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| 00:00.23 | TomTomTosch | Azrael_-, but it rather depends on your needs. |
| 00:00.46 | Azrael_- | ok, then i'm fine. for me it's very rare to use the standard installer and with debootstrap i just predefine it :) |
| 00:01.50 | Azrael_- | lamp-server with lots of files and some databases. a lot files are small and recovery in case of a desaster should be fast (journal and rarely checkups) |
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| 00:03.28 | Azrael_- | any better suggestions than ext4? |
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| 00:04.52 | TomTomTosch | Azrael_-, Btrfs is nice with software raid and snapshots. it's not considered stable though and installation can be tricky sometimes. |
| 00:05.48 | markybob | Azrael_-: yeah, i tried a few days back. btrfs with encryption lvm did not go well |
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| 00:06.57 | abrotman | Azrael_-: the standard FS is ext4. No one can suggest another because you'll have to test with your own workload. Wikipedia has several articles about linux filesystems, and many websites have various benchmarkings. Only your own testing will show which is "best". |
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| 00:07.14 | Azrael_- | ok, thanks |
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| 00:07.40 | Azrael_- | will then stick to ext4 as i don't really have time to evaluate it completely |
| 00:07.57 | TomTomTosch | nothing wrong with that. |
| 00:08.33 | abrotman | Azrael_-: That's a reasonable answer. And in most workload cases, that's just fine |
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| 00:13.38 | f0ff | Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-18+deb8u3) ... |
| 00:13.38 | f0ff | /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/local/lib/libguile-2.2.so.0.0.0-gdb.scm is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
| 00:13.38 | f0ff | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.43 | f0ff | is that a bug? |
| 00:15.23 | f0ff | guile seems a bit weird though so maybe it is doing nonstandard things :P |
| 00:15.39 | abrotman | That you've got something in /usr/local/ ? |
| 00:16.37 | f0ff | no apt complains that a scheme source file is not not a binary :P |
| 00:16.44 | abrotman | Right, but it's not a Debian file |
| 00:16.51 | markybob | f0ff: whatever you put in /usr/local isn't supported |
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| 00:20.00 | markybob | f0ff: you know jessie has 2.0.11 which is the latest release available? you didn't need to go outside |
| 00:20.59 | f0ff | i guess i did it for shit and giggles i guess... |
| 00:21.07 | markybob | f0ff: that's what you get |
| 00:21.20 | f0ff | after trying it out i reinstalled mit-scheme :P |
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| 00:23.21 | f0ff | nice to have the whole implementation on disk though.. i might give it another go later.. just thought it was strange that apt/ldconfig complained about the scheme file |
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| 00:32.17 | PinkFreud | waves |
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| 00:33.09 | PinkFreud | hey folks. I'm attempting to figure out how to use the linux-image dbg package to debug a module that causes my netbook to hang. |
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| 00:33.47 | PinkFreud | I've figured out which module is causing the hang, so now I'd like to figure out what exactly is killing my netbook in the module. |
| 00:34.13 | PinkFreud | There doesn't seem to be much by way of documentation on how to accomplish this, though. |
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| 00:39.29 | quantic | 692436 |
| 00:39.54 | jeezy | yeah |
| 00:40.02 | f0ff | i think that is a number |
| 00:40.07 | quantic | lol |
| 00:40.10 | quantic | stupid RSA soft token |
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| 00:49.46 | PinkFreud | bleh. no idea on how to debug a module which is causing a system hang on loading? |
| 00:51.12 | JeremyE77 | This a bit of an aside. Does anyone know what software Debian proper uses for their Mailing List Manager? |
| 00:52.25 | gonegone | anyone else still running wheezy? im wiping out jessie now cant stand it |
| 00:52.28 | JeremyE77 | erp found it |
| 00:52.34 | gonegone | hopefully lts gets extended |
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| 00:53.03 | abrotman | extended for what? |
| 00:53.08 | dvs | gonegone: whats wrong with Jessie? |
| 00:53.10 | gonegone | another 2 years |
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| 00:53.23 | abrotman | you mean LTS? that's generally limited to a core set of packages |
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| 00:54.30 | abrotman | Still doesn't answer what's "wrong" with jessie |
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| 00:55.01 | TomTomTosch | or spend a penny and help the LTS project, makes your requests rise in priority :3 |
| 00:58.39 | TomTomTosch | abrotman, i don't think he found a good equivalent to windows updates yet. |
| 00:59.27 | abrotman | Humor is not on your side .. |
| 00:59.27 | quantic | TomTomTosch: We'll write a script that updates 10% of the time, freezes 85% of the time, and wipes a random directory 5% of the time. Should be familiar enough for a Windows user. |
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| 01:00.07 | TomTomTosch | it's what he ranted about earlier. what do i know. |
| 01:00.44 | gonegone | do i need to change my repos to wheezy-lts? |
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| 01:01.09 | quantic | gonegone: I think the question is still "why." |
| 01:01.27 | gonegone | quantic i think the answer is kiss my ass |
| 01:01.36 | gonegone | i don't need to justify shit |
| 01:01.44 | TomTomTosch | indeed. |
| 01:02.07 | TomTomTosch | you can't downgrade to wheezy from jessie. you need a new install. |
| 01:02.21 | gonegone | i never said i was trying to do something so absurd |
| 01:02.23 | quantic | gonegone: Yup. Have fun with your reinstall. |
| 01:02.31 | gonegone | already finished moron |
| 01:02.33 | quantic | Twerp. |
| 01:03.01 | gonegone | Faggot. |
| 01:03.17 | f0ff | yay 4chan |
| 01:03.41 | f0ff | get laid retards |
| 01:03.45 | f0ff | :P |
| 01:03.51 | gonegone | lol |
| 01:04.35 | gonegone | they thought I was trying to change repos and roll back to wheezy rofl |
| 01:04.44 | gonegone | fucking morons |
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| 01:05.24 | dvs | ah Bastin |
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| 01:08.33 | f0ff | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.41 | f0ff | lol |
| 01:08.44 | dvs | !quit |
| 01:08.44 | dpkg | try /quit |
| 01:08.54 | f0ff | nice bot :P |
| 01:08.57 | f0ff | haha |
| 01:09.40 | f0ff | i'm drunk as hell and i can't take it anymore! |
| 01:10.15 | markybob | that explains it |
| 01:10.25 | f0ff | computers are fun though |
| 01:10.30 | f0ff | love debian |
| 01:10.54 | f0ff | dunno if this is dev channel but a proper dist it be |
| 01:11.15 | dvs | f0ff: it's a support channel |
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| 01:15.41 | Azrael_- | i've got multiple debian-systems, starting from squeeze to jessie. what is my best option if i want to use bacula to backup all of them and use some of them (also different releases) as storage or director? (i'm concerned regarding the different versions and potential problems) |
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| 01:20.17 | f0ff | sayonara! |
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| 01:23.24 | TomTomTosch | Azrael_-: bacula is the same version on squeeze-backports, wheezy and jessie. |
| 01:24.13 | Azrael_- | hmmm, sounds interesting |
| 01:24.18 | Azrael_- | thanks for the hint |
| 01:24.51 | Azrael_- | currently i'm using rsnapshot (ssh+rsync) but the synching takes more and more time and i hope i could reduce the load with bacula |
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| 01:25.54 | TomTomTosch | no idea, i do my backups with tar and ssh :3 |
| 01:26.16 | dvs | luddite! ;-) |
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| 01:27.35 | dvs | Azrael_-: More and more time? I thought old backups were erased. |
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| 01:33.11 | Azrael_- | dvs: yes, ofc. but the disk load is still some effort when reading and comparing the source+destination files by rsync to determine wether something has to be transferred or not |
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| 01:34.09 | Azrael_- | so even if only a few mb have to be transferred for the next incremental backup, it still takes 2-3 hours to go over all machines |
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| 01:34.49 | dvs | Azrael_-: Oh, how many machines? |
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| 01:35.11 | Azrael_- | in total its about 10 machines, some physical, some virtual |
| 01:35.12 | ryanzc | hello |
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| 01:36.08 | ryanzc | I'm a little new here...... basically im trying to figure out how to install the real firefox from the downloaded files from mozilla |
| 01:36.20 | Azrael_- | 2 physical xen-hosts with several vms and one lonely dedicated worker. the xen-hosts backup each other and the lonely worker |
| 01:36.26 | dvs | !tell ryanzc about mdn |
| 01:37.17 | ryanzc | mdn? |
| 01:37.30 | r6ku | ryanzc: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 01:37.39 | dvs | ryanzc: dpkg sent you a message |
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| 01:38.43 | Azrael_- | dvs: any suggestions? |
| 01:38.52 | dvs | none from me |
| 01:39.43 | ryanzc | I couldnt reply i dont think |
| 01:40.16 | ryanzc | Basically I'm picky, and would rather use Firefox......even though Iceweasel is the same thing |
| 01:40.24 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:40.39 | r6ku | ryanzc: deal with it |
| 01:40.43 | dvs | good luck with that |
| 01:41.02 | ryanzc | I know.....thats what I'm basically doing lol |
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| 01:41.49 | ryanzc | I mean I can run firefox from the downloaded file, it just isnt installed exactly |
| 01:42.55 | ryanzc | thanks for the suggestions though |
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| 01:43.13 | TomTomTosch | glad it will be renamed soon. |
| 01:43.27 | dvs | 2 wat |
| 01:43.38 | TomTomTosch | to firefox. |
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| 01:43.57 | dvs | They're easing restrictions? |
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| 01:44.37 | markybob | they eased it a long time ago. didn't know debian was going to go with it though... TomTomTosch sure? link? |
| 01:45.23 | TomTomTosch | gimme a minute to search for something official. |
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| 01:46.18 | TomTomTosch | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 |
| 01:46.20 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/815006 in iceweasel (open): «Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-17; last modified: 2016-02-19. |
| 01:46.58 | ryanzc | oh firefox? |
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| 01:47.23 | TomTomTosch | ryanzc, iceweasel is still firefox. |
| 01:48.21 | markybob | TomTomTosch: doesn't look like a done deal |
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| 01:48.37 | markybob | TomTomTosch: that bug report is pretty crazy |
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| 01:52.43 | TomTomTosch | Ah, might be. I've just seen it pasted all over the place for a few days. |
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| 01:59.27 | bloatWare | hello all |
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| 01:59.51 | dvs | hello Windows |
| 02:00.09 | bloatWare | i'm new to debian and i've been having some problems trying to install mysql |
| 02:01.12 | bloatWare | i keep getting: "Depends: mysql-server-5.5 but it's not going to be installed" |
| 02:01.33 | bloatWare | "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages |
| 02:02.12 | markybob | bloatWare: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net |
| 02:02.47 | dvs | markybob: But the error says that packages are being held intentionally |
| 02:03.21 | markybob | dvs: damn you're right. i missed that line somehow |
| 02:03.52 | dvs | markybob: O-O |
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| 02:08.15 | bloatWare | pastebin.com/TZcF1VBZ |
| 02:08.35 | bloatWare | http://www.pastebin.com/TZcF1VBZ |
| 02:09.08 | dvs | ok, then there's that. |
| 02:09.16 | markybob | bloatWare: see the problem is you only have updates. not the normal jessie line |
| 02:09.40 | karlpinc | bloatware: You want to remove the line for the cdrom as well. (Because you don't want to have to have it in the drive all the time. And it's old.) |
| 02:09.49 | markybob | !sources.list |
| 02:09.50 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 02:09.57 | markybob | bloatWare: do that ^ |
| 02:10.14 | bloatWare | damn, but it came like that from the install. how could it be? |
| 02:10.25 | markybob | bloatWare: no it didn't |
| 02:10.43 | dvs | markybob: Sure, from a full CD image |
| 02:10.49 | karlpinc | bloatWare: Also, you probably don't want to use MySQL but use MariaDB instead. It's 100% compatible in Jessie and MySQL will be droppped going forward. |
| 02:11.04 | karlpinc | bloatWare: It's because you installed from cd instead of the recommended netinstall. |
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| 02:11.27 | markybob | dvs: it asks for you to set a mirror and sets it properly. i wasn't talking about the cdrom source |
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| 02:11.58 | bloatWare | i also tried mariadb |
| 02:12.16 | markybob | bloatWare: you won't get anything until you set the sources as the bot told you |
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| 02:12.32 | markybob | bloatWare: only having updates gives you basically nothing to be able to update to |
| 02:12.52 | karlpinc | !httpredir |
| 02:12.52 | dpkg | Apt sources using http://httpredir.debian.org/ (or http://http.debian.net/) fail for many people. If you're one of them, just use http://ftp.XX.debian.org/ where XX is your (or a nearby) country code. |
| 02:12.55 | bloatWare | ok, thanks! |
| 02:12.56 | karlpinc | ^^ just in case |
| 02:13.02 | bloatWare | i'll put those in |
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| 02:13.29 | bloatWare | i shouldn't have any problems just manually writing to the file right? |
| 02:13.38 | karlpinc | Right. |
| 02:13.40 | Ozzie_001 | Hi. |
| 02:13.49 | markybob | bloatWare: right. pastebin it before you apt-get update so we can check |
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| 02:16.56 | Ozzie_001 | Anyone knows how to see (Ctrl+L) a youtube video in 360p? I enter the url and the video streams in 720p. |
| 02:18.02 | markybob | Ozzie_001: you click on the wheel and click on the resolution you want |
| 02:18.24 | markybob | Ozzie_001: it's on the bottom right of the video |
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| 02:19.19 | Ozzie_001 | Sorry. This is in Totem: Anyone knows how to see (Ctrl+L) a youtube video in 360p? I enter the url and the video streams in 720p. |
| 02:19.47 | markybob | totem. well then i have no idea. i use xfce |
| 02:19.59 | karlpinc | markybob: totem is a player |
| 02:20.00 | bloatWare | oops, just saw ur last msg and already ran update and upgrade |
| 02:20.10 | karlpinc | bloatWare: It's probably fine |
| 02:20.16 | Ozzie_001 | markybob tks I forgot to say. |
| 02:20.28 | markybob | karlpinc: thanks. i know that |
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| 02:22.07 | karlpinc | bloatWare: You may also be interested in this.... |
| 02:22.14 | karlpinc | !tell bloatWare about mark and paste |
| 02:22.25 | dooglus | I was here a few days ago asking about a possible issue with the synaptics touchpad driver and an intermittantly failing left-click button |
| 02:22.40 | dooglus | turns out the touchpad ribbon connector lock was open... |
| 02:22.53 | karlpinc | dooglus: That'll do it. |
| 02:23.26 | bloatWare | MY GOD. u guys are life savers! |
| 02:23.29 | bloatWare | thanks |
| 02:23.32 | dooglus | are these things put together by hand? I'm surpriused they would forget a step in the build |
| 02:24.31 | karlpinc | bloatWare: Don't forget to "update" now and then to pick up security updates. |
| 02:25.01 | bloatWare | i wonder how i got the sources list to have only updates |
| 02:25.37 | bloatWare | TBH, i tried using mysql ppa and removed it afterwards, but i was having the same problems before |
| 02:25.48 | karlpinc | bloatWare: Either you didn't select a mirror, or the installer figures that since you installed from CD that you don't want to use a mirror. Probably the former. |
| 02:26.05 | dvs | bloatWare: Not specifying a local mirror during install? |
| 02:26.10 | karlpinc | bloatWare: ppas are ungood. See the <dontbreakdebian> and <overview> factoids. |
| 02:26.33 | bloatWare | yeah, i think i didn't choose one |
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| 02:27.02 | bloatWare | it was a while ago, but it's a VM so i dont use it much |
| 02:27.11 | Ozzie_001 | This is in Totem, video player: Anyone knows how to see (Ctrl+L) a Youtube video in 360p? I enter the url and the video streams in 720p. |
| 02:27.16 | karlpinc | dooglus: How did you ever figure it out? |
| 02:27.41 | zykotick9 | bloatWare: if you install without a network connection, you get that broken sources.list with only updates enabled... |
| 02:27.43 | karlpinc | Ozzie_001: Have you read the totem manual? Maybe the answer is in there. |
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| 02:28.22 | Ozzie_001 | karlpinc I did, the manpage. I dont see anything. |
| 02:28.23 | karlpinc | zykotick9: Ah. I wondered. We get this problem here off and on. |
| 02:28.55 | karlpinc | Ozzie_001: Maybe it won't do it? Does totem have a faq somewhere? See also the readme.debian. (Although the latter is unlikely.) |
| 02:29.02 | karlpinc | !tell Ozzie_001 about readme.debian |
| 02:29.49 | karlpinc | Ozzie_001: Is there a menu that comes up when you press the right mouse button or something? |
| 02:30.31 | Ozzie_001 | karlpinc: No menu. |
| 02:31.06 | karlpinc | Ozzie_001: I don't suppose they have an irc channel, or better yet a mailing list with archives you can search through? |
| 02:31.12 | TomTomTosch | Ozzie_001, can i ask you how you enabled the youtube plugin in debian jessie? |
| 02:32.13 | r6ku | Ozzie_001: totem is a gnome 3 application, so you might find better help at #gnome |
| 02:32.53 | Ozzie_001 | TomTomTosch: I'm in wheezy. No plugin. Just Crtl+L the url of the video, but streams it in 720p. |
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| 02:33.48 | Ozzie_001 | r6ku: I'll ask there too. |
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| 02:40.52 | thunderbird1 | It shown a prompt message"running in software rendering mode" ,when I installed debian complete. |
| 02:41.18 | thunderbird1 | how to solve |
| 02:41.38 | somiaj | thunderbird1: sounds like this is for video drivers? What video card do you have? |
| 02:42.29 | karlpinc | thunderbird1: You will need to supply more detail if you want a helpful answer. If you would prefer help in another language tell us the language and we may be able to direct you to a better channel. |
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| 02:48.16 | bloatWare | so, what about the Mint, eh? |
| 02:48.58 | bloatWare | damn wordpress plugins |
| 02:49.13 | karlpinc | bloatWare: That'd be for #debian-offtopic |
| 02:49.22 | bloatWare | oops sorry haha |
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| 02:56.05 | stratum | Anyone know the name of a program which will let me replay video files frame-by-frame? possibly with some basic image enhancement features |
| 02:57.24 | karlpinc | stratum: Sounds like you want video editor sort of functionality. No clue but I like debtags for search. |
| 02:57.31 | karlpinc | !tell stratum about search |
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| 03:29.59 | JordiGH | My /etc/passwd says "15852" in the field right after my encrypted password. According to shadow(5), that's the date when I last changed my password, measured as days since the epoch. But this puts the date at November 2013. I reinstalled this computer with jessie, in 2015. What am I missing? |
| 03:32.43 | lime_ | Hi i am trying to copy the root folder to another harddrive, with the cp command and it is been an hour now and it is still not finished |
| 03:33.03 | JordiGH | That doesn't sound too crazy. |
| 03:33.18 | JordiGH | Especially if the other hard drive is an external hard drive you're accessing over USB or something like it. |
| 03:33.25 | lime_ | the total installation is around 3GB i think |
| 03:33.52 | lime_ | it is two virtual hardrives on virtualbox |
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| 03:34.22 | JordiGH | Why don't you check atop or something like it to make sure that there really is hard drive activity? |
| 03:34.49 | JordiGH | Wait, you're not copying over virtual filesystems, are you? |
| 03:34.59 | lime_ | yes :) |
| 03:35.05 | JordiGH | Like /proc? |
| 03:35.14 | JordiGH | Are you copying /proc over? |
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| 03:35.33 | JordiGH | Or /sys ? |
| 03:35.37 | lime_ | i am copying the whole root |
| 03:35.47 | dvs | hopefully not "/dev/urandom"!! |
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| 03:35.53 | JordiGH | Haha, or that. |
| 03:35.55 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 03:36.41 | lime_ | i am doing it on a clone of the actual system, if it does not work i can just delete the whole clone installation |
| 03:37.09 | JordiGH | lime_: If our calculations are correct, you have been filling up the target with /dev/random or /dev/zero or some other sort of infinite nonsense. |
| 03:37.30 | lime_ | aha |
| 03:37.52 | lime_ | i am trying to do this |
| 03:37.52 | lime_ | http://askubuntu.com/questions/54217/move-the-whole-installed-files-to-another-partition |
| 03:38.29 | lime_ | i want to move root to a temprary virtual hd and then make the partition changes and then move it all back into seperate partitions |
| 03:39.00 | JordiGH | Did you follow those instructions? |
| 03:39.07 | lime_ | yes |
| 03:40.30 | TomTomTosch | JordiGH, you mean /etc/shadow ? /etc/passwd had the user ID and group ID. |
| 03:41.21 | TomTomTosch | JordiGH, if it's indeed the aging, then yes, 15852 would be somewhere late 2013. |
| 03:41.23 | JordiGH | TomTomTosch: Yes, I meant /etc/shadow. Weird, I just changed my password and /etc/shadow updated to the current date. I wonder if when creating a user Debian somehow just picks some arbitrary date in the past. I don't think I've changed my password since installation. |
