| 00:00.39 | uberdub | markybob: my new wifi ac card is drawing power like a pig |
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| 00:01.35 | markybob | uberdub, have you tried the backported kernel? it's at 4.3 for jessie |
| 00:01.40 | uberdub | no |
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| 00:01.49 | themill | solrize: inetutils-inetd still exists; can't say I've needed it for close to a decade. |
| 00:01.50 | markybob | uberdub, so much easier than bothering with doing your own 4.4. http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 00:01.53 | uberdub | is there a guide I can follow? |
| 00:02.00 | uberdub | ok |
| 00:02.05 | uberdub | thanks man |
| 00:02.13 | poffs | is there a grsecurity kernel available from official repositories? |
| 00:02.14 | themill | !bdo kernel |
| 00:02.14 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 00:02.20 | solrize | themill, yeah it looks like xinitd tries to interpret inetd files, but update-inetd doesn't understand that |
| 00:02.24 | solrize | hmm |
| 00:03.12 | uberdub | this card is fast, but im getting like 1.5 hrs battery time, and powertop shows iwlwifi using mad power. the proprietary driver is only for 4.2 and above |
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| 00:03.48 | uberdub | ill gonna attempt tp use iwlwifi, but if its a pig...its gone and Ill have to use intels driver |
| 00:04.19 | themill | iwlwifi is intel's driver, isn't it? |
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| 00:04.31 | uberdub | I like to use open source as much as anyone, but if its imractical.... |
| 00:04.46 | uberdub | themill: no.iwlwifi is the open source driver |
| 00:04.52 | poffs | **** does a schroot have a default size limit? *** |
| 00:04.53 | themill | author: Copyright(c) 2003- 2014 Intel Corporation <ilw@linux.intel.com> |
| 00:04.56 | themill | poffs: no |
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| 00:05.50 | uberdub | intel has a driver for this card 4360 iirc. but only work in 4.2 and above |
| 00:05.55 | markybob | themill, i assume uberdub means firmware-iwlwifi |
| 00:05.58 | nevyn | the one intel maintain?. |
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| 00:06.31 | themill | markybob: that's not an either/or thing though |
| 00:06.33 | zykotick9 | uberdub: while intel has free graphics hardware, the wireless has always been non-free/proprietary :( |
| 00:06.43 | markybob | themill, i realize |
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| 00:07.19 | wimm0 | same problem |
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| 00:07.34 | uberdub | right now iwlwifi says its drawing 6.44 w according to powertop |
| 00:07.42 | themill | uberdub: 4360 sounds like a broadcom chip not intel |
| 00:07.49 | uberdub | its not |
| 00:07.56 | markybob | hrm? |
| 00:08.32 | uberdub | sorry 7260 |
| 00:08.56 | uberdub | Intel WiFi Wireless-AC 7260 H/T Dual Band 2x2 AC+Bluetooth HMC Network 7260HMW |
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| 00:09.46 | uberdub | think penguin tried to tell me there was no bluetooth card for their korora |
| 00:09.52 | uberdub | BS! |
| 00:09.56 | nautilux | Hello, I have problem installing debian 8. I think I have problem with security.debian.org repo. I have this error Err http://security.debian.org jessie/updates/non-free amd64 Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.233.100 80] -- Any help, please ? |
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| 00:10.46 | markybob | !tell nautilux about sources.list |
| 00:10.54 | markybob | nautilux, look at the bot's format of the security line |
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| 00:11.09 | axc1298 | nautilux: you don't have main, just non-free? |
| 00:11.10 | markybob | nautilux, and/or pastebin your sources.list |
| 00:12.27 | Darkhunter | Hello guys, I have problem...We have many debian servers, which may not be used and we decided to remove the unused...The way to get if it is used is to look in auth.log, but what if it has webserver? Then I can look if pages are working and what next...Is there any program or way to decide if server is used or not? :D |
| 00:12.37 | nautilux | I use the complet line, with main and non-free. I use the common line for security repo |
| 00:12.49 | markybob | nautilux, so pastebin your sources.list |
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| 00:13.25 | uberdub | kde 5 is pretty slick. when is debian getting it? |
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| 00:15.19 | themill | uberdub: it's been in Debian for some months |
| 00:16.46 | nautilux | the pastebin , markybob http://pastebin.com/aGGX5P68 |
| 00:17.34 | nautilux | if I comment the security line it's works fine... |
| 00:17.46 | uberdub | themill: than why am I in 4.14.2? |
| 00:17.55 | uberdub | is it in stretch or something? |
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| 00:18.16 | themill | yes |
| 00:18.46 | axc1298 | uberdub: kde 5 is already in debian. testing and unstable |
| 00:18.52 | uberdub | I see |
| 00:18.57 | uberdub | so yes, stretch |
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| 00:19.02 | uberdub | not in stable debian |
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| 00:19.14 | uberdub | so..it is...but isnt in debian |
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| 00:19.46 | uberdub | I would assume its pretty darn stable by now |
| 00:19.48 | axc1298 | no, because kde 5 is just starting to become actually stable. people who used kde 5 right away, like kubuntu and arch users, had some really bad experiences |
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| 00:20.16 | uberdub | I see |
| 00:20.20 | themill | uberdub: a stable release won't happen for another year |
| 00:20.23 | markybob | uberdub, that's not how stable works. when the release is done, then it'll get kde5 |
| 00:20.29 | beepie | i tried kubuntu last 2 or 3 editions never had an issue with it (on a separate laptop machine here) |
| 00:20.30 | uberdub | I guess Ill wait... |
| 00:20.50 | uberdub | its damn sexy lookin tho |
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| 00:20.53 | uberdub | gotta say |
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| 00:21.55 | axc1298 | beepie: i sometimed idled in the kubuntu channel with 15.04 or 15.10 was released, whichever one introduced kde5. and there were tons of issues based on people coming in there |
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| 00:22.04 | axc1298 | beepie: seems to be stable enough to use now though |
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| 00:24.47 | nautilux | problem not solved, thanks for your time, markybob ... cheers ... |
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| 00:25.40 | TomTomTosch | well.... his sources.list looked fine to me... |
| 00:25.53 | markybob | me too. i had nothing to add |
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| 00:28.24 | beepie | lets out a sunshine |
| 00:28.40 | poffs | asks beepie if she wants to cyber |
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| 00:29.44 | beepie | reminds poffs it is ok to be trans-genic. |
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| 00:32.09 | beepie | poffs, seems like you can't take male satire. that was me making a gas ya fool. i'm not a female. :)) |
| 00:32.10 | beepie | lol |
| 00:32.58 | poffs | i was giving you the benefit of the doubt, beepie. You could be female - even if just for the duration of our night. |
| 00:33.32 | TomTomTosch | feels like he is in the wrong place |
| 00:34.12 | mtn | someone is :P |
| 00:34.19 | themill | TomTomTosch: you're not. |
| 00:34.44 | themill | beepie, poffs: this isn't the place for it and you know it. Please take it elsewhere. |
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| 00:35.46 | beepie | themill, I was offering a new light, awaiting what those sources.list had to say.. gee themill |
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| 00:36.06 | beepie | maybe a new perspective would grow -- post those pastebin again, maybe i can see what is missing |
| 00:36.07 | beepie | lol |
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| 00:37.05 | poffs | got a simple issue with user privileges, /dev/shm, or "sudo: unable to resolve host server" https://paste.debian.net/plain/390172 |
| 00:37.38 | themill | poffs: sounds like you've broken /etc/hosts |
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| 00:39.21 | poffs | themill, hmm... it's a schroot. in the schroot, /etc/hosts says "localhost", whereas outside the schroot, /etc/hosts says "server" -- perhaps that is the source of the break? |
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| 00:40.40 | poffs | themill, ok, that resolved the first issue, but I still have a second issue which is "cannot touch 'foo': Permission denied. |
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| 00:40.51 | poffs | that second issue doesn't make sense, since /dev/shm is 1777 permissions |
| 00:41.11 | poffs | oh wait no it's now 755 permissions |
| 00:41.25 | poffs | but that is normal, isn't it? |
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| 00:42.24 | poffs | k i put it to 777 and my issue is resolved. yay |
| 00:42.32 | TomTomTosch | beepie, here it is ;D http://pastebin.com/aGGX5P68 the user is gone though, he lost all hope in computing and turned to manual labour. |
| 00:44.31 | dvs | TomTomTosch: Weird how he doesn't have "contrib non-free" in the first two lines |
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| 00:45.05 | markybob | dvs, has nothing to do with the security problem though |
| 00:45.15 | dvs | nope |
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| 00:45.59 | TomTomTosch | dvs, good riddance me thinks :P |
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| 00:48.04 | TomTomTosch | "I have this error Err â `ariel_ |
| 00:48.06 | TomTomTosch | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.08 | TomTomTosch | ah, sry |
| 00:48.46 | TomTomTosch | anyway. the only thing i find strange is the ip. my dns resolves it differently. should be the same, should it not? |
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| 00:49.16 | markybob | TomTomTosch, didn't notice that. 128.31.0.63 ? |
| 00:49.57 | themill | security.d.o is a geodns setup but I didn't know that host was in the rotation |
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| 00:51.42 | TomTomTosch | ah, that's good to know :D |
| 00:52.40 | markybob | oh that's osuosl. i didn't think they did security either |
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| 00:54.20 | markybob | which is weird if it's geodns since he's from es |
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| 00:58.03 | opal | i waited a good few hours, no response to my question |
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| 00:58.26 | opal | "i can't explain this issue anymore. i am having connection resets every day at 22:40 utc, so i tried setting a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces instead of dhcp, restarted the networking service, to no avail". "it's an ethernet connection, isp says it isnt their end" |
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| 00:59.18 | TomTomTosch | markybob, well, the US and Spain are not so far apart if you look at it as a graph problem :P |
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| 00:59.45 | markybob | TomTomTosch, oregon is about as far as you can get :P |
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| 01:00.12 | TomTomTosch | ah, ipinfo said new york :S |
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| 01:00.49 | TomTomTosch | anyway, i have no idea. it is strange :D |
| 01:03.21 | TomTomTosch | opal, does it only happen to one machine? |
| 01:03.32 | opal | yes, and it hasnt happened forever |
| 01:03.40 | opal | just started about a few weeks ago |
| 01:03.46 | opal | i'm using jessie, testing repos |
| 01:04.06 | TomTomTosch | !frankendebian |
| 01:04.06 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 01:04.11 | dvs | so testing...? |
| 01:04.20 | TomTomTosch | ha, always wanted to do this :D |
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| 01:04.23 | opal | lol |
| 01:04.24 | opal | hold on |
| 01:04.40 | opal | testing, jessie-updates |
| 01:04.42 | opal | hm |
| 01:04.48 | opal | is testing-updates an option? |
| 01:04.51 | markybob | opal, testing support is on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
| 01:04.56 | markybob | opal, no |
| 01:04.57 | opal | ah |
| 01:05.02 | opal | so i am using testing? |
| 01:05.05 | opal | i'll move to that channel |
| 01:05.35 | opal | thanks |
| 01:06.26 | TomTomTosch | and finish your upgrade, if you didn't do that ;D |
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| 01:38.48 | Rn86 | anyone know where i can find libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil ? |
| 01:40.44 | TomTomTosch | ,v libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil |
| 01:40.45 | judd | Package: libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.7-5.1; squeeze-security: 2.6.7-5.1; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6.7-5.1+deb6u2; wheezy: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; jessie: 3.2.8+dfsg-10 |
| 01:41.13 | TomTomTosch | Rn86, it's in the repo :D |
| 01:41.42 | Rn86 | i must have the wrong repo; i try apt-get install and it did not work |
| 01:42.11 | TomTomTosch | what does aptitude search libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil say? |
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| 01:42.48 | Rn86 | let me give that a try |
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| 01:44.34 | Rn86 | ok, i have synaptic installed, so when i run that, it launches Synaptic Package Manager but it sasys "no package is selected" |
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| 01:46.29 | TomTomTosch | you can just copy the command i gave into a terminal. |
| 01:46.47 | TomTomTosch | i have no idea about synaptic. |
| 01:46.53 | Rn86 | then in synaptic i search "libmono" and i see "libmono-2.0-1" |
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| 01:48.59 | TomTomTosch | right... |
| 01:49.00 | markybob | Rn86, i don't know synaptic either. a lot of us don't. but what TomTomTosch said should work |
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| 01:49.16 | markybob | Rn86, we're old terminal folks |
| 01:49.40 | Rn86 | gotcha :) i don't have aptitude installed, so let me install that first |
| 01:50.02 | TomTomTosch | aptitude is std in debian :P |
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| 01:50.52 | TomTomTosch | just copy that command above into a terminal already ;D |
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| 01:53.03 | TomTomTosch | markybob, speak for yourself, i'm a new terminal folk :P |
| 01:53.19 | markybob | sorry :P |
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| 01:56.00 | Rn86 | ok, it's only finding libmono-system-runtime4.0-cil , the 4.0, airvpn package needs the 2.0.... |
| 01:56.38 | TomTomTosch | rly, so what does lsb_release -a say? ;D |
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| 01:59.07 | Rn86 | distrib. Kali, Desc. Linux Rolling / Release Kali-rolling / Codename kali-rolling |
| 01:59.20 | markybob | Rn86, that doesn't work here. it's not supported |
| 01:59.21 | markybob | !kali |
| 01:59.21 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 01:59.56 | markybob | Rn86, so your best bet is joining #kali-linux and asking them |
| 02:00.08 | Rn86 | that's fair |
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| 02:01.14 | gzeus | Hello, after doing some searching and reading of manpages I've made little progress with this: How does one know if they're using the latest microcode for an Intel processor? |
| 02:01.42 | gzeus | /proc/cpuinfo shows "0x39" but I don't know what that means in this context :\ |
| 02:01.45 | Rn86 | thanks guys :) |
| 02:01.54 | markybob | gzeus, apt-get update && apt-get install intel-microcode |
| 02:01.55 | TomTomTosch | you can install the microcode package i guess. |
| 02:02.06 | gzeus | done that. |
| 02:02.13 | markybob | gzeus, so you've got the latest |
| 02:02.23 | turbo64 | i noticed the main page of debian.org doesnt have the word "linux" anywhere on it |
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| 02:02.31 | turbo64 | which is kind of odd |
| 02:02.42 | gzeus | turbo64: well, you can use at least one other kernel |
| 02:02.54 | turbo64 | its the same with the ubuntu website |
| 02:03.01 | markybob | gzeus, right. there's hurd and bsd |
| 02:03.07 | markybob | turbo64, ^^ |
| 02:03.16 | gzeus | markybob: TomTomTosch: well, that's good to know. Guess that's not what's causing the crashes/locks I've been having. |
| 02:03.44 | turbo64 | I'd just like to interject for a moment. What youâre referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as Iâve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. |
| 02:03.50 | markybob | gzeus, are you using testing? |
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| 02:04.09 | markybob | turbo64, debian isn't linux. |
| 02:04.11 | gzeus | markybob: with a few packages from unstable |
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| 02:04.32 | gzeus | turbo64: this copypasta trolling isn't very helpful to anyone. |
| 02:04.40 | markybob | gzeus, then you might find better help in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is where testing/unstable help is available per /topic |
| 02:04.43 | WangDang_ | The last couple of times I've opened a powerpoint by clicking on it, Libreoffice has opened with its title bar, menu bar and first tool bar off the top of the screen. There is nothing for me to grab to move the window. Googling has only turned up old issues (2003, 2011) that don't seem related. Anyone know what might be causing this, or how to avoid it? jessie xfce |
| 02:04.53 | TomTomTosch | n86, are you argueing woth yourself? :D |
| 02:04.54 | gzeus | markybob: dankie. Will do |
| 02:05.11 | TomTomTosch | *turbo64 ^ |
| 02:05.55 | turbo64 | WangDang_: try a different de |
| 02:05.59 | turbo64 | xfce is extremely buggy |
| 02:06.09 | markybob | turbo64, ha |
| 02:06.12 | turbo64 | and development on it has mostly halted |
| 02:06.26 | markybob | turbo64, 4.12 was recently released. where do you get your info? |
| 02:06.36 | gzeus | I'm gonna make popcorn for this. |
| 02:07.03 | TomTomTosch | markybob, from whereever trolls arise. |
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| 02:07.33 | turbo64 | is there a way to make gtk3 apps not look hideous |
| 02:07.47 | markybob | turbo64, yes. install gtk runtime on windows |
| 02:07.57 | markybob | turbo64, two can play this game |
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| 02:08.22 | turbo64 | !ops |
| 02:08.22 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 02:08.27 | gzeus | ah, so others like to be billy goats as well. I'll just spectate this time. |
| 02:08.49 | gzeus | "Misuse of tis will lead to a ban." |
| 02:08.51 | turbo64 | !ops markybob is trolling |
| 02:08.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: turbo64 complains about: markybob is trolling |
| 02:08.55 | gzeus | *this* |
| 02:08.57 | markybob | ha |
| 02:09.06 | markybob | turbo64, the ops know me. sorry. |
| 02:09.15 | gzeus | oh, when people forget that there is a backscroll. |
| 02:09.19 | TomTomTosch | !ops turbo64 trolling |
| 02:09.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomtosch complains about: turbo64 trolling |
| 02:09.31 | TomTomTosch | ah well :3 |
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| 02:09.47 | turbo64 | i have it so gtk2 apps and qt4/qt5 apps are all using the same theme |
| 02:09.52 | turbo64 | but gtk3 apps cant get down with that |
| 02:10.06 | turbo64 | and just sort of turn into a big broken mess |
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| 02:11.34 | gzeus | "I had my house painted blue, but my car is still orange. I can't deal with this" |
| 02:11.53 | gzeus | oops, but I bet they get highlighted accidentally often |
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| 02:16.18 | TomTomTosch | WangDang_: no idea about fixing the issue, but there are some xfce keyboard shortcuts for moving windows. might help you if you can't grab on with the mouse. |
| 02:18.26 | TomTomTosch | WangDang_: you can find them Settings > Window Manager > Keyboard or Settings > Keyboard > Shortcuts. |
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| 02:21.32 | gzeus | welp, thanks for the help. but as the show seems to be over, I'll be on my way. Peace. |
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| 02:25.50 | StaticLink | Hello |
| 02:26.01 | StaticLink | I compiled the program with "-Wl,-rpath,$ORIGIN/lib -lSDL2main -lSDL2 -lSDL2_image -lSDL2_mixer -lSDL2_ttf -lSDL2_net -Wl,-Bdynamic". Then I took the binary and put it in the same directory with a folder named lib which contained the libSDL2.so file. It didn't work though. I am trying to make my program have SDL2 with it so that the user doesn't have to install SDL2 themselves. Instead the program is saying that "libSDL2-2.0.so.0" |
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| 03:15.50 | angell | whats a good free cpanel alternative for debian? |
| 03:16.03 | angell | doesn't have to do miracles |
| 03:16.10 | angell | just be stable and get the job done |
| 03:16.37 | angell | I've searched on google, but I always like asking other people for their opinion |
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| 03:19.16 | markybob | angell, there really isn't one |
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| 03:19.53 | angell | markybob: well... if you had to choose one. |
| 03:20.05 | markybob | angell, i wouldn't |
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| 03:21.11 | angell | markybob: so your client wants an admin panel for hosting his websites on his vps, doesn't want to buy cpanel... what do you do? |
| 03:21.33 | markybob | angell, i buy cpanel and take the hit in fees |
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| 03:21.50 | angell | markybob: I'm in Mexico... my fees are less than the cost of cpanel |
| 03:22.19 | markybob | angell, well...then i don't know what you should do. i don't know of an even "okay" alternative that's free |
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| 03:22.53 | angell | VestaCP? Kloxo? |
| 03:23.00 | angell | I've heard those names tossed around |
| 03:23.34 | angell | Virtualmin/Webmin I think dreamhost uses this one |
| 03:24.22 | angell | for time being |
| 03:24.33 | angell | I would rather setup this vps via ssh |
| 03:24.47 | angell | but I don't know if thats dumb because I have to install a panel anyways |
| 03:25.17 | cjbayliss | angell: I guess setup different alternative control panels on a server you own and see if one of them has all the features your client needs. |
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| 03:28.24 | angell | cjbayliss: not really very many features: domain management, ftp accounts, email accounts, |
| 03:29.05 | markybob | angell, there really isn't anything good. which presents an opportunity if you want to program it yourself |
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| 03:29.34 | angell | markybob: if I knew more about linux, I would. |
| 03:29.39 | markybob | angell, ah |
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| 03:30.36 | markybob | angell, so then i have to ask. you're selling linux hosting with some kind of panel and you don't know linux very well? why would someone buy from you? not trying to be a jerk...seriously? why not dreamhost with cpanel? |
| 03:30.50 | angell | markybob: No I don't sell vps |
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| 03:31.04 | angell | markybob: I am a PHP programmer, I had setup my client with shared hosting on dreamhost |
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| 03:31.23 | markybob | angell, oh. i thought you were trying to set something up for clients |
