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| 00:19.54 | donofrio | hexagoxel, close but the pid from lsof -n -P didn't give me pid... so cannot cross refrence to file from lsof ;( |
| 00:20.02 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 00:20.17 | Azrael_- | http://pastebin.com/aAaRbLEC <-- network fails but i have no clue why. can you please give me a hint? |
| 00:20.25 | hexagoxel | donofrio: he seems to have left. |
| 00:21.09 | donofrio | I'm still here |
| 00:23.05 | Azrael_- | any idea for me? |
| 00:23.08 | tErik_mc | Hi, whats the difference in-between Debian "LHMP", "squid3", "minimal" ? |
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| 00:25.16 | hexagoxel | donofrio: hexagoxel != hexnewbie |
| 00:26.06 | Brigo | Azrael_-, i think gateway 127.22.0.1 should be 172.22.0.1 |
| 00:26.31 | Azrael_- | damn, right ... testing |
| 00:26.53 | Azrael_- | still same error message |
| 00:27.03 | donofrio | hexagoxel, #facepalm thanks |
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| 00:28.07 | Brigo | Azrael_-, try commenting the broadcast and network lines |
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| 00:29.55 | Azrael_- | Brian-: commented everything beside "address" and still fails |
| 00:31.15 | Brigo | Azrael_-, are you sure you have saved the changes to the file? |
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| 00:32.00 | Azrael_- | i'm talking about "/etc/network/interfaces" |
| 00:32.20 | rodhad | to fix my windows partition now the disk isn't recognized and if I try reinstall linux it shows input/output error, anyone knows how to fix this? |
| 00:32.21 | rodhad | after using Lilo to fix my windows partition now the disk isn't recognized and if I try reinstall linux it shows input/output error, anyone knows how to fix this? |
| 00:32.34 | rodhad | twice sorry |
| 00:32.40 | Azrael_- | this error happened since i upgraded from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 00:35.21 | Brigo | Azrael_-, is there another file in that directory? i guess it is a syntax error, somewhere. |
| 00:36.13 | Azrael_- | no other file there |
| 00:36.19 | mtn | rodhad, what shows input/output error? |
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| 00:39.17 | rodhad | I/O error, dev sda, sector 4 |
| 00:39.32 | Brigo | Azrael_-, then i am clueless, and i have to go to sleep. good luck. :) |
| 00:39.45 | mtn | rodhad, that means the hard drive has a problem |
| 00:39.52 | rodhad | it's dead? because it was working well I could access the disk before using LILO |
| 00:40.21 | rodhad | there's a way just to recover the documents or even fix the disk? or the only way is replacing with a new one? |
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| 00:40.54 | mtn | rodhad, can you access the files using a live disk? if so, you can copy them to an external disk or dvd |
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| 00:43.14 | rodhad | I can't now, LILO messed up with the disk I think, I booted with a live DVD and I throught that was the windows MBR that has messed up |
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| 00:43.47 | rodhad | sometimes it shows some error on blocks |
| 00:43.50 | mtn | rodhad, you can't boot a live disk or you can't access the files with a live disk? |
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| 00:44.52 | rodhad | I can boot, the disk is like dead, if I use GParted it shows the error, if I try to reinstall linux also, also tried the windows DVD to try to reinstall |
| 00:44.59 | RLa | i/o error could be hw issue or some weird bios/partition table bug |
| 00:45.02 | rodhad | it dont detect the disk and is was working |
| 00:45.23 | mtn | rodhad, there are file recovery programs that may let you save some files |
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| 00:45.29 | RLa | rodhad, does it make weird clicking noise? |
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| 00:46.33 | rodhad | yes I think it's because I probably write some command bad trying to fix, I don't heard any strange noise |
| 00:46.54 | RLa | rodhad, was lilo giving warning when writing mbr? |
| 00:47.29 | rodhad | I follow a tutorial and they said it was normally if some error shows up |
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| 00:48.08 | RLa | yeah right, in my case that made system not bootable because gigabyte bios bug |
| 00:48.13 | rodhad | was stupid from my part.. I think that is messing up, if you know something I can try I would be appreciated |
| 00:48.30 | RLa | got external disk case? |
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| 00:49.00 | RLa | i usually fix it with that, it does not try to interpret chs/etc. ancient partition table parameters |
| 00:49.37 | RLa | or try it on computer with different motherboard |
| 00:50.18 | RLa | i have seen modern msi in efi+legacy take all disks and partition tables thrown at it |
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| 00:51.45 | RLa | rodhad, is the current motherboard from gigabyte? |
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| 00:51.52 | rodhad | I don't know to much about it, I got here a old notebook that I can try switch the disk |
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| 00:53.14 | rodhad | if I open GParted it shows Libparted Bug Found: Input/output error during read on /dev/sda |
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| 00:53.33 | RLa | on the new computer? |
| 00:56.03 | rodhad | yes the one that I cant access the disk |
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| 00:56.42 | RLa | put it into other computer |
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| 00:57.10 | RLa | if it's bios bug there is no way you can easily fix it on the original computer |
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| 01:00.27 | rodhad | I'd the change to backup the files when I put the live DVD, but I was searcing and saw that about lilo and tried it |
| 01:00.54 | rodhad | Gparted detects the space of the disk as unallocated |
| 01:02.00 | paludo | Hello guys, I'm having intermittent problems, shutdowns hangs. My current version is *Linux paludo-debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux*. I take the "quiet" option out of the grub default, when shutdown hangs I receive this message: *xhci_hcd ... cant derive routing for pci int a*. Any ideas? |
| 01:02.00 | paludo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:02.48 | RLa | rodhad, do not do anything on disk with gparted, especially anything that might zero out things or create new filesystems |
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| 01:03.30 | paludo | Is that a kernel problem? |
| 01:03.38 | RLa | backing up whole disk image is fine tho |
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| 01:07.16 | abrotman | paludo: USB devices plugged in? |
| 01:07.44 | rodhad | if I try to create a new partition it shows: No partition table |
| 01:07.54 | rodhad | lets see if I can create one |
| 01:07.59 | paludo | Yes, external mouse |
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| 01:08.39 | rodhad | it show some types of tables: aix amiga bsd dvh gpt mac msdos pc98 sun loop |
| 01:08.48 | abrotman | paludo: be interested to see if it happens if you unplug the mouse first. Otherwise, maybe try the kernel from backports |
| 01:09.10 | rodhad | with should I use? msdos? to then make dualboot? |
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| 01:11.41 | paludo | Assuming it is the connected usb, wouldn't it always hang? Sometimes it works just fine |
| 01:11.46 | rodhad | I tried that it shows again Input/ouput error during read /dev/sda |
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| 01:13.28 | sine0 | I have debian on static ip box with rdns myhost1.com. I also have other domains which point to private hosting ips. If I edit the MX records of those domains, 0 and 10 MX the static ip of myhost1.com, will i get the mail sent there, and can i configure the mailserver to accept from those hostnames: someuser@myhost3.com etc |
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| 01:28.32 | tannercollin | how do I check the progress of a backport? |
| 01:28.50 | slucx | I'm running debian sid, and I want to install mysql on my debian laptop, but there is an error: |
| 01:28.53 | slucx | perl-base : Breaks: perl-modules (< 5.22.1~) but 5.20.2-6 is installed |
| 01:28.53 | slucx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.53 | slucx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.10 | slucx | what can I do? |
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| 01:30.08 | themill | slucx: sounds like you are long overdue for a dist-upgrade |
| 01:30.09 | abrotman | slucx: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install mysql-server ? |
| 01:30.20 | abrotman | tannercollin: how do you know there is one at all? |
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| 01:31.55 | slucx | my perl-modules is out of date, it is version 5.20 |
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| 01:32.31 | tannercollin | abrotman: I want to know how far along they are on the linux 4.4 backport, or when they expect it will be released. |
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| 01:33.31 | slucx | dist-upgrade has the same question |
| 01:33.40 | slucx | @themill |
| 01:34.27 | themill | dpkg: tell slucx about bat |
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| 01:35.28 | slucx | themill, what is bat? |
| 01:35.47 | themill | what dpkg said |
| 01:35.51 | slucx | themill, I am using aptitude for my debian packages management |
| 01:36.24 | slucx | themill, I am going to read it, thank you |
| 01:36.50 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 01:36.51 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.5.0-rc4-686 (4.5~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.2-3); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-7~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
| 01:37.09 | abrotman | tannercollin: there's no 4.4 in stretch yet .. so, they've not started yet I'd imagine |
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| 01:38.06 | TomTomTosch | tannercollin, well, it's not even in testing yet. you can look at the status of the testing migration. https://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-latest.html |
| 01:38.16 | tannercollin | alright, thanks guys! |
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| 01:39.12 | slucx | themill, http://paste.debian.net/409979/ |
| 01:39.45 | slucx | themill, there is my output |
| 01:41.07 | themill | slucx: try using apt-get for the dist-upgrade instead. Also, which arch are you running there? |
| 01:41.22 | themill | (the rest of the output dpkg asked for would be helpful) |
| 01:41.35 | slucx | It's running on x86_64 |
| 01:41.56 | slucx | Linux tux 4.4.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.4.2-3 (2016-02-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux themill |
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| 01:43.10 | slucx | themill, apt-get is no errors, inconceivable |
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| 01:43.22 | themill | pretty common |
| 01:43.50 | slucx | I alway use aptitude |
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| 01:44.26 | rabbitear | what makes aptitude better than apt-get ? |
| 01:44.27 | Caplain | FUCK FUCK FUCKING GOD DAMMIT WHAT THE SHIT FUCKKKKKK NOOOOOO FUCK |
| 01:44.32 | Caplain | ../.oh piss wrong channel |
| 01:44.37 | Caplain | DOUBLE FUCK!!! |
| 01:44.44 | rabbitear | lol |
| 01:45.02 | bmoriarty | I have a T440s laptop that came with a 16gb SSD cache in the M.2 Slot, is bcache/flashcache what I need / what I should use it for? It isn't currently doing anything right now and I just want to utilize it for something |
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| 01:45.14 | bmoriarty | (Lenovo Thinkpad T440s that is) |
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| 01:46.40 | xarragon | bmoriarty: Can't you use it for regular storage? My X230 has a slot like that and I intend to install an mSATA SSD, to complement the existing 180GB one. |
| 01:47.10 | xarragon | bmoriarty: Or, well, if you have a magnetic disk I guess you'd want the caching. |
| 01:47.16 | bmoriarty | I don't really need more storage, I'm just hoping to get better reads/writes yeah |
| 01:47.17 | slucx | use for swap? |
| 01:47.39 | abrotman | do you use swap? |
| 01:47.44 | bmoriarty | rarely use all my memory |
| 01:47.47 | slucx | My laptop is also x230, |
| 01:47.50 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: I'd install 'iotop' look for 'things' that use lots of io and put them on there. |
| 01:48.10 | slucx | 16G is useless |
| 01:48.29 | rabbitear | a fast 16G can be used for lots of things |
| 01:48.30 | xarragon | I would probably use it for backup of critical files or for separate encrypted storage, mounted only when needed. |
| 01:48.41 | bmoriarty | I think I tried to put chromiums cache on there, but it seemed to make things worse .. I think the cache is too small to make a noticeable improvement..? |
| 01:48.51 | rabbitear | most ppl's ' |
| 01:48.54 | slucx | My x230 has an 64G ssd on sata2 bus, just installed Linux |
| 01:49.13 | rabbitear | most ppl's 'roots' are not larger than 10G |
| 01:49.48 | rabbitear | 'du -hc -d1 /' |
| 01:49.49 | bmoriarty | would bcache not work / not be a good use of it? |
| 01:50.12 | slucx | It will be turn slow, when the ssd is so full |
| 01:50.16 | TomTomTosch | you can have /home on the hdd and the rest on the ssd. would make for a system that feels very fast. |
| 01:50.27 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: personally never used bcashe, b/c don't have that type of configuration |
| 01:50.53 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: 'iotop' will show you what is using lots of drive i/o |
| 01:51.57 | bmoriarty | rabbitear: alright, I'll check it out! |
| 01:52.37 | xarragon | slucx: Btw, I had massive problems with debian stable's default kernel on my x230. |
| 01:52.42 | bmoriarty | the drive isn't formatted right now, at some point I was trying to repurpose it for linux (it had some windows stuff on it for caching windows).. Do I just make it a ext4 partition like normal? Nothing special since it's an ssd? |
| 01:52.42 | rabbitear | if you do put everything in the 16gb ssd, can always symlink stuff out to hdd that gets too big, as far as TomTomTosch's suggestion |
| 01:53.26 | xarragon | slucx: The USB and bluetooth would crash all the time, had to write scripts to manually reset the subsystems. |
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| 01:53.44 | bmoriarty | If I'm booting off the spinning disk, will there be some overhead of accessing things on the ssd? like ... it's faster but all the OS stuff is happening on the spinning disk, so will it work |
| 01:53.49 | cnnx | i'm getting this message on my debian system |
| 01:53.50 | xarragon | slucx: If you get similar problems, add backports and install that kernel. Improved things a ton. |
| 01:53.52 | cnnx | grsec: time set by /usr/sbin/ntpdate[ntpdate:547] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0 |
| 01:54.03 | slucx | xarragon, I'm running sid on my x230, stable is too old. |
| 01:54.09 | cnnx | but i removed ntp from the boot runlevel |
| 01:54.13 | bmoriarty | ... I need to get a better handle on linux architecture :/ |
| 01:54.17 | cnnx | why is it trying to ntpdate? |
| 01:54.19 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: if you boot from the ssd, you have to setup grub again on it, and also maybe a small EFI partition if you use that .... bmoriarty you want to back, doing all that |
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| 01:54.36 | xarragon | slucx: Okay then you are probably fine. |
| 01:54.47 | slucx | xarragon, yeap |
| 01:55.07 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: but yeah, EFI will be semi-complex, but not too too bad [if you use EFI] |
| 01:55.08 | slucx | xarragon, stable is too old for daily use. |
| 01:55.13 | bmoriarty | rabbitear: yeah, I don't want to reinstall everything / move stuff over.. just want some easy ways to utilize it since it's doing nothing |
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| 01:55.28 | bmoriarty | none of this stuff was covered in my OS class lol.. user space is a whole different world |
| 01:55.42 | karlpinc` | slucx: Because old stuff does not work? What do need in what's newer. (Curious.) |
| 01:55.57 | xarragon | slucx: Well when I run debian I tend to prefer stable, b/c testign and unstable has caused a lot of problems for me before. But this time it was the other way around, jessie has been nothing but trouble. |
| 01:56.47 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: you can cp stuff over, but you have to make the ssd bootable with a boot loader .. I -wouldn't- erase anything off the hdd, until the ssd is booting fully |
| 01:56.53 | xarragon | Speaking of NTP and boot; didn't systemd include some NTP system as well recently, can that be what is running? |
| 01:56.59 | slucx | karlpinc`, xarragon I like roll update, so i install sid |
| 01:57.16 | slucx | debian sid is also stable |
| 01:57.44 | markybob | slucx: don't say that. debian sid is not stable |
| 01:57.51 | markybob | slucx: it's called unstable for a reason |
| 01:58.01 | xarragon | slucx: I used to run Arch Linux for rolling. But I like the packages from Debian, very productive for a work machine. Maybe I'll try sid. |
| 01:58.03 | TomTomTosch | it breaks your toys. |
| 01:58.19 | xarragon | Yeah I tried running testing for that reason. |
| 01:58.44 | xarragon | But then, ALWAYS, some packages would break with deps only available in sid, not testing.. |
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| 01:58.52 | karlpinc | xarragon: I use stable when I want things to just work, always, and not have to mess with it. |
| 01:58.57 | xarragon | And then you were left waiting for it to be solved.. |
| 01:59.01 | slucx | Our server is debian stable, My daily use is unstable |
| 01:59.03 | bmoriarty | rabbitear: huh? Why can't I just format it as ext4 and then copy over the relevant binaries/specify cache directories on it? |
| 01:59.04 | markybob | xarragon: this is why smart people do backports |
| 01:59.19 | bmoriarty | I don't intend to boot from it I mean |
| 01:59.22 | xarragon | karlpinc: Yeah, that's why I chose stable for this machine, it is a work machine. |
| 01:59.35 | slucx | Do not use debian testting, use stable or unstable |
| 01:59.45 | karlpinc | bmoriarty: You planning on getting rid of the regular disk? |
| 01:59.52 | xarragon | karlpinc: But it is also a rather new laptop.. or well, 2 years when jessie came out. |
| 01:59.52 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: do you want 'cache' or it to act as a drive? |
| 01:59.55 | paludo | is there any risk in installing the kernel backports in debian jessie? |
| 02:00.06 | markybob | and dont come in here with testing/unstable help. it's not supported per /topic |
| 02:00.11 | karlpinc | xarragon: Why is that an issue? |
| 02:00.12 | markybob | paludo: no |
| 02:00.15 | xarragon | slucx: Yeah that's pretty much the lesson learned. It is the worst of both worlds. :-( |
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| 02:00.58 | paludo | markybob: have you seen problems with shutdown hanging in 3.16 version? |
| 02:01.02 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: you can cp over the files, they are -only- files, but for the bios to 'boot' you will will have to run atleast a boot loader on it, with debian normally grub |
| 02:01.03 | xarragon | karlpinc: It was "too" new to work properly with the stuff in jessie I guess. But backports solved it. But gave other issues. |
| 02:01.11 | karlpinc | paludo: Not if you get them from backports.debian.org. |
| 02:01.13 | markybob | paludo: not here |
| 02:01.26 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: then EFI adds another layer of complexity to that mix |
| 02:01.30 | TomTomTosch | paludo, what do your logs say? |
| 02:01.50 | bmoriarty | rabbitear: I want to use it as a cache, either as a general cache (e.g bcache), or for specific high IO things.. I am looking for suggestions on what would be the best usage |
