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| 00:02.47 | Bray90820 | I am getting this error on ubuntu |
| 00:02.48 | Bray90820 | Unable to create new logical volume with no extents mount: special device /dev/server/data-snap does not exist |
| 00:03.01 | Bray90820 | Prob better to ask in ubuntu but i thought would try here |
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| 00:04.58 | sypher | Bray90820: It is better to ask in Ubuntu. We don't support Ubuntu here. |
| 00:05.15 | Bray90820 | Alright |
| 00:05.17 | Bray90820 | Thanks |
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| 00:15.01 | lux_ | yo |
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| 00:20.21 | fearnothing | where are the .service files normally located? |
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| 00:22.45 | Arthur_Den | hello, I am using Debian 7 on a VPS and would like to know how I can set networking as a requirement for init.d scripts. Currently there's '# Required-Start: $remote_fs $syslog', do I just add '$network' or so? |
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| 00:33.26 | flp___ | hi, I have a process that uses 100% of my 4cpu cores. I'd like to have some of that cpu time back and I want it to idle so my laptop fans stays silent. How could I do it? |
| 00:34.31 | Sir_Designer | have you tried to "nice" it? |
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| 00:38.40 | flp___ | It's a rendering process and its already running. I think I got it to work by `echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/online` |
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| 00:39.00 | flp___ | oh I forgot theres renice |
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| 00:41.35 | ryouma | not finding anything definitive online. is this error meaningful? "systemd-hostnamed[8584]: Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname!" |
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| 00:44.03 | jim | I'm a little clueless here... I have a machine that has a video. [8086:0412], and judd doesn't say which driver to use... can someone find it or tell me how to find it? |
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| 00:45.29 | jim | it's got debian jessie on it, not quite finished configuring its net, but I can ssh to it from a machine on the same eth |
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| 00:47.20 | markybob | jim: i think that's optimus |
| 00:47.36 | markybob | jim: i could be wrong |
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| 00:50.04 | jim | it's an asus z97k mobo with a core i5-4590 cpu |
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| 00:59.27 | jim | markybob, anyway thanks for the response... now that I have the machine in my hands, I have time to figure it out |
| 00:59.42 | jim | so no pressure, and again thanks |
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| 01:01.28 | jim | right now trying to figure out how to get its net configured properly... the last progress I made, was to be able to ping the gw |
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| 01:04.26 | jim | I think I see the routing problem |
| 01:05.59 | tharkun | Good $DATE I tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and it fails to swit to iso8859-1 this is a fresh install Is there anyting I need to do or that I am missing? |
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| 01:07.09 | Finetundra | ok so I need help and I need it bad |
| 01:07.25 | Finetundra | I've managed to revoke all non root permissions |
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| 01:11.19 | tharkun | Finetundra: Define revoke all non root permissions. |
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| 01:11.50 | Finetundra | tharkun: so nonroot users can't do anything except login and home directories are unreachable |
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| 01:13.01 | tharkun | chown and chmod are your friends. |
| 01:13.17 | Finetundra | tharkun: that doesn't tell me anything |
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| 01:14.48 | tharkun | you need to fix the permissions chmod is the way to do it from console as root. man chmod and man chown |
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| 01:23.57 | ZodoTurtle | Anyone here able to help with static key openvpn setup? |
| 01:25.17 | ZodoTurtle | If I setup 2 of these. Do I need to use 2 ports? |
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| 01:31.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZodoTurtle, I think so, unless you intend to use the same key |
| 01:32.33 | Finetundra | tharkun: you're gonna have to give me more to go on |
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| 01:32.47 | ZodoTurtle | I would use the same key, but one of those machines is going to the other side of the world. Hmm. |
| 01:32.50 | sypher | ZodoTurtle: static key should only be used with a point to point. In fact, I think you can't do anything else. |
| 01:33.03 | Finetundra | tharkun: I don't have enough of an idea of what I'm doing |
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| 01:33.11 | ZodoTurtle | sypher: And can I do 2 point to point connections? |
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| 01:33.12 | sypher | ZodoTurtle: So, if you want multiple clients connecting, you should configure a proper RSA key setup. |
| 01:33.30 | sypher | Finetundra: What did you do to break it originally? |
| 01:33.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZodoTurtle, in that case I think you can set up a multi-client server |
| 01:33.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | But a proper PKI is always better. |
| 01:34.16 | ZodoTurtle | Yeah, also requires a LOT more work. UGH. |
| 01:34.30 | Finetundra | sypher: I was fiddling with permissions and I accidently made a change that started to lock out standard users |
| 01:34.33 | sypher | ZodoTurtle: Only a few extra steps. |
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| 01:34.42 | sypher | Finetundra: And what change was that? |
| 01:34.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZodoTurtle, it's quite simple with easyrsa (the scripts OpenVPN recommend) |
| 01:35.02 | sypher | For a multi-client server, you require having a PKI setup rather than shared-key only. |
| 01:35.26 | Finetundra | sypher: It was access permissions |
| 01:35.38 | tharkun | Finetundra: adduser someone |
| 01:35.42 | sypher | Finetundra: You seem to misunderstand the question. What exact change did you make? |
| 01:35.56 | tharkun | look at how permissions wwhere assigned and act accordingly |
| 01:36.00 | Finetundra | sypher: I don't remember the exact field I changed |
| 01:37.06 | sypher | Finetundra: Then it's going to be difficult for us to help you fix the problem. |
| 01:37.20 | Finetundra | sypher: yeah, I know |
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| 01:39.07 | ZodoTurtle | So much for quick install. |
| 01:39.47 | sypher | ZodoTurtle: Multi-client VPNs aren't a simple business. |
| 01:40.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZodoTurtle, https://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/miscellaneous/77-rsa-key-management.html |
| 01:40.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZodoTurtle, those scripts are already there on Debian (if not, install easyrsa) |
| 01:40.44 | ZodoTurtle | yeah, whatever. Not like I want to setup some massive business of 10 to 10000 clients. Just 2 or 3. |
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| 01:41.25 | sypher | ZodoTurtle: Dude, cut the attitude. The system doesn't care if its 2 clients or 1,000. Anything beyond 1 requires the same configuration. |
| 01:42.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | Really now, it's just 4 commands or so to set up a CA, server cert and 2 client certs. |
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| 01:43.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | . vars; ./build-ca; ./build-dh; ./build-key-server; ./build-key; ./build-key |
| 01:43.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZodoTurtle, does the above look terribly complex to you? |
| 01:43.59 | ZodoTurtle | It is more commands than that when you consider you have to distribute all the files into the proper locations. They don't magically put themselves in place. |
| 01:44.13 | ecom | I'm having problems getting a stable wifi connection with network manager. Usually my speeds are 15 mbps and now it is <10 kbps. It takes a very long time to even load google. I restarted my router and all my other devices have the normal speed of 15 mbps. |
| 01:44.21 | ZodoTurtle | but, I'll shut up. |
| 01:44.55 | sypher | Eduard_Munteanu: When he wants something GUI-easy handed to him, yeah, it probably looks complex. |
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| 01:48.56 | tharkun | Where can I get a list of the packages a base install has? |
| 01:49.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | ZodoTurtle, if you're not using some form of configuration management, you probably should, by the way. |
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| 01:49.39 | Finetundra | alright, lets resolve this one |
| 01:49.40 | Finetundra | sudo: /usr/bin/sudo must be owned by uid 0 and have the setuid bit set |
| 01:49.46 | Finetundra | can I get help with that? |
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| 01:50.39 | Finetundra | I do have something logged as root right now so |
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| 01:51.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | Finetundra, chown root:root /usr/bin/sudo; chmod u+s /usr/bin/sudo |
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| 01:53.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | Finetundra, actually make that chmod 1755 /usr/bin/sudo to be sure |
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| 01:54.37 | Finetundra | Eduard_Munteanu: now I have this |
| 01:54.41 | Finetundra | sudo: error in /etc/sudo.conf, line 0 while loading plugin `sudoers_policy' |
| 01:54.42 | Finetundra | sudo: /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so must be owned by uid 0 |
| 01:54.44 | Finetundra | sudo: fatal error, unable to load plugins |
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| 01:55.25 | markybob | Finetundra: you seemed to have fucked things up in amazing ways. reinstall and use backups |
| 01:56.02 | Finetundra | ya know, that was somthing I was trying to avoid |
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| 01:56.25 | Finetundra | But if you see no other option than I can go through with it |
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| 01:56.58 | markybob | Finetundra: yes. that's my opinion. |
| 01:57.15 | Finetundra | sighs |
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| 01:57.36 | Finetundra | First time around it was the disk failing and now this |
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| 01:58.19 | markybob | Finetundra: next time keep a log of everything you do. without knowing exactly what you did makes helping you difficult |
| 01:58.20 | dvs | But how did it "get to this"? |
| 01:58.33 | markybob | dvs: he doesn't remember what he did |
| 01:58.55 | dvs | chmod -R 777 ? |
| 01:59.10 | Finetundra | dvs: what does that do? |
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| 01:59.36 | dvs | Finetundra, turns on all permissions for a file |
| 01:59.49 | markybob | and sub files |
| 01:59.59 | Finetundra | will that restore everything? |
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| 02:00.14 | dvs | Finetundra, no that's a really bad thing to do. |
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| 02:01.07 | Finetundra | dvs: well, if I can get everything working then I can set the proper permissions |
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| 02:01.29 | Finetundra | so seing as I doubt this is getting any less fucked I'm gonna try that command |
| 02:01.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | I wouldn't. |
| 02:01.47 | somiaj | umm I wouldn't. |
| 02:01.47 | Finetundra | Eduard_Munteanu: why? |
| 02:01.50 | dvs | Finetundra, setting the proper permissions whould be very difficult for all files. |
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| 02:02.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | It might even break stuff that checks for proper permissions. |
| 02:02.23 | tharkun | like openssh |
| 02:02.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | Aside from potential security issues. |
| 02:02.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yeah. |
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| 02:04.01 | tharkun | Finetundra: you actually fubared your system. Damn that is hard to do. |
| 02:04.22 | dvs | really? |
| 02:04.34 | dvs | doesn't think it's hard to foober a system |
| 02:05.13 | tharkun | dvs: I dare you do that on your machine ;P |
| 02:05.25 | dvs | ha! |
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| 02:05.33 | dvs | Sure, I have backups! |
| 02:06.01 | Finetundra | tharkun: I don't know how I should take that |
| 02:06.14 | Hermaeus-mora | yea stuff happens Finetundra |
| 02:06.41 | Hermaeus-mora | it seams like debian needs nicer support people |
| 02:06.55 | tharkun | Finetundra: as a live lesson and laugh about it. That is the nice thing about this. We get to break our toys and then we get to fix them. |
| 02:07.07 | markybob | Hermaeus-mora: we're just telling him the truth that it's fucked and we don't know where to begin to help |
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| 02:07.27 | Finetundra | markybob, tharkun I do appreciate that you guys tried |
| 02:08.08 | Finetundra | well, time to grab what's left from a live system |
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| 02:10.11 | Hermaeus-mora | Finetundra: well looks like you need to reinstall sadly |
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| 02:23.37 | sigdk | kcachegrind : Depends: kde-runtime (> 4:4.10) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 02:23.41 | sigdk | some help with this ? |
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| 02:24.01 | dvs | ,v kde-runtime |
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| 02:24.01 | judd | Package: kde-runtime on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-2; sid: 4:15.08.3-1+b1; stretch: 4:15.08.3-1+b1; experimental: 4:15.12.1-1 |
| 02:24.57 | KINgGh0sT | I cannot get PulseAudio to recognise my Analog Audio Connection it only seems to find SPDif and HDMI. |
