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00:54.54rootd00dVLC won't fullscreen. i'm losing my shit over here. *sigh*
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00:57.30jmcnaughtrootd00d: what happens instead of fullscreen? how are you trying? what desktop/window manager are you using?
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00:58.05rootd00djmcnaught: xfce. 4 virtual desktops. it looks like the video is tucked into the upper left quadrant of the window.
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00:58.51rootd00djmcnaught: the window will maximize.  the video plays.  it will scale too, if the window is smaller than the resultant "fullscreen" size.
00:59.09jmcnaughtrootd00d: does the same thing happen for a different user, or if you move your ~/.config/vlc somewhere else temporarily?
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01:00.49rootd00djmcnaught: yep!
01:01.46jmcnaughtrootd00d: then it is probably a local configuration change you made for your user. possibly the video output
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01:02.09rootd00djmcnaught: oh i meant, it's exactly the same. :)
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01:02.54jmcnaughtrootd00d: oh, well it could still be that if it's picking a bad one automatically. If you go to Tools > Preferences > Video, does the output drop-down say automatic?
01:03.03markybobjmcnaught: is this testing? vlc has been broken for me in testing for a couple of weeks
01:03.12markybobrootd00d: ^
01:03.13rootd00dmarkybob: sid
01:03.39markybobrootd00d: okay, then yeah. that's expected. also it's not supported here per /topic. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
01:03.49rootd00djmcnaught: well, setting "Automatic" won't work for a bunch of x264 stuff apparently, because the VDAPU stuff won't work on this intel graphics chipset.
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01:04.17jmcnaughtrootd00d: *shrug* stuff just works for me in stable, but yeah you should ask in #debian-next on OFTC
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01:04.36rootd00djmcnaught: ah, k. well thank you very much!
01:04.57markybobyeah you're welcome.
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01:05.20rootd00dthat has a brush of sarcasm to it.
01:05.26jmcnaughtrootd00d: cheers, if i have more troubleshooting ideas i'll tell you there
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01:18.07SpaceAceweird... when I do apt-get update i get "Segmentation fault (core dumped)
01:18.07SpaceAce"
01:18.10SpaceAceanyone ever seen this?
01:18.27karlpincSpaceAce: Bad ram?
01:18.32markybobSpaceAce: not on jessie
01:18.57markybobbam ram is a good idea
01:19.00SpaceAcethis is actually a ubuntu machine
01:19.06SpaceAceit's my media centre
01:19.08markybobbad*
01:19.08markybobSpaceAce: then ask #ubuntu
01:19.16markybobSpaceAce: that's offtopic here
01:19.30SpaceAcesorry markybob. i forgot briefly that i'd switched over for it
01:19.32karlpincSpaceAce: Because we might break your ubuntu.
01:19.36SpaceAceright.
01:19.38SpaceAcethanks anyway
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01:22.19Fox682anyone have any experience setting up a box as a basic router?
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01:24.04markybobFox682: i'm sure an awful lot of us do. you should probably go to #netfilter for iptables help and #networking for generic
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01:25.14Fox682I have a fairly noob question,  I'm sure it's simple
01:25.33Fox682debian uses the /etc/network/interfaces file for setting up the interfaces right?
01:25.44awal1hm
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01:26.05Fox682I've got the DHCP server working, but it only works after the network interface is up
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01:26.34abrotmanFox682: that's one way, yes
01:26.40Fox682it fails on startup, but when I manually if eth1 an ip and mask, then restart the service, it hands out ip's like normal
01:26.58Fox682wow... *manually give eth1*
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01:27.33Fox682so I goto interfaces and try to assign eth1 an ip and mask that worked in the test, save reboot, fails...
01:27.49abrotmancan you put this in paste.debian.net?
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01:28.14Fox682hmm... it's a vbox with no internet access lol
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01:29.13Fox682i'll put it in manually
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01:31.06Fox682wait.. it's got 2 interfaces, let me see if I can get it online
01:31.45Fox682yeah got it, is there an easy way to output to pastebin direcly from console?
01:32.03markybob!pastebinit
01:32.42markybobdamn bot's taking a nap. yeah, install that then pipe to it
01:32.54Fox682oh ok
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01:34.06Fox682I'm so glad I got wifi back, my DD-WRT box was getting dusty lol
01:34.18abrotmandselect: pastebinit
01:34.18dselectpastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>.  NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com.  To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit".  See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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01:35.23Fox682going to have to install that on my main deb image, that's really useful
01:36.55awal1dselect, another bot? never heard about it :P
01:36.55dselectparse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, awal1
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01:37.12markybobawal1: yes
01:37.22awal1nice
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01:37.34abrotmanthe dpkg stand-in
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01:38.09awal1ok, ok
01:38.13Fox682I forgot how crappy the internet is out here, this may take an age. I'll get it eventually lol
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01:38.26zykotick9Fox682: <alternative to pastebinit> if you have netcat installed, you might, then "foo_command | nc termbin.com 9999" works.
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01:40.16Fox682it's getting the packages that's a pain
01:40.41abrotmandselect: pastewithoutx
01:40.41dselectInstall gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://paste.debian.net; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://paste.debian.net/ ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe>
01:40.41Fox682for some unknown reason vbox doesn't like my internet access and is slow and nearly unreliable...
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01:41.18Fox682I literally have to run a ping in the background to plow a path for it to work better...it's odd...
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01:47.34Fox682ok, here's what I got http://paste.debian.net/413805/
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01:48.14abrotmanFox682: you need an "allow-hotplug eth1" above the declaration
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01:48.48Fox682ah
01:48.49Fox682ok
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01:53.05floppyhttp://www.amway.ca/GinoGuimont
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01:55.01Fox682yeah, no thanks. been there done that
01:56.14Fox682yay! it works
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01:56.31Fox682now to get it to route them dern packets lol
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01:58.21RoyKFox682: NAT-ing?
01:59.53Fox682I'm thinking about that, guess I'm not really sure...
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02:01.15Fox682I've got a Vbox setup to be the router between the real world (bridged interface) into the VBox internal network running my nodes
02:01.38RoyKFox682: with an rfc1918 address on the inside, NAT will be your thing
02:01.53Fox682i'm a bit fuzzy on the rfcs
02:02.08RoyKhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network#Private_IPv4_address_spaces
02:02.31Fox682yeah got a 10.0
02:02.38RoyKnon-routable
02:03.09Fox682well i'm already on a 192 >.<
02:03.14RoyKso setup nat
02:03.33RoyKhttp://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/
02:03.36Fox682right, I got what you mean, sorry it's late for me
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02:04.06RoyKit's not hard
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02:04.35Fox682iptables?
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02:05.41RoyKFox682: or some custom ufw rules
02:05.47RoyKwhich is iptables
02:05.52RoyKso yes
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02:06.15Fox682lol ok, yeah I don't have ufw on the box, I've already got the interfaces configured at leats
02:06.27Fox682so I'll find an iptables method
02:06.53RoyKit's a oneliner
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02:09.20abrotmandpkg: hi
02:09.21dpkgque tal
02:09.23abrotman!foo
02:09.23dpkgmethinks foo is the probably first <metasyntactic variable>, it's a placeholder for some other term.  See http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html and <bar>, also read the Etymology of "Foo" (RFC3092).
02:09.29markyboboh yay
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02:10.25Fox682RoyK, I see a 2 liner, do you have a pointer on the one-liner?
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02:11.19RoyKFox682: iptables -o eth1 -s 10.0.0.0/24 -j MASQURADE # or something like that
02:11.57Fox682I found this: http://paste.debian.net/413818/
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02:12.44RoyKsecond rule shouldn't be needed
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02:13.17RoyKdepending on your firewall setup, of course
02:13.22markybobplus it hurts our heads
02:13.42Fox682now you've got me curious, why isn't the second line needed?
02:13.58RoyKhttps://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/firewall.html <-- written for ubuntu, but works on debian as well
02:15.05Fox682oh, it's under the Masquerading part
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02:16.03Fox682i'll give it a shot
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02:21.45Fox682wait, is this going to be persistent after reboot if I just put in the iptables entry?
02:21.58cafuegonope
02:22.00markybobFox682: no
02:22.06Fox682well dang it
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02:22.12Fox682I need to be able to reboot this thing
02:22.37cafuegoYou can add iptables-save and iptables-restore commands via the up an down stanzas on the interface.
02:22.52markybob!iptables-persistent
02:22.52dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, iptables-persistent is a utility to load an <iptables> rule file; see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables for more examples.  You can run iptables-restore manually, from an interface hook script (see interfaces(5) for information about "pre-up" scripts) or from an init script provided by the iptables-persistent package. This package can be removed from jessie systems, it's functionality is provided by netfilter-persistent.
02:23.15markybobso you have options
02:23.20abrotmanremember when netmasq made it easy?
02:23.40abrotmanipmasq
02:23.45Fox682yay, it works i'm routable :D but I need that persistence lol
02:24.54Fox682i'll try the iptables persistent
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02:27.28Fox682that was too easy... it asked me to save the current table setup for reboot... I'ma reboot it and see lol
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02:34.21Fox682well that's great my node isn't getting an IP now..
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02:39.39cheapieWell, I got KMS working with my Radeon HD 7790 using the "radeon" driver, but any attempt to start X fails with "modeset(0): Failed to initialize glamor at ScreenInit time" followed by "AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0". Any ideas?
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02:44.49Vaurhello, I'm trying to go from stable to testing, but I'm encoutering an issue during the dist-upgrade
02:45.00Vaurthe error is this: E: Internal Error, Could not early remove sysvinit-utils:amd64 (2)
02:45.35markybobVaur: testing isn't supported here per /testing. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
02:45.47Vaurok
02:46.12jmcnaughtcheapie: that's with no xorg.conf?
02:46.23cheapiejmcnaught: It is.
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02:46.57cheapiejmcnaught: Attempting to use an xorg.conf to force it to EXA fails, as it doesn't support that as far as I can tell.
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02:49.37jmcnaughtcheapie: did you try with a newer/older kernel?
02:50.00cheapiejmcnaught: 4.4 hangs during boot, and this is on 4.3. I can try 3.16.
02:50.07cheapietries that
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02:51.43Fox682oh , hahaha, freaking forwarding wasn't persistent... jebus...
02:51.45cheapieSame problem with 3.16 - identical error messages even.
02:51.58jmcnaughtcheapie: at least it's consistent
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02:52.26Ram_Hello
02:52.28cheapiejmcnaught: I'd prefer consistently working over consistently broken :P
02:52.48Fox682omg... you'd think setting forwarding would be persistent.
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02:53.17Ram_I am trying to compile a new kernel; I get this error even after disabling CONFIG_X509_CERT
02:53.31Ram_No rule to make target 'y', needed by 'certs/signing_key.x509'.  Stop.
02:53.34markybobFox682: no you wouldn't
02:54.00markybobFox682: you know iptables works in memory and doesn't actually store anything on disk
02:54.20Fox682if i did then I wouldn't be suprised
02:54.39Fox682is there a way to make it persistent over reboots lol
02:54.53markybobi already told you how
02:54.57dvs,v iptables-persistent
02:54.58juddPackage: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.0.20100801; wheezy: 0.5.7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.5.7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; stretch: 1.0.4; sid: 1.0.4
02:55.04markybobi told him that
02:55.10dvsO_O
02:55.43Fox682you did, it saves the iptables but it didn't have an effect on the forwarding
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02:55.59cheapieWell, I'll ask again in an hour or so.
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02:56.23jmcnaughtFox682: do you mean /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ?
02:56.56Fox682yeah, unless... hang on... I think iptables-persistent service isn't working, let me see if i can confirm
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02:57.39jmcnaughtFox682: you can spare some confusion by using more words :) Also this page might be helpful for you: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall
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02:59.54Fox682it looks like iptables-persistent isn't running on startup I try "service iptables-persistent start" and get nothing
03:00.03Fox682"no such file or directory"
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03:01.45jmcnaughtFox682: are you on Jessie? Read the "/msg dpkg iptables-persistent" again
03:02.05dvsFox682, /usr/share/doc/iptables-persistent/README
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03:02.29Fox682yeah I'm on jessie, I'll read the readme and get the dpkg
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03:03.47jmcnaughtFox682: i prefer to use iptables-restore with a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/
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03:05.27Fox682ah, so it's called netfilter persistent and yes it's running
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03:06.27n-iCeguys, which is the lightweightest DE debian can run in the live cd iso
03:06.36n-iCemate xfce or lxde?
03:06.46n-iCeor maybe cinammon?
03:07.42markybobn-iCe: definitely not cinammon. xfce vs lxde is tough. i use xfce.
03:07.59n-iCemore stable right?
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03:08.30markybobn-iCe: in my opinion it's the best lightweight
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03:08.38n-iCeawsome, downloading it.
03:08.39jmcnaughtn-iCe: we have a special on right now where you could try three for the price of one :)
03:08.40n-iCeawesome
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03:08.46n-iCeLong time since I don't use Debian.
03:08.55n-iCejmcnaught: what do you mean¡
03:08.59AlexLikeRockDebían ir better
03:09.26AlexLikeRockTry MATE n-Ce
03:09.33n-iCemate?
