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| 00:04.39 | armin | hah. just got a small QNAP nas from my dad for birthday, i didn't even try booting the pre-installed OS and just put debian on it. works perfectly. \m/ |
| 00:04.39 | civillian | Hmm.. For some reason 8.3.0 netinst is still installing init by default - I was sure I did a previous install which put systemd on by default? |
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| 00:05.48 | armin | civillian: cannot reproduce |
| 00:06.01 | markybob | civillian: it is systemd by default |
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| 00:08.08 | civillian | armin, markybob: so pid 1 is not init on your installs? |
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| 00:08.33 | somiaj | civillian: that doesn't mean it is not systemd, look at the actual init binary, ls -l /sbin/init |
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| 00:08.50 | civillian | somiaj: oh |
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| 00:09.22 | civillian | somiaj: Yeah it's symlinked. That seems a bit misleading to me. |
| 00:09.44 | markybob | civillian: needed for compatability |
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| 00:10.38 | civillian | markybob: fair enough. thanks guys |
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| 00:13.21 | ecom | I tried both the i386 and amd64 live image of Debian xfce and I get a black screen on boot. It's some setting I'm unaware of on my laptop, because the live image will boot on my laptop, anyone know what these settings are? |
| 00:13.35 | ecom | live image will boot on my desktop* |
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| 00:14.19 | mkb | ecom, do you get the bootloader? |
| 00:14.25 | markybob | ecom: live doesn't support UEFI, btw |
| 00:14.35 | ecom | markybob: I'm doing legacy |
| 00:14.59 | markybob | ecom: where did you install the bootloader? /dev/sda1? |
| 00:15.05 | ecom | mkb: No bootloader, if I the usb is inserted and I boot my computer, I just get a blackscreen |
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| 00:15.27 | markybob | ecom: oh so this is preinstall? |
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| 00:15.42 | markybob | ecom: how did you copy the iso to the usb? |
| 00:15.44 | mkb | I have encountered machines which just will not boot with a USB storage device attached |
| 00:15.55 | ecom | markybob: I use the universal usb installer |
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| 00:16.10 | markybob | ecom: don't do that. it's known to break debian installer |
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| 00:16.15 | markybob | ecom: you need to use dd or cp |
| 00:16.26 | ecom | markybob: cp? |
| 00:16.34 | markybob | ecom: yes. per the install guide |
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| 00:17.22 | markybob | ecom: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 00:17.38 | markybob | and i've gotta go. someone else will take over i'm sure |
| 00:17.41 | ecom | markybob: Do you think using another installer will make this work? I think it's a problem with a setting on my laptop or something . |
| 00:17.55 | ecom | Ah ok nvm. |
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| 00:18.56 | ecom | mkb: I also tried pressing F12, then while the boot option loads inserting the usb drive |
| 00:19.10 | TomTomTosch | ecom, did you write to the usb device on windows? |
| 00:19.23 | ecom | TomTomTosch: yes |
| 00:19.49 | ecom | TomTomTosch: it's just the live images that won't load, my net install usb will load just fine |
| 00:20.35 | TomTomTosch | i don't know what the recommended way to create a live usb from windows is, sry. |
| 00:20.59 | rose | I've used Rufus successfully many times |
| 00:21.09 | rose | https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiOlPbSucbLAhUCOSYKHd3DC34QFggjMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Frufus.akeo.ie%2F&usg=AFQjCNGeuqrM--4SkP8QoxA61Q4KwAEIHQ&sig2=T1ok27NwP2uxLnlioKduCQ |
| 00:21.29 | rose | https://rufus.akeo.ie/ |
| 00:21.46 | ecom | rose: I don't think this is an issue with how I'm burning the iso to the USB |
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| 00:28.02 | markybob | !win32diskimager |
| 00:28.02 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 00:28.06 | markybob | ecom: ^ |
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| 00:28.57 | Paul-- | hello |
| 00:29.07 | ecom | markybob: I will use that program, but I honestly don't think it'll fix my problem. I will report back. |
| 00:30.15 | Paul-- | I run nvidia-xconfig as root , and now my system don't go with X , please how may I re-configure X ? |
| 00:30.43 | Paul-- | before I used the free module nouveau for nvidia video card |
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| 00:31.30 | markybob | Paul--: how did you install nvidia? installer from their website? |
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| 00:32.31 | Paul-- | markybob: sorry, I only install nvidia-xconfig from synaptic , I'm chatting from tty3 with irssi |
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| 00:33.52 | Paul-- | I thinked synaptic resolve the dipendence , but it now was |
| 00:33.58 | markybob | Paul--: you can probably just delete you xorg.conf then. then reboot |
| 00:34.32 | Paul-- | ok |
| 00:34.38 | markybob | Paul--: or you'll need to delete the actual nvidia drivers if it brought those in. i don't use nvidia or synaptic so i'm not sure |
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| 00:36.18 | Paul-- | markybob: I try to delete it and reboot |
| 00:36.19 | somiaj | nvidia-config creats a fairly crappy xorg.conf file. You shoudl only need a few lines to tell xorg to use the nvidia driver |
| 00:36.56 | somiaj | I would remove teh xorg.conf file created by nvidia-config if that is what you did, that should at least get you back with vesa |
| 00:37.29 | TomTomTosch | and using that alone does not much good. you should probably read the wiki. |
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| 00:40.05 | Paul-- | ok now go, I deleted xorg.conf |
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| 00:48.21 | ecom | markybob: I tried the win32imager and I also tried rufus, neither worked. Still get a black screen. |
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| 00:49.08 | markybob | ecom: you're sure secure boot isn't on? |
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| 00:49.25 | ecom | markybob: Isn't that a windows 8 only setting? |
| 00:49.37 | markybob | ecom: no. bios setting |
| 00:49.53 | ecom | markybob: is it under startup? Because I don't see it there. |
| 00:50.07 | markybob | ecom: no. you have to go into bios setup |
| 00:50.33 | jim | I just became aware of a profiler called prof and something called FlameGraph, that apparantly needs libs and executables to be built with frame pointers... I'm a little curious, so I was wondering if debian's libs and progs get frame pointers? |
| 00:51.07 | ecom | markybob: I've never heard of that setting before, which heading is it under? |
| 00:51.24 | markybob | ecom: i don't know. each bios is different. search around. |
| 00:51.36 | jim | if no, I'll probably just close the page... I don't see any wisdom to rebuilding -everything- |
| 00:51.43 | ecom | markybob: I'll take a look |
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| 00:52.54 | somiaj | usually in the boot settings, where you can choose boot preferences, legacy boot, etc |
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| 00:53.29 | Paul-- | Anyone know how set virtualbox to use another partition ? |
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| 00:54.30 | somiaj | Paul--: what do you mean by that? |
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| 00:54.53 | somiaj | Paul--: usually virtualbox uses a diskimage (which is just a file) though you can give it access to partitions or other parts of your system. |
| 00:55.17 | ecom | markybob: Secure boot is not an options listed in my BIOS. I think it's only for Windows 8 after searching around, either way, there's no setting for it. |
| 00:56.29 | Paul-- | somiaj: I tried to virtualize win7 , and it need a very large space , so I had about 90Gbyte of free space, and I created a new linux id=83 partition to use with m$ win |
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| 00:57.08 | somiaj | ecom: secure boot is not part of windows. It is a hardware setting. If your machine boots with uefi and secure boot and can't disable it, you may not be able to get debian on it |
| 00:57.45 | somiaj | Paul--: and you just want to migrate this current install? |
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| 00:58.26 | Paul-- | ok, this isn't the just place to put this question, sorry :-( |
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| 01:02.23 | Paul-- | I resolved the problem , I changed the mount directory own with chgrp and chwon |
| 01:02.48 | Paul-- | somiaj: no, I don't want migrate to that bad stuff sorry, only try |
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| 01:05.49 | axc1298 | anyone here use lxde? is wicd default? |
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| 01:15.37 | ecom | Since I already dualboot windows and Debian, does that prevent me from loading a live image of debian? |
| 01:17.12 | TomTomTosch | ecom, nope. that shouldn't come into play. |
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| 01:17.59 | ecom | TomTomTosch: It's just that when I had clean harddrive I was able to boot a live image, and now that I have Debian and Windows, I'm not able to load a live image, I never touched BIOS |
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| 01:18.19 | awal1 | So guys, possible to have 'firefox-esr' and firefox standard' in one machine? |
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| 01:19.19 | somiaj | awal1: Have you tried to install both those packages in sid, at least see if there is any conflicts. |
| 01:19.50 | TomTomTosch | ecom, you can unplug your hd if you feel like it. |
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| 01:20.21 | ecom | TomTomTosch: The reason I need a live usb actually is to run fsck on /dev/sda5 which is on my hdd |
| 01:20.48 | somiaj | ecom: oh so this is a debian live image. deibn live doesn't support efi boot. |
| 01:20.54 | somiaj | and if you machine doesn't do legacy boot |
| 01:21.01 | ecom | somiaj: my machine is set to legacy only |
| 01:21.08 | ecom | somiaj: I also tried the "both" option |
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| 01:22.15 | awal1 | somiaj, I haven't tried yet. firefox-esr (iceweasel) is my main web browser, well customized and I wont broke it or something. I'll try thing it in a VT |
| 01:22.24 | awal1 | I thought maybe some have did it yet |
| 01:22.36 | somiaj | awal1: I haven't, but I do notice they are seperate packages |
| 01:23.10 | somiaj | awal1: and I don't see an explicit conflict between the two, but if they provided any of the same files it won't work |
| 01:24.15 | awal1 | somiaj, later I'll try to install them both in a VT from sources and see |
| 01:24.22 | mkb | they'll both look in .mozilla |
| 01:24.24 | awal1 | I'll let you know |
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| 01:24.40 | dreamy_ | hi osc |
| 01:25.05 | mkb | mozilla probably changes the format from time to time; I wonder if it's always backwards compatible |
| 01:25.36 | markybob | okay if mozilla is stupid. chrome stable and chrome beta use different config dirs |
| 01:25.49 | markybob | only* |
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| 01:26.01 | dreamy_ | where can i get support on undertanding an exploit instructions? |
| 01:26.26 | abrotman | dreamy_: probably not in #debian |
| 01:26.27 | dreamy_ | i want to get admin on my computer and i cant |
| 01:26.38 | dreamy_ | i forgot my password |
| 01:26.44 | mkb | boot single user and fix it |
| 01:27.11 | dreamy_ | mkb its not a normal computer i can even access the bios |
| 01:27.15 | dreamy_ | cant |
| 01:27.29 | abrotman | dreamy_: and what OS is on the computer? |
| 01:27.30 | markybob | dreamy_: then you don't. and no one here will help you hack a system |
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| 01:28.09 | dreamy_ | abrotman: it doent even says, nowhere |
| 01:28.25 | dreamy_ | its crazy micrisoft os |
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| 01:28.33 | mkb | they only make the one |
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| 01:28.45 | abrotman | dreamy_: this channel is for Debian support, not cracking your MS OS, good luck |
| 01:29.17 | ecom | This is the correct place to get the iso image correct? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
| 01:29.53 | abrotman | no |
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| 01:30.42 | awal1 | ecom, which image you want? |
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| 01:31.33 | awal1 | check them all here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ |
| 01:31.56 | ecom | awal1: it doesn't matter, I'm just trying to load any live image, but I can't seem to |
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| 01:32.15 | abrotman | Why a live image? |
| 01:33.02 | awal1 | ecom, you are trying to install debian or try it or what? |
| 01:33.44 | ecom | I need to boot a live image of Debian so I can run "fsck /dev/sda5" |
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| 01:34.06 | abrotman | why not just boot it and run that? |
| 01:34.20 | ecom | abrotman: boot what? |
| 01:34.40 | ecom | abrotman: you can't run fsck on a mounted drive |
| 01:34.55 | abrotman | which partition is that? |
| 01:35.02 | ecom | abrotman: the partition debian is on |
| 01:35.15 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.22 | ecom | Yeah it's under / |
| 01:35.28 | abrotman | under, or is? |
| 01:35.35 | abrotman | because, it will still fsck that filesystem |
| 01:35.40 | abrotman | even if it is / |
| 01:35.47 | ecom | I just need to load a live image |
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| 01:35.51 | abrotman | then get one |
| 01:35.55 | ecom | I did |
| 01:36.04 | ecom | None of them are booting |
| 01:36.09 | abrotman | at all? |
| 01:36.27 | ecom | No, if I leave the usb in my computer, and boot it up, I get a black screen. |
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| 01:36.48 | ecom | I tried using rufus, universal, win32imager, and I tried the xfce image and gnome |
| 01:36.55 | ecom | both amd64 and i386 |
| 01:37.08 | mkb | have you ever booted usb with this machine? |
| 01:37.16 | ecom | mkb: yes, that's how I installed debian |
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| 01:37.25 | mkb | with a live image? |
| 01:37.39 | ecom | mkb: no, with the netinst image, which actually boots right now, it's the live images that don't load |
| 01:37.57 | mkb | and the BIOS doesn't even load if the live image USB is attached? |
| 01:38.18 | ecom | mkb: I don't get to post (I think that's what it is) |
| 01:38.32 | mkb | is EFI involved in any way? |
| 01:38.48 | ecom | mkb: UEFI or EFI? |
| 01:39.00 | markybob | ecom: so use the netinst to fsck |
| 01:39.02 | mkb | I'm not really sure of the difference |
| 01:39.55 | ecom | markybob: I can't? I have the option of installing debian and some other things like checking ram. |
| 01:40.04 | mkb | c-a-f2 |
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| 01:40.16 | markybob | ecom: once you go into the installer you can drop to tty ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 01:40.18 | mkb | say install, wait for it to boot, and press c-a-f2 |
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| 01:41.01 | ecom | wow, I guess I can do that, but at this point I just want to figure out why I can't load a live image, I've invested an entire day to this |
| 01:41.24 | markybob | ecom: live has a lot of problems. it's why the lead developer of it left |
| 01:41.27 | mkb | ecom, is this the same USB hardware you originally installed debian from |
| 01:41.36 | mkb | it's not two different storage devices? |
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| 01:42.03 | ecom | mkb: I tried using different storage devices, same result |
| 01:42.25 | markybob | ecom: i'm not even sure what it's current status is. i just know it all went to shit not too long ago |
| 01:42.33 | ecom | I'm fairly certain that this has nothing to do with the USB or the .iso files, it's some setting on my laptop I have no idea about. |
| 01:42.36 | mkb | really it points to a buggy BIOS if it fails to boot if the USB contains certain data |
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| 01:43.14 | markybob | not if netinst works |
| 01:43.48 | ecom | What else can I try at this point? Any ideas? |
| 01:44.01 | mkb | if it consistently fails with one and not with the other... |
| 01:44.02 | markybob | ecom: i thought i told you how to use netinst to fsck? |
| 01:44.23 | ecom | markybob: yes, I will do that to run fsck, but I'd really like to figure out how to load a live image |
| 01:44.40 | mkb | I hate to ask, but does the CD boot? |
| 01:44.49 | ecom | mkb: CD? |
| 01:44.52 | markybob | ecom: i told you it's buggy as hell and the lead developer left. don't know what else to tell you |
| 01:44.58 | ecom | mkb: the usb drive? |
| 01:45.04 | mkb | no a CD of this thing |
| 01:45.17 | ecom | mkb: I don't even have a disk reader on my laptop |
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| 01:45.50 | mkb | well you can see I'm out of other ideas |
| 01:46.31 | ecom | I'm going to try another image, I haven't tried KDE before |
| 01:46.44 | ecom | Probably won't work, but if it does I'll report back |
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| 01:48.48 | awal1 | ecom, try the standard live one |
| 01:50.01 | awal1 | oh, he left.. |
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| 02:07.58 | echosystm | is there any easy way to change mirrors? |
| 02:08.04 | echosystm | i dont want to have to edit sources.list manually |
| 02:08.15 | markybob | echosystm: no. that's how you do it. |
| 02:08.24 | markybob | echosystm: and it's pretty fucking easy to do so |
| 02:08.26 | echosystm | isn't there a mirror browser somewhere that is the same as what you get during the installer? |
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| 02:08.41 | echosystm | surely that's bundled in |
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| 02:08.55 | markybob | !sources.list |
| 02:08.55 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 02:09.08 | markybob | echosystm: that uses geolocation to pick the one close to you |
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| 02:09.37 | echosystm | oh cool |
| 02:09.42 | echosystm | will do thanks |
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| 02:27.11 | ecom | mkb, markybob: If you are curious, I got it to work. All you have to do is set the boot order so that USB CD is higher than USB HDD, then you need to set to Legacy Only and set it to diagnostic mode. Once you boot you have to press the thinkvantage button, then press F12 then you can boot a live image. |
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| 02:28.40 | jmcnaught | ecom: if you had used the installer iso you would have been able to boot without enabling legacy. the debian installer has a rescue mode that is handy for stuff like this. |
| 02:28.45 | TomTomTosch | sounds like a ps1 cheat code. |
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| 02:45.37 | Lisa7238 | -clear |
| 02:45.53 | Lisa7238 | Nice start. |
| 02:46.21 | Lisa7238 | I'd like to believe that I'm not an idiot, but when I visit https://www.debian.org/ to download Debian, I sure as heck feel like one. What exactly am I downloading and where? Help needed. |
| 02:46.56 | TomTomTosch | Lisa7238, what do you want to download? we have everything for you :P |
| 02:47.02 | markybob | Lisa7238: to install on a laptop? server/desktop? |
| 02:47.04 | somiaj | Lisa7238: what computer are you installing on and do you want to do a net install or download a full install iamge? |
| 02:47.31 | Lisa7238 | TomTomTosch: Debian 8.3 for a desktop computer (i386). |
| 02:47.34 | Lisa7238 | markybob: Desktop. |
| 02:47.50 | TomTomTosch | Lisa7238, sure you want the 32bit? |
| 02:47.54 | Lisa7238 | somiaj: Desktop and preferably as minimal as possible, but still with a DE. |
| 02:47.56 | markybob | Lisa7238: this will probably do http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.3.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.3.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:48.11 | Lisa7238 | TomTomTosch: markybob: Oops. I meant amd64. |
| 02:48.21 | markybob | Lisa7238: netinst will download a DE during install. you want one included? |
| 02:48.39 | Lisa7238 | markybob: It will? |
| 02:48.46 | markybob | Lisa7238: yes ma'am |
| 02:48.50 | Lisa7238 | Hm. |
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| 02:49.00 | Lisa7238 | What is the standard DE in 8.3? |
| 02:49.11 | markybob | Lisa7238: gnome. but you can install whatever you want |
| 02:49.18 | somiaj | the netinstall will give you a choice between gnome, kde, xfce, lxde, cinnomon, and mate |
| 02:49.36 | Lisa7238 | Oh, no. I hate having to choose! Haha. |
| 02:49.59 | somiaj | xfce seems to be fairly popular in the light but still most features of a de |
| 02:50.21 | markybob | yep i use xfce when i have to use a DE |
| 02:50.48 | Lisa7238 | So... |
| 02:51.02 | Lisa7238 | Debian 8.3 for a desktop with the DE options. |
| 02:51.20 | Lisa7238 | And for a 64-bit processor. |
| 02:51.36 | markybob | Lisa7238: yeah what i linked you to is good for that |
| 02:51.46 | Lisa7238 | There's an overwhelming amount of links and such on the site. I can't find anything. |
| 02:51.58 | somiaj | Lisa7238: the image you were given you get to choose which one you want. |
| 02:52.06 | Lisa7238 | markybob: Why does it say amd64 and i386 in the link? |
| 02:52.26 | Lisa7238 | somiaj: Ah. |
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| 02:52.29 | markybob | Lisa7238: debian is multiarch. you can run i386 within 64-bit. it's really neat |
| 02:52.48 | Lisa7238 | markybob: Do I get to choose that as well during the install? |
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| 02:53.18 | markybob | Lisa7238: it'll detect you're on 64-bit so you don't have to do anything else if you don't want |
| 02:53.26 | Lisa7238 | Ah. |
| 02:53.27 | Lisa7238 | Great. |
