| 00:00.06 | dcrouch | egrain, I tried. I think it made Tom smile. |
| 00:00.30 | egrain | i guess that counts. |
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| 00:00.53 | lluis | TomTomTosch, like dropbox too |
| 00:01.53 | dcrouch | I've not had much experience with Debian just from basic work usage on some Debian servers. What would be a point to use it over Ubuntu? |
| 00:02.12 | egrain | anyway. i have to go. thanks for all the help attempts. |
| 00:02.31 | XeonHybrid | Its not ubuntu |
| 00:02.36 | XeonHybrid | :P |
| 00:02.36 | TomTomTosch | lluis, eh, don't ask me, i'm just an insignificant fool |
| 00:02.36 | Xc3ls10r | TomTomTosch: bar |
| 00:02.42 | tharkun | dcrouch: You can make with debian whatever you feel like. And the most important part, it is not ubuntu |
| 00:03.26 | XeonHybrid | seriously though ubuntu has more updates something might get updated and break it |
| 00:03.38 | mkb | debian is free |
| 00:03.41 | TomTomTosch | dcrouch, debian is as stable and secure as it gets. it's very convenient. that's why i use it where i can. |
| 00:03.42 | XeonHybrid | Debian is tried and thoroughly tested so more stable |
| 00:04.02 | tharkun | How can I find out what packages does tasksel install when selecting print server? |
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| 00:04.29 | XeonHybrid | it would be cups :P |
| 00:04.30 | dcrouch | XeonHybrid, would that hold true in LTS also? I know Ubuntu non LTS is 13 month release cycle, while LTS is ~2-4 years before obsoletion. |
| 00:04.45 | jmcnaught | dcrouch: https://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian and https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian have some reasons. Personally I like that it's a non-profit organization with a social contract, and I find the quality a lot higher and more consistent than Ubuntu (which outside of core packages has been hit or miss in my experience) |
| 00:05.10 | markybob | tharkun: apt-cache show task-print-server tells you it's cups, cups-client, cups-bsd |
| 00:05.39 | XeonHybrid | I think so |
| 00:05.49 | tharkun | markybob: I didn't know there was a task-print-server package :) |
| 00:05.58 | XeonHybrid | the LTS still gets more frequent updates opposed to Debian |
| 00:06.12 | dcrouch | Thanks everyone for the opinions. I may switch my plex server to Debian at some point, it's Ubuntu. Just |
| 00:06.25 | dcrouch | XeonHybrid, I guess if it's not broken, don't fix it. LOL |
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| 00:06.27 | XeonHybrid | Well if it isn't broke |
| 00:06.29 | tharkun | dcrouch: lts is still maintaining 6.0.10 figure the rest out. |
| 00:06.52 | XeonHybrid | ei |
| 00:06.54 | XeonHybrid | wi |
| 00:07.05 | tharkun | markybob: Thanks |
| 00:07.09 | tharkun | again :) |
| 00:08.07 | jmcnaught | ls |
| 00:08.13 | jmcnaught | oops :) |
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| 00:11.33 | lluis | is there any way to do "wget http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main/libg/libgcrypt11/libgcrypt11_1.5.3-5_amd64.deb" but downloading always the latest version of the amd64 deb? |
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| 00:11.58 | grawity | apt-get download libgcrypt11 |
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| 00:12.42 | lluis | grawity, yes i know, but im in debian jessie and this package in amd64 architecture is only avaliable in sid |
| 00:12.52 | markybob | lluis: no. and that's not supported |
| 00:12.59 | lluis | markybob, ok |
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| 00:17.17 | wegg | I had a second drive on another Debian install that I have removed from that system and put into this one. I can read all the files but I now can't write to that drive. How do I change permissions on that drive so I can write to it? |
| 00:18.17 | lluis | i edited some pages in debian wiki but now i want to create one how can i do it? (i cant find it) |
| 00:18.33 | wegg | would chmod 777 /media/username/drive work? |
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| 00:19.23 | stratum | caution: current stable android-tools packages *can* brick newer handsets |
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| 00:20.27 | wegg | nope. . . chmod didn't work. |
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| 00:22.30 | wegg | sudo chown -R johndoe:johndoe /media/something didn't work |
| 00:22.32 | wegg | grr |
| 00:22.39 | lluis | ok i've found how to create one |
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| 00:23.15 | TomTomTosch | wegg, what fs are you using? it's probably mounted read-only. |
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| 00:23.28 | jmcnaught | lluis: probably a good idea to review https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki first. Also MoinMoin (the wiki software used by debian) has extensive Help pages |
| 00:23.51 | wegg | I just mounted it through thunar |
| 00:24.00 | wegg | I'm using Debian Testing |
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| 00:24.52 | TomTomTosch | !debian-next |
| 00:24.53 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:25.19 | XeonHybrid | !debian |
| 00:25.19 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 00:25.23 | wegg | Kind of doubt this is a testing specific issue. |
| 00:25.36 | TomTomTosch | wegg, does not matter. |
| 00:25.56 | Amun_Ra | lluis: you can download it manually http://paste.debian.net/403271/ |
| 00:25.57 | jmcnaught | wegg: instead of using Thunar you could use the mount command, or make an entry in /etc/fstab (both mount and fstab have man pages) |
| 00:26.09 | XeonHybrid | what file system are you using? |
| 00:26.24 | wegg | the default. ext4 |
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| 00:26.50 | Poppabear | where is tcl8.5 located after install via packages ? |
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| 00:27.07 | abrotman | Poppabear: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 00:27.12 | Amun_Ra | Poppabear: $> which tcl8.5 |
| 00:27.26 | jmcnaught | wegg: also the support for Debian testing is in a separate channel for a reason, so that this channel can be for users of stable. you might also consider using stable until you get more familiar with debian, so that when you run into problems you know it's not a testing bug |
| 00:27.41 | XeonHybrid | updatedb && locate <packagename> |
| 00:27.47 | abrotman | packagename? |
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| 00:28.02 | XeonHybrid | name of package |
| 00:28.11 | abrotman | Iknow what you meant, that likely won't work |
| 00:28.16 | abrotman | or won't find what's desired |
| 00:30.12 | XeonHybrid | sorry forget I said anything :P |
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| 00:32.12 | abrotman | wegg: youcan't write in existing directories, or you can't create anything new? |
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| 00:33.23 | wegg | I can't write anything. |
| 00:33.46 | wegg | I'm going to mount it through fstab. That's how I have done it in the past. That must be the reason I can't do it now. |
| 00:33.54 | abrotman | would probably try to get a different media device, like a USB drive, and mount to the same spot and test |
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| 00:34.47 | XeonHybrid | oops |
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| 01:00.17 | austeregrim | anyone have any recommendations on how to do a local private mirror? |
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| 01:01.59 | austeregrim | I'm using the ftpsync tool... and it appears to be working, slowly, but it's getting the entire archive, and I don't see a way to configure it to get just Debian 8+ |
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| 01:04.05 | TomTomTosch | https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 01:04.25 | TomTomTosch | rsync is the recommended tool. you can configure it to copy a part of the archive. |
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| 01:05.25 | austeregrim | yeah the ftpsync tool uses rsync. but there's no configuration to get just a version. maybe I just need to learn rsync more and pull what I need. |
| 01:06.25 | austeregrim | just feels like I've taken an overnight project and turned it into a few days of research... and a weekend download. |
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| 01:07.10 | jmcnaught | austeregrim: depending on the reason for having a local mirror it might be quicker and easier to use a cache like apt-cacher-ng |
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| 01:08.30 | austeregrim | jmcnaught, yes... i know. but my work is in the middle of the desert with no internet connectivity. (well limited) ... I'd like to do a monthly mirror from home, take a drive out and turn on a vm to provide the package mirror |
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| 01:09.21 | jmcnaught | austeregrim: yeah a mirror sounds like a better fit for you |
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| 01:10.22 | austeregrim | yeah, I think I only need amd64, and of the latest distro release... |
| 01:10.30 | markybob | or apt-zip |
| 01:10.48 | austeregrim | sometimes I love my mac, sometimes I hate it for it's autocorrect. |
| 01:12.03 | austeregrim | markybob, I'm trying to find a way that is somewhat cross platform (debian and centos) that I can create a vm for debian mirror, and a vm for a centos mirror. |
| 01:12.10 | TomTomTosch | there is an --exclude option. you could try that. |
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| 01:12.33 | austeregrim | and by cross platform, less uniqueness in the scripting |
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| 01:13.50 | austeregrim | let me ask it this way, a mirror is just a directory structure sorted for the packages? I can just rsync the folder I need? |
| 01:14.13 | austeregrim | and when I put the location in apt it really won't care? |
| 01:14.24 | austeregrim | the final location I mean. |
| 01:14.34 | TomTomTosch | i don't see why not. |
| 01:14.59 | nname31 | hello, i used binwalk and dnot take any analyze, |
| 01:15.00 | markybob | austeregrim: that can be it. you don't need to have a web server running or anything |
| 01:15.01 | nname31 | have any alternative analyze tools? |
| 01:15.03 | nname31 | http://paste.debian.net/403281/ |
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| 01:16.20 | austeregrim | markybob, can apt use an ssh (sftp) server for it's repo? |
| 01:16.51 | markybob | austeregrim: i've never heard of such a thing. you can use sshfs to mount it locally and then use it |
| 01:17.20 | austeregrim | but ftp is standard |
| 01:18.03 | markybob | austeregrim: still haven't heard of it. there is https (but that's a separate package) |
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| 01:19.55 | austeregrim | k, thanks.. maybe I'm attacking this from the wrong angle, and just need to rsync the directory I need. |
| 01:20.16 | markybob | i'd still use apt-zip :P |
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| 01:20.35 | markybob | once a month updates on stable...yeah. easy |
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| 01:22.23 | xgpt | Hey! I'm looking for a guide to a persistent installation of a linux server for a **very** light, single user wiki&ssh host. I would like to be able to boot into a linux distro (preferably debian or ubuntu) and have it load my server software from USB, (maybe into RAM?!) and use the rest of the free space of the USB drive as a disk for writing on. Is this possible? |
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| 01:23.01 | markybob | xgpt: i know ubuntu has persistent. debian doesn't |
| 01:23.11 | markybob | xgpt: so go ask them |
| 01:23.34 | xgpt | fair enough, is it called persistent mode? just curious |
| 01:23.39 | markybob | xgpt: yes |
| 01:23.58 | xgpt | thanks, I'm turning up guides from years ago...sorry for the bother...just can't find anything current :( |
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| 01:26.12 | TomTomTosch | thinking about it, i have no idea how to copy only one release in the archive with rsync. |
| 01:26.22 | TomTomTosch | i don't think it's that easy. |
| 01:27.04 | TomTomTosch | but ftpsync has --exclude options. |
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| 01:27.52 | jmcnaught | debian live did have a persistence feature, i had the documentation for it bookmarked, but it seems to just redirect to a general https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-live/ page now. xgpt another option you could try is doing a regular debian install to a USB disk |
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| 01:31.42 | markybob | TomTomTosch: wouldn't rsync -rltp rsync://ftpfoorepo ~/repo/ work? |
| 01:31.42 | Xc3ls10r | markybob: bar |
| 01:32.10 | markybob | Xc3ls10r: foo |
| 01:32.10 | Xc3ls10r | markybob: bar |
| 01:32.16 | markybob | wtf is going on |
| 01:32.39 | TomTomTosch | i have no idea but it has been in here for a while. |
| 01:33.07 | nebg | Qhello everyone i'm trying to compile by hand a program called termite found on github... but i got the following compilation errors... https://bpaste.net/show/b55de98eba59 can anyone help ? |
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| 01:34.15 | TomTomTosch | markybob, if he only wants to copy the jessie part of the repo? |
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| 01:35.22 | TomTomTosch | markybob, as i understand the packages are mixed in pool/ and the references are in dist/<release>/ |
| 01:35.28 | austeregrim | it all depends on how much space it's going to take... if all the repos is <1Tb for amd64 I'm ok |
| 01:35.34 | jmcnaught | nebg: it looks like it is missing dependencies, maybe check the termite install instructions again? |
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| 01:36.13 | austeregrim | I'll have problems right this second as I didn't allocate space on the vhd |
| 01:36.25 | nebg | jmcnaught, i installed vte |
| 01:36.36 | nebg | and told him to point to the vte directory... |
| 01:36.43 | nebg | passing to gcc the flag -I |
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| 01:37.12 | jmcnaught | nebg: the instructions say it needs vte-ng. perhaps you should ask the developer, maybe open an issue |
| 01:37.48 | austeregrim | TomTomTosch, I could do multiple rsyncs if needed... I just need to look into rsync to see how it works. I've not actually rsync'd anything in a long while. |
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| 01:42.12 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, i don't think that's an option, as the releases are mixed in the pool directory. just give me a minute to try the --exclude option for ftpsync. |
| 01:42.34 | markybob | TomTomTosch: i still fail to understand why apt-zip isn't a far better option anyway |
| 01:42.42 | markybob | austeregrim: ^ |
| 01:42.54 | TomTomTosch | ah, nevermind then. |
| 01:43.12 | austeregrim | markybob, eh... it could be. |
| 01:45.22 | austeregrim | markybob, apt-zip looks like it only gets what's needed on a one time basis. I don't want to have to do syncs every time I need to install something different |
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| 01:45.44 | austeregrim | meaning go home, load up a vm with apt-zip and sneaker net it. |
| 01:46.50 | austeregrim | I'd rather do a whole mirror, because I'll have multiple servers that may need to install particular things... and I'd like to update them all at the same time with a mirror that I can sneaker net monthly. |
| 01:46.51 | markybob | austeregrim: oh. i understood from what you said that you wanted to update stable monthly from home. not new packages |
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| 01:47.59 | austeregrim | yeah building some semblance of a server structure at work, that has not existed to date... and mostly windows machines |
| 01:48.37 | austeregrim | installed observium this week and some other things for a laptop, and it's been a pain without a working mirror. |
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| 01:49.26 | austeregrim | my only access to the internet is a 1mbs pipe that is not stable and sometimes can't access anything, also can't plug the servers into an internet facing network |
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| 01:51.22 | TomTomTosch | the ftpsync.conf.sample has an option EXCLUDE you can add releases and architectures there as far as i can see. |
| 01:51.53 | austeregrim | I have excluded the arches, didn't realize I could exclude releases |
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| 01:52.37 | TomTomTosch | i think so. |
| 01:54.20 | austeregrim | well I've got ftpsync running, I'll see what it comes up with, if it fills the vhd (300gb) then I'll need to exclude the releases |
| 01:56.14 | austeregrim | I may end up just loading a server here at home that stays up to date a bit more frequently weekly, that way I can just copy a mirror vm at any time, an excuse to build a virtual host at home. |
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| 01:57.54 | austeregrim | thanks TomTomTosch and markybob for your help... at least it got me thinking about the process a bit more. |
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| 01:58.24 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, btw EXCLUDE is not for arches. |
| 01:58.35 | TomTomTosch | ARCH_EXCLUDE is for arches |
| 01:58.39 | austeregrim | ah |
| 01:59.17 | TomTomTosch | try putting oldoldstable oldstable testing unstable in EXCLUDE |
| 01:59.28 | TomTomTosch | anyway, good luck. |
| 01:59.44 | austeregrim | good idea. thanks. |
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| 02:01.44 | austeregrim | TomTomTosch, nope that just ended the job too quickly. |
| 02:02.06 | austeregrim | I need the exact rsync exclude option... |
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| 02:04.20 | TomTomTosch | ah, right. RSYNC_OPTIONS1 has --exclude=Release* |
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| 02:04.44 | TomTomTosch | --exclude=oldoldstable --exclude=oldstable and so on. |
| 02:05.20 | TomTomTosch | never tried that so i'm not sure. |
| 02:05.27 | austeregrim | I can try |
| 02:06.14 | Delf | How come there's a user Debian-gdm with capital D? |
| 02:07.19 | Delf | There's also Debian-exim |
| 02:08.50 | austeregrim | TomTomTosch, looks like it's running... won't know until it's all done I suppose... thanks again. |
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| 02:09.32 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, no problem. would be nice to know if it worked :) |
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| 02:09.50 | austeregrim | I'll try to remind myself to let you know |
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| 02:17.21 | TomTomTosch | Delf, every DM creates a user. |
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| 02:17.38 | Delf | TomTomTosch: DM? |
| 02:17.57 | TomTomTosch | the thing you log into. |
| 02:18.12 | Delf | Display Manger? So that goes for every smtpd too? |
| 02:18.59 | markybob | Delf: exim needs a user to run as, yes. |
| 02:19.50 | TomTomTosch | Delf, the mail daemon? |
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| 02:20.18 | abrotman | zless /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz ? |
| 02:20.20 | abrotman | something like that |
| 02:20.57 | Delf | TomTomTosch: Yes |
| 02:22.04 | Delf | Thanks! :D |
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| 02:27.43 | austeregrim | TomTomTosch, looks like it's working, had to --exclude=oldold* to wildcard it |
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| 02:28.10 | TomTomTosch | okayo. cool :D |
| 02:28.51 | dlmayhem | shit |
| 02:28.55 | dlmayhem | i'm sorry |
| 02:29.13 | austeregrim | at 6.4gb currently... now I wait. wish there was an easier way to find a closer and faster server. :-D |
| 02:29.51 | austeregrim | speeds up to 77mbs... can't complain I guess. |
