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| 00:36.12 | KhazAkar | Hi,any working fix to have usb automounting working properly and don't care about FS on the server? |
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| 01:07.05 | karlpinc | KhazAkar: Tried the usbmount package? |
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| 01:14.02 | wewlad | does anyone, by some chance, run debian in a VM under virtualbox? |
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| 01:18.21 | TomTomTosch | yes.... |
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| 01:18.39 | wewlad | TomTomTosch: what's your host os? |
| 01:18.42 | petn-randall | wewlad: It's better to ask your question straight away |
| 01:18.52 | TomTomTosch | debian 8 ;D |
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| 01:19.16 | wewlad | I have issues with virtualbox: my host machins is win7sp1, my VM machine is debian 8.3, I've enabled bidirectional shared clipboard, but it doesn't work, I've even installed virtualbox-guest-additions-iso package on the VM |
| 01:19.38 | wewlad | drag'n'drop integration doesn't work too |
| 01:20.14 | TomTomTosch | works for me, no idea about windows. |
| 01:20.42 | petn-randall | wewlad: I'd check the documentation for that, that is something that is used fairly often. |
| 01:21.07 | wewlad | there are simple settings, right in the menu |
| 01:21.11 | wewlad | they just don't work |
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| 01:22.53 | petn-randall | wewlad: Does copy and paste work with any other (non-Debian) VMs you have? |
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| 01:23.04 | wewlad | no |
| 01:23.32 | wewlad | well, I only have 2 other VMs, and they are FreeBSD and ReactOS, so... |
| 01:26.01 | petn-randall | wewlad: no idea, really. I'd ask in the virtualbox IRC channel, there's a better chance of finding someone running Windows as host system. |
| 01:26.09 | wewlad | I did |
| 01:26.11 | wewlad | it's dead |
| 01:26.17 | petn-randall | :/ |
| 01:28.24 | TomTomTosch | it's not dead, there are over 300 online |
| 01:28.52 | TomTomTosch | --> #vbox |
| 01:29.06 | themill | istr that vbox needs you to have the same version of the tools installed as you have on the host |
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| 01:38.07 | TomTomTosch | think the guest additions iso comes with vbox on win7 |
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| 01:41.26 | wewlad | yeah |
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| 01:45.22 | wewlad | ha |
| 01:45.24 | wewlad | weird |
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| 01:46.06 | wewlad | what does 'virtulbox-guest-additions-iso' package do? |
| 01:46.16 | wewlad | I thought it's vbox guest additions |
| 01:46.44 | themill | it's the iso image that you can use to install the guest additions into a guest |
| 01:46.46 | wewlad | but now I think it's just an iso of the installation disc |
| 01:46.59 | wewlad | so I hadn't guest additions installed |
| 01:47.19 | TomTomTosch | right.... |
| 01:47.43 | TomTomTosch | install the ones that come with vbox |
| 01:48.00 | wewlad | yeah, did so |
| 01:48.08 | wewlad | drag'n'drop now seems to work |
| 01:48.37 | wewlad | yay, shared clipboard now works too! |
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| 01:54.38 | wewlad | is there a way to mount a disk with ntfs to debian? |
| 01:55.27 | TomTomTosch | https://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
| 01:56.34 | wewlad | awesome, thanks |
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| 02:20.10 | dash562_ | Evening. |
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| 02:26.05 | fleeky | hi there , i am running a pretty old debian instance (6.0) and recently upgraded , and now my instance of redmine is borked, i read in a few places that recent upgrade do infact make redmine unable to run probably due to it most likely not being compatible with one of its dependencies anymore.. does anyone else have a similar experience or any ideas how to fix it ? |
| 02:26.28 | rommel092079 | good day. What is the official sources.list for Jessie ? |
| 02:27.23 | dvs | !tell rommel092079 about jessie sources.list |
| 02:27.40 | markybob | rommel092079, most people should make their sources look like this https://paste.debian.net/plain/378523 |
| 02:27.40 | rommel092079 | thanks |
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| 02:28.28 | karlpinc | fleeky: What did you upgrade from/to? |
| 02:28.33 | dvs | non-free? shame! shame! |
| 02:28.58 | markybob | dvs, i didn't say everyone |
| 02:29.04 | dvs | heh |
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| 02:33.13 | wewlad | how to list all files with their set mods? |
| 02:33.43 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:33.46 | pingveno | Does anyone know what's up with rhino's version? Sid is using a version from 2008. |
| 02:33.50 | dvs | ls -l?\ |
| 02:33.56 | wewlad | can't run dolphin from root |
| 02:34.18 | wewlad | dvs: thx, 'll' didn't work, I panicked |
| 02:34.28 | fleeky | karlpinc: just a apt-get update upgrade |
| 02:34.49 | fleeky | the system is running deb 6.0 |
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| 02:36.04 | wewlad | are there any shell wizards here? how to apply a chmod to all folders and (recursively) all sub-folders inside? |
| 02:36.09 | wewlad | but only to folders, not files |
| 02:36.09 | dvs | fleeky: ...which is just going out of support |
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| 02:36.34 | pingveno | wewlad: Use find's -exec argument |
| 02:36.45 | pingveno | and -type d |
| 02:37.24 | wewlad | thanks for the idea, will try |
| 02:37.34 | pingveno | Or maybe throw xargs in there if you are going to chmod a lot of files. |
| 02:37.39 | pingveno | directories, rather |
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| 02:38.05 | wewlad | eh, I lost an example of how to use find and xargs |
| 02:38.05 | fleeky | dvs: yes i know im going to be migrating oon |
| 02:38.31 | fleeky | actually i just fixed it downgrading to libapache2-mod-passenger=2.2.11debian-2 fixed it |
| 02:38.41 | fleeky | thank anyway ! |
| 02:38.58 | pingveno | wewlad: man page for xargs |
| 02:39.08 | pingveno | It has several examples that include find |
| 02:39.12 | wewlad | no, mans are evil, they only confuse |
| 02:39.50 | wewlad | eh, found the only example of use of find + xargs I had |
| 02:39.51 | pingveno | uh... |
| 02:39.56 | wewlad | turns out I tried it yesterday |
| 02:39.59 | wewlad | it didn't work |
| 02:40.04 | wewlad | that example is taken from FreeBSD |
| 02:40.15 | wewlad | find -s / | xargs sha256 |
| 02:40.32 | wewlad | should've hashed everything in the root |
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| 02:41.49 | pingveno | Probably this is better: find / -type f | xargs sha256 |
| 02:42.17 | wewlad | type f - file and d - dir, right? |
| 02:42.25 | wewlad | (not f - folder) |
| 02:42.51 | pingveno | yeah |
| 02:43.00 | pingveno | xargs sha256sum |
| 02:43.36 | fleeky | is there a way to have apt ignore a specific package when upgrading in general ? |
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| 02:47.12 | wewlad | pingveno: 'find /var/www/html/ -type d | xargs chmod 750' - did I construct it right? I want chmod 750 all subfolders. |
| 02:47.36 | pingveno | Run it on a directory tree you don't care about |
| 02:47.46 | pingveno | cp -a /var/www/html /tmp |
| 02:48.17 | pingveno | I think you're correct, but no use blowing something up. |
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| 02:49.31 | wewlad | yeah, seems like it worked right |
| 02:49.53 | wewlad | but I hate that there are no gui utils for working with file's owners and mods |
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| 02:50.04 | wewlad | I can't run dolphin as root |
| 02:51.01 | wewlad | eh, something went wrong |
| 02:51.02 | pingveno | What is it outputting? |
| 02:51.07 | wewlad | nothing |
| 02:51.10 | wewlad | as always |
| 02:51.16 | pingveno | Try running it from the CLI. |
| 02:51.17 | wewlad | linux is mute |
| 02:51.25 | wewlad | ? |
| 02:51.30 | pingveno | command line |
| 02:51.35 | wewlad | where else would I run it from? |
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| 02:51.44 | pingveno | krunner |
| 02:51.50 | pingveno | kdesu |
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| 02:52.10 | wewlad | dunno what are those, I guess an analogy to windows' 'Run', aka Win+R? |
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| 02:52.18 | pingveno | vaguely |
| 02:52.30 | wewlad | yeah, I know always to run stuff from shell |
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| 02:53.00 | wewlad | apache now says 403 when I visit my site :-/ |
| 02:53.52 | pingveno | Are the directories in /var/www/html/ owned by the right user? |
| 02:54.03 | wewlad | oh, right, forgot that |
| 02:54.08 | wewlad | they all are owned by root |
| 02:54.13 | Kobaz | how would i get the ./configure command that builds the standard package, from an apt-source? |
| 02:54.18 | pingveno | That would be problematic. :) |
| 02:54.53 | pingveno | wewlad: try running xhost, then running dolphin |
| 02:54.54 | markybob | Kobaz, apt-get source foo then look in debian/rules |
| 02:54.55 | Kobaz | like apt-get source apache2..... and then... what's the ./configure options that makes the std .deb ? |
| 02:54.59 | Kobaz | k |
| 02:55.00 | Kobaz | thanks |
| 02:55.29 | pingveno | Rather, this: xhost + |
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| 02:55.37 | wewlad | pingveno: xhost: unable to open display ":0" |
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| 02:55.44 | wewlad | no protocol specified |
| 02:55.54 | pingveno | As your own user, not root. |
| 02:56.08 | wewlad | 'xhost +' - returns the same |
| 02:56.12 | wewlad | oh |
| 02:56.35 | wewlad | access control disabled, clients can connect from any host |
| 02:56.56 | pingveno | Now try running dolphin again with xhost |
| 02:57.02 | pingveno | xhost -> sudo |
| 02:57.14 | wewlad | I don't get |
| 02:57.34 | wewlad | running xhost just returns an echoed string of text |
| 02:57.46 | wewlad | how would I xhost > sudo? |
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| 02:58.24 | pingveno | I mistyped. I mean sudo, not xhost. |
| 02:58.31 | pingveno | $ sudo dolphin |
| 02:59.33 | wewlad | eh, uzer is not in the sudoers file... |
| 02:59.36 | wewlad | I use su |
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| 03:00.17 | pingveno | su is fine, but you will need to set DISPLAY manually. |
| 03:02.11 | wewlad | 'find /var/www/html/ | xargs chown -c apache:apache' says invalid user 'apache:apache', but man says 'chown [OPTION]... [OWNER][:[GROUP]] FILE...' |
| 03:02.18 | wewlad | what did I do wrong? |
| 03:02.27 | markybob | wewlad, in debian the user is www-data |
| 03:03.00 | wewlad | damn it, I need a gui that shows users and damn groups |
| 03:03.11 | pingveno | It's good practice :) |
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| 03:04.11 | dash562_ | Hey guys. Im seeing some issues with the mirror site http://gensho.acc.umu.se that seems to be defaulting off of the http://cdimage.debian.org/ site |
| 03:04.29 | dash562_ | http://imgur.com/a/MfT0E |
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| 03:04.34 | wewlad | yeah, seems like you are right, pingveno |
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| 03:05.16 | wewlad | YAY! site is working again |
| 03:05.32 | wewlad | I wonder if I can install a plugin now, without the ftp method |
| 03:06.11 | wewlad | yeee-haw! |
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| 03:09.37 | donofrio | How do I join my Debian client to an full Active Directory member/client. I found this but looking for debian like full package all ready for me to adjust conf files slightly? |
| 03:09.44 | donofrio | https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/pdf/Windows_Integration_Guide/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-7-Windows_Integration_Guide-en-US.pdf |
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| 03:10.04 | donofrio | I'm refrencing page 22 on |
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| 03:11.34 | dash562_ | Can anyone link me to a different mirror with non-free drivers included in the image? Please? |
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| 03:12.53 | markybob | dash562_, this isn't working for you? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 03:14.04 | dash562_ | thank you markybob, cdimage.debian.org can be somewhat of a rabbit hole. |
| 03:14.21 | somiaj | donofrio: you will have to use samba, though unsure on the details needed to get samba to join an active directory. It supports it but may need some configuring. |
| 03:14.22 | dash562_ | And not a helpful one when you are frustrated. |
| 03:14.31 | somiaj | that is what dpkg is for. |
| 03:14.34 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 03:14.35 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 03:17.35 | dash562_ | markybob, that image is downloading from http://gensho.acc.umu.se/ for me. Is there anyway to change the mirror? The Downloads keep stopping for me around 25% |
| 03:18.47 | markybob | dash562_, i get redirected there as well. does wget -c "http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso" not continue once it stops? |
| 03:19.10 | dash562_ | Let me try |
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| 03:19.33 | dash562_ | Resolving gensho.acc.umu.se... 130.239.18.176, 2001:6b0:e:2018::176 |
| 03:19.45 | markybob | dash562_, same here |
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| 03:20.09 | dash562_ | 36% and it hits an iceberg. Just straight packet loss |
| 03:20.21 | dash562_ | I didnt have much luck with the Bittorrent links either |
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| 03:20.33 | markybob | dash562_, i can only suggest keep doing wget -c 'til it finishes |
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| 03:22.02 | markybob | dash562_, actually i can. i just put it on my company server. here dipconsultants.com/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 03:22.55 | dash562_ | Oh, I actually didnt know you could do that. |
| 03:23.06 | dash562_ | Is there anyway to report a bad mirror? |
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| 03:27.47 | markybob | dash562_, let me know when you're done so i can remove it |
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| 03:29.31 | dash562_ | Im good. thank you very much for your help |
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| 03:55.10 | freq | has anyone ever seen an ice weasel |
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| 03:58.37 | donofrio | freq: like the real thing or the web browser |
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| 04:00.21 | freq | the real thing |
| 04:01.34 | markybob | freq, that's offtopic. read /topic |
| 04:01.41 | freq | thank you. |
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| 04:26.25 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:27.02 | Amarande | I'm going to guess at this point that Debian 8 to 9 will likely be impossible to upgrade directly without a reinstallation in most desktop/laptop usecases? |
| 04:27.22 | markybob | Amarande, wrong |
| 04:27.24 | Amarande | i.e., the upgrade is unlikely to succeed unless you're doing it from the barest of base systems? |
| 04:27.32 | markybob | Amarande, wrong |
| 04:27.35 | Amarande | markybob: just tried to upgrade current jessie to current stretch via the normal dist-upgrade process |
| 04:27.50 | Amarande | ... it resulted in an enormous slew of packages that failed to upgrade correctly and a hosed setup |
| 04:27.51 | markybob | Amarande, that's because it's testing. it's supposed to break |
| 04:28.22 | markybob | Amarande, yeah. that's what happens. testing freezes for a few months before release to stable to fix breaks |
| 04:28.24 | Amarande | the impression I get is that you can no longer install testing except from the testing installer (which is for testing the installer, not for installing testing) or essentially from a BASE ONLY jessie |
| 04:28.31 | Amarande | am I right? |
| 04:28.42 | markybob | Amarande, a few months freeze fixes a lot. |
| 04:28.57 | Amarande | yeah, unfortunately jessie is kind of a lemon in a couple of bits |
| 04:29.17 | Amarande | one, there's some persistent xml library issues that result in Chromium having issues with vBulletin 4.x forums |
| 04:29.24 | markybob | Amarande, well you're wrong about your upgrade assumption and about jessie being a lemon. so you're on the right track |
| 04:29.53 | Amarande | two, Mesa is some cruddy old version that more or less spoils any kind of gaming |
| 04:30.07 | markybob | Amarande, sure it's old. it's stable. |
| 04:30.10 | Amarande | e.g., battle.net client won't work right even if you've installed wine/playonlinux perfectly |
| 04:30.18 | Amarande | steam runtime chokes on it, etc. |
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| 04:30.35 | markybob | Amarande, do you have a real question or did you just want to bitch? |
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| 04:31.17 | Amarande | markybob: well, mostly I was wondering if it was possible to upgrade a typical desktop-oriented existing setup of jessie to a typical desktop-oriented setup of stretch at the moment |
| 04:31.32 | Amarande | or if that is presently barred, and the upgrade will only go properly from a barebones install with relatively few packages |
| 04:31.35 | markybob | Amarande, not safely, no. |
| 04:31.49 | Amarande | hell, apparently even some things like sudo got trashed |
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| 04:32.12 | Amarande | from what I could see, looks like for some reason there is an "equals" version dependency on systemd somewhere in the guts |
| 04:32.42 | Amarande | no idea why it should be an "equals", but I get the feeling that's the root of all issues :| |
| 04:32.58 | Amarande | typically version dependencies are >=, not = |
| 04:32.59 | LinuxGuy2020 | Is there a command that can be given to strip a system down to just the base system and standard system utilities? |
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| 04:33.23 | markybob | LinuxGuy2020, no. |
| 04:33.32 | LambdaComplex | LinuxGuy2020: the real question is why you're asking how to do that |
| 04:33.35 | Amarande | also: when the installer requests non-free firmware blobs |
| 04:33.50 | markybob | Amarande, what about it? |
