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| 00:00.39 | relipse | I would like to upgrade to php 5.6.19 (my squeeze box is on 5.3), how can I do this? |
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| 00:00.53 | relipse | do I need to recompile php on my debian box or something? |
| 00:01.22 | jmcnaught | relipse: recompiling php is not the Debian way. You need to upgrade to wheezy, and then to jessie |
| 00:01.44 | jmcnaught | relipse: squeeze is completely unsupported at this point, even squeeze-lts is done |
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| 00:03.49 | relipse | jmcnaught: why upgrade to wheezy first? |
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| 00:04.33 | relipse | what do I have to lose i i upgrade to wheezy? |
| 00:04.49 | jmcnaught | relipse: because skipping a release is not supported. since this is a server you'll definitely want to read the release notes for each upgrade |
| 00:05.21 | wpostma | I sure wouldn't run an UNPATCHED (and unpatchable) wheezy box that has any internet facing ports. |
| 00:06.11 | wpostma | I meant to say Squeeze |
| 00:07.19 | relipse | i don't know jack about upgrading |
| 00:07.24 | TomTomTosch | i mean, some like to live on the edge :P https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/openssl |
| 00:07.27 | relipse | and I have websites, will they go down? |
| 00:08.10 | jmcnaught | even running wheezy with php might be sketchy, the version of php in wheezy is EOL upstream, so the only security updates are those backported by debian developers (and soon only the ones that work on LTS) |
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| 00:08.24 | TomTomTosch | relipse, you should, as jmcnaught said, read the release notes. it has instructions on how to upgrade and info about popular services. |
| 00:08.25 | Hello71 | if you need to ask that question, then your websites won't stay up anyways |
| 00:08.29 | wpostma | It's not likely that it will break when you upgrade distros. Nobody will be able to say for sure. Read the release notes. |
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| 00:09.25 | jmcnaught | relipse: there will be at least one reboot per upgrade. also you want to make sure you have backups and they can be restored. for wheezy->jessie there are apache configuration changes to be aware of, and some php issues too i think (which are listed in the release notes) |
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| 00:12.15 | TomTomTosch | tl;dr RTFM :P |
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| 00:15.49 | relipse | i dont know jack about anything |
| 00:15.53 | relipse | i need a professional |
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| 00:16.43 | TomTomTosch | relipse, then you either pay for one or read https://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/amd64/release-notes/ |
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| 00:18.27 | TomTomTosch | relipse, chapter 4 and following will probably be interesting for you. |
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| 00:19.50 | TomTomTosch | relipse, if you have questions or problems during the upgrade you can ask here, but pleas try to read the docs first. |
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| 00:21.56 | relipse | i say forget it all |
| 00:21.59 | relipse | i'm going to see a movie |
| 00:22.06 | relipse | drown out my worries |
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| 00:22.14 | relipse | later :) |
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| 00:26.44 | TomTomTosch | is it really that bad reading a few pages? |
| 00:27.06 | TomTomTosch | it's rather concise me thinks... |
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| 00:28.19 | gabboman | Hi, I need some help catching a kernel "panic" or halt |
| 00:28.52 | gabboman | tldr: with newer kernels (4.X) my system sudenly stops, and nothing in the logs. It never happends with 3.16 |
| 00:29.13 | gabboman | I'm kinda obsessed with this |
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| 00:30.06 | TomTomTosch | what's the reason you want the newer kernel and how did you install it? |
| 00:31.01 | gabboman | I would like to use debian testing or fedora or even arch. Those use newer kernels |
| 00:31.20 | gabboman | It happend with those distros, and also when I compilled it myself |
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| 00:32.39 | TomTomTosch | testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net anyway, good luck. |
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| 00:33.39 | gabboman | it's a kernel problem I think. Where should I go? |
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| 00:34.51 | TomTomTosch | #linux is also an option. |
| 00:34.52 | Devastator | gabboman you can use the kernel in backports, it is currently 4.3.0 |
| 00:35.45 | gabboman | Devastator, random halts too |
| 00:36.12 | Devastator | gabboman if you have logs, you can try #kernel |
| 00:37.33 | gabboman | I haven't them :( but will go there |
| 00:37.34 | gabboman | thanks |
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| 01:08.29 | f31n1 | i just don't get it, when i send a mail from cli cat /path/to/anyfile | mail -s "testemail" email@domain.tld -> it's working perfectly |
| 01:08.52 | f31n1 | if i'm doing that from crontab it's not taking my emailadress correctly? |
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| 01:30.55 | debididi | "Farewell, Iceweasel" ? |
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| 01:35.35 | abrotman | debididi: what about it? |
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| 01:44.41 | MrBanan | Hello. I wanted to spare the health of the SD card on my pi. I added tmpfs partitions to fstab on my pi. 100M for my /var/log/ but now my network card eth0 will not work and I get loads of error i dmesg. http://pastebin.com/J20kA50u |
| 01:44.47 | debididi | abrotman: just trying to find more about the switch/revert. The wiki page doesn't mention anything about it but there's probably something in the mailing lists so maybe someone here can point me in the right direction |
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| 01:46.44 | debididi | There isn't much immediately obvious from a simple google search |
| 01:47.03 | MrBanan | Any tips on troubleshooting this? |
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| 01:48.25 | MrBanan | It seems to me that all of the needed partitions are there, and they all have space available. |
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| 01:51.48 | wpostma | The rename of IceWeasel BACK to Firefox has already hit Sid hasn't it? |
| 01:53.33 | debididi | wpostma: yes, now iceweasel is just a dependency on firefox-esr |
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| 01:54.50 | abrotman | debididi: which version of Debian are you on? |
| 01:55.05 | debididi | sid |
| 01:55.34 | abrotman | has it been accepted yet? |
| 01:55.56 | MrBanan | Umm.. how do you reboot a system over ssh, when reboot or shutdown -r command does not work? "Failed to talk to init daemon." |
| 01:56.11 | abrotman | so it says anyway |
| 01:56.25 | abrotman | MrBanan: reboot -d -n now |
| 01:56.29 | abrotman | thinks that's right |
| 01:56.45 | abrotman | sorry, -d -f |
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| 01:57.41 | MrBanan | abrotman, thanks |
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| 02:00.34 | N3X15 | Well, here's a riddle for you. I moved the hard drives, motherboard, and raid card of a Debian server into a new chassis, taking care to label and trace HDDs before removing them. Now, despite having completely reinstalled GRUB via rescue disk, all I get is Operating system not found. OS disk is /dev/sde. |
| 02:00.52 | debididi | MrBanan: when processes open log files to append but the directory structure is empty due to a freshly mounted tmpfs, can that be an issue? |
| 02:01.19 | N3X15 | Literally all that changed, hardware-wise, is a different hard drive backplane and a new PSU |
| 02:02.27 | MrBanan | debididi , maybe. Seemed strange. Not a space issue on /var/log, uses under 2 MB now |
| 02:05.13 | MrBanan | also strange that my eth0 wouldn't start. I had to manually configure it with ifconfig |
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| 02:07.21 | debididi | MrBanan: but what I'm saying is, suppose a process 'SoftwarePkg' tries to open a /var/log/SoftwarePkg/logfile but there's no such directory /var/log/SoftwarePkg becase when tmpfs is mounted it's an empty directory structure isn't it so instead it fails. |
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| 02:08.30 | debididi | MrBanan: what do you normally use to bring up eth0, ifupdown ? |
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| 02:09.59 | debididi | Neer ? |
| 02:10.15 | debididi | NetworkManager ? |
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| 02:12.00 | debididi | whatever you are using try to run it from command line with verbose output to see what specifically fails. Hope this helps |
| 02:13.09 | MrBanan | debididi normally it is enabled by booting the pi. or ifup eth0 . Sure, I see what you say about the dir structure. Can be. Just that /var/log was populated by other files. So at somepoint it was available. |
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| 02:15.31 | MrBanan | http://pastebin.com/J20kA50u |
| 02:15.47 | MrBanan | That is the output from dmesg when I was running the tmpfs |
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| 02:25.26 | N3X15 | Okay, after running installer in rescue mode, disk is mountable, but not bootable. |
| 02:25.53 | N3X15 | Any ideas? |
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| 02:29.07 | N3X15 | Or is there a better venue for this issue? |
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| 03:02.17 | jmcnaught | N3X15: it's just a quiet weekend here i guess. i don't really have any experience with hardware RAID. GRUB and /boot are on the RAID, there isn't a separate boot device? |
| 03:02.31 | bigMouthCommie | i am having an issue where my terminal won't feed lines properly. it truncates and carries and waits for input (return will continue to feed lines) the problem is most pronounced with aa3d (an ascii art demo package). i was told it might have to do with my TERM env variable, but i don't really understand what that means, what setting is wrong, or how to fix it. tried in tilda, gnome-terminal and tty |
| 03:02.39 | N3X15 | The boot disk isn't RAID at all |
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| 03:03.12 | bigMouthCommie | (i asked in the emacs room. and bash. and my main os's support channel. it's a debian deriv, so i assume that most of it will carry over) |
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| 03:06.33 | jmcnaught | N3X15: oh. and your issue is the system cannot find the boot disk? |
| 03:06.54 | N3X15 | Yep |
| 03:07.12 | jmcnaught | bigMouthCommie: only Debian is supported here, not derivatives. Best just to be patient in your distro's channel. |
| 03:07.13 | N3X15 | It's mountable, the partition table is readable. |
| 03:07.48 | jmcnaught | N3X15: and your BIOS is set to boot from that drive of course? |
| 03:08.07 | bigMouthCommie | thx jmcnaught |
| 03:08.27 | N3X15 | jmcnaught, Yep, just checked. Unfortunately, the system overheated so I can't work on it until it cools down |
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| 03:08.37 | N3X15 | I'll try again tomorrow |
| 03:09.03 | jmcnaught | N3X15: good luck then. sucks about the overheating :/ |
| 03:10.27 | Bert_2_ | Hi, I'm installing a new server with jessie and wanted to do mod_proxy_fcgi. Now for some reason the panel I use really want to have mod_fastcgi for that, not sure why it's need, so I ground my teeth and enabled non-free. Now for some reason I can't get the package to install. Some people have the same issue but others don't. Does anyone have an advice? Here's some more info: http://pastebin.com/MsPzZmXj |
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| 03:14.54 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: it sounds like the panel you want to use only knows how to use mod_fastcgi not the new mod_proxy_fcgi. Is the panel necessary? How was it installed? |
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| 03:15.24 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: if you "/msg dpkg bat" the bot will recommend some troubleshooting info you can paste for further assistance |
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| 03:17.49 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: Well, that's the weird thing, it has a toggle for mod_proxy_fcgi, but for some reason it doesn't seem to generate the sockets, and I'm not sure why |
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| 03:18.11 | Bert_2_ | The panel is necessary because I have nooby friends who will be migrating from my old VPS to this one |
| 03:18.12 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: my experience with panels is that they're all garbage |
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| 03:18.40 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: Froxlor is bearable ;) |
| 03:19.06 | Bert_2_ | but you won't hear me rave about any panel |
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| 03:19.46 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: i've spun up a fresh jessie container, installed apache2, about to install libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
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| 03:20.18 | deznuts | Hi |
| 03:20.40 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: it worked for me, so it's probably something non-standard on your system. Can you put the info from dpkg's <bat> factoid on https://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 03:22.00 | deznuts | I tried to install the nvidia package on the Debian steam wiki and it won't boot. I have a shell in the recovery CD. What do I do? |
| 03:22.23 | cra1g321 | deznuts did you create the xorg file ? |
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| 03:23.09 | deznuts | Already purged it. Used an automated program to do it. Deleted the xorg file too. |
| 03:23.20 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/414690/ if you need policy data from more apache packages I can of course supply them |
