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| 00:05.15 | cusco | I added a second ip to eth0. if I use netcat to listen on a port, and then connect to that second IP it works |
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| 00:05.25 | cusco | now I added a route but seems that outgoing is not going trough that second IP |
| 00:05.32 | cusco | trying to figure out why not :/ |
| 00:07.20 | karlpinc | k-man: shopt | grep login_shell Works for bash. I'm not sure about other shells. |
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| 00:07.50 | k-man | karlpinc, yeah just found that thanks |
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| 00:08.16 | karlpinc | k-man: Work with other shells? |
| 00:08.41 | k-man | karlpinc, it is actually not a login shell, but theres some weirdness going on with how bash determines if it should be a color-xterm |
| 00:09.14 | k-man | karlpinc, yes... but I've hacked around my .bashrc a bit now, so I can't remember whats default and what I've fiddled with |
| 00:09.23 | karlpinc | k-man: I hate color and turn it off where ever I find it. |
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| 00:10.38 | k-man | karlpinc, fair enough |
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| 00:10.53 | k-man | i like it to distinguish which machine I'm looking at |
| 00:11.00 | karlpinc | k-man: diff -u /etc/skel/.bashrc ~/.bashrc |
| 00:11.13 | k-man | i have a little bit of code that alters the prompt colour based on the hostname |
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| 00:12.05 | karlpinc | k-man: I just leave the hostname in my prompt. (And do not use a fqdn in /etc/hostname to keep it short.) |
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| 00:13.02 | k-man | i used to do that, but it wasn't obvious enough for me |
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| 00:13.05 | k-man | made mistakes sometimes |
| 00:13.45 | karlpinc | fair enough ;-) |
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| 00:16.15 | KM4QKW | when i add a ppa and the update i get a 404 anyone know why? it worked on ubuntu |
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| 00:20.45 | karlpinc | !ppa |
| 00:20.46 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 00:20.55 | karlpinc | KM4QKW: See also the <overview> factoid. |
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| 00:23.31 | holms1 | at least after copying it to /etc/init.d it says service not found |
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| 00:26.09 | KM4QKW | yeah 404, worked on Ubuntu, add-apt repo ppa:....idk |
| 00:26.23 | KM4QKW | says it added it but wehen i update its 404 |
| 00:27.02 | insecurity | hello.. i've realized that i don't get notifications about updates. settings under "Software & updates" seem to be in order, it's set to check for updates daily and "Display immediately" but i haven't gotten a notification in a long while. |
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| 00:29.49 | KM4QKW | sudo apt-get update the do sudo apt-get upgrade |
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| 00:30.58 | bitanarchy | hi, I just tried to mount a debian dvd and use it as a repo, but it was rejected because it turned out the be unsigned |
| 00:31.32 | insecurity | KM4QKW: i know how to do updates, just wondering why i wasn't getting notifications about new ones |
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| 00:36.13 | wewlad | hello, debs. If I set 0644 mod to a file with the owner www-data:www-data - will I, as a user, be able to write to those file? |
| 00:36.27 | wewlad | or should I pick a different owner then? |
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| 00:38.36 | markybob | wewlad: that only gives read to group |
| 00:39.02 | markybob | wewlad: so no, you won't be able to write to it as a user that is part of said group |
| 00:39.37 | wewlad | oh, alright |
| 00:39.39 | bitanarchy | how do I install from iso on an offline computer? |
| 00:39.45 | wewlad | thanks, markybob |
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| 00:40.20 | markybob | wewlad: so you probably want 664 or some such. second number gives group users write |
| 00:40.37 | themill | bitanarchy: you probably want apt-cdrom to feed your dvd into your sources.list (or tell apt that particular repo is trusted -- see sources.list(5)) |
| 00:40.44 | wewlad | markybob: wordpress recommends 644, I guess it assumes that i'm the owner of the files |
| 00:41.06 | markybob | wewlad: probably. *shrug* never touched wordpress |
| 00:41.26 | wewlad | but I simply dunno how hosters work, will I be given a user or not? will that user be in the www-data group or not? :( |
| 00:42.03 | markybob | wewlad: i'm sure any wordpress host like dreamhost will give you access to do what you need done |
| 00:42.06 | bitanarchy | themill: I tried that but the dvd was rejected based on lack of signatures in the Release file |
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| 00:44.54 | kasploosh | WordPress recommends 644 and for the web user (www-data) to be the owner of the file. This is so a WP user can install plugins, install themes, run updates, upload files from within WordPress. |
| 00:45.47 | themill | bitanarchy: "tried that" meaning what? |
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| 00:47.29 | bitanarchy | themill: I mounted the dvd and used apt-cdrom /path add the dvd was rejected because missing Release file |
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| 00:51.04 | bitanarchy | themill: sorry it was rejected when I added to sources.list |
| 00:51.28 | bitanarchy | themill: the apt-cdrom command unmounted the dvd I just mounted |
| 00:53.17 | themill | yes, its man page covers that |
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| 00:57.02 | k-man | is there a special user one can use for doing backups of a debian system, like a read only root user? |
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| 01:00.24 | wewlad | 'read only root user' |
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| 01:01.15 | k-man | what does the backup user do... seems a likely candidate |
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| 01:18.44 | ponky | hello. is there any way to see manually installed packages without dependencies? similar to gentoos /var/lib/portage/world ? |
| 01:18.50 | TomTomTosh | WangDang: :P |
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| 01:20.29 | augustomorais | hi. Is it recommend the intel graphic card from source code on debian ? I'm asking it because on Windows my graphic card have more performance than debian |
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| 01:22.48 | WangDang | TomTomTosh: Hi, just wanted to check in and say thanks for the pointer, yesterday, to the xfce kbd shortcut for moviing windows. Remember? Libre office was opening with the title bar off the page. I didn't see your comment until this morning, and then had to rush off. So Cheers man! |
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| 01:23.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | augustomorais, how did you test? |
| 01:23.27 | TomTomTosh | WangDang, glad i could help :3 |
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| 01:25.09 | TomTomTosh | augustomorais, if you didn't install anything manually, you will have the free drivers. not sure what you mean with "from source code" |
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| 01:25.53 | augustomorais | 01.org/linuxgraphics |
| 01:26.45 | augustomorais | Eduard_Munteanu, I ran a video on Windows and the video didnt frezee but on debian frezees sometimes |
| 01:26.46 | karlpinc | augustomorais: You might benefit from a newer kernel, possibly. See backports.debian.org. |
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| 01:27.13 | karlpinc | augustomorais: Or maybe backports has a newer driver package. |
| 01:27.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | augustomorais, what player? |
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| 01:27.23 | augustomorais | karlpinc, this is a graphic card problem, no ? |
| 01:27.26 | augustomorais | Eduard_Munteanu, VLC |
| 01:27.28 | abrotman | augustomorais: why wouldn't you get the drivers from xorg, you already have them |
| 01:27.31 | karlpinc | augustomorais: Possibly not. Dunno. |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | augustomorais: Which version of Debian is this? |
| 01:27.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | augustomorais, VLC has poor acceleration support on Intel, try mpv |
| 01:28.11 | augustomorais | humm.. let me try |
| 01:28.21 | abrotman | augustomorais: uname -a |
| 01:28.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | mpv --hwdec=vaapi --vo=opengl should work fine |
| 01:28.57 | augustomorais | Eduard_Munteanu, I'll try it now. |
| 01:29.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | You also need i965-va-driver installed. |
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| 01:30.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | Someone should add stretch's mpv to jessie-backports, jessie's is very old. |
| 01:31.27 | themill | it's also not very backportable, but asking on #debian won't make it happen -- try the backports user's list or the pk-multimedia-maintainers list |
| 01:32.55 | TomTomTosh | checkbackport mpv --fromrelease stretch |
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| 01:33.07 | TomTomTosh | ,checkbackport mpv --fromrelease stretch |
| 01:33.08 | judd | Backporting package mpv in stretchâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libass-dev (>= 0.12.1~), libsndio-dev (>= 1.0.1). |
| 01:33.44 | TomTomTosh | no cigar :( |
| 01:34.22 | augustomorais | Eduard_Munteanu, Dude.... The freezing disappear... Thanks for your advice. |
| 01:35.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | augustomorais, no problem, I figured this out recently myself. |
| 01:35.37 | augustomorais | Eduard_Munteanu, the frezing disappeared. (correcting the english) |
| 01:36.14 | augustomorais | Eduard_Munteanu, Did you create a symlink to mpv with these parameters ? |
| 01:36.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | VLC has poor VAAPI support and the Intel drivers don't provide a VDPAU driver. |
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| 01:36.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | augustomorais, for my intended use, I'm driving mpv from a script |
| 01:36.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | augustomorais, you can create an alias |
| 01:37.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | Or edit its config. |
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| 01:37.51 | poffs | when is a patch going to be available for jessie on this glibc DNS remote code exploit? https://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.nl/2016/02/cve-2015-7547-glibc-getaddrinfo-stack.html |
| 01:39.11 | augustomorais | Eduard_Munteanu, right! Do you change the mpv binary name and create an alias with mpv name ? i.e: mv mpv mpv-original && ls -s mpv-original mpv |
| 01:39.22 | augustomorais | Did you do it ? |
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| 01:39.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | augustomorais, no, a bash alias |
| 01:40.05 | markybob | !alias |
| 01:40.05 | dpkg | Bash alias? Do 'help alias' and read 'man bash', also see your ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc for examples of aliases. |
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| 01:40.20 | augustomorais | Eduard_Munteanu, humm. ok. I will do it on zsh |
| 01:40.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | augustomorais, alias mpv='mpv --hwdec=vaapi --vo=opengl' |
| 01:40.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, not very familiar with zsh. |
| 01:41.27 | augustomorais | Eduard_Munteanu, Its the same way in this case |
| 01:42.09 | augustomorais | Eduard_Munteanu, Do you know how can I do It in list of gnome apps ? |
| 01:42.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | augustomorais, in that case it's best to edit the mpv config and add options there |
| 01:42.41 | markybob | augustomorais: i haven't used gnome in years but back then it had an "edit menu" option |
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| 01:43.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | That'll work no matter how mpv is started |
| 01:43.36 | TomTomTosh | or edit the desktop file i guess :D |
| 01:44.27 | augustomorais | markelite, Do you use some X interface ? |
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| 01:46.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | augustomorais, have you tried mpv without any parameters? Maybe it picks it up automatically, though might depend on the version. |
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| 01:49.43 | augustomorais | Eduard_Munteanu, worked even without parameters. But I already create the alias and change the parameters non gnome |
| 01:49.51 | augustomorais | Thanks guys! |
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| 02:00.11 | poffs | "The repository 'http://security.debian.org sid/updates Release' does not have a Release file" |
| 02:00.15 | poffs | wut? |
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| 02:01.31 | themill | well it doesn't exist |
| 02:02.03 | markybob | poffs: sid doesn't have security |
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| 02:02.21 | poffs | wat |
| 02:02.29 | poffs | lols |
| 02:02.51 | markybob | poffs: that's funny? |
| 02:03.11 | poffs | markybob, it's funny coming from jessie, but yes, I understand |
| 02:03.35 | markybob | poffs: anyway, sid support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic, not here |
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| 02:23.43 | jaggz- | before I bug a package maintainer, can you guys reproduce this? doc2pdf (ran just like that), gives me unoconv: Cannot find a suitable pyuno library and python binary combination in /usr/lib/libreoffice |
| 02:24.01 | jaggz- | (so I bug you instead.. but really it's gathering information to help fix a potential problem) |
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| 02:30.42 | angell | So my vps configured my nameservers today, and I pointed a domain towards my vps. I think they did something wrong, because the domain has not propagated anywhere and its been 8 hours (usually there is a little propagation by this time). |
| 02:30.46 | angell | I found this: |
| 02:30.46 | angell | http://www.intodns.com/innova-system.com |
| 02:31.07 | angell | Is there something wrong with my vps config? or with how they configured the nameservers? |
| 02:31.12 | themill | jaggz-: which release? |
| 02:32.00 | markybob | angell: dns certainly looks messed up. contact support if you don't have control over it |
| 02:32.21 | angell | markybob: I'm not sure if I do have control, where can I check? |
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| 02:32.42 | markybob | angell: i'm not familiar with that host. again you should probably contact support |
| 02:32.54 | angell | markybob: okie dokie, will give em a call |
| 02:32.59 | jaggz- | themill: ugh.. silly me. I'm at jessie using version .6. doc2pdf comes from unoconv. I tested from their latest tarball and get the same error, though. |
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| 02:34.20 | themill | jaggz-: and you have all the libreoffice-* packages (and unoconv) installed from jessie (not jessie-backports)? |
| 02:34.59 | jaggz- | no not * |
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| 02:35.17 | themill | libreoffice-writer at least? |
| 02:35.32 | jaggz- | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=uno.py&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 02:35.46 | jaggz- | yes, -writer is installed :) |
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| 02:37.19 | jaggz- | apparently uno.py is the file.. but don't quote me on that. (Others, back some years, 'fixed' that error in unoconf development here): https://github.com/dagwieers/unoconv/issues/49 |
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| 02:37.30 | themill | jaggz-: I can't reproduce that here in jessie |
| 02:37.40 | jaggz- | yours just works? |
| 02:37.53 | themill | doc2pdf foo.doc happily produced foo.pdf for me |
| 02:38.05 | jaggz- | where do you have uno.py? |
| 02:38.24 | jaggz- | maybe it really wants one of these others.. or could use them: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=uno.py&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 02:38.31 | themill | /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/uno.py (python3-uno package) |
| 02:38.55 | markybob | jaggz-: works here as well |
| 02:39.16 | themill | jaggz-: do you have some python virtualenvs or similar that could be the issue? |
| 02:39.56 | jaggz- | python3-uno : Depends: libreoffice-core (= 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u2) but 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1 is to be installed |
| 02:40.03 | jaggz- | what.. why? |
| 02:40.40 | themill | wait, unoconv depends on python3-uno already |
| 02:40.51 | jaggz- | oh.. it's because I have a package with failed dependencies that's throwing off my apt system .. (adobe's meshmixer is a ubuntu .deb) |
| 02:41.11 | jaggz- | (but that was new as of this past week. I've had this unoconv problem for months) |
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| 02:41.34 | jhutchins | jaggz-: Ah, you're learning why we don't mix releases. |
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| 02:42.17 | markybob | !tell jaggz- about frankendebian |
| 02:42.22 | jaggz- | lol |
| 02:42.35 | jaggz- | yeah.. I had no choice... meshmixer was needed and not opensource |
| 02:42.50 | markybob | jaggz-: you always have a choice |
| 02:42.53 | jaggz- | so I'm presently removing it, and reinstalling it, around other package work :) |
| 02:43.01 | jaggz- | markybob: lol |
| 02:43.21 | jaggz- | http://paste.debian.net/393028/ |
| 02:43.21 | jaggz- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:43.53 | jaggz- | How do I, in the most easy way, make a .deb that claims to satisfy those dependencies, but really just handles some symlinking of earlier version dependency libraries? |
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| 02:44.18 | markybob | !tell jaggs about equivs |
| 02:44.26 | markybob | feels like he needs a shower now |
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| 02:44.30 | jaggz- | or in any way just say, "they're handled". But if I make a .deb I can let others have it so they too can use meshmixer |
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| 02:44.51 | markybob | jaggz-: this is really silly and not smart, btw |
| 02:45.08 | jaggz- | oh.. someone recommended it |
| 02:45.22 | markybob | jaggz-: doesn't make it not stupid |
| 02:45.26 | themill | equivs won't satisfy the versioned dependency |
| 02:45.59 | angell | markybob: they say I need to install a DNS management tool/app ... they recommend bind9 |
| 02:46.23 | jaggz- | no I had to set up about 4 symlinks (which would actually be an issue with other software which might require the newer versions.. hence I'd like to say that I satisfied dependencies ONLY for meshmixer's needs) |
| 02:46.36 | markybob | angell: i'd do that as well. that's what i use (most people use it). weird though. most hosts provide dns |
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| 02:46.50 | angell | markybob: I don't have a control panel |
| 02:47.18 | markybob | angell: you don't need one. apt-get install bind9 |
| 02:47.23 | themill | jaggz-: given it's a leaf package that nothing will depend on, perhaps just unpacking it without installing it would be a better option |
| 02:47.29 | markybob | angell: then read the docs. a lot of docs. it's hard to set up |
| 02:47.37 | Algebr` | I have a package installed, usbmuxd, that I don't need anymore but it has somehow modified other shared libraries that other packages need and so when I try to remove it it will remove gnome, etc. How can I gracefully remove this package from my system. |
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| 02:47.55 | angell | markybob: fuck... can it be done in 4 or 6 hours? |
| 02:48.06 | jaggz- | themill: that's an excellent point. thank you :) |
| 02:48.22 | markybob | angell: with it being your first time? that's tough. it's a bitch. |
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| 02:48.34 | angell | markybob: haha, be right back |
| 02:48.49 | jaggz- | still no module named uno |
| 02:49.25 | pencilandpaper | Algebr`: when running in terminal: apt-get purge usbmuxd what output do you get? |
| 02:50.03 | themill | jaggz-: have you got python3-uno installed now? and libreoffice upgraded? |
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| 02:52.11 | Algebr` | pencilandpaper: http://pastebin.com/mvh0bwgw, yes I'm on ubuntu but it will remove unity and whatnot. This is also much less stuff than it says it will remove rather than when I do apt-get remove usbmuxd |
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| 02:52.29 | Algebr` | I am weary to go through with it because this kind of situation has borked by systems before and was a big hassle |
| 02:52.37 | jaggz- | themill: yes. although libreoffice has been at the latest [for jessie]. it was ABOUT to be /downgraded/ I think... with those dependency conflicts |
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| 02:53.50 | markybob | Algebr`: i don't know why you think we'd know what that would do on ubuntu |
| 02:53.59 | themill | jaggz-: no, the dependencies were because you had missed a previous upgrade. What does «aptitude search ~nlibreoffice~i ~nuno~i -F%p%40V» say now? |
| 02:54.32 | Algebr` | markybob: what does the ubuntu carnard have to do with it. its still dpkg and apt-get doing all the heavy lifting. |
| 02:54.53 | markybob | Algebr`: nope. not even close. that's why we don't support ubuntu here |
| 02:55.05 | jaggz- | http://paste.debian.net/393075/ |
| 02:55.05 | jaggz- | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.23 | jaggz- | uno-libs3? hmmmm |
| 02:55.23 | markybob | !tell Algebr` about ubuntu |
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| 02:55.46 | themill | jaggz-: and what does «python3 -c"import sys; print(sys.path); import uno; print(uno.__file__)"» say? |
| 02:56.06 | Algebr` | OKay, apt-get is apparently an completely different program between debian and ubuntu. |
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| 02:56.48 | angell | markybob: so bind9 is already installed... now what? |
| 02:56.49 | markybob | Algebr`: what it does is. the packages removal scripts are different. we don't know what it'll do |
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| 02:57.05 | pencilandpaper | Whats awesome Algebr` is this, its not going to remove network-manager. :) |
| 02:57.18 | markybob | angell: like i said, read a lot. https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 |
| 02:57.30 | jaggz- | you know, uno-libs3 in aptitude shows it's at deb8u1 (not u2). (I don't know what your aptitude search is actually showing -- trying to find what capital V is |