| 04:33.52 | Amarande | is it enough to download the applicable debian firmware packages and put them on the usb stick or do you need to hunt down the extracted versions? |
| 04:33.59 | donofrio | how do I do the equivalent to dpkg --get-selections using apt-get logic? |
| 04:34.19 | themill | donofrio: aptitude install --schedule-only pkg1 pkg2 ... |
| 04:34.22 | markybob | Amarande, you use the firmware installer http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 04:34.36 | Amarande | markybob: that would be nice if I currently had a burner on hand |
| 04:34.39 | themill | donofrio: oh sorry, that's set selections; aptitude search ~i; |
| 04:34.50 | markybob | Amarande, you don't need one. works with usb |
| 04:34.58 | themill | donofrio: note that there is a difference between the desired and current state and that is reflected in what you are asking |
| 04:34.58 | Amarande | unfortunately, all I have on hand is an ubuntu 15.10 live usb (also containing my file backups) and an 8.2 debian netinst |
| 04:35.22 | markybob | Amarande, so use it with usb. cp image.foo /dev/sdX |
| 04:35.43 | Amarande | markybob: = deleting all my file backups, for starters, since doesn't that format the usb? |
| 04:35.48 | LinuxGuy2020 | LambdaComplex: No the real question is why your asking me why I am asking you to do that. (Just say you dont know, its ok.) |
| 04:35.53 | Amarande | (also = wasting most of a 64GB usb stick :|) |
| 04:35.53 | markybob | Amarande, yes |
| 04:36.18 | markybob | Amarande, so what are you really asking? i gave you the firmware installer you asked for and now you say you don't want to use it |
| 04:36.20 | donofrio | I'd like to take the installed packages selected and export it to a installed packages file and be abel to retsore them to a new host? |
| 04:36.30 | themill | LinuxGuy2020: what are you *really* trying to achieve? |
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| 04:36.41 | LambdaComplex | LinuxGuy2020: Because it sounds like an XY question |
| 04:36.46 | LambdaComplex | Duh |
| 04:36.50 | LambdaComplex | Easiest question I've answered all day |
| 04:36.51 | LinuxGuy2020 | themill: I believe I already asked my question. |
| 04:36.53 | themill | LinuxGuy2020: "base system and standard" is not a bootable system. |
| 04:37.05 | LambdaComplex | themill: It isn't? |
| 04:37.11 | themill | no. |
| 04:37.15 | LambdaComplex | Why not? |
| 04:37.22 | LinuxGuy2020 | themill: Just say you dont know its ok. |
| 04:37.32 | Amarande | markybob: I don't have a spare USB stick at the moment |
| 04:37.50 | Amarande | so I'll have to have the firmware just sitting on the USB stick as files |
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| 04:38.02 | themill | LinuxGuy2020: I know how to make a system unbootable by doing what you ask. |
| 04:38.09 | Amarande | the question is what format they need to be in, do they need to be the raw extracted files or will firmware-iwlwifi-(whatever).deb do? |
| 04:38.11 | markybob | Amarande, that doesn't normally work. that's why there's the installer |
| 04:38.28 | Amarande | markybob: yes, and if you're missing a firmware blob, it asks you if you want to load it from removable media |
| 04:38.37 | Amarande | hence why I'm seeking to place the firmware blob ON THE REMOVABLE MEDIA |
| 04:38.43 | LambdaComplex | LinuxGuy2020: So, why do you want to "strip a system down to just the base system and standard system utilities?" |
| 04:38.46 | donofrio | themill: how do I get that neat export to a file so I can scp it and import it? |
| 04:38.54 | markybob | Amarande, yep. and it normally fails because you need multiple packages and it's difficult |
| 04:39.15 | themill | donofrio: aptitude search '~i' --disable-columns -F%p; you might like to /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 04:39.17 | donofrio | themill: so far this aptitude search ~i; > installed is not working |
| 04:39.27 | Amarande | basically you're saying I need to either settle for Ubuntu or get out to a shop to get a new USB stick or burner, or else destroy all my backups |
| 04:39.36 | themill | donofrio: the ; in your command is unlikely to be what you want |
| 04:39.59 | Amarande | markybob: lemme guess, you usually prefer cloud for backups and usb sticks are strictly for regularly overwriting as needed :) |
| 04:39.59 | markybob | Amarande, i'm saying you need to burn a cd or copy the installer to a usb stick |
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| 04:40.05 | LinuxGuy2020 | LambdaComplex: To get back to fresh install without having to reinstall cause Im lazy as hell. Only way I currebtly know is after a fesh install use dpkg --get-selections and store it in a file and clear selections and reset them to go back. |
| 04:40.12 | markybob | Amarande, yes |
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| 04:40.18 | themill | dpkg: tell LinuxGuy2020 about uninstall everything |
| 04:40.22 | themill | LinuxGuy2020: be careful with that. |
| 04:40.40 | LambdaComplex | LinuxGuy2020: Reinstalling would probably be less of a hassle |
| 04:41.32 | LinuxGuy2020 | LambdaComplex: but reinstalling is a hassle. Im really lazy. |
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| 04:42.11 | donofrio | themill: getting this on destation machine "xargs: aptitude: terminated by signal 11" |
| 04:42.53 | donofrio | when I tried " xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < /home/donofrio/package_list" |
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| 04:43.30 | Amarande | sig11? have you checked your RAM? |
| 04:43.58 | themill | donofrio: that's not a happy sign⢠|
| 04:44.07 | donofrio | Amarande: KiB Mem: 362008 total, 316236 used, 45772 free, 9188 buffers |
| 04:44.43 | Amarande | donofrio: I mean checked it for defects with memtest86 or the like |
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| 04:46.08 | donofrio | themill: any other way to do this? or xargs only/best way to feed this array into aptitude? |
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| 04:47.08 | themill | donofrio: there's nothing wrong with using dpkg --{set,get}-selections but aptitude segfaulting is not a good sign |
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| 04:48.46 | donofrio | themill: it doesn't like "dpkg --set-selections /home/donofrio/package_list" am I missing a pipe? |
| 04:49.12 | themill | dpkg: tell donofrio about debian clone |
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| 04:49.41 | themill | markybob: JFTR testing is not supposed to break and nor are stableâtesting upgrades. |
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| 04:50.18 | markybob | themill, supposed to. life is supposed to be great. things don't always work out that way. that's why there's such a long freeze |
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| 04:50.51 | donofrio | themill: thanks but "dpkg --set-selections < /home/donofrio/package_list && apt-get dselect-upgrade" only returns "dpkg: error: unexpected end of line in package name at line 1" |
| 04:50.52 | themill | not true |
| 04:51.15 | themill | donofrio: does your selections file actually contain a package list? |
| 04:51.17 | markybob | okay. that's an ignorant statement |
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| 04:52.22 | themill | markybob: bugs might exist but that's not a reason to tell users to FOAD when they find them. Also the chances of such bugs as described actually existing is really quite small. |
| 04:52.29 | donofrio | themill: oh yah http://apaste.info/rKG |
| 04:53.02 | markybob | themill, don't believe i said FOAD. |
| 04:53.06 | themill | markybob: testing is a fully self contained suite and there are no dependency problems within it; stableâtesting upgrades are automatically tested and only fail on very rare occasions (and there are no current issues). |
| 04:53.13 | themill | markybob: your attitude said everything but |
| 04:53.13 | markybob | themill, i gave them a solution |
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| 04:53.40 | markybob | themill, you could give them another solution if you want. |
| 04:54.00 | themill | donofrio: the file for dpkg --set-selections needs to come from dpkg --get-selections (it's not just a list of packages) |
| 04:54.34 | donofrio | themill: aptitude was perfect just need to get around xargs issue |
| 04:55.08 | donofrio | dpkg doesn't import it seems dunno why.... |
| 04:55.08 | dpkg | donofrio: bugger all, i dunno |
| 04:55.10 | themill | donofrio: aptitude segfaulting either points to a broken set of libraries on that machine or broken hardware |
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| 04:55.35 | donofrio | themill: how to repair broken libraries apt-get update? |
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| 04:55.49 | themill | donofrio: it's unlikely to be broken libraries. |
| 04:56.04 | themill | (you'd need to reinstall the packages involved) |
| 04:56.48 | donofrio | themill: it's an raspberry pi that is my destination so I know the hardware is good... |
| 04:57.00 | themill | laughts |
| 04:57.02 | themill | -t |
| 04:57.45 | donofrio | themill: xargs needs -t? |
| 04:57.47 | themill | donofrio: try using dpkg as the bot described |
| 04:57.48 | themill | no |
| 04:57.59 | donofrio | I tried it doesn't import back in ;( |
| 04:58.09 | donofrio | just hates each line all 300+ of them |
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| 04:58.45 | themill | donofrio: as I said, that's not the right format for feeding to dpkg --set-selections; you need the file from dpkg --get-selections |
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| 05:00.24 | donofrio | themill: right I got that, and when I do the xport as your bot messgae gave me, it exported then I scp it over and import and it says "dpkg: warning: package not in database at line 319: xserver-common" (with packages mname that changes) about 3330 times....when I try --set-selection on rpi |
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| 05:02.59 | themill | have you run an apt-get update recently on that? (also, what distro is on the RPi?) |
| 05:03.41 | donofrio | yah just did that after adding normal sources.....it's osmc (sam builds from debian proper) fwiw.... |
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| 05:25.01 | sewerinspector | hey all. I'm having an issue where I'm unable to establish a serial connection. I've tried using screen, minicom, and putty to try to do this, using /dev/ttyUSB0. Here is some relevant info: |
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| 05:26.09 | sewerinspector | output of dmesg | tail: https://paste.ee/p/ZOl6i |
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| 05:26.54 | sewerinspector | and here's lsusb. https://paste.ee/p/TEPY4 |
| 05:27.21 | sewerinspector | I've tried running putty, minicom, etc all under sudo and still have not been able to establish a connection with my serial device |
| 05:27.55 | sewerinspector | Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! |
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| 05:34.05 | themill | sewerinspector: you shouldn't need to be root -- the /dev/ttyUSB0 device can be in a group that you belong to (it's normally writeable by dialout). |
| 05:34.26 | themill | sewerinspector: when you say it's not working, what have you tried and what happens? (what is the device?) |
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| 05:34.31 | someone123 | Hello |
| 05:35.22 | someone123 | How to create logical volume (LVM LV) that have size = 8GiB? |
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| 05:35.36 | sewerinspector | themill: the device is a cisco 3500 switch. I'm getting zero response from it when i hit enter after i've told minicom, etc to connect to it |
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| 05:35.50 | sewerinspector | it could be that the console port on that swich is dead which would kind of suck |
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| 05:37.45 | themill | sewerinspector: you'd also easily get no response if the connection parameters aren't right (baud, bits, parity, flow control) |
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| 05:39.08 | sewerinspector | themill: yeah i thought that as well but i didn't have to set any baud rate or anything when i would do this when i ran fedora |
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| 05:40.33 | someone123 | Should I calculate size in bytes or use -L 8G? |
| 05:42.01 | themill | sewerinspector: 9600,8,1,none seems to be what that device wants and that's pretty common defaults (that's the default for putty for instance) |
| 05:42.32 | sewerinspector | i saw that 9600 was the default for putty, so i did try that with screen |
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| 05:42.47 | sewerinspector | by using screen /dev/ttyUSB0 9600 |
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| 06:27.53 | finishingmove | hey guys |
| 06:28.38 | finishingmove | if I wanted to switch form stable (jessie) to testing, would you recommend it at this point? |
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| 06:29.12 | finishingmove | also, should I add "stretch" or "testing" to my sources in that case? |
| 06:29.40 | finishingmove | I'm new to Debian so I don't quite understand best practices around this yet |
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| 06:32.06 | themill | You'd want "stretch" not "testing" in your sources.list, but note that if you don't know your way around debian (and don't already know how to do this) then you're not going to have a very fun time running testing. |
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| 06:33.17 | finishingmove | would I be better off running Arch or Debian Testing for a main home desktop? |
| 06:34.05 | finishingmove | I mean I'm not a total newb, but I obviously don't want things to break every week, while at the same time Debian Stable has way too old packages for my taste |
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| 06:36.47 | finishingmove | I've been using Ubuntu ~2 years for work, but just recently switched my home computer from Windows to Debian (like a month ago) |
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| 06:40.39 | poffs | i want to make something go on my HDMI screen, not my laptop screen. I put DISPLAY=:0 and it goes to my laptop screen. I put DISPLAY=:0.1 and it does not exist. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 07:20.57 | jusss | debian live cd can recognize emmc store media now? |
| 07:21.20 | jusss | I try debian 7 and it don't |
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| 07:23.11 | martman | im trying to connect to a fresh install with debain with kvm using virt-manager and i keep getting "authentication failed: no agent is available to authenticate", "Verify that the 'libvirtd' daemon is running on the remote host" |
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| 07:23.26 | martman | i can ssh in without a password just fine and i see that libvirt is running |
| 07:23.30 | martman | i even tried restarting it |
| 07:23.43 | martman | still no luck. im seeing mostly similar posts online without any fixes |
| 07:23.48 | martman | anyone happen to have a idea? |
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| 07:25.37 | martman | connecting using virsh gives me |
| 07:25.39 | martman | error: Failed to connect to the hypervisor |
| 07:25.39 | martman | error: authentication failed: no agent is available to authenticate |
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| 08:04.27 | tite12345 | Hi guys |
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| 08:04.41 | tite12345 | Is it possible to make Debian as secure or even better than Tails? |
| 08:04.48 | tite12345 | How secure is Debian by default? |
| 08:05.12 | tite12345 | I've added the contrib non-free words on my /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:24.41 | GreasedUpCactus | Hello people. I am having trouble setting up a second monitor (hdmi). Debian doesn't seem to detect it. Any ideas on what to do? |
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| 08:28.30 | GreasedUpCactus | RubenADSR: xrandr produces this output: "xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default" |
| 08:29.20 | GreasedUpCactus | It appears that only one monitor is detected. Second line: "Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080" |
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| 08:32.06 | RubenADSR | GreasedUpCactus: what about xrandr -q? |
| 08:32.34 | GreasedUpCactus | It produces the exact same output |
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| 08:34.04 | johnlearn | hi guys |
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| 08:38.52 | johnlearn | I'm have a old computer, Video card is GeForce FX 5500. Can only run under debian7? |
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| 08:41.25 | r6ku | johnlearn: it should work out of the box for debian 8 |
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| 08:46.29 | nino88 | ciao |
| 08:46.46 | nino88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.46 | dpkg | nino88: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 09:01.12 | poffs | i'm in debian mate, and I want to make it so that when I open files, for example, .avi, it will run a certain command, with the file location within the command. how can I do that? in the GUI I can use "open with", but I don't know what variable to use for the file location |
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| 09:18.51 | jerulz | yo all |
| 09:19.20 | jerulz | just installed debian 8 a weeks ago it's awesome !! |
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| 09:26.12 | vvande__ | glad you like it jerulz |
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| 09:27.00 | jerulz | yeah :) |
| 09:27.37 | jerulz | i was on ubuntu before so i'm kinda back to the source |
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| 09:58.19 | cluelessperson | Question, how do I create a user without a password? |
| 09:58.51 | cluelessperson | useradd -m me |
| 09:58.58 | cluelessperson | without apassword, but I can't login? |
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| 10:08.49 | cluelessperson | ? |
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| 10:09.42 | irenicus | cluelessperson: can you not set password to an empty string with passwd? |
| 10:09.58 | cluelessperson | irenicus, I'll try that. :) |
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| 10:10.06 | cluelessperson | irenicus, do you know how to allow it to autologin? |
