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| 00:19.18 | Jamie96 | My computer can boot a recovery partition by holding F10 at startup. Anyone know how that works or if I could slip an OS in there? I know you can dual boot with grub, but I want to go the way of the light, quick boot Webtop of old...hold key, boot alternative OS. |
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| 00:24.05 | zykotick9 | Jamie96: <sidenote> if you have a recover partition (for reinstalling windows from an OEM) you _may_ run into an issue where there are already 4 primary partitions on a MSDOS-partition table, so it won't let you create any more. best of luck. |
| 00:25.00 | Jamie96 | I'm happy to empty out and use the existing partition...can't say I've ever used it...I always install clean or from backup and avoid the OEM-ware. |
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| 00:28.40 | Jamie96 | How does it work anyway? Is there a flag on the partition, or is it the name or just the placement as third partition? |
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| 00:32.50 | daemon | hey all can anyone help me with a networking problem? I have a vpn setup using (tinc) the vpn is already established (39 nodes) I just added my first debian machine to it, even though it is an openvz client (tun/tap enabled), it appears to connect to the vpn correctly (debug log on what its connecting to and its self) and can ping/pong over the vpn fine as well.. however I cannot actually from console ping any other lan ip I assume its some sort of routing |
| 00:32.50 | daemon | issue: here is my ifconfig https://paste.ee/r/YQJns |
| 00:33.06 | daemon | 172.16.69.1 should be a nameserver for the vpn but it can't ping that either |
| 00:33.14 | daemon | it says the destination host is unreacable |
| 00:33.19 | daemon | for stderr on ping |
| 00:33.55 | daemon | netstat -rn is here: https://paste.ee/r/EdeMC |
| 00:34.00 | daemon | three are no iptables rules |
| 00:34.34 | daemon | and the box is setup identical to the other 39 nodes so I really cannot see what its having an isue with, any hlp would be more than welcome :) |
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| 00:37.29 | HL521 | Hey all! I am trying to mount a NAS folder to my /mnt directory, but it just hangs and I don't understand why |
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| 01:47.11 | jhamlin | Hi folks. I'm running Jessi on a lenovo laptop (T450). Until tonight I've been able to plug in my HDMI monitor and use it. Suddenly, the monitor won't show up. xrandr says HDMI disconnected. Any suggestions? |
| 01:47.24 | jhamlin | Jessie |
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| 01:50.35 | somiaj | jhamlin: jessie shoudln't have updates that change things, so I would say unless you are using a lot from backports that it may be the monintor. |
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| 01:51.18 | somiaj | jhamlin: is the monintor turned on? It may not be reading the edid correctly. Also check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and make sure your video drivers are properly loading. |
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| 02:01.16 | Resilience | I woul dlike to know if thre is some channel ddicated to RAID systems, I would like to know something about RAID's, which oe is better for waht, hoy yo calculate the number of disks, etc |
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| 02:06.49 | somiaj | Resilience: there is ##hardware |
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| 02:08.19 | Resilience | somiaj, well, maybe, I aw it before.. I will taje a rty thanks |
| 02:08.29 | Resilience | somiaj, well, maybe, I saw it before.. I will take a try thanks |
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| 02:12.45 | RoyK | Resilience: if it's software raid, try #linux-raid |
| 02:13.00 | RoyK | Resilience: or #zfsonlinux |
| 02:13.11 | RoyK | Resilience: depending on what you want/need |
| 02:13.32 | Resilience | RoyK, building a nas system with debian |
| 02:13.34 | RoyK | IMHO hwraid is rather dead, or at least dying |
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| 02:14.30 | RoyK | Resilience: then try #linux-raid - it's about md, the standard swraid subsystem in linux |
| 02:15.13 | Resilience | RoyK, but my questions are not about configuring raid in linux (not yet) but about what system buid |
| 02:15.35 | RoyK | same thing |
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| 02:16.07 | Resilience | ah ok |
| 02:16.11 | Resilience | thank you RoyK |
| 02:16.18 | RoyK | Resilience: all I'm saying is that #linux-raid is a better place to ask for these things |
| 02:16.30 | Resilience | RoyK, thanks :) |
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| 02:18.46 | RoyK | Resilience: but to keep it rather short: Use RAID-5 or -6 if it's storage volume it's about, and not IOPS (that is I/O operations per second). Most people will be happy with a RAID-5, but then, with enough disks, you want RAID-6 (I'd say 5+ disks, then you want RAID-6). If it's database storage or VM storage, or at least with slow drives, you'd want RAID-1+0, aka RAID-10, because it gives better IOPS. For a root/system drive, you probably want just a mirror, aka R |
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| 02:20.20 | RoyK | Resilience: and seriously, you don't want hwraid unless you get a pretty good controller, and those cost a lot. Choose ZFS if data quality is critical, since it checksums everything, but then, it's not very flexible, at least compared to md, which is possibly the most flexible RAID system I've seen (and I've been working with storage for a while) |
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| 02:21.04 | Resilience | RoyK, wow, thanks, I have discaded hw-raid, only sw-raid :) |
| 02:22.11 | RoyK | Resilience: join #linux-raid and we can chat there - this isn't about debian, really, it's about RAID |
| 02:22.22 | Resilience | RoyK, I go there |
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| 02:52.33 | nebg | is there a way to start automatically a graphical applciation after the system boot in linux ? without login and without letting the possibility for the user to do other things except for my application ? i need to use gentoo to make a specific application system... for example for bus information system in my city... any idea ? |
| 02:55.08 | RoyK | if it's gentoo, then this is the wrong channel |
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| 02:59.46 | cmtptr | also why would you want to prevent user logins |
| 03:00.01 | cmtptr | seems like that would be difficult to debug |
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| 03:01.04 | cmtptr | also for an embedded, application-specific system you probably would be better off rolling your own rather than using a desktop distro |
| 03:01.34 | cmtptr | but based on the question I'm going to guess that's probably asking a bit much |
| 03:06.56 | RoyK | nebg: I'm rolling out some raspberry pis for information monitors. What we did to disallow logins, was just to disable the usbhid module |
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| 03:10.55 | nebg | what's the usbhid module ? |
| 03:11.20 | RoyK | hid == human interface device |
| 03:11.26 | RoyK | such as keyboards or mice |
| 03:12.20 | RoyK | then we just setup lubuntu with auto-login and autostart of firefox to show a webpage |
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| 03:13.48 | Epakai | what makes xarchiver think opening text files with wine notepad is reasonable? |
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| 03:22.40 | TomTomTosch | is it set as the default application? |
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| 03:23.34 | Epakai | i don't know anywhere such things can be set. I check update-alternatives, and xfce's preferred applications. |
| 03:24.34 | TomTomTosch | you can test it with xdg-open bla.txt |
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| 03:29.19 | Epakai | ok, that is the issue. xdg-open's man page doesn't really say where it gets it's info from though. I tried xdg-settings but it only knows about browser and url-scheme-handler |
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| 03:31.50 | somiaj | xdg-open uses various things, one of them is xdg-mime types to determine the application |
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| 03:34.57 | TomTomTosch | there might be a desktop file for notepad in /usr/share/applications/ which would be strange, but worth taking a look. |
| 03:37.24 | TomTomTosch | or you can check what's associated with text/plain in /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache |
| 03:37.46 | Epakai | ~/.local/share/applications/wine-extension-txt.desktop deleted, now it defaults to libreoffice which is still dumb |
| 03:37.46 | apt | Epakai: what are you talking about? |
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| 03:39.24 | toastyde2th | hey folks, where is the linux IO targetcli package (or equivalent) in debian? |
| 03:39.30 | toastyde2th | in stable |
| 03:39.37 | toastyde2th | is there some other tool that debian is using |
| 03:40.24 | TomTomTosch | Epakai, you can specify custom defaults by creating a mimeapps.list in $HOME/.local/share/applications |
| 03:41.10 | TomTomTosch | Epakai, the wiki has it described here: https://wiki.debian.org/MIME#Application_association |
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| 03:43.05 | Epakai | superior, thanks. |
| 03:43.31 | Apocx | can anyone explain to me why, even when I manually add a host to ~/.ssh/known_hosts via "ssh-keyscan -H -t rsa,dsa <host>", it still prompts me to accept the new host signature when I actually SSH into the host? I'm trying to add the host prior to connecting via SSH so I don't get the prompt to add the host's key |
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| 03:46.01 | TheGreatGudsby | hey |
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| 03:46.26 | jmcnaught | Apocx: are you redirecting the output to your known_hosts file? |
| 03:46.32 | Apocx | yes |
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| 03:46.44 | somiaj | Apocx: check the difference between the two lines it adds. Could it be something to do with the hostname/ip it saves the key under? |
| 03:46.59 | Apocx | looked identical to me earlier, I will try again |
| 03:47.50 | TheGreatGudsby | where are user commands usually read from? I have a mongo server that runs when i type in mongod. and when i do "which mongod" as a user i get a response back to the directory where that mongod bin folder is: my home/mongodb/ folder. But I want to know what file tells the computer to go to that location on the computer.... |
| 03:48.05 | TheGreatGudsby | if that makes sense.. |
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| 03:48.16 | jmcnaught | TheGreatGudsby: "echo $PATH" |
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| 03:49.02 | TheGreatGudsby | jmcnaught, you right. but how can I edit this $PATH ? |
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| 03:49.22 | TheGreatGudsby | the /home/myuser/.profile file ? |
| 03:49.35 | Apocx | hm, so letting SSH add the host when I connect produces different output than ssh-keyscan does |
| 03:49.48 | somiaj | TheGreatGudsby: depends on how it was set and what type of login you ar eusing. Note .profile and .bashrc can both set it depending on how you login |
| 03:50.15 | jmcnaught | Apocx: is it just the hash that is different, or the key? |
| 03:50.50 | TheGreatGudsby | somiaj, ok so .profile or .bashrc and what other possibility could be there? i'm trying to look through all possibilities. The mongod command only runs from myuser. the root user does not find mongod command at all |
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| 03:51.21 | Apocx | ah I think I figured it out |
| 03:51.38 | Apocx | (keys and key type were different, I think I need to use ecdsa) |
| 03:51.47 | somiaj | TheGreatGudsby: $PATH is just an enviorment variable. There are lots of things that can set/change it ina paticular shell. I gave you the two places bash will set it when it loads a shell |
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| 03:52.20 | Apocx | yep that was the problem, needed to do ssh-keyscan -t ecdsa |
| 03:52.21 | Apocx | whoops |
| 03:52.29 | Apocx | thanks for the help |
| 03:52.29 | jmcnaught | TheGreatGudsby: mongodb is installed in /home/mongodb/bin? |
| 03:52.47 | TheGreatGudsby | jmcnaught, nah. mine is installed in /home/myuser/mongodb/bin |
| 03:52.56 | TheGreatGudsby | well mine "which mongod" leads to that location |
| 03:53.05 | np_ | i'm running debian 8.3 on my laptop and using openbox as a windowmanager -- when i close the lid, my screen goes black and i can't recover. the system is still running, but i'm forced to power down the machine with the power button. does anyone know how to fix this issue? |
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| 03:54.05 | TheGreatGudsby | somiaj, how do i reset the getting of PATH ? |
| 03:54.18 | jmcnaught | TheGreatGudsby: a more conventional place to put locally installed (not with apt) software is /usr/local, which would be in root's $PATH by default. |
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| 03:55.02 | TheGreatGudsby | jmcnaught, yes i understand. but i dont think this instance of mongod is located in that direction simply because root cannot access it. only myuser can |
| 03:55.06 | somiaj | TheGreatGudsby: you should find what is setting it, it wasn't .profile or .bashrc? maybe .bash_profile |
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| 03:55.26 | TheGreatGudsby | somiaj, there is no file called /home/myuser/.bash_profile |
| 03:55.30 | somiaj | TheGreatGudsby: root can access it, it is just not in roots $PATH. do /full/path/to/monodb when running it as root |
| 03:55.50 | somiaj | if needed you can modify roots $PATH, put a script or link in /usr/local/bin |
| 03:56.25 | TheGreatGudsby | somiaj, how do i restart the getting of $PATH |
| 03:56.51 | TheGreatGudsby | i found a thing in .bashrc relating to mongod. i removed it. so now i want to restart it then check it. |
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| 03:57.00 | somiaj | TheGreatGudsby: you don't restart it. YOu can just set your own path variable. PATH=foo |
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| 03:57.22 | TheGreatGudsby | somiaj, but that will not be restart-persistent, so to speak |
| 03:57.26 | somiaj | TheGreatGudsby: those files are read when you loged, if you want to see what happens witha full login shell, run 'su - username', if you want to see what happens iwht a non-login shell, run 'bash' |
| 03:57.33 | TheGreatGudsby | ok |
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| 03:58.11 | TheGreatGudsby | ah i see |
| 03:58.13 | TheGreatGudsby | it works |
| 03:58.22 | TheGreatGudsby | the devil was in the .bashrc |
| 03:58.30 | TheGreatGudsby | thank you so much somiaj and jmcnaught |
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| 03:59.20 | jmcnaught | np_: what do you want to happen when you close the lid? nothing? suspend? |
| 03:59.37 | np_ | jmcnaught: i'd like it to suspend |
| 04:00.16 | jmcnaught | np_: does suspend work properly if you do it manually? |
| 04:00.18 | np_ | jmcnaught: it's set to do that in gnome-tweak-tools. however i just read somewhere that it might have something to do with the defualt screensaver software that's running, but i havent figured out how to disable it |
| 04:00.28 | np_ | jmcnaught: im not sure how to try it |
| 04:01.21 | somiaj | np_: systemd may be doing the suspend, run 'systemctl suspend' to see if it supsends correctly (this is probably what is being run when you close the lid) |
| 04:01.40 | np_ | somiaj: ok, i'll give that a try |
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| 04:03.20 | np_ | heh |
| 04:03.32 | np_ | it seems like the system isn't recovering from a suspend |
| 04:03.47 | somiaj | you'll have to check the logs, sometimes it is just one of your modules needs some care |
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| 04:04.26 | somiaj | and I'm unsure how to configure custom suspend hooks with systemd. But what you can do is see what looks like it could be the problem, then manually remove the modules that could be causign the problem |
| 04:04.29 | okee | Would someone know what the "b" in front of the following permissions means: brwxrw? I am aware what the rwxrw means. I looked this up on the net, and it indicates that "b" means block level device. The reason that I ask is that I am still not able to view my drives to other OSes, even though I am dual booting, and there is instability, and frequent reboots when selecting various files. Earlier today i received the following two |
| 04:04.30 | okee | messages: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3a18ed5d/ There are no floppy drives configured in the bios, and I don't know why I show an fd0 in the list of gui based drive options. I do have a floppy cable connected to a floppy port, with no drive connected to it. Would that cause this type of problem? |
| 04:05.03 | np_ | somiaj: which logs might i look in to find out what i need to know? the system is unresponsive when it happens so i cant look at dmesg |
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| 04:05.59 | somiaj | np_: you may have to enable presistant jourald logs, you can lso check /var/log/messages and other files in /var/log |
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| 04:10.10 | jmcnaught | okee: hello again. does your computer have a floppy drive, and if so do you plan on using it? |
| 04:10.19 | FuriousGeorge | hi all |
| 04:10.35 | jmcnaught | okee: check if "lsmod | grep floppy" returns anything. |
| 04:10.36 | FuriousGeorge | been using centos for a while, think im gonna switch to see if debian plays nicer with GCE |
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| 04:11.44 | okee | jmcnaught> The computer does not have a floppy drive. |
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| 04:12.29 | jmcnaught | okee: is the floppy module listed with the command i gave you? |
| 04:13.04 | okee | jmcnaught> It returns the following: floppy 53134 0 |
| 04:13.50 | okee | jmcnaught> Incidentally I have previously umounted /dev/fd0, but apparently it had no affect. When I run ls -l I come up with a permission of brxwrw |
| 04:14.13 | okee | jmcnaught> At bootup it indicates Jessie is clean. |
| 04:14.23 | somiaj | You could just have a floppy controler that isn't connected to any drive. |
| 04:14.31 | okee | jmcnaught> Could it be a floppy cable not connected to anything? |
| 04:14.36 | jmcnaught | okee: See the three steps under "Howto:" on this page: https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting (replacing <modulename> with floppy) |
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| 04:15.19 | jmcnaught | okee: you can remove the module from the current boot with "rmmod floppy", and following the instructions above should prevent the floppy module from getting loaded for future boots |
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| 04:17.20 | somiaj | isn't modprobe -r a bit nicer of a way to remove modules than rmmod? |
| 04:19.49 | jmcnaught | i don't know, it looks like modprobe -r will try to also remove modules it depends on which is nice |
| 04:20.05 | jmcnaught | has been spoiled by well supported hardware for many years now. |
| 04:20.41 | somiaj | I've just seen modprobe -r suggested over rmmod a few times and don't know the details myself. |
| 04:21.29 | okee | jmcnaught> What would be the module name in the first line of how to, in the instructions you provided https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 04:21.32 | jmcnaught | and rmmod(8) says right at the top that most users should use modprobe -r, so it must be true |
| 04:21.46 | jmcnaught | okee: floppy |
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| 04:23.05 | jmcnaught | okee: there are probably other files in /etc/modprobe.d/ on your system if you need an example |
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| 04:23.22 | Rusty1_ | removing the module disables it for subsequent boots? |
| 04:24.03 | jmcnaught | Rusty1_: no it just removes it immediately, okee is also blacklisting it with /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 04:24.37 | okee | jmcnaught> There is a blacklist directory in /etc/modprobe.d/ Should I put floppy in there? |
| 04:24.42 | [an]onymous | http://adf.ly/1Yk9Jw Please tell me if this is real or not.. |
| 04:25.10 | jmcnaught | okee: put it in its own file /etc/modprobe.d/floppy-blacklist.conf |
| 04:25.19 | somiaj | okee: not directory, and you can put it in any file you want. Putting it its own file makes it easier to find in the future |
| 04:25.47 | okee | jmcnaught> I am receiving an error message, when running step two: run 'depmod -ae' as root. The error message says WARNING -e needs E or F. |
| 04:26.37 | okee | jmcnaught> I tout it in /etc/modprobe.conf. Should I change it to /metc/modprobe.d/floppy-blacklist.conf? |
| 04:26.56 | Rusty1_ | is fstab containing a reference to a floppy , does the machine have a floppy drive at all? |
| 04:27.28 | okee | jmcnaught> Typo. I meant to say I put it in /etc/modprobe.conf. Should I change it to /etc/modprobe.d/floppy-blacklist.conf (sorry my manual dexterity is so bad). |
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| 04:28.19 | somiaj | okee: it is an orginizational concern. Modern pratices is to split config options into indvidual files to make them easier to find/manage. |
