| 00:00.08 | mtn | zanshin: it does seem to be a common problem using wicd. lots of google hits |
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| 00:00.40 | mtn | zanshin: did you try all the other types of encryption, if more than two? |
| 00:00.47 | zanshin | Yeah. I'm new to Debian and i3. What are my other network manager choices? I picked wicd since it seemed distro agnostic |
| 00:01.07 | mtn | zanshin: network manager is the standard |
| 00:01.28 | zanshin | mtn: Will that work with i3? I though it was tied to Gnome or KDE? |
| 00:01.40 | mtn | zanshin: I am not sure, but don't know why not |
| 00:01.54 | mtn | zanshin: not tied to any de or wm, as far as I know |
| 00:01.58 | zanshin | I'll install it and see what happens |
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| 00:08.02 | ksx4system | what was name of that Debian branding package I always forget? |
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| 00:08.26 | themill | desktop-base? |
| 00:08.40 | ksx4system | thank you |
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| 00:13.32 | wewlad | how to cp so that files' owner:group would be retained? |
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| 00:16.09 | markybob | wewlad: man cp would tell you to use -p |
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| 00:17.49 | wewlad | I did use it before I asked, turns out it fails in some scenario |
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| 00:18.18 | markybob | wewlad: depends on the filesystem you're copying it to. fat32/ntfs don't support it, for example |
| 00:18.43 | wewlad | I did copy dir > dirbak without -p first, then again but with -p, then I checked owner and thought it doesn't work this way |
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| 00:19.00 | wewlad | turns out I had to remove the first copy first |
| 00:19.10 | wewlad | then repeat the cp with -p |
| 00:19.39 | wewlad | fs is ext4 |
| 00:19.45 | markybob | wewlad: if you already had your answer why'd you ask? |
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| 00:20.20 | wewlad | I realized after you replied |
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| 00:20.32 | wewlad | at first I thought I again misunderstood the man |
| 00:21.46 | zanshin | mtn: Network Manager solved my issue. Thank you. :) |
| 00:22.00 | mtn | zanshin: nice. you are welcome |
| 00:22.56 | c0fe | I have Debian 8 Cinnamon installed but can't seem to get auto login set for a user this is my lightdm.conf file: http://paste.debian.net/395449/ |
| 00:23.00 | c0fe | Can someone please help me? |
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| 00:25.17 | neurotech | Can someone please help me how to upgrade my kernel to 3.10.0? I'm not sure how to do this. |
| 00:25.43 | nkuttler | ,kernels |
| 00:25.44 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-trunk-686-pae (4.4.1-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-7~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
| 00:25.48 | markybob | c0fe: yeah. you have it commented out. |
| 00:26.04 | nkuttler | neurotech: doesn't look like there's a 3.10 packaged |
| 00:26.19 | nkuttler | neurotech: why that specific version anyway? |
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| 00:26.41 | markybob | c0fe: look at line 85. anyway, you need this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#Enabling_autologin |
| 00:26.45 | neurotech | I'm on jessie, trying to install docker. It gives me this error when trying to start the service: "Your Linux kernel version 2.6.32-042stab113.11 can be unstable running docker. Please upgrade your kernel to 3.10.0." |
| 00:27.05 | neurotech | I assume I could upgrade my kernel to > 3.10.0 and be fine? |
| 00:27.17 | themill | 2.6.32-042stab113.11 isn't a debian kernel |
| 00:27.50 | neurotech | Well now I'm extra-confused |
| 00:28.09 | themill | RHEL6 iirc |
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| 00:28.20 | themill | neurotech: is this on a cheapo VPS? |
| 00:28.28 | neurotech | Yes |
| 00:28.42 | nkuttler | neurotech: check your hoster's docs for kernel upgrades |
| 00:28.56 | themill | Looks like it's running something like openvz and you don't control the kernel |
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| 00:29.26 | neurotech | Hmm. I searched their KB for "kernel"... 0 results. |
| 00:29.32 | neurotech | I love computers! |
| 00:29.45 | nkuttler | time to get new hosting |
| 00:30.14 | neurotech | Yep, already looking elsewhere |
| 00:30.25 | zanshin | So why do I need to `sudo modprobe b43` after a restart to have the wlan0 interface appear? Running on a retina Macbook Pro with the b43 package. Is there a way to persist that modprobe? |
| 00:30.36 | markybob | neurotech: i recommend you look at linode |
| 00:31.00 | nkuttler | zanshin: man 5 modprobe.d |
| 00:31.19 | neurotech | I'm in Australia markybob |
| 00:31.30 | markybob | neurotech: doesn't matter |
| 00:31.42 | nkuttler | does linode hava a datacenter in .au? |
| 00:31.47 | neurotech | Sorry, I should have said "I need the VPS to be in Australia" |
| 00:31.54 | neurotech | https://www.linode.com/speedtest doesn't seem like it |
| 00:32.17 | nkuttler | i think aws is singapore or something, closest decent hoster i know about |
| 00:32.33 | nevyn | aws is sydney now |
| 00:32.35 | markybob | linode is in singapore |
| 00:32.37 | nkuttler | oh, nice |
| 00:33.15 | neurotech | All I want is a Australian-based VPS that can run docker |
| 00:33.29 | neurotech | I guess I could do EC2 using the sydney datacentre |
| 00:35.09 | zanshin | nkuttler: Thank you. |
| 00:35.29 | c0fe | markybob: ok followed the guide but still nothing |
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| 00:36.27 | markybob | c0fe: you restarted lightdm instead of just logging out? |
| 00:36.43 | c0fe | markybob: i restarted the whole machine |
| 00:36.46 | markybob | c0fe: pastebin your updated config |
| 00:36.59 | c0fe | sec |
| 00:37.25 | c0fe | markybob: http://paste.debian.net/395484/ |
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| 00:38.58 | markybob | c0fe: congratulations on having the most confussing config i've ever seen |
| 00:39.46 | markybob | c0fe: you have multiple entries for so many things. session-wrapper on line 66 and 108 and many others |
| 00:40.14 | c0fe | markybob: is there a blank template I can start working with again? |
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| 00:43.42 | c0fe | markybob: ok i wiped the whole thing out and just had those items in there but still nothing |
| 00:44.23 | markybob | c0fe: then i'm not sure. you could try #xfce |
| 00:45.01 | c0fe | markybob: but this is cinnamon install |
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| 00:59.37 | c0fe | I have another VM with Debian 8 Gnome how can I replace Nautilus with Nemo? |
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| 01:09.30 | a__ | If i want to use amdgpu, do i need to keep radeon installed? I get the idea theyre two parts of one whole but im a little fuzzy on how it works |
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| 01:11.00 | a__ | as in if i install the xserver package amdgpu, should i also have radeon installed |
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| 01:14.39 | MeatHammer | how do I tell jessie to start a program with a given cpu in a multithreaded system? |
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| 01:14.51 | TomTomTosch | a__, what version of debian are you on? |
| 01:16.29 | a__ | do you not want to catch the process after it starts and set it then MeatHammer ? |
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| 01:19.45 | rommel092079 | good day may I ask which is best, 15k rpm hdd or ssd ? |
| 01:19.51 | MeatHammer | SSD!! |
| 01:20.00 | MeatHammer | not even a discussion |
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| 01:20.09 | rommel092079 | even for 15k rpm ? |
| 01:20.15 | MeatHammer | a__: id like to set it from CLI or launcher? |
| 01:20.34 | markybob | rommel092079: SSD. unless you need more space and less speed. |
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| 01:20.56 | rommel092079 | thanks guys |
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| 01:28.10 | TomTomTosch | MeatHammer, you could use taskset for cpu pinning. you can use it to assign a cpu core bitmask to a process. |
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| 01:30.00 | trisimix | hey |
| 01:30.12 | trisimix | whys my computer doing this |
| 01:30.14 | trisimix | wait |
| 01:30.25 | trisimix | i think im in the wrong irc for this |
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| 01:30.37 | TomTomTosch | welcome to #debian |
| 01:30.39 | trisimix | nvm love you all |
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| 01:34.45 | mutante | exim4 on stretch, config is split into many files in conf.d. i wanted the old way back, with just a single exim4.conf. i ran dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, aswer all the questions, the last one is "should config be split", i say NO. after that i still have the conf.d snippets and just exim4.conf.template. shouldn't that have changed it? |
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| 01:35.21 | markybob | mutante: stretch support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
| 01:36.21 | mutante | markybob: oh right, yep sorry i'll go there |
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| 02:00.38 | rommel092079 | what brand of ssd would you recommend? have you heard of transcend brand? |
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| 02:01.18 | wewlad | is there any package to quickly solve the problem of exposing (to the WAN) a machine with a private IP? |
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| 02:01.25 | wewlad | like quick dynDNS |
| 02:01.41 | markybob | rommel092079: i like samsung. they have a 250GB for $75 |
| 02:01.56 | rommel092079 | is samsung reliable? |
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| 02:02.15 | markybob | rommel092079: sure. it's the SSD 750 EVO btw |
| 02:02.32 | wewlad | I'd recommend PRO |
| 02:03.09 | wewlad | EVO had issues with it's firmware. At least the 740 model. |
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| 02:05.20 | markybob | rommel092079: don't listen to him |
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| 02:06.06 | rommel092079 | i check out the samsung site for comparison though |
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| 02:07.06 | wewlad | http://www.extremetech.com/computing/199673-second-patch-for-ongoing-840-evo-ssd-performance-issues-being-prepped-by-samsung |
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| 02:07.57 | markybob | wewlad: please tell me what that has to do with 750 |
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| 02:08.11 | markybob | wewlad: stop the FUD if you don't know what you're talking about |
| 02:08.21 | wewlad | oops, 750 vs 850 |
| 02:08.52 | wewlad | I meant 840 evo has issues and I'd recommend 850 pro instead |
| 02:09.04 | wewlad | sorry |
| 02:09.26 | hexabyte | Installing Debian 8 (gnome 3) for the first time and its not seeing the WiFi interface. Sees the ethernet port just fine but the problem is we are all WiFi over here. Could it be bad install media or is this a common event ? |
| 02:09.58 | markybob | hexabyte: that's pretty normal. that's why there's the non-free firmware installer. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 02:10.50 | hexabyte | markybob: Thank you. Assume that media will do a vanilla install - just with non-free, yes ? |
| 02:11.01 | markybob | hexabyte: correct |
| 02:11.08 | hexabyte | Thanks again. |
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| 02:13.37 | wewlad | why can't I 'history | grep apt-get'? |
| 02:13.52 | wewlad | it says there's no such a file 'history' |
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| 02:14.12 | wewlad | but I want it to use history the command |
| 02:14.51 | a__ | works for me |
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| 02:15.46 | EagleRock | wewlad: in bash? |
| 02:15.48 | wewlad | a__: nvm I actually grep'ed for apt-get install without putting it into '' |
| 02:16.11 | EagleRock | wewlad: alternately search ~/.bash_history |
| 02:16.56 | wewlad | I need to configure my bash, if I'm using it... got used to tcsh on FBsd |
| 02:17.08 | hexabyte | markybob: apologies for vagueness, still learning the correct terminolgy - but that linked ^^ iso does not appear to be the live media install (w/non-free). I am trying to install from a USB stick. Am I missing an obvious step here ? |
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| 02:17.43 | markybob | hexabyte: it's not live but it is the normal netinst installer. do you want live with firmware? |
| 02:18.18 | markybob | hexabyte: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 02:18.18 | hexabyte | markybob: that would make life a lot easier - yes. |
| 02:19.10 | hexabyte | markybob: Perfect. Thank you sir.... |
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| 02:52.46 | Sicnus | Failed to start reboot.target: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1 <-- anyone ever seen that error? Just upgraded to testing. :/ |
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| 02:54.46 | SOUL_OF_R00T | if any can help i have a sound mixer connected to line-in of audio card, i already setup input in mixer to line in but no audio signal received |
| 02:54.50 | SOUL_OF_R00T | any can help |
| 02:54.51 | TomTomTosch | Sicnus, stretch support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
| 02:55.02 | TomTomTosch | ^ (c) markybob 2016, all rights reserved :P |
| 02:55.03 | Sicnus | TomTomTosch: k |
| 02:55.17 | markybob | TomTomTosch: heh :P |
| 02:59.44 | mutante | SOUL_OF_R00T: i remember having the same problem and then finding out the mixer levels were all down to 0 by default and i had to "aumix -v 100" to turn up the volume.. but long time ago |
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| 03:01.37 | SOUL_OF_R00T | very thanks mutante |
| 03:01.44 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i try it |
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| 03:05.42 | SOUL_OF_R00T | mutante, not solved |
| 03:05.57 | markybob | SOUL_OF_R00T: i assume you use pulseaudio? |
| 03:05.58 | SOUL_OF_R00T | the mixer appears ok, but no sound |
| 03:06.03 | SOUL_OF_R00T | yes |
| 03:06.08 | SOUL_OF_R00T | with pulse |
| 03:06.15 | SOUL_OF_R00T | other apps play |
| 03:06.16 | markybob | SOUL_OF_R00T: so have you tried pavucontrol? |
| 03:06.24 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ohh |
| 03:06.28 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i try it now |
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| 03:08.33 | SOUL_OF_R00T | markybob, yes pavucontrol not solve the trouble |
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| 03:10.29 | TomTomTosch | with alsamixer you can select the soudcard and check the levels. maybe you checked the wrong one? |
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| 03:12.27 | SOUL_OF_R00T | TomTomTosch, yes is the card 0 |
| 03:15.16 | TomTomTosch | could you try a different device? |
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| 03:16.29 | SOUL_OF_R00T | the system is saying playback mono with 0% |
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| 03:20.04 | SOUL_OF_R00T | now the amixer output is saying mono at 100% |
| 03:20.11 | SOUL_OF_R00T | but still no audio |
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| 03:21.02 | TomTomTosch | well, you want the input, not the output. |
| 03:21.18 | TomTomTosch | you select that with f4 in alsamixer. |
