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| 00:04.17 | calisto | ok dvs its works thanks!! |
| 00:04.41 | dvs | np |
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| 00:06.15 | bittin | Hello anyone know how long regular Debian 7. is supported we still run a couple of Debian 7 boxes at work? |
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| 00:06.48 | markybob | bittin, https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
| 00:07.10 | markybob | bittin, so you'll have LTS support 'til may 2018. regular ends in april 2016 |
| 00:07.47 | bittin | markybob: alright then i know thanks :) |
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| 00:08.20 | bittin | will tell my coworker tommorow when he comes to the office we GNU/Linux admins where discussing this on Friday |
| 00:08.24 | bittin | thank you |
| 00:08.29 | bittin | off to bed cyas around |
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| 00:08.49 | markybob | none of the linux admins could look that up? that's sad :/ |
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| 00:10.21 | bittin | oh well i am off to bed now, have to get a couple of hours sleep before having to go work in 7 hours |
| 00:10.25 | bittin | night |
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| 00:12.42 | TomTomTo2 | markybob, how many linux admins does it take to change a light bulb? |
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| 00:12.59 | yates | TomTomTo2: how many? |
| 00:13.12 | markybob | TomTomTo2, i'm 5'4"...so i guess two of me? |
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| 00:13.41 | yates | none, it's a hardware problem? |
| 00:14.18 | TomTomTo2 | yates, two apparently. |
| 00:14.38 | yates | one to hold the bulb and another to turn the room? |
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| 00:17.03 | TomTomTo2 | regrets to have started this :S |
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| 00:17.43 | OerHeks | 0 as it is a hardwareissue :-D |
| 00:18.52 | tgreena | I am having trouble getting my wifi device to appear, debian 7, the wifi device is model no Archer T9E, it says it needs the broadcom43xx driver, I tried the firmware-b43-installer but the device is not showing up at all |
| 00:19.06 | achilles11 | did you modprobe? |
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| 00:19.17 | markybob | tgreena, is this a clean install? |
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| 00:19.41 | tgreena | ish |
| 00:20.03 | markybob | tgreena, then you should start over with the firmware installer. does everything for you. finds it and you do nothing. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 00:20.41 | tgreena | markybob okay awesome lol let me give that a try, thanks |
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| 00:29.14 | nate_M | I have a problem getting kdump to load, I have the crashkernel=128M in my grub args, but the kdump service still says no memory is reserved |
| 00:29.21 | tgreena | markybob i am having trouble finding the firmware for the device |
| 00:29.47 | markybob | tgreena, you don't need it with that installer |
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| 00:30.16 | tgreena | markybob oh wait then I wouldnt be able to keep my install? |
| 00:30.18 | markybob | tgreena, you did burn it/flash it and then start the install over, right? it's a different installer. not just firmware files |
| 00:30.38 | tgreena | I am actually on Open Media Vault |
| 00:30.44 | markybob | tgreena, that's why i asked about the clean state. it's an entire debian installer with the firmware files built in |
| 00:31.18 | tgreena | aah shoot |
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| 01:12.22 | picoleau | hi salut |
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| 01:49.19 | cluelessperson | Question, is there a way to have a show an application without a desktop manager or environment? |
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| 01:50.51 | k_sze[work] | Where does the user cron log get written to? |
| 01:50.58 | k_sze[work] | (by default, of course) |
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| 01:51.46 | g1111 | Pq tem toda essa gente no canal se ninguém fala nada? |
| 01:53.17 | markybob | !pt |
| 01:53.17 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 01:53.23 | markybob | g1111, it's for support only. not chatting. |
| 01:53.47 | g1111 | valeu marky |
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| 01:54.22 | imrekt | cluelessperson, you could run the application from the cli with X |
| 01:54.50 | markybob | k_sze[work], man crontab will help. anyway here's the answer http://askubuntu.com/questions/216692/where-is-the-user-crontab-stored |
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| 01:55.01 | imrekt | if you don't have X installed you can install it with sudo apt-get install xorg |
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| 01:55.33 | aarcane | How do I properly reorder the initscripts in systemd? I'm having some minor issues with the ordering on a complex system. |
| 01:55.38 | datasmurf | cluelessperson: just put the application you want t run in your .xinitrc/.xsession and nuthinh else |
| 01:56.10 | yates | is there a way for a process running as root to emit messages into the kernel log (/var/log/kern.log)? |
| 01:56.14 | yates | i saw echo msg > /dev/kmsg, but that seems only to output to dmesg and not /var/log/kern.log |
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| 01:56.33 | yates | aarcane: do you mean your own? |
| 01:56.56 | yates | use before= and after=, though, in your .service file |
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| 01:58.54 | aarcane | yates, where are the systemd .service files? I mean some pre-installed services, as well as some of my own. THe ordering is intricate, for example, I need to bring up openvswitch before networking, which is the exact opposite of some other systems, and the default. |
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| 01:59.46 | yates | there is an option to find where, but i think usually /lib/systemd/system/*.service |
| 02:00.14 | Hydroxide | aarcane: most are under /lib/systemd/system with various symlinks under /etc/systemd/system, but you shouldn't need to edit the existing files. you can use systemctl edit to override just the bits you need |
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| 02:00.34 | Hydroxide | aarcane: e.g. the bits controlling ordering. |
| 02:01.08 | aarcane | Is there a good GUI editor for systemd ordering? |
| 02:01.11 | Hydroxide | of course you'll need to add complete files for the new files you're adding. |
| 02:01.23 | yates | aarcane: yes, emacs. :) |
| 02:01.31 | Hydroxide | not that I know of, but maybe someone else is aware of one. you can just specify the dependencies you care about and let it handle the rest |
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| 02:02.04 | Hydroxide | aka the configuration equivalent of what you told us here, plus any other details you left out but care about. |
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| 02:02.54 | aarcane | Is there a good guide somewhere with the systax for the systemd .service files and the systemctl commands? |
| 02:03.17 | yates | aarcane: have you heard of man? |
| 02:03.25 | yates | man systemctl |
| 02:03.32 | Hydroxide | aarcane: they're actuallly very well documented. e.g. man systemd.service and man systemctl. in a different channel I was able to help someone using RHEL based solely on the documentation without ever having tried the thing before |
| 02:04.03 | hiexpo | READING DOES WONDERS |
| 02:04.06 | Hydroxide | yates: I don't know if you intended "have you heard of man?" to be insulting, but in general try to assume good faith / give the benefit of the doubt and don't insult people here. thanks for your help though! |
| 02:04.06 | aarcane | I was hoping more for like a cookbook or cheatsheet style, that I can keep open in my browser while I poke around in the CLI in the other window... but totally helpful, yates |
| 02:04.10 | hiexpo | oops sorry caps |
| 02:04.54 | yates | aarcane: if you use emacs, you can run "M-x man <ret> systemctl" |
| 02:04.56 | Hydroxide | aarcane: you can also view man pages in the browser at manpages.debian.net among other places. (they're not pulled from your system, but they do have man pages corresponding to jessie) |
| 02:04.58 | yates | Hydroxide: shut up. |
| 02:05.34 | Hydroxide | yates: last warning. you're welcome to help here and that's very appreciated, but you're not welcome to insult people here. |
| 02:05.39 | yates | aarcane: that will open the man page in emacs itself while you work in another window. |
| 02:06.47 | yates | Yes, Officer Hydroxide! |
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| 02:09.10 | aarcane | okay, so searching the man file for "edit" in systemctl returns nothing. Seriously, a "howto" page would be nice to get started. Systemd is new and strange compared to the old sysvinit, which just worked for me. |
| 02:09.44 | Hydroxide | aarcane: it's new and strange, agreed. the old sysvinit just worked for people who were used to it and were okay with the limited featureset; otherwise people picked one of several workarounds. |
| 02:10.02 | nevyn | aarcane: there's a set of explanatory posts on 0pointer.net |
| 02:10.36 | aarcane | Hydroxide, yes.. Boot times wasn't a priority for me. As long as everything came up in the right order, I wouldn't have huge 5 minute delays, like I do with systemd right now. |
| 02:10.41 | Hydroxide | aarcane: oh, hrm, it's possible I'm getting confused about which version of systemctl added the 'edit' command - that's my mistake. |
| 02:10.59 | Hydroxide | aarcane: debian stable doesn't have the edit subcommand yet. |
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| 02:11.30 | aarcane | Hydroxide, okay, thank you. I felt bad for asking after you just told me, and not finding it. |
| 02:12.31 | aarcane | alright, I think I found the 0pointer page, and I'll look through those, and the man pages. I'll be back in a bit if I get stuck. |
| 02:13.02 | Hydroxide | aarcane: sounds good. good luck! also, https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-March/009496.html is where they announced the introduction of the 'drop-in snippets' feature which 'systemctl edit' was later added to make easier |
| 02:13.15 | Hydroxide | aarcane: but debian stable does have the drop-in snippets feature I think, simply not the edit command |
| 02:14.42 | Hydroxide | aarcane: systemd.service and systemd.unit man pages are very useful. it's a confusing new world in somee ways but it makes certain tasks far easier than they were in the sysvinit world. really! :) (especially keeping processes running after they crash, and maintaining local site-specific deviations from the distro defaults.) |
| 02:15.56 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: Do you happen to know how to make a systemd target that's just like an existing target but with/without a few tiny bits? Without having to "boot though" the copied target? |
| 02:17.34 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: you use the drop-in snippet feature I mentioned - see that lists.freedesktop.org link. it lets you tell systemd that you want to reset lists of settings from the existing target, for example (see second bullet), and certainly add new settings (see first bullet) |
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| 02:18.06 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: it just changes the behavior of the built-in target without having to edit distro-installed files. |
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| 02:18.28 | Hydroxide | I'm going elsewhere now though, I have some offline chores to do. good luck! |
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| 02:19.11 | dvs | Hydroxide: There's no such place as "offline" ;-) |
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| 02:19.48 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: I believe I'm using that, but it does not reallys solve my problem. Perhaps I can describe in detail another time. |
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| 02:22.50 | aarcane | wait.. systemd --version says 215, so unless some moroff patched it out yes it does have drop-in snippets.. that said, I noticed in the features list... +PAM +AUDIT +SELINUX +IMA +SYSVINIT +LIBCRYPTSETUP +GCRYPT +ACL +XZ -SECCOMP -APPARMOR Emphasis on +SELINUX. Does that mean Debian8 has first-class selinux support finally? |
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| 02:26.53 | k_sze[work] | markybob: I'm asking about the log, not the crontab. :) |
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| 02:41.45 | lankanmon | guys, my raspbian os looses track of its hosts upon reboot |
| 02:41.45 | lankanmon | I must run sudo sh -c 'echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" >> /etc/resolv.conf' on reboot to reconnect it |
| 02:41.45 | lankanmon | Is there a solution for a permenet fix? |
| 02:42.14 | dvs | !raspbian |
| 02:42.14 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 02:45.50 | cluelessperson | Installing xorg seems to add 100+ MB to my base system, how can I minimize this? |
| 02:45.58 | cluelessperson | is considering trying out tinycorelinux later |
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| 02:49.05 | nkuttler | cluelessperson: try debfoster |
| 02:49.51 | nkuttler | cluelessperson: meta packages are just that, a convenient way to install things so that they will work for almost everybody |
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| 02:51.18 | markybob | cluelessperson, basically install xserver-xorg-core and then whatever you need. but you're going to probably have a hard time |
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| 02:53.02 | cluelessperson | nkuttler, markybob interesting |
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| 02:53.17 | efc | Is there a howto or other rough guide for creating a Debian port? |
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| 02:55.37 | nkuttler | efc: are you looking for a practical guide or a policy? |
| 02:55.54 | cluelessperson | nkuttler, debfoster will clean up meta packages? |
| 02:56.06 | nkuttler | cluelessperson: no, it will clean up whatever you tell it to |
| 02:56.13 | markybob | efc, i'm hoping this is all you mean and not a full blown thing https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 02:56.20 | markybob | goes for smoke |
| 02:56.40 | efc | nkuttler: A guide.. |
| 02:56.54 | nkuttler | efc: so, you have an unsupported architecture? |
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| 02:58.10 | cluelessperson | nkuttler, I'm basically doing automated builds. I'm installing the base debian system ~300MB ? now I'm about to try xserver-xorg-core |
| 02:58.15 | efc | Yes. sparc32, older x86s. I was interested in seeing what the scope of work was. |
| 02:58.55 | nkuttler | efc: try https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBootstrap |
| 02:58.56 | efc | So, they mostly don't need kernel ports. |
| 02:59.06 | nevyn | /wi/win 14 |
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| 03:00.11 | efc | Thanks, that looks very helpful. |
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| 03:13.04 | zanshin | I'm trying to get Debian 8 working on a 13" Retina MacBookPro - mostly following these directirons: https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/linux-on-mac/. I've installed the firmware-linux-nonfree & broadcom-sta-dkms packages, but I can't get wireless to function. I know it's a 14e4:4311 broadcom card, supported by the b43 driver, but I can't get it working. Any hints or suggestions are welcome. |
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| 03:41.11 | tachibana | debian keeps forgetting i went into settings and chose HDMI as my sound |
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| 03:52.34 | cluelessperson | Question, what order do I need to install xorg, lightdm, and openbox ? |
| 03:52.38 | cluelessperson | that order? ^ |
| 03:52.49 | pwdwd | u played me u son ass nigg where tf 's u @ ???\ |
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| 03:53.26 | markybob | cluelessperson, doesn't matter. apt-get will take care of depends |
| 03:53.53 | cluelessperson | markybob, I'm issues with x not starting at boot |
| 03:54.16 | cluelessperson | markybob, the autologin works, but lightdm doesn't seem to start at boot. I have to login to console and do "startx" |
| 03:54.34 | LambdaComplex | cluelessperson: is lightdm enabled? |
| 03:57.42 | markybob | cluelessperson, basically he means check /etc/X11/default-display-manager for starters |
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| 03:58.20 | markybob | cluelessperson, then check ls -l --> sleonard (~sleonard@adsl-184-36-83-105.asm.bellsouth.net) has joined #debian |
| 03:58.24 | markybob | shit |
| 03:58.32 | markybob | cluelessperson, ls -l /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service |
| 03:59.53 | markybob | cluelessperson, also check https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#LightDM_doesn.27t_appear |
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| 04:07.44 | markybob | cluelessperson, will you pastebin the results of the first two things i told you to do? |
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| 04:09.06 | cluelessperson | markybob, ls -l gives me - |
| 04:09.19 | cluelessperson | -> /lib/systemd/system/lightdm.service |
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| 04:09.40 | markybob | cluelessperson, that ls command should give you ls -l /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Dec 1 17:47 /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service -> /lib/systemd/system/lightdm.service |
| 04:09.45 | cluelessperson | ->echo test |
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| 04:09.58 | markybob | cluelessperson, so fix that. and the first? |
| 04:09.58 | cluelessperson | >echo test |
| 04:10.06 | markybob | stop this echo |
| 04:10.15 | cluelessperson | markybob, Yes, that matches the command there. |
| 04:10.46 | cluelessperson | markybob, and default-display-manager is /usr/sbin/lightdm |
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| 04:10.59 | markybob | cluelessperson, okay. tried the third delay? |
| 04:11.10 | cluelessperson | markybob, sorry, third delay? |
| 04:11.33 | markybob | cluelessperson, yeah. the wiki i sent you to talked about a delay and told you why you might need it |
| 04:12.42 | beepie | cluelessperson, you're still working on a live-image system -- i believe this channel is for helping out working stations on ordinary setups |
| 04:12.53 | markybob | beepie, he is?? fuck me |
| 04:12.59 | markybob | i had no idea |
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| 04:13.04 | beepie | he was asking last night |
| 04:13.06 | cluelessperson | markybob, My understanding is that xorg is the window server/manager that handles general display. Lightdm is what should start at boot for login, that inits openbox (the desktop environment?) |
| 04:13.06 | markybob | cluelessperson, jesus man |
| 04:13.11 | markybob | cluelessperson, c'mon. |
| 04:13.23 | beepie | that's what he's asking on all these workarounds -- told him to apt-cache search live|grep debian or build |
| 04:13.28 | beepie | yep |
| 04:13.33 | markybob | cluelessperson, you're talking to me about a live system? |
| 04:13.35 | markybob | arg |
