| 00:01.03 | elky | I've got a laptop here on testing that hasn't been updated in a couple of months. while resolving dependencies aptitude keeps crapping out and getting killed. wat do? |
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| 00:01.32 | okee | Has anyone on here taken this course(s)? http://ocw.uoc.edu/computer-science-technology-and-multimedia/advanced-administration-of-the-gnu-linux-operating-system/Course_listing |
| 00:01.37 | markybob | elky: testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic not here |
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| 00:02.31 | elky | o.O |
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| 00:27.23 | DrunkenDwarf | Hi all. I'm trying to build a .deb package of a project. Following https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html it says I can specify an architecture for dependancies in my DEBIAN/control file, i.e. " Depends: foo [i386], bar [amd64]" but when I'm running dpkg-deb its telling me I have a syntax error and it doesn't like the '[' |
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| 00:28.24 | TomTomTosch | alive876__, you can use -I to add a directory to be searched for header files. |
| 00:28.48 | markybob | !tell DrunkenDwarf about mentors |
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| 00:29.00 | alive876__ | ok |
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| 00:29.36 | alive876__ | seems kind of stange when its already specified in the file |
| 00:30.10 | TomTomTosch | alive876__, but where should gcc know where the header file is located? |
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| 00:31.27 | themill | DrunkenDwarf: [ ] is only permitted in source packages not in binary packages |
| 00:32.09 | alive876__ | i see what your saying this is specied <dlib/image_processing.h> but g++ needs to know where dlib is |
| 00:32.37 | TomTomTosch | alive876__, yes. |
| 00:33.00 | DrunkenDwarf | themill, ahhh, bugger. I thought that had solved all my woes. .. is there a way to specify differeing depandancies depending on architecture for binary packages? As thats what ive been trying to do for ages |
| 00:33.28 | alive876__ | ok ,thanks! |
| 00:33.34 | themill | DrunkenDwarf: are you not building from source? |
| 00:34.16 | DrunkenDwarf | themill, no, its platform independant stuff that does not require building. Just trying to wrap it up nicely in .deb |
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| 00:35.22 | themill | DrunkenDwarf: you can (and should) still build the package from a source package |
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| 00:40.16 | DrunkenDwarf | themill, hmmmm, I will have to do more reading it seems. What I hoped was going to be a simple method of distrobution/update is getting a lot more complicated. ... though just so I know, I take it there isn't a way to define seperate dependancies based on architecture for binary packages? |
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| 00:44.40 | moov | can somebody help me? i'm trying to install grub via 'grub-install /dev/sdb' whereas my second harddisk is located at. the answer is: grub-install: warning: Couldn't find physical volume `(null)'. Some modules may be missing from core image.. please help. |
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| 00:46.47 | egrain | don't you need some extra stuff to tell it if its legacy or uefi? |
| 00:46.54 | egrain | legacy would be: grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdx |
| 00:46.56 | themill | DrunkenDwarf: the only way of doing this for a binary package would be to use the same tool to turn a debian/control from the source package into the one for a binary package. Or you could write a tool yourself using python-debian to do this... but it would probably be better to not reinvent that wheel |
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| 00:50.05 | moov | grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdb causes the same error message... |
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| 00:51.14 | egrain | then i don't know. sorry. i'm sure you have checked if there actually is an sdb in /dev/ |
| 00:52.17 | solrize | is there a way with apt-get to figure out what version of a package i already have installed? -V as described in man page doesn't work, it just says "you have the latest version" |
| 00:52.32 | markybob | solrize: dpkg -l packagename |
| 00:52.39 | solrize | aha thanks |
| 00:53.25 | moov | egrain: yes, i've checked it's definitely /dev/sdb |
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| 00:53.54 | themill | solrize: "apt-cache policy packagename" will give you additional context |
| 00:54.18 | solrize | hmm ok thanks. but yeah i found with dpkg -l that the version in the debian distro is older than the application wants |
| 00:54.29 | solrize | so i have to download and build the library |
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| 00:54.41 | solrize | no biggie |
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| 00:54.48 | themill | what are you trying to do? |
| 00:55.01 | solrize | build gnupg which has some library dependencies |
| 00:55.14 | phil__ | I'm looking for a gnome 3 calendar app (other than evolution) that works with the shell clock/calendar notification function. Any suggestions ! |
| 00:57.08 | TomTomTosch | solrize, is there a reason you don't want to use gnupg2 provided by jessie? |
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| 01:04.03 | solrize | TomTomTosch, i'm running wheezy |
| 01:04.58 | TomTomTosch | solrize, same question though. wheezy-backports has gnupg 2.0.25 plus debian security patches. |
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| 01:05.16 | solrize | debian has patched the security of gnupg? |
| 01:05.44 | TomTomTosch | solrize, yes |
| 01:06.04 | solrize | um that doesn't sound good, is there a description of the patches somewhere? did they send them back upstream? |
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| 01:06.55 | themill | the patches would normally be going the opposite direction |
| 01:07.16 | solrize | well i just downloaded gnupg sources from gnupg.org, so i should have everything then |
| 01:07.31 | markybob | doubt you can build it on wheezy |
| 01:07.53 | TomTomTosch | and it's not supported. there is really no reason to build it yourself. |
| 01:08.30 | themill | solrize: when it comes to crypto bits, I'd rather trust the maintainer who knows what they are doing over anything I did myself. |
| 01:08.57 | solrize | well the maintainer is the guy who runs gnupg.org and i'm trying to build what he put on his site |
| 01:09.17 | r6ku | solrize: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ |
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| 01:09.22 | themill | that's not what I mean |
| 01:09.23 | TomTomTosch | you are free to do so but it's not supported. |
| 01:09.43 | solrize | looking in tracker |
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| 01:10.25 | solrize | i guess wheezy is oldstable and i don't see anything about gnupg in there |
| 01:11.01 | solrize | oh whoa https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/gnupg |
| 01:11.44 | solrize | man this is scary |
| 01:12.20 | TomTomTosch | that's why building it yourself is a bad idea. no security patches. |
| 01:12.52 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.01 | TomTomTosch | yes, that too ;D |
| 01:13.26 | solrize | markybob, well i've had to download a bunch of newer libraries |
| 01:13.33 | TomTomTosch | D: |
| 01:13.40 | markybob | solrize: oh so you're breaking all sorts of shit |
| 01:13.49 | solrize | but why is it that gnupg.org doesn't have these patches? |
| 01:13.58 | solrize | is there gpg2.1 in wheezy distro anyway? |
| 01:14.00 | themill | solrize: what makes you say they do not? |
| 01:14.12 | TomTomTosch | most patches come from upstream |
| 01:14.26 | themill | solrize: the best solution to "I want newer packages" is "upgrade from oldstable" |
| 01:14.29 | solrize | well if you're saying i shouldn't rebuild because i might miss some patches, that makes me ask why gnupg.org doesn't have the packages |
| 01:14.35 | TomTomTosch | if a debian maintainer patches something himself, they are encouraged to send it upstream. |
| 01:14.39 | markybob | !tell solrize about frankendebian |
| 01:14.40 | solrize | s/patckages/patches/ |
| 01:14.46 | markybob | !tell solrize about dontbreakdebian |
| 01:15.18 | solrize | markybob i'm not getting bot messages but i think i understand what you're saying ... i should be using nix or guix ;-) |
| 01:15.20 | TomTomTosch | solrize, you would have to build it once a week to stay secure. |
| 01:15.43 | solrize | if gnupg can't stay secure for one lousy week why should i ever trust it to begin with???? :) |
| 01:16.00 | TomTomTosch | right... |
| 01:16.02 | r6ku | security is hard |
| 01:16.22 | markybob | solrize: not only that. you'd have to rebuild every library you used to build it as well |
| 01:16.27 | solrize | what i'm actually trying to do is patch gnupg to use /dev/urandom instead of /dev/random so it doesn't take all afternoon to generate a key |
| 01:16.38 | TomTomTosch | D: |
| 01:16.39 | dvs | r6ku: It's easy. Don't tell anyone the vulnerabilities! |
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| 01:16.53 | solrize | i want to just rewrite gnupg i can't believe how crazy it is. no disrespect to werner who works incredibly hard on it. :( |
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| 01:17.25 | TomTomTosch | then take the debian source and build a package. |
| 01:17.38 | solrize | hmm |
| 01:17.42 | TomTomTosch | but it's still not a good idea. |
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| 01:17.54 | markybob | it's a terrible idea. this whole thing is wrong |
| 01:18.44 | solrize | apt-get gnupg source pkg, extract it and build from that? |
| 01:18.54 | TomTomTosch | /dev/urandom contains less entropy. |
| 01:19.00 | solrize | that's a myth |
| 01:19.06 | markybob | heh |
| 01:19.13 | TomTomTosch | right... |
| 01:19.39 | solrize | really the right thing to use is getrandom(2) |
| 01:19.44 | solrize | but wheezy kernel doesn't have that |
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| 01:19.53 | TomTomTosch | such is life. |
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| 01:20.24 | solrize | do i upgrade to jessie by just changing /etc/apt-sources and then dist-upgrade? does that have much chance of screwing up my whole system? |
| 01:20.37 | markybob | !wheezy->jessie |
| 01:20.39 | TomTomTosch | yes and yes. |
| 01:20.41 | markybob | solrize: and sure. |
| 01:20.55 | markybob | solrize: specially if you have apache |
| 01:20.59 | solrize | i gotta have a chat with werner about urandom |
| 01:21.08 | markybob | solrize: i'm sure he'll care |
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| 01:22.31 | solrize | http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/ |
| 01:23.06 | markybob | solrize: myth #1: everything you read on the internet must be true |
| 01:23.27 | daviid | hello. I'm looking into binding glib [to start with and learn from there] for guile [scheme]. then i see I have gir1.2-glib-2.0:amd64 installed, but that only has the *.typelib files, I need to have the .gir files [xml]: I can't find the package that hold on glib.gir, gobject.gir .. |
| 01:23.40 | TomTomTosch | markybob, but the article has so many facts! |
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| 01:24.13 | TomTomTosch | no citations though... |
| 01:24.34 | daviid | dpkg -L gir1.2-glib-2.0:amd64 -> ... /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/girepository-1.0/GLib-2.0.typelib but no .gir |
| 01:24.34 | dpkg | No packages found matching gir1.2-glib-2.0:amd64 -> ... /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/girepository-1.0/GLib-2.0.typelib but no .gir |
| 01:24.37 | solrize | ok i downgraded back down to libcrtypt 1.5.0.5 |
| 01:24.48 | solrize | libgcrypt |
| 01:25.40 | solrize | TomTomTosch, best technical description of random/urandom is here: http://www.pinkas.net/PAPERS/gpr06.pdf |
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| 01:27.25 | solrize | http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/#experts these are meaningful citations those people quoted are not fools |
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| 01:28.39 | TomTomTosch | solrize, right. i'm sure you know what you do, but our recommendations still stand. you can decide yourself if you wish to take them into consideration. |
| 01:29.03 | solrize | TomTomTosch, thanks, no prob |
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| 01:30.37 | rocketmagnet | hi all |
| 01:31.15 | rocketmagnet | i'm a bit confused atm, can someone help me in finding a good pc with the best possible support for debian ? |
| 01:31.27 | rocketmagnet | i remember there was a list |
| 01:32.22 | TomTomTosch | rocketmagnet, you can chack with h-node if hardware has free driver support. https://h-node.org/hardware/catalogue/en |
| 01:32.35 | TomTomTosch | s/chack/check |
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| 01:38.39 | rocketmagnet | TomTomTosch: hmmm... i only get one card with agp support from 2014... is this normal ?? |
| 01:39.18 | dsockwell | AGP has been dead for most of 2 decades |
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| 01:39.56 | dsockwell | most system components these days are supported fine |
| 01:40.02 | XeonSquared | 2 decades? |
| 01:40.09 | dsockwell | maybe only one |
| 01:40.17 | XeonSquared | I dunno man, I had a box in 2005 with an AGP card |
| 01:40.20 | rocketmagnet | dsockwell: what should i choose, please help me a bit i'm a bit confused atm |
| 01:40.22 | dsockwell | but it's WRONG to buy AGP hardware today |
| 01:40.40 | rocketmagnet | i had no money for a long time so i'm not up2 date |
| 01:40.43 | r6ku | rocketmagnet: what exactly are you looking for? |
| 01:41.01 | dsockwell | rocketmagnet: most of the builds on www.reddit.com/r/buildapc will run debian pretty well. you can research individual components yourself. |
| 01:41.20 | rocketmagnet | i need a pc with good debian support with 3d acceleration for blender |
| 01:41.41 | rocketmagnet | r6ku: ^ |
| 01:41.41 | dsockwell | for the last few years i have bought hardware assuming the linux/debian support would be fantastic and i've only been really burned once |
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| 01:42.16 | rocketmagnet | i have not much money and don't want much troubles |
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| 01:42.31 | dsockwell | spend a dime and get a linux magazine published after 1998 |
| 01:42.35 | dsockwell | the bad old days are gone |
| 01:42.59 | dsockwell | get the hardware you want, linux will probably work great on it |
| 01:43.10 | dsockwell | for you i recommend maybe an AMD APU |
| 01:43.16 | rocketmagnet | i have around 800 and i need all beside of the case, hdd and dvd |
| 01:43.20 | TomTomTosch | maybe wait for someone with experience with 3d acceleration and blender. not sure about nvidia/amd |
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| 01:43.47 | dsockwell | if you get a GPU that is too new you might have to wait a while for a good Linux driver |
| 01:43.51 | dsockwell | but they normally come out really fast |
| 01:44.18 | rocketmagnet | so you mean i can buy all i want and it should be great ?? |
| 01:44.25 | dsockwell | for the most part, yes |
| 01:44.28 | r6ku | rocketmagnet: generally you want to go intel+nvidia, because nvidia has the fastest drivers. |
| 01:44.30 | dsockwell | you should do your research to make sure |
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| 01:44.40 | dsockwell | but it will probably be OK |
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| 01:46.00 | dsockwell | you can google for "[the part or model ID] linux" and see if there are a lot of complaints posted |
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| 01:46.12 | dsockwell | if there are, pick a different one |
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| 01:46.40 | dsockwell | there will always be some though because some people complain about everything |
| 01:47.41 | dsockwell | but i think it stopped being bad in about 2008 |
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| 01:49.27 | somiaj | I'd avoid optimus and dual cards (it is supported by in debian you may find it difficult to configure). If you are interest in lots of 3D gaming, I'd suggest nvidia over amd (mostly because I sitll think the nvidia driver is slightly better, but the amd graphics work just fine) |
| 01:50.09 | somiaj | I'd also avoid the very new wireless chipsets. But for the most part provided you don't go bleeding edge, most hardware works fine in linux these days. |
| 01:50.19 | rocketmagnet | i only have 800⬠|
| 01:50.23 | r6ku | then again, right now is a terrible time to build, should probably wait until the end of the year when the new amd cpus are available, the current amd cpu offerings are crap, or just go intel |
| 01:50.51 | r6ku | new gpus coming out next month too I think? |
| 01:50.57 | rocketmagnet | so intel and nvidia should be fine |
| 01:51.01 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: depending on what you need to build, you can get a decent rig for that. Though I'm assuming things like monintor, speakers, etc you may already have. |
| 01:51.29 | rocketmagnet | blender, cycles, java, coding, ... |
| 01:51.29 | somiaj | you start adding a monintor and other things into the cost, you can still get a fairly good machine with that budget. |
| 01:51.40 | rocketmagnet | c/c++ |
| 01:52.14 | TomTomTosch | blender uses openCL / CUDA for rendering so what you know about gaming support does probably not apply here. |
| 01:52.15 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: I would avoid the intel/nvidia optimus mix. Many have lots of frustration getting it to work correctly in debian. Intel is fine unless you want a lot of 3d, in which case I'd get a dedicated nvidia card (not optimus) |
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| 01:52.39 | somiaj | and amd will probabaly be just fine with blender. |
| 01:52.41 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: yes, i have the case, 2 monitors, mouse(r,a,t), keyboard, wacom graphic tablet, ssd hd |
| 01:53.27 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: if you go to the benchmark sites of the top end hardware and go about 1/3 the way down (which is still very good hardware) you can probabaly find a build in that budget. |
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| 01:54.42 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: i was for a longer time not online, can you help me maybe or someone else |
| 01:54.53 | somiaj | amd cpu still seems to give you a bit more for the price, but intel seems to top the charts. You probabaly won't notice that much savings on the cpu, but pay attention to the fact you will save a bit on the mobo too. |
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| 01:55.52 | r3m | ,v xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 01:55.53 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; squeeze-backports: 1:0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.0.1-5; jessie: 1:1.0.11-1; sid: 1:1.0.12-1+b1; stretch: 1:1.0.12-1+b1 |
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| 02:09.58 | rocketmagnet | 5~what's with and amd 8 core black edition ? |
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| 02:12.18 | r6ku | rocketmagnet: unlocked multiplier for overclocking, you should try asking #blender for advice, they probably know more about what's ideal hardware for blender |
| 02:12.55 | TomTomTosch | rocketmagnet, i have the fx-8350 @ 4.6GHz. it's a hungry beast. a bit old, still very strong but drives your electricity bill up. |
| 02:13.09 | r6ku | released in 2012, still on sale :p |
| 02:13.26 | somiaj | my hardware feels outdated now. (: |
| 02:13.51 | TomTomTosch | eh, my work machine has two cores. linux ftw. |
| 02:14.07 | dsockwell | rocketmagnet: you sound like you've walked out of a time warp. you'll want to buy new stuff, unless you get a deal on used gear. |
| 02:14.44 | dsockwell | not introduced-in-2012-but-still-on-sale AMD CPUs |
| 02:15.50 | TomTomTosch | yep, i didn't recommend it :P |
| 02:15.59 | karlpinc | dsockwell: Bah. I walked out of a time warp. What's on my desk is a 333MHz Celeron, with 256Mb ram. I'm only using it as an X server, and it's worked fine and I don't mess with it. |
| 02:16.30 | karlpinc | (Runs jessie.) |
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| 02:26.56 | shanemikel | is there a live kde dvd built for testing? I wanna see plasma 5 |
| 02:28.15 | TomTomTosch | !debian-next |
| 02:28.15 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 02:35.35 | jackcom | who know xe site? |
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| 02:40.40 | bazhang | jackcom, xfce? |
| 02:40.49 | jackcom | i got it |
| 02:41.10 | jackcom | https://www.xpressengine.com |
| 02:41.16 | jackcom | bazhang: |
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| 02:42.45 | KiwiRose | i like ponies and i like ants someday i will teach ants how to ride ponies and then everything will be better |
| 02:42.49 | KiwiRose | everything will be perfect |
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| 02:55.32 | shanemikel | pretty barren channel for the biggest linux distro ever |