03:09.42markybobthat's not lightweight at all
03:09.50n-iCeYeah I want something lightweight
03:09.53markybobit's terrible if that's what you want
03:09.58n-iCeI'm downloading xfce
03:10.14n-iCeis ok to download live? I mean, does it include an installer right?
03:10.20AlexLikeRockMATE its Gnome2
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03:10.38markybobn-iCe: yeah that's fine. unless you need uefi or firmware.
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03:12.00n-iCegood 8.3 is stable?
03:12.07markybobn-iCe: yes.
03:12.18dvsof course!
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03:13.11n-iCewhat about testing?
03:13.22dvsof course NOT!
03:13.28n-iCejeeze? does anyone use it? worth it? or go with stable
03:13.29n-iCebetter
03:13.36markybobn-iCe: that's not supported here per /topic
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03:13.58n-iCewow tht's new
03:14.05n-iCeso let's go stable then :)
03:14.11n-iCethakns markybob
03:14.14markybobyes stable :)
03:14.24n-iCemarkybob: what tips do you have after install Debian
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03:15.15markybobn-iCe: debian wiki is pretty good. also archlinux has great docs that almost always works.
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03:16.11n-iCehow was the name to move debian to a usb flash to make it boot?
03:16.15n-iCeforgot
03:16.48n-iCewas not dd
03:17.01jmcnaughtn-iCe: if you already have linux, you can use "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX"
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03:17.38n-iCereally? that's new
03:17.46jmcnaughtn-iCe: also once you have it installed, my advice is stick to the packages in the Debian official repos as much as possible. the more you stray, the more complexity you introduce
03:17.49markybobn-iCe: sort of
03:17.57dvsand sync!!!
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03:18.09markybobn-iCe: yes, you better sync
03:18.16n-iCehehe ok
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03:18.27n-iCe7 minutes remains till the download finishes
03:18.34n-iCeso let's just wait, thank you guys.
03:18.46dvshurry up!!!!
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03:24.42MarvelDigitalso i wnated to install jessie.  I downloaded the iso from the website and loaded it on the usbkey.  I rebooted with the USBkey inside the computer, but it just hangs with a blink "_".. it's been 15 minutes, should it be this long or do i have a faulty copy or something else?
03:25.15markybobMarvelDigital: you're probably using uefi, right?
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03:26.03MarvelDigitalmarkybob, oh...probably...i didn't check... i guess that would be the problem?
03:26.10markybobMarvelDigital: yes that sucks. live doesn't support it. and none support secure boot.
03:26.47markybobMarvelDigital: so check your settings
03:27.24MarvelDigitalmarkybob, thanks. i'll try legacy and see if that does anything.
03:28.13abrotmanhow did you prepare the USB drive?
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03:32.24markybobMarvelDigital: abrotman's question is really relavent and important
03:32.39MarvelDigitalabrotman, new partition set to MSDos, ext4 and then just copied the iso from the website as stated
03:33.16MarvelDigitalthen debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso file from the debian official website.
03:33.33abrotmanwebsite?
03:33.35abrotmancopied?
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03:34.07abrotmanMarvelDigital: how did you "copy" it?
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03:35.33dedgecumbeMarvelDigital: 'new partition' is not required, you must block copy the image directly on to the usb drive from the first sector onwards
03:35.44dedgecumbethe partition set up is included within the image
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03:38.36abrotmanalmost like I'm not asking questions ..
03:38.51dvsdid someone hear something?
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03:39.12n-iCeok
03:41.11cheapiejmcnaught (as well as whoever else was trying to help me earlier): It's working now! (finally)
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03:41.22cheapieThe magic command was "apt-get remove glx-diversions".
03:41.43cheapieKMS, OpenGL, etc. is all working great now.
03:41.49MarvelDigitalabrotman, yes...i just drag and dropped it... maybe i read the instructions wrong? i'll try to find the page again...
03:42.11n-iCewhat can I use besides cp to move the debian iso into a flash usb memory and make it boot?
03:42.14MarvelDigitaldedgecumbe, so i shouldn't have formated the USB?
03:42.18n-iCeI mean, what If I'm not in Linux.
03:42.24dvsMarvelDigital, drag and drop onto a USB drive?  That's almost certainly wrong.
03:42.49dvsn-iCe, win32diskimager
03:42.51dedgecumbeMarvelDigital: anything you do prior to block copying it onto the drive is immaterial
03:43.00n-iCedvs: dd does work?
03:43.08dedgecumben-iCe: sure
03:43.08qmrcan someone poke the bot so he gives me the needful re etch release key?
03:43.11abrotmanMarvelDigital: are you doing this from Windows or linux?
03:43.11dvsn-iCe, oh, that works too
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03:43.19abrotmanqmr: the what?
03:43.26n-iCededgecumbe: dvs what about cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb; sync
03:43.28n-iCestill working?
03:43.37qmrfor some reason my packages can't be authenticated
03:43.41dvsn-iCe, I've never used that method.
03:44.06abrotmanqmr: you'll want to read the instrucdtions at archive.debian.org, but you're probably SoL.  And not really sure why you're using Etch
03:44.15qmris it ded?
03:44.21abrotmanqmr: see /topic
03:44.38dedgecumben-iCe: sure, that works. they're all equivalent.
03:44.59qmryikes, no security updates eh
03:45.00MarvelDigitalabrotman, from linux.
03:45.07n-iCededgecumbe: bash: /dev/sdb: Permission denied
03:45.13dedgecumben-iCe: need to be root user
03:45.17abrotmanMarvelDigital: right, no, you don't need to format it, and you copy the ISO to the device, not hte partition
03:45.19qmrhave to upgrade or rebuild this tomorrow.  I'm confused though, why are packages left in the repo not signed?
03:45.44n-iCededgecumbe: I did sudo before
03:45.53abrotmanqmr: see archive.debian.org
03:45.59dedgecumben-iCe: the redirection happens in the user context and not the root one
03:46.14dedgecumben-iCe: cat debian.iso | sudo tee /dev/sdb
03:46.29n-iCeok
03:46.31abrotmanor just don't use sudo .. jeez
03:46.32n-iCethanks
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03:46.47dedgecumbeerr and redirect tee to /dev/null
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03:46.51dedgecumbeor your terminal will fill with turd
03:48.32qmrabrotman:  erm.  sorry.  not sure where I came up with etch.  this is squeeze
03:48.54MarvelDigitalabrotman, thanks i'll give that a whirl...
03:49.14abrotmanqmr: squeeze is under LTS I guess .. not sure about the key
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03:49.57abrotmanqmr: maybe try #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net
03:50.13qmrhttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657561  <-  possibly related?
03:50.13abrotmanruns away
03:50.14juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/657561 in apt (closed): «apt-get chokes on bad files, needs manual intervention to fix the situation»; severity: important; opened: 2012-01-27; last modified: 2015-12-26.
03:50.29abrotmanno, probably not .. ask the LTS channel
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03:52.43MarvelDigitalmarkybob, abrotman, dedgecumbe thank you for your time... it's not beautifully made. i'm so happy...
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03:56.19Lenguys for sid I don't need updates & security repos, right?
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04:00.44wqeLen: correct
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04:03.43Lenwqe: thanks
04:04.03MarvelDigitalthe usb key has the files but the PC isn't booting into the installer...i have it set on legacy with secure boot off..i can read the files when i plug it into linux, boot, casper, dists, isolinux, pool, presseed, MD5SUMS...
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04:04.27dedgecumbeMarvelDigital: how did you copy it this time
04:05.18AlexLikeRockGNU
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04:05.34AlexLikeRockGNU = OS
04:05.48AlexLikeRockLinux = Kernel
04:06.24wqeAlexLikeRock: what if he isn't running GNU
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04:09.54AlexLikeRockDo you have glib6?
04:10.08AlexLikeRockWqe
04:10.45AlexLikeRock(Answer = yes)
04:11.34AlexLikeRockSo... You are Running  GNU !
04:11.37AlexLikeRock;-)
04:11.41wqeI never said I wasn't
04:12.11sypherwqe: Do you have something topically relevant to discuss?
04:12.21AlexLikeRockYes
04:12.56AlexLikeRockSystemD are'nt freedoom!
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04:15.06AlexLikeRockQuake  Debian
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04:29.43MarvelDigitaldedgecumbe, i copied it using cp to the /dev/sdb1 followed by sync
04:30.15dedgecumbeMarvelDigital: you want /dev/sdb
04:30.21dedgecumbeMarvelDigital: /dev/sdb1 is the first partition on /dev/sdb
04:31.21dedgecumbeMarvelDigital: the reason it won't work is because the bootloader needs to be on the first sector of the usb drive (file descriptor /dev/sdb); if you copy it to /dev/sdb1, that's a point that's arbitrarily further on through the disk; your bios has no idea that the bootloader resides there
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04:32.06dedgecumbesometimes it feels absurd to me that one character can make all of the difference, but such is life
04:32.21dedgecumbethese machines are rather exacting
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04:33.28MarvelDigitaldedgecumbe, thanks i'm such an idiot. hopefully this will now work. thanks again
04:33.57dedgecumbeMarvelDigital: just human, don't worry, in time you'll become cybernetic
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05:31.50ironpill_hi all, what's the difference between debian (jessie, wheezy) and openWRT for running on a x86 machine that is used as a router?
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05:33.18iateadonuti have to connect through a VPN (through vpnc) to get to a server.  I'm wondering if there's a way to connect only in a terminal through the VPN while all my other traffic route normally?
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05:33.52MarvelDigitaldedgecumbe, thanks a lot. it works...now to figure out how i'm gonna partition my hard drive tonight... haha
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05:37.02jmcnaughtMarvelDigital: the guided partitioning usually does a pretty good job, and you can go back in the installer and tweak it. You should consider using LVM for future flexibility. There's also an appendix of the installer manual that discusses partition sizes
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06:00.48MarvelDigitaljmcnaught, thanks i'll look into that...
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07:08.06hanshenrik_i have made a windows xp VM with kvm.. 2x cpu cores and its a clean install, literally nothing except virtio drivers installed on it. its up and running, taskmanager reports 0% cpu usage...
07:08.32hanshenrik_but qemu-system-x86_64  binary is using ~210% cpu (100% of 2x cores and then som)
07:08.37hanshenrik_-- according to htop
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07:09.04hanshenrik_any idea why?
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07:10.06__marcoHope you don't mind the question, but can I use sbuild in Debian to build Ubuntu packages?
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07:10.44__marcoI need to build both, Ubuntu and Debian packages of a program of mine
07:10.45somiaj__marco: does sbuild automate creating a ubuntu chroot to build the package in?
07:11.19somiaj__marco: deboostrap can create ubuntu chroots and you can build in there. debian has a program called pbuilder with automates the creating of these chroots and building process. Unsure if it works with ubuntu mirrors or not.
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07:14.53__marcosomiaj: I don't know, this is why I ask. I am learning sbuild (and it is not really easy to approach). I would like to build the packages for both dists using only one technique
07:15.57somiaj__marco: sbuild is in debian and uses chroots. I personally just manually create the chroots so I'm unsure on how the automated tools work.
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07:16.14__marcoI see
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07:16.47somiajbut yes, the tool should work for both, just have to configure it to use differnt chroots
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07:20.23__marcosomiaj: you pointed me to the right way. from sbuild-createchroot(1), sbuild uses debootstrap. The supported dists are in /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts
07:21.01__marcoI would think that it supports Ubuntu too
07:21.19somiaj__marco: chroots make nice clean build enviroments. And you can most likely run the chroots for ubuntu on debian or visa versa
07:21.37somiajas long as you are building you'll be fine. Testing gui packages may be a different story
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07:26.17__marcoI think you are right. I'll be happy if I can easily automate the build process.
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07:27.18__marcoIdeally I want to build packages for debian stable/testing/unstable and ubuntu precise/trusty/xenial and ideally both i386 and amd64
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07:27.56somiajyou'll need a chroot for each target.
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07:30.29__marcohow can I delete a schroot? Do I only have to remove the relative file in /etc/schroot/chroot.d/
07:30.32__marco?
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07:34.15MikazeAnyone know what happened to /etc/inittab in Jessie?
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07:36.31__marcomine is there
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07:36.50MikazeOh, friggin great.
07:37.30MikazeI'm wondering if my  8 year-old drive just lost it.
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07:38.19MikazeNow I'm scared to reboot.
07:38.46daxmy stretch install doesn't have it
07:38.51daxi suspect systemd doesn't use it
07:38.52__marcobut apt-file don't report it
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07:39.33MikazeHmmm.  Wonder how Ctrl-Alt-Del is handled now.
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07:43.12somiajMikaze: systemd controls the consoles, what are you wanting to setup?
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07:43.45MikazeI was only wondering where inittab disappeared to.
07:44.46somiajsystem now controls all this via its unit files
07:45.16MikazeI keep expecting someone to come along, pat me on the head and tell me to go play and leave the OS to "us."
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07:47.20Mikazesystemd, huh?  Thanks.  Least now I know where to look.