| 04:28.28 | okee | Rusty1_> fstab does not have a floppy (fd0), and the machine does not have a floppy at all. However, there is a floppy cable connected with no drive attached. |
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| 04:28.48 | okee | somiaj> Ok, will change it. Thanks for the clarification. |
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| 04:32.03 | okee | jmcnaught> The instructions in the website you provided indicates that comments in headers in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf does not affect autoloading of modules by the kernel, and that a fake install is required in order to blacklist kernels. |
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| 04:33.31 | jmcnaught | okee: once you've blacklisted it and rebooted, if it's still loading the floppy module we can check that |
| 04:33.49 | KNERD | I am using latest version. I performed some updates, then rebooted. Now all the applications on the Cinnamon desktop are not rendering correctly. Instead of an application, I am getting an image of the desktop background with a 3D shadow around it. Advice? |
| 04:33.54 | xar- | any kernel ninjas here? |
| 04:34.04 | okee | jmcnaught> I am getting an error message indicating that WARNING -e requires option -E or -F, after running step 2, in the Howto. What do I do about that? |
| 04:34.27 | somiaj | KNERD: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if your graphics drivers are loading correctly, also what graphics drivers/card are you using? |
| 04:35.01 | xar- | in the context of kernel probe tracepoints, can anyone articulate the difference between the filesystem and block device interface? |
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| 04:35.21 | KNERD | somiaj: give me a few..i can't even see a conole..i wil have to SSH in |
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| 04:35.41 | somiaj | KNERD: take your time, you can also hit ctrl-alt-f2 and drop to a console |
| 04:35.44 | jmcnaught | okee: try just "depmod -a" |
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| 04:40.17 | [an]onymous | Anyone tell me if this image is real...? http://adf.ly/1Yk9Jw |
| 04:41.59 | somiaj | [an]onymous: that is off-topic here |
| 04:42.01 | KNERD | somiaj: It's one of those Intel NM10 Express built in graphics. I am not seeing anything to indicate the driver is failign to load |
| 04:42.20 | somiaj | KNERD: so the intel driver has loaded correctly? |
| 04:42.30 | somiaj | KNERD: and you aren't falling back to vesa |
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| 04:42.47 | KNERD | I am assuming so. I see Intel probing over and over |
| 04:43.06 | somiaj | keep going, sometimes it fails in the detection and falls back to vesa |
| 04:44.05 | KNERD | the 3rd to last last line has Intel0): Modeling "1024x600"x0.0 .......... |
| 04:44.24 | somiaj | KNERD: this is debian jessie? Do you use any backports? |
| 04:45.10 | KNERD | somiaj: Yes it is Jsse, no back ports |
| 04:45.50 | [an]onymous | Anyone tell me if this image is real...? http://adf.ly/1Yk9Jw |
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| 04:46.53 | okee | I ran sudo update-initramfs -u, and this is what I got https://paste.debian.net/hidden/592636f7/ I then ran ls -altr, and there is no reference to anything blacklisted. Except for leaving out -e in an earlier step, I followed the instructions exactly as it is in the website you provided. This is the results of ls -altr https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7380faea/ There is no blacklisted floppy, nor anything else. |
| 04:47.09 | somiaj | KNERD: I can't think of what else it could be. |
| 04:47.33 | jmcnaught | okee: show us the /etc/modprobe.d/floppy.conf file that you made |
| 04:47.35 | okee | somiaj> I am suspicious of the cable that isn't connected to anything. |
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| 04:48.34 | KNERD | somiaj: okay, thanks. I gues maybe I will have to do a bug report |
| 04:48.36 | okee | jmcnaught> The contents of the file is "floppy" |
| 04:48.43 | somiaj | okee: can't say much about that as I odn't see the system. But floppy contolers need not be connected to a floppy. I'm suprised it is giving you problems. |
| 04:48.59 | jmcnaught | okee: "blacklist floppy" is what it should say |
| 04:48.59 | somiaj | okee: that isn't not correct syntax, it needs to be 'blacklist floppy' |
| 04:49.14 | okee | somiaj> Ok, that is probably the issue. i will try that. |
| 04:50.19 | somiaj | KNERD: i'd dig around, check the logs for apt to see which packages are upgraded |
| 04:50.29 | somiaj | KNERD: what kernel do you use? Also check the glx packages |
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| 04:51.40 | KNERD | somiaj: odd.. I just did a fdourth reboot and now it has gone back to normal |
| 04:52.06 | KNERD | okay I will lok for thos elogs..thanks again |
| 04:53.35 | okee | somiaj> I corrected the syntax, and still no blacklist of the floppy. I am wondering if rebooting would help? |
| 04:54.03 | somiaj | okee: as you were told blacklist doesn't remove the module |
| 04:54.12 | somiaj | okee: you can remove it with modprobe -r floppy |
| 04:54.24 | somiaj | okee: a reboot will just check that the black list sucesfully keeps the module from loading. |
| 04:55.55 | okee | somiaj> Ok, thanks. |
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| 04:57.13 | okee | okee> Need to get my beauty rest..... |
| 04:57.29 | okee | thanks for all of your help. |
| 04:57.34 | kxngaroo | hey |
| 04:57.45 | RippyDippy | hey guys, anyone know why my PS1 isnt writing a newline after that line fills |
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| 04:59.13 | kxngaroo | hey im new to servers and stuff and im looking to get a centos server but i dont have money anyone know how to get a free server ? |
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| 05:00.20 | RippyDippy | kxngaroo: Well it depends on what you're doing. I know Microsoft Azure gives a pretty substantial free trial |
| 05:00.42 | RippyDippy | kxngaroo: Maybe look into buying a old thinkpad for cheap and get that going as a server. |
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| 05:01.28 | RippyDippy | kxngaroo: Other than that, server space rarely comes cheap. I mean, its an entire computer you're using. How many free laptops do you use on a daily basis? |
| 05:01.32 | kxngaroo | im not using for ddos like an idiot i just wanna learn ssh commands and stuff |
| 05:01.54 | xar- | kxngaroo: use virtualbox |
| 05:02.09 | kxngaroo | whats that? |
| 05:02.12 | RippyDippy | xar-: That's what I was going to say. Can you ssh into those though? |
| 05:02.31 | RippyDippy | kxngaroo: It's essentially a virtual linux machine (or any machine) that's running on your hardware |
| 05:02.36 | xar- | kxngaroo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualBox |
| 05:03.07 | kxngaroo | so id be using my own connection on it? |
| 05:03.14 | RippyDippy | kxngaroo: yes |
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| 05:03.28 | kxngaroo | i have shitty bandwith |
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| 05:03.44 | somiaj | kxngaroo: the suggestion is you run your own server inside a VM as opposed to using one on the internet to learn things |
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| 05:04.48 | kxngaroo | is there any free trials i could use that have root? |
| 05:04.58 | xar- | jesus christ, are you trolling? -_- |
| 05:05.19 | somiaj | kxngaroo: this is really off topic here. You were given a suggestion to just run your own virtual server on your system. |
| 05:05.23 | kxngaroo | i have the os debian on a bootable usb |
| 05:06.03 | RippyDippy | kxngaroo: O..k..? |
| 05:06.27 | somiaj | kxngaroo: but your question is not about running debian it is about remote hosting. Most likely you won't find a place that gives free vps with root access, but I could be wrong and either way it is off topic here |
| 05:06.51 | kxngaroo | ok :) |
| 05:07.11 | xar- | 05:05 <kxngaroo> yeh im acing dumb to see ppl get mad dont tell them |
| 05:07.23 | kxngaroo | rippydippy said something about rfree trial |
| 05:07.29 | kxngaroo | xar kys lol |
| 05:07.35 | xar- | also, don't PM people without first asking, that's extremely rude |
| 05:07.37 | xar- | !ops |
| 05:07.37 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 05:08.10 | kxngaroo | xar is mad |
| 05:08.23 | somiaj | seems you have to actually give a problem, or give the username, but either way get this back on topic. |
| 05:08.31 | pial | I have installed windows 10 on first partition of my ssd and debian on third partition. debian couldn't identify windows. How do I add windows in grub menu? |
| 05:08.33 | kxngaroo | !ops |
| 05:08.34 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 05:08.41 | sekrit | let's stop spamming ops |
| 05:08.51 | somiaj | pial: have you isntalled the package os-prober |
| 05:08.52 | pial | I followed the instruction here but it did not work. https://wiki.debian.org/DualBoot/Windows10 |
| 05:08.59 | xar- | I already reported him, and /ignore , so I've moved on; I have a low threshold for bullshit |
| 05:09.12 | sekrit | if you don't want unwanted PMs, use umode +g |
| 05:09.13 | somiaj | kxngaroo: please stop. You are off topic and if you continue you will be banned. |
| 05:09.18 | xar- | ahh thanks sekrit |
| 05:09.27 | kxngaroo | ok |
| 05:09.30 | RippyDippy | sekrit: Good to know... |
| 05:09.48 | pial | somiaj, os-prober is installed -> ii os-prober 1.65 amd64 utility to detect other OSes on a |
| 05:10.03 | sekrit | yes, right. +g will block any PMs unless you specifically /accept the person and only then will the PM go through |
| 05:10.14 | somiaj | pial: okay, and it isn't detecting windows 10? Do you know if you are using legacy or efi boot? |
| 05:10.30 | pial | it is a combination of botyh |
| 05:10.34 | kxngaroo | ok ayone wanna buy a botnet? |
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| 05:10.47 | pial | somiaj, it is a combination of both |
| 05:11.15 | somiaj | pial: of both? That could be causing problems, any reason you are using both? |
| 05:11.52 | pial | somiaj, i just set the bios to optimized defaults |
| 05:12.12 | xar- | somiaj is far more lenient than I, prolly a good thing ha |
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| 05:12.38 | pial | somiaj, no particular reason to use both |
| 05:13.07 | somiaj | pial: you can have the system set to support both boots, but in any paticular os, either it be windows or debian only one is being used. What one is being used for windows and what one is being used for debian |
| 05:14.17 | pial | somiaj, how do i know that? |
| 05:15.01 | somiaj | pial: if you are botted in debian you can check if efivarfs is mounted at /sys/firmware/efi/efivars from the output of map |
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| 05:16.50 | somiaj | pial: I just ask because if you use efi with both debian and windows you don't really need grub to detect it |
| 05:17.15 | pial | somiaj, by map u mean nmap? |
| 05:17.38 | somiaj | pial: sorry I mean type 'mount' |
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| 05:18.20 | somiaj | pial: the other solution is you will have to look at /etc/grub.d/40_custom and /etc/grub.d/41_custom and manually add the information to boot the windows partition |
| 05:19.01 | pial | somiaj, there is no efivarf mounted |
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| 05:20.02 | somiaj | pial: okay so you are using legacy boot, do you know if windows is using efi or legacy? If windows is using efi you maybe able to just tell your biso to boot windows, if not you'll have to research how to write a custom grub entry to boot windows since os-prober isn't detecting it |
| 05:20.52 | pial | somiaj, i tried configuring 40_custom but "ntldr /bootmgr" says file /bootmgr not found |
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| 05:21.29 | somiaj | pial: I'm unsure what you need to correctly configure a windows 10 to boot, espically if it needs efi boot and you have grub in legacy mode |
| 05:21.38 | jmcnaught | hmmm... i don't have efivars listed in my mount output, but i have grub-efi-amd64 not grub-pc |
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| 05:21.58 | somiaj | jmcnaught: hmm, maybe it is because I'm on sid |
| 05:22.08 | somiaj | efivarfs on /sys/firmware/efi/efivars type efivarfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) |
| 05:22.22 | jmcnaught | somiaj: efi is still somewhat mysterious to me |
| 05:22.48 | jmcnaught | pial: what does "dpkg -l | grep grub" list for you? |
| 05:22.53 | somiaj | jmcnaught: I like it, but unsure on all of the details. The thing I like about it, is it will hopefully make grub go the way fo the dodo |
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| 05:23.20 | pial | somiaj, ii grub-common 2.02~beta2-22 amd64 GRand Unified Bootloader (common files) |
| 05:23.20 | pial | ii grub-pc 2.02~beta2-22 amd64 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version) |
| 05:23.20 | pial | ii grub-pc-bin 2.02~beta2-22 amd64 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS binaries) |
| 05:23.20 | pial | ii grub2-common 2.02~beta2-22 amd64 GRand Unified Bootloader (common files for version 2) |
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| 05:23.58 | pial | sorry, |
| 05:24.13 | somiaj | pial: its fine, use paste.debian.net in the future |
| 05:24.13 | jmcnaught | pial: sorry, i should've mentioned the paste site. anyways, you've got grub booting with bios not efi |
| 05:25.02 | pial | so, what should I do? |
| 05:25.37 | somiaj | pial: you may have to detmine if windows is using efi boot or not |
| 05:25.47 | somiaj | pial: if it is using efi boot, a legacy grub may not be able to boot it. |
| 05:26.02 | somiaj | (but I'm unsure here as this is ##windows) |
| 05:26.18 | pial | Debian did not say anything about efi or bios during installation, where do i set it? |
| 05:26.43 | pial | somiaj, so I need a efi grub? |
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| 05:27.02 | somiaj | pial: you set it before you install debian. When you boot the installer if you boot into efi mode it uses efi, if you boot into legacy, it uses efi |
| 05:27.40 | somiaj | switching boot mode takes a bit of work, and it is all how you configure your machine to boot |
| 05:28.17 | pial | somiaj, you mean if i set all to efi it should be ok? |
| 05:28.20 | aindilis | is there any program that makes Debian packages for you? |
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| 05:28.32 | somiaj | pial: I cannot answer that because we do not know how your computer is configured to boot windows. |
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| 05:28.53 | somiaj | aindilis: there isn't one program, and debian-helper can help with this. What are you trying to package? |
| 05:29.08 | aindilis | somiaj: I want to package as much AI software as I can |
| 05:29.35 | somiaj | aindilis: any reason you want to package it? This may be a bit of a vauge quesiton I can't answer. |
| 05:29.40 | somiaj | !tell aindilis about nmg |
| 05:29.48 | somiaj | aindilis: that is a guide on mataing and creating debian packages. |
| 05:30.06 | aindilis | thanks, I have made several, and have written a program to do it automatically |
| 05:30.10 | somiaj | aindilis: though unsure how relevatant it is to your case. Would just putting the software in $HOME be sufficent? |
| 05:30.32 | somiaj | aindilis: are you wanting to creat packages for your own systems or get this software into debian? |
| 05:30.37 | pial | somiaj, I tried a lot of combination of (hd0,x) from (hd0,0-6), it either did not load or it couldn't find os. can it be said from it that windows uses efi given debian is using bios? |
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| 05:31.13 | aindilis | somiaj: I am not trying to achieve Debian's quality standards, as that would take too much effort, but I plan to upload to a 3rd party free software repo |
| 05:31.14 | somiaj | pial: I dont not know windows well enough or how it boots to make any claim. |
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| 05:31.29 | aindilis | that could be included with apt-get |
| 05:31.44 | somiaj | aindilis: I'd still read through the new matainers guide, it has useful policy info. |
| 05:31.47 | aindilis | I have |
| 05:31.57 | aindilis | I was thinking about trying to formalize it as a prolog program |
| 05:32.15 | somiaj | aindilis: #debain-mentors may have better support for more specific packing questions. |
| 05:32.17 | pial | somiaj, i will reinstall windows and debian in full efi mode. do u think it will work then? |
| 05:32.35 | aindilis | somiaj: do you know where I could find people who would want to help me make the packages? |
| 05:32.43 | somiaj | aindilis: my experience is very limited. I either use debian source so deb-buildpackage works, or I create a simlple set of rules in a well made source dir with dh_helper |
| 05:33.17 | somiaj | pial: I think it can probably work in the mode you have it in, you just need more info about each oses and how it boots. |
| 05:33.39 | pial | somiaj, the thing is i can't get into windows |
| 05:33.41 | somiaj | pial: I personally like efi, and if windows is already using efi mode you maybe able to just boot it directly form your computers bios |
| 05:34.02 | somiaj | I don't know enough about windows to say if the issue you are having is with your grub config or chain loading windows |
| 05:35.35 | toastyde2th | i'd put $100 down that it's efi |
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| 05:35.44 | toastyde2th | i have this issue all the time with windows p2v migrations |
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| 05:36.13 | pial | somiaj, tnx, i will see what i can do |
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| 05:37.14 | HSRao | Gelchodiao |
| 05:37.16 | HSRao | gand marao |
| 05:37.19 | HSRao | bhosdinao |
| 05:37.25 | HSRao | atthe mare ! |
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| 05:53.59 | RippyDippy | Does anyone know why conky {battery_percent} doesn't/isn't working? |
| 05:54.12 | aindilis | somiaj: sorry I lost connection |
| 05:54.47 | somiaj | aindilis: didn't miss anything. Unsure place to find support in package creation |
| 05:54.59 | aindilis | okay, thanks for your help |
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| 05:55.11 | somiaj | RippyDippy: I think conky has a support channel. It could be some module isn't loaded to report batery life correctly |
| 05:56.20 | RippyDippy | somiaj: Ill check it out |
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| 05:58.26 | somiaj | aindilis: you can also /msg dpkg factoid |
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| 09:12.23 | ph0 | Hi, I'm using debian stretch, according to my "sources.list" -> http://pastebin.com/vmsJxw38 the information given by "lsb_release -a" -> http://pastebin.com/nLn2kv4z seems to be not correct, maybe I've bad misstyped information in my "sources.list" file? |
| 09:17.23 | jelly | ph0: neither the security repo nor the volatile (codename-updates) repo really exist or are cared for until soon before release |
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| 09:18.43 | jelly | ph0: so they may be bogus or nonexisting. Ask in #debian-next channel, on irc.oftc.net (different network!) if someone else running testing can replicate that |
| 09:18.50 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 09:18.51 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 09:26.21 | qoreQyaS | ph0: same here with testing |
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| 09:32.17 | ph0 | ok, I see, Im going to comment those 2 in my sources.list, thank you for the info :) |
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| 10:46.05 | antena-cli | How can I take a screenshot of my lockscreen? I'm using Debian 8.3.0 with Cinnamon. |
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| 11:05.05 | tikund | question, my VPS host just recently released block storage that you can add to your VPS, so I created a volume, attached it to my VPS which hosts my owncloud server, and I configured owncloud to use it as I created a directory just for owncloud on that volume... so how does owncloud actually utilize the two locations it now has to store data, I noticed you can only have certain groups use it which I created a group and I then |
| 11:05.05 | tikund | changed a user to that group.. |
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| 11:18.46 | dad | hello |
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| 11:20.54 | jusss | can I disable some files's internet access authority? |
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| 11:23.45 | abrotman | a file? |
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| 11:35.35 | torpet__ | Hi |
| 11:35.50 | torpet__ | http://backports.debian.org/changes/ does not get contacted updated any more |
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| 11:37.04 | Brigo | torpet__, i think you should tell it to the backports guys. |
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| 11:37.37 | torpet__ | Brigo, who should i contact? |
| 11:38.16 | BlackPanx | is there a way to find amazon web services AKI for https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 ? |
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| 11:39.04 | Brigo | torpet__, try Feedback links in http://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 11:39.27 | Brigo | s/links/link |
