| 00:00.04 | cluelessperson | Question, how can I further strip down debian? |
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| 00:00.20 | cluelessperson | what files can I safely remove? things can I safely uninstall to get this as barebones as possible? |
| 00:01.03 | nkuttler | cluelessperson: debfoster |
| 00:01.42 | cluelessperson | nkuttler, I'm not sure that's enough |
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| 00:02.32 | notmentor | cluelessperson, What are you trying to achieve by "stripping down"? |
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| 00:03.35 | cluelessperson | notmentor, removing all files that aren't required. |
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| 00:04.05 | koollman | cluelessperson: compare to the list of package in a minimal 'debootstrap' run (as in : debootstrap --variant=minbase) |
| 00:04.13 | cluelessperson | notmentor, All I want is Python2.7, GPG, Electrum. Nothing else |
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| 00:05.05 | cluelessperson | koollman, debootstrap --variant=minbase will give me the very base install? :) |
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| 00:06.26 | koollman | it makes a directory with a very base debian install. (debootstrap is useful for various reason like making containers or your own install system. or to find out how small you may try to get with debian) |
| 00:06.39 | koollman | one can probably go further ... but it's a very decent start |
| 00:07.00 | koollman | although if you really need minimalistic installation, debian may not be the best choice |
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| 00:07.41 | notmentor | cluelessperson, Yes, but why? |
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| 00:08.10 | cluelessperson | notmentor, security utility machine |
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| 00:09.05 | free_speech | as already mentioned by someone else, debian is not the distribution that you want. |
| 00:09.17 | notmentor | cluelessperson, Is it going to be connected to a network? |
| 00:11.31 | markybob | cluelessperson, if you want really small...maybe http://www.alpinelinux.org/ is what you're looking for. |
| 00:11.50 | nkuttler | or kali or tails, not sure what you mean by security |
| 00:12.00 | notmentor | cluelessperson, So, you're not looking for small, you're looking minimise code surface area? |
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| 00:12.22 | notmentor | cluelessperson, As such, there's no point going around deleting arbitrary files, and compressing data? |
| 00:13.34 | cluelessperson | notmentor, both |
| 00:14.09 | notmentor | cluelessperson, Both? |
| 00:14.11 | markybob | cluelessperson, then i'm pretty sure i answered your question |
| 00:14.59 | markybob | cluelessperson, it's also offtopic |
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| 00:16.01 | notmentor | markybob, It is not appropriate to declare something offtopic just because you don't want to deal with it |
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| 00:16.25 | markybob | notmentor, it's not a debian-related question. and i did answer it. so did others. |
| 00:16.52 | notmentor | markybob, He's asking about Debian |
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| 00:18.52 | ddssA | someone telling me go messure it out inch by inch drip by drip keeps saying "you ar.ed already you already a.r.ed" whats that mean? |
| 00:19.17 | ddssA | . |
| 00:19.29 | notmentor | ddssA, Is this a Debian-related query? |
| 00:19.47 | markybob | heh |
| 00:19.59 | ddssA | i was using it yes |
| 00:20.18 | markybob | notmentor, you don't want to deal with it? |
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| 00:20.32 | ddssA | is a.r. a Linix thinng or harassmsnt thing? |
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| 00:20.48 | notmentor | markybob, My tolerance for the asinine is low right now |
| 00:21.09 | ddssA | no its not asinine |
| 00:21.20 | markybob | notmentor, so you can keep your comments to yourself |
| 00:21.39 | notmentor | markybob, I was informing you of the official policy of the channel |
| 00:21.43 | xof1s | hi, pls what source of AMI is better to use? By aws-marketplace or by community(https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image/Jessie)? (can't send message to #aws nor #ec2, it is reason why I dont ask on those:\ ) |
| 00:21.48 | notmentor | markybob, It's a directive, not a comment |
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| 00:24.08 | Riv_Away | Looking for some help with Wheezy LVM. |
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| 00:25.46 | Riverside | Running Wheezy - Trying to add space to / (Which is LVM) . Added disk space in VMWare to the system but can't figure out how to get it to use it |
| 00:26.12 | mentor | Riverside, You have to enlarge the partition/volume and also the filesystem |
| 00:27.23 | Riverside | That's what I'm struggling with . |
| 00:27.25 | markybob | Riverside, for a useful answer try http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/resize-your-disks-on-the-fly-with-lvm |
| 00:27.46 | Riverside | reading it now. |
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| 00:29.24 | Riverside | Dispite what I've tried before the unallocated space couldn't be added to the volume group. I can add /dev/sdb which is another partition to the Logical volume. then extend it. But that's not what I need. |
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| 00:29.43 | Riverside | I need the unused space on /dev/sda to be used in the volume group |
| 00:29.45 | mentor | Riverside, Why not? |
| 00:29.56 | free_speech | are there any more differences between ice{weasel,dove} and the mozilla origins or is it just about product names and logos? |
| 00:30.07 | mentor | Riverside, Have you told LVM about the new space on the physical device? |
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| 00:30.29 | ddssA | so is there a.r.ing? |
| 00:30.29 | Riverside | not sure how to do that. |
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| 00:30.58 | mentor | free_speech, I don't believe there are any significant other changes, although you could check the changelog and/or debian patches |
| 00:31.21 | PryMar56 | anyone running Stretch notice the bug in lvm2-pvscan@.service & lvm2-lvmetad.socket? |
| 00:31.24 | mentor | Riverside, What method do you normally use to admin LVM? |
| 00:31.24 | markybob | ddssA, no |
| 00:31.38 | ddssA | thanks |
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| 00:31.50 | Riverside | mentor, either lvm from the prompt or system-config-lvm |
| 00:32.34 | Riverside | There is a weird setup. some sort of mirroring on the root partition. but the second mirror has swap on it. |
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| 00:33.13 | mentor | Riverside, You can use, for example, pvresize to resize a physical volume. Once you do that, you'll then have to deal with the logical volume and filesystem |
| 00:33.25 | mentor | Riverside, I suggest you understand it before continuing further |
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| 00:38.41 | Riverside | It's not letting me create a new logical partition with the space because I have 4 primary partitions. |
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| 00:39.23 | LambdaComplex | Riverside: welcome to mbr |
| 00:39.37 | markybob | Riverside, yes. mbr layout has 4 limit |
| 00:39.42 | mentor | Riverside, BIOS DOS label logical partitions are nothing to do with LVM |
| 00:40.09 | Riverside | I got stuck with this system. Trying to undo it's madness. |
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| 00:45.37 | Riverside | There is no free PE to reszie to |
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| 00:45.48 | Riverside | I can't figure out how to add that extra disk space in |
| 00:46.10 | mentor | Have you added the new physical space to LVM? |
| 00:46.35 | Riverside | That's what I'm struggling to do. |
| 00:46.44 | Riverside | I tried pvresize |
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| 00:46.56 | Riverside | but I'm not sure what I need to do to add it to the pool |
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| 00:47.03 | johnny__ | hello |
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| 00:48.17 | lmw | Hi |
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| 00:49.32 | mentor | Riverside, Which device is the new space in? |
| 00:49.50 | johnny__ | someone know about i2p irc |
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| 00:49.52 | Riverside | mentor, /dev/sda |
| 00:49.55 | johnny__ | how to use |
| 00:50.21 | mentor | Riverside, Which disk partition is it in? |
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| 01:09.51 | q_bert_ | hello, i'm wondering how to make my debian box use serial for output as early in boot as possible |
| 01:10.12 | q_bert_ | i think it's something i have to do in the bootloader but im not totally sure |
| 01:10.25 | q_bert_ | i'd like to see dmesg and whatnot and then go into a terminal |
| 01:10.34 | q_bert_ | i currently have ttyS0 set up as a terminal |
| 01:10.45 | artag | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/serial-console.txt |
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| 01:11.37 | q_bert_ | thanks artag |
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| 01:12.29 | q_bert_ | lol that doc is super old, it talks about LILO |
| 01:12.38 | q_bert_ | but the kernel options still apply |
| 01:12.54 | SuperTramp83 | hi. I just searched the main repo for rkhunter but it's not there? Also chkrootkit. Can someone confirm this? |
| 01:13.21 | SuperTramp83 | I'm on stable |
| 01:13.36 | artag | yeah, should still be true, would be worth trying with a stock kernal rather than rebuilding as well |
| 01:13.54 | q_bert_ | yeah im sure it's built in these days |
| 01:14.16 | q_bert_ | this is a really old debian machine i havent used in a long time, it's actually got a busted boot process |
| 01:14.45 | q_bert_ | instead of booting properly it stops and gives some tty error and offers to go into single user, but if i just send ^D it continues boot |
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| 01:18.16 | incal | enscript file says 'lpr: Error - scheduler not responding.' |
| 01:18.34 | oneand0 | SuperTramp83: on one of my containers with jessie, shows for me ? |
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| 01:19.12 | awal1 | Sometimes shutting down my system (reboot or poweroff) lates because of X service that doesn't finish, so I see a systemd message "...a job is running...". Where those messages are stored exactly? How can I access to them? |
| 01:19.20 | q_bert_ | do i have to run a command after editing grub.cfg? i think i used to do something like that |
| 01:19.27 | q_bert_ | but i dont have any grub-reinstall command |
| 01:19.28 | awal1 | Or first I must do what is said here https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/#index2h1? |
| 01:19.53 | q_bert_ | this box has no monitor so i only get one shot before having to move it and hook up a display :D |
| 01:20.00 | incal | or: what other ways are there to do text -> PostScript (or PDF)? |
| 01:20.14 | SuperTramp83 | oneand0: that's strange, I did and apt update (twice) and aptitude search and synaptic give me nothing for rkhunter and chkrootkit, also tried seveeral servers and yet no result |
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| 01:21.37 | awal1 | ,v rkhunter chkrootkit |
| 01:21.38 | judd | Package: rkhunter on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.6-4; squeeze-backports: 1.3.8-10~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.4.0-1; jessie: 1.4.2-0.4; sid: 1.4.2-5; stretch: 1.4.2-5 |
| 01:21.53 | awal1 | ,v chkrootkit |
| 01:21.54 | judd | Package: chkrootkit on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.49-4; squeeze-security-lts: 0.49-4+deb6u1; wheezy-security: 0.49-4.1+deb7u2; wheezy: 0.49-4.1+deb7u2; jessie: 0.50-3; stretch: 0.50-3.2; sid: 0.50-3.2 |
| 01:22.24 | awal1 | SuperTramp83, ^ |
| 01:23.21 | q_bert_ | awesome it's working, dmesg in serial |
| 01:24.43 | artag | \o/ |
| 01:25.04 | q_bert_ | thx artag |
| 01:25.15 | q_bert_ | here's my error btw that keeps the server from boot up by itsle |
| 01:25.16 | q_bert_ | itself |
| 01:25.32 | q_bert_ | /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 01:25.42 | q_bert_ | it stops there, but if i send ^D it continues no problem |
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| 01:25.51 | q_bert_ | i tried months ago to troubleshoot it, no luck |
| 01:26.39 | artag | can't help there i'm afraid. I vaguely no what it means but have no clue why it would care |
| 01:26.49 | artag | *know |
| 01:27.56 | q_bert_ | yeah |
| 01:28.01 | q_bert_ | it's a bizarre problem that arose out of nothing |
| 01:28.10 | q_bert_ | all i did was move the machine from one country to another and when it came up it had this problem |
| 01:28.17 | q_bert_ | and i really dont feel like reinstalling the operating system |
| 01:28.34 | q_bert_ | now that i have serial terminal i can just do ^D remotely, it was super annoying to have to keep a kb connected |
| 01:30.05 | q_bert_ | damn i love linux |
| 01:30.16 | q_bert_ | feeling pumped now |
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| 01:38.41 | Pazzo | Hi all! Could anyone point me to the policy/guideline stating that Debian maintainers are not allowed to follow upstream patch releases within a Debian stable release but are forced to only cherry-pick fixes for security issues? |
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| 01:39.15 | mentor | Pazzo, The only way into stable is as a security update or via a point release |
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| 01:40.14 | mentor | Pazzo, Security updates only change that which is relevant to the security issue being resolved |
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| 01:42.41 | Pazzo | mentor, that sounds reasonable. But why do I then again and again meet packages not following point releases but cherry-picking only security/CVE patches from upstream point releases over years? They make it nearly impossible to write software detecting/blacklisting buggy libraries in an OS-independenty way as they are basically lying about the available version |
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| 01:42.54 | karlpinc | q_bert: That looks like an interesting problem. Out of curiosity, is your hardware clock in utc? |
| 01:43.15 | nevyn | https://www.debian.org/security/faq#policy |
| 01:43.56 | mentor | Pazzo, A point release of stable, not the upstream software, that is |
| 01:44.01 | Pazzo | nevyn: security.debian.org is fine, that's for security issues only |
| 01:44.06 | nevyn | Pazzo: following the point release isn't compulsory. if the dd doesn't think that the new version is waranted |
| 01:44.29 | karlpinc | Pazzo: The whole point is to not change. Because new features introduce new problems, and new security holes. (e.g. Heartbleed) So, do the minimum. Just backport security fixes. |
| 01:44.53 | Pazzo | nevyn: so there is no policy, it's the dd's personal choice? |
| 01:45.02 | nevyn | https://release.debian.org/ |
| 01:45.16 | nevyn | Pazzo: well no the policy is 'important' bugs + security |
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| 01:45.47 | nevyn | so if you had an important bug that was resolved by a updated upstream release you could put it in a point release. |
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| 01:46.18 | Pazzo | karlpinc: absolutely makes sense. But Debian releases are there for some time, security fixes are often done in a hassle and introduce new bugs. Fixes for those bugs may be available in new point releases, but as they are not security relevant, they do not find their way into Debian |
| 01:46.33 | nevyn | correct |
| 01:46.36 | Pazzo | nevyn: ok, makes sense |
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| 01:46.50 | mentor | Point releases typically have only have 10s of packages in them |
| 01:46.57 | nevyn | but I want new shiny features... is a wishlist bug |
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| 01:47.03 | nevyn | not an an important bug |
| 01:47.27 | mentor | Pazzo, This is the defining characteristic of stable |
| 01:47.39 | mentor | Pazzo, If you don't want to use stable, don't. |
| 01:48.17 | free_speech | uses testing |
| 01:49.43 | Pazzo | nevyn: "I'm using perl/php/ruby library 2.3.x, Debian ships 2.3.3 from 2014, we are at 2.3.21 in the meantime, upstream is strict about not introducing new features in point releases". 2.3.8 fixed a security issue, that one has been backported, introduced new problems, fixed later on in 2.3.12, will not make it into Debian without long discussions on bugs.debian.org |
| 01:50.25 | nevyn | ugh fast/slow |
| 01:51.47 | nevyn | so the security fix regressed functionality? |
| 01:51.55 | Pazzo | Yep |
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| 01:53.20 | nevyn | so. if it's broken then that can rate as important. (a regression I'd consider important) "important |
| 01:53.23 | nevyn | a bug which has a major effect on the usability of a package, without rendering it completely unusable to everyone. " |
| 01:53.41 | Pazzo | I recently stumbled over one that not only regressed functionality but also corrupts data. But I do not have a real problem with that specific bug, that's something I can argue and easily settle on bugs.debian.org. I'm here as I'm curious about the whole process and about what the maintainer is allowed to do and what not |
| 01:54.08 | nevyn | the maintainer/dd is lord of their domain. |
| 01:54.12 | nevyn | mostly |
| 01:54.20 | nevyn | so quoting policy goes only so far. |
| 01:55.08 | nevyn | and they may well say that the regression is reasonable in that the functionality was unsafe and it's better to remove it than introduce a new version with potential new bugs |
| 01:55.40 | nevyn | it really depends on the nature of the regression and how core to the functionality of the package it is. |
| 01:56.04 | Pazzo | nevyn: ok, so if I'm talking about a library that gets no new features as of upstream policies but is still supported, has no EOL date, gets only fixes for bugs and of course security issues -> would it be ok if the packager would decide to keep up with upstream point releases, of course examining the changes of each of them? |
| 01:56.17 | nevyn | nope |
| 01:56.28 | nevyn | not without bugs in the bts for each pointrelease |
| 01:56.36 | nevyn | and going through the pointrelease process in debian |
| 01:56.57 | Pazzo | Is a bug saying "hey, there is a new point release with fixes" enough? |
| 01:57.21 | nevyn | so. it's really upto the maintainer |
| 01:57.27 | nevyn | and how they want to manage it. |
| 01:57.47 | mentor | Isn't it up to the release managers what gets into stable? |
| 01:58.16 | Pazzo | mentor: do not get me wrong on this, I'm perfectly aware of the advantages and drawbacks of "using stable". I write software supporting a broad range of OS releases, including RHEL 5.x,6.x and 7.x, Debian Wheezy/Squeeze/Jessie, Solaris and so on. I encounter bugs in libraries, that's human, that happens. I have to deal with them, I have to detect them. Distros are lying to me, and Debian is lying a lot. I cannot trust point release version num |
| 01:58.16 | Pazzo | bers, I'm always forced to do a lot of ugly magic to find out what I'm running on |
| 01:59.13 | Pazzo | (and I try VERY hard to have as few dependencies as possible) |
| 01:59.13 | mentor | Pazzo, What do you mean lying to you? |
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| 01:59.48 | Pazzo | mentor: telling me to be at version 2.3.3 from 2014 while shipping bugs from late 2015 fixed in early 2016 or so |
| 02:00.09 | Pazzo | (bugs introduced with security issues) |
| 02:00.27 | nevyn | mentor: problem is security fix was backported into debian regressing functionality that's depended on |
| 02:00.34 | Pazzo | As mentioned above, nothing I couln't settle on bugs.debian.org |
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| 02:02.02 | mentor | I'm slightly skeptical, but if this is happening a lot, you might want to mention this directly to the security team, who prepare the security updates |
| 02:02.22 | Pazzo | It's just, the process makes it hard to figure out. In the problem I recently encountered it would have meant that I found an upstream bug introduced with a recent security fix, a severe bug (for me), corrupting binary data. I could have blacklisted the to affected minor versions, and still miss the fact that Debian silently introduced the same bug in a point release |
| 02:02.42 | nevyn | no. |
| 02:02.48 | Pazzo | I too would never blindly follow each upstream point release |
| 02:02.50 | nevyn | in a security fix. which are asyncronous |
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| 02:04.02 | Pazzo | But in the given scenario the sad thing was that this upstream library is handled in a very conservative way, as upstream has advanced their major version long time ago, all they ship for the version in Jessie (and Squeeze) are bug- and security fixes |
| 02:04.42 | nevyn | Pazzo: debian doesn't trust projects to do that correctly (in general) |
| 02:04.55 | Pazzo | nevyn: and that's good so |
| 02:05.09 | Pazzo | (in general) |
| 02:05.13 | nevyn | Pazzo: or have differing definition of what constitutes a security fix fs a feature upgrade |
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| 02:07.00 | Pazzo | Well, the problem with framework packages is that they are supported over a long time, ship lots of functionality in a single package, lots of files with little bugs, many of them get fixed over the years, no new features per upstream policy... so why keep all the bugs since two years ago? |
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| 02:09.02 | Pazzo | In the given example upstream advanced their major version long time ago, next major is around the corner, last feature release of the oldest major is in Jessie, upstream ships only bugfixes since a very long time and will continue to do so as long as community insists on writing software based on that (old) release (as new versions are basically a different product) |