07:47.27MikazeKeep well...
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07:58.12pragomer_1whats best way to try kde 5.x under debian? changing to unstable? using backports? other ways?
07:58.34somiajmost likely it won't be backported, so you would have to upgrade to testing to use it
07:58.53somiajwhcih of course can be bugs and other issues.
07:59.10r6kupragomer_1: there were problems with kde5 in unstable the last time I tried it, how about trying another live distro?
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08:00.56pragomer_1yes.. I am searching for a distro where kde5 is "nearly" stable.. kubuntu is cruel (about stability with kde5)... suse and manjaro arent my distris of choice.. running fedora23 kde at the moment.. but I come from deb-package system.. so I would like to have alook if debian would be a choice
08:01.28pragomer_1fedora23 kde is ok.. likely stable
08:02.33pragomer_1ahm.. theres no debian-kde5-live-iso, right?
08:03.17r6kupragomer_1: not yet, maybe once debian 9 comes out :p
08:03.29somiajafiak there aren't live images for testing at the moment.
08:03.52somiajin debian you'll have to wait for debian 9 or play around with testing. But that can be a wild ride
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08:04.48pragomer_1ok. but thanks for the help-and-hints
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08:51.02emesaHi, I want to add an logical ip address using the ip command, How can tell to ip command that this ip address is an secondary ip?
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09:00.16jbackemesa: ifconfig eth0:n?
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09:00.23jbackor w/e interface it is
09:00.47cheleemesa by default every address after the first one is secondary already as long as its on the same subnet.
09:04.11emesachele: the problem is that, I want to add the secondary in the first place and after add the global ip, but thanks anyway, I found the way to archive what I'm doing
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09:06.58cheleI see the same outcome either way.
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09:08.14atralheavenHello, I have debian installed, now I want to install windows in another partition, I know I will lose the linux bootloader and won't be able to boot to linux, how can I fix it?
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09:09.47MyWayI think from a live cd
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09:10.07Mathisenatralheaven, live cd .. chroot into system and re-run grub-install
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09:10.30atralheavenMathisen: what is chrooting?
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09:11.57Mathisenatralheaven, simple answer you change active system so to say from live cd to the one you have on hd..
09:12.10Mathisengoogle to get better info
09:12.17Mathisenmy answer is not the best :)
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09:13.58jbackalso, how would chrooting work if you are not able to *boot* your debian anymore
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09:16.42Mathisenjback, thats why you boot from live cd first :) then mount the system from hd
09:16.50jbackah yep
09:16.51jback:)
09:16.58jbackseems solid
09:17.11jbackwant to modify grub as well to allow booting through to windows again
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09:25.25atralheavenMathisen: like ssh, but into a not booted system in this case, right?
09:27.45Mathisenatralheaven, yes
09:27.58Mathisenthats way better then my answer :)
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09:29.21dagerikshould I be worried
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09:49.57lss9how are passwords in /etc/shadow encrypted / hashed?
09:49.59lss9in jessie
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09:50.15dageriklss9: sha1
09:50.17dageriki think
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09:53.14dageriklss9: in /etc/shadow the password string has leading $ and some number.
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09:53.22dagerikthe dollar specifies the hash method.
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09:54.10dagerikadditionally there is salt. also the password is hashed many times over to increase password checking time
09:54.38lss9guess it's pkdf2? how many rounds, do you know?
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10:18.58elmcresthey everyone. I need to repair a broken raid, and first of all one of the partially failed drives seems to still do the "boot job", so I assume the boot sector works while the drive itself doesn't anymore. I kind of validated this with plugging off the drives while trying to replace those with new ones. long story short, how can I validate the boot sector
10:18.58elmcrestand then copy it to other drives?
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10:19.44elmcrestI think it would be convenient to have the boot sector on all drives, right? ... any help would be really nice :)
10:20.03msnelmcrest: which raid level?
10:20.17elmcrestraid 10 with mdadm
10:20.26elmcrestit was setup from the debian installer fyi
10:20.33elmcrests/from/with
10:20.44msnboot sector would be on the disk you isntalled it on
10:20.48msngenearllly sda
10:21.07__marcodo you know if I can convert a schroot dir to a tarball?
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10:22.03elmcrestmsn: seems correct, I can see boot is sda with fdisk -l
10:22.18elmcrestmsn: hmm no maybe I'm wrong
10:22.38msncheck on sdb too
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10:22.50msnthe boot partition would be on 2 disks
10:22.57msnbut the boot sector on 1
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10:23.17elmcrestmsn can you give me a hint how to check this?
10:23.26msnfdisk -l will show
10:23.33elmcresthmm ok
10:23.38msnalso how many disks do you think have failed?
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10:23.54msnif 2 have FAILED for sure its gone
10:24.09msn1 disk ofcourse you can replace anytime
10:24.31msnif 2 have failed on the same side of raid 1 then you can replace
10:24.38elmcrest1 drive failed totally, another partial
10:24.52elmcrestyeah
10:24.56msnwell replace the totally failed drive
10:25.04msnand stop all usage of the raid
10:25.08msnand see if it rebuilds
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10:25.15msnif it does just replace parital then
10:25.37elmcrest<PROTECTED>
10:25.42msnmmm
10:25.42elmcrestI replaced one out of 2
10:25.44msnwhich 2?
10:25.56elmcrest[_U_U] if that helps :)
10:26.02msnyes
10:26.04msnreplaceable
10:26.10msnreplace both and wait and watch
10:26.11msn:)
10:26.13elmcrestyeah, it's also still running
10:26.29msn[__UU] or [UU__] that's bad
10:26.32elmcrestyeah, but I can't replace the second (which probably is sda) because there is the boot sector :)
10:26.43msngrub-install /dev/sda
10:26.44elmcrestsda is also failed regarding to mdadm
10:26.57msngrub-install /dev/sdb
10:27.06elmcrestok could I grub-install /dev/sd[abcd] ?
10:27.13msnnot all 4
10:27.18msnbut first 2 for sure
10:27.21elmcrestok
10:27.27msnboth disks with boot partitions
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10:27.41elmcrestah, hold on, it's GPT based ... no difference?
10:27.46msnnope
10:27.50elmcrestok
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10:28.07elmcrestgrub-install command not found ... weird
10:28.08msnif it doesnt' work try changing boot order for disks in bios
10:28.17msngrub2-install
10:28.17elmcrestI'm in a recovery mode btw
10:28.26elmcrestok cool
10:28.29msnin recovery mode ah
10:28.38msnyou might wanna let mdadm finish then
10:28.45msnyou are good replace both disks
10:28.47elmcrestnope no grub2-install too ...
10:28.52msnlet the raid rebuild finish
10:29.11msnonce both raid is built mount the md device on /target
10:29.17elmcrestgrub-mkimage?
10:29.19msnchroot /target and then grub-install
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10:29.34elmcrestso hot plugging the drives?
10:29.37msnnope
10:29.48msnjust keep working ni recovery until eveyrthing is done
10:30.03msnjust let it finish building this disk first
10:30.09elmcrestyeah besides that I can't boot into recovery if I replace the failed drive
10:30.09msnthen do the enxt one in another receoveyr
10:30.16msnyou can
10:30.18elmcrestah ok
10:30.21msnPXE/debian disk
10:30.37msnanything can be used tos tart recovery
10:30.49msneven a CD based distro is recovery
10:31.00msnor USB based
10:31.07elmcrestyeah ok sure
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10:31.29msnALso
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10:31.53msnif one disk is built good then you can still do a mount /dev/md<x> /target
10:31.56msnchroot /target
10:32.03msnand grub2-install /dev/sdb
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10:33.09elmcrestdoes mdadm setup the drive for me according to what is needed? ... like partitioning and LVM?
10:33.31elmcrestah no, doesn't
10:33.40hojgaardHi. I am wondering if it is possible to set nofile soft and hard limits to more than 65536 for a specific user, or does it have to be globally higher before i can set it for one specific user?
10:34.14msnelmcrest: mdadm is just tool you do iwth it how you like
10:34.37msnhojgaard: <user> nofile soft 100000
10:34.40msnand same for hard
10:34.57hojgaardok, and what is the upper limit?
10:35.06msnsame thing with hard
10:35.21msnbut i think you would still need kernel max_files parameter to be higher then that
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10:35.38elmcrestmsn: ok thx so far
10:36.03hojgaardmsn ok, thanks
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10:59.30hanshuberHi! Whats the difference between "squeeze/updates" and "squeeze-updates" in this context: "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" vs "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free"
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11:01.41hanshuberAnyone?
11:02.01AlwaysHi-Wouldnt know is its just same but different way to write?
11:02.07hanshuber(I just lost connection and maybe haven't seen if someone answered above)
11:02.15hanshuberAlwaysHi-: I don't know
11:02.18AlwaysHi-no1 said anything
11:02.30AlwaysHi-i would assume theres nothing different
11:02.44AlwaysHi-its defining the same shit
11:03.01hanshuberAlwaysHi-: What did no1 say? Can't see it anymore because lost connectin before
11:03.15AlwaysHi-i mean no one said anything
11:03.22AlwaysHi-hanshuber> Hi! Whats the difference between "squeeze/updates" and "squeeze-updates" in this context: "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" vs "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free"
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11:03.49hanshuberok thanks
11:04.21ghormoonhi, can i somehow make xfreerdp more verbose? I can't find out why it doesn't share /drive:name,/some/path
11:04.30hanshuberYeah so probably it defines the "same shit"
11:04.31hanshuber:)
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11:27.13lorenzohi, is there a specific channel for emdebian?
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11:29.47gnugrlorenzo: #debian-emdedded on irc.oftc.net
11:29.55lorenzothank you
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11:43.52nilekadais it possible to have Debian encrypt only a partition, not the whole disk?
11:43.58nilekadaDuring installation
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11:44.50markybobnilekada: yes it does give you that choice
11:45.23jimalong same lines... is it possible to encrypt partitions separately, so they each have a different pass phrase?
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11:45.52markybobyes
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11:46.23jimthanks, just curious
11:47.36nilekadamarkybob: how do you do it?
11:48.05markybobnilekada: just do manual partitioing and select encryption
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11:48.23nilekadaFor example, you want to partition the largest free space using LVM on LUKS
11:48.50markybobnilekada: you have to go to manual partitioning
11:49.13nilekadamarkybob: thanks
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11:51.04__marcoI am trying to maintain a repository with few debs, but it is very hard
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11:51.51__marcoFirst, I want both the i386 and amd64 architectures, but the orig file is the same
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11:52.39__marcoreprepro report an error because in the second build, the checksum of the orig changes
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11:53.25__marcohow to handle both architectures and source?
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11:54.12__marcowhat I do now, is building a first *binary* package for an architecture and than the *binary and source* package for the second one. Is this approach right?
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11:56.00__marcoSecond question, I would like to maintain more dists (stable, oldstable, testing and unstable). The builded packaged has the same name for all the dists and this don't like to reprepro too.
11:56.25__marcoxxx.deb is already registered with different checksums
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11:57.35__marcoWhat I did before, is building only one binary for all the dists. Now that I try to build a different package for every dist, I get this error
11:57.46__marcoAgain, how can I handle this?
11:58.52jelly__marco: you should make packages built for different suites use different versions
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12:01.37__marcojelly: yes, I thought that, but I fell it an hack
12:01.52__marcos/fell/feel/
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12:02.44jelly__marco: it's not a hack, it's the only way to make sure the package is upgraded when the whole OS gets a release upgrade
12:03.11jellythis is how official backports work, for example
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12:04.02__marcoI did think it. Thanks
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12:05.19__marcowhat do you think about source packages? Is it good, how I build them?
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12:06.51jelly__marco: no idea about that, sorry.  You may want to ask in #debian-mentors on the irc.oftc.net irc network
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12:07.53jimin debian, source pkgs come as (usually) 3 files, the original tarball, a diff that would be applied when the tarball is extracted, and a file with some metadata, and yes, -mentors can show you how they're built
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12:10.00pawieckiHello! :) I have clean installation of Debian 8. I installed sudo and added my local user 'pawiecki' to sudo group: useradd pawiecki sudo. Then after relogin I added another user via sudo, but i can not change his password, with 'sudo passwd newuser'. I think I should change sudo config for 'pawiecki' but what should I change?
12:10.09__marcojim: the problem is the file orig.tar.gz. I don't have the exacly error message, but it is like the one that I reported
12:10.26__marcojim: "... is already registered with different checksums"
12:10.43__marcobut I will ask there. thanks for your attention
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12:14.33__marcoI cannot join #debian-mentors, invite only channel
12:14.48markybob__marco: wrong network. oftc
12:14.52__marcooh
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12:16.48jellypawiecki: it's "adduser pawiecki sudo" not "useradd pawiecki sudo"
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12:17.15jellypawiecki: I don't know what your command does.
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12:18.54msg31Hello. I'm trying to find a Debian 8.0 cd.
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12:19.14msg31I need an older version to test a few things with a patch I'm developing
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12:20.28jellydpkg, tell msg31 about cd archive
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12:22.35msg31jelly, cheers, thanks!