| 04:13.37 | beepie | cluelessperson, there are more dedicated channels for this |
| 04:13.38 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.45 | cluelessperson | beepie, What workarounds? |
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| 04:13.53 | markybob | beepie, thanks |
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| 04:14.00 | cluelessperson | wtf are you talking about. |
| 04:14.16 | beepie | cluelessperson, there are toolkits i even told you which ones you can look into for helping you build them |
| 04:14.32 | beepie | cluelessperson, live-build is one such.. work with something more simple before going onto graphics |
| 04:14.56 | cluelessperson | beepie, the live building already works. What I'm asking about is explicitly the interaction between several applications that run on debian and how to configure them. |
| 04:15.08 | beepie | cluelessperson, you're lying |
| 04:15.14 | beepie | cluelessperson, lightdm works right out of the box. |
| 04:15.31 | beepie | cluelessperson, you're trying to set it up for your live system -- you were asking the same thing last night or the night before |
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| 04:15.45 | beepie | cluelessperson, no need to sucker people in wasting their time... |
| 04:15.51 | cluelessperson | beepie, What are you even talking about |
| 04:16.11 | cluelessperson | beepie, You say lightdm works out of the box, and it's not right now, hence my asking. |
| 04:16.30 | beepie | cluelessperson, you're not honest to the very least.. i was suspicious as to why lightdm was so problematic.. reason is you're not working on an issue at all |
| 04:16.43 | cluelessperson | When I do "startx" it all works fine, just not at boot |
| 04:16.55 | cluelessperson | beepie, What the fuck are you even saying, "you're not honest to the very least" |
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| 04:17.33 | beepie | yeah i remember all that startx talk -- you then pointed out to a live-system iso you were working on. same story.. you don't have an actual issue |
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| 04:19.56 | cluelessperson | beepie, My questions here have been: A. How to minimize a debian install's footprint? B. How exactly does a display manager versus window manager versus desktop environment work. C. I installed xorg, lightdm, and openbox, but lightdm doesn't seem to start at boot as it should? |
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| 04:20.12 | cluelessperson | beepie, how am I not being honest? Or are you just trolling or mentally deranged. I'm sincerely confused. |
| 04:20.37 | beepie | cluelessperson, i'm ignoring you. You are lying. |
| 04:20.43 | cluelessperson | about WHAT |
| 04:20.43 | cluelessperson | wtf |
| 04:20.48 | beepie | cluelessperson, exactly you're saying the same things you did the night before |
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| 04:21.22 | beepie | cluelessperson, you're on your own development for building your live-system. |
| 04:21.34 | beepie | digresses from non-issues. :) |
| 04:21.39 | beepie | errp |
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| 04:22.04 | cluelessperson | beepie, How in reality, does that constitute a lie on my part? |
| 04:22.15 | beepie | really. startx in a boot-up script. there's a dam lightdm for that. Startx for your live-system, really get help on that elsewhere, don't sucker people's time in here for this. it's unrealted |
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| 04:22.39 | cluelessperson | beepie, I DID install lightdm, which I've explained multiple times. |
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| 04:23.02 | cluelessperson | it doesn't start on boot, and I can't see where i'm supposed to configure it to do so |
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| 04:24.50 | markybob | +1 beepie |
| 04:26.10 | cluelessperson | markybob, ? |
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| 04:30.58 | mjkr | is mips/mipsel n32/o32/n64? |
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| 04:32.27 | themill | mjkr: http://wiki.debian.org/ArchitectureSpecificsMemo |
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| 04:50.02 | cluelessperson | What does the debian package "live-boot" do exactly? |
| 04:51.20 | A0D | I believe it's just a collection of boot scripts for live booting from a disc or usb but I could be wrong |
| 04:52.15 | cluelessperson | Here's what I'm doing at the moment. http://hastebin.com/onotapuwoq.hs |
| 04:52.27 | cluelessperson | A0D, Ah, that makes sense. I tried to google it but it wasn't as clear. :) |
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| 04:54.02 | cluelessperson | So far, this build comes out to about 647 MB in size |
| 04:54.08 | cluelessperson | does anyone know how I can reduce it? |
| 04:54.39 | cluelessperson | I'm installing. debian base + xorg,lightdm,openbox + python-minimal,python-qt4 + electrum |
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| 04:55.25 | themill | cluelessperson: you're going to get much better help with live stuff in #debian-live on oftc |
| 04:56.15 | themill | cluelessperson: a good portion of that size is a kernel capable of dealing with any known hardware and xorg drivers for all manner of display and input devices -- if you cut them down you make a bit difference. |
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| 05:10.57 | cluelessperson | themill, Ah, then I think I'd go in there. :) |
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| 05:11.19 | cluelessperson | themill, Excellent, I'll do more searching in that area. :) |
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| 06:23.06 | damo2222 | how do i get linux-image-rt ? its not showing up in main non-free or contrib |
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| 06:27.10 | themill | damo2222: rt kernels only exist for some kernels; there are no currently supported kernels for which rt patches exist |
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| 06:27.47 | damo2222 | aw man that sucks |
| 06:28.02 | beepie | !rt |
| 06:28.02 | dpkg | The PREEMPT_RT (linux-rt) realtime patch set allows for nearly all of the Linux kernel to be preempted, which may help achieve better low-latency behavior in some environments. Since August 2011, the Debian Kernel Team produce binary packages including this patch set, for the amd64 (linux-image-rt-amd64 metapackage) and i386 (linux-image-rt-686-pae metapackage) architectures. http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/ |
| 06:28.17 | beepie | don't think i see any here on amd64 |
| 06:28.30 | beepie | but i do see i had once tried a 3.12 rt kernel.. |
| 06:28.37 | damo2222 | it used to be available |
| 06:28.42 | damo2222 | on jessie |
| 06:28.44 | beepie | maybe back when i was messing around with audio things |
| 06:28.58 | damo2222 | why did they pull it |
| 06:29.07 | damo2222 | 3.16-rt was ok |
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| 06:29.43 | damo2222 | never mind, i will find a deb somewher |
| 06:30.58 | beepie | damo2222, maybe you can contact the author of package rtirq-init, and ask why there's a lack of interest in having rt-kernels |
| 06:31.06 | beepie | damo2222, i still see this package here |
| 06:31.23 | damo2222 | ok |
| 06:31.26 | damo2222 | thx |
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| 07:14.03 | bittin | sent the other Debian admin here an email :) |
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| 07:19.41 | slax0r | hello, is it posible to have php5 along side with php7 installed on the same box with deb 8? |
| 07:22.26 | themill | slax0r: php7 isn't in debian 8 at all |
| 07:22.53 | slax0r | themill: can't I install it from dotdeb or compile it on my own? |
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| 07:23.34 | themill | you can compile your own in which case you're in charge of working out how to make the coinstallable in some way. I wouldn't touch dotdeb packages with a barge pole |
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| 07:27.05 | slax0r | themill: well, I just need it installed...somewhere on the machine, it can also be only for this one user, and make an alias for it for that user, so that php will execute php7 and not 5 |
| 07:27.12 | kris | salut |
| 07:27.17 | slax0r | I'll prbably just compile, and install to that users home dir or something |
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| 07:27.59 | kris | i'm search help of linux debian Fr ( i'm write very bad english ;) |
| 07:28.10 | kris | i'm novice |
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| 07:43.25 | DugDig | rajasekhar: http://askubuntu.com/questions/474549/got-nodata-issue-nodata-does-the-network-require-authentication |
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| 07:45.20 | slax0r | well, since debian made a dumb move and removed configure options from output of phpinfo(), is there another way to find out how they built the php packages? |
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| 07:48.51 | babilen | slax0r: Look at the source package! |
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| 07:49.48 | slax0r | babilen: yeah, right... any other nice features that debian removes, where it will require me to spend a whole day to decypher a build process? |
| 07:50.07 | babilen | I'm sure we can think of some |
| 07:50.14 | slax0r | I'm sure you can |
| 07:50.48 | babilen | But I'm also sure that it would be a bad way to spend our time. My recommendation still stands and I would be surprised if it does take you a day to do that. |
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| 07:51.29 | babilen | slax0r: Also, feel free to use a RH or Suse based distribution if you are happier with their choices. |
| 07:51.45 | slax0r | babilen: to tell the truth, I'd rather migrate back to slack.. |
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| 07:51.54 | babilen | fair enough, all the best! |
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| 07:53.46 | babilen | is still surprised that rather than asking how to find the information easily slax0r insinuates that Debian is horrible and that it would take a day to do so ... |
| 07:54.11 | slax0r | where did I say it's horrible? |
| 07:54.56 | themill | (there's no useful information in the configuration line anyway which is why it is removed) |
| 07:55.15 | slax0r | I just don't agree with their decission to remove a perfectly safe, and non-confusing output that is clearly documented in that 3rd party software documentation |
| 07:55.25 | slax0r | themill: just...lol |
| 07:55.35 | themill | except it's not non-confusing and that's why it is hidden |
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| 07:56.08 | slax0r | why in the world would a configure cli command options be confusing? |
| 07:56.31 | themill | Cue the stream of bug reports "waaa booo this extension isn't enabled I hate your dog" when all the user needed to do was actually install the relevant package |
| 07:57.12 | babilen | Okay, but you are aware that this is a support channel, aren't you? We can discuss the decision or help you to find the information you are looking for. We *might* even help you file bug reports and whatnot .. what this channel is not for is discussing how bad or otherwise suboptimal Debian is because certain maintainers made certain decisions |
| 07:57.13 | themill | So all that config line does is lie to you about the extensions that are available |
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| 07:58.29 | babilen | I wonder what slax0r wants to actually find out |
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| 08:00.26 | slax0r | themill: it also tells you how it was built, in one simple command that works everywherel, except debian and debian based distros it seems |
| 08:00.46 | slax0r | but anyway, why I want it? because I want to re-compile PHP, with exact same options as debian has built it |
| 08:00.48 | themill | for some value of "how" that is irrelevant |
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| 08:01.28 | darxmurf | I have a weird issue with ssh -X |
| 08:01.30 | darxmurf | http://paste.debian.net/388288/ |
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| 08:01.41 | themill | slax0r: so look in the source package, *that* is how it is built, not what the particular SAPI thinks it was built with (the SAPI will get it wrong) |
| 08:01.53 | darxmurf | I can't run this software from my machine (debian testing with nvidia drivers from repository) |
| 08:02.14 | darxmurf | but my colleague with his old debian and Nvidia drivers 349.x from website can |
| 08:02.17 | slax0r | themill: ok... *where* in the source package? |
| 08:02.27 | darxmurf | it works from some machines but not from others |
| 08:02.33 | babilen | slax0r: Why didn't you ask this when I suggested to look at the source package earlier? |
| 08:02.35 | darxmurf | and I can't find why. |
| 08:02.54 | themill | slax0r: debian/rules |
| 08:03.23 | babilen | slax0r: Run "apt-get source $PKG", "debcheckout $PKG" or use dget on the link to the respective .dsc on https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/php5 |
| 08:03.45 | slax0r | babilen: because I knew the answer is going to be just what themill said ;) |
| 08:03.59 | slax0r | yes, I found that file |
| 08:04.02 | babilen | slax0r: I fail to see how my answer is the same |
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| 08:04.23 | themill | so why waste our time with questions that you already know the answers to? |
| 08:04.32 | babilen | slax0r: So you didn't ask a question because you assumed that you will get an answer that you already know? |
| 08:04.42 | slax0r | babilen: my response was written before your line about apt-get source... |
| 08:04.50 | babilen | nvm, have a good day |
| 08:04.54 | slax0r | this is pointless.. |
| 08:04.58 | babilen | indeed |
| 08:05.01 | themill | slax0r: btw php5 and 7 are supposed to be coinstallable in sid. |
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| 08:05.22 | themill | (or at least, work was done to make that the case, no idea if is finished0 |
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| 08:32.22 | svetlana | what is that 'thing' that debian starts when it boots which should read the /etc/network/interfaces file and bring the network up? it doesn't bring the network up for me, saying network is unreachable; but then i ifdown and ifup manually and it starts working |
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| 08:34.16 | apollo13 | svetlana: what does service networking restart say? |
| 08:34.27 | apollo13 | svetlana: usually there is only network manager running aside from that |
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| 08:35.16 | tachibana | i dragged a file somewhere weird in the file browser |
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| 08:35.42 | vegai | hey |
| 08:35.45 | tachibana | and it somehow mounted the icon picture in the center of screen and it doesnt go away no matter what because it floats over ANY window |
| 08:35.48 | tachibana | how do i remove this |
| 08:36.15 | vegai | doesn't xsessions in Debian work in such a way, that e.g. gpg-agent should be run at startup for me when I do startx? |
| 08:36.27 | vegai | via /ehc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent |
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| 08:38.15 | svetlana | apollo13: that one kills off my network again; see http://paste.debian.net/plain/388374 |
| 08:38.46 | svetlana | tachibana: can you double-click or right-click? |
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| 08:39.21 | k_sze[work] | It seems that autofs hangs if it tries to mount a NFS share that happens to be offline? |
| 08:39.28 | k_sze[work] | (by default anyway) |
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| 08:40.11 | tachibana | svetlana, no. and it persists through logouts |
| 08:40.15 | tachibana | is this bad? |
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| 08:40.32 | svetlana | tachibana: would you mind uploading a screenshot somewhere, like www.imgur.com, for example? |
| 08:40.47 | tachibana | smh |
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| 08:41.19 | tachibana | the icon floats in the near center, but the text is missing |
| 08:41.29 | tachibana | so it's just a square icon |
| 08:41.35 | tachibana | probably for notepad |
| 08:42.00 | tachibana | but it persists over full screen videos and everything lol |
| 08:42.32 | tachibana | a bug white annoying icon blaring over all my loli vids |
| 08:42.33 | k_sze[work] | Is there an option that I can set in auto.master so that autofs gives up after some time? |
| 08:42.34 | tachibana | big* |
| 08:42.39 | svetlana | it probably is a process ( setting your desktop to not save session and logging out could help ) |
| 08:42.46 | svetlana | oh |
| 08:43.04 | vegai | well, now that I looked at gnupg-agent in bugs.debian.org, I see it has several issues open |
| 08:43.11 | vegai | so I suppose many of these issues are known already |
| 08:43.44 | apollo13 | svetlana: mhm, I have no experience with wlan in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:45.12 | svetlana | apollo13: where else can i put my wifi ssid and password, then? |
| 08:45.42 | svetlana | http://paste.debian.net/plain/388374 for everyone here please - wlan0 doesn't get activated when restarting networking service, have to ifup it manually |
| 08:45.52 | apollo13 | svetlana: I am pretty sure you can set it there, but I always every used network manager for wlan |
| 08:46.05 | apollo13 | svetlana: showing your interfaces file might help too |
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| 08:47.23 | svetlana | http://paste.debian.net/plain/388377 is my interfaces file with some small fancy modifications to not share info about my network password |
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| 08:50.22 | svetlana | i replaced 'allow-hotplug' with 'auto' and it worked actually; thanks for your suggestions |
| 08:50.37 | k_sze[work] | What does the --timeout option in auto.master really mean? I've heard that makes autofs unmount the mount point if it's idle for a certain amount of time, is that true? |
| 08:52.46 | apollo13 | svetlana: ah yes :D |
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| 09:16.19 | newbsduser | hello, guys I cannot change system's date time. I tried to use hwclock --set --date="..." or date -s ... but after for a while it goes back again... it is not vm. prolliant DL580.. how can i solve it? |
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| 09:16.56 | newbsduser | ntpd is stopped |
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| 09:18.06 | msn | start ntpd? |
| 09:18.13 | msn | and dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 09:18.47 | newbsduser | msn: i tried to set it with ntpd but it doesnt work too, it goes back 10 minutes... so i tried to stop ntpd, ntpdate |
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| 09:18.59 | newbsduser | it doesnt save time... i tried ntpdate -u too |
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| 09:19.08 | msn | just start ntpd |
| 09:19.11 | msn | and set tzdata |
| 09:19.18 | msn | it will recovery automatically |
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| 09:21.08 | Anticom | Hi all. I'm currently looking at what different package managers offer and how they compare to each other. I've seen that rpm supports signing packages. I've also seen that there's dpkg-sig. However I don't get, whether there's a way to build a linux that refuses any packages not signed by X |