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| 03:25.25 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: I presume there's some conflict with an already installed apache package (incorrect dependency of some kind), or at least that's my best guess |
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| 03:29.59 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: i suspect the froxlor repo to be honest. what happens if you comment it out, apt-get update, and reinstall fastcgi? |
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| 03:31.38 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: good idea, didn't think of that, let me try |
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| 03:32.29 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: I'm afraid it yields the same issue |
| 03:32.35 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: i don't know if that will work since it seems like the problem is happening in the postinst script of the fastcgi package, so it's probably conflicting with something already installed |
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| 03:33.16 | Bert_2_ | Yeah, I think so too, I was hoping there was a way to make it output what file or operation it's conflicting with at that point |
| 03:33.21 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: ^ |
| 03:33.28 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: with the froxlor repo still commented out, does "aptitude search ~o" list any obsolete packages? |
| 03:34.08 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: froxlor itself, and a manually installed version of libnss-mysql-bg |
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| 03:34.22 | Bert_2_ | (I for some reason needed .4 which is not in the jessie repo yet) |
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| 03:37.39 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: if you run 'aptitude search -F "%p %t" froxlor' what does it say in the second column? stable? |
| 03:38.37 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: if it says something else then we can use that to try and locate other packages that might have come from the froxlor repo instead of Debian |
| 03:38.42 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: it just returns the world froxlor, nothing else |
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| 03:40.02 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: all these apache packages are installed: apache2 apache2-bin apache2-data apache2-mpm-event apache2-suexec-custom apache2-utils libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 03:42.29 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: this might help you: aptitude search '!~Astable~i' |
| 03:42.50 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: it should show installed packages not from the stable archive |
| 03:43.00 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: again only returns froxlor and libnss-mysql-bg |
| 03:43.21 | Bert_2_ | I mean, I can remove libnss-mysql-bg, but I'd be surprised if that was it :S |
| 03:43.26 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: if you purge those, can you install the fastcgi package? |
| 03:43.31 | Bert_2_ | I can try :P |
| 03:43.36 | Bert_2_ | but let me then snapshot the VM first |
| 03:43.44 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: remove or purge? |
| 03:43.56 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: try remove first i guess |
| 03:44.52 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: if that works, i'd be worried about froxlor breaking stuff in the future |
| 03:45.26 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: well, I have a working installation here on this server, but that one's still running squeeze |
| 03:45.38 | Bert_2_ | mod_proxy_fcgi support might still be experimental, I'm not completely sure |
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| 03:49.36 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: after purging those two packages the problem still remains |
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| 03:51.32 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: that sucks. since it's a VM, is it fairly easy for you to make a new VM and see if you can install fastcgi on it (before installing anything else)? |
| 03:52.07 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: yeah, I'm now on a snapshot, trying to throw away everything from apache2 and seeing what happens |
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| 03:52.59 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: if I let it install without apache2 installed (so just apache2-bin), then it's happy |
| 03:53.03 | Bert_2_ | sounds like a bug to me |
| 03:53.10 | Bert_2_ | can you try and replicate? |
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| 03:54.20 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: when i did it on my container, i installed apache2 first, then libapache2-mod-fastcgi with no problem |
| 03:54.23 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/414694/ |
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| 03:54.37 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: have a look at my paste, it's really weird |
| 03:55.16 | Bert_2_ | I really can't explain what's going on |
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| 03:58.16 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: i purged and then installed libapache2-mod-fastcgi, it installs for me no problem. |
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| 03:58.44 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: oh my, that's very very weird |
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| 04:00.00 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: got it! |
| 04:00.16 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: found the problem? |
| 04:00.21 | Bert_2_ | /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/fastcgi.conf existed |
| 04:00.27 | Bert_2_ | and for some reason that was a problem |
| 04:00.52 | Bert_2_ | and you're going to like this: the panel probably created it :P |
| 04:01.05 | Bert_2_ | damn panels at it again xD |
| 04:01.10 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: ^ |
| 04:02.16 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: hmm... i'm glad you figured it out. i had just been lookng at libapache2-mod-fastcgi.postinst and it seems pretty simple, i'm kinda surprised it failed if the mod .conf is already in mods-enabled |
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| 04:02.57 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: anyways.. hopefully one day we won't need panels anymore because everyone will know shell or ansible or something... one day. |
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| 04:04.51 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: yeah, it's weird that that is a problem, seems bad practise to be fair |
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| 04:05.16 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: there will always be noobs who need hosting, I just hope I won't have to deal with that in the future ;) |
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| 04:12.07 | Bert_2_ | jmcnaught: found a few more semi-documented settings, things are fine now, thanks a ton, now I can finally go to bed ;) |
| 04:14.47 | jmcnaught | Bert_2_: you're welcome, have a good one :) |
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| 04:50.30 | deznuts | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/z13SJUNL/irccloudcapture1457950233.jpg |
| 04:50.52 | sveta | hi, ``unknown group "smmsp" in file statoverride`` error when installing any new package, what can i do about it please ? |
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| 04:53.20 | jmcnaught | sveta: does it list anything about it in "dpkg-statoverride --list" ? |
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| 04:54.22 | jmcnaught | sveta: do you have sendmail installed, or did at one point perhaps? |
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| 04:55.36 | sveta | http://paste.debian.net/414696 |
| 04:55.54 | sveta | yes, i may have had sendmail installed in the past |
| 04:57.10 | jmcnaught | sveta: but now you have a different MTA installed? |
| 04:57.32 | sveta | no idea whether i do or not; it's a laptop so i might have get rid of it entirely because i understood it's a pain to configure |
| 04:58.01 | sveta | there was some thing which pretends to be a sendmail but actually takes mail to the gmail servers, so i probably still have that, but i don't remember its name |
| 04:58.13 | jmcnaught | sveta: it's "dpkg-statoverride --remove [path]" to remove a statoverride, see the man page if you want more details. Before doing that I'd make sure sendmail isn't still installed |
| 04:58.35 | sveta | program sendmail isn't installed; give me a few minutes please |
| 04:59.07 | jmcnaught | sveta: okay, this command will list installed MTA package: aptitude search ~i~Pmail-transport-agent |
| 04:59.40 | sveta | i'm waiting for `dpkg -S <the path dpkg listed in the paste i sent>` to finish |
| 04:59.55 | sveta | it returned nothing, so i'm now running your last one |
| 05:00.35 | sveta | your last onw also returned nothing jmcnaught |
| 05:00.37 | sveta | one, too |
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| 05:03.00 | sveta | i ran the dpkg-statoverride remove command you gave above twice, on the two paths, and i think installing new packages works now and no longer gives that error |
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| 05:03.19 | jmcnaught | sveta: that's interesting, i thought it was mandatory to have one of the packages that provides mail-transport-agent |
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| 05:04.47 | jmcnaught | sveta: you probably have some sort of nullmailer script that provides the "sendmail" command and connects to a remote SMTP or something, but it's strange that it's not installed from a package like msmtp-mta or nullmailer |
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| 05:05.29 | jmcnaught | sveta: anyways.. you probably have some other non-standard stuff going on but i guess you can worry about it when you want to :) |
| 05:05.33 | sveta | i tried a nullmailer and it worked, but i don't remember which, and whether i keep it or not |
| 05:05.41 | sveta | i'll reboot now to test something i installed; again thanks (you can ping svetlana here if you've got more ideas about this, it's my alt nick) |
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| 05:17.01 | kay | hi folks - i am trying to reduce the size of my debian install - how can i remove locales that I don't need? |
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| 05:22.16 | jmcnaught | Guest3393: there used to be instructions on the Debian Wiki for this, but it seems they've been removed. You'll probably only save around 15MB though, is it worth it? |
| 05:24.21 | dvs | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:24.23 | dvs | ? |
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| 05:25.02 | Guest3393 | oh it takes up 600mb on my machine |
| 05:25.19 | jmcnaught | Guest3393: where? |
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| 05:25.51 | Guest3393 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:33.09 | jmcnaught | Guest3393: i see, i was looking in the wrong place in /usr/share/i18n. Still I don't think removing stuff from /usr/share/locale is a good idea since the files there are owned by so many different packages |
| 05:33.23 | sveta | running out of space ? |
| 05:33.30 | Guest3393 | ah, fair enough |
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| 05:34.08 | sveta | i run `ncdu' when running out of space |
| 05:34.53 | Guest3393 | well I made a 8gb and didn't realize how quickly it would fill up |
| 05:35.00 | Guest3393 | 8gb vm |
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| 05:35.22 | dvs | not near enough |
| 05:35.23 | Guest3393 | but I added another disk to it, so i'm ok |
| 05:36.02 | sveta | ncdu is an ncurses interface to `du' |
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| 05:36.17 | sveta | (which is disk usage, and it outputs a list of directories with calculated sizes) |
| 05:36.25 | sveta | i use it on all sorts of folders and directories all the time |
| 05:36.48 | Guest3393 | cool, i'll check it out |
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| 05:37.22 | jmcnaught | Guest3393: there is a localepurge package, its description includes the phrase "not for the faint of heart" along with other strong language |
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| 05:38.39 | jmcnaught | Guest3393: also if you use LVM (instead of just regular partitions) it's fairly easy to add a new drive and use it to expand an existing filesystem |
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| 05:40.01 | Guest3393 | i'll look into that, thanks |
| 05:40.08 | Guest3393 | need to reboot |
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| 06:20.57 | deznuts | My nvidia driver or xorg is preventing me to boot |
| 06:21.14 | deznuts | What do I do on the tty |
| 06:21.46 | markybob | deznuts: which debian version? |
| 06:21.56 | deznuts | Jessie |
| 06:22.01 | markybob | deznuts: how did you install nvidia? |
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| 06:24.31 | deznuts | libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
| 06:24.32 | deznuts | Purged it, installed via nvidia-driver |
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| 06:24.56 | deznuts | Also used nvidia-xconfig |
| 06:26.08 | deznuts | Tried to remove and install nouveau too |
| 06:26.09 | well_laid_lawn | probably need to blacklist the nouveau driver |
| 06:26.17 | deznuts | How |
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| 06:29.47 | deznuts | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9UZDG4jS/irccloudcapture1457950233.jpg |
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| 06:33.30 | jmcnaught | deznuts: what does "apt-cache policy nvidia-driver" say? |
| 06:34.39 | deznuts | That there is no driver installed |
| 06:35.02 | deznuts | Candidate:340.96-1 |
| 06:35.37 | jmcnaught | deznuts: so are you trying to use nouveau at this point? Were you trying a newer driver earlier? |
| 06:36.07 | deznuts | I removed and then reinstalled |
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| 06:36.43 | deznuts | I tried two drivers |
| 06:36.55 | deznuts | And nouveau |
| 06:37.20 | deznuts | Ideally nvidia would be better |