| 02:02.14 | xarragon | The only issue I have now is that my external monitor (on HDMI1) loses signal from time to time. Did not happen with stable kernel. |
| 02:02.25 | rabbitear | probably have to read up on bcashe <- i've not used that. |
| 02:02.32 | xarragon | So screen flashes black for a second or two now and then. |
| 02:02.41 | paludo | I followed the instruction on the debian page, TomTomTosch my log says, xhci_hcd ... cant derive routing for pci int a |
| 02:02.53 | karlpinc | xarragon: What sort of backports? The only thing I can think of that would be needed is a new kernel. (Which does not mean too much.) |
| 02:03.05 | TomTomTosch | paludo, instructions for what? |
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| 02:03.51 | xarragon | karlpinc: Just the kernel, from debian's jessie-backports |
| 02:04.01 | bmoriarty | is it normal for the ext4 journal to be consistently using 3% of my IO? |
| 02:04.09 | bmoriarty | "jbd2" that is |
| 02:04.14 | TomTomTosch | paludo, smells like something uefi anyway. tried setting it to legacy? |
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| 02:04.40 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: possibly because its journalling everything thats written |
| 02:04.46 | paludo | TomTomTosch: for backport usage, no didn't tried that |
| 02:05.12 | paludo | TomTomTosch: could be related to external usb plugged in? |
| 02:05.41 | markybob | paludo: you need to use the guides. doing things outside of debian norm will break things. almost every time |
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| 02:06.12 | xarragon | Right, I also have a dock for my X230.. Which might exacerbate my issues. |
| 02:06.48 | TomTomTosch | paludo, easy enough to find out, isn't it? :P |
| 02:07.09 | paludo | markybob: I followed this guide, http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ just installed kernel 4.3 |
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| 02:07.53 | paludo | TomTomTosch: yep, I agree, but doesn't happen always, couldn't figure out why |
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| 02:10.40 | paludo | TomTomTosch: sometimes it hangs, sometimes it doesn't... |
| 02:10.56 | ZodoTurtle | TomTomTosch: I'm back and reinstalled, fresh. I kept my /home Everything else is new. I don't have a desktop at the moment. :( |
| 02:11.29 | paludo | Well I'll reboot a bunch of times to see what happens with 4.13, thankx guys |
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| 02:12.50 | TomTomTosch | ZodoTurtle, well, you should install one :P |
| 02:13.15 | ZodoTurtle | Looks like a lot of things are broken already. Time for yet another attempt. |
| 02:13.31 | ZodoTurtle | Be back in about 30 minutes. Maybe. |
| 02:13.38 | TomTomTosch | good luck |
| 02:13.51 | rabbitear | ZodoTurtle: too many .dotfiles you didn't configure? |
| 02:14.27 | rabbitear | ZodoTurtle: make a new fresh user, would tell you if that was the case |
| 02:14.47 | bmoriarty | hmmm... what would happen if I just cp-d my bin folder to the SSD cache and then symlinked it ... would that break everything? |
| 02:15.38 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: that would work, but, you should backup too .. |
| 02:16.03 | TomTomTosch | ZodoTurtle, just for the record, who are you again? |
| 02:16.04 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: lots of things are loaded as libraries also .. |
| 02:16.06 | bmoriarty | rabbitear: yeah, I would just rename the bin folder probably |
| 02:16.22 | bmoriarty | rabbitear: oh, true |
| 02:16.53 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: sometimes databases are the bottle neck, depends on whats going on.. |
| 02:16.55 | bmoriarty | my /usr and /var is 25GB and 14.6GB respectively, so they cant all go on there lol |
| 02:17.28 | rabbitear | *nods* |
| 02:17.29 | bmoriarty | the most obvious thing I'd like to address is the speed at which applications launch.. in iotop launching an application will spike the IO to 100% |
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| 02:19.01 | rabbitear | 'du -hc -d1 /usr' <-- disk-usage (as in space on the disk) -h (human) -c (count) -d1 (depth of 1) |
| 02:19.32 | rabbitear | usually always want a soft link (ln -s) |
| 02:20.09 | bmoriarty | yeah, I was using ncdu for disk usage breakdowns |
| 02:20.30 | rabbitear | ah, nice, never heard of it:) |
| 02:20.43 | bmoriarty | Just an ncurses ui for disk usage, it's very nice! |
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| 02:21.28 | rabbitear | installing just for giggles .. |
| 02:21.41 | bmoriarty | anyway, how can I figure out how things are interlinked? For example, sure I could move usr/local/bin, but what about usr/lib or share? what about python figuring out where all the modules are for example, seems like a mess |
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| 02:23.24 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: the struction is 'poxis' or am I wrong, thats how it always is, in most unixie systems... as long as you cp the entire directory, AND ln -s (symlink) back to it.. it'll think its all the time |
| 02:23.29 | rabbitear | s/time/same/ |
| 02:24.19 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: paths themselve can be [usually are] hardcoded during compile time on your specific box .. |
| 02:24.31 | bmoriarty | hm, this will play ok with package managers right? as long as I symlink by full directories? |
| 02:24.41 | rabbitear | anything debian does, has been compiled in that debian way |
| 02:25.15 | bmoriarty | Like, it seems like a great way to mess up apt... moving the files it installed |
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| 02:25.45 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: yeah, package manager won't care about symlinks or 'real' ... just that the 'item' exists in that place, that when it was compiled, etc, says it was there |
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| 02:26.06 | bmoriarty | right, right cool thanks! I'll see what I can do |
| 02:26.10 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: apt doesn't care, symlink/real |
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| 02:31.06 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: with directories that is.. I should add .. symlinks will get iffy with files, b/c delete them, then add them [them = a file], then the file is now in a different physical spot... apt will not delete "basic" directories like /usr/bin /usr/lib etc etc |
| 02:31.22 | bmoriarty | rabbitear: yeah, that's what I figurd |
| 02:31.24 | bmoriarty | figured* |
| 02:32.02 | rabbitear | explaining stuff helps me think too hehe |
| 02:32.09 | MarvelDigital | i want to go from ext4 to btrfs, and then upgrade to jessie...is it better to just copy everything onto a new hd that is partitioned to btrfs file system or should i do a completely new install? |
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| 02:32.31 | bmoriarty | rabbitear: yeah, I've been trying to write more to help me understand things better :p |
| 02:33.00 | rabbitear | it does work too irl |
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| 02:33.22 | alive876_ | hi can nyone explain for me vnc "listener mode" , it seems its something you set up initiate in both the client and server , on 5500, and seems to hve something to do with firewalls |
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| 02:34.43 | markybob | MarvelDigital: from wheezy..yeah. fresh install |
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| 02:36.24 | MarvelDigital | markybob, thanks...any particular reason why? |
| 02:36.42 | paludo | My upgrade to kernel backports broke my wireless, seen this through dmesg, http://paste.debian.net/410000/, any thoughts? |
| 02:37.04 | markybob | MarvelDigital: i just tried a fresh btrfs install using jessie lvm encryption and it broke to shit. |
| 02:37.17 | markybob | MarvelDigital: just think that's your best shot |
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| 02:39.08 | MarvelDigital | markybob, sounds good...i was considering a fresh install... this should be fun haha |
| 02:39.17 | dvs | paludo: you need the corresponding firmware-linux-nonfree from backports |
| 02:39.33 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: I used to be a fun of LFS http://linuxfromscratch.org <- see nutz&bolts, but it also sucks up time.. |
| 02:40.10 | MarvelDigital | although, i just hate having to go through the trouble of reinstalling everything from scratch...along with all my settings. |
| 02:40.41 | bmoriarty | rabbitear: is this kernel dev or userspace |
| 02:40.46 | paludo | dvs: just the nonfree version, is there a firmware-iwlwifi version in backports too? Should I install that? |
| 02:41.11 | bmoriarty | I've done kernel dev before, I'm just not as familiar with user space |
| 02:41.13 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: you compile litereally -everything-, from another linux box |
| 02:41.27 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: so you end up building your own distro |
| 02:41.35 | markybob | paludo: yes |
| 02:41.44 | bmoriarty | ah, so you're just doing all the compilations and structuring your folders and stuff? |
| 02:41.47 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: without a package manager .. |
| 02:41.58 | bmoriarty | sounds like gentoo |
| 02:42.11 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: yeah, the thing is, get to see that struct yourself |
| 02:42.24 | armin | hi. i try to use the smooth gtk2 themes. am i missing something? gtk-smooth-themes is installable via apt, but there ain't no gtk2-engines-smooth package. |
| 02:42.30 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: its not necessary, but its good for learning .. like say: sucks up time.. |
| 02:42.31 | armin | any hint? |
| 02:42.36 | bmoriarty | I did arch linux before, but the community isn't great :/ |
| 02:42.52 | paludo | markybob: installed, wish me luck, rebooting again |
| 02:43.03 | armin | bmoriarty: what do you mean by "not great"? they're usually helpful and have good documentation. |
| 02:43.09 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: LFS has their own irc server irc.linuxfromscratch.org |
| 02:43.14 | dvs | paludo: Yes, I just found that. |
| 02:43.26 | armin | bmoriarty: and also willing to help, obviously. |
| 02:43.37 | markybob | armin: apt-cache show gtk-smooth-themes. it shows you that it is gtk2 |
| 02:43.38 | rabbitear | bmoriarty: sometimes they are elitist too, but I just talk on irc for conversation anyway hehe |
| 02:43.46 | bmoriarty | armin: they have good documentation, but on IRC and other places, the community was often very... short? hmm |
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| 02:43.57 | bmoriarty | yeah elitist is a good word |
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| 02:44.47 | MarvelDigital | would 3TB of swap be going overboard...? |
| 02:45.03 | markybob | MarvelDigital: in almost any universe |
| 02:45.06 | dvs | MarvelDigital: yes |
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| 02:45.21 | armin | markybob: it does, but where are the theme engine packages? i found none. |
| 02:45.24 | rabbitear | all group(s) of people online have their moments tho .. here can get elitist also .. |
| 02:45.36 | armin | markybob: also, hi, and thanks for looking in. |
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| 02:46.12 | rabbitear | If I had donold trumps money I'd be elistist too <- okay that was just a joke |
| 02:46.31 | armin | well elitists usually are lazy people. some of them also get offended quickly by people who are so unexperienced that they search help for their initial distribution problems on irc. |
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| 02:46.36 | dvs | !lart rabbitear |
| 02:46.37 | dpkg | hereby declares rabbitear a troll |
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| 02:46.58 | armin | and yes some of that kind appear in #archlinux, but i think that also applies to other distributions channels. |
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| 02:47.54 | armin | i encourage people to be respectful and helpful to others, but sometimes that's challenging with some people searching for help, so i can understand some people refuse to spend time on them. |
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| 02:48.13 | dvs | gasps |
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| 02:48.20 | rabbitear | armin: or anybody #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:48.58 | armin | rabbitear: moving that talk there, thanks for pointing me. |
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| 02:54.23 | paludo | Can't get a firmware-iwlwifi from jessie backports, here is the repository entry: cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/backports.list |
| 02:54.24 | paludo | deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main |
| 02:54.24 | paludo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:55.21 | markybob | paludo: you need non-free |
| 02:57.22 | paludo | markybob: ok, but sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree, installs http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie/non-free amd64 Package not the backport version |
| 02:57.48 | markybob | paludo: no. you add "non-free" to your sources after "main" then apt-get update again |
| 02:57.49 | dvs | ,v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 02:57.50 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1 |
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| 02:58.33 | markybob | paludo: your sources aren't correct. after main add non-free |
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| 02:58.45 | paludo | markybob: got it |
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| 02:59.16 | dvs | and that's not the backports line |
| 02:59.49 | markybob | god i didn't even notice that |
| 03:00.13 | paludo | so, is enough to just install directly or have to remove and use -t jessie-backports? |
| 03:00.14 | markybob | paludo: really read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 03:01.31 | paludo | markybob: I read the page, misunderstood when you sad non free, I thought was something else |
| 03:02.37 | markybob | paludo: so if you have it right, yes, -t jessie-backports should do it |
| 03:04.04 | paludo | markybob: now I have the backports version, rebooting again |
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| 03:06.31 | paludo | markybob: and it's seems to be working beautifully again... so far |
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| 03:07.24 | markybob | paludo: great |
| 03:08.27 | armin | anyways, i still reckon the theme engine files for the "smooth" gtk2 themes are not installlable via apt. |
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| 03:08.52 | markybob | armin: which DE are you using, anyway? |
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| 03:11.23 | paludo | thanks guys, sorry for the stupidity before. so had shutdown problems, installed kernel backports, then wifi problems... now seems to be ok, special thanks to markybob, I wish I could give you some gold ;-) good night from Brazil |
| 03:11.49 | markybob | paludo: i'm brazilian too :) |
| 03:12.23 | dvs | I'm not, eh? |
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| 03:12.33 | markybob | dvs: then no one cares about you :P |
| 03:12.41 | abrotman | dvs: you just need a beach |
| 03:12.51 | dvs | heh |
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| 03:14.08 | paludo | markybob: :D so thanks fellow sofredor |
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| 03:20.37 | TomTomTosch | is still wondering what ZodoTurtle was on about :S |
| 03:21.41 | markybob | TomTomTosch: oh who knows. |
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| 03:23.51 | TomTomTosch | shrugs and goes back to reading |
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| 03:25.00 | markybob | TomTomTosch: stop that. we don't need informed people. |
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| 03:26.59 | TomTomTosch | throws the book into a corner and opens another beer. |
| 03:27.28 | sdk | Is there a way to know how long my laptop has been running on battery? |
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| 03:28.38 | markybob | sdk: upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0 |
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| 03:29.38 | markybob | sdk: that's basically gonna give you all you're gonna get |
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| 03:32.06 | sdk | markybob: I only see the time remaining. |
| 03:32.29 | markybob | sdk: yes. that's all i know. |
| 03:32.35 | armin | markybob: sorry i was reading something and didn't pay attention to IRC. |
| 03:32.44 | armin | markybob: i use i3 right now. |
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| 03:34.23 | TomTomTosch | sdk, you could write a script that monitors acpi_listen and logs when the plug is disconnected. |
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| 03:35.18 | armin | markybob: http://unix.porn/i3.png |
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| 03:35.26 | markybob | armin: my understanding is that i3 uses gtk3, not gtk2. but i don't use it and i'm not 100%. |
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| 03:35.43 | sdk | TomTomTosch: Thanks. I'll do that. ;) |
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| 03:36.12 | armin | markybob: i3 uses neither gtk3 nor gtk2. |
| 03:36.32 | markybob | armin: i don't know more to add, then. i'm still on irssi :P |
| 03:36.41 | armin | :~) |
| 03:37.12 | armin | i3 is just a window manager. |
| 03:37.21 | armin | i use a lot of gtk2 applications in it, though. |
| 03:37.48 | TomTomTosch | do you just want to change the theme? |
| 03:38.37 | armin | no, i want the gtk2 theme *engine* to be installable for the smooth themes. only the themes, that make use of that engine, are installab.e |
| 03:39.10 | armin | my assumption is that there is a missing package in debian. |
| 03:39.34 | TomTomTosch | okayo. i just don't care enough to learn about that x) |
| 03:40.34 | TomTomTosch | i mean, i3 throws most things gtk and qt into the bin anyway. |
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| 03:41.03 | armin | no. |
| 03:41.06 | armin | it does not. |
| 03:43.29 | ZodoTurtle | TomTomTosch: It is a fresh install. And the problem must be the nouveau drivers. |
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| 03:44.36 | ZodoTurtle | sdk: I once made my own battery script that monitored and was able to inform me how long until it expected to be fully charged. |
| 03:44.51 | ZodoTurtle | That machine hasn't been turned on in few years. |
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| 03:46.12 | ZodoTurtle | So, it appears I will be installing the proprietary nvidia drivers. |
| 03:46.45 | bmoriarty | https://github.com/g2p/blocks hm... this seems like it could utterly destroy my system... |
| 03:46.45 | TomTomTosch | well, you are free to do so if you like. |
| 03:47.14 | bmoriarty | I don't want to reinstall everything to get LVM or bcache :'( |
| 03:47.37 | ZodoTurtle | Well, I think I will get some beauty sleep for now. Y'all have fun. |
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| 03:50.35 | markybob | bmoriarty: you want to get lvm without a reinstall? |
| 03:51.10 | bmoriarty | markybob: yes |
| 03:51.24 | markybob | bmoriarty: you're insane. and wife tells me it's smoke time |
| 03:51.42 | bmoriarty | lol, markybob that's what that thing claims to do, and some people at some point had success with it |
| 03:51.51 | bmoriarty | I just doubt it still works |
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| 03:56.15 | TomTomTosch | it has python 3.3 as a requirement though. |
| 03:56.51 | bmoriarty | TomTomTosch: yeah it seems to be broken |
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| 03:58.08 | TomTomTosch | and it sounds rather suicidal. |
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| 03:59.47 | bmoriarty | I envy the people who got it working without problem 2 years ago when the guy had recently made it |
