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| 00:05.16 | WangDang_ | Hi, I want to install the backport of virtualbox to my jessie system. Following the instructions at http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ I've added a deb line to my sources.list and run apt-get update. If I start aptitude and select virtualbox, I can see that I have 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1 installed, and that 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u2 is available. But when I run "apt-get -t jessie-backports install virtualbox" I get the message that it is already at it |
| 00:06.19 | markybob | WangDang_: pastebin your sources and pastebin dpkg -l virtualbox |
| 00:07.33 | WangDang_ | markybob: k, gimme a sec... |
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| 00:12.38 | WangDang_ | markybob: Hmm, I can two versions in aptitude, but dpkg -l is only showing the installed version -> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/385ac895/ |
| 00:13.12 | WangDang_ | and come to think of it, the backports version should be 5.something |
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| 00:13.51 | markybob | WangDang_: yes it should be. you should also have deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main |
| 00:14.01 | markybob | WangDang_: not what you have |
| 00:14.23 | jmcnaught | WangDang_: virtualbox is in contrib |
| 00:14.40 | markybob | oh |
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| 00:17.35 | WangDang_ | jmcnaught: there are backports of contrib? |
| 00:17.49 | markybob | WangDang_: sure |
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| 00:18.18 | WangDang_ | and backports aren't on normal mirrors? |
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| 00:21.48 | WangDang_ | OK, markybob. I fixed sources.list as you suggested and it works now. Thanks |
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| 00:24.46 | WangDang_ | Oh, and jmcnaught, thanks too for the contrib tip |
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| 00:44.48 | neorpheus | hey there, anyone here have any experience setting up bluetooth headsets with wheezy? i keep getting stuck staring at an eternal "connecting..." |
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| 00:54.25 | pylearner | I am having issues getting selenium working with debian jessie |
| 00:55.07 | WangDang_ | can I take virtualbox-guest-additions-iso from testing to add to virtualbox of the same version (5.0.16) from jessie-backports? |
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| 00:57.14 | transhuman__ | besides ~/.bashrc for users and /root/.bashrc and /etc/profile where else does debian put path statements? |
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| 00:58.16 | transhuman__ | I cant seem even after a reboot for the settings in /etc/profile for the path to take affect for the root user |
| 00:59.21 | WangDang_ | ...cause the guest-additions-iso package hasn't been backported to jessie |
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| 01:02.16 | jmcnaught | WangDang_: well, definitely don't add a testing/stretch source to your stable system. manually installing the package with dpkg -i is dirty but probably won't break anything. or just get that iso from the upstream website |
| 01:03.56 | WangDang_ | jmcnaught: thanks. I didn't know I could just fetch an up to date iso from Oracle. I'll try, that before the dirty solution. |
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| 01:08.59 | ZodoTurtle | How do I install Java 8? |
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| 01:09.37 | fred1807 | how do I clone this sd card: https://arin.ga/d99Kv1/raw to this sd card: https://arin.ga/VtuiQY/raw ? |
| 01:09.49 | jmcnaught | WangDang_: the reason i think manually installing this package wouldn't break anything is because it doesn't have any dependencies itself, and its only recommend is virtualbox. manually installing debs from stretch in jessie is not very good advice |
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| 01:10.57 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: openjdk-8 is in jessie backports |
| 01:11.05 | WangDang_ | jmcnaught: OK, understood |
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| 01:12.02 | ZodoTurtle | !backports |
| 01:12.03 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 01:12.38 | jmcnaught | ZodoTurtle: you can /msg the bot, the topic has examples |
| 01:12.59 | ZodoTurtle | jmcnaught: yeah, that was what I was doing next. Thank you. |
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| 03:59.57 | b0xii | how would I go about adding an application to the update-alternatives list? Trying to add palemoon (not installed system-wide) to the x-www-browser list |
| 04:01.09 | b0xii | or should I be setting that another way? |
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| 05:10.43 | shifty | wish to symlink a usb-to-serial converter that currently appears as /dev/ttyUSB1 as /dev/my-thing. In the past that would have been done via udev. Has systemd changed that? (jessie here) |
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| 05:12.07 | somiaj | shifty: nope, udev is just part of systemd |
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| 05:16.00 | cafuego | replace systemd with pulseaudio |
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| 05:17.02 | Shawn | init=/usr/bin/pulseaudio |
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| 05:34.06 | amber97 | i got a hp stream r007tu, but i can't connect to wifi |
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| 05:38.16 | somiaj | amber97: I don't know what an hp stream r007tu is, but I can help you get debian connected to wifi. Is this machine you have debian on and do you know what wifi chipset it uses? |
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| 05:51.17 | somiaj | amber97: You should respond in the channel (don't need to send me a message). The iwlwifi cards require non-free firmware to function. You can get this firmware int he packgage firmware-iwlwifi from debian non-free |
| 05:51.51 | somiaj | amber97: I'm not sure about your paticular card, but if the version available in jessie doesn't support your wifi card, there are backported kernels and drivers which support more hardware available for jessie |
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| 06:32.02 | benycze | Hi all |
| 06:32.11 | shifty | somiaj: so I simply add an appropriate rule to /etc/udev/rules.d per normal and it "should work"? (I don't want to fall down an out-dated rabbit hole.) |
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| 06:32.33 | somiaj | shifty: correct |
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| 06:32.57 | benycze | I have one problem with wake-up after hibernation. Time by time it doesn't wake up correctly and it stuck on a screen with image loading. Have you ever had similar problem? |
| 06:33.09 | somiaj | shifty: I have not heard of any changes to the udev in terms of loosing backwards compadaiblity. |
| 06:33.28 | shifty | somiaj: thank you. at least I know when it doesn't work: it's my rules at fault and not ...progress. |
| 06:34.03 | somiaj | benycze: some hardware/moduels don't act to well under hibernation (full hibernation right? or just suspend?) and in that case it helps to read the logs and see if you can figure out what is causing the rroblems. |
| 06:34.20 | shifty | somiaj: when you say "backwards compatibility": can you confirm writing udev rules is current best practice for my use case? |
| 06:34.28 | somiaj | shifty: yes |
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| 06:34.42 | shifty | somiaj: thank you. |
| 06:35.01 | benycze | somiaj: yes it is full hibernation. I try to check logs. |
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| 06:35.28 | dmr | benycze: I've found dmesg to be useful for looking at (but unfortunately not quite diagnosing) hibernate/resume problems |
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| 06:36.01 | shifty | all right then: what's the best way to sniff for /specific/ USB device to write a udev rule? (tee hee :-) |
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| 06:37.01 | dmr | shifty: what do you mean by "sniff"? |
| 06:37.20 | somiaj | shifty: usually the output of dmesg will tell you a lot right after you plug it in. also lsusb can tell you about this usbid |
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| 06:38.08 | shifty | dmr: convert the dmesg output into a viable udev rule |
| 06:38.29 | dmr | I echo what somiaj said. You may also want to combine use of watch (e.g. `watch 'dmesg | tail -n 30'` - without backquotes). |
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| 06:38.52 | shifty | dmr: or, more exactly, "make a udev rule by plugging my_usb_device in" |
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| 06:39.19 | dmr | shifty: on the fly, or just setting one up now manually? I'm assuming the latter |
| 06:41.03 | shifty | dmr: (my original question is over an hour old, so synopsis here): I have a usb-to-serial device that I want to symlink as /dev/my-device. howto? |
| 06:41.25 | benycze | is there any possibility how to enable debug mode during wake-up? I was thinking about system.log_level=debug parameter during wake-up process |
| 06:41.34 | dmr | shifty: ohh... I'm not all that great with udev, but gimmie a sec... |
| 06:43.26 | dmr | shifty: I'm glancing through this guide atm... you may want to, too: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 06:46.25 | shifty | dmr: quite. and now we are back to "where can I find udevinfo in jessie?" (yes, there might be other ways, but I do this once in a blue moon, so I'd like it to be easy.) |
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| 06:48.08 | dmr | shifty: unfortunately I'm actually running a *buntu distro atm, so I can't speak anything to Jessie =\ |
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| 06:51.02 | dmr | shifty: I still need to read a bit more, but is the SYMLINK assignment key what you're looking for? |
| 06:51.56 | dmr | shifty: snippet from the referenced guide... KERNEL=="hdb", NAME="my_spare_disk" \n The above rule says: match a device which was named by the kernel as hdb, and instead of calling it hdb, name the device node as my_spare_disk. The device node appears at /dev/my_spare_disk. |
| 06:52.42 | dmr | shifty: and then ...KERNEL=="hdb", DRIVER=="ide-disk", SYMLINK+="sparedisk" \n The above rule says: match a device which was named by the kernel as hdb AND where the driver is ide-disk. Name the device node with the default name and create a symbolic link to it named sparedisk |
| 06:53.42 | shifty | ah, here we go: 'sudo udevadm info --name=/dev/ttyUSB1 --attribute-walk' |
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| 06:55.04 | shifty | dmr: (per your quoted URL, udevinfo appears to be superseded by 'udevadm info' in debian.) |
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| 06:56.14 | dmr | shifty: (thanks. I can confirm that udevadm info is on my *buntu distro, too) |
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| 07:24.22 | dmr | shifty: I'm headed away now, but will try to check any messages in a few hours (although probably won't be able to respond). Let me know how the udev stuff goes :). Also: thanks for the exercise - I've now learned more about udev, sysfs, and the like! |
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| 07:34.27 | atralheaven1 | Hello |
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| 07:34.59 | atralheaven1 | how can I set an account to be disabled (password lock) after one month? |
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| 07:38.02 | somiaj | atralheaven1: man passwd, I think there is an experation date setting |
| 07:38.27 | atralheaven1 | somiaj: can it be enabled again? or account will be deleted? |
| 07:38.54 | somiaj | I think it just disables the account |
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| 07:40.12 | somiaj | read the man page on passwd for info about locked, incative and expired accounts |
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| 07:42.05 | atralheaven1 | somiaj: I think I found the answer: "useradd username -e `date -d "2 days" +"%Y-%m-%d"` -M -s /bin/false" |
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| 07:43.07 | Amun_Ra | atralheaven1: I don't think so |
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| 07:46.21 | Ticho_ | atralheaven1: man chage |
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| 08:13.33 | atralheaven1 | change is for changing expiration date of an existing account |
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| 08:14.19 | atralheaven1 | this will create an account without shell access, home etc that will be disabled 30 days later, right? |
