| 00:00.09 | wewlad | what's the default firewall for debian? |
| 00:00.19 | wewlad | I mean pf/fw/ipctl... |
| 00:00.28 | wewlad | pfctl* |
| 00:00.33 | nick111 | wew lad |
| 00:00.38 | nick111 | nice meme |
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| 00:00.52 | NoCode | ufw is a super simple firewall. :P |
| 00:00.58 | nick111 | pretty sure default is iptables |
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| 00:01.27 | wewlad | thx nick111 |
| 00:01.30 | nick111 | yw |
| 00:01.54 | wewlad | I wonder if pfctl the same for debian as it is for freebsd |
| 00:02.06 | wewlad | with the same commands and shit |
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| 00:05.16 | ec0 | you need to install iptables-persistent if you want to start iptables as a service |
| 00:05.33 | ec0 | depending on your version, it will be netfilter-persistent |
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| 00:05.57 | ec0 | then you get an iptables-persistent or netfilter-persistent service you can enable |
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| 00:06.07 | ec0 | your rules live in /etc/iptables/rules.v4 and .v6 |
| 00:06.50 | ec0 | and thenewone's gone |
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| 00:13.02 | nick111 | I'm installing Debian on an i386 laptop from a DVD, and I just got the wireless driver to work (ipw2200). It asks for an AP name, I select it, enter the WPA2 key, and click connect, and it just cycles back to the screen listing the AP names |
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| 00:13.16 | nick111 | The terminal sayscouldn't connect to wpasupplicant |
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| 00:13.33 | nick111 | am I missing something here? this is from the graphical install, so it should be working |
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| 00:20.52 | nick111 | anyone around? |
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| 00:22.26 | svetlana | nick111: a little. what's up? |
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| 00:24.04 | xof1s | hi, pls how to pass argument to ntpd service? (debian 8) |
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| 00:24.35 | nick111 | svetlana: Hi, I'm having trouble with WPA and the Debian installation process. |
| 00:24.45 | xof1s | I need to add '-L' to ntpd argument, but I can't find where it can be added |
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| 00:25.00 | nick111 | svetlana: I got the system to recognize my wireless card (ipw2200), but it refuses to connect to the AP I select after providing the right password |
| 00:25.27 | Brigo | nick111, i am using that driver without issues. |
| 00:25.30 | nick111 | svetlana: It just goes back to the same AP name list screen. Terminal says it can't connect to wpasupplicant -- that's the only error I'm receiving. Is this a common error? |
| 00:25.44 | nick111 | Brigo: Did you have trouble during the install process? |
| 00:26.15 | wewlad | hey, does anyone know how to configure apache2 to serve/execute php scripts? |
| 00:26.16 | Brigo | i don't use for installing, i think. I don't remember, sorry. |
| 00:26.39 | nick111 | Brigo:tjat |
| 00:26.45 | nick111 | Brigo: that's no problem, thank you anyways |
| 00:26.51 | Brigo | nick111, did you check the logs? about firmware? |
| 00:26.53 | wewlad | I probably need to configure something in the '/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/' |
| 00:27.09 | svetlana | wewlad: what php script would you like to execute? |
| 00:27.13 | Brigo | wewlad, mods-enable most likely. |
| 00:27.22 | nick111 | Brigo: yeah, logs weren't very helpful -- the only message I saw in the dmesg screen was that it couldn't connect to WPA supplicant - I might go try to do it manually |
| 00:27.24 | wewlad | svetlana: wordpress installation, index.php |
| 00:28.00 | Brigo | nick111, there is a syslog too in another virtual console. |
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| 00:28.12 | wewlad | Brigo: mods-enabled contains lots of files, could you give more details? |
| 00:28.14 | nick111 | I will check |
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| 00:29.36 | markybob | nick111, ipw2200 requires firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 00:29.48 | Brigo | wewlad, maybe you need to install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 00:29.57 | nick111 | markybob: I have that driver installed from a USB driver |
| 00:30.06 | nick111 | markybob: it seems to be some issue with WPA_Supplicant from the syslog |
| 00:30.11 | aZz7eCh | guys... still stuck on this sound crap aye ... http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=126995&sid=707c56ddcf9ca92ebbde29926155f7f8k |
| 00:30.14 | wewlad | Brigo: yeah, just googled a tutorial specifically for debian that says I need it |
| 00:30.27 | markybob | nick111, your life would probably be much easier if you just used the firmware packed installer. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 00:30.34 | Brigo | wewlad, me too :) |
| 00:30.55 | nick111 | markybob: it seems like it would run fine if I had dhclient, but this busybox prompt doesn't show there being any dhclient here for me to use.... I got wpa_supplicant to activate the WPA2 connection |
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| 00:31.04 | nick111 | markybob: is that a .deb? |
| 00:31.18 | nick111 | oh nvm |
| 00:31.20 | nick111 | just saw it :P |
| 00:31.21 | Brigo | nick111, it is a netinstall image. |
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| 00:32.17 | nick111 | Well, I installed the base from a DVD, so I'm going to try giving wpa_supplicant a try again with dhclient and other tools. If I can't get it to budge, then I'm gonna try a netinstall |
| 00:32.35 | svetlana | wewlad: err how far have you got? what does it do when you try to open the install page? |
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| 00:33.11 | markybob | nick111, no. it's an iso. an installer image. with all the firmware you need |
| 00:33.17 | svetlana | thanks Brigo |
| 00:33.29 | nick111 | markybob: thank you |
| 00:33.39 | svetlana | nick111: (if your wifi firmware is nonfree, i recommend to get another wifi card which has free firmware; it's cheap) |
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| 00:33.56 | Brigo | svetlana, for helping wewlad ? |
| 00:34.15 | nick111 | svetlana: honestly, I would just be using a different machine -- i'm using an ancient machine because im in-between jobs and it's the only thing I have. I'm using someone elses computer just to get some necessary files to get it working |
| 00:34.17 | wewlad | svetlana: thanks to Brigo & nice tutorial we both googled I now have php working |
| 00:34.19 | svetlana | Brigo: yes, and nick111, i had no clue |
| 00:34.25 | aZz7eCh | how the f**king ch**st do i f**king uninstall PULSEAUDIO without uninstalling gnome!??!?! F**k my life i cant go through another day of htis bull***t |
| 00:34.26 | nick111 | hehe its np |
| 00:34.53 | Brigo | svetlana, that's what we are here for ;) |
| 00:34.55 | nick111 | aZz7eCh: I feel your linux troubles rage, but I'm sure there's some flag you can provide to get it uninstalled properly |
| 00:35.07 | wewlad | aZz7eCh: it's linux world, you should've used by now. |
| 00:35.28 | aZz7eCh | 3 days straight trying to make sound work on a fresh install |
| 00:35.33 | nick111 | aZz7eCh: I don't know it off hand, but I'm just saying try help ease the pain :P |
| 00:35.33 | aZz7eCh | fml i'm going back to windows |
| 00:35.38 | nick111 | rip |
| 00:35.38 | nick111 | :( |
| 00:35.46 | ec0 | gross |
| 00:35.59 | svetlana | aZz7eCh: can you remove it with gnome and use another DE? |
| 00:36.03 | aZz7eCh | ONE WHOLE month i've run debian and been loving it |
| 00:36.08 | aZz7eCh | fuck my install - have to start fresh |
| 00:36.10 | svetlana | aZz7eCh: it's gnome's fault really not mine :) |
| 00:36.12 | aZz7eCh | an d now 3 day sof HELLLLLLLLLLLLLL |
| 00:36.23 | svetlana | aZz7eCh: patience sir please |
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| 00:36.40 | nlackbiggerkkk | you know why linux isn't popular? |
| 00:36.43 | aZz7eCh | i've been asking for help with it in this channel, every hour for 3 days straight ... i only get told to fuck off now. |
| 00:36.47 | aZz7eCh | so i've posted on forums |
| 00:36.57 | nlackbiggerkkk | because everyone tries to emulate linus torvalds |
| 00:36.57 | aZz7eCh | and of course.... i'll come back in am onth and see if anyone ehlped there |
| 00:37.11 | markybob | nlackbiggerkkk, it's pretty fucking popular. and no one tries that |
| 00:37.16 | nlackbiggerkkk | no they do |
| 00:37.23 | ec0 | markybob, obvious troll. |
| 00:37.47 | nlackbiggerkkk | linus torvalds is a shitty person and people try to emulate him and the linux community is filled with people who are assholes and don't share information |
| 00:38.41 | nlackbiggerkkk | if it was "pretty fucking popular" then how come pretty much no one outside of dweeb circles uses it? |
| 00:38.58 | ec0 | aZz7eCh, if you're having trouble with pulseaudio, uninstalling it probably won't help. A lot of things (gnome for example) require it for sound. I've been using XFCE which doesn't depend on it, but works a lot better with it. |
| 00:39.15 | Brigo | nlackbiggerkkk, you are offtopic |
| 00:39.18 | ec0 | You're getting no sound, or just in some programs? |
| 00:39.18 | Brigo | !offtopic |
| 00:39.18 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 00:39.47 | aZz7eCh | eco. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=126995&sid=707c56ddcf9ca92ebbde29926155f7f8 |
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| 00:40.47 | markybob | aZz7eCh, oh i remember you now. that's weird. |
| 00:40.49 | wewlad | is this okay if I bother this channel a bit more with my attempts to install wordpress? |
| 00:40.49 | wewlad | so step 6 https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/install-apache-with-php-and-mysql-lamp-on-debian-jessie/ here says I need 'php5-mysql' package, which I installed, but visiting localhost redirects me to ~/wp-admin/setup-config.php url and the page says 'Your PHP installation appears to be missing the MySQL extension which is required by WP' |
| 00:40.51 | wewlad | what do I do? |
| 00:41.21 | aZz7eCh | hi markyb |
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| 00:42.26 | wewlad | nvm |
| 00:42.34 | ec0 | aZz7eCh, you could try something like https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples#PulseAudio_as_a_minimal_unintrusive_dumb_pipe_to_ALSA |
| 00:42.36 | wewlad | forgot to restart the apache2 service |
| 00:42.57 | ec0 | seems to me that pulseaudio and some of your other programs might be competing for control of the sound card |
| 00:43.08 | ec0 | which is dumb, but happens if pulseaudio isn't set up to avoid it |
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| 00:44.36 | aZz7eCh | eco i've done half these things at one stage or another - however - are you referring to exactly this last section, setting it up as a dumb pipe ? |
| 00:44.38 | ec0 | aZz7eCh, try something like this as a minimum https://paste.debian.net/380105/ |
| 00:44.42 | ec0 | that's what I use on my machine |
| 00:44.54 | ec0 | makes everything go through pulseaudio so there shouldn't be any conflicts |
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| 00:45.06 | ec0 | aZz7eCh, yep - but that's a more complicated setup, honestly. |
| 00:45.17 | ec0 | the paste I just provided is the content of my /etc/asound.conf |
| 00:45.19 | aZz7eCh | echo: on that asound.conf topic - i didn't have that file ever |
| 00:45.29 | aZz7eCh | i had to make it and populate it myself |
| 00:45.34 | ec0 | yeah, it's something I add to my machines |
| 00:45.39 | ec0 | it doesn't exist by default |
| 00:45.43 | aZz7eCh | okay alright i'll try the dumb pipe |
| 00:45.46 | ec0 | it's the system-wide ALSA config |
| 00:46.48 | wewlad | how do I search for a file by it's name? 'find' just instantly says 'no such file or catalog' |
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| 00:48.21 | markybob | wewlad, http://www.binarytides.com/linux-find-command-examples/ |
| 00:48.40 | wewlad | markybob: 404 Not Found |
| 00:48.40 | wewlad | nginx/1.4.6 (Ubuntu) |
| 00:48.53 | markybob | wewlad, works here |
| 00:49.08 | wewlad | doesn't work here :/ |
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| 00:49.36 | markybob | wewlad, anyway, what are you trying to find? and where? full system? / ? |
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| 00:50.04 | TomTomTosch | wewlad, just one google away. https://www.debuntu.org/how-to-find-files-on-your-computer-with-find/ |
| 00:50.06 | markybob | wewlad, find / -iname 'foo' might be what you want |
| 00:50.49 | wewlad | thx markybob |
| 00:51.48 | ec0 | wewlad, if you install the locate package, you can index your hard drive and do fast searches, too. |
| 00:51.50 | wewlad | needs to teach the system recognize 1st arg for find as search string |
| 00:52.01 | ec0 | if you do updatedb it will index the disk, and then locate will find files in the index. |
| 00:52.17 | wewlad | ec0: will I need to updatedb from time to time? |
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| 00:52.29 | markybob | wewlad, generally cron does that |
| 00:52.30 | ec0 | yes - I think there is a cron job you can set up to do it periodically |
| 00:52.33 | axc1298 | markybob: does that basically do what mlocate does? |
| 00:53.06 | wewlad | ec0: am not yet that much advanced in linux world as to set up cron routines |
| 00:53.12 | wewlad | but thanks anyways |
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| 00:55.30 | ec0 | no problem ;) |
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| 00:56.41 | aZz7eCh | eco |
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| 00:56.51 | aZz7eCh | D.I.A.F.! |
| 00:56.57 | aZz7eCh | where have you been for 3 days ! |
| 00:57.11 | svetlana | here |
| 00:57.14 | aZz7eCh | i cant f'ing believe |
| 00:57.17 | aZz7eCh | its owrking |
| 00:57.28 | TomTomTosch | is it bad practice to use 2>/dev/null to avoid "permission denied" with find? |
| 00:59.04 | markybob | TomTomTosch, no. so many ways |
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| 01:00.38 | TomTomTosch | okayo. ty. |
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| 01:44.09 | jcrowgey | hi debian room, i'm running jessie on an msi-cubi, I have libvdpau1 installed, but vdpauinfo says "Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_i965.so: cannot open ... no such file or directory" |
| 01:44.20 | jcrowgey | any advice as to what might be missing? |
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| 01:44.59 | jcrowgey | apt-cache policy libvdpau* says libvdpau1 is installed, but not libvdpau-v-gl1, so, i dunno. |
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| 01:47.51 | jcrowgey | actually, i have to run along, i'll check back with you guys later |
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| 02:26.19 | nezZario | Hey guys |
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| 02:26.44 | jo34 | anyone successfully use zoneminder package in jessie? |
| 02:27.05 | nezZario | Sorry, I was trying to explain this earlier but I had to run right in the middle of it. For some reason I have a debian testing machine (that's been upgraded from debian stable, not that old of an install though) and it insists on using the 3.16 kernel (amd) which is causing all kinds of issues like vfat not working |
| 02:27.59 | markybob | nezZario, testing support is in #debian-next in irc.oftc.net per /topic |
| 02:29.23 | nezZario | I thought -next was only for unstable |
| 02:29.28 | nezZario | but i'll try there, thanks |
| 02:30.00 | nezZario | fwiw this issue was present in stable too, that's why I went to testing, I thought it would fix it (at the time I didn't know what was going on, only that vfat wasn't working) |
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| 02:50.56 | jo34 | anyone got zoneminder working on jessie from the repo? |
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| 02:56.44 | TomTomTosch | jo34, do you have a specific problem? |
| 02:57.26 | jo34 | TomTomTosch, nope. just wondering if it works from the repo. having issues installing from the git, but I don't want to undo all my work just to test |
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| 02:57.40 | nick111 | svetlana: are you still awake? |
| 02:58.06 | svetlana | yea tho i have no clue |
| 02:58.22 | nick111 | :P |
| 02:58.28 | TomTomTosch | jo34, should work just fine. just install from jessie backports. |
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| 02:58.42 | jo34 | TomTomTosch, have you done it? |
| 02:58.56 | nick111 | Is there anyone here who uses the ipw2200 non-free driver? I'm having some authentication problems. My router is setup to use WPA2 Personal, my laptop recognizes the AP and that it's WPA2, but it refuses my password. |
| 02:59.16 | TomTomTosch | jo34, nope. |
| 02:59.42 | nick111 | After entering the password, it hangs for about 30 seconds, and then re-prompts me to post my password. I'm using the standard XFCE desktop networking interface |
| 03:00.33 | markybob | nick111, did you actually use the firmware iso i linked you two a couple of hours ago? doesn't sound like it |
| 03:01.19 | markybob | to* |
| 03:01.22 | nick111 | markybob: no I didn't, because I don't have another machine to burn it to any disk (unless I can get this laptop to boot in to it). I've had to install the debian package from the non-free directory and set it up that way |
| 03:01.37 | nick111 | boot in to it via USB* |
| 03:01.56 | markybob | nick111, great. that's not going to work |
| 03:02.01 | nick111 | ah :P |
| 03:02.18 | nick111 | Okay, looks like I'll have to try to boot it from USB. Will this ISO boot from USB? |
| 03:02.31 | markybob | nick111, yes |
| 03:03.02 | nick111 | markybob: great, could you link me to the ISO again? |
| 03:03.31 | markybob | nick111, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 03:03.38 | nick111 | markybob: thanks man |
| 03:03.55 | Mitzelflick | gods of debian, I had to install java8 by hand.... |
| 03:04.01 | nick111 | hopefully the i386 image will work :P |
| 03:04.03 | Mitzelflick | where is it in 8.3amd64 |
| 03:04.14 | Mitzelflick | tomcat8 didnt come with java 8? |
| 03:04.15 | Mitzelflick | wtf |
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| 03:04.43 | Mitzelflick | and where is postgresql 8.5? |
| 03:04.46 | Mitzelflick | aolserver? |
| 03:04.57 | dvs | nick111: no multiarch? |
| 03:05.16 | markybob | ,v aolserver4-daemon |
| 03:05.17 | nick111 | dvs: i could try to use the multiarch version, but this machine is i686 |
| 03:05.17 | judd | Package: aolserver4-daemon on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.5.1-12; wheezy: 4.5.1-15.1; sid: 4.5.1-18; jessie: 4.5.1-18; stretch: 4.5.1-18 |
| 03:05.27 | Mitzelflick | ghc 7.10.3 |
| 03:05.29 | nick111 | dvs: there is an i386 version of the ISO |
| 03:05.58 | markybob | nick111, is your intel processor seriously not 64-bit? |
| 03:06.14 | markybob | nick111, i dont think so. so why i386? |
| 03:06.17 | Mitzelflick | ,v java |
| 03:06.18 | judd | No package named 'java' was found in amd64. |
| 03:06.25 | Mitzelflick | ,v openjdk |
| 03:06.26 | judd | No package named 'openjdk' was found in amd64. |
| 03:06.35 | nick111 | markybob: it's seriously not. Im using an ancient machine while i wait to buy a new one |
| 03:06.46 | Mitzelflick | ,v jdk |
| 03:06.48 | judd | No package named 'jdk' was found in amd64. |
| 03:06.50 | markybob | ,v openjdk-8-jre |
| 03:06.51 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- stretch: 8u72-b05-6; jessie-backports: 8u72-b15-1~bpo8+1; sid: 8u72-b15-2 |
| 03:06.54 | nick111 | markybob It's an HP compaq nc6220. |
| 03:06.59 | markybob | Mitzelflick, you suck at searching |
| 03:07.07 | nick111 | rip |
| 03:07.08 | Mitzelflick | how is something backport able to be used? |
| 03:07.18 | Mitzelflick | yeah i prefer |
| 03:07.20 | Mitzelflick | freebsd |
| 03:07.28 | markybob | Mitzelflick, you read the instructions at http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 03:07.28 | jo34 | i installed something from a git; zoneminder; and installed the .deb via dpkg -i |
| 03:07.31 | jo34 | how can I remove it? |
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| 03:08.10 | jo34 | nm, figured it out |
| 03:08.17 | nick111 | gj |
| 03:08.19 | nick111 | ;p |
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| 03:08.56 | Mitzelflick | how do you search for postgresql? 9.5? |
| 03:09.06 | Mitzelflick | ,v postgresql-server |
| 03:09.07 | judd | No package named 'postgresql-server' was found in amd64. |
| 03:09.26 | markybob | ,v postgresql |
| 03:09.28 | judd | Package: postgresql on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 8.4.20-0squeeze1; squeeze: 8.4.21-0squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 8.4.22lts5-0+deb6u2; squeeze-backports: 9.1+134wheezy4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; wheezy-backports: 9.4+165~bpo70+1; jessie: 9.4+165; sid: 9.5+172; stretch: 9.5+172 |
| 03:09.31 | markybob | seriously |
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| 03:09.53 | markybob | goes out to smoke |
| 03:10.17 | Mitzelflick | jessie backports? |
| 03:10.20 | Mitzelflick | 9.5? |
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| 03:23.29 | aZz7eCh | eco |
| 03:24.14 | aZz7eCh | ec0 * |
| 03:24.36 | TomTomTosch | yes, one with a dumb pipe? |
| 03:24.39 | aZz7eCh | thanks again man... i'm going to be thanking you every day for weeks |
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| 03:25.35 | Mitzelflick | 8.3 is jessie |
| 03:25.38 | Mitzelflick | right? |
| 03:25.43 | Mitzelflick | no 9.5 postgresql |
| 03:25.50 | Mitzelflick | even in backports there? |
| 03:25.52 | markybob | Mitzelflick, yes. and correct |
| 03:25.57 | Mitzelflick | how find what backport version avail? |
| 03:26.10 | markybob | Mitzelflick, it doesn't exist. |
| 03:26.10 | Mitzelflick | ,v ghc |
| 03:26.11 | judd | Package: ghc on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.4.1-4; jessie: 7.6.3-21; jessie-backports: 7.10.3-6~bpo8+2; stretch: 7.10.3-7; sid: 7.10.3-7; experimental: 8.0.0.20160204-2 |
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| 03:26.25 | TomTomTosch | there is none for postgresql-9.5 |
| 03:26.32 | Mitzelflick | oow backports has 7.10.3 |
| 03:26.33 | Mitzelflick | nice |
| 03:26.42 | TomTomTosch | you could do it yourself, if you hate life. |
| 03:26.47 | Mitzelflick | I think work should use redis anyhow |
| 03:26.52 | Mitzelflick | naa |
| 03:26.54 | markybob | Mitzelflick, jessie has 9.4 |
| 03:27.14 | markybob | Mitzelflick, stretch/sid has 9.5 |
| 03:27.15 | Mitzelflick | i just used the debian 8 entry from postgresql.org |
| 03:27.25 | Mitzelflick | whats stretch sid? |
| 03:27.30 | Mitzelflick | I dont get all these debian versions |
| 03:27.37 | Mitzelflick | sounds like waste of time |
| 03:27.40 | markybob | Mitzelflick, testing/unstable. which you shouldn't use. |
| 03:27.45 | Mitzelflick | just concentrate on new one |
| 03:28.11 | markybob | Mitzelflick, what do you need in 9.5 that 9.4 doesn't have? |
| 03:28.27 | Mitzelflick | http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/ |
| 03:28.31 | Mitzelflick | this is what I used |
| 03:28.37 | Mitzelflick | oh I dunno |
| 03:28.48 | Mitzelflick | some dev wants it for new app line product @work |
| 03:28.54 | markybob | Mitzelflick, so use 9.4 that debian has. no need to do anything else |
| 03:29.05 | Mitzelflick | no no I wanted 9.5 |
| 03:29.07 | Mitzelflick | and I got it |
| 03:29.19 | Mitzelflick | http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/ |
| 03:29.32 | TomTomTosch | :D |
| 03:29.37 | Mitzelflick | I also downloaded latest tomcat and java jdk |
| 03:29.48 | Mitzelflick | in in tomcats startup.sh |
| 03:29.51 | Mitzelflick | set java home |
| 03:29.57 | TomTomTosch | packages are lame anyway, right? :D |
| 03:30.03 | Mitzelflick | to /usr/local/jdk8.0.66 |
| 03:30.10 | Mitzelflick | well kinda outa date |
| 03:30.20 | Mitzelflick | archlinux was better at keeping packages up to date |
| 03:30.27 | Mitzelflick | freebsd has ports, only 9.4 in pkg |
| 03:30.28 | TomTomTosch | not really |
| 03:30.29 | Mitzelflick | heh |
| 03:30.44 | markybob | Mitzelflick, debian stable doesn't care. it's about being stable. thus the name. |
| 03:31.18 | Mitzelflick | https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=postgresql |
| 03:31.32 | markybob | Mitzelflick, couldn't care less what arch has/does |
| 03:31.35 | Mitzelflick | well isnt the newer version more stable? |
| 03:31.41 | TomTomTosch | no |
| 03:31.41 | Mitzelflick | redone, fewer bugs? |