| 06:37.22 | jmcnaught | deznuts: what was the other driver you tried, where was it from? |
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| 06:38.48 | deznuts | libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
| 06:39.00 | deznuts | Steam Debian wiki |
| 06:40.02 | jmcnaught | deznuts: oh that's just a library. if you want to get back to nouveau you probably just need to 1) remove blacklist file in /etc/modprobe.d/ and 2) remove xorg.conf or any file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 06:40.18 | deznuts | OK ty |
| 06:41.50 | jmcnaught | deznuts: the screenshot you shared had an apt-listchanges message from experimental, so i was wondering if you had used expermental, or possibly an nvidia installer from their website (both bad) |
| 06:42.06 | deznuts | Won't there be any changes? |
| 06:42.32 | TyrfingMjolnir | How can I list which files are installed by a package? |
| 06:42.32 | deznuts | My second one was automatically installed |
| 06:42.39 | TyrfingMjolnir | by apt-get, i e |
| 06:42.48 | deznuts | But likely experimental |
| 06:42.55 | deznuts | Given my gpu |
| 06:43.20 | markybob | TyrfingMjolnir: dpkg -L package |
| 06:44.20 | jmcnaught | deznuts: by expermental i mean the debian repo used by developers, not a good thing to add to sources.list, but maybe you tried the backports package which might have that message too |
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| 06:46.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | I'm trying to install PXE/TFTP/syslinux server side, I started here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro#DOS , but O |
| 06:46.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | I'm not able to get passed this: sudo cp /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0 /var/lib/tftpboot |
| 06:46.16 | deznuts | It says on the wiki that it is experimental |
| 06:46.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | I did install this on debian |
| 06:46.48 | deznuts | The package on the backports |
| 06:46.58 | TyrfingMjolnir | and the syslinux-common was said to have the pxelinux.0, but I'm not able to find that file |
| 06:47.08 | jmcnaught | deznuts: you probably also want to remove the nvidia packages. "aptitude search ~i~nnvidia" will list installed packages with nvidia in the name. Most of them probably have an 'A' in the second column, should get removed with "apt-get autoremove" |
| 06:47.23 | TyrfingMjolnir | deznuts: Do you have a better debian HOWTO? |
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| 06:47.44 | jmcnaught | deznuts: which wiki page are you looking at? |
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| 06:49.21 | jmcnaught | deznuts: the word "experimental" is not on the page https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers as far as i can tell. those are good instrutions (ignore any parts about nvidia installers or third party steam repos) |
| 06:49.56 | deznuts | Unstable |
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| 06:50.31 | deznuts | Thought they were the same, and yeah that one |
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| 06:55.01 | deznuts | Ok |
| 06:56.10 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: are you trying to get DOS booting with PXE? |
| 06:56.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
| 06:56.32 | TyrfingMjolnir | At this moment just any |
| 06:56.43 | TyrfingMjolnir | Primary objective is arch and debian net |
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| 06:57.15 | deznuts | Removed everything nvidia and it works |
| 06:57.22 | TyrfingMjolnir | I usually use debian for servers and arch for dev environment |
| 06:57.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | architectiso and debian net install iso, i e |
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| 06:58.08 | deznuts | Which is the best tutorial for installing nvidia drivers? |
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| 07:02.12 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: there is a debian-installer-8-netboot-amd64 package with a pxelinux.0 |
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| 07:03.24 | jmcnaught | deznuts: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers is really. If you want to try it again you can ask questions while you go through it. Did you have working GUI when you first installed? |
| 07:03.43 | deznuts | No |
| 07:04.48 | TyrfingMjolnir | jmcnaught: What is that pxelinux? |
| 07:04.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | Is it the full netboot installer? |
| 07:05.00 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or some reference to? |
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| 07:05.41 | jmcnaught | deznuts: "lspci -nn | grep -i VGA" will give you a line with a number like [10be:5a02]. What is that number? |
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| 07:07.10 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: last i checked that package provides a netboot installer, not just a reference. i pointed my tftp server to it somehow probably following the instructions on PXEBootInstall |
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| 07:08.19 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: there are 10 other packages with pxelinux.0 files in jessie, but i never tried them: apt-file search pxelinux.0 | awk '{ print $1;}' | uniq |
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| 07:21.45 | deznuts | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UvmXhgqM/irccloudcapture566430883.jpg |
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| 07:22.42 | deznuts | jmcnaught: sorry for the delay for some reason hexchat is crashing my computer |
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| 07:24.05 | deznuts | Hmm crashed again. Think it's the VPN software |
| 07:25.03 | jmcnaught | deznuts: please use https://paste.debian.net/ instead of screenshots |
| 07:25.23 | deznuts | Ok |
| 07:26.33 | jmcnaught | deznuts: you look like you're in gnome and have intel GPU, is this the same computer with the nvidia problem? |
| 07:28.14 | deznuts | Yes, it has a nvidia gpu |
| 07:28.27 | deznuts | It's a laptop |
| 07:29.00 | jmcnaught | deznuts: is it optimus? |
| 07:29.34 | deznuts | Optimus? |
| 07:29.41 | jmcnaught | !optimus |
| 07:29.41 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:30.12 | deznuts | I used bumblebee in it once |
| 07:30.15 | jmcnaught | hmm.. it didn't show two lines. that computer has an intel GPU |
| 07:30.24 | deznuts | Successfully |
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| 07:30.54 | dez | whats the paste again? |
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| 07:32.05 | dez | http://paste.debian.net/414721/ |
| 07:32.09 | dez | (im deznuts) |
| 07:33.17 | jmcnaught | deznuts: dez: i still only see one VGA |
| 07:33.45 | deznuts | 3d controller |
| 07:34.32 | deznuts | I think it was in Ubuntu that I used bumblebee |
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| 07:34.44 | deznuts | It worked |
| 07:35.46 | dez | !optimus |
| 07:35.47 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:36.07 | dez | it may have two gpus if i recall correctly |
| 07:36.10 | dez | idk why |
| 07:36.16 | jmcnaught | deznuts: dez: the topic has examples of how to message the bot |
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| 07:36.29 | dez | ok |
| 07:37.01 | jmcnaught | dez: use the instructions on the wiki page ^^ |
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| 07:37.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have successfully followed this HOTWO; how do I add another image? |
| 07:37.12 | dez | i will, thanks |
| 07:37.32 | TyrfingMjolnir | Preforably I would like to make my own from architect iso |
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| 07:41.53 | TyrfingMjolnir | This is the output of ls -lAhR /opt/artifacts: http://termbin.com/9n71 |
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| 08:28.23 | rtrindade1 | hi everyone |
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| 08:29.07 | rtrindade1 | can anyone help me with a little problem with LightDM? |
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| 08:31.21 | phorce1_home | Well that blows. Upgrading a system from 32bit wheezy to 64bit jessie using a fresh install and the dpkg --get-selections method. Forgot to remove the 32bit kernels from the selections file. So, the dselect upgrade promptly installed and used the 32bit kernels and all the 32bit libraries right over my fresh 64bit install. |
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| 08:33.36 | themill | had you added i386 as a foreign arch already? |
| 08:35.10 | phorce1_home | It's telling me I'm running i386 even if I force boot the amd64 kernel. It is currently in enough of a mess that I'll be starting over. |
| 08:35.50 | Fjorgynn | aha |
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| 08:36.31 | themill | phorce1_home: If you didn't add i386 as a foreign arch then it wouldn't have been able to install these packages. It sounds like it's not an amd64 installation at al |
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| 08:36.32 | themill | l |
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| 08:38.16 | phorce1_home | It's not now for sure. I did the initial amd64 install at my office then carried the box home. I'll have to look and see if the install media is in my laptop bag. |
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| 08:39.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | jmcnaught: # du -sh /srv/tftp/ |
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| 08:39.20 | TyrfingMjolnir | 22M/srv/tftp/ |
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| 08:39.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | # du -sh /srv/tftp/ |
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| 08:40.38 | phorce1_home | I always keep / on one drive and /home on another. Major upgrades are done by installing fresh on a new / so I always have the "old machine" to go back to if (when) I break something. |
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| 08:40.47 | Fjorgynn | aha |
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| 08:41.12 | Fjorgynn | phorce1_home: but do you have a large / for software then? |
| 08:42.23 | phorce1_home | this is my home machine and I'm using retired 250GB drives for /. 80GB is usually plenty though. |
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| 08:42.42 | Fjorgynn | not ssd? |
| 08:42.58 | jusss | is there bootstrap.tar.gz for debian? not debootstrap |
| 08:43.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | jusss: What would that do? |
| 08:43.26 | jusss | TyrfingMjolnir: debootstrap is deb file |
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| 08:43.52 | jusss | TyrfingMjolnir: if I'm on archlinux, I don't know how to do with deb file |
| 08:44.03 | TyrfingMjolnir | Oh |
| 08:44.10 | themill | jusss: you can use debootstrap from any unix |
| 08:44.12 | phorce1_home | Fjorgynn: I'm generally only on this machine a couple of days/week. And I don't game. It's cobbled together from spare parts. |
| 08:44.16 | TyrfingMjolnir | There is https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/releases/download/v3.3.6/bootstrap-3.3.6-dist.zip but that's a totally different beast |
| 08:44.45 | jusss | themill: how? |
| 08:44.47 | TyrfingMjolnir | jusss: on arch there is pacstrap, for making more arch linuxes |
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| 08:44.59 | TyrfingMjolnir | jusss: download debootstrap and compile from source |
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| 08:45.17 | jusss | TyrfingMjolnir: ... |
| 08:45.31 | themill | jusss: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/debootstrap/ |
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| 08:45.54 | themill | but debootstrap is just a shell script; there's nothing to compile. |
| 08:46.12 | TyrfingMjolnir | jusss: yaourt -S debootstrap |
| 08:46.48 | phorce1_home | Fjorgynn: I only started this upgrade because I had to replace the motherboard due to a cap failure. I figured I'd do a few other things (like dig through the "used parts" boxes for a new install drive) while I had it in the office. |
| 08:46.59 | jusss | themill: ok, archlinux provide bootstrap.tar.gz, and why debian don't provide, I think that's more better than debootstrap |
| 08:47.05 | Fjorgynn | aha |
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| 08:47.25 | bitch_ass | Hi! |
| 08:47.26 | themill | jusss: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apds03.html.en |
| 08:47.36 | bitch_ass | Why does it take too long for Nautilus to pop up? |
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| 08:48.39 | Fjorgynn | dunno |
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| 08:50.17 | phorce1_home | bitch_ass: if you have created "links" to drives in the left hand pane and those drives are not there it will spend some time looking for them. Mine goes very slow when my NFS mounted NAS has failed to moount for any reason. |
| 08:51.17 | jusss | themill: so debootstarp is just a shell script? and where I can get it |
| 08:51.39 | TyrfingMjolnir | I would like to have multiple ISOs available for booting |
| 08:51.42 | TyrfingMjolnir | memtest |
| 08:51.48 | TyrfingMjolnir | recovery, etc |
| 08:51.53 | TyrfingMjolnir | Using PXE |
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| 08:53.15 | bitch_ass | phorce1_home: Ah |
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| 08:58.45 | themill | jusss: from the 2 links I've given you |
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| 09:15.13 | wewlad | hello debs, I just read the news that debian plans to remove iceweasel in favor of firefox. why? |
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| 09:15.36 | wewlad | don't do that, that's wrong! |
| 09:15.40 | jusss | themill: I've download debootstrap.deb from packages.debian.org and now I decompress it and get data.tar.gz, so I should decompress data.tar.gz and run `env /=./ debootstrap xxx` ? |
| 09:15.56 | SynrG | wewlad: the name changes. nothing else. |
| 09:15.56 | themill | jusss: follow the documentation |
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| 09:16.13 | SynrG | wewlad: there was never any other reason |
| 09:16.18 | wewlad | SynrG: what about DRM, Pocket and other crapware? |