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| 02:56.28 | markybob | shanemikel: no. it's only for support. there is #debian-offtopic if you just want to chat |
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| 02:56.34 | slbtc | I need help someone. my external had drive won't mount it just hangs trying to mount |
| 02:56.35 | bazhang | shanemikel, whats the support issue |
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| 02:56.44 | johnfg | Hi guys |
| 02:56.50 | shanemikel | oh, you mean people actually respect the channel divisions here? that's actually refreshing |
| 02:56.56 | markybob | shanemikel: yes |
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| 02:57.16 | bazhang | slbtc, what does sudo blkid return |
| 02:57.28 | johnfg | I just installed libdvdcss2- on jessie, but the dvd I have still won't play in mplayer. |
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| 02:58.09 | johnfg | Not with the - on the end. that's a typo. |
| 02:58.21 | wqe | Hey I'm on stable and I run vlc, it just exits a video randomly out of nowhere. Anyone know a fix? thanks |
| 02:58.21 | slbtc | bazhang: it just hangs |
| 02:58.25 | slbtc | nothing |
| 02:58.40 | markybob | johnfg: i haven't tried with mplayer. have you tried it with vlc? works here on jessie |
| 02:59.05 | wqe | currently using totem tho and it works well |
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| 02:59.07 | johnfg | markybob: I haven't, but I'll give that a try. Thanks |
| 02:59.31 | slbtc | bazhang: now it's showing |
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| 02:59.43 | slbtc | I'll send you the info on dpaste |
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| 03:03.36 | slbtc | I'm thinking I might have to reformat it... then I'll lose everything |
| 03:04.00 | slbtc | it says 0 items |
| 03:04.08 | slbtc | when it finally opened up |
| 03:04.15 | slbtc | there was like over 400GB of stuff on it |
| 03:05.17 | slbtc | nevermind it's just not opening properly |
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| 03:06.50 | slbtc | now it mounted |
| 03:07.36 | slbtc | nope still giving me problems... |
| 03:07.43 | slbtc | I think it might be infected |
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| 03:09.10 | slbtc | I ejected and plugged it in like 5 times doesn't help |
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| 03:11.00 | bazhang | what do you mean infected |
| 03:11.02 | Zero_Chaos | is there a debian on android specific channel anywhere? |
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| 03:12.17 | bazhang | Zero_Chaos, android device? |
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| 03:12.38 | Zero_Chaos | bazhang: yes, like a debian chroot on an android device |
| 03:12.50 | markybob | Zero_Chaos: you best bet is #debian-mobile on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:12.54 | bazhang | which device |
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| 03:13.19 | slbtc | my external hard drive. I got this error just now |
| 03:13.48 | Zero_Chaos | markybob: thanks |
| 03:13.51 | Zero_Chaos | bazhang: a bunch of them |
| 03:14.11 | slbtc | bazhang: https://dpaste.de/EOk6 |
| 03:15.11 | markybob | slbtc: it is ntfs? |
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| 03:16.28 | slbtc | markybob: I never had this problem before it's worked for a long time then I put something in it now it's acting like it is and if I format it I lose everything I worked on |
| 03:16.33 | slbtc | years of stuff |
| 03:16.40 | markybob | slbtc: have you tried ntfsfix? man it |
| 03:16.41 | slbtc | 400GB |
| 03:16.56 | slbtc | markybob: how do I do that? |
| 03:17.08 | markybob | slbtc: you man ntfsfix |
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| 03:18.31 | markybob | slbtc: but really your best bet if you can is to hook it up to a windows computer and run scandisk on it |
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| 03:24.46 | slbtc | markybob: I don't have windows. it opened up and I'm deleting the new files I put on there maybe it'll fix the problem. |
| 03:25.18 | slbtc | markybob: now thunar froze as I tried to delete the files |
| 03:25.29 | markybob | slbtc: did you try ntfsfix? |
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| 03:25.40 | slbtc | yeah it detected no problems |
| 03:25.59 | markybob | slbtc: hrm. you may be dealing with failing hardware. |
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| 03:27.03 | karlpinc | slbtc: The more you mess with a broken disk the more likely you are to destroy what's on it. |
| 03:27.14 | slbtc | markybob: well that sucks.. i have another external hard drive that's a SSD but it stopped working on linux only works on windows systems |
| 03:27.54 | bazhang | running debian on ntfs? |
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| 03:28.23 | slbtc | I'm running fedora. |
| 03:28.32 | slbtc | no one's responding on there |
| 03:28.36 | markybob | slbtc: so you're in the wrong place anyway |
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| 03:28.50 | bazhang | why ask in a debian channel, and is that fedora on ntfs |
| 03:29.17 | markybob | slbtc: doesn't matter. we don't support fedora or know what they do with ntfs or anything else (which is the main reason) |
| 03:29.37 | bazhang | there is no linux thats going to go well on that fs |
| 03:30.01 | slbtc | I see |
| 03:30.09 | bazhang | ##linux for a rush slbtc |
| 03:30.21 | slbtc | ok |
| 03:30.26 | bazhang | #fedora as well |
| 03:30.38 | slbtc | I'm on fedora but they're not responding |
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| 03:31.13 | bazhang | so ##linux |
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| 04:01.42 | shaun414 | Hi |
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| 04:18.42 | ToHellWithGA | i want to be clever and include the firmware necessary for my wireless chipset on the installation media |
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| 04:19.37 | karlpinc | !tell ToHellWithGA about firmware images |
| 04:20.11 | ToHellWithGA | karlpinc: does that include b43? |
| 04:20.21 | ToHellWithGA | that looks a heck of a lot easier than trying to roll my own |
| 04:20.46 | karlpinc | ToHellWithGA: I'd expect it to include everything available for debian. |
| 04:20.48 | markybob | ToHellWithGA: yes |
| 04:20.51 | themill | probably not the b43 firmware because that's not even distributable |
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| 04:21.26 | ToHellWithGA | is this a democracy? |
| 04:21.30 | ToHellWithGA | if so i'm in the clear |
| 04:21.38 | markybob | ToHellWithGA: use http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso and you'll probably be fine |
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| 04:22.53 | karlpinc | ToHellWithGA: Dunno what to tell you then. You may be interested in the note about video firmware at http://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian I suppose reading the offical installation instructions wouldn't hurt either. |
| 04:24.26 | musca | !b43-fwcutter |
| 04:24.26 | dpkg | Device firmware required by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers is proprietary and unable to be distributed by the Debian Project. The b43-fwcutter utility (packaged in contrib) can extract this firmware from Broadcom's binary drivers. Debian packages to download, extract and install firmware are available; ask me about <contrib> and use «apt-cache search firmware-b43» to list. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy |
| 04:25.50 | musca | ToHellWithGA: so ^^^, even if firmware-b43 was included in that image, you still might need to run the downloader by yourself. |
| 04:26.20 | themill | ToHellWithGA: the firmware netinst contains the b43-fwcutter package you need but the machine will need network access via some other mechanism to download the firmware for the installation. So you can't use the firmware image to provide network access with b43. |
| 04:26.26 | karlpinc | ToHellWithGA: Meritocracy, as you can see. |
| 04:27.49 | ToHellWithGA | if i have to have the ethernet cable plugged in to download the firmware cutter thinger i might as well finish installation over ethernet |
| 04:27.50 | themill | (that would be a combination of knowing/remembering various snippets of information and checking before answering) |
| 04:28.16 | ToHellWithGA | i could just install the firmware after the first boot |
| 04:28.42 | themill | ToHellWithGA: you could use the fw-cutter on another machine and get the firmware onto a usb stick that you then use, but yes, a network cable would be easier |
| 04:28.44 | ToHellWithGA | maybe a live/persistent USB could make the magic happen |
| 04:29.16 | ToHellWithGA | from a simplicity standpoint i could have jessie netinst done by the time i have cut the firmware and make a magic USB |
| 04:29.29 | karlpinc | ToHellWithGA: Or even use the same machine booted with a debian-live image. (If you had to.) |
| 04:29.44 | themill | assuming wired networking is an option, that's certainly going to be simpler |
| 04:29.51 | karlpinc | ToHellWithGA: Yes. Elegance has it's price. |
| 04:30.09 | ToHellWithGA | there's a lesson to be learned about nonfree hardware in here somewhere |
| 04:30.35 | ToHellWithGA | unfortunately i didn't get to direct my OEM to use certain chips on a pre-assembled PC |
| 04:30.41 | themill | b43 is sadly one step even more silly than normal in the non-freeness stakes |
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| 04:31.40 | ToHellWithGA | i'm trying to remember the name of the wireless firmware on my old macbook. it had something nonfree for a long time then a free version came out. |
| 04:32.13 | ToHellWithGA | when it was in nonfree mode i had to use a USB 802.11b dongle to be online through the firmware installation phase |
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| 04:32.25 | ToHellWithGA | (or a cable) |
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| 04:33.32 | ToHellWithGA | atheros i think |
| 04:33.39 | ToHellWithGA | and ralink was the backup |
| 04:34.28 | markybob | ToHellWithGA: there's firmware-atheros and firmware-ralink |
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| 04:34.55 | ToHellWithGA | there didn't used to be for my atheros chipset, late 2007 |
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| 04:35.22 | ToHellWithGA | well, not a FOSS module without a similarly complex process to this b43 nonsense |
| 04:35.26 | markybob | and somewhere there's a stick |
| 04:36.58 | jim | atheros and linux are -supposed- to be pretty good |
| 04:37.37 | ToHellWithGA | oh it was |
| 04:37.59 | ToHellWithGA | problem is that core 2 duo computer is nearly 10 years old an apple still wants $130 for a replacement battery |
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| 04:39.12 | Sky2939 | Can anybody recommend a good virtual phone system for like 1-2 people that can scale |
| 04:39.30 | jim | turned out someone who installed debian from a netinstall image had an atheros (and a wap)... had the install working in about 20 mins, incl a lot of packages (x, some de, build-essential, others of course) |
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| 04:41.31 | ToHellWithGA | jim: that was what i used to do on that macbook after the atheros open source modules were compatible. first ubuntu, then when it got silly debian |
| 04:42.05 | ToHellWithGA | it's the "wired" network for this computer until i get the firmware installed, sharing its wifi connection over ethernet |
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| 04:48.43 | karlpinc | Sky2939: There's always asterisk. (Seemed to be a lot of painful instructions....) See the <search> factoid. (I like debtags for searching.) |
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| 04:52.05 | Sky2939 | karlpinc: just look for a service that can forward to my cellphone ... would prefer not to log into an app just to receive a call |
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| 05:09.00 | cjen2837 | hi. is all i have to do to keep my system up do date automatically is sudo apt-get install unattended-upgrade? |
| 05:09.09 | cjen2837 | ipgrades*. or is there some configuration i must do? |
| 05:14.40 | Rusty1 | cjen2837: shield icon, lower right |
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| 05:15.00 | Rusty1 | is the update manager, no need for terminal |
| 05:15.09 | cjen2837 | Rusty1, what shield icon? you don't know which desktop environment i am using |
| 05:15.20 | cjen2837 | there is no shield on my system |
| 05:15.42 | Rusty1 | cjen2837: any of the stock mint desktops have it |
| 05:15.52 | cjen2837 | this is #debian not mint |
| 05:16.03 | Rusty1 | or in a terminal type: mintupdate |
| 05:16.30 | Rusty1 | oops, my apologies, wrong window |
| 05:16.39 | Pseudo | >>>??? this is not #mint |
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| 05:16.47 | cjen2837 | no problem |
| 05:17.28 | Pseudo | cjen2837: do you mean by upgrade from old to new release of debian? |
| 05:17.36 | cjen2837 | anyway, i found the unattended-upgrades wiki page so it looks like no configuration is needed |
| 05:17.45 | cjen2837 | Pseudo, no, just apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 05:17.48 | cjen2837 | on day to day basis |
| 05:18.22 | rainfresh | i forgot my root password, how do i reset it with a live cd of some kind? |
| 05:18.28 | Pseudo | not sure abt uanttended-upgrades |
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| 05:19.25 | cjen2837 | rainfresh, that would be a security issue if anyone can pop in a livecd and reset your root password |
| 05:19.32 | cjen2837 | do you have sudo access? |
| 05:19.49 | cjen2837 | or is that what you meant by root |
| 05:19.56 | rainfresh | cjen2837: i think i can just chroot or something, the drive isnt encrypted or anything. |
| 05:20.09 | rainfresh | i just dont remember how |
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| 05:22.28 | cjen2837 | do you have sudo? |
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| 05:22.39 | cjen2837 | or just root |
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| 05:24.58 | rainfresh | cjen2837: i don't have any users allowed to use sudo on here.. just root. |
| 05:25.09 | cjen2837 | darn |
| 05:25.20 | rainfresh | cjen2837: will this work? https://linuxconfig.org/recover-reset-forgotten-linux-root-password |
| 05:26.32 | cjen2837 | rainfresh, it's worth a try |
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| 05:29.46 | rainfresh | cjen2837: okay brb ... ill let you know how it goes |
| 05:30.24 | cjen2837 | that means i have to wait around.. |
| 05:30.28 | cjen2837 | i'm hungry |
| 05:30.45 | cjen2837 | lol |
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| 05:44.01 | rainfresh | cjen2837: you're not gonna believe this but the dash key on my laptop keyboard doesnt work as well as many other keys.. so i have this usb keyboard... for some reason the usb keyboard doesn't work after editing the grub menu and booting the kernel. |
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| 05:45.35 | cjen2837 | rainfresh, really? darn |
| 05:46.23 | cjen2837 | do you think that your didn't actually forget your password, but that some of the keys weren't being entered in the password prompt when you thought they were. |
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| 05:47.55 | rainfresh_ | cjen2837: sorry. my net flaked out. not sure if you got my message or not. |
| 05:48.47 | cjen2837 | rainfresh_, i said do you think that your didn't actually forget your password, but that some of the keys weren't being entered in the password prompt when you thought they were. |
| 05:49.09 | rainfresh_ | cjen2837: no i got really high and forgot my password |
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| 05:53.01 | rainfresh_ | cjen2837: my usb keyboard stops working after i edit the grub menu and boot the kernel |
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| 05:53.47 | cjen2837 | rainfresh_, i don't know enough to help. ask in #linux |
| 05:54.00 | rainfresh_ | cjen2837: thank you for your time |
| 05:54.02 | cjen2837 | good luck |
| 05:54.10 | rainfresh_ | thanks |
| 05:55.00 | hiexpo | hola all |
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| 06:13.12 | wqe | I run vlc on debian and out of nowhere while playing a video it closes the program. i tried vlc --reset-config and it still keeps happening |
| 06:13.40 | wqe | anyone else run into this? |
| 06:14.18 | cra1g321_ | all good here, though it sometimes doesnt play .mov files |
| 06:14.55 | TomTomTosch | wqe, any exit code or error msg? |
| 06:15.01 | wqe | im stuck using smplayer for now |
| 06:15.37 | wqe | TomTomTosch: ill play a video on it for a bit while launching from console |
| 06:16.44 | wqe | and wait for the crash |
| 06:17.10 | TomTomTosch | which debian version are you using? |
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| 06:18.24 | wqe | TomTomTosch: stable |
| 06:18.27 | wqe | jessie |
| 06:19.01 | TomTomTosch | k, there is nothing in backports :/ |
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| 06:22.38 | wqe | TomTomTosch: so far nothing has happened |
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| 06:22.58 | OneruH | Hello! I have that network config: http://pastebin.com/0VytPg70. Why I don't see at 'ifconfig' third ipv6 (...d005) address? |
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| 06:23.01 | wqe | but ill keep videos playing in the background for now |
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| 06:26.28 | tErik_mc | Hi, How much average RAM would be initially used by Debian 8 Jessie x86_64 minimal-install, if these pkgs are loaded: BIND/named, Postfix, dovecot, spamassasin, clamav, opensshd, mariadb, nginx, ntp, etc ? |
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| 06:28.34 | TomTomTosch | depends on the load... very little to very much. |
| 06:29.13 | solrize | how do i tell which version of debian i'm running on a given box? uname -a doesn't seem to be it |
| 06:29.27 | TomTomTosch | solrize, lsb_release -a |
| 06:29.31 | solrize | thanks |
| 06:30.03 | solrize | hmm not found |
| 06:30.05 | solrize | -bash: lsb_release: command not found |
| 06:30.07 | tErik_mc | And, if i were to choose Debian 7 wheezy, for those same packages, then in average how much RAM would be used-up initially ? trying to get a sense, for very basic level of usage (extremely low amount of users, lets say 12 emails), what lowest amount of RAM can be used. |
| 06:30.26 | solrize | aptitude search doesn't find it |
| 06:30.51 | solrize | tErik_mc, you'll use less memory with a 32 bit install |
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| 06:31.18 | TomTomTosch | tErik_mc, not sure, maybe something above 200MB |
| 06:31.19 | solrize | but that's a fairly hungry setup if there's significant load |
| 06:31.36 | tErik_mc | thanks solrize, by Debian 7 wheezy, i did mean, its a x86 (32bit) installation. |
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| 06:32.49 | solrize | oh i see, it's lsb-release with hyphen rather than underscore |
| 06:33.00 | TomTomTosch | no... |
| 06:33.06 | tErik_mc | there will be around 12 email users, about 20 webpages (nginx), etc. |
| 06:33.31 | TomTomTosch | webpages... like static webpages? |
| 06:33.37 | tErik_mc | yes, static |
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| 06:33.52 | TomTomTosch | depends on how many people try to connect. |
| 06:34.00 | solrize | i mean, the apt package is lsb-release, and that installs the lsb_release command |
| 06:34.19 | TomTomTosch | maybe one or two GB would be fine. |
| 06:34.31 | tErik_mc | i do not think, more than 100 users will connect at same time, for this server/domain-name. |
| 06:34.39 | TomTomTosch | right... |
| 06:34.57 | TomTomTosch | sry but you will have to try it out. |
| 06:36.09 | TomTomTosch | solrize, that one comes with debian. |
| 06:37.16 | solrize | TomTomTosch, i had to install it |
| 06:37.27 | solrize | but it works |
| 06:39.27 | tErik_mc | TomTomTosch, thanks, i will then start with a 256 MB VPS open-vz container, and find-out if its enough for 12 imap-email users, with around 20 webpages, less than 250 visitors per day, etc. |
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| 06:39.59 | tErik_mc | with wheezy 32bit |
| 06:40.27 | TomTomTosch | tErik_mc, i did not mean it like that. wait a minute pls. |
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| 06:43.21 | TomTomTosch | tErik_mc, without a desktop environment re recommended RAM is 512MB, with 128 being the minimum. 250 visitors per day with static webpages i nothing email takes up more. i would go with 1GB for a smooth experience. |
| 06:43.26 | OneruH | Hello. I try to ifup eth0 with that config: http://pastebin.com/bVfsnWXm and see "Failed to bring up eth0". Why? |
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| 06:44.47 | TomTomTosch | tErik_mc, but as i said, that very much depends on your load. |
| 06:44.52 | r0xtedy | joooooooooooooooooooooo ppl |
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| 06:45.04 | r0xtedy | its been a year since I am using Debian on my all office pcs |
| 06:45.09 | r0xtedy | and it works well |
| 06:45.18 | r0xtedy | the only thing that annoys me is gnome-screenshot |
| 06:45.22 | r0xtedy | which hangs on mate some times |
| 06:45.26 | TomTomTosch | !enter |