| 03:31.43 | markybob | Mitzelflick, no |
| 03:31.53 | Mitzelflick | but they have worked more on it |
| 03:31.57 | abrotman | !enter |
| 03:31.57 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 03:31.59 | Mitzelflick | fixed things |
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| 03:32.09 | markybob | Mitzelflick, plus that link you just gave says 9.5 in arch is only in their testing |
| 03:32.15 | markybob | Mitzelflick, just like it's in debian testing |
| 03:32.19 | Mitzelflick | I noticed that |
| 03:32.34 | Mitzelflick | but see arch I think enables those repos |
| 03:32.42 | Mitzelflick | I dont get how debian has different versions of os |
| 03:32.48 | maher | would someone like to help me with utf8? ð <-- I see this in some apps, but not in rxvt... |
| 03:32.48 | Mitzelflick | and ten u gota match the repo |
| 03:32.52 | Mitzelflick | hmm |
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| 03:33.05 | abrotman | Mitzelflick: Lay off the enter key |
| 03:33.21 | qqqqq | linux is to hard I'm going back to windows |
| 03:33.28 | abrotman | Okay |
| 03:33.40 | markybob | qqqqq, that's terrific |
| 03:33.49 | dvs | use XP |
| 03:35.38 | Mitzelflick | Well I am a busy man! I love simplicity....but have done linux for 10 years, make 6 figs....and am getting old I guess |
| 03:35.55 | Mitzelflick | I liek simplicity but getting the latest stuff |
| 03:36.10 | markybob | Mitzelflick, that's not debian stable. get over it |
| 03:36.31 | Mitzelflick | I mean some would crings at rc.local with /usr/local/tomcat/bin/startup.sh |
| 03:36.38 | abrotman | Mitzelflick: Then perhaps Debian is not for you, nothing wrong with that. Better to recognize it early than spend six months trying to bend it to your will. |
| 03:36.55 | Mitzelflick | and echo noop > /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler |
| 03:37.19 | abrotman | Mitzelflick: Do you need help with Debian? Or just here to tell us how you've made a mess? |
| 03:37.25 | Mitzelflick | I would never touch debian, its a work thing, they chose it because it has easier in place upgrades for boxen in the field, than deadrat |
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| 03:37.53 | Mitzelflick | No I made an awesome spaceship of latest stuff today, I do need help with the backports...... |
| 03:38.05 | abrotman | then ask your question, stop rambling |
| 03:38.17 | Mitzelflick | so for production its not good to run sid or etch? |
| 03:38.27 | abrotman | no |
| 03:38.29 | Mitzelflick | guys just lay off the insults |
| 03:38.31 | markybob | Mitzelflick, absolutely not. for either |
| 03:38.40 | abrotman | that's not an insult, you're rambling |
| 03:38.47 | abrotman | ask your support question, be concise |
| 03:39.21 | Mitzelflick | what is safeest way to upgrade debian 7 to 8 in place without disturbing psotgresql tomcat apache? |
| 03:39.40 | markybob | Mitzelflick, you said you were running 8/jessie |
| 03:39.48 | dvs | Mitzelflick: There is no safe way if you are using 3rd party repos |
| 03:40.10 | svetlana | Postgres would be disturbed anyway. It has this pesky habit of leaving db in a directory whose name includes postgres version, and you have to move the data into the new version by hand. In my experience at least. |
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| 03:44.48 | TomTomTosch | also check your apache configuration. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat |
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| 03:49.45 | Mitzelflick | yeah the field engineers have older boxen to update |
| 03:49.49 | Mitzelflick | my stuff is new |
| 03:49.54 | Mitzelflick | for new projects without past |
| 03:50.03 | Mitzelflick | I forgot how I got thttpd today..... |
| 03:50.23 | Mitzelflick | its not available in aptitude search ni 8.3amd64 |
| 03:50.25 | markybob | Mitzelflick, you should listen to abrotman about the enter problem. he's an op |
| 03:51.03 | Mitzelflick | ok |
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| 03:52.45 | Atm0spher1c | where can I find the public key signature for debian source code? |
| 03:53.05 | Mitzelflick | ,v thttpd |
| 03:53.06 | judd | Package: thttpd on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.25b-11 |
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| 03:53.42 | Mitzelflick | I am really not sure how I got thttpd, are there 3rd party repos for it? I found something but can't remember.....and I got it... |
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| 03:54.15 | markybob | Mitzelflick, you could pastebin your sources.list if you didn't dpkg -i foo.deb it |
| 03:54.27 | Mitzelflick | oh thats exactly what I did!!! |
| 03:54.43 | markybob | Mitzelflick, yeah that's not smart |
| 03:54.49 | Mitzelflick | :( |
| 03:54.52 | dvs | Which makes it even harder to upgrade |
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| 03:55.07 | markybob | !frankendebian |
| 03:55.07 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 03:55.48 | Mitzelflick | https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/thttpd/download |
| 03:56.13 | markybob | Mitzelflick, don't be mixing things. and pastebin your sources.list |
| 03:56.14 | Mitzelflick | well this was only for a small ansible dev box not for prod |
| 03:56.39 | Mitzelflick | I cant I am not at work right now, so am on freebsd 10.2 with icewm, and its nice let me tell u, although debian is nice as well |
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| 03:58.05 | markybob | Mitzelflick, sure a lot of us use bsd. i use freebsd and netbsd. i guess that's why you got it twisted about how to run debian, though. it's not similar. you can't do those things |
| 03:59.02 | Mitzelflick | Why do you get twistde about running debian? I am not twisted.. |
| 03:59.35 | markybob | Mitzelflick, because you're mixing things and wanting the latest on stable. you're fucking things up |
| 03:59.39 | themill | Atm0spher1c: what are you actually wanting? |
| 03:59.48 | Mitzelflick | I engineered quite a nice modern solution getting latest java8 on jessis 8.3 amd64 without the help of the debian pacaker |
| 04:00.04 | Mitzelflick | Why are you fucking things up? I am engineering very nice solutions.... |
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| 04:00.22 | markybob | Mitzelflick, okay. i'll shut up since this is useless |
| 04:00.26 | Mitzelflick | The requiremetn from dev, to match the devs mac was tomcat and java 8 and pg 95 |
| 04:00.27 | dvs | Mitzelflick: you're reinventing the wheel |
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| 04:00.45 | Mitzelflick | debian packager wasnt up to it do I used my experience to wrk around ti beautifully |
| 04:00.53 | Mitzelflick | remember I make 6 figures |
| 04:01.01 | Mitzelflick | I wont use a mac |
| 04:01.11 | Mitzelflick | and I vote republican trump all the way |
| 04:01.26 | dvs | stops listening right there |
| 04:01.28 | Mitzelflick | now that is troling!! |
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| 04:01.39 | themill | Mitzelflick: you've already been asked a couple of times |
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| 04:01.59 | aZz7eCh | you spelt trolling wrong |
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| 04:02.30 | beepie | aZz7eCh, you spelled spelt incorrectly |
| 04:02.31 | beepie | ha |
| 04:03.01 | aZz7eCh | huh? i spelt it correctly. |
| 04:03.03 | aZz7eCh | Spelt (Triticum spelta), also known as dinkel wheat,[2] or hulled wheat,[2] is a species of wheat cultivated since 5000 BC. |
| 04:03.36 | TomTomTosch | passes markybob a cigarette |
| 04:03.38 | beepie | nobody i know uses spelt |
| 04:03.46 | beepie | the dictionary is wrong |
| 04:03.50 | aZz7eCh | well where have you been for 5000 years ? |
| 04:03.58 | aZz7eCh | 7000* |
| 04:04.07 | beepie | here in north america it is spelled |
| 04:04.08 | themill | checks which channel this is |
| 04:04.18 | markybob | TomTomTosch, man after my own heart :) |
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| 04:05.43 | ec0 | you're welcome aZz7eCh :) |
| 04:05.59 | aZz7eCh | ec0 ur a champ man srsly... if only you knew the violence you have averted. |
| 04:06.25 | ec0 | that's... a good thing. |
| 04:06.34 | aZz7eCh | :) gave you credits on the forum post :P |
| 04:06.48 | aZz7eCh | i backspaced the part about jelly being gay tho |
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| 04:08.37 | dvs | hides from ChanServ |
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| 04:09.36 | beepie | that guy is very problematic the other night, glad he's quieted |
| 04:10.20 | TomTomTosch | that demand to be helped :D |
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| 04:15.53 | Fox682 | I don't understand people who don't put in at least the most minimum of effort to search for answer... |
| 04:16.23 | Fox682 | its like they think they're entitled to have people help them. |
| 04:17.42 | dvs | "I cant get this to work. Debian is stupid" |
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| 04:19.44 | Fox682 | Debian is the schiznitzels Oh Ess's Yo... yes I'm bored, but i'm sick too so... setting up a Generic VM of the Debs on my box lol. |
| 04:20.30 | Fox682 | My First linux experiance was Knoppix on CD. Used the crap out of it to fix windoze boxes back in the day lol |
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| 04:23.42 | jrj | hello. can someone help me with debian8 + roundcube + self-signed certificate? |
| 04:24.12 | markybob | jrj, i kind of have to ask why. |
| 04:24.34 | Fox682 | you should be able to make and sign your own certs right? easy rsa? |
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| 04:24.46 | jrj | i used smtp_conn_options in RC, but still have "unknown ca" error |
| 04:24.49 | markybob | yes you can. i still want to know the reason |
| 04:25.01 | markybob | jrj, right. so use letsencrypt.org |
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| 04:25.14 | jrj | it is for internal using. |
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| 04:25.42 | jrj | i have working srv1, but can not setup srv2 |
| 04:26.04 | jrj | i can not understand where i have mistake |
| 04:26.38 | jrj | i use locally generated snakeoil cert |
| 04:26.58 | markybob | why do you expect that to not be unknown? |
| 04:27.31 | nezZario | Can someone please tell me what determines which kernel is used in the grub bootloader? Or - even where that config is? (e.g. if you hit 'e' over a boot option in grub) ? |
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| 04:28.07 | markybob | nezZario, the config is in /boot/ |
| 04:28.13 | jrj | i configured verify_peer=false, verify_peer_name=false, allow_self_signed=true in smtp_conn_options |
| 04:28.15 | nezZario | I've been through everything here. Even though I'm using testing, this issue was present when I was running stable too. It just refuses to let go of this ancient 3.16 kernel. I'm thinking of going against it's advice and just manually removing it |
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| 04:28.29 | tite12345 | Hi |
| 04:28.41 | tite12345 | What virtualization software can I use? |
| 04:28.50 | tite12345 | Trying to load Qubes |
| 04:28.55 | markybob | nezZario, wrong place. testing is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
| 04:29.31 | markybob | tite12345, i use virtualbox |
| 04:29.37 | cluelessperson | So I'm using debian and debootstrap, but I can't freaking umount /proc |
| 04:29.41 | TomTomTosch | thinks markybob has a macro for that phrase. |
| 04:29.42 | cluelessperson | Failed to read file chroot/proc/kallsyms, creating empty file |
| 04:29.42 | cluelessperson | [- ] 1488975/1073758949 0% |
| 04:29.51 | markybob | TomTomTosch, i really should |
| 04:30.08 | cluelessperson | 1073758949 is massive |
| 04:30.24 | cluelessperson | and it's completely screwing up my build |
| 04:31.05 | catbehemoth | can anyone assist me with GSSAPI,ssh and AD? I think I have a krb5.keytab problem and have no idea where to ask for help |
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| 04:31.35 | PryMar56 | nezZario, locate the grubenv file in /boot and see the key `SAVED...` |
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| 04:31.42 | beatdown | has zero kerberos experience |
| 04:33.34 | catbehemoth | To be more precise, GSSAPI is enabled in ssh when I connect with putty I get Unspecified GSS failure. Minor code may provide more information\nNo key table entry found matching host/hostname.domainname@DOMAINNAME but I only have host/hostname@DOMAINNAME entries in krb5.keytab so it fails |
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| 04:34.52 | tite12345 | markybob: Isn't Virtualbox nonfree? |
| 04:34.52 | jrj | markybob, you mean i should use known certs for mydomain.local internal needs? |
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| 04:35.11 | markybob | tite12345, the guest additions are nonfree. the main thing is free |
| 04:36.28 | tite12345 | Ah |
| 04:36.38 | tite12345 | markybob: I don't think I see it in the repos? |
| 04:36.55 | Fox682 | I have this weird problem with my Debian VMs in VBox... Updating the box is like pulling teeth. |
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| 04:37.32 | markybob | ,v virtualbox-guest-additions-iso |
| 04:37.32 | tite12345 | markybob: I may have to use the nonfree repo or manually get it from tVBox website? |
| 04:37.32 | judd | Package: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 4.1.18-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 4.3.18-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 4.3.18-3; stretch/non-free: 5.0.14-1; sid/non-free: 5.0.14-1 |
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| 04:37.38 | Fox682 | sometimes I have to pull another console and ping google to get it to work, just now the update was stalled, and i'm in another console pinging google and suddenly lights up.... |
| 04:38.05 | Fox682 | Wondering if my VBox setup for networking is wrong... I'm using a bridged adapter for it. |
| 04:38.10 | markybob | tite12345, it's there if you have non-free. pastebin your sources.list if you need help |
| 04:38.21 | Fox682 | used ifdown and ifup to get the interface running. |
| 04:38.26 | tite12345 | markybob: Ok |
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| 04:39.40 | Fox682 | it's just the weirdest thing ever, I'm using Jessie and got the sources.list setup it affects all of my deb VMs at some point. |
| 04:39.47 | Fox682 | Makes me think i'm doing something stupid lol |
| 04:41.58 | tite12345 | markybob: So I added non-free in my "main" line in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:42.10 | cluelessperson | I'm using debian and debootstrap, however the build process fails because it CANNOT unmount /proc in here. http://dpaste.com/13GWFT1 and I get this with lsof http://dpaste.com/3HYEBR9 |
| 04:42.19 | markybob | tite12345, great. then apt-get update |
| 04:42.23 | nezZario | Uh, .. How does/where does grub know where to find /boot ? |
| 04:42.25 | tite12345 | DOne |
| 04:42.30 | tite12345 | Installing it now |
| 04:42.31 | Fox682 | is apt-get not tolerant of crappy/lossy connections? |
| 04:42.31 | markybob | tite12345, you also need contrib |
| 04:42.35 | tite12345 | what? |
| 04:42.38 | tite12345 | Why? |
| 04:42.49 | tite12345 | I'm already installing vbox |
| 04:42.52 | svetlana | Fox682: it'll resume a download if needed but you'll need to start it by hand |
| 04:42.55 | tite12345 | something I'm missing? |
| 04:43.01 | markybob | tite12345, it'll just prevent things like this in the future. trying to prevent heartache |
| 04:43.18 | tite12345 | this? |
| 04:43.43 | markybob | tite12345, not having the repository for packages... |
| 04:43.55 | tite12345 | what do you mean? |
| 04:44.03 | markybob | c'mon |
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| 04:45.17 | tite12345 | markybob: I didn't get it |
| 04:45.23 | tite12345 | I was able to use virtualbox |
| 04:45.27 | tite12345 | what for do i need contrib? |
| 04:45.43 | tite12345 | I might be opening to more nonfree s/w :-/ |
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| 04:46.01 | markybob | tite12345, i get that. like i said, to prevent things like this happening again where you can't get a package because you don't have the repository |
| 04:46.11 | tite12345 | Ah |
| 04:46.13 | tite12345 | Ok |
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| 04:47.44 | tite12345 | Done |
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| 04:57.50 | nezZario | So how do you tell grub to use /boot on a different disk? |
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| 04:58.40 | nezZario | I figured my issue out.. My magnetic disks has an old /boot partition I think it's using that for config instead of the one that's being updated etc off the SSD |
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| 05:02.03 | ec0 | huh, might have to re-run grub-install |
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| 05:02.34 | ec0 | i think /boot has to be one the same drive that grub is installed on? |
| 05:03.43 | TomTomTosch | dont you select that while installing? |
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| 05:08.02 | TomTomTosch | have you tried update-grub? |
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| 05:08.58 | TomTomTosch | that's how the grub configuration file is getting updated. |
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| 05:10.15 | TomTomTosch | nezZario, ^ |
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| 05:11.01 | svetlana | ec0: i have no idea, the installer just figures it out for me magically |
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| 05:12.06 | ec0 | I believe that update-grub doesn't do any calculation of where the partitions are, or installing the bootloader - it just generates grub.cfg. But grub.cfg lives in /boot - so if grub isn't looking at the right /boot - it won't find the right grub.cfg. |
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| 05:12.24 | ec0 | install-grub hd0 would normally work out all of the partition stuff, which is what the installer uses. |
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| 05:12.39 | ec0 | assuming hd0 was the driver you were booting from (sda normally) |
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| 05:22.00 | Se7en | liquidsoap keeps giving me a segmentation fault despite me getting it through apt |
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| 05:23.40 | TomTomTosch | Se7en, interesting. |
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| 05:23.53 | Se7en | So what should I do? |
| 05:24.24 | TomTomTosch | ah, knew there was a qusetion :P |
| 05:24.54 | TomTomTosch | what debian version? |
| 05:25.10 | Se7en | Apt-pinned |
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| 05:27.34 | nezZario | ec0 TomTomTosch I ran update-grub probably 100 times in the last hour =) |
| 05:27.46 | nezZario | When I ran it I selected all 4 physical drives out of the 2x SSD and 2x Magnetic |
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| 05:28.11 | nezZario | But like I said for whatever reason it always boots off the magnetic one -- or not "boots off of" but "uses the grub config within" |
| 05:28.31 | nezZario | And the disk that the BIOS is booting from isn't relevant either; I've tried all 4 |
| 05:30.24 | nezZario | I mean, it's not really a big deal. My system is bootable, I'm just using an ancient kernel. And, at some point really soon I'm just going to make some backups and format all these drives |
| 05:31.02 | zeeble | better file a report on the BTS Se7en |
| 05:31.24 | Se7en | BTS? |
| 05:31.35 | zeeble | bug tracking system |
| 05:32.51 | Se7en | ok |
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| 05:34.57 | zeeble | maybe you can try grabbing their source from github and building it yourself for better results |
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| 05:35.23 | TomTomTosch | <Se7en> Apt-pinned > has unstable system |
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| 05:36.49 | albratos007 | i |
| 05:36.58 | svetlana | ' |
| 05:37.30 | albratos007 | i need help, |
| 05:37.36 | svetlana | yes? |
| 05:37.41 | svetlana | and hello |
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| 05:39.51 | albratos007 | I installed the KALI LINUX In VMWARE Software and once after Installing it, when I tried running it, It asked me for the User-Name and Password... |
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| 05:40.14 | Fox682 | it's on their website... |
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| 05:40.24 | Fox682 | I'll see if I can find it, it's a common default... |
| 05:40.30 | albratos007 | Since I had read the KALI LINUX Documentation before hand, so I knew that The Default USERNAME is "ROOT" (without quotes) and PASSWORD for the same is -- "toor" (without quotes) |
| 05:40.42 | TomTomTosch | welcome to #debian |
| 05:41.21 | Fox682 | yup albratos007 got it |
| 05:41.42 | Fox682 | Would reccomend checking the documentation ;) |
| 05:42.27 | albratos007 | fox682 :),But when I tried Entering the same into respective fields, I am getting AUTHENTICATION ERROR and I am simply returned back to the original Login Screen.. |
| 05:43.08 | zeeble | albratos007: i'll be more direct than TomTomTosch. this isn't the kali linux irc channel. check their website again for the right help channel. |
| 05:43.10 | Fox682 | user: root pw: toor... unless you ran the install and it asked you for a PW, that should be it... |
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| 05:45.58 | albratos007 | zeeble, okay, |
| 05:46.06 | albratos007 | fox682, thanks bro |
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| 05:46.33 | albratos007 | fox682,i try |
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| 05:48.16 | tpanarch1st | hello, is my syntax wrong for imapsync please :-) Totally stuck - http://pastebin.com/pcwBVFep |
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| 05:57.54 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. What log would I look at to see why my computer shut down without me telling it to shut down? It has happened twice, and I don't know why. |
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| 05:59.27 | angell | I am configuring a Debian VPS so that I can migrate some websites to it. I need to configure it to allow multiple websites with temporary urls until I finish configuring each one, and then configure each domain. How do I do all this? Also, I will later install postfix for email. Some will also have subdomains. |
| 05:59.49 | cluelessperson | Lady_Aleena, likely /var/log/ and one of the system related |
| 05:59.55 | cluelessperson | dmesg kern or system |
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| 06:00.28 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, I would check the kernel log for crashes probably |
| 06:00.35 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Is it a battery powered system? |
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| 06:01.19 | Lady_Aleena | How do I read just the last few messages? |
| 06:01.28 | TomTomTosch | tpanarch1st, what debian version are you on? O_o |
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| 06:03.29 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, tail? |
| 06:03.53 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, You're probably going to have to search for the time and date of the event anyway |
| 06:04.25 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, I don't know the time my computer shut down, I wasn't in the office when it did. |
| 06:04.38 | tpanarch1st | hey TomTomTosch how do I find that please :) |
| 06:04.50 | Lady_Aleena | Looks like I found something else I will have to learn to live with. |
| 06:05.13 | TomTomTosch | tpanarch1st, lsb_release -a |
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| 06:05.43 | tpanarch1st | TomTomTosch: I'm really sorry, i'm running Mint, is my enquiry welcome? |
| 06:05.45 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, oh it is a desktop computer, a big tower. |
| 06:06.50 | Lady_Aleena | smashes her head on the nearest hard object. |
| 06:07.08 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Maybe your computer tried to sleep or hibernate, but your motherboard/BIOS/EFI is having trouble supporting that? |
| 06:07.35 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, I shouldn't be trying to do those things, since I've never set them up. |
| 06:07.51 | Lady_Aleena | s/I/it/; |
| 06:08.01 | TomTomTosch | tpanarch1st, haha thought that much :P but before you get the hell out of here, this is maybe smth that might help you (skip to the example at the bottom): https://www.rootathome.de/imap-migration-mit-imapsync-unter-debian/ |
