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| 00:10.49 | Akuw | hi, i have a problem with my mail account, everytime i use it i get hundred of spam mails from my own email address |
| 00:11.03 | Akuw | so i have to remove from my server |
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| 00:17.24 | hermande | Does anybody know the difference for a remote and satellite on icinga? |
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| 00:20.21 | holms | not a related question to debian.. more to ansible but still.. maybe it's because /bin/sh is used.. "ps aux" doesn't work http://pastebin.com/raw/iUeUGZ4K |
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| 00:25.30 | Brigo | holms, try /bin/ps aux |
| 00:25.39 | hermande | holms, You should use the shell module in ansible. |
| 00:26.15 | hermande | holms, -m shell |
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| 00:44.45 | jadew | look what I found: http://i.imgur.com/XZURkKb.png |
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| 00:54.31 | miesco | How would one disable mpd on startup (in /etc/initd)? |
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| 00:59.38 | teraflops | miesco: update-rc.d |
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| 00:59.58 | miesco | teraflops: I tried `update-rc.d mpd disable` but it said it was deprecated. |
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| 01:00.44 | teraflops | miesco: I do a custom systemd-service for mpd but if i remember well it uses a sysvinit script by default |
| 01:01.39 | teraflops | miesco: then tried `sudo systemctl-disable mpd` ? |
| 01:02.14 | teraflops | I guess it has to work |
| 01:02.51 | miesco | teraflops: I think it will work, but I am wondering what the new and improved way is. Is it `systemctl-disable mpd`? |
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| 01:04.02 | teraflops | it woks even for the stuff that is in /etc/init.d and has no systemd unit file, so I guess it's ok |
| 01:04.11 | teraflops | works* |
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| 01:53.03 | LinuxGuy2020 | Can installing things from debian backports repository introduce instability? I reinstalled without deb-multimedia cause I was sure some of the gnome 3 bugs I see came from there cause I know how stable the base system is.But Im still seeing the same few bugs but I have backports in my sources and if they are not considered as stable as the official repos then I will reinstall without those as well. |
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| 01:54.38 | jmcnaught | LinuxGuy2020: reinstalling probably isn't necessary. backports aren't as tested as stuff in the main repos, and are not covered by the security team. it's recommended to only take what you need from backports, not to use everything in it |
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| 01:56.01 | LinuxGuy2020 | ok thank you |
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| 01:59.11 | Igel | hello, when i do a simulated dist-upgrade with apt-get.. it gives me: 80 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 259 to remove and 9 not upgraded. |
| 02:00.12 | jmcnaught | !bat |
| 02:00.12 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 02:00.24 | jmcnaught | Igel: can you do the above please? |
| 02:01.00 | Igel | thanks ok |
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| 02:07.35 | hermande | anybody up on icinga? |
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| 02:08.48 | Micky | Hey I'm trying to build a kernel with grsecurity. When I run "patch -p1 < ../grsecurity-3.1-4.4.6-201603221748.patch" is an output like this normal? http://pastebin.com/AGXEM6ZY |
| 02:10.03 | miesco | Something weird is happening. When I enter a new tmux window, $? is not 0. When I type enter, $? is still not 0. If I type a command, it is 0, then after that, just enter has $? set to 0 after... |
| 02:10.23 | miesco | I didn't even change anything in my .bashrc that would effect this... |
| 02:12.00 | Igel | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/419054/ |
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| 02:12.27 | Igel | i was over the limit with individiual policy pkg1, and pkg2, and the commands used.. and etc.. i think may be this would help? |
| 02:12.59 | jmcnaught | Igel: maybe not crucial, but the command you're using and the output always helps |
| 02:13.06 | markybob | Igel: oh so you have a frankendebian. that makes sense |
| 02:13.17 | Igel | i know i did 1 thing... |
| 02:13.23 | jmcnaught | Igel: it looks like you've got a mix of jessie and stretch though, so that's bound ot cause problems |
| 02:13.25 | Igel | or two or three.. |
| 02:13.36 | Igel | i thought i weighted it |
| 02:13.37 | markybob | !tell igel about frankendebian |
| 02:13.53 | jmcnaught | Igel: the way apt works it doesn't know that you only want one or two things from the stretch/testing repos. the two are not meant to be mixed |
| 02:14.11 | Igel | and i have to specifically choose a different version for my video driver, i get sid for intel-xorg |
| 02:14.34 | jmcnaught | Igel: if you want newer versions of some packages on a stable system, the correct place to get them is http://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 02:15.01 | Igel | i followed this: https://www.slightfuture.com/how-to/debian-newer-intel-graphics |
| 02:15.06 | Igel | (i even bookmarked it)... |
| 02:15.10 | markybob | Igel: you've broken it beyond support, to be honest. |
| 02:15.27 | Igel | im not sure thats the case.. debian is quite resilient.. |
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| 02:15.41 | jmcnaught | Igel: apt will always try to use the newest version of a package. if you have jessie, stretch, unstable all listed, it will pick the version from unstable. pinning is something people try to use to work around this, but that's not really recommended either |
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| 02:15.46 | Igel | ive already done at least a dozen dist-upgrades since doing this, something occured upstream |
| 02:15.57 | somiaj | there are backports for the intel drivers for jessie, I think the backports can support skylake |
| 02:16.07 | miesco | How could I debug this $? being non-zero when I hit enter? |
| 02:16.20 | Igel | how is that true, the website says it will ignore all of them unless expressly told otherwise |
| 02:16.34 | jmcnaught | Igel: your paste of "apt-cache policy" doesn't show any pinned packages, and anyways that blog/how-to is just plain bad advice |
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| 02:17.09 | jmcnaught | Igel: if you've done a bunch of dist-upgrades then you are using unstable, which breaks sometimes |
| 02:17.10 | somiaj | espically since the version being talked about is in backports |
| 02:18.24 | Igel | dist-upgrade just goes to the latest every time? |
| 02:18.33 | Igel | i dont know why pinning is missing either.. |
| 02:18.39 | Igel | but the files and everything is there |
| 02:18.59 | Igel | and the xorg support of opengl has been great.. |
| 02:19.05 | Igel | *sigh* |
| 02:19.09 | jmcnaught | Igel: pinning isn't a very good idea with stable anyways. the best way to do it is to use stable + backports (only a few, not all backports) |
| 02:19.19 | Igel | i believe you... |
| 02:20.08 | jmcnaught | unfortunately there's a lot of crappy advice out there on blogs and forums, instructions from people who don't know what they're talking about, or only manage to get it to work at first but don't consider consequences down the line |
| 02:20.19 | Igel | i hate blogs/forums, yes.. |
| 02:20.47 | Igel | somiaj: aah ok |
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| 02:21.23 | Igel | so i should remove the testing repo.. |
| 02:21.34 | Igel | and add backports, |
| 02:21.53 | Igel | hmm, i knew the risks.. |
| 02:22.04 | jmcnaught | Igel: it's too late for that. you're on a stretch system now. if you want to use stable/jessie you need to reinstall |
| 02:22.17 | Igel | the tearing of the screen was not acceptible.. the 3d cube in KDE is acceptible heh.. |
| 02:22.26 | Igel | yeahp.. |
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| 02:22.56 | Igel | so ok |
| 02:23.10 | Igel | no worries, debian is the most stable OS i've ever run |
| 02:23.23 | Igel | last question before i run off |
| 02:23.37 | Igel | aah.. oh and thanks for the help |
| 02:23.49 | Igel | forgets last question |
| 02:23.55 | acidchild | ? |
| 02:24.15 | Igel | oh |
| 02:24.18 | Igel | yes |
| 02:24.26 | Igel | why would dist-uprade want to -remove- all those packages? |
| 02:24.38 | Igel | while just a apt-get upgrade, will upgrade them.. |
| 02:25.24 | jmcnaught | Igel: check the man page for apt-get. "upgrade" will upgrade packages that don't require other packages to be installed or removed. "dist-upgrade" handles upgrades for packages with changed dependencies that need to install/remove other packages |
| 02:25.58 | Igel | so Ok |
| 02:26.06 | Igel | may be libc changed? |
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| 02:26.50 | jmcnaught | Igel: maybe? i didn't see the output of your dist-upgrade command, and i don't stay current with stretch... i just tinker with an unstable VM every once in a whlie |
| 02:27.31 | Igel | aye |
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| 02:29.08 | Igel | i think thats it |
| 02:29.09 | Igel | Inst libc6-i386 [2.19-18+deb8u3] (2.22-3 httpredir.debian.org [amd64]) |
| 02:29.11 | somiaj | Igel: yes, libc6 in testing/unstable had a major transition shortly after the release of jessie. Lots of ABIs changed |
| 02:29.15 | Igel | yep |
| 02:29.29 | somiaj | It was part of the gcc-5 transition |
| 02:29.56 | Igel | well, hey |
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| 02:30.27 | Igel | again, debian 8 on x1 carbon .. best laptop / workhorse i've ever had |
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| 02:31.14 | Igel | i highly recomend getting one, it supports 2k screen, and i guess the opengl support is now in backports .. |
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| 02:32.28 | Igel | thanks for your time #debian |
| 02:32.38 | Igel | wanders off looking for double size ssd for a reinstall + upgrade |
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| 03:08.49 | semitones | Hello, I'm trying to install pulseaudio so I can stream all sounds to my rpi. However, when I install pulseaudio, I don't see /etc/default/pulseaudio which has the setting to start it on boot. Is there a reason it's not getting that config file? |
| 03:09.34 | AlexPortable | I editted the iso file, but now debian installed can't find /install.amd/vmlinuz |
| 03:09.34 | somiaj | systemd doesn't really use those files, maybe it is no longer used in jessie |
| 03:09.39 | AlexPortable | did I do something wrong? |
| 03:10.11 | somiaj | AlexPortable: you need to be careful, debian .iso files contain a lot of additional info like boot info, editing the iso can easily destory the ability for the iso to boot |
| 03:10.17 | somiaj | AlexPortable: what are you trying to achive? |
| 03:10.23 | AlexPortable | adding preseed to it |
| 03:10.42 | somiaj | is this on a usb drive? |
| 03:10.50 | AlexPortable | its on iso |
| 03:11.09 | somiaj | I mean do you put the iso on a usbdrive to install from or doing a netboot? |
| 03:11.17 | AlexPortable | i load the iso in virtualbox |
| 03:11.34 | somiaj | I am unsure the proper way to make a preseed available, but I don't think you do it by editing the iso. One second |
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| 03:14.55 | somiaj | AlexPortable: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso |
| 03:14.59 | somiaj | AlexPortable: did you follow that info? |
| 03:15.04 | AlexPortable | nope im on windows |
| 03:15.06 | AlexPortable | can't put those commands |
| 03:15.35 | markybob | AlexPortable: you said you were using virtualbox. make a linux virtualbox then do them |
| 03:15.49 | AlexPortable | you mean in virtualbox mount the image |
| 03:16.04 | somiaj | AlexPortable: you may have to do a manual install to get to a place you have the tools to properly put the preseed in the iso |
| 03:16.17 | somiaj | AlexPortable: or you will have to make the preseed available as a file on anohter vitual disk |
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| 03:17.12 | AlexPortable | http://www.winiso.com/support/tutorials/make-bootable-iso.html |
| 03:17.14 | AlexPortable | I tried this now |
| 03:17.17 | AlexPortable | but to no avail |
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| 03:18.46 | markybob | !win32diskimager |
| 03:18.47 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 03:19.36 | somiaj | that probably wont' help this case, but debian iso's are very complciated (they support usb and cd boot, along with both efi and legacy boot). Standard methods for making an iso bootable don't work with debian isos |
| 03:19.49 | somiaj | hence create a linux vm and follow the offical documentation for putting the preseed int he iso |
| 03:19.50 | AlexPortable | oh |
| 03:19.57 | AlexPortable | so no easy way to merge the preseed.cfg file into it? |
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| 03:20.19 | AlexPortable | but well |
| 03:20.22 | AlexPortable | it boots, but only cant find vmlinuz |
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| 03:23.10 | somiaj | AlexPortable: since vmlinuz is the kernel, it really isn't booting. (: |
| 03:23.16 | AlexPortable | oh |
| 03:23.20 | AlexPortable | any way I can diagnose why it cant find it? |
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| 03:24.17 | somiaj | You could look into how debian isos are made and why they are differnt than normal bootable isos, but I think just using a non modified iso, installing and building your new iso with proper tools will be the safest and fastest method |
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| 03:26.02 | AlexPortable | oh it works now |
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| 03:27.32 | AlexPortable | append auto file=/pre.seed |
| 03:27.35 | AlexPortable | is this correct? |
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| 03:29.33 | AlexPortable | preconfiguration could not be retrieved from file:///preseed/preseed.cfg |
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| 03:43.50 | AlexPortable | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.56 | AlexPortable | Why does this generates kernel panic? |
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| 03:48.15 | semitones | General question -- is daemontools still a supported way to do things? |
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| 03:48.43 | semitones | I basically just want to run pulseaudio as a user service, that's always running in the background |
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| 03:49.07 | somiaj | semitones: systemd can do most of that directly, so you don't need daemontools |
| 03:49.47 | somiaj | semitones: you could create a systemd unit file that will run pulseaudio as the desired user and even monintor it and keep it running |
| 03:49.56 | somiaj | the unit file will probably be a few lines long |
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| 03:51.36 | semitones | somiaj, so systemd doesn't automatically use system-wide mode? |
| 03:51.41 | semitones | it can use user mode? |
| 03:51.49 | semitones | also, how does localrc fit into the mix? |
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| 03:53.52 | somiaj | semitones: what do you mean by that? |
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| 03:54.14 | somiaj | semitones: systemd is set up to run /etc/rc.local as the last script during boot |
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| 03:55.04 | somiaj | semitones: systemd can be configured to run services as any user (even has user configured services). As for what the defaults with pulseaudio are, I dont' know, maybe it is only run on user login. I don't use pulse |
| 03:55.11 | AlexPortable | append auto=true url=http://127.0.0.1/preseed.cfg vga=788 initrd=/install/initrd.gz |
| 03:55.14 | AlexPortable | Why does this gives me kernel panic? |
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| 03:55.34 | semitones | thanks! so if I put "pulseaudio -D" in rc.local, then it will run it as a service, and keep it running? I've heard that pulseaudio likes to run after user login better |
| 03:55.43 | AlexPortable | not syncing VFS: unable to mount roof fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 03:56.09 | semitones | somiaj, I'm a little confused though -- if I run my raspberry pi as a headless server, is it even logged into an users when it starts up? |
| 03:56.14 | somiaj | semitones: then most likely that is why debian dose this. Problem is that will run as root |
| 03:56.29 | somiaj | semitones: might be best to write a service file to have it run as your user and not as root |
| 03:56.39 | semitones | that sounds doable |
| 03:56.53 | somiaj | just look up systemd unit files, you should be able to piece together an example easily enough |
| 03:57.00 | somiaj | then put it in /etc/systemd/system/ |
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| 03:59.48 | AlexPortable | What's the difference between selecting an entry on the boot screen vs pressing esc? |
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| 04:00.31 | somiaj | AlexPortable: preseed just automates the whole install. Any reason you don't want to just do a manual install? |
| 04:00.43 | AlexPortable | i want to do preseed |
| 04:00.49 | AlexPortable | automate it tall |
| 04:00.54 | somiaj | AlexPortable: then once you have a linux vm up, you can correctly put the preseed in the inird file and then make aonther install |
| 04:01.19 | AlexPortable | yes but the problem is i have it there |
| 04:01.29 | AlexPortable | but when I press tab to edit boot option it will just ignore me what i put in |
| 04:01.41 | AlexPortable | Press ENTER to boot or TAB to edit a menu entry |
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| 04:01.53 | AlexPortable | I press tab and write preseed/url=http://iphere/preseed.cfg |
| 04:03.02 | Rusty1_ | try using the ip addy instead of the hostname? |
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| 04:03.12 | AlexPortable | im using ip addressd |
| 04:03.21 | AlexPortable | but when i press esc I get a black interface with 'boot:' |
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| 04:03.24 | AlexPortable | and if i type the ip there it works fine |
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| 04:10.05 | semitones | somiaj, I got most of the way there, except I don't see a spot in the unit file to tell systemd what user to run the service as? |
| 04:10.23 | semitones | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User |
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| 04:11.16 | AlexPortable | can someone help me out here? |
| 04:11.23 | somiaj | semitones: User=username |
| 04:11.37 | AlexPortable | whats the difference between the boot menu (press tab to edit a menu entry) and when i press esc and type my command there |
| 04:11.52 | somiaj | semitones: oh systemd user, you probabaly can't specificy username that way, it will default as your user |
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| 04:14.31 | semitones | somiaj, should I create the service in /etc/systemd/$username ? |
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| 04:15.46 | somiaj | semitones: unsure the details. You could create a system service in /etc/systemd/system/mypulse.service |
| 04:16.12 | jmcnaught | semitones: a user's systemd units can go in ~/.config/systemd/user (look at systemd.unit(5) for locations) |
| 04:16.13 | somiaj | semitones: and just have it run as your nomal user. |
| 04:16.41 | semitones | thanks. i've heard that pulseaudio wants to be run as a user service - I'm just unsure how to do this from a headless server. |
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| 04:17.07 | semitones | if I put it in ~/.config, will it get run at bootup, before a user logs in? |
| 04:17.08 | somiaj | multiple ways. |
| 04:17.21 | somiaj | unsure, I'm not familar with systemd --user |
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| 04:18.05 | jmcnaught | semitones: oh.. a user's systemd units are used in a user session (when they're logged in at least once) |
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| 04:19.15 | jmcnaught | semitones: if you want a service unit to start at boot it belongs in /etc/systemd/system, and you would use the User= directive to set the user it should run as (see systemd.exec(5)) |
| 04:20.01 | semitones | jmcnaught, there's also something on the wiki that says you can start a user service without any users logging in -- I think the thing that was confusing me is that "systemd" is the user |
| 04:20.24 | semitones | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User#Automatic_start-up_of_systemd_user_instances |
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| 04:20.50 | semitones | but if that's the case, I don't know what to put for "username" |
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| 04:21.17 | somiaj | put in your users username |
| 04:21.21 | somiaj | the user you want to run the process as |
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| 04:22.34 | semitones | Ok, done. So does that mean that systemd --user will run all the services in /etc/systemd/user/ as my username (patrick) |
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| 04:24.09 | jmcnaught | semitones: the difference (AFAIK) with using the loginctl enable-linger is that it's going to start a separate instance of systemd running as that user at boot (just like the systemd user instance launched by logind when you login). If you just want the system to start a service running as a specific user (eg a daemon running as a system user) then putting the service unit in /etc/systemd/system and usin |
| 04:24.15 | jmcnaught | g the User= directive in the unit file ... |
| 04:24.17 | jmcnaught | ... is probably a better way |
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| 04:24.26 | jmcnaught | hmmm... gee thanks splitlong.pl :/ |
