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| 00:01.34 | MeetHammer_ | teraflops: theres only one way to solve this |
| 00:01.36 | MeetHammer_ | ill brb |
| 00:01.55 | TomTomTo1 | asking dpkg? |
| 00:02.08 | teraflops | nope closing his session :P |
| 00:02.24 | MeetHammer_ | TomTomTo1: lol how do I check without logging out. i honestly cant remember |
| 00:02.33 | teraflops | heh |
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| 00:04.00 | teraflops | hmm printenv| grep -i xauth ? |
| 00:04.28 | DonaldDuck | MeetHammer_, echo $XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP |
| 00:05.22 | TomTomTo1 | dpkg -l gdm3 kdm lightdm and tell us which |
| 00:05.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching gdm3 kdm lightdm and tell us which |
| 00:05.29 | teraflops | that returns the DE |
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| 00:05.52 | ChoppedDill_ | DM, or display manager is the graphical login screen before the desktop environment |
| 00:06.23 | MeetHammer_ | lightdm! |
| 00:06.27 | teraflops | heh |
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| 00:06.33 | MeetHammer_ | lol i tried all three |
| 00:06.46 | MeetHammer_ | TomTomTo1: delivers! |
| 00:06.50 | teraflops | MeetHammer_: then youre fine creating ~/.xprofile by hand |
| 00:07.16 | MeetHammer_ | teraflops: ok and then I can just add lines to it? but how do I reload it from a script? |
| 00:07.36 | grawity | you don't touch it from your script at all |
| 00:07.42 | MeetHammer_ | cuz i feel like im gonna have to restart x for this to work...? |
| 00:07.51 | teraflops | MeetHammer_: lightdm sources ~/.xprofile any time you login into xfce |
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| 00:08.16 | MeetHammer_ | hrmmm ok, cuz my goal is no reboot no relogin... if thats possible. |
| 00:08.36 | teraflops | since you want to use that synaptic thing and it requires X i think youre fine :P |
| 00:08.37 | grawity | then run the same command manually? |
| 00:09.04 | MeetHammer_ | grawity: "xhost +SI:localuser:$(whoami) +SI:localuser:root" ? |
| 00:09.06 | teraflops | ah the script runs many times? |
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| 00:09.11 | grawity | yes |
| 00:09.22 | MeetHammer_ | teraflops: yeah, i wanna change hostname and mac on the fly |
| 00:09.24 | teraflops | run it many times |
| 00:09.26 | teraflops | heh |
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| 00:11.08 | teraflops | hostnamectl runs fine in jessie btw |
| 00:11.22 | MeetHammer_ | grawity: thats will add a screen connection for the current hostname information to xauthority... or whatever?? |
| 00:11.33 | MeetHammer_ | grawity: that command ... |
| 00:12.19 | grawity | it'll tell Xorg that the users "MeetHammer" and "root" are allowed to connect without any Xauthority checks |
| 00:12.37 | MeetHammer_ | teraflops: yes I read about syctl as well? some kind of kernel thing? |
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| 00:13.08 | grawity | (since the problem is that Xauthority checks are tied to the hostname) |
| 00:13.18 | MeetHammer_ | grawity: am I losing much in terms of security? |
| 00:13.27 | grawity | no |
| 00:13.28 | teraflops | sysctl for changing the hostname? |
| 00:13.38 | teraflops | or the kernel.hostname? |
| 00:13.45 | grawity | since anyone with your uid could already read the Xauthority data from ~ |
| 00:13.50 | MeetHammer_ | teraflops: gimme a sec ill look it up.. the latter |
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| 00:16.50 | MeetHammer_ | grawity: ok that worked. do I need to run that at least once per session to make it stick? |
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| 00:17.12 | grawity | no, that's what your .xprofile is for |
| 00:17.30 | MeetHammer_ | ok cool i make that manually and add that as the only line/ |
| 00:17.35 | MeetHammer_ | ? |
| 00:17.39 | grawity | well, in other words â yeah, it needs to be run once per session, but .xprofile will automate it |
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| 00:18.54 | MeetHammer_ | ok done. thank you grawity |
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| 00:19.45 | MeetHammer_ | teraflops: "sysctl kernel.hostname=NEW_HOSTNAME" ... ? what does that do? |
| 00:20.29 | teraflops | MeetHammer_: it changes the variable kernel.hostname |
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| 00:20.38 | bodom1 | Hi there! I am a contributor of a small open source project and i would like to package it for Debian. I've been reading many tutorials, but all of them focus on packaging 3rd party software. Is there a tutorial on how to package my own software? |
| 00:21.07 | MeetHammer_ | teraflops: does lots of stuff check that? will it break anything? |
| 00:22.18 | somiaj | looking for a lightweight method to do a redirect from http://domain to https://domain (the server I'm running isn't set up to listen on http and can't easily do a redirect with it) |
| 00:22.25 | teraflops | nope it changes the hostname |
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| 00:22.33 | somiaj | bodom1: have you read the debian new matainers guide? |
| 00:22.50 | jpleau | bodom1: https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging is a good place to start. Another way to learn is to pick a project that is similar to yours, and look at how it's packaged. |
| 00:22.55 | MeetHammer_ | teraflops: perhaps I should add it to my script? |
| 00:23.15 | MeetHammer_ | somiaj: html or DNS |
| 00:23.20 | somiaj | bodom1: basically once you have a package that meets debian policy you then need to find a sponsor to upload it for you. Here is a place to start http://mentors.debian.net/, there is also #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:23.48 | somiaj | MeetHammer_: its html, I just want to make it so if someone requests the server they don't have to type https into their browser (which is the current state) |
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| 00:24.56 | somiaj | MeetHammer_: sagemath is the server, running it on no privlaged port since I don't want to run the server as root. I have 443 forward to the non privlaged port, but just one small thing to finish is have a redirector on port 80. I was just hoping not to have to run a full http server to do this. |
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| 00:25.08 | bodom1 | jpleau: i was reading it now, but it also seems to be focused on 3rd party packages too. You have any example of a project using "native" packaging? |
| 00:25.20 | MeetHammer_ | somiaj: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5411538/redirect-from-an-html-page youd be breaking a W3C rule |
| 00:25.35 | MeetHammer_ | oh ok |
| 00:25.39 | MeetHammer_ | no http my bad |
| 00:25.44 | teraflops | MeetHammer_: does hostnamectl require root if you do it remotely but don't require it if you do locally? |
| 00:26.00 | somiaj | MeetHammer_: the server is fully https, I just was trying to avoid having people have to type the https (since many won't by default) |
| 00:26.00 | jpleau | bodom1: unless your package is a tool for debian in general, it's not a native package |
| 00:26.07 | MeetHammer_ | teraflops: ill try it now |
| 00:26.10 | bodom1 | somiaj: thank you, I didn't express myself correctly: I am only interested on producing a good Debian package so far, having it include din the official Debian is maybe something for tomorrow |
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| 00:26.50 | teraflops | MeetHammer_: if running it locally does not require root i guess is better doing hostnamectl |
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| 00:27.10 | somiaj | bodom1: as long as the package meets debian policy which you can read about in the new matainers guide and debian policy manuals it is a 'good debian package'. #debian-mentors can help you and get you familar with tools to check the package to see if it meets policy or not. |
| 00:27.25 | teraflops | i cannot check it, I only have debian machines available remotely and via ssh |
| 00:27.36 | MeetHammer_ | teraflops: it does require root |
| 00:27.40 | teraflops | ah |
| 00:27.51 | bodom1 | jpleau: so what i should do is create a source tarball first and work like if i was packaging a 3rd party software? |
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| 00:28.48 | MeetHammer_ | so what channel do I go to to fact check the presentation of the NeXT debacle in that Steve Jobs movie? |
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| 00:31.04 | MeetHammer_ | anyways thanks for all the help I'm gonna run this thru a few times and reboot see if it all works. appreciate everyones help! |
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| 00:32.34 | jpleau | bodom1: yep. Majority of packages are "3rd party software" in the debian archives, so you have plenty of examples :) |
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| 00:34.28 | bodom1 | jpleau: thank you |
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| 00:43.14 | entourage | I want to run Debian as a guest OS in Virtualbox. How do I install the Virtualbox Guest Additions in Debian?? |
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| 00:46.32 | mrrhq | entourage: Your VM needs to have a CD drive available with no CD in it. If you can do that, you should be able to use the guest additions, and in a desktop environment, it should run the installer on its own. |
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| 00:46.38 | quantic | entourage: You don't, actually. The recommendation is to use the open-vm-tools (or open-vm-tools-desktop) package. |
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| 00:47.16 | MeitHammer | quantic: do people us LXC containers? |
| 00:47.47 | mrrhq | I haven't used VirtualBox in a while (QEMU user). Do the open-vm-tools have most of the features like seamless mouse integration? |
| 00:47.47 | markybob | quantic: that's for VMWare, not virtualbox |
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| 00:48.10 | quantic | markybob: Oh, hell, it is. |
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| 00:48.44 | markybob | entourage: you install virtualbox-guest-dkms virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest x11 |
| 00:48.51 | quantic | ^ |
| 00:48.53 | quantic | My bad. |
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| 00:49.35 | mrrhq | Man, I wish I could help if you used QEMU. It's super easy to do in a QEMU vm, you just turn on tablet pointer mode for the mouse. |
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| 00:50.39 | mrrhq | But that's literally the only reason I'd use quest additions in other hypervisors, so yeah. |
| 00:50.42 | mrrhq | *guest |
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| 01:21.56 | nname31 | hello, how can unpack-edit-modify .abs firmware file? any idea? |
| 01:22.19 | DonaldDuck | entourage, Sorry for the delay. I use VirtualBox. When you create the machine you say it will be debian. Once installed you can mount it and install it as a virtual cdrom if I remember correctly. |
| 01:22.39 | rabbitear | nname31: 'binwalk' ? |
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| 01:23.45 | nname31 | this firmware is for satellite receiver |
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| 01:24.44 | nname31 | i want modify menu etc |
| 01:24.48 | rabbitear | nname31: binwalk only goes over any firmware and pulls out files/executables |
| 01:24.51 | TomTomTo1 | nname31, those are binaries. |
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| 01:26.30 | nname31 | thx :) |
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| 01:30.09 | axc1298 | do i need to install some package to be able to compile a .c file? |
| 01:30.35 | namespace | axc1298: Possibly gcc. |
| 01:30.58 | axc1298 | namespace: looks like i already have that installed |
| 01:31.04 | TomTomTo1 | gcc ist standard in most GNU/Linux systems :P |
| 01:31.55 | TomTomTo1 | some libs you need to install. if you just want to learn c then you prob don't need to install anything. |
| 01:32.04 | axc1298 | the compiled form of it will be a .o file right? |
| 01:32.25 | markybob | axc1298: a good rule is apt-get install build-essential |
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| 01:32.32 | axc1298 | i think i did it by cheating and clicking the compile button in geany |
| 01:33.00 | axc1298 | have a .o file in the same directory now |
| 01:33.35 | TomTomTo1 | .o file is an object file. you need to link that for an executable. |
| 01:33.46 | TomTomTo1 | read up on gcc ;D |
| 01:33.55 | axc1298 | fine :P |
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| 01:36.29 | mrrhq | axc1298: What are you trying to compile, if I can curiously ask? :p |
| 01:37.02 | axc1298 | mrrhq: https://github.com/GrayHatter/uTox/blob/develop/tools/logs_to_plaintext.c |
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| 01:38.55 | axc1298 | i did it with gcc -o |
| 01:39.03 | TomTomTo1 | you will not need to install anything for that. |
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| 01:40.08 | TomTomTo1 | axc1298, so, did it work? |
| 01:41.19 | axc1298 | TomTomTo1: it seems to have compiled, yes. i have the program in my directory |
| 01:41.28 | TomTomTo1 | great |
| 01:41.45 | axc1298 | sorry for the off-topic discussion lol |
| 01:43.25 | mrrhq | axc1298: Oh, why are you compiling one file from a project? The Git repo could have a readme and a makefile ready for you to use. |
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| 01:43.47 | mrrhq | uTox is that encrypted IM client, isn't it? |
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| 01:44.18 | axc1298 | mrrhq: i don't think there's any readme or makefile for that file. it's just a random tool someone made to convert the logs to plaintext |
| 01:44.39 | TomTomTo1 | yep, it's fine. |
| 01:46.20 | mrrhq | Oh yeah, it is a standalone tool. Huh, interesting. |
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| 01:46.33 | mrrhq | I guess they expect everyone to know how to compile it. |
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| 01:48.16 | DonaldDuck | axc1298, usually not putting a -o will give you a a.out file. Which also work |
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| 01:49.22 | axc1298 | thanks |
| 01:52.54 | DonaldDuck | axc1298, Sorry for the delay. Next time ask on the #c channel, easier ;) |
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| 01:53.22 | axc1298 | DonaldDuck: yea it probably belonged there |
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| 03:13.34 | benitoll | Hi there, I am using Debian-based ProxmoxVE 4.X with root-on-ZFS and somehow (months ago) unknowingly messed up the GRUB package, after a crash yesterday it doesn't detect ZFS filesystem, and whatever I try to do with aptitude/apt-get from the recovery ISO, it just tries to remove (sets selection to "deinstall") proxmox-ve (main distribution package that can't be normally deleted) (somehow I messed that up too), so I'm very stuck. Is t |
| 03:14.17 | benitoll | *Is there a way to override package integrity/dependency detection and just reinstall it all? it would be much faster than making current backups of all data and fully reinstall. Thanks in advance. |
| 03:14.18 | jmcnaught | benitoll: you'll need to ask in Proxmox's channel, it's not supported in #debian |
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| 03:15.14 | benitoll | it's an aptitude issue after all.. |
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| 03:15.37 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell benitoll -about proxmox |
| 03:15.45 | markybob | benitoll: doesn't matter |
| 03:16.00 | TomTomTo1 | it's not what we are being paid for! |
| 03:16.04 | jmcnaught | benitoll: the dpkg bot should've messaged you about it with a link to where to get support |
| 03:16.14 | benitoll | yes I already read it |
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| 03:16.21 | markybob | TomTomTo1: i was supposed to be getting paid? i've been here for 15 years! |
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| 03:16.41 | TomTomTo1 | oh damn, i shouldn't have said anything :S |
| 03:17.10 | dvs | takes TomTomTo1's pay |
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| 03:36.38 | MeatHammer | Hey all, I'm trying to get this command to run at user login: "xhost +SI:localuser:$(whoami) +SI:localuser:root" I have it in .xprofile but it doesnt seem to get run...? |
| 03:38.17 | TomTomTo1 | uh.. lightdm was it? the file is in the home folder of the user you log on to? |
| 03:38.41 | MeatHammer | TomTomTo1: yep |
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| 03:40.25 | MeatHammer | TomTomTo1: I created the file as the user, not sure if that helps. Does it need any special permissions? |
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| 03:41.31 | TomTomTo1 | nah, that's fine |
| 03:42.19 | TomTomTo1 | how do you know it's not being run? |
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| 03:42.55 | themill | I don't think lightdm looks at .xprofile; also, xhost?? |
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| 03:44.20 | Logg | I'm using Cinnamon on Debian. This is a question about a specific package that comes bundled with Cinnamon. There is no Cinnamon IRC channel, please forgive me for using #debian. |
| 03:44.22 | Logg | The package is gnome-screenshot. That is the program used by default in Cinnamon when you press the screenshot key. My issue with it is that it flashes the screen white and plays a camera shutter sound when activated. I have solved the camera shutter sound, but it still flashes the screen white. |
| 03:44.28 | Logg | There is no gnome-screenshot.conf as far as I can tell. The man page does not detail any command line option to disable these annoying features. There are no options in the Cinnamon control panel to configure screenshots. |
| 03:44.34 | Logg | I am considering following the advice at https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots#Using_command_line and remapping the PrtScn button to use an xvt command instead of using gnome-screenshot. I would 'apt-get remove gnome-screenshot' at that point. If gnome-screenshot can work for me though, I'd still ilke to use it. |
| 03:44.47 | Logg | In summary: âHow do I remove the white flash from gnome-screenshot?â Summon: jelly |
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| 03:47.14 | MeatHammer | TomTomTo1: I had that script that updates my network settings. It works fine except for synaptic wont start as root, something to do with Xauthority using hostnames. So when I run that xhost command, synaptic goes back to working. After a boot, Synaptic doesnt work. If I run xhost in CLI, synaptic works. |
| 03:47.46 | MeatHammer | TomTomTo1: so I'm assuming it isnt getting run at boot... |
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| 03:48.00 | markybob | Logg: did you ever think that not following the flood rule in /topic would make people...not happy |
| 03:48.09 | TomTomTo1 | why not append that command to your script? |
| 03:48.16 | MeatHammer | when I ask dpkg it says i have GDM, KDM, and lightdm |
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| 03:48.44 | Logg | markybob: it's all stuff I manually typed. I think that rule is more for logs. |
| 03:49.00 | MeatHammer | TomTomTo1: I can add it to the script... theres no issue with it being run multiple times? |
| 03:49.08 | MeatHammer | xhost that is |
| 03:49.26 | jmcnaught | MeatHammer: if you're trying to run applications as root in X, have you tried using pkexec or gksu? |
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| 03:50.21 | MeatHammer | jmcnaught: i think its caused by me changing my hostname. |
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| 03:52.21 | TomTomTo1 | i don't see why running it multiple times would be a problem. |
| 03:52.30 | jmcnaught | MeatHammer: oh yeah? you changed /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts, /etc/mailname and rebooted to do that? From what I understand running applications as root in X can cause weird issues, the way to do it is using policykit (pkexec) or something like it, gksu for example. Do those not work? |
| 03:53.40 | MeatHammer | jmcnaught: I think so. Have a look, its kinda neat: http://pastebin.com/H46TRdR0 |
| 03:53.56 | MeatHammer | stole all the hard stuff from forums, straight up. |
| 03:54.37 | TomTomTo1 | can you pls try what jmcnaught said first, i'm interested. |
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| 03:55.06 | MeatHammer | kk lemme try that |
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| 03:56.20 | MeatHammer | "synaptic-pkexec" is how im starting synaptic from the launcher. |
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| 03:57.46 | TomTomTo1 | gksu synaptic in the terminal and check if the error is the same. |
| 03:58.16 | MeatHammer | TomTomTo1: ok is there a way to undo that xhost command without rebooting or restarting x? |
| 03:58.31 | TomTomTo1 | undo? |
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| 03:58.50 | TomTomTo1 | don't know why that would be neccessary. |
| 03:59.17 | jmcnaught | MeatHammer: interesting indeed. i recommend adding some comments :) also maybe instead of recursively grepping for all files in /etc with the old hostname it would be better to be more selective? It could be that you need to restart a few more services after changing the hostname.. honestly that's not something i do very often and when I do i usually reboot to make sure that everything comes up properly next time |