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| 03:42.22 | JordiGH | lime_: I don't know what's going on. At a glance, those instructions are reasonable. |
| 03:42.57 | lime_ | ok if we assume that they are correct how long would it take approx? |
| 03:43.07 | TomTomTosch | JordiGH, maybe your system clock was set wrong at installation. no idea though, mine has the correct date me thinks. |
| 03:43.43 | lime_ | i know it is hard to say exactly but will it take like a day? for one hour i am still att the usr folder |
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| 03:44.50 | Eldereliable | hi, anyone can tell me how to add 3rd Parties Repos? |
| 03:44.56 | lime_ | that was the first question i had, the second is that sometimes the copying stops and i have to push the arrow keys, do i have to do this or will it resume copying after a while if i dont press these keys |
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| 03:45.24 | TomTomTosch | Eldereliable, what repo is that? |
| 03:45.32 | dvs | !iyhtays Eldereliable |
| 03:45.32 | dpkg | Eldereliable: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 03:45.33 | JordiGH | lime_: An hour is already starting to sound long for 3 GB. |
| 03:46.19 | JordiGH | Eldereliable: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian |
| 03:47.18 | JordiGH | Eldereliable: But if you will not be dissuaded, you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list or you can add new repos in subdirectories of /etc/apt |
| 03:47.54 | lime_ | ok i will let it go doe a little while longer and if it is not finished i try something else thank you |
| 03:48.49 | lime_ | btw regarding that te copying stops after a while is there someway i can do this without having to press the arrowkeys now and then to keep ip copying |
| 03:49.13 | lime_ | it* |
| 03:49.35 | somiaj | lime_: what command are you using to copy? |
| 03:49.58 | lime_ | cp -prvT |
| 03:50.07 | somiaj | lime_: rsync may serve better |
| 03:50.25 | lime_ | ok |
| 03:50.48 | lime_ | but will cp -prvT keep on going if i dont press the arrow keys once a while |
| 03:50.53 | somiaj | rsync will have similar options, I would just use rsync -av (but I'd also use cp -a [unsure how that differes from the options listed in the guide] |
| 03:51.31 | somiaj | lime_: cp should run until the copy is completed unless something breaks it. |
| 03:51.40 | lime_ | ok |
| 03:51.55 | lime_ | does it restart when i press the arrowkeys maybe |
| 03:52.17 | dsockwell | No. |
| 03:52.23 | somiaj | rsync is just a fancy copy. |
| 03:52.24 | lime_ | it runs for 5 mins then it stops, and when i press the arrowkey it continues |
| 03:52.48 | somiaj | lime_: I don't know what pressing the arrow keys would do for copy. |
| 03:52.50 | dsockwell | what do you mean it stops |
| 03:53.03 | JordiGH | Huh, TIL that "who am I" works similarly to "whoami". |
| 03:53.07 | somiaj | what do you mean press the arrow key? Like press the up arrow and then run the command again. |
| 03:53.22 | dsockwell | what terminal emulator are you using? |
| 03:53.43 | somiaj | JordiGH: intersting, I actually get more output from who am i |
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| 03:54.05 | dsockwell | im going to try this |
| 03:54.05 | JordiGH | somiaj: Oh, yes, it's also optional to capitalise "I". |
| 03:54.30 | JordiGH | somiaj: This actually is POSIX. |
| 03:54.33 | Eldereliable | i would know that, but from http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ i don't know what to do with this add, #Universidade Federal do Paraná - UFPR |
| 03:54.34 | Eldereliable | ftp://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/dists/squeeze/contrib/ |
| 03:54.37 | lime_ | the coping feeds alla the paths like this/folder/thisfile -> another/folder/thisfile |
| 03:54.50 | lime_ | but after a while the feed stops |
| 03:55.03 | markybob | Eldereliable: that's not supported |
| 03:55.03 | lime_ | i am using ResureceCD and the default shell |
| 03:55.43 | dsockwell | http://pastebin.com/MEEBYrV2 |
| 03:56.03 | abrotman | Don't use debgen |
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| 03:56.28 | dsockwell | lime_: am i doing it the way you are? |
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| 03:57.40 | TomTomTosch | man, that tool is broken. it puts testing stuff in jessie sources. |
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| 04:00.02 | dsockwell | lime_: http://pastebin.com/Fiv6aKDd |
| 04:00.16 | dsockwell | arrow keys at 'cp -v' runtime don't change the outcome |
| 04:00.40 | lime_ | yes exactly |
| 04:01.00 | dsockwell | it got through 3 files before i pressed anything |
| 04:01.10 | dsockwell | all it does is make the screen ugly |
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| 04:01.47 | dsockwell | you dont need to sit and drive a long 'cp' op :> |
| 04:01.53 | dsockwell | you can leave the terminal |
| 04:02.20 | lime_ | when i press it when it is running, then it doesnet happen anything, but when it have stopped i can press the arrow keys and it continues |
| 04:02.41 | dsockwell | cp never stops |
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| 04:02.49 | dsockwell | it might take longer to copy a larger file |
| 04:02.57 | dsockwell | but it never pauses and waits for the user |
| 04:02.59 | dsockwell | ever |
| 04:03.37 | dsockwell | you are imagining this or else you have some kind of CPU or disk blocking issue that also shouldn't exist |
| 04:04.02 | lime_ | ok i cancled it with ctrl c can i continue someway |
| 04:04.19 | somiaj | with rsync, cp doesn't support figuring out where to continue |
| 04:04.26 | lime_ | ok |
| 04:04.30 | dsockwell | how large are the individual files you are copying? |
| 04:04.33 | dsockwell | is this over a network mount? |
| 04:05.10 | lime_ | i am copying the whole root |
| 04:05.25 | lime_ | its is between two virtual disks on virtual box |
| 04:05.28 | dsockwell | that is going to take forever no matter what keys you press |
| 04:05.56 | lime_ | haha ok, like a whole day? |
| 04:06.02 | dsockwell | maybe a couple hours |
| 04:06.07 | dsockwell | depending |
| 04:06.16 | lime_ | ok i see |
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| 04:08.21 | lime_ | can i do it faster somehow |
| 04:08.26 | TomTomTosch | still thinks it's a better idea to use rsync and exclude a few dirs |
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| 04:08.47 | MeatHammer | Hey all, I wrote a bash script to spoof your MAC and HOSTNAME on the fly, no rebooots no login. Y'all requested comments and references so here it is: http://pastebin.com/mrAsM7YW Thanks to everyone who helped out! cc: jmcnaught: TomTomTosch: |
| 04:08.48 | dsockwell | rsync is probably the best tool to use |
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| 04:10.57 | dsockwell | MeatHammer: you're depending on NetworkManager which most people who would use this hate |
| 04:11.28 | TomTomTosch | MeatHammer, i see you got around your issue :) |
| 04:11.40 | dsockwell | can you access your wireless card's MAC through iwconfig or ip? |
| 04:11.55 | karlpinc | dsockwell: Dunno. rsync is easy to get wrong. cp is often fine. |
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| 04:12.51 | dsockwell | MeatHammer: is it important that this be in Bash? I would have tried Python first |
| 04:13.24 | MeatHammer | dsockwell: you what # does in a bash script? you can try it out :) |
| 04:13.27 | karlpinc | dsockwell: Or tar -czf - ... | ssh "tar -xz ...." |
| 04:13.37 | MeatHammer | TomTomTosch: yes thanks! |
| 04:13.57 | MeatHammer | dsockwell: Im a newb, I like bash. |
| 04:14.14 | TomTomTosch | nothing wrong with that. |
| 04:14.18 | karlpinc | dsockwell: Yes. I think ive seen the mac via iwconfig. |
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| 04:14.28 | dsockwell | reading is one thing |
| 04:14.30 | dsockwell | but can you change it? |
| 04:14.35 | dsockwell | well |
| 04:14.40 | dsockwell | i guess you're calling out to macchanger |
| 04:14.48 | dsockwell | which ought to do that for you |
| 04:15.16 | dsockwell | why are you changing the hostname? |
| 04:15.29 | dsockwell | is it to get a new dhcp lease? |
| 04:16.01 | MeatHammer | dsockwell: privacy |
| 04:16.11 | dsockwell | don't bullshit me |
| 04:16.15 | dsockwell | i know what this is for |
| 04:16.34 | dsockwell | but it matters what service you're trying to lie to |
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| 04:16.45 | dsockwell | if it's dhcp you can override what dhcp hostname you claim to be |
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| 04:16.52 | dsockwell | without changing your whole system |
| 04:16.59 | MeatHammer | lol. Not sure about you, but I dont travel around leaving globally unique identifiers all over the place. call me old fashioned. |
| 04:17.03 | karlpinc | !enter |
| 04:17.03 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 04:17.14 | TomTomTosch | it's not your problem. go to offtopic. |
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| 04:18.37 | dsockwell | if this was my script i would find out exactly how my hostname is leaking out to whatever network (the mac randomization is fine i guess) and change that |
| 04:18.50 | dsockwell | rather than go all the way to calling sysctl to change it for real |
| 04:18.51 | MeatHammer | dsockwell: its leaking whenever youre using wifi |
| 04:19.37 | dsockwell | but how |
| 04:19.51 | dsockwell | there's nobody sucking your hostname out of your wifi card through a straw |
| 04:20.04 | dsockwell | i nominate dhcp as the source of the leak |
| 04:20.19 | dsockwell | and you can tell dhcp to use a different name without doing a recursive substitution on /etc |
| 04:20.55 | MeatHammer | dsockwell: youd be surprised. never done a survey of youre wifi network? How your phones and tablets connect. Your MAC is perfectly visible, and ditto hostname (ad-hoc location services for example) |
| 04:21.29 | dsockwell | so you're running avahi or upnp on a stealth machine? |
| 04:21.37 | MeatHammer | dsockwell: off topic but many marketers, and others, have rogue routers setup to log this stuff as you walk down the street. |
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| 04:22.36 | MeatHammer | dsockwell: you can tell you when yuro whole neighbourhood is home or not based on wifi connects from branded MAC addresses. |
| 04:22.45 | MeatHammer | "Apple" "Samsung"... |
| 04:22.51 | dsockwell | yeah i know |
| 04:23.12 | dsockwell | rotating your MAC address is much different than trying to change your hostname on the fly |
| 04:23.12 | MeatHammer | returning to topic: Debina doesnt leak a lot, like these android and ios devices, but its nice to have that functionality |
| 04:23.36 | MeatHammer | dsockwell: i didnt think it would be possible but people are clever :) |
| 04:23.47 | MeatHammer | i stole all the good stuff from forums |
| 04:23.48 | dsockwell | it's probably easier to find the leaks individually and stop them |
| 04:23.51 | MeatHammer | the hard stuff |
| 04:24.04 | MeatHammer | all that file parsing is the key |
| 04:24.24 | MeatHammer | dsockwell: if you use android you might like PryFi. |
| 04:24.43 | MeatHammer | i was trying to bring something like that to Debian or Linux. |
| 04:25.57 | MeatHammer | point is: i try to make every device in my house look like some random android, cuz that hostname is super common. iPhone be uing youre full god damn name as the hostname. |
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| 04:26.51 | dsockwell | can you tell me how the hostname is carried from the iphone to the local nameserver? |
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| 04:27.01 | dsockwell | is it slurped out with a straw? |
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| 04:28.31 | ironpillow | hi all, I am trying to install a .deb. I couldn't find it using apt-get. so I downloaded the tar.gz from packages.debian.org. how do I manually install it. I untar-ed but I am lost. thanks |
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| 04:29.05 | TomTomTosch | ironpillow, what package do you want to install and on which debian version? |
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| 04:29.51 | dsockwell | MeatHammer: my problem is with lines 71-76 - eventually the new hostname could match some important part of a file you never considered and all will be destroyed |
| 04:30.28 | ironpillow | TomTomTosch: I want to install https://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/squid-prefetch, on debian 8.1 |
| 04:30.38 | dsockwell | that's a little bit less likely with the 'android-' prefix |
| 04:30.56 | anes | Dear friends , how to remedy this issue: dbr: wrong-name-for-upstream-changelog usr/share/doc/dbr/ChangeLog ? |
| 04:31.06 | dsockwell | but still, recursively running sed against /etc is very dangerous |
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| 04:31.30 | dsockwell | especially since if for some reason sed crashes at line 74 and leaves a truncated tmp file |
| 04:31.34 | somiaj | ironpillow: msg dpkg ssb (this can be applied to any sorce repo. Though if the package builds in jessie or not may be another story) |
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| 04:31.45 | dsockwell | it will truncate the original file |
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| 04:33.17 | dsockwell | if something happened to your sed binary to make it crash all the time, this script would burn down /etc |
| 04:33.53 | dsockwell | what umask is this .tmp file being written with? |
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| 04:34.05 | dsockwell | are you changing the permissions of the files you are modifying? |
| 04:34.47 | TomTomTosch | , checkbackport squid-prefetch --fromrelease=wheezy |
| 04:34.48 | judd | Backporting package squid-prefetch in wheezyâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using . |
| 04:35.33 | TomTomTosch | ^- somiaj, i guess judd does not like checking from wheezy to jessie? |
| 04:36.31 | dsockwell | MeatHammer: i like your hustle, but this isn't exactly the safest thing |
| 04:36.48 | dsockwell | it would be better to reconfigure the leaky services |
| 04:37.33 | MeatHammer | dsockwell: lol ya i agree. honestly it works for now. if youre good at diagnosing processes and services you can easily figure out what neeed restarting. Ive been using it for 2 weeks, works real good. |
| 04:37.48 | dsockwell | want to have FUN? |
| 04:37.53 | MeatHammer | the debian wiki has real good info in there to |
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| 04:37.58 | MeatHammer | o |
| 04:38.09 | dsockwell | i'll PM you because if someone tries this they'll regret it |
| 04:38.11 | somiaj | TomTomTosch: unsure how it works. You can maunaully check the build-depends, or just try to build the package and deal with any errors that arise. |
| 04:38.28 | MeatHammer | dsockwell: lol thanks but I g2g anyways. Ill bbl! |
| 04:38.31 | TomTomTosch | fair enough. |
| 04:38.40 | dsockwell | ok bye fred |
| 04:41.03 | TomTomTosch | ironpillow, also, you should probably update your system. there is no real reason to use 8.1. current pointrelease is 8.3. |
| 04:41.29 | ironpillow | TomTomTosch: got it. will do. I am trying backporting now. |
| 04:41.37 | TomTomTosch | ironpillow, good luck. |
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| 04:51.21 | ironpillow | so...I added wheezy-backports, removed contrib and non-free, updated list, then aptitude -t wheezy-backports install squid-prefetch. Couldn't find any package whose.. |
| 04:53.05 | somiaj | ironpillow: you don't want to install the package from wheez-backports (as these are packages for wheezy made from jessie) |
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| 04:53.18 | somiaj | ironpillow: you want to compile the source package from wheezy on your system |
| 04:53.24 | somiaj | !tell ironpillow about ssb |
| 04:53.27 | victorqueiroz | guys |
| 04:53.38 | victorqueiroz | check this out: https://github.com/VictorQueiroz/infinality-debian-package |
| 04:53.50 | victorqueiroz | Need some help with that scripts. |
| 04:54.06 | somiaj | ironpillow: those instructions may automatically do the work (bot sent them to you) for you, in this case you want to add a deb-src line for wheezy, and then follow the instructions to build the package (note you will have to deal with any security issues this package brings) |
| 04:54.22 | somiaj | ironpillow: have you looked into why squid-prefetch was removed from jessie and see if there is an alternative? |
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| 04:55.10 | ironpillow | somiaj: I haven't looked at why it was removed but that's the only prefetch package available. |
| 04:56.10 | somiaj | ironpillow: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672156 |
| 04:56.12 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/672156 in squid (closed, jessie, sid, wheezy-ignore, stretch): «Should be dropped in favour of squid3»; severity: serious; opened: 2012-05-08; last modified: 2015-08-20. |
| 04:56.23 | somiaj | ironpillow: seems it is outdated and no supported anymore. Also seems squid3 should have the features you need |
| 04:56.44 | victorqueiroz | when I install the packages. The old libfreetype6 files kept being choosed for amd64 fonts. How can I change that? The libraries are installed at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/freetype-infinality and the old ones are at /usr/lib |
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| 04:59.51 | Camera_ | Hello |
| 04:59.54 | Camera_ | How Can I get Cheese to use a webcam connected to the CSI port? |
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| 05:00.13 | ironpillow | somiaj: thanks! I will look more in to squid (squid 4 currently) |
| 05:00.31 | somiaj | ironpillow: ahh, I don't know much about squid, I just know where to find bug reports. |
| 05:00.59 | ironpillow | judd: I didn't understand that. was the package, squid-prefetch, dropped or squid was dropped from wheezy? |
| 05:01.00 | judd | No package named 'didn't' was found in jessie/amd64. |
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| 05:01.26 | ironpillow | haha I just message a bot |
| 05:01.45 | TomTomTosch | victorqueiroz, just looked into it and i like that it starts with "I'm not sure if it's safe or not, but" |
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| 05:03.46 | ironpillow | somiaj, TomTomTosch - thanks. |
| 05:03.47 | victorqueiroz | TomTomTosch, this is a compliment or a criticism? Haha. Thank's for looking. I just made these scripts because I was having real trouble while generating the Infinality packages, and they are no longer mantained by the developers. The most recent updates are in the fontconfig-ultimate repository. Can you help me? |
| 05:07.10 | TomTomTosch | victorqueiroz, afaik infinality is not available for debian and i'm not sure how to do it. sry. |
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| 05:07.54 | somiaj | ironpillow: it seems it depended on the outdated version of squid. You can still get squid. I'm unsure on the details if squid now includes such a feature and doesn't need the extra pcakge anymore. |
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| 05:08.59 | TomTomTosch | ah, i didn't mean to scare that one away :S |
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| 05:13.04 | ngocok | Hi, are there easy installable mainline kernel builds for Debian? |
| 05:13.05 | ironpillow | somiaj: no problem. I'll have to dig deeper into squid. |
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| 05:13.49 | somiaj | ngocok: what do you mean by mainline? Do you just mean a newer kernel than the one provided in stable or do you want one without the debian patches? |
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| 05:14.55 | ngocok | somiaj: i need a newer kernel, 4.4.x or 4.5rc |
| 05:15.16 | somiaj | ngocok: in jessie you will have to wait or compile it yourself |
| 05:15.47 | somiaj | ngocok: currently 4.3 is availble in jessie-backports and 4.4 is in sid (so it will make tise way to jessie backports, but this takes a bit of time) |
| 05:16.44 | somiaj | ngocok: if 4.3 won't work for you, you'll have to comiple your own kernel in jessie at this time. |
| 05:16.55 | ngocok | somiaj: i see, thank u |
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| 05:26.18 | Camera_ | Hello |
| 05:26.20 | Camera_ | What Linux programs can I use to record audio and save it? |
| 05:26.23 | Camera_ | I am using Raspbian Jessie |
| 05:27.16 | qmr | fkl;jsdklf;adjskfasjdlkfdsajk GOOGLE |
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| 05:27.49 | hiexpo | apps |
| 05:27.54 | hiexpo | you mean |
| 05:28.40 | TomTomTosch | Camera_, you will have to ask #raspbian as we only support the official debian here. things work differently in raspbian. |
| 05:29.07 | Camera_ | hiexpo: Yes |
| 05:29.13 | Camera_ | TomTomTosch: Alright, thank you |
| 05:30.24 | kingkong | hi. i receive mail for root everyday and it wrote this https://paste.kde.org/pzmudemkk/qyhh1g |
| 05:30.42 | kingkong | on debian wheezy. whats wrong? |
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| 05:34.51 | TomTomTosch | kingkong, what debian version are you on and what is "it"? |
| 05:35.32 | pfote | he said wheezy |
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| 05:35.45 | TomTomTosch | ah, sry. missed that. |
| 05:36.27 | pfote | but upstart doesnt sound like wheezy ^^ |
| 05:36.34 | TomTomTosch | indeed. |
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| 05:37.22 | pfote | kingkong: sure that this is a wheezy? |
| 05:37.55 | kingkong | i found similar logs on google, all about ubuntu. but i use debian wheezy |
| 05:38.17 | kingkong | and i didnt find solution |
| 05:38.46 | hiexpo | !wheezy |
| 05:38.46 | dpkg | Wheezy is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 7.0, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 . Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <squeeze->wheezy>. Currently <7.9>. |
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| 05:40.19 | austeregrim | TomTomTosch, I'm wondering if this rsync of the mirror is doing what I really expect... it's downloading everything from /pool/main/* ... but I think thats including distrib and archs that I didn't want. |
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| 05:41.54 | austeregrim | looking at the logs and I'm watching it has downloaded electric-fence, and mips64sel.deb and s390x.deb packages |
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| 05:42.14 | austeregrim | maybe I typed the exclusion wrong? |
| 05:42.44 | kingkong | https://paste.kde.org/pnvgbmbie/e7bdek |
| 05:42.51 | nickgaw | Hi, With the normal network installation image is it possible to install Debian using packages downloaded and stored on an usb harddrive? |
| 05:42.58 | kingkong | it says wheezy |
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| 05:43.33 | Camera_ | I decided not to go this route. Thanks for all your help guys :) |
