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| 00:19.18 | axc1298 | can anyone recommend a tool in debian repos for creating a RAID. i have a USB hard drive enclosure and 2 hard drives, and want them to be seen as 1 big drive |
| 00:19.41 | axc1298 | (and have LUKS on it) |
| 00:22.38 | vervet | axc1298: so you don't want lvm correct? mdadm perhaps? |
| 00:23.01 | axc1298 | vervet: no, just want formatted at ext4, one big space for backing up important files |
| 00:24.17 | vervet | axc1298: for just combining them I'd personally go LVM, but mdadm can do software raid for you |
| 00:25.47 | axc1298 | vervet: how do i do it with LVM? do i need some specific software? |
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| 00:26.57 | wpostma | Has anyone ever heard of a Paranoid Zombie Apocalypse Prepper Debian user scenario? This is just for my own amusement really, but I'm wondering what I would have to do to host a debian mirror that is zombie apocalypse ready. Truly self hosted and self sufficient. |
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| 00:27.30 | vervet | axc1298: lvm2 is the package you'd need for that |
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| 00:28.11 | axc1298 | vervet: thanks |
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| 00:28.24 | vervet | axc1298: https://wiki.debian.org/LVM -- might help :) |
| 00:28.24 | axc1298 | looks like it's already installed |
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| 00:31.00 | wpostma | turns out "prepper linux" is a thing. The internets are fun. http://justuselinux.blogspot.ca/2013/04/julinux-emergency-tactical-prepper.html |
| 00:31.29 | awal1 | When 'pepperflashplugin-nonfree' is updated ' browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash' follows it, eh? |
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| 00:39.43 | awal1 | ok "Update the flash plugin |
| 00:39.43 | awal1 | In our case, the library libfreshwrapper-pepperflash.so make a link with the plug-in pepperflashplugin-nonfree. You just need to update the Chromium plug-in to enjoy the latest version of flash from Iceweasel." (debian wiki |
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| 00:45.36 | secher | Evening all. Trying to install wine32-development for Everquest and after meandering through all of the dependencies, at libgnutls30:i386 apt wants to remove effectively the entire system. I don't see anything in BTS. Is anyone aware of this problem? |
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| 00:46.14 | somiaj | what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:46.40 | secher | Sorry, fresh install of unstable. |
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| 00:47.53 | secher | Fresh as in did install of testing this AM and then did upgrade to unstable this evening. |
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| 00:50.51 | somiaj | packages are not always installable in sid, if you have tracked it down to a conflict that can't be resolved you may have to wait. |
| 00:51.11 | somiaj | usually conflicts aren'treported as bugs as per the faq for sid, one second. |
| 00:51.47 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#If_package_foo_is_uninstallable.2C_isn.27t_that_a_bug.3F |
| 00:52.29 | somiaj | secher: as for your case I'm unsure about, that is just general advise about when a package is uninstallable in sid |
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| 00:55.27 | secher | somiaj: Hmm.. I'll try them with dpkg and see if I get anything more specific. It's been so long since I've encountered one of these, don't we normally get a 'X conflicts with Y' in the process? |
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| 00:58.49 | secher | Bingo. libgnutls30:i386 - version 3.4.10 libgnutls30:amd64 - version 3.4.9 and that, friends is the bugger in the shorts. |
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| 01:02.20 | somiaj | secher: you can sometimes resolve the depends with snapshot.debian.org by grabing older version of the libaries |
| 01:03.04 | somiaj | secher: ahh is it just a difference between the i386 and amd64 version? It coudl be arecent upload that the amd64 pacakges still need to be built |
| 01:03.12 | somiaj | that should resolve itself shortly |
| 01:03.44 | secher | somiaj: Hmm.. 3.4.10 is in debports, but I've never used that avenue before. On a scale of 1 to 'are you fcsking nuts' how sketchy is it to use a debports package? |
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| 01:05.48 | TandyUK | hey guys, i have a quad port nic, and a bunch of esxi hosts. im looking to replicate for dev purposes what I have in the dc where each esxi host is multi homed back ot our san (not debian in the dc, but will be at home) |
| 01:05.56 | somiaj | secher: not sure what debports is. If the package is not avaialbe for your arch you may just have to wait for the new version to be uploaded. For the time being you can use the older version from snapshot.debian.org to resolve your depends. |
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| 01:06.30 | secher | somiaj: yep, I'm thinking you are correct. Thanks much. |
| 01:06.32 | TandyUK | i need to create a file/partition which is exported via iscsi, im just wondering what the correct term i should be googling is, as im not having much luck finding anything about how to configure multiple paths to access the same iscsi target |
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| 01:07.29 | TandyUK | my debian host is the iscsi target, esxi is the initiato |
| 01:07.32 | TandyUK | +r |
| 01:08.13 | TandyUK | all i seem to be findind is guides on how to connect a debian initiator to a multipath target |
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| 01:10.24 | karlpinc | TandyUK: Possibly: https://wiki.debian.org/SAN/iSCSI/iscsitarget |
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| 01:11.16 | karlpinc | TandyUK: You'd think all the configuration you'd need to connect to anysort of initiator would be in the target docs. |
| 01:12.24 | TandyUK | indeed |
| 01:12.32 | TandyUK | it just makes no mention of multipath that i can see |
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| 01:12.50 | TandyUK | the host has a pair of lacp links back to a stacked set of switches |
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| 01:12.57 | TandyUK | each has its own static ip |
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| 01:13.19 | TandyUK | so perhaps this is all just handled by magic in the kernel, but i wanna be sure before i do any major work :P |
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| 01:29.03 | sheppyh2 | for some reason my monitors do not turn off when the screen blank triggers.. they are just left blank |
| 01:29.14 | sheppyh2 | I found this to prevent screen from turning off: |
| 01:29.14 | sheppyh2 | $ setterm -blank 0 -powerdown 0 |
| 01:29.23 | sheppyh2 | how can I query the current value for powerdown? |
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| 01:31.02 | somiaj | sheppyh2: in x, xset s off |
| 01:31.45 | somiaj | sheppyh2: man xset there is a dpms feature, though unsure what is needed to get it to power them down as opposed to just blank them |
| 01:31.47 | sheppyh2 | yeh I'm following some Arch instructions and trying to relate to debian so not surprised |
| 01:34.40 | somiaj | There is just a lot of different screen blanking. xset manages the builtin xorg blanking which I belive the default is to blank but not power down. And then there are various screensavers and desktop tools that can control this too |
| 01:35.14 | sheppyh2 | okay, I think it's possibly around ACPI/APM |
| 01:35.19 | sheppyh2 | going to try disabling ACPI |
| 01:35.45 | somiaj | I wouldn't disable it, but just configure the feteaure of monintor blanking |
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| 01:42.16 | sheppyh2 | nope |
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| 01:44.23 | sheppyh2 | sleep 1; xset dpms force off < turns them off |
| 01:44.28 | sheppyh2 | so I must have the functionality :P |
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| 01:45.20 | cafuego | why sleep for a second first? |
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| 01:46.37 | sheppyh2 | incase the keyboard return stroke wakes them immediately |
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| 01:47.14 | cafuego | ohright, i see |
| 01:47.30 | karlpinc | TandyUK: If you've got lacp going on at the remote end, then that's where the magic is. |
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| 01:48.40 | sheppyh2 | xset dpms 0 0 360 < sets screens to turn off after 360 seconds |
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| 01:56.34 | JordiGH | I'm getting hash sum mismatches on jessie-backports. Does this have anything to do with getting rid of sha-1 in apt? |
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| 02:01.43 | JordiGH | Oh noooooooo, iceweasel is gonna disappear from my system. |
| 02:01.51 | JordiGH | salutes iceweasel. |
| 02:01.54 | JordiGH | It's been an honour, sir. |
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| 02:03.25 | dvs | For what? icewolverine? |
| 02:03.34 | JordiGH | Firefox. |
| 02:03.41 | JordiGH | You didn't get the memo? |
| 02:03.51 | dvs | never gets the memo |
| 02:04.26 | JordiGH | Mozilla and Debian made up, we can use the Firefox trademark again. |
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| 02:04.35 | JordiGH | But I was so used to Iceweasel. :-( |
| 02:05.17 | dvs | What changed Firefox's mind? |
| 02:05.23 | svetlana | Mozilla changed their license? :o |
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| 02:05.41 | JordiGH | It was never a license problem. |
| 02:05.52 | svetlana | Oh, so Debian changed its mind? |
| 02:05.54 | JordiGH | It's just that Mozilla had a problem with how Debian was using the Firefox trademark. |
| 02:06.02 | svetlana | I see. |
| 02:06.02 | JordiGH | It's not about licenses, it was about trademarks. |
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| 02:06.27 | JordiGH | http://www.pcworld.com/article/3036509/linux/iceweasel-will-be-renamed-firefox-as-relations-between-debian-and-mozilla-thaw.html |
| 02:07.18 | awal1 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 |
| 02:07.19 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/815006 in iceweasel (open): «Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-17; last modified: 2016-03-06. |
| 02:08.04 | svetlana | One thing I didn't get is why other distros (arch, suse, etc) magically got the 'permission' but Debian didn't. Why did Mozilla file a bug only with Debian in 2006? |
| 02:08.10 | dvs | Firefox is going to look funnel with the iceweasel logo. ;-) |
| 02:08.14 | svetlana | Regarding https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
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| 02:08.19 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/354622 in firefox (closed): «Uses Mozilla Firefox trademark without permission»; severity: serious; opened: 2006-02-27; last modified: 2007-06-24. |
| 02:10.15 | JordiGH | svetlana: Debian was patching older versions of Firefox for security reasons. Mozilla didn't like that Firefox was so far behind with backported security patches. So they didn't want Debian users to think that they were getting the "real" Firefox, so Mozilla asked Debian to rename its Firefox so as to not "confuse" users. Since then, Debian has gotten better about following upstream Firefox, so Mozilla no longer has a problem. |
| 02:10.18 | somiaj | svetlana: debian has a strong policy about updating software in stable and debian was backporting security fixes to an older version of firefox no longer supported by mozzilla. Mozilla didn't want this old version being distributed as "firefox". When security started using the esr release for security sometime during wheezy and thus one of the main reasons mozilla didn't want debian distirubting its trade mark was no longer present. |
| 02:11.21 | svetlana | Oh, because ESR exists not? Cool. |
| 02:11.44 | svetlana | Thanks for sharing that stuff here. |
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| 02:12.29 | JordiGH | takes a final look at about:iceweasel |
| 02:12.30 | somiaj | a big part was the number of security issues in browsers, it is a lot of work to check and backport fixes to an older version. And they pop up so often now they decided it was worth changing their stance on browsers. |
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| 02:33.20 | debianuser | Hello. Did something bad happened to backports recently? Can't download any package from squeeze-backports. For example try: https://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-libc-dev I get error 404 Not Found from all mirrors. |
| 02:33.56 | somiaj | debianuser: squeeze is no longer supported and not on the debian mirrors any more. Use archive.debian.org if you must, and realize you have lots of security holes |
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| 02:36.30 | debianuser | somiaj: Ah, thank you! I missed the moment it went to archive. (It's a tiny internal server, not visible to the outside network.) |
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| 02:41.38 | Guest94275 | hello all - i want to setup a minimal debian - how to disable rpc-services on good debian-way? |
| 02:42.12 | somiaj | Guest94275: you can remove the packages or disable the services with systemctl. Either is fine |
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| 02:43.30 | Guest94275 | somiaj, thx - maybe u hve an example for using systemctl? |
| 02:44.12 | somiaj | Guest94275: systemctl disable servicename |
| 02:44.15 | Guest94275 | i didnt know tghat service |
| 02:44.24 | somiaj | Guest94275: you can get the service name by looking at systemctl status to see the list of all running services |
| 02:44.36 | Guest94275 | is that a new way? my last servers i saw 2008 :) |
| 02:44.43 | somiaj | there are one or two services assoicated with it, I don't know their name off the top of the head |
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| 02:45.01 | somiaj | Guest94275: jessie uses systemd by default and this is the main tool for controling systemd. systvinit is still around, but not default in debian anymore. |
| 02:45.38 | Guest94275 | okay - see have to learn a new methode :) |
| 02:45.55 | somiaj | many of the old commands still work, I've just finaly adpated to using systemctl more myself. |
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| 02:51.57 | awal1 | Guest94275, systemctl --all |
| 02:53.04 | awal1 | use less for convenience |
| 02:54.02 | somiaj | status is a good one if you just care what is running and get a nice tree |
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| 02:54.54 | jmcnaught | list-units and list-unit-files also handy when looking for service names |
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| 02:55.05 | echosystm | hey baebs |
| 02:55.21 | echosystm | i need to serve some stuff in my home directory over ftp |
| 02:55.36 | echosystm | but i'd like to avoid setting up some system wide thing like vsftp |
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| 02:56.08 | echosystm | i just want some small app i can run as a user that starts an ftp server and then goes away when i kill it |
| 02:56.12 | echosystm | any suggestions/ |
| 02:56.13 | echosystm | ? |
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| 02:56.58 | Guest94275 | this okay too? update-rc.d remove rpcbind |
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| 02:57.49 | somiaj | Guest94275: that will not stop the services being put back during upgrades |
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| 02:58.02 | somiaj | Guest94275: update-rc.d disable rpcbind would be better,b ut that just calls systemctl |
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| 02:58.32 | jmcnaught | echosystm: who will be accessing the FTP, just you or other? do you/they need upload rights, or just download? |
| 02:58.50 | echosystm | just me. read only, with no log in credentials |
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| 02:59.38 | jmcnaught | echosystm: if it's just you, i would simply install openssh-server and use sftp. use an SSH key if you don't want to enter your password each time |
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| 03:00.18 | echosystm | that's gonna open up my whole fikesystem though |
| 03:00.28 | echosystm | i just want the ftp to share the current directory |
| 03:00.38 | echosystm | ie. whatever pwd is when i open it |
| 03:00.48 | debianuser | echosystm: If you don't mind using http instead of ftp you can use `python -m SimpleHTTPServer 8080` - that would serve files over http on port 8080 |
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| 03:01.01 | echosystm | yeah that's my backup plan |
| 03:01.15 | echosystm | it would be nice to have ftp though, because then i can browse it using finder e tc. |
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| 03:02.51 | jmcnaught | echosystm: finder doesn't support sftp, it can't be told to go to a specific path? If you're the only one who is supposed to have access to this, anonymous FTP is not the way to go |
| 03:03.06 | jmcnaught | FTP should have died a long time ago |
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| 03:04.36 | mkb | if finder means the apple's finder, there is fuse and sshfs |
| 03:04.37 | debianuser | jmcnaught: It's just there's nothing faster than ftp over a local 1gbit network yet. :( ssh is dead slow. |