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| 04:03.30 | TomTomTosch | ZodoTurtle, ah, i remember. i thought jmcnaught walked you through it and it wored afterwards. |
| 04:05.29 | TomTomTosch | s/wored/worked |
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| 04:09.14 | Strife89 | Evening, all. I have a question regarding I/O behavior in Thunar vs. a cp command. |
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| 04:11.36 | Strife89 | I'm trying to shuffle data from one USB flash stick to another. Doing so with Thunar somehow resulted in heavy I/O activity on my computer's main disk (an SSD) and slowed the system to such a crawl that mouse and keyboard input took several seconds to get a response. Doing the same copy operation in a terminal window (with cp) does not produce this nasty side effect. |
| 04:11.48 | ToHellWithGA | i want to run a command when gnome logs in. how can i do that? |
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| 04:16.55 | TomTomTosch | ToHellWithGA, one way would be to create a desktop file in ~/.config/autostart/whatever.desktop you can tell it to exec a script. |
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| 04:18.27 | jampola | Strife89: I'd be asking the question in #xfce |
| 04:18.58 | Strife89 | jampola: Fair enough, I'll do that. |
| 04:19.42 | jampola | My first thought though is that You might be able to create a custom action in Thunar that uses cp instead |
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| 04:22.54 | jampola | As a test, i'd be mounting both sticks manually "mount /dev/sdX /path/to/mountpoints" then try the same operations that way. If it doesn't slow down the system, it could have something to do with gvfs? |
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| 04:26.39 | cherry_lin | tried installing cups-pdf on wheezy, dpkg hangs after reloading cupsd |
| 04:26.53 | cherry_lin | can't complete installation and can't purge also |
| 04:27.01 | cherry_lin | hangs in both ways lol |
| 04:27.09 | cherry_lin | any ideas? |
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| 04:29.04 | jmcnaught | cherry_lin: can you make a paste of the error output on https://paste.debian.net/ ? |
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| 04:39.36 | Strife89 | jampola: Yup, it seems like manually remounting avoids the issue. |
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| 04:45.06 | RippyDippy | hey guys, Im on a fresh install but my wireless is giving me a 'device not ready' |
| 04:45.11 | RippyDippy | any idea what that means |
| 04:45.31 | Strife89 | RippyDippy: Probably means you need to install non-free firmware. |
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| 04:46.01 | RippyDippy | Strife89: Im on a Thinkpad t60. If the firmware is non-free then everyone is paying for it |
| 04:46.31 | Strife89 | RippyDippy: Non-free as in not open source. |
| 04:46.34 | RippyDippy | Strife89: oops I may have just misinterpreted your meaning of free |
| 04:46.40 | TomTomTosch | RippyDippy free as in freedom, not graits. non-free firmware is gratis too :P |
| 04:46.55 | Strife89 | RippyDippy: https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 04:46.59 | RippyDippy | TomTomTosch: Ive heard Richard say it so often it should be second nature |
| 04:48.18 | TomTomTosch | RippyDippy, do lspci and tell us what network controller you have. can you connect through ethernet? |
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| 04:51.19 | TomTomTosch | RippyDippy, lspci -nn that is. need the pci-id |
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| 04:55.38 | RippyDippy | TomTomTosch: I just got the non-free firmware I need and plunked it in /opt/firmware |
| 04:55.47 | RippyDippy | what else do I need to do |
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| 04:56.43 | jmcnaught | RippyDippy: why did you put them there? Also there are firmware packages that you can install which will put them in the correct place |
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| 04:57.31 | RippyDippy | jmcnaught: Sigh. I felt like that was the place they needed to be |
| 04:57.48 | RippyDippy | jmcnaught: Its the iwlwifi I really only needed |
| 04:58.34 | jmcnaught | RippyDippy: there is a firmware-iwlwifi package in the non-free repo |
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| 04:58.50 | TomTomTosch | did you put the .deb there? then you can just install it with dpkg -i <package> |
| 04:59.17 | TomTomTosch | RippyDippy, you downladed it from packages.debian.org? |
| 04:59.22 | RippyDippy | TomTomTosch: Yes |
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| 05:02.09 | RippyDippy | jmcnaught: I added the non-free repo and Im still getting a packadge not found |
| 05:02.41 | Rusty1 | apt update , then try? |
| 05:02.46 | RippyDippy | Rusty1: Donre |
| 05:02.51 | RippyDippy | done* |
| 05:02.59 | jmcnaught | RippyDippy: did you run "apt-get update"? If you have already downloaded the .deb file you can use "dpkg -i" like TomTomTosch said above |
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| 05:03.57 | jmcnaught | RippyDippy: most would use apt-get to install it though. If apt-get cannot find "firmware-iwlwifi" then you might have made a mistake in your sources.list, paste it to https://paste.debian.net if you want people to peer review it |
| 05:04.17 | RippyDippy | jmcnaught: Gimme a second |
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| 05:05.15 | jmcnaught | RippyDippy: at first I thought that instead of downloading the .deb you had downloaded the firmware files themselves (not in package form). For future reference if you were ever to install firmware files manually like that, the path would be /usr/local/lib/firmware (see: https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Location_of_the_firmwares) |
| 05:05.31 | RippyDippy | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/410053/ |
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| 05:05.59 | RippyDippy | looking over it I think I see the issue |
| 05:06.09 | TomTomTosch | that's good :P |
| 05:06.10 | jmcnaught | RippyDippy: you aded "contrib non-free" to security and updates, but not the primary reop on line 7 |
| 05:06.31 | RippyDippy | jmcnaught: I saw that the second I pasted it |
| 05:06.40 | jmcnaught | RippyDippy: yeah i was just being slow |
| 05:07.52 | RippyDippy | jmcnaught: OK I feel really dumb. This is what happens when you test out a new distro after a full day of c++ |
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| 05:08.13 | RippyDippy | thanks for the help (and for reminding me to proof-read) all! |
| 05:08.38 | jmcnaught | RippyDippy: no need to feel dumb, sounds more like reading computer docs fatique to me. got it working? |
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| 05:36.52 | ko_lo | o/ |
| 05:37.30 | ko_lo | I'm facing a problem I don't understand, I'm on debian sid, I tryied to install a lib, that failed because of dependancy. so I installed the dependancy and reinstall the lib and it fail |
| 05:37.35 | ko_lo | here is the log http://0bin.net/paste/f0eNwaV843oyJNmO#2Sk9bvupWtvzlqUysd6e8-3VafyvDMzGp/2mc8i2zof |
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| 05:42.33 | veek | where do you specifiy the pppoe cfg options |
| 05:42.46 | veek | normally peers/foo has the pppd options |
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| 05:45.17 | Zipf | Hello there, had an power outage last nite, and my debian wheezy server was restarted. It runs just an ftp on it.. i did and apt-get update-upgrade after it restarted, and how i'm stuck with an error i can't find much about. when i try vnstat command i get "Segmentation Fault" .. i'm not pro with it, i'm just able to install it and run the ftp, anyone can help me ? |
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| 05:47.25 | jmcnaught | ko_lo: i couldn't see your paste because i didn't want to enable javascript. sid/unstable support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (not freenode) however. sometimes sid isn't installable |
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| 05:48.36 | jmcnaught | Zipf: when does the error occur, during the upgrade? can you put the command and output on the debian paste site? |
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| 05:50.57 | Zipf | jmcnaught http://pastebin.com/H5bGLNEG |
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| 05:51.55 | Zipf | same result if i run -d or -m |
| 05:52.39 | Zipf | forgot to tell, the psu from the box was changed during the power outage for a newer and poweful one |
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| 05:54.18 | jmcnaught | Zipf: sorry i'm not really familiar with vnstat, but is there a way to make it more verbose. maybe use strace on it? |
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| 05:54.55 | Zipf | i don't know what is strace |
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| 05:57.36 | TomTomTosch | maybe a apt-get install --reinstall vnstat will do. |
| 05:57.48 | jmcnaught | Zipf: if you run "strace vnstat 2>&1 | less" it will give you a trace of all the system calls, which might give you some clues (or look completely cryptic) |
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| 06:06.06 | joaeos | When building programs from source, how can I build a package from them so I can manage it easily? |
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| 06:06.30 | Zipf | TomTomTosch it doesn't work |
| 06:06.43 | Zipf | jmcnaught i got -bash: strace: command not found |
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| 06:09.43 | jmcnaught | Zipf: it's in the strace package. did you try TomTomTosch's suggestion of reinstalling the package? |
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| 06:11.53 | Zipf | yes, i did try his suggestion, it completed but return the same error when u run vnstat again |
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| 06:13.07 | joaeos | dpkg, help me! |
| 06:13.11 | joaeos | :c |
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| 06:15.32 | Zipf | jmcnaught, here's the log from strace http://pastebin.com/1zbWHLUb |
| 06:15.34 | jmcnaught | Zipf: how about "strace vnstat &> vnstat-strace-log.txt ? |
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| 06:17.59 | Zipf | jmcnaught got segmentation fault with strace vnstat &> vnstat-strace-log.txt |
| 06:18.16 | jmcnaught | Zipf: did it make a file? |
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| 06:19.32 | jmcnaught | Zipf: nothing in your first strace pastbin jumps out at me. the next thing i would do is check out the files that it's trying to open (starting at the end) to make sure they're okay |
| 06:22.59 | Zipf | jmcnaught ok, apreciate all ur time, i'll do so more research |
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| 06:23.32 | jmcnaught | Zipf: good luck |
| 06:25.35 | TomTomTosch | Zipf, what you can try is backporting a newer version. |
| 06:25.53 | TomTomTosch | , checkbackport vnstat --fromrelease jessie --torelease wheezy |
| 06:25.57 | judd | Backporting package vnstat in jessieâwheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy, virtual. |
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| 06:29.41 | TomTomTosch | joaeos, you can do that easily using debian sources. |
| 06:29.52 | TomTomTosch | !tell joaeos about ssb |
| 06:30.49 | jmcnaught | Zipf: it looks like others have had problems with vnstat segfaulting related to /var/lib/vnstat/* which is something to look into. |
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| 06:31.46 | TomTomTosch | jmcnaught, only on the wheezy version? 1.11 that is. |
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| 06:34.48 | jmcnaught | TomTomTosch: i don't know, i just searched and found that others had had problems with the last file mentioned in Zipf's strace paste |
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| 06:35.07 | jmcnaught | i've never used vnstat |
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| 06:35.16 | TomTomTosch | ah. ok. i hoped that you found something in the BTS :3 |
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| 06:53.21 | MisterGadfly | Ok, so I'm trying to do a fresh install of Debian, but this time installing the unstable version. I've downloaded the unstable mini.iso, written it to my USB, but it won't boot off of it unless it's in BIOS mode. |
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| 06:53.51 | MisterGadfly | I got it from here http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ |
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| 06:58.13 | jmcnaught | MisterGadfly: i don't think you're supposed to install unstable that way, you're supposed to install stable and then upgrade. Also you should ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for unstable specific stuff |
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| 06:58.46 | MisterGadfly | jmcnaught: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ#Q._How_do_I_install_.22unstable.22_.28.22sid.22.29.3F says otherwise |
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| 07:00.55 | jmcnaught | MisterGadfly: the jessie installer has uefi support, i don't know about the mini.iso |
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| 07:06.39 | tkl2 | Good morning |
| 07:06.54 | tkl2 | anyone around here who can help me with a little systemd error i got? |
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| 07:07.43 | tkl2 | im trying to sync a profile on system shutdown with rsync, however systemd tells me that the filesystem is read only... |
| 07:08.14 | tkl2 | This is the script http://pastebin.com/cU3urES7 |
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| 07:28.00 | simonlnu | vnstat often changes db stuffs |
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| 07:29.40 | darxmurf | hi again |
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| 07:52.01 | Elirips | Hello. Yesterday the debian installer failed twice, on the second failure I copied the syslog: http://pastebin.com/sa9TNA7T - do I need to be worried that a (relatively new) ssd is just going to die? The failure starts with 'exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen', goes on with ' ata1.00: failed command: FLUSH CACHE EXT' and then tons of 'Result: hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK' |
| 07:52.35 | Elirips | I'm trying to install debian 8.3.0 on the second partition on the ssd. on the first partition is win installed, which is running fine (no disk-related problems (or they are hidden)) |
| 07:53.06 | Elirips | Or could this be some problem between the kernel version and my ssd firmware (its an intel ssd, I think a 5x somewhat series..) |
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| 07:55.30 | ntz | pff |
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| 07:56.39 | ko_lo | jmcnaught: ack, the past is client side crypted, that's why it need JS. anyway I'll ask in #debian-next thanks |
| 07:57.47 | ntz | one Q: (and probably in wrong-channel, #clonezilla is just deadly silent), did anybody recently accessed clonezilla backups to extract some files from there ? I've googled enough but it doesn't work like for instance in here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=872832 ... nftsrestore says not image, after attaching it via losetup to /dev/loopX and using kpartx no partition appears |
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| 08:02.10 | miko__ | Hi. I need a specific version of a package to be installed. I forced that version in synaptic and locked the version. But `apt-get upgrade` still wants to upgrade that package. How do i prevent this? |
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| 08:03.27 | Brigo | !pinning |
| 08:03.27 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 08:03.55 | miko__ | that link is broken btw |
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| 08:06.27 | miko__ | what is version locking supposed to do if it does not prevent updates? |
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| 08:11.37 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 08:11.52 | rysiek|pl | any of you wonderful people use an LSI hw RaID controller? |
| 08:11.58 | rysiek|pl | *RAID |
| 08:12.07 | rysiek|pl | and are familiar with its megacli tool? |
| 08:12.26 | rysiek|pl | I have a RAID5 managed by it and one harddrive just died |
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| 08:13.09 | rysiek|pl | but for some reason two drives are marked as "Unconfigured(bad)" |
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| 08:17.10 | jmcnaught | miko__: try "apt-mark hold" on the package, i'm not sure if synaptic uses the same system for holding back packages as the others |
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| 08:18.33 | jmcnaught | miko__: are you using jessie? which package is it? |
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| 08:20.06 | anddam | is there a zgrep equivalent for xz compressed files? |
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| 08:21.42 | anddam | mmm I actually didn't even check if zgrep supports xz |
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| 08:22.22 | anddam | it's returning 1 so I'm going with no |
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| 08:24.17 | jmcnaught | anddam: "dpkg -L xz-utils" xzgrep is installed by the same package as xz |
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| 08:32.07 | MisterGadfly | Oh man, the reason for why I couldn't boot the mini.iso image was because the efi.img on it was empty. I managed to fix it with this in case someone is curious. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=776317 |
| 08:32.08 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/776317 in cdimage.debian.org (open): «Jessie RC1 amd64 mini image missing efi bootloader»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-01-26; last modified: 2015-04-01. |
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| 08:34.27 | MisterGadfly | The installer also managed to make my USB the root partition somehow X_X |
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| 08:38.01 | strk_ | what could the reason be for "Connect to Server" (mate desktop -> Places menu) to complain "Please verify your user details" ? I'm using SSH port 22 server specified by name, using ssh from terminal works fine |
| 08:38.20 | rysiek|pl | this is weird. the two drives marked as "Unconfigured(bad)" are *good ones*, the bad drive (along with another good one) is marked as "Online, Spun Up" |
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| 08:39.33 | babilen | MisterGadfly: I'd simply use the netinstall image with firmware, but that requires you to use the entire USB stick. Is that the reason why you used the mini.iso ? |
| 08:40.17 | strk_ | neither auth.log or syslog on the server give any sign of getting an incoming connection |
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| 08:40.24 | MisterGadfly | babilen: I already fixed my issue, but I'm just saying. I needed the mini.iso so that I may install sid without having to install stable or testing first. |
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| 08:40.41 | babilen | MisterGadfly: Why's that? |
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| 08:40.55 | strk_ | oh, now got it |
| 08:41.01 | MisterGadfly | babilen: what do you mean? Why I want sid? |
| 08:41.02 | strk_ | dropbear[3524]: Child connection from 192.168.1.82:52938 |
| 08:41.17 | strk_ | dropbear[3524]: Password auth succeeded for 'di' from 192.168.1.82:52938 |
| 08:41.22 | strk_ | dropbear[3524]: Exit (di): Disconnect received |
| 08:41.29 | strk_ | sounds like the _client_ disconnects ? |
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| 08:41.38 | babilen | MisterGadfly: No, why you need the mini.iso for installing sid? (and besides: The way to install sid *is* to install stable (or testing) first and then upgrading) |
| 08:42.08 | MisterGadfly | babilen: because this FAQ said so https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ#Q._How_do_I_install_.22unstable.22_.28.22sid.22.29.3F |