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| 04:25.57 | han-solo | Anybody know how to convert a .dvr format file to avi/mkv? |
| 04:27.11 | semitones | Oh I see what you mean. Yes, that sounds like it would work. So I would get a pulseaudio daemon running as my user, without that user getting logged in. THat makse sense! Thanks! |
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| 04:30.35 | semitones | jmcnaught, I'm looking, but I don't see a user= directive. I see SocketUser= is that what I want? |
| 04:31.10 | jmcnaught | semitones: where are you looking? in "man systemd.exec" ? |
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| 04:32.04 | semitones | I looked it up here: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/understanding-systemd-units-and-unit-files |
| 04:32.52 | semitones | i do see it in man systemd.exec |
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| 04:34.44 | jmcnaught | semitones: there's also systemd.service for more general directives that can be used in service units, and systemd.unit for directives available to all unit types |
| 04:35.15 | AlexPortable | boot: /install.amd/vmlinuz failed: No such file or directory |
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| 04:36.43 | semitones | jmcnaught, i'm a little confused about whether I can use the user= directive, and if so, do I put it under [Unit], [Service], or [Install]? |
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| 04:38.28 | semitones | looks like it goes under [Service] according to google :) |
| 04:38.46 | AlexPortable | anyone? |
| 04:38.56 | jmcnaught | semitones: yes. also according to the top of that man page :) |
| 04:39.29 | semitones | i must have read the top of the man page 3 times and not understood that :p |
| 04:39.49 | AlexPortable | i give up.. |
| 04:39.55 | jmcnaught | semitones: most of the time google's going to have correct info, but systemd has been evolving pretty quickly so you want to make sure what you read is relevant to the version used by Jessie. The locally installed man pages will always be correct. |
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| 04:41.03 | jmcnaught | semitones: and i know what you mean, reading man pages is a skill that gets better with practice. some man pages are better than others, the systemd ones are somewhat terse but you'll get used to them :) |
| 04:41.36 | semitones | thanks - i'll check the man pages :) I think the trick is to read each sentence, every word. You never know where the information will be! |
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| 04:44.03 | bluesixr | Is it normal for there to be some white noise when I plug in my headphones? |
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| 04:44.42 | somiaj | it isn't uncommon, audio wiring isn't always the best |
| 04:44.48 | swift110-phone | Hmm that's annoying |
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| 04:45.23 | somiaj | bluesixr: once you them pluged in it stops? |
| 04:46.02 | bluesixr | No. |
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| 04:46.14 | somiaj | bluesixr: are you sure you aren't plugging it into a mic port? |
| 04:46.20 | bluesixr | There's a subtle white noise when my output volume isn't muted. |
| 04:46.31 | bluesixr | Yes. There's only one port on my mini PC. |
| 04:46.42 | bluesixr | It's directly into the audio component of the board. |
| 04:46.48 | r6ku | bluesixr: is it the same on other devices or just your pc? |
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| 04:47.29 | bluesixr | On my Microsoft Surface it's silent. |
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| 04:49.06 | semitones | bluesixr, do you have a usb sound device you could test it on? |
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| 04:49.29 | bluesixr | What's a USB sound device? |
| 04:49.58 | bluesixr | https://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=usb+sound+card |
| 04:50.00 | bluesixr | Ah, like this? |
| 04:50.05 | bluesixr | Are USB sound cards good? |
| 04:50.31 | semitones | alright, this is how my brand new service looks now. I think I understand everything in it - it's connecting to a dbus name, and waiting until another service starts up. I'm not sure why, but copying from other people anyway :) |
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| 04:51.10 | semitones | bluesixr, they can be better than the audio jack things come with. The raspberry pi for instance has a notorious crackle in the built in jack. The usb card is a little better |
| 04:51.20 | bluesixr | "The static has been reduced by 80-90% compared to on-board audio" |
| 04:51.24 | bluesixr | https://www.amazon.ca/TROND-Headphone-Microphone-Plug-N-Play-Compatible/dp/B014ANW4VU/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1459054181&sr=8-6&keywords=usb+sound+card |
| 04:51.27 | bluesixr | Think this is a good one? |
| 04:51.55 | semitones | bluesixr, it looks better than mine! |
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| 04:52.12 | bluesixr | OK, I'll give it a try. |
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| 05:36.05 | bluesixr | What do I do to get my audio to output through the USB connection? |
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| 05:36.46 | somiaj | bluesixr: once you plug in the usb audio device, it may just detect it. In thtat case you can configure alsa or pulse to use the new audo device just like any other |
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| 05:48.10 | han-solo | do i have to do ./configure for every extracted tar ball? |
| 05:48.47 | somiaj | han-solo: depends on the tar you get, but that is the common way to deal with lots of source tars. |
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| 05:50.09 | han-solo | i extracted a tar ball and it only have setup.py |
| 05:50.20 | han-solo | what should i do to install/ |
| 05:50.34 | somiaj | probabaly get support from the place that made the tar for you |
| 05:50.54 | han-solo | okay |
| 05:51.03 | somiaj | but python code doesn't need to be compiled, you just need the correct version of python installed. Unsure how to best deal with python setup.py files, if you need to run it through pip or what not |
| 05:52.10 | somiaj | my guess is you can just run it with python setup.py, but you may want to make sure it dosen't need flags to install it nicely |
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| 07:01.37 | hanshenrik | tftpd-hpa refuse connections from remote ips. 127.0.0.1 works fine, i've got no idea why, the ip is directly reachable, there's no firewall of any kind, |
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| 07:01.54 | hanshenrik | any suggestions? |
| 07:02.23 | hanshenrik | its possible that it'd accept connections from the same LAN, but i dont got any other ips on that lan, and it'd be expensive to aquire any |
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| 07:03.16 | hanshenrik | every other server running on it (nginx http, ssh, transmission torrent) works just fine |
| 07:04.48 | hanshenrik | /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --listen --user tftp --address 0.0.0.0:69 --secure /srv/tftp |
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| 07:05.28 | meseira | hello |
| 07:05.50 | hanshenrik | (secure is _SUPPOSED_ to merely be a chroot jail-like thing, forcing /srv/tftp to be root, according to the docs) |
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| 07:06.29 | meseira | since yesterday, I try to get my printer Brother DCP-7040 working with Debian Jessie |
| 07:07.17 | meseira | I did a lot of things to try in Debian Jessie, Debian Stretch andd Ubuntu 16.04 beta2 |
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| 07:08.50 | meseira | Nothing has worked for me in Debian Jessie/Stretch when the stuff is so ease in Ubuntu, it suffices to add i386 architecture and install libc6:i386 for being able to install Brother's drivers through multiarch |
| 07:10.02 | meseira | unfortunately, the same procedure doesn't work with Debian, I can install the drivers (no bug or error reported) and the printer claim every time that everything is good but it doesn't print anything :-/ |
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| 07:11.02 | meseira | I don't think that my problem is limited to my printer but it should be quite general with i386 packages like the Brother's driver. |
| 07:11.48 | meseira | thus, full of hope, I ask again here is someone success to install a Brother DCP printer in Jessie? |
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| 07:18.40 | jmcnaught | meseira: there's a printer-driver-brlaser package that lists a model close to yours in its description available in Debian, worth a try maybe? |
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| 07:22.20 | jmcnaught | meseira: i installed brother printer/scanner drivers for my father's computer on Wheezy at one point. I don't remember having to do much more than enable multi-arch support and install the .debs from the brother site. If the debs you installed didn't give you any errors, maybe check the cups logs for clues. It seems I don't even have cups installed on this computer. |
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| 07:27.11 | jmcnaught | meseira: i'm pretty sure multi-arch existed in wheezy and ia32-libs was just a transition dummy package |
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| 07:28.44 | jmcnaught | meseira: https://wiki.debian.org/Dissecting%20and%20Debugging%20the%20CUPS%20Printing%20System#The_CUPS_Error_Log seems like you can increase the log level |
| 07:30.49 | jmcnaught | meseira: it doesn't help for your current problem, but make sure the next printer you buy supports some standard printing language like postscript or PCL |
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| 07:32.58 | meseira | jmcnaught: yeap, I know that I have to take care of that... I did not buy this DCP-7040, someone gives me and it works like a charm (when it works) |
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| 07:46.50 | jmcnaught | meseira: i looked at the LPR driver and cupswrapper packages from the brother website, and i'm hardly an expert on CUPS, but it seems to me like the two packages provide a wrapper for CUPS that lets it use the older style LPR driver |
| 07:47.50 | jmcnaught | meseira: also part of that wrapper seems to be a script that includes lines to delete .PPD files from elsewhere on the system, so you might not be able to have both the printer-driver-brlaser and brother packages installed at the same time |
| 07:48.23 | jmcnaught | meseira: did that printer-driver-brlaser package work at all? the readme seemed to suggest that it might work with other printers |
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| 07:51.50 | jmcnaught | meseira: heh i read that cups wrapper script more closely and the stuff its deleting is part of its own uninstall script (not the package's postrm script), kinda weird, but probably won't delete files from that printer-driver-brlaser package |
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| 07:56.05 | meseira | jmcnaught: these packages are written in old and poor style |
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| 07:56.37 | jmcnaught | meseira: agreed, and seem to package what was at one point a script that can add or remove stuff |
| 07:57.12 | meseira | jmcnaught: don't give too much attention to what they do... there exists a Debian project to handle them in a better way |
| 07:57.26 | jmcnaught | meseira: i wouldn't be surprised if part of the problem is that this wrapper script is failing silently because of a file that is missing or something |
| 07:57.52 | lubarch | anybody running debian on macbook air mid 2013? |
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| 07:58.28 | jmcnaught | lubarch: probably. are you trying to see if it will work, or are you having a problem? |
| 07:58.42 | lubarch | I am about to install |
| 07:58.58 | lubarch | don't know if it will work |
| 07:59.48 | meseira | jmcnaught: damn it, the package printer-driver-brlaser provides a driver for DCP-7030 that seems to work for DCP-7040! |
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| 08:00.43 | meseira | jmcnaught: thx for this package, I had missed it during one whole day ;-) |
| 08:01.09 | jmcnaught | lubarch: the debian wiki has several "installing on" pages for different computers, that would be a good place to start looking, and then after that google. it probably works though |
| 08:01.19 | meseira | jmcnaught: I will do more tries to confirm that but it could be great if a package from stable main repo make this printer work! |
| 08:01.31 | jmcnaught | meseira: nice! |
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| 08:02.44 | jmcnaught | meseira: i bet the upstream auther would appreciate knowing it works for your model too: https://github.com/pdewacht/brlaser |
| 08:03.26 | lubarch | jmcnaught: that is okay |
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| 08:10.31 | fearnothing | question about rsyslog: if I want to send my bind logs to a remote syslog server, where do I configure that? |
| 08:10.54 | fearnothing | I tried adding items to my rsyslog.conf but either I did it wrong, or it's not possible to do there |
| 08:11.13 | fearnothing | and I can't see anything in the bind9 documentation that tells me how |
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| 08:14.05 | meseira | jmcnaught: yeap, if all is good, I will send a huge thank to the author ;-) |
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| 08:14.25 | jmcnaught | fearnothing: i haven't done it before, but it would be in rsyslog that you configure this, not bind9 |
| 08:14.48 | jmd | systemd is using 30% of my CPU. How can I find out what it is doing and tell it to behave? |
| 08:14.49 | jmcnaught | meseira: hopefully you never have to deal with those awful .debs from the brother site again :) |
| 08:15.50 | jmcnaught | jmd: any clues in the journal? |
| 08:16.16 | jmd | Which one? |
| 08:16.42 | jmcnaught | jmd: run "journalctl" as a member of the adm group or as root |
| 08:16.59 | jmd | syslogd says "systemd[1]: Looping too fast. Throttling execution a little." |
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| 08:19.41 | meseira | jmcnaught: yes, it would wonderful to finally be able to forget these old, closed source and painful Brother's packages ;-) |
| 08:19.51 | jmcnaught | jmd: maybe it's this? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=789796 |
| 08:19.52 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/789796 in systemd (open): «systemd[1]: Looping too fast. Throttling execution a little.»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-06-24; last modified: 2016-03-24. |
| 08:21.56 | jmd | It seems similar. |
| 08:22.15 | jmd | Unfortunately that bug doesn't seem to have a resolution. |
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| 08:24.06 | jmcnaught | jmd: i only skimmed it, but it seemed like they had a potential fix backported and the maintainer was waiting for some feedback, hoping to include it in a point release |
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| 08:24.21 | jmcnaught | jmd: are you swapping a lot before this happens like the others in the bug? |
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| 08:24.47 | jmd | Not so far as I'm aware. |
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| 08:26.43 | jmd | The only other thing that journalctl shows is a continued attempt from a Chinese IP to ssh as root. |
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| 08:28.18 | jiggawattz | lol |
| 08:28.19 | jiggawattz | chinese |
| 08:28.24 | jiggawattz | luv them commie hackers |
| 08:28.32 | jmd | jmcnaught: Actually, now that you mention it, perhaps there was a lot of swapping about 15 mins ago. |
| 08:28.46 | jmd | But it that process is stopped now. |
| 08:29.03 | jmcnaught | jmd: that could be what triggered it, any message about OOM killer? |
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| 08:29.38 | jmd | No. |
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| 08:54.39 | jolt | Interesting, I have been thinking about pam_geoip, so maybe I should get that going just to limit some attempts to access my system from countries I'm definitely not going to go to |
| 08:54.49 | jmd | Well it looks like I have to reboot. |
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| 08:55.12 | jolt | iptables -m geoip might be the answer |
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| 08:56.44 | jmd | Oh wonderful shutdown doesn't work anymore. |
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| 08:58.29 | jolt | jmd: There is a proc-thingie to reboot, maybe try that? |
| 08:58.53 | jolt | https://major.io/2009/01/29/linux-emergency-reboot-or-shutdown-with-magic-commands/ |
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| 09:06.03 | hanshenrik | http://prntscr.com/akldq0 |
| 09:06.14 | hanshenrik | er |
| 09:06.15 | hanshenrik | http://i.imgur.com/L62bvwt.png |
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| 09:06.39 | hanshenrik | this is a PXE network boot, there is no cd on the computer, |
| 09:07.08 | hanshenrik | ... and i got the wrong vmlinuz |
| 09:07.12 | hanshenrik | nvm |
| 09:07.16 | jolt | hanshenrik: :D |
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| 09:09.58 | cluelessperson | What is this "systemctl" or "systemd" bs? |
| 09:10.20 | cluelessperson | it seems that almost every service I try to run now is plagued by systemctl's ugly mouth telling me it failed |
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| 09:11.32 | cluelessperson | so frustrating |
| 09:11.43 | CyberpunkZ | hey man im using debian 8.3 and running gnome3 on it .. on my laptop the touchpad stop working doesn't move the mouse cursor i have install a later version of linux using jessie-backports |
| 09:11.54 | cluelessperson | also. "service something start" goes to "systemctl something.service start" ? wtf |
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| 09:12.08 | CyberpunkZ | if i plug in a mouse it works, just not the touchpad on the laptop itself |
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| 09:12.53 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: it's just the new init system used by default in jessie. if you have services failing to start, you can make pastebins of errors or logs to get some help |
| 09:13.19 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, That's the thing. I |
| 09:13.26 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, so far, I don't get any errors at all. |
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| 09:13.49 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, I'm asking why a new init system that is difficult to use is being introduced. |
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| 09:13.58 | cluelessperson | This kind of thing increases the learning curve |
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| 09:14.32 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: i don't find it difficult, and in a lot of ways it's easier than the old stuff. there's also plenty of documentation around for it |
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| 09:15.22 | jmcnaught | CyberpunkZ: do you mean you're using a newer linux kernel from jessie-backports? does your laptop have a shortcut key to disable trackpad? |
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| 09:17.24 | jmcnaught | CyberpunkZ: if it's one of those synaptics touchpads you may need to read https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
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| 09:18.37 | kmq | on a fresh jessie install in /etc/network/interfaces.d/static I add the 'dns-nameservers' line, but after booting they are missing in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 09:19.15 | kmq | I found them in "cat /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original" |
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| 09:19.33 | kmq | with a note saying "# Generated by udhcpc for eth0" |
| 09:20.22 | kmq | I'm a little bit confused, doesn't resolvconf parse the dns-nameservers line ? |
| 09:20.57 | kmq | am I understanding NetworkConfiguration on the debian wiki incorrectly ? |
| 09:21.32 | kmq | udhcpc isn't even installed in the first place |
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| 09:23.57 | jmcnaught | kmq: is the dns-nameservers line part of an iface stanza, or just a single line in the file you made? |
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| 09:25.03 | kmq | it's part of the stanza |
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| 09:25.48 | kmq | I even double checked that there aren't any hidden tabs or anything |
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| 09:26.31 | kmq | If that is relevant, it's an encrypted system that's unlocked remotely via ssh |
| 09:26.40 | kmq | so it has network connectivity in the initrd |
| 09:26.58 | kmq | but the initrd shouldn't share network configuration with the main system, right ? |
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| 09:28.06 | CyberpunkZ | dude touchpad just stop working on debian 8 inside gnome |
| 09:28.19 | CyberpunkZ | is there something missing or is this a bug ? |
| 09:28.44 | CyberpunkZ | it was working until a reboot and now it just doesn't want to work anymore |
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| 09:31.08 | floatd | I can't ping lan address |
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| 09:31.18 | Guest24521 | http://oortr.com/ZjllYz |
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| 09:32.00 | floatd | I get 100% package loss |
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| 09:33.35 | kmq | floatd: you need to describe your problem better, for all I know you're just pinging the wrong address |
| 09:33.52 | floatd | I know my lan address is 192.168.1.1 |
| 09:34.02 | floatd | when I ping it I get 100% package loss |
| 09:34.09 | floatd | I have internet though |
| 09:34.21 | kmq | there is no such thing as a "lan address" |
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| 09:35.48 | floatd | IPv4: LAN IP Address 192.168.1.1 |