| 09:16.20 | jusss | this way https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apds03.html.en you mean? |
| 09:16.29 | SynrG | wewlad: this is about one issue *only* ... trademark |
| 09:16.49 | SynrG | wewlad: and all that has been discussed on the mailing lists anyway. don't worry. and read up. |
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| 09:17.42 | wewlad | SynrG: mailing lists? oh, that's some ancient technology I always failed to make good use of. |
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| 09:18.15 | SynrG | wewlad: well, if you just hear second and third hand about things, no wonder you're panicking |
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| 09:18.27 | SynrG | best to hear it strate from the source |
| 09:18.32 | SynrG | straight* |
| 09:18.43 | wewlad | SynrG: I just opened my iceweasel and I don't see pocket there |
| 09:18.50 | wewlad | I just opened firefox and pocket is there |
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| 09:18.53 | SynrG | so? |
| 09:18.58 | wewlad | so you are wrong |
| 09:19.10 | wewlad | when you say that trademark was the only difference |
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| 09:19.25 | wewlad | or did you mean that it will be iceweasel under the new name? |
| 09:19.31 | SynrG | i didn't say "trademark was the only difference from upstream's builds of firefox" |
| 09:19.34 | wewlad | (sorry, I might got you wrong) |
| 09:19.39 | jusss | themill: there's a detail that after I decompress it in the docs https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apds03.html.en |
| 09:19.44 | SynrG | i said trademark is the only issue for having it called iceweasel vs. firefox |
| 09:19.47 | jusss | themill: there's not |
| 09:20.04 | themill | wewlad: pocket is in iceweasel too |
| 09:20.12 | wewlad | oh, so now it will be two indistinguishable products under the same name |
| 09:20.14 | SynrG | wewlad: many packages in debian have numerous differences from upstream's defaults. |
| 09:20.18 | wewlad | themill: I don't see it there |
| 09:20.21 | SynrG | wewlad: we don't rename all the others |
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| 09:20.37 | wewlad | alright |
| 09:20.37 | SynrG | wewlad: the *only* reason for that rename was the trademark. and that has been resolved. |
| 09:20.50 | themill | wewlad: that doesn't mean that it isn't there; it is |
| 09:20.56 | wewlad | SynrG: thanks for clarifying that, now I get it |
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| 09:21.13 | SynrG | np |
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| 09:21.34 | wewlad | I guess then there's nothing to worry about |
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| 09:22.01 | SynrG | wewlad: yep. we'll always hold true to the social contract |
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| 09:22.13 | SynrG | wewlad: just have a look at all the +dfsg in version#s of many packages |
| 09:22.32 | SynrG | wewlad: those are indicators that upstream included stuff violating the DFSG and had to be stripped before we could ship it |
| 09:23.33 | wewlad | I just hate that mozilla ruins firefox and that news looked like they also took over on the debian field |
| 09:23.35 | SynrG | wewlad: since mozilla foundation's assertion of trademark rights ran contrary to DFSG, we had to rename it. we couldn't just drop a component ... since it was over the name itself |
| 09:23.46 | SynrG | but now that's settled. |
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| 09:24.45 | SynrG | wewlad: probably best to divert any further discussion -> #debian-offtopic |
| 09:25.08 | wewlad | nah, thanks, that's all I wanted to know, thank you SynrG |
| 09:25.14 | SynrG | k |
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| 09:55.19 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 09:55.37 | AlwaysHigh | Can i grep a command thats sends to /dev/null but return true false to python script? |
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| 09:57.51 | well_laid_lawn | sure you can |
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| 09:58.52 | well_laid_lawn | btw that's a most excellent question |
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| 10:04.10 | ychaouche | Guys, there's an all uppercase command (masquerading as ?) /USR/SBIN/CRON running on my system |
| 10:04.17 | ychaouche | https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/52e2a3fc6f590d34cc41/raw/fbe21258eb6950cf511f9010481d29b3c2d5525f/gistfile1.txt |
| 10:05.04 | ychaouche | The exe for that pid points to /usr/sbin/cron but the cmdline is /USR/SBIN/CRON : https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/a8bad1b8afb370c52cc0/raw/97e742f2564a2f15792a74415aa882d913fb3053/gistfile1.txt |
| 10:05.40 | ychaouche | https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/5b866742da7acb6e0d3f/raw/163da47a456a5cc8eeef8a2fb720b3f65686fc5d/gistfile1.txt |
| 10:05.51 | AlwaysHigh | well_laid_lawn, are u talking to me? |
| 10:06.07 | well_laid_lawn | ygeLN: tried running file on it ? |
| 10:06.15 | well_laid_lawn | AlwaysHigh: yeppers |
| 10:06.35 | AlwaysHigh | also sarcasim |
| 10:06.48 | well_laid_lawn | see your question |
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| 10:16.41 | bahubali | When I'm installing new packages, it always shows some debconf error. But installation completes successfully. How to avoid that error? |
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| 10:20.00 | ychaouche | bahubali: fix it ? |
| 10:20.22 | bahubali | yes |
| 10:20.54 | ychaouche | my answer was : you can avoir the error by fixing it :) |
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| 10:25.59 | ychaouche | and we can't help you fix it if you don't tell us what the error is, as a bare minimum. |
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| 10:27.17 | bahubali | yes :) how to fix it? It is not causing any problems but it is still annoying to see error every time I install something. http://imgur.com/nheSAzz |
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| 10:47.10 | sol | what version does jessie give if you uname -a? |
| 10:47.32 | sol | google says linux 3.16 ships with it |
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| 10:47.59 | sol | I've got 3.20 on wheezy, so I'm wondering if I built a custom kernel |
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| 10:48.06 | sol | or whether jessie is using an older version... |
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| 10:51.54 | ychaouche | bahubali: try : dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 10:52.12 | ychaouche | bahubali: reading from the error message it seems something that debconf need is missing from you system. |
| 10:52.53 | ychaouche | source : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2040217&p=12166407#post12166407 |
| 10:53.02 | ychaouche | "Thanks for the dpkg-reconfigure debconf, that fixed my "unable to initialize frontend: Dialog"-warnings. " |
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| 10:53.12 | frikinz | ychaouche: don't know if you found your answer for CRON but man cron says |
| 10:53.14 | frikinz | The children copies of cron running these processes have their name coerced to uppercase, as will be seen in the syslog and ps output |
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| 10:53.31 | ychaouche | frikinz: ooooh nice |
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| 10:53.48 | ychaouche | thank you for this. |
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| 10:53.57 | ychaouche | no worries than. |
| 10:54.01 | frikinz | no masquerading on this one :) |
| 10:54.05 | frikinz | ychaouche: yw |
| 10:54.24 | ychaouche | you never know. It happend to me once so I stay vigilent. |
| 10:54.38 | frikinz | sure |
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| 10:57.07 | frikinz | ychaouche: I've been running ossec on some of my servers. Developpement has a bit stalled since trend micro acquired it but its not so bad |
| 10:57.32 | frikinz | also logwatch |
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| 11:03.59 | ychaouche | To be honest I have rkhunter installed but I mostly rely on fail2ban and our ASA physical firewall |
| 11:04.05 | ychaouche | (or is that ISA ?) |
| 11:04.16 | ychaouche | bbl time for lunch |
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| 11:05.59 | tdm4 | Hi.. is the 'iceweasel-release' now gone from mozilla.debian.net repo? Or has it just been moved? |
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| 11:07.35 | r6ku | it's gone already? man, those guys are fast |
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| 11:08.19 | tdm4 | r6ku: was it announced somewhere that it's going away? |
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| 11:12.20 | tdm4 | we meant to just switch to firefox from iceweasel or something? |
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| 11:13.52 | r6ku | tdm4: yeah, it looks like they solved the trademark issue https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 https://glandium.org/blog/?p=3622 |
| 11:13.56 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/815006 in iceweasel (open): «Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-17; last modified: 2016-03-06. |
| 11:14.16 | tdm4 | ahhh! ok thanks for that |
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| 11:15.07 | l__q | from where it can derive this error? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/269410/ |
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| 11:41.17 | bahubali | ychaouche, thanks. Selecting readline fixed the problem. |
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| 11:46.48 | de-facto | does anyone know of a .deb source package for fonts-roboto-mono ? |
| 11:47.01 | de-facto | i found this but cant locate the sources for it https://bintray.com/cublinux/deb/fonts-roboto-extra/view |
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| 11:49.38 | frikinz | irefox-esr (45.0esr-1) unstable; urgency=medium |
| 11:49.39 | frikinz | * Farewell, Iceweasel. |
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| 11:52.44 | AimHere | And there my keyboard shortcut for iceweasel was ctrl + win + I. I'd change it back, but that would conflict with emacs |
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| 11:53.31 | TomTomTosch | you mean ctrl + tux + I :P |
| 11:53.41 | tulphoon | Hey guys. I have found myself in a situation in which following problem persists. http://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=379 |
| 11:53.45 | tulphoon | And i don't know if removing "insserv" is secure or recommended. |
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| 11:56.11 | fluxtendu | Hi. I'm trying to follow a guide to configure ferm with a VPN, but with systemd could I still use /etc/udev/rules.d/81-vpn-firewall.rules to launch a script when vpn status change? |
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| 12:25.21 | ghormoon | hi, how cam I make update-rc.d reload script? I had script with empty stop runlevels which didn't work, edited it but it still remembers the empty one :( |
| 12:27.25 | abrotman | isn't there an example, like /etc/init.d/skeleton ? |
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| 12:30.24 | ghormoon | abrotman: I fixed that according to example, I said stop 0 1 6, but still update-rc.d somehow rembers the old setting |
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| 12:32.12 | themill | perhaps you could pastebin real commands and real output |
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| 12:36.48 | ghormoon | themill: http://pastebin.com/LXn7LY6V |
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| 12:37.43 | ghormoon | even though there's already start 2 3 4 5 and stop 0 1 6 |
| 12:37.55 | ghormoon | it doesn't say tht if I copy it under other name |
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| 12:49.12 | ychaouche | bahubali: no problem |
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| 13:19.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | Hey |
| 13:19.20 | r0ck_ | hey ppl! I love you and debian |
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| 13:20.23 | TyrfingMjolnir | Today I have installed https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall with 1 installer available; debian net install, how can I add a menu for choosing different installers? such as memtest, gparted, architect linux, windows and so on? |
| 13:20.26 | r0ck_ | I want to ask how much time it takes for packags to go from testing to stable? |
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| 13:20.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | r0ck_: I doubt there is a static answer to that question |
| 13:20.49 | markybob | r0ck_: about two years |
| 13:21.18 | markybob | r0ck_: that's when testing becomes stable release |
| 13:21.21 | TyrfingMjolnir | r0ck_: Which package are you looking at? |
| 13:21.46 | TyrfingMjolnir | r0ck_: I use debian for servers and arch linux for development |
| 13:21.52 | abrotman | r0ck_: it doesn't work like that, but sometimes they get backports for some packages |
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| 13:22.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | r0ck_: And you can always download source and compile |
| 13:22.24 | abrotman | that doesnt' answer the question |
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| 13:23.06 | TyrfingMjolnir | abrotman: stop spamming. All answers so have been relevant to the question asked. |
| 13:23.09 | r0ck_ | I am looking into mate package |
| 13:23.16 | abrotman | TyrfingMjolnir: quit being a jerk |
| 13:23.19 | r0ck_ | cause its a bit old in stable at the moment |
| 13:23.32 | dvs | ,v mate |
| 13:23.33 | judd | No package named 'mate' was found in amd64. |
| 13:23.38 | TyrfingMjolnir | r0ck_: For which packages? |
| 13:23.41 | abrotman | r0ck_: To be fair, that's based on an abandoned DE anyway .. it won't have changed much in the past few years |
| 13:23.52 | abrotman | judd: versions mate-desktop |
| 13:23.54 | judd | Package: mate-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-3+deb8u1; sid: 1.12.1-1; stretch: 1.12.1-1 |
| 13:24.32 | r0ck_ | I have 1.8.1 as it says in jessie |
| 13:24.38 | abrotman | r0ck_: eventually, someone may create a backport, but otherwise, you use what is in Jessie now, or you attempt to create your own backport |
| 13:24.39 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have not run any graphical on debian since waimea |
