| 00:00.04 | yeehi | Thank you TomTomTo2 Why do you love Debian? |
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| 00:00.09 | ashes-mobile | i am trying to install to a netbook with b43 firmware. both the ethernet and wireless devices do not work, and the firmware isn't on the iso. what should i do? |
| 00:00.43 | yeehi | ashes-mobile - don't panic. |
| 00:01.01 | markybob | aegis: you can use the installer *with* included firmware. cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 00:01.09 | markybob | ashes-mobile: ^^ |
| 00:01.19 | yeehi | there is a broadcom package for wireless |
| 00:01.25 | yeehi | just a moment... |
| 00:02.02 | yeehi | actually it can be tricky |
| 00:02.06 | yeehi | a couple of packages |
| 00:02.09 | ACCA | [1]anaconda: that would save you troubles enforcing that your grub won't be "upgraded" with the next upgrade cycle |
| 00:02.13 | yeehi | broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 00:02.42 | yeehi | might help. There have been issues with inability to connect, or frequently dropping wireless |
| 00:02.52 | yeehi | there is another package, too. |
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| 00:07.06 | yeehi | ashes-mobile - I just had a quick look. I couldn't find the other package I had in mind. |
| 00:07.09 | ACCA | yeehi: do not do that broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 00:07.23 | yeehi | Why, ACCA? |
| 00:07.23 | [1]anaconda | ACCA, I think that "apt-get source" has already applied the debian patches bundled with grub sources, may I could skip the first steps in the howto that you linked to me |
| 00:07.25 | ACCA | yeehi: it is obsolete and buggy |
| 00:07.43 | yeehi | What is a better option, ACCA? (Thank you for letting me know!) |
| 00:07.45 | markybob | you should use the installer. if you don't want that use firmware-b43-installer |
| 00:07.49 | markybob | yeehi: ^ |
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| 00:07.54 | ACCA | I just had this installed for BCM4311 |
| 00:08.00 | ashes-mobile | brb |
| 00:08.05 | ACCA | hold on, getting a list of packages I have... |
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| 00:08.40 | yeehi | yes, i was thinking of firmware-broadcom or broadcom-firmware package, something like that |
| 00:09.04 | yeehi | Broadcom use proprietary code, so you would need to enable non-free in your sources.list |
| 00:09.24 | TomTomTosh | or just research what's recommended for his chipset ;P |
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| 00:09.52 | markybob | i just hope he got the nonfree installer like i suggested. so much easier |
| 00:10.00 | yeehi | In the future, select free hardware, where possible, ashes-mobile . http://h-node.org can help you. |
| 00:10.24 | yeehi | Try for Atheros hardware, avoid Broadcom wireless |
| 00:11.01 | yeehi | markybob, which installer? |
| 00:11.11 | ACCA | [1]anaconda: what I get is that you need extra patches on top of stock |
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| 00:11.17 | markybob | yeehi: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 00:11.19 | ACCA | [1]anaconda: see the link |
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| 00:11.40 | TomTomTosh | markybob, i wish people would use h-node.org for selecting hardware |
| 00:11.48 | yeehi | Thank you so much, markybob |
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| 00:12.31 | Guest71510 | how do you update debian |
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| 00:13.10 | somiaj | Guest71510: what do you mean? If you have the correct sources.list apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 00:13.31 | ACCA | yeehi: you need firmware-b43-installer and just stock b43 module (with kernel 3.16) |
| 00:14.07 | ACCA | yeehi: works like charm |
| 00:14.38 | ACCA | yeehi: if you had that *dkms make sure b43 is not blacklisted |
| 00:15.05 | okee | Is there a free program that will allow me to add bookmarks to my PDFs |
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| 00:16.22 | TomTomTosh | okee, okular does that. |
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| 00:16.45 | okee | TomTomTosh> Thanks |
| 00:17.01 | yeehi | ACCA - How does one check if b43 is/was blacklisted? Should the *dkms be uninstalled? |
| 00:18.12 | ashes-mobile | the thing is tht the b43 packages have a lot of deps. i tried downloading the .deb files to a usb stick, but there are like 100 dependencies. the ethernet card doesn't work either |
| 00:18.32 | ashes-mobile | so i really need an install image with the firmware included |
| 00:18.47 | ACCA | yeehi: uninstall *dkms-sta, then check /etc/{modules,modprobe.d/*,modules-load.d/*} |
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| 00:19.08 | markybob | ashes-mobile: easiest way, yes. |
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| 00:19.31 | ACCA | yeehi: or check first in those /etc/mod* where b43 is blacklisted, uninstall and ensure the blacklist is no longer there |
| 00:20.08 | yeehi | ashes-mobile You might be able to download that ISO image markybob mentioned, mount that ISO image, so that it appears as a CD/DVD and then list that CD as one of the sources from which to download the packages you need. |
| 00:20.22 | yeehi | list it in sources.list |
| 00:20.39 | ashes-mobile | hmm |
| 00:20.44 | markybob | ashes-mobile: just start over |
| 00:21.04 | ashes-mobile | i'm replacing windows. i am starting from zero |
| 00:21.23 | markybob | ashes-mobile: good. use the firmware installer i linked you to |
| 00:22.14 | yeehi | ashes-mobile, a handy tool to have if you need to install/reinstall from a variety of ISOs is RMprepUsb and easytoboot |
| 00:22.35 | ashes-mobile | ok |
| 00:22.37 | markybob | ashes-mobile: don't use any of those |
| 00:22.39 | yeehi | rmprep is non-free, i believe |
| 00:22.59 | yeehi | markybob, why not? |
| 00:23.19 | markybob | you should follow the suggest method |
| 00:23.20 | markybob | !win32diskimager |
| 00:23.20 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 00:23.34 | markybob | suggested* |
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| 00:23.45 | ashes-mobile | i have other linux machines. i don't use windows for anything |
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| 00:24.02 | markybob | ashes-mobile: great, then just cp image.iso /dev/sdX |
| 00:24.06 | yeehi | rmprepusb allows you to keep several ISO files on your USB as ISO files, it doesn't convert them into many little files |
| 00:24.08 | ashes-mobile | ya |
| 00:24.23 | ACCA | markybob: if it is hybrid |
| 00:24.26 | yeehi | for future consideration, ashes-mobile |
| 00:24.29 | markybob | ACCA: it is |
| 00:24.49 | karlpinc | ashes-mobile: Thing is, the "official" methods are tried and true. You need a reason to use something else. |
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| 00:25.29 | ashes-mobile | i have a reason |
| 00:25.44 | ashes-mobile | i just want the installer to work, i don't care how it works |
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| 00:26.42 | yeehi | Good luck with replacing windows, ashes-mobile. If you can, save one part of the disk for another partition/removable media storage, so that if you banjax your system, you can still have some media files and essential downloads, such as broadcom firmware, available. |
| 00:27.02 | yeehi | Sorry if I have been unable to provide the best/most up to date advice. |
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| 00:27.23 | ashes-mobile | thanks for any help you have |
| 00:27.45 | ACCA | ashes-mobile: make your installer image, that's easy |
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| 00:30.06 | ACCA | ashes-mobile: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso |
| 00:30.53 | ACCA | ashes-mobile: hacking initrd is optional |
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| 00:33.56 | [1]anaconda | ACCA, the git repo from which I have to download the patches is currently unavailable.. it returns me a blank page or infinite loading in firefox :( |
| 00:34.26 | [1]anaconda | ACCA, try by yourself if you want http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/grub.git/commit/?h=phcoder/c3&id=3e89a76fee8edfbeb3d069f7d2f04df7fa34ecc3 |
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| 00:35.36 | [1]anaconda | i have the feel that i may have to try tomorrow |
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| 00:45.15 | alphabet | hi people. I have a question about security. every time the developer team rebuild something I believe they run something agains possible malware in source code and perhaps binarys, I really want to known these tools. |
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| 01:22.27 | cesurasean | what is a good brute force to use for mysql on debian? |
| 01:23.43 | quantic | cesurasean: I'm entirely positive that if you pasted that question into Google, you'd get good results. |
| 01:24.06 | cra1g321 | personally prefers to use the correct password |
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| 01:46.03 | TomTomTosh | blubee, there is no such thing. |
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| 02:01.11 | duband | Can my computer run debian http://postimg.org/image/5gqlmx4dl/ |
| 02:02.02 | TomTomTosh | duband, yes |
| 02:02.15 | duband | I only have a 6 core |
| 02:02.39 | TomTomTosh | you only need one. |
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| 02:04.01 | duband | Ar galite iÅ¡bandyti savo aparatÅ«rÄ
Prieš diegdami Debian |
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| 02:27.53 | cesurasean | what is proper package name now for apt-get install libapache2-mod-chroot? |
| 02:27.57 | cesurasean | seems to have changed. |
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| 02:32.52 | cesurasean | apt-get install mtop |
| 02:32.56 | cesurasean | package cannot be found |
| 02:32.57 | cesurasean | why not? |
| 02:33.50 | dvs | ,v mtop |
| 02:33.52 | judd | No package named 'mtop' was found in amd64. |
| 02:34.07 | cra1g321 | can't install what doesn't exist ;) |
| 02:34.21 | cesurasean | what can i use in place of it? |
| 02:34.33 | cesurasean | and can apache still be mod_chroot on jessie? |
| 02:35.01 | karlpinc | cesurasean: It's gone. It went away when apache1 went away. See Bug#429097 |
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| 02:35.51 | karlpinc | cesurasean: It's probably built into apache2. It no longer runs as root. |
| 02:36.52 | danols | Does anyone here have a working sieve router for Exim? could post their router and transport ? |
| 02:36.57 | karlpinc | cesurasean: Ah. Chroot. Might be useless since chroots are not secure. |
| 02:37.20 | TomTomTosh | cesurasean, karlpinc https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_unixd.html#chrootdir |
| 02:37.30 | blubee | i guess i should've said, is there vulkan support in the noveau drivers? |
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| 02:38.41 | karlpinc | cesurasean: See https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_unixd.html#chrootdir |
| 02:39.02 | karlpinc | TomTomTosh: Oops. Beat met to it. |
| 02:39.16 | TomTomTosh | :P |
| 02:39.26 | danols | Maildir format |
| 02:40.35 | karlpinc | blubee: You might have to read the man page for the driver. I'm sure it's online at debian.org -- somewhere. (If nothing else it'd be at sources.debian.net.) |
| 02:41.38 | karlpinc | blubee: You could try using the pciid and see what judd says about support. |
| 02:41.43 | karlpinc | !tell blubee about pciid |
| 02:41.53 | blubee | karlpinc: thank you |
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| 02:44.24 | TomTomTosh | karlpinc, he was asking about vulkan support. no chance it will be there so fast. |
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| 02:48.25 | karlpinc | TomTomTosh: Ok. I've no idea what vulkan means. |
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| 02:48.56 | nevyn | karlpinc: it's the newly announced 3d api |
| 02:49.14 | karlpinc | nevyn: Proprietary? |
| 02:49.27 | nevyn | karlpinc: well it's a kronos standard |
| 02:49.48 | karlpinc | nevyn: Sorry. Don't know what that means either. :-) |
| 02:49.50 | nevyn | it's supposed to get more out of the way (as has been the trend in 3d api's for some time.) |
| 02:50.20 | nevyn | https://www.khronos.org/ |
| 02:50.38 | TomTomTosh | and i'm sure nvidia will not rush to add it to their drivers. |
| 02:50.40 | nevyn | ^ the group that maintains things like OpenGL specifications. |
| 02:51.03 | TomTomTosh | and i've seen no announcement of it being added to the free drivers. |
| 02:51.06 | nevyn | TomTomTosh: dunno maybe it gives a bunch of benefits and they've announced support |
| 02:51.24 | karlpinc | nevyn: Sounds like "the next OpenGL". |
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| 02:51.36 | nevyn | right. |
| 02:51.42 | nevyn | that's what it's supposed to be. |
| 02:51.57 | karlpinc | Well, good on them. |
| 02:52.29 | nevyn | karlpinc: Khronos also wrote that api specification. |
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| 02:53.43 | OerHeks | TomTomTosh, i read they did http://www.anandtech.com/show/10047/quick-look-vulkan-performance-on-the-talos-principle |
| 02:53.59 | nevyn | TomTomTosh: https://developer.nvidia.com/Vulkan |
| 02:54.03 | OerHeks | ( nvidia, that is ) |
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| 02:55.37 | TomTomTosh | linux != debian |
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| 03:10.13 | TomTomTosh | i guess you will have to wait till the >=355 drivers are in debian. |
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| 03:10.33 | TomTomTosh | they are in experimental right now. |
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| 03:13.56 | TomTomTosh | but don't quote me on that. |
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| 03:15.01 | TomTomTosh | blubee ^ |
| 03:15.05 | markybob | "they are in experimental right now" |
| 03:16.06 | TomTomTosh | markybob, yes, sir? |
| 03:16.25 | markybob | TomTomTosh: i was just quoting you :P |
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| 03:17.34 | poffs | i have an issue with a remote disk not being mounted on a system |
| 03:17.40 | poffs | it's not showing up in fdisk -l |
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| 03:17.50 | poffs | it's a usb disk that is not in use (it probably shut down to save power) |
| 03:17.51 | TomTomTosh | well, they will land in jessie-backports soon me hopes :P |
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| 03:20.54 | TomTomTosh | markybob, ah, i get it now. my brain is slow, it's 4am :P |
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| 03:23.39 | TomTomTosh | poffs, what does it say if you try to mount it? |
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| 03:24.34 | eolien_ | hi |
| 03:24.59 | eolien_ | i dont understand a part of that documentation : http://debianaddict.com/2012/06/19/diskless-debian-linux-booting-via-dhcppxenfstftp/ |
| 03:25.21 | eolien_ | when i add the script /srv/nfsroot/etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom/aufs |
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| 03:25.37 | poffs | TomTomTosh, i don' tknow how to make an attempt. the block device doesn't show up in fdisk -l or blkid |
| 03:26.04 | eolien_ | and run chroot /srv/nfsroot mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd_netboot.img-3.16.0-4-amd64.xz 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 03:26.22 | eolien_ | i have errors, the mkinitramfs try to execute the script |
| 03:26.39 | eolien_ | and fail cause he dont have $rootmnt setted |
| 03:27.11 | eolien_ | but i dont understand, that script must be just include in initrd and simply run when initrd boot from pxe |
| 03:27.20 | TomTomTosh | poffs, ah, i missed that. uhm... have you tried turning it off and on again? :P |
| 03:27.36 | TomTomTosh | poffs, the usb drive that is |
| 03:27.51 | eolien_ | the problem is that the host use 3.2 kernel, and my nfsroot debootstrapped a 3.16 kernel |
| 03:28.04 | un214 | ewww |
| 03:28.21 | poffs | TomTomTosh, it's usb mounted... i can't access the it physically, it's 150km away, but i reset the whole device and nothing changed |
| 03:28.24 | cesurasean | is chroot of http + mysql possible on jessie? |
| 03:28.47 | un214 | yes: debootstrap; but there's gotta be an easier way |
| 03:28.51 | cesurasean | or is it too old school thinking? |
| 03:29.02 | eolien_ | un214: ? |
| 03:29.29 | un214 | eolien_: your problem grossed me out |
| 03:29.31 | eolien_ | my problem is just that, i chroot to mkinitramfs, but script is executed by host computer |
| 03:29.43 | eolien_ | i'm french sorry, what means "grossed" |
| 03:29.48 | eolien_ | (-> google translate) |
| 03:30.02 | un214 | like mud |
| 03:30.11 | eolien_ | hm |
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| 03:31.07 | wewlad | hello, I have problems after trying avahi |
| 03:31.20 | wewlad | ifdown fails to down eth0 |
| 03:31.34 | eolien_ | un214: i will paste you something, just a sec |
| 03:31.48 | wewlad | and 'ifup eth0' returns '/bin/sh: 1: /usr/sbin/avahi-autoipd: not found. Failed to bring up eth0.' |
| 03:33.10 | eolien_ | un214: http://sprunge.us/NKdQ |
| 03:33.30 | eolien_ | un214: why do the chrooted mkinitramfs, execute that script outside of chroot ? |
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| 03:34.25 | eolien_ | un214: and 2 : why does he execute it, shouldnt he juste include it in initramfs, for execute it while booting nfsroot client ? |
| 03:34.44 | un214 | looks like mkinitramfs can't handle the situation |
| 03:34.57 | un214 | I can't read enough french to understand the errors but it looks like it tried to load a module |
| 03:35.18 | eolien_ | yep but that script is to init aufs overlay |
| 03:35.23 | eolien_ | while booting client |
| 03:35.53 | un214 | the only thing I know how to do in response is roll my own initrd; this gets really heady really fast |
| 03:35.56 | eolien_ | so generating initramfs should just add that script to execute it when a client load initramfs |
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| 03:37.28 | eolien_ | un214: the first error while trying to modprobe is simple, he try to load modules from HOST /lib/modules/ for kernel 3.2, but module is is /srv/nfsroot/lib/modules for kernel 3.16 |
| 03:37.43 | eolien_ | s/is/in |
| 03:37.56 | un214 | but why the blazes is it trying to load modules while packaging initrd ?!? |
| 03:38.05 | eolien_ | that's my second question |
| 03:38.13 | un214 | I don't know either! |
| 03:38.21 | eolien_ | the weird answer is that that's what is doing the script |
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| 03:38.33 | eolien_ | un214: modprobe aufs |
| 03:38.40 | eolien_ | first line of /srv/nfsroot/etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom/root_overlay |
| 03:39.03 | un214 | I'm stumped -- I don't know how this stuff works |
| 03:39.14 | eolien_ | the thing is |
| 03:39.17 | eolien_ | when you chroot |
| 03:39.22 | eolien_ | you still use HOST kernel |
| 03:39.26 | eolien_ | which is here 3.2 |
| 03:39.26 | un214 | yeah |
| 03:39.35 | eolien_ | to generate an initramfs in function |
| 03:39.38 | un214 | maybe run modprobe aufs before chrooting |
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| 03:39.48 | eolien_ | but my nfsroot is 3.16 |
| 03:39.54 | un214 | so ... |
| 03:40.06 | un214 | load the host copy of aufs so it will find it there and not load it again |
| 03:40.32 | eolien_ | yep but here's the second pb, he shouldnt execute this script |
| 03:40.39 | eolien_ | it will break my nfs srv |
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| 03:53.52 | poffs | i don't have a block device for my usb drive using blkid https://paste.debian.net/plain/398235 |
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| 03:55.24 | math628 | hi |
| 03:55.36 | dvs | poffs: What does lsblk say? |
| 03:55.37 | math628 | im getting radeon error in debian |
| 03:55.49 | math628 | radeon non free error |
| 03:55.54 | math628 | help |