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| 09:21.54 | Anticom | The problem I'm having is that there's dpkg --no-debsig |
| 09:22.04 | Anticom | Is there any way to disable that when building dpkg? |
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| 09:32.19 | marisn | I'm running Debian 8 in Virtualbox. How to set terminal size to be larger than 80x25? |
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| 09:35.05 | Anticom | marisn: in the terminal window click edit --> profiles --> edit --> check "use user defined size for terminal as default" and set your values |
| 09:35.21 | Anticom | hope the translation is somewhat correct. I've got a german installation here :) |
| 09:35.40 | zln | or you could just ssh to your vm with putty or something :-) |
| 09:35.50 | marisn | Anticom: hmm. I do not see any "edit" as I'm in a tty |
| 09:35.58 | Anticom | oh |
| 09:36.09 | marisn | zln: I was hoping for some more inteligent solution :/ |
| 09:36.33 | Anticom | so how are you connecting to your vm? is it a headless instance? |
| 09:37.08 | marisn | it is running in a Virtualbox window |
| 09:37.14 | marisn | no X, no ssh. |
| 09:37.43 | Anticom | marisn: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 09:38.05 | zln | marisn: edit your grub.conf |
| 09:38.43 | zln | on kernel /vmlinuz line, add vga=791 then restart. you'll get 1024x768 screen resolution |
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| 09:40.27 | zln | http://pierre.baudu.in/other/grub.vga.modes.html |
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| 09:43.59 | marisn | zln: that is what I was looking for! |
| 09:44.01 | marisn | Thanks! |
| 09:44.09 | marisn | Anticom: thank you too :) |
| 09:44.09 | zln | u r welcome :-) |
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| 09:45.28 | Anticom | same :D |
| 09:45.38 | Anticom | So anyone on my question? :> |
| 09:46.11 | Anticom | dpkg --no-debsig flag can be disabled when building dpkg, can't it? |
| 09:46.13 | dpkg | Anticom: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 09:50.35 | Mathisen | hello, is there any disk recovery tools that have GUI ? |
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| 09:55.48 | bazhang | ,v gddrescue |
| 09:55.49 | judd | Package: gddrescue on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.11-1; wheezy: 1.16-1; jessie: 1.19-1; stretch: 1.19-2+b1; sid: 1.19-2+b1 |
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| 09:56.05 | bazhang | Mathisen, ^ |
| 09:57.48 | Mathisen | bazhang, thx |
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| 09:58.08 | bazhang | np |
| 09:58.52 | bazhang | https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/809671-get-your-data-back-with-linux-based-data-recovery-tools Mathisen from here |
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| 10:05.14 | diegoseso | Hi everybody, I have a debian 8 virtualbox inside a MacOsX El general with a shared folder, I succesfully applied correct user and group on etc/fstab but the default permission how can be changed ? |
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| 10:06.31 | bazhang | diegoseso, oermissions on what |
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| 10:07.59 | darxmurf | I have a quick question with a home debian repo |
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| 10:08.06 | zln | El General, that's the one after El Capitan? :p |
| 10:08.19 | darxmurf | I have my classic main contrib non-free configured on my machines it's working fine |
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| 10:08.47 | darxmurf | when I add jessie-backports main contrib non free in the source.list it does not list versions when I do like |
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| 10:09.01 | darxmurf | apt-cache policy nvidia-driver |
| 10:09.37 | darxmurf | but if I add the ftp.ch.debian.org line for the jessie-backports, it shows it |
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| 10:12.14 | darxmurf | and by the way now my apt-get update returns |
| 10:12.34 | darxmurf | W: Failed to fetch http://xxxxxxxx/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
| 10:12.55 | darxmurf | this message disapear when I remove the Release file in my repo |
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| 10:17.33 | zln | darxmurf: maybe you could try apt-get clean. rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* apt-get clean apt-get update ? |
| 10:17.34 | Iridos | darxmurf, I guess providing the actual full lines from sources.list and the actual output from apt-cache policy in e.g. paste.debian.net would be useful. also... you didn't actually ask a question. |
| 10:17.58 | zln | to get rid of hash sum mismatch |
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| 10:18.09 | zln | with your new line |
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| 10:19.14 | Iridos | also... xxxxxxxx and "in my repo"? so the question before was also about your own custom repos? |
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| 10:21.30 | vegai | I haven't made Debian bug reports in a *long* while |
| 10:21.43 | vegai | and I have one against electrum |
| 10:21.53 | vegai | reportbug says that there's a newer version available |
| 10:21.59 | vegai | I suppose that's because I'm on stable? |
| 10:22.05 | vegai | I should still report that bug, right? |
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| 10:24.03 | Iridos | vegai even if it won't be fixed in stable for some reason, it will be useful to anyone who has the same bug... specially if there's a workaroun |
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| 10:25.54 | Iridos | and there are the sub-releases to stable... just not sure what determines if some bugfix is backported to the version in stable or not... probably the time and willingness of the maintainer |
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| 10:29.42 | darxmurf | Iridos: I have an apt-mirror running on a small server |
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| 10:30.59 | darxmurf | then on all my clients I have this source.list http://paste.debian.net/388555/ |
| 10:31.51 | Resilience | hello to everyone, when I hibernate my computer it hibernates (I think) but when resuming I get a journal error from the filesystem and it cannot be resumed, what's going wrong? where can I start to see what is happening? |
| 10:32.37 | darxmurf | and the result of the apt-cache policy |
| 10:32.39 | darxmurf | http://paste.debian.net/388556/ |
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| 10:34.49 | svetlana | apollo13: :) |
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| 10:41.23 | Iridos | judd, versions nvidia-driver |
| 10:41.24 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-1; sid/non-free: 352.79-2; experimental/non-free: 355.11-1 |
| 10:41.37 | Iridos | judd, versions nvidia-driver --arch=i386 |
| 10:41.38 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on i386 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-1; sid/non-free: 352.79-2; experimental/non-free: 355.11-1 |
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| 10:44.09 | darxmurf | I can get the 352 version if I change my source.list with the ftp.ch.debian.org address |
| 10:44.24 | darxmurf | but wait I'm checking my httpd config on my local repo |
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| 10:44.42 | hiexpo | i really messed something up with my sources now i can not edit them every time i restore it like original it comes back to what it was big oops |
| 10:44.56 | Iridos | I guess your repo doesn't properly have it in some way |
| 10:44.58 | hiexpo | need help |
| 10:45.28 | Iridos | but what's stumping me... I don't see how apt-cache policy gets the info |
| 10:45.40 | hiexpo | i try to clean it and it restores itself |
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| 10:45.48 | Iridos | oh, maybe some suid stuff in between that the trace doesn't show |
| 10:47.06 | Iridos | hiexpo, what did you change |
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| 10:48.47 | darxmurf | well, everything looks ok on my httpd |
| 10:49.34 | hiexpo | i was trying to install multisystem and is was an sh script so i think it install something ubuntu i oopsed bad i know better now under details to log into sources it has ubuntu |
| 10:49.46 | hiexpo | under details |
| 10:51.37 | Iridos | darxmurf, I guess the best way to debug this would be to to watch the traffic between your own repo and the official debian repo... to do that you could either configure a proxy or pretend yourself to be the repo, e.g. with nc -l -p 80 (depending on the netcat used, the command may look different) ... |
| 10:51.44 | Iridos | and then see where the differences occur |
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| 10:52.11 | jaggzt | in gdb, I'm getting "no such file or directory" on my source.c file.. I added the source dir with "dir /path/to/source", since I'm executing the binary from an outside folder.. it still can't find it.. |
| 10:52.28 | jaggzt | I can't seem to strace gdb to see what it's looking for... not sure what to do here |
| 10:52.28 | Iridos | darxmurf, hmm, actually... have you checked in your local files if the bpo version is there? |
| 10:52.29 | hiexpo | and under updates section down at the bottom it says notify me when ubuntu new version |
| 10:53.04 | jaggzt | oh wait.. the file is not accessible.. weird.. I just checked its perms.. |
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| 10:54.50 | jusss | hi there, what's the default network manager in debian jessie? I mean *-CD-1.img |
| 10:55.01 | hiexpo | and when i edit /etc/apt/sources.list it restores itself |
| 10:55.51 | Iridos | darxmurf, I guess... grep Package:.nvidia-driver /var/lib/apt/lists/*ackport* |
| 10:55.53 | jusss | finally, I compile 4.4.1 for debian, and now I have compiled my wireless card driver, but I find I can't find wpa_supplicant or nm stuff |
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| 10:56.56 | Iridos | darxmurf, if it's not in there for amd64, i386 and i118n, you should check on the Packages files on your repo server |
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| 10:57.42 | Iridos | hiexpo, nothing in stock debian changes sources.list - actually, no configuration file in /etc is changed by any package without your explicit consent |
| 10:58.36 | hiexpo | i must of did something cause it restores back to old bad file |
| 10:59.21 | Iridos | or you cannot save the file because the filesystem is ro (or whatever) |
| 10:59.31 | hiexpo | yup |
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| 10:59.46 | Iridos | and we're now supposed to guess what weird things you did? :) |
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| 11:04.57 | hiexpo | no |
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| 11:06.54 | jusss | why I can't find wlan0 via ifconfig? |
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| 11:07.02 | jusss | ifconfig just show lo |
| 11:07.05 | jusss | and nothing |
| 11:07.10 | jusss | no wlan0 |
| 11:08.16 | jubo2 | jusss: try iwconfig |
| 11:08.17 | jubo2 | iirc |
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| 11:09.32 | jusss | jubo2: no command found 'iwconfig' |
| 11:09.53 | jubo2 | hmm.. maybe 'sudo apt install iwconfig' then |
| 11:10.01 | jubo2 | hold on. I check |
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| 11:10.14 | ledufakademy | hello |
| 11:10.14 | jusss | iirc iw don't support wpa2 |
| 11:10.43 | ledufakademy | does anybody know a good backup tool with diffrential backup ? (with web gui ?) |
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| 11:13.09 | jubo2 | jusss: ja is right command 'iwconfig' |
| 11:13.29 | msn | ledixus: bacula-web |
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| 11:17.24 | RoyK | hi all. trying to enable the watchdog on a raspberry pi2 here, I get this http://paste.debian.net/388577/ |
| 11:17.28 | RoyK | it works if I systemctl start wd_keepalive, but it'd be rather nice if it started automatically as well :P |
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| 11:22.33 | jusss | jubo2: I don't understand, if ifconfig don't show wlan0 and iwconfig will? |
| 11:23.03 | jusss | ifconfig just show lo, no others, it's weird |
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| 11:23.49 | behrad | Hi. Im using this preseed.cfg http://pastebin.com/eHDHRtfU . and add to iso file. Result ISO failed in upgrade stage. it add security repository and failt to fetch packages. How can disable security and update repositry in D-I? |
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| 11:25.23 | behrad | I ctrl+f session i can see syslog file: Warning**: configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 100 |
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| 11:25.41 | behrad | *In ctrl+f2 |
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| 11:25.57 | jim87 | Hello! I've got a problem. I need to connect two monitors on two different video cards. "lspci|grep -i vga" shows me both the video cards, but the Settings -> Monitors menu shows me only the 1st one... any idea? I'm on Debian Jessie |
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| 11:27.13 | darxmurf | Iridos: I have : |
| 11:27.14 | darxmurf | /var/lib/apt/lists/myserver.local_debian_dists_jessie-backports_non-free_i18n_Translation-en:Package: nvidia-driver |
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| 11:31.38 | darxmurf | hmmm the Release file is different between ftp.ch.debian.org and ftp.debian.org |
| 11:32.09 | darxmurf | ah no sorry my fault |
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| 11:33.06 | chrisc | i just updated and rebooted a server running stretch/sid and now eth0 doesn't have a ipv4 ip address |
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| 11:33.18 | jim87 | back |
| 11:33.34 | chrisc | and i'm at a loss why this is or how to fix it |
| 11:33.54 | SynrG | chrisc: see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support |
| 11:34.02 | chrisc | SynrG: thanks |
| 11:34.05 | jim87 | news: I've reconfigured Xorg via Xorg -configure... Now the monitor is powered on, though I see nothing in it. Settings -> Monitors still show one monitor |
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| 11:35.04 | jim87 | Uhm... must be a GNOME3 problem, as X11 now lets the mouse go in the next monitor (but not GNOME3) |
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| 11:43.58 | jusss | when install debian and it doesn't recognize my wireless card, how I should do? |
| 11:44.38 | darxmurf | Iridos: apparently my apt-mirror is not downloading the debian-backport files Oo |
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| 11:45.10 | darxmurf | I added ftp.debian.org in my conf file and it downloaded the missing files Oo |
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| 11:53.24 | at0m | dpkg: tell jusss about wireless |
| 11:54.09 | jusss | at0m: it's realtek rtl8723bs and debian's iso don't contain it |
| 11:55.16 | jusss | at0m: and I can compile it after I installed debian, but I compiled it and insert kernel module into kernel, `ifconfig` still show nothing except lo, no wlan0 |
| 11:55.20 | msn | apt-get install firmware-realtek (with non-free) |
| 11:55.24 | at0m | jusss: the firmware for that is in firmware-realtek, probably you need to add non-free to your sources.list and apt update |
| 11:55.50 | at0m | then install like msn said |
| 11:56.11 | jusss | at0m: and that will recognize it? |
| 11:56.12 | apollo13 | jusss: ifconfig is deprecated since years and also doesn not show interfaces which are down by default, check dmesg after insmod |
| 11:56.32 | jusss | apollo13: so now debian use ss? |
| 11:56.48 | apollo13 | ip rather |
| 11:57.20 | at0m | jusss: yes, that rtl uses proprietary binary firmware that is not free so putting it on the debian .iso would make the whole CD non-free. |
| 11:57.30 | at0m | hence non-free repo's |
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| 11:58.37 | jusss | ok, I will try it one last time |
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| 11:59.19 | Iridos | darxmurf, ^^ |
| 11:59.27 | Iridos | O_O |
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| 12:01.00 | jusss | at0m: this is https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realtek ? |
| 12:01.08 | apollo13 | I am using debian.anexia.at as mirror nowadays, they are really fast |
| 12:01.44 | apollo13 | and reliable |
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| 12:01.57 | jusss | I don't see 8723bs in it, and it is ok? |
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| 12:03.02 | at0m | jusss: add 'non-free' to where /etc/apt/sources.list says 'main free [contrib]' then apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 12:03.19 | Iridos | hm, I wonder... can one edit a session cookie in iceweasel to make the session not expire so fast |
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| 12:04.03 | phre4k | hey, I somehow messed up my sources.list, is there some way to dpkg-reconfigure it? |
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| 12:04.29 | apollo13 | at0m: the 8723bs firmware is not in there, no matter what you are trying to add (unless another firmware works for it) |
| 12:04.32 | sander85 | hi |
| 12:04.48 | sander85 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=789608 - i'm hitting this problem, has anyone here got it working? |
| 12:04.49 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/789608 in reprepro (open): «reprepro: no passphrase prompt»; severity: important; opened: 2015-06-22; last modified: 2016-01-13. |
| 12:05.04 | jusss | at0m: the laptop that I will install debian on have no ethernet interface, only wireless card, so I can't use network do that |
| 12:05.08 | Iridos | seems there is an add-on :-/ |
| 12:05.26 | themill | jusss: we spent ages on this yesterday -- coming back another day doesn't suddenly change the required solution. You could at least tell people what we've already out rather than having them start at zero again. |
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| 12:06.19 | at0m | :/ |
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| 12:11.39 | jusss | themill: I have already compiled new kernel for debian and rtl8723bs.ko, but ifconfig just show no wlan0, now people tell me to install firmware-realtek and I can't find 8723bs on that package, so here I ask |
| 12:12.12 | apollo13 | jusss: what does ifconfig -a say and what does dmesg in insmod say? |
| 12:12.53 | jusss | and sorry for I didn't say it have no ethernet card only have wireless card yesterday |
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| 12:14.44 | darxmurf | I'm getting crazy with this ssh -X and openGL stuffs Oo |
| 12:16.11 | darxmurf | I have this machine with 2xGeForce GTX 970 |
| 12:16.15 | darxmurf | debian stable |
| 12:16.24 | darxmurf | nvidia driver 361.28 |
| 12:16.58 | darxmurf | when my colleague who is running an old debian and old nvidia drivers, ssh -X on the machine and run glxinfo, he got a correct output |
| 12:17.10 | phre4k | btw, solved my issue. cp /usr/doc/apt/examples/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:17.42 | darxmurf | when I do the same from my machine, I have this error http://paste.debian.net/388761/ |
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| 12:17.47 | phre4k | */usr/share/doc/apt... |
