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| 00:00.11 | teraflops | squarecircle: are you using pulseaudio? |
| 00:01.04 | ChoppedDill | can i unpack firmware packaged as deb and use it on non-dpkg distros ? |
| 00:01.13 | squarecircle | I thinks so I did not change sound stuff (netinst) |
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| 00:01.28 | teraflops | if yes `pactl list sinks` |
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| 00:02.30 | teraflops | if a bluez_sink is there you can use pactl or pavucontrol to select the sink |
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| 00:03.00 | Maws | Anyone know if it's at all possible to "passthru" scsi devices for any type of windows virtualization ? (thinking of possibility of using old high end scsi photo scanner) |
| 00:03.25 | squarecircle | teraflops: theres only sink0 |
| 00:03.43 | teraflops | squarecircle: pactl is like this https://ptpb.pw/eS2K.png |
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| 00:04.23 | teraflops | no bluez one? |
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| 00:04.56 | blind | I don't remember needing to do that... just load the bluetooth module. |
| 00:05.39 | blind | Or something... It's been a while since I did it on my laptop, I had the same issue - it would connect and immediately disconnect. |
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| 00:05.46 | squarecircle | teraflops: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15223586/ |
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| 00:06.44 | squarecircle | blind: ok |
| 00:07.29 | AlexLikeRock | Any one recomienda a app to loguin from android to debian |
| 00:07.35 | blind | yeah my output looks similar: http://termbin.com/m8e8 |
| 00:07.51 | blind | AlexLikeRock: what exactly do you want to do? |
| 00:07.52 | teraflops | squarecircle: and `systemctl status bluetooth.service` ? |
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| 00:08.15 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: define "login" :P |
| 00:08.36 | AlexLikeRock | Hijo de la ... Teraflops |
| 00:08.42 | teraflops | lel |
| 00:08.48 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: ssh? |
| 00:09.04 | AlexLikeRock | Blind yeah ssh |
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| 00:09.16 | AlexLikeRock | And use as terminal |
| 00:09.23 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: or you want remote login to your DE? |
| 00:09.31 | blind | an Android SSH client? Would be better off in #Android but JuiceSSH is what I use. |
| 00:09.43 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: for ssh I like jiucessh |
| 00:09.46 | teraflops | juicessh* |
| 00:09.46 | AlexLikeRock | Both |
| 00:09.59 | Maws | AlexLikeRock, : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sonelli.juicessh&hl=en |
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| 00:10.10 | teraflops | i think there are vnc clients for debian |
| 00:10.11 | AlexLikeRock | Tanks maws |
| 00:10.20 | teraflops | for android* |
| 00:10.22 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 00:10.46 | squarecircle | http://paste.ubuntu.com/15223647/ |
| 00:10.54 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: you thank him, but not me... malo eres maaalo |
| 00:10.59 | Maws | Juicessh is great!, and a life saver....lol....:) |
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| 00:11.59 | AlexLikeRock | Tera dont cry |
| 00:12.02 | teraflops | squarecircle: it does not look like a bt headset or similar |
| 00:12.06 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: lel |
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| 00:13.01 | teraflops | squarecircle: do you have pulseaudio-module-bluetooth installed? |
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| 00:14.24 | squarecircle | teraflops: yes |
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| 00:14.56 | squarecircle | teraflops: blind it connects now, but its not showing up in my audio settings |
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| 00:15.37 | teraflops | squarecircle: how did you pair and connect the device? |
| 00:15.42 | squarecircle | via gui |
| 00:15.59 | teraflops | be more specific please :P |
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| 00:16.16 | teraflops | squarecircle: are you in debian jessie? |
| 00:16.25 | squarecircle | teraflops: yes |
| 00:16.44 | teraflops | if yes try bluetoothctl instead that "gui" thingy |
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| 00:16.59 | squarecircle | ok |
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| 00:17.49 | teraflops | they added recently a bluetoothctl entry in the wiki |
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| 00:18.52 | teraflops | squarecircle: https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 00:20.17 | teraflops | https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser#Using_bluetoothctl |
| 00:20.50 | squarecircle | teraflops: ok |
| 00:20.54 | squarecircle | does not work :/ |
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| 00:21.05 | squarecircle | teraflops: I switched off the gui |
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| 00:21.11 | squarecircle | teraflops: got on cli |
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| 00:21.42 | squarecircle | teraflops: started bluetooth and tried power on on the bluetoothctl shell: No default controller available |
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| 00:22.04 | teraflops | squarecircle: tried as root? bluetoothctl |
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| 00:22.14 | squarecircle | teraflops: |
| 00:22.19 | squarecircle | oops: yes |
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| 00:22.47 | furrywolf | I'm having installation issues with a debian derivative. Everyone in its channel seems to be afk. Would it be appropriate to ask generic d-i questions here |
| 00:22.48 | furrywolf | ? |
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| 00:23.20 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.28 | squarecircle | furrywolf: you can try if its too specific, you get hinted where to ask |
| 00:23.43 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: you are a virus :P |
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| 00:24.00 | jmcnaught | furrywolf: only Debian is supported here, you can try being patient in th appropriate channel, or simply use Debian |
| 00:24.02 | AlexLikeRock | Yes i am |
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| 00:25.04 | teraflops | squarecircle: be sure bluetooth.service is running, also stop whatever gui is that youre talking about |
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| 00:25.55 | furrywolf | jmcnaught: as soon as you simply don't make certain decisions I disagree with, I'll go back to using debian... as it is I'm now migrating all my boxes away from vanilla debian. |
| 00:25.57 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: heh you know I love you right? not carnal love you know, just like a compadre :P |
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| 00:26.33 | jmcnaught | furrywolf: that's fine, but this channel is only for Debian support, not derivatives. |
| 00:26.36 | teraflops | this is getting weird, i shut myself now |
| 00:26.44 | squarecircle | teraflops: its in the settings menu of gnome |
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| 00:26.54 | teraflops | squarecircle: ah, ok |
| 00:27.01 | squarecircle | teraflops: I have no clue how to shutdown my gnome |
| 00:27.09 | teraflops | squarecircle: no no, it's ok |
| 00:27.13 | furrywolf | I'm hitting a dependency issue during the installation process. If I chroot to /target I can install the package manually, but if I repeat the install the base system step, the package isn't installed again. How do I manually install a package during the installation process such that it actually works and stays installed? |
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| 00:27.59 | teraflops | squarecircle: just try to remove the device (the headset) from the gnome bt gui |
| 00:28.04 | jmcnaught | furrywolf: it's not just a respect thing, it's also a "we don't know what's different about your derivative and might give you incorrect information" thing |
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| 00:28.34 | squarecircle | teraflops: did |
| 00:28.44 | Brigo | !based on debian |
| 00:28.44 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 00:29.01 | furrywolf | I've been using debian since my 486dx33... rather annoyed I'm having to find replacements for it. But that's an argument I'm not in the mood for today. |
| 00:29.26 | squarecircle | furrywolf: why are you even migrating away? |
| 00:29.41 | teraflops | squarecircle: then if the bluetooth.service is runnig you'd to be able of doing sudo bluetoothctl |
| 00:29.45 | Brigo | let me guess: systemd? |
| 00:29.56 | furrywolf | Good guess. :) |
| 00:30.34 | squarecircle | teraflops: Active: active (running) since So 2016-02-28 01:18:48 CET; 10min ago |
| 00:30.54 | squarecircle | teraflops: but: [bluetooth]# power on |
| 00:30.54 | squarecircle | No default controller available |
| 00:31.01 | furrywolf | this should be a pretty generic debian question, however... how do I manually install a package during the installation process? |
| 00:31.30 | jmcnaught | furrywolf: you can still use sysvinit with Debian Stable, or just learn systemd it's not that hard and has a lot of great features. But if you're not using Debian, please don't come to #debian for support |
| 00:31.59 | teraflops | grab the package put in a usb stick or grab it with curl/wget and install it by hand |
| 00:32.23 | teraflops | also what jmcnaught says |
| 00:32.36 | furrywolf | teraflops: I tried that, but when I repeat the "install the base system" step, it's gone again... |
| 00:32.44 | furrywolf | yeah, I figured. that's why I asked before asking. :) |
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| 00:33.54 | Brigo | i think he finally got the message :) |
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| 00:34.16 | Brigo | i'am off, bye people :) |
| 00:34.22 | teraflops | Brigo: o/ |
| 00:34.29 | squarecircle | Brigo: \o |
| 00:34.46 | squarecircle | teraflops: have to be afk for some minutes |
| 00:34.58 | squarecircle | teraflops: I try the wiki a2dp thread |
| 00:35.11 | teraflops | squarecircle: weird issue |
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| 00:38.53 | AlexLikeRock | Brigo o/ |
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| 00:40.03 | AlexLikeRock | Teraflops |
| 00:40.15 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: roger! |
| 00:40.23 | AlexLikeRock | Kiero tocar MPlayer |
| 00:40.28 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: hey come to birras |
| 00:40.33 | AlexLikeRock | Pero no lo reproduce remotamente |
| 00:40.34 | teraflops | ill help you there |
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| 00:41.16 | nadu | hi |
| 00:41.52 | nadu | how can I tell apt to only install one specific packages and nothing else from a repository? |
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| 00:42.38 | TomTomTosch | nadu, you don't want the dependencies to be installed? |
| 00:43.29 | nadu | I want the dependencies installed but not other packages overwritten |
| 00:43.44 | AlexLikeRock | Ya pude |
| 00:43.59 | jmcnaught | nadu: what is the repository? is it a third-party one, or are you trying to install something from testing or unstable? |
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| 00:44.36 | AlexLikeRock | Nadu, download as ".deb" |
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| 00:46.07 | nadu | I'm figuring out how to best install something from a third party repo. If I pin all packages from the repo to 50 and a specific packages A to 100, it will only install A from that repo but not anything else |
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| 00:47.20 | nadu | but what if A has dependencies? will it skip A as well? |
| 00:48.12 | zykotick9 | nadu: <sidenote only> someone in #d once said, something along the lines of "those that understand pinning, know not to use it..." |
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| 00:51.16 | jmcnaught | i agree to be wary of pinning, nadu you might want to review the coverage of pinning in the debian reference: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_tips_for_the_package_management |
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| 00:56.15 | Delf | Can I shrink second partition and create swap partition while the OS is running on the first partition? |
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| 00:57.22 | TomTomTosch | Delf, what fs does that second partition have? |
| 00:58.06 | Delf | TomTomTosch: btrfs |
| 00:58.29 | nadu | jmcnaught: this site only warns me not to use apt-pinning and says that I have to ensure compatibility of packages myself when using mixed sources :) |
| 00:59.26 | Delf | And also while there's programs running off the second partition. Stuff being read and written. Not having to unmount. |
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| 01:00.10 | TomTomTosch | Delf, no. and btrfs is somewhat of a different deal. not sure about that. |
| 01:00.27 | jmcnaught | nadu: the software you're trying to install is not available in Debian? |
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| 01:01.06 | Delf | TomTomTosch: It's possible to shrink the fs without having to unmount. It's the repartitioning part I don't know about |
| 01:01.13 | jmcnaught | Delf: shrinking ext4fs needs to be done while the filesystem is offline, it is probably the same for btrfs. You can use a swap file instead of a partition though |
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| 01:03.08 | jmcnaught | Delf: oh, it seems that btrfs's online resizer does handle online shrinking. i'd still be careful, make sure your backups can be restored before doing it |
| 01:03.44 | Delf | jmcnaught: You do not want to make a swapfile on btrfs |
| 01:04.13 | TomTomTosch | has to read more into btrfs |
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| 01:06.35 | jmcnaught | Delf: no probably not, but you might have other filesystems too. i'm too chicken to play with btrfs outside of a sandbox ;) |
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| 01:13.38 | AlexLikeRock | Ok. Now |
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| 01:13.56 | AlexLikeRock | Need view my DE at my android |
| 01:14.08 | AlexLikeRock | Like vnc, but by SSH |
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| 01:14.45 | rabbitear | AlexLikeRock: 'connectbot' 'juice ssh' |
| 01:14.52 | rabbitear | AlexLikeRock: for some leads |
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| 01:15.16 | Delf | jmcnaught: Unfortunately the other filesystem I have is no good for swap file either, otherwise it would've been an option. I've been using btrfs for a few years now, haven't had any problems at all :D |
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| 01:26.54 | Delf | Filesystems aside. Is it possible to resize a mounted partition "on the fly" (that's got programs running off of and files being read and written to)? |
| 01:27.10 | qmr | Yes. |
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| 01:48.46 | Delf | Thanks you |
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| 01:55.02 | ZodoTurtle | what is plymouth, why did if fail to start, why do I need it, how do I prevent it from running if I don't need it. |
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| 01:57.07 | markybob | ZodoTurtle: it's a stupid boot animation thing that's not installed by default in debian. are you using debian? or something based on debian like ubuntu? |
| 01:57.13 | zykotick9 | ZodoTurtle: plymouth is that gui-boot "thing", i don't know why it failed, you don't need it, remove "quiet splash" from your kernel options. |
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| 01:59.20 | ZodoTurtle | That can take 10 minutes to even find. |
| 01:59.52 | markybob | ZodoTurtle: what can? are you using debian or something based on it? |
| 02:00.52 | ZodoTurtle | debian |
| 02:01.31 | markybob | ZodoTurtle: then you can do dpkg --purge plymouth if you're not on debian you may very well break your system very badly |
| 02:02.40 | ZodoTurtle | okay, onto the next problem. Because it is ignored the request to remove something that isn't installed. |
| 02:03.02 | markybob | wth |
| 02:03.16 | ZodoTurtle | Why is X not loading. Correction. it loads if I remove my xorg.conf file. |
| 02:03.36 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: show us the command and output in a paste on https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 02:03.38 | ZodoTurtle | I just did a distro upgrade and rebooted about 10 minutes ago. |