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12:30.17pawieckijelly: you are right. I was using instructions from https://wiki.debian.org/sudo. My problem is that I cannot change password of another local user via 'sudo passwd anotheruser'.
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12:35.28jellypawiecki: okay.  Which debian release are you using?
12:35.51jellypawiecki: does output of "id -a" confirm you added the group correctly?
12:36.03sir123how can I set up a local repository of my own built packages? TIA
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12:37.14j4sonsir123: i would look at using something like aptly
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12:37.58menaceHi, is there a mechanism to test if the debian server are available before an apt-get update is run? is there any hook?
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12:38.00pawieckijelly: it's 8, up to date. But i think it's my fault. In the mean time i have deleted new user and added him again with 'sudo adduser newuser' and it showed information about adding new group, adding him to new group and then asked me to input new password. It's confusing, that there's (bad) useradd, and (good) adduser.
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12:41.22nkuttlermenace: available?
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12:41.41nkuttlermenace: what are you trying to do?
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12:42.32menacei have a debian box here, where  i don't know whether i have access, because sometimes the internet is shut off.. or firewalls have changed
12:43.39nkuttlermenace: access to what?
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12:44.26menaceto the server which contains the debian repositories which are in my sources.list/sources.list.d* files
12:44.32ttl-hi, i'm trying to switch from stable to testing but i'm hitting a problem: E: Internal Error, Could not early remove sysvinit-utils:amd64 (2)
12:44.44nkuttlermenace: are you running something like apt-cron and want to make sure the network is up, or ... ?
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12:45.17menacesomething like that, yes. i have only access to the internet, if a certain RemoteAccessPoint is available.
12:45.34ttl-E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package sysvinit-utils:amd64 due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop.
12:45.36menacei thought of first pinging the servers, but i thought, there is some inherent mechanism in apt.
12:45.51ttl-is there a safe way around this ?
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12:45.56nkuttlermenace: yeah, not sure if there is another way
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12:46.12nkuttler!tell ttl- about debian-next
12:46.25ttl-nkuttler: thanks
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12:50.24ttl-nkuttler: in the first place a was trying to install xserver-xorg-video-intel from testing with same result, my screen is tearing all the time and turning TearFree on makes the driver crash all of the time
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12:54.40nkuttlerttl-: testing support is not on topic here
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12:55.34c0fe_machinethis isn't for support
12:55.39c0fe_machineof any kind
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12:57.00ttl-nkuttler: yes, sorry...
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13:02.10TxGVNNhi everyone, i can't exec ls-create without root
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13:02.47TxGVNNi use jessie with systemd
13:03.58TxGVNNwhen i run lxc-create -n test1 -t debian
13:04.11TxGVNNit report:
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13:05.09TxGVNNcan anyone help me?
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13:07.14babilenTxGVNN: Do you have uidmap installed?
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13:07.34TxGVNNi have installed it
13:07.58TxGVNNi have installed follow https://wiki.debian.org/LXC
13:08.22TxGVNNand when i run lxc-checkconfig
13:08.26TxGVNNit's ok
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13:08.36babilenThat doesn't mention uidmap, does it?
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13:09.21TxGVNNyep sir
13:09.56TxGVNNbut i have config it at .config/lxc/default.conf
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13:17.27sp4nkyhello, is it safe to switch from jessie to wheezy on debian 8?
13:18.05colo-workI'm not sure what you are talking about, but the answer to the question you should be asking instead is probably "no".
13:18.15colo-workyou can't downgrade releases
13:18.49sp4nkycolo-work thank you :(
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13:20.00teraflopssp4nky: you cannot. If youre bored and wanted to try it, that nonsense is unsupported here
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13:21.18petn-randallsp4nky: Why do you want to downgrade?
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13:33.16maddawg2hey all...  I'm looking to start using debian... been a long time ubuntu user, and mainly had a couple questions regarding setting up debian... first is there a Debian Server and a Debian Desktop build (as there is with ubuntu)
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13:33.40babilenThere isn't
13:33.49maddawg2so are all debian released CLI only?
13:33.53AxForestnope
13:33.56maddawg2cuz that's what i want
13:33.58maddawg2oh
13:34.08babilenNo, not at all. You can install a variety of desktop environments during installation
13:34.13maddawg2oh ok
13:34.26babilenJust don't install the "Desktop" task if you *do not* want that :)
13:34.30AxForesty or u can load without gui or with xfce already included
13:34.39TomTomToschmaddawg2, in the installer  you can decide to simply not install a DE.
13:34.54roziebut you can install everything later
13:34.55maddawg2which brings me my next question... i notice on the debian site there's a number of ISO (DVD) named   debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
13:35.02maddawg2all the way up to debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso
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13:35.06babilenPick the expert installation if you want to be asked all the pesky and detailed questions
13:35.06syphermaddawg2: You only need the first one.
13:35.07roziemaddawg2: choose netiso if you have good connection
13:35.10maddawg2do i need all 3 or just the first one?
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13:35.22syphermaddawg2: Or, as rozie said, the net installer.
13:35.22AxForestwhat kind of connection u got?
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13:35.34maddawg2rozile i have a gigabit up and down... is that good enough for a netinstall ;-P
13:35.39AxForesty
13:35.43AxForestuse it
13:35.48roziei might be enough ;)
13:36.00AxForesti would love to have gbit >.<
13:36.01maddawg2lol just got it
13:36.02rozieespecially if you have copper, not wifi
13:36.06maddawg2fiber
13:36.06babilenmaddawg2: You wouldn't even need that if you have a working internet connection. The entirety of the CD/DVD/BD sets include *all* packages in Debian. The installer on the first disk is capable of installing Debian just fine and the different images simply include a different set of packages
13:36.17maddawg2tho to my desktop its cat6
13:36.19babilendpkg: firmware image
13:36.19dpkgUnofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ .  See also <install guide>.
13:36.22roziebabilen: not true. security ;)
13:36.24themill(the netinst can complete without even having a working network connection)
13:36.57babilenrozie: I don't quite follow
13:36.57maddawg2ok so the netintsall is part of the ISO?
13:37.04maddawg2i dont need a seperate image for that?
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13:37.11AxForestseperate iso
13:37.17maddawg2oh
13:37.24babilenmaddawg2: What do you refer to by "netinstall" exactly here?
13:37.26AxForest64bit?
13:37.34roziebabilen: if you install from DVDs, this system will be out of date
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13:37.39rozieno security patches
13:37.44maddawg2gotcha
13:37.54maddawg2i'm gonna try the netinstall
13:37.57maddawg2i'm doing it to a vm
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13:38.03maddawg2so i gotta figure that out first lol
13:38.09babilenIn the context of Debian it denotes a specific image that is meant to be used for installing Debian when you have a working internet connection (even though you can use that for a minimal install without)
13:38.14rozienetiso is good for VMs
13:38.14AxForesthttps://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ @ maddawg2
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13:39.07maddawg2yep found it just downloading now
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13:39.24babilenrozie: That depends on how close to a point release you'll be .. but still, the CD1/DVD1/... images still include everything you need for installing Debian in that specific flavour. I never claimed that the packages on it are always up-to-date.
13:39.40roziemaddawg2: if you use hypervisor that support cloud-init, official cloud images would be better
13:39.44maddawg2i'm trying to set up a ocs inventory server in debian... i originally tried with ubuntu but the directions weren't quite working
13:39.55babilenmaddawg2: I'd download the netinstall with firmware (linked earlier) from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/
13:39.55maddawg2ubuntu changed alot since they were written so they dont implement things the same
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13:40.22maddawg2so now i'm gonna try using the debian guide
13:40.28maddawg2which might be more up to date
13:40.40babilenmaddawg2: Once you are done with the installation do not forget to install intel-microcode or amd64-microcode for Intel or AMD CPUs respectively.
13:40.57maddawg2well it'll be a vm on an intel
13:41.01maddawg264-bit
13:41.02babilenah
13:41.13rozieno need for microcode then
13:41.17babilennope
13:41.17maddawg2yea
13:41.39roziemaddawg2: which virtualisation/hypervisor?
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13:41.57roziekvm works like a charm
13:42.09maddawg2rozie for testing purposes i'm just using vmware workstation... when in production tho my boss wants me to use the hyper-v server he has
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13:42.21maddawg2but i'd like to use vmware esxi :-(
13:42.36maddawg2he sucks on MS titties
13:42.50syphermaddawg2: ESXi is no more capable than Hyper-V, honestly. But that's off-topic.
13:43.07syphermaddawg2: When you deploy to Hyper-V, you have to use a Gen 1 VM unless you want to dig in with powershell to disable secure boot.
13:43.07maddawg2yea i just dont like the layout of hyper-v
13:43.38syphermaddawg2: I'm sure your boss will let you pony up the money for ESXi if you feel that strongly about it. ;)
13:43.47maddawg2i already have it
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13:44.03maddawg2we were on ESXi then they acquired us and made us switch
13:44.08maddawg2to what they used
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13:44.11maddawg2which was hyper-v
13:44.24syphermaddawg2: Makes sense. Anyway, there's that caveat to Debian on Hyper-V.
13:44.34maddawg2good to know
13:44.43mirazi_heketis there any equivalent for admuncher for debian?
13:46.01terxxHi, short question, is there a good deduplication solution around for debian?
13:46.33maddawg2so what version of debian is considered "Debian Squeeze"
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13:46.53darxmurfterxx: ? what do you mean with "deduplication"
13:46.56elmcrestcan someone give me a hint about this "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible!."?
13:47.24dx486maddawg2, http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/
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13:47.44darxmurfelmcrest: when you use EFI+GPT you need a first partition (around 100mb) to store some files
13:47.45terxxblock level deduplication if possible
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13:47.57darxmurfso, data replication ?
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13:49.11terxxdarxmurf: no the opposite
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13:49.25terxxlike lessfs
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13:50.10DabutiHello guys I have a noob question: I have Debian 8.2 installed and I need openjdk8 but it is not in my repositories
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13:50.16Dabutiwhat should I do ?
13:50.23darxmurfterxx: ah sorry, can't help you on this
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13:51.25DabutiShould I add a new source for it ?
13:51.30terxxOk thanks any way
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13:52.48elmcrestdarxmurf: It's an AMI BIOS, no EFI
13:53.09elmcrestdarxmurf: debian squeeze to have this menioned
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13:55.48DabutiHello guys I have a noob question: I have Debian 8.2
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13:56.08zambahi! during installation i didn't have network connectivity.. now after installation i do.. how can i re-run the steps about setting up debian archive mirror and that stuff?
13:56.29dagerikzamba: dpkg-reconfigure something...
13:56.38zambadagerik: hehe, well.. what? :)
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13:57.31abrotmanDabuti: apt-cache search openjdk .. any available?
13:57.51Dabutiyes only until 7
13:57.56DabutiI need to install 8
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13:58.07dionysus69how do I create an alias for ssh connection? I dont want to be forced to remember some horrible username@ipaddress
13:58.29mtnzamba: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
13:58.30dagerikdionysus69: ~/.ssh/config
13:58.33zykotick9zamba: you might be able to just edit your sources.list file see "/msg dpkg sources.list" for the required three entries
13:58.40abrotmandionysus69: it's only in backports
13:58.45abrotmanjeez, wrong person
13:58.50abrotmanDabuti: it's only in backports
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13:58.55abrotmandpkg: tell Dabuti about jessie backports
13:59.08dionysus69abrotman: I have backport sourced, what do I do ?
13:59.14Dabutihow do I enable that backport ?
13:59.16abrotmandionysus69: that wasn't for you
13:59.18dionysus69dagerik: what about config. that dir nor file exists
13:59.24dx486dpkg: tell dx486 about jessie backports
13:59.32dx486:) did not work
13:59.32Amun_Rahttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/09/microsoft_sonic_debian/
13:59.49dx486oh, worked
14:00.39abrotmandpkg: tell dx486 about selftell
14:00.58DabutiOk found the backports
14:00.59Dabutithanks
14:01.10dx486thanks, abrotman
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14:04.49ntwarihow can i find out where a package installed to?
14:04.58ntwariwhat folders it wrote to
14:05.26blinddpkg -L packagename
14:05.26dpkgNo packages found matching packagename
14:05.30blindsorry bot
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14:06.02maddawg2that's my package's name
14:06.08maddawg2suprised it couldnt find it
14:06.21ntwariblind: thanks
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14:27.44thurstylarkHow far will the kernel be updated under Jessie?
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14:28.09karlpincthurstylark: It won't, execpt for security fixes.  backports will continue to have newer kernels, very likely.
14:28.27maddawg2after i upload my kernel into jessie it'll be the latest
14:28.33maddawg2lol
14:28.37thurstylarkkarlpinc: Ahh, how far will backports go?
14:29.00karlpincthurstylark: Dunno.  It's a volunteer effort.  Somebody always wants a newer kernel....
14:30.18thurstylarkkarlpinc: Like me :P My sound card isn't supported in the latest kernel in backports so I'm itching to upgrade when possible.