| 02:30.14 | jmcnaught | austeregrim: do you know about http://http.debian.net/ ? |
| 02:30.58 | austeregrim | jmcnaught, can't use that for mirroring a mirror... or not supposed to |
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| 02:32.43 | austeregrim | but I've only got a 100mbs link... so 77mbs isn't too bad. |
| 02:33.05 | austeregrim | could be worse, I used to live about an hour away and my speed cap was 3mbs |
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| 02:58.21 | edju | running iceweasel 38.6.1. can't get "theme font and size changer" to show as either toolbar icon or entry in tools menu. anyone using it successfully? if so, any hints or pointers? |
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| 02:59.08 | markybob | edju: i don't use iceweasel but you can try getting a decently recent version from http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 03:14.01 | RobinHood2015 | I'm having a problem using sudo. Even after adding my normal user to the "sudo" group (i.e. "usermod -a -G sudo <username>") and rebooting, I still can't do "sudo" anything. After I type in my password, the terminal says, "<username> is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." What's the problem? |
| 03:14.29 | markybob | RobinHood2015: man visudo |
| 03:15.52 | RobinHood2015 | And... I'm supposed to be looking at... what, exactly? |
| 03:16.08 | markybob | RobinHood2015: the document that tells you what to do |
| 03:16.52 | markybob | RobinHood2015: it's really not that hard. read it. |
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| 03:18.59 | RobinHood2015 | All right, I'm looking at a critical line 23 that reads "%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL". What is the significance of the % sign in front of this line? |
| 03:19.11 | abrotman | that's the group |
| 03:19.24 | abrotman | so, yes, it should work |
| 03:19.41 | abrotman | RobinHood2015: if you type 'groups' ? |
| 03:20.11 | RobinHood2015 | I see that I am a member of group 'sudo'... |
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| 03:20.34 | RobinHood2015 | Ah, all right, I've got it down now. |
| 03:20.43 | abrotman | huh? |
| 03:21.59 | austeregrim | I love this wait time for the rsync |
| 03:22.02 | RobinHood2015 | Forgive me... I'm an Ubuntu veteran, and since Ubuntu uses Debian as its base, I figured a lot of things would work the same way in Debian as they do in Ubuntu. |
| 03:22.40 | quantic | RobinHood2015: So, what was the issue? |
| 03:24.23 | RobinHood2015 | At first I thought % was the same as # (comment) -- % does mean comment in some languages -- so I removed it. Turns out, though, what ended up happening was it checked for a USER named "sudo". |
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| 03:26.11 | abrotman | notes that is not different in Ubuntu |
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| 03:26.55 | quantic | sudoers syntax is the same across distros. |
| 03:26.59 | quantic | Even in BSD, that's the same. |
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| 03:28.37 | Hello71 | sudo is *the same program* |
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| 03:29.00 | Hello71 | that's like saying that curl or bash syntax is the same |
| 03:29.17 | RobinHood2015 | Boy, I feel stupid. |
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| 03:42.43 | quantic | Hello71: I know, just... reiterating. |
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| 04:00.56 | frogdr | Did anyone else's Debian torrent just drop connection? |
| 04:03.04 | markybob | frogdr: that's not even possible |
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| 04:44.08 | dAnjou | hi guys, i'm really desparate. i tried rebooting our server after the kernel update that fixed this root exploit from a few weeks ago and this happened https://i.imgur.com/qla1Ems.jpg |
| 04:44.20 | dAnjou | it's a raid1 |
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| 04:44.57 | dAnjou | it's a debian 8 and the kernel version is 3.16.0-4 |
| 04:45.51 | dAnjou | it looks like this might be relevant https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=784070 |
| 04:45.52 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/784070 in mdadm (closed, patch): «mdadm Software RAID1 with GPT on Debian 8.0.0 amd64 - Does not mount/boot on disk removal»; severity: critical; opened: 2015-05-02; last modified: 2016-01-27. |
| 04:46.21 | dAnjou | can someone help me boot this machine? |
| 04:48.17 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: hello. is it an LVM volume group on top of a softraid RAID1 as the physical volume? |
| 04:48.54 | dAnjou | i'd say yes |
| 04:49.52 | dAnjou | there are two SSDs and two HDDs in that server, both having a raid1 |
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| 04:50.29 | dAnjou | the two HDDs have an ubuntu installed which i can get to boot by choosing the disk in the bios as the first boot device |
| 04:50.47 | dAnjou | but when i choose the SSD it drops me into that shell |
| 04:51.17 | dAnjou | the raid on the SSDs has debian 8 installed |
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| 04:51.55 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: what you get from "cat /proc/mdstat" ? |
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| 04:52.53 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: you could also check the commands "vgs" to see LVM volume groups, and "pvs" to see LVM physical volumes. There should probably be at least a /dev/md0 (or md1) listed by pvs |
| 04:54.41 | dAnjou | https://i.imgur.com/ixvWMLn.jpg |
| 04:55.10 | dAnjou | those commands are not available in this shell |
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| 04:57.01 | dAnjou | sda and sdb are the SSDs |
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| 05:00.16 | solrize | i'm running debian 7 and i think that apt-get upgrade installed the glibc patch... do i have to reboot the box for the patch to take effect? i thought it was a userspace patch but several places have said to reboot |
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| 05:00.42 | dAnjou | solrize: probably because so many things use glibc |
| 05:00.51 | solrize | hmm ok |
| 05:00.55 | dAnjou | but it's enough to restart the processes |
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| 05:01.27 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: the "UU" means the drives are both okay, but i don't know why it is in read-only mode. you could try stopping the array and starting it again. were there any other errors earlier in the boot? |
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| 05:01.45 | solrize | box has been up for more than a year and there have been some kernel upgrades since then... is that reason to reboot on principle? |
| 05:01.53 | solrize | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.24 | jmcnaught | solrize: yes there have been updates that require a reboot in that time |
| 05:02.43 | solrize | ok thanks i guess i'll reboot (byebye nice long uptime :) ) |
| 05:02.52 | solrize | reboot in progress |
| 05:03.11 | dAnjou | jmcnaught: it scrolled up too quickly but it was only what you can see in my first screenshot https://i.imgur.com/qla1Ems.jpg |
| 05:03.25 | dAnjou | and something started with only 2 drives |
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| 05:03.59 | jmcnaught | solrize: there is a checkrestart script in the debian-goodies package that you might find useful, it'll list the processes still using old libraries. kernel updates do require a reboot though |
| 05:04.16 | solrize | oh thanks i'll look for that |
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| 05:05.03 | solrize | and it's back from the reboot i guess that was pretty quick |
| 05:05.19 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: anything in dmesg? i'm wondering if maybe the lvm tools are are missing from your initrd for some reason |
| 05:06.04 | solrize | Found 0 processes using old versions of upgraded files |
| 05:06.09 | solrize | nice thanks |
| 05:06.16 | solrize | will try that on some other systems |
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| 05:08.23 | dAnjou | jmcnaught: not sure what to look for |
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| 05:08.54 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: more errors to provide more clues |
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| 05:10.42 | dAnjou | md0: unknown partition table? |
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| 05:11.56 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: the mdadm command is not available? |
| 05:12.04 | dAnjou | it is |
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| 05:14.32 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: "mdadm -E /dev/md0" should give you more details about the array |
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| 05:15.14 | dAnjou | no md superblock detected on /dev/md0 |
| 05:15.47 | dAnjou | btw. each disk has 3 partitions |
| 05:16.03 | dAnjou | so i don't know why there are only 2 in mdstat |
| 05:16.06 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: "fdisk -l" does this show all the partitions that should be there? |
| 05:16.08 | dAnjou | is the normal? |
| 05:16.23 | dAnjou | no fdisk |
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| 05:17.15 | jmcnaught | i don't normally spend very much time in the initrd bash prompt, so i'm not sure what should be there |
| 05:17.15 | dAnjou | i guess i could reinstall the system but i don't know whether it recognizes the raid then |
| 05:18.43 | dAnjou | https://i.imgur.com/45lO5iQ.jpg |
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| 05:18.49 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: you could boot into the ubuntu install on the other disks and see if you can pull up the array on the SSDs there |
| 05:19.03 | dAnjou | pull up? |
| 05:19.18 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: access them successfully |
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| 05:20.19 | dAnjou | or do you think i could take out a drive, point root to sda1 and boot only from this one disk? |
| 05:20.30 | dAnjou | in grub |
| 05:20.33 | Toba | hey, anyone know a way to show the dep tree that lead to why a given apt-get install command would want to install these tons of x11 libraries |
| 05:21.00 | Toba | is there a simple apt-get option to show 'yeah, you will also install these extra things, but tell me why you are doing it' |
| 05:21.09 | markybob | Toba: pastebin your full command /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:22.07 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: if it's just one bad drive, it might come up with only the good one present. if you already have another linux installed on this computer it'll probably be easier to see if the array/LVM is healthy from there than in the initrd rescue shell |
| 05:22.32 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: it might be a problem with the disks, or it could be a config issue |
| 05:22.40 | Toba | I want to learn how to fish, not a fish, but thanks - markybob |
| 05:22.55 | markybob | Toba: you're not going to learn if you don't let us help you |
| 05:23.09 | markybob | Toba: pastebin it and learn what's wrong or go away |
| 05:23.25 | Toba | ok, sure |
| 05:23.36 | Toba | I'm just asking if there's an option to apt-get to show the dep tree that lead to the given solution |
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| 05:23.47 | Toba | it's not a real "problem" per se, I don't have anything "wrong" |
| 05:24.11 | Toba | I'm curious about aptitude/apt-get features, and googling isn't turning anything up. |
| 05:24.20 | jmcnaught | Toba: you could check the apt-cache man page for the depends subcommand. there's also "aptitude why". You might also be interested in "--no-install-recommends" for apt-get. (and look up the difference between depends, recommends and suggests) |
| 05:24.33 | Toba | Thanks jmcnaught I will check that out. |
| 05:24.56 | dAnjou | jmcnaught: lets see if i can get there |
| 05:26.13 | markybob | Toba: i'm only going to ask you one more time to pastebin the commad/output and sources.list |
| 05:26.33 | Toba | markybob, I already got helped. no thanks to you. |
| 05:26.36 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.44 | Toba | I don't need to hear form you either :) |
| 05:26.51 | Toba | thanks a lot jmcnaught I'm on my way now. |
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| 05:27.03 | Toba | it was a recommended package pulling in a lot of stuff I don't want. |
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| 05:28.12 | quantic | Toba: Don't be a jerk. Seriously. |
| 05:29.01 | Toba | I don't believe I am one |
| 05:29.13 | jmcnaught | maybe we should just drop it |
| 05:29.17 | Toba | let's do that |
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| 05:36.35 | dAnjou | oh man, now it doesn't let me login there |
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| 05:39.56 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: you mean you cannot login on the ubuntu system on the other drives? unfortunately (for this situation at least) i've never really had to troubleshoot an mdadm issue like this. maybe you could try troubleshooting from a live disk? |
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| 05:41.36 | dAnjou | i guess i could |
| 05:41.59 | jmcnaught | unless someone else here has more experience with softraid issues |
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| 05:43.28 | dAnjou | best thing is that my f'ing collegues don't answer the phone |
| 05:44.01 | dAnjou | work day starts in not much more than an hour |
| 05:44.57 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: if it were me i would try to troubleshoot from a live disk, or try doing stuff in the initrd rescue shell like stopping the array, trying to reassemble it. you could try and check the status of the disks in some other places, like the BIOS setup perhaps, or try selectively removing a disk at a time to see if one of them is causing the issue |
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| 05:49.43 | dAnjou | i'll try the live thing now, just finished creating it |
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| 06:06.02 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: hey did you make any progress? i figured i should mention if you don't already have good backups and do manage to get the array working again, do backups right away. I hope it works out :) |
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| 06:11.46 | dAnjou | jmcnaught: not really, not a clue what i can do |
| 06:11.51 | dAnjou | we have backups |
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| 06:12.15 | dAnjou | but i doubt they are useful if this machine doesn't boot |
| 06:13.04 | dAnjou | i guess i could chroot into the installation an install another kernel |
| 06:13.28 | dAnjou | but for that i need to mount it first |
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| 06:14.44 | jmcnaught | a few weeks ago at work we had a server not come back up after a kernel update (for a recent Xen vulnerability) and I had to go to the datacentre to fix it. The machine wouldn't make it to grub, just a blinking cursor after POST. I moved the drives (a RAID1) into a spare machine, and it came up but I noticed that the RAID1 was degraded, one of the drives we missing. |
| 06:15.11 | Toba | It's really the worst when you have a RAID but have not been properly monitoring it |
| 06:15.25 | Toba | and a preventable situation becomes worse because you didn't know |
| 06:15.30 | Toba | it's bit me in the past also :( |
| 06:15.58 | jmcnaught | it turns out that i had mistakenly not plugged in the power for the second drive in my haste. once i did, the same thing happened in the new machine (no grub after POST). In the end we replaced that drive, but we never got around to figuring out why it stopped the systems from booting when it was present |
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| 06:16.36 | Toba | at least some types of softraid will not automatically rebuild if it has ever been running without one of the drives, I think? |
| 06:16.45 | Toba | because it's not sure which one is "right" |
| 06:17.08 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 06:17.23 | Toba | sup |
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| 06:17.46 | jmcnaught | well i was jus tthe manual labour in this situation, someone at the office handled repairing the raid array with the new disk |
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| 06:30.15 | dAnjou | i'm pretty sure that the disks are alright |
| 06:30.29 | dAnjou | in my case |
| 06:30.53 | dAnjou | it's just that something during the boot process doesn't find the raid |
| 06:31.13 | dAnjou | and i'm too dumb to know how it's all working |
| 06:31.50 | dAnjou | and by now i'm too hungry, thirsty and tired to really come up with something |
| 06:32.58 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: if you can take a break for a bit to get eat something you might be more productive coming at it with a fresh head |
| 06:33.16 | dAnjou | i guess so |
| 06:33.30 | dAnjou | i finally reached a collegue, he's on the way |
| 06:33.40 | dAnjou | then i can get some food i guess |
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| 06:35.43 | jmcnaught | dAnjou: if you can access the filesystem on the array from a live disk, you could chroot into it and make sure that the lvm2 package is present. maybe something was changed from defaults in /etc/initramfs-tools... maybe running update-initramfs will help or at least provide some clues |
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| 06:37.19 | dAnjou | i don't know how to mount that thing |
| 06:37.50 | jmcnaught | does mdadm list it in the live environment? |
| 06:38.12 | dAnjou | what's the command? |
| 06:39.05 | Toba | cat /etc/mdstat |
| 06:39.11 | Toba | er, /proc/mdstat |
| 06:39.39 | dAnjou | Toba: i'm in the live system |
| 06:39.42 | Toba | oh, sorry |
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| 06:42.00 | jmcnaught | there's nothing in /proc/mdstat? does "mdadm --scan" show anything? |
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| 06:43.32 | dAnjou | --scan does not set the mode, and so cannot be the first option |
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| 06:44.26 | remmona_dash | I am on a 64bit debian system |
| 06:44.56 | remmona_dash | Linux solydxk 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 06:45.41 | remmona_dash | but trying to install nvidia-binary *apt-get install nvidia-driver* will pull all i386 stuff. why? |
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| 06:49.23 | jmcnaught | remmona_dash: probably because the nvidia-driver package recommends the libgl1-nvidia-glx-i386 package is my guess (from what i gleaned from "apt-cache show nvidia-driver") |
| 06:49.57 | remmona_dash | jmcnaught: anyway to get all the dep in 64bit pure? |
| 06:51.12 | jmcnaught | remmona_dash: apt-get has a "--no-install-recommends" option, i don't know why this package recommends that package but presumably it's for a feature that most people want |
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| 06:57.57 | Dewi | does anyone know of a simple preconfigured system to monitor/notify system health remotely? disk, RAM, loadavg, and preferably easy to add DB slow-queries, security updates applied, host IDS status, etc? |
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| 06:59.37 | Dewi | I realize there's heaps in that space, but anything simple an amateur can throw on a VPS? |
| 06:59.39 | well_laid_lawn | where is the simple in all that ? |
| 07:00.48 | well_laid_lawn | all that won't be in one program |
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| 07:01.54 | Dewi | maybe not, but why not? |
| 07:02.49 | well_laid_lawn | well there's different data bases, ids's etc |
