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| 00:12.14 | TomTomTo1 | cuchufli: this one has a cute penguin sticker :3 https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb |
| 00:13.08 | TomTomTo1 | (also endorsed by the fsf) |
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| 00:23.08 | TomTomTo1 | if you dont care for that much, just buy a cheap one and check the chipset. things like realtek often need nonfree drivers. |
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| 00:38.49 | poffs | why do packages get listed as suggested? I wanted to install zoneminder in a sid schroot. with apt-get install, it is 300mb of space. with apt-get install --install-suggests, it is 11gb of space |
| 00:39.19 | apollo13 | suggested packages usually provide additional functionality |
| 00:39.38 | apollo13 | but that diff sounds way of |
| 00:39.40 | themill | the suggestion of the suggestion of the suggestion is unlikely to be useful; the direct suggests may well be |
| 00:39.52 | markybob_ | poffs, wait what happened? i thought you were just going to do a local backport? apt-get source -b zoneminder ? |
| 00:40.13 | poffs | markybob_, i was going to do it in a schroot anyway, so I installed a sid schroot |
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| 00:41.09 | markybob_ | poffs, fyi sid support is in #debian-next at irc.oftc.net per /topic |
| 00:41.23 | poffs | k |
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| 00:42.26 | poffs | markybob_, no users. you sure it's at oftc? |
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| 00:42.35 | poffs | wait, nm |
| 00:42.42 | markybob_ | poffs, i'm sure. look at /topic |
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| 00:46.23 | poffs | what command can I use to check how much space is available in a directory? |
| 00:46.36 | markybob_ | poffs, available or used? |
| 00:46.43 | poffs | available |
| 00:46.47 | markybob_ | poffs, so you mean partition? du -sh |
| 00:47.04 | markybob_ | damnit |
| 00:47.12 | markybob_ | poffs, i meant df -h |
| 00:47.54 | markybob_ | poffs, the other one is for used. my brain got twisted up |
| 00:48.03 | ayleid96 | i have installed debian 7.2 on older pc with ati 9200 pro graphics... and i have problems install prop drivers for it, when i execute apt-get install fglrx-legacy-driver its messing dependencies, what should i do? |
| 00:48.16 | mentor | disk used, disk free |
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| 00:49.44 | ayleid96 | can someone help me? |
| 00:50.24 | petemc | with debian, perhaps |
| 00:50.35 | AvocetVIS | and with life issues, go to #debian-life |
| 00:50.45 | LambdaComplex | AvocetVIS: ...is that actually a thing? |
| 00:50.50 | AvocetVIS | hahahaha, I wish. |
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| 00:53.52 | mentor | ayleid96, We won't know until you tell us what the problem is |
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| 00:55.02 | ayleid96 | mentor, i have problems installind poprietary ati drivers, fglrx-legacy-driver, its messing dependencies and i installed this os couple hours ago so its fresh |
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| 00:55.58 | ayleid96 | is this driver actually working on debian 7.2? or its a bug? |
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| 00:57.13 | themill | dpkg: tell ayleid96 about bat |
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| 03:09.09 | Stalker | hello |
| 03:09.11 | Stalker | i want to use a fake terminal (static image) as screensaver, anyone know something ???? |
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| 03:11.45 | jeep | Stalker: use a picture ? |
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| 03:42.11 | Poppabear | not sure what the deal is, but this is what i get: http://hastebin.com/iqocatacut.scala ... i expect "node -v" to be valid ? |
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| 03:45.49 | themill | Poppabear: you might need to pick a pastebin that works (like paste.debian.net) |
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| 03:46.17 | themill | (The chances are that you have the wrong node installed) |
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| 03:48.28 | Poppabear | themill: not sure why hastebin is not "working" for you but here: http://paste.debian.net/385149 |
| 03:48.53 | themill | it returns an empty page |
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| 03:49.21 | Poppabear | it works for me :P |
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| 03:50.48 | themill | if you want /usr/bin/node to point to /usr/bin/nodejs, then you need to install the nodejs-legacy package |
| 03:52.26 | Poppabear | hmm |
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| 03:53.33 | Poppabear | thanks themill |
| 03:53.51 | Poppabear | not sure why thats not documented as far as i can find anyways |
| 03:54.04 | Poppabear | i know not your problem, just saying :P |
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| 03:55.15 | themill | the problem is that the developers of nodejs decided to pick the most generic name for a binary that they could find ... we're supposed to be thankful they didn't also decide that "ls" and "rm" were good binaries to ship. |
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| 03:57.10 | themill | Poppabear: perhaps you'd like to add a paragraph about /usr/bin/node and nodejs-legacy to the top of https://wiki.debian.org/Javascript/Nodejs ? |
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| 04:27.51 | ecom | I have both firefox and iceweasel installed on Debain 8.1. I ran sudo apt-get purge firefox and sudo apt-get remove firefox, but firefox still remains. How can I remove firefox? |
| 04:28.57 | markybob | ecom, what's the output of dpkg -l 'firefox*' |grep ^ii |
| 04:29.12 | peterrooney | if apt knows about firefox, you're probably not on debian |
| 04:29.27 | ecom | markybob: no output |
| 04:29.31 | markybob | peterrooney, he could've been dumb and used a ppa |
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| 04:29.53 | markybob | ecom, so you probably just installed via tar, which apt-get can't help you with. you're on your own when you do things like that. |
| 04:30.08 | LambdaComplex | is installing firefox on debian not possible? |
| 04:30.23 | markybob | LambdaComplex, possible. not supported |
| 04:30.25 | peterrooney | markybob: using a ppa doesn't automaticly mean dumb. misinformed, maybe. |
| 04:30.37 | ecom | markybob, peterrooney: I didn't use a ppa |
| 04:30.48 | LambdaComplex | markybob: ...why not? |
| 04:30.48 | markybob | ecom, i know. i'm pretty sure you used a tar |
| 04:30.55 | LambdaComplex | there's a nonfree repo, so why can't it be put in there? |
| 04:31.04 | markybob | LambdaComplex, because we support that comes with debian... it's not in nonfree |
| 04:31.15 | markybob | LambdaComplex, iceweasel is in nonfree. not firefox |
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| 04:31.25 | markybob | LambdaComplex, because mozilla said we cant |
| 04:31.35 | LambdaComplex | markybob: isn't that because the debian devs modify it? |
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| 04:32.12 | markybob | LambdaComplex, i don't want to get into this discussion but the answer is "sort of". thus iceweasel and no firefox |
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| 04:32.53 | LambdaComplex | markybob: i suppose the question i should be asking is what the debian devs have against shipping firefox |
| 04:33.07 | markybob | LambdaComplex, mozilla told us we couldn't. |
| 04:33.37 | peterrooney | LambdaComplex: mozilla won't let debian preserve the rights of users to modify ALL the software package, given that that might mess with trademarks. |
| 04:34.12 | peterrooney | (above is short version suitable for elevators, but not full truth or whole story) |
| 04:34.31 | LambdaComplex | peterrooney: doesn't the existence of official nonfree repos mean that's really not an argument? |
| 04:34.35 | ecom | How do I manually uninstall firefox? I ran "locate -b 'firefox'" so do I simply remove all the files/folders from the results? |
| 04:34.38 | LambdaComplex | i mean, if this were trisquel, that could be an argument |
| 04:34.41 | markybob | yeah it's too long of a story and way too overdone already |
| 04:35.03 | LambdaComplex | ecom: you still haven't told us how you installed it in the first place |