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14:33.06karlpincthurstylark: You can watch the kernels in unstable and testing.  Often they'll soon show up in backports.  However, sometimes there's kernel changes that are backwards incompatible and the backported kernel pipeline just stops.
14:33.48karlpincthurstylark: In that case there's the debian kernel handbook.  You can probably take just the module for your sound card and recompile it into an older kernel.  Or possibly anyway.  I've not tried it.
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14:35.44elmcrestanyone here who can help me with getting grub fixed? ... background is a broken raid10 with lvm on squeeze. I research since some hours without any success. at least meanwhile I have parted and gdisk installed :)
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14:36.25rysiek|plhi all
14:36.27elmcrestthe problem is that the system now boots from a broken HDD which I can't replace because then the system doesn't boot anymore
14:36.35rysiek|plhere's a funky question for you:
14:36.43rysiek|plI have hosts A and B
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14:37.05rysiek|plopn host A I have a user whose key is added to authorized_keys for user@B
14:37.14elmcrestit seems I'm even too stupid to find the current working boot partition ... neither fdisk, gdisk or parted shows anything useful
14:37.17rysiek|plhowever, this key is added with an explicit command
14:37.53rysiek|plso ssh user@B (executed on host A as user) results in connection, logging-in via the key, and execution of the command immediately after
14:38.14rysiek|plquestion is: is there a way only to test the connection and log-in phases *without* actually executing the command?
14:38.23karlpincelmcrest: So, your MBR is on a disk you want to replace?  That's the problem?
14:38.36karlpincelmcrest: Or is it uefi?
14:38.41rysiek|plsomething like "connect-and-disconnect-immediately-on-successful-login"
14:39.00elmcrestkarlpinc: I can't even verify the MBR ... disks had been formatted with GPT, though boot partition should be MBR anyways, right?
14:39.02thurstylarkrysiek|pl: how is the command configured?
14:39.15karlpincrysiek|pl: I don't suppose you could temporarly replace the command with "/bin/echo hello" or something?
14:39.15elmcrestkarlpinc: no, it's an AMI BIOS mainboard, no EFI
14:39.15rysiek|plthurstylark: it's just added to authorized_keys, something like
14:39.29karlpincelmcrest: Right.
14:39.31rysiek|plcommand="/usr/bin/echo 'this is the command'" THE_KEY
14:40.08karlpincelmcrest: MBR is outside of the partition space, in that it's not partition content but shows up in the partition data structure itself.
14:40.55rysiek|plthurstylark: and we have no control over what's in authorized_keys; we can neither change the command, nor can we modify the command itself on host B (e.g. modifying /usr/bin/echo binary)
14:40.56elmcrestkarlpinc: fdisk -l should print this, right?
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14:41.24karlpincelmcrest: Mmm.  No  Don't think so.
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14:41.52rysiek|plthurstylark: basically, I need a way of testing connection and public key login, without executing the command (the command is actually a backup script)
14:41.59elmcrestkarlpinc: ok, how could I verify the MBR?
14:42.04karlpincelmcrest: You just put the mbr somewhere and tell the bios where it is.  So, to boot off another disk you put a new mbr somewhere and tell the bios to boot from it.
14:42.05thurstylarkrysiek|pl: what happens when you do `ssh user@B ls -la` ?
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14:42.24grawityin BIOS, the *bootcode* has to be in the MBR, but partitions themselves can be either MBR or GPT, as long as your bootloader is smart enough
14:42.31karlpincelmcrest: (The bios usually allows a series of fallbacks.)
14:42.34elmcrestkarlpinc: sounds easy :)
14:42.51TomTomToschfdisk -l does show the boot flag, which should prob be a hint.
14:42.58karlpincrysiek|pl: Interesting.
14:43.06elmcrestTomTomTosch: yeah but doesn't ...
14:43.21elmcrestfdisk -l -> https://dpaste.de/2KF8
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14:43.26grawityrysiek|pl: you could try -N
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14:43.40rysiek|pla sec, setting up a test rig
14:43.47karlpincelmcrest: If you really want to know there's ways to poke at it, but you don't really want to know.  You really just want to boot from an mbr elsewhere.
14:44.19grawitysshd can only override the command when the client requests a session channel, but it can't force the client to actually request one
14:44.20Online_So I'm going to set up a proxy server so I won't hit the package mirrors more than necessary and reap the LAN speedup benefit. So far I found apt-cacher, apt-proxy and approx. Guess Squid or other general http proxies would work too. Does anyone here have experiences to share?
14:44.23elmcrestkarlpinc: yeah ok, I'm fine with that and you're right, I just want to boot :)
14:44.30rysiek|plthurstylark: the command happens. that's the whole point of authorized_keys with a command in front of the key :)
14:44.39rysiek|plgrawity: testing, a sec
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14:44.49thurstylarkgotcha.
14:45.28rysiek|plgrawity: yeah, it doesn't seem to execute the command I think
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14:45.35rysiek|plgrawity: but it just hangs there
14:45.35grawitywith -N the client will idle without opening a command channel (useful for pure-port-forwarding things for example)
14:45.38grawityso hmm
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14:45.43rysiek|plyeha
14:45.45rysiek|pl*yeah
14:45.56karlpincOnline_: I use apt-cacher.  I once heard that apt-cacher-ng is better....
14:45.57rysiek|plI guess I could run this and then kill it after a second or so
14:46.09rysiek|plgrawity: but I thought there's a nicer solutions
14:46.11karlpincrysiek|pl: Use it in combination with -vvv or whatever to watch it's progress.
14:46.19rysiek|plkarlpinc: yeah
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14:46.25rysiek|pllemme check one thing
14:46.44livcdi have an issue starting mdadm. It says that mdadm.service is masked
14:46.46livcdon Jessie
14:46.56grawityrysiek|pl: mux=~/.ssh/control.$$; if ssh -fNS $mux $host; then echo "okay"; else echo "fail"; fi; ssh -S $mux -O exit || true;
14:47.15rysiek|plwhoa
14:47.22rysiek|plok, let me wrap my head around this one
14:47.25grawityer, make that a -fNMS
14:47.31karlpincOnline_: You do not want just a proxy.  You likely want something that caches locally to disk.
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14:48.07rozieOnline_: use apt-cacher-ng
14:48.17rozieused apt-proxy, then apt-cacher
14:48.25rozienow I'm happy with apt-cacher-ng
14:48.27Online_karlpinc: Will add apt-cacher-ng to my list. Sorry, should have specified -caching- proxy.
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14:48.41rysiek|plgrawity: this makes sense, will test it in a sec
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14:49.22grawityin fact, maybe you could reuse the $mux for the real thing, instead of immediately closing it
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14:49.38karlpincOnline_: rozie's recommendation sounds good to me.
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14:50.09rysiek|plgrawity: nah, the check and the actual command execution happen completely separately, different times of day, etc
14:50.37grawityokay
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14:51.17karlpincgrawity: Very clever.  I like it.
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14:51.39grawityyour other option would be to write a tool using paramiko or libssh that only auths and exits
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14:52.02Online_karlpinc and rozie: Thanks for input, will go with apt-cacher-ng and replace it if it for some reason don't work out.
14:52.07rysiek|plthe less requirements the better
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14:52.18rysiek|plsp the mux thing looks genuinely good
14:52.20rysiek|pl*so
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14:53.21Mathisen_why cant i install kismet ? it is in repo right ??
14:53.25Mathisen_https://packages.debian.org/jessie/kismet
14:53.31Mathisen_but apt dont find it
14:53.46elmcrestok that's weird I can't find anything with a boot flag set but the system boots ...
14:53.48rysiek|plgrawity: hummm
14:54.06rysiek|plgrawity: ssh -S $mux -O exit <- this part doesn't seem to work, just dumps out the usage for ssh
14:54.12grawityah yes
14:54.12JyZyXELwhats a good thing to append to a package name when you create your own version of it?
14:54.17grawityyou need to give it a dummy hostname
14:54.19karlpinc!tell Mathisen_about errors
14:54.28rysiek|plah
14:54.42grawitywell maybe the real hostname, it won't use it with -O but it still insists on one
14:54.49rysiek|plhah
14:54.51rysiek|plssh -S $mux -O exit asdffg
14:54.51rysiek|plExit request sent.
14:54.52rysiek|plindeed
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14:55.03rysiek|plthis is some funky stuff right there
14:55.06rysiek|plthanks a lot!
14:55.08Mathisen_anyone ? when doing apt-cache search kismet i find nothing
14:55.24rozieMathisen_: sure you searched contrib/non-free? it's present in Jessie
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14:55.28zykotick9Mathisen_: what release are you using?  jessie?
14:55.43rysiek|plMathisen_: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=kismet&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any
14:55.52Mathisen_yes i have contrib main non-free and using jessie
14:56.09rysiek|plMathisen_: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/kismet
14:56.15TomTomToschMathisen_, kismet in in main. what debian version do you have?
14:56.20rysiek|plMathisen_: do an apt-get update first?
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14:56.27karlpincJyZyXEL: Very good question.  IIRC there's something on wiki.debian.org regarding self-backporting that might answer it.
14:56.34Mathisen_i have done update also
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14:57.21TomTomToschMathisen_, best just paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net
14:57.25rysiek|plnow thought that there's also the timeout command
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14:57.31zykotick9Mathisen_: when you installed debian, did you have internet?  if not, your sources.list might be incomplete.
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14:57.57rysiek|plTomTomTosch: actually, cat /etc/apt/sources.list* ;)
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14:58.59karlpincJyZyXEL: In the past I think I've just used "bpo", on the theory that if somebody else puts the exact same version into backports then I don't really care, and if they put something newer in then I'll be able to install it.  Whether this makes real sense or not I can't say.
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14:59.10Mathisen_i will double check everythig
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14:59.30maddawg2netinstall failed :-\
14:59.33maddawg2hmmmmmmmm
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15:00.09TomTomToschrysiek|pl, i don't care how.
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15:01.42rysiek|plTomTomTosch: seems to me there might be something in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ that's not in /etc/apt/sources.list, but hey, that's just me
15:01.50JyZyXELkarlpinc: im adding my own features as well, so ill need to go with a unique name
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15:04.09maddawg2ok debian is sucking now
15:04.19maddawg2downloaded the netinstall tried to install and it keeps failing
15:04.32TomTomToschmaddawg2, how so?
15:04.53maddawg2well i select the software to isntall and click continue
15:04.59maddawg2and it starts to install
15:05.03maddawg2starts to retrieve stuff
15:05.10maddawg2then comes back and says an installation step failed
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15:05.23nkuttlermaddawg2: are you using the stable installer?
15:05.31TomTomToschdid you install the base system earlier?
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15:05.59maddawg2https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot is where i got it
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15:06.04maddawg2clicking on AMD64
15:06.13maddawg2TomTom yes
15:06.16maddawg2i beleive so
15:06.29TomTomToschif you did and changed the partitioning, then the installer will skip the base install and the next step will fail.
15:06.30nkuttlerso what's the error?
15:06.51maddawg2nkuttler: says an installation setup failed i could skip it or try again
15:07.04livcdhow can i find out why mdadm has been masked on Jessie ?
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15:07.23nkuttlermaddawg2: i think there's a log on vt1
15:07.26nkuttlermaddawg2: ctrl-alt-f1
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15:08.04maddawg2i'm at the software selection... i've selected Debian Desktop environemtn (with KDE) and standard system utilities
15:08.12maddawg2and then i click continue
15:08.23maddawg2goes for some time then says "An installation step failed"
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15:08.35TomTomToschmaddawg2, did you install the base system before?
15:08.43maddawg2yes
15:09.00maddawg2i beleive so... as that's the step before the current step i'm on
15:09.06maddawg2i couldnt have got here had i not
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15:12.14maddawg2nkuttler doesnt do anything
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15:12.26maddawg2the ctrl+alt+f1
15:12.42karlpincnkuttler: hold control, hold alt, press f1.
15:12.53maddawg2no way
15:12.57maddawg2is that how you do it
15:12.59maddawg2sighj
15:13.12karlpincmaddawg2: Then try f2 or f3 or f4.  They are all interesting.
15:13.32maddawg2f2 brought me to a busybox shell
15:13.42TomTomToscherror msgs go to left alt + f4
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15:14.09maddawg2ok
15:14.12maddawg2got something
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15:14.29maddawg2in target: tasksel: apt-get failed (100)
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15:14.51TomTomToschthat's all?
15:14.57maddawg2un able to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try fix missing
15:15.15maddawg2looks like the mirror i sleected maybe
15:15.58maddawg2faled to fetch http://debian.csaid.mit.edu/debian/pool/main/k/kde-wallpapers/kde-wallpapers_4.140-1_all.deb connection failed
15:17.03ToHellWithGAmaddawg2: that's because those guys are a bunch of hacks
15:17.07ToHellWithGAMIT. pshaw!
15:17.26maddawg2i chose it cuz they are 3 doors down
15:18.21ToHellWithGAmaddawg2: http://httpredir.debian.org/
15:18.58rysiek|plgrawity: I am guessing the mux file can be any unique temporary file, it doesn't have to reside in ~/.ssh/ right?
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15:19.08theamdman_Why not just go with the default US repo?