| 02:57.36 | Algebr` | ah, I thought that this was standardized by dpkg and was platform independent. |
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| 02:57.51 | markybob | Algebr`: no. sorry. |
| 02:57.54 | themill | Algebr`: the file format is unrelated to the dependencies that a particular distribution uses |
| 02:57.54 | pencilandpaper | Go for it, remove it Algebr`, and when you have done that, WITHOUT closing your terminal let me know please. What we are going to do is reinstall the packages that are removed without restarting your pc..so that they are put right back after uninstall usbmuxd. |
| 02:58.00 | jaggz- | ImportError: No module named 'uno' |
| 02:58.11 | pencilandpaper | Without network-manager being removed Algebr`, you should be able to do that. |
| 02:58.22 | Algebr` | right, right, okay will pull trigger. |
| 02:58.24 | jaggz- | themill, ^^ Can I go ahead and try to upgrade uno-libs3 to deb8u2? |
| 02:58.25 | Algebr` | heh |
| 02:58.29 | pencilandpaper | Cool. :) |
| 02:58.34 | themill | jaggz-: probably should have been %v not %V; yes, upgrade it |
| 02:58.55 | themill | jaggz-: all the different python, uno and libreoffice bits have to be upgraded together or uno stops working |
| 02:58.56 | pencilandpaper | Let me know when its removed please Algebr`, I still have your screenshot pulled up so we should be alright with knowing what packages need to be reinstalled. |
| 02:59.25 | Algebr` | k, done |
| 02:59.40 | jaggz- | still fails |
| 03:00.07 | themill | jaggz-: perhaps rerun that aptitude command with %v instead |
| 03:00.12 | angell | markybob: I'm confused, the documents keep mentioning examples of multiple computers, but I am configuring a single vps to host multiple websites... |
| 03:00.41 | jaggz- | themill: ooh, I see a lot of u1's |
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| 03:00.58 | themill | when was the last time you ran an apt upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 03:01.17 | Algebr` | pencilandpaper: so I will just add back the system level stuff that I need |
| 03:01.37 | jaggz- | could have been as short as a month ago or as long as several |
| 03:01.47 | themill | where could it go wrong? |
| 03:01.49 | markybob | angell: https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 really only talks about local and then real domains. |
| 03:01.52 | pencilandpaper | Nice, now we want to enter in terminal: apt-get install deja-dup-backend-gvfs gnome-power-manager gnome-session-bin gvfs-backends indicator-power libgpod-common libgpod4 libimobiledevice-utils libimobiledevice4 nautilus-share rhythmbox-plugins software-center ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-session unity-control-center unity-control-center-signon upower usbmuxd webaccounts-extension-common xul-ext-webaccounts |
| 03:02.04 | pencilandpaper | Algebr`: ^ |
| 03:02.11 | themill | pencilandpaper: why is he reinstalling usbmuxd (and why is this in #debian?) |
| 03:02.12 | jaggz- | is there a log to see when? |
| 03:02.22 | themill | jaggz-: /var/log/apt/ |
| 03:02.23 | pencilandpaper | Yes, basically Algebr`, and that should put it back in good shape. |
| 03:02.25 | jaggz- | (how often do you recommend doing apt upgrade?) |
| 03:02.40 | pencilandpaper | He isn't reinstalling it themill, and its here because he is here. :) |
| 03:02.56 | jaggz- | (and hey, what's this "unattended updates[/upgrades?]" thing I saw at reboot one day??) |
| 03:03.01 | themill | pencilandpaper: well he is and this isn't the right place. |
| 03:03.07 | pencilandpaper | You can get something to eat at McDonald's, or if I saw him in the street in need I would feed him you know what I mean? |
| 03:03.16 | pencilandpaper | Ok themill, apologies. |
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| 03:03.37 | angell | markybob: it mentions a DHCP server, but my provider only uses static ips, they don't have DHCP IIRC |
| 03:03.39 | themill | Feel free to keep helping in #ubuntu or in /msg |
| 03:03.54 | Algebr` | themill: ah, k, got it. I'm done with my queries, thanks |
| 03:03.56 | jaggz- | themill, updating now. so, at minimum, if there are issues like I am facing, an update is one of the first things to ensure? |
| 03:04.16 | pencilandpaper | Ok thanks themill. |
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| 03:04.23 | markybob | angell: yeah you can skip that part (really) |
| 03:04.40 | angell | markybob: ok, so where should I start? |
| 03:04.43 | jaggz- | (even if I'm not doing weekly updates, or whatever you recommend, at least when encountering a problem it should be done) |
| 03:04.53 | themill | jaggz-: well ideally things would keep working across partial upgrades, but it's not always possible to express that in the dependencies (or it gets forgotten because all the different package combinations are never going to be tested) |
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| 03:05.03 | jaggz- | right |
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| 03:05.26 | themill | certainly making sure that apt is happy is a good start when it comes down to tracking down why things aren't working |
| 03:05.50 | jaggz- | yeah it seems kinda funny to have mixed versions within libreoffice's set of packages though. |
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| 03:06.17 | markybob | angell: there is #bind ...they'll probably be able to help you more |
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| 03:06.25 | Abbott | I currently have deluge 1.3.900.dev0 ( I don't know how) but I'm trying to use `apt-get install deluged` to install the latest version for jessie which is 1.3.10 according to https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=deluged&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all but when I try to upgrade the package it says it's already up to date |
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| 03:06.29 | angell | markybob: thanks =) |
| 03:06.35 | Abbott | I made sure to run `apt-get update` beforehand |
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| 03:08.45 | Abbott | this is my sources.list http://pastebin.com/raw/dzBQyDrw |
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| 03:09.02 | groolot | hi, does anyone can explain to me how to report a broken dependency in packages (libreoffice) |
| 03:09.06 | groolot | ? |
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| 03:11.05 | markybob | Abbott: your sources look good. apt-cache show deluge |
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| 03:11.39 | markybob | Abbott: plus i have to wonder how you got 1.3.900.dev0....doesn't seem like something that would land on jessie |
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| 03:12.06 | themill | dpkg: tell groolot about bat |
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| 03:12.53 | markybob | Abbott: when you go into deluge and help->about what version does it say? |
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| 03:13.45 | Abbott | I'm running it without a GUI |
| 03:14.05 | groolot | themill: thanks |
| 03:14.11 | markybob | Abbott: deluged -v |
| 03:14.21 | groolot | themill: where to direct my report ? |
| 03:14.30 | Abbott | but If I do deluged --version I get: deluged: 1.3.900.dev0 libtorrent: 0.16.18.0 |
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| 03:14.34 | themill | groolot: let's start by looking at that information -- stick it in paste.debian.net |
| 03:14.40 | groolot | ok |
| 03:14.43 | markybob | Abbott: how did you do that? that's not in debian |
| 03:15.06 | markybob | Abbott: so you broke debian by doing something outside of it |
| 03:15.24 | Abbott | what do you mean it's not in debian? |
| 03:15.26 | markybob | !tell Abbott about frankendebian |
| 03:15.35 | markybob | Abbott: i mean that version is not in debian |
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| 03:16.15 | groolot | but the thing is more relevant on the https://packages.debian.org/sid/libreoffice |
| 03:16.20 | groolot | themill: but the thing is more relevant on the https://packages.debian.org/sid/libreoffice |
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| 03:17.17 | themill | groolot: we need to know what your system has |
| 03:17.44 | Abbott | okay I see I must have installed the 1.3.900.dev0 version outside of apt |
| 03:17.45 | groolot | themill: I'm doing a live-build built |
| 03:17.58 | markybob | Abbott: right. |
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| 03:19.25 | groolot | sid in amd64, libreoffice=1:5.1.1~rc1-1 depends on libreoffice-java-common=1:5.1.1~rc1-1 |
| 03:19.58 | groolot | but, sid only contains libreoffice-java-common=1:5.0.5~rc2-1 |
| 03:20.00 | markybob | groolot: sid support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
| 03:20.11 | groolot | markybob: ok, thanks |
| 03:20.32 | Abbott | is there a way to effectively find and purge .deb's installed outside of apt-get or is this where my machine falls apart because I did something dumb |
| 03:21.16 | markybob | Abbott: are you sure it was a deb and not source? if it really was a deb you can do dpkg -l "deluge*" |grep ^ii |
| 03:21.24 | markybob | Abbott: then you dpkg --purge them |
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| 03:25.06 | Abbott | I purged everything that came up with dpkg -l deluge but deluged --version is still coming up |
| 03:25.28 | Abbott | i did "which deluged" to fidn where the package is, would removing that be all I need to do? I want the config files etc. to stay in tact |
| 03:25.37 | markybob | Abbott: deluged is different than deluge. that's why i used * |
| 03:26.37 | markybob | Abbott: use the exact command i told you to |
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| 03:27.34 | markybob | Abbott: i was the lead developer of deluge for a couple of years so i kind of know what i'm talking about |
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| 03:27.44 | Abbott | oh cool |
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| 03:28.00 | Abbott | yeah the versions that come up with that command are all 1.3.10 |
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| 03:52.05 | Abbott | is there anything wrong with just deleting /usr/bin/local/deluged and /usr/bin/local/deluge-web and apt-get'ing the debian versions? |
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| 03:52.44 | petn-randall | Abbott: Depends on how you installed it, and what version. Most software doesn't support downgrading. |
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| 03:53.59 | jaggzt | disgruntles |
| 03:54.03 | jaggzt | themill, ERROR: No module named 'uno' |
| 03:54.17 | childc2 | Hi everyone, I'm working on pulling down an updated version of python-tornado from jessie-backports because I need >= version 4.2.0 on an original Ras Pi (so ARM6 here), but I'm getting a SIGILL from tornado (bt here: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f09faead/). After a bit of googling it seems that the problem may be that it's an armhf packages as opposed to an armel package, but I'm also not setting which one to pull down, I'm just letti |
| 03:54.23 | jaggzt | wife needs me now too.. and my school work :) |
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| 03:55.24 | hendry | is a dist-upgrade enough to patch the dns CVE or do I need to reboot too? |
| 03:55.25 | Abbott | Judging by what markybob said, I would guess that I built it from source. This would be an upgrade though so I think that all relevant packages would be upgraded as well not causing that many problems |
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| 03:56.26 | petn-randall | !tell childc2 about raspbian |
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| 03:58.21 | childc2 | petn-randall: yes, I am aware of Raspbian, but in this case I am pulling from ftp.us.debian.org so the package is coming directly from debian's repo |
| 03:58.30 | childc2 | also, raspbian doesn't have a jessie-backports |
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| 04:05.50 | themill | childc2: for ARMv6, you either use debian's armel port or you use raspbian's armhf port. There's not a combination of the two that makes any sense |
| 04:08.16 | childc2 | themill: is there a way for me to force armel in the sources file? |
| 04:09.26 | themill | You might be able to get it to work with multiarch. I've heard of people having success with that sometimes. |
| 04:09.43 | childc2 | worth a shot |
| 04:10.05 | childc2 | the actual python certainly won't care, as long as the C extensions of tornado are happy everything should just work |
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| 04:10.21 | themill | that's highly unlikely |
| 04:10.28 | childc2 | should being the usual key word, but at least it should be an interesting problem |
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| 04:29.26 | TomTomTosh | wouldnt using raspbian and backporting it yourself be the cleanest option? |
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| 04:32.13 | Altobelli | Hi I need help in spanish, somebody there speak spanish |
| 04:32.19 | TomTomTosh | !es |
| 04:32.20 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
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| 04:34.48 | Altobelli | Hola |
| 04:34.52 | lotsoftuna | Hi... how do I turn off the sticky bit on a folder |
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| 04:35.05 | lotsoftuna | drwsr-xr-x 3 www-data www-data 4096 Feb 16 22:36 www |
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| 04:37.51 | tx | Hey guys, using network-manager on 8.3, after connecting, I drop after about a minute |
| 04:37.57 | tx | "Process '/sbin/crda' failed with exit code 255." spams my daemon log |
| 04:38.05 | jim | lotsoftuna, you mean that s? that's not the sticky bit, it's the setuid bit |
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| 04:40.57 | jim | tx, crda man page on my system does not show what any exit status means (unfortunately) |
| 04:42.21 | tx | jim: 255 doesn't exist |
| 04:42.29 | tx | 255 means that the error code has overflowed |
| 04:42.35 | tx | (> 255) |
| 04:42.40 | tx | or 254, rather |
| 04:43.52 | jim | tx, how are you seeing that (or how do you know that)? |
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| 04:44.11 | rawf | woot |
| 04:44.41 | tx | ah nevermind |
| 04:44.48 | tx | (still have crda problem though!) |
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| 04:46.01 | jim | well I'm curious, because I want to read about those exit statuses too |
| 04:47.40 | rawf | when do I need to worry about wheezy packages disappearing? |
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| 04:48.30 | jim | rawf, they end up on archive.debian.org, so maybe you don't need to worry |
| 04:48.43 | themill | rawf: that will probably depend on the architecture -- which arch? In any case it's either months or years away. |
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| 04:49.12 | rawf | just good old i386 |
| 04:49.37 | rawf | why would a video card package be in wheezy but not jessie? |
| 04:49.59 | themill | that should get LTS support for another 2 years |
| 04:50.03 | themill | which? |
| 04:50.22 | rawf | the xserver-xorg-video-chips package |
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| 04:50.48 | themill | ,bug rm xserver-xorg-video-chips |
| 04:50.52 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/732470 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: xserver-xorg-video-chips -- ROM; unmaintained»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-12-15; last modified: 2014-01-16. |
| 04:50.57 | Lope | why doesn't this work? `su -c 'foo=/new/path echo $foo' bob` I want to set an environment variable when I su. |
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| 04:52.33 | themill | Lope: $foo is expanded before foo= is set. Make it two separate commands with a ;. |
| 04:52.40 | rawf | So, could I become the maintainer for it and get it into jessie? |
| 04:53.04 | themill | rawf: it'll never end up in jessie, but it could end up in jessie-backports (and stretch). |
| 04:53.21 | themill | rawf: but it sounds like it doesn't even compile at present, so there's some work to be done |
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| 04:54.46 | jim | rawf: (since jessie has been officially released, nothing new will get in) |
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| 04:55.19 | rawf | yeah. That package is the only reason why I'm on wheezy right now. So I have interest in getting it running on jessie. |
| 04:55.37 | rawf | ah, ok. I'm not too solid on the debian workflow. |
| 04:55.43 | jim | you could try building the package under jessie |
| 04:56.07 | themill | rawf: step 1 would be get the old source package; step 2 would be to update the existing packaging to a new upstream and see if it builds |
| 04:56.40 | Lope | themill: thanks |
| 04:56.48 | themill | rawf: if you're lucky, git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-video-chips still exists |
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| 04:57.33 | rawf | I did find a git repo for it while trying to work something out. |
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| 05:16.34 | devhen | so...no glibc update for squeeze? |
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| 05:19.29 | themill | devhen: it was updated yesterday |
| 05:19.32 | willemb | dsa-3481 says "While it is only necessary to ensure that all processes are not using the old glibc anymore, it is recommended to reboot the machines after applying the security upgrade" |
| 05:19.51 | willemb | since systemd is using the old glibc, I guess rebooting is our only choice? |
| 05:20.26 | devhen | themill: thanks. sure enough i see libc updates that i applied 3 days ago. would that have been it then? |
| 05:21.11 | themill | not unless you have a time machine |
| 05:21.50 | derekdai | Hi, I have uploaded a patched version of gfxboot onto http://mentors.debian.net/package/gfxboot, does anybody can tell me what to do next? |
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| 05:22.37 | devhen | themill: https://dpaste.de/pyg6/raw that look right ? |
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| 05:23.40 | themill | it's an upgrade but not one that fixes the most recent round of bugs that you're asking about |
| 05:23.50 | themill | ,f libc6 --release squeeze-security-lts |
| 05:23.56 | themill | ,v libc6 --release squeeze-security-lts |
| 05:23.58 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u11 |
| 05:24.15 | devhen | interesting. thanks |
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| 05:25.03 | devhen | https://dpaste.de/R5PR/raw |
| 05:25.03 | themill | (note that squeeze only has 2 weeks of its limited LTS left... it's really time to upgrade to a supported release) |
| 05:25.12 | blubee | hi guys can I install qt5 on debian jessie 8.3? |
| 05:25.14 | devhen | right. im planning on doing that very soon |
| 05:25.17 | devhen | just not tonight :) |
| 05:25.22 | blubee | would that break my system? |
| 05:25.22 | themill | blubee: sure |
| 05:25.27 | themill | it's in jessie already |
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| 05:26.53 | blubee | themill: what about these: http://pastebin.com/RsgCj7r4 |
| 05:27.30 | blubee | all of those files aren't in jessie |
| 05:28.36 | themill | blubee: kf5 â qt5 and that's unlikely to get backported |
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| 05:30.21 | blubee | themill: oh |
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| 06:08.42 | ecom | I reinstalled firefox after using iceweasel for a bit, and now almost every single extension that was previously working now shows "incompatible with firefox 43.0". I had to get another addon that disables compabitbility checks, but it causes a lot of problems with websites. Anyone know a way to fix this? |
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| 06:24.47 | jonesmeier | hi, i'm trying to recover a broken system, the standard live iso doesn't contain MDADM etc. |
| 06:24.53 | jonesmeier | what am i supposed to use |
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| 06:27.35 | jonesmeier | ok it seems like you're supposed to use an install image |
| 06:27.41 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 06:43.14 | SerajewelKS | when ifup fails because dhclient can't acquire a lease, is there anyway to have the system automatically return to a sane state? |
| 06:43.31 | SerajewelKS | as it is, dhclient continues running but the interface isn't marked configured |
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| 06:43.57 | SerajewelKS | which is a horrible state to try to recover from in an automated way |
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| 06:46.40 | ecom | Network manager is incredibly unstable. Sometimes my wifi is around 750 kbps and sometimes it is 32 mbps. Sometimes my wifi's SSID won't even show up. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but that did no good. Any ideas? |
| 06:47.22 | SerajewelKS | network manager would have nothing to do with the speeds you are getting |
| 06:47.32 | ecom | SerajewelKS: then what would be the cause? |
| 06:47.47 | SerajewelKS | probably the kernel driver -- that or the wireless NIC itself |
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| 06:48.03 | SerajewelKS | or maybe there's just a lot of interference |
| 06:48.08 | ecom | SerajewelKS: those things are not the issue |
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| 06:48.27 | SerajewelKS | that's quite a statement to make categorically when you are having bizarre problems like this |
| 06:48.40 | ecom | SerajewelKS: I know it's not the issue because I was fine when using wicd |
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| 06:49.25 | SerajewelKS | perhaps your environment had less interference when using wicd |
| 06:50.08 | SerajewelKS | have you tried switching back to wicd for a while to see if that resolves the issue? |
| 06:50.44 | ecom | SerajewelKS: wicd had stable speeds, but was unable to find my network's SSID after sleep. Network manager, for a while, was running perfectly until something happened, I don't know what. |
| 06:50.54 | ep0na | h |
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| 06:51.03 | SerajewelKS | it really could be interference |
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| 06:51.31 | ecom | SerajewelKS: what do you mean interference? Like other devices? |
| 06:51.41 | SerajewelKS | yes, exactly. i swore that a new router we got was faulty somehow because right after installing it, i couldn't get a stable connection. |
| 06:52.14 | SerajewelKS | after doing some very lengthy troubleshooting, i was able to determine that the problem was that my wife put the kid to bed and turned on the baby monitor while i was swapping out the wireless AP. |
| 06:52.24 | ecom | SerajewelKS: do you use network manager? |
| 06:52.26 | SerajewelKS | and the monitor was spraying interference all over the 2.4GHz band |
| 06:52.33 | SerajewelKS | i have in the past; i do not currently |
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| 06:52.39 | ecom | SerajewelKS: what do you use now? |
| 06:52.54 | SerajewelKS | ethernet cables ;) on all of my linux boxes, anyway |