| 05:44.37 | kingkong | pfote: see my last link please |
| 05:44.42 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, the arches should be listed under ARCH_EXCLUDE in the config. afaik as a list separated by spaces. did you include mips and s390? |
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| 05:45.07 | pfote | hrm |
| 05:45.09 | austeregrim | I'm certain I added them into the exclude list |
| 05:45.20 | austeregrim | but I may have typo'd |
| 05:45.38 | austeregrim | guess I could cat the config and check it |
| 05:45.58 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, you can paste your config if you want. http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 05:47.04 | TomTomTosch | kingkong, show us your /etc/apt/sources.list please. |
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| 05:48.00 | austeregrim | TomTomTosch, I was right, theres a typo and a missing arch because it wasn't listed in the config (As it probably didn't exist when the config template was made.) |
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| 05:49.22 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, ha, bugger. at least we know the exclude worked if it didn't download the armhf and whatnot. |
| 05:50.00 | kingkong | TomTomTosch: /etc/apt/sources.list is https://paste.kde.org/pgflbokso/4wnauy |
| 05:50.14 | austeregrim | yeah it looks like it's excluding all other archs, and it has excluded the distros... but does /pool/main/* contain all the distros? |
| 05:50.45 | austeregrim | and the distro folders are just pointers to those packages? |
| 05:51.21 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, IIRC yes. |
| 05:51.27 | austeregrim | I'm thinking, maybe I'm still downloading the entire mirror (minus the archs) but just not including the links to those "testing" packages |
| 05:52.29 | austeregrim | that makes so much more sense |
| 05:52.31 | austeregrim | lol |
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| 05:52.46 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, pick a package and check if it only downloaded the jessie version. you can check with /msg judd v <package> |
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| 05:54.24 | TomTomTosch | !tell kingkong about frankendebian |
| 05:54.57 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, the bots are pretty useful here ;D |
| 05:55.05 | austeregrim | sometimes. ;-) |
| 05:55.20 | austeregrim | judd> No package named 'elektra-bin_0.8.7-4_amd64.deb' was found in amd64. |
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| 05:56.05 | TomTomTosch | that would be elektra-bin without the version number. |
| 05:56.08 | austeregrim | the only file on screen right now, watching the tail of a log |
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| 05:56.55 | austeregrim | oh |
| 05:57.09 | austeregrim | well it's downloaded a sid package |
| 05:57.18 | austeregrim | which is testing |
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| 05:57.50 | TomTomTosch | 0.8.7-4 is the jessie version. sid has 0.8.14-5 |
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| 05:58.02 | TomTomTosch | , v elektra-bin |
| 05:58.04 | judd | Package: elektra-bin on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.1-1; jessie: 0.8.7-4; sid: 0.8.14-5+b1; stretch: 0.8.14-5+b1 |
| 05:58.10 | nickgaw | Does anyone here know if the debian live discs include the speakup screen reader and a way to start it using espeakup on boot like the normal installers does as I don't want to download an entire disc and then find that I can't use it and do they by default launch into console or X windows? |
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| 05:58.25 | austeregrim | yeah... so I see all of those debs |
| 05:58.48 | TomTomTosch | hmm... that sucks. at least it excluded the arches. |
| 05:58.50 | austeregrim | 0.7.1 , 0.8.14-5, and 0.8.7 |
| 05:59.11 | Sky2939 | Hey guys, i just setup roundcube on debian 8 and i can't receive emails for some reason..i attempted to create virtual users in dovecot but obviously failed because i keep getting this error, "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table" whenever i receive external mail |
| 05:59.21 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, ye, sry. no idea then how to exclude that. the docs where rather bad. |
| 05:59.32 | TomTomTosch | s/where/were |
| 05:59.47 | austeregrim | TomTomTosch, not your fault... I'm just hoping I have the space to fit it all |
| 06:00.11 | austeregrim | my provisioned space right now is only 300gb |
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| 06:00.14 | Sky2939 | actually guys i may have found a solution :D |
| 06:00.18 | Sky2939 | brb |
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| 06:01.14 | austeregrim | the virtual disk is sitting at 67gb currently |
| 06:01.52 | kingkong | TomTomTosch: my list is wrong ? |
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| 06:02.51 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, amd64 is 171GB, mips64el is 42GB and s390x is 100GB. you could periodically delete all mips and s390x stuff. |
| 06:03.15 | nickgaw | [A/join #asterisk |
| 06:03.46 | austeregrim | I could do a search and delete those, and fix the config. or will rsync delete them for me, doing a mirror with excludes? |
| 06:04.03 | austeregrim | I ask such obscure questions |
| 06:04.36 | TomTomTosch | kingkong, no, it was my bad. it's fine, though you have a few lines repeated. |
| 06:04.57 | austeregrim | but 142gb is 142gb I could save if I exclude it now. |
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| 06:05.26 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, if you canceled and fixed your config it should be fine. |
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| 06:06.21 | TomTomTosch | kingkong, still, you could tell us where the error came from :P |
| 06:06.26 | jim | is there a netinstall that runs an sshd, so that someone could ssh into the installer and run it over ssh? |
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| 06:07.24 | kingkong | TomTomTosch: i created my sources.list by help of this channel before |
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| 06:08.11 | austeregrim | TomTomTosch, thanks, I commented out the excludes of the distros (because it doesn't change anything really)... and fixed those excluded archs. |
| 06:08.16 | MaBunny | is there a ftp server hosting i386 debian? |
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| 06:08.24 | TomTomTosch | kingkong, yes, it's fine. i mistook something. |
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| 06:09.02 | kingkong | TomTomTosch: i dont know. a month ago, i wasnt receiving such mails. its related to pip maybe? i uninstalled it before |
| 06:09.10 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, alright. have fun in the desert then :P |
| 06:09.54 | austeregrim | TomTomTosch, Every day... |
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| 06:11.07 | austeregrim | some people would be jealous of what I get to do... if you like off roading *and* working on computers. |
| 06:11.31 | MaBunny | guys can you tell me? |
| 06:12.27 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, it does sound like my cup of tea actually. |
| 06:13.08 | TomTomTosch | kingkong, i'm sorry, but i don't know how to help you without information. maybe ask your question again a bit later. |
| 06:14.16 | TomTomTosch | MaBunny, you mean a repo? just pick one near you, it has all the arches. |
| 06:14.30 | MaBunny | is it ftp? |
| 06:15.35 | MaBunny | ok done |
| 06:15.38 | TomTomTosch | MaBunny, https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 06:15.50 | MaBunny | thnx |
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| 06:16.50 | MaBunny | hey guys when i try to conn via filezilla to ftp.cn.debian.org it says |
| 06:17.07 | MaBunny | Error:Critical error Error:Could not connect to server |
| 06:18.53 | TomTomTosch | MaBunny, it works for me. |
| 06:19.27 | TomTomTosch | MaBunny, don't put anything into the username and password field. |
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| 06:21.38 | TomTomTosch | that killed the bunny. |
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| 06:23.05 | kingkong | ok thanks you a lot. i will try again later. |
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| 06:27.55 | austeregrim | bunnys are funny like that |
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| 06:29.03 | austeregrim | what else does judd do? |
| 06:29.15 | austeregrim | will he tell me the size of packages? |
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| 06:30.40 | austeregrim | why yes he does |
| 06:32.53 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 07:37.30 | panos_ | how can i fix locales? it doesn't display or write in greek |
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| 07:40.45 | TomTomTosch | panos_, you need to install the locales package if you haven't done so and select whatever locales you want with dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
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| 07:42.57 | panos_ | locales package is installed. |
| 07:43.12 | panos_ | also tried dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 07:44.30 | TomTomTosch | you probably need to relog. |
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| 07:44.53 | panos_ | done that |
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| 07:46.26 | panos_ | in dpkg-reconfigure i need to select 2 locales, english + greek , right? |
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| 07:46.36 | TomTomTosch | yes |
| 07:46.54 | jmcnaught | panos_: what does your $LANG say? |
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| 07:48.33 | panos_ | just removed and installed again locales |
| 07:48.51 | panos_ | next step is dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 07:49.12 | darxmurf | I did a lvextend twice but not resize the FS in it, is it safe to lvreduce ? |
| 07:49.18 | TomTomTosch | as root >> dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 07:50.32 | panos_ | ok. selected el_GR.UTF-8 and en_US.UTF-8 |
| 07:50.41 | panos_ | default? |
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| 07:52.11 | panos_ | selected english as default. next step? |
| 07:52.25 | panos_ | logout-login? |
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| 07:52.57 | TomTomTosch | yes, or restart. not sure when the locales are loaded. |
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| 07:53.32 | panos_ | ok |
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| 07:57.18 | TomTomTosch | thinking about it, it probably doesn't need that at all. ah well :S |
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| 07:59.55 | jmcnaught | logging out or doing "export $LANG=el_GR.UTF-8" should do it at least for the current shell |
| 08:00.31 | austeregrim | TomTomTosch, curiously, it looks like the mirrors trickle their bandwidth after about 3 minutes no other cause I can see. =/ |
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| 08:01.32 | austeregrim | unless you can look at the script and see if the script is doing it? |
| 08:01.47 | austeregrim | I wouldn't know what I'm looking for |
| 08:02.03 | jmcnaught | darxmurf: i think it would be safe but definitely research it before doing it, and make sure that your backup that you made earlier is restorable too |
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| 08:02.50 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, nah, i have an exam today and will be gone in ten minutes. but i don't think the script will do that. |
| 08:03.18 | austeregrim | good luck on your exam. thanks for you help, i really appreciate the time you've spent on me |
| 08:03.55 | TomTomTosch | no problem. it was rather interesting ;D |
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| 08:04.40 | panos_ | didn't work |
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| 08:06.29 | jmcnaught | panos_: what does "echo $LANG" say? you said that you want to use the computer in Greek but you selected English as the default? Are you talking about a shell or a GUI? |
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| 08:07.07 | TomTomTosch | ah, i thought he just wanted to be able to render greek. |
| 08:07.27 | panos_ | LANG is el_GR.UTF-8 |
| 08:07.59 | TomTomTosch | would be en if you selected that as default in the config.... |
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| 08:08.01 | panos_ | i selected english as default in dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 08:08.44 | panos_ | i want to be able to read and write in both languages |
| 08:08.59 | panos_ | in terminal also |
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| 08:10.55 | darxmurf | jmcnaught: apparently I can do it... but as I'm dealing with 12Tb of research files I will try to avoid to do shit :) |
| 08:11.16 | darxmurf | specially because the system is running an old scientific linux too :-/ |
| 08:11.34 | TomTomTosch | man, backup your shit. |
| 08:11.39 | jmcnaught | panos_: there are task-greek and task-greek-desktop packages, do you have them installed? |
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| 08:12.15 | panos_ | how to check that? |
| 08:12.47 | panos_ | should i install them? |
| 08:12.52 | jmcnaught | darxmurf: make sure that the information you refer to for lvreduce is correct for the version of LVM on that old non-Debian distro then |
| 08:13.28 | TomTomTosch | darxmurf, you do have backups, right? |
| 08:13.33 | jmcnaught | panos_: yes, it looks like it would install greek localization data. i'm not sure how comprehensive it is |
| 08:13.44 | darxmurf | yep but recover 12Tb of files is long :) |
| 08:13.52 | panos_ | no they are not installed |
| 08:14.15 | panos_ | ok .will try it |
| 08:14.15 | TomTomTosch | darxmurf, ha, go right ahead then, sir ;D |
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| 08:14.30 | jmcnaught | panos_: check the packages that these pull in for an idea of what should have greek support |
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| 08:15.27 | panos_ | + task-sel +tasksel-data |
| 08:15.46 | panos_ | tasksel |
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| 08:16.46 | jmcnaught | oh yeah, tasksel, not sure if it will show you but you can also check what these tasks install with "apt-cache show task-greek-desktop" for example |
| 08:17.08 | darxmurf | is there a way to see if an ext4 partition has been created with 64bit support ? |
| 08:17.38 | darxmurf | the actual problem is that I wanted to extend my partition but ext4 is limited to 16Tb |
| 08:17.43 | jmcnaught | panos_: also for stuff like manpages and other documentation there are separate packages for different languages, it doesn't look like there's a manpages-el package though |
| 08:17.55 | darxmurf | I can apparently force it using the 64b flag or something like that |
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| 08:18.09 | darxmurf | but only if the partition has been created with the 64bit support ? |
| 08:18.28 | grawity | have you tried `tune2fs -l <device>`? |
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| 08:19.48 | panos_ | don't need translation texts. just to be able to read and write greek characters. (in terminal also) |
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| 08:21.20 | panos_ | will try a reboot |
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| 08:22.00 | jmcnaught | well i just installed task-french and it would still use latin fonts, but it showed be everything that it installed and it was more than tasksel |
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| 08:26.40 | panos_ | still not working |
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| 08:28.37 | jmcnaught | panos_: did you also install task-greek-desktop? it should have installed more than tasksel, unless you have recommends disabled |
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| 08:31.12 | panos_ | should i install all the recommended packages of it? |
| 08:31.41 | panos_ | fonts-freefont fonts-mgopen libreoffice-l10n-el iceweasel-l10n-el |
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| 08:32.07 | jmcnaught | why wouldn't you want them? |
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| 08:34.23 | panos_ | ok . will try it. but dont think it will solve the problem |
| 08:34.55 | jmcnaught | i almost always install recommends (which is the default with apt-get) unless it proposes something strange which is the exception. you probably at least want to have the fonts it recommends |
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| 08:36.17 | jmcnaught | although i haven't installed any greek specific packages and i seem to be able to view greek characters in Iceweasel at least, so maybe i still don't get what you mean. Is this a keyboard layout issue? |
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| 08:37.40 | panos_ | i cant view greek characters in terminal |
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| 08:38.35 | jmcnaught | can you set your terminal to use a font that has greek characters, maybe one of the ones that task-greek-desktop installs? |
| 08:39.02 | panos_ | how to do that? |
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| 08:42.11 | jmcnaught | panos_: it depends on the terminal emulator you're using. or you might prefer to set it desktop wide, which would depend on the DE that you use |
| 08:42.41 | jmcnaught | panos_: either way check the settings and look for font options |
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| 08:43.26 | panos_ | ok. worked in terminal. thanks. (options > set character encoding > uni)code |
| 08:44.42 | panos_ | cant write greek here. any idea? |
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| 08:45.48 | jmcnaught | panos_: can't write greek only in the terminal, or anywhere? |
| 08:46.40 | panos_ | solved for the terminal. now i can write. |
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| 08:47.08 | panos_ | but in some other "places " i cant. for example in hexchat |
| 08:47.28 | jmcnaught | panos_: what happens when you try? |
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| 08:47.45 | panos_ | nothing |
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| 08:48.01 | panos_ | does not write anything |
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| 08:57.33 | xlotlu | why would nginx fail reading a ssl certificate during system startup, but not if i start the systemd unit manually? |
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| 09:06.12 | jmcnaught | xlotlu: there should be an error message for the failure in a log, either nginx's or journald |
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| 09:09.17 | xlotlu | jmcnaught: of course. [emerg] BIO_new_file("/my/path/to/certs/my.cert.pem-chained") failed (SSL: error:02001002:system library:fopen:No such file or directory:fopen('/my/path/to/certs/my.cert.pem-chained','r') error:2006D080:BIO routines:BIO_new_file:no such file) |
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| 09:11.27 | xlotlu | the file is there, everything looks ok with namei, and most importantly, sudo -u www-data test -r /my/path/to/certs/my.cert.pem-chained && echo yup || echo nope --> yup |
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| 09:12.38 | xlotlu | although i think at that point nginx is still root. and in fact, most importantly, sudo systemctl start nginx --> everything ok. mind boggling. |
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| 09:14.27 | jmcnaught | and the certificates are not on some sort of storage that might get mounted later in the boot process (after nginx is started?) |
| 09:14.49 | xlotlu | jmcnaught: hmm. possible facepalm. it's a zfs partition. |
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| 09:16.20 | jmcnaught | xlotlu: you should be able get nginx's service unit to require the zfs partition, but i gotta get to bed. have a good night :) |
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| 09:16.53 | xlotlu | jmcnaught: i can, now that it's obvious why it failed. :) thanks, gn. |
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| 09:25.15 | shibly | drwxr-sr-x 2 root staff 4096 Feb 21 21:54 apps , what does it mean by sr here? |
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| 09:27.15 | shibly | drwxr-sr-x , what is sr? |
| 09:27.36 | shibly | r for read |
| 09:27.38 | shibly | w for write |
| 09:27.40 | humbot | s means setuid and r means world-readable, in these positions, check octal permissions |
| 09:27.41 | shibly | s for what? |
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| 09:28.05 | humbot | or is it sticky bit |
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| 09:28.40 | shibly | drwxr-sr-x , What's the value of it? 755 ? |
| 09:28.52 | shibly | How can i get the value of a permission? |
| 09:29.12 | tulphoon | You have 3 bits |
| 09:29.16 | tulphoon | 000 |
| 09:29.25 | tulphoon | 1st one is r, 2nd is w, 3rd is x |
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| 09:29.35 | tulphoon | and you read it as binary |
| 09:29.42 | tulphoon | 100 - gives you a value of 4 |
| 09:29.49 | tulphoon | 110 - gives you a value of 6 |
| 09:29.53 | tulphoon | 111 - gives you a value of 7 |
| 09:30.00 | tulphoon | Do you know binary, or no? |
| 09:30.06 | tulphoon | and conversion to decimal |
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| 09:30.25 | humbot | i use sticky bit on group-shared directories so different users can write in there but not delete each other's stuff |
| 09:31.13 | shibly | drwxr-sr-x , so rwx=7, r-s=5, r-x=5, am i right? |
| 09:31.43 | shibly | tulphoon: ^ |
| 09:31.49 | tulphoon | the 1st and 3rd are correct, although i don't know much about sticky bits |
| 09:31.53 | tulphoon | s is for sticky, right? |
| 09:32.12 | spleen | Where can i found a template (skeleton) of systemd file in debina ? |
| 09:32.20 | spleen | *debian |
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| 09:33.58 | tulphoon | shibly: i think yes regarding to the positions, but i have no idea what "s" stands for |
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| 10:15.44 | ghormoon | hi, if I need to modify locale, is it ok to change /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_US or will it get overwriten back? |
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| 10:16.48 | ghormoon | the point is, I want to keep english one, so webs detect it etc, but some apps only allow me to choose long/short date version, but not manually given format and i want different one |
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| 10:21.50 | Ticho | ghormoon: it's a file owned by a package installed by the distribution, so it will get overwritten |
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| 10:22.55 | billythefish | can anyone help me prevent ModemManager being lo |