| 03:59.20 | MeatHammer | cuz after I run xhost synaptic goes back to working.. so it works right now... i gotta reboot otherwis |
| 03:59.44 | MeatHammer | jmcnaught: im trying to break the mould! |
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| 04:01.04 | MeatHammer | jmmcnaught: I definately have networking, network-manager, and open-vpn working no problem. I imagine there might be a few more services that have to be restarted. as far as recursive, the only problem is if your hostname is like... eth1 or something... its gonna get overwritten maybe? |
| 04:01.42 | jmcnaught | MeatHammer: yeah that could be a problem. do you mind if i ask why? |
| 04:02.44 | MeatHammer | PPTP, CUPS? Debian wiki mentions a few specifically: https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 04:03.11 | jmcnaught | Logg: hey i took a look at the gnome-screenshot man page, it doesn't look like there's an option to suppress the flash. If it's important, you might need to use a different tool for screenshots |
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| 04:03.24 | MeatHammer | jmcnaught: I developed the habit with my android devices and I wanna see if Debian can do same... |
| 04:03.49 | Logg | jmcnaught: thanks for checking. that's the conclusion I've come to as well... :\ |
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| 04:03.53 | MeatHammer | that is change mac and hostname without rebooting or breaking |
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| 04:04.33 | Logg | currently manually installing packages from cinnamon, since uninstalling gnome-screenshot makes apt think it can autoremove a bunch of stuff. |
| 04:04.54 | MeatHammer | ok im gonna go reboot and try what TomTomTo1said. brb |
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| 04:05.25 | lindylex | Wicd can not connect coming out of hibernation or suspend. More info: http://paste.debian.net/402890/ |
| 04:05.31 | jmcnaught | Logg: it's probably not going to hurt anything if you leave it installed and just use an alternative. certainly easier and less error-prone than trying to remove it and dealing with the cascade of dependencies |
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| 04:06.14 | TomTomTo1 | do what the other's say, i've never even used debian, i'm on ubuntu. |
| 04:06.57 | markybob | TomTomTo1: you're fucking serious? |
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| 04:07.37 | TomTomTo1 | ^- that u-word makes is blood boil :D |
| 04:07.42 | TomTomTo1 | markybob, no :3 |
| 04:07.42 | markybob | TomTomTo1: wow. you're far more sensible than most ubuntu users |
| 04:07.47 | markybob | heh |
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| 04:08.23 | TomTomTo1 | just my usual bad jokes :P |
| 04:08.42 | dvs | !lart TomTomTo1 |
| 04:08.42 | dpkg | overclocks TomTomTo1 until TomTomTo1 burns out |
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| 04:10.45 | tpanarch1st | hello Err http://deb.bitmask.net/debian/ trusty/main python-twisted-core all 14.0.2-1ubuntu1 |
| 04:10.46 | tpanarch1st | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.46 | tpanarch1st | 0% [Working]E: Failed to fetch http://deb.bitmask.net/debian/pool/main/p/python-characteristic/python-characteristic_0.1.0-1_all.deb: 404 Not Found |
| 04:10.52 | tpanarch1st | not sure whats going on there :) is it down? |
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| 04:11.21 | TomTomTo1 | holds markybob back |
| 04:11.29 | MeetHammer_ | TomTomTo1: gksu synaptic yields the same error as before: http://pastebin.com/GFUg2TAj |
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| 04:12.10 | Logg | jmcnaught: I think I have to... adding custom shortcut "screenshot" with keyboard binding "Print" still calls gnome-screenshot (additionally...?), even after assigning scrot to it. If I want to use the print screen button to take a screenshot, and not have flash appear, I have to remove gnome-screenshot |
| 04:12.36 | TomTomTo1 | tpanarch1st, it's not down, the directory does not exist. btw, are you using jessie? |
| 04:12.43 | jmcnaught | Logg: or use a different key |
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| 04:12.56 | tpanarch1st | TomTomTo1: how do i update this please |
| 04:13.01 | Logg | jmcnaught: yeah, that's why I said "If I want to use the print screen button" |
| 04:13.03 | Logg | which I do |
| 04:13.16 | TomTomTo1 | tpanarch1st, answer my question please. |
| 04:13.31 | tpanarch1st | oh sorry, i misread that |
| 04:13.34 | tpanarch1st | rebecca |
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| 04:14.02 | TomTomTo1 | ubuntu support is over at #ubuntu |
| 04:14.09 | markybob | wtf is rebecca when you're asked if you're using jessie? |
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| 04:14.21 | markybob | oh, it's a new ubuntu release? |
| 04:14.22 | TomTomTo1 | it's the bad u-word again. |
| 04:14.31 | nkuttler | looks like mint |
| 04:14.40 | tpanarch1st | it is mint |
| 04:14.44 | nkuttler | !tell tpanarch1st about mint |
| 04:14.51 | TomTomTo1 | ah, fair enough |
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| 04:15.36 | TomTomTo1 | anyway, you added an ubuntu source. that's why i assumed. |
| 04:15.47 | nedstark | if jessie was ever installed on a kardashian home pc, it might become a rebecca |
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| 04:16.19 | tpanarch1st | but the mint lot are a nightmare, don't get on with them |
| 04:16.22 | tpanarch1st | funny little bot there ha |
| 04:16.25 | markybob | nedstark: we all know from the early 90's star strek next generation that anything kardashian is bad |
| 04:16.40 | TomTomTo1 | but we only support debian and windows me in here. |
| 04:16.41 | nkuttler | tpanarch1st: not our problem, we can't help you |
| 04:16.53 | tpanarch1st | thank you so incredibly much tpanarch1st |
| 04:16.55 | tpanarch1st | HAHA |
| 04:17.00 | tpanarch1st | nkuttler: |
| 04:17.03 | tpanarch1st | * |
| 04:17.08 | tpanarch1st | not caps* |
| 04:17.10 | markybob | tpanarch1st: he's not kidding. we don't know what mint does. we just can't help because of that |
| 04:17.18 | nedstark | however, Debian Special Operations forces is pursuing the mint hacker |
| 04:17.25 | tpanarch1st | that's understandable but "not my problem" is a tad harsh |
| 04:17.39 | TomTomTo1 | such is life. |
| 04:17.43 | tpanarch1st | oooh indeed nedstark that was interesting news :) |
| 04:17.56 | tpanarch1st | windows me lol TomTomTo1 |
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| 04:18.17 | nedstark | the 4 drones that debian bought from the govt auctions are up in the air |
| 04:18.25 | nkuttler | nedstark: #debian-offtopic |
| 04:18.44 | tpanarch1st | nkuttler: would say that lolll #beingharsh |
| 04:19.21 | nkuttler | tpanarch1st: if you want to have a meta discussion you too can join -offtopic |
| 04:20.29 | tpanarch1st | #perceived power does strange things to the mind |
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| 04:22.07 | nedstark | #debian-SOF is now open |
| 04:22.15 | remmona_dash | hi |
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| 04:26.11 | remmona_dash | I downloaded solydx and its kernel is in fact efi capabel but when I dd it in to flash drive it is not efi. I love to ave it installed on my hard drive and it hasto be efi install. any workaround people? thanks |
| 04:26.43 | quantic | What is solydx? |
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| 04:27.18 | remmona_dash | https://solydxk.com/ quantic |
| 04:27.29 | remmona_dash | solydx |
| 04:27.57 | jmcnaught | remmona_dash: it's based on debian, but only Debian itself is supported here. you'll need to find their support channel. |
| 04:28.34 | themill | #solydx exists |
| 04:29.05 | themill | or at least it used to |
| 04:29.13 | remmona_dash | jmcnaught: doesn't have. it has a channel with one guy only |
| 04:29.31 | jmcnaught | remmona_dash: i recommend using Debian then, for the excellent support community :) |
| 04:29.45 | themill | possibly #solydxk according to dpkg |
| 04:30.23 | remmona_dash | jmcnaught: it is debian just with pre-installed xfce |
| 04:30.39 | remmona_dash | I hoped you could help me |
| 04:31.40 | jmcnaught | remmona_dash: there are always a lot more changes in derivatives than the stuff that gets preinstalled, and Debian has so many derivatives it's not fair to expect Debian people to keep track of all of them and their changes. If it's really not that different, it can't hurt just to use Debian though eh? |
| 04:31.58 | themill | The debian installer can do UEFI installation but you need to make sure you use UEFI to boot the installer. |
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| 04:33.25 | de-facto_ | Hey guys can someone quickly tell me how i can add a patch to a debian package which does not have debian/patches directoy yet? what do i need to add in debian/rules= |
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| 04:38.31 | themill | de-facto_: which package? |
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| 04:46.25 | de-facto_ | themill this here http://packages.spectrum.im/spectrum2/pool/main/s/spectrum2/spectrum2_2.0.2-1.dsc |
| 04:47.23 | de-facto_ | but i think i have it already |
| 04:47.30 | de-facto_ | it uses quilt 3.0 |
| 04:47.55 | de-facto_ | so i just created debian/patches/series and debian/patches/mypatch.patch |
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| 04:48.19 | de-facto_ | but it does not apply yet... relative to what directory is it? |
| 04:48.23 | themill | yes, that should work (they should ship the patches/series file) |
| 04:48.38 | themill | !debsrc3.0 |
| 04:48.38 | dpkg | Rather than having a long set of diffs containing the changelog and any Debian-specific patches to a package in a <diff.gz>, source packages may have a <debian.tar.gz> file instead. See http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 for more information on how to work with the 3.0 source format. See also <policy> <nmg> <source package> <quilt>. |
| 04:49.25 | themill | it is applied with -p1 from the toplevel directory of the package |
| 04:49.29 | themill | (quilt push) |
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| 04:50.47 | de-facto_ | hmm so a/childoftop/file.cpp b/childoftop/file.cpp |
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| 04:51.02 | themill | yes |
| 04:51.03 | de-facto_ | how do i create a properly formated patch? diff -ruN? |
| 04:51.16 | themill | getting quilt to do it is simplest |
| 04:51.24 | de-facto_ | how ? |
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| 04:52.37 | themill | https://raphaelhertzog.com/2012/08/08/how-to-use-quilt-to-manage-patches-in-debian-packages/ |
| 04:52.52 | themill | yes you can just do it with diff too |
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| 04:53.20 | de-facto_ | ooh my thats overly complex |
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| 04:54.15 | de-facto_ | i have it edited manually, which diff command will provide me a patch that quilt eats without complaints? |
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| 05:04.46 | bukkake | What's up faggots? |
| 05:05.44 | rabbitear | not too much, hows your day going? |
| 05:06.09 | bukkake | Not too bad |
| 05:06.19 | rabbitear | listens to stayin' alive by the beegees |
| 05:06.34 | mrrhq | Lol, wut? |
| 05:06.43 | mrrhq | Hi. |
| 05:06.46 | rabbitear | thats good |
| 05:06.53 | TomTomTo1 | hopes it's not a medical emergency. |
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| 05:07.43 | rabbitear | if I see another Operation: no permitted string, I'm gonna quit and resort to wireshark/tcpdumps only |
| 05:07.52 | rabbitear | ^ thats a threat! |
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| 05:08.23 | JonnyK | can somebody tell me how i can make an iso out of an working Live USB-Stick |
| 05:08.39 | rabbitear | mystery box stuff, my iptables knownledge is not a ++ :( |
| 05:09.00 | somiaj | JonnyK: didn't the live usb-stick come from an iso in the first place? |
| 05:09.06 | rabbitear | JonnyK: dd |
| 05:09.31 | JonnyK | thank you |
| 05:09.34 | mrrhq | JonnyK: sudo dd if=/path/to/cdimage.iso of=/dev/sdX (Path to your thumbdrive.) |
| 05:09.35 | rabbitear | np |
| 05:09.37 | JonnyK | yeah it comes from an iso |
| 05:09.43 | JonnyK | another question |
| 05:09.45 | mrrhq | sudo fdisk -l to find your thumbdrive |
| 05:09.58 | JonnyK | is this szenrio possible |
| 05:09.59 | somiaj | JonnyK: so why do you want to put it back on an iso? |
| 05:09.59 | rabbitear | JonnyK: don't dd the local boxes drive tho |
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| 05:10.23 | JonnyK | i have 2 usb sticks one with an working live system and one empty |
| 05:10.24 | somiaj | mrrhq: think you are backwards, he wants to turn his current live usb into an iso |
| 05:10.27 | rabbitear | JonnyK: be aware |
| 05:10.36 | somiaj | JonnyK: and you just want to copy from the working one to the blank one? |
| 05:10.40 | JonnyK | no |
| 05:10.52 | JonnyK | i want to truecrypt the whole new stick first |
| 05:11.01 | JonnyK | and than copy it |
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| 05:11.34 | mrrhq | somiaj: Oh alright, my bad. |
| 05:11.55 | JonnyK | so i just want to have truecrypt as a wrapper around the whole OS |
| 05:12.09 | somiaj | JonnyK: that isn't going to be an easy task. the cp and dd options copy the whole partition scheme and filesystem. So you will not only have to copy over all the files, you'll have to set up the bootloader, and ability to decrypt the partition and so forth. I think there are some encrypted usb live systems out there (though not sure if debian provides any) |
| 05:12.45 | somiaj | JonnyK: any reason you need to encrypt the OS? Would encrypting your personal data be enough? |
| 05:12.48 | JonnyK | but i have to many settings and files on my stick right now |
| 05:12.51 | mrrhq | I don't think Truecrypt itself is supported anymore. Truecrypt has been forked to other projects. |
| 05:12.56 | JonnyK | i dont want setup a new one |
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| 05:13.12 | JonnyK | its secure i dont belive the hype |
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| 05:13.37 | jmcnaught | it's not the same as a live disk, but you can use the debian installer to install to a USB disk and encrypt it just like an internal drive |
| 05:13.40 | mrrhq | I can believe it, but I know for a fact it isn't really supported, even in Debian. |
| 05:13.57 | JonnyK | you can read under wich mysterioes reasons they stopped to work on truecrypt |
| 05:13.59 | mrrhq | Most Linux users encrpyt with LUKS or dm-crypt. |
| 05:14.00 | JonnyK | i dont belive it |
| 05:14.18 | JonnyK | mrrhq |
| 05:14.28 | JonnyK | the treucrypt ist setted up first |
| 05:14.40 | JonnyK | as a wrapper |
| 05:14.50 | JonnyK | on boot you have to encrypt first |
| 05:15.00 | JonnyK | i think it works like that |
| 05:15.36 | mrrhq | Best of luck. Unfortunatly, I don't have any experiance with TC. |
| 05:15.52 | markybob | JonnyK: no. whole disk encryption with truecrypt in debian will not work |
| 05:16.04 | JonnyK | not on debian but under windows |
| 05:16.18 | markybob | JonnyK: so why are you asking in #debian? |
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| 05:16.44 | JonnyK | are you stupid did you read my question |
| 05:16.57 | markybob | yes i'm very stupid |
| 05:17.00 | JonnyK | i see |
| 05:17.06 | lesta | please |
| 05:17.09 | jmcnaught | JonnyK: that's not a good way to get assistance |
| 05:17.29 | rabbitear | JonnyK: you're 86th'd from the bar |
| 05:17.48 | rabbitear | oh wait, that's me |
| 05:17.50 | namespace | Truecrypt is probably backdoored. |
| 05:17.53 | namespace | I wouldn't use it tbh. |
| 05:18.04 | JonnyK | 7.1 ? |
| 05:18.07 | rabbitear | 8 |
| 05:18.16 | somiaj | JonnyK: copying a live system to an encrypted drive is not a straight forward task. You will still have to figure out how to make the live system bootable. |
| 05:18.24 | mrrhq | Most governments can't crack TC. |
| 05:18.25 | TomTomTo1 | but windows is backdored too so it's more of an enhanced experience. |
| 05:18.35 | nedstark | bestcrypt is good |
| 05:18.35 | mrrhq | I always see news stories about governments not decrypting TC. |
| 05:18.40 | nedstark | it costs though |
| 05:18.44 | mrrhq | So there's probably no backdoor. |
| 05:18.46 | JonnyK | mrrhq now you know why theyx stopped work |
| 05:19.26 | nedstark | they don't understand the basics of security |
| 05:19.31 | nedstark | backdoors are really frontdoors |
| 05:19.44 | nedstark | paper thin front doors |
| 05:19.52 | somiaj | please stay on topic. |
| 05:20.03 | nedstark | whats the topic |
| 05:20.13 | rabbitear | front doors |
| 05:20.18 | somiaj | nedstark: debian support |
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| 05:20.29 | somiaj | rabbitear: a lot of that is directed at you. |
| 05:20.36 | nedstark | you don't see this as support |
| 05:20.43 | nedstark | we are answering questions |
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| 05:20.46 | mrrhq | We can't really help him because he's using a Truecrypt volume. Does debian even have a truecrypt package? |
| 05:20.47 | markybob | no |
| 05:20.48 | rabbitear | somiaj: I'm always the nicest guy tho |
| 05:20.49 | JonnyK | you know also why lavabit stopped to work etc |
| 05:20.58 | rabbitear | somiaj: I guess I can take it |
| 05:21.07 | nedstark | security support is debian support |
| 05:22.14 | JonnyK | yeah than you need for every thing a channel |
| 05:22.32 | JonnyK | its so nonsense |
| 05:22.33 | jmcnaught | i think cryptsetup 1.6 added support for truecrypt containers |
| 05:22.47 | nedstark | topic nazis are the reason half the people needing support end up asking questions in ##linux |
| 05:23.02 | JonnyK | its good to stay on topic |
| 05:23.06 | markybob | nedstark: he's an op so i'd listen |
| 05:23.15 | rabbitear | ^ I agree with nedstark |
| 05:23.18 | nedstark | i am not concerned |
| 05:23.23 | JonnyK | but u cant say on every shit its not debian |
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| 05:23.53 | de-facto_ | does someone here know how to create a patch with diff that can get applied with quilt? |
| 05:23.53 | rabbitear | JonnyK: whats the issue again? |
| 05:24.37 | rabbitear | de-facto_: never heard of quilt myself |
| 05:24.43 | JonnyK | i want to make an iso out of my actual live system |
| 05:24.54 | JonnyK | to copy it on another true crypted oine |
| 05:24.59 | jmcnaught | nedstark: rabbitear: honestly i find the noise distracting, and it makes it harder for some people to get actual support. maybe you're looking for a different channel if you can't respect that. |
| 05:25.00 | JonnyK | or try to |
| 05:25.17 | rabbitear | JonnyK: you need to read up on 'syslinux' and 'dd' |
| 05:25.30 | JonnyK | ok i will |
| 05:25.30 | rabbitear | JonnyK: its doable |
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| 05:25.39 | JonnyK | but dd is the wrong one i think |
| 05:25.54 | somiaj | JonnyK: as I mentioned you need to not only copy over the files, you'll have to manually set up the bootloader, and the ability to decrypt the partition. But it won't really be supported here |
| 05:25.59 | nedstark | jmcnaught: maybe this attitude problem is why linus never used debian |
| 05:26.00 | JonnyK | i just was hoping someone already done it here maybe |
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| 05:27.09 | rabbitear | jmcnaught: you're life is incomplete then without headphones |
| 05:27.16 | somiaj | JonnyK: I personally think it will be easiest to start with a live system that uses encryption. Though it seems if you really want truecrypt, you might have to look into a different distro. Would something like proxmox (I think that is an encrypted live system based on debian) work for you. |
| 05:27.26 | rabbitear | jmcnaught: /your/ life |
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| 05:28.48 | JonnyK | why did you ban him somiaj |
| 05:28.52 | JonnyK | what he did to you |
| 05:29.17 | somiaj | JonnyK: he has been nothing but noise. He also has an history, the quiet will remove itself in a few hours. |
| 05:29.20 | JonnyK | the problem is i dont want to change it as i said i have to many files |
| 05:29.47 | JonnyK | its so wrong from you he didnt say anything rude |
| 05:29.59 | nedstark | tomorrow morning I will uninstall debian on the 259 servers i am responsible for in 12 states |
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| 05:30.11 | JonnyK | i really really really hope the reallife will never get like an channel here :-) |
| 05:30.15 | TomTomTo1 | i are free to do so. |
| 05:30.18 | nedstark | you helped me make up my mind |
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| 05:30.41 | TomTomTo1 | s/i/you ah well. |
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| 05:31.15 | JonnyK | you know dictators also just killed someone who was critical its like here lol |
| 05:31.59 | JonnyK | and linux got a large free mind history i think this really doesnt fit |
| 05:32.27 | JonnyK | maybe you should better think how to handle with people we are all humans |
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| 05:32.40 | nkuttler | JonnyK: #debian-offtopic |
| 05:32.59 | JonnyK | thats what i mean thank you nkuttler |
| 05:33.06 | JonnyK | it was the perfect timing |