| 06:45.27 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 06:45.32 | cra1g321_ | is this storytime ? |
| 06:45.41 | r0xtedy | ja |
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| 06:46.17 | TomTomTosch | use a different tool then. >> aptitude search whatever |
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| 06:46.47 | tErik_mc | TomTomTosch, thanks, as far as i remember, few months back another user told me here, that 32bit debian-6 can, run fine, with same mentioned packages. So debian-7 is using slightly more resources ? |
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| 06:47.45 | solrize | tErik_mc, 7 won't use much more resources than 6, but spamassassin is a considerable hog of both cpu and memory, so load depends partly on how much mail comes in |
| 06:47.46 | tErik_mc | * 32bit debian-6 256MB-ram can run fine |
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| 06:49.14 | TomTomTosch | tErik_mc, not really but you expect a little too much if you want me to make a quick calculation. i gave you the numbers above, 128MB RAM is minimum, 512MB is recommended. i would go with 1GB so you are safa and have room to scale. |
| 06:49.40 | TomTomTosch | s/safa/safe |
| 06:49.48 | solrize | i have tons of debian vps with 128mb but i don't run those heavy packages on them |
| 06:49.59 | solrize | in fact i still have a 32mb |
| 06:50.07 | TomTomTosch | right. it all depends on the load. |
| 06:50.19 | solrize | the 32mb is mostlly just a vpn endpoint |
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| 06:53.02 | tErik_mc | solrize, i see. these 12 users for this-domain-name, seems to be now using lots of emails (they are now using yahoo/hotmial/outlook/gmail/etc), they are subscribed to various discussion forums, lots of incoming emails. esitimate would be each getting 50 emails per day, 12 persons x 50 = 600 per day, thats around 25 emails per hour. |
| 06:53.55 | solrize | with the typical cheap vps that could be a cpu problem even if there's enough ram |
| 06:54.40 | solrize | anyway as TomTomTosch says i'd go with a 512mb or 1024mb to have some headroom |
| 06:55.12 | solrize | bbiab |
| 06:55.15 | tErik_mc | thanks to both of you, i have a better sense on recommendation. |
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| 07:06.16 | [E]sc | i'm hoping to format a 3TB hard drive to btrfs, when i try to allocate all the memory to the partition, it says there's1.45 MiB unallocated even though I specified it to use the whole HD, is there something wrong with my disk or is this normal? a completely new HD allowed for the full disk to be used. |
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| 07:09.35 | solrize | tErik_mc, try logging output of "free -m" every few minutes from a cron job and if you have tons of free memory most of the time, you may be able to downgrade |
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| 07:12.05 | solrize | tErik_mc, you might like to look at http://mailcow.email |
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| 07:18.16 | tErik_mc | solrize, that seems to be a nice single package with essential components of email servers, webservers, dd servers, etc. is it able to run within 256 MB RAM ? |
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| 07:19.43 | solrize | tErik_mc, i don't know, it's possible. one thing is that the mail processing stuff can probably stand running slow under load |
| 07:20.06 | solrize | i.e. people don't want to wait several seconds for a web page, but if arriving email is delayed by a few seconds no one will notice |
| 07:20.17 | solrize | so you could put the email and web stuff on separate servers |
| 07:20.26 | solrize | are you really on the cheap or something? |
| 07:22.22 | solrize | http://overzold.com/ oh i thought these guys had smaller plans than 4gb |
| 07:22.24 | tErik_mc | yes, for this12-persons group, assigned budget is less. |
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| 07:25.00 | tErik_mc | for this group, i have obtained a 256 MB vps, and a 1024 MB vps . MX & NS needs to be used from both servers. |
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| 07:26.12 | solrize | sounds ok |
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| 07:26.50 | TomTomTosch | i don't understand your question then if you've already purchased. |
| 07:26.52 | tErik_mc | if i could tunnel emails received in srv-1 (256mb) into srv-2's (1024mb) email servers, then that would have been great. |
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| 07:30.19 | tErik_mc | oh, i'm trying to understand if d7 wheezy or d8 jessie would be right for the 256mb vps or not, or i need to branch into other linux options. |
| 07:30.52 | TomTomTosch | jessie will be perfectly fine for your needs. |
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| 07:32.32 | TomTomTosch | my guess is that it will be using slightly more ram but you will have newer applications and longer support. |
| 07:32.57 | tErik_mc | i found out now, the 256 MB container can only be x86_64 d8 jessie (minimal/netinstall), and the 1024 MB container would for sure have a x86_64 linux. |
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| 07:33.23 | tErik_mc | but there is an option of d7 wheezy 32bit for 256 MB container. |
| 07:33.47 | TomTomTosch | then go with that. |
| 07:34.31 | tErik_mc | i see. Thanks. i will start the configuration process then. |
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| 07:36.21 | tErik_mc | This group has older servers in their own office, but they have non-static ip, so those two containers will give them 2 public-IP which are needed for MX & NS functionality. |
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| 07:37.22 | tErik_mc | i can try to configure their older server, and route vpn traffic thru tunnel into that 256 MB container. |
| 07:38.27 | jmd | When I run "apt-get -f install" I get "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 07:38.33 | jmd | How do I fix this? |
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| 07:40.08 | frogdr | is this loud enough? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ytMVWjFp/Record_0001.wav |
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| 07:43.46 | frogdr | oh shit my drive is ticking |
| 07:43.56 | frogdr | Is that bad |
| 07:44.34 | TomTomTosch | yes and please don't spam this channel. |
| 07:44.43 | frogdr | Spam? |
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| 07:45.29 | frogdr | The drive activity is from the Debian install |
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| 07:47.49 | TomTomTosch | if your drive makes weird noises you should probably backup your files and lay the drive to rest. |
| 07:48.19 | dsockwell | is the drive itself ticking or is it rattling against its enclosure? |
| 07:48.56 | dsockwell | does it stop making the noise if you press a finger against it? |
| 07:49.01 | frogdr | Oh, it might be the enclosure. |
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| 07:49.13 | frogdr | I'd have to open up my PC. |
| 07:49.22 | dsockwell | you'll probably want to do that in any case |
| 07:49.24 | dsockwell | good night |
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| 07:51.32 | TomTomTosch | jmd, tried updating your system? |
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| 07:58.14 | frogdr | kill me, its installing gnome |
| 07:58.29 | frogdr | i never checked that box |
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| 07:59.12 | frogdr | so much crapware |
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| 08:12.23 | joze | eew, feet desktop |
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| 08:19.43 | AlecTaylor | hi |
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| 08:20.45 | AlecTaylor | I run a `dpkg-query` for version checking in my install scripts. Will `apt-get install pkg_name` automagically upgrade that version if it's installed? |
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| 08:24.09 | TomTomTosch | AlecTaylor, it will upgrade that package, yes. |
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| 08:37.37 | Darkchaos | Hey Guys. I just set up Debian 8 with two RAID1's as one LVM. Now after having done the first resync, I see that there is still some activity on them: The first Disk of the RAID's is reading all its contents and the second one is writing all it's contents. Is that usual? |
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| 08:38.13 | AlecTaylor | TomTomTosch: Great |
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| 08:46.58 | Darkchaos | And also: Does disk-io influence the load value? Since I see load's of ~2 (on a dual core), even though top doesn't show any usage |
| 08:47.15 | Darkchaos | 99.8% idle |
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| 08:57.37 | shtrb | Is there a way to remove a package from testing ? |
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| 09:08.13 | TomTomTosch | !debian-next |
| 09:08.13 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 09:08.20 | TomTomTosch | shtrb ^ |
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| 09:09.00 | shtrb | thanks |
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| 09:19.16 | jaggzt | anyone else have problems with libreoffice (I'm in kde in jessie) and the UI areas not clearing before updating with a new selection? this seems to apply to many areas. Font, style, search (ctrl-f), ... |
| 09:19.29 | intore | hi, someone knows the why everytime i disable a wlan0 using ifdown wlan0, i can't reactivate it because the message "no dhcp offers receveived"? Only after system reboot it connect to the network... |
| 09:19.32 | jaggzt | http://i.imgur.com/n8vmk7J.png |
| 09:20.12 | shtrb | intore , try adding dhclient -r wlan0 |
| 09:22.18 | g2000 | jaggzt: try to install libreoffice-gtk instead of libreoffice-kde. Works for me pretty well |
| 09:22.52 | somiaj | jaggzt: might be something with the gtk/qt theme kde has setup. |
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| 09:23.34 | somiaj | intore: when you run 'ifup wlan0', in another console check 'iwconfig wlan0', just to make sure it is correctly assoicated with the ap |
| 09:24.29 | jaggzt | g2000, looks like I'm using -gtk already.. maybe that's my problem :) |
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| 09:25.00 | g2000 | jaggzt: somiaj's answer might be correct then |
| 09:25.16 | jaggzt | someone said the newer libreoffice is in backports.. I added a backports mirror but I don't see it listed after apt-get updating |
| 09:25.46 | Walakea | are there 10 more GUIs in the last few months? |
| 09:25.46 | intore | somiaj, yes it is |
| 09:26.04 | Walakea | i am just looking at Distrowatch |
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| 09:26.16 | Walakea | AfterStep, Awesome, Blackbox, Cinnamon, Fluxbox, flwm, FVWM, GNOME, i3, IceWM, ion, JWM, KDE, LXDE, MATE, Openbox, pekwm, Ratpoison, LXQt, WMaker, XBMC, Xfce |
| 09:26.21 | somiaj | jaggzt: see it listed where? 'apt-cache policy libreoffice'? |
| 09:26.24 | somiaj | ,v libreoffice |
| 09:26.25 | judd | Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1:5.0.5~rc2-1~bpo8+2; stretch: 1:5.0.5~rc2-1; sid: 1:5.1.1~rc1-1 |
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| 09:27.12 | somiaj | Walakea: those aren't new Gui's, most have been in debian for quite a while. Cinnamon and Mate were the two added with jessie. |
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| 09:28.28 | Walakea | i didnt think there were so many of them |
| 09:28.28 | intore | shtrb, do i have to add to ifup wlan0? |
| 09:28.45 | somiaj | Walakea: most of them are window mangers that have been around for ages. |
| 09:28.48 | jaggzt | so that bpo only applies to stretch? |
| 09:29.00 | shtrb | intore , no you can do that manually |
| 09:29.01 | jaggzt | for jessie, the latest is deb8u3? |
| 09:29.25 | shtrb | I presume you have a dhcp configured for wlan0 correct ? |
| 09:29.51 | shtrb | in such case it will automaticly trigger the dhclient start |
| 09:29.57 | somiaj | jaggzt: those are appends debian puts on packages for secuirty or backports to identify them and make ugprades work correctly. I think you want to look at the version 4.3.3 in jessie vs 5.0.5~rc2 in jeesie-backports |
| 09:29.59 | shtrb | the -r just say release and exit |
| 09:30.00 | intore | shtrb, so, ifup wlan0 as first command and dhclient -r wlan0 as next command |
| 09:30.01 | intore | ? |
| 09:30.06 | shtrb | no |
| 09:30.21 | shtrb | intore , only when you do ifdown add dhclient -r wlan0 |
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| 09:31.55 | intore | sorry shtrb i don't understand when and where put the command |
| 09:32.26 | shtrb | intore , after you run ifdown wlan0 execute manually dhclient -r wlan0 |
| 09:32.39 | shtrb | *before running ifup wlan0 |
| 09:33.12 | intore | ok shtrb it runs! |
| 09:33.26 | intore | shtrb, thanks |
| 09:33.46 | shtrb | ok ,you are most welcome you can also add that in the ifdown scripts |
| 09:34.26 | intore | shtrb, and how? |
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| 09:35.45 | jaggzt | g2000, somiaj, I switched to the -kde one .. looks clean.. works well :) |
| 09:35.48 | frogdr | Help |
| 09:35.51 | frogdr | I can't boot into debian |
| 09:36.01 | jaggzt | (I also had -gnome installed.. not sure if -gtk or -gnome were being used) |
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| 09:36.12 | jaggzt | it was kinda ugly so I imagine it was going with -gtk |
| 09:36.17 | frogdr | I have the Windows bootloader on the C drive |
| 09:36.23 | frogdr | and I am SUPPOSED to have GRUB on the L drive |
| 09:36.30 | frogdr | I don't see any boot option on the L drive |
| 09:36.33 | frogdr | what do I do?!?! |
| 09:37.00 | g2000 | jaggzt: i did the exact opposite and that worked for me, lol. Which gtk engine do you use? |
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| 09:37.27 | jaggzt | no clue |
| 09:37.35 | jaggzt | how do I tell? |
| 09:37.38 | shtrb | I think you cn do either by adding post-down line in /etc/networking/interfaces or to add a new shell script under /etc/network/if-down.d/ but that is if you really wish to avoid running the dhclient -r |
| 09:37.57 | humbot | frogdr, did you tell your bios to boot from the 'L' drive ? |
| 09:38.04 | shtrb | intore , I think you can do either do that by adding post-down line in /etc/networking/interfaces or to add a new shell script under /etc/network/if-down.d/ but that is if you really wish to avoid running the dhclient -r |
| 09:38.15 | frogdr | I tried all options that were under the disk |
| 09:38.19 | frogdr | None of them worked |
| 09:38.25 | frogdr | It said "can't find a bootable disk" |
| 09:40.13 | humbot | hmm |
| 09:40.28 | g2000 | jaggzt: install kde-config-gtk-style. This should add a new menu to your kde settings. |
| 09:40.36 | intore | ok thank you shtrb ,do you know the why of this behaviour? |
| 09:40.43 | frogdr | humbot: I can record a video if you want? |
| 09:40.54 | shtrb | intore , I do not understand the question |
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| 09:42.28 | intore | ok thank you shtrb ,i mean why after ifup wlan0 it doesn't take the address? |
| 09:42.56 | intore | shtrb, and need to use dhclient -r wlan0 or reboot the system |
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| 09:44.25 | shtrb | intore , you either have nm running around or dhclient did not get a signal to do a suicide |
| 09:44.48 | jmcnaught | frogdr: if you still have a debian installer disk you should be able to choose a to boot into or rescue an install on a local hard drive (can't remember exact wording). It will bring you into a chroot of the system, you can troubleshoot from there. you probablly will need to use dpkg-reconfigure on your grub package (grub-pc for bios systems, or grub-efi-amd64) and select the HDD you want to install grub to |
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| 09:45.30 | shtrb | intore , but you can file a bug about https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Using_DHCP_to_automatically_configure_the_interface with your config |
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| 09:45.52 | frogdr | jmcnaught: I removed the flash drive at the end of the install |
| 09:45.59 | frogdr | that couldn't have corrupted it, could it? |
| 09:47.19 | shtrb | intore , what I presume to be happening to you . step 1 your interface go up and have dchelient running for wlan0 , you do ifdown but the dhclient did not release and still continue running , you do ifup and invoke a new instance of dhclient |
| 09:47.40 | jmcnaught | frogdr: the flash drive with the installer on it? probably not. the flash drive you installed debian to, maybe if it wasn't done writing |
| 09:47.43 | intore | ok shtrb thank you |
| 09:47.52 | jaggzt | g2000, where's it appear once installed? I don't see it anywhere |
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| 09:49.28 | frogdr | jmcnaught: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7PTYUPQY/irccloudcapture1789921980.jpg |
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| 09:49.38 | frogdr | What do I do |
| 09:49.46 | g2000 | jaggzt: application appearance -> gtk |
| 09:49.51 | jaggzt | maybe it's time to switch to stretch now? |
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| 09:50.33 | jmcnaught | frogdr: check under advanced options |
| 09:51.09 | frogdr | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tVK4kkhT/irccloudcapture528372317.jpg |
| 09:51.17 | frogdr | ? |
| 09:51.37 | jmcnaught | frogdr: rescue mode |
| 09:51.49 | jaggzt | g2000, under there the only gtk thing is selecting it for widgets |
| 09:51.50 | frogdr | Ok |
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| 09:52.48 | frogdr | jmcnaught: oh is it this? |
| 09:53.03 | frogdr | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/b7nLErxR/irccloudcapture7578125.jpg |
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| 09:53.33 | frogdr | Is it hard drive firmware? |
| 09:53.38 | g2000 | jaggzt: log out and back in, maybe kde needs a restart |
| 09:53.44 | jmcnaught | frogdr: no that's not relevant, it's for a network card |
| 09:53.49 | frogdr | Oh |
| 09:54.00 | frogdr | So press no? |
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| 09:54.59 | frogdr | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zvxYruHA/irccloudcapture-1354412939.jpg |
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| 09:55.47 | frogdr | jmcnaught: |
| 09:56.39 | jaggzt | g2000, thanks :) will try that (lots of projects open right now though) |
| 09:57.02 | jmcnaught | frogdr: is this the same installer that you used earlier? we might not even need network access to fix this, but go ahead and try to configure the network |
| 09:57.44 | frogdr | Can I just skip the network part |
| 09:58.03 | frogdr | The card needs firmware remember? |
| 09:58.19 | g2000 | jaggzt: search for gtk2-engines-* to find additional ones |
| 09:58.35 | g2000 | jaggzt: you're welcome |
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| 09:58.57 | frogdr | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1l9iIz2Y/irccloudcapture427907578.jpg |
| 09:59.02 | frogdr | jmcnaught: |
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| 10:01.40 | jmcnaught | frogdr: enter rescue mode. you can probably figure some of these out yourself you know :) |
| 10:01.57 | frogdr | Why not install grub? |
| 10:02.57 | jmcnaught | frogdr: see there you go, you're already doing better than me |
| 10:03.46 | jmcnaught | frogdr: actually... |
| 10:03.50 | jmcnaught | !fixmbr |
| 10:03.51 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 10:04.04 | frogdr | Oh |
| 10:04.20 | frogdr | I don't think I set a root FS |
| 10:05.19 | frogdr | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/q0eOmWE9/irccloudcapture-704039202.jpg |
| 10:05.30 | frogdr | Which one jmcnaught |
| 10:06.21 | jmcnaught | frogdr: i think you want to go back. or are you trying to reinstall the whole operating system? |
| 10:06.34 | frogdr | There was no root fs |
| 10:06.59 | frogdr | Is this good? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/n6m4wvUu/irccloudcapture1494311.jpg |
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| 10:09.54 | jmcnaught | frogdr: so the installer rescue mode could not find a filesystem with Debian on it? if you're reinstalling that looks fine. letting the installer choose for you with the option "everything in one partition" is a good option too, i think it'll make a separate /boot and swap for you |
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| 10:11.28 | frogdr | Oh god it has to install again |
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| 10:15.40 | jaggzt | g2000, it's already working, btw, with lo -kde.. very beautifully |
| 10:17.53 | jmcnaught | frogdr: had you just finished the install and then it wouldn't boot into it? It's pretty easy to get into a shell from the installer (using Alt+f2 as dpkg's factiod above suggests). From there you can look for the system you installed earlier |
| 10:18.07 | g2000 | jaggzt: that's great! I just wanted to inform you about gtk engines in case you encounter another problem (: |
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| 10:18.53 | jaggzt | g2000, thank you very much. I believe I bumped into gtk issues before so it might still be relevant in the future (at least once I can access it).. I'm not sure if the restart is required.. we'll see. |