| 06:53.12 | SerajewelKS | i only have a few wireless computers and they are issued by my office, so i have to put up with OS X (sadly) |
| 06:53.17 | msn | I am doing lsof |grep <username> and i get 17k files when i do lsof -u <username> i get only 300 (its a system user used to run a service |
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| 06:54.53 | SerajewelKS | msn: i get similar results on my system, because a lot of processes not owned by me have some file open that happens to contain my user name |
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| 06:55.13 | SerajewelKS | msn: so the issue in your case is simply that those two commands do not do the same thing |
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| 06:55.24 | SerajewelKS | so it's no surprise they return differing results |
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| 06:56.48 | crucialhead | I have tried reinstalling mysql, and it will not run - I had to delete my database because it was too large and since then it wont start. |
| 06:57.21 | SerajewelKS | crucialhead: it's probably mad that the datadir is gone |
| 06:57.33 | crucialhead | I get a message when starting - SQLSTATE[HY000] [2002] Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
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| 06:57.56 | SerajewelKS | crucialhead: that's an error when attempting to connect to a running server, not an error when attempting to start the server |
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| 06:58.11 | crucialhead | mysqld.sock and pem file is gone and wont stay even after i touch |
| 06:58.20 | SerajewelKS | crucialhead: look in your mysql log (in /var/log) to see the error message the server generates |
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| 06:58.52 | crucialhead | var log is blank |
| 06:59.08 | SerajewelKS | that statement doesn't make any sense |
| 06:59.10 | crucialhead | i mean mysql.log is blank |
| 06:59.32 | SerajewelKS | what happens when you run "mysqld"? |
| 06:59.48 | crucialhead | I will look again, I did a tail mysql.log and got nothing |
| 07:00.36 | crucialhead | when I enter mysql -p i get the message also SQLSTATE[HY000] [2002] Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 07:00.57 | SerajewelKS | yes, because the mysql server is not running |
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| 07:01.08 | SerajewelKS | that message is not interesting |
| 07:01.14 | SerajewelKS | messages from the server are interesting |
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| 07:01.43 | crucialhead | when entering mysqld, it seems to start |
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| 07:02.18 | SerajewelKS | so kill it and start mysql the proper way and see if it starts |
| 07:03.03 | SerajewelKS | systemctl start mysql.service (or whatever it is in the init system you use) |
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| 07:05.45 | crucialhead | still get the message after systemctl daemon-reload |
| 07:06.14 | SerajewelKS | "systemctl daemon-reload" is not going to do anything helpful |
| 07:06.37 | crucialhead | get an error message after systemctl start mysqld |
| 07:06.53 | crucialhead | systemctl start mysql.service |
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| 07:07.23 | SerajewelKS | what is the error message? |
| 07:07.40 | crucialhead | Warning: Unit file of mysql.service changed on disk, 'systemctl daemon-reload' recommended. |
| 07:07.42 | crucialhead | Job for mysql.service failed. See 'systemctl status mysql.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details. |
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| 07:07.58 | SerajewelKS | so run "systemctl status mysql.service" |
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| 07:09.06 | crucialhead | Failed at step EXEC spawning /etc/init.d/mysql: No such file or directory - after running systemctl statys |
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| 07:09.31 | SerajewelKS | so /etc/init.d/mysql is missing? |
| 07:09.39 | SerajewelKS | how much did you delete!? |
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| 07:09.50 | Leoneof | hi, after netinstall, what's the name of package to install full kde desktop? |
| 07:10.15 | crucialhead | I think I just deleted the big file that was the database - my bad |
| 07:10.27 | SerajewelKS | crucialhead: there's more missing than just that |
| 07:10.39 | crucialhead | ls /etc/init.d |
| 07:10.40 | SerajewelKS | Leoneof: kde-full |
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| 07:10.53 | themill | dpkg: tell Leoneof about install kde |
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| 07:11.22 | crucialhead | yup, there is no mysql in /etc/init.d |
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| 07:11.45 | themill | !confmiss |
| 07:11.46 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 07:11.48 | SerajewelKS | crucialhead: at this point, if you haven't made any config changes you want to keep, it may be fastest to purge (not remove!) the mysql server package and reinstall it |
| 07:12.05 | crucialhead | does it need to be there even though we are systemd? |
| 07:12.05 | SerajewelKS | crucialhead: particularly if you have also deleted your datadir |
| 07:12.20 | SerajewelKS | crucialhead: the systemd unit delegates to the init script currently, so yes |
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| 07:13.25 | SerajewelKS | you could also try the confmiss technique themill called up followed by a dpkg-reconfigure on the mysql server package to recreate the database |
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| 07:13.34 | SerajewelKS | i don't know if dpkg-reconfigure will do that, however |
| 07:13.59 | crucialhead | hmm, I remember doing the --purge when removing, is there anything I could do to force it to install everything it needs? |
| 07:14.21 | SerajewelKS | see the factoid themill called up above |
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| 07:26.13 | crucialhead | Oh yes! thank you all, I thought I was going to have to nuke and pave - but it works now - sweet |
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| 07:29.11 | msn | SerajewelKS: I tried it for mongodb user and nginx with nginx user the results were very close for both but for mongodb user the results were bout 100 times apart |
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| 07:29.42 | SerajewelKS | msn: did you actually compare the output or just the number of results? |
| 07:30.01 | SerajewelKS | msn: hint: actually LOOK at the data from each command |
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| 07:30.13 | Leoneof | SerajewelKS , themill , thanks :) |
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| 07:32.57 | crucialhead | As it would turn out, I did not install mysql-server, I just reinstalled mysql-common :P |
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| 07:35.43 | crucialhead | that is why I was getting the mysqld.sock messages :P |
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| 07:40.03 | SerajewelKS | crucialhead: in part, yeah. you were getting those messages because there was no mysql server running. it can't be running if it's not installed. ;) |
| 07:40.33 | SerajewelKS | crucialhead: the message about mysqld.sock is the canonical "i can't connect to a server; it's probably not running right now" error |
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| 07:41.43 | crucialhead | i thought installing mysql-common would install the server - but that was wrong' |
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| 07:42.30 | SerajewelKS | no, that just installs pieces shared by the client and the server |
| 07:43.32 | SerajewelKS | hmm actually it looks like it's just for the client -- it doesn't seem related to the server at all |
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| 07:47.29 | crucialhead | I had to install mysql-client also because it was not installed. |
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| 07:50.08 | cuqa | hello, is a reboot required for latest libc6 patch? |
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| 08:06.19 | tralala | where can I find the commands that are used by the multimedia keys? |
| 08:07.05 | tralala | I mean where are the default settings for the multimedia keyboards? I'm using XFCE and openbox. |
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| 08:16.42 | chovy | i used fsck in recovery-mode to repair a disk, its working now...but its very slow to respond to commands, (ls takes about 15 seconds sometimes) |
| 08:16.58 | chovy | is there anything else i can do? |
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| 08:20.04 | tralala | chovy, sounds like your disk is dying |
| 08:20.34 | tralala | is dmesg showing any complains? |
| 08:21.32 | chovy | tralala: what should i look for in dmesg? |
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| 08:22.27 | tralala | chovy, just see what dmesg | tail shows after a slow disk operation |
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| 08:22.42 | babilen | Also take a look at the output of "smartctl -a /dev/YOURDEVICE" |
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| 08:23.16 | babilen | You might also want to run some tests with smartctl (see its manpage for details) |
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| 08:27.10 | chovy | tralala: https://gist.github.com/chovy/3b65bd89987aef873ae1 |
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| 08:28.57 | tralala | chovy, backup everything important if it's not too late and replace the disk |
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| 08:29.38 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 08:31.11 | Azrael_- | i've got some old systems which i currently can't upgrade (squeeze). is there a way to secure them from the glibc-getaddrinfo-bug? |
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| 08:32.28 | tralala | Azrael_-, patching and recompiling the sources |
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| 08:34.00 | jim | why "currently can't upgrade"? |
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| 08:35.35 | themill | Azrael_-: you can install the security upgrade that was released yesterday |
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| 08:37.04 | tralala | My multimedia keys work in XFCE/openbox even though I haven't configured them. How do I find where is the default configuration? |
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| 08:38.35 | chovy | tralala: bad sign? |
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| 08:41.12 | tralala | chovy, your disk is dying |
| 08:41.26 | chovy | tralala: nothing i can do to fix it? |
| 08:41.32 | chovy | i'm backup up now |
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| 08:41.52 | chovy | i'm probably going to need to provide evidence the disk is dying for them to replace it |
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| 08:43.52 | tralala | chovy, there's nothing you can do. If it's still under warranty they will test it and see that it needs replacement. |
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| 08:45.34 | chovy | tralala: ok. i'll file a ticket with provider once i get my data backed up |
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| 08:50.11 | earthian | Hello, I have a problem removing partitions on my USB stick with Gnome disks: http://pastebin.com/cwW2pTQ3 |
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| 08:55.25 | Deele | hello |
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| 08:56.29 | Deele | how do I install older version of python-wx (2.8), because I currently can't find it via default apt-get, only 3rd version is availible, and software I want to use, does not support refactored stuff from 3rd version |
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| 09:18.36 | moleccc | sorry if this is a stupid quesiton, but to update glibc, which package names do I have to update? is it libc6? |
| 09:19.07 | Jonathan_ | hello, can someone help me with this issue http://serverfault.com/questions/757626/cannot-boot-because-of-networking-service ? |
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| 09:19.56 | lesta | moleccc: in the debian web site, debian.org, down there are all the security update news |
| 09:20.06 | moleccc | thanks, lesta |
| 09:20.23 | jelly | moleccc: yes, and the packages built from the same source that it will depend on, but why not patch up the whole os |
| 09:20.41 | moleccc | I did "apt-get update", "apt-get upgrade" |
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| 09:21.24 | moleccc | jelly, but now, after reboot, "apt-cache show libc6" shows 2 versions of installed: 2.19-18+deb8u3 and 2.19-18+deb8u2. How to get rid of all vulnerable versions? |
| 09:21.30 | jelly | moleccc: did the output of the latter say you had any packages left not upgraded? |
| 09:22.24 | moleccc | jelly, don't remember. running "apt-get upgrade" again says: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." and does nothing |
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| 09:23.41 | themill | moleccc: you can only have one version installed -- which is it? |
| 09:23.52 | moleccc | themill, how to check? |
| 09:24.02 | themill | apt-cache policy $package |
| 09:24.28 | moleccc | themill, 2.19-18+deb8u3 |
| 09:24.42 | moleccc | but why does "apt-get show libc6" show 2 packages? |
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| 09:24.52 | moleccc | themill: see here: http://pastebin.com/iJAwX1vm |
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| 09:25.15 | moleccc | themill, including the worrying 2.19-18+deb8u2 |
| 09:25.17 | themill | moleccc: look at that apt-cache policy libc6 output again -- see that there are two packages there |
| 09:25.32 | moleccc | yes |
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| 09:25.51 | themill | and that they are from different repos and that there is only one installed |
| 09:26.03 | moleccc | yes |
| 09:26.10 | moleccc | so the other one is listed why? |
| 09:26.18 | themill | moleccc: because it is still in the repo |
| 09:26.20 | moleccc | I see |
| 09:26.23 | moleccc | that clears it up |
| 09:26.26 | moleccc | thanks a lot!!! |
| 09:26.38 | themill | If apt can see it in a repo, it is going to report it in "show" and "policy" etc |
| 09:26.50 | moleccc | so after a complete "apt-get upgrade" and checking installed version of libc6 is 2.19-18+deb8u3, I'm fine? |
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| 09:27.16 | jelly | moleccc: if you rebooted or restarted all the possible exposed services, yes |
| 09:27.21 | moleccc | themill, that really helped a lot |
| 09:27.52 | moleccc | themill, yes, I did a reboot |
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| 09:28.09 | jelly | tried to get sane output from aptitude -F '%p %V %v' but failed |
| 09:28.10 | moleccc | Didn't really want to, but glibc is too widely used |
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| 09:28.59 | themill | jelly: should work |
| 09:29.41 | jelly | apparently "%30p" is just a suggestion and aptitude always tries to use full width of the terminal in output |
| 09:30.06 | themill | --disable-columns (or also add width specifiers to the versions) |
| 09:30.56 | jelly | '%20p %20V %20v' failed as well unless stdout was not terminal, at that point I gave up |
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| 09:31.14 | jelly | so... --disable-columns enables column formatting? :-) |
| 09:31.18 | Jonathan_ | hello, can someone help me with this issue http://serverfault.com/questions/757626/cannot-boot-because-of-networking-service ? |
| 09:31.52 | tralala | jelly, maybe piping it to cat will trick it into submission. |
| 09:32.16 | jelly | tralala: it does but... |
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| 09:32.55 | jelly | --disable-columns just ignores any numbers completely |
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| 09:33.09 | tralala | jelly, I guess you just can't have it all sometimes. |
| 09:33.09 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 09:33.31 | jelly | I'd like to have words with whoever thought this was sane |
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| 09:38.29 | Jonathan_ | hello, can someone help me with this issue http://serverfault.com/questions/757626/cannot-boot-because-of-networking-service ? |
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| 09:44.16 | necku | when I'm launching debian live 8.3 standard from a usb drive, after loggin in with user//live, I get to the promt... how do I start up the usual desktop? |
| 09:45.13 | andrej_ | use live not standart disk |
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| 09:45.36 | necku | live not standard disk? |
| 09:45.55 | andrej_ | xfce mate gnome |
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| 09:46.46 | necku | andrej_, so I need to download another version and burs a new usb drive with either xfce/mate/gnome ? |
| 09:46.56 | andrej_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 09:47.22 | necku | andrej_, thx! |
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| 09:47.54 | andrej_ | necku, for install use standart disk if you want live redownload |
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| 09:49.12 | necku | andrej_, i'm not sure what you mean with that, I'm downloading the iso for the cinnamon desktop atm and will reinstall my USB drive |
| 09:49.42 | andrej_ | live disk i think not support UEFI |
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| 09:50.01 | themill | jelly: if you think of it as --disable-COLUMNS then it makes a little more sense (you can use COLUMNS rather than a pipe too) |
| 09:50.07 | andrej_ | try unetbootin |
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| 09:51.17 | markybob | !unetbootin |
| 09:51.18 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 09:51.25 | markybob | don't do that for debian |
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| 09:52.23 | necku | thanks for the info, I'm using Universal USB installer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ |
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| 09:52.54 | markybob | necku: why not use the suggested methods? |
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| 09:53.23 | necku | markybob, when googling I didn't find any default way of creating a usb flash? |
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| 09:55.37 | markybob | necku: are you doing it from windows? |
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| 09:55.44 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 09:55.54 | markybob | necku: ^^ |
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| 09:56.05 | necku | markybob, thanks! |
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| 10:16.09 | Lady_Aleena | The usb drives I'm trying to label are all fat32 drives. |
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| 10:16.19 | well_laid_lawn | Lady_Aleena: you do know ubuntu is not the same as debian ? |
| 10:16.40 | Lady_Aleena | well_laid_lawn, yes, but it is the only doc I can find on the subject. |
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| 10:17.20 | Lady_Aleena | I haven't been able to find something debian specific even with the search terms "change label for drive debian" |
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| 10:19.05 | Iridos | hm, is there a way to force a program to bind only to 127.0.0.1? I want to run a tigervnc server, but only available to localhost and the server itself doesn't seem to have an option to choose the interface |
| 10:19.05 | well_laid_lawn | Lady_Aleena: does this help http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/44095/how-to-change-the-volume-name-of-a-fat32-filesystem ? |
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| 10:20.06 | Iridos | oh, there is an option... that solves it |
| 10:20.07 | Se7en | Hello. I was just wondering why apt has GPG v1 instead of v2 |
| 10:20.14 | Se7en | Which is the latest |
| 10:20.34 | Iridos | still, would be interesting to know if there is some wrapper with a PRELOAD hack or so that can force it |
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| 10:21.01 | cnygaard | How can you populate other hard disks with partitions using the Debian installer? I'm trying to put the same partition on /dev/sdb as /dev/sda |
| 10:21.14 | cnygaard | using preseed |
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| 10:22.15 | rafalcpp | what web browser (that has graphical mode) is most secure now? |
| 10:22.51 | jummpp | /script |
| 10:23.15 | Iridos | Se7en, you might find some comment in the source or changelog of apt? |
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| 10:23.59 | markybob | cnygaard: probably chrome/chromium. Pwn2Own 2016 won't even touch firefox because it's "too easy" |
| 10:24.14 | markybob | rafalcpp: ^ |
| 10:24.18 | Iridos | Se7en, and seems to me that apt tests availability of gpg and gpg2 |
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| 10:24.43 | xar- | greetings, anyone know why apache2 opens hundreds of references to /dev/zero? lsof is... puzzling. |
| 10:25.01 | Se7en | What qualifies the avalibility? |
| 10:25.30 | markybob | xar-: might want to ask #httpd |
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| 10:25.49 | Iridos | dunno, I just grepped the source and it seemed that way... I'm sure if you put some more time in it than I, you can do much better |
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| 10:26.42 | ksk | hola |
| 10:26.43 | Lady_Aleena | Where do I go to find out why a drive won't mount? |
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| 10:27.20 | ksk | If I now update libc6, apt asks me which services I want to restart. As I will rebot the whole machine after upgrading I dont want to be asked anyway. How do I supress apt asking? thanks! |
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| 10:27.48 | Iridos | Se7en, "apt-get source apt" will download&unpack the source for you, "aptitude changelog apt" will show you the debian changelog |
| 10:28.21 | forki | exit |
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| 10:29.37 | Iridos | Se7en, from the changelog, it seems adding gpg archive auth closed a specific bug, so possibly implementation details were discussed in bugs.debian.org/203741 |
| 10:29.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/203741 in apt (closed, fixed-in-experimental): «Release file signature verification (ABIchange)»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2003-08-01; last modified: 2007-06-18. |
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| 10:32.41 | Jonathan_ | hello, can someone help me with this issue http://serverfault.com/questions/757626/cannot-boot-because-of-networking-service ? |
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| 10:35.17 | rafalcpp | markybob: thanks |
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| 10:37.07 | Lady_Aleena | Well, mlabel just corrupted my usb drive and made it unreadable. |