| 05:33.10 | somiaj | JonnyK: Would you like a quiet too. I have asked many times for people to stay on topic (so people with actual support questions can get help). |
| 05:33.11 | JonnyK | :-) |
| 05:33.23 | namespace | somiaj: He's certainly not *not* asking for one. |
| 05:33.27 | lesta | I am lost, where I can download the Jessie amd64 USB netinstall iso image? |
| 05:33.29 | jmcnaught | it's fine to joke around in here, but people prefer to keep this channel somewhat professional (they might be helping you while at work or around their kids), and it's specifically a support channel, not a social channel. It's always funny to watch the immature whiners get all Godwin's Law any time something gets enforced though |
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| 05:33.45 | JonnyK | lol somiaj |
| 05:33.45 | JonnyK | JonnyK: Would you like a quiet too. where are we here :D |
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| 05:34.00 | markybob | lesta: is this for a laptop? |
| 05:34.05 | lesta | yes |
| 05:34.11 | lesta | no CD / DVD |
| 05:34.14 | somiaj | lesta: do you need non-free firmware for your wifi card? |
| 05:34.20 | lesta | yes |
| 05:34.29 | markybob | lesta: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:34.36 | somiaj | lesta: any of the debian .iso images can be put on a usb drive, but you want might the unoffical installer that markybob linked for the firmware. |
| 05:35.07 | lesta | markybob and somiaj: thank you so much |
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| 05:41.45 | cryptic | would anyone care to confirm my suspicions that my hard drive is failing? http://pastebin.com/kKxkS88f |
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| 05:42.18 | somiaj | cryptic: it could also be the sata controler and sometimes just a bad sata wire |
| 05:42.32 | epsilon | what does smatctl say? |
| 05:42.36 | somiaj | but that looks very similar to what happened when my drive failed. |
| 05:42.37 | epsilon | smartctl |
| 05:42.51 | cryptic | somiaj: it's a remote-hosted machine, so I don't have access to that. fuck. |
| 05:43.33 | remmona_dash | guys; how could I find out which version of grub is installed on my system? efi 0r bois? |
| 05:43.39 | remmona_dash | bios |
| 05:43.58 | nkuttler | remmona_dash: doesn't grub display it? |
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| 05:44.08 | remmona_dash | nkuttler: how? |
| 05:44.35 | somiaj | remmona_dash: check the package name, dpkg -l | grep grub |
| 05:44.41 | somiaj | remmona_dash: grub-pc is legacy, grub-efi is efi |
| 05:45.00 | somiaj | you can also check to see if /boot/efi is mounted |
| 05:45.29 | cryptic | i'm checking the smartctl output now; i just need to install smartmontools firts |
| 05:45.41 | cryptic | which is taking an insane amount of time because of the issue |
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| 05:46.19 | somiaj | cryptic: my suggestion. get a backup if you can, contact the admins who have hardware access to debug if it is really the drive or something else. |
| 05:46.43 | cryptic | thanks somiaj, i'm going to try to backup everything now |
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| 05:47.46 | cryptic | yeah, i can't install smartmontools because of an input/output error |
| 05:47.49 | remmona_dash | somiaj: For efi system what should I remove? http://dpaste.cc/paste/56cd4549bc222fc949c3e33b |
| 05:49.00 | cryptic | now the fun question, how should I back this up? |
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| 05:49.17 | somiaj | remmona_dash: grub-pc is for legacy boot, don't think you need it (I actually thought they conflicted, guess not) |
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| 05:50.05 | somiaj | cryptic: hope you have regular backups, if it is to the point that you can't get anything from that drive. It could be someone with physical access can still get data but in its current state you may just have to wait for your support ticket to be addressed |
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| 05:50.29 | remmona_dash | somiaj: how to purge it? |
| 05:50.46 | somiaj | remmona_dash: I would double check you are actually booting into efi and not legacy other wise this may make your system not bootable. |
| 05:50.54 | somiaj | remmona_dash: just remove it like any package, apt-get remove |
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| 05:51.34 | somiaj | you probabaly also don't need both the amd64 and ia32-bin packages. |
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| 05:53.51 | jmcnaught | remmona_dash: also remember that instructions for Debian might not apply to solydxk if that's still what you're using. |
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| 05:54.50 | remmona_dash | somiaj: any command to check if they are depend on each other. |
| 05:55.16 | somiaj | remmona_dash: if you aren't running debian you should probabaly get support in the correct place. apt-cache show packagename is useful |
| 05:56.14 | somiaj | there is also apt-cache depends and rdepends |
| 05:56.52 | cryptic | somiaj: going forward, what's the best way to make regular backups? |
| 05:57.05 | cryptic | because let's just say this is a hard lesson that I'm learning |
| 05:57.56 | somiaj | cryptic: this can be a complicated question and depends on if you want backups or copies (a backup, you should be able to recover data at any time stamp, while a copy will only give you the latest copy of the data) |
| 05:58.15 | somiaj | rsync is really good for the copy backup, works over ssh on any *nix machine that has rsync. |
| 05:58.24 | cryptic | I'll look into rsync |
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| 05:58.37 | cryptic | I use debian on my server and desktop and have been looking for a good solution |
| 05:58.45 | somiaj | with ssh keys you can then set up a cron job to run backups regurally, and rsync is nice because it only copies the changes so it saves on time/banwidth |
| 05:59.16 | remmona_dash | jmcnaught: somiaj I dd the image on to thumb-drive and it wasn't efi. I booted into it anyway. then I copied the entire / except sys dev proc directory to my hard drive. then I used another efi liveusb (this one is efi) and chrooted in to my hdd. now I am installing/making an efi debian system out of it. (IF IT IS IN FACT POSSIBLE THIS WAY!!!?) and as the things go solydx is infact debian through and |
| 05:59.19 | somiaj | rdiff-backup and other soultions are a bit more useful if you want a full backup, though I just use rsync myself (but I can't recover data due to user error) |
| 05:59.21 | nkuttler | cryptic: check out rdiff-backup. i like backuppc, but that's a little heavy |
| 05:59.22 | remmona_dash | through. just an xfce on the top. |
| 05:59.25 | de-facto_ | OMG i found my error with patch: i used cat > patchfile <<EOF and instead of <<'EOF' hahaha guess in the source was $password hence shell replaced it with "" |
| 05:59.28 | de-facto_ | dang |
| 05:59.49 | remmona_dash | share your thought please/ it is appritiated! ;) |
| 05:59.55 | de-facto_ | was not quilts fault the whole time |
| 05:59.56 | cryptic | this is so weird: top - 00:59:45 up 15:50, 0 users, load average: 7.90, 8.09, 8.04 |
| 06:00.05 | jmcnaught | cryptic: duply is one that i like, it does encrypted remote backups. borg is an interesting one that is sorta new, available in jessie-backports. duplicity and backupninja also worth checking out |
| 06:00.07 | somiaj | !tell remmona_dash about based on debian |
| 06:00.07 | cryptic | i don't understand why the load is so heavy |
| 06:00.52 | somiaj | remmona_dash: note tehre are lot of similarities, but we choose to support only pure debian (not any based on debian). That being said, yes you can change an install from legacy to efi boot by using an efi live system, chrooting into your system and setting it up. Then just remove the legacy boot packages now that you have done that. |
| 06:01.01 | jmcnaught | remmona_dash: if you're using debian now it's cool, it's just frustrating when people using other distros try to get help here :) |
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| 06:01.17 | somiaj | cryptic: does top also tell you what is using the cpu at the time? It could be lost of cpu use because of a failing drive. |
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| 06:01.42 | somiaj | remmona_dash: I'll assume you are on debian now. (: |
| 06:01.57 | cryptic | somiaj: it doesn't seem like any process is responsible for the cpu use |
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| 06:02.09 | cryptic | service --status-all |
| 06:02.09 | cryptic | bash: /usr/sbin/service: Input/output error |
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| 06:02.34 | somiaj | de-facto_: well glad you tracked down the issue. Were you told about #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net? |
| 06:03.06 | somiaj | cryptic: could be just the kernel constantly messing with the drive that isn't working. |
| 06:03.25 | somiaj | cryptic: but at this point I would focus on figuring out the drive issue and consider other issues once you get that one resolved. |
| 06:03.32 | remmona_dash | jmcnaught: I understand. but when it is debian. it is debian. and I want you consider I am on debian like any other debian user. thank you on that |
| 06:03.34 | cryptic | yeah, I'll put in the support request right now |
| 06:03.34 | somiaj | cryptic: which of course may be a waiting game. |
| 06:03.43 | cryptic | I don't think I'll be able to recover the data, which sucks |
| 06:04.05 | remmona_dash | somiaj: that's very cool. thanks man |
| 06:04.15 | somiaj | cryptic: don't give up hope. When my drive did that I got the data off it. I just had to not be running an os on it at the same time. |
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| 06:05.20 | cryptic | I might try rebooting into recovery mode and seeing if I can access the data that way |
| 06:05.48 | jmcnaught | remmona_dash: it's just that we get people in here pretending to use Debian, and often the differences in their distro lead to confusion and things going wrong. It's also a respect issue, respecting the boundaries of the people volunteering their time here. |
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| 06:10.09 | remmona_dash | jmcnaught: understand the first. respect the second but I wish they consider that they're spending their time helping a debian user |
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| 06:10.38 | remmona_dash | but in fact that is their choice |
| 06:11.09 | remmona_dash | fopen: Permission denied |
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| 06:11.34 | remmona_dash | what does it mean. if I am in chroot I have the root auth. don't I? |
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| 06:13.03 | somiaj | remmona_dash: did you mount /dev, /proc and other such systems in your chroot you may need? What are you trying to open with fopen? |
| 06:14.31 | somiaj | remmona_dash: it is helpful if you give the command you ran that gave the error. |
| 06:14.38 | remmona_dash | do we have a command or series of commands to check if the debian system is healthy. i.e all the important files are where they're supposed to be and all the config files. something like that. |
| 06:15.16 | remmona_dash | somiaj: -o bind for proc and --rbind for sys and dev. and that command was "apt-get purge grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub-efi-ia32-bin" |
| 06:16.08 | jmcnaught | remmona_dash: there's a debsums tool that will verify checksums (for packages that have them). There's also intrusion detection systems like tripwire and aide that will monitor for files that get changed. |
| 06:16.45 | cryptic | this is a nightmare |
| 06:16.50 | cryptic | last thing I wanted to be doing tonight |
| 06:17.31 | somiaj | cryptic: maybe step away from it until you hear back from someone with hardware access. |
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| 06:24.03 | cryptic | somiaj: I'm just having trouble getting hardware serial numbers |
| 06:25.13 | cryptic | even in rescue mode, it's impossible to mount the drives |
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| 06:30.03 | Sir_Designer | Trump 46.5%, Rubio 23.5%, Cruz 20.3%, Carson 5.6%, Kasich 3.7% with 17% reporting |
| 06:30.31 | nkuttler | Sir_Designer: not in #debian |
| 06:30.45 | Sir_Designer | sorry, wrong ch |
| 06:31.15 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 06:42.15 | mrrhq | remmona_dash: One important thing if you're really worried about stuff like that would probably be a rootkit checker and remover, like chkrootkit, rkhunter or unhide. |
| 06:42.46 | cryptic | just got confirmation: both hard drives are gone |
| 06:42.49 | mrrhq | Depends on what you mean by unhealthy |
| 06:43.15 | mrrhq | cryptic: ddrescue ? |
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| 06:43.42 | somiaj | cryptic: sometimes life lessons are hard, sleepign on it and steping away is sometimes good. It will still be there tomorrow to work on. |
| 06:43.58 | cryptic | mrrhq: not sure if that'll work, but i'll give it a shot. thanks |
| 06:44.13 | cryptic | somiaj: indeed. unfortunately, this is a production server, so I have to have it up by morning |
| 06:44.28 | mrrhq | cryptic: No prob. I haven't had to do that sorta thing before, but I wish you luck. Godspeed. |
| 06:45.17 | somiaj | cryptic: best of luck. Was this a dedicated server? Did you ask if the datacenter has backups? |
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| 06:47.24 | cryptic | yeah it's a dedicated server, but there are no backups |
| 06:47.31 | cryptic | I have backups of what matters, though |
| 06:47.55 | cryptic | for the most part |
| 06:48.02 | cryptic | e-mail is backed up locally, etc. |
| 06:48.11 | somiaj | cryptic: you may want to see if the datacenter has backup services. But that is a problem for another day, hopefully you get a new server up soon. |
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| 06:56.09 | cryptic | thanks for all of your help, everyone |
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| 06:59.31 | anes | Hi friends , problem in .deb creation in pygtk project... any body can advise? |
| 07:01.08 | somiaj | anes: you can ask the question here and explain the problem, though #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net may be a bit more helpful on packaging quesitons |
| 07:01.40 | anes | somia: ok thanks |
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| 07:46.35 | jvava | jmcnaught, yes, sometimes kernel emit error message, like: |
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| 07:48.16 | jmcnaught | jvava: where are those errors? what are you doing when they happen? |
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| 07:48.57 | jvava | im compiling docker which pull some packages, then stop and every console display this message |
| 07:50.58 | jmcnaught | jvava: strange. i guess if you make a paste of the commands and output someone might know something here. i've played a bit with docker, but i used the packages |
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| 08:14.11 | Arone_ | hi |
| 08:14.28 | Arone_ | i can ask question about Opendkim here ? |
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| 08:21.33 | DDR | It's a free country. |
| 08:21.49 | DDR | I figure if you shouldn't, no harm done at least. :) |
| 08:22.14 | hiya | DDR, 1,2,3? |
| 08:22.15 | hiya | :P |
| 08:23.00 | Arone_ | i have install OpenDKIM |
| 08:23.13 | Arone_ | for my first domaine the DKIM signature work well but , |
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| 08:23.27 | Arone_ | i a creat a another key it was the same |
| 08:23.37 | Arone_ | and DKIM for the 2 second domaine |
| 08:23.38 | Arone_ | dont work |
| 08:23.48 | Arone_ | ( sorry for this crap english ) |
| 08:24.13 | Arone_ | OpenDKIM creat a single key per domaine or it was the same for all ? |
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| 08:26.41 | psopacua038 | If you guys would use lumen, would you guys define an own config/configName.php file or defined it with the config helper ? (Lumen 5.2) |
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| 08:40.30 | remmona_dash | windows 8.1 created 3 extrapartitions besides its own. 1 is efi fat32 and the other one is called recovery with hidden,diag flags the last on is called reserved with msftres. I don't know any of them except ESP boot efi partition |
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| 08:40.48 | remmona_dash | Does grub2-efi find my win 8.1 too? |
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| 08:58.37 | aricz | Hi, I know this isn't really Debian specific, if it's frowned upon, just ignore the question and I'll be quiet. |
| 08:58.38 | bulk | hi bodies |
| 08:58.50 | aricz | Anyone have experience with virtual interfaces? We're trying to connect 1 wifi-adapter to 2 access points.. |
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| 09:01.10 | bulk | where is the install icon for musix live cd? |
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| 09:09.36 | mrrhq | Interesting. I have no idea how or why you would want to connect to 2 access points at the same time. |
| 09:11.13 | aricz | Hehe yeah, it's a strange one |
| 09:11.32 | bogus- | because of reasons |
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| 09:13.12 | aricz | We need to have internet access and acces to another AP (a drone) |
| 09:13.55 | aricz | and we're using an Intel Edison to communicate with the internet and the drone.. just.. to communicate with the drone, we have to be on its wifinet |
| 09:14.19 | aricz | we didn't see this earlier in the project.. and now we're trying to figure out how to solve this, and we now know virtual interfaces might be something that'll fix it.. |
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| 09:16.25 | 7GHAACM0Y | hi all. I have a problem with exim4 in debian jessie but only in one machine. I can't start due to the following error "Cannot open main log file "/var/log/exim4/mainlog": Permission denied: euid=104 egid=109" but I have the right permissions, even I have move that folder from othe machine with exim4 running fine. |
| 09:16.28 | 7GHAACM0Y | any idea? |
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| 09:19.21 | babilen | aricz: Something like https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/documentation/iw#adding_interfaces_with_iw might be what you are thinking about. You should then be able to configure each independently .. but my impression is that the ability to do so depends on the chipset and that not all of them would be capable of this. |
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| 09:19.37 | babilen | Never done it though, but worth playing around with |
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| 09:23.45 | aricz | babilen: Thank you! We will check it out |
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| 09:29.53 | Logg | anyone know the name of that software that lets you launch programs...? sorry that I couldn't be more vague. |
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| 09:30.15 | darxmurf | ? |
| 09:30.27 | Stummi | Logg, sh |
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| 09:31.08 | babilen | Logg: Launch it how? |
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| 09:31.43 | Logg | well. I just installed "awesome" desktop manager, and it's tiling, and there's no start menu. start menu usually has a bar in it that you can search for programs to launch |
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| 09:31.53 | babilen | Ah! |
| 09:32.00 | Logg | I want to be able to type into a text box, and search fuzzily for a program |
| 09:32.01 | Logg | and launch it |
| 09:32.25 | Stummi | Logg, dmenu |
| 09:32.26 | babilen | You might be looking for dmenu or i3menu |
| 09:32.29 | Stummi | is what I use for this |
| 09:32.30 | ivanovsky | hi guys /clear |
| 09:32.36 | Logg | dmenu! Yup. that's the name. <3 <3 <3 thank you |
| 09:33.22 | 7GHAACM0Y | why can't start exim4 due to problems opening logs with the right permissions? |
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| 09:35.24 | ivanovsky | yesterday i installed jessie 8.0. But after installation was done, i got a CLI terminal instead of desktop environment. And i didn't know how to connect to ppp. Can somebody help me? Thanks :) |
| 09:36.51 | nkuttler | ivanovsky: which problem do you want to solve first? |
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| 09:37.22 | nkuttler | ivanovsky: do you need ppp to get online? what kind of ppp? |
| 09:37.29 | ivanovsky | actually, my main problem is i want to connect to the ppp internet. |
| 09:37.44 | nkuttler | ivanovsky: pppoe? |
| 09:37.49 | ivanovsky | ppp for broadband |
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| 09:38.22 | nkuttler | 7GHAACM0Y: what's the error? |
| 09:38.28 | superlinux | hi. I installed apt-cacher-ng. however it looks like I cannot use apt-fast script which uses aria2c or axel to increase the speed of my downloads |
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| 09:38.42 | mrrhq | Logg: Hold on, I think you can use Win+R to run programs in Awesome. |
| 09:38.49 | 7GHAACM0Y | nkuttler: Cannot open main log file "/var/log/exim4/mainlog": Permission denied: euid=104 egid=109 |
| 09:38.53 | mrrhq | So you might not even need dmenu. |
| 09:38.55 | ivanovsky | nkuttler ppp for broadband or GSM |
| 09:39.09 | nkuttler | ivanovsky: i've never worked with that |