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| 10:20.34 | g2000 | jaggzt: i think you just need a new kde session, no complete reboot, to be precise |
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| 10:23.55 | frogdr | jmcnaught: it still won't work |
| 10:24.05 | NickCao | error-getting-authority-error-initializing-authority-could-not-connect-no-such-file-or-directory-g-io-error-quark-1 |
| 10:24.06 | frogdr | I'm ready to drink bleach |
| 10:24.35 | NickCao | I've just resized my logical volumes |
| 10:24.43 | NickCao | When I reboot |
| 10:24.47 | NickCao | It failed |
| 10:25.04 | NickCao | How can I fix it |
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| 10:25.32 | NickCao | Editing the /etc/fstab didn't help |
| 10:26.13 | jmcnaught | frogdr: you'll figure it out, but i don't know what you've done or even exactly what's not working. |
| 10:26.48 | NickCao | I've just resized the /root volume |
| 10:27.34 | NickCao | From 9G to 25G |
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| 10:28.34 | NickCao | Installing Debian is really a painfully |
| 10:28.48 | NickCao | Journey for me |
| 10:29.12 | jmcnaught | NickCao: how did you resize the volume? what command did you use? |
| 10:29.21 | NickCao | l'm |
| 10:29.24 | NickCao | Lvm |
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| 10:29.30 | NickCao | Oversize |
| 10:29.37 | NickCao | lvresize |
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| 10:30.27 | frogdr | jmcnaught: I have to make a /boot partition? |
| 10:31.24 | frogdr | If so how big |
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| 10:32.58 | frogdr | Someone help |
| 10:33.51 | frogdr | Please I just want to install Debian I've been trying for 4 hours now |
| 10:34.06 | jmcnaught | frogdr: use the installer recommended values. you should also read/skim the install manual: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 10:34.23 | frogdr | It doesn't give recommended values |
| 10:35.05 | g2000 | frogdr: when it comes to partitioning, use the "all in one partition" option |
| 10:35.32 | jmcnaught | frogdr: it's one of the "guided partitioning" options |
| 10:35.42 | TomTomTosch | frogdr, you have to actually read it. the instructions are pretty clear. 20 minutes reading would have seved you 4 ours trial and error :P |
| 10:36.16 | NickCao | Can any one solve my problem |
| 10:36.20 | TomTomTosch | man, my writng is brkn tday. |
| 10:36.43 | NickCao | I've googled it but nothing helpful |
| 10:36.54 | NickCao | error-getting-authority-error-initializing-authority-could-not-connect-no-such-file-or-directory-g-io-error-quark-1 |
| 10:37.47 | NickCao | Would there be some package like "auto repair" |
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| 10:39.21 | frogdr | i never told it to do this https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JQxZCmBP/irccloudcapture43498879.jpg |
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| 10:39.23 | glauxosdever | Hi, I'm wondering why /vmlinuz has a microsoft icon. Its type is identified as application/x-ms-dos-executable. |
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| 10:39.45 | frogdr | I want to keep the other partitions |
| 10:39.52 | frogdr | I have files on there |
| 10:40.34 | NickCao | Maybe you should go back and choose to use the free spaces |
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| 10:40.40 | frogdr | I did! |
| 10:40.57 | frogdr | I chose all in one partition |
| 10:41.17 | frogdr | Like everyone suggested |
| 10:41.51 | NickCao | Or you can use Ubuntu instead of Debian |
| 10:41.59 | frogdr | No. |
| 10:42.03 | NickCao | It's much more easier |
| 10:42.09 | frogdr | NO. |
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| 10:42.21 | NickCao | I've tried three days |
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| 10:42.30 | NickCao | Installing Debian |
| 10:42.36 | frogdr | can I please get help |
| 10:42.41 | g2000 | frogdr: read the install manual... |
| 10:42.43 | frogdr | Its 5:43 am |
| 10:42.47 | NickCao | But I still failed |
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| 10:42.57 | frogdr | I've been trying for 4 hours |
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| 10:43.12 | frogdr | I just want to die |
| 10:43.32 | frogdr | Can I please get help installing debian |
| 10:43.34 | g2000 | frogdr: maybe you should get some sleep and try it again later |
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| 10:44.14 | frogdr | I don't need sleep I've only been awake 15 hrs |
| 10:45.01 | glauxosdever | frogdr: What do you have problem with? |
| 10:45.43 | Alez | I dont have dmesg in Ubuntu, whats the problem? |
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| 10:46.19 | frogdr | I want to install but its saying it will wipe all partitions and I never asked it to do that |
| 10:46.29 | frogdr | 5:40:57 AM <frogdr> I chose all in one partition |
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| 10:46.38 | NickCao | WHO CAN HELP ME!!! |
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| 10:46.49 | frogdr | 5:39:21 AM <frogdr> i never told it to do this https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JQxZCmBP/irccloudcapture43498879.jpg |
| 10:47.14 | Alez | When i type cat /var/log/dmesg it show nothing! But i have dmesg already :/ |
| 10:47.20 | jmcnaught | frogdr: i think it's time to take a break, you'll figure it out after some sleep. when you try tomorrow, start by reading the install manual, it'll all make sense |
| 10:47.28 | g2000 | frogdr: read the page 61, debian install manual |
| 10:47.51 | g2000 | frogdr: *the pages around |
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| 10:48.26 | glauxosdever | frogdr: So you have files on the existing partition, and you chose to install debian there, right? It's evident it will be wiped. Take a backup. |
| 10:48.29 | jmcnaught | NickCao: sorry you're frustrated, i've found you kind of difficult to follow because you're using short sentences fragments that are broken up and mixed in with other people's fragments. |
| 10:49.01 | frogdr | glauxosdever: no |
| 10:49.11 | frogdr | On the same drive |
| 10:49.12 | glauxosdever | When am I wrong? |
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| 10:49.23 | glauxosdever | How many existing partitions do you have? |
| 10:49.27 | jmcnaught | NickCao: is that a copy-paste of the error you are getting? where is that error? |
| 10:49.48 | NickCao | When I boot |
| 10:49.52 | frogdr | Uhh like 1 which is NTFS |
| 10:49.59 | NickCao | It goes into emergency mod |
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| 10:50.12 | g2000 | NickCao: what exactly do you boot? |
| 10:50.16 | glauxosdever | One partition. And you chose to install debian there, no? |
| 10:50.27 | jmcnaught | NickCao: it's better if you keep it in the channel and don't PM people for support, because i'm a stranger on the internet who might give you bad advice that the others here could correct |
| 10:50.30 | NickCao | The default choice |
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| 10:50.56 | glauxosdever | Where did you chose to install debian? |
| 10:51.02 | frogdr | glauxosdever: no I shrunk it |
| 10:51.25 | frogdr | And am choosing to install debian in thebfree wpace |
| 10:51.37 | NickCao | Bad advice better than nothing.I don't have any thing important on my hard disk. |
| 10:51.38 | frogdr | The free space* |
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| 10:52.15 | NickCao | I will reinstall again and again if it will help |
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| 10:53.22 | glauxosdever | frogdr: Did you by chance delete all partitions? |
| 10:53.37 | frogdr | No! |
| 10:54.17 | glauxosdever | Ok, go back and go through the partitioning again. |
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| 10:54.38 | frogdr | I actually think installing arch would be easier at this point |
| 10:54.44 | glauxosdever | Nope. |
| 10:55.10 | glauxosdever | What is on the NTFS partition? |
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| 10:55.19 | frogdr | My important files |
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| 10:55.34 | TomTomTosch | frogdr, back those up first. |
| 10:55.37 | frogdr | By important I mean 4chan reaction gifs |
| 10:55.44 | TomTomTosch | right... |
| 10:55.46 | glauxosdever | Is there an operating system you need to keep? |
| 10:55.48 | frogdr | TomTomTosch: not enough storage |
| 10:55.58 | frogdr | glauxosdever: that's on a different drive |
| 10:56.08 | frogdr | Which has its own bootloader |
| 10:56.30 | glauxosdever | Ah, then as TomTomTosch said, back up these files. |
| 10:56.55 | frogdr | Again though not enough storage |
| 10:57.07 | glauxosdever | But why are you installing debian in the first place on the drive where you have important files? |
| 10:57.25 | frogdr | Because it will be in a different partition |
| 10:57.38 | frogdr | Also I have no other drives |
| 10:57.48 | glauxosdever | frogdr: You can never be sure shrinking will be successful. |
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| 10:58.03 | jmcnaught | frogdr: so now you stressed/tired *and* you need more storage to make backups, that's plenty of reasons to take a break and come back later |
| 10:58.11 | TomTomTosch | also, i would do the shrinking in windows tbh. |
| 10:58.28 | TomTomTosch | the ntfs partition that is. |
| 10:58.33 | _cyclops_ | hi - is it possible to config exim to use system aliases and user .forward files? My login is cyclops on my system, but i'd like to be able to use my real name as mail address (ruben@domain). However, i like to be able to do ruben+something@domain too and be able to filter that in the userforward. In the current debian config, that doesn't work. |
| 10:58.57 | frogdr | TomTomTosch: I already did |
| 10:59.10 | glauxosdever | frogdr: Quit the installation, go to sleep, do careful planning, fulfill the requirements of the planning and retry. |
| 11:00.09 | TomTomTosch | frogdr, well then. the installation is very staight forward. you select manual disk configuration and make the free space ext4 and mark it as root. |
| 11:00.26 | TomTomTosch | frogdr, also, read the docs that have been linked to you. |
| 11:01.02 | TomTomTosch | frogdr, you will also want to create a small swap partition, the instructions, again, being in the docs. |
| 11:01.38 | free_speech | frogdr, do you have cloud-based storage on the internet? you could back up your important files there. depending on HOW important ( and/or private ) they are, you could locally encrypt them before uploading. |
| 11:02.11 | glauxosdever | frogdr: Compress the files, and they will need less storage. |
| 11:02.20 | glauxosdever | Then backup. |
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| 11:03.44 | free_speech | glauxosdever, compress gifs? he talked about gif files ... ;) |
| 11:03.51 | NickCao | I use Debian just because I really support free software.And I thought Debian was the best choice.But no matter how I struggled it just didn't work well on my laptop(Thinkpad Edge S420) At first it was the drivers.After I fix it,the installation failed at choose and installing software everytime.At last I successfully installed it and upgrade it from stable |
| 11:03.52 | NickCao | to testing(by apt-get dist-upgrade).Today when I found there wasn't enough space in my /root partition,I used lvm to resize it.After I reboot it goes straightly into the emergency mode.I entered Ctrl+D to retry."error getting authority error initializing authority could not connect no such file or directory g io error quark 1" and this is what I got.I really |
| 11:03.52 | NickCao | want to fix it and support Debian throughout my lifetime.Those are what I want to say.I hope you guys can give me some advice. |
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| 11:04.12 | glauxosdever | Sure. you can compress whole directory trees. |
| 11:05.01 | TomTomTosch | smells in here... |
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| 11:06.16 | g2000 | glauxosdever: i doubt that compressing gif images will save a lot of space |
| 11:06.16 | jmcnaught | NickCao: you might need to boot from a live disk to fix the problem or at least diagnose it if it's a problem with the volume resize being botched. good luck, i've gotta go :) |
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| 11:06.54 | glauxosdever | frogdr: You can also install debian to a USB drive. |
| 11:07.05 | NickCao | How to |
| 11:09.02 | TomTomTosch | NickCao, updating to testing was probably not a good idea. |
| 11:09.21 | humbot | but he has a newish thinkpad |
| 11:09.38 | NickCao | Ubuntu based on unstable but it's still stable |
| 11:09.56 | TomTomTosch | NickCao, also testing support is not in this channel. |
| 11:10.00 | TomTomTosch | !debian-next |
| 11:10.01 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:10.40 | NickCao | I will |
| 11:10.52 | NickCao | Use Ubuntu instead |
| 11:10.58 | NickCao | God bye |
| 11:11.10 | TomTomTosch | NickCao, that might be the best option for you. good luck. |
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| 11:15.27 | TomTomTosch | humbot, ye, but if he can't deal with troubleshooting the system, then maybe a different distro is a better idea. |
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| 11:16.34 | TomTomTosch | nothing wrong with using ubuntu. |
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| 11:17.27 | jackcom | ctrl + f canât be used on terminal? |
| 11:17.46 | humbot | it means go forward one character |
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| 11:19.27 | jackcom | how can i find some word on terminal? |
| 11:19.51 | TomTomTosch | jackcom, that depends on which terminal emulator you are using. terminator for example has ctrl + shift + f for scrollback search. some don't have that at all. |
| 11:20.22 | jackcom | why? TomTomTosch ? |
| 11:20.39 | TomTomTosch | jackcom, why what? |
| 11:21.04 | jackcom | oh i see it differently :( |
| 11:21.09 | jackcom | my mistake |
| 11:21.12 | jackcom | TomTomTosch: |
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| 11:21.40 | SynrG | if you use screen or tmux, searching is probably easier |
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| 11:22.08 | SynrG | e.g. in screen, meta-[, then ? for reverse search, and just 'n' for each next occurance, searching backwards |
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| 11:22.25 | SynrG | then you don't have to worry about what terminal emulator you're in |
| 11:23.02 | jackcom | i use terminal SynrG |
| 11:23.03 | jackcom | :( |
| 11:23.29 | humbot | ctrl-r is good to search previous commands |
| 11:23.31 | SynrG | jackcom: so? you can use screen in that |
| 11:23.34 | jackcom | TomTomTosch: i must use âctrl + shift + fâ instead of âctrl + fâ |
| 11:23.57 | SynrG | (or tmux, which many people prefer) |
| 11:24.11 | jackcom | ctrl-r is not works |
| 11:24.19 | jackcom | ctrl + shift + f works |
| 11:24.26 | TomTomTosch | jackcom, in gnome-terminal? yes, there too. |
| 11:24.33 | jackcom | ctrl-r do not works |
| 11:24.50 | jackcom | thanks TomTomTosch |
| 11:24.51 | SynrG | jackcom: ctrl-r is for searching *commands* you previously typed ... |
| 11:25.10 | SynrG | different problem. still useful, though :) |
| 11:25.27 | jackcom | i use ubuntu now. for some reason |
| 11:25.38 | jackcom | ubuntu text very clear |
| 11:25.42 | SynrG | jackcom: then why are you asking here? we support debian here |
| 11:25.48 | jackcom | ok |
| 11:25.49 | TomTomTosch | well, that's awkward. |
| 11:25.51 | jackcom | my mistake |
| 11:25.57 | SynrG | see #ubuntu, then |
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| 11:26.17 | jackcom | i use Debian but i m listening lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FiQSLdnBqA&list=PLajw1vmp3JuwGpvFJIAY1F-QaVHiGGD52 |
| 11:26.26 | jackcom | so i use ubuntu for a while |
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| 11:26.58 | jackcom | but finally i wil use Debian |
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| 11:27.03 | jackcom | donât worry SynrG |
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| 11:27.22 | g2000 | jackcom: couldnt you just use grep? |
| 11:27.32 | SynrG | still. when you're trying out solutions to problems you ask here, do it on debian. otherwise, we can't guarantee good results. |
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| 11:27.50 | CrackerJack | jackcom i use debian my old laptop sid work good ubuntu not |
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| 11:28.32 | TomTomTosch | don't use sid if you are new to debian. try jessie/stable first. |
| 11:28.44 | CrackerJack | i use |
| 11:28.46 | joze | is ubunto comparable to sid? |
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| 11:28.51 | jackcom | but frankly ubuntu terminal text is better than Debian |
| 11:28.56 | SynrG | joze: apples and oranges |
| 11:28.56 | TomTomTosch | joze, no. |
| 11:29.01 | CrackerJack | but upgreat to sid xfce work good |
| 11:29.09 | SynrG | !sid |
| 11:29.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 11:29.22 | TomTomTosch | jackcom, you can install whatever terminal you want in ubuntu. |
| 11:29.29 | TomTomTosch | s/ubuntu/debian |
| 11:29.36 | jackcom | oh |
| 11:29.43 | SynrG | if you enjoy playing with broken things, please see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support. |
| 11:29.59 | jackcom | ok |
| 11:30.01 | jackcom | :) |
| 11:30.12 | TomTomTosch | what a silly saturday. |
| 11:30.15 | SynrG | but as was said earlier, not recommended for noobs |
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| 11:38.21 | KBcinha | ola rar |
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| 11:40.22 | jackcom | if i use vim then i donât need to use nano? |
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| 11:41.34 | FeignInt | jackcom: true |
| 11:41.39 | TomTomTosch | you can use whatever you like more. |
| 11:41.42 | BinBasher | Hi, I switched to debian quite some time ago but now there remains a CentOS option when selecting boot devices. update-grub doesn't fix the trick and there's nothing about CentOS in the grub.cfg ; It shows up as an option like when using a liveusb to choose as a boot option, but with the name of my hard disk. It just takes me to grub when I select it |
| 11:41.49 | jackcom | thanks FeignInt |
| 11:41.55 | jackcom | ok TomTomTosch |
| 11:42.19 | BinBasher | So how do I get rid of the nonexistent CentOS option? |
| 11:42.54 | FeignInt | jackcom: nano is very easy to use, vim isn't easy to start with.. but is more powerfull .. start with "vimtutor" to get uptospeed with vim ;) |
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| 11:45.00 | aegis | hahaha |
| 11:45.02 | aegis | nano |
| 11:45.05 | aegis | lulz |
| 11:45.08 | aegis | use vi |
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| 11:48.46 | jackcom | i heard that vim is better than vi. aedinius |
| 11:48.49 | jackcom | aegis: |
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| 11:49.43 | BinBasher | vim is something tilers use :P |
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| 11:50.00 | BinBasher | but seriously, does anyone know the solution to my problem? |
| 11:50.18 | jackcom | tilers? what is it? BinBasher |
| 11:50.24 | SynrG | BinBasher: i'm not sure i understand "there remains a CentOS option ..." is the system dual-boot? |
| 11:50.42 | SynrG | BinBasher: or did you completely replace CentOS with Debian? |
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| 11:51.43 | SynrG | BinBasher: update-grub will probe all your block devices with os-prober and automatically add any bootable systems it finds ... whether or not those systems are truly "bootable", i think update-grub probably doesn't know, since it's just looking at signatures of things :) |
| 11:52.17 | SynrG | BinBasher: so review any partitions you have lying around and figure out where it's finding the remains of your old CentOS system, clean that up, and then run update-grub again |
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| 11:53.42 | SynrG | BinBasher: there's no os-prober man page, but there is /usr/share/doc/os-prober/README which provides an overview |
| 11:54.36 | BinBasher | SynrG: the system is not dual boot, I wiped the whole device (nulled) before installing debian |
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| 11:55.56 | SynrG | BinBasher: did you install grub from Debian to the boot device? (note, to the *device*, not the partition where Debian is installed) |
| 11:56.11 | SynrG | normally that takes care of things, making Debian responsible for grub |
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| 11:56.24 | SynrG | if you had an old grub install by CentOS, that could explain your problem |
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| 11:56.49 | BinBasher | yes SynrG |
| 11:57.12 | SynrG | then i don't understand. what happens when you run "update-grub". what is output? use paste.debian.net |
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| 12:02.06 | toogley | hello. i want to build a clean debian unstable image (i can't use the one provided by docker, as its not clean). i use this script https://github.com/jmtd/debian-docker for that purpose. after cloning that, "sudo make install=unstable" results in "exec: /bin/sh": stat /bin/sh: no such file or directory. http://paste.debian.net/407552/ |