| 11:39.38 | torpet__ | thanks, must have missed it |
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| 11:43.41 | Brigo | torpet__, np, and thank for collaborating :) |
| 11:44.09 | torpet__ | Brigo, contacted them. No need to thank me, it is my duty. |
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| 11:45.03 | Brigo | torpet__, i sure it will not hurt :D |
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| 11:54.36 | wewlad | hello debs, how to figure out a file's codepage? |
| 11:54.53 | rozie | wewlad: what does file say? |
| 11:55.02 | wewlad | files don't speak |
| 11:55.23 | rozie | but file does |
| 11:55.33 | SynrGy | wewlad: i hope you're not just initentionally being stupid. 'file' is a tool |
| 11:55.39 | wewlad | oh |
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| 11:56.18 | wewlad | ASCII text, with CRLF, NEL line terminators |
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| 11:56.24 | fommil | hi all, I'd like to forward port an old package from oldstable, specifically https://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/openjdk-6 |
| 11:56.37 | rozie | wewlad: and that's encoding |
| 11:56.44 | wewlad | I need to make that file 'ASCII text, with very long lines' |
| 11:56.58 | atralheaven | hello, im writing a post install script for making new server works faster, I need some help, what things do you think should be installed on a fresh debian server install? and what other things you usually do? this is what I wrote for now: http://hastebin.com/edatekehom.hs , its just starting, help me make it better :) thanks |
| 11:57.00 | fommil | I've downloaded the three source files, how can I set about attempting to build it? The docs at https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html don't refer to these kinds of files |
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| 11:57.56 | wewlad | rozie: how to change 'ASCII text, with CRLF, NEL line terminators' to 'ASCII text, with very long lines'? |
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| 11:58.35 | rozie | dunno what NEL line terminators are |
| 11:59.21 | fommil | aha, dpkg-source -x |
| 11:59.41 | fommil | and what next? |
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| 12:00.08 | fommil | docs here assume I'm building something that's been obtained from apt https://wiki.debian.org/SourcePackage#How_to_build_the_Debian_package |
| 12:00.19 | rozie | fommil: I use dpkg-buildpackage, but not sure if this is recommended way |
| 12:01.00 | SynrGy | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:01.01 | dpkg | i heard dpkg-buildpackage is a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. "aptitude install fakeroot devscripts dpkg-dev build-essential" and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. Ask me about <package recompile> <debian/rules> <source>. |
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| 12:02.08 | fommil | cool! Thanks rozie SynrGy is there anything I can do to try and download the build dependencies of the folder I'm currently in? |
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| 12:02.27 | SynrGy | though i don't know about the -rfakeroot advice. i think that's default |
| 12:02.28 | fommil | I should imagine some of these package names have changed since oldstable |
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| 12:02.47 | SynrGy | if you install devscripts with recommends, then fakeroot should both be installed and used by dpkg-buildpackage by default |
| 12:03.09 | SynrGy | likewise, i think devscripts remembers the other things |
| 12:03.20 | SynrGy | recommends*, not remembers |
| 12:03.27 | fommil | I get unmet build dependencies, is the approach to install them manually? |
| 12:03.46 | SynrGy | no |
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| 12:03.55 | SynrGy | usually just apt-get -f install, if apt knows about the package |
| 12:04.01 | SynrGy | no, wait |
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| 12:04.07 | SynrGy | apt-get build-dep packagename |
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| 12:04.20 | SynrGy | also, if you use a personal builder, it can automatically determine and install the deps |
| 12:04.28 | SynrGy | e.g. pbuilder, sbuild, etc. |
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| 12:05.15 | SynrGy | if you care about not tainting your build with non-standard things on your build host, you might consider using one. |
| 12:05.51 | fommil | uuuugh, this old version of openjdk6 uses the gcj and ecj java compilers, not sure I want to do that |
| 12:06.11 | fommil | SynrGy: but this is for a package that isn't in apt |
| 12:06.24 | SynrGy | you can just install manually the things it complains about, then |
| 12:06.39 | SynrGy | but if it's not in apt, some of its deps may not be available ... |
| 12:06.53 | SynrGy | why do you think you need openjdk6? |
| 12:07.01 | SynrGy | doesn't that have serious security issues? |
| 12:07.02 | rozie | wajig can install build deps |
| 12:07.40 | rozie | builddeps Install build-dependencies for given packages |
| 12:07.48 | teraflops | SynrGy: is the paradigm of the insecurity |
| 12:07.49 | SynrGy | if this is for forensic purposes, you might want to install an older debian release in a VM or a chroot, then install the old jdk in that |
| 12:07.58 | fommil | SynrGy: I need it, there is no need to justify that. Check github for creds |
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| 12:08.17 | rozie | fommil: what you need it for? |
| 12:08.18 | SynrGy | if for production, definitely run it in a VM, isolated from the rest of your host |
| 12:08.46 | SynrGy | doing it the way you have set out to do, building it on a current debian, is probably opening a world of pain ... |
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| 12:09.09 | fommil | rozie SynrGy JDK6 is still the official JDK for Scala development and I don't want to use the SUN/Oracle JDKs anymore |
| 12:09.20 | SynrGy | i can't believe that |
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| 12:09.33 | fommil | SynrGy: like I said, go check my github profile if you don't believe me |
| 12:09.33 | rozie | fommil: try newer version... |
| 12:09.39 | fommil | rozie: ^^ |
| 12:09.44 | rozie | fommil: link pls? |
| 12:09.48 | SynrGy | so scala is obsolete software then |
| 12:10.12 | fommil | SynrGy: scala 2.12 is moving to Java 8. The reason was Android compatibility. |
| 12:10.19 | SynrGy | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=720569 |
| 12:10.20 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/720569 in scala (closed, sid, jessie): «scala: Please stop using openjdk-6-*»; severity: serious; opened: 2013-08-23; last modified: 2014-02-18. |
| 12:10.29 | rozie | scala works with openjdk7 |
| 12:10.32 | SynrGy | it stopped using it 2 years ago |
| 12:10.42 | rozie | that's what wajig show scala say |
| 12:11.13 | rozie | Depends: scala-library (= 2.9.2+dfsg-2), openjdk-7-jre | java7-runtime | java6-runtime, libjansi-java |
| 12:11.16 | fommil | rozie: yes, it also works with JDK9 nightly builds, but that doesn't change the fact that a developer environment to work on core scala internals needs JDK6 |
| 12:11.46 | SynrGy | not a debian-provided development environment, then |
| 12:11.59 | SynrGy | what do debian scala developers use? |
| 12:12.05 | fommil | I have a dependency on g++-4.7 gcj-4.7-jdk |
| 12:12.16 | fommil | where is the build defining that? I can't find it with grep |
| 12:12.27 | rozie | fommil: probably some outdated version |
| 12:12.31 | SynrGy | i have lost interest |
| 12:12.35 | teraflops | Java sucks in many levels |
| 12:12.36 | fommil | SynrGy: most people use the Oracle JDKs |
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| 12:12.51 | fommil | rozie: no, I mean where is it defined so I can go remove / update those |
| 12:12.52 | SynrGy | goes to find some more entertaining entertainment |
| 12:12.56 | teraflops | Heh |
| 12:13.02 | rozie | control |
| 12:13.14 | fommil | SynrGy: well, I told you I'd rather talk about Debian source builds not scala ;-) |
| 12:13.16 | fommil | you were warned |
| 12:13.45 | fommil | rozie: in the debian folder somewhere? |
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| 12:14.23 | fommil | found them, I forgot my grep was being interpreted as a regex. doh! |
| 12:15.14 | antena-cli | Sorry, I asked this but I didn't get the answer because my cinnamon-screensaver crashed the system. So how can I take a screenshot of my lock screen? |
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| 12:16.26 | fommil | antena-cli: time delay on a screen grabber maybe? |
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| 12:17.41 | antena-cli | Good idea! I'll try sudo sh -c 'sleep 5s; xwd -display :0 -root | convert - screenshot.png' |
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| 12:19.10 | fommil | I use scrot, but you've just made me look at how I use that and I have no idea how it works. Must be a build in command in xmonad |
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| 12:22.06 | fommil | meh, openjdk6 fails due to some freetype problem. I'll just use oracle's JDK, which is a shame. It's one of the very few non-free packages I have to use. |
| 12:22.22 | fommil | and would have been nice to get it working on our CI farm as well |
| 12:23.59 | fommil | anyway, thanks for all the help! |
| 12:25.44 | SynrGy | fommil: in real life, my job is working with legacy systems, where daily i have to struggle with "how do i get this old crap to work that nobody uses anymore?" so, excuse me for my cold reaction :p |
| 12:25.52 | SynrGy | fommil: and best of luck |
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| 12:27.08 | fommil | SynrGy yeah, everyone hates the scala team for still depending on JDK6. It's news to most developers in the field, but for core developers it really sucks. |
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| 12:28.38 | SynrGy | fommil: for me, it's OpenVMS |
| 12:28.49 | SynrGy | anyway, sorry, OT. #debian-offtopic for more in this vein :) |
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| 12:35.09 | nilekada | Hello. Just dist-upgraded my Debian Jessie install to testing |
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| 12:35.40 | nilekada | Now I can't see my Fedora 23 installation in the GRUB menu |
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| 12:35.55 | nilekada | What do I do? |
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| 12:36.09 | abrotman | is osprober installed? what happens when you run update-grub? |
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| 12:36.32 | nilekada | os-prober is part of the packages installed yes |
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| 12:36.55 | nilekada | However it only saw a Windows installation on the same disk, not the fedora |
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| 12:37.15 | SynrGy | is it installed on some exotic filesystem? |
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| 12:37.45 | SynrGy | os-prober should be able to enumerate all the OSes, but if it can't see it, obviously it won't be able to do anything with it ... |
| 12:38.13 | SynrGy | i.e. debian needs to be able to do something with the device & partition fedora is on |
| 12:38.32 | nilekada | SynrGy, Fedora is a LVM on LUKS install |
| 12:38.44 | nilekada | Does that have something to do with it? |
| 12:38.46 | SynrGy | and did you give debian permission to decrypt it? |
| 12:38.54 | SynrGy | if not, os-prober will fail |
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| 12:39.29 | nilekada | SynrGy, no I haven't |
| 12:39.39 | nilekada | Didn't realize that was necessary |
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| 12:39.46 | SynrGy | well, that's how os-prober works ... |
| 12:39.49 | nilekada | How do I do that? |
| 12:39.54 | grawity | it can't probe disks it can't read >_> |
| 12:40.02 | SynrGy | it looks at things, determines what they are, and adds stuff to grub menu based on what it finds ... |
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| 12:40.09 | SynrGy | obviously isn't going to work if it can't decrypt it :) |
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| 12:40.22 | SynrGy | i'm no expert with LUKS. consult the doc |
| 12:40.34 | nilekada | grawity, ah well. Okay. Guess I'll work on the Fedora end. |
| 12:40.35 | DoctorD90 | ? |
| 12:40.39 | blind | Doesn't os-prober look at the /boot volume, which is typically not encrypted? |
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| 12:40.44 | nilekada | Thanks guys |
| 12:40.58 | DoctorD90 | ah...doc-umentation, not doc..lol |
| 12:41.04 | nilekada | blind, yes. /boot is unencrypted |
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| 12:43.22 | DoctorD90 | nilekada, /boot, with grub2, belong my knowledge, can be crypted |
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| 12:44.00 | nilekada | DoctorD90, the installer refused to encrypt /boot |
| 12:44.12 | SynrGy | nilekada: if it's not encrypted, i guess the next thing to look at is lvm |
| 12:44.32 | SynrGy | and we're talking about the /boot for *fedora*, right? |
| 12:44.37 | nilekada | So Fedora's /boot partition is unencrypted as far as I know. Unless it magically did it by itself |
| 12:44.40 | SynrGy | k |
| 12:44.43 | nilekada | SynrGy, yes we are |
| 12:44.51 | DoctorD90 | nilekada, not during install. Later I mean :) |
| 12:45.03 | SynrGy | so then, provided debian can deal with lvm, it should be visible |
| 12:45.29 | DoctorD90 | o0 sorry...but why do you ask here about fedora? XD .... does not exist #fedora? XD |
| 12:46.05 | SynrGy | DoctorD90: it's a debian question |
| 12:46.32 | SynrGy | DoctorD90: since you're late chiming in, the question is, "why is fedora not in Debian's grub boot menu after i dist-upgraded jessie?" (paraphrasing) |
| 12:46.52 | DoctorD90 | aaaaa...sorry :P ok :D |
| 12:46.59 | SynrGy | er, dist-upgraded jessie -> testing |
| 12:47.21 | DoctorD90 | i know your total knowledge and polite :D so i thougth you was helping him :) sorry |
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| 12:47.44 | SynrGy | also, the latter may be relevant ... |
| 12:48.04 | SynrGy | nilekada: this may be a stretch-specific issue. we support testing/unstable on #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 12:48.41 | SynrGy | nilekada: can i assume that when you were on jessie, it found and added fedora to grub's boot menu just fine? |
| 12:48.57 | nilekada | DoctorD90, never did encryption of /boot after installation |
| 12:49.31 | nilekada | SynrGy, nope |
| 12:49.43 | DoctorD90 | nilekada, wait...i find out on arch wiki. I have never tried it btw |
| 12:49.45 | nebg | hello everyone... can somebody explain me when i need a device tree ? are they needed only for arm or is the future for everything and why ? |
| 12:49.59 | SynrGy | nilekada: oh. it was broken on jessie? |
| 12:50.07 | nilekada | I installed Fedora and before the dist-upgrade it was the Fedora GRUB menu that was working |
| 12:50.12 | SynrGy | aha |
| 12:50.24 | SynrGy | so you opted to have debian take over grub |
| 12:50.36 | nilekada | Not really. It just did :P |
| 12:50.53 | SynrGy | without prompting? that's ... unexpected |
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| 12:51.20 | SynrGy | or maybe you had previously told debian to use its own grub and in the upgrade it reinstated your prior choice |
| 12:51.30 | nilekada | Well I swear SynrGy I would never give you a headache. |
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| 12:51.33 | SynrGy | (i.e. in the interim, you installed fedora and "took over" without telling debian) |
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| 12:51.42 | nilekada | SynrGy, yes. |
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| 12:51.53 | SynrGy | ok. then i can see debian re-asserting its control |
| 12:52.03 | SynrGy | are you happy with that situation? |
| 12:52.11 | SynrGy | you don't want to be ping-ponging between grubs ... |
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| 12:52.17 | SynrGy | decide deliberately which OS will have control |
| 12:52.21 | nilekada | Nope. I use Fedora as much as I use Debian. |
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| 12:52.49 | DoctorD90 | nilekada, SynrGy https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Encrypted_boot_partition_.28GRUB.29 |
| 12:52.53 | SynrGy | then one solution, if Fedora automatically figures out grub's menu entries successfully, is to tell Debian "no, don't install grub" and redo it in Fedora |
| 12:53.00 | DoctorD90 | BUT I HAVE NEVER TRIED..... |
| 12:53.06 | nilekada | I would rather have Fedora. Simply because Fedora can see Debian but Debian can't see Fedora |
| 12:53.06 | SynrGy | DoctorD90: off-topic? but interesting for another time ... |
| 12:53.24 | DoctorD90 | SynrGy, nilekada doesnt ask about encrypt /boot? |
| 12:53.29 | SynrGy | Debian can't see Fedora at all? or just with respect to os-prober? |
| 12:53.37 | DoctorD90 | 0o ....or my eyes goes to *** xD ? |
| 12:53.58 | SynrGy | DoctorD90: no, that's a tangent you brought up. maybe nilekada was being polite |
| 12:54.20 | SynrGy | i haven't reviewed the full log ... |
| 12:54.21 | DoctorD90 | ....ok....sorry for my disturb in that case! sorry |
| 12:54.52 | SynrGy | so far as i know, we're just solving "with unencrypted /boot, lvm and LUKS, why can't Debian's update-grub (via os-prober) see Fedora?" |
| 12:55.23 | nilekada | SynrGy, let me see if the partition can be mounted |
| 12:55.27 | SynrGy | or else "what alternative solution to making sure the system boots with all OSes visible can we come up with?" |
| 12:55.35 | SynrGy | k |
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| 12:57.55 | SynrGy | i wonder if os-prober might also need some things from /etc to fully determine and label whatever it finds ... |
| 12:58.35 | SynrGy | is /boot on lvm? maybe this is a problem |
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| 13:01.02 | nilekada | SynrGy, /boot is not on lvm; ironically it's the only partition visible from Fedora's partitions |
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| 13:01.17 | nilekada | The encrypted partitions don't show at all. |
| 13:01.30 | SynrGy | ok. and is the system efi? |
| 13:01.44 | SynrGy | just trying to enumerate all the possible weirdnesses |
| 13:01.44 | nilekada | Nope legacy BIOS |
| 13:01.45 | SynrGy | k |
| 13:01.53 | nilekada | SynrGy, I do understand |
| 13:02.03 | SynrGy | how'd the mount testing go? |
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| 13:02.28 | nilekada | Like I said only /boot is visible in the file manager |
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| 13:02.46 | SynrGy | ah. missed that |
| 13:03.07 | SynrGy | so i'm back to wondering if it's true that "os-prober only reads /boot" |
| 13:03.11 | SynrGy | i'd like confirmation of that |
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| 13:03.41 | nilekada | SynrGy, I rerun os-prober to see? |
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| 13:04.52 | MaBunny | markybob: you there? |
| 13:04.57 | nilekada | Reran os-prober. Still only sees Windows |
| 13:05.05 | nilekada | SynrGy, ^^ |
| 13:06.38 | MaBunny | markybob: i think my computer has become affected |
| 13:07.11 | Sir_Designer | affected? as in it talks to you in 133t? |
| 13:07.13 | MaBunny | i was previously having trouble for the past 3 hours on logging on to freenode |
| 13:08.19 | SynrGy | nilekada: can we make it more verbose? find out why it doesn't see it? |
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| 13:08.33 | MaBunny | it asked me to connect to this webpage: eu1.dronebl.org/lookup_branded.do?ip=117.194.202.127 |
| 13:09.00 | MaBunny | you can talk with the guys at #freenode |
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| 13:11.16 | dfarn | Goodday |
| 13:11.25 | dfarn | I'm looking for a place to buy debian stickers |
| 13:11.33 | dfarn | Any official outlet, that will support the project? |
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| 13:12.48 | heiko | hello |
| 13:13.09 | heiko | how can i make debian packgages from mesa master git ? |
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| 13:16.07 | awal1 | MaBunny, try enabling "accept no signed/self/unofficial certificates" (I dont remember the exact word) in servers config in your irc client and see if that enables you to connect to freenode. |
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| 13:16.49 | nilekada | SynrGy, will do |
| 13:17.03 | nilekada | Lemme look at the man page first |
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| 13:18.23 | nilekada | SynrGy, unfortunately I can't. os-prober doesn't seem to have a -h or --help option |
| 13:18.27 | MaBunny | no, i hav done undoing what had happened in my computer for the last 1 day |
| 13:18.33 | MaBunny | like formatting it, |
| 13:18.51 | MaBunny | but i want to make sure if this doesnt occur again |
| 13:19.22 | SynrGy | nilekada: seems like /usr/share/doc/os-prober/README is all the doc we have |
| 13:19.23 | awal1 | I have had similar issue and I had to enable that for be able to connect to freenode. and dont worry too much, you won't be affected by anything if you have not opened any weird third party executable stuff as root..., , MaBunny |
| 13:19.47 | MaBunny | ok,ill remember tht |
| 13:20.17 | awal1 | mtm, is another story, but you have some tools for be aware of that |