| 03:32.12 | Wagaaa | Hi,everyone! |
| 03:32.20 | angell | markybob: I am... let me explain. My client has been going from shared hosting to shared hosting. They have outgrown a shared hosting service. Now they want a vps. Since I'm the only tech guy they can afford... they give me the chance to learn how to do things on the job... |
| 03:32.47 | angell | markybob: originally I wanted to do everything via ssh... and I got close, but I don't know where to go from where I am at the moment |
| 03:33.26 | angell | markybob: I need to host multiple sites (with different domains on the vps). Currently using just the vps ip, once everything is up an running, will redirect domains correctly. |
| 03:33.36 | markybob | angell, okay. then ask how to fix the real problems. not web/gui stuff. how to do it properly, manually |
| 03:34.16 | angell | markybob: well I followed a good lengthy tutorial on how to secure the server, so thats covered. Now I need to figure out how to setup the server to handle more than one site, etc |
| 03:34.25 | cjbayliss | angell: learning how to do it via ssh is going to be a lot easier, both sort and long term. |
| 03:34.42 | angell | cjbayliss, markybob can you help me? |
| 03:34.52 | markybob | angell, i use linode for all of my vps's. they have great docs. https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/apache/apache-web-server-debian-8 |
| 03:34.57 | cjbayliss | angell: this also may help if you can afford it: https://linuxacademy.com/ |
| 03:35.26 | markybob | angell, also https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/lamp/lamp-on-debian-8-jessie |
| 03:35.44 | angell | markybob: does it matter if I am using debian 7? |
| 03:36.00 | markybob | angell, yes. debian 8's apache is *far* different. upgrade first |
| 03:36.11 | angell | how do I upgrade? |
| 03:36.34 | markybob | !tell angell about wheezy->jessie |
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| 03:36.51 | markybob | angell, the bot just told you |
| 03:37.17 | cjbayliss | angell: also https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html |
| 03:38.11 | cjbayliss | angell: and: https://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 03:39.20 | angell | cjbayliss: ok... time to backup first |
| 03:39.49 | angell | cjbayliss: does it matter if this is a vps and debian 8 was not in the list of OS to install on it? |
| 03:40.30 | markybob | angell, no |
| 03:40.48 | markybob | angell, i did the same with linode. they had 7 and i upgraded to 8 |
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| 03:42.57 | mefistofeles | my touchpad is not working after a suspend/resume, already tried reloading psmouse and hid_multitouch modules without success, any ideas what else could I do? |
| 03:46.01 | markybob | mefistofeles, have you tried the touchpad key? usually it's f3 |
| 03:46.02 | Wagaaa | How to make the system automatically set DHCP when the system start? |
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| 03:46.59 | markybob | Wagaaa, follow https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 03:48.28 | dvs | both "auto" and "allow-hotplug"? I thought it was either one or the other. |
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| 03:49.24 | mefistofeles | markybob: yes, tried that already |
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| 03:49.31 | Wagaaa | Thank youï¼ |
| 03:50.44 | TheCoffeMaker | mefistofeles, did you install the laptop mode package? |
| 03:51.24 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: no |
| 03:51.30 | TheCoffeMaker | mefistofeles, try that |
| 03:51.39 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: do I need it? I see a laptop-mode-tools package |
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| 03:52.30 | TheCoffeMaker | try it ... if it doesn't work just go back ... my laptop starts working right after that package |
| 03:52.36 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: didn't work |
| 03:53.03 | markybob | mefistofeles, you have to log out x and back in for it to do anything |
| 03:53.12 | mefistofeles | markybob: I have to reboot completely |
| 03:53.24 | markybob | mefistofeles, so do it |
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| 03:53.47 | TheCoffeMaker | mefistofeles, we will wait for u :) |
| 03:54.01 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: it's another computer :P |
| 03:54.03 | dvs | hides |
| 03:54.05 | markybob | even though he really doesn't |
| 03:54.17 | TheCoffeMaker | anyway .. wich touchpad are you using? |
| 03:54.31 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: asus multitouch one, it's an asus k455l |
| 03:54.38 | TheCoffeMaker | lsusb |
| 03:54.41 | mefistofeles | xinput --list doesn't list it |
| 03:55.12 | TheCoffeMaker | mefistofeles, try with lsusb |
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| 03:55.27 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: lsusb doesn't show it either |
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| 03:56.00 | mefistofeles | I tried upgrading kernel to 4.3.x and it didn't change anything (other than wifi stopped working) |
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| 03:57.44 | TheCoffeMaker | mefistofeles, but ... does it work ? |
| 03:57.48 | TheCoffeMaker | at all? |
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| 03:58.19 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: yes, of course, it fails only after suspend/resume |
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| 03:59.49 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: oh, just found something interesting |
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| 04:00.03 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: xinput --list does show the touchpad, but after suspend/resume it stops showing it |
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| 04:00.28 | frexm | a |
| 04:00.34 | TheCoffeMaker | mefistofeles, what is the syslog output while you do that? |
| 04:00.52 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: after resume? |
| 04:01.13 | TheCoffeMaker | yes |
| 04:01.17 | mefistofeles | let me check |
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| 04:01.44 | TheCoffeMaker | let a console open with sudo tail -500f /var/log/syslog |
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| 04:02.44 | grabbizle | I have a question regarding package inter-relationships. I am checking the package list on the debian website and below a package I see a small list of other packages that are either marked "depend","recommended", etc. |
| 04:03.41 | grabbizle | With those marked depend, would this signify that there is a dependance between the sublist of packages and the selected package? |
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| 04:06.48 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: I sent a private msg, btw |
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| 04:09.39 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: btw, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1504445 |
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| 04:14.18 | TheCoffeMaker | mefistofeles, is the same Vendor and product? |
| 04:14.39 | TheCoffeMaker | mefistofeles, totally forgot abt /proc |
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| 04:16.15 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: yes, it is the same |
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| 04:18.09 | TheCoffeMaker | mefistofeles, which kernel version are you runing ? |
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| 04:18.28 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: debian jessie stock 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 04:19.22 | TheCoffeMaker | mefistofeles, try with something more spicy |
| 04:19.27 | mefistofeles | I think the only option I have left is upgrading BIOS, which I'd probably need to make a windows partition to do that :S |
| 04:19.38 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: I tried 4.3.x from backports and the same issue |
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| 04:21.25 | TheCoffeMaker | mefistofeles, the DIY way? and will not have to see a bsodffcoff ... sory a windows² |
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| 04:23.14 | TheCoffeMaker | mefistofeles, think that this will helpyou https://linuxconfig.org/building-kernels-the-debian-way ... and compile the version that you need |
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| 04:24.17 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: I don't know what version I need, I heard only one opinion of someone having luck with 4.2.0, but I already tried 4.3 (which should have the 4.2 fixes) without luck |
| 04:25.07 | mefistofeles | and having a custom kernel breaks the broadcom wifi :S |
| 04:25.17 | mefistofeles | well, from apt, that is |
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| 04:27.44 | mefistofeles | I think I'm going to try updating the BIOS first, I think I can do it without windows |
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| 04:28.56 | TheCoffeMaker | mefistofeles, good luck |
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| 04:29.24 | mefistofeles | TheCoffeMaker: thanks for your help |
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| 04:40.26 | angell | Ok... so I'm trying to update from debian 7 to debian 8 |
| 04:40.30 | angell | got this error |
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| 04:40.40 | angell | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
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| 04:41.28 | angell | udev : Breaks: plymouth (< 0.9.0-7) but 0.8.5.1-5 is to be installed |
| 04:42.08 | hiexpo | better off to do a fresh install |
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| 04:48.31 | angell | hiexpo: on a vps... thats what I am trying to do |
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| 04:49.31 | mefistofeles | angell: did you run an upgrade inside debian 7? to get the latest state of debian 7 |
| 04:49.42 | angell | mefistofeles: yes |
| 04:49.48 | angell | mefistofeles: big no no no? |
| 04:49.56 | mefistofeles | angell: no, that's ok |
| 04:50.02 | mefistofeles | that's the recommended thing to do |
| 04:50.13 | mefistofeles | angell: also, if it's a vps why would you need plymouth? :S |
| 04:50.28 | angell | mefistofeles: I don't know. I guess it was already installed |
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| 04:52.17 | angell | mefistofeles: how do I get rid of it? |
| 04:52.35 | mefistofeles | angell: remove it with apt |
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| 04:54.47 | angell | mefistofeles: that seem to do it =) |
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| 05:00.32 | angell | Ok... I am now theoritically on Debian 8 |
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| 05:16.44 | klys | hey, I have a newer debian system with the sysv-rc package installed. It doesn't seem like sysvinit's old ways to me though. I need some help with this. |
| 05:18.14 | klys | I was reading in /etc/init.d/rc and I have a few .depend files (what is this?) in /etc/init.d that change how the script operates. |
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| 05:19.17 | warsh | I'm looking to install debian on my macbook pro but am missing some firmware (b43/ucode29_mimo.fw). Where can I obtain the necessary files? |
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| 05:19.54 | klys | warsh, the linux kernel sources should compile the firmware with `make firmware_install'. |
| 05:20.42 | warsh | I should specify that it's non-free firmware |
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| 05:22.47 | somiaj | warsh: debian provides a lot of the non-free firmware. |
| 05:22.53 | tachibana | this update is taking forever |
| 05:23.16 | somiaj | warsh: but it sounds like you have the bf43 wifi card? Do you happen to have a wired connenction you can use to install the firmware (the bf43 firmware is the one that is the biggest pain to install) |
| 05:24.01 | angell | how do you delete all the files and folders of a directory, excluding one directory? |
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| 05:24.44 | somiaj | angell: move the one directory out of the way then delete? |
| 05:24.58 | angell | somiaj: I guess that is one way to go about it |
| 05:25.01 | klys | angell, rm `find /path/to -type f | egrep -v exclusion`; rmdir `find /path/to -type d` |
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| 05:25.07 | warsh | if it's easier to first install debian with a wired connection and then install the firmware, I'll do that |
| 05:26.28 | somiaj | angell: you can also use find, or shell wild cards to match/exclude ceratin things. But in the case there is one directory you want, just move it out of the way seems easiest to me (as opposed to trying to write a way to match all but that one directory) |
| 05:26.40 | Rusty1 | if its a bcm4311 or 4318, install firmware-b43-installler |
| 05:27.10 | klys | somiaj, can you help with sysv-rc |
| 05:27.10 | somiaj | warsh: the bf43 firmware can be installed from debian-nonfree. Problem is debian cannot provide the firmware. Debian only provides scripts to automatically install the firmware. Hence if you have a wired connenction just install the package Rusty1 mentioned from non-free |
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| 05:27.21 | somiaj | klys: running jessie? What kinda of help are you wanting? |
| 05:27.58 | klys | somiaj, I want to run a basic script to mount a volume and probe some modules within the boot sequence. |
| 05:28.57 | tachibana | wtf unrecognized entry tcp |
| 05:29.36 | warsh | yep, it's a 4331 chipset |
| 05:29.38 | somiaj | klys: I almost wonder if you have an XY problem. Any reason you don't have the modules in /lib/modules-ver/ and jsut use /etc/modules? Why are they living on a seperate volume? |
| 05:29.56 | klys | somiaj, nothing fits |
| 05:31.10 | somiaj | klys: well what issues are you having. Have you looked up LSB init scripts? |
| 05:31.50 | klys | somiaj, I see it wants an lsb init script, and I'm not sure, where to look or even start |
| 05:32.49 | somiaj | klys: /etc/init.d/skeleton could be a place to start. You can also read up on LSB scripts in the debian wiki. |
| 05:33.11 | somiaj | klys: I don't know that much about them but I do know they 1) have a header that tells about boot order/dependencies used by update-rc.d |
| 05:33.26 | somiaj | klys: 2) the script has to accept standard commands like start/stop/reload/status |
| 05:33.39 | klys | somiaj, can I remove the commments? |
| 05:34.14 | somiaj | provided they are actual comments (not part of the header) |
| 05:34.18 | klys | my new script won't have a clear purpose |
| 05:34.28 | somiaj | the header is commented out. That needs to be there. But additional comments are optional like in any code. |
| 05:34.51 | somiaj | the LSB header is used to help figure out where in the boot sequence to run the script |
| 05:35.09 | klys | okay |
| 05:36.15 | klys | start at 2 and stop at 6 |
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| 05:37.13 | somiaj | klys: are you running jessie? Just someone who prefers sysvinit over systemd? |
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| 05:37.59 | klys | running sid, been using systemd for months, not sure what to think |
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| 05:38.24 | somiaj | klys: then you probabaly should write a systemd .service or unit file. If you are running systemd best learn how to do this with systemd. |
| 05:38.37 | somiaj | systemd will be compadable with the LSB script, but it will probabaly work better with a unit file. |
| 05:39.01 | klys | somiaj, I told it to switch to sysvinit earlier |
| 05:39.16 | klys | I don't want something that won't work with sysvinit iow. |
| 05:39.45 | somiaj | alrighty, your call. Just double checking. |
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| 05:41.34 | klys | somiaj, if I blank out Default-stop is there a problem |
| 05:41.52 | klys | hmm I suppose not |
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| 05:42.13 | klys | okay, will reboot |
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| 05:42.32 | shortCircuit__ | hi |
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| 05:43.42 | shortCircuit__ | I installed apt-transport-https 1.0.9.8.2_amd64 and now I can't open my localhost |
| 05:43.46 | shortCircuit__ | plz halp |
| 05:44.13 | klys | somiaj, it wouldn't run my script at runlevel 2. |
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| 05:45.24 | somiaj | klys: update-rc.d defaults scriptname |
| 05:45.44 | somiaj | klys: the script only lives in /etc/init.d/ you ahve to put the links for it to actually be run. |
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| 05:46.21 | klys | I did and you got a usage message |
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| 05:47.17 | somiaj | klys: sorry backwards (to use to systemctl). update-rc.d scriptname defaults |
| 05:47.19 | klys | sysv-rc 2.88dsf-59.2 |
| 05:48.00 | klys | will reboot |
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| 05:48.30 | glassresistor | does anyone know why aptitude(and apt-get) download all of the packages and then installs everything |
| 05:49.08 | shortCircuit__ | I uninstalled but still can't access localhost |
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| 05:50.10 | klys | somiaj, still nothing |
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| 05:50.35 | somiaj | glassresistor: that is just how it works. apt first goes and gets all the packages it needs. It then calls dpkg to do the installing once it has all the packages available locally. |
| 05:50.49 | klys | oic |
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| 05:52.30 | somiaj | glassresistor: so apt really doesn't install/manage packages. It figures out dependencies and a) downloads required packages b) calls dpkg (the package manager) to do the actuall install. And to me it seems reasonable to want to have all the packages locally before starting the install. |
| 05:54.57 | klys | I had to say $DAEMON, somiaj, thanks. |
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| 05:56.56 | klys | shortcircuit, ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 |
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| 06:08.55 | uberdub | easy one \ |
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| 06:09.08 | uberdub | whats the name of the most recent kernel in backports? |
| 06:09.20 | somiaj | !kernels |
| 06:09.25 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 06:09.25 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.5-rc4, stable 4.4: 4.4.1, stable 4.3: 4.3.5, longterm 4.1: 4.1.18, longterm 3.18: 3.18.27, longterm 3.14: 3.14.60, longterm 3.12: 3.12.54, longterm 3.10: 3.10.96, longterm 3.4: 3.4.110, longterm 3.2: 3.2.77, longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.70, linux-next: next-20160216 |
| 06:09.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-trunk-686-pae (4.4.1-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-7~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
| 06:10.00 | somiaj | uberdub: if you install the kenrel linux-image-amd64 (swithc amd64 to the actual arch/basee kernel you are using) it will automatically install the most recent kernel from backports (install the meat package from backports) |
| 06:10.01 | uberdub | I mean the package |
| 06:10.10 | somiaj | looks like you can get 4.3 from backports |
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| 06:10.14 | uberdub | ok |
| 06:10.21 | somiaj | I'd just install the metapackage. Other wise use apt-cache search linux-image-4.3 |
| 06:10.50 | uberdub | so apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64? |
| 06:11.10 | somiaj | yes |
| 06:11.14 | somiaj | provided you are using amd64 |
| 06:11.55 | uberdub | cool thanks |
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| 06:34.49 | angell | should www-data be the owner of all files and folder of /var/www ? |
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| 06:36.33 | somiaj | angell: depends on design of your server. www-data should be able to read all the files/folders, but doesn't need to own it. |
| 06:36.52 | angell | somiaj: just trying to host a bunch of websites |
| 06:36.55 | angell | somiaj: on a vps |
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| 06:38.00 | somiaj | angell: www-data just ahs to be able to read the files, you can make the owner whoever you want for your adiminstration design |
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| 06:39.11 | angell | somiaj: hmm did an ls -l on my www folder... owner and group is root... that doesn't sound right |
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| 06:39.59 | somiaj | angell: that will be the default |
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| 06:40.25 | somiaj | angell: if you want to have a user manage a certain VirtualDomain you will have to give tha tuser permsions to do so. |
| 06:40.34 | somiaj | (it is a common thing to do, but by default debian just puts it in roots name) |
| 06:40.47 | angell | somiaj: how would I add another user? |
| 06:41.42 | somiaj | angell: I use adduser and then chmod to give them ownership of the directory |
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| 06:42.00 | angell | somiaj: I do have php scripts that create files |
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| 06:42.12 | angell | somiaj: so I think www-data needs to also be able to read and write correct? |
| 06:42.57 | somiaj | angell: not write, only read (you shoudl'nt let www-data have write permsions unless it is a very paticular directory you want people to be able to upload files to) |
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| 06:43.50 | angell | somiaj: some folders are collector folders for users to upload files (mainly proof of purchase files) |
| 06:44.13 | angell | somiaj: also, some temp files are written before being sent to the client |
| 06:44.37 | somiaj | but these folders shoudl be speical. Depending on the design you can either give www-data write privalges or just make them 777. |
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| 06:45.36 | angell | somiaj: what group should the /var/www folder belong to? |
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| 06:46.07 | somiaj | angell: depends on how you admine these sites |
| 06:46.26 | somiaj | angell: I would make it username.username of the user who is goign to manage the site. |
| 06:46.44 | angell | somiaj: ok... so each site should have its own user |
| 06:47.34 | somiaj | angell: again depends. If you have a single webadmin managing multiple domains, he should be the owner of all the domains he maganages. |
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| 06:47.54 | somiaj | i.e. these questions are not about what is right for your webserver. These questions are about security and adminstration of the users on your system. |
| 06:48.09 | angell | somiaj: that sounds like a more simple route. Since all these sites are part of a conglomerate, managed by the same person, I think it makes sense to use that scheme. |
| 06:48.39 | somiaj | I would say root.root is bad, because you don't want to have to use root privalages to copy the new files into the server when a normal user could do this. |
| 06:48.47 | awal1 | I see "manhole twisted client" entrie in menu. No idea about what is that exactly. it opens a windows asking username and pass. Seem its a python related? |
| 06:48.49 | somiaj | but beyond that, it is about the design of your users. |
| 06:49.15 | angell | somiaj: I don't know how to design servers as you have seen. I'm a in a tunnel with nothing but a match |
| 06:49.22 | somiaj | awal1: grep manhole /usr/share/menu/* (can at least figure out which package is putting it there...assuming this is for the old menu system) |
| 06:49.47 | somiaj | angell: keep it simple. (: |