| 03:56.32 | math628 | cant login as root too |
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| 03:57.23 | poffs | dvs... doesn't show up there either. hmm... i don't know what type of parition table i put on it, but the drive is empty but encrypted |
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| 03:57.29 | TomTomTosh | radeon stahp! :P |
| 03:57.44 | TomTomTosh | math628, pastebin the error http://pastebin.com/ |
| 03:58.00 | dvs | poffs: oh. it's encrypted. can't help you there. |
| 03:58.09 | math628 | lol i cant even get the error but its... |
| 03:58.31 | poffs | dvs, getting it mounted i can handle, but the problem is that even the block id is not showing up |
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| 03:59.06 | TomTomTosh | math628, neither can i :P |
| 03:59.06 | math646 | www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-kernel-70/radeon-kernel-modesetting-for-r600-or-later-requires-firmware-linux-nonfree-4175506682 |
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| 04:00.05 | NoCode | Using Brasero, Disc Burning (100% complete), but it's stalling on the checksum without any report of errors. Same spot on the percentage bar for like 30 minutes now. |
| 04:00.34 | math646 | tom can it get that file from the internet while its instaling |
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| 04:01.59 | TomTomTosh | math646, can you get into tty? |
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| 04:02.28 | math646 | i dont know what that is sorry |
| 04:02.37 | math646 | but i see it in the cmd |
| 04:02.42 | k_sze[work] | I'm confused. Is Debian's version of cron supposed to support @reboot, etc. or not? |
| 04:02.43 | math646 | cant login |
| 04:02.54 | TomTomTosh | math646, and no idea what you mean by "tom can it get that file from the internet while its instaling" |
| 04:03.19 | math646 | uh.. the firmware |
| 04:03.27 | math646 | is missing |
| 04:03.33 | TomTomTosh | math646, you see in the cmd, can't login. don't understand that either. |
| 04:03.52 | TomTomTosh | math646, ctrl + alt |
| 04:03.55 | math646 | when i boot a screen apears |
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| 04:04.23 | TomTomTosh | math646, ctrl + alt + f1 should open your tty1 |
| 04:04.39 | TomTomTosh | math646, you should be able to login there. |
| 04:04.43 | math646 | ok what is it |
| 04:05.17 | TomTomTosh | math646, it's a terminal |
| 04:05.58 | math646 | now i cant get the instalaton cd from the drive lol |
| 04:06.12 | TomTomTosh | math646, right... |
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| 04:06.52 | math646 | im goint to try instaling again |
| 04:07.11 | TomTomTosh | shrugs |
| 04:08.14 | math646 | i think its my videocard driver firmware |
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| 04:08.48 | math646 | should i install again downloading the missing firmware? |
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| 04:09.40 | dvs | !tell math646 about firmware iso |
| 04:11.50 | math646 | i need rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw |
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| 04:13.38 | dvs | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 04:13.39 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20151207-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1 |
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| 04:18.21 | tpanarch1st | hello how do i check if pure ftp is installed please |
| 04:18.26 | tpanarch1st | tried which pure-ftp |
| 04:18.29 | tpanarch1st | nothing returned |
| 04:18.37 | tpanarch1st | im sure we installed it |
| 04:19.05 | TomTomTosh | aptitude search pure-ftpd |
| 04:19.40 | markybob | tpanarch1st: does dpkg -l pure-ftpd work? |
| 04:21.17 | tpanarch1st | markybob: thanks for coming back to me :) http://pastebin.com/BRyECAYD |
| 04:21.30 | markybob | tpanarch1st: that says it's not installed |
| 04:21.37 | tpanarch1st | oh Lord |
| 04:21.42 | tpanarch1st | im sure we installed it |
| 04:21.54 | tpanarch1st | prob ive got is im worried about installing that after installing ispconfig |
| 04:21.55 | markybob | tpanarch1st: then someone else uninstalled it |
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| 04:22.21 | markybob | tpanarch1st: plus i'm a vsftpd guy :P but that's a different topic |
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| 04:23.59 | tpanarch1st | markybob: hehe is it possible that installing it once ive installed ispconfig will cause a problem |
| 04:24.31 | markybob | tpanarch1st: i don't think so. try to apt-get install it again. does it tell you it needs to remove anything? |
| 04:24.59 | tpanarch1st | no its gone through :) |
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| 04:26.19 | tpanarch1st | markybob: so how do I 1) start it and then 2) ensure it always starts up please |
| 04:26.43 | markybob | tpanarch1st: i don't know anything about pure-ftpd. not a thing. |
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| 04:27.17 | tpanarch1st | oh no this is just debian commands :) |
| 04:27.56 | markybob | tpanarch1st: usually when you install a daemon the install scrip automatically makes sure it starts on boot. you don't have to do anything |
| 04:28.01 | markybob | script* |
| 04:29.07 | eolien_ | arrr if i use my initrd without compression it works |
| 04:29.14 | eolien_ | when i xz initrd |
| 04:29.20 | eolien_ | it kernel panic at boot |
| 04:30.16 | tpanarch1st | markybob: http://pastebin.com/z9FtrSWS |
| 04:30.36 | markybob | tpanarch1st: that's better :) |
| 04:30.46 | tpanarch1st | how do i check its started though please :) |
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| 04:31.27 | markybob | tpanarch1st: a lot of ftp servers are started only when a connection is attempted, so it's not always running. if pure-ftpd doesn't do this you can ps aux |grep pure |
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| 04:32.59 | tpanarch1st | markybob: thanks for this, appears to be running, server is refusing the connect though |
| 04:34.08 | markybob | tpanarch1st: well i don't know anything about configuring pure-ftpd. sorry |
| 04:34.29 | tpanarch1st | markybob: tell you what, is the one that you use easier to operate :) |
| 04:34.43 | tpanarch1st | there is no channel for pureftp either :( |
| 04:35.04 | markybob | tpanarch1st: i think it's pretty easy. i can pastebin my config for you to help you set it up |
| 04:35.20 | tpanarch1st | bless you mate - i'm a but rubbish at black box stuff though :) |
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| 04:35.49 | tpanarch1st | ok how do i sack this pureftp :) |
| 04:35.51 | markybob | tpanarch1st: i use ssl and such, so delete those lines if you don't have a certificate. http://paste.debian.net/398308/ |
| 04:36.02 | tpanarch1st | thank you btw |
| 04:36.04 | markybob | tpanarch1st: just apt-get remove pure-ftpd |
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| 04:37.53 | TomTomTosh | on a side note: i don't think pure-ftpd creates a deamon. you'd have to start it. |
| 04:38.22 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:38.52 | tpanarch1st | ok |
| 04:39.02 | tpanarch1st | TomTomTosh: how do I start it please |
| 04:39.27 | tpanarch1st | markybob: im just going to try this as its more common with ispconfig hence it may cause less problems :) |
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| 04:39.47 | tpanarch1st | as a backup markybob where is that config file please |
| 04:40.00 | tpanarch1st | Debian 8 |
| 04:40.03 | markybob | tpanarch1st: i use ssl and such, so delete those lines if you don't have a certificate. http://paste.debian.net/398308/ |
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| 04:40.19 | TomTomTosh | tpanarch1st, no idea. i just looked at the manpage. |
| 04:40.24 | tpanarch1st | markybob: sure i saw that and have it open but where is that file please |
| 04:40.45 | markybob | tpanarch1st: it's in the link. http://paste.debian.net/398308/ |
| 04:41.16 | markybob | tpanarch1st: oh. you mean on the system. /etc/vsftpd.conf |
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| 04:44.49 | NT1337 | hi man |
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| 04:45.33 | TomTomTosh | markybob, nvm, i'm an idiot. it's even called *d. me should be quiet |
| 04:46.19 | markybob | TomTomTosh: i'm pretty drunk so i probably should too :P |
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| 04:47.18 | TomTomTosh | markybob, cheers! ;D |
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| 04:50.40 | markybob | btw, i tried installing 8.3 today using full disk lvm/encryption and i selected btrfs. wouldn't boot. is btrfs not okay with such a setup? |
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| 04:51.14 | markybob | i left /boot as ext2 |
| 04:51.49 | karlpinc | markybob: Humm. That sounds like it should work. |
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| 04:52.02 | karlpinc | markybob: What happens when it "doesn't boot"? |
| 04:52.30 | markybob | karlpinc: just kept saying it couldn't find the encrypted partition. first time i ever tried btrfs so i wasn't sure if it should work |
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| 04:53.03 | provolone | is this version vulnerable EGLIBC 2.13-38+deb7u2 ? |
| 04:53.05 | karlpinc | markybob: Sounds like an initrd problem. |
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| 04:53.23 | karlpinc | !tell provolone about libc6_bug |
| 04:53.41 | karlpinc | markybob: On the other hand, I've never used btrfs. |
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| 04:54.14 | provolone | thanks, I looked at that https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0235 and I was not clear if the version I mentioned was vuln |
| 04:54.57 | karlpinc | markybob: But, if you boot in rescue mode and then rebuild the initramfs maybe that'll fix it. On the other hand, I'm guessing. |
| 04:55.00 | markybob | provolone: just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and you're good |
| 04:55.33 | provolone | worried about some of the packages I have and the default config provided during the upgrade, could break some stuff |
| 04:55.41 | karlpinc | provolone: (Assuming you've not broken your sources.list and have security.debian.org in there.) |
| 04:56.04 | provolone | specifically jetty6 |
| 04:56.15 | markybob | wtf is a jetty6 |
| 04:56.26 | provolone | I've had a few headaches with debian's jetty packages |
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| 04:56.34 | provolone | and the default config |
| 04:56.39 | markybob | provolone: i have to assume you mean jessie |
| 04:56.49 | markybob | provolone: or i'm much more drunk than i thought |
| 04:57.01 | karlpinc | provolone: Humm. I'm running jessie and it has jetty8. |
| 04:57.13 | karlpinc | provolone: Are you on wheezy? |
| 04:57.29 | provolone | yeah during the install they tried to give me all kinds of jvm issues |
| 04:58.06 | karlpinc | provolone: IIRC you have to choose a bunch of "what sorta java" packages to install. |
| 04:58.12 | provolone | etc issue says debain 7 |
| 04:58.16 | karlpinc | provolone: After that it worked for me. |
| 04:58.20 | karlpinc | provolone: Yah. wheezy. |
| 04:58.39 | karlpinc | provolone: Unless you've installed non-debian packages it should just work. |
| 04:58.48 | provolone | so when I do this will I have jetty8 ? |
| 04:58.56 | provolone | the upgrade |
| 04:59.00 | karlpinc | provolone: No. You'll still be on wheezy. |
| 04:59.15 | karlpinc | provolone: You need to follow the release notes to upgrade to jessie. |
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| 04:59.29 | provolone | alright I don't want to mess with the webapplication at this moment |
| 04:59.44 | provolone | thanks |
| 04:59.53 | karlpinc | provolone: (Wheezy goes out of regular support and into expermential long-term support in, I think, April. FYI.) |
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| 05:00.28 | karlpinc | provolone: (When it does, you'll either need to upgrade or add the long-term support lines to sources.list.) |
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| 05:01.02 | provolone | I think I will tell them to give me a new fresh install on better hardware and copy what I need |
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| 05:01.52 | karlpinc | provolone: Whatever works for you. Debian is not like many other distros and will upgrade. Then if you want new hardware either move or copy the disk. |
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| 05:02.13 | karlpinc | provolone: Usually eaiser than a re-install and re-configure. |
| 05:02.39 | provolone | I'll give it a shot if you say so |
| 05:02.57 | karlpinc | provolone: No matter what you do you'll have (at least) 2 issues. |
| 05:03.04 | provolone | I guess you know the kinds of headaches that can happen |
| 05:03.19 | karlpinc | provolone: apache goes from 2.2 to 2.4 and is not upwardly compatible. |
| 05:03.40 | karlpinc | provolone: All the headaches are documented in the release notes. You'll want to review that no matter what. |
| 05:04.08 | karlpinc | provolone: Other issue is that the default init system is not sysv but systemd. Depending, that can impact you. |
| 05:04.13 | TomTomTosh | markybob, is it dm-crypt? that one should be possible https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Does_Btrfs_work_on_top_of_dm-crypt.3F |
| 05:04.55 | karlpinc | TomTomTosh: If it's the installer it should be dm-crypt/luks. |
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| 05:05.33 | markybob | karlpinc: right |
| 05:06.39 | karlpinc | markybob: I seem to recall something like your problem. Something, maybe the grub kernel command line or maybe the initramfs did not have the right uuid, which I had to get with blkid. But this is a vague feeling of installs past.... |
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| 05:07.43 | augustomorais | Hi! Everytime after that I installed skype the aptitude says it: skype:i386 : Depends: libssl1.0.0:i386 which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package. How can I fix it ? |
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| 05:08.49 | karlpinc | augustomorais: What version of debian? I see no skype in the debian repos. |
| 05:09.59 | augustomorais | karlpinc, I downloaded from the skype website. Im using stretch |
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| 05:10.23 | karlpinc | augustomorais: You'd probably need to get a package from the skype website for stretch. |
| 05:10.30 | provolone | there goes uptime |
| 05:11.04 | augustomorais | karlpinc, Yep.. I needed add i386 repository to install it. |
| 05:11.26 | karlpinc | provolone: Something broke? |
| 05:11.44 | markybob | augustomorais: stretch support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
| 05:11.49 | augustomorais | karlpinc, seems that have a skype repo on github. https://github.com/haskellcamargo/skype-unofficial-client.git Have you ever use it ? |
| 05:12.12 | provolone | rebooted |
| 05:12.25 | provolone | I thought that was required for the libc6 issue |
| 05:12.31 | karlpinc | provolone: Oh. Good. You're on top of it then. |
| 05:12.40 | augustomorais | humm.. i didnt know it. thanks markybob |
| 05:12.49 | karlpinc | provolone: You could, in theory, restart every service. In practice, reboot. |
| 05:12.55 | markybob | provolone: it's not required but it's suggested |
| 05:13.10 | provolone | as long as it comes back I can do breakfast |
| 05:14.19 | karlpinc | provolone: It will, no doubt, do a fsck during boot. Just because. |
| 05:15.27 | karlpinc | provolone: (When I doubt, I reboot _first_, before doing anything. Just to be sure that it'll reboot and to catch any time-based fscks. Then I go about breaking things and reboot afterwards to check my work. ;-) |
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| 05:16.05 | provolone | I had not configured SHMAX properly for reboots... |
| 05:16.07 | provolone | its always something |
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| 05:17.24 | karlpinc | provolone: FYI. More recent kernels have a much larger deafault SHMAX. I think. (At one point I'm sure I broke things because sysctl.conf was "over configured" with shmax.) |
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| 05:19.00 | markybob | /exit/exit |
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| 05:22.44 | provolone | looks good. thanks guys |
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| 05:23.12 | TomTomTosh | markybob, still conscious? :P |
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| 05:25.00 | Elronnd | I'm trying to install torbrowser, but I'm getting "Package torbrowser-launcher is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 05:25.15 | Elronnd | packages.debian.org says that it's in the repos though |
| 05:25.41 | TomTomTosh | markybob, you could try to set a cryptdevice to grub. |
| 05:25.58 | TomTomTosh | ah, he ded. |
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| 05:26.42 | Falson | Has anyone watch twitch-streams with livestreamer recently? |
| 05:26.47 | Falson | tried to watch* |
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| 05:29.33 | TomTomTosh | Elronnd, it's in contrib. have you enabled it in sources.list ? |
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| 05:30.34 | Elronnd | TomTomTosh: looks like |
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| 05:32.05 | TomTomTosh | Elronnd, just so i understand, did you enable contrib? |
| 05:32.13 | Elronnd | Well, nevermind |
| 05:32.18 | Elronnd | apparently contrib was diabled |
| 05:32.18 | RaysunKR | I find many large ISO files in the official website.Should I install all of them? |
| 05:32.25 | Elronnd | I just enabled it and now it works |
| 05:32.35 | RaysunKR | Should I download all of them? |
| 05:32.58 | TomTomTosh | RaysunKR, you decide for one and go with it. |
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| 05:33.23 | TomTomTosh | RaysunKR, if you have an internet connection you prob want netinstall. |
| 05:34.03 | RaysunKR | Ok,Thank you~ |
| 05:34.04 | karlpinc | RaysunKR: Anything other than the netinstall is a waste unless you're installing on multiple boxes or somewhere without internet. |
| 05:34.23 | karlpinc | RaysunKR: Using wifi? |
| 05:34.31 | RaysunKR | Yes. |
| 05:35.01 | karlpinc | RaysunKR: May want the unofficial netinstall with non-free firmware. |
| 05:35.07 | karlpinc | RaysunKR: Talk to the channel please. |
| 05:35.49 | TiCPU | is there a way to use milliseconds instead of seconds in keepalived, or is there any other faster VRRP replacing keepalived ? |
| 05:36.08 | karlpinc | !tell RaysunKR about firmware images |
| 05:36.44 | RaysunKR | I'm under a Wifi network |
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| 05:37.21 | RaysunKR | But I use a Line link the PC and my router. |
| 05:37.32 | karlpinc | RaysunKR: The bot should have sent you a pm with info on where to get a unoffical netinstall with non-free firmware. Often required for wifi nics to work. |
| 05:37.59 | karlpinc | RaysunKR: If you install while plugged into a wire the regular netinstall is fine. |
| 05:38.13 | karlpinc | RaysunKR: Ask here or read the installation instructions if you've questions. |
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| 05:39.23 | RaysunKR | karlpinc: Ok,Thanks^^.My english is very worse so I can't express my self well=_= |
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| 05:40.23 | TomTomTosh | karlpinc, suggesting non-free to people makes me feel dirty :P |
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| 05:41.02 | karlpinc | RaysunKR: You can always enable the non-free repos to get the firmware you need to make the wifi work, and the regular netinstall will install it for you. |
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| 05:41.35 | rhizome | yay, handbrake works again |
| 05:41.36 | karlpinc | TomTomTosh: Yah. On the other hand, you're already screwed once you buy the hardware. |
| 05:42.08 | TomTomTosh | karlpinc, true :D |