| 02:03.53 | markybob | ZodoTurtle: dist-upgrade to what? testing? |
| 02:04.06 | ZodoTurtle | to jessie from wheezy. |
| 02:04.58 | squarecircle | blind: teraflops It works |
| 02:05.06 | ZodoTurtle | Now I get a blinking cursor instead of any GUI when I reboot or otherwise attempt to load X. |
| 02:05.46 | squarecircle | blind: teraflops please don't ask me why it does now |
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| 02:06.08 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: X loads unless you have an xorg.conf file? What's in the file. The more details you provide, the more help you'll get |
| 02:06.26 | hiexpo | hi guys |
| 02:06.29 | squarecircle | blind: teraflops only the volume buttons aren't reported to the machine |
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| 02:06.37 | ZodoTurtle | before the upgrade, I was using native nvidia drivers. I'm assuming that is somehow the problem. |
| 02:07.11 | hiexpo | prob |
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| 02:07.34 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: were the nvidia drivers installed the correct way with the debian packages, or with the installer from the nvidia site? |
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| 02:09.31 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: That was over a year ago. Before jessie was released. So, I don't know. |
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| 02:10.52 | squarecircle | blind: teraflops so thanks a lot |
| 02:10.53 | hiexpo | debians installer for nvidia sucks like ati i use theree's it works better if i compile it. |
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| 02:11.08 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: probably through debian. |
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| 02:13.42 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: if you want to use the proprietary drivers you can look at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or you can try the default nouveau drivers. If you look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log it will tell you which is being used. |
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| 02:15.44 | ZodoTurtle | nouveau = no. Everytime has been a bad experience for me. |
| 02:17.05 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: see the instructions in the wiki link above then, stick to the Debian packages (this page unfortunately also has instructions for using the nvidia installer which can break your system). good luck! |
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| 02:30.44 | flaf | Hi, |
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| 02:32.53 | flaf | Is it possible to make this pinning: all packages from the repo hosted by ceph.com have priority 50, except packages from ceph.com where the version matches with "9.2.1-*"? |
| 02:34.13 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: Any chance you can help me find out WHAT is going wrong? |
| 02:34.26 | flaf | First condition is Ok for me, but first _and_ second conditions, I don't know... |
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| 02:36.02 | ZodoTurtle | I'm now looking at the link you provided. Using my cellphone. |
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| 02:36.06 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: i can help you get the nouveau driver working if you want, but i don't volunteer here to help people install proprietary software :) I recommend you review the wiki page I linked you to and make sure that your system matches what's on that page, and to review your logs (and put them on the debian paste site if you want help from others here) |
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| 02:37.31 | ZodoTurtle | Okay, and I won't be playing games using nouveau. |
| 02:38.17 | ZodoTurtle | yeah, the logs. That would be the problem. I don't currently know what log to view. |
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| 02:40.10 | ZodoTurtle | Great. so the thing suggest that I try nouveau, which will likely require me to completely reconfigure my xorg.conf fiel. |
| 02:40.57 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: to use nouveau you usually don't need an xorg.conf file. Try moving it somewhere else. Also to go back to nouveau you need to remove the blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 02:41.01 | markybob | ZodoTurtle: not really. just delete it most likely |
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| 02:41.53 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: I want a HIGHer resolution that 1024x768. |
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| 02:42.26 | ZodoTurtle | Right, I was overlooking the likely blacklist issue. |
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| 02:43.39 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: it's likely that the nouveau driver has made some progress since the last time you used it, it's worth giving it a fair shot |
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| 02:45.41 | ZodoTurtle | update initramfs yeah. so, I need to reboot now. |
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| 03:00.19 | ZodoTurtle | So, how do I find out if I'm running nouveau? |
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| 03:01.23 | TomTomTosch | ZodoTurtle, you can see if the nouveau module is loaded with lsmod. |
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| 03:01.58 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should tell you |
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| 03:05.22 | ZodoTurtle | HDMI support with nouveau? |
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| 03:06.14 | TomTomTosch | in general? sure. |
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| 03:07.13 | ZodoTurtle | Says it is using VESA |
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| 03:08.46 | TomTomTosch | it says vesa and nothing more? vesa has all sorts of standards. prob DP though. |
| 03:08.51 | ZodoTurtle | I'll return to, you are more than welcome to assist me in using nouveau but I seriously doubt it will work |
| 03:09.21 | TomTomTosch | how kind of you :3 |
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| 03:09.31 | ZodoTurtle | VESA using shadow frame buffer |
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| 03:10.35 | TomTomTosch | man, i have no idea what you want to tell me. |
| 03:10.37 | ZodoTurtle | I was excited to try nouveau the first two times, years apart. After that, it left a very bitter taste. |
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| 03:11.08 | ZodoTurtle | It is at 1024x768. |
| 03:11.44 | TomTomTosch | so you got x running and all that? |
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| 03:12.24 | ZodoTurtle | Argh, it is the monitor settings. Those are what I have to get into the system now. |
| 03:12.28 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on the Debian paste site? I don't think you're using nouveau at this point |
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| 03:13.26 | TomTomTosch | ^ what he said. |
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| 03:14.54 | ZodoTurtle | http://paste.debian.net/408998 |
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| 03:17.53 | TomTomTosch | it does load the nouveau module. what happens if you change the resolution? |
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| 03:18.30 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: thanks :) it looks to me like X is using the VESA driver (sort of a fallback if everything else fails). I also noticed on line 108: (EE) [drm] KMS not enabled |
| 03:18.31 | ZodoTurtle | How? No higher resolution is listed as available. |
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| 03:19.01 | ZodoTurtle | What is KMS? |
| 03:19.17 | ZodoTurtle | And yeah, I was pretty sure it was using VESA> |
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| 03:19.31 | jmcnaught | Kernel Mode Setting, it means that the kernel handles changing resolutions instead of the userland X server |
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| 03:20.08 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: does "lsmod | grep nouveau" return anything? |
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| 03:20.42 | ZodoTurtle | Okay, before I go any further. I greatly appreciate all the help. |
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| 03:20.58 | ZodoTurtle | Oh how I hate spelling nouveau. |
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| 03:21.28 | ZodoTurtle | "lsmod | grep nou" doesn't report anything. |
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| 03:23.09 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: try to modprobe it, check for errors (possibly in dmesg). I've got to walk the dog, but i'll check to see if you're still having trouble when i get back. It's possible the nouveau module is still blacklisted, or you might need to remove the nvidia-* packages |
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| 03:26.10 | cnnx_ | is it ok not to reboot a production server after updates ? if it runs debian? |
| 03:26.24 | cnnx_ | im starting to have a lot of services run on it |
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| 03:26.32 | quantic | cnnx_: Depends entirely on what was updated. |
| 03:26.43 | cnnx | quantic: well general.. apt-get update/upgrade |
| 03:26.48 | Hello71 | if you're asking that then you aren't running a "production" server |
| 03:26.58 | cnnx | Hello71: i just run a few sites i created |
| 03:27.00 | quantic | cnnx: See Hello71's answer. |
| 03:27.01 | cnnx | nothing major i guess |
| 03:27.04 | cnnx | production to me |
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| 03:27.17 | Hello71 | five bucks says you run someone *else's* sites too |
| 03:27.24 | cnnx | not really? |
| 03:27.27 | rocketmagnet | hey i'm new to jessie wm, how can i add items that don't show me the "add to favorite" button to the taskbar on the left side ??? |
| 03:27.30 | rocketmagnet | ^ |
| 03:27.34 | quantic | cnnx: Patching window = maintenance window = restart me please. |
| 03:27.48 | cnnx | quantic: ok.. so its recommend to restart? |
| 03:27.54 | cnnx | just schedule it |
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| 03:28.27 | quantic | cnnx: There's this thing called "preparation." You should be prepared to restart the system during your patching and maintenance window. So should everyone else. |
| 03:28.36 | TomTomTosch | cnnx, it depends entirely on what has been updated. libc and kernel stuff needs reboot. most updates don't require a reboot though. |
| 03:28.47 | quantic | cnnx: That way, if you have to, it's fine, it's expected. if you don't, hooray, people are pleasantly surprised by your better-than-advertised availability. |
| 03:29.11 | Hello71 | quantic: fun quote from somewhere: if you don't have scheduled maintenance, then you will wind up having unscheduled maintenance |
| 03:29.17 | quantic | Hello71: YUP. |
| 03:29.38 | quantic | Sunday, 0200-0400. |
| 03:29.51 | cnnx | i like the idea of rebooting after every update to make sure the system is ok after the update |
| 03:30.03 | quantic | That's the window I use for all of my own personal "production" systems. |
| 03:30.03 | cnnx | takes 2 minutes to come back if all is good |
| 03:30.47 | quantic | During that timeframe, if one of my webservers is restarting, it redirects to a maintenance page with a link to Levar Burton's reading of "Go the **** to sleep." |
| 03:31.05 | rocketmagnet | hey i'm new to jessie wm, how can i add items that don't show me the "add to favorite" button to the taskbar on the left side ??? |
| 03:31.18 | cnnx | quantic: do you set that up with a failover ip? |
| 03:31.20 | rocketmagnet | for apps i compile myself for exsample |
| 03:32.03 | TomTomTosch | rocketmagnet, what wm are you using? and you want to add stuff you compiled to the start menu? |
| 03:32.10 | quantic | cnnx: Yup. |
| 03:32.21 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: I tried reinstalling some things, Am rebooting, will BRB. |
| 03:32.28 | cnnx | quantic: i guess I would have to upgrade my dedicated server to one that allows more than 1 ip lol |
| 03:32.31 | quantic | cnnx: Well, kind of. Reverse proxy through nginx. If the backend is unavailable and its during that time, that's the page you get. |
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| 03:32.51 | austeregrim | TomTomTosch, do you know how the sources.lst is parsed? like how does it handle the line.... deb mirror.source.com/debian jessie/updates main contrib ... is jessie/updates something particularly special? I understand jessie, and i understand jessie-updates ... but jessie/updates i'm lost |
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| 03:33.47 | ZodoTurtle | Well, that didn't work. |
| 03:33.56 | austeregrim | the commented out default line is security.debian.org .. are they security updates? |
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| 03:34.12 | cnnx | quantic: thanks for the info |
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| 03:35.38 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: I'm getting, Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 03:35.39 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, that's for the debian security archive. you should leave that in. |
| 03:35.43 | austeregrim | I should google and not bug people on here.. :-P |
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| 03:36.04 | austeregrim | that should be mirrored too though |
| 03:37.08 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, debian backports security patches from upstream. that's why jessie's older software is still secure. |
| 03:37.08 | austeregrim | is security.debian.org the only place to get the security updates? |
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| 03:37.23 | TomTomTosch | i'm not sure. sry. |
| 03:37.29 | mrrhq | Likely yes. |
| 03:37.43 | mrrhq | For Debian. |
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| 03:38.22 | austeregrim | well then... looks like I'm going to hit my monthly data cap... going to download that too then. |
| 03:38.49 | TomTomTosch | data cap? fuck that. |
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| 03:39.14 | quantic | has one. Granted, its 2TB monthly. |
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| 03:39.50 | TomTomTosch | what year is it? |
| 03:40.05 | dvs | 1997 |
| 03:40.27 | TomTomTosch | damn, not again... |
| 03:41.34 | austeregrim | mines 999gb |
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| 03:41.57 | austeregrim | but it's because of our remote location... and $10 per 50gb over. |
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| 03:42.26 | austeregrim | the next tier of bandwidth includes 2tb cap... |
| 03:42.37 | quantic | Has nothing to do with remote location. Bits don't magically cost more when you cross an arbitrary number. |
| 03:42.46 | austeregrim | I'm don't think I'll hit it regularly. |
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| 03:43.37 | austeregrim | quantic, the reasoning is beecause the limited bandwidth to our city.. they're the only pipe, and only have so much width. .. if everyone was mirroring using their 100mbps connection no one would get 100mbps connection |
| 03:44.32 | austeregrim | I'm not arguing for it. I just understand it... and my options are 100mbps cable, 1.5mbps dsl, or 56kbps dialup |
| 03:45.15 | austeregrim | not like I can make a stand against them... and I understand the limits... and I've agreed to those limits. and I'll pay for breaking those limits. |
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| 03:46.02 | austeregrim | they're not going to shut off my connection or slow me down if I pass my cap. I just pay for what I've agreed to. |
| 03:46.58 | TomTomTosch | right... let's go back to topic though :P |
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| 03:47.48 | ZodoTurtle | That my X is useless for my purpose until we get it fixed. |
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| 03:50.04 | nebg | hello everyone, what's the difference between ":=" and "+=" in a makefile ? |
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| 03:53.00 | TomTomTosch | += is the append operator. := is the create operator. |
| 03:55.33 | rocketmagnet | does this work over the new extension stuff or does i need to find an config file ?? there must be a config file that list all apps from the taskbar when using the left upper corner taskbar |
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| 03:56.24 | TomTomTosch | strangely, i don't see the := operator named in the make manual. they just call it 'the ":="' :D |