| 06:49.50 | angell | somiaj: so... I want my user to administrate all the sites (for convenience, and because, the same person is doing that job anyways) |
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| 06:50.16 | angell | somiaj: the owner of /var/www and all sub files and folders should be myuser.myuser |
| 06:50.18 | angell | somiaj: to achieve this |
| 06:50.22 | angell | somiaj: correct? |
| 06:51.00 | somiaj | angell: correct |
| 06:51.45 | awal1 | somiaj, thanks again. it's 'python-twisted' related. thanks ;) |
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| 06:52.57 | angell | somiaj: so... do I add www-data into my user group so that php can write files? |
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| 06:53.24 | uberdub | how do I find out if im using the latest iwlwifi? |
| 06:53.41 | uberdub | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.50 | uberdub | I put -14 in there |
| 06:54.06 | somiaj | angell: unsure what is common practice here. But I wouldn't. And most documentation just makes the directory you upload things into 777 (maybe put the sticky bit on it) |
| 06:54.33 | angell | somiaj: sticky bit? |
| 06:54.41 | uberdub | I got a bunch of .ucode in there |
| 06:54.42 | somiaj | uberdub: apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi (will tell you what version is installed, and what is avaiable, so it will tell you if there is a newer version in backports (Which there is) |
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| 06:55.18 | uberdub | I downloaded 7260-14 into there |
| 06:55.19 | somiaj | angell: it is a bit you can put in the file permisions. It allows multiple people to write to a directory, but won't allow anyone who isn't the owner to delete files |
| 06:55.27 | uberdub | thats most current |
| 06:55.46 | somiaj | uberdub: I would use the ones from debian, they may better match the kernel. If using the backport kernel, use the firmware package from backports. |
| 06:56.00 | somiaj | you can use the one directly from intel, but depending on the card/kernel you may get a conflict. |
| 06:56.24 | uberdub | says installed 0.43 |
| 06:56.34 | uberdub | ?? |
| 06:56.37 | angell | somiaj: wouldn't it be better to run apache from my user group? |
| 06:56.48 | angell | somiaj: my user I mean, sorry |
| 06:57.07 | somiaj | angell: you are getting into territory I don't know what 'better' would be. The few setups I have seen don't. |
| 06:57.22 | somiaj | ,v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 06:57.23 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20151207-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1 |
| 06:57.32 | angell | somiaj: what kind of work do you do with debian? |
| 06:57.43 | somiaj | uberdub: I'd get the one from backports since didn't you install a kernel from backports? |
| 06:57.52 | uberdub | yeah I did |
| 06:57.55 | uberdub | hmmm |
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| 06:58.05 | uberdub | whats package name? |
| 06:58.14 | somiaj | angell: desktop hobbiest mostly. Support. Been running debian for 15 or so years. I have dabbled a little bit with different servers and configuration but haven't ever done much in production. |
| 06:58.21 | somiaj | uberdub: firmware-iwlwifi |
| 06:58.28 | somiaj | uberdub: you may need to enable non-free to get it |
| 06:58.42 | themill | uberdub: something like «aptitude upgrade -t jessie-backports '~nfirmware~i'» |
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| 06:59.43 | uberdub | I xee |
| 06:59.45 | uberdub | see* |
| 06:59.58 | uberdub | I did that but installed the jessie one |
| 06:59.59 | uberdub | oops |
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| 07:01.11 | uberdub | aptitude upgrade -t jessie-backports firmware-iwlwifi ? |
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| 07:03.57 | uberdub | nope, that sisnt work |
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| 07:06.05 | themill | dpkg: tell uberdub about bat |
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| 07:08.00 | uberdub | .... |
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| 07:08.22 | uberdub | yeah...I knew that alreasy |
| 07:08.29 | uberdub | thanks for the pop up tho |
| 07:08.50 | themill | great -- so do we get to see some output? |
| 07:09.03 | uberdub | hold on |
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| 07:09.51 | uberdub | im jutg getting no packages to install |
| 07:09.54 | uberdub | ill pastebin |
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| 07:11.30 | uberdub | http://pastebin.com/RahFrC2B |
| 07:11.58 | themill | and the rest? |
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| 07:13.39 | uberdub | http://pastebin.com/cPfxCxxf |
| 07:13.53 | somiaj | uberdub: try install over upgrade. Also output of 'apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi' |
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| 07:14.31 | somiaj | why are you mixing wheezy and jessie? |
| 07:14.44 | uberdub | idk |
| 07:14.49 | uberdub | I didnt know I was |
| 07:14.54 | themill | uberdub: you also don't have 'non-free' for backports |
| 07:15.01 | uberdub | ahh crap |
| 07:15.22 | uberdub | ugh |
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| 07:16.14 | uberdub | http://pastebin.com/gWw73GdY |
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| 07:16.35 | themill | uberdub: please use a less broken pastebin |
| 07:16.50 | uberdub | broken? |
| 07:16.59 | themill | !pastebin.com |
| 07:17.00 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 07:17.23 | uberdub | ..... |
| 07:17.33 | somiaj | uberdub: you need to add non-free to your jessie-backport sources. You should also remove the wheezy sources (provided you have fully upgraded from wheezy->jessie (if not make sure you are fully upgradeD) |
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| 07:18.19 | uberdub | http://paste.debian.net/390912/ |
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| 07:19.12 | uberdub | and where do I find out how to do that? |
| 07:19.15 | themill | (still missing non-free for jessie-backports) |
| 07:19.30 | themill | same place you got the information about backports from |
| 07:19.30 | uberdub | .... |
| 07:19.45 | uberdub | all this just to see what version im running? |
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| 07:20.07 | themill | no, you need to enable non-free for jessie-backports |
| 07:20.21 | themill | (like somiaj said 20 minutes ago) |
| 07:20.25 | uberdub | dude |
| 07:20.40 | uberdub | I can read |
| 07:21.25 | uberdub | I cant do five things at once and keep reading your comments saying the same thing over and over |
| 07:21.31 | uberdub | I know |
| 07:21.35 | uberdub | thanks |
| 07:21.50 | uberdub | sorry its not fast enough for you |
| 07:22.25 | somiaj | uberdub: that isn't it. We pointed you in the right direction. Modify you sources.list, add non-free (and maybe contrib) to your jessie-backports source. And remove wheezy sources. And hopefully you are fully upgraded. |
| 07:22.40 | uberdub | what isnt it? |
| 07:23.01 | uberdub | I know how to edit sources |
| 07:23.08 | uberdub | not my first rodeo |
| 07:23.16 | themill | please just go and do it then |
| 07:23.26 | uberdub | I dont need someone shoving it down my throat |
| 07:23.33 | themill | *sigh* |
| 07:23.38 | uberdub | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:23.50 | uberdub | bye bye themill |
| 07:23.53 | themill | You expected us to have a crystal ball, we didn't, we finally got some output and we provided you with an answer. |
| 07:24.02 | uberdub | I was probably running linux before you were born |
| 07:24.04 | themill | I don't know why that took so long or so much anger. |
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| 07:27.46 | uberdub | I dont have anything for wheezy in sources.list |
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| 07:31.32 | somiaj | uberdub: your apt-cache policy says you do. Check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 07:33.15 | uberdub | ok |
| 07:33.16 | uberdub | thanks |
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| 07:39.17 | uberdub | ok, done |
| 07:39.31 | uberdub | I hope it helps with power consumption |
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| 07:41.54 | tachibana | how is ubuntu not racist |
| 07:42.15 | uberdub | ? |
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| 07:42.33 | uberdub | lol, how is everything not racist? |
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| 07:43.49 | angell | I followed this tutorial: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/lamp/lamp-on-debian-8-jessie |
| 07:43.56 | angell | now... how do I get my domains working? |
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| 07:44.56 | somiaj | angell: what webserver? configure it in /etc |
| 07:45.05 | angell | somiaj: apache |
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| 07:45.37 | somiaj | angell: look in /etc/apache, though it likes to split up the config files. It uses the directoires sites-avaiable and sites-enabled to configure additional VituralDomains |
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| 07:45.53 | angell | somiaj: I configured those |
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| 07:46.11 | angell | somiaj: but now what do I do with my domains on my registrar? what name servers should they point to? |
| 07:46.13 | somiaj | then restart apapche. |
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| 07:46.24 | somiaj | point at the ip on the server you want to use |
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| 07:48.03 | angell | somiaj: oh cool! just like that? |
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| 07:48.27 | tachibana | ubuntu racist |
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| 07:48.38 | angell | somiaj: ns1.myip & ns2.myip? |
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| 07:48.51 | somiaj | the apache server will correctly point the right domain the VirtualDomain directory. |
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| 07:49.10 | angell | somiaj: awesome! gettting close to finishing this |
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| 07:49.25 | uberdub | ugh |
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| 07:49.33 | uberdub | its using even more power now |
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| 07:51.36 | uberdub | hmmm, new kernel seems to be using everything else more efficiently now |
| 07:51.50 | uberdub | so actually getting better battery life |
| 07:52.20 | uberdub | iwlwifi is actually about 1 w more than before tho |
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| 07:53.09 | uberdub | it is a pretty darn fast card tho |
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| 08:08.33 | jim87 | hello! I've got a problem with vi and gnome-terminal: keyboard commands (backspace etc) act weirdly... is it a known issue? for instance, in insert mode, backspace changes the cursor position |
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| 08:10.59 | Stummi | jim87, just a guess into the dark: Are you sshing into a remote machine which may not have gnome terminals terminfo? |
| 08:11.19 | jim87 | nope, just local TTY |
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| 08:12.09 | tachibana | if its got US equipment then its owned |
| 08:12.32 | babilen | What's your TERM ? Which version of gnome-terminal do you use? |
| 08:12.54 | babilen | tachibana: Please, keep that to #conspiracy |
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| 08:13.10 | tachibana | China tapped more, of course |
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| 08:13.23 | babilen | I'm serious |
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| 08:13.52 | tite12345 | Hi guys |
| 08:14.07 | tite12345 | Is it just me or sometimes Basket just completely removes/trashes all of my notes? |
| 08:14.21 | tachibana | its using even more power now |
| 08:14.28 | tite12345 | tachibana: What? |
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| 08:14.46 | jim87 | babilen: xterm and 3.14.1 |
| 08:14.48 | babilen | tachibana: Please don't |
| 08:15.04 | tachibana | what |
| 08:15.11 | babilen | jim87: Does it change if you run "export TERM=gnome-256color" ? |
| 08:15.41 | babilen | tachibana: This is a technical support channel. Please refrain from offtopic comments so that we can concentrate on work in here. |
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| 08:19.11 | angell | somiaj: thanks for your help somiaj! I got a lot of things done today! Have a nice night! |
| 08:19.40 | tachibana | something between dumpster diving and helping uh, clean up places |
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| 08:25.26 | psopacua | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35358269/debian-8-resolution-missing |
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| 08:26.44 | jim87 | babilen: nope... I've noticed that entering insert mode and exiting, entering again I can't even delete all the columns of a row... weird |
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| 08:27.28 | babilen | jim87: You might want to set that as TERM anyway, but it is obviously not responsible for your problem then. What does "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'vim*'" give you? |
| 08:27.33 | babilen | â http://paste.debian.net |
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| 08:28.40 | jim87 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/390997/ |
| 08:28.45 | babilen | jim87: And the output of "ls -la /etc/alternatives/vim" ? |
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| 08:29.12 | jim87 | babilen: file not found |
| 08:29.18 | babilen | jim87: Ah, you have only vim-tiny. Please install a proper vim package such as vim-nox or vim-gnome |
| 08:29.54 | jim87 | babilen: should I run vim or vi now? |
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| 08:30.15 | babilen | jim87: I'd install vim-nox and then run either vim or vi, but you want vim, don't you? |
| 08:30.16 | r6ku | psopacua: https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard |
| 08:31.17 | jim87 | babilen: I've always used the "vi" command, dunno if it internally used vim |
| 08:31.20 | babilen | psopacua: You should check for support of your card and install fitting drivers as detailed on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers (please note that that page details a number of unsupported installation methods .. random people keep on tinkering with it, so sorry for that) |
| 08:31.29 | babilen | jim87: It would |
| 08:31.30 | jim87 | what's the difference between vim-gnome and vim-nox? |
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| 08:32.04 | babilen | jim87: vim-gnome comes with gnome bindings and gvim while vim-nox is the termal flavour. There is also vim-gtk for vim with gtk bindings (rather than gnome) |
| 08:32.18 | babilen | *terminal flavour |
| 08:32.32 | jim87 | can I switch between them without using vim.nox or vim.gnome? |
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| 08:33.27 | babilen | jim87: vim-gnome also comes with the terminal variant .. no need to switch then. I simply never use gvim so I have vim-nox installed. (well, I've been using emacs with spacemacs/evil for a while, but still ...) |
| 08:33.43 | psopacua | r6ku, babilen: hmm im going to try some things out. |
| 08:33.45 | psopacua | thank you guys :). |
| 08:34.08 | psopacua | and if got ATI not nvidia but i saw links on the page :p. |
| 08:34.09 | babilen | psopacua: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" give you and which driver are you using at the moment? |
| 08:34.18 | babilen | Ah .. sorry |
| 08:34.20 | babilen | sure |
| 08:34.28 | psopacua | one moment. |
| 08:34.43 | psopacua | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0412] (rev 06) |
| 08:34.44 | psopacua | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Oland PRO [Radeon R7 240] [1002:6613] |
| 08:34.47 | psopacua | hmm Intel are onboard |
| 08:34.58 | psopacua | need to disable it in the Bios forgot to do that i think. |
| 08:35.12 | psopacua | How can i see what driver's are installed ? |
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| 08:36.09 | babilen | psopacua: Please ensure that your /etc/apt/sources.list entries end in "main contrib non-free", run "apt update" and install firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl-mesa-dri .. then reboot, disable the Intel card and try again. |
| 08:36.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell psopacua -about radeon |
| 08:36.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell psopacua -about radeon firmware |
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| 08:36.51 | frengo | http://pastebin.com/0Apa3D3W |
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| 08:36.54 | psopacua | "Main contrib non-free" did that way back :p. |
| 08:37.01 | frengo | http://pastebin.com/tjhfSikZ |
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| 08:37.12 | psopacua | Thank you Babiblen! |
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| 08:39.15 | psopacua | From what i see i have installed those package's already. |
| 08:39.29 | babilen | pity |
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| 08:39.44 | psopacua | Yeah :(. first rebooting now and disabling onboard gfx. |
| 08:39.50 | babilen | aye |
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| 08:43.21 | psopacua | Onboard, gfx disabled now :). now lets see how i can get a better resolution =x. |
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| 08:45.15 | babilen | psopacua: I checked a little while you were away. You are currently using the open source "radeon" driver packaged in xserver-xorg-video-radeon. It's package description doesn't mention "oland", while newer versions of that package in stretch (testing) do. My impression is that the version you are using on jessie does not really support that device. |
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| 08:45.40 | psopacua | :o. |
| 08:45.43 | psopacua | ohnoessss |
| 08:45.45 | babilen | psopacua: There is also another, closed source, driver called fglrx that appears to be supporting your version and that you could install |
| 08:45.57 | psopacua | hmm i though i used fglrx :o. |
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| 08:46.23 | babilen | Alternatively you could switch over to a testing/unstable mix, but that isn't necessarily something I'd recommend as you will have other problems given that this is a development release |
| 08:46.30 | psopacua | https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 08:46.34 | babilen | yeah |
| 08:46.34 | psopacua | is the one i should use aint it? |
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| 08:46.55 | babilen | I don't know .. you said that you don't know which one you use. Could you check Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 08:47.16 | psopacua | sure |
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| 08:47.43 | psopacua | as you mention fglrx, i though last time i reinstalled after an apt-get-remove nvidia* i used the fglrx i though, but i am going to checkout Xorg.0.log |
| 08:47.45 | babilen | There is also a newer version of the fglrx driver in jessie-backports. |
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| 08:48.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell psopacua about fglrx dkms |
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| 08:48.34 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 08:49.23 | babilen | psopacua: If you are using fglrx already then try the version in jessie-backports by running "apt -t jessie-backports install fglrx-driver" after adding backports to your sources.list (see http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ for help with that. Ensure that the entry ends in "main contrib non-free" though) |
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| 08:50.23 | psopacua | babilen, http://pastebin.com/V51RH9kz |
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| 08:52.50 | psopacua | Hmm if im right i am using fglrx aint i? if so, its still funny because debian states "his driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop, as it does not support the EGL interface. It is recommended to use the free radeon driver instead." i am running Gnome =x. |
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| 08:53.24 | babilen | psopacua: I don't open pastebin.com links, please use one of http://refheap.com, http://paste.debian.net, https://gist.github.com, http://sprunge.us, ⦠|
| 08:54.45 | psopacua | My bad, i need to learn to use another pastebin (Back from the days pastebin was the shit i never use this kinds of site anymore) but i will go for paste.debian.net :D |
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| 08:54.54 | babilen | psopacua: Generally speaking I strongly prefer the free radeon driver, but it appears as if that one doesn't support your card in the version in jessie. I have no idea what that message from Gnome is about as I use neither AMD hardware, nor fglrx or GNOME. |
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| 08:55.09 | psopacua | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/391089/ |
| 08:55.31 | babilen | You might want to try a newer version of fglrx as packaged in jessie-backports .. How do you check if you can get higher resolutions btw? |
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| 08:55.42 | babilen | ta |
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| 08:55.54 | psopacua | i have tried it trough the display manager. |
| 08:55.55 | babilen | ugh, aticonfig |
| 08:56.04 | psopacua | I have tried it trough xrandr by adding a new mode. |
| 08:56.33 | psopacua | but if i add a new mode it is getting added to "VGA1" instead of "DPI1" if i run xrandr after i added the new mode. |
| 08:57.02 | babilen | psopacua: Could you remove your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and replace it with a non-monolitihic file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d as detailed in https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Configuration please |
| 08:57.06 | psopacua | DPI1 -> DFP1 i mean. |
| 08:57.20 | babilen | You shouldn't have to add a new mode or anything like that |
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| 08:57.39 | babilen | So, try the newer version .. |
| 08:57.56 | psopacua | by trying the one in jessie-backports i will do in a few secs first the configuration. |
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| 08:59.32 | psopacua | hmm getting permission denied with suo =x. |
| 08:59.34 | psopacua | sudo |
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| 09:00.03 | babilen | for what exactly? |
| 09:00.11 | psopacua | sudo echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf |
| 09:00.11 | psopacua | bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf: Permission denied |
| 09:00.33 | babilen | yeah, that doesn't work as the redirect won't be run as root |
| 09:00.36 | psopacua | btw i have to replace GPU Driver with mine aint it. |
| 09:00.40 | psopacua | ahhh ic. |
| 09:00.40 | ewew | do you have sudo defined ? |
| 09:01.19 | babilen | psopacua: No, you can use the file exactly as it is. Just run the command as root (otherwise the > /etc/ ... bit is still run as your user, or use sudo -c "......") |
| 09:01.47 | babilen | The "My GPU" is just a name that doesn't matter |
| 09:01.54 | themill | (or tee) |
| 09:02.46 | psopacua | should i reboot first after adding the configuration or can i restart the display drivers? |
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| 09:05.31 | babilen | no |
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| 09:06.59 | psopacua | backports driver installed :). |
| 09:07.01 | psopacua | brb |
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| 09:12.33 | psopacua | Back :), still cant choose a higher resolution then "1680x1050" |
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| 09:14.54 | karlpinc | babilen: Humm. fyi I'm not seeing a -c option for sudo on jessie. |