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| 05:53.56 | provolone | things have gotten better in that regard (device support) over the years |
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| 06:01.45 | RayzrShrp | anybody know how to search with apt-cache so it's more accurate? |
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| 06:02.20 | rhizome | RayzrShrp: i always pipe it to grep |
| 06:02.22 | grawity | I usually do --names-only |
| 06:02.22 | qis | Hi! How can I install gcc-5 on jessie? |
| 06:03.12 | RayzrShrp | i think thats the same as apt-cache pkgnames |
| 06:03.44 | mutante | ?packages gcc-5 |
| 06:04.48 | qis | The latest gcc I get from the official debian 8 repos is 4.9 |
| 06:04.51 | qis | That's way too old. |
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| 06:07.40 | mutante | qis: gcc-5 is in stretch. maybe consider upgrading? |
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| 06:08.28 | qis | mutante: Yeah, probably. |
| 06:08.50 | rhizome | spoke too soon on handbrake, maybe some reinstalls are necessary |
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| 06:10.53 | mutante | qis: maybe backports |
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| 06:11.51 | qis | nope, not in backports |
| 06:12.01 | qis | backports are outdated too. clang 3.5 ^_^ |
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| 06:12.55 | qis | I'll use stretch and tell my customers to install ubuntu server. =/ |
| 06:13.01 | qis | Until debian catches up. |
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| 06:21.39 | mystica555_ | mdraid; should I do a separate raid1 for /boot or should i just do the whole thing as a single / with /boot inclusive |
| 06:21.45 | mystica555_ | raid1 |
| 06:22.15 | mystica555_ | says screwit, does a separate /boot |
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| 06:26.18 | mrrhq | Yeah, I also prefer /boot to be seperate. |
| 06:27.16 | mystica555_ | seems most sensible, considering im doing 'offset' layout for the raid in 2 separated raid1 pairs on a 4 disk server |
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| 06:28.27 | mystica555_ | can do the 2 /boot's as regular mirrors.. |
| 06:31.28 | j4son | /boot specific partition is so 1990s |
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| 06:31.56 | TomTomTosh | qis, debian stable will never catch up. it's not how this works. |
| 06:32.11 | j4son | it still ignites holy wars at $employer even though we have been running flat filesystem schemes for decades. good stuff. |
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| 06:32.24 | qis | TomTomTosh: I mean catch up to the C++14 standard. |
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| 06:33.28 | qis | Hmm, I could build a recent clang from source. This would allow me to have a modern libc++ and an alternative libc that can be statically linked. |
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| 06:35.30 | j4son | i think pre-grub2 the best argument for /boot was the fact you needed it for LVM. that hasn't been the case for 6+ years |
| 06:35.51 | j4son | get off that ye'old thinkin |
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| 06:39.23 | RayzrShrp | so my linux box has multiple nics in it but only 1 is being detected |
| 06:39.41 | RayzrShrp | will they only show up if something is plugged into it? |
| 06:40.15 | TomTomTosh | RayzrShrp, no, you prob need the firmware. |
| 06:40.53 | RayzrShrp | during the install it listed all 4 nics |
| 06:41.08 | RayzrShrp | but now it only shows the primary when i issue /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 06:43.35 | RayzrShrp | do i have to tell it to prove the network cards somewhere? |
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| 06:43.43 | RayzrShrp | lspci lists them |
| 06:44.07 | RayzrShrp | i add auto eth1 to my /etc/network/interfaces but when i issue ifup -a it says eth1 is an unknown interface |
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| 06:44.41 | grawity | ifup can only configure what already exists |
| 06:44.50 | grawity | it won't magically make eth1 appear in `ifconfig -a` |
| 06:45.00 | grawity | actually, when you were running ifconfig |
| 06:45.02 | grawity | were you using -a? |
| 06:45.04 | grawity | try -a. |
| 06:45.32 | RayzrShrp | bingo there they are so it does see the actual hardware |
| 06:45.35 | j4son | yeah, without -a `ifconfig` will not show interfaces that aren't layer-2 linked |
| 06:45.47 | RayzrShrp | that is helpful info thank you |
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| 06:46.07 | RayzrShrp | but so why does it think eth1 doesnt exist if its being called in the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 06:46.16 | RayzrShrp | does it need to be defined somewhere else? |
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| 06:46.52 | gr3y | Q: What is the best choice for a virtualization host on debian? |
| 06:46.54 | j4son | hard to tell without looking at your /etc/network/interfaces file. but to answer your question it should work fine even with the link is down |
| 06:47.04 | lenswipee | hi the debian site doesn't look very impressive compared to other distros. |
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| 06:47.42 | RayzrShrp | j4son: is there a quick pastelink thing i can do in here? |
| 06:47.53 | RayzrShrp | er pastebin |
| 06:48.06 | lenswipee | i'm also finding it impossible to navgate to the LTS for debian. anyone got the right link? |
| 06:48.07 | j4son | good question, i always use http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 06:49.05 | RayzrShrp | i swear fedora or centos has a command in the distro that does it |
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| 06:49.53 | j4son | yah there is something there |
| 06:49.58 | j4son | i just don't know it off the top of my head |
| 06:50.22 | j4son | unless you have a big ol honkin' file though, copy+paste should do? |
| 06:50.48 | the_cyber_guy | i need to create a user account for server monitoring purpose only. the user should be able to read all locations but will have no write access or should only be able to write to his home folder only. how this can be done? |
| 06:51.09 | RayzrShrp | copy and paste here in channel is frown upon |
| 06:51.18 | TomTomTosh | lenswipee, current stable is jessie it will have LTS until may 2020 https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 06:51.23 | j4son | of course, but you can copy and then paste into the form input of the site i just linked |
| 06:51.59 | themill | RayzrShrp: /msg dpkg pastebinit ; /msg dpkg nopaste |
| 06:52.14 | j4son | ooooh, didn't know that existed. thanks themill |
| 06:52.24 | TomTomTosh | lenswipee, Netinst is probably what you want. |
| 06:52.49 | lenswipee | TomTomTosh: there is no debian 6/7 in that link |
| 06:53.24 | lenswipee | its all for deb 8.3 |
| 06:53.34 | gr3y | Q: What is the best choice for a hypervisor host on debian? |
| 06:53.38 | RayzrShrp | themill: is one better than the other? |
| 06:54.02 | TomTomTosh | lenswipee, indeed. 8,3 is the current stable release. |
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| 06:54.57 | lenswipee | TomTomTosh: i'm after the LTS version |
| 06:55.08 | RayzrShrp | how can i make it so i can just issue ifconfig without needing the /sbin infront of it |
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| 06:55.43 | j4son | add /sbin to $PATH |
| 06:55.44 | themill | RayzrShrp: maybe the tool you are looking for is "ip"? |
| 06:55.59 | j4son | that too |
| 06:56.11 | TomTomTosh | lenswipee, this is not ubuntu. 8.3 is equivalent to ubuntu LTS. |
| 06:56.22 | RayzrShrp | themill: will ip list all the interfaces like ifconfig does? |
| 06:56.27 | themill | tias |
| 06:56.47 | lenswipee | TomTomTosh: i know. but its debian 8.3 |
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| 07:02.08 | TomTomTosh | lenswipee, debian 7: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ |
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| 07:05.26 | RayzrShrp | so where does this eth1 have to exist so ifup sees it? |
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| 07:17.10 | TomTomTosh | RayzrShrp, ifup uses the configuration from /etc/network/interfaces just add your devices and try again. |
| 07:17.51 | RayzrShrp | well crap now its just listening for dhcp and i cant kill it with ctrl-c |
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| 07:18.03 | RayzrShrp | oh ok it timed out |
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| 07:20.25 | poffs | i can't get mysqld to start in a chroot |
| 07:20.26 | poffs | in sid |
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| 07:20.43 | poffs | i mean a schroot |
| 07:20.45 | Amun_Ra | strace it |
| 07:21.25 | TomTomTosh | RayzrShrp, if you have nothing connected it will do a dhcp discover and find nothing. it's normal. |
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| 07:25.00 | lenswipee | no offence but debian site could do with an overhaul. |
| 07:25.12 | lenswipee | plain jane |
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| 07:27.28 | TomTomTosh | !debian-next |
| 07:27.28 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 07:27.38 | TomTomTosh | poffs, ^ |
| 07:28.04 | poffs | k |
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| 07:29.49 | TomTomTosh | lenswipee, and what do you expect us to do with your complaint? this is a support channel run by volunteers. |
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| 07:31.18 | lenswipee | TomTomTosh: Nothing |
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| 07:51.32 | TomTomTosh | didn't even shout :S |
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| 07:55.51 | poffs | when i'm trying to get stuff working in a chroot, what should i be mounting other than /proc? *NOTE* No x11 stuff is required for my purposes |
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| 07:58.21 | TomTomTosh | poffs, debian-next ist still in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 07:59.33 | poffs | TomTomTosh, my question isn't specifically related to sid, but i got my answer, /sys and /dev |
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| 08:17.38 | TomTomTosh | poffs, /dev/pts me thinks |
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| 08:21.38 | TomTomTosh | poffs, ah, nvm. the wiki does mount /dev too. |
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| 08:25.19 | TomTomTosh | but that depends on your usecase i guess. |
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| 09:00.24 | Tordek | hi |
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| 09:01.16 | Tordek | mysql-server-5.5 is installing mysqld_safe, but this is conflicting with systemd because it can't properly kill the process... is there any switch that needs to be changed to disable this behavior? |
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| 09:03.33 | nullx002 | hi |
| 09:03.51 | nullx002 | is there a way to enable hibernate/wake on a multiuser system? |
| 09:04.06 | nullx002 | i have 3 users, one is su other 2 are desktop users |
| 09:04.39 | nullx002 | need to enable hibernate/wake for su user, irrespective of what desktop users do su wakes up from hibernation successfully |
| 09:04.48 | nullx002 | is it possible? |
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| 09:24.58 | grawity | what's a "su user" again |
| 09:25.18 | grawity | also wake has nothing to do with users |
| 09:25.22 | grawity | you press the power button, it wakes up |
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| 09:25.39 | grawity | it's only suspending/hibernating that users can make a difference |
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| 09:33.48 | darxmurf | where are the Xorg options to add +iglx ? |
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| 09:36.38 | grawity | depends on how you start Xorg (startx, gdm, kdm...) |
| 09:36.43 | grawity | what do you need iglx for, though? |
| 09:36.43 | darxmurf | lightdm |
| 09:37.01 | darxmurf | I'm fighting with openGL app launched over ssh -X |
| 09:37.17 | darxmurf | not working anymore since I upgraded machines to jessie |
| 09:37.44 | darxmurf | apparently xorg changed the default conf and disabled iglx since version 1.17 ? |
| 09:38.07 | grawity | yes, they say it causes major problems https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=99f0365b1fbdfd9238b9f5cc28491e4e6c7324f1 |
| 09:38.17 | grawity | also https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=d0da0e9c3bb8fe0cd4879ecb24d21715bfaa209b |
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| 09:38.30 | grawity | try lightdm.conf, xserver-command= |
| 09:38.47 | darxmurf | I added this option AllowIndirectGLXProtocol to my xorgs.conf too |
| 09:38.54 | darxmurf | as I'm using nvidia driver |
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| 09:40.07 | darxmurf | let's test |
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| 09:55.24 | darxmurf | hi again |
| 09:55.32 | darxmurf | okay, better but still not working :D |
| 09:55.35 | darxmurf | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
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| 10:02.54 | tpanarch1st | hello :) im running debian 8 - apache2 will not start for love nor money |
| 10:03.04 | tpanarch1st | http://pastebin.com/LaPdZh6a |
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| 10:03.25 | tpanarch1st | im not sure how to put my finger on the issue, i have googled |
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| 10:07.41 | fireba11 | tpanarch1st: had a look at /etc/init.d/apache2: line 91 ? |
| 10:08.16 | fireba11 | tpanarch1st: seems like your whole filesystem got remounted read-only or something |
| 10:08.28 | tpanarch1st | fireba11: akkkkk |
| 10:08.33 | tpanarch1st | is it easy to sort this out |
| 10:09.10 | fireba11 | at least /tmp is read-only .. maybe got remounted read-only due to HD errors |
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| 10:10.32 | tpanarch1st | hmmm where do i start here> |
| 10:10.37 | tpanarch1st | (please) |
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| 10:12.20 | fireba11 | check your hardware :-D |
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| 10:13.31 | tpanarch1st | fireba11: hardware is fin |
| 10:13.31 | tpanarch1st | e |
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| 10:15.49 | fireba11 | tpanarch1st: check if the filesystem is indeed mounted read-only and if so check your logs as to why. |
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| 10:19.37 | tpanarch1st | fireba11: http://pastebin.com/dB4KN1Ld |
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| 10:19.51 | darxmurf | back |
| 10:19.56 | darxmurf | working |
| 10:19.58 | darxmurf | yay |
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| 10:24.13 | darxmurf | so, for this looooooong issue with ssh -X and opengl applications, I could solve the issue adding +iglx in the xorg options |
| 10:24.47 | pial | I want to install the fglrx driver. What is the best way to do so. Will apt-get be enough? |
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| 10:27.47 | tpanarch1st | fireba11: http://pastebin.com/dB4KN1Ld |
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| 10:34.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell pial -about fglrx dkms |
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| 10:38.56 | pial | babilen, that looks real easy. will it work just like that. i have bad experience installing fglrx previously. now i am using the default one |
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| 10:40.49 | msn | pial: most of it is taken care by apt |
| 10:41.04 | msn | all you hve to do is install the correct package |
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| 10:41.23 | babilen | pial: Yes, that should be enough (assuming the version you install supports your card) |
| 10:41.29 | babilen | judd: v fglrx-driver |
| 10:41.30 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1:12-3-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.12-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 1:15.12-2 |
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| 10:42.21 | babilen | pial: A newer version of fglrx-driver is available in jessie-backports and you can install that (if you wish) by configuring jessie-backports in your sources.list and then running "apt-get -t jessie-backports install fglrx-driver" |
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| 10:42.43 | babilen | But basically the installation (and configuration) is as easy as detailed in the factoid dpkg sent you |
| 10:43.32 | g00se | Why on earth would NetworkManager be doing dhcp with eth0 when i've nothing plugged into it and am using wireless?? |
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| 10:44.08 | babilen | g00se: Could you elaborate on that? |
| 10:44.37 | pial | babilen, msn, ok, thanks. I will try it in a vm first, just to be safe. |
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| 10:45.35 | msn | pial: its generally okay to use backports for drivers :) |
| 10:45.41 | g00se | babilen: Feb 19 10:42:57 t410 dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9 |
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| 10:46.06 | babilen | g00se: The interface is obviously up at that point |
| 10:46.16 | msn | or was up at some point |
| 10:46.33 | babilen | g00se: Is this a laptop and might you have used ethernet before? Does that beahviour persist if you restart NM? |
| 10:46.33 | msn | in the near past |
| 10:46.43 | babilen | *behaviour |
| 10:47.03 | g00se | It IS a laptop, and yes, i have used it before |
| 10:47.19 | babilen | Did you put the laptop to sleep while you used it? |
| 10:47.31 | g00se | Surely it can't be stupid enough to fail to know there's nothing plugged in |
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| 10:48.02 | g00se | Yes, but not while using wired afaicr |
| 10:48.16 | babilen | So, does it persist if you restart NM? |
| 10:48.44 | g00se | I can try. I'd prefer to just take down eth0 but ifdown does nothing |
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| 10:51.04 | g00se | babilen: Oh and nm-applet has eth0 grayed out so i can't edit it |
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| 10:52.55 | babilen | So it's not managed by NM, do you have entries for it in /e/n/i -- Seriously, you have to provide more information :) |
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| 10:55.29 | g00se | Oh, so it might not be NM doing that dhcp? |
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| 10:56.56 | g00se | babilen: tbh, i'm a bit confused as to the relationship between 'standard' and NM. /e/n/i == http://sprunge.us/MGKc |
| 10:58.32 | babilen | g00se: Yeah, eth0 is managed by networking. Remove those entries if you want NM to manage eth0. The behaviour you see has *nothing* to do with NM, but with your manual configuration. |
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| 10:59.15 | g00se | How come i can't (apparently) take it down then with ifdown? |
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| 11:00.55 | Jerub | If I wanted to map keys on my keyboard (like those useless F16-F19) to emoji characters, how would I do that? I'm running gnome3 fwiw. |
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| 11:01.38 | g00se | babilen: and i suppose the other question is why Debian is trying to do dhcp on an unconnected Ethernet interface? |
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| 11:02.12 | babilen | g00se: You could use something like ifplugd, but then .. just use NM, it does the right thing |
| 11:02.53 | g00se | I can't actually remember now why i moved it out of just NM control |
| 11:03.19 | babilen | So .. remove those entries and be happy. And do not blame NM for something it didn't do. |
| 11:04.19 | g00se | Sorry NM ;) |
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| 11:07.03 | g00se | And thanks babilen! |