| 12:02.41 | toogley | and this https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/5135 doesn't help much here. additionally, other releases like jessie/stretch doesn't work either. |
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| 12:04.08 | SynrG | toogley: for unstable or testing (stretch) help, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net ... as for jessie docker not working, we could attempt to help with that here. |
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| 12:04.38 | toogley | SynrG: ah, okay. thanks |
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| 12:05.04 | SynrG | toogley: but personally, i have no docker experience at all :/ |
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| 12:06.13 | dutchfish | toogley, bashism https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=aufs-tools |
| 12:06.15 | SynrG | BinBasher: you need to send your paste to the channel for others to be able to help, and with localised errors (LC_ALL=C). |
| 12:06.28 | BinBasher | http://paste.debian.net/407615/ |
| 12:06.30 | BinBasher | sorry |
| 12:06.31 | SynrG | BinBasher: i think it may be an EFI issue |
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| 12:06.57 | SynrG | BinBasher: it seems EFI remembers your old CentOS |
| 12:07.01 | SynrG | i don't know how to fix this |
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| 12:07.11 | BinBasher | darn :P |
| 12:07.24 | SynrG | there are probably tons of people here with EFI systems who do |
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| 12:08.04 | hexnewbie | BinBasher: Check out efibootmgr. Check out of the debian entry is default. |
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| 12:09.14 | BinBasher | hexnewbie: yeah, it's the first in the list, but there's centos after debian |
| 12:09.28 | dutchfish | toogley, its in stable, testing and sid atm, afaik |
| 12:09.29 | BinBasher | I just want it out of my system memory |
| 12:09.35 | SynrG | hexnewbie: his complaint is the centos entry points at a non-existent install |
| 12:09.44 | SynrG | completely wiped & replaced by debian |
| 12:09.59 | BinBasher | Boot0009* centos |
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| 12:10.18 | hexnewbie | BinBasher: So your Debian actually boots fine? |
| 12:10.27 | BinBasher | hexnewbie: it does |
| 12:10.42 | toogley | dutchfish: so do you mean by that i should check those scripts for bashism? |
| 12:10.50 | SynrG | one of these days i need to set up a virtual EFI machine so i can experience the fun :) |
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| 12:11.06 | Pseudo | BinBasher: try boot with the livecd and choose advance option |
| 12:11.14 | hexnewbie | BinBasher: You can delete the centos boot entry with efibootmgr. I haven't used it for anything but listing, so YMMV, but it *should* be safe. :) |
| 12:11.32 | Pseudo | reintsalling the grub to ur /dev/sda/ again from the live cd |
| 12:11.59 | dutchfish | toogley, yes, or rather compare them to the Ubunutu ones, as explained in your link |
| 12:12.05 | hexnewbie | BinBasher: Something like: efibootmgr --delete-bootnum 0009 (Though read the man page instead of blindly running this) |
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| 12:12.29 | dutchfish | toogley, thats th emost likely culprit |
| 12:13.12 | dutchfish | toogley, i strugled with that myself |
| 12:13.12 | hexnewbie | I've been pretty afraid to touch my EFI knowing it makes my system unbootable, and it is more difficult to recover from than BIOS. :) |
| 12:13.42 | SynrG | might be good to have EFI-capable boot media first |
| 12:13.50 | SynrG | for possible rescue |
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| 12:14.01 | SynrG | try a rescue boot first :) |
| 12:14.04 | dutchfish | toogley, maybe #debian-next can help you |
| 12:14.06 | toogley | dutchfish: hm, thanks |
| 12:14.12 | dutchfish | toogley, yw |
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| 12:15.42 | hexnewbie | Yeah, I had to make a trip to work to make bootable media to rescue my machine. It was embarrassing, and I almost hadn't used rescue media ever before that (only made such just in case - and it turned out useless on EFI). |
| 12:16.08 | BinBasher | I'm afraid to touch it too, lol |
| 12:16.18 | BinBasher | man says efibootmgr -b 4 -B should do it |
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| 12:16.37 | BinBasher | but --help says I should use the hex like you said |
| 12:16.44 | BinBasher | shivers |
| 12:17.00 | BinBasher | I mean 2 not 4 |
| 12:17.34 | SynrG | also, you could try creating a virtual machine with EFI and destroy that first |
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| 12:17.51 | SynrG | once you've gotten really good at destroying^wfixing virtual machines, unleash your new knowledge on the real one |
| 12:17.54 | hexnewbie | BinBasher: You said centos was 9, though? :) |
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| 12:18.00 | BinBasher | simulating all that could take a while |
| 12:18.10 | BinBasher | hexnewbie: it's 0009 but second in the list |
| 12:18.24 | SynrG | sure. just depends on how much effort you want to invest in paranoid measures :) |
| 12:18.25 | BinBasher | argh stupid man page |
| 12:18.42 | SynrG | vs. how much you trust your reading of the doc |
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| 12:19.20 | BinBasher | I'm going to ignore the manpafe |
| 12:19.23 | BinBasher | manpage* |
| 12:19.24 | SynrG | since the issue is cosmetic, you have the luxury of lots of time to study before proceeding :) |
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| 12:20.13 | JyZyXEL | the worst thing about EFI is how manufacturers don't update them to fix bugs |
| 12:20.27 | BinBasher | yeah it should be 9 not 2 |
| 12:20.28 | BinBasher | ugh |
| 12:21.18 | BinBasher | or is it |
| 12:21.22 | dutchfish | at0m, or have a wooden board as spectacles before your sun glasses? ;) |
| 12:21.31 | SynrG | BinBasher: i don't have this tool, but if you can *list* by ID and it's the same option as for deleting, that may help |
| 12:21.33 | dutchfish | oops |
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| 12:22.16 | SynrG | BinBasher: i mean, assuming the tool uses the same addressing scheme for listing by ID as for deleting by ID. otherwise, all is lost :) |
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| 12:23.58 | BinBasher | SynrG: yes, listing skips some numbers (goes from 0 to 9 ; 9 is second in the list) |
| 12:24.19 | BinBasher | now in the examples they're all nicely from 0 to 9 |
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| 12:24.26 | BinBasher | including all in between |
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| 12:25.52 | SynrG | BinBasher: how about using -b to modify the entry to change the label? |
| 12:25.58 | SynrG | BinBasher: that would be an innocuous change ... |
| 12:26.08 | jackcom | if i listen english in youtube continuously, then i can heard english well? |
| 12:26.23 | SynrG | BinBasher: see -L |
| 12:26.49 | SynrG | BinBasher: having confirmed that editing that entry edits the CentOS label, you can be confident, -B will delete the right thing |
| 12:27.27 | BinBasher | SynrG: why does no one use --delete-bootnum 0009 |
| 12:27.40 | BinBasher | why are all those extra options used |
| 12:27.48 | SynrG | BinBasher: the short vs. long names? |
| 12:28.03 | SynrG | BinBasher: long names are descriptive and easier to remember. short names easier to type ... |
| 12:28.17 | SynrG | most admins prefer brevity |
| 12:28.39 | BinBasher | I mean |
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| 12:28.47 | BinBasher | man tells me to use -b and -B |
| 12:28.59 | NickCao | Thank you guys |
| 12:29.08 | SynrG | BinBasher: it lists both ... |
| 12:29.14 | SynrG | http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=efibootmgr&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en |
| 12:29.25 | SynrG | -B | --delete-bootnum |
| 12:29.26 | NickCao | No matter how I've installed Ubuntu-gnome and it works well |
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| 12:30.20 | BinBasher | SynrG: why is -b used to specify in the deleting example? :s |
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| 12:31.07 | SynrG | BinBasher: let me see ... |
| 12:32.09 | SynrG | BinBasher: that's inconsistent with what's in OPTIONS, for sure. |
| 12:32.23 | SynrG | OPTIONS claims -B needs an argument, the id |
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| 12:32.34 | SynrG | so i don't know why you'd specify both |
| 12:32.56 | BinBasher | SynrG: so it's wrong in man? |
| 12:33.10 | SynrG | i think so. wrong, or just incomplete |
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| 12:33.26 | SynrG | if -b # -B is an alternate syntax for -B #, the man page doesn't specify that |
| 12:33.29 | BinBasher | if man is incorrect we should all be afraid |
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| 12:33.49 | SynrG | well, if the man page is incorrect, you file a 'minor' bug with reportbug to fix it |
| 12:34.01 | SynrG | that way, you help make Debian better :) |
| 12:34.07 | BinBasher | of course |
| 12:34.53 | SynrG | i see no bug filed against it about this topic |
| 12:35.02 | BinBasher | ok.. efibootmgr -L 9 delete did nothing |
| 12:35.19 | SynrG | looks for upstream bug tracker ... |
| 12:35.26 | SynrG | eh? |
| 12:35.32 | SynrG | BinBasher: i think you mistook my meaning |
| 12:35.51 | BinBasher | oh, label not as in a verb |
| 12:35.54 | SynrG | BinBasher: the man page indicates -L can be used to modify a label. you need to use it in conjunction with -b # to modify the label |
| 12:36.07 | SynrG | you have to say what entry to modify |
| 12:36.08 | BinBasher | yeah :P |
| 12:36.14 | SynrG | then the argument to -L is the new label |
| 12:36.18 | SynrG | like "Delete me" :) |
| 12:36.34 | BinBasher | I thought you meant label as a verb hehe |
| 12:36.36 | BinBasher | my bad |
| 12:36.55 | SynrG | so after that, listing it should show the Centos entry now called "Delete me" |
| 12:37.12 | SynrG | assuming you're successful, you can be confident that -B # will delete the right entry |
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| 12:37.50 | BinBasher | efibootmgr -b 9 -L delete did nothing either |
| 12:37.57 | BinBasher | trying hex... |
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| 12:39.08 | BinBasher | did nothing either.. hmm |
| 12:39.24 | hexnewbie | BinBasher: Try efibootmgr -b 0009 -L delete |
| 12:39.38 | BinBasher | I did |
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| 12:39.48 | SynrG | and then afterwards, just 'efibootmgr' |
| 12:39.55 | SynrG | what do you mean by "it did nothing"? |
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| 12:40.24 | SynrG | the purpose of this exercise is to test if the output from 'efibootmgr' contains the CentOS entry renamed to 'delete' |
| 12:40.37 | BinBasher | http://paste.debian.net/407641/ |
| 12:40.42 | BinBasher | it did nothing :P |
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| 12:41.17 | SynrG | i thought you were trying to delete a centos entry. that one says ubuntu |
| 12:41.34 | BinBasher | I used a theoretical example |
| 12:41.40 | markybob | great |
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| 12:41.52 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.53 | SynrG | so let's talk about the *real* one from now on? :) |
| 12:42.09 | BinBasher | not that it makes any difference, but of course |
| 12:42.29 | SynrG | ok. so there is a big discrepancy between what OPTIONS says and what EXAMPLES says ... |
| 12:42.38 | SynrG | let's assume they updated the examples and forgot to fix OPTIONS |
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| 12:42.50 | SynrG | prior to your test, i had assumed the reverse |
| 12:43.19 | SynrG | so then, "efibootmgr -b 2 -L delete" should change the 2nd entry (ubuntu) to label "delete" |
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| 12:44.00 | BinBasher | did nothing |
| 12:44.11 | SynrG | wonderful! : |
| 12:44.13 | SynrG | :p |
| 12:44.27 | nebg | hello everyone... is apt the new front-end for apt-get and apt-cache etc... ? |
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| 12:45.15 | SynrG | BinBasher: perhaps my assumption that -L can be used in conjunction with -b to modify an existing entry's label is incorrect ... |
| 12:45.19 | markybob | nebg: pretty much it tries to combine it a bit...though it does still lack things |
| 12:47.06 | SynrG | BinBasher: all of the examples seem to indicate that the leading zeroes don't matter, so 0004 in the examples is consistent with -b 4 |
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| 12:49.12 | BinBasher | SynrG: the long syntax doesn't work either |
| 12:50.22 | SynrG | BinBasher: i wouldn't expect a difference between short and long. i think the test methodology i have frozen is flawed ... |
| 12:50.41 | SynrG | that is, -L can only be used when creating an entry to supply a label, not to rename an existing entry |
| 12:51.16 | BinBasher | that makes sense |
| 12:52.12 | aegis | jackom: why do you think vim is better than vi? |
| 12:52.52 | BinBasher | SynrG: I got tired and thought (pardon my french) "fuck it" |
| 12:52.55 | BinBasher | I did it |
| 12:52.57 | BinBasher | :P |
| 12:53.23 | BinBasher | sometimes being reckless will get you somewhere, it seems |
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| 12:54.07 | SynrG | :) |
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| 12:54.44 | retrojeff | does debian ship with Synaptic Package Manager by default still? |
| 12:55.03 | SynrG | BinBasher: the main thing is the non-standard representation of hexidecimal and the examples showing ambiguous hex identifiers (could be interpreted as decimal or hex because they are valid in both) |
| 12:55.09 | markybob | retrojeff: it's in the repos, yes |
| 12:55.15 | themill | retrojeff: "default" is pretty meaningless; it has never been a default by any value of default that I'd use. |
| 12:55.27 | SynrG | BinBasher: the wishlist to upstream (I guess) would be "please change examples to use actual hex digits to improve clarity" |
| 12:55.58 | SynrG | BinBasher: by non-standard, i mean without any prefix '0x' or some such ... |
| 12:56.14 | BinBasher | I thought it was a list number (dec) too at first |
| 12:56.17 | SynrG | BinBasher: so that left us all doubting :( |
| 12:56.27 | SynrG | just really, really poorly chosen examples |
| 12:56.32 | BinBasher | indeed |
| 12:57.13 | SynrG | BinBasher: you could go the extra mile and file both an upstream and debian bug, or just file a debian one |
| 12:57.14 | BinBasher | examples skipping some numbers would be good |
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| 12:57.26 | SynrG | if you file two, mutually xref bug#s between them |
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| 12:57.52 | SynrG | this is a horrible, horrible accident waiting to happen :p |
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| 12:58.31 | BinBasher | some artificial intelligence programmer won't be happy |
| 12:58.55 | SynrG | heh |
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| 12:59.46 | SynrG | i'm a bit peeved, too, that there's no command that does a non-destructive change on an entry that would confirm you have the entry addressing syntax correct :p |
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| 13:00.29 | SynrG | nor any "--dry-run" option that would go through all of the motions, giving you output, without making the actual change |
| 13:00.41 | BinBasher | SynrG: an option would be to modify with these commands and to confirm with an extra flag |
| 13:01.05 | BinBasher | SynrG: given that you already get the output after each time using the command |
| 13:01.28 | SynrG | well, my proposed --dry-run would address that |
| 13:01.31 | BinBasher | yes |
| 13:01.57 | SynrG | so, you going to file one or the other or both bugs? |
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| 13:02.17 | BinBasher | SynrG: technically it isn't a bug |
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| 13:02.24 | SynrG | for such a vital tool, it has some pretty serious usability issues |
| 13:02.36 | BinBasher | I'll list one though |
| 13:02.37 | SynrG | sure it is. in that wishlists are bugs, too. |
| 13:02.56 | SynrG | (in the debian bug tracker, all bugs are bugs) |
| 13:03.24 | SynrG | the doc bug is an actual bug, though. it's sufficiently unclear as to court disaster. |
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| 13:10.32 | SynrG | BinBasher: when you file the doc bug, don't forget to mention that at least three accomplished admins agonized over an hour, consulting the confusing doc, over how to ensure our understanding of the options was, indeed, correct before doing the risky command, and that was the fault of the unclear doc. |
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| 13:10.42 | gustavohmsilva | hi guys. wonder if someone can help me... Some idiot at my company added an ubuntu repository at our debian server |
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| 13:11.03 | gustavohmsilva | and now every time I apt-get update I receive a failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/brackets/ubuntu/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages |
| 13:11.25 | gustavohmsilva | the problem is that I already looked at sources.list, and this repository isn't there |
| 13:11.33 | gustavohmsilva | is there anywhere else he could be? |
| 13:11.35 | SynrG | gustavohmsilva: there are two places to look |
| 13:11.39 | teraflops | gustavohmsilva: so? remove it, i bet it's under sources.list.d/ |
| 13:11.41 | SynrG | gustavohmsilva: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ has files |
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| 13:12.58 | gustavohmsilva | I'VE FOUND HIM! |
| 13:13.03 | gustavohmsilva | thanks guys |
| 13:13.25 | gustavohmsilva | no idea that I could put sources in enywhere else besides souces.list |
| 13:13.36 | gustavohmsilva | you guys are awesome! really, thanks! |
| 13:13.40 | teraflops | heh |
| 13:13.47 | SynrG | gustavohmsilva: this is a common trait of configs in debian. consult man page. it explains :) |
| 13:14.12 | SynrG | gustavohmsilva: it is necessary to have a place that additional configs can be added by other scripts/packages without modifying the main config, as otherwise, it would violate debian packaging policy |
| 13:14.41 | gustavohmsilva | yes. I know that, I just keep forgeting about man, I'm kind of slow LMFAO |
| 13:14.43 | SynrG | so this "sectional config" scheme is often used, with a similar name to the main config, suffixed with ".d" |
| 13:14.53 | SynrG | k |
| 13:15.00 | gustavohmsilva | SynrG: thanks for the tip. |
| 13:15.01 | BinBasher | I'll quote that, SynrG ;) |
| 13:15.09 | SynrG | BinBasher: :) |
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| 13:15.51 | gustavohmsilva | SynrG: so, I can create as many additional sources lists inside this folder? That's good! Wonder why every tutorial I've seen tell me to add deb-multimedia on the main sources.list |
| 13:16.03 | gustavohmsilva | instead of creating a folder inside sources.list.d |
| 13:16.08 | SynrG | gustavohmsilva: it is mostly a concern for packages and scripts ... |
| 13:16.20 | SynrG | gustavohmsilva: most admins consider "all in one conf file" to be more convenient |
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| 13:16.47 | SynrG | but which you use as an admin is a matter of personal taste |
| 13:17.13 | gustavohmsilva | SynrG: I think I would go that way as well. |
| 13:17.28 | SynrG | also, people like to keep instructions concise and simple, so just say "/etc/apt/sources.list" for brevity |
| 13:17.34 | SynrG | even when they know the alternative exists |
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| 13:17.38 | gustavohmsilva | Have to tell you guys I'm studing to get my compTIA certification, this sh#$% is HARD! |
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| 13:18.12 | SynrG | well, there are certainly a lot of things to remember ... however, there's a lot less to hold in your head at once when you know how to look for things in the doc |
| 13:18.16 | SynrG | and discipline yourself to do it |
| 13:18.20 | gustavohmsilva | I've used linux when I was a boy, connectiva, slackware and a brazilian distro (finished now) called kurumin |
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| 13:18.36 | SynrG | but this is somewhat OT and more suitable to discuss on #debian-offtopic |
| 13:18.47 | gustavohmsilva | but after that I just forgot everything |
| 13:19.16 | gustavohmsilva | and now I was testing ubuntu for a long time, but the I still don't like it, Idk, I just prefer debian |
| 13:20.03 | gustavohmsilva | is there a offtopic channel???? awesome! I'll add it to my "open when start" IRC lol |
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| 13:20.38 | gustavohmsilva | again guys, thanks for the help! |
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| 14:14.05 | b|ackwolf | how can I extend /tmp partition? |
| 14:14.36 | b|ackwolf | when I do apt-get update I get "no space left on device" |
| 14:15.02 | b|ackwolf | I did apt-get clean and apt-get autoremove , etc |
| 14:15.38 | b|ackwolf | but none of them is permanent. every time I do update I get the message. |
| 14:17.13 | Vante | b|ackwolf: with livecd distribution. |