| 09:39.32 | nkuttler | 7GHAACM0Y: well, that dir should be owned by the exim user |
| 09:39.54 | 7GHAACM0Y | nkuttler: It is default conf by exim. I have checked the permission and looks right but when I have checked with user Debian-exim from bash give me problems |
| 09:40.11 | nkuttler | 7GHAACM0Y: problems? |
| 09:40.25 | nkuttler | 7GHAACM0Y: ls -ld /var/log/exim4/ |
| 09:40.25 | 7GHAACM0Y | nkuttler: the owner is right, even I have moved the folder from othe machine with debian jessie where is working. |
| 09:40.44 | nkuttler | 7GHAACM0Y: moved? |
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| 09:40.49 | superlinux | or I should say I cannot benefit from aria2c and apt-fast script to download from apt-cacher-ng on the server side |
| 09:40.58 | 7GHAACM0Y | nkuttler: rsync |
| 09:41.01 | 7GHAACM0Y | nkuttler: drwxr-s--- 2 Debian-exim adm 4096 feb 3 06:25 exim4/ |
| 09:41.17 | Logg | mrrhq: dmenu was the name of the software I wanted. I have Win+R already set to open a terminal, so I think it conflifcted with Awesome's keybinding and prevented me from learning about it. I'll look for mod4 - r in the config and map it somewhere else, see what it does. |
| 09:41.19 | ivanovsky | nkuttler: do you know how to download a package with all its dependencies (with certain architecture) from packages.debian.org? |
| 09:41.25 | nkuttler | 7GHAACM0Y: how do you start exim? |
| 09:41.36 | nkuttler | ivanovsky: there's stuff like apt-offline |
| 09:41.45 | Logg | see if I want to use that instead of dmenu. I know dmenu is good though |
| 09:41.50 | 7GHAACM0Y | nkuttler: systemctl start exim4 but I have tried with initd too |
| 09:42.11 | nkuttler | 7GHAACM0Y: ls -l /var/log/exim4/ ? |
| 09:42.12 | mrrhq | Logg: It is good, I just don't know if you wanted to install extra software. |
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| 09:42.42 | 7GHAACM0Y | nkuttler: -rw-r----- 1 Debian-exim adm 202 feb 24 10:04 mainlog |
| 09:42.57 | ivanovsky | nkuttler: thanks :) |
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| 09:43.27 | nkuttler | 7GHAACM0Y: maybe you lack permissions from a parent dir? or do you use something like apparmor? |
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| 09:46.43 | 7GHAACM0Y | nkuttler: I have debian jessie installation by default but I have exim4 working in othe 13 machines. Other clue, I have used exim user from console and when I do ls I have permission denied |
| 09:47.01 | Logg | mrrhq: that's good to know about, but I think I'll use dmenu |
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| 09:47.24 | 7GHAACM0Y | nkuttler: I don't understand the difference, I have compared the groups in my machines and are the same |
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| 09:56.26 | m0ltar | Hey! I'm stuck in some kind of evil apt loop. I'm trying to remove a package, and it hangs on trying to shut down the service. It just gets stuck forever. I've tried purging, reinstalling, removing, etc... |
| 09:56.33 | m0ltar | What can I do to force deletion? |
| 09:56.37 | m0ltar | The service isn't even running. |
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| 09:58.06 | themill | m0ltar: it'd be good to see it all in a pastebin |
| 09:58.20 | m0ltar | @themill: what exactly? |
| 09:58.46 | themill | anything (everything) |
| 09:58.58 | jelly | (the command lines you ran and their full output) |
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| 10:00.06 | m0ltar | @themill: https://gist.github.com/e928e7487a290ab7745c |
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| 10:01.47 | themill | never kill apt like that and never kill any process with -9 unless you wrote the code and know how it will fail |
| 10:02.09 | themill | and umm... stop being nasty to apt |
| 10:02.29 | m0ltar | Well, there is nothing I can do. It hangs and doesn't respond. |
| 10:02.48 | m0ltar | Ctrl+C does nothing. |
| 10:03.02 | jelly | does "systemctl status zabbix-agent.service" hang as well? |
| 10:03.13 | m0ltar | That's the thing that hangs |
| 10:03.19 | m0ltar | And it hangs everythign else |
| 10:03.25 | m0ltar | oh wait, you mean status |
| 10:03.27 | m0ltar | wait |
| 10:03.29 | jelly | did you try status specifically? |
| 10:04.27 | m0ltar | it doesn't hang |
| 10:04.38 | m0ltar | errors with: Failed to start LSB: Start zabbix-agent daemon. |
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| 10:06.49 | m0ltar | I think the issue is that there is no config file. |
| 10:06.52 | m0ltar | for zabbix agent. |
| 10:06.57 | m0ltar | I've removed it all manually. |
| 10:07.06 | m0ltar | And apt refuses to install it again |
| 10:07.19 | m0ltar | And it freezes if I try to remove the package to reinstall it. |
| 10:07.24 | m0ltar | That's the loop I'm stuck in. |
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| 10:17.01 | remmona_dash | any answer for me? |
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| 10:23.27 | 7GHAACM0Y | nkuttler: I have solved, thanks, in /var/log appear strange permissions(root:adm and no other permission) that I have changed. |
| 10:23.33 | 7GHAACM0Y | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 10:27.17 | Bicou | Hi. This is not debian-related, however some of you might have ideas I didn't have so far. I can see that every day at the same time (almost to the second), there's a WiFi device that connects to my network (I can see the DHCP request/offer from my router's syslog), stays for a few minutes then disconnects. |
| 10:27.31 | Bicou | It's not one of my devices, and the MAC address seems invalid: 10:AE:60:FA:40:6B |
| 10:27.48 | Bicou | I tried to nmap -Pn it, but the host was reported down. Does not respond to ping. |
| 10:27.55 | Bicou | What can I do to identify it? |
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| 10:29.07 | pierre365 | hi |
| 10:29.48 | pierre365 | i have a PCI device which can be handled by 2 modules. does anyone know a way to force the device to use one module or the other please? |
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| 10:40.12 | vortek | is there i a guide for switching from kubuntu to debian.. cuase adding the sources for debian to sourceslist gav me tone off errors i even tried dist-upgrade.. any ideas |
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| 10:41.21 | ewew | vortek Simpler is to install debian then changing from one distro to another. My opinion. |
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| 10:42.16 | bogus- | holy crap vortek |
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| 10:53.12 | solinux | hi |
| 10:54.12 | vortek | well id install debian with disk but i have no disks or usb drives.. i got a usb with debian that has formware on it but it always dhcp times out.. i need a very long time for it to configure my dhcp on windows |
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| 10:54.44 | vortek | forware=firmeare |
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| 10:56.07 | vortek | but dhcp times out in debian netinstall and google isn't much help. any one now how to make the netinstall wait longer for dhcp? |
| 10:56.53 | Flashtek | why does it time out is the question ? |
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| 11:00.29 | vortek | im not shure |
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| 11:01.18 | vortek | but it take longer then the defaukkt 15 seconds given by debian netinstall |
| 11:01.30 | vortek | i mean default |
| 11:01.59 | vortek | it take bout 30 seconds in windows 7 |
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| 11:05.20 | MaBunny | Guys wht should i download,the smaller or the complete debian iso??? |
| 11:05.58 | vortek | but i can do the iso |
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| 11:06.08 | bazhang | MaBunny, net install |
| 11:06.13 | vortek | no cd or dvd :( |
| 11:06.13 | MaBunny | I want to run it on my 1gb quad core android smartphone so i thought of using this |
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| 11:06.27 | vortek | or usb |
| 11:06.45 | MaBunny | https://sourceforge.net/projects/limbopcemulator/files/Current%20Releases/ |
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| 11:07.05 | MaBunny | It is limbo and it can run debian |
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| 11:07.29 | vortek | im handiicapped and on disability and all of my money goes to paying my bills heh |
| 11:07.46 | vortek | so i cant buy usb or cd |
| 11:07.56 | MaBunny | Does the complete iso comes with a GUI??im a poor boy in linux commands :) |
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| 11:09.07 | vortek | later all |
| 11:09.17 | MaBunny | Guys??? |
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| 11:11.27 | Xing | Yes, you can choose graphic install |
| 11:12.19 | Xing | And the complete iso is 3+ Gb |
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| 11:12.54 | Xing | Better install with wired network |
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| 11:20.57 | MaBunny | I cant use wired bcoz my computer isnt working |
| 11:21.34 | MaBunny | Ok if i choose the smaller version can i later install the GUI?? |
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| 11:22.21 | MaBunny | I was checking the ftp servers,but couldnt find an iso |
| 11:22.37 | Xing | Yes you can |
| 11:22.43 | MaBunny | Can you guys send a link to the iso |
| 11:22.48 | MaBunny | Ok thnx |
| 11:22.49 | Xing | Is it a laptop? |
| 11:23.03 | MaBunny | No smartphone |
| 11:23.25 | Xing | I mean your computer |
| 11:23.35 | MaBunny | I am on a smartphone(android) now,1gb ram quad core |
| 11:23.43 | Xing | You need the link to the Debian ISO file? |
| 11:24.02 | MaBunny | Will use it for coding only,and yes a link pls |
| 11:24.17 | Xing | Where are you? You should choose a mirror |
| 11:24.59 | MaBunny | Ok |
| 11:25.05 | Xing | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 11:25.12 | Xing | This is official |
| 11:25.21 | MaBunny | Thnx :) |
| 11:26.05 | Xing | you still need a wired connection if you want to configure wifi |
| 11:26.21 | MaBunny | Ok thts too much space to download |
| 11:26.46 | Xing | Bittorrent is an option |
| 11:27.06 | Xing | I usually use BT to download these things |
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| 11:28.44 | MaBunny | No they dont allow torrent in india |
| 11:28.45 | humbot | that is an amd64 iso, won't an android need armhf or something ? |
| 11:28.58 | MaBunny | Atleast some operators dont |
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| 11:29.20 | Xing | I'm sorry I didn't understand you |
| 11:29.31 | MaBunny | But i was checking the options for tiny usb sticks |
| 11:29.47 | MaBunny | Whts the download size for tht? |
| 11:30.05 | Xing | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/arm64/iso-dvd/debian-8.3.0-arm64-DVD-1.iso |
| 11:30.11 | humbot | is it easy to put debian on a phone now? |
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| 11:30.35 | MaBunny | Actually operators/isps (some of them) dont allow bittorrent on their networks |
| 11:30.54 | MaBunny | Yes im trying to do so |
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| 11:31.11 | Xing | I m also surprised when I know MaBunny wants to use debian on a phone... |
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| 11:31.37 | humbot | maybe phones have intel chips now, i don't know |
| 11:31.41 | Xing | the size is 4.2G |
| 11:31.48 | Xing | arm64 |
| 11:32.04 | humbot | ah, cool |
| 11:32.09 | MaBunny | Dont tease me,but im using a apk to do so |
| 11:32.24 | Xing | Cool! |
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| 11:32.33 | MaBunny | Do u want the link(sourceforge)?? |
| 11:32.41 | Xing | There shoul be a mirror in india |
| 11:32.56 | Xing | Sure! |
| 11:33.10 | MaBunny | Ok xing i dont want the 3gb file n wait |
| 11:33.52 | RRM | Hrm |
| 11:33.52 | MaBunny | Heres the link : https://sourceforge.net/projects/limbopcemulator/?source=navbar |
| 11:34.05 | MaBunny | No root required!!! |
| 11:34.57 | Xing | Your project? |
| 11:35.01 | MaBunny | Xing: can you send me the option for usb sticks?? Anyone less thn 250mb size |
| 11:35.07 | MaBunny | No not mine |
| 11:35.16 | MaBunny | But good one :) |
| 11:35.31 | RRM | First my LG went into google play wont work, then and endless bootloop It is fine, as I got brand new replacement yesterday, now my tablet is doing the exact same thing as far as the play store |
| 11:35.41 | RRM | odd... |
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| 11:36.22 | MaBunny | I checked debian.org n the had a 280mb option for tiny CDs |
| 11:36.22 | Xing | There isn't an option for usb sticks |
| 11:36.35 | MaBunny | Ok |
| 11:36.47 | RRM | and this is the wrong channel for that lol sorry |
| 11:37.22 | MaBunny | No but is the smallest size only 280mb?? Im on a 3g network |
| 11:37.22 | Xing | can you access to the official website? |
| 11:37.27 | MaBunny | Yes |
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| 11:39.52 | humbot | according to this there is a netinstall: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/arm64/iso-cd/ |
| 11:40.00 | Xing | if you want to install Linux on a USB stick, why not puppy linux? |
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| 11:41.06 | humbot | but no indian mirror seems to carry arm64 https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 11:41.32 | MaBunny | No leave it am downloading the smaller(250mb) one |
| 11:42.14 | MaBunny | Thnx for your time guys :) |
| 11:42.37 | MaBunny | Theres no indian mirror |
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| 11:42.58 | humbot | yes, further down the page |
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| 11:43.11 | humbot | but, not for your architecture |
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| 11:44.59 | MaBunny | Ok thnx guys will be back after the download bye :) |
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| 11:46.54 | humbot | is the weakest link in the download chain really going to be country to country or the last mile? |
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| 11:48.36 | humbot | oh it's an x86 emulator, poor guy |
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| 11:50.01 | jelly | huh, when did arm64 become an official arch |
| 11:50.43 | jelly | to answer my own question, jessie |
| 11:51.38 | Xing | He should use i386? |
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| 12:04.56 | hiya | I was idling at terminal and i got this message |
| 12:04.57 | hiya | Message from syslogd@localhost at Feb 24 12:39:52 ... |
| 12:04.58 | hiya | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:07.06 | ksk | "your orders please" is the message you got? look like the wall tool? whos logging in as syslogd? :) |
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| 12:11.49 | grawity | hiya: someone probably did `logger -p emerg "Your orders please"` |
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| 12:13.47 | hiya | ksk, grawity is it normal or NSA? |
| 12:14.05 | Iridos | nsa is normal |
| 12:14.15 | hiya | lol |
| 12:14.20 | hiya | but still? |
| 12:14.22 | hiya | I am scared |
| 12:14.43 | Iridos | just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you |
| 12:15.20 | hiya | Iridos, omg :( |
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| 12:19.20 | ksk | hiya: if someone is logged in and sent you a message its normal |
| 12:19.28 | ksk | if you dont exptect someone to be logged in its not normal :> |
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| 12:22.00 | noc-admin_ | Hey folks: newly installed debian 8 (64bit) (3.16.0-4) created /dev/sda2 ext at 7.75Gb. Is it needed ? I'm moving from a different OS so apologies if this appears to be an obvious Q. |
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| 12:24.33 | ntz | noc-admin_: yes, volumes with filesystems are indeed required even here in linux |
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| 12:38.26 | vivia | Hi ... ... how can I get the debug symbols for bash? /o\ |
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| 12:39.40 | ntz | vivia: by installing a debuginfo package |
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| 12:41.45 | ntz | https://wiki.debian.org/DebugPackage |
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| 12:44.12 | vivia | thanks, looking at it |
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| 12:59.28 | lowerz | hi |
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| 12:59.48 | lowerz | Does anyone know if the lenovo g555 supports 64bit ? |
| 12:59.50 | lowerz | http://www.cnet.com/products/lenovo-g555-0873-15-6-athlon-ii-m320-win-7-home-premium-3-gb-ram-160-gb-hdd/specs/ |
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| 13:00.39 | Guest21317 | hi, is possible run powerline on deb sid? I tried a lot o diffrent solutinon but nothing works. |
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| 13:01.52 | themill | lowerz: it claims to be in that table |
| 13:02.18 | lowerz | oh lol my bad |
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| 13:09.25 | JyZyXEL | Application: KSystemlog (ksystemlog), signal: Segmentation fault |
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| 13:16.44 | ays | how are most GUI wrappers for debian made? |
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| 13:16.57 | vortek | were can i get a list of current issues with sid? |
| 13:18.05 | DavidLSedlak | hi |
| 13:18.17 | ksk | vortek: bugs.debian.org? |
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| 13:18.31 | DavidLSedlak | polymer syntheses i believe ays |
| 13:20.28 | abrotman | Makes sense .. |
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| 13:22.05 | ays | haha. let me clearify. I meant GUI Interfaces. I tried monodevelop but it feels very bloated. |
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| 13:29.35 | jelly | eyes david |
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| 13:56.03 | cnygaard | How do you reserve disk space in debian-installer with LVM for other future partitions? |
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| 13:57.08 | psopacua038 | Anybody knowns how i can connect to a remote desktop that is Windows through a RDP file? |
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| 14:02.52 | cnygaard | Here is my debian preseed file, I'm trying to reserve 100GB for future use |
| 14:02.53 | cnygaard | http://pastebin.com/fMEZ1JwJ |
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| 14:09.25 | debhunterx | Hi, is there any way to remove locales from the system? (also including the dependencies)? |
| 14:09.26 | debhunterx | http://pastebin.com/pj8UTfLb |
| 14:09.36 | debhunterx | for years I'm getting those nasty errors on the console |
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| 14:10.34 | spleen | Hello |
| 14:10.52 | spleen | In what directory could i fould all systemd script ? |
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| 14:16.54 | Delf | themill: What do you mean by "I think the #systemd people are right here"? |
| 14:17.55 | psopacua038 | No one here who got experience with "Remmina" ? Trying to connect to a RDP, got the RDP file generated on the Windows 2012 R2 server. |
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| 14:19.44 | Delf | psopacua038: Look in the menus. Tools⦠import |
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| 14:20.58 | psopacua038 | Delft i did. |
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| 14:22.39 | Delf | psopacua038: Have you tried drag'n'drop? |
| 14:23.43 | jelly | psopacua038: I was somewhat unhappy with remmina and switched to xfreerdp after rdesktop, but I call it from command line |
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| 14:24.51 | psopacua038 | I am going to try it out with drag n drop. |
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| 14:26.24 | psopacua038 | Drag n drop also insert the same settings, not working |
| 14:26.29 | acer | anyone use debian with iphone, I wanted to retrieve pics. I plugged it in but nothing on my phone popped up to switch from charge to disk mode\ |
| 14:26.32 | psopacua038 | i am going to install xfreerdp now. |
| 14:26.34 | psopacua038 | try it again with that. |
| 14:26.35 | Delf | psopacua038: If it doesn't work. Start a terminal and try xfreerdp <file.rdp |
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| 14:26.51 | Delf | Might be installed already |
| 14:27.27 | Delf | Without the < |
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| 14:28.25 | GuestNew | What's the difference between Ubuntu Debian & Ubuntu? |
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| 14:28.45 | psopacua038 | lets try , yeah xfreerdp already installed! |
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| 14:29.36 | GuestNew | I mean Debian vs Ubuntu. What's the difference? |
| 14:29.37 | Delf | GuestNew: That could be a question for the Ubuntu guys in #ubuntu |
| 14:30.05 | GuestNew | So you don't know? Delf |
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| 14:31.01 | acer | GuestNew, Debian is totally free and Ubuntu is a child of debian that is Corporate and not totally free in the sense of free software but free in the sense you can download for free |
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| 14:31.28 | Lowl3v3l | acer, try using the word "libre" if you mean free as in freedom :) |
| 14:31.30 | DonaldDuck | The feel is different too. Ubuntu as a more Windows, forcing to using changes, philosophy... |