| 03:04.41 | mkb | s/the // |
| 03:05.06 | echosystm | jmcnaught: the traffic never leaves my computer. i'm ftping between host and guest vm |
| 03:05.24 | echosystm | security isn't an issue |
| 03:05.25 | mkb | I hate myself for suggesting it, but NFS? |
| 03:05.41 | echosystm | nfs is way too much config lol |
| 03:05.55 | echosystm | anyway all good dudes i'll just use vsftp |
| 03:06.10 | echosystm | or that python one-liner if i cbf configing |
| 03:06.16 | echosystm | thanks! |
| 03:06.26 | somiaj | I personally don't notice ssh being slow, but think http is a good option, maybe the server has a browser directory option so you can search for files that way. |
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| 03:07.23 | jmcnaught | or WebDAV over HTTPS |
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| 03:09.29 | Lacho | hello someone uses ASSP ?(antispam smtp proxy) |
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| 03:12.18 | debianuser | echosystm: internet suggests `twistd -n ftp` (from "python-twisted-core" package) and `python -m pyftpdlib -w` ("python-pyftpdlib" package) |
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| 05:55.41 | Hijiri | I get package dependency problems sometimes and I suspect it has to do with the fact that I installed packages from deb-multimedia in the past. I've since removed the repo from my sources, but how do I tell if that is the problem I'm having? |
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| 05:59.21 | jmcnaught | !dmm remove |
| 05:59.21 | dpkg | If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ... |
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| 06:00.03 | Hijiri | Thanks |
| 06:00.03 | jmcnaught | Hijiri: check out above, also are you having package dependency problems right now? Are you using any other third party sources? |
| 06:00.27 | Hijiri | I'm using some that provide a narrow set of packages, let me check |
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| 06:00.49 | jmcnaught | !bat |
| 06:00.49 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 06:03.56 | Hijiri | I'm running an upgrade right now, but I'll get the output when it finishes |
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| 06:16.03 | ljhade24 | how can i find packages which are not installed by apt-get? to approach find packages to be updated manually |
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| 06:17.26 | jmcnaught | ljhade24: /usr/local and /opt are good places to start looking |
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| 06:18.09 | jmcnaught | ljhade24: wait, do you mean .deb packages you installed manually with "dpkg -i"? or stuff compiled from source, unpacked from tarballs etc? |
| 06:18.42 | ljhade24 | jmcnaught: yes. I mean packages installed by .deb file |
| 06:19.54 | ljhade24 | it's relevant gaol that i asked two days ago. about ppa |
| 06:20.33 | jmcnaught | ljhade24: "aptitude search ~o" will show you obsolete packages, which means ones that can not be downloaded |
| 06:21.07 | ljhade24 | jmcnaught: can i do that with apt-get? |
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| 06:21.22 | ljhade24 | or dpkg? |
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| 06:22.07 | ljhade24 | cause I don't really like programs wraps others. |
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| 06:22.48 | ljhade24 | I think it's becoming wrappers and wrappers ... like synaptic pabkage manager, Ubuntu Software Center ... |
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| 06:27.10 | zacwalls | Hello. For some reason, I don't have any sound.... That means when I try to play some audio, no sound comes out of my speakers. How can I fix that? |
| 06:27.19 | jmcnaught | ljhade24: it's a little silly to reject aptitude's amazing search abilities and compare it to synaptic and software centre. I don't have any packages I've installed with "dpkg -i", but you could do "dpkg -l" and compare the line for a package that was installed this way to one from APT, and make a grep pattern from that |
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| 06:30.28 | MurcieLee | jmcnaught: thanks! I'll give apitude a try. What I was planning to do is make a script to find and update(if possible) packages I installed manually. |
| 06:30.47 | MurcieLee | jmcnaught: it's ljhade24 |
| 06:31.03 | jmcnaught | MurcieLee: check out the search patterns you can use with aptitude: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 06:31.40 | MurcieLee | jmcnaught: Thanks for the link |
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| 06:32.20 | jmcnaught | MurcieLee: you're welcome |
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| 07:02.43 | Hijiri | jmcnaught: Does that dmm-removal command supposed to be run when dmm is still in the sources list? aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p returns no packages, but I have at least one package with the dmo epoch |
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| 07:05.43 | Hijiri | jmcnaught: Here is command output for the things in the !bat command: https://paste.debian.net/415827/ |
| 07:05.53 | Hijiri | (for the original problem, not for when I tried to remove dmo stuff) |
| 07:05.53 | zacwalls | Hello. For some reason, I don't have any sound.... That means when I try to play some audio, no sound comes out of my speakers. How can I fix that? |
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| 07:07.12 | Hijiri | I had more sources than I remembered |
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| 07:11.38 | jmcnaught | Hijiri: any of those third party repos could be causing conflicts. |
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| 07:12.29 | jmcnaught | Hijiri: also the <dmm remove> factoid does list removing the dmm repo as a step after that command |
| 07:12.45 | Hijiri | I removed dmm from the list a while ago |
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| 07:14.09 | jmcnaught | ,v libtag1v5 |
| 07:14.10 | judd | Package: libtag1v5 on amd64 -- sid: 1.9.1-2.4; stretch: 1.9.1-2.4 |
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| 07:15.42 | jmcnaught | Hijiri: can you install that package? also there's a separate testing/unstable support channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, you'll probably get better support there |
| 07:16.19 | Hijiri | I can, but it will remove a bunch of other packages |
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| 07:16.38 | Hijiri | Should I post output here or take it to #debian-next first? |
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| 07:17.24 | jmcnaught | Hijiri: #debian-next is better, like here it might be pretty quiet right now though |
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| 07:17.43 | Hijiri | Okay, I guess I can try there |
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| 07:21.28 | dionysus69 | when I resume from sleep gnome shell addons don't get activated and I have to run alt+f2 >> "r" couple of times in order to get them starting. anyone encountered such glitch? |
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| 08:17.37 | r0ck_ | how do I install KDE in jessie? |
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| 08:19.34 | relaxed | r0ck_: https://wiki.debian.org/KDE |
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| 08:24.36 | r0ck_ | how do I exlude some packages from this ptitude install ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$ |
| 08:24.53 | r0ck_ | I dont want iceweasel icedowe and libreoffice to be installed |
| 08:24.54 | r0ck_ | ? |
| 08:25.08 | r0ck_ | I got libreoffice from backports which is much newe and nicer? |
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| 08:30.26 | Iridos | r0ck_, I just had a look and the tasks have meta-packages to do their job... you cannot have a meta-package minus some packages, it's all or nothing |
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| 08:31.36 | Iridos | at least the tasks, as they are defined in aptitude use those meta-packages |
| 08:31.40 | relaxed | r0ck_: just install kde-full |
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| 08:32.16 | Iridos | what you can do is to look into the meta-packages and install the packages that are in there... e.g. install kde-standard |
| 08:33.00 | Iridos | or even install kde-minimal |
| 08:33.28 | Iridos | hm, wait, the last one is a virtual package |
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| 08:37.37 | dionysus69 | what is a secure way of keeping passwords in ENV variables? I strongly assume that keeping it in /home/user/.profile is highly insecure |
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| 08:38.09 | Iridos | define "insecure" and "secure" |
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| 08:39.32 | msn | dionysus69: any place outside a user's memory is insecure |
| 08:39.50 | msn | as long as password is not easily guessable |
| 08:39.50 | grawity | there is *no* secure way of keeping passwords in environment variables |
| 08:39.59 | grawity | because that means every single process gets a copy of them |
| 08:40.15 | grawity | even those who don't need it |
| 08:40.23 | grawity | so you get passwords in crashdumps, passwords in debug logs, etc. |
| 08:40.48 | Iridos | not if you set the environment variable for exactly one process |
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| 08:41.35 | Iridos | and core dumps and debug logs might not be a problem, as not exposed to the outside anyway.... or they might |
| 08:41.45 | Iridos | but I think that was the point of my question :) |
| 08:41.49 | ghormoon | hi, how will apt handle if I change ownership for files owned by package? I've tried installing wordpress and it's owned by root - that would end up badly if I run php as root :) |
| 08:41.58 | AimHere | Well it's not clear to the user that a program will be writing all it's logs to somewhere |
| 08:42.10 | AimHere | So it could well be an issue even then |
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| 08:42.57 | grawity | ghormoon: owned by root doesn't automatically mean it runs *as* root... |
| 08:43.04 | Iridos | sure, but then the programs could also just have backdoors |
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| 08:44.16 | ghormoon | grawity: nit sure it it doesn't need write anyway, i'll have to find out if it has some uploads or something |
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| 08:51.12 | Iridos | ghormoon, that's what it needs a mysql database for |
| 08:52.29 | ghormoon | Iridos: it uplaods files to databse too? |
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| 08:52.47 | Iridos | what do you mean "too" |
| 08:53.15 | ghormoon | well, I'd expect texts and such, but not files like photos |
| 08:53.41 | ghormoon | especially when it has upload dir setting :) |
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| 09:02.24 | Iridos | you'll find out |
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| 09:16.01 | jamesc | I need to run a newer version of libnspr4 does anyonw think is possible to use the jessie version on wheezy? |
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| 09:16.39 | msn | isnt wheezy going EOL in May? |
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| 09:17.46 | metachr0n | msn: unless we can get some asthma inhaler for him |
| 09:18.14 | metachr0n | even metachr0n thinks his joke was lame |
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| 09:19.21 | jamesc | Can I simply download this https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/nspr and compile it? there are three files dsc and two tars? I have no idea what they are |
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| 09:20.17 | Iridos | jamesc, libraries are often not as backwards compatible as one might wish |
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| 09:20.39 | strk | Mar 16 10:21:43 cin kernel: [ 5105.776142] usb 1-1: Product: VG110,D700 |
| 09:20.40 | strk | Mar 16 10:21:43 cin kernel: [ 5105.776143] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: OLYMPUS |
| 09:20.54 | strk | I can't mount the above camera, do you have ideas ? |
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| 09:21.13 | jamesc | I feared that. I imaged it has dependancies on glibc etc which means a no go |
| 09:21.39 | jamesc | how easy is it to upgrade wheezy to jessie? |
| 09:21.43 | Iridos | I meant more like... there are a lot of packages depending on that library |
| 09:21.50 | jamesc | oh |
| 09:21.53 | jamesc | I c |
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| 09:23.02 | jamesc | I am running a headless box no mozilla |
| 09:23.20 | Iridos | as to upgrading... it depends ... my upgrade went really smooth. If you have a lot installed from backports or even have ppas or ubuntu packages mixed in or something like that, upgrade will likely run into problems |
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| 09:27.22 | jamesc | I have quite a minimal box no gui so Ill give it a go. |
| 09:27.24 | jamesc | Thanks |
| 09:27.33 | jusss | how I know which package include which package I want? like nslookup |
| 09:27.47 | strk | the same camera hooked on an Ubuntu 15.04 mounts cleanly |
| 09:27.55 | strk | failing on Debian GNU/Linux 8.2 (jessie) |
| 09:27.56 | jusss | some times, aptitude search don't give me what I want |
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| 09:28.37 | strk | I'm comparing the logs in syslog to figure out more but still not sure what's different |
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| 09:29.29 | strk | logs are all the same up to Mar 16 10:14:18 cin kernel: [ 4661.197218] usb-storage 1-1:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected |
| 09:30.10 | Iridos | jamesc, if all dependencies are there, backporting a package can be pretty simple (for that: /msg dpkg ssb) ... if everything needed to compile, i.e. all dependencies are present |
| 09:30.38 | Iridos | judd, versions libnspr4 |
| 09:30.39 | judd | Package: libnspr4 on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 2:4.9.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:4.9.2-1+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2:4.9.2-1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2:4.9.2-1+deb7u3; jessie-security: 2:4.10.7-1+deb8u1; jessie: 2:4.10.7-1+deb8u1; stretch: 2:4.12-1; sid: 2:4.12-1 |
| 09:32.17 | jamesc | does any one have link on the upgrade process? |
| 09:32.54 | strk | uhm, I guess it's more about udiskf |
| 09:33.03 | strk | Mar 16 10:14:20 cin udisksd[1032]: Mounted /dev/sdb1 at /media/kodi/5D18-F276 on behalf of uid 1001 |
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| 09:35.54 | jelly-home | jamesc: do you mean a release upgrade, eg. from debian 7 to 8? |
| 09:36.13 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell jamesc about wheezy->jessie |
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| 09:37.28 | jamesc | Im not sure I need to use the next version of libnspr4 |
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| 09:44.43 | metachr0n | jamesc: depends on the function of the machine ... if its just your laptop or workstation ... it might be easier to just make a backup, and then do a fresh install restoring data afterwards ;) |
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| 09:50.27 | sadtaco | I'm getting "sudo: setcap: command not found" despite having libcap2-bin installed. I can't figure out what gives |
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| 09:51.44 | jelly-home | jamesc: what functionality is your product missing in old libnspr4 from wheezy? |
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| 09:54.01 | jamesc | i am using java message queue 5.1 and it requires libnspr4 4.10.10 |
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| 09:56.30 | jelly-home | jamesc: right. Well, you can try compiling the sources from jessie on your wheezy machine. Let's see how feasible that is |
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| 09:57.17 | jelly-home | judd: checkbackport libnspr4 --fromrelease jessie --torelease wheezy |
| 09:57.18 | judd | Backporting package libnspr4 in jessieâwheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 09:58.46 | jelly-home | jamesc: ok, there's a generic recipe for such a "backport" build. Ask the bot: "/msg dpkg ssb", but replace "sid" with "jessie", and ignore checking for ready-made backports. |
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| 10:00.26 | dionysus69 | msn grawity Iridos so what is a good way to store passwords for example for database authentication for a web app? |
| 10:00.43 | jamesc | I don't understand that \/msgdpkg ssd |
| 10:00.48 | jamesc | is |
| 10:01.04 | jelly-home | jamesc: in your irc client, type /msg dpkg ssb |
| 10:01.18 | jelly-home | jamesc: you'll get a private message from the dpkg bot |
| 10:01.27 | jusss | how I can add user into a group? |
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| 10:03.50 | msn | dionysus69: in the webapp's config file |
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| 10:05.29 | dionysus69 | msn: which is ? you are refering to files in this dir ? /etc/nginx/sites-available |
| 10:05.42 | msn | nope |
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| 10:05.50 | msn | yur web app will have its own config file |
| 10:05.55 | msn | where db info is kept |
| 10:06.12 | msn | if you don't have it create it if you wrote the app |