| 13:20.18 | nilekada | SynrGy, lemme go look at that |
| 13:20.23 | MaBunny | i presently hav "ask for confirmation" as the option when accepting any file in hexchat |
| 13:20.48 | awal1 | you should , yeah |
| 13:20.51 | SynrGy | nilekada: i read it and ... was not enlightened :( |
| 13:21.05 | awal1 | thats a basic prevention |
| 13:21.13 | SynrGy | nilekada: examination of the scripts may help |
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| 13:22.20 | nilekada | SynrGy, guess I should run linux-boot-prober. |
| 13:22.29 | nilekada | From what the docs say. |
| 13:23.14 | nilekada | And where would I find the scripts? |
| 13:23.49 | heiko | how can i make debian packgages from mesa master git ? |
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| 13:24.12 | spleen | Hello all, |
| 13:24.25 | spleen | how can i change location for logs with systeml ? |
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| 13:26.06 | MaBunny | awal1: what else should i do? |
| 13:27.02 | nilekada | SynrGy, output of linux-boot-prober: https://paste.kde.org/pcvg5yrpj |
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| 13:45.16 | hassoon | evening |
| 13:45.26 | hanshenrik_ | the f are you doing here |
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| 13:45.46 | hassoon | what the heck is this 'compose key' about you guys |
| 13:45.49 | hassoon | i've been asked about it in the sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 13:45.53 | hassoon | here it is https://i.imgur.com/8Ru2bop.png |
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| 13:46.37 | ceptor | hassoon, Compose allows you to combine different letters into one. e.g. o + ` = ò |
| 13:47.17 | hassoon | ceptor: but the o will jet printed one my finger touches the key , how come ? :o |
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| 13:48.43 | hassoon | * will get * |
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| 14:00.08 | colo-work | hassoon, not if you press your compose key right before you press o |
| 14:00.23 | jackweb | Hello. I use Debian testing (stretch). I have a problem with flickering screen. Following paste describes my hardware: http://paste.debian.net/418725/ My question is: what should i do in order to get rid of the flickering screen? My idea is to downgrade the kernel or drivers, but when I downgraded the kernel to 3.16, the X11 couldn't load properly... What steps should I do to stop flickering? I checked |
| 14:00.29 | jackweb | the screen under Ubuntu 14.10 run from USB Driver - there was an older kernel and it was ok... |
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| 14:02.24 | mabunny | guys my swap isnt working |
| 14:03.05 | MaBunny | i had formatted my debian yesterday |
| 14:03.19 | MaBunny | and then after tht i reinstalled it |
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| 14:03.45 | MaBunny | but on reinstallation i remember i hadnt set the boot flag on in the swap |
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| 14:04.05 | MaBunny | is there a way to make the boot flag on in the swap from the terminal? |
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| 14:06.19 | mtn_ | MaBunny: swap does not need a boot flag. you can use swapon to turn it on. make sure your fstab entry is correct so it is there next boot |
| 14:07.10 | MaBunny | what do you mean by swapon? |
| 14:07.21 | jackweb | swapon /dev/sdX1 or sth |
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| 14:07.32 | MaBunny | oh |
| 14:07.33 | hassoon | man swapon MaBunny |
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| 14:10.11 | MaBunny | how do i make my fstabentry correct? |
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| 14:11.39 | MaBunny | * fstab entry |
| 14:12.37 | jackweb | /dev/... swap swap defaults 0 0 |
| 14:12.56 | jackweb | in /etc/fstab of course |
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| 14:17.34 | MaBunny | i had /swap not on sync |
| 14:17.50 | MaBunny | what is the command to make it swap? |
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| 14:18.06 | MaBunny | the device is /dev/sdb6 |
| 14:18.36 | jackweb | have you already run: swapon /dev/sdb6 ? |
| 14:18.55 | MaBunny | it says swapon not there |
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| 14:19.22 | jackweb | sorry! mkswap /dev/sdb6 |
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| 14:21.58 | MaBunny | i typed umount /dev/sdb6 |
| 14:22.07 | MaBunny | but now how do i mount it? |
| 14:22.17 | MaBunny | its not there when i type df -h |
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| 14:24.09 | dvs | MaBunny, you don't mount swap, you activate it with swapon. It should show up with the free command. |
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| 14:25.09 | MaBunny | it says this: swapon: /swap: insecure permissions 0755, 0600 suggested. |
| 14:25.09 | MaBunny | swapon: /swap: read swap header failed |
| 14:26.21 | mtn_ | MaBunny: read this: https://wiki.debian.org/Swap |
| 14:26.30 | mtn_ | MaBunny: the wiki also has a section of fstab |
| 14:26.36 | MaBunny | will restarting my system help? |
| 14:26.49 | mtn_ | MaBunny: no, you have to correct your errors first |
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| 14:47.39 | Ooze | Why do I get updates via Package Updater that I'm not receiving with 'apt-get update'? |
| 14:47.59 | Ooze | At first I thought it might just be UI stuff, but it doesn't look like it |
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| 14:53.12 | MaBunny | Hey guys |
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| 14:53.42 | MaBunny | I had umount /swap when my computer was on |
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| 14:53.56 | MaBunny | And now its not showing swap |
| 14:54.31 | MaBunny | I am in the recovery journal now |
| 14:55.06 | MaBunny | I am trying to put mount /swap but it isnt working |
| 14:55.18 | rozie | what are you trying to recover? |
| 14:55.38 | rozie | well, it should mount automatically on next boot |
| 14:55.54 | rozie | I assume you have /etc/fstab entry for swap |
| 14:56.18 | MaBunny | It says not found UUID=790... |
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| 14:56.52 | MaBunny | Prevly I tried putting swapon -s /swap |
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| 14:56.56 | rozie | use blkid to get UUID |
| 14:57.09 | MaBunny | But it didnt work |
| 14:57.38 | rozie | also man mkswap |
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| 14:58.14 | Ooze | Anyone have a response for me?? |
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| 14:59.38 | MaBunny | How do i use blkid? |
| 15:00.02 | MaBunny | I tried typing blkid -L ext4 |
| 15:00.44 | greycat | Are you perhaps looking for lsblk? |
| 15:00.53 | MaBunny | Idk !!!! |
| 15:00.58 | greycat | What are you trying to do? |
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| 15:01.29 | MaBunny | My device /swap is not getting loaded on boot |
| 15:01.51 | greycat | /swap is not a valid disk device |
| 15:01.58 | MaBunny | It also doesnt show up when i type df -h |
| 15:02.08 | greycat | swap partitions are not mounted, so they would not appear in df |
| 15:02.23 | MaBunny | It showed when i opened my debian first |
| 15:02.33 | greycat | If you want to see what swap partitions are active, use swapon (with no arguments) |
| 15:02.36 | MaBunny | B4 i typed umount /swap |
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| 15:02.49 | greycat | Swap partitions are not mounted on directories. |
| 15:03.23 | MaBunny | I want to make /swap load first,then make it a swap partition |
| 15:03.41 | MaBunny | When i mount /swap |
| 15:03.49 | greycat | You DO NOT MOUNT a swap partition! |
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| 15:03.53 | MaBunny | It gives an error |
| 15:04.13 | TomTomTosch | did you try swapon as greycat suggested? |
| 15:04.14 | MaBunny | But it doesnt show /swap at all too |
| 15:04.21 | greycat | THERE IS NO /swap |
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| 15:04.27 | MaBunny | Yes i tried swapon |
| 15:04.41 | MaBunny | swapon -s /swap |
| 15:04.48 | TomTomTosch | wat |
| 15:04.49 | greycat | what the fuck are you doing |
| 15:05.01 | greycat | Are you making a swap FILE instead of a swap PARTITION? |
| 15:05.01 | MaBunny | Idk |
| 15:05.46 | greycat | What is the name of the disk device you are trying to activate for swap? |
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| 15:06.19 | MaBunny | Its /swap |
| 15:06.23 | greycat | No it's not. |
| 15:06.32 | colo-work | MaBunny, ls -l /swap |
| 15:06.36 | colo-work | gives what? |
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| 15:07.07 | bluefives | if my home dir is encrypted should typing ecryptfsd in my terminal do something? |
| 15:07.12 | MaBunny | It gives: totalc0 |
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| 15:07.22 | MaBunny | * total 0 |
| 15:07.31 | colo-work | MaBunny, that cannot be everything. |
| 15:07.35 | colo-work | or |
| 15:07.37 | colo-work | it's a directory |
| 15:07.39 | colo-work | hehe |
| 15:07.43 | greycat | That means (s)he created a directory and there is nothing in it. |
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| 15:07.49 | MaBunny | Ok |
| 15:07.50 | greycat | SWAP HAS **NOTHING** TO DO WITH DIRECTORIES |
| 15:07.55 | greycat | YOU DO NOT MOUNT SWAP |
| 15:07.58 | han-solo | can't get wget to download all the images from a website :( |
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| 15:08.08 | bluefives | Folks? |
| 15:08.15 | greycat | What is the name of the DISK DEVICE you are trying to use for swap? |
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| 15:08.21 | greycat | E.g. /dev/sda3 |
| 15:08.29 | MaBunny | But i want to mount the directory named /swap |
| 15:08.37 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 15:08.40 | MaBunny | Its /dev/sdb6 |
| 15:08.46 | greycat | Cannot be helped. |
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| 15:09.40 | TomTomTosch | MaBunny, did you do swapon without options like greycat suggested? |
| 15:09.40 | Syco54645 | hello, having an issue. running wheezy in a production environment but need a newer vesion of curl for php (paypal is requiring it now). is there a backport of curl 7.34 that i can install? |
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| 15:10.11 | MaBunny | Yes,i tried typing swapon without options |
| 15:10.24 | MaBunny | It didnt give anything |
| 15:10.25 | greycat | ,v curl |
| 15:10.26 | judd | Package: curl on amd64 -- squeeze: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze8; squeeze-security-lts: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze12; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 7.38.0-4+deb8u3; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u3; stretch: 7.47.0-1; sid: 7.47.0-1 |
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| 15:10.39 | rozie | MaBunny: do you have fstab entry for swap? |
| 15:10.43 | greycat | I don't see it in wheezy-backports there. |
| 15:11.06 | rozie | !swap |
| 15:11.07 | dpkg | Swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM (say, less than 2GB), you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a <swap file> and use that. See also <am i swapping>. http://wiki.debian.org/Swap http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Linux |
| 15:11.09 | MaBunny | Yes i hav a fstab entry |
| 15:11.12 | dirkk | Hi, what's the difference between Wheezy and Jessie distr. Wheezy is running on my Beaglebone Black. |
| 15:11.15 | rozie | MaBunny: ^^ |
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| 15:13.04 | greycat | Wheezy is Debian version 7, and Jessie is Debian version 8. About 2 years of new stuff between them. |
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| 15:14.18 | rozie | dirkk: you should take a look on release notes |
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| 15:15.49 | dirkk | Thanks greycat. rozie |
| 15:16.54 | rozie | https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian |
| 15:16.59 | Ooze | Why do I get updates via Package Updater that I'm not receiving with 'apt-get update'? |
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| 15:17.15 | rozie | dirkk: you can see main packages difference here |
| 15:17.22 | greycat | apt-get update doesn't actually install anything. It just retrieves a new list. |
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| 15:21.43 | g00se | "sudo: vpnclient start: command not found" Why do i get that when "which vpnclient" gives /home/goose/vpnclient/vpnclient |
| 15:22.12 | greycat | because sudo changes PATH |
| 15:22.24 | greycat | if you want to run something in a nonstandard location like that, give the full path |
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| 15:23.12 | g00se | root@t410:/tmp# which vpnclient |
| 15:23.12 | g00se | /home/goose/vpnclient/vpnclient |
| 15:23.28 | greycat | Give the full path in the sudo command. |
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| 15:23.58 | g00se | You mean it even changes root's PATH? |
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| 15:24.17 | greycat | What you are perceiving as "root's PATH" is set by root's *shell* after sudo launches said shell. |
| 15:24.33 | greycat | But when you do sudo a_command there is no shell launched, and therefore no shell modifications to PATH. |
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| 15:25.04 | han-solo | is there any way to get all the images from a website? |
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| 15:25.05 | g00se | OK. I altered root/.bashrc |
| 15:25.19 | han-solo | i tried wget -r -A jpeg,jpg,png,gif url |
| 15:25.31 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ sudo env | grep ^PATH= |
| 15:25.32 | greycat | PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 15:25.39 | han-solo | it's just not doing the job |
| 15:25.39 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ sudo bash -c 'echo "$PATH"' |
| 15:25.40 | greycat | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 15:25.44 | greycat | See the differenced? |
| 15:26.02 | greycat | Err... damn it. That wasn't a good demonstration. |
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| 15:26.41 | greycat | goes back to just repeating the answer over and over and over until people stop ignoring it |
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| 15:26.46 | greycat | Give the full path in the sudo command. |
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| 15:28.04 | g00se | greycat: Got it thanks ;) |
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| 15:41.46 | vl420 | is fwts available for debian jessie? |
| 15:43.08 | Brigo | vl420, fwts? |
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| 15:43.30 | vl420 | Brigo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirmwareTestSuite |
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| 15:43.34 | greycat | I googled it. The word ubuntu appears all over the page. |
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| 15:44.06 | greycat | No sign of it in apt-cache search. |
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| 15:45.30 | Brigo | vl420, not yet, but there is a RFP: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=748783 |
| 15:45.31 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/748783 in wnpp (open): «RFP: fwts -- firmware test suite PC firmware. It is intended to identify BIOS and ACPI errors and if appropriate it will try to explain the errors and give advice to help workaround or fix firmware bugs. It is primarily intended to be a Linux-centric firmware troubleshooting tool.»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-05-20; last modified: 2015-12-27. |
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| 15:48.01 | sylv92 | zizi |
| 15:48.13 | vl420 | Brigo, greycat, judd : Has any of you guys used/tested fwts on debian jessie? |
| 15:48.32 | greycat | obviously not, since I'd never heard of it until 7 minutes ago |
| 15:48.42 | sylv92 | hell world |
| 15:48.50 | Brigo | vl420, i had never heard of it untill now :) |
| 15:49.00 | vl420 | greycat, would you? ;) |
| 15:49.03 | greycat | and judd won't answer english conversations |
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| 15:50.30 | vl420 | Brigo, would you install and test it? ;) |
| 15:50.33 | np_ | howdy |
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| 15:54.19 | Brigo | vl420, don't think so, not really interested in firmware just now :) |
| 15:54.49 | Brigo | vl420, nowadays you always can create a container or a VM for testing it. |
| 15:55.31 | vl420 | Brigo, have you updated your BIOS on GNU/Linux, i mean using only GN/Linux and without a floppy disk |
| 15:55.49 | Brigo | vl420, no, never. |
| 15:56.12 | vl420 | Brigo, a container or a VM on a standalone Pentium IV PC? |
| 15:56.39 | jelly | vl420: no need to focus on specific helpers and highlight them. Ask the whole channel. |
| 15:56.59 | Brigo | vl420, it could be, at least a container, but i think you can't check firmware because you can't access hardware. |
| 15:57.39 | np_ | acpitool -b is showing the correct information about my battery, but there is no BAT0 in /proc/acpi, so conky isn't displaying my battery info. does anyone know how to correct this? |
| 15:57.45 | vl420 | Has anyone here used/tested fwts on debian jessie? |
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| 15:58.31 | vl420 | has anyone here updated your BIOS on GNU/Linux, i mean using only GNU/Linux Debian and without a floppy disk |
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| 15:59.35 | greycat | That would depend entirely on the hardware in question. You almost always have to boot from a floppy, or a FreeDOS installation, or something. |
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| 15:59.57 | vl420 | has anyone here updated your BIOS on GNU/Linux? i mean using only GNU/Linux Debian and without a floppy disk. i want to update my Pentium IV PC's bios |
| 16:00.06 | greycat | STOP IT!!! |
| 16:00.11 | greycat | GAH!! *plonk* |
| 16:00.28 | greycat | !repeat |
| 16:00.29 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 16:00.52 | vl420 | it was not the same question, i added some extra info |
| 16:01.25 | greycat | "or you didn't even wait 3 minutes for someone to finish typing" |
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| 16:02.08 | Hello71 | also, "Pentium IV" |
| 16:02.35 | vl420 | yes! Pentium IV desktop PC |
| 16:02.37 | Hello71 | did you install Debian VIII on that |
| 16:02.43 | vl420 | yesd |
| 16:02.51 | greycat | I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 16:03.16 | greycat | Jessie RAM requirement shot up from 64 MB to 80 MB. |
| 16:03.44 | vl420 | Pentium IV, 768MB RAM, 40 GB HD |
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| 16:04.16 | vl420 | 768MB is way more than 80MB RAM |
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| 16:06.18 | vl420 | greycat, Hello71 : you probably have the money to have recent hardware but i am trying to survive the crisis in Spain! |
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| 16:07.57 | greycat | Sorry, I meant LXIV MB to LXXX MB. |
| 16:09.18 | TomTomTosch | to be fair, pentium 4 was the first one that didn't use roman numerals x) |
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| 16:12.18 | TomTomTosch | vl420, you can use an ubuntu live cd to use fwts though. |
| 16:13.05 | vl420 | TomTomTosch, have you done it yourself? |
| 16:13.24 | TomTomTosch | nope. |
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| 16:14.13 | TomTomTosch | you will have better chances asking the ubuntu people. |
| 16:14.34 | Walakea | firmware: failed to load .... rtl_nic .... (-2) |
| 16:14.47 | Walakea | most probably my wifi driver |
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| 16:15.28 | Walakea | i have manually installed it tho, but i would rather to have this package working |
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| 16:25.15 | jackweb | Hello. I use debian testing and experience screen flickering in some programs under X11 (in i.e. gvim, gnome-terminal). here you can find more details http://paste.debian.net/418725/ i think that it is caused by new kernel's (4.4) driver i915. i don't know what to do to get rid of that flickering. is it possible to downgrade kernel to i.e. 4.1 under Debian stretch? |
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| 16:30.12 | STMelon | one more nick group, i am not a bot.. |
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| 16:31.51 | TomTomTosch | !debian-next |
| 16:31.52 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:31.59 | TomTomTosch | jackweb ^ |
| 16:32.15 | jackweb | TomTomTosch: thanks, i'll try there |
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| 16:33.09 | TomTomTosch | Walakea, what does lspci -nn say about your device? |
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| 16:51.21 | spacebison | So the release version of ice weasel is now gone, replaced with firefox. Should I uninstall iceweasel before installing firefox? http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 16:52.48 | paolo43 | hi |
| 16:52.53 | Walakea | which disk flags can improve performance and avoid pointell read/writes? (like noatime) |
| 16:53.11 | somiaj | spacebison: I think the packages live side by side, but the old iceweasel package will have security holes and should probabaly be removed |
| 16:53.24 | paolo43 | anyone knows how to boot vlc by command line on Android? |