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| 02:10.35 | Pazzo | Does it make sense for me to try to suggest the maintainer to change his mind about this package and keep up with upstream point releases, as it would make life a lot easier for him? Or would that discussion be a waste of time? |
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| 02:10.52 | Pazzo | (I guess that's what I'm REALLY trying to find out) |
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| 02:11.01 | nevyn | so it's certainly worth filing a bug on the functionality regression |
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| 02:12.30 | nevyn | the larger meta 'you should just track the upstream point releases as they're only stabilisation/security' idea... you could have the discussion but it'd depend on the maintainer. and remember you're asking them make a serious push to the release manager that this is a reasonable thing to do |
| 02:12.56 | nevyn | which will likely face significant resistance |
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| 02:14.23 | Pazzo | nevyn: guess so, thank you |
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| 02:16.18 | Pazzo | We could basically have had a similar discussion for openssl 1.0.1k :D But that's a completely different beast, my case has very few dependencies in Debian, a very careful upstream - and it's a scripting library |
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| 02:16.50 | Pazzo | Thanks a lot for your time! |
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| 04:15.09 | simonlnu | um, umount it (/proc)? |
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| 04:31.11 | awal1 | Any clue on how to disable html5 videos from playing without addons? for adobe flash content I have set 'ask to activate' in prefs What about html5? Seems that 'media.autoplay.enable' set to 'false' doesn't work with youtube |
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| 04:44.40 | cluelessperson_ | hm |
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| 04:45.46 | jolie | hi |
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| 04:57.12 | jeep | cluelessperson_: get a livecd made? |
| 04:57.49 | cluelessperson_ | jeep, Yes. :) it works. 410 MB |
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| 04:58.03 | jeep | cluelessperson_: nice |
| 04:58.15 | cluelessperson_ | jeep, Do you know how to make it automatically login a user, and to load to RAM rather than running from USB? :) |
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| 05:09.06 | cluelessperson_ | Question, how do you have debian auto login for a user? |
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| 05:15.22 | LambdaComplex | cluelessperson_: with or without a password? |
| 05:16.07 | LambdaComplex | s/password/username/ |
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| 05:17.20 | LambdaComplex | cluelessperson_: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/automatic_login_to_virtual_console |
| 05:17.20 | LambdaComplex | that might help |
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| 05:19.11 | cluelessperson_ | LambdaComplex, with password |
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| 05:19.54 | LambdaComplex | cluelessperson_: i meant to say username |
| 05:20.10 | LambdaComplex | technically you could just delete the password with `passwd -d` but that's probably a bad idea |
| 05:20.34 | LambdaComplex | so configuring getty to do auto login is probably what you want |
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| 05:31.44 | vectory | hi! Just to be clear, iceweasel on wheezy (oldstable) is 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2 and will remain that, while stable is deb8u2 already? |
| 05:33.34 | cluelessperson_ | Does anyone know how to configure isolinux to boot with a ram disk? |
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| 05:38.51 | jeep | cluelessperson_: the grub settings pass toram as a option |
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| 05:39.56 | cluelessperson_ | jeep, I believe I'm using the isolinux config here. https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/how-to-build-a-debian-livecd/ |
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| 05:40.10 | cluelessperson_ | jeep, I'm not sure how to alter it to load to ram with your suggestion |
| 05:40.23 | cluelessperson_ | jeep, I don't think that's grub? I don't know what I'm doing at thie point. :) |
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| 05:43.51 | jeep | cluelessperson_: scroll down a bit this link has the toram option |
| 05:43.58 | jeep | cluelessperson_: http://www.ziviani.net/2013/customized-livedvd-liveusb |
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| 05:52.42 | walking | 3~3~ |
| 05:52.52 | walking | oops |
| 05:53.07 | cluelessperson_ | jeep, WOOT 270MB |
| 05:54.21 | walking | odd, is cluelessperson a bot ? what does it do ? |
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| 05:55.59 | walking | uh ok, wrong context. sorry. :-D |
| 05:56.36 | LambdaComplex | ouch, failing the turing test and he's not even a bot |
| 05:56.38 | LambdaComplex | that's gotta hurt |
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| 06:00.37 | cluelessperson_ | jeep, I haven't been able to regain myself |
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| 06:01.19 | cluelessperson_ | jeep, Anyway, I'm trying to ... bastardize that configuration and I'm getting the boot error "Could not find kernel image: /isolinux/vmlinuz" |
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| 06:03.13 | madmattco | when exactly did the kernel devs get all clever with error messages? |
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| 06:03.49 | nevyn | sometime after people beat them up for 'lp0 on fire' |
| 06:03.58 | madmattco | http://puu.sh/n3Gxu/8d9a964506.png |
| 06:04.02 | madmattco | never seen this crap before |
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| 06:04.24 | meth | windows sucks |
| 06:04.39 | nevyn | oh I've seen that |
| 06:04.49 | nevyn | particularly on hardware with odd NMI configs |
| 06:04.58 | nevyn | HP hardware I saw this a bit. |
| 06:05.01 | madmattco | its a supermicro |
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| 06:05.28 | madmattco | x8dah+ to be precise |
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| 06:07.51 | nevyn | if you can take the downtime run a full memory scan (often these are parity errors or ECC errors) |
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| 06:08.40 | madmattco | if im getting ecc errors using ecc memory, thats indicative of a bad module isnt it |
| 06:08.49 | nevyn | yep |
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| 06:09.29 | madmattco | if that were true, this will make the second server from mr rackables that has gone bad. first one, i can only boot after i reboot the bmc |
| 06:09.31 | cluelessperson_ | jeep, IT WORKS :D |
| 06:10.36 | cluelessperson_ | Now to disable firmware load |
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| 06:12.06 | nevyn | madmattco: bad ecc happens |
| 06:12.17 | nevyn | madmattco: the thing about ecc is you can detect it |
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| 06:21.37 | jhl_ | I'm running stretch and wondering if there is an easy way to change the names of the default directories included in every new home dir. For example, instead of "Documents", I want "documents" and I want all programs that would normally recognize Documents as the default directory to store files to now recognize documents as the default directory. |
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| 06:26.17 | akaWolf | hi guys how to install xserver to Debian? I run «apt-get install xserver-xorg-core», but «bash: startx: command not found» |
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| 06:30.17 | zykotick9 | akaWolf: startx is in the "xinit" package... |
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| 06:33.05 | jerk_ | does anyone know if there is documentation outlining a method to allow bluetooth file transfer to a folder such as ~/Downloads? I think i need to set some kind of permission on the folder to allow the bluetooth device in my debian box to write to it. |
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| 06:37.11 | akaWolf | zykotick9: thanks. how can I run just a s xerver session? |
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| 06:38.36 | zykotick9 | akaWolf: i'm not sure what you mean? install xinit then try startx... |
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| 06:43.43 | quazimodo | guys |
| 06:43.50 | quazimodo | what is /etc/init for? |
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| 06:44.01 | quazimodo | I noticed the debian machine i'm on doesn't have Upstart installed |
| 06:44.09 | quazimodo | but there are a lot of files in /etc/init |
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| 06:45.42 | akaWolf | zykotick9: I dont want to run x client... |
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| 06:48.40 | bazhang | akaWolf, trying startx means you do want the GUI |
| 06:49.13 | akaWolf | bazhang: how can I star X server only? |
| 06:49.15 | akaWolf | t |
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| 06:49.43 | bazhang | akaWolf, thats the GUI |
| 06:50.02 | bazhang | what do you mean 'only' |
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| 06:50.34 | akaWolf | bazhang: well X is an server-client architecture. startx starts both: server and clients |
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| 06:50.53 | akaWolf | how can I start server only |
| 06:51.09 | bazhang | akaWolf, thas silly and wrong |
| 06:51.26 | bazhang | try another channel to play in akaWolf |
| 06:51.51 | akaWolf | I'm not playing ;P |
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| 06:54.48 | beepie | akaWolf, maybe if you ask what packages/tools you're trying to use that might help people understand what you're realling asking |
| 06:55.34 | akaWolf | beepie: I'm trying https://github.com/linux-sunxi/libvdpau-sunxi at A20 board |
| 06:55.54 | akaWolf | at debian distributive |
| 06:56.30 | akaWolf | but «[vo/vdpau/x11] couldn't open the X11 display ()!» |
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| 06:57.13 | beepie | akaWolf, "This partly breaks X11 integration due to hardware limitations." |
| 06:57.23 | beepie | akaWolf, I suppose you're on your own homework unfortunately |
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| 06:58.26 | akaWolf | beepie: yeah that's why I'm asking about basic things :) |
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| 07:00.59 | beepie | akaWolf, you should be asking on that project mailing list.. |
| 07:01.07 | beepie | akaWolf, it's an upstream issue |
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| 07:02.19 | zykotick9 | akaWolf: just so you're clear... mpv needs a running xorg session to work! ie. you need to install all of xorg and have it working, for mpv to have a chance at working. best of luck. |
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| 07:07.28 | akaWolf | zykotick9: well thanks |
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| 07:12.59 | Filystyn | HELLO |
| 07:13.05 | Filystyn | i need termianl history |
| 07:13.07 | Filystyn | where |
| 07:13.09 | Filystyn | tell me |
| 07:13.11 | Filystyn | ANYONE!? |
| 07:13.59 | tjcarter | ... .bash_history? |
| 07:14.19 | Filystyn | where? |
| 07:14.24 | Filystyn | ~/. ? |
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| 07:14.48 | Filystyn | ~/. ?WHERE is it? |
| 07:14.49 | apt | Filystyn: okay |
| 07:15.16 | tjcarter | ~ |
| 07:15.47 | Filystyn | i do not have it |
| 07:15.50 | Filystyn | MORE help plz |
| 07:16.03 | tjcarter | it's only written when you exit the terminal |
| 07:16.15 | Filystyn | how do i enter' |
| 07:16.19 | Filystyn | where is it |
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| 07:17.41 | tjcarter | you haven't given enough information to help you, honestly. And frankly, your demands for IMMEDIATE answers are really making me not that interested in trying to wait for you to explain what your problem is exactly. |
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| 07:18.12 | tjcarter | the file is written when the bash shell exits. Command history can be reviewed in the current shell by pressing the up arrow |
| 07:18.23 | tjcarter | OUTPUT history ... depends on your terminal |
| 07:18.50 | tjcarter | the console has no scrollback. Screen and tmux do. X-based terminals have scrollbacks. |
| 07:20.13 | Filystyn | i need history from yesterday |
| 07:20.17 | Filystyn | not commands |
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| 07:20.53 | tjcarter | If you've closed the window yesterday, you're out of luck |
| 07:21.04 | Filystyn | you get me back this data |
| 07:21.23 | tjcarter | You go stick it. |
| 07:21.31 | Filystyn | :) thx for help |
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| 07:39.13 | aZz7eCh | Can any of you guys lend a few mins to help me with my audio? I am trying to reinstall/re set up my linux... but this sound business is doign my head in. If i go to "All Settings > Sound", I can click "test left / test right" and hear it perfectly fine. Yet no program, nor gnome, expresses any sounds what so ever. Sliding the volume control gives no beep or indication you have slid it other than visually. |
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| 08:15.52 | aZz7eCh | good god... why, when i run the command "speaker-test" and exit it... does sound start working ???? |
| 08:16.18 | aZz7eCh | once i have run "speaker-test" i then immediately have sounds in gnome/programs |
| 08:16.37 | aZz7eCh | .... for what possible reason is this insanity |
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| 08:19.55 | Dex-Freudii | ? |
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| 08:29.21 | darxmurf | huh, a user just presses the power button during an apt-get dist-upgrade \o/ |
| 08:29.25 | darxmurf | pressed |
| 08:29.59 | darxmurf | the machine restarted Oo and I can continue the upgrade |
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| 08:32.35 | aZz7eCh | Sound Problem continued: so tryign to work out why my audio suddenly WORKS after i run "speaker-test" from terminal (as user not root) ... that i may not be a user in the audio group? i've just tried to add myself as a user but it says i'm already in the audio group. can anyone point to why on EARTH running "speaker-test" is the only way to make my audio work ? |
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| 08:33.01 | aZz7eCh | reboot of course - goes back to not working |
| 08:33.03 | aZz7eCh | rinse repeat |
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| 08:34.23 | Filystyn | draxmurf shoudl he not press it? |
| 08:34.45 | darxmurf | nop |
| 08:35.03 | acecile | hi guys, any one around feeling confortable with pybuild ? |
| 08:35.53 | acecile | I have an issue: no files are installed for python3 and actually I don't see dehelper calling setup.py with python3 so I'm wondering how it's supposed to work |
| 08:36.15 | acecile | (brand new package, generated with dh_make a few minutes ago) |
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| 08:36.35 | darxmurf | Filystyn: who should press the power button during a dist-upgrade ?! |
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| 08:40.17 | Filystyn | i lost 2 accounts because i closed a program in terminal in yesterday |
| 08:40.26 | Filystyn | i mean termianl with runnign shit |
| 08:40.33 | Filystyn | im so unhappy |
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| 08:41.29 | Filystyn | termianl should save data that is passed thu it |
| 08:41.32 | Filystyn | at leats last 10k chars |
| 08:41.38 | Filystyn | not commands kurwa! |
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| 08:58.09 | Filystyn | HELO |
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| 08:58.13 | Filystyn | new problem |
| 08:58.20 | Filystyn | wanted to try out some basic free vpn |
| 08:58.24 | Filystyn | ADVICES |
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| 08:58.28 | Filystyn | needed |
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| 08:59.01 | Filystyn | i want to run FREE VPN on LINUX |
| 08:59.04 | Filystyn | halp HALP ME |
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| 08:59.29 | Filystyn | use it i mean i want to use it and see how it werks |
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| 08:59.48 | SPF | !tell Filystyn about vpn |
| 08:59.54 | chatango | Hi i intaled docker a got a few images. then i instaled vbox and docker machine and i cant fing my old images. any idea what hapened to the images? |
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| 09:00.21 | chatango | cant find |
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| 09:00.52 | Filystyn | SPF this is not enought |
| 09:00.59 | SPF | Filystyn: openvpn is most commonly used |
| 09:01.04 | Filystyn | better |
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| 09:01.50 | aZz7eCh | 24 horus at this in 2.5 more hours... still this audio bullshit ... over it |
| 09:02.07 | aZz7eCh | how the F can debian be so nice at evertyhign - cept something so dumb and simple as this crap costing me a day |
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| 09:02.38 | aZz7eCh | hwo can there be 20,000,000 google links on FIXING DEBIAN SOUND and NOT ONE has ANYTHIGN to do with mine or is the answer to mine |
| 09:03.06 | Filystyn | SPF i have installe dit |
| 09:03.14 | Filystyn | what should be my next step |
| 09:03.18 | aZz7eCh | solid month i've made debian work ... screw my install yesterday - spend now a solid 24 hours JUST TRYING TO GET "SOUND" TO WORK |
| 09:03.19 | aZz7eCh | god |
| 09:03.24 | Filystyn | G* |
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| 09:03.50 | Filystyn | We write god from capital letter aZz7eCh |
| 09:03.53 | Filystyn | GGGGG |
| 09:03.55 | cra1g321 | aZz7eCh, you "screwed your install" now you're wondering why thing dont work ? |
| 09:03.55 | Filystyn | God |
| 09:04.08 | cra1g321 | things* |
| 09:04.10 | aZz7eCh | oop sorry Filystyn my bad |
| 09:04.14 | Filystyn | no problem |
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| 09:04.34 | aZz7eCh | cra1g321 what has screwing my install after my first month at it, got to do with this fresh install? |
| 09:04.41 | Filystyn | SPF next step! |
| 09:05.12 | cra1g321 | aZz7eCh, didnt realise you were talking about a fresh install, post in the forums maybe |
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| 09:05.34 | cra1g321 | ranting about here wont help |
| 09:06.58 | quazimodo | For the life of me I can't get nginx to get requests from external on my server |
| 09:07.02 | quazimodo | O_O |
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| 09:07.22 | quazimodo | iptables doesn't seem to have any rules not allowing requests on 80 in |
| 09:07.36 | aZz7eCh | o0 yer cra1g321 i hang in this chan as a last resort because i cant google - do you read at all ? |
| 09:07.44 | phale | Hello, my thinkpad x230 has a LED that turns on and off whenever data is being transferred. This really triggers me and makes me angry when I look at it, is there any way I can permanently turn that LED off? |
| 09:07.44 | aZz7eCh | or just troll ? |
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| 09:08.17 | phale | I'm using Debian 8 btw |
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| 09:09.13 | darxmurf | !tell Filystyn about valium |
| 09:09.59 | r6ku | phale: duck tape |
| 09:10.03 | cra1g321 | aZz7eCh, you just strike me as someone who rants about the issue and complains and expects the answer to suddenly appear. Post your issue on the forum and provide info about hardware |
| 09:10.10 | phale | r6ku: there's no other way? |
| 09:10.51 | sca | phale: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=160252 |
| 09:11.25 | Filystyn | i NEED HELP |
| 09:11.45 | phale | sca: that's the thinklight on top of it though |
| 09:11.50 | phale | im talking about the one on the middle of my thinkpad |
| 09:12.03 | aZz7eCh | cra1g321 then you haven't read anything i've typed int he past 2 hours obviously |
| 09:12.09 | aZz7eCh | crawl back in your hole. thanks. |
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| 09:13.44 | jelly | phale: which led are you talking about? |
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| 09:14.12 | aZz7eCh | jelly: his physical hdd led on his notebook :) |
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| 09:14.26 | phale | jelly: the one on the middle right of my thinkpad. It looks like a 3D ellipse with an arrow on it |
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| 09:14.51 | phale | http://cnet1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2012/05/30/2fb1ca40-67c3-11e3-a665-14feb5ca9861/thumbnail/770x433/06cfb389c709989a439c1e3df6a80ec1/05_Lenovo_Thinkpad_X230_35313302.jpg |
| 09:14.53 | jelly | phale: hdd or wifi or wired, it's not exactly clear. Can you point it out in a picture |
| 09:15.00 | phale | Yes, see this picture |
| 09:15.06 | phale | its on the middle of the thinkpad, the bottom middle |
| 09:15.14 | phale | right next to the wifi icon (the satelitte thing) |
| 09:15.22 | phale | triangle with waves going out of it |
| 09:15.27 | phale | then next to it is the LED i want off |
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| 09:15.41 | aZz7eCh | phale - put a small piece of tape over it :P |
| 09:15.48 | jelly | phale: that's wifi |
| 09:15.55 | phale | jelly: No, not that one |
| 09:15.58 | phale | the one next 2 it |
| 09:16.09 | aZz7eCh | the hdd led next to the wifi one |
| 09:16.15 | jelly | the cylinder one is the hdd led |
| 09:16.22 | aZz7eCh | thats the one he means |
| 09:16.22 | phale | yes that one |
| 09:16.25 | aZz7eCh | lol |
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| 09:16.48 | phale | putting a piece of tape wont help |
| 09:16.51 | jelly | phale: I don't know of a way to switch off that one, so yeah, a bit of tape will be your best bet |
| 09:16.51 | phale | i'll see the light through it |
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| 09:16.57 | aZz7eCh | phale - in a pc you can unplug the cable |
| 09:17.01 | aZz7eCh | phale - in a notebook, not as easy |
| 09:17.08 | phale | :( |
| 09:17.11 | phale | well that stinks |
| 09:17.17 | aZz7eCh | put tape/stickers over it |
| 09:17.24 | aZz7eCh | couple of layers to dull it out :P |
| 09:17.28 | phale | I guess I'll try that then |