| 13:24.39 | r0ck_ | But I'd love to have 1.12.1 |
| 13:25.31 | abrotman | judd: checkbackport mate-desktop |
| 13:25.32 | judd | Backporting package mate-desktop in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: mate-common (>= 1.12). |
| 13:25.33 | TyrfingMjolnir | Waimea died in 2004: https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/waimea/ |
| 13:25.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | How about cinnamon? |
| 13:25.57 | abrotman | dpkg: tell r0ck_ about ssb |
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| 13:27.09 | markybob | that won't be a simple backport though :P |
| 13:27.19 | r0ck_ | why? |
| 13:27.20 | abrotman | judd says it works |
| 13:27.32 | abrotman | who am I to argue with a bot .. |
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| 13:27.55 | dvs | doesnt trust Wynona |
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| 13:29.42 | TyrfingMjolnir | r0ck_: Cinnamon vs MATE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfNHnmX3GNY |
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| 13:29.52 | TyrfingMjolnir | Cinnamon on the left, mate on the right |
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| 13:30.31 | r6ku | just stick with what's in stable |
| 13:30.59 | abrotman | that's the sensible approach |
| 13:31.45 | r6ku | if it's not broken, don't break it |
| 13:32.23 | TomTomTosch | are there any really useful new features in 1.12? me thinks they just added some shine. |
| 13:32.40 | abrotman | that's what I said ten minutes ago |
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| 13:33.14 | zinx | but i need the bigger number |
| 13:34.23 | TomTomTosch | abrotman, do you expect me to read through the whole conversation before i add my 2 cents? :P |
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| 13:35.35 | TomTomTosch | three lines max. |
| 13:35.52 | abrotman | typically, yes |
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| 13:40.54 | TomTomTosch | well, i've read the release notes and it's mostly bugfixes and lib support. so here's the info abrotman didn't wait for :P |
| 13:40.56 | awal1 | 'update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree' feature is provided by 'flashplugin-nonfree'? |
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| 13:41.56 | abrotman | awal1: no, by the pepper flash plugin package |
| 13:42.04 | themill | dpkg: tell awal1 about apt-file |
| 13:42.10 | awal1 | no man for update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree' |
| 13:42.14 | abrotman | TomTomTosch: huh? I did browse them .. Don't pretend you're a genius |
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| 13:42.43 | abrotman | There is the whole bit where they added support for GTK3, not a bug fix, pretty important actually |
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| 13:45.20 | TomTomTosch | didn't mean to provoke. nvm. |
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| 13:47.28 | awal1 | I purged 'flashplugin-nonfree' after uninstalling adobe flash (update-flashplugin-nonfree --uninstall), and installed 'peperflashplugin-nonfree' for chromium and 'browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash' for iceweasel and pepper works fine with iceweasel |
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| 14:00.33 | zylinx | where should i go to ask about gnome on debian ? |
| 14:00.40 | zylinx | can i ask here ? |
| 14:00.58 | abrotman | you can try |
| 14:01.26 | r6ku | nice timing, I just tortured myself with gnome a minute ago |
| 14:03.00 | zylinx | i have a passwordless root user, and in my gnome launcher i have a root terminal icon (the red one). when i click on it it wants the root password, thus cannot be launched... so i changed the Exec line from gksu to gksudo which works for all my other apps. but it didnt change anything ?! i tired updating the desktop db and even when i filter by commdand |
| 14:03.01 | zylinx | 'gksudo' the root term icon appears. but when launched it seems to still be using gksu |
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| 14:04.16 | zylinx | if i double click the shortcut from nautilus it works tho |
| 14:04.22 | zylinx | but not from my activity launcher |
| 14:04.24 | Newww | Hello! I need help, how to log "remaining processes"? systemd-shutdown[1]: Sending SIGTERM to remaining processes... |
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| 14:05.44 | awal1 | zylinux, 'alacarte' maybe util under gnome |
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| 14:09.33 | zylinx | awal1: thanks, in alacarte it shows the command = 'gksudo /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator' |
| 14:09.45 | zylinx | but when i click on it in gnome activity launcher |
| 14:10.07 | zylinx | it seems to launch with the old 'gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator' |
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| 14:10.51 | zylinx | do i maybe need to restart my system ? |
| 14:10.56 | zylinx | id prefer not to |
| 14:11.09 | awal1 | zylinux, so how you can change gnome activity configuration , your issue may reside theire |
| 14:11.16 | awal1 | I dont use gnome, so no idea |
| 14:11.33 | awal1 | check how ^ |
| 14:11.49 | awal1 | also #debian-gnome |
| 14:11.58 | zylinx | ^ ty |
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| 14:17.40 | zylinx | awal1: just had to restart gnome (Alt+F2, r, enter) |
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| 14:48.33 | hiya | Why is my Debian so slow on i5-4th gen laptop |
| 14:48.44 | hiya | Search is also so slow |
| 14:48.47 | hiya | something wrong? |
| 14:49.01 | r0ck_ | guys, do you use libreoffice from debian stable, or downloading from their site the latest build? |
| 14:49.32 | dvs | r0ck_, from debian stable |
| 14:49.35 | frikinz | r0ck_: I avoid a lot downloading packages out of official debian repo |
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| 14:50.00 | dvs | !frankendebian |
| 14:50.01 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 14:50.10 | abrotman | r0ck_: why do you keep trying to break your OS? |
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| 14:50.23 | frikinz | bad habit indeed |
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| 14:51.22 | r0ck_ | I just had it for 9 months, and want to tweak to a newer versions :P |
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| 14:52.28 | frikinz | r0ck_: unless you really need a feature only implemented in newer versions, I'd avoid moving from stable |
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| 14:52.56 | r0ck_ | I see |
| 14:53.02 | r0ck_ | ok thanks |
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| 14:53.09 | r0ck_ | you guys also use chromium instead of chrome? |
| 14:53.20 | frikinz | guess :p |
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| 14:54.47 | r0ck_ | I see |
| 14:54.48 | r0ck_ | ;)) |
| 14:54.51 | dvs | likes magnesium ;-) |
| 14:54.59 | r0ck_ | though I think libreoffice 5 is essential for office use |
| 14:55.06 | r0ck_ | this 4.3.3 build is soo old |
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| 14:56.06 | TomTomTosch | it is in jessie-backports. |
| 14:56.28 | dvs | ,v libraoffice |
| 14:56.29 | judd | No package named 'libraoffice' was found in amd64. |
| 14:56.35 | dvs | bah |
| 14:56.40 | dvs | ,v libreoffice |
| 14:56.41 | judd | Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1:5.0.5~rc2-1~bpo8+2; stretch: 1:5.0.5~rc2-1; sid: 1:5.1.1-1 |
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| 14:57.07 | dvs | r0ck_, he's right. jessie-backports if you must |
| 14:58.15 | r0ck_ | okay |
| 14:58.23 | r0ck_ | how can I use those backports? I got to learn this evening |
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| 14:58.30 | r0ck_ | sorry for my lame head |
| 14:58.39 | dvs | !tell r0ck_ about jessie backports |
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| 15:01.25 | r0ck_ | Okay I have now: |
| 15:01.25 | r0ck_ | # jessie-backports |
| 15:01.25 | r0ck_ | deb http://ftp.litnet.lt/debian/ jessie-backports main |
| 15:01.30 | r0ck_ | in my sources.list |
| 15:01.40 | r0ck_ | now what command I should launch to install libreoffice 5? |
| 15:02.50 | towo` | why you do not read the instructions on the backports website? |
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| 15:04.59 | r0ck_ | guys, I love, it works now ;P |
| 15:05.02 | r0ck_ | happy! |
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| 15:06.52 | lowin | Hello. I have installed fglrx-drivers following the article in wiki, but after restarting the system, the performance is terrible and unusable. Unfortunately I can't search for solutions like this, any ideas? |
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| 15:07.58 | d626865e70 | Been lurking for about a day the time has come for a question. How effective are chroot jails for non-root processes? |
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| 15:08.09 | towo` | lowin, you want to paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:09.43 | hexnewbie | lowin: What issue with the free radeon driver did you experience that made you switch to fglrx? I've been more than happy with it on my last two laptops. |
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| 15:12.04 | lowin | towo`, is there a paste program I can use? I can't paste it manually.. hexnewbie, well the open source driver didn't work with dpm enabled and ffrankly, my power bill is running a little high |
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| 15:12.45 | hexnewbie | lowin: https://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 15:14.21 | hexnewbie | lowin: There were a lot of PM improvements to the radeon driver in recent kernels, as found in backports |
| 15:15.40 | lowin | Here's a log http://paste.debian.net/414803/ |
| 15:15.44 | hexnewbie | lowin: My DPM gets enabled by default, I don't know if that's a change with the new kernel, or you're switching it off |
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| 15:16.16 | lowin | hexnewbie, I have to switch it off in kernel cmdline or else, my systemwon't boot |
| 15:18.13 | hexnewbie | lowin: Is it immediately very slow, or does it become slow after you switch virtual consoles? |
| 15:18.32 | hexnewbie | lowin: Also can you pastebin result after running glxgears or glxinfo? |
| 15:19.02 | lowin | hexnewbie, I'm thinking immediately, but It was ok in plymouth screen |
| 15:19.04 | hexnewbie | lowin: (In particular, do you get any errors during the former) |
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| 15:19.54 | hexnewbie | lowin: Are you with kernel 3.16+63? |
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| 15:21.28 | lowin | hexnewbie, glxgears ran fine with ~3700fps |
| 15:21.30 | lowin | Linux chikorita 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4 (2016-02-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:22.13 | hexnewbie | lowin: No complaints about permissions? I was thinking permissions could be the issue (check "getfacl /dev/ati/*" anyway) |
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| 15:22.51 | hexnewbie | lowin: What is actually slow? |
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| 15:23.45 | lowin | hexnewbie, nope no errors. here's glxinfo: http://paste.debian.net/414814/ Desktop rendering is very slow. my screen updates once like every 5 seconds |
| 15:24.00 | lowin | I'm using kde btw |
| 15:24.22 | hexnewbie | lowin: Does switching off the desktop effects help? (Conversely, if they are off, does switching them on help?) |
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| 15:27.20 | lowin | woah |
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| 15:27.20 | noNickToday | update-grub detects my debian installation, however it fails to add it as a boot option? why? |
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| 15:27.57 | lowin | hexnewbie, I changed the compositing engine from opengl3 to xrender and now everything is smooth again.. thanks for help. I wouldn't have figured out by myself ina year |
| 15:28.35 | xemacs | noNickToday, check /etc/grub.d/* you may need to make 1 file in there executeable |
| 15:28.41 | hexnewbie | lowin: XRender should be slow too. I would try OpenGL 2.0 or something. |
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| 15:29.25 | lowin | hexnewbie, everything besides xrender is slow |
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| 15:29.32 | lowin | which is weird |
| 15:29.40 | PaddyF | hello, what is a convenient way to lookup information regarding the recent updates of bind9-host, libdns*, etc. |
| 15:29.56 | hexnewbie | lowin: I see. That doesn't seem right. If I were you, I'd give the backports kernel (4.3) a try, with the free driver. |
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| 15:30.54 | lowin | hexnewbie, Well, now that my desktop updates more than once every 5 seconds, I could try different options. disabling vsync on opengl seems to be working |
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| 15:31.29 | hexnewbie | PaddyF: Depending on what you mean, /var/log/apt/history.log, /var/log/dpkg.log, https://www.debian.org/security/ or /usr/share/doc/bind9/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 15:33.09 | PaddyF | the information provided there would require me to do a lot of manual research |
| 15:33.46 | PaddyF | is there no d.o/security/ for average human beings? |
| 15:33.46 | abrotman | PaddyF: what are you actually looking for? |
| 15:33.56 | lowin | tearing is real though |
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| 15:34.05 | abrotman | https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3511 Like that? |
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| 15:34.25 | noNickToday | xemacs: all files there seem to be executable already |
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| 15:34.30 | PaddyF | the vulnerabilities regarding browsers and dns related stuff was known for 2-3 days and today we had some "role play" again |
| 15:34.39 | PaddyF | i wanna figure out if i was owned again |
| 15:35.06 | PaddyF | abrotman: i dont understand the DSAs |
| 15:35.23 | noNickToday | by chance you got any other ideas? |
| 15:35.25 | abrotman | The CVEs mentioned are for DoS, not compromise |
| 15:35.36 | PaddyF | ah, thanks |
| 15:35.41 | ArchDuke | On a fresh install of debian stretch with xfce; closing my laptop lid appears to freeze the entire computer? Anyone encounter something like this before? |