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| 16:53.48 | somiaj | paolo43: what does this have to do with #debian, you should probabaly find an andriod support channel |
| 16:53.53 | vl420 | a friend gave me a Pentium 4 and i installed jessie on it. it has a |
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| 16:56.04 | vl420 | a friend gave me a Pentium 4 and i installed jessie on it. it has an ath5k chipset wireless pci card which worked OK on the MS XP he was using on the PC before he gave it to me. The wireless PCI card on jessie works a day in a day out. |
| 16:56.57 | vl420 | when it does not, i get ath5k: phy0: failed to wakeup the MAC Chip . how can i solve that problem to make the ath5k work in a stable manner? |
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| 16:58.20 | yutol | Hi guys. I-m trying to install Debian 8 alongside with windows 10. The installation goes fine but when I boot in CSM mode there is a black screen saying Missing OS. After a little while it says insert boot usb. Any hint? |
| 16:58.55 | Walakea | is there a simple way to make snapshots of a running OS and potentially be able to restore it without needing an external OS? (the simplest i know so far should be LVM) |
| 16:59.18 | yutol | the pc is a Toshiba Satelite |
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| 17:01.42 | vl420 | the statutory 3 minutes have passed ;) |
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| 17:01.57 | ChrisWi | struggeling a little bit with networking ... hopefully someone is able to help ... |
| 17:02.21 | abrotman | you'll need to ask your actual question |
| 17:02.27 | ChrisWi | having a interface config like that 'http://pastie.org/10773579' |
| 17:02.48 | greycat | whhhyyyyy |
| 17:03.21 | ChrisWi | now what is the prefered way to stop and start an interface that I can check if the 'routes' and 'rules' are correctly add and removed ? |
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| 17:04.24 | greycat | ifdown name; ifup name |
| 17:06.03 | ChrisWi | greycat: thanks ... but when I try 'ifup xenbr1' then I get 'device xenbr1 already exists; can't create bridge with the same name' so this seems not to be correct ... |
| 17:06.24 | greycat | If anything other than /etc/network/interfaces is involved, then I'm out. |
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| 17:07.02 | ChrisWi | greycat: there is nothing other than '/etc/network/interfaces' involved |
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| 17:12.41 | swift110-phone | Hey |
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| 17:16.29 | vl420 | still having a hard time with networking ... hopefully someone might be able to help ... |
| 17:16.36 | vl420 | a friend gave me a Pentium 4 and i installed jessie on it. it has an ath5k chipset wireless pci card which worked OK on the MS XP he was using on the PC before he gave it to me. The wireless PCI card on jessie works a day in a day out. |
| 17:16.41 | vl420 | when it does not, i get ath5k: phy0: failed to wakeup the MAC Chip . how can i solve that problem to make the ath5k work in a stable manner? |
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| 17:18.26 | torpet | So is anybody else suffering from backport-OCD-upgradophilia? |
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| 17:19.06 | somiaj | what do you mean? |
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| 17:20.55 | torpet | I have just upgraded 50 packages on a working installation |
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| 17:20.58 | torpet | to backports |
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| 17:22.04 | somiaj | torpet: libreoffice was a big collection that recentally went from 5.0 to 5.1 in backports. |
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| 17:22.26 | somiaj | torpet: though if you are worried about backports upgrading maybe you shoudln't be runnign them. Backports shoudln't be installed by default. |
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| 17:24.02 | greycat | torpet: what's your question? |
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| 17:24.31 | torpet | somiaj, i installed a handful of backports i needed some time ago. but it turns out some libraries they depend on also have been upgraded in the backports tree. now i decided it was a smart idea to also upgrade those libraries, even though the packages did not explicitely state that |
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| 17:25.15 | somiaj | torpet: I woudln't upgrade to backports unless you have an explicit need and in that case don't upgrade libaries that don't need to be upgraded to run the backports |
| 17:25.41 | greycat | I don't think that's what he's asking. |
| 17:25.47 | somiaj | torpet: the backports should be compiled against jessie libaries for the most part. |
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| 17:26.18 | greycat | I think he's saying "I installed backport package A, and it brought in backport library B, and I upgraded A, but I am wondering whether I should upgrade B too." |
| 17:26.19 | torpet | somiaj, i know what you mean, which is the practice i followed up until today. |
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| 17:28.50 | torpet | another example is libreoffice because you mentioned it. it needs fonts-opensymbol, which is also available in backports, but not necessarily needed. |
| 17:28.57 | torpet | i didnt |
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| 17:29.39 | torpet | so i'm unsure whether new libs would provide a better experience. |
| 17:29.51 | somiaj | The choice is up to you, just realize backports are not tested as well and don't recive security support from the security team (though many times the matainer will upload a newbackport with security issues) |
| 17:30.02 | greycat | No, the whole point is to *avoid* bringing in new libraries whenever possible, to minimize breakage. |
| 17:30.19 | somiaj | I would say stick with stable/jessie libs unless there is a feature you know you are missing and need the newer libary. |
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| 17:30.40 | jackcom | how can i know disk usage? |
| 17:31.00 | DoctorD90 | du or df |
| 17:31.04 | DoctorD90 | jackcom, ^^^ |
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| 17:31.10 | torpet | greycat, OK, that makes a lot of sense. I will unroll my upgrade then. |
| 17:31.12 | somiaj | df -h is what I use |
| 17:31.38 | jackcom | du command show me many thing |
| 17:31.40 | somiaj | torpet: i.e. if the libreoffice in jessie fits your needs and you don't need any of the new features in 5.1 from backports, maybe sticking with 4.x form jessie is preferable. |
| 17:31.47 | jackcom | thanks somiaj |
| 17:31.48 | torpet | I am maintaining this jessie installation for my parents in two different locations by the way, and i am tired of syncing installations. Is there some elegant way to sync package installations? |
| 17:31.50 | jackcom | :) |
| 17:32.01 | somiaj | !aptitude clone |
| 17:32.01 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
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| 17:32.38 | somiaj | torpet: you can also use dpkg --get-selections and other methods. Unsure about ways to keep things synced (unless using some tool like puppet) but there are ways to export/compare package lists |
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| 17:35.25 | torpet | somiaj, thanks. i will look into it. |
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| 17:37.06 | dontknow | debian stable is so boring. works as expected |
| 17:38.02 | vl420 | inserted the ath5k wireless pci card in a different pci slot but the issue remains the same, can anyone help me? |
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| 17:39.25 | somiaj | vl420: what is the issue? |
| 17:40.10 | jmcnaught | vl420: there's a https://wiki.debian.org/ath5k page, it looks like there are a few unsupported cards you can check by pciid ("lspci -nn | grep -i net") should get you that |
| 17:40.52 | jmcnaught | though, maybe it wouldn't work at all for those cards |
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| 17:45.00 | torpet | somiaj, if i install via -t jessie-backports, do packages still prefer the jessie libraries_ |
| 17:45.25 | greycat | They use whatever the dependencies say to use. |
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| 17:45.34 | torpet | if the dependecy string of the package itself only says "libxyz" and not pin a specific version i mean |
| 17:45.44 | greycat | If a dependency can be satisfied by jessie (not -backports) then it will be. |
| 17:45.56 | torpet | ok, is that governed by the pin priority? |
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| 17:46.07 | somiaj | torpet: no, this is one thing that could be cleaned up. -t jessie-backports pins jessie-backports at 999, so if a new libary needs to be installed and it is in jessie-backports it will pull it from there, but if the libary is already installed and dosen't have to be upgraded, it won't upgraded it. |
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| 17:46.22 | greycat | ah |
| 17:46.37 | somiaj | greycat: are you sure, once jessie-backports is pinned at 999 new packages will always come from backports if available (at least this is what I think) |
| 17:46.40 | torpet | somiaj, that explains why the system is a bit of a mess now |
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| 17:47.04 | torpet | what is the preferred way to install backports then? |
| 17:47.05 | greycat | is not in the habit of installing things straight from jessie-backports without already having the jessie version |
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| 17:51.59 | torpet | greycat, well some packages have different dependencies in backports |
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| 17:52.20 | greycat | Sure, that's possible. |
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| 17:53.11 | hanshenrik_ | is there some way to run the installer on a pre-installed system without a cd/dvd/usb? |
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| 17:53.31 | greycat | if it's pre-installed, why are you trying to run the installer... |
| 17:53.40 | shtrb | hanshenrik_ what does that mean ? |
| 17:53.44 | somiaj | hanshenrik_: by preinstalled, what os is being installed? |
| 17:53.46 | hanshenrik_ | cause i dont like the settings they installed it with |
| 17:53.50 | somiaj | hanshenrik_: sorry, what os is installed. |
| 17:53.58 | hanshenrik_ | debian 8.2 something is pre-installed |
| 17:54.00 | somiaj | hanshenrik_: so change the settings, they are just settings and y ou don't need to reinstall to do that. |
| 17:54.27 | hanshenrik_ | i want to switch the root system to btrfs |
| 17:54.32 | hanshenrik_ | and remove any backdoors |
| 17:54.49 | shtrb | hanshenrik_ , it would be easier just to start from a clean install then |
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| 17:54.57 | somiaj | hanshenrik_: if you think your system has been compermised then you'll want a reinstall. |
| 17:55.03 | shtrb | hanshenrik_, if you can't use media try with IPX |
| 17:55.21 | somiaj | hanshenrik_: you could use debootstrap from the current install and install on a new partition. But if your system has been compermised this may not be safe. |
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| 17:55.26 | greycat | is betting this is a VPS or something, and he has no direct access to it |
| 17:55.41 | hanshenrik_ | almost |
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| 17:55.48 | hanshenrik_ | its actually a dedicated |
| 17:55.58 | hanshenrik_ | but they wont allow me to mount my own iso files |
| 17:56.02 | somiaj | though if you don't trust the people who built the server, you maybe shoudlnt' be using their hardware. |
| 17:56.39 | shtrb | hanshenrik_, sorry you can use PXE (set up an install source ) and start your system from there |
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| 17:57.34 | slax0r | hi, when I log out from a WM or DE my screen turns off, and stays off for around 20-30 seconds, then the computer speaker beeps like for bootup, and I am presented back with the login, same happens when I shut down, only that I don't get a login, but the computer turns of after the beep, and if I switch to a TTY when in X, same thing |
| 17:57.34 | TomTomTosch | you cann do hard disk booting if you need to. |
| 17:57.48 | slax0r | and I have no idea where to start looking :/ |
| 17:58.30 | greycat | slax0r: are you sure you're hitting the "logout" button and not the "reboot" button? |
| 17:59.40 | slax0r | greycat: $mod+Shift+e = logout on i3, yes, I'm sure |
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| 18:00.08 | greycat | maybe your desktop environment takes that long to shut down and restart on that machine, then. |
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| 18:00.42 | slax0r | doubt it, because it happens on xfce as well, if I would install another it would still be the same |
| 18:01.04 | hanshenrik_ | it seems they won't allow me to customize boot settings |
| 18:01.04 | slax0r | and if that was the problem, switching to a different TTY would not yield such issues |
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| 18:01.21 | hanshenrik_ | no (direct) PXE for me :( |
| 18:01.27 | shtrb | hanshenrik_ , what are you allowed to do ? |
| 18:01.50 | shtrb | hanshenrik_ , can you play with your own grub settings ? |
| 18:01.53 | hanshenrik_ | install a bunch of pre-configured templates |
| 18:02.03 | nanotron | slax0r, are you using GDM? I'm on Debian (Stretch) with i3 as well and my logout is fine going back to GDM. Might want to try lightdm as a test. |
| 18:02.05 | hanshenrik_ | well, i can edit the grub.conf file |
| 18:02.10 | hanshenrik_ | or |
| 18:02.12 | hanshenrik_ | whatever it was called |
| 18:02.25 | slax0r | nanotron: lightdm |
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| 18:02.51 | shtrb | one option would be , download an iso , setup default to start that iso and restart |
| 18:03.09 | shtrb | the iso should be a CDD with your specific config |
| 18:03.16 | shtrb | this way even without your input it should work |
| 18:03.29 | shtrb | or just to switch to their templates .. |
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| 18:04.13 | hanshenrik_ | shtrb, i can reboot it, and i can install pre-configured templates, and i get root access, |
| 18:04.25 | hanshenrik_ | and i can edit /etc/default/grub |
| 18:04.26 | slax0r | I believe it could be more of a graphics driver |
| 18:04.35 | hanshenrik_ | but not bios settings |
| 18:04.44 | greycat | slax0r: if you're saying "Pressing Alt-F2 takes 20-30 seconds to get me to a console login" and you're sure it's not just the hardware thrashing away (hard disk light etc.) then I would focus on that symptom. |
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| 18:04.50 | slax0r | as I get grub presented normally, I choose my deb install, screen turns off, and then turns back on when I get into login manager |
| 18:04.52 | greycat | err, Ctrl-Alt-F2 I mean |
| 18:05.14 | hanshenrik_ | can i tell grub to boot from some external PXE server? :D |
| 18:05.18 | slax0r | greycat: not only takes 20-30 seconds, there is even a bootup beep |
| 18:05.23 | slax0r | and the computer doesn't reboot |
| 18:05.34 | slax0r | because when I switch back to X all my windows are still open |
| 18:05.35 | shtrb | hanshenrik_, I think that yes |
| 18:05.37 | greycat | slax0r: which version of Debian? |
| 18:05.38 | slax0r | ssh connections active etc |
| 18:05.41 | slax0r | greycat: 8 |
| 18:05.48 | shtrb | but you need to have access to the tty .. |
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| 18:08.34 | shtrb | hanshenrik_ , check https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Network.html and |
| 18:08.51 | hanshenrik_ | awesome |
| 18:08.53 | shtrb | but I don't know how it will handle UEFI |
| 18:08.54 | hanshenrik_ | thanks |
| 18:09.02 | hanshenrik_ | guess ill figure out |
| 18:09.15 | shtrb | hanshenrik_ , warning if screw that up you bricked the device and it will eat your cat |
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| 18:09.32 | shtrb | and get win10 on your desktop |
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| 18:10.09 | hanshenrik_ | shtrb, i doubt it, i have managed to gather as much: the bios is set to PXE boot a server conaining a image wich boots from local disk. |
| 18:10.19 | hanshenrik_ | or boots a "install pre-configured image" thing if i ask it to |
| 18:11.11 | shtrb | yehh , but if you are unlucky enough and somehow find yourself overwriting UEFI stuff ... |
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| 18:11.37 | shtrb | UEFI is very picky |
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| 18:12.25 | Walakea | why ar eyou even able to overwrite uefi? |
| 18:12.39 | shtrb | because it is broken by design |
| 18:13.13 | shtrb | it is vendor specific feature |
| 18:13.17 | Walakea | is it supposed to be updated on daily basis? |
| 18:13.28 | shtrb | no |
| 18:13.34 | shtrb | it is stupid approach |
| 18:13.38 | shtrb | *according to me |
| 18:13.46 | shtrb | the vars should be RO and not RW |
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| 18:14.23 | hailhydra | I can't get chormium browser to play youtube videos. How do I fix this? |
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| 18:14.47 | shtrb | Walakea , but that feature is only on specific vendors |
| 18:15.20 | Walakea | i wish it would be easy to install that libreboot or coreboot thing |
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| 18:15.32 | hanshenrik_ | shtrb, thanks ill kepp that in mind |
| 18:15.48 | TomTomTosch | Walakea, don't we all? ;D |
| 18:17.26 | dontknow | hailhydra, do you try html5 video |
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| 18:19.41 | hailhydra | dontknow: how do you do that? |
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| 18:20.23 | dontknow | hailhydra, by default it plays html5 if there is no flash |
| 18:20.34 | hailhydra | yeah thats what I thought |
| 18:20.59 | dontknow | you don't have flash, do you? |
| 18:21.13 | hailhydra | probably not |
| 18:21.23 | hailhydra | still figuring out how to add sources |
| 18:21.53 | dontknow | iceweasel plays videos well |
| 18:22.14 | hailhydra | yeah I don't FF |
| 18:22.39 | hailhydra | or I should say I don't like firebug. I do a lot of JS |
| 18:22.51 | TomTomTosch | chromium does too. hailhydra, 'dpkg -l | grep flash' anything listed there? |
| 18:23.15 | hailhydra | TomTomTosch: nadda |
| 18:23.21 | hailhydra | I have chromium installed |
| 18:23.38 | hailhydra | Or I should say. videos don't play on Chromium |
| 18:23.39 | somiaj | if you want to use non-free flash, add the contrib repo and install the package pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:24.01 | dontknow | hailhydra, don't do that |
| 18:24.05 | hailhydra | somiaj: been trying to figure that out |
| 18:24.19 | somiaj | chromium should support html5 video, but not all sites use html5 players |
| 18:24.26 | hailhydra | docs aren't very clear on how to add contrib or non-free |
| 18:24.32 | TomTomTosch | youtube should mostly though. |
| 18:24.32 | somiaj | !contrib |
| 18:24.33 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ [jessie|stretch|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
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| 18:25.06 | somiaj | correct, youtube should work fine without flash (for most videos, some codes dont' work in html5) |
| 18:25.12 | hailhydra | chromium-browser on Ubuntu plays Youtube videos just fine |
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| 18:25.28 | hailhydra | this is a brand new debian install |
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| 18:25.54 | somiaj | hailhydra: ubuntu will install non-free software by default, so it is a bad comparision. i.e. debian requires extra steps to install non-free flash, but you can install it. The other suggestions are many videos you can write without additional non-free flash. |
| 18:26.11 | TomTomTosch | could be graphics driver related, chromium does use hardware acceleration for video decoding. |
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| 18:26.36 | dontknow | hailhydra, there are alternative methods to play youtube videos |
| 18:26.42 | hailhydra | oh might be that |
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| 18:26.46 | somiaj | hailhydra: so if something works in ubuntu it can work in debian, but debian has vastly different policies about free vs nonfree softare (see the DFSG) and if what you need to work requires non-free stuff you have to do extra work on debian. |
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| 18:27.01 | hailhydra | I forgot how I got an nvidia driver |
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| 18:27.38 | hailhydra | yeah but isn't chromium supposed to package the codecs with the browser? |
| 18:28.00 | dontknow | hailhydra, you can use mpv player to play youtube videos |
| 18:28.19 | TomTomTosch | hailhydra, what graphics card are you using? |
| 18:28.20 | somiaj | hailhydra: it does, but not all codes are free/supported by html5. |
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| 18:29.00 | [TheFlash] | hi, i have a question about the upcoming name change of iceweasel to firefox |
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| 18:29.13 | [TheFlash] | did the mozilla trademark guidelines change in any way? |
| 18:29.21 | hailhydra | TomTomTosch: GTX680 |