| 09:36.25 | rozie | floatd: show output of ip a (on pastebin) |
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| 09:36.44 | Guest24521 | http://shrinkmy.com/ZFmSN1C6 |
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| 09:37.18 | floatd | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e8fe0e4ff67ba52f52c0 |
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| 09:38.00 | rozie | as we can see there, you don't have LAN address and your IP is 94.22.84.9 |
| 09:38.12 | floatd | When I look in Device info -- DHCP Leases |
| 09:38.19 | floatd | I don't seem my own computer |
| 09:38.28 | kmq | when you look where ? |
| 09:38.35 | floatd | How do I get a LAN Address? |
| 09:38.50 | floatd | My routers homepage is tplinkmodem.net it's local |
| 09:39.21 | floatd | I can look in Device Info > DHCP there I can see Hostnames, MAC address and more |
| 09:39.36 | rozie | how do you connect to router? |
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| 09:41.00 | rozie | 1. get IP from DHCP |
| 09:41.16 | rozie | 2. IIRC tplinklogin.net works only if you are connected via router |
| 09:41.20 | floatd | How do I get IP from DHCP? |
| 09:41.40 | floatd | It's a Modem/Router |
| 09:41.47 | rozie | 3. default IP of tplink routers is 192.168.0.1 AFAIK |
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| 09:42.03 | Guest24521 | http://shrinkmy.com/ZFmSN1C6 |
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| 09:42.43 | floatd | This goes over my head |
| 09:42.53 | rozie | last but not least - describe full network topology and answer questions you are asked |
| 09:42.58 | rozie | bbl |
| 09:42.58 | floatd | so I'm connceted to the modem? |
| 09:43.18 | floatd | Did you go away? |
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| 10:27.27 | hanshenrik | I know the C language - but this still doesn't make sense to me: http://i.imgur.com/xZjPOA5.png |
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| 10:27.55 | ksk | hanshenrik: Id guess its asking about which "locale" to use. |
| 10:28.02 | GNU\colossus | hanshenrik, that refers to the "C" locale that's going to be used. |
| 10:28.05 | ksk | where did you see that? |
| 10:28.21 | GNU\colossus | it just means to not perform any kind of country-specific localization |
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| 10:29.04 | hanshenrik | ksk, PXE booting http://ratma.net/debian-installer/amd64/linux |
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| 10:29.09 | hanshenrik | first thing it asked me. |
| 10:30.15 | ksk | hanshenrik: "ratma.net" does not sound officially to me ;) |
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| 10:30.30 | hanshenrik | ksk, its http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz |
| 10:30.32 | hanshenrik | extracted |
| 10:30.54 | hanshenrik | untouched |
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| 10:31.25 | hanshenrik | from a couple of minutes ago |
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| 10:36.41 | hanshenrik | should the SWAP area be on the beginning of a rotating disk? |
| 10:36.46 | hanshenrik | or the end? |
| 10:37.01 | hanshenrik | for best swap performance |
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| 10:39.32 | SirPufonel | hanshenrik, personally i place it after i create /boot , and then / |
| 10:39.57 | SirPufonel | so for me the order is this /boot, swap and / (root +home are together ) |
| 10:40.31 | hanshenrik | some bioses don't like having the boot partition longer out than the 4 first GB i guess? :p |
| 10:40.40 | hanshenrik | or |
| 10:40.43 | hanshenrik | MBR limitation? |
| 10:40.49 | hanshenrik | meh, not important |
| 10:40.52 | hanshenrik | that makes sense anyhow |
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| 10:43.12 | cluelessperson | Can someone help me understand what's happening here with systemctl ? http://hastebin.com/raw/dijasixopa |
| 10:43.36 | cluelessperson | when I run bitcoind outside of systemd it works perfectly fine. |
| 10:43.40 | SirPufonel | hanshenrik, i have an old computer with BIOS and MBR :) |
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| 10:44.03 | SirPufonel | if you have UEFI it might be a good idea to check |
| 10:44.34 | ksk | cluelessperson: It says something about "Permission Denied"? |
| 10:45.58 | cluelessperson | ksk, drw-r--r-- 3 bitcoin bitcoin 4.0K Mar 27 05:32 bitcoin-node |
| 10:46.13 | SirPufonel | hanshenrik, i create the boot partition of 1Gb , no more :) |
| 10:46.31 | SirPufonel | if you play with kernels alot then maybe it should be bigger |
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| 10:46.53 | hanshenrik | well shit |
| 10:47.00 | hanshenrik | my boot partition is 200 MB |
| 10:47.14 | markybob | cluelessperson: says it's already running. thus no lock |
| 10:47.23 | cluelessperson | markybob, it's not running |
| 10:47.25 | hanshenrik | dont think it'll ever store more than 2 kernels tho - the current and the 1 for a reboot update |
| 10:47.44 | hanshenrik | we |
| 10:48.01 | hanshenrik | does debian support in-memory kernel updates? |
| 10:48.03 | hanshenrik | without reboot? |
| 10:48.21 | hanshenrik | i heard that was 1 of the major things with kernel 4.0 |
| 10:48.31 | hanshenrik | but debian 8 is still on 3.x |
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| 10:49.43 | cluelessperson | hanshenrik, yes |
| 10:49.51 | cluelessperson | hanshenrik, but it won't actually use it until it reboots. |
| 10:50.11 | cluelessperson | recently had to work out upgrading board firmware from a running system. |
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| 10:55.20 | SirPufonel | hanshenrik, well at this moment /boot uses only 34 mb of 1024 Mb allocated... so i may be little wrong. but better to be safe than sorry :) |
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| 10:55.36 | hanshenrik | SirPufonel, indeed |
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| 10:56.47 | cluelessperson | So yeah |
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| 10:56.57 | cluelessperson | I have a command that works fine outside of systemd |
| 10:57.04 | cluelessperson | but in the systemd init, it errors |
| 10:57.10 | cluelessperson | supposed "permission denied" my ass |
| 10:57.18 | Gurka47 | hi, I'm having something "odd" going on, hostname and hostname -f outputs the full FQDN, /etc/hosts look allright to me, what may be going on? |
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| 10:59.03 | Ouroboros | Gurka47: DHCP assigned the FQDN? |
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| 11:01.33 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: good question, i have a mix of virtual machines (not really too savvy), this one shouldn't be |
| 11:02.05 | Ouroboros | shouldnt be what |
| 11:03.03 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: assigned by dhcp (FQDN), manually entered in /etc/hosts |
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| 11:03.36 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: http://pastebin.com/zMXQtLLa |
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| 11:06.02 | Ouroboros | and what is in /etc/hostname |
| 11:06.58 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: http://pastebin.com/XatRVi0a |
| 11:07.48 | Ouroboros | so? |
| 11:08.00 | Ouroboros | is that what hostname outputs? |
| 11:08.30 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: yes, but only on this server, i have quite a lot, named us01, us02, us03, etc. only us02 has the fqdn in /etc/hostname and differs for some odd reason |
| 11:09.12 | Ouroboros | so you didnt put that there? |
| 11:09.22 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: so on this server showing this behaviour, hostname and hostname -f shows the same output, on all the others, eg us01, hostname outputs us01, hostname -f outputs us01.xx.xx |
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| 11:09.42 | Ouroboros | i am still thinking it has to do with dhcp |
| 11:09.42 | cluelessperson | Error: Cannot obtain a lock on data directory /storage/bitcoin-node |
| 11:09.54 | Ouroboros | i could be totally wrong though |
| 11:10.17 | cluelessperson | http://paste.debian.net/419136/ |
| 11:10.45 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: any steps to figure that out? dmesg shows no output of dhcp |
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| 11:11.30 | Ouroboros | Gurka47: i dont have a test system here, but is there something in /var/log or /var/db? |
| 11:11.50 | Ouroboros | dhclient.lease or something like that |
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| 11:12.46 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: var/log/syslog checked, no trace of DHCP.. will check a couple of more logs |
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| 11:13.09 | Gamenoob | Hello, Ihave problem with mirrors. When I try to update it says failed to fetch mirror and Could not resolve 'mirror'. I've seen that some people had that problem so I tried to fix it but nothing works for me |
| 11:13.09 | Gamenoob | So if anybody has any idea please |
| 11:13.10 | Gamenoob | Im desperate |
| 11:13.10 | Gamenoob | I know that hardware is not the problem and sources.list also |
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| 11:13.22 | Ouroboros | Gurka47: there should be a file, i think its in /var/db |
| 11:13.29 | Ouroboros | Gurka47: i might be thinking of another os though |
| 11:14.06 | Ouroboros | or maybe thats for dhcp server, heh |
| 11:14.25 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: found /var/lib/dhcp, 2 old files, dhclient.eth0.leases and dhclient.leases, from 2014... |
| 11:14.44 | Ouroboros | are you actually using dhcp? |
| 11:14.57 | Ouroboros | and is it dhclient or dhcpcd |
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| 11:16.47 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: i think you're 100% correct, the contents of dhclient.eth0.leases look really weird, there are two leases for eth0 in the same file, one that already expired, one that isnt expiring at all, with option domain-name setting, guess i have some reading to do because i have no clue how to sort that out. :) |
| 11:17.46 | Ouroboros | Gurka47: http://stackoverflow.com/a/14743683 |
| 11:17.53 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: not sure tho how this can happen as i am quite certain i chose static ip, and no DHCPDISCOVER or the usual things found in any log i can think of |
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| 11:18.14 | Ouroboros | well, what does /etc/network/interfaces say |
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| 11:18.40 | Ouroboros | i am assume you are using that and not NetworkManager or something |
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| 11:18.56 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: http://pastebin.com/JpJgDDbT |
| 11:19.44 | cluelessperson | Can someone please help me understand wtf systemd is doing here? |
| 11:19.46 | cluelessperson | http://paste.debian.net/plain/419138 |
| 11:20.30 | cluelessperson | bitcoind works fine if I start it manually, but seems to be sent thread interupts (I suspect by systemd itself) |
| 11:20.53 | cluelessperson | oh yeah, dur: bitcoind.service start operation timed out. Terminating. |
| 11:21.54 | Ouroboros | Gurka47: is that FQDN in that lease file? |
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| 11:22.35 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: yes, it is mentioned, i pastebinned it here: http://pastebin.com/JhVZUKWM |
| 11:22.38 | Ouroboros | Gurka47: i mean, first thing to try is move those lease files out of the way, change hostname in /etc/hostname [https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname] and reboot |
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| 11:23.44 | Ouroboros | Gurka47: as for how those leases happened before, i have no idea |
| 11:23.54 | Ouroboros | maybe the config wasnt always like this |
| 11:24.10 | Ouroboros | or someone ran dhclient manually e.g. |
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| 11:24.43 | cluelessperson | Figured it out |
| 11:24.47 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: first install may have been dhcp, it's 2 years ago :) i have documentation of the install, but not detailed enough for first install whether or not it talked to a dhcp server, or didnt. but most likely as it was done with netinstall |
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| 11:25.35 | Ouroboros | dunno where that lease expiration came from, lol |
| 11:25.47 | Ouroboros | anyway, just doing what i suggested should fix it |
| 11:25.55 | Ouroboros | if not, you can investigate further |
| 11:27.07 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: many thanks so far :) rebooting now, moved those files to another place, first sign should probably be if they magically respawn :) |
| 11:27.14 | Ouroboros | yeah |
| 11:27.20 | Ouroboros | dont think they will though |
| 11:27.42 | Ouroboros | most likely it is just because of that non-expiring lease |
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| 11:27.56 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: no respawn, but "hostname" still outputs the full FQDN |
| 11:28.07 | Ouroboros | did you change /etc/hostname? |
| 11:28.33 | cluelessperson | no actually I haven't |
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| 11:30.21 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: ah sorry, no, i did not, i was under the belief it was autogenerated on boot |
| 11:30.46 | Ouroboros | no, it wont be generated without dhcp |
| 11:30.58 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: well, now it works, many thanks!! |
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| 11:31.06 | pho}e{nix | hello everyone |
| 11:31.08 | pho}e{nix | :) |
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| 11:31.32 | Gurka47 | wish i could donate beer over irc :D |
| 11:31.47 | Ouroboros | Gurka47: /etc/hostname is where *the* hostname comes from, /etc/hosts is just the name->ip mappings |
| 11:32.12 | Ouroboros | (as i understand it, its been awhile) |
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| 11:32.53 | hanshenrik | brand new system set up with debian installer, not expert mode, nothing special really (except that it was a PXE boot installation), just finished, restartong normally, booting, "Loading Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 ..." "Loading initial ramdisk ..." then a newline, then freeze, nothing happening |
| 11:33.17 | hanshenrik | frozen |
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| 11:35.58 | CyberpunkZ | hey i need some help with setting up debian 8 on my laptop.. the problem i'm having with it is the touchpad and atheros wireless that are not working due probably missing firmware in linux. the wireless modem is a Atheros 9377 qualcomm it uses the firmware of ath10k |
| 11:36.36 | CyberpunkZ | touchpad is not working so therefor now mouse, it works with a regular mouse but i need it for my desktop |
| 11:37.09 | Gurka47 | Cyberpunkz: make and model of laptop is probably helpful |
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| 11:37.26 | CyberpunkZ | its a Acer Aspire E5-573-54BN |
| 11:39.29 | CyberpunkZ | i have added jessie-backports and install linux-4.3 |
| 11:39.55 | CyberpunkZ | thought it would correct the firmware stuff but it doesn't either way its not work with the default kernel either |
| 11:40.06 | Ouroboros | hanshenrik: it can be various things https://duckduckgo.com/?q="Loading+initial+ramdisk"+freeze |
| 11:40.29 | teraflops | hanshenrik: no errors at all, just frozen? Are you sure is frozen? I mean maybe you have nl videi bat the system is still running. Or just your session manager (if any) does blank screen but you still are able to e.g switch tty with alt + f* |
| 11:40.53 | teraflops | I mean No video sorry. |
| 11:40.59 | Ouroboros | its not frozen |
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| 11:41.10 | Ouroboros | it just couldnt load something |
| 11:41.12 | CyberpunkZ | i'm guessing the touchpad is just a synaptics one |
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| 11:41.32 | CyberpunkZ | i dont see why it wouldn't work it could be dude to systemd daemons |
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| 11:41.49 | CyberpunkZ | not loading up stuff.. it could be to do with hal |
| 11:41.55 | CyberpunkZ | not sure if systemd uses hal |
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| 11:42.07 | CyberpunkZ | i remember debian use to use sysvinit |
| 11:42.12 | CyberpunkZ | what happen to that ? |
| 11:42.18 | Gurka47 | Cyberpunkz: Googling some, there seem to be issues with BIOS prior to 1.35, have you checked your BIOS? |
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| 11:44.07 | CyberpunkZ | v1.07 march 17 2015 |
| 11:44.12 | CyberpunkZ | my bios version |
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| 11:44.35 | CyberpunkZ | its a new laptop i just got a few days ago |
| 11:44.36 | CyberpunkZ | :) |
| 11:45.40 | Ouroboros | Gurka47: i guess the fqdn might be read from /etc/hosts and/or other places |
| 11:45.56 | Ouroboros | Gurka47: i mean, for the output of 'hostname -f' |
| 11:46.25 | fearnothing | please could someone help me configure rsyslog to send /var/log/bind/bind.log entries to a remote receiver? I thought I had figured out how, but I was wrong |
| 11:46.29 | fearnothing | and now I don't know what to try next |
| 11:46.41 | Gurka47 | Cyberpunkz: try upgrading the BIOS to the latest. Other workarounds (for same model series) is to enter BIOS and chose basic mode for the touchpad, if that doesnt work, no clue |
| 11:46.54 | CyberpunkZ | the touchpad did work before but now it just stop working since i done a update |
| 11:47.02 | CyberpunkZ | and it doesn't work even after a frew install |
| 11:47.05 | CyberpunkZ | fresh* |
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| 11:47.34 | CyberpunkZ | really its due to the bios |
| 11:47.36 | CyberpunkZ | ? |
| 11:47.39 | CyberpunkZ | it works with ubuntu |
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| 11:47.57 | CyberpunkZ | i dont see how its to do with the bios as the touchpad work before |
| 11:48.11 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: probably true, but now it's atleast fixed and working as intended :D |
| 11:48.15 | CyberpunkZ | and how do u go on by updating the bios |
| 11:48.24 | Gurka47 | Cyberpunkz: well if it worked and now does not, then i'm not sure. |
| 11:49.07 | CyberpunkZ | i know some acer computer u need windows to update the bios as i took out windows and replace it with debian 8 |
| 11:49.47 | Ouroboros | Gurka47: yeah, just pointing out it can get confusing on real network-connected systems :) when you have dns and god forbid nis etc |
| 11:50.45 | Gurka47 | Cyberpunkz: usually by following the acer specifications, normal procedures involve 1 usb stick and an upgrade either from within os (windows) or from inside bios (read usb stick), not sure about how acer does it. and if it worked before i'm not sure. |
| 11:51.14 | AlexPortable | How can I add entry to debian iso boot file? |
| 11:51.19 | Gurka47 | Cyberpunkz: http://community.acer.com/t5/E-and-M-Series-Laptops/Acer-Aspire-e5-573g-You-can-not-install-any-one-Linux/td-p/386009 and http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/error_401-638432/debian-8-on-acer-aspire-e15-e5-573-36698/ was the only references somewhat matching |
| 11:51.26 | AlexPortable | I tried editting the iso but then it can't find install.amd/vmlinuz |
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| 11:53.21 | Gurka47 | Ouroboros: indeed it can, glad it got sorted out |
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| 12:15.19 | AlexPortable | https://garfield001.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/modifying-bootable-debian-iso-image-with-preseed-for-automatic-installation/ |
| 12:15.21 | AlexPortable | Is this still up to date? |
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| 12:17.44 | lubarch | how to instal bcm4360 in macbook air |
| 12:17.55 | lubarch | offline |
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| 12:31.55 | AlexPortable | genisoimage: Uh oh, I cant find the boot catalog directory '/var/tmp/linux/isolinux'! |
| 12:32.03 | AlexPortable | how can i tell it to look better? |
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| 12:32.29 | heap_ | hi is there any working iscsi target? |
| 12:32.53 | heap_ | can iscsi target that points to the "image" file... got corrupted? |
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| 12:36.58 | r6ku | lubarch: you need this package https://packages.debian.org/jessie/broadcom-sta-dkms |
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| 12:44.16 | r6ku | lubarch: there's also an install image with firmware on it for wifi http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 12:46.08 | Walakea | debian installer requested wifi firmware rtl_nic .... 8168-3 |
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| 12:46.23 | Walakea | i think this is part of firmware realtek |
| 12:46.29 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 12:46.30 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 12:46.38 | Walakea | is it enough if i simply install th package? |
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| 12:47.19 | r6ku | Walakea: it should be |
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| 12:57.13 | Walakea | it wasnt enough |
| 12:57.54 | Walakea | i got my wifi to work earlier thanks to something i found on internet |
| 12:58.11 | dvs | !tell Walakea about firmware iso |
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| 12:58.53 | Walakea | i wont be reinstalling my system again |
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| 13:08.43 | heap_ | any idea what is a working and stable iscsi target? |
| 13:08.55 | heap_ | that crap targetctl doesnt work anymore.. |
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| 13:16.10 | awal1 | I think, and it should be, if someone asks about something and people here can't/aren't able to help, it could be nice if the solution found is shared; it may be interesting and people may learn... Walakea, you dont think so? |