| 15:35.43 | abrotman | PaddyF: they say as much in the DSA |
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| 15:36.27 | hexnewbie | ArchDuke: Yeah, happens on all desktop environments that suspend the computer on laptop lid closure, despite knowing that doesn't work on Linux :) |
| 15:36.31 | grawity | ,kernels |
| 15:36.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.5.0-rc7-686-pae (4.5~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.4-2); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.5-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u3) |
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| 15:37.56 | hexnewbie | ArchDuke: Or in other words, suspend is tricky and can fail in a variety of ways. I would expect that half the people here had problems with it in the past, or in the present. |
| 15:38.00 | noNickToday | or am i interpreting the output wrong? http://pastebin.com/eeh1CnAC |
| 15:38.30 | rysiek|pl | hmm |
| 15:38.53 | rysiek|pl | after moving to Debian 8 (from Ubuntu), on two servers we're getting: do_IRQ: 0.XXX No irq handler for vector (irq -1) |
| 15:38.58 | ArchDuke | hexnewbie: I read some of the issues with suspend and gave the xfce power manager 'switch off display' value while on power ot battery, but still seems to freeze |
| 15:39.08 | rysiek|pl | the XXX is 168 on one of the servers and 205 on the other |
| 15:39.29 | rysiek|pl | I tried to find some info on this but couldn't find anything definitive |
| 15:39.35 | rysiek|pl | and wonder how problematic this is |
| 15:40.04 | hexnewbie | ArchDuke: Oh, I had that happen to me to. But that was on a very old laptop, so maybe it's unrelated. (Simply the display wouldn't come up, I think the GPU crashed) |
| 15:41.09 | hexnewbie | ArchDuke: You could try to turn off the monitor with xrandr or xset and see if it still crashes. |
| 15:41.11 | ArchDuke | That might be what's happening; laptop is a thinkpad t460s |
| 15:41.42 | ArchDuke | Like have a bash script with a sleep timer, execute it, open and close? |
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| 15:42.04 | ArchDuke | close and open* |
| 15:42.06 | hexnewbie | ArchDuke: Well, a script that powers off the monitor and then powers it on again |
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| 15:42.50 | ArchDuke | Ok, I'll give that a shot and see if that has any effect, thanks! |
| 15:43.49 | hexnewbie | ArchDuke: Without closing any lids: «xset dpms force off» (then «force on»), or «xrandr --output LVDS --off» (and then "--auto") |
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| 15:46.34 | ArchDuke | hexnewbie: That seems to work fine |
| 15:46.57 | hexnewbie | ArchDuke: Then maybe something is trying to suspend your laptop anyway |
| 15:47.08 | ArchDuke | Hmm, I set systemd to ignore it |
| 15:48.03 | hexnewbie | ArchDuke: You should check your logs for suspend attempts after it crashes (I'm not sure where they would go, or if they go anywhere) |
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| 15:51.49 | tako | Hello can you advice me data recovery program for debian ? |
| 15:52.05 | tako | i want to simple one |
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| 16:02.18 | stevessss | so.. a package in deb format certified to be lsb 3.2 complian should work on debian, ubuntu, or any other dpkg system new enough to support lsb 3.2, and not too much newer to not have backward compatibility? |
| 16:03.16 | stevessss | is making packages certified to each version of lsb and packing in tgz, rpm, and deb format in x32 and x64 |
| 16:03.24 | stevessss | is that better than making for just debian or ubuntu? |
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| 16:07.33 | ArchDuke | Hm, it doesn't seem the culprit attempting the suspend is logging to syslog - induced a crash, just a lot of 'CSR is not loaded.' related errors |
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| 16:10.26 | zz | hey |
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| 16:12.08 | debiannewbie | hi. my soundcard don't work in debian (alsa, oos) on speakers but work in headphones. can i redirect sound from headphones to speakers or it isn't simple? |
| 16:12.35 | debiannewbie | sound card=vt2837a netbook=hp2133 |
| 16:12.45 | debiannewbie | tutorials from net isn't work on new krenel |
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| 16:13.39 | mtn | debiannewbie: Install and use pavucontrol. Check sound levels and devices in Output and Configuration tabs. |
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| 16:15.57 | debiannewbie | mtn: i think it's driver error |
| 16:16.01 | debiannewbie | [ 10.634537] sound hdaudioC0D0: speaker_outs=0 (0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0) |
| 16:16.01 | debiannewbie | [ 10.634545] sound hdaudioC0D0: hp_outs=1 (0x11/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0) |
| 16:16.02 | debiannewbie | from dmesg |
| 16:16.12 | debiannewbie | not pulseaudio... |
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| 16:18.50 | debiannewbie | mtn: i installed it. sound levels are 100% (not muted), devices are ok but no sound |
| 16:19.09 | mtn | debiannewbie: did you test the other devices, both in output and configuration? |
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| 16:20.22 | debiannewbie | sound are stopped after kernel update. i don't want go back to old kernel |
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| 16:21.46 | debiannewbie | so i think it's driver error :)\ |
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| 16:22.30 | debiannewbie | sound work on old kernel & windows... it isn't devie issue |
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| 16:26.31 | usving | …strictly speaking not debian-related, but…does anyone know of software good for assessing student papers (annotating, correcting etc.). Using the annotation feature of Word/Libreoffice isn't especially practical, I think. I have been experiencing with wdiff, but formatting the output to be student-friendly is a hassle. I have been looking around without success. It feels like I'm missing something obvi |
| 16:26.37 | usving | ous. |
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| 16:58.09 | Mister | Hi , question about repos! |
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| 16:59.54 | _martin__ | Can't get Oracle's Java 7 or 8 installed on Strech. |
| 17:00.00 | _martin__ | dpkg -s libc6-amd64 |
| 17:00.01 | dpkg | You Fool! libc6-amd64 is installed! |
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| 17:00.26 | _martin__ | shows that I have Version: 2.19-18+deb8u3 |
| 17:00.47 | _martin__ | But the make-jpkg created package says |
| 17:00.50 | _martin__ | oracle-java7-jdk depends on libc6-amd64 (>= 2.11) |
| 17:00.54 | _martin__ | when I try to install it. |
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| 17:01.08 | ArchDuke | It seems I don't log out when I select to log out - could this be related to my crash when closing the laptop lid? |
| 17:01.44 | _martin__ | I don't understand 2.19 is greater than 2.11, why would dpkg -i fail due to missing dependancies. |
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| 17:03.45 | _martin__ | Sorry folks, I'm on Jessie, not Strech. |
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| 17:09.16 | kotten | _martin__ maybe it loads a 32bit instead? |
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| 17:11.05 | _martin__ | kotten Linux laptop 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4 (2016-02-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:11.24 | _martin__ | oracle-java7-jdk_7u79_amd64.deb: Debian binary package (format 2.0) |
| 17:12.19 | kotten | _martin__ I am shooting from the hip here, try: apt-get install libc6-dev |
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| 17:13.40 | _martin__ | kotten already have libc6-dev-amd64 |
| 17:14.18 | _martin__ | dpkg is not trying to build or compile anything, just install. Dev packages should not be needed, but I have them installed anyhow. |
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| 17:14.18 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, _martin__ |
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| 17:17.01 | kotten | _martin__ could your libc6 version is too hjgh for jdk7? |
| 17:17.07 | kotten | *is = be |
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| 17:18.57 | _martin__ | kotten, don't know. |
| 17:19.07 | _martin__ | kotten Don't know how to find out. |
| 17:19.08 | hexnewbie | _martin__: By the way, openjdk-7 already comes with Jessie. |
| 17:19.18 | kotten | hexnewbie he wants oracle |
| 17:19.29 | _martin__ | I've been happy with openjdk-7 for ages. |
| 17:19.31 | kotten | And no one can blame him for that. |
| 17:19.38 | hexnewbie | kotten: OpenJDK is Oracle. |
| 17:19.44 | _martin__ | But Android Studio seems to really want Oracle. |
| 17:20.05 | kotten | hexnewbie so it comes with all the bells and whistles? Like JavaFX? |
| 17:20.14 | abrotman | stretch has jdk8 |
| 17:20.25 | kotten | I am fairly sure there is a non-opened jdk |
| 17:20.31 | kotten | that is oracle |
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| 17:22.23 | kotten | apt-cache show openjdk-7-jdk "The packages are built using the IcedTea build support and patches |
| 17:22.23 | kotten | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:22.41 | hexnewbie | kotten: Yes? |
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| 17:25.01 | kotten | there is an oracle-jdk and there is an openjdk and they are different AFAIK. If they aren't they were. I have been making alot of java programs and many times missing out some stuff in openjdk when using it. |
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| 17:33.04 | tp43_ | I seemed to have installed 32bit version instead of 64bit, is it a full re-install to fix it? |
| 17:33.23 | kotten | tp43_ of Debian or a package? |
| 17:33.49 | tp43_ | kotten, of Debian |
| 17:33.52 | grawity | if you *just* installed it, I think that's easiest |
| 17:34.05 | tp43_ | Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6 (2015-11-09) i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:34.11 | kotten | tp43_ just reinstall it. |
| 17:34.16 | kotten | pae.. Is a virtual machine? |
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| 17:34.51 | tp43_ | yeah I gotta re-install my whole system from scratch eh, yeah of course, cause all the packages will be from the 32bit repo and won't work on 64it kernel |
| 17:35.14 | grawity | no, pae is a general x86 feature |
| 17:35.27 | tp43_ | So what will be the advantages of me switching now to the 64bit debian rather than just not bothering and keeping my 32bit debian? |
| 17:35.39 | kotten | tp43_ the 32 bit packages should work on a 64bit system |
| 17:35.42 | Sir_Designer | memory |
| 17:35.50 | tp43_ | Sir_Designer, what about it? |
| 17:36.05 | tp43_ | Sir_Designer, unless I have a lot of ram it won't matter? |
| 17:36.10 | Sir_Designer | how much of it can be addressed |
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| 17:36.40 | tp43_ | How can I see how much ram my computer has? |
| 17:36.48 | kotten | tp43_ there is a 4GB Ram limit I think |
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| 17:37.16 | tp43_ | kotten, that is what I mean, if I am less than 4g then it won't matter eh |
| 17:37.19 | hexnewbie | An application cannot have more than 4GB memory space, so it cannot mmap big files, etc. |
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| 17:38.18 | kotten | tp43_ hmm.. Well I mean you have a 64 bit cpu so use it. I guess calculation will be less then optimal and alot of newer software might not have 32 bit support. |
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| 17:38.27 | hexnewbie | tp43_: Your computer may even use less RAM, if not work faster, if you stick to 32 bit. But you may stumble upon things that wouldn't work. |
| 17:38.41 | hexnewbie | tp43_: Other things would also be slower, as well. |
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| 17:39.05 | tp43_ | hexnewbie, hmm, k thxx |
| 17:39.29 | Alireza_Black | hi guys .... i am new at debian .....can i ask my questions ? |
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| 17:39.45 | hexnewbie | tp43_: Also you can install a 64 bit kernel on a 32 bit debian, and then install 64 bit packages with multiarch IIRC (but you probably wouldn't need to) |
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| 17:40.16 | Aorious | Alireza_Black: Just ask, do not ask to ask. :) |
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| 17:45.09 | Alireza_Black | how can i add exploit to metasploit ? |
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| 17:45.25 | Alireza_Black | to use this for example : https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/23856/ |
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| 17:47.58 | jmcnaught | Alireza_Black: Metasploit is not in Debian as far as I know. |
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| 17:48.29 | Aorious | Alireza_Black: Maybe you can try asking at #kali or #metasploit. |
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| 17:53.16 | tp43_ | hexnewbie, thx again |
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| 17:57.53 | ghormoon | hi, is it possible to move window over vnc, if on the remote side there's no windowmanager? just to move it to visible area, it's cropped because it's moved out :) |
| 17:58.21 | grawity | not really, afaik |
| 17:58.29 | grawity | the window manager is what lets you move windows |
| 17:58.38 | grawity | you could start one temporarily, move stuff, then kill it again |
| 17:58.43 | hexnewbie | ghormoon: That would be a feature of the remote graphical environment (that is, precisely the window manager), not VNC. So without a window manager, you wouldn't be able to move it. |
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| 17:59.09 | ghormoon | too badm I don't really wanna install any windowmanager there. enough that I've started a vnc server :) |
| 17:59.16 | ghormoon | it shouldn't be there :) |
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| 18:00.53 | Aorious | Hey, after I lock my desktop, after logging back in, my sound no longer works. How can I fix this permanently? |
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| 18:01.32 | hexnewbie | Aorious: When you say permanently, does it mean that you have found a temporary/one-shot fix? |
