| 00:00.20 | npo | rip |
| 00:00.35 | PatienceZero | nice repeatspam |
| 00:00.44 | npo | sry |
| 00:01.10 | npo | i was ripping beacuse it appears that you might have misplaced a '/' character, exposing the fact that you were querying freenode about me |
| 00:01.20 | npo | i was just joshin' around |
| 00:01.22 | PatienceZero | No, you were being a smartass. |
| 00:01.25 | npo | true |
| 00:01.27 | PatienceZero | There's a difference. |
| 00:01.57 | npo | did you think i was one of those spammer guys from earler |
| 00:03.13 | PatienceZero | GFY |
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| 00:06.47 | jim | so much hostility |
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| 00:08.21 | npo | wow seriously |
| 00:08.26 | npo | extremely hostile for no goddamn reason |
| 00:09.51 | themill | please move on |
| 00:10.34 | BinBasher | o/ bin_bash |
| 00:11.53 | tharkun | themill: Is dpkg factoids still open for anyone to edit? |
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| 00:12.08 | tharkun | bows to the holder of the Queen's English |
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| 00:16.52 | ghormoon | hi, can I somehow easily switch logical sector size? I've got a case where some disks from other system show up 8x bigger partitions because they're detected wrong in usb caddy |
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| 00:24.29 | karlpinc | ghormoon: What command are you using to report parition size? |
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| 00:26.07 | ghormoon | fdisk (or even the kernel itself complains it's after end of disk) |
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| 00:26.53 | ghormoon | fdisk shows them 8x bigger, kernel truncates the first andignores the rest because they're after end of disk, so I can't mount /dev/sdXY |
| 00:26.59 | markybob | ghormoon: i actually had the same problem today. had to use dd to reset the disk |
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| 00:27.43 | ghormoon | I need to read the data :) worst case I know I can take the partition table and reduce all the sector counts /8 and hope it was correctly aligned |
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| 00:28.09 | markybob | oh i had backups so i didn't give a fuck. didn't look into it much :/ |
| 00:28.13 | ghormoon | but if it wasn't I'll need to move with the partitions back and forth and also there's big space for user error |
| 00:28.26 | ghormoon | this is rommates disk from a system he fucked up :) |
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| 00:29.12 | bmomjian | I was having a weird problem on Jessie where during reboot, the OS would sometimes crash and restart. I couldn't find anything in the server logs showing the cause. However, 30 minutes of reboots this morning was not able to reproduce the problem. |
| 00:29.25 | ghormoon | now I'm dding it on my NAS so I can play with the image and have a backup in case I'll fuck up (zfs snapshots will doo good in this case if i'll be messing only with the partition table :))) |
| 00:30.02 | ghormoon | but I'd prefer if there was a manual way to say the logical sector size is 512B and I didn't have to go through this |
| 00:30.06 | Iridos | ghormoon, on the other hand, nothing makes you have backups like having lost all your data |
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| 00:30.59 | ghormoon | yeah, he doesn't deserve a rommate with 5tb free on a nas box to copy his broken disks :D |
| 00:31.40 | ghormoon | he came with two 1tb disks to rescue, it will be fun if he didn't do it with the spare space :) |
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| 00:33.40 | RoyK | backups are for cowards (tm) |
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| 00:37.19 | polyzen | why is there output missing when i use -print0 with find o.O |
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| 00:39.06 | polyzen | also when i -ls |
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| 00:41.10 | polyzen | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6957259/using-print0-with-o-in-find |
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| 00:53.18 | tharkun | If I choose the automated install on the debian installer will I get a minimal install or will I get a graphical environment? |
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| 01:00.08 | karlpinc | ghormoon: You might look through the kernel parameter docs and see if there's not something you can frob there. Or there might possibly be something in /sys/. I don't really know. Maybe google is your friend? |
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| 01:01.08 | karlpinc | bmomjian: Lordy. Perhaps try running memtest86+ overnight in case it's a ram issue? Do you have ecc ram? |
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| 01:08.20 | orangey | Hello all! |
| 01:08.20 | orangey | In my migration from i386 to amd64 in jessie, I seem to have lost systemd somewhere.. it gives "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1" I'm sure this is because I forgot to either install or configure a package properly somewhere.. any hints? |
| 01:08.20 | orangey | aha.. maybe systemd-sysv |
| 01:09.11 | somiaj | orangey: how are you migrating arches? |
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| 01:14.13 | bmomjian | I have ECC ram, and in fact one of the boots halted on an ECC error at boot time |
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| 01:14.18 | bmomjian | which I found kind of odd |
| 01:14.27 | bmomjian | these are Xeon CPUs |
| 01:14.57 | bmomjian | I thought an ECC error would show a kernel message, not a crash/reboot |
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| 01:22.05 | Guest77538 | Hello friends! I'm having trouble with wifi. Though I've installed iwlwifi and firmware-iwlwifi, network manager doesn't acknowledge that I have any wifi devices |
| 01:22.08 | bmomjian | The crash was 13 seconds from boot, so it feels like the X11 startup crashed the server or something, but again, I couldn't reproduce it this morning. |
| 01:22.45 | Guest77538 | I'm certain that iwlwifi is the proper driver for my chipset |
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| 01:24.00 | bmomjian | Last var/log/message line before the crash was: tracker-extract; Tracker-WARNING **: Sparql update was: |
| 01:24.02 | Guest77538 | I tried setting up wlan0 manually in /etc/network/interfaces, and tried other network managers (wicd and connman), but this still didn't help |
| 01:24.02 | Guest77538 | any help is much appreciated! |
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| 01:27.50 | TomTomTosch | Guest77538 'lspci -nnk | grep -A 2 Network' to paste.debian.net please. |