| 14:31.31 | bogus- | it's more "userfriendly" at the cost of free-ness |
| 14:31.41 | GuestNew | You mean free as libre not as gratis for Ubuntu? |
| 14:31.41 | Delf | GuestNew: The differences are somewhat decided by the Ubuntu since they're the ones making the changes, the differences. |
| 14:32.00 | Lowl3v3l | GuestNew, moreover canonical makes some... problematic decisions on their packages, their business strategies and so on. |
| 14:32.47 | GuestNew | I'm thinking about to switch from Windows to Linux. Which one should I use debian or ubuntu? |
| 14:32.59 | bogus- | depends on your reasons for switching |
| 14:33.12 | acer | well in here we'd say Debian, over there they'd say Ubuntu |
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| 14:33.25 | psopacua038 | Well i am getting further @ Delft & Jelly. thanx for the first part maybe you guys can help out with the next part. The console give's me the following after using 'xfreerdp filename.rdp /u:username /p:password' -> http://pastebin.com/9ndd0TQc |
| 14:33.36 | GuestNew | Which is better though ubuntu or debian? |
| 14:33.48 | bogus- | there's no "better" distro |
| 14:33.49 | Lowl3v3l | GuestNew, in any case : Debian. For a simple reason : a.) youll learn a bit b.) you might want to have the stress of setting it up only once, not every 6 months^^ |
| 14:33.50 | psopacua038 | Ubuntu build on Debian... |
| 14:33.57 | GuestNew | Does debian have any advantages over ubuntu? |
| 14:33.59 | psopacua038 | I would recommend Ubuntu if your a beginner. |
| 14:34.01 | Lowl3v3l | GuestNew, there is no strict better^^ |
| 14:34.13 | jelly | GuestNew: which answer do you expect to get in this channel, honestly |
| 14:34.17 | bogus- | psopacua038: no way |
| 14:34.23 | Lowl3v3l | GuestNew, i just gave you one : it doesn't break as often due to problematic business decisions^^ |
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| 14:34.55 | psopacua038 | not ?:o |
| 14:35.01 | Lowl3v3l | GuestNew, and besides, the advise you usually get in the ubuntu community is mind boggingly stupid way to often... |
| 14:35.21 | jelly | GuestNew: if you're talking about a personal system, a workstation or laptop, try both. use ubuntu for 3-6 months, see how it feels, see how it's maintained (patched), then try debian |
| 14:35.23 | humbot | !better |
| 14:35.23 | dpkg | better is probably a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 14:35.27 | DonaldDuck | Better is relative. Porsche is a great car, but I wouldn't do a safari with it. Land rover are great car, but I won't use one in a city. Better depend of your need. |
| 14:35.30 | Delf | psopacua038: Try without the : between u/p and username/password |
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| 14:35.35 | bogus- | Lowl3v3l: that's what you get when you pretend your distro is userfriendly :) |
| 14:35.48 | GuestNew | But I heard ubuntu has a very strong community and the unity is the best desktop environment and dash is the most powerful search and blah blah blah. So is ubuntu dominating the Linux? |
| 14:36.03 | jelly | GuestNew: and yes, as a 20 years user of debian I'm suggesting you try ubuntu first. |
| 14:36.12 | kedare | Hi all o/ |
| 14:36.21 | bogus- | why not fedora or something like that? |
| 14:36.21 | psopacua038 | Delf: still getting the same output. |
| 14:36.25 | pragomer_1 | hi. need help. want to multi-whois all ip addresses in my logfile and output the countries these ip addresses refer to. is that possible with one linux command line? |
| 14:36.35 | Lowl3v3l | GuestNew, well the "best"... if unitiy were the best, would there be like 10 forks of Ubuntu with different DE's ? ;) |
| 14:36.45 | kedare | I have a weird issue with Debian images on Docker, every time I do an "apt-get update", I get a "Wrong size reported by the server" and have to do it twice before it work |
| 14:36.51 | jelly | GuestNew: you won't know what most of that means until you try things out. |
| 14:36.54 | Lowl3v3l | GuestNew, and why do you think is ubuntu the only distro to actually use Unity?^^ |
| 14:36.56 | kedare | And on the "official" repositories |
| 14:37.02 | kedare | Any idea of what could be the issue ? |
| 14:37.18 | bogus- | I don't like ubuntu's way looking at things |
| 14:37.18 | humbot | luckily it's very easy to try different live isos now |
| 14:37.31 | bogus- | hey, it's not available upstream, let's fix it for our distro only |
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| 14:37.43 | Lowl3v3l | GuestNew, and on the community : yes, ubuntu is strong in numbers ( although not stronger than deb i suppose), but the number of people actually knowing what they do is pretty slim :D |
| 14:37.48 | bogus- | instead of making upstream better |
| 14:37.50 | Delf | psopacua038: The password/username might be wrong |
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| 14:38.19 | Lowl3v3l | bogus-, i am happy they keep their "fixes" for themselves xD |
| 14:38.36 | bogus- | Lowl3v3l: xD |
| 14:38.38 | GuestNew | I won't have to update my pc if u install debian? . |
| 14:38.42 | bogus- | that's one way of looking at it :) |
| 14:38.43 | DonaldDuck | That's just bragging. The answer is simple. If you ask the question go for Ubuntu. If you know why, you would use Debian... |
| 14:39.37 | Lowl3v3l | GuestNew, debian runs on all kinds of hardware and i doubt yours is to bad for debian , a desktopenvironment and everything you want to. maybe just not the biggest chunk of graphical masturbation ;) |
| 14:40.10 | psopacua038 | Delf: Alright again a step further your solution didnt work about ":", this time i only did 'xfreerdp filename.RDP', and then it asked me about the Username, then the domain, then the password. Inserted all three and i did get a message about the certificate, accepted it and then i am getting -> http://pastebin.com/kb1G3htu |
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| 14:40.56 | GuestNew | What's the advantages of debian over ubuntu? |
| 14:41.07 | jelly | !why debian |
| 14:41.08 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 14:41.57 | GuestNew | Oh thanks. |
| 14:42.03 | bogus- | GuestNew: did you do any reasearch towards a distro? |
| 14:42.15 | Delf | psopacua038: Unfortunately I'm incompetent, don't know what to suggest. |
| 14:42.38 | GuestNew | I don't understand the technical terms like they talk about some system. D ppa etc |
| 14:43.00 | kedare | I have a hard time to choose between Debian and Archlinux for "desktop", I like both but Debian has the advantage of having more package (Well, there is AUR) and it would be the same OS than on the servers :) |
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| 14:43.38 | GuestNew | I've heard about ubuntu before.. Thats all I know about linux. Some people told me try debian as ubuntu is based on it |
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| 14:45.00 | cnygaard | where can one see the udebs of the debian installer? which components are available? |
| 14:45.08 | Lowl3v3l | GuestNew, just a quick tip from me : people who do not actually WANT to fix their own problems or read documentation are in general pretty much frowned upon in the libre software world and in linux. just so you know^^ |
| 14:45.10 | GuestNew | But it doesn't support rpm apps. Why doesn't debian support rpm. And I've heard android is also a Linux distro! So why doesn't it support. Deb files? |
| 14:45.24 | abrotman | Debian does support RPM |
| 14:45.50 | GuestNew | Sorry ubuntu doesn't support rpm.. Why not? |
| 14:46.13 | humbot | these are ways of packaging applications |
| 14:46.36 | humbot | the application itself could be compiled and installed almost anywhere |
| 14:46.45 | psopacua038 | Delf: Solution found! |
| 14:46.47 | Lowl3v3l | GuestNew, because the package managers are different applications that handle things differently, plain and simple. And almost every software is out there in different package formats^^ |
| 14:46.47 | GuestNew | Why don't you guys hack the system and use only one packaging system. Like. Exe for windows |
| 14:46.51 | humbot | but the package managers make life easier and safer for us |
| 14:47.00 | nkuttler | GuestNew: you can install the rpm package manager just fine, but it doesn't integrate with the rest of the system |
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| 14:47.19 | psopacua038 | Delf: After editing the RDP file and setting redirectprinters to 0 instead of 1, it connected! |
| 14:47.25 | Lowl3v3l | GuestNew, exe is not a package manager but an executable format. and there is one standard executable format on linux ( on windows exe can mean pretty much anything^^) |
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| 14:47.32 | GuestNew | Like a computer in a computer. Maybe I should go for debian |
| 14:47.37 | kedare | GuestNew: exe are not package, msi are |
| 14:47.42 | psopacua038 | :'). |
| 14:47.56 | GuestNew | Oh god. |
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| 14:48.25 | themill | Delf: you were asking the same question here that you'd just had answered in #systemd -- I was just saying that I think their answer was correct. |
| 14:48.35 | GuestNew | I'm installing Debian. Because I like that symbol |
| 14:48.57 | psopacua038 | Thanks for the help btw :)! |
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| 14:50.06 | Psychiatrist | Hey guys. I used the auto partitioning while installing Debian and after a few months of use my / partition is full. How can my root be full , have I done something incorrectly? Here are my statistics: http://i.imgur.com/kTIfBDM.png |
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| 14:51.06 | kedare | Psychiatrist: try using ncdu |
| 14:51.11 | zykotick9 | Psychiatrist: i think be default it creates a 10GB / partition... not exactly large by todays standards... |
| 14:51.21 | Lowl3v3l | Psychiatrist, i dont know what you installed on your root. |
| 14:51.28 | kedare | And run it in / as root so you can see where is all your space |
| 14:51.49 | bogus- | du -sh / |
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| 14:51.53 | kedare | Or if you are really full and can't install anything, a "du -sh /*" should make it :) (but slower and not so convenient) |
| 14:51.58 | Lowl3v3l | Psychiatrist, but i suppose you could have filled it, maybe try cleaning up apt? |
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| 14:52.19 | GuestNew | Thank you everyone. Let's try Debian. |
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| 14:55.46 | Psychiatrist | Lowl3v3l, My partition is the default size, yes. I thought it would be enough. kedare I installed ncdu and it shows 17.5 gb used in /home, 4.1gb in /usr and 3.6 gb in /var. Everything else is less than 400mb |
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| 14:56.18 | kedare | You can use your arrow keys to navigate with ncdu |
| 14:56.30 | kedare | Or "enter", I don't remember |
| 14:56.36 | kedare | So you will see what subfolders use the space |
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| 15:01.51 | zykotick9 | Psychiatrist: for starters, /var/cache/apt/archives can be cleaned out using "apt-get clean", but i'd investigate what's in /usr |
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| 15:04.35 | Psychiatrist | zykotick9, Both /lib and /share are 1.9gb in /usr. But I had managed to download files from transmission-qt onto my root while trying the Python library for it. I deleted the files and now my root is 5.2gb/9.1gb. |
| 15:05.00 | Psychiatrist | Thanks kedare, ncdu is a very efficient tool. |
| 15:05.43 | thurstylark | is there support for systemd-boot in jessie? |
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| 15:19.44 | kedare | Psychiatrist: You are welcome :) |
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| 15:32.10 | Delf | Why am I in the group "audio" after fresh install? |
| 15:32.47 | TomasCZ | Delf, you mean you don't use audio? |
| 15:33.21 | Delf | I use audio but I'm not suppose to need to be in the audio group to use audio |
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| 15:33.35 | TomasCZ | Delf, it's for playback and capture of sounds/music, permissions related reasons I believe. |
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| 15:34.01 | grawity | by default the /dev/snd nodes are only accessible to 'audio' group members, aren't they? |
| 15:34.09 | grawity | unless you let systemd-logind or ConsoleKit handle that |
| 15:34.24 | grawity | (and IIRC Delf doesn't use systemd) |
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| 15:36.12 | TomasCZ | just finished verification of the same thing. |
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| 15:43.43 | berndj | so with mplayer / mencoder having succumbed to feuds and bitrot, what replacements offer themselves? |
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| 15:44.42 | grawity | mpv and ffmpeg? |
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| 15:45.04 | cra1g321 | vlc here, if it doesnt play in vlc then i use smplayer |
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| 15:47.23 | berndj | thanks. cursory glance at ffmpeg's options suggests it's rich enough for my needs |
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| 15:47.48 | berndj | and at least it has a man page |
| 15:48.15 | jelly | ,v ffmpeg |
| 15:48.16 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-1; jessie-backports: 7:2.8.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 7:2.8.6-1+b1; stretch: 7:2.8.6-1+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.5-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.0-dmo2 |
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| 15:48.38 | jelly | you can get ffmpeg from jessie-backports |
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| 15:49.42 | berndj | it's already installed here; i don't specifically remember how it got there. i have a frankensystem though, it might still be from jessie-1 (is that wheezy?) |
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| 15:54.04 | debianwho | I'm thinking about migrating over to Debian, what is the difference between testing and stable packages? I see lots of people using testing, are these considered to be more like Mint or Ubuntu stable packages? |
| 15:55.05 | karlpinc | !tell debianwho about testing |
| 15:55.06 | jamie- | People say testing is pretty stable and you get newer versions of packages. You take the risk I guess |
| 15:55.24 | cra1g321 | its often the last release to get security updates |
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| 15:55.47 | karlpinc | debianwho: Testing breaks. That's the point. It _mostly_ works, but takes a long time to get fixed when it breaks. At least until freeze before release. |
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| 15:56.25 | karlpinc | !tell debianwho about overview |
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| 15:57.06 | debianwho | Cool. I'm switching from Manjaro, which I liked, but updates broke my encryption and it seemed like there was always little things that needed to be fixed. |
| 15:57.27 | debianwho | I used mint but after their security breach I'm feeling sorta |
| 15:57.28 | debianwho | meh |
| 15:57.35 | jamie- | Id avoid that ^ |
| 15:57.36 | QuantumToronto | hi |
| 15:57.47 | QuantumToronto | nick /eanima |
| 15:57.50 | karlpinc | debianwho: You may also want to see http://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 15:57.56 | debianwho | yeah I just read that |
| 15:58.35 | jamie- | What do you use for encryption? |
| 15:58.38 | jamie- | dmcrypt? |
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| 15:58.51 | hiya | jamie-, yes :) |
| 15:58.59 | debianwho | yeah |
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| 15:59.47 | debianwho | I can see the appeal of Arch or Manjaro but since it is my only install on my only computer, I sorta need it to work all the time |
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| 15:59.59 | karlpinc | debianwho: That's what stable is for. |
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| 16:00.21 | debianwho | yeah, I'll stick with stable |
| 16:00.22 | karlpinc | debianwho: Just be sure that when you upgrade to the next stable you follow the release notes to upgrade. |
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| 16:01.58 | karlpinc | debianwho: Note that stable does have bugs. But they don't change (unless they're really important, like security problems). So you can work around them. |
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| 16:04.40 | johnlearn | Hey guys! Who can tell me. How can make the system supports Bluetooth headset Duplex (HFP HSP) mode? |
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| 16:05.17 | johnlearn | My Bluetooth headset can be used in debian 7 Duplex (HSP / HFP) mode. |
| 16:05.33 | johnlearn | I know now bluez5 no longer support HSP / HFP |
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| 16:06.45 | debianwho | Is there a non-free version of debian available or do I just have to add the source to the repo after I install it? |
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| 16:07.17 | karlpinc | debianwho: There's a non-free "suite" available as part of debian. You can enable it on install. |
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| 16:07.41 | debianwho | killer |
| 16:07.46 | karlpinc | debianwho: If you need non-free firmware to install (say for wifi) there's an unoffical installer you can use with that built-in so your wifi works during the install. |
| 16:08.00 | karlpinc | debianwho: You need this? |
| 16:08.18 | debianwho | sure why not. |
| 16:08.30 | debianwho | I have the firmware already on a USB but it's good to have a backup |
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| 16:09.07 | karlpinc | !tell debianwho about firmware images |
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| 16:10.08 | Vladimirski | What's the easiest way to change keyboard lang layout? I've tried to export LANG=... |
| 16:10.13 | grawity | setxkbmap |
| 16:10.20 | Vladimirski | and also dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 16:10.24 | ntz | it has nothing to do with layout Vladimirski :D |
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| 16:10.26 | grawity | has absolutely nothing to do with locales nor $LANG, by the way |
| 16:10.27 | Vladimirski | but still it's the old language |
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| 16:10.36 | Vladimirski | oke |
| 16:10.42 | ntz | Vladimirski: man loadkeys |
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| 16:12.12 | jelly | !keymap |
| 16:12.12 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
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| 16:13.29 | jelly | Vladimirski: different tools for X (setxkbmap) and console (loadkeys), and the package dpkg bot talks about handles both |
| 16:14.01 | Vladimirski | I don't get it, I even run the dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and chose swedish but still it's english |
| 16:14.38 | ntz | Vladimirski: it will work in new shell I'd assume |
| 16:14.50 | ntz | and moreover, why don't you read that loadkeys manpage ? |
| 16:15.01 | Vladimirski | maybe it's because I run in virtualbox.. |
| 16:15.14 | ntz | better to use ptoper tools rather than smash everything with hammer |
| 16:15.53 | ntz | haha, so this is the answer to ``why don't you RTFineM'' ? :: 17:15 < Vladimirski> maybe it's because I run in virtualbox.. |
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| 16:16.08 | ntz | i will tell this next time to my boss :D |
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| 16:16.20 | ntz | when he'll want something |
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| 16:25.49 | Delf | grawity: What do you mean I don't use systemd? It's installed, I'm on Debian Jessie. |
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| 16:26.50 | grawity | oh, I thought you were the one asking how to remove it |
| 16:27.16 | Delf | grawity: Did you just verify it too? |
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| 16:27.33 | masterkorp | hello everyone |
| 16:28.10 | Vladimirski | Great, apparently the "setupcon" command had to be issued after modifying the /etc/default/keyboard file.. |
| 16:28.17 | grawity | Delf: verify what? |
| 16:28.17 | masterkorp | How can I trough apt (or another method) check if i can install a package from the cache? Let's say to check if its possible to install a package totally offline |
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| 16:28.37 | Delf | grawity: That I don't use systemd |
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| 16:29.13 | masterkorp | So i want to check if the package is on the cache |
| 16:29.14 | somiaj | masterkorp: You can look in the direcotry /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 16:29.37 | somiaj | masterkorp: But this will only happen if you have installed, then removed the package and not cleaned up the chache dir. |
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| 16:29.53 | masterkorp | somiaj: yeah i knwo that one, but it there an apt-cache command that is more friendly ? |
| 16:30.12 | masterkorp | somiaj: yeah the cache is persistent between boots |
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| 16:30.49 | Delf | Do I have to have consoleKit or is it enough with systemd-logind? |