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| 03:56.42 | rocketmagnet | and how to find the configs of the extesions or how to see all my extensions from inside the console ? |
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| 03:57.42 | TomTomTosch | rocketmagnet, you still didn't tell us what desktop environment you are using. |
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| 03:58.36 | ZodoTurtle | is still broken. |
| 03:59.03 | rocketmagnet | jessie debian 8 |
| 03:59.15 | rocketmagnet | gnome |
| 03:59.29 | dvs | rocketmagnet: still not a desktop environment |
| 03:59.32 | ZodoTurtle | rocketmagnet: preferred app by extension or whatever is per desktop environment. |
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| 03:59.43 | ZodoTurtle | I'm guessing he just stated gnome 3. |
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| 04:00.13 | w0lf | Hi |
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| 04:02.53 | ZodoTurtle | And people wonder why I never update, upgrade, or reinstall on a functioning system. |
| 04:03.01 | TomTomTosch | rocketmagnet, if you want to add your own stuff to gnome you can create a Desktop file. https://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en |
| 04:03.47 | ZodoTurtle | I learned to live by the old tried and true redneck model. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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| 04:04.42 | TomTomTosch | can't tell that to my german boss. |
| 04:05.35 | markybob | specially when we know is is broken |
| 04:05.40 | markybob | it* |
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| 04:05.54 | ZodoTurtle | It is broken NOW! |
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| 04:06.19 | ZodoTurtle | And this will likely take me days to fix. |
| 04:06.21 | markybob | !tell ZodoTurtle about dontbreakdebian |
| 04:06.29 | markybob | it's not hard |
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| 04:07.23 | ZodoTurtle | Okay, I'm ditching the nouveau attempt. That clearly failed. |
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| 04:13.28 | ZodoTurtle | well, I'm going to attempt a reboot. This time I won't be surprised if I can't come back. |
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| 04:13.55 | TomTomTosch | ZodoTurtle, well, you didn't do much except for screaming at the screen, did you? |
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| 04:14.33 | TomTomTosch | ZodoTurtle, did you do what jmcnaught told you and modprobe the nouveau module? |
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| 04:14.50 | quantic | ` |
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| 04:15.31 | ZodoTurtle | TomTomTosch: I did. It loaded, and it did not help. |
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| 04:15.41 | ZodoTurtle | TomTomTosch: I did NOT see any errors. |
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| 04:16.10 | TomTomTosch | ZodoTurtle, it is listed in lsmod | grep nouveau afterwards? |
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| 04:16.27 | ZodoTurtle | TomTomTosch: It was. |
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| 04:17.07 | TomTomTosch | ZodoTurtle checked your kernel log for any errors? |
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| 04:18.40 | TomTomTosch | ZodoTurtle, did you check modprobe.conf and modprobe.d for anything disabling KMS? |
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| 04:22.00 | TomTomTosch | ZodoTurtle, /etc/modprobe.d/ that is. |
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| 04:22.43 | ZodoTurtle | I'm sorry, that's just funny. I start the process of putting in nvidia drivers and NOW people are trying to help again. |
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| 04:24.16 | markybob | ZodoTurtle: we don't watch 24/7. we have jobs/lives |
| 04:24.22 | TomTomTosch | ZodoTurtle, you can file a complaint with the upper management. |
| 04:24.27 | markybob | imagine that |
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| 04:25.11 | TomTomTosch | leaving me alone, are ya? :P |
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| 04:26.09 | TomTomTosch | fair enough ;D |
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| 04:34.33 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: hey i hope you made some progress, not sure exactly what you tried. FYI, "nv" is the older driver that nouveau replaced (nouveau is french for new) |
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| 04:35.33 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: welcome back |
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| 04:39.04 | TomTomTosch | >> [drm] KMS not enabled << this needs fixing. prevents nouveau from working, even if it's listed in lsmod. |
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| 04:39.19 | ZodoTurtle | prevents both from working. Neither work. |
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| 04:44.40 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: if you still want to try nouveau, double check that you have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf (and nothing in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/). Remove any files mentioning nouveau from /etc/modprobe.d/, and you can also check /etc/default/grub to make sure the kernel command line doesn't have "nomodeset" in it. It's probably also a good idea to remove/purge the nvidia-* packages (list the ones that are installed with "aptitude search ~i~n^nvidia") |
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| 04:45.49 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: After you do this and reboot if it still doesn't work, your system will be ready to start the NvidiaGraphicsDriver instructions on the wiki for installing the proprietary drivers |
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| 04:55.45 | ToHellWithGA | to include firmware on the removable media from which i'll install debian is it okay to just copy the files onto a second ext2 partition on the USB drive? |
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| 04:56.35 | markybob | !firmware installer |
| 04:56.36 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 04:56.57 | jmcnaught | ToHellWithGA: that should work. i think the standard installer iso image even has a second partition for that purpose. |
| 04:57.19 | markybob | ToHellWithGA: so much easier to use firmware images though. installers with firware already included |
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| 04:57.58 | jmcnaught | ToHellWithGA: if you have a second USB stick you can also put the firmwares there, or use the firmware installer (unless it's a broadcom non-distributable firmware that you need) |
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| 04:58.40 | ZodoTurtle | well, I am using nouveau for now. |
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| 04:59.16 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: you got nouveau working (not nv or vesa?) |
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| 04:59.50 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: it appears so. |
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| 05:00.23 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: nice, and you can set the correct resolution? |
| 05:00.39 | wqe | hey when using vlc, it crashes and i get a seg fault. i tried --purge remove vlc then install but didnt work. any ideas? |
| 05:01.01 | TomTomTosch | wqe, debian testing? |
| 05:01.08 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: the Xorg.0.log is littered with functional NOUVEAU messages. So it is working, and it automatically went to my preferred resolution and dpi. |
| 05:01.14 | ZodoTurtle | wait. |
| 05:01.23 | ZodoTurtle | no, the DPI setting is .. ugh. |
| 05:01.24 | wqe | TomTomTosch: jessie |
| 05:01.41 | jmcnaught | wqe: launch vlc from a terminal, when it crashes put the error messages on https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 05:01.45 | ZodoTurtle | eh, I can work with this. |
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| 05:01.57 | wqe | jmcnaught: already got em lemme paste |
| 05:02.25 | ZodoTurtle | My current problems are a just a result of the retarded default settings that wheezy gave me. |
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| 05:02.56 | wqe | jmcnaught: https://paste.debian.net/plain/409114 |
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| 05:03.27 | ZodoTurtle | font size on my lxde panel is oversized. :( |
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| 05:05.51 | ZodoTurtle | Anyway. jmcnaught thanks for the help. |
| 05:06.03 | ZodoTurtle | I'll find out the font problem eventually. |
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| 05:06.26 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: some progress is better than no progress at least. i'm sure you'll get it all figured out |
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| 05:06.44 | jmcnaught | wqe: maybe try it with "vlc --verbose" ? |
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| 05:09.34 | ZodoTurtle | I can't figure out how to fix this. E: glx-diversions: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 2 |
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| 05:09.58 | TomTomTosch | wqe, you have an nvidia card and the vdpau driver installed? |
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| 05:10.30 | wqe | TomTomTosch: i dont have an nvidia card |
| 05:10.44 | wqe | im running verbose mode now to see if that crashes |
| 05:10.45 | TomTomTosch | well, there's your problem then, lol |
| 05:10.50 | wqe | i got |
| 05:10.56 | wqe | intel hd 3000 |
| 05:11.08 | wqe | and watch a video then vlc exits on a seg fault |
| 05:11.15 | wqe | it happens randomly |
| 05:11.28 | TomTomTosch | "Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so" < this is strange ;D |
| 05:11.29 | mrrhq | My question is, why would VLC not try to default to software rendering if VDPAU failed? |
| 05:11.48 | mrrhq | I think mplayer does that. |
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| 05:12.08 | wqe | i use smplayer and it runs great but i prefer vlc |
| 05:12.09 | mrrhq | Maybe another player will work? |
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| 05:12.24 | wqe | i guess ill wait for the updated package |
| 05:12.33 | wqe | if jessie ever gets one |
| 05:12.42 | jmcnaught | yeah i suspect that the crash is something else and VLC is merely complaining about the lack of a library it would like to use. |
| 05:12.43 | mrrhq | Well, you may be able to change VLC's config file. |
| 05:12.55 | mrrhq | Without opening VLC. |
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| 05:13.04 | mrrhq | That's the only thing I can think of. |
| 05:13.29 | wqe | i tried everything i could find on google. purge/remove/reinstall, removing .config vlc stuff |
| 05:14.03 | mrrhq | At least you can run VLC without opening a video? |
| 05:14.07 | jmcnaught | wqe: if VLC doesn't crash until you play a video, you could check the output setting on the video tab |
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| 05:14.48 | wqe | well the video plays but i get a random seg fault and it closes ill just use smplayer for now tho |
| 05:14.53 | wqe | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=798899 |
| 05:14.56 | wqe | just found this |
| 05:15.00 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/798899 in vlc (closed): «vlc: Segmentation fault when playing video»; severity: important; opened: 2015-09-13; last modified: 2015-10-17. |
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| 05:16.46 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: can you remove the glx-diversions package? Or check why it's installed with "aptitude why glx-diversions" ? |
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| 05:18.17 | TomTomTosch | wqe, try to disable hardware-accelerated decoding in preferences > input / codecs |
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| 05:18.38 | TomTomTosch | wqe, or try a different setting. |
| 05:19.40 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: it won't remove |
| 05:20.02 | ZodoTurtle | Unable to find a reason to install glx-diversions. |
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| 05:22.00 | tErik_mc | Hi, how can i harden the OpenSSH daemon/server further in debian ? please point me to an article explaining how to harden it further, like, disabling root access for ssh user, and how to use "su" to gain root access temporarily inside a ssh shell access, allow only specific ip-address user to connect ssh, use very STRONG encryption for ssh connection, etc. |
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| 05:24.02 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: the post removal script it is talking about would be in /var/lib/dpkg/info (with a postrm extension). You could look at it to see what's going wrong, or at least what it's trying to do. |
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| 05:27.07 | jmcnaught | tErik_mc: once place to start would be "man sshd_config". Also there's this chapter of the securing debian manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s5.1 |
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| 05:28.01 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: gdpkg-divert: error: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libEGL.so.1' with different file `/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/libEGL.so.1', not allowed |
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| 05:29.04 | wqe | TomTomTosch: so far so good. i tried disabling it, got seg fault. its going thru DRM now tho |
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| 05:31.08 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: that library belongs to two different packages: libegl1-mesa and libegl1-nvidia. The diversions system is supposed to make the correct one available. Do you have either/both of those packages installed? |
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| 05:32.37 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: the message version has an i, the nvidial lists a c. Conflict. |
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| 05:33.52 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: not sure what you mean, can you put the whole thing in a paste? |
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| 05:35.05 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: there's a pastebinit package that automates pastes, might be helpful for you |
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| 05:35.13 | ZodoTurtle | http://paste.debian.net/409135/ |
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| 05:35.28 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: yeah, I've been using that. |
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| 05:35.38 | ZodoTurtle | Had to dump the data to a file first. |
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| 05:35.55 | jmcnaught | !pastebinit |
| 05:35.55 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 05:36.07 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: you can pipe to it ^ |
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| 05:36.58 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/409136/ |
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| 05:38.10 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: what was the command for that last paste? |
| 05:38.44 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: aptitude purge libegl1-nvidia |
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| 05:40.03 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: the 'c' in the list output of aptitude means config files left on the system by a package that was removed but not purged |
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| 05:41.06 | wqe | thanks for the help! |
| 05:41.22 | wqe | vlc is seg fault free now |
| 05:41.32 | TomTomTosch | great. |
| 05:41.50 | TomTomTosch | strange it tried to load the nvidia drivers though. |
| 05:42.05 | wqe | yeah its weird i was wondering what was going on |
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| 05:43.01 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: what are my chances of finding which config file is causing the problem? |
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| 05:44.52 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: the script that is failing will be in /var/lib/dpkg (with .postrm extension). You could put that in a paste. It's a kludge, but you could try editing that script so it doesn't exit in failure. This isn't ideal however, because this script is trying to clean up after the package |