| 03:21.30 | SOUL_OF_R00T | yes the output appear alright |
| 03:21.45 | SOUL_OF_R00T | the input is not work |
| 03:22.09 | SOUL_OF_R00T | when i open audio properties on gnome no signal from input |
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| 03:23.59 | SOUL_OF_R00T | TomTomTosch, the strange is the system shows line in conected |
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| 03:26.24 | TomTomTosch | what kind of soundcard are you using? |
| 03:26.35 | SOUL_OF_R00T | onboard |
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| 03:27.00 | SOUL_OF_R00T | the same task works fine some days ago |
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| 03:27.55 | TomTomTosch | lspci -nn is your audio device listed? |
| 03:28.39 | SOUL_OF_R00T | 00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller [1022:780d] (rev 01) |
| 03:29.23 | dvs | ,pciid 1022:780d |
| 03:29.25 | judd | [1022:780d] is 'FCH Azalia Controller' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1022:780d and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 03:34.18 | SOUL_OF_R00T | the audio appear ok vlc mplayer browser allplays but no input from mic and line in |
| 03:34.23 | venkat_330 | When i boot windows , we are able to view windows boot window in both available displays (LVDS and HDMI). |
| 03:34.23 | venkat_330 | when the motherboard is booted with Linux debian 8// We are not able to view the boot screen in LVDS display .All displays are shown in HDMI. after boot completetion both screen (LVDS and HDMI ) works. Is it possible to show boot screen in both displays. |
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| 03:40.20 | TomTomTosch | SOUL_OF_R00T, does sudo alsactl init say anything interesting? |
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| 03:42.12 | mdim | how to check the charset used by GNOME applications? I'm asking because I use non-english characters and lately I've noticed that when people reply to my mail sent via Evolution I get weird character sequences instead of intended characters in my last name |
| 03:42.34 | TomTomTosch | SOUL_OF_R00T, otherwise you could try a different kernel. sry, i have no other ideas. maybe someone else. |
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| 03:42.50 | SOUL_OF_R00T | TomTomTosch, alsa is working fine all programs play with no trouble the problem is in input |
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| 03:43.30 | mdim | of course, GNOME being the default DE in Debian |
| 03:45.17 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i back in a moment, very thanks guys |
| 03:45.20 | TomTomTosch | SOUL_OF_R00T, alsa handles input as well. |
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| 03:45.50 | dvs | !blame GNOME |
| 03:45.51 | dpkg | blames diytto_znc and GNOME for all the evil in the world |
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| 05:45.35 | mooncheese | Hi, I seem to be unable to apt-get update today |
| 05:45.40 | mooncheese | Hit http://security.debian.org jessie/updates/main Translation-en |
| 05:45.41 | mooncheese | 100% [Waiting for headers]^C |
| 05:45.45 | mooncheese | it just hangs there |
| 05:46.01 | mooncheese | anyone else have this problem or is it just me? |
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| 05:48.01 | petn-randall | mooncheese: What error do you get after it times out? |
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| 05:50.03 | TomTomTosch | it hangs for me too. emdebian.org |
| 05:50.18 | mooncheese | there is no error, it just never sends any data |
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| 05:59.58 | petn-randall | mooncheese: It will timeout at some point. |
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| 06:07.08 | mooncheese | oh it does after a very long time. I see it is my local mirror not security. |
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| 06:13.07 | TomTomTosch | oh, ah. emdebian.org is down, that's why my update had problems. forgot i had it in crosstools.list. ah well, got me confused for a minute. |
| 06:13.27 | rawf | I installed a package (midori), 22 new packages were installed. |
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| 06:13.44 | rawf | Uninstalling midori with apt-get remove --auto-remove only removed midori. |
| 06:13.52 | rawf | subsequently using apt-get autoremove, 18 packages were removed. |
| 06:14.12 | rawf | how can I automatically completely uninstall a package? I'm very confused. |
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| 06:26.15 | grepper | should be apt-get --autoremove remove ... |
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| 06:47.43 | shibly | Is debian for kids? |
| 06:47.57 | markybob | shibly: sure |
| 06:48.13 | shibly | Only for kids? |
| 06:48.17 | calbasi | No |
| 06:48.30 | markybob | shibly: i remember you asking this over a week ago, btw |
| 06:48.40 | markybob | shibly: gets pretty old |
| 06:48.45 | calbasi | By the way, is there any desktop focused in children? |
| 06:48.58 | shibly | elementalyos? |
| 06:49.23 | mutante | calbasi: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/ maybe |
| 06:49.57 | shibly | markybob, What does get pretty old? |
| 06:50.18 | markybob | shibly: you asking the same thing over and over again |
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| 06:52.27 | nevyn | calbasi: there's debian-jr |
| 06:52.27 | TomTomTosch | there is a hannah montana linux if that's what you were looking for :P |
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| 06:52.48 | calbasi | Thanks mutante , It seems Debian Edu is build in KDE... |
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| 06:53.39 | calbasi | I have lots of packages from Debian Edu or Debian-jr... but I'm looking for a desktop (like KDE, Gnome) suitable for my sis years old daughter... |
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| 06:54.19 | calbasi | I mean, big buttons, hided complex options, child app launchers |
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| 07:51.35 | smackusrevival | i have discovered an orphaned debian package that i wish to take maintainership of and develop. i have no idea what the first step is to get this package? |
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| 07:54.35 | somiaj | smackusrevival: Have you ared the debian new matainers guide and have some idea how to package. Once you have a working package you then look for a sponser and #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net would have better info and may be able to help with packaging questions |
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| 07:55.55 | smackusrevival | ok so first step is to fix package up via source and then worry about that? think i am one step ahead of myself. |
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| 07:57.23 | somiaj | smackusrevival: you can probably work on both. But if it is orphanded I think the main thing is finding a sponsor to upload it (provided you have a package that meats policy) |
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| 08:00.45 | smackusrevival | somiaj: have not started on package yet. will have a poke around first. just was not sure of process. sorry, new to me. |
| 08:00.53 | smackusrevival | not software dev, but for debian. |
| 08:04.40 | babilen | smackusrevival: The process essentialy consists of getting the package into shape (fix bugs, package new versions, get packaging such as Standards-Version to the current level, ...) and then search for sponsors who are willing to upload it to Debian |
| 08:05.18 | babilen | It is generally a good idea to maintain a package as part of a team so you might want to check if a suitable team could be found |
| 08:05.55 | smackusrevival | ok thank you very much. i have have a poke around and see what package suits my interest. |
| 08:06.10 | babilen | dpkg: mentors |
| 08:06.11 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 08:06.18 | babilen | ^ might also be of interest |
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| 08:06.40 | somiaj | smackusrevival: the debian new matainers guide is a good read on packaging in general if you need some documationt to start with. |
| 08:06.58 | babilen | And the mentors website has some good pointers also |
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| 08:12.27 | Vladimirski | Can I use tcpdump to take out all message from/to specific host IP from an PCAP file? |
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| 08:16.00 | jeddi | Vladimirski: might be easier with wireshark. |
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| 08:29.07 | Vladimirski | well that's the thing, I want to send the file to another computer for wireshark inspection, but the file is to big so I want to cut it down |
| 08:29.08 | Vladimirski | jeddi: |
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| 08:34.54 | Vladimirski | found the answer =) |
| 08:35.19 | Vladimirski | just tcpdump -r input_file host IP -w output_file |
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| 08:39.09 | debian | oh thank god there is a debian irc |
| 08:40.36 | Guest4166 | Hey if I have a file on a debian 7 server I'm connected to, what's the easiest way to move that file to my windows desktop? I'm connected through putty if that matters |
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| 08:42.23 | Guest4166 | hello? |
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| 08:44.23 | Guest4166 | #general |
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| 08:48.44 | peterrooney | IIRC PuTTY has scp bundled with it. |
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| 08:50.48 | jeddi | Vladimirski: ah - cool - suspected there may have been a simple filter in tcpdump, but easier to manipulate in wireshark .. unless you've got network constraints :) |
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| 08:51.23 | Vladimirski | yep=) |
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| 08:51.55 | jeddi | Guest10872: scp (or pscp I think it's called on putty) is easiest. if you're going to do a bit of file-sharing, then set up a windows share (on windows) or samba (on debian) and have a common area you can reach from either platform. |
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| 09:03.31 | _jd | hey guys, is glibc vulnerability patched? |
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| 09:04.14 | towo^work | _jd, read the topic |
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| 09:05.23 | _jd | ta |
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| 09:12.48 | nkuttler | mmh. where did git-shell go in jessie.. |
| 09:13.36 | nkuttler | ah, git-sh |
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| 09:35.31 | moldy | i don't get the max. resolution that i expect from my hardware. any idea why? http://paste.debian.net/396413/ |
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| 09:36.30 | darxmurf | just tried now with 2 identical machines. Hardware is absolutely the same and the debian too as I cloned the disk and just changed ip and hostname |
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| 09:38.27 | darxmurf | they run debian stable with both Nvidia drivers |
| 09:38.43 | darxmurf | there is no way to run opengl stuffs over ssh |
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| 09:48.29 | jotauve | helllo! |
| 09:48.45 | jotauve | I don't know how is that many times my xorg turns at 100% cpu usage, some idea? |
| 09:49.04 | jotauve | I've ubuntu and a simple nvidia graphic card |
| 09:49.41 | at0m | jotauve: #ubuntu |
| 09:49.55 | jotauve | there nobodoy talk! :) |
| 09:50.03 | jotauve | I'm thinking to change to debian |
| 09:50.05 | at0m | be patient. this is irc |
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| 09:56.27 | dx486 | jotauve, try debian stable |
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| 09:57.23 | ravegen | (ravegen) I might acquire a ssd which is sata 3. Im not sure if the ssd will be recognize coz maybe my cpu is only sata2. How will i know that it will be compatible with my cpu. |
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| 10:03.54 | fireba11 | zerodrama: you usuylly want 4k blocks sind the physical HD probably uses 4k blocks too |
| 10:03.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell jotauve -about install debian |
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| 10:42.26 | cnygaard | I get failure during unattended installs on the d-i preseed/late_command string which is commands that you run in the installed system |
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| 10:43.04 | cnygaard | Is there a way to have several of those so that one can see which command that fails? |
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| 10:46.49 | cnygaard | Think I found a workaround |
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| 10:54.23 | MrJones | is mod_request for apache2 available on debian? |
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| 10:55.12 | MrJones | for some reason it seems to be a sort of core module thing, but a2mod says it can't find it |
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| 10:56.03 | themill | MrJones: yes, it's part of the default installation of apache2 |
| 10:56.10 | MrJones | why would a2mod not find it then? |
| 10:56.18 | themill | it's a2enmod not a2mod? |
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| 10:56.36 | MrJones | sorry, *a2enmod is what I meant |
| 10:56.47 | nkuttler | MrJones: a2enmod request |
| 10:57.09 | MrJones | nkuttler: oh lol, now it works <3 |
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| 10:58.27 | meth | Debian are you kidding me. Why i can't integrate some Debian DVDs in one installation media?! What if i don't have proper internet connection ? my install could take years to complete??!!! |
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| 11:02.29 | MrJones | why would apache2 complain about a missing mod_request when it's in mod-enabled? |
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| 11:06.29 | nkuttler | meth: um, what? |
| 11:06.49 | nkuttler | meth: sounds like you want a portable mirror? |
| 11:07.54 | nkuttler | !tell MrJones about errors |
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| 11:09.43 | meth | nkuttler: yeah something like that |
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| 11:10.38 | nkuttler | meth: there are various tools to do that, /msg dpkg mirror |
| 11:11.41 | nkuttler | meth: or you just get the full dvd set.. changing dvds from time to time isn't so bad |
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| 11:12.22 | meth | the last time i used a DVD reader was in 2005 |
| 11:12.33 | nkuttler | shrugs |
| 11:12.51 | nkuttler | you know you can install the dvd images on something else than dvds, right? |
| 11:13.09 | meth | yeah but how to merge them is my issue atm |
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| 11:13.58 | nkuttler | you could probably just mount bind the iso images from your hd |
| 11:15.05 | nkuttler | don't think merging is required, but i haven't tried this |
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| 11:16.41 | Stameni | 12:15 < Stameni> Hello, on Linux Debian is there a way to forword a file from command promt to icedowe new mail ? |
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| 11:19.03 | CaBa | Stameni: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Command_line_arguments_(Thunderbird) |
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| 11:19.31 | Stameni | CaBa: Thank You |