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| 18:02.59 | Aorious | When the sound is not working, opening the Gnome settings menu causes my audio to return. Also restarting gnome has the same effect. |
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| 18:03.37 | hexnewbie | Aorious: It may be a volume control issue. Are you using PulseAudio? |
| 18:03.38 | Aorious | Additionally, something the sound randomly stops working, without locking my desktop. Also, rarly locking my desktop does not cause this issue to occur, however it does cause it in the majority cases. |
| 18:03.57 | Aorious | hexnewbie: I am using PluseAudio. |
| 18:03.59 | grawity | Aorious: do things like `pavucontrol` or `pactl info` still work? |
| 18:04.14 | grawity | Aorious: is the pulseaudio process running when the sound is gone? |
| 18:04.58 | Aorious | grawity: not sure. So you want to me break the sound, then try the pactl info command? |
| 18:05.04 | grawity | yes |
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| 18:07.23 | Aorious | grawity: pactl info returns seemingly normal output - http://pastebin.com/TJE3ivrM |
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| 18:09.14 | Aorious | grawity: Here is the output of the same command after appling my hacky fixing the audio - http://pastebin.com/TJE3ivrM |
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| 18:09.25 | Aorious | fix* |
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| 18:09.52 | hexnewbie | That's the same paste |
| 18:10.07 | grawity | it does show HDMI being the default output – is that normal? |
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| 18:13.31 | Aorious | grawity: Sorry, the default source and sink are the same when my audio is broken and working. Here is before and after of 'pactl info': http://pastebin.com/Jw3b2aiW |
| 18:13.46 | grawity | yeah, but are you actually listening through HDMI |
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| 18:16.24 | Aorious | grawity: Oh, yes I think so (physically using a DisplayPort cable from my graphics card's output port), alsa_output.pci-0000_01_00.1.hdmi-stereo-extra1 is correct sink. |
| 18:16.33 | grawity | hrmm |
| 18:16.41 | grawity | what if you ran `pulseaudio --kill && pulseaudio --verbose` from a terminal |
| 18:16.44 | grawity | then broke audio again |
| 18:17.03 | grawity | and watched the verbose messages carefully to see what happens when you "fix" it with the settings-menu thing |
| 18:17.53 | Aorious | grawity: Ok, I am trying that now. |
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| 18:23.12 | Aorious | grawity: I got this output exactly after hitting the button "fix" my audio. http://pastebin.com/2dvU9yjj |
| 18:23.51 | grawity | hrmm nothing unusual |
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| 18:27.01 | Aorious | :( |
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| 18:32.51 | Aorious | Thanks for the help :) As you suspect the issue relates to PulseAudio, I think I should try asking in #pulseaudio. |
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| 18:40.04 | acos | ? |
| 18:40.12 | r0ck_ | what? |
| 18:40.29 | acos | oops lol |
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| 18:42.03 | f31n | i just don't get it, when i send a mail from cli cat /path/to/anyfile | mail -s "testemail" email@domain.tld -> it's working perfectly; but if i send it through crontab the email gets marked as spam cause the to field isn't set correctly - its not the email@domain.tld but root@syervername oO? why? |
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| 18:51.10 | r0ck_ | anyone know where can I find mate-terminal config file? |
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| 19:01.07 | babilen | r0ck_: Try #mate -- if it is anything like gnome-terminal you're looking for dconf/gsettings or whatever that's been renamed to in MATE |
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| 19:06.09 | Waxhead | I am considering purchasing a LSI 9300-8i HBA controller. How can I figure out of the controller is supported out of the box in the (debian) kernel ?1 |
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| 19:07.41 | babilen | Waxhead: What is its pciid ? |
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| 19:08.29 | xet7 | Does systemctl-nspawn work for creating containers on Debian VPS running on OpenVZ that has kernel 2.6.32-042stab094.8 ? |
| 19:08.38 | Waxhead | babilen: have no idea... have not purchased it yet :) |
| 19:09.02 | Waxhead | babilen: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118217 |
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| 19:09.31 | babilen | Waxhead: Sorry, can't really help with that. If you figure out the pciid you can look it up on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 19:09.48 | babilen | (or with "/msg judd pciid $PCIID" in here) |
| 19:10.20 | babilen | Waxhead: Maybe you can find an entry on the Debian HCL website or in the Linux source code. |
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| 19:10.29 | Waxhead | babilen: no worres , you've been helpful regardless. I'll play with the link you have me and have a look |
| 19:11.43 | babilen | Waxhead: http://www.avagotech.com/products/server-storage/host-bus-adapters/sas-9300-8i mentions Linux |
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| 19:12.38 | jmcnaught | xet7: it probably won't work. is the VPS using systemd? that's a fairly old kernel, and inside an openvz container you probably don't have enough privileges to start another container |
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| 19:18.09 | xet7 | jmcnaught: VPS has Debian 7 installed, I'm not sure does it have systemd yet. There is Debian 8 template available when reinstalling VPS, but based on some google searches I'm not sure does upgrading work, it may need reinstall. |
| 19:19.26 | jmcnaught | xet7: Debian supports upgrading between major releases, but the "Debian" template provided by your ISP might be some custom broken "minimal" crap |
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| 19:27.50 | ecom | I have normal speeds when searching on google, but not other sites. I can search something in google and I'll get results instantly like normal, but if I go to any other site (like the forums, or hotmail, etc) it'll take a very long time to load. What's the issue? |
| 19:29.23 | markybob | ecom: i don't see how that's a debian issue or how you possibly expect us to help. we don't run hotmail or your forums |
| 19:30.57 | gapi | ecom: maybe dns related, try 8.8.8.8 as dns |
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| 19:31.29 | markybob | gapi: no. it's search. so it's already cached the dns |
| 19:31.51 | gapi | or you have some proxy at your isp |
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| 19:33.30 | BinBasher | Can anyone help me set up my openweather? I can search for a city but can't press ok when I selected it |
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| 19:35.17 | ecom | markybob: I guess it's a network-manager issue, but after I upgraded debian to testing I'm getting messed up speeds, that's why it's a debian issue. |
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| 19:35.46 | markybob | ecom: will testing isn't supported here per /topic. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:36.01 | Waxhead | ecom: try a text mode webbrowser (Lynx for example) and see if you get the same slow speed there. |
| 19:36.17 | Waxhead | If not it is your browser (possibly flash adverts loading that makes stuff slower) |
| 19:36.22 | ecom | Waxhead: I tried on chromium and firefox, but I'll try lynx right now, if I can install it |
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| 19:37.39 | ecom | Waxhead: I can't install lynx right now, apt is saying it'll take 3 hours for it to install |
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| 19:38.02 | Waxhead | ecom then you have other issues with your network |
| 19:38.16 | babilen | Sounds as if your ISP decided that you no longer deserve any internet pie, ecom |
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| 19:40.07 | Waxhead | ecom: lynx should (regardless of the bandwidth) not take much more than 3 minutes to install unless you got a shitload of dependencies. Try running a network speedometer somewhere and try to figure our why your network is slow. Turn if off and on again is a wonderful trick that usually helps :) (that includes turning off /on your router and network stuff too) |
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| 19:41.11 | ecom | Waxhead: It's not my network, it's not hardware, it's some software related issue within Debian. I dualboot and if I switch to Windows I have normal speeds of 20 mbps, it's something in Debian. |
| 19:41.23 | ecom | but as markybob said, I should go to debian-next |
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| 19:42.00 | fuan | debian-next requires an invitation? |
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| 19:42.14 | ompaul | it is on oftc not freenode |
| 19:42.20 | ompaul | !debian-next |
| 19:42.20 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:42.22 | fuan | thanks |
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| 19:44.11 | SOUL_OF_r00T | hello great guys som can help me with ltsp my client not mount any filesystem? any help are greatly welcome ???? |
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| 19:52.14 | midacts | is there a Satellite or WSUS equivilant for Debian? (I just want it so all my Debian machines can point to it instead of individually going out to the internet) |
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| 19:52.53 | tako | debian is boring me what i need to do :D |
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| 19:53.56 | ompaul | midacts: run a proxy in front of the servers and give it a big enough chache |
| 19:54.03 | ecom | I recieve the message "modprobe: bad line 1: 1 tokens found, 2 needed" on boot. Everything in /etc/modprobe.d/ is the default, and I went through and deleted each of the first lines to make sure, and I still receieve the error. What's wrong? |
| 19:54.06 | ompaul | and clue 42 don't expire |
| 19:54.15 | markybob | midacts: apt-cacher-ng |
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| 19:54.48 | midacts | is it something i should even worry about? |
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| 19:55.05 | midacts | ompaul: i could use something like squid on my pfsense box maybe |
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| 19:55.54 | markybob | midacts: apt-cache show apt-cacher-ng and read the description. |
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| 19:56.40 | ompaul | midacts: how much disk do you have on pfsense? |
| 19:57.24 | midacts | The main principle is that a central machine hosts the proxy for a local network, and clients configure their APT setup to download through it. Apt-Cacher NG keeps a copy of all useful data that passes through it, and when a similar request is made, the cached copy of the data is delivered without being re-downloaded. |
| 19:57.29 | midacts | sounds good |
| 19:57.37 | midacts | its a VM. as much as I need |
| 19:57.38 | Walakea | i have amd64 architecture and just downloaded a bunch of i386 libraries in hope that a program will work correctly, that hasnt happened so now i would like to know how to dele all of those libraries |
| 19:58.00 | ompaul | midacts: your firewall is on a box and you share services on it? |
| 19:58.02 | ompaul | that box? |
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| 19:58.24 | midacts | its a VM on an ESXi host |
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| 20:03.43 | midacts | markybob: That is exactly what I am looking for. thanks for your help. |
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| 20:04.16 | midacts | Is there a way to setup one server to be the one to get NTP time externally and then setup all other interla server to point to that one designated interal host for time? |
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| 20:05.56 | ompaul | midacts: yes - you point your server to pool.debian.net or pool.ntp.org depending on your preference that one machine will rebroadcast to your network and you ask the downstream boxes to get ntp from the time machine :) |
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| 20:07.21 | midacts | would it be better to pick another one that as closer to me? GA Tech is the closest to me. |
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| 20:09.48 | ompaul | midacts: na, those pools are very good, and if there is a failure something else will be there for you to sync to |
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| 20:11.37 | midacts | http://pastie.org/10758484 this is my current setup on all my server. ill change the time server to use the debian pools and then all my other server to point to my time server. |
| 20:11.57 | midacts | I know NTP is basic, but do you guys know of any guide guides to really gover over the in's and out's of NTP? |
| 20:13.20 | ompaul | midacts: look at the config file and change the local boxen to chat with yours - if the network is small let the ntp go free |
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| 20:56.47 | buu | Anyone happen to know why Xorg.log will display 'Connected DFP-1" but xrandr -q displays only HDMI-0? |
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| 20:59.11 | kmh | Did you notice that planet.debian.org advertising some russian stuff? |
| 20:59.14 | somiaj | buu: different graphics cards? |
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| 21:00.32 | kmh | Amaya Rodrigo blog is the source of it... and i think this posts are not published by her ... |
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| 21:02.04 | buu | somiaj: Well, I've got the built-in intel gpu and an external nvidia card |
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| 21:02.10 | buu | But my hdmi cable is plugged into the nvidia card |
| 21:02.48 | buu | xorg.log says '[ 13.977] (--) NVIDIA(0): DENON, Ltd. DENON-AVR (DFP-1): Internal TMDS' |
| 21:02.48 | somiaj | buu: I belive by default xrandr won't show both graphics cards. |
| 21:02.56 | buu | Tell me more |
| 21:03.08 | somiaj | buu: you can look up --list-providers and --add-providers in xrandr to see if you can just add the second grahics card |