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| 01:31.11 | dvs | Guest77538, it's because you have wlan0 entry in you interfaces file, network manager will not try and detect it. |
| 01:33.00 | Guest77538 | TomTomTosch, http://paste.debian.net/423117/ |
| 01:33.38 | Guest77538 | dvs, I only put it there afterwards in order to see if I could get around using networkmanager and configure it myself. It is no longer there |
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| 01:34.28 | TomTomTosch | Guest77538, the kernel module isn't loaded. try 'modprobe iwlwifi' |
| 01:35.03 | Guest77538 | TomTomTosch, I have done this and nothing changes |
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| 01:35.31 | Guest77538 | I notice also that dmesg | grep iwl shows nothing |
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| 01:36.43 | MaBunny | guys is the newest version of debian still 8.3 jessie? |
| 01:36.52 | markybob | MaBunny: yes |
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| 01:36.53 | dvs | yes |
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| 01:37.25 | MaBunny | when will it change to a new version,im redownloading the iso to be careful |
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| 01:38.12 | TomTomTosch | Guest77538, no errors? nothing in kern.log? this driver is the correct one for your device. |
| 01:38.37 | karlpinc | MaBunny: You don't need to download a new version. Any Jessie installer will install 8.3, or whatever's latest. |
| 01:39.08 | MaBunny | okie,but its bcoz of tht mouse-moving thingie |
| 01:39.13 | MaBunny | problem |
| 01:39.22 | karlpinc | MaBunny: (Assuming you enable the network on install.) |
| 01:39.35 | MaBunny | yeah i kno tht,netinst |
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| 01:39.52 | Guest77538 | TomTomTosch, grepping for "iwl" in kern.log gives nothing |
| 01:39.54 | MaBunny | i hav one for the amd64,might install tht one too |
| 01:39.58 | markybob | MaBunny: you would do yourself a service to look it up yourself. debian.org would've shown you. it's that easy. |
| 01:40.20 | Guest77538 | If the firmware/driver stuff is all good, why can't networkmanager create a wlan0? |
| 01:40.33 | MaBunny | well,im buying a new 64 gb pendrive this month,so i wanted to ask *just |
| 01:40.54 | TomTomTosch | Guest77538, the module isn't loaded from what you've shown me. |
| 01:43.17 | Guest77538 | How can I load the module if modprobe isn't working? |
| 01:43.26 | markybob | Guest77538: you realize he's telling you to install firmware-iwlwifi and reboot? |
| 01:43.47 | Guest77538 | I've already installed firmware-iwlwifi and rebooted |
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| 01:44.34 | markybob | MaBunny: you might get another 8.4 in a few months. you've got a while. |
| 01:45.15 | TomTomTosch | MaBunny, the next point release will not fix your mouse. |
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| 01:45.51 | Guest77538 | I notice /etc/modules is empty but for comments; could this cause the issue? |
| 01:46.47 | markybob | MaBunny: what does uname -a say? |
| 01:47.15 | jmcnaught | TomTomTosch: MaBunny: well point releases do sometimes come with bug fixes and even backported features, but it's not something i'd count on |
| 01:48.15 | TomTomTosch | Guest77538 no. /etc/modules is for autoloading the module. if modprobe does not work, something is wrong. |
| 01:49.44 | TomTomTosch | Guest77538, the entry could be in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 01:51.46 | Guest77538 | TomTomTosch, http://paste.debian.net/423121/ |
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| 01:54.23 | MaBunny | srry guys had gone to the shop nearby,didnt read what you told to me |
| 01:54.37 | markybob | Guest77538: maybe pastebin apt-cache policy |
| 01:54.40 | Guest77538 | Also, lsmod | grep iwlwifi lists iwlwifi (used by none) and cfg80211 (used only by iwlwifi) |
| 01:54.43 | TomTomTosch | Guest77538, well, it should be there. 'dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi' please. |
| 01:55.01 | MaBunny | heres what uname says: Linux titty 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:55.19 | MaBunny | idu any of it |
| 01:55.45 | markybob | of course it's called titty |
| 01:55.54 | MaBunny | >_> |
| 01:56.00 | MaBunny | i named it myself |
| 01:56.05 | markybob | MaBunny: you could try using the 4.3 kernel from backports |
| 01:56.06 | TomTomTosch | duh ;D |
| 01:56.09 | Guest77538 | TomTomTosch, markybob, http://paste.debian.net/423122/ |
| 01:56.27 | MaBunny | would tht solve my problem? |
| 01:56.49 | MaBunny | what does the 4.3 kernel do?tht the current one doesnt |
| 01:56.50 | markybob | MaBunny: i have no idea. i don't know what mouse you have or your "thingy" problem |
| 01:56.58 | markybob | MaBunny: trying to help with the minimal you give |
| 01:57.07 | MaBunny | ok thnx |
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| 01:57.21 | MaBunny | ok ill add a mouse in my buying list too :) |
| 01:57.47 | MaBunny | will a recent mouse help? actually this one is being used for nearly 10 years |
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| 01:58.02 | MaBunny | since my dad brought a computer to the house |
| 01:58.05 | markybob | MaBunny: backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 01:58.05 | markybob | MaBunny: probably |
| 01:59.17 | markybob | MaBunny: so yes, get a new mouse |
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| 01:59.29 | TomTomTosch | Guest77538, are you using the 3.16 kernel? |
| 01:59.39 | MaBunny | well,if tht solves this problem then lets be it,ill buy one |
| 01:59.55 | MaBunny | thnx for your help markybob,TomTomTosch |
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| 02:00.23 | Guest77538 | TomTomTosch, yes, I am |
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| 02:01.02 | jmcnaught | Guest77538: does "iw list" output anything useful? |
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| 02:01.29 | Guest77538 | jmcnaught, it outputs literally nothing |
| 02:02.49 | jmcnaught | Guest77538: and if you were to "modprobe -r iwlwifi" (which removes/unloads the module) and then "modprobe iwlwifi" do you get any errors (on the screen, or in the dmesg output)? |
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| 02:04.22 | Guest77538 | jmcnaught, nope, no errors |
| 02:04.55 | jmcnaught | Guest77538: anything mentioned about iwlwifi in dmesg at all after the "modprobe iwlwifi"? |
| 02:05.00 | Guest77538 | there's some output from cfg80211 that seems to happen when I reload iwlwifi, but that makes sense considering it's the one module in lsmod that uses it |
| 02:05.12 | Guest77538 | No, nothing at all |
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| 02:05.38 | Guest77538 | In fact, dmesg | grep iwlwifi gives no output |