| 11:19.50 | CaBa | Stameni: guess what, it was the first thing that popped up when i googled "thunderbird new mail command line" |
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| 11:20.48 | jim | is there a config file that would show where grub2 was installed to (mbr, partition, which drive)? |
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| 11:21.41 | Stameni | :(. Whell, i thoght that that option probably doesnt exist anyway so didnt bother to google it it was easier to ask. My mistake CaBa |
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| 11:22.22 | Stameni | Not going to happen again |
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| 11:28.03 | digidog | I wonder there seemx to be no pbcopy command by default and no lib in the repos. is it part of another package ? |
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| 11:28.51 | themill | ,file pbcopy |
| 11:28.56 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 11:29.15 | digidog | Oh I see .. its an alias in some distros made with xclip ... |
| 11:29.30 | digidog | themill: http://jetpackweb.com/blog/2009/09/23/pbcopy-in-ubuntu-command-line-clipboard/ |
| 11:30.05 | digidog | themill: thank you for checking .... so I simply create the alias by myself, I would say |
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| 11:30.37 | digidog | themill: I mixed it with OS X , sry |
| 11:31.15 | digidog | ,file xclip |
| 11:31.19 | judd | Search for xclip in jessie/amd64: xclip: usr/bin/xclip; keyringer: usr/lib/keyringer/actions/xclip; zsh-common: usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/X/_xclip |
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| 11:31.58 | digidog | ,file xsel |
| 11:32.03 | judd | Search for xsel in jessie/amd64: xsel: usr/bin/xsel |
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| 11:32.16 | digidog | themill: thank you! |
| 11:32.21 | digidog | themill++ |
| 11:34.41 | themill | np |
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| 11:35.25 | dagerik | systemctl is not present after upgrading wheezy to jessie. why this |
| 11:36.32 | bezaban | ,v letsencrypt |
| 11:36.34 | judd | Package: letsencrypt on amd64 -- stretch: 0.4.0-1; sid: 0.4.0-1 |
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| 11:39.03 | jim | is there any way to know (other than trial and error, which is probably my next step) where grub got installed? |
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| 11:42.49 | ntz | jim: I use for that qemu-kvm .... just qemu-kvm -hda /dev/sda1 -m 256 -boot c |
| 11:43.22 | ntz | however yes, it's "trial and error" method but at least, you don't need to keep rebooting it |
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| 11:55.41 | avernos | how to make active an encrypted volume on the installer so it can be selected for use? |
| 11:58.12 | dagerik | I upgraded to jessie and rebooted. systemd is not installed. how |
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| 12:00.15 | teraflops | Go install it |
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| 12:07.28 | t4nk571 | good morning |
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| 12:08.17 | t4nk571 | anybody now abaout update xfce-4.10 to xfce4.12 in debian 8.3 |
| 12:08.25 | t4nk571 | thanks |
| 12:09.30 | evilman_work | dagerik: why do you think systemd isn't installed? run 'ls -lh `ps 1 --no-headers -o command`' |
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| 12:10.47 | evilman_work | dagerik: **ls -lh `ps -p 1 --no-headers -o command` |
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| 12:12.04 | gXen | (debian-python question) How can I set the environment variable 'PYTHONHASHSEED' to zero system wide (for every invocation of python)? |
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| 12:15.20 | thunderWilly | general question for using debian as a desktop. i use it for my server for a long time now. but i want to switch my main pc from win to linux. my main concern is that i want liek the newest programs not old stable stuff. i read that fedora is more cutting edge. so my question is if i somehow could/can run jessi with cutting edge sources somehow? |
| 12:17.19 | teraflops | thunderWilly: that makes no sense, jessie is stable, if you want cutting edge do not use debian or use testing/sid at your own risk, there are backports too but not all the packages are backported tough |
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| 12:18.37 | gXen | thunderWilly, ubuntu... |
| 12:18.48 | thunderWilly | teraflops i may need the latest versions of some tools like kdenlive. that is my cocncern that i cant do that with debian. |
| 12:18.58 | jeddi | thunderWilly: I've been running Debian unstable as my primary desktop (with KDE) since the late 1990's on both desktop and laptop machines. It's no big thing. |
| 12:18.59 | bezaban | thunderWilly: not really - that will likely break your debian installation. Consider a rolling release distribution if you want continuous updates. |
| 12:19.23 | thunderWilly | bezaban you mena like ubuntu? |
| 12:19.27 | teraflops | thunderWilly: sorry i just use debian stable, so im not aware of that things |
| 12:20.01 | jeddi | thunderWilly: just be aware that occassionally packaging (rather than the actual software) will break -- so you either suck that up, or you keep a VM or secondary machine that you do updates / upgrades on prior to doing your essential machines. but, mind, actual serious break-fix situations are rare. |
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| 12:20.37 | bezaban | thunderWilly: ubuntu isn't really a rolling release to my knowledge, but it is a release following debian with addons derived from testing(?). Arch is a rolling release I think, but I have not run one for years :) |
| 12:20.48 | jeddi | thunderWilly: but, of course, if you think that ubuntu (a debian derivative) or fedora (people still use that? ; ) can solve your problem better, than jump on those -- the delight of free software. |
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| 12:20.55 | teraflops | bezaban: rolling release != cutting edge |
| 12:21.01 | bezaban | teraflops: agreed |
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| 12:21.56 | thunderWilly | ok thanks for your statements, i will consider that, do some more research and test some stuff. i think i need to research the major differences in mods/rolling |
| 12:22.17 | bezaban | ubuntu does add some mire 'cutting edge' stuff, but it's hard to quantify |
| 12:22.19 | teraflops | thunderWilly: hey there're other distros as jeddi says. |
| 12:22.46 | thunderWilly | yes i know, distrowatch lists them all. |
| 12:22.51 | bezaban | main strengths of stable is stability and some would argue security from a more predictable set of packages |
| 12:22.55 | jeddi | thunderWilly: if you can specify (not necessarily to us - but to yourself, so you can check repos) what versions of what packages you need, it'll make it easier to work out a distribution that'll meet your needs. |
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| 12:23.36 | thunderWilly | thx |
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| 12:25.43 | gXen | thunderwilly, for desktop use, its totally unnecesary to have lts or stable stuff.. just try 'Sidux'... it has the latest stuff and is a rolling release + debian based |
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| 12:26.22 | at0m | and expect to be fixing stuff on your own |
| 12:26.27 | hexabyte | any "debsums" users in here at the moment ? |
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| 12:27.22 | teraflops | IMHO all those derivative things are just crap. |
| 12:27.24 | thunderWilly | "fixing on your own" sounds like PRO stuff. i dont consider myself a pro :D. i will keep that in mind |
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| 12:27.38 | gXen | if you wanna stick to debian, and not a debian-based distro, there is unstable debian (debian SID) |
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| 12:28.23 | teraflops | Use debian fedora archlinux gentoo or Exherbo :P |
| 12:28.25 | gXen | and unless you do funky stuff with your desktop, you wont be fixing much in sidux (or anything at all) |
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| 12:28.43 | at0m | thunderWilly: and there's a trade-off with stability if you use more recent versions. if you think you can fix the problems yourself, you can take more risky distro... |
| 12:29.16 | gXen | anyone uses python on a debian machine? I need to set 'PYTHONHASHSEED=0' system wide, and can't figure out how |
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| 12:34.28 | teraflops | gXen: /etc/profile? /etc/environment? |
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| 12:43.56 | zamba | only squeeze was vulnerable for CVE-2015-0235? |
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| 12:44.58 | rgr | gXen: try .profile |
| 12:45.33 | rgr | oh hang on. |
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| 12:47.20 | rgr | yeah that should be it. startup files are a mess imo but there you go... ;) Ill test that... |
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| 12:48.48 | themill | zamba: wheezy as well |
| 12:49.23 | zamba | how can i check if i'm patched? |
| 12:49.26 | zamba | do i need to reboot? |
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| 12:49.43 | at0m | no root needed for "lld --version" |
| 12:49.49 | at0m | *ldd |
| 12:49.56 | teraflops | zamba: apt-cache policy |
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| 12:50.31 | zamba | teraflops: what am i looking for? |
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| 12:51.55 | themill | zamba: that CVE was fixed over a year ago; there are other newer ones to worry about |
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| 12:52.54 | rgr | https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables |
| 12:53.20 | teraflops | zamba: so you don't know what you're looking for? Look if related package is installed from the security repo. Also check if that version is the one you want in security.debian.org |
| 12:53.26 | zamba | oh, i meant this: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-7547 |
| 12:53.28 | zamba | sorry |
| 12:53.51 | gXen | I set FOO=bar in /etc/environment as suggested above, and it works! thks |
| 12:54.02 | rgr | thats for all users. |
| 12:54.18 | gXen | yes, but thats fine for this case |
| 12:54.22 | rgr | you can also add to .bash_env and ensure thats sourced from .bash_profile. |
| 12:54.45 | rgr | its a bit spaghetti like... |
| 12:54.48 | gXen | the whole server is there just to run this one script |
| 12:55.03 | rgr | expecially when you start logging into sli and using startx later.... |
| 12:55.05 | rgr | cli |
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| 12:55.31 | gXen | nad that variable is just for cryptographic security reasons set by default to a different value than I want.. |
| 12:56.02 | teraflops | rgr: he said global variable |
| 12:56.11 | grawity | and what are the reasons you want to set it to this particular value? |
| 12:56.15 | teraflops | He/she |
| 12:56.45 | rgr | ah didnt see that |
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| 12:57.42 | gXen | hash(FOO) in python salts your FOO with a random value in each python invocation... but I need the output of this function to be consistent across different invocations |
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| 12:58.34 | grawity | for running tests, or because the program thought it could depend on that? |
| 12:59.13 | gXen | you mean why I want it to be consistent? |
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| 13:00.04 | grawity | yeah |
| 13:00.08 | gXen | or you mean why by default it is random? |
| 13:00.15 | grawity | no |
| 13:00.18 | Somelauw | I want to use st as a terminal emulator. This one needs to be compiled from source. How would you recommend adding this to the update-alternatives system? |
| 13:00.22 | grawity | I know roughtly why it's random by default |
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| 13:01.39 | gXen | I need it to be consistent bcs I need to compare large amount of key-values in a short time. these values are large (so they take up large storage space, and comparing large values is slower). hash() is by far the fastest hashing function in python... anything else slows the program down (by alot) |
| 13:01.58 | Somelauw | found it, it's install |
| 13:02.03 | Somelauw | --install |
| 13:03.10 | jeddi | gXen: if the whole server is there to run this one script - why not set the var within that one script? |
| 13:03.41 | gXen | it use multiprocessing in python, and spawns hundreds of different processes |
| 13:04.04 | nebg | hello everyone... i cannot see my video card nvidia anymore in lspci... |
| 13:04.13 | nebg | after a dist-upgrade of my debian |
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| 13:04.24 | jeddi | gXen: if they are child processes, they'll inherit the environment of the parent script? |
| 13:04.25 | nebg | indeed optirun doesn't work anymore... |
| 13:04.31 | nebg | any idea what could be ? |
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| 13:04.40 | nebg | even with lspciu i only see the integrated video card |
| 13:04.45 | gXen | jeddi: I dont know :) |
| 13:04.46 | jeddi | nebg: lspci shouldn't be occluded by software upgrades. |
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| 13:05.02 | jeddi | gXen: fairy nuff - if /etc/environment works - that's a good solution - easy to package / scm up. |
| 13:05.02 | nebg | jeddi, indeed... i cannot see anymore my video card |
| 13:05.10 | jeddi | nebg: are you ssh'ing in? |
| 13:05.16 | nebg | jeddi, no |
| 13:05.19 | nebg | i am not... |
| 13:05.28 | jeddi | nebg: what device are you running lspci on? |
| 13:05.54 | nebg | jeddi a laptop |
| 13:06.11 | nebg | jeddi this is my lspci ... look here http://paste.debian.net/396791/ |
| 13:06.26 | nebg | do you see any entry which is telling us that my video card still exist ? |
| 13:06.49 | jeddi | nebg: video output should include console. hence ssh question. do you have a 'before' lspci output dump too? any other changes other than dist-upgrade? (which dist to which dist) ? |
| 13:07.11 | jeddi | nebg: line 2 ? |
| 13:07.14 | nebg | jeddi, no no i don't have a before... |
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| 13:07.38 | nebg | jeddi line 2 is the intel integrated video card ? |
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| 13:07.51 | jeddi | nebg: what video card do you think you don't have visibility of now? |
| 13:07.57 | nebg | nvidia |
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| 13:08.41 | jeddi | nebg: inneressing. does 'nvidia-settings' find a card? (i'm assuming not, but worth a try) |
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| 13:09.00 | jeddi | nebg: lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 13:09.02 | nebg | ok i opened it and it tells me You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server. |
| 13:09.05 | jeddi | output to pastebin please |
| 13:09.17 | jeddi | yeah - dont' run nvidia-xconfig - at least not yet. |
| 13:09.20 | jeddi | last resort and all that. |
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| 13:09.37 | nebg | jeddi lsmod didn't find any nvidia |
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| 13:10.26 | towo^work | since lspci does not show a nvidia device, why should there be a kernel module for it loaded? |
| 13:10.44 | jeddi | nebg: are you (were you) running the nvidia binaries, or the nouveau stuff? |
| 13:11.07 | jeddi | towo^work: it shouldn't. but if it does, and lspci is not showing, that'd be interesting. |