15:19.09grawityit can reside anywhere a Unix socket can reside
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15:19.31rysiek|plright
15:19.31maddawg2theamdman_, cuz i thought it'd be quicker to go to MIT seeing we're on the same network lol
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15:20.51theamdman_nah man, it's the server with the least load is the fastest, connections for most servers now a days are the same, provided you don't have real crap net
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15:30.10BoBeR182Hello, I am looking on migrating servers
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15:30.19BoBeR182I have a digital ocean debian jessie node
15:30.31BoBeR182and want to move to OVH debian 8 jessie
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15:30.38BoBeR182How do I move my email server
15:30.55BoBeR182iredmail over with the most data preserved and least setup needed after
15:31.01ToHellWithGAtheamdman_: have you tried the httpredir voodoo?
15:31.06BoBeR182also I have to move my letsencrypt keys
15:31.40smilennamehello
15:31.42smilennamehow can compiling iceweasel?
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15:34.41TomTomToschsmilenname, why would you want to compile iceweasel?
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15:35.57smilennamei want compiling iceweasel with gtk3 toolkit
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15:38.35TomTomToschdpkg, tell smilenname about deb-src
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15:39.32teraflopsGtk3 why? Because black theme? Is broken in many web sites....
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15:40.50ayooayy
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15:41.06theamdman_ToHellWithGA woah thats cool. nice.
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15:41.35ayooquestion; trying to get dotdeb on raspbian, but it ain't working
15:41.40ayoois it supposed to work on raspbian?
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15:42.08RoyKayoo: raspbian != debian
15:42.17TomTomToschayoo, you should ask #raspbian
15:42.18thurstylarkayoo: probably a question best asked in #raspbian.
15:42.21ayoooh
15:42.33ayoosorry for the inconvience
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15:42.44theamdman_no problem, we're here to help
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15:42.50smilennameis not good idea gtk3? for black themes
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15:46.17theamdman_What DE do y
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15:46.25theamdman_all run?
15:46.46theamdman_haha oops -- What DE do y'all run?
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16:13.40livcdwhy is the mdadm on jessie masked in systemd ?
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16:14.07Brigolivcd, is it installed in your system?
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16:15.11livcdBrigo: yes
16:15.24dionysus69should I install git or git-core package?
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16:15.31Brigolivcd, then i am clueless. It shouldn't.
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16:16.23jellylivcd: probably because there's native systemd support instead
16:17.05livcdoh is there ? how can i check ? how can i tell ?
16:17.22TomTomToschdionysus69, it's the same. git-core is deprecated.
16:17.27jellylivcd: dpkg -L mdadm |grep systemd ... which one of the services is masked?  Which ones are active?
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16:21.00livcdjelly: ^
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16:23.07Che-AnarcIs there an easy way to do to disable ipv6 when doing `apt-get`  ? - I tried: `apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true update` for example but it still tries to use ipv6
16:23.45DaggerChe-Anarc: is apt-get giving you v6 addresses in its error messages? if so, that usually means your v4 is broken
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16:24.22livcdjelly: only mdmonitor service is enabled
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16:25.09Dagger(which is something you can test with `wget <mirror that apt-get is trying>`, it'll print the IPs in the order that apt-get tries, try to connect to them and print all error messages, rather than just the last error)
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16:26.48Che-AnarcDagger,   thanks you were correct indeed it was just a bad apt server
16:26.59jellylivcd: if your md arrays have been brought up successfully at boot, that's probably all that needs to be running
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16:30.05livcdjelly: so that thing can run only if the server has md arrays correct ?
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16:36.36rysiek|plgrawity: verified, tested, works like a charm
16:36.42rysiek|plgrawity: much obliged!
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16:37.46rysiek|plgrawity: also verified that the command indeed is not being run at all, which was something I had to be absolutely sure of
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16:39.07Deelehow do I move contents of directory to another directory, replacing everything that has the same relative filename/path, just like drag and drop move in file explorer?
16:39.45DeeleI just found solution in stackexchange `cp -al source/* dest/ && rm -r source/*` - is it good? how to create an alias out from it for later use?
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16:43.43karlpincDeele: Why not just use mv?
16:44.49karlpincrysiek|pl: You need to do this more than once?  (Just curious.)
16:45.09rysiek|plkarlpinc: I am putting this in a BATS test set
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16:45.30karlpincrysiek|pl: Nice you got an elegant answer then.
16:45.30Deelekarlpinc, I was reading that you could stop with mv it in the middle and you'd have a half-moved tree and probably a mess
16:45.30rysiek|plkarlpinc: and yes, this will be run once per host
16:45.56rysiek|plkarlpinc: if you don't know BATS yet: https://github.com/sstephenson/bats
16:45.59rysiek|pllifesaver
16:46.21karlpincDeele: If you stop anything in the middle you have a mess.  But you can always restart/do over what you're doing.
16:46.28rysiek|plkarlpinc: yes, indeed, I was kind of beating around the bush for a couple of months (it was not high on my priority list)
16:46.36rysiek|plkarlpinc: but I finally had to solve this one
16:46.49rysiek|plkarlpinc: so a proper Right Way kind of answer is very much appreciated
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17:02.19thurstylarkI just compiled a custom kernel based on the debian handbook, but I'm getting an error when I install it with dpkg: https://ptpb.pw/ESAR
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17:05.37thurstylarkIs this actually a fatal error? I did try to install the linux-image before installing the linux-headers package by mistake (since it's my first time trying it), But this output came after installing the headers package.
17:05.58Brigothurstylark, it looks like it isn't fatal.
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17:06.27Brigoit fail to rename modules.dep or modules.dep.tmp from 4.3 kernel.
17:06.53Brigobut it installed the 4.5 kernel anyway.
17:07.25Brigoyou can try to reinstall the 4.3 kernel package again and see if there is some error.
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17:09.23thurstylarkBrigo: Just tried reinstalling the 4.3 kernel and apt-get just skipped it because it's already installed
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17:09.47thurstylarkoh, --reinstall
17:09.49thurstylarkduh
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17:10.47thurstylarkBrigo: Reinstalling the kernel went smoothly with no errors.
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17:14.10thurstylarkBrigo: Ahh, it's a problem with a dkms module: https://ptpb.pw/hjhm
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17:30.47lernerhow do I change the mac address for wlan0 so my xubuntu remembers it, and I dont have to suco macchange every time I log in?
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17:31.31somiajlerner: you should ask in xubuntu's support channels/mailing lists
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17:37.47Mitzelflickanyone do split  tunneling with vpnc to a cisco ipsec vpn?
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17:43.35grawityDeele: rsync -asHAX --remove-source-files src/ dest/
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17:46.01jhutchinsMitzelflick: Yes.
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17:46.45jhutchinsI thought dkms was deprecated.
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17:48.54MitzelflickIs it easiest to use gnome and the gui vpn client?
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17:49.25MitzelflickI have vpnc command line working but all my local machines become unavailable
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17:49.43Mitzelflickhttps://live.paloaltonetworks.com/t5/Configuration-Articles/Split-Tunneling-for-VPNC-Client-on-Linux-Distributions/ta-p/57244
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17:49.58MitzelflickThis solution shows gnome gui tool I guessing you need gnome for?
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17:51.38jhutchinsMitzelflick: The issue is that the Cisco client/server is able to take complete control of the configuration, not requiring or in some cases even allowing the user to split-tunnel.
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17:52.03jhutchinsMitzelflick: Windows/Anyconnect users are pretty much locked down to the configuration set by the Cisco admin.
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17:52.28Mitzelflickok
17:52.40MitzelflickI am trying to use a debian83 laptop
17:52.52Mitzelflickto hit the vpn and still be able to hit local vmware vms
17:52.56Mitzelflickas well as the remote stuff
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17:53.17jhutchinsMitzelflick: In linux, we can create batch files that set the routing table, and that will override the config.  I can be a real pain to clean up after a session though.
17:53.17Mitzelflickit worked on windows, I guess because long ago set that way
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17:53.38Mitzelflickmaybe i made a mistake trying to use linux laptop
17:53.50Mitzelflickmaybe I should go back to win7
17:53.59jhutchinsMitzelflick: I've found that the Linux GUI applets are inconsistent in how they set VPN up and what options they allow.
17:54.10MitzelflickI have vpnc conged to get me to be able to see remote machines, but then local not work
17:54.14Mitzelflickhmm
17:54.22MitzelflickI will give gnome a whirl
17:54.27MitzelflickI even hate gnome I love iceWM
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17:55.07dionysus69:( Dependency is not satisfiable: libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.5)
17:55.12jhutchinsMitzelflick: I would recommend just using openconnect from the command line.  There is an optional config file, but you probably want to create a shell script or alias.
17:55.21somiajdionysus69: what version of debian are you running and what package needs that dependency?
17:55.24somiaj,v libgcrypt11
17:55.25juddPackage: libgcrypt11 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.5-2+squeeze3; wheezy: 1.5.0-5+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.5.0-5+deb7u4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.5.0-5+deb7u4
17:55.36TomTomToschMitzelflick, you don't need to use gnome to use the tools that come with gnome :P
17:55.47dionysus69I am trying to install upwork messaging app and I have debian 8
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17:56.07jhutchinsMitzelflick: There's some option like --passs-on-stdin, you use that and do echo -n "password" | openconnect [options]
17:56.08dionysus69I already installed all libcrypt packages on apt, including dev version of licbcrypt20
17:56.11somiajdionysus69: where did you get this app package from? Was the package built for debian?
17:56.19dionysus69yes its for debian
17:56.21somiajdionysus69: -dev versions just mean headers to compile software.
17:56.32dionysus69somiaj: https://www.upwork.com/downloads?source=MessagesSMFFL
17:56.33somiajdionysus69: where did you get the pakage?
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17:57.08somiajwell debian jessie clearly has a greater version of that libary. and when I use that link it wants me to logon, so that won't help me know more about the package
17:57.38somiajwe really don't support third party pacakges here. Make sure the package you get is built for debian 8 [not ubuntu or some other based on debian flavor] and see what their documentation says about isntalling it in debian 8
17:58.15dionysus69hmm it says debian based, it may be made for ubuntu more than debian actually you are right
17:58.36dionysus69I remember I had this problem before and I also remember I resolved it somehow but I dont remember how :D
17:58.37jhutchins,v libcrypt11
17:58.38juddNo package named 'libcrypt11' was found in amd64.
17:59.00somiajjhutchins: the error was libgcrypt11
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17:59.14jhutchinsdionysus69: That's the kind of error you get when you install things from outside the debian repos.
17:59.18jhutchins,v libgcrypt11
17:59.19juddPackage: libgcrypt11 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.5-2+squeeze3; wheezy: 1.5.0-5+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.5.0-5+deb7u4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.5.0-5+deb7u4
17:59.22somiajoh I see, libgcrypt11 was removed from jessie.
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17:59.50dionysus69well how does one include this app in debian repos :D sounds like a lots of work
18:00.30somiajdionysus69: is this an opensource app? If the app is not provided in the debian repos, you can usually just build it yourself so you know it works on your system
18:00.57dionysus69dunno it might not be open sourced
18:01.42somiajdionysus69: debian jessie has transitioned from libgcrypt11 to libgcrypt20, so that is why that package is no longer available.
18:02.08somiajdionysus69: I'm unsure if they would be compadable. But to install that software in jessie you'll need a package built against the versions availble in jessie
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18:04.54dionysus69hmm ok I ll google some more around
18:05.00dionysus69I ll post if I achieve anything
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18:05.29born2latehi
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18:06.16born2latewhat can be done if a package is not updated for almost a year ?
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18:06.40born2latedespite upstream changes ofc
18:07.19TomTomToschborn2late, stable only gets security updates. you can check backports though.
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18:07.31jhutchinsborn2late: You can find or hire someone to take over maintenance of the Debian package.
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18:09.09DammitJimweird... I"m trying a VM for Stretch alpha5 and I can't go beyond the Select and Install software step
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18:10.44debug0x1DammitJim: Virtualbox?
18:11.10somiajDammitJim: are you specificlly wanting to test the installer or just trying to install stretch?
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18:11.33TomTomToschDammitJim, you would usually install stable and upgrade to testing. stretch support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net though.
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18:12.02DammitJimsomiaj, installing stretch on v Vbox VM
18:12.11DammitJimTomTomTosch, you are right, I need to go ask there
18:12.20somiajDammitJim: then you should as TomTomTosch suggested, install a minimial stable isntall. upgrade to stretch, then install the rest of your software.
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18:12.56somiajnote I belive there is an upgrade bug in stretch right now that requires you include some forcing options with apt.
18:13.05DammitJimsomiaj, thanks
18:13.10DammitJimI'm not testing the upgrade
18:13.18DammitJimI want to test other things
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18:14.30somiaj!testing installer
18:14.30dpkgRepeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>.  To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>.  Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage.  https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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18:14.56DammitJimoh, I never knew!
18:14.57DammitJimthanks
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18:15.07DammitJimis there a good document on how to "upgrade" from jessie?
18:15.33somiaj!jessie->stretch
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18:16.00DammitJim?