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| 02:06.37 | jmcnaught | Guest77538: did this computer come with this wifi adapter or did you install it? Is there a hardware wifi kill switch (I don't think this would be it, but grasping) |
| 02:07.15 | TomTomTosch | there is also modprobe -v for a more verbose output. |
| 02:07.18 | Guest77538 | jmcnaught, it came with this adapter, and when I boot to windows 10 wifi works just fine |
| 02:07.28 | Guest77538 | I tried modprobe -v, it still printed nothing |
| 02:07.59 | TomTomTosch | maybe it's worth trying the backports kernel and firmware-iwlwifi ? |
| 02:08.13 | markybob | i thought i said that :P |
| 02:08.15 | HarveyPwca | If that command is providing no output then you either don't have the iwl driver installed and/or running. |
| 02:08.26 | TomTomTosch | markybob, oh, missed that. |
| 02:09.07 | markybob | TomTomTosch: maybe it didn't come through. i'm on cell phone tether afterall |
| 02:09.27 | Guest77538 | Sorry, with -v I only tried modprobe, not modprobe -r; here's the proper output: http://paste.debian.net/423124/ |
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| 02:11.25 | Guest77538 | Also there is a keyboard switch for enabling/disabling wifi, but I assumed that was just some custom windows driver |
| 02:12.14 | jmcnaught | Guest77538: the switch is worth a try i guess. I have a similar card that uses the same driver (different model though) and this is the output of "lsmod | grep iwl" for me, is yours similar? http://paste.debian.net/423125/ |
| 02:12.51 | jmcnaught | https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#Supported_Devices seems to indicate that the card is supported by the stock Jessie kernel |
| 02:13.32 | Guest77538 | jmcnaught, my lsmod looks the same but for the presence of iwldvm and mac80211 |
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| 02:15.56 | Guest77538 | Could it be helpful to install iwldvm? |
| 02:16.28 | jmcnaught | Guest77538: that's interesting, but honestly i don't know if it's just a difference between our cards. maybe if you "modprobe -r iwlwifi" again, and then "modprobe iwldvm && modprobe iwlwifi"? |
| 02:18.07 | Guest77538 | now this is interesting: http://paste.debian.net/423126/ |
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| 02:19.37 | TomTomTosch | Guest77538 'lspci -nnk | grep -A 5 Network' |
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| 02:19.48 | jmcnaught | Guest77538: it looks more like mine now. |
| 02:21.18 | Guest77538 | TomTomTosch, http://paste.debian.net/423127/ |
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| 02:23.23 | TomTomTosch | still no luck. have to go though. good luck, hope you get it fixed. |
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| 02:24.16 | Guest77538 | Thank you! |
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| 02:24.52 | jonathan_zz | is there any way to backup files over a network efficiently while storing it remotely as an archive? This very obvious scenario seems not to be catered for. |
| 02:25.08 | jonathan_zz | I don't have the local space (there) to create an archive first. |
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| 02:26.20 | jonathan_zz | what I'm implying is a form of rsync really that compares not against a live filesystem, but one stored in an archive. |
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| 02:29.55 | Guest77538 | Does anyone have any idea what the underlying problem could be for me, though? The modules are loaded, but I can't get an interface |
| 02:30.11 | jonathan_zz | actually tar could create incremental archives on an NFS share since it creates a separate file to record the contents. Then the next time it could create increments based on that file, without having to read the entire remove archiive. |
| 02:30.37 | jmcnaught | Guest77538: at this point it's probably worth trying a newer kernel from jessie-backports |
| 02:31.13 | jmcnaught | Guest77538: "/msg dpkg bdo" and "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" |
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| 02:32.41 | jonathan_zz | omg I have a vpn between two different hosts, one of which is in my network. I merely needed to add a route to it and I can reach the remote host over the VPN :O. |
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| 02:33.27 | jonathan_zz | to tinkering whatsoever, it worked immediately :O. |
| 02:33.33 | jonathan_zz | no*. |
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| 02:36.58 | jmcnaught | Guest77538: note that if you've installed any drivers using DKMS (like nvidia, fglrx) that you'll want to make sure you get the linux-headers-amd64 package from backports as well |
| 02:37.11 | Guest77538 | jmcnaught, I'm adding jessie-backports to my sources.list right now |
| 02:37.28 | Guest77538 | ..ah, no, I haven't, but I probably want that too |
| 02:37.32 | Guest77538 | thank you! |
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| 02:39.00 | jmcnaught | Guest77538: if you didn't need linux-headers-amd64 before you won't need them now, but i've seen people forget them, reboot and suddenly no graphics. |
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| 02:46.57 | Guest77538 | jmcnaught, I upgraded from jessie-backports to linux 4.4, but I'm getting a lot of warnings about possible missing firmware for module r8169 |
| 02:47.22 | Guest77538 | considering that's that does my ethernet, which is my only access to the outside world from linux, I am nervous |
| 02:47.37 | dvs | Guest77538, you also need the firmware from backports. |
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| 02:48.10 | jmcnaught | Guest77538: you'll want firmware-realtek (and firmware-iwlwifi) from backports |
| 02:48.47 | Guest77538 | I just grabbed firmware-realtek, let me check if apt-get was smart enough to get firmware-iwlwifi |
| 02:49.18 | Guest77538 | I don't think so |
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| 02:53.27 | Guest77538 | mmk, I think I got it all set up properly, so I'm going to chance a reboot! If I don't come back you'll know my ethernet broke~ |
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| 03:12.21 | markybob | i guess it broke :P |
| 03:12.43 | jmcnaught | i prefer to think they don't need our help anymore |
| 03:14.02 | dvs | ...or the computer blew up |
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| 03:14.29 | markybob | i've actually had dell's catch fire at work. literally. multiple times. |
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| 03:39.06 | maher | I've set the ip forward flag in sysctl.conf but I still don't seem to be forwarding packets - any advice? |