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| 07:03.55 | well_laid_lawn | shouldn't be hard to script something if you know your system |
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| 07:04.35 | jmcnaught | Dewi: Nagios is very popular. A lot of what you want would be supported by these plugins: https://www.monitoring-plugins.org/index.html which are supported by Nagios and other monitoring systems, you could compare some of the compatible projects, pick one that you like |
| 07:05.25 | Dewi | jmcnaught: does nagios handle remote? |
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| 07:05.42 | Dewi | (or is there an obvious component people use to make it remote) |
| 07:06.45 | jmcnaught | Dewi: yeah check it out. It's a little older and does require some setup. There's a bunch of others that also monitor a bunch of systems from a centralized interface |
| 07:07.10 | jmcnaught | they'll also do things like alerts by email, text, irc etc |
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| 07:09.03 | jmcnaught | Dewi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_network_monitoring_systems sort the table by license. Wikipedia has tonnes of these comparison pages for different types of software |
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| 07:26.04 | dAnjou | isn't icinga2 the newer, better nagios? |
| 07:26.34 | dAnjou | at least that's what our former sysadmin installed |
| 07:27.37 | Toba | that's the word on the street.. |
| 07:27.41 | Toba | or at least an alley... |
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| 07:28.59 | Dewi | nods, I saw that one around |
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| 07:42.33 | dcrouch | dAnjou, Have you heard of Zabbix? |
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| 07:43.42 | kline | whats the current ffmpeg/libav shenanigans status? |
| 07:44.06 | kline | is libav still a "drop in" replacement for ffmpeg on jessie? |
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| 07:46.15 | kline | mainly i just want to build nginx + rtmp as per https://wiki.debian.org/DhyanNataraj/RtmpVideoStreamingViaNginx but right now im not sure how to fulfil "ffmpeg" as an apt package |
| 07:46.45 | themill | depends what you mean by "drop in" given that neither has a particularly stable interface. |
| 07:47.05 | TomTomTosch | ffmpeg is in jessie-backports |
| 07:47.19 | themill | In any case, ffmpeg will be the provider of libav* stuff in stretch and is already in jessie-backports so if you're starting new projects, it might be better to go with that |
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| 07:48.18 | themill | but yeah, who knows what that guide is actually using the ffmpeg package for |
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| 07:48.33 | kline | ace, backports it is |
| 07:48.54 | kline | thanks |
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| 08:04.07 | bertro | Is there some kind of convention to what a package contains, for example libs contain .so, -dev contain headers, -doc contain, and so on |
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| 08:07.06 | themill | bertro: yes |
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| 08:11.38 | bertro | themill: could you elaborate further, is that the case with all, and are there other "unsaid conventions"? |
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| 08:14.11 | themill | -common -tools/-utils -perl python- ruby- live- -java -- there are lots |
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| 08:14.58 | bertro | which is for what? |
| 08:15.21 | bertro | including -doc |
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| 08:15.58 | bertro | the language connected likely are for things written in that language, or c/c++ bindings |
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| 08:19.10 | bertro | and -data, -dbg |
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| 08:19.41 | themill | Yes, there are lots. All packages have descriptions that explain what is in them. |
| 08:19.53 | dcrouch | Just installed Debian on a Raid 1 configuration. I have /boot in a separate partition, but for some reason it's not booting into the OS. I booted into a live CD chrooted and re-installed grub to /dev/sda. Still not allowing me to boot in. Any ideas? |
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| 08:30.36 | Vladimirski | If I want to try a SSL certificate, do I have to configure the DNS somehow or is it possible without it? |
| 08:31.01 | Vladimirski | since the certificate is set for a specific domain like *.domain.com |
| 08:31.15 | Vladimirski | or can I just try with the ip address? |
| 08:31.20 | nkuttler | well you can use a self signed cert if you want |
| 08:31.35 | bezaban | you can issue self signed certificates for ip addresses, but public CAs will no longer issue them |
| 08:31.39 | grawity | Vladimirski: the browser will naturally show an error message if you try to use a name that's not on the certificate |
| 08:31.43 | Vladimirski | well I have bought a certificate and I want to check that it works properly |
| 08:31.46 | grawity | Vladimirski: but for local testing you can use /etc/hosts |
| 08:32.13 | Vladimirski | so I can configure the /etc/hosts with the domain.com name ? |
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| 08:32.58 | Vladimirski | I just want to test that i automatically get redirected to 443 when accessing the site by just entering domain.com |
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| 08:34.24 | Vladimirski | instead of having to confirm the certificate |
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| 08:42.07 | Amun_Ra | Vladimirski: you can check it with curl - connect to ip and you have to add Host header |
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| 08:43.36 | Amun_Ra | Vladimirski: i.e. curl -I -H 'Host: example.com' 1.2.3.4 |
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| 08:50.10 | yeehi | what is the name of the partition manager in Stretch? (KDE) There is no partitionmanager package |
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| 08:51.37 | TomTomTosch | gparted has just about the same functionality. |
| 08:52.20 | yeehi | TomTomTosch, thanks, but there is usually a Qt version of gparted |
| 08:52.36 | yeehi | i believe the package used to be partitionmanager |
| 08:52.47 | Vladimirski | Amun_Ra: oh cool, you mean to use the curl command to connect the domainname.com and the IP address. Instead of reconfiguring the DNS server? |
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| 08:57.27 | Amun_Ra | Vladimirski: yes, you can test that w/o having set respective ns a record |
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| 08:58.17 | grawity | that'll verify the *redirection*, yes, but it won't work as a check for the *certificate* |
| 08:58.21 | Vladimirski | That's great, had no idea one could do that =) thanks Amun_Ra |
| 08:58.27 | TomTomTosch | yeehi, well, there is kvpm which is a kde-gui for lvm and libparted. |
| 08:58.30 | Amun_Ra | no worries |
| 08:58.32 | Vladimirski | grawity: why not? |
| 08:58.42 | grawity | because curl always verifies the certificate against the URL |
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| 08:59.30 | Amun_Ra | yes, this is for checking if redirection works or not |
| 08:59.30 | JyZyXEL | what is the current kernel package for squeeze? |
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| 09:02.04 | yeehi | kvpm is it! Thank you very much, TomTomTosch. The program crashed, when launched from the command line. The following fixes the problem: export $(dbus-launch) |
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| 09:02.52 | Vladimirski | Is there a general way to verify the certificate? |
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| 09:05.07 | Vladimirski | grawity: but if the redirection works than it means that it has found the certificate in the signed certificates list right? |
| 09:05.11 | grawity | no |
| 09:05.33 | grawity | it just means the HTTP webserver is telling you "hey, use this HTTPS URL instead" |
| 09:05.43 | grawity | but the certificate isn't involved in any of that |
| 09:06.10 | Vladimirski | oh okey, so I have to setup the DNS in order to really test the certificate? |
| 09:06.10 | grawity | the certificate is used only when you actually try to access that HTTPS URL |
| 09:06.14 | grawity | or /etc/hosts |
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| 09:08.29 | Vladimirski | hmm okey |
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| 09:10.49 | JyZyXEL | how do i check if my current kernel has DKMS modules loaded? |
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| 09:12.31 | grawity | JyZyXEL: lsmod, and look for the specific module that you want |
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| 09:13.05 | JyZyXEL | grawity: what is the module name for xtables-addons? |
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| 09:14.08 | JyZyXEL | what directory are the dkms modules put in? |
| 09:14.09 | jelly | JyZyXEL: did xtables even have dkms integration in squeeze at all? |
| 09:14.10 | grawity | a bunch – xt_geoip, xt_iface, xt_ECHO, it seems |
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| 09:14.30 | grawity | look for the one you're planning to use! |
| 09:14.31 | JyZyXEL | jelly: it does on wheezy for 3.2.0 at least |
| 09:14.43 | JyZyXEL | of course it doesn't work for the 3.16 BPO kernel |
| 09:14.44 | grawity | note that many of those modules are autoloaded only when they're first used |
| 09:14.51 | jelly | but you're asking about squeeze |
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| 09:14.59 | jelly | ,v xtables-addons-dkms |
| 09:15.00 | judd | Package: xtables-addons-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.42-2; jessie: 2.6-1; stretch: 2.10-1; sid: 2.10-1 |
| 09:15.03 | JyZyXEL | i just remembered wrong |
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| 09:15.16 | JyZyXEL | wheezy = 7.x, not squeeze |
| 09:15.26 | jelly | ok |
| 09:15.27 | JyZyXEL | this was news to me 10 minutes ago :D |
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| 09:16.06 | JyZyXEL | maybe i should watch toy story just to remember the codenames better |
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| 09:16.21 | Sepehr_ | Hi |
| 09:16.26 | jelly | JyZyXEL: or /msg dpkg release history |
| 09:16.41 | JyZyXEL | currently its running 3.14 bpo kernel so i guess i can just assume im not running xtables-addons dkms |
| 09:16.52 | JyZyXEL | would be nice to make sure though... |
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| 09:17.19 | themill | « for i in $(lsmod | cut -f1 -d\ ); do modinfo $i | grep ^filename.*dkms; done» |
| 09:17.23 | themill | hides |
| 09:17.29 | JyZyXEL | ah yes, "locate dkms" confirms |
| 09:17.33 | Sepehr_ | my wireless usb doesn't work in debian |
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| 09:17.42 | JyZyXEL | only saw modules under the 3.2.0 kernel, like expected |
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| 09:18.30 | JyZyXEL | might be a time for reboot: 11:18:05 up 442 days, 21:57, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.08, 0.12 |
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| 09:18.41 | Sepehr_ | How do i install a driver for a wireless usb adapter |
| 09:18.42 | Sepehr_ | ?? |
| 09:19.07 | Sepehr_ | my headphone can't work |
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| 09:19.50 | JyZyXEL | after the libc fiasco, it's better probably to reboot everything anyways? |
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| 09:20.32 | JyZyXEL | though shouldn't debian-security have alerted us if that was the case? |
| 09:21.13 | jelly | what fiasco? |
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| 09:21.29 | themill | JyZyXEL: what sort of notification would you like to see? |
| 09:21.45 | hiya | why is debian using defective OpenVPN? |
| 09:21.51 | JyZyXEL | themill: email should do? |
| 09:21.51 | hiya | use 2.3.5+ |
| 09:22.10 | JyZyXEL | just like when certificates get an upgrade and you get email about it |
| 09:22.11 | themill | JyZyXEL: from your machine? |
| 09:22.15 | grawity | hiya: defective meaning? |
| 09:22.25 | themill | JyZyXEL: the DSA contained that information. |
| 09:22.57 | JyZyXEL | themill: yeah the DSA that i didn't read because nobody told me about it :P |
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| 09:23.08 | themill | yeah, so umm. |
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| 09:23.29 | themill | Not much can be done to alert users who don't want to be alerted. |
| 09:23.36 | JyZyXEL | i trust unattended-upgrades to keep my system updated and i assume it will email me when there is need for action |
| 09:24.01 | JyZyXEL | i do get email alerts about certificates and PHP upgrades and such |
| 09:24.03 | themill | you might like to look at needrestart |
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| 09:24.40 | gargaml | Hi, I upgraded my system a few days ago but since boot fails after "loading initial ramdisk" |
| 09:24.43 | JyZyXEL | oh my god, why isn't that installed by default?? |
| 09:24.52 | JyZyXEL | with unattended-upgrades |
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| 09:24.59 | themill | lots of useful things aren't installed by default |
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| 09:25.46 | gargaml | does anyone have an idea about this behavior ? |
| 09:26.04 | gargaml | it's a bit like if the system forgot that my partition are encrypted… |
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| 09:26.26 | gargaml | s/are/is |
| 09:26.41 | gargaml | I used the debian installer to perform the encryption |
| 09:28.48 | hiya | grawity, OpenVPN 2.3.4 do not work with TLS 1.2 enforced |
| 09:30.18 | Sepehr_ | my usb wireless doesn't work, |
| 09:30.33 | jelly | hiya: please check the bug tracking system to see if that's already been reported. bugs.debian.org/openvpn |
| 09:31.15 | Sepehr_ | How do i install a driver for a wireless usb adapter |
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| 09:33.03 | jelly | hiya: if not, can you please file a bug report? |
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| 09:33.14 | jelly | dpkg, tell hiya about reportbug |
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| 09:33.41 | jelly | Sepehr_: a wifi card? |
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| 09:34.25 | jelly | Sepehr_: can you show the line from lsusb output matching your device, after it's been plugged in/ |
| 09:34.40 | hiya | jelly, I don't know how to but i would learn and do it thanks |
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| 09:41.10 | gargaml | is it possible that grub configuration differs from previous kernel after last updates ? |
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| 09:42.33 | nkuttler | gargaml: of crouse, new kernels are added |
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| 09:45.24 | gargaml | nkuttler: yes, I agree. I'm just looking for differences between new kernel and the previous one |
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| 09:45.41 | gargaml | because with the new one I'm stuck at "loading initial ramdisk" |
| 09:46.01 | gargaml | I use the uefi by the way |
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| 09:47.16 | Vladimirski | grawity: so the system first looks in the /etc/hosts file before checking the DNS? |
| 09:47.28 | grawity | Vladimirski: yes, according to the "hosts:" line in your /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 09:48.16 | Vladimirski | Okelidokeli =) |
| 09:48.18 | Vladimirski | thanks grawity |
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| 09:49.59 | yalkea | l |
| 09:50.21 | yalkea | Hello. Have Debian server. Does apt-get install verify package downloads with PGP signature? |
| 09:50.42 | yalkea | Or do I need to configure it to secure download and verify integrity? |
| 09:50.59 | der_gabe | yalkea: AFAIK it does so automatically and by default. |
| 09:51.20 | yalkea | So automatically and default from barebone installation? |
| 09:51.59 | der_gabe | yalkea: Yes. If APT cannot verify the package signature after download it will warn you and ask you if you want to continue installing. |
| 09:52.13 | yalkea | Okay. |
| 09:52.16 | yalkea | Thank you. |
| 09:52.22 | der_gabe | yalkea: np |
| 09:53.16 | der_gabe | yalkea: BTW, if that ever happens to you, it might just be that your package cache is out of date. Run 'apt-get update' in that case, before installing new packages. |
| 09:55.15 | der_gabe | Is there any way to update an LXC container that has no network configured? |
| 09:55.37 | yalkea | Are all packages like that or do some not have signature verification? |
| 09:55.49 | yalkea | im worried about MITM attack |
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| 09:57.00 | der_gabe | yalkea: To my knowledge, all packages in the official Debian repos (including all of their mirrors, of course) are always signed. |
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| 09:57.41 | der_gabe | yalkea: I don't know about third-party repos. There are some that have their own signing keys which you have to add to your keyring if you want to use them. |
| 09:57.47 | der_gabe | yalkea: But I don't knoe |
| 09:58.15 | der_gabe | yalkea: (sorry, mistyped 'enter') I don't know if signing is even mandatory for third-party repos. |
| 09:59.12 | yalkea | but debian repos safe? |
| 10:00.01 | TomTomTosch | that's a different question that mitm ;S |
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| 10:01.31 | yalkea | But package verification via PGP sigs should protect from MITM manipulating updates |
| 10:02.12 | TomTomTosch | s/that/than |
| 10:02.46 | der_gabe | yalkea: Yes, provided your PITM has not gained access to one of the signing keys, somehow. |
| 10:02.53 | TomTomTosch | yalkea, mitm should not be an issue here. |
| 10:03.01 | der_gabe | yalkea: Which is extremely unlikely, IMHO. |
| 10:03.28 | themill | !secure apt |
| 10:03.28 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. The archive signing key can be found at https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html . See also <key>, <no public key>. |
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| 10:04.46 | Twinkletoes | Using proftpd I'm suffering from the ssl handshake delay which is meant to be fixed in proftpd 1.3.5a or 1.3.6, but neither of these are available in the repos for Jessie. IS there any way around this issue? |
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| 10:05.16 | sedulous | Is there something like `apt-file` except to search for hashes? |
| 10:05.17 | Iridos | judd, versions proftpd |
| 10:05.18 | judd | No package named 'proftpd' was found in amd64. |
| 10:05.31 | Iridos | grr |
| 10:05.49 | Iridos | judd, versions proftpd-basic |
| 10:05.50 | judd | Package: proftpd-basic on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.3.3a-6squeeze7; squeeze: 1.3.3a-6squeeze7; wheezy-security: 1.3.4a-5+deb7u3; wheezy: 1.3.4a-5+deb7u3; jessie: 1.3.5-1.1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.3.5-1.1+deb8u1; stretch: 1.3.5a-1; sid: 1.3.5a-1 |
| 10:06.17 | Twinkletoes | hmm |
| 10:06.58 | Iridos | doesn't look like anyone built a version > 1.3.5 yet |
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| 10:07.10 | Twinkletoes | Iridos: so Iridos I think 1.3.5a has the fix |
| 10:07.19 | TomTomTosch | , checkbackport proftpd-basic |
| 10:07.20 | judd | Backporting package proftpd-basic in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual. |
| 10:07.24 | TomTomTosch | :) |
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| 10:07.37 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Twinkletoes about ssb |
| 10:07.50 | Twinkletoes | I must say I've never used backports before, but am reading http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index2h2 right now |
| 10:07.53 | Iridos | Twinkletoes, backport it yourself. look at the message from dpkg |