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| 10:39.11 | quantum-x | I just installed a fresh install of jessie (along with its python3.4.2) - I am trying to install cx-freeze (a python related tool) - but get: source/util.c:6:20: fatal error: Python.h: No such file or directory. This is normally missing python development headers, however: apt-get reports: python3.4-dev is already the newest version. |
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| 10:40.30 | ws2k3_ | when i would use fakeraid and my system would break is it possible to recover the data from the disk? |
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| 10:41.46 | markybob | quantum-x: could be a few things. pypy-dev? libpython3.4-dev ? |
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| 10:42.31 | quantum-x | markybob, ok, let me have a look. I know libpython3.4-dev is on |
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| 10:44.46 | Lady_Aleena | I just pasted the errors (and messages around it) to http://paste.debian.net/393922/ regarding my usb drive and why it won't mount. Any help will be appreciated since some files on the drive are ONLY on the drive, and I don't want to lose them. Please? |
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| 10:46.21 | Lady_Aleena | This occurred right after I used "sudo env MTOOLS_SKIP_CHECK=1 mlabel -i /dev/sdd1 ::my_backup" to give it a label. |
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| 10:47.37 | tdn | Where can I find guidelines for how to upgrade from Debian 7.9 to 8 regarding PostgreSQL (going frmo 9.1 to 9.4)? |
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| 10:55.31 | Lady_Aleena | I'll take my question to the forums, as the net split will probably make it hard for people to find. |
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| 10:56.56 | rafalcpp | how to make chromium more secure? |
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| 10:58.07 | jelly | markybob: really, have the distros changed the default settings? |
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| 10:58.25 | rafalcpp | actually... I see debian does not package any chromium plugins at all... sadly. unlike for firefox/iceawesel |
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| 11:04.07 | quantum-x | markybob, so - I think I made some progress, but now it's erroring out with absolutely no feedback - could you take a peek at this please? https://gist.github.com/quantum-x/7cab4c77c86d1ca4403d |
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| 11:16.28 | tdn | markybob, wow, does apache break when going from 7.9 --> 8? |
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| 11:17.23 | quantum-x | markybob, for the reference if you / anyone else sees this: https://bitbucket.org/anthony_tuininga/cx_freeze/issues/32/cant-compile-cx_freeze-in-ubuntu-1304 fixes the problem |
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| 11:19.00 | TomTomTosh | tdn, possibly needs some tweaking https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat |
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| 11:22.58 | wooden | the debian package of openvpn includes the script /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf which is a script that requires /sbin/resolvconf. however, there's no package that provides /sbin/resolvconf in jessie. what are people doing to get their /etc/resolv.conf updated when openvpn connects? |
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| 11:26.46 | wooden | ^ nevermind...i'm wrong. `apt-file find` didn't report it, but there is a resolvconf package in jessie. nothing to see here... |
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| 11:28.30 | tdn | TomTomTosh, thanks. Will look at that. |
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| 12:12.57 | teraflops | how do I search sources packages with apt, I mean, im looking for source packages in backports. |
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| 12:15.05 | teraflops | if I do apt-get source -t jessie-backport openssh I get the same version as in jessie repos, how can i launch searches against backports for source packages? |
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| 12:20.23 | towo^work | teraflops, i don't see a jessie-backport for openssh |
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| 12:23.37 | teraflops | hmm, but i wonder how do I search source pakages, apt-src does not seem to be what I want |
| 12:23.46 | aversario | teraflops: did you mean -> apt-cache search openssh |
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| 12:27.27 | towo^work | teraflops, you can do apt-cache policy $binary-package, if there one in backports, then the correspondent source-package is in backports |
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| 12:28.01 | towo^work | teraflops, and if so, apt-get -t jessie-backports source $package would download the source from backports |
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| 14:18.28 | karlpinc | afidegnum: If you want specific instructions you'd need to show us your current partitioning layout. I should also add that most people here do not wantto see pictures. It's much easier for us to work with text, both textual commands and textual results. |
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| 14:21.12 | afidegnum | here is my current partition table, https://www.dropbox.com/s/exij180dgomjiml/Screenshot%20from%202016-02-17%2014%3A19%3A26.png?dl=0 |
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| 14:22.33 | afidegnum | that's the one with 28.69Gb, i have to delete files in there, but still not sufficient |
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| 14:36.23 | afidegnum | any insight ? |
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| 14:36.39 | ntz | hello |
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| 14:38.01 | ntz | simple Q: (sorry for asking, I'm not debian guy so please be patient) I need to enable backports (presumably) for 7.9 (says etc/debian_version) that it contains bind 9.9+ (ideally 9.10.3), how should looks like those (?2) lines in etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 14:39.08 | at0m | ntz: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 14:39.37 | ntz | at0m: fair, and 7.9 is wheezy, correct ? |
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| 14:42.23 | babilen | dpkg: wheezy-backports |
| 14:42.23 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 8 "Jessie" release but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 14:42.30 | babilen | at0m: ^ |
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| 14:42.54 | at0m | babilen: oh, had /msg'd backports |
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| 14:43.27 | babilen | As jessie is the current stable release that gets you jessie-backports |
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| 14:43.45 | MrTrump | does debian 7 have this glibc problem? and how fix? |
| 14:43.59 | babilen | It does, update and reboot |
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| 14:44.29 | babilen | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-7547 |
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| 14:45.29 | ntz | hmmm .... how do I install that package from backports ... I can see it in ``apt-show-versions -a bind9'' but both ``apt-get install bind9'' or ``apt-get upgrade bind9'' says it's up-to-date |
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| 14:45.57 | MrTrump | http://pastebin.ca/3375507 |
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| 14:46.11 | MrTrump | is this sources.list ok? |
| 14:46.18 | MrTrump | i didn't get any updates |
| 14:47.28 | babilen | MrTrump: What does "apt-cache policy libc6" give you? |
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| 14:48.34 | babilen | ntz: "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install bind9" |
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| 14:49.23 | ntz | gotcha already .... I was lazy to continuing reading http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/, I did it already :) |
| 14:49.29 | ntz | babilen: but thanks much anyway |
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| 14:49.52 | babilen | ntz: Sure, no problem. Enjoy! |
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| 14:50.44 | ntz | what can I do with this http://susepaste.org/view/raw/17230694 ? |
| 14:50.57 | ntz | can I tell it to store it with some suffix ? |
| 14:51.26 | ntz | gotcha also |
| 14:51.51 | ntz | omg |
| 14:51.54 | ntz | omg !!!! |
| 14:51.59 | babilen | mmh? |
| 14:52.37 | MrTrump | http://paste.debian.net/394370/ |
| 14:52.39 | babilen | Regarding your earlier question: I'd take a look at the differences and then either accept the maintainer's version or keep your old one. If there have been significant changes you want to merge them. |
| 14:52.46 | ntz | it automatically stops & starts (restarts) bind9 service !!!!! |
| 14:52.52 | ntz | omg |
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| 14:53.04 | ntz | from dpkg ....... |
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| 14:53.28 | MrTrump | 2.19-18+deb8u3 |
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| 14:53.52 | babilen | MrTrump: That looks fine, you have the current (and secure) version 2.19-18+deb8u3 installed. Make sure to restart services in question or just reboot the box. |
| 14:54.25 | babilen | ntz: And? |
| 14:54.34 | MrTrump | if I dont and i have debian 7, I am thinking of our production older debians, I will need to update upgrade and reboot? |
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| 14:54.43 | MrTrump | this is my 8.3 test box |
| 14:55.32 | rozie | MrTrump: checkrestart (from debian-goodies), needrestart |
| 14:55.34 | babilen | MrTrump: Yes, you will have to update and reboot if you want that problem to be fixed. It is entirely up to you, but I would recommend it. |
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| 14:55.53 | MrTrump | whats checkrestart now? |
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| 14:56.34 | babilen | A tool that shows you processes that use outdated libraries and commands to restart corresponding services |
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| 15:03.17 | edoardo | Hello. For some reason my ethernet interface just stopped working |
| 15:03.27 | edoardo | Any suggestions on how to solve it? |
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| 15:03.48 | blubee | hi guys, i am on debian jessie 8.3, is it possible to install these packages |
| 15:03.50 | edoardo | ifconfig shows the interface (enp0s25) |
| 15:03.50 | blubee | http://pastebin.com/f3PzHNkv |
| 15:03.55 | blubee | without breaking my system? |
| 15:04.14 | edoardo | But if i try to bring it up |
| 15:04.16 | edoardo | $ sudo ifup enp0s25 |
| 15:04.16 | edoardo | Unknown interface enp0s25 |
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| 15:04.37 | blubee | i am running gnome dm but i'd like to build a kde product |
| 15:05.31 | karlpinc | blubee: Are the packages you want from the stock debian repos? Why can't you just use apt to install them? |
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| 15:05.53 | karlpinc | edoardo: Is enp0s25 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:06.23 | edoardo | karlpinc: well, no |
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| 15:06.42 | karlpinc | edoardo: That'd be why ifup/down does not find the interface then. |
| 15:07.01 | blubee | karlpinc: apt-get just returns with those errors |
| 15:07.09 | blubee | saying can't locate the packages |
| 15:07.34 | edoardo | How can i add the interface to /etc/network ? |
| 15:08.06 | edoardo | I guess there's an utility that scans for interfaces and automatically adds them to /etc/network |
| 15:08.12 | karlpinc | edoardo: I always use a text editor and edit the file. |
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| 15:08.48 | karlpinc | edoardo: You can probably "dpkg-reconfigure" some package to get the configuration setup to start over, but I can't tell you the package name offhand. |
| 15:08.59 | edoardo | Hmm... What about using network-manager? |
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| 15:09.41 | karlpinc | edoardo: I don't care for it. It does not play nice with the interfaces file, or hasn't in the past. YMMV |
| 15:09.48 | edoardo | Oh |
| 15:10.23 | edoardo | I'll try reconfiguring it |
| 15:10.30 | karlpinc | edoardo: Duuno. Maybe things have changed since I tried it. |
| 15:11.04 | ptz0 | edoardo, meh. would advise going with what karlpinc said, just use a text editor and get it over with. |
| 15:11.11 | karlpinc | edoardo: You'd have to find the right package. |
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| 15:11.40 | edoardo | ptz0: this is on my main laptop, i can't edit a text file each time i have to connect to a certain network |
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| 15:11.57 | karlpinc | edoardo: You only have to edit it once. |
| 15:12.03 | ptz0 | edoardo, ah no, you misunderstand. you can set it up to auto. |
| 15:12.11 | ptz0 | edoardo, which means only once |
| 15:12.15 | edoardo | i just tried ifup since usually it solves the problem on my single board pc |
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| 15:12.23 | karlpinc | edoardo: After that you can use ifup/down. (or set it to auto, if that does not conflict with other things you're doing.) |
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| 15:13.04 | edoardo | Yeah, i understand |
| 15:13.08 | ptz0 | oops yea apologies. not once because it is auto, what karlpinc added on is right. |
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| 15:13.30 | poffs | how do I get my drive's uuid? |
| 15:13.31 | edoardo | Though i'm not the only user of this pc |
| 15:13.37 | poffs | I need to update fstab |
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| 15:14.06 | karlpinc | poffs: Use "blkid". |
| 15:14.14 | edoardo | My brother doesn't know how to use linux, and making him edit files over the phone is not very easy :) |
| 15:14.40 | mtn | edoardo: is he using a de? if so, use network manager |
| 15:14.49 | edoardo | I'm already using network manager |
| 15:15.09 | mtn | edoardo: then no need to edit files. it should just work |
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| 15:15.17 | edoardo | Though for some reason it decided to refuse to use any ethernet network |
| 15:15.41 | karlpinc | edoardo: So you are not in front of the machine now? |
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| 15:15.46 | at0m | also, check out guessnet, and 'mapping' in 'man interfaces' |
| 15:15.54 | edoardo | Yes i am. |
| 15:15.57 | at0m | especially for laptops, you can add multiple configs |
| 15:15.59 | edoardo | It's connected via wifi right now |
| 15:16.07 | blubee | i can't even find any of those kde5 development files searching packages.debian.com |
| 15:16.14 | karlpinc | edoardo: Then you can edit the file. It only needs editing once. |
| 15:16.25 | karlpinc | !tell blubee about search |
| 15:16.40 | karlpinc | blueness: Development packages end in "-dev". |
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| 15:17.19 | karlpinc | blubee: If you want bleeding edge stuff that's not in debian you probably want to compile straight from source in your home directory anyhow. |
| 15:17.32 | blubee | doing apt-cache search libkf5config and it shows nothing |
| 15:17.43 | mtn | edoardo: did it work correctly at any time or has it been like this since install? |
| 15:17.48 | edoardo | mtn: yes |
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| 15:17.55 | Mohamed_DZ | someone tell me that XFCE developers stopped developing it few years ago, is this right? |
| 15:17.55 | edoardo | It just stopped working out of nowhere |
| 15:18.03 | at0m | ,v libkf5config |
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| 15:18.10 | mtn | edoardo: ah, so somebody changed something |
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| 15:18.15 | edoardo | indeed |
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| 15:18.27 | edoardo | It doesn't even connect to my modem which is a simple DHCP |
| 15:19.23 | mtn | edoardo: what does ifconfig -a show you? |
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| 15:20.09 | edoardo | mtn: https://paste.debian.net/394437/ |
| 15:20.44 | ptz0 | edoardo, mm would go with a dhcp problem tho someone else should probably weigh in. |
| 15:20.59 | edoardo | mm? |
| 15:21.05 | ptz0 | hmm* forgot the h lol |
| 15:21.12 | edoardo | Oh ok |
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| 15:21.32 | edoardo | I tried to configure it as a static address with networkmanager |
| 15:21.50 | edoardo | But it doesn't even let me select the interface |
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| 15:22.12 | mtn | edoardo: from the wiki: NetworkManager will only handle interfaces not declared in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:22.35 | ptz0 | edoardo, could give dhclient a try on your eth interface |
| 15:23.08 | edoardo | mtn: only loopback in that file |
| 15:23.11 | edoardo | ptz0: sure |
| 15:23.28 | mtn | edoardo: and if you just set things to auto in network manager? what then? |
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| 15:23.37 | edoardo | I just can't |
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| 15:24.19 | at0m | edoardo: check 'man interfaces', the 'mapping' there allows to configure for example laptop interfaces to recognize different locations |
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| 15:24.59 | at0m | ... or guessnet can do that, too |
| 15:25.39 | edoardo | Ok i'll try dhclient |
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| 15:26.19 | edoardo | It just hangs |
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| 15:28.03 | edoardo | I'm afraid i actually broke my interface |
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| 15:28.07 | ptz0 | edoardo, tbh, this is the point i normally just advise editing /etc/network/interfaces. maybe somone else has smth on network-manager and the like. |
| 15:28.21 | edoardo | not even dhclient works |
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| 15:32.51 | edoardo | It's not just this interface |
| 15:33.05 | edoardo | Any ethernet interface doesn't work, even with /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:33.36 | PatienceZero | What's a good music player with a library feature that supports remote smb:// directories as well as local dirs? |
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| 15:33.54 | PatienceZero | for wheezy & gnome |
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| 15:34.53 | rozie | 16:21 < edoardo> mtn: https://paste.debian.net/394437/ |
| 15:35.01 | rozie | this show that network is working |
| 15:35.17 | edoardo | Wait |
| 15:35.23 | rozie | edoardo: show ip r output pls |
| 15:35.30 | edoardo | I didn't have any ethernet device connected to the port |
| 15:36.02 | edoardo | https://paste.debian.net/394462/ |
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| 15:37.08 | rozie | ok, ping 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 15:37.13 | rozie | does this work? |
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| 15:39.43 | edoardo | rozie: that's my network i'm connected to via wifi |
| 15:39.52 | edoardo | i need to connect to another network via ethernet |
| 15:40.33 | mtn | edoardo: have you tried without the wireless connected? |
| 15:40.41 | edoardo | Hmm no |
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| 15:40.57 | edoardo | Wait |
| 15:41.00 | edoardo | I'll connect from my phone |
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| 15:44.19 | rozie | edoardo: network manager and wicd use only one iface at the time |
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| 15:44.38 | rozie | (at least by default, not sure if there's a way to change this) |
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| 15:44.55 | edoardo | rozie: no, i succesfully used both the wireless interfaces and the ethernet network together |
| 15:45.13 | edoardo | don't ask why, it was pretty funny but it worked |
| 15:45.41 | rozie | well, I cannot have 2 ifaces working at the same time with wicd |
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| 15:53.16 | xaionaro | Hello. How can I fix that? â init-system-helpers : Conflicts: openrc (<= 0.18.3-1) but 0.18.3-1 is to be installed |
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| 15:53.37 | xai | Both are from "sid". |
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| 15:53.51 | jelly-home | ,v openrc |
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| 15:53.52 | judd | Package: openrc on amd64 -- jessie: 0.13.1-4; sid: 0.18.3-1; stretch: 0.18.3-1 |
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| 15:54.33 | jelly-home | xai: basicaly, you can't, the only way is to help fixing openrc package |
| 15:54.42 | jelly-home | xai: which debian release are you using? |
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| 15:54.49 | jelly-home | !debian-next |
| 15:54.50 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:54.56 | xai | jelly-home: What is the problem with the package? 0.18.3-1 is already "<= 0.18.3-1" |
| 15:55.30 | jelly-home | xai: and init-system-helpers says it can't work with that version of openrc installed |
| 15:55.32 | xai | In the container is a mixed Debian jessie+sid. I know that's bad, but I cannot get what exactly is wrong |
| 15:55.51 | xai | jelly-home: Sorry for my stupidness but what's wrong with the version? |
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| 15:56.14 | xai | It exactly the same as in the condition of the init-system-helpers |
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| 15:56.43 | jelly-home | xai: I don't know what precisely is wrong, you'll have to check the bug reports for both, but the Conflicts works corrctly as written. |
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| 15:57.13 | jelly-home | xai: init-system-helpers says "I don't want this version of openrc, or any lower" |
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| 15:58.38 | xai | jelly-home: Ok, I was reading that as "I want this version or any lower". Thanks |
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| 15:59.33 | at0m | xai: that would be a "Depends: (<= 0.18.3-1)", not Conflicts |
| 15:59.44 | MrBar | hey dudes hi |
| 16:00.14 | MrBar | how to add to PATH env var to all users? |
| 16:00.28 | MrBar | in debian jessie |
| 16:00.52 | at0m | MrBar: edit /etc/profile |
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| 16:01.01 | xai | at0m: Just a thinking inertia. |
| 16:01.25 | at0m | xai: us mere mortals have that :) |
| 16:01.26 | MrBar | at0m, it can be changet on upgrade |
| 16:01.47 | at0m | MrBar: then put it in /etc/profile.d/$file |
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| 16:02.04 | MrBar | at0m, it not work for ordinal users |
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| 16:03.10 | MrBar | hey dudes any ideas about PATH? |
| 16:03.14 | at0m | MrBar: i'd think it would.. |
| 16:03.23 | MrBar | at0m, no it not work |
| 16:03.35 | MrBar | at0m, start from jessi it stop to work |
| 16:03.35 | at0m | MrBar: and it's not a boys club here. |