| 09:17.39 | r6ku | I use black tape for all annoying LEDs, works just fine :/ |
| 09:17.45 | jelly | phale: you can try asking in ##ibmthinkpad if they have an idea |
| 09:17.46 | aZz7eCh | ahh better idea |
| 09:17.50 | phale | alright |
| 09:17.52 | phale | ill go there |
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| 09:19.29 | aricz_ | Hi, how do I add Code::blocks to debian with apt-get? |
| 09:20.27 | phale | Thanks for the support |
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| 09:20.44 | aricz_ | I tried adding "deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports jessie main contrib non-free" and "deb-src http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports jessie main non-free" but gives me this error: "W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/InRelease Unable to find expected entry 'jessie/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 09:20.50 | aricz_ | " |
| 09:21.01 | aricz_ | when I do apt-get update .. |
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| 09:21.29 | cra1g321 | aricz_ post your sources.list to paste.debian.net |
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| 09:23.46 | aricz_ | http://paste.debian.net/379892/ |
| 09:24.29 | aricz_ | that one's wrong.. |
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| 09:24.50 | cra1g321 | aricz_ see line 1, remove "jessie" |
| 09:25.14 | aricz_ | Hm ok |
| 09:25.27 | cra1g321 | then do apt-get update |
| 09:25.51 | cra1g321 | then to install codeblocks do: apt-get install -t jessie-backports codeblocks |
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| 09:27.09 | zykotick9 | would think a regular deb line for the main repo _might_ also be handy... ymmv |
| 09:27.17 | aricz_ | then I get this errormessage http://paste.debian.net/379895/ |
| 09:27.21 | aricz_ | at least I was able to update |
| 09:28.33 | cra1g321 | zykotick9, i agree :) |
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| 09:29.21 | cra1g321 | aricz_ you are missing a repo, add: deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ jessie main |
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| 09:30.25 | aricz_ | This is my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/379896/ |
| 09:30.28 | cra1g321 | oh wait you're also missing the main jessie-backports too |
| 09:31.05 | cra1g321 | oh wait it's there, you just didnt paste it the first time |
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| 09:33.11 | cra1g321 | aricz_, checking things now |
| 09:33.27 | aricz_ | thanks |
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| 09:33.41 | Janni | Hello. |
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| 09:33.51 | zamuro | To all sysadmins here, what would be the best cloud infraestructure schema for a data mining company? |
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| 09:35.29 | diamondsword | hello, I'm using debian 8 with gnome, I wanted to install and use xfce not gnome, I installed xfce with 'apt-get install xfce4' as the debian wiki says but when I restarted the pc I have no xfce. how can I activate/use xfce? |
| 09:36.16 | r6ku | diamondsword: there's an option in your login screen to change your default session to xfce |
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| 09:36.44 | r6ku | diamondsword: it's probably one of the icons |
| 09:36.54 | diamondsword | r6ku: I have looked for it but no I have not that option. |
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| 09:38.04 | cra1g321 | aricz_ use these sources http://paste.debian.net/379897/ |
| 09:38.07 | Janni | I'm confused about some inconsistency between the apt-repositories and my local database. I have this line in my /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free. Yet, after an aptitude update this package is nowhere to be found: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/linux-image-4.3.0-1-amd64. Instead I only get linux-image-3.16.0.4-amd64. Does anyone have an explanation? |
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| 09:40.14 | zykotick9 | Janni: fyi, you might get better support in #debian-next on the oftc network... are you sure using testing is what you want to do? best of luck. |
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| 09:41.26 | Janni | I've been using testing for years. I find it pretty stable. |
| 09:41.41 | zykotick9 | ok, just checkin' good luck. |
| 09:41.49 | Janni | But thanks anyway. |
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| 09:43.14 | diamondsword | I'll try again |
| 09:43.15 | aricz_ | cra1g321: Wow it worked, thank you for taking your time! \o/ |
| 09:43.25 | cra1g321 | no problem |
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| 09:43.58 | zykotick9 | Janni: that does look like the jessie kernel... |
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| 09:44.28 | jelly | Janni: "dpkg --print-architecture" says what on your system? |
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| 09:45.12 | Janni | Yep. That's it: i386 |
| 09:45.46 | Janni | I just realised what aptitude downloaded was Contents-i386.gz, not Contents-amd64.gz. |
| 09:45.55 | jelly | dpkg, tell Janni about multiarch |
| 09:46.28 | vectory_ | hi! Just to be clear, iceweasel on wheezy (oldstable) is 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2 and will remain that, while stable is deb8u2 already? so no security updates? |
| 09:46.30 | jelly | Janni: -amd64 flavors are only built for amd64 arch since stretch, not i386 |
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| 09:46.55 | Janni | OK, got it. Thanks. |
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| 09:47.52 | jelly | it's not too problematic to enable amd64 as foreign arch and grab them from there |
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| 09:48.12 | diamondsword | r6ku: it worked :D |
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| 09:48.25 | diamondsword | to say, xfce is WAY better than gnome |
| 09:48.29 | diamondsword | first impressions :P |
| 09:48.31 | jelly | Janni: take it as a strong hint to reinstall with amd64 arch! |
| 09:48.36 | diamondsword | very fast .. |
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| 09:48.44 | cluelessperson | debootstrap is amazing! :D |
| 09:48.50 | cluelessperson | I have a working RAM USB Live boot |
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| 09:50.08 | Janni | jelly: OK. I'm going to educate myself about the whole topic. |
| 09:50.30 | r6ku | diamondsword: if the default panel configuration looks weird to you, you can always configure to look like something else(e.g. windows xp style) by right clicking the panel and going to settings |
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| 09:52.30 | diamondsword | very good r6ku thank you thank you |
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| 09:54.50 | aZz7eCh | Q: thinking about getting no where, and my corrupted install on a still bootable drive, is it possible to reinstall jessie over the top without losing my existing data? haven |
| 09:55.03 | aZz7eCh | *havent wanted to try incase i end up losing the data off it |
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| 09:56.44 | aZz7eCh | or not likely without a dedicated /home part ? |
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| 10:13.29 | koollman | I just hit a very non-funny behaviour with mdadm in wheezy. the default data offset changed, but cannot be specified. so I cannot create a raid similar to another server I'm supposed to reattch to in drbd... |
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| 10:23.09 | deepy | is there any gui to control pulseaudio? after a reboot I've got no sound and I can't seem to figure out how to use it |
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| 10:25.15 | cra1g321 | deepy, pavucontrol is maybe what you're looking for |
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| 10:27.09 | deepy | cheers |
| 10:27.17 | cra1g321 | good luck |
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| 10:32.52 | tjcarter | aZz7eCh: It should be possible to install jessie on top, just be very careful with partitioning. |
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| 10:36.18 | Freidrich | hello , is someone using Powerline fonts here ? got a problem to display them . I installed fonts-powerline with apt |
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| 10:40.46 | NoCode | Does Debian Testing work well enough to use? |
| 10:41.11 | themill | that depends on your acceptance criteria |
| 10:41.54 | markybob | NoCode, never use it on a production machine |
| 10:43.48 | aZz7eCh | tjcarter: thanks. gives me another line of hope :P |
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| 10:44.39 | NoCode | A while back I had absolutely no problem with Squeeze(when it was in testing), it worked rather well. It's not in production. It's just a home computer I use everyday. |
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| 10:45.38 | markybob | NoCode, there's certainly problems that come with it. a couple of days ago vlc just stopped working. no more videos |
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| 10:46.04 | tiiv534342 | probably depends on what you're doing |
| 10:46.10 | r6ku | stable is good, unstable is probably okay, testing... just no |
| 10:46.17 | tiiv534342 | I've had my debian testing for more than 2 years nwo as my daily driver at work |
| 10:46.19 | tiiv534342 | no issues |
| 10:46.28 | Deepfriedice | This netbook is currently on testing. No major complaints. |
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| 10:47.01 | NoCode | Wouldn't unstable be worse off than testing? :P |
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| 10:47.22 | nevyn | no |
| 10:47.25 | nevyn | well it depends |
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| 10:47.40 | cra1g321 | testing is usually the last to get security updates |
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| 10:47.48 | nevyn | it has the advantage that it gets timely security fixes. which testing doesn't |
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| 10:54.49 | tjcarter | My current issue is that I kinda need xfce 4.12 on jessie. I may have to backport it. |
| 10:55.04 | markybob | tjcarter, that'll be fun |
| 10:55.07 | tjcarter | backporting a DE is usually not fun. |
| 10:55.24 | Iridos | apart from that, unstable is much worse off, because any bug that gets in hits it unfiltered... at least testing packages have survived in unstable without bug reports for some weeks |
| 10:55.27 | tjcarter | It shouldn't be too hard actually, but it's still rarely fun ;) |
| 10:55.49 | markybob | tjcarter, sarcasm. |
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| 10:56.00 | cra1g321 | imo testing should be used for "testing" nothing more |
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| 10:56.32 | cra1g321 | unless its a machine that does nothing work related or hold personal data |
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| 10:58.49 | aZz7eCh | cra1g321 |
| 10:59.02 | aZz7eCh | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=126995 hows that :) |
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| 11:00.14 | cra1g321 | 10/10 :D |
| 11:00.22 | cra1g321 | lets hope a guru responds to it |
| 11:00.27 | aZz7eCh | yes. |
| 11:00.35 | aZz7eCh | for my sake - and this pOS apple's |
| 11:00.43 | aZz7eCh | :P |
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| 11:05.44 | phre4k | I want to install a few hosts and change configuration files. Can I use a DEB for that? Depending on the needed packages and including the config files? |
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| 11:07.49 | sca | pavucontrol |
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| 11:08.26 | sca | @deepy pavucontrol is the package your looking for |
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| 11:09.06 | sca | @deepy could also be an alsa problem, in that case the package to install is alsmixer |
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| 11:17.44 | aZz7eCh | alsamixer* |
| 11:17.45 | pragomer_1 | hi. how can I mount a hdd-image in one line, e.g. mount -o ro, loop, offset=(63*512) myimage.dd /mnt |
| 11:17.51 | pragomer_1 | while 63*512 does not work ??? |
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| 11:26.54 | hillbicks_ | hey guys. why does the deb package for grep list the permissions for /usr/share/info as 755, but the actual permissions are 775. which programm is responsible for the differnce in permissions? does anybody know? |
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| 11:27.19 | hillbicks_ | grep and /usr/share/info are only examples, there are many more |
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| 11:28.43 | themill | hillbicks_: no, should be 0755 |
| 11:28.56 | markybob | it is here. -rw-r--r-- |
| 11:29.28 | hillbicks_ | i just installed the net iso for jessie, even without the essentials to check that. |
| 11:30.02 | hillbicks_ | only additional packages I installed are dlocate and openssh-server |
| 11:30.24 | hillbicks_ | ls -nd /usr/share/info gives: drwxrwxr-x |
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| 11:31.48 | themill | hillbicks_: precisely which image did you use? |
| 11:31.49 | hillbicks_ | I also checked the postinst control files for all packages that list /usr/share/info as a directory that is being used. I couldn't find any indication that an additional chmod is run on this directory |
| 11:32.16 | hillbicks_ | themill: debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 11:41.00 | hillbicks_ | ok, I installed it again just now in a VM, again without any adittional packages (not even standard system utilities) and /usr/share/info is 775 directly after install. |
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| 11:44.55 | hillbicks | i just want to understand how default permissions on debian are supposed to work, hopefully someone here can shed a light on the that :) |
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| 11:45.58 | Engys | themill, no idea if you remind on my qt/webkit problem .. it take some time to sort out the debian package that leave my qt/webkit program malfunctioning .. I found it -> ca-certification cause the problem with a Symantec Class 3 Secure Sever certification which works with the previous version of the ca-certification package without any problem |
| 11:46.29 | themill | ah |
| 11:46.53 | themill | hillbicks: they're supposed to be 0755 -- that's the entire story |
| 11:47.14 | hillbicks | yeah, i get that. but they're not. directly after install |
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| 11:47.35 | hillbicks | and I want to know the reason. |
| 11:48.00 | ewew | file a bug report. |
| 11:48.32 | hillbicks | ok, before I do that, one other question. |
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| 11:48.40 | bezaban | the files are 755, the directory is 775 here |
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| 11:50.04 | hillbicks | every dir that is listed in dpkg --content PACKAGE.deb that is already there BEFORE the installation of the package, will not be changed, unless it is explicitly changed in a pre/postinst file via chmod. is that assumption correct? |
| 11:50.32 | themill | I believe so |
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| 11:53.44 | hillbicks | bezaban: that's what I have also. yet, if you unpack the deb package for, let's say grep, the dir /usr/share/info has 755 as the permission |
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| 11:54.43 | hillbicks | so I guess there is a difference in how the permissions are set up during the install for that particular dir. |
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| 11:55.52 | tfisher | Do you have to compile from source every time you install software in Debian? |
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| 11:56.23 | cra1g321 | no |
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| 11:59.24 | Engys | themill, no stop they use a Thawte Certification for this part of their web application and this was removed from the ca-certification package |
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| 12:00.33 | Engys | themill, so everything fine .. I will put it in place |
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| 12:01.50 | themill | Engys: good to hear -- thanks for letting us know |
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| 12:03.21 | NoCode | Successful upgrade to testing. \o/ |
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| 12:03.56 | NoCode | Though, I had problems with rmmod nvidia because it was in use. I'm still unsure about that. |
| 12:04.19 | tfisher | nvidia has bad drivers for linux |
| 12:04.20 | themill | hillbicks: the bug appears to be in the sed package |
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| 12:06.11 | Engys | themill, with pleasure .. thanks for throwing an eye on me |
| 12:06.32 | hillbicks | themill: how come? do you have a link? |
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| 12:07.50 | hillbicks | ah, i see. info is listed as 775 in the sed package |
| 12:08.13 | hillbicks | and since it is part of the default installation |
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| 12:08.49 | themill | and fairly late in the installation |
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| 12:09.06 | themill | permissions for directories are first-come, first-served iirc |
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| 12:10.32 | hillbicks | so they will change if the package has different permissions than the existing dir/file before the installation of that package. interesting. |
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| 12:39.13 | triski | hi all |
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| 12:44.18 | Yorlik | Debian Stretch + XEN: xc: error: Could not open kernel image '/usr/lib/xen/boot/hvmloader' (2 = No such file or directory): Internal error ... Ideas? Should I compile from the XEN Git and install manually? |
| 12:44.31 | Yorlik | After doing an xl create ... |
| 12:45.16 | Yorlik | I have installed packages: grub-xen-bin grub-xen-host libptexenc1:amd64 libxen-4.6:amd64 libxenstore3.0:amd64 xen-hypervisor-4.6-amd64 xen-system-amd64 xen-tools xen-utils-4.6 xen-utils-common xenstore-utils xenwatch |
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| 12:48.36 | jelly | dpkg, tell Yorlik about debian-next |
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| 12:49.07 | Yorlik | Thanks ! |
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| 12:54.33 | NoCode | http://i.imgur.com/E6YstEK.png -- Love it. <3 |
| 12:55.32 | Iridos | that's a bit of a stretch |
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| 13:03.00 | dFence | hey guys! Iâd need a systemd service to save the pid to a file; Iâd rather not edit the .service file directly. Is there a way to add PIDFile via a separate file? |
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| 13:16.23 | tyll | Hi, what is the easiest way to create a Debian repository in a directory that contains some .deb files? |
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| 13:16.57 | filystea | Helo |
| 13:17.18 | filystea | i NEED to find where Network-manager stores error log |
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| 13:17.21 | filystea | ANYONE? |
| 13:17.49 | tyll | filystea: did you try journalctl? |
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| 13:18.58 | filystea | Patriarch Kirill |
| 13:19.02 | filystea | wrong COPY |
| 13:19.09 | filystea | No journal files were found. |
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| 13:19.14 | filystea | tyll not werkin |
| 13:19.18 | tyll | sudo journalctl? |
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| 13:19.42 | filystea | not werkin in term nothign there |
| 13:20.03 | filystea | stop |
| 13:20.04 | filystea | got some |
| 13:20.12 | tyll | if you run it as a user it might not find a journal... but if it does not work as rook, I do not know |
| 13:20.14 | tyll | more |
| 13:20.30 | filystea | got as root |
| 13:20.34 | filystea | sec pasting |
| 13:20.46 | filystea | http://paste.ubuntu.com/15015969/ |
| 13:21.14 | teraflops | tyll: yes, you can also add your user to the systemd-journal group |
| 13:21.38 | filystea | so what does the paste say |
| 13:21.40 | filystea | probalms? |
| 13:21.42 | tyll | teraflops: ah, good to know |
| 13:21.57 | teraflops | filystea: tried journalctl -u NetworkManager ? or journalctl -u NetworkManager -f ? |
| 13:21.57 | tyll | filystea: it contains all log entries, you need to look for the NetworkManager now in there |
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| 13:25.37 | filystea | Here |
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| 13:25.39 | filystea | http://paste.ubuntu.com/15015981/ |
| 13:25.53 | filystea | here is the fail log that is from net manager |
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| 13:27.21 | teraflops | filystea: ok but whats your issue? you didnt say it |
| 13:27.42 | filystea | it says i do not fucking auth. i use this http://mybestvpn.com/i use the password i have tehre |
| 13:27.47 | filystea | why it says auth is wrong |
| 13:28.01 | filystea | FILYSTEA IS TODAY VERY UNHAPPY |
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| 13:28.59 | TomTomTosch | steps back |
| 13:29.11 | teraflops | I see, i recommend less coffee ... |
| 13:29.25 | teraflops | filystea: isnt obvoius? CHAP authentication failed ... |
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| 13:29.44 | abrotman | jelly: you beat me to it |
| 13:29.55 | jelly | filystea: I urge you to spend the next two hours reconsidering your use of all caps. |
| 13:30.03 | teraflops | yeah |
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| 13:30.44 | teraflops | i meant isn't that obvious* srry |
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| 13:31.20 | Joel | https://www.debian.org/releases/ - Is there a page that lists EOL dates? |
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| 13:37.55 | tyll | I created a repository with dpkg-scanpackages as described here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/170348/how-to-make-my-own-local-repository - when I add it to the sources list, apt does not want to install the packages since they are not authenticated - how can I disable authentication just for this repo or how can I sign it (would prefer not to sign it) |