| 10:23.04 | billythefish | aded on boot |
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| 10:24.47 | ghormoon | Ticho: where to edit it then? |
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| 10:36.59 | koniu | having problems preseeding- do i understand correctly that if 'auto' boot arg is not supplied then preseed file will be used to supply defaults but the questions answered in preseed will still be asked? |
| 10:37.13 | koniu | (my problem is that they're not being asked...) |
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| 10:38.02 | koniu | priority=high and i'm trying to set default name for the primary user but it just goes straight into asking for the user's password |
| 10:38.32 | koniu | uh, i see there's #debian-installer |
| 10:39.06 | koniu | or maybe not... |
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| 10:42.07 | ghormoon | can I somehow pin a file, not whole package? or how pesky will apt be, if it stumbles upon file with chattr +i? |
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| 10:44.54 | ewew | ghormoon File a bug report and probably tag it as wishlist. for example. |
| 10:44.54 | OnkelTem | Hi all. How to proprely run a script with start-stop-daemon, if that script 'exec's some other process? Particularly, this is dropboxd daemon (so maybe someone's solved this already) |
| 10:45.28 | OnkelTem | The problem is not in the process starting, rather - with getting its running status and as result - stopping it :) |
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| 10:47.01 | ghormoon | does it stop the childs correctly if you kill (term) it? |
| 10:47.39 | OnkelTem | https://gist.github.com/OnkelTem/3a33e0d32176ffa2b045 |
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| 10:48.24 | OnkelTem | ghormoon: since it makes it via exec, there's only the daemon itself left running |
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| 10:49.38 | OnkelTem | I think I should use some other criteria for start-stop-daemon then default matching, I'm not sure which one |
| 10:49.49 | OnkelTem | than |
| 10:50.12 | LordThumper | Hey I am trying to install mono 4.2.1 on debian stable (jessie). However this package version is available in debian testing (stretch) |
| 10:50.16 | ghormoon | so it still runs after stop? |
| 10:50.43 | LordThumper | What is the best way to install this package version + dependencies without switching to debian testing? |
| 10:51.07 | tulphoon | Try on the developers site. |
| 10:51.14 | tulphoon | Maybe they have preconfigured packages there. |
| 10:51.34 | LordThumper | @tulphoon, not that I could find |
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| 10:52.04 | tulphoon | Hmmm. Well you have to stick with 3.2.8 then i think. |
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| 10:53.13 | ghormoon | LordThumper: mono will likely bring a lot with it. I had something like this with qemu, I've rather downloaded source package and rebuilt it on jessie. but that may not work if the dependencies are too high |
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| 10:53.41 | LordThumper | ghormoon: There are indeed a lot of dependencies |
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| 10:54.09 | ghormoon | LordThumper: the point is, if it will take the versions from jessie or not. qemu did (except for one I didn't actually need), no idea on mono |
| 10:54.24 | LordThumper | I see |
| 10:54.28 | billythefish | i want to present serial ports for VM under jessie |
| 10:54.38 | OnkelTem | ghormoon: yeah, and start-stop-daemon claims there's no such a process like /home/dropbox/.dropbox-dist/dropbox-lnx.x86_64-3.14.7/dropbox |
| 10:54.54 | kingkong | hi. im on debian wheezy. i receive email for root on each day containing this. how to fix problem? https://paste.kde.org/pzmudemkk/qyhh1g |
| 10:54.56 | billythefish | but linux picks up the device and passes it to ModemManager - which then reports it busy to VM |
| 10:54.59 | OnkelTem | ghormoon: I think should use pidfile instead but not sure how to disable path matching |
| 10:55.19 | billythefish | it there a way to prevent this auto detection process but still have the device available |
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| 10:56.12 | ghormoon | OnkelTem: what the process is then? either fix the matching, or if it can, make it write the pidfile. whichever is easier |
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| 10:56.45 | ghormoon | you don't need to specify the -x for stop, or do you? I think not, but I'm not sure :) |
| 10:56.59 | ghormoon | so ten you can use pidfile instead |
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| 11:01.55 | OnkelTem | ghormoon: I can't find a pidfile which dropbox should create |
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| 11:03.07 | OnkelTem | seems like it doesn't create anything |
| 11:04.03 | OnkelTem | ghormoon: but you're right, I'm not mandated to use -x to stop, I'm just trying to follow debian rules |
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| 11:05.42 | OnkelTem | ghormoon: haha, it was so easy |
| 11:06.07 | billythefish | how to prevent ModemManager hogging serial device? |
| 11:06.36 | OnkelTem | ghormoon: so I'm matching now by user only. I hope this is pretty good solution |
| 11:06.52 | OnkelTem | restricting only one dropbox process to run by every user |
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| 11:08.20 | OnkelTem | but I'm not sure now what it kills specifically :) |
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| 11:16.03 | superlinux | hi. I am in need of a resume from sleep script. can someone guide me on making a one? |
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| 11:24.28 | Kang0 | (Kang0) Which may be better? Sshelper or sshdroid? For android app if someone has experience |
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| 11:29.25 | bazhang | Kang0, try an android channel instead of debian and debian based channels |
| 11:29.41 | NickCao | When I installing Debian to my think pad |
| 11:29.49 | NickCao | Edge s420 |
| 11:29.56 | NickCao | It failed |
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| 11:30.07 | NickCao | When installing software |
| 11:30.21 | NickCao | I changed several mirrors |
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| 11:30.33 | NickCao | But it still failed |
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| 11:31.05 | towo^work | "it failed" is saying zero! |
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| 11:32.17 | NickCao | Actually I've got quite a lot troubles |
| 11:32.37 | NickCao | From the firmware to network config |
| 11:33.18 | NickCao | It's driving me mad |
| 11:33.30 | NickCao | To make it worse |
| 11:33.42 | NickCao | I only have one computer |
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| 11:34.46 | NickCao | So I don't have an alter choice |
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| 11:35.54 | NickCao | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3kfl3Nnh/1456486502.JPG |
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| 11:36.20 | hiya | NickCao, Oh ? |
| 11:36.30 | NickCao | This is the only message I got |
| 11:36.41 | hiya | maybe using the wrong ISO? |
| 11:36.48 | NickCao | Maybe not |
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| 11:37.06 | NickCao | It the official release |
| 11:37.16 | NickCao | 8.3.0netinst |
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| 11:37.33 | NickCao | It works on a VM |
| 11:37.48 | NickCao | When my computer still works |
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| 11:41.32 | btf | NickCao - maybe your NIC isn't recognised without specialist drivers? |
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| 11:44.10 | stojic | NickCao: you could try using the netinst iso that includes non-free firmware: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 11:44.18 | debbyal | what's the name of mariadb binary, i can only find mysql binaries |
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| 11:47.46 | bezaban | debbyal: the mariadb provided binaries are called mysql |
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| 11:48.02 | debbyal | bezaban: aha... i got that feeling |
| 11:48.28 | bezaban | debbyal: yeah, so it will work as a drop-in replacement :) |
| 11:48.28 | debbyal | how can i verify the binaries a package provides again? |
| 11:48.37 | bezaban | mysql --version will show mariadb |
| 11:48.52 | bezaban | it's dpkg-query I think |
| 11:49.26 | NickCao | The problem isn't the drivers |
| 11:49.31 | NickCao | I've fixed it |
| 11:49.45 | NickCao | It's all about the picture above |
| 11:49.54 | debbyal | ah right, --version does show mariadb! :) |
| 11:49.55 | NickCao | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3kfl3Nnh/image.JPG |
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| 11:57.25 | pink_vampire | l |
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| 12:03.33 | sigdk | The editor crashed and dmsg shows the following: [ 2902.246491] mousepad[4144]: segfault at 234 ip 00007f0003df0493 sp 00007ffc9d866710 error 4 in librsvg-2.so.2.40.10[7f0003dca000+35000] |
| 12:03.55 | sigdk | Should I report it somehow maybe ? |
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| 12:06.40 | proxima | for contributing to debian, is it necessary to have a debian operating system on laptop? or is it possible to contribute just through ubuntu? |
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| 12:08.10 | sigdk | proxima, I guess you need a debian installation for practical reasons... |
| 12:08.29 | proxima | okay |
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| 12:17.51 | Avasz_ | I am having issues with my touchpad. It works only on the first boot after the installation and after that it is completely dead after second boot. |
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| 12:20.57 | NickCao | Can anyone help me |
| 12:21.10 | NickCao | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:25.09 | Avasz | facing exactly this problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1967881 |
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| 12:30.29 | Iridos | Avasz, I would have checked if /dev/input/mice produces any characters when you touch the touchpad |
| 12:31.12 | Iridos | hm, he checks the single eventX instead |
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| 12:39.25 | plop6 | hi |
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| 12:40.33 | plop6 | i'am using debian unstable: trying to get dunst working, but look like dbus is not launch or not working properly |
| 12:40.37 | plop6 | systemctl --user status dbus: Failed to connect to bus |
| 12:41.06 | plop6 | "ps aux|grep [s]ystemd" http://paste.debian.net/405072 |
| 12:42.45 | TomTomTosch | !debian-next |
| 12:42.45 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:43.25 | Avasz | Iridos: I tail'ed /dev/input/mice, no characters |
| 12:43.39 | plop6 | TomTomTosch: ty |
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| 12:44.21 | Avasz | it worked in the first boot. |
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| 12:47.48 | Avasz | weird, synclient says "Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?" |
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| 12:49.39 | Avasz | I purged and re-installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, no improvement |
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| 12:57.04 | OnkelTem | I'm out of ideas how to the hell to start stupid dropbox with start-stop-daemon |
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| 12:57.14 | OnkelTem | 3 hours wasted, crap |
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| 13:04.37 | Avasz | sysbench is not available in stretch? :o |
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| 13:05.28 | Avasz | need to go to debian-next for that? :D |
| 13:05.32 | Iridos | Avasz, look in dmesg for errors at the time it fails... |
| 13:06.48 | Iridos | Avasz, you could also try... rmmod psmouse ;sleep 5; modprobe psmouse |
| 13:07.30 | Avasz | Iridos: I did try this: modprobe -r psmouse && modprobe psmouse proto=imps. But do not know what proto=imps is. |
| 13:07.38 | Avasz | I will try what you said right now. |
| 13:07.58 | Iridos | OnkelTem, some daemons seem to be run in debug/foreground mode for that reason |
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| 13:08.43 | Iridos | Avasz, I faintly remember that from the 90ies :) |
| 13:08.54 | Avasz | It is working now, I I rebooted once and seems it worked. the proto=imps thing worked. |
| 13:09.27 | Avasz | I did three things, not sure which worked. |
| 13:09.49 | OnkelTem | Iridos: it doesn't create PID file, so there's nothing what can reliably help start-stop-daemon to identify the process. Add to this the fact, that dropbox is start via two wrapper scripts with exec's and final process has competely different name :) |
| 13:09.49 | Avasz | 1. cp /usr/share/X11/xrg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/synaptics.conf |
| 13:10.17 | Avasz | 2. purged and reinstalled synaptics. and 3. modprobe -r psmouse && modprobe psmouse proto=imps. |
| 13:10.21 | mete | is there a way to change the data mode from journal to writeback without starting a live system for the rootfs ? |
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| 13:10.24 | OnkelTem | Iridos: so I have to hard-code dropbox path (with version) into startup script. Heh.. |
| 13:10.24 | Avasz | not sure which of these did the trick. |
| 13:11.49 | Iridos | OnkelTem, there's nautilus-dropbox in debian.... what is it you're actually trying to achive with the client |
| 13:12.49 | OnkelTem | Iridos: yeah I know, but my task is to configure their daemon for a Debian 7 server |
| 13:13.21 | Iridos | that wasn't my question |
| 13:13.28 | Iridos | what is it that you want the daemon to do for you |
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| 13:14.05 | OnkelTem | ah |
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| 13:23.33 | afidegnum | hello, good afternoon, i m having problem installing or remove android studio, this is what Im facing. can anyone help ? http://www.hastebin.com/gunoyenibu.vhdl |
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| 13:24.08 | bhuddah | afidegnum: is it debian or ubuntu? also: please don |
| 13:24.13 | bhuddah | 't crosspost... |
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| 13:25.27 | awal1 | afidegnum, android studio? |
| 13:25.32 | afidegnum | yes |
| 13:25.32 | awal1 | whats that? |
| 13:25.46 | afidegnum | it's an android development tool |
| 13:25.47 | awal1 | a debian package? |
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| 13:25.55 | afidegnum | yes, debian/ubunt |
| 13:26.19 | awal1 | it's exact name is? |
| 13:26.22 | Iridos | afidegnum, they're two different things. |
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| 13:27.03 | Iridos | it's like asking you if you drive a car or a bicycle and you answer "yes, car/bicycle" |
| 13:27.08 | Iridos | as an answer it doesn't make much sense |
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| 13:29.11 | Grimpus | Hello |
| 13:29.11 | debindi | Im sure u knew this, but ubuntu inherits pkgs from debian so they have plenty in common |
| 13:29.55 | Grimpus | How can i stop ls from listing files without the period(.) |
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| 13:30.33 | awal1 | maybe android studio comes with. no idea android-platform-tools-base |
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| 13:34.43 | awal1 | shakespeare sentence ^ bad english here, excuses :( |
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| 13:35.40 | debindi | Grimpus: check your aliases |
| 13:36.51 | Grimpus | aliases? |
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| 13:40.45 | debindi | Grimpus: also try running /bin/ls see if output is any different |
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| 13:51.25 | Someone_Else | A cronjob is not running inside /etc/cron.d |
| 13:51.37 | Grimpus | debbyal: /bin/ls had no effect |
| 13:51.45 | Someone_Else | I checked the syntax using chkcrontab, and all is good |
| 13:51.49 | Grimpus | output is the same |
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| 13:52.01 | Someone_Else | So I have no clue about what is causing the culprit |
| 13:52.26 | Someone_Else | Also, I checked the rights against other files within cron.d, which do get executed |
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| 13:52.32 | bhuddah | you can try "\ls" or "command ls" to see if it's the actual command or an alias causing problems. |
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| 13:54.03 | Someone_Else | bhuddah: If that would be the case, I would see some kind of error popping up in my syslog |
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| 13:54.39 | humbot | what period |
| 13:55.08 | bhuddah | Someone_Else: uh. i think i didn't adress you... this is a misunderstanding. sorry. |
| 13:55.32 | Someone_Else | humbot: Hourly |
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| 13:55.48 | humbot | falls into the trap too |
| 13:55.59 | Grimpus | debindi: /bin/ls had no effect |
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| 13:57.30 | Someone_Else | http://pastebin.ca/3382481 |
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| 13:57.38 | Someone_Else | This is the crontab |
| 13:58.13 | Someone_Else | And this the output of ls in the cron.d directory "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1026 Feb 22 14:18 mailadmin" |
| 13:59.10 | Someone_Else | Ah wait... Further inspection reveals other jobs aren't running as well |
| 13:59.20 | Someone_Else | (within cron.d) |
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| 13:59.47 | bhuddah | Someone_Else: you need execute permissions there. |
| 14:00.17 | Someone_Else | bhuddah: "chmod +x blah"? |
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| 14:00.43 | bhuddah | Someone_Else: afaik yes. |
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| 14:02.28 | Someone_Else | bhuddah: And is there a way to force the excution of cron.d straight away? |
| 14:03.28 | bhuddah | Someone_Else: cron.hourly is executed via a regular cronjob. you can move that to a more convenient timeslot for testing. |
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| 14:08.51 | spleen | Hi, How could i be sure that a custom script is working with systemd ? In fact i create new systemd file in /etc/systemd/system/ with the same name that the one is in /etc/init.d/... |
| 14:09.27 | grawity | systemctl daemon-reload; systemctl status <name> |
| 14:09.36 | spleen | How could i be sure that all is OK, and it is the systemd service that will be launch in the next server reboot ? |
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| 14:10.29 | grawity | systemctl daemon-reload; systemctl status <name> |
| 14:10.39 | grawity | then look at the shown path |
| 14:10.42 | grawity | and the description |
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| 14:10.54 | spleen | grawity, How the boot manage the priority between the same name script in /etc/init and systemd ? |
| 14:11.35 | spleen | Actually i have myservice.service in systemd and /etc/init.d/myservice .. |
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| 14:11.44 | grawity | if there's a native unit in /etc or /usr/lib, it will be used. if there's no native unit in any of those, then one will be autogenerated from /etc/init.d |
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| 14:14.36 | spleen | grawity, you mean systemd is used by default... if the service is not found in /etc/init.d, systemd use it ? |
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| 14:15.18 | grawity | /etc/systemd/system/<name>.service â /lib/systemd/system/<name>.service â /etc/init.d/<name> |
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| 14:15.22 | grawity | is that clearer |
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| 14:16.24 | spleen | grawity, yes. Thank you very much :) |
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| 14:19.57 | darxmurf | online resizing of a 12Tb production partition on friday afternoon \o/ |
| 14:20.29 | debbyal | is there a jboss package for debian? or only manual installation possible? |
| 14:20.35 | frostschutz | darxmurf, hope it's not ext4 ;) |
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| 14:25.16 | darxmurf | it is |
| 14:25.21 | darxmurf | \o/ |
| 14:25.31 | darxmurf | on an old Scientific Linux system |
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| 14:26.28 | darxmurf | but with a new compiled version of e2fstools... anyway process is launched... I have to wait |
| 14:26.43 | darxmurf | yay, job done, everything is fine \o/ |
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| 14:31.10 | Walakea | i once found a debian website with proposed packages but cannot remember it |
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| 14:31.50 | remmona_dash | hello |
| 14:31.54 | Walakea | for example names of packages someone is working on, packes that will probably be included in future |
| 14:32.10 | remmona_dash | I installed a new debian testing from the net-iso |
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| 14:32.31 | remmona_dash | it had a graphical install (that was good!) |
| 14:32.56 | remmona_dash | but now i think I did one or other turn wrong and I ended up with just a shell |
| 14:33.07 | remmona_dash | and cant apt-get install anything |
| 14:33.09 | blind | Debian testing/unstable support can be found at #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:34.13 | remmona_dash | I just have one line deb security.debian.org line in /etc/apt/source.list |
| 14:34.28 | remmona_dash | could someone pastebin his/her for me to use? |
| 14:34.43 | markybob | !sources.list |
| 14:34.44 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 14:35.17 | markybob | remmona_dash: but like blind said, testing isn't supported here. go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:35.41 | spleen | systemd was originaly installed on debian 7 or 8 ? |
| 14:35.51 | Walakea | i think 8 |
| 14:35.55 | ntz | 8 |
| 14:36.12 | Walakea | my first G/L distribution |
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| 14:37.46 | noid- | 8 |
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| 14:38.02 | elfranne | i am getting an error when trying to run build-simple-cdd : debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: could not open /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat: Permission denied |
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| 14:39.00 | noid- | elfranne: as sudo ? |
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| 14:39.42 | Nik05 | hey, anyone know software to check the password strength of existing users? |
| 14:39.43 | elfranne | noid-, the program ask not to run as root |