| 18:29.32 | [TheFlash] | if not, doesn't that make firefox non-DFSG, since it can't be sold? |
| 18:29.35 | greycat | Oh, this reminds me: starting a couple weeks ago, "apt-get update" with the google-chrome stable source (on jessie) has started saying W: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 18:29.46 | greycat | It doesn't seem to be causing any problems, but it's... a bit curious. |
| 18:30.08 | greycat | This is on a jessie amd64 box with i386 multiarch added. |
| 18:30.20 | jmcnaught | greycat: google discontinued 32-bit chrome |
| 18:30.22 | somiaj | greycat: google doesn't produce i386 packages anymore, you'll have to tell your sources to only use amd64 |
| 18:30.32 | somiaj | greycat: deb [arch=amd64] blahblahblah for the soruce |
| 18:30.48 | greycat | ah, ok |
| 18:31.34 | dontknow | hailhydra, fuck the chromium |
| 18:31.42 | dontknow | install iceweasel |
| 18:31.47 | Walakea | can i create empty partitions via debian installer? |
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| 18:31.56 | hailhydra | I loathe firebug |
| 18:32.01 | [TheFlash] | dontknow: or is it firefox now? :P |
| 18:32.09 | somiaj | Walakea: yes |
| 18:32.10 | hailhydra | dev tools are so much better |
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| 18:32.22 | Walakea | in a graphical interface? |
| 18:32.24 | dontknow | [TheFlash], it is not for stable |
| 18:32.36 | [TheFlash] | i'm not sure how can it be, considering mozilla's trademark policy doesn't allow selling verbatim copies |
| 18:33.28 | [TheFlash] | so if it hasn't changed, firefox isn't DFSG-free, and therefore can't be in the main repo... |
| 18:33.38 | TomTomTosch | [TheFlash] you can read the whole discussion here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 |
| 18:33.39 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/815006 in iceweasel (open): «Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-17; last modified: 2016-03-06. |
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| 18:33.53 | dontknow | [TheFlash], debian made a mistake by changing the branding |
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| 18:34.25 | [TheFlash] | dontknow: but it can't go in the main repo if it's called firefox |
| 18:34.25 | karlpinc | dontknow: Wasn't a mistake. Was legally required for backporting fixes. |
| 18:34.28 | somiaj | dontknow: that is not correct. |
| 18:34.30 | shtrb | Any people around that are using WLAN with captive that have a link up but no access ? |
| 18:34.33 | [TheFlash] | because you can't sell it |
| 18:34.33 | jmcnaught | hailhydra: personally i think it's wise to have 2 supported browsers installed, so if one gets all fubar, you can use the other one to look up how to repair. also you don't need t watch youtube in the same browser you use for development do you? |
| 18:34.39 | TomTomTosch | dontknow, not sure what you are on about, but i think we had this talk already in #d-o and marked it as bs. |
| 18:34.41 | shtrb | I wish to check a workaround but I no longer can reproduce the probelm |
| 18:35.00 | [TheFlash] | TomTomTosch: thanks for the link, i'll take a look at it |
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| 18:35.28 | hailhydra | E: Package 'firefox' has no installation candidate |
| 18:35.44 | somiaj | hailhydra: firefox won't make it into jessie for about a month or so |
| 18:36.01 | TomTomTosch | hailhydra, you can get it from the mdn repo. http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 18:36.12 | hailhydra | jmcnaught: yeah I listen to most of my music through Yt with a last.fm scrobblr |
| 18:36.15 | somiaj | hailhydra: firefox-esr is undergoing its quality phase, and once the next security hole is found in the older esr version the security team will fix it by replacing it with firefox-esr (The new one) |
| 18:36.26 | [TheFlash] | TomTomTosch: ah, i see, message #15 answers my question |
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| 18:37.18 | somiaj | [TheFlash]: about 2 years ago the main reason for mozilla not allow debian to distribute its brand was removed with the chance of how security deals with browsers (they are just over all to buggy/insecure) |
| 18:37.45 | somiaj | and eventally it has now gotten back to the point mozilla is not disallowing debian from distributing its brand name. |
| 18:38.22 | greycat | is reading 815006, which is interesting |
| 18:38.53 | greycat | "To simplify the maintenance of the current stable Debian release, the name |
| 18:38.54 | greycat | iceweasel will remain." |
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| 18:39.41 | dontknow | right. brand doesn't change on stable |
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| 18:39.56 | somiaj | as a tansitional package. Though I guess this gives some traction for someone to package icecat, though I doubt security wants another browser to matain so if it makes it into debian it probabaly won't get secuity support (my guess) |
| 18:40.11 | hailhydra | wow Debian is kinda a pain compared to Ubuntu |
| 18:40.11 | somiaj | dontknow: that isn't it, it is about making sure there is a smooth upgrade path/transition |
| 18:40.35 | greycat | I have not found it to be a pain. What issue are you having specifically? |
| 18:41.03 | jmcnaught | hailhydra: the pain points are different. With Debian you have to intentionally choose to use non-free software, most of us see this as a benefit. With Ubuntu you have to use Ubuntu. |
| 18:41.06 | dontknow | somiaj, so it will become firefox in stable? |
| 18:41.09 | somiaj | hailhydra: depends, it is a policy issue. Debian has very strick policy guidelines about what software is allowed in debian and what quality it has to be. Ubuntu has different policies on this. As such hardware/software that depends on non-free compoenents are not available by default. |
| 18:41.20 | greycat | dontknow: in the *next* stable. |
| 18:41.21 | hailhydra | well I started this install at 6am, it's now almost 1pm. and I still don't have proper sound or video |
| 18:41.57 | somiaj | dontknow: correct, the packages will jsut be called iceweasel to ensure a smooth transition, but once firefox-esr 45 is fully released and the current esr iceweasel is built from has a security hole, the security team will fix it by using the new esr version. |
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| 18:42.32 | somiaj | hailhydra: sometimes things are refered to as 'the debian way' wich is just due to debian's policy things that ubuntu may make automatic require understanding what is going on. |
| 18:42.55 | somiaj | hailhydra: so first, are you okay with enabling contrib and non-free software repos. If so modify your sources.list and replace 'main' with 'main contrib non-free' |
| 18:43.21 | somiaj | hailhydra: after that we cna help you install the nvidia drivers, and non-free flash if that is your choice on what you want to use (debian just is clear that you are installing non-free licenses on your machine) |
| 18:43.24 | hailhydra | I did that already but on three seperate entries |
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| 18:43.35 | somiaj | or better yet license that do not meet the DSFG |
| 18:43.40 | somiaj | hailhydra: okay, now run apt-get update |
| 18:43.56 | hailhydra | I just want sound and video I don't care if its a proprietary driver or not |
| 18:44.26 | hailhydra | doing stuff the debian way has eatten up most of my day. |
| 18:44.28 | greycat | For audio, mostly things just work out of the box, once you un-mute the channels in alsamixer. |
| 18:44.38 | greycat | Unless your PC has multiple sound cards. |
| 18:44.47 | somiaj | hailhydra: That is fine, I'm just pointing out in debian this does matter and once you know ti does, you can work around it. |
| 18:44.55 | hailhydra | realtek card all channels are unmuted |
| 18:45.26 | somiaj | hailhydra: so now lets attack each issue one at a time. Do you want to adress your audio issue, your drivers issue for your video card or your issue to get flash installed. Don't jump around, allow us to help each issue one at a time |
| 18:45.45 | somiaj | hailhydra: it does take a bit more work then ubuntu, but once you know what you are doing it isn't that bad (and I personally think it is worth it) |
| 18:45.48 | hailhydra | lets get a proper nvidia driver first that might fix the youtube thing |
| 18:46.09 | somiaj | !nvidia-dkms |
| 18:46.21 | dontknow | hailhydra, i bet it is not going to fix the issue |
| 18:46.31 | somiaj | !nvidia dkms |
| 18:46.31 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 18:46.43 | dontknow | i don't think it is a driver issue |
| 18:46.45 | hailhydra | -bash: !nvidia-dkms: event not found |
| 18:46.52 | somiaj | dontknow: can you please keep your random comments to a minimum, lots of them are not that helpful and just noise. |
| 18:46.57 | greycat | hailhydra: it was a bot trigger, not a bash command |
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| 18:47.16 | [TheFlash] | ok, thanks for the help |
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| 18:47.20 | somiaj | hailhydra: the bot listed you some suggestions to install the non-free drivers. You have already configured contrib and non-free, can you follow those instructions? |
| 18:47.22 | dontknow | somiaj, ok. go on. but it is not going to work. just saying |
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| 18:48.12 | somiaj | dontknow: there are multiple issues going on. I belive hailhydra wants the non-free nvidia drivers for his card, so even if this does't fix all of the issues, this is something that it sounds like hailhydra wants and a good starting point. |
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| 18:48.49 | hailhydra | is that all one command? where does it start and where does it end? |
| 18:48.49 | somiaj | hailhydra: I do hope I'm correct on assuming you want to be using the non-free nvidia drivers for your card? What card do you have? |
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| 18:49.04 | hailhydra | GTX680 |
| 18:49.13 | hailhydra | yes I want an nvidia binary |
| 18:49.31 | somiaj | hailhydra: It can be run as one command but it is really a few sperate commands all strung together. |
| 18:50.00 | somiaj | hailhydra: the first command starts at "aptitude -r install ..." and ends before teh && character, run just that part, that will install the driver. |
| 18:50.16 | TomTomTosch | i don't want to distract from what somiaj is doing, but with chrome://gpu you can see the status of graphics features in chrome |
| 18:50.35 | somiaj | hailhydra: I can simplify this for you, are you using amd64? |
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| 18:52.22 | hailhydra | yes |
| 18:52.30 | hailhydra | yeah this is way too much |
| 18:52.37 | somiaj | hailhydra: run this command 'apt-get install linux-headers-amd64 nvidia-kernel-dkms' |
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| 18:52.55 | somiaj | hailhydra: this will install the headers (needed to build the module), the module and automatically build it for you |
| 18:52.59 | hailhydra | linux-headers-amd64 is already the newest version. |
| 18:53.04 | hailhydra | nvidia-kernel-dkms is already the newest version. |
| 18:53.11 | hailhydra | nvidia-kernel-dkms set to manually installed |
| 18:53.17 | hailhydra | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 18:53.18 | somiaj | hailhydra: sounds like you have already installed the nvidia drivers. |
| 18:53.32 | somiaj | hailhydra: lsmod | grep nvidia (is the module loaded?) |
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| 18:53.56 | hailhydra | nvidia 8487526 48 |
| 18:53.58 | hailhydra | drm 249955 3 nvidia |
| 18:54.02 | hailhydra | i2c_core 46012 3 drm,i2c_hid,nvidia |
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| 18:54.18 | somiaj | hailhydra: okay, what about 'glxinfo | grep vendor' |
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| 18:54.33 | somiaj | hailhydra: does this say you are using NVIDIA Corporation's glx? |
| 18:54.52 | hailhydra | I don't have that package |
| 18:55.03 | hailhydra | unable to lacate package glxinfo |
| 18:55.11 | somiaj | hailhydra: did you run 'glxinfo' |
| 18:55.17 | somiaj | hailhydra: or did you run 'apt-get install glxinfo' |
| 18:55.27 | hailhydra | unable to lacate package glxinfo |
| 18:55.36 | greycat | Stop trying to lactate. |
| 18:55.36 | ph0 | apt-get install mesa-utils |
| 18:55.44 | ph0 | there you have glxinfo |
| 18:55.54 | hailhydra | thats the error after apt-get install glxinfo |
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| 18:56.04 | greycat | glxinfo is not a PACKAGE name. It's a COMMAND name. |
| 18:56.07 | somiaj | hailhydra: that is not the command I said to run, I said run 'glxinfo | grep nvidia' |
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| 18:56.33 | hailhydra | server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 18:56.37 | hailhydra | server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 18:56.45 | hailhydra | client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 18:56.51 | hailhydra | OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 18:57.08 | ph0 | grep -i glx /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:57.26 | somiaj | hailhydra: so you are curerntly running the nvidia drivers? I thought you hadn't enabled and installed the non-free drivers? |
| 18:57.34 | hailhydra | [ 3516.785] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 352.79 Wed Jan 13 15:54:44 PST 2016 |
| 18:57.50 | somiaj | hailhydra: this is fine, I was just coufsed what state your system is in, you have already loaded and isntalled the drivers (it seems you have also installed them from jessie-backports) |
| 18:57.51 | hailhydra | I didn't |
| 18:57.58 | hailhydra | I only had jessie main |
| 18:58.01 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 18:58.02 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-5; sid/non-free: 352.79-5; experimental/non- |
| 18:58.03 | judd | free: 355.11-2 |
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| 18:58.30 | somiaj | hailhydra: you are running nvidia drivers from jessie-backports. These will not be installed by default, you must have installed them. |
| 18:58.50 | hailhydra | I guess so |
| 18:58.58 | TomTomTosch | hailhydra, did you install from nvidia's website? |
| 18:59.09 | hailhydra | so also-mixer has everything un-muted and turned up |
| 18:59.11 | hailhydra | no |
| 18:59.47 | somiaj | hailhydra: okay, so that wasn't even an issue we had to deal with. Please try to keep track to what you have and have not done. So sound or vidoes in chromium. What do you want to deal with next? |
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| 19:00.23 | hailhydra | lets do sound cause I know I have ALSA isntalled |
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| 19:00.49 | somiaj | hailhydra: what about pulse, 'ps fax | grep pulse' -- don't paste the output here, just check if you have pulseaudio running. |
| 19:01.16 | clbk | hello folks |
| 19:01.29 | hailhydra | somiaj: what am I looking for? |
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| 19:01.52 | somiaj | hailhydra: just something contain the word 'pulseaudio' saying the daemon is running |
| 19:02.05 | hailhydra | no just one line |
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| 19:02.07 | hailhydra | 4550 pts/1 S+ 0:00 \_ grep pulse |
| 19:02.26 | hailhydra | fax or aux? |
| 19:02.28 | somiaj | hailhydra: alrighty you don't have pulse installed (or running) just checking |
| 19:02.39 | somiaj | hailhydra: doesn't matter, just different flags |
| 19:02.44 | hailhydra | ah k |
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| 19:03.04 | somiaj | hailhydra: 'cat /proc/asound/cards' how many sounds cards are detected? What is the number of the sound card you want to use? |
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| 19:03.33 | hailhydra | 4 listed |
| 19:03.42 | hailhydra | not sure which is the realtek |
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| 19:03.47 | somiaj | hailhydra: can you determine which sound card is the one you want to use? |
| 19:04.08 | greycat | maybe pastebin the output |
| 19:04.10 | hailhydra | oh wait I read it wrong 2 listed |
| 19:04.14 | somiaj | hailhydra: this is probabaly your issue, you just have multiple sound cards and need to configure which one the audio comes out of. |
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| 19:04.23 | hailhydra | 0 is the intel 1 is nvidia |
| 19:05.13 | hailhydra | I guess the realtek would be intel not nvidia |
| 19:05.32 | somiaj | hailhydra: usually the hardawre is snd_hda_intel but it has a realtek codec. |
| 19:05.48 | hailhydra | oh okay |
| 19:06.17 | somiaj | hailhydra: well since card 0 is the intel, I'm unsure why the audio isn't working (unless you wre wanting to use the audio from the hdmi with nvidia) |
| 19:06.27 | somiaj | hailhydra: this a desktop or laptop? |
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| 19:06.43 | hailhydra | desktop |
| 19:06.50 | hailhydra | no I don't want to use HDMI |
| 19:07.01 | TomTomTosch | does it say Intel PCH or HDMI ? |
| 19:07.12 | somiaj | !alsa-checklist |
| 19:07.13 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 19:07.14 | hailhydra | PCH |
| 19:07.32 | somiaj | there is a list of things you can check about your sound card. Make sure your speakers are pluged in, etc |
| 19:08.11 | hailhydra | how do I add myself to the audio group? |
| 19:08.23 | greycat | adduser username audio |
| 19:08.23 | somiaj | hailhydra: type 'groups' do you see audio listed? |
| 19:08.30 | hailhydra | groups |
| 19:08.34 | hailhydra | oops |
| 19:08.53 | hailhydra | django cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth |
| 19:09.03 | somiaj | hailhydra: audio is listed so you don't need to add yoruself |
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| 19:11.11 | TomTomTosch | hailhydra, does 5) from the factoid above work for you? |
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| 19:14.32 | hailhydra | no not yet |
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| 19:16.14 | hailhydra | I don't have pulseaudio |
| 19:16.18 | hailhydra | do I need it? |
| 19:16.21 | greycat | no |
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| 19:17.00 | hailhydra | somiaj: can you bring up the factoid again? |
| 19:17.19 | TomTomTosch | hailhydra, /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
| 19:18.14 | TomTomTosch | hailhydra, though, what number does your release have in lsb_release -a ? |
| 19:18.36 | hailhydra | 8.3 |
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| 19:19.17 | hailhydra | dpkg alsa-checklist |
| 19:19.18 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 19:20.47 | dontknow | installing pulseaudio may solve the issue. maybe |
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| 19:21.05 | dontknow | why not |
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| 19:22.43 | hailhydra | i3 says my sound is muted |
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| 19:23.31 | TomTomTosch | hailhydra, i3 has tools for that? |
| 19:24.15 | hailhydra | well my bar does |
| 19:25.07 | TomTomTosch | hailhydra, check alsamixer again. and check if you have the correct soundcard selected with f6. |
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| 19:25.48 | hailhydra | TomTomTosch: I've tried all of them |
| 19:26.32 | dontknow | hailhydra, install pulseadio |
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| 19:34.40 | hailhydra | welp I've spent too long on this. I gotta get some work done. Thanks for all the help but Debian is just too much for me. |
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| 19:42.27 | [TheFlash] | hi, i was here earlier asking about the change from iceweasel to firefox |
| 19:42.36 | [TheFlash] | in the meantime, i read the Mozilla Trademark Policy |
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| 19:42.42 | [TheFlash] | and there's just no way it could be DFSG-free |
| 19:42.47 | Tom01 | Is somebody using Debian without a Monitorn connected? |
| 19:43.04 | [TheFlash] | "If you choose to distribute Mozilla binaries yourself, you should make the latest stable version available (of course, you probably want to do so as well). If you compile Mozilla unmodified source code (including code and config files in the installer) and do not charge for it, you do not need additional permission from Mozilla to use the relevant Mozilla Mark(s) for your compiled version." |
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| 19:43.42 | [TheFlash] | this part, "and do not charge for it" seems to imply you don't have permission to sell binaries compiled from the original Mozilla source code |
| 19:43.58 | jelly | [TheFlash]: not many devs around here, people who discussed this with mozilla foundation are probably absent as well |
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| 19:45.52 | [TheFlash] | jelly: well, this is a very serious matter, since it means there's non-DFSG software in the main repository |
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| 19:47.02 | dontknow | [TheFlash], but debian's binary is modified |
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| 19:48.11 | [TheFlash] | dontknow: "If you're taking full advantage of the open-source nature of Mozilla's products and making significant functional changes, you may not redistribute the fruits of your labor under any Mozilla trademark, without Mozilla's prior written consent. For example, if the product you've modified is Firefox, you may not use Mozilla or Firefox, in whole or in part, in its name." |