| 02:25.55 | sigdk | dvs, ? |
| 02:26.14 | dvs | sigdk, you're not running wheezy or jessie |
| 02:26.39 | sigdk | dvs, I don't know what I'm running... |
| 02:26.56 | dvs | sigdk, then I cannot help |
| 02:27.36 | sigdk | I'm running jessie |
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| 02:28.25 | sigdk | dvs, I'm running jessie |
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| 02:29.00 | dvs | sigdk, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:29.33 | sigdk | dvs, http://paste.debian.net/414420/ |
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| 02:30.18 | kiril | hello |
| 02:30.51 | kiril | could you tell me what is needed to run kde (plazma 5.5) ? |
| 02:31.02 | kiril | is it available in debian testing? |
| 02:31.03 | markybob | kiril: on jessie? |
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| 02:31.52 | dvs | sigdk, "apt-cache policy kde-runtime" should tell you what's available. |
| 02:32.09 | markybob | kiril: anyway no. |
| 02:32.14 | kiril | i saw that on jessie is..DebianJessie contains the KDE Platform and Applications 4.14.0 and KDE Workspaces (Plasma) 4.11.13 |
| 02:32.35 | kiril | so no way.. |
| 02:32.41 | markybob | kiril: debian sid has 4.4 something. no |
| 02:32.47 | markybob | 5.4* |
| 02:33.00 | kiril | 5.4 what? |
| 02:33.15 | sigdk | dvs, http://paste.debian.net/414421/ |
| 02:33.24 | markybob | i thought we were talking about plasma |
| 02:33.32 | sigdk | so can I install this ? |
| 02:34.18 | dvs | sigdk, you should be able to |
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| 02:35.04 | sigdk | dvs, well, I get the same: kde-runtime : Depends: phonon but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.... |
| 02:35.31 | dvs | sigdk, That's why. You need to fix the broken packages. |
| 02:35.43 | dvs | and they're held |
| 02:36.43 | sigdk | dvs, and how do I fix the dependences ? |
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| 02:38.42 | dvs | sigdk, take the hold off of the broken packages. |
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| 02:40.03 | sigdk | dvs, dude... it's obvious there are some dependencies broken. It was in my first paste... you don't help me approach the problem |
| 02:40.06 | sigdk | anyway, thanks |
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| 02:40.45 | dvs | sigdk, the dependencies are broken because you have held the packages that are broken. |
| 02:42.10 | sigdk | dvs, thanks |
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| 03:09.27 | Finetundra | does anyone have a link to instrustions for installing a netgear wna1100 wireless card? |
| 03:10.55 | abrotman | !wna1100 |
| 03:10.55 | dpkg | The Netgear WNA1100 "Wireless-N 150 USB Adapter" is an 802.11n device (USB ID 0846:9030). It contains an Atheros AR9271 chipset; for device support on Debian systems, ask me about <ath9k_htc>. Not to be confused with the <wna1000>. |
| 03:11.05 | abrotman | Finetundra: /msg dpkg ath0k_htc |
| 03:11.10 | abrotman | Finetundra: /msg dpkg ath9k_htc |
| 03:11.15 | abrotman | damn typos |
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| 03:22.43 | Finetundra | abrotman: thanks |
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| 03:33.04 | Finetundra | and could someone also give me the command for setting the default xsession? I think it's something like sudo update --alternatives something like that |
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| 03:34.14 | ecom | I was here earlier with a wifi issue, and I found the root cause of my problem, but I'm not sure what to do. Running nm-connection-editor shows "Wired connection 1" being connected at the same time as my wifi network. I'm not connected to ethernet, so maybe that is why my wifi has been so unstable. How do I make network manager stop reading that I have an ethernet cable plugged in when i actually don't? |
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| 03:35.59 | Finetundra | please disregard my previous question |
| 03:36.23 | ZodoTurtle | openvpn help? |
| 03:37.01 | ZodoTurtle | I can start the conenction using openvpn client.conf. How do I get it to run as a service? |
| 03:37.28 | ZodoTurtle | service openvpn restart doesn't appear to work. |
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| 03:40.48 | jmcnaught | !openvpn enable |
| 03:40.48 | dpkg | From Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, to have an OpenVPN VPN connection started at boot time, "systemctl enable openvpn@myvpn.service". |
| 03:41.11 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: see ^^ and also check /usr/share/doc/openvpn/README.Debian.gz |
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| 03:45.55 | KANTOR | Can someone find out what I press to get into the BIOS of the MSI Cubi? |
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| 03:48.49 | abrotman | google can? |
| 03:49.22 | KANTOR | abrotman: NO it can't. Where's the link? |
| 03:49.31 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: okay. so, now how do I know if there connected, and where they are connected? |
| 03:49.55 | ZodoTurtle | Who do I find their ip's? better would be to define their IP's |
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| 03:50.52 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: i'm not really an openvpn expert, but first i would try "systemctl status openvpn@myvpn.service" |
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| 03:52.32 | KANTOR | abrotman: You couldn't find it either. |
| 03:53.29 | abrotman | KANTOR: I didn't try, it's not related to Debian |
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| 03:54.43 | KANTOR | abrotman: We're all running Debian in here. That's a given. I just wanted to know how to get into my BIOS. |
| 03:56.11 | RoyK | KANTOR: that's not related to the OS |
| 03:56.13 | ZodoTurtle | nevermind. I can find them assigned at the server. |
| 03:57.12 | jmcnaught | KANTOR: check the manufacturer's website for a user manual is what i would do. This is a Debian specific tech support channel though, so this question would have been better asked in ##hardware or some other channel |
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| 04:01.44 | KANTOR | Just read the manual. |
| 04:01.47 | KANTOR | It doesn't say. |
| 04:02.14 | KANTOR | Why wouldn't they put the key somewhere clear? |
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| 04:15.56 | sypher | KANTOR: How does this relate to Debian, at all? |
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| 04:24.56 | ZodoTurtle | Okay. so, it is now 2.5 hours later and FINALLY, I have that really easy about 5 commands working. some hundret commands later? |
| 04:25.02 | ZodoTurtle | *hundred. |
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| 04:30.30 | ZodoTurtle | so, Not that you will remember. but, when I complain that somthing will be hard. It comes from experience. I know, that I know what I'm doing and can tell when something is not going to be so easy and simple. |
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| 04:36.59 | factor1 | Was trying to search for a method to hold a package that is borken so I can instll other stuff. What was the command to do this, the package is Google Chrome. |
| 04:37.05 | factor1 | broken^ |
| 04:37.24 | RoyK | bork! |
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| 04:38.20 | factor1 | So I dont have to remove the package before installing a new random package on deiban. |
| 04:38.48 | RoyK | factor1: apt-get install -f |
| 04:38.53 | RoyK | should sort things out |
| 04:39.00 | factor1 | that only removed the package. |
| 04:39.15 | factor1 | I want to make the package transparent to apt-get |
| 04:39.33 | RoyK | apt-get purge? |
| 04:40.16 | jmcnaught | factor1: if you have a third party repo that is causing problems like this, it's probably best to just remove it. in this case can you use chromium? |
| 04:40.43 | factor1 | Open pilot also is causing the problem . |
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| 04:40.53 | factor1 | I need to hold two packages. |
| 04:41.12 | factor1 | Im installing the bluethooth stuff so I can access my quad copter via bluethooth. |
| 04:41.14 | themill | "hold" is not the right word. |
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| 04:41.30 | factor1 | But cant install the bluethooth stuff becasue of broken package.s |
| 04:41.32 | themill | If you have broken dependencies, they must be fixed |
| 04:41.48 | factor1 | Ive held packages before and it works fine. |
| 04:41.51 | jmcnaught | factor1: removing the package and then reinstalling it won't lose any user data/config, that would be stored in /home. If you won't remove the 3rd party repos now, you should at least remove them next time you do a major release upgrade (like to stretch for example) |
| 04:42.10 | factor1 | Just a pain to do so. |
| 04:42.13 | themill | this has nothing to do with "hold" |
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| 05:09.09 | poffs | how is debian planning to deal with the issue of US government demanding repository signing keys, so that they can push selected malicious updates to certain users/IP ranges? |
| 05:09.22 | poffs | i just listened to obama's speech, so that's why i'm asking |
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| 05:12.47 | well_laid_lawn | if you're worried just run off a live cd |
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| 05:20.27 | shibly | If i correct the time on windows, I can't get the top right clock at the correct time on debian, why? |
| 05:20.38 | shibly | How can i get correct time permanently? |
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| 05:20.58 | shibly | Why does time change? |
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| 05:21.50 | cast | why does time change, well that's a bit of a big question |
| 05:22.37 | cast | how does your debian clock lose time? is it when the computer is off? is it after booting into windows and back again? How much time do you lose? |
| 05:23.28 | themill | shibly: is it just always out by a certain number of hours? |
| 05:24.36 | shibly | If i come from windows, time changes |
| 05:24.43 | shibly | Time advanced 6 hours |
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| 05:25.36 | themill | shibly: what's the output of "date --utc; date" on your machine? |
| 05:26.10 | shibly | Sat Mar 12 05:25:06 UTC 2016 |
| 05:26.48 | shibly | I have changed the time from top right clock settings |
| 05:27.00 | themill | there should be two lines of output |
| 05:27.44 | themill | anyway, the issue is most likely that windows doesn't expect the hardware clock to be in UTC while linux does. |
| 05:27.46 | themill | !utc |
| 05:27.46 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. See also <windows utc>. |
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| 05:29.09 | shibly | I will not mess with utc, i will change the time manually from top right clock settings |
| 05:29.13 | shibly | Thank anyway |
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| 05:29.36 | shibly | I don't understand UTC time |
| 05:29.43 | shibly | I understand the local time only |
| 05:29.53 | dedgecumbe | shibly: come to the UK |
| 05:30.01 | dedgecumbe | it is UTC here at the moment |
| 05:30.03 | dedgecumbe | :D |
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| 05:31.27 | somiaj | shibly: then follow the factoid and let debian know your hardware clock is using local time. |
| 05:31.51 | shibly | Is UTC time same to all country? |
| 05:32.06 | shibly | http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx |
| 05:32.15 | shibly | What do you see here: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx |
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| 05:32.35 | cunpetst | what is the command to list all of the cd drives |
| 05:32.38 | cunpetst | and hard drives |
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| 05:32.58 | cunpetst | I know lsusb lists all usb drives |
| 05:33.13 | cunpetst | but I don't know which command lists all of the hdd and cd drives |
| 05:33.23 | somiaj | shibly: UTC time is not effected by time zones. Debian by default uses this time and then when it displays time shifts it by your timezone location. You have to change this behavior if you want to use local time. |
| 05:33.24 | themill | cunpetst: lshw is handy |
| 05:33.49 | themill | shibly: you never did provide the output of "date --utc; date" |
| 05:34.02 | cunpetst | thanks |
| 05:34.13 | cunpetst | what about accessing a cd drive? |
| 05:34.40 | shibly | http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx , what's the time do you see here? |
| 05:34.43 | somiaj | cunpetst: usually if there is a cd in it you can tell debian to mount it as any file system. |
| 05:35.03 | somiaj | shibly: we will see the same time, as UTC is not effected by location. |
| 05:35.25 | shibly | somiaj: Can you mention the time you are seeing currently there? |
| 05:35.40 | themill | shibly: it is the same as you. |
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| 05:35.43 | somiaj | shibly: the same one you are seing a bit past 5:30 am |
| 05:36.01 | somiaj | shibly: you don't seem to be listening to the advise you are being given. |
| 05:36.22 | shibly | I'm seeing 5:36 AM there |
| 05:37.20 | themill | that would be what "the same" means, yes. |
| 05:37.21 | shibly | dedgecumbe: Are you from UK? |
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| 05:38.18 | shibly | somiaj: Why did i see 6 minutes faster than you? |
| 05:38.38 | themill | shibly: you don't. |
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| 05:39.27 | shibly | themill: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx , are you seeing 5:40 there? |
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| 05:40.25 | themill | shibly: I've run out of ways of explaining this. It's the same. For everyone. |
| 05:40.37 | shibly | Ok |
| 05:40.50 | shibly | But what are you seeing there? |
| 05:41.22 | themill | Is there some other language you'd rather seek help in? We don't seem to be doing very well at helping you. |
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| 05:43.21 | shibly | bash: lshw: command not found , why? |
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| 05:43.27 | somiaj | shibly: you didn't. UTC time is not dependent on location |
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| 05:44.26 | somiaj | shibly: but this is not the issue nor your question. You have a choice, tell debian to use UTC time or LOCAL time for your hardware clock. In both cases if you have your timezone correct, debian will display the correct local time [though if as mentioned you dual boot with windows your hardware clock may not agree with the debian setting] |