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| 05:49.41 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/409168/ |
| 05:50.00 | ZodoTurtle | or purge is great! |
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| 05:50.56 | tErik_mc | jmcnaught, thanks. i'm going thru the article you pointed out, and also these: https://wiki.debian.org/SSH , https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening , https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html , http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/993/hardening-linux-server , https://www.debian-administration.org/article/455/Secure_SSH , http://hardenedlinux.org/system-security/2015/06/09/debian-security-chklist.html |
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| 05:51.51 | jmcnaught | tErik_mc: probably a good bunch |
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| 05:59.05 | austeregrim | 418gb ... just for amd64 and sources.... |
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| 06:00.46 | TomTomTosch | ^ the first one unhappy with how big debian is :P |
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| 06:01.23 | austeregrim | not unhappy |
| 06:01.35 | austeregrim | just a bit unexpected. :-P |
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| 06:01.50 | austeregrim | I think the size list is a bit misleading ;-) |
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| 06:02.42 | austeregrim | im just hoping I don't need x86 for an amd64 install |
| 06:03.02 | austeregrim | or i386 packages I mean |
| 06:03.04 | TomTomTosch | probably only had main included. contrib and non-free are not officially in debian. |
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| 06:03.31 | austeregrim | ah... |
| 06:03.56 | austeregrim | well I wanted as much as I could. lol |
| 06:03.57 | TomTomTosch | well, debian does have multiarch support. so the i386 stuff could be useful. |
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| 06:04.53 | austeregrim | I just hope I don't "need" it... as in stuff won't install without i386 packages available. |
| 06:05.04 | austeregrim | I do have "all" arch packages |
| 06:05.35 | austeregrim | and source... so if apt needs to build stuff from sources |
| 06:06.09 | TomTomTosch | or if you want to backport stuff from testing, which is nice ;D |
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| 06:07.18 | austeregrim | I can only hope this is good enough for now |
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| 06:07.48 | austeregrim | now I have to collect centos stuff. get that set up and start the download monday. |
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| 06:13.53 | ZodoTurtle | finally got the font size fixed. |
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| 06:44.46 | mrrhq | bsdnoob: Evening. :) |
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| 06:54.12 | bsdnoob | how can I install amd r9 375m driver ? |
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| 07:01.58 | mrrhq | bsdnoob: Radeon? I'm not sure, maybe the free ones are compatible. you'll need libdrm-radeon1, the xserver-xorg-video-radeon, and Mesa, which is usually installed. |
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| 07:39.44 | DarsVaeda | hi, I'm getting this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/bc16fa42e120fe33ff17 |
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| 07:40.03 | DarsVaeda | tried a few things like reinstalling locales but nothing works |
| 07:40.08 | DarsVaeda | I'm a bit stuck |
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| 07:42.13 | jmcnaught | DarsVaeda: is it possible a container or VPS? have you tried "dpkg-reconfigure locales" ? |
| 07:42.25 | DarsVaeda | yes sure |
| 07:42.42 | DarsVaeda | not not a container or vps, not even sure what this is ^^ |
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| 07:44.30 | DarsVaeda | this is what "locale" spits out https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d21844dfee03c7cc1c06 |
| 07:44.44 | DarsVaeda | which is strange cause my default was en utf8 |
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| 07:45.05 | DarsVaeda | something must have reset it and I guess this is where the error originates from |
| 07:46.10 | jmcnaught | DarsVaeda: that was a yes to "dpkg-reconfigure..." ? |
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| 07:46.27 | DarsVaeda | yes |
| 07:46.44 | DarsVaeda | generates locales but right then the same error pops up |
| 07:47.00 | jmcnaught | DarsVaeda: are you using any sort of mandatory access control like apparmor or selinux? I had trouble updating locales while using apparmor |
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| 07:47.29 | DarsVaeda | not that I'm aware of |
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| 07:49.16 | DarsVaeda | ah exporting LC_ALL=en_US.UTF8 seems to fix it |
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| 07:49.22 | jmcnaught | DarsVaeda: what do you have in /etc/default/locale ? |
| 07:49.47 | DarsVaeda | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 07:57.37 | jmcnaught | DarsVaeda: did you put "export LC_CTYPE=UTF-8" somewhere in your .bashrc or .profile? Does "locale -a" list that as an available locale for you? |
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| 07:58.50 | DarsVaeda | I have C, C.UTF-8, de_DE.utf8, en_US.utf8 and POSIX |
| 08:00.06 | jmcnaught | DarsVaeda: if you are setting LC_CTYPE somewhere I don't think you can set it to 'UTF-8', it has to be a valid locale name. but i could be wrong |
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| 08:00.40 | DarsVaeda | .bashrc and .profiles seem pretty standard, I didn't edit them manually too |
| 08:01.20 | jmcnaught | DarsVaeda: for me LC_CTYPE="en_CA.utf8" when i run "locale". I think that's the cause of your error. And the reason setting "LC_ALL" temporarily fixes it is because LC_ALL overrides everything |
| 08:02.09 | DarsVaeda | I see |
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| 08:02.21 | DarsVaeda | I'll check where I can set that |
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| 08:05.34 | DarsVaeda | ah I found that setting /etc/environment should fix it and it seems it does |
| 08:05.53 | DarsVaeda | now LC_TYPE gives en_US.utf8 too |
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| 08:08.30 | jmcnaught | DarsVaeda: great! it's curious where LC_CTYPE=UTF-8 came from in the first place. |
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| 08:09.10 | MaBunny | guys i hav downloaded the i386 version of debian |
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| 08:09.34 | MaBunny | can you point me to the webpage where it says to cp the iso and sync it? |
| 08:09.54 | DarsVaeda | jmcnaught, yeah I bet some installation set it wrong |
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| 08:10.11 | MaBunny | i dont remember the webpage so i could use some help |
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| 08:10.37 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 08:10.45 | MaBunny | thnx |
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| 08:20.02 | bsdnoob | help? |
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| 08:35.18 | orl | MeatHammer: sorry, I'm just seeing your answer from yesterday |
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| 08:35.46 | orl | Restarting network with ifdown / ifup works, but I don't know if that's what you mean by CLI |
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| 08:37.14 | orl | (just to remind, the problem is that systemd exit with an error code when speaking about networking, though network is perfectly working and there's no more information in systemctl status than "networking.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE" |
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| 08:38.27 | orl | and as a result I've got a 1'30" timeout to wait at startup, even if everything works fine. |
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| 08:53.32 | austeregrim | TomTomTosch, seriously thanks again for talking me through this stuff for the mirror. |
| 08:54.24 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, no problemo. :) |
| 08:54.38 | austeregrim | I've moved the mirror to my nas... and it's happily serving up an http server as a local mirror that apt is just pleased to access. |
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| 08:55.48 | hhmmm | cool |
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| 09:03.35 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, glad it worked out. for further updating it's probably worth using apt-zip though like markybob suggested. |
| 09:04.13 | austeregrim | ill look into it |
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| 09:09.56 | TomTomTosch | austeregrim, those computers don't have an internet connection at all or is there just a slow one? |
| 09:10.10 | austeregrim | no internet at all |
| 09:11.03 | austeregrim | there is an air gapped network that I can't plug in to, but I have a machine I can use to check email and do some web browsing |
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| 09:11.03 | TomTomTosch | ah well, then security updates are probably not a priority and jessie does not get any new features anyway :) |
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| 09:11.44 | austeregrim | our "security" department would say otherwise. ;-) |
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| 09:13.11 | austeregrim | got to have all the patches |
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| 09:13.51 | TomTomTosch | nothing wrong with that, there are many vectors of attack after all. |
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| 09:16.20 | BinBasher | ,v efibootmgr |
| 09:16.21 | judd | Package: efibootmgr on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.5.4-2; wheezy: 0.5.4-3; jessie: 0.11.0-3; sid: 0.12-4; stretch: 0.12-4 |
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| 09:17.49 | austeregrim | TomTomTosch, yep... and those security updates may prevent something at the physical access and someone plugging in a usb keyboard with some magic firmware. |
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| 09:18.22 | ZodoTurtle | Um humm. |
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| 09:18.43 | ZodoTurtle | nouveau can eat a big one. |
| 09:18.47 | BinBasher | efibootmgr does not make persistent changes for me... anyone else experiencing this? |
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| 09:19.20 | ZodoTurtle | first a throttle to about 30fps. then it just completely crashed my X. |
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| 09:19.52 | TomTomTosch | that sounds bad. |
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| 09:20.24 | ZodoTurtle | it is either that, or the KPMS or whatever that kernel switching thing is. |
| 09:21.08 | TomTomTosch | you would probably have to search the logs to know that. can't tell you from here. |
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| 09:22.35 | TomTomTosch | the Xorg log or kern.log are a good place to start. |
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| 09:25.49 | orl | Is there a way to have more verbose output from systemctl status? |
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| 09:29.36 | TomTomTosch | orl, you can pass --full to not ellipsize lines. |
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| 09:30.22 | TomTomTosch | orl, what exactly do you wish to see? |
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| 09:32.07 | orl | why networking.service exit with an error code |
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| 09:32.52 | orl | TomTomTosch: it doesn't give more in my case, always only: "networking.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE" |
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| 09:34.16 | TomTomTosch | orl, tried this? ´journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=networking.service´ |
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| 09:35.08 | orl | TomTomTosch: Oh, right, it gives a lot more. |
| 09:35.27 | orl | Looks like the problem is that it doesn't find eth0 (the ethernet adapter is eth1) |
| 09:35.58 | orl | OK, I think I got it. |
| 09:36.06 | TomTomTosch | great. |
| 09:36.07 | orl | We'll see on next startup, but it should work fine, now! |
| 09:36.09 | orl | Thanks. |
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| 09:36.33 | TomTomTosch | orl, you prob don't need to restart. you can just restart the service. |
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| 11:00.07 | shtrb | hmm why is debian-next invite only if issues with unstable should be discussed there ? |
| 11:00.58 | shtrb | join #kde |
| 11:01.36 | blind | shtrb: #debian-next on oftc |
| 11:01.47 | blind | not on freenode. |
| 11:02.13 | shtrb | ahh |
| 11:02.14 | shtrb | ok |
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| 11:03.58 | shtrb | is anyone using pidgin and had been able to have the icon in systemtray ? |
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| 11:06.46 | Amun_Ra | shtrb: I have |
| 11:07.43 | shtrb | Amun_ra , how did you do that ? |
| 11:08.00 | shtrb | forgot to add in unstable and KDE |
| 11:08.14 | Amun_Ra | shtrb: apt-get install pidgin (deb/testing + gnome) |
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| 11:08.20 | Amun_Ra | shtrb: it just works |
| 11:08.54 | markit | hi, I'm really upset that normal users are no more allowed to use the "ping" command!!! That's mad, is a basic troubleshooting tool |
| 11:09.09 | markit | (sid here) |
| 11:09.19 | markit | am I missing something obvious? |
| 11:09.49 | shtrb | Amun_ra , strange as hell because for me it is not shown (and there is an open bug about it ) |
| 11:10.08 | shtrb | Amun_ra , maybe that gnome have something that kde doesn't bring in |
| 11:10.27 | Amun_Ra | shtrb: or the bug is kde specific |
| 11:10.36 | grawity | i'm really upset that you come here yelling instead of considering that perhaps it might be only *your* system that's like that |
| 11:11.00 | shtrb | Amun_ra , the bug (or feature) is also shown in pidgin https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/16456 |
| 11:11.11 | shtrb | markit , pidgin or something else ? |
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| 11:11.41 | markit | shtrb: ping, simple ping... googling seems a common "problem", nevertheless I'm shocked |
| 11:11.48 | markit | ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted |
| 11:11.49 | grawity | markit: so when a normal user tries to use ping, what messages *do* you get back? |
| 11:12.02 | shtrb | markit , sorry that is different subject |
| 11:12.05 | Amun_Ra | shtrb: well, it seems it is kde only |
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| 11:12.08 | grawity | also sid is #debian-next I think |
| 11:12.13 | shtrb | markit , by the error you shown check if firewall and routes |
| 11:12.27 | grawity | markit: `ls -la /bin/ping; getcap /bin/ping`? |
| 11:12.38 | shtrb | Amun_ra , I have seen almost the same bug in gnome reported |
| 11:12.38 | markit | no no, they have changed I guess for security reasons the "ping" possibility |
| 11:12.58 | grawity | oh man, here's the conspiracy theory now |
| 11:13.00 | markit | "markit #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited" |
| 11:13.09 | grawity | oh yeah, it's on OFTC, sorry |
| 11:13.18 | Amun_Ra | markit: /topic |
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| 11:13.47 | markit | Amun_Ra: ok, different irc network, thanks for pointing out |
| 11:14.03 | shtrb | markit , I'm on sid to and normal new users can ping |
| 11:14.07 | hiexpo | lol |
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| 11:14.14 | Amun_Ra | markit: yes, I don't know why really ;> |
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| 11:14.48 | shtrb | markit, your error seems like a firewall or routes issue |
| 11:14.48 | markit | shtrb: oh, sorry, yep, I'm on sid, but I've the problem on recent ubuntu and in jessie |
| 11:15.13 | markit | https://scivision.co/fixing-the-error-ping-icmp-open-socket-operation-not-permitted/ |
| 11:15.21 | hiexpo | !ubuntu |
| 11:15.21 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 11:15.31 | markit | let's try it |
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| 11:16.10 | shtrb | markit , didn't I mention to you that you should check the firewall ? |
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| 11:16.44 | markit | shtrb: belive me, there is no firewall in the host, and I'm pinging on local network |
| 11:16.46 | nadu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.04 | TomTomTosch | still no sid support in this channel. |