| 10:10.10 | poffs | need help ---- problem with the script is that the path has a space in it. "$@" stops at the space. BTW, my full command is: mate-terminal --command="ssh 192.168.10.144 DISPLAY=:0 vlc -f -Irc "$@" " |
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| 10:11.57 | jelly | poffs: that's because the command line gets interpreted and expanded twice, once locally once on the remote side |
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| 10:12.48 | irenicus | cluelessperson: I have not tried this, but I guess it depends on what display manager you use. I use light dm, in which case it seems pretty simple: https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM#Enable_autologin |
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| 10:13.14 | jelly | poffs: also, you need to escape the "" inside "" |
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| 10:14.50 | poffs | jelly, using the command that I posted above, the remote side gets the path as I want it to, except it gets cut off at a space in the path |
| 10:15.13 | jelly | poffs: so I suspend even mate-terminal --command="ssh 192.168.10.144 DISPLAY=:0 vlc -f -Irc \"$@\" " won't work |
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| 10:15.46 | poffs | jelly, correct. it won't work. |
| 10:15.54 | jelly | poffs: how many parameters are you passing really in the "$@" ? |
| 10:16.09 | poffs | one path, which includes spaces in the path |
| 10:16.23 | jelly | why use $@ instead of $1 then? |
| 10:17.00 | cluelessperson | irenicus, thanks, trying it |
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| 10:17.39 | poffs | jelly, omg I got it to work. ending the line with: '\"$@\"'" |
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| 10:18.12 | jelly | right |
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| 10:18.39 | jelly | but there's no reason to use $@ and it _will_ break with two parameters |
| 10:19.17 | jelly | poffs: because both will get inside the same single quotes on the remote side. So use $1 instead of $@ for clarity |
| 10:19.43 | poffs | jelly, alright, sounds good. |
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| 10:23.52 | DoctorD90 | jelly, :D about auth, yea, i would point at that :P once i setup exim to receive and send mail, it will allow that kind of "auth" connection even from outside? or to allow that i have to setup it for that? ...or it will be enabled, and i have to setupd to deny or install some other software? |
| 10:24.59 | DoctorD90 | blocking the "connect - write/send email" i can allow sending mail without problem, because people should hack my server to send mail. And if they hack server, deny exim in "send mail" is useless :P |
| 10:25.02 | jelly | DoctorD90: I don't use exim, but I suspect it can do SMTP AUTH on its own |
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| 10:25.30 | DoctorD90 | with smtp auth, do you mean that i can connect and send email from outside? |
| 10:25.56 | jelly | SMTP AUTH is the only sane way to send mail from outside, yes |
| 10:26.16 | Amun_Ra | speaking of exim4, it does auth of course |
| 10:26.24 | DoctorD90 | hi Amun_Ra |
| 10:26.31 | Amun_Ra | hello |
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| 10:26.56 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, jelly i have installed exim on a test machine on koding.io, and it doesnt allow me to auth on port 25 |
| 10:27.15 | Amun_Ra | DoctorD90: you should reconfigure exim4-config |
| 10:27.21 | DoctorD90 | i do 'telnet localhost 25' and i can connect, but it doesnt recognize HELO or EHLO nneither |
| 10:27.25 | DoctorD90 | done |
| 10:27.27 | jelly | DoctorD90: you're supposed to use port 587 for auth, and you're supposed to use starttls (encryption) |
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| 10:27.38 | jelly | so no "telnet" for you |
| 10:27.49 | DoctorD90 | jelly i have installed only exim, to test pouprose only :) |
| 10:27.50 | Amun_Ra | that's not the case |
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| 10:29.13 | Amun_Ra | you can set up smtps along with submission in exim, pretty easily |
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| 10:29.37 | jelly | smtps is deprecated/obsolete |
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| 10:30.18 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, 1.for the moment im trying only to setup exim to send/receive mail XD ssl i think will be the next step due to new google policy for incoming mails without ssl (even if i wont sent mail from my server, only receive :P) |
| 10:30.45 | Amun_Ra | indeed, I keep it on for some clients |
| 10:31.18 | DoctorD90 | ah....for this case i dont think is a problem, but on koding.io they use ubuntu.i dont think i will have some difference in setting it up on my debina server :P |
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| 10:31.32 | jelly | DoctorD90: so if you wanted to talk SMTP manually in a recommended setup, you'd have to "openssl s_client -starttls smtp -connect koding.io:587" instead of telnet |
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| 10:31.58 | DoctorD90 | jelly, i go to up the testing vps, and check for port :) |
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| 10:32.15 | KhazAkar | Btw anybody know the Best ssl cert solution? Because tutorials for Let's Encrypt are outdated. |
| 10:32.26 | jelly | DoctorD90: instead of testing manually however, you can use the "swaks" tool |
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| 10:32.49 | Amun_Ra | KhazAkar: there is letsencrypt package |
| 10:32.58 | jelly | ,v letsencrypt |
| 10:32.59 | judd | Package: letsencrypt on amd64 -- stretch: 0.2.0-1; sid: 0.4.0-1 |
| 10:33.08 | jelly | ^^ not in stable |
| 10:33.14 | Amun_Ra | true :> |
| 10:33.59 | jelly | and it's a nontrivial backport, and an official-ish jessie backport is in the works |
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| 10:35.50 | KhazAkar | Eh |
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| 10:36.34 | DoctorD90 | jelly Amun_Ra i followed this guide: https://wiki.debian.org/it/Exim |
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| 10:36.44 | jusss | can debian 8 live cd detect mmc device? |
| 10:36.45 | DoctorD90 | (i think you see just command...) |
| 10:36.49 | jusss | or emmc? |
| 10:36.54 | Amun_Ra | you shouldn't do that, but letsencrypt from testing installs quite fine in stable |
| 10:37.50 | KhazAkar | And It works? Because if I do from tutorial I dont have "live" folder |
| 10:38.48 | apollo13 | not sure what debian packaged, but you shouldn't use the official letsencrypt client anyways :D |
| 10:39.26 | KhazAkar | So what to use? Iceweasel aruge with selfgenerated cert ;_; |
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| 10:39.58 | apollo13 | KhazAkar: use letsencrypt, but not the official client |
| 10:40.12 | apollo13 | there are 200 line bash/python scripts out there, read them, understand them and use them |
| 10:40.19 | Amun_Ra | KhazAkar: it works automagically if you're using apache, you'll have to add paths to certs in nginx by hand (that how it worked when I tested it) |
| 10:40.29 | KhazAkar | I use lighttpd |
| 10:41.14 | KhazAkar | So download letsencrypt from testing and configure typ use with lighttpd? |
| 10:41.27 | KhazAkar | s/typ/to |
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| 10:43.08 | apollo13 | KhazAkar: no |
| 10:43.32 | jelly | KhazAkar: the package from testing won't work on jessie |
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| 10:44.05 | KhazAkar | So what to use to have ssl cert other than letsencrypt? ;_; |
| 10:44.23 | apollo13 | KhazAkar: use letsencrypt (the service), just not the letsecnrypt client package to generate them |
| 10:44.30 | apollo13 | I feel like yelling at a wall |
| 10:44.57 | KhazAkar | Ok,Now I understand if you added (service):p |
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| 10:45.04 | JyZyXEL | letsencrypt is some kind of technology to get around the awkwardness of having a self-signed ssl cert for your web server? |
| 10:45.37 | KhazAkar | Yup,because Iceweasel argue hard if you have selfgenerated cert |
| 10:46.20 | JyZyXEL | would be lovely to finally fix that |
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| 10:48.14 | KhazAkar | + You cannot use tls v1.2 :/ |
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| 10:48.25 | apollo13 | ???? |
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| 10:49.32 | KhazAkar | So enable tls v1.2 in lighttpd and try to get to the website usong iceweasel :p |
| 10:49.49 | KhazAkar | s/usong/using |
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| 10:52.06 | DoctorD90 | jelly, Amun_Ra openssl command : connect: Connection refused - connect:errno=111 |
| 10:52.15 | DoctorD90 | :P i think it is not setted for ssl :P |
| 10:52.26 | DoctorD90 | not yet* |
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| 10:55.04 | Amun_Ra | DoctorD90: not ootb |
| 10:55.09 | KhazAkar | apollo13: So use it? -> https://github.com/Levino/letsencrypt-cert-service?files=1 |
| 10:55.30 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, ootb? 0o |
| 10:55.40 | KhazAkar | Out of the box |
| 10:55.49 | DoctorD90 | ah! thx KhazAkar |
| 10:56.05 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, i runned it from inside of testing machine :P |
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| 10:56.42 | apollo13 | KhazAkar: https://www.metachris.com/2015/12/comparison-of-10-acme-lets-encrypt-clients/ go with something small, read and understand it fully and then use it |
| 10:57.02 | apollo13 | https://github.com/diafygi/acme-tiny comes to mind |
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| 10:59.30 | KhazAkar | I Just need rock solid,excelkent cert with tls v1.2 support to use eith server and router |
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| 10:59.55 | apollo13 | le sigh⦠|
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| 11:00.10 | apollo13 | tls v1.2 has nothing to do with your cert, that is something you have to configure nginx for |
| 11:00.39 | KhazAkar | Lighttpd * |
| 11:01.37 | apollo13 | whatever |
| 11:02.29 | DoctorD90 | to a good set of apache/ligthdude/nginx and other i always SUGGEST ( do not do anything if you dont understand) https://cipherli.st/ |
| 11:02.47 | DoctorD90 | they are very good as security settings :) |
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| 11:06.44 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, ip is 52.19.189.238, i can send (it sends email to hotmail, but i cant receive from hotmail :P) |
| 11:07.24 | Amun_Ra | DoctorD90: receive as in hotmail â (smtp) â your-server? |
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| 11:08.30 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, server -> hotmail ok, hotmail -> server not work :P |
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| 11:10.57 | DoctorD90 | if i do "telnet localhost 25" i get: 220 doctord90 ESMTP Exim 4.82 Ubuntu Sat, 13 Feb 2016 11:10:37 +0000 |
| 11:11.21 | DoctorD90 | HELO -> 501 Syntactically invalid HELO argument(s) |
| 11:11.28 | DoctorD90 | idem with EHLO :P |
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| 11:11.43 | DoctorD90 | so it doesnt allow to use direct connection to send mail :P |
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| 11:11.50 | DoctorD90 | if i have well understood |
| 11:11.58 | Amun_Ra | it should, you have to add an argument to helo/ehlo |
| 11:12.23 | cluelessperson | lightdm doesn't seem to start for me on debian, can someone help me? |
| 11:13.15 | apollo13 | what do the logfiles say⦠how did you enable it⦠|
| 11:13.37 | cluelessperson | apollo13, well, my understanding is that it should autostart from installation on a base system |
| 11:13.50 | cluelessperson | apollo13, X11 default display manager shows lightdm |
| 11:14.43 | FeignInt | cluelessperson: can you "startx" ? |
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| 11:14.55 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, ....yep....i forgot :P ...and now it sends mail -.- grrr |
| 11:15.00 | DoctorD90 | i try from outside... |
| 11:15.09 | cluelessperson | FeignInt, not found |
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| 11:15.59 | FeignInt | cluelessperson: odd, how can lightdm be installed with no Xorg :) .. install Xorg |
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| 11:16.17 | cluelessperson | FeignInt, http://hastebin.com/orohavaxon.hs |
| 11:16.33 | cluelessperson | FeignInt, Question, how do I do a minimal desktop environment? |
| 11:16.46 | cluelessperson | Feight I thought LightDM -> XFCE would be enough |
| 11:16.56 | cluelessperson | FeignInt, so I need to intall xorg, lightdm, AND XFCE? |
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| 11:17.22 | FeignInt | cluelessperson: yes, but installing lxde *should* have installed dependecies |
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| 11:18.05 | cluelessperson | FeignInt, I installed exactly those. lightdm, and xfce4 |
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| 11:20.01 | FeignInt | cluelessperson: install xorg |
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| 11:20.49 | eneon | Hello, I have Debian Jessy, gnome shell with windows activity pane in the bottom and problem with resume after suspend. After wake up I cannot navigate through windows, especially click on them, sometimes rightclick unlock it for a moment. Did you know something about such issue? |
| 11:21.21 | cluelessperson | FeignInt, doing. :) |
| 11:21.32 | apollo13 | eneon: does alt+f2 typing r and hitting enter fix it? |
| 11:21.37 | eneon | I mean clicking on the windows doesn't switch to them, alt+tab works |
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| 11:22.16 | eneon | apollo13: I haven't check that, is there chance that this action will fix it? |
| 11:22.28 | apollo13 | yes, cause it restarts gnome-shell |
| 11:22.30 | FeignInt | eneon: I don't know, I've had some strange things with wayland upon resume .. but to be honest worse than you describe |
| 11:22.52 | eneon | apollo13: I will try it in one minute |
| 11:22.59 | apollo13 | that said, things like that usually get better with newer gnome versions, debian stable is kinda old ;) |
| 11:23.12 | eneon | FeignInt: Have you found a solution? |
| 11:23.32 | eneon | apollo13: unfortunately this feature is a pain if not working ;) |
| 11:24.01 | FeignInt | eneon: well, besides not use "gnome on wayland" no.. are you using gnome on wayland? |
| 11:24.18 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, jelly, using base config, as in guide, from inside (shell), i can telnet localhost and send mail to hotmail. telnetting server, from my pc, (outside) i cant send mail :D 550 relay not permitted |
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| 11:24.28 | DoctorD90 | belong to you i accomplish? |
| 11:24.36 | jelly | DoctorD90: and that's exactly how it should be |
| 11:24.55 | jelly | you don't want to be an open relay |
| 11:24.59 | DoctorD90 | great! :D so i do not want "relay" :D |
| 11:25.08 | Amun_Ra | DoctorD90: you have to either a) auth yourself, b) add your ip to allow relaying from |
| 11:25.36 | DoctorD90 | yea :D do to this i would not allow sending mail :P but if outside cant do that, i can allow sending mail :D |
| 11:25.44 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, eh....auth.... |
| 11:25.47 | jelly | (and b) has been outdated for the last 10+ years) |
| 11:25.58 | eneon | apollo13: it didn't help, alt+f2 doesn't show window so also part of the issue after wake up |
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| 11:25.59 | DoctorD90 | ahahha jelly what do you mean? :P |
| 11:26.20 | apollo13 | eneon: ugh, newer kernel and newer gnome and newer display drivers is something I'd try then |
| 11:26.22 | eneon | win key also doesn't show dashboard |
| 11:26.31 | jelly | DoctorD90: it means: use smtp auth, on port 587, with starttls. |
| 11:26.31 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, about AUTH, i have to use my shell data? |
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| 11:26.53 | DoctorD90 | oh, but i wont to use auth :P i would send mail only from inside shell :P |
| 11:27.16 | eneon | FeignInt: how could I check whether I have gnome on wayland or not? |
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| 11:27.24 | DoctorD90 | from outside i would deny ALL login mail kind:P |
| 11:27.26 | apollo13 | eneon: if you do not know you do not have wayland |
| 11:27.46 | ment0s | Hi, Can I get helo regarding testing branch in this channel ? |
| 11:28.07 | FeignInt | eneon: yeah, you would have had to select it while logging on.. if you have to ask you are probably not |
| 11:28.25 | apollo13 | ment0s: #debian-next |
| 11:28.32 | eneon | apollo13 and FeignInt thx |
| 11:28.35 | ment0s | apollo13: ta |
| 11:28.46 | eneon | I would try to find some repos with newer gnome |
| 11:29.04 | apollo13 | eneon: testing/unstable ;) |
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| 11:29.23 | apollo13 | but that is just me, prepare for breakage :D |
| 11:30.13 | Amun_Ra | apt-listbugs is your friend ;> |
| 11:30.31 | DoctorD90 | .... i use it now...lets show me ... |
| 11:30.33 | apollo13 | lvm snapshots are my friends :D |
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| 11:31.01 | eneon | apollo13: I am afraid of those security fixes not on time, is it really case in testing? |
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| 11:31.42 | ment0s | Hi, i upgraded from jessie to stretch using apt upgrade & dist-upgrade. After upgrade my gdm freezes and I cannot do anything. Booted to multi-user and gnome works after startx but it very laggy and id somewhow leaks acceleration ( glxinfo shows rendering as yes ) but vlc cannot play videos smoothly and gnome is choppy. I am running i915 driver on T520, could someone help to resolve this issue ? I remember |
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| 11:31.48 | apollo13 | afaik it takes two weeks to get from unstable to testing, not sure about security fixes since I am on unstable anyways (where they are usually fast) |
| 11:31.48 | ment0s | there was somwething wrong with gallium driver ? I dont know if this is the case. |
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| 11:32.58 | apollo13 | eneon: but according to https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3473 they also fix some/all things in testing? |
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| 11:33.06 | eneon | apollo13: I think I have to consider change to unstable then, I cannot afford to wait forever for typical features |
| 11:33.06 | ment0s | glxinfo | grep 'renderer string' |