| 06:08.20 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Trying sleep/hibernate is a fairly reasonable default these days |
| 06:08.29 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, it just started a day or two ago. |
| 06:09.07 | tpanarch1st | TomTomTosch: it's not in English :) |
| 06:09.14 | Lady_Aleena | Then I come back, have to turn it back on, and have all kinds of orphaned inodes. |
| 06:09.32 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Well, obviously something changed a day or two ago. Perhaps something changed to try and sleep or hibernate |
| 06:09.34 | TomTomTosch | tpanarch1st, sry, i'm a litte tired >.> |
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| 06:09.45 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, That would suggest that it did not shut down cleanly |
| 06:09.51 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, how do I find out if those are set up? |
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| 06:10.24 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Well, I would start by looking at the kernel log |
| 06:10.32 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, orphaned inodes don't sound good, so I figured it shut down without any warning. |
| 06:10.34 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, to check for crashes |
| 06:10.52 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, my kernel log is a mess and nearly unreadable. |
| 06:11.06 | TomTomTosch | tpanarch1st, https://wiki.zimbra.com/wiki/Guide_to_imapsync |
| 06:11.17 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, "Shut down" implies a clean and expected process |
| 06:11.31 | tpanarch1st | TomTomTosch: started there :) |
| 06:11.35 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, I'm sure it's similar to everyone elses kernel log |
| 06:11.38 | tpanarch1st | im a bit stuck on it needed to be secure |
| 06:11.45 | tpanarch1st | the server im taking from requires security :) |
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| 06:11.49 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, well, I didn't shut my computer down, yet it was off, so I know it wasn't clean. |
| 06:11.57 | tpanarch1st | http://pastebin.com/C3zUChsq |
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| 06:12.18 | tpanarch1st | sorry TomTomTosch i didn't tag you on those buts |
| 06:12.20 | tpanarch1st | bits |
| 06:13.32 | Lady_Aleena | Is there any command which is usually first upon start up? |
| 06:13.55 | Lady_Aleena | If I can find that command, I can look at the commands which precede it to find the crash. |
| 06:14.15 | TomTomTosch | tpanarch1st, sry, #linuxmint-help |
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| 06:14.49 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, the kernel usually prints out a title or version number or such like at boot |
| 06:15.28 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Are you using something sane to view the log? |
| 06:15.39 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, terminal. |
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| 06:15.54 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Yes, and what program? |
| 06:16.05 | Lady_Aleena | It is called Jessie's Terminator. |
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| 06:16.23 | mentor | I'm not familiar with it |
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| 06:16.39 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, I would suggest something like less or a lightweight editor at the least |
| 06:17.05 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, not many people are since it is very non-standard, but the only terminal emulator which does not wrap lines. |
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| 06:18.03 | zeeble | terminator is the command. you'll still need less or tail :| |
| 06:18.13 | zeeble | erm terminator is just the terminal app |
| 06:18.15 | beepie | !pager |
| 06:18.16 | dpkg | [pager] a text viewer, like <more>, <less>, view, etc. apropos pager. See also <colored pager>, <vimpager>. |
| 06:18.17 | Lady_Aleena | zeeble, well I'm using more |
| 06:18.29 | beepie | more is less than less |
| 06:18.29 | zeeble | yep, less/more similar. |
| 06:18.40 | Lady_Aleena | Now grep to see if I can't find the word "crash". |
| 06:18.56 | Lady_Aleena | This is going to take a while with all the logs in var log. |
| 06:19.54 | Lady_Aleena | Unless I totally forgot how to use grep... (grep 'crash') |
| 06:20.06 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Trying to view logs with "more" is a folly |
| 06:20.24 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, less wasn't any better. |
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| 06:21.11 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, If the improvement between less and more is not plainly obvious, I suspect you're doing it wrong |
| 06:21.12 | Lady_Aleena | (grep is still searching) |
| 06:21.32 | Lady_Aleena | less <filename> |
| 06:21.55 | Lady_Aleena | more <filename> |
| 06:22.02 | Lady_Aleena | Both look exactly the same. |
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| 06:22.13 | zeeble | just use egrep '(crash|segfault|oops|denied)' /var/log/messages |
| 06:22.22 | mentor | egrep is an alias to grep |
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| 06:23.00 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, You found the search function in less though, right? |
| 06:23.12 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, what search function? |
| 06:23.47 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, If you press h in less there is a help screen |
| 06:24.44 | Lady_Aleena | Just looking at the logs a few seconds makes my eyes hurt. |
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| 06:25.21 | alrs | mentor: ls -alh /bin | egrep grep$ tells me that egrep and grep are separate binaries |
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| 06:26.03 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, I'm afraid I can't really help with that. Make sure your screen is placed appropriately for your eyes and any corrective lens, and consider increasing the font size. |
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| 06:27.29 | mentor | alrs, OK, fine, they're different binaries all provided by the grep package which is compiled from the GNU grep code base |
| 06:28.16 | mentor | alrs, It's not the case that they're different versions of grep written by separate people with different performance characteristics as might have been true on Unices long ago |
| 06:28.24 | karlpinc | (To which I'd add, use appropriately contrasting colors for font and background, etc. IMO all this colorization is evil on the eyes.) Bear in mind though, I've not seen any of this thread. |
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| 06:30.22 | nevyn | alrs: grep -e == egrep it's just there for compatibility |
| 06:30.38 | themill | (-E) |
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| 06:31.27 | nevyn | sigh. yes |
| 06:31.30 | mentor | It did used to be true that different versions of grep would perform significantly differently under different files and patterns |
| 06:31.38 | TomTomTosch | egrep and fgrep are just scripts, no binaries. |
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| 06:32.24 | mentor | TomTomTosch, Thanks. I should have checked instead of believing that they were binaries |
| 06:33.26 | jeep | if you really want to see cat `which egrep` |
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| 06:34.17 | mentor | Evil backticks |
| 06:34.38 | Fox682 | greybeard tricks ;) |
| 06:34.48 | mentor | $() is much better syntax |
| 06:34.58 | Fox682 | like using awk in a conky script >.> |
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| 06:35.16 | mentor | Or sending kernel patches as vim scripts |
| 06:35.33 | Lady_Aleena | Does 'mce: [Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged' mean anything to anyone? |
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| 06:37.02 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, machine check exceptions are produced by the processor when system (system bus, memory, cache) errors occur, so certainly yes |
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| 06:40.10 | Lady_Aleena | If only there were a log entry stating "Starting computer" so I know what commands deal with starting my stupid computer. |
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| 06:41.46 | nevyn | mhuh? |
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| 06:42.13 | nevyn | Lady_Aleena: starting computers is hard and involves hundreds if not thousands of things happening. |
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| 06:43.00 | Fox682 | it used to be simple but then the computer didn't do much, lol |
| 06:43.22 | jeep | timestamps is easiest way to know bootup in syslog .. especially if your sitting with the pc and know when it boots |
| 06:43.26 | Lady_Aleena | nevyn, So it is impossible to write in a command to write into logs it is starting up the computer and all entries following up to a line saying computer started are the ones dealing with starting a computer up? |
| 06:43.29 | nevyn | and now you need a computer to start the computer to start your computer. |
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| 06:43.45 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, I refer you to my previous comment |
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| 06:44.12 | nevyn | see stewart smith's talk at lca last week on booting power. |
| 06:44.54 | nevyn | Lady_Aleena: that's way more complex than it sounds sadly |
| 06:45.14 | nevyn | particularly with modern init parallel invocation stuff |
| 06:45.29 | nevyn | it's not a linear set of events. |
| 06:46.11 | nevyn | Lady_Aleena: there's /var/log/dmesg |
| 06:46.18 | nevyn | but that only deals with the kernel's startup |
| 06:46.38 | TomTomTosch | starts taking notes |
| 06:47.07 | TomTomTosch | :P |
| 06:47.37 | unknown007 | wkwk |
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| 06:48.31 | Lady_Aleena | Well, it looks like I won't find why my computer crashes. 8S |
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| 06:49.22 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Did you ever find the line I was referring to? |
| 06:49.34 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, no, I haven't found it. |
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| 06:49.42 | TomTomTosch | not everything can be logged. sudden power loss eg. |
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| 06:50.09 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, What about searching for a zero timestamp? |
| 06:50.56 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, the problem is I don't know which log to look in for anything. I have so many logs, and none are semantically named. |
| 06:51.07 | mentor | But Linux definitely prints out something like a title line or version line |
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| 06:51.15 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, The kernel log |
| 06:51.28 | nevyn | Lady_Aleena: if you're looking for boot events |
| 06:51.43 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Are you having trouble identifying that? |
| 06:51.44 | nevyn | you should find the memory map pretty easilly in /var/log/messages |
| 06:51.55 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, that would be kern.log right? |
| 06:52.05 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, That sounds right, yes |
| 06:52.24 | Lady_Aleena | Why isn't it named kernel.log then? *sighs* |
| 06:53.02 | Lady_Aleena | And that is where I found the mce line. |
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| 06:53.10 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Right |
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| 06:53.17 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Did you look in the MCE log at all? |
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| 06:54.01 | jeep | gets confused by Lady_Aleena having two conversations on different channels |
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| 06:54.18 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, I don't have a log named mce in /var/log |
| 06:54.30 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, No, indeed |
| 06:55.06 | Lady_Aleena | jeep, it is definitely a challenge. One always falls by the wayside. |
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| 06:55.15 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Is that where you stopped though? |
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| 06:55.29 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, I've not left /var/log |
| 06:55.43 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, I believe the MCE log is a hardware log; you'll need some utility to read it, I imagine |
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| 06:56.20 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, oh great...why didn't it come installed with Debian in the first place? |
| 06:56.52 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, This is hardly a great obstacle to overcome |
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| 06:57.42 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, so find the mce program and install it. Check. |
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| 07:00.25 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, apt-cache can be used to search for packages |
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| 07:00.41 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, googling now |
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| 07:01.56 | pragomer_1 | hi. why does an entry in ...config/gtk-3.0/bookmarks like "file:///~/Downloads" not work? the "~" does not work here as home folder. how can I do that? |
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| 07:03.31 | Lady_Aleena | gives up on Google. |
| 07:03.54 | Lady_Aleena | ... for searching "debian mce log programs" |
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| 07:04.14 | diamondsword | hello, I installed debian jessie on windows (dual boot) via netinst iso. I have couple of errors listen while starting debian on the black screen before login page. is there a way to get them after logged in? a text file maybe? |
| 07:05.11 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena, you mean like mcelog ? |
| 07:05.20 | mentor | diamondsword, /var/log |
| 07:05.23 | TomTomTosch | aptitude search mcelog |
| 07:05.39 | mentor | diamondsword, You can also switch back to the console using Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 07:05.55 | mentor | diamondsword, (and back to X using probably F7) |
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| 07:06.30 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, that's the program? |
| 07:06.41 | datasmurf | diamondsword: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-log-files-location-and-how-do-i-view-logs-files/ |
| 07:06.42 | diamondsword | mentor: because of that errors I have no wifi now at debian |
| 07:07.16 | FeignInt | diamondsword: what are the errors? |
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| 07:07.46 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, installing mcelog worked. Now I guess the next time I see an mce message in my logs I can find out what it was. |
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| 07:08.37 | diamondsword | FeignInt: it showed 2 error while installing, one was about wifi but I went on, it couln't connect to internet with wireless |
| 07:09.02 | diamondsword | FeignInt: so I could finish it with cable connection but it was again the same error |
| 07:09.10 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, I think you run the program to see the messages |
| 07:09.20 | diamondsword | after install, I saw there is now wifi, most probably driver |
| 07:09.22 | FeignInt | diamondsword: and the error is/was ??????? |
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| 07:09.45 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, I think so too, but when run it appears I should output the messages to a file first. |
| 07:09.47 | FeignInt | diamondsword: , ah yeah, probably firmware |
| 07:09.52 | diamondsword | FeignInt: give me a while, I'll log on debian and will get it, not remember now |
| 07:11.34 | diamondsword | FeignInt: yes it was firmware failure :) |
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| 07:11.35 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena, mentor, think it prints them to syslog. don't know how far the buffer goes, maybe you have to wait for the next event. |
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| 07:11.54 | Lady_Aleena | I wish I didn't see so many temperature messages in kern.log. It worries me my computer is overheating. |
| 07:12.10 | TomTomTosch | what does it say? |
| 07:12.29 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Maybe it's time to blow the dust out of your computer? |
| 07:12.53 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, I just did that a little bit ago. |
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| 07:13.23 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Are there any temperature sensors in your computer to monitor? |
| 07:13.38 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, I don't know. It is an old computer. |
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| 07:14.31 | FeignInt | diamondsword: do you know what wifi nic you have? |
| 07:14.36 | cluelessperson | can someone suggest a tiny desktop environment that support python-qt4 ? |
| 07:14.38 | catz | Lady_Aleena did you removed the cpu fan entirely ? |
| 07:14.59 | Lady_Aleena | catz, to clean it, yes, then replaced it. |
| 07:15.06 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Perhaps find out by using a sensor program? |
| 07:15.28 | Lady_Aleena | I cleaned the heat sink too. |
| 07:15.45 | TomTomTosch | replaced the paste? |
| 07:15.55 | catz | Lady_Aleena you put on new paste ? |
| 07:15.55 | Lady_Aleena | The paste? |
| 07:16.27 | TomTomTosch | you did not clean it and put metal on metal, did you? |
| 07:16.34 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, No. |
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| 07:16.50 | Lady_Aleena | There's not much metal on my motherboard. |
| 07:17.01 | datasmurf | :) |
| 07:17.06 | TomTomTosch | heh |
| 07:18.16 | catz | Lady_Aleena you need to put on new heat paste on the cpu after you cleaned it |
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| 07:19.19 | Lady_Aleena | catz, there was no paste to begin with. Everything on my mother board is plugs and screws. (And solder) |
| 07:19.51 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena, is there something squshy between cpu and heatsink? |
| 07:19.58 | cluelessperson | Anyone? |
| 07:20.03 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, nope. |
| 07:20.23 | TomTomTosch | fml. |
| 07:20.34 | r6ku | :D |
| 07:20.46 | datasmurf | Lady_Aleena: http://www.maximumpc.com/how-to-properly-apply-thermal-paste-and-install-a-cpu/ |
| 07:20.52 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, There should be a thermal material between CPU (heatspreader) and heatsink |
| 07:20.57 | FeignInt | sorry cluelessperson , I seem to be missing your question in scrollback |
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| 07:21.03 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, It's there to be better at transferrinf heat than air |
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| 07:21.47 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Air is usually classed as an insulator |
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| 07:22.04 | FeignInt | cluelessperson: no wait I see nowm pyqt4 desktop,, I don't know of any .. are any listed on the pyqt4 project page? |
| 07:22.21 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, datasmurf: I didn't remove the CPU, just the fan and heat sink. |
| 07:22.58 | catz | Lady_Aleena it's between the fan and the cpu http://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=176705&d=1401070416 |
| 07:23.12 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, Yes, that's the place the thermal interface material goes |
| 07:23.31 | cluelessperson | FeignInt, good idea, I'll look |
| 07:23.32 | diamondsword | FeignInt: there is a lot log files on /var/log directory, which one is logs on the debain starting screen before login? |
| 07:24.04 | Lady_Aleena | mentor, catz, datasmurf: This is all more the area for my hubby. He builds computers, I'm mostly software (except the OS). |
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| 07:24.39 | Lady_Aleena | I leave it to hubby to install the OS (Windows) because I don't feel like dealing with it. |
| 07:24.45 | mentor | Lady_Aleena, This problem may cause overheating |
| 07:24.45 | TomTomTosch | thinks Lady_Aleena is a troll. |
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| 07:25.39 | catz | thinks TomTomTosch is right |
| 07:26.26 | pragomer_1 | Is there a way to mount a dd-image of a windows partition (via offset of course) and show the creation date of files? do I have to mount it in a special way, because e.g. "stat" does not show a "birth date" ? |
| 07:27.00 | Lady_Aleena | Well, I haven't found anything in my logs to tell me definitively why my computer is crashing, so I will just deal with it like all the other problems I have with it. |
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| 07:30.33 | Wagaaa-ticeos | Excuse me |
| 07:30.57 | mentor | TomTomTosch, catz: So we'd have been trolled into helping the clueless, which is exactly what the channel is for. I feel so violated. |
| 07:31.33 | FeignInt | diamondsword: well, it depends .. you just need wifi firmware at the moment? "lspci" should help id the card |
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| 07:33.53 | TomTomTosch | mentor, i am maybe a bit distrusful, had a troll like that earlier today. :/ |
| 07:34.04 | Wagaaa-ticeos | Can I use Remastersys to make a live CD? |
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| 07:34.58 | mentor | TomTomTosch, I just wonder what such a troll believes they are achieving... |
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| 07:35.42 | TomTomTosch | no clue :D |
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| 07:35.55 | Wagaaa-ticeos | Or, how to make a Debian-based live CD? |
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| 07:37.48 | catz | mentor i think it's a pleasure for them to waste others time |
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| 07:38.13 | Wagaaa-ticeos | Anyone know? |
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| 07:39.34 | FeignInt | Wagaaa-ticeos: https://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD |
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| 07:42.28 | Wagaaa-ticeos | Thanks! |
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| 07:52.22 | diamond_sword | FeignInt: this is my kern.log file from debian https://gist.github.com/anonymous/909486a45dccf3025443 |
| 07:52.41 | diamond_sword | please tell me what is wrong with it and what to do |
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| 07:56.42 | FeignInt | diamond_sword: "apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi" |
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| 07:57.06 | r6ku | diamond_sword: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 07:58.03 | FeignInt | diamond_sword: yeah, use r6ku 's link, it will show you how to add none-free repo |
| 07:58.51 | diamond_sword | hmh |
| 07:58.53 | diamond_sword | ok |
| 07:58.58 | diamond_sword | is it driver for wifi? |
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| 07:59.12 | FeignInt | diamond_sword: not the driver, but the firmware |
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| 08:00.37 | diamond_sword | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/909486a45dccf3025443#file-gistfile1-txt-L848 here it says bluetooth initialized but here https://gist.github.com/anonymous/909486a45dccf3025443#file-gistfile1-txt-L857 i think i don't have bluetooth too, right? |
| 08:02.17 | FeignInt | diamond_sword: if that wifi has bluetooth the firmware will fix that also |
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| 08:02.32 | diamond_sword | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/909486a45dccf3025443#file-gistfile1-txt-L911 <<< what is this? |
| 08:02.38 | diamond_sword | FeignInt: ok then |
| 08:04.51 | FeignInt | diamond_sword: that has to do with power management http://lwn.net/Articles/444887/ |