18:16.20TomTomToschDammitJim, otherwise always the wiki :P https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting
18:16.30somiaj!stable->testing
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18:16.42TomTomToschbot on a smoking break :P
18:16.47somiajseems like it
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18:17.02somiajthough he responded to me ni /msg
18:17.04DammitJimhopefully the e-cig doesn't explode on his mouth
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18:17.44somiajDammitJim: /msg dpkg stable->testing
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18:18.18markybobDammitJim: or dselect_ if dpkg doesn't respond
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18:18.40jhutchinsNobody's created squeeze->stretch yet.
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18:31.49nils_is there a way to disable auto starting of services when using apt-get install? I think in the old days all you had to do was create a script in /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d that exited with 101, but I don't think that'll work with systemd?
18:33.03somiajnils_: if you happen to know the name of the service file that would be used, you can put a service file that does noting in /etc/systemd/system/
18:33.12somiajnils_: systemd will use that over the one installed by the package.
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18:33.30jcowgillnils_, policy-rc.d should still work with systemd
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18:34.00somiajwoudln't it only work for packages that are using sysvinit compadability and not ones that provided their own unit file?
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18:35.22jcowgillpackages are supposed to use invoke-rc.d to start services after installation
18:35.42jcowgillthat program should handle both init systems
18:35.59jcowgilland it checks policy-rc.d before starting anything
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18:36.24somiajgood to know. I am a still bit fuzzy on how much compadability there is
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18:39.57nils_I really think this should be easier ;)
18:40.06nils_thank you both
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18:40.56somiajI'd have to turn on my laptop to see what scripts I use in jessie.
18:41.35nils_I have to do this in an ansible deployment, which of course can cause other problems when the playbook aborts somewhere...
18:42.16jcowgillactually, just looking at the sources, it doesn't use invoke-rc.d like I thought - but it does still check policy-rc.d before starting anything
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18:45.38Mitzelflickgnome wont laod lol
18:45.46Mitzelflickgives blue screen no mennu or icon
18:45.53Mitzelflickah my vpn dreams are dying
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18:47.05nils_emesa, afaik it's still work in progress, not really supported at the moment
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18:47.26nils_emesa, https://wiki.debian.org/Debian-HA/FAQ
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18:48.39Mitzelflickhow do I get rid of gnome?
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18:49.03Mitzelflickaptitude purge -y gnome did not seem to remove much, while installing gnome was like WOA NELLLY
18:49.24BrigoMitzelflick, try aptitute autoremove then.
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18:54.01markybobMitzelflick: yeah, that won't do it. you need to remove core things like libbonobo2-0 and gnome-session
18:54.13Mitzelflick:(
18:54.23Mitzelflickso there is no reversing what I have done?
18:54.34Mitzelflickok
18:54.39Mitzelflicklets try this tak
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18:54.46Mitzelflickhow do I get gnome actually working?
18:54.49Mitzelflicknice i7 laptop
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18:54.56Mitzelflicki did patitude install -y gnome
18:55.00Mitzelflickand exited x
18:55.10Mitzelflickstartx complains about script channel nouveau
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18:55.16markybobhow did we go from removing gnome to fixing it within 30 seconds? :P
18:55.19Mitzelflickso I went back to exec icewm
18:55.38MitzelflickI am want to get a vpn working on my work laptop which I reformatted to debian83
18:56.06MitzelflickI have it working with vpnc
18:56.17Mitzelflickbut local boxes become unroutable when I connect
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18:56.57markybobso now we're fixing vpnc
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18:57.38markybobMitzelflick: you might have Schizophrenia
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19:34.32emesaHow can I stop the watchdog of Linux server
19:34.35Mitzelflicklol
19:34.37Mitzelflickno
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19:35.04emesaI was using heartbeat with watchdog setting and after I stopped heartbeat, the server continue to reboot
19:35.07MitzelflickI'm just annoyed at how pain it is to connect to vpn and still be able to have local network work.
19:35.22Mitzelflickno clear doc
19:35.24Mitzelflickjust chaos
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19:35.59Mitzelflickgnome not only didnt work, but also wont uninstall
19:36.16Mitzelflickso either I press forward, with gnome, which is only tutorial I can find to make split network work
19:36.24Mitzelflickor just remove gnome and deal with on off vpn
19:36.37Mitzelflickof course debian wotn let me easily remove gnome
19:36.43Mitzelflickit install slike 100 thing
19:36.46Mitzelflickbut wont remove them
19:36.47Mitzelflickwtf
19:37.19TomTomToschMitzelflick, debian doesn't let you?
19:37.25AimHeregnome is one of those meta packages that brings in 100 other packages
19:37.42TomTomToschwhich you are able to remove....
19:37.46AimHereRemoving the gnome package on it's own doesn't necessarily remove the 100 dependencies
19:38.06markybobTomTomTosch: i already told him how to do this...
19:38.16AimHereAnd if your package manager doesn't automatically do it for you *cough*apt-get*cough* it might be a nuisance toremove them
19:38.46greycatIf I wanted to accomplish something network-ish, and I found a tutorial that started out with "log in to GNOME and click..." I would immediately close that tab and find a different tutorial.
19:39.15greycat!remove gnome
19:39.15dpkgTo remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2.  Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
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19:42.41TomTomToschthere is also apt-get autoremove which will probably do nicely.
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20:00.10Mitzelflickoow aptitude pure -y  ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2 working nicely!
20:01.37jmcnaughtMitzelflick: removing stuff with "-y" can be dangerous, it's better to let it ask for confirmation
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20:03.35TomTomToschthat worked with gnome 3?
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20:07.59TomTomToschah, i guess it does.
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20:18.34markybob!es
20:18.34dpkgEste canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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20:51.45AlexLikeRockDo not fuck with me markybob
20:52.06AlexLikeRockI now this channel its un english
20:52.55Mitzelflickoh ok
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20:54.47teraflopsBtw /ingresar/ is used wrongly in the factoid. An irc channel is not a hospital...
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21:03.06Mitzelflicki A policykit-1-gnome   what does this mean in aptitude?
21:03.10Mitzelflicki A
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21:04.24r6kuMitzelflick: it means that the package was automatically installed, manually installed packages aren't marked with the 'A'
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21:05.03Mitzelflickhm
21:05.18MitzelflickI may be the most sane man alive.
21:05.23MitzelflickI have excellent judgement.
21:05.32Mitzelflickoutstanding insight and vision
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21:10.45Mitzelflickwhere are the debs for python latest!!
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21:11.00greycatIn the pool.
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21:11.12r6ku,v python
21:11.13juddPackage: python on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.11-1; sid: 2.7.11-1
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21:11.24greycat,v python3
21:11.25juddPackage: python3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; sid: 3.5.1-2; stretch: 3.5.1-2
21:11.27greycat(also)
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21:13.22TomTomToschthe most sane man alive sure has problems doing some research :3
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21:14.58Mitzelflickhttps://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-2711/
21:15.29MitzelflickI know I did this somewhere, oh crap maybe it was a mac
21:15.33Mitzelflickboycoot apple
21:15.43Mitzelflickthose buggers thats why there are mac packages
21:15.59Mitzelflick1 dont wana compile 2 want 2.7.11
21:16.03TomTomToschMitzelflick, you don't get the latest anything in stable.
21:16.03Mitzelflickdebian 83
21:16.06MitzelflickI know
21:16.07greycatSomeone wake me when he has a Debian question.
21:16.15MitzelflickI just dont understand the non stbale stuf fgives me heaache
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21:27.39Mitzelflickpip install ansible took a huge dump, anyone seen that? running ansible 2?
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21:27.44buuso
21:28.00Mitzelflick83amd64
21:28.09Mitzelflickgmp error
21:28.23Mitzelflicklibgmp10 installed, as well as libgmp-dev
21:28.28buuIf I wanted to clone an existing debian install from one physical disk to another, would I literally just remound /dev/sdA 'read only' then do dd if=/dev/sdA of=/dev/sdB; unplug sdA and reboot?
21:28.34buuremount
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21:29.56TomTomToschMitzelflick, would you please think about what you want to say before you press enter. all you did so far is spam.
21:30.29Mitzelflickok
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21:32.15lichenx1I distro hopped when I all I needed at this time was debian testing...
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21:33.26ulyzzeDHCP fails and I can't even ping my DHCP server, how can I debug this?
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21:35.49n4dirbuu: not sure. I use rsync, After cloning one will perhaps have to edit /etc/fstab and reinstall grub. For that one will have to boot a live-CD and use chroot. --- In general it isn't difficult.
21:36.09n4dirbut i seem to recall there are solutions where you have to do nothing. might well be dd was one of them.
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21:38.14n4dirhttps://wiki.debian.org/Backup/Clone ?
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21:42.53Aebianhi, how can I tell aptitude or apt to generate config files for php5? ^^
21:43.00Mitzelflickdebian83amd64 python 2.7.9 Failed building wheel for pycrypto  pip install ansible crapped
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21:47.20AebianI already tried aptitude install -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confmiss php5-fpm php5-curl php5-mysql  php5-gd  php5-mcrypt  php5-json
21:47.50Aebianbut I still get errors that the packages are not configured :|
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21:50.07jmcnaughtMitzelflick: are you using pip inside a virtualenv?
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21:51.52setuidIs it wiser to keep 'stable' in my sources.list, or the specific release (eg: 'jessie')?
21:52.11jmcnaughtsetuid: use "jessie" not "stable"
21:52.13greycatDefinitely use a release name (jessie).
21:52.16Mitzelflickno
21:52.19Mitzelflicklaptop
21:52.22setuidWhat's the thinking behind that?
21:52.31greycatYou do not want a surprise upgrade to stretch.
21:52.34jmcnaughtsetuid: if you use "stable" then when stretch gets released as stable, you get upgraded without a say in it
21:52.50setuidIf I use the specific release, it means at some point, I'll orphan off,  updates will fail (as they're moved to archived) and I'll have to make a bigger leap to the next 'stable' later
21:53.07greycatYes, at a time of your choosing.
21:53.09jmcnaughtMitzelflick: i recommend against used "sudo pip" to install stuff globally. It's better to install stuff from pip inside of a Python virtualenv
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21:53.26setuidAll updates happen at the time of my choosing, how is that any different?
21:53.40setuidupdates don't happen without my interactive commands to run them
21:54.09jmcnaughtsetuid: after stretch is released as stable, you run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and it starts installing stretch packages, not very smart
21:54.10greycatIf you're a normal admin, you run apt-get update ; apt-get -u upgrade a few times a week.  You expect this to bring in security patches only.  Not to break apache and shit.
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21:54.34setuidHappy to stick with either, but I've got a 'wheezy' machine here that I can't  upgrade and now I need to build a new machine and port over 100+ websites and dozens of services
21:54.38n4diron the other hand one should recognize if the upgrade happens ... (if you usually upgrade a few packages now and then, then suddenly shitloads of packages get upgraded ... dunno, i think i would recognize it)
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21:54.57Mitzelflickwhats a virtualenv?
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21:55.26setuidI'm trying to avoid making this dump-and-reload every 1-2 years, if possible
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21:55.34setuidit's extrordinarily disruptive to services
21:56.01jmcnaughtMitzelflick: it's a Python feature. i use packages python-virtualen and virtualenvwrapper (which provides some bash wrappers for using them). Basically an isolated Python environment that lets you install python stuff in a local directory (instead of spraying all over the system)
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21:56.26jmcnaughtsetuid: why can't the wheezy machine be upgraded?
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21:56.51setuidjmcnaught, because it's EOL by several years, and upgrading is a long leap to current
21:56.54lichenx1Does anyone know how to make the debian login in the colemak layout instead of qwerty?
21:56.57setuideverything is 4-10 versions behind
21:57.23jmcnaughtsetuid: wheezy is oldstable and still supported, do you mean squeeze?
21:57.31setuidSSL, tls, certs, apache 2.2 -> 2.4, php 4 -> php 5, etc.
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21:57.42setuidit's a huge, HUGE upgrade and undertaking
21:57.49greycatphp 4?!
21:57.53greycatwhat the hell
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21:58.06setuidgreycat, whatever was in the first wheezy, yes
21:58.16setuidit's upgraded to as far as wheezy can go without breaking things
21:58.27setuidI may have php5 on there, but it's not a current rev
21:58.45setuid5.3.3.1
21:58.45greycat$ cat /etc/debian_version ; apt-cache show php5-fpm | grep Version:
21:58.45greycat7.9
21:58.45greycatVersion: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2
21:59.09setuidLooks lik this box is living on 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze29
21:59.13setuidso it's a hybrid
21:59.16greycatsee where it says "squeeze"?
21:59.39setuidRight, and sources.list says wheezy/sid =/
21:59.57setuidThis is what happens when too many people touch machines without a clear understanding
22:00.01greycatYou have a frankendebian.  It is not supportable.
22:00.01setuidStarting clean is the best way out
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22:00.09setuidYep, exactly
22:00.27jmcnaughtsetuid: if you've made a frankendebian monster, it might be time to start with a new jessie on a different machine, and migrate the services to it one at a time
22:00.50setuidI'm breaking services apart into their own VMs now, no monolithic boxes anymore; ldap vm, web vm, git vm, smtp vm, database vm, etc.