| 13:38.15 | TomTomTosch | Joel, is this what you are looking for? https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
| 13:38.15 | Iridos | Joel, testing/unstable are rolling anyway (although testing has a name and then becomes the new stable with that name). when a new stable comes out, the old distribution becomes oldstable. oldstable has a lifetime for 1 year after release of the new stable. squeeze-lts is an exception... but it's (squeeze is) the first lts, not sure if anything is established there, yet |
| 13:38.19 | Iridos | dpkg, squeeze-lts |
| 13:38.19 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" continued until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 13:39.37 | Iridos | oh, there will also be wheezy-lts and jessie-lts if things go ok? |
| 13:40.11 | tfisher | When ever I enter sudo dnf install firefox into the terminal it won't install firefox |
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| 13:40.35 | jelly | Iridos: wheezy-lts is already in the works, and squeeze-lts is being EOL'd on 29th February (in just two weeks time) |
| 13:40.57 | tfisher | all it says is command not found |
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| 13:41.24 | Iridos | tfisher, you didn't ask a question there... let me ask one... what is "dnf" supposed to be? |
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| 13:41.37 | r6ku | tfisher: debian doesn't come with sudo by default, also firefox is iceweasel in debian |
| 13:41.52 | Joel | TomTomTosch, yup, thanks! |
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| 13:42.36 | tyll | is there a different channel that is better suited for questions about how to generate a custom repositoryà |
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| 13:42.44 | TomTomTosch | Iridos, something, something fedora :D |
| 13:43.13 | Joel | tyll, I use deb-s3 to generate a repo into s3 :) |
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| 13:43.36 | diamondsword | java -version on debian 8.3.0 is "1.7.0_95" |
| 13:43.45 | diamondsword | I want to update it to java version 8 |
| 13:44.09 | diamondsword | and how to set JAVA_HOME variable? |
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| 13:45.17 | abrotman | tyll: this is probably it .. or #debian on OFTC |
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| 13:46.18 | tyll | Joel: I just want the simple case, some .debs in a direcotory and be able to add them to the sources lists without compromising security |
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| 13:49.45 | gagalicious | for partman, d-i settings, how do i specify inode settings for the drives to be formatted? is this a valid question here? i'm asking about the preseed.cfg but cant find an example online |
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| 13:53.49 | abrotman | tyll: reprepro ? |
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| 13:57.29 | tyll | abrotman: not sure what you want so say - I managed to create a repository that apt recobnises, but I cannot figure out how to disable GPG checks for .deb files from this particular repository |
| 13:57.50 | tyll | abrotman: afaiu reprepro is just another more complex tool to generate repositories |
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| 13:58.24 | nkuttler | yeah, you still have to sign your packages yourself |
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| 13:58.42 | nkuttler | other than that it's not hard to use |
| 13:58.48 | tyll | how can I not sign them or how can I sign them? |
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| 14:00.48 | nkuttler | tyll: you can either allow unauthicated packages, or sign them and import the key |
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| 14:01.04 | nkuttler | unauthenticated even |
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| 14:02.23 | Joel | signing is stupid simple |
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| 14:04.15 | kmq | I'm booting a remote server, where I log into a shell to "luksOpen" my root filesystem manually. once that's done, how do I continue booting ? |
| 14:04.55 | kmq | I tried exiting the shell, but it just let's me re-login. I tried killing the dropbear process, but that doesn't seem to be it |
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| 14:05.16 | kmq | how can I tell the initramfs "ok thank you, now please continue to boot" ? |
| 14:05.51 | jelly | kmq: just exit the initramfs shell |
| 14:05.53 | kmq | this is on a freshly installed jessie |
| 14:06.05 | jelly | if that does not work, something else is borked |
| 14:06.18 | kmq | that's what I suspected :-/ |
| 14:06.42 | kmq | when I exit, is just keeps the dropbear server running |
| 14:07.35 | kmq | so the next best thing seemed to be to kill dropbear. I can't really see what the system is doing, I have no KVM access |
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| 14:10.23 | kmq | I'm trying to figure out how the cryptroot system does that, but it's a bit hard to read |
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| 14:14.11 | taliptako | hello i'm getting error on steam installation "steam may not run libgl.so.1" |
| 14:14.25 | taliptako | i have bumblebe working |
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| 14:16.38 | tyll | nkuttler: how can I allow unauthenticated packages from that repository? |
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| 14:16.55 | nkuttler | tyll: only from one specific repo? |
| 14:17.00 | tyll | nkuttler: yes |
| 14:17.06 | nkuttler | tyll: no idea, maybe if you can limit the sources apt uses |
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| 14:17.30 | nkuttler | but Joel said signing is stupid simple :) |
| 14:17.33 | tyll | nkuttler: I have the regular sources with the signed debs and I would like to use extra custom debs |
| 14:17.46 | nkuttler | i've never done it because my need for custom packages went away before i even got to the signing part.. |
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| 14:18.00 | tyll | nkuttler: I also tried it and it failed here |
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| 14:18.11 | Joel | https://wiki.debian.org/SettingUpSignedAptRepositoryWithReprepro |
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| 14:18.30 | Joel | so, freaking, simple. |
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| 14:22.22 | tyll | Joel: simple would be one or two commands, not a 10 step manual with lots of configuration to do :-/ |
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| 14:23.16 | nkuttler | well security is non-trivial.. |
| 14:23.43 | nkuttler | tyll: i mean, you can just confirm at the apt prompt that you want to install unsigned packages.. |
| 14:23.56 | tyll | I tried to create a relaese file with apt-ftparchive release . > Release and then sign it with gpg --sign --armor but then apt says there is a unknonw error for gpgv |
| 14:24.13 | tyll | nkuttler: I would like it to run unattended and not install unsigned debs from the Internet |
| 14:24.32 | tyll | nkuttler: also it is not like the complexity helps with security at this point |
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| 14:24.58 | tyll | apt update says: W: GPG error: file: ./ Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 14:25.28 | Joel | tyll, uh, that gives you the EXACT things to type |
| 14:25.31 | Joel | how does it get any simpler? |
| 14:25.47 | Joel | I mean, you can pay me a grand, I'll copy/paste the five commands for you |
| 14:26.07 | Joel | stop being butt hurt and just read. |
| 14:26.47 | tyll | I do not have the gpg key and reprepo on the same system |
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| 14:27.08 | nkuttler | that sounds like a fixable problem |
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| 14:27.20 | Joel | nkuttler, but it's easier to complain then actually do anything. |
| 14:27.22 | jelly | use a subkey just for that? |
| 14:27.26 | tyll | the gpg key is not on a Debian system... |
| 14:27.33 | jelly | or a completely new key |
| 14:28.00 | jelly | or mount the remote files, sign them and umount |
| 14:28.09 | jelly | or... really, use your imagination |
| 14:28.29 | Joel | jelly, why I said stop being butt hurt :P |
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| 14:28.51 | tyll | can I sign the files without reprepro or not? The guide seems to say that reprepro will sign the repo |
| 14:29.11 | jelly | Joel: sorry, not trying to take your business away :-) |
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| 14:29.34 | Joel | jelly, haha <3 |
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| 14:32.51 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
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| 14:33.13 | rysiek|pl | so, how bad an idea is using the jessie-backports kernel on a Denian jessie server? |
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| 14:35.33 | Brigo | rysiek|pl, do you really need it? |
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| 14:36.03 | rysiek|pl | Brigo: so the word "docker" has been thrown around a lot lately ;) |
| 14:36.03 | khazakar_ | Hi all |
| 14:36.17 | rysiek|pl | Brigo: a specific requirement is the overlay filesystem |
| 14:36.19 | khazakar_ | I have a problem with kodi on my debian jessie server |
| 14:36.30 | rysiek|pl | Brigo: 3.16 from Debian stable doesn't have it, and we do need it |
| 14:36.35 | khazakar_ | "libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast" |
| 14:36.49 | khazakar_ | gfx on that mobo are intel. |
| 14:37.01 | rysiek|pl | Brigo: compiling our own kernel doesn't seem like an extremely good idea |
| 14:37.05 | Brigo | rysiek|pl, well, the kernel should work in most cases. Don't know about security issues. |
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| 14:37.16 | rysiek|pl | Brigo: and that particular server is just a data processing rig |
| 14:37.40 | tyll | So it appears that apt wanted to tell me with "Unknown error executing gpgv " that the signature was not a detached signature |
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| 14:37.56 | tyll | and then not using a Packages.gz but a Packages file it appears to work |
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| 14:38.08 | rysiek|pl | Brigo: so I am assuming stability should be a-ok? |
| 14:38.30 | Brigo | rysiek|pl, i think so. |
| 14:38.56 | jelly | khazakar_: is libgl1-mesa-dri package installed? |
| 14:39.12 | khazakar_ | jelly: yes |
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| 14:39.43 | jelly | khazakar_: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and output of "lspci -nn|grep VGA" |
| 14:39.58 | jelly | maybe it's a too new intel gpu |
| 14:40.01 | khazakar_ | jessie have "libgl1-mesa-swx11" but when I want to install it,It want to remove kodi :/ |
| 14:40.30 | tyll | Joel: here, this would be simpler: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15016367/ |
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| 14:41.02 | khazakar_ | Xorg.0.log doesn't exist |
| 14:41.08 | Joel | tyll, it's amazing what you can accomplish when you try. |
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| 14:41.45 | jelly | khazakar_: interesting. Does kodi work without X, on framebuffer directly? Is there some other Xorg* log? |
| 14:42.09 | khazakar_ | It don't want to run,because of that swrast |
| 14:42.20 | khazakar_ | And I want to run it via SSH |
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| 14:43.21 | khazakar_ | jelly: lspci -nn | grep "VGA" -> http://pastebin.com/4UpDD7ZT |
| 14:43.45 | tyll | Joel: it would be even easier to achieve if apt would tell about the wrong signature instead of just saying unknown gpgv error when I used --sign instead of --detach-sign |
| 14:44.26 | tyll | Joel: and if it would not stop accepting Packages.gz files when the repo is signed but being satisfied with only a Packages file if there is no Release file... |
| 14:45.04 | khazakar_ | after startx -> "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." |
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| 14:46.25 | tyll | Joel: that was wrong, it was satisfied with a Packages.gz file if there is no Release file |
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| 14:48.31 | jelly | khazakar_: okay, that looks rather old |
| 14:49.43 | jelly | khazakar_: still you should be able to start as root just once |
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| 14:50.19 | jelly | khazakar_: the session probably won't come up but X server will start and produce a log file |
| 14:50.39 | jelly | khazakar_: do you know if kodi uses X or not? |
| 14:50.47 | khazakar_ | Kodi uses X |
| 14:51.00 | jelly | ,v kodi |
| 14:51.01 | judd | Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 15.2+dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 15.2+dfsg1-3; sid: 15.2+dfsg1-3; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:15.2-dmo8 |
| 14:51.03 | khazakar_ | I have kodi from deb-multimedia jessie-backport atm |
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| 14:51.21 | jelly | khazakar_: is it from dmm or jessie-backports |
| 14:51.30 | jelly | different versions, different builds |
| 14:51.30 | khazakar_ | jessie-backports deb-multimedia |
| 14:51.38 | jelly | it can't be both! |
| 14:51.51 | jelly | khazakar_: apt-cache policy kodi |
| 14:51.58 | khazakar_ | From it -> "deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie-backports main" |
| 14:52.07 | jelly | oh |
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| 14:52.53 | jelly | khazakar_: you'll have to ask the author of those packages then |
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| 14:53.00 | khazakar_ | ;_; |
| 14:53.25 | jelly | did the one from debian's jessie-backports not work? |
| 14:53.44 | khazakar_ | Debian's jessie-backports ? Wait a moment :P |
| 14:53.52 | jelly | !dmm |
| 14:53.53 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 14:54.33 | jelly | khazakar_: you'll have to remove all the dmm stuff first and temporarily remove it from sources |
| 14:54.37 | jelly | !dmm remove |
| 14:54.38 | dpkg | If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ... |
| 14:55.03 | DoctorD90 | jelly, where are bugtrack for repo? |
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| 14:55.13 | jelly | DoctorD90: which repo? |
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| 14:55.26 | DoctorD90 | i would check if yet exists the bug for ...uhm...gnome shell? |
| 14:55.50 | jelly | DoctorD90: bugs.debian.org |
| 14:55.51 | DoctorD90 | the "popup" window that appear clicking in top right corner |
| 14:55.56 | Dantey | whats the best tool to make an image of a debian system? |
| 14:56.00 | DoctorD90 | were i can see wifi and other |
| 14:56.09 | khazakar_ | That with remove don't work,because "--remove needs at least one name of package" |
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| 14:56.17 | DoctorD90 | Dantey, dd or filezilla distro |
| 14:56.25 | DoctorD90 | thx jelly |
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| 14:56.45 | Dantey | dd is no option cause its image size is = partition size |
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| 14:56.56 | Dantey | so lots of space is wasted |
| 14:56.58 | jhutchins | jelly: I know it's been true for a while that on a normal Debian install a regular user can't run startx; the system expects to have a *dm start X as root. |
| 14:57.01 | jelly | khazakar_: does aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' ... return anything? |
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| 14:57.22 | khazakar_ | nothing |
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| 14:57.24 | khazakar_ | ;_; |
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| 14:58.02 | jelly | khazakar_: apt-cache policy kodi |
| 14:58.09 | Dantey | isnt filezilla just a ftp client? |
| 14:58.30 | khazakar_ | It looks like uninstalled O.o |
| 14:58.45 | khazakar_ | And no kodi but kodi-standalone |
| 14:59.19 | jelly | okay, pastebin the output of apt-cache policy kodi-standalone, then |
| 14:59.23 | jelly | ,v kodi-standalone |
| 14:59.24 | judd | Package: kodi-standalone on amd64 -- jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:15.2-dmo8 |
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| 15:00.13 | khazakar_ | 5:15.2-dmo1+bp2 |
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| 15:00.21 | khazakar_ | but atm I removed it |
| 15:00.31 | DammitJim | let me take home the award for most stupid question by asking: "whose crontab should I put a job under for doing some cleanup jobs?" |
| 15:00.44 | DammitJim | root? |
| 15:00.47 | jelly | DammitJim: what kind of cleanup jobs? |
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| 15:01.06 | DammitJim | like there is an application that creates all these logs and those logs don't get cleaned up automatically |
| 15:01.26 | DoctorD90 | Dantey, you asked a good tool fo make an image of system. dd is one of the best |
| 15:01.27 | DammitJim | the problem I have is that the user that runs that application doesn't have a home folder |
| 15:01.29 | jelly | DammitJim: which user does the application run under? |
| 15:01.37 | DoctorD90 | because it does copy 1:1 |
| 15:01.48 | DammitJim | we call it minuero... that's the user |
| 15:01.58 | khazakar_ | BTW I need kodi as standalone,not normall X app on my server... |
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| 15:02.29 | jelly | DammitJim: does cron fail if the user's home is nonexistent? What stops you from creating it? |
| 15:02.46 | DoctorD90 | btw Dantey if you to save only used space, you may use *clonezilla (i confused names) |
| 15:02.51 | DammitJim | oh, I haven't done it, but I wasn't sure if doing it as root was appropriate |
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| 15:03.14 | jelly | DammitJim: if it doesn't have to run as root... don't run it as root |
| 15:03.16 | karlpinc | DammitJim: You could instead configure logrotate to clean the logs, since that's what it does. |
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| 15:03.45 | DammitJim | karlpinc, that's an excellent point... I do need to learn how to use logrotate |
| 15:03.54 | DammitJim | jelly, thanks... I'll try running it as minuero |
| 15:04.05 | DammitJim | then get on the logrotate bandwagon |
| 15:04.47 | khazakar_ | jelly: Xorg.0.log -> http://pastebin.com/uJAsjp3G |
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| 15:06.32 | Dantey | ahh cool clonezilla saves only the used space to the image? |
| 15:06.58 | Dantey | thought it was using dd also so imagesize = partition size |
| 15:07.09 | Dantey | but i will have a try on that one |
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| 15:09.16 | jhutchins | DammitJim: If you're dealing with logfiles you can probably use logroate to achieve a very useful solution. |
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| 15:09.34 | DammitJim | logrotate will take care of files that someone's custom application created? |
| 15:09.44 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Otherwise a job under /etc/cron.daily/ would be good (actually, a symlink to the script from there). |
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| 15:10.00 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Whatever you tell it to do. |
| 15:10.31 | jelly | khazakar_: dunno, looks like things work fine |
| 15:10.33 | DammitJim | noway! |
| 15:10.39 | DammitJim | and it will delete old files, right? |
| 15:10.46 | DammitJim | ugh, I want to do so much... there isn't enough time! |
| 15:11.02 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Delete by age, retain by number, compress, rotate the current log if necessary. |
| 15:11.04 | khazakar_ | Now I have other problem jelly: -> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 15:11.31 | jelly | khazakar_: that's normal is you're not at the console |
| 15:11.35 | jelly | if* |
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| 15:12.17 | khazakar_ | But I'm on a console,over SSH. :D |
| 15:12.24 | DammitJim | holy crap! |
| 15:13.47 | petn-randall | D: |
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| 15:14.59 | jelly | khazakar_: "over ssh" is directly opposite to "at the console". dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
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| 15:15.53 | khazakar_ | thanks :P |
| 15:16.12 | khazakar_ | but I don't see anything on my local machine ;_; |
| 15:16.16 | khazakar_ | over ssh |
| 15:16.44 | jhutchins | khazakar_: Are you expecting a graphical interface over ssh? |
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| 15:17.03 | khazakar_ | Yup,now It launched :D |
| 15:17.12 | circuitpirate | hi everyone, I installed debian 8 but when I boot I get a amd error that is too quick and the screen goes blank |
| 15:17.17 | khazakar_ | but with that swrast error :/ |
| 15:17.23 | circuitpirate | its on a system with a i5 6600k and a r9 390 |
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| 15:17.39 | circuitpirate | im assuming the r9 is the issue but what steps to install drivers if I have blank screen? |
| 15:17.59 | jhutchins | circuitpirate: Does Ctrl-Alt-F1 give you a text screen? |
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| 15:18.21 | khazakar_ | jelly: http://i.imgur.com/sWhxV7w.png |
| 15:18.31 | circuitpirate | I am not sure jhutchins , I am not at the machine at the moment, only had a little while this morning to install and see if I could get it up and running |
| 15:18.40 | circuitpirate | im at work and i can check when I get home |
| 15:19.31 | Dantey | you have to uninstall the amd driver in the console |
| 15:19.51 | jhutchins | circuitpirate: The other thing to try is choosing recovery mode from the boot menu - that should put in in a text console. |
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| 15:20.37 | circuitpirate | I did see that, then install the drivers from there? if i remember correctly it was something like radeon pci probe error |
| 15:20.47 | circuitpirate | thats all i remember then it goes black, very quick |
| 15:20.53 | Dantey | radeon is the free driver |
| 15:21.20 | Dantey | you haven installed amd driver? |
| 15:21.24 | Dantey | havent |
| 15:21.25 | zykotick9 | Dantey: s/free/open/ still requires non-free firmware for 3d support... |