| 02:53.53 | jmcnaught | i thought the multi-arch installer let you choose between i386 and amd64 at the boot menu |
| 02:53.56 | dvs | Lisa7238, or you could have clicked on the top right corner of the home web page. |
| 02:54.01 | markybob | it does |
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| 02:55.23 | TomTomTosch | dvs, shush, the customer is always right :P |
| 02:55.29 | markybob | dvs: that's what i linked him to :P |
| 02:55.31 | dvs | doh! |
| 02:55.47 | Lisa7238 | I'll report back later with how it went (if this doesn't screw up the lab security and releases the zombie virus). Well, I guess you'll know anyway then. |
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| 02:56.05 | somiaj | Lisa7238: do you happen to know what network card you have on that desktop? |
| 02:56.13 | Lisa7238 | somiaj: No idea. |
| 02:56.34 | dvs | desktops are usually pretty safe |
| 02:56.48 | somiaj | Lisa7238: wired? |
| 02:56.53 | somiaj | or wirless internet |
| 02:56.57 | Lisa7238 | somiaj: Wired. |
| 02:57.06 | somiaj | dvs: yea, though there are some reltek chips that require firmware |
| 02:58.23 | somiaj | Lisa7238: it will most likely work, there is a chance you will have a card that needs non-free firmware. I was just seeing if you knew or could figure out. If not you may be back here asking how to get it. (: |
| 02:58.46 | markybob | Lisa7238: which we chould easily help you with if that happens |
| 02:58.47 | Lisa7238 | somiaj: Or tearing my hair out. |
| 02:59.06 | Lisa7238 | markybob: Maybe I should look it up right now then. |
| 02:59.10 | Lisa7238 | How? |
| 02:59.21 | somiaj | Lisa7238: what os is on the computer at this time? |
| 02:59.24 | markybob | Lisa7238: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/ they come with it included |
| 02:59.29 | markybob | Lisa7238: the firmwares |
| 02:59.52 | Lisa7238 | somiaj: W7. |
| 03:00.02 | Lisa7238 | markybob: Hm. |
| 03:00.13 | markybob | Lisa7238: usually only needed for laptops. that's why i asked earlier. |
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| 03:00.49 | TomTomTosch | the device manager should tell what card that is. |
| 03:00.51 | somiaj | Lisa7238: under device manager you should be able to figure out the manufacture of your card. It is only a small possibility with a wired card. |
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| 03:01.27 | Lisa7238 | Looking now. |
| 03:01.45 | Vainglory | deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports iceweasel-beta was changed to deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-beta - i thought debian wasn't allowed to use 'firefox'? |
| 03:02.00 | markybob | Vainglory: it is now |
| 03:02.08 | markybob | Vainglory: they changed their policy |
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| 03:02.23 | Lisa7238 | Would it be under "Network adapters"? |
| 03:02.32 | Vainglory | markybob: huh. is there an announcement or something i could read about this? |
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| 03:03.09 | markybob | !firefox |
| 03:03.09 | dpkg | From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages will shortly appear in both jessie and sid. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>. |
| 03:03.36 | markybob | Vainglory: it's in the mailing lists. you can google it |
| 03:03.41 | Vainglory | wow, thanks :-) |
| 03:03.47 | Lisa7238 | Brb. Angry boss. |
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| 03:35.42 | icemodding | hi ppl |
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| 03:46.00 | Cueball | I have a process that won't kill. Not even kill-9. Any other options? |
| 03:46.30 | markybob | Cueball: what is it? |
| 03:49.07 | jmcnaught | Does Debian put the MySQL root password anywhere in plaintext? |
| 03:50.25 | markybob | jmcnaught: no |
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| 03:51.55 | jmcnaught | markybob: thanks |
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| 04:03.24 | markybob | jmcnaught: okay i have to ask. it's hashed. but do you have any reason to think you've been hacked? |
| 04:05.38 | jmcnaught | markybob: oh no, thanks for asking. i'm writing an Ansible role to deploy a web app and I'm trying to make it as decoupled as possible from the database selection. If there was a my.cnf somewhere, then my role doesn't need to be supplied with root password in order to create the database |
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| 04:06.35 | jmcnaught | i usually use postgresql, but at my last job all mysql servers had a my.cnf somewhere with the root login, it must have been a local thing though |
| 04:06.56 | themill | actually, it could easily be in plaintext in /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat |
| 04:07.57 | markybob | which is root read only. and not easily |
| 04:08.05 | themill | there's also the all-powerful debian-sys-maint user and its password is in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 04:08.26 | themill | markybob: at the point where we're talking about installing software, root-only isn't an issue |
| 04:08.40 | markybob | that's not what we were talking about |
| 04:08.51 | markybob | themill: you seem to really hate me. what'd i do to you? |
| 04:08.52 | jmcnaught | themill: thanks that's a good point, it didn't occur to me to check if debian-sys-maint could make users and databases |
| 04:09.36 | markybob | themill: you're always attacking me and i offer more support in here than you. so what'd i do? |
| 04:09.55 | themill | I don't hate you at all. You're just wrong often enough and I end up spending time mopping up. |
| 04:10.06 | markybob | jesus |
| 04:10.10 | themill | Worse, you don't realise you're wrong and then get aggressive about it. |
| 04:10.13 | themill | Like right now. |
| 04:10.17 | markybob | themill: i think you're just an asshole |
| 04:10.36 | themill | markybob: vi /dev/null, keep typing. |
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| 04:18.21 | jmcnaught | hmm.. if debian-sys-maint is all powerful why doesn't it get used by dbconfig-common? I think i'll just make the MySQL root password required since my goal is decoupling |
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| 04:25.36 | themill | jmcnaught: that would be one of the many annoying bits of dbconfig-common |
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| 04:31.17 | Vainglory | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-2324 i just heard about this, and already there's a page up. |
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| 04:33.03 | cyphix | When I type 'pip freeze' to list my python modules, this is the output: https://p.cyphix.org/view/fade4dfe Any idea what could be the problem? |
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| 04:35.15 | jmcnaught | cyphix: it looks like a conflict between python modules installed from APT, and modules installed with pip |
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| 04:36.35 | jmcnaught | cyphix: i recommend only using pip inside a virtualenv, never as root. Here's a decent article on the topic: http://notes.pault.ag/debian-python/ |
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| 04:37.06 | cyphix | jmcnaught: yeah, I probably made the mistake, I didn't know at the time. Is there a way to fix it? |
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| 04:37.40 | cyphix | In my history, it seems I installed task and celery with pip. Maybe I should try to remove them |
| 04:37.50 | TomTomTosch | Vainglory, i don't think those are created by hand but are rather generated from the CVE database. |
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| 04:38.13 | jmcnaught | cyphix: if pip can still remove them you could try that, but maybe as a regular user in the "staff" group instead of as root |
| 04:38.30 | jmcnaught | cyphix: members of "staff" have write permissions in /usr/local |
| 04:39.02 | cyphix | and could a pip install --upgrade pip be problematic too? |
| 04:40.12 | jmcnaught | cyphix: it's not something i would do system wide, personally. one of the points made in that article is that PyPI packages can be uploaded by just about anyone, there's not the same level of trust as there is with a Debian package |
| 04:40.19 | cyphix | Well, actually, I can't run pip uninstall either anymore |
| 04:41.01 | cyphix | is it possible to, like, uninstall and reinstall python completely? |
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| 04:41.58 | hiya | how can I set my Debian servers to auto update? |
| 04:42.11 | skywebro | hiya: cron-apt |
| 04:42.27 | jmcnaught | cyphix: the problem isn't the Debian supplied Python stuff, it's the pip-installed stuff in /usr/local. I'm going to spin up a container and see if I can spot where "sudo pip" would keep any information (besides /usr/local) |
| 04:42.45 | hiya | Thanks |
| 04:43.18 | cyphix | jmcnaught: ok thanks! |
| 04:43.34 | jmcnaught | cyphix: using virtualenv has its own challenges, but at least it keeps your python modules in a separate environment without the risk of conflicting dependencies. also check out virtualenvwrapper if you haven't already |
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| 04:44.10 | cyphix | jmcnaught: yeah, I've been told that it was essential to use it in a virtualenv, but I was not carefull... |
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| 04:53.59 | jmcnaught | cyphix: so in my container i did "strace pip install django &> blah.txt" then i grepped blah.txt for all the "open" calls excluding O_RDONLY, and it looks like it's only writing to /usr/local. I think you're probably safe to manually (carefully :) delete all the python stuff in /usr/local, but feel free to research it some more too |
| 04:54.52 | jmcnaught | cyphix: virtualenvwrapper takes a lot of the pain away while developing, it's a set of bash wrappers for virtualenv that are very nice to use |
| 04:56.18 | cyphix | jmcnaught: Sorry, it's a bit confusing for me. What should I remove in /usr/local ? And I don't develop anything, I just installed mediacrush, and it required some python modules in a virutalenv, and I forgot to set the virtualenv... |
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| 05:00.11 | jmcnaught | cyphix: you'll want to look in /usr/local/lib/python2.7 (and python3.4). |
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| 05:00.50 | cyphix | jmcnaught: it works!! |
| 05:00.54 | cyphix | Thanks a lot! |
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| 05:02.27 | jmcnaught | cyphix: you're welcome :) |
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| 05:32.37 | Lisa7327 | Hey. It's me again. Will this ever end? It keeps adding time and packets and stuff all the time... https://i.imgur.com/quEOeGG.png |
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| 06:14.29 | greenguy | test |
| 06:17.43 | greenguy | Hi, does anyone know if it is possible to run a dedicated server for cs 1.6 on a debian server? I kind of new to this and I'm looking for a project I can learn from. Thank you |
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| 06:19.15 | greenguy | I know it is possible with the gui, but my thought was if I run some terminal based distro maybe my old laptop will have more energy left over for the 1.6 server. |
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| 06:23.26 | bipul | Can anyone help me to get the output: for ((;;)); do tail -f /var/log/kern.log | a=$(grep -E "wlan0: authenticated" | tail -c21) | echo $a ; done |
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| 06:24.25 | greenguy | So, if you dont know I will try for my self :) Only thing I'm confused with is where I can specifically dl the server version of debian. All I find is "small installation" and complete. Can I chose to install serve only with the live cd? Sorry for asking stupid questions |
| 06:25.46 | jmcnaught | greenguy: hello. there isn't a server edition of Debian, there's just Debian and the packages that you choose to install. If you have a spare computer to install it on, use the netinst installer. you can choose not to install a graphical desktop environment during the installation |
| 06:26.47 | jmcnaught | greenguy: and from there you can install what you need. i highly recommend taking a look at the install manual, and feel free to ask in here if there's anything you're having trouble with |
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| 06:28.03 | jmcnaught | greenguy: as for cs 1.6, i don't know what that is. if it can run on linux, it can run on Debian. |
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| 06:32.01 | jmcnaught | bipul: i haven't seen that for syntax before. what are you trying to do, watch that log and print a message each time that string appears? |
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| 06:32.27 | bipul | jmcnaught, Yes. |
| 06:32.46 | dark-reader | hi, I've a BCM43142 wireless card, I've installed the proprietary Broadcom wireless driver for the card but sometimes the internet speed is less than a half of what it should. When this happens I run "sudo modprobe rmmod wl && modprobe wl" then I reconnect to the wifi network and everything works fine. Do you have any idea of how solve this problem? |
| 06:33.17 | Vainglory | dark-reader: have you ruled out the local network effecting it? |
| 06:34.10 | dark-reader | Vainglory yes because I don't have any problems with Windows and with my other laptop running debian but with another wifi card |
| 06:34.28 | bipul | jmcnaught, Is it possible? |
| 06:34.52 | Vainglory | dark-reader: valid point, 'proprietary driver'? where did you get it and what package is it called? |
| 06:35.01 | jmcnaught | bipul: what about just 'tail -f /var/log/kern.log | grep -E "wlan0: authenticated"' ? |
| 06:35.13 | bipul | jmcnaught, It works |
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| 06:37.23 | dark-reader | Vainglory I followed the wiki https://wiki.debian.org/wl and installed the broadcom-sta-dkms package |
| 06:38.02 | Vainglory | dark-reader: errr... lemme look for you. |
| 06:38.08 | greenguy | jmcnaught: Thank you very much, I will try it out. Just a quick question before I leave, and I apologize for my bad grammar. Is the server version of different distros the same as the full version just that all the unnecessary packages has been removed? So installing debian like you suggested and not installing anything but what I need, is the same thing as installing something on ubuntu server for example? The reason I wanted to t |
| 06:38.29 | greenguy | more stable for servers, sorry I have not fully understood some terms. |
| 06:38.39 | dark-reader | Vainglory thank you, much appreciated |
| 06:39.05 | Vainglory | dark-reader: just to verify, what did you put into your sources.list? |
| 06:39.52 | dark-reader | Vainglory I've put this "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free" |
| 06:40.09 | Vainglory | dark-reader: httpredir should be changed to something else |
| 06:40.28 | Vainglory | errr, one moment. perhaps i'm wrong |
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| 06:40.58 | greenguy | jmcnaught: Also, cs 1.6 is nothing but a fps game. And I'm trying to host a server for me and my cousinnn and maybe learn some linux while doing it. :) |
| 06:40.59 | jmcnaught | greenguy: yeah that sounds right. i don't know about every distro but in general what makes a server is what it's used for (and therefore what gets installed on it) |
| 06:41.18 | greenguy | jmcnaughtg |
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| 06:41.46 | jmcnaught | greenguy: cool, sounds like fun. |
| 06:43.51 | Vainglory | dark-reader: you followed the wiki to the letter and also blacklisted the modules and installed wireless-tools ? |
| 06:44.00 | greenguy | jmcnaught: I see, thank you very much for being patient. :) Yes, the only gui based part i came across when installing on w7 was the configuration, and it seems like it can be done using the terminal :) http://korbinbrown.com/how-to-host-a-counter-strike-1-6-server-on-linux-ubuntu/ |
| 06:44.40 | Vainglory | dark-reader: did you read this part?: Frequent disconnections can be experienced. This may be resolved by disabling power management via: |
| 06:44.48 | greenguy | jmcnaught: I will give it a try tomorrow, hopefully there is a guide for debian! :) thanks again |
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| 06:45.37 | dark-reader | Vainglory yes, stuck to the wiki and also read the known issues and set iwconfig wlan1 power off & I've also modified wireless-power.conf file |
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| 06:46.19 | jmcnaught | greenguy: cheers. there is a tonne of general debian documentation available, it's normal to have to read lots at first |
| 06:46.19 | Vainglory | greenguy: can't guarantee the accuracy or be held accountable if your computer explodes, but take a look at this: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-set-up-a-Counter-Strike-1-6-dedicated-server-under-Linux-35607.shtml |
| 06:47.02 | Vainglory | dark-reader: everything i'm finding by searching is showing up some dell vostro stuff, and others that are old and for ubuntu 12.04 :( |
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| 06:49.26 | dark-reader | Vainglory yes, I've spent hours looking for more information, then I gave up and decided to look for help here xD |
| 06:50.46 | Vainglory | dark-reader: it pretty much boils down to it's a proprietary binary and we our power sort of stops there. support for proprietary are much lower than more open drivers. simply because we can't poke at it most of the time due to licensing. |
| 06:51.10 | greenguy | Vainglory: Thanks, I read that hlds has been replaced by steamcmd. But some of these commands seem to be the same, so I will study it anyway! :) |
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| 06:51.50 | Vainglory | greenguy: :-) - i wouldn't mind joining you one of these days if you happen to get it setup |
| 06:52.19 | dark-reader | Vainglory yes I know it, unfortunately I have this damn boradcom wireless card... thank you anyway for your time |
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| 06:52.43 | Vainglory | dark-reader: next best thing you can get a new wireless card :-p |
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| 06:55.19 | dark-reader | Vainglory If I had the money, I would do it xD |
| 06:55.26 | greenguy | Vainglory: My computer will most likley explode :D But its a very old laptop so I'm ready for that. :) Judging from the requirements in the link you sent atleast the hardware is good enough! Ofc, I will only host maps converted from CSGO to 1.6 :) So my lil cuosin can feel at home |
| 06:55.52 | greenguy | Vainglory: you are welcome hehe |
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| 06:59.22 | greenguy | hm, oh well. sorry for the OT. First time using IRC as well. thanks for helping out. bye |
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| 06:59.43 | MaBunny | guys waht is the name of the package for g++ docs |
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| 07:06.45 | MaBunny | guys? |
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| 07:07.43 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: there a bunch of packages, most of them in non-free |
| 07:08.12 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: gcc-4.9-doc for example |
| 07:09.08 | MaBunny | well,which one is free? :) |
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| 07:10.41 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: non-free as not meeting the Debian Free Software Guidelines, but still gratis. DFSG doesn't consider the GNU documentation license to be Free |
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| 07:12.05 | strk | this morning my Mate desktop booted up in "crypto-mode" -- all the window titles and menus and icon names and widget texts ... all of them are missing letters |
| 07:12.28 | MaBunny | so its GPL? |
| 07:12.31 | strk | very funny effect, except it resembles a "virus", which isn't that very fun |
| 07:13.47 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: GNU Free Documentation License, or FDL. It's a different license from the same organization (FSF) as the GPL meant for docs. Some info here: https://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 07:14.40 | strk | ideas ? take a look: http://strk.keybit.net/tmp/Screenshot-20.png |
| 07:14.46 | MaBunny | but i dont hav to pay for it or not,srry pls |
| 07:15.22 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: it's still free as in no money |
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| 07:15.56 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: just not free as in liberty from Debian's perspective |
| 07:16.11 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 07:16.55 | MaBunny | but jmcnaught,i apt-get installed gcc-4.9-doc,but its not available |
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| 07:17.12 | jmcnaught | strk: that looks frustrating, are you using Jessie? |
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| 07:17.29 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: it's in the non-free section, you need to enable it in your sources.list |
| 07:17.50 | MaBunny | how,any tutorials? |
| 07:19.13 | luz_angel | hello everyone, i m new here. looking to help out! |
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| 07:20.20 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: your /etc/apt/sources.list should look like this example, with "contrib non-free" after the word "main" on each line |
| 07:20.22 | luz_angel | @MaBunny; hopefully this will help: open the file "/etc/apt/sources.list" and add the word "non-free" |
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| 07:21.16 | luz_angel | sorry @jmcnaught! |
| 07:21.47 | Vainglory | luz_angel: simply adding 'non-free' might confuse someone. |
| 07:22.43 | luz_angel | @Vainglory oh yeah jmcnaught beat me to it and I pressed enter instead of del |
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| 07:23.22 | MaBunny | ok,for example, like this: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free |
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| 07:24.02 | luz_angel | @MaBunny Yup! looks good |
| 07:24.06 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: yes but use http://httpredir.debian.org/debian instead of http://httpredir.debian.org/debian |
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| 07:26.45 | luz_angel | @jmcnaught you were saying about how the GNU license doesn t comply with Debian some how? how s that? could you elaborate? |