| 11:33.06 | ment0s | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile |
| 11:33.08 | apollo13 | but do not quote me on that |
| 11:33.35 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 11:33.35 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:33.37 | apollo13 | ment0s: I am on a t430s, works fine⦠|
| 11:33.44 | apollo13 | though that is still ivybridge |
| 11:33.46 | jelly | ment0s: ^^ the right place to ask about issues in testing |
| 11:34.05 | FeignInt | eneon: try testing first, then migrate to unstable |
| 11:34.28 | FeignInt | eneon: updates will be frequent |
| 11:34.31 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, why using apt-listbug list gnome-shell i cant see report bug i did yesterday? (or some days ago) |
| 11:34.31 | apollo13 | eneon: first off, I would just try fetching a new kernel from testing, less to upgrade than gnome |
| 11:35.06 | jelly | eneon: if you worry about security, use stable. (not testing, not unstable) |
| 11:35.08 | ment0s | jelly: #debian-next is pointing me here |
| 11:35.11 | apollo13 | DoctorD90: " apt-listbugs lists critical bug reports from the Debian Bug Tracking System. Run it from within the APT session, in order to see whether an installation or upgrade is known to be unsafe. " |
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| 11:35.43 | DoctorD90 | apollo13, sorry, i havent fully understood 0o |
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| 11:35.46 | ment0s | annot join to channel #debian-next (You must be invited) |
| 11:35.48 | jelly | ment0s: let me quote again: > on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode [...] it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:35.55 | DoctorD90 | it lists only critical bugs? |
| 11:35.56 | eneon | jelly: sure it is the way but one big feature (suspend) is not working for me |
| 11:35.59 | ment0s | jelly: ohh ok thanks |
| 11:35.59 | jelly | ment0s: you didn't read what dpkg said. |
| 11:36.04 | eneon | maybe I will wait for new stable |
| 11:36.08 | apollo13 | DoctorD90: yes, that is what the description says |
| 11:36.12 | eneon | when is ti gonna to be released? |
| 11:36.33 | jelly | eneon: then keep jessie, but try kernel from jessie-backports |
| 11:36.38 | DoctorD90 | apollo13, ah ok, so a minor bug it wont be displaied :P maybe i have to play a little bit with command :) thx :) |
| 11:36.41 | jelly | !bdo kernel |
| 11:36.41 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 11:36.43 | jelly | eneon: ^^ |
| 11:36.53 | jelly | eneon: also read /msg dpkg jessie backports |
| 11:36.59 | eneon | apollo13: is it possible (short) to give me fast overview how you use lvm snapshots, kinda good practice? |
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| 11:37.21 | apollo13 | eneon: there are plenty of blog posts out there describing it way better than I could ;) |
| 11:37.32 | apollo13 | IRC isn't really the best medium for it either |
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| 11:40.11 | eneon | jelly: what if I will use jessie-backports and then a new version of debian stable will be released, what can I do then, could I just remove jessie-backports from apt and do upgrade without a disaster? |
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| 11:40.47 | jelly | eneon: yes |
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| 11:40.53 | FeignInt | eneon: s/jessie/stretch/ |
| 11:41.05 | jelly | eneon: in fact that's documented in the release notes |
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| 11:41.30 | jelly | FeignInt: that makes no sense in this context |
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| 11:42.15 | DoctorD90 | jelly, Amun_Ra may I use AUTH on normal 25 port? or it is onl for smtp? |
| 11:42.39 | Amun_Ra | 25 is smtp and yes you can |
| 11:44.10 | jelly | DoctorD90: you probably can, but the recommendation is to use 25 _only_ for inter-server SMTP traffic, and 587 for submission of new mail by users |
| 11:44.20 | DoctorD90 | ah, so i use smtp by default...no..wait...maybe i did a mistake....smpt is not "ssl version" of mail protocol...smtp is the mail protocol :P |
| 11:45.09 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, jelly im looking about how use auth, so i can try if i can auth from outside :P (and how prevent this) |
| 11:45.41 | jelly | DoctorD90: smtp can mean "usage of 25/tcp port" or "talking in smtp protocol" or "server to server delivery" depending on context |
| 11:46.00 | jelly | are you confused yet |
| 11:46.13 | DoctorD90 | nothing related with secure mail..ok |
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| 11:46.29 | DoctorD90 | yes XD a little bit :P that "s" let me do a mistake :P |
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| 11:46.59 | DoctorD90 | mtp= mail transfer protocol, smpt= secure mail transfer protocol xD this is what i remembered :P |
| 11:47.19 | Amun_Ra | DoctorD90: S is for simple |
| 11:47.20 | DoctorD90 | smtp= ssl or encrypted anyway :P |
| 11:47.20 | jelly | DoctorD90: both are wrong |
| 11:47.23 | Amun_Ra | and simple it is |
| 11:47.30 | DoctorD90 | ahahha...great! |
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| 11:48.18 | DoctorD90 | better do a search in that case :P |
| 11:48.31 | DoctorD90 | my knowledge is a little bit out date :P |
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| 11:49.21 | Amun_Ra | depending on what you plan to achieve you might want to reconfigure exim4-config |
| 11:49.42 | cluelessperson | jelly, So I'm installing xorg, still no dice. |
| 11:49.52 | jelly | gives DoctorD90 copies of RFC5321 and RFC6409 |
| 11:50.16 | DoctorD90 | Q_Q ....to much to read...ahah thx! |
| 11:50.21 | Amun_Ra | gives also exim4-doc-html |
| 11:50.31 | DoctorD90 | hehhehe |
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| 11:55.21 | FeignInt | cluelessperson: ? is xorg installed? |
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| 12:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, there's arping and iputils-arping |
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| 12:07.13 | Lionyx | HI! Debian Jessie here! How do I convert .mp4 to .avi? I couldn't find ffmpeg. |
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| 12:07.56 | FeignInt | ,v ffmpeg |
| 12:07.57 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-1; jessie-backports: 7:2.8.4-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:2.8.5-1+b1; sid: 7:2.8.6-1+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.5-dmo1; sid-multimedia: |
| 12:07.58 | judd | 10:2.8.6-dmo2 |
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| 12:08.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems it's not in jessie, but in jessie-backports |
| 12:08.32 | FeignInt | Lionyx: use jessie-backports |
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| 12:08.58 | Lionyx | Is there any other converter already included? |
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| 12:10.44 | nyuszika7h | Lionyx: MP4 and AVI are containers, you are probably looking to convert MP4 (which might be H.264) to XviD, which is usually in an AVI container |
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| 12:10.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | avi and mp4 are container formats. ... heh, I typed too slowly |
| 12:11.39 | FeignInt | I guess we need to ask the reason for the remux/convert |
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| 12:12.15 | Lionyx | People can't open the damn mp4 file generated by screencapturing Kazam. |
| 12:13.08 | FeignInt | Lionyx: can you configure kazam to output avi? andyway, ffmpeg is available in jessie-backports .. so there is no problem |
| 12:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | what did you try to open it with |
| 12:13.46 | Lionyx | I can open it with anything , mplayer, vlc, dragon player, but if I send it by email or whatsapp, people cant. |
| 12:13.58 | teraflops | Lionyx: I guess is because the codec not container |
| 12:14.04 | nyuszika7h | Lionyx: can you post the output of "ffprobe file.mp4" (after installing ffmpeg)? |
| 12:14.11 | nyuszika7h | that will give some info about the codec used |
| 12:14.29 | nyuszika7h | I'm guessing it might be some weird codec as H.264 is pretty widely supported |
| 12:14.41 | teraflops | Not the* |
| 12:15.25 | FeignInt | how large are these files Lionyx? |
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| 12:15.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | nyuszika7h, http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ tells you how to enable/use backports |
| 12:16.02 | nyuszika7h | CutMeOwnThroat: I think you meant Lionyx? |
| 12:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | errr, yes |
| 12:16.27 | teraflops | I do Vp8 for all the things the video just plays in any Web browser |
| 12:16.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lionyx, http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ tells you how to enable/use backports |
| 12:16.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | :D |
| 12:17.02 | Lionyx | It's 8MB. I'm apt getting ffmpeg. :) |
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| 12:18.46 | nyuszika7h | since I'm here anyway I might as well ask, is there a better way to do 'apt list -qq --upgradable 2>/dev/null', as apt warns the CLI interface might not be stable? I want to check if there are any packages that can be upgraded in a script |
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| 12:25.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | nyuszika7h, I don't see such a warning on jessie... dunno about "better", but there is aptitude search '~U' |
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| 12:25.43 | FeignInt | also "apt-show-versions -u" |
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| 12:25.49 | nyuszika7h | CutMeOwnThroat: that warning only appears if apt's output is piped |
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| 12:26.01 | nyuszika7h | easiest way to trigger it is: apt list --upgradable |: |
| 12:26.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, it does... interesting |
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| 12:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | nyuszika7h, but that I think is true for the apt command in general... it's new |
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| 12:27.02 | nyuszika7h | yes, I know it's for the apt command in general |
| 12:27.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, use the aptitude command if you like |
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| 12:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | nyuszika7h, what version of debian are you using |
| 12:28.56 | nyuszika7h | 8.3 |
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| 12:30.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you will only get security updates in stable... new versions are never added to stable (well, they might, if that is the only way to fix a really horrible security bug e.g. in ssh, but it's a big exception when that happens) |
| 12:30.53 | nyuszika7h | I know |
| 12:31.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | so the apt command will not change in stable in the next ~2 years |
| 12:31.50 | nyuszika7h | ah, good point |
| 12:32.17 | nyuszika7h | I'm just using this in a bash alias (well, function) to do apt-get update, and if needed, upgrade (not like running upgrade anyway would do anything, but it takes a bit of time :P) |
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| 12:36.11 | nyuszika7h | also, "aptitude search -q '~U'" takes about 1s while "apt list -qq --upgradable" takes 0.2s, so I could run 'apt upgrade' in the time aptitude takes to search :P |
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| 12:36.35 | CLATH | hello? |
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| 12:37.09 | CLATH | i have question |
| 12:37.14 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, jelly i receive always 503 AUTH command used when not advertised (with helo and ehlo both). I have read that it means that auth isnt suppoerted. you confirm? |
| 12:37.56 | CLATH | is there anything like software-center in ubuntu for debian? |
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| 12:38.18 | Amun_Ra | DoctorD90: look in the config; section authenticators |
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| 12:38.49 | jelly | DoctorD90: again, use STARTTLS (SSL) not telnet |
| 12:39.28 | jelly | DoctorD90: your submission server shouldn't let you auth without encryption |
| 12:40.00 | jelly | DoctorD90: and again, easier to use swaks to test instead of openssl s_client or telnet |
| 12:40.12 | DoctorD90 | jelly, but i would a very basic server mail :P s |
| 12:40.36 | DoctorD90 | ssl is required for a very basic server (main purpose receive) |
| 12:41.03 | DoctorD90 | jelly, in guide i read this: swaks -a -tls -q HELO -s localhost -au proprio_utente -ap '<>' |
| 12:41.08 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, ok i go! |
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| 12:41.51 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, exim4.conf.template ? |
| 12:41.59 | DoctorD90 | (etc/exim |
| 12:42.06 | DrunkenDwarf | Hi all. im trying to set up my own trivial apt-repo on a raspbian. I have a repo on my web-hosting, with a .deb and a Packages file made by dpkg-scanpackages. The repo is added to sources.list and there were no errors on apt-get update, but apt-get cant find the package on the repo |
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| 12:44.11 | Amun_Ra | DoctorD90: depends on exim4-config configuration |
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| 12:45.36 | DoctorD90 | exam4 config setted as monolitic file |
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| 12:45.52 | DoctorD90 | but i dont know if .template is that rigth one :P |
| 12:46.16 | Amun_Ra | template is only the template from real config is generated |
| 12:46.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | nyuszika7h, obviously. you asked for "better"... that isn't well-defined, just as "best" (you can do "/msg dpkg best" for your amusement :) |
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| 12:47.05 | Amun_Ra | DoctorD90: /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated |
| 12:47.44 | DoctorD90 | btw, the template "auth section" is all commented :D yea! i go to check in autogenerated! |
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| 12:48.09 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, so i have to edit template, then run some command (like with grub) and i will get autogenerated? |
| 12:48.18 | DoctorD90 | (grub2*) |
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| 12:48.34 | Amun_Ra | update-exim4-something |
| 12:49.40 | DoctorD90 | great :D im reading autogenerated :D |
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| 12:55.03 | DoctorD90 | oh my god....it is very large...a real monolitic file...better read exim doc... |
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| 12:59.20 | Amun_Ra | and full of conditionals |
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| 12:59.45 | Amun_Ra | that's why people on exim list don't help with debian exim config problems |
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| 13:32.00 | februar | hi, I have Debian Jessie and the apache2-doc installed. Where can I found the Doc-Sites on the server? |
| 13:32.44 | marc__ | hey guys, so i tried to install debian 8.3 via live usb but during the process network manager continues to re-establish my wifi connection. is that normal? |
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| 13:35.28 | FeignInt | marc__: does re-establish mean it managed to connect already? or do you mean it keeps failing to connect? |
| 13:35.30 | nkuttler | februar: check /usr/share/doc/apache2-doc, there should be instructions |
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| 13:37.43 | marc__ | FeignInt: i booted the live image, connected to my wifi... then i wanted to install using the graphical installer, but every 2 or 3 seconds the wifi dialog box pops up and wants me to click "connect" |
| 13:38.55 | februar | nkuttler: thank you! It was there. |
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| 13:41.02 | FeignInt | marc__: then I guess it fails to connect.. I would also hazard that the reson is you do not have the firmware for the wifi card.. do you have a wired connection available? |
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| 13:42.17 | marc__ | FeignInt: during the live session there was no problem (using the nonfree iso)... yes, i have a wired connection available |
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| 13:44.30 | FeignInt | marc__: ? what 'session' are you in now? at least you can use the wire to install required firmware, do you know the details of the wifi card? |
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| 13:48.02 | Katharsis | I need to connect triple monitors (DVI, DVI, HDMI); xrandr return http://dpaste.com/1XVK98G.txt and arandr "XRandR returned error code 1: xrandr: Configure crtc 2 failed" - why? |
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| 13:51.56 | khazakar | Hi all! Why when I installed kodi-logo into my system It don't want to show that animation during boot,but during shutdown it shows? |
| 13:52.09 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, i can understood.... |
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| 13:55.38 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra, to receive mail, a mx address is strictly required? |
| 13:55.47 | Amun_Ra | DoctorD90: no |
| 13:56.16 | jelly | DoctorD90: you need either a MX or an A record |
| 13:56.17 | DoctorD90 | uhm...so it is there something in dpkg reconfig that i have wrong..because i cant receiv mail -.- |
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| 13:56.36 | DoctorD90 | jelly, on koding i cant manage records :P |
| 13:56.39 | jelly | DoctorD90: which domain? |
| 13:56.46 | DoctorD90 | koding.com |
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| 13:57.05 | DoctorD90 | it gives vps for free, for testing purpose |
| 13:57.13 | DoctorD90 | im testing there :P |
| 13:57.17 | jelly | DoctorD90: koding.com MX points to google apps' servers |
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| 13:57.35 | jelly | is that really your domain where you want to receive mail? |
| 13:58.00 | jelly | DoctorD90: you need to be in control of that domain. |