| 13:16.59 | awal1 | I think tha's the debian community philosophy here :) |
| 13:17.15 | awal1 | oh, he left :D |
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| 13:18.22 | awal1 | for room thats egoist asking and not sharing solutions... |
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| 13:21.19 | e4rthling | ayone here using a freenas? ive got a freenas from a friend here, for some reason i can only write at 35~ MiB/s is that because theres some stupid zfs runni |
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| 13:26.09 | Posterdati | jo |
| 13:26.12 | Posterdati | hi |
| 13:26.24 | e4rthling | hi |
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| 13:27.07 | heap_ | hi what is a good and stable software for the iscsi target? i want to run on debian |
| 13:27.10 | Posterdati | I've got a problem with jessie on amd64 + systemd: A start job is running for Enable support for additional exe... |
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| 13:28.09 | Posterdati | I've got a problem with jessie on amd64 + systemd: A start job is running for Enable support for additional exe... I experienced freezing with debian latest stable kernel and kernel 4.5.0 |
| 13:28.12 | e4rthling | heap_:di you try open-iscsi? |
| 13:29.36 | e4rthling | heap_: did you try open-iscsi? |
| 13:29.49 | Posterdati | :( |
| 13:29.49 | heap_ | no |
| 13:30.09 | e4rthling | give it a try its super easy to use and gets the joib done |
| 13:30.12 | heap_ | do you mean http://scst.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 13:30.36 | e4rthling | apt-get install open-iscsi |
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| 13:31.22 | e4rthling | for the target you just go iscsiadm -m discovery -t sendtargets -p IP_Adresse:3260 |
| 13:31.28 | heap_ | ok let me try |
| 13:31.39 | heap_ | i need to run it in target mode |
| 13:31.40 | e4rthling | iscsiadm |
| 13:31.55 | Posterdati | systemd is horrible |
| 13:33.09 | e4rthling | heap_: http://linux.die.net/man/8/iscsiadm |
| 13:34.15 | heap_ | e4rthling: looks like a client to me |
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| 13:36.32 | Posterdati | how can I rip off systemd without screw my system? |
| 13:36.46 | e4rthling | heap_: sry i misudnerstood ur question my bad |
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| 13:38.11 | e4rthling | e4rthling: http://linux.die.net/man/8/iscsiadm |
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| 13:38.39 | e4rthling | heap_: http://linux-iscsi.org/wiki/Debian |
| 13:40.33 | heap_ | what about SCST? |
| 13:40.46 | e4rthling | i dont know it |
| 13:42.19 | hexnewbie | I found scst pretty nice feature-wise and it's also easy to use. OTOH, it's not in Debian, and I had someone else set it up for me, so that may be a minor obstacle :) |
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| 13:44.08 | heap_ | sorry |
| 13:44.13 | heap_ | in that case LIO is broken |
| 13:44.25 | heap_ | im getting sustatianl disconnects on initiator |
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| 13:44.33 | e4rthling | mhh |
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| 13:45.10 | Posterdati | I've got a problem with jessie on amd64 + systemd: A start job is running for Enable support for additional exe... I experienced freezing with debian latest stable kernel and kernel 4.5.0 |
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| 13:47.01 | heap_ | last stable release 3y old |
| 13:47.03 | heap_ | what a crap |
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| 13:50.34 | CyberpunkZ | i figured out the touchpad not working.. it was simply turn off eh.. fn + f7 shows a little picture on the keyboard not just f7, but a tiny touchpad and shows a hand with a x like saying turn off some reason it was turn off by pressing fn + f7 turn back the touchpad hmm strange |
| 13:51.28 | CyberpunkZ | new computers in today world lulz not like how they use to be .. turn off touchpad who would wanna do that lulz |
| 13:51.39 | Ouroboros | lots of people |
| 13:51.43 | Ouroboros | touchpads are annoying |
| 13:51.54 | jmd | Ouroboros: +1 |
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| 13:52.03 | CyberpunkZ | beats the purpose of a portable device |
| 13:52.03 | Ouroboros | although i usually turn it off permanently :) |
| 13:52.24 | CyberpunkZ | actually the touchpad on my acer model is pretty good |
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| 13:52.46 | CyberpunkZ | makes it "less stuff" connected to it |
| 13:53.01 | CyberpunkZ | i guess 3 usb ports isn't a lot so using one for a desktop mouse |
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| 13:53.32 | CyberpunkZ | but |
| 13:53.44 | CyberpunkZ | atheros 10k drivers are not on debian 8.3 |
| 13:54.46 | CyberpunkZ | now nobody likes their wifi turn off .. wonder why the ath10k firmware wasn't in debian stable |
| 13:54.51 | CyberpunkZ | in the kernel |
| 13:54.57 | TomasCZ | Question, who can describe for me what GIO network refers to? or glib-networking* packages? |
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| 14:00.04 | jeffrin | hello |
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| 14:01.16 | diphuser | I have been trying to setup firewall on a debian server to work with ssh and a http server, but I also need apt-get to work. What am I missing? http://pastie.org/10775241 |
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| 14:03.49 | jeffrin | diphuser : see if this helps http://serverfault.com/questions/433295/what-is-the-right-iptables-rule-to-allow-apt-get-to-download-programs |
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| 14:06.00 | diphuser | jeffrin: I think I have all that already in my rules. |
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| 14:07.35 | markybob | diphuser: you'll have better luck in #netfilter probably |
| 14:08.06 | TomasCZ | diphuser, what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 14:08.34 | TomasCZ | diphuser, Why not allowing any outgoing connection to port 80/tcp |
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| 14:09.29 | diphuser | all links are http on my /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:09.59 | diphuser | I allow new connections on port 80/tcp |
| 14:10.22 | diphuser | and related,established connections on any port/protocol |
| 14:10.35 | diphuser | shouldn't it be enough |
| 14:10.46 | TomasCZ | diphuser, shouldn't but it is. |
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| 14:11.19 | diphuser | Let me try that |
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| 14:11.58 | TomasCZ | diphuser, logically. come on, you told your firewall to not let your system connect anywhere on it's own unless it's dns or it's related to already open incoming connection. |
| 14:12.36 | TomasCZ | diphuser, that's what your OUTPUT rules say(including default action if no rule matches = DROP) |
| 14:13.20 | diphuser | there's also a rule for NEW on OUTPUT on 80/tcp |
| 14:13.32 | TomasCZ | diphuser, perhaps you didn't wanted to be so restrictive? I mean iptables -P OUTPUT DROP might be harsh way for beginner. |
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| 14:14.40 | TomasCZ | diphuser, yes, there are, but those in OUTPUT say it must be from that port 80/tcp and unless it's webserver replying to client sport of any application doing outgoing connection is ALWAYS random by default |
| 14:15.04 | diphuser | I see |
| 14:15.05 | TomasCZ | diphuser, ohh and definetly above 1024 mark |
| 14:15.21 | diphuser | I didn't know that |
| 14:16.07 | TomasCZ | diphuser, OUTPUT is for outgoing connections. INPUT for incomming. apt-get or wget, curl, git clone etc as long as you execute it on that machine it falls into outgoing not incomming |
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| 14:16.39 | diphuser | any security risk in doing: -F OUPUT and --policy OUTPUT ACCEPT? |
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| 14:17.35 | TomasCZ | diphuser, I'll repeat it again, if you are firewall beginner, you might do better doing ^ exactly(or iptables -P OUTPUT DROP). It will save you a lot of issues and questions to others. |
| 14:17.55 | jeffrin | diphuser : see if this helps https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-setup-a-firewall-with-ufw-on-an-ubuntu-and-debian-cloud-server |
| 14:17.58 | TomasCZ | diphuser, errrr I meant iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT *** ffs |
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| 14:19.00 | TomasCZ | diphuser, like why is ping not working? why tracert always returns ... nothing? |
| 14:19.16 | diphuser | I will probably do that for now then |
| 14:19.52 | teraflops | I dont think pointing to a silly gui is fine for people trying to understand |
| 14:20.03 | diphuser | jeffrin, it helps, but my issue is not necessarily issuing the correct rules with iptables |
| 14:20.48 | diphuser | it's more about things that I don't know about the underlying protocols and/or systems stuff |
| 14:21.22 | AlexPortable | can someone help me to debug /install.amd/vmlinuz not found? |
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| 14:22.46 | teraflops | Then might be more advisable starting fom simple firewall configs and then going.more complex step by step instead doind drop by default the fisrt time |
| 14:23.11 | teraflops | Doing* |
| 14:23.28 | diphuser | yeah - thanks for the tips everyone |
| 14:23.38 | TomasCZ | diphuser, ohh, and about that question, security risk. No. as said, OUTPUT is for outgoing connections from your linux box. INPUT is what protects your ports from probes |
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| 14:24.49 | diphuser | So, I'm accepting everything on OUTPUT now, but still no apt-get |
| 14:25.42 | TomasCZ | diphuser, what is your apt-get command? |
| 14:25.51 | TomasCZ | apt-get update? |
| 14:26.28 | diphuser | yeah |
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| 14:27.05 | diphuser | oh, it worked now |
| 14:27.21 | diphuser | did the same thing with ip6tables |
| 14:27.30 | TomasCZ | rats. |
| 14:27.42 | diphuser | by same thing I meant accepting everything on OUTPUT |
| 14:27.50 | TomasCZ | diphuser, tiny detail .... you missed it in your initial output. |
| 14:27.52 | teraflops | If you want to debug your fw rules you may want to aply them one by one instead the whole ruleset |
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| 14:29.18 | diphuser | yeah, sorry |
| 14:29.19 | diphuser | the config was the same as for iptables |
| 14:29.28 | sda13 | Hey guys. Any way of installing the 4.1 kernel in debian stable?? Without having to backport it mysef |
| 14:29.57 | teraflops | sda13: Isn't there? |
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| 14:30.02 | markybob | sda13: jessie-backports has 4.3 |
| 14:30.16 | teraflops | Ah |
| 14:30.18 | sda13 | teraflops: where? |
| 14:30.23 | sda13 | markybob. I want 4.1 |
| 14:30.24 | teraflops | In backports |
| 14:30.28 | sda13 | 4.2 + is buggy |
| 14:30.34 | sda13 | on my hw |
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| 14:30.59 | teraflops | sda13: and your hw is....? |
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| 14:31.11 | teraflops | Dont say arm.. |
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| 14:32.10 | sda13 | e7440 |
| 14:32.11 | TomasCZ | teraflops, his hw is nice ! ;-) |
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| 14:32.42 | teraflops | sda13: sorry whats an e7740 |
| 14:32.54 | sda13 | dell latitude e7440 |
| 14:32.59 | teraflops | sda13: ah |
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| 14:33.47 | teraflops | sda13: well, whats wrong compiling yourbown kernel? Debian has tools for doingbit the debian way so you end withbabdebian package |
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| 14:34.04 | teraflops | Doing it* sorry |
| 14:34.34 | sda13 | Time consuming. Coming from Arch...because I want to stop wasting my time compiling stuff |
| 14:34.43 | teraflops | Meh i cant write properly here. Sorry |
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| 14:35.17 | markybob | sda13: don't use make-kpkg like so many people do from reading outdated tutorials. read the kernel handbook and do it the correct way |
| 14:36.09 | teraflops | sda13: in arch there are only 2 kernels. All the other shit is in aur and you have to compile either way |
| 14:36.21 | sda13 | teraflops. I know |
| 14:36.25 | teraflops | So? |
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| 14:36.55 | sda13 | I just don't want to compile, anything at all, no matter if it takes 10 minutes or 10 hours |
| 14:37.30 | teraflops | Ah well. Then you have a problem |
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| 14:37.56 | sda13 | I guess |
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| 14:39.19 | teraflops | May i ask what's buggy there with 4.2+ kernels? |
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| 14:41.25 | Snicksie | Bert_2: ping? |
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| 14:42.18 | heap_ | so any idea why is iscsitarget package broken? |
| 14:42.22 | heap_ | debian 8.2 |
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| 14:44.55 | Brigo | heap_, why do you think so? |
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| 14:45.15 | heap_ | Brigo: because all that i use are crashing |
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| 14:45.35 | heap_ | and iscsitarget this crap especially after installation there is a missing kernel module. |
| 14:45.37 | Brigo | heap_, does the package get installed without errors? |
| 14:45.41 | heap_ | no |
| 14:45.45 | heap_ | with errors. |
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| 14:46.58 | Brigo | heap_, what kernel are you using? |
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| 14:47.56 | heap_ | 4.4 |
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| 14:50.18 | Brigo | heap_, maybe that's your problem: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786611 |
| 14:50.20 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/786611 in iscsitarget-dkms (open): «iscsitarget-dkms: Does not build with Linux 4.0»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-05-23; last modified: 2015-10-04. |
| 14:52.22 | heap_ | this doesnt solve issue |
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| 14:54.06 | heap_ | pointless discussion |
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| 14:54.50 | Brigo | heap_, of course, but at least it points you to the solution if you care enought. |
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| 14:56.05 | heap_ | Brigo: what solution? |
| 14:56.13 | heap_ | there was nothing said about solution |
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| 14:56.15 | heap_ | or fix |
| 14:56.56 | heap_ | or do i miss something |
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| 14:57.20 | Brigo | Ubuntu got it fixed already with iscsitarget-1.4.20.3+svn499-0ubuntu2.1 |
| 14:57.20 | Brigo | You might want to try and apply their fUbuntu got it fixed already with iscsitarget-1.4.20.3+svn499-0ubuntu2.1 |
| 14:57.20 | Brigo | You might want to try and apply their fix-build-3.19.patch (removing |
| 14:57.20 | Brigo | the changes to the Makefile).ix-build-3.19.patch (removing |
| 14:57.20 | Brigo | the changes to the Makefile). |
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| 14:57.41 | heap_ | Brigo: ah |
| 14:57.42 | Brigo | sorry. |
| 14:57.44 | heap_ | but its ubuntu |
| 14:57.46 | heap_ | not debian |
| 14:57.55 | heap_ | and also i run 4.4 kernel this looks like 3.19 |
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| 14:58.13 | heap_ | Backport compat changes to allow DKMS compiles for kernels up to 3.19 |
| 14:58.20 | Brigo | they were talking about how ubuntu guys solved it and how you can solve it. |
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| 14:58.47 | heap_ | Brigo: uhm |
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| 14:58.55 | heap_ | Brigo: they solved it somehow by code change |
| 14:59.02 | heap_ | im not a kernel programmer. |
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| 14:59.46 | heap_ | Brigo: and they fix it for the 3.19 kerl |
| 14:59.47 | heap_ | kernel |
| 14:59.58 | Brigo | heap_, read it yourself: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iscsitarget/+bug/1483415 |
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| 15:00.42 | han-solo | hey, is there a pacman game for debian? |
| 15:01.23 | markybob | Brigo: if you don't know how to compile/program how'd you get 4.4 on stable? |
| 15:01.24 | heap_ | Brigo: are we in the inf loop? |
| 15:01.25 | Brigo | han-solo, apt-cache search pacman |
| 15:01.31 | markybob | heap_: ^^ |
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| 15:01.42 | han-solo | yeah, i did |
| 15:01.46 | han-solo | and there one pacman |
| 15:01.49 | heap_ | Brigo: they talks about 3.19 |
| 15:01.50 | Brigo | markybob, backports? |
| 15:01.51 | heap_ | i run 4.4 |
| 15:01.51 | han-solo | but it's no good |
| 15:01.55 | han-solo | any better one? |
| 15:01.56 | markybob | Brigo: that has 4.3 |
| 15:02.17 | Brigo | markybob, right. |
| 15:02.38 | heap_ | hm |
| 15:02.39 | markybob | Brigo: 4.4 depends on gcc5 so there's no ssb |
| 15:02.48 | Brigo | heap_, 3.19 onwards, anyway, it is the best i can find for you. |
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| 15:03.07 | heap_ | Brigo: onwards? |
| 15:03.41 | Brigo | markybob, i didn't know it, so it will never reach jessie? |
| 15:03.45 | heap_ | should i kindly reapeat one more time my question, is there working iscsi target for debian 8.2 running kernel 4.4? |
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| 15:04.33 | markybob | Brigo: i don't know the answer to that but this sounds weird. |
| 15:04.37 | Brigo | heap_, it looks like there isn't. I was just pointing you to the proble, the bug and the workaround. |
| 15:04.56 | Brigo | markybob, yes, i agree. |
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| 15:05.08 | heap_ | Brigo: i m not programmer, and i thing workaround was for 3.19 only? |
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| 15:07.11 | heap_ | how big linux community is and noone is able to fix that issue in 1-2y period? isnt that crazy. |
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| 15:09.34 | jelly | heap_: you and I are part of said community. Why not learn how to fix it yourself if you need it that much? |
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| 15:10.09 | Brigo | heap_, the problem is not the linux community but the community of users of that package(which seems very littel) |
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| 15:11.50 | heap_ | jelly: because i dont have a time /skill and in that case i should buy i working product ... will be much more cheaper for me.. |
| 15:12.19 | heap_ | Brigo: but its linux and i assume that there must be XY ppl that need iscsi target |
| 15:12.25 | han-solo | heap_: you're embaressing yourself |
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| 15:14.55 | han-solo | i take that back! |
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| 15:15.44 | jelly | heap_: then buy a working product, TANSTAAFL |
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| 15:16.00 | heap_ | ah |
| 15:16.09 | heap_ | i was looking for the solution. nothing more. |
| 15:16.34 | jelly | debian is just a bunch of volunteers, if you want something solved and noone else is doing it, step in |
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| 15:17.19 | jelly | "but I'm not a developer" noone is born being a developer |
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| 15:17.49 | heap_ | jelly: i have personall life and other things... |
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| 15:18.03 | jelly | heap_: but people doing debian don't? |
| 15:18.07 | heap_ | i was looking for something working and i assumed that is not required only by myself. |
| 15:18.20 | heap_ | jelly: i dont know maybe its their hobby |
| 15:18.27 | heap_ | if was mine i can contribute... |
| 15:18.57 | tako | Debian is awesome isnt it |
| 15:19.02 | heap_ | or is there other enterprise distro where these things should work? |
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| 15:19.35 | jelly | there are several distros that offer paid support, ubuntu, rhel, suse, probably more |
| 15:20.37 | han-solo | is 'apt-get remove --purge' is the right way to remove an installed package? |
| 15:20.41 | han-solo | to completely remove a package? |
| 15:20.53 | TomasCZ | heap_, sorry wasn't reading all the chat, but did you try to search around for iscsi topic? |
| 15:21.01 | zykotick9 | han-solo: fyi, "apt-get purge foo" is shorter to type. |
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| 15:21.05 | jelly | han-solo: yes |
| 15:21.10 | tako | han-solo, yes |
| 15:21.18 | han-solo | ok |
| 15:21.21 | han-solo | Thanks |
| 15:21.29 | TomasCZ | heap_, like debian related question? apt-cache search iscsi ? |
| 15:21.49 | TomasCZ | heap_, or ubuntu related, since ubuntu is ~= debian |
| 15:22.04 | jelly | TomasCZ: wrong place for ubuntu related questions. |
| 15:22.05 | heap_ | yes i tried. |
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| 15:24.58 | heap_ | TomasCZ: why? |
| 15:24.58 | jelly | heap_: were I in your place I'd try using the mentioned workaround for 3.19 to your environment |
| 15:25.18 | heap_ | jelly: but what workaround do you mean? |
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| 15:25.44 | heap_ | maybe i dont have enought experience and can see it |
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| 15:28.51 | TomasCZ | heap_, I mentioned ubuntu only because there is company behind it, they have iso's for cloud and so on. Userbase is bigger. And since it is based on ubuntu if you find tutorial/howto for their system it might just work for debian too |
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| 15:29.15 | TomasCZ | based on debian ** |
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| 15:29.26 | heap_ | the core things are broken |
| 15:31.10 | TomasCZ | heap_, ouch then. I guess you could try different distro if they got it right? for testing purposes. or debian testing? |