| 08:42.15 | MisterGadfly | babilen: the 3rd point |
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| 08:43.49 | strk_ | from a different path, I handle to get this message on the client: "SSH program unexpectedly exited" |
| 08:44.07 | babilen | MisterGadfly: You can do the same with the other installers. But then, I'd never install sid that way. You *do* want to start with (at least) testing and leave entries for that in your sources.list and install apt-listbugs before you make the jump to sid. sid is also not necessarily installable (nor is testing) which might make this harder. |
| 08:44.23 | babilen | Anyway, I was just curious! Enjoy and join us in #debian-next on oftc |
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| 08:45.37 | anddam | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 08:45.58 | strk_ | sshfs is not installed, if it matters |
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| 08:47.55 | MisterGadfly | Is there a downside to making your user's /home folder of the "users" group? This is how I had it on Archlinux and I wonder if I could do the same here. |
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| 08:49.31 | darxmurf | how long will it take to resize an ext4 from 14Tb to 6.5Tb ? |
| 08:49.42 | cafuego | that makes people's fires and dirs reable by others in the same group, if the permissions are so set |
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| 08:50.15 | cafuego | MisterGadfly: ... abd yes, you can. There's a setting for that under /etc somewhere. |
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| 08:52.08 | cafuego | MisterGadfly: /etc/login.defs I think |
| 08:52.21 | MisterGadfly | cafuego: I was actually wondering if packagers expect home to be of the user's group and that it had to be that in way in order to not break stuff |
| 08:52.29 | strk_ | installing sshfs gives the same issue, server is "dropbear", detects connection, successul password and connection close |
| 08:52.42 | strk_ | client asks for password, asks again, and again |
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| 08:52.57 | strk_ | as if the server never reported success (or the client did not understand it) |
| 08:53.07 | strk_ | could it be a compatibility issue ? |
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| 08:53.14 | cafuego | MisterGadfly: Nope, and packages shouldn't touch anything under /home anyway... but. Stuff like ~/.ssh/ *MUST* be not group-readable or ssh will whine. |
| 08:53.32 | MisterGadfly | cafuego: thanks for the answer |
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| 08:55.01 | nikitasius | hi! did someone have arrarmor profile for teamspeak? |
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| 08:55.07 | nikitasius | *client |
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| 08:55.41 | strk_ | dumps dropbear and switches to openssh-server |
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| 08:58.13 | strk_ | openssh doesn't behave differently: sshd[4771]: Connection closed by 192.168.1.82 [preauth] |
| 08:58.36 | strk_ | can it be there's an ssh-specific config that prevents connecting in some way but not in some other ? |
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| 08:58.51 | strk_ | ie: I can connect with a tty (normal ssh client) but not with sshfs |
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| 09:04.10 | darxmurf | fook, I whould have create an other partition and move files on it instead of launching a resize2fs :x |
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| 09:04.43 | strk_ | logging in ssh actually also fails, but only from a given machine of the lan, not on another :'( |
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| 09:06.21 | JyZyXEL | why hasn't anyone noticed that neither "INITRDSTART='none'" and "START_DAEMON=false" in /etc/default/mdadm don't work in Jessie |
| 09:06.41 | JyZyXEL | arrays are automatically assembled during startup even when 'none' is selected |
| 09:06.42 | humbot | jzk? |
| 09:06.43 | JyZyXEL | (systemd) |
| 09:06.49 | cafuego | You did rebuild initrd right? |
| 09:06.53 | JyZyXEL | and the mdadm monitoring daemon starts still |
| 09:07.00 | JyZyXEL | even when set to false |
| 09:07.15 | JyZyXEL | yes i rebuilt the initrd |
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| 09:07.40 | cafuego | hasn't noticed because he needs it on all systems :-) |
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| 09:07.43 | JyZyXEL | i've confirmed this behaviour on multiple jessie machines |
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| 09:10.17 | JyZyXEL | im starting to wonder if its just better to use sysvinit for jessie |
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| 09:18.56 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | new pi3 released!!!!!!!! |
| 09:18.59 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | wohoOooO! |
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| 10:00.41 | pragomer_1 | hi. I have this problem inserting a floppy disk to my usb-floppy drive: http://pastebin.com/F1vTKuvx |
| 10:00.46 | pragomer_1 | any hints? |
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| 10:15.10 | qis | =/ |
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| 10:25.56 | nkuttler | !tell qis about equivs |
| 10:26.36 | ksk | you could also just download the package, depending on what your needs are.. |
| 10:27.38 | qis | Thanks, but I'll pass. |
| 10:28.08 | qis | If it requires unnecessary dependencies, then so be it. I just have to be careful not to accidentally use gcc. |
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| 11:34.29 | ocx_ | any idea how to make my linux computer as a hotspot in a way that would direct the mobile users to an initial page automatically when the wireless ap is connected to? |
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| 11:36.05 | Ghostbird | Run a webserver (e.g. apache2) on the AP interface, with a catchall redirect? |
| 11:36.15 | captex | pls suggest a guide to optimize debian testing on sst with btrfs filesystem |
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| 11:36.40 | ocx_ | Ghostbird, whats a catchall redirect? |
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| 11:37.00 | ocx_ | i want the user to be AUTOMATICALLY redicrect to his browser, not waiting for him to open the browser |
| 11:37.13 | Ghostbird | That's impossible. |
| 11:37.18 | ocx_ | just like when you connect with your phone say to a hotspot |
| 11:37.20 | markybob | ocx_: not happening |
| 11:37.22 | ocx_ | Ghostbird, it works.. |
| 11:37.23 | Ghostbird | That would mean you would hack his system. |
| 11:37.28 | ocx_ | hein |
| 11:37.34 | Ghostbird | No, it's a feature of e.g. Android. |
| 11:37.46 | ocx_ | when i go to hotels say i get the login page in the browser without opening a browser |
| 11:37.49 | ocx_ | ah ok |
| 11:37.57 | Ghostbird | You'd have to look up how it works in Android, iOS, etc. and make your system work with that. |
| 11:38.02 | ocx_ | i see |
| 11:38.13 | captex | pls suggest a guide to optimize debian testing on SSD with btrfs filesystem |
| 11:38.16 | ocx_ | so in android or ios it is different |
| 11:38.46 | markybob | captex: debian testing isn't support here, per /topic. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:38.52 | markybob | ocx_: yes |
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| 11:38.56 | Ghostbird | I don't know. They could use a standard system, but I think they have both their own system. |
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| 11:54.48 | meth | How to install the latest version of gnome? is there a verified repo that has the packages? |
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| 11:55.21 | nkuttler | ,v gnome |
| 11:55.22 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.14+3 |
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| 11:56.04 | nkuttler | meth: generally speaking, if you always want the latest releases of desktop applications, debian is probably not the best choice |
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| 11:56.27 | c-c | why not just install from testing |
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| 11:56.59 | TomTomTosch | jessie has the same version... |
| 11:57.18 | nkuttler | c-c: because that will break your system |
| 11:57.21 | meth | what are the flaws of testing release? |
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| 11:57.34 | meth | beside does it have the latest LTS kernel? |
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| 11:57.51 | markybob | meth: meth no security support. things break a lot |
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| 11:57.57 | meth | aha |
| 11:58.02 | markybob | meth: no |
| 11:58.44 | nkuttler | ,kernels |
| 11:58.44 | jelly | meth: you can see the state of gnome components at debian's gnome team web page, http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/status.html |
| 11:58.45 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.5.0-rc4-686 (4.5~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.2-3); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-7~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
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| 11:59.55 | jelly | as for |
| 11:59.56 | jelly | !testing |
| 11:59.56 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 12:03.46 | meth | will give it a try |
| 12:03.53 | meth | enabling testing repos? |
| 12:04.23 | markybob | meth: like you just saw it's not supported here...so ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:04.48 | meth | yeah |
| 12:05.09 | TomTomTosch | meth, you probably should stick to stable. as you have seen, testing does not have a newer gnome version. |
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| 12:05.46 | meth | that sucks. |
| 12:05.53 | meth | can i build it from source? |
| 12:06.03 | markybob | no |
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| 12:07.12 | TomTomTosch | i can see nothing groundbreaking in the gnome 3.16 and 3.18 release notes. |
| 12:07.37 | TomTomTosch | but i don't care for gui much anyway, so what do i know... |
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| 12:09.06 | DiamondSword | which one do you think is better, less laggy? 1- installing Linux as base os and using Windows 10 on Virtual Box 2- installing Windows 10 as base os and using Linux on Virtual Box |
| 12:10.12 | c-c | do you *really* need to ask? |
| 12:10.36 | c-c | why would you install ad-ware in the first place? |
| 12:10.50 | c-c | if you must, use windows 7 |
| 12:10.55 | TomTomTosch | DiamondSword, both work, think about what you want to use as a daily driver and choose that... |
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| 13:33.15 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 13:33.28 | ychaouche | I would like to know if I can rescue my system with a netinst CD ? |
| 13:33.57 | ychaouche | or do I absolutely need the live CD ? |
| 13:35.03 | frostschutz | ychaouche, it depends. live cd would be better... |
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| 13:35.34 | abrotman | ychaouche: you can use the installation CD just fine |
| 13:35.52 | ychaouche | installation CD = netinst, right ? |
| 13:35.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:35.59 | ychaouche | ok |
| 13:36.21 | ychaouche | bbl |
| 13:36.32 | ychaouche | will also take a copy of hirens 15.0, just in case |
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| 13:52.27 | ychaouchefromdow | Ok entered rescue mode, now it asks what device I wish to use as root filesystem, sda1, sda2, RAID Array or None. |
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| 13:53.44 | ychaouchefromdow | I don't want to mess up my RAID again. Conext is I have just repaired an RAID Array with some loss of data after replacing one of the disks and then the system didn't want to boot (stuck at grub rescue mode) |
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| 13:54.26 | ychaouchefromdow | What option should I choose to have the "Repair grub" menu item ? |
| 13:54.40 | ychaouchefromdow | (if any...) |
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| 14:01.27 | ychaouchefromdow | ok so I choose to not use any root filesystem, then I was given a command line shell and I tried to mount /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 but both operations failed. The error was : Invalid argument. The command line was : mount /dev/sda1 / mnt/sda1 (after mkdir /mnt/sda1) |
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| 14:02.27 | TomTomTosch | you have a space there. |
| 14:03.27 | ychaouchefromdow | space was just a typo here on my IRC client |
| 14:03.40 | ychaouchefromdow | I am retyping what I'm doing on the server |
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| 14:05.44 | MrDetonia | I just noticed an entry in my sudo logs that looks like "session opened for user root by (uid=0)" is that normal? |
| 14:05.54 | MrDetonia | as in, having no user name against it |
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| 14:06.21 | ychaouchefromdow | Maybe some daemons need to be launched as root |
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| 14:07.44 | MrDetonia | is there a way I can check if any daemons were launched at that time? |
| 14:07.49 | TomTomTosch | ychaouchefromdow -v could give you more info. |
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| 14:08.48 | ychaouchefromdow | MrDetonia, if they are configured to log their start and stop, maybe /var/syslog ? |
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| 14:08.57 | ychaouchefromdow | TomTomTosch, ack |
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| 14:09.18 | MrDetonia | Ah, yes it was a cron job for something |
| 14:09.24 | ychaouchefromdow | TomTomTosch, didn't get any additional info. |
| 14:09.34 | MrDetonia | that's relieving |
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| 14:11.34 | TomTomTosch | ychaouchefromdow, what fs is that? |
| 14:11.45 | ychaouchefromdow | TomTomTosch, it should be ext4 |
| 14:11.54 | ychaouchefromdow | I tried with -t ext4 |
| 14:12.43 | ychaouchefromdow | MrDetonia, if someone attemps to login from outside it should be logged in /var/log/auth.log, with it's IP. |
| 14:12.52 | ychaouchefromdow | it's/his |
| 14:14.05 | ychaouchefromdow | I will reboot on the CD and this time I'll choose to mount the filsystem on either devices |
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| 14:14.21 | ychaouchefromdow | from the menu offered in rescue mode. |
| 14:14.46 | ychaouchefromdow | The goal here is to get the system booting again, and I was hoping it was only a matter of grub magic |
| 14:14.58 | MrDetonia | ychaouchefromdow: yeah I have a few HTTP requests from around that time, but unrelated |
| 14:15.06 | ychaouchefromdow | like grub install or grub update or something |
| 14:15.10 | ychaouchefromdow | or grub repair |
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| 14:21.46 | ychaouchefromdow | Ok so even with from within the menu of the rescue mode I have a red screen with error when trying to mount the root filesystem on either sda1 or sda2, it says : an error occured while mounting the device you entered for your root file system (/dev/sda1) on /target. Please check the syslog for more information |
| 14:22.08 | ychaouchefromdow | I'll try to see what's in the syslog (maybe Ctrl-Alt-F2 or something ?) |
| 14:22.22 | humbot | you have chrooted into the install ychaouchefromdow ? |
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| 14:24.47 | ychaouchefromdow | humbot, yeah that was on first CD boot |
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| 14:25.16 | James123 | On my laptop, is there a way to get a notification when battery is low? I would prefer something that doesn't continuously poll, but maybe gets a kernel notice at some point. |
| 14:25.18 | ychaouchefromdow | humbot, on second boot I simply chose /dev/sda1 as my root filesystem |
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| 14:25.52 | ychaouchefromdow | syslog says : EXT4-fs: unable to read superblock. |
| 14:27.05 | ychaouchefromdow | It also says bread failed (what is bread ? oh maybe b-read ?) |
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| 14:28.49 | ychaouchefromdow | should I fsck it ? |
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| 14:32.07 | ychaouchefromdow | it says bad magic number |
| 14:33.09 | ychaouchefromdow | in superblock |
| 14:33.09 | ychaouchefromdow | I'll try e2sfck with a possible backup superblock (if any) |
| 14:33.09 | ychaouchefromdow | will try with 8193 |
| 14:33.16 | ychaouchefromdow | hum same |
| 14:33.38 | jmcnaught | ychaouchefromdow: is /dev/sda1 an ext4 fs, or is it part of your RAID array? |
| 14:33.55 | ychaouchefromdow | it should be part of my RAID array I guess |
| 14:34.11 | ychaouchefromdow | See I have One RAID array of 4 disks, and one Logical Volume |
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| 14:34.37 | ychaouchefromdow | I shouldn't have any other thing left |
| 14:35.03 | GaryTheSnail | software raid is bad |
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| 14:35.33 | jmcnaught | i don't think you can simply mount a filesystem from a RAID array by simply mounting on of its physical volumes like that |
| 14:35.41 | ychaouchefromdow | GaryTheSnail, I can't confirm this is software RAID. I'm working on an HP server I think the RAID is hardware (RAID controllers) |
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| 14:36.15 | GaryTheSnail | your raid is failing them |
| 14:36.18 | ychaouchefromdow | jmcnaught, so I shouldn't attempt to rescue the OS from within the OS ? |
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| 14:36.28 | ychaouchefromdow | or so to speak |
| 14:36.36 | GaryTheSnail | *then |
| 14:36.56 | ychaouchefromdow | GaryTheSnail, RAID was failing, but then I repaired it using HP tools |
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| 14:37.48 | ychaouchefromdow | In the HP tools it says RAID is fine |
| 14:37.48 | jmcnaught | ychaouchefromdow: no, you should load the RAID array and mount that. trying to mount/fsck one of its physical volumes doesn't make sense |
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| 14:38.26 | ychaouchefromdow | jmcnaught, is the RAID array also in /dev ? and do I also need to use mount or is there another software for this ? |
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| 14:38.45 | ychaouchefromdow | sorry this is my first time handling RAID disks |
| 14:38.54 | jmcnaught | ychaouchefromdow: i don't know, refer to the documentation for your fancy HP raid array :) |
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| 14:39.50 | ychaouchefromdow | jmcnaught, ok, I wasn't sure after readnig you wether you meant "type another command" or try something completely different |
| 14:40.45 | jmcnaught | ychaouchefromdow: if it was softraid i think the installer rescue would be able to figure it out and mount it for you, not sure about hardware raid |
| 14:41.32 | ychaouchefromdow | thanks a lot guys, I'll first try hiren and if that fails too I will have to get the log files / diagnosis report from HP tools and post in their forums and hopefully get a fix within the week. |
| 14:41.35 | ychaouchefromdow | Thanks again. |
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| 14:46.19 | Walakea | is there a way to integrate gnome's multimedia hotkeys (Fn + up, down, left, right) into deadbeef music player? |
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| 14:46.22 | Walakea | i created those hotkeys in deadbeef, but after reboot they work only after reapplying them (normally gnome just tells me there is nothing to play) |
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| 14:55.29 | taavit15 | Hi. I am using VPS and i have a program that needs to save encrypted key to external device (USB or Floppy). My question is how can I make so called reverse virtual device? So for instance i would save this info to self-created USB stick which is actually a folder |