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| 08:05.48 | diamond_sword | what a code .. |
| 08:05.53 | diamond_sword | I'll not touch it, FeignInt |
| 08:06.03 | diamond_sword | ok let me try for iwlwifi |
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| 08:10.00 | Dan9er111 | hi mates how do i get dkms on virtual box |
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| 08:11.09 | FeignInt | Dan9er111: intstall "virtualbox-dkms" ? |
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| 08:12.47 | Dan9er111 | cant find a download |
| 08:13.25 | FeignInt | Dan9er111: is it not in the repos? |
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| 08:14.56 | Dan9er111 | what does that mean |
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| 08:15.48 | FeignInt | Dan9er111: how did you install virtualbox in the first place? |
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| 08:23.39 | gagalicious | how do i create my own iso with git and other packages etc? |
| 08:24.21 | FeignInt | gagalicious: is tis what you are looking for https://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD ? |
| 08:24.34 | gagalicious | i think uck is what i'm looking for. thanks |
| 08:24.45 | gagalicious | https://sourceforge.net/projects/uck/ |
| 08:25.16 | FeignInt | gagalicious: well, that is ubuntu, not debian |
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| 08:25.36 | gagalicious | ok |
| 08:25.57 | FeignInt | gagalicious: the link I gave lists a number of debian based solutions |
| 08:26.41 | gagalicious | ok thanks |
| 08:27.01 | Dan9er111 | the issue was that kali linus did a 2016 upgrade |
| 08:27.23 | rww | sounds like you want #kali-linux |
| 08:27.25 | rww | !based on debian |
| 08:27.26 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 08:27.30 | gagalicious | sorry for asking... i havent used debian since i started with ubuntu. why debian instead of ubuntu? |
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| 08:28.15 | FeignInt | gagalicious: becuase this is #debian , not #ubuntu |
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| 08:28.30 | gagalicious | why do people use debian? |
| 08:28.31 | bazhang | gagalicious, try an chat channel for that |
| 08:28.40 | gagalicious | ok. sorry :) |
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| 08:59.17 | pragomer_1 | hi. I can connect to ubuntu xrdp server via internet from a windows rdp client.. only if I open ALL ports in my router. when manually opening ports 3389,3350,5900 and 5910 it does not work. what ports do I need?? |
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| 09:02.15 | Shibe | how to set cflags in make-kpkg |
| 09:03.09 | btf | how to diagnose parallel port |
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| 09:05.20 | mentor | pragomer_1, Are you connecting via TCP or UDP? |
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| 09:06.18 | pragomer_1 | mentor: Mm.. dont know.. what is the standard? at the moment I am trying via "rdesktop -u user1 -p mypassword MYEXTERNALIP" |
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| 09:06.48 | pragomer_1 | but I opened in my router tcp/udp ports.. |
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| 09:11.07 | mentor | pragomer_1, I would fire up wireshark or tcpdump |
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| 09:13.58 | FeignInt | pragomer_1: any reason you cannot use a vpn, usually easier/safer than forwarding ports from router |
| 09:14.38 | diamondsword | FeignInt: it worked, iwlwifi |
| 09:14.39 | diamondsword | :) |
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| 09:15.23 | diamondsword | but I want to see my battery status on the top bar, there is power management thing but it doesn't show me battery status on top bar |
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| 09:15.54 | diamondsword | and I want to make the screen brighter, again I arranged it via power management but noting changed |
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| 09:18.19 | FeignInt | diamondsword: I usually use hardware keys to modify brighness on my dell laptop, and battery .. well that 'just works' (tm) |
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| 09:18.53 | FeignInt | diamondsword: what laptop do you have? |
| 09:19.15 | diamondsword | asus n550jx |
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| 09:19.20 | r6ku | gpu? |
| 09:19.45 | diamondsword | r6ku: me? |
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| 09:19.52 | pragomer_1 | The Scenario is just for testing.. under a virtual test machine.. the later real machine will run in a private network.. but for testing I need to do that via internet, you know? |
| 09:19.56 | diamondsword | nvidia geforce gtx 950m |
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| 09:20.58 | diamondsword | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xfce/xfce4-battery-plugin << maybe I need this |
| 09:20.59 | diamondsword | ? |
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| 09:22.44 | diamondsword | xfce battery plugin seems installed on synaptic |
| 09:22.52 | diamondsword | where is it? lol |
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| 09:23.18 | r6ku | diamondsword: it's a panel applet |
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| 09:23.45 | Kasreyn | don't want to start a flamewar but this is unnerving, Debian 8.2: "[ 3.081447] systemd-udevd[183]: renamed network interface eth0 to eth2" |
| 09:23.46 | diamondsword | r6ku: so how to see how much battery remains? |
| 09:24.27 | r6ku | diamondsword: hmm, is your laptop connected to the recharger? |
| 09:24.28 | v0r0nwe | hello fellows, is there any way (for non-experts) to create a bootable usb stick for a debian distro with some additional pre-installed packages? |
| 09:24.45 | diamondsword | right now yes |
| 09:24.54 | FeignInt | pragomer_1: ok, so your router is fowarding the ports to the VM's ip? |
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| 09:25.28 | pragomer_1 | yes.. the router forwards to the vm's ip.. the vm (virtualbox) is in bridged mode.. so it has a "real" ip address.. |
| 09:25.32 | Shibe | how to set cflags for make-kpkg |
| 09:25.38 | Shibe | want to set -O2 -march=native |
| 09:25.47 | pragomer_1 | like I said.. when opening ALL ports in the netgear router.. it works like hell |
| 09:26.09 | pragomer_1 | I am sure I have to open several ports for xrdp.. but I dont know which.. |
| 09:26.42 | FeignInt | Shribe , you should be able to do that via "make nconfig" ( or menuconfig" ) |
| 09:26.48 | bezaban | 3389 |
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| 09:26.58 | diamondsword | r6ku: it's here :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2080392 |
| 09:27.02 | pragomer_1 | yes.. 3389 is opened.. also 3350.. 5910... |
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| 09:27.07 | pragomer_1 | I see them via netstat.. |
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| 09:28.39 | pragomer_1 | I could also post my xrdp.ini for example |
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| 09:58.03 | ChrisH | Q on Debian on sun4v: Any experience on how Linux can cope with the lots of CPUs (Threads) offered from sun4v like T5x20 Systems? Looking for a loadgenerator box for stresstesting and by chance such a box is unused allready racked :) I never really used Debian on Sparc the past years. |
| 09:59.24 | r6ku | diamondsword: since the brightness controls aren't working, it could either be because the kernel is too old or that the nouveau driver isn't working right, try getting a newer version of the linux kernel from debian backports and see if that helps(jessie backports) http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 10:00.59 | r6ku | diamondsword: if that still doesn't work, then try installing the nvidia drivers https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_352.79_.28via_jessie-backports.29 |
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| 10:01.18 | diamondsword | r6ku: how to see what linux kernel I'm using right now? |
| 10:01.34 | FeignInt | diamondsword: "uname -a" |
| 10:01.54 | diamondsword | Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 10:01.58 | diamondsword | am I old kernel? |
| 10:03.34 | r6ku | diamondsword: debian stable is released every two or so years, so sometimes new hardware doesn't work quite right :p |
| 10:03.42 | FeignInt | diamondsword: you are on debian stable, so it is relative.. you are upto date.. but newer kernels available |
| 10:04.41 | FeignInt | diamondsword: first try the nvidia drivers r6ku suggested |
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| 10:04.50 | diamondsword | ok .. |
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| 10:23.42 | madbytes | how can i check where is most disk space used on my debian server? |
| 10:24.09 | FeignInt | madbytes: personally I use "ncdu" |
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| 10:25.56 | madbytes | FeignInt: Got it, thanks |
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| 10:44.06 | Oelaf | How to reduce ksoftirqd it is using about 20% of the 8 CPU's |
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| 10:48.41 | mator | hi , how do i see postinstall package script ? |
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| 10:49.20 | mator | like "rpm -q --scripts" |
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| 10:51.45 | DrOwl | Hi all, i was rebuilding a package yesterday using the deb source / build tools and it looked like there was a missing part to the build rules, how can i check it want just me missing somehting? |
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| 10:54.02 | poffs | issue in iceweasel. how do I make the search engines show their icon when selected? I'm moving from old firefox / palemoon and I hate not knowing what search engine I have selected. |
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| 10:54.22 | themill | DrOwl: you could pastebin the build log and explain what you think the problem is |
| 10:54.41 | themill | mator: for an installed package or one you've just downloaded? |
| 10:54.59 | mator | themill, for installed package, thanks |
| 10:55.23 | themill | mator: it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.postinst |
| 10:55.31 | mator | themill, thanks a lot! |
| 10:55.36 | DrOwl | themill: just doing that now, had to remove my "fix" and rebuild to get the errot out again =) |
| 10:55.54 | FeignInt | poffs: as far as I recall the icon is a uuencoded png embedded in the search plugin , but that might not answer your question |
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| 10:56.22 | poffs | FeignInt, no it does not lol |
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| 10:57.11 | poffs | i mean that I can *see* the icons in the drop down box, but after I select the search engine I want, there is just a magnifying glass where there used to be the icon for the search engine |
| 10:57.46 | poffs | then I type "world war 2" into it, thinking I have wikipedia selected, and I get directed instead to ebay or something |
| 10:58.06 | poffs | then I rage |
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| 10:58.59 | FeignInt | poffs: ah, yeah.. well to be honest I only have one search plugin ( I remove the defaults and only have startpage ), let me look |
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| 11:05.29 | DrOwl | Here is a pastbin of the error i saw building xfce4-panel https://paste.debian.net/380808/ |
| 11:06.16 | DrOwl | Seems to be that gtk-doc is missing for this package, adding it in to the rules seems to fix the error |
| 11:06.30 | FeignInt | poffs: ok, yeah I see the problem now,, in the past you could see the icon .. anyway.. as a workaround go into manage and set a "keyword", then in the main url bar start with that keyword<space><your search term> |
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| 11:07.12 | poffs | FeignInt, mhmm... yeah that'll work |
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| 11:08.04 | poffs | hates it when FOS developers decide to "make things better" by "upgrading" a dual click mouse to a single click mouse - apple style |
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| 11:12.24 | FeignInt | poffs: looks like they simply "changed" the search bar and lost that feature, I quickly skimmed through this https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1099222 |
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| 11:22.02 | poffs | FeignInt, golden. the about:config fix worked in iceweasel-current |
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| 11:22.35 | poffs | er, icweasel 38.6.0 |
| 11:24.41 | FeignInt | poffs: :D , but looks like that will stop working eventually , for example doesn't work on iceweasel 44.0-1 |
| 11:24.59 | poffs | yeah I see that |
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| 11:25.37 | poffs | hmm... I'm using debian jessie... how do I set my repo up so that I can use the bleeding edge iceweasel? |
| 11:26.14 | chele | !next |
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| 11:26.36 | FeignInt | poffs: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 11:27.15 | poffs | FeignInt, all your help was much appreciated. |
| 11:29.44 | themill | DrOwl: you're building the jessie package on jessie? |
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| 11:34.29 | Msh3L | is zorin-9_core built on Debian or Ubuntu ? |
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| 11:39.20 | eject_ck | I can't find hvmloader on Debian -testing |
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| 11:41.08 | eject_ck | https://0bin.link/paste/5g2NoUTZ#agHI7WRmTtyXTIwjehkZYIaiQf7bNIGWOFc5OkyaaoT |
| 11:41.58 | FeignInt | ,v hvmloader |
| 11:41.59 | judd | No package named 'hvmloader' was found in amd64. |
| 11:42.12 | teraflops | eject_ck: sorry is that a question or a statement? |
| 11:43.24 | FeignInt | eject_ck: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=806303 |
| 11:43.27 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/806303 in src:xen (closed): «xen-utils-4.6: missing hvmloader»; severity: important; opened: 2015-11-26; last modified: 2016-01-24. |
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| 11:44.12 | eject_ck | teraflops: that was statement |
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| 11:46.12 | eject_ck | no package yet? |
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| 11:47.57 | FeignInt | ,v xen |
| 11:47.58 | judd | No package named 'xen' was found in amd64. |
| 11:48.29 | FeignInt | ,v xen-utils-4.6 |
| 11:48.30 | judd | Package: xen-utils-4.6 on amd64 -- stretch: 4.6.0-1; sid: 4.6.0-1+nmu2 |
| 11:49.13 | DrOwl | themill i am yes or i think i am! |
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| 11:51.19 | DrOwl | themill: my version and sources https://paste.debian.net/380950/ |
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| 11:52.45 | DrOwl | I was hacking the source, there is a possisioning "bug" in the panel |
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| 11:53.45 | DrOwl | when set to auto screen, it should chose the primary monitor, instead it choses the right most |
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| 11:54.38 | khazakar_ | Hi All! Somebody know how to make any usb device to automount? Usbmount mounts my ntfs-formatted pendrive,but after few seconds it's unaccesible |
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| 11:57.30 | diamondsword | r6ku: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Installation << here i did step 1 and 2. is it enough? says restart and enable the nouveau blacklist, but I don't know what it means |
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| 11:58.04 | r6ku | diamondsword: yes, it should be enough |
| 11:58.21 | diamondsword | r6ku: restart and it's ok ? |
| 11:58.57 | r6ku | diamondsword: yeah, go |
| 11:59.19 | diamondsword | ok .. |
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| 12:06.30 | diamondsword | r6ku: I installed nvidia drivers but again there is no change, and still my FN + bright up/birght down not working |
| 12:06.47 | diamondsword | r6ku: normally where can I change the brightness? |
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| 12:07.12 | r6ku | diamondsword: the fn keys or power settings... |
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| 12:08.46 | r6ku | diamondsword: welp, you can still try getting a newer kernel from backports |
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| 12:09.14 | diamondsword | r6ku: both not working |
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| 12:09.47 | diamondsword | r6ku: are you sure it's because linux kernel? I prefer to be stable :p |
| 12:10.24 | r6ku | not really, it's a reasonable guess though |
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| 12:12.03 | themill | DrOwl: I can't reproduce your failure here |
| 12:12.41 | diamondsword | r6ku: netinst tool installs xfce4-goodies? because I have no volume control |
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| 12:13.01 | diamondsword | maybe this brightness issue is about with that, hmh? |
| 12:13.28 | r6ku | diamondsword: you should get xfce4-goodies anyway, there's a lot of good stuff in there |
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| 12:13.43 | diamondsword | ok .. |
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| 12:15.21 | FeignInt | diamondsword: try right clicking on the xfce panel and "adding" to it |
| 12:15.21 | diamondsword | r6ku: why is this now? pufff >>> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 12:15.45 | diamondsword | FeignInt: I did but there is no applet with volume |
| 12:15.54 | r6ku | diamondsword: looks like some package wasn't installed correctly, do what it says |
| 12:16.57 | diamondsword | r6ku: how can I fix this? |
| 12:17.05 | diamondsword | because I have no xfce4-goodies package |
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| 12:18.01 | r6ku | diamondsword: run 'dpkg --configure -a' and then install xfce4-goodies :p |
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| 12:18.10 | FeignInt | diamondsword: do as it asks ^^ |
| 12:19.01 | diamondsword | ahh sorry :DDD |
| 12:19.06 | diamondsword | by the way the problem.. |
| 12:19.09 | diamondsword | Conflicting nouveau kernel module loaded â â â â The free nouveau kernel module is currently loaded and conflicts with â â the non-free nvidia kernel module. â â â â The easi |
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| 12:19.17 | diamondsword | ugh, sorry for that |
| 12:19.22 | FeignInt | diamondsword: once thatis fixed you may need to install xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin and pavucontrol |
| 12:19.35 | diamondsword | FeignInt: ok then |
| 12:20.06 | DrOwl | themill: Oh strange, and suggestion of what i may be doing wrong then? |
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| 12:22.06 | themill | DrOwl: have you enabled some other feature in your testing? have you ensured that you've got all the build-deps installed? it might be that the build is changing because of some other package that is installed (I tested it in a clean chroot with only the base system and the build-deps installed) |
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| 12:23.12 | FeignInt | diamondsword: ahh, you may need to drop out of X to install the nvida module, get to a tty with Ctl+alt+F1 , oh, wait I don't know which desktop manager you are using :D , what do you get from "cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager" |
| 12:24.00 | DrOwl | themill: arr yes this is my daily worker, i did "apt-get install build-essential fakeroot devscripts dpkg-dev" and "apt-get build-dep xfce4-panel" |
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| 12:30.39 | DrOwl | Ill look at setting up a chroot and testing from there, not somehting i have done before but the guide on the Debian page seems simple enough |
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| 12:35.12 | diamondsword | audio mixer plugin |
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| 12:35.20 | diamondsword | it worked once and not working again |
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| 12:37.17 | FeignInt | diamondsword: has pkg fixed itself yet? |
| 12:37.28 | diamondsword | FeignInt: it fixed |
| 12:37.51 | diamondsword | i guess :S |
| 12:38.26 | FeignInt | ok diamondsword , have you installed pavucontrol and xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin ? |
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| 12:38.41 | diamondsword | now I'm doing it |
| 12:38.46 | diamondsword | do I need pavucontrol? |
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| 12:39.40 | FeignInt | diamondsword: pavucontrol is pulse audio volume control, you will need it |
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| 12:40.21 | diamondsword | apt-get install xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin didn't worked |
| 12:40.22 | FeignInt | diamondsword: well, not *need* but recomended |
| 12:40.29 | diamondsword | FeignInt: ok |
| 12:40.46 | FeignInt | diamondsword: didn't work? how ? error msg? |
| 12:41.10 | diamondsword | E: Unable to locate package xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin |
| 12:41.36 | FeignInt | diamondsword: , oh ok, let me spin up a vm |
| 12:42.13 | diamondsword | https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio#Installing_PulseAudio |
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| 12:50.26 | FeignInt | diamondsword: ok, that plugin not on jessie, but xfce4-volumed should do much the same, and the goodies one should sort out the battery stats |
| 12:50.51 | diamondsword | hmm |
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| 12:54.31 | diamondsword | FeignInt: both volumed and goodies is already installed |
| 12:54.31 | diamondsword | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 12:55.26 | khazakar_ | Somebody know problem about usbmount and ntfs pendrive? After few seconds It's unaccessible |
| 12:55.41 | FeignInt | diamondsword: ok, do the laptop volume keys change volume ( and do you see a volume OSD ) |
| 12:56.12 | diamondsword | FeignInt: no |
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| 12:56.25 | diamondsword | FeignInt: fn + volume up/down/mute doesn't work |
| 12:56.31 | diamondsword | same as brightness |
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| 12:57.13 | Rubzz | i have a debian box that route the traffic from eth0 to eth1 |
| 12:57.37 | Rubzz | there are some daemons that can compute stats of how much data is sent and received daily and monthly ? |
| 12:57.55 | abrotman | Rubzz: plenty .. ntop is one I can think of |
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| 12:58.12 | Rubzz | I'm curious to see how much aggregate traffic pass between the interfaces but is resistant to a reboot, things that ifconfig doesn't ^^ |
| 12:58.20 | Rubzz | abrotman: thanks i will check |
| 12:58.32 | Rubzz | abrotman: and mtgrr is just a frontend for draw charts ? |
| 12:58.46 | abrotman | they both can draw charts, yes |
| 12:59.28 | FeignInt | diamondsword: hmm, ok , do you have a volume applet on the xfce4 panel ? if not can you add one? does that work? |
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| 13:00.03 | diamondsword | FeignInt: I added audio mixer |
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| 13:00.11 | diamondsword | but it doesn't effect, not working |
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| 13:01.00 | FeignInt | diamondsword: it may be monitoring the wrong sound card, e.g. hdmi |
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| 13:01.45 | diamondsword | FeignInt: there is only HDA Intel PCH )alsa mixer) option and it's selected |
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| 13:01.54 | diamondsword | mixer track is Master |
| 13:02.17 | diamondsword | oh wait |
| 13:02.20 | diamondsword | PCH and HDMI |
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| 13:02.25 | diamondsword | there are 2 options |
| 13:02.34 | Anticom | Hi all. Does dpkg --verify take conffiles into consideration? |
| 13:03.00 | Anticom | I guess they're not part of <pck>.md5sums, are they? |
| 13:03.07 | FeignInt | diamondsword: well, the HDMI will only work if plugged into a device |
| 13:03.36 | diamondsword | FeignInt: ok HDA Intel PCH and Master is selected |
| 13:04.53 | FeignInt | diamondsword: try opening "pavucontrol" ( just type it on console, no root requried ) |
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| 13:06.00 | diamondsword | FeignInt: I'm there |
| 13:06.14 | FeignInt | diamondsword: check output tab |