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| 07:27.20 | jmcnaught | luz_angel: i was talking about the GFDL not the GPL, there's a bunch of info here: https://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
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| 07:28.45 | dosya | hello, could some one tip me, please, in following trouble: two hosts in one network, but i cant ping host #2 from host #1. but when i ping host #1 from host #2, then i can ping host #2 from host #1. why is this happening and how to analise this problem? |
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| 07:29.59 | slax0r | dosya: firewall? |
| 07:31.02 | dosya | slax0r: and if it is, how firewall rules may change itself after i pinging host #1 from host #2? |
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| 07:31.17 | luz_angel | @jmcnaught thanks for the interesting read |
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| 07:32.47 | luz_angel | The two things I like about debian are that the people in charge are logical and consistent....to the death! |
| 07:33.42 | slax0r | dosya: well, it would be the first place I would check, how and why wouldn't be my questions after I've confirmed that it was the issue |
| 07:33.49 | slax0r | it's not that hard to iptables -L on both boxes |
| 07:33.55 | slax0r | and check all other routing devies on the network |
| 07:34.01 | slax0r | devices* |
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| 07:35.33 | strk | jmcnaught: Debian GNU/Linux 8.3 (jessie) --- logout,login fixed it |
| 07:35.53 | strk | jmcnaught: but yes, it was pretty frustrating (and I did not screenshot the right-click menu of terminal...) |
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| 07:57.58 | dosya | slax0r: i dont think iptables or routes or firewalls have participation in all that. i ping #1 -> #2 = fail. then ping #2 -> #1 = success. then #1 -> #2 = success. i dont change any setting. |
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| 08:04.45 | no_gravity | Good Morning. I installed Debian 8 on a machine. After years of using Mint. Thought I want to see how Debian looks on the Desktop these days. |
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| 08:05.17 | no_gravity | What I am missing is an Update thingy in the panel (I run Mate). |
| 08:05.34 | no_gravity | How do you guys update your Desktop Debian installations? |
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| 08:06.31 | dosya | no_gravity: i am regular user. i use apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 08:07.14 | no_gravity | dosya: I see. Wouldnt it be easier to have a little icon sitting on the desktop telling you when you have to do that? |
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| 08:09.51 | dosya | no_gravity: never did that. but if i had to wish so, i will search for some updates checker in google |
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| 08:10.32 | no_gravity | dosya: That's what I am doing right now. |
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| 08:10.44 | novakyu | no_gravity: what about cron-apt? |
| 08:10.49 | no_gravity | I thought it would be easy to look up what Mint is using. But it's called "MintUpdate". |
| 08:10.49 | DrDoofenshmirtz | Hi, I am looking for tidy5 but it looks like it doesnt exist at all within the debian repo's. Did I just miss it or do I have to build it myself? |
| 08:11.20 | no_gravity | novakyu: What would the cron job do? |
| 08:11.40 | novakyu | by default, downloads updates. emails you when there's an update. |
| 08:11.54 | novakyu | https://www.debian-administration.org/article/162/A_short_introduction_to_cron-apt |
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| 08:12.34 | no_gravity | novakyu: That would be way way way more inefficient. Im not at that machine when I read my emails. |
| 08:12.53 | novakyu | oh. you don't ssh into the machine? |
| 08:13.10 | no_gravity | I just want to see the icon changing its color to indicate there are updates. Then I want to click on it when I think its ok to update now. |
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| 08:13.39 | MaBunny | guys where are the logs of my hexchat chan's history saved? |
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| 08:14.23 | cvr | MaBunny: have a look in your settings |
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| 08:14.40 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 08:15.34 | no_gravity | There is something called "update-notifier" but how do I find out if it's that nice panel thing? |
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| 08:19.00 | no_gravity | Hmm.. if that applet is a Mint only thing, then that's a huge advantage for Mint. |
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| 08:22.33 | no_gravity | Looks like it is the applet "notification-area" which is available in Mate. |
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| 08:23.08 | no_gravity | So it seems it needs something else to be set up so the update icon appears in it. |
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| 08:24.58 | no_gravity | In Mint the icon is triggered by the "MintUpdateLauncher" in startup applications. Hmm... |
| 08:25.43 | dosya | i am asking question, be cause i dont even know how to create relevant query to google database. i ping host 1 -> host 2 = fail. then 2 <- 1 = success. then again 1 -> 2 = success. why is that? im worried about my eyes going to reach plates size here |
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| 08:26.14 | simonlnu | arp tables? |
| 08:26.25 | dosya | where? |
| 08:26.42 | no_gravity | dosya: I don't get what you mean. Show us the actual commands you type into your terminal. |
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| 08:28.01 | poffs | question, how do i get the fingerprint for my system? someone wants to verify the ssh key when connecting to my local system |
| 08:28.05 | dosya | no_gravity: ping 192.168.1.2 on host 1, and ping 192.168.1.1 on host 2 |
| 08:28.08 | simonlnu | pings host2 from 1, doesn't reply; pings 1 from 2, gets a reply; after the second ping, the first set of pinging works |
| 08:28.36 | simonlnu | poffs: /etc/ssh |
| 08:28.41 | simonlnu | it's in there |
| 08:28.53 | poffs | simonlnu, it's hashed |
| 08:29.04 | simonlnu | yes |
| 08:29.16 | poffs | simonlnu, how do i unhash it for verification? |
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| 08:29.43 | cafuego | poffs: ssh-keygen -l -f keyfile |
| 08:29.50 | poffs | thanks cafuego |
| 08:30.13 | simonlnu | yes |
| 08:30.17 | cafuego | poffs: If you can, just dump a few SSHFP records in your dns server. |
| 08:30.21 | themill | (and think about dnssec and SSHFP) |
| 08:30.41 | poffs | mmmm... will look into that in the future, thanks |
| 08:30.44 | cafuego | poffs: There are three keys btw, you should send a FP for each. |
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| 08:31.46 | no_gravity | So I typed "apt-get install update-notifier" because that seems to be the thing that injects the icon into the "notification-area" |
| 08:31.53 | no_gravity | I expected it to install a few kb. |
| 08:32.12 | no_gravity | But the machine started to downaload the whole internet and everything linus torvalds ever coded. |
| 08:32.26 | no_gravity | Lots of gnome stuff, webkit, god knows what. |
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| 08:32.30 | no_gravity | What is happening here? |
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| 08:34.13 | cvr | no_gravity: apt show update-notifier |
| 08:35.01 | dosya | simonlnu: you think network switch didnt know about host until i made ping from it? |
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| 08:37.18 | no_gravity | cvr: well.. that outputs.. something. |
| 08:37.45 | no_gravity | Giving up for now. |
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| 08:38.51 | cvr | no_gravity: you asked why it wanted to download all the gnome stuff and that command told you why |
| 08:39.37 | no_gravity | cvr: Maybe it told me. I dont know. I couldnt figure it out from the output. |
| 08:39.50 | no_gravity | Also, after the install, the update icon still did not appear. |
| 08:40.10 | themill | installing a package won't make something magically run as the logged in user |
| 08:40.23 | no_gravity | themill: i rebooted. it still did not appear. |
| 08:40.55 | themill | It won't necessarily be added to whatever environment you are using either |
| 08:41.02 | dosya | simonlnu: sorry, i am not much talking in IRC, i dont know talking orders here. should i think "yes" on my question, or wait? this all is really confusing me. |
| 08:41.11 | no_gravity | Maybe Mate is not really loved by Debian much. Maybe I will try Cinamon next time I try Debian. |
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| 08:42.18 | dosya | no_gravity: i am on mate, moved from xfce. i think debian more like mate, than xfce. |
| 08:42.32 | themill | no_gravity: it's more likely that the gnome thing is explicitly disabled in things other than gnome |
| 08:42.42 | no_gravity | dosya: not sure what you mean. is there some typo in your msg? |
| 08:42.51 | no_gravity | themill: the gnome thing? |
| 08:43.03 | themill | you're the one that installed it |
| 08:43.18 | no_gravity | themill: the update icon? |
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| 08:44.02 | MaBunny | guys,i didnt find the g++ docs,even after an update and searching in synaptic |
| 08:44.16 | cafuego | like `manpages-dev'? |
| 08:44.18 | themill | <no_gravity> But the machine started to downaload the whole internet and everything linus torvalds ever coded. <no_gravity> Lots of gnome stuff, webkit, god knows what. |
| 08:44.40 | cafuego | apt: info manpages-dev |
| 08:44.43 | MaBunny | no,im not looking for gcc,im looking for g++ |
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| 08:46.26 | MaBunny | ok,am downloading c++-annotations now,will try later |
| 08:46.37 | MaBunny | thnx |
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| 08:46.48 | cafuego | MaBunny: See also cppreference-doc-en-html |
| 08:46.57 | MaBunny | thnx |
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| 08:55.51 | Siente | Hello! If I have forgotten my password is it possible to change it? |
| 08:56.14 | MaBunny | yes |
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| 08:56.40 | MaBunny | go to your grub menu and change it |
| 08:57.02 | MaBunny | if its your password :> |
| 08:57.58 | Siente | how to do so? |
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| 08:58.39 | MaBunny | really,you hav forgotten your psswrd,bcoz theres lots of voodoo stuff to do |
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| 08:59.11 | MaBunny | and i hav not changed my psswrd in debian,though the one in which i changed was based on ubuntu |
| 09:00.08 | MaBunny | and you hav to be here in irc for guidance bcoz you might messup ur computer |
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| 09:00.25 | MaBunny | i mean you hav to reboot your system |
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| 09:01.56 | MaBunny | Siente: if you can hook up to irc chan in android or something else i can help you |
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| 09:02.31 | Siente | is it too hard? |
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| 09:02.56 | MaBunny | not too hard,but you hav to type cautiously |
| 09:03.43 | cvr | Siente: you dont know your root passwd either? |
| 09:04.07 | MaBunny | when you start your computer,there is a blue screen with the debian logo and some stuff written like <Something> with linux <version here> |
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| 09:04.40 | MaBunny | you just hav to goto recovery mode,and you will be in the grub menu |
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| 09:05.13 | MaBunny | but do this with your android phone connected to this chan,or you will be stuck |
| 09:05.52 | MaBunny | you hav a android phone,do you? |
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| 09:09.27 | MaBunny | Siente: you there? |
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| 09:10.34 | Siente | MaBunny: yes, but it's not for my PC |
| 09:10.49 | MaBunny | then? |
| 09:10.50 | Siente | I was working on a PC with debian and now old colleagues asked me for the password |
| 09:10.52 | Siente | and I don't remember it |
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| 09:11.43 | MaBunny | well,if its old debian version you should ask the guys here for the way to go to recovery mode for tht version |
| 09:11.55 | MaBunny | and then its the same process |
| 09:12.09 | Siente | it's not that old |
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| 09:12.14 | Siente | it was a couple of months ago |
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| 09:12.45 | Vainglory | Siente: you can go into recovery |
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| 09:12.52 | Vainglory | log in as root |
| 09:13.00 | MaBunny | well,does there appear a recovery mode option on startup? |
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| 09:13.33 | Vainglory | even if there isn't, you can edit grub with 'e' i believe |
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| 09:18.49 | yoh | I am confused why python-mne package is claimed to have a bug open (forbids its migration to testing, and was removed from it due to it) although I have closed it a while back... |
| 09:18.54 | yoh | have a look at https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=python-mne |
| 09:19.36 | stiivo | hello, since weeks im facing a problem i can't get rid of: "kernel: [58220.800065] [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed [i915]] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... render ring idle" - using debian 8.3 with kde - Linux 4.3.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.3.5-1 (2016-02-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux (testing) grub boot flags: i915.semaphores=1 i915.enable_rc6=0 , screen just freezes, if im fast enough i can switch to console via strg+alt+f1 and type reboot, if not i ha |
| 09:19.38 | yoh | may be I have misspecified (manually( the Fixed in version which forbids it? |
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| 09:21.03 | Vainglory | stiivo: you got cut off at "if not i ha" |
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| 09:21.06 | ChrisH | I am getting this error from several Debian stable boxes since last night: freshclam[939]: connect_error: getsockopt(SO_ERROR): fd=4 error=111: Connection refused Is that my error or a freshclam issue? |
| 09:21.18 | tinyhippo | how risky is it to upgrade from squeeze-lts to wheezy-lts |
| 09:21.32 | Vainglory | ChrisH: check your firewall and see if clamav updated recently |
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| 09:21.58 | Vainglory | yoh: i see a difference of 0.10.2 and 0.11 |
| 09:22.25 | ChrisH | Vainglory: I have 3 boxes at 3 different locations, no systemfirewall active. |
| 09:22.43 | Vainglory | ChrisH: clamav update? |
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| 09:23.44 | ChrisH | http://www.clamav.net/mirrors.html <-- gets 404 and it looks like the de mirror is down |
| 09:23.54 | Vainglory | that would be it :-) |
| 09:24.10 | Vainglory | how long has it been going on? |
| 09:25.27 | yoh | Vainglory: sorry ... yes 0.11 >> 0.10.2 so it is fixed in version after 0.10.2 and 0.11+dfsg-1 in sid... so what am I missing? |
| 09:26.14 | yoh | and 0.11+dfsg-1 >> 0.11 |
| 09:27.12 | Vainglory | yoh: i'm not sure, i've never done a package myself :-( |
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| 09:29.22 | yoh | mixed up with #debian-devel ... going there |
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| 09:31.16 | MaBunny | cafuego: ive downloaded the man pages for cpp-reference and c++-annotations |
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| 09:31.27 | MaBunny | cafuego: how do i access them? |
| 09:31.52 | MaBunny | i mean "man what?" |
| 09:32.29 | Alien1it | hello, someone know why Jessie with Gnome sometime wait for 90 sec. before shutdown? |
| 09:33.27 | Vainglory | Alien1it: 90 seconds? i've never had that issue. |
| 09:34.45 | MaBunny | i hav tried typing "man c++-annotations" and "man cpp-reference" |
| 09:34.55 | MaBunny | but it didnt do anything |
| 09:35.14 | MaBunny | or should i just check my doc folder? |
| 09:35.25 | Alien1it | Vainglory: yes, sometime. Wait 90 sec. and after shut. It is perhaps systemd or some process run in Gnome?.... |
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| 09:35.59 | Vainglory | Alien1it: i've never even heard of that issue. are you running a lot when you shut down? how do you know it's 90 seconds exactly? |
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| 09:38.19 | Alien1it | Vainglory: it is write on screen, attend 90 sec. before shut....fore some process.... |
| 09:38.38 | Vainglory | Alien1it: it says it's going to take 90 seconds? |
| 09:39.00 | Vainglory | is it something like... You are currently logged in as "user". This system will be automatically shut down in 60 seconds. |
| 09:39.12 | Alien1it | Vainglory: yes. But sometime....boh. |
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| 09:44.50 | Alien1it | Vainglory: No, i press shutdown button and sometime wait 90 sec before shut. |
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| 09:45.37 | g00se | If an HD is faulty, a live boot can fail. Why is that? |
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| 09:58.21 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: use "dpkg -L" on the packages to see what they've installed. also remember that the gcc in gcc-4.9-doc stands for GNU Compiler Collection (including g++), not just the GNU C Compiler |
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| 10:02.34 | drmagoo | Does anyone know howto (if even possible) to launch a rdesktop session (against a win7 workstation) with a window size of 2560x1440 but the resolution is 1920x1080? I have a 4k-monitor which I've used fontscaling to make it more readable, but rdesktop ignores this so everything is really tiny in the rdesktop-session. |
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| 10:11.17 | Vainglory | g00se: depends on the system - most don't do that as far as i know |
| 10:11.32 | Vainglory | g00se: not really a debian question anyway |
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| 10:14.25 | seprob | Hi. I added new interface to the "/etc/network/inerfaces" and when I'm doing "ifup interface" I get "Cannot find device "vmbr1" |
| 10:14.28 | seprob | Failed to bring up vmbr1.". |
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| 10:14.38 | seprob | Any ideas? |
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| 10:28.36 | jelly | seprob: which debian release? what else is in the file (pastebin it!)? does vmbr1 actually exist? |
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| 10:29.00 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 10:31.20 | g00se | OK thanks |
| 10:32.39 | darxmurf | huh, df returns me 35Gb in use on my /home partition but inside there is one 63Gb file. |
| 10:32.48 | darxmurf | du on the /home folder gives me also 35Gb |
| 10:33.08 | darxmurf | but after a rsync on another server, the occuped space is 63Gb Oo |
| 10:33.39 | darxmurf | XFS on both systems |
| 10:33.53 | rozie | hm, sparse file? |
| 10:33.55 | darxmurf | the weird machine is a Centos 7.x and the other one a Debian |
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| 10:34.11 | seprob | jelly, 8. "http://www.bzyk.org/~seprob/output.txt". |
| 10:34.30 | seprob | jelly, vmbr1 doesn't exist. |
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| 10:34.55 | jelly | seprob: does dummy0 exist? |
| 10:35.07 | seprob | jelly, I got exatcly the same configuration on other systems and it works. |
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| 10:35.37 | emesa | try to use --sparse option with rsync |
| 10:35.48 | seprob | jelly, dummy0 doesn't exist but as I said the same configuration is on other systems. |
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| 10:36.33 | jelly | seprob: ok. I have no idea how that works. However, make sure bridge-utils package is installed if you want to use linux bridging. |
| 10:36.38 | darxmurf | how can I check if it's a sparse file or not ? |
| 10:36.45 | darxmurf | or see the "real" size |
| 10:37.04 | darxmurf | ok found |
| 10:37.08 | jelly | darxmurf: du /path/to/file will show you the disk-usage size by default |
| 10:37.08 | darxmurf | ls gives 63Gb |
| 10:37.14 | darxmurf | du gives 26Gb |
| 10:37.40 | jelly | du --apparent-size will do the other thing (read du manual( |
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| 10:39.52 | darxmurf | hmmm I should always use -S with rsync in fact |
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| 10:40.28 | moldy | hi |
| 10:40.42 | moldy | E: Some packages could not be authenticated |
| 10:41.12 | moldy | i have a system that seems to be "broken". i am not sure what happened. i suspect somebody ran a dist-upgrade and it did not work, or whatever |
| 10:41.32 | moldy | https://dpaste.de/Ppqt |
| 10:41.38 | moldy | how do i get out of this situation? :) |
| 10:42.06 | jelly | darxmurf: except some things, like --inplace, don't work with -S |
| 10:42.25 | rozie | moldy: tell something about system and background |
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| 10:43.24 | rozie | you may be missing some gpg keys |
| 10:43.26 | moldy | rozie: the thing is, i don't know what exactly happened. i am cleaning up somebody else's mess ;) |
| 10:43.28 | jelly | moldy: run "apt-get update" first and show the complete output, then retry the upgrade. |
| 10:43.33 | rozie | or just repo isn't valid |
| 10:43.51 | moldy | jelly: E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. N: Is the package apt-transport-https installed? |
| 10:44.04 | jelly | that's not the complete output |
| 10:44.09 | moldy | i guess i should download apt-transport-https as .deb and install it with dpkg -i? |
| 10:44.14 | moldy | jelly: it is :p |
| 10:44.29 | moldy | jelly: https://dpaste.de/vG6w |
| 10:44.44 | jelly | moldy: that's actually interesting. Show your sources.list. |
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| 10:45.02 | moldy | https://dpaste.de/eNjb |