| 04:35.05 | peterrooney | ecom: we don't know how you installed it, so our best guess is guessing. |
| 04:35.27 | ecom | peterrooney, LambdaComplex: I don't remember how I installed it. |
| 04:35.42 | LambdaComplex | should i facepalm or roll my eyes now? i need help picking |
| 04:36.01 | markybob | ecom, if you download the binary tar, generally all you have to do is rm -rf the firefox dir |
| 04:36.19 | markybob | ecom, most people leave that in ~/ |
| 04:37.12 | ecom | there isn't a firefox folder in ~/, but there is a .mozilla. Do I remove that, or will that also remove iceweasel? |
| 04:37.34 | markybob | ecom, that's just your preferences. you don't want to touch that generally |
| 04:37.39 | peterrooney | ecom: NO, that's where your iceweasel settings are. |
| 04:38.02 | LambdaComplex | well (and I'm on arch), I have ~/.mozilla/firefox and ~/.mozilla/iceweasel |
| 04:38.15 | mo1991_ | has anyone installed debian on a micro$oft surface pro 4? I see a few howto's but they are somewhat out of date. Anyone here know of a good howto? Or if starting with testing would be less work than with stable? I think newer/newest kernel may be needed (typically I hate moving out of stable but .... shiny new shit) |
| 04:38.22 | LambdaComplex | so if that's the case then removing the ~/.mozilla/firefox would probably be safe |
| 04:38.35 | LambdaComplex | (but leaving the iceweasel dir) |
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| 04:39.14 | markybob | LambdaComplex, i only have a firefox dir and i don't have firefox. just iceweasel (debian proper here) |
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| 04:39.45 | markybob | put that won't do anything to remove firefox so he shouldn't bother anyway |
| 04:39.49 | LambdaComplex | true |
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| 04:39.57 | LambdaComplex | can't even remember if he has iceweasel installed on debian |
| 04:40.00 | LambdaComplex | thinks he does |
| 04:40.42 | markybob | too bad he left |
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| 04:41.08 | LambdaComplex | maybe he left to go read guidelines on using package managers to install things systemwide |
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| 04:41.55 | hiexpo | might be a good thing reading |
| 04:42.42 | LambdaComplex | hiexpo: tl;dr some guy installed firefox on debian and wanted help uninstalling it but he didn't know how he installed it |
| 04:43.12 | hiexpo | lol |
| 04:43.57 | hiexpo | probally added ubuntu repos |
| 04:44.06 | jeep | mo1991_: that would make your debian get dirty i bet |
| 04:44.12 | hiexpo | yup |
| 04:44.17 | markybob | hiexpo, i asked. he said no. *shrug* |
| 04:44.27 | markybob | oh well he's gone |
| 04:44.47 | jeep | mo1991_: can you disable secure boot in the uefi settings ?\ |
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| 04:46.58 | mo1991_ | jeep - i believe you can, yes. People have installed debian, i think you need to use testing - and a very new kernel with some potentially git hub tweaks. Most stuff works, but touchscreen and keyboard seem to be an issue. Just thought I'd see if anyone here had experience with it and could tell me what the latest working/ not working status is. |
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| 15:55.40 | Pseudo | btwn how to update if later will be an initial stable release of debian new version..by a fresh install? |
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| 15:57.08 | dutchfish | cjs, you could ask in #ubuntu, unfortanately i dont know much about it, it differs in many ways |
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| 15:58.15 | dutchfish | cjs, at least it differs in used kernels, syslinux |
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| 15:59.17 | dutchfish | cjs, however the procedure to build a bootable stick is about the same |
| 15:59.22 | cjs | But I'm not trying to boot Ubuntu! I'm trying to boot Debian! |
| 15:59.33 | TomTomTo1 | Pseudo, jessie lts ends april/may 2020 |
| 15:59.41 | cjs | I just happen to be using the same tools on an Ubuntu system to set up the USB stick. |
| 15:59.42 | dutchfish | cjs, yes |
| 16:00.12 | TomTomTo1 | Pseudo, you dont need to do a fresh install |
| 16:00.17 | cjs | (BTW, Ubuntu has a rather different way of setting up USB sticks, and it involves an automated tool that does pretty much all the work for you.) |
| 16:00.18 | dutchfish | cjs, but you definitely need different syslinux and kernel |
| 16:00.31 | cjs | No, I need the same syslinux. There is only one. |
| 16:00.32 | Pseudo | TomTomTo1: ok |
| 16:00.52 | dutchfish | cjs, i am not sure, but check it |
| 16:01.21 | dutchfish | (version) |
| 16:02.23 | cjs | There are not separate Ubuntu and Debian syslinuxes. It's a program that installs a boot sector and boot code. Though I am having issues with that, my real question is not about syslinux, but where I get the files that will do a Debian install. |
| 16:02.27 | dutchfish | cjs, or copy it out from the debian netinstall image, just to make sure |
| 16:02.46 | Pseudo | TomTomTo1: what are the apps or programs to back up my files on /home directory and application softwares like irssi weechat screen logs and etc |
| 16:02.48 | dutchfish | !netinstall |
| 16:02.48 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 16:02.57 | cjs | dutchfish: Yeah, I guess I could take that apart and pull stuff out of it. |
| 16:03.15 | Pseudo | when next time am upgrading the system to debian stable for the next release |
| 16:03.44 | TomTomTo1 | Pseudo, i just use tar. with -p it will preserve your permissions. |
| 16:04.19 | Pseudo | let says currently debian 8 nextime will be a debian 9 and i want to keep my irssi apps and thier log |
| 16:04.29 | Pseudo | lol |
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| 16:06.45 | Pseudo | am using xfce desktop environment but i must use a konsole terminal i dont want to everytime to apt-get install konsole if am reformating my laptop and how do i deploy konsole and irssi as it was how to do that |
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| 16:08.18 | teraflops | Pseudo: must use konsole? ... hmm |
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| 16:08.59 | Pseudo | teraflops: yeah it will be must no exception |
| 16:09.06 | teraflops | wow |
| 16:09.23 | Pseudo | cannt use lxterminal xfcetermminal quake or any others terminalss |
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| 16:09.31 | r6ku | why not? |
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| 16:09.39 | Pseudo | must be konsole |
| 16:09.44 | cjs | Hm. Anybody happen to know what a constantly repeating "0104" when you try to boot memtest86 means? |
| 16:09.47 | TomTomTo1 | is confuse |
| 16:10.01 | Pseudo | i like its default fonts |
| 16:10.11 | r6ku | shakes head |
| 16:10.13 | Pseudo | easy view for reading |
| 16:10.15 | teraflops | Pseudo: ^ |
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| 16:10.59 | kupi | hi |
| 16:11.07 | Pseudo | but let say if i want to reformat the harddrive how do i save or backup konsole other than using apt-get install |
| 16:11.24 | teraflops | Pseudo: fontconfig exists, also you can set whatever font you want in all the terminal emulators, from rxtv to st |
| 16:11.31 | kupi | i have debian 6 on my laptop and glxinfo says it uses software rasterizer but direct rendering |
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| 16:11.39 | kupi | that means I have hardware acceleration? |
| 16:12.10 | teraflops | Pseudo: in trying to understand what you say, but i can't |
| 16:12.38 | eliasbakken | Anyone know why python-systemd is missing from Jessie, but python3-systemd is available? |
| 16:12.47 | newbie | Is anyone running skype? i have this problem : skype:i386 depends on libssl1.0.0. |
| 16:12.50 | dutchfish | cjs, wild gues, a faulty MBR |
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| 16:13.24 | cjs | In the memtest86.bin? Hmm. |
| 16:13.38 | dutchfish | cjs, no in your boot device |
| 16:13.51 | apollo13 | newbie: so install it :D |
| 16:14.23 | cjs | Oh, no, because if I leave out the DEFAULT option in the syslinux.cfg, I get proper prompts etc. from it. (My previous "MBR FA:" problem was due to not setting the default partition. Doh.) |
| 16:14.23 | dutchfish | cjs, next best gues, your hw doesnt properly supports, booting from that device |