| 14:55.33 | khazakar | Hi all! I have a problem with oFono/Connman,because I cannot send pin to modem to unlock SIM card. I cannot use NetworkManager,because It crashes a lot without any sign of error,sometimes refuse to connect (infinite connecting),very often when It's connected,there's no internet etc. |
| 14:56.18 | rafalcpp | grep core /etc/security/limits.conf | egrep -v "^#" |
| 14:56.19 | rafalcpp | * soft core unlimited |
| 14:56.28 | rafalcpp | and yet after boot the process has core set to 0, why so |
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| 14:59.18 | ksk | taavit15: create a loopbackdevice, mount it, profit! |
| 14:59.35 | ksk | you might want to create some filesystem on it at some point :) |
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| 14:59.54 | ChrisH | Why does systemd complains about a not mounted directory? http://paste.debian.net/410179/ FS and VG are intentionally not active. |
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| 15:03.08 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | someone interested in spectrum2 armhaf packages? |
| 15:03.26 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | i'M maintaoining a repo :) |
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| 15:08.07 | tako | Hello :/ is there any chance to play illegal games on linux :) sorry but in windows i was trying the game before buy and i want to do same in Linux |
| 15:08.38 | tako | i dont know it is legal to ask it here |
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| 15:09.12 | faultline | tako: No, I'm almost certain that we don't assist in software piracy, here. I think that's against freenode's rules in general, let alone this channel. |
| 15:10.07 | ZodoTurtle | tako, you can consider steam. if you don't like a game within a certain number of days, you can return it. At least, that is what I have heard. |
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| 15:10.31 | tako | ZodoTurtle, i dont heard about it |
| 15:11.31 | tako | what evet thanks and sorry |
| 15:11.56 | ZodoTurtle | There are plenty of free games, inexpensive games, sales on steam, methods to earn money steam that can translate games purchased for free. |
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| 15:14.59 | ZodoTurtle | tako, in other words. you don't have to cave to the massive marketing system and buy the popular games. There are plenty of reasonable alternatives that aren't illegal. |
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| 15:18.31 | encKe | morning from ole West Texas : ) |
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| 15:21.42 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | please don't ask illegal questions here! |
| 15:22.50 | blind | Well the question wasn't illegal. |
| 15:22.54 | nkuttler | tako: try #steamlug, and anything illegal is off-topic everywhere on freenode |
| 15:23.50 | khazakar | Any help for my problem with 3g modem and oFono/Conmnman? :D |
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| 15:24.12 | khazakar | s/Conmnman/Connman |
| 15:24.25 | ewew | Hi. Is there a reason to apt-cacher return 404 on security repo ? |
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| 15:25.23 | c-c | khazakar: whats the problem? |
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| 15:26.34 | khazakar | c-c I cannot use oFono/Connman to send PIN to card,which is Needed. it's impossible to remove PIN in mobile phone.How to enter that pin in Connman/oFono? |
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| 15:29.43 | khazakar | I must need that,Connman don't see that 3G modem,but oFono see it easily,but I cannot send PIN(And IKD how to do that) to unlock sim card and be able to use Internet. |
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| 15:30.14 | khazakar | s/need/add |
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| 15:37.30 | grawity | do modems still speak AT these days, or only QMI? |
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| 15:39.02 | khazakar | I have Dell 5530,and It still can speak AT. With QMI speaks Gobi. |
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| 15:43.07 | ewew | Is the chroot different in virtualbox against chroot on physical system ? Apt-cacher seams to have trouble with that. |
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| 15:44.07 | ksk | ewew: nope, should not. thats the thing in virtualisation, isnt it? :) |
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| 15:44.48 | ewew | ksk yes. |
| 15:45.04 | ewew | well i solved the timeouts and now this. |
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| 15:45.39 | ewew | it just says 404 and logs say that there is some problem with cache lenght. :-/ |
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| 15:46.18 | ksk | but cant you just easily check things like a 404? :) |
| 15:46.32 | ksk | why should running things in vbox or chroot make http links not work? |
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| 15:47.32 | ewew | well. im trying to build a system with debootstrap. my next step is to update packages from security repo. |
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| 15:49.17 | ewew | the funny thing is that it installed strace in chroot without a word. |
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| 15:50.45 | ksk | maybe your sources.list in that vbox differ from the ones on the phys system? |
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| 15:51.19 | ewew | no. just pointed to apt-cacher on host system. |
| 15:51.36 | ewew | ksk ^ |
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| 15:59.22 | ksk | no idea bro, sorry. |
| 15:59.54 | ewew | ok. np. probably i missed something or im completly dumb. |
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| 16:06.02 | ewew | now it works. This is mad. :P |
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| 16:06.46 | ewew | or it was due missing virtual fs < |
| 16:06.48 | nikio_ | im getting fatal error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:06.50 | ewew | ? |
| 16:06.58 | nikio_ | i need to compile something with gcc o.o |
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| 16:12.51 | elge | hi there, upgrading a lenny to squeeze, apt-get dist-upgrade says NEW packages related to X and openoffice.org will be installed?!! Why that? I removed and purged rcs for those. |
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| 16:14.12 | abrotman | elge: they're probably just libraries, not the actual programs |
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| 16:14.48 | ksk | nikio_: do an "gcc $something" ;) |
| 16:14.48 | ewew | ksk It now works. Dont know for sure what caused it. |
| 16:15.21 | nikio_ | ksk, |
| 16:15.23 | nikio_ | but i get |
| 16:15.27 | nikio_ | fatal error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:15.41 | ksk | elge: Im afraid not too many people know about the leeny->squeeze path anymore. |
| 16:16.17 | elge | abrotman, thanks. actually, those three openoffice.org pkgs where still there so it was normal that dist-upgrade was talking about those. |
| 16:16.21 | elge | sorry |
| 16:16.42 | ksk | nikio_: i compiled something too some days ago, know that error :) just look in your linux to find that file; eg "find / -name types.h" and copy it over - worked for me |
| 16:17.01 | elge | is there a recommended way to cleanup the system and get rid of graphical tools for server use on old debians? |
| 16:17.07 | nikio_ | seems clunky ksk |
| 16:17.17 | nikio_ | ksk it happens when i compile like this: gcc -D_POSIX_SOURCE -m32 -c foo.c -o foo.o |
| 16:17.17 | elge | when I do remove x11-common and xorg and shit, then autoremove, |
| 16:17.22 | elge | I end up with a system without vim! |
| 16:17.31 | nikio_ | but when i take away the flags and compile like this: gcc -c foo.c -o foo.o |
| 16:17.33 | nikio_ | it works |
| 16:17.35 | nikio_ | strange |
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| 16:26.25 | grawity | elge: install vim-nox or vim-tiny first? |
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| 16:33.46 | blubee | hey guys i am on debian 8.3 with kernel 3.16.0-4.amd with this kernel my bluetooth mouse constantly disconnects when i upgrade to linux-headers-4.3.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 the mouse works but the wacom settings for my tablet disappears |
| 16:34.04 | blubee | is there new wacom drivers for that kernel |
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| 16:38.03 | blubee | is there a reason why kernel 4.3.0 would cause the wacom tablet settings not to work |
| 16:38.13 | petn-randall | blubee: The linux-headers are not a bootable kernel, it's just the C headers so other things can compile against them. |
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| 16:38.46 | DebianLinux | Salve ragazzi |
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| 16:39.24 | utilisateur | hey. My sound works fine, but if I install pulseaudio, the card sound isn't detected (in pavucontrol) |
| 16:39.29 | utilisateur | is there something to do ? |
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| 16:39.49 | petn-randall | utilisateur: Did you log out and back in again? |
| 16:39.54 | utilisateur | yeah |
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| 16:42.44 | blubee | petn-randall: i install the image and headers the system boots |
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| 16:42.51 | utopiah | hey #debian |
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| 16:43.26 | utopiah | can't find a disk on fdisk, visible with lsusb and no error on dmesg cf https://gist.github.com/Utopiah/5088a06956aa9faa3be9 any help? |
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| 16:44.45 | blubee | man debian can be so damn picky and awkward sometimes |
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| 16:45.09 | ZodoTurtle | QMI? Hmm, hand't heard of that. I haven't done modem talk in ages. |
| 16:45.30 | blubee | do you want your mouse or your tablet... |
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| 16:45.47 | ZodoTurtle | blubee: probably want's both |
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| 16:48.25 | ZodoTurtle | I have a debian that doesn't like to shutdown. |
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| 16:49.27 | jamie- | ZodoTurtle have you asked nicely? |
| 16:49.30 | ZodoTurtle | Let me redefine doesn't like. Won't shutdown. I have to kill power to the system to shut it off. |
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| 16:49.58 | ZodoTurtle | I'm wondering what is causing it to hang itself. |
| 16:50.46 | ZodoTurtle | Esspecially, since I am about to do fresh install JUST like it again. It will have the same problem. And I would like to find a solution. |
| 16:50.55 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: are you in jessie? |
| 16:50.56 | ZodoTurtle | It won't reboot either. |
| 16:51.08 | ZodoTurtle | yes |
| 16:51.12 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: maybe it helps https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/#index2h1 |
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| 16:52.53 | JShooter | Hey guys, I´m having a weird problem here. My debian 8 can only connect to the internet through the router. When I plu the cable on the wall it says connecting and never connects. Both router and the wall drop are DHCP capable. Any ideas? |
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| 16:53.13 | fiddlerwoaroof | Hello, I'm running testing and, after a dist-upgrade last night, one of my heads is now reporting its size to be 0x0 |
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| 16:54.00 | fiddlerwoaroof | I have three heads, attached to two ATI boards (a Radeon HD4250 and a Radeon HD 5000): the 4250 is the onboard graphics card, and the problematic head is attached to it. |
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| 16:55.28 | ewew | fiddlerwoaroof If your using testing, then i recommend to join #debian-next in oftc network. |
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| 16:56.00 | fiddlerwoaroof | http://lpaste.net/4149339772629811200 |
| 16:56.03 | fiddlerwoaroof | ewew: ok |
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| 17:07.40 | petn-randall | JShooter: /var/log/messages should have a log of what is happening at that moment. Are you using ifup or network-manager to connect? |
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| 17:08.20 | JShooter | petn-randall, nework-manager! I´ll check the logs |
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| 17:09.39 | ZodoTurtle | Right now, I feel like my move from debian 7 to 8 is similar to an upgrade from Windows 98 to Windows ME. |
| 17:09.59 | blubee | anyone with any tips on sorting out this kernel thing |
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| 17:12.09 | petn-randall | blubee: If you boot the newer kernel, have you checked the logs if you plug in the wacom tablet? |
| 17:12.15 | VectorOne | I like Debian 7 more than 8 |
| 17:12.15 | xVim | ZodoTurtle: I had that issue with Debian not shutting down once too. But it only happened from time to time. I finally figure out (by accident) that it was dependend on whether the power cable was plugged into my notebook |
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| 17:17.39 | koowgnojeel | Thanks you all for Debian GNU/Linux and Thanks Ian Murdock and his wife. Thanks! |
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| 17:21.31 | ZodoTurtle | xVim: different problem. This is a virtual machine in a server. |
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| 17:24.38 | ZodoTurtle | teraflops: Thank you for these informative Diagnostic options. |
| 17:25.28 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: no, also imo omitting that info (you did a dist-upgrade and it's a vm) when describing your issue is a bad idea. |
| 17:25.56 | teraflops | s/no/np heh sorry |
| 17:25.57 | ZodoTurtle | Separate system. |
| 17:26.18 | ZodoTurtle | the dist-upgrade was a different system. |
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| 17:26.31 | teraflops | ah well I misread then |
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| 17:27.06 | ZodoTurtle | teraflops: That is understandable. I have 2 Debian 8 systems giving me different issues. |
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| 17:27.43 | ZodoTurtle | Well, it isn't the kernel. because sync && poweroff -f worked. |
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| 17:28.56 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: which machine are you talking about? the vm or the dist-upgrade one? |
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| 17:29.05 | ZodoTurtle | the vm. Lets call it imap. |
| 17:29.10 | teraflops | heh |
| 17:29.15 | ZodoTurtle | let's call the upgrade minecrafty. |
| 17:29.57 | ZodoTurtle | BTW, minecrafty is no longer a dist-upgrade. I wiped out everything except /home and did an install over it. |
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| 17:30.45 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: what hypervisor/virtualization sw are you using, and which OS/release is the host? |
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| 17:33.14 | ZodoTurtle | teraflops: I don't think the problem is with it being a VM. Shutdowns, reboots and all are find directly after the fresh install. Problems don't occur until all of the several of the services have been installed. mysql, postfix, dovecot... |
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| 17:34.44 | ZodoTurtle | teraflops: Problems occurr after the additional services have been installed. I'm not sure which one causes the issue or why. |
| 17:35.32 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: take a look at the logs then |
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| 17:36.17 | ZodoTurtle | teraflops: The VM environment is ProMox. I don't really know much about the host. I can ask and see. Just don't believe it to be the issue. |
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| 17:36.50 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: take a look at the /guest/ logs then |
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| 17:39.30 | ZodoTurtle | teraflops: what guest log where? |
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| 17:42.19 | ZodoTurtle | teraflops: HyperVisor detect: KVM |
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| 17:43.46 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: did you read the link I posted above? |
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| 17:43.56 | nikio_ | how do i add and chose a custom keyboard layout in debian? |
| 17:44.40 | ZodoTurtle | teraflops: Sorry, I'm not actively asking for additional help. Just reporting what I have discovered thus far per your questions. |
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| 17:45.48 | xVim | nikio_: You modify the keys with xmodmap |
| 17:46.13 | teraflops | nikio_: depends on the DE/WM youre running or if you do DM or startx |
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| 17:46.30 | nikio_ | im using gnome im not sure what yoyu mean |
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| 17:47.05 | teraflops | nikio_: go to gnome keyboard settings |
| 17:47.35 | nikio_ | im there |
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| 17:48.20 | teraflops | nikio_: and? |
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| 17:48.35 | nikio_ | nothing |
| 17:48.39 | teraflops | heh |
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| 17:48.50 | nikio_ | im just there |
| 17:48.53 | teraflops | ah |
| 17:48.57 | nikio_ | what do you expect me to say? |
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| 17:49.04 | dionysus69 | ok so I am hitting this really annoying thing. I put xflux command in .profile to start xflux but it runs twice for some reason and I get double process and the screen flickers. If I put sleep 10 before xflux then it runs only once, then I changed sleep 10 to sleep 1 and still runs twice... why??? |
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| 17:49.27 | dionysus69 | if I leave it at sleep 10 logging in takes +10 seconds which is quite annoying |
| 17:49.43 | teraflops | nikio_: im not expecting anything, if you want to change the keyb layout in gnome, it's done there. |
| 17:49.53 | nikio_ | teraflops, i want to add a custom layout |
| 17:49.57 | nikio_ | and then use that one |
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| 17:50.27 | nikio_ | i already did googling and added some shit to the xkb/symbols folder |
| 17:50.28 | teraflops | nikio_: you want 2 and a way of switch in the fly? |
| 17:50.34 | nikio_ | yes |
| 17:50.38 | teraflops | on* |
| 17:50.38 | nikio_ | but first add my custom one |
| 17:50.40 | teraflops | ah |
| 17:50.48 | nikio_ | but it doesnt show up in the layouts list |
| 17:51.00 | nikio_ | i followed this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Custom%20keyboard%20layout%20definitions |
| 17:51.09 | nikio_ | debian doessnt have such helpful articles unfortunately |
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| 17:54.58 | teraflops | nikio_: you mean something like this? https://ptpb.pw/aYhY.png |
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| 17:56.38 | greycat | dionysus69: How are you logging in? How do you start X? What DE/WM are you using? Most of the ways you can login to Debian don't read ~/.profile at all (only console or ssh logins where ~/.bash_profile is absent). |
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| 17:57.20 | nikio_ | teraflops, i just want to be able to switch between my own custom layout and the default one |
| 17:57.30 | nikio_ | im trying to make my custom one show up in the layouts list |
| 17:57.43 | nikio_ | im following this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/482678/how-to-add-a-new-keyboard-layout-custom-keyboard-layout-definition |
| 17:58.03 | teraflops | nikio_: you did a custom layout? |
| 17:58.51 | teraflops | nikio_: whats wrong with the existing ones? |
| 17:59.50 | nikio_ | my keys are fucked dude |
| 17:59.53 | nikio_ | i gotta rearrange shit |
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| 18:00.13 | teraflops | heh |