| 10:45.10 | MrDetonia | Hi, USB broken, Acer laptop, no idea, send help |
| 10:45.28 | MrDetonia | USB devices get power, and I can talk to my phone through ADB. |
| 10:45.37 | rozie | moldy: change ftp.de.debian.org to httpredir.debian.org |
| 10:45.42 | MrDetonia | But drives don't mount, and USB mice don't work or show up in lsusb |
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| 10:46.03 | rozie | it's probably some issue with repo |
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| 10:47.18 | moldy | rozie: doesn't help. which is expected, since apt-get update apparently cannot connect any where |
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| 10:49.02 | moldy | i installed .debs for apt-transport-https and libapt-pkg. at least now apt-get update does something again :) |
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| 10:49.28 | poffs | is there a way to make ssh -X not so slow on my lan? i'm trying to use rhythmbox but it's ridiculously slow because it's using like 500kb/s |
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| 10:50.23 | moldy | poffs: maybe try x2go? |
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| 10:50.45 | moldy | ok, it seems that fixed the system. thanks :) |
| 10:50.47 | jelly | moldy: you may have a https:// source somewhere else in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
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| 10:51.15 | moldy | jelly: indeed, i did. i removed it now. |
| 10:51.50 | moldy | jelly: that error was not the fatal one though. after installing apt-transport-https, apt works again |
| 10:52.55 | moldy | i am not sure what the root cause was, but to me this looks a little like an interrupted upgrade from wheezy |
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| 10:59.35 | bes_internal | how to configure network in debian 8 by custom iptools (ip) command? |
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| 11:01.11 | poffs | is x2go the best option for tunneling X sessions over low bandwidth connections? |
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| 11:05.09 | henryk | poffs, your lan is saturated with 500kb/s? |
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| 11:05.52 | poffs | henryk, hmm... my wifi taps out at about 1.3megabytes/s |
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| 11:06.22 | poffs | henryk, 500kb/s was an underestimate |
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| 11:07.40 | poffs | i don't know why it is so slow. it's not even at the cap that is the problem. it seems like a ping problem.... maybe I have compression enabled... hmm |
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| 11:18.23 | seprob | jelly, thanks. The problem was I didn't have bridge-utils package. :) |
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| 11:36.38 | Triski | hi |
| 11:39.21 | chenchacha | hello |
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| 11:47.49 | rafalcpp | hi, could I install git from sid into my debian stable temporarly? |
| 11:48.06 | rafalcpp | it seems only version of debian that so far fixed the critical exploit in git |
| 11:48.10 | bogus- | rafalcpp: use backports |
| 11:48.36 | rafalcpp | bogus-: is it fixed in backports? I can't tell from https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-2315 https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-2324 how to tell? |
| 11:50.38 | jelly | rafalcpp: if there's a security patch, wait for the security patch to arrive in stable |
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| 11:50.56 | hiya | jelly, is there any on-going issues with netinstallations? |
| 11:50.58 | bogus- | shouldn't take long? |
| 11:51.09 | hiya | When I select repo it gives be an error Bad repo |
| 11:51.15 | bogus- | what exploit are you referring to rafalcpp ? |
| 11:51.17 | hiya | and whole screen goes red |
| 11:51.27 | jelly | seeing as it's a 0 day gone public accidentally, it's probably going to be patched up ASAP |
| 11:51.40 | bogus- | ah, it's a 0day |
| 11:51.44 | jelly | hiya: I have no idea |
| 11:52.18 | jelly | hiya: using the standard current (8.3) netinst? |
| 11:52.24 | rafalcpp | bogus-: the two exploits linked there, yes |
| 11:52.47 | rafalcpp | jelly: I'm quite dissapointed so far it takes over 1 day to reah debian. fedora has it, arch has |
| 11:53.31 | hiya | jelly, yes |
| 11:53.40 | hiya | I am installing it on VPS |
| 11:53.44 | hiya | it is causing problems |
| 11:53.51 | rafalcpp | jelly: each day waiting is $$$$ lost for entire team of developers, who require git, and are on debian |
| 11:54.02 | rafalcpp | which is why I was asking for some alternative then |
| 11:54.04 | hiya | jelly, the only repo that worked is offered by namecheap |
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| 11:54.20 | jelly | rafalcpp: dude, if you're losing $$$$, rebuild it with those two relevant patches yourself |
| 11:55.00 | jelly | hiya: maybe your provider is intentionally blocking access to outside? |
| 11:55.00 | rafalcpp | jelly: that is an option too, but isn't it better to take the one from sid |
| 11:55.08 | jelly | rafalcpp: no, no it's not |
| 11:55.30 | jelly | if you must, rebuild it |
| 11:55.31 | jelly | !ssb |
| 11:55.31 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 11:55.34 | rafalcpp | ok |
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| 11:56.10 | rafalcpp | jelly: obviously we can rebuild such package from apt-get sources, apply patch and build. do you think we can help security team to release fix for stable somehow, is such manpower needed now? |
| 11:56.17 | jelly | rafalcpp: how much $$$$ are you losing? I'm sure you can hire someone to do it if you don't have the expertise |
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| 11:56.46 | rafalcpp | jelly: we can rebuild from sources without problem, I was wondering if getting from sid is not cleaner solution (untill you told me it's not :) |
| 11:57.07 | jelly | rafalcpp: I'm pretty sure the security team is aware of it, since it is they who populate the sec. tracker :-) |
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| 11:58.37 | hiya | jelly, ok thanks |
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| 12:00.26 | poffs | i have a weird issue with SSH & X... on one system, i forward X to my client (Rhythmbox) and the audio plays on the server.... good.... on another system, X forwards to the client, but the audio doesn't play on the client or server (bad) |
| 12:00.43 | poffs | ssh_config and the commands are the same on both systems |
| 12:00.57 | inframare | I'm setting GRUB_GFXMODE=1366x768x24 in /etc/default/grub, running grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but the grub resolution is not changing from 640x480 - I have verified the resolution is available with hwinfo --framebuffer - What am I missing? |
| 12:01.02 | MaBunny | guys i want to make a shell script to auto-compile my programs |
| 12:01.18 | inframare | intel baytrail btw |
| 12:01.49 | MaBunny | how do i start typing the shell commands? |
| 12:01.50 | jelly | poffs: audio will never play on the client, X does not deal with audio, so you need to investigate the cause on the server |
| 12:02.06 | MaBunny | !bin/sh or what?just tht portion im confused |
| 12:02.24 | poffs | jelly, yeah I know. I want it to play on the server. the issue is client side, though, because I am connecting to the same server |
| 12:02.37 | jelly | poffs: and same user? |
| 12:02.43 | poffs | jelly, yeah. |
| 12:02.47 | inframare | MaBunny: start the script with #!/bin/sh .. if you want to use the /bin/sh shell for the script |
| 12:03.03 | MaBunny | ok thnx |
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| 12:03.56 | MaBunny | also if i want to output something,it will be this: "$echo Hello world!" |
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| 12:04.47 | MaBunny | am i right? |
| 12:04.47 | jelly | dpkg, tell MaBunny about bash guide |
| 12:04.52 | inframare | MaBunny: It would be "echo 'Hello World!'" - you should definitely do some reading before running a script though |
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| 12:05.26 | MaBunny | thnx |
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| 12:08.12 | poffs | jelly, i don't know much about the client system that isn't functioning right... maybe it has an HPN patch or something |
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| 12:08.56 | inframare | Ugh. grub. |
| 12:09.39 | MaBunny | my script works!! |
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| 12:10.46 | inframare | MaBunny: I highly recommend reading the documentation jelly directed you to ;) |
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| 12:11.40 | MaBunny | yes,but i just did some echo and gcc,which i already kne |
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| 12:12.02 | MaBunny | not chmod and other voodoo stuff :) |
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| 12:13.54 | inframare | MaBunny: Regardless, seemingly insignificant error could result in drastic consequences.. and if these scripts ever run as root, it is a whole different ballgame :) |
| 12:14.21 | MaBunny | :D |
| 12:14.42 | MaBunny | i wont go deep into linux commands now,need to learn cpp first |
| 12:14.49 | inframare | Enjoy :) |
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| 12:15.48 | MaBunny | but ive saved tht page,and will definitely see it later |
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| 12:16.15 | inframare | Good good :) |
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| 12:20.39 | MaBunny | by the way inframare, how do i output the messages of gcc -... to a file say output_log |
| 12:20.58 | MaBunny | by this symbol--> ">" |
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| 12:24.11 | inframare | MaBunny: You need to read up on redirection and pipes, > will redirect stdout to a file (overwriting anything pre-existant), >> will create or append - If you want to see the output and save it simulataneously you could pipe the output through tee, e.g. "echo 'test' | tee /home/user/outputlog.txt" |
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| 12:24.35 | inframare | *simultaneously |
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| 12:25.15 | MaBunny | well,actually i was looking for mug-up codes to write,rather than understand them,but thnx pal :) |
| 12:25.33 | inframare | Should my /boot/grub/grub.cfg be loading the unicode.pf2 font from /usr/share/grub? There is a copy in /boot/grub/ ? |
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| 12:25.37 | inframare | MaBunny: np |
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| 12:27.25 | inframare | I suppose it does not matter, both paths are on the same filesystem.. |
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| 12:27.35 | inframare | is driven mad by grub |
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| 12:29.04 | inframare | What are possible methods of booting the kernel as near to instantly as possible with PC BIOS? On UEFI I can use efibootmgr to boot a kernel directly from EFI without even touching grub. |
| 12:29.27 | MaBunny | #MaBunny gives inframare a hug |
| 12:29.35 | MaBunny | fuck |
| 12:29.47 | inframare | ;) |
| 12:30.26 | MaBunny | i forgot how to do it |
| 12:30.54 | inframare | MaBunny: '/me' |
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| 12:31.40 | MaBunny | !me gives inframare a thank you note |
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| 12:31.59 | MaBunny | gives inframare a thank you note |
| 12:32.01 | ravegen | Hi. I have domain like google.com but how can i have mail.google.com ? |
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| 12:32.11 | inframare | MaBunny: ;) |
| 12:32.34 | MaBunny | also can you tell me about how to change nick? |
| 12:32.45 | inframare | ravegen: You would usually configure that with your dns provider as an A record |
| 12:33.00 | inframare | MaBunny: '/nick' |
| 12:33.20 | MaBunny | thnx |
| 12:33.37 | ravegen | Where can i find dns provider? Can i do that myself? How? |
| 12:34.03 | inframare | ravegen: These are the people you buy your domain from |
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| 12:38.07 | Pseudo | ravegen: if u would already have a domainn it can be done at the DNS settinf |
| 12:38.35 | Pseudo | or via a third party DNS |
| 12:38.49 | Pseudo | like cloudflare.com |
| 12:39.49 | Pseudo | just point up your set up an A record to point to your dedicated ip |
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| 12:45.25 | futex | Anoyone has install plaso/log2timeline on debian jessie? |
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| 12:49.08 | iateadonut | i am ssh'ing into a router and then ssh'ing into a linux box. so i'm ssh'ing again through and ssh tunnel. |
| 12:49.08 | iateadonut | i want to grab files off the linux box. how can i do this? |
| 12:49.48 | Brigo | iateadonut, scp |
| 12:50.07 | iateadonut | ravegen, i like virtualmin, which has a good dns server. |
| 12:50.19 | iateadonut | brigo, yeah, but i'm ssh'ing into a router, then ssh'ing again. |
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| 12:50.31 | iateadonut | i was thinking i would have to do something with ports or something |
| 12:50.49 | Brigo | iateadonut, try it, really no sure. |
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| 12:51.27 | inframare | iateadonut: You could portforward to the target ssh server (configure in the router) - Or you could investigate reverse ssh connections to bypass this requirement |
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| 12:52.50 | inframare | Any hardened grub configuring users able to assist me debug the apparent inability of my system to set a grub graphics resolution |
| 12:53.06 | inframare | I believe I am tweaking all the right knobs, but so far no dice |
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| 12:53.31 | inframare | Could using the SeaBIOS coreboot payload have any bearing on this? |
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| 12:54.38 | inframare | Should I have an 'insmod font' in my /boot/grub/grub.cfg - there is only loadfont in a test statement before setting the gfx variables |
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| 12:57.14 | blubee | hi guys, i am running jessie stretch |
| 12:57.31 | blubee | if I install nvidia drivers, either from backports or stretch directly ffmpeg cannot record the screen |
| 12:57.38 | blubee | it says it fails to get device :0,0 |
| 12:57.54 | nkuttler | blubee: what's jessie stretch? |
| 12:58.03 | blubee | i've tested both stretch and jessie-backports nvidia driver but removing nvidia driver and screen recording works |
| 12:58.12 | blubee | nkuttler: i ment debian stretch |
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| 12:58.50 | babilen | iateadonut: You could configure multi-hop in your ~/.ssh/config such as "Host SecondHop\n\tProxyCommand ssh FirstHop -W "%h:%p"" |
| 12:58.55 | blubee | the ffmpeg log just says it can't get access to device 0,0 |
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| 12:59.24 | blubee | any idea how I could work around this? |
| 12:59.49 | inframare | babilen: Will this automatically handle scp also? |
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| 13:01.18 | babilen | inframare: I think so, but try |
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| 13:01.49 | inframare | babilen: Ah, handy :) |
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| 13:04.39 | blubee | anyone have any idea about ffmpeg and nvidia driver in testing? |
| 13:05.49 | Psy-Q | on the wiki, resending email verifications ends in a 500 internal server error |
| 13:05.57 | Psy-Q | who could i inform? |
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| 13:08.48 | Antares | http://i.imgur.com/XFmvF3J.png |
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| 13:09.25 | Brigo | Psy-Q, https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianWiki |
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| 13:09.40 | Psy-Q | Brigo: thanks! |
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| 13:09.46 | Brigo | Psy-Q, np :) |
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| 13:12.58 | Psy-Q | ah, the issue has been reported since november 2015 |
| 13:13.04 | a_||| | How can I limit a user to only access /home/user ? |
| 13:13.07 | Psy-Q | good to know |
| 13:13.07 | a_||| | On server |
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| 13:14.48 | ravegen | How do you check the hard disk reliability on linux os? |
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| 13:16.30 | blubee | can this log help anyone help me debug this |
| 13:16.43 | blubee | this is the report from ffmpeg: http://pastebin.com/TuKjLcJd |
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| 13:18.57 | teraflops | blubee: ffmpeg? Are you in debian jessie? |
| 13:20.00 | blubee | teraflops: i am using testing/stretch |
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| 13:21.51 | teraflops | blubee: are you aware this channel is for debian stable? Just pointing the fact. Theres also #debian-next in oftc |
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| 13:22.08 | Paul-- | hello |
| 13:22.23 | blubee | teraflops: oh, my apologies. I'll go there and thanks for letting me know |
| 13:22.44 | teraflops | blubee: np |
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| 13:23.47 | Paul-- | how may I install the proprietary nvidia driver from synaptic , is it possible ? |
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| 13:26.01 | DammitJim | dammit nvidia!!! |
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| 13:27.04 | jelly | dpkg, tell Paul-- about nvidia dkms |
| 13:27.22 | DammitJim | Paul or DammitJim ? |
| 13:27.36 | DammitJim | dpkg, tell DammitJim about nvidia dkms |
| 13:27.41 | randommm | hi guys I just installed eclipse on deb sid and when trying to create a new file it keeps on shooting memory errors. I tried with several different args (like memory @ 3000M) for the JVM but still no luck. Any clue? |
| 13:27.41 | jelly | not Paul, one less. |
| 13:27.42 | iateadonut | Brigo babilen, thanks for the great suggestions |
| 13:27.56 | Paul-- | yesterday I tried to install the proprietary driver instead nouveau free driver , but the system don't start with X , so I must delete xorg.conf to reset it |
| 13:28.12 | jelly | dpkg, tell DammitJim about msg the bot |
| 13:28.18 | jelly | ^_^ |
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| 13:28.25 | DammitJim | LOL @ jelly |
| 13:28.40 | DammitJim | Paul--, I'm dealing with similar issues |
| 13:28.51 | DammitJim | but I need to get back to work instead of messing with this *sigh* |
| 13:29.24 | jelly | Paul--: you should have gotten a private message from the dpkg bot (maybe in a separate tab/window of your irc client), read it carefully |
| 13:29.40 | Paul-- | DammitJim, I don't like particullary the graphic , but using virtualization I must use proprietary driver to have more performance |
| 13:29.53 | Paul-- | expecially in video decompression |
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| 13:31.08 | Paul-- | yes, the bot are answering me , thx |
| 13:31.14 | DammitJim | interesting... not sure how it helps with virtualization |
| 13:31.49 | Paul-- | DammitJim, in graphic of the virtual-machine don't help this ? |
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| 13:32.17 | Paul-- | I mean render image or decompress video/audio strem ecc... |
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| 13:33.14 | babilen | iateadonut: So, you are a happy donut that will embrace the multi-hop in the future? |
| 13:33.55 | MaBunny | i love sugar and spice |
| 13:34.06 | MaBunny | wants a donut |
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| 13:34.25 | Brigo | iateadonut, yw :) |
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| 13:40.35 | DammitJim | what live backup solution do you guys use for your debian workstations? |
| 13:40.39 | Guest97133 | https://vk.com/govtech The Kurds in Syria, announced the creation of a federal region |
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| 13:41.55 | rootd00d | ah i'm gonna lose my shit |
| 13:42.43 | rootd00d | hey, has anyone used xfce to connect to a windows 10 machine using a Live ID account? |
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| 13:42.53 | rootd00d | via thunar? |
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| 13:43.43 | dagerik | cronjob send email. where is this configured |
| 13:45.19 | DammitJim | dagerik, isn't that in /etc/crontab ? |
| 13:45.37 | DammitJim | sorry, my suggestion is probably worthless |
| 13:45.49 | DammitJim | I've never done it, so don't listen to me |
| 13:46.05 | rdz | hey all. i'm following some installation guide to install a tomcat8 server applet. it says i should edit /usr/share/tomcat8/bin/catalina.sh and add a line 'JAVA_OPTS="-some -Java -options"'. But won't this file might get overwritten in case of a Debian upgrade? is there a way to add that config to some more 'proper' place? |
| 13:46.15 | dagerik | could it be possible that cron simply invokes the sendmail for any output? |
| 13:46.26 | dagerik | but where does it send to |
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| 13:46.46 | DammitJim | it sends it to the user that the cronjob runs as |
| 13:46.58 | DammitJim | so, if you are running it as root, it'll go to the root email account |
| 13:47.11 | jim | what package do you dpkg-reconfigure to correct an error in the hostname? |
| 13:47.12 | DammitJim | but you can override the MAILTO variable in /etc/crontab |
| 13:47.26 | DammitJim | jim, you'd just do: vi /etc/hostname |
| 13:47.40 | jim | ok |
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| 13:49.21 | marus | i want to install debian 8 but at the network configuration, it detect my wlan0, and when i enter the right ssid and right PSK, debian can't connet |
| 13:49.29 | marus | any idea, where to start? |
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| 13:50.31 | edg | @marus are you in the possibility to install via ethernet? |
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| 13:50.42 | edg | that's less hassle |
| 13:50.56 | fireba11 | and set up wlan after install is done |
| 13:51.05 | edg | indeed :) |
| 13:51.08 | jim | DammitJim, what goes in there, the fqdn? or just the hostname? |
| 13:51.30 | DammitJim | just the hostname |
| 13:51.35 | DammitJim | not the fqdn |
| 13:51.40 | jim | ok |
| 13:51.42 | DammitJim | you do the fqdn in your /etc/hosts |