| 16:14.41 | teraflops | newbie: im not aware how did you nstall skype or eve if there is skype in jessie, if you installed a deb package by hand just do apt-get -f install |
| 16:14.44 | dutchfish | cjs, oh ok |
| 16:14.50 | cjs | I've booted Ubuntu from this exact USB stick several times, too. |
| 16:14.58 | apollo13 | newbie: you might have to enable i386 support first though |
| 16:15.03 | teraflops | install even* |
| 16:15.03 | apollo13 | (ie add it as second arch to apt) |
| 16:15.07 | apollo13 | dpkg rather |
| 16:15.07 | dpkg | apollo13: wish i knew |
| 16:15.14 | apollo13 | arg, stupid bots |
| 16:15.25 | cjs | In fact, that's another partition on the stick; a small /boot and a much larger encrypted partition that boots a minimal Ubuntu desktop. |
| 16:15.50 | michiel | When I installed Debian Jessie 8.2 (now upgraded to 8.3) - it installed onto /dev/sda (http://dpaste.com/3K828GX) - suddenly it is on /dev/sdb and my other disk that I use for backup purposes has moved from sdb -> sda. While the system runs fine and boots fine .. it miffs me it is this way. is there any way this can be changed (say by persistant naming through udev rules?) |
| 16:16.09 | newbie | apollo13 i am on stretch , i downloaded the deb from skype.com added i386 with dpkg and did also apt-get install -f, but htis dependency is not resolved |
| 16:16.21 | dutchfish | cjs, maybe, you could start with a clean usb stick to make it easier for yourself? |
| 16:16.42 | dutchfish | cjs, at least that would eliminate MBR problems |
| 16:16.45 | apollo13 | newbie: what does apt-cache policy libssl1.0.0:i386 |
| 16:16.47 | apollo13 | say? |
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| 16:17.41 | dutchfish | cjs, or install debian from a live system |
| 16:18.05 | TomTomTo1 | ,v libssl1.0.0:i386 |
| 16:18.06 | judd | No package named 'libssl1.0.0:i386' was found in amd64. |
| 16:18.10 | TomTomTo1 | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 16:18.11 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u17; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u19; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u19; jessie: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u2; sid: 1.0.2d-1 |
| 16:18.29 | TomTomTo1 | think #debian-netx is the right place :P |
| 16:18.31 | dutchfish | cjs, you can install debian from an ubuntu with debootstrap and work from there |
| 16:18.41 | TomTomTo1 | #debian-next |
| 16:19.03 | apollo13 | TomTomTo1: how so? |
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| 16:19.38 | TomTomTo1 | he said he's on stretch. |
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| 16:19.45 | jim87 | hello! of which package the "read" binary belongs to? I can't find it via apt-file... |
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| 16:20.07 | apollo13 | TomTomTo1: ah missed that |
| 16:20.24 | apollo13 | newbie: that package is apparantly only in stable and unstable for i386, so ⦠|
| 16:21.30 | TomTomTo1 | newbie, try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:25.48 | newbie | ok thanx apollo13 and tomtomto1 |
| 16:26.17 | teraflops | jim87: https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Shell-Builtin-Commands.html |
| 16:26.31 | michiel | jim87: there is read which is a bash shell built-in |
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| 16:28.40 | DoctorD90 | guys, im not installing adobe flashplayer to elude all bugs and security holes that comes from it. Some friends told me that installing from repo, is more secure, because it is more updated..... |
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| 16:29.09 | teraflops | jim87: which read -> read: shell built-in command |
| 16:29.11 | DoctorD90 | belong to me this is a stupid stuff because from repo i get an installer, that download from official adobe site....so who has rigth? |
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| 16:30.43 | dutchfish | DoctorD90, partly, only from https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree will you get outside flash, my best advise, don't use flash at all |
| 16:31.15 | JeremyE77 | DoctorD90: Just use chrome. It has it's own vetted flash built in |
| 16:31.38 | dutchfish | JeremyE77, DoctorD90 and you can disable pepperflash at will |
| 16:31.41 | DoctorD90 | dutchfish, sure...for this on this linux machine i havent installed, but unfortunatly, i use Prezi, and prezi uses flash :( ...so i should install it |
| 16:31.43 | apollo13 | or do not use flash at all, there is literally no reason nowadays |
| 16:32.10 | DoctorD90 | JeremyE77, i like firefox :P |
| 16:32.28 | JeremyE77 | There is reason. I just took a test the other day for a job interview that required it. |
| 16:32.36 | DoctorD90 | apollo13, i agree with you both.....i havent yet installed flashplayer :D ...but unfortunatly id need it -.- |
| 16:32.49 | JeremyE77 | It's rare but there is reason. Whether I like it or now |
| 16:32.52 | JeremyE77 | not |
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| 16:33.43 | dutchfish | JeremyE77, DoctorD90 as i said, inside chromium, just enable it for those ocassionals, leave it disable per default |
| 16:34.10 | DoctorD90 | dutchfish, so you suggest me to install chromium....uhm...no other solution yea? |
| 16:34.16 | JeremyE77 | That is what I meant. Chrome has it built in. Just use it for Flash and don't install anything extra. |
| 16:34.25 | JeremyE77 | Or install non-free |
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| 16:34.36 | apollo13 | I'd rather install the non-free one and enable it in firefox when needed |
| 16:34.42 | dutchfish | JeremyE77, at least you get timely updates, and you will surely need those, if you insist on using flash |
| 16:34.48 | apollo13 | chrome is just another big binary blob |
| 16:35.06 | DoctorD90 | apollo13, for this reason too, i havent installed it xD ahahah |
| 16:35.12 | dutchfish | apollo13, agree on that |
| 16:35.34 | DoctorD90 | guys, doesnt exist a flash plugin developed by community? |
| 16:35.40 | DoctorD90 | as for chromium? but for all? |
| 16:35.42 | TomTomTo1 | there are a few free flash players you could try first. |
| 16:35.43 | apollo13 | pepper flash |
| 16:35.52 | apollo13 | but that said, adobe itself is canceling flash, so⦠|
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| 16:36.06 | DoctorD90 | ah, pepperflash isnt the name of plugin in chromium? sorry , my mistake |
| 16:36.23 | dutchfish | apollo13, DoctorD90 i omitted flash already anywhere i can |
| 16:36.32 | DoctorD90 | yea apollo13 i understand...but unfortunatly prezi still work with adobe grrr |
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| 16:36.52 | apollo13 | DoctorD90: so, cancel their service and find something else |
| 16:37.03 | apollo13 | I am without flash and java since a year on browsers |
| 16:37.05 | JeremyE77 | Just get these head hunters off of Flash and I will be good. Coporations have some sort of love affair with Flash based tests (or worse Macromedia (whatver it's called) |
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| 16:38.22 | JeremyE77 | However I do LOL at the ones that turn the camera on every now and then to make sure it is you taking the test |
| 16:38.49 | Ghostbird | Hey guys, I'm trying to cross-compile some Cython generated code from Debian for Win32 using MinGW. However I run into a lot of compiler errors related to /usr/include/python3.5m/pyconfig.h:78:3: error: #error unknown multiarch location for pyconfig.h Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 16:39.37 | DoctorD90 | apollo13, eh...it is easy speeching xD i have many works on that platform :P |
| 16:40.04 | DoctorD90 | apollo13, you browse withouth javascript? wow...congratulation :P |
| 16:40.12 | apollo13 | DoctorD90: java != javascript! |
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| 16:40.36 | Ghostbird | DoctorD90: Browsing without Javascript is quite common. I do it a lot. |
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| 16:40.44 | DoctorD90 | oh! sryy! my misunderstood |
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| 16:43.16 | NoCode | Would allowing any user to write to /opt create any sort of concern? |
| 16:43.46 | Ghostbird | NoCode: Is there a good reason to let them? |
| 16:44.28 | Ghostbird | Because I can't think of any. |
| 16:44.38 | DoctorD90 | i go to checkout pepper flash |