| 11:17.11 | shtrb | markit , you don't have iptables installed ? |
| 11:17.20 | markit | apt-get install --reinstall iputils-ping solved |
| 11:17.33 | nadu | plz help |
| 11:17.38 | shtrb | markit , if you have anything related to iptables (or other) then you have a firewall |
| 11:17.41 | markit | google and you will discover that is not a firewall issue |
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| 11:18.03 | nadu | anybody listeneing |
| 11:18.54 | shtrb | nadu , or nobody have anything good to say to you , try apropos subject |
| 11:19.11 | nadu | man gcc No manual entry for gcc See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available. |
| 11:19.19 | nadu | this is what i get |
| 11:19.28 | grawity | markit: tbh, ping has had special settings set on it since day one – normal programs could never do what it needs to do |
| 11:19.29 | TomTomTosch | nadu, install gcc-doc. |
| 11:19.41 | nadu | how to /tomm |
| 11:19.45 | dutchfish | nadu, aptitude search gcc | grep doc |
| 11:19.54 | grawity | markit: and the most common problem is that those settings (setuid or capabilities) get reset |
| 11:20.17 | grawity | markit: e.g. due to copying /bin to a new disk the wrong way |
| 11:20.18 | dutchfish | nadu, there are more then one version of the doc |
| 11:20.26 | nadu | yes isaw |
| 11:20.42 | nadu | them how to remove them |
| 11:20.46 | markit | wondering why now it works, since the file has same size and permissions, and there are no sudoes there |
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| 11:21.58 | grawity | markit: run `getcap /bin/ping` |
| 11:21.59 | dutchfish | nadu, well, you install or remove packages for doc's as any other package, with either apt-get or apatiude, see there manpages |
| 11:22.14 | dutchfish | s/apatiude/aptitude |
| 11:23.10 | dutchfish | nadu, example: aptitude remove gcc-4.8-doc |
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| 11:24.06 | markit | grawity: I'm reading a raspberry pi thread with this problem, never heard of "getcap" stuff. /bin/ping = cap_net_raw+ep |
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| 11:24.43 | grawity | markit: it's like setuid, but a bit more specific |
| 11:25.00 | grawity | i.e. setuid gives full root rights to the program, but capabilities only give that specific access |
| 11:25.09 | grawity | raw network packet access in this case |
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| 11:26.03 | markit | grawity: thanks a lot, I was very upset for this change (i.e. it breaks BackupPC functionality, and on their ML there are bad solutions, like provide higher privileges to "backupc" user) |
| 11:26.20 | markit | grawity: but why reinstalling that package solved? |
| 11:26.33 | grawity | because it's *not* a change that debian made |
| 11:26.36 | markit | was ping from a different package, before? |
| 11:26.51 | nadu | nothings |
| 11:27.10 | TomTomTosch | nadu, in jessie, if you install gcc-doc it will pull gcc-4.9-doc and allow you to do man gcc. else you have to call it with man gcc-4.9 |
| 11:27.11 | nadu | man 7 undocumented |
| 11:27.28 | TomTomTosch | nadu, you are still missing gcc-doc |
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| 11:27.44 | nadu | how to install |
| 11:27.48 | nadu | gcc doc |
| 11:28.00 | TomTomTosch | nadu, apt-get install gcc-doc |
| 11:28.11 | markit | ok, thanks A LOT for the explainations |
| 11:28.25 | nadu | E: Package 'gcc-doc' has no installation candidate |
| 11:28.27 | TomTomTosch | nadu, if you want it for gcc-4.9 that is. |
| 11:28.28 | nadu | error |
| 11:28.34 | dutchfish | nadu, there is no man for gcc, it would be to big, instead you can install the docs, as already explained |
| 11:28.50 | TomTomTosch | nadu, what debian version are you using? |
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| 11:29.17 | nadu | 1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) |
| 11:29.57 | nadu | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: gcc-4.9-doc : Depends: gcc-doc-base (>= 4.1.1.nf3-1) but it is not installable E: Unable to corr |
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| 11:30.20 | nadu | help |
| 11:30.27 | TomTomTosch | nadu, post your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 11:30.33 | Amun_Ra | nadu: you have to have "contrib" in sources.list |
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| 11:30.55 | Amun_Ra | or "non-free", depending on the distro |
| 11:31.45 | TomTomTosch | !tell nadu about contrib |
| 11:32.08 | nadu | # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20150908-22:02]/ jessie main # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20150908-22:02]/ jessie main # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: deb-src http://securit |
| 11:32.25 | TomTomTosch | nadu, stop pasting stuff into the chat please. |
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| 11:32.43 | nadu | tthis is my source.list |
| 11:32.51 | TomTomTosch | nadu, http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 11:33.30 | nadu | : paste.debian.net/plain/409428 |
| 11:33.34 | nadu | i have pastes |
| 11:33.43 | TomTomTosch | i have sees. |
| 11:33.52 | nadu | http:// paste.debian.net/plain/409428 |
| 11:34.21 | Amun_Ra | nadu: long story short - add "contrib" after "non-free" |
| 11:34.39 | TomTomTosch | !tell nadu about sources.list |
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| 11:35.14 | nadu | what to tewll |
| 11:35.15 | nadu | what to tell |
| 11:35.23 | TomTomTosch | nadu, read what the bot sent you, fix your sources.list and do what Amun_Ra said. then install gcc-doc |
| 11:35.27 | Amun_Ra | some day I have to memorize bot's commands and topics |
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| 11:36.04 | TomTomTosch | Amun_Ra, it kinda sticks if you read it ten times a day x) |
| 11:36.08 | Amun_Ra | :P |
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| 11:37.38 | TomTomTosch | nadu, in your sources.list, where it says deb-src, turn that into deb then add contrib after all three main. then apt-get update. then install gcc-doc. |
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| 12:22.04 | jubo2 | just heard from a friend in diaspora* that http://consumium.org shows the Apache2 default landing page |
| 12:22.19 | jubo2 | what is the best way to make that redirect to https://c.consumium.org ? |
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| 12:22.48 | jubo2 | I got sudo rights so there are many alternatives |
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| 12:31.35 | dutchfish | jubo2, well, dont use the apache2 default site, make your own, but simplest is within the virtual host stansa to make a redirect like `Redirect / http://sub.domain.tld` |
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| 12:32.41 | dutchfish | jubo2, there are more possibilities, however. read the apache2 docs |
| 12:33.03 | jubo2 | dutchfish: I do that |
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| 12:37.03 | jubo2 | hmm.. doesn't seem to take effect |
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| 12:37.26 | jubo2 | I need to reload the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/001-sites ? |
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| 12:37.53 | jubo2 | I /j #apache |
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| 12:39.04 | Amun_Ra | or google:// for apache http to https redirect |
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| 12:39.59 | dutchfish | jubo2, normally systemctl reload apache2 ? |
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| 12:40.22 | jubo2 | ok |
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| 12:40.57 | dutchfish | jubo2, you also need a virtualhost stansa for that sub.domain.tld if it resides on the same machine |
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| 12:42.27 | jubo2 | uh oh |
| 12:42.27 | jubo2 | the redirect broke |
| 12:42.37 | jubo2 | something with having rewrite on |
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| 12:43.55 | dutchfish | jubo2, see http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_rewrite.html |
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| 12:46.19 | dutchfish | jubo2, since i dont know how that sub was configured, probably with mod_rewrite to developer or something |
| 12:46.53 | dutchfish | jubo2, does that ring a bell? |
| 12:46.54 | jubo2 | dutchfish: It's got the rewrite stuff to make pretty URLs with MediaWiki |
| 12:47.03 | dutchfish | jubo2, ah ok |
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| 12:52.51 | dutchfish | jubo2, seams you got it going now? |
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| 12:56.15 | efrahim | The disks where working before reboot. Could it be that update-initramfs did something? Can I rebuild the initramfs with disks unmounted to get rid of the errors? (how do I do this?) |
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| 12:58.03 | Pr0metheus | hi, i am connected to the internet over a dsl-router, but in the network manager plugin of kde i don't see the connection. When i click on edit connections, there is no connection shown! This causes problems to other apps that believe i am offline. Any idea how to fix this? |
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| 12:59.53 | dutchfish | efrahim, some reported simular, fix was to boot once with the old kernel, which fixes the initramfs, see: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/04/msg01676.html |
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| 13:00.21 | dutchfish | efrahim, not sure, if this is exactly what you reported |
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| 13:01.19 | efrahim | dutchfish: Thanks, will take a look at that. |
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| 13:04.32 | TomTomTosch | Pr0metheus, /sbin/ifconfig shows your device and it has an ip? what does ping google.com say? |
| 13:04.48 | RoyK | ip a |
| 13:04.52 | RoyK | also works |
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| 13:05.18 | RoyK | TomTomTosch: ifconfig is the old way ;) |
| 13:06.08 | TomTomTosch | yeye, show off with your newfangled ways :P |
| 13:06.22 | RoyK | TomTomTosch: ip addr list (or just ip addr, since list is default (or ip a, since arguments can be abbreviated)) |
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| 13:07.18 | Pr0metheus | TomTomTosch: ping goolge works , ifconfig shows two interfaces the ethernet and a loopback |
| 13:07.18 | RoyK | TomTomTosch: on rhel7, ifconfig isn't even installed by default |
| 13:07.29 | efrahim | dutchfish: I seem to only have one kernel in the grub emnu when I reboot (the default one, then there is one marked advanced, then only memtest entries). No old wheezy one it seems. |
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| 13:08.23 | TomTomTosch | RoyK, man, i know about ip. i like the output of ifconfig better that's why i will keep using it ;D |
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| 13:08.57 | efrahim | dutchfish: oh, might just be that it is not there in the grub menu. nvm. |
| 13:09.08 | RoyK | TomTomTosch: np ;) |
| 13:09.34 | Pr0metheus | TomTomTosch: if i type nmcli c -> No device is listed, it seems like network manager is not aware of my connection |
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| 13:11.05 | TomTomTosch | Pr0metheus, probably because you have it listed in /etc/network/interfaces which is fine, personally i don't like using nm. |
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| 13:11.48 | TomTomTosch | RoyK, you are right though :P |
| 13:11.51 | Pr0metheus | TomTomTosch: if i uninstall network manager, will evolution see me online? |
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| 13:12.10 | Pr0metheus | TomTomTosch: and another clue: if i type nmcli g -> it says State Connected, Connectivity none, WIFI-HW enabled WIFI disabled WWAN-HW enabled WWAN disabled |
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| 13:12.41 | RoyK | TomTomTosch: and about output format, you're quite right as well ;) |
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| 13:14.36 | TomTomTosch | Pr0metheus, it should not matter to evolution if you use nm or not. you obviously have a connection if ping works. |
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| 13:15.52 | Pr0metheus | TomTomTosch: Evolution says: Evolution is currently offline due to a network outage Evolution will return to online mode once a network connection is established and in the FAQ it says that the network is not properly configured when this msg appears and you are indeed connected to the internet |
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| 13:17.14 | TomTomTosch | Pr0metheus, sorry, i've never used evolution. maybe someone else here will know more. |
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| 13:17.40 | Pr0metheus | TomTomTosch: ok thanks for your help though |
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| 13:19.48 | Pr0metheus | TomTomTosch: you gave me the solution though by pointing that /etc/network/interfaces has my connection, i googled network manager and the path and found a debian page saying that network manager does not manage wired connections after Debian v6 |
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| 13:43.19 | awal1 | Any audio/video/webcam broadcaster software available in Debian? |
| 13:44.19 | awal1 | Looking something similar to 'xplit broadcaster' / 'openbroadcaster' |
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| 13:45.14 | awal1 | Searched repositories but not chance; i may have lost something somewhere... |
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| 13:45.30 | karlpinc | !tell awal1 about search |
| 13:45.45 | karlpinc | awal1: I like debtags for searching. There's a web interface too, I think. |
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| 13:46.04 | teraflops | with ffmpeg you can do it. the same with vlc |
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| 13:46.18 | karlpinc | awal1: I know that icecast does some kind of broadcasting. But really have no clue. |
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| 13:47.29 | teraflops | you can with icecast too, but icecast only serves the video |
| 13:47.55 | awal1 | yeah guys, vlc & ffmpeg can do something but really limited |
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| 13:48.04 | teraflops | awal1: define limited |
| 13:48.29 | awal1 | icecast too. |
| 13:48.31 | awal1 | limited? |
| 13:48.37 | teraflops | limited as in no http://myvideo? |
| 13:49.12 | MisterGadfly | LightDM isn't running my .xsession. Anyone know why? I'm using awesome. |
| 13:49.13 | awal1 | hm so have only limited features, broadcast audio or pre-recorded stuff |
| 13:49.38 | teraflops | yeah define limited because unicast/multicast ot piping to icecast for serving it via http does not seem limited to me at all |
| 13:50.13 | teraflops | awal1: nope, with ffmpg you serve live video/audio |
| 13:50.53 | awal1 | teraflops, no limited for normal usage; i believe that by "limited" I was comparing with what xsplit broadcaster, for example, can do |
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| 13:50.57 | MisterGadfly | My .xsession has +x http://sprunge.us/RIRh |
| 13:51.08 | awal1 | can stream webcam? |
| 13:51.19 | teraflops | anyways I pointed to what i know, sure there are more "less-limited" solutions |
| 13:51.28 | teraflops | awal1: why not? |
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| 13:52.29 | awal1 | teraflops, I dont know, asking if it can do that. have searched man and web before asking and seems that all those packages doesn't stream live webcam recording. |
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| 13:53.26 | teraflops | awal1: yes you can stream the webcam live video e.g using v4l2-ctl + avconv/ffmpeg |
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| 13:54.51 | teraflops | awal1: then you can pipe to e.g rtp |
| 13:54.52 | awal1 | teraflops, maybe yeah. ok, I'll search about that heavily again. thanks |
| 13:55.00 | teraflops | awal1: np |
| 13:55.15 | awal1 | ;) |
| 13:56.06 | teraflops | awal1: as I said that's what I know, maybe there is a "packaged" solution for doing it, idk |
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| 13:57.07 | teraflops | awal1: some google fu, ffmpeg unicast multicast webcam |
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| 14:01.05 | awal1 | the feature xsplit broadcaster have and i dont know if someday I can achieve it with vlc, ffmpeg... is that 'xsplit broadcaster' can record in real time what happens in Desktop 1 or part of that desktop and broadcast it to X websit while the user is in desktop 2, 3 .... |
| 14:01.16 | awal1 | teraflops, ok, thanks . |