| 13:11.10 | nebg | towo^work, it seems like my nvidia card is broken right ? |
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| 13:12.46 | nebg | jeddi from what i remember nvidia proprietary |
| 13:12.46 | jeddi | nebg: du -a /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep -i nvidia |
| 13:12.47 | nebg | stuff |
| 13:13.03 | jeddi | nebg: good ... i'm using nvidia proprietary too .. so we can compare notes more easily. |
| 13:13.22 | nebg | jeddi here you are http://paste.debian.net/396801/ |
| 13:13.28 | jeddi | nebg: the nouveau stuff is *nearly* there ... but i had issues with it a year ago during the last rebuild. |
| 13:14.08 | jeddi | nebg: (as root) modprobe nvidia |
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| 13:14.26 | jeddi | nebg: oh - hang on - your modules aren't there. |
| 13:14.47 | jeddi | nebg: scratch that - they match mine. wrong order :) |
| 13:15.28 | nebg | modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia_current': No such device |
| 13:15.53 | nebg | this is the first message of modprobe |
| 13:15.56 | jeddi | nebg: (as root) dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 13:15.56 | towo^work | absolute normal, because there is no nvidia device as lspci is showing |
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| 13:16.31 | nebg | towo^work, so what could be ? broken external nvidia card ? |
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| 13:16.38 | jeddi | towo^work: are you working on the assumption there's been a hardware change during the upgrade, or a coincidental breakage to the hardware? |
| 13:16.52 | jeddi | the latter is possible, certainly, but seems a bit coincidental. |
| 13:16.56 | towo^work | maybe the device is disabled in bios |
| 13:17.25 | jeddi | nebg: earlier question revisited - you did a dist-upgrade - did that involve any other changes - as towo^work suggests, for example, bios / uefi changes? |
| 13:17.29 | towo^work | as long lspci is not showing a nvidia device, you can do whatever you want with the modules, they will never loaded |
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| 13:20.33 | nebg | towo^work, could it be it turned off ? |
| 13:20.44 | nebg | is there a way to check if it's turned on or off or turn on ? |
| 13:20.49 | nebg | maybe some power saving mode... i don't know |
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| 13:21.02 | towo^work | nebg, do i seat in front of your hardware? |
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| 13:30.47 | kas | hi, I have a question concerning vm's on kvm and vlan tagging, anyone care to listen? |
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| 13:37.15 | babilen | kas: Just ask |
| 13:37.47 | nebg | kas, what is vlan tagging ? |
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| 13:38.28 | kas | nebg: :) |
| 13:38.56 | kas | I can either configure a bridge on physical device or the vlans but never both |
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| 13:39.31 | kas | or a bridge on a vlan but then I wont be able to communicate with the native vlan of the cisco switch |
| 13:39.34 | babilen | kas: There's also ##networking or #kvm -- but there really is little we can do without asking |
| 13:39.59 | kas | the native vlan is 1 but is untagged |
| 13:40.44 | jelly | kas: what's wrong with putting the physical iface in the bridge and setting up tagged vlans on top of it? |
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| 13:40.49 | kas | what i did now is create the enp2s0.1 and on that the bridge but then the host has no connection to the rest of the network |
| 13:41.06 | kas | I want to create vm on the bridges |
| 13:41.21 | kas | so it needs to be a bridge I guess? |
| 13:41.46 | jo34 | i accidentally purged network-manager. what do I do? I have no wlan* adapter, I do have an eth* adapter showing up, but it doesn't appear to be working with dhcp, as it has no ip address |
| 13:42.12 | jelly | ah, that makes sense |
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| 13:43.29 | kas | now I setup a brdige on enp2s0 and vlan on enp2s0 and brdiges on the vlans |
| 13:43.48 | kas | I can ping the network but nothing inside the vlans (with the vm) |
| 13:44.12 | RicardoF | Hi, where can I download Debian 7? I only found Debian 8, but I need the 7. |
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| 13:44.49 | kas | so I change the config to enp2s0.1 inside the first brdige (native vlan of the swicht) and do a restart but then the pc is unreachable but the vm work |
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| 13:46.55 | darxmurf | could somebody explain me why I could ssh -X to a remote machine and run openGL stuff from a wheezy client and after a dist-upgrade the same procedure returns errors ? |
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| 13:47.56 | darxmurf | huh |
| 13:48.38 | towo^work | whatever had worked, it was not opengl |
| 13:48.38 | jo34 | is there a way to... perhaps... install network manager from apt-get cache? hmm... or.... perhaps I need to mount a usb as if it were a CDROM? |
| 13:48.38 | darxmurf | yep or the local rendering engine |
| 13:48.38 | towo^work | ssh x forwards have never supported opengl rendering |
| 13:48.56 | darxmurf | at the moment I could bypass the issue with VirtualGL |
| 13:49.02 | jo34 | towo^work, what about ssh -Y? |
| 13:49.05 | darxmurf | same |
| 13:49.38 | darxmurf | I read shitloads of stuff about this ssh -X and some ppl say it's forwarding openGL and some other not |
| 13:49.41 | darxmurf | it's not clear |
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| 13:49.54 | darxmurf | and as it was working before... |
| 13:50.06 | darxmurf | but probably rendering the stuff on the client machine |
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| 13:50.42 | jo34 | perhaps it is to do with -Y. perhaps after dist-upgrade, the security flaw of enabling trusted-X11-forwarding by default was disabled? |
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| 13:55.00 | thunderWilly | quastion to fuse ntfs-3g users. have you ever had problems that a partition wasnt readably by windows after you wrote on it in a linux? i ask because i have a hdd that is read/written by both win/linux |
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| 13:55.55 | RicardoF | Just to register, I found the Debian 7 in http://ftp.cae.tntech.edu/debian-cd/ . |
| 13:59.12 | darxmurf | jo34: not, it's not a ForwardX11Trusted change |
| 13:59.20 | darxmurf | I tried with and without forcing the option |
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| 13:59.39 | grawity | thunderWilly: nah, the worst issue I've had personally was file permission mess |
| 13:59.45 | jo34 | darxmurf, ok. i have no further suggestions. |
| 14:00.02 | grawity | thunderWilly: but that's not a data loss issue or anything |
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| 14:01.11 | nebg | towo^work, i don't have anymore the file /proc/acpi/bbswitch is it normal ? |
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| 14:01.24 | karlpinc | darxmurf: Try using -v (or -vvv) with your ssh and see what it says. |
| 14:02.20 | towo^work | nebg, since the hardware is not present for the system, bbswitch would not make many sense, so yes, it's normal in this state i would say |
| 14:02.46 | nebg | towo^work, is there a way i could understand if the video card has been turned off in some way ? |
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| 14:03.02 | towo^work | nebg, it's your hardware |
| 14:03.20 | karlpinc | nebg: "lspci -nn" as root will give you the most information |
| 14:03.33 | towo^work | nebg, it's disabled in bios? or it is damaged |
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| 14:04.27 | nebg | towo^work, i didin't touch anything in bios |
| 14:04.45 | towo^work | nebg, i even not, so how should i know it? |
| 14:04.50 | karlpinc | nebg: (You can also look at your system logs and dmesg output.) |
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| 14:09.03 | darxmurf | karlpinc: nothing exciting with -vvv |
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| 14:09.40 | darxmurf | if I run glewinfo I got this error : http://paste.debian.net/396906/ |
| 14:09.50 | darxmurf | but if I run glewinfo -display :0 it works |
| 14:10.17 | darxmurf | same with glxgear except the fact that with -display :0 it's not displaying on my screen but probably on the plugged screen :-) |
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| 14:14.51 | dAnjou | hi, i'm a bit embarrassed that i have to bother you guys with this: i tried to install the jessie version of libncurses5 in a wheezy which of course failed because of dependencies |
| 14:15.08 | dAnjou | now i don't know how to get the original version back |
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| 14:15.49 | dAnjou | apt-get -f install wants to remove apt in the process which doesn't seem like a good idea |
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| 14:16.18 | wdouglass | with debootstrap, i'm using the --include argument to build an image with a given list of packages. is there a way for me to specify versions for those packages? |
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| 14:17.47 | Guest43084 | Hallo everyone. I'm running Debian 7.9 and since the last update my wine doesnt start anymore. I tried to reinstallit. When I install wine-bin:i386 it sais somthing about missing deps (libwine-bin:i386) but this should not be installed. if i install libwine there are even more and more missing deps and in the end nothing works. Can somebody help me? |
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| 14:23.05 | dAnjou | nevermind, i installed the wheezy debs using dpkg, all fine |
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| 14:29.10 | Iridos | dAnjou, uh... as you might have noticed this wasn't a good idea in the first place |
| 14:29.17 | Iridos | how did you try to install the jessie version? |
| 14:29.34 | dAnjou | got the DEB and installed it with dpkg -i |
| 14:29.40 | dAnjou | i know it wasn't a good idea |
| 14:29.52 | dAnjou | that's why i was so embarrassed;) |
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| 14:33.21 | Iridos | judd, versions libncurses5 |
| 14:33.22 | judd | Package: libncurses5 on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.7+20100313-5; wheezy: 5.9-10; jessie: 5.9+20140913-1+b1; sid: 6.0+20151024-2; stretch: 6.0+20151024-2 |
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| 14:35.43 | darxmurf | dAnjou: what if you run apt-get remove libncurses5 |
| 14:35.53 | darxmurf | then apt-get install libncurses5 |
| 14:35.56 | dAnjou | darxmurf: it's resolved now ;) |
| 14:36.08 | darxmurf | ah okay |
| 14:36.16 | dAnjou | "15:23:06 <dAnjou> nevermind, i installed the wheezy debs using dpkg, all fine" |
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| 14:37.19 | Iridos | darxmurf, you want to remove a library from which maybe 1/4th of the packages depend on? |
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| 14:40.28 | darxmurf | apt-get install --reinstall libncurses5 |
| 14:40.32 | darxmurf | ? |
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| 14:47.53 | pagu1 | is the glibc problem fixed in the latest release? |
| 14:48.08 | dAnjou | yes |
| 14:48.17 | pagu1 | thank you dAnjou |
| 14:48.28 | dAnjou | darxmurf: that didn't work because the dependencies were messed up |
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| 14:48.50 | dAnjou | it was in a weird in-between state |
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| 14:54.10 | darxmurf | sweet :) |
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| 15:08.47 | MeatHammer | anyone here familiar with isolating CPU's in grub to use with taskset? |
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| 15:12.00 | TomTomTosch | MeatHammer, you can just pass a mask to taskset and a pid. not sure what you want to do with grub. |
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| 15:24.09 | MeatHammer | TomTomTosch: I'm trying to use taskset to launch non multithreaded apps on a psecific processor as detailed here: http://xmodulo.com/run-program-process-specific-cpu-cores-linux.html |
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| 15:24.42 | MeatHammer | TomTomTosch: with the added benefit of the OS isolating cpus 4 and 8 for specific apps |
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| 15:25.25 | MeatHammer | TomTomTosch: I have this line waiting to be updated in grub, wondering if it looks legit: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet isolcpus=3,7" |
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| 15:26.01 | reactormonk | How do I ask dpkg about the file tree in a .deb package? |
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| 15:31.13 | ksk | reactormonk: I dont think there is a file tree in .deb packages. You can do an "dpkg -L $package" do view its contents (which files will get installed, not the scripts that will get executed during installation= |
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| 15:32.23 | TomTomTosch | MeatHammer, ah, got it. yes, it looks fine to me. |
| 15:33.15 | MeatHammer | TomTomTosch: ok ima give it a reboot and hope everything works out |
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| 15:33.57 | TomTomTosch | MeatHammer, I'll keep my fingers crossed :P |
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| 15:34.04 | reactormonk | ksk, dpkg --contents |
| 15:34.11 | MeatHammer | TomTomTosch: ill brb, but do you think you can help me figure out the <COREHEX> value that article mentions at the bottom? |
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| 15:34.39 | MeatHammer | sorry "taskset <COREMASK> <EXECUTABLE>" |
| 15:34.47 | MeatHammer | brb |
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| 15:38.44 | ecom | Where is the file in debian where you put "server name" "8.8.8.8". |
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| 15:39.36 | p0g0 | /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 15:39.46 | ecom | p0g0: thanks |
| 15:39.50 | ralpheeee | sorry for noob question....does debian testing use a diff kernel...and if so what version ..... |
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| 15:39.58 | nkuttler | ,kernels |
| 15:40.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-trunk-686-pae (4.4.1-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-7~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
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| 15:40.18 | p0g0 | ecom: you need "nameserver" in there, look for an example |
| 15:40.31 | ralpheeee | thxs judd ... |
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| 15:41.55 | p0g0 | ecom: also, you may be more interested in doing it right, so see /etc/network/interfaces and associated documentation. |
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| 15:42.43 | reactormonk | What's the home directory of a system account? |
| 15:43.00 | MeatHammer | TomTomTosch: ok, im trying to launch an app on specific processor, 3 or 7 (4 and 8 physically). I'm not sure what the coremask value is that I need. I blieve its a hex of the bitmask 00010001 ... but I'm not sure... |
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| 15:43.22 | TomTomTosch | MeatHammer, the coremask is just a bitmask in hex. so if you want to run the bin on core 3 and 7 you do 0x88 (0b10001000 == 0x88) |
| 15:43.34 | MeatHammer | TomTomTosch: you da man. ty |
| 15:43.57 | MeatHammer | TomTomTosch: what about just 3 or just 7? |
| 15:45.03 | TomTomTosch | MeatHammer, that's 0x8 or 0x80 then |
| 15:45.12 | MeatHammer | ok cool ty so much |