| 18:01.52 | ZodoTurtle | teraflops: Shotgun. I'll kill services until I find the one that allows proper shutdown, or refuses to stop running. |
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| 18:02.25 | ZodoTurtle | too many logs to just randomly dance through when I can directly beat a confession out of the system. |
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| 18:03.31 | julius | hi |
| 18:03.39 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: im just guessing but systemctl --failed is a good start |
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| 18:04.14 | julius | on my debian stable, i got a bluetooth device paired with another. but when i try to enable the connection the slider is grayed out and is off all the time. why is that? |
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| 18:04.19 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: also journalctl -u whatever.service, and so on |
| 18:04.39 | PETsounds | Hi, is there something like Blueprint for the next Debian release? |
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| 18:06.16 | ZodoTurtle | Okay, then I might have a culprit. teraflops, thank you again. |
| 18:06.21 | somiaj | PETsounds: what is Blueprint? |
| 18:06.43 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: nah np |
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| 18:07.46 | PETsounds | somiaj: planning, like what the next release will bring |
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| 18:08.56 | somiaj | PETsounds: ahh, well you can actually run testing and see its current state. But until the freeze things maybe in a lot of flux. There is some documenation about goals for the release, but sometimes the when its ready doesn't hit the goals. |
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| 18:09.15 | somiaj | PETsounds: https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/ |
| 18:09.17 | nikio_ | why doesnt debian just have an easy to use tool to add custom layouts : / |
| 18:09.30 | nikio_ | im trying this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/482678/how-to-add-a-new-keyboard-layout-custom-keyboard-layout-definition |
| 18:09.32 | nikio_ | but its not working |
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| 18:10.19 | petn-randall | !doesntwork |
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| 18:10.31 | petn-randall | pokes dpkg |
| 18:10.37 | greycat | !doesn'twork |
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| 18:10.44 | nikio_ | the layout i added doesnt show up in the layout lists |
| 18:10.57 | petn-randall | nikio_: Which desktop are you running? |
| 18:11.03 | somiaj | !ping |
| 18:11.03 | dpkg | Yes, somiaj you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
| 18:11.07 | nikio_ | gnome |
| 18:11.12 | TomTomTosch | did you turn it off and on again? |
| 18:11.38 | TomTomTosch | i mean... you prob need to relog. |
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| 18:13.02 | nikio_ | you always waste so much time when working with linux operating systems |
| 18:13.04 | nikio_ | its ridiculous |
| 18:13.38 | greycat | nikio_: you asked "why doesn't this thing exist"... well, it's because there is a virtually NO demand for it. |
| 18:14.00 | PETsounds | somiaj: yes i run testing but just wonder what improvement will stretch have when it's become stable. Thanks for the link |
| 18:14.06 | greycat | I've been using Linux for 23 years and I've never needed to create a custom keyboard layout. |
| 18:14.37 | teraflops | nikio_: go create a custom windows layout in windows and add it to the list of keyb layouts, then tell us how easy it is. |
| 18:14.49 | teraflops | s/windows/keyb |
| 18:14.57 | somiaj | PETsounds: the link seems a bit outdated and doesn't include any of the stretch goals. I know there are some floating out, but until the freeze starts to approach they may not be located in a single place and you'll have to search though the mailing lists |
| 18:16.17 | nikio_ | teraflops, very easy |
| 18:16.19 | nikio_ | they have a tool |
| 18:16.23 | nikio_ | microsoft keyboard layout creator |
| 18:16.40 | teraflops | ah fine i dont use windows but I take the chance :P |
| 18:17.00 | nikio_ | teraflops, generally stuff in Windows is much faster, things are set up and the OS is easy to use |
| 18:17.08 | nikio_ | linux always needs hours or days of fixing things |
| 18:17.09 | nikio_ | setting things up |
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| 18:17.27 | ZodoTurtle | nikio_: That blanket statement just isn't true. |
| 18:17.32 | nikio_ | aanyways i fixed it, i had to restart completely instead of logging out as advised in the article |
| 18:17.39 | nikio_ | the command they provided also didnt help |
| 18:17.57 | greycat | nikio_: For the ordinary user, it's completely untrue. The Debian defaults just *work* for most people and don't need adjustments. |
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| 18:18.51 | ZodoTurtle | nikio_: Often, In Windows, things are either possible and usually easy or flat out not possible for that OS. Many of those impossible things are either very easy or a little difficult in Linux but possible. |
| 18:19.01 | WebDawg | Anyone know why xe-guest-utilities is not in any repo? |
| 18:19.23 | nikio_ | ZodoTurtle, but overall you need spend much more time trying to fix things in Linux |
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| 18:19.26 | nikio_ | thats my point |
| 18:19.32 | ZodoTurtle | nikio_: I will concede there are numerous things in Windows that are much easier. But far from all. |
| 18:19.35 | greycat | It's factually incorrect. |
| 18:19.40 | nikio_ | nope |
| 18:19.42 | teraflops | nikio_: also it's not my intention to be rude or whatever but whiling about linux does not help at all at least in #debian |
| 18:19.46 | nikio_ | i keep seeing it everywhere |
| 18:19.47 | ZodoTurtle | nikio_: That again, is factually incorrect. |
| 18:19.50 | TomTomTosch | if you don't know what you are doing... |
| 18:19.54 | nikio_ | people keep running into simple problems |
| 18:20.15 | teraflops | people != nikio_ |
| 18:20.19 | greycat | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade in Debian takes, at most, half an hour or so. Running Windows Update after a few months of un-use takes over 6 hours. |
| 18:20.23 | karlpinc | nikio_: That depends on your background. The fundimentals of unix change every 40 years or so. You don't need to re-learn every new release. |
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| 18:20.41 | nikio_ | im an above average intelligent user, and i have seen others like me wasting time |
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| 18:20.58 | nikio_ | i even had professionals confirm with me they prefer just using windows because setting up linux is too much of a hassle |
| 18:21.00 | karlpinc | nikio_: You've probably developed lots and lots of bad habits. |
| 18:21.02 | TomTomTosch | right. lets move on and forget the troll. |
| 18:21.09 | ZodoTurtle | nikio_: Even for a Windows system. Fresh reinstall of a Dell without the drivers can be a nightmare. Even when using Dell's website to TRY and find the correct drivers. |
| 18:21.09 | TomTomTosch | back to topic please. |
| 18:21.17 | karlpinc | nikio_: You're welcome to take it to #debian-offtopic. |
| 18:21.20 | teraflops | nikio_: it's ok nobody forces you to use linux ... |
| 18:21.26 | teraflops | also ot yeah |
| 18:21.30 | nikio_ | actually sometimes im forced to use it like now |
| 18:21.38 | ZodoTurtle | Same is true of any other manufacture, Dell, HP and such. |
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| 18:22.27 | ZodoTurtle | Wow, I just finally realized why Linux people can be so defensive. I've become one from my years of experience with BOTH OS's. |
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| 18:22.58 | nikio_ | meh, id continue the discussion but you get labeled as a troll here apparently |
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| 18:23.06 | faultline | nikio_: Delayed response, but your blanket statements are ridiculous. |
| 18:23.15 | julius | is there a command to update all packages that are currently installed to the backports version? |
| 18:23.25 | TomTomTosch | nikio_, this is a support channel not one for discussions. |
| 18:23.37 | greycat | julius: no, and you wouldn't actually WANT to do that, because backports don't get security updates |
| 18:23.39 | faultline | nikio_: Takes me hours to get everything configured on a Windows system. I can have a Debian desktop running in 30 minutes, which includes the install itself. |
| 18:23.41 | ZodoTurtle | nikio_: Good luck finding Windows help that doesn't land trigger an Anti-virus or slip past all of them. |
| 18:23.52 | julius | greycat, ah ok |
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| 18:24.11 | faultline | TomTomTosch: (Sorry. Shutting up.) |
| 18:24.19 | TomTomTosch | :) |
| 18:24.20 | karlpinc | julius: Well, they do get security updates. But it's still a hugely bad idea. |
| 18:24.45 | karlpinc | julius: They don't get them with anything like the speed of stable. |
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| 18:25.42 | julius | karlpinc, ok...wont do it |
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| 18:25.56 | pollox | hi |
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| 18:29.58 | T4ng10r | hi |
| 18:30.05 | pollox | I'm having problems with upstart and systemd-shims in debian jessie, I have installed upstart with the following command, sudo apt-get install upstart systemd-shim systemd-sysv- , I'm able to login via ssh and vagrant ssh , but I can't login via terminal (TTY) in virtualbox, no login appears, any idea? thanks :) |
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| 18:31.45 | karlpinc | pollox: systemd-sysv says it's incompatible with upstart. |
| 18:31.55 | karlpinc | pollox: aptitude show systemd-sysv |
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| 18:34.07 | dionysus69 | inserting sleep into .profile delays login itself. How do I run something late but not delay the login at the same time ? |
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| 18:34.19 | dionysus69 | sleep 10 for example delays login for 10 seconds |
| 18:34.41 | ZodoTurtle | keep the sleep but have it run in the background. { sleep 10; execute this; } & |
| 18:34.56 | greycat | dionysus69: again, how are you logging in, how are you starting X, what is actually *executing* your .profile? |
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| 18:35.23 | dionysus69 | dunno .profile is just executing as a default, I didnt modify mechanics behind it |
| 18:35.34 | greycat | dionysus69: the literal answer you claim to want is (sleep 10; foobar)& but I suspect you have bigger issues. |
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| 18:35.47 | dionysus69 | sorry if you already replied before I was restarting pc couple times |
| 18:35.50 | greycat | dionysus69: HOW. DO. YOU. LOG. IN? |
| 18:36.03 | dionysus69 | I login with gnome shell |
| 18:36.24 | dionysus69 | regular gnome 3 login :) :D |
| 18:36.32 | ZodoTurtle | greycat: I've used something similar to launch multiple xterms on an old laptop at startup. |
| 18:36.43 | ZodoTurtle | well, at login of the desktop. |
| 18:36.49 | greycat | dionysus69: A gdm3 login does not run ~/.profile |
| 18:37.03 | pollox | karlpinc: thanks |
| 18:37.06 | dionysus69 | so which syntax is correct? (sleep 10; foobar)& or {sleep 10; foobar}& also, what is & for? |
| 18:37.07 | pollox | i'm going to try |
| 18:37.30 | dionysus69 | greycat: yes it does in my case I am running lots of stuff like that, loading path var etc etc |
| 18:37.46 | ZodoTurtle | { sleep 10; foobar; } & The trailing ; is important. The spacing most likely doesn't matter as much. |
| 18:38.03 | greycat | You should tell us how you managed to make gdm3 read a dot file that ordinarily is only read by a shell (and not even the first file the shell looks for). |
| 18:38.48 | dionysus69 | well I have .bashrc .bash_profile .profile all those are loading by default on my setup and I dont have a custom setup vanilla debian 8 with gnome 3 |
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| 18:39.15 | greycat | That's... just not how it works! |
| 18:39.24 | greycat | You've done *something*. |
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| 18:40.38 | dionysus69 | I really don't remember changing startup workflow, I dont even know how to really |
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| 18:41.40 | zykotick9 | greycat: also keep in mind, dionysus69 is _probably_ using ubuntu (as they cross posted the same question to both channels)... |
| 18:41.43 | karlpinc | dionysus69: It runs it when you open a terminal. Maybe your desktop is being restored when you login and it has a terminal on it. |
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| 18:42.06 | dionysus69 | zykotick9: nope I have debian 8 |
| 18:42.26 | zykotick9 | dionysus69: you post you debian question in #ubuntu.... hummm... |
| 18:43.19 | dionysus69 | zykotick9: well last time I posted here no one seemed to be here so thats why I checked for ubuntu channel too, my question applies to many OSs anyway |
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| 18:43.41 | dionysus69 | karlpinc: nope I run many things on startup just not the terminal |
| 18:43.45 | greycat | I seriously doubt all distros have identical configurations of DE startup. |
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| 18:44.26 | pollox | karlpinc: same problem with sudo apt-get install upstart systemd-shim in a fresh machine, i guess is something related with ttys |
| 18:44.30 | dionysus69 | I have used ubuntu years ago and it also executed .profile |
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| 18:44.46 | pollox | sudo start tty1` |
| 18:44.49 | pollox | works |
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| 18:45.42 | dionysus69 | brb one min, also would be cool if this channel had chat logs like other channels, does it? |
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| 18:47.10 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell dionysus69 about irclog |
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| 18:50.23 | pollox | mmm is this a bug https://gist.github.com/pollosp/f27e0ebcda9bba1311a0 ? |
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| 18:54.27 | dionysus69 | so this line { sleep 10; xflux -l 41.7167 -g 44.7833; } & made xlfux execute twice :\ |
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| 18:54.43 | dionysus69 | one process started shortly after login and another 10 seconds later |
| 18:54.47 | greycat | or you have *some other place* that is also executing xflux |
| 18:55.29 | greycat | You have such a completely twisted-up nonstandard startup thing going on here, that the first step in ANY diagnostics you do is going to have to be "figure out how the hell my startup works". |
| 18:55.44 | dionysus69 | :D |
| 18:55.53 | dionysus69 | but xflux doesnt start if I remove that line :\ |
| 18:56.03 | greycat | What happens instead? |
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| 18:56.14 | dionysus69 | nothing just a regular startup without xlfux |
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| 18:56.23 | greycat | What is a "regular startup"? |
| 18:56.39 | dionysus69 | in this case it starts twice. it works well with |
| 18:56.39 | dionysus69 | sleep 10 |
| 18:56.39 | dionysus69 | xlfux .... something ... |
| 18:56.52 | dionysus69 | but then login hands for 10 seconds |
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| 18:57.45 | greycat | ,info xflux |
| 18:57.46 | judd | No package named 'xflux' was found in jessie/amd64. |
| 18:58.07 | dionysus69 | [[ -s "$HOME/.profile" ]] && source "$HOME/.profile" # Load the default .profile |
| 18:58.15 | dionysus69 | this is in bash_profile I guess this is loading .profile |
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| 18:58.27 | greycat | Is xflux a thing that makes a window that hangs around for a while? Or is it like "xmodmap" or something, that just modifies the configuration of a session and then is gone? |
| 18:58.45 | karlpinc | greycat: apt-file does not find xflux either. |
| 18:58.48 | dionysus69 | judd: i put it in home/user/bin/xflux which is added to path automatically with this |
| 18:58.49 | judd | No package named 'put' was found in jessie/amd64. |
| 18:59.03 | dionysus69 | # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists |
| 18:59.03 | dionysus69 | if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then |
| 18:59.03 | dionysus69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.03 | dionysus69 | fi |
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| 18:59.19 | pollox | oh it is a kind of feature for desktop guys :( |
| 18:59.28 | greycat | If it's a session-modifier then possibly it is executing TOO SOON and then gnome is OVERWRITING whatever it did. Which would explain why your delay helps you. |
| 18:59.36 | greycat | has to go, someone else can repeat that at him |
| 18:59.46 | karlpinc | pollox: From where? |
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| 19:00.40 | virtualbox | hey can someone help me with a display problem? |
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| 19:00.50 | dionysus69 | I got banned for pasting 4 lines lol |
| 19:00.56 | dionysus69 | i mean kicked |
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| 19:01.25 | T4ng10r | h |
| 19:01.29 | T4ng10r | hi |
| 19:01.44 | virtualbox | i have a alienware m11x with nvidia drivers and i cant change brightness....noveau wasnt working either, thats why i installed the proprietary driver... |
| 19:01.47 | T4ng10r | I've installed ifplugd, configured (/etc/defaults/ifplugd) |
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| 19:01.59 | pollox | here https://gist.github.com/pollosp/9f3ae16c5461f6a55b7e they are disabling in all runlevels tty1 , i guess is for looking into de "run log" tty2 to tty6 are avaible in all run inits , so if you press alt + right arrow or alt+f2 you get a tty |
| 19:02.01 | T4ng10r | how to easly and safely start it at startup? |
| 19:02.27 | virtualbox | the brightness slider shows but nothing changes when i move it by hotkey or toggle with xfce power manager |
| 19:02.30 | T4ng10r | systemd? link to /etc/rcx.d ? |
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| 19:02.43 | dionysus69 | greycat: xflux is program that makes screen tint with yellow color depending on time of the day. helps to keep eye not freak out from too much strain |
| 19:02.54 | virtualbox | xbacklight doesn't do anything either |
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| 19:03.09 | pollox | karlpinc: I guess is a kind of feature for desktop guys |
| 19:03.29 | zerodrama | i cannot make grub ignore encrypted volumes with keyfiles |
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| 19:04.20 | zerodrama | i want my /home mounted at startup but i don't need it at boot |
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| 19:08.00 | virtualbox | where can i get actual support for debian? |
| 19:08.30 | abrotman | this is one place |
| 19:08.44 | virtualbox | lol |
| 19:08.49 | abrotman | virtualbox: if you don't get a useful answer, try again in an hour, try a different set of people |
| 19:08.56 | virtualbox | yea sorry |
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| 19:09.04 | virtualbox | i'm just frusterated |
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| 19:09.13 | abrotman | virtualbox: how did oyu install the nvidia driver? Debian way or Nvidia way? |
| 19:09.20 | virtualbox | debian way |
| 19:09.24 | virtualbox | through apt |
| 19:09.33 | virtualbox | its not the problem |
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| 19:09.50 | ZodoTurtle | watches intently on this nvidia thing. I'm in the same boat. |
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| 19:09.59 | virtualbox | the problem is brightness isnt working. it wasn't working with noveau |
| 19:10.04 | virtualbox | i tried everything |
| 19:10.06 | abrotman | xbacklist program? |
| 19:10.10 | abrotman | xbacklight |
| 19:10.12 | virtualbox | does nothing |