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| 14:08.21 | efrahim | My computer got the following problem after reboot after upgrade to jessie: At the BIOS screen I get inconsistent behaviour; jumps almost directly to grub menu, sometimes takes long time; sometimes detects all disks sometimes only a few; when boot, I get several errors regarding disks (inconsistent on which disk). What could be the problem? |
| 14:09.06 | efrahim | Broken sata-controller somehow? |
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| 14:35.45 | strk_ | I'm using a debian (8.2 I think) on a TV, with mate desktop -- most of the time it's runnign KODI, which has a readable inteface from far apart |
| 14:35.53 | strk_ | but occasionally I want to use other apps |
| 14:36.15 | strk_ | how could I possibly render those graphic apps with bigger fonts,icons etc. ? |
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| 14:36.35 | strk_ | I _think_ I could reduce resolution, but would prefer to still be able to use full resolution when using kodi |
| 14:36.47 | strk_ | what could I do ? using a VM might work, I'd guess |
| 14:37.08 | strk_ | but would be overkill, for a non-powerful machine like this |
| 14:37.13 | Brigo | strk_, bigger fonts? |
| 14:37.26 | Brigo | strk_, btw, there is jessie 8.3 out there :) |
| 14:37.59 | strk_ | Brigo: bigger fonts are not always enough |
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| 14:38.08 | strk_ | I'm using the terminal now, with bigger fonts, and it works fine |
| 14:38.18 | strk_ | but not all apps integrate cleanly |
| 14:38.28 | strk_ | like, right now I'm trying telegram desktop |
| 14:38.40 | strk_ | which is unusable as-is |
| 14:38.45 | Brigo | i am using mate with a 21" monitor with big fonts, right, it's not the same but it's the better i can find. |
| 14:38.47 | strk_ | and doesn't have a font menu |
| 14:38.50 | strk_ | this is 27" |
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| 14:39.06 | strk_ | and ~2.5 meters distance of use |
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| 14:39.58 | strk_ | just found an "Interface scale" setting in telegram, seems to be effetive :) |
| 14:40.19 | strk_ | but still the icon it installs in the tray is too small : |
| 14:40.29 | Brigo | strk_, there is an insteface scale in my Telegram. |
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| 14:40.32 | strk_ | and its riht-click menu |
| 14:40.38 | strk_ | Brigo: yep, just found, read above |
| 14:40.44 | Brigo | strk_, yes, sorry. |
| 14:40.54 | strk_ | so I was thinking |
| 14:41.08 | strk_ | what if I started a VM with low resolution ? |
| 14:41.14 | Brigo | strk_, the gnome3 icons like is a problem, yes, i don't know a workaround. |
| 14:41.22 | strk_ | mate here |
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| 14:43.27 | Brigo | strk_, that's a propietary problem, telegram, dropbox, and so are the proble, lack of right set of icons. It 's their problem, not mate's problem. |
| 14:44.00 | strk_ | the window manager icons to minimize/close/maximize are also too tiny |
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| 14:44.10 | strk_ | that one is not proprietary software related |
| 14:44.28 | strk_ | (btw, I've understood telegram desktop is free software, although I didn't succeed building it) |
| 14:44.35 | strk_ | code is on github |
| 14:44.44 | strk_ | "just" the server side is proprietary still |
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| 14:47.45 | strk_ | in other cases applications are not resizable |
| 14:47.48 | strk_ | for example "DreamChess" |
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| 14:50.08 | Brigo | strk_, that is too aplication own problem, you can't fix it wihtout editing the source code, afaik. |
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| 14:58.14 | shtrb | any debian legal people arround ? |
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| 14:59.26 | babilen | shtrb: https://www.debian.org/legal/ → Mailing List |
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| 14:59.41 | shtrb | babilen 10x |
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| 15:02.07 | minot | What is intltoolize and how do I get intltoolize on debian? |
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| 15:02.13 | minot | jessie |
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| 15:05.22 | Azrael_- | i don't understand one sentence in debian backports. if i run e.g. squeeze, am i allowed to use -sloppy and still have a clean upgrade-path or not? |
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| 15:06.22 | minot | nvm, got it (: |
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| 15:18.18 | strk_ | the drawer app is driving me nuts |
| 15:18.24 | strk_ | it keeps moving components down |
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| 15:44.17 | MisterGadfly | Can someone tell me why I get these failures? I don't have FUSE installed and even have its module blacklisted http://sprunge.us/HTUh |
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| 15:44.25 | veva_88 | !list |
| 15:44.30 | dpkg | veva_88: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 15:44.50 | veva_88 | come posso scaricare |
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| 15:47.18 | MisterGadfly | I don't understand why everything that you install is by default enabled |
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| 15:48.19 | MisterGadfly | Also, are the rc.d scripts run alongside systemd services? |
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| 15:50.48 | James123 | Hello, I want to have a script that runs some time after I log in, is this possible? e.g. 10 seconds after, with root privilleges though |
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| 15:54.02 | Tom01 | Wie 10 sec? |
| 15:54.07 | Tom01 | why |
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| 15:55.48 | James123 | Tom01: I open usually an external device and I want it to settle. 10 secs is an example, could be less / more. |
| 15:57.42 | Tom01 | simply put a wait command at the beginning of the script. |
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| 15:59.58 | James123 | Tom01: Ok, but my main problem is where to place the script exactly! |
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| 16:03.03 | MisterGadfly | So I decided to migrate to Debian when it didn't know whether to use systemd or sysvinit. Goddamn wonderful. |
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| 16:03.31 | Tom01 | You can add it to /etc/init.d or call it from /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
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| 16:07.07 | MisterGadfly | What's the tool to manage which sysv scripts start? |
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| 16:13.51 | Tom01 | update-rc.d script defaults |
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| 16:15.38 | MaBunny | I havdownload the debian-netinst-i386 one and |
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| 16:17.02 | MaBunny | Successfully proceeded to the point where there is a need to download the Gnome/Mint/Cinnamom version of debian |
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| 16:18.34 | MaBunny | Since i hav very low bandwidth,it isnt possible for me to download 700mb of data in one go,though i can download the 650mb i386 cd iso |
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| 16:19.42 | MaBunny | Will i hav to download any extra software on the cd version or does it come with the full software tht is required??? |
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| 16:20.33 | MaBunny | Pls tell me so i can download the required version,thank you :) |
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| 16:26.34 | cdb23ax | hello is it possible with l2tp ipsec to get broadcasts and arp requests |
| 16:27.02 | cdb23ax | i have installed a debian openswan server with ipsec and l2tp and my windows machine only gets a /32 ip |
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| 16:29.27 | Tom01 | MaBunny: Downloadiing the CDs is even slower, because you download a lot of Stuff you don't need. |
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| 16:32.48 | grendal_prime | hey guys |
| 16:34.26 | Pseudo | MaBunny: how fast is your internet connection? |
| 16:34.30 | grendal_prime | I got an issue..im working with rasberry pi's on a huge scale now. I would like to recreate a certain desktop look and im having a hard time figureing out what i need to do this. I like the xfce core desktop because of its speed. Linuxmint seems to have come up with a working combo that i like quite a bit. |
| 16:34.55 | MisterGadfly | Is there a chance of destroying my system if I remove systemd-sysvinit? |
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| 16:35.31 | grendal_prime | i like that simple taskbar on the bottom, clock in the right corner, and the typical indicators at the top of the screen. |
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| 16:36.49 | grendal_prime | xfce does not by default set up like this..im trying to figure out is there is a combination of window managers put together to get this? or is there actually a packge i can install that will give this effect. |
| 16:37.41 | grendal_prime | everything i find on the subject suggests its the debian default desktop look. |
| 16:37.47 | Pseudo | MaBunny: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
| 16:38.07 | dontknow | grendal_prime, right click panel and open panel options. and untick lock the panel |
| 16:38.19 | dontknow | you can move the panel now |
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| 16:47.16 | melt | !amd |
| 16:47.16 | dpkg | Advanced Micro Devices is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of ATI/AMD graphics hardware, ask me about <ati>. See also <amd64>, <coolnquiet>, <k7>. |
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| 16:47.25 | melt | !catalyst |
| 16:47.26 | dpkg | i heard catalyst is those big switches that Cisco makes. They cause me to drool on the spot. For the AMD/ATI display driver, ask me about <fglrx>. |
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| 16:47.34 | melt | !fglrx |
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| 16:47.34 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop of Debian 8 "Jessie" due to lack of EGL support (ref. §5.11 <jessie release notes>), use the <radeon> driver instead. |
| 16:47.45 | markybob | melt: please /msg dpkg |
| 16:47.48 | melt | AH |
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| 16:48.50 | grendal_prime | dontknow, thanks, it seems i can rebuilt it quite simple...im wondering what other things they have to instally fonts and icons wise to get that signiture look. |
| 16:48.55 | Pseudo | !ati |
| 16:48.55 | dpkg | Where possible, most ATI/AMD graphics processing units are supported using the open source "radeon" driver on Debian systems by default, ask me about <radeon>. To install the proprietary "fglrx" driver, ask me about <fglrx>; installing this directly from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:49.04 | Pseudo | !nvidia |
| 16:49.05 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:49.15 | melt | GEE THANKS for making half of all GPUs not work with jessie |
| 16:49.30 | melt | glad i spent like 18 hours fighting with the driver and xorg |
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| 16:50.10 | Pseudo | !nvidia dkms |
| 16:50.10 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 16:50.16 | grendal_prime | dontknow, please excuse im ignorance on this, i have used linux for 10+ years now but i literally have had no need to get so tinkery with the desktops. This client wants....a very simple desktop, and the same one on every device. |
| 16:50.50 | melt | grendal_prime: build an image and then clone it |
| 16:50.59 | grendal_prime | so your advice is greatly appreciated |
| 16:51.55 | dontknow | grendal_prime, are you trying reproduce mint look in debian? |
| 16:53.06 | grendal_prime | melt, yes this is my plan...the problem came in with 4 gig, mini-sd cards. I could not use the default image that comes with the raspbian, so am going to reproduce a striped down version and then clone that image to all the devices. |
| 16:53.27 | grendal_prime | yes dontknow that would save me having to do some work |
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| 16:54.00 | dontknow | grendal_prime, i also don't know how to do that sorry |
| 16:54.08 | melt | grendal_prime: PXE boot would be insanity sauce instead of using sd cards |
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| 16:55.10 | grendal_prime | melt, agreed...unfortunately these devices are quite varried in there location. some are 50 miles from a network and use lte modems to connect. |
| 16:55.20 | melt | scratch tjhat |
| 16:55.46 | melt | yup just use a 8gb flash or something to build the image until u get it small enough maybe |
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| 16:56.07 | grendal_prime | i need them to be autonomous systems. They also have store and forward capabilitys with the data they are collecting in the even comms are down. |
| 16:56.10 | melt | the "master" and then clone it to other cards, change hostname done |
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| 16:56.18 | grendal_prime | we have a surplus of 4 gig cards. |
| 16:56.28 | melt | k |
| 16:56.32 | melt | u beyond me bro |
| 16:56.42 | melt | let it rip |
| 16:56.54 | grendal_prime | hehehe..thanks, this should do it .. |
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| 16:57.33 | grendal_prime | ill look into the iconset and menu settings to duplicate what i need. |
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| 16:58.25 | grendal_prime | the people that are using these are very non technical...plumbers, hydroelectric operators, they like to twist nobs and hit things with hammers. |
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| 16:59.00 | grendal_prime | so the interface has to be very striped down and simplistic...(that was their request...not my assesment) |
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| 17:12.16 | jim | is there something that checksums my executables and later compares the files to the checksums? |
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| 17:23.44 | Amun_Ra | sha512sum and others? |
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| 17:24.29 | ToHellWithGA | i enabled screen sharing in gnome 3 via vino but can only connect via vinagre |
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| 17:24.51 | ToHellWithGA | is there a config file somewhere that can be used to make it possible to connect with a generic vnc client? |
| 17:25.12 | markybob | ToHellWithGA: i haven't used gnome in many years. does vino use encryption now? that might be your problem. |
| 17:26.16 | ToHellWithGA | markybob: with gnome-session-flashback it looks and acts (mostly) like the gnome 2 i was previously accustomed to using |
| 17:26.29 | ToHellWithGA | gnome 3 feels like a tablet OS |
| 17:26.33 | ToHellWithGA | s/OS/DE/ |
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| 17:26.40 | markybob | ToHellWithGA: doesn't answer if vino changed to have encryption |
| 17:26.45 | ToHellWithGA | i'll ask those guys |
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| 17:34.31 | Walakea | how can i download deadbeef player? |
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| 17:34.49 | Walakea | i only found this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=52411 |
| 17:34.58 | Walakea | and it doesnt work for me |
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| 17:39.03 | markybob | ,v deadbeef |
| 17:39.04 | judd | Package: deadbeef on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.5.6-dmo3; jessie-multimedia: 0.6.2-dmo7; sid-multimedia: 0.7.0-dmo3 |
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| 17:40.08 | babilen | dpkg: dmm |
| 17:40.08 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 17:40.12 | markybob | Walakea: so you just apt-get install it after adding deb-multimedia |
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| 17:49.12 | grendal_prime | dontknow, my typical method for the image build is to build them for the smallest possible storage device (in this case, the 4 gig) Then when i have to install them on something larger i just expand the partition with gparted after writing the image to the device. |
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| 17:50.03 | grendal_prime | they will eventually use the 8 gigs, but they are bitchy about the fact that the image does indeed fit on the 4 gigs and they have a box of those on hand. |
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| 17:50.36 | dontknow | grendal_prime, i don't understand what it to do with "mint looking" lol |