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| 14:40.02 | noid- | elfranne: in order to write to /var/cache/debconf/ you need to be root. |
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| 14:40.51 | Nik05 | i found john the ripper, but can that try the password through ldap? or should i export the password from ldap to some password file and then use john? |
| 14:41.01 | noid- | you should check if you have permissions to read or write /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat |
| 14:41.56 | Grimpus | Can you hide files with permissions? |
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| 14:45.02 | elfranne | noid-, the program say when sudo/root: build-simple-cdd error: Running as root is strongly discouraged. please run as a non-root user. |
| 14:45.20 | spleen | grawity, why under jessie, you can find ssh in init.d and also in systemd ? |
| 14:46.10 | markybob | elfranne: no one cares what the program says. that file is -rw------- which means you *have* to be root |
| 14:46.19 | markybob | elfranne: perhaps you shouldn't be using it |
| 14:46.55 | Nik05 | noid- whay do yoy mean? |
| 14:46.59 | grawity | spleen: because one is for systemd and the other is for non-systemd |
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| 14:47.14 | grawity | Grimpus: not individual files |
| 14:47.18 | Nik05 | in the cache password.dat isnt much |
| 14:47.27 | noid- | Nik05: sorry, that was directed to elfranne |
| 14:47.31 | noid- | oops :) |
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| 14:48.11 | Grimpus | grawity: Folders also does not seem to work |
| 14:48.32 | grawity | Grimpus: you can't hide a single item from view |
| 14:48.51 | grawity | Grimpus: you can only make a folder's *contents* inaccessible, but not the folder itself |
| 14:48.54 | Nik05 | oh oke |
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| 15:01.46 | Grimpus | grawity: then could this work on Debian? http://askubuntu.com/questions/713574/can-i-hide-files-so-that-they-are-hidden-on-both-windows-and-linux |
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| 15:03.04 | grawity | .hidden works with glib-based programs (mostly GNOME stuff) |
| 15:03.05 | winsen | H iall |
| 15:03.19 | winsen | does anyone know how to install ICQ? thanks |
| 15:03.30 | grawity | that 'ls' alias is just ... horrible, though. |
| 15:03.31 | Grimpus | I use xfce which is gnome based? |
| 15:03.42 | grawity | yeah, .hidden will work with Xfce apps |
| 15:04.14 | grawity | winsen: a few ICQ clients are Pidgin, licq, Kopete |
| 15:04.27 | darxmurf | on my system here the samba share is not listing folder if you are not part of the group/owner |
| 15:04.30 | Grimpus | then could you explain a bit more, my attempt at this solutions failed |
| 15:04.45 | darxmurf | with ldap auth |
| 15:04.51 | Grimpus | i created the .hidden and added a file but it still shows up |
| 15:05.05 | grawity | Grimpus: where is the file? |
| 15:05.12 | Iridos | why do you want to hide files anyway |
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| 15:05.18 | Grimpus | in the same folder as the file? |
| 15:05.19 | noid- | winsen: you can install pidgin and create an icq profile. |
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| 15:05.34 | winsen | gravity: thanks I didn't know that we can use icq on pigdin. It's my first time..I'll try thank you. |
| 15:06.50 | winsen | gravity: which one is good I mean stable? |
| 15:07.15 | grawity | well all of them are stable (at least, in the sense that they won't explode when shaken) |
| 15:07.38 | winsen | noid-: ok thanks |
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| 15:08.03 | winsen | gravity: good to know. thanks |
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| 15:11.48 | teraflops | heh |
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| 15:19.19 | darxmurf | have a good week-end ! |
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| 15:20.04 | Che-Anarc | How to update systemd after a change? - `systemctl ....` |
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| 15:21.20 | mw_1 | hi everyone |
| 15:21.29 | mw_1 | \chan |
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| 15:24.08 | Che-Anarc | `systemctl daemon-reload ` found it. |
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| 15:39.52 | _cyclops_ | Hi, i'm wondering if somebody has ever configured exim on debian to support both system aliases and user .forward files? At the moment, if i add an alias ("alias: username" in /etc/aliasses), that would ignore the .forward file.... |
| 15:40.44 | grawity | I dunno, that makes a lot of sense to me |
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| 15:41.33 | grawity | but, since it's Exim, I guess you could just move the router handling .forward above the one handling /etc/aliases |
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| 15:44.09 | _cyclops_ | grawity, thanks. I've just tried that, doesn't work :( |
| 15:44.31 | grawity | what's your use case for this though |
| 15:45.43 | _cyclops_ | grawity, my username is cyclops, my real name is ruben. I have a alias ruben@domain.tld; i'd like to be able ot provide ruben-something@domain.tld too :) |
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| 15:47.08 | grawity | okay, but I don't see how that's related here |
| 15:47.23 | grawity | I mean, how is that "support both system aliases and user .forward files" |
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| 15:49.51 | Azrael_- | i don't understand one sentence in debian backports. if i run e.g. squeeze, am i allowed to use -sloppy and still have a clean upgrade-path or not? |
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| 15:59.31 | James123 | I am trying to mount -o loop a raspberry pi img, but it does not work. I get bad fs type. Could it be that I don't have ext2 support? |
| 15:59.53 | johnkeates | no, it's most likely an img with a partition table and multiple partitions in it |
| 16:00.06 | johnkeates | don't mount it, map it and then mount the separate partitions as needed |
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| 16:03.27 | James123 | johnkeates: By map it you mean use 'offset' in mount? |
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| 16:03.35 | grawity | James123: no, with `losetup -P` |
| 16:03.40 | johnkeates | no, i mean hooking it up with losetup |
| 16:04.01 | grawity | e.g. `losetup -f -P my_pi.img` and then mount /dev/loop0p1, etc. |
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| 16:04.12 | James123 | grawity, johnkeates: Thank you |
| 16:05.15 | James123 | Another question, say that make changes in the sdcard installation, dd it back to pc and write it to another, larger sd card. Will this have problems with the partition table? |
| 16:07.18 | johnkeates | no |
| 16:07.28 | johnkeates | but writing it to a smaller card is problematic :p |
| 16:07.44 | johnkeates | unless your smaller card is a TARDIS. ;-) |
| 16:07.46 | James123 | johnkeates: Will it recognise the full size of the larger sd card though? |
| 16:07.51 | johnkeates | it will |
| 16:08.04 | johnkeates | but to actually use it, you will have to enlarge the partition and the filesystem |
| 16:08.19 | johnkeates | raspi-config has an option to do that for you automatically |
| 16:08.41 | johnkeates | you can also do it manually, but since you currently don't know how to do that the raspi-config way is safer for you :) |
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| 16:09.07 | James123 | johnkeates: (Thank you)**2! |
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| 16:15.02 | _cyclops_ | grawity, if you put in a system alias, and want to use a suffix filter in your .forward, it doesn't work.... |
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| 16:17.12 | teraflops | johnkeates: if the raw image has more than one partition it'll fail miserably |
| 16:17.40 | johnkeates | teraflops: ? |
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| 16:18.23 | Bombo | hi |
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| 16:19.08 | teraflops | oh sorry johnkeates i meant james41382 |
| 16:19.16 | teraflops | or I guess so ... |
| 16:19.25 | johnkeates | he's offline :p |
| 16:19.28 | teraflops | heh |
| 16:19.48 | Bombo | i wonder where i can search for squeeze packages, this starts with 7 oldstable (wheezy) https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and this starts with 5 lenny http://archive.debian.net/ |
| 16:20.06 | johnkeates | example: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stable§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=collectd |
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| 16:20.17 | johnkeates | select squeeze |
| 16:20.31 | johnkeates | sorry, wrong example: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=collectd |
| 16:20.33 | johnkeates | that's the one :P |
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| 16:21.32 | Bombo | johnkeates: its not in the dropbox Distribution: |
| 16:21.57 | Bombo | johnkeates: did you cheat? ;) |
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| 16:22.02 | johnkeates | don't use the dropbox, use the link: Limit to suite |
| 16:22.07 | johnkeates | it's just below the menu |
| 16:22.08 | Bombo | squeeze (oldoldstable) |
| 16:22.10 | johnkeates | a long list of names |
| 16:22.16 | Azrael_- | i don't understand one sentence in debian backports. if i run e.g. squeeze, am i allowed to use -sloppy and still have a clean upgrade-path or not? |
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| 16:29.10 | stable-kernel | test msg |
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| 16:33.38 | spleen | In ps aux output, what Ss state mean ? |
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| 16:34.17 | grawity | spleen: sleeping & session leader http://i.imgur.com/Eh3yC6i.png |
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| 16:36.20 | spleen | grawity, Thanks, but i don't understant what is a session leader |
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| 16:50.53 | Arrow|work | is testing using networkd? |
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| 16:51.04 | johnkeates | yes and it stinks |
| 16:51.13 | johnkeates | just like the rest of systemd |
| 16:51.25 | Arrow|work | i dont see a service named networkd |
| 16:51.39 | johnkeates | maybe i'm running sid.. hmm |
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| 16:52.02 | grawity | because it's named "systemd-networkd" |
| 16:52.04 | johnkeates | anyway, it's like a clown running around your kernel throwing cake everywhere |
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| 16:53.03 | Arrow|work | well i need to create a bridge and was looking for what method to use now |
| 16:53.11 | johnkeates | use brctl |
| 16:53.27 | johnkeates | in debian you can set them up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:53.39 | johnkeates | another option is openvswitch and another is video |
| 16:53.42 | johnkeates | vde* |
| 16:54.10 | Pseudo | hello |
| 16:54.28 | noid- | Arrow|work: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Bridging |
| 16:54.28 | glauxosdever | Hi, I got Debian 8.3. My resolution is 1024x768. How do I set it to 1280x800? It seems I have no drivers installed. I have a Mobility Radeon HD 2600 graphics card. I looked on the wiki, but I couldn't find a suitable driver for it. |
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| 16:55.20 | Pseudo | can i get a nvidia properitary drivers inside the cdimages DVD at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso |
| 16:55.32 | towo` | no |
| 16:55.47 | Pseudo | just askign if i can use that DVD to install a computer without internet connection |
| 16:56.17 | Pseudo | like using the dvd as an offline repo |
| 16:56.19 | Pseudo | :p |
| 16:56.26 | noid- | Pseudo: you should be able to install a computer without internet connection using the dvd's |
| 16:56.29 | noid- | I don't see why not |
| 16:56.44 | towo` | but only with dvd-2 it would fail |
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| 16:56.55 | Pseudo | but im hardly to get a nvidia driver for an offline usage |
| 16:57.03 | glauxosdever | I tried to do apt-get magic, I installed some drivers, but they are for other series of radeon cards. |
| 16:57.04 | Pseudo | towo`: i got the dvd 1 |
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| 16:57.18 | johnkeates | download them to a USB stick and install them afterwards |
| 16:58.10 | Pseudo | and now were asking if i can setup a computer as using the dvd2 iso as an offline repo to install a computer with nvidia graphic card driver |
| 16:58.18 | noid- | glauxosdever: did you follow this wiki => https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 16:58.27 | Pseudo | xd |
| 16:58.47 | noid- | Pseudo: will that computer ever have internet? |
| 16:58.48 | glauxosdever | noid-: Yes. |
| 16:58.55 | noid- | glauxosdever: and it didn't work ? |
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| 16:59.36 | Pseudo | i tried to download the specific nvidia driver for my graphic card downloaded from thier nvidia website |
| 16:59.42 | noid- | you say you looked for your device but couldn't find it. Did you actually try performing the steps? |
| 16:59.48 | noid- | glauxosdever |
| 17:00.01 | glauxosdever | No, because the driver I need is only for Wheezy. |
| 17:00.22 | noid- | errr |
| 17:00.23 | glauxosdever | Yes, I followed the steps. |
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| 17:00.35 | noid- | and you rebooted and you still got 1024x768 ? |
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| 17:00.41 | noid- | how about the propietary ones? |
| 17:00.43 | glauxosdever | But the driver for my device is only for Wheezy. |
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| 17:00.51 | Pseudo | noid-: no problem its just installig the nvidia drivers |
| 17:00.54 | glauxosdever | That's what I tried. |
| 17:01.22 | Pseudo | as i find i am hardly to get my nvidia graphic cards to really works out |
| 17:01.30 | noid- | glauxosdever: what's the output of: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 17:01.31 | glauxosdever | https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#AMD_Catalyst_Legacy_13.1 <- I need this driver, but I have Jessie... |
| 17:01.54 | glauxosdever | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV630/M76 [Mobility Radeon HD 2600] [1002:9581] |
| 17:01.56 | deznuts | "your computer has been quarantined because it was detected launching an attack across the network" on a city hall internet hotspot. How do I check if there's a virus |
| 17:02.02 | r6ku | glauxosdever: use the open source radeon driver? |
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| 17:02.21 | johnkeates | deznuts: that message is very generic and in most cases just means a crappy configured IDS |
| 17:02.26 | glauxosdever | Doesn't seem to work. |
| 17:02.46 | glauxosdever | It was already installed. |
| 17:02.46 | towo` | glauxosdever, you don't need fglrx for such ati card |
| 17:03.02 | glauxosdever | Ok, what can I also use? |
| 17:03.07 | r6ku | glauxosdever: did you install the firmware for it also? |
| 17:03.26 | towo` | glauxosdever, radeon |
| 17:03.43 | deznuts | Attack detected @0A |
| 17:03.57 | noid- | glauxosdever: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 17:04.00 | noid- | you did that? |
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| 17:05.26 | glauxosdever | Let's see. |
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| 17:06.11 | deznuts | johnkeates: assuming it's not that, what do I do? |
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| 17:07.50 | glauxosdever | Nope, didn't work. |
| 17:08.02 | noid- | did it install anything? |
| 17:08.17 | noid- | lsmod|grep radeon |
| 17:09.00 | towo` | you have to purge all fglrx-packages |
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| 17:09.15 | glauxosdever | lsmod | grep radeon printed nothing to stdout. |
| 17:09.27 | towo` | and you should remove all xorg.conf you have created |
| 17:09.48 | noid- | yeah you should undo the steps for what you did (proprietary) and re-install the open source one |
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| 17:09.55 | towo` | glauxosdever, apt purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/fglrx/{ print $2 }') |
| 17:10.20 | noid- | after removing the fglrx package, redo this steps: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Installation |
| 17:10.26 | noid- | *these |
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| 17:12.22 | glauxosdever | update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/fglrx because link group glx is broken |
| 17:12.27 | glauxosdever | This is what worries me. |
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| 17:12.38 | johnkeates | don't worry |
| 17:12.45 | noid- | that's fine. |
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| 17:25.46 | glauxosdever | Well, the driver doesn't work still. |
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| 17:26.33 | towo` | glauxosdever, "doesn't work" is saying zero! |
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| 17:26.38 | jackcom | how can i install debian? |
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| 17:26.44 | towo` | glauxosdever, provide relevant logfiles |
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| 17:28.35 | jackcom | how can i install debian? |
| 17:28.37 | jackcom | :) |
| 17:28.42 | wiak | jackcom go to youtube and search how to install debian linux |
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| 17:28.46 | wiak | might help |
| 17:28.49 | jackcom | oh good |
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| 17:29.23 | de-facto | is there a simple method to clone a whole debian system from one vps to another? im thinking about migrating my working jessie server to another |
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| 17:29.48 | jackcom | i canl install program by yum? |
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| 17:29.54 | towo` | jackcom, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 17:30.00 | de-facto | i could start livecd's on both vps and establish network link between both vps |
| 17:30.13 | jim | de-facto, do you use lvm? |
| 17:30.21 | towo` | jackcom, stop trolling and read the manual |
| 17:30.29 | jackcom | :( |
| 17:30.48 | de-facto | jim nope just simple primary partitions |
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| 17:31.13 | jackcom | if i use mac and install it on vmware, then what architecture must i install? |
| 17:31.31 | jim | de-facto, I guess you'd need some more partitions to copy the installation to |
| 17:31.42 | de-facto | oh why is that? |
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| 17:31.57 | towo` | jackcom, amd64 |
| 17:31.59 | xgpt | Hey! I need help setting up a VPN server. Something simple would be amazing. OpenVPN is far too finicky and I feel like an idiot when I'm trying to set it up. I've seriously never used it correctly. I even tried a PPTP guide and that didn't work! Ugh...I'm ready to give up. |
| 17:32.06 | jackcom | thanks towo` :) |
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| 17:33.18 | de-facto | jim i thought i could boot both vps into a livecd and then establish a network link between them and just copy the fs content or something like that |
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| 17:33.50 | jim | de-facto, you'd need a place to copy to |
| 17:33.52 | de-facto | i guess then i only would have to update uuid in fstab? not sure |
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| 17:34.42 | de-facto | yes the virtual hard disk on target system, i would format it similar to the source iinstallation on primary ext 4 partition mount it and just copy stuff in |
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| 17:34.56 | de-facto | that is from the livecd system |
| 17:35.06 | de-facto | but maybe there is a better method, hence my question here |
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| 17:35.55 | jim | is this virtual disk large enough to accomodate your installation? |
| 17:36.16 | de-facto | yes both are roughly the same size (not exactly though) |
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| 17:37.05 | jim | de-facto, what partitions do you have mounted on the real system? |
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| 17:37.24 | Azrael_- | hi, i try to upgrade squeeze to wheezy but get an error that "mysql-server-5.5 can't be immediately configured". according to the upgrade-docs i tried "apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0" but the error persists. how shall i proceed? |
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| 17:37.48 | de-facto | jim just /dev/vda1 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered) |
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| 17:38.26 | jackcom | there is dvd1 dvd2 dvd3. i install all? towo` ? |
| 17:38.31 | jim | de-facto, so, one partition (or volume) mounted on /? |
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| 17:38.39 | de-facto | exactly |
| 17:38.52 | towo` | jackcom, use the netinstall |
| 17:39.04 | jackcom | netinstall? |
| 17:39.07 | jackcom | what is it? |
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| 17:40.22 | jackcom | there is dvd1 dvd2 dvd3. i install all? who know it? |
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| 17:40.48 | de-facto | jackcom its a minimal installation cd ~200mb which has installer and most basic stuff, you choose during installation what you need and it pulls newest packages in for that over the internet repos |
| 17:40.49 | towo` | jackcom, read the link i gave you |
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| 17:41.39 | jim | de-facto, so one way, format the destination storage and mount it somewhere... like /mnt then (one sec) |
| 17:42.02 | de-facto | yes that is my plan currently |
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| 17:42.26 | jackcom | de-facto: thank :) |
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| 17:43.57 | Pseudo | jackcom: get the dvd 1.iso https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ either 32bits or amd64 and from the dvd1.iso you can select to either using any DE rightly from a dvd1/ |
| 17:44.43 | jim | de-facto, (once you have the destination mounted on /mnt) you could, cp -apx / /mnt |
| 17:44.52 | markybob | jackcom: is this for a laptop? |
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| 17:45.00 | jim | you should read man cp to see what all that means |
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| 17:45.07 | jackcom | vmware fusion markybob |
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| 17:45.34 | markybob | jackcom: nevermind then |
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| 17:45.44 | jackcom | what you mean? markybob ? |
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| 17:46.24 | remmona_dash | I installed again debian stable net install |