| 16:30.52 | somiaj | masterkorp: not really, apt checkes packages based on its database. Is this a machine that is offline? Why not use a dvd or cd source? In which case apt-cache policy should tell you if the package is instalallbe from that source. |
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| 16:31.28 | masterkorp | somiaj: yeah its offline |
| 16:31.38 | masterkorp | but its not always offline |
| 16:32.31 | somiaj | masterkorp: well you can set up a local caching mirror or just use dvd/cd srouces. |
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| 16:32.57 | somiaj | masterkorp: but most likely the package you want won't be sitting in the cache dir unless you have previousally installed it from online sources. |
| 16:32.58 | masterkorp | i have the cache in a volume and its mounted at boot |
| 16:33.10 | masterkorp | somiaj: exactly |
| 16:33.18 | masterkorp | i want to check if its sitting on the cache |
| 16:33.24 | masterkorp | if not, tell to get online |
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| 16:33.27 | masterkorp | if so, install |
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| 16:34.00 | somiaj | masterkorp: I would suggest looking at something like apt-cacher and set up a local mirror. But apt-get isntall foo, it will tell you how much is has to download, (before trying to download anything) and if it says 0 MB to download, you know you can install from the cache dir you are setting up. |
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| 16:34.28 | somiaj | masterkorp: and if you have to download anything, you can just say no |
| 16:34.45 | masterkorp | that can work, parsing apt-get install output |
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| 16:43.30 | Ghostbird | Hey guys, I've got a weird issue. |
| 16:43.31 | Ghostbird | I've got a user that's in only one group X, and I want to add it to group Y. However I cannot do this because he's already a member of Y. But group Y doesn't exist on the system. However if I try to add group Y, I cannot because it already exists. Is there another source of groups apart from /etc/group and /etc/gshadow? |
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| 16:43.59 | Ghostbird | I do have Winbind, but the group doesn't exist in in that either. |
| 16:44.00 | grawity | Ghostbird: the used sources are configured in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 16:44.10 | Ghostbird | Yeah, it just lists compat and winbind. |
| 16:44.17 | Ghostbird | But neither have the group. |
| 16:44.28 | grawity | try `getent group Y` to look up all of them at once, or `getent -s winbind group Y` to check one of them |
| 16:44.30 | grawity | *do* check, just in case |
| 16:44.36 | Ghostbird | I already did. |
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| 16:44.46 | karlpinc | Ghostbird: With gentent? |
| 16:44.50 | karlpinc | getent |
| 16:44.50 | Ghostbird | Of course. |
| 16:44.57 | Ghostbird | I have a theory. |
| 16:45.16 | Ghostbird | Maybe Winbind cannot distinguish between the user Y and the group Y? |
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| 16:45.55 | Ghostbird | Since it's normal for *nix systems that users have a primary group with the same name. Can it be that winbind cannot do this? |
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| 16:46.31 | karlpinc | Ghostbird: Plausable. I couldn't say. |
| 16:46.50 | grawity | it's of little use on *nix, and very unusual on AD ... but in that case I'd expect the group to show up in `getent group Y` anyway |
| 16:47.00 | Ghostbird | Well, it doesn't. |
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| 16:47.13 | grawity | okay, curious, how about `getent -s winbind initgroups <user>` |
| 16:47.15 | quitisomes | hello somebody could help me about a question in debian with fortune quoutes??? im preparing a virtualmachine for a friend and i want to put friendship quoutes when she opens the terminal, actualy it's done but it only show random quotes ... Could a nice people tell me what - i got to put in the bashrc file??? thanks first of all you nice people , and sorry for my english t.t |
| 16:47.47 | Ghostbird | grawity: Hmm... I do get a result for that, |
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| 16:48.05 | daniel74f | I can't use the trash bin in thunar when starting it from i3 (started using xinit /usr/bin/i3) but I can use it when starting it from xfce4 (started using xinit /usr/bin/xfce4-session). Does somebody know how to fix this? |
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| 16:48.35 | Ghostbird | grawity: And it is a distinc gid. Not the uid. |
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| 16:48.52 | Ghostbird | I'm stumped. |
| 16:49.07 | Mathisen | how big would a debian mirror be ? if i want to make a local copy ? |
| 16:49.22 | karlpinc | quitisomes: You probably install the fortune-mod package and put "fortune" in .bashrc. Can't say without trying it. |
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| 16:49.32 | Ghostbird | Mathisen: https://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 16:49.37 | Mathisen | thx |
| 16:50.21 | abrotman | Mathisen: it's suggested that most could get by with an apt proxy |
| 16:50.29 | quitisomes | I installed it already but it only show random quotes once i open the terminal , my question is what - i got to write in the bashrc for only show friendhsip quoutes , its for a girl :P |
| 16:50.52 | quitisomes | im looking for that on net but im not finding that so i came here to ask |
| 16:50.54 | quitisomes | ^^ |
| 16:51.02 | Mathisen | abrotman, i understand |
| 16:51.10 | quitisomes | i wish somebody could help me @_ @ |
| 16:51.12 | karlpinc | quitisomes: You'd probably have to read the directions. Look in /usr/share/doc/fortune*/ |
| 16:51.31 | karlpinc | quitisomes: Or "man fortune". |
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| 16:52.11 | quitisomes | actha |
| 16:52.27 | quitisomes | actually im copying the vm to a stick so im a try this in a bit |
| 16:52.34 | quitisomes | im telling you ^^ :P |
| 16:52.45 | quitisomes | thx :PPP |
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| 17:04.41 | humbot | you can even make your own quotes file :D |
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| 17:06.11 | Delf | grawity: I confused you with TomasCZ |
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| 17:13.48 | qutisomes | hello im trying to put friendship quoutes with fortune and im not getting any info in manual , sry for this but i need it for tomorrow and i cant find info in google |
| 17:13.55 | qutisomes | could someone help me about this please |
| 17:14.08 | qutisomes | id checked man fortune but it doenst say nothing |
| 17:14.08 | qutisomes | t.t |
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| 17:20.25 | humbot | Time sure flies when you don't know what you're doing. |
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| 17:21.18 | humbot | i don't have a 'friendship' file in /usr/share/games/fortunes do you qutisomes ? |
| 17:22.09 | qutisomes | ì cant get into the usr/games/fortune because it tells me its not a directory |
| 17:22.17 | qutisomes | t.t |
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| 17:23.37 | humbot | you missed the 'share' |
| 17:24.28 | humbot | /usr/games/fortune is the executable, /usr/share/games/fortunes is the fortune files directory |
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| 17:28.26 | qutisomes | humbot right now im not at debian t.t im using ubuntu because is for my friend and i cant find the configuration file |
| 17:28.33 | qutisomes | sry -.- |
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| 17:30.09 | humbot | the ubuntu fortune is probably identical |
| 17:31.06 | humbot | to see the files installed by a package, try for example 'dpkg -L fortunes' |
| 17:31.42 | Drizt | do I need to download 3 dvd isos to install debian? |
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| 17:33.10 | James123 | Hi, there is a git repo with source files, can I make a package which is compiled from source and then installed? |
| 17:33.12 | nkuttler | !tell Drizt about netinst |
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| 17:33.35 | nkuttler | James123: apt-get source will get you a source package |
| 17:34.01 | markybob | Drizt: is this for a laptop? |
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| 17:34.07 | Drizt | yes |
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| 17:34.18 | markybob | Drizt: then you should use the firmware netinst http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:35.05 | James123 | nkuttler: Yes, but only if it exists in the debian repos. What if not? I want basically to have a package that can be installed on any debian system, irrespectively of the architecture, that is why I want somehow to compile it from source every time. Similar to how AUR from archlinux works in some sense. |
| 17:35.32 | nkuttler | James123: hm? there is a source for everything in debian, except non-free |
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| 17:35.58 | nkuttler | James123: and debian releases for multiple archs, is your not included? |
| 17:36.20 | nkuttler | James123: if you want a source based distro Debian probably is not what you want |
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| 17:37.24 | remmona_dash | /dev/sda5: LABEL="ALT_Linux" UUID="6d5197a1-624c-4ee2-b079-40725110e97f" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="b99539c4-68c3-4c66-a958-d0c88ea006d9" |
| 17:37.35 | remmona_dash | which UUID has to go to FSTAB? |
| 17:38.36 | nebg | hello everyone... rom some days... when i attach my external monitor VGA... my X session crashes... logs out.. |
| 17:38.52 | nebg | i get the tty1 login messages |
| 17:38.55 | nebg | any idea ? |
| 17:38.58 | nkuttler | remmona_dash: man 5 fstab, uuid likely |
| 17:39.59 | zykotick9 | nkuttler: i'd guess remmona_dash's question is UUID or PARTUUID... /me hasn't heard of PARTUUIDs before... |
| 17:40.19 | nkuttler | zykotick9: the man page has |
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| 17:43.16 | remmona_dash | zykotick9: nkuttler yes what zykotick9 said |
| 17:43.27 | remmona_dash | I meant that |
| 17:43.31 | nkuttler | remmona_dash: yes, what i said |
| 17:43.47 | Dagger | remmona_dash: looks like UUID based on my /etc/fstab |
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| 17:44.09 | Dagger | (UUID is what gets created in /dev/disk/by-uuid/) |
| 17:44.12 | zykotick9 | Dagger: do you use GPT? |
| 17:44.25 | Dagger | yes |
| 17:44.29 | zykotick9 | humm |
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| 17:51.39 | remmona_dash | yes UUID |
| 17:52.00 | remmona_dash | and does ESP efi partition go inside fstab? |
| 17:52.16 | remmona_dash | should I mention it? |
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| 17:57.00 | grawity | yes |
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| 18:00.14 | remmona_dash | grawity: hi friend!; did you answer my question? |
| 18:00.45 | remmona_dash | grawity: hi yes; how should i declare ESP partition inside fstab? |
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| 18:01.02 | grawity | do you have separate /boot and ESP partitions, or just one? |
| 18:01.04 | Drizt | I got Broadcom wifi on the laptop is it well supported in debian? |
| 18:01.30 | markybob | Drizt: if you use the firmware netinst i linked you to |
| 18:01.44 | Drizt | downloaded it |
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| 18:05.18 | thurstylark | How do I make the boot process completely quiet? I don't want anything displayed between the time the bios screen dissapears, and the login prompt on tty1. I've got grub set to hide, so that's taken care of, but I'm still getting some messages printed even when using quiet on the kernel command line. |
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| 18:15.37 | karlpinc | thurstylark: You probably need the "quiet" option to systemd (man systemd). This also passes quiet to the kernel. But I don't know how to pass it to systemd.... |
| 18:16.20 | grawity | that *is* a kernel boot option |
| 18:16.25 | grawity | it's how you pass options to any init |
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| 18:17.29 | karlpinc | grawity: systemd gets it from the kernel? (The systemd man page says systemd passes the option _to_ the kernel.) |
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| 18:18.06 | karlpinc | grawity: Or maybe not. It says it's "read by the kernel". |
| 18:18.19 | grawity | most inits read parameters from /proc/cmdline |
| 18:18.24 | user | How's Debian 8.3 ? :P |
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| 18:18.53 | markybob | user: we hate it. no one here uses it |
| 18:19.09 | thurstylark | cat /proc/cmdline shows quiet is there. |
| 18:19.16 | markybob | user: yeah, i'm being a dick. it's great |
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| 18:20.04 | user | marybob I still use Debian 7.8 :) last time I had a little problem with 8.1(I can't remember exactly). |
| 18:20.26 | markybob | user: probably apache 2.4 if it's a server. that's a bitch upgrade |
| 18:20.55 | user | I'm a Desktop user. |
| 18:21.15 | markybob | user: then you should be fine. |
| 18:21.25 | markybob | user: just follow the install guide |
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| 18:21.39 | koowgnojeel | markybob: Thanks. |
| 18:21.41 | markybob | !tell user about wheezy->jessie |
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| 18:21.49 | karlpinc | koowgnojeel: (Or follow the release notes to upgrade._) |
| 18:22.03 | koowgnojeel | karlpinc: Thanks. |
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| 18:22.15 | karlpinc | thurstylark: What messages show up? |
| 18:23.05 | thurstylark | karlpinc: Gonna have to check again when I get the chance, but it's something, and then fsck |
| 18:23.10 | remmona_dash | grawity: I have a (separate) efi partition. |
| 18:23.18 | grawity | remmona_dash: then mount it at /boot/efi |
| 18:23.40 | remmona_dash | grawity: in fstab? |
| 18:23.42 | grawity | yes |
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| 18:24.41 | remmona_dash | grawity: and what would be theoptions like noatime and what about dump and pass values?s |
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| 18:25.16 | grawity | defaults 0 0 |
| 18:25.23 | grawity | 0 1, maybe |
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| 18:26.47 | thurstylark | karlpinc: looks like it displays messages about loading <kernelversion>, loading initial ramdisk, then fsck |
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| 18:29.00 | karlpinc | thurstylark: Humm. That's all in the initramfs. |
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| 18:30.13 | tensorpudding | How does one actually verify that the SHAXXXSUMS.sign file is properly signed? I assume I have the correct public key installed in the debian-keyring package but how does my local user know how to access that key? |
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| 18:32.00 | greycat | Apt uses the debian keys, not ordinary users. |
| 18:32.45 | tensorpudding | I'm just asking how my ordinary user on my machine can use gpg to verify these signatures. |
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| 18:33.18 | thurstylark | karlpinc: Yeah, not sure how to get rid of it, either. |
| 18:33.58 | grawity | thurstylark: you could `gpg --import` them â not sure if importing from /usr/share/keyrings/ or from /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d would be less wrong |
| 18:34.13 | grawity | or maybe `apt-key adv --verify`? |
| 18:34.16 | greycat | tensorpudding: gpg --keyserver BLAH --recv-keys BLAH |
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| 18:35.03 | Iridos | tensorpudding, I guess "man apt-secure" can tell you a lot of what you want to know... if it (and the related pages) cannot, that may be worth a bug report |
| 18:35.07 | thurstylark | besides setting a bootsplash, which I definitely don't want. |
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| 18:35.54 | grawity | thurstylark: well those two are definitely grub messages |
| 18:35.59 | tensorpudding | apt-key seems to still think the public key isn't found. |
| 18:36.04 | grawity | thurstylark: as it's the one that loads kernels and initrds |
| 18:36.24 | tensorpudding | So maybe the machine doesn't have the key? But if that were the case, where would it be found? |
| 18:36.30 | karlpinc | thurstylark: I see an initial "Loading...." message in the initramfs, but everything else in the initramfs_looks_ like it's supressed on quiet. |
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| 18:37.13 | grawity | tensorpudding: ah, right, I got confused a bit |
| 18:37.31 | karlpinc | thurstylark: Out of curiousity, why? |
| 18:37.34 | grawity | tensorpudding: mistook debian-keyring for debian-archive-keyring |
| 18:37.43 | grawity | tensorpudding: so `gpg --import /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg` would work |
| 18:38.39 | karlpinc | thurstylark: What version of debian is this? |
| 18:38.40 | tensorpudding | Okay, that worked, thanks much grawity and also to greycat and Iridos. |
| 18:39.48 | thurstylark | karlpinc: Building a machine that will be used for signage and don't want anything on the screen between boot and content. |
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| 18:40.00 | thurstylark | karlpinc: uname says deb8u3 |
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| 18:41.20 | thurstylark | yeah, 8.3 |
| 18:41.28 | marcok | hello. i changed my sources.list from jessi to stretch and did an apt-get update upgrade and dist-upgrade because i want to run testing. the strange thing now is that some software can not be installed. for example xchat, mybe someone has any tips. |
| 18:41.51 | markybob | marcok: that's not strange. stretch breaks things |
| 18:42.06 | markybob | marcok: and it's not supported here. go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
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| 18:42.13 | dontknow | marcok, try installing hexchat instead |
| 18:42.14 | thurstylark | "Doc! It hurts when I shoot myself in the foot!!" |
| 18:42.18 | greycat | I believe hexchat is proposed as the replacement for xchat. |
| 18:42.49 | Drizt | isnt xchat supported anymore? |
| 18:42.59 | marcok | ok thank you |
| 18:43.14 | markybob | ,v xchat |
| 18:43.15 | judd | Package: xchat on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.8-3; wheezy: 2.8.8-7.1; jessie: 2.8.8-7.3 |
| 18:43.17 | greycat | No idea. If it doesn't run in a tty inside screen, why would I even use it.... |
| 18:43.20 | dontknow | Drizt, it is not being developed |
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| 18:43.30 | markybob | not after jessie |
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| 18:45.17 | greycat | Oh, by the way, I added jessie-backports to my home box the other day. Turns out the instructions on the jessie-backports page say to use http://http.debian.net/ which it turns out is an alias for httpredir. So that's why THAT didn't work. I replaced it with good ol' http://ftp.us.debian.org/ and it was fine. |
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| 18:45.30 | greycat | httpredir is just BAD. |
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| 18:45.54 | markybob | greycat: hrm. i've not had a problem with it. i've heard others rant though. |
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| 18:46.18 | greycat | long delays on hostname lookups, then ultimately a package hash mismatch |
| 18:46.23 | Iridos | heh, I wanted to switch to it, but forgot |
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| 18:47.10 | karlpinc | greycat: Yeah. I've gotten package hash mismatches too. |
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| 18:48.47 | greycat | dpkg, httpredir is <reply>Apt sources using http://httpredir.debian.org/ (or http://http.debian.net/) fail for many people. If you're one of them, just use http://ftp.XX.debian.org/ where XX is your (or a nearby) country code. |
| 18:48.47 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 18:51.21 | karlpinc | thurstylark: I think you'll just have to write patches and submit them to the bts. |
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| 18:53.06 | thurstylark | forseriously? |
| 18:53.29 | markybob | heh |
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| 18:58.21 | Iridos | thurstylark, who else is gonna do it |
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| 19:01.39 | ubuntu-mate_ | hi |
| 19:01.47 | sorch | hi |
| 19:02.02 | Iridos | hi |
| 19:02.45 | ubuntu-mate_ | i am trying to get a netinstall for amd64, with bittorrent, i believe that they are under 280 mb but somehow i end up with a iso on 5.8 GB |
| 19:02.56 | greycat | !netinst |
| 19:02.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 19:03.24 | greycat | Just add your preferred bittorrent program after the base install. |
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| 19:03.54 | Iridos | he meant he downloaded using bittorrent |
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| 19:04.25 | ubuntu-mate_ | wow this is weird.. eh.. bittorrent says 280 mb original file says 5.8 gb |
| 19:04.25 | greycat | Oh. Well, he must have grabbed the wrong link then. |
| 19:04.49 | ubuntu-mate_ | lmao |
| 19:04.59 | ubuntu-mate_ | i reversed the dd command haha |
| 19:05.06 | ubuntu-mate_ | must be stoned |
| 19:05.51 | markybob | Iridos: is this for a laptop? |