| 13:07.26 | diamondsword | Speakers and HDMI / Display Port is selected FeignInt |
| 13:07.34 | diamondsword | no sound yet |
| 13:08.03 | FeignInt | diamondsword: play around with those controls |
| 13:08.45 | diamondsword | FRAK |
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| 13:08.55 | diamondsword | mute audio was selected |
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| 13:08.59 | FeignInt | diamondsword: :D |
| 13:09.02 | diamondsword | it's working now |
| 13:09.05 | diamondsword | FeignInt: thanks :D |
| 13:09.42 | diamondsword | FeignInt: so, audio mixer is for what now? it is not working properly, should I uninstall it? |
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| 13:10.18 | FeignInt | diamondsword: do the laptop buttons work now? |
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| 13:10.25 | diamondsword | and pavucontrol is not an aplet, I want to add it on up bar, near wireless icon. hmh? |
| 13:10.26 | smhar | greetings |
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| 13:11.50 | diamondsword | FeignInt: some of them work, for example keyboard lights up and down work |
| 13:11.50 | diamondsword | but no chance for brightness and volume control fn keys |
| 13:12.14 | diamondsword | also lock/unlock touchpad doesn't work, well I need it |
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| 13:12.33 | diamondsword | bleh .. :( |
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| 13:12.45 | diamondsword | I don't want to go back to Windows ... |
| 13:12.54 | smhar | I have a problem with this debian jessie pc. I can ssh to my remote -shared- server but after a few times of idle time the connection just hangs and I can only break the connection and connect again |
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| 13:15.35 | FeignInt | diamondsword: xfce is quite stripped back, you sometimes have to go deep to set things up |
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| 13:20.55 | r6ku | diamondsword: if you're fed up with tinkering to get things to work then try mint http://www.linuxmint.com/, it has newer software so better hardware support and less hoops, drivers & firmware are 1-click install. there are reasons to use debian, but ease of use isn't necessarily one of them. I started out on ubuntu myself. :p |
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| 13:24.15 | FeignInt | r6ku: diamondsword , or go back to gnome3 , your laptop is powerful enough and things should "work out of the box" |
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| 13:27.15 | BuFF | Hey, what does deinstall status mean when doing "dpkg --get-selections"? |
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| 13:31.03 | FeignInt | BuFF: it means it was available, but is no longer in the repo(s) |
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| 13:32.43 | abrotman | eh .. |
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| 13:33.30 | abrotman | BuFF: man dpkg, get the right answers instead .. |
| 13:34.07 | BuFF | So, guys, if i'm gonna do distribution upgrade, should it affect the system? |
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| 13:36.00 | BuFF | well man did explained my doubts, thanks abrotman |
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| 13:36.13 | TomTomTosch | BuFF, you probably want to read the release notes :P |
| 13:36.21 | themill | BuFF: it's worth purging packages in that state prior to upgrading |
| 13:37.00 | abrotman | Should if affect the system? |
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| 13:37.14 | TomTomTosch | i hope in a good way :P |
| 13:37.15 | wewlad | hello, debs, how do I change os locale? |
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| 13:38.13 | pfote | wewlad: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:38.14 | themill | abrotman: ideally not but very old cruft not being purged can make the upgrade more complicated and even leave to errors in the upgrade |
| 13:38.33 | wewlad | thanks, pfote |
| 13:38.46 | abrotman | themill: I thought he meant "at all" :) |
| 13:38.49 | themill | abrotman: (we used to see this, for instance, when old unpurged init scripts lacked LSB headers and caused insserv to die during upgrade) |
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| 13:42.34 | wewlad | pfote: eh, not what I need, I meant, how to change OS locale, not compatible locales for the packages |
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| 13:44.28 | wewlad | actually, it might be exactly what I need |
| 13:44.41 | wewlad | what's "C.UTF-8"? |
| 13:44.54 | themill | the C locale with UTF-8 encoding |
| 13:45.07 | wewlad | there's no such a language as C |
| 13:45.22 | themill | and there you are wrong! |
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| 13:45.48 | wewlad | c is a programming language, I meant human languages |
| 13:45.54 | wewlad | I don't talk in C |
| 13:46.01 | wewlad | nor anyone else |
| 13:46.05 | themill | And I meant programming language. |
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| 13:46.29 | wewlad | why not mean dog language then? |
| 13:46.39 | Sir_Designer | wewlad it's a local. it does not have to ahve human attributes. it cares about how to display dates and numbers |
| 13:47.04 | wewlad | if I want english locale be the default one, what do I choose: C.UTF-8 or en_US.UTF-8? |
| 13:47.25 | wewlad | I don't get how a messagebox asking me to write in password would look like in C |
| 13:47.32 | themill | That depends if you want the conventions of the C language or those of US English. |
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| 13:48.03 | wewlad | jezuskrist |
| 13:48.30 | themill | You can answer that question for yourself based on what you've already said. |
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| 13:49.14 | wewlad | well that is stupid |
| 13:49.27 | wewlad | but okay, linux is always like this, I need to get used to it |
| 13:49.38 | pfote | has nothin to do with linux |
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| 13:49.57 | wewlad | okay, debian then |
| 13:50.02 | pfote | neither |
| 13:50.03 | wewlad | still linux-based something |
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| 13:50.13 | wewlad | that's false |
| 13:50.16 | wewlad | I use debian |
| 13:50.25 | wewlad | it's a debian issue then |
| 13:50.44 | wewlad | so I chose en_Us, I closed Konqueror and re-executed it - all menus are still in a different locale |
| 13:50.44 | themill | How is it stupid to ask if you want to have an international standard for representing things (C) or some crackpot nonsense used by a small group and only in north America? |
| 13:51.45 | wewlad | because you can't communicate in C with people |
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| 13:51.59 | wewlad | and clearly, OS locale is something meant to communicate with the user |
| 13:52.09 | abrotman | is pretty sure many communications programs are written in C ... |
| 13:52.16 | diamondsword | ok |
| 13:52.18 | Sir_Designer | you are not communicating in a locale. you are using a particular choice of a locale to format data |
| 13:52.19 | themill | (It's not just for representing things like dates either, it's also paper sizes, sort orders for letters/numbers, ways to represent telephone numbers etc) |
| 13:52.22 | diamondsword | FeignInt: this is about xfce |
| 13:52.22 | wewlad | written in != communicate with user in |
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| 13:52.28 | diamondsword | I want to install gnome |
| 13:52.37 | abrotman | diamondsword: aptitude install gnome ? |
| 13:52.46 | themill | wewlad: C is a pretty common locale for people to use because it's an international standard. Take it or leave it, just move on. |
| 13:53.08 | wewlad | standard for what? |
| 13:53.10 | abrotman | wewlad: I'd suspect you'd have to restart all of KDE to have that change picked up |
| 13:53.14 | diamondsword | abrotman: is that enough? because there is 4 parts here >> https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome ? |
| 13:53.17 | abrotman | just a hunch anyway |
| 13:53.24 | themill | wewlad: for the things that a locale is used for that you seem uninterested in learning about |
| 13:53.55 | jmiquilena | hello, how can i find a fiber device ? lspci doesn't find it. |
| 13:54.00 | abrotman | diamondsword: "gnome" is sufficient, will pull in lots of stuff |
| 13:54.08 | wewlad | I see you play with words the way you like it |
| 13:54.12 | wewlad | then everything is C |
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| 13:54.26 | abrotman | jmiquilena: can you "update-pciids ; lspci -nn" in a pastebin ? |
| 13:54.31 | diamondsword | is that all? I'm new to this.. abrotman |
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| 13:54.40 | themill | wewlad: please actually read some of the explanations that have been offered. |
| 13:54.45 | abrotman | diamondsword: and the "xorg" package if you haven't already installed that |
| 13:55.27 | diamondsword | abrotman: how to know if I have it? |
| 13:55.52 | abrotman | diamondsword: if you just "aptitude install gnome xorg" it will install it if you don't already have it, otherwise, it won't install more packages |
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| 13:56.41 | diamondsword | abrotman: aptitude gnome and gnome-xorg is ok to install gnome desktop? |
| 13:56.46 | diamondsword | then I'll terminal it |
| 13:56.58 | abrotman | diamondsword: no .. aptitude install gnome xorg |
| 13:57.02 | abrotman | i have no idea what gnome-xorg is .. |
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| 13:59.09 | unborn | hi guys.. anyone can give me small advice about multiple ssh keys on my desktop? |
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| 13:59.39 | abrotman | jjust ask, you know how this works |
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| 14:00.17 | wewlad | linux and debian are smart! I now respect the great choice to give users be able to communicate with programs right in the C locale! |
| 14:00.23 | Iridos | you should keep them on a key ring ^^ |
| 14:00.33 | wewlad | how do I restart KDE without rebooting my PC? |
| 14:00.51 | abrotman | log out, login |
| 14:01.04 | wewlad | oh |
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| 14:01.19 | Iridos | not sure if that restarts the whole X server, though |
| 14:01.23 | Iridos | possibly |
| 14:01.28 | abrotman | imagines the K menu has an option to logout |
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| 14:01.38 | unborn | the config file with path for named keys should be in my ~/.ssh/config - is that correct? |
| 14:02.01 | abrotman | jmiquilena: no need to msg me .. put it in pastebin, show everyone ehre |
| 14:02.02 | abrotman | here |
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| 14:02.17 | unborn | I mean keyname_rsa etc.. |
| 14:02.26 | wewlad | yay, thanks, this seems to do the trick |
| 14:02.26 | karlpinc | Iridos: I expect that logging out does restart the X server. |
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| 14:02.49 | Iridos | duh, how DOES one restart X on jessie? there seems to be no systemd service and there's only x11-common in /etc/init.d, which has no status |
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| 14:03.06 | grawity | display-manager.service, no? |
| 14:03.07 | themill | Iridos: X is never started as a server |
| 14:03.18 | grawity | no, it often is |
| 14:03.27 | Iridos | but it used to have an init script for bloody ages! |
| 14:03.33 | jmiquilena | abrotman, have no luck. didn't find the device. |
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| 14:03.34 | Iridos | well, gdm |
| 14:03.36 | themill | a DM is, not X directly |
| 14:03.38 | grawity | just, Xorg *itself* isn't, but the display manager is |
| 14:03.44 | Iridos | yeah... right, right |
| 14:03.55 | Iridos | I remember |
| 14:03.57 | grawity | and so `systemctl | egrep "dm|display" |
| 14:04.10 | Iridos | heh |
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| 14:04.39 | abrotman | jmiquilena: use a pastebin, show us |
| 14:04.40 | Iridos | ah, and there's still a gdm3 in init.d |
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| 14:08.45 | popnfloss | i just got banned from #ubuntu for suggesting debian to someone who asked if ubuntu would run on a system with 192mb of ram |
| 14:08.55 | bhuddah | oh god. please make it stop! |
| 14:08.55 | popnfloss | those people are nuts |
| 14:09.07 | themill | popnfloss: #debian doesn't care |
| 14:09.08 | popnfloss | not nearly as bad as the arch people though |
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| 14:12.58 | wewlad | popnfloss: you'd better not risk here |
| 14:15.01 | wewlad | yesterday Konqueror asked me if I wanted to save a login + password, and I agreed, it used some kind of a wallet or something, I don't remember. How to access the saved data now? |
| 14:15.12 | grawity | wewlad: kwalletmanager |
| 14:15.28 | grawity | (and seahorse for gnome/xfce) |
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| 14:16.01 | smhar | I have a problem with this debian jessie pc. I can ssh to my remote -shared- server but after a few times of idle time the connection just hangs and I can only break the connection and connect again |
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| 14:17.50 | wewlad | grawity: i ran it and it says QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. \n unnamed app(24766): KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server: "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." \n un |
| 14:17.50 | wewlad | named app(24765): KUniqueApplication: Pipe closes unexpectedly. |
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| 14:19.07 | grawity | wewlad: odd, `pgrep -alf dbus-daemon`? |
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| 14:20.59 | wewlad | grawity: shows some stuff |
| 14:21.13 | wewlad | 2 processes |
| 14:21.16 | grawity | searches eBay for a crystal ball |
| 14:21.28 | grawity | does it show any with the --session parameter? |
| 14:21.30 | grawity | also owned by you |
| 14:21.32 | wewlad | no |
| 14:21.39 | wewlad | eh, wait, yeah |
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| 14:21.41 | wewlad | there's one |
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| 14:21.55 | wewlad | '-- fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session' |
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| 14:24.22 | wewlad | well, I guess it's broken then. If I use a different browser, iceweasel, and will save an account credentials - where will it save the data to? kwalletmanager again or it's own container, just like mozilla firefox does? |
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| 14:25.50 | grawity | afaik Iceweasel uses its own, like Firefox |
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| 14:26.50 | grawity | (Chrome/Chromium can use KWallet) |
| 14:27.02 | grawity | either way, browsers usually let you delete this stuff via their own settings |
| 14:27.12 | grawity | is $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_SOCKET set for you? |
| 14:27.34 | wewlad | nah, empty |
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| 14:29.16 | wewlad | how to set up Digital Clock show time in 24h format? |
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| 14:35.23 | popnfloss | <wewlad> popnfloss: you'd better not risk here |
| 14:35.27 | popnfloss | what is that supposed to mean |
| 14:37.01 | grawity | among other things, "the #archlinux ops are watching" |
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| 14:39.04 | popnfloss | freenode ops are fucking losers who ban you for anything |
| 14:39.23 | popnfloss | ive never seen anyone go mad with such a small amount of power |
| 14:39.29 | wewlad | that's why you keep multiple cloaked accounts |
| 14:39.49 | popnfloss | thats why you use ipv6 tunnels |
| 14:40.08 | wewlad | tunnels to where? |
| 14:40.14 | grawity | to banhammer land |
| 14:40.17 | popnfloss | tunnel brokers |
| 14:40.27 | wewlad | tunnel brokers ask for moneys |
| 14:40.32 | popnfloss | no they dont |
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| 14:40.35 | popnfloss | try netassist.ua |
| 14:40.37 | popnfloss | or netnam |
| 14:40.47 | wewlad | thank you, kind stranger :) |
| 14:40.51 | popnfloss | those are both free and allow irc |
| 14:41.12 | wewlad | eh, it's in russian |
| 14:41.24 | popnfloss | they have english on the site |
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| 14:41.36 | popnfloss | https://tb.netassist.ua/ |
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| 14:42.37 | popnfloss | http://tunnelbroker.netnam.vn/setlang/en/ |
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| 14:42.54 | popnfloss | hurricane electric is the most popular tunnel provider, but they blocked irc years ago |
| 14:42.57 | pk64 | Hi, I've been trying to package a library, and things build fine under cmake, but I am having trouble install the .so file to the dynamic location, .e.g ""koku-xinput-wine.so" "/usr/lib/$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH)/"" |
| 14:43.06 | pk64 | Any help, documentation? |
| 14:43.08 | Guest55223 | YES i am daft the hell instructor i |
| 14:43.10 | Guest55223 | Debian is a free operating system (OS) for your computer. An operating system is the set of basic programs and utilities that make your computer run. |
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| 14:43.42 | Guest55223 | oke looking for some vision lacking guest??? |
| 14:43.46 | Guest55223 | o well |
| 14:43.49 | Guest55223 | dont do nothing |
| 14:44.05 | Guest55223 | QA is going in please if they want vision |
| 14:44.09 | Guest55223 | give them KDE |
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| 14:44.27 | Guest55223 | _o_ |
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| 14:44.40 | Guest55223 | thank you for every thing irc |
| 14:44.50 | Guest55223 | <3 |
| 14:44.54 | MonkeyDust | Guest55223 what are you saying and to whom? |
| 14:45.09 | Guest55223 | well |
| 14:45.19 | Guest55223 | we all can chat every where |
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| 14:45.27 | Guest55223 | ill make my next picture |
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| 14:45.49 | Guest55223 | every one can chat |
| 14:46.04 | Guest55223 | wana chat MonkeyDust i have all the time in the world |
| 14:46.11 | Guest55223 | what are you thinking |
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| 14:46.24 | Guest55223 | every one think right? |
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| 14:46.30 | Guest55223 | and love each other :) |
| 14:46.30 | Kobaz | how would i get the ./configure command that builds the standard package, from an apt-source |
| 14:46.50 | grawity | check debian/rules |
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| 14:49.27 | wonderworld | habe hier ein Raid0 aus 2 Platten. Eine ist defekt. Habe sie ausgetauscht, die Partitionstabelle von der noch funktionierenden mit sfdisk -d gedumped und auf die neue Platte geschrieben. fdisk und sfdisk zeigen die Partition auf der neuen Platte an, aber es wird keine Devicenode vom Kernel angelegt. (es gibt nur /dev/sdb aber nicht /dev/sdb1) was kann da schiefgelaufen sein? danke. |
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| 14:52.05 | BluesKaj | !de | wonderworld |
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| 14:52.32 | abrotman | !de |
| 14:52.32 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 14:52.34 | abrotman | wrong bot |
| 14:52.56 | zophy | mein got |
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| 14:53.39 | BluesKaj | abrotman, the | nick is supposed direc the bot info to the nick user |
| 14:53.44 | abrotman | no |
| 14:53.48 | zophy | what is the name of the program that finds the fastest debian mirror ? |
| 14:53.48 | abrotman | wrong bot, wrong channel |
| 14:53.53 | BluesKaj | not here I gues |
| 14:53.54 | abrotman | zophy: apt-spy |
| 14:53.59 | zophy | ah |
| 14:54.00 | abrotman | BluesKaj: as I've said twice now .. |
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| 14:55.05 | BluesKaj | abrotman, blah blah , there that's twice :-) |
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| 14:59.53 | DiamondSword | ok I broke the system, no login screen after install gnome on xfce desktop |
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| 15:00.10 | DiamondSword | now I want to install a fresh copy of gnome |
| 15:00.26 | DiamondSword | but xfce still remains on the hdd |
| 15:01.02 | DiamondSword | is there a tutorial for this how to install debian with gnome on xfce installed as dual boot? |
| 15:01.47 | wewlad | what DM d'u use? |
| 15:01.47 | DiamondSword | I need to first delete partitions on xfce and fresh install for gnome on the same place |
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| 15:02.01 | wewlad | eh, partitions? |
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| 15:02.09 | wewlad | I thought you need just a 2nd DE |
| 15:02.18 | DiamondSword | wewlad, I tried that |
| 15:02.22 | DiamondSword | but it didn't work |
| 15:02.29 | DiamondSword | there is no login screen now |
| 15:02.38 | DiamondSword | so I cannot switch to gnome from xfce |
| 15:02.51 | wewlad | I managed to install xfce, gnome and kde on the same machine and configured a DM so that I can boot into any of them |
| 15:03.06 | DiamondSword | wewlad, simply I couldn't |
| 15:03.08 | wewlad | but... I did that on FreeBSD |
| 15:03.11 | DiamondSword | I'm new |
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| 15:03.49 | wewlad | figure out what DM you are currently using |
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| 15:04.03 | wewlad | some DMs are incompatible with some DEs |
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| 15:04.45 | donofrio__atwork | gotta ask, how do I get debian to be a proper Active Directory client, in that DDNS and dhcp hostname updates dynamicaly with whatever backend certificates and the like needed.....being asked by corp desktop folks to "fall in line" with core windows desktops.....gulp... |
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| 15:05.38 | donofrio__atwork | my daily work driver station fwiw http://apaste.info/upload/sUr.jpg tehy yesterday wanted me to change the hostnames of the systems now they want the dns hostname to match, whiel being a dhcp client... |
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| 15:09.15 | ntz | hello |
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| 15:10.47 | ntz | one Q, I have 7.9 and I see this: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/99474998 |
| 15:10.54 | ntz | wtf ? is 7.9 not supported ? |
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| 15:12.40 | nkuttler | ntz: 7.9 ? sounds like an obsolete release? |
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| 15:13.02 | nkuttler | or what do you mean, not supported? |
| 15:14.09 | donofrio__atwork | anyone else use debian with active directory (as a desktop/client???) |
| 15:14.30 | ntz | 9.8 is not supported by ISC anymore |
| 15:14.47 | ntz | I'm already upping on other servers to 9.9+ (ideally to 9.10.3) |
| 15:15.06 | ntz | I have only very few debians here as relict from past |
| 15:15.10 | nkuttler | ntz: that's not how debian stable works |
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| 15:15.18 | nkuttler | ntz: and you're using oldstable anyway |
| 15:15.19 | nkuttler | ,v bind9 |
| 15:15.20 | judd | Package: bind9 on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze11; squeeze-security: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze11; squeeze-security-lts: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze19; squeeze-backports: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u6; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u9; wheezy-backports: |
| 15:15.21 | judd | 1:9.9.5.dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u5; sid: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-12.1; stretch: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-12.1; experimental: 1:9.10.0.dfsg~rc2-1+b1 |
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| 15:15.56 | nkuttler | see, current stable has 9.9 |
| 15:15.56 | nkuttler | ntz: wheezy-backports even has 9.9 |
| 15:15.56 | ntz | nkuttler: okay, so what repo do I have to use to bring 9.9+ for 7.9 ? |
| 15:16.00 | nkuttler | !tell ntz about backports |
| 15:16.07 | ntz | ok, cool, thanks |
| 15:16.23 | nkuttler | !wheezy backports |
| 15:16.24 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 8 "Jessie" release but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 15:16.30 | ntz | ,v zabbix |
| 15:16.32 | judd | No package named 'zabbix' was found in amd64. |