| 12:18.12 | darxmurf | I tried the nvidia driver (from website), the driver from the debian repo and backports |
| 12:18.16 | darxmurf | it's always the same |
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| 12:30.43 | darxmurf | hmmm I found something |
| 12:31.05 | darxmurf | from my machine, running glewinfo returns : Running on a Software Rasterizer from Mesa Project |
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| 12:31.15 | darxmurf | from his machine : Running on a Quadro 600/PCIe/SSE2 from NVIDIA Corporation |
| 12:31.35 | darxmurf | is there an SSH option to force opengl stuff ?! |
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| 12:33.28 | Iridos | darxmurf, I think it's incompatible glx versions... I also think I've seen several things, but haven't really come up with a solution... using vnc works around it, of course |
| 12:34.20 | darxmurf | yes but nop ! :) |
| 12:34.23 | mthecreator | i have an issue with packages. if i want to insatll something via apt-get i get an error message. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). the listed package is udev |
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| 12:35.33 | darxmurf | I'll come back |
| 12:35.58 | babilen | mthecreator: Please paste the entire command and output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:36.18 | Iridos | mthecreator, that isn't the error, ah yes, babilen beat me to it |
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| 12:46.56 | darxmurf | hi again |
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| 13:00.03 | spleen | Hello, i'm trying to mount ftpes with curlftp with my fstab |
| 13:00.17 | spleen | it seems not work, |
| 13:00.28 | spleen | it hink cause the ftp certificate |
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| 13:00.38 | spleen | how could i solve the problem ? |
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| 13:01.34 | Iridos | what's an ftp certificate |
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| 13:02.20 | spleen | my fstab looks like : curlftpfs#login:mypassword@mydomain.tld/Disque%20dur /media/MOUNT fuse rw,user,allow_other,uid=1000,_netdev00 |
| 13:02.27 | jelle | debian jessie's lxc is known to not work with overlayfs (with a kernel from backports) ? |
| 13:02.40 | spleen | Iridos, ftpes in fact |
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| 13:04.24 | Iridos | amazing what you can do with a protocol from the early 70ies ... and what people seem to be willing to do |
| 13:04.33 | Iridos | although not many |
| 13:04.40 | tfisher | how do you set compiler flags in debian |
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| 13:07.08 | mthecreator | the input is apt-get install idle but i get the same output with any other package too! https://paste.debian.net/388871/ |
| 13:07.43 | tfisher | do you have to install from source like in freebsd |
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| 13:08.00 | themill | mthecreator: is this an upgrade from wheezy? |
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| 13:08.53 | mthecreator | no i use jessie, its installed from iso |
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| 13:09.45 | Iridos | spleen, can you mount the thing from the command-line without and fstab entry? |
| 13:09.47 | themill | mthecreator: is there some package that is not from debian installed there? |
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| 13:11.22 | mthecreator | yes there are some packages that are not from the debain repo e.g virtualbox newest version |
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| 13:11.53 | mthecreator | but i had the problem since yesterday as i try to install skype |
| 13:12.04 | spleen | Iridos, i have tried from the command line, it work with "-o ssl_control" option |
| 13:12.35 | spleen | how can i precise that in ftab with ftpcurl |
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| 13:14.56 | Iridos | spleen, call "mount" and looks what the mounted drive looks like in the output. that is pretty much what the fstab syntax should be |
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| 13:15.07 | Iridos | except for the "on" |
| 13:15.13 | Iridos | and "type" |
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| 13:16.48 | jim87 | may you please help me? I've configured Xorg to let it see the two monitors I have on two separated video cards (Intel integrated and a GeForce using Nouveau). The problem is that GNOME3 don't see the monitor on the nVidia card (though it's powered on and I see the X11 pointer when I move the mouse in it) |
| 13:17.16 | Iridos | that whole construct "curlftpfs#login:mypassword@mydomain.tld/Disque%20dur" looks very unusual. # is used for comments, why is username:password in the mount and not in the options, is %20 really translated into a space? questions over questions |
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| 13:21.15 | mthecreator | themill, any ideas? |
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| 13:23.28 | Iridos | spleen, out of interest... what place runs ftps? I think I've seen ftps in /etc/services occasionally... but never run across anything who actually ran it. |
| 13:23.38 | Iridos | dpkg, any ideas? |
| 13:23.38 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little WD-40, and a dozen sex-crazed hamsters. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 13:24.42 | Iridos | judd, versions udev |
| 13:24.43 | judd | Package: udev on amd64 -- squeeze: 164-3; wheezy: 175-7.2; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u3; stretch: 228-6; sid: 229-1 |
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| 13:28.36 | mthecreator | now i got it fixed. i have set exit 0 on 2. line in the udev.postinst, but dont no if that fixed it permanantly |
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| 13:29.36 | Iridos | mthecreator, that wasn't a good idea |
| 13:29.48 | corry | list |
| 13:30.06 | mthecreator | Iridos, why not? |
| 13:30.18 | Iridos | well... do you have any idea what that postinst script does? |
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| 13:30.59 | Iridos | the one that, you know... you just disabled? |
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| 13:31.07 | mthecreator | i think its the install script for the specific package |
| 13:31.29 | Iridos | it calls initramfs to re-make the boot sequence |
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| 13:31.33 | mthecreator | now i have removed the exit 0 from the postinst |
| 13:31.43 | Iridos | which is the thing that right now fails because you have some conflictts |
| 13:31.56 | Iridos | s/tt/t/ |
| 13:32.17 | mthecreator | okay some idea how can i fix that ? |
| 13:32.29 | Iridos | I mean... obviously it wasn't doing that with the error either... but I think it would be a good idea to fix it before your next reboot |
| 13:33.48 | Iridos | the main errors come from insserv ... |
| 13:33.56 | mthecreator | i have no idea how to fix that |
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| 13:35.43 | Iridos | well... figure out, what the problem is, then think about how to fix it :) |
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| 13:36.23 | Iridos | you could try to call "insserv -v" , maybe the verbose output has some more info |
| 13:37.08 | Iridos | actually... insserv: There is a loop between service rpcbind and networking if started |
| 13:37.18 | Iridos | this error seems to stand on its own anyway... |
| 13:38.10 | mthecreator | thats the output https://paste.debian.net/388963/ |
| 13:38.31 | Iridos | yeah, the samee |
| 13:38.33 | Iridos | same |
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| 13:38.38 | Iridos | what's it with my sticky keys today |
| 13:39.38 | mthecreator | sorry ? |
| 13:39.40 | Iridos | the only one of those that I don't have is nfs-common |
| 13:39.59 | mthecreator | so what do you prefer ? |
| 13:42.04 | Iridos | hmm... I just installed nfs-common... and I have no problem |
| 13:42.36 | Iridos | I suspect you have some package installed that isn't from debian and that creates the conflict of boot priorities |
| 13:43.19 | Iridos | unfortunately, insserv doesn't mention the init script connected to it |
| 13:43.32 | mthecreator | i have installed virtualbox from the website not from debian packages |
| 13:43.42 | mthecreator | okay i will try to install nfs-common |
| 13:43.58 | Iridos | mthecreator, you have nfs-common installed... it's in your error |
| 13:44.13 | Iridos | and virtualbox could do that... |
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| 13:44.39 | Iridos | there is virtualbox in debian, though... |
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| 13:44.48 | sh4rm4^bnc | is there a way to get a list of packages depending on libcnurses5 ? |
| 13:45.26 | mthecreator | yes i know but i need the newest version because of its features, anyway i will deinatll it and see what happen |
| 13:45.26 | Iridos | sh4rm4^bnc, apt-cache rdepends libcnurses5 |
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| 13:45.36 | mthecreator | thx for help |
| 13:46.01 | Iridos | mthecreator, you could try to just move the init script away, run inssesrv and see if the error disappears |
| 13:46.03 | sh4rm4^bnc | Iridos, could you do that for me | wc -l ? |
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| 13:46.15 | Iridos | sh4rm4^bnc, on my system it returns nothing |
| 13:46.22 | sh4rm4^bnc | why is that ? |
| 13:46.35 | Iridos | because jessie has no libcnurses5 package |
| 13:46.49 | sh4rm4^bnc | ah, and libncurses6 ? |
| 13:46.57 | sh4rm4^bnc | or whatever jessie uses |
| 13:47.09 | mthecreator | Iridos, wich init script you mean? that from virtualbox? |
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| 13:47.49 | zykotick9 | Iridos: warning! typo for ncurses above! |
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| 13:49.24 | sh4rm4^bnc | C nurses heh |
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| 13:50.40 | sh4rm4^bnc | could someone tell me the output of apt-cache rdepends libncurses5 | wc -l ? |
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| 13:50.56 | zykotick9 | 398 |
| 13:50.58 | sh4rm4^bnc | needing it for an analysis i'm doing, thanks |
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| 13:55.44 | danols | Hey Debian Team, HyperEstraier based search engine. is down: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi |
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| 13:57.25 | danols | Is there a way to compare my modified .conf files of Exim4 with current Debian release ? |
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| 13:58.51 | sh4rm4^bnc | wonders why there's no online apt-cache querying tool |
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| 13:59.22 | sh4rm4^bnc | there's debian codesearch, package search, but this functionality is missing |
| 14:00.52 | Iridos | zykotick9, ah yes |
| 14:00.58 | Iridos | sh4rm4^bnc, then it's 429 for me |
| 14:01.06 | markybob | danols, it's in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template ...do you have that? or i can pastebin it for you |
| 14:01.21 | Iridos | heh... well, depends on the repos you have |
| 14:01.24 | markybob | danols, http://paste.debian.net/388979/ |
| 14:01.37 | danols | markybob: yes I do, but my files are split I was just hopping to do a `diff` |
| 14:01.43 | sh4rm4^bnc | interesting |
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| 14:02.40 | sh4rm4^bnc | Iridos, would you mind pasting the output ? apt-cache rdepends libncurses5 | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
| 14:02.41 | Iridos | mthecreator, yes... something like mv /etc/init.d/virtualbox /root; insserv ; mv /root/virtualbox/ /etc/init.d/virtualbox |
| 14:03.35 | markybob | danols, all or just main? |
| 14:03.52 | zanshin | Has anyone here had any luck installing Debian 8 on a retina MacBook Pro? If so, can you point me toward a decent write up of the process? I'm stuck getting WiFi to work. |
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| 14:04.38 | danols | markybob: don't understand the questions, thinking about it doesn't Debian combine the files before running exim ? (checking) |
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| 14:08.43 | karlpinc | zanshin: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 14:08.52 | danols | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.59 | danols | markybob: thank you kind sir |
| 14:09.34 | pk64 | Hi, I'm trying to build a package with pbuilder, but I get wget unable to resolve address ftp.us.debian.org. Is there something I need in .pbuilderrc to allow wget to function? |
| 14:09.48 | pk64 | I can resolve all deps previous to this rules override |
| 14:10.08 | Iridos | sh4rm4^bnc, you might get your own debian in a virutal machine or so to play around, with it... because... apt-rdepends -r libncurses5 | grep Reverse.*: |sort -u | wc -l --> 6311 |
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| 14:11.02 | Iridos | sh4rm4^bnc, http://sprunge.us/Pgfb |
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| 14:14.09 | sh4rm4^bnc | nice, thanks a lot |
| 14:14.40 | karlpinc | pk64: Does wget function from the command line? How about "getent hosts ftp.us.debian.org"? |
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| 14:15.12 | danols | Damn, it's not easy as comments are stripped |
| 14:15.17 | pk64 | of course try this from pbuilder login? |
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| 14:15.51 | yed | Will a 390x run debian |
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| 14:17.03 | pk64 | karlpinc: i'll try that soon after I rebuild the tarball since I did add things to it, i'll try from a base tarball |
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| 14:18.08 | pk64 | karlpinc: wget does "work" it's just host resolution that fails from pdebuild |
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| 14:20.27 | Iridos | sh4rm4^bnc, mind that these are only direct dependencies. things that depend on things that depend on the lib may also depend on the lib but do not need the dependency |
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| 14:23.33 | sh4rm4^bnc | Iridos, none the less an impressive number |
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| 14:23.50 | sh4rm4^bnc | the total number of packages in debian was 16.000 iirc ? |
| 14:23.58 | sh4rm4^bnc | so it's more than 1/4 |
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| 14:25.19 | zanshin | karlpinc: Thanks. I've been through most of that. I'll wipe out my install and try again. Maybe one of the blind alleys I went down initially left reside behind that is causing my issues now. |
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| 14:26.36 | yed | Can a 6 core i7 run debian |
| 14:27.02 | jazz | why not ? |
| 14:27.09 | dvs | why not? |
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| 14:31.04 | alcedine | Why does debuild take so long compared to "normal" make? |
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| 14:31.50 | g00se | Finding it impossible to connect to wireless. Would you folks say this is a router fault or a NetworkManager one? http://sprunge.us/NXXi |
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| 14:37.21 | Zambezi | Filesystem on a USB-memory. A friend says ext4 is a bad option and recommended ext2. Which practically isn't good either for maildir and logfiles. Write performance is not important. Minimize the risk of data loss is. The USB-stick is backup of a backup. And I have the files compressed to seperate 7z too. |
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| 14:39.43 | rsturm | hi, i have an issue with the configuration of static routes on two network interfaces. the route configured on eth0 works, but the routes of eth1 are ignored by the system |
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| 14:44.36 | Iridos | sh4rm4^bnc, ~45K packages |
| 14:44.50 | Iridos | (for the repos that I have enabled) |
| 14:46.11 | Iridos | (which is pretty much main contrib non-free ) |
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| 14:49.10 | Iridos | sh4rm4^bnc, if it's about the impact of the library... "apt-rdepends -r libncurses5 | awk '/Reverse.*:/{print $3}' |sort -u | wc -l" gives ~5000 packages |
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| 14:50.19 | RoyK | erm... how can I completely disable ipv4? |
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| 14:50.40 | dagerik | RoyK: kernel parameter |
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| 14:51.45 | Iridos | sh4rm4^bnc, and I don't see how you you'd get to 1/4th with ca. 440 packages out of 16K (and as pointed out, it's really 44K with contrib and non-free) |
| 14:51.56 | yed | Is bash the default shell in Debian |
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| 14:52.32 | sh4rm4^bnc | 440 ? i though you just said 5000, Iridos ? |
| 14:52.51 | markybob | yed, mostly. for scripts it's dash |
| 14:53.10 | RoyK | dagerik: which one? |
| 14:53.21 | markybob | !tell yed about dash |
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| 14:53.40 | sh4rm4^bnc | if it's 5K out of 44K it would be > 10% which is still impressive |
| 14:54.16 | dagerik | RoyK: ipv6.disable=1 is a thing. i dunno how for ipv6 |
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| 14:56.01 | Iridos | sh4rm4^bnc, I gave you the command that that is the output of... as I said, you probably need to play around with it yourself |
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| 15:01.44 | ledufakademy | which is best for backup remote owncloud server (on lan) ? |
| 15:02.02 | ledufakademy | need a a web ui too |
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| 15:03.19 | jim | is there an offline package downloader? apt-offline? |
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| 15:03.58 | markybob | !tell jim about apt-zip |
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| 15:06.38 | Iridos | RoyK, you may have to recompile the kernel to completely get rid of it. depending on what you need, /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only couldbe useful... look at kernel docs in /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-3.16/Documentation/networking/ (but it only has a separate file for ipv6, not for ipv4) |
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| 15:07.13 | Dagger | I don't think you can disable v4 in Linux |
| 15:07.35 | Dagger | you can avoid configuring it though (but you might have fun if you remove 127.0.0.1) |
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| 15:08.05 | jim | about apt-zip, dpkg says "Just aptitude install apt-zip" the only issue is there's no net... |
| 15:08.30 | SynrG | so you bootstrap it by downloading the deb and sneakernet it over |
| 15:08.41 | Dagger | jim: you can download .debs from packages.debian.org and install them with `dpkg -i` |
| 15:08.54 | Dagger | you just need some way to get the deb onto the machine |
| 15:09.12 | markybob | jim, really? go to packages.debian.org/apt-zip on a computer that does and transfer it over via usb stick. |
| 15:09.41 | RoyK | Iridos: lemme try net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0 |
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| 15:09.43 | jim | Dagger, ok... what's its deps? |
| 15:09.48 | RoyK | = 1, that is |
| 15:10.00 | Dagger | packages.debian.org will list them |
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| 15:10.10 | jim | markybob, too ^^ |