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| 15:45.52 | TomTomTosch | MeatHammer, np. just check it afterwards with taskset -cp. i might be a fraud :P |
| 15:46.10 | teraflops | reactormonk: cat /etc/passw |
| 15:47.52 | teraflops | passwd* |
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| 15:50.17 | MeatHammer | TomTomTosch: seems to work great. a tiny bit of load (<2%) still gets sent to #4 tho. not a huge deal. 8 is totally off and maxed when I run the app so perfect |
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| 15:51.37 | TomTomTosch | MeatHammer, hmm, that's strange. did you update grub after you changed the config? |
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| 15:58.59 | MrTrump | ok |
| 15:59.02 | MeatHammer | TomTomTosch: yeppers. 8 stays completely off until i taskset my app |
| 15:59.06 | MeatHammer | tho |
| 15:59.15 | MrTrump | So in general updating and rebooting should not down the apps I am running |
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| 15:59.27 | enoch | hi all: |
| 15:59.28 | MeatHammer | MrTrump, lol |
| 15:59.28 | enoch | sh: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US) |
| 15:59.34 | MrTrump | i wonder what they have legacy software wise that breaks when they do that |
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| 16:00.07 | TomTomTosch | MeatHammer, ah well, the scheduler moves in mysterious ways :D |
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| 16:00.54 | Axton | I wont to make a new conf file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d Does it matter what number I prefix my filename with? Cant find the meaning of these numbers anywhere.. |
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| 16:01.17 | Axton | want* |
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| 16:03.43 | reactormonk | Axton, that's the order they're loaded |
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| 16:08.51 | MrTrump | I think as company progresses......there should be more code saved.........and less repeating same binaries here n there and eating disk so much.... |
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| 16:09.14 | MrTrump | I want to understand how to use debian the way it is meant to be used.....how can I learn this? |
| 16:09.16 | hanshenrik_ | where is the debian ssh scrollback log file located? |
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| 16:09.36 | MrTrump | history > mylog |
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| 16:10.17 | Axton | reactormonk: Thx mate. ;-) |
| 16:11.05 | enoch | /bin/sh: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US) ... |
| 16:11.07 | enoch | how to fix? |
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| 16:16.21 | hanshenrik_ | its in the HISTFILE variable ^^ |
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| 16:17.48 | jelly | enoch: two questions: 0) which debian release is that 1) why do you have LC_ALL set 2) which command does that? |
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| 16:20.51 | enoch | jelly: i'm on 8.1. I don't have LC_ALL set |
| 16:21.05 | enoch | the command is from freepbx, im checking for it |
| 16:22.45 | unborn | guys what is the quickest way to see where my windows box is trying to connect ? via ethernet - I would like to see ip address and ports.. or hosts when I run some software... thanks |
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| 16:24.51 | TomTomTosch | unborn, wireshark |
| 16:25.23 | jelly | enoch: to add the missing 8-bit locale, you can run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and make sure the en_US.ISO-8859-1 locale is enabled |
| 16:25.41 | jelly | its short name is "en_US" |
| 16:25.48 | enoch | solved |
| 16:25.57 | enoch | thank you |
| 16:25.58 | unborn | TomTomTosch: lsoft -i? or netstat -n? |
| 16:26.11 | unborn | need something faster |
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| 16:28.35 | MeatHammer | TomTomTosch: in faireness, the scheduler was doing good on its own, im just particular :) |
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| 16:31.50 | tako | hello my computer freezes some times which log i can look ? |
| 16:32.18 | tako | i had to reboot from power button and i install debian today |
| 16:33.03 | tako | my mouse was moving but i cant click some where from computer or i cant command with keybord |
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| 16:46.04 | karlpinc | tako: Try going to a console vt and debugging from there. |
| 16:46.08 | karlpinc | !vt |
| 16:46.08 | dpkg | hmm... vt is Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>. |
| 16:46.16 | thebwt | Hey folks, I'm trying to wrap my brain-potato around debhelper (and dh-python to some extent), what's the best channel to ask questions? |
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| 16:46.38 | karlpinc | tako: I'd start with the X logs, /var/log/X* |
| 16:47.35 | karlpinc | tako: The output of "dmesg" would also be useful and could tell you if your keyboard is getting unplugged. |
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| 16:47.56 | karlpinc | tako: (And if your keyboard does not work at all, ssh in to your box to diagose the problem.) |
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| 16:48.51 | karlpinc | unborn: I'd use tcpdump directly. YMMV. |
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| 16:59.28 | awal1 | As I know & ampersand is used for run X process in background in indefinite duration, until killed or logout, so should I really add it (add &) at the end of xrdb ~/.Xdefaults , xset -dpms s off b off line since those commands are executed instantly? |
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| 17:01.09 | awal1 | I always add & at the end, but https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/openbox#autostart says that it's not really needed |
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| 17:02.07 | awal1 | sounds logical, but not really sure :) |
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| 17:03.05 | awal1 | Not openbox specific, but talking in general, for any autostart file, giving openbox as an example |
| 17:03.13 | awal1 | what do you think guys? |
| 17:03.14 | An_Ony_Moose | Is there any particular reason that debian doesn't ship binaries for https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc/open_firmware ? Or where should I be looking to find this sort of thing out? |
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| 17:06.02 | jelly | An_Ony_Moose: it's a known issue, noone just got to packaging it properly |
| 17:06.26 | jelly | can't look up the bug report right now |
| 17:06.57 | An_Ony_Moose | jelly: ah right, I see. Thanks! I'll check the bug tracker myself |
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| 17:17.30 | taruti | Is there currently a extra repository of KDE things somewhere? (krita is uninstallable on sid and want to avoid compiling from source)... |
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| 17:22.43 | Harha_ | How I could disable automatic screen sleep / lock after a certain amount of idle time in MATE? I tried to disable it from the settings menus of MATE but that did nothing... |
| 17:23.31 | simonlnu | better using the xorg tools. turn dpms off |
| 17:24.29 | Harha_ | Ah, I'll do that, thx. |
| 17:25.03 | simonlnu | NP |
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| 17:26.11 | meder | how can i downgrade libdrm from 2.4.58 to 2.4.56? i have g108m nvidia driver and my X crashes very often. ive tried the bumblebee nvidia appending of the DiscreteNvidia in the conf and that doesnt work. |
| 17:26.26 | meder | optirun glxgears gives me that drm issue |
| 17:26.33 | meder | i already have bumblebee. |
| 17:26.48 | simonlnu | taruti: running stable? |
| 17:27.09 | meder | on jessie stable here |
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| 17:28.22 | meder | X has been crashing every day multiple times a day for months now, can't find a solution :\ |
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| 17:29.08 | taruti | simonlnu: unfortunately not on this machine. |
| 17:29.09 | simonlnu | see BTS to see if there's an update to fix it? i don't know of a repo for getting "newer" stuff (excluding testing/unstable/etc.). dunno what the more update regulars would suggest. |
| 17:29.53 | taruti | testing has the same issue as sid with krita being not installable |
| 17:30.10 | simonlnu | ah ok. was about to suggest sid. |
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| 17:31.10 | markybob | taruti: testing/sid support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
| 17:31.13 | ralpheeee | i hope i dont get shot down...wanting to have "rolling" experience and at this stage my options are debian and arch...from the debain user perspective what would you consider the main adv |
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| 17:33.01 | simonlnu | software quality. AUR is generally good, but sometimes get some questionable -- not security, but build-wise -- s/w. not all the packages are updated and kept on top of. i was on arch for a good 8 months. |
| 17:33.59 | ralpheeee | simonlnu: thxs for your view.. |
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| 17:35.25 | eipp0inter | hello, how to turn on integrated webcam on laptop without having to press Fn+CAM keys on keyboard? |
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| 17:40.23 | bjuanico | Hi, im having a problem with apt-get/aptitude. I have a broken package i cannot fix, and i cannot install or remove anything. |
| 17:40.50 | bjuanico | post install script fails, and trying to remove it seems to fail too |
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| 17:43.27 | nkuttler | bjuanico: apt-cache policy <package> ? |
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| 17:44.29 | bjuanico | apt-cache policy hp-health |
| 17:44.29 | bjuanico | hp-health: |
| 17:44.30 | bjuanico | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.30 | bjuanico | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.30 | bjuanico | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.30 | bjuanico | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.30 | bjuanico | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.14 | bjuanico | apt-cache policy http://paste.debian.net/397319/ |
| 17:45.24 | nkuttler | bjuanico: please use a pastebin next time. that's not a debian package, you'll have to ask those who distribute it |
| 17:46.08 | bjuanico | i understand that, but how can my entire apt be broken because of a broken package |
| 17:46.16 | nkuttler | bjuanico: fwiw, you can try to fix the script yourself /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.postinst |
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| 17:46.49 | STJ0A | exit |
| 17:46.53 | nkuttler | bjuanico: a dirty workaround would to be to just exit 0 at the top... |
| 17:46.57 | bjuanico | yeah |
| 17:47.02 | bjuanico | thats what i was thinking of doing |
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| 17:58.42 | converge | I have this python scripts that uses PROTOCOL_SSLv3 module, does debian have it ? |
| 17:59.14 | converge | I tried import ssl |
| 17:59.23 | converge | ssl.PROTOCOL_SSLv3 |
| 17:59.40 | converge | and get this error 'module' object has no attribute 'PROTOCOL_SSLv3' |
| 18:00.56 | somiaj | converge: its there, but it is a python module I think, one second |
| 18:01.13 | somiaj | converge: python-openssl is probabaly what you need |
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| 18:01.22 | somiaj | (or python3-openssl if you are using python 3) |
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| 18:02.26 | asterismo_m | does anybody has stats on number of connections and load of tp_link wr1043nd? |
| 18:02.49 | converge | somiaj: thanks! |
| 18:02.56 | asterismo_m | i have sucessfully installed openwrt yesterday and so far so good |
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| 18:03.16 | somiaj | asterismo_m: I don't think this is the correct place for openwrt support. |
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| 18:03.18 | MrTrump | I have repgrammed her to be user friendly |
| 18:03.30 | asterismo_m | it has setup by default a max connections of 16536 or so |
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| 18:03.51 | asterismo_m | lol |
| 18:03.58 | yungud | sup? |
| 18:04.18 | asterismo_m | i'm on the phone, i thaugt i was talking in openwrt channel |
| 18:04.32 | asterismo_m | shamed |
| 18:04.47 | yungud | ah, ok |
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| 18:06.31 | asterismo_m | i cannor see a damn thing with the screen glare on the bus anyway |
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| 18:09.29 | ^v | meh. a package installed mesa and i want to switch back to proprietary, can i do that without having to stop x and re run the nvidia installer |
| 18:09.29 | ralpheeee | does the debian netinstall have gvfs ntfs-3g etc in the core system download.... |
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| 18:10.30 | somiaj | ^v: why are you using the nvidia installer? You should isntall the non-free driver from nvidia packages (Which are designed to live with mesa and would not cause such problems) |
| 18:10.32 | greycat | ntfs-3g is not part of the base install, but you can install it shortly afterward. gvfs... is also optional. |
| 18:11.10 | ralpheeee | greycat: ok thxs...so pretty much will have to build from scratch like arch... |
| 18:11.20 | greycat | No, just apt-get install ntfs-3g gvfs |
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| 18:12.28 | ^v | somiaj, i was having severe tearing, low framerates, etc with the nonfree packages |
| 18:12.29 | ralpheeee | greycat: sorry dont follow...once core is installed i have to build everything from scratch gnome-keyring gvfs etc |
| 18:12.51 | ^v | mosaics were what completely killed it for me |
| 18:13.01 | ralpheeee | jusy looking to install i3wm |
| 18:13.06 | greycat | No, once you install the "core" you can just issue the command: apt-get install ntfs-3f gvfs |
| 18:13.10 | ralpheeee | so no DE |
| 18:13.18 | greycat | And whatever other packages you want to install. |
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| 18:14.11 | somiaj | ^v: what nvidia card do you have? |
| 18:14.24 | ^v | GTX 750 |
| 18:14.45 | somiaj | ^v: if you use the nvidia-installer that is not supported here, and expect apt/dpkg to overwrite things as you install/upgrade stuff |
| 18:14.53 | somiaj | ^v: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 18:15.14 | ^v | jessie, just upgraded all my packages this morning |
| 18:15.18 | cra1g321 | the nvidia driver 340.96 in the jessie repo, works with a 750 |
| 18:15.39 | somiaj | ^v: the driver in jessie should work jsut fine (provided that isn't the 750M with optimus, that requires more work) |
| 18:15.44 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 18:15.45 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-1; sid/non-free: 352.79-3; experimental/non-free: 355.11-2 |
| 18:15.55 | somiaj | you can also get 352.79 from jessie-backports |
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| 18:16.18 | somiaj | I experience no issue with the nvidia packages from debian. I'm on a 780. |
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| 18:29.27 | ^v | So installing the package runs nvidia-installer --uninstall and its freezing |
| 18:29.38 | ^v | No iotop or CPU usage |
| 18:29.54 | ^v | Can't ctrl-c |
| 18:30.27 | ^v | Is it safe to ignore the uninstall? |
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| 18:31.34 | Ooze | I just did a bunch of updates and apparently one requires a reboot |