| 19:10.18 | virtualbox | no effecdt |
| 19:10.21 | abrotman | checked in dmesg after trying? |
| 19:10.32 | virtualbox | check for what? |
| 19:10.39 | abrotman | errors? messages? notifications? logs ... |
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| 19:10.55 | virtualbox | dmesg|tail? |
| 19:10.59 | virtualbox | after |
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| 19:12.46 | virtualbox | http://paste.debian.net/410351/ |
| 19:12.56 | virtualbox | i can't make any sense of that... |
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| 19:14.04 | virtualbox | and abrotman it gave no indication anything happened, just dropped me to another ~# after i ran xbacklight -set 50 |
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| 19:14.44 | abrotman | I doubt you want to run xbacklight as root |
| 19:14.50 | virtualbox | well |
| 19:15.00 | virtualbox | the point is it doesn't work |
| 19:15.20 | virtualbox | but yea thats probably not the best idea |
| 19:15.21 | abrotman | or, root doesn't have access .. |
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| 19:15.38 | virtualbox | nope |
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| 19:15.45 | virtualbox | user doesn't work either |
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| 19:17.04 | abrotman | virtualbox: and the firmware buttons do nothing also? |
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| 19:17.36 | virtualbox | lol There's nowhere that root doesn't have full read, write and execute permissions. they make a slider show and move but brightness remains at 100% |
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| 19:18.14 | grawity | there are quite a few things root doesn't have access to |
| 19:18.20 | virtualbox | same with the xfce power-manager plugin |
| 19:18.40 | virtualbox | it shows that brightness changes but in reality it doesn't |
| 19:18.47 | grawity | just like there are things that don't use "read, write and execute permissions" |
| 19:19.00 | virtualbox | ok point taken |
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| 19:20.17 | grawity | anything under /sys/class/backlight? |
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| 19:21.59 | virtualbox | root@dark:/sys/class/backlight# ls > acpi_video0 acpi_video1 intel_backlight |
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| 19:22.57 | virtualbox | so there is intel_backlight, how do i set/configure it? |
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| 19:25.20 | virtualbox | the file brightness in the folder intel_backlight has the files: actual_brightness and brightness. both contain only the line 2649450 |
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| 19:25.44 | virtualbox | the files brightness in the folder intel_backlight are: actual_brightness and brightness. both contain only the line 2649450 |
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| 19:26.24 | virtualbox | there are some other files as well.... bl_power and max_brightness |
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| 19:27.03 | virtualbox | max_brightness has only 2649450 as well |
| 19:27.19 | kline | when providing additional firmware for the installer as explained here ( https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en ), is there a way to have the installer tell you where it's checking? I've run out of front-panel USB for this server, and it doesnt find the firmware when the carrying USB is plugged into the back |
| 19:27.27 | virtualbox | bl_power has only the line: 0 |
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| 19:27.49 | kline | im wondering if it can even see that second bank of USB ports |
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| 19:29.11 | virtualbox | well i can't write to those files..so i guess i just found something root doesn't have access to 0.o |
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| 19:31.00 | kline | virtualbox, out of interest, what purpose would being able to write to the max_brightness serve? |
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| 19:31.30 | kline | it seems like thats a property of the hardware thats being reported, it wouldnt make sense to try and ever write to that |
| 19:31.37 | virtualbox | i tried to write to actual_brightness |
| 19:31.48 | virtualbox | not to max_brightness |
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| 19:31.59 | virtualbox | give me a little slack here pal |
| 19:32.01 | kline | ok. btw, are you running x? |
| 19:32.05 | virtualbox | xfce |
| 19:32.13 | kline | ok, have you tried xbacklight? |
| 19:32.16 | virtualbox | yesw |
| 19:32.21 | virtualbox | it doesn't work |
| 19:32.24 | kline | shucks, out of ideas :v |
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| 19:32.34 | grawity | try writing to the one that's just named "brightness" |
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| 19:32.41 | grawity | also, try acpi_video*, not just intel_backlight |
| 19:32.43 | virtualbox | and i don't want to use xrand because that just lowers gamma |
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| 19:32.54 | markybob | kline: i find it much easier to use the firmware installer (has them built-in so you don't have to do anything) |
| 19:32.56 | virtualbox | that does work tho |
| 19:33.06 | virtualbox | xrandr --output LVDS1 --brightness 0.5 |
| 19:33.42 | kline | markybob, im downloading it now, but it's currently set to take 4h to download |
| 19:34.02 | kline | I guess they werent joking when they said that http downloads may be throttled |
| 19:34.40 | markybob | kline: there is a torrent for it http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 19:34.55 | kline | cant torrent from this location (university) |
| 19:34.58 | kline | thanks though |
| 19:35.47 | virtualbox | acpi has brightness files as well but like the ones in intel_backlight they are ROM |
| 19:36.20 | virtualbox | i tried all of them and i can't change any of them |
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| 19:42.07 | Quatroking | is there any way to force firefox/iceweasel to use my wifi instead of the wired LAN connection |
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| 19:43.42 | abrotman | unplug the cable? |
| 19:43.56 | Quatroking | ..other than disconnecting the LAN entirely |
| 19:44.11 | markybob | i doubt it |
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| 19:51.59 | virtualbox | well i managed to lock myself out of my pc for a bit but i found a way to adjust brightness: echo 1500000 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness...i tried 400 the first time and it made my screen completely dark even through reboot. i had to go into recovery mode to fix this....so anyone who uses this command ZodoTurtle needs to make sure you arent going out of the range of your adapter |
| 19:52.19 | virtualbox | it works fine though |
| 19:53.40 | virtualbox | i just wish debian or xfce or xorg or whoever would patch their stuff so that my hotkeys would work and i don't have to go sherlock holmes to change my brightness |
| 19:54.08 | TomTomTosch | complain to your vendor. |
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| 19:55.37 | virtualbox | i guess it is their fault |
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| 19:55.59 | virtualbox | thanks for trying to help me though guys |
| 19:56.05 | TomTomTosch | and i'm not kidding. it would be great if you complained to them :3 |
| 19:56.25 | virtualbox | i don't own the liscense to this machine though... |
| 19:56.51 | virtualbox | or i would complain |
| 19:57.48 | virtualbox | does debian configure each package you install to your individual machine? |
| 19:58.38 | greycat | If it does, you'll be involved in it (whiptail/dialog stuff). |
| 19:58.53 | virtualbox | jw because i have the same copy of debian on 2 pc's and the ways it handles files is different between them. for instance on one i need playonlinux to play a game, on this one i only rewquire wine |
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| 20:02.00 | abrotman | virtualbox: you might want to check for BIOS updates |
| 20:02.22 | virtualbox | can i update bios via cli? |
| 20:02.34 | abrotman | depends on the manufacturer .. |
| 20:02.37 | virtualbox | ah |
| 20:02.39 | abrotman | some provide bootable CDs |
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| 20:03.01 | virtualbox | so i may need phoenix flash to update this one then.... |
| 20:03.17 | virtualbox | because its a phoenix bios |
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| 20:03.55 | virtualbox | actually i tried once and it said i already had the newest bios. i got it directly from dell for alienware m11x |
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| 20:04.02 | BackEndCoder2 | hi |
| 20:04.29 | BackEndCoder2 | i'm trying to 'backup' a debian vm, its about 5gb in total. in the most effenct way as possible |
| 20:04.41 | BackEndCoder2 | its doesn't have the space to make a tar on the same box |
| 20:04.47 | BackEndCoder2 | and she is being turned off in a few days |
| 20:05.01 | BackEndCoder2 | i would like to save as much data from it as possible |
| 20:05.06 | greycat | rsync to another machine that's not being turned off |
| 20:05.06 | BackEndCoder2 | configs, db's etc |
| 20:05.15 | BackEndCoder2 | rsync, thanks |
| 20:05.37 | virtualbox | how do you rsync to another machine? |
| 20:05.45 | BackEndCoder2 | ssh |
| 20:05.48 | virtualbox | ah |
| 20:05.50 | virtualbox | thx |
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| 20:06.02 | greycat | Debian's rsync is configured to use ssh by default instead of rsh. |
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| 20:06.34 | virtualbox | can i setup networking between 2 pc's via wifi? |
| 20:06.58 | virtualbox | so that i can browse their drives in thunar? |
| 20:07.41 | BackEndCoder2 | yes samba, or sshfs |
| 20:07.56 | virtualbox | how do i set it up. both have samba |
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| 20:08.13 | BackEndCoder2 | one needs a samba client the other needs a server |
| 20:08.33 | virtualbox | i don't see an icon for samba...is it cli only? |
| 20:08.33 | BackEndCoder2 | thunar should have some magical thing that does it for you |
| 20:08.39 | virtualbox | oh |
| 20:08.49 | virtualbox | it has a browse network |
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| 20:08.57 | virtualbox | but my other pc doesn't show |
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| 20:09.14 | towo` | it would only see anything, if threr is a server in the network |
| 20:09.22 | virtualbox | ok |
| 20:09.32 | virtualbox | so i need a server on just one pc |
| 20:09.32 | BackEndCoder2 | http://askubuntu.com/questions/101350/software-similar-to-nautilus-share-in-thunar |
| 20:09.36 | BackEndCoder2 | somethign like that |
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| 20:10.00 | BackEndCoder2 | you want the server to be on the box you don't have thunar on |
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| 20:10.45 | towo` | but wlan <==> wlan network wit 2 clients is not the easyest network setup |
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| 20:19.29 | RippyDippy | Made the jump on my main machine today. Feels great! |
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| 20:22.12 | humbot | woot :) |
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| 20:23.27 | aegis | dat sexy feel |
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| 20:24.00 | RippyDippy | also, after .5 seconds of googling, it seems like thunderbird isnt a thing on debian |
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| 20:24.08 | RippyDippy | or at least icedove is the preferred package |
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| 20:28.02 | Walakea | why is there no deadbeef package? |
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| 20:28.13 | r6ku | ,deadbeef |
| 20:28.28 | aegis | lol icedove |
| 20:28.32 | r6ku | check deb multimedia... :( |
| 20:28.36 | aegis | Must I ask to ask a question? |
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| 20:28.49 | greycat | Just ask your question without preamble. |
| 20:28.57 | SynrG | ,v deadbeef |
| 20:28.58 | judd | Package: deadbeef on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.5.6-dmo3; jessie-multimedia: 0.6.2-dmo7; sid-multimedia: 0.7.0-dmo3 |
| 20:29.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | RippyDippy, they're the same except for branding (and at least for firefox/iceweasel, the version in debian is the LTS version, that might be true for it, too) |
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| 20:29.15 | SynrG | r6ku: ^ itym |
| 20:29.17 | RippyDippy | CutMeOwnThroat: thats what I figured. |
| 20:30.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | that might actually all change in the next release... seems the concerns/problems with the firefox brand have been pretty much resolved |
| 20:30.07 | Walakea | i downloaded .deb package from their website |
| 20:30.19 | SynrG | !dmm |
| 20:30.20 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 20:30.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the next release is likely >=2 years away, so... |
| 20:30.53 | xVim | CutMeOwnThroat: What makes you think that? |
| 20:31.04 | Walakea | works good, the only issue seems to be gnome interfering with my hotkeys |
| 20:31.18 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch wants a freeze in December. |
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| 20:32.08 | T4ng10r | hji |
| 20:32.22 | T4ng10r | do you have experience with ifplugd? |
| 20:32.35 | T4ng10r | where to place it to start with boot? |
| 20:32.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | xVim, think what? |
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| 20:33.10 | xVim | CutMeOwnThroat: That the stretch release will still take more than 2 years |
| 20:33.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | xVim, mainly /msg dpkg release history it's usually ~3 years and stretch is out under a year? |
| 20:34.24 | greycat | Jessie was released 2015-04-25 |
| 20:34.25 | Walakea | also why are there no backports for DEs? |
| 20:34.27 | SynrG | No, it's usually ~2 |
| 20:34.41 | Walakea | specifically Gnome |
| 20:34.43 | karlpinc | T4ng10r: I'd imagine it'd start at boot automatically. Or see it's config in /etc/default/. Or see it's readme.debian. |
| 20:34.47 | SynrG | Depends on "usually" :) |
| 20:35.01 | karlpinc | !tell T4ng10r about readme.debian |
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| 20:35.23 | ZodoTurtle | teraflops: So, the vm system that wouldn't shutdown. I've narrowed it down to 5 services. At least of them causes the hang. "clamav-daemon clamav-freshclam amavis amavisd-snmp-subagent amavis-mc" |
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| 20:35.40 | karlpinc | Walakea: Because they're giant and have tons of dependencies, and gome specifically has ties to systemd and presumeably the kernel. |
| 20:35.40 | jelly | Walakea: mostly it's because backports deal with well contained single pieces of software, and DEs are both huge and have huge dependencies |
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| 20:36.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | SynrG, well, true, but wheezy->jessie was 3 years and the general trend was that time between releases increases |
| 20:36.28 | SynrG | CutMeOwnThroat: squeeze 2011, wheezy 2013, Jessie 2015 |
| 20:36.35 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: it was a bit less than 2 years |
| 20:36.39 | jelly | !release history |
| 20:36.39 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. http://deb.li/it56U |
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| 20:36.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | blinks |
| 20:36.53 | greycat | Wheezy->Jessie was just short of two years |
| 20:36.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 20:37.07 | mk | is using sid any stable? in terms of: i dont have to format whole system because broken or cant even boot |
| 20:37.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems my eyes were just deceiving me |
| 20:37.08 | Walakea | jessie is a nice name |
| 20:37.29 | greycat | mk: Sid is unstable, not supported here, and if you have to ask these questions, not suitable for you. |
| 20:37.39 | jelly | etch->lenny seemed a lot longer than wheezy->jessie |
| 20:37.45 | mk | greycat: ah okay |
| 20:37.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that just after my memory was deceiving me :( |
| 20:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | so much deceit |
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| 20:38.31 | Walakea | what is the difference between partial releases? (for example 8.2 -> 8.3) |
| 20:38.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | bugfixes |
| 20:38.52 | karlpinc | Walakea: mostly haveing to do with security. |
| 20:39.40 | jelly | and some high-impact bugs squashed |
| 20:40.09 | greycat | Before Etch, as you may have seen up above, those x.1 releases were *full* Debian releases. But recent marketing trends made Debian cave in to peer pressure and use whole 1.0 intervals between release numbers. |
| 20:41.18 | cheapie | has the entire 80-something CD set for 8.0.0 around here somewhere.... |
| 20:41.42 | greycat | for god's sake why |
| 20:41.49 | cheapie | I can't remember. |
| 20:41.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, "cave in to peer pressure" |
| 20:42.19 | jhutchins | cheapie: Probably seemed like a good idea at the time. |
| 20:42.27 | faultline | See also: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/marketroid.html |
| 20:42.41 | greycat | "Let's be like Mozilla! They changed the size of the scroll bar slightly, so now it's Firefox Version 350!" |
| 20:42.42 | Walakea | but i have to say, finding the right .iso of debian is still so painful |
| 20:43.09 | cheapie | That does remind me, though, is there a reason that there's no disc image bigger than DLBD? |
| 20:43.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the current system of full number == release, minor numbers == bugfixes + preparation seems to make a lot of sense and be pretty consistent |
| 20:43.34 | karlpinc | Walakea: The 8.0 disks still work. The install just hit's the net more to get newer stuff. Even so, what do you mean? The netinstall is always available from the debian home page. |
| 20:43.36 | Walakea | there is LiveCD, netinst, cd, dvd, from webite or from torrent |
| 20:43.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure if/how the versioning before that made sense, but I wasn't around before potato |
| 20:44.06 | jhutchins | ... or that wierd download gimic that never works. |
| 20:44.14 | cheapie | jhutchins: jigdo? |
| 20:44.15 | teraflops | Walakea: hmm i read here many people that cannot find the debian iso they want, it has to mean something |
| 20:44.20 | karlpinc | Walakea: Unless you're installing a zillion boxes, or somewhere where there's no network, the netinstall always works fine. |
| 20:44.22 | jhutchins | cheapie: Yeah, that. |
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| 20:44.27 | Walakea | i know, i was reinstalling jessie 8.2, after 8.3 was released of course with ethernet plugged in and it automatically installed 8.3 |
| 20:44.35 | cheapie | Always worked for me. That's how I got the 80-something CDs. |
| 20:44.56 | Walakea | i have jessie 8.2 dvd amd64 iso |
| 20:45.01 | cheapie | (actually, I used jigdo to morph dual-layer BD images into them) |
| 20:45.41 | jhutchins | cheapie: So what storage media holds bigger images than DLBD? |
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| 20:46.04 | cheapie | I think blu-ray discs with >2 layers are available, as well as flash drives of course. |
| 20:46.07 | Walakea | i actually dont know whether my BIOS allows USB boot |
| 20:46.18 | jhutchins | Walakea: How old is it? |
| 20:46.25 | cheapie | 100GB: http://www.amazon.com/TDK-Blu-ray-Disc-Printable-Triple/dp/B0041CJMRU |
| 20:46.27 | Walakea | bios version is i think 30X |
| 20:46.31 | Walakea | new laptop |
| 20:46.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, he only wanted CD1, you see, but jigdo downloaded CD1-CD80 :P |