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| 14:17.47 | Vante | b|ackwolf: you are going to extend the mounted partition which runs your system. |
| 14:18.09 | Vante | b|ackwolf: sorry, disc |
| 14:18.28 | hexnewbie | You can extend partitions on the fly. |
| 14:18.44 | hexnewbie | b|ackwolf: Is it tmpfs, is it on your root mount? |
| 14:18.45 | Vante | hexnewbie: how? |
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| 14:19.02 | hexnewbie | b|ackwolf: Can you pastebin df -hT and/or mount? |
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| 14:19.56 | hexnewbie | Vante: Depends on your filesystem. Perhaps resize2fs, xfs_growfs - the latter doesn't even work if the FS is not mounted |
| 14:20.08 | b|ackwolf | hexnewbie, my / is full. |
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| 14:20.32 | hexnewbie | Vante: partprobe extends the partition device even if it is in use (though not always, and LVM is preferable) |
| 14:21.05 | Vante | hexnewbie: thank you, i will search how this programs do it. |
| 14:21.11 | hexnewbie | b|ackwolf: Do you have free space to extend the partition? Are you using LVM? Do you have filelight or ncdu installed? |
| 14:21.11 | b|ackwolf | the root partition size is 9.8 GiB |
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| 14:22.21 | b|ackwolf | hexnewbie, yes my home partition has enough space. |
| 14:22.41 | hexnewbie | b|ackwolf: I am not sure if that helps at all |
| 14:23.02 | hexnewbie | b|ackwolf: Do you have free (that is, *unpartitioned*) space immediately after the root partition? |
| 14:23.18 | b|ackwolf | hexnewbie, no |
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| 14:23.27 | hexnewbie | b|ackwolf: And these are regular partitions, not LVM? |
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| 14:25.13 | b|ackwolf | hexnewbie, yes. |
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| 14:25.45 | b|ackwolf | hexnewbie, there's no way but re-installing and give enough space to root. |
| 14:26.42 | hexnewbie | b|ackwolf: You have four options: 1) Move some files into /home and symlink them (filelight, ncdu, or du will help you tell which). 2) Delete some files/packages 3) If *way more* than half of /home is free, you can shrink it and move it and then move it again (with parted or manually), 4) Start on a new drive |
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| 14:27.13 | hexnewbie | b|ackwolf: Have you looked into /var/tmp for files to delete? Some software (worst offender being KDE) creates enormous temporary files there and leaves them when they are no longer necessary |
| 14:27.27 | Vante | hexnewbie: resizing is not the option? |
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| 14:27.49 | b|ackwolf | hexnewbie, I've deleted all files under /var/tmp |
| 14:28.04 | hexnewbie | Vante: You can only resize when there's free space, limited to constraint of the partition scheme (which is why LVM is often preferable to partitions) |
| 14:28.30 | Vante | Now i see. |
| 14:29.05 | hexnewbie | Vante: You can resize the partitions but you cannot move them (in LVM they can be discontinuous, so moving them isn't required) |
| 14:29.17 | b|ackwolf | how can I see which directory use more space than others? |
| 14:29.28 | b|ackwolf | du -cks *| sort -rn | head ? |
| 14:29.40 | hexnewbie | Or rather, you *can* move them, but only if you have enough free space for a second copy of the entire partition |
| 14:30.11 | hexnewbie | b|ackwolf: du -csh | sort -h |
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| 14:30.43 | hexnewbie | b|ackwolf: er, du -csh * | sort -h # or ncdu |
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| 14:35.51 | b|ackwolf | hexnewbie, largest directories are /usr/lib and usr/share |
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| 14:43.27 | amdp | hi has the wall command a log? |
| 14:43.43 | amdp | or it just removes everything? |
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| 14:52.19 | axel_fly | I want to reinstall debian 8 on my new SSD. but could not boot up with the debian install usb key. get only grub, when i boot the usb-key in uefi mode. secure boot is off |
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| 15:05.45 | balance | hi |
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| 15:06.27 | wacek | what command apt-get does the same thing pacman -Rns |
| 15:06.38 | nkuttler | wacek: what does that do? |
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| 15:07.24 | balance | how can I turn off the menu on the start up where I can choose if I want to run debina or debian in safety mode (or whatever it is called)? |
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| 15:08.42 | koowgnojeel | balance: grub ? |
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| 15:09.15 | nkuttler | balance: that sounds like a bad idea |
| 15:09.21 | nkuttler | s#bad#very bad# |
| 15:09.31 | balance | koowgnojeel, yeah - I want it to directly start up but still be able to switch to safe mode if needed somehow |
| 15:09.41 | balance | nkuttler, it's just a vm |
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| 15:10.59 | r6ku | balance: by default grub takes 5 seconds to choose an option automatically, you can configure it to take 1 second instead |
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| 15:11.48 | balance | r6ku, okay thanks |
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| 15:44.54 | gustavohmsilva | just curious |
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| 15:45.30 | gustavohmsilva | if I have access to a kernel .img file from an android device |
| 15:45.52 | gustavohmsilva | can I easily (or kind of easily) put together a debian on top of it? |
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| 15:52.33 | abrotman | gustavohmsilva: there are topics in the wiki that discuss Debian on an Android device |
| 15:53.51 | matthep | Hello, do you know a web based mail client (eg roundcube ...) on which i can receive mails from all my other mail adresses and answer them using the good "sender address" like i do with icedove ? |
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| 15:57.51 | abrotman | why can't you do that with Roundcube? |
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| 15:58.50 | abrotman | why can't those other addresses forward to your single address? |
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| 16:14.17 | orl_ | Hi! |
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| 16:15.05 | orl_ | Got an Failed to Raise Networking Interfaces from systemd at startup, but systemctl status only gives me "networking.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE", and I cannot go much further with so few informations. |
| 16:15.12 | orl_ | Networking is working though. |
| 16:15.34 | orl_ | But I've got to wait 1'30" before timeout has passed, and then, it starts |
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| 16:26.58 | MeatHammer | orl_: do you get an error if you restart the networking service? |
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| 16:27.19 | MeatHammer | orl_: from the CLI i mean |
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| 16:29.35 | MeatHammer | guys im at a complete loss here, documentation is very slim... how do I return the PID of a network namespace? |
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| 16:33.07 | LitoII_ | any clue in which folder should I install julia language .deb package? |
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| 16:33.29 | LitoII_ | FHS isn t my strong point |
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| 16:39.40 | nkuttler | LitoII_: um, when you install a package it puts the files where it wants them |
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| 16:40.59 | LitoII_ | nkuttler, so I can choose any folder? and dpkg -i is all that is needed? |
| 16:41.33 | markybob | LitoII_: no. dpkg -i gives you no choice. it puts it where the deb was configured to be installed into |
| 16:42.50 | LitoII_ | nkuttler, I wasn t clear. I mean, I can have .deb at any folder and when I execute dpkg the packet will be install in the proper folder,right? |
| 16:43.06 | markybob | LitoII_: yes |
| 16:43.26 | LitoII_ | markybob, thanks guys |
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| 16:48.44 | docmur | Is it possible to extra a live dvd iso to a hard disk, make edits and recompile it back to a live dvd |
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| 17:16.21 | puppet645 | hi |
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| 17:16.34 | puppet645 | What daemon is similar to supervisord _and_ supports dependencies? |
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| 17:30.08 | JoshSc | Hi |
| 17:30.20 | puppet645 | hi |
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| 17:30.46 | JoshSc | I'm doing a dist-upgrade in a REALLY slow vm. How can I tell if it's near done |
| 17:30.57 | JoshSc | I'm embarrassed to say how long it's been running |
| 17:31.03 | JoshSc | like maybe 12 hours |
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| 17:33.45 | JoshSc | is there a better channel to ask that? |
| 17:34.12 | nkuttler | JoshSc: tail -f /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 17:35.08 | dontknow | JoshSc, it looks bad |
| 17:35.34 | markybob | JoshSc: is it downloading or installing? |
| 17:35.40 | JoshSc | it's saying Buildind initial module for 3.16.0-4-686-pae |
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| 17:35.51 | JoshSc | which it has said before and done other stuff in between |
| 17:36.14 | markybob | JoshSc: yeah it can do that several times on a dist-upgrade |
| 17:36.15 | JoshSc | I guess I could run another terminal and type that |
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| 17:37.25 | JoshSc | It's running on a pathetic atom processor emulating in virtualbox |
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| 17:37.48 | JoshSc | I didn't give it much memory, but it's not taking even 100 meg to run |
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| 17:37.56 | JoshSc | and I gave it 5 times that |
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| 17:38.35 | JoshSc | woo it just said "Done." waiting for the next shoe to drop |
| 17:39.02 | JoshSc | vbosguest: Running module version sanity check. |
| 17:39.14 | JoshSc | *vboxguest |
| 17:39.40 | JoshSc | it might be in a loop |
| 17:40.37 | JoshSc | maybe not... |
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| 17:42.50 | JoshSc | Can a dist-upgrade get stuck in a loop? |
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| 17:48.29 | JoshSc | nkuttler: last line is status half-configured initramfs-tools:all 0.120 |
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| 17:49.08 | JoshSc | It's still slowly going through items |
| 17:49.23 | JoshSc | but they look familiar, like maybe it's done these before |
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| 17:49.40 | pekhee | (pekhee) Hi people. I'm trying to install Debian on a late 2013 11,1 MacBook Pro. If I'm not wrong refind or a fork of it is installed on the device as boot loader. Copying a live Debian ISO on a USB stick and booting from it drops to GRUB rescue at "insmod normal" with error "file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found.". I think GRUB's prefix is wrong, it's on internal disk and using GRUB's ls there is no device for USB stick. |
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| 17:49.57 | pekhee | Also using nonfree netinst ISO, Debian boots to Debian-installer but there is an error for mounting cdrom. I tried to mount USB stick manually to /cdrom but again there is no partition detected om USB stick. |
| 17:50.11 | prp-e | pekhee, Hi! |
| 17:50.41 | JoshSc | q |
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| 18:58.06 | frogdr | will Debian packages work on Ubuntu? |
| 18:58.10 | frogdr | wait no |
| 18:58.15 | frogdr | will Debian packages work on Arch? |
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| 18:58.25 | tulphoon | Who knows. |
| 18:58.46 | tulphoon | If you are really desperate for having those you can compile them from source code. |
| 18:59.21 | apg | hi, is unity available on debian unstable? |
| 18:59.52 | dontknow | apg, no |
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| 19:00.26 | apg | is there something wrong with unity? why it is not included? |
| 19:00.44 | tulphoon | Unity is a Ubuntu thing. |
| 19:01.02 | dontknow | it is sucked no one wants to package it maybe |
| 19:01.36 | apg | licencely speaking, i think it is compatible with dfsg |
| 19:02.03 | tulphoon | It might be. |
| 19:02.17 | markybob | apg: it is. no one really cares |
| 19:02.28 | tulphoon | Just use something really handy like i3. |
| 19:03.10 | markybob | apg: the real answer is it requires weird unsupported gtk patches |
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| 19:04.00 | apg | I am currently using ubuntu 14.04 with unity. but, packages are getting old by now, debian unstable just sparked on my mind |
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| 19:04.27 | markybob | apg: realize debian unstable is not supported in here |
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| 19:05.01 | dontknow | apg, keep running ubuntu |
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| 19:06.23 | dontknow | no need for adventure |
| 19:07.16 | ompaul | and in June you can dist-upgrade your ubuntu |
| 19:07.48 | TomTomTosch | apg, there is no real advantage to using unity. maybe take a look at a different DE like KDE or Xfce :) |
| 19:07.50 | frogdr | !install |
| 19:07.51 | dpkg | There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 19:08.08 | frogdr | !installguide |
| 19:08.11 | frogdr | !install guide |
| 19:08.12 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>. |
| 19:08.23 | TomTomTosch | frogdr /msg dpkg <whatever> |
| 19:08.26 | jmcnaught | apg: you're welcome to try Debian, but starting with Debian Stable is recommended. Unstable only has newer packages because it's a development platform, it's not really meant for end users and breaks often. |
| 19:08.29 | frogdr | oh, thanks |
| 19:09.20 | apg | thinking to install debian unstable or testing if only I have the chance to buy a newer laptop |
| 19:09.48 | markybob | apg: bad idea. vlc and network-manager are currently broken in testing, for example. it'll mess you up |
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| 19:10.21 | markybob | apg: several other things. that's why it's called testing/unstable |
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| 19:11.19 | phre4k | can somebody tell me the folder structure of roundcube in Debian 7? I need to know if it's /roundcube/program/js/tiny_mce/ or .../tinymce/ |
| 19:11.29 | ompaul | markybob: funny you should say vlc is broken it's working for me on sid |
| 19:11.33 | ompaul | right now |
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| 19:11.53 | markybob | ompaul: i don't doubt it. thus the state of testing systems |
| 19:12.21 | ompaul | I can't screenshot ... that's a pity |
| 19:12.25 | phre4k | nevermind, just found out by downloading the package :D |
| 19:12.28 | markybob | heh |
| 19:12.29 | ompaul | I was about to get this irc channel and others |
| 19:12.49 | ompaul | goes to try and work out what's broken |
| 19:13.02 | TomTomTosch | good man. |
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| 19:14.08 | ompaul | kipi-plugins might help |
| 19:15.01 | ompaul | oh look verbose data in error message - I'll address that :) |
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| 19:24.01 | MeatHammer | anyone here good at working with network namespaces aka ip-netns ? |
| 19:25.15 | TomTomTosch | !tell MeatHammer -about aks |
| 19:25.23 | TomTomTosch | !tell MeatHammer -about ask |
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| 19:25.35 | MeatHammer | im having some difficulty working with network namespaces in debian. documentation for ip-netns is pretty poor, even man pages. I am trying to return the PID of an exisiting namespace with "sudo ip netns pids jail" (jail being the name of an existing namespace). The command returns nothing, no error, just back to prompt. What am I doing wrong? |
| 19:25.52 | grawity | MeatHammer: maybe it doesn't have a PID? |
| 19:26.20 | MeatHammer | grawity: i think that it must? I can see it in /var/run/netns |
| 19:26.27 | grawity | that has nothing to do with pIDs |
| 19:26.28 | grawity | PIDs* |
| 19:26.38 | grawity | in fact, that's exactly why it can continue existing without any |
| 19:26.43 | MeatHammer | grawity: oh ok |
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| 19:26.54 | grawity | namespaces are not processes and don't belong to any specific PID, more like the opposite â they have processes belonging to that NS |
| 19:26.59 | MeatHammer | grawity: but the existing (and sparse) docs imply otherwise? |
| 19:27.28 | ompaul | file a bug with corrections in that case |
| 19:27.30 | MeatHammer | mainly ip netns identify <PID> |
| 19:27.43 | grawity | that doesn't imply otherwise |
| 19:27.45 | MeatHammer | and ip netns pids <namespacename> |
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| 19:28.05 | grawity | it really just tells what namespace that process ID is attached to |
| 19:28.13 | grawity | but that's *not* the namespace's PID |
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| 19:29.01 | MeatHammer | ah ok... then hpow do I execute this command on the right namespace? "iw phy phy0 set netns 666" 666 has to be the PID of the namespace in question, i think? |
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| 19:29.24 | grawity | it needs to be the PID of some process in that namespace |
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| 19:29.40 | grawity | I think iw was written with the assumption that there will always be at least one |
| 19:29.42 | MeatHammer | hrmmm ok |
| 19:30.06 | grawity | but they later made it possible to "pin" namespaces to the FS with `mount --bind` â what you see in /run/netns is such a pinned namespace |
| 19:30.20 | grawity | so, start something like /bin/sh with `ip netns exec` |
| 19:30.27 | MeatHammer | ah ok |
| 19:30.29 | grawity | and use that new PID with `iw` |
| 19:30.32 | grawity | that should work |
| 19:30.39 | MeatHammer | let me try that out |
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| 19:30.46 | grawity | actually |
| 19:30.59 | grawity | *my* version of iw says "... set netns { <pid> | name <nsname> }" |
| 19:31.12 | grawity | so I guess it already knows about named namespaces |
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| 19:32.02 | grawity | same for `ip link`, accepts "[ netns PID ] [ netns NAME ]" |
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| 19:36.30 | frogdr | i think it's working. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/LzrxKRfE/irccloudcapture1181046017.jpg |
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| 19:37.45 | markybob | frogdr: that looks like a laptop. is it? |
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| 19:38.58 | frogdr | markybob: nop. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/AifjFzuq/irccloudcapture793654204.jpg |
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| 19:39.24 | markybob | frogdr: is it uefi? |
| 19:40.11 | AntimatterCarp | fold3, Looks like it is working as well |
| 19:41.16 | frogdr | markybob: dunno |
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| 19:41.21 | frogdr | I think so |
| 19:41.29 | frogdr | But it has a bios too |
| 19:41.33 | markybob | frogdr: which installer image did you use? |
| 19:41.49 | frogdr | amd64 |
| 19:42.00 | markybob | frogdr: live or normal? |
| 19:42.11 | frogdr | Normal |
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| 19:42.21 | markybob | frogdr: good. you should be fine then :) |
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| 19:43.59 | jim | frogdr, if you remember the filename of the image, that would help verify their advice |
| 19:44.25 | frogdr | Sorry, I don't |
| 19:44.37 | markybob | frogdr: the thing is live doesn't support uefi |
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| 19:49.29 | MeatHammer | grawity: thanks for the direction but im still not having any luck. heres what im trying to do: add my wlan adapter to a namespace. Ive already successfully added loopback, now I'd like to add wlan1. This led me to iw phy as a fix, although im not even sure thats right. Any ideas? |
| 19:49.56 | grawity | well, loopback exists on every namespace by default |
| 19:50.14 | grawity | but try `ip link set wlan1 netns <name>` |
| 19:51.33 | enoch85 | grawity: just wanted to say thanks for helping out with znc |
| 19:51.37 | enoch85 | it works now |
| 19:51.58 | MeatHammer | grawity: "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument" |
| 19:52.25 | grawity | try bringing it down first |
| 19:52.35 | grawity | did you get the same from `iw` by the way? |
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| 19:53.30 | MeatHammer | grawity: tried it after "ifconfig wlan1 down" same error |
| 19:53.40 | phre4k | how can I report an outdated package which breaks another package? It seems that roundcube depends on tinymce 4.0+ but only 3.4.8 is available. I'd want to update the package to include the newest version without breaking older programs. |
| 19:53.59 | grawity | hmm maybe individual wifi devices cannot be moved, only phys |