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| 03:40.27 | cafuego | Did you apply the change? |
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| 03:41.13 | maher | cafuego: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward gives 1 |
| 03:41.21 | maher | cafuego: do i need to set up some iptables rule? |
| 03:41.46 | cafuego | maher: Cool. Anything in the FORWARD chain when you check iptables? |
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| 03:42.38 | maher | cafuego: no |
| 03:44.32 | maher | cafuego: http://pastebin.com/qQ2dVLMx <-- iptables output |
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| 03:48.08 | maher | cafuego: ok - i added an iptables rule and now it works - but I didn't have one before and it worked... how did it ever work? |
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| 03:53.21 | charlie__ | jmcnaught, hi! I was that guest from earlier. Upgrading the kernel went poorly. o.o |
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| 03:53.34 | Nouv | Going to be installing Debian for the first time in a few hours. I have 2x gtx 780 ti, which drivers should I be using? |
| 03:54.12 | charlie__ | upon booting I fall into an initramfs ash shell after getting error messages about some missing ehci-orion module |
| 03:54.13 | jmcnaught | charlie__: :/ sorry to hear that. Can you provide details or logs of what happened? |
| 03:54.45 | cafuego | maher: Honestly? No idea :-) |
| 03:54.54 | jmcnaught | charlie__: were there errors about the initrd while apt-get was installing the kernel? |
| 03:55.03 | aedinius | Nouv: probably the non-free nvidia drivers. don't expect much, there isn't much SLI support that I'm aware of |
| 03:55.08 | jmcnaught | charlie__: or about depmod or anything like that? |
| 03:55.20 | charlie__ | idk where logs would even be saved? I managed to get back by booting to a live CD, getting the names of the initrd and vmlinuz files, rebooting, and editing the grub entries by hand |
| 03:55.35 | charlie__ | I don't recall any errors, no |
| 03:55.59 | cafuego | charlie__: If the problem is ehci, the logs probably don't get saved (it's the SATA controller driver) |
| 03:57.10 | Nouv | aedinius What, there aren't free drivers? |
| 03:57.22 | jmcnaught | charlie__: do you know if you are booting with UEFI or BIOS? Out of curiousity, you didn't happen to use unetbootin or some other GUI tool to put te installer image on USB stick, did you? |
| 03:57.25 | maher | cafuego: thanks.... |
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| 03:58.30 | charlie__ | UEFI. Nah, I just burned the debian netinst iso to a cd and booted to it |
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| 03:59.50 | jmcnaught | charlie__: okay. can you access /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages on the Debian system? |
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| 04:01.01 | charlie__ | I mean, I can get to them now, but I've booted to the 3.16 kernel, so wouldn't those logs have been wiped? |
| 04:01.11 | charlie__ | if they were even there in the first place, like cafuego said |
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| 04:01.31 | cafuego | charlie__: if they were written, info was appended, not replaced. |
| 04:03.21 | aedinius | Nouv: There are, but I don't know if they support your card that well |
| 04:03.37 | Nouv | aedinius hm alright, I'll ask around in ##linux, thanks |
| 04:04.19 | aedinius | sdfsdfsdf |
| 04:04.20 | aedinius | sdf |
| 04:04.24 | aedinius | damn it |
| 04:04.25 | aedinius | Ignore that |
| 04:04.35 | cafuego | No! |
| 04:04.39 | aedinius | Nouv: I'm looking it up now to see how well it supports it |
| 04:04.40 | cafuego | I will interpret it! |
| 04:04.49 | Nouv | aedinius Thank you! |
| 04:04.58 | aedinius | cafuego: Loosely translated it means "why the hell did my wireless drop out?" |
| 04:05.52 | charlie__ | I think I'm just going to revert to the 3.16 kernel for now; I'm not finding much useful about this ehci-orion issue |
| 04:05.54 | aedinius | Nouv: Try the free driver (nouveau). Your chip is listed, see how performance is. Keep in mind SLI doesn't really work well on Linux |
| 04:06.00 | charlie__ | unless anyone has ideas |
| 04:06.05 | aedinius | Nouv: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeNames/ |
| 04:06.19 | Nouv | aedinius I'll check it out, thanks! |
| 04:06.49 | jmcnaught | charlie__: ehci would be a USB controller. It sounds to me like the initrd did not get generated properly, which is normally handled automatically by a hook called by the package manager |
| 04:07.07 | aedinius | Nouv: TLDR just install it. See if it works. If it doesn't work well, enable non-free and install nvidia-driver. *shrug* |
| 04:07.08 | jmcnaught | charlie__: you could review/paste the contents of /var/log/apt/term.log |
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| 04:07.19 | Nouv | aedinius When you say non-free |
| 04:07.23 | aedinius | Nouv: licensing |
| 04:07.27 | Nouv | aedinius ahhh |
| 04:07.38 | aedinius | free as in speech, not as in beer |
| 04:07.38 | cafuego | not libre |
| 04:07.44 | Nouv | aedinius Right, thanks |
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| 04:08.03 | Nouv | aedinius Does that driver have better performance though? I'm not so interested in if it's free or not, just need stability |
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| 04:08.11 | aedinius | Nouv: They should both be stable. |
| 04:08.23 | Nouv | aedinius I'll try them both then, thank you! |
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| 04:08.41 | aedinius | Nouv: I would bet nouveau would be stabler. nvidia will have much better performance (depending on how old the card is) |
| 04:08.50 | Nouv | hm alright |
| 04:10.14 | charlie__ | jmcnaught, looking at term.log I think you're right, though it didn't give any errors; I just updated initramfs, so I'm going to try it again now |
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| 04:13.30 | charlie__ | so, yeah, it didn't work |
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| 04:15.42 | jmcnaught | charlie__: so you're booting the stock 3.16 kernel again? Any different output about iwlwifi or "firmware" in dmesg output? |
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| 04:16.15 | charlie__ | jmcnaught, no, not yet; I just tried something to fix the initrd that didn't work |
| 04:16.21 | charlie__ | I'm about to revert to 3.16 |
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| 04:20.08 | aedinius | Nouv: I run the non-free driver on my desktop (nvidia 680) and I have yet to have a problem. |
| 04:20.26 | Nouv | aedinius I'll go with that first then, thanks |
| 04:25.44 | jim | does anyone know where kvm would put a boot image? (I have a debian netinst I want to write to a usb) |