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| 09:15.47 | babilen | su :) |
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| 09:18.46 | saedelaere | I am not able to run a cron job as user www-data. in the syslog I see this entry "CRON[2711]: Authentication failure" |
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| 09:19.13 | saedelaere | I am simply running a php script for piwik web analysis |
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| 09:20.24 | saedelaere | here is the command I am using "www-data /usr/bin/php5 /var/www/piwik/console core:archive --url=http://myurl > /var/www/piwik/archive_log/piwik-archive.log" |
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| 09:20.57 | saedelaere | anyone an idea what the problem could be? |
| 09:21.19 | saedelaere | I have another server where I do exactly the same (debian wheezy both) and it works there |
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| 09:28.44 | saedelaere | https://blog.unikorn.me/quickfix-cron-authentication-failure.html |
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| 10:05.42 | CDuv | Hello |
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| 10:07.05 | CDuv | I have a question about /etc/hostname and FQDN. |
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| 10:13.17 | CDuv | Say I call my server "foobar" and it belongs to my domain "mycompany.com". It's IP is resolveable via "foobar.my.company.com". |
| 10:13.17 | CDuv | What should I put into /etc/hostname? "foobar"? "foobar.my.company.com"? |
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| 10:14.33 | karlpinc | CDuv: It's a matter of debate. I always use "foobar". I've forgotten why at this point but have done the research. |
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| 10:16.23 | karlpinc | CDuv: Note that this also matters regards what the installer does, with /etc/hosts and maybe elsewhere. See also "man mailname". |
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| 10:17.18 | CDuv | karlpinc: But where does `hostname` gets the domain part if it is not part of the /etc/hostname file? |
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| 10:17.23 | karlpinc | (In that the installer sets /etc/hostname based on the system name you supply.) |
| 10:17.33 | CDuv | It uses /etc/hosts? |
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| 10:17.52 | karlpinc | CDuv: It uses dns. |
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| 10:18.26 | karlpinc | (Not the resolver, which (usually) _also_ uses /etc/hosts. vis "getent hosts foo") |
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| 10:18.42 | CDuv | A local DNS service then. |
| 10:18.57 | karlpinc | CDuv: That's what the man page says. |
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| 10:19.36 | CDuv | OK, is there any reason why this topic is not crystal-clear? |
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| 10:20.03 | karlpinc | CDuv: On my box hostname gives "foobar" where "hostname -f" gives the fqdn. |
| 10:20.06 | CDuv | Is it because works just fine in both cases? ;) |
| 10:20.37 | CDuv | And you have only the host in you /etc/hostname file, but the FQDN in /etc/hosts |
| 10:20.40 | CDuv | ?* |
| 10:21.07 | karlpinc | Basically yes. What (IIRC, vaguely) matters is whether you want to see the fqdn always or just the foobar part. |
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| 10:21.29 | CDuv | That's what I was starting to understand |
| 10:21.49 | CDuv | Some admin script uses `hostname` where others uses `hostname -f` |
| 10:21.55 | karlpinc | CDuv: My /etc/hosts has both the host and the fqdn. |
| 10:22.20 | CDuv | I personally want the FQDN anywhere where possible (clearer, but that's my opinion) |
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| 10:22.58 | karlpinc | CDuv: I think I settled on non-fqdn in /etc/hostname but a "domain" line in /etc/resolv.conf. |
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| 10:23.12 | CDuv | To sum it up: There's no issue with me placing the FQDN into /etc/hostname |
| 10:23.18 | karlpinc | CDuv: No. |
| 10:24.20 | CDuv | Thanks, I'll go read some manpage about resolver and domainname |
| 10:24.52 | karlpinc | CDuv: domainname is relatively useless, unless you're running nis. |
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| 10:25.02 | babilen | CDuv: Sounds as if the order of entries for your box in /etc/hosts might be off (i.e. not follow IP FQDN HOST) |
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| 10:25.50 | babilen | And yeah, I'd also put the actual hostname in /etc/hostname and not fqdn |
| 10:26.06 | karlpinc | CDuv: You always have to suck the domain name out of a fqdn, one way or another. |
| 10:26.47 | karlpinc | babilen: I really did think hard about it at one point, but my mind has gone blank. Do you have some reasoning handy? |
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| 10:32.42 | babilen | karlpinc: No, not really |
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| 10:33.14 | karlpinc | CDuv: Maybe it's that to get the domain you always need to work backwards from the fqdn, but if you put an unqualified name in /etc/hosts you can at least get the unqualified name easily. But I suspect that's not the crux of the matter, because there's so many cases where the name winds up appearing. Maybe it's that a FQDN is just awkward when it _always_shows up, rather then being fully qualified only when there's ambiguity. |
| 10:33.46 | karlpinc | (Or maybe I just hated the fqdn in the bash prompt. :-) |
| 10:33.55 | CDuv | ^^ |
| 10:34.11 | khazakar | Hi all! I have a weird problem with my net. I have dnsmasq acting as dhcp for my network and It works flawlessy only for my wifi 5 GHz only,on 2,4 It doesn't give local ip. |
| 10:34.38 | CDuv | karlpinc: there is always `hostname -s` |
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| 10:35.44 | karlpinc | khazakar: Are they 2 different address spaces for the 2 frequencies? |
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| 10:36.34 | khazakar | karlpinc sure,172.16.1.2 for 5GHz(static) and 192.168.92.10:192.168.92.20 for 2,4 (dhcp) |
| 10:36.45 | karlpinc | khazakar: Basically, the logs are your friend. Turn up the verbosity and watch what the server says. |
| 10:37.06 | karlpinc | khazakar: Have all the 2.4 addresses been handed out? |
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| 10:37.38 | khazakar | karlpinc sometimes,but It don't want to work even with only one client |
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| 10:38.34 | karlpinc | khazakar: Start by checking the logs. If you still have questions pastebin them somewhere and show us what they say. |
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| 10:40.45 | khazakar | So I need to turn on log capabilities |
| 10:41.52 | karlpinc | khazakar: Either that or run it at the command line without daemonizing and tell it to report to you that way. Logs are sane, so you can go back and look at history. |
| 10:42.12 | khazakar | Ok,so wait a while ;) |
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| 10:46.05 | khazakar | It is weird. Static ip from dnsmasq works even it is killed and not showing in htop. O.o |
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| 11:19.46 | zh1 | what can i use on debian for ipv6 remote desktop, guess remmina doesnt work |
| 11:19.58 | zh1 | on rdp |
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| 11:23.51 | grawity | both xfreerdp and rdesktop support IPv6 |
| 11:24.01 | teraflops | zh1: checked if the remote.machine is reachable by ipv6 and has the rdp port listening? |
| 11:24.05 | grawity | (and I thought remmina just uses them as backends) |
| 11:24.54 | zh1 | teraflops, i guess yes, enabled it |
| 11:24.59 | teraflops | 3389 if I remember well |
| 11:25.32 | zh1 | teraflops, yes |
| 11:25.33 | grawity | do check `netstat -a -n -p tcp | findstr LISTEN` on the server |
| 11:25.40 | grawity | and the firewall as well |
| 11:25.43 | teraflops | zh1: can you telnet to it as in telnet ipv6-address port? |
| 11:26.03 | zh1 | teraflops, will have to try |
| 11:26.57 | zh1 | teraflops, i was checking the external ip and only retrieves a ipv6 one |
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| 11:29.02 | Fenny2 | hello, how do you download foo.deb & install with Gdebi from the command line? |
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| 11:29.32 | Fenny2 | wget foo.com/bar.deb && gdebi bar.deb |
| 11:29.40 | Fenny2 | but how do you combine these? |
| 11:29.51 | Fenny2 | wget foo.com/bar.deb | gdebi bar.deb # this doesnt work :( |
| 11:30.09 | Fenny2 | or maybe use "curl" ? |
| 11:31.03 | grawity | why do you need to 'combine' those |
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| 11:31.09 | grawity | I mean |
| 11:31.16 | grawity | if `gdebi http://foo.com/bar.deb` doesn't work by itself |
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| 11:31.26 | grawity | then I doubt any amount of |-ing is going to help |
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| 11:32.30 | zh1 | teraflops, first time i checked ip was giving me a ipv4 one, now it only gives a ipv6 |
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| 11:36.20 | teraflops | zh1: im not aware of your network structure and from where to where are you trying to reach the rdp machine |
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| 11:37.57 | zh1 | teraflops, telnet didnt work |
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| 11:38.56 | zh1 | teraflops, i was using remmina on debian but then i saw ipv6 doesnt go, from my pc to a friend to give her a help |
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| 11:42.46 | Fenny2 | grawity: combine becuase it is faster, and so it stays in RAM, when you pipe , right? |
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| 11:43.24 | bumbar_ | if user has ! in front of their password in /etc/shadow, it means the account is locked an unable to login (with password), correct? |
| 11:43.53 | grawity | bumbar_: it means the password is locked, but not necessarily the account itself |
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| 11:44.25 | bumbar_ | i've used passwd -l and chage -E 0 to lock account, any other things i should i do? |
| 11:44.34 | grawity | chage should be enough |
| 11:44.39 | tite12345 | Hi guys |
| 11:44.48 | bumbar_ | thanks grawity |
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| 11:45.50 | jim | is something wrong with make-kpkg? |
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| 11:51.19 | cjs | The installer is telling me I need a file called "iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode". Where do I get this? |
| 11:51.39 | babilen | cjs: In the firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 11:51.43 | babilen | dpkg: firmware image |
| 11:51.43 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 11:51.49 | babilen | cjs: You could also use ^ |
| 11:51.55 | cjs | Keep in mind I have no machines running Debian. |
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| 11:52.45 | cjs | And I'd rather download this one file and put it on my USB stick than burn a whole new DVD, if I can avoid it. |
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| 11:52.52 | babilen | cjs: That's okay. You could also provide the firmware on a USB stick and download it from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ |
| 11:53.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell cjs -about installer firmware |
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| 11:53.22 | babilen | (unpack that file) |
| 11:53.37 | babilen | cjs: Do you need wireless networking during the installation? |
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| 11:54.11 | cjs | Well, I could run a cable, but I'd prefer to use the WiFi. Debian 8 is 'wheezy'? |
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| 11:54.52 | babilen | No, 8 is 'jessie' |
| 11:55.27 | babilen | cjs: Okay, I just asked because you could have easily installed the firmware-iwlwifi package after the initial installation |
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| 11:56.58 | cjs | Yes, I see. If I can just get a URL where I can download the appropriate version of this file, that's great; otherwise I'll go find a cable and see if I can find a port into which to plug it. |
| 11:57.39 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I am having trouble with hibernate from xfce menu, the computer seems to hibernate well, but when resuming from hibernate the ext4 filesystems ( / and /home) are corrupted, what is going wrong?where can I start to look for things? |
| 11:57.50 | cjs | Hm. 'j' is the 9th letter of the alphabet, and what's all this 'sid' stuff and whatnot? |
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| 11:58.55 | bazhang | toy story characters cjs |
| 11:59.03 | bazhang | !naming |
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| 12:00.00 | babilen | cjs: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/jessie/current/ -- Sorry, I assumed that was obvious from the URL I gave you |
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| 12:02.12 | cjs | it was just the 'jessie' part I didn't know about. Anyway, yeah, got the tar.gz file, found the .deb, now I just have to figure out how to open the thing. It's just a CPIO archive, right? |
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| 12:05.05 | grawity | no, .rpm is CPIO; .deb is an ar archive containing a few tarballs |
| 12:05.12 | grawity | but afaik there's a dpkg-deb command to extract it |
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| 12:08.05 | cjs | Ah, I always forget. Anyway, ar, tar, cpio, whatever, I can handle it all. Got the file out. |
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| 12:11.11 | babilen | cjs: Just unpack the tar.gz to a USB stick (I mentioned that earlier) |
| 12:11.23 | babilen | The installer will happily work with the .deb files |
| 12:12.14 | babilen | cjs: fwiw, you might want to read https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 12:13.38 | cjs | Oh, I could have just put the .deb package file on there? Doh! |
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| 12:14.04 | babilen | sure |
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| 12:15.11 | jusss | does your xterm read ~/.Xdefaults in debian jessie? |
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| 12:15.30 | jusss | it seems my xterm don't |
| 12:17.25 | cjs | Grr...now can't authenticate with my AP, anyway. And I'm pretty sure it's the correct password. Ok, I'll just give up and use a cable for the moment. |
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| 12:21.38 | Lirus | hey, thats maybe an unusual question but why do people apply to become a debian developer, what is their personal interest in the Applience? |
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| 12:26.15 | Devastator | contribute? improve their skills? |
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| 12:30.00 | evolinux | Lirus, hey, can you be more specific? Which appliance? Perhaps a hardware appliance? Do you mean making money? |
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| 12:30.23 | mentor | I don't suppose anyone knows offhand what units the "size" column of ps are? |
| 12:31.06 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:34.34 | Resilience | I am having trouble with hibernate from xfce menu, the computer seems to hibernate well, but when resuming from hibernate the ext4 filesystems ( / and /home) are corrupted, what is going wrong?where can I start to look for things? |
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| 12:38.41 | mentor | themill, That's in the obsolete sort keys section |
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| 12:39.53 | frostschutz | Resilience, maybe something is mounting these filesystems / writing to disk before resume? does it also happen when you suspend to ram? |
| 12:41.02 | Resilience | frostschutz, I don't know, is there some log file where I can see it? and no, my system does not suspend to ram from xfce panel |
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| 12:44.17 | at0m | Resilience: sudo pm-suspend |
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| 12:45.10 | at0m | i liked hibernation when my RAM was 128MB. but writing 8GB to disk doesn't sound like saving power to me. |
| 12:45.11 | Resilience | at0m, it fails too |
| 12:45.33 | Resilience | it is not about saving power, but about keeping the session state |
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| 12:49.26 | at0m | Resilience: like i said, been ages since I've tried to hibernate, maybe https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation helps |
| 12:50.25 | khazakar | uf3e |
| 12:51.11 | frostschutz | Resilience, logs are difficult, before resume the system is not allowed to write and after resume, the before-resume state is lost after all. you'd have to debug whatever it is the initrd is doing before it gets to the resume step |
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| 12:54.58 | khazakar | ufw allow from 192.168.92.0/24 to any port 67/udp |
| 12:55.44 | khazakar | ufw disable |
| 12:56.19 | khazakar | ufw enable |
| 12:58.04 | babilen | khazakar: EWIN ? |
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| 13:02.55 | Resilience | frostschutz, but the problem is the corruption of ext4 filesystems... |
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| 13:25.26 | Che-Anarc | How do I find where 'openssl/aes.h' is located? - or where is likely to be located/ |
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| 13:26.31 | frostschutz | Che-Anarc, how about /usr/include/openssl/aes.h |
| 13:26.46 | themill | Che-Anarc: apt-file is you friend (headers are in libfoo-dev packages) |
| 13:27.40 | joggly | Hello there. I have a Debian jessie running on a armhf machine (a cubieboard), freshly installed, but when I tried to install nginx I had this error: http://paste.debian.net/391550/ . I tried with a apt-get install libkrb5support0:armhf --reinstall but the same error shows up. Any help? |
| 13:30.53 | ChrisH | Is there any compressing Filesystem despite btrfs? I have not found any so far. |
| 13:31.18 | napnap | Hi all, I have a NIC port that doesn't work, I don't understand why my switch doesn't see the good MAC adress ... this is my past : http://pastebin.com/MGTD6HLy |
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| 13:32.09 | napnap | The driver in use is e1000e under debian 8.3 |
| 13:32.43 | napnap | To test, I downloaded and loaded the last version of this driver (3.3.3). But the problem remain the same. |
| 13:33.27 | napnap | I do not know at all what to do or where to look... |
| 13:33.29 | apollo13 | napnap: surprisingly enough, why do eth0 and eth1 have different vendor ids? I'd expect both to be 00:15:17 or 00:21:85 |
| 13:33.47 | oghamic | joggly: The error is self-explanatory - and rather a PITA, I assume you will need to fetch the .deb for that package, extract it, fix the new line, repackage and dpkg install it |
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| 13:33.55 | apollo13 | I mean they probably both belong to intel, but still⦠|
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| 13:34.36 | napnap | apollo13, sorry, error in my past => 00:21:85:6d:a1:1b |
| 13:35.16 | napnap | apollo13, as you see with ifconfig the vendor ids is the same |
| 13:35.33 | apollo13 | oh right |
| 13:35.40 | apollo13 | sorry, did not scroll down |
| 13:35.41 | themill | oghamic, joggly: there is no list file in the .deb; that's the file that is created by dpkg to record the installation process. |
| 13:36.08 | themill | joggly: have you looked inside the file on disk? As a general rule, the only time you see this is when the filesystem or hardware are unhappy with you |
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| 13:36.58 | joggly | themill: what should I be looking for? |
| 13:37.08 | joggly | Looks like reinstalling the system may be a quicker option =D |
| 13:37.16 | napnap | apollo13, the error is mine, so when I connect eth0, I see on the switch side the correct mac => 00:21:85:6d:a1:1a |
| 13:37.37 | apollo13 | napnap: yeah, I understand, still do not have a solution |
| 13:37.44 | apollo13 | maybe try a different switch? |
| 13:37.47 | apollo13 | also use wireshark? |
| 13:37.49 | themill | joggly: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libkrb5support0:armhf.list; reinstallating doesn't fix a borked SD card |
| 13:38.12 | themill | joggly: if it's just that file that's broken, then it's a very easy fix |
| 13:38.38 | enoch85 | Where are the NFS conf files stored? I have a NFS share that's not working between two VMs. It wasn't me that set it up, and now I can't find the configuration |
| 13:38.57 | joggly | themill: just a second, I'm checking it. |
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| 13:42.14 | jelly | enoch85: /etc/exports for the nfs server |
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| 13:52.02 | truewinner | I moved to Ubuntu when Ian died |
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| 13:57.53 | amz` | héllo, is it possible to run xorg program from within a lxc container? |
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| 14:08.30 | Alver | Hello. I'm on sid + cinnamon desktop, and trying to get steam working with hybrid gfx. So far, using "DRI_PRIME=1 steam" gives me black windows for games (sound works). This is supposedly a combo of cinnamon using OpenGL for accelleration, and DRI2 being used instead of the newer (but apparently experimental) DRI3. Is there an outlook on when DRI3 would hit Xorg in sid? |
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| 14:12.48 | karlpinc | amz`: Sure. X is network transparent. If the container has network access a program running in it can display anywhere. |
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| 14:38.32 | karlpinc | ?ewin |
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| 14:41.22 | TheOnlyBouncer | Good day, i have build a install stick of latest testing image, but my system seems not to be able to boot from it (efi) |
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| 14:41.38 | TheOnlyBouncer | any tips on how to fix this? or is it wise using a stable image and updating from there |
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| 14:45.33 | Headscracher | bootable usb sticks shouldnt be a problem. But maybe you've to turn efi to legacy |
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| 14:46.22 | TheOnlyBouncer | Headscracher, i need to install in uefi, system does not support legacy anymore |
| 14:46.41 | TheOnlyBouncer | i have been able to boot a ubuntu image, but rather would use debian |
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| 14:47.10 | Headscracher | with which tool did you made the stick? |
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| 14:47.54 | TheOnlyBouncer | the Ubuntu one was with their own tool. Debian i tried with unetbootin, and just dd'ing |
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| 14:48.21 | Headscracher | just try http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ it worked fine for me |
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| 14:48.32 | zykotick9 | TheOnlyBouncer: 2 sidenotes 1) "testing installer" if for testing the installer, not installing testing and 2) efi doesn't work with LiveImages, install images only... |
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| 14:51.07 | TheOnlyBouncer | zykotick9, i always used the testing installer to install testing :P |
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| 14:54.29 | khazakar | Hi again! I still have that weird problem with my network. 2,4 ghz wifi don't get ip from dnsmasq,but with static 5 ghz wifi it works.Logs clear |
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| 14:55.18 | TheOnlyBouncer | zykotick9, will get a normal installer then |