| 19:54.02 | MeatHammer | grawity: not sure what u mean by "iw"? |
| 19:54.16 | grawity | `iw phyX set netns ...` |
| 19:54.40 | markybob | phre4k: that wont ever get fixed in stable |
| 19:54.57 | phre4k | markybob: it's not even fixed in sid |
| 19:55.28 | markybob | !tell phre4k about reportbug |
| 19:55.40 | phre4k | or unstable |
| 19:55.49 | MeatHammer | grawity: I could not get thay working either inside or outside the namespace, using bash |
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| 19:56.15 | MeatHammer | grawity: believe it was "no such file or directory (-2) |
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| 19:56.33 | jim | MeatHammer, iw is a command, it's in the iw package |
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| 19:56.44 | phre4k | ah, it seems to be already reported, markybob https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=742832 |
| 19:56.45 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/742832 in tinymce (open): «tinymce: Please update to latest upstream release»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-03-27; last modified: 2015-06-02. |
| 19:56.54 | superhit | hi |
| 19:57.01 | markybob | phre4k: great |
| 19:57.04 | phre4k | so supposed I want to fix this, how would I do that? |
| 19:57.18 | jim | superhit, hi |
| 19:57.20 | markybob | phre4k: since it's already reported nothing |
| 19:57.25 | superhit | hi jim |
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| 19:57.50 | phre4k | markybob: the bug affects several other packages and is reported since 2014 |
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| 19:57.57 | phre4k | I doubt the original maintainer will do something atm |
| 19:58.06 | jim | superhit, did you have a debian question? |
| 19:58.07 | markybob | phre4k: i'm sorry. there's nothing you can do if it's already reported |
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| 19:58.49 | phre4k | markybob: writing an eMail to the maintainer? |
| 19:58.58 | superhit | jim yes. but i got an article on net. i will read it first before asking question here. i am having problem with system upgrade |
| 19:59.08 | markybob | phre4k: he got an email when the bug report was submitted. he knows. |
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| 19:59.29 | jim | superhit, oh, ok; take your time |
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| 19:59.42 | superhit | thanks, jim. |
| 19:59.52 | MeatHammer | btw grawity. I finished that script to spook MAC addresses and HOSTNAME on the fly, no rebooting, no login: http://pastebin.com/mrAsM7YW think you found that xhost command so ty! |
| 20:00.02 | markybob | superhit: i have to ask, from what to what? |
| 20:00.07 | phre4k | markybob: okay, then I'll just report that it also affects roundcube and wait a few days for a fix. Can't I somehow submit a newer package? |
| 20:00.21 | markybob | phre4k: no |
| 20:00.29 | Maws | Looking into buying some new hardware soon, and my biggest "quaral" is if I go Nvidia route or AMD route - currently on an older nvidia card, but I'v had a few "issues" on debian with the propriatary drivers (random crashes) it seem......not sure if it all boils down to the card though - but any inputs on newer cards/drivers would be nice :) (I guess what will be most likely to get for me is either a R9 390 or a GTX 970) |
| 20:00.37 | phre4k | markybob: if the whole Debian community has this attitude towards bugs, there's no wonder that there are a lot of outdated (!= stable) packages. |
| 20:00.42 | phre4k | I can't even help |
| 20:00.43 | MeatHammer | hey Maws you get that bootstick working? |
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| 20:01.08 | markybob | phre4k: i'm sorry. i'm just telling you the way it is |
| 20:01.09 | phre4k | Maws: wait for the new AMD cards and look for AMDGPU support |
| 20:01.14 | MeatHammer | Maws: catalyst drivers are not fun |
| 20:01.44 | MeatHammer | maws; if youre not buying the newest thing, go with NVIDIA imho |
| 20:01.49 | Maws | MeatHammer, Got late last night so currently installing it to a usb 2.0 stick (couldn't get it to work last night with the 3.0 stick)....;) ) |
| 20:01.57 | TomTomTosch | phre4k, if you are interested in debian development there is a lot of documentation out there. you would have to read that first, it's not that easy. i recommend the debian administrator's handbook. |
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| 20:02.24 | Maws | phre4k, So when are they gona come around btw ? |
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| 20:02.26 | markybob | saying "it's not easy" is really an understatement. it's hard. |
| 20:03.03 | TomTomTosch | it is, but if they are interested they are free to take a look :3 |
| 20:03.30 | Maws | btw - as I'm going to upgrade the whole system (and can wait for the gfx cards) - but does anyone have any experience on how well the builtin intel gfx in skylake works? (for desktop use)..... |
| 20:03.31 | MeatHammer | grawity: im basically in catch 22 here: i cant get the PID from outside the namespace, and I cant see the hardware from inside the name space (using bash terminal as the process in question) |
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| 20:04.04 | grawity | huh? I don't get it |
| 20:04.11 | grawity | what stops you from doing 'echo $$' inside |
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| 20:05.29 | MeatHammer | argh im just so frustrated and confused. |
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| 20:08.29 | MeatHammer | grawity: ok when I go inside the name space, which is sudo'd, I run "iw phy phy0 set netns 3735" (echo $$ pid) i get the error: "command failed: No such file or directory (-2)" |
| 20:08.43 | grawity | you need to run `iw` outside, though |
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| 20:09.01 | MeatHammer | grawity: on the PID running isnide the namespace? |
| 20:09.12 | MeatHammer | cuz when i try that i get an ioctl error |
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| 20:09.59 | MeatHammer | AH HA! |
| 20:10.09 | MeatHammer | grawity: success, or more accurately, no erro! |
| 20:10.18 | jim | superhit, when you said you're upgrading and having trouble, a few of us got curious about what you're running now... got a minute? |
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| 20:10.36 | MeatHammer | grawity: ok aawesomke it seems to work!! |
| 20:10.57 | MeatHammer | grawity: I ran the iw phy as sudo, from outside the name space and now wlan1 is in there! |
| 20:11.22 | MeatHammer | Problem exists between keyboard and chair, as usual :) |
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| 20:13.59 | busch | How do I set a nameserver in debian 8? I added "dns-nameservers 10.10.10.10" to /etc/network/interfaces but there is still another nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:15.14 | jim | busch, probably need to see that file |
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| 20:16.16 | grawity | AFAIK, dns-nameservers is only read when resolvconf is installed, not by pure ifupdown |
| 20:16.18 | markybob | busch: he means it probably says it's automatically updated by such and such program and will be overwritten |
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| 20:17.08 | phre4k | does Debian have a bug bounty program? |
| 20:17.20 | markybob | phre4k: no |
| 20:17.21 | dontknow | busch, chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf to prevent changes |
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| 20:18.58 | phre4k | Maws: builtin Intel works well, AMD Polaris (new GPU generation) will come out in a few months. |
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| 20:19.39 | phre4k | Maws: I think official release date is "second half of 2016" |
| 20:19.54 | Maws | phre4k, Will the builtin intel stuff run dual monitor (one 30" (2560x1600) + a 17" |
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| 20:22.00 | TomTomTosch | phre4k, you are encouraged to report bugs to the BTS. |
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| 20:26.26 | tako | Hello i'm looking software for downloads |
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| 20:26.44 | tako | like internet download manager |
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| 20:29.07 | CtrlC | Hello lokking software for downloads, I'm dad. |
| 20:29.13 | CtrlC | Sorry I had to. |
| 20:29.14 | hexnewbie | tako: wget, kget, uget, apt-cache search download manager |
| 20:29.28 | CtrlC | Use aria2c |
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| 20:30.13 | hexnewbie | tako: Also iceweasel |
| 20:30.24 | tako | but i want multi-thread support |
| 20:30.32 | CtrlC | That's a browser. |
| 20:31.19 | CtrlC | Many of those mentioned have that. |
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| 20:31.24 | CtrlC | tako |
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| 20:32.08 | tako | okay guys thanks |
| 20:32.13 | hexnewbie | tako: Why? Or to be more precise, what? |
| 20:32.14 | pencilandpaper | Hey, would anyone happen to know the gpg error fix command off hand? |
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| 20:33.01 | jim | CtrlC, software for debian is packaged, and if your machine is set up properly, you can get it with apt-get (among other programs which do the same thing) |
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| 20:33.48 | tripmix | hey |
| 20:33.56 | CtrlC | jim didn't he want a download manager? apt-get is not related. |
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| 20:34.42 | tripmix | js there something like archiso, but for Debian ? |
| 20:34.49 | pencilandpaper | Uget is a nice download manager. |
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| 20:34.56 | hexnewbie | Download manager can mean a lot of things, depending on what tako needs in one. |
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| 20:35.18 | jim | CtrlC, I'm responding to what looks like your request: "<CtrlC> Hello lokking software for downloads" |
| 20:35.35 | tripmix | apt-get is package management |
| 20:35.42 | pencilandpaper | It has a nice gui, and I believe that you can download both direct links as well as torrents with it. |
| 20:35.46 | tripmix | Not download management :P |
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| 20:36.23 | MeatHammer | iceweasel isnt multithreaded |
| 20:36.28 | CtrlC | jim, oh, I was joking with tako. (not funny. I know. :D ) |
| 20:36.32 | MeatHammer | ? |
| 20:36.51 | Kang0 | Anyone uses ssh? |
| 20:36.58 | tripmix | https://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD < Is this the closest to archiso? |
| 20:37.13 | grawity | Kang0: tbh that's literally the worst question you could ask |
| 20:37.22 | grawity | Kang0: do you have problems with ssh, or just trying to set it up? |
| 20:37.25 | tripmix | I'm not saying what services run on my server :P |
| 20:37.26 | jim | Kang0, probably you'd want to ask your real question |
| 20:37.34 | tripmix | It might be ssh it might vnc who knows |
| 20:37.40 | flexoboto | whats ssh ? :D |
| 20:37.42 | Kang0 | Need set up help |
| 20:37.44 | hexnewbie | MeatHammer: "Multi-threaded" sounds like an anti-feature for a download manager, though I am not sure which of the two such possibility it refers to. |
| 20:37.57 | pencilandpaper | Brb. |
| 20:38.11 | Kang0 | I m afraid to ask question in public |
| 20:38.20 | tripmix | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/sect.remote-login.en.html |
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| 20:38.38 | Kang0 | As my query is with android phone ssh software |
| 20:38.39 | MeatHammer | hands Kang0 some Ritalin and a warm drink. |
| 20:38.41 | flexoboto | setup an openssh-server ? |
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| 20:39.30 | Kang0 | It is sshelper and juicessh flexoboto jim grawity tripmix |
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| 20:39.52 | tripmix | I use juicessh |
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| 20:39.57 | phre4k | TomTomTosch: I already did report it :) |
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| 20:40.02 | phre4k | thanks for the help guys |
| 20:40.17 | teraflops | everyone uses juicessh! |
| 20:40.21 | MeatHammer | grawity: Do you think I'm better served using LXC containers than these various namespaces? |
| 20:40.37 | tripmix | 1) do you have ssh-server installed on the machine you want to connect to and 2) do you know the IP address of the machine |
| 20:40.38 | grawity | they also use the same namespaces |
| 20:40.49 | grawity | but setting up lxc might in the end be easier than custom tools |
| 20:40.52 | MeatHammer | grawity: is the config and admin part easier? |
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| 20:40.56 | jim | Kang0, probably most people here mostly know about debian... if you had a question about that, you need not fear |
| 20:40.58 | grawity | I dunno |
| 20:40.58 | MeatHammer | ok cool ill give that a go |
| 20:40.58 | Kang0 | Is it possible to set up server and client on same android phone? |
| 20:40.58 | dan89 | teraflops: i use juicessh too |
| 20:41.29 | Kang0 | As android guys are unable to help |
| 20:41.40 | Kang0 | #ssh is not active too |
| 20:41.45 | TomTomTosch | Kang0, you can use whatever client you want to connect to your ssh server. |
| 20:41.48 | MeatHammer | ssh server on android? I like this guy already. |
| 20:41.56 | teraflops | Kang0: juicessh devel hangs by #archlinux from time to time |
| 20:42.18 | tripmix | uhhh why would you "want" ssh server and client on phone ? |
| 20:42.24 | teraflops | and his nick is juicessh yes :P |
| 20:42.27 | dan89 | Kang0: what do you need ssh server for? |
| 20:42.34 | grawity | tripmix: probably to sftp files into the phone, I guess? |
| 20:42.53 | grawity | and having a client can be really useful for managing servers tbh |
| 20:43.01 | Kang0 | dan89 i just want to learn setup |
| 20:43.19 | Kang0 | tripmix |
| 20:43.35 | dan89 | Kang0: well an ssh server on an android phone will be pretty different than on an actual linux server |
| 20:43.39 | teraflops | ssh server in android since 4.3.3 is a bit difficult but you can set it up, anyways you dont need ssh server in the phone for doing sftp |
| 20:43.49 | TomTomTosch | Kang0, you should read the wiki. it has everything you need to set up a client and server on debian. https://wiki.debian.org/SSH |
| 20:43.57 | Kang0 | grawity yes later on i may transfer files within phone |
| 20:44.55 | dan89 | Kang0: do you have a linux desktop? |
| 20:45.04 | Kang0 | What is use of sftp? teraflops |
| 20:45.46 | Kang0 | I don't have Debian machine TomTomTosch |
| 20:45.52 | teraflops | sftp is like ftp but saner |
| 20:46.01 | Kang0 | No desktop dan89 |
| 20:46.06 | Kang0 | Only phone |
| 20:46.11 | Kang0 | Single |
| 20:46.29 | flexoboto | u want to install an sshd on a phone ? |
| 20:46.55 | Kang0 | What is sshd? flexoboto |
| 20:47.07 | dan89 | sshd = ssh daemon |
| 20:47.24 | dan89 | daemon is another word for server almost |
| 20:47.42 | Kang0 | I have already installed 2 ssh apps. Server(sshelper) and client (juicessh) |
| 20:47.46 | tripmix | well not really the daemon is the thing that tells the service to run |
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| 20:48.02 | tripmix | But for sake of keeping it simple yes almost server :P |
| 20:48.11 | dan89 | (almost) :P |
| 20:48.17 | Kang0 | Ok noted that terminology |
| 20:48.58 | dan89 | good to clarify though, ty |
| 20:49.10 | flexoboto | secure shell daemon.. |
| 20:49.11 | teraflops | Kang0: so your question is not related to debian at all right :P |
| 20:49.27 | hexnewbie | teraflops: Of course, one can only be saner than FTP if they have nothing in common with FTP. Thankfully, SFTP does not. :) |
| 20:49.31 | Kang0 | Yeah teraflops |
| 20:49.53 | dan89 | bless his heart |
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| 20:50.33 | tripmix | Well the good news is, if you're going to learn an ssh system debian is a good starting point so he's not too far out |
| 20:50.42 | dan89 | yeah |
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| 20:51.51 | Kang0 | I can't afford hardware though as of now tripmix |
| 20:52.14 | Kang0 | Please guide about setup |
| 20:52.32 | frogdr | I still can't boot to debian., |
| 20:52.38 | frogdr | I am almost CERTAIN that it is installed. |
| 20:52.40 | tripmix | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/sect.remote-login.en.html |
| 20:52.43 | frogdr | I just can't boot to it. |
| 20:53.00 | tripmix | You using UEFI motherboard? |
| 20:53.06 | frogdr | yeah |
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| 20:53.15 | frogdr | do I need to launch the install USB in UEFI mode? |
| 20:53.34 | frogdr | also my motherboard has BIOS too |
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| 20:53.42 | frogdr | but I just can't boot to debian |
| 20:54.02 | tripmix | Is it a live USB you're installing ? Last I checked that does not work |
| 20:54.37 | frogdr | I put it onto a USB and used graphical installer to install it onto a HDD partition |
| 20:54.57 | frogdr | debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 20:55.11 | frogdr | markybob: jim: debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
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| 20:56.19 | MeatHammer | frogdr: you cant boot from a USB 3.0 port |
| 20:56.22 | MeatHammer | (usually) |
| 20:56.25 | tripmix | Well thats not a live iso |
| 20:56.27 | tripmix | https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI#Troubleshooting |
| 20:56.31 | frogdr | i don't think it's a usb 3.0 port |
| 20:56.34 | frogdr | pretty sure it's 2.0 |
| 20:56.34 | tripmix | Read / tried these ? |
| 20:56.36 | frogdr | it's not blue |
| 20:56.37 | MeatHammer | kk |
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| 20:56.56 | MeatHammer | frogdr: does your bios have a boot menu option during the POST screen? |
| 20:57.19 | frogdr | I press F11 and then ESC and I can select what to boot from |
| 20:57.32 | MeatHammer | ok and when you go to that the USB is listed? |
| 20:57.36 | frogdr | It is |
| 20:57.56 | frogdr | It's listed under UEFI and Legacy |
| 20:57.59 | frogdr | I can boot from either one |
| 20:58.04 | MeatHammer | sorry im confused, you installed debian from the USB to the HDD, and that worked, but now you cant boot the HDD? |
| 20:58.07 | MeatHammer | ok |
| 20:58.12 | frogdr | correct |
| 20:58.22 | frogdr | let me send you a picture |
| 20:58.26 | MeatHammer | .. or the USB, anymore, despite have installed it |
| 20:58.31 | MeatHammer | ? |
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| 20:58.57 | Maws | MeatHammer: I think he have installed debian from the USB but can't boot the new system........:) |
| 20:59.19 | frogdr | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HobwMQOG/irccloudcapture-1308806265.jpg |
| 20:59.19 | MeatHammer | Maws: lol ya, it can be tricky |
| 20:59.27 | Kang0 | (Kang0) Ok i established connection thank you all |
| 20:59.32 | tripmix | 100% sure you installed it to the HDD not the USN |
| 20:59.35 | frogdr | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/PVOlUOy4/irccloudcapture-1232223074.jpg |
| 20:59.45 | Maws | MeatHammer, haha. yea sometime at least lol.... |
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| 20:59.56 | MeatHammer | frogdr: ok so when you pick F9, whats listed? |
| 21:00.18 | tripmix | *USB |
| 21:00.20 | frogdr | MeatHammer: see 2nd image |
| 21:00.29 | frogdr | I'm trying to boot from "RAID READY" |
| 21:00.49 | MeatHammer | frogdr: NO! |
| 21:00.54 | tripmix | uhhhhhh |
| 21:00.58 | teraflops | taking photos of a screen is a complicated art |
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| 21:01.02 | MeatHammer | lol |
| 21:01.02 | tripmix | Raid wont work here |
| 21:01.08 | frogdr | teraflops: what do you want me to do |
| 21:01.13 | frogdr | take a screenshot |
| 21:01.16 | frogdr | from the boot screen |
| 21:01.18 | frogdr | which is impossible |
| 21:01.30 | teraflops | frogdr: nothing Im just pointing the fact |
| 21:01.46 | mystica555_ | frogdr: on the contrary, we wanted you to pick up the monitor and place it on a xerox machine, getting a black and white reproduction, then fax that to us. |
| 21:01.59 | frogdr | lol |
| 21:02.07 | MeatHammer | frogdr: gonna ask the obvious question here: what happens when u pick debian from eufi? |
| 21:02.15 | frogdr | MeatHammer: oh that's an old install |
| 21:02.16 | teraflops | frogdr: actually your photo is not bad Ive seen worsts |
| 21:02.24 | MeatHammer | wth |
| 21:02.25 | frogdr | MeatHammer: i deleted it, it just goes into grub rescue |
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| 21:02.31 | MeatHammer | ooook |
| 21:02.56 | tripmix | Wow dude I want to help but you butchered this install |
| 21:03.00 | MeatHammer | lol |
| 21:03.03 | frogdr | ?? |
| 21:03.16 | tripmix | You deleted debian ? |
| 21:03.27 | frogdr | no I deleted the partition that held an old install |
| 21:03.34 | MeatHammer | frogdr: i think your best bet is to reboot off the USB install stick and try the repair options or do a fresh install. your bios looks competent |
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| 21:03.47 | frogdr | MeatHammer: i did a fresh install 3 times |
| 21:03.52 | frogdr | the problem is that i can't boot into it |
| 21:03.56 | MeatHammer | frogdr: welcome to linux |
| 21:03.57 | frogdr | and i don't know what the problem is |