| 15:21.42 | Dantey | yes thatÅ right |
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| 15:21.54 | circuitpirate | i just installed debian from usb, then tried to boot, so nothing installed that I have done that was not in the usb installation |
| 15:21.59 | circuitpirate | if that makes any sense |
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| 15:22.32 | Dantey | ok then i think you have to install the radeon third party firmware package |
| 15:22.43 | Dantey | for kms |
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| 15:23.00 | circuitpirate | dantey ah ok |
| 15:23.02 | Dantey | kernel mode setting is the problem i think |
| 15:23.09 | circuitpirate | possibly |
| 15:23.41 | circuitpirate | is there a set of commands to install the third party firmware package? |
| 15:23.46 | circuitpirate | that i can reference |
| 15:24.16 | Dantey | you can just install this package with apt just thinking about the name of the package |
| 15:24.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell circuitpirate about non-free |
| 15:24.22 | abrotman | dpkg: tell circuitpirate about firmware images |
| 15:24.41 | Dantey | yeah that it |
| 15:25.23 | r6ku | r9 390, seriously? is that gpu even supported yet? |
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| 15:26.07 | circuitpirate | so the firmware images requires me to reinstall with that image? |
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| 15:30.40 | deanc_ | Hi, Im running debian in virtual box with the adaptor set to bridged mode. The machine's settings haven't been touch, and I'm not getting an IP from my router. They told me this is a debian issue, rather than a box one and to try here |
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| 15:45.02 | khazakar_ | Eh,again problem. i'm conneced via vnc to my server and this happens when I want to run kodi ;-; http://pastebin.com/XWuKcEhe |
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| 15:55.02 | jelly | khazakar_: ask the kodi people what that means and which error is fatal |
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| 15:55.39 | jelly | KhazAkar: #xbmc channel, I guess |
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| 16:00.06 | khazakar_ | thanks jelly |
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| 16:07.52 | diamondsword | after I install xfce I have no volume control |
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| 16:08.02 | diamondsword | I had when I wa using gnome |
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| 16:08.27 | diamondsword | actually there is no volume at all :) |
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| 16:08.46 | diamondsword | what's happening here ... |
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| 16:08.56 | Iridos | well, maybe you doubled the volume... but 2*0=0 |
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| 16:11.51 | enty | I have a question about sudo: does anyone kln |
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| 16:12.09 | r6ku | diamondsword: try installing pavucontrol for pulseaudio volume control, see if that helps |
| 16:12.12 | khazakar_ | Btw,Any volti alternative,but for pulseaudio? :> |
| 16:12.24 | khazakar_ | It must have multimedia keys control |
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| 16:13.06 | enty | I have a question about sudo: does anyone know whether "%a ALL=(%b) NOPASSWD: ALL" is supposed to allow all members of group a to become all users in group b, or whether it allows them to switch their GID to b using sudo, or something entirely different? |
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| 16:14.06 | enty | also, if anyone has a tip how to achieve the former, that would be appreciated. |
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| 16:15.06 | diamondsword | r6ku: that worked :) |
| 16:15.17 | diamondsword | but where is xfce's default volume control_ |
| 16:15.21 | diamondsword | name? |
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| 16:15.45 | r6ku | diamondsword: iirc in jessie xfce uses alsa for audio, since you already had gnome installed it defaulted to pulseaudio it seems... |
| 16:16.19 | diamondsword | r6ku: it seems now, there is no tool for audio |
| 16:16.50 | diamondsword | but I installed pavucontrol, it's ok |
| 16:17.37 | SerajewelKS | enty: the manpage should explain what that does, no? |
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| 16:17.51 | enty | no, it does not |
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| 16:18.05 | diamondsword | r6ku: I downloaded debian netinst iso file |
| 16:18.11 | diamondsword | but there is no DE name in it |
| 16:18.22 | diamondsword | is it gnome or xfce as default? |
| 16:18.30 | diamondsword | or will I select it while installing? |
| 16:18.39 | enty | the sudo manpage is complete garbage and sudo is my #1 tool with an unreadable config file, well before sendmail |
| 16:18.43 | diamondsword | I plan to install with netinst alongside windows, r6ku |
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| 16:19.33 | r6ku | diamondsword: you select it while installing, you should look up how to setup dualboot before installing though |
| 16:19.49 | tinyhippo | I am trying to install python-zmq on debian squeeze but I get this error: python-zmq : Depends: python (< 2.7) but 2.7.8-1 is to be installed how do I fix it? |
| 16:20.01 | diamondsword | r6ku: it will install grub right? |
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| 16:20.13 | diamondsword | so, I guess grub gives me to boot on windows or linux then |
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| 16:20.20 | SerajewelKS | enty: the Runas_Spec section clearly lays that out |
| 16:20.50 | SerajewelKS | enty: it would allow all users in group a to become all users in group b |
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| 16:21.08 | SerajewelKS | enty: if you instead want to allow all users in group a to switch their gid, then you want (:%b) instead of (%b) |
| 16:21.20 | enty | maybe you have a different version of the manpage |
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| 16:21.31 | SerajewelKS | enty: man sudoers |
| 16:21.43 | diamondsword | bbl |
| 16:21.53 | diamondsword | thanks for help ~ |
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| 16:27.07 | jelly | ,v python-zmq |
| 16:27.09 | judd | Package: python-zmq on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 2.2.0-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.2.0-1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 13.1.0-1~bpo60+2; wheezy-backports: 13.1.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 14.4.0-1; sid: 15.1.0-1; stretch: 15.1.0-1 |
| 16:27.30 | jelly | dpkg, tell tinyhippo about basic apt troubleshooting |
| 16:28.16 | tinyhippo | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/379967/ |
| 16:28.36 | enty | SerajewelKS: thanks. I still can't find it in my sudoers(5). |
| 16:28.53 | jelly | tinyhippo: put the other two commands in the same paste, if possible |
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| 16:30.09 | tinyhippo | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/379968/ |
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| 16:30.35 | jelly | tinyhippo: also note squeeze-lts support ends on Feb 29th, it's not too wise to plan new installs on squeeze at all |
| 16:31.47 | tinyhippo | jelly: I'm not intending to, started a new job and need to fix things as soon as I can, I don't have time/resource to rebuld the box so I'm dealing with what I've got at the moment |
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| 16:32.18 | jelly | tinyhippo: that said, does adding -t squeeze-backports to apt-get change things in any way |
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| 16:40.44 | tinyhippo | jelly: nope :( |
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| 16:41.12 | jelly | tinyhippo: use aptitude insteaf of apt-get, then |
| 16:41.29 | NoCode | Weird, try to remove iceweasel, and chromium tries to install. |
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| 16:41.49 | jelly | tinyhippo: when it asks you things, don't quit right away but pastebin the output |
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| 16:42.15 | tinyhippo | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/379972/ |
| 16:42.31 | r6ku | NoCode: sounds like metapackage shenanigans :p |
| 16:42.31 | NoCode | Same goes with icedove. Remove icedove, and evolution installs. |
| 16:42.41 | NoCode | bloody hell |
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| 16:42.58 | NoCode | I'd like a choice, yes. |
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| 16:43.16 | khazakar_ | jelly kodi don't want to run via vnc,because tightvncserver on stable debian don't have RandR support :D |
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| 16:43.58 | MrBar | hey |
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| 16:44.18 | jelly | MrBar: woohoo. #debian-offtopic, tho, not here. |
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| 16:44.29 | MrBar | heh |
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| 16:46.24 | jelly | khazakar_: why would you want to run it on vnc, tho? |
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| 16:46.43 | jelly | isn't the point of kodi to be connected to a tv |
| 16:46.58 | khazakar_ | jelly to test it and configure,then when I connect it to my tv It would work OOTB |
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| 16:47.32 | jelly | khazakar_: test it with an actual screen that has correct EDID and video modes and audio |
| 16:48.24 | khazakar_ | Works by vnc now,I just installed vnc4server and removed tightvncserver |
| 16:48.31 | mcm_ | what is the meaning of triple dash on grub command lines? |
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| 16:48.54 | khazakar_ | But now I have again swrast error :/ |
| 16:48.59 | olduser | Hello |
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| 16:49.10 | jelly | khazakar_: I'd still do it with a TV, and x11vnc to connect to the running X session |
| 16:49.45 | khazakar_ | My TV only have composite input,because It's CRT TV :D |
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| 16:50.20 | khazakar_ | jelly,again swrast :/ -> kodi vnc |
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| 16:50.53 | jelly | khazakar_: I have no clue about kodi itself, sorry. X and video issues yes, kodi no |
| 16:50.57 | khazakar_ | "libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast" |
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| 16:51.07 | khazakar_ | again :/ |
| 16:51.35 | khazakar_ | I really need to backport whole X to make this working? ;_; |
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| 16:52.29 | olduser | I have BIOS-only computer. I want to use 4 TB HDD. I know that MBR doesn't support partitions > 2TB so I want to use GPT but as I said my PC doesn't have UEFI. Should I use MBR hybrid partition table or MBR protective partition table if my only OS is Linux? |
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| 16:53.51 | jelly | tinyhippo: what does "apt-cache policy python" say? squeeze ought to have 2.6.6-ish |
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| 16:54.04 | jelly | tinyhippo: see /msg judd v python |
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| 16:54.56 | tinyhippo | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/379974/ |
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| 16:55.01 | aversario | hi guys. I tried to install skype on debian 8 jessie following the wiki -> https://wiki.debian.org/skype#Frequently_Ask_Questions_.28F.A.Q..29_for_Jessie_64_bits |
| 16:55.01 | jelly | tinyhippo: and yet salt-common : Depends: python (< 2.7) but 2.7.8-1 is installed. |
| 16:55.03 | aversario | and after reboot I get kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0) |
| 16:55.04 | aversario | Is something wrong with commands on the wiki? |
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| 16:55.16 | jelly | tinyhippo: there's your problem |
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| 16:55.37 | hiya | Is there a good book to learn Debian Jessie |
| 16:55.39 | tinyhippo | jelly: so someone's been buggering about with the version of python installed, likely because there were a load of sid repos installed for some reason |
| 16:55.51 | jelly | tinyhippo: "python" metapackage from 2014 testing/jessie installed |
| 16:56.07 | tinyhippo | jelly: is there a way to rollback packages to the ones available in the stable repos? |
| 16:56.13 | jelly | downgrade it if possible |
| 16:56.15 | dontknow | hiya, learn what? |
| 16:56.19 | jelly | tinyhippo: apt-get install package=version |
| 16:56.40 | hiya | dontknow, OS |
| 16:56.53 | jelly | tinyhippo: of course there's a possibility you have custom apps/scripts that depend on 2.7 by now :-) |
| 16:57.04 | dontknow | hiya, you can learn by using it |
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| 16:57.29 | hiya | dontknow, that I am doing since months |
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| 16:58.01 | jhutchins | hiya: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 16:58.15 | Mathisen | Hello having strange problems with a package in jessy " npm " can someone check it pls with apt i get 403 premision denied, and if tried another mirror its not found... |
| 16:58.21 | hiya | jhutchins, I see thanks |
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| 16:58.42 | Mathisen | can someone check the " npm " package ? is there for you ? |
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| 16:58.50 | jelly | ,v npm |
| 16:58.52 | judd | Package: npm on amd64 -- stretch: 1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2 |
| 16:59.03 | jhutchins | hiya: There are some good books, like "Running Linux" from O'Rielly, but more material is on-line and it's more current. |
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| 16:59.06 | tinyhippo | jelly: I guess I'll have to leave it until I have time to rebuild the box |
| 16:59.26 | tinyhippo | managing all of these other boxes is going to be a PITA |
| 16:59.34 | jelly | tinyhippo: if the downgrade want to remove many packages, yeah |
| 16:59.35 | r6ku | aversario: I don't see anything in the wiki that might render your system unbootable, or maybe I'm just blind |
| 16:59.40 | jhutchins | hiya: https://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 16:59.52 | Mathisen | jelly, can you try to install it or just --simulate it pls |
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| 17:00.13 | Mathisen | i just want to know its my mirror or not |
| 17:00.14 | jhutchins | ,v npm |
| 17:00.15 | judd | Package: npm on amd64 -- stretch: 1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2 |
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| 17:01.00 | jelly | Mathisen: http://paste.debian.net/379975/ |
| 17:01.05 | Mathisen | yeah i know its there but i get 403 or 404 depending on http or frp |
| 17:01.08 | Mathisen | ftp* |
| 17:01.26 | jelly | Mathisen: configure a different mirror |
| 17:01.33 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 17:01.33 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 17:01.46 | aversario | r6ku: I don't know. I can try fresh install of debian and skype in the following days and see if it happens again. tnx |
| 17:01.59 | jelly | Mathisen: apt-get -d install npm Works For Me⢠|
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| 17:02.15 | Mathisen | jelly, thats the thing i did, i used ftp.fi.debian.org and there the package was not found |
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| 17:02.38 | jelly | Mathisen: use the above ^^, see what happens |
| 17:02.45 | Mathisen | will do |
| 17:02.52 | jelly | Mathisen: "dpkg --print-architecture" says what? |
| 17:02.53 | aversario | r6ku: By the way I'm using SSD drive. Is the install procedure the same as with HDD? Can That cause the trouble? |
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| 17:03.51 | r6ku | r6ku: yes, I'm also using an SSD, now that I think about it that might've happened to me before? |
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| 17:05.40 | corw | hi to all |
| 17:05.51 | r6ku | r6ku: hello |
| 17:06.52 | corw | i have pulseaudio, how can root hear something? |
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| 17:10.29 | teclo- | corw: well root should not be hearing anything.... |
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| 17:12.07 | jelly | corw: do you mean "I want to run an audio playing app as root and hear the sound on my speakers/headphones/we" |
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| 17:12.23 | corw | teclo: that's why i have asked |
| 17:13.14 | corw | jelly: yes, but tried something like su otheruser ... |
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| 17:13.23 | teclo- | well root is an account designed for adminestering the machine, not playing sound, so for playing sound you should user your user |
| 17:13.35 | jelly | !goal |
| 17:13.35 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 17:13.38 | teclo- | use* your user |
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| 17:13.49 | strk | what does it mean for a package to be known but havign no candidates ? |
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| 17:14.04 | strk | apt-cache policy postgresql-9.5-postgis-2.1 # Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table: |
| 17:14.19 | jelly | strk: some other package is referencing it but there's no actual package that provides it in the repos |
| 17:14.33 | corw | ... and i don't want pulseaudio --system (not for the blah blah security problem) but because |
| 17:14.36 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.47 | corw | teclo: please no lessons about root |
| 17:15.08 | strk | jelly: but "apt-get install <this_package>" does not error out, which is annoying |
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| 17:15.33 | strk | it's like "void" package exists, it's successfully installed (being void) |
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| 17:15.55 | jelly | strk: what do you mean it doesn't error out? |
| 17:16.10 | jelly | strk: show the output of apt-get install postgresql-9.5-postgis-2.1; echo $? |
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| 17:17.11 | cnnx | will the 32-bit version of debian always be supported and developped? |
| 17:17.17 | cnnx | i have a p3 system im concerned about |
| 17:18.14 | jelly | cnnx: noone can promise you "always" but certainly i386 is going to stay "for the foreseeable future" |
| 17:18.31 | cnnx | ok |
| 17:18.50 | cnnx | jelly: well its like when apple killed off its line of apple II computers, prodos died |
| 17:18.53 | cnnx | thats what I mean |
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| 17:20.00 | jelly | cnnx: hardware plaforms get obsolete. You can still keep using the last versions of software that got released. |
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| 17:21.12 | jelly | assuming you can acquire the software somehow put it on obsolete media for that platform |
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| 17:23.09 | jhutchins | I know of systems still running an embedded version of MS DOS. |
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| 17:28.52 | khazakar_ | Eh,Again..."libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast" |
| 17:29.05 | khazakar_ | Idk how to run that kodi,even glxgears |
| 17:29.44 | khazakar_ | On #kodi nobody knows,on #debian-pl too...Idk what to do |
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| 17:34.01 | RubenADSR | Hey guys, what do you think? https://rubenrocha.github.io/ricey/ |
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| 17:35.15 | TomTomTosch | khazakar_, how did you install kodi? |
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| 17:35.49 | khazakar_ | From jessie-backports TomTOmTosch |
| 17:35.53 | khazakar_ | TomTomTosch* |
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| 17:36.12 | cnnx | rxo: i want a case like this http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112476 for 100$ , u know one? a flat layout atx mb in this manner |
| 17:36.14 | TomTomTosch | hmm, no idea then, sry. |
| 17:36.32 | khazakar_ | ;_; |
| 17:37.16 | gagalicious | noatime... will it disable last modified time? why do people need atime by the way? |
| 17:37.50 | khazakar_ | Why I have such that problems without solve ;__; |
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| 17:44.13 | Aorious | In Iceweasel, when skipping or resuming a YouTube video, occasionally the sound stops playing. It returns when opening the Gnome sound settings menu, without even adjusting any of the settings. How can I correct this? |
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| 17:45.05 | dutchfish | khazakar_, The importance of the noatime setting is that it eliminates the need by the system to make writes to the file system for files which are simply being read. |
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| 17:45.57 | dutchfish | khazakar_, think overhead and wearing out of some hw |
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| 17:47.37 | dutchfish | oops, that was for gagalicious |
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| 17:48.41 | khazakar_ | np mate,I have problem with kodi and swrast on my server + kodi |
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| 17:49.48 | CaBa | hi |
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| 17:50.55 | khazakar_ | And nobody knows how to solve it |
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| 17:56.39 | dutchfish | khazakar_, have you tried asking that question with the output of `LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo` posted to the pastebin? |
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| 18:00.29 | dontknow | Aorious, do you use flash player? |
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| 18:01.32 | Aorious | dontknow, no use html5. |
| 18:01.56 | Aorious | dontknow, no just* html5. |
| 18:02.04 | dontknow | Aorious, ok. i was going to say remove flash |
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| 18:03.09 | dontknow | Aorious, since you are on gnome it uses pulseaudio |
| 18:03.22 | dontknow | it may be the culprit |