| 05:44.34 | somiaj | shibly: install the package lshw then |
| 05:45.40 | themill | shibly: you never showed us the output of "date". |
| 05:46.16 | shibly | themill: date shows my local time, i don't want to reveal this here |
| 05:46.34 | themill | Good luck |
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| 05:48.00 | dedgecumbe_ | the hacks |
| 05:48.06 | dedgecumbe_ | CTCP reply from shibly: TIME Sat Mar 12 11:47:49 2016 |
| 05:48.11 | dedgecumbe_ | is going to hell |
| 05:49.11 | themill | Yeah, well, I already had it localised to that approximate longitude... I just hoped to have the right TZ designator there. |
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| 06:31.32 | austeregrim | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.40 | austeregrim | lol |
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| 07:35.55 | bluefive | HELLO. |
| 07:35.57 | bluefive | Is my CPU going to run hotter if I have enabled home folder ecryptfs encryption? |
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| 07:38.51 | AngeFede | bluefive, of course |
| 07:39.16 | AngeFede | encrypting needs the CPU working to encrypt-decrypt datas or any file |
| 07:39.37 | bluefive | But is it significant if the CPU has AES-NI? |
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| 08:40.12 | dfcnvt | I took a screenshot by using a hotkey: (Shift + Print Scr) I selected the area and it automatically took a screenshot and saved the file directly to the home directory. Yet, I don't see the window with an option for 'Copy to Clipboard'...How do I fix this? |
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| 08:41.00 | dfcnvt | I'm on Debian 8 with a desktop environment Cinnamon. |
| 08:41.14 | dfcnvt | Could Cinnamon be the problem and only gnome can do the job? |
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| 08:50.23 | hurdos | Hello |
| 08:50.41 | dfcnvt | Hello... |
| 08:50.48 | hurdos | Does someone build php7 deb package? |
| 08:51.01 | dfcnvt | I think everyone's sleeping since we may be mostly in United State. |
| 08:51.06 | hurdos | How to disable extra exts? |
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| 08:51.59 | dfcnvt | hurdos: Just a wild guess. I think you can hand-select which php you would like to install. |
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| 08:52.10 | hurdos | it happens :) |
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| 08:53.15 | dfcnvt | Let me see if I can help. I'll research a bit and get back to you. |
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| 08:53.38 | hurdos | I need rebuild php7 with ZTS but I got error related something with apache ext :( |
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| 08:55.28 | dfcnvt | Look like the answer is 'no' when it comes to disabling the extension in php. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13274376/disabling-a-php-extension-the-easy-way |
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| 08:56.03 | dfcnvt | Huh, okay. Maybe you need to add? |
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| 08:57.05 | dfcnvt | hurdos: Try.... sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 08:57.16 | dfcnvt | But that's php5 and not php7... :\ |
| 08:57.27 | zamuro | Just a wild guess... Is there even a apache-php7 module? |
| 08:57.29 | hurdos | yep |
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| 08:57.52 | zamuro | Oh, nice. |
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| 08:58.08 | zamuro | Well... at least for php people. |
| 08:58.24 | hurdos | zamuro: nope, I said "yep" on prev msg :) |
| 08:58.27 | dfcnvt | Yea, I think you'll have a higher chance of getting answers from #php |
| 08:58.47 | TomTomTosch | hurdos, are you on stretch or sid? |
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| 08:59.30 | TomTomTosch | and i disagree that we are mostly american :P |
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| 08:59.45 | hurdos | I'm on deb8 but I added dotdeb repo that provides php7 package |
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| 09:01.54 | TomTomTosch | then try contacting them. this is a third-party issue. may have better luck asking them directly. |
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| 09:03.01 | zamuro | hurdos: Oh! Well, that's unfortunate then. |
| 09:03.11 | hurdos | Is it possible change build rules to disable building of apache ext? There is debian/rules http://kopy.io/sUOE8 |
| 09:03.27 | zamuro | Of course, there's gotta be people actively working on that. |
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| 09:04.42 | zamuro | hurdos: Yup. debian/rules has the options for ./configure, so you might just as well not enabling the module. |
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| 09:05.48 | hurdos | I guess it is section with "apache2_config" |
| 09:06.13 | hurdos | but I do not understand how to turn off it :) |
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| 09:07.13 | zamuro | My guess is COMMON_CONFIG |
| 09:07.44 | hurdos | I did not see something of apache in common_config |
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| 09:08.08 | zamuro | Yeah, I just saw it. There is an apache_config. |
| 09:08.30 | zamuro | So if you delete all that, you might get rid of it. |
| 09:08.54 | zamuro | Of course, you need to rebuild the package. |
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| 09:09.08 | hurdos | yep, I will try |
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| 09:12.11 | cynthia__ | I want to ask, is there a difference between EFI and /boot? i'm having trouble configuring the partition, trying to install Jessie on a fresh hard drive |
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| 09:15.07 | dfcnvt | cynthia__: Just recently, I've installed debian two days ago. If I remember, you simply pick the hard drive then there would be an options for partition, I think it would be recommended to have all in one. After the change, you should select the single branch of your selected hard drive. |
| 09:15.29 | dfcnvt | note, I don't know much about EFI & /boot in what you were referring to. |
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| 09:16.50 | cynthia__ | dfcnvt: you didn't manually change any of the sizes yourself? I have a 3TB hard drive and i'm trying to partition it effectively and efficiently... i want to have 1TB for home though i have 10GB for /, 8GB for swap and the rest is kinda up in the air... /usr, /var, etc, ...not sure |
| 09:20.00 | dfcnvt | I see. Sometime I don't know what's best amount or optimization for each partition. Mine was 120 GB for the whole main Debian system. Any personal file was saved to my external drive, 1 TB. |
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| 09:21.20 | dfcnvt | I'll leave it to people here helping you out. Good luck. |
| 09:21.39 | cynthia__ | thanks dfcnvt |
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| 09:24.26 | rysiek|pl | well, the mdadm-based RAID1 partition resize isn't going well |
| 09:24.59 | rysiek|pl | sed s/resize/shrink/ |
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| 09:26.49 | rysiek|pl | I have shrunk the filesystem on /dev/md2 with resize2fs, then shrunk the array size with mdadm --grow (to a size a bit larger than new filesystem size), then removed one of the two partitions that are parts if the array with mdadm --fail |
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| 09:27.50 | rysiek|pl | then shrunk (actually, deleted, added new with smaller size) the partition on the physical drive with fdisk (to a size yet a bit larger than the current array size) |
| 09:28.22 | rysiek|pl | and tried adding it back to the array with mdadm -a /dev/md2 /dev/sda3 |
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| 09:28.35 | rysiek|pl | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda3: Device or resource busy |
| 09:29.30 | rysiek|pl | which is rather unsurprising, I guess, since two other partitions on the sane drive are parts of different arrays (md0, md1), and I git "Re-reading the partition table failed.: Device or resource busy" when changing partitions with fdisk on /dev/sda3 |
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| 09:30.11 | rysiek|pl | the question now is: what to do about that. reboot and hope? remove all partitions from all arrays, reload the kernel partition table, and recreate the arrays? |
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| 09:31.31 | zamuro | rysiek|pl: The safest bet is to actually drop the partition table and start over. But you might not want to do that. |
| 09:31.44 | rysiek|pl | zamuro: not really, no |
| 09:31.50 | rysiek|pl | well, I do have backups |
| 09:32.05 | rysiek|pl | and I am doing this on the testing server to prep for the same stuff in production |
| 09:32.38 | rysiek|pl | so what I want to have is a surefire way to shrink an mdadm-managed partition-based RAID1 array without losing data |
| 09:33.26 | rysiek|pl | zamuro: this is what I was doing: https://tech.occrp.org/etherpad/p/mdadm |
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| 09:33.47 | zamuro | Wouldn't that bring a misconfiguration of the array? Since partitions are actually set up into the array and not into the physical drive. |
| 09:33.58 | rysiek|pl | ? |
| 09:34.32 | rysiek|pl | the arrays are partition-based. as in, md2 is made up of /dev/sda3 and /dev/sdb3 |
| 09:34.51 | zamuro | Oh, I see. |
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| 09:35.13 | rysiek|pl | zamuro: so, my options are I guess: |
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| 09:36.08 | rysiek|pl | 1. mdadm /dev/md2 --remove /dev/sda3; mdadm /dev/md2 --stop; mdadm /dev/md0 --stop; mdadm /dev/md1 --stop; reload the partition table; start md2; add sda3 to it and see what happens |
| 09:36.12 | rysiek|pl | 2. reboot and hope |
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| 09:37.13 | zamuro | If deleting the partition table altogether is not an option, that's the safest bet. |
| 09:37.25 | rysiek|pl | 1. or 2.? ;) |
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| 09:37.31 | zamuro | But, if you do have backups, that wouldn't be a problem. |
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| 09:37.42 | zamuro | The first one. |
| 09:37.46 | rysiek|pl | aha |
| 09:37.50 | rysiek|pl | okay, let's see :) |
| 09:38.06 | zamuro | rebooting and crossing fingers usually don't pay off |
| 09:38.11 | rysiek|pl | zamuro: true |
| 09:38.14 | zamuro | LOL |
| 09:38.39 | rysiek|pl | zamuro: I am also guessing step 4. instead of: |
| 09:38.40 | rysiek|pl | mdadm /dev/md2 --fail /dev/sda3 |
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| 09:38.42 | rysiek|pl | should be |
| 09:39.07 | rysiek|pl | mdadm /dev/md2 --fail /dev/sda3 --remove /dev/sda3 |
| 09:39.36 | zamuro | First adding, then removing? |
| 09:40.18 | rysiek|pl | no no |
| 09:40.28 | rysiek|pl | actually removing, not just failing the drive in the array |
| 09:40.42 | zamuro | Oh, got it. |
| 09:40.59 | rysiek|pl | also, "mdadm --stop /dev/md0; mdadm --stop /dev/md1" should be there somewhere before doing anything with md2 and partitions on /dev/sda |
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| 09:41.28 | rysiek|pl | okay, here goes nothing |
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| 09:44.32 | rysiek|pl | oook, recovery started on md2 |
| 09:44.37 | rysiek|pl | let's see how that goes |
| 09:45.07 | rysiek|pl | ~3h to go |
| 09:45.13 | zamuro | hahahah |
| 09:45.15 | rysiek|pl | 1.7TiB :) |
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| 09:45.56 | rysiek|pl | maybe I should say "fsck it" and just use the backups; the resize2fs shrink thing took ~20h on this bad boy |
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| 10:31.19 | ledufakademy | hi |
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| 10:37.02 | Malinux | I have tried to boot a fat32-formatet usb-stick with a /efi/boot foler containtg the shell64x.efi file |
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| 11:23.31 | cool06 | hi all |
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| 11:23.49 | cool06 | in my machine apt-get update git stucked and its very slow |
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| 11:28.47 | atralheaven | bertrik: I had this problem before, but after repairing there would be both windows and linux option to select |
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| 12:53.01 | rszibele | Hello everyone. How can I contribute to the Debian Wiki? I'd like to add some hardware info to https://wiki.debian.org/VGAPassthrough |
| 12:53.23 | themill | Create an account and go for it |
| 12:56.01 | rszibele | Oh, you have to create an account... always thought it was publicly editable. |
| 12:56.07 | rszibele | Thanks. |
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| 12:59.00 | rgr | It is publicly editable. but you need to create an account obviously so it can be tracked as to who changed what. |
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| 13:04.10 | fearnothing | hi folks, having a permissions issue |
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| 13:04.23 | fearnothing | I've set up a service account which owns a bunch of directories |
| 13:04.40 | fearnothing | but it's unable to read from a file in one of the subdirectories |
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| 13:05.03 | fearnothing | even though it has rw-rw---- permissions all the way down |
| 13:05.38 | fearnothing | what might be the problem? |
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| 13:05.52 | fearnothing | root@spaceball-1:/home/presidentskroob# sudo -u sneezed cat /usr/local/sneezed/CA/private/sneezed.crt |
| 13:05.52 | fearnothing | cat: /usr/local/sneezed/CA/private/sneezed.crt: Permission denied |
| 13:06.20 | fearnothing | root@spaceball-1:/home/presidentskroob# ls -lah /usr/local/sneezed/CA/private/sneezed.crt |
| 13:06.20 | fearnothing | -rw-rw---- 1 sneezed sneezed 1.3K Jun 27 2015 /usr/local/sneezed/CA/private/sneezed.crt |
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| 13:22.42 | abrotman | fearnothing: are you sure that's the UID/GID it's running with? |
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| 13:38.57 | dutchfish | rszibele, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorQuickStart |