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| 15:33.34 | heap_ | using lio im getting |
| 15:33.34 | heap_ | [10803.087828] Unknown VPD Code: 0xc8 |
| 15:33.34 | heap_ | [10803.107561] Unknown VPD Code: 0xc0 |
| 15:33.34 | heap_ | [10805.637597] MODE SENSE: unimplemented page/subpage: 0x04/0x00 |
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| 15:35.03 | han-solo | heap_: use pastebin from now on :) |
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| 15:35.52 | han-solo | heap_? |
| 15:36.14 | heap_ | ok |
| 15:36.20 | heap_ | https://bpaste.net/show/2f1889ba901a |
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| 15:37.10 | heap_ | i think i have to buy synology or some "enteprise" solution |
| 15:37.22 | heap_ | will never make it works in linux... |
| 15:37.36 | heap_ | when you fix one bug another 5 appear |
| 15:37.47 | npo | tru |
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| 15:38.02 | han-solo | it's just.... |
| 15:38.15 | heap_ | just? |
| 15:38.37 | han-solo | how it is :) |
| 15:38.47 | heap_ | yes |
| 15:38.57 | heap_ | using linux was good while was a kid. |
| 15:39.09 | heap_ | i mean distros as debian etc.. |
| 15:39.13 | han-solo | what changed? |
| 15:39.13 | heap_ | wheere you dont pay.. |
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| 15:39.26 | heap_ | han-solo: u cant get anything stable if u dont pay? |
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| 15:41.07 | zykotick9 | doesn't run a 4.4 kernel on machines he wants to be stable.... |
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| 15:46.30 | MaBunny | hey guys |
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| 15:46.55 | MaBunny | what are the package sources for debian jessie?i mean all of them |
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| 15:47.21 | MaBunny | currently i hav jessie-backports and jessie main in my sources.list |
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| 15:49.38 | zykotick9 | MaBunny: you can see "/msg dpkg sources" for the base stuff. i'm not sure what you mean by "all of them"? for instance, do you actually use anything from jessie-backports? if not, there is no reason to have it (unless you're doing <ssb> stuff?) |
| 15:50.03 | MaBunny | yes i use codeblocks |
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| 15:51.00 | zykotick9 | MaBunny: ok, just checkin' are you familiar with "/msg -Freenode dpkg dontbreakdebian" if not, i'd give it a glance ;) |
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| 15:52.14 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 16:00.40 | stakewinner00 | which are the possible problems of increase fs.file-max too much, or better question, why fs.file-max are not unlimited? |
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| 16:05.34 | heap_ | zykotick9: what version do u run? |
| 16:06.27 | TomTomTosch | stakewinner00, because your system does not have unlimited memory. it's a small bit of protection. |
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| 16:07.17 | zykotick9 | heap_: stable... always stable ;) actually, yesterday i had testing installed for a short period - to try the freedombox pure blend... during a very short time i had a system lockup :( freedombox wasn't quite ready for "prime time" IMO, so i reinstalled stable ;) |
| 16:08.09 | zykotick9 | recently saw a talk/demo of freedombox and wanted to give it a try |
| 16:08.21 | stakewinner00 | TomTomTosch, i set it to 999999999999999999999 (maximum value¿?), restarted the vm, and it still have a lot of free memory, |
| 16:09.07 | heap_ | zykotick9: what version? |
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| 16:10.25 | astartoth | hi all |
| 16:10.35 | zykotick9 | heap_: what version of what? kernel 3.16 debian stable = 8.3 = jessie |
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| 16:10.51 | stakewinner00 | ok, i see, my error |
| 16:10.55 | TomTomTosch | stakewinner00, right... |
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| 16:13.30 | MaBunny | hey guys hav you played #pioneerspacesim |
| 16:14.08 | MaBunny | i hav went to their channel on freenode and they told me to download the latest files from github |
| 16:14.59 | MaBunny | the question is tht,after reading the dontbreakdebian webpage,i hav doubts to whether downloading the package from the net and installing it on my jessie |
| 16:15.40 | MaBunny | i dont think its a bad package,its just a game,but i want to ask you guys if anyone of you hav tried it b4 |
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| 16:16.47 | hermande | Anybody have experience with icinga? |
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| 16:17.57 | at0m | dpkg: tell hermande about anyone |
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| 16:18.31 | hermande | at0m, Thanks... |
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| 16:18.35 | TomTomTosch | MaBunny, looks fine if you build it from source. they have a build guide on their site. 1.1 Linux - Autotools is what you need to do. |
| 16:18.59 | MaBunny | thnx,so its fine to play tht game?ok |
| 16:19.16 | hermande | How do you setup a icinga master to monitor a firewall and systems behind the said firewall. The docs are very vague. |
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| 16:20.29 | Pinchiukas | How can I search for virtual packages? |
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| 16:21.34 | jhutchins | MaBunny: You might make a backup before you build it, and maybe use one of the build wrappers to contain the process, make it uninstallable. |
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| 16:21.44 | jhutchins | MaBunny: As in removable. |
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| 16:22.05 | MaBunny | how do i make it uninstallable? |
| 16:22.33 | TomTomTosch | their instructions don't install. gimme a sec and i will download it and have a look. |
| 16:22.49 | jhutchins | MaBunny: Trying to think of the name of that program... It captures the "make install" process so it can be reversed. |
| 16:23.00 | MaBunny | ok |
| 16:23.01 | jhutchins | MaBunny: If it's a nice program it will have an uninstall target in the makefile. |
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| 16:23.30 | TomTomTosch | their instructions don't contain a make install :P |
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| 16:23.35 | bazhang | checkinstall jhutchins |
| 16:23.38 | jhutchins | MaBunny: The thing is that with third party software, it can throw file anywhere, and overwrite existing libraries. |
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| 16:23.55 | MaBunny | no their main download package is in github |
| 16:24.02 | bazhang | ,v checkinstall |
| 16:24.03 | judd | Package: checkinstall on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.6.2-1; stretch: 1.6.2-4; jessie: 1.6.2-4; sid: 1.6.2-4; wheezy: 1.6.2-4 |
| 16:24.14 | MaBunny | and they hav a configure>make>make/install |
| 16:24.15 | jhutchins | bazhang: Thank you. |
| 16:24.41 | bazhang | MaBunny, just play it with GOG or steam |
| 16:25.03 | MaBunny | ok |
| 16:25.41 | MaBunny | so ill checkinstall it |
| 16:25.46 | bazhang | some of those older games can be played in abrowser even |
| 16:26.02 | MaBunny | ok,looking for a guide on tht on the net |
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| 16:29.10 | TomTomTosch | building it would be just fine. https://github.com/pioneerspacesim/pioneer/blob/master/COMPILING.txt |
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| 16:29.58 | n-st | hi, i've created /etc/update-motd.d on jessie and populated it with the 00-header script used by ubuntu, but it doesn't show up when i connect via ssh... |
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| 16:30.05 | n-st | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.10 | n-st | what am i missing here? |
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| 16:38.41 | thinky | hi there |
| 16:38.49 | thinky | having problem with adding user in debian |
| 16:38.54 | thinky | fresh installed 8.3 |
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| 16:39.05 | Bert_2 | test |
| 16:39.16 | aedinius | thinky: what's the problem? |
| 16:39.29 | thinky | i logged in to terminal with root, and then i did " user ALL(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 16:39.33 | thinky | but nothing happened |
| 16:39.46 | thinky | after nano /etc/sudoers |
| 16:40.02 | thinky | aedinius: can not use terminal with my regular user name |
| 16:40.06 | jelly | thinky: you're missing a = sign in there somewhere |
| 16:40.22 | n-st | thinky: *never* edit /etc/sudoers directly |
| 16:40.26 | thinky | jelly: no i did what exactly said in google search |
| 16:40.27 | n-st | thinky: use viduso |
| 16:40.36 | jelly | visudo * |
| 16:40.38 | thinky | there was = |
| 16:40.44 | zykotick9 | thinks adding users to the sudo group is a lot easier... |
| 16:40.55 | thinky | what is the easy way? |
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| 16:40.56 | n-st | thanks, jelly |
| 16:41.04 | n-st | i typo that 70% of the time |
| 16:41.07 | markybob | thinky: anyway, assuming you just pasted the wrong thing, you still need to log out and back in for it to work |
| 16:41.11 | thinky | i also tried " sudo adduser user sudo |
| 16:41.25 | aedinius | usermod -a -G sudo user |
| 16:41.36 | thinky | grrr |
| 16:41.38 | jelly | thinky: your user needs to log off and back on after " adduser user sudo" |
| 16:41.47 | zykotick9 | thinky: you can't use sudo with adduser, you need to be root and have a # prompt |
| 16:42.00 | thinky | i did that also jelly :S logged off and came back but same.. |
| 16:42.15 | thinky | zykotick9: i was root while i was trying to adduser .. |
| 16:42.21 | jelly | thinky: okay. what does "id -a" say when you're logged in as the new user? |
| 16:42.47 | thinky | i need to login there |
| 16:42.51 | thinky | i am on dual boot now |
| 16:43.03 | thinky | first i need to install flash to come to here .. |
| 16:43.09 | thinky | how can i do that? as a root? |
| 16:43.11 | jelly | huh? |
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| 16:43.38 | jelly | thinky: use a normal irc client like hexchat or irssi, don't need flash |
| 16:43.40 | thinky | jelly: i mean, i freshly installed debian and i am a newbie.. |
| 16:43.51 | thinky | can i come via webchat? |
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| 16:44.08 | aedinius | yeah, and the webchat doesn't use flash |
| 16:44.14 | thinky | ok then let me try |
| 16:44.15 | thinky | thx |
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| 16:46.32 | thinky | back on debian |
| 16:47.03 | thinky | i have a lot of problems. |
| 16:47.18 | TomTomTosch | don't we all? |
| 16:47.37 | aedinius | Some more than others. |
| 16:47.42 | thinky | 1. i cant add myself in sudoers. 2. it doesnt recognize wife. 3. cant add another language |
| 16:47.58 | thinky | wifi - not wife lol |
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| 16:48.13 | thinky | typing on weird keyboard |
| 16:48.13 | aedinius | I don't think I can help with #2 |
| 16:48.17 | thinky | lol aedinius |
| 16:48.49 | aedinius | #1 should be an easy fix. As root, run: usermod -a -G sudo user |
| 16:48.51 | n-st | solution for 2 is easy: if debian doesn't want you to have a wife, get rid of wife :) |
| 16:48.58 | TomTomTosch | thinky, you can't use sudo if you have not added yourself to sodoers. |
| 16:48.59 | thinky | let me try aedinius |
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| 16:49.21 | n-st | life's all about priorities |
| 16:49.22 | thinky | su root |
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| 16:49.37 | n-st | Please enter the password for root: |
| 16:49.47 | zykotick9 | wonders if there is an easy way to restore thinky's default sudoers file... after the reported "nano /etc/sudoers" command? |
| 16:49.51 | aedinius | ******* |
| 16:49.54 | thinky | done aedinius but nothing happened |
| 16:49.59 | aedinius | thinky: nothing happened? |
| 16:50.07 | thinky | i mean just entered usermod -a -G sudo user |
| 16:50.22 | thinky | nothing happened i think |
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| 16:50.26 | markybob | thinky: you realize you need to log out and back in, right? |
| 16:50.27 | thinky | it didnt say anything |
| 16:50.30 | aedinius | grep user /etc/group |
| 16:50.35 | n-st | thinky: changes to a user's groups take effect upon next login (or next time opening a shell, inside that shell) |
| 16:50.36 | aedinius | Of course it won't say anything |
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| 16:50.54 | thinky | so should i grep user /etc/group ? |
| 16:51.01 | thinky | or log out ? |
| 16:51.03 | zykotick9 | aedinius: <sidenote> i personally think giving the adduser command is safer than usermod... "adduser User_foo Group_foo" |
| 16:51.15 | markybob | thinky: both |
| 16:51.23 | aedinius | zykotick9: I'd not seen that option for adduse rbeofre |
| 16:51.25 | thinky | ok let me brb |
| 16:51.46 | aedinius | got some seriously lag going on right now |
| 16:51.49 | n-st | zykotick9: if all else fails `apt-get --purge remove sudo && apt-get install sudo` |
| 16:51.49 | zykotick9 | aedinius: _if_ someone leaves off the -a in the usermod command, things to bad quick ;) |
| 16:51.57 | aedinius | zykotick9: Very true. |
| 16:52.10 | zykotick9 | n-st: i'm not _sure_ that would replace the modified config?!?! |
| 16:52.24 | n-st | zykotick9: purging it should delete the config |
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| 16:52.36 | thinky | back |
| 16:52.42 | n-st | you could rm /etc/sudoers to be sure... |
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| 16:53.02 | n-st | (not you, thinky) |
| 16:53.03 | zykotick9 | n-st: don't do that before purging though! |
| 16:53.12 | thinky | i did already what u said n-st :p |
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| 16:53.24 | thinky | well now what should i do? |
| 16:53.34 | thinky | i am on terminal as a root |
| 16:53.38 | n-st | well, oops :D |
| 16:53.48 | n-st | thinky: apt-get --purge remove sudo |
| 16:53.55 | n-st | thinky: after that, apt-get install sudo |
| 16:54.05 | n-st | thinky: â fresh sudoers file for you :) |
| 16:54.17 | aedinius | Did he... test to see if sudo worked |
| 16:54.24 | n-st | and don't close the root shell until you've tested you can open another one! |
| 16:54.28 | thinky | Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.3.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20160123-19:03' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter |
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| 16:54.44 | zykotick9 | n-st: i'm worried not this will be a <confmiss> situation :| |
| 16:54.44 | n-st | but ... you're online .... |
| 16:54.47 | markybob | aedinius: heh |
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| 16:55.01 | markybob | aedinius: actually a good question |
| 16:55.04 | n-st | zykotick9: it should continue with a warning though, right? |
| 16:55.27 | thinky | what should i do now? |
| 16:55.32 | n-st | zykotick9: gonna tias, hang on |
| 16:55.35 | thinky | i downloaded 3 dvd iso |
| 16:55.40 | aedinius | thinky: try using sudo as your user now |
| 16:55.42 | thinky | but it just installed debian with dvd 1 |
| 16:56.14 | thinky | m@thinkm-debian:~$ sudo apt-get update bash: sudo: command not found m@thinkm-debian:~$ |
| 16:56.31 | markybob | well apt-get install sudo as root |
| 16:56.50 | n-st | zykotick9: apt-get remove sudo works, even after deleting /etc/sudoers |
| 16:57.11 | n-st | doesn't even through a warning (other than "you're about to lock yourself out, are you sure?") |
| 16:57.12 | zykotick9 | n-st: /etc/sudoers is present after reinstall? |
| 16:57.17 | thinky | root@thinkm-debian:/home/m# sudo apt-get install sudo bash: sudo: command not found root@thinkm-debian:/home/m# |
| 16:57.28 | zykotick9 | thinky: "apt-get install sudo" |
| 16:57.29 | markybob | thinky: no. dont use sudo to install sudo |
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| 16:57.37 | n-st | zykotick9: yup, it's there |
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| 16:58.12 | thinky | http://paste.ubuntu.com/15524245/ |
| 16:58.25 | zykotick9 | is this ubuntu? |
| 16:58.36 | thinky | just a pastebin |
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| 16:59.44 | jhutchins | /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples/ |
| 17:00.03 | thinky | what am i going to do now :S |
| 17:00.06 | aedinius | thinky: do you have anything else package wise going on? |
| 17:00.17 | thinky | nothing |
| 17:00.43 | aedinius | try the apt-get install again |
| 17:00.46 | jhutchins | thinky: You could copy one of the files from that directory, or you could create one from scratch using the manpage and visudo to validate it, or you could set the root password. |
| 17:01.22 | thinky | jhutchins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15524245/plain/ |
| 17:01.23 | jhutchins | markybob: Why would you not use sudo to install sudi? |
| 17:01.24 | thinky | same |
| 17:01.50 | markybob | jhutchins: because i'm not drunk yet |
| 17:02.01 | markybob | thinky: given your skillset just reboot |
| 17:02.09 | thinky | ok |
| 17:02.16 | thinky | brb |
| 17:02.25 | jhutchins | thinky: THat's asking me for a login. |
| 17:02.41 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 17:02.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:02.58 | TomTomTosch | smells like troll. |
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| 17:03.33 | thinky | back |
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| 17:04.50 | jhutchins | thinky: Try paste.debian.net, yours requires a login. |
| 17:05.05 | thinky | ok jhutchins |
| 17:05.20 | thinky | it asked for debian installation disk now i am waiting for that |
| 17:05.32 | jhutchins | I probably HAVE an Ubuntu login somewhere... |
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| 17:05.37 | thinky | installed sudo now |
| 17:06.06 | thinky | it is working :D |
| 17:06.16 | markybob | thank god |
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| 17:06.20 | jhutchins | thinky: Many programs will have a default/example configuration file under /usr/share/doc/<program>. You can often just copy that to the active directory. |
| 17:06.34 | thinky | hmm |
| 17:06.41 | jhutchins | thinky: The default for Debian sudo is pretty complicated and has lots of stuff you'll never need. |
| 17:07.11 | thinky | is that why we removed it and install again? |
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| 17:07.44 | thinky | by the way while i am installing debian i chose other interfaces too. now i have a lot of terminal versions |
| 17:07.46 | thinky | mate |
| 17:07.53 | thinky | cinnamon |
| 17:07.54 | thinky | etc |
| 17:08.00 | thinky | i just wanna use gnome classic |
| 17:08.06 | thinky | how can i delete others ? |
| 17:08.07 | swift110-phone | Mate |
| 17:08.23 | thinky | mate terminal |
| 17:08.28 | thinky | xfce terminal |
| 17:08.32 | thinky | and terminal |
| 17:08.37 | thinky | i dont need many terminals |
| 17:09.48 | jhutchins | thinky: Are you short on space? |
| 17:10.01 | thinky | yes |
| 17:10.15 | jhutchins | THere's also xterm. |
| 17:10.55 | jhutchins | thinky: You can remove them. If they installed as part of a desktop they may want to remove other stuff too. |
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| 17:11.34 | thinky | i regret choosing all of them |
| 17:12.03 | jhutchins | thinky: You can remove them, and install them agian later one at a time if you like. |
| 17:12.10 | jelly | thinky: something like «dpkg -l task\*desktop | grep ^.i» will show which desktop environments you have installed |
| 17:12.12 | thinky | how can i remove? |
| 17:12.13 | jhutchins | !remove xfce |
| 17:12.23 | jhutchins | !remove gnome |
| 17:12.23 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 17:12.28 | thinky | hm |
| 17:12.36 | jhutchins | !remove kde |
| 17:12.37 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 17:12.53 | jelly | jhutchins: the gnome factoid is very outdated |
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| 17:13.10 | thinky | but i gnome classic look in ubuntu |
| 17:13.10 | jhutchins | jelly: Gnome gets it's fingers into everything. |
| 17:13.11 | markybob | and he wants gnome |
| 17:13.22 | thinky | i love - |
| 17:13.34 | jhutchins | Nonetheless, those are examples of how to do it in general. |
| 17:13.48 | jelly | jhutchins: there's nothing fucking general about any of those |
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| 17:14.13 | jelly | it's all very specific, and dated about ~wheezy or so |
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| 17:15.45 | zykotick9 | jelly: actually wheezy used gnome3 so ~squeeze i'd guess |
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| 17:16.00 | thinky2 | installed chrome |
| 17:16.17 | jelly | jhutchins: many of the factoids are outdated; best try not confusing users, verify them before doing !stuff in the channel |
| 17:16.20 | thinky2 | how can i set my Wifi connection? |
| 17:17.33 | dontknow | thinky2, what is it to do with chrome? |
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| 17:18.07 | thinky | nothing |
| 17:18.10 | thinky | i just like it |
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| 17:18.25 | thinky | debian doesnt recognize my wifi connection |
| 17:18.29 | thinky | how can i set it? |
| 17:18.52 | zykotick9 | thinky: in a terminal, does "lspci -nn | grep -i net" show your wifi? |
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| 17:21.01 | jhutchins | jelly: If they are known to be obsolete, perhaps they should be deleted. |
| 17:21.29 | thinky2 | it shows network adapter |
| 17:21.34 | thinky2 | intel centrino 9200 |
| 17:21.39 | jhutchins | jelly: I had thought the gnome one was more current than 2. |
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| 17:21.57 | heap_ | hi where i can get targetcli.service file? |
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| 17:22.28 | heap_ | its not part of the debian package |
| 17:22.32 | heap_ | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/targetcli/filelist |