| 21:04.00 | somiaj | buu: but if this is optimus hardware I'm unsure on if there is anything special you have to do and only know that bumblebee might be able to do what you need, though support for optimus in debian requires some leg work (from my third hand experience) |
| 21:04.01 | buu | somiaj: Do I actually get video output with the current setup |
| 21:04.10 | buu | optimus? |
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| 21:04.30 | somiaj | buu: those are the laptops that have the dual intel/nvidia GPU that switches depending on use |
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| 21:04.46 | somiaj | buu: in your case you might be able to find it with --list-providers |
| 21:04.47 | buu | Providers: number : 1 |
| 21:04.48 | buu | Provider 0: id: 0x279 cap: 0x1, Source Output crtcs: 2 outputs: 4 associated providers: 0 name:NVIDIA-0 |
| 21:04.55 | buu | somiaj: Oh, mine isn't a laptop |
| 21:05.03 | buu | I just want it to always use the nvidia |
| 21:05.13 | somiaj | accoding to that xrandr is only aware of the nvidia card and not the intel |
| 21:05.22 | buu | So taking a step back |
| 21:05.47 | somiaj | did you make a custom xorg.conf file to tell your xorg to use the nvidia card? |
| 21:05.52 | somiaj | (with the nvidia drivers) |
| 21:05.53 | dez_ | i tried installing bumblebee and it didn't work, Anybody could help? |
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| 21:06.01 | buu | My *actual* problem is that occasionally (many hours of inactivity) the linux box becomes unaware of the receiver it's plugged into (or vice versa) and my hdmi link drops out |
| 21:06.20 | buu | somiaj: No I just installed the nvidia package |
| 21:06.27 | buu | and unloaded noveau and stuff |
| 21:07.46 | buu | lspci only lists 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 620] (rev a1) |
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| 21:08.11 | dez_ | actually it works, but not with steam |
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| 21:12.56 | dez_ | can someone help me make optimus work with steam? |
| 21:13.07 | AlexLikeRock | what you need ? |
| 21:13.16 | dez_ | i dont know |
| 21:13.17 | AlexLikeRock | this ? http://goalxlife.blogspot.mx/2016/03/caricaturas-torrent-torrente.html |
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| 21:14.23 | dez_ | AlexLikeRock, ?? |
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| 21:19.11 | AlexLikeRock | cartoons dez_ |
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| 21:46.44 | buu | Why do I have to xrandr --output HDMI-0 --auto to get my computer to send hdmi signals again? |
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| 21:54.39 | SOUL_OF_r00T | helloe great guys i still a hard work with ltsp |
| 21:54.44 | SOUL_OF_r00T | if any can help |
| 21:54.54 | SOUL_OF_r00T | the client box not mount root |
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| 22:11.29 | BinBasher | http://paste.debian.net/414906/ won't it cause trouble if I delete gnome? |
| 22:11.47 | SOUL_OF_r00T | i had follow de official debian ltsp how to but no success |
| 22:11.54 | BinBasher | I don't want to delete gnome, just the extension |
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| 22:12.05 | SOUL_OF_r00T | the client box look for dnsmasq but no mount root fs |
| 22:12.09 | SOUL_OF_r00T | any can help |
| 22:12.10 | SOUL_OF_r00T | ? |
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| 22:12.48 | simonlnu | try #ltsp |
| 22:12.55 | SOUL_OF_r00T | ok thanks |
| 22:13.02 | simonlnu | np |
| 22:13.11 | lichenx1 | what is the correct way to open a jar file in jessie? |
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| 22:18.25 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 22:18.32 | lenswipe | anyone know how to clean out /boot |
| 22:18.46 | BinBasher | lenswipe: define clean out |
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| 22:19.25 | TomTomTosch | lichenx1 you install a jre and run java -jar foo.jar |
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| 22:23.16 | lichenx1 | TomTomTosch, thanks I was missing the -jar |
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| 22:28.13 | BinBasher | ,v gnome-shell-extension-weather |
| 22:28.14 | judd | Package: gnome-shell-extension-weather on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0~20130619.gitf74de79-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0~20140924.git7e28508-1+deb8u1; sid: 0~20151125.gitccaa1eb-1; stretch: 0~20151125.gitccaa1eb-1 |
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| 22:29.12 | lenswipe | BinBasher, my /boot partition is full |
| 22:29.20 | lenswipe | clearly something is filling it up |
| 22:29.22 | lenswipe | i want to fix that |
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| 22:35.24 | foo | This is my output from top: %Cpu(s): 18.2 us, 81.8 sy, 0.0 ni, 0.0 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st - load is constantly 3.18, 3.29, 3.26 . What in sys could take up 81% of cpu? I'm on Xen, wondering if there is something going on with my host although I've been seeing this for weeks now (which was not always like this) |
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| 22:37.53 | BinBasher | lenswipe: could it be old kernels? |
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| 22:52.40 | lenswipe | BinBasher, I'm honestly not sure - how do i find out? |
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| 22:59.13 | BinBasher | lenswipe: dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
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| 23:03.02 | lenswipe | BinBasher, https://gist.github.com/robertmain/a48dc2a317216f0f9b18 |
| 23:03.19 | lenswipe | looks good actually |
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| 23:03.53 | Geefe | How do I activate 3D acceleration on boot (grub) ? I get error msg from Gnome "Oh No. Something went wrong." ... |
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| 23:05.11 | lenswipe | BinBasher, /boot is 10GB |
| 23:05.15 | lenswipe | is that reasonable? |
| 23:05.47 | lenswipe | i mean...I have a 250GB SSD in there...but if theres something generating a shit load of files and clogging the disk up then i should probably address the problem rather than throw more disk space at it |
| 23:05.58 | mtn | Geefe: probably a video driver problem. what video card do you have? |
| 23:06.24 | Geefe | mtn: Intel Celeron N3050 (its a cloudbook) |
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| 23:07.02 | mtn | Geefe: does that card support hardware accelleration? |
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| 23:07.30 | Geefe | mtn: yes, i think so... |
| 23:07.57 | mtn | Geefe: in a terminal: lspci -nn | grep -i vga what does it give you? |
| 23:08.23 | Geefe | mtn: i tried a specific live-cd OS to run ... but it always gives me "Oh No. Something..." also in VirtualBox on the same machine; until i activated 3D acceleration on the machine and then it booted |
| 23:08.43 | mtn | Geefe: right, in vbox it does not use your real video card |
| 23:09.06 | Geefe | mtn: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:22b1] (rev 21) |
| 23:09.08 | cafuego | lenswipe: No, a 10 GB /boot is not reasonable. |
| 23:10.14 | TomTomTosch | lenswipe, mine is taking up 32mb right now. what files are taking up so much space? |
| 23:10.55 | cafuego | lenswipe: /boot should contain one or more kernels, one or more associated initrd images and a handful of grub files. |
| 23:11.33 | mtn | Geefe: that card might need a newer kernel and intel driver to do 3d, not sure. I see quite a few problem reports doing a search |
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| 23:13.24 | mtn | Geefe: here is a bug report. suggests a newer kernel. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1502792 |
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| 23:14.43 | Geefe | mtn: i just wanted to try tails os on the machine ... but it gives me "Oh No. Something went wrong." after greeter. |
| 23:15.51 | mtn | Geefe: hmm, well this is debian support, not tail support |
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| 23:16.37 | ceso | Hi, is someone here? |
| 23:16.44 | Geefe | mtn: I suspected missing 3d acceleration, because after reproducing the same error on virtualbox; it solved after clicking 3d acceleration in virtualbox settings |
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| 23:17.06 | mtn | Geefe: yes, I think that is the problem |
| 23:17.18 | somiaj | you could also use a non-gnome desktop if you dont need 3D acceleration in the vm |
| 23:17.51 | Geefe | mtn: that's right; but i cant get inside this tails channel and there aint nobody replying on freenode tails channel |
| 23:17.52 | jmcnaught | Geefe: you could also try Debian and see if it works properly there, or go to #tails on irc.oftc.net for Tails support |
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| 23:19.08 | Geefe | mtn: is there not some sort of grub boot option i can set? to enable "fallback" or failsafe drivers? O.o` |
| 23:19.22 | mtn | Geefe: no, not a grub problem |
| 23:19.48 | mtn | Geefe: and the tails channel is not on freenode, as was mentioned |
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| 23:24.43 | lenswipe | cafuego, TomTomTosch I ran sudo apt-get autoclean and that freed up about a gig of synaptic packages |
| 23:25.02 | lenswipe | still sitting around 9 gigs though |
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| 23:25.24 | TomTomTosch | are you talking about /boot or / now? |
| 23:25.39 | cafuego | lenswipe: You didn't answer the question about what is in /boot though |
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| 23:28.45 | lenswipe | cafuego, oh - i didn't see it, sorry |
| 23:28.45 | lenswipe | sec |
| 23:29.26 | lenswipe | config-3.16.0-4-amd64, initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64, vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64, grub, System.map-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 23:29.44 | cafuego | and that's 10G? |
| 23:30.03 | cafuego | It is your rootfs 10G and /boot is not its own partition? |
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| 23:30.58 | lenswipe | sec...lemme |
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| 23:31.42 | lenswipe | http://i.imgur.com/co6OrAL.png |
| 23:32.06 | cafuego | paste the output of 'df -h' |
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| 23:32.36 | lenswipe | does the location matter? |
| 23:32.54 | cafuego | Offhand I'd say you have a single 10GB / partition and 490GB of unpartioned space |
| 23:33.05 | lenswipe | https://gist.github.com/robertmain/119c4a7b085a0b556010 |
| 23:33.13 | lenswipe | yes i do |
| 23:33.18 | cafuego | 10G for your entire sytem is a bit tight |
| 23:33.26 | lenswipe | its not the entire system |
| 23:33.37 | lenswipe | /home has a RAID1 array all to itself |
| 23:33.58 | cafuego | home is just data; / is the entire system |
| 23:34.07 | lenswipe | oh so / is set to 10GB? |
| 23:34.20 | cafuego | Yep, and you don't have a separate /boot |
| 23:34.20 | lenswipe | i thought it was just /boot that was 10GB |
| 23:34.24 | lenswipe | oh...damn |
| 23:34.27 | lenswipe | https://gist.github.com/robertmain/119c4a7b085a0b556010 |
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| 23:34.41 | cafuego | 'du -sh /boot' |
| 23:34.55 | lenswipe | ah yeah |
| 23:34.57 | lenswipe | 32MB |
| 23:34.58 | lenswipe | ...derp |
| 23:35.07 | cafuego | herp. |
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| 23:36.39 | lenswipe | is there a way to extend that partition? |
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| 23:36.47 | lenswipe | without powering the system down that is |
| 23:37.02 | cafuego | I don't think so |
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| 23:37.33 | lenswipe | so id need to power the system down, run gparted and expand / |
| 23:37.45 | cafuego | Yep |
| 23:37.49 | lenswipe | aha |
| 23:37.58 | lenswipe | what's a reasonable size to give it? |
| 23:38.05 | cafuego | shrugs |
| 23:38.11 | lenswipe | should i just stretch it across the entire SSD? |
| 23:38.26 | TomTomTosch | depends on how much you want to install, doesn't it? |
| 23:38.32 | lenswipe | guess so |
| 23:38.45 | lenswipe | :/ |
| 23:38.53 | lenswipe | oh well, thanks guys :) |
| 23:38.56 | lenswipe | later |
| 23:39.00 | cafuego | lenswipe: I usually create a 250MB /boot and lvm everything else, including /, so I can resize as needed) |
| 23:39.30 | TomTomTosch | or use btrfs :3 |
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| 23:40.29 | jelly-home | cafuego: but you probably don't let the installer's guided partitioning use 100% of the free space for /home as it is wont to. |
| 23:40.50 | jmcnaught | there is this page that gives an idea of space needed, but of course lenswipe is gone: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds02.html.en |
| 23:41.56 | TomTomTosch | i'll read it if it makes you feel better :P |
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| 23:42.57 | cafuego | jelly-home: No, home goes on a different pv on raid :-) |
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| 23:47.48 | TomTomTosch | hm, kde always felt bigger than gnome but apparently it's not. |
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| 23:51.39 | ceso | Hi, someone is here? I have a issue with debian running on a macbook air (exactly, suspend at lid close) (sorry for the english, isn't my mother tongue) |
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| 23:52.20 | ceso | I am trying somethings, but nothing works, the only thing i can do is hibernate when lid close |
| 23:52.25 | mtn | ceso: lots of people are here. explain your problem |
| 23:52.36 | grawity | does manual suspend work? |
| 23:52.47 | ceso | but, suspend not works, also if i run echo mem > /sys/power/state |
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| 23:53.10 | ceso | the output is either, the resource is busy or suspend and resume inmediatly |
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| 23:54.29 | well_laid_lawn | using systemd ? |
| 23:54.30 | TomTomTosch | ceso, may i ask which macbook air that is? |
| 23:54.52 | ceso | yes, early 2015 (MacBookAir7,2) |
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| 23:55.09 | ceso | MacBookAir7,2 is the output of dmidecode -s system-product-name |
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| 23:57.59 | ceso | not work either acpi or systemd, with systemd only works hibernate |
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