| 17:46.37 | remmona_dash | and it is not gtk graphical |
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| 17:47.01 | jim | remmona_dash, you probably have more stuff to install? |
| 17:47.24 | jackcom | i can install debian with debian-8.3.0-amd64-CD-1.iso? |
| 17:47.35 | Pseudo | jackcom: yes you would |
| 17:47.35 | remmona_dash | it is ncurses. anyhow, I am ath the installer and asks me I want kde or xfce or ... |
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| 17:48.03 | remmona_dash | If i select kde do i get pasma? |
| 17:48.07 | jackcom | i can install debian with debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso ? Pseudo ? |
| 17:48.08 | remmona_dash | plasma |
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| 17:48.17 | Pseudo | jackcom: yes |
| 17:48.19 | jackcom | debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso vs debian-8.3.0-amd64-CD-1.iso? |
| 17:48.26 | jackcom | which? Pseudo ? |
| 17:48.35 | jim | jackcom, you could. you can also install it with the amd64 netinstall |
| 17:48.45 | jim | it's about 300 mb |
| 17:48.47 | jackcom | netinstall? |
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| 17:49.05 | jackcom | i donât know netinstall? |
| 17:49.06 | de-facto | jim ok what else apart from the uuid in fstab would i have to change on target once copied over? |
| 17:49.14 | jim | as opposed to about 700 for the cd, and maybe 5g for the dvd |
| 17:49.21 | Pseudo | jackcom: from that dvd1.iso its around 4.00 GB and inside the dvd1.iso you can select any DE directly from there |
| 17:49.39 | jim | jackcom, you could probably look for it |
| 17:49.41 | remmona_dash | ??? |
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| 17:50.03 | de-facto | jim i guess also i need to clone the bootloader or install grub in the target |
| 17:50.03 | remmona_dash | kde plasma? in debian stable? |
| 17:50.20 | jackcom | netinst == netinstall? |
| 17:50.23 | Pseudo | jackcom: if u using the netinst cd/dvd its only contains a basic or minimum installation of debian and the rest you will need a working internet connection to download any packages u want |
| 17:51.02 | jackcom | Installing with the Debian-Installer is netinstall? |
| 17:51.19 | Pseudo | jackcom: yes netisnt is mean netinstall offer you a basic or minimum of debian installation |
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| 17:51.49 | remmona_dash | let me ask it this way. Do i get kde plasma if i sellect kde desktop env. during latest stable net-install medium? |
| 17:52.12 | jim | jackcom, if, in the installer, you establish networking early enough, it will use the net to get the packages to install |
| 17:52.25 | jackcom | i want install with debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
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| 17:52.30 | Pseudo | jackcom: netinstall = minimum package dvd1.iso= full package of DE =Desktop Environments as KDE GNOME XFCE LXDE CINNAMON |
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| 17:52.50 | jim | if you leave the net unconfigured, it will install only the base, and you'd have to get the net up after rebooting into it |
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| 17:53.10 | Kobaz | new versions of remmina always break copy and paste, so annoying |
| 17:53.34 | Kobaz | anyone know of a good rdp/vnc client that copy and paste consistently works? |
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| 17:53.52 | jim | Pseudo, if he can get the net configured, he has no need to download so large an image |
| 17:53.59 | jackcom | netinstall is good? |
| 17:54.07 | jim | it works |
| 17:54.28 | jim | jackcom, maybe you should look into it |
| 17:54.29 | Pseudo | xd |
| 17:54.32 | remmona_dash | jackcom: yes; if you have a wpa2 wifi or a lan connection to the internet |
| 17:54.42 | jackcom | debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso <â how about it? |
| 17:54.44 | remmona_dash | i am on it right know installing |
| 17:55.06 | remmona_dash | s/know/now |
| 17:55.40 | remmona_dash | and if someone tell me what version of kde I get if I choose kde in net-install? |
| 17:55.47 | jackcom | what is debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso and debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso? |
| 17:55.54 | mtn | remmona_dash, 4 is in stable |
| 17:56.29 | mtn | remmona_dash, plasma 5 won't be until next stable, some time next year |
| 17:57.41 | remmona_dash | mtn: Somtn; so what do I do if I what kde 5 in stable? |
| 17:57.49 | remmona_dash | not possible? |
| 17:57.55 | mtn | remmona_dash, nothing you can do, really |
| 17:58.27 | mtn | remmona_dash, you can play with testing, but it is not as stable as stable :) |
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| 17:59.39 | remmona_dash | mtn; i did this noon. but in there I couldn't get opera ff or chrome to install. |
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| 18:00.05 | remmona_dash | unmeat deps. :,( |
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| 18:00.08 | mtn | remmona_dash, iceweasel is the same as firefox and chrome is not in debian |
| 18:00.30 | jackcom | what is debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso and debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso? who know it? |
| 18:00.34 | Pseudo | jackcom: if you got working internet connection you can go for netinstall though |
| 18:01.16 | jim | jackcom, those are very large images |
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| 18:01.30 | jackcom | then i use netinstall? Pseudo |
| 18:01.31 | remmona_dash | jackcom: DVD-1 is installation medium and the 2-3-4 -.... are extra software packages for those disconnected from internet |
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| 18:02.18 | jackcom | ok thanks remmona_dash and jim and Pseudo :) |
| 18:03.21 | Pseudo | dvd1.iso = enough to get your PC working with any DE u prefer during the installation while dvd2/3/4.iso is an extended contains debian package well dvd2.iso CAN'T make u to install debian |
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| 18:05.38 | jim | jackcom, do you have a separate machine you can irc from |
| 18:06.01 | jackcom | seperate machine? |
| 18:06.07 | jackcom | what is it? jim ? |
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| 18:06.29 | jim | wow... |
| 18:07.16 | jackcom | i will install debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso. this is netinstall? |
| 18:07.29 | jim | jackcom, yeah, you can try that |
| 18:07.36 | jackcom | ok thanks jim |
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| 18:08.16 | jim | but warning... linux has a learning curve, and you can't just go asking every possible question under the sun |
| 18:08.33 | austeregrim | do amd64 arch installs rely on i386 arch packages in a mirror.... I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed by the size of just amd64, and now fear i386 |
| 18:08.35 | jim | what os are you running now? |
| 18:08.36 | remmona_dash | So no way to get kde plasma in jessie? |
| 18:09.04 | towo` | no |
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| 18:09.06 | mtn | remmona_dash, not plasma 5, no. not any sane way :) |
| 18:09.07 | markybob | remmona_dash: no |
| 18:09.07 | jackcom | jim: i will run devian on vmware fusion. |
| 18:09.10 | towo` | how often again? |
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| 18:09.25 | mtn | the first no didn't stick |
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| 18:10.35 | jim | jackcom, there's a pretty serious communication problem here... you;'re of course welcome to try it; it's your machine... but be prepared, you will be reading A LOT |
| 18:11.11 | jackcom | yeah jim |
| 18:11.34 | jackcom | devian on vmware is good? jim |
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| 18:12.14 | towo` | it's named debian, not devian! |
| 18:12.18 | jim | I've never run devian on vmware personally... you'd have to try it |
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| 18:12.52 | johnkeates | what is devian? |
| 18:12.56 | johnkeates | is there a new fork? |
| 18:13.00 | jackcom | oh Debian ;) |
| 18:13.24 | johnkeates | is it like Uvuntu? |
| 18:13.24 | jim | it's probably just a spork |
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| 18:18.51 | jackcom | what is Separate /home partition? |
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| 18:19.44 | ays_ | I think what you're talking about is a disk partition mounted on /home |
| 18:20.08 | markybob | jackcom: it is a separate /home parition from / |
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| 18:20.33 | jvdm1 | jackcom: sometimes people partitionate the disk an assing different "mount points" to them; one usual setup is using a partition for '/' and another for '/home'. |
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| 18:20.41 | jackcom | different partion? like sda sdb? markybob and jvdm1 ? |
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| 18:20.56 | markybob | jackcom: no. like /sda1 and /sda2 |
| 18:20.58 | jvdm1 | jackcom: yes. |
| 18:21.03 | jackcom | oh |
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| 18:21.21 | jackcom | oh /sda1 and /sda2 |
| 18:21.24 | zave | hi all, anyone seeing this today? E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cups/libcups2_1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.15 80] |
| 18:21.26 | jackcom | ok i understand it |
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| 18:21.42 | markybob | zave: we don't care. this isn't #ubuntu |
| 18:21.46 | towo` | zave, wrong channel |
| 18:21.49 | jim | jackcom, sda and sdb generally refer to two separate disks |
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| 18:22.17 | zave | my bad..#ubuntu better? the one with one user? is there a better one? |
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| 18:22.30 | jackcom | sata disk A sata disk b ? |
| 18:22.30 | grawity | what do you mean, it has 1820 users right now |
| 18:22.31 | markybob | zave: for ubuntu it's much better, yes |
| 18:22.44 | zave | kthx |
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| 18:23.18 | jvdm | jackcom: do you understand what a disk partition is, right? and mount points? |
| 18:23.57 | jackcom | haha i m not beginner. i used centos and ubuntu in the past |
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| 18:24.30 | jvdm | jackcom: :-) |
| 18:24.35 | Pseudo | ?? |
| 18:24.45 | jim | jackcom, what is your native or preferred language? |
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| 18:24.51 | jvdm | jackcom: no offense intended, just trying to help. |
| 18:25.06 | jackcom | yeah i use python well :) |
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| 18:25.22 | markybob | so not what he meant |
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| 18:25.46 | markybob | jackcom: native tongue |
| 18:25.54 | jackcom | Russian |
| 18:25.56 | jackcom | :) |
| 18:26.04 | markybob | !ru |
| 18:26.05 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 18:26.31 | jackcom | but i like to stay here :( |
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| 18:26.36 | Details | when compiling with makefiles after it is made with qmake, is /usr/local/lib automatically added to the path or must it be specified? |
| 18:26.47 | markybob | great. we can keep miscommunicating |
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| 18:27.36 | Pseudo | i think in centos or ubuntu will always have display for user to select a "/" & "/home" when it comes to the partition option menu in graphical install |
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| 18:28.07 | jim | I'm trying to see what can be done to improve your basic communication... you can stay of course, you might prefer a russian speaker |
| 18:28.40 | jackcom | most people use Debian? |
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| 18:29.01 | jim | Details, that's controlled by /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 18:29.06 | markybob | i don't even know if this is for real anymore |
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| 18:29.42 | jim | jackcom, I haven't yet spoken to "most people" |
| 18:30.11 | Details | jim. in /etc/ld.so.conf I only see include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf, do I need to add /etc/local/lib in there? |
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| 18:30.16 | markybob | jackcom: the stats say most people use windows |
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| 18:30.20 | jackcom | best popular linux is Debian? |
| 18:30.31 | Lowl3v3l | jackothere is no "best". |
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| 18:31.02 | markybob | jackcom: stop. we're in #debian. we obviously think debian is our solution. c'mon. |
| 18:31.05 | teraflops | markybob: heh |
| 18:31.07 | jim | Details, look at the files it mentions |
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| 18:31.26 | Lowl3v3l | jackcom, for example : you want an asshole-company to make all the decisions for you and steal your whole life? then debian is the wrong choice for you |
| 18:31.28 | jackcom | markybob: ok :( |
| 18:32.04 | Lowl3v3l | markybob, my individual one is arch for daily usage :p |
| 18:32.10 | jackcom | i want *a*k with Debian. |
| 18:32.12 | Details | jim, thanks |
| 18:32.13 | austeregrim | Lowl3v3l, well shit, maybe I do want an asshole company deciding whats best for me |
| 18:32.27 | markybob | Lowl3v3l: good for you |
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| 18:32.36 | glauxosdever | Well, I'm still in 1024x768, I purged the drivers and then reinstalled them. |
| 18:32.49 | glauxosdever | I can't figure out what do I need now. |
| 18:32.52 | Lowl3v3l | austeregrim, then the difficult choice for you is ms vs apple vs google :D |
| 18:33.13 | towo` | glauxosdever, provide /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a pastebin |
| 18:33.29 | welpo | Trying to install Debian and I need some help. It's missing the network drivers, asking for rt73.bin. I found this https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 and the install instructions aren't very useful (for me) since I can't connect to the internet at all. How can I install this driver before installing debian (or at the same time)? |
| 18:33.34 | glauxosdever | The proprietary driver doesn't work for my card, the legacy one that works is only up to Wheezy. |
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| 18:33.55 | towo` | glauxosdever, you cant't use fglrx anymore |
| 18:33.56 | welpo | Also, when it asked for the driver it said it could be loaded from a device, I plugged in a USB with the file and asked it to find it, but after a second it was back to the same window saying it was missing |
| 18:34.09 | glauxosdever | Yes, I purged it. |
| 18:34.21 | austeregrim | Lowl3v3l, I know... it's so hard. =( writing this on my macbook air, while I'm talking on my android phone, all while my windows domain controller is humming away in the garage. |
| 18:34.25 | r6ku | glauxosdever: did you install the firmware? |
| 18:34.38 | markybob | welpo: yes, that's why you should use the firmware installer. http://debian.osuosl.org/debian-cdimage/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:34.44 | towo` | glauxosdever, then show us the logfile i asked for |
| 18:34.45 | markybob | welpo: it'll work from the start |
| 18:34.57 | markybob | welpo: damn i gave you the wrong link |
| 18:35.13 | markybob | welpo: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 18:35.37 | welpo | is this the standard non-free ISO? |
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| 18:35.46 | markybob | welpo: yes |
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| 18:36.02 | markybob | whatever you mean by that :P |
| 18:36.17 | welpo | haha I mean "the one I found earlier on the debian page and not some other hidden ISO" |
| 18:36.22 | welpo | I'll give it a go, markybob, thanks |
| 18:36.28 | markybob | welpo: yes |
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| 18:37.08 | glauxosdever | http://pastebin.com/vEDgUgFr |
| 18:37.13 | austeregrim | Lowl3v3l, but I am not just stuck on that, most ass hole companies use debian (or linux) too... my netgear readynas storage runs debian... my router runs freebsd |
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| 18:37.44 | glauxosdever | I only installed the xserver-xorg drivers after purging fglrx. |
| 18:38.00 | austeregrim | Lowl3v3l, my vizio tv runs some linux that I can't tell... which is maintained by yahoo. |
| 18:38.03 | towo` | glauxosdever, you need firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 18:38.10 | glauxosdever | I got it. |
| 18:38.32 | glauxosdever | s/got/have/ |
| 18:38.43 | towo` | glauxosdever, lsmod | grep radeon tells you what? |
| 18:39.05 | jim | glauxosdever, just so you know... I (for one) won't open pastebin.com links as they do bad things to my browser |
| 18:39.16 | glauxosdever | Prints nothing to stdout. |
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| 18:39.25 | glauxosdever | jim: What do they do? |
| 18:39.33 | r6ku | have you tried rebooting your computer? |
| 18:39.36 | jim | crash and burn. |
| 18:39.38 | glauxosdever | Sure. |
| 18:39.42 | markybob | glauxosdever: often i get alerted about spam |
| 18:39.44 | towo` | glauxosdever, grep -ir radeon /etc/modprobe.d/* |
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| 18:40.01 | teraflops | glauxosdever: load it? also check fglrx didnt blacklisted radeon |
| 18:40.03 | markybob | glauxosdever: that's why we have paste.debian.net |
| 18:40.21 | glauxosdever | /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf:blacklist radeonfb |
| 18:40.21 | glauxosdever | /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-blacklists-radeon.conf:# fglrx conflicts with the free radeon module. |
| 18:40.24 | glauxosdever | /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-blacklists-radeon.conf:blacklist radeon |
| 18:40.42 | towo` | glauxosdever, rm /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-blacklists-radeon.conf |
| 18:40.43 | teraflops | blacklist* |
| 18:41.03 | towo` | glauxosdever, then update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 18:41.11 | towo` | glauxosdever, then reboot and be happy |
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| 18:43.17 | teraflops | hmm if fglrx takes care of blacklisting radeon why it doesn't remove the blacklist when is uninstalled? |
| 18:43.23 | glauxosdever | I get a dozen of W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/XXX.fw for module r8169 |
| 18:43.34 | teraflops | glauxosdever: nah youre fine |
| 18:43.41 | towo` | glauxosdever, that has nothing to do with your graphics |
| 18:43.51 | pythonsnake | hey |
| 18:43.52 | glauxosdever | Still, I don't like it. |
| 18:43.53 | pythonsnake | any vm specialist here? |
| 18:43.59 | towo` | no |
| 18:43.59 | pythonsnake | or is there a channel for that |
| 18:44.03 | glauxosdever | But anyway, let's reboot. |
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| 18:44.37 | cdb23ax | hello i did a rm -r /var/cache/ is this critical? |
| 18:44.39 | jim | pythonsnake, just ask your real question, be informative and specific, then someone might come forward if they think they can help |
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| 18:44.52 | austeregrim | pythonsnake, vm specialist is very vague |
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| 18:45.29 | cdb23ax | i did this on my debian xen server |
| 18:45.42 | pythonsnake | I want to rent a server and sell different hosting services like voice server hosting, web hosting, or game server hosting |
| 18:45.46 | cdb23ax | because otherwise i cant create any new cfg files on /etc/xen |
| 18:45.50 | pythonsnake | what would be the most optimal way to structure the server? |
| 18:45.53 | pythonsnake | one vm per client? |
| 18:46.13 | pythonsnake | or one vm per server type |
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| 18:46.16 | pythonsnake | service* |
| 18:46.28 | cdb23ax | and apt autoclean gave me an error not enough disk space |
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| 18:47.03 | austeregrim | pythonsnake, kind of out of the realm of #debian... but I'd suggest, how you want to bill that time |
| 18:47.10 | glauxosdever | Yippie! It works! |
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| 18:47.38 | pythonsnake | austeregrim: how to bill that time? |
| 18:47.39 | teraflops | glauxosdever: about the initramfs warnings they are fine |
| 18:47.40 | austeregrim | pythonsnake, if you bill a voice server different or separate from a game server, then maybe one vm per service type |
| 18:48.15 | austeregrim | pythonsnake, personally I believe one computer (vm) should do one thing (service). |
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| 18:49.18 | austeregrim | pythonsnake, also you can spin up specific vms for specific users for specific services... not a vm that spins up all three services and you lock out one or two |
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| 18:51.27 | pythonsnake | austeregrim: you think one vm per user per service? |
| 18:51.33 | jackcom | i complete installing Debian. graphic is good :) |
| 18:52.03 | austeregrim | pythonsnake, yes... and you can bill a user for time for each service used |
| 18:52.12 | austeregrim | i assume you're billing your customers |
| 18:52.20 | austeregrim | or want to |
| 18:52.27 | pythonsnake | yes |
| 18:52.49 | pythonsnake | ok that sounds very interesting, thanks |
| 18:52.55 | pythonsnake | I'll read up about how to bill on time used |
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| 18:53.13 | austeregrim | the solution to do that, is not something I know... but that would be the design of it |
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| 18:53.54 | austeregrim | or at least the requirements. you have to set out the requirements you want to have for this project... |
| 18:54.24 | pythonsnake | yeah, i'll think about it |
| 18:55.41 | austeregrim | you may have to make a front end and script how the users can spin up vms (monthly, ad hoc?)... and you can spindown vms when they're not in use. |
| 18:55.43 | jackcom | by the way, how can i study Debian? |
| 18:55.50 | guest273 | I have an odd problem that I have tried in both kubuntu and Ubuntu running under vmworkstation the latest kernel will not completely boot |
| 18:56.03 | Roland- | Hi folks, I need to set openvswitch-switch service to start before networking.service , is that an easy thing to do in jessie? |
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| 18:56.08 | austeregrim | jackcom, wiki.debian.org ? |
| 18:56.17 | guest273 | I have to reboot on prior kernel |
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| 18:57.08 | jackcom | root password is not correct lol |
| 18:57.09 | jackcom | :( |
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| 18:57.17 | jackcom | it is crazy :( |