| 17:22.34 | thinky2 | how can i set it? |
| 17:22.36 | thinky2 | wifi ? |
| 17:22.56 | jhutchins | thinky: Is it a laptop? |
| 17:23.11 | zykotick9 | thinky: thinky2 i'd "guess" you probably have an intel wireless card as well... but that's just a guess. FYI, intel-wifi will need drivers from non-free repo. best of luck... |
| 17:23.40 | Brigo | heap_, there is not such file in jessie packages. |
| 17:23.43 | markybob | thinky2: it would be really helpful if you pastebin what zykotick9 asked for. this is probably what you need https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 17:23.53 | markybob | thinky2: then reboot |
| 17:23.58 | Brigo | heap_, nor wheezy, i guess. |
| 17:24.13 | thinky2 | zykotick9: that s the problem.. why cant i set debian recognize my system like ubuntu ? |
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| 17:24.18 | heap_ | Brigo: then where is the file ;-) |
| 17:24.33 | markybob | thinky2: it would have if you had used the firmware installer like you should have |
| 17:25.10 | thinky2 | markybob: http://paste.debian.net/plain/419291 |
| 17:25.18 | zykotick9 | thinky2: fyi, there is an unofficial debian netinst that includes many of the non-free drivers/firmware for wifi out of the box... something to think about for next time. debian doesn't unclue non-free software/drivers by default, ubuntu probably does - that's the difference. |
| 17:25.42 | Brigo | heap_, maybe systemd creates it at boot time. |
| 17:25.51 | heap_ | Brigo: nope |
| 17:26.02 | markybob | thinky2: yep. wiki i sent you will make that work |
| 17:26.16 | thinky2 | ok |
| 17:26.22 | thinky2 | let me check if i can install them |
| 17:26.44 | Brigo | heap_, of course not, it is not a service. :) |
| 17:26.46 | heap_ | this is insane |
| 17:26.50 | zykotick9 | thinky2: according to judd & the pciid your wireless should work! you'll need iwlwifi as markybob linked above. |
| 17:27.10 | jhutchins | heap_: Maybe it's called something else in Debian, or maybe you just need to not load the GUI target. |
| 17:27.13 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hello is there an app that can be installed in mate desktop to allow flipping the mouse scroll direction for use in certain applications? |
| 17:27.32 | heap_ | Brigo: i dont know configuration disappear each time system gets rebooted... everyone says it has to be enabled by service to prebent that conf lost |
| 17:27.44 | thinky2 | hmm |
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| 17:27.51 | LinuxGuy2020 | I know KDE has this built in and I think XFCE if I remember correctly so I know its possible somehow. |
| 17:27.52 | heap_ | man |
| 17:27.55 | heap_ | debian is "MESS" |
| 17:28.12 | markybob | heap_: you don't have to use it |
| 17:28.25 | heap_ | markybob: i dont have a time to change |
| 17:28.28 | heap_ | but sure will do soon |
| 17:28.46 | heap_ | i need a system not shit |
| 17:29.04 | Brigo | heap_, you mean Multi Environment Switching System? :) |
| 17:29.22 | thinky2 | cant install them |
| 17:29.22 | heap_ | no one working linux crap |
| 17:29.46 | heap_ | no,* |
| 17:29.54 | thinky2 | http://paste.debian.net/plain/419292 |
| 17:29.56 | zykotick9 | i hope MESS and MAME get moved to main soon. |
| 17:31.13 | markybob | thinky2: no. you nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list and then add "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free" to it with no quotes |
| 17:31.51 | markybob | thinky2: and you need to be root or use sudo |
| 17:32.17 | thinky2 | i am sudoer ! :p |
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| 17:32.30 | markybob | thinky2: yeah. you need to use sudo for it to work |
| 17:32.32 | markybob | jesus |
| 17:32.41 | thinky2 | hmm |
| 17:32.44 | thinky2 | sudo deb? |
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| 17:32.55 | markybob | thinky2: no. sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:33.07 | maroloccio | hi. on jessie, which gnome theme maximises my screen real estate on a 12" laptop? |
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| 17:33.50 | maroloccio | i would prefer to use gnome rather than xfce, which is compact enough but lacks some needed features.. |
| 17:34.08 | JyZyXEL | W: Failed to fetch http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/jessie-backports/Release Unable to find expected entry 'iceweasel-release/binary-amd64/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 17:34.09 | swift110-phone | Mate' |
| 17:34.18 | JyZyXEL | did debian mozilla team discontinue iceweasel? |
| 17:34.23 | UNIXwz0r | any idea how to get qualcomm atheros 9377 drivers to work aka ath10k_pci i got the firmware install and load the module |
| 17:34.29 | zykotick9 | thinky2: <note> you _should_ already have a "deb FOO jess main" line, but add the "contrib non-free" to the line you already have for the main repo. you should perhaps paste your sources.list after you're finished editing. |
| 17:34.30 | UNIXwz0r | but it still doesn't work |
| 17:34.31 | thinky2 | http://paste.debian.net/plain/419294 |
| 17:34.47 | H4ndy | dont they want to switch back to regular Firefox and Thunderbird? |
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| 17:35.19 | TomTomTosch | JyZyXEL, yes. they did a while ago. |
| 17:35.29 | heap_ | so were i can find this file? |
| 17:35.30 | zykotick9 | thinky2: i'm guessing you installed without internet! you need to add some stuff to your file! |
| 17:35.30 | JyZyXEL | TomTomTosch: where is the memo on this? |
| 17:35.35 | JyZyXEL | and whats the alternative now? |
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| 17:35.52 | zykotick9 | !sources |
| 17:35.52 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:35.58 | zykotick9 | thinky2: see above. |
| 17:36.05 | thinky2 | ok :S |
| 17:36.11 | maroloccio | is anybody running gnome on a 12" screen? |
| 17:36.14 | TomTomTosch | JyZyXEL, it's firefox now. you can read the duscussion here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 |
| 17:36.15 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/815006 in iceweasel (open): «Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-17; last modified: 2016-03-06. |
| 17:36.31 | JyZyXEL | TomTomTosch: then what is this: http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/jessie-backports/firefox-release/binary-amd64/Packages |
| 17:36.43 | JyZyXEL | 45.0.1, thats very recent? |
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| 17:36.53 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: Inexplicably they renamed the package in backports and didn't provide any transitional hooks. |
| 17:37.11 | JyZyXEL | oh it actually name firefox |
| 17:37.14 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: I haven't checked yet to see if installing Firefox from backports removes iceweasel. |
| 17:37.31 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: Yes. They made up. |
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| 17:38.19 | heap_ | man this is insane shit |
| 17:38.34 | heap_ | everyone is describing in howto that file but its nowehre |
| 17:38.53 | heap_ | cant believe just cant |
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| 17:39.08 | TomTomTosch | heap_, we can't help you if you don't give us any iformation. |
| 17:39.12 | thm | any dotdeb user here? |
| 17:39.30 | JyZyXEL | why do they make huge decisions like this and don't even make sure that users are informed about them? |
| 17:39.36 | heap_ | TomTomTosch: what information? i clearly said i need targetcli.service to register it with systemctl |
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| 17:40.02 | jhutchins | heap_: systemd is new and still very much in transition. |
| 17:40.12 | heap_ | god. |
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| 17:40.20 | TomTomTosch | heap_, and we clearly said, it's not there. tell us what you want to do, not what you think needs to be done. |
| 17:40.20 | heap_ | lets transit that shit to hell |
| 17:40.23 | heap_ | apparently. |
| 17:40.28 | thinky2 | nothing happens |
| 17:40.40 | heap_ | TomTomTosch: i need to restore configuration after reboot |
| 17:40.46 | heap_ | i dont have any more details. |
| 17:40.56 | heap_ | http://atodorov.org/blog/2015/04/07/how-to-configure-iscsi-target-on-red-hat-enterprise-linux-7/ |
| 17:41.01 | zykotick9 | thinky2: can you pastebin your sources.list now. |
| 17:41.10 | thinky2 | brb |
| 17:41.20 | Pinchiukas | I'm trying to automate debootstrap and I need a way to automatically select a kernel. Any ideas how I can do that? |
| 17:41.35 | thm | I wonder how I would use pecl with pho7 from dotdeb. |
| 17:41.44 | TomTomTosch | heap_, and you are confused that RHEL tutorials don't work on debian? |
| 17:41.47 | jhutchins | heap_: Try just disabling graphical.target |
| 17:41.53 | heap_ | TomTomTosch: no. |
| 17:42.04 | heap_ | TomTomTosch: each howto/doc says it requires that file |
| 17:42.05 | jhutchins | heap_: That's essentially the same as the strategy in init, just don't load the DM. |
| 17:42.17 | heap_ | dm? |
| 17:42.19 | JyZyXEL | they did use Replaces: iceweasel |
| 17:42.20 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell thm about dotdeb |
| 17:42.22 | JyZyXEL | didn't* |
| 17:42.31 | jhutchins | heap_: gdm, whatever display manager. |
| 17:42.38 | heap_ | i dont have any display manager? |
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| 17:42.52 | heap_ | whats connection with display manager here? |
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| 17:43.10 | jhutchins | heap_: The login/greeter, and I'm talking about how you turn off the GUI if you're in init instead of systemd. |
| 17:43.14 | thinky | sorry pc got frozen |
| 17:43.38 | heap_ | jhutchins: i dont understand what are you talking about. sorry. |
| 17:43.50 | jhutchins | heap_: Me too. |
| 17:44.03 | heap_ | then dont reply with random stuff |
| 17:44.13 | thinky | how can be sure if i added correctly? |
| 17:44.18 | jhutchins | heap_: It's not random. |
| 17:44.27 | thm | zykotick9: ok. |
| 17:44.38 | heap_ | jhutchins: it doesnt make any sense. |
| 17:45.00 | heap_ | im talking about targetcli.service and on system without any DM |
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| 17:45.11 | jhutchins | heap_: Let me review: disable the graphical.target and you'll probably get the result you want. You probably don't need a cli.target |
| 17:45.40 | heap_ | i dont have any graphical.target??? |
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| 17:45.52 | jhutchins | heap_: Ok. |
| 17:46.09 | heap_ | graphical.target static |
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| 17:46.21 | heap_ | why should i disable something static there |
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| 17:47.06 | thinky | what was the command? nano /etc ? |
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| 17:50.21 | heap_ | eh |
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| 17:50.42 | heap_ | that was really "usefull" |
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| 17:51.44 | zykotick9 | thinky: can you run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999" and post the url |
| 17:51.47 | TomTomTosch | being a jerk is probably not how you'll get the best help. |
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| 17:52.14 | thinky | Reading package lists... Done m@thinkm-debian:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999 http://termbin.com/t05p |
| 17:52.21 | heap_ | TomTomTosch: probably. |
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| 17:53.11 | thinky | no sound also :S |
| 17:53.19 | thinky | debian doesnt recognize anything |
| 17:53.21 | heap_ | its not my faulse that i have that crap installed there |
| 17:53.26 | heap_ | fault* |
| 17:53.36 | zykotick9 | thinky: your sources.list is still _very_ broken... the line with "deb cdrom..." should probably be commented out (have a # put at beginning). but you NEED to add the various online repos |
| 17:53.42 | zykotick9 | !sources |
| 17:53.42 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:54.29 | thinky | zykotick9: what was the command nano etc ? |
| 17:54.36 | thinky | to reach that direction |
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| 17:54.47 | zykotick9 | thinky: as root "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 17:55.18 | zykotick9 | thinky: OR, as user "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 17:56.27 | thinky | zykotick9: http://imgur.com/15diaEL |
| 17:56.34 | thinky | where and how should i add " deb " : |
| 17:56.35 | thinky | ? |
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| 17:57.21 | Pinchiukas | How do I programatically determine the architecture of the kernel that I need to install? |
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| 17:58.03 | thinky | zykotick9: http://paste.debian.net/plain/419306 |
| 17:58.08 | thinky | at the end of the latest line? |
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| 17:59.50 | zykotick9 | thinky: put a # at the start of the "deb cdrom..." line, then add the following 3 lines to the bottom, as dpkg mentions above http://paste.debian.net/419307/ |
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| 18:00.20 | TomTomTosch | Pinchiukas, what keeps you from calling uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' ? |
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| 18:02.19 | thinky | zykotick9: http://paste.debian.net/plain/419309 |
| 18:02.22 | thinky | is it ok now? |
| 18:02.26 | TomTomTosch | Pinchiukas, you can exec a shell from c or python or whatever you use. |
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| 18:04.20 | zykotick9 | thinky: no. you have stuff repeated now - and one "deb cdrom ..." line still isn't commented out. but you have to remove/comment the lines that are the same now. |
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| 18:05.45 | thinky | i dont know how to do that :S |
| 18:05.52 | heap_ | http://paste.fedoraproject.org/345818/14591018/ |
| 18:05.53 | heap_ | the file |
| 18:06.22 | heap_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:07.09 | jmcnaught | heap_: it could be because targetcli isn't in jessie and you're looking at a wheezy package |
| 18:07.22 | zykotick9 | thinky: i'm sorry - i don't think i'm able to help you further... this file should have 3 (just three) lines that don't start with # currently you have 9 |
| 18:07.57 | heap_ | jmcnaught: i dont know targetctli is completely broken in debian. |
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| 18:09.44 | jmcnaught | heap_: it looks like it was removed from testing sometime before jessie became stable |
| 18:10.44 | heap_ | to remove something is not a solution. |
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| 18:12.19 | heap_ | if someone randomly remove this and that |
| 18:12.26 | heap_ | who can use system like that |
| 18:12.26 | heap_ | eh |
| 18:12.28 | jmcnaught | heap_: you could try backporting the package from unstable, but i bet you'll have to do the process for more than one. "/msg dpkg ssb" for a quick how-to do this |
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| 18:13.27 | jmcnaught | heap_: while jessie was in development there was a policy of package auto-removals if their serious bugs were not fixed in time for release. not sure the exact story for this package, if you check the debian package tracker and BTS there are probably answers |
| 18:13.51 | thinky | thx for your help zykotick9 |
| 18:14.03 | zykotick9 | thinky: best of luck. |
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| 18:14.15 | heap_ | jmcnaught: ok |
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| 18:14.28 | thinky | i think i will go back ubuntu |
| 18:14.32 | heap_ | where is systemctl looking for xy.service files? |
| 18:14.32 | thinky | it is difficult for me |
| 18:14.40 | heap_ | thinky: good idea. |
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| 18:15.07 | jmcnaught | heap_: the various paths are listed in systemd.unit(5) |
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| 18:15.56 | jmcnaught | thinky: you can get the hang of it. i think if you spend some time reading Debian's manuals and wiki it'll all start to make sense :) |
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| 18:16.05 | heap_ | but apparently noone works as expected. |
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| 18:16.14 | thinky | i am stuck |
| 18:16.18 | thinky | i cant move |
| 18:16.37 | heap_ | i stored it into /etc/systemd/user |
| 18:16.48 | thinky | if i get wifi and sound at least |
| 18:16.49 | thinky | by now |
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| 18:16.58 | thinky | i could get rest and watch a movie on debian |
| 18:16.58 | heap_ | thinky: install ubuntu. |
| 18:17.14 | heap_ | and you can escape all that pain |
| 18:17.19 | thinky | heap_: are u trying to get rid of me? :l |
| 18:17.31 | heap_ | no... |
| 18:17.34 | jmcnaught | heap_: probably not helping |
| 18:17.40 | TomTomTosch | thinky, just the usual troll. |
| 18:17.52 | thinky | lol no problem |
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| 18:17.55 | heap_ | TomTomTosch: eh... |
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| 18:18.08 | TomTomTosch | thinky, if you have the time i can maybe help you get wifi working. |
| 18:18.28 | heap_ | jmcnaught: not helping what? |
| 18:18.47 | jmcnaught | heap_: your comments to thinky, no need to discourage people |
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| 18:19.07 | heap_ | jmcnaught: i can see how it works. |
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| 18:19.19 | heap_ | and how full of mess it is |
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| 18:20.09 | Pinchiukas | TomTomTosch: that returns "generic". :) |
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| 18:20.38 | Pinchiukas | Ah sorry that was on Ubuntu. |
| 18:20.44 | thinky_ | sorry |
| 18:20.46 | Pinchiukas | Still it sucks that it doesn't work for both. |
| 18:20.54 | thinky_ | it doesnt recognize anything |
| 18:20.59 | thinky_ | i am using docking station |
| 18:21.11 | thinky_ | i plugged off from there and screen got black |
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| 18:22.23 | thinky_ | are u there? |
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| 18:25.42 | thinky_ | !sources |
| 18:25.42 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 18:27.22 | thinky_ | pls just tell me how to delete source |
| 18:27.26 | thinky_ | what s the command? |
| 18:27.59 | markybob | thinky_: sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list and then ctrl+k will delete each line |
| 18:28.20 | thinky_ | ok |
| 18:28.20 | markybob | thinky_: type in the new three lines (no quotes). ctrl+x to exit. y to save |
| 18:28.30 | thinky_ | there s only 1 source as i see |
| 18:28.33 | thinky_ | it s the dvd rom |
| 18:28.36 | thinky_ | let me show u |
| 18:28.49 | thinky_ | http://paste.debian.net/plain/419315 |
| 18:29.05 | thinky_ | this is the current sources when i get in nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:29.22 | thinky_ | all has # |
| 18:29.28 | thinky_ | just dvd rom existing |
| 18:29.37 | thinky_ | right? |
| 18:30.28 | thinky_ | deleted all lines |
| 18:30.38 | thinky_ | now is there a way to save it ? |
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| 18:31.23 | thinky_ | y for save ok |
| 18:31.25 | thinky_ | let me try |
| 18:31.41 | markybob | thinky_: did you add the proper lines or just deleted everything? |
| 18:31.56 | thinky_ | deleted everything |
| 18:32.00 | thinky_ | now adding proper lines |
| 18:32.04 | thinky_ | and then will save |
| 18:32.05 | markybob | thinky_: this is the problem. you need to listen |
| 18:32.09 | thinky_ | ok |
| 18:32.11 | thinky_ | sorry |
| 18:32.18 | thinky_ | can we start again? |
| 18:32.25 | markybob | thinky_: make it look *exactly* like this https://paste.debian.net/419316/ |
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| 18:32.53 | thinky_ | ok |
| 18:32.59 | thinky_ | just 3 lines will be there right? |
| 18:33.04 | markybob | thinky_: yes |
| 18:33.08 | thinky_ | ctrl+y to save ? |
| 18:33.22 | markybob | thinky_: ctrl+x then y |
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| 18:33.35 | thinky_ | done |
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| 18:33.58 | markybob | thinky_: apt-get update |
| 18:33.58 | thinky_ | come on |
| 18:34.05 | thinky_ | it is empty now |
| 18:34.11 | thinky_ | why didnt it add all 3 lines ? |
| 18:34.31 | markybob | i have no idea what you hit on your keyboard. where you root? |
| 18:34.38 | markybob | were* |
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| 18:35.09 | thinky_ | markybob: [ Error writing etc/apt/sources.list: No such file or directory ] |
| 18:35.24 | markybob | thinky_: it's /etc/apt/sources.list (you forgot the first /) |
| 18:35.34 | thinky_ | grrr |
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| 18:35.36 | thinky_ | ok sorry |
| 18:36.51 | thinky_ | done markybob |
| 18:36.58 | thinky_ | updating now |
| 18:37.10 | thinky_ | will it find all necessary drivers or just wifi? |
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| 18:37.38 | markybob | thinky_: after it updates you need to apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi and that'll install your wifi |
| 18:37.47 | markybob | thinky_: reboot after apt-get install |
| 18:38.03 | thinky_ | markybob: is this just wifi? |
| 18:38.06 | thinky_ | all 3 lines? |
| 18:38.09 | markybob | thinky_: yes |
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| 18:38.21 | thinky_ | how can i install other necessary drivers? |
| 18:38.37 | markybob | thinky_: i don't know what other drivers you need. one problem at a time |
| 18:38.42 | thinky_ | ok |
| 18:38.46 | thinky_ | let me finish this |
| 18:38.50 | thinky_ | thank you a lot really |
| 18:38.59 | thinky_ | done installing |
| 18:39.01 | markybob | np |
| 18:39.02 | thinky_ | now i wll reboot |
| 18:39.03 | thinky_ | brb |
| 18:39.28 | markybob | please baby jesus let this work so i don't have to shoot myself |
| 18:40.27 | jelly | wonder who else thinks "go back to ubuntu" was uncalled for |
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| 18:41.26 | markybob | anyway i'm going for a smoke break. hopefully come back to good news :P |