| 16:46.58 | NoCode | Ghostbird, Well, I installed Firefox to /opt, it's currently bugging me to update. So I guess I'll just load it up with privileges and update it. |
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| 16:47.21 | Ghostbird | NoCode: Just let the users write /opt/firefox. Don't let them write to /opt |
| 16:47.35 | Ghostbird | That's a valid scenario. I've had it myself. |
| 16:47.56 | apollo13 | NoCode: just install it via apt-get |
| 16:48.05 | apollo13 | debian packages the latest ESR anyways |
| 16:48.19 | Ghostbird | That's a better option by far, but I guess he must have really good reason for the /opt install. |
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| 16:48.46 | apollo13 | if you really want to manage firefox manually: fix the global preferences to not complain about upgrading and manually upgrade when a new release comes out |
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| 16:49.18 | Ghostbird | The reason I used an opt install for firefox was to use Nightly for testing. But I no longer do that, so I use Iceweasel nowadays. |
| 16:49.28 | NoCode | Ghostbird, Cool, I'll do that. |
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| 16:56.20 | mp3_320K | hi there, i am new to debian. just installed jessie and would like to know i can convert a directory (and subdirs) that contains flac files into 320K mp3s. thanks |
| 16:56.53 | apollo13 | sure, with ffmpeg most likely |
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| 16:57.21 | r6ku | mp3_320K: soundconverter is ok |
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| 16:57.30 | mp3_320K | ffmpeg conmmand not found |
| 16:57.40 | Ghostbird | sudo apt-get install ffmpeg |
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| 16:58.07 | mp3_320K | Package ffmpeg is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 16:58.39 | Ghostbird | Huh? What version of Debian do you have. It works for me, though it says ffmpeg is already the newest version. |
| 16:59.04 | TomTomTo1 | Ghostbird, it's in jessie-backports. |
| 16:59.41 | Ghostbird | Oh, thanks. Why do I have it then? Must be because I'm on Stretch. |
| 16:59.53 | r6ku | jessie still has libav |
| 17:00.13 | Ghostbird | Oh, will that work for mp3_320K? |
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| 17:00.31 | mp3_320K | TomTomTo1, how can i install ffmpeg then? |
| 17:00.52 | Ghostbird | !candide tell mp3_320K about backports |
| 17:00.59 | Ghostbird | Dang, I think I did it wrong. |
| 17:01.15 | Ghostbird | Wait, candide is the bot in ##c D'oh! |
| 17:01.43 | Ghostbird | !dpkg tell mp3_320 about backports |
| 17:01.48 | Ghostbird | Did that work? |
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| 17:02.04 | Ghostbird | Ooh, shiny! |
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| 17:02.45 | TomTomTo1 | ^ cries at night bcs firefly was canceled :P |
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| 17:03.02 | cjs | dutchfish: turns out my problems were really mostly just syslinux problems, and I seem to be working it all out on the syslinux channel. But I want to do a totally fresh install both because I don't want any cruft left over (this laptop has been through several Ubuntu upgrades since 2011) and because I want to see how the Debian install system works. |
| 17:03.05 | Ghostbird | mp3_320K: This is probably easier http://askubuntu.com/questions/385636/what-is-the-proper-way-to-convert-flac-files-to-320-kbit-sec-mp3#385656 |
| 17:03.13 | mp3_320K | aptitude -t jessie-backports install ffmpeg did not work because ffmpeg is not in the backports repo |
| 17:03.48 | Ghostbird | That page uses libav-tools, which should be available, but will in the future be replaced by ffmpeg. |
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| 17:04.46 | TomTomTo1 | mp3_320K, you added the line to sources.list and did an update? |
| 17:05.04 | zykotick9 | mp3_320K: according to judd, ffmpeg is in jessie-backports "jessie-backports: 7:2.8.4-1~bpo8+1" |
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| 17:06.07 | Ghostbird | TomTomTo1: I think he forgot that, but we're moving past the point of usability IMO. He can use libav-tool provided avconv, instead of messing with the newbie unfriendly backports. |
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| 17:07.27 | r6ku | mp3_320K: also consider using 180kbps with VBR, 320kbps is a waste of disk space |
| 17:07.34 | mp3_320K | Ghostbird, can you please give me a one liner to convert the my flac dir/subdirs into mp3? |
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| 17:08.24 | Ghostbird | This should suffice for most things I think. |
| 17:08.25 | Ghostbird | for f in *.flac; do avconv -i "$f" -qscale:a 0 "${f[@]/%flac/mp3}"; done |
| 17:08.48 | jhutchins | Interesting, I thought ssh handled remote rsync connections, apparently rsync needs to be installed too. |
| 17:09.04 | Ghostbird | It will however do only one directory. |
| 17:09.19 | mp3_320K | Ghostbird, will the resulting mp3 be 320K? |
| 17:09.22 | Ghostbird | jhutchins: Nope, ssh just runs rsync on the remote. |
| 17:10.12 | Ghostbird | mp3_320K: Nope, it will use a sliding scale optimised between 220-260k. Use man avconv to find the options to get exactly 320k, I don't know them by heart. |
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| 17:11.29 | jhutchins | Ghostbird: I guess scp uses the ssh subsystem. |
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| 17:12.08 | mp3_320K | Ghostbird, that man avconv is way cryptic, man! not newbie friendly at all! |
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| 17:14.23 | khazakar | Hi all!Anyone using there UFW? Because I have a problem when using it :/ |
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| 17:14.45 | jhutchins | khazakar: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 17:15.30 | khazakar | jhutchins I wrote NAT rule to /etc/ufw/before.rules |
| 17:15.38 | khazakar | I expected working |
| 17:15.54 | khazakar | But I have " iptables-restore v1.4.21: Cannot use -S with -A" |
| 17:16.46 | khazakar | nvm,I wrote -S instead of -s :D |
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| 17:18.05 | DrunkenDwarf | Hi all. trying to set up a personal apt-repo with reprepro, its building fine, no errors on making the package/repo/uploading/apt-get update ... but when I try to install the package on it I get a size missmatch error, trying to get this done all yesterday and i sdont know where ive gone wrong |
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| 17:21.12 | asdflea | Hi all! I had two kernel panics last days while browsing the web. I checked /var/log/kern.log as well as syslog and dmesg but I cannot find the crash entry. How do I find out more about it or how do I make sure it is logged next time, respectively? |
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| 17:25.14 | Che-Anarch | I have a process specifically binding to loopback / 127.0.0.1 - how add an external route / interface to it? - I'd liek it to be reachable from the outside the context of loopback but without having to change how / what the process binds to. |
| 17:26.21 | frostschutz | Che-Anarch, why not bind to the external interface in the first place? |
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| 17:27.24 | frostschutz | asdflea, you can try network logging, otherwise it's complicated |
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| 17:28.42 | asdflea | frostschutz: Ok, I will look into that. Thanks! |
| 17:32.30 | mentor | Che-Anarch, The 127.0.0.0 addresses are specifically not routable. Just do it properly |
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| 17:36.05 | mentor | It is 127.0.0.0/8. I had to check. |
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| 17:52.47 | michiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.51 | mentor | michiel, There is no real guarantee which order the system will see the drives. Use UUIDs to identify filesystems. |
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| 17:56.56 | frostschutz | michiel, it depends. if sda is usb and sdb is internal, you could delay the loading of usb modules... |
| 17:57.03 | michiel | mentor: yeah; like I said: system works fine with using uuids - just miffs me slightly :) |
| 17:57.20 | michiel | frostschutz: nah both are internal SATA drives |
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| 17:57.40 | frostschutz | michiel, switch the drives around then ;) |