| 15:16.35 | ntz | ,v zabbix-22 |
| 15:16.36 | judd | No package named 'zabbix-22' was found in amd64. |
| 15:16.38 | ntz | ,v zabbix22 |
| 15:16.40 | judd | No package named 'zabbix22' was found in amd64. |
| 15:16.43 | ntz | hmm ok |
| 15:16.47 | ntz | not asking anymore :D |
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| 15:16.51 | nkuttler | ntz: you can also /msg the bot |
| 15:17.03 | nkuttler | there are various zabbix packages |
| 15:17.18 | ntz | nkuttler: can you tell me howto ask bot for zabbix 2.2.x for 7.9 ? |
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| 15:17.36 | nkuttler | ntz: apt-cache search zabbix, select one, /msg judd v <pkg> |
| 15:17.41 | nkuttler | ntz: or see packages.debian.org |
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| 15:18.17 | liberty | i connected to my computer and dmesg gives me those messages: http://pastebin.com/aza2rT1N |
| 15:18.45 | liberty | does it looks like that my hard drive is brocken? |
| 15:19.03 | ntz | or controller |
| 15:19.20 | liberty | i cant´t find it with the fdisk utility |
| 15:20.12 | Iridos | donofrio__atwork, isn't that zeroconf stuff? |
| 15:20.30 | wewlad | is there any gui utility that visually shows all the users in the system, all the groups in the system, who's in what group etc? |
| 15:20.36 | liberty | anything i can try? |
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| 15:21.06 | wewlad | I suck at user control on my unix machines and I know it's really bad |
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| 15:21.52 | donofrio__atwork | Iridos: I dunno can you use that to update DDNS on Active Directory from a client/desktop perspective? |
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| 15:22.16 | hexhaxtron | Hi! I can do echo "message"|mail -s subject email-address and it works but how can I use an yahoo account to send it? |
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| 15:23.29 | nkuttler | hexhaxtron: configure your mta to use yahoo |
| 15:23.47 | hexhaxtron | nkuttler, where is that? |
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| 15:24.22 | nkuttler | hexhaxtron: depends on your mta, exim by default. i use ssmtp for such tasks |
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| 15:25.30 | liberty | is there any hope that i can fix this? |
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| 15:25.55 | Iridos | donofrio__atwork, there are ddns clients in debian. ddns3-client and some more. not sure at all what you mean with "active directory client" when you then speak about DNS and hostnames. if it's just dynamic hostnames... looks like dhcpcd5 could provide that... it seems to have everything and anything |
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| 15:28.46 | donofrio__atwork | Iridos: I need to ensure that whatever windows 7 does on the network with active directory updates so the dns hostsname matches the client hostname is all they have ask for "so far" (I think this is just the beginning of the rabbit hole but that is all I know for now) |
| 15:28.48 | Iridos | liberty, yes, looks like the communication wht the disk has problems.. probably not much to do... |
| 15:29.22 | liberty | Iridos: can this error be caused by less power? |
| 15:29.49 | wewlad | is there any gui utility that visually shows all the users in the system, all the groups in the system, who's in what group etc? |
| 15:29.56 | Iridos | donofrio__atwork, but active directory is user management, not dns |
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| 15:30.03 | wewlad | I've read https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-users.html and 8.3.2 there is blank |
| 15:30.07 | Iridos | or not? |
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| 15:30.48 | Iridos | donofrio__atwork, I guess I just don't use windows enough to help along :) |
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| 15:32.27 | Iridos | wewlad, what's the point of a graphical tool for that anyway |
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| 15:32.59 | Iridos | wewlad, gnome and kde probably have *something* .... but... who cares |
| 15:33.18 | wewlad | Iridos: I have problems understanding the whole hierarchy of users and groups |
| 15:33.28 | teraflops | donofrio__atwork: you have to set as dns the AD dns server, it has to be set in order to join an AD domain or just to do login into AD, i dont understand why would you need to setup a ddns client on a windows machine in this scenario |
| 15:33.46 | wewlad | I've setup wordpress and got stuck on the 'change permissions' step |
| 15:33.48 | mr_wingo | ,v apache2 |
| 15:33.49 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze15; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u1; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u4; sid: 2.4.18-1; stretch: 2.4.18-1 |
| 15:34.17 | Iridos | wewlad, what exactly is the problem |
| 15:34.30 | wewlad | I don't understand who should own which files/folders and what permissions should be set to each file/folder in the /var/www/html/ |
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| 15:34.40 | Pseudo | hi hello |
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| 15:34.53 | wewlad | I've setup a local webserver, but I plan to move it to the hoster |
| 15:35.05 | wewlad | so I need stuff to be secure, and I suck at managing security |
| 15:35.22 | Pseudo | which link should i go to download for the amd64 that contains alots of desktop viariations to choose |
| 15:35.32 | Pseudo | which iso contains of those any link |
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| 15:35.37 | donofrio__atwork | teraflops: I'm not setting up dns I'm saying how do I completly join this system to the active directory I'm a client and they do not understand that linux is not windows (tm) I mean they do they just want it "in line" with the rest of the destop |
| 15:35.43 | mcm_ | how can i find the executable or exec string of a window? |
| 15:35.56 | mcm_ | there was an X tool, but can't remember the name... |
| 15:36.10 | donofrio__atwork | does no-one here use debian at work? |
| 15:36.40 | donofrio__atwork | I mean "corporation work" within the obtuse restrictions that that may entail.... |
| 15:36.41 | teraflops | donofrio__atwork: you have to set the DNS server in your machine to point the AD DNS server |
| 15:36.45 | wewlad | donofrio__atwork: no, debian is for VMs |
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| 15:36.55 | mcm_ | donofrio__atwork, not me... windows and ubuntu... |
| 15:36.57 | donofrio__atwork | I do not run dns I'm a cliengt |
| 15:37.26 | donofrio__atwork | teraflops: I'm a client I do not run dns on my boxes.... |
| 15:37.35 | corw | in the last update, synaptic gives "W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file '/var/cache/apt/archives/partial/libatspi2.0-0_2.18.3-4 |
| 15:37.35 | corw | _amd64.deb' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)" (not only for this package) what is it? |
| 15:37.36 | donofrio__atwork | I get dns from dhcp lease |
| 15:37.44 | teraflops | donofrio__atwork: dang Im trying to explain myself it's my fault or dont you understand what I say |
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| 15:38.30 | donofrio__atwork | teraflops: I'm sorry it sounds like what you typed was just set my dns to active directory and that is not wwhat I'm trying to do |
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| 15:38.56 | wewlad | donofrio__atwork: no, he said you need to run your own dns server |
| 15:39.05 | wewlad | even I got it! |
| 15:39.15 | donofrio__atwork | teraflops: I'm trying to get it so if I get a new dhcp lease that the ddns within active doirectory reflects that new ipa dress...did I state that alright? |
| 15:39.16 | teraflops | donofrio__atwork: nameserver ip.of.the.AD.machine > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:39.29 | teraflops | -> |
| 15:39.53 | donofrio__atwork | teraflops: you cannot do updates without security certificates and other things I'm guessing.....if I did that... |
| 15:40.33 | mentor | donofrio__atwork, Is simply setting a hostname for the DHCP client to send not sufficient? |
| 15:40.34 | wewlad | is there any gui utility that visually shows all the users in the system, all the groups in the system, who's in what group etc? |
| 15:40.55 | donofrio__atwork | wewlad: does windows clients run there own dns server to do zone updates to ddns? no so why would I need dns if it cannot do unauthorive zone updates? |
| 15:41.02 | teraflops | donofrio__atwork: youre talking weird things about dns and AD im just trying to tell you that your dns server in your /etc/resolv.conf has to point the AD |
| 15:41.03 | mentor | I thought the DHCP server then forwarded that onto the DNS server itself |
| 15:41.17 | wewlad | donofrio__atwork: no, that's why windows is better at AD |
| 15:41.47 | donofrio__atwork | wewlad: so that means I need to give up on debian and install coreos (windows7) on my systems ;( |
| 15:41.50 | mentor | donofrio__atwork, Otherwise, it's a standard dynamic DNS call, isn't it? |
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| 15:42.21 | wewlad | donofrio__atwork: if your corp network is mostly windows based - personally I'd suggest you to use w7 as host, you may run debian on a VM, if you like |
| 15:42.44 | wewlad | debian runs good under any VM software I tried |
| 15:42.51 | mr_wingo | well you meanwell |
| 15:43.19 | donofrio__atwork | wewlad: been running debian for three years now...it's so far only the hostnaem not matching what is in dns that tehy want to resolve... |
| 15:43.38 | donofrio__atwork | I use debian daily at home and work and do not want it to be a "second citizen." |
| 15:43.42 | wewlad | donofrio__atwork: or just create your own dns records, I doubt IPs at your corp network change frequently |
| 15:43.44 | Iridos | wewlad, that depends on the setup of your hoster. the webserver will need to be able to read it... it works better if you ask concrete questions. but the user/group concept in unix is very very simple. |
| 15:44.29 | donofrio__atwork | wewlad: you'd be surprised one of my boxes got a new lease 3 months ago so the staic dns didn't match but the other two systems the staic dns aligns with the dhcp address |
| 15:44.29 | wewlad | Iridos: do you know how hosters usually work? sorry, I have no experience with hosting providers yet |
| 15:45.03 | wewlad | donofrio__atwork: then address machines by their IPs |
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| 15:45.14 | donofrio__atwork | if anyone else uses debain daily at corp work speak/pm me when you can so I can try to keep my desktop's debian and not m$ |
| 15:45.28 | donofrio__atwork | wewlad: cannot use static they do not allow it anymore |
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| 15:48.04 | t4nk016 | how to build debian package including manual page? |
| 15:49.33 | captSamIngram | Without any errors, I attempted to upgraded from v6 to v7 using `apt-get upgrade` and then `apt-get upgrade-dist`. After rebooting, `lsb_release -a` still shows v6. Did I miss a step? |
| 15:49.53 | Iridos | wewlad, if you're lucky, they work in a way such that they have documented how things are set up :) |
| 15:49.57 | wewlad | donofrio__atwork: I'd suggest you to ask on ##networking |
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| 15:50.30 | wewlad | Iridos: ok, so I need to ask this info from hoster prior to moving files to the hosting? |
| 15:50.31 | Iridos | wewlad, but if it's a VPS you're "alone" in your virtual machine anyway... else... dunno, you can look around |
| 15:50.55 | wewlad | so I need to ask if they provide VPS or not, right? |
| 15:50.59 | Iridos | wewlad, a couple of things you know yourself... can you ssh into the machine, or ftp or...? |
| 15:51.12 | wewlad | if they provide VPS - do they provide me the full control over the VM? |
| 15:51.23 | wewlad | meaning I have to manually configure it, right? |
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| 15:51.31 | wewlad | Iridos: I don't have the hosting yet |
| 15:51.45 | Iridos | all depends on what you bought and the exact terms... |
| 15:52.13 | donofrio__atwork | wewlad: you said you didn't know hosting but you want to route me outside debain to the networking folks....smh |
| 15:52.21 | corw | no more debian-next? |
| 15:52.36 | Iridos | wewlad, I think usually VPS provides the kernel, you can do all userspace stuff |
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| 15:53.16 | hexhaxtron | nkuttler, I'm trying this: sendemail -f hexhaxtron@gmx.com -t hexhaxtron@gmail.com -u "Test message" -m "this is just a test to see if it works" -s mail.gmx.com -o tls=yes -xu hexhaxtron -xp xxxxxx |
| 15:53.21 | hexhaxtron | But I get: Feb 12 15:49:33 richland sendemail[29117]: ERROR => ERROR => SMTP-AUTH: Authentication to mail.gmx.com:25 failed. |
| 15:53.30 | hexhaxtron | I don't understand what I'm doing wrong... |
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| 15:54.06 | OerHeks | port 25? most providers have that one closed, for years now. |
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| 15:55.00 | hexhaxtron | OerHeks, Feb 12 15:54:49 richland sendemail[29243]: ERROR => ERROR => SMTP-AUTH: Authentication to mail.gmx.com:587 failed. |
| 15:55.00 | wewlad | donofrio__atwork: so? I have 0 experience with managing a webserver, what does it have to do with AD? |
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| 15:55.27 | OerHeks | hexhaxtron, their site ( gmx) gives alternative port=465 |
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| 15:56.16 | hexhaxtron | OerHeks, it did nothing for like 7 seconds and then: Feb 12 15:55:49 richland sendemail[29258]: ERROR => mail.gmx.com:465 returned a zero byte response to our query. |
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| 15:57.18 | OerHeks | hexhaxtron, seems there is some progress, not sure what else is going wrong. |
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| 15:57.36 | hexhaxtron | OerHeks, maybe the -o option? |
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| 16:27.56 | salviaD | how do I set the user of transmiossion-daemon to an specific user, and not transmission daemon ? |
| 16:28.53 | jhutchins | salviaD: You probably shouldn't and possibly can't. |
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| 16:29.30 | salviaD | jhutchins: I want to set the tranmission-daemon user , make it run as an specific user name |
| 16:29.41 | karlpinc | !tell salviaD about goal |
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| 16:31.06 | salviaD | I have a nice crafted user with all the permissions and owns already already set for a number of services I want to run on the raspberry pi. (By the way, a no GUI version o raspbian jessie) |
| 16:31.29 | salviaD | I want to make trasnmission-daemon run as this username |
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| 16:34.02 | karlpinc | salviaD: So that a security hole in one service can affect all the others? Anyway, that'd be offtopic for here. Go ask in #raspbian. |
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| 16:37.39 | cluelessperson | Question. I want to use XFCE as a desktop environment. What else do I need for a minimal install? |
| 16:37.49 | cluelessperson | maybe a display manager, like light DM ? |
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| 16:38.16 | salviaD | cluelessperson: go terminal only |
| 16:39.01 | cluelessperson | salviaD, why |
| 16:39.09 | dontknow | cluelessperson, don't install display manager and use startx |
| 16:39.38 | dontknow | that way you will have true minimal xfce |
| 16:40.31 | cluelessperson | dontknow, how does it even work? |
| 16:40.37 | cluelessperson | I don't know that I even need one |
| 16:40.44 | cluelessperson | how do I get xfce working? |
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| 16:41.14 | dontknow | cluelessperson, you just login and enter "startx" command |
| 16:41.56 | cluelessperson | dontknow, I want it to automatically login |
| 16:42.32 | LambdaComplex | well, are you using a display manager? |
| 16:42.37 | LambdaComplex | or logging into a tty? |
| 16:43.51 | teraflops | dontknow: how is that related to a minimal xfce? what's the impact of having a DM or not having it? |
| 16:44.28 | dontknow | teraflops, booting faster |
| 16:44.33 | teraflops | dontknow: false |
| 16:44.38 | dontknow | ? |
| 16:44.48 | teraflops | dontknow: what you say is not true |
| 16:45.21 | dontknow | teraflops, tell it to the hdd or ssd |
| 16:45.32 | teraflops | dontknow: does it matter? |
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| 16:46.19 | dontknow | it was booting faster when i have hdd |
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| 16:46.41 | teraflops | dontknow: ive checked several times DM vs autologin into tty ans startx automatically from .zprofile, the system boots faster into the DE using a DM |
| 16:46.50 | teraflops | and* |
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| 16:47.01 | somiaj | Still trying to solve the issue of running a server (Sagemath) by an unprivlaged user on port 443. Just seeing if there is any thing I have missed. Using setcap seems to not work since the actual server is a script under python and I don't want to give the whole python binary setcap for this. I think I'll have the same issue with authbind. I'm thinking what I need to do is use iptables to forward the port from 443 to one > 1024. I just would ... |
| 16:47.07 | somiaj | ... prefer not to do this and actually run the server on port 443 (though unsure exactly why I think this method is not preferable). |
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| 16:47.10 | spnkmetllimsxy | if systemd is now the parent process on certain systems what purpose does init serve? |
| 16:47.42 | spnkmetllimsxy | *now server |
| 16:47.44 | somiaj | spnkmetllimsxy: init is systemd. |
| 16:47.57 | dontknow | teraflops, oh, i wasn't talking about booting into DE |
| 16:48.30 | somiaj | spnkmetllimsxy: i.e. if you are using systemd as init, then /usr/sbin -> systemd. If you are using sysvinit (still possible), the /bin/init points to the init binary for that. |
| 16:48.48 | jhutchins | spnkmetllimsxy: systemd is not capable of doing everything, there are a number of processes that are still defined/managed by the init system even if init itself is not used. |
| 16:48.57 | Hugh_Mann | cluelessperson: this should be a good starting point https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce .. or for a less minimal install you could use the 'xfce-desktop' package |
| 16:49.05 | somiaj | spnkmetllimsxy: I also think the default in the wheezy->jessie upgrade is to keep a copy of init around as a backup. |
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| 16:50.11 | spnkmetllimsxy | i didnt see init in my pstree output. |
| 16:50.17 | spnkmetllimsxy | let me check again. |
| 16:50.19 | jhutchins | somiaj: On mine it's a symlink to systemd. |
| 16:50.47 | somiaj | jhutchins: yea same here. I think a copy of init is on the system in some other place. I recall reading it in the release notes, but would have to double check. |
| 16:51.06 | somiaj | but yes init is now a link to point to the one you have on your system. since debian allows for either systemd or sysvinit to be used as init in jessie |
| 16:51.13 | spnkmetllimsxy | bash-4.3$ file /usr/sbin/init |
| 16:51.13 | spnkmetllimsxy | /usr/sbin/init: symbolic link to `../lib/systemd/systemd' |
| 16:51.24 | spnkmetllimsxy | :D |
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| 16:51.44 | teraflops | spnkmetllimsxy: is just because the noise and then they kept init system backwards compatibility (a bunch of symlinks) |
| 16:52.10 | teraflops | spnkmetllimsxy: noise = haters, etc. |
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| 16:52.27 | Iridos | /usr/sbin/init ??? is this debian? |
| 16:53.59 | cluelessperson | Hugh_Mann, I don't understand the requirements. But I think I need to install "apt-get install xdm xfce4" is that all it takes? Will it be setup fine from that? |
| 16:54.11 | awal1 | How to query BTS by date? |
| 16:54.32 | teraflops | cluelessperson: may I ask you why do you want xdm? |
| 16:54.55 | spnkmetllimsxy | cluelessperson why not just download an iso of debian with xfce preinstalled? |
| 16:55.06 | spnkmetllimsxy | doesn't that sound nice :D |
| 16:55.08 | cluelessperson | teraflops, I just want a very minimal desktop environment, Boot->desktop that's it |
| 16:55.20 | awal1 | I meant via reportbug or apt-listbugs |
| 16:55.40 | cluelessperson | spnkmetllimsxy, I'm playing with building my own. Right now I have a base debian installation that's 170MB, that boots into RAM |
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| 16:56.39 | teraflops | cluelessperson: the DM has nothing to do with the DE, I mean your xfce will not be more minimal because you use xdm instead of e.g lightdm |
| 16:57.07 | cluelessperson | teraflops, I don't know that I even need a DM |
| 16:57.19 | teraflops | cluelessperson: then do not use it |
| 16:57.26 | cluelessperson | teraflops, I'm asking, what does it take to just boot up into xfce at boot, that's it? |
| 16:57.27 | jelly | cluelessperson: you don't really, you can run startx or startxfce4 |
| 16:57.40 | cluelessperson | jelly, hm |
| 16:57.47 | teraflops | cluelessperson: you want autologin into the DE with your user? |
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| 16:57.58 | cluelessperson | teraflops, yes. :) |
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| 16:58.56 | teraflops | cluelessperson: you can pick a DM and configure it to do so or you can setup autologin into tty and do startx from your user .bash_whatever |
| 16:59.32 | cluelessperson | teraflops, ahh, I'll try that |
| 16:59.36 | datasmurf | cluelessperson: slim login manager offers that option |
| 16:59.42 | datasmurf | autologin |
| 16:59.57 | teraflops | datasmurf: yeah i think lightdm does that too |
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| 17:08.56 | taliptako | hello my sound driver broken again always happening same when i format my linux system firstly its working |
| 17:09.08 | taliptako | but 5-6 days later its broken always |
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| 17:11.29 | captSamIngram | I'm attempting to go from Squeeze to Wheezy. I ran into the "immediate configuration" error. I found a section in the debian release notes suggesting to use `apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0`, but I still get the same error. Is there another way to force this option? |
| 17:11.38 | dontknow | taliptako, interesting |
| 17:11.59 | captSamIngram | I've also tried adding both Squeeze and Wheezy to my sources.list as suggested in the same article. No luck with that either. |
| 17:13.04 | teraflops | taliptako: it sounds like magic heh |
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| 17:13.58 | taliptako | yes very interesting :) |
| 17:14.09 | karlpinc | captSamIngram: amd64 arch? |
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| 17:14.37 | captSamIngram | karlpinc: i686 |
| 17:14.58 | karlpinc | captSamIngram: You otherwise followed the release notes to upgrade? |
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| 17:15.35 | taliptako | any advice to reinstall sound driver again completly |
| 17:15.44 | captSamIngram | karlpinc: well, actually I followed a more condensed version from here: http://linuxlookup.com/howto/upgrade_debian_6_squeeze_7_wheezy |
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| 17:16.41 | dontknow | taliptako, sound driver is in kernel |
| 17:16.48 | beepie | captSamIngram, i recall upgrading from squeeze to wheezy was a bit of an issue |
| 17:17.09 | beepie | captSamIngram, maybe post your sources.list, maybe you're missing something |
| 17:17.10 | karlpinc | captSamIngram: Might look over the offical version and see if there's anything different that got left out. If you want the _short_ version... |
| 17:17.26 | karlpinc | beepie: Went smooth for me. |
| 17:17.36 | karlpinc | !tell captSamIngram about squeeze->wheezy |
| 17:17.46 | beepie | karlpinc, from squeeze? that was like 2 years ago for me |
| 17:17.59 | beepie | karlpinc, i recall it wasn't a smooth transition (for me it wasn't) |
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| 17:18.13 | beepie | or should i say 3 years.. |
| 17:18.13 | captSamIngram | karlpinc: Ok, maybe I'll spend more time on it and follow the official guide. |
| 17:18.26 | beepie | (i recall it was a problem-- in my own case) |
| 17:18.27 | karlpinc | !tell captSamIngram about squeeze->wheezy failures |
| 17:18.41 | karlpinc | captSamIngram: Maybe the factoid will help? |