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| 18:57.45 | guest273 | yup |
| 18:57.53 | Toba | 'correct' would be a pretty bad root pw |
| 18:57.59 | Lowl3v3l | guest273, not an ubuntu channel^^ |
| 18:58.06 | Toba | ducks |
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| 18:59.01 | jackcom | oh shit |
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| 18:59.12 | guest273 | I understand but the fact that they are both Debian based brought me here |
| 18:59.12 | austeregrim | Roland-, I'd think openvswitch might depend on networking? |
| 18:59.23 | jackcom | i must reinstall Debian because root pasword is not correct |
| 18:59.25 | jackcom | :( |
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| 19:00.30 | Roland- | austeregrim not really is the other way around |
| 19:00.41 | Roland- | openvswitch creates the interfaces for network to configure |
| 19:00.52 | Lowl3v3l | guest273, if you want ubuntu support you should go to an appropriate channel, they take debian packages and change them. So we wont be able to help with something that is most likely turned into a problem by this^^ |
| 19:00.55 | jackcom | when i log in user, i can change root password |
| 19:00.57 | jackcom | ? |
| 19:01.10 | Roland- | and currently after reboot the interfaces are not brought up so manually ifup them work |
| 19:01.29 | towo` | jackcom, no, only root can change the root pw |
| 19:01.40 | guest273 | OK but as I said it happens in both Ubuntu and kubuntu |
| 19:01.49 | jackcom | then i must reinstall Debian? |
| 19:01.58 | guest273 | low any other suggestions |
| 19:01.59 | towo` | jackcom, no, why? |
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| 19:02.14 | jackcom | i canât log in with root |
| 19:02.15 | towo` | guest273, play elsewhere |
| 19:02.19 | austeregrim | Roland-, well a quick google search turned up http://serverfault.com/questions/472030/how-to-list-services-daemons-started-at-boot-and-check-their-loading-order |
| 19:02.24 | jackcom | because root password is not correct |
| 19:02.32 | towo` | jackcom, login where? |
| 19:02.40 | towo` | jackcom, you can't loging as root to x |
| 19:02.41 | austeregrim | Roland-, change the order by changing the number? |
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| 19:02.52 | Lowl3v3l | jackcom, ofc you cant change the root password as a normal user... if you got the appropriate sudo permissions on this user you can change the roots password of course |
| 19:02.57 | towo` | jackcom, but in a terminal you can do su |
| 19:03.11 | jackcom | su? |
| 19:03.20 | guest273 | thanks you guys were less then great |
| 19:03.22 | jackcom | i canât log in with root? |
| 19:03.25 | towo` | jackcom, and you can change the root passwort over a live image and chroot |
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| 19:03.38 | towo` | jackcom, no one needs login as root to x |
| 19:04.01 | Lowl3v3l | guest273, bioth are distributions for people that dont want to solve or understand their own problems, created by a company that is second only to Microsoft in its maliciousness. so you will not find help here |
| 19:04.12 | towo` | he's gone |
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| 19:04.30 | jackcom | strange? i can change root when i input âsu -â and password |
| 19:04.45 | towo` | jackcom, as expected |
| 19:04.46 | jackcom | strange? i can change into root when i input âsu -â and password |
| 19:04.53 | towo` | jackcom, so where is the problem? |
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| 19:06.30 | jackcom | when i log in Debian, then i canât log in with root. is it normal? |
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| 19:06.59 | towo` | jackcom, how often you will ask this again? |
| 19:07.20 | jackcom | no one needs login as root to x <ââwhat is âto xâ ? towo` ? |
| 19:07.28 | towo` | jackcom, login as root into x is a security problem, so debian (and many other distro) prevents that |
| 19:07.39 | Lowl3v3l | jackcom, in your display manager? maybe, its the reasonable way to do it. and we dont fucking know how your system is configured. |
| 19:07.40 | jackcom | oh |
| 19:07.41 | towo` | jackcom, your graphical environment |
| 19:08.16 | jackcom | but CentOS can log in with root. :( |
| 19:08.18 | tabakhase | "google x11" is the answer to "what is into x" |
| 19:08.19 | Lowl3v3l | jackcom, one could disable root-login altogether on a deeper level ( using /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow) too and i suggest doing this |
| 19:08.24 | towo` | jackcom, and please, now it's time for you to learn the debian basics |
| 19:08.25 | towo` | then centos is crap |
| 19:08.34 | Lowl3v3l | jackcom, just a matter of configuration |
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| 19:08.43 | Lowl3v3l | towo`, i dont believe this is the centos-standard^^ |
| 19:08.51 | jackcom | configuration |
| 19:08.53 | jackcom | oh |
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| 19:08.55 | jackcom | good |
| 19:09.02 | jackcom | ok i understand it |
| 19:09.05 | Lowl3v3l | you dont |
| 19:09.08 | towo` | Lowl3v3l, how should i know of, i've never used centos |
| 19:09.18 | welpo | it worked markybob, thanks :) |
| 19:09.30 | jackcom | Rute tutorial is good? |
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| 19:10.08 | jackcom | Debian graphic is nice |
| 19:10.10 | jackcom | great |
| 19:10.24 | jackcom | Debian > CentOS > ubuntu |
| 19:10.28 | jackcom | in graphic |
| 19:10.29 | Lowl3v3l | jackcom, take the debian wiki. or the arch wiki for those basic matters if the debian wiki hasn't got anything to say on a subject. Dont use the wikis or forums of mint, ubuntu... ( insert all other beginner distros here) or youtube |
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| 19:11.12 | jackcom | ok Lowl3v3l :) |
| 19:11.26 | jackcom | Lowl3v3l: you are c++ programmer? |
| 19:11.56 | Lowl3v3l | i am afraid of what will happen, but yes i am. |
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| 19:14.00 | jackcom | oh i remember you. |
| 19:14.05 | jackcom | Lowl3v3l: :) |
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| 19:15.01 | jackcom | i think that Ubuntu is best linux, but it is not |
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| 19:15.12 | jackcom | from now i will not use ubuntu |
| 19:15.14 | jackcom | :( |
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| 19:16.23 | GoGi | where does the standard output of cron jobs go in a default debian installation? |
| 19:16.33 | GoGi | i cannot find it anywhere |
| 19:16.42 | jackcom | i m very satisfied at Debian |
| 19:16.45 | jackcom | :) |
| 19:17.45 | grawity | GoGi: emailed to you if a MTA is installed; syslog otherwise |
| 19:17.50 | Pseudo | jackcom: dont you want to use Windows? |
| 19:17.51 | humbot | i see mine with the mail command |
| 19:17.53 | towo` | GoGi, to systemd-journal? |
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| 19:18.17 | jackcom | Pseudo: i use windows when i play game |
| 19:18.18 | jackcom | :) |
| 19:18.27 | jackcom | StraCraft |
| 19:18.28 | Pseudo | photoshop graphics is nice too |
| 19:19.01 | towo` | GoGi, journalctl --no-pager | grep -i cron |
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| 19:22.27 | GoGi | I see (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) |
| 19:22.33 | GoGi | but not its output |
| 19:22.41 | GoGi | maybe it is simply thrown away? |
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| 19:23.23 | towo` | which output you expect? |
| 19:23.41 | karlpinc | GoGi: man 5 crontab |
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| 19:25.38 | solata | hi |
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| 19:27.00 | solata | hmm ... i am trying to make a reverse ssh tunel to my debian box with putty. i can make it work but on debian host it will bind to local interface, so connections to the tunnel can only be done from the debian box itself, but not from other machines in the network. is it possible to bind the tunnel on 0.0.0.0 or to some other specific interface (docker0) ? |
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| 19:28.28 | Kobaz | ugh, systemd |
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| 19:28.43 | Kobaz | preventing this box from booting because of something in dbus |
| 19:28.46 | Kobaz | removing systemd fixed it |
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| 19:29.37 | grawity | solata: on Debian, you need to enable GatewayPorts in sshd_config |
| 19:29.50 | solata | thanks |
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| 19:30.12 | grawity | solata: and in PuTTY use the "Remote ports do the same" checkbox that's under "Local ports accept connections from other hosts" |
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| 19:34.25 | solata | do i need to restart sshd after changing the config ? |
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| 19:35.02 | dgm816 | solata: yes |
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| 19:36.15 | BinBasher | does the live version have an installer now? |
| 19:36.37 | solata | still ... tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 |
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| 19:37.34 | solata | no sorry |
| 19:37.35 | solata | it works |
| 19:37.40 | solata | thanks a lot ! |
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| 19:57.29 | tha | hi - has anyone seen the error: Error: Can't sync mailbox virtual: Mailbox isn't selectable when trying to use dsync to synchronize e-mails with dovecot? |
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| 19:58.57 | jackcom | i can install progam with âyumâ? |
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| 19:59.23 | jim | jackcom, what linux are you running? |
| 19:59.33 | jackcom | lol |
| 19:59.36 | jackcom | Debian |
| 19:59.51 | tha | use apt-get / aptitude jackom |
| 19:59.54 | jim | then no. you can install programs with apt-get. |
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| 20:00.07 | solata | weird ... i tried doing the same on the boot2docker ... updated /usr/local/etc/ssh/sshd_config to set GatewayPorts yes and then /usr/local/etc/init.d/openssh restart ... new connection with correct putty settings (they worked on my debian box) ... however it still binds to 127.0.0.1 inside boot2docker. |
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| 20:00.10 | jackcom | apt-get is used in ubuntu too |
| 20:00.16 | towo` | and? |
| 20:00.22 | jackcom | anyway what is aptitude? |
| 20:00.30 | jim | jackcom, is your networking up on the debian machine? |
| 20:00.31 | towo` | another backend |
| 20:00.45 | jackcom | oh |
| 20:00.51 | jackcom | then i can use two command |
| 20:01.06 | jackcom | apt-get and aptitude |
| 20:01.20 | jim | which you should learn about |
| 20:01.21 | towo` | no 3 |
| 20:01.31 | towo` | apt-get, apt and aptitude |
| 20:01.36 | jackcom | oh |
| 20:01.40 | jackcom | nice |
| 20:02.00 | jim | and there are some other choices |
| 20:02.02 | jackcom | jim: i donât know what you mean? |
| 20:02.22 | jim | jackcomm by what? |
| 20:02.25 | towo` | jackcom, you where told to learn the basics |
| 20:02.39 | towo` | jackcom, and that more than one time |
| 20:02.46 | jackcom | i think that âyumâ is powerful because it can solve dependency. |
| 20:03.02 | towo` | as apt/aptitude can even |
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| 20:03.08 | jim | jackcom, does not exist in debian. |
| 20:03.14 | towo` | that's why debian is using it |
| 20:03.30 | jackcom | i will use Debian from now jim |
| 20:03.35 | towo` | and now it sounds like trolling |
| 20:04.04 | jackcom | jim: i use Debian on vmware |
| 20:04.18 | jackcom | so i donât edit internet jim |
| 20:04.46 | jim | can you ping yahoo.com? |
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| 20:04.54 | jackcom | now? |
| 20:05.00 | jim | yep |
| 20:05.16 | jackcom | yeah i turn on vmware again |
| 20:05.19 | jackcom | wait |
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| 20:06.06 | jim | is not understanding your responses to requests for information |
| 20:06.26 | solata | does openssh have another setting which would prevent from GatewayPorts from working as expected ? |
| 20:06.33 | jackcom | 64 bytes from ir1.fp.vip.gq1.yahoo.com (206.190.36.45): icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=162 ms |
| 20:06.34 | jackcom | 64 bytes from ir1.fp.vip.gq1.yahoo.com (206.190.36.45): icmp_seq=2 ttl=128 time=167 ms |
| 20:06.34 | jackcom | 64 bytes from ir1.fp.vip.gq1.yahoo.com (206.190.36.45): icmp_seq=3 ttl=128 time=166 ms |
| 20:06.40 | jackcom | jim: whatâs wrong? |
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| 20:06.58 | jim | and that is from your debian box? |
| 20:07.05 | jackcom | yes |
| 20:07.13 | jackcom | i did it on debian |
| 20:07.16 | jim | ok, so your networking is up |
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| 20:07.36 | kion | Hello, I am trying to install the package freeglut3-dev but I comes with this error message: http://pastebin.com/ZStFNHFu any ideas? |
| 20:07.36 | jackcom | lol jim it is natural. because i use vmware |
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| 20:08.07 | solata | is it possible to somehow tell linux to redirect everything from ETH1:3306 to LOCAL:3306 ? |
| 20:08.17 | jackcom | i think that Debian is better than Mint |
| 20:08.46 | jim | so, probably, do most people here |
| 20:09.04 | towo` | kion, you do not use stable? |
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| 20:09.25 | kion | towo`, Yes, I am on Stable and have also enabled backports |
| 20:09.59 | towo` | kion, what does apt install freeglut3-dev ibgl1-mesa-dev ibglu1-mesa-dev tell you? |
| 20:10.54 | kion | towo`, E: Unable to locate package ibgl1-mesa-dev E: Unable to locate package ibglu1-mesa-dev |
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| 20:11.53 | towo` | kion, show your sources |
| 20:12.20 | BinBasher | I prefer aptitude |
| 20:12.25 | BinBasher | start the flame war |
| 20:13.58 | kion | towo`, here they are: http://pastebin.com/8UVR85Nb |
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| 20:14.34 | towo` | kion, both packages ibgl1-mesa-dev and ibglu1-mesa-dev are in stable |
| 20:14.52 | towo` | kion, apt-cache policy ibgl1-mesa-dev ibglu1-mesa-dev |
| 20:15.10 | kion | towo`, what does the last command do? |
| 20:15.34 | towo` | it should tell you the repo for the 2 packages |
| 20:15.49 | towo` | kion, and i hope you have dona an apt update |
| 20:16.23 | towo` | and btw, remove the cdrom line from that sources |
| 20:16.52 | towo` | it makes nno sense to have the cdrom as repo, since the cdrom is outdated |
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| 20:17.26 | kion | towo`, Yes of course I did update before asking.... let me run the apt-cache.. |
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| 20:20.11 | kion | towo`, libgl1-mesa-dev: Installed: (none) Candidate: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1 Version table: 11.1.2-1~bpo8+1 0 100 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports/main amd64 Packages 10.3.2-1+deb8u1 0 500 http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages |
| 20:20.59 | towo` | kion so apt install libgl1-mesa-dev should work |
| 20:21.14 | towo` | and not ending in unable to locate package |
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| 20:22.44 | kion | towo`, this is what I get: libgl1-mesa-dev : Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx (= 10.3.2-1+deb8u1) but 11.1.2-1~bpo8+1 is to be installed |
| 20:22.56 | towo` | kion, then it's clear |
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| 20:23.16 | giancarlo | ciao |
| 20:23.19 | giancarlo | !list |
| 20:23.19 | dpkg | giancarlo: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 20:23.35 | kion | towo`, not to me, can you explain? please? |
| 20:23.42 | towo` | kion, you have to do apt -t jessie-backports install freeglut3-dev |
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| 20:24.00 | kion | towo`, ohh I see thanks! |
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| 20:29.45 | Kobaz | man |
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| 20:29.53 | Kobaz | having a really hard time getting a working system now that systemd is gone |
| 20:31.45 | Kobaz | networking wont start, and i don't get a login console |
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| 20:35.46 | mystica555_ | Kobaz: did you put any other init system back in? |
| 20:35.51 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 20:35.52 | Kobaz | systemv |
| 20:35.56 | Kobaz | it boots, kind of |
| 20:36.17 | mystica555_ | id imagine a lot of the scripts are still based on upstart vs raw sysv; there may be some incompatibilities |
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| 20:38.44 | RandomUser301 | hi. can someone spare a few minutes to help me set up logrotate? my /var partition was at 0% free a few minutes ago :-) |
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| 20:39.51 | abrotman | RandomUser301: it already is setup . .what was hogging the psace? |
| 20:39.53 | abrotman | space |
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| 20:41.37 | BinBasher | abrotman: reckless astronauts of course |
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| 20:43.23 | RandomUser301 | abrotman, messages user.log and syslog mostly |
| 20:44.50 | RandomUser301 | abrotman, those 3 together fill ~1,1GB |
| 20:45.03 | RandomUser301 | abrotman, my /var total is 2,8GB - to small? |
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| 20:47.14 | RandomUser301 | this message is filling my logs http://pastebin.com/tAhAy7JD :-) |
| 20:47.54 | RandomUser301 | well this two actually http://pastebin.com/Cbahtr0z |
| 20:48.02 | abrotman | RandomUser301: |
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| 20:48.27 | abrotman | RandomUser301: you're on testing/unstable? |
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| 20:48.48 | abrotman | RandomUser301: you can increase how often it runs ... see the things in /etc/cron.* |
| 20:49.16 | RandomUser301 | abrotman, on jessie |
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| 20:50.29 | RandomUser301 | abrotman, hmm. if i run logrotate --force /etc/logrotate.conf its still at 90% usage (unchanged) |
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| 20:52.46 | RandomUser301 | can i just clean /var/cache, that hogs another 800 mb |
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| 20:53.22 | RandomUser301 | aptitude autoclean freed 110 |
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| 20:54.33 | rlange | RandomUser301: unless you really need to keep previous debs for some reason, try `aptitude clean` |
| 20:54.52 | RandomUser301 | aptitude clean freed a lot |
| 20:54.55 | RandomUser301 | thx rlange and google :) |
| 20:55.10 | RandomUser301 | now its at 1.1G free and 1.7 used |
| 20:56.10 | RandomUser301 | should i do something about the spam in my logfiles? :^) |
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| 20:58.32 | RandomUser301 | seems like this gstreamer thingy is causing the problems. now if i only knew how to find out which program uses this package :^) |
| 20:59.10 | dutchfish | RandomUser301, aptitude why gstreamer ? |
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| 21:00.50 | RandomUser301 | dutchfish, can i use wildcards on that? im not sure about the package name :D |
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| 21:01.52 | dutchfish | rabbitear, argh, not directly but dpkg -l | grep gstreamer will reveal wich libs or tools you have installed |
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| 21:02.16 | dutchfish | oops that was for RandomUser301 |
| 21:03.07 | RandomUser301 | dutchfish, interesting, it doesnt list tumbler in that but i think tumbler is the culprit |
| 21:03.30 | RandomUser301 | dutchfish, because thats the logfile line org.freedesktop.thumbnails.Thumbnailer1[1250]: (tumblerd:1953): GStreamer-CRITICAL |
| 21:03.57 | dutchfish | RandomUser301, , you can then aptitude why on each of them or contruct a piped oneliner |
| 21:04.30 | dutchfish | RandomUser301, is this Debian jessie? |
| 21:04.55 | RandomUser301 | dutchfish, yes. and i dont really need a thumbnailing thingy :^) so i could just remove tumbler, right? |
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| 21:05.20 | dutchfish | RandomUser301, i gues so, but check it with rdepends |
| 21:05.45 | jmcnaught | RandomUser301: it would probably be less invasive to simply disable thumbnails in the file manager that you use |
| 21:05.47 | dutchfish | RandomUser301, something like apt-rdepends foo |
| 21:05.48 | RandomUser301 | dutchfish, thats the full lines which spam my logfiles (causing my var partition to be at 0% free space earlier today :D) |
| 21:05.56 | RandomUser301 | http://pastebin.com/Cbahtr0z |
| 21:07.38 | dutchfish | RandomUser301, looks like tumbler, yes |
| 21:07.41 | RandomUser301 | jmcnaught, is there an option for that or do you mean just dont browse folders in a mode where i could have thumbnails? |
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| 21:08.00 | jmcnaught | RandomUser301: which file manager are you using? |
| 21:08.09 | RandomUser301 | thunar ^^ |
| 21:08.11 | dutchfish | RandomUser301, or/and file a bugreport |
| 21:08.22 | jim | RandomUser301, you might want to find out which dir holds the stuff in /var |
| 21:08.36 | dutchfish | RandomUser301, its likely not thunar |
| 21:08.50 | jmcnaught | RandomUser301: check the preferences. it's pretty easy to disable thumbnails in nautilus |
| 21:08.51 | RandomUser301 | jim, mostly /var/log and in that mostly messages, syslog and user.log |
| 21:09.10 | RandomUser301 | and in those 99% the lines at pastebin above : |
| 21:09.38 | RandomUser301 | jmcnaught, oh right, totally overlookd the 'show thumbnails' line :-D |
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| 21:09.50 | RandomUser301 | jmcnaught, i put it to never now ^^ |
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| 21:10.45 | RandomUser301 | why do i get this log entries in 3 of that files or are some of them symlinks to the other ones? |
| 21:10.55 | RandomUser301 | they all log the same tumbler errors :) |
| 21:10.58 | jim | ok, you would have to decide how you want to deal with them, you may wish to somehow process them, or truncate them |
| 21:11.33 | RandomUser301 | jim, i forced logrotate to put them aside by now and changed its config to keep the files for shorter time. should i also add some maxsize or something in the logrotate.conf? |
| 21:11.39 | jim | do you find them relevent to what you're doing, sufficiently to arrange to process them somehow? |
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| 21:12.21 | RandomUser301 | they are clustered with the tumbler errors by now. if they are fixed now by disabling thumbnails in thunar it would be nice to have them |