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| 04:29.11 | Guest8811 | jmcnaught, I think I just successfully downgraded to 3.16 |
| 04:29.16 | jim | got it... virt-manager's edit -> connection details -> images had the path |
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| 04:29.52 | Guest8811 | all I did was install the old versions of linux-image-amd64, firmware-iwlwifi, and firmware-realtek, then deleted the 4.4 initrd and vmlinuz images and ran update-grub |
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| 04:30.11 | Guest8811 | I'm asking if that's not all because now my trackpad doesn't work |
| 04:33.48 | TomTomTosch | Guest8811, you seem to have all the luck. |
| 04:34.12 | jmcnaught | Guest8811: i wouldn't manually delete stuff installed by apt. It would have been better to remove the packages, which you could/should still do if you don't want them. Take a look at the output of "aptitude versions ~i~nlinux-image", there will probably be a linux-image-amd64 metapackage (which you want at version 3.16+63) as well as a "linux-image-4.4.0-0.bpo.1-amd64" that you want to remove |
| 04:34.48 | TomTomTosch | Guest8811, 'modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse' doing something? |
| 04:35.01 | jmcnaught | Guest8811: make sure that the Installed version reported by "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" is 3.16+63, otherwise apt-get will keep installing the 4.4 one from backports |
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| 04:36.56 | Guest8811 | jmcnaught: yeah, you're right, just removed that package. apt-cache says 3.16 |
| 04:37.16 | Guest8811 | TomTomTosch: I know right? I'm about to try the psmouse thing |
| 04:37.54 | Guest8811 | yeah, didn't work |
| 04:38.26 | karlpinc | Guest8811: You will want to purge them, not just remove them, to get rid of the images in /boot/. |
| 04:38.51 | jmcnaught | Guest8811: you might also want to make sure that firmware-iwlwifi and firmware-realtek are not the backports versions anymore as well.. i don't know if they're compatible with the older kernel or not |
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| 04:40.19 | Guest8811 | karlpinc: good call, I still had some leftover stuff, thanks! |
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| 04:40.43 | Guest8811 | jmcnaught, I think they're the right versions now? aptitude versions only has an i next to the stable one |
| 04:40.50 | Guest8811 | idk if I need to purge these too though |
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| 04:41.31 | TomTomTosch | it doesn't matter, just saves some space. |
| 04:41.57 | Ouroboros | if /etc/auto.master says +auto.master, which file is that? |
| 04:42.08 | jmcnaught | Guest8811: "aptitude search ~c" will show you packages removed but not purged. if the list looks reasonable, "aptitude purge ~c" (review the list again) |
| 04:42.53 | jmcnaught | Guest8811: however you don't want the firmware packages purged, you just want the jessie non-backports versions installed :) |
| 04:43.21 | Guest8811 | awesome, thanks! |
| 04:43.33 | Guest8811 | everything seems alright on that front |
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| 04:43.57 | Guest8811 | though lspci doesn't seem to have my trackpad anymore, so that's fun |
| 04:43.59 | Ouroboros | i mean, that seems like a circular def since presumably the path is /etc |
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| 04:45.29 | jmcnaught | Guest8811: lspci used to list it? maybe it's usb and lsusb will show it? |
| 04:47.21 | Guest8811 | I think so? I'm not entirely sure, but I think so. And lsusb doesn't show it :| |
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| 04:49.52 | TomTomTosch | Guest8811, 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices | grep -iB1 synaptics' should show. |
| 04:50.42 | Guest8811 | TomTomTosch, there's no output |
| 04:51.28 | Guest8811 | also just looking through /proc/bus/input/devices I don't see my trackpad anywhere |
| 04:51.43 | TomTomTosch | Guest8811, well, that sucks. |
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| 04:52.16 | Guest8811 | Yeah. |
| 04:52.18 | TomTomTosch | Guest8811, reboot, try again? |
| 04:52.29 | Guest8811 | yeah, I guess? xD |
| 04:52.31 | Guest8811 | brb |
| 04:53.32 | TomTomTosch | we didn't fix one thing but we broke something completely different. awesome x) |
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| 04:54.59 | charlie__ | nope >_< |
| 04:55.14 | charlie__ | still no touchpad |
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| 04:55.33 | jmcnaught | charlie__: welcome back. is this a fairly new laptop? did you pour water on it before? :P |
| 04:57.16 | charlie__ | jmcnaught, I literally got it in the mail yesterday >.< |
| 04:57.49 | charlie__ | what's especially frustrating is that it was working fine until I tried to get wifi working |
| 04:58.26 | TomTomTosch | but it still works in windows? |
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| 04:58.49 | jmcnaught | charlie__: i'm surprised older kernel works better than the newer one then. are you still getting any messages about initrd? during boot? If you paste your entire dmesg output maybe some friendlies here will look for errors |
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| 05:00.12 | Ouroboros | yeah, i still dont understand how these network mounts were created: there is nothing in /etc/fstab or /etc/auto.master |
| 05:01.30 | charlie__ | TomTomTosch, I haven't tried, now I'm scared to o.O |
| 05:01.52 | charlie__ | jmcnaught, I haven't noticed any messages, but I'll pastebin my dmesg anyway |
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| 05:03.10 | charlie__ | http://paste.debian.net/423135 |
| 05:03.28 | charlie__ | I hope there's nothing sensitive in there |
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| 05:07.28 | jmcnaught | charlie__: nah it's just kernel messages. You do have a bunch of ACPI errors near the start that I don't undestand, could be worth searching as clues. And some USB errors near the end |
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| 05:08.01 | charlie__ | Yeah, I saw those, and I am just as confused |
| 05:09.39 | charlie__ | honestly I've been messing with this linux install for 12 hours or so and I'm just realizing I haven't eaten in two days, so I think I'm going to go do that and then sleep |
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| 05:11.29 | charlie__ | that said, though, this morning I didn't have a working bootloader, so I guess it's progress! |
| 05:11.42 | Ouroboros | you know that xckd about progress |
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| 05:12.25 | charlie__ | https://xkcd.com/612/ ? |