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| 08:31.34 | somiaj | atralheaven1: if you don't want to have shell access for the account why are you setting it up to expire and not just lock it set it as expired? |
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| 08:35.11 | atralheaven1 | somiaj: im using this account to login to openvpn |
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| 08:45.33 | somiaj | atralheaven1: you can lock the password and still su - that account as root on your system. |
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| 08:47.33 | atralheaven1 | somiaj: the openvpn user doesn't have access to the server, he just enters a username and password, which is the user/pass of the linux limited account, I need to automate disabling his account after 30 days |
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| 08:49.13 | blubee | hi what is the keyboard shortcut for the scroll action? |
| 08:49.57 | ege | blubee: on console? shift-pg-up/pg-down |
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| 08:51.51 | blubee | ege: not on the console, i want to bind the scroll motion to some other keys |
| 08:52.05 | blubee | i've tried to use xev but I can't figure it out |
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| 08:53.30 | ege | blubee: OK, than I have no clue, sorry |
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| 08:53.59 | lq | http://shrinkmy.com/ZFmSN1C6 |
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| 08:54.26 | blubee | thanks |
| 08:54.33 | julius | hi |
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| 09:10.16 | Dokona_ | Hello, did someone was already get stuck with preseeding Debian and got a bad domain name ? Installation is going well but the domain name is renamed to host.bad |
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| 09:12.39 | jubo2 | Dokona_: sounds really strange |
| 09:12.40 | somiaj | Dokona_: besides for that did the preseed work? You can just change the domain now that the system is isntalled |
| 09:12.43 | jubo2 | what are you installing |
| 09:12.55 | jubo2 | and how old Debian (support may be run out) |
| 09:13.09 | Dokona_ | jubo2: jessie (8.3) |
| 09:13.09 | jubo2 | ah.. |
| 09:13.17 | jubo2 | I thought typo of "preceding" |
| 09:13.19 | jubo2 | my bad. |
| 09:13.33 | jubo2 | doesn't even know what "preseeding" means |
| 09:13.53 | jubo2 | Dokona_: Debian Stable, always a nice choice for server |
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| 09:13.58 | Dokona_ | somiaj: it what I am doing for the moment but for automated installation that is bad ... |
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| 09:14.25 | KernTe | Hello. Does somebody know a good answer to this question concerning .deb packages? https://askubuntu.com/questions/749500/how-to-create-deb-package-without-packages-for-the-dependencies-available |
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| 09:15.14 | jubo2 | I gonna prlly be setting up Debian + Nginx + MariaDB + php + python for the http://faces.fi festival just as soon as we get my intening contract written and signed.. We agreed we need contract but no-one specified who writes it |
| 09:15.43 | somiaj | Dokona_: understandable, I don't know enough about preeseeding. Don't you want to set this for each machine anyways or they all going to have the same name? Anyways you have double checked the preeseed file and the syntax seems fine? |
| 09:15.44 | jubo2 | then once the deps are in place I'ma install Hubzilla + GNU social + GNU MediaGoblin on it |
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| 09:16.20 | jubo2 | Moi Aaaaand |
| 09:16.27 | jubo2 | Moi aaro even |
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| 09:17.50 | Dokona_ | somiaj: preseed file is good (pretty sure), and actually I have tried to install it by hand and it is the same problem. I looked about the dhcp offers but it's fine too |
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| 09:32.37 | darsie | my USB card reader isn't mounted again :(. |
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| 09:34.29 | darsie | I want to import photos off my SD card. |
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| 09:42.00 | darsie | all right, I'll get root, mount my card reader manually, copy the photos somewhere, delete them and then import them from directory. |
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| 09:44.00 | babbonatale007 | !ciao a tutti |
| 09:44.03 | babbonatale007 | !list |
| 09:44.03 | dpkg | babbonatale007: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.3.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 09:55.41 | Stoffl | Hi! Is it possible to manually install PHP 5.5 or 5.6 on a Debian 6 Server? |
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| 10:10.24 | dirkk | Hi, I need to install packages on debian (without internet). I read that I have to store packages in /var/cache/apt/archives. Now I'm searching deb file package to install it but it doesn't work. Could you tell me where I can find deb file packages please |
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| 10:12.54 | ksk | dirkk: you can just do an "aptitude download $package" on another debian with internet (assuming its the same ARCH and stuff) |
| 10:13.12 | ksk | or you can get them using a browser via packages.debian.org |
| 10:13.49 | dirkk | Thanks ksk |
| 10:13.59 | dirkk | I want to install x11vnc |
| 10:14.03 | dirkk | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/x11vnc |
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| 10:14.23 | dirkk | I don't see .deb |
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| 10:15.19 | dirkk | it's archives .gz and there is no deb file, or maybe I don't see it |
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| 10:19.37 | ksk | :) |
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| 10:20.10 | ksk | scroll down, klick on your arch, amd64 in my case -> then klick on a mirror, lets say ftp.us.debian.org/debian -> package downloading |
| 10:20.37 | ksk | dont forget to also download your dependencies! |
| 10:21.44 | dirkk | ok sorry I was focus on the left of the page ;) Thank you for your time |
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| 11:08.35 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. I have no sound. There are no hardware devices in pavucontrol, and `aplay -L' lists only `null' and pulseaudio devices. How do I get muh sound back? |
| 11:10.00 | jonaskoelker | I have two sound devices: an intel on-board card and a USB bluetooth headset |
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| 11:14.45 | j08nY | jonaskoelk: What does `lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel` give you? |
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| 11:16.39 | jonaskoelker | http://paste.debian.net/418506/ |
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| 11:17.58 | winem_ | hi. can anyone confirm that udp packets dropped due to a checksum mismatch will be shown by netstat -su and also be listet in /proc/net/udp as dropped? |
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| 11:19.02 | winem_ | we have really weird issue where the server receives packages (they are shown in the dump) but the packets seem not to be received by the respective socket listening on the port and protocol |
| 11:19.18 | jonaskoelker | j08nY: I also see the sound card on lspic, and the headset in lshw (but not lsusb, unless it's just named "Logitech, Inc.") |
| 11:19.33 | winem_ | and I can't turn off the rx checksumming via ethtool (on is [fixed]) |
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| 11:21.05 | jonaskoelker | j08nY: when I `pacmd load-module module-alsa-sink' it appears to hang for ~30-60s, then I get a "Client callback failure: Timeout" popup |
| 11:21.31 | jonaskoelker | (and pacmd says "Module load failed.") |
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| 11:22.05 | jonaskoelker | (`pacmd list-modules | grep name: | grep -i alsa' is empty) |
| 11:22.07 | j08nY | So do you have sound when using speakers/jack headphones? |
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| 11:23.34 | jonaskoelker | nope, when I play a song in mpd, mpd/mpc says 'playing' and there's a pulse uh-what's-the-word-stream? going to "combined output", and the volume bars are moving in pavucontrol, but no sound in my headphones |
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| 11:23.56 | jonaskoelker | (sorry, that was "Simultaneous Output" and not "combined [...]") |
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| 11:26.04 | j08nY | Do you have built in speakers? Do they work? |
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| 11:26.16 | jonaskoelker | no built-in speakers (it's a desktop box) |
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| 11:26.41 | jonaskoelker | my headphones work with my smartphone, so it's not that link of the chain that's flaky |
| 11:27.07 | j08nY | ah, well it seems like a "classic" intel hda problem. https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio.txt |
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| 11:29.22 | jonaskoelker | j08nY: out of curiousity, how do you come to that conclusion? |
| 11:29.51 | j08nY | Do you have built in speakers? Do they work? 2) go to https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt and find your chipset. |
| 11:29.59 | j08nY | ah sorry misstyped |
| 11:30.31 | j08nY | Well, I already solved a very similiar problem. Essentially the same, only I have built-in speakers(laptop) which worked. |
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| 11:31.11 | jonaskoelker | does it make a difference that I just did an apt-get upgrade of ~1600 packages, then slightly later rebooted, but sound worked before I rebooted? |
| 11:31.47 | j08nY | hmm, were any of the packages sound related? |
| 11:33.32 | jonaskoelker | undoubtledly, libaudio2 was among them, but that's perhaps not at the right level (?) |
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| 11:34.36 | jonaskoelker | libvorbis0a is of course sound related, but presumably not relevant |
| 11:34.57 | jonaskoelker | by the way, here's my /proc/asound/devices - http://paste.debian.net/418507/ - does that change anything? |
| 11:35.07 | jonaskoelker | there are plenty of devices there |
| 11:36.51 | j08nY | hmm, libaudio2 shouldnt screw up your intel card in this way. `apt-cache show libaudio2` shows its unrelated. |
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| 11:37.38 | j08nY | Yes, my /proc/asound/devices look similiar, so thats good. |
| 11:39.21 | jonaskoelker | an interesting line of pulseaudio -v output "[...] bluez5-util.c: GetManagedObjects() failed: [...] Rejected send message" -- would more of this be useful? |
| 11:40.12 | j08nY | what does `dmesg | grep snd_hda_codec` give you? |
| 11:40.35 | jonaskoelker | nothing |
| 11:40.49 | jonaskoelker | I tried scanning HD-Audio-Models for the magic incantation that makes my woes disappear, but there was none ^_^ |
| 11:41.31 | Neobenedict | hi, is there any way to make a command run in a screen restart if it dies |
| 11:41.34 | Neobenedict | ie. a python script |
| 11:41.58 | j08nY | okay, what does `grep snd_hda_codec /var/log/kern.log |
| 11:42.09 | j08nY | still nothing? |
| 11:42.19 | jonaskoelker | still nothing |
| 11:42.55 | jonaskoelker | Neobenedict: "while sleep 1; do myscript.py; done"? |
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| 11:43.10 | Neobenedict | that works, thanks |
| 11:43.12 | j08nY | do you have kern logs when sound worked? do they show snd_hda_codec? |
| 11:44.46 | jonaskoelker | one line in /var/log/kern.log*, from Jan 22, modules linked in ... snd_hda_codec_hdmi snd_hda_codec_realtek ... snd_hda_codec |
| 11:45.06 | jonaskoelker | are there other places I coulda'/shoulda' looked? |
| 11:45.58 | jonaskoelker | uprecords -B says lasst reboot before today was Jan 16 |
| 11:46.13 | jonaskoelker | (same kernel version, 3.10-2-amd64) |
| 11:46.48 | j08nY | and you do have boot kern log from that boot and it does not contain snd_hda_codec? |
| 11:47.30 | jonaskoelker | I assume kern.log.1 is that one, and that's the one with the Jan 22 entry I just quoted |
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| 11:48.29 | jonaskoelker | (evidence: kern.log.1 is last updated today at 11:10, before the reboot. Higher-numbered k.l.<int> files are updated the day a reboot happened) |
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| 11:49.17 | jonaskoelker | j08nY: iow the kern log from the uptime that ended today *does* contain snd_hda_codec |
| 11:49.28 | jonaskoelker | ... but only six days after *that* uptime began (?!) |
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| 11:51.44 | j08nY | well, I just wanted to see if your driver prints something when its loaded(when it was working), it may be that yours doesnt, also with that version of your kernel, the HD-audio.txt and HD-audio-models.txt I linked are fairly different. I'm sorry I cant be of more help. |