| 17:19.25 | taliptako | dontknow, how can i fix this then i thought that maybe i can reinstall my sounds thing |
| 17:19.30 | karlpinc | captSamIngram: That there's a factoid indicates there could be a problem that others have seen.... |
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| 17:20.28 | captSamIngram | karlpinc: perhaps. thanks for the tip! |
| 17:20.34 | dontknow | taliptako, i dont know |
| 17:20.48 | karlpinc | taliptako: Always a good idea to know how it broke. What happens during those 5 days that could break it? Install any packages? Use unoffical 3rd party repos? Things like that. |
| 17:21.25 | dontknow | also there is always pulseaudio factor |
| 17:21.54 | karlpinc | captSamIngram: You could also pastebin the command you're using, the error you get, and your sources.list somewhere. That will let somebody who knows "something" understand your problem. |
| 17:21.54 | taliptako | actually |
| 17:22.03 | taliptako | karlpinc, you are right! |
| 17:22.11 | taliptako | i installed wine 20 minutes ago |
| 17:22.30 | karlpinc | taliptako: From the debian repos or some other way? |
| 17:22.34 | taliptako | i'm going to remove it |
| 17:22.38 | taliptako | debian repos |
| 17:22.46 | taliptako | sudo apt-get install wine |
| 17:23.02 | karlpinc | taliptako: Worth a try. (I know nothing of wine.) |
| 17:23.19 | karlpinc | taliptako: You could also read it's readme.debian to see if there's anything there. |
| 17:23.22 | dontknow | installing wine can't break the sound |
| 17:23.28 | karlpinc | !tell taliptako about readme.debian |
| 17:24.29 | karlpinc | !tell taliptako about alsa checklist |
| 17:24.45 | karlpinc | taliptako: ^ is the only factoid I know regards sound. |
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| 17:26.37 | dontknow | i bet it is about pulseaudio |
| 17:27.02 | taliptako | !tell taliptako about alsa checklist |
| 17:27.10 | karlpinc | dontknow: Possible. Could wine mess with the network somehow and break pulse? |
| 17:27.29 | karlpinc | !tell taliptako about msg the bot |
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| 17:27.37 | taliptako | i uninstall wine and wine dependencies and reboot its not working yet |
| 17:27.39 | teraflops | taliptako: did you tell what's the issue apart of "my sound driver broken again"? |
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| 17:28.25 | teraflops | taliptako: can it be just muted? |
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| 17:29.20 | taliptako | i dont think so |
| 17:29.30 | taliptako | i will check i |
| 17:30.26 | teraflops | and can you tell us what's the issue? no sound at all, some logs to share with us? tried pavucontrol to check the sinks etc etc? |
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| 17:32.28 | taliptako | its not muted |
| 17:32.54 | taliptako | which logs you want to look at |
| 17:33.11 | teraflops | pulseadio would be nice |
| 17:33.38 | teraflops | also dmesg since you say youre driver sound driver was broken |
| 17:33.44 | teraflops | your* |
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| 17:34.59 | teraflops | taliptako: if pulseaudio is running also paste the output of `pactl list sinks` |
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| 17:35.52 | taliptako | its working here is 'pactl list sinks' |
| 17:35.53 | taliptako | http://kopy.io/JKdcV |
| 17:37.16 | captSamIngram | Squeeze to Wheezy input and output: http://pastebin.com/86D8qAnZ |
| 17:37.33 | dontknow | taliptako, you can use https://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 17:39.24 | teraflops | taliptako: can you play any sound or whatever and share the output again (the output /while/ playing music) |
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| 17:40.46 | taliptako | okay coming |
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| 17:41.48 | taliptako | teraflops, http://kopy.io/Geb3E pactl list sinks while playing |
| 17:41.53 | teraflops | taliptako: hmm, do you do hibernation/suspend there? |
| 17:42.05 | taliptako | i'm searching pulseaudio logs now |
| 17:42.20 | teraflops | taliptako: it looks ok |
| 17:42.21 | taliptako | actually i did systemctl reboot |
| 17:42.54 | taliptako | i installed wine and i make systemctl reboot after it wasnt working |
| 17:43.01 | teraflops | taliptako: and it does not "sound"? |
| 17:43.26 | taliptako | yes |
| 17:43.27 | teraflops | taliptako: what is systemctl reboot supposed to do? |
| 17:43.30 | taliptako | there is no sound |
| 17:43.39 | teraflops | taliptako: do you hace installed pavucontrol? |
| 17:43.43 | taliptako | i dont know actually i use this command firstly |
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| 17:43.54 | teraflops | taliptako: wat |
| 17:43.59 | dontknow | teraflops, it reboots lol |
| 17:44.01 | teraflops | have* |
| 17:44.06 | teraflops | dontknow: yeah |
| 17:44.06 | taliptako | i havent |
| 17:44.18 | teraflops | taliptako: please install it |
| 17:44.25 | taliptako | but its take long time when i make systemctl reboot |
| 17:44.38 | taliptako | more than normal restart |
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| 17:44.57 | dontknow | "systemctl cat" was my wildest dream |
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| 17:45.12 | taliptako | teraflops, i did |
| 17:45.42 | teraflops | please open it while playin somme fancy video or while listenning music |
| 17:45.59 | taliptako | i did |
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| 17:46.42 | taliptako | its active headphon activity |
| 17:46.45 | taliptako | always active |
| 17:46.49 | taliptako | while listening music |
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| 17:47.19 | dontknow | taliptako, open "alsamixer" and look at "auto-mute" section |
| 17:47.24 | teraflops | taliptako: you know you can pick the output in playback and or in output devices? |
| 17:48.21 | teraflops | taliptako: do you have the headphones switched right now? |
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| 17:49.16 | taliptako | teraflops, i had switch speaker to analog output still no sound and i will put headphone now |
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| 17:49.33 | taliptako | headphone is working |
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| 17:50.09 | teraflops | yeah so it's a matter of switching to the right sink |
| 17:50.38 | karlpinc | wonders what version of debian taliptako is using |
| 17:50.43 | teraflops | it's not relted to my audio drier is broken again after 5 days ... :P |
| 17:50.48 | taliptako | 8.3 |
| 17:50.50 | teraflops | driver* |
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| 17:51.55 | taliptako | teraflops, i live this problem always and all linux system i tried ubuntu |
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| 17:52.13 | taliptako | and on ubuntu after 4-5 days my speaker not working |
| 17:52.26 | taliptako | actually there is headphones not working too |
| 17:52.27 | teraflops | taliptako: perhaps you want to take a look at pavucontrol while youre playing music or videos and switching from headphone to speakers, just play with the options. |
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| 17:53.44 | taliptako | teraflops, its cant be fixed with play with options i think |
| 17:53.46 | taliptako | and i did |
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| 17:54.15 | teraflops | taliptako: you can do the same from cli, since pactl has built in autocompletion |
| 17:54.34 | greycat | uh... |
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| 17:55.11 | Neo999 | terminal at root shell also refers to my Ethernet controller as Advanced Micro Devices as opposed to the Qualcom Atheros AR956xx |
| 17:55.21 | teraflops | taliptako: https://ptpb.pw/3y0R.png |
| 17:55.27 | greycat | Unless pactl has its own prompt, and its own readline-driven terminal input, you might be mistaking bash-completion for something intrinsic to pactl. |
| 17:55.44 | teraflops | greycat: I do zsh |
| 17:55.53 | teraflops | greycat: it works pretty well |
| 17:56.10 | greycat | Ah, that would be it then. |
| 17:56.28 | teraflops | it also picks the sinks names |
| 17:56.41 | greycat | You're seeing zsh programmable completion of some kind. |
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| 17:56.48 | Neo999 | I need help I am using lenovo g50 |
| 17:56.48 | Neo999 | laptop for pentration testing classes |
| 17:56.48 | Neo999 | (starting with pentraing wireless |
| 17:56.48 | Neo999 | conn at Udemy academy) but I have |
| 17:56.48 | Neo999 | installed BT5 and a debian os |
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| 17:56.58 | teraflops | greycat: or just a hook |
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| 17:58.26 | dontknow | teraflops, nice desktop |
| 17:58.33 | teraflops | dontknow: thanks |
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| 18:00.12 | taliptako | teraflops, do you really think that it will fix my problem , play with options |
| 18:00.39 | teraflops | taliptako: im confused, you got sound, right? |
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| 18:01.19 | taliptako | teraflops, no i tried all options |
| 18:01.46 | teraflops | 18:49:33 taliptako ⸠headphone is working <- what does it mean? |
| 18:02.39 | taliptako | teraflops, when i set the output device speaker its must be speaker also , and while listening music |
| 18:02.50 | taliptako | its already active moving |
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| 18:02.58 | taliptako | the bar is moving like i have sound |
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| 18:03.47 | dontknow | taliptako, have you played with "alsamixer" |
| 18:04.13 | taliptako | yes i did it too |
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| 18:04.20 | teraflops | so you /ever/ had sound? |
| 18:04.34 | taliptako | no |
| 18:04.40 | teraflops | even switching the outputs? |
| 18:04.47 | taliptako | never |
| 18:04.52 | teraflops | ok my bad I misunderstood that |
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| 18:05.34 | teraflops | taliptako: also i alsamixer pressing f6 and unmutting? (pressing space if I recall right) |
| 18:05.38 | taliptako | thank you so much anyway |
| 18:05.41 | teraflops | in |
| 18:06.04 | teraflops | or m maybe |
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| 18:06.16 | ioudas^work | Has anyone played with a debian isc-dhcp-server cluster? No matter what the cluster is always recovering and I cant get it out of recovery. Anyone know whats up? |
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| 18:08.36 | teraflops | greycat: /usr/share/zsh/vendor-completions/_pulseaudio |
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| 18:10.28 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 18:11.52 | mcgreg | can anybody by chance tell me why Amarok will reset my audio volume to 100% after every song? this is pretty annoying |
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| 18:14.34 | cluelessperson | Question, how do you create a user non-interactively with an empty password? |
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| 18:16.41 | dontknow | i guess you can't create a user with empty password |
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| 18:17.41 | teraflops | you can |
| 18:18.10 | dontknow | interesting :p |
| 18:18.17 | teraflops | useradd -d /dir -m -r -g group myusername |
| 18:19.21 | teraflops | sudo su myusername -s /bin/bash |
| 18:19.33 | captSamIngram | cluelessperson: out of curiosity, what is the need for such an account? |
| 18:20.07 | cluelessperson | captSamIngram, because I feel like it, it doesn't matter |
| 18:20.23 | AvocetVIS | so... dumb question here.. would you then be able to just hit return and have access? if no passwd is set? |
| 18:20.30 | captSamIngram | cluelessperson: good enough. |
| 18:20.50 | jhutchins | AvocetVIS: Try it. |
| 18:21.09 | AvocetVIS | maybe in another life |
| 18:21.11 | teraflops | cluelessperson: in debian exists adduser is a wrapper |
| 18:21.15 | cluelessperson | AvocetVIS, Because it's a USB live boot that boots into RAM |
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| 18:21.43 | teraflops | cluelessperson: if you use useradd it doesnt prompt for a password |
| 18:22.55 | teraflops | i never saw adduser except in debian |
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| 18:36.40 | karlpinc | AvocetVIS: Probably not. A blank/empty password has a hash. No password does not. |
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| 18:36.58 | AvocetVIS | karlpinc: thank you, that was my immediate assumption. |
| 18:37.09 | karlpinc | AvocetVIS: I didn't try it. |
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| 18:37.49 | dontknow | how do you use sudo on paswordles user? |
| 18:38.17 | greycat | is not going to Try It And See |
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| 18:39.02 | karlpinc | dontknow: You authenticate (probably with pam) against another authentication mechanisim. On the other hand, I see little point in sudo since it's almost never used to restrict what commands can be executed. |
| 18:39.22 | greycat | It can be. |
| 18:41.17 | dontknow | i created rootless user |
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| 18:42.02 | dontknow | it is like on ubuntu |
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| 18:42.43 | greycat | You mean "I created a root-level account that has no valid password, thus can only be accessed via sudo, and wait whoops how am I going to fix it when it fails at boot and prompts for the root passwd in single user mode"? |
| 18:43.02 | karlpinc | greycat: Sure. Mostly though sudo just lowers security since it allows root access via a user account. "su -" requires an additional authentication token to gain root. "sudo su -" does not. (The issue of whether root should be allowed to login directly is a 2nd issue, although usually incorrectly conflated with sudo access.) |
| 18:43.24 | greycat | karlpinc: Different tools for different goals. |
| 18:43.33 | ioudas^work | Has anyone played with a debian isc-dhcp-server cluster? No matter what the cluster is always recovering and I cant get it out of recovery. Anyone know whats up? |
| 18:43.41 | dontknow | greycat, yes |
| 18:43.42 | karlpinc | greycat: Sure. (It's my personal hobby horse. :-) |
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| 18:58.46 | DrunkenDwarf | Hi all. Trying to figure out apt-repos (want my own for personal project distrobution). Am I right in thinking that you can set up just a webhosting as a repo (host without shell access) by making the repo files on a debian box with dpkg-searchpackages and upload the resulting filestructure? |
| 18:59.01 | abrotman | !repository |
| 18:59.02 | dpkg | A Debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with <apt>. A HOWTO (outdated since <secure apt>) is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto . Ask me about <list repositories>. |
| 19:00.53 | DrunkenDwarf | abrotman, that link is perfect, thank you |
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| 19:01.19 | beepie | DrunkenDwarf, if you can sponsor debian as a mirror that would be great :)) |
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| 19:02.17 | abrotman | beepie: completely different idea, try not to confuse the asker |
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| 19:04.52 | DrunkenDwarf | I am easily confused ..... |
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| 19:08.09 | bazhang | apt-mirror? |
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| 19:09.18 | abrotman | moving on... |
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| 19:10.40 | dontknow | lol |
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| 19:18.49 | beepie | abrotman, beep. |
| 19:19.01 | beepie | moving on.. |
| 19:19.01 | beepie | :) |
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| 19:43.38 | acos | so my second vm doesnt work properly :( |
| 19:43.47 | acos | there is no gui.... |
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| 19:45.04 | acos | it says im not in group to start x....wont work even from root |
| 19:45.11 | Otacon95_ | hi all |
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| 19:45.25 | acos | howdy Otacon95_ |
| 19:45.57 | Otacon95_ | I apologize in advance for my English is limited |
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| 19:46.07 | Otacon95_ | i have a question about SELinux |
| 19:46.10 | acos | ah i see |
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| 19:46.29 | acos | I dont know much about linux at all...others here know more |
| 19:46.43 | Otacon95_ | ok |
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| 19:49.40 | Otacon95_ | I have 4 administrators in my system, I want to allow admin command (apt-get) for only one (my system administrator), I want to allow network admin command (dhclient) for only one too |
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| 19:50.22 | Otacon95_ | But, if I make a policy with audit2allow, All my users can do apt-get ou dhclient |
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| 19:50.35 | greycat | Otacon95_: you can configure sudoers so that each account can only run specific commands via sudo |
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| 19:51.02 | Otacon95_ | It's a school project |
| 19:51.14 | greycat | Meaning what? You're not allowed to use sudo? |
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| 19:52.07 | Otacon95_ | Even if my network admin is sudo, He musn't do apt-get |
| 19:52.32 | FeignInt | Otacon95_: take a look at man sudoers |
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| 19:52.57 | greycat | "sudo" does not mean "full root, can do anything". You can CONFIGURE sudoers so that susan can only do "sudo apt-get" and juan can only do "sudo lpadmin". |
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| 19:53.20 | Otacon95_ | okay, but it's not with SELinux |
| 19:53.27 | greycat | I don't know or care one iota about SELinux. |
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| 19:53.51 | Otacon95_ | ok |
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| 19:55.26 | jKlaus | Anyone ever have their PDF viewer just stop allowing you to print duplex? |
| 19:55.33 | acos | :/ |
| 19:55.35 | jKlaus | I mean literally just start out of the blue |
| 19:56.13 | jKlaus | I printed a PDF a few times in duplex fine.. I was testing margin/shrink settings to make sure the page numbers would show up |
| 19:56.30 | acos | Did you reboot? |
| 19:56.38 | jKlaus | But now when I try to print it seems the app won't check with the printer |
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| 19:56.45 | jKlaus | Yes sir.. both the laptop and printer |
| 19:56.49 | acos | I cant even install the OS.... |
| 19:56.51 | acos | hahhaha |
| 19:56.56 | jKlaus | lol |
| 19:57.00 | acos | Why do I even bother with computers :( |
| 19:57.08 | jKlaus | debian has become pretty easy to install anymore.. |
| 19:57.16 | jKlaus | give Arch a try ;) |
| 19:57.20 | acos | my system has no gui |
| 19:57.29 | acos | startx gives errors |
| 19:57.31 | acos | RIP |
| 19:57.36 | jKlaus | What's the problem |
| 19:57.37 | jKlaus | lol |
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| 19:57.45 | TomTomTosch | acos, can you pastebin it? |
| 19:57.45 | jKlaus | You don't need no stinkin UI |
| 19:58.00 | acos | problem is i cant do anything with command lines |
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| 19:58.06 | FeignInt | acos: errors are good, worry when it gives no errors |
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| 19:58.36 | acos | its like trying to read yoglephics |
| 19:58.42 | acos | hylographics**** |
| 19:59.03 | FeignInt | acos: tell s the error |
| 19:59.06 | FeignInt | us* |
| 19:59.11 | acos | its propmeping me to login.....it says tty1 |
| 19:59.18 | datasmurf | Otacon95_: why don't you create a group and add accounts to that group, then change the guid bit setguid and setuid bit for the biniaries you would like |
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| 19:59.27 | acos | where is the pretty log in box? |
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| 19:59.55 | TomTomTosch | acos, did you choose netinstall? |
| 20:00.02 | greycat | You can worry about GUI logins later, after you get a basic startx to work. |
| 20:00.12 | greycat | If X won't start, a GUI login is the *last* thing you want. |
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| 20:00.22 | acos | nope....i donwlaoded cd1 |
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| 20:00.34 | acos | i hate netinstall because I want the full os. not some download junk |
| 20:00.44 | greycat | ... |
| 20:00.49 | acos | I never have good web connection |
| 20:00.56 | acos | so ya :/ |
| 20:01.04 | greycat | The "full OS" is way the hell bigger than one CD. |
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| 20:01.23 | acos | then why are other linux distros a single ISO? |
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| 20:01.33 | greycat | Because they don't have 20,000 packages like Debian does. |
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| 20:01.44 | acos | "xauth timeout in locking uahtroity file" |
| 20:01.56 | greycat | 43000 now. |
| 20:01.57 | datasmurf | acos: what ever comes in the isos is just a "snapshot" so you have to run apt-get update anyway after a installation |
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| 20:02.11 | acos | im ready to redo this for the third time and just do a net install |
| 20:02.30 | acos | my vm black screened :( |
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| 20:02.38 | greycat | OH GOD IT'S A VM ISSUE |
| 20:02.41 | greycat | ducks out |
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| 20:03.04 | acos | its problem between user and keyboard |
| 20:03.05 | FeignInt | acos what VM are you using? |
| 20:03.15 | acos | vmware workstation 12 player |
| 20:03.16 | jKlaus | alright this is really pissing me off |
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| 20:03.36 | jKlaus | acos, use VB ;) |
| 20:03.47 | jKlaus | I cannot get this stupid printer to act right |
| 20:03.48 | acos | im gonna hard power down....I declare this vm dead.... |
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| 20:03.56 | teraflops | rip |
| 20:04.01 | acos | rip |
| 20:04.04 | teraflops | heh |
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| 20:04.49 | teraflops | you can boot btrfs snapshots directly with qemu, i bet vmware does not do that :P |
| 20:04.49 | datasmurf | acos: did you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common? |
| 20:05.09 | datasmurf | or x11server-common or something can remmber it right now |
| 20:05.20 | greycat | Let's wait for the next installation attempt. |
| 20:05.33 | beepie | datasmurf, for a displaymanager that could be done |
| 20:05.47 | beepie | datasmurf, eg, dpkg-reconfigure gdm, would show other options (eg, kdm, ..) |
| 20:06.01 | acos | nope....jsut deleted all the vms |
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| 20:06.14 | TomTomTosch | jKlaus, did you try to just reconfigure your printer? |
| 20:06.24 | jKlaus | Yes |
| 20:06.28 | beepie | acos, netinst is actually not junk, it has its useful purpose |
| 20:06.34 | jKlaus | I have completely removed and installed new |
| 20:06.37 | beepie | acos, i tend to use it alot |
| 20:06.47 | jKlaus | It works fine in gedit |
| 20:06.52 | jKlaus | so it seems more app related |
| 20:06.56 | acos | I hate to use the bandwidth |
| 20:07.01 | acos | i need to clone this vm |
| 20:07.07 | acos | so i can go back to it when i mess up |
| 20:07.13 | jhutchins | teraflops: vmware has some sort of weird delta format for snapshots, not sure there is a thing that you could boot. |
| 20:07.24 | datasmurf | beepie: i agree with you netinstall is the iso you go for, cd/dvd full imgs only if have no inet at all for the machine |
| 20:07.26 | jKlaus | I would say its really just the application had I not already printed duplexed 10 minutes ago |
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| 20:07.41 | acos | on my laptop it should take 4 min to make a new vm |
| 20:07.47 | jhutchins | teraflops: You can of course create distributable VMs that you can copy. |
| 20:07.50 | acos | ssd and i7 is amazing combo |
| 20:07.59 | greycat | If you're on a low-bandwidth connection, then using a full CD1 or DVD1 image is somewhat sensible. |
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| 20:08.19 | acos | how do i get gui in full cd1? |
| 20:08.26 | greycat | (But it assumes you have a different bandwidth connection or sneakernet way to *get* the DVD or CD image.) |
| 20:08.28 | jhutchins | So the live images are hybrid installers, but the install DVD images are not hybrid live. |