| 05:12.59 | charlie__ | oh wait no yeah this one https://xkcd.com/349/ |
| 05:13.15 | jmcnaught | charlie__: get some self-care in, you'll figure this out. If this is a fresh install you could try doing the reinstall again with a notebook and write down every error/warning/non-standard step that you take |
| 05:13.55 | charlie__ | Yeah, maybe |
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| 05:14.46 | charlie__ | oh shit wait a second |
| 05:15.41 | charlie__ | ok yeah I just realized I had homework due 15 minutes ago |
| 05:15.56 | charlie__ | welp |
| 05:16.17 | charlie__ | This linux-based suffering is surprisingly fun, considering xP |
| 05:16.38 | charlie__ | Fare thee well~ |
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| 05:20.02 | Ouroboros | argh |
| 05:20.24 | Ouroboros | cant unmount crap on win, cant mount crap on debian, what a day |
| 05:22.11 | simonlnu | fsck it? |
| 05:22.32 | Ouroboros | no, i cant mount it because no root |
| 05:22.43 | Ouroboros | but it seems some other people were able to, so i am not sure how |
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| 05:30.52 | Ouroboros | and my ssh client is so out of date, i cant connect to half the machines :) |
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| 05:37.46 | tty0_ | XScreenSaver lock window in jessie started saying "this version too old" |
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| 05:42.46 | TomTomTosch | tty0_ does not matter, it's still perfectly fine. |
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| 05:44.05 | TomTomTosch | tty0_ this warning has no meaning for debian systems. |
| 05:44.47 | tty0_ | yeah, but it is confusing ... I was on ttyN and went back to X, and saw this ... the reaction was wtf!? |
| 05:45.36 | tty0_ | Thanks TomTomTosch. Havn't looked in the code. What is the point of this? |
| 05:46.23 | TomTomTosch | tty0_ the upstream dev felt like implementing a feature that checks if the version is older than 12 months. no idea why. |
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| 05:48.50 | jmcnaught | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703 it seems that the upstream author is not particularly sympathetic to this issue |
| 05:48.51 | tty0_ | Bool senescent_p (void) in https://github.com/Zygo/xscreensaver/blob/d1ae2829ff0fd2a96c16a0c8c5420efaa47d7b30/driver/prefs.c |
| 05:50.04 | tty0_ | ... it has a long comment |
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| 05:52.05 | TomTomTosch | jmcnaught, what a nice guy... |
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| 05:55.16 | jmcnaught | i already didn't use xscreensaver, but this would be enough to get me to stop. i've read his blog before though, i like him when he's ripping on walled gardens. oh well. |
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| 05:58.35 | slax0r | hi, my left alt key has started behaving differently, i.e. in irssi when I press left alt+3, instead of switching to the 3rd window I get a superscripted 3, ³, also in terminal, before if I pressed left alt+3 I would get a (args: 3) prompt, now it also just prints superscripted 3, where can I check what has been changed? |
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| 05:59.40 | bkpark | slax0r: that sounds like 8-bit thing issue. what kind of terminal emulator are you using? |
| 05:59.46 | slax0r | bkpark: xterm |
| 06:00.03 | bkpark | if you ctrl+right click (might be middle click) in your terminal ... |
| 06:00.10 | bkpark | you should see some menu options. |
| 06:00.26 | bkpark | try selecting/unselecting some of them, like 8-bit character or something like that. |
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| 06:01.20 | slax0r | there is only 8-bit controls, unticked |
| 06:01.22 | slax0r | ticking it makes no difference |
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| 06:01.58 | bkpark | hm. i'm on Windows right now ... let me see if there's a way i can run xterm without having to reboot. |
| 06:02.13 | slax0r | https://github.com/slax0rr/MyConfig/blob/master/.Xresources |
| 06:02.20 | slax0r | that's my xterm config |
| 06:02.26 | slax0r | if it helps anything |
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| 06:03.50 | bkpark | this might be relevant: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/efaq/Meta-key-does-not-work-in-xterm.html |
| 06:04.00 | slax0r | be back in a sec, osrry |
| 06:04.01 | slax0r | sorry* |
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| 06:06.58 | bkpark | seeing same advices in most places, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/caos-44/alt-b-alt-f-key-combinations-in-xterm-don't-work-308690/ |
| 06:07.23 | bkpark | and i thought unticking the 8-bit thing was the same thing as the edits they are suggesting (just for current session). |
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| 06:09.49 | slax0r | alright, back bkpark let me check those links |
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| 06:10.37 | bkpark | they are all recommending you to add this line: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/efaq/Meta-key-does-not-work-in-xterm.html |
| 06:10.40 | bkpark | oops. |
| 06:10.50 | bkpark | recommending you to add this line: XTerm*eightBitInput: false |
| 06:10.52 | diogenes_ | Anyone here manage to get the Android Binder driver running on their Debian system? |
| 06:12.05 | slax0r | bkpark: eightBitInput false did the trick, thanks! |
| 06:12.12 | tty0_ | how can i update (override) package, and get the version from backports? aptitude -t jessie-backports install xscreensaver does not work (i guess because the pkg is already installeD) |
| 06:12.24 | bkpark | ah, o.k. glad it worked (still not sure why unticking the option didn't work). |
| 06:12.41 | slax0r | bkpark: do you maybe also know why Pragmata Pro font has such a large character spacing? |
| 06:12.56 | bkpark | o.O never heard that font before. |
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| 06:13.28 | bkpark | oh. it's a monospaced font ... |
| 06:13.37 | jmcnaught | tty0_: does "apt-cache policy xscreensaver" say there's a version in backports? |
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| 06:14.11 | bkpark | http://www.fsd.it/wp-content/uploads/PragmataPro_all.png |
| 06:14.14 | slax0r | bkpark: yeah, but it doesn't render right |
| 06:14.23 | tty0_ | jmcnaught: It does not :) thanks! |
| 06:14.25 | bkpark | idk, this doesn't look all that wide-spaced to me ... |
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| 06:15.07 | tty0_ | ... I thought all from testing goes to backports |
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| 06:15.24 | jmcnaught | tty0_: unless the Debian maintainer decides to remove this message, you'll either need to learn to ignore it, or use something other than xscreensaver. |