| 18:42.06 | jelly | !comfort markybob |
| 18:42.07 | dpkg | There, there, markybob. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 18:43.46 | thinky | wifi is working now ! :) |
| 18:44.08 | thinky | thx guys for your help |
| 18:44.12 | thinky | really you are great |
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| 18:44.38 | jelly | edju: you have a space extra in front of that /msg |
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| 19:12.32 | mtn | maroloccio: what does compact mean in this case? |
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| 19:12.44 | maroloccio | less padding around UI controls |
| 19:13.02 | mtn | maroloccio: what do you mean by padding? |
| 19:13.05 | maroloccio | mtn: that would allow me to fit more content and less "chrome" on my 12" screen |
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| 19:13.35 | mtn | maroloccio: sounds like you want to change your resolution, to make things smaller |
| 19:13.39 | maroloccio | in a UI button, i consider padding all the blank space around the text of the button. blank space which increases the surface area of the button but does otherwise add little |
| 19:13.54 | maroloccio | mtn: resolution is already maxed out. 12" is small |
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| 19:14.06 | maroloccio | a compact UI theme? |
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| 19:14.13 | maroloccio | a gnome extension? |
| 19:14.17 | maroloccio | a GTK file? |
| 19:14.22 | maroloccio | i am lost |
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| 19:19.12 | ericandrewlewis | I installed debian for a dual-boot with OS X, using rEFInd. |
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| 19:19.31 | ericandrewlewis | Debian seems to have installed Grub, which starts up when I turn on my computer, rather than rEFInd. |
| 19:19.47 | ericandrewlewis | Did I do something wrong? |
| 19:19.56 | blind | Install rEFInd over it |
| 19:20.00 | maroloccio | ericandrewlewis: try pressing option at boot |
| 19:20.32 | ericandrewlewis | Yeah, that works to load OS X. |
| 19:20.38 | ericandrewlewis | So I should install rEFInd again? |
| 19:20.44 | maroloccio | and without to launch debian |
| 19:20.47 | blind | yeah. |
| 19:21.12 | blind | when I installed debian, I told it to skip installing grub because I knew I was going to use rEFInd :p |
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| 19:21.31 | ericandrewlewis | Yeah...I didn't see that option. Maybe I should've used the Advanced Install option? |
| 19:21.54 | blind | Hm, potentially.. I used the CLI installer and it asked me which disk to install grub on. |
| 19:22.26 | ericandrewlewis | Ah, I used the graphical. |
| 19:22.28 | blind | but yeah you can just re-install rEFInd and be good. |
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| 19:22.34 | ericandrewlewis | Okay, I'll try that, thanks! |
| 19:22.38 | blind | though be warned, OS X updates will frequently overwrite it |
| 19:22.53 | blind | and you'll have to re-install |
| 19:23.32 | maroloccio | i'd be careful as it depends on whether you put grub on the drive or on the partition.. |
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| 19:27.14 | ericandrewlewis | maroloccio: you mean on the debian partition or the EFI partition? |
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| 19:28.02 | ericandrewlewis | I need GRUB to load Debian, right? |
| 19:28.05 | maroloccio | deps on what you selected when you installed debian. |
| 19:28.10 | maroloccio | you do need grub, yes |
| 19:28.25 | blind | not if you have refind |
| 19:28.31 | ericandrewlewis | I guess the simple install made an assumption about where to put it, I think on the EFI partition |
| 19:28.33 | blind | refind will load linux kernels directly. |
| 19:29.03 | maroloccio | blind: is that desirable? how would you add a temporary boot switch to the linux boot string using refi only? |
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| 19:29.27 | blind | changing the config |
| 19:29.44 | maroloccio | a bit unnatural for a typical linux user.. |
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| 19:29.55 | blind | unnatural for a linux user to change the config file? |
| 19:29.59 | blind | what world do you live in? |
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| 19:30.18 | ericandrewlewis | both seem like possible paths :) |
| 19:30.18 | maroloccio | blind: :) you are funny. i meant change the refi config |
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| 19:30.40 | blind | change the refind config vs changing the grub config.. what's the difference? |
| 19:30.45 | maroloccio | blind: i like the aggression though. :) |
| 19:30.52 | blind | I mean besides the syntax |
| 19:30.57 | blind | essentially the same thing |
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| 19:31.37 | blind | I personally very much prefer rEFInd for my EFI systems. |
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| 19:33.26 | maroloccio | blind: you seem competent. ;) maybe you can help me. i have a 12" screen. need gnome (ouch!). i'd like a compact UI theme.. a bit like xfce.. any ideas? |
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| 19:34.00 | blind | I don't use gnome so I'm not sure what themes are out there.. why is gnome a necessity? |
| 19:34.26 | maroloccio | some dependencies. i otherwise can use xfce fine on this machine (it's compact enough) |
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| 19:36.48 | jmcnaught | maroloccio: gnome and xfce can both be installed at the same time in Debian. I don't know if there are any Gnome 3 themes in Debian besides the default one. To use a theme downloaded from the internet you'll probably want to enable the "user themes" extension in tweak tool |
| 19:36.49 | dfas | My computer has 1gb of ram. Can I use debian and virtualbox with xp? |
| 19:37.32 | jmcnaught | dfas: it unlikely to be very pleasant to use. make sure you have lots of swap, and beverages. |
| 19:37.39 | maroloccio | jmcnaught: i did enable user themes in gnome-tweak-tool. those i could find online are too old and don't work. yes, i do have task-gnome-desktop alongside task-xfce-desktop |
| 19:38.19 | dfas | jmcnaught: is there anything i can do on the debian side to make it usable? |
| 19:38.24 | dfas | xp i mean |
| 19:38.26 | jmcnaught | maroloccio: i have a 12" display and don't really mind the size of the title bars. |
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| 19:39.03 | jmcnaught | dfas: running two operating systems at the same time (one in virtualizatin) is going to be slow on 1GB of RAM. Just don't use XP. |
| 19:39.25 | maroloccio | jmcnaught: do you use tools like eclipse? in there i can barely see anything.. |
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| 19:40.07 | maroloccio | dfas: if you can avoid XP, that is. you may not |
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| 19:40.24 | dfas | jmcnaught: I really need to use xp. IXP min requirements are 64mb ram |
| 19:40.26 | jmcnaught | maroloccio: oh, yeah i know what you mean with IDEs like eclipse. you can collapse stuff in eclipse. honestly i don't think a gnome theme is going to help much. I usually use vim |
| 19:41.00 | markybob | dfas: i'd dual-boot |
| 19:41.06 | maroloccio | jmcnaught: i also use vim. is vim as good as eclipse for java dev? |
| 19:41.16 | maroloccio | dfas: yes, dual boot.. |
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| 19:41.28 | dfas | I'm currently going through an install of debian - is there a recommended desktop I should use? |
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| 19:41.40 | jmcnaught | dfas: okay. like i said it'll probably work (if your CPU supports virtualization), but it will be slow. VBox can limit the ram for a guest. |
| 19:41.51 | dfas | maroloccio: that's unfortnately not an option. I have to use virtual machine |
| 19:42.03 | markybob | dfas: with those specs...i'd go xfce. hell i use xfce with everything though. it's light and useable |
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| 19:42.52 | dfas | I've heard of openbox - would that reduce ram usage? |
| 19:42.57 | jmcnaught | maroloccio: you can probably customize vim to be good at anything. my girlfriend uses eclipse on a 12" WXGA screen and she manages. Use an external monitor maybe? |
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| 19:43.56 | maroloccio | jmcnaught: dont have one, cant afford one, not even staying at my place. does she use gnome o xfce? |
| 19:44.23 | jmcnaught | maroloccio: yup, stock debian jessie |
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| 19:44.46 | jmcnaught | maroloccio: gnome i mean |
| 19:44.48 | dfas | hmm, just noticed that the machine i have actually has 1.25gb....if that makes a huge difference |
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| 19:45.41 | maroloccio | jmcnaught: that is impressive. how does she manage. can you ask whether she uses any ui customisation at all, please? |
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| 19:45.53 | maroloccio | dfas: probably not :( |
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| 19:46.25 | jmcnaught | dfas: xfce is a good suggestion, you can also install openbox and choose which one to use at login |
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| 19:47.20 | dfas | Ok, I'll go with xfce and see how it goes. |
| 19:47.39 | dfas | note that the machine is from 2002 |
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| 19:48.11 | jmcnaught | maroloccio: i think she just collapses parts of eclipse she's not using, and only sometimes. anyways i'm sure you'll find a way that works for you |
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| 19:55.23 | ericandrewlewis | If I don't have an ethernet port, what's the best way to install support for wifi? |
| 19:55.47 | ericandrewlewis | It seems like it's the broadcom-sta-dkms package, but that has a few recursive dependencies |
| 19:56.04 | ericandrewlewis | Which I could dump all to a usb and install via dpkg |
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| 19:56.11 | npo | ericandrewlewis: you can download the dependencies and drivers, put them on a usb drive or cdrom and install them from there |
| 19:56.16 | npo | yeah |
| 19:56.43 | npo | that's what i had to do for the ancient laptop i have |
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| 20:01.38 | ericandrewlewis | The installation process is very hard on a modern Macbook. |
| 20:01.44 | count | hey folks :) |
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| 20:02.36 | count | I'm having trouble building a package (mutt-patched) from git (https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-mutt/mutt.git), although the version on the master branch would be perfectly fine for me |
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| 20:03.00 | count | is there a place where a git-based autobuilt package is uploaded? |
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| 20:07.52 | jmcnaught | apt-zip |
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| 20:08.23 | jmcnaught | errr.. ericandrewlewis: "/msg dpkg apt-zip" for a factoid that might help you |
| 20:08.41 | jmcnaught | ericandrewlewis: or borrow an ethernet adapter for the afternoon |
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| 20:11.24 | ericandrewlewis | jmcnaught: nice, i'll check that out. |
| 20:12.03 | ericandrewlewis | I could bring it to work and use the ethernet, but it'd be cool if we found a straight-forward path for users w/o ethernet ports |
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| 20:50.09 | Walakea | where should i put an executable binary program i downloaded from internet? |
| 20:50.54 | hanshenrik | Walakea, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/8656/usr-bin-vs-usr-local-bin-on-linux |
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| 20:51.09 | vicarion | in the trash |
| 20:51.46 | hanshenrik | /usr/local/{s}bin |
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| 20:52.16 | Walakea | thanks |
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| 20:58.29 | Walakea | i got my wifi to work earlier (before OS reinstall) by downloading some software from internet; it required me to copy some files to /usr/src, some .bin files to /lib/firmware, and install them via dkms; it worked i wonder if can do it only woth packages |
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| 20:58.50 | Walakea | i already know that i need something from firmware-realtek |
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| 20:59.43 | G66K | hello everyone |
| 20:59.47 | Testor | hello |
| 20:59.58 | Walex | Walakea: that is usually a baddish idea as you have realized. However there is an argument for treating firmware files as locally provided configuration files. |
| 21:00.03 | G66K | im using iceweasel last version and its seems to use a huge amount of ram |
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| 21:00.14 | Walex | G66K: amazing news from IRC :-) |
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| 21:01.42 | Testor | G66K: do you know firefox has return to debian repositories? |
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| 21:02.03 | jmcnaught | G66K: are you using any extensions? under the help menu there's an option to restart with add-ons disabled |
| 21:02.16 | Walex | Walakea: the general strategy though is to choose hardware that is known to be supported by what is in standard packages. This may not always be convenient though. |
| 21:02.40 | markybob | Walakea: or use the firmware installer that has it included. that's the smart way to install |
| 21:03.12 | Walakea | i will know it next time |
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| 21:03.49 | tux_cat | where is topiary? |
| 21:04.02 | Walakea | however what is not convenient for me is that that dirty way does not even work on the new kernel |
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| 21:04.27 | Walakea | i will be using stable anyway |
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| 21:05.07 | Walakea | but i wanted to know if i can get it to work without any thrid party software |
| 21:05.35 | markybob | Walakea: no. for a lot of wifi chips you need firmware. no way around it. |
| 21:06.21 | Walakea | not even the non-free repo? |
| 21:06.39 | markybob | Walakea: non-free is third party. that's what the firmware installer includes |
| 21:07.06 | markybob | Walakea: do you know what i'm doing about when i say firmware installer? |
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| 21:07.28 | Walakea | ok, i downloaded the firmware-realtek but dont know what to do next |
| 21:07.42 | Walakea | no |
| 21:07.45 | markybob | Walakea: not what i'm saying |
| 21:07.48 | markybob | !firmware installer |
| 21:07.48 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 21:08.08 | markybob | Walakea: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:08.15 | markybob | Walakea: those iso's come with the firmware included |
| 21:08.22 | markybob | Walakea: so you don't have to do anything. really easy. |
| 21:08.25 | Walakea | yeah i know it asked me for one piece of software in the package firm..-realtek |
| 21:08.39 | markybob | Walakea: if you use the iso it won't even ask you. it has it |
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| 21:08.55 | Walakea | but i dont want to reinstall again |
| 21:09.07 | Walakea | i was reinstalling yesterday |
| 21:09.45 | Walakea | i thought there is a simple way to install that one piece |
| 21:09.47 | markybob | Walakea: pastebin lspci -nn |
| 21:10.27 | Walakea | if you want the name of wifi card i can tell you now |
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| 21:10.45 | Walakea | and it looks like the system know that i have it |
| 21:10.46 | markybob | Walakea: i don't |
| 21:12.03 | Walakea | http://paste.debian.net/419391/ |
| 21:12.54 | markybob | ,pciid 14c3:7630 |
| 21:12.55 | judd | [14c3:7630] is 'MT7630e 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter' from 'MEDIATEK Corp.' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14c3:7630 |
| 21:13.02 | markybob | oh that's no good |
| 21:13.03 | pingfloyd | Walakea: did you try apt-get install firmware-realtek? |
| 21:13.12 | Walakea | yes |
| 21:13.22 | Walakea | even backported |
| 21:13.25 | Walakea | and rebooted |
| 21:13.49 | Walakea | i mean i treid only backported version |
| 21:14.38 | jmcnaught | Walakea: maybe one day there will be a driver for this wifi device in the Linux kernel, but for now I would consider replacing it |
| 21:15.10 | pingfloyd | oh, it's the "mediatek" one that isn't working? |
| 21:15.19 | Walakea | yes |
| 21:15.47 | markybob | they probably have something from their website you can download to use it. debian doesn't support it though |
| 21:16.12 | Walakea | i would like to remind anyone that wasnt listening that i got it to work earlier with some third party software |
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| 21:16.24 | markybob | think that's what i just said |
| 21:16.55 | pingfloyd | or maybe buy an external wifi adapter |
| 21:16.58 | Walakea | i dont think i would be able to open my laptop |
| 21:17.00 | jmcnaught | Walakea: sounds like something you'd have to redo everytime there's a kernel update |
| 21:17.12 | Walakea | and replace the card |
| 21:17.16 | c10Ak_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:17.48 | Walakea | and as i said, the only way i got it to work requires this specific kernel |
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| 21:18.02 | Walakea | debian-stable |
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| 21:18.09 | Walakea | i mean 3.1X |
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| 21:18.55 | Walakea | are there external wifi cards that are plugged into the ethernet port? |
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| 21:19.58 | pingfloyd | there's ones that plug into usb |
| 21:20.02 | grawity | yeah, many wifi APs have a 'station' mode |
| 21:20.14 | grawity | seen that e.g. in ubiquiti picostations |
| 21:20.26 | grawity | but, your laptop probably can't provide power over ethernet |
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| 21:20.34 | pingfloyd | yeah, that's another option, you could create a bridge to ethernet with say your wap |
| 21:20.42 | grawity | so a usb wifi thing would be better |
| 21:20.47 | Walakea | i would rather keep as many usb ports free as i can |
| 21:21.07 | grawity | fine but then you'll have to carry a power cord around |
| 21:21.11 | grawity | well one more than usual |
| 21:21.19 | pingfloyd | yeah, more gear to lug |
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| 21:22.08 | pingfloyd | someone I once talked to used a usb wifi adapter that even worked in Trisquel |
| 21:22.09 | Walakea | oh, power over ethernet, i completely forgot about that |
| 21:22.27 | Walakea | so the usb for sure |
| 21:22.58 | grawity | also, the ethernet-connected ones would need to be configured via a web UI |
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| 21:23.06 | pingfloyd | eww |
| 21:23.07 | grawity | which is a bit annoying when moving around |
| 21:23.19 | grawity | even if it doesn't need any drivers |
| 21:23.35 | pingfloyd | I'd go the usb route, but it's your computer |
| 21:23.35 | grawity | I mean, how else are you going to configure something that's connected over the net |
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| 21:24.29 | pingfloyd | but if you go that route, then you can be real choosy about the chipset at that point |
| 21:24.42 | pingfloyd | so it is sort of a plus in that sense |
| 21:25.04 | grawity | can't you be choosy about the chipset in mini-pcie or whatever's used these days? |
| 21:25.10 | pingfloyd | internal is what we get stuck with. |
| 21:25.15 | pingfloyd | grawity: laptops |
| 21:25.19 | grawity | hence "mini-pcie" |
| 21:25.22 | pingfloyd | oh |
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| 21:26.12 | Walakea | i dont even know where to get a laptop that would work out of bow with for example linux-libre (except those Thinkpads RMS uses) |
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| 21:27.08 | pingfloyd | if you got one, you might as well put that to use |
| 21:28.07 | Walakea | i saw on Debian webpage that there are vendors that sell computers with Debian, i checked few of them but those webpages werent somehow well maintained |
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| 21:29.07 | pingfloyd | Walakea: it's pretty tough to find one that doesn't require some form of proprietary firmware |
| 21:29.45 | Walakea | there are surely some that have Ubuntu but bah |
| 21:31.07 | zykotick9 | Walakea: <sidenote re:linux-libre> IMO, debian's default kernel is just as free as linux-libre, BUT it will prompt for non-free stuff :( but if you don't install that stuff, it's 100% freedom... |
| 21:31.16 | pingfloyd | Walakea: there's this for example https://minifree.org/ |
| 21:33.13 | zykotick9 | also notes https://shop.libiquity.com/ for US x200/libreboot purchases |
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| 21:34.42 | pingfloyd | Walakea: it would be easier shopping for linux compatible laptops if the manufacturers were better about giving useful specs |
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| 21:35.39 | pingfloyd | like you're lucky if they even tell the make of the wifi in one, forget about them telling you the chipset |
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| 21:36.59 | Walakea | btw. the whole UEFI thing was made mandatory so computers could have cool Windows stickers on them? |
| 21:37.26 | Walakea | from the manufacturers point of view, not Microsofts |
| 21:37.34 | pingfloyd | Walakea: it's a racket |
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| 21:39.51 | BinBasher | when does unattended upgrades kick in by default? |
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| 21:42.00 | Walakea | i would like to try the GNU Guix when i am more experienced |
| 21:42.10 | Walakea | but thats the linux-libre kernel |