| 13:39.39 | dutchfish | rszibele, and https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorGuide |
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| 13:44.35 | rszibele | dutchfish: Thanks, I'll check that out. |
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| 13:51.47 | hurdos | I got the error http://kopy.io/Zk5cu during building php7 with ZTS deb pkg. Can someone help me with it? |
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| 14:00.47 | rgr | hurdos: did you correctly configure before trying to make? I dont know that particular package's build reqs though. Out of curiosity why are you compiling it? |
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| 14:01.51 | hurdos | rgr: I built pure deb pkg before change configuration |
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| 14:03.06 | hurdos | I added a few lines in debian/rules: --enable-maintainer-zts --enable-pthreads |
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| 14:08.46 | Walakea | how stable should debian testing be? |
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| 14:10.08 | hurdos | I used custom deb repo to fetch php7 pkg |
| 14:10.20 | abrotman | Walakea: Depends what you're using, and the wind speed in Topeka |
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| 14:12.37 | Walakea | this reminds me i should probably take my home folder to a separate partition |
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| 14:12.57 | migmolrod | hi |
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| 14:16.36 | rgr | Walakea : I use it for development. Never a bother (these days). In days gone by BSOD was common enough when the nvidia drivers etc might have changed the way they install. But generally it's pretty rock.... more stable than Ubuntu at any rate ;) |
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| 14:20.46 | Walakea | whose open-source drivers are generally better, AMD or Nvidia? |
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| 14:21.38 | abrotman | AMD |
| 14:21.58 | Plush-Teddy | Windows fanboys would say nVidia :P |
| 14:22.44 | Walakea | i dont care much about performance |
| 14:23.08 | Walakea | i want it to work without having to use the proprietary crap |
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| 14:23.43 | r6ku | intel then? you can't use the radeon driver without the non-free firmware blob |
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| 14:24.29 | happygilmoregent | why can't steam just be 64bit |
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| 14:25.08 | abrotman | Walakea: then yes, Intel, but they don't make discrete cards anymore |
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| 14:26.39 | Walakea | what about the nvidia nouveau? |
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| 14:28.05 | abrotman | depends on your card |
| 14:28.40 | Walakea | sadly i have 940 M |
| 14:28.54 | abrotman | whatever that is |
| 14:29.03 | Walakea | which probably means i will have to wait a while |
| 14:29.13 | Walakea | nvidia |
| 14:29.18 | Walakea | also intel |
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| 14:34.34 | r6ku | intel's new skylake cpus require non-free firmware too, I really don't like how hardware manufacturers have us by the balls, maybe in the future we will be able to make our own hardware :p |
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| 14:58.07 | asding | hi guys I dunno why some time ago I installed xserver-xorg-video-intel and I started having problem with the miniDP of my notebook. Can I just remove it now? Should I reconfigure xserver to use the "builtin modesetting"? |
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| 15:23.41 | Devastator | good evening, I was doing a dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie and for some reason my screen is locked after sometime idle but there is no password box for unlock, screen just blinks when I move mouse pointer |
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| 15:38.42 | asding | hi guys I dunno why some time ago I installed xserver-xorg-video-intel and I started having problem with the miniDP of my notebook. I tried to uninstall it and then I was not able to login anymore (inserting pwd in the gdm3 login was not letting me in) |
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| 15:40.13 | mtn | asding: do you have an intel video card/chip? |
| 15:41.19 | asding | mtn, yes, intel i5 and HD4400 |
| 15:41.38 | mtn | asding: so, a hybrid video laptop? |
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| 15:41.54 | asding | mtn, nope, just the integrated |
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| 15:42.22 | mtn | asding: anyway, you obviously need the intel driver installed |
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| 15:42.48 | asding | mtn, do you suggest installing the one from intel? I mean not from the repo |
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| 15:42.58 | mtn | asding: no |
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| 15:43.42 | asding | mtn, so I should stick with the xserver-xorg-video-intel? |
| 15:43.53 | mtn | asding: yes |
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| 15:46.50 | miesco | Hi my crontab isn't working. None of my scripts are running and I am getting no emails. root is running 'cron -f'. What is the first step to fixing this? |
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| 15:47.36 | karlpinc` | miesco: Look in the logs. |
| 15:47.42 | teraflops | Look at te logs. |
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| 15:47.45 | teraflops | Heh |
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| 15:49.59 | miesco | Okay its running. I guess 'notify-send' is just not working. Maybe it doesn't know what DISPLAY |
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| 15:50.52 | asding | mtn, ok, I tried to plug the monitor via dp now and it worked but then when detaching it I see just a black login screen on my laptop and everything is freezed. So I need to do a hard shutdown... |
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| 15:51.57 | karlpinc | miesco: Cron does not have much of an environment. "man 5 crontab" |
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| 15:54.23 | miesco | karlpinc: Okay I got it working. I just set `DISPLAY=:0` in my crontab |
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| 15:56.26 | asding | mtn, how can I collect some logs to see what's going on? |
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| 15:57.05 | mtn | asding: the logs are in /var/log |
| 15:57.05 | asding | same problem also when waking up from suspend |
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| 15:57.36 | mtn | asding: with intel you might want to try a newer kernel from backports, too |
| 15:58.54 | asding | currently on 4.3.0-1 |
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| 16:13.24 | migmolrod | hi guys. i have a question about default shell |
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| 16:13.41 | migmolrod | i'm currently trying to follow this guide https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/perfect-server-debian-8-jessie-apache-bind-dovecot-ispconfig-3/ |
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| 16:16.17 | migmolrod | and it states to add the contrib and non-free repositories to sources.list. does this have security implications? just licenses? |
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| 16:16.41 | markybob | migmolrod: no. just licenses. |
| 16:16.48 | migmolrod | ok. thanks. |
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| 16:18.41 | migmolrod | i see, one of the reasons they say is to install libapache2_mod_fastcgi. and there is a 'free' version called libapache2_mod_fcgid. any experiences with them? some people say fastcgi is faster than fcgid. others say the contrary.... quite confusing |
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| 16:18.49 | lichenx1 | does anyone know why after a reboot virtualbox doesn't work until I run "/sbin/rcvboxdrv setup" ? |
| 16:19.04 | lichenx1 | is there a way to make this permanent? |
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| 16:20.51 | karlpinc | migmolrod: Is it really going to matter is the real question. Do you have the traffic volume that makes you care? If you do, you're probably better off going to nginx anyway. |
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| 16:22.47 | migmolrod | it's not the traffic, but the vps i'm going to use is quite basic in terms of resouces for now (maybe if my main project goes well, i can go for a bigger one). i would prefer apache2 just for the .htaccess support. afaik, there is no equivalent to that in nginx, right? |
| 16:23.26 | karlpinc | lichenx1: Adding something to rc.local is the easy kludge. Better would be to make a systemd system unit file. But both of those may well be the wrong way. The right way is to figure out why you need to do that in the first place. |
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| 16:24.26 | lichenx1 | the command does this "Trying to register the VirtualBox kernel modules using DKMS " |
| 16:25.06 | rszibele | Is anyone able to make anything out of these boot messages: http://pastebin.com/yv6fwHqB ? With my HD Radeon 5670 card installed my system will lock up during boot. |
| 16:25.24 | lichenx1 | every time I run the command it solves the issue and I can run virtualbox, but I've never had this problem |
| 16:26.01 | rszibele | The card works just fine on Windows 7 and 10. |
| 16:26.10 | rszibele | So it's not defect. |
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| 16:27.48 | karlpinc | migmolrod: .htaccess sucks the wockus. There's no good reason to use them. What are you really trying to accomplish? |
| 16:28.35 | migmolrod | using symfony2, a php framework that has already its own .htaccess |
| 16:28.43 | migmolrod | in pretty much every project |
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| 16:32.45 | karlpinc | migmolrod: I can't say much then. I pretty much agree with https://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ and do my best to avoid php after years of putting up with it. If you have to live there, go for it. |
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| 16:36.41 | migmolrod | well, tons of things happened since 2012 in php world. i have to agree with quite some points of the article but others are just deprecated or inexistent/avoidable when using mature and well developed frameworks like symfony2. |
| 16:36.43 | migmolrod | plus i'm very comfortable with the language. keeping good practices also help a lot. |
| 16:36.45 | karlpinc | rszibele: What kernel are you running. |
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| 16:37.16 | karlpinc | migmolrod: It's not that good code can't be written in php, agreed. |
| 16:38.55 | rszibele | karlpinc: Linux debian 4.4.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.4.4-2 (2016-03-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:40.18 | karlpinc | migmolrod: I do have to disagree about mature frameworks and putting up with things. An counter example is pylons/pyramid. Started in September, 2005. And has been without clunkyness since. It's a matter of having been designed instead of "just grown". But this is off topic. We can take it to #debian-offtopic. (But can't say whether I'll really chat.) |
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| 16:41.18 | karlpinc | rszibele: That looks like sid. Perhaps you need support on #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
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| 16:42.30 | rszibele | karlpinc: Thanks, I'll ask over there as well. |
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| 16:44.22 | migmolrod | yep. with mature i meant frameworks that are heavily focused on enterprise levels. i wasn't saying mature = lot of time. i was more like mature = built under solid principles and on the shoulders of giants |
| 16:44.39 | migmolrod | but agree its kinda offtopic :D |
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| 16:51.07 | Devastator | ,kernels |
| 16:51.08 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.5.0-rc7-686-pae (4.5~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.4-2); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.5-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u3) |
| 16:51.18 | asding | Hi guys when I unplug my dp monitor I get this message on my notebook monitor "drm:intel_dp_start_link_train [i915]: ERROR failed to enable link training" then "failed to start channel equalization". Then there is no X... any clue? Is this related to the driver in use? I am using xserver-xorg-driver-intel |
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| 16:53.36 | ecom | I'm getting the error " |
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| 16:54.31 | somiaj | asding: what desktop do you use? What are you using to configure the second monintor? |
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| 16:55.08 | ecom | I'm getting the error "modprobe: bad line 1: 1 tokens found, 2 needed" on boot. What does it mean? |
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| 16:58.31 | asding | somiaj, I don't get it. Just gnome shell settings manager |
| 16:59.12 | somiaj | asding: just wondering, as there are lots of different tools out there. If you go intot he settings and disable the monintor before you unplug it do you have the same issue? |
| 16:59.23 | somiaj | i.e. wondering if the issue is with some tool when it detects the monintor being unplugged |
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| 17:01.46 | asding | somiaj, ok I will try now (and then reboot) |
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| 17:06.20 | asding | somiaj, ok, I can play with the settings and no problem, just when I physically unplug the dp cable I get that message and a freeze. So I have to manually switch the system off |
| 17:07.03 | somiaj | asding: after you manually turn it off, and unplug it, the same? |
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| 17:07.16 | somiaj | so the issue is with the autodetecting of it being unplugged while still being running. |
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| 17:08.42 | asding | somiaj, yeah, the same, I tried to switch it off from the settings and then remove the cable -> same results. tty console and the 2 lines of errors. |
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| 17:09.03 | asding | somiaj, I tell you that I've always used this setup without any problem for the last 3 years |