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| 13:58.45 | jelly | otherwise you can't receive mail for something@ that domain |
| 13:59.12 | DoctorD90 | jelly, what do you mean? |
| 13:59.21 | DoctorD90 | no, im just doing test on that machine :) |
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| 13:59.37 | jelly | DoctorD90: which domain do you want to receive mail for? |
| 14:00.06 | DoctorD90 | on my own server on which i have controll over records of domain |
| 14:00.41 | jelly | DoctorD90: what's the name of the domain you want to receive mail for? |
| 14:00.59 | DoctorD90 | second in your priivate message :P |
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| 14:01.37 | jelly | DoctorD90: put it in public so other people can help and verify your (test) setup |
| 14:02.04 | bsdordy | yes ... *cough* ... verfiy! |
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| 14:02.57 | DoctorD90 | exactly :P |
| 14:03.01 | jelly | bsdordy: he wants to receive mail for it, it bloody well is going to be public anywaty |
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| 14:03.19 | DoctorD90 | jelly, "public" eh :P |
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| 14:03.33 | bsdordy | DoctorD90: i was kidding, jelly is right and means well. |
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| 14:04.09 | DoctorD90 | bsdordy, yea...i agree with him xD im not a really sysadmin :P (it is clear!)..so i just always a little afraid xD |
| 14:04.18 | jelly | I'm just saying how mail works. |
| 14:04.37 | DoctorD90 | btw, doctord90.koding.io is the testing machine, and ehito.ovh is my server on which i have to run exim :P |
| 14:05.11 | DoctorD90 | once i can receive mail on testing machine i will do the same stuff on my own machine :P |
| 14:05.17 | jelly | DoctorD90: doctord90.koding.io is just a CNAME, pointing to sleeping.koding.com.(54.174.68.90) |
| 14:05.35 | jelly | and there is no SMTP service on that IP address as far as I can see |
| 14:05.53 | DoctorD90 | jelly, this is all that i can set :P ...wait..maybe it is turned off due to lunch :P |
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| 14:06.27 | DoctorD90 | ok, jelly smtp on 25 port :P |
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| 14:06.46 | DoctorD90 | (what command do you run to see records?) |
| 14:07.12 | jelly | "dig doctord90.koding.io MX" and "dig doctord90.koding.io A" |
| 14:07.22 | DoctorD90 | i try :( |
| 14:07.24 | DoctorD90 | :)* |
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| 14:08.37 | bsdordy | And i try. Oh my god, do i try, in this Institu-hu-tion. |
| 14:10.13 | DoctorD90 | 0o it says that address is unreachable 0o |
| 14:11.02 | jelly | points bsdordy to #debian-offtopic for the 4 non blondes fix |
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| 14:13.08 | bsdordy | jelly: thanks mate, sorry about that. i regret that i can't take it back, since it's now stuck in my head, possibly for the entire weekend. |
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| 14:15.20 | bsdordy | DoctorD90: host -t A doctord90.koding.io says there is an A-record. Thats all you need for proper mail. |
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| 14:16.32 | DoctorD90 | thx bsdordy ...so i have mis-configured the dpkg-reconfig :P |
| 14:16.38 | DoctorD90 | i try to do it again |
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| 14:17.51 | bsdordy | DoctorD90: consider that DNS is often cached. You view might be a cached view. It's unlikely that a result like "A record not found" is cached, but sometimes even negative results are cached |
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| 14:17.58 | hvpc | how to find out where is usb3 in my laptop ? ) |
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| 14:18.15 | bsdordy | hvpc: usually they are blue inside |
| 14:18.37 | DoctorD90 | uhm....my issue is that server -> hotmail, works, not hotmail->server :P |
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| 14:18.51 | DoctorD90 | probably i have misconfigured during settings |
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| 14:20.16 | bsdordy | DoctorD90: hard to tell. I always find it's easiest to collect as much info as i can get and just ask a pro. Like on debianforum.de, if de is your language |
| 14:20.38 | DoctorD90 | noooo...forum hates me! |
| 14:20.51 | DoctorD90 | i like chat...forum hates me....really... |
| 14:22.42 | bsdordy | how do you know the mail gets sent from hotmail? do you see something in /var/log/maillog? Is there maybe an ip-filter between the internet and your smtp-port? |
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| 14:23.35 | bsdordy | i'm not even sure if it is /var/log/maillog these days, but somewhere in the vicinity |
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| 14:25.12 | jelly | exim logs to its own /var/log/exim4/mainlog, not /var/log/mail.log |
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| 14:26.40 | Kerr-m | WindowsVista, not even once |
| 14:26.40 | bsdordy | A terminal with this should show any new entry in that log then, that could prove useful: less +F /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 14:27.06 | WindowsVista | Kerr-m: :// |
| 14:27.33 | hexhaxtron | I wanted to automate a point and click task. How can I make a macro of this? |
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| 14:28.30 | bsdordy | hire helper, show how to point and click, profit |
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| 14:29.40 | bsdordy | wasn't there a expect-X11 once? |
| 14:29.57 | WindowsVista | Where is the notepad.exe ? |
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| 14:30.56 | Kerr-m | In c:/windows/system32 |
| 14:31.11 | Kerr-m | Or if you were serious, then |
| 14:31.52 | khazakar | Any help for me with Plymouth and not-show kodi-logo after install it? It shows only during shutdown :/ |
| 14:32.01 | bsdordy | hexhaxtron: found it, it's called xdotool, basically you can script your pointer and click |
| 14:32.09 | hexhaxtron | bsdordy, thanks! |
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| 14:33.20 | bsdordy | hexhaxtron: found it here: http://tuxradar.com/content/xdotool-script-your-mouse |
| 14:33.41 | bugnuts | WindowsVista, its just in the win dir |
| 14:33.46 | bsdordy | but i could swear it was named expect-x11 once |
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| 14:34.23 | WindowsVista | You guys know too much windows. |
| 14:34.48 | Kerr-m | I have to use windows at work |
| 14:34.48 | DoctorD90 | bsdordy, im sure, because i have run "mail" from shell after i send mail from hotmail, and it hasnt arrived :P |
| 14:34.59 | DoctorD90 | now i check losg |
| 14:35.59 | Kerr-m | If you want a plain text editor, type vi or nano from the terminal |
| 14:36.16 | WindowsVista | Emacs FTW |
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| 14:37.14 | Kerr-m | Ah, so you are trolling. I said vi and nano because they are pretty much always installed |
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| 14:38.44 | bsdordy | Kerr-m: Dude named WindowsVista goes into #debian. Gets asked if he is trolling. What is the punchline? |
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| 14:39.42 | bsdordy | i myself regret that i have no witty punchline to offer. |
| 14:39.54 | Kerr-m | As do i |
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| 14:41.05 | bsdordy | WindowsVista: any help you can offer with that punchline-business? |
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| 14:41.48 | bsdordy | anyway, have a nice weekend mates, i need to wash my socks and unmentionables, no way that i can get away another week with my stinky attire |
| 14:41.49 | TomTomTosch | his face? oh snap. |
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| 14:42.04 | bsdordy | TomTomTosch: ha |
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| 15:02.37 | Pseudo | how to get debian iso disc contains with various desktop selection during installation ...can i go with the LIVE CD iso? or the dvd i.iso |
| 15:02.55 | Pseudo | *dvd1 |
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| 15:04.16 | halt | Hi all, I'm wondering why the big datacenters local debian mirrors are not on the official mirror list, ( and there for the httpredir service does not inc them ) I have access to AWS Linode and neither of the listed use the right address, I would love to keep one apt src on all my servers across different networks country and provider |
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| 15:07.07 | babilen | Pseudo: For installation you wouldn't use the live images |
| 15:08.02 | babilen | halt: Probably because they never made any attempt to get their mirrors included: https://www.debian.org/mirror/submit |
| 15:08.27 | DoctorD90 | jelly, bsdordy sorry, i was reading exim log. I find out this one: 2016-02-13 14:33:39 1aUbGV-00012j-Jr <= myaccount@hotmail.it H=dub004-omc2s34.hotmail.com [157.55.1.173] P=esmtp S=1685 id=DUB116-W65E2D4C85BF956D383F889DFAA0@phx.gbl |
| 15:08.46 | DoctorD90 | but no mail find out in my mail 0o with "mail" command |
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| 15:09.52 | DoctorD90 | 2016-02-13 14:33:39 1aUbGV-00012j-Jr => doctord90 <doctord90@doctord90.koding.io> R=local_user T=maildir_home |
| 15:09.53 | DoctorD90 | 2016-02-13 14:33:39 1aUbGV-00012j-Jr Completed |
| 15:09.56 | DoctorD90 | this too :P |
| 15:09.59 | Pseudo | babilen: any link for updated stable and complete iso |
| 15:09.59 | DugDig | hello, fine people of #debian. i would like to contribute something to the distro. can you please point me in the right direction of where to get started? |
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| 15:10.06 | DugDig | the thing i would like to contribute is an extra keyboard layout |
| 15:10.20 | DugDig | so perhaps i should be asking in #gnome or something instead, but i'm not sure... |
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| 15:10.31 | halt | babilen: so if I as a user send the couldfront mirror then it will be listed ? :) |
| 15:10.50 | doudou0 | I miss font for accents in lives vidéo editing program |
| 15:10.57 | jelly | DoctorD90: that vaguely looks like it was delivered, possibly into the user's Maildir/ |
| 15:11.01 | Pseudo | for debian 8 to download...id see there are many links offers to donwloand ...i need debian 8 with amd64 and with various of of desktop selection during installation |
| 15:11.10 | jelly | DoctorD90: mutt -f ~/Maildir/ |
| 15:11.11 | DoctorD90 | uhm....it is a little strange... |
| 15:11.17 | DoctorD90 | ok i try! |
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| 15:13.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell Pseudo -about install debian |
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| 15:14.17 | babilen | halt: No, that would be unlikely. |
| 15:14.50 | Pseudo | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 15:15.30 | babilen | Pseudo: The debian installer can download *anything* it need during the installation and the different images simply differ in the number of packages they include and their preselection. If you have a working internet connection during the installation then it doesn't matter much. |
| 15:15.47 | DoctorD90 | :D |
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| 15:16.18 | babilen | Pseudo: If you don't want to download anything during the installation you would, naturally, get an image that contains more packages (such as dvd1) |
| 15:16.20 | Pseudo | dpkg: since there are 3 different dvds for downloads and each sizes are 4.4 ++GB which one is the DVd is suffice to download for various desktop KDe GNOME LXDE XFCE duirng installation |
| 15:16.20 | dpkg | okay, Pseudo |
| 15:16.23 | DoctorD90 | jelly, it works :P and mutt seems to be better than simple "mail" :P |
| 15:16.41 | babilen | dpkg: forget since there are 3 different dvds for downloads and each sizes are 4.4 ++GB which one |
| 15:16.41 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'since there are 3 different dvds for downloads and each sizes are 4.4 ++gb which one' to forget, babilen |
| 15:16.42 | DoctorD90 | i have only to take confidence with mutt... |
| 15:17.01 | babilen | Pseudo: dpkg is a bot |
| 15:17.11 | Pseudo | debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso 2016-01-23 20:55 3.7G |
| 15:17.24 | Pseudo | debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso 2016-01-23 20:55 4.4G |
| 15:17.35 | Pseudo | debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso 2016-01-23 20:55 4.4G |
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| 15:17.40 | babilen | Pseudo: Yes, we can read .. |
| 15:17.47 | DoctorD90 | jelly, how may I get news about mails, from mutt, instead of "mail" ? |
| 15:17.52 | Pseudo | aah there is overall 3 set of DVDS |
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| 15:18.13 | Pseudo | with total of 12.5 GB seriously? |
| 15:18.23 | DoctorD90 | because i think mail look at /var/mail/user....i setted exim for home folder....maybe is this... |
| 15:18.24 | karlpinc | Pseudo: Of course if you just download the 300M-ish netinstall, then you'll be downloading only what you need instead of lots of stuff you won't install. |
| 15:18.37 | apollo13 | Pseudo: what did you expect?! |
| 15:18.40 | Pseudo | no i dont want live cd or netinst |
| 15:18.42 | babilen | Pseudo: You only need DVD1 for installation. You can install *any* desktop environment using *any* first image in a set (netinstall, cd1, dvd1, ...) regardless of size |
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| 15:19.15 | babilen | Pseudo: Do you have a working network connection during installation? |
| 15:19.21 | Pseudo | its doesn feed my needs because i only require the setup to offer the desktop selection |
| 15:19.41 | babilen | I don't understand what that means, Pseudo |
| 15:19.44 | karlpinc | Pseudo: Debian contains 43,000+ packages. So yes, there's lotta-gigs. |
| 15:19.50 | Pseudo | during my first installation so i can move to installl another pc or machine using the same dvd with a different desktop |
| 15:19.57 | Pseudo | karlpinc: lol |
| 15:20.00 | babilen | karlpinc: 50k+ these days |
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| 15:20.32 | tite12345 | Hi guys |
| 15:20.36 | Pseudo | lol seriously that big...good jobs people you all here are doing your job right |
| 15:20.38 | karlpinc | Pseudo: The net install will ask what desktop you want to install. If you "move to another machine" you are re-installing on that machine. (Unless you use a live disk, which you don't want.) |
| 15:20.48 | tite12345 | How can I copy multimedia files from an iPhone to my PC? |
| 15:20.59 | babilen | Pseudo: The installer is the same everywhere and you can select the desktop environment to install in the boot screen. The images, as I already explained, simply differ in their preselection and package selection |
| 15:21.23 | Pseudo | longlived debian dev team \0 |
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| 15:21.29 | karlpinc | Pseudo: Basically, they differ in how much unneeded cruft you get. |
| 15:21.30 | babilen | Pseudo: If you have a working internet connection, you'd use the netinstall and simply download what you need then |
| 15:21.44 | babilen | But we have explained this already :) |
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| 15:22.09 | karlpinc | Pseudo: If you're going to be installing at the north pole where you don't have internet then you might want a dvd set so you have packages on-hand. Otherwise, netinstall. |
| 15:22.34 | Pseudo | babilen ok tq for the infos kudos;...so with http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso is suffice to makes and installation with contains any desktop environment |
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| 15:23.14 | karlpinc | Pseudo: Probably not. There are lots and lots of desktop environments. That'll have the most common ones. |
| 15:23.20 | Pseudo | karlpinc: hahaha |
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| 15:23.37 | Pseudo | karlpinc: seriously for deb 8 stable.. |
| 15:23.42 | babilen | Pseudo: Just make sure you have a working internet connection |
| 15:23.58 | Pseudo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:24.10 | babilen | So, why do you even worry about this? |
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| 15:24.43 | karlpinc | Pseudo: The netinstall will also let you install any desktop environment. And the cd1 will let you install any desktop enviornment. As will the dvd set. It's only a question of whether you get (some of) the packages locally, off what you downloaded. |
| 15:24.43 | dagerik | what is easiest tool for allowing windows and linux machines in m network share files to the debian server? the purpose is a media center |
| 15:24.45 | Pseudo | but if to download total 12.5GB i for a minimum installation with KDE XFCE LXDE and GNOME wahh.i should to use LINDOZE... |
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| 15:25.19 | karlpinc | Pseudo: Could you say that in english please? |
| 15:25.25 | DugDig | Pseudo: what is your first language? |
| 15:25.34 | DugDig | or ... native language |
| 15:25.39 | karlpinc | dagerik: Possibly samba. |
| 15:25.42 | DugDig | maybe someone here can help you in that language? |
| 15:26.10 | Pseudo | DugDig: bangladesh |
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| 15:26.27 | DugDig | are the most commonly installed packages on dvd-1? |
| 15:26.34 | Pseudo | okay karlpinc tq i alrd have read on the website clearly |
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| 15:27.26 | Pseudo | Initially, you will only need to download and use the first image of a set (labelled as debian-something-1 to be able to start the Debian installer and set up Debian on your computer. if i celarly understand it |
| 15:27.33 | DugDig | Pseudo: what does "tq" mean? |
| 15:27.35 | Pseudo | *clearly |
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| 15:28.17 | Pseudo | dupig i will check that tq eman on the internet |
| 15:28.34 | Pseudo | DugDig: what is your first language? |
| 15:28.37 | karlpinc | Pseudo: No. All you really need is the netinstall. It contains the minimium needed to install anything else you want. |
| 15:28.44 | DugDig | english |
| 15:29.07 | Pseudo | DugDig: can u speaks tamil? |
| 15:29.36 | DugDig | unfortunately, no, sorry |
| 15:29.40 | Pseudo | ok karlpinc i will go with the DVD 1 |
| 15:29.48 | KindFam | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVD9j36Ke94 |
| 15:30.09 | karlpinc | Pseudo: You could try #debian-in |