| 18:31.42 | Ooze | I'm about to kiss my 97 day uptime goodbye |
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| 18:31.46 | Ooze | :( |
| 18:32.33 | b0xii | Ooze: nonsense! just keep running it anyway! |
| 18:32.34 | simonlnu | better safe than uptime |
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| 18:35.54 | phale | My friend is doing his first debian installation. Can he use netinst if he has no network cable (only wifi)? |
| 18:36.45 | greycat | Depends on his wireless interface. You might need to use one of the custom "netinst-with-nonfree-firmware" images. |
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| 18:37.17 | phale | greycat, where can he find those? |
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| 18:38.00 | greycat | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 18:38.10 | phale | alright |
| 18:38.55 | phale | ok, I'll give him that now |
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| 18:51.41 | cornfeedhobo | does anyone know, off the top of their head, how to suppress the keyboard/language prompt when installing `xorg`? |
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| 18:51.52 | cornfeedhobo | (running in jessie) |
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| 18:54.30 | babilen | cornfeedhobo: Why would you want to? |
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| 18:59.45 | cornfeedhobo | to install it through a script |
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| 19:02.09 | cornfeedhobo | -y and -qq don't work, and all my googling leads to preseeding, which i am not doing |
| 19:02.23 | An_Ony_Moose | cornfeedhobo: https://snowulf.com/2008/12/04/truly-non-interactive-unattended-apt-get-install/ |
| 19:02.46 | SerajewelKS | cornfeedhobo: have you tried simply adding </dev/null |
| 19:02.59 | SerajewelKS | some utilities will detect if stdin is a TTY and skip interactive prompts if it is not |
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| 19:03.30 | cornfeedhobo | SerajewelKS: didn't think it would work. i could try that |
| 19:03.32 | cornfeedhobo | An_Ony_Moose: clicking .. |
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| 19:04.00 | cornfeedhobo | An_Ony_Moose: ++++ |
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| 19:05.46 | cornfeedhobo | that makes sense, because it for some reason chose "readline", which makes me think SerajewelKS's suggestion might also work. i'll probably try them both just for knowledge sake. thanks again, ya'll |
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| 19:19.34 | MrTrump | bleth bleth |
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| 19:21.17 | alkino | yo |
| 19:21.24 | alkino | is it ok to ask something about debootstrap here? |
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| 19:21.43 | SerajewelKS | yes |
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| 19:22.24 | alkino | with debootstrap 1.0.78 with jessie and amd64 I got "Err http://httpredir.debian.org jessie InRelease |
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| 19:23.31 | alkino | I try to find who try to download this file in "debootstrap" script and can't find it. |
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| 19:23.39 | alkino | I run debootstrap on archlinux |
| 19:24.01 | MrTrump | For threaded and hybrid servers (e.g. event or worker) MaxRequestWorkers restricts the total number of threads that will be available to serve clients. For hybrid MPMs the default value is 16 (ServerLimit) multiplied by the value of 25 (ThreadsPerChild). Therefore, to increase MaxRequestWorkers to a value that requires more than 16 processes, you must also raise ServerLimit. |
| 19:24.03 | SerajewelKS | what is the full error message? |
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| 19:25.20 | alkino | SerajewelKS: http://pastebin.com/7qq5sA7Y |
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| 19:26.10 | SerajewelKS | alkino: this seems like a DNS misconfiguration on your end. i can resolve that hostname successfully. |
| 19:26.48 | SerajewelKS | if you can't resolve httpredir.debian.org then your network isn't configured correctly |
| 19:26.51 | alkino | SerajewelKS: please try "http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/InRelease " |
| 19:27.10 | alkino | maybe there is no more InRelease in "france" |
| 19:27.14 | alkino | I 302 correctly |
| 19:27.23 | alkino | httpredir is not the problem |
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| 19:27.36 | SerajewelKS | it is, according to the error message |
| 19:27.56 | greycat | It seems to cause problems all the time, based on what we see in this channel. |
| 19:28.16 | greycat | I get the intent, but... the implementation seems to be a bit lacking. |
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| 19:28.42 | alkino | SerajewelKS: but it is not. |
| 19:29.06 | alkino | I lost lot of time, trying to find who was "getting" InRelease |
| 19:29.11 | alkino | can you help me with that? |
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| 19:29.30 | SerajewelKS | why don't you just try using a specific mirror |
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| 19:29.49 | alkino | SerajewelKS: ok. |
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| 19:30.20 | alkino | http://pastebin.com/G8FQ3AB5 <= only for information |
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| 19:36.52 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 19:36.56 | Azrael_- | i've got some old systems which i currently can't upgrade (squeeze). is there a way to secure them from the glibc-getaddrinfo-bug? |
| 19:37.09 | greycat | Is it not in squeeze-lts yet? |
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| 19:37.42 | Azrael_- | hmmm, k |
| 19:37.45 | greycat | checks... |
| 19:37.46 | Azrael_- | just read the topic |
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| 19:38.00 | Azrael_- | thought it was already eol |
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| 19:38.06 | greycat | !squeeze-lts |
| 19:38.06 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" continued until 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:38.27 | Azrael_- | thanks |
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| 19:38.51 | greycat | dpkg, squeeze-lts =~ s/continued/continues/ |
| 19:38.51 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 19:39.16 | ralpheeee | am searching debian wiki...must be blind cuz i cant find a guide how to create an android build environment...any pointers pls? |
| 19:39.28 | alkino | Hum, SerajewelKS, greycat I'm confused, the problem doesn't come from "deboostrap" but from "apt-get" after (it's something scripted) |
| 19:39.52 | greycat | Does the problem go away if you select a specific mirror instead of httpredir? |
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| 19:40.40 | alkino | greycat: no |
| 19:41.02 | greycat | And... yes, the recent glibc bug is fixed in a squeeze-lts update. |
| 19:41.15 | greycat | Or at least the changelog says so. |
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| 19:42.24 | babilen | I had problems with httredir in the last couple of days (lots of has sum mismatches and broken connections) |
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| 19:52.10 | Azrael_- | the libc-dependencies don't seem to be perferct for squeeze. they also require libc6-xen and install it, even if it isn't really needed |
| 19:52.21 | Azrael_- | but hey, better than nothing and thanks for the support :) |
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| 19:53.56 | Nikus | hello |
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| 19:54.57 | Nikus | Can i give write permissions to subfolders only? |
| 19:55.27 | alkino | Nikus: ?!? chmod -R +w $dir/* $user |
| 19:55.31 | alkino | smth like that? |
| 19:55.45 | greycat | Nikus: write permissions on what, to whom? |
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| 19:57.04 | Nikus | i tried chmod 777 to /media/usb0/Documents |
| 19:57.12 | greycat | 777 is almost always wrong! |
| 19:58.00 | rafalcpp | after upgrade debian 7 to debian 8, all sites from sites-enables stopped working |
| 19:58.13 | rafalcpp | and apache2 channel #httpd says they are not suppoting Debian |
| 19:58.26 | greycat | You have to completely redo the Apache configs when you upgrade to jessie. Apache 2.2 and 2.4 are extremely different. |
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| 19:58.50 | Nikus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:00.18 | rafalcpp | greycat: damn :{ |
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| 20:01.44 | rafalcpp | that sucks quite a lot |
| 20:02.19 | TomTomTo2 | rafalcpp, more info in the release notes. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat |
| 20:02.20 | greycat | The most important single thing... is EVERY virtual host config file in sites-enabled/ has to end in .conf now. SO FUCKING STUPID. |
| 20:02.20 | babilen | greycat: Well, it's not quite *that* bad .. |
| 20:02.28 | babilen | https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html summarises the differences |
| 20:02.50 | setra | hello, I build a package from sid for jessie and got quiet a lot of deb files out. do I have to install all of them. The package was llvm-toolchain-3.6 |
| 20:02.54 | rafalcpp | ok thanks |
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| 20:04.54 | TomTomTo2 | ,checkbackport llvm-toolchain-3.6 |
| 20:04.55 | judd | Backporting package llvm-toolchain-3.6 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 20:05.23 | TomTomTo2 | setra, should be no problem. |
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| 20:12.10 | setra | TomTomTo2, I got like 20 or more debs out of it, can I install them in one attempt? like if I were installing llvm3.5? |
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| 20:12.11 | setra | judd, yes it worked I got the debs out of it, but what was your point? |
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| 20:12.11 | TomTomTo2 | setra, ah, sry. i read your question wrong. never mind ;D |
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| 20:12.14 | Azrael_- | ouch, just found a lenny one. totally forgot this one. is there also option for this one? |
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| 20:12.14 | greycat | There's no lenny-lts as far as I know. |
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| 20:12.14 | greycat | Even the squeeze-lts is only supported for 2 more weeks. |
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| 20:12.48 | setra | anybody backported smth and experienced massive creation of debs? what to do then besides installing one by one. since I build all consolidated so consolidated install would be nice |
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| 20:13.20 | greycat | setra: just install the ones you want |
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| 20:13.49 | TomTomTo2 | some packages are virtual. they bundle a bunch of other packages. |
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| 20:13.57 | tharkun | I am trying to install texlive on a machine, but the recommended packages endup including X how can I install it without the recomended packages? |
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| 20:14.05 | markybob | i have a fresh install and i think i'm being really stupid and have a typo or something. trying to use clockworkmod tether because my only connection is via cell phone. http://paste.debian.net/397548/ |
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| 20:15.25 | markybob | Skaag: no |
| 20:15.29 | Skaag | I used that script years ago, to convert redhats and it was wonderful :) |
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| 20:17.04 | Miriam | hi |
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| 20:17.23 | Miriam | is there anyone ? |
| 20:17.28 | setra | can anybody put a count on a successful install of 6990 ati graphics card in jessie. |
| 20:17.38 | setra | Miriam, here is the mi |
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| 20:18.37 | towo` | setra, what's the problem? |
| 20:18.49 | towo` | setra, it's supported by radeon driver |
| 20:18.55 | Miriam | can you help me? I m booting on the emergency mode on jessie |
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| 20:19.16 | Miriam | http://imgur.com/a/G6YG1 there s what I get |
| 20:19.50 | tpanarch1st | hello, where do certs for vpn get put please? |
| 20:19.52 | setra | towo`, everytime I try to configure it with amdcccle my browsers acceleration fails just white. |
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| 20:20.09 | towo` | setra, then purge that crappy fglrx |
| 20:20.14 | towo` | it's not needed |
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| 20:20.46 | ralpheeee | is there a debian-newbie channel which can help me transition ? |
| 20:20.48 | towo` | Miriam, why you ask now here too? |
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| 20:21.04 | TomTomTo2 | markybob, did you compile the stuff in the node directory? |
| 20:21.05 | greycat | This is the Debian newbie channel. |
| 20:21.24 | setra | towo`, what to do then? |
| 20:21.31 | TomTomTo2 | markybob, also network manager supports usb tethering |
| 20:21.36 | towo` | using the free radeon driver |
| 20:21.47 | ralpheeee | greycat: ok cool thxs.... |
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| 20:22.44 | markybob | TomTomTo2: yes. it gets weirder. cat linux/adb also shows it's there. ./linux/adb says bash: ./linux/adb: No such file or directory |
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| 20:22.49 | markybob | TomTomTo2: i'm very confused. |
| 20:23.20 | greycat | markybob: that sounds like 32 vs 64 bit, or wrong shebang if it's a script, or CR-LF issues if it's a script |
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| 20:23.59 | markybob | greycat: hrm. |
| 20:24.01 | TomTomTo2 | markybob, also, are the paths relative? maybe cd into linux. |
| 20:24.17 | markybob | TomTomTo2: yeah i tried that. |
| 20:24.37 | Miriam | towo`: hope that I get a solution ! |
| 20:24.42 | greycat | is linux/adb a script or a compiled executable? |
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| 20:25.34 | markybob | greycat: it's compiled executable. |
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| 20:26.01 | greycat | what does "file linux/adb" say? |
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| 20:26.27 | markybob | greycat: linux/adb: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, not stripped |
| 20:26.36 | greycat | Are you on an amd64 or an i386 installation? |
| 20:26.53 | markybob | greycat: amd64 with multiarch i386 enabled |
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| 20:27.57 | ralpheeee | would it be safe to use ubuntu 14.04 instructions to setup an android build environment?..... https://source.android.com/source/initializing.html |
| 20:28.04 | nectur | can anyone help? |
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| 20:28.20 | greycat | markybob: well... it's consistent with what you would see if the multiarch is not set up. |
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| 20:28.51 | markybob | greycat: hrm. okay. i'll take another look. thanks |
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| 20:29.48 | greycat | Did you actually install the basic i386 libraries and such? |
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| 20:31.02 | markybob | greycat: i thought i did. but you're right, i did not. |
| 20:31.05 | markybob | greycat: thanks |
| 20:31.22 | TomTomTo2 | ralpheeee, no. you should for example not install ubuntu packages in debian. openjdk8 can be found in jessie-backports. |