| 13:51.51 | DammitJim | but someone else can correct me on this |
| 13:51.55 | DammitJim | what is this for anyways? |
| 13:52.03 | marus | edg: yes, but router far away, must move desktop with monitor, i need to get wireless during the installation |
| 13:52.04 | edg | what's for what? |
| 13:52.13 | edg | DammitJim ? |
| 13:52.14 | marus | i will try something now |
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| 13:52.37 | DammitJim | marus, nothing better than wireless, man |
| 13:52.38 | edg | @ marus is your wifi handing out dhcp properly? |
| 13:52.39 | marus | /etc/hosts server like dns server |
| 13:52.58 | jim | someone's got the wrong value in there, I;m trying to find out what exactly goes in there... so if fqdn is a.b.c.d, then hostname gets a? |
| 13:52.58 | marus | DammitJim: lol yes man, i'm wireless :-P |
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| 13:53.15 | DammitJim | yes |
| 13:53.30 | DammitJim | marus, for an install, it's worth wiring it, believe me |
| 13:53.39 | DammitJim | I've dealt with that in the past, but that's just me |
| 13:53.46 | edg | same here :) |
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| 13:54.05 | jim | and then what goes in /etc/hosts? (are you sure ther's not a dpkg-reconfigure for that?) |
| 13:54.13 | edg | but wireless install should be possible of course |
| 13:54.28 | edg | maybe manual config and set static ip for the installe? |
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| 13:54.52 | edg | tripple check the auth mechanism and psk and stuff |
| 13:54.55 | DammitJim | there is a looooong distance between wireless and wires |
| 13:55.04 | jim | wireless install from (say) netinstall should work fine if wireless chipset can be found before packages are downloaded |
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| 13:55.16 | DammitJim | jim, sorry if I have misguided you, but I am not aware of such a dpkg-reconfigure package for just a hostname |
| 13:55.30 | DammitJim | jim, in /etc/hosts you set up your hostname and FQDN |
| 13:55.30 | marus | DammitJim: i've got that in the past, |
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| 13:55.45 | jim | I'm not sure how much problem is there |
| 13:55.52 | DammitJim | I love wireless, but for configuration, I don't trust it |
| 13:56.01 | DammitJim | why do you say that, jim? |
| 13:56.08 | DammitJim | your /etc/hosts file should be pretty much empty |
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| 13:56.17 | edg | what's the error with the hostnam Jim? |
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| 13:56.27 | edg | what does the system not do? |
| 13:56.52 | jim | well he's got the filename of the installer image in there instead |
| 13:57.21 | jim | the machine is an mx, and it's not getting mail |
| 13:57.33 | edg | hmm |
| 13:57.39 | edg | which MTA u use? |
| 13:57.48 | jim | he is using exim4 |
| 13:58.09 | edg | i have a postfix mailserver running, nothing special in /etc/host(name) |
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| 13:58.17 | DammitJim | +1 edg |
| 13:58.24 | edg | only in the MTA config file the hostname mail.... is declared |
| 13:58.28 | DammitJim | it's not receiving mail? |
| 13:58.32 | jim | and we configured it, just going back now and correcting host/name |
| 13:58.35 | DammitJim | then you have an issue with ports or routing |
| 13:58.53 | DammitJim | jim, what do you see in the logs? |
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| 13:59.10 | jim | I haven't checked them on his machine |
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| 13:59.38 | DammitJim | not reading the logs is flying blind |
| 14:00.02 | jim | but before I do, I want to make sure the configuration is right, then test it, then look at the logs if there's a problem |
| 14:00.14 | karlpinc | Is /etc/mailname (man mailname) relevant to this discussion? (Haven't seen the backhistory) |
| 14:00.35 | edg | you have to correct the config with the help of your logs jim :): |
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| 14:00.47 | jim | I dunno, let me check |
| 14:00.52 | edg | if you test it and it fails that's where the logs are for |
| 14:00.52 | DammitJim | right, basic troubleshooting... look at the logs before and after |
| 14:00.57 | Antares | https://vk.com/hyades ваÑе Ð.Ð.Я.Ð.Ь ÑÑÑаÑ
поÑеÑÑла !!!!!!! |
| 14:01.02 | Walakea | is there a CLI tool to convert audio (like audacity)? |
| 14:01.10 | edg | @walakea yes |
| 14:01.10 | edg | :) |
| 14:01.15 | DammitJim | Walakea, convert what to what? |
| 14:01.22 | edg | dir2ogg for instance |
| 14:01.29 | karlpinc | !ops Antares has sent us a single spam link. |
| 14:01.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: karlpinc complains about: Antares has sent us a single spam link. |
| 14:01.32 | edg | guess it's named like that in aptitude |
| 14:01.39 | Walakea | mostly flacs and mp3s to ogg |
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| 14:02.05 | babilen | karlpinc: ta |
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| 14:02.42 | jim | babilen, antares is a russian spammer, we had to ban him several times |
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| 14:03.15 | jim | he should probably be reported to freenode staff (or maybe that was done already) |
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| 14:03.50 | jim | also talk to svetlana, she knows what he's writing specifically |
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| 14:07.14 | Shib | hi |
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| 14:07.43 | Shib | has anybody here got experience with disk encryption on debian 8.3? |
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| 14:08.51 | jim | Shib your best bet is to ask your specific question, providing as much info as possible |
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| 14:09.53 | Shib | i encrypted my old asus always with this tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9pn2PYbDdA - but at the startup i got always some problems |
| 14:10.38 | Shib | now i've got my new t450s with an samsung evo 850 and want to install debian 8.3 xfce and encrypt the drive, are there some tutorials or something like this online or will this one work? |
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| 14:11.06 | karlpinc | Shib: I'd follow the instructions in the install guide. |
| 14:11.20 | jim | this is why I wanted a dpkg-reconfigure for this... I found the same value in more than one place |
| 14:11.36 | Shib | karlpinc: from the video i posted? |
| 14:11.57 | karlpinc | !install guide |
| 14:11.57 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>. |
| 14:12.02 | rozie | Shib: is this LUKS encryption? (sorry, won't watch video) |
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| 14:12.25 | karlpinc | Shib: Yeah, getting anyone to watch the video is unlikely. |
| 14:12.40 | Shib | rozie: give me one moment, i didn't have any knowledge in this |
| 14:13.12 | Shib | it's aes as i see |
| 14:13.27 | jim | could someone show me an /etc/hosts created by a netinstall for a machine on a static IP with a domain name? I want to copy what I see over the error in the /etc/hosts for the person I'm trying to help |
| 14:13.42 | zykotick9 | Shib: i did watch the youtube video quickly... just have to say there is an option for encrypted-LVM during the install... it's a LOT easier than that tutoral of manually setting up all partitions... YMMV. |
| 14:13.45 | karlpinc | Shib: If it isn't luks it should be. It's really the right way to do it. (aes is a cipher, luks can use various ciphers.) |
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| 14:14.18 | pragomer_1 | hi. running qemu as normal user works. running as root I get |
| 14:14.22 | pragomer_1 | No protocol specified |
| 14:14.23 | karlpinc | Shib: Read the official instructions. If you've questions ask here. |
| 14:14.24 | pragomer_1 | Could not initialize SDL(No available video device) - exiting |
| 14:14.53 | pragomer_1 | No protocol specified : Could not initialize SDL(No available video device) - exiting |
| 14:15.06 | pragomer_1 | how can I run qemu as root? |
| 14:15.20 | karlpinc | Shib: Do you want more than one partition? |
| 14:15.32 | Shib | karlpinc: no just one |
| 14:15.37 | karlpinc | Shib: (Besides /boot and / I mean.) |
| 14:15.42 | karlpinc | Shib: Then it's easy. |
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| 14:16.02 | Shib | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/install.pdf.de is this the right instruction? de because i'm german |
| 14:16.36 | karlpinc | Shib: That looks right. There's also a german channel you can get help. Want the name? |
| 14:16.55 | Shib | karlpinc: allright. yeah would be nice :) |
| 14:17.00 | karlpinc | !de |
| 14:17.00 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 14:17.47 | Walakea | speaking of which, is there a czech / slovak community? |
| 14:18.08 | Shib | thanks :) |
| 14:18.23 | karlpinc | !tell Walakea about cz |
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| 14:19.14 | karlpinc | Walakea: Maybe there's something in solvak as well, but I don't know the factoid. |
| 14:19.27 | Walakea | there is no one there |
| 14:19.41 | Walakea | on the cz channel |
| 14:20.00 | karlpinc | Walakea: Check debian.org and see if there's mailing lists or some such. There's sure to at least be translators. |
| 14:20.07 | jim | if the netinstall image put (on line 5 if it matters) 11.22.33.44 Debian-70-wheezy-64-minimal, what should go there to correct the error? |
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| 14:20.24 | jim | the fqdn, or just the hostname? |
| 14:20.44 | Walakea | i dont need translations, i just wanted to know if there is a community |
| 14:20.59 | karlpinc | Walakea: The translators would be part of the community. |
| 14:21.15 | karlpinc | Walakea: (Being able to translate and all. :-) |
| 14:23.28 | karlpinc | Shib: Talk to the channel so everyone can help. |
| 14:23.43 | Shib | karlpinc: allright |
| 14:23.53 | Shib | i didn't found something about luks in the pdf |
| 14:24.01 | Walakea | can i repartition disk i am currently using? |
| 14:24.21 | jim | is there a reason I'm not getting responses? my questions are direct and the answers should be very simple and direct |
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| 14:25.25 | Shib | just 2 sites with something from the encryption but that doesn't help me much |
| 14:25.47 | Shib | best would be a picture or video tutorial for luks if someone would know a good source |
| 14:26.11 | karlpinc | Shib: Encryption is first mentioned here. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition You pretty much just say, yes, I want encryption. And give it a password. |
| 14:26.28 | jim | Shib, debian has an install guide... you would read it |
| 14:26.42 | teraflops | jim: sorry i dont know what your issue is. |
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| 14:27.18 | Shib | karlpinc: thanks, the text is a bit different from the pdfs |
| 14:27.22 | Shib | will check that |
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| 14:27.47 | evariste_gallois | hi all |
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| 14:28.04 | jim | teraflops, I have the problem almost solved, I just need to see an /etc/hosts made on a machine with a static IP and a domain |
| 14:28.05 | Shib | oh, and for the desktop environment - are there any pro/cons why to use gnome/xfce or why to not? |
| 14:28.13 | evariste_gallois | somebody knows why swig2.0 has been removed from testing ? |
| 14:28.22 | karlpinc | Shib: You'd be better off just trying the installer and asking here if there are issues. (If there's not much guidance. The install guide does not tell you to "press this button if you want FEATURE". That would be insanely dull.) |
| 14:28.30 | teraflops | jim: but that's not the issue |
| 14:28.46 | karlpinc | Shib: Install both. Then switch back and forth and see what you like. |
| 14:29.49 | karlpinc | Shib: It might be easier to install one during installation. Just so you don't have to use expert mode. Then ask here about installing the other. (Probably something like "aptitude install gnome".) |
| 14:30.07 | jim | teraflops, with respect, I've just spent a coupla hours on this determining what the exact problems are... I got this, I know what the issues are, I just need to see that file as a template |
| 14:30.19 | Shib | karlpinc: allright, thanks! |
| 14:30.22 | karlpinc | evariste_gallois: I bet the bug tracking system knows. |
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| 14:30.51 | evariste_gallois | karlpinc: ok thanks |
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| 14:30.58 | teraflops | Jim. Ah it's a secret. Ok |
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| 14:31.38 | pragomer_1 | ok. copied .Xauthority to /root/ it now works |
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| 14:32.58 | jim | well for one thing I can't reveal his ip or fqdn, but the analysis of the problem is already completed... to have someone come in now after the fact and make additional claims as to what the problems are, has its own problems: too many cooks, the new cooks naven't seen the recipes |
| 14:34.18 | jim | speaking of secrets, woudl the answer to my question be one? |
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| 14:35.12 | teraflops | jim: sure a fdqn is a secret and the ip it's pointing is a secret too... |
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| 14:36.58 | jim | howbout this: if the fqdn is available via dns, is there even any need for a line in /etc/hosts specifying it |
| 14:37.00 | jim | ? |
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| 14:37.47 | teraflops | jim: nope |
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| 14:38.41 | jim | teraflops, I can respect that, no one wants additional spammers and attackers on their IP, and there could be other sensitive data in there |
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| 14:39.38 | jim | ok, so if there's not any need for that line, I'll just have him get rid of it and correct /etc/hostname, and then reboot |
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| 14:44.29 | teraflops | There's no need to edit /etc/hostname by hand since the hostname command takes care of that file and adds the proper entry in /etc/hosts too |
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| 14:51.22 | teraflops | jim: well. Unless you rely on /etc/hosts to resolve names because nsswitch or something like that. But since you don't specify what the issue is... |
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| 14:52.47 | jelly-home | teraflops: when did the hostname command started editing files? |
| 14:53.32 | jelly-home | or are you being too subtle for me |
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| 14:57.49 | Brigo | hostnamectl maybe? |
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| 14:58.28 | teraflops | jelly-home: nope youre right. It does not touch tje hosts file. But it add the hostname to /etc/hostname |
| 14:58.48 | teraflops | Sorry for the mistake |
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| 15:04.11 | jelly-home | teraflops: what command do you have to run to make it edit the file? |
| 15:04.32 | teraflops | Brigo: no. Hostnamectl does not touch /etc/hosts file. |
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| 15:05.20 | teraflops | jelly-home: hosts or host file? |
| 15:05.32 | teraflops | Hostname* |
| 15:05.36 | awal1 | Anyone get this http://paste.debian.net/416343 when trying to update/check pepperflash status? |
| 15:05.53 | jelly-home | teraflops: /etc/hostname |
| 15:06.13 | jelly-home | teraflops: I don't see anything in the manual about it being able to write down that file. |
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| 15:07.04 | teraflops | Host command does it. Also hostnamectl. Those for sure |
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| 15:07.11 | jelly-home | ah. |
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| 15:08.17 | jim | teraflops, I think receiving mail has some problem like looking up of IPs... his mgr now says they're going with a different solution anyway. sigh... |
| 15:08.34 | teraflops | My mistake was about edit an entry in /etc/hosts file too |
| 15:08.52 | teraflops | jim: ah mail. |
| 15:09.25 | jim | yeah, sshing into that box doesn't seem to be a problem |
| 15:09.26 | jelly-home | hostnamectl does say it can change the static name, and asks for root permissions |
| 15:09.39 | jelly-home | "host" is just for dns lookups. |
| 15:09.45 | teraflops | Yeah with sudo works |
| 15:09.59 | jelly-home | hostnamectl works without sudo, too |
| 15:10.10 | jim | there's not a debconf question for the hostname? |
| 15:10.28 | jelly-home | jim: no, that's the installer. |
| 15:10.59 | jelly-home | but hostnamectl is systemd specific |
| 15:11.12 | teraflops | jelly-home: yes |
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| 15:11.36 | jim | jelly-home, ahh... well he's running jessie on the remote, so that should be systemd |
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| 15:12.08 | jim | teraflops, btw, I do appreciate your time and your help |
| 15:12.34 | teraflops | jim: np |
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| 15:17.02 | maxxe | how can I add a daemon, a custom one, that doesn't have a script under /etc/init.d to start/stop on boot/poweroff |
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| 15:17.56 | vinci | Hi all. Question : how can I contact someone at archive.debian.org ? the Release file of squeeze-backports repository is marked as "Expired" |
| 15:18.15 | teraflops | maxxe: if youre in jessie and you use systemd, just create a systemd unit file |
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| 15:23.15 | NOSKian3 | hello everyone. I have just installed debian 8 on my system and when i try to install any program by "apt-get install <program>" it shows E: Unable to locate package <program name>. Please help. |
| 15:23.47 | ku678j | you need to sudo apt-get install |
| 15:23.50 | ku678j | or as root |
| 15:24.02 | zykotick9 | NOSKian3: when you installed, did you have internet working? if not, then your sources.list is missing important stuff! |
| 15:24.10 | NOSKian3 | ku678j: im in as root |
| 15:24.24 | ku678j | apt-get update works? |
| 15:24.26 | NOSKian3 | zykotick9: yes internet is working fine |
| 15:24.37 | zykotick9 | NOSKian3: BUT, when you installed was it? |
| 15:25.01 | NOSKian3 | zykotick9: no it wasnt |
| 15:25.41 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell NOSKian3 about sources.list |
| 15:25.49 | maoli | NOSKian3: can you show us your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:25.50 | NOSKian3 | ku678j: works but "shows reading package lists... Done" |
| 15:26.25 | zykotick9 | NOSKian3: see the PM from dpkg, and update your sources.list. |
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| 15:27.05 | NOSKian3 | maoli: # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.0.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20150425-12:54]/ jessie contrib main #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.0.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20150425-12:54]/ jessie contrib main # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: #deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: #deb-src http: |
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| 15:27.24 | zykotick9 | NOSKian3: <in my opinion> if the installer doesn't have internet, it leaves a system rather "broken" |
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| 15:28.01 | NOSKian3 | zykotick9: but in other distros it worked fine till now |
| 15:28.21 | zykotick9 | NOSKian3: "other distros" != debian |
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| 15:29.17 | zykotick9 | NOSKian3: just fix you're sources.list and you'll be off to the races ;) |
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| 15:29.24 | zykotick9 | s/you're/your/ |
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| 15:30.10 | KlausedSource | does anyone know where I can find up to date armv7hf debian packages for chromium-browser? Isn't there a repository or something? All I find in the net suggests downloading chromium from some dropbox user account since google won't precompile for armv7hf anymore. |
| 15:30.24 | NOSKian3 | zykotick9: im a begineer in this field so can you tell me how do i fix the sources.list? |
| 15:30.38 | KlausedSource | I'm on Rasbian Jessie btw |
| 15:30.39 | zykotick9 | !sources.list |
| 15:30.39 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 15:31.04 | jim | zykotick9, and it runs the gamut as to how broken it is, and how easy to fix it once you reboot into the new install |
| 15:31.06 | zykotick9 | NOSKian3: you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list (as root) and verify/add the three lines mentioned above. |
| 15:31.40 | mtn | KlausedSource: you wan to ask on the raspbian channel |
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| 15:32.31 | KlausedSource | mtn, isn't this a general debian issue? since rasbian uses debian sources? |
| 15:32.38 | mtn | !raspbian |
| 15:32.39 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 15:32.49 | KlausedSource | alright thx :) |
| 15:33.14 | zykotick9 | NOSKian3: note, you can comment (# at begining of line) any of the CD entries, then it won't prompt you for it ever... YMMV |
| 15:33.24 | debian101 | Hello, after install wkhtmltopdf, I have this error " sh: 1: /var/chroot/wkhtmltox-jessie-amd64: Permission denied " ", can you help-me ? I am newbie in server :-S |
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| 15:34.26 | debian101 | I have to chmod or chown ? I execute him with webserver (apache) and phpscript. Thank you very much :) |
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| 15:38.09 | NOSKian3 | zykotick9: it worked. thanks |
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| 15:38.20 | zykotick9 | NOSKian3: glad to help. |
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| 15:42.59 | jessu | Hi when I install a OS sudo can not be assigned to a user ?? |
| 15:43.05 | jessu | sudo not working in my debian |
| 15:43.42 | mtn | !sude |
| 15:43.46 | mtn | !sudo |
| 15:43.47 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 15:43.49 | jessu | devop@devOp:~$ sudo su - |
| 15:43.52 | jessu | bash: sudo: command not found |
| 15:43.59 | jessu | Ok |