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| 17:58.52 | michiel | frostschutz: HAHA, If only that would work; the assigment of $UUID -> /dev/sdX is rather arbitrary at best |
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| 18:00.14 | teraflops | michiel: use labels then? |
| 18:00.35 | frostschutz | michiel, /dev/sdX is assigned on a first come first serve basis, unless you can guarantee that one drive is detected before the other it's difficult to force an order here |
| 18:01.19 | frostschutz | use one of /dev/disk/by-*/* instead of sdX, there are lots of options in there |
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| 18:05.06 | michiel | cheers, will have a look :) |
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| 18:09.50 | Seekha | Hi, |
| 18:10.17 | Seekha | On an embedded system I will use a custom kernel, on a Debian distro... is there a way to prevent kernel upgrade by apt-get ? |
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| 18:12.45 | tictac | michiel: switch the jumper ;) |
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| 18:13.25 | khazakar | Hi all! I need a help with configure my ufw firewall. |
| 18:14.40 | tictac | khazakar: what's the issue? |
| 18:15.04 | khazakar | I want to have ip forward from eth1 to all other interfaces,for having an Internet |
| 18:16.08 | khazakar | but eth1 always have private IP,not public Ip from my previous router,now acting as "public IP giver" |
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| 18:28.51 | khazakar | I'm again. Any help? ;_; |
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| 18:42.15 | PryMar56 | Seekha, use dpkg --set-selections |
| 18:42.36 | PryMar56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.40 | Seekha | Yep, I just saw that... but I read that I can remove the package too. |
| 18:42.52 | Seekha | I might try to remove the package no? |
| 18:43.05 | Seekha | then I am sure to not have any problem with kernels |
| 18:43.13 | PryMar56 | Seekha, I do that on jessie to hold the 3.16 kernel in favor of the bp |
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| 18:44.05 | Seekha | ok, but that is when you want to keep an existing debian kernel package |
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| 18:53.27 | cyphix | I try to install letsencrypt on my debian server. The letsencrypt doc says that debian has a native package for it, but apt-cache search letsencrypt returns nothing. |
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| 18:58.10 | GitGud | hello chatters :D |
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| 19:00.11 | SerajewelKS | cyphix: the proper debian package is only in testing and unstable |
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| 19:02.26 | cyphix | SerajewelKS: Ah ok. Is it safe to install it from testing then? |
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| 19:09.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell cyphix about ssb |
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| 19:11.40 | MangoMartini | :} |
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| 19:13.29 | Filystyn | HELO |
| 19:13.35 | Filystyn | i got a question |
| 19:13.40 | apollo13 | EHLO :D |
| 19:14.26 | Filystyn | recommand me free email page with easy way of making account (no captach hell with bilions of lines). |
| 19:14.33 | Filystyn | and small space |
| 19:14.38 | Filystyn | no bs like "1 Tera" |
| 19:14.44 | Filystyn | this is beyond retardid no one needs this |
| 19:15.17 | Filystyn | ANYONE?! |
| 19:15.22 | apollo13 | stop shouting |
| 19:15.29 | jhutchins | Couldn''t apache have come up with a script that translates 2.2 directives to 2.4 syntax? |
| 19:15.38 | jhutchins | !patience |
| 19:15.38 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
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| 19:15.43 | apollo13 | jhutchins: it is basically the same? |
| 19:15.51 | apollo13 | Filystyn: also this has nothing to do with debian |
| 19:15.53 | jhutchins | apollo13: No, many differences. |
| 19:16.00 | Filystyn | this has lots of to do with debian |
| 19:16.04 | apollo13 | jhutchins: oh? aside from Require Deny/Allow? |
| 19:16.16 | Filystyn | and I am a volunteer too |
| 19:16.20 | xand | Filystyn: lots of nothing. |
| 19:16.26 | jhutchins | Yeah, "Either all Options must start with + or -, or no Option may" |
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| 19:16.38 | apollo13 | ah |
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| 19:17.24 | Filystyn | im waiting for answer |
| 19:17.36 | Filystyn | 3 min already. |
| 19:17.50 | apollo13 | you will not be getting one as it has nothing to do with debian |
| 19:17.54 | jhutchins | Ah, think I got it. |
| 19:17.57 | xand | Filystyn: shut up. |
| 19:18.00 | apollo13 | and with that attitude your chances are zero |
| 19:18.12 | jhutchins | One option missing a + |
| 19:18.31 | jhutchins | OMG! It started!!! |
| 19:18.33 | apollo13 | jhutchins: wasn't that the same in 2.2 though? |
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| 19:18.40 | jhutchins | apollo13: aparently not. |
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| 19:18.56 | jbw | hi all |
| 19:19.07 | jhutchins | I guess one problem is that this isn't an in-place upgrade, it's a new system recovering an old, crashed system. |
| 19:19.09 | dontknow | Filystyn, openmailbox.oth |
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| 19:19.12 | dontknow | org* |
| 19:19.26 | Filystyn | thank you i was close to think the question was too hard |
| 19:19.32 | jbw | is it possible to instruct a package NOT to EVER overwrite my own changes to a configuration file? is dpkg-divert what I should be using for this, or something else ? |
| 19:19.34 | Filystyn | God bless. |
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| 19:21.02 | dontknow | Filystyn, don't mind those assholes :p |
| 19:21.06 | apollo13 | jbw: dpkg-divert sounds like a good option, assuming the package is well writen |
| 19:21.16 | apollo13 | jbw: otherwise chattr and make it immutable |
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| 19:22.28 | jbw | if the file is chattr'd will apt still install/upgrade without throwing errors? |
| 19:22.47 | apollo13 | probably not |
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| 19:31.19 | abrotman | jbw: if it's actually a config file, the packgae shuld never do this anyway |
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| 19:31.55 | jbw | abrotman, some packages prompt during upgrade/install if you want to overwrite/keep or diff the config file |
| 19:32.01 | jbw | i basically want to skip that prompt |
| 19:32.39 | jbw | i want to store config files in git for all my machines so the config files may exist before a package is installed |
| 19:32.49 | jbw | this is why i'm facing that prompt (which i want to try avoid if possible) |
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| 19:34.11 | apollo13 | mhm, passing -q or -y will probably fix that? |
| 19:34.21 | apollo13 | though that might override |
| 19:34.29 | apollo13 | given that it would answer yes, or not?! |
| 19:34.48 | nanohard | is there a link explaining how packages go from sid to testing to stable? i can't find the info. I'm wondering if redis 3.x will ever be in stable, or how that works. |
| 19:34.57 | jbw | i'm passing -yf at the moment and it still prompts :/ |
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| 19:35.09 | apollo13 | nanohard: it goes after two weeks without issues into testing |
| 19:35.12 | centrx | nanohard, packages go from testing into stable only on major releases |
| 19:35.19 | apollo13 | nanohard: stable usually only gets security updates |
| 19:35.25 | jbw | i think -y answers yes to the 'this will use XMb of diskapce, you want to install (Y/N)?' prompt |
| 19:35.34 | jbw | but not the config prompt |
| 19:35.37 | apollo13 | jbw: what about -q or -qq? |
| 19:36.08 | jbw | i'll try -q :) |
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| 19:36.57 | nanohard | thanks |
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| 19:43.08 | Quick_Wango | Hi! I'm currently building a package and I want to flag a few files as conffiles, but I don't know how |
| 19:43.26 | Quick_Wango | can anyone link to documentation explaining that? |