| 15:10.23 | markybob | jim, apt-zip doesn't have any that's not base |
| 15:10.28 | markybob | jim, stop being dumb |
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| 15:14.21 | jim | ok, good enough... so just the one package to start with |
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| 15:16.58 | ko_lo | o/ |
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| 15:18.17 | RoyK | Iridos: I could set net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1, also during bootup, but it didn't help |
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| 15:52.11 | g00se1 | inding it impossible to connect to wireless. Would you folks say this is a router fault or a NetworkManager one? http://sprunge.us/NXXi |
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| 15:53.05 | grawity | try raw wpa_supplicant and find out |
| 15:53.18 | grawity | from the logs, not entirely sure |
| 15:53.39 | g00se1 | grawity: I've never done that but will try |
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| 15:54.18 | grawity | make sure to stop NM first though |
| 15:56.25 | g00se1 | Ah OK. I'm using eth0 wired at the mo. |
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| 16:11.54 | freeaks | hi there |
| 16:12.20 | dagerik | !welcome |
| 16:12.20 | dpkg | Thank you, dagerik. |
| 16:12.50 | freeaks | i'm having some trouble with rsyslog, i'm using wheezy, with rsyslog (version 5.8.11 from the official packages) |
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| 16:13.38 | freeaks | i'm trying to figure how to have rsyslog-client to log on disk (without throttling) when rsyslog-server ins't reachable |
| 16:13.52 | freeaks | here's my rsyslog.conf: |
| 16:14.04 | freeaks | http://paste.debian.net/388968/ |
| 16:14.10 | freeaks | (least the relevant part..) |
| 16:14.14 | freeaks | at |
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| 16:14.30 | freeaks | could someone see what i'm doing wrong ? |
| 16:15.10 | freeaks | the behavior i'm seeing is: when rsyslog-server isn't reachable, logs on rsyslog-client begin to get 'throttled' |
| 16:15.27 | freeaks | instead of just being logged on disk |
| 16:16.30 | freeaks | if there's any rsyslog wizard over here ? |
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| 16:27.35 | amdp | hi anybody knows how to setup DKIM? |
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| 16:40.21 | napnap | Hi all, I've a NIC which have this mac adress : 00:21:85:6d:a1:1b, when I connect it on a switch, on the switch side I see this mac : cc0c00-008000, what's the hell ? This is the second port of my Intel Corporation 80003ES2LAN Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) . The kernel in use is e1000e. The first port works well. Where can I search to understand the problem ? |
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| 16:53.29 | oyvindio | Is apt supposed to use $http_proxy to proxy https requests as well as http_requests? |
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| 17:03.07 | carandraug | hi! I'm using NIS for authentication of several users with their home directories served via NFS. The passwd file served sets the home directory but I would like to change it on some systems. Is this possible? I can easily mount their home directories in other places automatically but their home directory is still on whatever is being served by NIS |
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| 17:11.56 | ghobadimhd | hi , what is difference between sysstat sar and atsar ? |
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| 17:13.15 | nullbyte_ | i don't want grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg? to add Windows to exclude it |
| 17:13.16 | nullbyte_ | how? |
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| 17:18.47 | teraflops | nullbyte_: wat? you dont want windows in the grub menu? uninstall os-prober and rerun update-grub |
| 17:19.00 | nullbyte_ | or another OS |
| 17:19.12 | karlpinc | carandraug: /etc/nsswitch.conf might (possibly) be of help. |
| 17:19.17 | nullbyte_ | teraflops: i mean i want to hide an OS there in grub menu, booting |
| 17:19.33 | teraflops | hide? |
| 17:19.37 | nullbyte_ | yes |
| 17:19.46 | teraflops | uninstall os-prober |
| 17:19.50 | ghobadimhd | hi , what is difference between sysstat sar and atsar ? |
| 17:19.57 | nullbyte_ | i don't want update-grude to add some OS's to grub boot menu |
| 17:20.12 | nullbyte_ | teraflops: yes, but there i have and another OS's that i want to hide |
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| 17:24.54 | LambdaComplex | or just stop using grub-mkconfig and write your own grub.cfg |
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| 17:28.25 | beepie | LambdaComplex, you can set 40-custom rules in /etc/grub.d/ |
| 17:28.42 | beepie | LambdaComplex, btw it's actually 'update-grub' (rather than grub-mkconfig) |
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| 17:29.22 | beepie | nullbyte_, you can study ^ and see how to avoid the os-probe for ntfs related scans |
| 17:29.36 | beepie | ( /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ) |
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| 17:32.36 | beepie | nullbyte_, there's no /boot/grub/ in debian, you must be using another distro |
| 17:33.00 | beepie | nullbyte_, you should be asking on #distro as there could be differences on where the equivalent is for /etc/grub.d/ as it is here on debian |
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| 17:33.23 | beepie | nullbyte_, (there's no /boot/grub2/, but there is /boot/grub/ ) |
| 17:34.21 | jim | I have a /boot/grub, have for years n years... running debian the whole time |
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| 17:34.36 | carandraug | karlpinc: not really. That tells me from where to read passwd. What I want to transform that (I want to change the home directory section only) |
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| 17:38.16 | LambdaComplex | beepie: update-grub just does `grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg` |
| 17:38.20 | carandraug | I think that what I need to do is change how login sets $HOME after a succesful login. Reading through login.defs now but haven't found anything useful yet |
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| 17:40.22 | beepie | LambdaComplex, but there's no /boot/grub2/ |
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| 17:40.38 | Amun_Ra | assword - Simple and secure password management and retrieval system. |
| 17:40.40 | Amun_Ra | nice pkg name |
| 17:41.30 | beepie | LambdaComplex, him providing the wrong path tells me it is much easier to just apply "update-grub" |
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| 17:46.51 | karlpinc | carandraug: Might see if there's a pam option. |
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| 17:47.53 | beepie | Amun_Ra, don't need to stupify the word here, but you meant "password" |
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| 17:48.11 | Amun_Ra | ,v assword |
| 17:48.12 | judd | Package: assword on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8-1; stretch: 0.8-2.1; sid: 0.8-2.1 |
| 17:48.41 | Amun_Ra | beepie: nope :> |
| 17:48.44 | beepie | oh well that's dumb, dunno how that came on debian |
| 17:48.53 | beepie | here keepassx fills better |
| 17:48.58 | beepie | :/ |
| 17:49.14 | Amun_Ra | ;P |
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| 17:49.34 | pk64 | for pbuildderc, is "BUILDRESULT=" where the final .deb(s) are placed? |
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| 17:50.09 | pk64 | My build completes, but I don't see the deb in my build dir |
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| 17:54.00 | ecom | I'm on Debian 8.3. I replaced firefox with iceweasel and I'm unable to get onto my school's mail (outlook). I manually removed everything related to iceweasel and firefox (usr/bin, etc) and I also ran "sudo apt-get --purge firefox" and "sudo apt-get --purge iceweasel" and I reinstalled everything and I still cannot get onto my mail server. I was able to before I replaced firefox with iceweasel. |
| 17:54.48 | nkuttler | ecom: um, is that some kind of webmail, or..? |
| 17:55.04 | ecom | nkuttler: yeah |
| 17:55.22 | carandraug | ecom: what do you mean you are unable? What error do you get? |
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| 17:55.46 | ecom | carandraug: The page keeps showing that it's loading, but it never loads. |
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| 17:56.01 | nkuttler | ecom: do you have any addons installed, like noscript or such? |
| 17:56.12 | ecom | nkuttler: no, I just reinstalled everything. |
| 17:56.14 | karlpinc | ecom: Got cookies enabled? |
| 17:56.19 | ecom | karlpinc: yes |
| 17:56.28 | nkuttler | ecom: try again with chromium |
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| 17:56.29 | cra1g321 | maybe try a different browser to be sure |
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| 17:57.14 | ecom | cra1g321: I dualboot, and it works fine in Windows. |
| 17:57.24 | cra1g321 | i meant a different browser on debian |
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| 17:59.04 | okee | Just curious if any of the European schools offer a completely online venue for Linus System Administration? |
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| 18:00.13 | beepie | okee, nice typo |
| 18:00.18 | beepie | okee, ha |
| 18:00.20 | beepie | okee, again |
| 18:00.46 | okee | beepie> Watch it. My manual dexterity isn't perfekt. |
| 18:01.04 | beepie | okee, watch what? "Linus" ? |
| 18:01.10 | beepie | okee, pfff easy. |
| 18:01.31 | okee | beepie> Where are you located at? |
| 18:01.32 | beepie | eeeeazzzzyy! |
| 18:01.43 | beepie | okee, i'm located ~ |
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| 18:04.45 | ecom | cra1g321: I just installed chromium and it works in chromium, but I'd still like to fix it in firefox. |
| 18:05.09 | cra1g321 | why are you using firefox and not iceweasel? |
| 18:05.17 | ecom | cra1g321: I meant iceweasel. |
| 18:05.23 | beepie | cra1g321, who are you asking? |
| 18:05.24 | mtn | ecom: rename your .mozilla folder and then start iceweasel |
| 18:05.31 | beepie | cra1g321, i use both here :) |
| 18:06.25 | beepie | " I replaced firefox with iceweasel" |
| 18:06.27 | ecom | mtn: I did that, a new .mozilla appeared and I still cannot get onto my mail. I think there is still some hidden folder I was unable to delete that's causing this problem. |
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| 18:06.39 | beepie | cra1g321, he said he is using iceweasal |
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| 18:06.51 | mtn | ecom: right, .mozilla is the hidden folder in question |
| 18:07.07 | cra1g321 | beepie, read up more he was using both |
| 18:07.16 | ecom | mtn: I just renamed it and reran iceweasel and I still have my problem |
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| 18:07.55 | beepie | ecom, oh outlook |
| 18:08.23 | beepie | ecom, you might be able to use a "user-agent" switcher, and pretend firefox is "Iexplorer" or "Firefox on Windows" |
| 18:08.32 | beepie | ecom, it might not be liking the user-agent string |
| 18:08.40 | ecom | beepie: Oh, I did hear about that, let me try that. |
| 18:09.00 | beepie | gets the same idea when wanting to watch apple.com/events and has to use 'Safari' in user-agent string |
| 18:09.19 | beepie | ecom, there are add-ons for this |
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| 18:11.18 | ecom | beepie: I still have my problem |
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| 18:13.41 | beepie | ecom, http://www.useragentstring.com/ << can show the test of a different user-agent |
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| 18:14.32 | ecom | beepie: Yeah it shows a different user agent |
| 18:14.36 | beepie | ecom, this is a very remote issue, you'd have to contact your school about this -- if you are very stuck, the only way then is to use virtualbox, install XP or whatever windows and then use Internet Explorer within it |
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| 18:15.24 | ecom | beepie: I went to IT before and they don't support Debian. |
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| 18:18.08 | ecom | Is there some command that will delete every file with the phrase "mozilla" in it? I ran purge again and I ran "locate mozilla" and apt-get didn't remove all the files. |
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| 18:18.41 | LambdaComplex | ecom: well, you could use find |
| 18:18.51 | LambdaComplex | Though that seems a tad extreme |
| 18:18.56 | beepie | ecom, you'll have to keep playing around with the user-agent, if i were you i wouldn't bother much more with purging anything more with any linux system |
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| 18:19.11 | markybob | ecom, locate doesn't update in realtime |
| 18:19.27 | markybob | ecom, you have to run updatedb and probably manually remove ~/.mozilla |
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| 18:20.10 | ecom | markybob: I already tried manually removing ~/.mozilla. What's updatedb? |
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| 18:20.27 | markybob | ecom, it updates locate's database |
| 18:20.30 | beepie | ecom, locate is a database, it is cron-scheduled so it is not real-time |
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| 18:20.50 | LambdaComplex | was gonna say `man updatedb` |
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| 18:21.07 | markybob | ecom, note you should run it as root or sudo |
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| 18:22.44 | Iridos | ecom, what files are left |
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| 18:23.03 | ecom | Iridos: A lot of cache, certificates, etc. |
| 18:23.08 | markybob | Iridos, i imagine all of them since he's using locate without updating first |
| 18:23.13 | ecom | Iridos: I'm just going through one by one and removing them. |
| 18:23.13 | Iridos | ecom, also... you're aware that... |
| 18:23.21 | Iridos | markybob, that was to be my next sentence :) |
| 18:24.19 | Iridos | ecom, also... you're aware that... locate is using a database to find files, which is updated only daily? |
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| 18:24.50 | Iridos | and cache files would be in the $HOME of users... the package system *never* touches the home directories |
| 18:24.55 | markybob | Iridos, beepie and i told him :P |
| 18:25.08 | markybob | and i covered ~/.mozilla as well |
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| 18:25.31 | Iridos | markybob, ah yes. I keep forgetting to look through things only half a screen upwards for replies :-/ |
| 18:25.50 | Iridos | it's a habit to train oneself into, I guess |
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| 18:28.15 | beepie | always runs locate updates in order to fix Internet Microsoft products |
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| 18:28.33 | beepie | that's just me. |
| 18:28.37 | beepie | beeps |
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| 18:30.13 | ecom | I'm at a loss. I manually ran locate mozilla and deleted everything. Reinstalled and I still have my problem. |
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| 18:30.17 | Iridos | and that works? your neighborhood must be the happiest in the world |
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| 18:31.01 | beepie | ecom, "Redmond top man Satya Nadella: 'Microsoft LOVES Linux'" http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/20/microsoft_cloud_event/ |
| 18:31.09 | beepie | ecom, but.. except for Outlook |
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| 18:32.01 | cra1g321 | ecom, could maybe try a newer version of iceweasel from backports http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 18:33.12 | Iridos | ecom, the iceweasel version is the LTS (long-term support) version of firefox... it is therefore older. it might really be the version in some way |
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| 18:33.36 | Iridos | ecom, if you still suspect files in the user's home dir, you might try creating another user and log in as that user |
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| 18:34.22 | Iridos | judd, versions iceweasel |
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| 18:34.24 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie: 38.5.0esr-1~deb8u2; wheezy-security: 38.6.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.6.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 44.0-1; jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 44.0.2-1~bpo80+1; sid: 44.0.2-1; |
| 18:34.25 | judd | experimental: 45.0~b5-1 |
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| 18:35.11 | Iridos | duh. why is jessie between wheezy-proposed-updates: and wheezy-security: |
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| 18:35.38 | beepie | Iridos, cu |
| 18:35.40 | beepie | Iridos, cuz |
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| 18:35.51 | beepie | Iridos, wheezy is supported for longterm |
| 18:36.42 | Iridos | ah no, it's sorted according to version number... and the one in wheezy security is newer than the one in jessie. |
| 18:36.44 | Iridos | which is weird |
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| 18:38.28 | dontknow | i am iceweasel/firefox specialist. ask me |
| 18:38.36 | Iridos | bah, you dontknow |
| 18:38.40 | Iridos | :D |
| 18:39.00 | dontknow | this time i know :D |
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| 18:40.14 | beepie | dontknow, you don't know a bit from a half a nibble |
| 18:40.19 | Iridos | well, scroll up, ecoms original question is from ~1.5h ago |
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| 18:41.03 | d0uglas | yeah hi #debian.. so I managed to prepend on the same line a timestamp before a value ($something | ts '[%Y-%m-%d|%H:%M:%S]'), but how can I do the same, but substituting the timestamp for some echoed text? thanks |
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| 18:41.53 | d0uglas | like nashville 92911 instead of nashville [2012-29-etc..] |
| 18:42.14 | Iridos | what's $something |
| 18:42.16 | dontknow | iceweasel 24 is the last version that good |
| 18:42.18 | d0uglas | do I need something to strip the line break? |
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| 18:42.47 | d0uglas | iridos: in that case it was part of a long l ine including /root/bctmp/497 |tail -1|html2text|head -1 | ts '[%Y-%m-%d|%H:%M:%S]' |
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| 18:43.18 | d0uglas | but i just want to label a value |
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| 18:43.45 | StaticLink | Hello how do I statically link in Debian? Here is my stack overflow post: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35402141/how-do-you-statically-link-sdl2-to-your-project-in-codeblocks-13-12-on-raspbian |
| 18:43.47 | d0uglas | i was using my ts thing as an example to try to explain what I'm after |
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| 18:45.17 | d0uglas | rephrased, I want to insert text ahead of the output of a command, and on the same line |
| 18:45.32 | d0uglas | s/ahead/behind |
| 18:45.38 | d0uglas | in front of. |
| 18:45.40 | Iridos | I am still not sure how many lines you have |
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| 18:46.07 | Iridos | for only one line, you can do something like echo $(command) $(command2) $variable |