| 06:15.37 | slax0r | bkpark: normally it isn't no, but on my system I get like 2-3 pixels space on each side of a wide letter, like w or m i.e. |
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| 06:16.06 | jmcnaught | tty0_: nah, only some stuff gets into backports, and it's best usually to only take a few packages from there, they're not covered by the security team the same way stable is |
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| 06:18.30 | bkpark | hm. i guess i don't really have an idea, although this image seems to show fir amount of spacing around all letters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PragmataPro_sample.png |
| 06:18.41 | bkpark | s/fir/fair |
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| 06:19.11 | slax0r | bkpark: no problem, I can just stick to hack :) |
| 06:19.12 | ghormoon | karlpinc: I've been googling that long and didn't find a way to do that except changing the partition scheme :( |
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| 08:28.27 | jim | can I set my default arch to amd64 when it was i386? |
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| 08:37.33 | jelly | jim: short answer no |
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| 08:38.18 | rudi_s | jim: Not easily. Debian is "only" multilib (so libraries for multiple architectures) but not really multiarch (binary in multiple architectures). So you'd have to install all binaries for amd64 on the live system without breaking it which is a difficult task. |
| 08:38.24 | rudi_s | Easiest option is to reinstall the system. |
| 08:39.23 | jim | yeah, tried that in the first place... from an 8.3 amd64 netinstall |
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| 08:42.55 | MyWay | is there any reason it's not multiarch? |
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| 08:43.47 | jim | they're a good ways towards that |
| 08:44.00 | jelly | MyWay: it's a much harder goal to achieve |
| 08:44.06 | MyWay | ah |
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| 08:49.00 | ghormoon | hi, I've jsut stumbled upon a segfault in mysql-workbench, but the stacktrace both starts and ends in libc. is that more likely a mysql workbench bug or library bug? i.e., where to search for it and possibly report it? :) trace: http://pastebin.com/fFUFZfZq |
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| 08:50.04 | Iridos | aiiiiie... pastebin.com detects adblock and punishes you with comic sans? |
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| 08:51.44 | Iridos | ghormoon, well... maybe becomes clearer with the monster of libc6-dbg? |
| 08:51.54 | ghormoon | I've not even noticed until you told me :D |
| 08:52.02 | Iridos | /o\ |
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| 08:52.24 | ghormoon | I've quite got used to that everyone uses comic sans where inapropriate, so I didn't care :D |
| 08:52.30 | jelly | Iridos: no, their love for fontage spreads to adblockless users as well |
| 08:52.39 | Iridos | /o\ |
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| 08:53.01 | mx204 | Heh, I'm watching "The Social Network" and to be honest, it's somewhat believable. |
| 08:53.29 | Iridos | maybe I should make/print a T-shirt saying "I printed my thesis in Comic Sans" |
| 08:53.55 | ghormoon | I've never finished my thesis, maybe if I'll retry I can try that :D |
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| 08:55.24 | ghormoon | I've installed libc6-dbg and made that crash again, but the output looks the same |
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| 08:56.27 | Iridos | did you add the top libc6 line as an april's fool? |
| 08:56.53 | ghormoon | no? |
| 08:57.08 | ghormoon | but I've googled some mysql workbench crashes and some of them had it too |
| 08:58.39 | ghormoon | like this one: https://bugs.mysql.com/file.php?id=21021&bug_id=71558 |
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| 08:59.02 | ghormoon | but others I've found didn't have it, there was some mysql workbench line first |
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| 09:00.48 | dagerik | https://wiki.debian.org/Steam instructions for 64-bit systems say "Instructions are for Jessie and Sid systems only. Do not do this on Wheezy or you will break your system.". im on testing. will it break my system? |
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| 09:01.23 | ghormoon | it crashes on tunnig a query. I'e tried setting limit 0 and it doesn't crash then, maybe itdoesn't like some of the data it receives? |
| 09:01.43 | bkpark | wheezy .. that sounds super old. |
| 09:02.18 | ghormoon | with limit 1 it runs, with limit 30 it crashes immediately (even though the query takes 30-45seconds to return data) |
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| 09:03.12 | bkpark | so, i guess jessie is the current stable. |
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| 09:03.22 | bkpark | it says: There are packages available for Debian 8 "Jessie", Stretch and Sid. |
| 09:03.56 | bkpark | i'm guessing Stretch is current Debian testing, so, dagerik, i would guess it should work fine? |
| 09:04.26 | bkpark | given how recently jessie was released, testing shouldn't be too different from jessie, if you want to use jessie, rather than testing. |
| 09:04.48 | ghormoon | I remember that I've once tried to pull in steam back on wheezy and broke everything because I needed to bring in newer glibc. BAD idea |
| 09:05.05 | dagerik | im on testing which is stretch |
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| 09:06.58 | ghormoon | that should have new enough glibc, but I didn't try |
| 09:07.12 | bkpark | so if you have non-free repository in your list already, you ought to be able to follow steps starting from #2, "Enable Multi-Arch..." |
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| 09:08.06 | bkpark | if not, you should have this line in your sources.list, except change "httpredir" to an actual repo link? and change "jessie" into "stretch": deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
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| 09:09.17 | ghormoon | hm, interesting, once it didn't crash but say "malformed packet", reruning the query killed it anyway |
| 09:09.56 | ghormoon | but it's not in data, I've done create table pokus as query (in mysql commandline) and then select * from pokus in workbench and that works |
| 09:10.35 | bkpark | wishes there would be a Debian relaese that would be supported *forever*. |
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| 09:10.40 | Iridos | you could run it through valgrind... but I don't expect much to come out in addition to the backtrace |