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| 19:49.20 | [TheFlash] | dontknow: there doesn't seem to be a way to sell unmodified versions of firefox while they're still named firefox |
| 19:49.28 | [TheFlash] | you have to rename them, or forbid selling |
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| 19:53.14 | jelly | [TheFlash]: I assume you've read the whole bts bug, including messages #55, #65 and #70? |
| 19:53.30 | Walakea | right now i am reinstalling debian |
| 19:53.46 | Walakea | i managed to properly partition my disk |
| 19:53.52 | Walakea | but one thing |
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| 19:54.16 | np_ | anyone here familiar with openbox? |
| 19:54.18 | Walakea | i want to have 64 GB partition for an secondary OS |
| 19:54.32 | Kobaz | got bumped off the interwebs, dont know what you guys got |
| 19:54.34 | Kobaz | but... i need to rescue a system with a broken libc. i have knoppix booted and the root mounted... how do i run dpkg with like, a modified root. or extract the package and then clobber what's there |
| 19:54.42 | Walakea | the primary 64 GB partition for debian is mounted at / |
| 19:54.56 | Walakea | the secondary should not be mounted at all? |
| 19:55.22 | jelly | Walakea: ideally it shouldn't even exist, keep that space unpartitioned |
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| 19:55.40 | Walakea | ok |
| 19:55.46 | Walakea | and other one |
| 19:56.19 | jelly | unless you plan to have the other OS be a Linux too, then you might have both use the same LVM VG (and same PV) |
| 19:56.33 | Walakea | i want to have the free space reserved for saving backups of my OS (about 350 GB); where should that be mounted? |
| 19:56.53 | [TheFlash] | jelly: ok, i see, but you should know that the Mozilla Trademark Policy on the website hasn't changed so far |
| 19:57.01 | Walakea | i dont know if i want to use LVM |
| 19:57.03 | jelly | Walakea: wherever you like. I keep mine mounted at /backup |
| 19:57.25 | Walakea | great |
| 19:57.36 | jelly | [TheFlash]: and mike connor has written they move slowly and they plan to address it eventually. |
| 19:57.53 | Walakea | does the LVM require me to understand it? |
| 19:57.54 | jelly | [TheFlash]: at least that's how I'm reading it. |
| 19:58.59 | jelly | [TheFlash]: if that's not good enough for your distro then you best wait, or try to get a separate confirmation |
| 19:59.16 | [TheFlash] | for my distro? :P |
| 19:59.28 | [TheFlash] | i'm not making a distro |
| 19:59.50 | Walakea | IRC |
| 19:59.54 | [TheFlash] | but, as a user, i do count on debian not putting non-free software in the main repository |
| 20:00.23 | [TheFlash] | the free software foundation has declared that the unmodified firefox is non-free, because it can't be sold |
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| 20:00.50 | [TheFlash] | if debian's firefox is modified, which seems to be the case, it doesn't seem possible for it to still be named "firefox" under the current trademark policy |
| 20:01.23 | jelly | [TheFlash]: and that's being addressed in the messages I pointed out |
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| 20:01.34 | [TheFlash] | jelly: yes, i see |
| 20:01.41 | [TheFlash] | so the trademark policy needs an update |
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| 20:02.28 | jelly | both pabs and paultag have asked for more explicit wording from mozilla, so I guess that's going to happen at some point |
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| 20:02.47 | dontknow | [TheFlash], but it says " without Mozilla's prior written consent." |
| 20:02.59 | atralheaven | hi, on "chage -l $USER" I want to change password expire date, I use "chage -E somedate" but it changes the "Account expires" date not the "Password expires" date. how can I change password expire date? |
| 20:03.17 | [TheFlash] | dontknow: yes of course, being the trademark holder, they can always override anything they wrote there |
| 20:03.18 | greycat | what's the difference? |
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| 20:04.08 | dontknow | [TheFlash], so they can give consent whoever they want. in this case it is debian |
| 20:04.08 | atralheaven | greycat: are you talking to me? |
| 20:04.10 | greycat | Oh, it's actually mentioned in shadow(5). Never mind, stupid grey cat. |
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| 20:04.13 | Walakea | so currently it is (in GB) 0,5 UEFI, 10 swap, 64 Debian mounted at /, 64 free space, 512 /home, 340 /backup, 9,7 free space |
| 20:04.36 | jelly | dontknow: they can't give separate consent for debian specifically, that's against DFSG |
| 20:05.00 | jelly | (okay, they can, but it'd be useless) |
| 20:05.00 | dontknow | ah |
| 20:05.28 | atralheaven | that is important for me, please help |
| 20:05.58 | greycat | well, if chage can't do it, then edit shadow by hand. |
| 20:05.59 | jelly | [TheFlash]: also, what FSF thinks is not prescriptive here |
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| 20:06.16 | greycat | or find another tool that doesn't have that limitation |
| 20:06.44 | [TheFlash] | jelly: ok, the DFSG then |
| 20:06.59 | [TheFlash] | non-commercial software isn't DFSG-free |
| 20:07.39 | jelly | usage restrictions are not allowed, that's right |
| 20:07.43 | AimHere | Software with noncommercial clauses in the licenses, at least |
| 20:07.58 | TomTomTosch | this is going in circles now... |
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| 20:09.07 | [TheFlash] | TomTomTosch: i was just correcting myself because i said FSF-free instead of DFSG-free |
| 20:09.37 | Walakea | is btrfs as stable as ext4? |
| 20:10.24 | jelly | [TheFlash]: I don't see what's the problem, seeing as mozilla has acked what debian does are not "significant functional changes" at all |
| 20:10.53 | [TheFlash] | jelly: and at the same time, they do acknowledge that these are changes, and therefore, debian CDs with firefox can still be sold? |
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| 20:11.13 | [TheFlash] | (that's what i think, just asking for a confirmation) |
| 20:12.03 | jelly | I don't understand that last line. "they do acknowledge that these are changes," |
| 20:12.38 | [TheFlash] | jelly: i mean, they acknowledge that those changes are still changes of some kind, and therefore it's not the "unmodified firefox source code" |
| 20:12.40 | [TheFlash] | which can't be sold |
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| 20:13.22 | r6ku | Walakea: no |
| 20:14.16 | jelly | [TheFlash]: can you point out where it says "unmodified firefox source code" [...] can't be sold ? |
| 20:14.24 | Walakea | should i use LVM if i have no idea what it does? |
| 20:15.23 | [TheFlash] | jelly: "If you compile Mozilla unmodified source code (including code and config files in the installer) and do not charge for it, you do not need additional permission from Mozilla to use the relevant Mozilla Mark(s) for your compiled version." |
| 20:15.25 | somiaj | Walakea: you could read up on what it does. |
| 20:15.34 | r6ku | Walakea: https://wiki.debian.org/LVM |
| 20:15.50 | Walakea | i could but i am installing debian right now |
| 20:15.51 | dontknow | Walakea, i have no idea and i use lvm |
| 20:16.05 | jelly | [TheFlash]: that says nothing about charging being forbidden |
| 20:16.26 | atralheaven | I want to set a date (date or in days from now, doesn't matter) for a password of an account to be locked, how can I do that? |
| 20:16.38 | [TheFlash] | jelly: then a nice clarification would be to remove the "and do not charge for it" part |
| 20:17.26 | jmcnaught | Walakea: did you check out that RHEL LVM manual i linked for you yesterday? i highly recommend it, and very little if anything in that book is RHEL specific |
| 20:17.36 | somiaj | atralheaven: check the expire date, man chage, man passwd |
| 20:17.37 | Walakea | oh hello |
| 20:17.42 | jelly | [TheFlash]: I'll let Mozilla deal with legalese |
| 20:17.54 | Walakea | i sure will |
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| 20:18.06 | atralheaven | somiaj: I did, on "chage -l $USER" I want to change password expire date, I use "chage -E somedate" but it changes the "Account expires" date not the "Password expires" date. how can I change password expire date? |
| 20:18.42 | [TheFlash] | jelly: but yeah, if the debian project really does think that the unmodified source code of firefox can be sold, then i should talk to Mozilla, since everything's fine on debian's side |
| 20:18.53 | atralheaven | somiaj: I want the password to be locked in a day in future |
| 20:19.16 | [TheFlash] | jelly: as in, firefox won't be moved to non-free |
| 20:19.18 | atralheaven | somiaj: but it expires the account |
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| 20:20.01 | somiaj | atralheaven: And what is wrong with the account being expired, are there other methods like ssh login you want to keep open? |
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| 20:20.10 | jmcnaught | Walakea: at its core LVM is just a layer of abstraction that gives you more control and flexibility than plain old partitions. i promise it won't take very long to learn, and you'll be happy you did |
| 20:20.34 | somiaj | atralheaven: you can also set MAX_DAYS and LAST_DAY such that it requires a password change, but unsure how you can just lock the password as opposed to requing a change. |
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| 20:21.45 | atralheaven | somiaj: I actually don't know what's the difference, the account is for PAM auth of openvpn user of the server, if the user can't authenticate anymore, its ok |
| 20:21.57 | jelly | atralheaven: do you want the user to still be able to eg. log in via ssh key? |
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| 20:22.17 | greycat | atralheaven: if you don't know what the difference is, why did you say it matters so much to you that you can do the one thing but not the other? |
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| 20:22.29 | slax0r | hi, I have a gtx 960, do I need to install the non-free nvidia driver on jessie? I can not boot into my system unless I put "nomodeset" into boot options, but then, I get really crappy graphics |
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| 20:22.37 | slax0r | I mean, low resolution |
| 20:22.54 | greycat | atralheaven: and as I said above, it's explained in shadow(5) |
| 20:22.56 | atralheaven | greycat: if account expiration means an account being deleted, I don't want that |
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| 20:23.14 | jelly | slax0r: probably, but your card MAY also work better with a backported kernel and mouveau driver. |
| 20:23.19 | Walakea | jmcnaught: because i appreciate what you did for me, i will abort the installation and read the manual |
| 20:23.26 | greycat | atralheaven: man 5 shadow |
| 20:24.07 | Walakea | i dot want to reinstall my OS then in a close future |
| 20:24.07 | somiaj | atralheaven: I don't see an option to lock the password (which still allows ssh login) on a certain date. You would have to do that with cron and passwd -l accountname. But I think in your case expire might work just fine. Read the man pages we have been pointing you out, man passwd can also help, about the difference between a locked password, expired account and expired password. |
| 20:24.10 | slax0r | jelly: how do I get the backported kernel? |
| 20:24.19 | jelly | dpkg, tell slax0r about bdo kernel |
| 20:24.25 | jelly | dpkg, tell slax0r about jessie-backports |
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| 20:25.10 | jmcnaught | Walakea: you're welcome to hilight me with any LVM questions you have while reading that manual, if i'm around i'll try and clarify for you (lots of other LVM users in here too though) |
| 20:25.11 | atralheaven | somiaj: greycat: thanks, im reading shadow man |
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| 20:25.44 | jelly | slax0r: you may also have to install libgl1-mesa-dri from jessie-backports, too, to get 3d working |
| 20:25.51 | Walakea | jmcnaught: altough i will probably start reading it after i finish semester |
| 20:26.26 | jmcnaught | Walakea: oh.. it's a pretty short read, and you probably don't need to read all of it |
| 20:26.41 | Walakea | jmcnaught: true |
| 20:27.43 | TomTomTosch | jmcnaught, was it the one from RHEL magazine? |
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| 20:28.07 | atralheaven | it seems that the account expiration date would work fine, and it can be changed later too, for expending the vpn user account period |
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| 20:28.56 | James123 | Does anyone have any idea why `sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' myfile changes files permissions to non-readable, non-writable etc? |
| 20:29.12 | slax0r | jelly: ok, got a bdo kernel and libgl1-mesa-dri, but when I try to install nouveau from backports it says no such package |
| 20:29.17 | greycat | Perhaps your umask is set to 777 or something. |
| 20:29.23 | jelly | atralheaven: if your goal is imposing password change policy, use password max. age and password expiry. If your goal is limiting access, you probably want account expiry. |
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| 20:30.00 | jelly | slax0r: ah, there is none. Still you can reboot into the newer kernel ans see if it changes anything now. |
| 20:30.05 | atralheaven | jelly: its limiting access. and account expiry would work fine :) thank you guys! |
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| 20:30.17 | greycat | Hmm, nope. umask 777 doesn't change the permissions of the file with sed -i. At least not on jessie. |
| 20:30.18 | slax0r | jelly: alright, trying it now |
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| 20:32.18 | jelly | slax0r: fwiw, I've been very unhappy with nouveau on my GT720 and no combination of free driver components available for jessie is stable enough. Default 3.16 kernel and nvidia drivers work best (and even those hang after a couple suspend/resume cycles) |
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| 20:32.41 | slax0r | jelly: well, newer kernel, but nothing changed on the resolution |
| 20:32.58 | slax0r | so you're saying I should go back to 3.16 and just install the nvidia non-free? |
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| 20:33.18 | jelly | no, try everything |
| 20:34.10 | Walakea | i read on wikipedia that if you want to use amd open source drivers you still have to load some microcode |
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| 20:34.34 | greycat | Depends on the devivce. |
| 20:34.37 | jelly | slax0r: if you have non-free sources enabled, install nvidia-detect from jessie-backports, then run it and see which driver it recommends |
| 20:34.58 | slax0r | well, what do you know, removed nomodeset from grub, updated, rebooted, and hello fullhd |
| 20:34.59 | Walakea | and i wanted to ask how are the nouveau drivers in comparison to amd and both open and closed drivers |
| 20:35.05 | slax0r | on bdo kernel |
| 20:35.10 | jelly | ah. |
| 20:35.39 | jmcnaught | TomTomTosch: this is the one I was referring to. AFAIK all the features described there will work in jessie: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration/ |
| 20:36.03 | jelly | Walakea: it depends on the hardware. nouveau was nice with my older GT220 during wheezy and jessie as testing |
| 20:36.09 | TomTomTosch | jmcnaught, thanks :3 |
| 20:36.12 | slax0r | and finally, my weird screen turnoff isue on TTY switch is resolved |
| 20:36.18 | slax0r | issue* |
| 20:36.37 | Walakea | bad thing is i have one of the newsest: 940M |
| 20:36.42 | slax0r | thank you jelly |
| 20:36.47 | jelly | slax0r: yeah, if nouveau works for you keep using it |
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| 20:37.55 | Walakea | i use a laptop with both intel and nvidia |
| 20:38.04 | Walakea | i dont need nvidia |
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| 20:38.07 | jelly | Walakea: laptops have their own separate set of problems with that optimus thing |
| 20:38.10 | Walakea | wasted money |
| 20:38.15 | ok | http://www.spaste.com/s/LX4bDo |
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| 20:38.33 | jelly | Walakea: perhaps you can switch nvidia off in the firmware |
| 20:38.55 | [TheFlash] | ok, thanks for the help again, bye |
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| 20:39.40 | Walakea | when i check bbswitch it says it is off |
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| 21:11.24 | bamb | hi i have an offline machine and i am trying to uninstall an old kernel |
| 21:11.29 | bamb | its debian |
| 21:11.48 | joshumax | Hey, quick question. How does one abort the installation section of debian-installer without rebooting or running kill -9? |
| 21:12.06 | joshumax | Escape and ^C does nothing |
| 21:12.06 | bamb | i run "apt-get remove linux-image-3.18.0" |
| 21:12.22 | bamb | but i get an error that gdb has an unmet dependency |
| 21:12.57 | bamb | it says to run "apt-get -f", but it needs an internet connection for that |
| 21:13.03 | bamb | can i do this whole thing offline? |
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| 21:17.00 | greycat | bamb: even if I believe you when you say this is "debian", it sure as hell is not Debian stable. If it's an unstable/testing box, support is on OFTC in #debian-next. |
| 21:17.38 | bamb | why do you say its not stable?? |
| 21:17.52 | greycat | Because that kernel version is not in stable, and is not by any means "old". |
| 21:17.59 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 21:17.59 | bamb | ohh its a custom kernel |
| 21:18.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.5.0-trunk-686-pae (4.5-1~exp1); sid: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); stretch: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.5-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u3) |
| 21:18.20 | bamb | i built it and installed as a .deb package |
| 21:18.25 | bamb | now i wanna remove that deb package |
| 21:18.41 | greycat | Then you should be able to remove it just fine. gdb should certainly not depend on a linux-image. |
| 21:18.50 | bamb | yea thats whats wierd |
| 21:18.56 | bamb | im trying apt-get remove |
| 21:19.02 | bamb | its giving me this error |
| 21:19.19 | greycat | You probably have some other unrelated dependency issue. |
| 21:19.30 | bamb | how can i fix the other dep issue? |
| 21:19.36 | greycat | Plug the network cable in. |
| 21:19.46 | bamb | cant :( |
| 21:20.10 | greycat | Then trace through the output by hand and use whatever dpkg commands seem appropriate to fix it. |
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| 21:20.35 | bamb | can i force-remove the package? |
| 21:20.36 | bamb | i tried -m |
| 21:20.44 | greycat | Use dpkg, not apt. |
| 21:20.53 | bamb | ahh ok |
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| 21:23.46 | bamb | greycat: why did dpkg work but not apt-get? |
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| 21:24.34 | greycat | apt-get tries to reconcile everything. You have some broken crap that apt-get cannot reconcile, and you refuse to fix it. dpkg is more laser-focused, ignoring the other stuff and just removing the one thing you told it to remove. |
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| 21:28.42 | bamb | ok. thanks! |
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| 21:29.07 | karlpinc | Ok. I can't remember what I did. I followed the <ssb> factoid and got a backport. But I did something extra to add a ~bpo into the package version. Did I simply frob the DEBIAN/control file? I don't think so since my suffix is ~bpo8+1, which seems alltogether too clever for me. What tool did I use? I looked at "man dpkg-buildpackage", which is sorta-kinda what I remember I might have used. But don't see anything obvious there. |
| 21:29.07 | karlpinc | Any hints? |
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| 21:30.44 | vl420 | can anyone recommend a currently developed and well supported web browser that is lighter than midori but not as feature poor as dillo? |
| 21:31.03 | karlpinc | (My theory of version numbering being that if somebody does backport a newer version I could use that, but otherwise I want it to look like a regular backport so that my next upgrade goes smoothly.) |
| 21:31.36 | karlpinc | vl420: I suppose you're not looking for links or suchlike? |
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| 21:32.13 | karlpinc | !tell vl420 about search |
| 21:32.26 | karlpinc | vl420: (I like searching with debtags. YMMV.) |
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| 21:33.35 | vl420 | karlpinc, not links or any console browser |
| 21:34.11 | jmcnaught | vl420: the only two browsers covered by the security team in Jessie are iceweasel and chromium. There's a note about this in the Jessie release notes, and also a debian-security-support package that will tell you about support status of installed packages |
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| 21:37.18 | dontknow | vl420, netsurf |
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| 21:38.14 | dontknow | vl420, it is better than dillo, lesser than midori |
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| 21:41.25 | vl420 | dontknow, i tried netsurf and to put it mildly: it sucks! |