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22:01.12jmcnaughtsetuid: and then clean up the processes in your organization. whoever added sid to a production server probably should't have access any more
22:01.12setuidjmcnaught, That's what I'm doing, but I'm trying to avoid having to make that kind of cutover again, if I don't track 'stable' vs. 'jessie'
22:01.25setuidjmcnaught, they've been let go :D
22:01.54GJdanwhy would a machine with an ext3 rootfs suddenly refuse to mount a harddrive because of unknown filesystem type 'ext4' ?
22:02.03jmcnaughtsetuid: are you using any sort of config management like puppet or ansible?
22:02.13GJdanit mounts happily elsewhere
22:02.20setuidjmcnaught, I was looking into spacewalk, possibly chef or puppet
22:02.30setuidneed to upskill to learn how to use them effectively (eg: in a lab first)
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22:02.52setuidGJdan, bad superblock?
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22:03.05setuidGJdan, try using badblocks(1) to scan the drive
22:03.13GJdanbut it mounts happily in other machines
22:03.19TomTomToschGJdan tried it with -t ext3 ?
22:03.36GJdanI hadn't
22:03.39GJdanokay let's see
22:04.00jmcnaughtsetuid: imho it's worth learning ansible or something like it before you do all the manual work setting up the new system
22:04.06GJdanmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/xvda3
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22:05.22GJdanoh, the error has changed now too if I don't try to do it with ext4
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22:05.45GJdanext4: Unknown symbol __bread_gfp (err 0) \ ext4: Unknown symbol __getblk_gfp (err 0)
22:05.54setuidjmcnaught, Timing may not be on my side. I have to re-IP the whole group of machines before Monday, so was hoping to get the majority of the legwork done for the migration this weekend
22:06.18setuidGJdan, there you go, google that error
22:07.13setuidyuck: [:error] [pid 28216] python_init: Python version mismatch, expected '2.7.5+', found '2.7.9'.
22:07.51setuidThat's on a brand-new, clean, updated-5-minutes-ago Jessie box with no frankendebian
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22:08.05setuidenabling mod_python thinks I have some mismatch
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22:09.16setuidTHis seems relevant, though Ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapache2-mod-python/+bug/1073147
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22:10.58jmcnaughtsetuid: can the software you're trying to run under mod_python work with mod_wsgi?
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22:11.23TomTomToschGJdan, ext3 saves copies of the superblock in regular intervals. you can use fsch.ext3 -b to copy the superblock from a different position. look into man fsck.ext3
22:12.08setuidjmcnaught, I'm not trying to run anything under mod-python yet, just trying to get the new jessie box + apache stable so I can begin porting code/services over to it
22:12.22setuidI may not even need it, but it came down for some reason after the install, and noticed it in the error.log
22:12.35GJdanwell I'm sucking at googling right now :\  nothing helpful
22:12.46TomTomToschGJdan, also look at -n  it can be used to locate the backup superblocks
22:12.52GJdanokay
22:12.53setuidThis is going to be so much easier to admin after these services are split up into their own VMs
22:12.54jmcnaughtsetuid: strange, i just installed apache2 and libapache2-mod-python in a container, did not get that error.
22:13.18setuidjmcnaught, which version(s) of python core, mod-python and apache?
22:14.10setuidI've got: 2.4.10-10+deb8u4, 3.3.1-11 and 2.7.9-1 here
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22:14.33GJdanTomTomTosch: why not .ext4
22:14.38jmcnaughtsetuid: same
22:14.44setuidI'll rebuild mod-python as the launchpad link suggests and see if that solves it
22:14.57TomTomToschGJdan, you said it was a ext3 fs
22:15.17jmcnaughtsetuid: if the applications you're trying to host support wsgi that is usually a better option than mod_python
22:15.18GJdanit's an ext4 then you asked if I've tried with  -t ext3
22:15.28s5fsjmcnaught: great suggestion re: ansible, would make this process easier if you could share configuration (since you're apparently comparing systems already)
22:15.39GJdanoh
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22:15.49GJdanthe rootfs is ext3 and boots happily, the drive I'm trying to mount is ext4
22:15.52jmcnaughtsetuid: but it's strange that you get that error at all
22:15.59setuidAgreed
22:16.14setuidTrying to see why it thinks I have a 2.7.5+ dependency somewhere
22:16.33GJdanI get that error I pasted, then it still says, unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
22:16.38setuidI'm being super-pedantic about this machine, making sure it doesn't get anything forced on it or evolve into frankendebian
22:16.43jmcnaughtsetuid: could it be something custom in your /etc/apache2? mine is still defaults
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22:17.04setuidshouldn't be, nothing has modified any configs yet, this is a clean, pristine, "Patient 0" machine at this point
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22:18.16TomTomToschGJdan, ah, got it. what debian version is it?
22:18.25jmcnaughtsetuid: the error was in /var/log/apache2/error.log ?
22:18.31setuidyes
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22:19.20GJdanTomTomTosch: wheezy
22:20.26jmcnaughtsetuid: okay, i am getting that error, but there are more messages after it. did you test to see if it works, it could just be a spurious warning
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22:21.58TomTomToschGJdan, can you tell me what uname -a says, please?
22:22.18GJdanTomTomTosch: Linux fn1 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u3 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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22:24.57TomTomToschGJdan, -t ext4 then :P
22:25.02setuidjmcnaught, The rebuild fixed it
22:25.03setuid[Thu Mar 10 17:24:41.784051 2016] [mpm_prefork:notice] [pid 31876] AH00163: Apache/2.4.10 (Debian) mod_auth_kerb/5.4 SVN/1.8.10 mod_fcgid/2.3.9 mod_ldap_userdir/1.1.19 Phusion_Passenger/4.0.53
22:25.21setuidmod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.7.9 mod_apreq2-20090110/2.8.0 mod_perl/2.0.9dev Perl/v5.20.2 configured -- resuming normal operations
22:25.36setuidof course, I'm not going to expose those tokens in prod, but they're working nwo
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22:26.15jmcnaughtsetuid: how did you rebuild? not sure that's the best solution, it could interfere with future updates
22:26.49setuidI used apt-get build-dep libapache2-mod-python && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
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22:28.15jmcnaughtsetuid: so that package will probably get replaced by apt next time it's available with a higher version number. I just tested the mod_python, and it works despite that warning. Did you test first? http://modpython.org/live/mod_python-3.3.1/doc-html/inst-testing.html
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22:30.20jmcnaughtsetuid: i would consider removing the rebuilt package, reinstall the regular one, test to make sure mod_python is actually not working before going out of the way
22:30.47jmcnaughtsetuid: leaving for a bit, feel free to hilight me i'll be back later
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22:32.46setuidSure, I'll give it a test, thanks!
22:32.53breedxgetting 404s from security.debian.org for jesse packages from 128.31.0.63...
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22:34.05infinity3maybe try security.us.debian.org
22:34.57GJdanTomTomTosch: https://dpaste.de/vEQn
22:35.35breedxinfinity3: that's just a CNAME
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22:36.16themillbreedx: perhaps you can pastebin the entire output
22:36.53breedxthemill: sure, will do....1 sec.
22:39.13breedxthemill: http://pastebin.com/aHmnpSRn  (part of a docker build step)
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22:41.48GJdanTomTomTosch: okay, I figured it out
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22:42.20GJdanthis is a conveluted xen system and I was running too old a kernel
22:42.23GJdanit didn't match uyp
22:42.54themillbreedx: you need to run apt-get update
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22:43.23breedxthemill: that's like the second step...but maybe the cache is out of date.
22:43.34themillit should be the first step
22:44.12themillYou're trying to install versions that don't exist because you've not run apt-get update
22:44.37breedxthemill: cool, got it.  just need to clear docker's old cached junk then.  THANKS!!
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22:44.58themillnot clear, update.
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22:58.36TomTomToschGJdan, rly? 3.2 should have been fine. ah well.
22:58.55GJdanis still 3.2, but
22:59.09GJdanthe vm was updated to the most recent security update
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22:59.20GJdanbut when it booted it was loading an older copy from the host
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23:08.01dimitry7guys
23:08.05dimitry7im doing some tests here
23:08.14dimitry7this is for an exam
23:09.09s5fslol
23:09.15dimitry7what file inside /etc is NOT /etc/network/interfaces and without which the network would send a message of not found interfaces
23:09.28dimitry7or something like that
23:09.44petemcnot found interfaces is not a common message
23:10.36petemci had an interview a while back where someone insisted you needed to run ifconfig plumb before an interface would work on linux
23:10.53dimitry7jeje
23:10.55dimitry7see the message
23:10.57s5fsthats news to me
23:10.59dimitry7holdon
23:11.07p0g0dimitry7: hosts file?
23:11.12dimitry7nope
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23:12.24dimitry7something like
23:12.24dimitry7CAP_NET_ADMIN and alias netdev instead
23:12.25dimitry7or some error of the kernel module
23:12.26dimitry7I want a big error
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23:13.15s5fslol
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23:24.24dimitry7evil_shibe, come say it here
23:25.07dimitry7p0g0, sorry I was kicked for typing two lines in a row, people is very peaky here
23:25.12evil_shibeok, wait
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23:25.51p0g0dimitry7: well, I don't think it is the host file.
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23:27.00evil_shibehttp://pastebin.com/raw/aYu3DvyP
23:27.02dimitry7p0g0, thanks man, actually all files inside /etc/udev/rules.d/
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23:28.04dimitry7would throug all sort of errors
23:28.18bluefiveHey guys.
23:28.21bluefiveWhen would I notice 3 MB of processor cache vs 2 MB?
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23:29.15dimitry7evil_shibe, very interesting your case :). Accussing people of being something without proving it :)
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23:31.43thurstylarkI just compiled a custom kernel using make-kpkg, and when doing dpkg -i on the headers package, dkms complains that there aren't kernel headers for that version. How can I get around it?
23:31.59markybob_!make-kpkg
23:31.59dpkgmake-kpkg is no longer the recommended method for building kernel packages.  See <kernel handbook> for current instructions.  It can be used to make a debian package for a custom kernel.  See man make-kpkg, <kp mantra>.  NOTE it does not automatically create header packages, needed for module-assistant and dkms.
23:32.05markybob_thurstylark: yeah, don't do that
23:32.21dimitry7evil_shibe,
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23:32.38evil_shibedimitry7: what you want, idiot?
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23:33.56thurstylarkmarkybob_: alrighty. How can I get my hands on the newest kernel from debian, then?
23:34.21markybob_thurstylark: backports has 4.3 if that's good enough for you
23:34.31dimitry7Are bad words allowed here?
23:34.42thurstylarkmarkybob_: Nope. doesn't support the hardware I need.
23:34.48markybob_thurstylark: or the handbook i had the bot tell you about tells you how to create headers and images from source
23:34.55markybob_thurstylark: so read the handbook
23:35.03dimitry7because evil_shibe isn't educated.
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23:36.17sypherPlay nice, children.
23:36.24dimitry7evil_shibe, go to #ubuntu.
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23:37.28thurstylarkmarkybob_: I have tried those instructions, but I wasn't able to make a custom 4.3 kernel work for me. How do I get the kernel-source package for 4.4 or newer?
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23:37.46evil_shibedimitry7: #ubuntu is right channel and distro for you, noob
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23:38.19markybob_thurstylark: there isn't one. i made a 4.4 fine with those instructions.
23:40.12sypherdimitry7, evil_shibe: I don't think either of you are acting in a particularly mature manner. Please take your spat to a private forum.
23:41.34thurstylarkmarkybob_: Ahh. ok. I misinterpreted an earlier failure when running make deb-pkg, and assumed that it wouldn't work for some reason. It's building now. Thanks for the help
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23:42.21dimitry7sypher, thanks sypher. He's spammer and also doesn't know the great project #ubuntu is.
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23:43.14sypherdimitry7: You're acting no better.
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23:44.22dimitry7sypher, I'm sorry. Appologies.
23:45.22evil_shibesypher: don't talk what i must do
23:45.32evil_shibesypher: i rule here
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23:46.46ryan57anyone know where I might find a soldering iron / hot air station capable of temperatures over 600°C?
23:47.07markybob_ryan57: offtopic
23:47.20ryan57fair enough
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23:48.42dimitry7guys, where can i see the logs of ifup ifdown, there's nothing in messages or syslog
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23:54.40buudimitry7: sacrifice two chickens to journalctl
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23:55.30dimitry7buu, haha this is squeeze
23:56.45dimitry7but I'll sacrifice two chickens to you if you help me :D
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23:57.12buuWhat is it doing that it shouldn't?
23:57.44dimitry7buu, see
23:57.51dimitry7today i had an energy failure
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23:58.10dimitry7and... one interface is OK, but the other two I can't bring them up
23:58.13sypherevil_shibe: No. You don't. But have fun.
23:59.33dimitry7ifup or ifdown throw no error, but mii-tool desn't show them OK
23:59.33dimitry7and they are connected

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