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| 10:06.24 | dionysus69 | yes I do have it but keeping production username and password there is not that secure anyways. I am talking about rails app |
| 10:06.44 | msn | well are you allowing eveyrone to log into the server and look around? |
| 10:06.46 | jelly-home | dionysus69: just keep the config file outside the DocumentRoot |
| 10:06.52 | dionysus69 | I ll have to gitignore whole database.yml file |
| 10:06.58 | msn | ofcourse |
| 10:07.30 | dionysus69 | dunno dunno saving passwords securely sounds like a pain ^.^ |
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| 10:07.51 | msn | then you should think about a kerberos solution |
| 10:08.00 | msn | which is another can of worms you don't want to open |
| 10:08.41 | dionysus69 | ye that sounds like something from matrix |
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| 10:10.12 | msn | not really its role based and you move from authentication to authorization |
| 10:10.28 | msn | and most databases are bad keberos clients |
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| 10:16.55 | dionysus69 | is kerberos unique to windows active directory? |
| 10:17.33 | dionysus69 | also what is an active directory in debian world does that kind of thing exist? |
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| 10:20.31 | rootd00d | dionysus69: nope. http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/ |
| 10:21.07 | rootd00d | dionysus69: the idea with kerb, being a three headed monster thingy, is that there's a "trusted" 3rd party involved in the authentication mechanism. |
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| 10:21.51 | rootd00d | dionysus69: so, you have a kerb master, a server, and a client. the client and server trust the master, and kerb is for verifying that yes, i'm actually talking to the server i meant to. |
| 10:22.11 | rootd00d | dionysus69: likewise, the server can validate the client is who it claims to be. |
| 10:23.24 | NevynPA | rootd00d: kerb - short for kerberos? |
| 10:23.32 | rootd00d | NevynPA: yes |
| 10:23.57 | rootd00d | NevynPA: a lot easier than saying kerberos 300 times in a single meeting... |
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| 10:24.11 | Iridos | amazing... you said that in two lines... I think I read like 100 pages (well, what felt like 100 pages) of documentation and couldn't figure out what kerberos does |
| 10:24.22 | Iridos | I then stopped bothering |
| 10:24.26 | NevynPA | Okay. I just started setting up a Debian machine via Hyper-V, so I figured I'd join here and listen in. |
| 10:24.46 | NevynPA | is trying to make sure he understands the language used in the channel |
| 10:25.15 | Iridos | NevynPA, try English :)) |
| 10:25.21 | rootd00d | Iridos: super welcome, dude. my office was across the hall from one of the main security architects at microsoft. there was another honcho that would show up, and mixed between the yelling and swearing, you'd hear "kerb" once in a while. |
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| 10:26.19 | NevynPA | Iridos: It's probably easier to understand "#debian-speak" than English! :D |
| 10:26.27 | rootd00d | recalls "no you fscking can't... the channel token!!... there's no fscking way.... that's fscking the dumbest thing i've ever heard!!... fsck!!! kerb." |
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| 10:27.41 | msn | rootd00d: Kerberos is fun once you set it up and understand what the errors mean :) |
| 10:27.55 | msn | basically as long as your A and PTR recrods are working Keberos works |
| 10:28.11 | rootd00d | msn: not struggling with kerberos over here. ;) |
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| 10:28.23 | msn | i am just remarking |
| 10:28.30 | msn | its only troubling when you first touch it |
| 10:28.39 | rootd00d | msn: but these guys would freaking be screaming at each other... it was hilarious sometimes. |
| 10:28.49 | msn | it has a very steep learning curve |
| 10:28.55 | msn | and then smooth sailing |
| 10:29.20 | rootd00d | msn: i'd hear a rumble and dude had kicked a garbage can or something, slamming doors. these guys weren't struggling with kerb either. like i said - security architects. |
| 10:29.34 | msn | rootd00d: i can imagine i mean if you wrap openbsd code in windows executables |
| 10:29.47 | msn | you are adding bugs where there were none |
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| 10:30.19 | PowerKiller | isn't OFTC the official channel now? |
| 10:30.21 | msn | openbsd code wrapped in windows code = hole in a brick wall to check if it leacks |
| 10:30.40 | PowerKiller | lololol |
| 10:30.46 | jim | PowerKiller, official channel of what? |
| 10:30.51 | Iridos | PowerKiller, yes. this is the inofficial official channel. |
| 10:30.54 | PowerKiller | Debian? |
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| 10:31.05 | PowerKiller | inofficial yet official channel? |
| 10:31.08 | rootd00d | msn: well it'd be more getting the SSPI clients to leverage it properly. |
| 10:31.18 | PowerKiller | Yet Another Official Debian Channel? |
| 10:31.35 | rootd00d | msn: like, you can throw SSPI at someones face and they can still just if-else their way into the pits of hell. |
| 10:31.38 | Iridos | dpkg, tell PowerKiller about oftc move |
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| 10:31.50 | jim | yes, actually it is the official channel on the official net (irc.debian.org points at oftc) |
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| 10:33.27 | msn | rootd00d: someone = MicroSoft |
| 10:33.45 | rootd00d | msn: no, at that level it's real people, man. |
| 10:34.13 | msn | :) |
| 10:34.22 | rootd00d | msn: as far as i know, microsoft has never actually stopped to write a single line of code. some beaf-eater. :) |
| 10:34.38 | msn | rootd00d: well they still have to work with what was already a broken system |
| 10:34.47 | dionysus69 | rootd00d: thanks for explaining :) and as for active directory, is there a similar thing in debian? or linux systems don't need it since they come with functionality out of box? |
| 10:35.01 | msn | samba4 |
| 10:35.23 | msn | samba4 is Active directory withtout windows server |
| 10:35.24 | rootd00d | dionysus69: there is lots of support for authenticating your linux box in an AD environment, via kerberos. |
| 10:35.37 | msn | takes care of setting up heimdal kerberos and ldap for you |
| 10:35.48 | msn | so you just have to know ldap/kerberos client end settings |
| 10:36.04 | msn | and how to create spns |
| 10:36.06 | dionysus69 | ye but samba4 sounds like linux using windows way to do stuff, but if lets say windows server didnt exist and thus samba4 didnt exist, what would linux use to achieve same functionality? |
| 10:36.10 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 10:36.35 | rysiek|pl | so, seems git pre-2.7.1 is vulnerable: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q1/645 |
| 10:36.52 | rysiek|pl | " server and client side remote code execution through a buffer overflow in all git versions before 2.7.1 (unpublished á´á´ á´-2016-2324 and á´á´ á´â2016â2315)" |
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| 10:37.03 | rysiek|pl | Debian stable has git 2.1.4 |
| 10:37.07 | rootd00d | msn: argh, SPNs! don't remind me. :) |
| 10:37.08 | rozie | rysiek|pl: that's true |
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| 10:37.36 | rozie | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-2324 |
| 10:37.39 | rysiek|pl | ah |
| 10:37.41 | rysiek|pl | there we go! |
| 10:37.42 | rysiek|pl | thanks |
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| 10:38.15 | rozie | if you use gitlab, they updated already |
| 10:38.24 | rootd00d | dionysus69: https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/Kerberos |
| 10:38.31 | rysiek|pl | rozie: right |
| 10:38.32 | rootd00d | dionysus69: short answer - kerb + ldap |
| 10:38.34 | rozie | if you really need to upgrade now, you need to roll your own package |
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| 10:38.41 | rozie | (on Debian) |
| 10:38.49 | rysiek|pl | yeah |
| 10:38.49 | rootd00d | dionysus69: it can be pretty painful, so good luck! |
| 10:38.53 | rysiek|pl | that's what I was afraid of |
| 10:38.57 | rysiek|pl | thanks |
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| 10:39.26 | rozie | rysiek|pl: should be easy ;) |
| 10:40.41 | dionysus69 | rootd00d: I am not planning to implement it at least I dont need it yet, I was just theoretically curious. but what would you use if the need arose, samba4 or kerb+ ldap? |
| 10:40.43 | rysiek|pl | rozie: hmm, does security-tracker offer an RSS feed/ |
| 10:40.45 | rysiek|pl | ? |
| 10:40.48 | rysiek|pl | or Atom |
| 10:41.41 | msn | dionysus69: openldap+MIT Kerberos |
| 10:41.47 | rootd00d | jeepers creepers - int nlen = strlen(name); |
| 10:41.49 | msn | if you wanna learn ldap+kerberos |
| 10:41.58 | msn | dionysus69: if you want a cooked solutions samba4 |
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| 10:43.16 | dionysus69 | hmm msn ok I just have a bias against anything windows and samba in my mind closely associates with windows world which I left on purpose x) thanks for orientation course xD |
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| 10:45.11 | rozie | rysiek|pl: https://www.debian.org/security/ has one, but this will notify only about changes in stable |
| 10:45.24 | rysiek|pl | that's all I ask |
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| 10:46.11 | rootd00d | dionysus69: well samba is just a kerberos "client," but you would be using native linux (or samba only) users instead of relying on AD/LDAP. |
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| 10:47.12 | msn | rootd00d: samba4 is a Active Directory server |
| 10:47.15 | rootd00d | dionysus69: here's why kerberos - kerberos provides an encrypted channel *BEFORE* authentication. so, since samba is providing an encrypted authentication mechanism for you, this actually wraps all of that in another layer of wonderful elliptic curve magic. |
| 10:47.26 | rootd00d | msn: yes, but a KERB client. |
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| 10:47.40 | msn | yes but it uses heimdal kerberos inside |
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| 10:49.25 | rootd00d | dionysus69: i mean user authentication. the machines authenticate themselves, and then the user does so, over an encrypted channel. |
| 10:50.28 | dionysus69 | ok thats too much for today rootd00d thanks for explaining :D |
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| 10:50.56 | dionysus69 | I am not on the level to understand those details because I don't understand some keywords |
| 10:52.13 | rootd00d | dionysus69: if i'm sending you a username and password, i want that encrypted. so, typically, we'll encrypt a password and trust the other side knows how to deal with it. |
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| 10:55.32 | rootd00d | dionysus69: an effect of kerb is that the user and the server service acquire tokens. the user presents the token to the server, and the server can see that yes, this user got the token from the key distribution center (the kerb master). |
| 10:56.01 | rootd00d | dionysus69: or something like that. |
| 10:56.30 | rootd00d | dionysus69: there's a ticket granting token... a hug my balls token... all kinds of stuff. |
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| 10:57.10 | msn | rootd00d: haha |
| 10:57.39 | rootd00d | dionysus69: but out of all of that foo, you get an encrypted pre-authentication channel, where everything is encrypted, which might include users identity, etc. or anything that would have been sent in the clear. |
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| 10:58.08 | rootd00d | msn: ;) |
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| 11:04.09 | msn | rootd00d: took me a while to learn ldap and kerb now i am in love with them |
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| 11:18.07 | dionysus69 | nice rootd00d :D |
| 11:18.33 | dionysus69 | that would basically be useful and kinda necessary for linux sys admin right? |
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| 11:28.59 | newbie|4 | hi i'm testing WiFi Direct in Debian testing amd64 but it seems that doesn't work... I was reading this post: http://fabiobaltieri.com/2013/02/14/hp-wi-fi-direct-mouse-on-linux/ |
| 11:29.55 | newbie|4 | $ cat /boot/config-* | grep P2P |
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| 11:30.10 | newbie|4 | there isn't anything there |
| 11:30.30 | ghormoon | hi, anyone installed wordpress from debian packages and had problem to make the /var/lib/worpdress/wp-content apply correctly? |
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| 11:52.45 | linuxthefish | how come some mirrors don't have iso images on? :( |
| 11:53.05 | themill | linuxthefish: the mirrors do not have iso images |
| 11:53.21 | themill | !cd mirror |
| 11:53.21 | dpkg | You can download Debian ISO images from the CD image network. See http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors for a list of mirrors that are available. Ask be about <install debian> <various cd1> <netinstall> <install guide>. |
| 11:53.31 | linuxthefish | ah it's a different mirror list ty |
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| 12:05.06 | dagerik | im using network-manager-openvpn-gnome to connect to our vpn. it works fine. but after about 10 minutes I lose network connectivity. seems like it happens when dhclient[30197]: does a DHCPREQUEST and network manager updates network settings |
| 12:06.26 | betterthanyou711 | how do i join a chat again? |
| 12:06.58 | Jay2k1 | betterthanyou711: you mean join a channel? you type /join #yourchannel |
| 12:07.06 | betterthanyou711 | k thank you |
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| 12:14.18 | themill | dagerik: getting the route wrong so that your lease doesn't get renewed would do that |
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| 12:21.49 | dagerik | themill: the NetworkManager do not touch routes. But it sents ip adress, gateway, leasetime, name servers and domain name |
| 12:23.04 | dagerik | sorry. I actually do have network connectivity. But im not getting reponse from our dns |
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| 12:24.11 | linuxthefish | hi, why can't i use a default gateway outside the subnet on the installer yet when modifying the network config after install it accepts it? |
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| 12:29.40 | linuxthefish | argh and the download thing keeps taking me to 404 pages like http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
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| 12:31.59 | themill | linuxthefish: "the download thing"? (also, I don't get a 404 on that URL) |
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| 12:34.16 | linuxthefish | i'm just looking for a debian 7 DVD image through HTTP or rsync, i'm on university network so i can't use bittorrent |
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| 12:35.19 | themill | you won't find wheezy images on the mirror network at all |
| 12:35.37 | themill | !wheezy iso |
| 12:35.37 | dpkg | Debian 7 "Wheezy" installation images are available from https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ . Note that this release has been superseded by Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install debian>. |
| 12:37.04 | linuxthefish | thanks themill, it's for a project where wheezy is required :p |
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| 12:43.13 | PatienceZero | What's a good program for converting audio file format en-masse ? |
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| 12:46.06 | ChrisH | PatienceZero: sox in very generic in converting from song.au to song.wav by simply calling sox song.au song.wav |
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| 12:47.05 | PatienceZero | ChrisH: Thanks, I'll check it out. |
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| 12:48.34 | maddawg2 | question... when you make IP changes in the GUI (GNOME) is that making changes to the interfaces config file or is it using some other network manager? |
| 12:48.53 | maddawg2 | in ubuntu for example it's handled by the package "network-manager" |
| 12:49.09 | maddawg2 | you have to remove that before it will use the ip settings in the interfaces file |
| 12:49.13 | maddawg2 | is debian the same way? |
| 12:49.30 | markybob | maddawg2: yes |
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| 12:49.46 | maddawg2 | gotcha... thanks :-) |
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| 13:10.05 | zanshin | Any one (besides me) crazy enough to install Debian 8 on a 13" Retina MacBook Pro (10,2 early 2103)? I've read all the Debian wiki pages on MacBook Pros, and many other sites about Debian on MacBooks, and still can't get the X11 config for the trackpad working. |
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| 13:19.24 | Joost | now that firefox has been brought back under the original branding, will the same thing happen for thunderbird? |
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| 13:19.41 | Joost | i.e. mozilla.debian.net lists firefox, iceweasel and icedove atm |
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| 13:26.27 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 13:26.53 | teraflops | Lo |
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| 13:27.56 | gypsymauro | I've a problem with an old squeeze distro, I added in sources.list deb http://archive.debian.net squeeze main |