| 10:08.16 | Twinkletoes | Iridos: ok ;) |
| 10:09.05 | Iridos | Twinkletoes, guess you can add a deb-src line for stretch instead of for sid |
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| 10:11.14 | Iridos | not much difference in this case. may be better/safer in some other cases |
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| 10:11.27 | Twinkletoes | Iridos: am attempting now ;) |
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| 10:15.16 | Twinkletoes | Iridos: Trying to follow dpkg instructions... I might be a bit slow, but I don't understand all of it... |
| 10:15.28 | MaBunny | anybody with the name of xing here? |
| 10:15.47 | Twinkletoes | Iridos: "First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: ...". Well, it seemed that there *was* a backport available, right? |
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| 10:16.10 | Iridos | Twinkletoes, we already did that here ... and there is none, so you have to backport yourself |
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| 10:16.29 | Twinkletoes | Iridos: Ok, I'll follow more instructions then :) |
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| 10:26.27 | flashdel | hi folks, i got a question regarding the glibc security issue: Do i really have to restart my server after upgrading? I got several server which are a single point of failure :-S |
| 10:26.35 | Twinkletoes | Part of dpkg instructions said to "enable debian backports". Well, I've installed the sid, ran aptitude update and can see it's parsed it, but aptitude search proftpd doesn't show the newer proftpd version |
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| 10:26.49 | Twinkletoes | s/show/search |
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| 10:34.14 | TomTomTosch | Twinkletoes, dpkg -l <package> does not show the new version? |
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| 10:36.13 | TomTomTosch | Twinkletoes, after you installed the resulting .deb that is. |
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| 10:53.50 | marlinc | Which package contains the 'last' command? |
| 10:56.27 | Iridos | Twinkletoes, if you followed the instruction proftp-......deb will be in the directory. There is no repository with your self-built .deb, so apt doesn't know about it until you installed it that is " 4) install the resultant debs" |
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| 10:58.14 | anddam | while replying to a bug on bugs.debian.org am I supposed to fill in the subject line or can I leave it empty (as the composing window popped out) and the system will fill it in? |
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| 11:03.26 | peterS | marlinc: util-linux |
| 11:03.34 | peterS | ('dpkg -S bin/last') |
| 11:03.46 | marlinc | Yea I'm sorry |
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| 11:03.51 | marlinc | I just found it it was sysvinit-utils |
| 11:05.06 | der_gabe | Is there any way to update an LXC container that has no network configured? |
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| 11:05.39 | der_gabe | I just set up my first LXC container on jessie, following the Debian Wiki, and it has no network yet... |
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| 11:06.11 | der_gabe | ... and basically won't need it for what I want to do with it. Except for updates. Hence the question. |
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| 11:10.19 | der_gabe | I thought, maybe with a bind mount the LXC container could at least see the available package lists |
| 11:10.33 | der_gabe | But what would I have to mount where? |
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| 11:11.27 | der_gabe | And how would I get the host to download packages the LXC container wants (but not install the on the host)? And where would they get stored? |
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| 11:13.38 | Brigo | der_gabe, you have to put the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives or give network connection to the container. |
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| 11:15.02 | der_gabe | Brigo: So that's '/var/cache/apt/archives' inside the container, right? If there's a package 'foo.deb' there, will 'apt-get install foo' inside the container then work? |
| 11:15.20 | Brigo | der_gabe, yes. |
| 11:15.34 | Brigo | you can share that dir. |
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| 11:15.59 | der_gabe | Brigo: Alright. Thanks! |
| 11:16.05 | Brigo | der_gabe, np :) |
| 11:16.47 | der_gabe | How do I tell apt-get/aptitude _on_the_host_ to download but not install a given package so it will be stored in /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 11:17.18 | Brigo | apt-get package -d will download only the package. I don't know about aptitude. |
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| 11:21.26 | der_gabe | Brigo: OK, great, that will do. Thanks again! |
| 11:22.38 | Brigo | der_gabe, np, again :) |
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| 11:35.45 | spleen | Hello |
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| 11:36.04 | spleen | can i remove the /var/cache dir in a production machine ? |
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| 11:37.00 | Ghostbird | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-5.5.html |
| 11:37.43 | Ghostbird | The first few lines clearly explain it. |
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| 11:39.59 | themill | spleen: you can, but you're probably going to want it back |
| 11:42.04 | jelly | spleen: no, but you can make sure no services are using files from there, then remove just the files. You shouldn't remove any directory structure. |
| 11:42.34 | jelly | and then there's stuff like debconf |
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| 12:01.36 | James123 | Does anyone know a way to uncompress an .img file? |
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| 12:02.00 | grawity | depends on what kind of .img file it is |
| 12:02.10 | grawity | if it's just a raw filesystem image, `mount -o loop` it somewhere |
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| 12:02.46 | spleen | jelly, you mean i could do that : cd /var/cache/ && find ./ -type f -exec rm {} \; |
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| 12:08.18 | MaBunny | hey guys im currently on a linux disttro and |
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| 12:08.31 | MaBunny | i want to install debian on a usb stick |
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| 12:08.39 | MaBunny | can you guys help me? |
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| 12:09.20 | markybob | MaBunny: you just download the iso and cp image.iso /dev/sdX (note not sdX1, but sdX) |
| 12:10.00 | MaBunny | no i hav the iso image (netinst) |
| 12:10.07 | themill | MaBunny: install it onto a usb stick or install it from a usb stick? |
| 12:10.20 | MaBunny | i wanna kno how to install tht iso on a usb |
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| 12:11.29 | MaBunny | guys? |
| 12:11.44 | NickCao | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:12.11 | themill | MaBunny: it's just like installing it on any other disk. |
| 12:12.14 | markybob | NickCao: stretch support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
| 12:12.17 | NickCao | It can't recognize my wireless card |
| 12:12.27 | markybob | NickCao: you need to use the firmware installer |
| 12:12.34 | markybob | NickCao: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 12:12.58 | NickCao | Ok |
| 12:13.03 | MaBunny | but is there any installer for linux for iso images? |
| 12:13.05 | NickCao | I will ray |
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| 12:13.13 | NickCao | Try |
| 12:13.18 | markybob | MaBunny: it's cp like i said |
| 12:13.26 | markybob | MaBunny: http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 12:13.43 | der_gabe | MaBunny: The ISO images are bootable from USB as well |
| 12:13.46 | MaBunny | okthnx |
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| 12:24.32 | MaBunny | hey guys i am having a problem |
| 12:25.01 | MaBunny | when i type cp debian.iso /dev/sdb1 the console doesnt do anything |
| 12:25.17 | MaBunny | should it be sdb1 or just sdb? |
| 12:25.26 | der_gabe | MaBunny: Do you get an error message? |
| 12:25.39 | MaBunny | no |
| 12:25.44 | markybob | MaBunny: no. like i said and the doc i linked you to, just sdb |
| 12:25.48 | MaBunny | nothing at all |
| 12:25.56 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 12:26.05 | markybob | MaBunny: please read the doc |
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| 12:26.15 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 12:42.21 | MaBunny | ok guys i managed installing debian |
| 12:42.31 | MaBunny | but i hav a question |
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| 12:43.00 | MaBunny | how do i kno the system architecture of my current computer? |
| 12:43.31 | namespace | MaBunny: uname -a |
| 12:43.48 | MaBunny | i am guessing its amd,but i want to be sure |
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| 12:44.06 | markybob | MaBunny: it is if the iso i linked you to worked |
| 12:44.43 | lelouch_ | clear |
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| 12:44.59 | markybob | MaBunny: cat /proc/cpuinfo will give you more info if you want |
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| 12:45.47 | MaBunny | its based on ubuntu by the way |
| 12:45.48 | MaBunny | markybob: you there pal? |
| 12:45.58 | markybob | wtf |
| 12:46.05 | markybob | debian is not based on ubuntu |
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| 12:46.36 | MaBunny | no i kno debian is not based on ubuntu ,but im talking of my own system |
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| 12:46.56 | markybob | MaBunny: so you didn't use the installer i linked you to and you didn't install debian as you just said |
| 12:47.03 | markybob | MaBunny: so you unsupported and offtopic |
| 12:47.07 | markybob | !based on debian |
| 12:47.07 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 12:48.03 | MaBunny | sorry if im rude but i didnt want to sound offensive :( |
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| 12:48.12 | MaBunny | but thnx for the help |
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| 12:50.45 | MaBunny | and yes i just checked i installed the wrong architecture of debian,ie,i downloaded arm and my computer is intel |
| 12:51.16 | themill | I think you're using "installed" in an odd way. |
| 12:51.38 | markybob | nor do i have any fucking idea if he's actually installing debian. he goes back and forth |
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| 12:51.59 | markybob | now it's debian again |
| 12:52.11 | MaBunny | i will download after i get a netcard in my sim,but thnx for showing me the way markybob |
| 12:52.33 | themill | I think it's debian installer copied on to medium (not installed) within some other linux |
| 12:54.16 | msn | how can i configure timezone without using dpkg-reconfigure tzdata I want to setup timezone during fai |
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| 12:56.15 | themill | msn: you should be able to preseed the answer either into the installer or into debconf. (You could also use dpkg-reconfigure and see what it changes) |
| 12:57.03 | themill | msn: it's just /etc/localtime and /etc/timezone |
| 12:57.04 | relaxed | I think it's just a link, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 Feb 1 08:27 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York |
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| 12:58.09 | themill | it's the file on all my systems but perhaps that's different for upgrades vs new installations |
| 12:58.29 | Eldereliable | hi, how can i strip my debian linux distro to clean in basic? |
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| 12:59.41 | bazhang | Eldereliable, did you net install |
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| 13:00.03 | Eldereliable | bazhang, no |
| 13:00.36 | bazhang | Eldereliable, the best way to have a very minimal install is that |
| 13:00.38 | markybob | Eldereliable: there's no real way to do that. |
| 13:01.01 | markybob | Eldereliable: like bazhang said, netinst is the way to have a basic system. then you apt-get from there |
| 13:01.12 | Eldereliable | ok, |
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| 13:01.15 | Eldereliable | thnx, |
| 13:01.23 | bazhang | npx |
| 13:01.37 | themill | err... the installer is identical |
| 13:02.19 | markybob | if he's asking to go back to basic i assuming he chose to install things maybe even DE |
| 13:02.31 | markybob | that's not an unreasonable assumption |
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| 13:03.30 | themill | that doesn't change the fact that saying you should use the netinst image rather than some other image is incorrect. The installer is identical. |
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| 13:04.09 | markybob | themill: no, it's not. on can be a dvd and the other is less than 250mb. |
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| 13:04.22 | themill | and the installer is identical. |
| 13:04.24 | markybob | themill: you seem to have a stick up your ass today |
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| 13:05.07 | themill | That there are packages in a cache on the image rather than on a network server is not relevant to the package selectino. |
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| 13:15.37 | folivora | I am trying to get my 32" 4K monitor to work properly. With Nvidia GTX660 + DP 1.2. I get th 60Hz full resolution BUT monitor is splitted in two "virtual" monitors. Any tips n tricks t oget full resolution out and not just 2 x 1920 x 2160 . |
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| 13:17.09 | debbian | hello, i would like to override my DSDT buggy table with the repaird/fixed one |
| 13:17.18 | debbian | I read I can do it by aappending acpi /boot/dsdt.aml to /etc/default/grub.cfg |
| 13:17.28 | debbian | but when i reboot i find a message in the kernel logs that says: malformed early option acpi |
| 13:17.28 | debbian | any advice? is it written correctly? thank you all |
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| 13:23.55 | Siema | Has anyone encountered an error "Failed to execute operation: Too many levels of symbolic links" when enabling a service in systemd? |
| 13:24.03 | Siema | Long story: |
| 13:24.36 | Siema | Installed Debian sid through debootstrap in vbox, all lastest packages, system did boot up and trying to set up sshd. |
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| 13:25.05 | Siema | It starts fine when I start it manually, but can't enable it. |
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| 13:35.14 | anddam | Siema: that wasn't very long |
| 13:35.34 | anddam | Siema: the real point is that it's not clear |
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| 13:36.18 | Siema | Yeah, come to think of it, I don't know what other info might be relevant... |
| 13:36.41 | Ghostbird | Siema: systemctl enable ssh |
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| 13:36.50 | Ghostbird | That ought to work. |
| 13:36.58 | Siema | That's precisely what generated that error |
| 13:37.16 | Ghostbird | Ah, sorry, didn't scroll up that far. Weird. |
| 13:37.44 | Siema | Checked the unit file, it's not a symlink to anyhting. |
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| 13:38.47 | anddam | Siema: the relevant info would be what commands you actually ran and what output/log did you get |
| 13:39.02 | Siema | I installed only the base system, without the standard group. |
| 13:39.09 | Siema | And the log: |
| 13:39.14 | Siema | root@siemas-vbox:/home/siema# systemctl enable sshd |
| 13:39.15 | Siema | Failed to execute operation: Too many levels of symbolic links |
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| 13:39.28 | anddam | that's the output, not the log, but it's saying something already |
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| 13:39.44 | Siema | Yeah, my bad, sorry. And that's pretty much all of it. |
| 13:39.53 | Ghostbird | Eh, the service is called ssh for me. Not sshd I think. |
| 13:40.09 | bezaban | yep |
| 13:40.32 | anddam | I have sshd.service and ssh.service |
| 13:40.55 | anddam | Siema: check the log with journalctl |
| 13:40.58 | multi-nix | on here "sudo service ssh status" works ! |
| 13:41.14 | anddam | multi-nix: Old Sk00l |
| 13:41.22 | Siema | "systemctl start sshd" started the service normally. That's how I connected to the VM to copy the output. |
| 13:41.37 | multi-nix | anddam, yep - lol |
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| 13:42.16 | Siema | "journalctl -u sshd" -> no entries |
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| 13:43.21 | anddam | Siema: is that being run as superuser? |
| 13:43.33 | Siema | Yes, all of it |
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| 13:44.27 | Siema | Buuuuuuut, now that you mentioned the ssh service...... https://pastebin.com/VAi5NDGB |
| 13:45.33 | Siema | "systemctl enable ssh" worked, thanks for the guidance! |
| 13:45.59 | Siema | But I wonder why did they put that symlink in etc |
| 13:46.25 | ntz | hmm ... reading this https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration but can't find, how do I set from etc/network/interfaces secondary addresses per iface |
| 13:47.13 | ntz | eg in el or suse you can do in ifcfg-$iface IPADDR_A, NETMASK_A and so on |
| 13:47.48 | ntz | so can anybody show me an example how do I set more addresses for given iface ? |
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| 13:55.39 | grawity | just have multiple "iface eth0 inet static" sections |
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| 13:59.04 | grawity | ntz: e.g. something like http://sprunge.us/Ncdj |
| 14:00.05 | ntz | grawity: you mean that obsolete mid 90's ifconfig eth0:1 a.b.c.d way ? |
| 14:00.11 | grawity | ntz: no |
| 14:00.20 | ntz | it works like this |
| 14:00.32 | ntz | it will create eth0.x for your second address |
| 14:00.49 | ntz | using exactly this, or am I wrong ? |
| 14:00.58 | grawity | it's :x (dot is usually used for VLANs) |
| 14:01.03 | grawity | and no, that's not at all what I meant. |
| 14:01.05 | ntz | wait, I see now |
| 14:01.09 | grawity | as you said, that's the "obsolete mid 90's way" |
| 14:01.17 | ntz | sorry, you have there second `` |
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| 14:01.20 | ntz | iface eth0 inet static'' |
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| 14:01.30 | grawity | yes |
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| 14:01.39 | grawity | and it just adds all of those on the same eth0 interface |
| 14:01.43 | ntz | grawity: thanks, it seems good, sorry, I overlooked that part and was attracted by your eth0.20 |
| 14:01.49 | grawity | that's tagged VLAN 20 |
| 14:01.58 | ntz | yeah, I realize that |
| 14:02.03 | grawity | though, I've not tested this on Debian stable – this thing runs testing |
| 14:02.22 | ntz | I have here 6.0.10 (bit old, I know) |
| 14:02.33 | grawity | that's ... old, yeah |
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| 14:03.14 | grawity | but not too old |
| 14:03.51 | ntz | it reached EOL afaik |
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| 14:17.47 | slavanap | Hello, guys. I have issues with gdm3, xfce4 (+ xfswitch-plugin) and x11vnc. When I switch user while using VNC I can't reconnect to VNC till I restart both gdm3 & x11vnc. |
| 14:18.36 | slavanap | How should I properly install Windows RDP like VNC session in debian, thus if I disconnect, session will be locked and keep running programs I started? |
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| 14:34.55 | lluis | hello |
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| 14:36.03 | lluis | how can i list all word that start with for example "log " (note the space before g letter) |