| 18:46.43 | Iridos | or even echo -n $(command); echo -n $(command2) or whatever |
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| 18:47.21 | Iridos | if it's multiple lines you could pipe it into a while loop or possibly into awk |
| 18:47.50 | markybob | d0uglas, you should also be going to #bash for help. #debian isn't meant for simple scripting help |
| 18:47.57 | Iridos | there's a 1000 ways to do this. how exactly you'd do it would depend on your own preferences and on the exact case |
| 18:48.16 | d0uglas | jackpot Iridos thank you -- markybob sorry , wrapping up |
| 18:48.42 | Hanumaan | just installed with standard iso of debian 8.3.0 and the eth0 is saying Cable Unplugged .. and the cable is already plugged and blinking .. could be drivers problem how to resolve this? |
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| 18:49.02 | Iridos | d0uglas, like... command | awk '{printf "woah, the 2nd colomn: %s\n",$2}' |
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| 18:49.32 | d0uglas | Nice. Very helpful, I appreciate it. |
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| 18:50.28 | Iridos | d0uglas, a bit more complex than that and I would probably use perl or python or so |
| 18:50.31 | ecom | Does Debian have something similar to system restore on Windows? |
| 18:50.48 | d0uglas | I know, I just needed that -n for something basic |
| 18:50.55 | markybob | ecom, no |
| 18:51.26 | Iridos | ecom, yes, your backups if you made any |
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| 18:52.16 | markybob | Iridos, that's not even close to the same :P but okay |
| 18:52.31 | Iridos | markybob, is, too, if you make a backup of the disk image! |
| 18:52.36 | Iridos | and keep an older version |
| 18:52.41 | Iridos | and... and... |
| 18:52.43 | Iridos | yeah, well. |
| 18:52.49 | beepie | ecom, ? |
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| 18:53.08 | beepie | ecom, no becaues the software is always being updated, so not much point other than backing up ~ |
| 18:53.14 | beepie | ecom, (~ == $HOME ) |
| 18:53.35 | dontknow | windows 7 system restore was life saver |
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| 18:53.51 | Iridos | ecom, the package itself is ok. if you still think it's something in the user's home directory, create an additional user and try as that user. if it's the version, take iceweasel from backports. |
| 18:53.52 | beepie | dontknow, #windows |
| 18:54.21 | ecom | Iridos: I got iceweasel from backports |
| 18:54.49 | dontknow | beepie, what? |
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| 18:55.10 | dontknow | stop being an asshole |
| 18:55.28 | beepie | dontknow, #windows is for Windows praisals. |
| 18:55.57 | dontknow | i don't praise windows. i actually hate it. i just stated a fact |
| 18:56.13 | Iridos | you can both take that to #debian-offtopic... and it's ##windows, btw. #windows just forwards :P |
| 18:56.26 | beepie | yep |
| 18:56.30 | beepie | ignores dontknow |
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| 18:56.43 | dontknow | i was banned from windows |
| 18:57.00 | dontknow | doesn't care |
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| 18:57.13 | StaticLink | Anyone here use Debian Linux? |
| 18:57.17 | markybob | beepie, did that a long time ago |
| 18:57.23 | beepie | markybob, :) |
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| 18:57.39 | dontknow | StaticLink, it is GNU/Linux |
| 18:58.52 | StaticLink | dontknow: Oh great, I'm having a little trouble trying to statically link SDL2. Here is my stack overflow post: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35402141/how-do-you-statically-link-sdl2-to-your-project-in-codeblocks-13-12-on-raspbian |
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| 18:58.56 | beepie | ecom, closest thing for doing a full backup -- there's "e2image" , this works better than 'dd' because you're only cloning the actual filesystem than orphaned data blocks |
| 18:59.05 | Iridos | dpkg, anyone use Debian Linux? |
| 18:59.05 | dpkg | No, no one uses Debian Linux, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:59.13 | Iridos | StaticLink, seems not |
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| 18:59.45 | TomTomTosch | yep, Debian GNU/Hurd ftw. |
| 18:59.53 | StaticLink | Iridos: lol |
| 19:00.08 | dontknow | StaticLink, i have no idea. i don^t know why you referred me |
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| 19:00.26 | nkuttler | !tell StaticLink about raspbian |
| 19:00.36 | Iridos | StaticLink, and... if that's raspbian, that's actually pretty much true and you should ask #raspbian :) |
| 19:00.37 | StaticLink | dontknow: I thought you knew linux. I guess you dontknow :p |
| 19:00.53 | jmcnaught | beepie: you can also use LVM snapshots to be able to revert changes after an upgrade |
| 19:00.58 | StaticLink | *debian |
| 19:01.02 | dontknow | StaticLink, i am iceweasel specialist |
| 19:01.23 | beepie | jmcnaught, + |
| 19:01.23 | StaticLink | dontknow: Nice |
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| 19:03.24 | dontknow | StaticLink, you probably doesn't get answer. these people only knows how to ping google :p |
| 19:03.46 | Iridos | hm, is there a good tool to make an encrypted backup to a remote linux machine? |
| 19:03.57 | beepie | jmcnaught, does it compare well with btrfs snapshots? |
| 19:04.09 | markybob | Iridos, just rsync to a remote encrypted partition. |
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| 19:04.50 | Iridos | hmm, remote is a public machine on which I'm not root, though |
| 19:05.11 | cra1g321 | Iridos, i use borg http://borgbackup.readthedocs.org/en/stable/ |
| 19:05.12 | jmcnaught | Iridos: checkout duplicity, or duply, or backupninja |
| 19:05.29 | Iridos | well, or another one where I am, but I don't really want to mount around a lot of stuff, I think |
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| 19:06.02 | dontknow | StaticLink, ask it in irc.oftc.net. you may get answer if you are lucky |
| 19:06.11 | Iridos | cra1g321, ah yes, I remember you saying so (a|some) week(s) ago |
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| 19:06.20 | beepie | jmcnaught, i use duplicity, it's great |
| 19:06.34 | Iridos | StaticLink, no, ask in #raspbian if you're not running debian |
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| 19:07.27 | Iridos | I am tempted to just copy the whole encrypted disk over... that would give me something to copy on a new drive and boot in case of failure |
| 19:07.35 | Iridos | but would make restoring a single file ... |
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| 19:08.19 | Iridos | borgbackup and duplicity both look interesting |
| 19:08.32 | Iridos | dammit, choice! the natural foe of decisions |
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| 19:09.14 | beepie | Iridos, restoring that would be easy, just losetup it, then luks map it, and then finally mount it |
| 19:09.26 | Iridos | which one |
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| 19:10.00 | beepie | Iridos, say you have an image of a luks container, (dont 'dd' it when the container is "opened"), you use the losetup command to then have /dev/loop0 ,.. |
| 19:10.17 | beepie | Iridos, you can later mount the filesystem after luks-mapping loop0 |
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| 19:10.34 | Iridos | I'd say that's what happens on each boot here |
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| 19:10.59 | Iridos | what's the problem to copy it when it's open? |
| 19:10.59 | boom | hello friends which debian iso should i download ? |
| 19:11.01 | beepie | Iridos, on a new system, you can just use "cp -<><>" options or rsync from source to target, .. i would suggest to create a new container on any new system |
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| 19:11.15 | Iridos | boom, most likely amd64 netinstall |
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| 19:11.27 | beepie | Iridos, you use ' luks "close" ' |
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| 19:11.36 | beepie | Iridos, after you unmount any filesystem inside it |
| 19:11.39 | markybob | boom, is it a laptop with stupid firmware wifi? |
| 19:11.45 | boom | yea |
| 19:11.48 | Iridos | heh |
| 19:11.57 | markybob | boom, then use http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 19:12.06 | markybob | boom, that installer has firmware builtin |
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| 19:12.35 | boom | wifi will work out of the box with the non free iso and is network manager included in the dvd ? |
| 19:12.50 | markybob | boom, that's the idea. yes. |
| 19:13.00 | markybob | boom, that iso isn't dvd though. it's netinst |
| 19:13.01 | boom | thanks brother |
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| 19:13.11 | markybob | boom, so it has very little. no gui. you download it |
| 19:13.28 | boom | non free iso = no gui am i correct ? |
| 19:13.29 | StaticLink | dontknow and Iridos I asked on Raspbian. I am waiting for a reply :) |
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| 19:13.50 | boom | is there any non free live gnome 3 ? |
| 19:13.55 | markybob | boom, the installer asks you if you want gui and if you say yes it'll download it for you. just doesn't come with it |
| 19:14.20 | catbehemoth | noob question: if I delete an entry from /etc/group is it the same as delgroup groupname (considering the group is empty)? |
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| 19:14.27 | dontknow | boom, non free means it has non free firmware etc in it |
| 19:14.36 | boom | i am trying to avoid net install thats why i am coming from arch |
| 19:14.53 | Iridos | boom, the idea of the netinst is that you get a minimal system installed from cd... and then only the packages that are actually needed are downloaded |
| 19:15.05 | beepie | catbehemoth, you can delete memberships of users and complete groups, but deleting a group does not delete the users |
| 19:15.29 | markybob | boom, use one of these, then. assuming you dont have efi. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 19:15.30 | beepie | catbehemoth, (delgroup --help) |
| 19:15.37 | markybob | boom, live cds don't support efi |
| 19:15.56 | boom | i don't need efi |
| 19:16.02 | boom | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.12 | boom | what about this one |
| 19:16.12 | markybob | boom, yes |
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| 19:16.25 | boom | this will boot into gnome desktop |
| 19:16.32 | markybob | yes |
| 19:16.39 | catbehemoth | beepie: I have about 20 groups to delete, all are empty by now, I was wondering if I could simply remove them from /etc/group or do I need to run delgroup |
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| 19:16.47 | boom | although i have used arch am still newbie spare my knowledge |
| 19:16.52 | beepie | catbehemoth, easier to just use the command |
| 19:17.00 | catbehemoth | beepie: ok thanks |
| 19:17.06 | beepie | catbehemoth, using 'cat /etc/group' should then no longer show those groups you deleted |
| 19:17.24 | boom | debian wiki is bit confusing :P |
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| 19:18.02 | dontknow | wiki is out of date and confusing as you say |
| 19:18.37 | boom | i have to download codecs in non free iso or codecs are already installed ? |
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| 19:19.22 | Iridos | boom, the wiki's waiting for you to make it less confusing :) |
| 19:19.34 | Iridos | and less outdated |
| 19:19.41 | DammitJim | for USB drive backups of an ext4 filesystem |
| 19:19.50 | DammitJim | should I just use ext4 as well? |
| 19:19.54 | beepie | boom, the debian-live (non-free) is not an official release, but it helps for getting problematic chip drivers that need non-free firmware blobs -- and very often people ask for help on installing missing firwmare |
| 19:20.00 | DammitJim | it's just to have a backup of my pictures |
| 19:20.02 | dontknow | boom, if you install default desktops you will have codecs |
| 19:20.09 | boom | nice |
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| 19:21.02 | axc1298 | sometime when i run the flash player update, it won't download a newer version of flash even though it detects a newer upstream version. does anyone else get that ? |
| 19:21.23 | axc1298 | for flash security updates |
| 19:21.37 | ecom | beepie, I reinstalled firefox, and I can get into my email with firefox. I guess iceweasel is just trying to protect me from the evil that is microsoft. |
| 19:21.40 | beepie | axc1298, i think google is smart is forcing all ad-content providers to rid of flash. so i say don't worry about flash for too long |
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| 19:22.17 | boom | can you guys explain this aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-driver |
| 19:22.28 | axc1298 | beepie: that's good but in the meantime i do care about security |
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| 19:23.11 | beepie | ecom, you also get problems for non-MS sites to be honest here -- I carried facts to the front -- outlook can be problematic -- and sometimes user-agent strings can help -- though even on non-MS sites, you should just use the 'delete cache/Browsing' option somewhere (no matter the browser) |
| 19:23.23 | dontknow | axc1298, if you have flash it means you don't care security enough |
| 19:23.29 | markybob | boom, it gets the kernel version number and appends it to linux-headers- |
| 19:23.45 | markybob | boom, but...don't fool around with fglrx-driver unless the free version absolutely doesn't work |
| 19:23.45 | donofrio | and this I guess is the only way to get full active directory membership it seems - http://apaste.info/upload/fcf.jpg ;( oh well no more debian on my desktop's at work..... |
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| 19:23.56 | markybob | boom, it usually breaks things. try free first |
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| 19:24.05 | boom | gnome won't work with fglrx :( |
| 19:24.10 | axc1298 | dontknow: not true. i keep it updated with the latest security updates |
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| 19:24.17 | axc1298 | which are good enough for me as far as security |
| 19:24.36 | Harha_ | Hey. I'm installing debian as vmware virtual machine, should I go for a testing branch or stable branch? I'm aiming to do some c++ development on it. |
| 19:24.51 | boom | @markybob by typing this i will get the proprietary drivers ? |
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| 19:25.04 | markybob | Harha_, stable unless you have a good reason not to |
| 19:25.04 | Iridos | Harha_, do you enjoy finding and fixing bugs? |
| 19:25.07 | markybob | boom, yes |
| 19:25.20 | boom | thanks man wish me luck |
| 19:25.20 | beepie | Harha_, vmware player? here most people use virtualbox |
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| 19:25.33 | beepie | Harha_, (Vbox== opensource, vmware== closed source) |
| 19:26.08 | Harha_ | Iridos; I am not aiming to fix debian related bugs. :( beepie; I like vmware better, I've tried virtualbox. markybob; Okhay, I guess stable it is. |
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| 19:27.06 | beepie | Harha_, better maybe for you, but anything that is opensource is better |
| 19:28.00 | dontknow | beepie, virtualbox requires non free compiler for its bios or something |
| 19:28.10 | dontknow | so it is not considered as free software |
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| 19:28.35 | axc1298 | he said open source, which it is |
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| 19:28.53 | axc1298 | although it's in contrib due to not meeting debian free software guidelines i believe |
| 19:29.48 | dontknow | it is best to use qemu with sacrifices |
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| 19:32.04 | Harha_ | I'm all for open source software but in this case I don't really care if vmware is closed source and a commercial product. It's given me far better performance visually when I've used it to host linux vm's when compared to how virtualbox performed. |
| 19:33.20 | beepie | Harha_, but is it vmware player? |
| 19:34.08 | Harha_ | beepie; It's vmware workstation. I use it because I can for no fee, otherwise I'd use player. |
| 19:34.26 | markybob | who cares. let the man use what he wants to. none of our business |
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| 19:35.48 | Finetundra | Afternoon folks, I want to stream audio over ssh, what would be the best way to do that? |
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| 19:36.52 | beepie | Harha_, well 'workstation' is a paid product, unless you're using an illegal licensed copy. The 'player' edition is actaully the 'free' edition. |
| 19:36.55 | beepie | Harha_, so anyways. |
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| 19:37.24 | markybob | beepie, many businesses offer it to their employees at no cost to them. |
| 19:37.44 | nkuttler | Finetundra: (sshfs) |
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| 19:38.06 | khazakar | Hi all! |
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| 19:38.25 | khazakar | I have a problem with my diy router -> It doesn't allow me to see some sites like twitter |
| 19:38.28 | khazakar | I'm using OpenDNS |
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| 19:38.47 | nkuttler | khazakar: see? what do you mean? |
| 19:38.49 | Finetundra | nkuttler: um, can you elaborate? |
| 19:39.08 | nkuttler | Finetundra: streaming is a pita to set up. just mount the remote filesystem over ssh and play locally |
| 19:39.09 | khazakar | nkuttler I don't see page,only header |
| 19:39.19 | khazakar | (In Twitter) |
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| 19:39.31 | nkuttler | khazakar: sounds like you might be block js or something |
| 19:39.36 | khazakar | No |
| 19:39.37 | nkuttler | blocking |
| 19:39.50 | boom | guys can anyone explain bt-hybrid iso-hybrid webboot? |
| 19:39.58 | khazakar | it's the same on my smartphone and my notebook |
| 19:39.59 | nkuttler | khazakar: well then use your browser's developer tools and see which requests or whatever fails |
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| 19:40.57 | beepie | khazakar, maybe opendns doesn't like twitter stations |
| 19:40.59 | khazakar | nkuttler It's blocking...jpg O.o |
| 19:41.20 | beepie | khazakar, .. or should I say 'tweet stations' |
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| 19:41.49 | khazakar | Wow,It's loaded now O.o |
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| 19:42.15 | cra1g321 | who asked about encrypted backup a little while ago ? |
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| 19:42.31 | markybob | Iridos, |
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| 19:42.43 | cra1g321 | thanks |
| 19:42.43 | khazakar | It can be caused with MSS value in pppoeconf program? |
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| 19:44.37 | khazakar | Because I have that config: oldrouter in bridge mode -> my diy router -> wifi clients |
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| 19:45.29 | toogley | what kind of purpose has a "@packages.debian.org" mailinglist? |
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| 19:46.13 | catbehemoth | exit |
| 19:46.44 | khazakar | Or..It's just made by dnsmasq and his caching capabilites? Eh. |
| 19:46.50 | boom | can anyone tell me which display manager does debian inlude in the xfce desktop environment ? |