| 20:46.39 | Walakea | ASUS F555LB |
| 20:47.01 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: If so, that's an arguable value for "works". |
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| 20:47.11 | jhutchins | Walakea: It should. |
| 20:47.36 | Walakea | i also think it should but i dont know how enable it |
| 20:47.55 | cheapie | Even if it's a bajillion dollars for one disc, they *do* exist, and I don't see any reason there shouldn't be at least a jigdo file for an "everything in one ISO" image. |
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| 20:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, right... so I see no conflict between your and his statement :) |
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| 20:49.16 | Walakea | you know what would be great? if there was a way to reaintall debian directly from a file saved on HDD (like Window$ does) |
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| 20:49.43 | jelly | cheapie: that one image is called "a one architecture mirror" |
| 20:49.56 | ZodoTurtle | When will hte Blu-ray edition come out? (Just Kidding) |
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| 20:50.04 | teraflops | Walakea: take snapshots you can also boot from them directly |
| 20:50.18 | greycat | Walakea: Debian doesn't typically *need* reinstallation, unless you screw it up yourself |
| 20:50.20 | Walakea | i have never heard of that |
| 20:50.29 | cheapie | ZodoTurtle: There are images for 3 single-layer Blu-ray discs or 2 dual-layer already, if that's what you mean. |
| 20:50.40 | Walakea | i know everyone talks about debian not needing to be reinstalled |
| 20:50.50 | cheapie | Walakea: Network boot is the next best thing. |
| 20:51.04 | Walakea | also i am using it about few months now |
| 20:51.09 | Walakea | my first distro |
| 20:51.24 | cheapie | That reminds me, I need to fix my DHCP server. |
| 20:51.26 | ZodoTurtle | OMG, it actually requires 3 Single layer Blu-ray's at this point? |
| 20:51.36 | Walakea | but i dont care much, because i will probably be using it for the rest of my life |
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| 20:51.43 | jhutchins | Walakea: There are things you can do that will lead to a reinstall, but used properly many of us go for years with live upgrades and no reinstall. |
| 20:51.43 | cheapie | ZodoTurtle: If you want *everything*, yes: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-bd/ |
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| 20:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, but I've also occasionally wished for something to just unpack and then you've got a baseimage |
| 20:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and/or pre-made virtualbox images |
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| 20:52.55 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: I've seen VB images. |
| 20:53.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, from some random bloke on the internets |
| 20:53.12 | ZodoTurtle | CutMeOwnThroat: with bootcd, you can build your own ready run system. |
| 20:53.13 | cheapie | CutMeOwnThroat: pixz -tp8 /dev/sda /mnt/network-share/debian.img.xz :P |
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| 20:53.32 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: I think I ran a pre-configured image that was a puppet tutorial. |
| 20:54.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, official ones would be nice... of course, there's debootstrap and stuff |
| 20:54.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | and still, images would be nice |
| 20:54.54 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: Back when I built a lot of boxes I did create disk images and just burn new drives as needed. |
| 20:54.59 | cheapie | Heh, I love debootstrap. |
| 20:55.17 | cheapie | So much easier (IMO) to use and less buggy than the installer. |
| 20:55.51 | ZodoTurtle | I myself, would love to have a functional debian live CD that lets me download to RAM and burn CD images, along with gparted, ddrescue of some form and a few other essential disk tools. A true rescue system from Debian. |
| 20:56.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, right... it's not if there's *really* a lot of differences between base images. root-password, 1st user+pwd, ip address, router... everything else should be auto-detected |
| 20:56.34 | cheapie | Can't the live DVDs or whatever already do that? |
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| 20:56.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, never looked at the thing |
| 20:57.03 | teraflops | cheapie: true, I always say that deboostrap should be the official installer :P |
| 20:57.35 | cheapie | teraflops: Yeah... debian-installer has "blown up" on me the last 2 or 3 times I tried to use it. |
| 20:58.34 | teraflops | cheapie: well, im not saying the installer is bad, i just say that deboostrap lets you customize the installation way more |
| 20:58.49 | Walakea | does gparted live contain ddrescue? |
| 20:58.54 | cheapie | (usually something along the lines of the stable version thinking I don't have an SSD or hard drive, the testing version hanging for no good reason during network configuration, and the unstable one deciding not to install random stuff) |
| 20:58.55 | asterismo | hi |
| 20:59.16 | asterismo | how do i enable SMP in the kernel? do i have to install a new kernel? i'm running 32 bit PAE |
| 20:59.17 | asterismo | debian 8 |
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| 20:59.59 | zykotick9 | asterismo: you don't have to do anything... should be enabled by default... |
| 21:00.03 | cheapie | Just when I thought the days of 32-bit were over... |
| 21:00.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | asterismo, it should be enabled by default.. I think therE's a special kernel one can install to disable it. what does uname -a say? |
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| 21:00.45 | asterismo | Linux undernet 3.16.0-4-586 #1 Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:01.01 | greycat | 32-bit CPUs are not going away any time soon, but they're mostly in portable devices |
| 21:01.07 | asterismo | its running on a virtuablx VM and i cannot enable multiple CPUs |
| 21:01.36 | greycat | asterismo: all of Debian's default kernels are SMP-capable |
| 21:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, actually even I switched to amd64 over a year or two ago and start forgetting |
| 21:01.43 | cheapie | asterismo: Is the kernel in question the one of the host or guest? |
| 21:01.54 | asterismo | guest |
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| 21:02.10 | cheapie | And how many CPUs are enabled in VBox? |
| 21:02.17 | teraflops | asterismo: is the guest x86_64 capable? |
| 21:02.25 | teraflops | s/host sorry |
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| 21:02.58 | asterismo | host is 32bit too |
| 21:03.02 | teraflops | ah |
| 21:03.12 | asterismo | but it shows 8 cpus |
| 21:03.18 | cheapie | ...and you're running a 32-bit OS *why*? |
| 21:03.52 | teraflops | *shrugs* |
| 21:04.19 | teraflops | asterismo: what cpu does the host have? |
| 21:04.33 | asterismo | AMD 8-core FX-8120 cpu |
| 21:04.39 | teraflops | *shrugs*² |
| 21:04.50 | cheapie | So you should be on 64-bit then. 32-bit OSes make no sense on that. |
| 21:04.53 | asterismo | i run some 32bit only compatible stuff |
| 21:05.01 | cheapie | Such as? |
| 21:05.04 | teraflops | heh |
| 21:05.10 | asterismo | i'll upgrade to 64 bit as soon as i can get rid of that |
| 21:05.22 | greycat | If it's a VM-hosting box you MOST CERTAINLY want the host to be 64-bit. |
| 21:05.27 | cheapie | LinuxCNC is the only thing I've *ever* seen that has issues with 64-bit. |
| 21:05.45 | greycat | The guests can then be either 32- or 64- as needed. |
| 21:05.51 | cheapie | (and even that works on 64 most of the time, it's just "experimental") |
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| 21:06.04 | jelly | greycat: amusingly vbox used to support running 64bit guests on a 32bit host OS. |
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| 21:06.25 | ZodoTurtle | okay, so, is poweroff a script? |
| 21:06.34 | Walakea | i didnt know .exe files are actually archives |
| 21:06.53 | cheapie | "/sbin/poweroff: symbolic link to /bin/systemctl" |
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| 21:07.01 | cheapie | "/bin/systemctl: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=d61e40bf19b83df04b771c56db55e64d6bb6f93f, stripped" |
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| 21:07.07 | ZodoTurtle | or better yet. Can I catch the shutdown trigger and execute an extra command? cheapie thank you. |
| 21:07.08 | cheapie | ZodoTurtle: That's what I got from file. |
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| 21:07.38 | asterismo | but i cannot get the guest 32bit kernel have SMP and enable multiple cores |
| 21:07.39 | cheapie | You can probably replace /sbin/poweroff with something else. |
| 21:07.52 | asterismo | it should work right? |
| 21:07.57 | cheapie | asterismo: I think you need to be 64-bit on the host for that. |
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| 21:08.41 | jelly | asterismo: 586 flavor isn't pae-enabled, 686-pae is. |
| 21:08.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, on a 32 bit host kernel? |
| 21:08.59 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: way back when? yes. |
| 21:09.03 | asterismo | jelly: so i need to install a new kernel? |
| 21:09.11 | teraflops | pae is for memory not for cores |
| 21:09.11 | jelly | asterismo: and boot it, too. |
| 21:09.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a good trick |
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| 21:09.21 | Walakea | debian-cd is something different than debian-netinst even though it has similar size? |
| 21:09.57 | ZodoTurtle | I've narrowed my problem to two services. If either or both are running, the system will not poweroff/shutdown. It will hang instead. |
| 21:10.09 | jelly | asterismo: install linux-image-686-pae if you need it, that one will always pull the latest supported kernel with that flavor. |
| 21:10.21 | ZodoTurtle | those services are: clamav-daemon amavis |
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| 21:11.31 | cheapie | ZodoTurtle: You can probably, as a workaround, dpkg-divert /sbin/poweroff to something else and replace it with a shell script that stops those services and then uses a different method (runlevel 0 maybe?) to shut down the system. |
| 21:12.17 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: those one are hungry as hell |
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| 21:12.27 | jhutchins | ZodoTurtle: Are both services installed via current debian packages? |
| 21:12.35 | ZodoTurtle | jhutchins: yes. |
| 21:12.42 | jhutchins | ZodoTurtle: Which release? |
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| 21:12.55 | ZodoTurtle | current. |
| 21:13.07 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: how about the guest resources? ram cpu etc. |
| 21:13.07 | jhutchins | ZodoTurtle: So jessie with systemd? |
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| 21:14.04 | Walakea | how did the boot proccess look like before systemd? |
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| 21:14.05 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: also assuming those services are well configured |
| 21:14.11 | ZodoTurtle | jhutchins: correct. teraflops: it is the vm. I have it limited to 256Mb RAM but can bump that. Could just as easily ditch teh clamav all together. I don't remember what amavis is. |
| 21:14.52 | Walakea | i am too young to have seen sysvinit |
| 21:14.58 | ZodoTurtle | yeah, could probably ditch them both. |
| 21:14.59 | jelly | ZodoTurtle: amavis is mail filter infrastructure. It can use spamassasin and clamav. |
| 21:15.00 | cheapie | "Package amavisd-new jessie (stable) (mail): Interface between MTA and virus scanner/content filters" |
| 21:15.04 | teraflops | ZodoTurtle: hmm, well tried launching them manually while looking at the logs? |
| 21:15.14 | greycat | Walakea: I doubt that. sysvinit was the default in wheezy, less than a year ago. |
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| 21:15.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, he's maybe 6 :) |
| 21:16.15 | Walakea | i started using G/L in September |
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| 21:16.40 | cheapie | Heh, I've not only used sysvinit, I've *used* System V (admittedly in a VM to play with). |
| 21:17.13 | cheapie | (I can't remember where I found it. It was a few years ago) |
| 21:17.50 | teraflops | runit looks interesting |
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| 21:19.20 | Walakea | what do you think boot time: Win 8.1 ~ 5 s; Debian ~ 30 s |
| 21:19.27 | Walakea | *about my |
| 21:20.03 | cheapie | Walakea: That's... unusual. Debian boots in around 3s (GRUB to login prompt) for me. |
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| 21:20.08 | abrotman | I have a Debian that boots in 5 seconds and the hardware is probably about five years old .. |
| 21:20.13 | abrotman | maybe seven years? |
| 21:20.21 | f-a | hello, I am recently having problem with viewing disqus comments on my debian machine (jessie). I am puzzled because even choosing a different browser doesn't change the outcome (I tried xombrero and iceweasel). |
| 21:20.28 | f-a | http://blog.disqus.com/post/70610944473/33-disqus-communities-for-the-new-year does this page comments work for you? |
| 21:20.34 | teraflops | Walakea: systemd-analyze and systemd-analyze blame |
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| 21:20.38 | f-a | (scroll down). to me it keeps loading |
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| 21:21.01 | cheapie | My server takes more like 3 minutes to boot, but that thing's ancient and it's running a bunch of services. |
| 21:21.02 | abrotman | Walakea: It ultimately depends on what the system is doing .. If your Debian has Oracle DB installed, it might take a little longer than Win8 |
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| 21:21.22 | Walakea | Startup finished in 2.006s (kernel) + 14.750s (userspace) = 16.756s |
| 21:21.35 | jelly | abrotman: if your debian has oracle db installed, you're running it on an unsupported platform! |
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| 21:58.08 | axc1298 | f-a: you're running firefox without any sort of window manager? that sound awful.. |
| 21:58.12 | f-a | mkb: already did it, no dice. I even tried another browser (xombrero) |
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| 21:58.36 | f-a | it seems to load the "ads" of disqus but no comments... |
| 21:58.47 | mkb | f-a, firewalls? dns/hosts ad blocker? |
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| 21:59.26 | axc1298 | javascript |
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| 22:00.31 | ZodoTurtle | Removing those three packages freed about 500Mb or RAM spamassasin clamav amavis |
| 22:00.34 | f-a | axc1298: I have xmonad on top of x, it's ok |
| 22:01.09 | f-a | mkb: I `iptables -F` and still no dice but tbf I am connecting through a nat which is not under my control so who knows, maybe they changed something. I'll check! |
| 22:01.34 | jhutchins | ZodoTurtle: Do you receive mail with this server? |
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| 22:01.54 | mkb | aha! if you've got a ssh server somewhere you can do ssh -D and set iceweasel to proxy through it... |
| 22:02.11 | ZodoTurtle | jhutchins: Not directly. It will be using getmail against a gmail account. |
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| 22:04.12 | axc1298 | f-a: oh ok, so not straight X.. |
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| 22:04.16 | GandoIf | test |
| 22:04.27 | axc1298 | oh wait, didn't knwo what xmonad was sorry |
| 22:04.55 | f-a | axc1298: yep, no DE |
| 22:04.59 | axc1298 | haven't used a straight WM since i tried out openbox a while back |
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| 22:06.40 | axc1298 | f-a: in iceweasel you can click help -> restart with addons disabled. see if it works like that |
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| 22:08.37 | f-a | axc1298: no dice, I am suspecting the NAT I am using to connect to the internet. Let's see if it is it... |
| 22:08.51 | axc1298 | could be |
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| 22:38.11 | jhutchins | ZodoTurtle: Ok, you shouldn't need to do your own spam filtering then. |
| 22:38.33 | jhutchins | ZodoTurtle: Running an open mail server without spamassassin is very frustrating. |
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| 23:08.53 | themill | tty0_: no, icecat is not in debian |
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| 23:26.02 | Akuw | hi, i have problems to print only pdf files, i can't print any file, but can't print pdf files |
| 23:26.31 | Toba | i think 'can't print any files' would typically imply that you can't print pdf files |
| 23:26.35 | Toba | what? |
| 23:27.03 | Akuw | i can print libreoffice files, of web pages |
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| 23:27.19 | Akuw | but when try to print pdf files printer don't print |
| 23:27.29 | Akuw | doesn't print |
| 23:27.38 | Toba | can you print a very simple pdf file |
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| 23:27.52 | Toba | it could be total RAM available in your printer |
| 23:28.14 | Toba | that's all I can think of |
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| 23:28.50 | Akuw | let me try with simple pdf |
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| 23:30.20 | Akuw | nothing |
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| 23:31.25 | Toba | if it helps, printers are demons sent from hell to hurt us |
| 23:31.34 | Akuw | hehehehe |
| 23:31.46 | Toba | did you try making a pentagram out of salt around the printer? |
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| 23:32.48 | Akuw | Toba: what? |
| 23:33.11 | Toba | Not a real suggestion :p |
| 23:33.18 | Toba | Sorry for joking around, it won't help you |
| 23:33.54 | Akuw | Toba: no problem, my printer is a joke |
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| 23:34.46 | teclo- | yeah some people think Unix is the work of the devil because you have to type chmod 666 |
| 23:37.02 | Akuw | teclo-: hehehe very good joke |
| 23:37.25 | teclo- | and there are daemons |
| 23:37.52 | Akuw | teclo-: some people may thing a sex things because chmod 069 i know 9 is nota possible value |
| 23:38.17 | teclo- | its is even rumoured that by performing a specific ritual with Unix, the Prince of Darkness will appear |
| 23:38.58 | humbot | dad get off the internet |
| 23:39.48 | Akuw | ok |
| 23:39.54 | Akuw | i got it |
| 23:40.26 | nevyn | Akuw: what app are you printing from? |
| 23:40.50 | nevyn | Akuw: did you try just running it directly into cups (views tend to try and get complicated and screw things up) |
| 23:41.06 | nevyn | man cupsdoprint |
| 23:41.15 | Akuw | ok, what i did was i printed as file.ps then open and print |
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| 23:41.50 | nevyn | why didn't you print from the viewer? |
| 23:42.11 | Akuw | i was using Okular |
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| 23:42.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | for whoever thought that last banter was offtopic... it made me actually find devilspie in the repos |
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| 23:43.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | which at least looks extremely useful |
| 23:43.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Akuw, and printing a .ps worked? |
| 23:44.22 | aedinius | pdftops file.pdf - | lp |
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| 23:50.24 | Akuw | no man |
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| 23:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | so your original statement that only printing pdf doesn't work is wrong |
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