| 14:36.27 | ntz | lluis: after, right ? |
| 14:36.35 | lluis | when there is no space i know how to do it with * but in this case i dont know how to do it |
| 14:36.41 | blind | files you mean? |
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| 14:36.44 | ntz | grep ^log\ /file |
| 14:36.46 | lluis | ntz, sorry after yes |
| 14:36.54 | lluis | blind, yes files |
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| 14:37.15 | blind | use quotes, or escape the space. ls "log "* or ls log\ * |
| 14:37.27 | ntz | it is ^log and not log |
| 14:37.32 | blind | (note you want the * outside of the quotes so it works) |
| 14:37.37 | ntz | "^" marks the line start |
| 14:37.43 | blind | ntz: we're not using grep though..... |
| 14:37.56 | blind | they're looking for a glob |
| 14:38.24 | lluis | i want to show for example "log a" "log b" .. |
| 14:38.48 | ntz | find /somewhere -type f -name "log *" |
| 14:38.51 | ntz | in case of files |
| 14:40.11 | lluis | exactly what i want to do it move all files that start with "log " |
| 14:40.13 | dagerik | the clock on my wheezy is off by 4 minutes. even if ntp service is running. how can I prevent this |
| 14:40.38 | lluis | ntz, your command worked but how i pass the results to mv command? |
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| 14:41.28 | ntz | lluis: you can use -exec, eg: find $some_opts -exec rsync -av --progress {} /some/destdir \; |
| 14:41.53 | ntz | in that case you have to quote your {} |
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| 14:42.28 | dagerik | our ntp server might be giving off wrong time. 129.241.0.99 how can this be checked? |
| 14:43.12 | panos_ | i have a problem in terminal with greek characters it shows ???? how can i fix it? |
| 14:43.14 | blind | mv "log "* /some/other/place/ |
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| 14:43.43 | lluis | blind, that doesnt work |
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| 14:44.30 | john1024_ | Okay, if I have a process running on terminal, do Ctrl-Z and bg, output of this process keeps showing in my terminal. Can I do `bg' and suppress stdout/stderr? |
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| 14:45.20 | blind | Sure it does: http://sprunge.us/OEYU |
| 14:46.10 | lluis | blind, ups i've put * before " |
| 14:46.30 | lluis | blind, now it works thanks :) |
| 14:46.50 | lluis | ntz, i didnt understand your command but blind solved the problem thank you anyways |
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| 14:47.35 | blind | john1024_: you'd have to suppress the output before sending to the background, and there would be no way to unsuppress it. |
| 14:48.24 | blind | s/before sending to the background/when invoking the command/ |
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| 14:50.11 | sly01 | hi guys |
| 14:50.29 | sly01 | I just have a question |
| 14:50.38 | sly01 | I want to install a bind |
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| 14:50.52 | sly01 | but which distro is the best choice for bind9 |
| 14:51.08 | sly01 | somebody says that bind9 is more efficient on centos |
| 14:51.12 | sly01 | what is your suggestion ? |
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| 14:52.05 | sly01 | no one available ? |
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| 14:53.02 | panos_ | i have a problem in terminal with greek characters it shows ???? how can i fix it? |
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| 14:54.27 | Johann | well the easiest way is to stop using greek. Otherwise the problem can come from a lot of different sources : your terminal, the application, you locale, and how all of this interact, so you got to be a little more specific about the issue |
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| 14:55.23 | dagerik | ntp is not syncing with ntp server. help |
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| 14:59.09 | panos_ | Oh ok thx i am Just stop using greek it's so Simple |
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| 14:59.17 | panos_ | :D |
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| 15:01.41 | panos_ | when i install a program from software manager (in my case Chromium) it pop up a warning message saying you are not connected to the internet |
| 15:02.10 | nemo | So... Last year I encountered a couple of issues with vmware-view and opensc, mostly documented here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vmware-view-client/+bug/1268770 |
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| 15:02.36 | nemo | (well, the problem is older than that, it's just that corp switched to smartcard only last year) |
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| 15:03.16 | nemo | Why am I in #debian instead of #ubuntu ? Well. There's one annoying problem w/ vmware-view/opensc - apparently vmware-view-open-client was dropped, and the ubuntu guy who did it said he did so 'cause debian dropped it... |
| 15:03.21 | nemo | I was wondering why. |
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| 15:03.54 | nemo | Thankfully I'm still able to install the old .deb from archives, but that's not very discoverable. Linux is already a 2nd class citizen in corp world, this kind stuff doesn't help |
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| 15:05.05 | nemo | s/2nd class/3rd class/ - OSX is much better treated than linux |
| 15:05.10 | mtn | nemo: maybe this will help: https://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html |
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| 15:05.54 | nemo | mtn: https://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vmware-view-open-client.html |
| 15:06.02 | nemo | mtn: don't see why it was removed |
| 15:06.07 | nemo | apart from maybe lack of maintenance :/ |
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| 15:06.14 | nemo | which again bodes poorly for corporate world |
| 15:06.16 | mtn | that would be a reason |
| 15:06.29 | nemo | luckily the old builds function just fine, but I guess that won't last forever |
| 15:06.44 | nname31 | hello |
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| 15:06.46 | nname31 | i have one firmware from satellite receiver |
| 15:06.48 | nname31 | the letters are difficult to distinguish from the background |
| 15:06.49 | nemo | (function just fine in ubuntu 14.04 LTS that is - no idea of debian side of things) |
| 15:06.50 | nname31 | and i want modify this firmware.abs |
| 15:06.52 | nname31 | can help me? |
| 15:06.54 | nname31 | how can unpack .abs, and after modify pack all file in one .abs file? |
| 15:06.56 | nname31 | i try binwalk but dnot take any analyze from firmware.abs |
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| 15:07.58 | nemo | mtn: "RoQA; dead upstream, unmaintained" |
| 15:08.00 | nemo | *sigh* |
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| 15:08.16 | nemo | mtn: it *is* open source, and someone has it running on github |
| 15:08.21 | nemo | maybe a new upstream could be selected |
| 15:09.01 | mtn | nemo: you should talk to the folks at ubuntu, since that is what you are running |
| 15:09.15 | nemo | mtn: well. they said "we were just copying what the debian folks did upstream" |
| 15:09.18 | nemo | so I was working my way up ☺ |
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| 15:10.41 | nemo | but. I get the picture. clearly debian doesn't care... unfortunately I'm kinda stuck. gentoo still maintains it, but gentoo is even less accepted in corporate world. officially my choices are RedHat and Ubuntu |
| 15:11.14 | nemo | guess if things keep going downhill I can try wine or a vm :/ |
| 15:11.27 | nemo | mtn: anyway. thanks for the packages link |
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| 16:02.21 | Ooze | I'm trying to set a savepath in a program I'm using |
| 16:02.37 | Ooze | the path is /media/x/xx/xxx |
| 16:02.49 | Ooze | If I connect using ssh and the internal IP, I have no issues |
| 16:03.00 | Ooze | Oh actually hey I closed port 22 |
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| 16:03.44 | Lirus | hey, ive an encrypted system which gets decrypted by an initramfs. how can i add a boot param to the encrypted system in debian? i guess when i put in grub it will be send to the initramfs |
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| 16:11.15 | Iridos | Lirus, boot options are inherited all the way through, aren't they? |
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| 16:13.34 | apt-get_ | test... (sorry for the inconvenience) |
| 16:14.18 | Lirus | Iridos: are they? Do you have some sources for me for that :)? but it must be somehow possible to tell the initramfs to boot the kernel with specfifc params :/ ? |
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| 16:23.46 | Iridos | Lirus, IIRC there was some long discussions about systemd parsing/abusing kernel boot parameters from which I got the impression they are reached through |
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| 16:27.53 | Lirus | Iridos: IIRC? I just started with debian and i am already getting really frustrated -.- i used the default encryption setting in the installer (which wasnt able to modify the size of lvs by the way) and now i simply want to update the initramfs but i dont even find the config for mkinitramfs the installer used for the encryption stuff... |
| 16:28.09 | Amun_Ra | Lirus: acronymfinder.com |
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| 16:28.44 | Lirus | Amun_Ra: thanks got it :P |
| 16:28.56 | Amun_Ra | :> |
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| 16:33.05 | mitzelflick | life in hell < |
| 16:33.23 | TomTomTosch | welcome to #debian :3 |
| 16:34.36 | jelly | dagerik: grep ^server /etc/ntp.conf |
| 16:34.45 | Iridos | Lirus, running update-grub should do all that for you |
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| 16:39.57 | Lirus | Iridos: but grub and the grub_cmd_linux params in the config defnitly affect the initram kernel params which i actually dont need/want to |
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| 16:41.36 | Iridos | Lirus, all that stuff "just worked" for me, so I didn't have to do much with it and cannot help much. I guess you found https://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug ? |
| 16:41.39 | toogley | i know debian has a package to determine what orphaned packages (=no maintainer) are installed on the local system. do somebody the name of that software? |
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| 16:41.51 | Iridos | deborphan? |
| 16:42.01 | Iridos | but isn't that a bit outdated now? |
| 16:43.06 | toogley | Iridos: i don't mean those packages which aren't needed anymore, i mean those who don't have an debian maintainer :) |
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| 16:44.44 | TomTomTosch | toogley, do you mean the how-can-i-help package? |
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| 16:45.08 | toogley | TomTomTosch: yes, i think i mean that. i'll look it up |
| 16:45.24 | Iridos | toogley, heh |
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| 16:45.45 | Iridos | yeah, skipped over those parenthesis, obviously :) |
| 16:45.54 | toogley | Iridos: no problem :) |
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| 16:49.24 | vectorman | is using a E15i running Android 2.1-update1 (2.0.1.A.0.47) |
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| 16:51.23 | mitzelflick | Is linux job dead? is devops eating it lik brains? |
| 16:51.31 | TandyUK | hey guys, i have an adaptec 5405 controller in my system |
| 16:51.42 | mitzelflick | unicorn is strong here at my work |
| 16:51.47 | shtrb | what should I check in order to fix empty audio stream when capturing (the mic itself is ok ) ? |
| 16:51.52 | TandyUK | is there a repo i can add which will give me asm_linux (Adaptec Storage manager) on 8.2 x64 |
| 16:51.53 | mitzelflick | just make it pushbutton |
| 16:51.54 | mitzelflick | ! |
| 16:51.56 | shtrb | *using pulseaudio |
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| 16:52.07 | TandyUK | or what tools should i be using to manage/monitor this controller from the OS? |
| 16:52.10 | mitzelflick | alsamixer? |
| 16:52.29 | shtrb | mitzelflick , I already see the device in alsamixer |
| 16:52.31 | shtrb | *it is on full |
| 16:52.37 | shtrb | "capture" |
| 16:52.49 | shtrb | for example : arecord -f cd -d 5 -t raw | lame -x -r - out.mp3 will give me only static |
| 16:53.37 | shtrb | tried capturing also via audicity (got the same result) |
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| 16:53.50 | mitzelflick | there are some things u gota hit spacebar to liek activate |
| 16:53.57 | mitzelflick | I forget which |
| 16:54.00 | mitzelflick | its all overly complex |
| 16:54.04 | mitzelflick | to me |
| 16:54.10 | mitzelflick | hellish interface |
| 16:54.18 | shtrb | moment , will try |
| 16:54.18 | mitzelflick | bsd seems to do audio lil better |
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| 16:54.30 | mitzelflick | then there is somethign that will show more columns to right |
| 16:54.34 | mitzelflick | and u cat run as root |
| 16:54.36 | mitzelflick | or have to |
| 16:54.38 | mitzelflick | i forget which |
| 16:54.45 | shtrb | it has "capture" bellow it I think it active no? |
| 16:54.52 | mitzelflick | hit spacebar |
| 16:54.54 | mitzelflick | n try |
| 16:54.57 | mitzelflick | trial n error |
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| 16:55.04 | shtrb | same result |
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| 16:55.26 | Sigfrid | Guys, what is the best alternative to Cpanel/WHM? (free option) |
| 16:56.01 | Sigfrid | (just for Hosting... on a VPS) |
| 16:56.05 | Sigfrid | DO 512MB |
| 16:56.20 | TandyUK | Sigfrid: Im not aware of any 'good' option tbh |
| 16:56.40 | Sigfrid | =( |
| 16:56.43 | TandyUK | if you need a control panel, youre going to need Cpanel/Plesk/DA/etc, or Webmin |
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| 16:56.58 | TandyUK | or roll your own, or just dont use one full stop (Which is what we do usually) |
| 16:57.17 | TandyUK | We have the cpanel boxes, which new clients go onto, but once they are setup and grow, we migrate them to 'plain' boxes |
| 16:57.30 | Sigfrid | I saw webmin... it's too complex...I need something more simple and oriented to "Hosting plans" |
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| 16:57.41 | toogley | TomTomTosch: thanks |
| 16:57.46 | TandyUK | well tbh cpanel is the industry standard tool for that for a reason |
| 16:58.01 | Sigfrid | what is tbh? |
| 16:58.09 | TandyUK | why do you not want cpanel specifically? |
| 16:58.13 | TandyUK | to be honest |
| 16:58.17 | Sigfrid | oh |
| 16:58.21 | TomTomTosch | toogley, worked well? great :3 |
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| 16:58.46 | TandyUK | your clients will like you for having it, especially if you have extras like softaculous etc |
| 16:58.46 | toogley | TomTomTosch: yes :) |
| 16:58.51 | shtrb | mitzelflick , any more ideas ? |
| 16:59.00 | Sigfrid | because it is very expensive ... I don't have large customers. |
| 16:59.03 | shtrb | maybe it is something very simple that I'm not aware of |
| 16:59.28 | TandyUK | Cpanel is like $20/mo, if thats your idea of a high cost, maybe you should rethink your business (or put prices up) |
| 16:59.48 | Sigfrid | I have an account in InmotionHosting with Cpanel/WHM.... yes it is great, but very expensive... |
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| 17:00.19 | TandyUK | Sigfrid: dedicated server or a reseller plan? |
| 17:00.29 | Sigfrid | Reseller Plan |
| 17:00.34 | Sigfrid | Maybe in the future... but right now I need something cheap... |
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| 17:00.58 | TandyUK | well you have no choices full stop then, putting any other type of control panel on will require root access, and most likely a reinstall of the OS |
| 17:01.53 | TandyUK | and considering cpanel doent support debian, im not sure why youre askign that here |
| 17:01.54 | Sigfrid | Tha'ts okay, I will use a new VPS in DO... I want to migrate all to DO. |
| 17:02.09 | TandyUK | urgh why would you resell hosting on a vps |
| 17:02.21 | Sigfrid | why not? |
| 17:02.23 | Sigfrid | O_O |
| 17:02.26 | TandyUK | performance? |
| 17:02.51 | Sigfrid | :O |
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| 17:03.03 | TandyUK | clearly youre aiming to be a budget host, and tbh, id give up on that |
| 17:03.10 | Sigfrid | DO is not good enough? |
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| 17:03.25 | TandyUK | you need to provide high quality service to your clients, not resell the cheapest vps you can get your hands on |
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| 17:04.00 | Sigfrid | But... I used DO VPS for a while and it works perfect. |
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| 17:04.05 | TandyUK | your quality of service, such as tech support and customer service, is what the customers are paying for, not really the hardware |
| 17:04.05 | Sigfrid | really... |
| 17:04.19 | TandyUK | so long as its 99.99% reliable, most clients are happy in my experience |
| 17:04.56 | Sigfrid | hmm okay... I will keep that in mind.. |
| 17:05.04 | Sigfrid | Thanks dude |
| 17:06.19 | TandyUK | but tbh at your level, stick with some vps runnign cpanel |
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| 17:06.44 | TandyUK | It depends on how much space you need, but for 2Gb disk space, our reseller plans start at £14/mo + VAT |
| 17:07.18 | TandyUK | servers themselves are vmware guests runnign on a HA esxi platform |
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| 17:11.04 | mitzelflick | hmm |
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| 17:11.14 | mitzelflick | sometimes u gota reboot |
| 17:11.18 | mitzelflick | or log out n back in |
| 17:11.23 | mitzelflick | for sound stuff |
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| 17:11.28 | mitzelflick | sessiony |
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| 17:20.33 | sine0 | can i install debian from within a livecd environment with networking |
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| 17:20.47 | sine0 | I am on systemrescuecd. I have 32BG of ram |
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| 17:26.54 | TandyUK | sine0: no youd need to boot from the netinstall disk afaik |
| 17:26.59 | TandyUK | im sure system rescue cd has wodim, so you could download and burn it, or use a usb stick etc |
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| 17:34.14 | BinBasher | anyone using nautilus? |
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| 17:37.01 | c-c | BinBasher: yes |
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| 17:41.36 | BinBasher | c-c: do you know how to get rid of the blue prompt of sharing when clicking downloads |
| 17:41.41 | BinBasher | permanently |
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| 17:42.36 | c-c | BinBasher: I don't have such thing |
| 17:42.46 | c-c | BinBasher: this is a debian related support chan anyway |
| 17:42.53 | c-c | go to #gnome |
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| 17:44.17 | jmcnaught | people can ask about software included in Debian here, although #gnome might be the better place to ask |
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| 17:45.42 | dontknow | BinBasher, i also don't have such thing. mautilus on xfce |
| 17:46.11 | jmcnaught | BinBasher: i only get that blue sharing bar for ~/Public, not for ~/Downloads. I seem to recall it also showing for ~/Downloads in Wheezy and I never figured out how to disable it there |
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| 17:48.02 | CrAzYWolF | hi |
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| 17:50.01 | CrAzYWolF | quick question if i want to make a vpn server using ubuntu, what do u guys recommend, i was checking pptp package or openvpn, so im a lil confused here, any tip would be great. Thanks |