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| 11:53.21 | j08nY | I have to go get a bite. I'll be back, I hope I lead you in the right way, at least. |
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| 11:54.55 | j08nY | Hmm, what about "cat /proc/asound/cards"? |
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| 11:57.29 | jonaskoelker | http://paste.debian.net/418510/ |
| 11:59.09 | j08nY | Alright then, cat /proc/asounc/card0/codec#* |
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| 11:59.43 | jonaskoelker | http://paste.debian.net/418511/ |
| 12:00.24 | jonaskoelker | http://paste.debian.net/418512/ |
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| 12:00.31 | jonaskoelker | for #0 and #3 respectively |
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| 12:02.53 | j08nY | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:03.57 | jonaskoelker | nope, should I repaste with? |
| 12:04.13 | j08nY | could you? |
| 12:04.36 | jonaskoelker | http://paste.debian.net/418514/ |
| 12:04.38 | jonaskoelker | http://paste.debian.net/418515/ |
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| 12:06.19 | jonaskoelker | btw., apt-cache policy '^alsa-' shows alsa-utils to be installed at an older version than stable. Maybe aplay output was misleading for that reason? |
| 12:06.47 | j08nY | hmm, diff shows the same for the first(relevant, codec). Try "alsamixer" are the headphone outputs muted/? |
| 12:07.28 | jonaskoelker | I only have one control, and that's for pulseaudio |
| 12:07.43 | j08nY | do F6 and choose Intel HDA PCH |
| 12:08.04 | jonaskoelker | "Cannot open mixer device Intel HDA PCH" |
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| 12:08.27 | j08nY | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.27 | jonaskoelker | ... when I enter it as text; it's not there as an option |
| 12:08.30 | jonaskoelker | no |
| 12:08.32 | j08nY | hmm strange |
| 12:08.34 | j08nY | it should be |
| 12:08.35 | j08nY | :D |
| 12:08.47 | jonaskoelker | alsamixer is in alsa-utils, which like I said is old. apt-get upgrade it? |
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| 12:09.01 | j08nY | hmm could you try sudo alsamixer? Maybe thats it? |
| 12:09.29 | jonaskoelker | bingo! |
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| 12:10.27 | jonaskoelker | headphone volume was at 0, now I've increased it. mpd still sends sound to "Simultaneous Output" |
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| 12:11.09 | jonaskoelker | wait, `groups | grep audio' is empty :o |
| 12:11.15 | jonaskoelker | I thought I was in that. Should I be? |
| 12:11.44 | jonaskoelker | certainly a lot of stuff in /dev/snd/* is root:audio rw-rw-... |
| 12:12.09 | j08nY | hmm you could try that |
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| 12:13.01 | jonaskoelker | YAY! |
| 12:13.04 | jonaskoelker | I hear music! |
| 12:13.06 | jonaskoelker | :D |
| 12:13.13 | j08nY | congrats! |
| 12:13.16 | jonaskoelker | that was via mpd, on the command line (tty1) |
| 12:14.43 | jonaskoelker | and I also see stuff in alsamixer |
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| 12:15.27 | j08nY | So that fixed the sound on the jack, did it fix the USB headphones? |
| 12:15.37 | jonaskoelker | is loggin in and out of X the logical next step, then? |
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| 12:16.10 | jim | is it because your user isnt in the audio group? |
| 12:16.22 | jonaskoelker | jim: apparently so |
| 12:16.24 | j08nY | sure, relogin/restart is always the next logical step. However about the audio group: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/TheAudioGroup |
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| 12:18.30 | j08nY | But if thats not a concern to you, then all good. |
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| 12:23.16 | jonaskoelker | meh, logout/login, mpd, mpc play, then mpd hangs and there is no sound output |
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| 12:27.38 | jonaskoelker | so `adduser jonas audio' did something good, but didn't fix the whole problem. |
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| 12:33.05 | benkant | hey guys I'm running out of options: I read a blog a while ago that (paraphrasing) proposed "writing applications using only the packages from Debian testing, to target Debian testing and then leave it to accomplished Debian sys admins to run your application, which is what they know how to do" as opposed to the "devops with multiple package managers pulling in frameworks, libraries, deps in general from a lot of places, |
| 12:33.06 | benkant | not designed to run on anything in particular". I can't find the blog post, and I really want to return to it. I don't suppose anyone knows the article I'm talking about? |
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| 12:34.18 | benkant | obviously I've googled and searched my history but I can't remember anything specific enough about the post for it to turn up |
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| 12:38.53 | jonaskoelker | ... it seems to work now ?! |
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| 12:42.51 | somiaj | benkant: Do you have a paticular question about debian, not sure if searching for a random blog post is going to be of much help. Also seems weird to me, I would build against debian stable, as testing is a mving target. |
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| 12:44.58 | benkant | somiaj: it's not a specific question. and the stable/testing distinction is worthy of discussion. I was more interested in the _idea_ of developing using only what comes on the ISO, as I think it's interesting. never mind, I'll keep looking |
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| 12:45.45 | teraflops | jonaskoelker: sorry im idling. what's your problem. No sound in mpd using alsa? |
| 12:46.04 | somiaj | benkant: part of the design philsophy of debian stable is to have a frozen system with clearn available software/libaries/versions to make building things easier. |
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| 12:46.39 | benkant | somiaj: wonderful- is that written down anywhere in particular? |
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| 12:47.38 | _0xbadc0de | is there any chanel to discuss linux oriented programming? |
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| 12:47.48 | _0xbadc0de | like using linux APIs and such |
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| 12:52.09 | ksk | #linux maybe ;) |
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| 12:53.14 | _0xbadc0de | <_0xbadc0de> can I write text? |
| 12:53.14 | _0xbadc0de | * ##linux :Cannot send to channel |
| 12:53.24 | _0xbadc0de | eventhough I am registered here, at the freenode |
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| 13:00.22 | jonaskoelker | teraflops: nope, first it was no sound working, no devices listed in pavucontrol, then `adduser jonas audio', now audio appears to work |
| 13:00.41 | _0xbadc0de | I did |
| 13:00.57 | teraflops | jonaskoelker: appears? Heh |
| 13:01.10 | jonaskoelker | teraflops: if you read from 12:08 (it's only ~50 lines) you'll see the whole exchange |
| 13:01.15 | jonaskoelker | teraflops: to my ears, anyways ;-) |
| 13:01.22 | teraflops | jonaskoelker: heh |
| 13:01.32 | jonaskoelker | IOW, it works, but I'm worried that I'm papering over some underlying misconfiguration |
| 13:01.34 | ksk | _0x5eb_: you are currently not logged in, see /whois $nick |
| 13:01.59 | jelly | gives ksk a properly working Tab key |
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| 13:02.58 | ege | jelly: The TAB key wont help --> -!- _0xbadc0de [~0xbadc0de@bl12-131-170.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by pee |
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| 13:03.15 | teraflops | jonaskoelker: you can use pulseaudio but tell mpd to use alsa if you're concerned about losing sound e.g when the screen gets locked |
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| 13:03.56 | ksk | uh, sorry dude :D I was like hitting "_" and <tab>, but he left the channel |
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| 13:09.40 | _0xbadc0de | Ok my internet just died for a few secs |
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| 13:09.57 | _0xbadc0de | I did already /msg NickServ identify _0xbadc0de <not_for_your_eyes> |
| 13:10.08 | _0xbadc0de | still can't log in on #debian |
| 13:10.12 | _0xbadc0de | sorry #linux |
| 13:10.21 | _0xbadc0de | and I can login, I just can't talk |
| 13:10.23 | _0xbadc0de | no idea why |
| 13:10.28 | _0xbadc0de | same goes for #c++ |
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| 13:17.29 | seprob | Hi. Only reboot can kill zombie process or you have some ideas to do this? |
| 13:18.46 | jelly | _0xbadc0de: yeah you're logged in to nickserv now. As for #linux you'll have to ask in #linux-ops about the reason. |
| 13:20.47 | DammitJim | how do I get cron to write the output to a log file instead of an email? |
| 13:20.57 | DammitJim | I just want it to write to /var/log/cron.log |
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| 13:22.33 | jelly | _0xbadc0de: oh, it's ##linux and ##linux-ops both with two hashes |
| 13:22.36 | cooldharma06 | my grub got finished in my system i cant able to get in |
| 13:22.46 | cooldharma06 | i used livecd and got in and ran grub-install /dev/sda --root-directory=/mnt |
| 13:22.54 | cooldharma06 | i am getting the error as " grub will not proceed with blocklist" |
| 13:23.05 | cooldharma06 | any suggestion to solve this..??? |
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| 13:24.50 | Slimmy | hello. I just installed debian stable 64 bit gnome 3 but greek letters look kinda odd. How do I change the unicode? |
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| 13:31.27 | teraflops | Slimmy: install more fonts? Or you mean the font rendering looks bad? |
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| 13:39.05 | karlpinc | cooldharma06: Try chrooting into your system and running grub-install without --root-directory. That way your using the system itself to install grub. |
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| 13:40.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell cooldharma06 -about fixmbr |
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| 13:50.43 | cooldharma06 | actually its my server |
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| 13:53.11 | cooldharma06 | thanks karlpinc and babilen..:) my ppl went out i ll try that and ping here. thanks for your info |
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| 14:23.40 | qknight | hey. we are having problems with iscsi + lvm. problem: normal fstab entry won't mount the LV as iscsi wasn't able yet to load the block-device into /dev/sdf yet |
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| 14:24.29 | qknight | https://lastlog.de/wiki/index.php/Iscsi#mount <- this is the fstab entry we are using right now: UUID=723eb295-8fe0-409f-a75f-a26eede8904f /mnt/www ext3 _netdev 0 0 |
| 14:24.45 | qknight | but _netdev won't load vgchange -ay before it tries to load the LV |
| 14:24.48 | qknight | **HELP** |
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| 14:52.03 | mavhq | trying to add the saltstack repo in a preseed file, but when it tries to download the public key it fails "the installer failed to download the public key", would the reason be in a log somewhere, can't find it in /var/log/syslog |
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| 14:53.24 | rajasekhar | hii guys ,how can i package php libraries in debain , actually i am a basic learner........can any one help me....?? |
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| 15:12.30 | julius | hi |
| 15:12.54 | julius | i just overwrote /etc/crypptab by accident but did not reboot yet. how do i get its contents back? |
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| 15:13.03 | julius | im using a encrypted root |
| 15:13.05 | julius | lvm |
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| 15:17.05 | frikinz | julius: don't think crypttab is kept open constantly but you might try lsof -n| grep crypttab |
| 15:17.43 | frikinz | oh overwritten, not deleted. won't work then |
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| 15:19.25 | frostschutz | julius, there might be a copy of it in your initramfs |
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| 15:19.40 | julius | uh |
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| 15:20.46 | frostschutz | julius, maybe extract it like so https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Custom_Initramfs#Extracting_the_cpio_archive |
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| 15:22.21 | julius | no file called crypptab in the initrd |