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| 17:52.19 | grendal_prime | oh, well they are just familar with it, They have netbooks they carry around that all have linuxmint-xfce as the desktop. Mint is very consistent with the way their desktops look and handle, no matter what the "desktop" is (i know that sounds strange but people are fickle about that stuff) |
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| 17:53.58 | grendal_prime | if these people have to right click the desktop to get an aplications menu, on one machine and just click the "start button" on another..they get very irratated. They are running 4 million dollar power plants and they dont like to spend any time trying to figure out things like that. |
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| 17:55.51 | grendal_prime | across the board identical interfaces is acually kinda difficult to do with comercial perpriatary os.... even apple products can vary work station....linux much easyer to lock down i have found. |
| 17:56.35 | grendal_prime | im just trying to create the exact same look and feel they currently are acustomed to instead of having to retrain them. |
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| 17:56.42 | grendal_prime | I think i have it pretty close at this point. |
| 17:56.51 | grendal_prime | thank you buckets for you assistance. |
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| 17:58.12 | grendal_prime | Let me know if you ever need any assistance with Virtual infrastructure, Dms, Scada, and or Network engineering (im better at those than interface tweeking :-) |
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| 17:58.38 | grendal_prime | I will gladly help out in return. |
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| 17:59.28 | teraflops | grendal_prime: yeah linux mint is very consistent ... being hacked and shiping malware too |
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| 18:01.32 | grendal_prime | You know i have heard this...but i have to tell you i monitor those networks very closely. We have to mirror all that traffic to our NID'S and those networks that are using the simple mintxfce distro are quiet. They have the very least amout of traffic on them |
| 18:02.11 | grendal_prime | it was alarming actually i thought there was some sort of issue with them more than once because there was litterally so little traffic. |
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| 18:04.02 | grendal_prime | It was one of the selling points to using Linux in general at this company. We demonstrated the required amount of traffic to get the job done, and then what they currently had going on ...it was a no brainer on wich was the most efficient. The mint desktop was used because it had such a small install footprint and simplistic desktop. |
| 18:04.32 | grendal_prime | ease of install was huge factor as well. |
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| 18:08.09 | grendal_prime | Ideally something with just x11 on it would work fine. Then the operators would have a laptop and just run the windowing on the laptop...but in the event that there laptop is not in reach, they need a fully funtioning desktop on they remote unit itself. |
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| 18:11.27 | grendal_prime | usually when im working with these sorts of things..i just ssh in and run the app windowed on my local system anyway...but...ummm these guys and running apps on one machine and having it displayed on there local machine...i dont think they can wrap their heads around it. |
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| 18:12.07 | grendal_prime | they kinda get....rdp...but x11 forwarding...naaaa not a chance in hell. |
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| 18:24.06 | xarragon | Hello, I am on jessie with backports. I can not find the bluez alsa module: libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so |
| 18:24.21 | xarragon | And I will not accept any solution involving PulseAudio |
| 18:24.42 | nkuttler | xarragon: that file is not in debian |
| 18:24.46 | nkuttler | !tell xarragon about apt-file |
| 18:24.54 | Walakea | how do i install (and completely uninstall) a downloaded .deb package |
| 18:24.57 | Walakea | ? |
| 18:25.02 | nkuttler | Walakea: man dpkg |
| 18:25.03 | zykotick9 | Walakea: "dpkg -i foo.deb" then "apt-get -f install" probably ;) |
| 18:25.28 | nkuttler | !find libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so |
| 18:26.00 | dontknow | lol |
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| 18:26.11 | xarragon | nkuttler: It used to be patrt of lenny-backports: http://archive.debian.net/lenny-backports/mipsel/bluez-alsa/filelist |
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| 18:26.37 | xarragon | I know bt audiow as rewritten around 2008, what is the name of the new module for alsa bluetooth? |
| 18:26.48 | xarragon | Because my Alsa isntallation is still trying to load the module I specified. |
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| 18:36.33 | James123 | Is a `make' compilation that gives MODPOST 1 modules (I am trying to `make' a kernel module) successfull? |
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| 18:40.52 | lluis | hello |
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| 18:42.46 | lluis | how can i pass the files result of this command ls -p | grep -v / | grep -v \\. to mv (move command) to a directory called result for example? |
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| 18:43.38 | xarragon | Ubuntu also has a package for this file: bluez-alsa |
| 18:43.40 | xarragon | http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/all/bluez-alsa/filelist |
| 18:44.00 | xarragon | That package existed earlier in debian but is now gone. |
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| 18:57.11 | blind | xarragon: from my understanding, jessie uses bluez 5 which has dropped alsa support. |
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| 18:59.07 | karlpinc | lluis: mv $(mycommand) result |
| 18:59.28 | karlpinc | lluis: Maybe ask in #bash for faster response. |
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| 19:04.14 | phy1729 | lluis: what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:05.32 | phy1729 | for f in *; do [ -f "$f" ] || continue; mv "$f" dest/; done ? |
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| 19:10.22 | hexnewbie | command | xargs -d "\n" sh -c 'mv "$@" /target' cherries |
| 19:11.16 | hexnewbie | That's more resilient to filenames containing special characters (esp. spaces), though xargs -0 is preferable. By the way, what was the question? |
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| 19:15.30 | xarragon | blind: Okay, thanks. You know why it was dropped? it is the native linux sound system. |
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| 19:15.53 | markybob | xarragon: not in debian stable |
| 19:16.16 | xarragon | It is the native Linux sound system. It is part of the kernel. |
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| 19:16.28 | xarragon | PA and everythign else is an additional layer on top. |
| 19:16.31 | markybob | it is in the kernel, yes. |
| 19:16.43 | xarragon | And in userspace. |
| 19:17.21 | xarragon | To my knowledge, PulseAudio still uses alsa to write data to the physical devices. |
| 19:17.43 | xarragon | unfortunately, many applications seems to be dropping direct alsa support |
| 19:18.00 | xarragon | Like Skype, which became PA only a few years back. |
| 19:18.12 | xarragon | And now it seems Bluez is following suit? |
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| 19:18.57 | xarragon | Is there a reasonf or this? Because I have run Alsa-only ever since 2.4 and never needed anything else, except for jackd to allow routing for my softsynths. |
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| 19:19.14 | rocketmagnet | gn8 |
| 19:19.37 | markybob | xarragon: you can google why pulseaudio. it's pointless to fill this channel with it |
| 19:19.59 | xarragon | yes, nobody wants to discuss it. Much like politics |
| 19:20.06 | xarragon | is politics the reason? |
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| 19:22.09 | xarragon | To quote your own wiki: "The drivers were added to the Linux codebase during the 2.5 development series and became the standard sound driver system in Linux 2.6." |
| 19:22.16 | xarragon | (for Alsa) |
| 19:22.31 | TomTomTosch | man, listen to markybob. |
| 19:23.21 | xarragon | I'd argue that PulseAudio is inferior in many respects to native ALSA support. |
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| 19:24.17 | xarragon | So is there any official statement on PA now being the default? |
| 19:25.00 | jim | xarragon, isn't skype closed-source? |
| 19:25.04 | xarragon | Yes |
| 19:25.25 | jim | debian can't do anything about that |
| 19:25.26 | hexnewbie | lightspark was PA-only before that. |
| 19:25.32 | xarragon | By Microsoft, which is close to Red Hat, the people developing PulseAudio. |
| 19:25.59 | xarragon | jim: Debian can allow people to install and use the sound system they like. |
| 19:26.19 | hexnewbie | xarragon: Debian not only can, but does allow that. |
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| 19:27.16 | jim | xarragon, absolutely, and, the drivers (and pulseaudio) is open source or gpl/free software |
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| 19:28.04 | xarragon | jim: Yes, this is probably bluez fault. |
| 19:28.14 | jim | xarragon, skype, however, is out of debian's control |
| 19:28.40 | xarragon | jim: Agreed. There is a wrapper for Skype that allows you to use pure alsa though. |
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| 19:29.03 | jim | xarragon, does it work? |
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| 19:29.09 | xarragon | jim: A testiment to the fact that not everyone agrees on PA being the one sound system to rule them all. |
| 19:29.19 | xarragon | jim: yep, I ran it on my old laptop. |
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| 19:29.50 | xarragon | jim: Probably requireas a bit of tweaking to work though. |
| 19:30.02 | jim | so, it's of course a choice you have... btw, do you have to use skype? |
| 19:30.22 | xarragon | jim: I used to have to, for work. Now I don't any more. |
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| 19:30.52 | xarragon | jim: Anyways, sorry to be so abrasive. I will investigate the issue with the bluez developers. |
| 19:31.09 | jim | at least that relieves you of necessity |
| 19:31.11 | xarragon | However, it seems bluez dropped a lot of bluetooth features.. and it was moved into PulseAudio. |
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| 19:31.50 | jim | xarragon, well it's good that we see what belongs to what |
| 19:31.51 | xarragon | So PulseAudio seems to be feature-creeping.. And bluez seems to be removing features for no reason. |
| 19:32.08 | xarragon | Unless of course someone wants to force people to using PA. |
| 19:32.25 | xarragon | In which I case I guess I have to write my own stuff.. |
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| 19:33.13 | xarragon | Well enough complaining. But am I the only seeing this push towards all the poettering software as being mandated rather than volountary? |
| 19:33.15 | jim | xarragon, of course, you're free to do that, and who knows, it could improve the situation globally |
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| 19:35.08 | jim | some people do like alsa... but some do not, and that would include some who are writing device drivers for it, one person in particular would rather write device drivers for jack |
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| 19:36.02 | xarragon | jim: jack is just a sound server like pulseaudio. They both call ALSA to actually output data to the soundcard. |
| 19:36.12 | xarragon | In fact, jackd is better than alsa imho. |
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| 19:36.24 | xarragon | Ehr, wait, jackd is better than pulseaudio I mean. :-) |
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| 19:36.47 | xarragon | It does network streaming and routing, all with less latency and greater control. |
| 19:36.52 | T4ng10r | hi |
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| 19:37.09 | hexnewbie | That depends. Jackd over the network requires gigabit, short cable and no stinking wireless. ;) and you end up switching to PulseAudio |
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| 19:37.16 | xarragon | Both alsa and jack however lacks the polish and userfriendliness of PulseAudio |
| 19:37.21 | markybob | xarragon: this is entirely offtopic. please continue in #debian-offtopic on OFTC if you must |
| 19:37.44 | T4ng10r | how should I mount CIFS network drive so it could be mounted on start? |
| 19:37.48 | T4ng10r | /192.168.1.105/Volume_1/Programowanie /mnt/Programowanie cifs rw,nouser,gid=1003,credentials=/home/user/.nas_credentials,file_mode=0775,dir_mode=0775 0 0 |
| 19:38.06 | xarragon | markybob: Right. But ALSA still is the native sound API on any Linux system. |
| 19:38.08 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: That sounds like it would work. Does it? |
| 19:38.24 | markybob | xarragon: everything linux isn't on topic here |
| 19:38.25 | xarragon | Thanks for listening to me. |
| 19:38.26 | T4ng10r | yes it work, but not from start, and after i sudo mount -a |
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| 19:39.27 | xarragon | markybob: Agreed. I will limit my talk to stuff that is directly debian-related. |
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| 19:39.40 | T4ng10r | evern further - i need to mount it with root, as simple user is forbiden |
| 19:39.44 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: That's pretty weird. It should mount on start. And systemd should probably refuse to boot if it doesn't (or it doesn't do that for network shares?). Anything in journalctl? |
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| 19:40.33 | zerodrama | how do I tell grub to skip one of the PVs on the encrypted VG at boot |
| 19:40.40 | hexnewbie | I'll admit that systemd regularly fails to mount some of my drives (in particular, /home), because it tries to mount it too soon, requiring a reboot. |
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| 19:41.05 | hexnewbie | zerodrama: What do you mean, skip? |
| 19:41.06 | zerodrama | I have /, /boot, /sys, /usr, /var on the same PV and /home on the second PV |
| 19:41.08 | jim | xarragon, that could be... but also, there are direct device drivers for jack |
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| 19:41.39 | zerodrama | hexnewbie: the first PV has a password |
| 19:41.42 | xarragon | jim: Really? Interesting, then I might be wrong. I will hceck that out. Thanks! |
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| 19:41.55 | zerodrama | the second PV has a keyfile |
| 19:42.03 | jim | the guy who was writing drivers for RME stuff hated how alsa named devices |
| 19:42.07 | zerodrama | which is on the first PV |
| 19:42.14 | T4ng10r | hexnewbie: mnt-Programowanie.mount: Mount process exited, code=exited status=32 |
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| 19:42.34 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: Has the network started before that message, or not? |
| 19:43.08 | T4ng10r | hard to say, I'll look |
| 19:43.15 | jim | he just absolutely refused to deal with alsa at all |
| 19:43.18 | hexnewbie | zerodrama: So it sounds like you need to disable that from the initramfs. Perhaps you need to edit crypttab to exclude it. |
| 19:43.46 | T4ng10r | 'Reached target Network is Online' should be |
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| 19:43.48 | hexnewbie | zerodrama: See man crypttab (I only have one crypt device, so I have never disabled a device that way) |
| 19:43.50 | jim | xarragon, welcome |
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| 19:44.55 | T4ng10r | then otherwise - how to make mount wait till network finish |
| 19:44.56 | T4ng10r | mount error(101): Network is unreachable |
| 19:45.02 | T4ng10r | this sugest that mount is too fast |
| 19:45.07 | eic_ | Hello folks, I'm trying to install debian on my laptop, a dell 15r 5521. I have downloaded the testing image from cdimage.debian.org and I have picked the last weekly build. After that I have copied the image on a usb pendrive with dd. When I try to boot on the USB key I see the grub menu that shows me different choices like graphical, text or expert install. No matter which one I select, after that the screen goes blank and the installation hangs after 1 |
| 19:45.07 | eic_ | second. I have googled many times about this problem but I haven't found anything. Does anyone of you experienced this kind of problem? |