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| 19:45.18 | somiaj | Quick_Wango: have you read the new matainers guide? |
| 19:45.30 | somiaj | Quick_Wango: you can also ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 19:48.46 | Quick_Wango | somiaj: I read that: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.de.html#conffiles but it doesn't really say how to define conffiles, or does it? |
| 19:48.54 | jbw | think -q does the trick, thanks apollo13 |
| 19:49.47 | somiaj | Quick_Wango: do your conffiles live somewhere else besides /etc? |
| 19:50.23 | Quick_Wango | somiaj: yes, they're all in /etc, but installing an updated package will overwrite the files without asking |
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| 19:51.13 | somiaj | Quick_Wango: I don't know enough to be of much more help, but it seems that files in /etc should automatically be detected and trated as conffiles. |
| 19:52.01 | apollo13 | " A package may contain a control information file called conffiles. This file should be a list of filenames of configuration files needing automatic handling, separated by newlines. The filenames should be absolute pathnames, and the files referred to should actually exist in the package. " |
| 19:52.10 | apollo13 | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-conffiles.html is that of any help? |
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| 19:52.47 | Quick_Wango | apollo13: ahh that sounds like what I'm looking for, thanks |
| 19:52.48 | somiaj | ahh yea, that clarifies things. the heading 'conffiles' is an actual file it is describing. |
| 19:53.09 | somiaj | Quick_Wango: if you scroll up to the top of the page you link "Other files under the debian directory" so it was describing the file 'conffiles' |
| 19:53.27 | apollo13 | Quick_Wango: using dh_installdeb should have the same effect though |
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| 19:55.01 | Quick_Wango | apollo13: how do I use that? |
| 19:55.34 | Quick_Wango | though a manual conffiles list is probably better in this case |
| 19:55.56 | babilen | Quick_Wango: You might be looking for #debian-mentors |
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| 19:56.44 | Quick_Wango | I think I have now what I needed |
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| 19:57.35 | apollo13 | Quick_Wango: to be honest: no idea -- I never created a debian package, just threw against you what google suggested :d |
| 19:57.40 | apollo13 | (seemed valid enough though) |
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| 19:58.25 | Quick_Wango | apollo13: probably better googling skills :D |
| 19:58.47 | Quick_Wango | But reading a bit around the conffiles sections would already solved my case |
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| 20:00.06 | babilen | dpkg: mentors |
| 20:00.06 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 20:00.15 | apollo13 | Quick_Wango: acording to https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html#rules it is called by default anyways |
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| 20:20.28 | grawity | find / -name foo -type d |
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| 20:48.58 | ffledgling | What would be the right way to figure out what sound devices are available to me and which one is selected? |
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| 20:50.39 | dontknow | ffledgling, i guess you can see it with "alsamixer" |
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| 20:52.10 | somiaj | depends on if you are using only alsa or pulseaudio on top of alsa. |
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| 20:52.35 | somiaj | if you are using pulse, pavucontrol is a de independent tool for configuring pulse |
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| 20:53.35 | ffledgling | somiaj: I don't think I have pulse installed |
| 20:54.00 | somiaj | ffledgling: in that case you can configure default devices with .asoundrc (in $HOME) |
| 20:54.22 | somiaj | ffledgling: cat /proc/asound/cards will list all sound cards detected. 0 is the default unless you make a custom .asoundrc to modify that |
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| 20:54.38 | ffledgling | somiaj: how do I know what corresponds to what? |
| 20:54.59 | ffledgling | aplay -l lists about 10+ devices, although physically there shouldn't be more than two (AUX and HDMI) |
| 20:55.05 | ffledgling | What are the others for |
| 20:55.59 | somiaj | ffledgling: sound cards can have subdevices. 'cat /proc/asound/cards' is a much tider output, it gives you the actual sound cards. |
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| 20:57.16 | catbehemoth | my debian box spams my email with debian : Feb 14 15:54:46 : default : problem with defaults entries ; TTY=pts/2 ; PWD=/home/default ; (default is my user name) everytime I idle with a console open, how can I stop debian from doing that? |
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| 20:58.17 | ffledgling | somiaj: this is a little too terse? It does have just two lines though, so it makes more sense |
| 20:58.22 | ffledgling | What are the subdevices for? |
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| 20:59.27 | somiaj | ffledgling: depends on the sound card. |
| 21:00.13 | somiaj | ffledgling: http://paste.debian.net/387128/ that is a copy of my $HOME/.asoundrc to make sound card 2 (sblive) my default over onboard and hdmi |
| 21:00.26 | somiaj | ffledgling: note you may need a third line, defaults.pcm.device |
| 21:00.35 | somiaj | you can try to pull this info from aplay -l |
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| 21:01.20 | SDL2 | Hello |
| 21:01.22 | SDL2 | I am trying to make a standalone program that uses the SDL2 library. The program is saying it cannot find "libSDL2-2.0.so.0". The program works fine once I install libSDL2-dev with apt-get, but this needs to be a standalone program. How can I make it so SDL2 is linked to my program so it can be a standalone application? |
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| 21:02.35 | somiaj | SDL2: I'm a bit confused. You should only need libSDL2-dev to compile the program. Once it is compiled it shouldn't need the headers. |
| 21:02.53 | somiaj | SDL2: or are you wanting to not use a shared libary at all. If so look up 'static linked binary' |
| 21:03.14 | SDL2 | somiaj: I want it to work without me having to install libSDL2-dev. |
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| 21:04.03 | ffledgling | somiaj: thanks, but I don't quite know which of the many devices I want to make default |
| 21:04.16 | somiaj | ffledgling: well you can only make one device default. |
| 21:04.36 | somiaj | this just means apps will use this device by default. Most apps you can configure which sound card they use and not care about the .asoundrc |
| 21:04.52 | somiaj | SDL2: again I'm confused by what you mean 'work'. By work do you mean first compile the binary then run it? |
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| 21:06.07 | somiaj | SDL2: maybe describe the series of commands you currently have to write to get it to 'work' |
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| 21:07.13 | SDL2 | somiaj: By work I mean the program runs and does what ever it is programmed to do |
| 21:07.57 | somiaj | you are still being vague, you won't get much help begin vague. |
| 21:08.09 | somiaj | each time you run the program are you compiling it? If so you have to isntall the headers |
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| 21:14.13 | SDL2 | somiaj: Alright, Here is the program: http://pastebin.com/sSFAPQyu. I am compiling it with the CodeBlocks IDE. It is producing a "executable" file. After I have installed SDL2 it works great. I then try to run the file outside of CodeBlocks it works as well. Once I try to run it without SDL2 installed it doesn't work and talks about how it can't find "libSDL2-2.0.so.0". How can I get it so the program can run without SDL2 being installe |
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| 21:15.26 | somiaj | SDL2: in this case you don't need to install the -dev version of the livary, just install libSDL2 libary |
| 21:15.42 | somiaj | if you want to not use a shared libary which this program needs do as I suggested above, look up 'static linked libaries' |