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| 15:31.20 | Pseudo | there are stated also as f there are more images available here (labelled debian-something-2, debian-something-3, etc.), they contain the extra packages that can be installed on a Debian system (as mentioned previously). They will not be bootable and are entirely optional |
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| 15:31.41 | Pseudo | so need to get a dvd1.iso or the netinst |
| 15:31.46 | Pseudo | hehehe |
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| 15:49.10 | diamondsword | hello :P |
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| 15:49.49 | jelly | DoctorD90: that needs to be configured in your shell, or using the "biff" functionality which isn't really used these days |
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| 15:50.43 | DoctorD90 | jelly, configured how? im looking for it, but i can find oout |
| 15:50.43 | jelly | DoctorD90: try setting "biff y" and sending yourself mail, see if you get a notification in that shell |
| 15:51.01 | DoctorD90 | without biff :P |
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| 15:51.32 | jelly | DoctorD90: look for MAIL environment variable in your shell's manual |
| 15:51.50 | DoctorD90 | ok! i was looking for mailx vs mutt, but nothing :p |
| 15:52.16 | DoctorD90 | so at login shell i will get "new mail" from mutt insteal of mutt |
| 15:52.23 | jelly | as I said, that needs to be configured in your shell |
| 15:52.37 | jelly | mutt or mailx don't care |
| 15:53.00 | DoctorD90 | yea :D im googling thx to your suggest :) |
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| 15:55.21 | jelly | DoctorD90: why google, it's in your shell's manual |
| 15:55.40 | jelly | "man bash" or "man zshall" or whatever shell you use |
| 15:56.18 | DoctorD90 | oh....i was googling that :P but ok :D great :D |
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| 16:03.10 | khazakar | Hi all again,any idea to keep ethernet powered on in sleeping notebook? |
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| 16:07.07 | jelly | is there a way to use rsync with rsync protocol wrapped in ssl (not tunneled in ssh)? |
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| 16:08.15 | apollo13 | stunnel? |
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| 16:16.46 | teraflops | jelly: why without ssh, because is slow? |
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| 16:29.41 | diamondsword | what is gdebi? |
| 16:29.51 | diamondsword | gdebi and apt-get is the same thing? |
| 16:30.12 | diamondsword | and synaptic ... what differs these three please? |
| 16:30.32 | jelly | teraflops: no, because I don't want ssh traffic inside that network segment. ssl is not going to be any significantly slower or faster |
| 16:30.41 | zykotick9 | diamondsword: you might want to ask about: apt, aptitude and dpkg as well ;) |
| 16:31.09 | diamondsword | zykotick9: that would be better :) |
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| 16:31.15 | teraflops | jelly: ah |
| 16:31.21 | diamondsword | zykotick9: I'm new. |
| 16:32.05 | diamondsword | zykotick9: actually what I wonder, what is the best and easy way for me to install and "its dependencies" ? |
| 16:32.34 | diamondsword | because sometimes I try to install a package but it doesn't install dependencies, so broken software. |
| 16:32.44 | diamondsword | I think it was with apt-get |
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| 16:32.59 | zykotick9 | diamondsword: i'd suggest using apt/apt-get/aptitude and using the repositories. |
| 16:33.07 | diamondsword | linux is not like windows, what I understand well now :) |
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| 16:33.52 | diamondsword | zykotick9: last time I try apt-get install gnome while I was using xfce, but i didn't work and I broke the system. |
| 16:33.58 | diamondsword | a fresh install now |
| 16:34.01 | Amarande | diamondsword: break and learn :) |
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| 16:34.09 | diamondsword | because of the grub, I lost windows part too :( |
| 16:34.18 | Amarande | diamondsword: at least it's not like windows :) |
| 16:34.21 | rgr | diamondsword: use the provided package managers. two seconds on a search engine and look up using synaptic or apt-get. |
| 16:34.41 | Amarande | in linux, you break stuff, you get to learn exactly what you did, what it broke, and why it broke it, and this enriches your system knowledge in the long run |
| 16:34.45 | rgr | you dont get bonus points for constantly slating windows when you dont know the basics of linux ;) |
| 16:35.08 | diamondsword | ok, how to install chrome then, there is a tutorial with gdebi, but I want to try with apt-get, ok. |
| 16:35.12 | Amarande | in windows, you break stuff, you almost never can figure out *exactly* what you flubbed up, exactly what it broke, or exactly why it broke it, and all you do in the long run tends to be lose time and gain frustration :( |
| 16:35.25 | Amarande | diamondsword: closed source chrome or open source chromium? |
| 16:35.38 | Amarande | chromium you just do apt-get install chromium |
| 16:35.51 | Amarande | I haven't seen much need to use closed source chrome, unless maybe you subscribe to Netflix |
| 16:35.55 | diamondsword | Amarande: I tried that one, but that was not the same chrome I know |
| 16:36.03 | diamondsword | I need closed Chrome, I guess |
| 16:36.17 | Amarande | other than that (basically, DRM'd video support), the only thing chrome brings to the table vs chromium appears to be flash, but who wants that anyway :) |
| 16:36.46 | diamondsword | I need flash |
| 16:36.48 | diamondsword | :) |
| 16:36.52 | Amarande | I just had the happy fun hose-your-system experience last night myself |
| 16:37.13 | Amarande | basically went like this, one, find out that commercial games weren't working right in jessie, primarily because mesa is too old |
| 16:37.39 | Amarande | (also the fact that some or other xml library on jessie has an odd bug that results in glitches with vBulletin 4.x based fora) |
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| 16:38.07 | Amarande | two, switch repos like I always did, three, log out of X and go to a root terminal (never do a dist-upgrade from within X ... sooner or later your terminal will die and screw everything up :) |
| 16:38.28 | Amarande | four, find that a whole bunch of packages got stuck permanently in both autoremove and dist-upgrade status and couldn't fix it, time to reinstall linux :S |
| 16:38.53 | Amarande | apparently, if you want to go from jessie to stretch, you have to do it BEFORE you install a DE and such or you run into problems atm |
| 16:38.59 | cra1g321 | chromium and iceweasel can be used with flash |
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| 16:39.43 | Amarande | also, suggestion: non-free firmware procedure really needs to be clarified in the debian installation docs |
| 16:40.14 | Amarande | it took me about an hour or so of hair-tearing to figure out how to get the installer to find it when it asks you if you have removable media with it :( |
| 16:40.27 | Amarande | apparently because of two issues, neither of which is entirely clear at the first |
| 16:41.12 | Amarande | 1) just *where* it wants you to put the firmware on the usb stick, and 2) the fact that most firmware (or at least Intel wifi firmware) comes with some versioning numbers in the filename after the ".ucode", which apparently causes the debian installer to not find it (it wants the file to just end with .ucode) |
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| 16:43.25 | cra1g321 | download the firmware.tar.gz file, extract the contents to a folder called firmware on the usb pen drive. job done |
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| 16:43.40 | cra1g321 | unless things have changed, though i just use netinstall with firmware included |
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| 16:43.42 | haruspexx | hi |
| 16:43.58 | kahtahs_ | Amarande: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/08/msg00622.html |
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| 16:46.19 | Ghostbird | Hey guys, what could have happened when my Ctrl+Alt+T opens Iceweasel instead of Gnome-Terminal? I checked the keyboard shortcut settings, and they're correct (set to open Terminal) and my Preffered Application for Terminal is also Termina. |
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| 16:46.45 | Amarande | cra1g321: not quite, apparently if there's a version number at the end of the firmware file, you'll need to make a copy of the file that lacks it |
| 16:46.50 | Ghostbird | I also verified that my keyboard layout hasn't switched keys around. (As evidenced by me being able to type correctly) |
| 16:46.58 | Amarande | at least with intel's wifi firmware, there's such a number present after the "ucode" in the filename |
| 16:47.07 | Amarande | and it confuses the debian installer because it's expecting a file that just ends in ".ucode" |
| 16:47.41 | cra1g321 | Amarande, they are all deb files in firmware archives |
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| 16:49.03 | cra1g321 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/jessie/current/ grab one of the firmware archives, extract it, copy the deb's to "firmware" folder on usb drive, installer auto detects them |
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| 16:51.11 | babilen | dpkg: firmware image |
| 16:51.11 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 16:51.26 | babilen | Amarande, cra1g321: Just use the firmware image to begin with ^^^ |
| 16:51.33 | cra1g321 | i do :) |
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| 16:52.42 | Amarande | babilen: that's assuming you have the resources to switch to a new image |
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| 16:53.06 | Amarande | when your only usb key is in use as a backup/emergency live linux stick, and your laptop doesn't have a burner ... :S |
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| 16:56.31 | babilen | Amarande: Yes, assumptions ... |
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| 17:12.35 | marcidy | Hi, I'm messing around with diskless nodes using jessie. Not looking for debugging help, but some general advice regarding iPXE, gPXE, SYSLINUX, I can't seem to figure out the state of the art or how to choose. Any pointers? different channel? thx. |
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| 17:20.38 | Amarande | btw, is there any truth to the FUD that's been going around that systemd is going to increasingly prod people to choose GNOME over other DEs in the future? |
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| 17:20.57 | Amarande | supposedly I heard it was getting integrated with stuff in a direction that was going to more or less have people be stuck with GNOME, but that sounds like FUD |
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| 17:21.36 | markybob | Amarande, that's crap |
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| 17:23.26 | somiaj | Amarande: systemd will work without gnome (i.e. it is being used on servers) and won't force people to use a paticular DE/WM. What it may do is if you want to take avantage of a systemd fancy feature, gnome might be the only DE at the time that has been programed to do so. If this causes you to switch up to you. |
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| 17:26.01 | bsdordy | word on the street is systemd eats small animals as well. cats. lots of them. |
| 17:26.37 | cra1g321 | if in doubt, blame systemd |
| 17:26.50 | Amarande | heh |
| 17:26.53 | bsdordy | but seriously, systemd has destroyed shutdown -f -r now |
| 17:27.23 | Amarande | mind you, the biggest issue people have is probably the paradigm shift |
| 17:27.32 | bsdordy | i meant s/f/F/ |
| 17:27.37 | karlpinc | marcidy: Dunno. I've always used syslinux when pxebooting. There is a #syslinux channel iirc. I'd also be curious as to why one v.s. another. |
| 17:27.38 | Amarande | it used to be you had a separate, single-task oriented system program for each thing |
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| 17:27.57 | Amarande | whereas with systemd this is increasingly replaced by a monolith |
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| 17:28.48 | bsdordy | Amarande: that was the paradigm shift. we are back to the monolithic approach er had before the tools idea got traction (around 65 i think) |
| 17:28.54 | karlpinc | #debian-offtopic? Unless there's a specific issue you want to address. |
| 17:29.31 | Amarande | yeah, probably a good idea karlpinc |
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| 17:29.53 | bsdordy | one last word tho: cats! nuff said ;) |
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| 17:41.39 | blastwave | Is there a way to permanently disable DHCP in Debian 8.3 ? My attempt to "apt-get remove --purge isc-dhcp-client" results in "The following extra packages will be installed: pump" and one can not remove that without isc-dhcp-client being reinstalled. |
| 17:42.53 | blastwave | Also /etc/network/interfaces has "iface eth0 inet static" plus the usual config bits but I get DHCP assigned address at reboot and if I unplug the network cable |
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| 17:46.03 | DugDig | for some reason, when i am using iceweasel, when i press ctrl+f, it scrolls down instead of opening the find dialog |
| 17:46.13 | DugDig | is this normal? |
| 17:46.18 | DugDig | it's kind of mildly infuriating |
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| 17:51.49 | DugDig | i do indeed have vimfx installed, but i have also used it with firefox on other platforms without this issue |
| 17:52.24 | DugDig | hmm |
| 17:52.29 | DugDig | althoug when i disable it, the problem goes away |
| 17:52.30 | DugDig | thank you |
| 17:52.30 | marcidy | karlpinc thx, will dig and hopefully get an answer. |
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| 17:53.41 | babilen | DugDig: You should be able to search with / |
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| 17:58.35 | khazakar | How to choose wayland as default?(I have intel gpu in motherboard) |
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| 18:03.04 | petn-randall | khazakar: wayland isn't production-ready. Not in stable, not sure about any other release branches. |
| 18:04.21 | khazakar | petn-randall even just to try it on debian jessie,to check how it permforms with kodi running as standalone? |
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| 18:06.11 | sloopy | in top if the is a - before the command (f.e. -sh ), what does it mean? |
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| 18:11.12 | grawity | sloopy: it means the shell was meant to act as a login shell |
| 18:11.36 | sloopy | grawity, thanks |
| 18:11.45 | grawity | sloopy: an older convention equivalent to the -l option in most shells |
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| 18:12.33 | sloopy | I knew at one time, but the years (and MS at work) havnt been kind ;) |
| 18:13.12 | sloopy | and someone asked me, as I am more knowledged then they are, but it started to bug me in the back of my head... |
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| 18:25.57 | diamondsword | this is for starting iceweasel: GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed |
| 18:26.15 | diamondsword | how can I reset everything to default for iceweasel? |
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| 18:26.45 | diamondsword | I was trying to install firefox with this tutorial: http://libre-software.net/how-to-install-firefox-on-ubuntu-linux-mint/#a_install_firefox |
| 18:26.55 | srvk | Is it possible to set up a two screen multiseat with graphics acceleration using only onboard intel hd graphics? (mobo has 2 hdmi out) |
| 18:27.11 | TomTomTo1 | diamondsword, you can purge it and reinstall i guess. |
| 18:27.27 | OerHeks | diamondsword, firefox 44 is out for debian and ubuntu too. |
| 18:27.36 | markybob | diamondsword, why did you do that instead of using debian's iceweasel 44 package? |
| 18:27.47 | diamondsword | markybob: I don't know :( |
| 18:27.53 | diamondsword | TomTomTo1: how to purge? |
| 18:28.07 | markybob | diamondsword, http://mozilla.debian.net btw |
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| 18:29.12 | markybob | diamondsword, one way is apt-get --purge remove packagename |
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| 18:31.16 | markybob | diamondsword, your user settings are probably in ~/.mozilla/firefox |
| 18:31.47 | diamondsword | markybob: I'm trying your link to update iceweasel |
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| 18:32.02 | markybob | diamondsword, do remove the old one first |
| 18:32.09 | diamondsword | hoh |
| 18:32.10 | diamondsword | ok |
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| 18:43.45 | diamondsword | WOHOO |
| 18:44.00 | donofrio | ;) |
| 18:44.15 | diamondsword | attempt to remove iceweasel, wants to remove gnome too! |
| 18:44.37 | babilen | dpkg: remove rhythmbox |
| 18:44.38 | dpkg | To remove rhythmbox without removing the rest of gnome, mark the dependencies of gnome as being manually installed (see <unmarkauto>). The gnome <metapackage> will still be uninstalled. aptitude unmarkauto '~R^gnome$' '~RRecommends:^gnome$'; aptitude remove rhythmbox |
| 18:44.38 | donofrio | dunno....I use XFCE ;) |
| 18:44.43 | diamondsword | I want to remove iceweasel safely, and install firefox instead |
| 18:44.56 | babilen | diamondsword: ^^^ I guess you installed the monolithic megapackage during the initial installation |
| 18:45.09 | diamondsword | donofrio: I tired but my Fn keys didn't worked with xfce |
| 18:45.14 | farooghkz | hi. does 'apt-get download <pkg>' download depenies of pkg? |
| 18:45.19 | babilen | diamondsword: iceweasel *is* firefox. There is absolutely no reason to remove it for that reason. |
| 18:45.34 | diamondsword | babilen: hello brother :) |
| 18:45.37 | babilen | (all you get is a less integration) |
| 18:45.45 | diamondsword | babilen: I want to update it then |
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| 18:46.09 | babilen | diamondsword: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 18:46.39 | diamondsword | ok but someone said me first to remove iceweasel |
| 18:46.46 | diamondsword | hmh? |
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| 18:47.35 | TomTomTo1 | you said you wanted to reset to default. |
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| 18:48.14 | Shurik10893 | добÑого вÑемени ÑÑÑок |
| 18:48.20 | markybob | !ru |