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| 21:44.01 | Walakea | jesus, i put some files into Dropbox and it totally messed them up |
| 21:45.05 | zykotick9 | Walakea: you want to use linux-libre & GNU Guix... but you still use Dropbox. odd... </OT> |
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| 21:45.52 | Walakea | i am a student, i have to make sure that some things remain |
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| 21:46.34 | Walakea | although one day i will delete my facebook, google and dropbox |
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| 21:50.08 | fwuffykat | hi - I'm installling debian and getting an error at "select and install software". It's asking for media disk. My media disc is fine and I've checked it on another system. What can I do?? |
| 21:50.30 | Walex | fwuffykat: depends on what error you get.. |
| 21:50.52 | fwuffykat | it's prompting me to insert the disc |
| 21:50.54 | markybob | fwuffykat: how did you copy it to your usb/cd/whatever? |
| 21:51.00 | fwuffykat | which is inserted! |
| 21:51.09 | Walex | fwuffykat: ahhhh that is a classic |
| 21:51.16 | fwuffykat | I used k3b |
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| 21:51.30 | Walex | fwuffykat: the error message is highly misleading. |
| 21:51.53 | fwuffykat | I was following this as a solution but got stuck http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=111541 |
| 21:52.03 | markybob | fwuffykat: use the install guide. it says. cp image.iso /dev/sdX |
| 21:52.08 | Walex | fwuffykat: that it really means is "the disc must be in the expected device and mounted at the expected mount point" |
| 21:52.26 | fwuffykat | how can I ensure it is correctly mounted? |
| 21:52.34 | markybob | fwuffykat: a lot of cd/usb burning apps break debian iso badly |
| 21:52.45 | Walex | fwuffykat: look at 'man apt-cdrom' for illumination# |
| 21:53.06 | fwuffykat | the what? |
| 21:53.06 | Walex | fwuffykat: alternatively as "markybob" hints it may be burned wrong. |
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| 21:53.32 | fwuffykat | I burned it again just to make sure - I also know it works on another system |
| 21:53.56 | Walex | fwuffykat: however, you can get into the installer shell, and look at logs to see what it is trying to mount where. |
| 21:54.23 | fwuffykat | yeah, I did that Walex - I'm stuck on how to proceed and what commands to use |
| 21:54.45 | Walex | fwuffykat: try for example to look at 'dmesg' output |
| 21:54.55 | fwuffykat | I typed, blkid in tty2 |
| 21:55.12 | fwuffykat | ok Walex - give me a moment |
| 21:55.15 | Walex | fwuffykat: unfortunately I can't remember what is available in the installer |
| 21:55.36 | Walex | fwuffykat: 'blkid' is a good idea, it should tell you the label of the disc and which device it is on. |
| 21:55.41 | fwuffykat | Ok I just did that - that is a ton of output |
| 21:55.57 | Walex | fwuffykat: probably 'dmesg | tail -50' would be nice |
| 21:56.03 | fwuffykat | ok |
| 21:56.47 | Walex | fwuffykat: probably looking at messages mentioning "mount", "iso9660" or "sr0" or "scd0" is relevanrt |
| 21:57.24 | fwuffykat | yeah I found that after typing blkid |
| 21:57.26 | Walex | fwuffykat: so did 'blkid' list a volume with a label that looka like a Debian release name? |
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| 21:57.46 | fwuffykat | I see it under "/dev/sr0" |
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| 21:58.10 | fwuffykat | LABEL = "DEBIAN 8.3.0 i386....... |
| 21:58.33 | Walex | fwuffykat: then it ought to "just work". Does it match the release you are trying tio install, including the arch? |
| 21:58.54 | jmcnaught | fwuffykat: it sounds to me like you used an installer image other than the netinst one (eg CD1/DVD1), and then on the task selection screen you selected a task that requires packages on a different disc (like CD2, CD3 etc). You could try not selecting so many tasks, and install packages after the first boot, or try the netinst image (which downloads almost everything) |
| 21:58.58 | fwuffykat | yes, it's in /dev/sr0. The name is differnt though. |
| 22:00.01 | fwuffykat | I used this installed image: debian-8.3.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:00.28 | jmcnaught | oh i see |
| 22:00.36 | Walex | fwuffykat: do you have an internet connection on that system? |
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| 22:01.04 | fwuffykat | it's definitely the netinstall image as I was downloading packages during earlier stages of the installation process |
| 22:01.18 | fwuffykat | Walex: yes |
| 22:02.22 | fwuffykat | i tried running "mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom" but get error that "no such file or directory" |
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| 22:03.11 | fwuffykat | when i try "mount -t iso9660 /dev/sdc1 /cdrom" I get error "no such device" |
| 22:03.37 | fwuffykat | I meant "mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom"* |
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| 22:05.24 | fwuffykat | any ideas? |
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| 22:06.25 | fanderal | fwuffykat: you said you checked the netinstall CD... if it was only to see if it booted, the CD may be corrupted in the install process. |
| 22:06.55 | jmcnaught | fwuffykat: which tasks did you select to install? if you can go back in the installer, just select the "standard utilities" task, finish the installation, and install stuff with tasksel/apt-get after the first boot |
| 22:07.19 | fwuffykat | fanderal: I did burn the image twice. I could try another disc I suppose.... |
| 22:07.28 | fanderal | ok |
| 22:07.54 | fwuffykat | jmcnaught: I can't recall all the options selcted, but I remember selcted xcfe |
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| 22:08.10 | fwuffykat | I will try going back, where do you suggest I go back to? |
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| 22:09.15 | fwuffykat | but before i do, do you know why i'm getting an error in tty2 when running the command "mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom". I wonder if that has anything to do with it? |
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| 22:11.26 | jmcnaught | fwuffykat: presumably it's already mounted. what does "mount" tell you? |
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| 22:11.46 | fwuffykat | i tried installing "the GRUB boot loader" and I get the disk error again |
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| 22:12.36 | jmcnaught | fwuffykat: i don't know. i would guess something wrong with the disk, unless you did something weird earlier during the install |
| 22:12.40 | pencilandpaper | Why not use a Xfce iso fwuffykat ? |
| 22:12.50 | fwuffykat | there is quite a lot of text output. What should i be specifically looking for? |
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| 22:13.20 | fwuffykat | ah, it says /dev/sr0 on /cdrom type iso9600 |
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| 22:14.48 | fwuffykat | pencilandpaper: that is an idea. It does mean going through this whole process again, but so be it if there is no solution |
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| 22:16.58 | fwuffykat | Oh, maybe this is the issue. The error message I get begins "/media/cdrom/:Please insert the disc labeled..." during the failed installation. BUT, if you look at the output from "mount" in tty2 it says /dev/sr0 is on /cdrom. It seems the install is expecting it on /media/cdrom when it's on /cdrom. |
| 22:17.47 | jmcnaught | fwuffykat: did you not configure network mirrors during the install? |
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| 22:17.50 | fwuffykat | is there anyway I can fix this, because if this is the issue downloading and trying another iso will probably fail with the same issue |
| 22:18.10 | fwuffykat | yes I did jmcnaught |
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| 22:19.12 | fwuffykat | is there anyway I can get the installation to refer to /cdrom instead of /media/cdrom ? |
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| 22:21.59 | fwuffykat | anyone? |
| 22:22.04 | somiaj | fwuffykat: what do you mean? During the install I'd let the installer put it wherever it wants, but afterwards you can change the /etc/fstab enteries |
| 22:22.28 | somiaj | fwuffykat: as for automounters, I'm unsure what you need to change so it automounts in /cdrom instead of /media/cdrom |
| 22:22.47 | somiaj | you can also just make /cdrom a link that points to /media/cdrom, then let automounters put it in /media/cdrom but you can still access it via /cdrom |
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| 22:23.54 | fwuffykat | thanks somiaj - how do I make a /cdrom link that points to /media/cdrom? |
| 22:24.22 | somiaj | fwuffykat: ln -fs /media/cdrom /cdrom |
| 22:24.33 | fwuffykat | ok, i'll try that right now |
| 22:25.36 | fwuffykat | hmm, it says "ln: /cdrom/cdrom: Read-only file system" |
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| 22:27.02 | somiaj | fwuffykat: you might have to remove the cdrom dir before running that command |
| 22:27.15 | pencilandpaper | I hear you fwuffykat . I went ahead and installed it using the Xfce iso and it installed just fine. |
| 22:27.18 | somiaj | fwuffykat: also is your root fs mounted read-only? You can't put links on readonly file systems. |
| 22:27.49 | somiaj | fwuffykat: I missed your original issue, why do you want the /cdrom to be mounted in there and are you in the installer or on an installed system? |
| 22:27.55 | pencilandpaper | I do it without a network setup, and then go ahead and manually install the drivers for wifi..since I already have them. You have a ethernet connection..you should have no problems. |
| 22:28.19 | somiaj | or in the future use the firmware installer |
| 22:28.32 | npo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.40 | pencilandpaper | Thats a good idea as well somiaj . |
| 22:28.41 | npo | fw installer worked well for me |
| 22:28.50 | pencilandpaper | My firmware installer is Puppy Linux. :) |
| 22:29.12 | somiaj | I would use the one produced by debian |
| 22:29.12 | jmcnaught | somiaj: fwuffykat says that they successfully selected a network mirror and were downloading packages earlier in the installer, so either they didn't understand what was on their screen, or they have some messed up installer |
| 22:29.33 | pencilandpaper | Thats cool somiaj . We all do what we do. |
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| 22:29.52 | somiaj | jmcnaught: ahh, so there are other problems. Should have realized this was an X-Y problem |
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| 22:32.17 | fwuffykat2 | hi - I got disconnected. I may have missed any messages directed to me in the last 2min |
| 22:32.30 | pencilandpaper | Wb fwuffykat2 . |
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| 22:34.14 | fwuffykat2 | ..this installation is such a headache I think I might just try installing another image. Is there a specific iso you can suggest that minimises risks during installation process. Note that the comuter i wish to install on is connected to the internet |
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| 22:34.40 | npo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.46 | fwuffykat2 | I'll also try a fresh installation DVD |
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| 22:35.15 | somiaj | !tell fwuffykat2 about firmware installer |
| 22:35.21 | fwuffykat2 | I was using : debian-8.3.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:35.36 | npo | fwuffykat2: ok, use either the firmware installer or the DVD installer |
| 22:35.42 | somiaj | fwuffykat2: the bot should have sent you a link to a firmware installer that is just like that installer but includes the non-free firmware required for many wifi cards |
| 22:36.09 | somiaj | fwuffykat2: also any reason you are using 32bit and not 64bit (most modern hardware 64 bit + multiarch is more common -- not required just more common) |
| 22:36.35 | fwuffykat2 | my laptop is quite old....doesn't have wifi. I'm using lan. Is the non-free version still preferred? |
| 22:36.42 | pencilandpaper | fwuffykat2, I can toss you a download link to the iso that I used to install debian. |
| 22:37.01 | jmcnaught | fwuffykat2: did the installer tell you that network configuration succeeded? |
| 22:37.02 | npo | fwuffykat2: it depends on what problems youre having with the install |
| 22:37.09 | fwuffykat2 | somiaj: this is an old laptop I'm using. Pentium 4 with about 1.25gb of ram. |
| 22:37.18 | fwuffykat2 | from 2002/2003 |
| 22:37.25 | pencilandpaper | It depends on what you want to do with your laptop fwuffykat2 . If you want multimedia capabilities you are going to want to add the non-free repo's. |
| 22:37.32 | npo | fwuffykat2: i have something similar, and the firmware installer worked for me |
| 22:38.06 | jmcnaught | fwuffykat2: also after the "Installing base packages" part finished, there's a "Configure the package manager" section. What did you configure there? |
| 22:38.24 | somiaj | fwuffykat2: that's fine, if you have a specific reason for 32bit, and that sounds reasonable. My comment was more in general for most situations I see these days. |
| 22:38.35 | fwuffykat2 | pencilandpaper: I'm primarily setting it up for someone who will probably use it for just surfing the web and office |
| 22:38.58 | jmcnaught | fwuffykat2: if the network configuration fails, or if you do not configure a mirror, then it makes sense that the installer won't be able to find packages and asks for a disc to be inserted |
| 22:39.08 | pencilandpaper | Ok fwuffykat2 ..I would add them regardless just in case they want to do something else while working. Its up to you though. |
| 22:39.34 | fwuffykat2 | jmcnaught: I can't recall what was said during the installation process....so many steps. I think it must have given that applications were downloading. |
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| 22:41.05 | fwuffykat2 | jmcnaught: that's a very good point and that was what I assumed. I was surprised why it asked for the dvd. |
| 22:41.48 | fwuffykat2 | it's especially odd given that files were definitely being downloading during the application process |
| 22:41.59 | fwuffykat2 | application/installation* |
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| 22:42.06 | jmcnaught | fwuffykat2: take notes if you can't remember. pay attention to messages on the screen. the netinst image has some base packages on the image, those are installed in the "Installing base packages" part. Then it asks you to configure a network mirror to download the rest. |
| 22:42.19 | disconnected | hello, I had got debian wheezy with kernel 3.2 - and want to install docker on it |
| 22:42.29 | disconnected | I've updated kernel to 3.16, made all steps from docker install site |
| 22:42.43 | disconnected | but I stillc an't find docker-engine in apt-cache policy, anyone had similar problem? :( |
| 22:43.02 | jmcnaught | disconnected: don't you think starting with Jessie for a new server would be a better choice than starting with oldstable? |
| 22:43.12 | disconnected | jmcnaught: that's not a new server. |
| 22:43.42 | disconnected | jmcnaught: that's the point :p |
| 22:43.43 | jmcnaught | disconnected: docker is packaged for jessie in jessie-backports with the name docker.io |
| 22:44.21 | jmcnaught | disconnected: if you're having problems with the packages in docker's third party repo it's probably better to ask them :) |
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| 22:45.54 | disconnected | jmcnaught: I've asked on their channel as well :). |
| 22:46.36 | jmcnaught | disconnected: my advice is deploying new services to a wheezy server just means more work and potential complications for the jessie upgrade you'll inevitably need to do |
| 22:48.53 | fwuffykat2 | jmcnaught: that's a fair point. I have downloaded this iso "debian-live-8.3.0-i386-xfce-desktop.iso". I'll attempt installation with it. |
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| 22:49.50 | jmcnaught | fwuffykat2: didn't we tell you yesterday that live images aren't very good for installing? use an installer image to install, not a live image |
| 22:50.24 | pencilandpaper | disconnected, the name of the package is docker, not docker-engine. |
| 22:50.49 | pencilandpaper | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=docker&searchon=names&suite=oldstable§ion=all |
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| 22:51.29 | disconnected | pencilandpaper: I meant Docker, the container management software, not a system tray for kde3/gnome2 |
| 22:52.52 | pencilandpaper | O ok, my fault disconnected . I didn't see that even show up anywhere. |
| 22:53.00 | disconnected | Btw why are there dist upgrades? I mean, why can't upgrades be ... handled just by upgrade? |
| 22:53.35 | jmcnaught | disconnected: with Debian, the point of upgrading to the next major release is to get new versions of all the software included. Debian Stable releases stick to the same versions for everything, and every two years there's a new major release that upgrades everything all at once |
| 22:53.53 | markybob | disconnected: you can man apt-get to see the difference. one just upgrade. one removes/adds packages to jump to a different release |
| 22:54.14 | pencilandpaper | Each command serves a different purpose. One deals with software upgrades and the other with system wide upgrades. |
| 22:54.21 | jmcnaught | disconnected: the upgrades that happen for a stable release are security and bug fixes, the versions stay the same (with some exceptions) |
| 22:55.13 | disconnected | wouldn't it be better if repositories serve all versions of particular software? |
| 22:55.29 | markybob | disconnected: no |
| 22:56.49 | jmcnaught | disconnected: things would become unpredictable and difficult to manage that way. The packages in a Debian Stable release have been extensively tested and bug fixed, and are known to work well. This way you get a reliable system with no surprises when applying security updates |
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| 23:00.00 | pencilandpaper | Package docker.io isn't in wheezy repo's or in wheezy-backports disconnected . |
| 23:00.11 | jelly | ,v docker.io |
| 23:00.12 | judd | Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.8.3~ds1-2; sid: 1.8.3~ds1-2 |
| 23:01.00 | disconnected | jmcnaught: you could still have labels assigned to proper versions of particular softwares |
| 23:01.03 | disconnected | (so like dist names) |
| 23:01.18 | disconnected | and call it "stable versions" |
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| 23:01.25 | pencilandpaper | I do see python-docker though disconnected . |
| 23:01.27 | jmcnaught | disconnected: i suppose, but that doesn't change the fact that this is not how Debian works |
| 23:01.38 | pencilandpaper | There it is..nice. |
| 23:02.01 | markybob | disconnected: no. then if you have stable and stretch becomes stable it'll break everything |
| 23:02.22 | disconnected | markybob: stretch? |
| 23:02.31 | markybob | disconnected: current testing |
| 23:02.40 | disconnected | pencilandpaper: afair python-docker is a lib in python to talk with docker api |
| 23:02.47 | disconnected | pencilandpaper: anyway, thanks for searching :) |
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| 23:03.24 | pencilandpaper | Yeah, I saw that..I thought that maybe it would pull in your package though, but if its in the jessie-backports bro..you are going to have to figure it all out. |
| 23:03.35 | pencilandpaper | I don't know if you can compile it for wheezy or not. |
| 23:03.38 | pencilandpaper | Its a thought. |
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| 23:03.56 | disconnected | I'll just set up another vps I guess |
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| 23:05.58 | jmcnaught | disconnected: upgrading from wheezy to jessie is not very difficult, it's really well documented in the release notes |
| 23:06.14 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell disconnected -about wheezy->jessie |
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| 23:09.11 | disconnected | jmcnaught: but that might break something that is already working, right?:p |
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| 23:10.44 | markybob | disconnected: it might since you've mixed stuff |
| 23:10.54 | jmcnaught | disconnected: reading the release notes and following the instructions there are your best bet for not breaking anything. if you have installed a bunch of third-party software, there could be complications |
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| 23:23.14 | kisser | how |
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| 23:53.30 | esotericnonsense | are general linux-related sysadmin questions permitted here? i'm looking for a secure way to share files across linux based systems and coming up short |
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| 23:54.19 | esotericnonsense | nfs looks like it's either insecure or hellish to set up, samba seems like a compromise to allow windows clients, sshfs feels like something i'd have to write a ton of helper scripts around |
| 23:54.35 | ryouma | scripts? |
| 23:55.14 | esotericnonsense | ryouma: i don't know how sshfs works under the hood and whether it would deal with timeouts well |
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| 23:55.36 | esotericnonsense | will it reconnect if a router went down for a decent period of time, etc |
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| 23:56.19 | esotericnonsense | if i can solve that issue I think sshfs is ideal (the ssh protocol seems like the most secure and simple of the options available for transferring encrypted data from X to Y) |
| 23:56.35 | karlpinc | esotericnonsense: Setup a vpn (openvpn?) and run whatever you want inside it. |
| 23:57.03 | esotericnonsense | karlpinc: that's vaguely been my thought :) |
| 23:58.30 | esotericnonsense | something like setting up a VPN with all the machines that are allowed to access the files, and then just use unauthenticated nfs |
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