| 21:16.38 | SDL2 | somiaj: Oh I see. If I use the static linked libraries option, I don't need to install anything on the system? |
| 21:17.51 | somiaj | that is the idea of static linked binaryes. They will be a lot bigger |
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| 21:19.30 | SDL2 | somiaj: Oh great, so I don't need tin install anything on the system? |
| 21:19.37 | SDL2 | *to |
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| 21:20.09 | somiaj | assuming the system has standard libc libaries, those usually aren't static linked |
| 21:20.37 | somiaj | but yes, instead of linking to the shared libary (which requires it to be available on the system) it builds the libary into the binary |
| 21:20.55 | somiaj | which makes the binary way bigger (since you will have a copy of the libary, it is just inside the binary and not a seperate file on the system) |
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| 21:21.16 | SDL2 | somiaj: Sounds, great I will check it out! |
| 21:21.19 | SDL2 | *, great = great, |
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| 21:21.38 | SDL2 | somiaj: How much bigger? |
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| 21:22.27 | somiaj | SDL2: add up the size of all the libaries you will be bulding in the binary. |
| 21:22.34 | somiaj | for one file this isn't to bad |
| 21:23.02 | somiaj | but think of a whole system and every binary having its own copies of libaries on it, it would make the whole system way bigger since it effectivly has multiple copies of the libaries in every binary |
| 21:23.15 | somiaj | note it only includes the libaries ti needs, so the actual size difference depends a lot on the software |
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| 21:23.53 | SDL2 | somiaj: I need SDL2, SDL2_image, SDL2_mixer, SDL2_ttf, and SDL2_net/ |
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| 21:24.45 | Walakea | is there a possibility that even though bbswitch reports off the card is using power? (laptop with 2 GPUs, not installed driver for NVidia) |
| 21:25.01 | somiaj | compile the binary with static linked libaries and see how much bigger (note you aren't avoiding not installing the libaries, you are just including them in the binary) |
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| 21:39.30 | TomTomTo2 | Walakea, maybe try #bumblebee |
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| 21:41.12 | Rust3dCor3 | hi. when i turn on a small light on my desk, my computer stops responding to keyboard and mouse movements. i replug the usb peripherals and nothing happens. lsusb shows absolutely nothing. need to restart the whole os every time. whats wrong? |
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| 21:43.40 | apollo13 | Rust3dCor3: look at the kernel log |
| 21:43.57 | Rust3dCor3 | apollo13: where i can find it? var? |
| 21:44.20 | abrotman | /var/log/ |
| 21:44.42 | abrotman | Rust3dCor3: Are your lamp and computer plugged into the same power strip? |
| 21:44.49 | apollo13 | most likely ;) |
| 21:44.59 | apollo13 | I doubt that the photons are killing the usb |
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| 21:45.20 | Rust3dCor3 | abrotman: no. also i have a fridge in my room that is connected to a different outlet. its the same scenario |
| 21:45.30 | abrotman | would probably try a new lamp |
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| 21:45.41 | Rust3dCor3 | abrotman: less powerfull? |
| 21:45.44 | apollo13 | Rust3dCor3: different outlet != different power strip |
| 21:45.49 | abrotman | Rust3dCor3: 1 millino candles? :) |
| 21:45.59 | TomTomTo2 | is it an old light bulb? |
| 21:46.35 | Rust3dCor3 | TomTomTo2: its a new high tech lamp. with mercury in the bulb |
| 21:46.53 | abrotman | a CFL |
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| 21:48.22 | apollo13 | Rust3dCor3: either way, it sounds as if you want an electrician to check your wiring |
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| 21:48.46 | Rust3dCor3 | apollo13: i live in a dorm. sadly, its a no no |
| 21:49.32 | Rust3dCor3 | apollo13: the best thing that i can do is to unplug the laptop from power and than turn the lamp on |
| 21:49.54 | apollo13 | well you can try to reproduce it somewhere else, maybe your laptop has an issue |
| 21:50.07 | apollo13 | does it happen with all lamps or just that one, but either way, this should not happen |
| 21:50.13 | TomTomTo2 | only the peripherals stop working and not the laptop itself? |
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| 21:50.35 | Rust3dCor3 | TomTomTo2 only keyboard and mouse |
| 21:50.40 | Rust3dCor3 | they are usb connected |
| 21:50.57 | Rust3dCor3 | the laser in the mouse works but the os just dont recognize it |
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| 21:51.05 | apollo13 | well what does dmesg say |
| 21:51.10 | apollo13 | I'd guess it killed the hub |
| 21:51.36 | TomTomTo2 | is the battery connected? the battery acts as a filter. |
| 21:52.05 | Rust3dCor3 | the batter is inside |
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| 21:52.59 | Rust3dCor3 | looks like its a dorm power issue. the laptop was fine in other places |
| 21:53.42 | TomTomTo2 | maybe smth wrong with the grounding. |
| 21:53.52 | Rust3dCor3 | prolly its a very old dorm |
| 21:53.55 | apollo13 | is the lamp even grounded? |
| 21:54.07 | Rust3dCor3 | apollo13: no |
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| 21:54.30 | TomTomTo2 | it should be if it's metal. |
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| 21:54.31 | apollo13 | I'd buy a connector board which is ment for eletronic devices and put that in between |
| 21:54.40 | apollo13 | TomTomTo2: haha :D |
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| 21:55.05 | apollo13 | Rust3dCor3: preferably something whith it's own fuse protection and net filter |
| 21:55.11 | apollo13 | worth a try at least |
| 21:55.36 | Rust3dCor3 | ok. ill try to get it. thanks for help |
| 21:55.38 | Rust3dCor3 | night |
| 21:55.40 | apollo13 | something along the lines of http://www.amazon.de/Brennenstuhl-Premium-Line-%C3%9Cberspannungsschutz-Steckdosenleiste-Schalter-1155000374/dp/B000KJR5GI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1455486925&sr=8-2&keywords=computer+steckerleiste |
| 21:55.48 | apollo13 | (sorry for german, don't know the english words) |
| 21:56.31 | TomTomTo2 | weird... |
| 21:56.58 | apollo13 | TomTomTo2: fwiw most small lamps are just two poles |
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| 21:57.20 | apollo13 | if not to say all ;) |
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| 22:16.39 | TomTomTo2 | then maybe the switch has a bad contact and the laptop has a bad psu. ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 22:18.07 | [exa] | Hi everyone. Do you know any non-linear video editor that you can use on debain and that doesn't crash? I tried cinellera, lives, and pitivi, all segfault before I reach reasonable project size (2 minutes of video and few cuts) |
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| 22:19.28 | [exa] | (trying kdenlive right now) |
| 22:19.43 | Ghostbird | [exa]: If you find one, tell me. I've been looking for the same thing, but I haven't found one yet. I've tried most of those. |
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| 22:20.41 | [exa] | actually best approach so far seems to be to mix the video in blender (it _didn't crash_, but audio capabilities are limited etc.) |
| 22:20.56 | [exa] | oh wow there's something called openshot *apt-getting* |
| 22:21.20 | wewlad | hey debs, when will apache 2.4.11 be released for the stable repo? |
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| 22:21.55 | markybob | wewlad, no |
| 22:22.02 | wewlad | no what? :D |
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| 22:22.34 | [exa] | adding "no" to the set of known timestamps :D |
| 22:22.35 | markybob | wewlad, odds are it won't ever be released to jessie |
| 22:22.43 | wewlad | why? |
| 22:22.59 | wewlad | I can't use SSLSessionTickets directive because it requires >=2.4.11 |
| 22:23.07 | markybob | wewlad, because stable will only get security patches and that can be done without a bump to a new version |
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| 22:23.45 | wewlad | so the code freeze has started and debian gets ready for a major update to 9.0? |