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| 16:03.53 | MrBar | at0m, hmm |
| 16:03.59 | MrBar | at0m, why not |
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| 16:04.51 | MrBar | hey boys comon |
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| 16:05.42 | MrBar | i like PATH i need it really |
| 16:06.05 | jim | hi,,, the recent netsplits made me aware they upgraded their libc... I understand there's a libc fix for jessie? also, I'm about to install this list of pkgs: libc-bin libc-dev-bin libc6:amd64 libc6 libc6-dbg libc6-dev libc6-i686 libc6-xen, anything I should watch out for, and is there any reason I should not do all or part of this? |
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| 16:07.25 | jelly-home | jim: you should patch up your system the usual way instead. "aptitude update", then "aptitude dist-upgrade" |
| 16:07.46 | jelly-home | oops |
| 16:07.53 | jelly-home | "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 16:08.07 | MrBar | now full upgrade? |
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| 16:08.21 | ghormoon | hi, does anyone else have the same problem that icedtea-7-plugin and iceweasel (or seamonkey, doesn't matter) on the java verification (https://www.java.com/en/download/installed8.jsp) fails with "Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: Could not find class JavaDetection"? |
| 16:08.24 | MrBar | looks dangerous |
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| 16:08.52 | jelly-home | MrBar: /msg dpkg full-upgrade |
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| 16:12.07 | MrBar | jelly-home, 98.2% of everything that is broken after full-upgrade |
| 16:12.59 | jelly-home | MrBar: what are you babbling about |
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| 16:13.32 | MrBar | mhaha |
| 16:13.58 | MrBar | never mind |
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| 16:15.54 | asuffield | !goal |
| 16:15.54 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
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| 16:17.40 | jim | yeah, just read that |
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| 16:18.25 | Resilience | hello to everyone, when I hibernate from xfce panel and then resume, there is an ext4 corruption of the filesystems, what can I do to make hibernate work? |
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| 16:19.08 | jim | ok, as I said, I noticed the netsplits, people started saying they were upgrading something, when I asked further, turned out they were upgrading their libc... so my goal to start with, is to get an answer to "should I be worried" |
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| 16:19.39 | hiya | there is an error |
| 16:19.45 | hiya | when I install eurephia |
| 16:20.01 | hiya | it does not install /var/lib/eurephiadb |
| 16:20.04 | hiya | http://www.eurephia.net/documentation/eurephia/1.1/html/Administrators_Tutorial_and_Manual/ch02s02.html |
| 16:20.05 | hiya | as per this |
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| 16:20.46 | jim | hiya, you should pastebin the error you're getting, along with the commands you're running that produce those messages |
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| 16:22.39 | jim | (hiya, and not to me... I'm unfamiliar with that program) |
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| 16:26.15 | hiya | jim, How do I add a new user+group with least privileges? I am doing this because my nogroup + nobody is too wide, and I want a specific openvpn group+user with least of the rights |
| 16:26.45 | MrBar | hiya, look at list https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/eurephia/filelist |
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| 16:28.17 | hiya | MrBar, I fixed it already |
| 16:28.36 | Resilience | hiya, https://www.google.es/search?q=addgroup&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=pp_EVurfGoaka6WsnoAN |
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| 16:34.19 | pthreat | Hi, are there any patches yet for glibc |
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| 16:34.57 | TomTomTo1 | pthreat, yes. |
| 16:35.13 | pthreat | TomTomTo1: do I just apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:37.40 | TomTomTo1 | pthreat, update and then upgrade. |
| 16:37.41 | abrotman | Hrm, we should probably put that in the topic ... |
| 16:37.49 | pthreat | yeah for sure guys |
| 16:37.54 | pthreat | you should put it in the topic |
| 16:37.56 | pthreat | asap |
| 16:38.09 | abrotman | Now we have to find an op .. |
| 16:38.20 | markybob | i see one... |
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| 16:39.04 | abrotman | Of course we have two DSAs for this, yay eglibc |
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| 16:40.44 | TomTomTo1 | pthreat, security-tracker has all the info btw https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-7547 |
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| 16:42.05 | abrotman | dpkg: libc6_bug |
| 16:42.05 | dpkg | Both glibc(dsa3481) and eglibc(dsa3480) have been patched for wheezy, jessie, and sid. To install:"apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"::Ensure libc is upgraded. See security.debian.org for other notes. |
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| 16:43.05 | *** topic/#debian by abrotman -> glibc security update? /msg dpkg libc6_bug Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.3; /msg dpkg 7.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
| 16:43.22 | abrotman | Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.3; /msg dpkg 7.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 16:43.57 | abrotman | there we go |
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| 16:44.04 | TomTomTo1 | that's a mouthful :D |
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| 16:44.36 | abrotman | at least it fit :) |
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| 16:48.42 | pthreat | Can anyone believe that some people at some distro channels are saying that this vuln is "not so bad" because it's "difficult to exploit" |
| 16:48.45 | marcoslater | If someone had an issue with snmpd on Debian 8 displaying network interfaces but not showing any statistics for them ( always 0), what would they do? |
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| 16:50.13 | rozie | pthreat: difficulty of exploitation is factor, for sure. but there's pretty good ranking of threads... |
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| 16:50.42 | rozie | threats, even |
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| 16:51.53 | EagleRock | abrotman: just updated, thanks for that info |
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| 17:11.04 | btcNeverSleeps | Hey all... Found an old box, running Debian 5. I was wondering: can I "apt-get dist-upgrade" it to Debian 8? (it's more out of curiosity) |
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| 17:14.41 | grawity | I'd go 5->6->7->8 if I had that |
| 17:15.14 | at0m | yes, you can't skip version when upgrading |
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| 17:15.41 | btcNeverSleeps | grawity: so "apt-get dist-upgrade" would go to 6 first? |
| 17:15.44 | btcNeverSleeps | grawity: I think it's "funnier" to do that than then to install 8 from scratch (it's an old box, I'll try it anyway) |
| 17:15.48 | btcNeverSleeps | at0m: gotcha |
| 17:16.12 | btcNeverSleeps | what about /etc/apt/sources.list? Do I need to mess with it before doing a "dist-upgrade"? |
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| 17:16.40 | markybob | btcNeverSleeps: of course. you have to change the release name in sources.list before each dist-upgrade |
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| 17:16.57 | markybob | btcNeverSleeps: and reboot between each upgrade |
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| 17:17.04 | at0m | btcNeverSleeps: i'd go by version names (wheezy, jessie, ...) instead of "stable" which would instantly bring it to the latest |
| 17:17.21 | at0m | maybe easier to apt-clone |
| 17:17.36 | markybob | easier to clean install |
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| 17:18.20 | at0m | yea, and back up some /etc/ and /home and what have you |
| 17:18.31 | at0m | btcNeverSleeps: if you need any of these at all |
| 17:18.49 | markybob | time for my libc reboot |
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| 17:19.28 | btcNeverSleeps | markybob: patched a few systems of mine yesterday for that libc security issue :) |
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| 17:26.16 | ZeloZelos | can i install with windows "wubi" or similar? |
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| 17:27.06 | markybob | ZeloZelos: no. debian doesn't have that. the installer isn't hard though |
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| 17:27.55 | ZeloZelos | i dont want to do any formatting/splitting of my drive |
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| 17:28.14 | markybob | ZeloZelos: so use virtualbox or something |
| 17:28.40 | jim | in an upgrade, how do I see the version of a package it's going to upgrade to? |
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| 17:28.53 | jim | before performing it |
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| 17:30.06 | aswin | hello. i am trying to display the contents of my downloads folder (/home/user/downloads) with lighttpd running as root. it is not happening. I symlinked the '/home/user/downloads' directory to '/var/www/html/downloads'. But when I access the link, I get 403 error |
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| 17:31.01 | markybob | aswin: you have a web server running as root? |
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| 17:31.20 | Delf | aswin: You do not want to run web server as root. |
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| 17:31.31 | aswin | markybob, i am starting it as root, once it starts running. It runs under www-data |
| 17:31.44 | aswin | markybob, its more like a local LAN server :) |
| 17:32.28 | afidegnum | hello, please i m at the tight corner, I while using my Live Boot, i wanted to expend the size of my current installation but it's locked, it can't move, it's even on unmount mode. meanwhile i can't create additional partitions, can you please help out? here is my partition table, http://ibin.co/2XIgJhAyHvsB I m left with 450Mb Hdd size left |
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| 17:32.32 | markybob | aswin: then you obviously need to check the permissions of /home/user/downloads and /var/www/html |
| 17:32.48 | Delf | aswin: Does the user www-data have access to your user dir? |
| 17:33.02 | aswin | Delf, I also tried running it as plain root |
| 17:33.24 | aswin | Delf, root has access to every file right? |
| 17:33.34 | markybob | aswin: don't be doing things like that |
| 17:34.30 | markybob | aswin: pastebin ls -l of those dirs |
| 17:34.31 | aswin | markybob, security is not a problem for me, because I am using this server, so that I can access my downloads folder from my father's computer (which runs windows) |
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| 17:35.11 | Delf | aswin: Does your config file have server.follow-symlink="enable"? |
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| 17:35.11 | markybob | okay. i'll walk away |
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| 17:36.21 | aswin | Delf, I don't think so |
| 17:36.21 | aswin | Delf, I will try |
| 17:36.21 | aswin | Delf, http://pastebin.com/fxhXYhQs |
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| 17:37.03 | edoardo | What did just happen? |
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| 17:37.13 | aswin | Delf, thanks a million delf :) |
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| 17:37.24 | aswin | Delf, I had to set it to follow symlinks |
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| 17:37.46 | aswin | markybob, thanks for your time markybob :) I will run my server as a non root user :D |
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| 17:38.36 | Hachya | jim: to see all possible upgrades, you should be able to use apt-get in verbose (-V) w/ I blv simulation (-s) which should show versions, then just press "n" for "no" if you don't want to do it. So like "apt-get -V -s upgrade". might want to check the options, though, I could be wrong. |
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| 18:03.01 | frexm | Just downloaded http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.3.0-amd64-standard.iso and wrote to a USB drive, cannot run memtest86+. |
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| 18:03.49 | markybob | frexm: how did you copy it to usb? |
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| 18:05.11 | frexm | markybob: dd if=<path> of=<path> bs=64k |
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| 18:05.24 | frexm | Seems like there is no memtest file on it.. |
| 18:05.33 | frexm | Congrats to whoever made that. |
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| 18:09.39 | jhutchins | frexm: A CD sized image can not possibly contain every utility that any random user could want. If you need memtest, find a memtest image. |
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| 18:12.08 | Akuw | hi |
| 18:12.24 | Akuw | how can i resume incomplete downloading using ctorrent ? |
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| 18:14.15 | taliptako | hello i want to optimize my sources i have some duplicates source |
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| 18:14.44 | jhutchins | taliptako: By all means do so. |
| 18:14.45 | taliptako | any command to delete duplicates |
| 18:14.55 | markybob | Akuw: ctorrent example.torrent should do it. but that's really off topic |
| 18:15.17 | taliptako | and i want to remove unused sources |
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| 18:16.46 | markybob | taliptako: i'm going to regret this ...but pastebin your sources.list |
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| 18:17.20 | frexm | jhutchins: There is a memtest86+ option in the grub menu, that obviously fail. |
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| 18:18.16 | jhutchins | frexm: I'm guessing the memtest configuration was carried over from a different install. You can report it as a bug. |
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| 18:19.07 | taliptako | markybob, why :D |
| 18:19.26 | jhutchins | taliptako: dd in vi |
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| 18:19.38 | markybob | taliptako: just the kind of day i'm having. let's see it |
| 18:19.38 | taliptako | markybob, actually my etc/apt/sources.list is look clear |
| 18:19.50 | taliptako | but when i make apt-get update there is duplicates |
| 18:19.56 | markybob | taliptako: so what are you talking about? |
| 18:20.19 | taliptako | apt-get update taking long time |
| 18:20.27 | taliptako | i want optimize and clear |
| 18:20.37 | jhutchins | taliptako: There may be files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 18:20.38 | markybob | taliptako: that's normal. you get ign and hit |
| 18:20.58 | frexm | bugs.debian.org seems to be down for me.. |
| 18:21.08 | jhutchins | taliptako: If you're not currently using source code you can comment out the deb-src lines too. |
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| 18:21.39 | taliptako | here is when i apt-get update http://kopy.io/rEgVB |
| 18:21.41 | taliptako | is it normal ? |
| 18:21.43 | frexm | Ah, so it should be www.debian.org/Bugs |
| 18:22.13 | markybob | taliptako: no. that's really fucked up |
| 18:22.24 | taliptako | yes :) |
| 18:22.30 | markybob | !tell taliptako about frankendebian |
| 18:22.37 | markybob | !tell taliptako about dontbreakdebian |
| 18:22.41 | markybob | jesus |
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| 18:23.06 | markybob | taliptako: you done fucked it more royally than i've seen in a long time. see, i said i'd regret it |
| 18:23.07 | taliptako | markybob what is your problem |
| 18:23.09 | dx486 | taliptako, no :) |
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| 18:24.07 | markybob | taliptako: my honest answer is to start over. |
| 18:24.08 | taliptako | markybob, i really dont understand you :) |
| 18:24.20 | markybob | taliptako: did you read what the bot said? |
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| 18:24.33 | taliptako | yes but my repos are clear ;) |
| 18:24.58 | markybob | taliptako: they're not "clear" at all. they're terrible. this is what a normal sources.list should look like https://paste.debian.net/plain/378523 |
| 18:25.13 | taliptako | its not my sources.list |
| 18:25.23 | taliptako | lol |
| 18:25.34 | markybob | taliptako: i dont care if it's in the dir. it gets included |
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| 18:25.37 | Akuw | can i resume a debian download with jigdo ? |
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| 18:27.38 | taliptako | markybob, how you install package if debian repos doesnt have it |
| 18:27.55 | taliptako | markybob, so you should add new repos |
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| 18:28.13 | taliptako | markybob, i just did this why you talking me like this and my os working perfect |
| 18:28.17 | TomTomTosch | markybob, i spy with my little eye someone who adds ubuntu repos to debian ;D |
| 18:28.18 | markybob | taliptako: generally i build from source. you never add new repos. like the bot told you...it breaks things |
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| 18:28.50 | taliptako | markybob,but |
| 18:28.59 | taliptako | markybob, i dont know build from source file |
| 18:29.11 | markybob | taliptako: i'm not talking to you like anything. don't take offense. you did something silly. get over it |
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| 18:29.35 | mylord | command not found: /etc/init.d/iptables restart |
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| 18:29.47 | mylord | is it normal on a new install? |
| 18:29.51 | taliptako | markybob, i can delete these packages and you are telling me you should reinstall your os again its really absurd |
| 18:30.08 | markybob | mylord: yes. there's no such thing |
| 18:30.18 | markybob | taliptako: yes. i'd reinstall |
| 18:30.34 | TomTomTosch | taliptako, it's not that easy. markybob is correct here. |
| 18:30.49 | taliptako | markybob, i dont think so |
| 18:31.05 | taliptako | markybob, because my os working well i havent problem |
| 18:31.07 | markybob | taliptako: well i'm not the only one saying so. but you do what you want |
| 18:31.47 | taliptako | markybob, on linux you can easly remove packages its not problem |
| 18:32.15 | markybob | taliptako: thank you for that information |
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| 18:32.59 | markybob | taliptako: if bot factoids and multiple people telling you otherwise can't convince you i don't see the point of the conversation |
| 18:33.50 | markybob | goes for a smoke |
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| 18:34.08 | Akuw | i am trying to use jigdo to download debian 8.3 but get 404 |
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| 18:36.15 | TomTomTosch | taliptako, if you install from a foreign repo it also pulls the dependencies, making a mess of your system. hard to tell what damage has been done and there is no place you will get support for that ;D |
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| 18:37.24 | TomTomTosch | removing the packages does not fix this. |
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| 18:40.16 | taliptako | TomTomTosch, how you understand that i have ubuntu repos ? |
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| 18:40.56 | BinBasher | how do I decide which sound output is used by default? If I plug in my headphones and plug them out again it goes to analog output instead of speakers |
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| 18:41.52 | BinBasher | I'm using gnome |
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| 18:42.18 | taliptako | TomTomTosch, what is that mean install from a foreign repo ? am i need to use always from debian? |
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| 18:42.36 | TomTomTosch | taliptako, it says precise there somewhere... and vivid... which are ubuntu distros. you also mixed jessie with wheezy. it's a mess. |
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| 18:43.18 | TomTomTosch | taliptako, you can only have the distro there that you use. mixing is bad. |
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| 18:43.46 | taliptako | TomTomTosch, its steam and i just download from steam web site do you think steam is bad ? |
| 18:44.01 | TomTomTosch | ignores the troll |
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| 18:44.20 | taliptako | i'm not troll :D |
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| 18:44.49 | taliptako | TomTomTosch, if you are talking about precise repo i use Hit http://repo.steampowered.com precise InRelease |
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| 18:45.09 | taliptako | its steam repo and i just install deb file from steam what can i do for install steam |
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| 18:47.54 | r6ku | taliptako: there's a package for steam in the debian repo |
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| 18:51.20 | taliptako | r6ku, i know which apps i'm using from foreign repos if i delete these app with their dependencies i can fix everything then |
| 18:51.29 | taliptako | but they tell me you should reinstall debian |
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| 18:54.43 | f-a | any easy way to get a (subset of) wikipedia for offline reading on debian? I browsed around but the only things I found are for android |
| 18:54.52 | peterrooney | taliptako: your operating system is in a hopeless situation, namely, |
| 18:55.03 | peterrooney | dpkg: frankendebian |
| 18:55.03 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 18:55.46 | taliptako | :D |
| 18:56.58 | taliptako | why its simple to install something from foreign repos why debian didnt warn me about this subject before i did |
| 18:57.38 | markybob | taliptako: it does if you read the docs. https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 18:58.59 | taliptako | must me warn me before i do i think |
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| 18:59.26 | mniip | when installing debian there's a menu where you can pick a desktop environment and a couple other options. I vaguely remember there being a dpkg-reconfigure option for it, what's it called? |
| 18:59.35 | taliptako | okay i'm going to reinstall it !!!! |
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| 18:59.47 | taliptako | but i'm angry about install everything again |
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| 19:01.06 | jelly-home | mniip: tasksel |
| 19:01.21 | jelly-home | mniip: not dpkg-reconfigurable, just run it |
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| 19:03.57 | Mitzelflick | ok |
| 19:04.08 | Mitzelflick | to fix the glibc problem on 7? |