| 19:46.50 | khazakar | Any idea? |
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| 19:47.44 | dontknow | boom, it is xfce's own custom display manager |
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| 19:48.06 | markybob | boom usually LightDM |
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| 19:48.25 | beepie | boom, ? |
| 19:48.28 | dontknow | boom, sorry i got it wrong |
| 19:48.38 | boom | and in cinnamon desktop is it using mdm ? |
| 19:48.42 | beepie | boom, by default debian's standard gnome cd installs sddm -- if i'm correct.. |
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| 19:48.56 | boom | wow so many answers :D |
| 19:49.14 | Iridos | markybob, ? |
| 19:49.28 | markybob | Iridos, someone asked who asked something...i said you did |
| 19:49.35 | beepie | boom, well the default diplsay manager has changed sometime between squeeze and jessie that's for certain.. |
| 19:49.36 | Iridos | aha |
| 19:49.43 | beepie | boom, i think gdm3 used to be the default |
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| 19:49.50 | markybob | boom, it's gdm3 |
| 19:49.53 | boom | which desktop does debian love most ? |
| 19:49.57 | boom | :P |
| 19:49.59 | Iridos | markybob, that would have been a little less confusing without the comma :) |
| 19:50.02 | markybob | boom, you won't get an answer |
| 19:50.21 | beepie | boom, i don't think any, but the standard default installer is the GNOME cd, which if i'm correct would now be "sddm" if not then it is lightdm |
| 19:50.23 | markybob | Iridos, didn't mean to. just hit <tab> <enter> |
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| 19:50.45 | axc1298 | boom: i like kde |
| 19:51.04 | boom | debian wanted to make xfce default why did they again lean toward unholy mess gnome 3 |
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| 19:51.11 | boom | :) |
| 19:51.14 | beepie | boom, if xfce is not showing up on the display manager, then you're missing a package |
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| 19:51.27 | markybob | boom, it's tough to change defaults in debian. i use xfce myself |
| 19:51.43 | boom | which kde version is included in jessie |
| 19:51.56 | cra1g321 | 4.14.2 |
| 19:52.01 | axc1298 | xfce was default in debian 7 but development might have been too slow so they returned to gnome |
| 19:52.05 | TomasCZ | depends where, I use xfce and fluxbox. as far as daemon xdm |
| 19:52.21 | boom | gtk vs qt ? |
| 19:52.53 | markybob | boom, you're asking questions with no answers. whatever you like |
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| 19:53.51 | beepie | boom, http://popcon.debian.org/ , you might find who's using the most of one of the desktops you're after |
| 19:55.31 | TomasCZ | boom, is gradually gonna end up with debian or *ubuntu* or suse or fedora or ... Everyone preferences are different. You might want to try windows. Less options to pick from for free.... |
| 19:56.05 | boom | i dual boot music browsing - linux office - windows 7 |
| 19:56.20 | boom | tired of distro hopping |
| 19:56.25 | boom | i am a noob |
| 19:56.50 | TomasCZ | Then perhaps as someone I know you might want to install a little bit of everything ;-) it's not like you are limited to just 2 or 4 OS-es.... |
| 19:56.58 | boom | anyone using compiz with xfce in debian |
| 19:57.14 | markybob | boom, doubtful |
| 19:57.27 | markybob | !compiz |
| 19:57.27 | dpkg | Compiz was a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. Compiz hasn't been developed for some time and is no longer part of Debian (see bugs #719870 and #677864). Plenty of other window managers have the same features as compiz. For a list of available window managers, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». See also http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/ or #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:57.33 | boom | never tried debian idk why |
| 19:57.42 | markybob | boom, it's not in debian |
| 19:57.43 | boom | oh |
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| 19:58.07 | TomasCZ | or just get one thing, and rest inside VM(virtualbox for simplicity, and yes there are also others) |
| 19:58.12 | boom | is cairo composite manager available in jessie |
| 19:58.39 | beepie | boom, you can check for packages on the package search site - http://packages.debian.org |
| 19:58.57 | TomasCZ | boom, please do not use this channel instead of little bit of googling. |
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| 19:59.38 | TomasCZ | ... You are insulting yourself that way. |
| 19:59.43 | jhutchins | Well, that's interesting. According to timesyncd status NTP is not enabled bu tis synchronized. |
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| 19:59.53 | boom | ok |
| 20:00.19 | jhutchins | boom: There are also console search options. |
| 20:00.32 | boom | sudo apt-cache search |
| 20:00.44 | boom | am downloading |
| 20:00.45 | jhutchins | boom: aptitude search <package>, aptitude search ~d<description> |
| 20:00.53 | boom | will take few more mins |
| 20:01.02 | rainfyre | boom: don't need sudo to apt-cache search |
| 20:01.14 | TomasCZ | both would work. Just output looks formated differently |
| 20:01.15 | boom | su |
| 20:01.32 | beepie | jhutchins, he never installed debian yet XD |
| 20:01.54 | boom | oh i forgot debian does not include sudo by default i will have to configure it :p |
| 20:01.57 | rainfyre | boom: don't need su either, you don't need to be root to search |
| 20:02.03 | TomasCZ | beepie, actually I like aptitude results for search more than apt-cache |
| 20:02.03 | boom | oh |
| 20:02.08 | boom | thanks |
| 20:02.11 | rainfyre | np |
| 20:02.24 | boom | aptitude |
| 20:02.34 | beepie | !tell boom about refcard |
| 20:03.10 | boom | i can install .deb files by gdebi package manager also ? |
| 20:03.16 | beepie | boom, y |
| 20:03.28 | TomasCZ | dpkg -i file.deb works too |
| 20:03.28 | dpkg | removes a lung from tomascz and replaces it with file.deb works too |
| 20:03.36 | boom | command line ? |
| 20:03.42 | beepie | boom, but gebi also includes gdebi-core .. if you want to associate .deb with the mouse-clicks, that's what gdebi does |
| 20:03.43 | TomasCZ | heh |
| 20:03.50 | boom | umm |
| 20:03.51 | Hanumaan | how to install firmware packages in debian? |
| 20:03.52 | beepie | boom, you can also use the command gdebi <.deb> |
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| 20:04.15 | beepie | boom, not many people know about it actually |
| 20:04.21 | boom | oh |
| 20:04.21 | beepie | boom, gdebi-core includes the command |
| 20:04.38 | c0fe_machine | i am having issues with nautilus crashing whenever i right click on a mkv file |
| 20:04.45 | c0fe_machine | searching online for this error seems it is with gnome |
| 20:04.47 | beepie | boom, otherwise it is-> dpkg -i .deb, apt-get -f install for resolving any missing dependencies |
| 20:04.56 | boom | nautilus is a very bad file manager |
| 20:04.58 | beepie | boom, but afaik gdebi can only do 1 .deb at a time |
| 20:05.25 | boom | use nemo cofe machine |
| 20:05.26 | beepie | boom, mint by default comes with gdebi installed, that's what you're probably used to seeing |
| 20:05.30 | c0fe_machine | boom: maybe but i am forced to this right now |
| 20:05.34 | c0fe_machine | not using openbox or anything else |
| 20:05.41 | boom | use nemo |
| 20:06.00 | boom | gnome team has destroyed nautilus |
| 20:06.11 | beepie | boom, it's slow, so for that there's also things like pcmanfm -- which here I do use |
| 20:06.25 | beepie | boom, yep. it used to be good. |
| 20:06.29 | c0fe_machine | boom: i can't use cinnamon |
| 20:06.32 | boom | thunar nemo pcmanfm > stupid nautilus |
| 20:07.15 | beepie | teehhe |
| 20:07.25 | boom | what is up with these touch interfaces |
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| 20:07.40 | boom | desktop is not a tablet |
| 20:07.40 | c0fe_machine | also after installing cinnamon on debian and trying to get it into autologin i got constant crashes |
| 20:07.49 | c0fe_machine | nor is desktop a fish |
| 20:07.55 | beepie | it might work well on certain systems, but here nautilus chokes and staggers when reading remote filesystems (even with icon previewing off) |
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| 20:08.02 | TomasCZ | Hanumaan, I usually just search for firmware(aptitude search firmware or apt-cache ^firmware) and then based on what they cover install what is missing |
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| 20:08.15 | boom | cofe try thunar see if it works |
| 20:08.15 | beepie | TomasCZ, dmesg |grep -i fail |
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| 20:08.25 | beepie | TomasCZ, would tell the firmware the kernel/modules are trying to load |
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| 20:08.46 | boom | cofe is it using mdm ? |
| 20:08.47 | beepie | TomasCZ, you can use apt-file to search that firmware file and it'll tell you the package you need to install |
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| 20:09.15 | c0fe_machine | boom: no |
| 20:09.16 | beepie | TomasCZ, however this is more difficult if you are having networking issues -- say you dont even have network access for the wire port |
| 20:09.18 | TomasCZ | Hanumaan, beepie has interesting pointers. |
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| 20:09.36 | boom | which dm is it using ? |
| 20:09.44 | c0fe_machine | cinnamon |
| 20:09.58 | boom | display manager ? |
| 20:10.01 | beepie | boom, "dm" is only for the login screen |
| 20:10.05 | boom | yea |
| 20:10.07 | c0fe_machine | debian 8 cinnamon DE if i try set autologin for a regular user it will start crashing |
| 20:10.10 | beepie | boom, it's irrelevant after you login to a desktop |
| 20:10.23 | c0fe_machine | boom: whatever comes standard, just set it in the netinstall settings |
| 20:10.26 | beepie | boom, you can have a non-compiz dm |
| 20:10.42 | TomasCZ | beepie, the only thing I got on my system with that grep was f*** systemd related crap. |
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| 20:11.00 | Harha_ | damn. :D I didn't realize the desktop environment selection screen in debian installer was just enter and it instantly starts to download it. I thought it was select and then confirm, blah. |
| 20:11.22 | boom | cofe maybe u should try kde ;) |
| 20:11.28 | beepie | TomasCZ, is this a laptop with a wire port? then that would be easy to fix |
| 20:11.31 | c0fe_machine | fuck kde |
| 20:11.34 | boom | lol |
| 20:11.35 | Harha_ | I like MATE |
| 20:11.40 | c0fe_machine | it makes my stomach turn |
| 20:11.57 | boom | kde 5 is looking good |
| 20:12.08 | boom | kde 4 was also not that bad |
| 20:12.13 | TomasCZ | beepie, actually that you mention it, I have problems getting LTE modem to work for me. Up for challenge ? |
| 20:12.18 | c0fe_machine | i hate that cinnamon is so unstable |
| 20:12.25 | r6ku | better than gnome at least |
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| 20:12.34 | beepie | TomasCZ, first do you get any output with dmesg for failed firmware? |
| 20:12.35 | boom | it is still new yes better than gnome |
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| 20:12.50 | beepie | TomasCZ, (failing to load "missing firmware files") |
| 20:13.07 | boom | gnome 3 devs are making a fool of themselves |
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| 20:14.17 | TomasCZ | beepie, nope. Some driver allocated the modem alright. but getting it to work is whole diff. matter. |
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| 20:15.59 | beepie | TomasCZ, is it this machine you're on? |
| 20:16.05 | c0fe_machine | well i will try mate |
| 20:16.10 | c0fe_machine | if that won't work then KDE |
| 20:16.12 | c0fe_machine | *shudder* |
| 20:17.23 | beepie | TomasCZ, last time i checked into wireless internet (Cellular), the NM daemon took care of it pretty well -- though it would definitely be beacuse that chipset is well supported -- the cellular registered as a "wired ethernet" |
| 20:17.41 | beepie | TomasCZ, (usb cellular stick) |
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| 20:21.03 | TomasCZ | beepie, heh. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/4f5f6205 tell me if I got it wrong. |
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| 20:22.10 | boom | ohk guys off to installing debian 8 will be back later after setting up the system |
| 20:22.22 | markybob | TomasCZ, you shouldn't mix jessie and testing in your sources.list. also testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
| 20:23.00 | boom | thanks for your valuable suggestions good day all |
| 20:23.57 | TomasCZ | markybob, dist-upgrade. besides, who says some package is not missing in testing? |
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| 20:24.07 | TomasCZ | and yes I know, this is debian-next |
| 20:24.09 | markybob | TomasCZ, everyone |
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| 20:24.27 | markybob | TomasCZ, this isn't #debian-next. this is #debian. you need to go to #debian-next |
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| 20:25.19 | TomasCZ | markybob, I was there. Tried twice or more. no ideas. I'm left with mailing list. But since beepie had suggestions I asked him. not you. |
| 20:25.30 | beepie | TomasCZ, cant guaranteee, maybe you can check to see if the user is a member of 'dialout' |
| 20:25.35 | markybob | TomasCZ, you're offtopic. i don't care who you asked |
| 20:25.47 | beepie | TomasCZ, also consider if it may also have to do with that you're using testing |
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| 20:25.59 | TomasCZ | beepie, pm I guess. |
| 20:26.21 | beepie | markybob, i wouldn't mind helping, though glad to see you pointed out he's using testing, it may be well that |
| 20:26.23 | beepie | XD |
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| 20:27.39 | beepie | i think better that people who are new to debian should not be using testing at all, because they fall into these traps of not knowing what could be issue -- hardware or library, it becomes a mess really quick |
| 20:28.12 | markybob | beepie, correct |
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| 20:31.08 | TomTomTosch | the faq has a nice section about the choice of debian dist which basically boils down to "use stable, jackass" ;D |
| 20:33.27 | tertiary | if i create and install debian package "A", and then later upgrade "A" to "B" , when I remove package "B", are all files still there from "A"? Meaning, when package "B" overwrites one of "A"'s files, will it be there as it was originally with "A"? |
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| 20:36.28 | petn-randall | tertiary: only conffiles, so files internally marked as config files are kept. Everything else is deleted, so to speak. |
| 20:36.59 | Harha_ | I accidentally installed gnome (yuck) during debian stable install. Will this get rid of EVERYTHING related to gnome sudo apt-get autoremove --purge 'gnome*' ? |
| 20:37.39 | tertiary | petn-randall: i see. thanks. |
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| 20:38.45 | INeedWifi | Cannot get wifi. Connecting through ethernet. |
| 20:38.47 | INeedWifi | Error: No Wi-Fi device found. |
| 20:38.55 | INeedWifi | Is there something I can do to fix this? |
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| 20:44.58 | c0fe_machine | huh mate is lighter with 988 files where as cinnamon is 1392 files |
| 20:45.06 | c0fe_machine | so it is either crap or good |
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| 20:48.55 | well_laid_lawn | why would the numberof files determine quality ? |
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| 20:50.28 | well_laid_lawn | I ration my rationality over the day |
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| 20:57.19 | c0fe_machine | I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity |
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| 20:58.55 | nevyn | s/win 32 |
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| 21:02.19 | wewlad | hello, I have a problem with apache2 running on debian: 'apachectl -S' shows the virtualhost configuration with a dupe: https://i.imgur.com/ekHmG9I.png I tried to ask for help on #httpd, but op there calls debian a mess because of it's 'broken' scripts and suggests me to break everything down and start writing my own conf from scratch, which is too hardcore for me. Does anyone know the whole list of conf files used by apache2 on debian? |
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| 21:08.23 | petn-randall | Harha_: Do you want any other desktop installed? |
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| 21:09.16 | petn-randall | wewlad: Looks like you're sourcing that file twice for some reason. |
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| 21:10.02 | nevyn | wewlad: did you edit httpd.conf? |
| 21:10.06 | wewlad | no |
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| 21:12.12 | wewlad | nevyn: 'find / -iname "httpd.conf"' gives 0 results |
| 21:12.31 | nevyn | ok |
| 21:13.01 | RoyK | wewlad: it's /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
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| 21:13.11 | RoyK | wewlad: see the config tree there |
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| 21:13.33 | wewlad | RoyK: okay, but it tells me nothing. |
| 21:14.04 | RoyK | wewlad: what're you trying to do? |
| 21:14.33 | wewlad | trying to figure out where's the dupe |
| 21:15.04 | RoyK | wewlad: somewhere in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/? |
| 21:15.32 | wewlad | RoyK: there are only 2 conf files, no dupes there. |
| 21:15.57 | RoyK | and you haven't hardcoded anything into /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ? |
| 21:16.21 | markybob | wewlad, he didn't mean identical files. he meant files with the same virtualhost |
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| 21:16.44 | wewlad | RoyK: nope |
| 21:16.51 | wewlad | markybob: I know. |
| 21:17.12 | wewlad | each of two files has it's own virtualhost. one per file. |
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| 21:17.40 | markybob | wewlad, so just pastebin everything. it's not hard pastebinit * |
| 21:18.03 | wewlad | pastebin apache2.conf or those 2 confs too? |
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| 21:18.27 | Iridos | does someone know off-hand if I can use 03,16 as a value-field in crontab? man 5 crontab mentions it in an offhanded way that makes me unsure it's implemented |
| 21:18.45 | wewlad | how to redirect cat's output into the clipboard? |
| 21:18.59 | markybob | wewlad, do you have pastebinit? |
| 21:19.03 | beepie | wewlad, xclip |
| 21:19.09 | markybob | !pastebinit |
| 21:19.09 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 21:19.21 | wewlad | beepie: could you show an example on how to use it? |
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| 21:19.34 | beepie | wewlad, echo blah|xclip |
| 21:19.38 | beepie | lol |
| 21:19.39 | wewlad | thx |
| 21:19.53 | beepie | if pastebinit does not work |
| 21:19.54 | markybob | my solution is still more elegant :P |
| 21:20.02 | ironpillow | anyone know of boards specifically built for network applications (firewall, routers). Boards with only ethernet ports, cpu, memory but without graphics card (hdmi, vga), audio or anything extra? |
| 21:20.05 | beepie | pastebinit might be something you want too |
| 21:20.10 | wewlad | beepie: bash: xclip: command not found. |