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| 21:04.13 | MeatHammer | frogdr: did you write the boot record to the right device? |
| 21:04.18 | Maws | frogdr, do you get anything at all ? (black screen/blinking cursor or what ?) |
| 21:04.23 | frogdr | yes, MeatHammer |
| 21:04.30 | frogdr | Maws: when I boot from raid ready? |
| 21:04.40 | frogdr | or when I select "debian"? |
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| 21:04.47 | MeatHammer | frogdr: cuz your bios seems to have detected just about every possible booting option there. |
| 21:04.53 | frogdr | here i'll get a picture of when i select debian |
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| 21:05.00 | Maws | frogdr, when you boot from the disk you installed Debian to ? |
| 21:05.02 | mystica555_ | https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI < i followed this; worked on a supermicro x10 series board fine |
| 21:05.12 | mystica555_ | boot installer in uefi mode it understands wtfs up |
| 21:05.25 | tripmix | I'd really like to know what he did |
| 21:05.32 | teraflops | MeatHammer: it's uefi how is that related to the master boot record? |
| 21:05.35 | MeatHammer | del *.* |
| 21:05.36 | tripmix | or she did for that matter whatever |
| 21:05.42 | mystica555_ | MeatHammer: deltree! |
| 21:05.48 | frogdr | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9XRCkV41/irccloudcapture948528072.jpg |
| 21:06.03 | tripmix | thats what I don't get teraflops |
| 21:06.03 | mystica555_ | well at least it seems grub knows uefi |
| 21:06.09 | MeatHammer | teraflops: sorry i thought he installed from USB to HDD, its possible he wrote the grub to wrong part of the loader? |
| 21:06.17 | mystica555_ | so perhaps its an old grub uefi install/config for your old debian stuck in the system partition? |
| 21:06.31 | tripmix | update-grub |
| 21:06.33 | tripmix | ?? |
| 21:06.36 | Maws | Just for the record - I installed Debian to a usb stick 3 times last night to no avail........still working on it.....lol.....;) (3 times it nothing ;) ) |
| 21:06.37 | MeatHammer | teraflops: so like the one thagt belongs on his HD got copied to the USB or vice versa...? |
| 21:06.40 | tripmix | I'm just guessing now for the record |
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| 21:06.54 | frogdr | No the partiyion on therebwas deleted |
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| 21:07.06 | frogdr | No the partiyion on therebwas deleted |
| 21:07.07 | tripmix | If you deleted a partition that grub old install wont find the partition so return null and plop you there |
| 21:07.12 | tripmix | right? |
| 21:07.13 | MeatHammer | ^^ |
| 21:07.24 | frogdr | Sorry that was my lagphone |
| 21:07.30 | frogdr | on my windows install now |
| 21:07.44 | frogdr | Mhm, but that grub is from an old install |
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| 21:07.48 | frogdr | AND on a different drive from this new install |
| 21:07.49 | teraflops | what I cannot understand is if he did 3 times before how is possible not being able to boot a debian iso from a usb stick |
| 21:07.53 | frogdr | the new install is on a separate HDD |
| 21:07.56 | tripmix | try update-grub and reboot ? |
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| 21:08.11 | MeatHammer | teraflops: oh no maws and frogdr are different ppl lol |
| 21:08.12 | frogdr | tripmix: What does that grub have anything to do with this |
| 21:08.18 | teraflops | heh |
| 21:08.29 | mystica555_ | frogdr: everything at this point, because it seems to have been installed not right |
| 21:08.31 | tripmix | What does grub do ? |
| 21:08.33 | mystica555_ | or configured not right |
| 21:08.38 | tripmix | think about it |
| 21:08.41 | Maws | MeatHammer, haha, sure is........lol |
| 21:08.44 | frogdr | ok but it's on a DIFFERENT DRIVE |
| 21:08.47 | frogdr | I have 2 grubs installed |
| 21:08.52 | MeatHammer | but the USB thing is usually that either the boot loader is in the worng place, got overwrote, or /boot is in the wrong place, I figures. ive done this USB thing many many times in lubuntu |
| 21:08.56 | frogdr | one on the C drive, which has the deleted debian partition |
| 21:09.04 | frogdr | and another on the L drive, which has the new install which will not boot |
| 21:09.06 | mystica555_ | then youre booting the wrong one, and your disk order changes inside the os to not match the bios disk order which was changed to boot grub |
| 21:09.10 | teraflops | frogdr: then tell your efi fw to boot the right drive |
| 21:09.11 | frogdr | the L drive is the Hitachi HDD |
| 21:09.22 | tripmix | Did you tell grub about the changes? |
| 21:09.24 | MeatHammer | what mystica555_ |
| 21:09.24 | MeatHammer | said |
| 21:09.27 | teraflops | frogdr: as in boot order ... |
| 21:09.28 | frogdr | which, again, has the debian install and is supposed to have grub |
| 21:09.32 | frogdr | teraflops: what? |
| 21:09.34 | tripmix | If not how can you expect the bootloader to know where to look ??? |
| 21:09.38 | frogdr | tripmix: there's 2 grubs though |
| 21:09.38 | teraflops | frogdr: that! |
| 21:09.41 | frogdr | I'm not booting to the C drive |
| 21:09.48 | Maws | MeatHammer, I'l get back to you once this usb 2.0 stick finish install (it blo*** he*** takes some time compared to the 3.0 stick....;) ) |
| 21:09.48 | MeatHammer | 2 not > 1 |
| 21:09.50 | frogdr | I want to boot to the L drive which has no boot option |
| 21:10.08 | frogdr | the bootloader on the C drive should not matter |
| 21:10.15 | frogdr | because that is not where debian is installed |
| 21:10.23 | frogdr | it's an old install, which the partition was deleted |
| 21:10.26 | tripmix | ...tell grub that |
| 21:10.27 | teraflops | frogdr: then you installed grub badly or in the wrong drive ? |
| 21:10.34 | MeatHammer | Maws: ya it is, but once you get it working its amazing |
| 21:10.38 | frogdr | I installed grub on the L drive with the new install |
| 21:10.48 | frogdr | so now there's 2 bootloaders |
| 21:10.54 | MeatHammer | Maws: carry a 128gb computer in your match pocket, nah mean. |
| 21:10.56 | mystica555_ | frogdr: multi-booting oses by swapping the disk order in bios is a bad thing.. there will be multiple system partitions, perhaps even multiple /boot partitions remnants, and grub gets confused |
| 21:10.59 | frogdr | well, 4 if you count windows bootloaders |
| 21:10.59 | teraflops | frogdr: then it's magic since it does not boot |
| 21:11.13 | frogdr | mystica555_: ...oh |
| 21:11.17 | frogdr | that's a bad idea? |
| 21:11.23 | frogdr | that was my plan the entire time |
| 21:11.31 | frogdr | just choose boot device when i want to switch to debian |
| 21:11.33 | MeatHammer | frogdr: can you boot the USB install stick currently? |
| 21:11.35 | mystica555_ | 1 grub; 1 /boot directory; grub then chainloads windows |
| 21:11.37 | frogdr | MeatHammer: Yes |
| 21:11.40 | frogdr | It launches the Debian install |
| 21:11.44 | Maws | MeatHammer, hehe, true, and not "locked down" by the sys admins at work.......it's sp locked down I can't even change the wallpaper........lol |
| 21:11.55 | frogdr | MeatHammer: well |
| 21:11.56 | MeatHammer | frogdr: ok so redo your install, DO NOT PICK AUTO, and do your creenshot thing |
| 21:11.58 | frogdr | the debian installER |
| 21:12.08 | frogdr | what do you mean do not pick auto? |
| 21:12.09 | MeatHammer | frogdr: basically use the USB install to clean up your partitions |
| 21:12.14 | teraflops | MeatHammer: heh |
| 21:12.16 | MeatHammer | frogdr: dont delete windows |
| 21:12.20 | MeatHammer | or do actually |
| 21:12.21 | frogdr | I never did? |
| 21:12.23 | frogdr | WHAT?! |
| 21:12.26 | MeatHammer | lol |
| 21:12.29 | MeatHammer | joke |
| 21:12.36 | MeatHammer | DONT DELETE WINDOWS |
| 21:12.39 | frogdr | ok |
| 21:12.41 | tripmix | yeah please dont delete sys32 |
| 21:12.42 | frogdr | lemme go into the installer |
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| 21:12.46 | MeatHammer | but youre gonna have to fix all your crap |
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| 21:13.11 | MeatHammer | frogdr: alternately make have a USB rpair stick, or use the repair options on the live install CD/USB |
| 21:13.49 | tripmix | I forget, for a dual boot win idea do you make the partitions in a disk management on windows or the installer ? |
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| 21:14.08 | MeatHammer | frogdr: before we start, lets be clear: you have windows, a working linux install, a broken linux install, all on one physical disk, then u have a USB live install stick of debian 8? |
| 21:14.22 | tripmix | Yes lets start over |
| 21:14.24 | tripmix | :P |
| 21:14.28 | frogdr | no |
| 21:14.53 | MeatHammer | Please someone stop me with better advice anytime. |
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| 21:15.47 | frogdr | Let's break this down |
| 21:15.55 | MeatHammer | ONETIME! |
| 21:16.06 | frogdr | I have 2 drives: An SSD (C drive) and an HDD (L drive) |
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| 21:16.15 | MeatHammer | nice setup |
| 21:16.20 | frogdr | The SSD houses the broken linux install and the old grub, and my windows installation |
| 21:16.31 | frogdr | The HDD houses the new linux installation which I cannot boot to |
| 21:16.39 | frogdr | the PNY usb houses the Debian installer |
| 21:16.45 | MeatHammer | frogdr: ok cool |
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| 21:17.04 | MeatHammer | frogdr: which linux install are you trying to fix or save? |
| 21:17.15 | frogdr | I'm just trying to be able to boot to the new linux install |
| 21:17.25 | frogdr | Jesus fucking christ IRCcloud is laggy |
| 21:17.31 | frogdr | excuse my french |
| 21:17.33 | MeatHammer | ok. and currently windows works and is the default bootloader or whatever? |
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| 21:18.12 | frogdr | MeatHammer: That's correct. |
| 21:18.29 | frogdr | I'll now send a picture of my boot menu |
| 21:18.54 | MeatHammer | frogdr: ok so I'm guessing the grub repair that comes up is from the broken partition "debian" in your bios boot list? |
| 21:19.11 | frogdr | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5HCr55HV/irccloudcapture1967413852.jpg |
| 21:19.20 | frogdr | MeatHammer: That is correct |
| 21:19.32 | frogdr | I've been using "PNY USB 2.0" under Legacy to install Debian |
| 21:19.47 | MeatHammer | frogdr: ok and windows has remained working throughout this entire process? |
| 21:19.53 | frogdr | It has. |
| 21:20.02 | MeatHammer | it sounds like you did not update your MBR during the install |
| 21:20.16 | frogdr | Do I have to install again? |
| 21:20.28 | MeatHammer | cuz you should have a working grub that points to windows, and your broken install likely... |
| 21:20.28 | frogdr | brb drinking bleach |
| 21:20.52 | frogdr | MeatHammer: No |
| 21:20.58 | frogdr | My windows loads from the windows bootloader |
| 21:21.31 | MeatHammer | right. but windows is not gonna ask you if you wanna boot that other HDD |
| 21:21.39 | hexnewbie | Chances are, the motherboard wouldn't even try to boot from the MBR. |
| 21:21.46 | MeatHammer | and your bios is pointing to the wrong one i feel like? |
| 21:21.49 | frogdr | MeatHammer: It's not |
| 21:21.52 | frogdr | windows is not |
| 21:21.57 | frogdr | asking me to boot to another hdd |
| 21:22.01 | MeatHammer | right |
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| 21:22.10 | hexnewbie | MeatHammer: From the screenshot, it appears that frogdr doesn't have a BIOS. |
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| 21:22.16 | MeatHammer | ok so whats the option that is HUA3945394590 whatever? is that the model of your HDD? |
| 21:22.19 | frogdr | Oh I think I do |
| 21:22.27 | frogdr | MeatHammer: Must be. |
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| 21:22.44 | MeatHammer | frogdr: and what happens when you pick that? |
| 21:22.53 | frogdr | It boots to the USB |
| 21:23.05 | MeatHammer | frogdr: ... |
| 21:23.06 | frogdr | but want to see what happens when I remove the usb? |
| 21:23.14 | MeatHammer | youre not picking any of the PNY ones right? |
| 21:23.19 | MeatHammer | yeah do that |
| 21:23.25 | MeatHammer | remove and reboot same menu |
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| 21:23.50 | ZitZ | hi folks, how can i use the route command to delete specifically the first route in the table? |
| 21:23.52 | tripmix | did you write grub to the mbr ? |
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| 21:24.13 | tripmix | or try some other esoteric weird thing :P |
| 21:24.31 | hexnewbie | frogdr: Does "debian" boot the old grub on the SSD drive? |
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| 21:24.38 | MeatHammer | tripmix: this guy needs a stick with gparted on it |
| 21:25.02 | tripmix | gparted is cool |
| 21:25.08 | hexnewbie | frogdr: Did you forget to create an EFI system partition during the installation? |
| 21:25.40 | frogdr | ...oh shit |
| 21:25.44 | frogdr | my computer won't start up |
| 21:25.46 | frostschutz | ZitZ, strange request ... maybe: ip route del $(ip route | head -n 1) ? (bye bye) |
| 21:25.51 | frogdr | i can't force shutdown either |
| 21:25.59 | frogdr | it turns on but there's no video out |
| 21:26.05 | frogdr | when i press power button nothing happens |
| 21:26.11 | frogdr | when I hold it nothing happens either |
| 21:26.26 | tripmix | You're computer has aids |
| 21:26.33 | tripmix | *you |
| 21:26.37 | tripmix | *your |
| 21:26.41 | Maws | frogdr, then I guess the next logical thing would be to pull the plug ?...... |
| 21:26.43 | ZitZ | frostschutz: Yeah, i'm running openvpn and now i can't get to that machine from the LAN, and i'm pretty sure the first route is at fault. But i'm having trouble with the syntax. |
| 21:26.45 | hexnewbie | frogdr: Hold the power button for a few seconds (may need more if it's a laptop) |
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| 21:27.00 | hexnewbie | frogdr: If that doesn't work, pull power cord or take out battery. |
| 21:27.14 | frogdr | i took out the battery |
| 21:27.16 | frogdr | it's still on |
| 21:27.20 | frogdr | now it's shaking |
| 21:27.28 | frogdr | jkjk |
| 21:27.30 | MeatHammer | is this a prank show? |
| 21:27.37 | frogdr | it's a prank bro |
| 21:27.40 | Maws | MeatHammer, Probably is.... |
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| 21:28.27 | ZitZ | frostschutz: your command did what i wanted, but my theory was wrong :) |
| 21:28.32 | frogdr | but it won't do a video output |
| 21:28.50 | MeatHammer | wth |
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| 21:29.11 | MeatHammer | frogdr: ok. hold down power for 10 seconds, then release. turn it off basically. |
| 21:29.14 | frogdr | my motherboard only boots when the flash drive i plugged in |
| 21:29.17 | MeatHammer | now wth are your bios keys? |
| 21:29.19 | frogdr | is* |
| 21:29.37 | MeatHammer | did we not just establish that windows ran fine throughout this whole thing? |
| 21:29.45 | frogdr | it di drun fine |
| 21:29.50 | frogdr | did run* |
| 21:30.50 | MeatHammer | all right. is the machine off off now? |
| 21:30.59 | pekhee | frogdr, I have same problem |
| 21:31.08 | frogdr | it is off off |
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| 21:31.12 | pekhee | Could you solve it? |
| 21:31.29 | MeatHammer | ok great. so turn it back on and get that blue bios boot menu back up. do not plug in th eusb sticks. |
| 21:31.30 | frogdr | I can't solve it. My motherboard only boots when the flash drive is plugged in. |
| 21:31.40 | tripmix | wtf |
| 21:31.47 | MeatHammer | frogdr: that makes zero sense |
| 21:31.50 | frogdr | I'm not even joking right now |
| 21:32.01 | frogdr | that is the ONLY way my computer starts up and outputs video |
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| 21:32.17 | hexnewbie | frogdr: Did you try enough times to be sure? |
| 21:32.22 | frogdr | yes |
| 21:32.36 | hexnewbie | frogdr: Like 10, otherwise it's not statistically significant. |
| 21:32.39 | frogdr | is it overheating? |
| 21:32.43 | MeatHammer | frogdr: is your phone or anything else plugged into USB? |
| 21:32.54 | frogdr | MeatHammer: mouse, keyboard, pen drive |
| 21:33.00 | frogdr | that is all the usb devices |
| 21:35.16 | MeatHammer | Well... weve tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas, man. |
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| 21:35.16 | frogdr | IT WORKS |
| 21:35.16 | frogdr | ok |
| 21:35.16 | frogdr | booting from the hard drive |
| 21:35.16 | MeatHammer | lol wtf |
| 21:35.16 | frogdr | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Rs5GuiHC/irccloudcapture49939348.jpg |
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| 21:35.16 | frogdr | ...Could it be a failing hard drive? |
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| 22:59.38 | squarecircle | hello, |
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| 23:00.10 | squarecircle | I'm running Debian Jessie with Gnome and want to pair my bluetooth headset |
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| 23:00.45 | squarecircle | its neither working with bluetooth gui nor via bluetothctl |
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| 23:01.24 | squarecircle | the gui disconnects instantaniously and sets back the switch |
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| 23:01.42 | squarecircle | bluetoothctl allows me to pair, but does not connect |
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| 23:02.46 | squarecircle | I'm very open to new Ideas how to fix that problem ;) |
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| 23:07.14 | squarecircle | any Idea? |
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| 23:13.43 | rocketmagnet | hey all, how do i see what kind of mainboard i need for example the nv gtx back edition ? |
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| 23:27.21 | p0rt_ | hey |
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| 23:27.39 | p0rt_ | What is -bash process? |
| 23:27.46 | p0rt_ | Never seen it |
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| 23:28.56 | themill | p0rt_: your login shell |
| 23:29.34 | p0rt_ | themill: shouldn't it be bash? |
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| 23:29.45 | p0rt_ | Not -bash? |
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| 23:29.57 | themill | no, the - signifies that it is a login shell |
| 23:30.19 | p0rt_ | themill: ok, thanks |
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| 23:31.54 | squarecircle | any idea how to fix my bluetooth? |
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| 23:33.28 | blind | squarecircle: yes, you're missing a package.. darn i can't remember which one. hang on lemme boot up my laptop |
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| 23:35.45 | squarecircle | blind: ok |
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| 23:39.30 | blind | heh sorry, gonna be a couple minutes.. it's a dualboot and an update overwrote my boot manager, sigh. |
| 23:39.30 | blind | run a journalctl -xf and try to pair, you should get some clue as to what's wrong in there. |
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| 23:40.10 | squarecircle | blind: ok I'll try |
| 23:40.36 | squarecircle | "No journal files were found." ? |
| 23:40.52 | blind | run it with sudo |
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| 23:43.25 | squarecircle | blind: Feb 28 00:42:05 Reynolds bluetoothd[30984]: a2dp-sink profile connect failed for 34:DF:2A:0D:26:8F: Protocol not available |
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| 23:45.04 | blind | ah do you have 'pulseaudio-module-bluetooth' ? |
| 23:45.26 | squarecircle | now |
| 23:45.34 | squarecircle | I have to restart pulse, right? |
| 23:46.02 | blind | Not sure, probably. Can't hurt. |
| 23:46.10 | squarecircle | how do I do it? |
| 23:46.45 | squarecircle | oh I'm stupid |
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| 23:47.37 | squarecircle | blind: ok, I'm confused |
| 23:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confuse squarecircle |
| 23:48.05 | dpkg | Yes, those was your gouda today, squarecircle? Wellies of the Monarchy of Tibet with extra ham. |
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| 23:54.05 | blind | Meh freenode does not like me right now.. What did I miss |
| 23:54.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | nuffn |
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| 23:55.05 | teraflops | blind: a bit ago it felt like the whole internet fell down, so maybe it's not your fault |
| 23:55.17 | dvs | blind: Elvis |
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| 23:55.29 | teraflops | or the anunakis .. |
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| 23:57.42 | Maws | What log do I need yo look at after a total "crash"? (I sometimes experience a complete system crash where the remote usb keyboard/mouse receiver just start blinking, and can't get into console or anything).......is there a log file that might tell what actually is the reason for the crash = |
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| 23:58.04 | squarecircle | blind: I was confused |
| 23:58.11 | squarecircle | blind: ok, now its connecting |
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| 23:58.27 | squarecircle | but not showing up in the sound settings and playing no music |
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