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| 19:05.37 | markybob | Mitzelflick: it's in the topic |
| 19:05.51 | markybob | !tell Mitzelflick about libc6_bug |
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| 19:15.15 | Mitzelflick | dpkg -l to see version of glibc and eglibc installed? |
| 19:15.15 | dpkg | ii to see version of glibc and eglibc installed 3.9-1.2 mitzelflick's private gamp collection |
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| 19:15.23 | teraflops | Mitzelflick: what problem, that getaddrinfo() bug? |
| 19:15.31 | Mitzelflick | yeah work freakin |
| 19:15.54 | Mitzelflick | how do I check it installed the right version? https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-7547 I think shows me but what is command |
| 19:16.07 | Mitzelflick | to see version of glibc and eglibc installed? |
| 19:16.11 | Mitzelflick | dpkg -l? |
| 19:16.11 | dpkg | Files in package mitzelflick-pr0n: /srv/mitzelflick-pr0n/mitzelflick.jpg |
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| 19:16.31 | r4fkramer | Hi all |
| 19:16.46 | r4fkramer | HI all, I need a help. In some sites, when I try to see a video, it appears the following: 'A plugin is needed to display this content'. What package do I have to install so fix this issue, please ? |
| 19:16.59 | Iridos | Mitzelflick, when you do apt-get upgrade, you get a list of all the packages that are being upgraded? |
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| 19:17.26 | r4fkramer | there are several options in Debian list, I don't know which of them do I have to use in this case |
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| 19:18.15 | Mitzelflick | apt-cache policy libc6 shows version of glibc, what abut eglibc? |
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| 19:19.38 | Mitzelflick | ok I guess I will have to look at apt-get upgrade before I say yes? |
| 19:20.14 | Iridos | don't you always do that? |
| 19:20.40 | Mitzelflick | no |
| 19:21.01 | Mitzelflick | dpkg -l |grep glibc does not work |
| 19:21.01 | dpkg | ii |grep glibc does not work 1.9-13.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 19:21.10 | Iridos | I hope you at least do it when you remove stuff :) |
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| 19:21.41 | Iridos | because the package name is libc6 |
| 19:21.42 | r4fkramer | HI all, I need a help. In some sites, when I try to see a video, it appears the following: 'A plugin is needed to display this content'. What package do I have to install so fix this issue, please ? |
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| 19:21.57 | mtn | r4fkramer: what kind of video? |
| 19:22.05 | r4fkramer | youtube |
| 19:22.06 | mentor | Mitzelflick, Debian does not have separate version of eglibc and gkibc |
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| 19:22.23 | r4fkramer | .flv. .avi. |
| 19:22.30 | r4fkramer | Hi mtn |
| 19:22.38 | dontknow | does anyone know how to set font rendering for qt apps in gtk? |
| 19:22.52 | mentor | dontknow, That question makes no sense |
| 19:22.54 | mtn | r4fkramer: so are you missing flash? or just use a browser that does html like chromium |
| 19:23.11 | Mitzelflick | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-7547 what is this showing eglibc for? |
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| 19:23.22 | r4fkramer | I use iceweasel here, mtn, just need the name of the flashplugin for it |
| 19:23.40 | mtn | r4fkramer: open you package manager and search for flashplugin |
| 19:23.45 | dontknow | mentor, i am trying to use qupzilla browser which is qt, but font rendering sucks. i want to make it good |
| 19:24.01 | r4fkramer | is not possible to install it through command line ? |
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| 19:24.12 | teraflops | r4fkramer: youre in arm or x86(_64)? |
| 19:24.14 | r4fkramer | I think so, just don't know the name of the plugin |
| 19:24.17 | mtn | r4fkramer: sure, if you know the exact name |
| 19:24.19 | r4fkramer | amd64 |
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| 19:24.25 | r4fkramer | Debian Jessie 8.3 |
| 19:24.49 | markybob | r4fkramer: sure. apt-get install browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash |
| 19:24.50 | r4fkramer | that is the problem, what is the specific name for this plugin ? |
| 19:25.04 | r4fkramer | Hi markybob ! Thanks |
| 19:25.06 | markybob | r4fkramer: apt-cache search foo to find the package name in the future |
| 19:25.13 | mentor | Mitzelflick, The C library packages once used eglibc, and now use glibc |
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| 19:25.29 | r4fkramer | ok, markybob, thanks for attention and support ! |
| 19:25.42 | r4fkramer | Thanks for attention and support, teraflops ! |
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| 19:25.58 | r4fkramer | Thanks again for support and help, mtn ! Glad to see you again ! |
| 19:26.14 | r4fkramer | Glad to see you again, markybob ! |
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| 19:26.36 | teraflops | r4fkramer: np enjoy your yt experience ;P |
| 19:27.06 | mentor | dontknow, I don't really use Qt or KDE, but you won't be able to configure Qt apps through GTK |
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| 19:27.12 | Mitzelflick | ok |
| 19:27.14 | r4fkramer | ok, teraflops, I will do it ! Thanks ! |
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| 19:27.37 | Mitzelflick | can I just update glibc? I have boxes that might break work's apps if they are globally updated |
| 19:27.56 | greycat | Mitzelflick: apt-get update && apt-get install libc6 |
| 19:28.03 | Mitzelflick | libc6? |
| 19:28.08 | Mitzelflick | ok |
| 19:28.16 | greycat | that's the binary package name |
| 19:28.19 | r4fkramer | markybob, is really 'freshplayer ? |
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| 19:29.08 | r4fkramer | unable to find it |
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| 19:29.15 | teraflops | dontknow: change the gtk theme i suppose since the one you have looks terrible? |
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| 19:29.33 | teraflops | ,v flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:29.33 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1; sid/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1; stretch/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1 |
| 19:29.39 | r4fkramer | E: Unable to locate package browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash |
| 19:29.55 | dontknow | teraflops, i don't understand what you are saying |
| 19:29.58 | markybob | ,v browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash |
| 19:29.59 | judd | Package: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.3.4-1~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.3.4-1; sid/contrib: 0.3.4-3 |
| 19:30.09 | markybob | oh it's not in jessie. hrm |
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| 19:30.22 | greycat | in jessie-backports only, it seems |
| 19:30.24 | Mitzelflick | grepcay why not glibc? instead of libc6? |
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| 19:30.36 | greycat | glibc is the name of the source package; libc6 is the name of the binary package |
| 19:30.39 | r4fkramer | in this case, I have to include any line in the sources.list for this .... |
| 19:30.47 | Mitzelflick | oh shit |
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| 19:30.56 | greycat | !tell r4fkramer about jessie-backports |
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| 19:31.32 | r4fkramer | let me see where I can find this information, the line I have to edit in the sources.list.... |
| 19:31.47 | Mitzelflick | so where is the debian security page about binary packages? |
| 19:31.49 | greycat | Don't edit a line. Add a new line. |
| 19:32.08 | r4fkramer | I have backports list in the sources.list in one of my Debian Jessie installations, but don't remember how I write it. just one moment, please |
| 19:32.10 | greycat | Mitzelflick: unless you are compiling packages yourself, every package you have is a binary package |
| 19:32.11 | teraflops | dontknow: dang, it's the story if my life |
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| 19:32.17 | teraflops | of* |
| 19:32.25 | Mitzelflick | ok but where do you see this on debian site? |
| 19:32.43 | greycat | It's in the security announcements. |
| 19:32.48 | Mitzelflick | https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3481 |
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| 19:33.24 | Mitzelflick | I see this and then https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-7547 |
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| 19:33.29 | markybob | Mitzelflick: i already told you it's in the topic and how to fix it |
| 19:33.31 | greycat | OK, maybe the security team changed the format of their announcements. They USED to tell you the names of the affected binary packages in a format end users could understand.... |
| 19:33.48 | Mitzelflick | marky are you reading???? i am desperatly trying to make sense of this |
| 19:34.04 | greycat | THE PACKAGE NAME IS libc6 |
| 19:34.07 | Mitzelflick | ok |
| 19:34.08 | greycat | That is all you need to know. |
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| 19:34.17 | markybob | Mitzelflick: i'm obviously reading since i'm responding |
| 19:35.07 | abrotman | thinks someone is making this too hard .. |
| 19:35.14 | teraflops | Mitzelflick: you have no sense, sorry. just run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. when a security fix is released youll get it (if your sources list is ok). |
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| 19:36.01 | greycat | Mitzelflick: OK, you see on the web page where "glibc" is underlined? Click on that. It takes you to https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=glibc |
| 19:36.06 | greycat | That shows you the binary package names. |
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| 19:37.19 | ironpillow | hi all, Whatâs the status on Linux Kernel version 4.3? Is there a reason it is not the default in the latest Debian ( 8.3) and if I am installing on a new machine, should I upgrade the kernel? |
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| 19:37.48 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 19:37.48 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting#s-updatestable |
| 19:37.58 | greycat | Debian 8 is a stable release. It doesn't get new packages. If you want a 4.3 kernel, install the one from jessie-backports. |
| 19:38.08 | r4fkramer | it was ok here, markybob, greycat, mtn and teraflops |
| 19:38.13 | r4fkramer | Thanks for help ! |
| 19:38.18 | teraflops | r4fkramer: np |
| 19:39.31 | ironpillow | So just to be clear, I am new to Debian, I should stick with the supplied kernel since it is the most tested and stable? |
| 19:39.47 | greycat | Unless you have a specific *reason* to change the kernel, yes. |
| 19:39.48 | markybob | ironpillow: unless you have a reason not to, yes |
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| 19:39.53 | teraflops | r4fkramer: btw youtube-dl exists, and now it even exists a ff/iceweasel addon for using external player with a bunch of internet sites |
| 19:40.11 | Mitzelflick | ok greycat |
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| 19:40.57 | r4fkramer | sorry teraflops, I was absent here. youtube-dl is a package ? |
| 19:41.06 | r4fkramer | apt-get install youtube-dl ? |
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| 19:41.12 | ironpillow | thanks! |
| 19:41.23 | amdp | hi is there any install log? when I installed exim something happened to postfix |
| 19:41.29 | markybob | ,v youtube-dl |
| 19:41.30 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2015.11.27.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2015.11.27.1-1.1; stretch: 2015.11.27.1-1.1 |
| 19:41.33 | Mitzelflick | teraflops: I am at work where there are 2 year old boxes with undocumented 3 tier java apps on them so full upgrade would most likely break something |
| 19:41.39 | Mitzelflick | at a hospital |
| 19:41.44 | Mitzelflick | where we cant get to it |
| 19:41.56 | teraflops | r4fkramer: yes |
| 19:42.12 | Mitzelflick | grey cat I see the version numbers but I wonder why they still show source.... |
| 19:42.45 | r4fkramer | great, It's being done an upgrade here, after I will install it. Oh,thanks judd ! |
| 19:42.48 | Mitzelflick | greycat I dont have to woryy about eglic as mentor sadi? |
| 19:43.05 | markybob | r4fkramer: judd is a bot. fyi. |
| 19:43.07 | r4fkramer | Thanks a lot, teraflops, for Great Support and Attention. Glad to see you here ! |
| 19:43.13 | teraflops | heh |
| 19:43.13 | greycat | The package name is libc6. In every release of Debian this millennium. You don't need to know ANYTHING else. |
| 19:43.17 | Mitzelflick | I basically did apt-get update -y && apt-get install libc6 |
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| 19:43.26 | teraflops | r4fkramer: yw sir |
| 19:43.48 | r4fkramer | oh, thanks for advice, markybob ! And for Great Support you give me always ! |
| 19:43.49 | Mitzelflick | that matches the wheezy (libs): 2.13-38+deb7u10 [security] for my debian 7 so I think im good |
| 19:43.53 | Mitzelflick | do I need reboot? |
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| 19:43.59 | markybob | Mitzelflick: you could've just done what the bot said. |
| 19:44.02 | markybob | Mitzelflick: yes |
| 19:44.14 | Mitzelflick | marky did you miss what I said above? |
| 19:44.16 | greycat | Even on wheezy the BINARY package is still named libc6, even though it was built from a source package named eglibc instead of a source package named glibc. |
| 19:44.40 | Mitzelflick | ok so same will work for debian8.3 wheezy |
| 19:44.42 | Mitzelflick | cool |
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| 19:44.45 | markybob | Mitzelflick: unfortunately no |
| 19:44.45 | greycat | 8.3 is jessie |
| 19:44.45 | mentor | Mitzelflick, As I say, there are not separate packages |
| 19:44.45 | Mitzelflick | so I need to reboot? |
| 19:44.54 | Mitzelflick | sorry brain fart |
| 19:44.56 | markybob | Mitzelflick: yes |
| 19:45.04 | Mitzelflick | 7 wheeezy 8jessie that what i meant |
| 19:45.06 | greycat | No, you don't need to reboot, but you may wish to restart any services that are not automatically restarted by the upgrade. |
| 19:45.26 | markybob | the DSA suggests restart. i do as well |
| 19:45.30 | Mitzelflick | ok |
| 19:45.51 | mentor | libc6 is used by basically every piece of software on the system |
| 19:45.56 | Mitzelflick | whew thanks guys I am nervous, and got a ansible happy boss who thinks ansible can replace me |
| 19:46.06 | Mitzelflick | when he barely knows linux |
| 19:46.25 | Mitzelflick | and think everything I do is easy and I make it hard and am massively imcompetent |
| 19:46.51 | Mitzelflick | the apache in question has shibboleth and mod security and 20 mod proxy ajp |
| 19:47.01 | r4fkramer | Have to go now, Great Community is Debian. Great and Unbeatable is this OS ! Bye All ! |
| 19:47.08 | Mitzelflick | hes like jus tport from wheezy httpd 2.2 to jessie 2.4 |
| 19:47.23 | Mitzelflick | ton of config changes hurting my brain |
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| 19:47.42 | TomTomTosch | Mitzelflick, #debian-offtopic for non-support |
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| 19:48.02 | greycat | Apache 2.4 is a fucking nightmare. |
| 19:48.17 | markybob | agreed |
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| 19:48.46 | FXpro | can someone help me out please |
| 19:48.55 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 19:48.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 19:49.57 | FXpro | I got an error installing a deb file from hard drive. dependency problem it looks like. |
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| 19:50.09 | FXpro | how do I resolve it please? |
| 19:50.19 | FXpro | its vivaldi web browser. |
| 19:50.32 | FXpro | pretty good browser so far on windows anyway. |
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| 19:50.54 | edoardo | FXpro: dpkg install [yourfile.deb] |
| 19:50.55 | greycat | FXpro: does the .deb that you downloaded actually match the version of Debian you're running? |
| 19:50.56 | edoardo | apt-get -f install |
| 19:51.20 | edoardo | If it doesn't work, post output |
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| 19:51.53 | FXpro | actually I was installing the file in ubuntu. it should work right? |
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| 19:52.05 | EagleRock | can't tell you |
| 19:52.06 | edoardo | Then use software-center |
| 19:52.11 | markybob | FXpro: we have no idea. we don't support ubuntu |
| 19:52.22 | EagleRock | !based on debian |
| 19:52.22 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 19:52.23 | jelly-home | FXpro: best ask in #ubuntu |
| 19:52.25 | FXpro | its not available in software center. I checked synaptics install too. |
| 19:52.36 | markybob | FXpro: you're in the wrong place |
| 19:52.43 | edoardo | FXpro: i mean, open the deb with software-center |
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| 19:55.56 | Mitzelflick | u agree? greycat? 2.4 is nightmare? Im not only crazy guy? |
| 19:56.03 | Mitzelflick | I feel so much better |
| 19:56.09 | markybob | Mitzelflick: no it's a pain in the ass |
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| 20:00.24 | GNU\colossus | well, it could be worse. |
| 20:00.39 | GNU\colossus | migrating from varnish3 o varnish4 sucked way more |
| 20:00.45 | GNU\colossus | to* |
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| 20:04.32 | penguin-keeper | quick question: if I install debian from live media (usb stick) on to a system that already has anoth linux distro on it, will the debian installer allow me to install along side the other OS on the same partition ? |
| 20:05.03 | markybob | penguin-keeper: same partition? no |
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| 20:05.32 | BinBasher | penguin-keeper: no, and if the partition is encrypted you cannot change its size. |
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| 20:05.47 | wewlad | hello, debs, how do I know my FQDN? |
| 20:05.55 | wewlad | hostname --fqdn shows just my hostname |
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| 20:06.49 | penguin-keeper | OK - TY. |
| 20:06.51 | greycat | wewlad: are you on a corporate LAN? A home LAN? Is it a hosted server? Do you own a domain name? |
| 20:07.15 | greycat | Does the system have a static or dynamic IP address? |
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| 20:07.20 | jhutchins | Mitzelflick: It would have been nice if someone wrote a conversion script that did the simple things like allow,deny |
| 20:07.21 | zykotick9 | penguin-keeper: also keep in mind, the live media does NOT support eufi systems |
| 20:07.29 | wewlad | greycat: a home LAN, I own my LAN PCs and my router |
| 20:07.32 | zykotick9 | s/eufi/uefi/ |
| 20:07.55 | Mitzelflick | or if they didnt change the config |
| 20:07.57 | greycat | If it's a home LAN you probably don't have any use for a domain name. |
| 20:08.07 | greycat | You're probably inside a NAT. |
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| 20:08.15 | Mitzelflick | greycat did anyone explain why they say glibc but you want to install libc6? |
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| 20:08.20 | greycat | Mitzelflick: *plonk* |
| 20:08.29 | Mitzelflick | debain really freaking me out why they not say that on the page |
| 20:08.29 | markybob | jesus |
| 20:08.36 | wewlad | greycat: yes I am, I have problems addressing debian machine from windows machines by it's hostname |
| 20:08.40 | Mitzelflick | I mean I got it |
| 20:08.45 | Mitzelflick | libc6 |
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| 20:08.52 | wewlad | even after I added a corresponding entry to my router's caching dns |
| 20:08.53 | Mitzelflick | but how if I didnt have this chat would I know that? |
| 20:08.54 | penguin-keeper | zykotick9: ext4 F/S only. Will try to shrink the existing w/ Gparted. Thank you. |
| 20:09.12 | greycat | If you want the Debian box to be a "server" within the home LAN, the first step is to make the DHCP server (probably your router) assign it the same IP every time. |
| 20:09.38 | greycat | Once you have an unchanging IP address, you can either put that in the hosts file on the Windows machines, or set up home DNS. The latter is a lot more involved. |
| 20:09.50 | devhen | or just dont use dhcp. assign it an ip outside the range that your router assigns via dhcp |
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| 20:10.48 | greycat | True, that may also work. |
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| 20:11.22 | greycat | (Or it might be about the same amount of work to restrict the DHCP server's range as it is to statically assign an IP to one MAC addr.) |
| 20:11.27 | wewlad | greycat: that's what I did |
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| 20:11.59 | wewlad | greycat: my router is dhcp-server for my lan + a caching dns (where I added entries for each lan pc) |
| 20:12.11 | wewlad | problem is - I can address my debian box by ip, but not by hostname |
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| 20:12.29 | greycat | Then teach the router's DNS thingy what your Debian box's hostname is. |
| 20:12.30 | jelly-home | Mitzelflick: you'd read the security announcement. |
| 20:12.59 | wewlad | I set up a sniffer and turned out my winpc sends queries by NBNS and LLMNR protocols, but not DNS |
| 20:13.12 | Mitzelflick | ok |
| 20:13.14 | Mitzelflick | i am |
| 20:13.17 | Mitzelflick | same question |
| 20:13.18 | wewlad | however, if I 'nslookup debianmachine' - i see the resolved address |
| 20:13.43 | Mitzelflick | https://www.debian.org/ --> https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3481 |
| 20:13.46 | greycat | ... if it's Windows proprietary networking crap, I'm out. I know nothing about this. |
| 20:13.52 | greycat | Maybe look into Samba and stuff. |
| 20:14.01 | wewlad | I can't make my windows PCs address debian PC by just hostname, it has something to do with FQDN |
| 20:14.11 | wewlad | I should set common domain for all the machines |
| 20:14.12 | Mitzelflick | jelly-home: where do you find libc6 as the name of the binary? |
| 20:14.21 | wewlad | but I can't figure out what's my current FQDN |
| 20:14.34 | wewlad | that's what I came here to ask how to do that |
| 20:14.44 | jelly-home | Mitzelflick: usually the advisory mail lists all the binary package names. |
| 20:14.48 | greycat | It has nothing to do with DNS domain names and everything to do with Windows networking nonsense. |
| 20:14.50 | wewlad | 'hostname --fqdn' shows just my hostname |
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| 20:15.09 | markybob | Mitzelflick: you've already been told. https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=glibc |
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| 20:15.18 | wewlad | greycat: that is correct, that's why I didn't ask anything about windows |
| 20:15.30 | wewlad | you asked why I need that - I said why |
| 20:15.37 | greycat | wewlad: you confirmed that nslookup *works*. So it's only the Windows stuff that isn't working. |