| 14:55.32 | khazakar | But It have strange behaviour -> It discovers on eth1,which is PPPoE port. |
| 14:55.33 | donangello | a |
| 14:55.52 | khazakar | dhclient discovers on eth1* |
| 14:55.55 | donangello | i sell root vps rfp domain host |
| 14:55.55 | khazakar | dhclient discovers on eth1* |
| 14:56.50 | donangello | i sell root rdp host domain |
| 14:57.58 | MrTrump | hi |
| 14:58.15 | MrTrump | anyone make a storage array with reiserFS and debian? |
| 14:58.40 | blind | reiserFS why |
| 14:58.41 | jim | and not back up? insane! |
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| 14:58.57 | toogley | hello. where in the debian installation menu can i select on which HDD/usb stick/sd card should debian installed? |
| 14:58.58 | ChrisH | MrTrump: I would not dare to use ReiserFS anythere else like squid cache FS |
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| 14:59.41 | jim | toogley, generally in the partitioner |
| 14:59.56 | MrTrump | why |
| 15:00.15 | MrTrump | reiser seems pissa |
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| 15:02.17 | toogley | jim: in the menu "partition disks"? |
| 15:02.58 | jim | yossarianuk, that's where you specify what storage to use, and where it gets mounted |
| 15:03.44 | ChrisH | MrTrump: Pisa is a city in Italy... anyhow create one ore more mdadmin arrays, use them als PV inside LVM and create LVs.... put any Filsystem you want to use on top and you are done. |
| 15:04.12 | TheOnlyBouncer | zykotick9, alpha install image for testing also does not boot efi |
| 15:04.13 | jim | MrTrump, reiserfs has been known to completely fail all at once, all gone |
| 15:06.00 | toogley | did i sth wrong when https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/images/inst-partman-disk.png doesn't show up while installing debian jessie? i'm quite confused. |
| 15:07.07 | toogley | after "detect disks" it directly jumps to https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/images/inst-partman-validation.png |
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| 15:09.21 | MrTrump | what |
| 15:09.25 | MrTrump | when" |
| 15:09.30 | MrTrump | when did reiserfs fail? |
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| 15:09.59 | donangello | irc.darkirc.net |
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| 15:10.37 | felipebalbi | how to tell Debian to use less as default pager ? |
| 15:10.48 | felipebalbi | /etc/alternatives/pager doesn't let me choose less, even though 'less' is installed |
| 15:11.15 | blind | On my system, /etc/alternatives/pager: symbolic link to /bin/less |
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| 15:11.31 | felipebalbi | blind: I tried update-alternatives --config pager |
| 15:11.37 | felipebalbi | blind: I can only choose more or pg |
| 15:11.46 | felipebalbi | blind: already tried to reeinstall less |
| 15:11.56 | felipebalbi | still nothing |
| 15:12.06 | blind | I don't understand why that would be. |
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| 15:12.19 | felipebalbi | me neither :-) |
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| 15:12.27 | zykotick9 | felipebalbi: was the version of less you are using NOT installed with the debian package? |
| 15:12.45 | Headscracher | toogley, you should have the option to change the disk again under guided partitioning |
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| 15:13.17 | felipebalbi | zykotick9: yes it was |
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| 15:13.52 | felipebalbi | $ dpkg --get-selections | grep less |
| 15:13.53 | felipebalbi | less install |
| 15:13.55 | felipebalbi | ther eyou go |
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| 15:14.24 | felipebalbi | running sid, btw. Could be a bug in the package |
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| 15:14.38 | felipebalbi | version 481-2 |
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| 15:15.51 | felipebalbi | oh https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1391415.html |
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| 15:23.02 | toogley | Headscracher: ah, okay. I |
| 15:23.06 | toogley | I'll try. Headscracher |
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| 15:26.12 | MrTrump | what happens when u set swappiness to 100? |
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| 15:27.42 | khazakar | Hi,that problem with dnsmasq and dhcp server makes me angry. Nothing in logs,even wireshark don't give clean answer |
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| 15:30.15 | TomTomTo2 | MrTrump, the kernel will swap a lot... |
| 15:30.20 | MrTrump | doh |
| 15:30.25 | MrTrump | why not set to 1 then? |
| 15:30.30 | MrTrump | better? |
| 15:31.07 | jelly | MrTrump: better for what? The tunables are there to suit your workload |
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| 15:31.17 | TomTomTo2 | will prob not matter much for you. |
| 15:31.34 | mentor | MrTrump, It's better for rarely used memory to be in swap and memory filled with more often used data instead, usually |
| 15:31.46 | jelly | MrTrump: do you maybe have an actual problem you're trying to solve with that? |
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| 15:42.44 | damascene | hi, there is the packages font-hosny-amiri and fonts-hosny-amiri did not get updated. how to fix that? the maintainer moved to github https://github.com/khaledhosny/amiri-font/releases |
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| 15:46.32 | amdp | hi what channel should I join to ask about DKIM and SPF? |
| 15:46.34 | babilen | damascene: file a bug (reportbug font-hosny-amiri) |
| 15:47.06 | mentor | amdp, You can try asking here |
| 15:47.18 | MrTrump | my workload is busy httpd web apps |
| 15:48.04 | amdp | mentor: I just want to understand if I should use another server or if everything I should do to have DKIM and SPF TXT records working is editing two records in my DNS |
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| 15:48.48 | mentor | amdp, "should use another server"? |
| 15:49.09 | amdp | another server = postmark, mailjet |
| 15:49.42 | amdp | mentor: for spf it seems that just a spf generator works fine, dkim I see no guides telling me how to do it for free |
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| 15:51.06 | mentor | amdp, SPF is just information provided to other mail servers |
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| 15:51.48 | dagerik | is wheezy affected by latest security exploit |
| 15:52.21 | jelly | dagerik: if you know the CVE number, you can look it up on the |
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| 15:52.23 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 15:52.24 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 15:55.02 | mentor | amdp, DKIM involves publishing a public key, which then signs all outgoing mail |
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| 15:55.12 | Maai | Hello, does anyone know how to 'refresh' the mouse on X windows debain, my cursor vanishes some time |
| 15:55.31 | mentor | amdp, I see no reason why one couldn't do this on ones existing mail server |
| 15:55.49 | amdp | mentor: so if I have a SPF TXT is fine |
| 15:55.54 | mentor | amdp, You will, of course, have to provide a user submission service for your users |
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| 15:56.24 | amdp | what is a user submission service? |
| 15:56.54 | amdp | mentor: is user submission service relative to SPF or to both? |
| 15:58.07 | mentor | amdp, So, your user wants to send mail, but all mail for your domain and users must come from your server because of SPF and/or, so the users must submit their mail to your server to be sent on |
| 15:59.05 | mentor | and/or DKIM |
| 15:59.18 | grawity | amdp: the "SMTP on port 587" thing, I assume |
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| 16:02.36 | damascene | babilen, thanks. would it work if report while using Ubuntu? |
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| 16:04.17 | amdp | mentor: yes all the users do that, but that is not a problem |
| 16:04.18 | babilen | damascene: I would think so, but you want #ubuntu for Ubuntu support |
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| 16:04.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell damascene -about ubuntu |
| 16:04.42 | amdp | it's a problem of compliance to hotmail |
| 16:04.54 | babilen | damascene: I think they use a different bug report tool (apport), but ask them ... |
| 16:05.44 | damascene | babilen, I mean debian is the upstream for ubuntu and ubuntu has old version because of debian having it |
| 16:06.17 | babilen | damascene: sure |
| 16:06.19 | damascene | so may I just open a bug manually for that? |
| 16:06.41 | babilen | I see no problem with that, but I simply have no idea how "reportbug" behaves on Ubuntu |
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| 16:06.56 | amdp | mentor: so for SPF it is just a TXT record on DNS |
| 16:07.23 | amdp | mentor: DKIM seems different, CNAME pointing to @ and a TXT right? |
| 16:08.06 | mentor | amdp, DKIM is a record in DNS publishing a public key |
| 16:08.17 | mentor | amdp, Then you have to sign all mail |
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| 16:08.42 | damascene | ok thank you |
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| 16:09.15 | amdp | mentor: how do I sign all mail? |
| 16:09.28 | mentor | amdp, With the appropriate software |
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| 16:12.17 | l3archos | how can I safely (for debugging reasons in an isolated test environment) disable completely any active firewall rules? I thought "iptables -F" should flush the iptables but I suppose this is not enough for completely disabling a firewall on Linux ? |
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| 16:14.21 | mentor | l3archos, iptables default chains have policy/default targets |
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| 16:15.11 | tertiary | is there a way to autogenerate the postrm file when creating a debian package? |
| 16:15.11 | l3archos | mentor: how can I reset everything completely, so I can be sure iptables is not blocking anything ? |
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| 16:15.30 | l3archos | and is there a way to check *IF* iptables is blocking anything at all when looking for a culprit ? |
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| 16:16.10 | greycat | iptables -L |
| 16:16.35 | l3archos | greycat: I don't mean "displaying" the current iptables |
| 16:16.46 | l3archos | I mean to see if packets were rejected or dropped BY iptables |
| 16:17.01 | mentor | l3archos, There are counters; further information can be found in the iptables man page |
| 16:17.04 | greycat | Then I guess you answered yourself: "yes, iptables is blocking something at all" |
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| 16:17.31 | l3archos | greycat: funny guy |
| 16:17.41 | l3archos | mentor: thank you for assistance m8 |
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| 16:17.59 | greycat | I answered the question that was asked. If you didn't ask what you meant, well, too bad. |
| 16:18.10 | amdp | mentor: postfix? |
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| 16:18.31 | l3archos | mentor: I'll try a "iptables -F && iptables -t nat -F && iptables -t mangle -F && iptables -X" for the beginning |
| 16:18.42 | l3archos | greycat: sure... hey here's the ball. Catch it boy |
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| 16:21.23 | awal1 | 'rmadison' returns 0 output with -s (--suite) option for experimental; thats because experimental isn't considered as an official debian suite? So, how to query packages version in experimental? |
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| 16:21.48 | greycat | You're kidding, right? |
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| 16:24.20 | jelly | !udd |
| 16:24.21 | dpkg | The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/ |
| 16:25.08 | awal1 | jelly, thats for me? |
| 16:25.25 | jelly | yes |
| 16:25.54 | jelly | judd bot can be used for casual searches |
| 16:25.55 | judd | No, I'm not a bot, I'm a frontend to a database. |
| 16:26.02 | jelly | judd: shut up |
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| 16:26.32 | jelly | judd: versions wine-development |
| 16:26.33 | judd | Package: wine-development on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; jessie-backports: 1.7.52-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.7.55-4; sid: 1.9.1-1 |
| 16:27.22 | jelly | awal1: /msg judd help versions, http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ |
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| 16:28.07 | awal1 | jelly, oh, ok, yes I know about udd and, but wanna have access to that via console with some utility like rmadison |
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| 16:28.43 | jelly | awal1: yeah, that would be nice wouldn't it |
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| 16:31.49 | jelly | awal1: > public UDD mirror[1] allows anyone to query UDD using PostgreSQL command-line or GUI clients [1] http://public-udd-mirror.xvm.mit.edu/ ? |
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| 16:32.14 | awal1 | jelly, right, i see that in the wiki |
| 16:32.23 | greycat | Anyone using experimental should be able to write his own application using the database backend. |
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| 16:33.38 | jelly | or if you're on irc all the time, it's easier to use judd |
| 16:33.48 | systemd0wn | I have a debian package, `sgml-base (1.26+nmu4)` that gives a non-zero exit on processing trigers. Is there a way I can get some more debug out of `apt-get install`? |
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| 16:38.22 | awal1 | jelly, right, judd is a good companion, but experimental still excluded :) |
| 16:38.38 | greycat | No, it's ont. |
| 16:38.52 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 16:38.53 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-trunk-686-pae (4.4.1-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-7~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
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| 16:39.51 | bytepool | systemd0wn: in /var/lib/dpkg/info, you should have sgml-base.preinst and .postinst. If you add 'set -x' after 'set -e' in those scripts, you will get the debug output of the shellscript during installation. |
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| 16:40.55 | awal1 | ho, ok, bad command I used for judd, i'm more familiar with dpkg, not judd |
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| 16:41.09 | awal1 | anyway, I'll check postgresql pack |
| 16:41.20 | systemd0wn | bytepool: `set -x`, genius, should have thought of that. Never thought about it working on anything but a script I wrote. and thanks for the log location. |
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| 16:47.15 | MrTrump | why wont gforth work? |
| 16:47.34 | TomTomTo2 | MrTrump, karma? |
| 16:47.43 | greycat | You'll have to give some details. |
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| 16:47.54 | mentor | l3archos, I refer you to my previous answer |
| 16:48.04 | mentor | l3archos, Disregard that |
| 16:48.11 | MrTrump | oh wait it does |
| 16:48.51 | Slydder | hey all. I get an email everyday with a listing of IP addresses and traffic (in bytes) in/out/total for all of our subnets where we have our racks. I would like to be able to generate graphs and reports from this information. I have already written a python script to sort all this into a mysql DB but do not have the time to write the code for graphs and reports. Could anyone suggest an application that may fit the bill? thanks. |
| 16:49.14 | l3archos | mentor: ? |
| 16:49.18 | greycat | Slydder: look at rrdtool |
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| 16:50.20 | abrotman | Slydder: why not just use ntop, which does this for you? |
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| 16:51.53 | Slydder | abrotman: it's a question of comparing what they are billing for and what we already have on record. |
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| 16:52.22 | Slydder | greycat: was thinking about rrdtool |
| 16:52.36 | damascene | no way to report bug on debian but by email? this reportbug created a file in temp only |
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| 16:52.42 | greycat | well, I guess that only really handles the graphs... don't know about reports |
| 16:53.02 | greycat | damascene: you can generate a bug report email yourself, if you prefer. |
| 16:53.03 | mentor | l3archos, Ignore me |
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| 16:53.54 | greycat | damascene: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 16:55.07 | damascene | I see, I'll need to study that before I report the bug. thanks |
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| 17:02.15 | pumpernickel | When will sid get the new libc patches? Or did it already and I missed it. |
| 17:02.31 | greycat | Ask #debian-next on OFTC. |
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| 17:03.30 | pumpernickel | greycat: Are the proper debian channels on OFTC and not Freenode? |
| 17:03.50 | greycat | Most of them are, yes. This one is still "proper", as long as people keep using it. |
| 17:04.21 | pumpernickel | Interesting, I hadn't even known about OFTC until I installed hexchat this morning. |
| 17:04.55 | pumpernickel | Until this morning, I wasn't even aware that xchat wasn't actively maintained (I noticed that the package doesn't exist in sid). |
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| 17:06.13 | markybob | pumpernickel: look into hexchat. it looks/acts just like xchat |
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| 17:07.11 | pumpernickel | markybob: I led with saying "I hadn't even known about OFTC until I installed hexchat this morning." |
| 17:07.25 | TheOnlyBouncer | i hate hexchat :P buggy piece of excrements |
| 17:07.31 | greycat | irc.debian.org is a nickname for irc6.geo.oftc.net |
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| 17:07.43 | jelly | TheOnlyBouncer: but it's differently buggy from xchat |
| 17:07.43 | pumpernickel | So I have a couple hours of use with it, so far I like it better. |
| 17:07.52 | ozette | i'm looking for a dcm4chee package, is the one by pablosau the only one available? i'm on debian 8 |
| 17:07.53 | markybob | pumpernickel: sorry, missed that bit |
| 17:07.56 | pumpernickel | At least the initial color coding |
| 17:08.00 | jelly | and I dare say slightly less buggy |
| 17:08.06 | pumpernickel | and fortunately, my xchat scripts were in python |
| 17:08.29 | TheOnlyBouncer | jelly, well my xchat never crashes, i prefer that any day :) |
| 17:08.55 | pumpernickel | I only have a couple hours with it, but it hasn't crashed yet. :-P |
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| 17:09.01 | jelly | pumpernickel: I just copied over the config, logs, scrollback, perl/py scripts, had to adapt the config file slightly |
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| 17:09.23 | jelly | TheOnlyBouncer: I've had both crash, hexchat a lot less often |
| 17:09.45 | pumpernickel | jelly: were does the config go? |
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| 17:09.56 | amdp | mentor: thank you I didn't know about the software |
| 17:09.58 | blenderror | hi |
| 17:09.59 | pumpernickel | local/hexchat, or is it .hexchat like xchat? |
| 17:10.13 | blenderror | it is good place to ask about debian testing? |
| 17:10.15 | jelly | pumpernickel: .config/hexchat/ |
| 17:10.24 | pumpernickel | Wow, that was a pretty confusing way for me to phrase that. |
| 17:10.38 | pumpernickel | good, additional benefit is that it doesn't further pollute my home directory. |
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| 17:10.55 | pumpernickel | jelly: thanks |
| 17:10.59 | jelly | but servlist_.conf is now servlist.conf and slightly different syntax. read hexchat's online docs, it's not hard to fix |
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| 17:12.12 | MrTrump | anyone here auth to active directory from debian? |
| 17:12.19 | jelly | !cve lookup CVE-2015-7547 |
| 17:12.20 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2015-7547 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-7547 |
| 17:12.28 | jelly | MrTrump: ldap auth works. |
| 17:12.46 | MrTrump | is ldap pretty straightforward to setup? |
| 17:13.04 | jelly | depends on the app |
| 17:13.06 | abrotman | probably depends on your technical ability .. |
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| 17:13.17 | jelly | I wouldn't call it straightforward |
| 17:15.36 | pumpernickel | This is relevant to my interests... |
| 17:15.54 | pumpernickel | My company's wifi requires authenticating. |
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| 17:17.34 | jelly | in fact I'd call the major free software implementation od ldap a pile of unfriendly crap |
| 17:17.41 | MrTrump | ah technical ability |
| 17:18.07 | jelly | but you have AD |
| 17:18.43 | MrTrump | well I have AD at work, and ansible to join boxes, I was looking at the ansible code, and was like wow this seems a lot of stuf |
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| 17:19.17 | folivora | Anyone installed Debian to Dell XPS 15 9550 ? |
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| 17:19.28 | abrotman | And if they have, what question might you have for them? |
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| 17:21.10 | jelly | "is it pretty" |
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| 17:21.30 | pumpernickel | haha |
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| 17:25.25 | folivora | Did they get it working, what issues if any ? |
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| 17:26.42 | at0m | folivora: easiest to find out yourself is to run a live CD with Debian |
| 17:26.54 | at0m | then come back with specific issues |
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| 17:27.09 | jelly | folivora: look under https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/ for possible reports |
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| 17:27.48 | markybob | folivora: if you use a live cd you should probably use the firmware one (for wifi) http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 17:28.53 | folivora | thanks jelly, seems that no reports about 9550. I will try with that live-cd which has non-free? firmware. |
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| 17:29.00 | folivora | markybob: thanks |
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| 17:29.44 | awal1 | Any idea on how to make 'youtube-dl' to not stop the download process when wireless connection is lost and wait for wireless to be re-connected and continue with the download pocess again? (sometimes I go work and I leave 'youtube-dl' on, downloading full & long playlists) |
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| 17:30.20 | TheOnlyBouncer | i currently have this issue updating from jessie to sid, any clue how to fix this? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=814647 |
| 17:30.22 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/814647 in libutempter0 (open): «libutempter0: fails to upgrade from 'jessie': chown: cannot access '/usr/lib/utempter': No such file or directory»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-02-13; last modified: 2016-02-13. |
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| 17:30.52 | markybob | TheOnlyBouncer: sid support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
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| 17:31.03 | at0m | awal1: but default, youtube-dl -c "continue", it resumes where it stopped |
| 17:31.11 | amdp | mentor: what should I add to my server IP addresses to have it in CIDR format about delivering or relaying mail? |