| 15:22.26 | julius | crypttab |
| 15:22.37 | frostschutz | oh... unlucky then |
| 15:22.43 | frostschutz | write it from scratch |
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| 15:23.02 | julius | someone from #ubuntu suggested: echo "LUKS_DEV UUID=$(blkid -s UUID -o value /dev/sdX) none luks,discard" > /etc/crypttab |
| 15:23.17 | julius | it does output a valid UUID, but is the format correct? |
| 15:23.22 | zykotick9 | julius: <sidenote> my /etc/crypttab only has a single line... for the lvm... by UUID could be found from "blkid" |
| 15:23.44 | julius | sdX being sda5 in my case |
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| 15:24.19 | zykotick9 | julius: my line is "sda5_crypt UUID=blah-blah-blah none luks,discard" |
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| 15:25.45 | julius | im gonna copy that, thanks |
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| 15:25.50 | julius | with a UUID |
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| 15:42.22 | jackcom | how can i install wireshark? |
| 15:42.49 | dmiller_ | apt-get install wireshark |
| 15:43.09 | jackcom | i want install wireshark with aptitude |
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| 15:43.15 | jackcom | dmiller_: |
| 15:43.20 | dmiller_ | aptitude install wireshark |
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| 15:43.26 | jackcom | thanks dmiller_ :) |
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| 15:46.11 | jackcom | dmiller_: i got it thanks |
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| 15:46.13 | jackcom | ;) |
| 15:46.48 | sha0 | I am interested in maintaining the Syslinux package for Debian. My understanding is that I need to begin by having my key signed by other Debian developers. Are there any who might be available to assist? |
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| 15:48.35 | Amun_Ra | sha0: you might want to inform current maintainer ;> |
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| 15:48.47 | sha0 | Amun_Ra: They are completely gone. |
| 15:49.10 | Amun_Ra | uhm |
| 15:49.11 | sha0 | Amun_Ra: I have tried multiple e-mail addresses. Their exit from Debian was rather loud, too. |
| 15:49.29 | Amun_Ra | oh, I haven't heard of it |
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| 15:49.50 | sha0 | So my understanding is that this package has been abandoned. |
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| 15:51.16 | TomasCZ | "loud"? how long? |
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| 15:51.48 | Amun_Ra | I found a thread on nov 2015 |
| 15:52.01 | sha0 | "Loud" as in it involved a large discussion from many Debian people. |
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| 15:52.16 | sha0 | Yes, I believe Amun_Ra's date seems about right. |
| 15:52.34 | sha0 | I used to know this person, but they appear to have disappeared. |
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| 15:53.11 | jackcom | how can i konw disk usage? |
| 15:53.21 | sha0 | jackcom: df --si |
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| 15:53.25 | jackcom | thanks |
| 15:53.44 | dave0x6d | Or df -h |
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| 15:54.13 | jackcom | how many storage use on Debian? |
| 15:54.15 | TomasCZ | the guy's site is still up.\ |
| 15:54.18 | jackcom | i use 64G only |
| 15:54.36 | jackcom | 64G is short? |
| 15:54.50 | Amun_Ra | as in small? depends on user data |
| 15:55.05 | jackcom | Amun_Ra: how about you? |
| 15:55.23 | Amun_Ra | jackcom: that varies |
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| 15:55.33 | jackcom | now? |
| 15:55.33 | sha0 | TomasCZ: I'm not sure which one you mean. |
| 15:55.36 | jackcom | Amun_Ra: ? |
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| 15:55.51 | TomasCZ | system with applications can fit in under 5-6G. So if you want to have some room, set around 12G. Assuming you don't plan on doing videos stored in same partition. |
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| 15:56.20 | jackcom | 20G is enough? |
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| 15:56.30 | Amun_Ra | I typically set 16G for servers, and I keep the data on separate disk images |
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| 15:56.45 | jackcom | oh |
| 15:56.55 | jackcom | i use client only |
| 15:56.57 | jackcom | :( |
| 15:57.03 | Amun_Ra | jackcom: for servers (no x11 stuff) |
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| 15:57.12 | TomasCZ | sha0, apt-cache show syslinux |grep '^Maint' |
| 15:57.36 | sha0 | TomasCZ: Oh. |
| 15:58.20 | TomasCZ | for me 8G is enough in virtualbox. Always. With or without x11 and what's not. |
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| 15:58.49 | jackcom | oh |
| 15:58.56 | TomasCZ | sha0, but the irc channel mentioned on his web is empty |
| 15:58.56 | jackcom | ok thanks |
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| 15:59.51 | sha0 | TomasCZ: I actually am in a funny position without access to Debian, just at this very moment. :) But no matter. |
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| 16:00.10 | sha0 | TomasCZ: I will look, a little late.r |
| 16:00.16 | sha0 | .<->r |
| 16:00.26 | TomasCZ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:00.54 | Amun_Ra | sha0: you can checkout details at packages.debian.org |
| 16:01.26 | rajasekhar | hii guys ,how can i package php libraries in debain , actually i am a basic learner........can any one help me....?? |
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| 16:01.52 | TomasCZ | lol, now I looked and noticed there are two mails in output. Same person different domain(testing) |
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| 16:02.44 | sha0 | Amun_Ra: Unfortunately, that hasn't yielded the web-site that I think TomasCZ was looking at. But I will try to find it, later. Either way, I'm still intereted in going through the motions to become the maintainer. |
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| 16:02.53 | transhuman_ | hi, I am wondering if anyone can tell me why it is that the PATH statement for the sudo user does not update, I have added Defaults env_reset and Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" to sudoers file with visudo |
| 16:03.00 | sha0 | If there are any developers who might be inclined to assist with the "identification" step, I'd appreciate it. |
| 16:03.49 | sha0 | transhuman_: Have you looked inside /etc/profile.d/ ? |
| 16:03.50 | Amun_Ra | sha0: you can download source and look inside debian dir |
| 16:04.01 | TomasCZ | sha0, debian mailing list? or OFTC irc server #debian? |
| 16:04.26 | transhuman_ | what am I looking for sha0 its empty |
| 16:04.26 | sha0 | Amun_Ra: Oh, I see. |
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| 16:05.34 | sha0 | TomasCZ: Oh. I saw that #debian-devel was invite-only, so I didn't think of OFTC. |
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| 16:06.22 | greycat | transhuman_: I think he's asking if root's shell is overriding PATH after sudo launches it. So check all the places root's shell might be reading configs (~root/.profile and so on). |
| 16:06.23 | TomasCZ | sha0, might be set that way so people don't hang in this server for that kind of business. I saw such practice somewhere. |
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| 16:07.10 | greycat | transhuman_: one way to check on that would be: sudo env | grep ^PATH= |
| 16:07.23 | greycat | If that gives a different result from what you see with "sudo", then it's the shell doing it. |
| 16:07.56 | TomasCZ | sha0, mail at daniel-baumann dot ch daniel.baumann at progress-technologies dot net |
| 16:08.16 | TomasCZ | sha0, those are the mails I got in sid. |
| 16:08.20 | sha0 | <sha0> Amun_Ra: I have tried multiple e-mail addresses. Their exit from Debian was rather loud, too. |
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| 16:09.00 | sha0 | TomasCZ: Yes, those were included in the ones I'd mentioned. |
| 16:09.07 | sha0 | Thanks. |
| 16:09.22 | Walakea | can i create more partitions via Debian installer? |
| 16:09.32 | greycat | yes |
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| 16:09.57 | transhuman_ | thanks greycat sha0 |
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| 16:10.20 | transhuman_ | so far haven't found any problems but still looking |
| 16:10.31 | sha0 | transhuman_: Are you familiar with the "export" command? |
| 16:10.42 | Walakea | i want 64 GB for debian, 64 GB empty for other OS, 512 for /home and rest empty |
| 16:10.51 | Walakea | and all of it btrfs |
| 16:11.21 | sha0 | Walakea: Just FYI: I have experienced btrfs problems. |
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| 16:11.44 | TomTomTosch | Walakea, the installer has a built in partitioning tool. you can create whatever you like. |
| 16:12.04 | Walakea | can be ext4, i dont mind |
| 16:12.22 | jelly | btrfs is a special flower, I'm not sure it's 100% supported from within the installer |
| 16:12.34 | TomasCZ | sha0, well that sucks. Good news: I was silly in thinking it's channel. on his page was his username for IRC. I've sent him msg on OFTC |
| 16:12.37 | transhuman_ | greycat they are indeed different |
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| 16:13.05 | sha0 | TomasCZ: Was it three letters? |
| 16:13.14 | transhuman_ | I am sha0, I know i can overide possibly but I was hoping to find root cause |
| 16:13.15 | TomasCZ | dnlbmnn |
| 16:13.25 | Walakea | i know that the debian can edit partitions but i havent figured out, how to ceate those empty partitions and set their space |
| 16:13.32 | sha0 | TomasCZ: Oh, that's different than what he used to have, on FreeNode. |
| 16:13.50 | sha0 | transhuman_: Ok, I was just checking. :) |
| 16:14.02 | greycat | transhuman_: then check /root/.bashrc and /root/.profile and /etc/profile and possibly a bunch of other things, assuming root's shell is bash |
| 16:14.06 | transhuman_ | sudo env | grep ^PATH= reveals the path I want it to be |
| 16:14.26 | TomasCZ | sha0, should be same for freenode based on the page. Give me couple hours if he don't reply you shall try. |
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| 16:15.01 | sha0 | TomasCZ: Terrific! Thank you. |
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| 16:16.13 | TomasCZ | sha0, cuz when I did whois on him, I feel small with channel amount I join.... |
| 16:16.15 | Walakea | by the way i was using the graphical install |
| 16:17.36 | TomasCZ | sha0, Looks like that is valid for OFTC, in here he is only logged in. |
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| 16:20.17 | RippyDippy | is there a reason why my wifi connection is so unstable as compared to -- lets say -- a macbook? |
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| 16:20.51 | jackcom | i can set pretty font like unbuntu? |
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| 16:21.02 | jackcom | Debian font is not good |
| 16:21.06 | jackcom | :( |
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| 16:21.42 | mtn | RippyDippy: realtek card? |
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| 16:22.14 | RippyDippy | mtn: Intel Wireless 7265 rev 99 |
| 16:22.41 | mtn | RippyDippy: hmm, intel should be fine. |
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| 16:23.52 | Walakea | is there a simple way to restore my primary OS to a previous version? |
| 16:24.03 | TomTomTosch | firmware-iwlwifi installed? |
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| 16:24.24 | jackcom | i can set pretty font like unbuntu? |
| 16:24.42 | RippyDippy | mtn: Like it just happened again right there, granted this is a weak network, but other machines of mine manage to stay connected just fine |
| 16:25.00 | RippyDippy | TomTomTosch: Yes. iwlwifi is taken care of |
| 16:25.17 | RippyDippy | jackcom: What wm are you using? |
| 16:25.30 | jackcom | wm? |
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| 16:25.33 | mtn | jackcom: you can use and install many many fonts |
| 16:25.34 | jackcom | RippyDippy: ? |
| 16:25.38 | RippyDippy | jackcom: Window Manager |
| 16:25.54 | jackcom | how can i know it? |
| 16:25.59 | jackcom | i use xwindows |
| 16:26.03 | RippyDippy | jackcom: You installed it.... |
| 16:26.08 | mtn | jackcom: are you running gnome? |
| 16:26.15 | RippyDippy | mtn: xfce? |
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| 16:26.35 | mtn | RippyDippy: that is a desktop, is that what you are using? |
| 16:26.43 | jackcom | i don’t know how can i know it? |
| 16:27.01 | mtn | jackcom: you installed it :) |
| 16:27.03 | RippyDippy | mtn: Yeah, I'm using xfce as me DE |
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| 16:27.21 | mtn | RippyDippy: I guess you did not mean it for me ;) |
| 16:27.24 | jackcom | Debian font is not good unlike ubuntu |