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| 22:23.53 | markybob | wewlad, there may be some grave bug that's found that requires it...aside from that, no. |
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| 22:24.40 | TomTomTo2 | wewlad, freeze is something that happens to testing. jessie had its freeze some time ago :P |
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| 22:25.52 | wewlad | I know, but the dev branches are usually developed simultaneously, so when the testing gets frozen - it means that the stable branch will get a version bump |
| 22:26.38 | markybob | wewlad, stable will get a version bump when stretch becomes stable unless something big happens. |
| 22:26.57 | wewlad | any time prognosis? |
| 22:27.17 | markybob | wewlad, year and a half maybe? two? |
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| 22:27.22 | wewlad | ooh |
| 22:27.28 | wewlad | I thought like a month or two :D |
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| 22:27.49 | markybob | wewlad, not even close. freezing hasn't even begun |
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| 22:28.51 | ProfessorKaos64 | can I specify 2 keyrings with ""--debootstrapopts --keyring=KEY1 --keyring=KEY2" with pbuilder? |
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| 22:48.10 | nick[0] | hi. How to I get the folowing to work using ACLs: I need to use a default ACL to a user access to all files in a shared directory. The trouble I'm having with the ACLs I'm currently using is that even regular files end up appearing executable |
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| 22:49.06 | nick[0] | without changing the umask. :-/ And so it is automatically inherited by newly created files |
| 22:49.21 | Walakea | if i can run a 5-line C program that wastes all operating memory (makes PC unusable) without any need of root permissions, is it considered a security hole? |
| 22:50.12 | Walakea | i was supposed to get an answer for how much memory will OS give me |
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| 22:52.36 | nick[0] | Walakea: by default, the kernel doesn't hold onto memory. When an application uses up all available memory, including swap, the kernel should kill it. (OOM killer) |
| 22:53.15 | nick[0] | Walakea: to harden your system you'll want to look into some kind of containers, virualisation, or cgroup policy |
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| 23:01.31 | at0m | you could just "cat /dev/null > /dev/shm/fillfile". without root, you can fill the memory, but "waste all OS memory"? what do you mean with that? |
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| 23:03.45 | at0m | err */dev/zero |
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| 23:33.53 | yates | what is the proper way to clear and restart /var/log/kern.log? it is getting too big. |
| 23:34.01 | yates | is it as simple as deleting the file? |
| 23:34.31 | cluelessperson | Anyone know how to reset a USB DISK to show the correct disk capacity after having used dd to write directly to it? |
| 23:34.50 | yates | i tried that a few days ago and thought it messed up the logging somehow, i.e., it wouldn't recreate a new kern.log file |
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| 23:35.31 | petn-randall | yates: Why is it running full? logrotate should be taking care of that. |
| 23:35.35 | yates | cluelessperson: you can use fdisk -l /dev/sdXYZ to find the partitions? |
| 23:35.52 | petn-randall | yates: You can delete it, but you have to restart your syslog, otherwise it will still write to the open file descriptor. |
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| 23:36.15 | cluelessperson | yates, It contains no partitions |
| 23:36.19 | yates | petn-randall: if i reboot, that should re-open the file |
| 23:36.27 | yates | right? |
| 23:36.42 | cluelessperson | yates, fdisk -l /dev/sdb shows a disk with only 400 MB |
| 23:36.46 | cluelessperson | how do I fix this? |
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| 23:37.48 | yates | cluelessperson: you mean it shows only one partition with 400 MB? |
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| 23:38.37 | petn-randall | yates: Yes. You can do that once. But you should also fix the actual reason it's running full. |
| 23:38.54 | cluelessperson | yates, NO. It contains no partitions. the disk itself is showing unallocated 400MB |
| 23:38.58 | cluelessperson | it's a 16GB drive |
| 23:39.39 | yates | petn-randall: it's an embedded system and i'm running something that generates lots of log messages, so a) i'm getting more data in the log than normal, and b) the system has limited space (about an extra GB) |
| 23:40.02 | yates | isn't the rotation schedule based on time? (i.e., once/week?) |
| 23:40.32 | yates | cluelessperson: so back up - whatdo you want to do at the higher level? format the disk and store some files? |
| 23:41.31 | yates | how do you "restart your syslog"? and note i was referring to kern.log, not syslog |
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| 23:42.15 | calisto | hi all, I try to install debian from netinstall usb, te problem are missing drivers I download the file http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/jessie/current/firmware.tar.gz extract into aonther formated fat and the install cant read the extra drivers rtl8168e-3.fw and bcm43xx-0-fw from the second another usd drive (the light on and off) I read the doc https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en but dont work c |
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| 23:45.30 | cluelessperson | yates, What part of IT CONTAINS NO PARTITIONS do you not understand. Creating a 400MB partition and formatting it will not correct the DISK to 16 GB |
| 23:45.36 | cluelessperson | holy hell |
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| 23:46.17 | yates | cluelessperson: how about you find someone else to help you. |
| 23:46.24 | yates | on ignore |
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| 23:47.30 | blind | cluelessperson: tried dd'ing back over it from /dev/zero ? |
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| 23:48.59 | cluelessperson | yates, learn to read |
| 23:49.05 | blind | cluelessperson: also.. wait, was it GPT? |
| 23:49.13 | blind | fdisk doesn't read GPT layout, try gdisk -l |
| 23:49.16 | cluelessperson | blind, What does that do? and I'm not entirely sure. |
| 23:49.21 | cluelessperson | blind, ah, Ill try |
| 23:49.34 | blind | though still weird it would say 400mb.. |
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| 23:49.45 | calisto | hi all, I try to install debian from netinstall usb, te problem are missing drivers I download the file http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/jessie/current/firmware.tar.gz extract into aonther formated fat and the install cant read the extra drivers rtl8168e-3.fw and bcm43xx-0-fw from the second another usd drive (the light on and off) I read the doc https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en but dont work c |
| 23:49.46 | cluelessperson | blind, it has an MBR, disk is 400MB |
| 23:49.48 | markybob | cluelessperson, apparently neither can you. he put you on ignore so whatever insults you throw his way he won't see |
| 23:50.06 | markybob | cluelessperson, nor does it make others want to help you when they see you insulting those who've tried |
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| 23:51.45 | cluelessperson | markybob, 1. Yes, I saw that. I reacted to that information. 2. I didn't insult him. I acted annoyed that he's ignoring the plain english I repeatedly wrote. At a certain point he's just wasting my time (even if he's trying to help) |
| 23:52.13 | cluelessperson | blind, I'm not sure how disk information is set low level. I think this is below the partition table |
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| 23:54.25 | dvs | calisto: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 23:55.19 | calisto | dvs, ok download and try this |
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| 23:59.13 | andrej | running icinga w/ postgres backend. How do I make sure that after an upgrade to postgres ido2db (part of icinga) gets restarted? Atm I get an icinga notification about it going down and manually restart it. |
| 23:59.18 | andrej | Would it be sensible to edit postgres init script to include ido2db on restart? |