| 17:09.12 | asding | somiaj, just a week ago it all started |
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| 17:10.29 | asding | somiaj, and I think all this started after I installed "firmware-linux-nonfree". |
| 17:10.43 | somiaj | asding: what version of debian do you run, what video card? |
| 17:10.47 | somiaj | what video driver in x? |
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| 17:12.08 | asding | stretch, HD4400 integrated, driver=i915 |
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| 17:13.21 | somiaj | Youc ould remove the firwmare package if you think that is the issue, but I don't think the intel driver uses any non-free firmware |
| 17:13.33 | somiaj | it could also be a kernel upgrade or another issue that arrose due to stretch is a moving target |
| 17:14.15 | boubou | hey guys |
| 17:14.17 | boubou | I setupped the dns on Godaddy to resolve hide.my.ip.upsidehosting.com |
| 17:14.29 | boubou | how can I set reverse-dns ? `( |
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| 17:15.12 | asding | somiaj, tried also with other two older kernels, same story |
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| 17:15.30 | somiaj | asding: has the intel driver been updated recentally? |
| 17:15.38 | abrotman | boubou: a) not really a Debian questoin b) do you own your netblock? |
| 17:15.43 | somiaj | boubou: unless you have control of the ip you may not be able to setup revese dns? |
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| 17:16.28 | boubou | I agree, its not a debian question but you look very nice here |
| 17:16.37 | boubou | so I guesed to ask here |
| 17:16.58 | boubou | yes, I have control on this ip |
| 17:17.14 | boubou | ohhhh, you just put on a light |
| 17:17.17 | boubou | :) |
| 17:17.27 | abrotman | boubou: you probably want #dns |
| 17:18.17 | boubou | :) |
| 17:18.33 | ArchDuke | Getting 'WARNING **: Configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 100' trying to install debian stretch off a usb flashdrive |
| 17:18.36 | asding | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/2LvAd0nm |
| 17:19.17 | ecom | I get "iwconfig command not found" when running 'iwconfig'. I have the latest version of wireless-tools and I'm on the netdev group. How do I fix this? |
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| 17:19.48 | ecom | nevermind, you just run it in root |
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| 17:21.08 | somiaj | ecom: lots of system stuff is just not available in the users path. |
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| 17:29.42 | marjinal1st | Is there any file for MAKEFLAGS variable to be set default, in Jessie 8.3? |
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| 17:32.22 | asding | somiaj, should I try uninstalling something? |
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| 17:34.10 | kotten | marjinal1st you could set it in your .bashrc |
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| 17:35.42 | frikinz | .profile rather |
| 17:35.44 | kotten | marjinal1st I hope I am nog lying to you it could .profile but I am 99.999% sure that .bashrc is there and that de f.e. there you have HISTSIZE=1000 |
| 17:35.45 | kotten | ok |
| 17:35.50 | kotten | so... |
| 17:35.52 | kotten | this is the... |
| 17:35.54 | marjinal1st | kotten: I know I can set as env variable. I'm asking that, is there file (in etc folder) that has the default value for that env variable? |
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| 17:36.05 | kotten | 0.001.... |
| 17:36.33 | kotten | marjinal1st /etc/profile ? |
| 17:36.43 | clbk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.49 | clbk | i'm sorry |
| 17:37.11 | kotten | marjinal1st aha |
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| 17:37.22 | kotten | for that specific variable |
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| 17:37.50 | kotten | marjinal1st not that I know of.. I think that tends to be set by the program you are building |
| 17:37.55 | somiaj | asding: I'm unsure. That can be a problem with running testing is dealing with bugs that arise. I would work on tracking down the issue and seeing if there are any bugreports on it |
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| 17:38.41 | somiaj | man bash if you want to know the difference between when to use .profile vs .bashrc (or just source one from the other so they are both read in all cases) |
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| 17:38.59 | marjinal1st | kotten: I've seen that variable in Arch build systems default configuration file, so that I just wondered if Debian has default for it. Thanks anyway ;) |
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| 17:39.45 | somiaj | marjinal1st: afiak the build varaibles are set int he debian/ directory of the source. Though I'm unsure of any default place to set them. |
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| 17:42.02 | boubou | ./etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 71: Bad configuration option: ServerAliveInterval |
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| 17:42.11 | boubou | huuu ? |
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| 17:43.07 | somiaj | boubou: man sshd_config and put the correct option in the file. That option doesn't exist |
| 17:43.07 | TomTomTosch | boubou, do you want us tu guess? :P |
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| 17:43.27 | boubou | no no, I just found it |
| 17:43.31 | boubou | sorry for distrubing |
| 17:43.45 | boubou | I thought I can add it in /etc/ssh/sshd |
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| 17:43.52 | boubou | I thought I can add it in /etc/ssh/sshd_config* |
| 17:43.53 | TomTomTosch | ah well. somiaj is good at guessing anyway :P |
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| 17:44.16 | boubou | somiaj guess well YES |
| 17:44.18 | boubou | ;) |
| 17:44.29 | boubou | poke somiaj! |
| 17:44.32 | boubou | :) |
| 17:45.17 | boubou | can I join #debian-next ? |
| 17:45.34 | zykotick9 | boubou: #debian-next is on OFTC, not freenote... |
| 17:45.50 | boubou | ohhhh |
| 17:46.04 | boubou | there is a chan on freenode but its invite only |
| 17:46.05 | boubou | :( |
| 17:46.13 | TomTomTosch | nope. |
| 17:46.33 | boubou | [12:45:01] #debian-next unable to join channel (invite only) |
| 17:46.51 | clbk | hello everyone, while trying to upgrade to testing i've and error about the sysvinit-utils package. Seems it is releated to the sysv->systemd transition. any suggestions or link? I've gooled about without any significant result |
| 17:46.59 | abrotman | boubou: what does the topic say? |
| 17:47.04 | abrotman | (in here) |
| 17:47.09 | boubou | yes |
| 17:47.15 | boubou | I saw that |
| 17:47.20 | boubou | M. :( |
| 17:47.48 | boubou | it also says you are op here |
| 17:47.49 | boubou | ;) |
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| 17:47.50 | boubou | abrotman!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman |
| 17:48.13 | TomTomTosch | i don't think that comes as a suprise to him... |
| 17:48.34 | boubou | tto me yes |
| 17:48.35 | boubou | :P |
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| 17:48.47 | abrotman | brilliant .. |
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| 17:57.54 | marlinc | What is the channel for package maintainers? |
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| 17:58.50 | TomTomTosch | marlinc, #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:06.05 | Devastator | I remember there was a factoid about creating a debian kernel package from kernel source, does anybody remember the name of it? |
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| 18:11.25 | TomTomTosch | Devastator, or you can just look into the kernel handbook. it's rather concise. https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-building |
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| 18:13.09 | Devastator | TomTomTosch right, does make oldconfig get my current config in /boot? |
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| 18:16.03 | TomTomTosch | Devastator, no, i think you need to copy that to ./.config first, but better ask an adult, i'm not sure. |
| 18:16.15 | Devastator | TomTomTosch thanks |
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| 18:56.57 | frikinz | http://askubuntu.com/questions/360159/how-can-i-change-the-default-folder-location-that-nautilus-opens |
| 18:57.04 | frikinz | dontknow: ^ |
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| 18:59.38 | dontknow | thanks frikinz |
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| 19:01.16 | r0ck_ | hey ppl! love you! and debian! |
| 19:01.47 | r0ck_ | having troubles with mate-screenshot -a function if debian mate environment doing are capture with keyboard shortcuts |
| 19:02.00 | r0ck_ | anyone had this issue? is there any solution? |
| 19:03.29 | ompaul | r0ck_: you might want to say to people what version of mate you are using on whatever version of debian and before you do say that make sure you have dist-upgraded to the latest |
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| 19:03.57 | ompaul | that is not to change version number but make sure you have the lastest packages |
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| 19:09.03 | r0ck_ | I have jessie with 1.8.1 mate |
| 19:09.21 | ompaul | how did you install mate? |
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| 19:09.44 | r0ck_ | apt-get install mate-core |
| 19:09.47 | r0ck_ | and stuff |
| 19:10.04 | ompaul | ,v mate |
| 19:10.05 | judd | No package named 'mate' was found in amd64. |
| 19:10.10 | ompaul | ,v mate-core |
| 19:10.11 | judd | Package: mate-core on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.0+7~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.0+9; stretch: 1.12.0+1; sid: 1.12.0+1 |
| 19:10.34 | ompaul | hmm you sure about that version number |
| 19:10.42 | ompaul | we don't seem to have that in jessie |
| 19:11.00 | ompaul | I'm on sid so I can't replicate your problem |
| 19:11.04 | r6ku | try task-mate-desktop or mate-desktop-environment |
| 19:11.17 | ompaul | it will give you more parts |
| 19:11.28 | r0ck_ | http://imgur.com/ZIv8JPB |
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| 19:12.25 | TomTomTosch | r0ck_, important is what dpkg -l mate-core shows. |
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| 19:13.19 | ompaul | TomTomTosch: version number not debian |
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| 19:14.38 | r0ck_ | http://imgur.com/2qkr9QR |
| 19:14.44 | r0ck_ | output of dpkg -l mate-core |
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| 19:15.01 | TomTomTosch | looks fine. |
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| 19:15.33 | sol | hello :) |
| 19:15.52 | ompaul | r0ck_: that wasn't what you reported earlier :-) |
| 19:15.57 | sol | I've been struggling with my soundcard on and off for weeks now, and have just been getting by with no audio |
| 19:16.08 | TomTomTosch | ompaul, it doesn't matter what the gui shows. |
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| 19:16.19 | sol | I've tried googling everything I could think of and have been up and down every forum thread trying to get it to work |
| 19:16.28 | TomTomTosch | r0ck_, what exactly are your troubles? |
| 19:16.28 | sol | I'm wondering if someone could nudge me along a little |
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| 19:16.45 | ompaul | TomTomTosch: ah not a mate user - installed it while waiting and saw the screenshot user |
| 19:16.46 | sol | I've got a Xonar DGX (CMI8788) which is supposed to be supported by the alsa version I'm using (1.0.24) |
| 19:16.49 | ompaul | TomTomTosch: ah not a mate user - installed it while waiting and saw the screenshot use |
| 19:16.55 | r0ck_ | trouble is that i cannot take area screenshots |
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| 19:17.02 | r0ck_ | with mate-screenshot -a option |
| 19:17.05 | r0ck_ | from keyboard shortcuts |
| 19:17.15 | r0ck_ | its just takes print screen of the whole screen |
| 19:17.16 | sol | I'm using debian wheezy / 3.2.65 |
| 19:17.49 | sol | my sound card comes up in lspci, and lshw -C sound says 'UNCLAIMED' for it |
| 19:17.59 | sol | I have mod_oxygen loaded, which is supposed to be the driver that supports it |
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| 19:19.26 | r0ck_ | anyway, I love debian, but some packages are really old ;) like this mate is from april 2014 |
| 19:19.40 | TomTomTosch | r0ck_, does it work from a terminal? |
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| 19:19.48 | r0ck_ | yea it works |
| 19:19.49 | r0ck_ | from terminal |
| 19:19.56 | r0ck_ | from terminal its all ok |
| 19:20.13 | TomTomTosch | r0ck_, that's to be expected from debian stable. it does not want to have the newest anything. |
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| 19:21.18 | r0ck_ | TomTomTosch: what debian I can have with a never packages? |
| 19:21.21 | r0ck_ | its like test? |
| 19:21.22 | r0ck_ | or? |
| 19:21.32 | towa | r0ck_: if you want new go testing |
| 19:21.58 | towa | Its still pretty stable |
| 19:22.07 | TomTomTosch | r0ck_, i wouldn't use debian if you want cutting edge. but maybe you will like testing. |
| 19:22.22 | r0ck_ | how can I switch to testing |
| 19:22.29 | r0ck_ | by keeping everything like it is? |
| 19:22.39 | r0ck_ | I mean, can I upgrade, but still have my settings? |
| 19:22.49 | r0ck_ | or I have to install from scratch? |
| 19:22.49 | towa | basically just change /etc/sources.list |
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| 19:22.57 | TomTomTosch | r0ck_, still interested in fixing your problem? |
| 19:23.02 | r0ck_ | TomTomTosch: sure |
| 19:23.24 | r0ck_ | but I am also curious about testing |
| 19:23.31 | TomTomTosch | r0ck_ i would try creating a bash script as a wrapper. |
| 19:23.41 | r0ck_ | didnt work |
| 19:23.46 | r0ck_ | I found that solution on internet |
| 19:23.50 | r0ck_ | but thats not working |
| 19:23.58 | TomTomTosch | with sleep 1 ? |
| 19:24.01 | r0ck_ | yea |
| 19:24.03 | TomTomTosch | mh |
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| 19:24.36 | Maws | I know debian-testing isn't supported here, but would anyone know how to get libssl.so.1.0.0 onto testing ? (I'v been in debian-next to check)...... |
| 19:25.01 | r0ck_ | http://imgur.com/MK8wSI1 |