| 13:28.20 | gypsymauro | but doing an apt-get update: E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
| 13:28.22 | gypsymauro | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.debian.net_dists_squeeze_main_binary-amd64_Packages |
| 13:28.47 | gypsymauro | in fact that file is wrong , is an html file |
| 13:29.09 | gypsymauro | i tried to remove it and run apt-get update again but is the same |
| 13:29.17 | gypsymauro | any hint? |
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| 13:32.03 | teraflops | gypsymauro: is that a valid repo? Tried with other squeeze repo? |
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| 13:33.39 | gypsymauro | teraflops: i found this: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/ but I've problems with this too: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/Release Unable to find expected entry main/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 13:36.28 | teraflops | gypsymauro: indeed looks like a malformed line |
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| 13:37.01 | themill | squeeze isn't on the mirrors any more; it's on archive.debian.org |
| 13:37.27 | themill | !squeeze sources.list |
| 13:37.27 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 13:37.35 | themill | (and um... upgrade to a supported release) |
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| 13:47.46 | Fernandes79 | . |
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| 13:49.52 | gypsymauro | themill: but it doesn't works (the archive one) |
| 13:50.08 | gypsymauro | themill: of course ..but I can't right now... I need some packages |
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| 13:50.57 | TomTomTosch | you tried it with .org not .net? |
| 13:51.17 | themill | gypsymauro: it works if you get the URL right |
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| 13:52.43 | gypsymauro | TomTomTosch: I used the ...dpkg version :) deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 13:52.59 | gypsymauro | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.debian.net_dists_squeeze_main_binary-amd64_Packages |
| 13:53.07 | gypsymauro | in fact if I look at that file is an html |
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| 13:55.27 | arielsanflo | hello |
| 13:55.34 | arielsanflo | help |
| 13:56.01 | gypsymauro | I suppose there is a wrong packages file |
| 13:56.19 | arielsanflo | speak spanish |
| 13:56.24 | arielsanflo | i am from colombia |
| 13:56.27 | TomTomTosch | !es |
| 13:56.27 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
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| 13:59.22 | arielsanflo | I have debian 8 xfce do not appear in the menu printer manager please help |
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| 14:03.03 | TomTomTosch | gypsymauro, if the file is html then you got some fallback site because the url was wrong. |
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| 14:04.00 | markybob | arielsanflo: install system-config-printer |
| 14:04.12 | arielsanflo | gracias |
| 14:04.24 | arielsanflo | thanks |
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| 14:05.43 | arielsanflo | fine |
| 14:05.47 | arielsanflo | fine thanks |
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| 14:06.34 | themill | gypsymauro: net â org, still |
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| 14:43.05 | Newww_ | Hello, i need help, what service run programms in /etc/xdg/autostart/ ? Or it run kernel? |
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| 14:47.15 | teraflops | Newww_: the desktop enviroment, but what's your real problem? |
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| 14:48.41 | Newww_ | teraflops: autostart in /etc/xdg/autostart/ dont work. |
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| 14:49.19 | Newww_ | $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS and $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is normal |
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| 14:50.09 | teraflops | Newww_: What are tou exactly doing and how? |
| 14:50.21 | teraflops | You |
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| 14:52.57 | Newww_ | teraflops: I think need to enable service that runs the programms to autostart, but I do not know his name. Startup in this folder does not work. |
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| 14:57.37 | DammitJim | is there a way I can create a bootable usb with a debian iso using dd |
| 14:57.45 | DammitJim | but also have the ability to write to the usb? |
| 14:57.52 | DammitJim | it seems when one uses dd, it makes the drive read only |
| 14:57.59 | DammitJim | and the rest of the available space is lost |
| 14:58.22 | DammitJim | I tried using gparted after using dd, but ran into errors about not being able to create another primary partition |
| 14:58.24 | mkb | I think you can install to the USB as if it were a disk |
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| 14:58.57 | DammitJim | install what? |
| 14:59.00 | mkb | debian |
| 14:59.04 | DammitJim | I can get the iso on the usb and install debian from it |
| 14:59.08 | mkb | yes |
| 14:59.20 | DammitJim | but I can't add any more files (i.e. non free drivers) |
| 14:59.23 | mkb | you'd have to get two USBs (or a CD and USB) and use one to install to the other |
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| 14:59.33 | Newww_ | teraflops: i understand, autostart in bspwm works in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/bspwm/autostart |
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| 14:59.50 | DammitJim | mkb, are you 100% about that? there is no other way to recover the lost space on the 1 usb drive that has the debian installer? |
| 15:00.28 | mkb | not 100% it would even work. and definitely not 100% there's no other way |
| 15:00.57 | mkb | the image is just a CD filesystem with the necessary USB booting bits in the right place; that's why you can't edit it |
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| 15:01.29 | DammitJim | right, but can't you just add another partition to the available space? |
| 15:02.01 | zykotick9 | DammitJim: <sidenote> i had tried to add storage space to a USB with debian iso, and wasn't able to do it (i believe, at one time, it was possible - as my attempt was after someone suggested it here in #d) |
| 15:02.15 | mkb | I don't know enough about how the partitions are set up especially given that there's two partition tables |
| 15:02.21 | r6ku | wait what? I'm pretty sure I did just that with gparted the other day, let me check... |
| 15:02.23 | DammitJim | LOL... that's why I am asking... someone suggested it to me the other day |
| 15:02.29 | DammitJim | and I did see some posts online about doing that |
| 15:02.35 | DammitJim | thanks r6ku |
| 15:02.47 | DammitJim | thanks mkb I think this is beyond the both of us |
| 15:02.52 | DammitJim | which is why I came back to ask |
| 15:03.01 | mkb | the whole image is setup to run from memory |
| 15:03.17 | mkb | even if you get a partition I doubt you'd be able to install software |
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| 15:03.29 | teraflops | Newww_: are you sure? Also Do you use a session manager? If yes, which one? |
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| 15:03.54 | DammitJim | mkb, I'm not installing software, I'm just copying files to the new partition |
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| 15:06.03 | Newww_ | teraflops: i dont use dm. I dont know why /etc/xdg/autostart not work, but $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/bspwm/autostart works =\ |
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| 15:07.52 | Newww_ | teraflops: And I do not quite understand who controls the running applications on /etc/xdg/autostart, I can not find any demons xdg |
| 15:07.53 | r6ku | ugh, doesn't work for me either, time to redo it :/ |
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| 15:08.10 | teraflops | Bspw is not a DE. Why dont you ask the bspwm guys about how do they implement xdg basedir stuff? heh |
| 15:08.22 | teraflops | Bspwm* |
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| 15:08.40 | Newww_ | teraflops: ok, thanks |
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| 15:09.38 | teraflops | Newww_: not meant to be gross. Is just i dont know bspwm |
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| 15:18.33 | joff | guys |
| 15:18.51 | joff | I have a remote machine that I am currently ssh'ed into |
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| 15:19.06 | joff | however I need to run with x11 forwarding a opengl dependent application |
| 15:19.09 | joff | but it fails |
| 15:19.17 | joff | in fact it even fails with glxgears |
| 15:19.19 | joff | help? |
| 15:19.21 | joff | ideas?... |
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| 15:19.36 | mkb | you'll have to be more specific |
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| 15:21.56 | joff | ok |
| 15:22.03 | joff | lets be very specific in deed |
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| 15:22.14 | joff | I want to run glxgears from a remote machine |
| 15:22.21 | joff | and get the output in my machine |
| 15:22.25 | joff | thats all |
| 15:22.49 | joff | I want to see the gears rotating in my screen, eventhough it is running on the remote machine |
| 15:23.02 | mkb | yes. I've seen it done. unfortunately I just tried it and didn't see it done |
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| 15:24.17 | zykotick9 | joff: server side, verify /etc/ssh/sshd_config has "X11Forwarding yes" from client be suer to use "ssh -X fooaddress" or "ssh -Y fooaddress" good luck. |
| 15:25.20 | r6ku | DammitJim: I redid my usb drive, you can use chmod to change the permissions. I used: chmod 777 /media/<user>/<USB> |
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| 15:27.18 | mkb | joff, does the client have a graphics card? |
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| 15:27.41 | joff | yes |
| 15:27.45 | mkb | what kind? |
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| 15:28.03 | joff | the kind that allows me to locally run glxgears |
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| 15:28.12 | mkb | ... |
| 15:28.18 | joff | ok sorry |
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| 15:28.22 | joff | I'll be specific |
| 15:28.28 | mkb | is it nvidia? |
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| 15:28.35 | joff | just let me grab the gfx card name |
| 15:28.43 | DammitJim | what? |
| 15:28.52 | joff | is there some fast command to get the card's name? |
| 15:29.00 | mkb | glxinfo will print it |
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| 15:29.10 | zykotick9 | joff: "lspci | grep -i vga" |
| 15:29.15 | DammitJim | r6ku, you created your USB drive with dd and a debian iso image? |
| 15:29.23 | DammitJim | then you just changed the write permissions? |
| 15:29.25 | joff | after typing glxinfo |
| 15:29.31 | joff | I get the followin |
| 15:29.39 | joff | (ill use pastebin so I dont flood) |
| 15:29.44 | r6ku | DammitJim: after dding it, I used gparted to add another ext4 partition, then I changed the permissions with root |
| 15:29.58 | joff | http://pastebin.com/VdZmYbw6 |
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| 15:30.10 | DammitJim | holy cow! |
| 15:30.12 | mkb | joff, is this ssh? |
| 15:30.13 | DammitJim | what did you dd to it? |
| 15:30.16 | mkb | use ssh -Y |
| 15:30.28 | joff | I used ssh -Y |
| 15:30.32 | mkb | I don't think you can use the GLX extension with the security extension |
| 15:30.32 | mkb | oh |
| 15:30.36 | r6ku | DammitJim: just a debian live image |
| 15:30.37 | joff | ah wait |
| 15:30.50 | mkb | joff, does xdpyinfo say you have the GLX extension? |
| 15:30.58 | joff | brb |
| 15:31.00 | DammitJim | oh, debian live image... I wonder if that's different than the netinst image |
| 15:31.29 | donoban1 | Hi, I load this web (http://www.ivoox.com/) with iceweasel and it doesn't load fine. I try it with Whonix, which I guess has no java/flashplayer stuff installed, and it loads fine, anyone knows what could be the problem? |
| 15:31.30 | zykotick9 | DammitJim: note, the live image does NOT support UEFI, if that's what your computer uses. |
| 15:31.44 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 15:31.46 | DammitJim | that's fine |
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| 15:35.17 | DammitJim | I'm downloading it now... let's see what it says :) |
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| 15:35.27 | okee | How do I add a restart option from the menu in Jessie? The upgrade to Jessie seemed to take this away, or at least put it in another place that isn't as convenient. I have an XFCE desktop. |
| 15:35.34 | DammitJim | but r6ku you were able to use gparted and recover the rest of the space by creating another partitioin? |
| 15:35.36 | DammitJim | partition? |
| 15:35.56 | r6ku | DammitJim: yes? |
| 15:36.02 | DammitJim | did you use just: dd if=/home/<user>/debian.iso of=/dev/sdb && sync |
| 15:36.16 | r6ku | DammitJim: that's correct |
| 15:36.26 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 15:40.29 | kedare | Hi all o/ |
| 15:40.40 | kedare | Is there a way to do an equivalent of "apt-cache showpkg" but on a local .deb file ? |
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| 15:41.30 | kedare | (Oh just found dpkg-deb... I was looking in dpkg) |
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| 15:41.45 | sydney_untangle | zykotick9: The netinstall image supports UEFI though? |
| 15:41.59 | markybob | sydney_untangle: yes. not secure boot though |
| 15:42.21 | sydney_untangle | I've been in quite a few pinches because the livecd doesn't support UEFI... |
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| 15:42.29 | sydney_untangle | markybob: Ah, ok. |
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| 15:54.33 | DammitJim | r6ku, you were right! |
| 15:54.42 | DammitJim | so, there is something weird about the netinst image |
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| 16:08.22 | freakyy | hi all im having a problem with my setup. i just installed debian (jessie) + plesk 12.5 on my server. but for some reason it offers me a download when going to http://multicraft.unitycraft.de - if i load mod_php5 it tells me: [Wed Mar 16 17:07:36.262993 2016] [:crit] [pid 25617:tid 140529042491264] Apache is running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Modul...compile PHP. |
| 16:08.35 | freakyy | is there any other default installed? |
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| 16:12.12 | somiaj | freakyy: you may want to get support from plesk, as that system controls a lot of your system and standard advise for debian may not be compadable with your plesk setup |
| 16:12.15 | somiaj | !plesk |
| 16:12.16 | dpkg | Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:27.03 | j4n4 | typically ordinary rule |
| 16:27.30 | Hanumaan | how to install latest git from git ppa in debian8 ? |
| 16:27.43 | j4n4 | Hello guys. |
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| 16:30.15 | TomTomTosch | Hanumaan, you don't mix ubuntu with debian or bad things happen. |
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| 16:31.38 | j4n4 | Please sugget me guys fully featured note take software on debian jessie |
| 16:32.03 | quarterback | Hello, ryslogd is not catching logs with prefix 'iptables denied' which I had setup to catch blocked packets in iptables. I did create a line :msg, startswith, "iptables: " -/var/log/iptables.log |
| 16:32.03 | quarterback | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:33.40 | zykotick9 | DammitJim: so it works with the live images, interesting... to bad i don't _personally_ want the live image :( i'd now suspect the requirements for UEFI prevent the netinst from doing this (and why pre-uefi debian release netinst might have had this option). thanks for reporting back - i was interested. |
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| 16:35.35 | Hanumaan | TomTomTosch, ok you mean ppa method is not for debian right? then I need to directly get from github and compile it right? or is there any other method? |
| 16:36.12 | TomTomTosch | Hanumaan, what's wrong with the one provided in the debian repos? |
| 16:36.57 | TomTomTosch | Hanumaan, apt-get install git |
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| 16:40.18 | quarterback | Why is ryslog not sending messages with prefix to another log file? |
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| 16:50.03 | Hanumaan | TomTomTosch, I wanted to use the git version 2.6 which has a merge bug resolved and so I wanted to use that .. with apt-get install git I get the version 2.1.4 .. |
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| 16:54.20 | TomTomTosch | Hanumaan, stretch has 2.7 you could backport it. |
| 16:54.25 | TomTomTosch | , checkbackport git --fromrelease stretch |
| 16:54.26 | judd | Backporting package git in stretchâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual. |
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| 16:54.53 | TomTomTosch | !tell Hanumaan about ssb |
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| 16:56.34 | r0ck_ | Can someone backport mate from strech to jessie? |
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| 16:57.53 | quarterback | Hi anybody familiar with rsyslogd here? I need to catch messages with a prefix to another log file. |
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| 16:58.08 | quarterback | I am on debian 7 x86 version. |