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| 15:44.13 | jessu | thanks mtn |
| 15:44.16 | jessu | thats so weird |
| 15:44.18 | mtn | jessu: welcome |
| 15:44.27 | jessu | but why debian do so |
| 15:45.11 | sypher | jessu: Minimalism. Not every installation requires sudo. |
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| 15:45.21 | bezaban | you still have su :) |
| 15:45.25 | jessu | root@devOp:~# visudo |
| 15:45.27 | jessu | -su: visudo: command not foun |
| 15:45.30 | jessu | why is it so ?? |
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| 15:45.44 | sypher | jessu: Because sudo isn't installed by default. Which means neither is visudo. |
| 15:46.03 | jessu | so I edit /etc/sudoers |
| 15:46.06 | jessu | ok |
| 15:46.21 | bezaban | no. you 'apt-get install sudo' as root |
| 15:46.29 | sypher | jessu: ... sudo isn't installed by default. Why would editing sudoers help you??? |
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| 15:47.10 | jessu | Media change: please insert the disc labeled |
| 15:47.12 | jessu | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.15 | jessu | in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press ente |
| 15:47.22 | sypher | !paste |
| 15:47.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 15:47.49 | sypher | jessu: At this point, you need to consult documentation/Google for Debian package management basics. |
| 15:48.09 | jessu | sypher: this room can't help please? |
| 15:48.18 | rozie | jessu: edit /etc/apt/sources.list so it doesn't include cd-rom |
| 15:48.40 | sypher | jessu: Help you by giving you every command to enter, rather than having you learn to use the resources you have available? |
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| 15:49.09 | jessu | rozie: that file doent exists |
| 15:49.10 | melt | !tell jessu about sources.list |
| 15:49.38 | rozie | jessu: and no, people rather spend time in some other way than copy-pasting obvious information present on the internet |
| 15:49.46 | melt | jessu: follow the information provided by dpkg. you have to modify your sources.list file |
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| 15:50.09 | melt | rozie: simmer down bro, no need to be hostile, we are all someone else's noob |
| 15:50.11 | rozie | jessu: how did you install, exactly? |
| 15:50.18 | jessu | using usb |
| 15:50.27 | sypher | melt: No, rozie's exactly right. |
| 15:50.30 | melt | he installed from usb without network mirror, now he needs to turn them on |
| 15:50.36 | jessu | !tell jessu about sources.list |
| 15:50.49 | melt | yup |
| 15:50.58 | melt | jessue if you /query dpkg you can issue commands to him directly. |
| 15:51.24 | melt | jessu: dpkg helped me a million times |
| 15:51.25 | rozie | melt: I'm far from being hostile. just explaining the situation |
| 15:51.31 | rozie | s/melt/jessu/ |
| 15:51.53 | rozie | jessu: is network working on this system? |
| 15:51.54 | jessu | rozie: what ? |
| 15:52.07 | jessu | that dpkg said something |
| 15:52.13 | jessu | but there I have those 3 url's |
| 15:52.16 | jessu | what I do |
| 15:52.18 | jessu | remove them ? |
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| 15:52.55 | rozie | sources are in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory |
| 15:53.08 | jessu | I gotthem |
| 15:53.14 | jessu | but what I should o there |
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| 15:54.27 | plop28 | hi here |
| 15:55.23 | plop28 | sorry guys, i need a BIOS for an old Proliant Server and im not able to download it without a real HP account. Is anyone can help me ? the file is SP66350.exe |
| 15:55.58 | rozie | jessu: dpkg provides clear information about sources list |
| 15:56.19 | rozie | just put those 3 lines in proper file |
| 15:56.21 | jelly-home | plop28: which proliant model? |
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| 15:56.43 | jessu | hello ?? |
| 15:56.47 | plop28 | DL385 G7, here is a direct link https://h20564.www2.hpe.com/hpsc/swd/public/detail?sp4ts.oid=4132833&swItemId=MTX_c2e29adecc2449b7a1013d650e&swEnvOid=4064#tab-history |
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| 15:57.11 | jelly-home | ah, amd. |
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| 15:57.40 | plop28 | yep 24 threads at slow mghz :/ |
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| 15:59.06 | jelly-home | plop28: sorry, we don't have any of those |
| 16:00.22 | plop28 | jelly-home: ahh, you must have DL385 to allow download ? |
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| 16:02.08 | jessu | root@devOp:~# apt-get update |
| 16:02.10 | jessu | E: Malformed line 9 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) |
| 16:02.12 | jessu | E: The list of sources could not be read. |
| 16:02.25 | jelly-home | plop28: need a serial number from that model, don't have our hp account ready |
| 16:02.43 | jelly-home | plop28: you have a PM |
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| 16:14.38 | jessu | f3ckkk debian changed and troubling me :( |
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| 16:15.39 | jessu | oops solved the issue |
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| 16:22.24 | jessu | Hi can someone help how can my make my debian desktop as ssh server |
| 16:22.27 | jessu | ? |
| 16:23.34 | zykotick9 | jessu: "apt install openssh-server" done... |
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| 16:25.02 | lesta | jessu what debian? 7 or 8? |
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| 16:25.07 | okee | Does Jessie read NTFS directories? The reason that I ask is that I lost my ability to see NTFS drives on the computer. This was not a problem with Wheezy. |
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| 16:25.40 | okee | I have run fsck after unmounting the other drives, and that doesn't appear to be the problem. |
| 16:26.10 | okee | I checked blkid, and fstab, and the ntfs drives are definitely there. Also, checked their data with the ls command, so something else is going on. |
| 16:26.34 | lesta | lsblk ? |
| 16:26.55 | lesta | pmount /dev/sdxx |
| 16:27.08 | teraflops | okee: perhaps you need to install ntfs-3g or just your fstab is not ok |
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| 16:27.37 | jessu | lesta: debian 8 and zykotick9 then can I login to this ip from juisessh a mobil app? |
| 16:27.38 | teraflops | As lesta says mount it by hand to see the output |
| 16:27.43 | okee | How do I know if the fstab is ok? Everything else in fstab is fine. I just can't see ntfs. |
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| 16:28.46 | lesta | jessu: maybe there is some confusion...what is zykotick9 ? |
| 16:28.58 | zykotick9 | lesta: i am ;) |
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| 16:29.06 | lesta | ahh sorry |
| 16:29.28 | jessu | lesta: no I was asking him |
| 16:29.39 | jessu | after installing openssh |
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| 16:30.01 | lesta | ok, anyway take a look to http://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Debian_8&p=ssh |
| 16:30.15 | lesta | very esay approch |
| 16:30.21 | lesta | sorry easy |
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| 16:31.18 | jessu | ok thanks lesta |
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| 16:32.10 | lesta | SSHd is a amazing file server but need some reading ......... |
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| 16:35.43 | jessu | ifconfig not working in debian |
| 16:35.57 | nkuttler | !doesn't work |
| 16:35.57 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 16:38.05 | Tundra-Server | jessu: try sudo ifconfig |
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| 16:38.23 | zykotick9 | jessu: or try "/sbin/ifconfig" |
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| 16:38.24 | Tundra-Server | Pretty sure that will work |
| 16:38.27 | jessu | Tundra-Server: yes bt why ? |
| 16:38.38 | Tundra-Server | I have no idea why its like that |
| 16:38.42 | zykotick9 | jessu: /sbin isn't in user's default PATH |
| 16:38.57 | jessu | zykotick9: I installed openssh server now what I am following that url lesta provided but I stalled ssh and all before |
| 16:40.14 | zykotick9 | jessu: i just checked that link... it does disable root login (probably a good idea)... |
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| 16:41.41 | jessu | I disabled |
| 16:41.52 | jessu | but now what next I am not able to ssh |
| 16:42.02 | jessu | to ip I got from ifconfig |
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| 16:42.15 | Tundra-Server | jessu: is the IP static? |
| 16:42.21 | zykotick9 | jessu: firewall? port forwarding? |
| 16:42.35 | Tundra-Server | And are you trying locally or remotely? |
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| 16:43.16 | zykotick9 | jessu: i'd start with "ssh localhost" from the server itself... as a first step. |
| 16:43.34 | jessu | I am ubuntu user and I used to ufw here which firewall |
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| 16:43.51 | jessu | I am using mobile internet so it should be dynamic |
| 16:44.02 | Tundra-Server | jessu: you come here looking for ubunt help |
| 16:44.11 | jessu | no debian os |
| 16:44.17 | jessu | now I am in debian |
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| 16:45.29 | lesta | ssh user_name@remote_IP:port/home/user_dir/ |
| 16:45.50 | sworup182 | hello everyone. Can anyone tell me how to add ppa repository? |
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| 16:46.23 | lesta | sworup182: in debian? |
| 16:46.30 | sworup182 | lesta: yes |
| 16:47.05 | lesta | I do not think that there are ppa repository in debian ... |
| 16:47.17 | karlpinc | !tell sworup182 about don't break debian |
| 16:47.25 | lesta | that is ubuntu ... ask in #ubuntu |
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| 16:47.57 | karlpinc | sworup182: Or tell us what your goal is and let us tell you the best way to get there. |
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| 16:48.41 | jessu | lesta: I want to ogin from windows using putty then how? |
| 16:48.50 | jim | where do questions for xen under debian go? |
| 16:48.51 | jessu | whic ip I should give |
| 16:48.53 | jessu | ?? |
| 16:49.01 | sworup182 | karlpinc: i was trying to install gnome-pie |
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| 16:49.44 | msg | hi all |
| 16:50.02 | msg | When i run a program on the command line i get some stuff back, including an error message |
| 16:50.18 | msg | im curious if that specific error message is on stdout or stderr |
| 16:50.20 | msg | Whats the easiest way to find out? |
| 16:50.25 | karlpinc | jessu: Your debian box has an IP. Find it by typing "ip addr show dev eth0". Then connect to that ip. |
| 16:50.32 | mkb | you can use shell redirection to send say stdout to /dev/null and if it's still there it's stderr |
| 16:50.47 | mkb | msg, >/dev/null would only send stdout to /dev/null |
| 16:50.55 | mkb | 2>/dev/null would only send stderr to /dev/null |
| 16:51.09 | karlpinc | sworup182: If you don't get an answer right away, ask again after 10 or 20 minutes. |
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| 16:51.22 | karlpinc | sworup182: I don't know what gnome-pie is. |
| 16:51.25 | mkb | but remember it's also possible the program opened /dev/tty and wrote there |
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| 16:51.58 | msg | ay, that worked great :) |
| 16:52.02 | sworup182 | karlpinc: anyways thanks for you help. |
| 16:52.12 | msg | 2> /dev/ull looks like it dropped the error |
| 16:52.23 | msg | (which is great because it was screwing things up) |
| 16:52.32 | karlpinc | msg: That's pretty much what you'd expect. |
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| 16:52.50 | jessu | karlpinc: NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP |
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| 16:53.02 | lesta | jessu: http://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Debian_8&p=ssh&f=3 |
| 16:53.21 | karlpinc | sworup182: What's wrong with "aptitude install gnome-pie". Or apt-get or whatever tool you want to use. |
| 16:53.25 | karlpinc | sworup182: ? |
| 16:53.57 | karlpinc | jessu: Then it's not on a wired connection, probably. Try just "ip addr". |
| 16:54.43 | karlpinc | jessu: You can ignore the loopback address on lo. |
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| 16:55.16 | r0ck_ | guys, if I run vnc4server on debian jessie with MATE DE |
| 16:55.28 | r0ck_ | how should I start the mate session in the config file? |
| 16:55.32 | jessu | karlpinc: : wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> |
| 16:55.45 | r0ck_ | the old thing says exec gnome-session-classic & |
| 16:55.48 | r0ck_ | but thats not what I have |
| 16:55.49 | r0ck_ | ? |
| 16:55.54 | karlpinc | jessu: It'd be on a line below that. You know what an IP address looks like? |
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| 16:57.57 | jessu | karlpinc: thats not connecting and its same as ifconfig |
| 16:58.19 | karlpinc | jessu: Yes, it'd be the same as ifconfig. Are you running a ssh server? |
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| 16:58.35 | jessu | karlpinc: run ?? |
| 16:58.37 | jessu | how ? |
| 16:58.52 | karlpinc | jessu: Is the openssh-server package installed? |
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| 16:59.00 | jessu | karlpinc: yes |
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| 16:59.33 | karlpinc | jessu: And "ss -lt" lists *:ssh as listening? |
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| 17:00.38 | jessu | karlpinc: yes |
| 17:01.04 | jessu | LISTEN 0 128 *:sunrpc *:* |
| 17:01.07 | jessu | LISTEN 0 128 *:ssh *:* |
| 17:01.23 | karlpinc | jessu: And how is the machine you're trying to use to connect with connected to the network? |
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| 17:01.53 | jessu | yes |
| 17:01.57 | jessu | it has |
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| 17:02.09 | karlpinc | jessu: You can ping the IP of the debian box? |
| 17:03.24 | Echo6_ | did a symbolic link and it showed up in red when the rest are in aqua. What did I do wrong? |
| 17:03.25 | jessu | yes working |
| 17:03.27 | jessu | karlpinc: |
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| 17:04.23 | karlpinc | jessu: Ok. Two things. I suppose it's possible that ssh started up before your wireless was connected, and so it's not listening. So we could try to restart sshd. Or, we look at the sshd logs and see what it thinks is happening. |
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| 17:05.20 | karlpinc | jessu: Let's try restarting sshd, just in case. First, be root. Then "systemctl restart ssh". While you're at it, afterwards, "systemctl status ssh". |
| 17:05.48 | karlpinc | Echo6_: Probably nothing. |
| 17:06.08 | karlpinc | Echo6_: There's colorization going on to tell you what's what. I always trun it off. |
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| 17:06.37 | karlpinc | Echo6_: I find colors very distracting. |
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| 17:06.46 | Echo6_ | it meant that it was invlaid |
| 17:06.50 | Echo6_ | invalid |
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| 17:07.20 | karlpinc | Echo6_: Ah, didn't point to anything. Ok. On the other hand, you can make the symlink first, and then make the file later. |
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| 17:08.33 | jessu | karlpinc: systemctl restart ssh I did |
| 17:08.38 | jessu | then restart machine also? |
| 17:08.48 | karlpinc | jessu: No. |
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| 17:09.19 | jessu | karlpinc: Mar 17 22:38:20 devOp sshd[5252]: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. |
| 17:09.21 | jessu | Mar 17 22:38:20 devOp sshd[5252]: Server listening on :: port 22. |
| 17:09.22 | karlpinc | The "status" says it's "loaded", "active" and "running". |
| 17:09.25 | jessu | then ? |
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| 17:09.36 | jessu | then why it's not runnong |
| 17:10.20 | jessu | karlpinc: I mean not opeing from other machines |
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| 17:12.16 | jessu | karlpinc: it's same and not working |
| 17:12.22 | jessu | can I do any thingmore? |
| 17:12.46 | karlpinc | jessu: You can look at the logs. Hang on. |
| 17:12.52 | jessu | ok |
| 17:13.52 | r0ck_ | Guys, why I always see this in my vncviewer: http://imgur.com/cTxoysh |
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| 17:14.08 | karlpinc | jessu: "tail -f /var/log/auth.log" will give you login attempts, as they happen. But let me look for a more detailed log. You can try that, and try logging in, and see if anything shows up. |
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| 17:15.02 | karlpinc | jessu: Yeah. By default everything ssh shows up in /var/log/auth.log. So try that and see if you see anything in the logs. |
| 17:15.18 | karlpinc | jessu: You need to be root. |
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| 17:16.13 | jhutchins | You can also launch putty from the command line with -v to get more output on what's happening. |
| 17:17.02 | karlpinc | jhutchins: It may be a MS Windows client, which makes it harder.... I haven't gone there yet. |
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| 17:17.28 | jhutchins | karlpinc: Yeah, still works. |
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| 17:17.40 | jessu | karlpinc: http://pastebin.com/QtdrGAvC |
| 17:17.42 | karlpinc | jessu: You will need to hold down the ctl key and press the "c" key to stop the "tail" program. |
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| 17:18.34 | jessu | karlpinc: I know but what info it gave? |
| 17:18.37 | karlpinc | jessu: Does anything come out while you try to ssh in? |
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| 17:18.54 | jessu | no it's just blocking |
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| 17:19.43 | Tundra-Server | jessu: are you currently trying to connect from an external network or a local network? |
| 17:19.56 | karlpinc | Tundra-Server: Apparently he can ping. |
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| 17:20.08 | jessu | externalnetwork |
| 17:20.19 | jessu | Tundra-Server: |
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| 17:20.52 | Tundra-Server | jessu: and where did you get the ip that you are trying to connect with? |
| 17:21.04 | karlpinc | Tundra-Server: ifconfig and ip addr |
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| 17:21.46 | karlpinc | jessu: Let's go back to the question you didn't answer. How is the machine you're trying to connect from connected to the network? |
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| 17:22.14 | jessu | karlpinc: yes |
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| 17:22.25 | jessu | both have network but different karlpinc |
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| 17:22.52 | JordiGH | Is there a gogame AI in Debian? |
| 17:22.57 | karlpinc | jessu: So how are the 2 different networks connected? |
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| 17:23.05 | karlpinc | !tell JordiGH about search |
| 17:23.09 | karlpinc | JordiGH: There must be. |
| 17:23.10 | Zharf | JordiGH, there's gnugo |
| 17:23.25 | Zharf | but gnugo hasn't seen any development in years, iirc |
| 17:23.29 | JordiGH | karlpinc: Searching for "go" is annoyingly difficult. |
| 17:23.38 | JordiGH | Zharf: Oh, and how do I play it? |
| 17:23.42 | karlpinc | JordiGH: debtags is helpful. |
| 17:23.54 | JordiGH | karlpinc: I bet it's easier to tell me how easy it is than to actually find it. |
| 17:24.17 | karlpinc | JordiGH: Yup. :-) That's why I didn't go looking for you. |
| 17:24.58 | karlpinc | JordiGH: My favorite is searching for "R", the statistics utility. |
| 17:25.01 | Zharf | JordiGH, it's been years since I tried... but it's just a text based program, should be easy to figure out |
| 17:25.08 | JordiGH | I've tried qgo before, but I couldn't figure out how to make it play against gnugo. |
| 17:25.34 | JordiGH | I wonder if it's even possible anymore. Perhaps the connection between the two is bitrotten. |
| 17:25.46 | r6ku | JordiGH: try fuego, if you want to play against other people then try KGS |
| 17:25.48 | karlpinc | jessu: If you like we can try watching the network traffic and checking that the ping you issue from the remote machine makes it to the debian box. |
| 17:25.51 | Zharf | you can play against bots on kgs and ogs I'm sure though |
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| 17:26.04 | JordiGH | Oh, no, that was easy enough. |
| 17:26.14 | JordiGH | Zharf: Doesn't kgs require non-free software? |
| 17:26.29 | r6ku | JordiGH: there are no free go servers |
| 17:26.32 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 17:26.35 | Zharf | openjdk isn't free enough? :) |
| 17:26.43 | r6ku | kgs client is non-free |
| 17:26.54 | Zharf | who cares... |
| 17:27.03 | JordiGH | We care. This is why we use debian. |
| 17:27.07 | r6ku | he brought it up... |
| 17:27.09 | JordiGH | And why we have a DFSG. |
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| 17:27.30 | JordiGH | Anyway, I guess qgo with gnugo will keep me busy. |
| 17:27.31 | Zharf | no, if you cared then you would write it yourself |
| 17:27.49 | Zharf | bots are generally terrible players though |
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| 17:28.00 | JordiGH | omfg, #debian should not be like "lol i dunno" when it comes to free software. |
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| 17:28.11 | JordiGH | A terrible player is great for learning. |
| 17:28.15 | r6ku | no it's not |
| 17:28.17 | Zharf | hardly |
| 17:28.32 | r6ku | bots are bad, like really really bad for you |
| 17:28.38 | JordiGH | Well, isn't everyone contrarian. |
| 17:28.47 | JordiGH | Let's agree on something. |
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| 17:28.51 | JordiGH | I'm tired of disagreeing with you. |
| 17:28.55 | r6ku | do you have a local go club near you? |
| 17:29.01 | JordiGH | I do! |
| 17:29.02 | JordiGH | Yay! |
| 17:29.06 | JordiGH | We have something of an agreement! |
| 17:29.10 | karlpinc | Someone else is going to have to continue to help jessu, if he's still here. |
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| 17:29.49 | Zharf | JordiGH, anyway, you can discuss more about go on #go |