| 19:25.14 | r0ck_ | should I change jessie to testing in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:25.14 | sol | I guess I'll remove debian and install something newer |
| 19:25.15 | r0ck_ | ? |
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| 19:25.22 | sol | I'm out of ideas |
| 19:26.00 | r6ku | sol: upgrade to jessie? |
| 19:26.28 | sol | r6ku; I'd rather have bleeding edge at this point. What I have should already support this card. |
| 19:26.30 | towa | r0ck_: yes thats all you need to do beside apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:26.42 | ompaul | r6ku: that's backward |
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| 19:27.37 | r6ku | what? :S |
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| 19:27.58 | frikinz | dpkg: stable->testing |
| 19:27.58 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
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| 19:28.25 | r6ku | I thought wheezy was already oldstable at this point... |
| 19:28.29 | r6ku | walks away |
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| 19:29.14 | jmcnaught | r0ck_: yeah before you upgrade to testing you sohuld understand it's not just for newer releases, it's for testing and finding bugs. sometimes stuff is broken, and updates often change things. if you don't like fixing your computer every time you update, consider sticking with stable |
| 19:30.02 | r0ck_ | I want to try that |
| 19:30.19 | towa | its not like testing breaks on every update |
| 19:30.26 | ompaul | r0ck_: if you try and it fails what is your get oout of jail method? |
| 19:30.35 | frikinz | there are OS that are more broken than debian testing or unstable even :) |
| 19:30.49 | r0ck_ | ompaul: dont know yet, I will reinstall the system again |
| 19:30.55 | r0ck_ | I have everything on owncloud |
| 19:30.56 | r0ck_ | anyway |
| 19:30.57 | r0ck_ | ;) |
| 19:30.59 | ompaul | r0ck_: bad plan |
| 19:31.09 | r0ck_ | I will try to make my /home folder on owncloud |
| 19:31.14 | r0ck_ | what do you think about that? |
| 19:31.35 | ompaul | better plan to try other desktops while your one is getting fixed - but also be away apt-get install mate-* might solve your other issue |
| 19:31.47 | ompaul | s/away/aware |
| 19:31.56 | ompaul | wow my typing is really poor this evening |
| 19:32.26 | jmcnaught | or try testing on a spare computer or VM for a bit to get a feel for it |
| 19:32.34 | frikinz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:32.49 | r0ck_ | frikinz: what would you suggest? |
| 19:33.01 | r0ck_ | I dont want my files on my computer only anymore |
| 19:33.10 | r0ck_ | I want my files on cloud, backuped and synched |
| 19:33.54 | TomTomTosch | how you do your backups is your problem alone. it's fine. i would encrypt it first though. |
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| 19:34.35 | jmcnaught | r0ck_: keeping your files backed up on owncloud isn't a terrible idea, having that be the only place you keep them would be |
| 19:34.45 | frikinz | r0ck_: typical is to use NFS for this |
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| 19:36.33 | frikinz | there would also be luks on mdadm with a remote member on dropbox |
| 19:36.51 | r0ck_ | dropbox is too expensive |
| 19:37.01 | r0ck_ | I do not know wheter my hosting provides nfs |
| 19:37.01 | wqe | so when is iceweasel going to be removed from debian? |
| 19:37.06 | r0ck_ | as this is not dedicated server |
| 19:37.24 | TomTomTosch | wqe, with the next stable probably. |
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| 19:37.44 | TomTomTosch | but i think there will be a transition package. |
| 19:38.09 | r0ck_ | TomTomTosch: which is most developed debian desktop-environment? |
| 19:38.10 | r6ku | r0ck_: why not just have local backups? get an external hdd or something and sync your data to that |
| 19:38.25 | r0ck_ | I dont like connecting stuff to my pc ;)) |
| 19:38.27 | r0ck_ | only wifi |
| 19:38.28 | wqe | TomTomTosch: I'm already on firefox thru the mozilla repo. I used to keep iceweasel updated to release but that is no longer available so my iceweasel is at 44.0.2 |
| 19:38.37 | TomTomTosch | r0ck_, don't ask me, i'm using i3wm :P |
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| 19:39.10 | r0ck_ | might be anyone else knows what is the most developed and most updated desktop-environment on mate? |
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| 19:39.14 | r0ck_ | on debian* |
| 19:39.27 | r0ck_ | I use debian on 8 pcs in my office ;) and its would be good to have the best |
| 19:39.33 | TomTomTosch | kde probably. and gnome is fine too. |
| 19:39.37 | frikinz | I use KDE |
| 19:39.58 | jmcnaught | r0ck_: i would have said gnome since it's the default. gnome and kde are the most developed in general |
| 19:40.56 | jmcnaught | r0ck_: if these computers are for work then you probably don't want them on stretch/testing. not every update breaks something, but you don't want it to happen with the quarterly report is due |
| 19:41.11 | r0ck_ | should i try apt-get install gnome-desktop-enviroment for all gnome stuff? |
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| 19:41.50 | frikinz | https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 19:43.12 | r0ck_ | okay ppl I am going gnome |
| 19:43.17 | r0ck_ | lets see ;) |
| 19:43.19 | r0ck_ | thanks |
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| 19:43.40 | TomTomTosch | r0ck_, think about what r0ck_ said though. it's no joke. |
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| 19:43.52 | TomTomTosch | r0ck_, think about what jmcnaught said though. it's no joke. |
| 19:44.03 | TomTomTosch | slaps himself |
| 19:44.20 | r0ck_ | ;) |
| 19:44.28 | r0ck_ | I didnt go strech/testing |
| 19:44.33 | r0ck_ | just will try gnome |
| 19:44.42 | TomTomTosch | :) |
| 19:44.57 | n4dir | define "the best" |
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| 19:46.16 | TomTomTosch | n4dir, "of the most excellent or desirable type or quality" |
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| 19:47.22 | n4dir | that doesn't help much. the next question is what someone considers to be excellent |
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| 19:47.56 | Finetundra | Alright guys, I need to upgrade to jessie, what's the best way to do that? |
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| 19:48.07 | n4dir | iirc both, gnome and kde, will install lots of app lots of users will never need. |
| 19:48.13 | markybob | !wheezy->jessie |
| 19:48.33 | mintux1 | im trying to make .deb package but i would like to know how make /etc/<package name>/config file |
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| 19:49.36 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Finetundra about wheezy-jessie |
| 19:49.58 | jmcnaught | Finetundra: there are upgrade instructions in the release notes. it's pretty simple. there's some stuff you might want to check before doing the upgrade to prevent problems, and also issues to be aware of in jessie: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ |
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| 19:53.58 | Finetundra | jmcnaught: is there a quick and short guide? |
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| 19:55.40 | jmcnaught | Finetundra: the wheezy->jessie factoid that the bot sent you is the quick/short guide, but spending a few minutes reading the release notes for a major OS upgrade is usually better than spending a couple of hours fixing a preventable documented problem |
| 19:56.06 | Finetundra | I didn't get a messege from dpkg |
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| 19:56.45 | jmcnaught | Finetundra: do /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie |
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| 19:58.08 | Finetundra | so basically change the lines in sources .list to say jessie instead of wheezy? |
| 19:58.33 | Finetundra | then run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:58.46 | jmcnaught | Finetundra: that's the core idea, you might be missing some steps. check the instructions again :) |
| 19:58.48 | n4dir | i usually start with a "apt-get upgrade" |
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| 19:58.58 | Finetundra | right, right |
| 19:58.58 | n4dir | and as the second step the dist-upgrade |
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| 20:03.04 | r0ck_ | http://imgur.com/RuUA9R8 |
| 20:03.06 | r0ck_ | guys |
| 20:03.13 | r0ck_ | I tryed to install gnome |
| 20:03.23 | r0ck_ | and then it wanted to install iceweasel and icedowe |
| 20:03.32 | r0ck_ | which I removed and had ubuntuzilla package |
| 20:03.42 | r0ck_ | and now I cant either uninstall gnome or launch |
| 20:03.50 | karlpinc | r0ck_: Is this debian? |
| 20:04.06 | r0ck_ | or remove thunderbird-mozilla-build |
| 20:04.08 | r0ck_ | yes it is |
| 20:04.26 | karlpinc | r0ck_: Then you may have bigger problems. |
| 20:04.34 | karlpinc | !tell r0ck_ about don't break debian |
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| 20:05.25 | jmcnaught | r0ck_: if you've added ubuntu repositories to your sources.list you probably have a broken system. the two are not compatible with each other |
| 20:05.37 | r0ck_ | http://imgur.com/fXRfz87 |
| 20:05.55 | r0ck_ | yea, but debian has an very old thunderbird and very shitty evolution |
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| 20:06.03 | r0ck_ | there is no normal BUSINESS email client except thunderbird |
| 20:06.08 | abrotman | r0ck_: that doesn't mean you sohuld mix versions of Debian |
| 20:06.19 | abrotman | ofLinux I mean |
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| 20:06.45 | TomTomTosch | n4dir, then you are doing it wrong. me thinks that break things. |
| 20:07.15 | abrotman | r0ck_: which version of Debian are you trying to break? |
| 20:07.23 | n4dir | well. TomTomTosch not sure who says this is wrong. I did this for 7 years, and it didn't break anything |
| 20:07.30 | frikinz | so gnome-core depends on iceweasel... |
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| 20:07.43 | markybob | n4dir: everyone says it's wrong and it does break things |
| 20:07.45 | ompaul | abrotman: they'll say wheezy but they showed an intermediate version of mate |
| 20:08.11 | ompaul | between testing and jessie sorry |
| 20:08.14 | ompaul | abrotman: ^^ |
| 20:08.17 | jmcnaught | TomTomTosch: what breaks things? doing "apt-get upgrade" before "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 20:08.18 | ompaul | got the version wrong |
| 20:08.27 | TomTomTosch | jmcnaught, yep. |
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| 20:08.45 | jmcnaught | TomTomTosch: it's in the release notes for jessie to do it that way. |
| 20:08.50 | n4dir | markybob: for sure not everyone says it. |
| 20:09.07 | ompaul | TomTomTosch: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade should work but you should have your system up to date before you start :) |
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| 20:09.35 | n4dir | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.de.html#minimal-upgrade |
| 20:09.56 | n4dir | shesh ... |
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| 20:10.25 | jmcnaught | ^^ yeah.. this is also a recommended step for other releases not just jessie |
| 20:10.55 | ompaul | n4dir: the only requirement is that you step from version 5-6-7-8 and so on |
| 20:10.59 | ompaul | you don't skip |
| 20:11.10 | n4dir | i didn't say that. did i? |
| 20:11.11 | r0ck_ | http://imgur.com/fXRfz87 guys so I have no way out now? |
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| 20:11.18 | n4dir | well, at least i didn't mean it. |
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| 20:11.29 | r0ck_ | I cannot either remove thunderbird-mozilla-build either install iceweasel icedowe |
| 20:11.29 | ompaul | no I'm just making an observation |
| 20:11.35 | n4dir | ah, ok. thanks. |
| 20:11.37 | jmcnaught | r0ck_: maybe you could use a text based paste site like https://paste.debian.net instead of screenshots? |
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| 20:12.23 | n4dir | r0ck_: you can do apt-get install pastebinit , for more comfort when pasting ... |
| 20:13.17 | r0ck_ | http://paste.debian.net/414628/ |
| 20:13.19 | ompaul | r0ck_: as jmcnaught said and we can get the output for the following please - it will give us a good feeling for what's where apt-cache policy |
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| 20:13.45 | frikinz | r0ck_: you installed firefox from ubuntu? |
| 20:13.59 | r0ck_ | I cannot install or uninstall anything |
| 20:14.01 | r0ck_ | yes |
| 20:14.02 | r0ck_ | I did |
| 20:14.07 | abrotman | that was a bad idea |
| 20:14.13 | r0ck_ | instlal firefox from ubuntu and it worked well |
| 20:14.19 | r0ck_ | untill I tryed to install gnome now |
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| 20:14.42 | abrotman | r0ck_: pastebin "apt-cache policy" |
| 20:14.57 | r0ck_ | I cannot install pastebin - I cant install or remove any package now |
| 20:15.02 | abrotman | you just did pastebin |
| 20:15.04 | abrotman | use paste.debian.net |
| 20:15.39 | n4dir | sorry, my fault (but next time, as soon you got a working system ... ) |
| 20:15.44 | ompaul | abrotman: |
| 20:15.47 | ompaul | woops |
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| 20:16.26 | TomTomTosch | ah, fair enough, i've been proven wrong. just had it in mind that it can create conflicts. |
| 20:16.34 | ompaul | abrotman: I was wrong in my idea went to hit backspace and hit enter :-/ |
| 20:17.07 | ompaul | r0ck_: how is the paste of apt-cache policy coming along? |
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| 20:18.13 | jmcnaught | TomTomTosch: all it does is upgrades all the packages that can be upgraded without removing/installing other packages first. It also splits the upgrade into a couple of chunks, giving more of an opportunity to intervene if there's a problem |
| 20:18.19 | r0ck_ | http://paste.debian.net/414629/ |
| 20:18.49 | abrotman | jesus, no wonder |
| 20:18.57 | TomTomTosch | jmcnaught, noted :) |
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| 20:19.55 | r0ck_ | so I am stuck with that? |
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| 20:20.00 | r0ck_ | or there is some workaround? |
| 20:20.01 | n4dir | pretty sure i heard this once, might well be one of the distros which resulted from sidux (aptosid and such). |
| 20:20.10 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 20:20.40 | abrotman | r0ck_: you'll have tocomment out the lines that aren't related toJessie, and try again, it'll probably remove the packages from ubuntuzilla |