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| 16:27.52 | mtn | jackcom: look in the menu for fonts or system settings |
| 16:27.53 | RippyDippy | jackcom: Please leave now and go back to OSX |
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| 16:28.36 | jackcom | strange |
| 16:28.42 | r6ku | hello |
| 16:28.55 | factor | What is a bluetooth scanner on linux that can detect distance it is from me? |
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| 16:29.11 | TomTomTosch | jackcom, 'echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP' will tell you. |
| 16:29.38 | jackcom | lol |
| 16:29.39 | RippyDippy | mtn: Yeha this disconnect error is killing me. It happens at strange times (usually when I am loading something larger) |
| 16:29.47 | jackcom | nothing is printed |
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| 16:29.57 | RippyDippy | jackcom: That means you dont have a window manager |
| 16:29.58 | jackcom | TomTomTosch: |
| 16:30.00 | mtn | RippyDippy: you haven't dropped your connection here |
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| 16:30.15 | RippyDippy | mtn: It did once at the very begining |
| 16:30.16 | jackcom | RippyDippy: then how can i do? |
| 16:30.27 | RippyDippy | jackcom: Do what? |
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| 16:30.28 | mtn | RippyDippy: not since we have been talking |
| 16:30.50 | matu | Hi, I am looking for the english version of this page but I can not found it : https://wiki.debian.org/fr/Lamp |
| 16:30.55 | jackcom | how can i have windows manager |
| 16:31.10 | matu | Can you help me please ? |
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| 16:31.44 | TomTomTosch | matu, https://wiki.debian.org/LaMp |
| 16:31.51 | RippyDippy | jackcom: What desktop environment are you using. |
| 16:32.01 | jackcom | RippyDippy: i don’t know |
| 16:32.08 | jackcom | i m beginner of Debian |
| 16:32.20 | RippyDippy | mtn: I can only make it happen. Just have to load a cppcon lecture and boom. Im out |
| 16:32.42 | mtn | jackcom: do you have a menu you can look at? |
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| 16:32.53 | RippyDippy | mtn: It could also be the xfce's network manager gui is just reporting something that isn't happeneing |
| 16:32.54 | jackcom | no |
| 16:33.02 | RippyDippy | jackcom: How are you talking to us |
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| 16:33.05 | mtn | RippyDippy: I was wondering about that |
| 16:33.17 | RippyDippy | jackcom: Are you using a login terminal? |
| 16:33.52 | jackcom | :( |
| 16:33.54 | jackcom | i don’t know |
| 16:34.01 | jackcom | ubuntu is simple |
| 16:34.01 | RippyDippy | mtn: And I am mistaken, its xfwm4 on xfce |
| 16:34.08 | jackcom | but Debian is too complicate |
| 16:34.16 | jackcom | i use Debian for hacking |
| 16:34.22 | jackcom | :( |
| 16:34.28 | matu | Haha TomTomTosch thank you ! |
| 16:34.32 | RippyDippy | jackcom: Please stop referencing other distrobutions |
| 16:34.39 | jackcom | RippyDippy: ok |
| 16:34.45 | RippyDippy | jackcom: Either return from whence you came or try and fix this problem |
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| 16:35.02 | RippyDippy | jackcom: How are you connecting to this irc |
| 16:35.08 | r6ku | RippyDippy: let it go man, it's obviously a troll |
| 16:35.16 | jackcom | RippyDippy: colloquy |
| 16:35.25 | muledj | question QUESTION any body know if it is possible to assign a com port to this pi@raspberrypi:~/Downloads $ lsusb |
| 16:35.26 | muledj | <muledj> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port |
| 16:35.26 | muledj | ##linux Cannot send to channel is there a way to link it to com port 1 |
| 16:35.32 | mtn | RippyDippy: I agree, he is a troll |
| 16:35.32 | Walakea | i also had many problems at the end i solved them all |
| 16:35.54 | Walakea | i use Debian for 6 months, i switched directly from Win |
| 16:35.57 | RippyDippy | yeah Im dropping it. I figured it out the second he said "I use debian for hacking" |
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| 16:36.21 | jackcom | :( |
| 16:36.35 | jackcom | ubun** —> Debian |
| 16:36.42 | jackcom | so i use Debian now |
| 16:36.58 | jelly | muledj: when you plug that in, it's supposed to create a /dev/ttyUSB* serial device |
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| 16:37.37 | jelly | jackcom: what does the command "lsb_release -sc" say on your system? |
| 16:37.54 | Walakea | what can i use to restore partition with my primary (and only) OS to a previous version (like snapshot)? |
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| 16:38.08 | jackcom | jessie? |
| 16:38.11 | jackcom | jelly: ? |
| 16:38.13 | jelly | Walakea: what did you use to create a backup |
| 16:38.26 | jackcom | what is jessie? |
| 16:38.31 | Walakea | nothing for now, i want to know what i can do |
| 16:38.42 | jelly | jackcom: pastebin the output of "lsb_release -a" and "apt-cache policy", please |
| 16:38.43 | Walakea | i will be reinstalling debian |
| 16:39.37 | Walakea | i noticed i can make a .img snapshot via Gnome disks, but i dont think i can do it while the os is running |
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| 16:40.12 | jelly | Walakea: oh, there are lots of different backup tools. If your system is on LVM and there's some free space in the LVM VG, then yes you can make a consistent snapshot online |
| 16:40.37 | jelly | (online = while the system is running) |
| 16:40.44 | Walakea | bad thing is, i am not an experianced user |
| 16:40.50 | jackcom | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.3 (jessie) |
| 16:40.51 | jackcom | Release:8.3 |
| 16:40.52 | jackcom | Codename:jessie |
| 16:41.04 | jackcom | Codename? |
| 16:41.05 | Walakea | i heard about lvm, but have no idea in what it is different |
| 16:41.11 | muledj | <jelly> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port this is what it tells me i need to assign a com port for it to work |
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| 16:41.26 | jackcom | i will be hacked by Codename? |
| 16:41.30 | jackcom | :( |
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| 16:42.00 | tako | Hello guys any advice for hosting control panel on Debian ? |
| 16:42.12 | tako | i'm undecided about Virtualmin and ispconfig |
| 16:42.24 | jelly | muledj: nah, it's supposed to get created automatically, and it does if you're using the default kernel |
| 16:42.25 | jackcom | jelly: ? |
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| 16:42.59 | jelly | jackcom: sorry, can you put all of the reqested output in a pastebin? |
| 16:43.00 | jelly | !paste |
| 16:43.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:43.02 | jelly | jackcom: ^^ |
| 16:43.10 | jackcom | yes |
| 16:43.14 | muledj | is there another command to us i been using lsusb |
| 16:43.15 | jackcom | jelly: |
| 16:43.34 | jelly | jackcom: put output of "lsb_release -a" and "apt-cache policy" there, please, and show the result URL |
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| 16:43.44 | jelly | muledj: ls -l /dev/ttyUSB* |
| 16:43.53 | jackcom | jelly: you want hack me? |
| 16:44.00 | jackcom | strange 8) |
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| 16:44.22 | muledj | crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 188, 0 Mar 24 15:47 /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 16:44.29 | jelly | jackcom: trying to make sure you're actually running debian. |
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| 16:44.56 | jelly | muledj: right, so if you only have a single PL2303 usb-to-serial dongle plugged in, that's your serial port device. |
| 16:44.56 | jackcom | lol |
| 16:45.04 | jackcom | you want hack me |
| 16:45.30 | Walakea | lvm applies only to partitions? |
| 16:45.39 | muledj | ok but i am using Wine to run my Echolink it only lets me pick a com port |
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| 16:45.44 | RippyDippy | mtn: Remember when you said troll ... Yeah ... |
| 16:45.46 | tako | Hello guys any advice for hosting control panel on Debian ? i'm undecided about Virtualmin and ispconfig |
| 16:46.05 | TomTomTosch | Walakea, lvm can span over multiple partitions and devices. |
| 16:46.14 | RippyDippy | mtn: Is is also possible for this 'disconnect' issue to be only skin deep, and the xfwm4 network manager gui reporting something bs? |
| 16:46.47 | mtn | RippyDippy: possible. do a ping when it says it is off |
| 16:47.00 | RippyDippy | mtn: Can do |
| 16:47.11 | jmcnaught | Walakea: Redhat has a pretty decent manual for LVM, almost everything in it should work on Jessie: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration/ |
| 16:47.21 | Walakea | thanks |
| 16:48.53 | jmcnaught | tako: i think it's telling that there are no control panels in the Debian repos. It does seem a little crazy to give web access to that level of power, and several control panels have spotty security histories. My advice is to avoid them if at all possible |
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| 16:51.09 | jelly | Walakea: however, debian installer is buggy and if you let it size LVM logical volumes automatically it will fill up all the available space and you won't be able to do snapshots (nor backups based on snapshots). You basically have to set it up manually. |
| 16:52.16 | jmcnaught | i usually just let it do guided partitioning with LVM, then i delete/remake smaller the largest volume before proceeding |
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| 16:52.51 | jelly | nice |
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| 16:53.36 | SerajewelKS | is there a way in ip6tables to block output packets based on the bridge port they are leaving? '-m physdev --physdev-is-bridged' never seems to match in the filter OUTPUT chain. |
| 16:53.57 | SerajewelKS | my goal is to prevent icmpv6 router advertisement packets from leaving on a specific bridge port |
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| 16:54.21 | jelly | probably want to ask that in #netfilter |
| 16:54.23 | SerajewelKS | but it seems physdev matching only works on the INPUT and FORWARD chains |
| 16:54.33 | SerajewelKS | true, i always forget that channel exists |
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| 16:59.15 | acidchild | hello, i am looking for assistance or a howto on how to rebuild a debian source package. the package is openldap and the module is pbkdf2 http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/5jak1q43.html is there a simple way to include this module in the build process? |
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| 17:00.35 | jackcom | http://imgur.com/RnrkBrX <— left is debian right is ubun** |
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| 17:01.10 | jackcom | i don’t understand it |
| 17:01.27 | acidchild | what do you not understand? can you elaborate? |
| 17:01.27 | greycat | The terminal's background color is different, and you're using colorized ls on the right. |
| 17:01.33 | r6ku | jackcom: you're using gnome right? I checked my logs |
| 17:01.41 | greycat | you can do colorized ls in Debian, too. |
| 17:01.55 | greycat | Isn't it actually on by default? |
| 17:01.58 | Walakea | however i need to reinstall my system within one day, i just need to know what to do in debian installer |
| 17:02.05 | RippyDippy | mtn: So I ran a ping, but it returned a host unkonwn |
| 17:02.21 | jackcom | i means that ubun** font is better than Debian |
| 17:02.47 | Walakea | my plan is (in GB): 64 for debian stable, 64 for potentional other OS, 512 for /home, rest can be used for snapshots (out of 1 TB) |
| 17:02.51 | greycat | Psssht. |
| 17:02.52 | greycat | Fonts. |
| 17:03.00 | r6ku | jackcom: to change fonts on gnome, you need to use "Tweak Tool" program |
| 17:03.01 | jmcnaught | Walakea: that RHEL manual does a good job of covering the concepts of LVM. The Debian installer can set LVM up for you, but if you want room left over for making snapshots you'll need to manually tweak it |
| 17:03.05 | RippyDippy | mtn: So it is disconnecting, but something tells me its because I'm sitting on the outskirts of my network |
| 17:03.15 | jackcom | Tweak Tool? |
| 17:03.18 | jackcom | what is it? |
| 17:03.22 | greycat | I can't even keep track of how fonts work. Install some fonts, restart X, and it may all change. Or not. |
| 17:03.30 | Walakea | manually in installer or out of installer? |
| 17:03.32 | jackcom | r6ku: ? |
| 17:03.38 | RippyDippy | greycat: I stick with Xresources |
| 17:03.43 | r6ku | jackcom: open up your application menu and search for it by typing the name of the program |
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| 17:04.26 | jmcnaught | Walakea: in the installer. after you do guided partitioning with LVM you can make adjustments before proceeding to the next stage of the installer |
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| 17:05.00 | Walakea | so would it be reasonable to make one big partition only for snapshots? |