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| 20:32.35 | ralpheeee | TomTomTo2: ok ..need to find a debian guide which i am having issues locating...:) |
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| 20:34.28 | spica | ralpheeee, have you tried this one? https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/ |
| 20:35.52 | TomTomTo2 | spica, wrong link? :D |
| 20:35.54 | ralpheeee | spica: awesome ...thxs buddy...great start...(nothing like bed time reading:) |
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| 20:36.14 | TomTomTo2 | spica, ah, nvm. i scrolled up :P |
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| 20:36.28 | spica | :) glad to help |
| 20:37.39 | rafalcpp_ | systemd gives me so much cancer |
| 20:37.48 | rafalcpp_ | why wan't journalctl -xn even wrap lines by default |
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| 20:39.02 | dsockwell | i mistakenly upgraded a wheezy system to systemd last week |
| 20:39.08 | dsockwell | it spent 3 minutes trying to start up my hard drive |
| 20:39.10 | dsockwell | whatever that means |
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| 20:39.39 | rafalcpp_ | someone should fund debian-man and undo all that autism of last years in time for debian 9 |
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| 20:41.20 | tpanarch1st | where do i put my client keys for my vpn access please? |
| 20:41.51 | tharkun | tpanarch1st: Depends of the type of daemon you are using. It is usually stated on the man page of it. |
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| 20:41.56 | rafalcpp_ | tpanarch1st: in e.g. /root/.ssh/authorized_keys - there you paste the id_rsa.pub or similar thing. then restart ssh |
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| 20:42.04 | rafalcpp_ | oh wait.nevermind I read VPS |
| 20:42.15 | tpanarch1st | yeah this isnt the ssh :) |
| 20:42.27 | dsockwell | what vpn suite is it |
| 20:42.29 | dsockwell | then |
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| 20:42.35 | tpanarch1st | openvpn and thank you :) |
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| 20:42.57 | tpanarch1st | so openvpn is on my router, im trying to install the cert/key created on my client laptop |
| 20:43.02 | dsockwell | i typically throw mine in /etc/openvpn but i set mine up a while ago and that might not be the smart thing to do |
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| 20:43.52 | dsockwell | debian has a package network-manager-openvpn |
| 20:43.54 | dsockwell | i wonder what that does |
| 20:44.01 | dsockwell | maybe it manages openvpn networks |
| 20:44.15 | tpanarch1st | sure dsockwell - i need to sftp them across first |
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| 20:45.06 | dsockwell | good lcuk |
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| 20:51.35 | ralpheeee | ok folks...just wanted to say thxs for all your help and patience...time to reboot and do a netinstall.... o/ |
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| 20:52.05 | TomTomTo2 | ralpheeee, good luck :P |
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| 20:53.00 | inpetto | anyone can tell me how to repair my terminal on my debian machine it gives me can't open terminal? |
| 20:53.07 | mdfkr | hello |
| 20:53.20 | mdfkr | anyone here? |
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| 20:53.34 | greycat | There are over 1600 nicks here. |
| 20:53.46 | mentor | !ask |
| 20:53.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:53.56 | TomTomTo2 | inpetto, if you give us more info maybe :P |
| 20:54.18 | TomTomTo2 | where does it tell you that? |
| 20:54.28 | inpetto | it gives something like input output erro |
| 20:54.29 | inpetto | r |
| 20:54.30 | inpetto | * |
| 20:54.38 | inpetto | when i open it |
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| 20:55.25 | TomTomTo2 | does not have a fertile imagination |
| 20:56.24 | TomTomTo2 | inpetto, what is "it"? |
| 20:56.44 | greycat | TomTomTo2: you are a braver soul than I. |
| 20:56.52 | EagleRock | greycat: lol |
| 20:57.37 | SmashingX | is it possible to redirect to a directory outside of the DocumentRoot? |
| 20:58.21 | TomTomTo2 | greycat, i'm unemployed since today. this is a good replacement. feels like my coworkers :P |
| 20:58.27 | mdfkr | i have a problem, i have a lenovo g580 laptop with intel core i3 2.3 ghz 8gb ram nvidia 610 m and i want to play dota 2 on it, i have deepin linux installed on this machine. which driver should i use? nouveau or nvidia proprietary? |
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| 20:58.50 | inpetto | it gives me this (can not open standard terminal window) Input/Output error) |
| 20:59.15 | greycat | Is "deepin" some perverted autocorrect of "debian"? |
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| 21:00.23 | mdfkr | deepin linux is a distro based on debian |
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| 21:00.45 | greycat | Then we can't support you. |
| 21:00.46 | EagleRock | !based on debian |
| 21:00.46 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 21:01.14 | EagleRock | that being said, proprietary drivers are probably the way to go, but you'd have to refer to deepin documentation on that |
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| 21:02.10 | TomTomTo2 | inpetto, still waiting to know what "it" is. |
| 21:02.28 | mdfkr | ok, i'm sorry |
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| 21:02.41 | inpetto | i am running from gdm3 and my terminal isnt working |
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| 21:03.29 | inpetto | which it* do you mean ;=P ? |
| 21:04.19 | Iridos | the it that tells you things |
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| 21:04.57 | dontknow | what software is the equal of bittorrent sync for gnu/linux |
| 21:05.03 | TomTomTo2 | scratches his head |
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| 21:05.58 | Azrael_- | is there a nice/easy way to protect old systems (which currently can't be upgraded) from the glibc-bug by adding some firewall-settings (iptables)? e.g. by filtering out too big dns-answers |
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| 21:07.04 | inpetto | uhm, i mean within debian stretch (gdm3) when i logon and logdon and after opening my terminal a window pops up and gives me the error : can not open standard terminal window) Input/Output error) |
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| 21:07.38 | greycat | inpetto: Stretch? Then go to #debian-next on the OFTC network. |
| 21:08.03 | inpetto | (invite only) |
| 21:08.13 | ompaul | inpetto: you were told OFTC network :) |
| 21:08.13 | EagleRock | !debian-next |
| 21:08.13 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:08.23 | ompaul | irc.debian.org and that channel |
| 21:08.42 | Iridos | that's a funny error, though |
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| 21:08.53 | ompaul | yeah cos I said org |
| 21:08.55 | ompaul | :) |
| 21:09.01 | ompaul | I'm wrong again |
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| 21:09.50 | inpetto | Ok,. Thnx |
| 21:09.54 | ompaul | Azrael_-: not known at this time - can you put a modern system as a firewall in front of it (for values of patched) |
| 21:10.06 | converge | somiaj: I installed python-openssl and it worked, I could import ssl and use ssl.PROTOCOL_SSLv3 , but now, it's not working again, and I didnt do any changes. some idea what could be wrong ? |
| 21:10.26 | ompaul | SSLv3 is a really bad idea |
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| 21:10.44 | ompaul | otoh using the protocol isn't so bad |
| 21:10.58 | converge | ompaul: its a 3rd part soft.. |
| 21:10.59 | Iridos | inpetto, that's pretty strange. you normally get Input/Output error on broken/corrupt disks... but that a window opens with that... also ... the only thing read from disk is the executable |
| 21:11.33 | inpetto | ok, |
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| 21:13.02 | ompaul | converge: apt-cache policy python please |
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| 21:13.57 | ompaul | suspects deprecation by python |
| 21:14.26 | ompaul | converge: are you going to run that command I gave you? |
| 21:14.36 | converge | sure, 1sec |
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| 21:14.55 | converge | ompaul: https://gist.github.com/joaop/9632eb0722e19c0d7018 |
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| 21:15.10 | ompaul | converge: just the line marked installed |
| 21:15.31 | converge | 2.7.9-1 |
| 21:15.48 | ompaul | yep converge, python deprecated that |
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| 21:16.03 | ompaul | yep converge ssl poodle bug there is no way to do that sanely |
| 21:16.17 | ompaul | any software that depends on it is flawed |
| 21:16.26 | ompaul | get newer software or get rid of it |
| 21:16.34 | ompaul | s/or/and/ |
| 21:16.36 | converge | now I see why the odoo guys ask people to use ubuntu 14.04 |
| 21:17.05 | ompaul | does it use badly broken unsecured software? |
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| 21:17.20 | converge | in the brazilian localization, yes |
| 21:17.37 | ompaul | ssl bugs have been massively undreported but you wouldn't want to bank on a machine that has that |
| 21:17.57 | ompaul | in fact you might not want to run soft2ware with bad settings as a server |
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| 21:18.02 | rafalcpp_ | hm can't install php for apache now in deb8 |
| 21:18.18 | ompaul | rafalcpp_: php5? |
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| 21:18.27 | ompaul | rafalcpp_: apt-cache search php |
| 21:18.34 | rafalcpp_ | libapache2-md-php --configure fails because php5 depends |
| 21:18.35 | converge | ompaul: its for a specific thing, sign some xml file to send to goverment |
| 21:18.46 | rafalcpp_ | on that, however libapache2-mod-php5 is not configure yet. what? |
| 21:18.46 | converge | trivial stuff |
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| 21:18.58 | ompaul | if signed with sslv3 that's nuts |
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| 21:19.04 | ompaul | it's not signed |
| 21:19.12 | ompaul | it's an invite to fraud |
| 21:20.22 | ompaul | converge: let's have a secret word it's ok there are only 1600+ nics in the channel I'm sure it will be safe level of badly broken |
| 21:20.27 | ompaul | converge: there has to be another way |
| 21:21.18 | ompaul | converge: I work with securing to some reasonable level a couple of low profile web servers which don't do anything important - but they are secure |
| 21:21.26 | ompaul | I've not had sslv3 for a couple of years |
| 21:22.20 | ompaul | converge: in October 2014 sslv3 became persona non grata on the internet |
| 21:22.34 | converge | I see |
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| 21:23.49 | converge | but I really need it working, and dont want to use ubuntu for it :/ |
| 21:23.59 | converge | next version they will propably fix it |
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| 21:24.37 | ompaul | converge: no, sslv3 is gone |
| 21:24.43 | ompaul | it is not coming back |
| 21:24.56 | ompaul | what are you trying to do? maybe I can find another way for you |
| 21:25.55 | converge | ompaul: Im using Odoo, and we have this brazilian localization, when we create an invoice, we have to sign it (a xml file) and send it to the goverment |
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| 21:26.18 | converge | Im using this localization, in a debian jessie |
| 21:26.45 | ompaul | converge: so you need to sign it |
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| 21:27.13 | ompaul | converge: have you got a reference page for it - where you should sign it? |
| 21:27.20 | ompaul | can we see what you need to do to sign it? |
| 21:27.29 | converge | yes, but Im a user of this system, have no idea how to do it, it's a phython modul |
| 21:27.33 | converge | module |
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| 21:27.47 | ompaul | converge: then speak to the administrator |
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| 21:28.52 | mutante | if this is a python script, then it's the python-requests package version. trying to use SSlv3 |
| 21:29.20 | mutante | converge: by any chance has python-requests been installed with pip instead of apt? |
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| 21:30.17 | mutante | i had that issue, pip cant be trusted to clean up after itself even you tell it to remove stuff, then the system still used the old python-requestf from pip which wanted to use SSLv3, manually deleting all the remannts and using the distro package fixed it |
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| 21:30.42 | converge | mutante: I think I did install requests using pip |
| 21:30.59 | ompaul | mutante: nice catch |
| 21:31.01 | mutante | converge: try deleting all of the pip remants of that |
| 21:31.05 | mutante | i had the very same thing |
| 21:32.01 | converge | mutante: just pip uninstall requests ? |
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| 21:33.44 | mutante | converge: no, pip sucks, it does not really remove it. manually find it and rm the stuff |
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| 21:33.54 | mutante | converge: then make really sure it uses python-requests from distro package |
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| 21:36.10 | Guest71510 | Can you run debian with 4gb of ram |
| 21:36.24 | greycat | yes |
| 21:36.35 | greycat | You can run jessie with 80 MB of RAM. In theory. |
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| 21:37.11 | pyxozjhi | no desktop - 128mb minimum, 512mb recommended |
| 21:37.23 | pyxozjhi | desktop - 256 minimum, 1gb recommended |
| 21:37.32 | greycat | For a desktop I would recommend WAY more than the minimum, because web browsers are unfuckingbelievable memory hogs. |
| 21:37.36 | r6ku | lowest I've tried is 256mb, works fine except for web browsing... |
| 21:38.01 | Guest71510 | witch browser uses the least ram |
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| 21:38.11 | EagleRock | I'm running debian on a netbook with 1GB of ram, which seems fine for basic browsing and whatnot, but I'm using a barebones window manager, so your mileage may vary |
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| 21:38.25 | pyxozjhi | Guest71510: w3m |
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| 21:38.35 | greycat | Guest71510: at this point the question is what you consider a "browser". |
| 21:38.47 | Guest71510 | firefox or chrome |
| 21:38.51 | greycat | A literal answer is probably netcat. |
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| 21:39.02 | dsockwell | 4G is plenty if all you're doing is browsing and not using other memory-hogging apps at the same time |
| 21:39.10 | dsockwell | you can use chrome |
| 21:39.14 | SerajewelKS | i'd say a browser probably at least needs some user-friendly mechanism to follow links, so i would exclude netcat |
| 21:39.23 | SerajewelKS | and a mechanism to render HTML |
| 21:39.23 | greycat | Oh, between those two? Older firefox uses less because it's not each-tab-is-a-separate-process. But then it's also more fragile. |
| 21:39.27 | Seldon | r6ku: 256mb? what DE do you use? |
| 21:39.42 | greycat | Newer firefox and chrome both do each-tab-is-a-process so they use even MORE RAM! |
| 21:39.47 | r6ku | Seldon: back then I used lxde, I've long since recycled that computer |
| 21:39.49 | koollman | SerajewelKS: users are so needy. rendering! :) |