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| 21:13.11 | gh0st_irc_r34p3r | #flood |
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| 21:14.28 | RandomUser301 | no new tumbler spam in this logfiles yet :) i think its fine |
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| 21:15.12 | RandomUser301 | thanks abrotman, jm, jmcnaught and dutchfish (who left already) :) heading out until my system stalls/crashes the next time :D |
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| 21:41.01 | jmcnaught | axc1298: "apt-cache policy $package" can show you the version of a package |
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| 21:42.59 | axc1298 | jmcnaught: thanks. apt-cache policy gtk doesn't work. i didn't know what the actual package name was but someone showed me another method: dpkg -l libgtk2.0-0 libgtk-3-0 |
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| 21:44.51 | Fudster | Hey all... So during apt-get upgrade...I noticed GLIBC got updated.... |
| 21:45.18 | Fudster | Starting with version 2.21-1, the glibc requires a 3.2 or later Linux |
| 21:45.18 | Fudster | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.18 | Fudster | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.18 | Fudster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:45.37 | Fudster | Ops >.> |
| 21:45.46 | cra1g321 | !paste |
| 21:45.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 21:45.54 | Fudster | So uname -a returns this. 3.14.32-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 #1 SMP Sat Feb 7 12:07:25 CET 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:46.05 | Fudster | Should I be woried? |
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| 21:46.24 | tabakhase | i like the "Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!" part... :F |
| 21:46.47 | Fudster | GLIBC updated to 2.21-1 which supposedly requires a kernel of 3.2 or later. I am on 3.14 |
| 21:47.07 | Dagger | 3.14 is newer than 3.2 |
| 21:47.21 | Fudster | oh. |
| 21:47.26 | jmcnaught | Fudster: what distro are you using? |
| 21:47.31 | Fudster | debian. |
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| 21:47.47 | Dagger | (I don't think that's a Debian kernel, for what it's worth) |
| 21:47.52 | Fudster | so nothing to worry about then. |
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| 21:48.02 | jmcnaught | Fudster: is it a VPS? which release of Debian is it? |
| 21:48.11 | Fudster | jmcnaught: Its OVH debian. |
| 21:48.15 | Dagger | which is something that might affect dependency resolution in cases like this (although in this case it doesn't look like it's a problem) |
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| 21:48.41 | Fudster | I am not sure which release. Not my server. Just helping a friend. What command can I use to find out? |
| 21:49.32 | jmcnaught | Fudster: Debian Stable is currently using libc6 2.19. Testing is using 2.21-9. What does "lsb_release -a" report? |
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| 21:50.43 | BW^- | hm, how do you use the USB 3 cross-over interface for computers to talk to each other? |
| 21:50.58 | BW^- | is there any serial communication tool or the like, I guess bandwidth should be excellent? |
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| 21:51.22 | Fudster | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/AicmTlyT/ |
| 21:52.17 | Fudster | Does that mean what I think it means.... |
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| 21:52.22 | Fudster | "unstable" |
| 21:52.27 | jmcnaught | Fudster: running a server on unstable is a pretty bad idea |
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| 21:52.57 | Fudster | Yeah..I didn't notice it was unstable |
| 21:53.24 | jmcnaught | Fudster: check the /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* because probably someone put a sid repo line in and did an upgrade, possibly trying to install a newer version of something. |
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| 21:54.09 | Fudster | You mean "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main"? |
| 21:54.20 | jmcnaught | Fudster: anyways if it was me i'd back up all the config and data, do a reinstall back to stable (downgrades don't work) |
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| 21:55.00 | jmcnaught | Fudster: yeah that would be the culprit. Adding unstable/testing repos to a stable system is not the correct way to get newer versions of a package. It's how you get a broken frankendebian system. |
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| 21:59.08 | MeatHammer | Hey all: I'm trying to add a wlan adapter to a network namespace using "sudo ip link set wlan1 netns jail" but I get the error: "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument". Eth0 works fine. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 22:00.34 | MeatHammer | There's a fix listed: "sudo iw phy phy0 set netns 666" at https://superuser.com/questions/653996/how-to-move-wireless-connection-to-other-network-namespace but can anyone explain what the command does? |
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| 22:17.23 | Alez404 | :) |
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| 22:20.11 | sine0 | a while back i installed exim4 and mutt and i could add email usernames to my main account, i edited a file and it was like a hosts file in that i could put newusername@domin > root |
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| 22:20.26 | sine0 | and root would get the email. can anyone remind me what this file was |
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| 22:20.39 | sine0 | alis |
| 22:20.41 | sine0 | or something |
| 22:20.45 | sine0 | damn thats it |
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| 22:22.24 | Maws | Trying to install Debian to a USB stick (using it as a harddrive), but only get a black screen with a blinking cursor when trying to boot it - any tips on what might be wrong ? (Grub installed to the usb stick) |
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| 22:23.43 | sine0 | yes it worked im brilliant |
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| 22:26.29 | mtn | Maws, sounds like a video driver problem. try booting with nomodeset |
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| 22:27.15 | Maws | mtn, doesn't even get to GRUB so don't think I can pass any parameters to it ? |
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| 22:27.49 | mtn | Maws, are you sure it is not getting past grub? grub may not show |
| 22:28.09 | Maws | ahhh, no then I'm not sure.......any way to check it ? |
| 22:28.10 | mtn | Maws, hold down the shift key while booting. see if it shows up |
| 22:28.17 | Maws | ok, will test |
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| 22:29.07 | Maws | seems to go straight to a blinking cursor.... |
| 22:29.19 | mtn | Maws, uefi boot? |
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| 22:30.17 | Maws | Probably it's a lenovo thinkpad of newer date |
| 22:30.23 | Fudster | jmcnaught: Thanks for the answers. I passed it to my friend. We will probs fix it another day. |
| 22:30.34 | mtn | Maws, change to legacy boot and see what happens |
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| 22:30.49 | Maws | Will have a look thnx, cheers |
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| 22:33.46 | Maws | sadly still the same (it will boot a live image linux usb btw) |
| 22:34.22 | Maws | is there anything special thing one have to do while installing, or should it be straight forward...? |
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| 22:39.23 | MeatHammer | maws; if you get nothing at all i might suggest you wrote the mbr or maybe boot partition to the wrong disk / USB partition...? |
| 22:40.18 | g2000 | Hi guys, im trying to get a debian based entertainment system running, I successfully installed lightdm and openbox, but all gtk fonts are too small to read (monitor/television has 30 dpi @ 1980x720 px)... Is it possible to change the scale factor/font size for gtk fonts globally? |
| 22:40.49 | MeatHammer | Maws: its not super obvious because you have to note the partition early in the install and then change it when install is near complete. If youre doing this on a computer with a seperate disk in it, Id recommend you try booting that to make sure you didint overwrite its MBR |
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| 22:41.25 | r6ku | g2000: yes, check the font settings of your desktop environment |
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| 22:42.57 | MeatHammer | maws; dont get discouraged. USB sticks are one of the nicest ways to run linux, but you might consider something a little lighter than debian, like lubuntu |
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| 22:43.20 | g2000 | r6ku, im using openbox without an environment /: |
| 22:43.23 | Maws | I'l try a re-install now, as now it will go back to the boot menu after I try to boot (after disabling usb uefi bios support).......as it seem to have done something, yea the MBR should be alright as it boots windows fine (the reason I want to have debian on a stick is that from work this computer is "locked" down so can't do much in windows with it)........and migrating to Debian on my other computers anyway so :) |
| 22:44.00 | MeatHammer | ok cool good luck. if youre feeling up to it really reccomend encrypted volumes for everything but /boot. |
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| 22:45.16 | MeatHammer | maws; protip: save some space on the first partition to use as FAT32, and you can use it interchangeeably with windows machines. Only the very first partition though |
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| 22:46.00 | g2000 | r6ku: and the font in lightdm is too small as well |
| 22:46.02 | MeatHammer | maws; how big is the stick? you dont need swap space at all, you can do that from the command line anytime |
| 22:46.10 | r6ku | g2000: check your openbox config? I haven't used openbox in a long time |
| 22:46.13 | Maws | 16 GB |
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| 22:47.16 | MeatHammer | oh yeah. maybe make it dedicated then. You need about 115 megs for a boot partition, if youre going the encrypted route |
| 22:47.57 | r6ku | g2000: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Openbox |
| 22:48.18 | Maws | read somewhere one had to do "ull initrd"m which I did on the last install I did........any idea about that or should a "normal" install do the job (without going the "advanced installer" route) |
| 22:48.33 | MeatHammer | maws (alternateltely the installer will ask you if you wanna encrypt just /home) |
| 22:49.00 | Maws | is that the "LVM" (or whatever it was called) during installer? |
| 22:49.05 | MeatHammer | maws; youll have to pick manually configre the partitions. not sure about the rest, always do lubuntu on sticks myself. |
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| 22:49.59 | MeatHammer | maws; yes. you use LVM to create and encrypted LUKS partition, then you create a logical volume inside the container. its a little tricky but once you get the hang of it you are ste |
| 22:50.01 | MeatHammer | set |
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| 22:50.34 | g2000 | r6ku: I tried to install xfce earlier and had the same problem, all gtk-dependent applications (including lightdm) have an extremely small font size |
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| 22:51.54 | James123 | What is the easiest way to create a debian package? I have a folder with some files and basically I want to create a package that when installed, copies the files to some locations |
| 22:51.58 | MeatHammer | maws; and if you encrypt the whole stick you can forego encrypting home, again |
| 22:52.27 | MeatHammer | maws; again, with the exception of /boot which has to be readable at boot |
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| 22:52.57 | Maws | ok, thnx for the tips......:) I'l have another go now.....:) |
| 22:53.04 | MeatHammer | good luck |
| 22:53.29 | MeatHammer | maws; one last thing |
| 22:54.10 | MeatHammer | maws; you can probably create the stick using USB3.0, but unless you have the latest generation of processor you wont be able to boot from it, have to use USB2 |
| 22:54.10 | Maws | yea? |
| 22:54.21 | MeatHammer | maws; its shitty |
| 22:54.46 | Maws | ahhh, that might be thw problem then or ? (do I have to disable usb 3.0 ? |
| 22:54.53 | Maws | (the stick is 3.0) |
| 22:55.00 | MeatHammer | Maws: yes this might be your problem actually |
| 22:55.06 | Maws | or do I have to change out to a 3.0 stick ? |
| 22:55.09 | MeatHammer | MeatHammer: how old is the computer? |
| 22:55.13 | Maws | 2.0 stick |
| 22:55.13 | MeatHammer | err Maws |
| 22:55.30 | MeatHammer | oh ok so just use the 2.0 port (not coloured) on the computer... if it has one? |
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| 22:56.19 | Maws | I can disable usb 3.0 support in the bios I think I'v only tried one port, so will see if it can boot afterwards......2 sec :) |
| 22:56.26 | MeatHammer | ya try that |
| 22:59.08 | g2000 | Is there a system-wide .gtkrc? |
| 22:59.08 | Quatroking | ð |
| 23:00.23 | Maws | hmmm, wouldn't boot, but I'l try a re-install with usb 3,.0 disabled and see how it goes.......if not I'l try a usb 2.0 stick (the main reason I bought the 3.,0 stick was that I didn't have a "low" format stick laying around....:) ) |
| 23:00.38 | Maws | any idea if the 3.0 thing will eventually be fixed ? |
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| 23:03.47 | g2000 | r6ku: ill try to change some values in gtkrc tomorrow, but thanks for your help anyway! |
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| 23:04.19 | mrrhq | AFAIK, USB 3.0 support is still a little buggy, specifically xhci_hcd. I don't know if anyone will make the driver better. |
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| 23:05.18 | jmz-b | yoyo |
| 23:05.41 | jmz-b | quick question, anyone got any advice on pci(e) wireless cards? |
| 23:06.17 | mrrhq | What advice? You mean which one to get? |
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| 23:06.21 | jmz-b | I hear Atheros chipsets are mostly compatible but I can't seem to find any recent advice |
| 23:06.31 | jmz-b | yh pretty much |
| 23:07.18 | jmz-b | I want to buy what ever is the highest quality card which is pretty much an out the box kinda deal with debian |
| 23:07.20 | mrrhq | Most of the TP-Link ones are ath9k compatible. You can also look up wireless card on f-node, which is a great resource for finding hardware that works well with GNU/Linux. |
| 23:08.08 | jmz-b | f-node? google gives me bull hit |
| 23:08.09 | mrrhq | Sorry it's h-node.org |
| 23:08.13 | jmz-b | oh thanks |
| 23:08.46 | mrrhq | No prob. |
| 23:09.17 | jmz-b | lots of choice I guess, any personal recomendations? |
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| 23:13.04 | mrrhq | Be careful with USB dongles and Wireless AC. As far was I know, there are no Wireless AC cards that work with free FIRMWARE, just free drivers. |
| 23:14.11 | aedinius | Is Ctrl-Alt-Esc handled by Xorg or by a window manager? Someone seems to disagree with me on that. |
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| 23:15.26 | mrrhq | It's Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. Do you want to know how to enable it? |
| 23:15.38 | mrrhq | (Don't do it unless you know it is.) |
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| 23:18.33 | jmz-b | thanks again mrrhq |
| 23:18.35 | jmz-b | noted |
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| 23:22.43 | mrrhq | Lol, yeah. I hope I'm not the only one wondering why Qualcomm didn't release the firmware for ath10k. It's selfishness. |
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| 23:25.42 | slacko64_30850 | need help. newly installed debian wont boot. no messages, just cursor. |
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| 23:26.58 | Pseudo | do u see a grub screen? |
| 23:27.15 | Pseudo | from first at booting the machine |
| 23:27.32 | slacko64_30850 | i don't know what a grub screen is, but no. no screen. just cursor and then nothing |
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| 23:28.11 | slacko64_30850 | yes when booting. nothing, just cursor |
| 23:28.15 | slacko64_30850 | then nothing |
| 23:28.35 | Pseudo | what did u see first thing when turn on the machine?.. |
| 23:29.04 | markybob | slacko64_30850: did you use the live install? |
| 23:29.08 | slacko64_30850 | i just FIRED bill gates. first time using linux. im on live cd. puppy linux |
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| 23:29.25 | Toba | you're on a live cd, you haven't fired bill gates yet |
| 23:29.37 | Toba | he's on unpaid administrative leave at best |
| 23:29.40 | markybob | slacko64_30850: that's what i thought. live cd doesn't support uefi. |
| 23:29.59 | slacko64_30850 | when i turn machine on i get a blank screen with a cursor, that all , the nothing happens |
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| 23:30.12 | Pseudo | maybe if its not booting problem since u havent to install it... |
| 23:30.16 | markybob | i guess listening isn't your strong suit |
| 23:30.19 | mtn | !puppy |
| 23:30.37 | slacko64_30850 | re toba. i wipe MS junk from my machine, so....... |
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| 23:30.54 | mtn | !puppylinux |
| 23:30.54 | dpkg | Puppy Linux is a GNU/Linux mini-distribution. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.puppylinux.com/ #puppylinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:31.07 | Toba | ^ |
| 23:31.14 | slacko64_30850 | I have install debian. luckily i am smart enought to know to make a live cd so i will have a work OS |
| 23:31.34 | markybob | slacko64_30850: you're not smart enough to listen to anyone so i doubt that |
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| 23:34.16 | slacko64_30850 | markybob, i think youre not the one listening. I have install debian, but it wont boot. I talk to you from my emergency OS, puppy. |
| 23:34.43 | Pseudo | if you got a debian live cd to be able to install it on your coumputer maybe u should to do it now ...as per u said u said wipe MS junk from the machine |
| 23:35.24 | slacko64_30850 | pseudo. it's not the live cd im having problem with. it debian |
| 23:35.31 | Pseudo | if im not wrong and there is no other left OS inside the computer.. |
| 23:35.36 | mtn | slacko64_30850, when you boot, hold down the shift key and see if the grub menu comes up |
| 23:35.47 | r6ku | the only thing I can think of is that you didn't install grub correctly, iirc it's possible to mess up during that step of the installation |
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| 23:36.11 | slacko64_30850 | mtn. i will try it. but i dont know what grub screen is. |
| 23:36.31 | mtn | slacko64_30850, it is a screen with a menu, and it says grub on the screen ;) |
| 23:36.53 | Pseudo | slacko64_30850: i told you earlier but you wont be listening |
| 23:36.55 | Pseudo | xd |
| 23:37.10 | slacko64_30850 | pseudo: told me what? |
| 23:37.58 | mtn | slacko64_30850, if you can get to the grub screen, try using nomodeset. |
| 23:38.01 | Pseudo | slacko64_30850: so when do u wipe your MS pile of junk and when do u install debian from the live cd? which is which ? |
| 23:38.31 | slacko64_30850 | mtn: thax, ill try it |
| 23:38.35 | mtn | Pseudo, he has been clear. he installed debian to the hard drive. it won't boot. he is now on a live disk |
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| 23:39.06 | Pseudo | mtn: maybe he is now in puppylinux.. |
| 23:39.08 | Pseudo | xd |
| 23:39.10 | slacko64_30850 | pseudo: i running puppy off the live cd as my back up OS. Im trying to install debian |
| 23:39.43 | markybob | slacko64_30850: did you hear me about uefi? |
| 23:41.17 | austeregrim | don't get me started on uefi... that's a thing that'll never take off |
| 23:41.32 | slacko64_30850 | pseudo: get with the program buddy. I said im running of puppy now. Im tring to install dabian |
| 23:41.38 | armin | hi. i have a debian testing system here running wget 1.17.1 where wget'ting a url segfaults. on debian stable, running 1.16, this works fine. can anyone try to reproduce that segfault? https://raw.githubusercontent.com/JohnMorales/dotfiles/master/colors/24-bit-color.sh thanks. |
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| 23:41.57 | mtn | slacko64_30850, I thought you said it was installed already. is it installed or not? |
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| 23:42.32 | slacko64_30850 | mtn: yes, ive installed debian from network install, but it wont boot up |
| 23:42.44 | slacko64_30850 | i get only a cursor |
| 23:42.47 | slacko64_30850 | then nothing |
| 23:42.49 | markybob | slacko64_30850: you really should listen to me about uefi. last time i'm mentioning it. |
| 23:42.50 | mtn | slacko64_30850, ok, off you go. test what I told you. let us know. |
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| 23:43.14 | mtn | markybob, how does uefi apply if debian was installed from netinstall? |
| 23:43.15 | slacko64_30850 | mtn: i will. thax |
| 23:43.30 | Pseudo | slacko64_30850: so what is with you now seriously? a debian live cd already burn into a cd or with a usb stick?.. |
| 23:43.32 | slacko64_30850 | marky bob: what is uefi |
| 23:44.25 | Pseudo | slacko64_30850: if you already isntalled it but the grub wont come out u can boot it again from the live cd in your computer and choose advance option to re[air the grub erro |
| 23:44.28 | Pseudo | *error |
| 23:44.33 | slacko64_30850 | Pseudo: Im going to say this only one more time. debian is installed but wont boot. Im running off puppy now. |
| 23:45.32 | slacko64_30850 | pseudo. i see what you are saying now. yes. i will try it. thax |
| 23:45.37 | nebg | hello everyone... do somebody here uses wine and winetricks on debian ? |
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| 23:46.12 | markybob | nebg: you might have better luck in #winehq |
| 23:46.39 | Pseudo | slacko64_30850: thanks if you keen on listening |
| 23:46.46 | slacko64_30850 | markybob: i dont know what nebg or #winehq is. |
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| 23:47.12 | markybob | seriously |
| 23:47.24 | Maws | slacko64_30850,: nebg is another user, #winehq is another channel.........lol |
| 23:47.29 | g2000 | bash.org incoming |
| 23:47.47 | Maws | markybob, <----- what he said ;) |
| 23:49.06 | slacko64_30850 | I am new to linux. so im having problems. linux is very different from MS |
| 23:50.35 | Maws | slacko64_30850, no worries......;) (quite new myself) |
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| 23:51.33 | slacko64_30850 | goddamn! im glad to be rid of bill gates. i'm free! :D |
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| 23:57.41 | Paianni | you're always free :) |
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