| 20:15.42 | EagleRock | wewlad: !samba |
| 20:15.46 | EagleRock | !samba |
| 20:15.46 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ http://samba.org/samba/docs/ http://wiki.samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>. |
| 20:15.49 | wewlad | no, no samba |
| 20:16.06 | wewlad | damn it, I need to know my current FQDN of a debian machine |
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| 20:16.11 | wewlad | and correct it if it's wrong |
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| 20:16.15 | wewlad | how do I do that? |
| 20:16.27 | wewlad | it has nothing to do with samba or windows, just debian |
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| 20:17.28 | pk64 | Hi, I am experiencing this exact issue I believe. The checksums don't match when I use pbuilder. I'm at a loss as to how to correct this. http://askubuntu.com/questions/189926/how-can-i-prevent-dpkg-buildpackage-from-modifying-the-modification-date-of-the |
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| 20:17.47 | EagleRock | wewlad: get current hostname: hostname --fqdn |
| 20:17.53 | EagleRock | if it's wrong, edit /etc/hosts |
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| 20:18.20 | markybob | EagleRock: i'm sure he doesn't have one. it's a home nat |
| 20:18.22 | wewlad | Eagleman: this echoes just my hostname, without higher-level domains |
| 20:18.23 | jelly-home | Mitzelflick: apt-cache showsrc glibc |
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| 20:18.43 | wewlad | EagleRock: ^ |
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| 20:18.53 | EagleRock | wewlad: then edit /etc/hosts |
| 20:19.10 | wewlad | so I just write in FQDN there next to my IP? |
| 20:19.22 | EagleRock | !hostname |
| 20:19.22 | dpkg | Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 20:19.52 | wewlad | thanks, reading it |
| 20:19.56 | greycat | He's asking how to make his Windows programs recognize his Debian system's hostname. |
| 20:20.09 | greycat | He already has DNS working, and said nslookup *worked*. |
| 20:20.09 | Lirion | you might also consider man hostnamectl for systemd systems |
| 20:20.15 | greycat | It's all the non-DNS Windows crap that isn't working. |
| 20:20.18 | markybob | which has nothing to do with FQDN |
| 20:20.28 | greycat | I tried to tell him that. |
| 20:20.33 | markybob | i know |
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| 20:20.57 | EagleRock | greycat: it depends on what he means by "recognize." I believe he needs to configure samba, but he doesn't want to look at that, so I'm answering the direct question, which is how to fix his FQDN |
| 20:20.58 | wewlad | greycat lies |
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| 20:21.14 | wewlad | I didn't ask how to make windows programs do anything |
| 20:21.43 | wewlad | I said I have a problems with them and all I need to make windows programs work the way I want is use debian box'es FQDN instead of just hostname |
| 20:21.45 | markybob | wewlad: he's also an op so calling him a liar probably isn't wise |
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| 20:22.18 | Lirion | calling somebody a liar when asking for help isn't extremely wise in any case |
| 20:22.42 | wewlad | markybob: that's nonsesne, even if he's an op (and I respect him, he helped me multiple times) - this time he twisted my words, I don't like it |
| 20:23.00 | greycat | 15:14 wewlad> I can't make my windows PCs address debian PC by just hostname |
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| 20:23.12 | emin | what is close shell? |
| 20:23.13 | greycat | 15:13 wewlad> however, if I 'nslookup debianmachine' - i see the resolved address |
| 20:23.15 | wewlad | greycat: that was an answer to 'why you need that' |
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| 20:25.06 | BinBasher | ,v spidermonkey |
| 20:25.07 | judd | No package named 'spidermonkey' was found in amd64. |
| 20:25.21 | teraflops | greycat: you could if you do e.g avahi |
| 20:25.32 | jelly-home | wewlad: windows have an equivalent of libc resolver's "search" domains, if you want to use short names of hosts. Ask in ##windows where to configure those. |
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| 20:25.48 | BinBasher | ,v spidermonkey-bin |
| 20:25.49 | judd | Package: spidermonkey-bin on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.9.1.16-20; squeeze-security: 1.9.1.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.8.1esr-2~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 24.8.1esr-2~deb7u1 |
| 20:26.08 | wewlad | jelly-home: I prefer to make things right, and as I see it - all I need is to set up domain network |
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| 20:26.19 | greycat | but you said nslookup worked |
| 20:26.26 | wewlad | it did |
| 20:26.28 | greycat | So you don't NEED a made-up domain name. |
| 20:26.35 | Lirion | judd: spidermonkey existed in wheezy, and it does in sid. look up the details on packages.debian.org |
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| 20:26.46 | BinBasher | so many packages not in jessie |
| 20:26.57 | wewlad | greycat: but ping hostname doesn't work |
| 20:27.00 | EagleRock | wewlad: so, if you ping your debian machine from windows, you do not get a result? |
| 20:27.17 | wewlad | EagleRock: yes, if I do so by hostname |
| 20:27.26 | Mitzelflick | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=glibc markybob where do you see libc6 on that page? |
| 20:27.31 | emin | programmer server? |
| 20:27.34 | wewlad | probably if I pinged by FQDN - it would work |
| 20:27.42 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 20:27.51 | greycat | Fine, GO AHEAD AND TEST THAT! |
| 20:27.53 | greycat | Jesus! |
| 20:28.00 | wewlad | I did |
| 20:28.07 | wewlad | that didn't help :( |
| 20:28.12 | greycat | Your FQDN on your home LAN is WHATEVER YOUR ROUTER THINKS IT IS. |
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| 20:28.19 | EagleRock | wewlad: so then what's the issue? you can ping the debian box from windows, right? |
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| 20:28.49 | Lirion | BinBasher same goes for wheezy, same will happen for stretch, ... depends on who maintains a package when, and a bit on the software development itself. it's never many, but it's never none either. |
| 20:29.06 | BinBasher | hmm |
| 20:29.10 | wewlad | EagleRock: I can do so if I ping by IP |
| 20:29.11 | BinBasher | ,v libmozjs185-1.0 |
| 20:29.13 | judd | Package: libmozjs185-1.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.8.5-1.0.0+dfsg-4; jessie: 1.8.5-1.0.0+dfsg-4.3; sid: 1.8.5-1.0.0+dfsg-4.5; stretch: 1.8.5-1.0.0+dfsg-4.5 |
| 20:29.21 | BinBasher | that should do it |
| 20:29.21 | teraflops | wewlad: for a simple out of the box hostname resolution in an LAN (automagically) just use avahi |
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| 20:29.25 | wewlad | EagleRock: or if I add an entry locally to the hosts file |
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| 20:29.46 | wewlad | teraflops: thanks! |
| 20:29.49 | teraflops | np |
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| 20:30.25 | wewlad | E: Unable to locate package avahi |
| 20:30.40 | teraflops | avahi-daemon in debian I guess |
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| 20:30.51 | teraflops | ,v avahi-daemon |
| 20:30.52 | judd | Package: avahi-daemon on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 0.6.27-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 0.6.27-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.6.31-2; jessie: 0.6.31-5; stretch: 0.6.32~rc+dfsg-1; sid: 0.6.32~rc+dfsg-1 |
| 20:31.04 | wewlad | is it preinstalled? |
| 20:31.11 | greycat | Not by default. |
| 20:31.15 | wewlad | oh, okay |
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| 20:31.46 | wewlad | debian.local |
| 20:31.48 | wewlad | lol |
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| 20:32.12 | BinBasher | or rather libmozjs185-dev |
| 20:32.12 | greycat | that's a pretty reasonable domain for a router to make up |
| 20:32.18 | Lirion | enter keys get a lot of love |
| 20:32.33 | wewlad | greycat: that's not what my router's name is |
| 20:32.46 | greycat | Then why did you type it in the channel? |
| 20:33.01 | wewlad | that's also not what I set with 'domainname %mydesireddomainname%' |
| 20:33.12 | wewlad | greycat: because that's what avahi returned |
| 20:33.26 | greycat | Isn't domainname an NIS command? |
| 20:33.39 | wewlad | and teraflops said it would resolve (I quote) 'AUTOMAGICALLY' |
| 20:33.41 | Lirion | it is. |
| 20:34.00 | wewlad | greycat: what is NIS? |
| 20:34.07 | jelly-home | !hostname |
| 20:34.07 | dpkg | Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 20:34.08 | greycat | You do NOT want to mess with NIS (and especially you do not want to change your NIS domain name if you already had one) if your GOAL is simple hostname lookups. |
| 20:34.13 | wewlad | Network Information Service |
| 20:34.36 | greycat | NIS, aka Yellow Pages (yp) is a distributed database used on Unix LANs since the 80s. |
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| 20:34.49 | greycat | DO NOT use NIS for hostnames. |
| 20:34.55 | teraflops | wewlad: since you know now the avahi bit some read/research/googling does not hurt :P as in installing bonjuour in windows machines |
| 20:35.21 | wewlad | okay |
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| 20:37.06 | bittin | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvn0GVyZhhA :( |
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| 20:40.01 | pk64 | Anyone that can help me with my pbuilder issue above? |
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| 20:41.15 | babilen | pk64: You might have more luck in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
| 20:42.20 | pk64 | that's an invite only channel babilen |
| 20:42.28 | babilen | Maybe on this network |
| 20:42.47 | babilen | But definitely not on the network I mentioned :) |
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| 20:43.34 | babilen | That being said: I typically use debuild or, more frequently, cowbuilder / git-pbuilder via gbp buildpackage which builds the .dsc outside |
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| 20:43.57 | pk64 | babilen: doh , lol sorry |
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| 20:44.05 | Filystyn | HELO |
| 20:44.18 | Filystyn | wanted to give chance to icecat |
| 20:44.20 | babilen | Filystyn: Please lay of the ALLCAPS |
| 20:44.27 | Filystyn | apt-get not helping |
| 20:44.30 | Filystyn | what to DO? |
| 20:44.44 | Filystyn | what is the package name |
| 20:44.49 | Filystyn | ANYONE?! |
| 20:45.11 | markybob | i fail to understand why there isn't a ban on him yet |
| 20:45.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell Filystyn -about search |
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| 20:45.26 | greycat | Filystyn: apt-cache search --names-only whatever |
| 20:45.29 | teraflops | Filystyn: because it's called icecast2? |
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| 20:46.12 | babilen | Filystyn: And *please*, try to be a bit friendlier and forthcoming with information. You are really putting some strain on the goodwill of this channel. |
| 20:46.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell Filystyn -about smart questions |
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| 20:47.17 | Filystyn | Actualy I am friendly there seem to be many missunderstandings usually that is all to it imho. |
| 20:47.40 | markybob | Filystyn: you're wrong. you always shout and you always demand now!! |
| 20:47.58 | babilen | "ANYONE?" definitely doesn't qualify as friendly and you typically shout and are rather demanding. |
| 20:48.01 | babilen | eh |
| 20:48.02 | markybob | Filystyn: you've been told countless times to stop |
| 20:48.03 | babilen | hehe |
| 20:48.13 | markybob | Filystyn: you simply don't listen |
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| 20:48.41 | babilen | I think this has been clear enough. Filystyn will surely pay more attention to this in the future. |
| 20:48.50 | markybob | ha. i doubt it |
| 20:49.06 | babilen | Let's move on |
| 20:49.09 | babilen | :) |
| 20:49.21 | teraflops | Filystyn: so what the actual question is? not that /apt-get not helping/ one |
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| 20:49.56 | Filystyn | i was trying to see if icecat is something different from ice weasel but |
| 20:50.03 | Filystyn | it seems it's hard to isntall it on debian |
| 20:50.11 | greycat | I think the question was "what is the package name for icecat" and I responded with "apt-cache search --names-only whatever" |
| 20:51.03 | babilen | I don't think that it has been packaged. But then I'm not even sure which "icecat" Filystyn refers to. |
| 20:51.04 | teraflops | Filystyn: you install icecast via apt-get install icecast2 |
| 20:51.28 | teraflops | Filystyn: it works well, ...once you configure it properly |
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| 20:51.29 | Lirion | he means this: https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
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| 20:51.44 | teraflops | ah icecat |
| 20:51.47 | teraflops | ^ |
| 20:51.57 | babilen | Evidence and previous comments seem to point at https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, but that is, as of now, still unsubstantiated |
| 20:52.04 | teraflops | is embarrased again |
| 20:52.05 | Lirion | :) |
| 20:52.31 | Filystyn | mm no packages |
| 20:52.35 | Lirion | no worries, by the amount of typos he initially could also have meant icecast. it's only by the later comparison to firefox that we know that |
| 20:53.03 | Filystyn | looks like the guys from apt sleeping again. |
| 20:53.15 | wewlad | <teraflops: wewlad: for a simple out of the box hostname resolution in an LAN (automagically) just use avahi> |
| 20:53.16 | wewlad | eh, it sees no common resources :/ |
| 20:53.27 | greycat | I'm sure icecat isn't packaged because we already have iceweasel. |
| 20:53.32 | Lirion | Filystyn why should they put yet another mozilla browser into the repositories? |
| 20:53.38 | teraflops | wewlad: wat, in plain english please |
| 20:53.43 | Lirion | is not sleeping defined by serving redundancy? |
| 20:53.43 | Filystyn | because i want to install it |
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| 20:54.00 | greycat | Since it's not packaged in Debian, you would have to get it from GNU. |
| 20:54.00 | Lirion | you can |
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| 20:54.09 | Filystyn | going this logic there should be only one system one program for every task |
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| 20:54.28 | teraflops | wewlad: regarding windows, I usually blame ms built-in firewall in the first place |
| 20:54.28 | Lirion | there are a multitude of browsers. i wouldn't go so far as to call them all redundant. |
| 20:54.38 | wewlad | teraflops: I read some articles about avahi and maybe I got things right, but... I installed it (along with avahi-utils) and it didn't ease up LAN resolution "automagically" |
| 20:54.40 | Filystyn | apt-get is very friendly with instalations i do not wnat to drop in dpkg hell |
| 20:54.46 | wewlad | teraflops: it's off |
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| 20:55.13 | markybob | Filystyn: dpkg wouldn't help you |
| 20:55.21 | Lirion | dpkg is only for packages. no package, no dpkg. find out how to install software through binary tarballs or sources, but I wouldn't recommend sources |
| 20:55.21 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Lirion |
| 20:55.21 | babilen | Filystyn: Also dpkg wouldn't help you. You can ask #gnu as to how to compile Icecat on Debian and install it. I'd recommend using stow to manage that installation. See <stow usage> for some pointers on that. |
| 20:55.31 | Lirion | yay! \o/ |
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| 20:55.55 | Filystyn | Ok |
| 20:56.00 | wewlad | teraflops: I also tried avahi-browse -all to see if that thing works, and all it showed is the debian machine |
| 20:56.08 | Filystyn | Thank you for help. |
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| 20:56.13 | Filystyn | I think this is all for now |
| 20:56.16 | zykotick9 | notes icecat binary runs fine from /opt on his jessie install... |
| 20:56.18 | Filystyn | God bless. |
| 20:56.22 | markybob | Filystyn: you don't even have to compile it. it's not hard. just download and extract http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/38.6.0/icecat-38.6.0.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2 |
| 20:56.59 | teraflops | wewlad: is there more linux machines? did you install bonjour in the windows machines? |
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| 20:57.24 | Lirion | also, 2nded, take a look at stow. that is a very worthy hint which proves its value after a while |
| 20:57.39 | wewlad | teraflops: no more linux machines, I thought I needed either bonjour on windows or avahi on linux for machines to see each other |
| 20:57.40 | teraflops | do you have a firewal in the machines? we are talking bout LAN right? |
| 20:57.46 | wewlad | okay, I probably got it wrong |
| 20:57.57 | wewlad | teraflops: no firewalls |
| 20:58.00 | teraflops | wewlad: no, you need bonjuor in windows machines |
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| 20:58.45 | ironpillow | I want to install xen 4.6 on debian which is only available on stretch. Anyone know whats the best way to do that? |
| 20:58.46 | teraflops | wewlad: you need avahi in linux machine and bonjour in windows machines |
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| 20:59.06 | babilen | ironpillow: stretch is Debian .. are you thinking of another release? |
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| 20:59.15 | wewlad | teraflops: okay, then screw this, thanks for help, but this is above my knowledge and abilities, I'll try to set up a common domain name everywhere - if it doesn't help - screw this, I'll have to use hosts and I need to reconfigure apache to work for IP too... |
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| 20:59.39 | teraflops | wewlad: well is just about istalling a coule of packages :S |
| 20:59.44 | teraflops | couple* |
| 20:59.49 | ironpillow | for Debian jesse when installing xen-linux-system the version of xen is 4.3. I need version 4.6 for some changes that were made |
| 20:59.59 | ironpillow | babilen: ^ |
| 21:00.29 | wewlad | teraflops: I'm not going to do this on each windows machine, that's insane |
| 21:00.29 | jhutchins | !tell ironpillow about ssb |
| 21:00.48 | teraflops | wewlad: how many machines? |
| 21:01.03 | wewlad | teraflops: 4 |
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| 21:01.11 | babilen | ironpillow: Jessie comes with 4.4, if you want 4.6 you would have to backport that package yourself or port those changes to 4.4 and compile those packages. Alternatively track stretch as default release (with unstable in there for security) or use a distribution that supports Xen 4.6 in a supported release. |
| 21:01.12 | wewlad | no, 7 |
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| 21:01.26 | wewlad | (forgot about the netbooks) |
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| 21:01.30 | teraflops | holly cow youlll end exhausted :P |
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| 21:01.45 | babilen | ironpillow: I wouldn't necessarily recommend tracking stretch on anything that resembles a production machine though |
| 21:01.54 | wewlad | it's also extra programs... |
| 21:01.58 | jhutchins | babilen: ssb? |
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| 21:02.06 | teraflops | wewlad: then setup a proper dns+dhcp server in the linux box, it's only done 1 time |
| 21:02.16 | greycat | ssb isn't always as s as it claims |
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| 21:02.25 | babilen | jhutchins: Not sure how involved backporting xen is, but sure .. |
| 21:02.25 | wewlad | if linux is so hostile towards windows in regards of communication - there's not much I can do about it |
| 21:02.42 | greycat | Linux isn't hostile. Windows is. Also you are pretty ignorant. |
| 21:02.42 | teraflops | wewlad: heh |
| 21:02.42 | jhutchins | wewlad: Just imagine what you'd do if you had to administer 900+ servers. |
| 21:02.43 | wewlad | teraflops: I have a dns+dhcp server on my mikrotik router |
| 21:02.49 | ironpillow | babilen: yeah, I was thinking the same. I might compile xen from source my self but then making sure it is integrated is tough |
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| 21:03.04 | teraflops | wewlad: then setup dddns too |
| 21:03.05 | greycat | So just use the name provided by your router's DNS, as I said half an hour ago. |
| 21:03.07 | teraflops | ddns* |
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| 21:03.20 | Lirion | !tell Lirion about ssb |
| 21:03.49 | babilen | ironpillow: You could compile the Debian packages in a jessie chroot (or try the <ssb> method, but I would personally create a formal backport with proper version numbers, debian/changelog entry, signed and built in a chroot) |
| 21:04.03 | babilen | Lirion: "/msg dpkg ssb" works too |
| 21:04.11 | teraflops | wewlad: the rough guys run ddns+dhcp server in their lans :P |
| 21:04.14 | Lirion | didn't know the name of the bot :) |
| 21:04.20 | babilen | Fair enough |
| 21:04.32 | jhutchins | babilen: The advantage of using !tell is that other people in the conversation know it's been done. |
| 21:04.42 | Lirion | what's the acronym standing for? |
| 21:04.44 | babilen | Not if you tell yourself |
| 21:04.51 | babilen | Lirion: "simple sid backport" |
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| 21:04.57 | Lirion | ah ok |
| 21:05.16 | Lirion | thanks. |
| 21:05.22 | babilen | ironpillow: How familiar are you with building Debian packages? |
| 21:05.27 | wewlad | greycat: I did what you've said about half an hour ago, it didn't help |
| 21:05.46 | teraflops | wewlad: ddns is what you want then, isnt it? |
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| 21:05.54 | wewlad | teraflops: dynamic dns? |
| 21:06.02 | ironpillow | babilen: only vaguely. any help is appreciated |
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| 21:06.18 | teraflops | yeah alongside the dhcp server |
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| 21:06.36 | wewlad | what does it do? |
| 21:06.42 | wewlad | sorry, not familiar much with that |
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| 21:07.22 | teraflops | it gives a hostname with the ip leases and you have name resolution all done dynamically |
| 21:07.22 | wewlad | I only know that I can use ddns to get a fqdn visible to the world, even if I have a 'grey' IP |
| 21:07.30 | babilen | ironpillow: Okay, that makes this a bit tricky. You can try the "ssb" method or get the source, edit debian/control and add yourself to Uploaders and then call "dch --bpo" to create a suitable changelog entry. If you are building on jessie then you could just use debuild (or even dpkg-buildpackage). |