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| 11:34.06 | bumbar_ | i've created a cronjob under account which is locked with passwd -l and chage -E 0, but now am getting cron: authentication failure error when it tries to run the job |
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| 11:37.27 | oneand0 | getting lxc-start: Seccomp error -17 (Unknown error -17) ... jessie lxc, pointers anyone ? |
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| 11:41.29 | bumbar_ | i've created /etc/cron.allow file and added user to it, but still getting auth error |
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| 11:41.51 | BlackPanx | guys |
| 11:41.51 | xai | oneand0: strace? |
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| 11:42.18 | BlackPanx | can someone do: curl -L https://dl.bintray.com/typesafe/ivy-releases/org.scala-sbt/sbt-launch/0.13.5/sbt-launch.jar and tell me if they get data... on updated system. |
| 11:42.34 | BlackPanx | curl: (60) SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate |
| 11:42.37 | BlackPanx | this is what i get |
| 11:42.40 | BlackPanx | now try and wget it |
| 11:42.43 | BlackPanx | and it will work |
| 11:42.45 | tpanarch1st | hi is this an Ok replacement? http://pastebin.com/xTNR6b61 |
| 11:42.48 | BlackPanx | both use same ca-certificates. |
| 11:43.00 | BlackPanx | is this a bug? |
| 11:43.17 | xai | BlackPanx: the curl command works on my machine. |
| 11:43.23 | BlackPanx | ii ca-certificates 20141019+deb8u1 all Common CA certificates |
| 11:43.29 | BlackPanx | do you have these certificates ? |
| 11:43.33 | BlackPanx | jessie? |
| 11:44.09 | xai | BlackPanx: https://dpaste.de/dFh3 |
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| 11:44.57 | BlackPanx | can you verify you have these ca-certificates ? deb8u1 |
| 11:44.59 | xai | ca-certificates 20141019 |
| 11:45.01 | BlackPanx | cause i think these are broken |
| 11:45.06 | BlackPanx | you don't have ca-certificates updated. |
| 11:45.24 | BlackPanx | apt-get install ca-certificates , so you get +deb8u1 ... and it will be broken |
| 11:45.42 | BlackPanx | default 20141019 without updated ca-certificates to latest, works perfectly. |
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| 11:45.46 | xai | Strange errors while the updating: https://dpaste.de/erSh |
| 11:46.04 | xai | And yes, now the curl command is broken |
| 11:46.09 | BlackPanx | ... |
| 11:46.16 | xai | curl: (60) SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate |
| 11:46.20 | BlackPanx | damn |
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| 11:48.11 | oneand0 | xai: thanks .. looks like cgroup related, think i continue 2mrw, late here. |
| 11:48.25 | BlackPanx | you can still install http://www.artila.com/download/deb/all/ca-certificates_20141019-r0_all.deb to get it working again i think, but... |
| 11:48.32 | BlackPanx | this thing is broken in debian |
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| 11:48.40 | BlackPanx | someone packaged ca-certificates wrongly |
| 11:48.48 | BlackPanx | or something... no idea what's wrong. |
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| 11:55.39 | xai | BlackPanx: try openssl s_client ;) |
| 11:55.46 | BlackPanx | wget works |
| 11:55.51 | BlackPanx | gnutls works |
| 11:55.55 | BlackPanx | curl is broken |
| 11:56.07 | BlackPanx | openssl s_client works... |
| 11:56.15 | BlackPanx | only curl breaks. for some reason |
| 11:56.20 | xai | BlackPanx: openssl broken |
| 11:56.24 | xai | wget uses ssl |
| 11:56.27 | BlackPanx | is it ? |
| 11:56.28 | xai | wget uses gnutls |
| 11:56.33 | xai | curl uses ssl |
| 11:56.41 | xai | Seems there the difference |
| 11:56.54 | BlackPanx | wget uses same /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt ... |
| 11:56.57 | xai | wget uses ssl â a typo, ignore :) |
| 11:56.58 | BlackPanx | i did strace it |
| 11:57.52 | xai | BlackPanx: A wild guess: may be libssl and libgnutls uses different trust policies? |
| 11:58.37 | xai | However it's a wasting of your time, sorry. |
| 11:58.42 | donnoc | Hi ... Is there a way to change the size of two partitions on a runing system while each partition has files in it |
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| 12:00.10 | xai | donnoc: It's a FS-depended task. For example: man 8 resize2fs |
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| 12:00.22 | BlackPanx | xai is it possible that sha1 is problem here... |
| 12:00.43 | donnoc | xai: thx, i will look for it |
| 12:00.46 | xai | BlackPanx: Seems it is |
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| 12:00.55 | xai | I tried another site with SHA1 -- the same error |
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| 12:01.51 | BlackPanx | really ? |
| 12:01.52 | BlackPanx | omg |
| 12:01.53 | BlackPanx | crap |
| 12:02.05 | BlackPanx | need more testing i think |
| 12:02.11 | BlackPanx | i'll try more sites with sha1 |
| 12:02.17 | BlackPanx | sha2 sites work properly |
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| 12:03.50 | PixelGGamer | Hello |
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| 12:06.54 | BlackPanx | xai is it possible debian deprecated sha1 in general ? thru ca-certificates ? |
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| 12:07.21 | xai | BlackPanx: I'm just an user, sorry. I don't know :) |
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| 12:10.35 | masterkorp | Hello |
| 12:11.00 | masterkorp | Does anyone know an updated openssl repository for debian jessie? I need openssl 1.0.2+ |
| 12:11.45 | markybob | masterkorp: there isn't one. but why do you need 1.0.2? |
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| 12:13.10 | masterkorp | i need it to generate ECC Eliptical Curve certificates |
| 12:13.25 | BlackPanx | xai can you give me your sites with sha1? i have hard time finding them... need proof of concept, so that i can show my superior that this indeed is a problem |
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| 12:13.39 | xai | BlackPanx: mail.campus.mephi.ru, org.mephi.ru |
| 12:14.01 | markybob | ,checkbackport openssl |
| 12:14.02 | judd | Backporting package openssl in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 12:14.11 | markybob | !ssb |
| 12:14.11 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 12:14.13 | themill | that is not going to work out well |
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| 12:14.34 | BlackPanx | xai thank you. |
| 12:14.42 | xai | You're welcome :) |
| 12:14.58 | masterkorp | markybob: thanks |
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| 12:15.53 | yeehi | kernlog and syslog in /var/logs are very large on a new system (Stretch). Why are they so big? How can this be fixed? |
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| 12:16.44 | markybob | yeehi: because there's a lot of things that go on with a system. there is no fix. and stretch support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
| 12:17.21 | yeehi | thank you very much, markybob! btw, why is support for Stretch "over there"? |
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| 12:18.00 | xai | yeehi: The problem is "unreadability" or "a lot of used space"? |
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| 12:18.04 | markybob | yeehi: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
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| 12:19.51 | yeehi | xai - The logfile keeps growing. I am not good at reading them but it looks like it is to do with nouveau and kernel: [56147.297048] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: priv: GPC4: 5233e4 badf1301 (01024215) |
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| 12:20.50 | xai | yeehi: You can discard "kern.info" logs |
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| 12:20.55 | tinyhippo | im |
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| 12:21.20 | masterkorp | Is there an apt equivalent flag for aptitude -t <repo> ? |
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| 12:21.36 | yeehi | xai - tried this, they come back rapidly. Tried nulling them, to reduce size. They grow back. (>1GB in a day) |
| 12:22.01 | krasimir | hi all , trying for a first time to compile the latest kernel 4.4.2 and it all completed fine , but it doesn't boot. the system is with softraid |
| 12:22.03 | xai | yeehi: You can discard all the "kern.*" :) |
| 12:22.17 | xai | discard -- disable it in /etc/*syslog.conf |
| 12:22.29 | krasimir | I copied a working config file from the 4.3 kernel for the make |
| 12:22.49 | markybob | krasimir: how did you compile it? |
| 12:23.03 | xai | Or you can setup your logrotate to rotate more often. |
| 12:23.26 | xai | Or you can use remote syslog server (as a log archive with a lot of disk space) |
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| 12:23.48 | ewew | I would try to find what exactly is causing this. |
| 12:23.50 | xai | Or you can disable syslog at all |
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| 12:24.11 | ewew | xai If you want supprises. |
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| 12:25.39 | xai | yeehi: Also I don't know, but may be you should just set loglevel: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 12:25.45 | xai | (of kernel) |
| 12:25.46 | krasimir | markybob: downloading the src from kernel.ord --> copy the config file from the working kernel , cp /boot/config-4.3.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 .config ---> make --> make install --> make modules_install |
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| 12:26.16 | xai | You can start by playing with /sys/module/printk/parameters/ignore_loglevel |
| 12:26.23 | krasimir | the error in grub is that cannot access /dev/md1 which is the softraid |
| 12:26.23 | markybob | krasimir: what you should have done is follow debian's kernel handbook. http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package |
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| 12:27.01 | krasimir | markybob: ok , will try now |
| 12:27.24 | yeehi | OK, xai, I think the cause is kernel: [56147.297048] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: priv: GPC4: 5233e4 badf1301 (01024215) |
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| 12:27.40 | yeehi | which occurs repeatedly in the log |
| 12:28.23 | masterkorp | markybob: unfortunely, an apt-get -t jessie-backports install openssl gave me this https://ptpb.pw/0rua |
| 12:29.00 | markybob | masterkorp: i never told you it was in backports. i told you it was able to be backported to jessie and use ssb |
| 12:29.14 | markybob | !tell masterkorp about ssb |
| 12:29.28 | masterkorp | markybob: yeah, i was aware of that |
| 12:29.35 | masterkorp | just wanted to try |
| 12:29.49 | masterkorp | I am curious on how hard it would be to compile openssl from source |
| 12:30.04 | markybob | masterkorp: not hard if you follow what the bot told you with ssb |
| 12:30.23 | masterkorp | I will check the PM from the bot, thank you. |
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| 12:33.39 | Mathisen | anyway to check a computer bios boot order ? using only ssh |
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| 12:34.34 | markybob | Mathisen: no |
| 12:35.07 | Mathisen | markybob, :( any idea what i should do then.. i messed upp my grub i need to re-install but dont remember if server boot from sda or sdb ... |
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| 12:35.23 | Mathisen | if i choose wrong no boot and im **** :( |
| 12:35.55 | markybob | Mathisen: i'd guess sda. 99 out of 100 that's it. |
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| 12:36.12 | markybob | Mathisen: but yeah...you could be fucked |
| 12:36.15 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, if you can dump your cmos data and you manage to decode/read the values you might find the boot order |
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| 12:36.31 | Mathisen | yeah i know that.. but something in the back of my head is telling me that i messed with bios boot order some time ago |
| 12:37.17 | Mathisen | maybe i put this on ice... and just let it run until i can access it physical... |
| 12:37.27 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, can you use the PXE-netboot way? |
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| 12:38.34 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, obviously I don't know your setup |
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| 12:40.02 | Mathisen | hang on someone in #ubuntu recomended me " smbios-utils " trying now |
| 12:40.11 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, maybe you can check your grub.cfg |
| 12:41.09 | tako | Hello anyone living in Europe can say me what is the average speed there and Have quota ? |
| 12:43.04 | AnD[a]LeS | Can someone please explain to me what tha variables "$!, $$, $0, $1, $2, etc." are? |
| 12:43.06 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, if the server is the same machine that you are SSHing you can check GRUB config files to determine the boot order, or you can mount the other hard disk and then check on this |
| 12:43.25 | markybob | AnD[a]LeS: for basic bash scripting you should go to #bash |
| 12:43.33 | AnD[a]LeS | I understand that "$!" returns the pid of the previous application ran, and "$$".. |
| 12:43.36 | AnD[a]LeS | Okay. Thanks. |
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| 12:43.57 | Mathisen | [1]anaconda, my old grub config is on a usb :( that was the problem i messed upp.. and the usb is not even in the computer anymore so it does not have a grub now |
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| 12:46.34 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, got it |
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| 12:49.01 | Mathisen | okej so no luck with smbios-utils :( |
| 12:49.19 | Mathisen | if anyone got any suggestion this is the time to shine :) |
| 12:49.37 | PixelGGamer | Anyone knows how to update bios using debian? |
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| 12:49.48 | ashes-mobile | hello |
| 12:49.53 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, I'm googling for you :) |
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| 12:50.44 | markybob | Mathisen: i really don't think there is a way |
| 12:51.07 | ashes-mobile | i have a netbook that needs non-free wireless and ethernet drivers. it can't get online with the stock installer. i also have debian on another computer. is there a way to download the needed packages and depends to a usb stick? |
| 12:51.28 | markybob | ashes-mobile: i told you last night to use the firmware installer |
| 12:51.50 | markybob | ashes-mobile: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ not stock. that one. |
| 12:52.25 | karlpinc | [1]anaconda: If you're looking to recover data, boot from the installer in rescue mode. |
| 12:52.28 | ashes-mobile | markybob: thanks |
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| 12:52.42 | karlpinc | [1]anaconda: At least you can then mount things and look around. |
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| 12:53.30 | [1]anaconda | karlpinc, thank you but Mathisen is having trouble with that :) |
| 12:53.32 | karlpinc | ashes-mobile: The install guide has instructions for how to download and install non-free firmware on a usb stick. |
| 12:54.10 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, try installing the package dmidecode |
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| 12:55.10 | Mathisen | [1]anaconda, yeah tried that http://paste.ubuntu.com/15130837/ |
| 12:55.14 | Mathisen | nothing |
| 12:55.21 | Mathisen | alot if info but no boot order :( |
| 12:55.48 | Mathisen | [1]anaconda, thx for the help, but i think we leave this now.. seems to be best to wait until i get physical access |
| 12:56.00 | Mathisen | that way everything will work 100% |
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| 12:57.17 | Mathisen | gives a cookie to [1]anaconda for the help |
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| 12:58.02 | nkuttler | vi |
| 12:58.26 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, ok, thanks, but have a look here: https://deployhappiness.com/manage-the-dell-bios-remotely/ |
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| 12:59.53 | Mathisen | will read |
| 13:00.12 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, it is an utility that allow you to do what you're asking |
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| 13:00.43 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, but it's for Windows, but it comes both CLI and GUI flavours |
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| 13:01.03 | Mathisen | [1]anaconda, i got win10 in a VM can try it |
| 13:01.31 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, if you manage to run it (via Wine, VM, VPN, dosbox :) |
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| 13:01.35 | PixelGGamer | How do I update bios on debian? |
| 13:01.41 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, perfect!! |
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| 13:02.48 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, FYI I searched this: "dell optiplex retrieve boot order remotely" |
| 13:03.04 | Mathisen | [1]anaconda, is not that program ment to be run on the machine it self... not remotely |
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| 13:05.44 | atralheaven | Hello, how can I search files under N mb in file manager? |
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| 13:06.31 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, where do you have the Win10 VM? On the server or with you? |
| 13:06.44 | Mathisen | with me... |
| 13:06.55 | Mathisen | no windows on server... |
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| 13:08.12 | BlackPanx | xai https://www.httpsnow.org/ has sha1 and it does work... so it's not exactly sha1 related i think |
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| 13:08.53 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, sorry, I know it's sounds messy but you can install wine and then purge everything |
| 13:09.09 | Gr1 | Hi everyone |
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| 13:09.28 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, maybe is there a version which doesn't require the X server |
| 13:09.30 | Mathisen | [1]anaconda, yeah installing wine then i need to figure out what it needs for it work.. lets move on :) |
| 13:09.45 | Gr1 | I was wondering if I can extend openldap schema to accomodate AD attributes? |
| 13:09.46 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, wait a moment |
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| 13:09.49 | Mathisen | im gonna ask in a few other channels also |
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| 13:10.54 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, you should compare which is more convenient to you: you could install a virtualbox VM server and install a minimal WIN on it and then run the infamous utility |
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| 13:11.15 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, but I don't know if inside the VM the utility will work |
| 13:11.36 | bumbar_ | i've created a cronjob under account which is locked with passwd -l and chage -E 0, added the user to /etc/cron.allow but am getting an error saying cron: authentication failure error when it tries to run the job |
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| 13:11.49 | markybob | there's no way a VM would have access to system BIOS like that |
| 13:12.09 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, also keep in mind how much it costs you to do these things and how much it costs driving to that server |
| 13:12.12 | [1]anaconda | :D |
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| 13:12.39 | Mathisen | hehe |
| 13:12.45 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, sorry for my ugly English |