| 18:48.20 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 18:48.27 | babilen | diamondsword: Well, that someone might have had good reasons to suggest that course of actions. It is impossible to comment on that without knowing the exact context of that suggestion. |
| 18:48.31 | diamondsword | TomTomTo1: ok but it tries to remove gnome too, uninstalling iceweasel |
| 18:48.44 | diamondsword | I have these errors when I start iceweasel from terminal: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/33ae558bbc3e12a6d9bd |
| 18:49.05 | mentor | Hmmm, does anyone know if that would be readable by any person using a Cyrillic alphabet? |
| 18:49.34 | babilen | mentor: It is Cyrillic and readable. No idea if it is idiomatic Russian though. |
| 18:49.46 | babilen | (from what I can read it makes sense) |
| 18:49.55 | diamondsword | TomTomTo1: because of these error I wanted it to be set to the defaulst |
| 18:49.59 | diamondsword | *defaults |
| 18:50.19 | babilen | "This is an English (speaking) canal. Please speak English or go (??) to #debian-russian |
| 18:50.23 | diamondsword | what should I do from here to fix iceweasel? |
| 18:50.23 | mentor | babilen, I was thinking Ukrainian, Georgian; that sort of thing |
| 18:50.24 | babilen | " |
| 18:50.42 | hexnewbie | mentor: I don't speak Russian, but I can understand it (if that's what you asked, but I think the answer to your question is no) |
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| 18:53.11 | hexnewbie | diamondsword: What kind of terminal is that? Where is it launched from? Is the console local? I only get this when I ssh to another computer from my laptop and try to run iceweasel. (Workaround is to launch dbus manually by: export $(dbus-launch)) |
| 18:53.29 | hexnewbie | I never figured out what causes it, since it works from my second desktop. |
| 18:53.47 | mentor | diamondsword, Start a new profile? |
| 18:53.58 | diamondsword | hexnewbie: I might broke iceweasel trying to install firefox |
| 18:54.25 | TomTomTo1 | diamondsword: but iceweasel still runs? |
| 18:54.33 | diamondsword | TomTomTo1: yes |
| 18:54.38 | diamondsword | but I want to remove it |
| 18:54.44 | diamondsword | and install Firefox only |
| 18:54.46 | TomTomTo1 | why? |
| 18:55.14 | diamondsword | why?? |
| 18:55.20 | mentor | diamondsword, So uninstall iceweasel |
| 18:55.25 | diamondsword | I didn't like their logo :D |
| 18:55.37 | hexnewbie | diamondsword: To the rest of the channel, your query sounds like "I want to remove firefox and install firefox only" (mostly) :) |
| 18:55.39 | diamondsword | mentor: it tries to remove gnome too |
| 18:55.55 | mentor | diamondsword, Is that maybe because the gnome package depends on iceweasel? |
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| 18:56.44 | DoctorD90 | jelly, Amun_Ra :D i get my certificate :D yea!!! thx guys ^_^ |
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| 18:57.06 | babilen | diamondsword: I already addressed the "it removes all of gnome" problem earlier |
| 18:57.11 | hexnewbie | diamondsword: If you're concerned about the error in the console you're getting, I can assert I get it with Iceweasel, SeaMonkey from official tarball, and I almost certain you'd get it with official Firefox tarballs too. |
| 18:57.23 | Amarande | wtf, gnome absolutely requires you install iceweasel now? |
| 18:57.25 | Amarande | ugh, that sucks |
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| 18:57.38 | Amarande | glad I use KDE then ... especially as there's been times where I've felt pushed to remove iceweasel altogether |
| 18:57.44 | jelly | babilen: that go (??) verb means "visit" here so yeah |
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| 18:57.56 | mentor | Amarande, The gnome metapackage depends on iceweasel, which is entirely not the same thing |
| 18:58.01 | hexnewbie | Amarande: It does not. |
| 18:58.10 | Amarande | mainly before I learned to set up custom url handlers in hexchat, as hexchat invariably refuses to acknowledge chromium as the default browser |
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| 18:58.17 | TomTomTo1 | Amarande, tomato tomato |
| 18:58.45 | Amarande | even if every other app acknowledges chromium, hexchat will still insist by default on using iceweasel unless you either create a specific url handler that uses chromium, or uninstall iceweasel altogether |
| 18:58.46 | hexnewbie | Amarande: That's funny, hexchat refuses to stop launching chromium for me. |
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| 18:58.54 | babilen | jelly: It was the only bit that I couldn't read more or less immediately, but inferred from the context :) |
| 18:59.02 | hexnewbie | I don't even use chromium, but hexchat insists on launching it for URLs |
| 18:59.04 | diamondsword | ok, how can I remove iceweasel without removing gnome? |
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| 18:59.25 | babilen | diamondsword: See above, dpkg mentioned how in the <remove rhythmbox> factoid |
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| 18:59.50 | Amarande | hexnewbie: I once managed to get it to work properly (in my case, using chromium by default without needing a custom url handler) but I've never been able to reproduce it |
| 19:00.16 | babilen | diamondsword: Or you unmark all packages you want to keep .. See apt-mark and aptitude unmarkauto. Also look into installing a smaller Gnome metapackage |
| 19:00.16 | TomTomTo1 | Amarande, #debian-offtopic |
| 19:00.43 | Amarande | even when I immediately installed the same version of debian on a second machine and configured things the same way, it STILL didn't reproduce, which was strange |
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| 19:06.42 | d0uglas | hi #debian. I would like to replace the first of two spaces in each line of a log file with a pipe -- [2016-02-11 20:00:04] 532 .. becomes [2016-02-11|20:00:04] 532 -- I think sed 's/ /|/2' would work on the first space, but I want the second left intact.. a tip would be appreciated |
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| 19:07.45 | jelly | d0uglas: so... you want to replace just the first space? |
| 19:07.50 | d0uglas | right |
| 19:08.05 | jelly | sed 's/ /|/' |
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| 19:08.14 | d0uglas | jelly: thank you! |
| 19:08.19 | nkuttler | but only if there are two spaces? |
| 19:08.25 | jelly | no |
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| 19:09.06 | d0uglas | hmm sed 's/ /|/' does both, [2016-02-13|13:28:16]|5 |
| 19:09.21 | jelly | d0uglas: which debian release are you using? |
| 19:09.56 | d0uglas | jessie |
| 19:10.20 | jelly | d0uglas: okay. what does "dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which sed))" say? |
| 19:10.29 | nkuttler | d0uglas: what's the output of echo "foo bar baz" | sed 's# #|#' |
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| 19:11.02 | d0uglas | foo|bar baz |
| 19:11.08 | jelly | echo '[2016-02-11 20:00:04] 532' | sed 's/ /|/' # replaces just one, here |
| 19:11.18 | d0uglas | nkuttler: sed: /bin/sed |
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| 19:11.46 | nkuttler | d0uglas: check your source file again. maybe you already modified it? |
| 19:12.00 | d0uglas | jelly: me too, that works, I just did sed /yadayada/ file.log. Okay so I'll pipe it. |
| 19:12.05 | d0uglas | nice, thanks fellas |
| 19:12.23 | jelly | d0uglas: show the exact command line and couple lines of input and output that show the undesired behaviour |
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| 19:13.17 | d0uglas | jelly: cat chicago.log|sed 's/ /|/' produces the desired output ([2016-02-13|10:00:02] 899) so I am good to go |
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| 19:13.45 | d0uglas | sed's pretty sweet, I ought to learn it |
| 19:15.05 | respawn | just messing around with debian jessz based puppz linux |
| 19:15.17 | jelly | d0uglas: sed 's/ /|/' chicago.log ought to do the same thing really |
| 19:15.19 | respawn | jessie |
| 19:15.27 | jelly | !puppy |
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| 19:15.34 | jelly | dpkg: ping |
| 19:15.35 | dpkg | Yes, jelly you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
| 19:15.48 | respawn | debiandog jessie |
| 19:15.52 | jelly | !puppy linux |
| 19:15.52 | dpkg | Puppy Linux is a GNU/Linux mini-distribution. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.puppylinux.com/ #puppylinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:16.08 | respawn | ok |
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| 19:16.13 | respawn | momantai |
| 19:16.31 | mentor | :N N $!bN |
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| 19:16.54 | respawn | no ned to be vulgar don zou think |
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| 19:35.15 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 19:35.16 | dpkg | <hellues> free dns my friend said to me <SerajewelKS> hellues: did you accidentally paste DNS server addresses there or what? <hellues> yeah i know but i am from Turkey some web site is banned for example youtube <hellues> because of that i wonna use static ip that works |
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| 19:35.31 | JesusTheHun | i'm want to compile a package from the source, and in the debian/rules there is a config enabled according to $(DEBIAN_SOURCES), what does this variable ref to ? |
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| 19:37.00 | JesusTheHun | i'm want to compile a package from the source, and in the debian/rules there is a config enabled according to $(DEBIAN_SOURCES), what does this variable ref to ? |
| 19:37.11 | JesusTheHun | (sry duplicate) |
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| 19:41.25 | Filystyn | guys helo |
| 19:41.32 | Filystyn | I NEED TO change permission |
| 19:41.37 | Filystyn | i copied as root want user to use |
| 19:41.39 | Filystyn | a folder |
| 19:41.44 | Filystyn | ANYONE?! |
| 19:41.59 | respawn | please no caps |
| 19:42.00 | JesusTheHun | chown user:group <myfile> |
| 19:42.15 | Filystyn | myfile is for folder? |
| 19:42.19 | Filystyn | too? |
| 19:42.24 | Filystyn | directory? |
| 19:42.32 | markybob | respawn, can't count how many times he's been told that. he doesn't listen |
| 19:42.32 | JesusTheHun | directory and files are same on linux |
| 19:42.38 | Filystyn | ofc |
| 19:42.41 | JesusTheHun | but if you want to change ownership |
| 19:42.44 | JesusTheHun | recursively |
| 19:42.51 | JesusTheHun | you have to use -R option |
| 19:43.05 | JesusTheHun | so chown -R user:group <directory> |
| 19:43.08 | respawn | some people never learn |
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| 19:43.38 | JesusTheHun | respawn, be kind :D |
| 19:43.52 | Filystyn | guys but what grupe cant i simply write Piotr - user? |
| 19:43.57 | Filystyn | i do nto want grupe of suers only a user |
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| 19:44.25 | respawn | that is just mz observasion on people who do caps a lot and dont kisen when is told to them to stop that |
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| 19:44.40 | Filystyn | DONE |
| 19:44.43 | Filystyn | thank you guys |
| 19:44.44 | JesusTheHun | come on |
| 19:44.46 | Filystyn | GOD BLESS |
| 19:44.53 | JesusTheHun | lol respawn you were so right x) |
| 19:45.00 | jhutchins | Getting a little over 15M/s on the live CD image. |
| 19:45.10 | jhutchins | Downloading it that is. |
| 19:45.39 | JesusTheHun | anyone knows where package $(DEB_SOURCE) variable comes from ? |
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| 20:03.07 | Guest35758 | hi,installed xfce4 on an old pentium 4 cause boss man wanbted an extra computer |
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| 20:03.30 | Guest35758 | having issues with lightdm on boot with werid graphics |
| 20:03.42 | Guest35758 | also autologin doesn't work with lightdm auto-login=username |
| 20:03.52 | Guest35758 | any help ? totally stuck thanks |
| 20:04.05 | petn-randall | Guest35758: What are the issues, then? |
| 20:04.31 | Guest35758 | autologin doesn't seem to work (this for my fix for getting around werid graphics) |
| 20:04.52 | Guest35758 | lightdm, and also tryed with xdm have missing letters and strange graphical behavoiur... |
| 20:04.57 | Guest35758 | however as soon as you login its ok |
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| 20:05.32 | Guest35758 | this machine is old, so i guess its drivers or something, xorg video intel installed tho |
| 20:06.00 | datasmurf | Guest35758: have your tried with slim login manager, i can do autologin as well |
| 20:06.20 | Guest35758 | i will remove xdm and lightdm and try slim and come back thanks |
| 20:06.29 | Guest35758 | but i would assume its going to look similar |
| 20:06.32 | Guest35758 | brb thanks |
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| 20:09.30 | datasmurf | Guest35758: I would check the bios settings as well, for vga snoop etc. set them all to default. maybe the time the driver first intiializee the card you see fragments of the old session, or what ever was last in the graphics ram stored. Or it's broken |
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| 20:23.04 | wewlad | hello, debs, #apache redirected me to ask my question here: for my needs of 'pretty links' in wordpress I need apache to have 'mod_rewrite' module installed, I found 'mod_rewrite.so' in '/usr/lib/apache2/modules/', to install a module a guy at #apache said I need to use text editor and 'LoadModule' http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_so.html#loadmodule |
| 20:23.10 | wewlad | I don't get what I need to edit and how |
| 20:25.07 | xand | wewlad: use the a2enmod command |
| 20:25.18 | markybob | wewlad, what's the output of a2enmod rewrite ? |
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| 20:25.34 | markybob | wewlad, does it say already enabled or enabling or what? |
| 20:25.45 | wewlad | okay. what's a2enmod? |
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| 20:25.58 | xand | debian command to enable apache modules |
| 20:26.00 | markybob | wewlad, apache program that enables/disables modules |
| 20:26.07 | wewlad | markybob: apachectl -M says my module is not listed |
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| 20:26.19 | xand | it's debian-specific |
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| 20:27.48 | wewlad | 'a2enmod mod_rewrite' ERROR: Module mod_rewrite does not exist! |
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| 20:28.32 | wewlad | oh, should've 'a2enmod rewrite' instead |
| 20:28.33 | wewlad | thx |
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| 20:28.47 | markybob | wewlad, yeah. like i said :P |
| 20:29.30 | wewlad | thanks |
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| 21:16.44 | wewlad | markybob: wordpress also requires the 'FollowSymLinks' option enabled and 'FileInfo' directives to be allowed (AllowOverride FileInfo or AllowOverride All), how do I do that on debian? |
| 21:17.34 | ewew | Hi. Can i just not use tools specific for debian to configure Apache ? |
| 21:19.07 | markybob | wewlad, in the <directory /var/www/> entry just add what you want. like Options Indexes FollowSymLinks then restart apache |
| 21:19.25 | markybob | wewlad, " AllowOverride None" etc |
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| 21:19.58 | karlpinc | wewlad: You may find the apache2 readme.debian helpful, or not. |
| 21:20.03 | karlpinc | !tell wewlad about readme.debian |
| 21:20.05 | wewlad | markybob: /var/www/html/entry? |
| 21:20.13 | markybob | wewlad, yeah |
| 21:20.22 | markybob | wewlad, wewlad, i'm going out for a smoke. i'll check in soon |
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| 21:24.21 | karlpinc | wewlad: He ment in the apache config file, found in /etc/apache2/. There's a section in the text file headed: <directory /var/www/> |
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| 21:25.23 | karlpinc | wewlad: If you don't know how to edit a file you probably want to use the "pico" or the "nano" editor. Then open your eyes and look at the bottom of the secreen for instructions on what key to press. |
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| 21:25.59 | wewlad | karlpinc: I know how to edit files, thx |
| 21:26.46 | wewlad | that conf is confusing |
| 21:27.05 | wewlad | it has <Directory /> and <Directory /usr/share> |
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| 21:27.24 | wewlad | why would I want those folders to have anything to do with the site's contents? It seems insecure |
| 21:27.25 | karlpinc | wewlad: Probably there's one in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ called "default". This is probably the site your running. |
| 21:27.46 | wewlad | karlpinc: wait, don't you mean /etc/apache2/apache2.conf? |
| 21:28.00 | karlpinc | wewlad: (Unless there's something else in that directory.) |
| 21:28.14 | karlpinc | wewlad: No. apache2.conf is the master file, it includes others. |
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| 21:28.33 | karlpinc | wewlad: All explained in the readme.debian, if you care. |
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| 21:28.48 | wewlad | I failed to read it, it's gzipped |
| 21:28.58 | karlpinc | wewlad: It's not insecure because you have to be root to change the config file's contents. |
| 21:29.15 | karlpinc | wewlad: Use "zless" instead of "less" to read gzipped files. |
| 21:29.20 | wewlad | oh, thx |
| 21:29.35 | karlpinc | wewlad: (There's other ways. That's the lazy one.) |
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| 21:31.00 | karlpinc | wewlad: If they're not installed, you also need to install the debian packages for the apache2 php modules. |
| 21:31.25 | wewlad | php works |
| 21:31.41 | wewlad | otherwise, I wouldn't be able to install wordpress |
| 21:31.46 | wewlad | it's installed and running already |
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| 21:46.28 | khazakar | Hi all! I need a help with wake on lan,or better named,launch through LAN,because I want to run notebook motherboard using WoL,but something blocks it. |
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| 21:47.03 | DrunkenDwarf | Hi all. is there a way to search for packages like (apt-cache search packagename) and show also the repo it's coming from? I'm trying to test a custom repo |
| 21:47.37 | petemc | !which repo |
| 21:47.37 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try https://www.palfrader.org/gitweb/?p=tools/weaselutils.git;a=blob_plain;f=apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