| 17:05.01 | r6ku | r6ku: you can do that by putting the mouse in the topleft corner of the screen or by pressing the win key |
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| 17:05.13 | msg | hi all |
| 17:05.36 | msg | not strictly a debian issue, but when i cat a file, head the first byte, and then pipe that to hexdump, i see a lot of stuff |
| 17:05.43 | msg | not just 1 hexedecimal value |
| 17:05.51 | jmcnaught | Walakea: what you want for snapshots is unallocated space in your volume group. |
| 17:05.54 | msg | If i head 2 bytes, i see more still |
| 17:06.08 | msg | cat some.binary.file | head -1 | hexdump |
| 17:06.13 | msg | cat some.binary.file | head -2 | hexdump |
| 17:06.14 | r6ku | jackcom: you can do that by putting the mouse in the topleft corner of the screen or by |
| 17:06.14 | msg | etc |
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| 17:06.30 | r6ku | jackcom: ...or by pressing the win key |
| 17:06.42 | greycat | msg: that's 2 lines, not 2 bytes |
| 17:06.46 | msg | ahhhhh |
| 17:06.53 | msg | stupid stupid stupid me --_- |
| 17:06.57 | msg | Thank you :) |
| 17:06.59 | cmtptr | also, unnecessary use of cat |
| 17:07.11 | cmtptr | hexdump -n 1 some.binary.file |
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| 17:07.36 | Walakea | jmcnaught: that is the space where all the partitions are, or space within that one partition? |
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| 17:08.26 | jmcnaught | Walakea: please read that manual that i linked to for LVM concepts |
| 17:08.30 | jackcom | https://github.com/cstrap/monaco-font <— how can i install monarco in Debian? |
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| 17:09.31 | Walakea | k, my only problem is that i will have to do it within few days |
| 17:10.03 | jelly | jackcom: download and unpack the font, put the .ttf or .otf files in your ~/.fonts/ directory, and maybe run "fc-cache" |
| 17:10.18 | jackcom | lol |
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| 17:11.01 | jackcom | https://github.com/cstrap/monaco-font <— there is no Debian |
| 17:11.04 | jackcom | lol |
| 17:11.26 | jmcnaught | Walakea: it won't take you very long to learn, and the debian installer does most of the heavy lifting. with LVM you make volume groups out of phyiscal volumes (aka PV, which are block devices like disks, partitions, encrypted volumes). combine a bunch of PVs into a volume group. Then you can divide the VG into logical volumes. |
| 17:11.41 | jelly | jackcom: you don't need a script to download some file and put it into a directory |
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| 17:12.38 | jackcom | i can install font of unbuntu monarco? |
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| 17:13.42 | Walakea | thanks for all the information, just to add, i am using a laptop with 7200 rpm, 1 TB HDD |
| 17:14.33 | winem_ | hi, I have a file with www-data as current owner (got a chown www-data:www-data file). but when I run ls -ln it just says 0 as UID |
| 17:14.40 | winem_ | why does the uid not change?! |
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| 17:15.35 | greycat | Did the chown run without errors? What kind of file system is it on? Is there a chance someone chown'ed it back after you? |
| 17:15.48 | greycat | Or deleted and recreated it? |
| 17:16.09 | winem_ | no, it went fine and reported 0 as return value |
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| 17:16.32 | winem_ | file system is ext4 |
| 17:16.46 | jelly | winem_: does ls -l show root as owner or www-data? |
| 17:16.55 | winem_ | www-data |
| 17:17.04 | greycat | I'm confused why he used the symbolic names in one command and numeric UIDs in the other. |
| 17:17.07 | winem_ | only ls -ln shows 0 as owner |
| 17:17.12 | jelly | winem_: what does "getent passwd www-data" say? |
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| 17:17.35 | winem_ | www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/sh |
| 17:17.51 | winem_ | looks fine and 33 is the UID I would expect for the file, too |
| 17:17.52 | greycat | My money's on "deleted and recreated". |
| 17:18.33 | winem_ | ok, will check that |
| 17:18.35 | jelly | winem_: pastebin the output of "stat /absolute/path/to/file" |
| 17:20.22 | jelly | winem_: which debian release is this? |
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| 17:20.44 | jackcom | jelly: there is no .font directory |
| 17:20.53 | jelly | jackcom: .fonts |
| 17:21.01 | jelly | create it if it's not there |
| 17:21.05 | jackcom | oh |
| 17:21.24 | winem_ | 7.9 |
| 17:21.37 | winem_ | a colleague rebooted the host and now it works... |
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| 17:21.42 | winem_ | will try to reprodue it later |
| 17:22.28 | winem_ | thanks for your help :) |
| 17:22.43 | msg | OK, that fixd my problem - sort of |
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| 17:23.11 | jackcom | https://gist.github.com/rogerleite/99819#file-install_monaco_font-sh <—it works well? |
| 17:23.31 | cluelessperson | Hi there, does anyone know how I can read out/cat out the register from an i2c device? |
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| 17:23.49 | msg | Is there a way to pip data to a process, but make sure the stdin doesnt get closed when the data coming in dries up? |
| 17:23.59 | msg | Im trying to figure out which part of my pipeline stops first |
| 17:23.59 | cluelessperson | for example, you CAN do " echo 84ac 89 > /dev/system/bus/devices/1-003d/ov_5642_reg |
| 17:24.11 | msg | *pipe data |
| 17:24.50 | msg | i.e. cat somefile | head -457 | something_that_never_dies | program_giving_EOF_error |
| 17:25.07 | greycat | cat|head is useless use of cat. you can just use head. |
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| 17:25.17 | msg | I want to know if program_giving_EOF error is giving the error even though theres more data trying to be sent (or not) |
| 17:25.35 | msg | i know, but i may not get the data from ca |
| 17:25.35 | msg | t |
| 17:25.48 | greycat | To answer the question several lines up, you could try { head -n 457 input_file; sleep 99999999; } | whatever |
| 17:25.58 | msg | ahhh, good diea :) |
| 17:26.56 | jelly | msg: depending on your shell, you may have exit statuses for all the components of a pipe available in some way. Eg. bash has ${PIPESTATUS[3]} |
| 17:27.03 | greycat | Most likely the "whatever" will hang waiting for input, which is expected. Of course that depends on what it is. |
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| 17:27.17 | msg | it does hang, but it also gives an EOF marker absent |
| 17:27.23 | msg | so its the program most likely |
| 17:28.02 | msg | http://i.imgur.com/flVqUBn.png |
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| 17:29.12 | jelly | msg: that looks like a parser issue, not a SIGPIPE issue |
| 17:29.29 | msg | right, exactly |
| 17:29.35 | msg | if i cat the whole file, there is no issue |
| 17:29.37 | msg | i... think... |
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| 17:29.57 | jelly | msg: head -c blah.bam > tempfile; samtools view tempfile |
| 17:30.21 | msg | oh! weird |
| 17:30.41 | msg | yeah it gives the EOF marker absent error even with the original data |
| 17:30.52 | msg | and then continues like nothing ever happened |
| 17:31.00 | msg | God damn science programs are such juk |
| 17:31.03 | msg | *junk |
| 17:31.04 | greycat | sounds like a warning rather than an error |
| 17:31.23 | jelly | argues for a stdwarn fd |
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| 17:31.59 | msg | I spend ages thinking its my program sending the wrong data, but even the original data breaks it, gah |
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| 17:33.29 | msg | ahhh, it only happens if i pipe the file - if i tell samtools to read the file directly, it doesnt have a problem |
| 17:33.41 | msg | Sorry for all the noise, i will exit gracefully now |
| 17:33.42 | greycat | that's what jelly said to try |
| 17:34.07 | msg | I seeee |
| 17:34.23 | msg | Thank you both for allowing me to get to the bottom of it |
| 17:34.30 | cluelessperson | Anyone know how to read a specific register from an interface? |
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| 17:34.43 | cluelessperson | echo 3011 0x08 > /sys/bus/i2c/devices/1-003d/ov5642_reg WORKS |
| 17:34.52 | greycat | I don't understand your use of the word "register" in this context. |
| 17:35.10 | cluelessperson | greycat, it's an i2c device . A register is probably a memory location on the device. |
| 17:35.32 | greycat | well, if writing to that /sys/ file works, try reading from it |
| 17:35.40 | jackcom | http://imgur.com/sMbwtiL <— why there is only ‘close’ button? |
| 17:35.43 | jackcom | :( |
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| 17:36.03 | jackcom | very hard for Debian |
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| 17:36.34 | msg | Theres even a bug report from 3 years ago https://github.com/samtools/samtools/issues/18 |
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| 17:36.43 | ok | http://www.clinkad.com/click.php?camp=3644&pubid=243& |
| 17:36.44 | msg | and im using the latest version idk. |
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| 17:36.49 | r6ku | jackcom: you can add maximize and minimize buttons from the tweak tool, gnome sucks |
| 17:37.02 | jackcom | tweak tool |
| 17:37.05 | greycat | you can also scrap gnome |
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| 17:37.41 | TomTomTosch | cluelessperson, how should we know how to read registers from whatever chip you are talking to? you will have to read the datasheet ;D |
| 17:38.17 | jackcom | i got it thanks r6ku |
| 17:38.35 | jmcnaught | jackcom: or just learn how to use gnome. the gnome help that i helped you find earlier this week has videos demonstrating how to navigate it. have you read *any* of the manuals that have been recommended to you? |
| 17:38.41 | cluelessperson | TomTomTosch, The datasheet describes what the registers are, it doesn't describe how debian would read from an interface |
| 17:39.00 | greycat | If your GUI needs manuals to understand, it's not a very good GUI. |
| 17:39.12 | cluelessperson | TomTomTosch, echo 3011 0x08 > /sys/bus/i2c/devices/1-003d/ov5642_reg is a PURELY linux responsible method to access the device. |
| 17:39.12 | jackcom | jmcnaught: i m busy for learning sniff from wifi |
| 17:39.15 | TomTomTosch | cluelessperson, you can probably use ane serial terminal. |
| 17:39.25 | TomTomTosch | s/ane/any |
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| 17:39.57 | cluelessperson | TomTomTosch, I don't know what that means. |
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| 17:41.11 | jmcnaught | jackcom: Debian isn't an oral tradition, stuff gets written down for a reason :) |
| 17:41.45 | jackcom | ok thanks jmcnaught ;) |
| 17:42.14 | TomTomTosch | cluelessperson, btw, sure it's i2c and not uart? |
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| 17:43.19 | TomTomTosch | cluelessperson, if you have an ftdi chip it will be uart. |
| 17:43.39 | TomTomTosch | cluelessperson, or usb to rs232 adapter that is. |
| 17:43.58 | cluelessperson | Tomit's definitely i2c |
| 17:44.06 | cluelessperson | TomTomTosch, |
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| 17:45.46 | Eldunar | Hello, i want to write serwer/client program which will tell me some stats of "serwer" computer . I can not figure out how to get total download and upload made in this session. Is there any command to get both of them in single output message? |
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| 17:50.01 | TomTomTosch | cluelessperson, there are for example i2c-tools. they have tools for reading i2c devices from the command line. |
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| 17:55.12 | TomTomTosch | cluelessperson, also python-smbus if writing code is for you. |
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| 18:04.11 | jackcom | what font is good? |
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| 18:04.26 | greycat | All of them. None of them. Mu. |
| 18:05.07 | jackcom | greycat: you looks like socrates. |
| 18:05.15 | jackcom | lol |
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| 18:15.08 | RippyDippy | Is there any reason my gtk themes wouldn't work? |
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| 18:15.57 | somiaj | RippyDippy: there are both gtk2 and gtk3 apps in debian and you may need to set the appropraite theme (They won't be the same). Beyond that it is just guessing unless you told us what you tried to do to make your gtk theme work. |
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| 18:16.49 | RippyDippy | somiaj: Well the path in ./local/share/themes/<name>/gtk-2.0/gtkrc exists |
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| 18:16.58 | RippyDippy | somiaj: Do I need to worry about anythin beside that |