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| 19:45.54 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: Do you use network manager to configure network, or /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:46.01 | markybob | eic_: testing support is on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic. but that's not the right way to install testing anyway |
| 19:46.22 | markybob | eic_: the testing installer is just to test the installer. you use stable then dist-upgrade to testing |
| 19:46.36 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: People have come here with that issue before, I don't recall which of those two configurations triggered it |
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| 19:46.48 | T4ng10r | /LENOVO/Documents /mnt/lenovo/documents/ cifs rw,uid=1000,gid=100,noauto,sec=ntlm,credentials=/etc/conf.d/nas.cred,x-systemd.automount 0 0 |
| 19:46.57 | eic_ | markybob, thank you! I'll do that |
| 19:47.00 | eic_ | :-) |
| 19:47.02 | T4ng10r | this I found which point to automount |
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| 19:47.22 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: Ugly fix would be to run mount in /etc/rc.local |
| 19:47.24 | T4ng10r | network manager |
| 19:47.34 | T4ng10r | interface is empty |
| 19:47.38 | T4ng10r | beside lo |
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| 19:48.09 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32873571/debian-systemd-service-starts-before-network-is-ready |
| 19:48.55 | T4ng10r | yes, i faced this kind of solution in other approach (git up on system startup) |
| 19:49.13 | T4ng10r | but what service/system is responsible for mounting? |
| 19:49.38 | T4ng10r | and as you see - this is my question on SO |
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| 19:52.46 | T4ng10r | ok, lets try to removed eth configuraiotn from NetworkManager and try with interfaces |
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| 19:52.50 | T4ng10r | reboot time |
| 19:52.52 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: Ah :) Yeah, well, I don't know further. I just face a similar issue with /home (ZFS), and have seen people complain twice about it here. If IIRC one of them fixed it by just enabling one service, |
| 19:53.06 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: I can't seem to find the log, though |
| 19:53.26 | T4ng10r | is there any other method to test iface/NM configuration without reboot? |
| 19:54.05 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: You'd have to down the network and then put it back up. Not sure if that's a good way to test what a reboot would do, though |
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| 19:54.42 | T4ng10r | /etc/init-d/networking restart do something - but I'm not sure if that enough |
| 19:54.46 | T4ng10r | bbl |
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| 19:57.53 | T4ng10r | i'm back |
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| 19:58.20 | T4ng10r | remove wired connection from Network manager and moved it to /etc/network/interface solved the case |
| 19:58.30 | T4ng10r | drives are mounted at boot time |
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| 19:59.28 | T4ng10r | one more question about network interfaces |
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| 19:59.52 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: By the way, I think just enabling the Network Manager wait service mentioned in the SO post may also fix the issue. (Not certain, though) |
| 20:00.30 | Mikaze | Hello. Installed Jessie by going the blind man's route and hitting "s" enter on the installation screen for an audio installation, which set me up with IPv6 (no choice about that in the textual setup), and then I went and copied over my old IPv4 /etc/network/interfaces file (without backing up the one the installer put there with IPv6 and DHCP). Now I'm wondering how to fix it without going thru a scratch |
| 20:00.36 | Mikaze | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.43 | T4ng10r | Debian on laptop and docking station - how to configure eth0 so it would go DOWN each time cable is unplugged? |
| 20:01.03 | T4ng10r | auto-hotplug eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces do nothing |
| 20:01.44 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: IIRC, I fixed that by installing ifplugd, but I don't have my laptop online to check |
| 20:02.10 | T4ng10r | I write it in my notes and check it later |
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| 20:02.22 | T4ng10r | this name should help me enough - I hope |
| 20:02.32 | T4ng10r | hexnewbie - thank you any way |
| 20:02.40 | mtn | Mikaze, you don't use network manager? |
| 20:02.44 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: Maybe you could try enabling NetworkManager-wait-online.service? |
| 20:02.48 | Mikaze | T4ng10r: Try using `ifdown eth0` before pulling the cable? |
| 20:03.07 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: And then switching back to Network Manager? |
| 20:03.24 | hexnewbie | T4ng10r: That is, if ifplugd doesn't work :) |
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| 20:04.12 | T4ng10r | currently in i3 I'm using script to change multpile monitor configuration and put eth0 down, so debian would switch to wlan0 |
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| 20:04.42 | T4ng10r | as without putting eth0 down - OS would still try to use eth0 despite lack of cacble |
| 20:05.24 | T4ng10r | hexnewbie - so - yes, i'm using your modified solution |
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| 20:10.10 | alta23 | hi, i cant switch keyboar layout on MX15 i edited keyboard and locale bit it didnt help |
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| 20:16.00 | kotten | I have installed a minimal Debian net-inst. How do i edit so i get a some more(or some at all) mirrors? |
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| 20:17.04 | blind | dpkg: tell kotten about sources |
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| 20:17.20 | kotten | blind sources yes! |
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| 20:17.27 | blind | check the PM from dpkg |
| 20:17.39 | RLa | is this guide worth anything? http://tecadmin.net/setup-dkim-with-postfix-on-ubuntu-debian/ |
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| 20:18.10 | RLa | already keys are generated into different files than this guide says |
| 20:18.11 | kotten | blind thank you! |
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| 20:19.25 | RLa | and what's the whole point of dkim? spammers too dumb to configure it? |
| 20:19.43 | RLa | sorry for rant |
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| 20:21.05 | c0fe | RLa: if you are talking about security a lot of stuff is stupid |
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| 20:21.55 | RLa | yeah, it only signs the mail, it does not say whether it's spam or not |
| 20:22.53 | Mikaze | spam-assassin? |
| 20:23.09 | jmcnaught | RLa: because only someone with the corect private key can make a valid signature, unless your DNS is also compromised |
| 20:23.09 | c0fe | RLa: exactly and if you have used Windows you know that Microsoft has this thing about software having certificates. Kicker is that unless you are trying to impersonate a big company like Adobe or Apple then you would be able to get away with it |
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| 20:24.13 | RLa | oh, so this only catches those messages that pretend to be someone else, like paypal |
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| 20:24.22 | RLa | i get lots of fake paypal mails |
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| 20:25.51 | jmcnaught | RLa: there's a wikipedia article about DKIM if you want to know more about how it works. If you're setting up Postfix you'll need more than a tutorial, it's best to spend some time with the Postfix docs so you're familiar with how it works. |
| 20:26.13 | jmcnaught | RLa: you'll want to be able to fix problems when they arrive, understanding Postfix will help with that |
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| 20:26.51 | RLa | yes, i'm reading about those milter settings |
| 20:27.46 | RLa | i already have spf, i though that's enough |
| 20:28.06 | RLa | and it's bound to ip, not some wildcard conf |
| 20:28.59 | RLa | yet google apps mail did not even bother to receive without dkim |
| 20:29.25 | RLa | gmail is fine, but google apps mail is something else and seems to be much much more stricter |
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| 21:10.50 | doebi | when installing debian |
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| 21:11.17 | doebi | i need to supply it woth my wifi drivers because the're nonfree |
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| 21:11.30 | doebi | i downloaded the correct ucode files |
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| 21:12.02 | doebi | and placed them in ANY possible location on 2 usb sticks and it still doesnt find it |
| 21:12.06 | doebi | like, wtf? |
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| 21:13.06 | mtn | doebi, I always use an iso with the firmware: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware |
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| 21:17.40 | doebi | this is so annoying |
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| 21:18.16 | jmcnaught | doebi: if you'd rather not start with a new installer image, the install manual shows you want to do: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 21:18.54 | doebi | i fixed it |
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| 21:19.27 | doebi | apparently the installer needs the debarchive rather than the raw ucode s |
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| 21:19.42 | doebi | but then it just should have asked for it |
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| 21:40.47 | mandarina | Hi everybody, i have one cuestion, if i want to download the squeeze repo, this can be the one way to do that?: paste.debian.net/409804 |
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| 21:41.48 | bazhang | mandarina, you want a mirror of that repo? |
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| 21:43.00 | mandarina | bazhang, yes --dist=wheezy,squeeze,squeeze-lts,wheezy-updates\ |
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| 21:43.20 | mandarina | bazhang, squeeze and wheezy |
| 21:43.43 | mandarina | bazhang, in the arquitecture i386 and amd |
| 21:43.48 | mandarina | bazhang, --arch=i386,amd64 \ |
| 21:43.52 | bazhang | !apt-mirror |
| 21:43.53 | dpkg | apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror of any <APT> source. To mirror multiple architectures, specify "deb-$arch ..." in /etc/apt/mirror.list; e.g. "deb-amd64 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free". Discussion forum: http://sf.net/projects/apt-mirror/forums/forum/197335 . http://apt-mirror.sf.net/ See also <mirrors>. |
| 21:44.20 | bazhang | that might help^ |
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| 21:47.03 | mandarina | bazhang, thaks i goint to study apt-mirror |
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| 21:50.09 | cockroac1 | hmm, somehow it seems a recent upgrade broke perl on my machine, I keep getting errors complaining about "Can't localize lexical variable" even in trivial programs. since this breaks debconf the affected machine is in a bit of a strange state atm. any idea what could be wrong there? |
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| 21:51.33 | mtn | cockroach, which version of debian? |
| 21:51.43 | cockroach | mtn: testing |
| 21:51.52 | mtn | cockroach, best to ask on #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 21:52.01 | cockroach | mtn: aye. thanks. |
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| 22:07.10 | RippyDippy | I think I am making the jump to debian today. |
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| 22:07.25 | jeezy | nce |
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| 22:07.41 | RippyDippy | yeah, looking forward to it, still debating window managers though |
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| 22:11.25 | Logg | I'm trying out "awesome" RippyDippy. it's taking a lot of getting used to, but it feels pretty great now that I'm settling in |
| 22:11.57 | Logg | I was using cinnamon for a while, but for some reason, I got lag spikes of around 10 seconds about twice a day |
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| 22:32.41 | frogdr | How wrong is this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U78iAem3uo&t=1m54s |
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| 22:36.16 | RLa | frogdr, i did not even know that registry was stored in a file |
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| 22:37.12 | RLa | holy f, how many bad dkim guides are there |
| 22:38.22 | RLa | part of issue is incredibly crappy error reporting too |
| 22:38.36 | teraflops | many, in general, "guides" about setting up mail servers are bad or outdated as hell |
| 22:38.47 | RLa | but meh, security and crypto must be always confusing and hard to get working |
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| 22:39.20 | RLa | took 2 hours to debug dkim_eom(): resource unavailable: d2i_PrivateKey_bio() failed |
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| 22:40.10 | RLa | just because first guide mixed opendkim v1 key list file with v2 keys file |
| 22:40.37 | RLa | so it was reading key list file as key file through openssl |
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| 23:20.51 | Maws | To install firmware from a deb package isn't it just to do dpkg -i <package.deb> ? |
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| 23:21.29 | Maws | eventually how could I configure the system to be able to load it (as it seem to fail) (it's a wifi firmware....) |
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| 23:22.40 | Maws | forget it - seem to be working now....;) |
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| 23:23.46 | Maws | MeatHammer, just for the record - got the usb thingy working at last (must have been an issue with the MBR, but to not fu*** up the system I did a re-install thru virtualbox and now it's up running...;) ) |
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| 23:24.19 | zerodrama | do I need /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptroot |
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| 23:34.00 | donofrio | anyone got an lsof command that I can run to see what file is tied to what pid and what is hogging my port 8005 |
| 23:34.10 | guest839429 | Hi, my boot option on efi for debian disappeared, how do I get it back? |
| 23:35.07 | hexnewbie | guest839429: grub-install should call efibootmgr for you |
| 23:36.14 | guest839429 | hexnewbie: I'm currently on a liveusb system, and my disk which needs to be booted has full disk encryption, will it still work? |
| 23:36.26 | guest839429 | or do I need to mount it first? |
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| 23:40.43 | Azrael_- | donofrio: port is available with "netstat -nlp" |
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| 23:47.57 | hexnewbie | guest839429: You would need to start the crypted drive with luks, mount it, then chroot into it. |
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| 23:48.11 | hexnewbie | guest839429: You'd also need to mount /dev , /proc and /sys inside |
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| 23:48.24 | donofrio | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8005 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - but no path to pif file location ;( |
| 23:48.45 | guest839429 | hexnewbie: inside where? |
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| 23:49.56 | hexnewbie | guest839429: The root of the installed Debian. Say, you mounted it in /mnt, you need to bind mount /dev into /mnt/dev, then mount sysfs and proc in /mnt/sys and /mnt/proc |
| 23:50.05 | hexnewbie | guest839429: Then chroot /mnt and run grub-install |
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| 23:55.30 | armin | i build isos for fun and profit |
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| 23:57.23 | hexnewbie | donofrio: That looks like netstat output, not lsof. lsof shows pid and process. Although it won't show file name, as there is no filename associated with the socket. So I don't understand what you want. lsof is the command to list the open files, or sockets, yes |
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| 23:57.52 | hexnewbie | donofrio: perhaps lsof -n -P ? |