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| 18:04.03 | JonyS | I'm trying to give my user full r/w access to a bunch of webserver-user&group-owned dirs & files. I'm trying to use FACLs. What I'm doing isn't working; I still get "Permission Denied" as my user. Here's what I did: http://pastebin.com/jY2aYLej |
| 18:04.05 | JonyS | What am I doing wrong here? |
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| 18:05.22 | dutchfish | JonyS, first thing to check, what user your webservers service is running under, in debian its norammly www-data |
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| 18:05.32 | dutchfish | normaly* |
| 18:05.41 | markybob | that's not what he did |
| 18:05.44 | greycat | I got the impression that the running web daemon is irrelevant. |
| 18:06.18 | greycat | He just wants to open a file as user X on the command line, but the file is owned by user Y, and he's using some weird non-Unix-y permissions that I know nothing about, |
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| 18:06.56 | dutchfish | ok, i assumed the files where created by the webservice, my mistake |
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| 18:07.04 | JonyS | dutchfish: It doesn't matter here. In any case, it's correct. I'm migrating servers to Debian, and run, currently as wwwrun:www |
| 18:07.05 | greycat | They may have been. |
| 18:07.30 | JonyS | greycat non-unixy? man setfacl |
| 18:07.39 | greycat | imadev:~$ man setfacl |
| 18:07.40 | greycat | No manual entry for setfacl. |
| 18:07.45 | greycat | ^^ on a more Unix-y box. |
| 18:07.55 | greycat | Debian is GNU/Linux, not Unix. |
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| 18:08.11 | Hello71 | greycat: it's POSIX |
| 18:08.24 | Hello71 | JonyS: first test that ACLs are working |
| 18:08.24 | greycat | Oh, then it's just too new. :( |
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| 18:08.59 | Hello71 | greycat: er, actually POSIX draft, according to my acl(5) |
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| 18:09.19 | Hello71 | JonyS: touch file; setfacl... |
| 18:09.32 | JonyS | Hello71: They are according to getfacl |
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| 18:09.38 | StephenS | I AM DEBIAN |
| 18:09.58 | jelly | greycat: acl api and cli have been nicked pretty much as-is from solaris afair |
| 18:10.08 | Hello71 | JonyS: yes, but make sure they work on basic files and simple tools (cat) first |
| 18:11.49 | JonyS | Hello71: Sry, not following. @ pastebin, there's a 'simple' dir, and a 'simple' tool used, namely 'ls' |
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| 18:14.12 | dutchfish | JonyS, one more thought, check if getfacl can access all UUID's from there repective names on you system, if the FS is transported with old ACL's. |
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| 18:16.17 | JonyS | dutchfish: ACL support is enabled in kernel. 'acl' is defined for all /etc/fstab mounts. tune2fs show is available & active on all mount. |
| 18:16.32 | JonyS | s/show is/show's it is/ |
| 18:16.43 | JonyS | agh, /shows it it/ |
| 18:16.48 | JonyS | :-(!!! |
| 18:16.54 | dutchfish | JonyS, not good enough, you need all the user:uuid setup which have been used in the ACL's, check that |
| 18:16.54 | JonyS | (you get the picture) |
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| 18:17.45 | JonyS | dutchfish: so not UUIDs, but uids ... |
| 18:17.53 | dutchfish | JonyS, yes |
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| 18:18.47 | khazakar_ | dutchfish it works with screen attached :D |
| 18:19.01 | JonyS | dutchfish: specific test, then? |
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| 18:19.34 | dutchfish | JonyS, nope, just getfacl and check its output for unknowns |
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| 18:20.01 | dutchfish | JonyS, only root can do that, if there are missing |
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| 18:20.32 | JonyS | dutchfish: what, exactly, is the getfacl output I posted supposedly missing? |
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| 18:20.52 | dutchfish | JonyS, on older UNIXes it even get more complicated, then when users are defunct it renders ACL's unoperable. |
| 18:21.11 | dontknow | what is acl? |
| 18:21.14 | dutchfish | JonyS, i missed your post |
| 18:21.20 | JonyS | what user are you suggesting is 'defunct'? |
| 18:21.25 | greycat | dontknow: man 5 acl |
| 18:21.56 | JonyS | dutchfish: Looked like you responded to my post ... http://pastebin.com/jY2aYLej |
| 18:22.05 | JonyS | Or didn't you look at it? |
| 18:22.36 | dutchfish | JonyS, now i am reading, a sec |
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| 18:23.02 | rsync | Our Family is strong! |
| 18:23.04 | rsync | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmOjC4x2ZPE |
| 18:23.07 | dontknow | greycat, thanks. "man acl" also works |
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| 18:23.56 | markybob | rsync, will you stop that. this is the third time i've seen you join just to spam youtube |
| 18:23.58 | dutchfish | JonyS, how is that /home currently mounted? |
| 18:24.10 | dutchfish | JonyS, what permissions? |
| 18:24.31 | rsync | u consider it spam, i think its encouraging ;) |
| 18:24.46 | JonyS | dutchfish: 755 root root |
| 18:24.47 | markybob | rsync, it's offtopic and a violation of channel guidelines. stop it |
| 18:25.24 | rsync | u are the only one complaining |
| 18:25.33 | dutchfish | JonyS, no i ment the mount phrase, what mounting options? |
| 18:25.39 | greycat | JonyS: your "mask::r--" looks like the problem. |
| 18:25.41 | JonyS | rsync not the only one ... |
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| 18:26.10 | greycat | "mask A mask ACL entry specifies the maximum access which can be granted by any ACL entry except the user entry for the file owner and the other entry" |
| 18:26.28 | JonyS | dutchfish: /home ext4 relatime,acl,user_xattr,journal_checksum,barrier=1 0 2 |
| 18:26.29 | rsync | ok 2 are not part of the family ;) |
| 18:26.42 | JonyS | ignore. poof. gone. |
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| 18:26.51 | TomTomTosch | rsync, markybob is right, everyone else is just ignoring you. |
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| 18:28.20 | JonyS | dutchfish: Hm. I'm specifically setting the FACL mask to ... d:u:jonys:rwX for dirs, and d:u:jonys:rw- for files. |
| 18:29.23 | TomTomTosch | 5~ |
| 18:30.06 | churnd | i'm trying to create a systemd service file in debian 8. I have a tmpfiles.d conf file to create the runtime dir for the pid. i notice when i stop the service, the runtime dir gets removed |
| 18:30.13 | churnd | how can i prevent that |
| 18:30.36 | dutchfish | JonyS, i am not sure, but normally i would mount it something like POSIX UUID=66efee3e-b960-41c0-adf7-072c0e06420e / ext4 relatime,acl,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 18:31.48 | dutchfish | JonyS, and still check if the old uid's all comply |
| 18:32.19 | greycat | truly has NO idea what the hell dutchfish is talking about. |
| 18:32.31 | greycat | I didn't see any talk of UUIDs in acl(5) |
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| 18:33.00 | dutchfish | greycat, i ment UID's (typo) |
| 18:33.17 | greycat | Nor do I see anything about mapping UIDs to other UIDs. |
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| 18:34.58 | dutchfish | greycat, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-nfsv4-acl-mapping-05 |
| 18:35.20 | greycat | Yeah, I had a feeling you were talking about NFS. But JonyS is asking about ACL stuff. |
| 18:35.33 | dutchfish | greycat, ok |
| 18:35.47 | dutchfish | greycat, sorry for noise |
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| 18:36.21 | JonyS | greycat: just caught that "... maximum access ...". Hmmmm. |
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| 18:37.43 | JonyS | it DOES say "except the user entry" |
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| 18:38.00 | JonyS | but in my getfacl there's "user:jonys:rwx #effective:r--" . 'effective'? |
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| 18:38.10 | greycat | "except the user entry for the file owner" |
| 18:38.16 | greycat | you are not the file owner |
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| 18:38.36 | greycat | effective is showing you the permissions after applying the mask |
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| 18:43.21 | dziq | hi |
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| 18:44.13 | docmur | If I put a gtk# application inside a jessie live dvd, is there a way that I can get it to start the application instead of gnome3? |
| 18:44.27 | dziq | I'm wondering if I can install debian on my old partition layout. I mean /boot (efi vfat partiton) and rest on encrypted lvm |
| 18:44.48 | dziq | or do I need separate /boot part eg. ext2 |
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| 18:50.24 | johnny0 | dziq: it should be fine booting off an efi boot partition |
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| 18:51.17 | dziq | johnny0: can I choose to have /boot on my efi during installation? |
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| 18:52.22 | AvocetVIS | anyone have any links to debian ascii art? |
| 18:52.34 | AvocetVIS | all I can really find through google are simple swirl animations |
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| 18:53.10 | Brigo | AvocetVIS, maybe linuxlogo - Color ANSI System Logo? |
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| 18:53.36 | AvocetVIS | yeah, just looking for a nice shell login logo |
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| 18:53.41 | AvocetVIS | thanks Brigo |
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| 18:55.36 | Brigo | AvocetVIS, yw :) |
| 18:55.46 | johnny0 | dziq: you should be able to choose your efi partition to be mounted as /boot during install |
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| 18:59.30 | dziq | johnny0: thx |
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| 19:09.22 | JonyS | greycat: found it. mis-usage of "-M" and "d:" options. Working now! Thx. |
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| 19:12.09 | Riverside | Question: LVM - Migreated extents (sda5) into (sda4). Everything works fine, but when I look at the Linear mapping it shows two different extents named the same. |
| 19:12.17 | Riverside | How do I merge them ? |
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| 19:15.22 | Ynnaf | "** Message: don't know how to handle video/x-h264" trying to use subtitleed |
| 19:15.32 | Ynnaf | *subtitleditor on jessie |
| 19:15.36 | frostschutz | Riverside, that's a rather unclear description... do you have some output? lvs -o +devices, vgcfgbackup or similar...? |
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| 19:15.54 | Ynnaf | should I open a bug ticket about that ? |
| 19:16.41 | bazhang | ,v pdftk |
| 19:16.42 | judd | Package: pdftk on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.41+dfsg-10+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.44-7; jessie: 2.02-2; stretch: 2.02-3; sid: 2.02-3 |
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| 19:17.17 | Riverside | frostschultz, Should I paste the output here or in a PM |
| 19:17.36 | dontknow | Ynnaf, subtitleeditor gives that error? |
| 19:17.41 | greycat | Riverside: use http://paste.debian.net/ or a similar site |
| 19:17.47 | Ynnaf | dontknow: yes |
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| 19:18.42 | dontknow | Ynnaf, i don't know but do you have gstreamer1.0-libav package |
| 19:19.03 | Ynnaf | yes |
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| 19:19.28 | Riverside | http://paste.debian.net/380000/ |
| 19:19.32 | Ynnaf | don't you have the problem trying subtitle editor on a h264 video ? |
| 19:19.38 | Riverside | umm. the image made it look kind of goofy |
| 19:19.43 | Riverside | not sure if it came across |
| 19:19.52 | dontknow | Ynnaf, subtitle editor must be very old software that doesnt support h264 |
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| 19:20.32 | Riverside | I don't think that worked. |
| 19:20.49 | Ynnaf | argh it's the only I like with audio graphs and custom shortkeys 'n all :( |
| 19:21.11 | greycat | Riverside: One pastes text. Not ASCII renderings of the content of an image file. |
| 19:21.25 | frostschutz | Riverside, what image? it's text just copy-paste |
| 19:22.12 | Riverside | I had snap of my system-config-lvm |
| 19:22.16 | Riverside | to show it visually |
| 19:22.24 | dontknow | Ynnaf, i see it installs gstreamer0.10-plugins-good |
| 19:22.29 | greycat | Do not use a screen shot. Just copy the output of a command in a terminal. |
| 19:23.00 | dontknow | Ynnaf, you may try to install different gstreamer0.10-* packages |
| 19:23.11 | Ynnaf | I installed all of them today :( |
| 19:23.15 | Ynnaf | without a luck |
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| 19:23.29 | dontknow | Ynnaf, good luck then |
| 19:23.29 | docmur | I have a gtk# program that I can launch prefectly fine from a terminal, but can't launch from gnome directly, the file contains: http://pastie.org/10718377, how can I get this file to launch the application when I double click it? |
| 19:23.47 | Ynnaf | Guess I'll just open a bug and use my archlinux. |
| 19:24.03 | dontknow | Ynnaf, does it work on arch? |
| 19:24.09 | Ynnaf | yup |
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| 19:25.21 | dontknow | Ynnaf, have you tried different h264 videos? |
| 19:25.29 | Ynnaf | no. |
| 19:25.42 | nkuttler | Ynnaf: hm, i was unable to play a random h264 video that used to work.. i was blaming my disk tbh |
| 19:25.48 | nkuttler | but that happened, like, yesterday |
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| 19:25.56 | nkuttler | all other videos work fine |
| 19:26.18 | nkuttler | actually, let me try on my unstable box |
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| 19:26.34 | Ynnaf | I'll try another video but I had this issue for months now on a different project |
| 19:26.41 | nkuttler | ok, same problem. definitely bad disk |
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| 19:26.47 | Ynnaf | ...Nope. |
| 19:27.30 | Ynnaf | I say I had the same problem on other files and it never worked on h264 video. I had to use my arch each time as workaround. |
| 19:27.35 | Ynnaf | Which is annoying. |
| 19:28.04 | xaa | hi, I am reading an article and I am wondering whats does it mean when the guys tell "I work in an extremely secured environment. we ssh in, as root or another user, through a logging relay if necessary". What I don't understand is the login as root in a "extremely secured environment". I thought the first best practice was to disable the root login? What means "through a logging relay if necesasry"? I |
| 19:28.04 | xaa | guess this is what I don't get |
| 19:28.16 | Ynnaf | (just tested now, all mp4 I try get the same error.) |
| 19:28.45 | greycat | xaa: "secured environment" is a subjective term. As you see. |
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| 19:29.42 | dontknow | Ynnaf, how do you open movie with it? |
| 19:29.46 | dontknow | i installed |
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| 19:30.13 | Ynnaf | video > open. |
| 19:30.30 | dontknow | ok. it doesn't work on my side also |
| 19:31.04 | dontknow | it also doesn't open avi |
| 19:31.31 | bazhang | ,v h264 |
| 19:31.32 | judd | No package named 'h264' was found in amd64. |
| 19:31.44 | bazhang | ,v x264 |
| 19:31.45 | judd | Package: x264 on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 2:0.120.2151+gita3f4407-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:0.123.2189+git35cf912-1; jessie: 2:0.142.2431+gita5831aa-1+b2; sid: 2:0.148.2643+git5c65704-1; stretch: 2:0.148.2643+git5c65704-1; wheezy-multimedia: 3:0.132.2310+git76a5c3a-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 3:0.146.2538+git121396c-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 3:0.148.2665+gita01e339-dmo1 |
| 19:32.03 | bazhang | install that dontknow Ynnaf |
| 19:32.13 | Ynnaf | already done. |
| 19:32.24 | bazhang | what vid player |
| 19:32.42 | Ynnaf | subtitle editor is using mplayer as far as I know |
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| 19:32.52 | Ynnaf | or gstreamer ? |
| 19:33.06 | Ynnaf | I just do random guesses. |
| 19:33.11 | karlpinc | xaa: Best practice is to always be able associate a human with every action taken. |
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| 19:33.14 | bazhang | try smplayer with the m4v as a backend |
| 19:33.59 | xaa | I understand that. but I don't get how is it possible to be on an "extremely secured environment" with root login enable |
| 19:34.02 | bazhang | ,v mpv |
| 19:34.03 | judd | Package: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; sid: 0.14.0-1; stretch: 0.14.0-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.15.0-dmo1 |
| 19:34.13 | Ynnaf | smplayer works fine |
| 19:34.16 | bazhang | mpv is that I mean above |
| 19:34.20 | greycat | xaa: What do you want us to tell you? Your definition differs from that of whatever stupid thing you are reading. |
| 19:34.54 | xaa | :) |
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| 19:37.19 | Riverside | http://imgur.com/Xozdq06 |
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| 19:40.14 | donofrio__atwork | how do I get the hostname file changes to be reflexted in realtime without reboot - or is that the only way? |
| 19:40.44 | greycat | donofrio__atwork: are you trying to change the hostname of your Debian system, or are you talking about entries in /etc/hosts that refer to other computers? |
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| 19:40.54 | keith4 | for pam ldap auth in Jessie, should I be using nslcd? unscd? both? (can one use both?) |
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| 19:41.56 | donofrio__atwork | greycat: I was asked to change the names of my machines that are on the network, I picoed the file but do not know if scanned if that hostname will show the change without restarting? |
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| 19:42.00 | Ynnaf | ,v gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg |
| 19:42.01 | judd | Package: gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.10.10-1; squeeze-backports: 0.10.12-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 0.10.13-5; wheezy-multimedia: 1:0.10.13-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.10.13-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:0.10.13-dmo2 |
| 19:42.07 | greycat | donofrio__atwork: *what file* |
| 19:42.16 | donofrio__atwork | greycat: /etc/hostname |
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| 19:42.48 | greycat | donofrio__atwork: that is the hostname of the computer you are using right now, and if you want the hostname to actually change in real-time, you have to run "hostname newname" as a command. |
| 19:43.10 | donofrio__atwork | greycat: gonna try that now tnx |
| 19:43.17 | greycat | Also note that you probably want to ensure the new hostname exists in /etc/hosts as well. |
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| 19:43.54 | donofrio__atwork | good point I'll update that....anywhere else? |
| 19:43.59 | greycat | There may be other places to change the hostname also, but those would all be application-specific. |
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| 19:44.44 | donofrio__atwork | greycat: yah only looking for OS hostname changes files - tnx again |
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| 19:45.44 | karlpinc | donofrio__atwork: Sounds like what you really want to change is dns. Since that's what serves names to a network.... |
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| 19:46.07 | greycat | I think his short-term goal is to change the hostname of a running Debian system. For whatever reason. |
| 19:46.08 | dontknow | Ynnaf, jessie doesn'rt use ffmpeg anymore |
| 19:46.29 | greycat | Changing the hostname of a running system doesn't necessarily involve a change to DNS, but it might. |
| 19:46.31 | karlpinc | greycat: Sure. But that will change the name on the box, but not on the network. He mentioned the network, so.... |
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| 19:46.37 | Ynnaf | dontknow: seel that subtitleeditor does still want to use ffmpeg... |
| 19:46.44 | greycat | It's really super unclear what he's doing or why. |
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| 19:47.12 | karlpinc | greycat: Maybe best to investigate goals first. Ye-olde-xy problem. ;-) |
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| 19:48.54 | donofrio__atwork | greycat: they are doing corp sweep of the network, my boxes - http://apaste.info/upload/sUr.jpg are all using my name and system1 2 or 3, they said these hosts are corp assets and need me to change the hostname to xxxx-xxxxxx so that is why I asked.... |
| 19:49.11 | karlpinc | greycat: (Of course the person who's telling him that "buggertheboss" is a hostname that should be changed probably also does not know what he's asking to be done either. :-) |
| 19:49.39 | greycat | Oh gods, it's another screenshot person. And this one's also a pico user. :-/ |
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| 19:50.13 | donofrio__atwork | yah I was questiing that as well epecally when they said splunk was doing the scan's and I'm like you mean Nexxis but they said no splunk - I just stopped talking at that point |
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| 19:56.43 | jhutchins | Repeating "99" on a reboot is a failed drive, right? |
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| 20:01.16 | donofrio__atwork | jhutchins: sounds like bad lilo? (everyone uses grub2 nowadays fwiw) |
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| 20:16.30 | marc__ | hey guys, yesterday i tried to install d8.3 xfce via live usb using the graphical installer... at some point i shut down the laptop because every few seconds the network manager wanted to re-establish my wifi connection. is that normal? |
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| 20:20.05 | w0bni | I ran apt-get source to get the source code of a package, and it gave me three files (diff, orig, dsc) in addition to a folder containing what seems to be source files |
| 20:20.22 | greycat | w0bni: next step: dpkg-source -x foobar.dsc |