| 21:42.02 | karlpinc | Gee. backports.debian.org does say to provide a bpo<debianmajor>+<debianminor> suffix. I suppose I could have been smart enough to read that and frob the control file.... |
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| 21:43.23 | dontknow | vl420, there is no such browser what you want |
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| 21:44.43 | jelly | karlpinc: don't think the +minor is right. the suffix looks like ~bpo8+ and rest is just the usual package revision typically starting with 1 |
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| 21:48.01 | karlpinc | jelly: Oh. Ok. Thanks. |
| 21:50.35 | vl420 | ok thanks |
| 21:51.03 | peterrooney | ,v epiphany-browser |
| 21:51.04 | judd | Package: epiphany-browser on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.30.6-1; wheezy: 3.4.2-2.1; jessie: 3.14.1-1; sid: 3.18.5-1; stretch: 3.18.5-1 |
| 21:51.26 | peterrooney | jmcnaught: no secfurity for epiphany on jessie? |
| 21:52.02 | karlpinc | Humm. The debian-security-support check-support-status script does not look all that cron friendly. If you've no problems it seems to always produce a single empty line, and so will result in an email message no matter what. (I think.) :-P |
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| 21:55.16 | ElTimo | Anyone have any experience with the LeMaker HiKey? |
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| 21:55.48 | mtn | !ask |
| 21:55.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:55.56 | jelly | ElTimo: sounds like an arm thingy |
| 21:56.00 | RippyDippy | any is there any reason why rofi wouldn't be coming up in the standard repo? |
| 21:56.01 | jelly | !arm |
| 21:56.02 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:56.09 | ElTimo | It is, and thanks for the useless macro there, mtn. |
| 21:56.28 | mtn | ElTimo: you are welcome and thank you for the worthless question |
| 21:56.28 | ElTimo | Wait, seriously? |
| 21:56.35 | jelly | note the channel if on OFTC, not freenode |
| 21:56.44 | ElTimo | Support was dropped? |
| 21:57.02 | jelly | ElTimo: ignore that, just read the last sentence |
| 21:57.10 | ElTimo | Oh, cool. Thanks. |
| 21:57.21 | jelly | needs to be rephrased |
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| 21:57.59 | ElTimo | On a related note, if I get that "don't ask to ask" macro one more goddamn time when I've already asked my fucking question, I'm going to scream. |
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| 21:58.28 | ElTimo | Thanks jelly. I'll go ask there. |
| 21:58.48 | jelly | it's a small channel, be very patient |
| 21:58.54 | ElTimo | Ugh. |
| 21:59.02 | ElTimo | So that means I won't get a response till Monday anyway. |
| 21:59.08 | jelly | probably :-) |
| 21:59.11 | ElTimo | I just wish there was ANY kind of support for these things. |
| 21:59.16 | ElTimo | Like, at ALL. |
| 21:59.28 | jmcnaught | peterrooney: no i don't think it's covered. libwebkitgtk isn't |
| 22:00.07 | jelly | ElTimo: whose SoC is on that board? |
| 22:00.25 | zinx | ElTimo: your question specificly was if anyone in #debian had experence with LeMaker HiKey? doesn't sound very debian-related.. |
| 22:00.26 | ElTimo | HiSense 620, I believe. |
| 22:00.34 | ElTimo | It ships with debian, zinx |
| 22:00.59 | zinx | ElTimo: and you are taking a poll? |
| 22:01.12 | jelly | we do expect actual questions trying to solve actual tech problems |
| 22:01.18 | ElTimo | No, I'm literally trying to find someone who's even heard of the thing. |
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| 22:01.38 | zinx | ElTimo: do you have an actual problem, or are you just searching for people who have one? |
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| 22:01.49 | ElTimo | Little of column A, little of column B. |
| 22:01.59 | ElTimo | I'm trying to see if anyone's had any success in getting this to work. |
| 22:02.08 | ElTimo | So, yeah, I guess it is kind of a poll. |
| 22:02.10 | zinx | for column A, ask your question. for column B, this might be the wrong place. |
| 22:02.32 | jelly | ElTimo: lemaker probably has a forum of some sort |
| 22:02.38 | ElTimo | Yeah, and it's bloody useless. |
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| 22:03.06 | jelly | well, yeah, that may teach you not to buy their hw innit |
| 22:03.16 | ElTimo | Yeah, I'm very quickly learning that. |
| 22:04.05 | ElTimo | I'm about to completely write off 96boards altogether, at this point. Their site advertised working GPU drivers, but the device didn't ship with anything even remotely resembling that. |
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| 22:04.33 | jelly | there's precious few actually helpful and open-source friendly arm board vendors |
| 22:04.34 | jmcnaught | peterrooney: however epiphany doesn't get listed by check-support-status on my system, and it looks like it uses libwebkit2gtk. check-support-status does complain about libwebkitgtk for me though |
| 22:04.47 | ElTimo | jelly, I know, and that's really sad. |
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| 22:05.18 | ElTimo | Especially considering that ARM is the closest thing to an mainstream open-hardware processor there is. |
| 22:05.43 | ElTimo | By that I mean you can make your own ARM, of course, not that it's terribly open otherwise. |
| 22:06.13 | jelly | you can? If you buy a license from ARM and have a foundry at your disposal maybe |
| 22:06.34 | karlpinc | At least uboot is FOSS. |
| 22:06.41 | TomTomTosch | you can have a FPGA one that's not nearly as usable. |
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| 22:08.22 | jelly | ElTimo: but if you merely look at hardware that can mostly run open source _soft_ware on arm, then, apart from the largest r.pi community, you may look at recommended vendors for allwinner stuff; http://linux-sunxi.org/Buying_guide and maybe amlogic |
| 22:08.22 | ElTimo | jelly, yeah, that's what I meant. |
| 22:08.46 | ElTimo | Isn't Allwinner pretty bad at getting their sources out in a timely manner? |
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| 22:09.17 | jelly | they're pretty bad, sure, but most players are even worse |
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| 22:12.39 | jelly | ,v rofi |
| 22:12.40 | judd | Package: rofi on amd64 -- sid: 0.15.12-1; stretch: 0.15.12-1 |
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| 22:13.09 | jelly | RippyDippy: it's not present in any actually released version of debian |
| 22:13.30 | ElTimo | jelly, That's really sad. |
| 22:13.45 | jelly | ,i rofi --release stretch |
| 22:13.46 | ElTimo | Knew I should have gone for the Odroid... |
| 22:13.46 | judd | Package rofi (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: window switcher, run dialog and dmenu replacement. Version: 0.15.12-1; Size: 62.2k; Installed: 152k; Homepage: https://davedavenport.github.io/rofi/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/rofi |
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| 22:16.15 | vl420 | i have been told that i should give netsurf another chance. this time i was told to try netsurf 3.4. is there a deb for this version? |
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| 22:17.20 | TomTomTosch | not an official one. |
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| 22:18.30 | vl420 | TomTomTosch, an unofficial one? where? |
| 22:19.14 | jmcnaught | vl420: are you looking for an obscure browser because of limited resources on your computer? |
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| 22:20.35 | antena-cli | Can I report bugs here or is inutile and I must use the propper channels? |
| 22:21.21 | TomTomTosch | !tell antena-cli about reportbug |
| 22:21.25 | vl420 | jmcnaught, netsurf is not obscure but yes, i am looking for a browser for my Pentium 4 computer. Something lighter than midori but not feature poor like dillo |
| 22:22.33 | jelly | antena-cli: yeah, it's pretty useless to just talk about your bug in here |
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| 22:23.58 | TomTomTosch | vl420, the website has build instructions for 3.4. not sure how well that works. |
| 22:24.01 | antena-cli | TomTomTosch: Thanks bro. I was also thinking... If I use stable (not the most up-to-date packages) should I report my bugs or I must install the sid updates before I do it? |
| 22:24.48 | jelly | antena-cli: if you fing bugs in stable and they're not reported already, then yes please report them |
| 22:24.56 | vl420 | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/netsurf are we to understand that the default netsurf version for jessie has unresolved security issues? |
| 22:24.59 | jmcnaught | vl420: oh i see. have you tried iceweasel with noscript and requestpolicy perhaps? i find noscript does quite a bit to reduce resource use, and firefox has benefited quite a bit from mozilla's efforts with firefoxos |
| 22:25.18 | antena-cli | jelly: Okay. Thanks bro! |
| 22:25.37 | TomTomTosch | vl420, yes. |
| 22:25.52 | jmcnaught | vl420: i think i mentioned to you earlier that most browsers in Jessie aren't covered by the security team, and Iceweasel and Chromium are recommended |
| 22:25.53 | r6ku | vl420: get a new computer |
| 22:27.29 | vl420 | TomTomTosch, both iceweasel and Chromium are dead slow on my Pentium 4 and no i can not afford a new computer |
| 22:27.48 | tulphoon | use lynx then |
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| 22:28.18 | jelly | vl420: did you try iceweasel with noscript as suggested above? |
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| 22:28.31 | vl420 | jelly, yes |
| 22:28.40 | adrianoc | hi all, how i can enable mod_rewrite in userdir ? from my apache 2.4 ? |
| 22:29.35 | vl420 | i think most people here have desktop computers much faster than a Pentium 4 |
| 22:29.38 | jelly | vl420: then you're out of luck wrt. supported browsers on current internets I'm afraid |
| 22:29.39 | r6ku | vl420: get one those quad-core raspberry pis |
| 22:30.05 | r6ku | vl420: or hit the local recycling center |
| 22:30.07 | cafuego | vl420: If you lived anywhere near me you'd be most welcome to have my old desktop computer :-/ |
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| 22:30.27 | jmcnaught | vl420: can you get more RAM for this computer? Often more RAM can make a bigger impact than a CPU upgrade. |
| 22:30.29 | jelly | a 5 year old $200 thinkpad X220 should be able to run debian 8 nicely, but... yeah |
| 22:30.36 | vl420 | r6ku, no money and i would spend any money on blobbed hardware like the raspberry pi |
| 22:30.47 | adrianoc | look my userdir.conf ... http://pastebin.com/bqh3zJZZ |
| 22:30.53 | vl420 | r6ku, no money and i would NOT spend any money on blobbed hardware like the raspberry pi |
| 22:31.06 | cluelessperson | question, after making changes to /etc/cron.d/ files, what do I need to do to make them take effect? |
| 22:31.25 | npo | what do you mean by blobbed hardware? |
| 22:31.40 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: you probably just need to wait |
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| 22:31.46 | vl420 | jelly, no money |
| 22:31.49 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, how long? |
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| 22:32.27 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: it depends on the cron string for the job you're talking about |
| 22:32.33 | TomTomTosch | adrianoc, 'a2enmod rewrite' |
| 22:32.36 | cafuego | adrianoc: That looks fine. Is mod_rewrite enabled? |
| 22:32.38 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, why? |
| 22:32.59 | adrianoc | cafuego, mod_rewrite it's ok ... |
| 22:33.05 | adrianoc | i chek in phpinfo |
| 22:33.19 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: the cron string schedules how often something should be run. if the cron string only schedules it to run once a week, then... |
| 22:33.33 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, These are supposed to occur every 15 minutes. |
| 22:33.42 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, They've missed the last two marks |
| 22:33.44 | adrianoc | i check in http://localhost/~adrianoc/phpinfo.php |
| 22:33.57 | adrianoc | mod_rewrite is ok start |
| 22:34.14 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: show us a paste if you want help with it then |
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| 22:34.26 | jelly | vl420: gotcha. Still your P4 wastes quite a bit of electricity, replacing it with a cheap refurb laptop should pay for itself in 2 years or so |
| 22:36.09 | vl420 | jelly, i share a rather shabby flat with another person. my rent includes electricity |
| 22:37.08 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: also check if your cron service is running |
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| 22:37.31 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, http://hastebin.com/raw/tolidajane |
| 22:37.40 | jelly | vl420: you'll have to rely on security by obscurity, then, and hope noone makes linux malware for browsers |
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| 22:40.21 | vl420 | jelly, are you saying that debian jessie users that install netsurf from the official debian repo rely on security by obscurity? |
| 22:40.30 | jelly | vl420: yes. |
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| 22:41.57 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: which line are you having a problem with? the last line has a path that looks incorrect. |
| 22:43.27 | vl420 | jelly, so apart from iceweasel and chromium, are there any free as iun freedom web browsers that that do not rely on security by obscurity? |
| 22:44.10 | jelly | vl420: and that are actually modern browsers with some javascript support? not in debian, no. |
| 22:44.40 | jelly | vl420: that's what "only iceweasel and chromium have security support" means |
| 22:44.58 | vl420 | jelly, oh! |
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| 22:47.28 | vl420 | does nyone know how can i speed up my Pentium 4? It has 1 gig memory and do not have money to spend. |
| 22:48.28 | jelly | vl420: there's no magic to make it go faster. If you can, put more memory in, at least 2-4GiB. |
| 22:48.58 | jmcnaught | vl420: you could try using a zram disk for swap |
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| 22:49.11 | TomTomTosch | use something like i3wm. it takes some getting used to but uses as little resources as possible. |
| 22:49.15 | r6ku | ^ |
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| 22:49.50 | jelly | if it's swapping a lot there may be some worth in trying zram or zswap or whatever the current compressed-ram-pages-as-swap tech is called |
| 22:50.23 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, the last line |
| 22:50.27 | vl420 | jelly, it is not swapping a lot |
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| 22:50.48 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: does the file "/home///camera_snapshot.sh" actually exist? |
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| 22:51.08 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, yes, I just cut out several identifying things |
| 22:52.04 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, but that script isn't executable. ;) |
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| 22:57.06 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: did making the script +x fix it for you? another tidbit of advice i have for debugging cron stuff is to leave off the ">/dev/null 2>&1" when you're trying to figure out what's not working |
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| 22:58.20 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, I suppose. I did /bin/bash script |
| 22:58.28 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, waiting for it to work |
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| 23:00.02 | jackweb | Hello. I have already installed Debian stable. Is it possible to install gcc>5 on Jessie? I have only tried to add repository from stretch in order to install gcc-5, but it wanted to upgrade too many other packages - I did not allow. Is there any way to have quite recent compiler on stable? |
| 23:00.31 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, it works! |
| 23:01.28 | jmcnaught | jackweb: mixing stable and testing/stretch breaks your system, or upgrades it to stretch. probably your best bet is to use gcc5 in a stretch chroot or container |
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| 23:02.50 | iSlayWyverns | Debian is a stable branch or rolling release? |
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| 23:03.49 | jmcnaught | iSlayWyverns: Debian Stable (currently Jessie) is a stable branch. There are the development branches testing and unstable, but they're primarily for developing the next release |
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| 23:04.38 | iSlayWyverns | jmcnaught, a stable release is every... ? |
| 23:04.48 | jackweb | jmcnaught, thanks for the answer. I'll read about Linux containers |
| 23:05.17 | jmcnaught | iSlayWyverns: on average every two years. there is also a backports repository with select newer packages for the stable release |
| 23:05.40 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, thanks :D |
| 23:05.50 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: you're welcome :) |
| 23:06.06 | jackweb | jmcnaught, you mean: https://linuxcontainers.org/ ? |
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| 23:06.16 | vl420 | jmcnaught, how can i list the web browsers that backports repository has? |
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| 23:06.43 | jmcnaught | jackweb: consider checking out schroot, you can configure it so unprivileged users can start the chroot, and it can use your /home etc |
| 23:08.26 | jmcnaught | vl420: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages note however that backports packages are also not covered by the security team |
| 23:09.58 | jmcnaught | jackweb: LXC is one way you can have an isolated stretch installed on your system, but it might be more tricky to integrate with wherever you keep your source. presumably you want to use an editor/IDE in jessie to write stuff |
| 23:10.06 | markybob | vl420: you should probably look at http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 23:10.34 | vl420 | jmcnaught, what percentage of packages on jessie are not covered by the security team? |
| 23:10.54 | jackweb | jmcnaught, ok. so i'll try with schroot and debootstrap |
| 23:11.03 | jmcnaught | vl420: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#limited-security-support |
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| 23:12.35 | jmcnaught | vl420: honestly i think your best option is to use iceweasel/firefox with only a handful of add-ons like noscript and requestpolicy (both available as packages in debian). avoid using adblockplus, it can slow things down quite a bit |
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| 23:15.33 | ElTimo | jmcnaught, ublock origin is quite light. |
| 23:15.43 | ElTimo | Substantially moreso than ABP. |
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| 23:20.33 | vl420 | jmcnaught, thanks |
| 23:21.15 | jackweb | jmcnaught, THANKS for the help with schroot :) it's amazing! |
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| 23:27.35 | jmcnaught | vl420: jackweb: cheers :) |
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| 23:31.15 | vl420 | my pèntium 4 computer has a geforce4 mx 4000 (rev a4). How can i maximise its performance? do i have to tweak something or perhaps edit a config file by hand? |
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| 23:33.06 | ElTimo | vl420, Which drivers are you using? |
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| 23:33.19 | ElTimo | You'll probably have some trouble getting 3D acceleration on something that old. |
| 23:33.43 | vl420 | ElTimo, the ones that are installed by default on jessie |
| 23:33.54 | ElTimo | So nouveau, then. One sec. |
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| 23:35.18 | g00se | Using a vpn then stopping it is leaving me with borked DNS. How can i reset it so that names on my LAN are resolved properly? Am using NetworkManager |
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| 23:46.49 | vl420 | ElTimo, are you there? |
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| 23:47.34 | ElTimo | Sorry vl420, I'm at work, but yeah. |
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| 23:49.41 | vl420 | ElTimo, my pèntium 4 computer has a geforce4 mx 4000 (rev a4) whic is using nouveau. How can i maximise its performance? do i have to tweak something or perhaps edit a config file by hand? |
| 23:50.10 | ElTimo | You could try installing NVidia's proprietary drivers, but I don't know if they go back that far. |
| 23:50.22 | ElTimo | OH! That's right, they do. There's legacy drivers in the repos. One sec. |
| 23:51.36 | TomTomTosch | ye, even the legacy drivers don't go that far back. |
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| 23:54.08 | bluefive | Hello. |
| 23:54.20 | bluefive | Can you quickly help me determine if I have my home dir encrypted using ecryptfs? |
| 23:54.32 | bluefive | Anything I can type in the command line to tell me? |
| 23:54.38 | vl420 | ElTimo, TomTomTosch : thanks |
| 23:54.49 | ElTimo | TomTomTosch, That's what I was afraid of. The GeForce 4000 series is barely recognizable as a GPU compared to what we have today. |
| 23:55.02 | ElTimo | It's got like...one shader. And it was a big deal. |
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