| 17:31.31 | at0m | awal1: so you can just start the youtube-dl again |
| 17:32.09 | TheOnlyBouncer | meh bloody oftc |
| 17:32.11 | awal1 | at0m, right, but once executed again by user (manually), was asking about make youtube-dl do it in auto mode |
| 17:32.31 | amdp | mentor: like if it is 1.0.0.120 what is the number I should add after 1.0.0.120/ ? |
| 17:32.31 | blind | does youtube-dl exit non-zero when it dies like that? |
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| 17:35.03 | blind | awal1: ^ |
| 17:35.31 | awal1 | blind, yes |
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| 17:36.10 | blind | until youtube-dl -c ...; do :; done |
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| 17:36.40 | jelly | blind: until ... is the same as while ! ... ? |
| 17:36.52 | blind | yeah |
| 17:37.13 | awal1 | blind, I no understand |
| 17:37.16 | awal1 | :D |
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| 17:37.32 | blind | you just need to add your arguments to the youtube-dl command and remove the "..." |
| 17:37.49 | blind | As long as it exits non-zero, the loop will run it again |
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| 17:38.35 | greycat | I'd replace the : with a sleep 3 or something similar. |
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| 17:43.30 | awal1 | blind, I'm a bit lost (I'm almost a novice). youtube-dl playlist/singlevideo-url and what exactly? |
| 17:44.25 | awal1 | i just want youtube-dl continue with download when wifi restablished and dont stop if wifi lost |
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| 17:46.09 | OerHeks | awal1, not sure this helps, but there is an option "--socket-timeout SECONDS " Time to wait before giving up, in seconds |
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| 17:47.25 | awal1 | 0erHeks, ok, I'll check that |
| 17:47.52 | greycat | The until loop hack sounds more likely to actually work. |
| 17:48.12 | greycat | until youtube-dl -c "yoururl"; do sleep 3; done |
| 17:48.12 | dontknow | mpv + youtube-dl is amazing |
| 17:48.59 | TheOnlyBouncer | youtube-dl can not download a lot of video's anymore though |
| 17:49.11 | TheOnlyBouncer | lot of 403 errors, protected video's |
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| 17:49.50 | dontknow | there is also mpv-youtube-dl-binding addon for iceweasel. it adds right click option to launch videos |
| 17:50.05 | dontknow | TheOnlyBouncer, youtube works fine |
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| 17:50.58 | TheOnlyBouncer | dontknow, depending on the video, lot of blocked content |
| 17:50.59 | awal1 | sometimes I go work leaving youtube-dl downloading a playlist containing 100+ long videos thinking that when I come back home I'll find the whole playlist downloaded yet but no, when I came back home I find youtube-dl stopped at video 3 (example) because of wifi lost, so I have to download again and again :( |
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| 17:51.34 | greycat | Oh, there is a *list* involved? Then you need a smarter script than just one stupid until loop. |
| 17:51.36 | awal1 | greycat, ok, thanks, I'll try that and see if it works |
| 17:52.20 | awal1 | greycat, yeah , I was talking about a playLIST, single video isn't really and isssue |
| 17:52.23 | awal1 | :D |
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| 17:54.00 | dontknow | TheOnlyBouncer, i have never encountered non playing video on youtube except location restricted videos |
| 17:54.35 | TheOnlyBouncer | dontknow, happening since yesterday |
| 17:54.43 | dontknow | oh |
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| 17:54.55 | matthiaskrgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.55 | matthiaskrgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.58 | TheOnlyBouncer | lot of 403, protected video error's |
| 17:55.00 | matthiaskrgr | did you try this ? |
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| 17:55.52 | dontknow | TheOnlyBouncer, i use backported one. do you use from jessie repos? |
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| 17:56.08 | matthiaskrgr | you can also combine it with --download-archive <file> to avoid downloading same stuff twice |
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| 17:57.42 | awal1 | matthiaskrgr, -R (--retries) option may be what I was looking for yes |
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| 17:57.57 | awal1 | youtube-dl -R infinite url |
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| 17:58.02 | awal1 | should be that |
| 17:58.13 | matthiaskrgr | ^.^ |
| 17:59.05 | awal1 | I just got a youtube-dl download error "[download] Got server HTTP error. Retrying (attempt 10 of 10)..." |
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| 17:59.19 | awal1 | so I'll add -R infinite and see :) |
| 18:00.18 | matthiaskrgr | always rtfm :> |
| 18:00.36 | greycat | https://xkcd.com/293/ |
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| 18:02.30 | TheOnlyBouncer | dontknow, lot of errors including: ERROR: unable to download video data: HTTP Error 403: Forbidden |
| 18:03.00 | dontknow | TheOnlyBouncer, install the backported one |
| 18:03.35 | dontknow | more up to date version |
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| 18:04.01 | awal1 | "youtube-dl --prefer-ffmpeg -R infinite youtubeurl" ---» "TypeError: %d format: a number is required, not float" |
| 18:04.16 | tertiary | is there a proper way to generate postrm scripts when creating a debian package? |
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| 18:04.30 | dontknow | youtube-dl requires frequent update |
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| 18:06.43 | matthiaskrgr | you could just clone the github repo |
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| 18:09.16 | dontknow | you can watch youtube videos with mpv + youtube-dl without requiring java script |
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| 18:10.34 | dontknow | i wonder if you guys browsing net without javascript |
| 18:11.10 | greycat | Sometimes. |
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| 18:13.01 | dontknow | i guess js doesn't fit debian policy. because they are non free |
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| 18:13.28 | TheOnlyBouncer | there are open js frameworks |
| 18:13.44 | dontknow | generally non free |
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| 18:14.22 | dontknow | most of them. almost all of them |
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| 18:16.31 | at0m | dontknow: last week little girl here had youtube file on repeat to learn a dance. played it maybe 40 times. youtube-dl ftw. |
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| 18:18.18 | dontknow | at0m, thats great |
| 18:18.38 | dontknow | or annoying lol |
| 18:19.00 | at0m | after 3 times i moved her to her room :D |
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| 18:20.52 | dontknow | iceweasel should come js disabled by default |
| 18:21.12 | markybob | dontknow: like most things you say that's nonsense |
| 18:21.14 | greycat | Not gonna happen. |
| 18:21.37 | dontknow | markybob, what was the last nonsense from me? |
| 18:21.43 | at0m | i tried people to run noscript. for 97% of users, that is most confusing. |
| 18:21.46 | greycat | Javascript the language does not violate Debian Free Software Guidelines, and users would walk away if Debian disabled Javascript in the most common browser. |
| 18:22.14 | at0m | i bet maybe one of them still has noscript enabled, and i advised a bunch. |
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| 18:22.59 | markybob | greycat: is it seriously? i hoped chromium had beat it |
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| 18:23.36 | greycat | ,popcon iceweasel |
| 18:23.38 | judd | Popcon data for iceweasel: inst: 103139, vote: 53290, old: 24502, recent: 25281, nofiles: 66 |
| 18:23.40 | greycat | ,popcon chromium |
| 18:23.41 | judd | Popcon data for chromium: inst: 27925, vote: 13790, old: 7272, recent: 6730, nofiles: 133 |
| 18:24.19 | dontknow | greycat, c is also language. but still... |
| 18:24.21 | markybob | that's...impressive. and not what i imagined. |
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| 18:24.59 | greycat | dontknow: An example of a free implementation of a Javascript runtime is... iceweasel. |
| 18:25.18 | dontknow | inst. mean installed? |
| 18:25.24 | greycat | I believe so. |
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| 18:26.07 | dontknow | it is good that chromium in sucked situation |
| 18:26.49 | dontknow | ,popcon youtube-dl |
| 18:26.50 | judd | Popcon data for youtube-dl: inst: 7399, vote: 2252, old: 3535, recent: 1598, nofiles: 14 |
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| 18:27.18 | dontknow | ,popcon mpv |
| 18:27.19 | judd | Popcon data for mpv: inst: 3519, vote: 1582, old: 1319, recent: 616, nofiles: 2 |
| 18:27.48 | dontknow | ,popcon mplayer |
| 18:27.50 | judd | Popcon data for mplayer: inst: 12278, vote: 5961, old: 5208, recent: 1104, nofiles: 5 |
| 18:27.50 | markybob | dontknow: /msg judd |
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| 18:28.53 | TomTomTo1 | the V8 engine is free too. BSD license. |
| 18:29.08 | dontknow | markybob, i thought you were ignoring me |
| 18:29.09 | TomTomTo1 | ^ chromium |
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| 18:29.55 | markybob | dontknow: unfortunately i'm on a different box that didn't have you on ignore |
| 18:30.02 | markybob | fixed |
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| 18:30.40 | markybob | dontknow: nor does me having you on ignore block judd |
| 18:30.41 | dontknow | ,popcon hexchat |
| 18:30.42 | judd | Popcon data for hexchat: inst: 1175, vote: 397, old: 446, recent: 332, nofiles: 0 |
| 18:30.53 | greycat | dontknow: please /msg judd |
| 18:31.25 | dontknow | greycat, how can i do that? |
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| 18:31.53 | at0m | /msg judd popcon dontknow |
| 18:32.12 | greycat | Works with the comma, too. Either way is fine. |
| 18:32.31 | dontknow | greycat, that's great |
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| 18:36.31 | dontknow | but these number from only popxon enabled people |
| 18:36.41 | gferencz | I use Xfce Debian Jessie. I'd like to not have to ssh-add my key and enter the passphrase on each new session. I tried adding the IdentityKey to the ~/.ssh/config file, but that didn't seem to help. Is there a sane way to automatically add and unlock the key each session, or is that generally frowned upon? |
| 18:36.59 | cyst | Stupid question perhaps. But does anyone know if there is a way to make the password dialog when decrypting on bootup look nicer? |
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| 18:38.08 | dontknow | cyst, you mean luks encryption? |
| 18:38.25 | dontknow | if so there is one way but i forgot its name |
| 18:38.30 | petn-randall | gferencz: If you don't want to enter the password, you can simply unset it. |
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| 18:40.42 | dontknow | cyst, i remember. it is called splash |
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| 18:41.10 | greycat | gferencz: you can set the passphrase on your private key to the empty string, but yes, that is frowned upon. |
| 18:41.15 | gferencz | petn-randall, I'd prefer to keep the passphrase for security of the file, but have it stored and encrypted locally for the convenience. |
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| 18:42.21 | petn-randall | gferencz: If you want to "automagically" ssh-add the key, you'll have to store the passphrase somewhere in cleartext, defeating the security benefit. |
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| 18:42.32 | cyst | yeah, looks like its plymouth that i need |
| 18:43.03 | greycat | gferencz: At least one of the #openssh regulars uses a special PAM setup that shares his login password with his key... somehow... you'd have to ask there. I don't know the details. |
| 18:43.20 | dontknow | cyst, yes it was plymouth |
| 18:43.25 | gferencz | petn-randall, greycat, I guess I can't have my cake and eat it too... Thanks for the tips! |
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| 18:45.29 | cyst | dontknow: seems like a lot of fuss to install it tho, need to fiddle with initram and grub. Seems logical but this makes me question the purpose of doing it hehe |
| 18:45.34 | cyst | but thanks for the input! |
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| 18:48.32 | dontknow | cyst, last time i remember it wasn't too hard |
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| 18:48.51 | dontknow | i remember i just edited the grub |
| 18:48.52 | Delf | Not sure if it's dependency problems when trying to install pulseaudio-module-bluetooth |
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| 18:51.01 | dontknow | cyst, but it shows how long the password is |
| 18:51.19 | dontknow | like this ******* |
| 18:51.41 | dontknow | i think there is reason luks doesn't show it |
| 18:51.50 | Delf | Using Jessie which is up to date. http://paste.debian.net/392173/ |
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| 18:57.04 | c0mrad3 | I have messed up with my sources and my debian stable is showing as linux mint debian edition can some one help me fix it ? here is my sources list https://paste.debian.net/391978/ |
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| 18:58.08 | zykotick9 | cyst: sidenote - i've historically had to disable quiet/splash in order to see the luks password prompt... ymmv... |
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| 18:59.12 | dontknow | c0mrad3, good luck with that |
| 18:59.40 | markybob | c0mrad3: did you start off with linux mint? or added it later? did you ever have mint sources? |
| 18:59.47 | dontknow | zykotick9, you mean password itself in normal form? |
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| 19:00.45 | zykotick9 | dontknow: yes. with one or both of those... i've seen nothing... which kinda sucks. you can type the password blind however ;) |
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| 19:01.30 | cyst | dontknow: yeah so noone cannot guess your passwd lenght |
| 19:01.46 | c0mrad3 | markybob: no I started with debian stable but I added that source for installing mate I guess ! |
| 19:01.54 | cyst | zykotick9: yeah thats what made me realize that Ãf i mess up it wont allow me to boot so that i can fix it |
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| 19:02.08 | zykotick9 | cyst: i agree with not showing the *'s while typing password! i don't think it should be a blank screen.... |
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| 19:02.50 | markybob | c0mrad3: debian stable doesn't have mate. that's where you screwed up |
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| 19:03.31 | markybob | c0mrad3: i'm sorry, that's wrong. but adding a third party source will do that |
| 19:03.48 | markybob | for some reason i thought that was only testing/sid |
| 19:04.06 | c0mrad3 | markybob: sorry I added the mint source for Cinamman not for mate! I get confused with this dam de ! |
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| 19:04.22 | greycat | ,v mate-desktop-environment |
| 19:04.23 | judd | Package: mate-desktop-environment on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.0+7~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.0+9; stretch: 1.12.0+1; sid: 1.12.0+1 |
| 19:04.26 | markybob | !tell c0mrad3 about frankendebian |
| 19:04.44 | c0mrad3 | what can I do to get all my packages into stable! |
| 19:05.03 | greycat | c0mrad3: It depends on *what* you installed that wasn't from stable. Some things are not reversible. |
| 19:05.05 | markybob | c0mrad3: unfortunately nothing |
| 19:05.38 | greycat | If all you installed was this mate-desktop thing then *maybe* you can simply remove it all. But if you also dragged in new libc6, libstdc++* and so on, you're not going back. |
| 19:06.04 | cyst | ill try it in a vm tomorrow first |
| 19:06.12 | zykotick9 | c0mrad3: for future reference, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 19:07.58 | c0mrad3 | markybob: I used this guide for installing cinemmon https://packages.debian.org/sid/main/cinnamon-desktop-environment zykotick9 |
| 19:08.19 | greycat | is mate different from cinnamon? |
| 19:08.27 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.36 | markybob | greycat: yes |
| 19:08.36 | greycat | ,v cinnamon |
| 19:08.37 | judd | Package: cinnamon on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.16-5; sid: 2.8.6-1; stretch: 2.8.6-1 |
| 19:08.47 | greycat | Jessie has both of them, whatever they are. |
| 19:08.59 | c0mrad3 | if I remove the mint line in sources list and do dist-upgrade can I get my stable system ? markybob greycat |
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| 19:09.16 | markybob | c0mrad3: there's no going back |
| 19:09.23 | greycat | c0mrad3: Only someone who has *actually done what you did* and *observed the process* can answer that, probably. |
| 19:09.34 | markybob | c0mrad3: if you had mint sources and installed things from it...you're done |
| 19:09.35 | r6ku | greycat: mate = gnome2, cinnamon is an ongoing attempt to save gnome3 from its current devs |
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| 19:09.42 | c0mrad3 | then I installed from some other guide but I didn't install it from source! |
| 19:09.44 | greycat | As I said before, it MIGHT be possible to REMOVE all of the mint crap you installed. Or it might not. |
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| 19:10.33 | markybob | r6ku: greycat which is a mess. i tried it yesterday because i hate myself. kept locking up for no reason |
| 19:10.46 | zykotick9 | likes markybob's reply... but thinks greycat is probably "technically" correct... |
| 19:11.10 | c0mrad3 | greycat: markybob so what's the best thing I can do now ? I don't want to use something called linux Mint, reinstall is not a option as I configured to much of my system and re-install is not a option |
| 19:11.45 | markybob | c0mrad3: probably make a backup of important things. keep going 'til it breaks |
| 19:11.45 | blind | reinstall is your easiest, cleanest option. |
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| 19:12.33 | karlpinc | c0mrad3: You can backup your files in /etc/ and re-install. See also the <aptitude clone>. |
| 19:13.03 | zykotick9 | karlpinc: i wouldn't apt-clone between distros... |
| 19:13.20 | karlpinc | zykotick9: I'm just thinking for a list of installed packages. |
| 19:13.22 | markybob | c0mrad3: yeah, listen to zykotick9 about that one |
| 19:13.28 | c0mrad3 | karlpinc: I have a lot of source code cloned in my home folder :( |
| 19:13.29 | greycat | Also back up /home if it's not simply a separate file system that you can just mount. |
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| 19:13.46 | greycat | You should *always* back up /etc and /home if you do nothing else. |
| 19:13.49 | at0m | and /var/lib |
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| 19:13.56 | markybob | zykotick9: i don't know what mint does but debian does some weird things...like with apache. |
| 19:14.05 | c0mrad3 | is it possible to upgrade to testing and atleast have clean testing of debian ? markybob greycat |
| 19:14.18 | greycat | c0mrad3: Only someone who knows mint can answer this. |
| 19:14.33 | karlpinc | !frankendebian |
| 19:14.33 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 19:14.34 | markybob | c0mrad3: you can't mix distros like that. you're better off backing up and reinstalling. |
| 19:14.39 | greycat | You could check whether *every single package* on your system is <= the testing version. |
| 19:14.42 | c0mrad3 | dam this mint ! |
| 19:14.42 | karlpinc | can't resist that facotid. :-) |
| 19:15.40 | c0mrad3 | greycat: doesn't dist-upgrade take care of the reducing the version! |
| 19:15.41 | karlpinc | zykotick9: How bad could it be to install the debian versions of everything? Surely would not be as broken as it is and probably would be just fine. That's my thought. |
| 19:15.48 | greycat | NO! Never! |
| 19:15.49 | karlpinc | !downgrade |
| 19:15.49 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 19:16.02 | markybob | c0mrad3: never |
| 19:16.06 | greycat | Apt only goes up. Never down. |
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| 19:16.16 | c0mrad3 | dam! |
| 19:16.22 | karlpinc | c0mrad3: And therein lies your problem. Newer configs might cause problems with older software. |
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| 19:17.16 | karlpinc | c0mrad3: Depends on what packages, how many were installed. You might, possibly, get lucky. In any case you'd have a road to sanity. |
| 19:17.22 | c0mrad3 | so one thing I could test is that updating my system to testing and hope every thing in my system are less than testing! |
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| 19:17.51 | markybob | c0mrad3: don't upgrade to testing. that'll make it worse |
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| 19:18.10 | karlpinc | !partial downgrade |
| 19:18.11 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
| 19:18.42 | karlpinc | c0mrad3: Step 1. Make backup. |
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| 19:19.00 | c0mrad3 | okay! then I will stick to stable and then remove the mint one in my sources https://paste.debian.net/391978/ |
| 19:19.08 | karlpinc | c0mrad3: Step 2. Make sure backup is usable! |
| 19:19.19 | c0mrad3 | karlpinc: ya backup! getting ready my external harddisk! |
| 19:19.19 | markybob | c0mrad3: but the damage is already done |
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| 19:19.32 | markybob | c0mrad3: removing the sources does nothing to revert it |
| 19:19.35 | dontknow | c0mrad3, dude. just reinstall |
| 19:19.45 | c0mrad3 | next time I won't repeat it! |
| 19:20.06 | c0mrad3 | dontknow: reinstall wastes hell of time of mine! |
| 19:20.14 | karlpinc | c0mrad3: Re-install is really the best option. Otherwise things may be subtilely broken and you won't know until they break at the wrong time. |
| 19:20.26 | markybob | c0mrad3: so do config problems/security issues/things just not working |
| 19:20.35 | karlpinc | c0mrad3: You have the configs, and /home. You can re-create your work. |
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| 19:24.15 | karlpinc | (There's also /var/www and a few other odd corners to backup, depending on what you've installed. I most comfortable when backing up _everything_ : all mounted regular filesystems.) |
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| 19:24.37 | karlpinc | /usr/local/.... |
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| 19:24.53 | karlpinc | /srv/ |
| 19:24.56 | markybob | maybe /opt |
| 19:25.10 | karlpinc | /var/mail/ |
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| 19:25.46 | c0mrad3 | karlpinc: I did a risk removed the last few unnecessary lines and doing dist-upgrade and everything working fine! |
| 19:26.05 | markybob | c0mrad3: for now |
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| 19:26.59 | c0mrad3 | markybob: when I might have issues ? |
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| 19:27.32 | markybob | c0mrad3: whenever some packages from mint and debian conflict |
| 19:27.57 | karlpinc | c0mrad3: You've not got rid of your mint packages, so any time you use them or install anything new for any reason. |
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| 19:28.45 | markybob | c0mrad3: up to you if you want pain now or pain later. i always choose now |
| 19:28.45 | c0mrad3 | hope I don't need any of the mint packages ! |
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| 19:30.07 | karlpinc | c0mrad3: You could list them using apt-cacher, and force a re-install of the debian versions. But you'd still have the mint configs for these packages. So you'd have to save the configs, install the stock debian configs, and re-configure to match the saved configs. |