| 21:20.19 | beepie | wewlad, boo |
| 21:20.23 | wewlad | same for pastebinit |
| 21:20.28 | beepie | wewlad, boo |
| 21:20.31 | markybob | wewlad, you need to apt-get them |
| 21:20.31 | petn-randall | wewlad: You know how to install things? |
| 21:20.34 | markybob | wewlad, c'mon man |
| 21:20.49 | teraflops | wewlad: e.g cat whatever | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io |
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| 21:21.16 | beepie | ironpillow, you can look into who is using vyos |
| 21:21.18 | markybob | teraflops, you're confusing him way more at this point |
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| 21:21.36 | wewlad | omg, xclip doesn't work |
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| 21:21.48 | ironpillow | beepie: will do. |
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| 21:21.58 | wewlad | it clips '»' instead of everything else |
| 21:22.04 | markybob | wewlad, you need to apt-get install xclip or apt-get install pastebinit |
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| 21:22.15 | beepie | wewlad, theres a way to force it to use ctlc/ctlp otherwise by default it is the legacy paste (mid-mouse button for X11 intrinsi clipboard) |
| 21:22.23 | markybob | wewlad, use pastebinit please |
| 21:22.25 | wewlad | markybob: I know how to install packages, you just should've mentioned at first they are not built-in |
| 21:22.31 | markybob | this is getting silly |
| 21:22.43 | markybob | wewlad, i shouldn't have to tell you that. |
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| 21:23.18 | wewlad | » |
| 21:23.20 | wewlad | DAMNIT |
| 21:23.25 | teraflops | ^ |
| 21:23.28 | wewlad | http://paste.debian.net/389813/ |
| 21:23.43 | wewlad | damn pastebinit can't clip the url automatically... |
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| 21:25.16 | wewlad | so apache2.conf http://paste.debian.net/389813/ /sites-enabled/000-default.conf http://paste.debian.net/389814/ /sites-enabled/default-ssl.conf http://paste.debian.net/389815/ |
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| 21:25.35 | teraflops | wewlad: mind pasting `tree /etc/apache2/sites-enabled` |
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| 21:26.06 | wewlad | what's the package name for tree? tree? |
| 21:26.12 | teraflops | yeah tree |
| 21:26.39 | wewlad | https://i.imgur.com/2ALS5Tn.png |
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| 21:26.58 | wewlad | so sites-available's conf is used too |
| 21:26.59 | wewlad | wtf |
| 21:27.11 | markybob | wewlad, yes it is |
| 21:27.38 | wewlad | how to stop it? |
| 21:27.47 | markybob | wewlad, you don't. |
| 21:27.54 | markybob | that's how apache works |
| 21:28.13 | markybob | wewlad, at this point though you should probably go to #httpd for specialized apache help |
| 21:28.14 | TomTomTosch | wewlad, http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/CouldNotDetermineServerName |
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| 21:28.19 | wewlad | there's the include for /sites-enabled/default-ssl.conf |
| 21:28.35 | wewlad | then I should just comment it |
| 21:28.52 | wewlad | markybob: I was there, they said 'burn your debian' |
| 21:28.58 | wewlad | 'debian is a mess' |
| 21:29.10 | markybob | it actually kind of is when it comes to apache :P |
| 21:29.11 | wewlad | 'debian is a distro with broken scripts, install a normal OS' |
| 21:29.17 | TomTomTosch | that's fine. |
| 21:29.43 | wewlad | I didn't know that in linux world you have to choose an os for a program, not vice versa |
| 21:29.55 | wewlad | but that's linux, I guess it's a normal situation |
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| 21:30.16 | TomTomTosch | shrugs |
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| 21:30.55 | nkuttler | wewlad: #httpd hates debian packaging |
| 21:31.17 | wewlad | they hate it for it's 'mess' and 'broken scripts' |
| 21:31.23 | fireba11 | hm, i'm pretty comfy with the way apache2 is set up on debian ^^ |
| 21:31.37 | wewlad | turns out they are right, but I'm already using it, so I have to deal with the sheeeit |
| 21:31.43 | TomTomTosch | i don't quite understand why you always try to go after problems that don't affect the functionality. |
| 21:31.54 | SleepySkies | Afternoon. I am working with MySql on a Debian server and I had a few questions about MySql instances since I'm entirely new to working with MySql setup in this regard. If I have a MySql database up and running, and I want to setup a second database for another application; do I need a second isntance of MySql? |
| 21:32.04 | wewlad | commenting that include fixed the issue |
| 21:32.14 | fireba11 | SleepySkies: nope |
| 21:32.22 | nkuttler | SleepySkies: no |
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| 21:33.09 | TomTomTosch | SleepySkies, you can create as many DBs in mysql as you want. |
| 21:33.35 | SleepySkies | Hmmm, I see. Okay. Thank you very much. I'll start creating a second db, linking it to the application, and see what happens. |
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| 21:35.59 | darkstar_ | Hi,im using Debian with plesk, I can't vreate files inside apache2, so updates fails |
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| 21:36.16 | darkstar_ | it is wheezy |
| 21:36.50 | wewlad | is there an analogy to xclip but that works with normal clipboard? |
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| 21:42.50 | nevyn | ironpillow: there's the pcengine stuff. |
| 21:43.11 | nevyn | ironpillow: or routerboards but I'm not convinced about their gpl compliance. |
| 21:43.55 | karlpinc | ironpillow: Soekris boards. |
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| 21:44.57 | nevyn | better ^^ |
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| 21:48.01 | oxachloren | Oops, sorry. |
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| 21:54.41 | DammitJim | should I be using cp or rsync to copy a 1TB folder from USB drive to USB drive (USB3) ? |
| 21:55.06 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Does not matter. |
| 21:55.15 | DammitJim | is one of them faster than the other? |
| 21:55.43 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Not noticably. |
| 21:55.52 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 21:55.56 | DammitJim | I"ll let it rip |
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| 21:56.34 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Rsync is good for syncing over a network, where you've 2 copies that are "close". |
| 21:56.45 | axc1298 | DammitJim: probably go with rsync since it's large and you will get a progress bar |
| 21:56.49 | axc1298 | cp won't show you progress |
| 21:56.50 | DammitJim | like where I already have partial stuff right? |
| 21:57.05 | DammitJim | yeah... I'll have to interrupt the transfer here pretty soon |
| 21:57.07 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Yes. But when there's a local copy it does not matter. |
| 21:57.39 | ironpillow | nevyn, karlpinc sweet taking a look at them now. |
| 21:57.47 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Well, I take that back. It depends on how "careful" you want to be in detecting differences. |
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| 21:58.46 | karlpinc | DammitJim: An arbitrarly interrupted local copy (IIRC) it should not matter which you use if you want to be certain that you're in sync. |
| 21:59.50 | axc1298 | karlpinc: if he interrupts transfer and resumes later, then won't cp overwrite everything and start from scratch. whereas rsync will continue where it left off |
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| 22:01.30 | karlpinc | axc1298: If something goes arbitrarly wrong, neither will be able to tell that the copy is wrong. (rsync will check timestamps and size.) So both will have to re-copy. |
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| 22:02.53 | axc1298 | karlpinc: if they can't tell the copy is wrong, then how will they know to re-copy? |
| 22:02.55 | karlpinc | axc1298: Perhaps on a media like flash where reads can be faster than writes rsync with checksumming will be faster than cp. But flash will also lose "random" data with power loss, so you won't know for sure that the content is "good" without at least reading. So.... It's a matter of paranoia. |
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| 22:03.50 | karlpinc | axc1298: Either you copy over what's there without checking, which can (media dependent) be as fast as any other option, or you read everything and check. Either way, it can take some time. |
| 22:04.28 | tremon | iirc rsync will do rolling checksums by default. You have to choose filesize/timestamps explicitly |
| 22:04.44 | axc1298 | karlpinc: ok. yeah for 1TB of data that's not practical to open every file to check it. lol |
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| 22:04.52 | axc1298 | so hopefully stuff like that doesn't happen often |
| 22:05.04 | karlpinc | tremon: I believe it's the other way. It does filesizes and timestamps by default. At least across a network. |
| 22:05.38 | fireba11 | it won't check anything if the target is empty |
| 22:05.51 | karlpinc | tremon: Now, when re-syncing a large file I think it does do stuff to keep network bandwidth down, like partial checksums. |
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| 22:06.15 | kingsley_ | Why are the latest versions of the video software named "ffmpeg" and "openshot" not in unstable yet? |
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| 22:06.52 | tremon | kingsley_: because you haven't volunteered to prepare and upload them? |
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| 22:07.19 | axc1298 | grsync has a checkbox that isn't checked by default called 'always checksum (-c) skip based on checksum, not modified time and size" |
| 22:07.44 | axc1298 | which makes me think it uses the time and size method by default |
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| 22:08.10 | tremon | yes, the man page says the same. so just ignore me :) |
| 22:08.12 | karlpinc | axc1298: I think he was thinking of how rsync actually syncs large files that have changed. |
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| 22:09.27 | axc1298 | so when i use this should i use the -c option for more reliable file comparison? |
| 22:10.03 | fireba11 | if you want to save on cpu, just tell it not do do checksums at all :-D |
| 22:10.05 | tremon | I would only use that if you're trying to recover from a known failed copy |
| 22:10.20 | axc1298 | ok |
| 22:10.29 | tremon | (failed because of system crash I mean) |
| 22:10.50 | tremon | in that case, you could end up with files that have the correct metadata and filesize but not all data intact |
| 22:11.14 | tremon | in all other cases, a failed copy should result in a smaller destination file |
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| 22:12.45 | tremon | karlpinc: actually, I've always been using rsync --size-only because I thought it would prevent extensive checksumming on identical files :| |
| 22:13.17 | tremon | karlpinc: so thanks for making me read the manual again |
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| 22:13.55 | karlpinc | tremon: Rsync is awesome, but has too many options. |
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| 22:14.45 | tremon | yup |
| 22:14.47 | karlpinc | (Or maybe it's not the options that drive me nuts, but the syntax that's sensitive to trailing slashes, etc.) |
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| 22:16.37 | ryouma | for me it's both |
| 22:16.44 | ryouma | but it is awesome |
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| 22:30.41 | axc1298 | the trailing slash thing has burned me before |
| 22:30.48 | axc1298 | when i used it with --delete |
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| 22:32.50 | darkstar_ | Hi,im using Debian with plesk, I can't vreate files inside apache2, so updates fails |
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| 22:34.24 | uberdub | what issues can I expect by running 4.4 in jessie? |
| 22:34.41 | uberdub | my new wifi ac card is drawing power like a pig |
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| 22:50.43 | xbpeerf | debian 8.3.0 ==> /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! ... failed! |
| 22:50.48 | xbpeerf | any help? |
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| 22:51.45 | markybob | xbpeerf, probably an easy thing to do is go into /var/log and delete some old log files. those grow pretty quickly |
| 22:52.01 | markybob | xbpeerf, pastebin df -h |
| 22:52.13 | xbpeerf | ok |
| 22:52.13 | markybob | xbpeerf, and du -sh /var/lib/mysql |
| 22:52.43 | xbpeerf | 41M /var/lib/mysql |
| 22:52.56 | tachibana | help |
| 22:53.03 | xbpeerf | https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/PcOvXqNSQKqTz2KTcayO |
| 22:53.22 | markybob | xbpeerf, and du -sh /var/log |
| 22:53.29 | xbpeerf | df -i /dev/sda15 183264 43255 140009 24% /var |
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| 22:53.41 | tachibana | i tried moving a text file into the file browser's side pain thinking it would bookmark next to 'downloads, documents, pictures, etc..' and it's stuck in the middle of the screen |
| 22:53.52 | xbpeerf | 1.6G /var/log |
| 22:53.56 | tachibana | and it annoyingly hovers over everything including fullscreen vids |
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| 22:54.05 | markybob | xbpeerf, yep, that's your problem. start deleting logs |
| 22:54.10 | uberdub | what issues can I expect by running 4.4 in jessie? |
| 22:54.13 | uberdub | my new wifi ac card is drawing power like a pig |
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| 22:55.07 | opal | i can't explain this issue anymore. i am having connection resets every day at 22:40 utc, so i tried setting a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces instead of dhcp, restarted the networking service, to no avail |
| 22:55.13 | xbpeerf | thanks :) |
| 22:55.19 | opal | it's an ethernet connection, isp says it isnt their end |
| 22:55.28 | xbpeerf | any save way to do this |
| 22:56.19 | markybob | xbpeerf, no real wrong way to do it. just rm the older ones. backup elsewhere if you'd like |
| 22:56.37 | xbpeerf | ok |
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| 22:58.00 | xbpeerf | 112M /var/log |
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| 22:58.31 | markybob | xbpeerf, that's better |
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| 23:01.15 | xbpeerf | everything is working now.....thank you markybob |
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| 23:02.10 | StaticLink | So "-Wl,-rpath,$ORIGIN/lib -lSDL2main -lSDL2 -lSDL2_image -lSDL2_mixer -lSDL2_ttf -lSDL2_net -Wl,-Bdynamic" is the line I will need to use? |
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| 23:33.13 | kevin | Plop. |
| 23:34.07 | Guest43256 | If i install Debian and take contrib/non-free repo', i'll have a full free Debian? Like gNewSense. |
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| 23:34.57 | themill | Guest43256: "take"? |
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| 23:36.18 | Guest43256 | themill, sorry i'm french ^^'. If i delete contrib and non-free from the sources.list |
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| 23:36.52 | TomTomTosch | Guest43256, you'd have to add it first, debian usually ships with only main enabled. |
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| 23:37.15 | themill | You'll only have software that means the Debian Free Software Guidelines. Note that Debian and the FSF don't always agree on what "Free" means. |
| 23:37.16 | themill | !dfsg |
| 23:37.17 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
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| 23:38.18 | Guest43256 | themill, okay |
| 23:38.35 | Guest43256 | dpkg, i'll check this : ) |
| 23:38.35 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Guest43256 |
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| 23:40.36 | TomTomTosch | removing the lines will not remove the non-free software that is already installed. |
| 23:41.01 | Guest43256 | TomTomTosch, Debian installs non-free packages at the installation? |
| 23:41.09 | TomTomTosch | nope |
| 23:41.40 | Guest43256 | So, if you remove the lines just after the installation, you'll not have non-free software then. |
| 23:41.55 | axc1298 | debian's wiki actually advises adding non-debian repos to install another DE? this is the definition of "frankendebian" and i'm surprised to see it there. https://wiki.debian.org/LXQt |
| 23:42.25 | TomTomTosch | Guest43256, after the installation main and contrib are not automatically enabled. you dont have to remove. |
| 23:42.41 | TomTomTosch | Guest43256, sry, non-free and contrib i mean |
| 23:42.41 | xangua | Guest43256: you have been told at least twice that "the lines"are not enabled |
| 23:42.55 | Guest43256 | okay okay : ) |
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| 23:44.07 | TomTomTosch | axc1298, it's only franken debian if the repo is not made for your dist. |
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| 23:44.49 | axc1298 | TomTomTosch: the siduction repo is made for the siduction distro, adding it in debian doesn't seem like a good idea even if it's debian-based distro |
| 23:45.12 | nevyn | Guest43256: if you really care what the fsf's view is you could just install vrms |
| 23:45.15 | themill | the wiki is a wiki and anyone can add crap to it and it doesn't always get fixed |
| 23:45.47 | themill | axc1298: perhaps you could fix that page by adding a note to it that the outcome of doing so is an entirely unsupportable mess? |
| 23:45.57 | TomTomTosch | axc1298, ah, it says unstable, just now seen it. yes, adding a different debian distro to jessie is bad :D |
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| 23:46.31 | axc1298 | themill: ok sure |
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| 23:49.21 | Guest43256 | nevyn, i thought about it. |
| 23:49.54 | nevyn | Guest43256: so it'll tell you what non-free stuff you've installed then you can decide if you're bothered by that or not. |
| 23:49.54 | themill | vrms is not the FSF's view of freeness (it's old crap that should go away) |
| 23:50.02 | nevyn | aww it's fun |
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| 23:50.24 | uberdub | what issues can I expect by running 4.4 in jessie? |
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| 23:51.57 | axc1298 | themill: oh well. "Account creation failed: Due to an ongoing spam attack, this wiki is configured to not automatically create wiki accounts for some users." |
| 23:52.29 | themill | axc1298: please ask in #debian-www on irc.oftc.net and someone will probably be able to whitelist you |
| 23:52.50 | axc1298 | ok |
| 23:54.47 | TomTomTosch | uberdub, why would you want to do that in jessie? |
| 23:55.13 | TomTomTosch | it's not in the packages. |
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| 23:56.33 | markybob | uberdub, probably no issues if you know how to configure a kernel and package it the debian way per the kernel manual |
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| 23:58.41 | poffs | is a schoot limited by default in size? |
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| 23:59.59 | solrize | is there no such thing as inetd any more? i tried to install talkd on debian 7 and it complained about not being able to edit inetd and then didn't start the daemon |