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| 13:13.29 | Nikus | Hello |
| 13:13.30 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, good luck ;) come back if you need help |
| 13:13.41 | Mathisen | [1]anaconda, will do |
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| 13:16.06 | Nikus | I have still not been able to figure out how to give write permissions to subfolders only while the parrent is read only for specific users, could anyone help me figure out what i'm doing wrong? |
| 13:16.39 | Nikus | I tried chmod 777 -R subfolder |
| 13:16.54 | Nikus | lso triedchanging ownershi but no luck |
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| 13:18.39 | [1]anaconda | bumbar_, is that user listed in /etc/shadow? |
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| 13:20.46 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, in addition you have to use chown and chgrp |
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| 13:21.40 | bumbar_ | :wq |
| 13:21.48 | doudou0 | i want to complain about gnome by defaut destop. it is too much stupid, you need to make so many click to change destop, when you are in destop 2 and want to open another firefox it sends you to desktop 1 if firefox was already open |
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| 13:22.02 | bumbar_ | [1]anaconda, yeah |
| 13:22.02 | Mathisen | [1]anaconda, if you want to know people in #linux sorted it " racadm " |
| 13:22.13 | Nikus | [1]anaconda: i did chown User1:User1 after that the ls -l commands lists User1 as group this is not the same thing? |
| 13:22.56 | Nikus | oh you are very busy i'm sorry |
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| 13:23.47 | [1]anaconda | Mathisen, wow, glad to hear this! I'm happy for you and also for me, a tiny piece of knowledge added ;) |
| 13:24.01 | Mathisen | :) |
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| 13:26.07 | [1]anaconda | bumbar_, my only advice is to check the added user (or try with a regular user) and create a blank cron.deny file |
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| 13:26.32 | [1]anaconda | bumbar_, please check the debian wiki, i'm sure you'll find a way |
| 13:27.03 | doudou0 | i am very please you stop naming debian versions whith pet names, did the man who own the pet died? debian 8, now i can easily know what version i run |
| 13:27.16 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, don't worry I'm happy trying to help :) |
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| 13:27.50 | themill | doudou0: do we have to do this again? Can't you just go back to ranting elsewhere? |
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| 13:30.06 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, please check this, you can verify that you are learning correctly :) http://permissions-calculator.org/decode/ |
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| 13:32.37 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, if you want to avoid the conventional wikis and sources, you might check this http://glug.nith.ac.in/blog/file-permissions-in-linux-chown-and-chmod-explained/ |
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| 13:32.46 | doudou0 | glad to see you are not yet dead /themill |
| 13:33.17 | doudou0 | maybe i spoke of tou pets? themill |
| 13:33.41 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, also this is nice http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/06/chown-examples/ |
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| 13:44.30 | Nikus | [1]anaconda: http://paste.debian.net/399174/ |
| 13:44.53 | cuqa_ | hello, keepalived in debian does seem to have some issues. seems like I cannot use vrrp_script |
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| 13:45.18 | krasimir | trying to follow the kernel build for debian and can't understant this error after the command : debian/rules binary-arch ---> debian/rules.real:121: recipe for target 'debian/stamps/source' failed |
| 13:46.10 | cuqa_ | i also cannot dump any settings with "keepalived -d" |
| 13:46.18 | cuqa_ | seems like totally broken tbh |
| 13:46.53 | krasimir | this is an amd64 machine and here is the full output |
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| 13:46.54 | krasimir | http://pastebin.com/ug10zacF |
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| 13:49.26 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, in order to make Subfolder1 accessible only by user User1 and group User1, you have to chmod 771 Subfolder1 |
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| 13:50.03 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, or even chmod 770 to not allow "others" to cd into that dir |
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| 13:57.48 | Nikus | [1]anaconda: well i like everyone to have full acces to /media/Usb0/Subfolder1 (read/write/execute), but User1 may not have (write/execute) permissions in /media/Usb0/ (which is the parent of Subfolder1 |
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| 13:59.36 | Nikus | It starting to look like a Subfolders can not have more acces than it's parent |
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| 14:03.57 | Nikus | If this is true I might have security issues |
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| 14:04.45 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, it's obvious that you must have access to a parent directory in order to cd into it |
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| 14:05.28 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, I think you should change the owner of Usb1 and set the group "User1" |
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| 14:06.20 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, then you should do a chmod and set that the group cannot write or execute |
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| 14:06.22 | Aliekezhi- | Hi, I have a question about the word "fork" : can you use it for a ditribution, or only a program ? For example can you say "ubuntu is a fork of debian" or it only applies to programs, not OSes ? |
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| 14:07.05 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, however if i remember well, applying the execute permission on a directory it means giving or not the ability to cd into it |
| 14:07.21 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, in other words to browse into it |
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| 14:09.20 | [1]anaconda | Aliekezhi-, I think you can use that expression whenever some source code is present :) |
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| 14:10.06 | [1]anaconda | brb |
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| 14:16.08 | Nikus | [1]anaconda: i meant 775 for /media/Usb0/ and 777 for /media/Usb0/Subfolder1, this means the right to cd right? |
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| 14:28.31 | Aliekezhi- | [1]anaconda, ok, ty |
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| 14:39.24 | shibly | Hi, i can't see the blue image on grub, why? |
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| 14:39.33 | shibly | How can i get image on grub list? |
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| 14:40.41 | shibly | I'm getting like this: http://www.texsoft.it/web2005/documents/hardware/storage/boot-raid-squeeze/debian-raid-boot-rc2_html_6622becf.png |
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| 14:40.58 | shibly | But expecting like this: http://maintainer.skolelinux.org/debian-edu-doc/en/debian-edu-jessie-manual-images/22-Tjener_GRUB_boot_menu.png |
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| 14:41.29 | ChrisH | shibly: how often do you boot? I cant even say what my boxes show :) |
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| 14:42.10 | shibly | ChrisH: What do you mean? |
| 14:42.28 | shibly | Is it called splash-image? |
| 14:42.29 | babilen | shibly: He means that there are more important things than the grub image |
| 14:42.39 | babilen | (as you rarely see it) |
| 14:42.59 | shibly | But there was image before. |
| 14:43.07 | shibly | I updated the debian, then it's gone. |
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| 14:43.19 | shibly | How cani get it again? |
| 14:43.27 | ChrisH | shibly: aptitude search splashimages and I assume is missing |
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| 14:44.51 | babilen | shibly: Do you still have desktop-base installed? |
| 14:44.53 | shibly | How can i know if grub or grub2 is installed? |
| 14:45.04 | shibly | No, i have gnome |
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| 14:45.21 | babilen | shibly: So you do *not* have the desktop-base package installed? |
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| 14:45.29 | babilen | (could you please check) |
| 14:45.49 | shibly | aptitude search splashimages returns grub-splashimages and grub2-splashimages , which one should i install? |
| 14:45.55 | babilen | desktop-base |
| 14:45.59 | babilen | ... |
| 14:46.01 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 14:46.14 | shibly | babilen: What would i do with desktop-base? |
| 14:46.23 | babilen | Didn't I already say that? |
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| 14:46.47 | shibly | babilen: How can i check if i have desktop-base? |
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| 14:47.07 | babilen | shibly: You could take a look at the output of "dpkg -l desktop-base" and "apt-cache policy desktop-base" |
| 14:47.24 | shibly | It is installed, i A desktop-base - common files for the Debian Desktop |
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| 14:48.25 | mwallacesd | Hi there |
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| 14:48.27 | babilen | It contains the artwork you are after |
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| 14:48.59 | babilen | shibly: Did you tinker with /etc/default/grub ? |
| 14:49.01 | shibly | https://bpaste.net/show/2b1182687aed , so do i have grub or grub2 installed? |
| 14:49.13 | babilen | grub2 |
| 14:49.52 | babilen | But as I said: desktop-base already contains the artwork you are after (in particular /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png) |
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| 14:50.32 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, that is correct if you want to apply restrictions to the "others" |
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| 14:52.17 | shibly | babilen: May be, i ran update-grub |
| 14:52.20 | Nikus | [1]anaconda: this is how i set it up but it doesnt seem to work |
| 14:53.02 | Nikus | Creating a folder to /media/Usb0/Subfolder gives acces denied |
| 14:53.11 | PixelGGamer | With su? |
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| 14:54.09 | babilen | shibly: So: Did you tinker with /etc/default/grub ? |
| 14:54.19 | shibly | babilen: I think, no |
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| 14:54.45 | Nikus | [1]anaconda: i feel like i'm trying the impossible |
| 14:55.10 | babilen | shibly: Okay, 05_Debian_theme should ensure that the default background image is incorporated from desktop-base .. If you could paste some output and/or your /boot/grub/grub.cfg we might be able to tell |
| 14:55.14 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, don't surrender :) |
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| 14:56.08 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, from which user have you tried creating a dir? |
| 14:56.41 | shibly | babilen: I have run update-grub2 now |
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| 14:57.17 | shibly | babilen: https://bpaste.net/show/5d829f5b3a48 |
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| 14:57.46 | shibly | Should i restart to see the effect? |
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| 14:58.19 | Nikus | [1]anaconda: through SSH |
| 14:58.39 | Nikus | so that would be Admin |
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| 14:59.04 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, type whoami |
| 14:59.19 | babilen | shibly: Do you have /usr/share/images/desktop-base/lines-grub.png ? |
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| 14:59.44 | Nikus | Says Admin |
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| 15:00.39 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, it was you who create that user? |
| 15:01.31 | Nikus | During install yes |
| 15:01.31 | shibly | babilen: Yes |
| 15:01.40 | wewlad | hey, debs. How to clean up stuff broken by avahi? |
| 15:01.44 | babilen | shibly: Then sure .. give it a try |
| 15:01.48 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, you can recognize if you are root (superuser) by checking if there's a # next to the left of the blinking cursor |
| 15:01.57 | abrotman | wewlad: that's vague |
| 15:01.59 | Nikus | so there is root/Admin/User1 |
| 15:02.27 | wewlad | abrotman: ifup/ifdown commands seem to be bound to avahi, even though avahi was removed |
| 15:02.39 | shibly | babilen: Ok, i'm going to restart |
| 15:02.50 | Nikus | yes i'm root atm |
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| 15:03.06 | wewlad | ifdown eth0 says: 'ifdown: interface eth0 not configured' |
| 15:03.24 | wewlad | but 'ifconfig eth0 down' works |
| 15:03.46 | abrotman | So configure it .. |
| 15:04.06 | wewlad | abrotman: ? |
| 15:04.10 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, please explain better your setup |
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| 15:04.27 | wewlad | abrotman: how to configure it? |
| 15:04.34 | abrotman | man interfaces |
| 15:04.35 | Nikus | [1]anaconda: i mean yes there is a # |
| 15:05.06 | Nikus | i'm logged in as Admin |
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| 15:05.23 | wewlad | abrotman: did you notice me saying that 'ifconfig eth0 down' works fine? |
| 15:05.24 | [1]anaconda | so you have created another user with privileges? |
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| 15:05.41 | abrotman | wewlad: what are you bringing down if it's not configured? |
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| 15:05.54 | Nikus | Yes |
| 15:06.07 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, where do you read Admin? it should be in the form root@yourPCname |
| 15:06.08 | wewlad | abrotman: it is configured and running |
| 15:06.20 | wewlad | abrotman: I'm saying ifup/ifdown commands are borked |
| 15:06.35 | abrotman | wewlad: what's in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 15:07.27 | wewlad | abrotman: auto lo, iface lo inet loopback, iface eth0 inet ipv4 |
| 15:07.47 | Nikus | Admin@ASUS1 |
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| 15:08.03 | Nikus | with a # |
| 15:08.21 | abrotman | wewlad: ifup eth0 says what? |
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| 15:08.57 | wewlad | abrotman: couldn't read interfaces file /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:09.20 | wewlad | 'ifconfig eth0 up' works flawlessly |
| 15:09.23 | shibly | babilen: I have got the image now. |
| 15:09.29 | abrotman | couldn't read? |
| 15:09.35 | wewlad | yeah |
| 15:09.41 | abrotman | wewlad: are you doing this as root, or sudo? or what? |
| 15:09.45 | wewlad | root |
| 15:09.51 | wewlad | (su) |
| 15:09.52 | babilen | shibly: Wonderful .. not exactly sure why it was ever missing though |
| 15:10.02 | abrotman | wewlad: pastebin your interfaces file |
| 15:10.30 | wewlad | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/399310/ |
| 15:10.33 | babilen | wewlad: And why wouldn't "ifconfig eth0 up" work if you have that interface. That doesn't mean that it is configured in /e/n/i |
| 15:11.18 | abrotman | wewlad: it's not configured, as I said |
| 15:11.29 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, so have you created multiple maximum-power user? do you use sudo? |
| 15:11.38 | teraflops | wewlad: ifup != ifconfig up |
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| 15:11.47 | babilen | wewlad: Your stanza is wrong. Do you want to configure it with a static or dynamic ip (i.e. dhcp) |
| 15:12.15 | Nikus | no i use su |
| 15:12.35 | wewlad | 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' |
| 15:12.39 | wewlad | is this right? |
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| 15:14.20 | teraflops | wewlad: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration <- |
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| 15:14.47 | babilen | wewlad: That would work, yeah |
| 15:14.53 | [1]anaconda | Nikus, please post the output of cat /etc/passwd as it contains all the user in the system and other useful details.. the passwords aren't there, instead they are crypted in /etc/shadow |
| 15:14.58 | wewlad | babilen: but it doesn't |
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| 15:15.22 | wewlad | teraflops: is 'auto eth0' necessary for ifup/ifdown to work? |
| 15:16.01 | babilen | wewlad: No |
| 15:16.01 | math783 | how do i fix my broken desktop |
| 15:16.02 | teraflops | wewlad: auto is related the nic being enabled at boot |
| 15:16.04 | wewlad | teraflops: because 'man interfaces' contains an example of just iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 15:16.18 | math783 | i instaled two radeon packages now only console works |
| 15:16.18 | teraflops | wewlad: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration <- |
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| 15:16.42 | babilen | wewlad: Why not? What does *actually* happen? And did you ensure that you brought down the interface you brought up with ifconfig before? And, having said that, don't use ifconfig but ip these days |
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| 15:18.43 | wewlad | babilen: http://pastebin.com/PCVGjrjF |
| 15:19.06 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 15:19.06 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 15:19.21 | wewlad | oh, okay |
| 15:19.51 | wewlad | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/399311/ |
| 15:20.21 | babilen | wewlad: "ifdown" != "ifconfig down" != "ip link set eth0 down" |
| 15:20.48 | babilen | So .. bring down you interface with "ip link set eth0 down" -- forget that you ever used ifconfig -- and then run "ifup eth0" |
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| 15:21.36 | wewlad | babilen: this works, thanks |
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| 15:21.55 | mitzelflick | yeah |
| 15:22.05 | wewlad | but why doesn't ifdown work? and how's it different from ip link set eth0 down? |
| 15:22.19 | Nikus | [1]anaconda: http://paste.debian.net/399312/ |
| 15:22.56 | babilen | wewlad: ifdown/ifup bring down interfaces as configured in /e/n/i and do a lot more than the simple ip tool that simply brings up the interface. The first is Debian's network managing solution and a superset of the latter. |
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| 15:23.48 | babilen | wewlad: Your interface was up (you used the deprecated ifconfig to do that), but it had not been configured and brought up with "ifup" .. ifdown therefore didn't work as it realised that you didn't use ifup to bring it up. |
| 15:24.13 | blahman123 | Hi guys, Blond question... Are PCIe fiber channel HBA and PCIe fiber NICs the same.. .... If you have a fiberchannel HBA card could you hook that up to a regular ethernet network? |
| 15:24.17 | Ooze | I'm trying to use FTP to upload to a directory that's symlinked to /var/www/, but I'm getting errors whenever I try to upload |
| 15:24.22 | Ooze | What's the best method to handle this? |
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| 15:24.32 | wewlad | babilen: so now after I executed what you've said, ifdown eth0 should work, right? |
| 15:24.36 | Ooze | I tried doing a mount --bind but I'm not really sure that's what I need |
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| 15:25.01 | babilen | wewlad: It should, yeah |
| 15:25.37 | wewlad | babilen: it worked. U a wizard! |