| 19:05.55 | markybob | oops |
| 19:06.02 | markybob | ubuntu-mate_: ^ |
| 19:06.27 | Iridos | ubuntu-mate_, 280M? delunge says 247.0MiB |
| 19:06.52 | ubuntu-mate_ | 259 :) |
| 19:07.00 | ubuntu-mate_ | markbob: perhaps |
| 19:07.08 | Iridos | what image is that? |
| 19:07.12 | markybob | ubuntu-mate_: then you should probably use the firmware installer |
| 19:07.13 | Iridos | I looked at the amd64 one |
| 19:07.27 | markybob | ubuntu-mate_: otherwise you'll likely have wifi firmware problems |
| 19:07.34 | ubuntu-mate_ | the firmware installer? |
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| 19:07.55 | ubuntu-mate_ | debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:08.04 | markybob | ubuntu-mate_: yes. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/bt-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 19:08.20 | markybob | ubuntu-mate_: firmware will prevent a lot of problems with wifi |
| 19:08.28 | ubuntu-mate_ | what is this? |
| 19:08.36 | ubuntu-mate_ | unofficial/non-free :S? |
| 19:08.36 | markybob | ubuntu-mate_: it's an installer with wifi firmware included |
| 19:08.50 | markybob | ubuntu-mate_: firmware is non-free so it can't be included in the normal installer |
| 19:08.52 | Iridos | dunno. my client said I would get 247M and I got 247M |
| 19:08.58 | ubuntu-mate_ | oh, thanks :) thats very kind ofyou |
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| 19:09.52 | ubuntu-mate_ | Iridos, well i just reversed the dd command lel |
| 19:10.17 | markybob | ubuntu-mate_: you still used the wrong one :P |
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| 19:10.34 | ubuntu-mate_ | reeeee |
| 19:10.50 | jackal^ | hello, i have jessie installed with kde desktop. upon startup i get a message/notification at the top saying i have 27 updates ready. how can i disable that? |
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| 19:12.16 | ubuntu-mate_ | markybob: wrong one? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 19:12.37 | markybob | ubuntu-mate_: yes. that doesn't include firmware that you'll probably need for your laptop's wifi. use the link i sent you |
| 19:12.49 | markybob | ubuntu-mate_: or you'll be back here asking why your wifi doesn't work |
| 19:12.50 | ubuntu-mate_ | thanks, i will be fine m8 |
| 19:12.56 | markybob | great |
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| 19:13.05 | ubuntu-mate_ | i will be back here grabbing and hugging your link |
| 19:13.27 | hiya | hi |
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| 19:13.58 | ubuntu-mate_ | must funny conversation i had on irc in long time |
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| 19:14.12 | markybob | ubuntu-mate_: what was funny about it? |
| 19:14.22 | ubuntu-mate_ | hugging your link |
| 19:14.53 | markybob | ubuntu-mate_: ubuntu users...i swear. you're a special breed |
| 19:15.07 | ubuntu-mate_ | i don't even use ubuntu |
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| 19:15.38 | ubuntu-mate_ | well thanks, i will get going |
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| 19:18.17 | mrrhq | jackal^: There's likely some KDE notification settings you can look up. Otherwise, you should probably update. ;) |
| 19:18.46 | jackal^ | most of them are related to libreoffice, which i dont use |
| 19:19.31 | ubuntu-mate_ | k, this is weird. i have wrong hash from file: 6d926a3f3f5b83725460f29065a4e478 |
| 19:19.35 | Iridos | the mysteries of kde |
| 19:20.26 | ubuntu-mate_ | should be: a9b490b4215d1e72e876b031dafa7184 |
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| 19:20.46 | ubuntu-mate_ | got it with bittorrent :S |
| 19:21.20 | mrrhq | jackal^: You could uninstall LibreOffice if you wanted to. KDE has it's own office thing called Calligra. |
| 19:21.34 | mrrhq | And Abiword is also really good and straightforward to use. |
| 19:22.00 | jackal^ | sure, but i'd like to disable that functionality |
| 19:22.37 | mrrhq | Disable updates to LibreOffice? |
| 19:23.01 | ubuntu-mate_ | bless your night debians :) |
| 19:23.09 | r6ku | is it a good idea to have automatic updates on stable? just wondering |
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| 19:23.51 | mrrhq | If you really are sure you want to do that, you can use sudo apt-mark hold libreoffice |
| 19:23.55 | mrrhq | But wouldn't recommend. |
| 19:24.04 | markybob | r6ku: i rather get emails when there are upgrades and then do them manually |
| 19:24.26 | jackal^ | its not about libreoffice only, but any other updates |
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| 19:25.37 | markybob | ! tell r6ku about apticron |
| 19:25.40 | markybob | !tell r6ku about apticron |
| 19:26.24 | mrrhq | jackal^: Well updates are important, especially security updates. Without them, your system will be more vulnerable. |
| 19:26.54 | jackal^ | understood |
| 19:27.01 | Iridos | the ways of kde (and gnome) messages are obscure |
| 19:27.14 | Iridos | seems there's a lot of apt-related stuff around that I haven't seen yet |
| 19:27.37 | mrrhq | Again, I'm sure there's ways to disable annoying notifications in KDE, I just don't know how. I don't use KDE. |
| 19:27.40 | jackal^ | mrrhq, still the message appearing on every boot is annoying |
| 19:28.03 | Iridos | for example... $ wc -l /etc/cron.daily/apt --> 507 /etc/cron.daily/apt |
| 19:28.04 | Iridos | wtf |
| 19:28.12 | mrrhq | I update my system at my own leisure basically. |
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| 19:30.01 | markybob | jackal^: google was pretty easy. http://superuser.com/questions/267302/disable-automated-updates-and-notifications-in-kde-debian |
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| 19:30.07 | Iridos | jackal^, first time I see aptdaemon... it is a daemon that enables normal users updates via dbus. I could imagine that kde talks with apt via it, so if you don't need any of the functionality, you could disable it |
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| 19:32.08 | mrrhq | Oh yeah, that sounds even better and easier than using cron. |
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| 19:33.14 | Dentych | Does Debian come with some kind of network monitoring tool like bwm-ng preinstalled? |
| 19:33.24 | greycat | Not by default. |
| 19:33.43 | Dentych | greycat: Okay, damn :/ |
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| 19:33.59 | markybob | ,v bwm-ng |
| 19:34.00 | judd | Package: bwm-ng on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6-3; wheezy: 0.6-3.1; jessie: 0.6-3.1+b1; stretch: 0.6-3.2+b2; sid: 0.6-3.2+b2 |
| 19:34.05 | mrrhq | Debian has Nagios, for example. |
| 19:34.11 | mrrhq | That's a really good one. |
| 19:34.15 | greycat | It has thousands of things, and you can install the ones you want. |
| 19:34.18 | markybob | Dentych: he just means you have to manually install it via apt-get/aptitude |
| 19:34.24 | mrrhq | You'd have to install it. |
| 19:34.31 | stoned | Are you able to install packages? |
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| 19:35.54 | stoned | greycat: how's it going? |
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| 19:36.07 | greycat | Mostly OK. |
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| 19:36.30 | stoned | What can I use to stress test an overclocked system under debian? |
| 19:37.14 | mrrhq | Maybe cpuburn? |
| 19:37.15 | dontknow | stoned, comiple iceweasel |
| 19:37.19 | dontknow | compile* |
| 19:37.53 | stoned | ty |
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| 19:38.17 | mrrhq | Np, use at own risk though. ;) |
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| 19:46.39 | jackal^ | disabling apper monitor seems to be the key |
| 19:47.16 | jackal^ | Iridos, i dont have aptdaemon installed |
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| 19:53.26 | mitzelflick | what command prints the verison on an installed package? apt-cache policy libc6 works but I have to grep and awk to reduce it to the version installed, is there an easier way? |
| 19:54.16 | greycat | mitzelflick: dpkg -l pkgname |
| 19:54.23 | greycat | if it's truncated, pipe it through cat :( |
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| 19:55.52 | mitzelflick | that gives liek 4-5 lines |
| 19:55.57 | mitzelflick | dpkg -l libc6 |
| 19:55.57 | dpkg | ii libc6 1.1-11 mitzelflick's private stamp collection |
| 19:56.24 | greycat | mitzelflick: what is your actual goal here? |
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| 19:57.15 | mitzelflick | To capture the version og glibc, which debian calls libc6 without having to do apt-cache policy libc6|grep Installed|awk '{print $2}' |
| 19:57.20 | mitzelflick | of- |
| 19:57.23 | grawity | greycat: hmm `dpkg-query -W pkgname` seems like a good alternative |
| 19:57.40 | greycat | mitzelflick: are you writing a *script*? Why> |
| 19:57.54 | greycat | Why would you write a script that needs to get Debian package versions? |
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| 19:58.25 | mitzelflick | I am writing ansible playbook to blast the libc6 update onto dozens of vms to fix the bug |
| 19:58.31 | greycat | *facepalm* |
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| 19:58.42 | mitzelflick | someone needs to do it |
| 19:58.46 | mitzelflick | and ansible is a living hell |
| 19:59.03 | mitzelflick | apt modue has no version option or apt-cache option |
| 19:59.05 | greycat | Why. Can't. You. Just. apt-get update && apt-get install libc6 |
| 19:59.19 | greycat | Why do you need to know the version number? |
| 19:59.28 | mitzelflick | cuz boss wants things done a sansibly as possible |
| 20:00.00 | greycat | ansible --execute-this-fucking-command 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' --on "$host" |
| 20:00.06 | mitzelflick | well he then wants a check to see if the bugger is the new version, even tho I said next month it breaks since it might be updated more by debian |
| 20:00.10 | greycat | or whatever the hell ansible's syntax is. I don't even know or care. |
| 20:00.15 | mitzelflick | ok |
| 20:00.19 | mitzelflick | you are like me |
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| 20:01.04 | greycat | possibly apt-get -y upgrade in there. |
| 20:01.18 | mitzelflick | that will break out java apps |
| 20:01.22 | mitzelflick | our- |
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| 20:01.35 | greycat | Why would it break those? |
| 20:01.54 | mitzelflick | versions of tomcat apache postgresql and jars are all stapled together |
| 20:01.59 | mitzelflick | and not current |
| 20:02.00 | teraflops | because java tends to break :P |
| 20:02.01 | mitzelflick | on debian 7 |
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| 20:02.11 | mitzelflick | all QA-ed against certain versions n crap |
| 20:02.21 | greycat | "Java". |
| 20:02.22 | mitzelflick | I feel life doesnt have to be this way |
| 20:03.48 | greycat | If you want a human-kinda-readable report of the version numbers after you blast "apt-get update && apt-get install libc6" to each host, use what grawity suggested. |
| 20:04.09 | greycat | Don't bother checking before. What's the point? |
| 20:04.35 | grawity | if you absolutely require specific apache versions, wouldn't apt pinning help with that |
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| 20:04.47 | mitzelflick | its to check before the reboot, which is needed after glibc update |
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| 20:04.58 | mitzelflick | dotn wana reboot if new vversion didnt get on there |
| 20:05.07 | mitzelflick | also no one here knows shell |
| 20:05.10 | greycat | You have the worst fucking environment in the universe. |
| 20:05.15 | mitzelflick | so they want the playbook if I quit ;) |
| 20:05.17 | teraflops | heh |
| 20:05.36 | mitzelflick | i explaed I could do what takes thema long time with a list of requirements and bash |
| 20:05.38 | mrrhq | sometimes installing important software updates will show or mail you programs changes (using local mail) anyway, when you upgrade. |
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| 20:05.50 | mitzelflick | without even needed ansible |
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| 20:05.54 | mitzelflick | and they hated that |
| 20:06.10 | mrrhq | Even though I don't use it, there's also apt-listchanges. Honestly, I don't know why people would use Ansible. What tools does it have? |
| 20:06.10 | mitzelflick | someone left them with big ansible working pile and sold them on it |
| 20:06.15 | mitzelflick | which I got rev engineer |
| 20:06.17 | mitzelflick | its hell |
| 20:06.23 | mitzelflick | oo veriable inheritance is goofy |
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| 20:06.55 | mitzelflick | oo scripting is hell to me, I feel like reeading the unix tools philosophy I think this is what they were trying to avoid |
| 20:07.05 | greycat | !start a language war |
| 20:07.06 | dpkg | BASIC is better than C |
| 20:07.07 | mitzelflick | I just want set of server, ser of crap to do |
| 20:07.09 | mrrhq | Yeah, if someone told me to use a Web Interface, I wouldn't know what to do. |
| 20:07.10 | mitzelflick | and I will re use |
| 20:07.16 | teraflops | hehe |
| 20:07.24 | teraflops | mitzelflick: im sorry for you |
| 20:07.29 | pron_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.33 | mrrhq | I would be the guy to ssh in to a system and use regular APT tools. |
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| 20:07.58 | mitzelflick | they ignore my idea to redo the raid under vmware as one big raid 6 with spares |
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| 20:08.05 | mitzelflick | they have ton of liek 4 disk raids |
| 20:08.07 | mitzelflick | retarded |
| 20:08.22 | mitzelflick | no one willlisten and boss said I am not used to programming at high level |
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| 20:08.30 | mitzelflick | I almst quit when he said that |
| 20:08.36 | mitzelflick | I said no its differnt coding style |
| 20:08.40 | mitzelflick | bash simplter x100 |
| 20:08.43 | mitzelflick | and less work |
| 20:08.54 | mitzelflick | chasing ansible vs python vs if ansible as apt option syntax hell |
| 20:09.01 | greycat | For the tasks where bash can be used in a simple way, it is simpler. Not all tasks qualify. |
| 20:09.19 | greycat | Bash has some serious limitations. |
| 20:09.42 | mitzelflick | whats a example where ansible wins over copying config files and isntalling unix binaries, given a webserver I can stash stuff |
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| 20:10.07 | mitzelflick | I think even our postgresql pre seed db can be loaded with a script |
| 20:10.14 | mitzelflick | hmm |
| 20:10.29 | mrrhq | Used to the good old ways of doing it. Lol. |
| 20:10.35 | mrrhq | Why not? |
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| 20:11.42 | mitzelflick | well its 100x simpler |
| 20:11.54 | mitzelflick | even 100 tedious commadns stickin scirpt done |
| 20:11.59 | mitzelflick | very understandable |
| 20:12.03 | mitzelflick | changeable without breaking |
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| 20:12.29 | mitzelflick | I even love catting whole block of a config file with vers $x $y > /where/confile/goes |
| 20:12.35 | mitzelflick | rather and cp over or wget |
| 20:12.48 | mitzelflick | dumb but understandable code |
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| 20:12.55 | mitzelflick | to me jsut copying file and binaries anyhow |
| 20:13.00 | mitzelflick | to setup linxu box |
| 20:13.04 | mitzelflick | devs deliver code stuff |
| 20:13.25 | mitzelflick | make hellish task of it with this ansible crap |
| 20:13.28 | mitzelflick | life hellish |
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| 20:15.21 | mrrhq | It's always hard getting used to something new. That's how Linux was for me. I had to actually sit down with something for a while and learn it. |
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| 20:15.56 | mrrhq | That meant actually getting rod of my dual-booting so I could focus. But I don't blame anybody for not wanting to learn something different. |
| 20:16.14 | mrrhq | Especially if they think they already know something better. |
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| 20:16.53 | mitzelflick | I am working with linux 10+ years |
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| 20:17.07 | mitzelflick | I gota do consulting so I can get ina position to be listened to |
| 20:17.13 | mitzelflick | huge waste of time now |
| 20:17.16 | mitzelflick | what im doing |
| 20:17.25 | teraflops | mitzelflick: hey take a breath, it looks like a stand-up |
| 20:17.30 | mitzelflick | to let boss who doesnt know baash look good |
| 20:17.36 | mitzelflick | k |
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| 20:25.13 | khazakar | Hi all,I have crazy question: Mt Quadro NVS160M have only 256MB VRAM. Is there any method e.x to use RAM for vram?It will be much faster than my vram,which uses 64 bit gddr3 type of memory :P |
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| 20:27.21 | frzr | Anyone know how to handle amixer? |
| 20:27.40 | frzr | selecting a card and device one would think be an easy task, amixer --card 1 --device 7 |
| 20:27.43 | frzr | but no. |
| 20:28.03 | frzr | lets not follow the man pages |
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| 20:29.29 | mrrhq | frzr: Why not follow the manpage? For me, there is no --card or --device, only -c and -D respectively. |
| 20:30.03 | mrrhq | The card also needs the prefix device name, like "hw:1". |
| 20:30.16 | frzr | yeah, tried that first |
| 20:30.19 | frzr | didn't work either |
| 20:30.27 | frzr | typed --card and --device for readability |
| 20:30.31 | frzr | they should also work |
| 20:30.37 | greycat | You can't just make up --long-options at will. |
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| 20:31.25 | frzr | no i cannot |
| 20:31.33 | frzr | try for yourself |
| 20:31.36 | frzr | amixer --card 1 |
| 20:31.41 | mrrhq | amixer -c "hw:1" -D default ? |
| 20:32.01 | frzr | nah |
| 20:32.04 | frzr | that aint working |
| 20:32.45 | frzr | the "hw:1" parameter is invalid |
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| 20:33.20 | mrrhq | Can you find the exact card and device you want with aplay -L ? |
| 20:33.28 | frzr | yep |
| 20:34.18 | artemis92 | Anyone know of a way to monitor an individual file in /sys for changes? Pseudo-filesystems such as /sys and /proc cannot be monitored with inotify (according to inotify(7)). |
| 20:34.28 | frzr | card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1] |
| 20:34.45 | frzr | that's the one, tested it with aplay , audio works fine |
| 20:35.04 | frzr | but can't seem to switch audio output to it temporarily, as im trying to do with amixer |
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| 20:36.30 | artemis92 | Reading the /sys file contents at an interval could work, but seems ugly... wondering if there's an alternative |
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| 20:37.00 | mrrhq | frzr: You want to set it as a default, or just per-application? |
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| 20:37.29 | frzr | per application or temporarily |
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| 20:37.44 | frzr | thought i'd make a simple script enabling it for like an hour or so |
| 20:37.46 | mrrhq | There's some ALSA_* environment variables to do that, but I can't remember what they are off the top of my head. |
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| 20:38.03 | frzr | read something about an $ALSA_CARD env variable before |
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| 20:42.36 | mrrhq | frzr: Yeah, so you could do ALSA_CARD=Nvidia [programname] |
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| 20:43.02 | mrrhq | Took me a while to look it up. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#Select_the_default_PCM_via_environment_variable |
| 20:43.32 | frzr | but i have 4 cards named Nvidia |
| 20:43.42 | frzr | 1 card, 4 devices |
| 20:43.43 | frzr | even. |
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| 20:49.50 | styks1987 | I am trying to give a user only sftp access to a specific directory |
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| 20:50.01 | styks1987 | using ChrootDirectory %h works |
| 20:50.06 | styks1987 | but any other directory does not |
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| 21:23.00 | remmona_dash | How could I repeat the "last part of installation of any package" when I do **--reinstall** or just stand-alone. for example; I installed lvm2. at the end of installation it do some post install stuff like generating a new kernel image. I am talking about that. |
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| 21:25.10 | greycat | remmona_dash: dpkg-reconfigure pkgname |
| 21:25.21 | Delf | So, which is it? Does one have to be in audio group or not in order to use audio devices? |
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| 21:27.44 | greycat | remmona_dash: if you mean the initramfs stuff in particular, uh, maybe you wanted update-initramfs |
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| 21:27.57 | greycat | or update-grub |
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| 21:30.06 | TomTomTosch | Delf, yes you do. |
| 21:30.19 | debug0x1 | Anyone go to the hackerfest in NYC? |