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| 20:21.34 | ompaul | n4dir: I can'e see a context for your comment |
| 20:21.44 | ompaul | is now cofuzzled |
| 20:21.51 | ompaul | or even confuzzled |
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| 20:22.40 | n4dir | ompaul: the context was the info that running apt-get upgrade before dist-upgrade would break the system. |
| 20:22.59 | n4dir | sorry for the confusion |
| 20:23.37 | ompaul | n4dir: ah, the only thing you might want to do in that context is not be in X |
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| 20:23.59 | ompaul | n4dir: you might want to be on the cli in a console in case it breaks some X related thing |
| 20:24.16 | krion | i always do dist-upgrade |
| 20:24.18 | ompaul | so the other suggestion is also to be logged out of x |
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| 20:24.24 | krion | i don't get why upgrade is used |
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| 20:24.33 | abrotman | or as someone had happen earlier, your screensaver locks, and hasn't fully upgraded so isn't offering a password prompt |
| 20:24.34 | ompaul | it hurt me once in the last three years |
| 20:24.41 | abrotman | krion: depends on your circumstances |
| 20:24.46 | krion | well |
| 20:25.06 | ompaul | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and as long as list-bugs is in place you might just be happy |
| 20:25.07 | n4dir | ompaul: i don't remember any release upgrade ever went wrong ... but yeah, sure, you are right. |
| 20:25.21 | krion | from what i've seen dist-upgrade install some bugfixing along with security |
| 20:25.23 | ompaul | n4dir: I'm on sid and have been for ... years |
| 20:25.26 | krion | and bugfixing is good |
| 20:25.37 | n4dir | ompaul: me too. |
| 20:25.42 | ompaul | not for everyone |
| 20:25.55 | krion | i disagree, but alright |
| 20:26.50 | r0ck_ | abrotman: but I cannot remove or add any packages |
| 20:26.54 | r0ck_ | apt-get doesnt let me do that |
| 20:27.04 | r0ck_ | it says there is dependency iceweasel not instlaled |
| 20:27.07 | r0ck_ | installed* |
| 20:27.16 | frikinz | so do what is says |
| 20:27.18 | ompaul | r0ck_: comment out the bad stuff, and then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:27.27 | frikinz | apt-get -f install |
| 20:27.28 | r0ck_ | from which file? |
| 20:27.36 | r0ck_ | apt-get -f install also doesnt work |
| 20:27.37 | abrotman | r0ck_: you need to comment out hte non-Debian sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:27.42 | abrotman | and then run apt-get update |
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| 20:27.57 | ompaul | r0ck_: what abrotman said |
| 20:28.24 | r0ck_ | http://paste.debian.net/414630/ |
| 20:28.33 | r0ck_ | there is noting unrelated to jessie |
| 20:28.40 | r0ck_ | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:28.41 | abrotman | also in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 20:30.08 | r0ck_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:30.17 | r0ck_ | I removed ubuntuzilla.list from that dir |
| 20:30.19 | ompaul | abrotman: we need the bot to be programmable with "set dontbreakquizfor $user |
| 20:30.20 | r0ck_ | but thats not helping |
| 20:30.21 | ompaul | " |
| 20:30.27 | abrotman | r0ck_: all of them, not just the ubuntuzilla one |
| 20:30.31 | ompaul | r0ck_: all of them |
| 20:30.52 | abrotman | and you didn't run apt-get update |
| 20:31.29 | ompaul | mute set if they get less than 90% |
| 20:31.38 | r0ck_ | not working |
| 20:31.41 | r0ck_ | the same result |
| 20:31.51 | abrotman | show us |
| 20:31.53 | ompaul | r0ck_: apt-cache policy please |
| 20:31.54 | r0ck_ | I have removed every file from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ dir |
| 20:32.06 | ompaul | r0ck_: just give us that paste |
| 20:32.24 | r0ck_ | ttp://paste.debian.net/414633/ |
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| 20:32.28 | TomTomTosch | r0ck_, did you apt-get update first? |
| 20:32.35 | r0ck_ | http://paste.debian.net/414633/ |
| 20:32.36 | r0ck_ | yes |
| 20:32.48 | r0ck_ | its everything after apt-get update |
| 20:32.53 | r0ck_ | apt-get update goes well |
| 20:32.58 | r0ck_ | without any errors |
| 20:33.04 | TomTomTosch | you might want to remove the firefox-mozilla-build |
| 20:33.10 | abrotman | r0ck_: can we see theoutput of 'apt-get update' ? |
| 20:33.13 | ompaul | r0ck_: what is the apt-cache policy command outout? |
| 20:33.16 | ompaul | output |
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| 20:34.33 | r0ck_ | http://paste.debian.net/414634/ |
| 20:34.36 | ompaul | TomTomTosch: with the list file missing that's not going to work right now, there is a way to do it but lets leave that until we see what the box can do itself |
| 20:34.36 | r0ck_ | complete |
| 20:34.39 | r0ck_ | apt-get policy |
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| 20:35.15 | abrotman | r0ck_: aptitude -f install |
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| 20:35.51 | ompaul | r0ck_: what was after pinned packages? |
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| 20:37.01 | r0ck_ | same output |
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| 20:37.19 | abrotman | what output? of what? |
| 20:37.53 | r0ck_ | http://paste.debian.net/414636/ |
| 20:38.06 | r0ck_ | aptitude -f install gives same errors |
| 20:38.12 | abrotman | r0ck_: full output, thanks |
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| 20:38.52 | ompaul | abrotman: dpkg -r some faulty bits? |
| 20:39.03 | abrotman | no idea, he's not showing us everything |
| 20:39.18 | ompaul | I'm prempting :-) |
| 20:39.27 | r0ck_ | http://paste.debian.net/414638/ |
| 20:40.11 | abrotman | r0ck_: dpkg -P firefox-mozilla-build |
| 20:41.01 | r0ck_ | http://paste.debian.net/414640/ |
| 20:41.26 | r0ck_ | ttp://paste.debian.net/414641/ |
| 20:41.27 | r0ck_ | sorry |
| 20:41.30 | r0ck_ | http://paste.debian.net/414641/ |
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| 20:42.05 | ompaul | remove iw first? |
| 20:42.06 | abrotman | r0ck_: aptitude purge firefox-mozilla-build |
| 20:42.47 | r0ck_ | it now removes gnome |
| 20:42.48 | r0ck_ | but thanks |
| 20:42.59 | abrotman | r0ck_: one problem at a time |
| 20:43.04 | ompaul | you can reinstall gnome shortly |
| 20:43.22 | r0ck_ | yes |
| 20:43.23 | r0ck_ | thanks |
| 20:43.25 | r0ck_ | ;)) |
| 20:43.34 | r0ck_ | the shit was about to hit the fan ;))) |
| 20:43.37 | abrotman | r0ck_: everything back to usable? |
| 20:43.48 | abrotman | r0ck_: Debian and ubuntu are not hte same, dont mix them |
| 20:43.49 | ompaul | r0ck_: that link to don't break debian was written for this kind of thing please read it |
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| 20:48.33 | r0ck_ | thats worked well |
| 20:48.35 | r0ck_ | I am now in gnome |
| 20:48.36 | r0ck_ | ;) |
| 20:48.56 | r0ck_ | by the way |
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| 20:49.02 | r0ck_ | what do you think about geary email client? |
| 20:49.04 | ompaul | r0ck_: please read that link |
| 20:49.34 | r0ck_ | ompaul: I have read the main thing there, but I do not like to be limited only to stable packages of debian |
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| 20:50.07 | ompaul | r0ck_: well as you saw you can kill your ability to keep the box safe and updateable by breaking the box |
| 20:50.21 | ompaul | it won't always be that easy to survive |
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| 20:53.06 | fuan | debian backports is the option |
| 20:53.13 | autrilla | What's up with this? E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux/linux-libc-dev_3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.63 80] |
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| 20:53.44 | abrotman | autrilla: run apt-get update ? |
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| 20:53.52 | abrotman | or that mirror is messed |
| 20:53.55 | autrilla | abrotman: done it |
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| 20:54.50 | abrotman | autrilla: seems like maybe the mirror is out of date .. you can inspect manually |
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| 20:56.15 | d626865e70 | Question: apt-get reports iptables is installed, which iptables comes back empty handed. Where does iptables normally reside in the filesystem. |
| 20:56.46 | markybob | d626865e70: /sbin/iptables |
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| 20:58.13 | d626865e70 | thanks much, is it standard practice to add a link in a dir in my path to the binary or to add sbin to my path? |
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| 20:59.19 | frikinz | its supposed to be in your root's path already |
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| 20:59.41 | autrilla | People I know are also reporting broken mirrors |
| 20:59.57 | autrilla | In fact, linux-libc-dev is apparently failing on all mirrors |
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| 21:01.05 | ompaul | ,v linux-libc-dev |
| 21:01.07 | judd | Package: linux-libc-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32-48squeeze6; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-48squeeze6; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6.32-48squeeze20; wheezy: 3.2.68-1+deb7u3; squeeze-backports: 3.2.68-1+deb7u6~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 3.2.73-2+deb7u3; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.2.78-1; jessie: 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u2; wheezy-backports: 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie-security: |
| 21:01.08 | judd | 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 3.16.7-ckt25-1; jessie-backports: 4.3.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.3.5-1; sid: 4.4.4-2; experimental: 4.5~rc7-1~exp1 |
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| 21:01.33 | ompaul | autrilla: did you apt-get update first |
| 21:01.37 | autrilla | ompaul: again, yes |
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| 21:01.46 | ompaul | ahh |
| 21:01.49 | jmcnaught | d626865e70: /sbin should already be in your path if you are root. also there's a "whereis" command |
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| 21:05.37 | frikinz | autrilla: the repo you showed is indeed broken. the package file references a non existing deb8u3 file |
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| 21:07.06 | frikinz | autrilla: no I misread |
| 21:07.19 | frikinz | Filename: pool/updates/main/l/linux/linux-libc-dev_3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4_amd64.deb |
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| 21:09.57 | frikinz | autrilla: try this wget -qO - http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz | zgrep Filename.*linux-libc-dev |
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| 21:13.56 | r0ck_ | yea |
| 21:14.00 | r0ck_ | gnome looks nice |
| 21:14.07 | r0ck_ | but it has some big font problems ;)) |
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| 21:16.08 | ompaul | r0ck_: apt-cache font |
| 21:16.15 | ompaul | r0ck_: apt-cache search font |
| 21:16.18 | ompaul | sorry - |
| 21:16.31 | abrotman | how did you install gnome? |
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| 21:16.38 | r0ck_ | apt-get install gnome |
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| 21:17.26 | r0ck_ | http://imgur.com/njEzYrT |
| 21:17.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | Anyone awake? |
| 21:17.39 | TyrfingMjolnir | I'm doing this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro#DOS on the debian jessie |
| 21:17.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | It all works quite OK until syslinux |
| 21:18.00 | TyrfingMjolnir | # cp /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0 /var/lib/tftpboot |
| 21:18.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | No such file or directory |
| 21:18.28 | ompaul | r0ck_: apt-cache search gnome- |
| 21:18.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | When I look inside the folder /usr/lib/syslinux/ there are a bunch of efi files |
| 21:19.07 | ompaul | r0ck_: you look at that and decide what you want to install |
| 21:19.18 | ompaul | !dontbreakdebian |
| 21:19.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 21:19.27 | jmcnaught | r0ck_: there's a gnome tweak tool aka advanced settings that lets you configure fonts |
| 21:19.37 | r0ck_ | yea, I am using it right now |
| 21:19.43 | r0ck_ | still, have to adapt to this |
| 21:19.49 | r0ck_ | but looks really beautiful |
| 21:20.31 | ompaul | r0ck_: you can choose many fonts, and you can also look at all the available possible things that are core to gnome with that last command |
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| 21:20.51 | ompaul | beyond core |
| 21:20.56 | ompaul | gives up on typing |
| 21:21.44 | r0ck_ | I installed everything with package dnime |
| 21:21.48 | r0ck_ | gnome, sorry ;) |
| 21:21.59 | TyrfingMjolnir | How can I install netboot from isos? |
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| 21:23.51 | ompaul | TyrfingMjolnir: provide a network connection |
| 21:24.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | ? |
| 21:25.11 | ompaul | you throw the cd in the cd/dvd player hook the box up to the internet and away you go |
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| 21:31.23 | TomTomTosch | TyrfingMjolnir, you want to install debian using network booting? |
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| 21:33.10 | TomTomTosch | https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
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| 21:33.17 | ompaul | TomTomTosch: actually in ##networking the setyup is anything but trivial |
| 21:33.57 | fluxtendu | hello, with systemd, could I still use something like "/etc/udev/rules.d/81-vpn-firewall.rules " to launch a script each time VPN status change? |
| 21:34.21 | ompaul | are there still i386 disks? |
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| 21:38.49 | KakuRoze | How to update from Debian Version 3.4.2 to newest? |
| 21:39.12 | abrotman | You're not running 3.4.2 |
| 21:39.47 | KakuRoze | System -> Details -> Overview says 3.4.2 |
| 21:40.03 | Akuw | hi, i can't use my mail address because everytime i enable it i get lot of spam mails from that own address and my hosting provider block my account |
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| 21:40.43 | abrotman | KakuRoze: that's not your Debian version |