| 20:20.23 | w0bni | https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.source-package-structure.html doesn't mention said source file folder thing |
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| 20:20.39 | greycat | oh, if you already have the folder, then you have done the extraction step. |
| 20:20.43 | w0bni | hmm |
| 20:20.50 | w0bni | I could have sworn I didn't have an -x |
| 20:21.02 | w0bni | but okay, dpkg-source -x foobar.dsc would create the folder full of source files? |
| 20:21.03 | greycat | maybe apt-get source does that for you |
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| 20:21.26 | w0bni | is there a specific structure to the folder I just extracted? |
| 20:21.30 | w0bni | and is it called something? |
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| 20:22.07 | greycat | man page says "If --download-only is specified then the source package will not be unpacked." I guess that's a roundabout way of saying "the source is unpacked by default" |
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| 20:22.17 | khazakar_ | Hi all. How to automount any usb device without file-manager-specific things? GFVS don't work,usbmount mounts my ntfs-formatted penrdive,but after few seconds It's unaccesible |
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| 20:22.32 | w0bni | greycat: cool, that makes sense |
| 20:22.43 | khazakar_ | s/penrdive/pendrive |
| 20:22.49 | w0bni | so that source package is orig with diff file applied? |
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| 20:22.58 | greycat | yes |
| 20:23.15 | w0bni | okay! |
| 20:23.27 | w0bni | and then I can create a .deb file from the source folder I extracted? |
| 20:23.36 | w0bni | (and, is there a specific structure to the source folder?) |
| 20:23.39 | greycat | Yes, if you have installed all of the build-dependencies. |
| 20:23.42 | jhutchins | donofrio__atwork: COuld be lilo, it's old enough. |
| 20:24.14 | greycat | "Structure" is "there is a debian/ subdirectory with specific files in it" |
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| 20:27.09 | jhutchins | donofrio__atwork: I fought using grub instead of lilo for years and finally gave up. |
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| 20:28.54 | w0bni | greycat: yeah, I noticed the debian subdirectory |
| 20:29.25 | w0bni | and patches seem to contain specific debian patches? |
| 20:29.28 | w0bni | debian specific* |
| 20:30.01 | greycat | !package basics |
| 20:30.02 | dpkg | "Basics of the Debian package management system" is a chapter of the Debian GNU/Linux <FAQ>, which describes the Debian package format. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics . To create your own Debian packages, ask me about <nmg>. |
| 20:30.23 | greycat | may or may not be the best entry point for learning this stuff, dunno. |
| 20:30.58 | w0bni | greycat: thanks! |
| 20:31.25 | w0bni | my original case here is "I think a file in debian/patches causes a bug, now I want to build the package without said file to prove it!" |
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| 20:31.35 | w0bni | but then I realized I might as well learn some basics! |
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| 20:33.27 | donofrio__atwork | jhutchins: others will be able to speak to this better but as far as i know lilo fragile and grub2 works great |
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| 20:42.51 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 20:43.25 | rysiek|pl | here's a funky question -- how do I remove the kernel I am running on currently? it's on a server, I tried https://wiki.debian.org/GrubReboot to a different kernel to no avail |
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| 20:44.03 | rysiek|pl | alternatively, how do I rebuild grub in a way that it ignores the current running kernel, and boots directly to a different one |
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| 20:47.23 | frostschutz | rysiek|pl, uh... is it a vserver that does not let you run your own kernel? |
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| 20:48.29 | teraflops | rysiek|pl: openvz? you can't |
| 20:51.40 | Riverside | I just want to say frostschutz is awesome!!! I've been stuck with this LVM issue for a while and it's now solved. Thank you!!! |
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| 20:52.38 | kmq | I'm trying to get remote-unlock fde via dropbear going. Is there a way to save the initramfs logs to the /boot partition? |
| 20:53.24 | kmq | I know I can add the "debug" parameter to the kernel command line, but that tries to write to /run, and since / is encrypted that doesn't really work |
| 20:53.27 | jhutchins | donofrio__atwork: I always found lilo extremely robust. I liked and used it's ability to be given non-default parameters for use only on this reboot. |
| 20:53.51 | greycat | grub can do that too |
| 20:53.52 | jhutchins | donofrio__atwork: THe main complaint was that you had to run lilo after making any changes. These days we run update-grub and nobody complains. |
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| 20:55.16 | donofrio__atwork | jhutchins: yep and on ppc when you make changes to yaboot you need to rerun ybin but oh well was just trying to help |
| 20:55.17 | frostschutz | kmq, the initramfs would have to mount the /boot partition which is usually not done... it's possible but unless someone else did it before you, you might have to figure it out on your own |
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| 20:55.53 | kmq | I was afraid of that :-) |
| 20:57.12 | frostschutz | kmq, my server unlocks itself using a key/hash based on cpu, ram, mac address ... so no need for dropbear in my case, and someone who just walks along the rack and pops the disks out will not be able to access the data. |
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| 20:58.08 | kmq | but they will be able to copy your boot partition, run your keygen script and then unlock your partition |
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| 20:58.42 | greycat | Only if they know the MAC addr, etc. of the box they stole it from. I believe. |
| 20:58.44 | kmq | but point taken, I might be complicating things |
| 20:58.45 | frostschutz | if they take the whole server along with it - yes. depends on your use case |
| 20:59.43 | kmq | I'm trying to keep the luks keyfile and header off of the server... |
| 20:59.54 | kmq | except for when it's needed to unlock |
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| 21:03.36 | jhutchins | donofrio__atwork: I think you may be right that it's lilo. In any case, dead disk, physical access required to fix. |
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| 21:15.04 | rico_ | hi there |
| 21:15.07 | donofrio__atwork | jhutchins: bring livedvd/usb with you to mount and repair if able to be....happy hunting |
| 21:16.00 | jhutchins | We're probably going to virtualize it. |
| 21:16.14 | rysiek|pl | frostschutz, teraflops: nope, a physical remote dedicated server |
| 21:16.15 | jhutchins | donofrio__atwork: Original build ca 2003. |
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| 21:16.45 | rysiek|pl | frostschutz, teraflops: it's just weird, I should be able to boot into the other kernel with grub-reboot or grub-set-default |
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| 21:16.54 | rysiek|pl | frostschutz, teraflops: but nope. |
| 21:17.20 | donofrio__atwork | jhutchins: still need live session to root mount the volume to reinstall lilo if that is what you need....just helpin take care, like I said I know less and less each day I walk this erath, others here know much moar |
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| 21:23.37 | teraflops | rysiek|pl: i don't know if it's related yo your issue but sounds similar https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1102925 |
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| 21:24.13 | teraflops | yo/to |
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| 21:25.20 | rysiek|pl | teraflops: I do have GRUB_DEFAULT=saved in my /etc/defaults/grub file |
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| 21:26.03 | deb88 | Hi, can anyone recommend virtualization software to use on debian? For use of a guest on the same machine. I tried kvm, but the mouse/graphics are very laggy. Not sure if this is normal or not. Xen? Or fall back on vmware? |
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| 21:27.03 | zortein | can anyone suggest a package manager other than muon to be run under kde? |
| 21:27.14 | greycat | ... huh? |
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| 21:29.00 | Aorious | deb88: Not sure about your use case but I check the software I write work on windows using VirtualBox. |
| 21:29.12 | zortein | i am on debian stretch/plasma, muon opens but its screen is mostly blank, can you suggest something else to install instead of muon? |
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| 21:30.16 | deb88 | for windows guest occasionally, but mostly for debian guest. thought virtualbox was only for windows host? |
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| 21:30.24 | teraflops | deb88: out of curiosity which are the hw specs on the host machine and which OS(es) did you try? |
| 21:31.07 | deb88 | older quad core machine with older discrete graphics and tried up to 3GB of 8 ram. |
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| 21:32.14 | deb88 | tried debian on debian and win7 on debian. lag is maybe one second, typing is difficult. |
| 21:32.25 | Fox682 | VBox does everything for me |
| 21:32.37 | Fox682 | only haven't tried BSD on it. I have it right now. Runs XP and Win7 just fine. |
| 21:32.51 | khazakar_ | Any advice to have any usb storage automounted without DE and/or filemanager like pcmanfm? |
| 21:32.54 | teraflops | deb88: hmm no idea, debian guests with 1 core and 1,5GB of ram just fly here with qemu-kvm (i5 laptop 4GB ram) |
| 21:33.19 | khazakar_ | I need this for my server,which runs owncloud,lighttpd and Kodi |
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| 21:33.42 | Fox682 | hell, I have a single core machine that runs multiple VMs no issues there. lol |
| 21:33.50 | teraflops | heh |
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| 21:34.18 | deb88 | teraflops: did you do anything special after installation? install any guest additions? I've tried all the defaults re. graphics, no better. |
| 21:34.38 | deb88 | all the options i mean. |
| 21:35.05 | teraflops | deb88: nope it's kvm, well I pick virtIO for almost the storage |
| 21:35.26 | wewlad | is there a way to use netstat to list the listening sockets of a specific program (apache)? |
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| 21:36.15 | teraflops | deb88: what do you mean by kvm, specifically, qemu? gnome boxes? libvirtd ...? |
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| 21:37.01 | deb88 | default video was qml with 64MB graphics i think, other options had much lower amount of ram. Maybe video card not properly recognized? |
| 21:37.04 | deb88 | http://www.linux-kvm.org |
| 21:37.18 | greycat | wewlad: lsof -n -p "$pid" | grep TCP |
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| 21:37.51 | teraflops | deb88: what's that? what debian packages did you install |
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| 21:38.56 | deb88 | packages were qemu-kvm libvirt-bin and the graphical manager |
| 21:40.03 | markybob | deb88, that site gives me 503 Service Unavailable |
| 21:40.14 | wewlad | greycat: this seems to output nothing, if I replace $pid with the pid of apache2 main process |
| 21:40.23 | wewlad | I also tried it's sub-processes' pids |
| 21:40.28 | deb88 | yes, just saw that too. Normally it's ok. |
| 21:40.35 | teraflops | deb88: you mean virt-manager? |
| 21:40.38 | deb88 | https://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
| 21:40.50 | greycat | wewlad: you're doing it as root, right? |
| 21:40.57 | wewlad | greycat: yes |
| 21:40.59 | deb88 | teraflops: yes, think so. |
| 21:41.29 | greycat | arc3:/# lsof -n -p 709 | grep TCP |
| 21:41.29 | greycat | apache2 709 root 4u IPv6 16517 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) |
| 21:41.48 | greycat | hmm, wonder why -n isn't suppressing that "http" there... |
| 21:42.04 | wewlad | oh, forgot about case sensitivity, sorry |
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| 21:42.09 | wewlad | now it works, thanks |
| 21:42.11 | greycat | ah, need -P too |
| 21:42.12 | teraflops | deb88: hmm it works fine here, I prefer access the windows hosts via rdesktop since they perform better (graphics) |
| 21:43.01 | deb88 | I'll try install it on another machine. |
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| 21:44.30 | teraflops | deb88: or try something lighter(?), I like qemu-kvm and accesing the machines via spice |
| 21:44.49 | teraflops | ... or rdesktop for the M$ ones |
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| 21:45.15 | Fox682 | ooh ooh, could use NX client/server for the linux guis, i think. I havent tried that one yet |
| 21:45.59 | deb88 | thought kvm was light lol. qemu-kvm is the same thing, is it not? but you use rdesktop? |
| 21:46.41 | Fox682 | sounds like it runs the machines head-less |
| 21:47.02 | Fox682 | i can do the same thing in VBox, set it up, run the box headless |
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| 21:48.19 | deb88 | maybe that's it then- not suited. liked the idea of using scripts to run the virtual machine manager instead of a gui. |
| 21:48.25 | wewlad | something's wrong with wget: it just stalled first time I tried it, then I ctrl+C'ed it and retried. It downloaded the fole okay but the progressbar was shown like this: https://i.imgur.com/YzOUoet.png |
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| 21:49.36 | Sokomine | hi. i've got a strange problem: i want to connect to a server using public key authentification. trouble is: the private key can be decrypted with the passphrase, but it doesn't help in order to get a connection; the key does not seem to work. strangely enough, a putty user *can* successfully access the server |
| 21:49.41 | teraflops | deb88: yeah that's why i said lighter(?) |
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| 21:50.23 | wewlad | how to force debian to update the system time? it lives in a VM and I usually load it from a snapshot, so it lives in past now |
| 21:50.35 | Sokomine | the server owner says he's got no clue. the logfile on the server doesn't print out anything helpful |
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| 21:51.01 | Sokomine | wewlad: i usually use ntpdate 0.de.pool.ntp.org |
| 21:51.14 | kmq | Sokomine: why is it a trouble that the private key can be decrypted ? |
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| 21:51.47 | Sokomine | kmq: that's no trouble. it just indicates that the key can be accessed and the passphrase is not mistyped. but there's no connection established :-( |
| 21:51.54 | deb88 | looking into it earlier, thought that kvm was the preferred solution since it was built into the kernel etc. etc. But wasn't sure about the graphics and so far not so great for that. |
| 21:51.54 | wewlad | Sokomine: how to display the currently used NTP server? |
| 21:52.03 | teraflops | wewlad: jessie? |
| 21:52.04 | greycat | wewlad: if it's in certain kinds of VM, you *can't*. |
| 21:52.15 | wewlad | teraflops: debian8 |
| 21:52.22 | wewlad | I guess it's jessie, yeah |
| 21:52.35 | Sokomine | wewlad: i don't know. that command is for manual use |
| 21:52.37 | greycat | wewlad: which VM is it? |
| 21:52.39 | teraflops | wewlad: `sudo systemctl enable systemd-timesyncd.service` |
| 21:52.41 | jhutchins | wewlad: ntp should be configured to allow any size adjustment when it starts. |
| 21:52.46 | wewlad | greycat: VirtualBox under Win7 |
| 21:52.52 | greycat | *jawdrop* |
| 21:52.57 | greycat | oh... oh my god. |
| 21:52.59 | teraflops | wait |
| 21:53.02 | jhutchins | wewlad: If nothing else, run ntpd on the VHost and connect to tahat. |
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| 21:53.14 | jhutchins | s/tahat/that/ |
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| 21:53.17 | Sokomine | kmq: i only get a Permission denied (publickey). |
| 21:53.58 | wewlad | greycat: ? |
| 21:54.35 | jhutchins | wewlad: The "old" solution would have been to script ntpdate to run at startup, but ntp can handle it now. |
| 21:54.40 | wewlad | Sokomine: ntpdate: command not found |
| 21:54.49 | Sokomine | kmh: and a "debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey" after that. if other keys are available, they're tried as well. the server owner insists that my public key has been installed correctly. though he can't connect using linux either. the putty he's using formats the key a bit diffrently |
| 21:54.58 | teraflops | wewlad: systemd-timesyncd.service is fine for a VM |
| 21:55.26 | jhutchins | wewlad: As root? |
| 21:55.26 | greycat | I googled "virtualbox clock sync" and the results are amusing if you're not actually faced with FIXING a problem yourself. |
| 21:55.28 | Sokomine | wewlad: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 21:55.31 | wewlad | jhutchins: yeah |
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| 21:55.52 | greycat | I'm still quite stunned by "... under Win7" |
| 21:56.06 | teraflops | greycat: well at least is not xp |
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| 21:56.28 | wewlad | Sokomine: how do I make KDE hook onto the new time? |
| 21:56.41 | jhutchins | wewlad: You could install it, but you really want ntp. |
| 21:56.47 | wewlad | greycat: where else would I use it? |
| 21:57.03 | wewlad | jhutchins: ntp: command not found |
| 21:57.11 | wewlad | so I don't care what to install... |
| 21:57.14 | Sokomine | wewlad: that command updates the time by contacting an ntp (time) server and setting the system time. but teraflops might be correct |
| 21:57.35 | teraflops | Sokomine: might? thanks :P |
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| 21:58.05 | Sokomine | teraflops: i'm not that deep into vms :) just using them occasionally |
| 21:58.32 | wewlad | there's no such a service, as teraflops named |
| 21:58.33 | teraflops | Sokomine: nah i was joking sorry |
| 21:59.02 | teraflops | wewlad: I have it in my jessie machines ^ |
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| 21:59.38 | wewlad | teraflops: I mean I enabled it in systemctl, but then 'services --status-all' doesn't list it |
| 21:59.44 | jhutchins | teraflops: ntpdate isn't a standard package any more. It's essentially deprecated, all of it's functions have been merged into ntpd. |
| 22:00.00 | greycat | This stuff is weird and I don't understand it. My VPS is OpenVZ and I literally *cannot* change the time at all. It's straight from the host. Only the host OS can set the time. |
| 22:00.12 | jhutchins | teraflops: ntpdate is not a service, it's a one-shot program. |
| 22:00.24 | greycat | So when I see google answers like "VirtualBox: How to sync host and guest time?" it's confusing to me. |
| 22:00.46 | jhutchins | greycat: But it's on the interwebs! It must be real! |
| 22:01.55 | greycat | I guess virtualbox its own virtualclock that it can set independently of the host OS's clock. |
| 22:01.56 | teraflops | jhutchins: im talking about systemd-timesyncd.service |
| 22:02.38 | greycat | I think the systemd time sync stuff is only on my default in stretch/sid. Yes? |
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| 22:02.49 | jhutchins | ,v ntp |
| 22:02.51 | judd | Package: ntp on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1; squeeze-security-lts: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+deb6u4; wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u6; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u6; jessie-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u1; jessie: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u1; stretch: 1:4.2.8p4+dfsg-3+b1; sid: 1:4.2.8p4+dfsg-3+b1 |
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| 22:03.46 | wewlad | kde hooked up new time after a few minutes |
| 22:04.12 | svetlana | what do you mean? |
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| 22:04.29 | wewlad | I mean that after changing the system time KDE showed old time for some time |
| 22:04.32 | teraflops | greycat: it's in stable |
| 22:04.41 | greycat | I'm hoping he means "I saw a new time in my KDE clock app" and not "KDE is doing its own clock management" |
| 22:04.51 | greycat | teraflops: but it's not *active* in stable by default, right? |
| 22:04.59 | wewlad | yeah, I mean KDE clock |
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| 22:05.15 | teraflops | greycat: ah right, isn't activated by default |
| 22:05.23 | wewlad | sorry, I don't know the whole hierarchy behind the DEs |
| 22:06.41 | andril | hello |
| 22:07.17 | Sokomine | i'm still puzzled why the ssh connection cannot be established |
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| 22:08.27 | kmq | Sokomine: I was off for a bit, so I didn't see: Turning on logging didn't help? |
| 22:08.32 | teraflops | Sokomine: tried trowing -vvv to the ssh command? |
| 22:08.42 | teraflops | throwing* |
| 22:08.45 | Sokomine | even threw -vT at it (at least on my side) |
| 22:09.00 | kmq | ... or maybe my original comment didn't go through ... |
| 22:09.03 | kmq | Sokomine: try this (first man ssh_config to read all the options for LogLevel): ssh -o LogLevel=DEBUG user@server |
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| 22:09.31 | Sokomine | kmq: on client or server? |
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| 22:09.45 | kmq | on the client that you're trying to ssh from |
| 22:09.51 | teraflops | im pretty sure he means the client |
| 22:11.07 | Sokomine | kmq: hm. no really helpful further information. the passphrase for the key gets asked, i enter it, it gets accepted; and then we end with debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey debug1: No more authentication methods to try. Permission denied (publickey). |
| 22:11.28 | Sokomine | (that is, the passphrase gets accepted) |
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| 22:11.56 | kmq | you can try DEBUG3 ... |
| 22:11.58 | wewlad | eh, can't install vbox guess additions... |
| 22:12.05 | wewlad | can't find them in the repos |