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| 17:30.29 | JordiGH | Zharf: I just wanted to get a Debian client. |
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| 17:32.06 | jhutchins | ls hasn't been updated in a long time, maybe it should be removed. |
| 17:32.17 | Zharf | <3 |
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| 17:33.34 | Walakea | does current debian stable offer installation with btrfs file system? |
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| 17:35.47 | Mazhive | joh guys can some one help me with a postgrl startup failure.. cant get the permission right on a server.key.. and some other files.. |
| 17:36.04 | karlpinc | Walakea: Probably, you'd either have to try it or check the instructions to be sure. It might, possibly, need to be in expert mode. |
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| 17:37.02 | karlpinc | Mazhive: Probably, tell people your error message. If you don't get enough help ask in #postgresql. |
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| 17:38.46 | Mazhive | ah.. oke ..well maybe i can tell the problem here and try in postgresql too.. |
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| 17:39.22 | karlpinc | Mazhive: It's considered bad etiquette to ask in 2 places at once. |
| 17:40.19 | karlpinc | Mazhive: The folks in #postgresql know postgres on debian so they are the ultimate experts. Still, I'd think that people he would also be helpful. YMMV. |
| 17:41.22 | Walakea | how large are the disk snapshots in comparison to the original content? |
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| 17:43.39 | laurus | Is there a program to make reminders that display using notifications? |
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| 17:44.03 | JordiGH | Yes. |
| 17:44.05 | Mazhive | thank you for mention it.. !! :) |
| 17:44.20 | Mazhive | be off to other channel then.. |
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| 17:45.11 | dontknow | JordiGH, would you share the name of the program? |
| 17:45.54 | abrotman | laurus: for which GUI? |
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| 17:46.36 | laurus | abrotman, let me rephrase, is there a way to write something like a Python program to display notifications at specified times? |
| 17:47.27 | JordiGH | dontknow: There are a bunch, gnome shell for example has pomodoro. |
| 17:49.02 | JordiGH | Task Coach is another one: http://taskcoach.org/ |
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| 17:51.35 | kurt11 | Can I and should I install virtualbox guest additions via debian repository? |
| 17:52.23 | free_speech | typing crontab -e opens the crontab of the user who calls it - so far, so good, but what is confusing me a bit is the fact, that the crontab is copied to /tmp before opening it in the editor. where is the location of the user crontab file IN USE? ( I want to backup my crontab via cronjob ) |
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| 17:53.09 | DammitJim | kurt11, pretty sure you can |
| 17:53.20 | DammitJim | but it's super easy to just use virtualbox from their website |
| 17:53.29 | free_speech | ( and I don't mean the system-wide crontab ... I mean the user specifig one ) |
| 17:53.40 | free_speech | s/specifig/specific |
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| 18:02.15 | r0ck_ | is it possible to connect to current session with vnc4server? debian jessie - mate de? |
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| 18:02.39 | Shib | hey |
| 18:02.57 | Shib | karlpinc: you here? |
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| 18:03.24 | ziz15 | i was wondering today does using older versions of programs means they maybe lack some security fixes that come with the newer versions(not new features and etc of newer versions) |
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| 18:04.06 | Shib | is it normal when the disk is encrypted that i get "volumegroup" not found every time? |
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| 18:04.52 | zykotick9 | ziz15: security updates are backported to debian packages... so strict version numbers may not show what's been done... |
| 18:05.27 | ziz15 | zykotick9: ok :) |
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| 18:05.50 | Shib | https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2011-September/msg00045.html |
| 18:05.56 | Shib | that is what i also get every time |
| 18:06.04 | Shib | and this shit is there since 2011? what o.O |
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| 18:07.53 | okee | Can someone help me get Jessie to read ntfs? Has anyone else experienced difficulty in reading ntfs files with Jessie? I already have installed ntfs-3g, and it just don't work. |
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| 18:10.02 | nulleip | okee maybe your filesystem is corrupted |
| 18:11.05 | okee | nulleip> I have already ran fsck, after umounting the drives, and that doesn't appear to be the problem. Something else is going on. |
| 18:11.08 | nulleip | since huge part of ntfs are still in blackbox the best thing would be running a chkdsk /r on it... |
| 18:11.27 | nulleip | on windows.. |
| 18:11.30 | okee | nulleip> the data is still there, an I have verified this with fstab, etc. |
| 18:11.46 | nulleip | okee can you mount it? |
| 18:12.07 | okee | nulleip> The drives are mounted, but not readable by Debian Jessie stable. |
| 18:12.21 | okee | nulleip> I remounted the drives after running fsck. |
| 18:12.27 | nulleip | okee I do have jessie running and use ntfs on some pen drives... no problems.. |
| 18:12.44 | nulleip | okee permissions are ok? |
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| 18:13.11 | okee | nulleip> Permission don't show up with chmod, since chmod doesn't recognize ntfs. |
| 18:13.25 | okee | nulleip> Permissions show up as question marks. |
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| 18:13.51 | karlpinc | !tell ziz15 about new code |
| 18:13.54 | nulleip | okee you have a corrupted file system then... should show either way |
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| 18:14.56 | okee | nulleip> How do I fix it? fsck didn't do it after unmounting the drives, and running fsck on /dev/sdc3 |
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| 18:15.19 | nulleip | okee try running chkdsk /R on windows instead of fsck |
| 18:15.53 | nulleip | okee ntfs is a blackbox, sure ntfs-3g have done a great job, but still... |
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| 18:16.26 | nulleip | okee I think this is not jessie/linux issue |
| 18:17.03 | mtn | okee: easy test. try to mount it from another os live disk |
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| 18:17.14 | okee | nulleip> I am not running windows, and therefore chkdsk /R is not going to do any good. I am running Debian Jessie, and my problem is that Jessie doesn't read ntfs, or at least not on my computer. |
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| 18:18.04 | nulleip | okee if you say you can mount it then it has support for ntfs, trough ntfs-3g at least |
| 18:18.26 | nulleip | okee do as mtn said, try on another live os.. |
| 18:18.32 | okee | mtn> Yes, that is a good idea. which one do you recommend? Knoppix? |
| 18:18.35 | nulleip | okee should do the trick |
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| 18:19.21 | okee | nulleip> I just spoke to someone in the #linux channel, and he advised that he had no problem reading ntfs with Jessie, so something is wrong with my computer. |
| 18:19.42 | okee | I will be back in a little while. I need to find my box of OS that are on DVD |
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| 18:27.42 | GinoMan | hey, I'm working on packaging a custom program we use where I work that sets up a raspbian install for use in a kiosk that we make. Is there a way to make sure the architecture is a raspberry pi and not just an armhf |
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| 18:31.17 | premoboss | hi guys, i need to crosscompile for arm, so i am following the page https://wiki.debian.org/CrossToolchains, i do all steps to add the deb reposity, add the key fingerprint of reposityo and so on. but when i do apt-get update, i receive error "impossible resolve embedian.org" .soe ideas? my /etc/resolv.conf is ok. |
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| 18:33.46 | GinoMan | actually... n/m. I don't need to worry about that if raspi-config is a dependancy |
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| 18:41.31 | jhutchins | okee: How do you determine that the drive is not readable? |
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| 18:43.24 | donald | hello |
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| 18:44.18 | donald | I have get an error during I made a new partition on a usb stick after a formattage |
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| 18:44.57 | donald | echec during the initialisation: not any file or folder of this type |
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| 18:47.09 | hiya | hey guys if I add Ipv6 once to eth0 |
| 18:47.16 | hiya | it would not do away even on reboot right? |
| 18:47.48 | jhutchins | hiya: Depends on how you add it. |
| 18:47.58 | hiya | ip -6 addr add 2002:c000:203::1/64 dev eth0 |
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| 18:48.01 | hiya | I would do this ^ |
| 18:48.05 | hiya | nothing else |
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| 18:48.17 | jhutchins | hiya: That would not survive a network restart or reboot. |
| 18:48.34 | DammitJim | survive as in a reboot is like an attack! |
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| 18:50.08 | hiya | jhutchins, then what should I do? |
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| 18:50.14 | greycat | hiya: you need to configure /etc/network/interfaces or one of the stupid new things that Debian can sometimes do instead, to make it persist |
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| 18:50.40 | hiya | greycat, new stupid things? |
| 18:50.40 | hiya | :D |
| 18:50.51 | greycat | Like "network manager", whatever the hell that is. |
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| 18:51.00 | jelly-home | or systemd-networkd |
| 18:51.09 | jelly-home | or whatever comes next |
| 18:51.20 | hiya | ok |
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| 18:51.22 | greycat | because editing a file and running a command was too *easY* |
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| 18:51.42 | hiya | I would edit the file |
| 18:51.46 | jelly-home | greycat: clearly you need an async rpc api. |
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| 18:57.22 | hiya | So just adding to network/interfaces is good ? |
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| 18:57.43 | greycat | Try It And See |
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| 18:59.03 | bibi23 | hello, I'm using dnsmasq with resolvconf. In /etc/resolvconf.conf, any idea why name_servers works but name_servers_append is discarded? |
| 18:59.08 | jhutchins | hiya: It depends on how you have the interface configured now. |
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| 19:00.08 | hiya | lol |
| 19:00.19 | hiya | jhutchins, Cannot you tell the final solution? |
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| 19:00.51 | frikinz | donald: how and where is this error shown? |
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| 19:01.05 | greycat | hiya: No, because we don't know whether YOUR system is using network-manager, or systemd-networkd, or some other weird crazy thing I've never even heard of. |
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| 19:01.37 | cheapie | Is there a way to make aptitude faster, or am I stuck with apt-get or something on slow computers? |
| 19:02.09 | jelly-home | cheapie: faster doing what? |
| 19:02.11 | frikinz | bibi23: I don't see name_servers_append in resolvconf manpage. ? |
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| 19:02.26 | cheapie | jelly-home: Faster at loading. |
| 19:02.39 | cheapie | (building view, etc.) |
| 19:02.53 | jelly-home | cheapie: are you talking about its interactive mode? |
| 19:02.58 | jelly-home | text UI? |
| 19:02.58 | cheapie | Yes. |
| 19:03.16 | jelly-home | ok. |
| 19:03.30 | bibi23 | frikinz: it should be more in resolvconf.conf I think |
| 19:03.32 | jelly-home | don't use that, so not going to comment further |
| 19:03.41 | cheapie | "aptitude install whatever" is fine. |
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| 19:04.07 | frikinz | bibi23: man resolv.conf doesn't say so |
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| 19:05.05 | bibi23 | frikinz: man resolvconf.conf |
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| 19:06.25 | fernie | yeah aptitude is unusable on something like raspberry pi.. |
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| 19:08.38 | frikinz | bibi23: oh I see. I haven't been using resolvconf for a while, sorry. you could also use two -r options on dnsmasq (haven't tried either) |
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| 19:10.25 | frikinz | havent used aptitude in a while since it began showing me crazy solutions (like not installing the package I asked to install) or even going into infinite loops |
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| 19:11.04 | hiya | greycat, I am using a vanilla Debian minimal server without any of those things, Also cannot I add a /32 ? or I need /64? |
| 19:11.36 | greycat | If you didn't add network-manager then /etc/network/interfaces will probably work. Maybe. TRY IT AND SEE. |
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| 19:13.37 | Ooze | sudo apt-get update |
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| 19:13.46 | Ooze | oooops |
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| 19:14.00 | frikinz | bibi23: as I read the manpage of dnsmasq it probably won't work in fact |
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| 19:14.28 | bibi23 | frikinz: dnsmasq is configured as needed, the thing is that eventually it needs to put itself in /etc/resolver.conf and somehow this process is discarding the appended server. Anyway thanks that you tried to look, I cannot find that much thing on google unfortunately, not a common use-case.. |
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| 19:17.25 | bitch_ass_ | Hi! |
| 19:17.37 | bitch_ass_ | I don't receive mails in Icedove with Torbirdy enabled |
| 19:17.40 | bitch_ass_ | Why is this? |
| 19:17.50 | bitch_ass_ | My accounts are Openmailbox and Riseup |
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| 19:23.40 | r0ck_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.55 | r0ck_ | is undeletable for users, but executable for users? |
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| 19:25.14 | frikinz | xxx |
| 19:25.23 | frikinz | oops |
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| 19:26.29 | okee | mtn> How do I check the journal to make sure it is ok? I am still waiting for Knoppix to finish downloading. |
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| 19:27.34 | jhutchins | r0ck_: Pretty sure that if it's not writable, it's not deletable. |
| 19:27.38 | okee | I just noticed the cd version of knoppix is 701mb, while my CDs are only 700mb. I probably should have downloaded the DVD version. |
| 19:27.50 | jhutchins | r0ck_: You can play around with that. |
| 19:27.59 | jhutchins | r0ck_: Do some testing. |
| 19:28.00 | mkb | okee, really? |
| 19:28.10 | mkb | it's not a 1000 vs 1024 issue is it? |
| 19:28.24 | epsilon | okee: burn the cd iso on dvd |
| 19:28.25 | okee | mkb> Explain |
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| 19:28.34 | jhutchins | okee: Did you validate the burned CD? |
| 19:28.38 | r0ck_ | jhutchins: I can delete with my current user account a nonwritable file |
| 19:28.41 | r0ck_ | from my Desktop dir |
| 19:28.52 | jhutchins | okee: Being different filesystems, they can appear as different sizes. |
| 19:29.14 | okee | jhutchins> It is still downloading. How do i check the journal in Jessie, to make sure it is ok. I am having trouble getting Jessie to detect ntfs drivers. I have run the fsck routine and it didn't work. |
| 19:29.26 | jmd` | jmcnaught: In case you were interested in the outcome yesterday, it seems that orca only works when run as root. |
| 19:29.49 | mkb | some people say a kilobyte is 1000 bytes and some say it's 1024 bytes. but it would be very stupid if the CD image is larger than any CD |
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| 19:30.19 | greycat | r0ck_: Yes, as long as you have write permission on the *directory*, and the directory is not sticky (or you are the file's owner), you can remove files. |
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| 19:30.22 | r0ck_ | http://imgur.com/qnEp0zZ - it is still deletable by the user logged in |
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| 19:30.45 | greycat | File permissions are not relevant to removing files. Only directory permissions are. |
| 19:30.47 | TomTomTosch | okee, mkb, a 700 MB cd is probably a 700 MiB cd (737MB) |
| 19:30.52 | r0ck_ | greycat: so I have to make a dir with that file that is owned by root |
| 19:31.07 | r0ck_ | and the user will be able to go to that dir, execute file, but will be not able to delet dir or file\? |
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| 19:31.33 | jhutchins | r0ck_: Interesting, confirmed that even if the file is owned by root and has no permissions the user can remove it. |
| 19:31.36 | greycat | r0ck_: If you want the ordinary user not to be able to delete the file, put the file in /usr/local/bin (or wherever is appropriate), then make a symlink in the user's ~/Desktop/ |
| 19:31.44 | okee | TomTomTosch> Will it work for a Knoppix distro that is downloading as a 701mb? My CDs indicate they are 700mb. |
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| 19:31.57 | greycat | You can't stop the user from removing the symlink in ~/Desktop/ but the actual file is safe. |
| 19:32.04 | r0ck_ | greycat: thank you! great idea! ;) |
| 19:32.05 | r0ck_ | thanks |
| 19:32.09 | TomTomTosch | okee, it should. |
| 19:32.18 | okee | ok |
| 19:32.18 | jhutchins | greycat: This knowledge comes slowly back to me now. |
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| 19:32.48 | TomTomTosch | okee, what i meant to say is that mkb is right ;D |
| 19:32.54 | jhutchins | okee: How are you trying to access the files? |
| 19:33.02 | jhutchins | okee: The ntfs files? |
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| 19:35.07 | jhutchins | Differences in filesystem sizes: http://www.osta.org/technology/cdqa7.htm |
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| 19:35.17 | okee | jhutchins> I have tried accessing them by cd / into their director at the command line, and the files are there, but security options are not showing up with chmod, nor are the drives accessible through the linux gui. |
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| 19:35.49 | jhutchins | I believe that the 74 minute disc is 700MB, while the 80 is more like 800. |
| 19:36.09 | mkb | 80 minutes is exactly 846.72 MB |
| 19:36.12 | greycat | People still use CDs? |
| 19:36.15 | jhutchins | okee: You can acces them as root, but not as a regular user, right? |
| 19:36.18 | mkb | but I don't know if the error detection codes are different for data |
| 19:36.32 | okee | I had to fsck the drive that Centos was on as well, but that one recovered, while none of the ntfs ones did. I did umount them before running fsck. |
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| 19:36.54 | jhutchins | !user accessible ntfs |
| 19:36.54 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
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| 19:37.02 | frikinz | I remember a long time ago burning a little more than 700MB of data on a 700MB CD. there's probably a margin |
| 19:37.09 | okee | jhutchins> I can access them as a regular user, but only at the command line. |
| 19:37.12 | TomTomTosch | greycat, what else do you want to put into your cd-walkman? |
| 19:37.34 | greycat | Actually I burn audio CDs for the car on occasion. |
| 19:37.54 | greycat | But it's rare enough that it's been years since I last bought any. |
| 19:37.57 | frikinz | overburn (10MB) |
| 19:38.20 | jessu | Hi I have my ssh server running but I am not able to connect to this machine by ssh |
| 19:38.22 | frikinz | good old ripping time :) |
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| 19:39.45 | jelly-home | jessu: show your work. How does a ssh client fail? Can you confirm network connectivity with "telnet remote-machine 22"? |
| 19:39.45 | jmcnaught | jmd`: that doesn't sound right at all. did you try using orca in gnome with a brand new user account? |
| 19:40.20 | jhutchins | jessu: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 19:40.23 | jelly-home | jessu: which debian release are you using, on the server, which OS and client and version on the client? |
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| 19:41.00 | r0ck_ | greycat: still the local user can delete the hardlink without any problems |
| 19:41.04 | r0ck_ | is there any other solution? |
| 19:41.18 | greycat | I didn't say HARD link. I said symlink. |
| 19:41.20 | jessu | jelly-home: debian 8mand used pen ssh server |
| 19:41.25 | jhutchins | +i? |
| 19:41.29 | greycat | And yes, the user can remove the symlink. I said that already. |
| 19:41.41 | jelly-home | pen? |
| 19:41.50 | greycat | "pen test" is hacker speak for penetration test |
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| 19:42.40 | jelly-home | greycat: surely a technician doing penetration testing would recognize and debug network connectivity? |
| 19:42.53 | jelly-home | needs to lay off sarcasm |
| 19:43.19 | r0ck_ | greycat: I still can delete symlink |
| 19:43.22 | r0ck_ | with regular user |
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| 19:43.33 | mkb | you can always delete something in a directory you own |
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| 19:44.03 | jhutchins | jessu: What do you mean by "used pen ssh server"? |
| 19:44.14 | greycat | And yes, the user can remove the symlink. I said that already. |
| 19:44.14 | jessu | open* |
| 19:44.27 | jessu | typo sorry |
| 19:44.30 | greycat | 15:31 greycat> You can't stop the user from removing the symlink in ~/Desktop/ but the actual file is safe. |