| 20:08.46 | FeignInt | acos: get a live image, and "try" before install |
| 20:09.09 | datasmurf | acos: http://www.osboxes.org/vmware-images/ that might help you |
| 20:09.11 | teraflops | jhutchins: i mean i take a brtfs snapshot of my real machine and then i can boot it via qemu |
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| 20:09.24 | acos | the website was layed out so bad...couldnt find download links :( |
| 20:09.34 | acos | it kept sendimg me to netisntall |
| 20:09.34 | jhutchins | teraflops: Oh, well, yeah. There's a way to do it in VMWare too though. |
| 20:09.39 | beepie | teraflops, qemu already has its own snapshotting system |
| 20:09.45 | teraflops | jhutchins: hmm i do not use vmware sure it can do good things |
| 20:09.50 | greycat | I don't know what-all packages are on each of the different possible images. If your installer has something like "Debian workstation" in the tasksel option at the end, you can try that. Otherwise, just do a "Standard" install, log in after the reboot, install X and a terminal and a window manager, and go from there. |
| 20:10.07 | FeignInt | acos: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 20:10.15 | jhutchins | I did find that vbox perforrmed a LOT better than player on an old desktop. |
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| 20:10.20 | greycat | I would avoid the "live" images. |
| 20:10.21 | datasmurf | acos: http://www.osboxes.org/debian/#debian-8_2-jessie-vmware |
| 20:10.33 | acos | ya it would be great if i knew how to install x and a window manager...why dont they put that in the default iso? |
| 20:10.39 | teraflops | beepie: yeah but isn't amazing you can boot virtualized copies of live systems in a couple of keystrokes? |
| 20:10.45 | greycat | acos: MAYBE THEY DO ... ARGH |
| 20:10.46 | jelly | !install x |
| 20:10.46 | dpkg | To install X in Debian: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 20:10.50 | greycat | Gods. |
| 20:11.04 | acos | ooooooo |
| 20:11.08 | greycat | Nobody knows what the hell is on each possible image because there is an ever-increasing SEA of different images out there. |
| 20:11.10 | acos | :/ |
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| 20:11.34 | acos | i just want to apt-get install linux and walk away from my pc and have it setup hahaha |
| 20:11.37 | acos | a boy can dream |
| 20:11.52 | Ooze | I just want to apt-get girlfriend |
| 20:11.53 | greycat | Tasksel is very close to that. |
| 20:12.10 | acos | aww Ooze |
| 20:12.12 | acos | the feels |
| 20:12.18 | beepie | acos, it may be sddm that is the default displaymanager,-- you'd probably just need to specifiy "sddm gnome" to apt-get and that should take care of the rest |
| 20:12.30 | greycat | what |
| 20:12.40 | Horton | nobody in this channel has GFs as we're all a bunch of hipster nerds. |
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| 20:13.03 | datasmurf | lol |
| 20:13.08 | blind | Nerd, yes. Hipster, no :( |
| 20:13.10 | beepie | Horton, well the guy who created debian based the name of his project from his gf's name.. so um :) |
| 20:13.11 | acos | I let my ex go on my IRC once a few months ago...she was asking questiosn that were way too deep |
| 20:13.19 | beepie | Horton, ummmm yeah.. :) |
| 20:13.25 | jKlaus | SOB |
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| 20:13.38 | jKlaus | the duplex issue seems to be file specific |
| 20:13.41 | jKlaus | MOTHER EFF |
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| 20:14.54 | acos | qwerty |
| 20:15.02 | acos | oops....wrong window |
| 20:15.30 | terminalmage | I'm trying to get to the bottom of a packaging issue with some internally-created .debs. And please forgive the question if it's a silly one, as I am not a debian guy. But, it is common for a Debian Jessie package to deploy multiple kinds of init configuration files? |
| 20:15.56 | terminalmage | For instance, a systemd unit file, a sysvinit script, and an upstart config file? |
| 20:15.57 | FeignInt | acos: might as well set no password if you use qwerty |
| 20:16.00 | jhutchins | Anybody know if the live CD has good recovery tools or if systemrescuecd would be better? |
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| 20:16.08 | greycat | terminalmage: upstart would be uncommon |
| 20:16.09 | beepie | terminalmage, upstart is ubuntu only |
| 20:16.16 | terminalmage | yeah, thought so on that |
| 20:16.22 | beepie | terminalmage, and even ubuntu is movingn away from upstart, so it is being discouraged |
| 20:16.24 | acos | FeignInt, hmm good call |
| 20:16.40 | acos | so do I use entire disk or do I use LVM? |
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| 20:16.49 | acos | Does it matter? |
| 20:16.50 | FeignInt | acos: lvm |
| 20:16.53 | terminalmage | beepie, greycat: so WRT systemd and sysvinit, is it common to deploy both? |
| 20:17.18 | jhutchins | terminalmage: Yes, there are a lot of things that haven't been modified to be pure systemd yet. |
| 20:17.19 | greycat | Yes. |
| 20:17.22 | FeignInt | acos: but it doesn't really matter in a VM |
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| 20:17.31 | acos | Do I select all file in 1 partiitons>? |
| 20:17.31 | terminalmage | and are there any caveats to doing so? Like, does systemd prefer the unit file if present an always ignore sysvinit? |
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| 20:17.42 | acos | im goign to non lvm |
| 20:17.43 | beepie | terminalmage, there's a dual-support stub include for the traditional sysv to work with systemd -- you can see this somewhere if you look at other init files in /etc/init.d/ |
| 20:17.44 | jhutchins | acos: LVM is one more thing to go wrong. |
| 20:17.45 | greycat | acos: in a VM? Sure, why not. It's all virtual disk. |
| 20:18.00 | greycat | You don't need multiple partitions of a virtual disk. |
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| 20:18.09 | jhutchins | acos: I prefer a single partition + swap unless I know EXACTLY where the data will be going (like a DB). |
| 20:18.18 | terminalmage | Yeah I'm only worried about potential issues from having both a unit file and sysvinit script for the same service |
| 20:18.26 | jhutchins | greycat: Don't need 'em for a physical either. |
| 20:18.31 | acos | ah you people are so smart ^.^ |
| 20:19.08 | greycat | terminalmage: the sysvinit script will just be a fallback in case the user isn't running systemd |
| 20:19.10 | jhutchins | You need multiple partitions because a 10M disk costs $25,000 and weighs a ton and a half. |
| 20:20.04 | beepie | using swap in a vm is imho unnecessary knowing that you're either testing or dedicating an expected service load |
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| 20:21.25 | terminalmage | greycat: yeah but if it has the stub at the top of the init script, then systemd will run the init script, right? |
| 20:21.34 | acos | well im just learning terminalmage and greycat |
| 20:21.45 | acos | Some day I hope to be as good as you people |
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| 20:21.57 | terminalmage | we have both files in our .deb, an initscript with the stub, and a unit file |
| 20:22.02 | greycat | terminalmage: systemd will run a systemd unit file if one exists; otherwise, it looks for a sysvinit script. |
| 20:22.11 | terminalmage | if the init script will always be ignored, then I think we're OK |
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| 20:22.21 | terminalmage | greycat: ok yeah, that's what I was trying to get at |
| 20:22.25 | terminalmage | cool, thanks |
| 20:22.26 | quitte_ | Hi. I need to do quite a bit of entries for a xml file with a pretty simple schema. CMSIS-SVD, to be precise. Could anyone recommend a program for that? |
| 20:22.43 | terminalmage | I figured this was the case but wanted confirmation, thanks greycat, beepie |
| 20:24.35 | quitte_ | I'd like to not worry about the markup again and again. Eclipses xml editor doesn't cope with the file size. |
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| 20:26.15 | BuFF | Hello, it is out of topic but maybe anyone knows here how can I reset my AWS passwd if I forgot ZIP code also? |
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| 20:26.45 | jordanm | BuFF: yes, it's off-topic. contact aws support |
| 20:27.23 | BuFF | jordanm: i would if they had like e-mail or at least phone number ;] |
| 20:28.02 | jordanm | BuFF: when you file a support ticket in the support center and select "phone" it calls your phone |
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| 20:50.40 | diamondsword | I totally frakked up windows and grub loader |
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| 20:51.22 | diamondsword | someone please help me to install debian with gnome and how to get windows 8 back |
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| 20:51.40 | sh00p | wait diagnostuck |
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| 20:51.41 | beepie | diamondsword, yeah right |
| 20:51.48 | sh00p | i mean diamondsword |
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| 20:51.54 | greycat | Get debian working, boot into it, make sure os-prober is installed, run update-grub. |
| 20:52.14 | sh00p | boot loader are the easist problems to solve |
| 20:52.20 | sh00p | as long as you do the things in the right order |
| 20:52.20 | diamondsword | I had debian with xfce but on xfce I couldn't make volume and brightness work |
| 20:52.33 | diamondsword | so apt-get install gnome and It didn't workü |
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| 20:52.58 | ozzloy | can i just delete the file /var/mail/mail ? |
| 20:53.20 | ozzloy | if i don't care about all the mail there, that is |
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| 20:53.51 | greycat | ozzloy: as far as I know, yes |
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| 20:54.12 | greycat | if the "mail" user receives more mail in the future, it should just get recreated |
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| 20:54.25 | jhutchins | !install gnome |
| 20:54.25 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 20:55.15 | jhutchins | diamondsword: Is debian booting properly? |
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| 20:58.58 | khazakar_ | Hi all again,I need to make user for kodi(not to use,just for autostart),on which groups It must be to have full fuctionality,with reboot etc from Kore too? |
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| 21:01.57 | ioudas^work | Has anyone played with a debian isc-dhcp-server cluster? No matter what the cluster is always recovering and I cant get it out of recovery. Anyone know whats up? |
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| 21:09.11 | jhutchins | khazakar_: See kodi docs for that. |
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| 21:10.42 | karlpinc | ioudas^work: No clue. But the logs are your friends. Possibly see-also the readme.debian. |
| 21:10.48 | karlpinc | !tell ioudas^work about readme.debian |
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| 21:11.58 | ioudas^work | Yeah the readme is full of nothing. Logs show rejected: incoming update is less critical than outgoing update. Main server just stays recovering. |
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| 21:15.13 | khazakar_ | jhutchins but when I do like they do Kodi don't want to start :/ |
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| 21:17.07 | karlpinc | ioudas^work: Sounds like they all think they are master or something. Have they all been restarted (maybe not just reloaded) to ensure that they're really running off of the config you think they are using? |
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| 21:17.26 | ioudas^work | yeah initally i wouldnt even get that.. until i restarted secondary |
| 21:17.30 | ioudas^work | ive bounced both |
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| 21:17.40 | karlpinc | ioudas^work: Just guessing here. I'm out of ideas. |
| 21:18.17 | karlpinc | ioudas^work: Googled the log content? |
| 21:19.58 | diamondsword | I broke the pc, both windows and debian but I want to install them both again |
| 21:20.10 | diamondsword | which one must I install first? |
| 21:20.37 | diamondsword | it is becase grub loader, it frakked up things |
| 21:20.39 | diamondsword | :S |
| 21:21.01 | ioudas^work | yeah |
| 21:21.08 | ioudas^work | people say its incorrect config/firewal |
| 21:21.11 | ioudas^work | no firewall is setup |
| 21:21.18 | ioudas^work | config is copied directly from those sites or isc |
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| 21:22.52 | jhutchins | diamondsword: People have been dual-booting with grub for nearly two decades. |
| 21:22.53 | karlpinc | ioudas^work: You can confort yourself by thinking that it's probably something really stupid. Perhaps diff-ing the configs of the different boxes would shine some light? |
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| 21:23.15 | diamondsword | jhutchins: I couldn't make it ok |
| 21:23.29 | diamondsword | it hates windows partitions |
| 21:23.29 | jhutchins | diamondsword: Anyway - it's usually easier to install Windows first, then Linux. Things kind of evolved that way, people adding experimental Linux to working Windows. |
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| 21:24.07 | jhutchins | diamondsword: Microsoft dinked with the filesystems on W8. |
| 21:24.12 | Pseudo | hello |
| 21:24.32 | Pseudo | what are the name of the debian GUI package manager instead of sudo apt-get i can use? |
| 21:24.43 | greycat | You have to install ntfs-3g to mount NTFS partitions read-write in newer version of Windows. |
| 21:24.45 | jhutchins | Pseudo: There's aptitude. |
| 21:24.46 | greycat | s/in/from/ |
| 21:24.49 | triski | dinked? |
| 21:24.53 | Pseudo | like solydx maybe its have a package manager on the sidebar |
| 21:24.59 | jhutchins | triski: Technical term. |
| 21:25.13 | triski | LoL |
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| 21:25.19 | karlpinc | ioudas^work: FWIW, I typically run dhcp and dns on the same box. So, rather than clustering I setup hot-failover. This is so that dns can take over on the ip of the failed box. Otherwise you get dns delays in clients when any server goes down. |
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| 21:25.44 | Pseudo | jhutchins: with the konsole that you mean> no i want to looks what choice of package that i can view first before installing the package |
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| 21:25.47 | jhutchins | Pseudo: There's synaptic, but most full GUI wrappers for package management are terribly large and slow. |
| 21:25.49 | ioudas^work | Im not really grabbing how thatd be doable |
| 21:25.54 | ioudas^work | easily |
| 21:25.58 | ioudas^work | or reasonably |
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| 21:26.10 | Pseudo | ok i got what u mean. |
| 21:26.12 | jhutchins | Pseudo: Yes, aptitude does that. Just run "aptitude" without any package names. |
| 21:26.23 | Pseudo | i just want to view the package description first before installing them |
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| 21:26.33 | karlpinc | ioudas^work: You'd use some sort of heartbeat package. I've not done it on linux, just openbsd with carp. |
| 21:26.35 | Pseudo | thanks mate |
| 21:26.42 | ioudas^work | eh, im all good with that. |
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| 21:28.05 | greycat | http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#35 is one of the best OpenBSD songs, too. |
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| 21:28.22 | khazakar_ | Any help? http://pastebin.com/i2sySBLv |
| 21:29.26 | triski | diamondsword, it is usually better to install windows first as it will not rewrite your bootloader, but you can install it as second OS and then recover the bootloader https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en |
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| 21:30.39 | diamondsword | triski: I'll install windows first, right |
| 21:30.41 | diamondsword | thank you |
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| 21:31.30 | triski | the perfect case is when you do not install Windows :D |
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| 21:44.15 | khazakar_ | Which group in system handles the commands like shutdown,reboot etc? I want to add a user to that group to have access from remote control |
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| 21:44.55 | greycat | I don't think you can shutdown without full UID=0 root. |
| 21:45.00 | greycat | I could be wrong though. |
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| 21:45.09 | khazakar_ | so add a user to sudo group? |
| 21:45.35 | greycat | well, err, yeah, that would work... I thought you wanted finer granularity. |
| 21:45.52 | khazakar_ | Yup,I wanted make it finer |
| 21:46.00 | LambdaComplex | greycat: Can't you use PAM to allow non-root users to shutdown? |
| 21:46.12 | greycat | if you can, I have no idea how to do it |
| 21:47.07 | grawity | with systemd as init, polkit controls that, so you can write custom rules |
| 21:47.23 | LambdaComplex | Yeah, I think I was thinking polkit |
| 21:47.29 | grawity | (the default rules already allow shutdown from local console) |
| 21:47.31 | khazakar_ | I need it for kodi to control my server over Kore |
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| 21:48.34 | khazakar_ | s/over/with |
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| 21:50.41 | grawity | http://sprunge.us/QRcP should work |
| 21:51.45 | khazakar_ | It works for reboot,suspend etc too? |
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| 21:53.20 | jercos | 'lo folks, I'm running an x86 multiarch sid system that started as 32-bit (lots of organic upgrade fun >.>) and I'm trying to get the 64-bit package for trafficserver installed... it seems to depend on an arch-matching "perl" package (not perl-base mind you) without a clear reason. Assuming I'm right and trafficserver's perl dependency is not linking-related, what's the most sane way to get around that depe |
| 21:53.26 | jercos | ndency? |
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| 21:53.54 | ioudas^work | Has anyone played with a debian isc-dhcp-server cluster? No matter what the cluster is always recovering and I cant get it out of recovery. Anyone know whats up? |
| 21:54.10 | grawity | khazakar_: use login1.* to allow everything |
| 21:55.09 | khazakar_ | thanks grawity |
| 21:56.15 | jercos | Builting my own trafficserver package with the perl dependency swapped for perl:any seems almost as hairy for maintenence as forcing dpkg to ignore the dependency, and making a stub to provide perl:amd64 without displacing perl:i386 seems similarly like leaving a mine laying around to be stepped on in the future. |
| 21:56.45 | jercos | Building* |
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| 22:01.12 | hexnewbie | Is there any known issue with Nimbus Mono L / Roman 9 L cyrillic characters not showing in Libeoffice, but showing in all other apps? It happens on some subset of Nimbus fonts on my desktop, and *another* subset of the Nimbus fonts on my laptop, all glyphs show fine in kfontview or Calligra. |
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| 22:02.15 | hexnewbie | I used a different fork of URW fonts because the Nimbus ones "lacked cyrillic", but now I realised the other fork is ugly and the Nimbus fonts have cyrillic outside of Libreoffice (which appears to be broken in some way) |
| 22:02.41 | DoctorD90 | guys, i have read a little bit about exim. In the end, i think i agree with you, SerajewelKS and jelly :P i will enable a normal mail server. My only question is: if i connect to any mail server trougth telnet, (EHLO and other commands..) i can write mail, and send them...(ok, now provider send mails only if i auth myself with them)....if i install exim, it will allow it by default? I can connect from external to my exim server, (ehlo and |
| 22:02.41 | DoctorD90 | other command) and send mail? Or i can only if im from ssh logged to my account? |
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| 22:03.09 | hexnewbie | I guess I could just install corefonts, but I was hoping free fonts can do the job. |
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| 22:05.48 | hexnewbie | Is there a tool to list fontconfig fonts, together with the filenames they come from? |
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| 22:10.36 | khazakar_ | grawity that version made working reboot etc from kore :P http://kodi.wiki/view/HOW-TO:Suspend_and_wake_in_Ubuntu |
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| 22:11.34 | khazakar_ | BTW,how to replace plain text during loading a system to custom splash? |
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| 22:15.33 | hexnewbie | OK, I found the issue. The texlive-fonts-recommended package is including a font with the same name, and an incomplete glyph set. Is there a way to blacklist the fonts in its directory? |
| 22:15.39 | hexnewbie | I tried the following, but it didn't work: <fontconfig><selectfont><rejectfont>/usr/share/fonts/type1/texlive-fonts-recommended/*</rejectfont></selectfont></fontconfig> |
| 22:16.14 | hexnewbie | Basically, texlive-fonts-recommended is breaking the system fonts. Ugh. |
| 22:17.17 | DoctorD90 | hexnewbie, if you want fonts list try font manager :) |
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| 22:18.01 | DoctorD90 | hexnewbie, font-manager is the package :) |
| 22:18.07 | hexnewbie | I don't know what I want. Uninstalling latex didn't solve the issue. Cyrillic is still not working. :( |
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| 22:19.43 | DoctorD90 | ok :P |
| 22:19.54 | hexnewbie | I'm back to thinking LibreOffice is just broken, and will use different word processor. |
| 22:20.23 | hexnewbie | By the way, if anyone wonders: fc-list is the command for finding the fonts :) |
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| 22:29.29 | hexnewbie | Is LibreOffice using fontconfig? Like, do the results from fc-list apply to LibreOffice at all? |
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| 22:39.40 | jeep | hexnewbie: just delete / move the fonts to different folder ? |
| 22:40.46 | hexnewbie | jeep: Well, I was missing a <glob> tag in the font config. I also deleted texlive completely just to be sure. But it didn't help. Strangely as it seems, the broken fonts aren't what's breaking the remaining fonts. |
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| 22:48.47 | hexnewbie | OK. That's profoundly crazy. The problem got suddenly solved by itself. I moved everything from /etc/fonts/conf.d to another directory, ran lowriter, then moved them back, and now it's OK. Perhaps some cache issue? So it *was* the tex fonts I blacklisted. |
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| 23:26.39 | foo | If I have issues with SSH timing out, is there a way to set it so SSH rarely times out, and if it does, it does it quickly? eg. sometimes it seems to lag and I'm not sure exactly what it is. Let's say I'm switching wifi networks |
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| 23:31.57 | zykotick9 | foo: you might want to look into mosh as an alternative/complement to ssh. |
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| 23:37.46 | foo | zykotick9: thank you |
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| 23:40.41 | apollo13 | hi, I am having a somewhat odd problem, I am running ssh-keygen -r to collect SSHFP fingerprints, but depending on from which client I execute the command, I get different results -- any idea why? |
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| 23:47.13 | petn-randall | apollo13: Older versions showed fingerprints in MD5, newer ones show them in SHA256. Maybe that's the issue? |
| 23:47.26 | petn-randall | apollo13: Other explanation is that you're being MITMed ;) |
| 23:47.38 | apollo13 | petn-randall: dns sshfp is defined as either sah1 or sha2, md5 is not defined there |
| 23:47.42 | apollo13 | mitm in the lan? no |
| 23:47.59 | apollo13 | the only diff here is that I have ssh on debian unstable and debian stable |
| 23:48.11 | apollo13 | which would match what you said, but⦠|
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| 23:49.29 | petn-randall | apollo13: The hashes should be different lengths, then |
| 23:49.31 | apollo13 | petn-randall: https://dpaste.de/zWvy/raw what are you getting |
| 23:49.34 | apollo13 | petn-randall: nope, same length |
| 23:49.47 | apollo13 | from the returned length they are sha1 and sha2 |
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