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| 15:25.53 | c-101 | Hello there |
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| 15:26.37 | wewlad | thank you, babilen |
| 15:26.45 | c-101 | Is the qtbase-abi-5-X-X dependency automatically generated on the qt packages ? |
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| 15:27.14 | c-101 | i am having some trouble with libqt5svg5 and i got to the source package but i cannot see how the package gets that dependencyt |
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| 15:27.31 | kedare | Hello o/ |
| 15:27.45 | babilen | wewlad: You are welcome |
| 15:27.51 | kedare | Is this a good idea to run on sid to have a "Archlinux-like" (rolling release) experience ? |
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| 15:30.16 | babilen | kedare: Read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
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| 15:31.12 | kedare | Maybe testing would more be what I am looking for |
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| 15:32.06 | teraflops | kedare: /imo/ sid breaks a lot more than archlinux, note the /imo/ since i dont want to start a flame, and yeah maybe testing is a better choice |
| 15:32.08 | c-101 | Sid may eat your soul .... :D |
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| 15:32.32 | kedare | teraflops, Okay, that was my main fear :) |
| 15:32.38 | c-101 | With the whole gcc 5 transition sid has been a pain in the ass in the last three months |
| 15:32.46 | kedare | If sid was more unstable than Archlinux or if that was kind of the same |
| 15:33.06 | kedare | (Without trolling :P) |
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| 15:34.10 | Ooze | Any ideas for me? |
| 15:34.17 | PixelGGamer | Nope |
| 15:34.41 | babilen | kedare: You could easily try testing. but you will have to run a testing/unstable mix in order to resolve package removals/transition or security issues. A suitable configuration is detailed in "/msg dpkg tum" |
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| 15:35.14 | babilen | kedare: Having said that: We have a dedicated for discussing testing/unstable setups on irc.oftc.net called #debian-next -- Read the wiki I linked, it applies to testing also |
| 15:35.23 | Ooze | I want to upload to /media/.../x/ and have a link to that in /var/www/ |
| 15:35.25 | kedare | Thanks :) |
| 15:35.34 | babilen | *dedicated channel |
| 15:35.36 | Ooze | but FTP won't let me write toe /media |
| 15:35.42 | mutante | Ooze: use SCP since you already have an SSHD running and forget about FTP |
| 15:35.53 | Ooze | It's a browser addon that uses FTP |
| 15:36.07 | teraflops | Ooze: ftp must die |
| 15:36.11 | PixelGGamer | Noo |
| 15:36.21 | PixelGGamer | slaps teraflops |
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| 15:36.57 | markybob | kedare: unstable is definitely more unstable than arch |
| 15:37.10 | teraflops | !kick PixelGGamer |
| 15:37.10 | dpkg | kicks PixelGGamer in the crotch. |
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| 15:37.27 | PixelGGamer | Ftp wont die |
| 15:37.37 | markybob | kedare: it's also not supported here per /topic |
| 15:37.39 | PixelGGamer | kicks teraflops back |
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| 15:37.44 | teraflops | ok whatever |
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| 15:38.00 | mutante | Ooze: you are making your life harder than it has to be, just scp into /media . no browser, no other protocols, just what you have already installed anyways (annnd it's not super insecure) |
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| 15:38.12 | math029 | help |
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| 15:38.41 | math029 | i cant get to desktop after installing two radeon drivers help |
| 15:38.53 | math029 | ): |
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| 15:39.13 | PixelGGamer | Details? |
| 15:39.16 | mutante | math029: crazy idea.. uninstall them? |
| 15:39.29 | math029 | how do i unistall xd |
| 15:39.36 | math029 | cant find their name |
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| 15:39.48 | babilen | math029: Read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 15:39.57 | babilen | ah, nvm |
| 15:40.16 | usr_bin | hi, i want to delete the last 100 mb of my hard drive, windows seems to place some megabytes to the start and the end of the hdd, each up to 100 mb :O |
| 15:40.20 | usr_bin | dd bs=512 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda count=2048 seek=$((`blockdev --getsz /dev/sda` - 2048)) |
| 15:40.25 | mutante | math029: how did you install them then? |
| 15:40.27 | usr_bin | how can i edit this to 100 mb? |
| 15:41.01 | infopc | math029: aptitude purge "fglrx.*" |
| 15:41.36 | mutante | usr_bin: the total size will be "bs" multiplied by count |
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| 15:42.06 | usr_bin | bs are bytes, no? |
| 15:42.10 | usr_bin | can i type 100M? |
| 15:42.11 | math029 | i instaled with a software |
| 15:42.15 | mutante | usr_bin: yes |
| 15:42.25 | math029 | but guess only one of them should be instaled |
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| 15:42.39 | babilen | math029: "a software" ? |
| 15:42.46 | usr_bin | but what about the last thing? the blockdev? can i type 100M too? |
| 15:42.50 | mutante | "with a software" is like the least specific possible :) |
| 15:42.52 | math029 | package instaler |
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| 15:43.43 | Flashtek | Good afternoon, I have a question regarding pppoe-server supporting kernel mode. Is anyone around that might be able to assist ? |
| 15:43.47 | math029 | the two radeon kernels were instaled guess thats the problem |
| 15:44.03 | math029 | i guess those are the drivers uh right |
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| 15:59.26 | swift110-phone | The desktop formerly known as Gnome2 - http://wp.me/p1MMv3-kT |
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| 16:05.25 | sydney_untangle | swift110-phone: o_O |
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| 16:05.48 | swift110-phone | U like? |
| 16:05.56 | sydney_untangle | swift110-phone: Why are you advertising your blog in here? |
| 16:06.07 | sydney_untangle | swift110-phone: This is a main channel. ;) |
| 16:06.12 | sydney_untangle | swift110-phone: Its interesting. |
| 16:06.21 | swift110-phone | Mate is on debian |
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| 16:07.03 | markybob | swift110-phone: it's still off topic and annoying. you can use #debian-offtopic on OFTC |
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| 16:13.12 | petemc | debby1: dpkg -L foo , or debsums, depending on what you mean by verify |
| 16:14.16 | debby1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:14.49 | debby1 | only /usr/share/doc stuff however |
| 16:14.55 | debby1 | trying to install postgresql |
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| 16:17.00 | seoner | hi what encryption are debian using by default? |
| 16:17.48 | seoner | i was thinking about the encryption in installer (install with encryption) |
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| 16:19.01 | markybob | debby1: are you using jessie? |
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| 16:22.01 | SkepticalParrot | I am trying to block twitter using the /etc/hosts file. |
| 16:22.06 | SkepticalParrot | I put in this info: |
| 16:22.08 | SkepticalParrot | 127.0.1.1 www.twitter.com twitter |
| 16:22.22 | SkepticalParrot | And I'm not being forwarded to my localhost. |
| 16:22.32 | SkepticalParrot | Is there a reason for this? |
| 16:22.36 | LambdaComplex | SkepticalParrot: shouldn't that be 127.0.0.1? |
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| 16:23.05 | SkepticalParrot | 127.0.1.1 works, too. |
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| 16:23.42 | SkepticalParrot | I get forwarded to my localhost if I type 127.0.1.1 |
| 16:23.46 | Tom01 | You could try 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:23.51 | c-101 | SkepticalParrot, are you using a proxy ? |
| 16:23.59 | c-101 | name resolution is done by the proxy :D |
| 16:24.16 | SkepticalParrot | c-181 not that I know of. I don't remember setting up a proxy server. |
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| 16:25.37 | SkepticalParrot | Tom01: nope... still sent to twitter. |
| 16:26.05 | Ooze | sudo nano /etc/hosts |
| 16:26.13 | Ooze | whoops |
| 16:27.22 | c-101 | if you ping to www.twitter.com which one is the IP shown ? |
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| 16:28.01 | SkepticalParrot | I have 2 different pings... their ip address and my localhost. |
| 16:28.09 | SkepticalParrot | It depends how I ping them though. |
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| 16:28.17 | SkepticalParrot | If I ping twitter.com: I get their IP... |
| 16:28.32 | SkepticalParrot | but add www. in front of the address... |
| 16:28.35 | SkepticalParrot | I get localhost. |
| 16:28.51 | SkepticalParrot | Should I try adding both to the /etc/hosts file? |
| 16:28.55 | c-101 | yep, that's expected, you added to hosts www.twitter.com and twitter |
| 16:29.01 | c-101 | but twitter.com is a different host ;) |
| 16:29.06 | SkepticalParrot | ah. |
| 16:29.09 | abrotman | It does what you tell it .. not what you mean |
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| 16:29.39 | c-101 | that's partly why hosts masking for hosts is a bit 'hacky' |
| 16:30.08 | SkepticalParrot | ok... so pinging both returns to my localhost... |
| 16:30.17 | SkepticalParrot | but when I visit that site with the browser... |
| 16:30.24 | debby2 | markybob: what's jessie? |
| 16:30.25 | SkepticalParrot | that's a different response. |
| 16:30.41 | c-101 | debby2, current stable release |
| 16:30.52 | SkepticalParrot | kk nevermind. Had to restart firefox. |
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| 16:31.11 | debby2 | oh yea |
| 16:31.14 | debby2 | debian 8 |
| 16:31.25 | debby2 | I am :) |
| 16:32.05 | markybob | debby2: so apt-get install postgresql-9.4 should do it |
| 16:32.06 | c-101 | How can i get in touch with the qt-kde mantainer team ? |
| 16:32.16 | c-101 | the qt5 packages are a mess! |
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| 16:33.29 | abrotman | c-101: did you check the contact info in the package? |
| 16:34.26 | c-101 | i meant in an irc channel or similar |
| 16:34.28 | c-101 | e-mail i know |
| 16:34.57 | debby2 | markybob: ah, i see |
| 16:35.15 | kion | I found a process called Tracker-[something] what does that do? |
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| 16:35.30 | kion | sorry it was tracker-extract |
| 16:35.32 | debby2 | i just don't know how to login as postgres |
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| 16:36.59 | c-101 | debby2, su postgres from root user |
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| 16:37.18 | c-101 | we use it for our ERP and in the docs it says to use like that |
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| 16:37.33 | debby2 | c-101: thank you! :) |
| 16:37.46 | c-101 | and then the usual psql and so on |
| 16:38.42 | kion | c-101 Are you using Odoo? |
| 16:38.49 | c-101 | kion, yep |
| 16:39.00 | kion | c-101 cool, me too. |
| 16:39.35 | c-101 | :D |
| 16:39.53 | c-101 | Do you use the nightly repo or do you deploy using other method ? |
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| 16:55.28 | jcadduono | hi, is there a way to pipe find to sort to xargs? i'm trying find -print0 | sort -z | xargs -0 however sort -z takes away null terminators so it just sends 1 line of everything to xargs |
| 16:56.07 | blind | Why not just use find's -exec ? |
| 16:56.25 | blind | oh, sort. hm. |
| 16:56.27 | jcadduono | does find's exec magically sort before exec |
| 16:56.45 | jcadduono | :p |
| 16:57.02 | blind | you could potentially still sort them by spawning a shell and sorting the arguments.. not sure what would be best here. |
| 16:57.03 | petemc | use while read |
| 16:57.38 | jcadduono | i suppose that's an alternative ok |
| 16:57.44 | blind | you should check with #bash - those guys are smart :) |
| 16:57.58 | blind | s/guys/people/ |
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| 17:02.01 | jcadduono | find "folderofshellscripts/" -type f -print0 | sort -z | while read -d'' -r shscript; do sh $shscript; done |
| 17:02.03 | jcadduono | winner |
| 17:04.27 | Jonuz | are you wanna die? |
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| 17:04.40 | jcadduono | err nevermind, i think i need to fix the delimiter |
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| 17:11.12 | jcadduono | -d'' = -d'-' sign |
| 17:11.13 | jcadduono | sigh |
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| 17:31.48 | baedert | hey, I have a problem with a debian package. hicolor-icon-theme is severly outdated, there was a release over almost a year ago. There's a bug open about it but the maintainer seem unresponsive (no reply in a month). What to do? |
| 17:32.51 | markybob | baedert: that's because that's about the time jessie froze |
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| 17:35.16 | baedert | markybob: means there won't be a release in any case? |
| 17:35.42 | markybob | baedert: right. you probably have to wait another year before that gets updated |
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| 18:06.16 | fearnothing | if I need to manually specify a DNS server during initial setup, how do I get at the options? the network config section just assumes DHCP, doesn't even have the option to chose a manual setup |
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| 18:07.23 | markybob | fearnothing: yes it does. anyway you can go into a terminal and edit /etc/resolv.conf manually |
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| 18:08.47 | nkuttler | well, you have to drop to a shell |
| 18:09.02 | markybob | i think that's what i just said |
| 18:11.10 | nkuttler | that's not inside the network config section though |
| 18:11.42 | markybob | if you cancel out it will let you manually edit the network within the installer itself |
| 18:12.08 | fearnothing | tried that, it just said the autoconfig had succeeded, no matter how quickly I cancelled |
| 18:12.35 | fearnothing | er wat |
| 18:12.41 | fearnothing | vi not found |
| 18:12.46 | markybob | fearnothing: nano |
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| 18:13.58 | fearnothing | don't know how I'd live without vi/vim :P |
| 18:14.42 | fearnothing | thank you very much, install is working now :) |
| 18:15.04 | fearnothing | I thought that vi was the default basic editor for some reason |
| 18:15.22 | nkuttler | fearnothing: are you using netinst? |
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| 18:15.40 | fearnothing | looks like it |
| 18:15.46 | nkuttler | vim is bigger than nano, and nano is a little friendlier for new users |
| 18:15.54 | fearnothing | yeah that's true |
| 18:15.55 | nkuttler | so, not included |
| 18:16.10 | fearnothing | I understand vim not being there, but thought that vi would be |
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| 18:20.36 | wewlad | how to _properly_ add an existing user to an existing group? is it okay if I just edit "/etc/group"? |
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| 18:21.26 | nkuttler | wewlad: man adduser |
| 18:21.31 | wewlad | ok |
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| 18:21.58 | petn-randall | wewlad: Use 'adduser <user> <group>'. Never edit those files by hand, as it can brick you system. |
| 18:22.03 | markybob | wewlad: there are several ways. useradd -G groupname username |
| 18:22.42 | wewlad | is adduser != useradd ? |
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| 18:23.20 | nkuttler | wewlad: yes |
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| 18:23.31 | wewlad | but they do the same thing? |
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| 18:23.46 | markybob | not technically. you can md5sum them to see they don't match |
| 18:23.48 | wewlad | cries 'debian, why??' |
| 18:23.52 | nkuttler | only kind of |
| 18:24.25 | petn-randall | What are you crying over? |
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| 18:26.07 | SerajewelKS | adduser is a bit more user-friendly |
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| 18:26.52 | SerajewelKS | for example, it's easier to add a user to a group with adduser |
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| 18:28.40 | wewlad | mass disconnections and mass reconnections, wtf is happening? |
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| 18:28.42 | wewlad | SerajewelKS: freenode gets some fun? |
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| 18:28.46 | SerajewelKS | wewlad: one of the freenode servers, or a network link between them, was disrupted |
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| 18:29.01 | nkuttler | wewlad: just ignore it, or #freenode |
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| 18:29.01 | markybob | wewlad: it happens a lot. you can have you client ignore them so you don't see it |
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| 18:29.01 | wewlad | I can't just ignore it, I don't see the log |
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| 18:29.04 | shaun413 | hi all |
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| 18:29.12 | shaun413 | im having issue running apt-update without errors |
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| 18:29.18 | shaun413 | Im not fetching 3 files |
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| 18:29.26 | markybob | shaun413: great. pastebin your sources.list |
| 18:29.27 | SerajewelKS | markybob: he mentioned useradd, which is similar in the way it operates to usermod. my point was that adduser is not really a duplicate command. it encapsulates some common useradd/usermod operations in a less arcane syntax. |
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| 18:29.38 | shaun413 | http://pastebin.com/M7A1pkZr |
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| 18:29.52 | markybob | why do people keep saying similar equals the same? it doesn't |
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| 18:30.00 | shaun413 | ive pasted it |
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| 18:30.10 | SerajewelKS | markybob: that's exactly my point |
| 18:30.20 | SerajewelKS | shaun413: which files does it fail to fetch? |
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| 18:30.34 | shaun413 | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/main/binary-amd64/PackagesIndex |
| 18:30.38 | shaun413 | most importantly^ |
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| 18:30.51 | shaun413 | and some ppa.launchpad onestoo |
| 18:31.02 | SerajewelKS | shaun413: PPAs are not part of debian, they are part of ubuntu |
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| 18:31.06 | SerajewelKS | shaun413: do not use them with debian |
| 18:31.11 | shaun413 | well.. |
| 18:31.15 | shaun413 | doesnt matter. |
| 18:31.18 | markybob | shaun413: that breaks shit |
| 18:31.21 | shaun413 | i need this debain file |
| 18:31.26 | shaun413 | markybob: how do I remove them |
| 18:31.36 | socomm | For find -type can I specify an or statement? |
| 18:31.39 | markybob | shaun413: anyway you should definitely delete your deb cdrom lines |
| 18:31.40 | tjcarter | The Oracle installer works if you need Java, but generally, yes, don't. |
| 18:31.46 | markybob | shaun413: sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:32.00 | greycat | socomm: find ... \( -iname '*.txt' -o -iname '*.pdf' \) ... |
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| 18:32.11 | markybob | shaun413: this is what your sources.list should look like https://paste.debian.net/plain/378523 |
| 18:32.17 | MrTrump | Hi I used lvm to shrink swap, and did swapoff -a before, and ever tried reboot |
| 18:32.22 | quantic | No one should NEED Oracle Java. OpenJDK is the reference implementation of the Java spec. |