| 16:58.35 | BlackPanx | hi guys... when i install packages when building custom image, i see apt-extracttemplates taking 100% cpu usage, but only on 1 core. is there a way to speed up this apt-extracttemplates somehow? by parallelizing it in a way or so... any suggestion is welcome. |
| 16:59.10 | anigma | I'm having some difficulties understanding how to integrate quota with NFS. I've installed nfs-kernel-server and quota on my NFS server, I've made a directory /NFS/users, how am I supposed to set quotes on /NFS/users when this is just a directory and not a filesystem? |
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| 16:59.43 | TomTomTosch | r0ck_, it should work, yes. |
| 17:00.08 | r6ku | although backporting an entire DE is a bit silly |
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| 17:00.46 | okee | I am not able to view other volumes/drives on my computer. I attempted to select one of them, was prompted for the password, and then received an error message indicating "the folder contents could not be displayed. Error when getting information for file '/media/asd/0624069A24068CBD': Input/output error". I then closed the popup by selecting ok, but wasn't prompted again for a password. I then canceled the request, retried the |
| 17:00.46 | okee | process, and still no prompt for a password, and I am still receiving the same error message. Is this a bug in Jessie? I am running Debian stable Jessie. |
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| 17:02.01 | r0ck_ | TomTomTosch: but I am to lame to do it |
| 17:02.01 | r0ck_ | .. |
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| 17:02.26 | r0ck_ | when someone does backport is it available to anyone else then? |
| 17:02.42 | TomTomTosch | r0ck_, nope :D |
| 17:03.01 | okee | Jessie has bugs.. Cudies......oooo........ |
| 17:03.54 | jpgepetto | circle circle dot dot... |
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| 17:04.32 | r6ku | r0ck_: something wrong with mate in stable? |
| 17:04.55 | r0ck_ | yea, mate-screenshot is wrong |
| 17:05.12 | r0ck_ | buggy |
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| 17:06.53 | r6ku | r0ck_: try xfce4-screenshooter? |
| 17:07.36 | r0ck_ | okay, thanks, lets try |
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| 17:18.49 | medfly | Hi, do you consider attempting to include features.h bad behaviour that should be broken? (it currently tries to include sys/cdefs.h which is not existent unlessyou get like gcc-multilib). |
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| 17:30.53 | tharkun | I'm installing Debian 8.x it is asking for firmware-linux-nonfree. How/Where can I donwload it? |
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| 17:31.37 | somiaj | tharkun: during the install you won't have that available, but you can install it from the non-free repo after the install is complete |
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| 17:31.47 | somiaj | tharkun: you should be able to do at least a textbase install without that. |
| 17:32.09 | anigma | I have a directory which is used for NFS (/path/to/NFS), how do I enable quota if this directory is not a filesystem on my NFS server? |
| 17:32.32 | tharkun | somiaj: So I'm good for the time beeing. On this server I used to download the package from somewhere but I don't recall where. |
| 17:33.01 | somiaj | anigma: I belive any quotas will have to be controled by the server of the filesystem, not the client (but not positive here) |
| 17:33.16 | somiaj | tharkun: you can install it with apt-get like any other package provided you hvae non-free soruces |
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| 17:33.39 | somiaj | tharkun: and the package is only really needed if you need the non-free firmware. On a server will you even be running xorg? |
| 17:33.56 | somiaj | tharkun: or caring if you have the radeon kms driver (though there is some other firmware located in that package) working |
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| 17:34.52 | anigma | somiaj: right, so basically the directory exported to my client over NFS has to be a filesystem? |
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| 17:36.28 | somiaj | anigma: I think so (no expert with NFS here). I just know that it can be tricky to configure because the permisions (users, etc) has to be configure on the server not the client (and so there has to be some sync between the users on the client and server for this) |
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| 17:37.10 | tharkun | somiaj: The isue is not display, it is the firmware for the actual network card, so yes, I do need to install it now. |
| 17:37.23 | Hanumaan | TomTomTosch, tried to do backporting from stretch but getting this error .. am I doing something wrong or the servers are not responding? http://paste.linux.chat/view/a2a391b8 |
| 17:37.36 | somiaj | tharkun: oh that is different, that will not be in the package you mentioned. |
| 17:37.52 | jmcnaught | tharkun: there's a chaper in the install manual about this, with a link to a tarball of the firmwares: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
| 17:38.11 | somiaj | tharkun: the firmware for network cards is seperated into various packages based on the manufacture of the card. There are ways to have that availabe during the install as jmcnaught pointed out. there is also unoffical netinstall images with the non-free firmware |
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| 17:38.23 | somiaj | tharkun: I got confused because of the package name you menteioned |
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| 17:39.01 | TomTomTosch | Hanumaan, stretch-backports does not exist. the idea is that you take the stretch source code and create the backport yourself. |
| 17:39.23 | TomTomTosch | Hanumaan, so you add the deb-src line from stretch or sid. |
| 17:39.27 | somiaj | stretch is chaging to quickly for backports to be worthwhile. |
| 17:39.41 | somiaj | and you can probabaly get away with isntall packages directly from sid in stretch if needed (as they aren't to far apart). |
| 17:40.04 | TomTomTosch | somiaj, he is in jessie and wants to backport git. |
| 17:40.17 | somiaj | TomTomTosch: ahh I see. (: |
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| 17:43.40 | tharkun | somiaj: Found the .deb file and extracted the neeeded archives. I didn encounter a usb problem though. Thanks |
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| 17:55.31 | okee | I have Centos installed on my system as well as Debian, and also have Windows XP on here. I was prompted for a password when selecting the Centos drive, but not prompted for a password when selecting the windows drive. I didn't have this problem with Wheezy, but wondering how I can fix it, so that I can access my other drives? |
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| 17:57.18 | okee | I got problems with accessing Centos files as well. Although it authenticated, the file system in Jessie opens up, and I can't enter Centos |
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| 17:58.45 | okee | I assume this is some type of mounting problem, so I am going to see if I can mount the drives. |
| 17:58.53 | jmd | When I run orca I get complaints about missing speech synthesizer. What do I have to apt-get to make it happy? |
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| 18:02.45 | okee | Tried to mount the non-Jessie drives, but received an error indicating they are already mounted https://paste.debian.net/hidden/455f0d0e/ |
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| 18:05.15 | john-soda | Hello I'm on debian testing and my wifi is sending and receiving the whole time small packages. How can I find out what's why and what it's sending and receiving and how to prevent this? |
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| 18:05.53 | donoban1 | try with wireshark john-soda |
| 18:06.11 | okee | How can I access my other drives? I just tried accessing an unallocated area, and received the following message https://paste.debian.net/hidden/53c3107e/ |
| 18:06.13 | donoban1 | also netstat -an |
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| 18:06.38 | john-soda | ok that's what I had in mind, but i never used it befor it will try netstat first. |
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| 18:07.15 | greycat | okee: "authenticated"? "password"? Is your Centos file system encrypted or something? |
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| 18:09.13 | relipse | how do i ssh ffrom one machine to another? It just hangs |
| 18:09.17 | okee | greycat> All drives other than Jessie are encrypted, and require username and password. I ran dmesg | tail, and this is what I came up with https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2b6235a9/ My best guess is that the upgrade to Jessie didn't pickup the username and passwords for these drives, so I am going to see if I can fix that. |
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| 18:09.51 | antena-cli | I boot my system, I put a empty DVD-R in the drive and a window appears telling me that the location is already mounted. And there is no mounted DVD-R in df. And I can't burn the DVD-R. What to do? - https://paste.debian.net/416034/ |
| 18:10.04 | RoyK | hi all. trying to setup nfs without kerberos between two jessie machines - a vm being the client, the host being the server (kvm things). I'm trying sec=sys, the remote uid/gid are matched, and nothing works - permission denied - any ideas? |
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| 18:14.19 | MyWay | can I install debian on a server using uefi with raid 1? if yes, how? I've tried with uefi but then it does not detect anything when booting |
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| 18:19.27 | relipse | how do i connect a squeeze box to a jessie box ? I tried sshfs but it just hangs on connect |
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| 18:20.07 | oo7cat | i can install with usb? |
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| 18:20.09 | relipse | i cannot ssh either it just hangs |
| 18:20.21 | oo7cat | i can install debian with usb? |
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| 18:20.50 | jmcnaught | MyWay: which installer are you using? |
| 18:21.07 | joff | is it possible with nomachine, to actually create several sessions |
| 18:21.08 | joff | ? |
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| 18:21.29 | joff | and not simply control what the server is doing |
| 18:22.01 | jmcnaught | relipse: did you try "ssh -v"? you can add more v's to get more verbose output |
| 18:22.24 | joff | as if I am ssh'ing into the server machine but simply the output goes to my screen something like that |
| 18:22.25 | joff | no= |
| 18:22.27 | joff | ? |
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| 18:24.09 | jzaksh | joff: does this help? https://www.nomachine.com/AR05F00510 |
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| 18:27.48 | MyWay | jmcnaught: I'm using the textual installer from the cd1 (usb drive) |
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| 18:28.59 | MyWay | I've tried disabling uefi, but then grub asks for a single partition (e.g. /dev/sda1), which I think is making my boot not working, because I need the raid device or maybe installing it to both device (e.g. inside /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1) |
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| 18:29.25 | oo7cat | i can install Debian with usb? |
| 18:29.32 | MyWay | yes |
| 18:29.58 | relipse | how do I mount another box onto my box, i tried sshfs and it didn't work, it just hangs |
| 18:30.22 | oo7cat | MyWay: me? |
| 18:30.29 | MyWay | yes oo7cat |
| 18:30.32 | oo7cat | how? |
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| 18:30.43 | markybob | oo7cat: read the guide. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 18:30.43 | jhutchins | !install debian |
| 18:30.44 | dpkg | There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 18:30.51 | MyWay | you can write the cd1 iso to your usb |
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| 18:31.06 | jhutchins | MyWay: You would normally install grub to /dev/sda, not sda1 |
| 18:31.21 | cheapie | I assume I'm not supposed to get the generic "It works!" page from http://ftp.us.debian.org/...? |
| 18:31.38 | MyWay | but I'm in soft raid, it seems /dev/md is unknown |
| 18:31.43 | MyWay | so I need to write to both device, right? |
| 18:31.47 | MyWay | but it's asking for one only |
| 18:31.52 | jzaksh | cheapie: i get a file listing |
| 18:32.05 | markybob | MyWay: no. just one. /dev/sda |
| 18:32.07 | cheapie | jzaksh: Might be just one mirror that's acting up. |
| 18:32.18 | MyWay | why markybob? |
| 18:32.34 | markybob | MyWay: because that's the way mbr works |
| 18:32.39 | cheapie | Yeah, I just refreshed and got a different (working) mirror. |
| 18:33.04 | MyWay | so /dev/sda and /dev/sdb are part of raid, but I write it only to one? |
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| 18:33.46 | jhutchins | MyWay: You can write it to both so it'll boot even if sda is dead, but you only need to write it to sda for it to work normally. |
| 18:34.00 | jhutchins | MyWay: Your raid does not exist at the stage where grub starts. |
| 18:34.34 | MyWay | oh, then it's not working, my server says there are not bootable devices |
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| 18:34.55 | MyWay | jhuebner: and with uefi how does it work? I just need to create a efi partition on every disk? |
| 18:35.32 | MyWay | I've tried it also, but grub didn't ask for anything, then I rebooted and same, the server said it could not find any uefi bootable device |
| 18:35.50 | MyWay | it's a HP DL360 G9 |
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| 18:37.49 | jmd | Anyone know what things I have to install on jessie to get orca to work? |
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| 18:39.13 | antena-cli | https://paste.debian.net/416040/ - Why am I getting those messages on boot time and how to fix them? |
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| 18:39.19 | jzaksh | jmd: what window manager are you using? |
| 18:39.38 | emanuel | hi everyone |
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| 18:40.06 | TomTomTosch | is there an easy way to backport a rather big tree of dependencies? i wanted to take a look at mate from sid, which should backport nicely, but it has lots of deps (all mate stuff) that need backporting and i'm too lazy to do that for each. |
| 18:41.34 | emanuel | I was wondering if anyone could help and guide me in the right direction to becoming a package maintainer |
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| 18:42.10 | markybob | TomTomTosch: you know mate is dead, right? |
| 18:42.15 | jmd | jzaksh: I have tried various. |
| 18:42.28 | jmd | Why should orca depend on the window manager? |
| 18:43.03 | TomTomTosch | markybob, i will keep using i3, just curious. the question applies to any other package. :P |
| 18:43.37 | markybob | TomTomTosch: well the majority of packages should be built from the same source. but i don't think you can do what you're describing |
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| 18:45.28 | jmd | jzaksh: which one would you recommend? |
| 18:45.48 | greycat | Why is the cups web interface so friggin' DIFFICULT :( |
| 18:46.09 | jzaksh | jmd: i believe orca is "the graphical screen reader for the GNOME environment". idk. probably doesn't depend too heavily, but i was only asking you so i could find the right instructions. if you're using gnome, it looks like just install `gnome-orca`. see here: https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Graphical_User_Interface |
| 18:46.14 | anigma | this might be a stupid question, but if / is mounted to /dev/sda1 - does that mean that all the subdirectories on / are technically mounted to /dev/sda1 as well? |
| 18:46.24 | Awal1 | Possible to have both 'firefox-esr' and 'firefox standard from mozilla.debian.net) in same machine? |
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| 18:46.34 | TomTomTosch | markybob, ah well. more work then. thx :3 |
| 18:46.54 | frostschutz | anigma, other way around, /dev/sda1 is mounted to /; other devices might be mounted to subdirectories of / so for example / can be sda1, /home is sda2, /var/www is sda3 and so on |
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| 18:47.23 | frostschutz | anigma, mount or lsblk for a list |
| 18:47.53 | tharkun | somiaj: yes it is in that very same package. Server is up and running now. Thanks anyway. |
| 18:47.55 | mkb | anigma, /dev/sda1 isn't a directory |
| 18:48.02 | oo7cat | i canât use ubuntu server with ubuntu Desktop? |
| 18:48.13 | mkb | if you have /foo you can't look at /dev/sda1/foo |
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| 18:48.59 | okee | Does anyone know how to fix https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2b6235a9/ ?? I became root, and that still didn't fix the problem. |
| 18:49.31 | anigma | right, my bad, I technically knew that - just trying to convince myself that was a possibillity to get this quota shit working |
| 18:49.46 | mkb | okee, I would assume fsck? |
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| 18:51.02 | okee | mkb> How would I use fsck in this case? I just entered fsck at the command line as root, and it had no effect. |
| 18:51.14 | tharkun | jmcnaught: I managed to poke at packages.debian.net and eventually found it. Thanks |