| 21:07.34 | teraflops | wewlad: im talking about LAN |
| 21:07.39 | teraflops | not WAN |
| 21:07.48 | BinBasher | how do I run programs in i686 mode? |
| 21:07.56 | babilen | ironpillow: Naturally if you are not on jessie then you obviously have to build in a chroot and that's where it gets a little tricky :) |
| 21:08.15 | greycat | !tell BinBasher about multiarch |
| 21:08.48 | wewlad | teraflops: I should configure ddns on debian box, right? not on the router? |
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| 21:09.41 | greycat | wewlad: The goal is to get the router's DNS server to respond to queries from the Windows and Debian hosts on the LAN, giving your IP when asked your hostname, and vice versa. |
| 21:09.57 | greycat | You said nslookup WORKED, which implies that this was ALREADY THE CASE. |
| 21:10.14 | ironpillow | babilen: thanks, I am on jessie. It is mainly because of this fix in xen 4.6 that I need to install http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-07/msg00423.html |
| 21:11.35 | teraflops | wewlad: yeah you need to setup a dns server plus isc-dhcp server |
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| 21:11.36 | wewlad | greycat: sorry, I am dumb. How that would help me? |
| 21:12.27 | jhutchins | Running a server on live-standard for recovery. Something keeps ejecting the CD for some reason. |
| 21:12.35 | greycat | If "nslookup debbie" works from Windows, then the Window machine is already using a DNS nameserver (your router, presumably) that can map "debbie" with your router's default search domain to your IP address. |
| 21:12.40 | SpaceAce | is there a command line speedtest? |
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| 21:12.51 | wewlad | greycat: that part is clear |
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| 21:13.01 | wewlad | when I ping winPC>linPC - the ping doesn't generate a DNS query, so how setting up a ddns on linPC (did I get it right?) would help here? |
| 21:13.19 | greycat | What's your router's default search domain? |
| 21:13.36 | wewlad | google |
| 21:13.38 | wewlad | :D |
| 21:13.39 | MRme | If going from Jessie to Stretch generally a bad idea? Will it break my system? |
| 21:13.43 | wewlad | I don't know what you mean, sorry |
| 21:13.56 | greycat | If the Debian box is ALSO using the router's DHCP config, then just cat /etc/resolv.conf and find out. |
| 21:14.06 | babilen | MRme: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 21:14.12 | wewlad | resolve.conf contains nothing but the hostname |
| 21:14.13 | Filystyn | MRme Jessie works fine for me |
| 21:14.17 | greycat | BULL SHIT |
| 21:14.32 | wewlad | err |
| 21:14.33 | wewlad | wait |
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| 21:14.33 | EagleRock | !tell MRme about Testing |
| 21:14.34 | wewlad | wrong file |
| 21:14.36 | teraflops | heh |
| 21:14.50 | wewlad | greycat: 1st nameserver is my router |
| 21:14.51 | babilen | ironpillow: Sure, well .. there is not much I can add to what I said. I mean you could patch 4.4, but that is almost certainly more involved than building 4.6 |
| 21:14.58 | greycat | wewlad: what is the "search" line? |
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| 21:15.04 | MRme | Meaning, in apt... I will change "jessie" to "testing" |
| 21:15.06 | wewlad | 2nd and 3rd servers are my ISP's dns servers ips |
| 21:15.12 | MRme | Why not stretch? |
| 21:15.26 | MRme | Will it break my system? |
| 21:15.26 | greycat | wewlad: What else is in there besides "nameserver x.y.z.q" lines? |
| 21:15.33 | wewlad | greycat: nothing |
| 21:15.33 | babilen | MRme: Why don't you read the page I linked? |
| 21:15.39 | greycat | *boggle* |
| 21:15.40 | wewlad | just 3 lines starting with nameserver |
| 21:15.44 | MRme | Already did |
| 21:15.54 | greycat | Then how the fucking hell can nslookup work... |
| 21:16.00 | Filystyn | MRme you can manipulate that 'pin' number to or how is that called.. so you can slowly go deep into testing |
| 21:16.12 | wewlad | greycat: becaue I've configured my router so |
| 21:16.16 | babilen | MRme: And no, it won't break your system *if you know what you are doing*. It does, however, have the potential to put you in a position where you have no idea what to do and how to keep your system well maintained. |
| 21:16.23 | greycat | wewlad: ... configure it back? |
| 21:16.23 | EagleRock | MRme: also check https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
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| 21:16.33 | ironpillow | babilen: actually just figured out that is basically a call being done before a typedef is defined. Just moving the line fixes it. Might go that route |
| 21:16.41 | babilen | MRme: My general recommendation would be to stay on jessie and to install newer software from jessie-backports. |
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| 21:16.58 | MRme | So changing jessie to testing in apt then apt-get disupgrade |
| 21:17.00 | babilen | ironpillow: Which route would that be exactly? |
| 21:17.10 | Filystyn | MRme if you want to have newer versions debian is not for you |
| 21:17.11 | MRme | My system will have new software |
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| 21:17.21 | Filystyn | They told me recently that they care only about stable |
| 21:17.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell MRme -about tum |
| 21:17.33 | wewlad | greycat: that thing is called 'DNS Static', I manually added en entry of debian machine's name + address |
| 21:17.55 | greycat | wewlad: Sure, fine, but what *domain* is the router's internal DNS name server using for queries of the LAN hosts? |
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| 21:18.01 | wewlad | if I remove that - I think nslookup will fail (I didn't try) |
| 21:18.04 | greycat | wewlad: and why isn't that in your resolv.conf file? |
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| 21:18.32 | ironpillow | babilen: patching xen 4.4, that is the fix : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d4b277dc3f578e70a8b2 |
| 21:18.36 | greycat | wewlad: E.g. mine uses the search domain "Belkin". |
| 21:18.44 | EagleRock | MRme: why are you looking to move to stretch? |
| 21:18.47 | babilen | MRme: But seriously: Maintaining a testing/unstable mix is *work* and you'll have to be aware of the ramifications of your actions and ways to handle (partially) broken installs. I mean, feel free to tinker with it, burn yourself and learn .. but then do that. Read the articles on the Debian wiki that have been linked. Really. Read them. |
| 21:19.09 | MRme | I would like Gnome 2.18 |
| 21:19.11 | MRme | 3.18^ |
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| 21:19.32 | wewlad | greycat: hold on, I'm trying to find it out. My router uses some advanced (yet dicky) OS, |
| 21:19.40 | EagleRock | !tell MRme about moving target |
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| 21:19.57 | greycat | wewlad: if your router's DNS is this bad, you might have a much easier time scrapping it, and setting up DHCP + DNS on your Debian server instead. |
| 21:20.15 | EagleRock | wewlad: ^ |
| 21:20.19 | babilen | ironpillow: yeah, that's all fine and well, but I'm saying that patching xen is even trickier than just recompiling the packages. Mind you, not hard, but trickier. Read https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/modify.en.html (or the entirety of that guide) |
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| 21:20.29 | wewlad | greycat: my debian runs on a VM |
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| 21:20.50 | Filystyn | a virtual Debian;) |
| 21:20.53 | wewlad | my PC is almost always on, yet I don't feel like this is a better option |
| 21:20.55 | babilen | ironpillow: The fact that the patch itself is easy doesn't really factor into it |
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| 21:21.29 | ironpillow | babilen: right, that makes sense |
| 21:21.39 | Lirion | wewlad any machine can serve any network service, whether physical or virtual |
| 21:21.51 | babilen | ironpillow: What is this meant for? |
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| 21:22.36 | Lirion | replace "serve" by "provide" |
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| 21:23.20 | ironpillow | babilen: xen hypervisor ; some minios packages that I use rely on the patch |
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| 21:23.30 | babilen | ironpillow: Private usage? |
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| 21:24.42 | ironpillow | babilen: yes |
| 21:25.14 | babilen | I'd just recompile 4.6 in that case, install a backported kernel from jessie-backports and call it a day. |
| 21:25.32 | ironpillow | ok thanks |
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| 21:27.49 | wewlad | greycat: I guess it's ddns |
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| 21:28.33 | greycat | wewlad: DNS can't even function properly without a search domain. Every hostname would be a top level domain. |
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| 21:29.32 | wewlad | greycat: whois sites show my hostname as direct-n14_ext.cln.net |
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| 21:30.00 | greycat | That's useless. That's your Internet Service Provider's IP address being reverse-resolved on the outside. |
| 21:30.28 | wewlad | okay, what's the best solution? |
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| 21:30.36 | greycat | I gave several. |
| 21:30.47 | Lirion | somebody mentioned dns+dhcp. |
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| 21:31.06 | greycat | I'll add another one: buy a router that isn't such crap. |
| 21:31.08 | wewlad | but my router already has a dns+dhcp servers, what do I need to reconfigure there? |
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| 21:31.20 | wewlad | greycat: that router isn't crap, as far as I know |
| 21:31.27 | greycat | How the fuck would we know? Your router isn't even providing a default search domain to its DHCP clients. |
| 21:31.47 | wewlad | it provides ips of it's nameservers |
| 21:31.53 | wewlad | isn't that how every isp work? |
| 21:31.54 | greycat | ... |
| 21:31.58 | EagleRock | wow |
| 21:32.08 | greycat | titan:~$ head -2 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:32.08 | greycat | domain Belkin |
| 21:32.08 | greycat | search Belkin |
| 21:32.15 | Lirion | every device is only as good as its setup. a swiss army knife is a hell of a tool, but when configured to eat soup with it it's rather handicapped. |
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| 21:32.50 | wewlad | so all I need is to set up a better dns provider, right? |
| 21:33.14 | wewlad | or am I unable to do that if my ISP didn't provide me the search domain? |
| 21:33.27 | greycat | DDNS in your router is utterly useless if nobody can USE IT because it has no DOMAIN. |
| 21:33.30 | BinBasher | ,v chardet |
| 21:33.31 | judd | No package named 'chardet' was found in amd64. |
| 21:33.36 | EagleRock | wewlad: you're confusing external and internal networking |
| 21:33.39 | greycat | This has nothing to do with your ISP. This is entirely internal. |
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| 21:34.18 | wewlad | greycat: how a ddns on my LAN machine would be better than for setting up a ddns server? |
| 21:34.33 | Lirion | we can't further your understanding of networks without pictures. i know situations like these. ask somebody in the physical world. |
| 21:34.35 | greycat | You're the one who claimed your router has a DDNS service. |
| 21:35.05 | wewlad | it has dns server + static entries (which someone called 'caching dns') |
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| 21:35.13 | wewlad | I didn't say it has a ddns service |
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| 21:35.29 | greycat | When you configure your static DNS entries, do you have the option to give a hostname.domain or just a hostname? |
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| 21:35.48 | greycat | Also, is there an option to add a DEFAULT SEARCH DOMAIN to the resolv.conf file of the clients? |
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| 21:36.15 | wewlad | greycat: the interface gives me just 1 input field, I think I may write-in there whatever I like |
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| 21:38.20 | wewlad | greycat: I've enabled ddns on my routernow, how do I force the debian to re-get the new settings? |
| 21:38.22 | wewlad | or something |
| 21:38.36 | greycat | ifdown eth0; sleep 1; ifup eth0 |
| 21:38.43 | nevyn | Lirion: dammit. |
| 21:38.52 | wewlad | (turned out my router is actually crap, since I can use only it's manufacturer's DDNS server :( ) |
| 21:39.03 | nevyn | Lirion: I just spent 10 minutes searching for a real swiss army knife with a spoon attachment |
| 21:39.09 | Lirion | :D |
| 21:39.16 | EagleRock | wewlad: are you referring to ddns for external purposes or internal purposes? |
| 21:39.23 | EagleRock | again, I think you're confusing the two types of networks |
| 21:39.25 | greycat | He's confusing the two. |
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| 21:39.50 | wewlad | now I realize I'm confusing the two :D |
| 21:40.18 | greycat | I also think Windows is the real source of the problem here... if his router is not using a search domain, but just putting every static DNS entry at the ROOT of the DNS tree, and if windows "nslookup debbie" works but window "ping debbie" does not, then... it's a Windows failure. |
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| 21:40.34 | greycat | Maybe Windows's ping doesn't do DNS lookups unless there is a dot in argv[1]? I have no idea. |
| 21:42.15 | wewlad | new dhcp option: there are 4 fields: name, code, value, I guess it has something to do with the codes you've mentioned earlier |
| 21:42.38 | wewlad | name, code, value and raw value |
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| 21:44.55 | wewlad | okay, I've set up router to advertise a domain for LAN |
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| 21:45.13 | wewlad | the value I used is the one I made up |
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| 21:45.33 | wewlad | i've ifdowned and ifupped, resolv.conf remained the same |
| 21:46.09 | greycat | If it doesn't propagate the search domain to the Windows clients then it's not useful. |
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| 21:47.42 | wewlad | it has settings to propagate dns servers, domain and wins servers, can I use any of this to make win<>debian communication in LAN just smooth? |
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| 21:48.31 | wewlad | is always a hard case :/ |
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| 21:49.50 | greycat | http://superuser.com/questions/495759/why-is-ping-unable-to-resolve-a-name-when-nslookup-works-fine |
| 21:50.01 | greycat | Windows is hell. |
| 21:50.11 | Filystyn | wewlad what type of communication you need (asking just so since im here) |
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| 21:53.00 | wewlad | now nslookup on windows doesn't see debian |
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| 21:54.25 | greycat | Crap, he was gone. |
| 21:54.27 | greycat | http://superuser.com/questions/495759/why-is-ping-unable-to-resolve-a-name-when-nslookup-works-fine |
| 21:54.31 | greycat | Windows is hell. |
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| 22:01.22 | wewlad | greycat: okay, windows is hell, but I now set up my router to propagate a domain to it's clients, how to make debian hook onto it? |
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| 22:02.11 | greycat | Debian should get the router's search domain in a "search ____" line in resolv.conf. Then every unqualified hostname lookup you do (e.g. "host debbie") should get that search domain appended (e.g. "host debbie.awesomelan"). |
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| 22:03.19 | wewlad | crap, resolv.conf remained the same :/ |
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| 22:10.32 | sam2468 | hello there. Is there a method to compile wxwidgets 2.8 to a Debian Testing? A guide? I needed it for PgAdminIII since I have some problems with wxwidgets 3 |
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| 22:11.10 | musca | !ssb |
| 22:11.10 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 22:13.51 | themill | ,v pgadmin3 stretch |
| 22:13.52 | judd | Package: pgadmin3 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.22.0-1 |
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| 22:14.42 | wewlad | greycat: oh god, it finally works! |
| 22:14.46 | greycat | yay |
| 22:15.16 | wewlad | turns out when I used static binding of domain names, I should've used hostname.domain instead of just hostname |
| 22:15.27 | enoch85 | hey guys, what do you all think of Deepin 15? |
| 22:15.39 | wewlad | I'd rape developers of the firmware for not making it synonymous |
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| 22:20.40 | enoch85 | wewlad: what do you mean? |
| 22:20.49 | enoch85 | synonomys for what? |
| 22:21.12 | enoch85 | wewlad: sorry, not talking about the same thing here |
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| 22:21.42 | greycat | He configured static DNS entries in his router for "foo" but he meant "foo.mydomain". |
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| 22:24.00 | Mitzelflick | greycat u still hre? |
| 22:24.01 | Mitzelflick | woa |
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| 22:26.16 | Wheezy | Hello, where can I get a copy of Raspbian Wheezy? Not Raspbian Jessie. |
| 22:26.23 | greycat | Ask #raspbian |
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| 22:59.24 | jhamlin | Hi folks, I've got openjdk-7 installed on a fully updated Jessie system. Our IT guy did some kind of security scan and is telling me that ALL versions of java 1.7 are exploitable and that I have to go to 1.8. I see that the openjdk package had a security updated a while back; I think I should be okay. Thoughts? |
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| 23:00.39 | themill | jhamlin: ask for specific CVEs and compare them with security-tracker.debian.org |
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| 23:01.18 | themill | "some kind of security scan" often just means looking at the output of "java -version" which isn't useful |
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| 23:01.45 | themill | ,v openjdk-8-jre jessie-backports |
| 23:01.45 | jhamlin | themill: Good idea thanks. I think you're prob right and they just looked at the version. |
| 23:01.45 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u72-b15-1~bpo8+1 |
| 23:01.50 | themill | ^^ that's your other option |
| 23:02.20 | jhamlin | Ahh got it. Thanks |
| 23:02.56 | jelly | openjdk 6 and 7 still track and incorporate all the fixes from oracle's 6 and 7, they merely appear a couple days later |
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| 23:03.37 | _abc_ | Hello. Is this being dealt with? https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-02/msg00416.html |
| 23:04.03 | _abc_ | Also, as a stop gap, are there any scripts to implement the mentioned packet filtering in the firewall for Debian releases? |
| 23:04.06 | themill | _abc_: what makes you think it was not fixed days ago? |
| 23:05.10 | jelly | _abc_: you probably want to subscribe to debian-security-announce mailing list |
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| 23:05.26 | jhamlin | Thanks all. As usual, great answers in a matter of seconds! :) |
| 23:05.44 | _abc_ | Heh. Okay, thanks. Will look real soon. |
| 23:06.07 | jelly | !dsa |
| 23:06.07 | dpkg | [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ ; RSS feeds at http://www.debian.org/security/dsa (titles only) and http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long (summaries). Ask me about <dsa lookup DSA-nnnn> for information about the packages affected. See also <tracker of doom>, <debsecan>, <dsa team>. |
| 23:06.42 | _abc_ | Wow. I have work to do |
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| 23:10.57 | TehRabbitt | okay this is weird, I'm using the netboot disk. choose "Expert install". I get to partitioning and I only get options for XFS and btrfs. |
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| 23:11.01 | TehRabbitt | where is EXT4 :\ |
| 23:11.11 | TehRabbitt | I rebooted, tried again and I only got btrfs |
| 23:11.22 | TehRabbitt | tried a 3rd time, and got both XFS and Btrfs again |
| 23:11.28 | nkuttler | TehRabbitt: um. which installer image do you use? |
| 23:11.54 | TehRabbitt | nkuttler, one from about a month ago I belive. |
| 23:12.01 | TehRabbitt | still should be good though... |
| 23:12.31 | TehRabbitt | 20150422+deb8u2 |
| 23:12.33 | TehRabbitt | is the version |
| 23:12.46 | TehRabbitt | Debian 8 jessie Netboot image. |
| 23:13.18 | nkuttler | strange |
| 23:13.35 | nkuttler | TehRabbitt: try #debian-boot on oftc, maybe they have an idea |
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| 23:15.32 | Somelauw | I think the command set-x11-keymap is dangerous. It does become available only after a reboot and does not verify if the parameters are correct. |
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| 23:21.10 | TehRabbitt | nkuttler, alright |
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| 23:28.10 | TehRabbitt | http://imgur.com/16yhXih |
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| 23:28.15 | TehRabbitt | yeah after a reboot same thing. |
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| 23:31.46 | TehRabbitt | nkuttler, i'm out of ideas :/ |
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| 23:42.39 | digdilem | TehRabbitt, i encountered that recently. i think there's an active bug in the installer |
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| 23:42.59 | TehRabbitt | hm |
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| 23:43.55 | digdilem | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=780043 |
| 23:44.01 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/780043 in installation-reports (open): «installation-reports: installer only has support for XFS and FAT32/FAT16; EXT2/3/4 and BTRFS are missing»; severity: important; opened: 2015-03-08; last modified: 2016-01-29. |
| 23:44.02 | digdilem | if not that one, then something similar. |
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| 23:54.07 | zanshin | I'm trying to get wicd to work on jessie with i3. I'm connecting to a WPA2 (personal) access point. I've selected WPA 1/2 (Passphrase) from the encryption dropdown and verified the passphrase is correct. However I get a KeyError: dbus.String(u'bad_pass') result. I have the wpasupplicant package installed, and wext selected as the driver. I'm stuck. Any ideas? |
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| 23:55.51 | mtn | zanshin: maybe this will help? maybe wrong type of encryption? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=138818 |
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| 23:59.39 | zanshin | mtn: That link suggests the wicd is lying about the encryption to use. I tried WEP (Hex ...) and that produced the same error. |