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| 19:30.43 | karlpinc | oops. apt-cache |
| 19:30.50 | c0mrad3 | that's fine karlpinc can you say me how to do that ? |
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| 19:31.40 | c0mrad3 | karlpinc: how to force install debian ones ? |
| 19:31.41 | karlpinc | c0mrad3: I can't really recall offhand. I'd have to read the man pages. So, better if you read the man pages and then ask here again when you've questions. :-) |
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| 19:32.08 | c0mrad3 | dam! |
| 19:32.08 | karlpinc | c0mrad3: Start with getting a list of the mint packages with apt-cache. |
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| 19:51.59 | yed | is zsh the default shell in debian |
| 19:52.10 | greycat | No. Bash is. |
| 19:52.17 | greycat | (Default user login shell, that is.) |
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| 20:05.52 | MarcL | sometimes I need to use Flash because of some websites that still need it for some functions, I have installed flash plugin nonfree and I use it on Iceweasel, alternatively I use Chrome that has pepper plugin preinstalled. Some linux user advised me to uninstall Chrome and Adobe Flash and install Chromium and Pepper Flash plugin that is better that Adobe and it will be used from both Chromium and Iceweasel. What do you think? Please advice me |
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| 20:07.51 | jelly | MarcL: pepper flash plugin is precisely the same one you have in chrome right now |
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| 20:08.25 | jelly | MarcL: in fact, debian's downloader for pepper flash downloads the whole of Chrome again, then ignores everything except that one plugin |
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| 20:11.52 | c0mrad3 | karlpinc: this one helps I guess https://scottlinux.com/2013/05/14/convert-lmde-to-debian-wheezy/ |
| 20:12.01 | c0mrad3 | for me! |
| 20:12.36 | MrTrump | How do I set something to start on boot again? |
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| 20:13.03 | greycat | Depends on what it is, and what you did before. In some cases: systemctl enable foo.service |
| 20:13.08 | MarcL | jelly, this means that using Chromium needs Chrome also just for its plugin.. . if it is so seems not so useful to use Chromium |
| 20:13.29 | markybob | MarcL: no it doesn't |
| 20:14.18 | jelly | MarcL: people avoid the chrome build for other reasons, including some default settings they deem problematic from a privacy pov |
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| 20:16.53 | jelly | pepperflashplugin-nonfree package description says > This package will download Chrome from Google, and unpack it to make the included Pepper Flash Player available for use with Chromium. |
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| 20:17.39 | MarcL | jelly, but Chrome is sandboxed and the privacy and all the default settings could be changed even if it is a proprietary closed source software.. after all it's a very safe and secure browser, please correct me if I am wrong |
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| 20:18.25 | jelly | MarcL: I don't see anything to correct in that statement :-) |
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| 20:20.38 | MarcL | jelly, ;-) |
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| 20:22.51 | pandrew | Hey guys. For a while I've been using this firewall script: http://pastebin.com/UxFUazxD , in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d |
| 20:23.30 | pandrew | and it worked fine, except recently after booting sometimes I cannot initiate new tcp connections |
| 20:24.18 | pandrew | I noticed that I can get out of this state by temporarly running iptable -F INPUT, and then rerunning the full firewall script |
| 20:25.09 | MarcL | Do you think that the option "use the hardware acceleration when available" could be a threat for security and privacy? |
| 20:26.10 | dontknow | MarcL, i think it would be threat for security not the privacy |
| 20:26.15 | pandrew | I am thinking that either: 1) I'm hitting some kind of bug with connection tracking, or 2) There is some kind of network packet that I am blocking that is sent out only on first connection, and I shouldn't be blocking it |
| 20:26.37 | pandrew | Has anybody experienced something like this? Or do you see something essential that I'm missing in my firewall script? |
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| 20:27.07 | Seekha | Does anyone is confortable with the arm branch of the debian distro (let's say the same processor as the BeagleBone Black) ? |
| 20:27.41 | MarcL | dontknow, thx |
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| 20:28.14 | greycat | dontknow: please explain how "use hardware acceleration" is a security threat. |
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| 20:29.36 | jelly | MarcL: nah, I was thinking more "incremental search suggestions" |
| 20:29.44 | dontknow | greycat, every feature, every parameter is security threat |
| 20:30.05 | greycat | dontknow: everything you say is stupid |
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| 20:30.59 | MarcL | jelly, ok |
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| 20:33.14 | MrTrump | http://www.ultratechnology.com/method.htm this is how I cod |
| 20:34.11 | pandrew | gonna reboot, to do some testing, but I'm still here on pandrew_mobile. Got to say, it's kind of hard to debug this as it only happens on boot. |
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| 20:37.24 | MarcL | one of the things that I have deactivated for privacy is "protect you and your device from dangerous sites" because it send continuosly your web pages to check if it is a malicious website, but I think that with a minimum of common sense we could do without that option enabled |
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| 20:38.14 | MarcL | it send it to the google servers to check it* |
| 20:38.46 | RoyK | MarcL: and then someone changes your DNS settings? ;) |
| 20:38.53 | MrTrump | lol |
| 20:39.21 | MrTrump | is it possible for hiawatha a threaded server to out perform nginx a eventy webserver? |
| 20:39.45 | RoyK | MrTrump: everything's possible |
| 20:39.52 | MarcL | RoyK, i |
| 20:39.53 | RoyK | I haven't even heard of the thing |
| 20:40.32 | MarcL | RoyK, I think that the dns setting is easy to check |
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| 20:40.37 | MrTrump | https://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/about |
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| 20:41.17 | MrTrump | maybe node.js is evil and server side web coding is still the best way |
| 20:41.23 | MrTrump | :) |
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| 20:41.26 | ChoppedDill | Can someone comfirm this with pulseaudio installed under Testing or Unstable: `pactl set-sink-volume 0 -5%` gives pactl: invalid option -- '5' ? |
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| 20:42.25 | MarcL | but I think that the real privacy problem is the own internet service provider, much more than websites :) |
| 20:42.47 | ChoppedDill | am running Stable with pulseaudio-utils ( where pactl comes from ), don't know if this is fixed or not |
| 20:42.52 | littlebear | MrTrump, how is node.js evil?' |
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| 20:43.53 | RoyK | MrTrump: I beleive web stuff must be done both on server and client side to be good |
| 20:43.55 | jelly | littlebear, MrTrump: use this channel for tech support questions about software in debian, please |
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| 20:44.15 | RoyK | jelly: perhaps we got a bit offtopic - sorry |
| 20:44.28 | jelly | for system design find a programming channel or wherever |
| 20:44.39 | RoyK | (*far* offtopic) |
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| 20:44.49 | greycat | Not that far. |
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| 20:45.47 | ChoppedDill | package is `pulseadio-utils 5.0-13`, newest in Stable |
| 20:45.56 | Ioannis_F | For the recent CVE-2015-7547 exploit, if i understand correctly its for glibc but to update on debian its eglibc correct? |
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| 20:46.32 | RoyK | MrTrump: come to #debian-offtopic |
| 20:46.36 | MrTrump | k |
| 20:46.54 | greycat | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-7547 |
| 20:47.19 | greycat | Current Debian stable does not use eglibc. |
| 20:47.38 | Ioannis_F | ah based on relase - cool i'm running Jessie so glibc it is - Thanks greycat |
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| 21:00.20 | aleksa | Hello! My MP4 player doesn't work well with mtp, but it also supports mass storage. However, I cannot get to make it work. |
| 21:01.08 | aleksa | I used to "comment" the rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/*.* that says to mount it using mtp |
| 21:01.49 | aleksa | by that I mean, I've commented (put #) on line where its VID and PID are mentioned. |
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| 21:09.04 | hexnewbie | How do I make aptitude not remove autoinstalled packages for this iteration of upgrade? |
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| 21:09.56 | hexnewbie | The man page suggested -R, which worked on one of the servers, but it seems it deleted a multitude of package on 10 others, and I am trying to run this without disturbing anything, even hypothetically |
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| 21:11.48 | timothywcrane | Installing web server on deb7. Install offering 2 kernels linux-image-amd64 & linux-image-amd64.... Should I have a preference? |
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| 21:15.28 | c0mrad3 | guys how to reset the value of issue and lsb release etc ? to the default value like debian 8 |
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| 21:15.42 | greycat | Reinstall. |
| 21:15.56 | jelly | c0mrad3: what's the current value? |
| 21:16.07 | greycat | jelly: this is the frankendebian linux-mint + debian guy. |
| 21:16.16 | jelly | ha |
| 21:16.32 | c0mrad3 | I fixed the packages btw greycat :) |
| 21:16.36 | timothywcrane | Sorry. Other kernel is linux-image-3.2.0-4amd64 |
| 21:16.39 | greycat | no, you clearly did not. |
| 21:16.57 | littlebear | jelly, thx |
| 21:17.02 | greycat | If you can't even handle overwriting/downgrading the base-files package, there is NO CHANCE in hell you handled the really hard ones. |
| 21:17.05 | c0mrad3 | jelly: it saying debing mint :) |
| 21:17.11 | c0mrad3 | greycat: http://linuxg.net/how-to-convert-linux-mint-debian-edition-lmde-to-debian-wheezy/ |
| 21:17.26 | greycat | I don't give a shit what some web page with "linux" in its domain says. |
| 21:17.32 | hexnewbie | I basically want to upgrade libc6 on 100 systems, but apt-get can't do it (without upgrading other packages, or marking the packages as manually installed), and aptitude can't do it (without removing 20-30 packages). So how do I do it? |
| 21:17.35 | quantic | That's beyond stupid. |
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| 21:18.11 | greycat | hexnewbie: what does "apt-get install libc6" do? |
| 21:18.20 | c0mrad3 | only one left is to change the value in issue and os greycat how to get it ? |
| 21:18.35 | Stameni | Please, how do I turn off beeps in terminal ? |
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| 21:18.51 | greycat | c0mrad3: I even *told you* just now. If you didn't see it, you are in so far over your head that there is no rescuing you. |
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| 21:19.14 | greycat | Stameni: if you're in X: xset b off |
| 21:19.21 | timothywcrane | Installing generic kernel hoping for the best |
| 21:19.43 | MrTrump | dweebs in offtopic silenced me |
| 21:19.43 | Stameni | greycat: only console ( terminal ) beeps, not on whole system |
| 21:19.44 | hexnewbie | greycat: That may work, I was trying aptitude -R upgrade '~n ^libc6' to avoid listing all the packages. |
| 21:19.45 | MrTrump | the cheek |
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| 21:20.19 | greycat | Stameni: for Linux console, see "man setterm" and look for bell |
| 21:20.29 | Stameni | Granis: thank you |
| 21:20.53 | Stameni | greycat: thank you |
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| 21:21.03 | karlpinc | hexnewbie: Why would you want to upgrade libc6? Is it because of the dns bug? |
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| 21:21.17 | hexnewbie | karlpinc: Yeah. |
| 21:21.18 | greycat | The real question is why he doesn't want the rest of the security fixes. |
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| 21:21.53 | hexnewbie | greycat: Because there's nobody at work, not even me. So who knows what might happen. |
| 21:21.53 | timothywcrane | Will I get away without non-free and contrib on a basic apache server? |
| 21:22.15 | Stameni | greycat: so I can set blenght to 0 i suppose |
| 21:22.16 | greycat | If you need them, you can always add them later. |
| 21:22.43 | timothywcrane | Though so... Thanks |
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| 21:22.59 | timothywcrane | T |
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| 21:23.36 | Stameni | setterm: terminal xterm does not support --blength |
| 21:23.38 | rainfyre | this: linuxg.net/how-to-convert-linux-mint-debian-edition-lmde-to-debian-wheezy/ |
| 21:23.54 | greycat | Stameni: Then you are *IN X* and not on the Linux console. In X: xset b off |
| 21:23.55 | rainfyre | is the funniest thing i've seen in quite a while |
| 21:23.58 | jelly | hexnewbie: but you do know what will happen when you restart ALL the processes and services that use glibc? |
| 21:24.32 | hexnewbie | jelly: Yes. |
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| 21:25.17 | Stameni | greycat: thanks but still beeping |
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| 21:26.05 | hexnewbie | jelly: At the moment I am more concerned with the shortlived processes, which do not need restart and do more DNS lookups to anywhere, though. I can restart services tomorrow morning. |
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| 21:27.56 | Shibe | guys |
| 21:27.58 | Shibe | please help |
| 21:28.05 | Shibe | I cant do "make deb-pkg" on custom kernel |
| 21:28.24 | Shibe | http://i.shibe.ml/QmQEvnUx4mu2sMcaYxu8noyzNTxkCGU4TUqA8DtJX3dqci.png |
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| 21:29.16 | Stameni | man set |
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| 21:29.30 | hexnewbie | greycat: Yeah, that did it. So far 10-15 went without any trouble. Thanks. |
| 21:29.33 | greycat | xset, not set. set is a shell builtin that alters shell options or positional parameters. |
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| 21:30.20 | Shibe | can anybody help? |
| 21:30.28 | Shibe | anybody else run into this issue with make deb-pkg? |
| 21:30.59 | hexnewbie | Stameni: You could also make pulseaudio take over the X bell (there are guides online on how to do it). |
| 21:32.06 | Stameni | sorry, i think that sound that i hear comes from regular laptop speaker |
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| 21:32.34 | hexnewbie | Stameni: The laptops I've seen produce the soundspeaker sounds through the regular speakers. |
| 21:32.34 | Stameni | and it happens when i try to use tab completion and when edit text files in vim |
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| 21:33.31 | Stameni | I have found this guide here |
| 21:33.37 | Stameni | https://linuxconfig.org/turn-off-beep-bell-on-linux-terminal |
| 21:33.37 | hexnewbie | Stameni: In some cases the sound level of the "speaker" can be individually controlled with alsamixer. But I am not sure if laptops do it that way (I may be mixing up with my old desktop wiring. :) ) |
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| 21:33.52 | greycat | What did I say about domains with "linux" in their names... |
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| 21:34.12 | Stameni | sorry greycat, I'm new here |
| 21:34.27 | greycat | This guide says to edit /etc/inputrc which is a configuration file for readline/bash only. |
| 21:34.46 | greycat | Then it says to edit .vimrc which is obviously for vim only.... |
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| 21:37.17 | jhutchins | greycat: What DID you say about domains with "linux" in their names? |
| 21:37.33 | Stameni | greycat: yes but xset b off does not work in my case |
| 21:37.56 | egrain | hi. i installed openssl and openssh via the apt-get and dpkg -s says i have openssl Version: 1.0.2f-2 and openssh client/server Version: 1:7.1p2-2, but if i do ssh -V it says: OpenSSH_6.8p1, OpenSSL 1.0.2d 9 Jul 2015. |
| 21:38.00 | egrain | what did i do wrong? |
| 21:38.21 | greycat | Stameni: I am not even able to turn my bell *on* to try to reproduce the behavior. |
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| 21:39.11 | greycat | Maybe this computer doesn't have one. I don't know. |
| 21:39.33 | Stameni | greycat: lucky you :). Its so annoying to hear that beep over and over again like i try to format my / partition and not trying to tab complete |
| 21:40.03 | greycat | If you don't use emacs key bindings in bash, you could always do "set -o vi". For some reason, bash only beeps in emacs (default) mode. I never understood why. |
| 21:40.22 | greycat | I have no idea why xset b off wouldn't work. |
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| 21:41.12 | Stameni | I`ll try the fuide I just pasted here if there is no more convenient way to do it. Thank you anyway |
| 21:41.18 | Stameni | guide* |
| 21:41.29 | greycat | "guide" |
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| 21:44.19 | jelly | egrain: which debian release are you using? Be aware that some software is split into multiple binary packages. if you want to know which package /usr/bin/ssh belongs to, run dpkg -S /usr/bin/ssh |
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| 21:45.03 | Stameni | in /etc/inputrc uncommenting "set bell-style none" works for tab completion |
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| 21:45.17 | egrain | i have two installed it seems. one in /usr/bin and one in /usr/local/bin |
| 21:45.21 | egrain | in local bin is the old one. |
| 21:45.33 | egrain | how can i tell debian to always use the one in /usr/bin? |
| 21:45.42 | jelly | egrain: which debian release are you using? |
| 21:45.43 | egrain | right now it is using /usr/local/bin/ssh ... |
| 21:46.04 | egrain | how do i find that out? |
| 21:46.06 | greycat | Stameni: There is also a ~/.inputrc option which your "guide" didn't bother to mention. |
| 21:46.08 | awal1 | "radio" ---» "open /dev/radio0: No such file or directory", seems that /dev/radio is missing completely. Why so? Which system component should create/provide that? |
| 21:46.14 | jelly | egrain: which debian did you install? |
| 21:46.21 | awal1 | linux? |
| 21:46.32 | egrain | i didn't. it's not even my server. i was just asked to fix things. |
| 21:46.49 | egrain | do you think i would install ssh by hand? i know how a packet manager works. |
| 21:46.52 | jelly | egrain: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy base-files libc6 openssl openssh" and "apt-cache policy" |
| 21:46.53 | greycat | egrain: Probably the simplest would be chmod 000 /usr/local/bin/ssh |
| 21:47.17 | greycat | Simplest because it can be changed back if you need to change it back later. |
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| 21:47.50 | jelly | egrain: installed and available versions of base-files and libc6 will point out to which debian release you're supposed to be running |
| 21:47.52 | jelly | also, |
| 21:47.54 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 21:47.54 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 21:49.00 | egrain | http://pastebin.com/1pW6dSRj |
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| 21:49.41 | egrain | debian_version: 8.2 |
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| 21:51.34 | jelly | egrain: you have sid repositories enabled, this is a grave mistake |
| 21:51.51 | egrain | how so? |
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| 21:52.27 | jelly | egrain: mixing current release with anything newer results in technical problems, pain and misery |
| 21:52.56 | jhutchins | egrain: What's happening with ssh is that your shell is finding the /usr/local/bin first. You need to change the order of your path, or simply make the /usr/local/bin version non-executable (chmod -x /usr/local/bin/ssh). |
| 21:53.08 | egrain | well, i can't change that. i need the newest openssl and openssh on it. |
| 21:53.14 | greycat | Why? |
| 21:53.33 | egrain | security? |
| 21:53.47 | hexnewbie | egrain: Er, what security? |
| 21:53.48 | egrain | where are those paths? |
| 21:53.51 | jhutchins | egrain: sid and testing have lower security profiles than stable. |
| 21:53.51 | greycat | Debian stable's packages receive security patches long before unstable does. |
| 21:54.18 | teraflops | egrain: http://security.debian.org/ exists |
| 21:54.29 | quantic | it's like people don't read documentation. :/ |
| 21:54.36 | jhutchins | egrain: What about sshd? Isn't it more likely that the server will receive connections than initiate them? |
| 21:54.50 | jelly | egrain: "latest" and "security" are a bit incompatible in debian. |
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| 21:55.28 | Stameni | greycat: in terminal - edit -> profile preferences: general - there is "terminal bell" check box |
| 21:55.34 | jelly | egrain: do you have any actual tech issues to solve on this system? |
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| 21:55.42 | jelly | egrain: or just need to patch it up? |
| 21:55.52 | greycat | Stameni: so, something in your particular terminal is overriding xset b? I guess that's possible. |
| 21:55.58 | egrain | yeah, i want to change the paths so that it uses the newer ssh in /usr/bin not the older in /usr/local/bin. |
| 21:56.21 | greycat | egrain: changing every user and daemon's PATH is going to be ugly. Just chmod 000 /usr/local/bin/ssh instead. |
| 21:56.30 | Stameni | greycat: yes, it looks like that now it all behave as I like |
| 21:56.33 | jelly | egrain: well, just remove the build in /usr/local/bin. That way you don't have to change PATH |
| 21:56.40 | egrain | chmod -x /usr/local/bin/ssh = ssh -V bash: /usr/local/bin/ssh: Permission denied |
| 21:56.54 | jelly | egrain: tell bash to "hash -r" |
| 21:56.56 | greycat | In your shell, hash ssh |
| 21:56.58 | votek | i can connect to my wifi in windows.. but in debian netinstall with wireless firmware, it will not connect to the network.. its a open wireless network no ey, it wont complete dhcp handshake in debian.. any ideas |
| 21:56.59 | greycat | or hash -r |
| 21:56.59 | votek | ? |
| 21:57.17 | votek | ey=key |
| 21:57.20 | greycat | Your shell cached the old value, which is no longer usable. |
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| 21:58.09 | egrain | -x and hash -r worked. |
| 21:58.19 | egrain | is sshd also 7.1p2 now? |
| 21:58.23 | egrain | now idea how to check that. |
| 21:58.25 | greycat | Not in stable. |
| 21:58.54 | greycat | A real test would be "telnet localhost 22" |
| 21:58.57 | egrain | stable schmable. it's not my server. i told them not to do it. they wanted to have the newest openssl/ssh. i don't care. |
| 21:59.00 | jelly | egrain: you'll want to downgrade all the stuff you installed from sid. do you still have output of that installation ? |
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| 21:59.22 | egrain | output? i haven't installed it. |
| 22:00.14 | quantic | egrain: Correct response: "You don't need the newest. You need the most stable and secure." |
| 22:00.26 | jhutchins | egrain: There is a procedure to properly backport sid packages to stable. /msg dpkg ssb for more info. If you must have sid packages, do it that way. |
| 22:00.35 | greycat | Too late. |