| 22:12.24 | wewlad | but vbox provides a way to install them by mounting a virtual cd with them |
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| 22:12.29 | markybob | ,v virtualbox-guest-additions-iso |
| 22:12.30 | judd | Package: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 4.1.18-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 4.3.18-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 4.3.18-3; stretch/non-free: 5.0.14-1; sid/non-free: 5.0.14-1 |
| 22:13.16 | wewlad | markybob: damn it, how did you find it? I tried 'aptitude search virtualbox' and it returned nothing |
| 22:13.17 | Sokomine | wewlad: try /usr/share/virtualbox/VBoxGuestAdditions.iso |
| 22:13.39 | wewlad | Sokomine: nah, it's mounted to /media/cdrom/ and /media/cdrom0/ |
| 22:13.42 | markybob | wewlad, i use virtualbox. just had that in the old brain |
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| 22:14.14 | rainfyre | wewlad: i use it too, iirc you have to mount the guest additions iso in the guest machine right? |
| 22:14.22 | TomTomTosch | wewlad, then you probably had a typo :P |
| 22:14.32 | rysiek|pl | well, I think I know why I can't tell my grub2 boot the given kernel |
| 22:14.33 | wewlad | TomTomTosch: nope |
| 22:14.36 | wewlad | just re-tried |
| 22:14.48 | rysiek|pl | basically, gthe kernels are in "Advanced options for"... submenu in Grub |
| 22:14.49 | Sokomine | kmq: after entering the passphrase: debug3: sign_and_send_pubkey: RSA (fingerprint) debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply debug1: No more authentication methods to try. |
| 22:14.52 | wewlad | https://i.imgur.com/4898eFy.png |
| 22:15.13 | wewlad | the screenshot also shows that I dunno how to run autorun.sh from the cd... |
| 22:15.24 | wewlad | probably 'sh autorun.sh' |
| 22:15.35 | jhutchins | ,v virtualbox |
| 22:15.36 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u5; squeeze-backports: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.32-dfsg-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.32-dfsg-1+deb8u2; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates/contrib: |
| 22:15.37 | judd | 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.0.14-dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 5.0.14-dfsg-2+b1; sid/contrib: 5.0.14-dfsg-2+b1 |
| 22:16.15 | rainfyre | wewlad: do you have contrib and non-free repos enabled? |
| 22:16.36 | rainfyre | and it's ./media/cdrom/autorun.sh i believe |
| 22:16.55 | wewlad | rainfyre: nope, are those non-free? |
| 22:16.59 | wewlad | I thought vbox is free |
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| 22:17.25 | markybob | wewlad, guest additions are non-free |
| 22:17.25 | rainfyre | wewlad: dunno but I've used vbox in debian for years and aptitude always finds it, and I have those repos enabled |
| 22:17.26 | wewlad | but, whatever, that's linux and things don't have to be logical... |
| 22:17.46 | lrvick | Hey all I am trying to figure out why bootstrap-vz hates me: http://pastie.org/pastes/10718542/text?key=nleyhcmsr8wcmrxtofow |
| 22:17.49 | lrvick | any ideas? |
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| 22:18.38 | jhutchins | wewlad: Try aptitude search virtualbox. I think you'll see what you're looking for. |
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| 22:19.19 | jhutchins | wewlad: Things do indeed have to be logical. They don't have to be rational, but always logical. |
| 22:19.27 | wewlad | jhutchins: I did so |
| 22:19.38 | wewlad | I've shown the screenshot already, it returned 0 results |
| 22:19.50 | jhutchins | wewlad: I get 11 results. |
| 22:19.53 | markybob | wewlad, probably because you lacked non-free in sources-list |
| 22:19.58 | wewlad | turns out rainfyre and markybob were right, I needed contrib non-free |
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| 22:20.08 | wewlad | thanks, pals |
| 22:21.00 | kmq | Sokomine: what's the complete "Permission Denied" error message you're getting ? |
| 22:22.35 | rainfyre | wewlad: yay! |
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| 22:25.09 | Sokomine | kmq: just "Permission denied (publickey)." after all authentication methods (including the designated key) didn't get the client any further |
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| 22:26.09 | svetlana | Sokomine: check sshd logs. are perms on ~/.ssh/authorized_keys okay? |
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| 22:27.33 | Sokomine | svetlana: yes, they are: -rw------- ownername ownername authorized_keys (for the correct ownername). asked the server owner already to paste me that |
| 22:27.35 | kmq | and did you doublecheck that authorized_keys contains the correct public key ? |
| 22:28.02 | Sokomine | kmq: by now, i'm no longer sure of that since we tried diffrent versions |
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| 22:29.45 | svetlana | Sokomine: not all of these are needed to blindly copy, but see http://dpaste.com/0DXMCB5.txt, and I think you need to allow the sshd user to read the file. you currently do not. |
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| 22:30.33 | Sokomine | svetlana: oh, hm, sure? |
| 22:30.48 | wewlad | -.- |
| 22:30.56 | cluelessperson | Can someone help me understand why the hell I can't exit out of this chroot? Specifically, when I try to umount /proc I get 'proc is busy' |
| 22:30.57 | cluelessperson | http://dpaste.com/0TNPF4J |
| 22:31.04 | wewlad | is vbox installed by default on debian? |
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| 22:31.10 | cluelessperson | I have to restart my machine |
| 22:31.11 | Sokomine | does sshd really need explicit permissions there? |
| 22:31.12 | cluelessperson | so far |
| 22:31.23 | wewlad | or do virtualbox guest additions also install virtualbox itself? |
| 22:31.45 | wewlad | I just installed them and the date is still wrong |
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| 22:34.17 | kmq | Sokomine: pretty sure sshd doesn't |
| 22:34.34 | kmq | but double check that you have the correct public key in it |
| 22:34.36 | wewlad | teraflops: hey, what am I supposed to do with systemd-timesyncd.service after I enabled it in systemctl? |
| 22:35.14 | kmq | you mentioned putty earlier, putty uses a different format from ssh, so make sure it's in the right format as well |
| 22:35.29 | wewlad | teraflops: I guess it's controlled via 'timedatectl' |
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| 22:36.05 | teraflops | wewlad: you start it or reboot the machine |
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| 22:36.24 | teraflops | since enable does not meant start |
| 22:36.26 | wewlad | teraflops: but it's not in the list of services 'service --status-all' |
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| 22:36.46 | svetlana | Sokomine: sshd needs to be able to read that file, and its user is different, it's not you... let me know if that helps... the sshd logs should also state the same for you I think. |
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| 22:38.00 | Sokomine | svetlana: yes. sadly, i've no direct access to those logs. need to talk to the server owner and get him to check it... |
| 22:38.22 | svetlana | Sokomine: can you just chmod your own file for starters and see if it starts working? |
| 22:39.16 | wewlad | teraflops: 'timedatectl set-ntp true' enables ntp, but doesn't sync it, mans don't say how to force it to sync :-/ |
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| 22:40.24 | Sokomine | svetlana: my own file? you mean ssh into my own server and check if it works there? hmm. that might be an approach |
| 22:40.37 | Sokomine | but i havn't really set up my ssh server for that... |
| 22:41.01 | teraflops | wewlad: idk what are you doing |
| 22:41.08 | svetlana | Sokomine: if you can't ssh to the server from the outside the normal way, I would chmod the file from the console |
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| 22:41.41 | teraflops | Sokomine: checked the permission on the files inside ~/.ssh and the directory itself? |
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| 22:42.16 | teraflops | 600 for the files 700 for the dir |
| 22:42.19 | kmq | Sokomine, svetlana : permissions need to be 600 (-rw-------) http://www.openssh.com/faq.html#3.14 |
| 22:42.27 | Sokomine | teraflops: those looked fine. i asked for a paste of that directory |
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| 22:43.08 | wewlad | teraflops: 'systemd-timesyncd' is a service that's controlled via 'timedatectl' command, so I man'ed it and googled it and all I found is 'timedatectl set-ntp true' to (I quoute) "activate and run service 'systemd-timesyncd'" |
| 22:43.15 | teraflops | Sokomine: ah sorry i just reconnected and have no buffer history |
| 22:43.19 | wewlad | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-timesyncd_%28Ð ÑÑÑкий%29 |
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| 22:43.31 | wewlad | I mean https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd-timesyncd |
| 22:43.48 | teraflops | wewlad: again, systemctl start systemd-timesyncd is fin |
| 22:43.50 | teraflops | fine |
| 22:44.06 | teraflops | or just reboot to be sure it syncs |
| 22:44.22 | svetlana | kmq: that's odd, not what i have... then i recommend Sokomine to debug it with sshd logs instead of listening to my ramblings |
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| 22:44.34 | wewlad | to reboot is to forfeit |
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| 22:45.03 | teraflops | wewlad: sorry im just confused, did you started it? |
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| 22:46.29 | teraflops | start* sorry my english is a bit much crap |
| 22:47.34 | wewlad | teraflops: it worked once |
| 22:47.49 | wewlad | worked now again, thanks |
| 22:47.57 | teraflops | np |
| 22:48.04 | wewlad | turns out I shouldn't read mans |
| 22:48.12 | markybob | heh |
| 22:48.47 | wewlad | or maybe it's just archwiki's solutions don't work for debian |
| 22:49.13 | teraflops | wewlad: it does, but you overthought the issue |
| 22:49.28 | teraflops | wewlad: just enable it and start it |
| 22:49.29 | andril | i got a n00b question? are PPA's good or bad for Debian |
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| 22:49.51 | markybob | andril, terrible, generally |
| 22:49.54 | wewlad | andril: they are aliens for debian |
| 22:50.16 | teraflops | !frankendebian |
| 22:50.16 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 22:50.20 | wewlad | teraflops: okay, why's it not listed in a 'service --status-all'? |
| 22:50.29 | andril | thanks markybob |
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| 22:50.41 | andril | cool wewlad |
| 22:51.27 | Sokomine | kmh, teraflops: success! at least after all these checks (and exchanging a new key), it turned out that it does work now. i mistyped my username during the last tries (but not before that) |
| 22:52.34 | teraflops | Sokomine: well at least it works now |
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| 22:52.59 | teraflops | wewlad: what is that "service --status-all"? |
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| 22:53.44 | wewlad | are you kidding me? I'm the noob here. It's a command that's supposed to list all services with their statuses. |
| 22:54.24 | teraflops | wewlad: no, it's not systemd related command right? |
| 22:54.54 | wewlad | oh, so systemd's services are special? okay. |
| 22:55.23 | somiaj | What do you I need to do to allow a normal user to open a port (port 443 in paticular)? |
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| 22:55.50 | Sokomine | teraflops: yes :-) maybe it got fixed with any of these tries in the meantime, but the confusion with diffrent keys and typo took time |
| 22:55.52 | wewlad | somiaj: give him root |
| 22:55.55 | teraflops | wewlad: idk if they are special the special one is debian doing sysvinit compatibilite and a clusterfuck of symlinks |
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| 22:56.26 | teraflops | wewlad: so i don't really know |
| 22:56.38 | somiaj | wewlad: what do you mean by that. I just want to give permisions to this user (I don't want to run this app as root). I also don't want to run it on a port > 1000 |
| 22:58.06 | khazakar_ | Hi again! How Debian(Linux generally)/X holds connecting PC to old CRT TV through SCART/Composite? |
| 22:58.11 | markybob | somiaj, setcap 'cap_net_bind_service=+ep' /path/to/program |
| 22:58.20 | ec0 | somiaj, ^^^ |
| 22:58.51 | wewlad | what's wrong with my wget? https://i.imgur.com/HUvjq52.png |
| 22:58.54 | ec0 | you can also run the app on a port > 1000 and then use iptables to forward the port from 443 if you don't want to use setcap |
| 22:59.22 | markybob | good point |
| 22:59.35 | ec0 | setcap is neater, though. |
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| 23:00.35 | teraflops | somiaj: for port < 1024 you need root, just check it with netcat, netcat -l 4444 vs netcat -l 443 as user |
| 23:01.19 | somiaj | teraflops: Yea, I got that, was wondering if there was a nice way to allow me to run as nonroot (it is a sagemath server and I don't want to run that as root, but I would prefer to put it on port 443) |
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| 23:02.02 | teraflops | setcap as ec0 said |
| 23:02.13 | markybob | teraflops, that's what i said :P |
| 23:02.15 | markybob | damnit |
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| 23:02.52 | nezZario | Uhh is there not a mount.vfat in testing ? |
| 23:03.15 | ec0 | yep, markybob had it |
| 23:03.29 | somiaj | markybob: thanks, now to track down what binary I need to apply that too. Applying it to the main sage binary did not work. Also would I do setcap 'cap_net_bind_service=-ep' /opt/sagemath/sage to undo that change? |
| 23:04.30 | nezZario | Nevermind.. :( I've had this problem now .. for ages .. I even upgraded *to* testing in hopes I'd remedy it.. |
| 23:05.48 | nezZario | Check this out -- this is what has happened when I try to load the vfat module for ages: http://paste.debian.net/380078/ |
| 23:06.11 | wewlad | hey, tar usually unpacks the contents of the archive into the current folder (if no out path is specified), what's the easy way to make it unpack the contents of the archive into a folder (named as the archive but without extensions like .tar.gz) that should get automatically created in the current folder? |
| 23:06.16 | wewlad | a script or something |
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| 23:07.19 | ec0 | wewlad, you can add -C foldername to make it extract to a specific folder |
| 23:07.22 | nezZario | wewlad: a .bashrc entry would probably be appropriate for something like that. I can't write it off the top of my head for you, but it should be simple |
| 23:07.34 | svetlana | for me tar extracts into a folder like you want by default |
| 23:07.43 | wewlad | thx, guys |
| 23:07.45 | ec0 | depends on how the archive is compressed, though. |
| 23:08.00 | wewlad | svetlana: only if the archive contains a folder with files, not just files |
| 23:08.16 | svetlana | ask your tar author to create a more useful tar, then |
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| 23:08.37 | wewlad | he's dead |
| 23:08.39 | svetlana | i use tar archives for 6 years and there was 0 times when this was not the case |
| 23:08.45 | svetlana | the current maintainer, then |
| 23:08.49 | rainfyre | wewlad: i'd just mkdir <directoryname> and cd into it and tar there |
| 23:08.58 | wewlad | rainfyre: and then cd back |
| 23:09.00 | svetlana | yes, that's what i usually do with zip files |
| 23:09.02 | wewlad | for consistency |
| 23:09.17 | rainfyre | wewlad: i just do it that way because I don't really know what i'm doing |
| 23:09.19 | wewlad | svetlana: archive type doesn't matter |
| 23:09.20 | svetlana | if you have to download the same tar archive many times and it's wrong, i would upload a fixed copy to another place, and download it from there |
| 23:09.21 | nezZario | Hey what kernel should I be using for a regular debian testing install? |
| 23:09.33 | nezZario | I think something is wonky and I'm not using the newest kernel somehow |
| 23:09.36 | svetlana | people usually don't put subdirs in zip files from what I could see |
| 23:09.43 | wewlad | rainfyre: this should be fixed once and for all |
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| 23:10.12 | wewlad | folderify(); |
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| 23:18.33 | nezZario | Why do I have two linux kernels installed? |
| 23:18.35 | nezZario | Something is really wonky |
| 23:18.45 | nezZario | I just removed vmware and xen hypervisor just in case they were causing issues |
| 23:19.05 | nezZario | But I have both 3.16.0-4 and 4.3.0-1 |
| 23:19.34 | nezZario | I'm taking a pretty wild guess and saying the issue is that I'm suppose to be using (i.e my userland is made for) 4.3.0-1 and that's why I can't load vfat |
| 23:19.45 | nezZario | uname is telling me that I'm using the 3.16 one |
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| 23:22.42 | ec0 | oh yeah, 3.16 seems pretty old. |
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| 23:22.50 | ec0 | 4.3 sounds right for testing |
| 23:22.54 | teraflops | nezZario: did you by any chance install a new kernel but didn't reboot? sorry for asking that |
| 23:23.09 | wewlad | how do I make sure mysql server is running? |
| 23:23.12 | nezZario | teraflops: nah man, this has been going on for months and months.. i just rebooted seconds ago.. |
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| 23:23.35 | nezZario | Something is definitely messed up, but I have no idea why or how to fix, it's bound determined to use this ancient kernel |
| 23:23.56 | nezZario | I just tried to apt-get remove that version of linux-image and then some prompt came up strongly urging me not to |
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| 23:24.06 | teraflops | nezZario: did you try an update-grub just for checking things |
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| 23:24.18 | ec0 | do an update-grub (assuming you're using grub) and reboot - when you reboot select the second entry in the menu - which will be something like "advanced options for debian gnu/linux" |
| 23:24.25 | ec0 | you'll be able to choose the kernel |
| 23:24.34 | ec0 | that should then be set as your default from then on |
| 23:24.40 | wewlad | http://paste.debian.net/380080/ - this is what I see when I list processes containing 'mysql' |
| 23:24.45 | nezZario | k let me try that ec0 |
| 23:24.46 | nezZario | thanks |
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| 23:25.19 | ec0 | i roll my own kernel packages and forget to clean up the old versions so I end up doing that a lot |
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| 23:25.37 | ec0 | wewlad, systemctl status mysql-server |
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| 23:26.12 | ec0 | or maybe just systemctl status mysql - can't remember if that's changed. |
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| 23:26.54 | wewlad | ec0: inactive (dead), I then run 'systemctl start mysql-server' and it says 'Failed to start mysql-server.service: Unit mysql-server.service failed to load: No such file or directory |
| 23:27.18 | ec0 | might just be mysql, let me check |
| 23:27.30 | wewlad | same error for mysql |
| 23:27.36 | wewlad | and it's also inactive (dead) |
| 23:27.48 | ec0 | systemctl | grep mysql show anything? |
| 23:28.01 | wewlad | zarro |
| 23:28.21 | wewlad | maybe I need to install some package? |
| 23:28.36 | wewlad | I'm not sure mysql-server-core-5.5 is enough |
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| 23:29.26 | ec0 | mysql-server ? |
| 23:29.37 | ec0 | as in try apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 23:29.55 | ec0 | core isn't the whole picture afaik |
| 23:30.00 | wewlad | eh |
| 23:30.05 | wewlad | you are right |
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| 23:34.12 | nezZario | Ec0 no go there something is really out of whack |
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| 23:34.49 | ec0 | are you on amd64 nezZario |
| 23:35.08 | ec0 | if so you can try apt-get install apt-get install linux-image-amd64 - which should ensure the latest kernel is properly installed |
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| 23:35.22 | ec0 | *apt-get install linux-image-amd64 |
| 23:35.37 | nezZario | At the grub menu, I have two identical options to load the 3.16 kernel, and one to load xen:S even though I thought I removed all traces of xen |
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| 23:40.21 | Filystyn | HELo |
| 23:40.23 | Filystyn | problem |
| 23:40.30 | Filystyn | There is this i neeed program to |
| 23:40.54 | Filystyn | record what is going on the deskopt so like for games and for simply catch what i do |
| 23:40.58 | Filystyn | can be 2 separate |
| 23:41.02 | Filystyn | ANYONE? |
| 23:42.08 | Filystyn | hurrryyy.... |
| 23:42.13 | bazhang | ,v kazam |
| 23:42.14 | judd | Package: kazam on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.5-1; stretch: 1.4.5-2; sid: 1.4.5-2 |
| 23:42.45 | ec0 | nezZario, what does update-grub output when you run it? |
| 23:42.49 | bazhang | what version of debian Filystyn |
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| 23:43.46 | Filystyn | bazg |
| 23:43.50 | Filystyn | Jessie 8.2 |
| 23:44.25 | bazhang | Filystyn, kazam to record your desktop |
| 23:44.42 | Filystyn | will work for games 2? |
| 23:44.57 | bazhang | should do |
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| 23:45.26 | Filystyn | Ok downloaded it i will check it tomorrow since have to go sleep |
| 23:45.33 | Filystyn | Thank you and God bless. |
| 23:45.49 | bazhang | welcome |
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| 23:57.10 | thenewone | Hi guys |
| 23:57.16 | thenewone | I can't enable iptables |
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| 23:57.54 | nick111 | Hello, is it possible to get the fuse module running on a Debian i386 install DVD? |
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| 23:58.30 | NoCode | Does Stretch use pulseaudio? |
| 23:59.39 | thenewone | guys i tryed to enable iptables with #systemctl enable iptables.service |
| 23:59.49 | thenewone | but it said this service don't existe |
| 23:59.54 | thenewone | how to enable it and thanks |
| 23:59.59 | thenewone | i already installed iptables |