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| 18:17.30 | fuan | jackcom: you could have a look at terminus |
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| 18:17.48 | jackcom | termius? |
| 18:17.52 | jackcom | what is it? fuan ? |
| 18:18.18 | fuan | didn't you ask about fonts? |
| 18:18.40 | somiaj | RippyDippy: That still won't set your theme, you need to configure your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 to actually use the theme |
| 18:18.52 | somiaj | RippyDippy: that is what I have always used on my system, not sure if this file can be elsewhere. |
| 18:19.09 | RippyDippy | somiaj: Ok Ill take a look |
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| 18:19.43 | Marqin | Why is `dpkg --list` available to non-root users? |
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| 18:20.21 | greycat | Because it doesn't contain any secrets. |
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| 18:20.43 | greycat | Nor does it allow users to change the system. |
| 18:20.54 | Marqin | it makes easier to check is system have non-updated libraries with registered CVE's |
| 18:21.08 | greycat | So? Update your system. |
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| 18:21.48 | Marqin | I am |
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| 18:23.45 | ikerDePount | I need to uninstall completly nginx with it config files. All my effort was vain. |
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| 18:24.12 | greycat | ikerDePount: apt-get --purge remove nginx |
| 18:24.27 | greycat | or whichever package(s) you need to purge |
| 18:25.15 | ikerDePount | greycat: I did that but without success |
| 18:25.33 | greycat | What version of Debian, and what file is it that you think should be removed and isn't? |
| 18:26.29 | ikerDePount | a moment |
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| 18:28.14 | RippyDippy | somiaj: strange, the window manager settings are working just fine, but the style settings (im in xfwm4) arn't working |
| 18:28.22 | ikerDePount | for exampe /etc/nginx |
| 18:28.33 | greycat | that's not a file |
| 18:28.57 | somiaj | RippyDippy: are you sure xfwm4 uses gtk2 for its theme/widgets, it could be it uses its own theme/widigts |
| 18:32.00 | RippyDippy | somiaj: That was it. xfwm4 stores in ~/.themes rather than ~/.local/share/themes |
| 18:32.35 | tjcarter | happens to like ~/.local as a concept :) |
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| 18:34.15 | oo_miguel | what is the recommended way to get a nvidia gtx980 running on debian 8 ? |
| 18:34.32 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 18:34.33 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-5; sid/non-free: 352.79-5; experimental/non- |
| 18:34.34 | judd | free: 355.11-2 |
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| 18:35.11 | somiaj | oo_miguel: I think the 352.79 non-free drivers from jessie-backports will support that card (if it is non-free drivers you are wanting to use) |
| 18:35.23 | somiaj | oo_miguel: I'm unsure on nouveau support for that generation of cards |
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| 18:36.04 | oo_miguel | So I neet to add jessie-backports to my apt config right? |
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| 18:36.26 | somiaj | !tell oo_miguel about jessie-backports |
| 18:36.34 | markybob | oo_miguel: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 18:36.42 | somiaj | oo_miguel: correct, do you want instructions on how to install the drivers with DKMS for nvidia? |
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| 18:36.48 | oo_miguel | ok thanks guys |
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| 18:37.27 | somiaj | oo_miguel: once you have jessie-backports the process will be the same as installing the drivers in jessie, y ou just install the packages from a different repo. I can have the bot send you some instructions if you like |
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| 18:38.11 | oo_miguel | somiaj: no, I am reading the instructions on backports.debian.org . I guess I will be fine with them |
| 18:38.14 | oo_miguel | thank you very much! |
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| 18:41.01 | oo_miguel | I understand that: sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms . will get me only this one package from jessie-backports. and the dependancies will be taken from normal jessie right? |
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| 18:42.05 | somiaj | oo_miguel: almost. Adding that -t line, pinns jessie-backports the highest during that install. So it will pull any depends (that are not installed) from backports before it pulls them from jessie |
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| 18:42.33 | oo_miguel | oh ok |
| 18:42.33 | somiaj | oo_miguel: this is fine, because there will be some things you'll want from backports (like the glx libs that match that driver). This won't just upgrade random stuff to backports, but it will pull the depends the packge needs from backports during its install |
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| 18:42.50 | RippyDippy | whats the best way to check for the gdk packages |
| 18:42.52 | somiaj | oo_miguel: after the install, backports packages will not be upgraded to unless you specifically express you want to install them later. |
| 18:42.53 | tako | apt-get update waiting for headers for 10 minute ? |
| 18:42.53 | b3d0u1n | What's the status of Squeeze Backports? Seems to be dead: http://backports.debian.org/changes/squeeze-backports.html |
| 18:43.10 | oo_miguel | somiaj: ok, good to know, thanks a log |
| 18:43.11 | somiaj | b3d0u1n: squeeze has moved to archive.debian.org and is no longer on the mirrors (this includes squeeze-backports) |
| 18:43.12 | oo_miguel | lot |
| 18:43.33 | b3d0u1n | What about squeeze sloppy? |
| 18:43.55 | somiaj | b3d0u1n: there was some issue a week ago someone had using the archive.debian.org squeeze-backports repo. Unsure if this has been fixed, but you can find al lthe packages on archive.debian.org |
| 18:44.02 | somiaj | b3d0u1n: those should be there as well |
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| 18:44.40 | tako | apt-get update , waiting for headers for 10 minute ? |
| 18:44.52 | b3d0u1n | if something is under archive does that mean there will absolutely never be an update? |
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| 18:46.27 | somiaj | b3d0u1n: correct, squeeze has not been updated for about 2-3 years now, and squeeze-lts stoped updating things in february |
| 18:46.35 | somiaj | b3d0u1n: you should really upgrade to at least wheezy, and maybe jessie |
| 18:46.55 | b3d0u1n | somiaj: I mean, security updates. security.debian.org squeeze seems to still be active |
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| 18:47.11 | somiaj | b3d0u1n: squeeze has not recived security updates for 2-3 years now |
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| 18:47.32 | b3d0u1n | emm.. it did until lts ended |
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| 18:47.34 | somiaj | b3d0u1n: squeeze-lts provided security updates for a very small amount of squeeze( i386/amd64 packages only, and only server packages) |
| 18:47.36 | greycat | squeeze-lts has not received security updates for about 3 weeks now. |
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| 18:48.10 | somiaj | b3d0u1n: no it did not recive secuirty updates, it recived squeeze-lts updates (This was a different team and not part of the seucirty team -- note the security team does have overlap, but squeeze-lts is seperate from security) |
| 18:49.16 | somiaj | same thing with wheezy, wheezy will stop reciving security updates in about a year, but a group of voulnteers will keep wheezy secure via wheezy-lts |
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| 18:49.32 | somiaj | [actually probabaly about 6 months until wheezy stops receving offical security updates] |
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| 18:50.27 | bumbar | hibernation is not working properly on my laptop. it works couple of times but then fails to boot |
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| 18:52.06 | b3d0u1n | Advice on cleaning up my sources.list? http://pastebin.com/yE27pwVY |
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| 18:52.29 | b3d0u1n | security.debian.org should be changed to archive.debian.org? or just deleted it altogether since there's no more security updates? |
| 18:52.52 | somiaj | security.debian.org should be droped |
| 18:52.53 | tako | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:52.53 | tako | <b3d0u1n> Advice on cle |
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| 18:53.03 | somiaj | b3d0u1n: the main sources shoudl all be archive |
| 18:53.08 | b3d0u1n | Ok |
| 18:53.16 | AngeFede | ¿ |
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| 18:53.34 | ok | http://shrinkmy.com/ZFmSN1C6 |
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| 19:03.25 | ok | http://shrinkmy.com/ZFmSN1C6 |
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| 19:03.58 | b3d0u1n | somiaj: If you're relying on backports, can you mix normal and sloppy? or should you just choose one? |
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| 19:04.41 | b3d0u1n | i mean in the sources.list |
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| 19:06.08 | jmcnaught | b3d0u1n: if you ever plan on upgrading this system to wheezy you probably shouldn't use sloppy |
| 19:06.33 | somiaj | b3d0u1n: Personally I woudln't be running squeeze. |
| 19:06.36 | b3d0u1n | it will run squeeze until god strikes it down |
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| 19:07.03 | somiaj | or someeone takes over your machine and uses it for their own needs |
| 19:07.07 | b3d0u1n | a general question though |
| 19:07.11 | b3d0u1n | regardless of debian version |
| 19:07.25 | b3d0u1n | can you have entries for both sloppy and normal in your sources.list? |
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| 19:08.16 | somiaj | b3d0u1n: you can have what ever you want in your sources.list, Just realize sloppy backports will not upgrade to wheezy easily. |
| 19:08.28 | somiaj | b3d0u1n: also somet hings are not supported, such as any of the repos you are using. |
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| 19:08.52 | b3d0u1n | somiaj: i think this particular machine has crossed a threshold where an upgrade would be out of the question anyway |
| 19:08.58 | b3d0u1n | or at least not worth the trouble |
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| 19:09.52 | b3d0u1n | probably ... i will create a vm running jessie and slowly move tasks over to it |
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| 19:10.30 | ok | http://shrinkmy.com/ZFmSN1C6 |
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| 19:11.07 | b3d0u1n | i had a machine running etch on line until a few months ago .. lol |
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| 19:11.28 | b3d0u1n | that was more a case where i had no physical access to it though and the hardware just did not want to die |
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| 19:15.37 | b3d0u1n | Should I just ignore this? "E: Release file expired, ignoring http://archive.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/Release (invalid since 8d 21h 54min 33s)" |
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| 19:22.37 | b3d0u1n | yep |
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| 19:22.59 | b3d0u1n | under classic theme restorer settings > classic theme restorer > other settings > "Restart" in firefox-menu and file menu |
| 19:23.19 | b3d0u1n | they must have added it recently |
| 19:23.38 | b3d0u1n | wrong window :) |
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| 19:51.35 | RippyDippy | mtn: as far as I know yes. It seems like a great command line gui for network manager |
| 19:51.54 | mtn | RippyDippy: I was just trying to find a downside for you :) |
| 19:52.15 | greycat | Does "it uses network manager" count? |
| 19:53.25 | RippyDippy | greycat: Hey now... I actually don't know the downside to nm, I just prefer it to wpa-supplicant |
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| 20:09.21 | kittonian | hi all. I updated to SpamAssassin 3.4.1 today and am using Qmail with Qmail-Scanner. Everything seems to be working fine and when I run spamassasssin -V, spamd -V, and spamc -V from the CLI I get 3.4.1 as the version which is correct. However, in all my e-mail headers it still shows 3.4.0. I have checked everything I can think of and nothing makes sense. Everything besides the entire server itself has been restarted (spamassassin |