| 22:00.47 | jhutchins | egrain: It won't fix the security problems though. |
| 22:00.53 | jelly | egrain: you upgraded at least openssl: Installed: 1.0.2f-2 |
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| 22:01.19 | epsilon | quantic: whished "correct responce" would work in business environment -_- |
| 22:01.21 | egrain | ssh -V gives me: OpenSSH_7.1p2 Debian-2, OpenSSL 1.0.2e 3 Dec 2015 |
| 22:01.28 | jelly | and possibly some more |
| 22:01.32 | egrain | so i still need openssl to be 1.0.2f |
| 22:01.40 | quantic | epsilon: Works in MY business environment. If it didn't, I'd quit and find a new MSP to hire me. |
| 22:01.48 | egrain | by the way. i really appreciate you guys helping me with this mess. |
| 22:01.58 | greycat | egrain: You're running unstable at this point. Support for unstable is in #debian-next on the OFTC network. |
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| 22:02.10 | egrain | don't send me away! |
| 22:02.48 | quantic | egrain: Options are three. 1. Downgrade back to stable. Good luck. 2. Reinstall stable. 3. #debian-next :/ |
| 22:02.49 | jelly | egrain: no, no you don't need 1.0.2f, you need a system that has security updates. |
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| 22:03.57 | egrain | well, how do i apply those? |
| 22:04.06 | quantic | egrain: By running stable. |
| 22:04.07 | jhutchins | egrain: It might be useful to explain to your clients that a debian package version number is not the same as an upstream package number, Debian packages frequently apply patches from newer versions of the upstream release. |
| 22:04.10 | ChoppedDill | votek: 1) is the kernel driver for the network interface loaded 2) did you try connecting with nmctl or netctl ? |
| 22:04.14 | jelly | egrain: so, do you have output of openssl installation or not? If not, you'll have to look at dpkg or apt or aptitude logs |
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| 22:05.00 | egrain | i don't. so dpkg -s openssl? or what do i need? |
| 22:05.06 | jelly | egrain: first, remove sid from /etc/apt/sources.list. Make sure the remaining enabled repos match |
| 22:05.10 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 22:05.10 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 22:05.43 | votek | ChoppedDill, i just used the the netinstall iso that had wireless firmware |
| 22:05.59 | votek | its like 250 megs |
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| 22:06.13 | jelly | egrain: then look at /var/log/dpkg.log, see if you can figure out which packages got installed from sid |
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| 22:06.33 | ChoppedDill | votek: check lspci -v just to make sure |
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| 22:06.59 | jelly | egrain: if it was you who enabled sid repos in the first place and have done just that one thing, it might be a small number of packages and a downgrade might be viable |
| 22:07.00 | votek | i have to reboot |
| 22:07.07 | votek | one minute |
| 22:07.11 | egrain | no no. i didn't touch any repos. |
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| 22:07.58 | egrain | i just apt-get update / upgrade and that's it. but since they installed things by hand. as in downloaded packages, compiled them, installed them. it's a mess now. |
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| 22:08.14 | jelly | that's not too good, it implies sid was enabled previously |
| 22:08.16 | greycat | If you did an upgrade, it's probably way past the point of return. |
| 22:08.24 | jelly | ^^ |
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| 22:08.48 | egrain | yeah. says here sid-main |
| 22:08.55 | egrain | that's bad i guess. |
| 22:09.12 | jelly | however it's unusual that an "apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude upgrade" did not upgrade libc6 or base-files |
| 22:09.34 | greycat | probably needed a dist-upgrade for some dependency |
| 22:10.25 | jelly | egrain: pastebin the last 200-lines of /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 22:11.09 | egrain | haha. 200? i only have like 30 here. |
| 22:11.14 | egrain | i'll pastebin them. |
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| 22:11.34 | egrain | http://pastebin.com/ZFAQUj15 |
| 22:12.08 | egrain | looks like i didn't actually upgrade everything. i just upgraded openssl and openssh. |
| 22:12.13 | egrain | shiny. |
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| 22:12.51 | leo-unglaub | hey, is the maintainer of the opensmtpd package around? |
| 22:13.07 | leo-unglaub | he applyed a fix but did not trigger the build |
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| 22:13.16 | leo-unglaub | and thats why the fix is not rolled out yet |
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| 22:16.22 | jhutchins | leo-unglaub: It's fairly unusual to find maintainers or developers here. |
| 22:16.27 | jelly | egrain: that's good, mean you didn't actually do either "apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude upgrade" |
| 22:16.44 | jhutchins | leo-unglaub: The proper method to reach them is via the pertinent mailing list. |
| 22:17.16 | leo-unglaub | jhutchins: there is a bug report on that and he replyed that he fixed it but that there was an error triggering the build |
| 22:17.17 | PenGui | I have a weird problem I have two screens both are displaying fine expect one is displaying a small windows floating about saying "Input Not Supported" anyone come across this before? xlog: https://bpaste.net/show/77abed05dca3 |
| 22:17.23 | leo-unglaub | but now he is not responding there anymore |
| 22:17.26 | leo-unglaub | for several days |
| 22:17.34 | leo-unglaub | the working fix is commited |
| 22:17.40 | leo-unglaub | i just need someone to trigger the build |
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| 22:18.05 | jhutchins | leo-unglaub: Again, mailing lists are the proper channel. |
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| 22:18.19 | jhutchins | leo-unglaub: Not the bugreport thread, the mailing list. |
| 22:18.55 | leo-unglaub | i dont have an account there, can you please be so kind and tell me the corect address i can send this to? |
| 22:19.23 | jelly | egrain: comment or remove sid sources, run "apt-get update" then downgrade the apparently sole package that got upgraded further than jessie: apt-get install openssl=1.0.1k-3+deb8u2 |
| 22:19.24 | jhutchins | PenGui: My guess is that it's detecting the other monitor first and configuring it's output according the capabilities of the first monitor. Try swapping ports. |
| 22:19.36 | DANtheBEASTman | i'm attempting to make a little script for myself to help when I want to backport packages from testing/sid, all is well so far except I'm having trouble figuring out how to get the name of the .deb that dpkg-buildpackage creates.. is there some way to tell what that file will be without storing the output into a variable and grepping for dpkg-deb: building package `foo' in `../foo_2.1-3_i386.deb'. |
| 22:19.40 | jhutchins | !mailing lists |
| 22:19.40 | dpkg | Mailing lists allow large numbers of people to share knowledge and experiences, these communications are also persistent. See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ . mbox archives are not provided via the web archive due to Listmaster team policy (Debian bug #161440), see <gmane>. For lists.debian.org questions, join #debian-lists on irc.oftc.net or e-mail listmaster@lists.debian.org. See also <list spam> and <subscribed>. |
| 22:19.57 | jhutchins | leo-unglaub: I don't know the correct list off the top of my head. |
| 22:20.26 | PenGui | jhutchins: i will try that now |
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| 22:20.59 | greycat | DANtheBEASTman: if you're doing it in a clean directory, you could just glob *.deb |
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| 22:21.02 | jelly | leo-unglaub: is the fix security related or a critical bug that makes the package unusable for everyone? |
| 22:21.11 | DANtheBEASTman | it may not be though, that's the trouble |
| 22:21.18 | greycat | Then make it so. |
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| 22:21.29 | DANtheBEASTman | ...fair enough, I suppose I could use /tmp |
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| 22:21.37 | leo-unglaub | jelly: since the latest openssl update the daemin segfaults |
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| 22:21.45 | greycat | Make a new directory of your own *in* /tmp |
| 22:21.58 | greycat | And delete it afterward. |
| 22:22.13 | leo-unglaub | jelly: the opensmtpd maintainers rereleased a fix for it and the maintainer from debian already pushed the fix |
| 22:22.20 | egrain | jelly, they don't believe that 1.0.1k is as secure as 1.0.2f. |
| 22:22.26 | egrain | tell me what to tell them? nobody listens to me anyway. |
| 22:22.46 | leo-unglaub | but he noted here that the rebuild did not trigger: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=813398#25 |
| 22:22.47 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/813398 in opensmtpd (open): «opensmtpd: segfaults when relaying email»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-02-01; last modified: 2016-02-12. |
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| 22:23.17 | jelly | egrain: ask for specific issues they're worried about, eg. CVE numbers for specific issues, then use debian's security tracker to show whether those are fixed. |
| 22:23.45 | PenGui | jhutchins: what! it worked that is crazy |
| 22:23.46 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 22:23.46 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 22:24.54 | leo-unglaub | jelly: the current status is, that the entire opensmtpd package is broken |
| 22:24.56 | roycollins | anyone have any suggestion on how to get a thunderbolt 3 dock working. I have many kernels up to 4.5-rc2. I dont see anything show up in dmesg so I am not sure I have the right kernel options compiled. |
| 22:24.57 | leo-unglaub | in all releases |
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| 22:24.58 | egrain | they say you guys fix stuff in code you haven't even written yourself. they trust the orignal creature team more. |
| 22:25.05 | egrain | how am i supposed to deal with people like that? |
| 22:25.08 | leo-unglaub | it will segfault in all releases without that rebuild of the package |
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| 22:26.06 | egrain | creator. sorry. |
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| 22:27.12 | karlpinc | egrain: Tell them that new features introduce new bugs. Backporting fixes is best practice for reducing bugs without introducing regressions/new bugs/new security problems. If they don't believe you there's nothing you can say. |
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| 22:27.47 | egrain | thanks a bunch. |
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| 22:31.23 | jelly | leo-unglaub: good, so you have reason to ask #debian-security (on OFTC, not here on Freenode) what to do next |
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| 22:32.04 | jelly | egrain: tell them they already implicitely trust these people to provide the WHOLE OS |
| 22:33.15 | egrain | good point. |
| 22:33.17 | egrain | and well made. |
| 22:33.30 | karlpinc | (I keep having to explain that newcode->newbugs. I'm writing a <newcode->newbugs> factoid, unless someone has a better name.) |
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| 22:33.33 | jelly | egrain: and that these distro people are MUCH better at building and integrating software from different vendors to work well, having 20 years of experience doing that, but that they're welcome to build stuff from source on their own instead and make a better distor |
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| 22:34.12 | karlpinc | egrain: See footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
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| 22:34.44 | greycat | dpkg, new code is <reply>New code introduces new bugs. The best security practice is to backport fixes to the stable code base. This is what Debian does in its stable releases. |
| 22:34.44 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 22:34.58 | winem_ | hi, I have a server without access to the internet and an archive with .deb-files to update installed packages. how to do that without overwriting the current configuration? simple said: an apt-get upgrade without apt-get (because I have no access to any repository) |
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| 22:36.28 | Delf | Can someone look at http://paste.debian.net/392173/ and figure out what's going on? |
| 22:36.47 | winem_ | and I'm not sure if dpkg -i does what I want cause I assume that it may override existing configurations |
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| 22:36.51 | egrain | helpful and funny. i like you guys. |
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| 22:38.30 | egrain | oh, by the way, i just checked their firewall out of curiosity: iptables -S gave me three lines all ending in ACCEPT. |
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| 22:39.12 | winem_ | Delf, use n instead of q. the next question would be if you want aptitude to install the dependencies and confirm it with y |
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| 22:40.00 | Delf | winem_: I've gone through a few of other suggestions. Why does it suggest installing of different architecture? |
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| 22:41.01 | Delf | Can an amd64 package have i386 dependencies? |
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| 22:43.09 | karlpinc | greycat beat me to it. Then I broke his factoid. Now fixed. |
| 22:43.19 | MyWay | hello, how do I change default gateway? It's getting the one I set for eth0, but I'd like to use the one of eth1 as default |
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| 22:44.20 | winem_ | Delf, a good question. checked my installed packages and can confirm that there are amd64 packages with debs to 32.. but I guess there is someone else with more experience regarding multiarch environments |
| 22:45.24 | karlpinc | MyWay: You change which interface has the "gateway" keyword in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:45.33 | winem_ | MyWay use the command route to set (default) routes |
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| 22:45.44 | winem_ | or od what karlpinc says :) |
| 22:45.45 | MyWay | I have both with gateway |
| 22:45.58 | karlpinc | MyWay: Then use ifup and ifdown to reset the config for each interface. |
| 22:46.03 | MyWay | ok |
| 22:46.17 | digdilem | avoid ifdown if it's a hundred miles away and you're remoting... |
| 22:46.18 | karlpinc | MyWay: You can have only one default gateway. |
| 22:47.04 | karlpinc | MyWay: If you want to do other things you either set static routes or use a routing protocol like ospf or bgp. |
| 22:47.13 | MyWay | so with this I remove the default one debian set: post-up ip r d default via 192.168.49.254 |
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| 22:48.11 | MyWay | and then I add the other one with post-up ip r a default via 192.168.100.1 |
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| 22:48.31 | karlpinc | MyWay: Either that or you only activate one interface at a time. |
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| 22:49.47 | MyWay | or maybe I can remove all "gateway" keywords and use only post-up / pre-down to add one gateway to the old and the default gateway for the other? |
| 22:49.55 | MyWay | I need both interfaces |
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| 22:52.37 | karlpinc | MyWay: If you need static routes use a post-up script to establish them. |
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| 22:52.50 | spm_draget | After libc update, reboot required or not? |
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| 22:53.12 | karlpinc | spm_draget: Basically, yes. Theoretically no, but.... |
| 22:53.24 | MyWay | post-up ip r a 192.168.49.254/24 dev eth0 |
| 22:53.24 | MyWay | pre-down ip r d 192.168.49.254/24 dev eth0 |
| 22:53.24 | MyWay | post-up ip r a default via 192.168.100.1/24 eth1 |
| 22:53.24 | MyWay | pre-down ip r d default via 192.168.100.1/24 eth1 |
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| 22:53.28 | MyWay | sorry |
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| 22:53.50 | spm_draget | karlpinc: Yes, but no? xD |
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| 22:53.55 | MyWay | is the syntax right? I did networking restart, but nothing happens |
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| 23:00.39 | badtux | whois |
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| 23:06.16 | badtuxed | Åil |
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| 23:07.45 | MyWay | thank you all |
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| 23:08.26 | badtuxed | hi all |
| 23:08.29 | badtuxed | how are you |
| 23:09.04 | badtux | im |
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| 23:11.12 | DANtheBEASTman | anyone brave enough to check out my backporting script? http://sprunge.us/VSHf |
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| 23:16.35 | knite | I'm trying to turn a crappy build pipeline into something more sane. what does debuild do, with regards to a Makefile? I'm switching to a cowdancer/pbuilder setup, and I'm struggling to determine which makefile rules debuild triggers. |
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| 23:21.01 | k-man | tracker-utils is installed on my debian desktop, what is it for and why do I need it? |
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| 23:21.48 | badtux | qq, |
| 23:21.50 | badtux | q |
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| 23:22.37 | k-man | tracker-store is consuming much CPU power |
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| 23:24.58 | cra1g321 | k-man, could do sudo aptitude why tracker-utils and see what depends on it |
| 23:25.13 | Delf | winem_: debs? You mean dependencies? |
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| 23:25.46 | k-man | cra1g321, oh, seems to be a gnome-core thing |
| 23:26.33 | k-man | i don't use gnome, so its going |
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| 23:27.54 | k-man | thanks cra1g321 |
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| 23:28.18 | k-man | google seems to indicate other people found it CPU hungry too |
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| 23:32.25 | cheetahw26 | eh... I installed a new kernel on a system, but one of the kernel modules won't load and it keeps booting into initramfs... I forgot I changed the system before to skip the boot menu where I would normally be able to change which kernel loads... |
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| 23:33.34 | Delf | What happens when I have mc:i386 and mc:amd64 installed and I run "mc"? |
| 23:33.47 | cheetahw26 | I tried mounting the root partition so I could change grub, but whenever I try to mount I get no such file or directory... even on directories that are there, i.e. /mtp |
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| 23:33.59 | cheetahw26 | '/ tmp even |
| 23:34.12 | cnnx | how do i know what version apt-get isntall programname will install? |
| 23:34.28 | cnnx | before i install it |
| 23:34.43 | Delf | cnnx: apt-cache show programname |
| 23:34.47 | DANtheBEASTman | cnnx: try `apt-cache show <package>` |
| 23:34.54 | DANtheBEASTman | beat me to it |
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| 23:35.22 | cnnx | ok it shows Version: 4.3.32-dfsg-1+deb8u2 |
| 23:35.31 | cnnx | for virtualbox, yet i know there's version 5.x avail |
| 23:35.34 | cnnx | how can i get 5.x? |
| 23:36.09 | Delf | cnnx: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 23:36.11 | jelly | Delf: it depends, can you actually have them both installed? |
| 23:36.20 | cnnx | i dont have any installed |
| 23:36.26 | cnnx | i just want to install the latest version using apt-get |
| 23:36.29 | cnnx | is that possible? |
| 23:36.48 | markybob | cnnx: backports has 5.0.14 |
| 23:36.56 | markybob | !tell cnnx about backports |
| 23:36.56 | cnnx | markybob: that means i haev to edit sources.list? |
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| 23:37.17 | markybob | cnnx: yes |
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| 23:37.38 | Delf | jelly: I've no idea if I even can? How would it know which arch to start "if" both are installed? Or are you saying it's not possible? |
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| 23:38.04 | cnnx | markybob: is it safe for a production web server? |
| 23:38.08 | cnnx | will it affect other packages? |
| 23:38.13 | markybob | cnnx: backports are safe, yes |
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| 23:38.16 | markybob | cnnx: no |
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| 23:39.08 | jelly | Delf: if two packages clash with installed file paths, it should not be possible to have both installed at the same time. Even across architectures. |
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| 23:39.59 | Delf | jelly: Because version and/or arch is not take into account when "installing" files? |
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| 23:41.11 | Delf | jelly: What's going on here? I didn't write pulseaudio-module-bluetooth:i386 @ http://paste.debian.net/392173/ |
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| 23:42.00 | rorx | odd, today I updated a Debian v6 system and it showed a dialog showing the services that it would restart due to glibc being updated, but I noticed on v7, after a similar update, it didn't do this. |
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| 23:42.27 | heap | hi, there |
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| 23:42.50 | themill | Delf: files are just unpacked and there is only one version of any file on the filesystem. Packages can be "Multi-Arch: same" meaning that all files that exist in more than one architecture are identical (libfoo packages, for instance). But /usr/bin/mc will be different for each arch and there can only be one. |
| 23:42.50 | heap | is it possible to suggest something for the files encryption like encrpytfs or encfs etc |
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| 23:42.57 | cusco_ | hi |
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| 23:43.34 | themill | rorx: there's a needrestart package that is handy |
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| 23:43.42 | cusco | I added a second ip to eth0. if I use netcat to listen on a port, and then connect to that second IP it works |
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| 23:44.10 | cusco | now I added a route but seems that outgoing is not going trough that second IP |
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| 23:44.18 | cusco | trying to figure out why not :/ |
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| 23:44.26 | rorx | themill: I see, just figured it would behave the same way. I assume in v7 the assumption is that you will restart the system? |
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| 23:46.48 | Delf | themill: I don't understand. Are you saying I can have libraries of different arch installed simultaneously but not stuff that goes in /usr/bin? |
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| 23:48.35 | k-man | TomTomTo1, i've tried gnome on this machine before, probably a remnant from that |
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| 23:53.56 | karlpinc` | heap: You want an encrypted filesystem or to encrypt individual files? |
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| 23:58.11 | k-man | how do I tell if a shell thinks its a login shell? ie, when I launch gnome-terminal. It seems not to source .bashrc which indicates its a login shell (i think) but "run command as a login shell" is not ticked |
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