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| 18:32.26 | MrTrump | swapon -a given error swapon: /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-lv_swap: swapon failed: Invalid argument |
| 18:32.41 | SerajewelKS | MrTrump: did you mkswap after shrinking it |
| 18:32.44 | MrTrump | /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-lv_swap none swap sw 0 0 |
| 18:32.49 | MrTrump | this looks legit |
| 18:32.54 | MrTrump | oow nope |
| 18:32.55 | shaun413 | what do I need to delete? |
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| 18:33.16 | shaun413 | could I just copy paste that markybob ? |
| 18:33.17 | markybob | shaun413: make it look exactly like what i showed you. delete it all and add that |
| 18:33.22 | markybob | shaun413: yes |
| 18:33.55 | fearnothing | why doesn't resolv.conf update when I do ifdown eth0; ifup eth0? |
| 18:34.05 | greycat | shaun413: from your pastebin, keep lines 5-13 and delete everything else, ESPECIALLY that panda3d thing, whatever the hell *that* is |
| 18:34.06 | shaun413 | omg |
| 18:34.11 | shaun413 | whyt cant I hold down |
| 18:34.13 | shaun413 | shit |
| 18:34.19 | shaun413 | holddown arrow keys |
| 18:34.22 | shaun413 | or backspace |
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| 18:34.28 | shaun413 | i have to click each one |
| 18:34.32 | SerajewelKS | shaun413: please don't flood |
| 18:34.34 | fearnothing | I know rebooting will fix it but I know there's another way |
| 18:34.36 | SerajewelKS | !enter |
| 18:34.37 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:34.39 | fearnothing | I thought it was to bounce the interface |
| 18:34.43 | fearnothing | but that's not working |
| 18:35.11 | shaun413 | anyway to easily delete the whole file in nano';/ |
| 18:35.36 | greycat | fearnothing: cycling the interface will only affect resolv.conf if you're using DHCP, and requesting nameservers (which is the default), and the DHCP server sends nameservers to you, and you didn't adjust anything. |
| 18:35.40 | markybob | shaun413: ctrl+k will remove each line |
| 18:35.57 | shaun413 | thanks |
| 18:36.18 | markybob | shaun413: and if you're actually typing and not copying/pasting...be very careful |
| 18:36.26 | shaun413 | I cp |
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| 18:36.33 | fearnothing | ah so if I've specified nameservers in /etc/networking/interfaces but it's still failing to resolve stuff, would that be because it's reading the old resolv.conf? |
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| 18:37.04 | greycat | I don't know all of the ways Debian can be configured to use/abuse/misuse resolv.conf. There are *so* many. |
| 18:37.12 | shaun413 | Thanks! my issue is solved |
| 18:37.20 | markybob | shaun413: you're welcome |
| 18:37.25 | RoyK | hm... seems if I set bantime in jail.conf for fail2ban, it doesn't listen at all and falls back to the old 600s timeout |
| 18:37.29 | shaun413 | On thing though, pressing arrow keys or backspace, I cant hold it down to move multiple letters |
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| 18:38.13 | markybob | RoyK: you realize fail2ban isn't realtime? |
| 18:38.15 | greycat | Arrow keys held down work as expected for me, in nano, in rxvt-unicode, in jessie. Are you in X, or on the Linux text console? |
| 18:38.22 | shaun413 | x |
| 18:38.22 | MrTrump | ok I did mkswap to the lvm device and it generated new uuid and failed |
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| 18:38.28 | fearnothing | ok, let's go back to the root of the issue |
| 18:38.34 | MrTrump | now I try mkswap -U uuid of swap from fastab and it fails |
| 18:38.41 | greycat | Maybe you somehow altered X's keyboard repeat rate. There's an xset command for that, I think. |
| 18:38.44 | MrTrump | how do i clean out the other uuid that mkswap created? |
| 18:38.48 | shaun413 | ok i will look |
| 18:38.58 | RoyK | markybob: it reads logfiles, but after getting restarted, it should ban stuff for > 600s when I've told it to |
| 18:39.01 | greycat | There could also be stupid desktop environment "features" for it, so you should look for those first if you're in a fancy-pants DE. |
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| 18:39.16 | markybob | i'm in xfce in jessie using xfce4-terminal and it works as expected |
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| 18:39.34 | fearnothing | my box is attempting to resolve DNS via the IP it got from DHCP. I've since changed the networking/interfaces file to use static IP and a manually specified DNS server, but it's still trying to resolve via the old IP |
| 18:39.35 | wewlad | I'm reading 'man ssh' and can't figure out where's my conf. file is / should be |
| 18:39.54 | fearnothing | even after I've renamed resolv.conf and restarted networking service |
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| 18:40.01 | fearnothing | what have I missed from the process? |
| 18:40.04 | greycat | wewlad: it does not exist by default. You can create ~/.ssh/config |
| 18:40.28 | wewlad | greycat: yeah, I was about to, but sshd runs as root, is this okay? |
| 18:40.29 | markybob | wewlad: are you talking about for the server? |
| 18:40.37 | wewlad | markybob: yeah |
| 18:40.46 | markybob | wewlad: /etc/ssh/ |
| 18:41.15 | wewlad | markybob: thanks |
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| 18:41.28 | greycat | If you're configuring the SERVER and not the client, you should be reading "man sshd_config" and/or "man sshd", not "man ssh". |
| 18:41.37 | greycat | The SERVER'S config file is /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 18:41.52 | wewlad | thx greycat |
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| 18:45.54 | RayzrShrp | anybody know where a clean install of debian is calling the last command when I login? |
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| 18:47.26 | greycat | Are you talking about "Last login: <timestamp>"? That is not the output of last(1). |
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| 18:48.21 | greycat | And the answer, if you meant that, is "in the middle of /etc/pam.d/login" where it calls pam_lastlog.so |
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| 19:04.53 | shaun413 | how do i edit crontab? |
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| 19:05.26 | greycat | crontab -e, if you mean your personal one. "editor /etc/crontab" if you mean that one. |
| 19:05.59 | greycat | "man 1 crontab" for the command, "man 5 crontab" for the file format. |
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| 19:07.13 | MrTrump | I used the new uuid mkswap created whew |
| 19:07.17 | MrTrump | that was close |
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| 19:07.45 | shaun413 | i mean root crontab |
| 19:07.50 | shaun413 | is that the one in file |
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| 19:08.11 | greycat | Root has a personal crontab *in addition to* /etc/crontab |
| 19:08.39 | greycat | /etc/crontab is different in that it has an extra field, for the username under which to run the job. |
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| 19:09.46 | shaun413 | I need to add something to roots crontab |
| 19:09.50 | shaun413 | where would I go for that? |
| 19:10.04 | greycat | You can use either one, if you're adding something new. |
| 19:10.19 | greycat | Some people prefer /etc/crontab and some prefer root's personal crontab. |
| 19:10.57 | shaun413 | and how do i remove something |
| 19:11.24 | shaun413 | ok dont laugh, I want to add this */5 * * * * /usr/bin/eject cdrom |
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| 19:11.38 | greycat | In THAT case you have to figure out which crontab it's in. |
| 19:11.46 | shaun413 | should be in root |
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| 19:12.03 | greycat | No, if you're removing something, then it must already exist, so you have to figure out *where it was placed*. |
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| 19:12.14 | greycat | It could be in root's personal OR in /etc/crontab. You have to check both and find out. |
| 19:12.37 | shaun413 | ok, how would I add that though |
| 19:13.11 | markybob | shaun413: nano -w /etc/crontab |
| 19:13.24 | shaun413 | yes I have tht, but it seems to be formatted slightly differently |
| 19:13.25 | greycat | The sample you showed is in personal-crontab format, not in /etc/crontab format, so you would add that to root's personal crontab, OR you would add the username field if you prefer to add it in /etc/crontab |
| 19:13.27 | shaun413 | does it matter? |
| 19:13.38 | greycat | JUST FUCKING PICK ONE |
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| 19:14.09 | greycat | is getting damned tired of repeating himself |
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| 19:14.42 | petn-randall | !dry |
| 19:14.42 | dpkg | from memory, dry is don't repeat yourself |
| 19:14.48 | petn-randall | :D |
| 19:15.50 | shaun413 | lol it works |
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| 19:36.31 | pk64 | scratching my head over why libegl1-mesa-dev:i386 won't install.. Any help? https://github.com/ProfessorKaos64/SteamOS-Tools/issues/125 |
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| 19:36.54 | greycat | !steamos |
| 19:36.54 | dpkg | SteamOS is an operating system released by Valve as a gaming platform, based on Debian 7 "Wheezy". It is not supported in #debian, support is available in #steamOS on irc.freenode.net or at http://support.steampowered.com/ . See <based on debian>. |
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| 19:37.55 | pk64 | using Debian8 even to test, same underbelly, general question with pbuilder on Debian. But ok. i'll ask elsewhere. |
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| 19:39.58 | RayzrShrp | anybody know where a clean install of debian is calling the last command when I login? |
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| 19:40.09 | greycat | *headdesk* |
| 19:40.21 | greycat | Was he lost in a netsplit when I answered? |
| 19:40.26 | RayzrShrp | greycat: ok thanks saw your previous answer |
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| 19:40.42 | markybob | heh |
| 19:42.53 | TomTomTosch | markybob, hey, did you get your btrfs root partition to work? |
| 19:43.18 | markybob | TomTomTosch: no. gave up |
| 19:43.49 | TomTomTosch | markybob, did you try setting cryptroot in grub? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#Encryption |
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| 19:44.23 | markybob | TomTomTosch: i did it through the installer |
| 19:44.34 | hanasaki | what will take a screen shot of a selected area of the screen? running jessie with gnome not kde |
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| 19:45.07 | TomTomTosch | markybob, ah well. sry, no idea then :S |
| 19:45.18 | greycat | I use scrot to get the entire screen, then crop it with xv (which is no longer packaged). |
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| 19:45.43 | greycat | xv itself also has "grab a rectangle" and "grab a window" features, but I rarely use those. |
| 19:45.58 | hanasaki | greycat: thanks. nothing simpler? I think the kde tool does it however don't want to install kde just for that |
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| 19:46.32 | shaun413 | hello |
| 19:46.38 | shaun413 | so in gnome settings, all my network optiosn for eth and wlan are grayed out |
| 19:46.45 | shaun413 | any ideas why? |
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| 19:48.59 | shaun413 | ? |
| 19:49.26 | detha | hanasaki: scrot -s will let you select a rectangle |
| 19:49.40 | SerajewelKS | shaun413: probably because they are being managed by ifup/ifdown |
| 19:50.01 | SerajewelKS | there are multiple utilities for mananging your network interfaces; network-manager tries not to stomp on others |
| 19:50.08 | shaun413 | ahh |
| 19:50.13 | shaun413 | so how do I access that? |
| 19:50.35 | SerajewelKS | ifdown them, and comment out their definitions in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:50.40 | shaun413 | ok |
| 19:50.42 | shaun413 | thanks |
| 19:50.50 | SerajewelKS | you may need to restart network-manager |
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| 19:52.09 | hanasaki | detha: thanks |
| 19:53.39 | shaun413 | yo |
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| 19:54.41 | ghobadimhd | hi |
| 19:55.18 | ghobadimhd | what is difference between static and dynamic priority of process and nice level of process ? |
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| 19:55.42 | ghobadimhd | is there any good reference that explain these ? |
| 19:55.51 | hanasaki | detha: |
| 19:55.54 | hanasaki | scrot -s image |
| 19:55.54 | hanasaki | giblib error: Saving to file image failed |
| 19:56.24 | detha | hanasaki: no write permissions in current directory? |
| 19:56.49 | hanasaki | not an issue.... "touch" owrks fine |
| 19:57.11 | hanasaki | scrot -s /tmp/t |
| 19:57.11 | hanasaki | giblib error: Saving to file /tmp/t failed |
| 19:57.37 | greycat | hanasaki: Confirmed. Happens to me also. |
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| 19:58.02 | greycat | hanasaki: Oh, give it a real suffix. scrot -s /tmp/t.png |
| 19:58.16 | detha | yup. |
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| 19:58.35 | greycat | That error message could be improved a bit. |
| 19:58.58 | detha | or don't specify anything, and it will generate ~/yyyy-mm-dd-hh:mm.png or so |
| 19:59.19 | greycat | it generates ./yyyy-etc. not ~/yyyy-etc. |
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| 20:00.07 | hanasaki | bingo. thanks |
| 20:00.33 | ghobadimhd | hi, what is difference between static and dynamic priority of process and nice level of process ? |
| 20:00.43 | hanasaki | nice that it does auto encode based on the suffix :) |
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| 20:02.58 | TomTomTosch | windows flair :P |
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| 20:04.47 | dimitry7 | hi guys, i use debian in the cloud of aws |
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| 20:05.57 | dimitry7 | i used to use http on my repos, now I want to use https but i get this error: http://paste.debian.net/399842/ |
| 20:06.12 | dimitry7 | I have updated the certificates but still the same error, what do you think is wrong? |
| 20:06.36 | Amun_Ra | ,v apt-transport-https |
| 20:06.37 | judd | Package: apt-transport-https on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.10.3+squeeze7; wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.2; stretch: 1.2.3; sid: 1.2.3 |
| 20:06.49 | Amun_Ra | dimitry7: you need that pkg |
| 20:07.06 | greycat | My opinion? What's wrong is the decision to take a perfectly working http config and switch it to https for *no reason whatsoever*. |
| 20:07.13 | dimitry7 | Amun_Ra, apt-transport-https is already the newest version. |
| 20:07.23 | dimitry7 | greycat, security policies |
| 20:07.32 | greycat | What the hell does that mean? |
| 20:07.45 | dimitry7 | besides, I don't know why it woudn't work with https |
| 20:07.47 | Amun_Ra | dimitry7: oh, I assumed another error w/o looking up the url |
| 20:08.00 | greycat | "My boss said I had to use https and also that the computer's case has to be black, and also that I have to use a keyboard with Windows Menu keys on it" |
| 20:08.16 | dimitry7 | Amun_Ra, ok |
| 20:08.36 | Amun_Ra | dimitry7: # update-ca-certificates? |
| 20:08.36 | dimitry7 | greycat, please advice on the topic |
| 20:08.43 | dimitry7 | Amun_Ra, yes I tried that |
| 20:08.44 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 20:09.44 | Amun_Ra | greycat: isn't plonk usenet only thing? :> |
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| 20:11.52 | dimitry7 | Amun_Ra, so, what's wrong? |
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| 20:12.28 | dimitry7 | greycat, isn't it better to use https over http? |
| 20:12.37 | Amun_Ra | dimitry7: apt-get install --reinstall ca-certificates? |
| 20:13.07 | Amun_Ra | dimitry7: I've never met the error so I prolly shooting blanks |
| 20:13.08 | dimitry7 | Amun_Ra, Yes, tried too |
| 20:13.28 | dimitry7 | Amun_Ra, try to add https to your sources list |
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| 20:15.52 | greycat | Using https to transfer packages (which are the same exact packages used by thousands of people) is slower, more error-prone, more complex, denies the ability to use caching transparent proxies for bandwidth savings, and provides absolutely NO increase in "security" whatsoever. The security is the package signature, which is checked just the same if you transfer the package with HTTP. |
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| 20:20.10 | dimitry7 | greycat, it looks like it doesn't have any advantage at all. |
| 20:20.27 | Amun_Ra | dimitry7: mirror I use is http only |
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| 20:21.52 | dimitry7 | greycat, can't the package signature be modified in case of a DNS spoofing attack? |
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| 20:24.44 | TomTomTosch | the problem is not on your part, https://security.debian.org has a bad cert. try it with your browser. i'm with greycat on this issue though. |
| 20:25.06 | SerajewelKS | dimitry7: no |
| 20:25.22 | SerajewelKS | dimitry7: if you distribute the public key to all computers that will be using the packages |
| 20:25.24 | MrTrump | If I move an apache setup from rhel 6.2 to debian 7.9 apache 2.2 should it "just work" assuming perms are right? |
| 20:25.38 | SerajewelKS | dimitry7: unless you know of a way for an attacker to generate valid signatures without the private key |
| 20:25.42 | MrTrump | 2.4.3 to whatever 2.2 comes with 7.9 |
| 20:25.51 | MrTrump | hmmm |
| 20:25.54 | greycat | Going from apache 2.4 to 2.2? Hell no. |
| 20:26.25 | TomTomTosch | !opt MrTrump trolling |
| 20:26.27 | greycat | Apache 2.2 and 2.4 are config-compatible with each other. |
| 20:26.30 | quantic | RHEL 6 is running apache 2.2. |
| 20:26.41 | MrTrump | no no 2.2.3 --> 2.2.22 |
| 20:26.44 | greycat | ... gah, damn it. Stupid typos. |
| 20:26.48 | greycat | Apache 2.2 and 2.4 are NOT config-compatible with each other. |
| 20:26.53 | MrTrump | I know I know |
| 20:26.56 | TomTomTosch | troll is still troll. |
| 20:27.00 | MrTrump | 2.2 to 2.2 should work tight |
| 20:27.02 | MrTrump | ? |
| 20:27.03 | greycat | OK, 2.2 to 2.2 has a chance of working. Try it and find out. |
| 20:27.13 | MrTrump | I am daunted by moving to debian 8.3 and 2.4httpd |
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| 20:27.55 | jhutchins | There's some minor drift in 2.2 like the move away from NamedVirtualHost. |
| 20:28.26 | greycat | I'd imagine you'll have more issues with the Debian-specific stuff than any minor 2.2.x -> 2.2.y changes. |
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| 20:28.38 | jhutchins | I'm a bit surprised that no-one's come up with a script to update the file, like they did for ipchains -> iptables. |
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| 20:29.20 | greycat | I think people capable of doing that kind of script would just move to nginx instead. :-P |
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| 20:29.29 | MrTrump | does 7.9 have the glibc fix? |
| 20:29.33 | greycat | Yes. |
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| 20:29.53 | greycat | I mean, not *in* 7.9 itself, but in the wheezy security updates that you'll apply after 7.9. |
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| 20:31.34 | dimitry7 | TomTomTosch, okay man thanks |
| 20:31.34 | dimitry7 | SerajewelKS, what do you mean with distributing the key? |
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| 20:32.40 | MrTrump | ok |
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| 20:34.15 | SerajewelKS | dimitry7: packages are signed with a gpg key, that's why http can be secure -- because the gpg signature is verified before the package is installed |