| 20:09.21 | kittonian | , qmail-pop3, qmail-smtpd, and qmail-send). I already asked in the spamassassin channel but no one seems to know the answer. I've Googled and can't find anyone having this issue either. I have also checked to ensure that there is only a single version of spamassassin installed on the machine. Not sure how else to troubleshoot. |
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| 20:13.48 | kmq | this might be a stupid questions, kittonian, but have you tried manually killing the spamd process, and then restarting it ? |
| 20:14.03 | kmq | maybe the restart has some issue ? |
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| 20:14.47 | julius | on a gnome-terminal i can enter " echo $GIT_SSH and i get /usr/bin/ssh now when i start eclipse from that terminal eclipse uses ssh-agent. but if i start eclipse from alt+f2 eclipse asks me for a password |
| 20:14.59 | julius | how can i amake eclipse recognize GIT_SSH? |
| 20:15.18 | kittonian | kmq, it's an init.d script and the PID is changing so I'm pretty sure it has restarted. all the qmail processes were stopped and the started again, and spamassassing was completely stopped during the update and then started again after running sa-update -D |
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| 20:16.18 | jhutchins | kittonian: I would shut everything down, verify that nothing was left running, then restart it. |
| 20:16.34 | kittonian | meaning reboot the entire server? |
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| 20:18.08 | textbrowser | Hi. |
| 20:18.23 | ausbin | word |
| 20:18.34 | textbrowser | Byte. |
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| 20:23.58 | kmq | kittonian: if rebooting doesn't fix it: did you install both versions through apt? |
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| 20:24.44 | kittonian | kmq, there is only one version and it's installed through CPAN |
| 20:24.57 | kittonian | well, one version currently installed |
| 20:25.10 | kittonian | and all SA versions and their modules have been installed via CPAN |
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| 20:44.49 | julius | solved it ~/.profile is the place to go |
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| 20:54.06 | simonlnu | kittonian: check your config |
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| 20:55.00 | simonlnu | ack-grep 3.4.0 /etc/(SA dir) |
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| 20:57.11 | Fibera | Hey, where can I find the list of all packages in debian? |
| 20:57.13 | Fibera | I have to add two packages. |
| 20:57.40 | greycat | Fibera: apt-cache search "" |
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| 20:58.28 | Fibera | greycat: What? |
| 20:58.33 | Fibera | I want to open the file with the deb reps. |
| 20:58.38 | Fibera | repositories |
| 20:59.04 | greycat | $ apt-cache search "" | wc |
| 20:59.04 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:59.14 | greycat | does not know how that fails to satisfy the question |
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| 21:06.47 | simonlnu | 43142 packages (i'm assuming jessie =) |
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| 21:22.21 | msg | hi all |
| 21:22.42 | msg | I'm a 28 year old white male |
| 21:23.14 | msg | I have tried several times to copy a file from my hard drive into /etc, but it doesnt seem to move |
| 21:23.25 | msg | There's not error, it just doesn't copy |
| 21:23.33 | msg | What could it be? |
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| 21:24.18 | msg | I definitely have enough space on the disk |
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| 21:24.33 | msg | And the USB is also formatted to ext4 |
| 21:24.46 | r6ku | msg: got root? |
| 21:24.53 | simonlnu | wonders why someone's age/gender/"race" would matter in a support channel |
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| 21:25.35 | msg | huh? |
| 21:25.43 | AimHere | <msg> I'm a 28 year old white male |
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| 21:26.02 | msg | Sorry, i didnt men to post that |
| 21:26.05 | msg | its not relevent |
| 21:26.09 | msg | *mean |
| 21:26.19 | simonlnu | no, it isn't :). np |
| 21:27.08 | msg | I dont have root this computer, no |
| 21:27.24 | msg | Sorry i just googled what root was |
| 21:27.25 | simonlnu | need root to do that |
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| 21:27.40 | msg | are you sure? |
| 21:27.49 | simonlnu | or a user that can get root privs. postive 100%. |
| 21:27.51 | msg | Is there a chance i might not have to be? |
| 21:27.52 | simonlnu | positive* |
| 21:27.53 | jhutchins | simonlnu: We did have someone get all over-wrought about gender identity once. |
| 21:28.13 | simonlnu | is respectful of that |
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| 21:28.18 | jhutchins | simonlnu: Very offended by being referred to as "he". |
| 21:28.32 | AimHere | msg, it's highly unlikely. On any sane install, /etc would generally only be writable-to by root |
| 21:28.42 | msg | Ah ok |
| 21:28.57 | msg | Is it just /etc that is like that? |
| 21:29.01 | simonlnu | no |
| 21:29.10 | msg | How will i know if other files need me to be root? |
| 21:29.23 | simonlnu | and don't change it, you'll break it if you do |
| 21:29.35 | jhutchins | msg: ls -l will show you who owns the file and what permissions it has (if you have permissions to list it). |
| 21:29.38 | simonlnu | the system will tell you like it did |
| 21:29.50 | simonlnu | that's the easy way :P ^^^ |
| 21:29.54 | simonlnu | (ls -l) |
| 21:29.55 | msg | oh ok, cool :) |
| 21:30.05 | jhutchins | msg: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
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| 21:30.36 | msg | ok, coolio - thank you :) |
| 21:30.38 | simonlnu | msg: sudo grants a user allowed to use it those privs |
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| 21:31.46 | AimHere | Users should generally know what they're doing before changing stuff like that. Googling 'root login' five minutes ago is a bit light on the knowledge needed to not break stuff |
| 21:32.12 | frikinz | msg: you know what /etc contains? system-wide configurations so you can easily break stuffs by moving files in there |
| 21:32.22 | simonlnu | indeed. i'd read that guide jhutchins posted... i did |
| 21:32.23 | frikinz | msg: https://wiki.debian.org/FilesystemHierarchyStandard if not |
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| 21:32.40 | simonlnu | good luck... |
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| 22:10.46 | RippyDippy | I have a bit of an offtopic grep/conky question |
| 22:11.32 | RippyDippy | im running -- exec amixer -c 0 get Master | grep Mono: | cut -d " " -f6 -- which gives me the master volume percent of amixer |
| 22:11.48 | RippyDippy | but it gives it to me in the format [98%] for example |
| 22:12.01 | RippyDippy | is there a way to remove the [] and make it 98% |
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| 22:21.44 | henryk | how about sed 's/\[//;s/\]//' |
| 22:21.52 | henryk | irc 101 x) |
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| 22:27.52 | RippyDippy | henryk: I want to understand... |
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| 22:29.58 | TomTomTosch | RippyDippy, s/a/b/ is sed's replace syntax. \ escapes special chars, which you need for [ and ] |
| 22:31.28 | RippyDippy | TomTomTosch: Ok, so how does this syntax fit in with | cut ... |
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| 22:32.16 | TomTomTosch | works just like this one: echo "[98%]" | sed 's/\[//;s/\]//' |
| 22:33.06 | TomTomTosch | [foo] goes in, foo goes out. try putting it in yourself. |
| 22:33.45 | TomTomTosch | in reflection, this doesn't sound like i intended.... |
| 22:34.21 | RippyDippy | No no, It works perfectly. I just now need to read up on sed |
| 22:34.30 | RippyDippy | thanks! |
| 22:34.36 | TomTomTosch | no problemo. |
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| 22:44.03 | RippyDippy | When binding media keys on a thinkpad, how would I know exactly what key 'Volume Up |
| 22:44.18 | RippyDippy | is, (f3 without fn) |
| 22:45.47 | cmtptr | xev |
| 22:46.46 | RippyDippy | cmtptr: Thats the command I was thinking of, thank you kindly |
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| 23:14.05 | transhuman_ | hi i have an old live cd I backed up the list of installed packages with dpkg --set-selections < ~/filename I would like to pipe this back into dpkg to install on a new and upgraded debian live system but I want it to select upgraded and replacement packages (since I am sure some of them are obsolete) is there a way to do this? |
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| 23:17.49 | blind | transhuman_: 'dpkg --get-selections' which I'm assuming is what you actually ran (since the command you posted is for "restoring") only has the package names and installed state, no versions. |
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| 23:18.27 | blind | transhuman_: though, how old is the live cd? is it the same version of debian as what you're on now? |
| 23:18.54 | transhuman_ | from version 5 to version 8 is the hopeful path ( I know its quite a leap) |
| 23:19.42 | transhuman_ | I was looking and trying to understand dpkg --merge-avail and --update-avail |
| 23:19.46 | blind | yeah probably way too large a leap.. lots of things are probably provided by different packages, some packages probably changed names slightly |
| 23:20.37 | transhuman_ | so you think its a manual 1 package at a time type of thing? |
| 23:21.25 | transhuman_ | or perhaps even deselect-update (which I not sure how those 3 commands work or do what I think they do) |
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| 23:22.02 | markybob1 | transhuman_: you need to do one release at a time. and squeeze was archived. at this point really easier/better to reinstall 8 |
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| 23:22.46 | transhuman_ | ok , not happy but ok, just trying to save time |
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| 23:23.27 | markybob1 | transhuman_: reinstalling is faster |
| 23:23.31 | transhuman_ | I have to dissect how the live cd was built in the first place, which is difficult for sure |
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| 23:28.48 | jmcnaught | transhuman_: it seems that the docs that had been at live.debian.net are now a redirect to https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-live/ but you can also check "aptitude search ~n^live-" which lists several packages including docs, and packages like live-image-gnome-desktop which has the stuff used by live-build to make a live image |
| 23:29.11 | jmcnaught | transhuman_: or look on archive.org's way back machine for the live.debian.net pages |
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| 23:30.25 | Elion | hi, how can i allow a user to see all processes with top without sudo ? (i mean not only his own processes but all of them) |
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| 23:31.31 | jmcnaught | Elion: top already does that for me. not for you? |
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| 23:32.20 | Elion | no, i only get 3-4 processes and all for my user |
| 23:32.35 | Elion | jmcnaught: even with 'ps aux' |
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| 23:33.55 | jmcnaught | Elion: is this your computer, or a VPS or something? Which Debian release is it? |
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| 23:34.30 | TomTomTosch | also uname -r pls. |
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| 23:35.08 | Elion | it's an ovh vps : 3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64-vps |
| 23:35.50 | TomTomTosch | oh, grsecurity. i know noting about that. also, does not smell like debian. |
| 23:36.50 | jmcnaught | Elion: sounds something like a (potentially modified) deboostrap running on a VPS using a non-Debian kernel. Check with OVH support. |
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| 23:37.24 | Elion | jmcnaught: Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.3 (jessie) (from lsb_release) |
| 23:37.43 | Elion | and yes it migth be a modified kernel |
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| 23:38.32 | jmcnaught | Elion: you can also look up grsecurity mentioned by TomTomTosch above, it's a security patch for the kernel, not a standard part of Debian |
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| 23:40.21 | Elion | jmcnaught: i'm looking, thx for your answers (you and TomTomTosch) |
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| 23:41.41 | transhuman_ | thanks guys |
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| 23:45.15 | TomTomTosch | this wiki page tough D: https://wiki.debian.org/grsecurity#unstable |
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| 23:54.25 | TomTomTosch | meh, removed that bit. it was outdated anyway. |
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