| 21:40.16 | SerajewelKS | it also depends what you want to do with the browser, probably. i can imagine some sites might render using more or less RAM on different browsers. |
| 21:40.16 | dsockwell | Guest71510: unless you're currently running short on RAM it's not worth trying to optimize RAM usage on your 4G system. It's plenty. |
| 21:40.24 | TomTomTo2 | greycat, chrome is close to a forkbomb :D |
| 21:40.29 | koollman | greycat: well, not if they do it right. spawning the same process many time does not use more ram |
| 21:40.51 | koollman | only the different data use ram. mostly just like in the single process case |
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| 21:41.46 | dsockwell | Guest71510: even if you did run out it might be better worth your time to buy an 8G module. |
| 21:42.15 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/397688/ <= useless numbers |
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| 21:42.28 | dsockwell | thank you greycat |
| 21:42.33 | greycat | Both of them have lots of tabs open. |
| 21:42.50 | Guest71510 | Is there anywhere you can still get ddr2 ram |
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| 21:43.25 | teraflops | Guest71510: yes many and cheap |
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| 21:44.19 | dsockwell | i thought so too but i'm not finding the 4G ddr2 sodimms for under $100 each |
| 21:44.46 | dsockwell | never mind i guess |
| 21:44.52 | TomTomTo2 | don't get them new :P |
| 21:45.08 | dsockwell | oh right |
| 21:45.18 | dsockwell | bad habits |
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| 21:45.30 | yskapell | Hi all |
| 21:45.57 | yskapell | I install apache and php but when I run http://localhost/index.php I get error 500 |
| 21:46.10 | yskapell | php are on mods-enabled |
| 21:46.15 | yskapell | any idea on this? |
| 21:46.25 | greycat | look for errors in /var/log/apache2/whatever |
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| 21:47.24 | converge | mutante: I did remove requests and installed it with apt, but SSLv3 still doesnt work |
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| 21:47.59 | mutante | converge: the expected change is that it stops using SSLv3 and uses TLS instead |
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| 21:48.03 | ompaul | http://disablessl3.com/ |
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| 21:48.27 | ompaul | and now you should drop TLS 1.0 and only use 1.1 or better yet 1.2 |
| 21:49.05 | mutante | converge: if you do "dpkg -L python-requests" ,double check that path is what it's using and there are not other remnants |
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| 21:49.21 | asdflea | hello |
| 21:49.28 | yskapell | no errors |
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| 21:49.38 | Slimmy | hello |
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| 21:49.49 | asdflea | last night, my laptop froye while watching full screen youtube yet the video still ran |
| 21:50.07 | asdflea | was that X.org that crashed? |
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| 21:52.29 | Slimmy | Any idea how to troubleshoot this? http://pastebin.com/RNqiQHUs |
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| 21:54.00 | ompaul | Slimmy: maybe # in front of the cdrom lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:54.36 | ompaul | Slimmy: maybe only have each line you do use once |
| 21:55.17 | ompaul | Slimmy: also don't mix mutiple sources - you have a stable link in there and we have no idea what it drags in or kicks out |
| 21:55.48 | ompaul | for send-anywhere ... it's not a debian package |
| 21:55.57 | ompaul | !dontbreakdebian |
| 21:55.57 | dpkg | hmm... dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 21:57.45 | ACCA | kind of stuck with debian-installer. Is there a way to feed it with another preseed file? I mean to start network-console, then SCP a new preseed file, then somehow amend debconf database with a preseed file |
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| 21:58.40 | ACCA | some message board had a discussion on chaining preseed files, but it sounds like it's not there anymoe |
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| 21:59.48 | ACCA | tried to find #debian-boot IRC channel, it's not here anymore |
| 21:59.53 | ACCA | any tips, please? |
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| 22:00.27 | ompaul | !preseed |
| 22:00.27 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 22:00.34 | ompaul | ACCA: that is about it for help |
| 22:00.56 | ompaul | ACCA: /msg dpkg install guide <<<< for more data |
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| 22:02.32 | Walakea | i was once looking for anything to reduce power consumprion on my laptop and downloaded a package and ran some command (i found on a webpage, they specisifally said that it may cause some display issues) and i think (not sure if it was doing before) my display started slightly flickering on low brightness with some colors; i reinstalled Debian but issue remains, does anyone have any advice? |
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| 22:03.11 | Woovie | hello, I have an OVH dedicated server and I am looking for some direction regarding installing a generic kernel. I've found various instructions and posts but none of them are consistent with exactly what is needed. Is there a guide for kernel installation and switching to the new kernel perhaps that I've overlooked? |
| 22:03.17 | ACCA | ompaul: thanks, I completely forgot about debconf-set-selections |
| 22:03.44 | Walakea | i think it has to do with laptop-mode or lm-sensors |
| 22:04.33 | Slimmy | ompaul: Thanks. I don't get the former errors the first lines of the paste I sent. Isn't it partially dangerous or has drawbacks "disabling" this line of code? Plus, I get more errors like this: http://pastebin.com/L9fvLwa6 . They aren't really important, nor they affect my installations or such, I just don't like having small problems laying around |
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| 22:12.40 | EagleRock | Slimmy: you have multiple sources configured for the same thing in your sources.list file. Also, having the cd-rom sources isn't going to be helpful after the initial install, which is why ompaul recommended removing it |
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| 22:15.15 | alphazulu | when i view manpages it uses more instead of less as the pager. how can this be switched? |
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| 22:16.22 | mpchlets | I just started using Debian:stretch - the gcc5 directory is rather large - anyway to reduce this footprint? Or why is this so much larger than previous gcc installs? |
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| 22:18.28 | TomTomTo2 | !debian-next |
| 22:18.28 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:20.03 | nkuttler | alphazulu: echo $PAGER ? type man ? |
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| 22:20.18 | alphazulu | nkuttler: did that. no go. |
| 22:20.40 | alphazulu | PAGER not set. so where does man get the setting from? |
| 22:20.42 | Woovie | So... "/dev/sda: DOS/MBR boot sector, extended partition table (last) |
| 22:20.42 | Woovie | " How would I switch to grub? |
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| 22:20.56 | nkuttler | alphazulu: no idea, but try to set it |
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| 22:21.39 | Woovie | This was previously a Windows box but I did a completely new installation of Debian which I would assume would switch to grub. (Or so I thought) |
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| 22:22.01 | alphazulu | nkuttler: ah i found it: its set in /etc/alternatives |
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| 22:22.35 | nkuttler | alphazulu: interesting, that's less for me, i think that's the default |
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| 22:23.16 | Slimmy | thanks EagleRock |
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| 22:24.27 | Ooze | Hello, I was just trying to do this so I could use symlinks via FTP: http://askubuntu.com/questions/33421/give-ftp-users-access-to-directories-outside-their-root-using-symlinks/33422 |
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| 22:24.46 | Ooze | So I issued this command, and now my /var/www/html is empty... |
| 22:24.47 | Ooze | sudo umount --bind /media/huron/backupLinux/uBackups/\[Current\]/ /var/www/html/ |
| 22:24.50 | Ooze | What have I done?? |
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| 22:25.25 | Ooze | actually |
| 22:25.31 | babilen | umount? |
| 22:25.40 | Ooze | sudo mount --bind /media/huron/backupLinux/uBackups/\[Current\]/ /var/www/html/ |
| 22:25.43 | Ooze | I tried umount afterward |
| 22:25.46 | Ooze | but that didn't work |
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| 22:26.33 | Ooze | if I sudo umount / and tab a couple times I see my /var/www/html |
| 22:26.36 | Ooze | Should I umount that? |
| 22:26.36 | babilen | So you bin mounted the (presumably empty) /media/huron/backupLinux/uBackups/\[Current\]/ to /var/www/html/ (check "mount" output) |
| 22:26.44 | Ooze | Correct |
| 22:26.50 | babilen | Do you want to unmount it? |
| 22:27.02 | Ooze | I want things back to how they were prior if possible |
| 22:27.16 | babilen | "umount /var/www/html" should do that |
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| 22:28.05 | Ooze | hmmm |
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| 22:28.56 | Ooze | so should I make an empty folder one deeper than html so this works the way I intended it? |
| 22:29.04 | Ooze | It's the end of the day and I'm pretty fuzzed rn |
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| 22:34.29 | Ooze | Oh so now I can save to /var/www/html and it'll actually be storing on /media/... |
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| 22:34.52 | Ooze | R-Right? |
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| 22:45.13 | minot | the tails installer got me thinking... Can I run debian on my laptop from a flash drive? Like create a netinstaller flash drive and use it to install Debian on another flash drive? Would I have to install grub for that? |
| 22:45.41 | minot | The laptop currently runs windows 10 and I'd like nothing to change on the hard disk if possible |
| 22:46.27 | themill | you can just use debian-live with persistent storage |
| 22:46.35 | mutante | minot: technically you dont need to put grub on the hard disk, just theat you have to go to BIOS and change boot order then, depending what OS you want to boot |
| 22:47.04 | minot | mutante, I think it tries to boot off of the usb drive when one is connected |
| 22:47.09 | minot | *first |
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| 22:47.22 | minot | themill, I can't figure out how to do debian live :( |
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| 22:48.31 | minot | I'll try again though http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-8.3.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso.torrent this image right? |
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| 22:49.16 | minot | oh there's one called standard |
| 22:49.49 | themill | istr the live images need cluebatting if you want to enable persistent storage on the same image |
| 22:49.50 | themill | !persistent live |
| 22:49.51 | dpkg | You can rework the iso-hybrid image that is used with Debian Live (from Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards) so that you can also use it as persistent storage with the live sessions. See http://syn.theti.ca/2013/06/22/tutorial-wheezy-live-iso-hybrid-with-persistence-on-usb/ |
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| 22:51.42 | julio | Hi! I had some files in my external drive. I mounted in MacOS and now I can't see these files at Debian 8 Jessie. When I ran the df -h command the return is 306GB available but df -h shows just 121Gb. I thought my files are hidden... |
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| 22:54.24 | jercos | julio: what filesystem is this drive formatted with? |
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| 23:01.18 | julio | jercos, NTFS. |
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| 23:02.18 | temprorary | hey guys how can I see it the collation of my database? |
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| 23:17.12 | [1]anaconda | hello everyone, i can't boot my via epia system due to grub2/via samuel2 cpu issue (on a freshly netinstalled debian stable) |
| 23:17.26 | [1]anaconda | i have found the fix here http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/grub.git/commit/?h=phcoder/c3&id=3e89a76fee8edfbeb3d069f7d2f04df7fa34ecc3 |
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| 23:17.38 | [1]anaconda | but I don't know how to apply these changes/diffs to the grub2 debian source package |
| 23:17.49 | [1]anaconda | could anyone please explain me what should I do? |
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| 23:34.33 | ACCA | [1]anaconda: can you boot it from, say, resque USB? |
| 23:35.04 | hightower3 | Hey, what's a convenient way to upgrade kernel 3.2 in wheezy to anything newer, using a debian package? (Using a deb of 3.16 from jessie is not an option as it requires other packages to be upgraded too) |
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| 23:35.28 | hightower3 | oh, wheezy backports |
| 23:35.39 | themill | ,kernel --release wheezy-backports |
| 23:35.40 | judd | Available kernel versions are: wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1) |
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| 23:42.09 | [1]anaconda | ACCA, I use PXE-netboot because the system doesn't even support usb key boot |
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| 23:43.01 | [1]anaconda | ACCA, my intention is to boot the debian rescue system, chroot into the broken system and replace the installed grub with the patched one |
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| 23:43.54 | yeehi | how do we read syslog and kernlog? They are very large files. There must be some error |
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| 23:46.37 | ACCA | [1]anaconda: got it. First you need a patched grub |
| 23:47.02 | ACCA | [1]anaconda: apt-get source grub2 |
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| 23:48.53 | [1]anaconda | ACCA, I'm currently downloading it :) thanks |
| 23:49.19 | ACCA | [1]anaconda: see http://cs-people.bu.edu/doucette/xia/guides/debian-patch.txt for in-depth |
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| 23:49.59 | ACCA | [1]anaconda: patch it, make a .deb, then somehow push it to the broken box and upgrade. Make sure your version is higher than the stock |
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| 23:50.28 | [1]anaconda | ACCA, can I just download grub-pc since I have to use it on a standard BIOS pc? |
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| 23:52.18 | ACCA | [1]anaconda: a wild guess - all those grub-* spawn from the same source tree |
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| 23:55.42 | [1]anaconda | ACCA, can you tell me why I have to increase te package's version? Also after I install the resulting DEB, what will happen to the package's version management (apt-get etc..)? |
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| 23:57.17 | okee | Is there a free program that will allow me to add bookmarks to my PDFs? |
| 23:57.49 | TomTomTo2 | yeehi, tail -fn 300 /var/log/syslog or /var/log/kern.log |
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| 23:58.50 | ashes-mobile | hello |
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