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| 19:46.24 | r0ck_ | so is there any way to make a undeletable for a user file in his desktop dir? |
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| 19:46.32 | r0ck_ | +xecutable? |
| 19:46.38 | mkb | what are you really trying to accomplish? |
| 19:47.13 | r0ck_ | I want to make an IT-HELP executable that launches x11vnc server |
| 19:47.19 | r0ck_ | and then I connect for a help |
| 19:47.45 | mkb | there's a way to make shortcuts and such show up in menus |
| 19:47.56 | mkb | I think it's .desktop files in /usr somewhere |
| 19:48.14 | mkb | https://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en |
| 19:48.19 | mkb | that might be more appropriate |
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| 19:48.48 | karlpinc | r0ck_: You can't ssh into their box, become the user, and start x11vnc? |
| 19:49.32 | jelly-home | jessu: there are several components needed to make an ssh connection work. You need a running ssh daemon on the remote machine. You need to be connecting to the CORRECT remote machine. You need be able to connect at all (ie. have working network on the client, and no network elements in the way). You need to have a working ssh client. |
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| 19:49.55 | jelly-home | jessu: verify each of those. |
| 19:49.56 | greycat | (you need to authenticate) |
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| 19:50.35 | jelly-home | tried not to involve layer 8 |
| 19:50.39 | karlpinc | jelly-home: He claims to be able to ping, but nothing shows up in the auth.log. I think maybe tcpdump to verify pings is called for. Or diagnosing from the client side. |
| 19:50.54 | karlpinc | There's a backhistory above. |
| 19:50.55 | mkb | is it an ipv6 issue |
| 19:50.58 | jelly-home | karlpinc: a ping wouldn't show up in the auth.log. |
| 19:51.17 | mkb | ping talks ipv4 which works and ssh sees the ipv6 address and tries to connect to that |
| 19:51.19 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Right. But a ssh connection should. |
| 19:51.28 | jelly-home | mkb: ping isn't IP at all! |
| 19:51.35 | mkb | yes it is |
| 19:51.40 | greycat | it's IP but not TCP |
| 19:51.42 | mkb | yes |
| 19:51.45 | jelly-home | oh right |
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| 19:51.50 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Of course verbosity might need to be turned up in the server log. But I'm thinking client-side would be easier. |
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| 19:52.59 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Because a ping won't show I'm thinking tcpdump just to verify the ping is getting there and it's not some sort of network issue. It's not clear how the client and server networks are connected. (Unless there's been some added info recently.) |
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| 19:53.40 | jmcnaught | jmd`: if orca still doesn't work for a new user in a gnome session, it could be a soundcard sharing issue. did you do anything to the default pulseaudio setup? |
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| 19:54.05 | careta | hey guys |
| 19:54.19 | careta | I'm trying to install gcc-mips-linux-gnu but it forces me to uninstall gcc-multilib |
| 19:54.28 | jmcnaught | jmd`: orca definitely shouldn't need to be run as root, so there's something non-standard on your machine |
| 19:54.31 | careta | any idea why, and what is the harm (if any) in that? |
| 19:54.44 | jhutchins | jessu: You're going to have to be a bit more generous with information if we're going to be able to help you. Ok, so you're running openssh server on Debian and trying to connect - with what OS and client? Does it say connection refused or hang and time out? Have you tried increasint the client verbosity to see what's happening? Do you know you can reach port 22 on the server? |
| 19:54.45 | careta | I'm on amd64 and I want to cross compile for mips |
| 19:55.54 | jelly-home | karlpinc: I'll just wait for more info, or questions on how to get said info. |
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| 19:58.21 | jhutchins | careta: I notice there are several guides for building mips on x86. |
| 19:58.51 | careta | jhutchins, I'm not looking for a guide, just why it wants me to uninstall multilib? |
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| 19:59.00 | careta | it's just weird |
| 19:59.11 | greycat | Because of a package dependency. |
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| 20:02.31 | jhutchins | careta: I believe it's a more complex setup than just installing the compiler. I know some processes like that use a chroot. CentOS had a whole chroot build manager for a while. |
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| 20:05.29 | karlpinc | r0ck_: Talk to the channel so we can all help. |
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| 20:05.43 | karlpinc | r0ck_: So ask their permission first. |
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| 20:07.04 | karlpinc | r0ck_: Give them an icon to click on that sends you and email granting you permission to get in and support them. |
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| 20:08.13 | r0ck_ | karlpinc: but they can easily delete the icon from desktop |
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| 20:08.26 | r0ck_ | you know, some users are just users, they like their stuff on desktop, not systems |
| 20:08.31 | karlpinc | r0ck_: So tell them you need an email. They can always send one manually. |
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| 20:09.00 | Lisa1273 | Hey. Why is "system default" XFCE for me? I thought you guys said Gnome was the default? |
| 20:09.12 | karlpinc | r0ck_: Are these corporate boxes or what? |
| 20:09.20 | r0ck_ | its not very convincing |
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| 20:09.21 | r0ck_ | yes |
| 20:09.26 | r0ck_ | corporate |
| 20:09.31 | careta | jhutchins, thanks I'll have a look at that! |
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| 20:09.59 | jelly-home | Lisa1273: which debian release do you have installed? |
| 20:10.35 | Lisa1273 | jelly-home: 8.3 netinstall? |
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| 20:11.09 | karlpinc | r0ck_: If it's corporate I don't see how you can possibly convince your users that you can't spy on them if you wanted to. So either give them a technical slight-of-hand-bone or just always verbally ask their permission. Have your boss reassure them. |
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| 20:12.05 | jelly-home | Lisa1273: if it was installed from the official netinst image, then the person installing it chose to install xfce de at install time |
| 20:12.12 | karlpinc | r0ck_: Trying to solve a people problem with technical means is usually futile. |
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| 20:12.45 | r0ck_ | yes, but I am trying to make debian a corporate system in my company |
| 20:12.52 | Lisa1273 | jelly-home: No, I checked all of the DE to test in a VM. Why did it put XFCE as system default? |
| 20:12.53 | r0ck_ | I alrady run 8 user pcs |
| 20:12.57 | r0ck_ | and I really like it |
| 20:13.05 | jelly-home | Lisa1273: pastebin the output of "lsb_release -a" and "dpkg -l task-\* | grep ^.i" |
| 20:13.06 | r0ck_ | so there must be a solution |
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| 20:13.25 | r0ck_ | I can easily spy, but they have to grant access for me if I have to help them |
| 20:13.27 | jelly-home | Lisa1273: good question, which one did you tick last? |
| 20:13.34 | r0ck_ | elste - they will be uncomfortable at their pcs |
| 20:13.50 | r0ck_ | else* |
| 20:13.51 | Lisa1273 | jelly-home: Uhm. Not sure. I went from top to bottom if that helps. |
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| 20:14.09 | jmcnaught | Lisa1273: XFCE is last alphabetically |
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| 20:14.29 | jelly-home | unless there's a ZZ-Top Desktop Environment |
| 20:14.47 | Lisa1273 | So what I pick last is set as default? Whaaaat? |
| 20:14.50 | jhutchins | r0ck_: connect via ssh as root, launch the server. Set it up to require permission from the owner of the active session. |
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| 20:15.15 | jhutchins | r0ck_: Most server setups do require that. |
| 20:15.17 | r0ck_ | jhutchins: is it possible with x11vnc? |
| 20:15.38 | jelly-home | Lisa1273: gnome is the only one selected to install _at all_ by default when you choose to install a DE. |
| 20:16.00 | jhutchins | r0ck_: It's at least possible with some of the VNC servers, it's been a while since I stomped through all of them (there are at least for, maybe six or more). |
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| 20:16.13 | Lisa1273 | jelly-home: Well, I thought it would keep the default and then install the other DE as options. |
| 20:16.17 | karlpinc | r0ck_: I have a script. |
| 20:16.30 | r0ck_ | karlpinc: can you paste.debian.net it? |
| 20:16.50 | karlpinc | r0ck_: You'd modify it so that it pops up a permission window before starting x11vnc and aborts without permission. |
| 20:17.03 | r0ck_ | k |
| 20:17.16 | karlpinc | r0ck_: It uses ssh keys to connect to the remote box. You'd have to set these up yourself. |
| 20:17.17 | TomTomTosch | Lisa1273, if you unselect gnome and select another one it will not install gnome. but that does not keep you from installing gnome now if you feel like it. |
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| 20:17.44 | karlpinc | r0ck_: Perhaps use whiptail to pop up the dialog. |
| 20:17.52 | karlpinc | r0ck_: Lemmie sanatize and paste. |
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| 20:18.04 | Lisa1273 | TomTomTosch: I never unselected gnome. :) |
| 20:18.16 | jelly-home | TomTomTosch: they're asking why, if multiple DEs _including_ Gnome are selected at install time, does Gnome not take precedence on the login screen |
| 20:19.16 | jelly-home | I guess that there's no code to take care of that at all, and that the last alternative installed takes precedence, as usual |
| 20:19.17 | TomTomTosch | ah, oh. but the DM should save what you selected last. so thats two clicks. |
| 20:19.47 | jelly-home | TomTomTosch: and on the first login of a new user? |
| 20:20.13 | Lisa1273 | jelly-home: TomTomTosch: For some reason XFCE is what the arrow is pointing at. https://i.imgur.com/mGcr8CH.png |
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| 20:20.19 | TomTomTosch | jelly-home, 2*x clicks. |
| 20:20.58 | TomTomTosch | sees the issue now. |
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| 20:21.24 | karlpinc | r0ck_: This could probably be improved upon, but I've used it for years: http://paste.debian.net/416415/ |
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| 20:22.28 | Lisa1273 | Two questions: 1) Can I read the reasoning behind choosing gnome as default somewhere? 2) If I install 8.3 now, must I format/reinstall it all over again soon as a new version comes out or is 8.3 "LTS"? |
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| 20:23.10 | r0ck_ | karlpinc: thanks, I will try to do that on my system |
| 20:23.17 | r0ck_ | many thanks again, love you guys! |
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| 20:24.01 | dontknow | Lisa1273, you don't have to remove and reinstall |
| 20:24.04 | jelly-home | Lisa1273: 1) don't assume there was too much reasoning 2) no, you don't have to. Debian has working in-place release upgrades. |
| 20:24.05 | greycat | Lisa1273: when the next version becomes stable, you will be able to upgrade from 8 to 9. |
| 20:24.10 | karlpinc | Lisa1273: Every debian release is "lts". But note that lts is still "experimental". It's been going for 2 or 3 years now but.... |
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| 20:24.25 | jelly-home | Lisa1273: I've installed the system I'm typing this from in 2001. |
| 20:24.31 | greycat | Debian LTS may not be what Lisa1273 is thinking of. |
| 20:24.46 | karlpinc | Ah. Right. |
| 20:25.03 | jelly-home | also, being able to upgrade has nothing to do with longevity of a single release ("LTS") |
| 20:25.37 | greycat | Upon release, a specific version of Debian is considered "stable". When the version after that is released, the former version becomes "oldstable", and then possibly enters "LTS" state, if someone has decided to support that. |
| 20:25.40 | karlpinc | Lisa1273: You get 1 year of full support on the old stable release after the new comes out. After that you either go to lts or upgrade in-place. |
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| 20:25.46 | Lisa1273 | Oh, wow. So many answers. |
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| 20:26.16 | greycat | wheezy-lts |
| 20:26.19 | greycat | !wheezy-lts |
| 20:26.19 | dpkg | Similar to <squeeze-lts>, longer term support for wheezy will be provided by volunteers. Offers of help in the form of time or sponsorship are gratefully accepted. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:26.47 | greycat | Jessie is still current stable, so it'll be a couple years before you need to worry about its support going away. |
| 20:27.22 | Lisa1273 | That's what I wanted to hear. |
| 20:27.30 | Lisa1273 | I hate starting from scratch. |
| 20:27.30 | karlpinc | Are we laying bets yet as to when the next stable comes out? |
| 20:27.49 | greycat | !stretch pool 1 |
| 20:27.49 | jelly-home | !stretch pool |
| 20:27.49 | dpkg | ! themÃll=2016-05-01 |
| 20:27.59 | jelly-home | faÃll |
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| 20:28.52 | jelly-home | dpkg, stretch pool 1 =~ s/$/ jellÿ=2017-03-17/ |
| 20:28.53 | dpkg | that doesn't contain '$', jelly-home |
| 20:29.09 | karlpinc | Lisa1273: You will want to glance at the release notes to see what the last upgrade process looked like. Things do change and knobs need to be turned on occasion. |
| 20:29.12 | jelly-home | your sed syntax pretense is awful, dpkg |
| 20:29.23 | jelly-home | !stretch bet |
| 20:29.23 | dpkg | To add a bet to the <stretch pool>, /msg dpkg stretch pool 1 =~ s/!/! yournick=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when "stretch pool 1" is full, create "stretch pool 2" and update this factoid. |
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| 20:29.41 | greycat | The stack-paradigm is really odd. |
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| 20:30.02 | Lisa1273 | karlpinc: Reminded me of "I could eat a knob at night." |
| 20:30.09 | jelly-home | using ! instead of ^ is fun^^ |
| 20:30.26 | greycat | That too, but adding to the *front* instead of the rear is surprising. |
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| 20:30.47 | greycat | dpkg, stretch pool 1 =~ s/!/! greycat=2017-08-15/ |
| 20:30.48 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 20:31.10 | jelly-home | greycat: the rear is output-only device |
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| 20:31.21 | greycat | Lies. |
| 20:31.27 | jelly-home | YMMV |
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| 20:47.19 | esotericnonsense | jelly-home | Lisa1273: I've installed the system I'm typing this from in 2001. |
| 20:47.33 | jelly-home | greycat: forgot to add some UTF-8 accent to avoid highlights |
| 20:47.41 | esotericnonsense | what. surely you've had a few clones to different media in there. |
| 20:48.07 | esotericnonsense | wanders off to find out when amd64 went commercial. |
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| 20:48.43 | jelly-home | esotericnonsense: it's still the same broom, even if both the software and the hardware have been replaced half a dozen times |
| 20:48.47 | esotericnonsense | 2003! |
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| 20:49.25 | esotericnonsense | jelly-home: so is it 32 or 64-bit? an inplace upgrade from 32 to 64 sounds like great fun |
| 20:49.28 | jelly-home | s/replaced/upgraded/ |
| 20:49.37 | jelly-home | esotericnonsense: it's still i386 |
| 20:49.42 | esotericnonsense | :) |
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| 20:50.04 | jelly-home | but with an amd64 kernel and a growing number of multiarch packages |
| 20:50.19 | raspdeb232 | I'm looking to find a way to connect to device over wlan0 even after I've plugged in eth0. At the moment as soon as I plug in ethernet cable I lose wirless connection. What should I look up to solve this? |
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| 20:55.09 | jelly-home | raspdeb232: sounds like your system is using network-manager, perhaps you can configure the wireless connection in there to act as a "shared internet connection" and keep running |
| 20:55.27 | mango | What command line programs are there for manipulating windows? Just wmctrl? |
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| 20:56.33 | jelly-home | mango: interactively or at window creation? there's devilspie. Some DEs or WMs have their own tools too, like kde. |
| 20:56.55 | jelly-home | xkill also manipulates windows ;-) |
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| 20:57.08 | mango | I meant interactively :) |
| 20:57.14 | mango | I know about xkill but thats not what I want :D |
| 20:57.19 | mango | I'm using cinnamon currently |
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| 20:58.20 | jhutchins | mango: What DO you want? |
| 20:58.32 | jelly-home | cake |
| 20:58.50 | mango | I want a bash program that can toggle to certain windows or back when run |
| 20:59.01 | mango | and I want this so that I can bind it to a keyboard shortcut |
| 20:59.59 | jelly-home | ok, so you need some sort of global shortcut functionality |
| 21:00.50 | jelly-home | even kde2 had those, I guess cinnamon may have something similar already as well |
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| 21:02.04 | jelly-home | my workaround is having lots of workspaces (arranged in a 2D grid, but that's not important), one app per workspace, and shortcut to switch to a specific workspace |
| 21:02.24 | jelly-home | irc is always on the bottom left |
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| 21:06.34 | jhutchins | mango: Something like chsh for X. |
| 21:06.50 | jhutchins | Why would NTP fail to fall back to the local clock? |
| 21:07.14 | jhutchins | "found 3 peers, but none is suitable" |
| 21:07.48 | karlpinc | jelly-home: What desktop gives you a 2d workspace grid? |
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| 21:08.41 | jelly-home | karlpinc: xfce, kde4, gnome2 used to, every single wm riffing of fvwm 1... |
| 21:09.06 | jelly-home | ok, I may be lying about gnome 2. |
| 21:09.09 | karlpinc | jhutchins: I'm not sure that sentence makes sense. ntp tweaks the existing clock. |
| 21:09.21 | jelly-home | karlpinc: it makes sense. |
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| 21:09.22 | karlpinc | jelly-home: xfce gives me a 1d grid. |
| 21:09.38 | jelly-home | karlpinc: configure it! |
| 21:09.59 | jelly-home | jhutchins: which stratum did you give the local clock? |
| 21:10.00 | jhutchins | karlpinc: Yes, but the local clock is traditionally configured as a fallback at stratum 10 so that the NTP service is still running if it can't reach servers. |
| 21:10.02 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Maybe I've not tried since the jessie upgrade. |
| 21:10.27 | jhutchins | karlpinc: It can still do drift, and if it's a local timeserver at least your hosts are in sync even if they're not "right". |
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| 21:10.36 | jelly-home | karlpinc: I can't be bothered to check with jessie, but they don't lose features. |
| 21:11.16 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Yup, can do it now... |
| 21:11.26 | tme5 | no, workspaces 1d in xfce :( |
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| 21:12.12 | karlpinc | tme5: You need the "Properties", not the "Workspace Settings". |
| 21:12.57 | tme5 | oh that's neat. prefer my row anyway :p |
| 21:13.00 | karlpinc | jelly-home: gnome lost lots of features, eventually including my interest. :-) |
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| 21:14.24 | jelly-home | I went from olwm and CDE to fvwm 1, afterstep for a REALLY long time, then xfce, then kde4. a 2D pager is a must for me, needs to work well |
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| 21:19.07 | karlpinc | Someday I'm going to make a complete list of my windowing desires. Dead obvious things like "edges of windows I can grab That Are More Than One Pixel Wide". I can no longer find more than a few of them in any one WM. |
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| 21:21.13 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Stratum 10. |
| 21:22.17 | jhutchins | We have VMs loose sync all the time, and every once in a while one throws that error. |
| 21:22.43 | jelly-home | jhutchins: sounds like a standard setup. No idea how isc ntpd decides a local clock is so bad, it must be detecting horrible jitter or time going backwards |
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| 21:23.24 | jelly-home | jhutchins: which hypervisor/vm solution? |
| 21:23.43 | jhutchins | VMWare ESXi. |
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| 21:23.50 | jhutchins | ~700 VMs. |
| 21:24.00 | jhutchins | I think it's five hosts. |
| 21:24.02 | jelly-home | vSphere or just ESXi? |
| 21:24.22 | jhutchins | Um.... Not sure what the distinction is. Pretty sure it's vSphere. |
| 21:24.22 | jelly-home | vmware has written recommendations on how to set up vms. |
| 21:24.48 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Yeah, well, that makes certain assumption on how the hosts are set up, like not Stratum 6. |
| 21:25.50 | jelly-home | jhutchins: https://kb.vmware.com/kb/1006427 |
| 21:26.42 | jelly-home | that's the first thing you find searching for vmware ntp linux guest so you probably already read it |
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| 21:27.21 | jhutchins | jelly-home: "No additional..." |
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| 21:28.43 | jhutchins | jelly-home: I've been through their stuff pretty thoroughly, and I've read pretty much the whole NTP project site over the years, and I've never seen this much trouble with it since they fixed drift in '07. |
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| 21:30.05 | jelly-home | I haven't been able to make our virtualized ntpds 100% reliable but did not have time to investigate properly |
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