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| 21:32.25 | Delf | TomTomTosch: Isn't systemd-logind suppose to give relative users access to respective audio devices? |
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| 21:33.08 | greycat | If that's true -- which I have no idea -- it would do so by putting that user's process(es) into the audio group. |
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| 21:33.57 | grawity | that's true, and no, it puts that user in the ACLs for /dev/snd/* |
| 21:34.01 | Delf | greycat: No, it would fiddle with acl's |
| 21:34.02 | greycat | ah |
| 21:34.11 | greycat | "Because complex is better" |
| 21:34.13 | grawity | no, because they can be granted/revoked at any time |
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| 21:34.53 | greycat | That violates every mental map I have of how Unix works. |
| 21:35.15 | grawity | my mental map of how Unix works is multi-user support from the start |
| 21:35.34 | grawity | example multi-user system: user 1 runs some apps, locks screen; user 2 clicks "Switch user", logs in, and has to work while user 1's apps keep beeping and making sounds in the background |
| 21:35.42 | greycat | Yes, and each user process, once launched, has a fixed UID, GID, Group set, resource limits, etc. inherited from its parent and they don't just change on the fly. |
| 21:36.01 | Delf | the group audio has access to ALL sound devices, which makes no sense in a multi-seat setup |
| 21:36.12 | grawity | your mental map of how Unix works doesn't seem to match how Linux works, then |
| 21:36.39 | greycat | (Well, OK, soft resource limits can be raised and lowered by the process up to the hard limit.) |
| 21:37.48 | TomTomTosch | Delf, you can use something like alsamixer or a util your DE brings to configure the sound for each user me thinks |
| 21:38.35 | TomTomTosch | Delf, the audio group is only access rights, so more of a security thing. |
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| 21:39.17 | Delf | I can use alsamixer and I can see, control the relative audio devices, but I cannot start pulseaudio if I'm not in the audio group |
| 21:39.35 | TomTomTosch | i don't understand the problem. |
| 21:39.55 | kofid | I'm locked out of my BIOS (forgot password). Any idea on how I could install Debian without having to boot from usb? I'm currently running ubuntu and want to replace it. |
| 21:39.57 | TomTomTosch | what keeps you from adding all users you want to the audio group? |
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| 21:40.13 | grawity | Delf: what does `sudo fuser -v /dev/snd/*` show during your attempts to start pulseaudio? |
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| 21:40.34 | markybob | kofid: remove the battery from the motherboard and unplug it for a while. it'll reset the bios |
| 21:40.55 | greycat | (unplug first, before touching the mb) |
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| 21:41.50 | kofid | markybob: ok I will try |
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| 21:43.36 | Delf | grawity: It doesn't show the other user for any of the control files |
| 21:43.43 | grawity | Delf: not interested in that |
| 21:43.46 | grawity | Delf: what processes does it show? |
| 21:43.53 | grawity | Delf: for any files under /dev/snd at all? |
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| 21:44.17 | Delf | Command? pulseaudio. Access F |
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| 21:44.28 | grawity | nothing else? probably good enough |
| 21:44.32 | grawity | `pulseaudio --verbose`, then |
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| 21:46.16 | Delf | grawity: Too much output, can't even pipe to pastebinit |
| 21:46.49 | grawity | pastebin it manually then |
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| 21:47.13 | grawity | maybe |& curl -F sprunge=\<- sprunge.us |
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| 21:50.19 | Delf | http://paste.debian.net/403174/ |
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| 21:51.05 | grawity | kinda looks like you have a lot of custom ALSA config stuff? |
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| 21:51.10 | grawity | in .asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf maybe |
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| 21:54.30 | Delf | Don't have any of them |
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| 21:56.03 | grawity | eh, I'm not sure then |
| 21:56.56 | Delf | I'm using pulseaudio from the backports. Could that have messed up things? |
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| 21:58.09 | Pr0metheus | 1) does anyone use calligra for work? 2) are there any alternatives to libreoffice and calligra? |
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| 22:00.31 | hexnewbie | Pr0metheus: AbiWord/Gnumeric are one alternative. Whether you'd find it suitable is another matter :) |
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| 22:04.15 | Pr0metheus | thanks hexnewbie, i am very dissapointed with the available office software, pretty hard to replace ms office |
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| 22:16.17 | markybob | Pr0metheus: i mean there is always google docs |
| 22:17.34 | Pr0metheus | trying to stay away from those big companies, but also have to find something reliable |
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| 22:18.53 | TomTomTosch | Delf, do you have a ~/.pulse? try to remove that. |
| 22:19.14 | Delf | OK, I think I've found a clue. |
| 22:19.18 | markybob | Pr0metheus: i find abiword to be sufficient |
| 22:20.19 | Pr0metheus | i'll install it now and test-drive it:) |
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| 22:20.27 | Delf | I had three lines in /etc/pulse/system.pa to shorten the descriptive name of the sound devices. update-sink-proplist alsa_output.pci-0000_03_00.0.analog-stereo device.description="Seat0_Headphones"' |
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| 22:22.24 | Guest74422 | i installed debian stable |
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| 22:22.48 | Guest74422 | is there any way to check how permuted my system has become from "standard debian with no packages" since I installed? |
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| 22:29.22 | Pr0metheus | markybob abiword, couldn't open a doc file of 70mb, just like calligra it crashed:P |
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| 22:43.31 | zmitya | hi all.. |
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| 22:44.32 | zmitya | I have a site-to-site ipsec VPN config, using openswan.. the tunnel looks ok I can see the incoming ESP packets to SITE B, but my server does not sent the packet to the destination... |
| 22:44.38 | zmitya | how can I debug it why ? |
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| 22:46.25 | TomTomTosch | Guest74422, dpkg logs everything. zgrep -w install /var/log/dpkg.log* so look at stuff after your install date. not sure how much that will help you. |
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| 22:55.24 | egrain | can't i encrypted unpartitioned space via cryptsetup --plain on an hdd with partitions on it? when i try it like this cryptsetup .... --offset 14124124 open --type plain /dev/sda lalala it gives me: Cannot use device /dev/sda which is in use (already mapped or mounted). |
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| 22:57.57 | Amun_Ra | egrain: /dev/sda is an entire disk and not an unpartitioned space⦠|
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| 22:58.10 | egrain | that's why i added the offset to it. |
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| 22:58.22 | egrain | how else am i going to tell cryptsetup what disk i'm trying to encrypt? |
| 22:58.30 | egrain | just sda where the partitions end. |
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| 22:58.52 | mkb | egrain, you could make a new partition? |
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| 22:59.04 | egrain | then there is no point in using --type plain. |
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| 22:59.27 | egrain | also not much point in the --offset switch. |
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| 22:59.37 | mkb | if it wasn't mounted it would be useful |
| 22:59.59 | mkb | You could write random data to the end. I don't really understand why you want to encrypt unused space anyway. |
| 23:00.21 | egrain | plausible deniability? |
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| 23:00.43 | mkb | random data? |
| 23:00.53 | egrain | i see you've never used plain mode before, have you? |
| 23:01.01 | mkb | no I haven't |
| 23:01.18 | egrain | well, i have a plain encryption running on another machine and there it's the whole drive, sda. |
| 23:01.20 | egrain | no partitions on it. |
| 23:01.40 | mkb | presumably unused space after the partition never changes |
| 23:01.58 | egrain | why would it? only if i made new partitions. |
| 23:02.10 | mkb | what does encrypting it get that writing random data once doesn't? |
| 23:02.24 | egrain | what? |
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| 23:02.32 | egrain | i'm not trying to delete the data on it. |
| 23:02.42 | mkb | it's not partitioned? |
| 23:02.49 | egrain | when you encrypt a drive via --type plain it becomes a partition. |
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| 23:03.32 | mkb | maybe I don't understand what you want to do |
| 23:03.51 | egrain | i want to encrypt the rest of the hdd i haven't partitioned conventionally, to use it encrypted. |
| 23:03.54 | mkb | you've got "extra" space that's not in a partition at the end of your disk? |
| 23:03.58 | egrain | yes. |
| 23:04.07 | mkb | but you are going to use it for something |
| 23:04.17 | mkb | i.e. it's not really extra |
| 23:04.19 | egrain | yes. |
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| 23:04.41 | ChoppedDill_ | the extra space is just for storage ? |
| 23:04.57 | mkb | so why can't you make it a partition? |
| 23:05.00 | egrain | see this: cryptsetup .... --offset 14124124 open --type plain /dev/sda lalala works if there are no mounted partitions on sda. but in this setup right now i have mounted partitions on it, and now it gives me this: |
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| 23:05.09 | mkb | you don't want an attacker to know you have two partitions? |
| 23:05.10 | egrain | Cannot use device /dev/sda which is in use (already mapped or mounted). |
| 23:05.19 | mkb | the mbr would look well-formed and then it's not just random? |
| 23:05.21 | egrain | well, 7, but yes. |
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| 23:05.46 | egrain | the mbr? i don't think plain uses those. |
| 23:05.54 | TomTomTosch | the error msg is pretty telling. |
| 23:05.56 | mkb | can you encrypt the whole disk and then make partitions in the encrypted space? |
| 23:05.57 | egrain | that's why you have to type in the whole line again if you want to decrypt it. |
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| 23:06.22 | egrain | i don't think so. it was just one partition on my other machine. |
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| 23:06.33 | mkb | egrain, yes, but if you wanted two real partitons you'd have to use an mbr? |
| 23:06.44 | mkb | (or whatever new nonsense efi wants) |
| 23:06.51 | egrain | gpt. |
| 23:06.52 | egrain | yes. |
| 23:07.13 | decrypt | decrypt... |
| 23:07.22 | egrain | TomTomTosch, well, that was my initial question. can't i do it then? |
| 23:07.37 | egrain | what's the --offset switch for if i can't use it like this? |
| 23:07.38 | Amun_Ra | mkb: you can encrypt whole disk and have partitions inside (I have lvm inside crypt partition) |
| 23:07.48 | egrain | yeah, that's lvm. i don't have that. |
| 23:08.09 | TomTomTosch | not for a drive that is already in use. |
| 23:08.12 | mkb | I think I do too now that I think about it (I just let the installer make it) |
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| 23:08.39 | egrain | but i'm not using all of it. just the partitions i have already created. |
| 23:08.48 | egrain | so i would have to umount everything so i could use the rest? |
| 23:08.53 | egrain | i'm not amused. |
| 23:09.48 | egrain | well, thanks anyway. |
| 23:09.54 | mkb | do you have to use cryptsetup everytime you want to use it or only to set it up? |
| 23:10.04 | egrain | everytime i mount it. |
| 23:10.15 | egrain | that's the whole point of plain mode. there is no keyfile or header. |
| 23:10.26 | egrain | also no password check. if i type it in wrong, i have random data. |
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| 23:10.54 | ChoppedDill_ | is luks not sufficient in your case ? |
| 23:11.09 | egrain | i'm sure it is, but why settle for "sufficient"? |
| 23:11.30 | egrain | i thought the whole point of linux was to see if you can do something. |
| 23:12.00 | egrain | otherwise i could use windows and say i don't need my stuff encrypted anyway, because i'm not doing anything wrong. pls MS listen to everything i do! |
| 23:12.11 | Amun_Ra | and that reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2zlPNGuPbw ;) |
| 23:12.22 | egrain | HAHAH! |
| 23:12.24 | egrain | yeah. |
| 23:12.53 | egrain | but what i find really funny here is that you have those little clips handy whenever you need them. |
| 23:12.55 | mkb | egrain, do you get something like /dev/mapper/sda3_crypt ? |
| 23:13.19 | egrain | if i did i wouldn't have a problem. |
| 23:13.24 | egrain | all i have there is control and swap. |
| 23:13.36 | egrain | which has it's on partition but is also encrypted via plain mode. |
| 23:13.41 | egrain | its. sorry. |
| 23:13.43 | mkb | so what happens when you decrypt in plain mode? what device do you use to see things? |
| 23:13.54 | egrain | oh, you mean if it works? |
| 23:13.58 | mkb | yeah |
| 23:14.03 | egrain | then it's in /dev/mapper/ |
| 23:14.10 | egrain | just like normal luksOpen stuff. |
| 23:14.31 | mkb | okay I have no clue if the kernel will read it, but can you just run fdisk or $gptdiskprogram on it? |
| 23:14.40 | mkb | or use lvm like someone suggested |
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| 23:17.21 | egrain | i'm sorry. i thought this was america. |
| 23:17.26 | egrain | but thank you anyway. |
| 23:17.31 | Amun_Ra | this is my current setup http://paste.debian.net/403209/ ; I will encrypt /boot on reinstall tho |
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| 23:19.24 | egrain | that's mine with the running --type plain encryption https://bpaste.net/show/6460ae484007 |
| 23:19.31 | egrain | as you can see, no partition needed. |
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| 23:20.34 | tharkun | I have a headless server with minimal stuff, how can I make that server be able to print on the network cups server? |
| 23:20.36 | Amun_Ra | mhm, I haven't tested plain type yet |
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| 23:21.16 | egrain | i really like it. it's more robust, too. since if you lose the header file the whole partition is gone. |
| 23:21.19 | egrain | not with plain. |
| 23:22.13 | Amun_Ra | I have header backup (not to mention the data;) |
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| 23:25.30 | TomTomTosch | egrain, you could check /dev/mapper if you already had it mapped. |
| 23:25.40 | egrain | did. nottin there. |
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| 23:26.53 | TomTomTosch | it's a rather strange setup though. using it on sda. |
| 23:27.08 | TomTomTosch | never tried it, so no idea. |
| 23:27.40 | Amun_Ra | egrain: but you still have password prompt when booting, right? |
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| 23:28.08 | Amun_Ra | egrain: if so, where's plausible deniability? ;> |
| 23:28.18 | egrain | oh, my young friend... |
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| 23:28.47 | egrain | if you please look at my setup: https://bpaste.net/show/6460ae484007 |
| 23:29.00 | Amun_Ra | I don't know how pd works in us - luckily there's no such law in my country |
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| 23:29.27 | egrain | no no. it works the way you think it does. |
| 23:29.34 | Amun_Ra | ah, separate boot, right |
| 23:29.40 | egrain | but if you look at my setup, you see that i haven't ... excatly. |
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| 23:29.45 | egrain | it's all on the mmblk thingy. |
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| 23:30.23 | dcrouch | Upon trying to install debian 7.8 and 7.9 I'm getting the following. http://fpaste.org/328816/35650914/ Trying to prepare a system for proxmox and the server has no network access due to a firmware issue. How do I get past the grub installation? |
| 23:31.07 | egrain | that glorious feeling when you can connect to a server via ssh just after you typed in sudo reboot. |
| 23:31.45 | dcrouch | egrain, I typed that into ansible (reboot). |
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| 23:32.28 | egrain | ansible? |
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| 23:33.25 | dcrouch | egrain, used for automation. https://www.ansible.com/ |
| 23:34.03 | TomTomTosch | dcrouch, there is a firmware installer that could help you. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 23:34.38 | mac1 | hello |
| 23:35.03 | egrain | i see. |
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| 23:37.03 | yedderson | does disabling ext4 journaling feature really improve read performance ? |
| 23:37.20 | yedderson | on SSD drives |
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| 23:38.50 | Paianni | don't |
| 23:38.57 | TomTomTosch | ^ this |
| 23:39.36 | dcrouch | TomTomTosch, http://fpaste.org/328821/57137145/ If what I need is there, this netinstall should work and provide me with a working grub? |
| 23:40.26 | yedderson | Paianni, TomTomTosch could you elaborate ? |
| 23:41.30 | yedderson | Paianni, TomTomTosch this is my personal laptop, with regular use |
| 23:41.32 | TomTomTosch | dcrouch, with the firmware iso you will probably be able to connect to the network and download grub-pc |
| 23:41.50 | Paianni | disabling journaling will make the system unsafe |
| 23:42.05 | Paianni | essentially |
| 23:42.27 | dcrouch | TomTomTosch, can I also do a full install from that image? |
| 23:42.45 | Paianni | i don't understand all the details |
| 23:42.45 | TomTomTosch | dcrouch, those images are installers. |
| 23:43.15 | TomTomTosch | dcrouch, is there a reason you wan wheezy? |
| 23:43.21 | TomTomTosch | s/wan/want |
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| 23:43.47 | dcrouch | TomTomTosch, proxmox installation, is it fully supported on 8.0 yet? |
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| 23:44.29 | TomTomTosch | dcrouch, no idea about proxmox. but maybe you want to find that one out first. |
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| 23:44.52 | dcrouch | TomTomTosch, I tried almost a year ago and had to revert, worst case I can upgrade when available. |
| 23:45.10 | dcrouch | TomTomTosch, Trying what you recommended local before having datacenter setup. Thanks. :) |
| 23:45.23 | TomTomTosch | dcrouch, good luck then. |
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| 23:46.10 | dcrouch | TomTomTosch, I've gone through all routes, net install over NFS with PXE boot. Mounting over KVM (failed), and iso failed due to grub issue, no networking. Remote installs are GREAT! Thanks I'll need the luck. |
| 23:47.19 | TomTomTosch | dcrouch, have you always used the netinstall. me thinks grub-pc is included on the cd image. |
| 23:47.49 | TomTomTosch | dcrouch, just if the firmware iso doesn't do for you. |
| 23:47.54 | dcrouch | TomTomTosch, firmware issue with NIC. No network access, but firmware is included on the link you provided. |
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| 23:49.03 | dcrouch | Else, I could try to remake the Debian DVD including the drivers I need, or netinstall. LOL |
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| 23:51.46 | lluis | do you think is good idea to add a howto install spotify in debian wiki? |
| 23:52.14 | lluis | based on https://linuxconfig.org/installation-of-spotify-client-on-debian-linux-8-jessie-64-bit |
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| 23:55.01 | TomTomTosch | well, spotify is not in debian. so not sure it would be wise to endorse that. |
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| 23:56.31 | dcrouch | TomTomTosch, Have you seen this? http://i.imgur.com/fPb4qdH.jpg |
| 23:56.53 | TomTomTosch | ah well, skype isn't either and it's in the wiki too. |
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| 23:57.26 | egrain | oh, i got it. the stacked encryption thing gave me an idea. i just make another partition with ext4 on it, and then use plain mode to encrypt it at some higher offset. boom. hidden! |
| 23:57.47 | dcrouch | !rules |
| 23:57.47 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>) |
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| 23:58.16 | TomTomTosch | dcrouch, heh you should head over to #debian-offtopic for further silly pictures though :P |
| 23:58.31 | dcrouch | LOL, thought I'd share a laugh! |
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| 23:58.36 | XeonHybrid | d |
| 23:58.44 | XeonHybrid | Hello |
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| 23:59.12 | egrain | dcrouch, not funny. |
| 23:59.18 | lluis | TomTomTosch, so i guess it will be a good idea to have it at the wiki |