| 18:51.34 | klow | Question - is it trivial in FreePBX to block 2 internal users from being able to call eachother, or set up groups of extensions which are allowed to call eachother or not ? |
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| 18:51.52 | mkb | okee, unmount the disk and fsck <device> ; maybe fsck.<fs> <device> |
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| 18:53.26 | greycat | tries turning the printer off and on |
| 18:53.36 | jmcnaught | tharkun: which firmware package was it? it wasn't in the tarball linked from the install manual? |
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| 18:54.27 | greycat | ... it worked. |
| 18:55.11 | jzaksh | highfives greycat o/''o |
| 18:55.20 | okee | mkb> I am trying to remember how to get out of root. |
| 18:55.50 | cra1g321 | "get out of root" ??? |
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| 18:56.07 | greycat | Usually exit, if you got into root by typing "su" or similar. |
| 18:56.18 | cra1g321 | ^ that |
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| 18:56.43 | jmcnaught | TomTomTosch: running stretch or sid in a VM is probably a much easier way to testdrive newer MATE than to backport it. You're going deep into dependency hell with something that big |
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| 18:59.38 | TomTomTosch | jmcnaught, i've checked it. it's just a bunch of mate related tools i will have to backport. i will remove them as soon as i get it working. the topic of backporting mate came up a few times recently in #d so i wanted to check. |
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| 19:00.41 | r6ku | TomTomTosch: don't waste your time with this tomfoolery |
| 19:00.47 | tharkun | jmcnaught: firmware-linux-nonfree_0.43_all.deb |
| 19:01.07 | tharkun | greycat: printers smell fear. Run. |
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| 19:01.33 | greycat | I took my inked-up paper and left it to its own devices. |
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| 19:02.14 | anigma | how would I create a new partition on /dev/sdb using sfdisk? |
| 19:02.49 | TomTomTosch | eieiei, i get your point, i just felt like it :P |
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| 19:03.51 | greycat | sfdisk looks scary. Is there a special reason you *have* to use sfdisk? |
| 19:03.59 | jmcnaught | tharkun: which is strange because that file *is* in the tarball linked on the chapter of the install manual that I sent you, but i'm glad you figured it out |
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| 19:04.47 | tharkun | jmcnaught: I was on the cold room when you pasted the link. I got to read it after finally rebooting the server. Thanks anyway for the link and time. |
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| 19:04.57 | karlpinc` | okee: What filesystem is sdb2? |
| 19:05.07 | anigma | greycat: I'd like to create a new partition on /dev/sdb from a bash script |
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| 19:05.13 | anigma | has to be non-interactive |
| 19:05.29 | greycat | anigma: parted accepts commands as arguments |
| 19:05.31 | anigma | well, that's what I'd like |
| 19:05.37 | karlpinc` | me likes cfdisk |
| 19:06.02 | jmcnaught | TomTomTosch: one time i tried to backport nodejs. each individual package compiled fine, but needed more packages backported to install. now i only bother with backport recommendations for simple packages that don't have any/many dependencies |
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| 19:07.27 | greycat | cfdisk's man page doesn't seem to indicate any scriptability, so it may not be the right choice for anigma |
| 19:07.37 | karlpinc | greycat: You are probably right. |
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| 19:08.19 | okee | karlpinc> I think it is Ext 4 |
| 19:08.21 | karlpinc | anigma: parted makes nice partitions but I find it a royal pain in the butt to work with. YMMV. |
| 19:08.40 | karlpinc | okee: No, I mean is it / or /home or /usr or /opt or what? |
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| 19:09.16 | i90rr | hi, how do I set apt to keep a specific number of kernel images installed? |
| 19:09.34 | karlpinc | i90rr: Last I looked, they stay installed until you purge them. |
| 19:09.52 | TomTomTosch | jmcnaught, well, i've started, not gonna stop now :P |
| 19:10.15 | okee | karlpinc> I think it is home, but not sure. It is likely for the Centos that is installed on here, and probably defaults to /home. |
| 19:10.28 | greycat | It's not like the number of kernel images you have installed changes on a regular basis, on its own. You have to explicitly install a new one, or remove an old one. |
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| 19:10.54 | greycat | Unless you're running something post-stable, but then you'd be in the wrong channel. |
| 19:10.54 | okee | karlpinc> I have no trouble accessing Jessie's file system, and everything works. I just can't access other drivers. I am taking steps to unmount the drives, and run an fsck routine afterwards. |
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| 19:11.04 | karlpinc | okee: Well, if it's not critical to the operation of your system you first unmount it. Then fsck it. |
| 19:11.26 | i90rr | well, running testing and unstable I often see new kernel images coming all the time |
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| 19:11.40 | greycat | OFTC #debian |
| 19:11.43 | karlpinc | i90rr: Do get get removed from /boot? |
| 19:11.52 | i90rr | karlpinc: exactly |
| 19:12.16 | greycat | err, OFTC #debian-next |
| 19:12.30 | greycat | unstable users should know this |
| 19:12.32 | karlpinc | i90rr: ? (But greycat is right, #debian-next on irc.debian.net is for testing and unstable support.) |
| 19:12.38 | i90rr | problem is /boot in this setup is too small so I need to keep only two images - as a max - installed at a time :S |
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| 19:12.46 | Neobenedict_ | can anyone help with this |
| 19:12.53 | Neobenedict_ | Setting up rsyslog (8.4.2-1+deb8u2) ... |
| 19:12.53 | Neobenedict_ | Job for rsyslog.service failed. See 'systemctl status rsyslog.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details. |
| 19:13.00 | karlpinc | i90rr: Better purge after each upgrade then. |
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| 19:13.12 | greycat | I would type 'systemctl status rsyslog.service' and see what it says. |
| 19:13.48 | i90rr | yeah, but I'm sure there has to be a way for apt to do the job by its own without manual intervention or a hack |
| 19:14.03 | i90rr | just like it happens on redhat and derivatives |
| 19:14.07 | i90rr | (just to name one) |
| 19:14.29 | karlpinc | i90rr: So there's probably a hook. Ask on #debian-next. |
| 19:15.29 | i90rr | ok, tnx |
| 19:15.32 | karlpinc | okee: If it's a filesystem used by another OS it might be prudent to try fixing it from the os where it's used. Just saying. |
| 19:15.37 | tharkun | I recall a cli utility that queries the raid card for the status of the hdds. Can someone slap me with the name. Google is not playing nice at all. |
| 19:15.45 | karlpinc | i90rr: There's probably something in the man pages -- somewhere. |
| 19:16.02 | Neobenedict_ | ok fixed rsys by killing existing process |
| 19:17.27 | karlpinc | tharkun: dmidecode?? |
| 19:17.44 | tharkun | will try it. I just can't recall. |
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| 19:20.10 | karlpinc | okee: Also, since it's a journal related error it's also possible that when you made the filesystem you put the journal somewhere else, on some other disk. And you've not configured fstab (or whatever) to find the journal. This does not sound likely, but I thought I'd mention it. |
| 19:20.59 | cheapie | x86-wise, what's the oldest CPU that Debian will run on? I know it works on a Pentium, but how about a 486? 386? |
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| 19:21.17 | greycat | I'm pretty sure 80386 support was dropped years ago. Not sure about 80486. |
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| 19:24.39 | RoyK | sorry for reposting, but ... trying to setup nfs without kerberos between two jessie machines - a vm being the client, the host being the server (kvm things). I'm trying sec=sys, the remote uid/gid are matched, and nothing works - permission denied - any ideas? |
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| 19:26.33 | jmd | Is there a way to get more elaborate backtraces in python exceptions? |
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| 19:31.37 | dfh | Hey. I managed to create a custom xkb keymap. But... Where do I find the config to actually set it? Running Jessie w/ Gnome... |
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| 19:32.58 | jzaksh | dfh: xbcomp your.xkb, i believe |
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| 19:34.08 | tharkun | cheapie: The processing power to run a linux kernel is considerable. 386 ran *nix kernel but it was a pain to run . 486 also ran them but X was impossible to be run. If you really want to go to the very early starts research when redhat and debian began to run and research the available cpu on the time. |
| 19:34.32 | dfh | Yeah I thought about that jzaksh, but it seems so, unclean... There's got to be somewhere to just set it? |
| 19:34.40 | cheapie | tharkun: Heh, I don't mean run as in "run well", but rather "boot if you're patient enough". |
| 19:34.44 | greycat | X was not "impossible to run" on a 486. I did it. |
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| 19:35.18 | tharkun | greycat: Yes, it did ran but it wasn't pretty to run it there. |
| 19:35.33 | greycat | It was what we had at the time. |
| 19:35.39 | dfh | If I add the layout to evdev.xml Gnome seems to pick it up and show it in the keyboard preferences GUI. But I rather not add it there... |
| 19:36.06 | jmd | Has anyone managed to get gnome-orca working in Jessie? |
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| 19:36.30 | jhutchins | jmd: Someone was asking about orca earlier... |
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| 19:36.35 | jzaksh | dfh: ~/.Xkeymap or ~/.xinitrc? |
| 19:36.52 | jmd | jhutchins: I think it was me.... :/ |
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| 19:37.12 | jzaksh | jmd: what's not working for you? |
| 19:37.21 | jmd | I just wondered if it was supposed to be a stable thing or if I'm wasting my time trying. |
| 19:37.25 | tharkun | cheapie: I recently ran a very stripped down version of debian on some machine that only had 64MB ram I treted it as if it was almost an embedded system. I just can't recall the cpu. But it was probably a first gen pentium. |
| 19:37.42 | jmd | jzaksh: It shows errors on startup. |
| 19:37.55 | jzaksh | jmd: can you share them in a pastie? |
| 19:38.06 | eirirs | "ERROR: device-mapper target type "raid45" is not in the kernel" , but I got module raid456. I see its an issue been known for ~10 years. When is it gonna be solved ? |
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| 19:38.34 | jmcnaught | jmd: i just went to gnome settings, universal access, turned on screen reading and it started working immediately |
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| 19:38.40 | eirirs | I'm using debian jessie |
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| 19:39.54 | dedgecumbe | tharkun: there is a distinction between running the modern kernel and userspace on a 486 |
| 19:40.03 | dedgecumbe | tharkun: and the kernel and userspace that existed at the time on 486 |
| 19:40.05 | dedgecumbe | :) |
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| 19:40.48 | dedgecumbe | it's a bit like running firefox 40+ on a pentium 4 era machine with 512mb ram - the browser wasn't swapping all the time back then, it does now though :P |
| 19:40.50 | eirirs | anyone? |
| 19:41.02 | jmd | jzaksh: http://paste.lisp.org/display/310321 |
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| 19:42.31 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en says "Debian jessie will not run on 486 or earlier processors" |
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| 19:43.00 | greycat | 80486 support was dropped in squeeze, it goes on to say. |
| 19:43.46 | cheapie | greycat: Thanks. |
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| 19:45.09 | jzaksh | jmd: quick skim of https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2013-April/msg00177.html makes me think you're just missing python package that provides bindings that orca needs. tl;dr maybe see output of `dpkg -S python3-speechd`. but jmcnaught has a workign setup, so maybe that's a better person to tell you packages do/don't work |
| 19:45.38 | jmcnaught | gnome-orca works out of the box in gnome |
| 19:45.51 | jhutchins | There have been projects that aimed to develop current versions of Linux that would still run on older hardware, but mostly they've died off. |
| 19:46.03 | jmd | jmcnaught: not for me it doesn't :( |
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| 19:46.54 | Walakea | can Debian handle SSD disks? |
| 19:47.01 | jmcnaught | jmd: how did you install gnome? |
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| 19:47.06 | jhutchins | eirirs: It'll be solved when someone cares enough about the problem to do the work. |
| 19:47.07 | jmd | apt-get install |
| 19:47.09 | dontknow | Walakea, yes |
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| 19:47.28 | jmcnaught | jmd: apt-get install what? |
| 19:47.46 | Walakea | i mean if it optimises the use of SSD, not just if it can use it |
| 19:47.52 | jmd | gnome-desktop-environment I think. I don't really remember. |
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| 19:49.04 | jmd | Walakea: How would the optimisation of SSD be different to the optimisaiton of any other kind of non-volatile memory? |
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| 19:49.42 | cheapie | Walakea: Other than making sure that you mount ext* FSes with "discard" or btrfs with "ssd", there's not much to do in that regard. |
| 19:50.08 | cheapie | (I think btrfs might do automatic SSD detection, but I'm not sure about that) |
| 19:50.31 | zykotick9 | cheapie: for ext* "discard" isn't really the best option... manually running fstrim is typically viewed as better... ymmv |
| 19:50.36 | Walakea | ssd life time is dictated by number of write cycles |
| 19:50.38 | dontknow | Walakea, i am using trim enabled lvm luks ssd |
| 19:50.53 | jmcnaught | jmd: do any of the other universal access features work if you turn them on in gnome settings? |
| 19:51.12 | jmd | How do I access "gnome settings" ? |
| 19:51.47 | jmcnaught | jmd: click on the top-right corner, click on the screwdriver/wrench icon. Are you in Gnome? |
| 19:51.57 | jmd | ??? |
| 19:52.00 | cheapie | That actually reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask... I'm using ext4 on an SSD in this computer here. I know that the "discard" mount option supports sending TRIM commands to ATA SSDs, but does it work with NVMe's "deallocate" command as well? |
| 19:52.11 | jmd | I'm used to typing "orca" and orca starts. |
| 19:52.11 | dontknow | zykotick9, how do you run fstrim manually? |
| 19:52.29 | zykotick9 | dontknow: "fstrim -v /" in my case. |
| 19:52.34 | jmd | I don't seem to have a command called "gnome-settings" |
| 19:52.42 | jmcnaught | jmd: are you in gnome? |
| 19:52.55 | jmd | What do you mean "in gnome" ? |
| 19:53.15 | greycat | Running a gnome session. |
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| 19:53.23 | jmcnaught | jmd: the error you pasted makes me think you're using a different window manager or DE that isn't gnome, one that doesn't have the features that gnome-orca requires |
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| 19:54.11 | jzaksh | jmd: fwiw, i'm in gnome3, i can type `orca` and hear "screen reader on" on my speakers, and i already had python3-speechd installed |
| 19:54.29 | cheapie | tries out fstrim |
| 19:54.31 | jzaksh | (but also.. knowing if your in gnome is probably a better first step0 |
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| 19:54.46 | jmd | Orca always used to work without a window manager. But anyway how would I "go in to gnome"? |
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| 19:55.05 | jmcnaught | jmd: log out of your session, select gnome on the login screen |
| 19:55.25 | jmd | Huh. You mean gnome classic? |
| 19:55.36 | jmcnaught | jmd: just regular gnome |
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| 19:55.49 | zykotick9 | cheapie: if you are using encrypted-lvm, you need to do some configuring before it'll work by default. |
| 19:55.56 | cheapie | I'm not. |
| 19:56.02 | zykotick9 | ok... |
| 19:56.06 | jmd | How do I "select gnome" |
| 19:56.26 | jmcnaught | jmd: if you are using the GDM login screen, there is a gear icon |
| 19:56.35 | jmd | I'm using gdm3 that selection thing was deprecated if I recall correctly. |
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| 19:57.41 | jmd | logs out |
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| 19:59.45 | jmd | jmcnaught: I think I am now "in" gnome. |
| 19:59.51 | jmd | What do I do now? |
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| 20:00.44 | okee | karlpinc> The error appears to come from all other drives besides Jessie's. So I can't access drives with windows, nor with Centos. I didn't put the journal elsewhere, and all this trouble came from the upgrade to Jessie. Just got back from lunch, so I am going to proceed with unmounting the drives. |