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| 17:51.17 | jmcnaught | CrAzYWolF: you probably want to use openvpn over pptp. also you probably want to you Debian instead of Ubuntu, otherwise you would be asking in #ubuntu |
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| 17:51.54 | CrAzYWolF | ops >< |
| 17:52.29 | CrAzYWolF | sorry, and thanks |
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| 18:06.58 | toogley | is there a reason why we don't ship packages enabled with selinux/apparmor/sth else by default? |
| 18:07.18 | BinBasher | I installed an iceweasel backport once to do something and then installed the normal iceweasel again, now I'm getting prompts every time I want to upgrade to upgrade it to the backported iceweasel.. Any way to forget that I ever backported it? |
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| 18:19.28 | shtrb | CrAzYWolF, I would recommend setting up openvpn if you need security and robustness |
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| 18:23.07 | CrAzYWolF | thx shtrb, yes i am checking that thanks for the info |
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| 18:23.42 | shtrb | CrAzYWolF , just remember to work with 80 or 443 if you expect your clients to arrive from within a uni or something like that |
| 18:24.04 | shtrb | CrAzYWolF , from there using TAP or TUN based on your needs |
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| 18:25.40 | CrAzYWolF | shtrb ok so i would not use the default vpn port? |
| 18:26.09 | karlpinc | CrAzYWolF: Why not take this to #openvpn. (I'd use the default port, depends.) |
| 18:26.34 | CrAzYWolF | ok no problem, thanks guys for the tip |
| 18:26.39 | shtrb | CrAzYWolF, it depends who are your customers |
| 18:26.45 | CrAzYWolF | ahh ok |
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| 18:27.27 | shtrb | CrAzYWolF, if they are in a restricted network it is good to run on 80 or 443 (usually open) |
| 18:27.40 | CrAzYWolF | my cust are, employees |
| 18:27.54 | karlpinc | shtrb: Let's keep this to debian support. |
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| 18:28.04 | CrAzYWolF | i have a a soft that runs on mysql, and windows, but i am trying to move everything to linux |
| 18:28.11 | shtrb | karlpinc , in 5 mins there will be a question how to setup a CA |
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| 18:28.43 | karlpinc | shtrb: Yeah. And he's using ubuntu. So we might tell him to do something wrong. |
| 18:28.44 | shtrb | CrAzYWolF , first thing use Debian and what ever other system :) |
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| 18:29.17 | shtrb | karlpinc, It good time to move a person back to debian |
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| 18:30.03 | karlpinc | shtrb: Go ahead and convince him. |
| 18:30.03 | shtrb | need to replace his keyboard in addition to the sound card |
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| 18:31.48 | shtrb | CrAzYWolF, just remember to use debian because you have superior (by my standards) documentation and support to setup such things |
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| 18:31.59 | CrAzYWolF | shtrb funny thing the distro that i have always use is debian, i dl ubuntu to try it out, some co workers told me too, so im just checking |
| 18:32.22 | CrAzYWolF | thats why i even log in here lol :P |
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| 18:33.24 | shtrb | CrAzYWolF , btw if you wish to have a killer change setup xmpp (ejabbared) and owncloud in addition to the openvpn |
| 18:33.28 | shtrb | all from debian |
| 18:34.13 | CrAzYWolF | sounds pretty good |
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| 18:34.59 | shtrb | CrAzYWolF, and easy debian-admistration is a great help for many subjects |
| 18:35.48 | karlpinc | shtrb: ? |
| 18:36.28 | shtrb | karlpinc , when debian wiki is missing something debian-adminstrator.org have it |
| 18:36.41 | p0g0 | Would an upgrade to Jessie change the /etc/sshd_config's PubkeyAuthentication setting, or somehow break existing (working) authorized_keys? I've a script that newly requires the password, ignoring the key that was passed to ssh (that worked for 3 years). |
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| 18:37.29 | shtrb | any chance a key got blacklisted ? |
| 18:37.41 | p0g0 | not consiously |
| 18:37.55 | p0g0 | I see the key still in the file |
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| 18:39.28 | karlpinc | p0g0: Check the release notes. There was a change to some sshd default, but it should prompt on upgrade. See also the contents of /usr/share/doc/openssh-server/ |
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| 18:39.39 | entourage | is it absolutely for Debian to be connected to the internet during installation?? |
| 18:39.51 | karlpinc | p0g0: But, I wouldn't expect things to break. |
| 18:39.55 | quantic | entourage: If you're using the netinstall image. |
| 18:39.55 | entourage | *is it absolutely necessary for Debian to be connected to the internet during installation??* |
| 18:40.00 | shtrb | entourage , only if you wish to get extra packages |
| 18:40.05 | karlpinc | p0g0: See what the logs on the server say, and ssh -vvv |
| 18:40.25 | karlpinc | entourage: No, not even if you use the netinstall image. |
| 18:40.44 | entourage | it seems like the grup-cp package doesn't install without internet connection :( |
| 18:40.53 | abrotman | that's not why |
| 18:40.57 | entourage | *grub-pc |
| 18:41.01 | karlpinc | entourage: But, you can only install a mimimal system with the netinstall image, or a whatever packages you have available locally with other images. |
| 18:41.11 | shtrb | entourage, if you don't ask for additional packages or connect to the internet (be warned if you are a Free telecom it stuck d-i in some cases) |
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| 18:41.19 | CrAzYWolF | hmmm cinammon desktop, interesting |
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| 18:42.07 | entourage | I use Debian live with XFCE |
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| 18:44.23 | CrAzYWolF | yeah im checking witch one to download |
| 18:44.30 | jmcnaught | entourage: try using an installer image instead of a live one |
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| 18:44.46 | karlpinc | CrAzYWolF: Just use the netinstall. |
| 18:44.48 | somiaj | I have fail2ban and want to configure it to work with failed logins on a sagemath server (over https). Unsure how I would go about this (maybe there is a better channel for fail2ban questions). Does fail2ban figure out bans based off of logs from the server (i know it can integrate with apache) or something else. |
| 18:44.48 | p0g0 | karlpinc: thanks. fwiw, things are pretty broken, and won't fix nicely. I'll give the ssh -vv a run. |
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| 18:45.35 | karlpinc | somiaj: I know that one way it figures out bans is by reading logs. There may, possibly, be other ways. |
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| 18:45.45 | karlpinc | somiaj: For this reason there's inherient latency. |
| 18:46.04 | shtrb | p0g0 , did you check the file permissions ? |
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| 18:46.38 | karlpinc | somiaj: Another approach I've used is swatch. I'd stick with fail2ban unless you've a need it does not meet. |
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| 18:47.51 | karlpinc | somiaj: (Of course if you use swatch or otherwise roll your own you'll need the appropriate iptables entries. I like ipset, and really prefer ferm over raw iptables syntax. YMMV.) |
| 18:47.52 | somiaj | karlpinc: okay. Yea I was thinking it was with logs, but I am not sure if sagemath is loging failed logins, which of course makes this more difficult. Thanks for the input, I'll look into trying to get sagemath to log failed logins (it uses the python twisted server if that makes much of a difference) |
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| 18:48.20 | karlpinc | somiaj: Then there's probably a tween you can use. But I'm not really up on that. |
| 18:48.28 | karlpinc | somiaj: Use for logging. |
| 18:50.11 | karlpinc | somiaj: My problem with fail2ban is that it does not keep the state I want. I get hits from botnets, so a failed user creation attempt from one IP, then a login from another on the bad username, etc. I want to ban the whole botnet. |
| 18:50.25 | somiaj | karlpinc: Isn't there a way you can see login attempts by just looking at the trafic (even if encrypted). I know my network gets notified if login attempts are sent nonencrypted (and sends me nasty mails) but with encryption this probabaly won't work. |
| 18:50.40 | jamesl | How to always accept cookies from any website in Lynx? I googled it and found only information on how to accept cookies for a specific domain, but I want to accept all cookies without ever being prompted? Ideally I am looking for a config file option, but could not find such an option in the Lynx FAQ, or the other relevant sections of the Lynx documentation. |
| 18:51.34 | somiaj | karlpinc: ahh, I'm not that far into figure this out. Luckly I'm not worried about it to much. Only issue I have is if they crack a password on sagemath, they get access to a nonroot python shell which of course means they could start looking for exploits. |
| 18:51.43 | karlpinc | somiaj: Possibly, https has leaked from my brain. Depends on whether the headrs are encrypted. |
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| 18:52.37 | karlpinc | somiaj: I'd suspect the answer is no, but am not sure. |
| 18:53.23 | karlpinc | jamesl: Have you looked at the man page? The answer (or lack of same) should be there. |
| 18:53.34 | jamesl | thanks. |
| 18:53.44 | karlpinc | jamesl: There's also "links". FYI |
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| 18:55.42 | karlpinc | somiaj: As in "no, you can't tell failed logins by sniffing". |
| 18:56.38 | somiaj | karlpinc: yea that is what I thought. I wasn't thinking you could detect failed logins, but if you could detect login info was sent maybe set up a timer so if X number of logins occur in a certain time frame then ban the ip |
| 18:56.39 | jamesl | karlpinc: I found it, -accept_all_cookies. I hae heard of Links but it is not as well documented as Lynx, or as well known. |
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| 18:57.10 | somiaj | jamesl: many prefer links2 over lynx in terms of features. But its been a while since i've used either. |
| 18:57.16 | karlpinc | jamesl: Never hurts to <rtfm>. |
| 18:57.20 | karlpinc | :) |
| 18:57.30 | thieh | Question: if I need mailx just for unattended upgrades, which package should I be installing? |
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| 18:58.05 | somiaj | thieh: bsd-mailx (but the unattened upgrades should depend on any package it 'needs', or at least have it recommeneded |
| 18:58.06 | jamesl | Karlpinc: I know, I've read esr's "how to ask smart questions" so really I have no excuse for not RTFMing |
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| 18:58.53 | karlpinc | somiaj: That sort of state keeping is exactly where I find fail2ban lacking. |
| 18:59.48 | p0g0 | karlpinc: I think you pointed me in the right direction, the ssh -vv yielded "Skipping ssh-dss key /root/.ssh/my-secret-key for not in PubkyAcceptedKeyTypes" I guess I will regenerate all the keys with a cipher that is in the accepted key type list, or edit that list. I'll guess the key type was deprecated for a reason, maybe. |
| 19:00.31 | Ooze | I'm running an install.sh that has 'sudo mkdir /home/jail /lib32 /lib64 /usr/lib64 || true', what's the '|| true' for? |
| 19:00.33 | somiaj | p0g0: there are lots of older key types that have been depericated due to 'easy to crack' |
| 19:00.52 | p0g0 | somiaj: yes, and I'll see the silver lining, eventually |
| 19:00.59 | p0g0 | hi btq |
| 19:01.01 | p0g0 | eh |
| 19:01.02 | karlpinc | somiaj: I can send you a setup if there's a way to get it to you privately. (Don't really want my firewall etc public.) |
| 19:01.03 | p0g0 | btw |
| 19:01.09 | somiaj | p0g0: well maybe not lots, but even with https, chromium complains if the key is not 'good enough' |
| 19:01.42 | somiaj | karlpinc: thanks for the offer, but I'm not to that point yet. I'm just researching ideas right now and trying to figure out what is possible. |
| 19:01.47 | Ooze | Anyone? |
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| 19:02.40 | karlpinc | Ooze: It'll never exit with a fail. |
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| 19:03.29 | karlpinc | Ooze: (man dash) There's probably a "set" somewhere that will abort the script if anything fails. |
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| 19:04.44 | Ooze | Yeah it's terminating because those folders already exist |
| 19:04.51 | shtrb | before I traval to a store to buy an audio card how can I verify (with software) that my capture jack working ? |
| 19:04.54 | Ooze | which doesn't make sense to me, it should just continue |
| 19:04.55 | shtrb | *mic jack |
| 19:05.02 | SiIky | hey #debian! i installed Stretch the other day and 'man' is having a weird behaviour (at least for me).. is it a common issue or just black magic? |
| 19:05.22 | Ooze | Yeah, there's a 'set -e' at the top of the script |
| 19:05.26 | Ooze | Should I exclude that? |
| 19:05.51 | SiIky | to elaborate: i cant use jk or the arrows to move, only enter, and when i search for a string man closes (no matter if it finds or not a match) |
| 19:06.06 | karlpinc | Ooze: Not unless you know what you're doing. What are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 19:06.19 | karlpinc | shtrb: You want to know it's broken before buying a new one? |
| 19:06.24 | shtrb | yes |
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| 19:06.46 | shtrb | karlpinc , I tried to capture audio and I get only static |
| 19:06.57 | karlpinc | !tell SiIky about debian-next |
| 19:07.08 | somiaj | SiIky: stretch can have bugs (it is testing). What is the behavior you are seeing? |
| 19:07.22 | somiaj | SiIky: do you have 'less' installed? |
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| 19:07.48 | CrAzYWolF | well im out for today, see u guys later |
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| 19:08.16 | karlpinc | shtrb: You're sure the microphone works? Tried another one? (Just basic debugging here. I know nothing about sound.) |
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| 19:08.43 | shtrb | yes |
| 19:09.02 | SiIky | somiaj: thats a good question, i rarely use 'less'... ill check it in a bit! (im using a VM and i cant open it right now) |
| 19:09.08 | shtrb | karlpinc , I pluged the mic to a windows machine and it worked |
| 19:09.47 | apt-get | hey, I'm trying to write an udev rule in order to automatically mount my mtp device once it's connected. However, udev doesn't seem to detect the rule. Any idea why? http://pastie.org/pastes/10737525/text (rule at the top, udevadm monitor logs at the bottom) |
| 19:10.07 | karlpinc | shtrb: Maybe you're not "listening" to the right input source. Here's the only thing I know about audio, maybe it'll help. |
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| 19:10.19 | karlpinc | !tell shtrb about alsa checklist |
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| 19:10.38 | glaucom | hi all |
| 19:10.39 | somiaj | SiIky: Man can use various 'viewers' and I think more is the only one that is installed by default and it doen't allow one to scroll up and down (only down). less is better than more and I think installing that will fix your issue (not possitve though) |
| 19:11.06 | shtrb | karlpinc , the listening issue sound plossible |
| 19:11.16 | shtrb | did the check list - passed all |
| 19:11.33 | shtrb | !tell shtrb about commands |
| 19:11.40 | glaucom | https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/GNGXX5XaSSy3bHPyEcLY?signature=fffe64c836c5572f104715a79de2183f36666764fd482ba99a2be748d7f82405&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE0NTY0MzA3NTJ9 |
| 19:11.47 | karlpinc | !tell shtrb about msg the bot |
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| 19:11.53 | glaucom | google chrome not open in debian 8.3.0 stable ? |
| 19:12.00 | shtrb | karlpinc how do I get the list of commands it accept ? |
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| 19:12.35 | karlpinc | apt-get: Isn't there something you have to do to tell udev that you've added something to it's config? (I could be totally wrong here.) |
| 19:12.50 | apt-get | yeah karlpinc, udevadm control --reload |
| 19:12.52 | apt-get | already did that |
| 19:13.06 | karlpinc | !tell shtrb about dpkgbot |
| 19:13.20 | glaucom | karlpinc: i download .deb in google.com |
| 19:13.30 | glaucom | and dpkg -i package.deb |
| 19:13.39 | shtrb | glaucom , stop never do it |
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| 19:13.57 | karlpinc | !tell glaucom about dontbreakdebian |
| 19:14.08 | rory | Hi, what sort of init script do I need to write for Debian 8? I only know Upstart on Ubuntu Server |
| 19:14.10 | shtrb | glaucom - the only source for debs debian mirrors |
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| 19:14.32 | SiIky | somiaj: i didnt know about that! I have less installed, so i guess thats not the prob |
| 19:14.34 | quantic | rory: systemd units. |
| 19:14.34 | glaucom | https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/b0q1ozMYTZy41qjLx3aw?signature=4d54000ca4ea6f8a5cd054f54cd5a485329f5c04dd78e415fa63fa698e9ca531&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE0NTY0MzA5Mjd9 |
| 19:14.39 | shtrb | rory , maybe systemd ? |
| 19:14.41 | glaucom | see this |
| 19:14.54 | shtrb | glaucom - that is evil |
| 19:14.56 | karlpinc | rory: You can write a lsb compatible sysv init script and it'll work. But the "new way" is to use systemd and put something into /etc/systemd/system/ |
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| 19:15.08 | jmcnaught | glaucom: chromium (the open source version of chrome) is available in the Debian repos |
| 19:15.20 | shtrb | karlpinc , didn't debian droped LSB support ? |
| 19:15.25 | glaucom | shtrb: what ? |
| 19:15.32 | markybob | yes it did |
| 19:15.34 | shtrb | glaucom - do not download debs |
| 19:15.43 | rory | I literally just want a bare-bones system service that runs a command, and restarts it when it quits. a "while true" loop running in GNU screen would do, but I'd prefer to do it Properly |
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| 19:15.47 | karlpinc | shtrb: Yeah, in general. But it's sysv still uses the lsb compatible syntax. |
| 19:15.47 | shtrb | use your configured package managers |
| 19:15.51 | rory | Can anyone point me at a good example I can work from? |
| 19:16.24 | glaucom | but for what reason no longer works by downloading the original fornecedo by google chrome? |
| 19:16.49 | shtrb | glaucom , downloding debs is asking for trouble |
| 19:16.54 | glaucom | for curiosity. Debian is stable, and the chrome package as well. |
| 19:17.04 | apt-get | glaucom, in the first place, you shouldn't download debs. |
| 19:17.09 | jmcnaught | glaucom: i don't know, you'd have to ask google why their software doesn't work as expected |
| 19:17.32 | glaucom | i need work IBM panel |
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| 19:17.36 | apt-get | The chrome package may not need the same dependency versions as the ones available on your debian install. |
| 19:17.39 | glaucom | in chromium never works... |
| 19:17.52 | apt-get | It should work in chromium. |
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| 19:17.57 | apt-get | Unless it requires flash or something. |
| 19:18.01 | shtrb | did you open a bug for the panel ? |
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| 19:18.38 | jmcnaught | rory: "man systemd.unit" is one place to start, it will lead you to others. you could also look up lennart's blog series on systemd which has some decent introductory content. don't get discouraged, systemd units are a lot easier to write than init scripts, the syntax looks like ini files |