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| 21:52.24 | DrunkenDwarf | petemc, the output of that command wasn't very useful, it listed loads of packages (but not all i dont think) and not the one im looking for |
| 21:53.40 | FeignInt | DrunkenDwarf: grep is your friend |
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| 21:54.23 | DrunkenDwarf | FeignInt, yes, but without grep, they were listed alphabetically and the one im looking for wasn't in there |
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| 21:56.37 | FeignInt | DrunkenDwarf: I guess you could add "-s" (simulate) to aptitude install, it should indicate the repo your package is coming from without installing anything |
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| 21:58.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
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| 21:59.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there a cp/mv command that is mindful of the destination space and won't fill up my filesystem? |
| 21:59.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | i remember a rsync script or something |
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| 22:01.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | ugggh |
| 22:02.37 | cafuego | are you moving stuff to a dir on the same fielsystem? |
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| 22:03.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope |
| 22:03.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | diff zfs partition? |
| 22:03.29 | FeignInt | eneon: not that I'm aware of, you could use "stat -f <destdir>" to get info about destinatoin |
| 22:03.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | same pool |
| 22:03.32 | cafuego | then mv, cp or rsync will keep going until done or error out when the target is full. |
| 22:03.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah but i want them to be mindful it is about to fill up and delete what it already did move.. |
| 22:04.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | cause its annoying other wise.. |
| 22:04.12 | cafuego | Eryn_1983_FL: Oh yeah, rsync has a flag for that. |
| 22:04.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | really |
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| 22:04.29 | FeignInt | oops Eryn_1983_FL not eneon |
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| 22:04.33 | ecom | What's it called when you run Jessie, but you install packages from Sid? It's discouraged, and there's a specific name for this. |
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| 22:04.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok, |
| 22:05.00 | FeignInt | ecom: frankndebian |
| 22:05.28 | cafuego | Eryn_1983_FL: Yup, check the various '--delete-' options in the rsync manpage. |
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| 22:05.39 | ecom | FeignInt: I don't think that's it, there's a technical term for this I read on the wiki. |
| 22:06.03 | TomTomTo1 | apt pinning? |
| 22:06.03 | apt | it has been said that pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg00659.html |
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| 22:06.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok cafuego |
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| 22:08.24 | abnk | Hi. I'm running Debian 8 stable and iceweasel 38.6.0esr-1~deb8u1. I installed zotero-standalone 4.0.22-1. When I start it from the command line I get "Error: Platform version '38.6.0' is not compatible with minVersion >= 24.0 and maxVersion <= 32.*" (similar to this bug report https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=795343). I reckon that zotero expects another iceweasel version. |
| 22:08.25 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/795343 in zotero-standalone (closed): «zotero-standalone: Package stopped working after iceweasel upgrade.»; severity: grave; opened: 2015-08-13; last modified: 2016-01-30. |
| 22:08.28 | abnk | I am currently getting acquainted with the debian release process and now I am wondering how these versions of iceweasel and zotero got into stable when zotero expects another iceweasel version. |
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| 22:09.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | âremove-source-files |
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| 22:10.17 | jhutchins | ,v zotero |
| 22:10.18 | judd | No package named 'zotero' was found in amd64. |
| 22:10.26 | jhutchins | ,v zotero-standalone |
| 22:10.27 | judd | Package: zotero-standalone on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 4.0.22-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.0.22-1; stretch: 4.0.28.8+dfsg-1; sid: 4.0.28.8+dfsg-1 |
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| 22:11.24 | beatdown | v, epic |
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| 22:11.34 | beatdown | ,v epic |
| 22:11.35 | judd | No package named 'epic' was found in amd64. |
| 22:11.52 | beatdown | ,v epic5 |
| 22:11.53 | judd | Package: epic5 on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.1.2-2; wheezy: 1.1.2-2+b3; jessie: 1.1.10-1+b1; stretch: 1.1.11-1+b2; sid: 1.1.11-1+b2 |
| 22:11.58 | FeignInt | ,v iceweasel |
| 22:11.59 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie: 38.5.0esr-1~deb8u2; wheezy-security: 38.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 44.0-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 44.0-1; sid: 44.0-1 |
| 22:12.46 | FeignInt | abnk: seems security trumps stability |
| 22:12.56 | wewlad | omg, rage level is so high |
| 22:13.16 | beatdown | RAGE level is at 11 |
| 22:13.36 | wewlad | docs contradict docs and irc wizards |
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| 22:14.23 | wewlad | I want 'pretty urls' in wordpress. it requires to change some settings of the webserver, I'm using apache2, so I asked on #httpd how to change them. |
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| 22:14.46 | abnk | FeignInt: i see, thank you. is there a way to find out which version of iceweasel originally was in jessie stable? other than looking at the last version number before the freeze? |
| 22:15.01 | wewlad | https://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Permalinks#Using_.22Pretty.22_permalinks clearly says I need AllowOverride FileInfo or AllowOverride All |
| 22:15.10 | wewlad | but a guy on #httpd says no I don't |
| 22:15.31 | wewlad | and instead gives me a link to this docs: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/vhosts/examples.html |
| 22:15.55 | wewlad | the examples in the latter docs do not look like the internals of the conf files I have |
| 22:15.58 | wewlad | so I'm lost |
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| 22:16.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | thats #httpd for ya.. |
| 22:16.55 | abnk | FeignInt: also do you know if it is usual to not update the stable package but refer to the version in stretch (like the maintainer does in the bug report)? |
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| 22:17.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | no idea how to help either :( |
| 22:17.47 | datasmurf | wewlad: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18774784/enabling-pretty-permalinks-on-wordpress-apache-configuration-does-not-work |
| 22:19.17 | FeignInt | abnk: I guess that is upto the maintainer |
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| 22:19.53 | wewlad | but that op at #httpd was so against .htaccess |
| 22:20.15 | apollo13 | yes, do not use htaccess |
| 22:20.29 | apollo13 | there is no reason for it if you have control over the server, you should really do what thumbs says |
| 22:20.54 | wewlad | what does that mean 'if you have control over the server'? |
| 22:21.14 | apollo13 | if you can edit apache config files there is never a need for htacces |
| 22:21.21 | wewlad | for now it's set up locally on a vm, but in future I plan to move it to the hosting |
| 22:21.25 | wewlad | and not a vps one |
| 22:21.31 | wewlad | but shared hosting |
| 22:21.49 | mentor | htaccess is a hack to allow multiple users to configure apache through the filesystem |
| 22:21.50 | wewlad | I don't know if I'll be able to edit apache config files there |
| 22:22.13 | apollo13 | then get proper hosting |
| 22:22.25 | wewlad | can't, I'm cheap |
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| 22:22.31 | markybob | linode is cheap and gives you full access to everything with vps |
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| 22:22.55 | wewlad | vps requires me to manage the whole system |
| 22:23.03 | abnk | FeignInt: i see. looking at http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/i/iceweasel/stable_changelog it seems that the iceweasel package already went over version 32.* (which zotero-standalone expects) before the jessie freeze date. |
| 22:23.04 | wewlad | I'm not that advanced |
| 22:23.08 | FeignInt | wewlad: well, if you can't edit apache on the final host .. I guess what you are working on right now is moot |
| 22:23.28 | big-cock | (_)_)======D |
| 22:23.32 | big-cock | (_)_)======D |
| 22:23.37 | mentor | If they'd just chosen to have htaccess out of band it would have been so much better |
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| 22:23.42 | big-cock | (_)_)======D |
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| 22:25.04 | wewlad | FeignInt: I don't know, I have 0 experience with hosters, maybe they do grant access to apache's config, who knows... |
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| 22:25.29 | FeignInt | wewlad: what kind of budget do you have? |
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| 22:25.49 | wewlad | FeignInt: I found a hosting for just 1.5$/month |
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| 22:26.15 | wewlad | or maybe 2$/month |
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| 22:26.44 | markybob | wewlad, why not use something like dreamhost? who provides an already working/apache/wordpress installation and you have to do nothing? |
| 22:27.06 | wewlad | those guys also have such tariffs |
| 22:27.17 | poffs | is it possible / a good idea -- to install select packages from the Sid repository? I am in jessie and I want the zoneminder 1.29.0 package |
| 22:27.31 | markybob | wewlad, well you get what you pay for. seems like you need to pay. |
| 22:28.26 | wewlad | markybob: the price is not actually the problem, the problem is that I have 0 experience at website management, if I pick VPS solution - then, as I get it, I am supposed to manage the whole OS on a VM |
| 22:28.34 | wewlad | and I'm not sure I'll do it right |
| 22:28.37 | FeignInt | wewlad: digital ocean starts at 5$ mnt ( or hourly ) , choose an OS and you get silly 1tb transfer |
| 22:28.50 | markybob | wewlad, that's why i said dreamhost. it's not vps and they configure absolutely everything for you. wordpress included |
| 22:29.59 | wewlad | okay, let's suppose the hoster won't have problems with apache settings so that my wordpress'es 'pretty links' will work - how do I make it work now? |
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| 22:30.39 | wewlad | I guess thumbs was right saying I don't need .htacess, but then I don't get what I need to do, since this already contradicts the wordpress's docs |
| 22:30.50 | markybob | wewlad, i don't use wordpress (never have) so i'm afraid i've helped as much as i can. |
| 22:31.23 | wewlad | markybob: it's the issue with apache, not the wordpress, I bet you can help me with it, please |
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| 22:32.02 | TomTomTo1 | you can do what the wordpress docs say. |
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| 22:43.30 | poffs | is there a guide on adding a single package from a repository into /etc/apt/sources? |
| 22:44.19 | poffs | i am running jessie and I need a package from the sid repo |
| 22:44.38 | dvs | !ssb |
| 22:44.39 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 22:45.36 | jelly | poffs: don't do that, do a local rebuild using this ssb recipe above ^^ |
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| 22:46.11 | poffs | k |
| 22:46.17 | jelly | which package is it? |
| 22:46.37 | poffs | zoneminder |
| 22:46.45 | jelly | ,v zoneminer |
| 22:46.46 | judd | No package named 'zoneminer' was found in amd64. |
| 22:46.47 | jelly | ,v zoneminder |
| 22:46.48 | judd | Package: zoneminder on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.24.2-8+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.24.2-8+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.25.0-4; jessie-backports: 1.28.1-6~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.28.1-8; jessie-multimedia: 1.28.1-dmo9; sid: 1.29.0+dfsg-1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.29.0-dmo2 |
| 22:47.30 | jelly | so there's 1.28.1 in jessie-backports already, if that's good enough, ask the bot about: /msg dpkg jessie-backports |
| 22:47.56 | poffs | not good enough. need 1.29. what's the difference between sid and sid multimedia packages? |
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| 22:48.38 | jelly | the multimedia ones are from the (third party) deb-multimedia repo |
| 22:48.57 | jelly | then do the ssb thing, I guess |
| 22:49.18 | markybob | ,checkbacport zoneminder |
| 22:49.33 | markybob | ,checkbackport zoneminder |
| 22:49.36 | judd | Backporting package zoneminder in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: cakephp (>= 2.6.3). |
| 22:49.39 | markybob | oops |
| 22:49.40 | markybob | can't do it |
| 22:49.44 | markybob | easily anyway |
| 22:49.50 | jelly | ,checkbackport cakephp |
| 22:49.51 | judd | Backporting package cakephp in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 22:50.09 | jelly | maybe it doesn't "really" need that version |
| 22:50.16 | jelly | who knows |
| 22:50.25 | peteyy | Can I install software on a live cd boot? |
| 22:50.39 | markybob | poffs, hope you get what was just posted |
| 22:50.51 | jelly | peteyy: yes, you should be able to. It's not going to persist across reboots. |
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| 22:50.59 | FeignInt | poffs: why the specifc version? |
| 22:51.27 | peteyy | jelly: sounds fun thanks! :) |
| 22:51.27 | wewlad | f--k yeah! made the damn pretty links work! :D |
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| 22:51.50 | poffs | FeignInt, 1.28 lacks some features and doesn't work, lol |
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| 22:59.28 | wewlad | what's the difference between unlink and rm? |
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| 23:02.41 | grawity | the commands? |
| 23:02.54 | grawity | 'unlink' has fewer features, like no recursive removal |
| 23:03.00 | grawity | i |
| 23:03.01 | grawity | e |
| 23:03.03 | grawity | errrr. |
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| 23:03.35 | mentor | unlink is basically just a wrapper around the system call, rm is a full utility to remove files. |
| 23:03.35 | TomTomTo1 | reboots grawity |
| 23:03.39 | wewlad | are they different tools or is it just an alias? |
| 23:03.44 | wewlad | oh |
| 23:04.02 | mentor | wewlad, I imagine both use unlink() to actually do the deleting |
| 23:04.05 | grawity | yeah |
| 23:04.19 | grawity | but 'rm' also uses rmdir() where apropriate |
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| 23:12.29 | wewlad | grawity: just created a directory and tried to 'rm' it, but got: cannot remove 'test': Is a directory. |
| 23:12.59 | grawity | rm -r |
| 23:13.07 | TomTomTo1 | needs recursive for dirs. |
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| 23:13.40 | wewlad | oh, okay |
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| 23:16.32 | poffs | hey |
| 23:16.58 | poffs | what's the difference between a --system user vs a normal user? |
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| 23:17.32 | poffs | also, is there a way to change user to a --disabled-password user without using sudo/root? |
| 23:17.58 | poffs | example: su iceweasel-user (it asks me for a password, even though it does not have one) |
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| 23:19.02 | teraflops | poffs: -r man useradd |
| 23:19.17 | poffs | teraflops, already checked |
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| 23:20.10 | teraflops | poffs: did you read the -r --system part ? |
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| 23:21.38 | poffs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:23.06 | cuchufli | Can anyone recommend a really small usb 802.11ac wifi adapter that will work in Linux without problems? |
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| 23:23.15 | mentor | poffs, What further understanding do you need that the man page doesn't provide? |
| 23:24.14 | dvs | cuchufli: even if we did, it might not be the same version we're thinking of. |
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| 23:24.46 | poffs | mentor, differences between system and non-system users. also, i want to know, if I make a nonsystem vs system user, can I log into it without a password and without using sudo / root? |
| 23:25.07 | mentor | poffs, The man page explains the former. |
| 23:25.50 | mentor | poffs, And I did ask what more you needed to know, which you haven't provided. |
| 23:26.08 | poffs | the second question is what I am interested in. |
| 23:26.08 | wewlad | I got tired of navigating in long manuals using less, how to search for the line that contains some text inside the less? |
| 23:26.21 | wewlad | I mean make navigate go to that position |
| 23:26.26 | poffs | wewlad, / |
| 23:26.40 | markybob | wewlad, less whatever |grep -i foo |
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| 23:26.49 | markybob | wewlad, it's not an editor |
| 23:27.07 | wewlad | I know |
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| 23:28.02 | wewlad | thanks poffs and markybob |
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| 23:29.21 | mentor | poffs, You can read about the various password types in "man passwd" |
| 23:29.56 | poffs | mentor, solid. thanks. |
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| 23:32.57 | mentor | poffs, passwd also has a status option |
| 23:33.41 | cuchufli | dvs: oh I see. Would you recommend anything by Panda? It seems to be one of the most popular ones in amazon with Linux in the description |
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| 23:37.37 | dvs | cuchufli: I've never heard of Panda. |
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| 23:39.15 | poffs | cuchufli, orange pi ftw |
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