| 20:01.33 | jmcnaught | jmd: click on the top right corner, click on the icon with the tools (or press super button, then type settings). Go to Universal access, turn on the screen reader |
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| 20:02.38 | jmd | What is the "super button"? |
| 20:02.55 | jmcnaught | jmd: windows logo key |
| 20:03.29 | jmcnaught | we have to call it super because the windows trademark violates the DFSG |
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| 20:04.30 | jmd | The super key just makes all my windows go small/ |
| 20:04.31 | jmd | . |
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| 20:05.03 | dontknow | lol |
| 20:05.06 | jmcnaught | jmd: on that screen you can select a window, or start typing to launch a program. |
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| 20:05.24 | dontknow | it is gnome-shell feature |
| 20:05.32 | jmd | Ok. I think I have "Screenreader" switched on. |
| 20:05.38 | jmd | What do I do now? |
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| 20:07.16 | jmcnaught | jmd: now in the top-right do you have a new icon/drop-down menu that looks like a stick-figure of a person in a circle? |
| 20:07.16 | teraflops | In Gnome super key + arrow keys do a kind of tilling thing |
| 20:07.32 | jmd | jmcnaught: Yes I see that. |
| 20:07.45 | jmcnaught | jmd: and when you click on it, does it say screen reader is on? |
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| 20:08.15 | jmd | Well I have a german localisation, but yes I think is says bildschimleser is on. |
| 20:08.34 | jmd | (Those silly slide things are difficult to tell which is on and which is off) |
| 20:08.45 | jmcnaught | jmd: at this point it should be talking to you. i have english locale and it says "screen reader on" as soon as i turn it on |
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| 20:09.02 | jmd | No. It's not talking to me. |
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| 20:09.59 | jmd | When one is "in gnome" where does the stdout go? |
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| 20:10.13 | greycat | Nowhere. |
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| 20:10.24 | greycat | Unless of course you open a terminal, and run something in the terminal. |
| 20:10.31 | jmd | So how do I see the error messages or know if any command has worked? |
| 20:10.39 | jmd | (or not) |
| 20:10.58 | greycat | Oh, errors might be logged somewhere. You can try every dot file beginning with .g or .x to see if one of them looks like an error log. |
| 20:11.17 | greycat | And also look in ~/.cache/ because reasons. |
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| 20:11.46 | greycat | (Why make it EASY for the user, when you can get a bunch of people to intermittently follow a brand-new made-up standard of your own devising?) |
| 20:13.06 | jmd | jmcnaught: So where did we get to? |
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| 20:13.50 | jmcnaught | jmd: i'm not sure if gnome-orca's speech backend requires special files for german or not |
| 20:13.56 | markybob | i'm wondering if this is as funny as your sound being muted |
| 20:14.33 | jmd | jmcnaught: At this stage I don't care what language its talking. I just want to test accessibility. |
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| 20:14.49 | greycat | Does *any* audio work? |
| 20:14.55 | jmd | markybob: espeak works fine. |
| 20:15.21 | jmcnaught | jmd: like i said it works out of the box in gnome in english for me. i'm trying to see if there is some sort of german language package you need or something |
| 20:15.58 | jmd | That would be bizarre. |
| 20:16.03 | jmcnaught | jmd: i don't read german, but does https://wiki.debian.org/de/Orca mention anything about that? or could you try changing the language in gnome to see if it works in english? |
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| 20:16.17 | axc1298 | to replace libav with ffmpeg, would i just purge libav-tools and install ffmpeg? |
| 20:16.26 | jmd | How do I change the language in Gnome? |
| 20:16.49 | jmcnaught | jmd: settings > region and language |
| 20:16.53 | jzaksh | jmcnaught: do you have that python package installed? the traceback jmd posted was indicating some missing python bindings, if i understood it correctly. if orca works for you and you *do* have that package, then it might be a good next bet |
| 20:16.55 | eiche | by chance someone could point out the error in my sources.list? https://safepaste.org/31f776ed#5dfed6af69381fd8a9298f28cfab5ed33f84c30e4b2aa963ce7640dab8d2b375 |
| 20:17.11 | jmd | jzaksh: which python package? |
| 20:17.30 | jmcnaught | jzaksh: jmd: if you mean python3-speechd then yes i have it |
| 20:17.30 | jzaksh | python3-speechd |
| 20:19.10 | jmd | jmcnaught: "Sorry to be ignorant. But I don't understand your shorthand". What exactly does "settings > region and language". What do I have to type (or click) ? |
| 20:19.38 | jmcnaught | i just stopped the speech-dispatcher service and ran "orca -t" to see what would happen in a terminal. it starts speaking right away, wants me to pick a desired speech server. |
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| 20:19.53 | jmd | jmcnaught: I will try that. |
| 20:19.55 | jzaksh | eiche: do you care specifically about using ftp and specifical ftp.ch.debian.org? to test maybe try http://httpredir.debian.org/debian |
| 20:19.56 | jmcnaught | jmd: the same gnome settings place you went to last time has a regions and language section |
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| 20:21.08 | jmd | I dont see anything like "regions and language" there. |
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| 20:21.29 | jmcnaught | jmd: it should be in the "personal" section, the top row |
| 20:21.44 | eiche | jzaksh: i tried that already, same result =( |
| 20:22.21 | jmd | Sorry. I type "settings" in that little box in the middle, and I see the file manager icon appear. When I hit enter the file manager settings dialog opens. Is that the one you mean? |
| 20:22.22 | jzaksh | eiche: so you replaced the ftp URLs with that redirector URL? (or just commented out the ftp URLs?) |
| 20:22.24 | eiche | just gave it another try (incase of prior typos) - still the same |
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| 20:23.00 | eiche | jzaksh: |
| 20:23.03 | eiche | https://safepaste.org/fbd1c21a#3f75b5704f94e5719c0cb91ec2964e23a1d8b20c6d319c58c2b9f1753e27d36b |
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| 20:23.23 | jmd | "orca -t" says "speech is unavailable". |
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| 20:24.52 | jzaksh | eiche: and the `apt-get update` output with that file ^? |
| 20:25.22 | BinBasher | is there a better way than http://debian.semistable.com/releases.gif to get an idea of the next jessie update? |
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| 20:25.37 | jmcnaught | jmd: do you have speech-dispatcher running? you can check with "systemctl status speech-dispatcher" |
| 20:26.08 | jmcnaught | jmd: also while orca is running you can access its preferences with Insert+Space |
| 20:26.22 | eiche | jzaksh: https://safepaste.org/32774ba4#94922794b1527ea42f95b3f7c227099c592888fb3c9509505ba7bdf19a13472b |
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| 20:27.38 | jmcnaught | jmd: you could also try moving ~/.local/share/orca somewhere else temporarily, and starting orca again (it should regenerate this directory with defaults) |
| 20:27.55 | jmd | jmcnaught: It says the speech dispatcher is "Active: active (exited)" |
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| 20:28.11 | jmd | That seems like a contradiction to me. |
| 20:28.34 | jmcnaught | jmd: that's what it says for me, it just means systemd will launch it if something tries to connect to it |
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| 20:29.48 | tharkun | Why on earth if I want to install texlive I need to install X on a headless server? |
| 20:30.02 | greycat | because of some dependency, I would think |
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| 20:30.23 | greycat | Debian package suites are typically *not* aimed at the headless/low-machine-spec crowd. |
| 20:30.45 | koollman | sometimes they are not hard dependancy, merely 'recommends' that are added by default |
| 20:30.52 | tharkun | greycat: Thanks I'll tailor to my needs. Thanks |
| 20:30.54 | koollman | (I'm guessing something like xdvi) |
| 20:31.33 | jmd | tharkun: You can always install xvfb if that's a problem. |
| 20:31.43 | greycat | By the way, having X libs and even a few X client apps is not always a bad thing. You may ssh -X in some day and want to launch a remote xterm or something. |
| 20:32.08 | koollman | you can try with --no-install-recommends, to :) |
| 20:32.44 | tharkun | greycat: Believe me X on an internet reachable server is asking for trouble. Regardless of the services provided. |
| 20:32.54 | greycat | I didn't say to run an X server. |
| 20:33.05 | tharkun | Yes, I know. |
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| 20:34.25 | okee | karlpinc> What would be the command for unmounting the file system in the problematic drives ?? |
| 20:35.06 | jhutchins | okee: umount |
| 20:35.07 | greycat | umount /directory or umount /dev/thedevice |
| 20:35.22 | okee | umount? Or unmount? |
| 20:35.26 | greycat | umount |
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| 20:36.41 | jmcnaught | jmd: have you made any progress? i would consider creating a test user account and logging into gnome with that user to see if orca works there. If it does, it indicates that you have changed a setting somewhere in your own account that is messing things up. |
| 20:36.45 | jzaksh | eiche: hmm.. sorry idk :( i would say try other specific mirrors listed on debian.org/mirror/list until you get a non-problematic apt-get update |
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| 20:38.06 | jzaksh | eiche: also maybe join an austria channel and ask if others have problems: https://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups#Austria (but someone here might have better answers than me anyway) |
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| 20:39.17 | jmd | jmcnaught: I will try that. |
| 20:39.32 | tharkun | greycat: There is no way to get rid of X11 Inter-Client Exchange library. really a bug on the texlive/(anything latex in debian) packaging. |
| 20:39.41 | eiche | jzaksh: hmm i see thanks, though i did already try multiple mirrors before asking here =/ |
| 20:40.28 | eiche | it's unlikely that a firewall can cause this problem right? |
| 20:40.29 | okee | greycat> Still a little foggy on the umount command. Not really sure which of the devices is the one that I am on. I don't want to umount the device I am on https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2b6235a9/ |
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| 20:41.21 | greycat | okee: use df to see what is mounted where |
| 20:42.02 | greycat | "Unable to retrieve https://paste.debian.net/... Resource temporarily unavailable" |
| 20:43.41 | jzaksh | if anyone else has had experiencing getting Ctrl+alt+FN to respond when it doesn't want to, please let me know :) |
| 20:44.11 | okee | fsck |
| 20:44.37 | okee | okee |
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| 20:45.38 | jhutchins | jzaksh: How do you know there's something to switch to? |
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| 20:46.36 | jzaksh | jhutchins: good question. i'm not sure i even understand the question :) |
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| 20:47.12 | karlpinc | jhutchins: When isn't there? I'm used to having vt1-6 from debian's of old. And after upgrade to jessie I still have them so.... |
| 20:47.20 | greycat | well, in a default jessie installation, there should be usable VTs on 1 through 6 |
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| 20:47.30 | jzaksh | this happens when my laptop lid is closed and HDMI monior was plugged in within the last minute or so (but not necessarily plugged in anymore). when i open the lid, i can ctrl+alt+F* a few times, until suddenly nothing responds anymore, and i'm stuck glaring at one of the last TTYs i saw (and music might still be playing, so i know the laptop isn't frozen) |
| 20:47.31 | greycat | you'd have to change configs to get rid of those |
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| 20:48.01 | jzaksh | jhutchins: does that indicate there *is* something to switch to? ^ |
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| 20:48.48 | karlpinc | jzaksh: Likely there is. |
| 20:48.54 | teaearlgraycold | So I'm trying out debsecan and it found 532 vulnerabilities, yet apt-get says I'm totally up to date on all of the related packages |
| 20:49.05 | karlpinc | jzaksh: Can you still type on the vt you're using? |
| 20:49.32 | jzaksh | karlpinc: by "vt" you mean the physical device? (there's only one: my laptop and its own keyboard) |
| 20:49.45 | teaearlgraycold | I'm on Jessie 8.3 |
| 20:49.53 | greycat | I think he's asking, which VT were you on before you closed the laptop's lid? |
| 20:50.14 | zykotick9 | jzaksh: <sidenote> i've experienced the same thing using jessie on a number of occasions. and this is on boring stable-main-only intel graphics, open wireless drivers, laptops... best of luck. |
| 20:50.29 | jzaksh | greycat: karlpinc ah, when i close the laptop i'm always in gnome (i think F8? .. if that's an answer) |
| 20:50.31 | karlpinc | jzaksh: I'm asking if, when you press keys, anything happens at all. |
| 20:50.32 | greycat | And was that VT running an X session, or a console session, or something else? |
| 20:50.45 | jhutchins | jzaksh: Technically when switching within consoles you don't need Ctrl. |
| 20:50.52 | greycat | If you're in jessie, your GNOME session is probably on VT 1. |
| 20:51.03 | greycat | If you're in wheezy, probably on VT 7. |
| 20:51.08 | jzaksh | karlpinc: yeah. to answer that: no nothing happens when i type into the keyboard (well.. nothign so far as i can tell) |
| 20:51.24 | jzaksh | also i should note this is some info on my system: https://dpaste.de/yFDg/raw/ |
| 20:51.29 | karlpinc | jzaksh: Ah. Something bad happens with X. |
| 20:51.30 | jhutchins | greycat: Has Jessie gone to X on 1 and one console on 2? |
| 20:51.57 | greycat | jhutchins: dynamically allocated consoles on 1 through 6, but the X session on VT1 overrrides the first one. |
| 20:52.07 | karlpinc | jzaksh: I suppose it's possible that there's some indication of the problem in your X log. You |
| 20:52.17 | okee | karlpinc> I have unmounted sdb2, sdb3, ran fsck, but getting an error command not found. Why am I receiving this error? |
| 20:52.23 | karlpinc | 'd have to somehow get access (like by reboot) to the log. |
| 20:52.36 | jzaksh | jhutchins: when closing the lid, it was running whatever the default(?) is when you install gnome from repositories (I'm guessing gdm n X session?) |
| 20:52.39 | karlpinc | okee: You are root? |
| 20:52.41 | jhutchins | okee: Are you running it as root? |
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| 20:52.57 | karlpinc | okee: (And how did you get to be root if so.) |
| 20:53.18 | okee | karlpinc> su |
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| 20:53.45 | karlpinc | okee: You probably want "su -" (which is "su -l"). Otherwise your PATH env var does not include what root has on login. |
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| 20:54.06 | jzaksh | greycat: ah. you're point about which VT (and i'm on "sid" i believe... i'm new to debian) reminds me: when i get ot Ctrl+Alt+F1 is *specifically* when i suddenly get no response anymroe |
| 20:54.08 | greycat | karlpinc: that's not true at all. |
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| 20:54.23 | karlpinc | greycat: ? |
| 20:54.25 | jzaksh | tries to write up steps/behavior more specifically in a pastie |
| 20:54.29 | greycat | "su" with no arguments gives you a nonlogin root shell with a specific PATH (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin) |
| 20:54.40 | karlpinc | jzaksh: If you're on sid and new to debian you're in trouble. |
| 20:54.46 | karlpinc | !tell jzaksh about debian-next |
| 20:54.48 | jzaksh | karlpinc: ha |
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| 20:55.27 | jzaksh | karlpinc: oh, great. thanks for that |
| 20:55.40 | karlpinc | greycat: Not last I looked. Let me try. |
| 20:55.50 | greycat | I just did it on jessie, but feel free to try |
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| 20:56.24 | karlpinc | greycat: You're right. |
| 20:56.39 | greycat | karlpinc: ah, man page says it comes from ENV_SUPATH in /etc/login.defs |
| 20:56.47 | zykotick9 | greycat: i know you don't like bash-completion, but it certainly requires "su -" to get access to a lot of automatic root-only completions... why i like karlpinc's suggestion myself. |
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| 20:57.02 | greycat | Who the fuck uses bash-completion?! |
| 20:57.09 | zykotick9 | \o |
| 20:57.43 | greycat | well, I'm not going to install it and try to figure out what a "root-only completion" is that I could test.... |
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| 20:58.32 | karlpinc | okee: So, you still get command not found? Perhaps you should paste your command and the response somewhere so we can look. |
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| 20:59.18 | zykotick9 | just points to the "# apt-get <TAB>" will list apt-get commands and will letter tab complete. when you're non-root, this doesn't work. |