| 19:19.12 | karlpinc | rory: There's gotta be an example in "man systemd.service". But maybe not. |
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| 19:19.52 | shtrb | rory ,what type of service you are going to setup ? |
| 19:20.02 | shtrb | unit ? mount ? swap etc |
| 19:20.09 | glaucom | https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/19wotjpDS0Kl7Cl4KSPj?signature=e0e8e77fd4afda2773dfec774a80cf14712343caea6638eafbf23519bbea0548&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE0NTY0MzEyNjZ9 |
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| 19:20.57 | shtrb | even that freedesktop.org had been sold |
| 19:21.12 | Walakea | does anyone here use any CLI music player? |
| 19:21.23 | shtrb | me , mplayer |
| 19:21.25 | glaucom | https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/TmksRU7FQnOLVPZIp2L6?signature=2548cd69532c0363a589c342a0ac003592d91d6335b349bd02d35da80b9ff55f&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE0NTY0MzEzNDB9 |
| 19:21.33 | karlpinc | rory: Perhaps you should look at some of the existing systemd service files, wack something simple up, and ask about it here? |
| 19:21.34 | somiaj | SiIky: ls -l /etc/alternatives/pager (what is this pointing to? on my system it is less) |
| 19:21.41 | glaucom | see this error chromium |
| 19:21.42 | jmcnaught | glaucom: maybe you could use https://paste.debian.net/ instead? I for one would not click on that suspicious looking like you keep spamming |
| 19:21.57 | glaucom | jmcnaught: no no |
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| 19:21.59 | shtrb | rory , here are some docs - https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html |
| 19:22.01 | teraflops | rory: you want Type=forking, but I bet there are some good examples of tmux a systemd service in the internet |
| 19:22.09 | shtrb | for unit didn't find them on wiki.debian.org |
| 19:22.14 | teraflops | as* |
| 19:22.30 | SiIky | somiaj: its pointing to more |
| 19:22.49 | somiaj | SiIky: make that point to less with update-alternatives |
| 19:23.05 | somiaj | SiIky: so man is using 'more' by default. you can also do man -p less foo and see if that fixes your issue |
| 19:23.14 | glaucom | chromium --no-sandbox --user-data-dir |
| 19:23.17 | glaucom | only works this |
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| 19:24.43 | SiIky | somiaj: yeah, the -P flag works |
| 19:24.49 | SiIky | thx for your help! :) |
| 19:24.56 | teraflops | SiIky: export PAGER=less in ~/.waheteverprofile |
| 19:25.09 | somiaj | SiIky: For somereason the alternatives didn't get updated when you installed less (or was reverted back to more by something) |
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| 19:25.50 | glaucom | SPNEGO authentication is not supported on this client. |
| 19:26.01 | glaucom | what solve or no solve ? |
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| 19:26.26 | Walakea | mplayer is CLI? |
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| 19:26.41 | shtrb | you can use it via cli only |
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| 19:26.53 | shtrb | even with running X |
| 19:26.59 | shtrb | *without |
| 19:27.08 | jmcnaught | glaucom: did you try Iceweasel? |
| 19:27.16 | Walakea | cool |
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| 19:27.24 | SiIky | hm whe i try 'update-alternatives --set pager path/to/less' it says less isnt registered as a pager |
| 19:27.26 | glaucom | same |
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| 19:28.03 | Walakea | will i be able to see more than Wikipedia on Lynx? |
| 19:28.03 | glaucom | https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/ozjdPq1Rv2qBG8anGBgQ?signature=67def3433aefea8337f018d0f35587931e1cfab0b594547fd62b619aaf120a90&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE0NTY0MzE3Mzl9 |
| 19:28.08 | shtrb | glaucom , for Iceewasel you need to enable it |
| 19:28.14 | shtrb | the same from chromium |
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| 19:29.28 | shtrb | just a smal note SPNEGO is disabled by default because it is not secure |
| 19:29.35 | wacek | systemd is the biggest shit in Debian yet somehow it works but the arch linux that has a newer version of systemd reluctance to shut down so need to wait a few minutes |
| 19:29.35 | somiaj | SiIky: maybe try to reinstall less, maybe the postinstall script didn't correctly set up the alternative. 'apt-get --reinstall install less' |
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| 19:30.12 | somiaj | SiIky: if that doesn't work, you may need to check the bug reports on less, check the post install script and see why it failed (so you can let debian know about this issue). Or you can use update-alternatives and add less as an alternative. |
| 19:30.17 | glaucom | no works |
| 19:30.19 | glaucom | :( |
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| 19:30.39 | shtrb | glaucom , have you tried enabling it ? |
| 19:30.45 | glaucom | ye |
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| 19:30.53 | glaucom | chromium-browser --auth-server-whitelist="www.example.com" --auth-negotiate-delegate-whitelist="www.example.com" |
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| 19:32.33 | shtrb | can you check with --auth-negotiate-delegate-whitelist --auth-schemes --auth-server-whitelist -disable-auth-negotiate-cname-lookup --enable-auth-negotiate-port --gssapi-library-name |
| 19:32.44 | SiIky | somiaj: noted! ill stick with an alias for today and try that tomorrow. thanks again! |
| 19:32.49 | karlpinc | SiIky: Don't you have to logout and back in again? |
| 19:32.50 | Walakea | speking of systemd, did did anyone write themselses a systemd unit to do powertop --auto-tune on system boot? i copied one from Archwiki but didnt work and i dont know much about writing systemd units |
| 19:32.55 | glaucom | chromium --no-sandbox --user-data-dir --auth-server-whitelist="suporte.tecnico.sp.senac.br" --auth-negotiate-delegate-whitelist="suporte.tecnico.sp.senac.br" |
| 19:33.14 | karlpinc | SiIky: (for your pager choice to take effect?) |
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| 19:34.22 | SiIky | karlpinc: dont know, but it wasnt even set. update-alternatives said less wasnt registered |
| 19:34.50 | karlpinc | SiIky: Odd. Very odd. Ok. |
| 19:35.53 | SiIky | indeed... ill try reinstalling it, as somiaj said, tomorrow |
| 19:36.48 | Ooze | karlpinc: I'm trying to install wandbox using this script https://gist.github.com/cielavenir/f72ae830d3b6ad80240d |
| 19:36.58 | Ooze | but I'm having troubles if directories are already created |
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| 19:38.19 | wacek | systemd can somehow compel to the quick closing ignoring any obstacles? |
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| 19:40.06 | humbot | maybe export alias mkdir="mkdir -p" before you launch the script Ooze |
| 19:40.36 | Ooze | mkdir -p should work |
| 19:40.43 | Ooze | oh |
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| 19:56.50 | jcplouf | hey, any idea why I would lose ipv6 connectivity all of a sudden? |
| 19:57.14 | jcplouf | I don't get it.. |
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| 19:59.43 | donald | I have download a software that I am not sure it is not a virus on debian. I am not sure of what it is. I want to remove every pakages that was not set by the system. How to do it with a command line? |
| 20:00.18 | mkb | jcplouf, router advertisement expired and the router never sent a new one? |
| 20:00.50 | mkb | donald, if you've really installed malware on your system you probably want to re-install |
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| 20:01.46 | donald | No |
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| 20:02.22 | donald | I want to see what it is before |
| 20:02.35 | donald | So I need to list every installed pakages |
| 20:03.15 | TomTomTosch | donald, dpkg -l then |
| 20:03.38 | markybob | TomTomTosch: how do you know he didn't install from source ? he apparently doesn't even know what he installed |
| 20:03.41 | jcplouf | mkb: /etc/init.d/networking restart should force renew it if that were the case right? |
| 20:03.49 | markybob | which is why this is stupid |
| 20:03.55 | mkb | jcplouf, you can't force the router to send you advertisements |
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| 20:04.22 | mkb | but if it's something else restarting networking might fix it |
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| 20:04.57 | TomTomTosch | markybob, he wanted to list every installed package, who am i to deny his desire :3 |
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| 20:07.10 | jcplouf | mkb: the "router" is ovh I'm not sure the problem is on their end - anything I can do to check? |
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| 20:08.08 | donald | TomTomTosch: There are too much dependencies to see which one is the supsect sofware. I need to read only the name of the softwares, not pakages and dependancies and only the softwares which was not installed with the system. |
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| 20:08.38 | mkb | donald, you realize that malware won't report itself to dpkg's database right? |
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| 20:09.03 | donald | right |
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| 20:09.28 | markybob | yeah. like i said. stupid |
| 20:09.34 | donald | What about a troyan? |
| 20:09.35 | mkb | jcplouf, obviously there's tcpdump; I don't know enough about ipv6 on debian to suggest anything higher level than that though |
| 20:09.38 | markybob | donald: no |
| 20:10.00 | donald | No problem |
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| 20:11.12 | entourage | is there an update manager in Debian XFCE ?? |
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| 20:12.00 | bblindy | entourage: there is in xubuntu; I imagine there'd be one for a standard Debian w/XFCE install |
| 20:12.27 | humbot | menu - system - synaptic ? |
| 20:13.28 | shtrb | glaucom , given that setup I would try doing kinit and then accessing the site |
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| 20:13.53 | Dagger | jcplouf: `/etc/init.d/networking restart` has been deprecated for a long time and may or may not actually bring your interfaces back up properly. use `ifdown <name>; ifup <name>` instead |
| 20:13.53 | TomTomTosch | there is unattended-upgrades which you can run in a cronjob. |
| 20:14.24 | RoyK | Dagger: that doesn't always work either - I've seen issues with that |
| 20:14.30 | shtrb | glaucom , I'm suggestion kerberous and enabling SPNEGO on browser level because it's windows world |
| 20:14.34 | RoyK | Dagger: byt systemctl restart networking should work |
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| 20:14.56 | Ooze | Wouldn't an alias break all the exisintg mkdir -p's? |
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| 20:15.15 | Ooze | I tried installing this manually, following their install instructions, but I was still messing something up I guess |
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| 20:15.30 | RoyK | Ooze: alias? |
| 20:15.32 | Ooze | That script was the only other documentation I was able to find |
| 20:15.52 | Ooze | humbot: suggested I export alias mkdir='"mkdir -" |
| 20:15.58 | Ooze | -p" |
| 20:16.01 | Ooze | before running |
| 20:16.34 | RoyK | Ooze: no need for that - usually you mkdir single dirs, otherwise just add -p ;) |
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| 20:21.00 | dimitry7 | hi guys! |
| 20:21.15 | dimitry7 | how can I know which package a command belongs to. I tried dpkg -S mail |
| 20:21.18 | dimitry7 | but it doesn't work |
| 20:21.30 | dimitry7 | i know it belongs to mailutis but still want to know how to get that |
| 20:21.46 | Ooze | RoyK: This is what I'm working with https://gist.github.com/cielavenir/f72ae830d3b6ad80240d |
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| 20:25.25 | stojic_ | dimitry7: You are using the correct command, but /usr/bin/mail is a symbolic link (try ls -l /usr/bin/mail). It is a part of debian alternatives system. |
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| 20:28.28 | jelly | dimitry7: you were close. dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which mail)) |
| 20:29.35 | dimitry7 | stojic_, ohh your're right! |
| 20:29.41 | RoyK | Ooze: mkdir -p /opt/wandbox/etc after mkdir -p /opt/wandbox - why -p? |
| 20:29.45 | dimitry7 | jelly, hehe, thank you! you always save me :) |
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| 20:30.59 | jelly | it might come from heirloom-mailx or bsd-mailx, too |
| 20:32.02 | Ooze | RoyK: Don't ask me, I didn't write it ;) |
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| 20:35.10 | Ooze | My issue is it's exiting if some of those folders already exist |
| 20:35.17 | Ooze | Which I'd rather it just contine, I don't see why that's a problewm |
| 20:39.43 | mitzelflick | how do debian pros handle install of environments for java devs involving tomcat postgres node hornetq apache? |
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| 20:41.31 | humbot | nowhere does it test how a mkdir exited |
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| 20:45.31 | DexterF | hi |
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| 20:45.49 | nikitasius | helloworld! |
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| 20:46.53 | gonegone | Anyone I have a BCM4313 broadcom wireless device using the WL driver that's performing like it's on dialup... |
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| 20:47.00 | DexterF | libparted complains about driver reported physical blocksize 2048 vs linux saying 512. I can't quite make of that what the issue is. 500gb HDD, should be at 512 sector size, no fancy emulation |
| 20:47.03 | gonegone | I've read at least 30 different forum posts and nothing happens |
| 20:47.14 | jelly | mitzelflick: it's often a matter of company policy and best practices. Also, what do postgres, node.js or apache have to do with java? |
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| 20:48.47 | TomTomTosch | gonegone, i have the same chipset in my other machiine.. you need the firmware-brcm80211 from non-free |
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| 20:49.16 | TomTomTosch | gonegone, it still is buggy though and i have problems with some corporate wifi setups. |
| 20:49.47 | gonegone | i had a hard drive crash and burn, prior to this there was no issues. I must of used firmware-brc80211 to fix it then |
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| 20:50.24 | gonegone | lspci -nk says kernel driver in use: wl |
| 20:50.30 | TomTomTosch | gonegone, broadcom is the pest https://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
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| 20:50.32 | gonegone | so i apt-get install firmware-brc80211? |
| 20:50.37 | gonegone | thanks |
| 20:50.55 | TomTomTosch | no problemo |
| 20:52.06 | mitzelflick | they are used all together here |
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| 20:54.46 | gonegone | firmware-brcm80211 is already the newst version then i modprobe -r brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac |
| 20:54.55 | gonegone | but lspci -nk says kernal drive in use wl |
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| 20:57.33 | Sky2939 | Hey guys, do you know if SASL authentication is needed? I have a small company with my own email server. (Debian 8) running standard postfix, dovecot, and squirrelmail |
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| 20:59.05 | gonegone | rmmod wl maybe? |
| 20:59.06 | nikitasius | Sky2939 i use sasl on mine. sasl with mysql under. all encrypted with starttls |
| 20:59.24 | orzo | What's the best way to get squashfs suport in debian? Do i need to compile a kernel? |
| 20:59.28 | nikitasius | Sky2939 and it's private server |
| 20:59.46 | gonegone | now i don't see wl when i type lspci -nk which is good i guess |
| 20:59.53 | gonegone | how do i add brcmsmac now? |
| 20:59.59 | nikitasius | Sky2939 there is lot of guides: sasl + dovecot + postfix + dkim |
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| 21:00.53 | gonegone | TomTomTosch: any idea? |
| 21:00.59 | markybob | Sky2939: you know the latest version of squirrelmail was in 2011, right? it's a dead project. just fyi. |
| 21:01.19 | Sky2939 | markybob: hmmm would roundcube be a better idea? |
| 21:01.24 | markybob | Sky2939: yes |
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| 21:01.49 | Sky2939 | markybob: how much more difficult is it to configure than squirrelmail |
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| 21:02.09 | Sky2939 | nikitasius: What benefits does SASL authentication provide when you already have tls enabled |
| 21:02.13 | markybob | Sky2939: it's not hard |
| 21:02.35 | Sky2939 | markybob: I really don't care about complex functionality, just security. |
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| 21:02.52 | markybob | Sky2939: right. so don't use something not updated since 2011 :P |
| 21:03.20 | Sky2939 | markybob: good point |
| 21:03.20 | gonegone | ah okay it loaded bcma-pci-bridge |
| 21:03.42 | gonegone | TomTomTosch: should it says bcma-pci-bridge? |
| 21:05.03 | Sky2939 | Anyone else have any input regarding SASL? |
| 21:05.09 | gonegone | -say |
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| 21:07.20 | gonegone | great i rebooted now nothing is listed |
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| 21:07.37 | gonegone | i checked my blacklist and brcsmac isnt on there |
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| 21:08.50 | nikitasius | Sky2939 sasl - authentification. starttls - encryption |
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| 21:09.54 | humbot | -'if' |
| 21:10.21 | gonegone | anyone? |
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| 21:10.31 | moep | hi |
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| 21:13.43 | gonegone | modprobe brcm80211 --- modprobe fatal module brcm80211 now found |
| 21:14.21 | gonegone | -not |
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| 21:15.19 | kion | How do I know what version of a specific program is the one on backports right now? |
| 21:15.36 | TomTomTosch | gonegone, sry, my connection was gone. did i miss something? |
| 21:15.43 | TomTomTosch | gonegone, wl works with bcm4313. brcmsmac is an alternative. |
| 21:15.56 | gonegone | yeah wl is making my wifi run like its on 56k |
| 21:16.01 | gonegone | but on all other devices its fine |
| 21:17.01 | TomTomTosch | gonegone, you would have to stop wl first to run brcmsmac |
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| 21:17.10 | cra1g321 | kion, check packages.debian.org |
| 21:17.20 | gonegone | k i have bcma-pci-bridge running |
| 21:17.26 | gonegone | and my blacklist is fine now |
| 21:17.27 | kion | cra1g321, Thanks |
| 21:17.29 | gonegone | lets see what happens |
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| 21:18.26 | gonegone | oh joy its just as slow as wl |
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| 21:18.52 | gonegone | is there another alt? |
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| 21:19.18 | TomTomTosch | gonegone, not one i know about, sry. well, non-free drivers tend to suck sometimes. |
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| 21:19.37 | cra1g321 | you can thank broadcom ;) |
| 21:19.45 | TomTomTosch | indeed |
| 21:20.04 | gonegone | i don't get why before i formatted one of the two works perfectly |
| 21:20.09 | gonegone | -worked |
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| 21:20.17 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 21:20.41 | humbot | i seem to recall having to disable ipv6 on broadcom |
| 21:21.11 | gonegone | good idea |
| 21:21.15 | gonegone | that might be the issue thanks |