| 20:34.29 | SerajewelKS | dimitry7: for this to work, of course all of the computers using the repository need the public key so they can verify the signatures |
| 20:35.01 | SerajewelKS | dimitry7: even if someone is able to pull off a mitm attack on the http server, they won't be able to generate valid signatures without the private key |
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| 20:36.34 | dimitry7 | SerajewelKS, but they can see the private key from the original packag |
| 20:36.35 | dimitry7 | package |
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| 20:38.44 | SerajewelKS | dimitry7: wtf are you talking about |
| 20:38.49 | SerajewelKS | the package does not contain the private key |
| 20:39.12 | quantic | That would defeat the entire purpose. |
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| 20:39.40 | dimitry7 | is the private key uniq in each computer? |
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| 20:39.47 | SerajewelKS | facepalms |
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| 20:40.16 | SerajewelKS | the private key is used to sign packages. the public key is used to verify the signatures. you distribute the public key to all of the computers using the repository. you DO NOT distribute the private key. |
| 20:40.18 | greycat | My /ignore (plonk) instincts are pretty good after all these years. |
| 20:40.20 | quantic | dimitry7: Please Google "asymmetric cryptography". |
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| 20:44.37 | SerajewelKS | dimitry7: HTTPS also uses asymmetric cryptography. the differences in this case are (1) nothing is encrypted, which is fine unless the contents of the packages contain sensitive data, and (2) the data signing and verification happens at a different time. |
| 20:45.10 | quantic | dimitry7: Nothing is encrypted? |
| 20:45.17 | quantic | SerajewelKS: Nothing is encrypted? |
| 20:45.22 | quantic | dimitry7: (Sorry, misfire.) |
| 20:45.30 | wewlad | why's sshd service not being listed in 'service --status-all'? |
| 20:45.42 | SerajewelKS | no. HTTPS encrypts the transmitted data. debian packages are not encrypted, only signed. |
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| 20:45.59 | quantic | SerajewelKS: OH, sorry, your phrasing implied that HTTPS wasn't encrypted. |
| 20:46.14 | greycat | wewlad: is it listed in "systemctl -a"? |
| 20:46.21 | quantic | SerajewelKS: Hence my "uh, what?" |
| 20:46.31 | wewlad | greycat: no |
| 20:46.46 | greycat | wewlad: Is it running? Is it even installed? |
| 20:47.02 | wewlad | greycat: it is running. |
| 20:47.15 | greycat | (also, it's listed as ssh not as sshd... you weren't grepping, were you?) |
| 20:47.26 | wewlad | 'service sshd restart' worked |
| 20:47.34 | wewlad | greycat: I was grepping |
| 20:47.38 | wewlad | oh |
| 20:47.40 | greycat | grep for ssh, not sshd |
| 20:47.59 | wewlad | yeah, ssh is there |
| 20:47.59 | greycat | also, why would you use --status-all and then grep things? why not ask for the one service's status you want? |
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| 20:48.29 | wewlad | that's a good question |
| 20:48.36 | wewlad | I just didn't think of it. |
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| 20:49.00 | ALireza__ | Hello, I'm running linux mint on my laptop, but there is a problem, there isn't any .bashrc file, why? Can I create it myself? |
| 20:49.00 | wewlad | well, usually I don't know the exact name of the service |
| 20:49.12 | wewlad | and grep search for partial match too |
| 20:49.16 | wewlad | so grep rules |
| 20:49.24 | sh00p | ALireza__: well are you running bash? |
| 20:49.35 | sh00p | if so, you can put a .bashrc in your home directory just fine |
| 20:49.42 | ALireza__ | sh00p: Yes |
| 20:49.47 | quantic | ALireza__: http://www.linuxmint.com/contactus.php |
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| 20:49.53 | greycat | 1) yes you can create it, 2) we do not support mint. |
| 20:49.55 | quantic | ALireza__: The correct location for Linux Mint support is there. |
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| 20:50.29 | ALireza__ | quantic: OK |
| 20:50.42 | sh00p | in all fairness, isn't linux mint debian with a bunch of crap on top? |
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| 20:51.15 | greycat | We have no way of knowing. |
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| 20:52.00 | TomTomTosch | sh00p, no, it's not. |
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| 20:52.16 | sh00p | well, bash and .bashrc we know a bunch about |
| 20:52.26 | sh00p | granted it's not debian, but hey, if we can help, why not? |
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| 20:52.49 | greycat | Because it encourages others to ask more and more and more non-debian, off-topic questions. |
| 20:52.54 | greycat | We do not want to encourage that. |
| 20:53.07 | sh00p | alright |
| 20:53.17 | sh00p | i can understand that |
| 20:53.19 | wewlad | greycat: why does s 'systemctl -a' shows apache2.service as load:loaded active:failed sub:failed? I am worried about active:failed. |
| 20:53.57 | greycat | Use "systemctl status apache2.service" to see all the details. |
| 20:55.29 | wewlad | greycat: http://paste.debian.net/399923/ is it serious? |
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| 20:56.14 | greycat | It certainly doesn't sound happy. |
| 20:56.53 | greycat | That also does not look like the output of systemctl status apache2.service |
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| 20:58.24 | wewlad | greycat: http://paste.debian.net/399924/ that's the whole output. |
| 20:58.58 | greycat | Right, so look at that line of that file and figure out what's wrong. |
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| 21:00.11 | wewlad | greycat: that line is a comment |
| 21:00.27 | greycat | Well, the systemctl output is telling you why it died. Fix it. |
| 21:01.00 | wewlad | okay, I'll try |
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| 21:01.58 | SerajewelKS | "Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/default-ssl.conf" is a pretty clear indication that it's mad about an include directive asking to include a file that doesn't exist |
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| 21:02.26 | SerajewelKS | I'm not sure why it claims that as a syntax error, but I've long given up expecting anything in Apache to make sense |
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| 21:09.58 | wewlad | something weird is happening |
| 21:11.48 | wewlad | the error says 'Syntax error on line 30 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/default-ssl.conf: No such file or directory' there's no such file, that is correct. The file with such name is in 'sites-enabled' dir of 'apache2' dir. But. The file '/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default.conf' doesn't have inclusions |
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| 21:12.59 | wewlad | moreover, line 30 is a comment |
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| 21:14.54 | wewlad | so is it a bug then? |
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| 21:18.39 | wewlad | line #30 is: ' # after it has been globally disabled with "a2disconf".' |
| 21:18.50 | wewlad | a comment is not an include! wtf? |
| 21:19.07 | greycat | Look at the whole file. Maybe the line count is off. Sometimes that happens. |
| 21:19.45 | wewlad | greycat: all includes are commented there |
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| 21:21.40 | tpanarch1st | hello how do i view the contents of a mariadb table please? |
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| 21:29.25 | Stummi | tpanarch1st, mariadb is just mysql |
| 21:29.50 | Stummi | tpanarch1st, so, use either the command line "mysql" tool or a mysql viewer (like mysql-workbench) of your choice |
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| 21:30.05 | wewlad | okay, I'll try to reboot |
| 21:30.21 | tpanarch1st | Stummi: thanks :) |
| 21:30.34 | tpanarch1st | i found out it was SELECT * FROM table |
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| 21:33.10 | wewlad | rebooting helped |
| 21:33.15 | wewlad | the error is now gone |
| 21:33.31 | greycat | Ah, then perhaps the error was old, and the file had been changed since then. |
| 21:33.39 | wewlad | I guess I shouldn't trust debians scripts, as it turns they are really broken. |
| 21:33.48 | wewlad | greycat: no, I tried to restart the server a few times |
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| 22:00.34 | saati | hello, does anyone know the reason for this: # CONFIG_SND_EMU10K1_SEQ is not set |
| 22:00.43 | saati | the 4.4.0-1 sid kernel |
| 22:01.31 | jhutchins | saati: I t woupd probably have somthing to do with the kernel build variable CONFIG_SND_EMU10K1_SEQ not being set. |
| 22:01.50 | saati | jhutchins: the question is why isn't it set to m in the default kernel |
| 22:02.08 | jhutchins | saati: Because you didn't set it that way? |
| 22:02.20 | jhutchins | saati: Maybe it's considered obsolete. |
| 22:02.32 | jhutchins | saati: Are you running sid without following the mailing list? |
| 22:02.48 | saati | this is the binary i got from the latest update |
| 22:03.00 | saati | yes, for like a decade now without serious problems |
| 22:03.16 | axc1298 | is there a chat program that supports OTR and is better/more secure than pidgin? i've heard some complaints about security due to it using libpurple |
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| 22:03.21 | axc1298 | (in debian repos) |
| 22:04.19 | saati | jhutchins: audigy2 is obsolete but ac97 isn't? |
| 22:04.53 | jhutchins | saati: I said "considered" obsolete. |
| 22:05.09 | jhutchins | saati: Sometimes that means it's been rolled into something else. |
| 22:05.24 | jhutchins | saati: Again, are you not following the mailing list where such things are discussed? |
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| 22:05.33 | greycat | In any case, questions about unstable kernels and packages -> #debian-next on OFTC. |
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| 22:05.54 | jhutchins | Gone. |
| 22:06.02 | jhutchins | I was about to refer him there. |
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| 22:06.48 | greycat | not sure if he saw my comment before leaving. they were close together. |
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| 22:11.13 | peterocket | This link has an overview of security features in Debian: https://wiki.debian.org/Security/Features |
| 22:11.21 | peterocket | for some features it says "package list" |
| 22:11.38 | peterocket | does anyone know where I can find the list of packages with these features enabled? |
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| 22:18.38 | elmoco | hi all how do i apt-get installing with lambdamoo? |
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| 22:24.32 | Woovie | Hello, how would I go about making a "shortcut" I guess for wine to go to wine-development instead? |
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| 22:25.23 | Woovie | I'm not sure what that would be called, just a way to link the name of wine being an executable to wine-development instead. |
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| 22:29.07 | h99 | Ubuntu or Debian? What do you think? |
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| 22:30.00 | teraflops | h99: what a silly question for asking in #debian ... |
| 22:30.00 | h99 | Ubuntu or Debian? What do you think? |
| 22:30.16 | kion | h99 what is your point? |
| 22:30.38 | h99 | I like to know yout opinion because a lot of people say that ubuntu is better than debian |
| 22:30.54 | thurstylark | Woovie: if you'r talking about just changing the name for convinence, you can just make a symlink to wine. That won't change its function, though. |
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| 22:31.05 | h99 | I don't know personally i like Debian for make servers, but ubuntu for desktop |
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| 22:31.09 | Woovie | Oh okay, yeah I don't need to change the functionality. |
| 22:31.12 | Plush-Tux | hi, i have a backup usb drive and use it on windows and linux, how can i create and edit existing text files so that both debian and windows see the exact file, also with or without the ^M after each line and with return on windows etc? i hope you know what i mean |
| 22:31.24 | Woovie | Thanks, I wasn't sure if a symlink would work. |
| 22:31.26 | thurstylark | Woovie: why do you need to change the name anyways, if you don't mind my asking. |
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| 22:31.48 | Woovie | Well I have a script I'd rather not alter for fear of it not operating correctly that's fairly massive. |
| 22:31.52 | kion | h99: you should probabbly put your question on google |
| 22:32.09 | Woovie | I find it'd be easier to just make a shortcut name in this instance. |
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| 22:32.27 | h99 | I know that the systems are different but i like to know more opinions |
| 22:32.54 | h99 | For example if i'm not wrong ubuntu it's based in Debian |
| 22:33.00 | thurstylark | Plush-Tux: I don't know how to answer your question proper, but here's more info: http://superuser.com/questions/294219/what-are-the-differences-between-linux-and-windows-txt-files-unicode-encoding |
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| 22:33.37 | thurstylark | Woovie: Ahh. Yeah, a symlink will work. Just make sure it's in the same dir as wine. |
| 22:33.54 | Woovie | Thanks :) |
| 22:33.57 | somiaj | h99: you are in #debian. Most here will say debian is better (or have chosen to use it) so it is very bias. |
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| 22:34.42 | h99 | I ask here because all the people that i know who are using linux use ubuntu |
| 22:34.57 | kion | h99: I prefer a comunity driven distro than an individual driven one... there you go |
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| 22:35.17 | h99 | Okay thank you very much for answer :) |
| 22:35.19 | somiaj | h99: there are lots of philosophy differences between the two. Debian will require a bit more configuation because it gives you a lot more freedom and choice. |
| 22:35.20 | thurstylark | Meh, I'm an arch user myself, but I'm here cause I have to support debian systems at work. |
| 22:35.25 | Plush-Tux | thurstylark: thanks, if i read correctly, the encoding is the mystery. do i need to use UTF-8 on with OSes? |
| 22:35.32 | Plush-Tux | in txt files only |
| 22:35.49 | h99 | Somiaj: Debian it's better for making servers or proxys |
| 22:35.54 | h99 | I think so |
| 22:36.01 | Plush-Tux | s/with/both |
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| 22:36.17 | somiaj | h99: debian gives you a lot more choice, is very clear about free vs non-free (the DSFG). The side effect is this requires making the choice and maybe taking extra time to configure. |
| 22:37.18 | kion | h99: I trust Debian has no backdoors also. |
| 22:38.18 | elmoco | what is packages with lambdamoo in debian? |
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| 22:39.45 | thurstylark | Plush-Tux: I guess that's one way. You could also convert files on an individual basis: https://kb.iu.edu/d/acux |
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| 22:41.20 | thurstylark | Plush-Tux: it would also be worth reading that article that was linked in my first response. |
| 22:41.23 | Plush-Tux | thurstylark: thanks, i will take a look on it |
| 22:41.36 | Plush-Tux | ok |
| 22:41.39 | elmoco | what is packages with lambdamoo ??? |
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| 22:41.55 | rattking | Hello, I am working with Ubuntu, but this might be general enough about debconf that someone here knows.. where does 'merge_debconf_into_conf' come from? I would like to see what its actually doing. thanks. |
| 22:42.03 | Plush-Tux | thurstylark: i will try it with utf-8 |
| 22:42.13 | thurstylark | elmoco: Your question doesn't make sense. more question marks will not help. |
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| 22:44.14 | EagleRock | elmoco: it doesn't appear to have been in debian for a while |
| 22:44.19 | EagleRock | elmoco: https://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lambdamoo.html |
| 22:44.35 | Inpetto | Hi, anyone can tell me how to disable my On-Screen keyboard in debian? |
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| 22:47.10 | EagleRock | !tell rattking about debconf |
| 22:47.26 | EagleRock | there's the documentation in Debian about debconf, that might help |
| 22:47.44 | rattking | thanks! |
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| 22:49.22 | elmoco | hello, i am using with debian but how do i installing lambdamoo server |
| 22:49.57 | EagleRock | elmoco: I already answered you above |
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| 23:04.48 | Elronnd | I'm trying to install torbrowser; it's giving me "Depends: python-twisted but it is not going to be installed," and the same with python-txsocksx, but both of those are installed |
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| 23:09.49 | teraflops | Elronnd: are you in debian stable? |
| 23:10.18 | Elronnd | teraflops: I'm not sure |
| 23:10.25 | Elronnd | *Pretty* sure |
| 23:10.49 | Elronnd | I have both jessie, stretch, and sid repos in my sources.list |
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| 23:11.19 | markybob | Elronnd: yep that's how you fuck things up and get breakages like this |
| 23:11.42 | markybob | !tell Elronnd about dontbreakdebian |
| 23:11.54 | markybob | !tell Elronnd about frakendebian |
| 23:12.44 | markybob | Elronnd: you just can't mix like that (which hopefully after reading what the bot said you'll understand) |
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| 23:15.51 | peterocket | !tell peterocket dontbreakdebian |
| 23:16.51 | abrotman | dpkg: tell peterocket about selftell |
| 23:17.13 | peterocket | thx |
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| 23:17.55 | Elronnd | Okay, I unbroke debian |
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| 23:18.42 | markybob | Elronnd: no you didn't. damange is done. you may have "fixed" this one apt issue |
| 23:18.58 | Elronnd | true |
| 23:19.24 | quantic | The only way to be sure, nuke it from orbit. (and reinstall.) |
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| 23:28.52 | ironpillow | hi all, does anyone know the hardware specs of meraki mx100: cpu, memory, nics, etcs? |
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| 23:30.29 | markybob | ironpillow: google did. https://meraki.cisco.com/products/appliances/mx100#tech-specs |
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| 23:31.53 | ironpillow | markybob: yeah saw that. it does not specify what type of cpu (intel) or how much memory or what type of nics (intel) they use. |
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| 23:36.32 | Guest13321 | I'm currently running another distro on this system and am trying to install Debian / Gnome 3 from a USB Live Media stick. Live Media runs fine but when installing, Debian does not see the other distro and will not park itself alongside. Am I missing a step ? |
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| 23:37.29 | mentor | Guest13321, What do you mean by "alongside"? |
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| 23:39.12 | Guest13321 | mentor: other distro's will see the existing linux and ask if I want to install as a second OS (apologies for terminolgy). |
| 23:41.28 | mentor | Guest13321, You should be able to manually partition even if there's no automatic partitioning to do what you want |
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| 23:46.47 | Guest13321 | mentor: OK. How would that look. SDA1 for first OS (debian), SDA5 for swap, SDB1 for second OS, SDA5 for second OS swap ? |
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