| 20:59.41 | okee | I got the Centos file system fixed, but having problem with the Linux Utilies file system. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/0324a966/ |
| 20:59.54 | karlpinc | jzaksh: This may be helpful.... |
| 20:59.59 | karlpinc | !tell jzaksh about overview |
| 21:01.08 | zykotick9 | omg, it does work for non-root. i was wrong, sorry for daring to question greycat ;) |
| 21:01.24 | BinBasher | There's a typo in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades ; search for "shuting" |
| 21:02.12 | teraflops | completion is quite helpful if you do cli/tiling wm all the time. I can understand that people dislikes bash-completion sice it's useless compared to zsh completion |
| 21:02.13 | jmcnaught | zykotick9: there's a bunch of stuff that apt-get can do as non-root, like changelog, download, source, --simulate |
| 21:02.45 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: agreed, but i didn't thing the bash-autocomplete covered it. |
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| 21:04.22 | jmcnaught | okee: if that filesystem belongs to another distro, i hope that distro can still use it by the time you're done with it :) |
| 21:04.35 | jzaksh | karlpinc: ah. i think (after trying to write up steps) i just realized my problem is something happens to gnome/X11, but doesn't not everything crashes, making me believe if i just try other TTYs I'll find it happily displaying somewhere. but as greycat pointed out, TTY1 is where it would be. and on reflection, that's actually what i see when i open the lid: a text-TTY1 login prompt (rather than gdm) |
| 21:04.45 | jzaksh | takes his drama to #debian-next |
| 21:04.46 | jzaksh | thanks all |
| 21:07.20 | teraflops | this is helpful, doesn't it? https://ptpb.pw/3ad8.webm |
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| 21:07.58 | okee | karlpinc> I have run fsck on the two errant file systems, but still having problems https://paste.debian.net/hidden/8560eb8c/ Any idea how to get rid of these errors? Why is the journal still messed up? Fsck now indicates things are clean. |
| 21:08.00 | jzaksh | wants that |
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| 21:09.29 | okee | karlpinc> sdb2 appears to be the Centos drive, and sdb3 appears to be the swap file, so there are no critical data issues at stake. |
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| 21:12.49 | okee | karlpinc> Now getting an error that sdb2 is not found fstab https://paste.debian.net/hidden/0ae613df/ How do I fix that one? |
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| 21:13.15 | somiaj | sounds like you need to edit your fstab |
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| 21:13.42 | somiaj | okee: ahh you have to give that a mount point, so mount /dev/sdb2 /location/to/mount |
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| 21:13.53 | somiaj | okee: since you didn't give it a mount point it looks in fstab and didn't find one |
| 21:14.29 | jzaksh | teraflops: how do you get that bash-completion columnar highlighting behavior? or is that zsh? |
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| 21:15.24 | teraflops | jzaksh: zsh. you can do a kind of same thing with bash but still worst |
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| 21:19.01 | okee | somiaj> What should be the destination directory? |
| 21:19.46 | anonnumberanon | Hi. Debian stable. How do I know if my laptop may have a bluetooth module in it? |
| 21:20.01 | somiaj | okee: I don't know what you are trying to do. /media/foo is the common defaults for lots of automounters. I use /mnt and /usb on my system [for temprory places to mount things]. If the file system is meant to live in a specific plcae put it there. |
| 21:20.14 | somiaj | !bluez |
| 21:20.45 | somiaj | anonnumberanon: https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser -- maybe that will help. |
| 21:21.15 | anonnumberanon | somiaj, Thanks. |
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| 21:23.47 | okee | somiaj> I don't where it is supposed to live, and that is my problem. sdb2 and sdb3 represent the Centos and the swap file. |
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| 21:24.04 | greycat | okee: mkdir /centos or something similar. Mount it there. |
| 21:24.42 | okee | greycat> It is a different drive than what the Debian system is on. |
| 21:24.56 | greycat | So make a directory for it. Call it whatever you like. |
| 21:25.25 | karlpinc | !tell okee about fhs |
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| 21:25.30 | greycat | Bleh. |
| 21:25.43 | greycat | Just do what you want and fuck those sticks-up-ass people who invent standards. |
| 21:25.44 | karlpinc | greycat: Thanks for fixing my brain. |
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| 21:26.16 | greycat | FHS is not intended to restrict system owners/admins anyway. It's meant to reign in the application vendors. |
| 21:26.22 | karlpinc | greycat: "Standard is better than better." :-) |
| 21:26.23 | greycat | rein* |
| 21:26.32 | karlpinc | greycat: R |
| 21:26.48 | karlpinc | greycat: Fine, but it's still nice to have some guidance. |
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| 21:27.08 | greycat | /dev/sda10 201454560 150658164 40540012 79% /stuff |
| 21:27.12 | markybob | in this case "do whatever the fuck you want" is good guidance. it couldn't matter less |
| 21:27.14 | okee | karlpinc> Would the following command work mount /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdb2 |
| 21:27.26 | karlpinc | okee: No. |
| 21:27.29 | greycat | okee: jesus, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU |
| 21:27.44 | teraflops | heh |
| 21:27.50 | greycat | okee: mkdir -p /centos; mount /dev/sdb2 /centos |
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| 21:27.58 | karlpinc | okee: No. Er. I mean: jesus, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU |
| 21:28.21 | greycat | karlpinc: You have to reach through the wires and type on his keyboard for him. |
| 21:28.53 | karlpinc | greycat: He's probably just new to this stuff. Maybe his brain is full. |
| 21:29.21 | somiaj | okee: swap file? You should not be mounting swap partitions. You can use them with swapon (man swapon for more info) |
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| 21:29.24 | karlpinc | okee: Just kidding. |
| 21:29.42 | greycat | Don't touch the Centos swap file. You don't need it, unless you ran out of room in your Debian one. |
| 21:29.46 | okee | karlpinc> hit my head when i was a child :( |
| 21:30.02 | karlpinc | okee: You might do with a quick reading of some of the relevant parts of the debian sysadmin manual at debian.org to get up to speed on concepts. |
| 21:30.07 | somiaj | okee: i.e. are sdb2 and sdb3 swap partitions, or are they your centos partitions and you just want to be able to access them? |
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| 21:30.22 | greycat | He said sdb2 is a file system(?) and sdb3 is swap. |
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| 21:30.52 | somiaj | ahh missed that, just responding to "sdb2 and sdb3 represent the Centos and the swap file." |
| 21:30.55 | greycat | Also: 14:09 okee> greycat> All drives other than Jessie are encrypted |
| 21:31.05 | karlpinc | But, he's still getting "journal not found" on sdb2. Which means something bad-ish. Or at least possibly bad-ish. Something's not right. |
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| 21:31.18 | greycat | I know *nothing* about encrypted file systems/partitions/drives, so I cannot help with any aspect of that part. |
| 21:31.22 | anonnumberanon | somiaj, That didn't help the guid assumes you already know whether or not the hardware carries a bluetooth module. |
| 21:31.40 | jmcnaught | if /dev/sdb2 was encrypted, why was fsck run on it? |
| 21:31.43 | somiaj | anonnumberanon: dmesg is a good place to look, try 'dmesg | grep -i blue' |
| 21:31.49 | okee | somiaj> I think sdb2 is the centos, and sdb3 is the swap. I just want to access them. incidentally I did create the centos directory, and tried to mount /dev/sdb2/centos and it still can't find it in fstab This is likely due to the fact that the directory was created on a drive different than the drive that needs attention. |
| 21:32.05 | markybob | oh my |
| 21:32.19 | greycat | okee: THERE HAS TO BE A SPACE BETWEEN /dev/sdb2 AND /centos |
| 21:32.21 | markybob | okee: you need to pay attention |
| 21:32.33 | somiaj | okee: it dones't matter that it is not inyour fstab, just specify where you want it. /media/centos might be a good palce to put it that follows where debian likes to mount things, but /centos works fine(provided you have created that directory) |
| 21:32.40 | anonnumberanon | somiaj, Looks like I have a bluetooth module.. |
| 21:32.54 | greycat | somiaj: it searched fstab because he only gave one argument instead of two arguments, because he omitted the space and one of the slashes |
| 21:33.06 | greycat | err, skip the part about a slash. just the space. |
| 21:33.14 | somiaj | anonnumberanon: then it must have detected the hardware and loaded it. I think bluez or something along tha tline it the name of the software. |
| 21:33.24 | somiaj | anonnumberanon: apt-cache search bluez |
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| 21:34.31 | anonnumberanon | Yes I turned it on somiaj . This was before I checked the actual hardware. It showed it was running but I wasn't sure whether or not that was just some demon is running, or if the driver has actually connected to actual hardware. |
| 21:35.38 | somiaj | anonnumberanon: I don't know much more than that. I don't use bluetooh on my own hardware. |
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| 21:37.37 | anonnumberanon | yEAH THE hard part will be later cause I'm developing a phone app using bluetooth |
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| 21:40.03 | G33KY | How can I change the resolution of a console-environment debian install? I have edited /etc/default/grub and added GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768x24 and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD="keep" and while that changes the resolution of the GRUB boot loader menu the Debian console is still at its squashed res. |
| 21:40.40 | somiaj | G33KY: a lot of info on this is out dated with using KMS drivers for lots of hardware. First does your video hardare use a KMS driver? |
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| 21:41.12 | G33KY | It's a VirtualBox install, is there a cmd on Debian to determine if it has a KMS driver? |
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| 21:42.12 | somiaj | G33KY: it is called modsetting and depends on what module is loaded. |
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| 21:42.57 | somiaj | G33KY: you can also see if dpkg-reconfigure console-setup helps you. It has some options (one is keep the boot font/resolution) |
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| 21:45.34 | somiaj | G33KY: don't know much more (I don't worry about console fonts/size anymore, usually a kms driver will correctly find a good resolution from the EDID of the monintor). |
| 21:46.16 | G33KY | Ok thanks for the info, you're better than what a lot of google provides |
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| 22:10.53 | G33KY | Ah, i fixed it. I was using GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD instead of GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX |
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| 22:22.45 | BinBasher | http://paste.debian.net/416125/ can anyone fill me in on what specific kind of updates the "o=" lines do? |
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| 22:23.51 | MrBanan | Gawd, I have been raving in #slackliux for 40 min how much I hate systemd and how much I loved debian... #debian traitors to posix... oh well.. The world will burn. |
| 22:24.26 | MrBanan | binary logging... |
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| 22:24.38 | BinBasher | especially proposed-updates, does this mean proposed (but not yet accepted) updates get updated? |
| 22:26.05 | MrBanan | *actually shedding a trear to debian betrail* |
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| 22:26.18 | MrBanan | binary logging... |
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| 22:28.26 | MrBanan | Bye Debian. Hello Slackware |
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| 22:34.57 | gnudevotee | To those who have not tainted their sources.list I wish you a very Happy GNUvidad! May He be with us for a long time! |
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| 22:36.01 | TomTomTosch | a happy GNUvidad to you too. |
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| 22:37.03 | gnudevotee | TomTomTosch, are you a devotee too? |
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| 22:40.35 | TomTomTosch | gnudevotee, yes, but if you want to talk you should head over to #debian-offtopic. here is not a good place ;) |
| 22:41.04 | gnudevotee | ok |
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| 23:02.14 | TomTomTosch | jmcnaught, markybob, done. it sucked, but it works. turns out the package fron sid is not very stable though. who would have thought. |
| 23:05.05 | markybob | TomTomTosch: heh, nice. never used mate myself. or cinnamon. |
| 23:05.28 | markybob | TomTomTosch: i like it simple :P |
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| 23:09.52 | BinBasher | gnudevotee: do you use gnash? :-) |
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| 23:10.53 | TomTomTosch | markybob, i agree. but now i will never have to look up the commands for backporting again. typing it out a hundred times was enough x) |
| 23:10.56 | gnudevotee | BinBasher, not at present |
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| 23:16.41 | BinBasher | does the sources.list get updated upon a new debian release (which will be stretch) ? |
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| 23:18.33 | BinBasher | for example, will "jessie" get replaced by "stretch" automatically, will it just reset to a new file or will nothing change (thus breaking things) |
| 23:19.33 | TomTomTosch | BinBasher, nothing breaks, nothing changes, you have to change it yourself. |
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| 23:20.50 | bezzi | BinBasher: jessie will always be jessie, but stable will change from jessie |
| 23:21.00 | TomTomTosch | BinBasher, you have a problem if your file says stable though. |
| 23:21.14 | bezzi | agreed |
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| 23:21.32 | BinBasher | TomTomTosch: you mean my sources.list ? |
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| 23:22.03 | bezzi | BinBasher: your src.list has to be manually modified by you, or a program, your os will not auto update that file afaik |
| 23:22.44 | BinBasher | alright thanks |
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| 23:23.54 | BinBasher | TomTomTosch: how is it troublesome if it says stable? |
| 23:25.34 | TomTomTosch | BinBasher, if you have a line like deb mirror.net stable main and there is a new release, then it will suddenly change your source. |
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| 23:27.56 | BinBasher | TomTomTosch: isn't that how we all upgrade and change the source later? o.O |
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| 23:30.59 | TomTomTosch | BinBasher, your sources can either point to a release name or a release class. usually you point to a release name and upgrade to the next release whenever you feel like it. |
| 23:31.50 | TomTomTosch | BinBasher, a release name is for example jessie, wheezy. a release class is stable, testing, oldstable |
| 23:32.28 | TomTomTosch | BinBasher, a release name moves from testing, to stable, to oldstable ... |
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| 23:33.49 | BinBasher | TomTomTosch: yes, but with this method I'd have to manually change the sources when advancing in release name right? |
| 23:34.02 | TomTomTosch | BinBasher, yes. |
| 23:34.13 | BinBasher | alright ^_^ |
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| 23:36.47 | TomTomTosch | if you have important services running it would be a bad idea to point to a release class. the default after installation is the release name. |
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| 23:38.29 | BinBasher | why would it be a bad idea though? isn't stable the one thing not to worry about? |
| 23:38.55 | markybob | BinBasher: because when testing (now stretch) becames stable it'll break things |
| 23:39.06 | markybob | BinBasher: you need to then follow the release notes and do dist-upgrade |
| 23:39.53 | BinBasher | ahh okay |
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| 23:39.57 | markybob | BinBasher: if you use release names you won't have that problem. you'll always follow jessie even when it becomes oldstable |
| 23:41.28 | BinBasher | I forgot about dist-upgrade there, hehe |
| 23:42.03 | markybob | BinBasher: there's bigger problems. for example when jessie became stable it broke apache badly |
| 23:42.23 | markybob | BinBasher: so you need to stay within your release until you're ready |
| 23:43.05 | BinBasher | okay I'll keep an eye on it in a year or so :P |
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| 23:43.13 | BinBasher | thanks for the info |
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