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| 21:21.40 | Azrael_- | i've got a raid which is degraded, added a new disk but want to delay the resynch. already sent a "echo idle > /sys/block/md2/md/sync_action" but "cat /proc/mdstat" still tells me it's working with 1mb/s. how can i completely pause it? |
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| 21:47.36 | moep | hi! Should my tun10 interface have an "inet" associated with it? I'm trying to setup openvpn but the client cannot establish a connection, so it either is something funky with openvpn itself, the network device or the firewall. Any tips on how to approach this to make sure it's not iptables which is locking me out? |
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| 21:51.15 | BinBasher | I installed an iceweasel backport once to do something and then installed the normal iceweasel again, now I'm getting prompts every time I want to upgrade to upgrade it to the backported iceweasel.. Any way to forget that I ever backported it so I don't have to update to the backport? |
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| 21:56.25 | TomTomTosch | ,v iceweasel |
| 21:56.26 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie: 38.5.0esr-1~deb8u2; wheezy-security: 38.6.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 38.6.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 38.6.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 44.0.2-1~bpo80+1; |
| 21:56.27 | judd | sid: 44.0.2-1; stretch: 44.0.2-1; experimental: 45.0~b5-1 |
| 21:56.37 | Vanfanel | Hi. With a recent kernel update, I get this message on boot: "sdhost: log_buf @ ae813000 (ee81300)". Does anybody know what it means and how to supress it? |
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| 22:00.28 | NDeb | I have a USB WiFi dongle and have used it as a hotspot and used my internal card to connect to my home WiFi. When I connect to the hotspot on my android device I receive a "Connected, no internet" message, apparently indicating my computer is not bridging the two interfaces. What can I do? |
| 22:00.43 | jmcnaught | BinBasher: can you put a paste of "apt-cache policy iceweasel" on https://paste.debian.net/ along with the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list (and any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d). You probably just need to remove the mozilla.debian.net repo, but you should check which version you currently have installed first |
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| 22:01.48 | TomTomTosch | maybe i'm stupid but i can't install iceweasel from jessie-backports on my machine and packages.debian.org does not show it either. hmm... judd does though. |
| 22:02.01 | Triski | Vanfanel, is related to a SD Card controller, does your computer/thing has one of those? |
| 22:02.03 | AbortRetryFail | I have an old relic Debian 5.0 SPARC box. Is it worth trying to do an upgrade on this or should I look at wiping it off and starting over? |
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| 22:02.56 | karlpinc | NDeb: Are you running a dhcp server? |
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| 22:03.27 | karlpinc | AbortRetryFail: You'd have to do 3 upgrades. Might be simpler to start over. |
| 22:03.33 | markybob | AbortRetryFail: probably a wipe |
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| 22:04.22 | NDeb | karlpinc:I don't think so, but my android device appeared to have no trouble "Obtaining [an] IP Address". |
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| 22:05.18 | karlpinc | NDeb: Then something must be handing it one. |
| 22:05.47 | NDeb | NDeb: Yeah. What else could be the issue? |
| 22:05.50 | jmcnaught | TomTomTosch: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 22:05.57 | karlpinc | NDeb: You're bridging? |
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| 22:06.28 | TomTomTosch | jmcnaught, ah, right. forgot about that. |
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| 22:08.10 | Vanfanel | Triski: yes, in fact the rootfs lives in an SD card... what does it mean? can it be disabled? |
| 22:08.27 | Triski | Vanfanel, is a rapsberri? |
| 22:08.32 | Vanfanel | Triski: yes, it is |
| 22:08.46 | Triski | i send you a pvt msg due to long url |
| 22:08.57 | NDeb | karlpinc: I did not realize I had to do that manually. I did not (or at least do not remember) doing it on my last Linux distro. How would I bridge them? |
| 22:09.00 | Vanfanel | Triski: thanks :) |
| 22:10.19 | karlpinc | NDeb: Well, you either bridge or route. If you route and are not in control of the dhcp then you're probably assigning an IP on the wrong network. I don't know how to bridge offhand, but "man interfaces" probably says. |
| 22:12.18 | NDeb | karlpinc: I search for the word bridge in that and could not find it. |
| 22:12.49 | karlpinc | NDeb: Does "ip link" say anything useful? |
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| 22:13.21 | NDeb | karlpinc:I will check. I am also reading an article |
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| 22:13.59 | karlpinc | NDeb: Or maybe "ip addr". |
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| 22:14.09 | Azrael_- | is it normal that i need to update initramfs if i swap a disk in my raid? |
| 22:15.00 | NDeb | karlpinc: would bridge_ports do anything? |
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| 22:15.34 | karlpinc | Azrael_-: Dunno. But it'd make a certain amount of sense that it'd want uuids or something to build /. |
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| 22:16.45 | Azrael_- | yeah, but the uuids of the raid and logical-volumes (lvm) didn't change ... |
| 22:17.00 | karlpinc | NDeb: Dunno. I haven't bridged on Linux. But apparently you'll want to install the bridge-utils package and read whatever docs are inside and that will give you the answer. |
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| 22:17.11 | Azrael_- | this caught me cold ... |
| 22:17.44 | karlpinc | Azrael_-: Doesn't the md itself put a uuid on the block device? |
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| 22:17.50 | NDeb | karlpinc:OK. I already have that installed. I am going to look more into this. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
| 22:17.56 | Azrael_- | karlpinc: correct |
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| 22:18.29 | karlpinc | Azrael_-: So if each underlying device has a uuid and you change a disk, well, you'll have a new uuid. |
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| 22:18.45 | boiert__ | Hello! |
| 22:19.20 | karlpinc | Azrael_-: But really, I'm just talking. I haven't actually RTFM. |
| 22:19.25 | Azrael_- | :D |
| 22:19.59 | Azrael_- | this "small" glitch did cost me now 3 hours and 100 euro :( |
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| 22:20.19 | boiert__ | Does anyone know why /bin/systemd-inhibit contains a lot of zeros in debian jessie? |
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| 22:21.50 | boiert__ | Stretch's version is something like 280k, Jessie's is 2.3 megs :o |
| 22:22.40 | boiert__ | (I was dicking around catting binaries to /dev/fb0 to see pretty colors) |
| 22:23.34 | NDeb | Do I need to restart any service after editing my interfaces file? |
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| 22:24.08 | karlpinc | NDeb: You can do an ifup or ifdown on the interfaces you changed. |
| 22:24.39 | karlpinc | NDeb: (Probably both) |
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| 22:25.22 | NDeb | karlpinc:if I down my new br0 interface, it says it is not configured. |
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| 22:26.02 | karlpinc | NDeb: Ok. So it does not need to go down. (You can use the "ip" command to see it's state.) |
| 22:26.18 | NDeb | karlpinc: OK |
| 22:26.27 | karlpinc | NDeb: Really running debian or is this raspbian? |
| 22:26.38 | NDeb | Debian |
| 22:27.03 | NDeb | And it is not in ip addr |
| 22:27.12 | karlpinc | NDeb: Cool. Is this a rasperry pi? |
| 22:27.36 | karlpinc | NDeb: I always break down and type "ifconfig". But I know there's a "ip" command that does this.... |
| 22:28.01 | karlpinc | NDeb: It wouldn't have an addr if it's bridged. Perhaps "ip link". |
| 22:28.08 | NDeb | ifconfig does not list it either. :P |
| 22:28.45 | NDeb | Wait |
| 22:28.49 | NDeb | facepalm |
| 22:28.57 | NDeb | I did bro instead of br0 |
| 22:29.23 | karlpinc | NDeb: Outdone by over-hipness. ;-) |
| 22:29.28 | Azrael_- | no comment :) |
| 22:29.34 | NDeb | It still isn't working though. :P |
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| 22:30.03 | lluis | hello |
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| 22:30.53 | karlpinc | NDeb: Does it say it's bridged? |
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| 22:31.26 | lluis | i noticed my laptop is getting hotter and i checked dmesg and i got this: https://paste.debian.net/403976/ |
| 22:31.44 | lluis | im using debian 8 updated |
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| 22:31.58 | noahmg123 | NDeb here on my phone. I decided to restart Network Manager now no networks work. :P |
| 22:32.10 | noahmg123 | Might as well restart. |
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| 22:33.20 | entourage | I'm new to Debian. What is the equivalent of "windows update" in Debian?? |
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| 22:34.27 | noahmg123 | Nothing really. I would think only a whole distro upgrade |
| 22:34.28 | karlpinc | entourage: I don't know what "windows update" does. But probably you want "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade" |
| 22:35.01 | karlpinc | entourage: To upgrade to the next debian major release you want to follow the instructions in the release notes at debian.org. |
| 22:35.04 | noahmg123 | karlpinc: I now realize I think he means simple package updates as well |
| 22:35.33 | noahmg123 | Windows Update is where you get minor updates in between releases |
| 22:35.39 | entourage | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Update |
| 22:35.57 | karlpinc | entourage: (Depending on whether you use apt-get or aptitude. Some prefer one, some the other. I like aptitude because if you remove packages you automatically remove other stuff that was installed to support the removed packages.) |
| 22:36.37 | karlpinc | entourage: As a rule, because apt-get and aptitude work slightly differently, it's better to stick with one or the other when installing/removing/updating packages. |
| 22:36.43 | entourage | Is there a graphical method that doesn't involve the terminal?? |
| 22:36.57 | TomTomTosch | entourage, if you want a gui you can use synaptic. |
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| 22:37.10 | noahmg123 | TomTomTosch: true |
| 22:37.18 | TomTomTosch | entourage, it's an interface to aptitude. |
| 22:37.22 | sine0 | fresh install of debian stable would like the have nvidia drivers over the nouvou. what do i need to apt-get folks |
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| 22:37.30 | entourage | how do I use synaptic to update my system? |
| 22:38.00 | karlpinc | entourage: You can also install the "unattended-upgrade" package and minor upgrades happen automatically. |
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| 22:38.34 | karlpinc | !tell sine0 about nvidia |
| 22:38.47 | noahmg123 | Ok. I screwed up. I restarted NetworkManager and now I cannot connect to anything. |
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| 22:39.21 | TomTomTosch | entourage, synaptic has a function to get all updates and then apply them. i don't know the exact terms as i have a differen localisation installed. |
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| 22:39.23 | karlpinc | noahmg123: I hate to say it, but maybe the big hammer and reboot? |
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| 22:39.32 | noahmg123 | I rebooted |
| 22:39.39 | r6ku | entourage: reload, mark all upgrades, apply |
| 22:40.09 | entourage | I wan't to switch to Debian but without an easy way to keep the system up to date I'll be forced to stay on Windows :( |
| 22:40.26 | quantic | entourage: Are you kidding me? |
| 22:40.38 | TomTomTosch | entourage, fair enough. |
| 22:40.43 | karlpinc | entourage: Install the unattened-upgrade package and let it happen automatatically then. |
| 22:40.52 | noahmg123 | My wifi card appears in the GNOME "panel" thingy in the top corner, but it is not in the WiFi settings. |
| 22:41.03 | karlpinc | unattended-upgrades |
| 22:41.07 | entourage | karlpinc: I don't even know what that is so how can I install it? |
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| 22:41.34 | jmcnaught | entourage: if you're using the default Gnome desktop you can also use the "package updater" application (which will notify you automatically when updates are available) |
| 22:41.47 | karlpinc | entourage: I think the installer will ask you about it when you install. But, it's a debian package. You install it like any other debian package. |
| 22:41.56 | karlpinc | entourage: Perhaps you need these factoids. |
| 22:42.02 | karlpinc | !tell entourage about overview |
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| 22:42.11 | karlpinc | !tell entourage about grounding |
| 22:42.18 | karlpinc | !tell entourage about dontbreakdebian |
| 22:42.46 | noahmg123 | karlpinc: ^^ |
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| 22:43.42 | karlpinc | noahmg123: I can't say about network manager. I hear it breaks things, or has in the past, and does not play nice with the interfaces file. But that may have changed. |
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| 22:45.06 | jmcnaught | noahmg123: interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces will be unmanaged by NetworkManager, did you put your wifi interface in that file? |
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| 22:45.29 | Delf | !tell me about overview |
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| 22:45.47 | noahmg123 | karlpinc: Yeah apparently wlan0 wasn't even in my interfaces file. When I restarted NetworkManager it took on that and stopped my wlan0. :p |
| 22:45.51 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: Perhaps you can help him. He wants to bridge his wifi and make a hotspot. His mobile device seems to be getting an IP, but no connection. |
| 22:45.53 | SuperTramp83 | I have a non-technical question: **on average** how much time does it take to Debian to fix security flows? |
| 22:46.14 | Delf | !tell me about grounding |
| 22:46.25 | nkuttler | !tell Delf about selftell |
| 22:46.33 | noahmg123 | jmcnaught: do I just have to put "iface wlan0" or do I have to do more? |
| 22:46.34 | Azrael_- | then the routing is probably faulty |
| 22:47.00 | karlpinc | SuperTramp83: Very hard to answer. Some fixes are high priority and happevn verry fast. Some go through a long testing pipeline. It's not really sensible to conflate the two with a single "average". |
| 22:47.07 | jmcnaught | noahmg123: it depends, if you want NetworkManager to manage the interface, then you do not want it configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:47.34 | SuperTramp83 | karlpinc: true. good answer |
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| 22:48.04 | karlpinc | SuperTramp83: Much better than my other answer. Which is "I've totally no clue." :-) |
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| 22:48.18 | SuperTramp83 | hehe :) |
| 22:48.31 | karlpinc | SuperTramp83: I'm sure there's stats somewhere. Perhaps in UDD. |
| 22:48.37 | SuperTramp83 | I'm very familiar with that kind of answer |
| 22:48.44 | noahmg123 | jmcnaught: It was working before I restarted NetworkManager. What what happening then? |
| 22:49.01 | schloppfoffel | do you mean security flaws or known security flaws ? |
| 22:49.14 | SuperTramp83 | known, schloppfoffel |
| 22:49.21 | SuperTramp83 | know sec flaws |
| 22:49.42 | axc1298 | can someone with access to debian wiki do something about the lxqt page? it currently instructs users to add non-debian repos to install the desktop environment. i couldn't make an account. https://wiki.debian.org/LXQt |
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| 22:50.47 | jmcnaught | noahmg123: i don't know, i haven't used the "use as hotspot" feature in networkmanager. You could look for errors in the journal with "journalctl -b 0 -u NetworkManager" |
| 22:51.46 | AbortRetryFail | karlpinc/markybob: thanks for the input. I was hoping there would be a way to do a direct upgrade from 5.x -> 8.x. Wipe it is! :) |
| 22:52.28 | jmcnaught | axc1298: you can email the debian-www@lists.debian.org list if you're having trouble making an account on the wiki |
| 22:52.36 | TomTomTosch | axc1298, i don't think there is a better option yet. it says that it will be replaced by http://lxqt.debian.net |
| 22:53.09 | nkuttler | TomTomTosch: still, it should not be recommended to install third party packages without a stern warning |
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| 22:53.42 | TomTomTosch | nkuttler, true, but it's not uncommon in the wiki. |
| 22:53.43 | nkuttler | but i can't log into the wiki either.. |
| 22:53.48 | jmcnaught | i think it's more concerning that the NvidiaGraphicsDrivers page currently has instructions for installing using the nvidia installer and the steam/valve apt repos |
| 22:53.57 | nkuttler | TomTomTosch: that's what's good about wikis, everybody can fix their content |
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| 22:54.39 | axc1298 | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 22:54.51 | TomTomTosch | heh true, don't get me wrong, i'm not against it. |
| 22:56.22 | noahmg123 | I got it working now. |
| 22:56.49 | jmcnaught | axc1298: https://wiki.debian.org/LXQt what do you think? |
| 22:56.56 | jmcnaught | noahmg123: what fixed it? |
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| 22:57.33 | noahmg123 | jmcnaught: setting managed to true in NetworkManager's config. |
| 22:58.31 | axc1298 | jmcnaught: looks good |
| 22:58.46 | axc1298 | :) |
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| 23:03.59 | jmcnaught | i just added similar warnings to https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and noticed it sent update notifications to a bunch of people. what i really wanted to do was remove the instructions to use the nvidia installer, but it seems from the history that someone is pretty committed to those being there |
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| 23:13.06 | TomTomTosch | nice, I like it. |
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| 23:21.31 | TomTomTosch | jmcnaught, added it to the spotify page too and will do so whenever i remember. https://wiki.debian.org/spotify |
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| 23:29.36 | jmcnaught | TomTomTosch: cool. if only we could wave a magic wand and fix all the blogs and forum posts instructing people to do dangerous stuff like that |
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| 23:31.30 | TomTomTosch | ah well, we do what we can :3 |
| 23:32.09 | nkuttler | jmcnaught: sounds doable.. just need to grep all pages for deb url patterns.. |
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| 23:35.03 | axc1298 | yeah, for any of the debian-based distro names |
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| 23:36.48 | jmcnaught | i sometimes add comments to particularly dangerous instructions (like the one i saw for upgrading to python 3 on debian which involved rm -rf /usr/lib/python* and then compiling from source) |
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| 23:37.27 | nkuttler | jmcnaught: woah.. who writes such stuff.. |
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| 23:45.51 | simonlnu | wtf |
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| 23:59.07 | Azrael_- | what is the standard fs in jessie? |
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| 23:59.58 | TomTomTosch | Azrael_-, ext4 is a good choice. |