| 21:41.06 | abrotman | KakuRoze: what's in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 21:42.05 | KakuRoze | wheezy |
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| 21:43.05 | KakuRoze | or, full line: deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib |
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| 21:43.25 | mvx87 | i had mounted 3 other servers via sshfs onto my machine temporarily like this: sshfs root@server1.domain.com:/ /mnt/server1.domain.com, sshfs root@server2.domain.com:/ /mnt/server2.domain.com etc - so i was removing certain files from the servers like rm -rf /mnt/server*.domain.com/home/files/[dir] and long story short i accidentally typed rm -rf /mnt/server*.domain.com/ but i quickly ctrl+c'd |
| 21:43.26 | mvx87 | so only a second went by. i ran debsums command on all 3 servers and every package came back ok and no files were missing from any system packages.. the only thing i found (from my own manual searching/checking) was that on server1.domain.com /lost+found was missing so i recreated that.. ive got a backup of all 3 servers, but i went ahead and rebooted server1.domain.com and it came back up with |
| 21:43.26 | mvx87 | no issues. i know it was foolish of me to even mount it as root or do any of this, and it wont happen again but: my question is, should i just be satisfied ? or should i reinstall the box. the command only ran for like a split second.. and it was over sshfs / wan / internet so it seems like nothing much had the chacne to actually be removed.. i mean if the system came back up from a reboot then |
| 21:43.26 | mvx87 | it should be fine right? or what would you do |
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| 21:44.24 | mvx87 | my question / situation : http://paste.debian.net/plain/414650 |
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| 21:47.22 | TyrfingMjolnir | TomTomTosch: Ideally I would like to have debian, and architect linux installer images both hosted on a debian box |
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| 21:48.21 | jmcnaught | mvx87: unfortunately it's really hard for anyone here to know what actually got deleted. |
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| 21:49.38 | TomTomTosch | fsck could help. it would recreate lost+found if it's missing and fill it (possibly) |
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| 21:50.19 | frikinz | reminds me when I did a bind mount of / and did an rm -rf * . it actually deletes alphabetically :) So I rebuilt /bin /boot and /etc .. |
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| 21:53.05 | mvx87 | jmcnaught: no i get that, but if debsums reported that all the packages are OK and no files are missing from installed packages, and i rebooted the system and it came back up.. what would you do ? be satisfied or, still be paranoid and reinstall the OS anyway |
| 21:53.20 | frikinz | mvx87: debsums -a ? |
| 21:54.09 | mvx87 | frikinz: everything came back fine, the only FAILED i got were on config files that i modified in the past |
| 21:54.32 | KakuRoze | Um..... I just ran apt-get upgrade and now when I login, debian throws a "Oh no! something went wrong" in my face and logs out |
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| 21:54.47 | mvx87 | TomTomTosch: the only thing i noticed was /lost+found missing on server1 so i recreated it mklost+found and i rebooted the server and it came back up |
| 21:54.58 | mvx87 | TomTomTosch: so im just wondering if i should still be paranoid or just be satisfied |
| 21:55.01 | ikonia | mvx87: are you running debian or ubuntu |
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| 21:55.38 | TomTomTosch | TyrfingMjolnir, well, the link i sent you does that. you'd have to setup the dhcp server that points to a tftp server that provides the boot image. it's a lot of work not sure you want to do that. |
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| 22:08.40 | kas | hi guys, I am trying to install libvirt-bin but its not available anymore. Its replaced by libvirt-daemon I guess? |
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| 22:09.49 | markybob | ,v libvirt-bin |
| 22:09.50 | judd | Package: libvirt-bin on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 0.8.3-5+squeeze5; squeeze: 0.8.3-5+squeeze5; squeeze-backports: 0.9.12-11~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.2.9-9~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2.9-9+deb8u1 |
| 22:10.44 | kas | ? |
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| 22:11.20 | kas | I have stretch/sid and apt does not find libvirt-bin |
| 22:11.32 | markybob | kas i don't know why judd didn't list sid. it's there. https://packages.debian.org/sid/libvirt-bin |
| 22:12.15 | markybob | kas: and testing/sid isn't supported here per /topic. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:12.52 | kas | markybob: ok, but why doesnt my debian find it? |
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| 22:16.14 | TomTomTosch | judd doesn't show it because it's not amd64. |
| 22:16.37 | abrotman | chagne arch |
| 22:16.51 | abrotman | judd: versions libvirt-bin --arch i386 |
| 22:16.52 | judd | Package: libvirt-bin on i386 -- squeeze-security: 0.8.3-5+squeeze5; squeeze: 0.8.3-5+squeeze5; squeeze-backports: 0.9.12-11~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.2.9-9~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2.9-9+deb8u1 |
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| 22:18.16 | TomTomTosch | i can only see unofficial ports listed for the one in sid. |
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| 22:19.47 | kas | ok |
| 22:20.25 | TomTomTosch | and i don't think the sparc64 one will help you much :P |
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| 22:21.45 | kas | TomTomTosch: nope, can I fix this? |
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| 22:22.31 | TomTomTosch | don't know, i only run debian stable. |
| 22:23.32 | Devastator | where can I find dpkg-gencontrol? I was building the kernel with make deb-pkg and it failed to find dpkg-gencontrol, is there a list of dependencies I need to install before make deb-pkg? |
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| 22:24.01 | jmcnaught | kas: on jessie libvirt-bin is a transitional package that depends on libvirt-daemon-system. It could be that the transitional package was removed in stretch. For problems that are new in testing you'll get better support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:25.03 | kas | ok I'll try |
| 22:26.17 | leafwiz__ | Hello, where can I file a constructive complaint against Debian using systemd ? |
| 22:26.41 | cra1g321 | a guy named trump handles those complaints |
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| 22:33.10 | jmcnaught | leafwiz__: are you aware that you don't have to use systemd in Debian? There probably isn't a place for complaints considering it was already extensively discussed and a decision was made |
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| 22:33.32 | r0ck_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:35.08 | TomTomTosch | i'm still puzzled by how often this topic comes up. |
| 22:35.38 | jmcnaught | especially with how awesome systemd is |
| 22:36.02 | r6ku | got any links to those discussions? I still don't know what the uproar was about |
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| 22:37.19 | jmcnaught | r6ku: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd and also on mailing lists if you search around |
| 22:38.14 | ezri | and https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem in general |
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| 22:38.31 | r6ku | cheers |
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| 22:40.15 | leafwiz__ | jmcnaught: Cool, but it is still on my default. I really do not like systemd due to a range of topics. See -> http://judecnelson.blogspot.no/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html |
| 22:40.25 | dav1d | Hey, I have Debian Jessie installed and need to update java from 7 to 8, I found this page: https://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage - which is confusing me ... so I need to install java-package and make my own java 8 jdk/jre? |
| 22:40.47 | cra1g321 | dav1d 8 is in the backports |
| 22:40.56 | dav1d | cra1g321: thanks |
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| 22:45.24 | jmcnaught | leafwiz__: fair enough, there is a way to install sysvinit at install time: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd |
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| 22:45.49 | Durbinator | Hi guys, is there a cinnamon specific channel? |
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| 22:46.21 | dav1d | `sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install "openjdk-8" ` should work, right? - It doesn't find the package, apt-get update shows the backports mirror ... |
| 22:46.59 | cra1g321 | dav1d you might just need openjdk-8-jre |
| 22:47.01 | jmcnaught | leafwiz__: heh.. your anti-systemd blog doesn't display content without javascript which offends me as a veteran something something :P |
| 22:47.08 | frikinz | oho https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=systemd+sysvinit&show_installed=on&want_legend=on&want_ticks=on&from_date=2016-01-01&to_date=2016-03-11&hlght_date=&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1 |
| 22:47.11 | somiaj | dav1d: think you have to specific -jre or -jdk, try 'apt-cache search openjdk-8' and see what you find |
| 22:47.19 | Durbinator | i'm trying to change the lock screen on jessie running cinnamon. I can disable the lock screen in cinnamon but what would I replace it with? |
| 22:47.43 | leafwiz__ | jmcnaught: yeah.. Some irony there. |
| 22:47.45 | dav1d | cra1g321, somiaj: that's it ... I was only looking through the uploaded list .. not the actual names .. Thanks! |
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| 22:50.14 | TomTomTosch | Durbinator, whatever you like. i use xscreensaver on everything because i like the fancy animations. |
| 22:51.00 | Durbinator | yeah, i'm trying to get xscreensaver to kick in (substrate specifically) on a key combination, or after a timeout |
| 22:51.10 | Durbinator | actually, i think i might be able to sort that out |
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| 22:51.48 | TomTomTosch | flying toasters ftw. |
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| 22:53.49 | Durbinator | TomTomTosch: thats a classic, but i prefer substrate :) |
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| 22:55.03 | Durbinator | i can disable the ctrl+alt+l lock on cinnamon using gsettings, but any idea how I'd bind it to xscreensaver. I suspect the shortcut is still owned by cinnamon just without an action attached |
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| 22:56.09 | dav1d | ok, restarted the server (was due anyways), set the preference to java 8 and it is working, thanks again! |
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| 22:57.01 | streulma | can I upgrade testing to sid ? |
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| 22:57.47 | markybob | streulma: if you want. it's not supported here per /topic. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:57.56 | Durbinator | i suppose what I'm trying to find out is what is actually launched on ctrl+alt+l and how to point that to xscreensaver |
| 22:58.05 | streulma | I must have an invite for debian-next |
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| 22:58.22 | markybob | streulma: no, you're just on the wrong network. not freenode. oftc |
| 22:58.42 | jmcnaught | streulma: when you get to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (not freenode) there are some links in the topic you'll want to read, but yes it can be done |
| 22:59.05 | streulma | ah ok, I tried freenode, thanks |
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| 23:03.42 | anonymus2205 | hi,cant fined linux-image-openvz-amd64 |
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| 23:05.38 | leafwiz__ | But again, I would like to send a complaint about Debian using systemd as a default and thus "windowzifying" the Debian enviroment. Which mailing list is recommended? |
| 23:07.42 | jmcnaught | ,v linux-image-openvz-amd64 |
| 23:07.43 | judd | Package: linux-image-openvz-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29 |
| 23:07.58 | jmcnaught | anonymus2205: it doesn't exist in the two most recent releases |
| 23:09.46 | anonymus2205 | so i can't construct vps service provider |
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| 23:11.16 | jmcnaught | anonymus2205: not with openvz in a stock Debian system. There is lxc, xen, kvm available in Debian. Or if you need openvz there are probably third party options (with third-party support, not in #debian) |
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| 23:13.18 | jmcnaught | leafwiz__: i'm hesitant to recommend any mailing list because i doubt that debian developers are very interested in hearing systemd complaints at this point (you're not the first). however the mailing lists are all listed on the debian website |
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| 23:16.10 | jmcnaught | leafwiz__: flexibility and choice are some of Debian's greatests strengths, so having the choice of systemd or another init system is not bad IMHO. Maybe if you spent some time with systemd and got to know it you would like it better? |
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| 23:22.39 | TomTomTosch | also two years late for it to be constructive. |
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| 23:53.33 | leafwiz__ | jmcnaught: Well, sure. First of, I don't want to start a discussion. It's just that systemd goes against fundamental UNIX philosophy. The same philosophy that made Linux and BSD enviroments great. Example: It has a large codebase. "If systemd fails to act on a valid parameter of a unit file, however, the user must debug systemd's C code to find out why." There is a reason why "Do one thing, do it well" i |
| 23:53.40 | leafwiz__ | s a practice. Or used to be.. This is just one of many ways systemd goes, in my view, against the UNIX way. It is setting a bad example for how things should be done. It is also hard to get away from. And this is why I ,and many others are still complaining about it. It seems to represents a major shift in how software is developed in the OO scene. Which i'm less fond of.. |
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