| 09:10.51 | Iridos | likely, though, that it won't segfault in valgrind |
| 09:10.56 | bkpark | recently had to upgrade from ... hm. i think i upgraded *to* wheezy. i forget what i was upgrading from. |
| 09:11.28 | Iridos | well, it won't, because valgrind emulates all commands, I think... and a free of memory that isn't yours isn't fatal if it's only emulated (IIRC) |
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| 09:12.03 | Iridos | bkpark, from squeeze |
| 09:12.39 | bkpark | ah. yes. that sounds right. :) |
| 09:13.37 | bkpark | i still haven't rebooted the system, so i don't know if the new fancy kernel images will work right. :| |
| 09:14.59 | ghormoon | I still don't get how may backtrace both start and end in libc |
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| 09:25.51 | bito | UPTIME: STOP KLINE??? mactimes_ bazhang Neobenedict busch rstone stakewinner00 SunGod- Rymax99 systemd0wn rozie guampa yaume Kobra p0g0 Defaultti Samouy tobiasBora crazydiamond marko shifty themill James_T jpleau beelion clopez vigilvindex_ mt kini nickle fnkr sparetire_ Knaldgas topi` sewerinspector vinzv darkman glebihan jhuebner BackEndCoder oberstein FluidDruid koollman BeamWatcher noPW_TQM thebrush anbz roge Nothing4You xKoren prussian |
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| 09:26.06 | Pr0metheus | ? |
| 09:26.17 | Doo | ? |
| 09:26.18 | DalekSec | Just some spam, ignore it. |
| 09:26.22 | uptime | Sorry about that ^ |
| 09:26.32 | Pr0metheus | np |
| 09:26.34 | Doo | :( |
| 09:26.35 | Neobenedict | (Spam is off topic on freenode.) <- worlds most passive agressive /kill message |
| 09:26.43 | pfote | :-) |
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| 09:30.49 | f4cl3y | just noticed! |
| 09:30.52 | f4cl3y | sorry guys! |
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| 09:34.30 | Pr0metheus | i mounted a ntfs partition in fstab and used uid=1000, now i do properties and user=me, group=root, should i change the group too? |
| 09:34.31 | balance | hi |
| 09:34.43 | balance | how can I disable acl temporarily? |
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| 09:36.51 | Walex | balance: perhaps with 'mount -o remount,...' |
| 09:37.17 | Walex | Pr0metheus: that is up to you really. Depends what you want to achieve. |
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| 09:38.14 | balance | Walex, oh, okay, that's unexpected. |
| 09:38.33 | Walex | Pr0metheus: I usually set the group to myself too. Also considere the 'inherit' option to NTFS mapping. |
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| 09:39.25 | Pr0metheus | walex: i want to have full access to the disk, use it as a user |
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| 09:44.08 | akar | anyone here? is it possible to run lxc on qemu/kvm virtual machine? |
| 09:44.16 | akar | hust try it out thou |
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| 09:45.48 | akar | s/hust/just/ |
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| 09:53.10 | rafalcpp | anyway debian home is on OFTC... (re spam) |
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| 10:04.12 | babilen | But .. we did? |
| 10:04.13 | karimb | wtf? |
| 10:04.22 | Ad1_RnR | procyon: don't spam |
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| 10:04.44 | XeonSquared | that guy again?' |
| 10:04.48 | salih-emin | lel |
| 10:04.49 | uptime | Indeed. |
| 10:05.02 | XeonSquared | sighs |
| 10:05.04 | babilen | uptime: ta |
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| 10:05.44 | Dewi | before spam, always check whether your message is completely incomprehensible |
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| 10:15.00 | aricz | Hi, trying to install debian from SD-card.. this is what we get after hardware-detection: "[!!] Scan hard drives for an installer ISO image" |
| 10:15.24 | aricz | we have a .iso image on the SD-card.. the installers doesn't find it |
| 10:15.25 | aricz | -s |
| 10:15.39 | aricz | anyone have a clue how to fix this? |
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| 10:16.44 | teraflops | aricz: tried.in expert mode and loading all the shit (modules) when prompted? |
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| 10:17.01 | aricz | do you know how to set expertmode from boot? |
| 10:17.06 | teraflops | Yes |
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| 10:17.34 | aricz | ok, what is it? because we have to do this "install vga=off console=ttyS0,115200" .. we're trying to install debian on an old ebox-3100 |
| 10:17.41 | aricz | "install expert" ? :) |
| 10:18.02 | teraflops | Expert mode |
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| 10:18.17 | aricz | thanks, we'll try now |
| 10:18.24 | teraflops | An entry in grub prompt |
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| 10:20.20 | aricz | we get the same error |
| 10:20.32 | Pr0metheus | my system temporarily freezes for 5 seconds, it either has to do with the network or the hard disks. I see that it loads firmware r8169 instead of r8111 for my network card, how can i change this? |
| 10:20.37 | aricz | "boot: install vga=off console=ttyS0,115200" .. |
| 10:20.38 | teraflops | aricz: I can't remember exactly but the step is something like load additional modules and a huge list appears |
| 10:20.39 | aricz | err |
| 10:20.46 | aricz | "boot: install expert mode vga=off console=ttyS0,115200" .. |
| 10:20.50 | aricz | hmm ok |
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| 10:21.24 | teraflops | Well in case you are able.to boot the installer :p |
| 10:21.29 | aricz | hehe yeah |
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| 10:21.59 | aricz | but I find it strange it's asking for an .iso |
| 10:22.09 | aricz | might be it looks for a specific .iso too.. |
| 10:22.17 | aricz | since it doesn't fetch the .iso we put there.. hmhm |
| 10:22.35 | teraflops | aricz: hiw did you prepare the installation media? |
| 10:22.59 | teraflops | How |
| 10:23.00 | aricz | downloaded a imagefile somewhere (can find link if needed) and then good old 'dd' to copy it over to the sd-card |
| 10:23.06 | aricz | a/an |
| 10:23.26 | teraflops | aricz: but does the installer prompt? |
| 10:23.28 | aricz | it boots, gets us into textmode installer.. choose language, keyboard.. hardware detection starts |
| 10:23.30 | petemc | cp more reliable than dd |
| 10:23.37 | teraflops | aricz: ah. Ok |
| 10:23.47 | aricz | then it starts asking for an .iso image |
| 10:23.52 | teraflops | petemc: cat more reliable than cp |
| 10:24.02 | petemc | you think? |
| 10:24.06 | teraflops | Yeah |
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| 10:24.11 | petemc | how so? |
| 10:24.15 | aricz | "No installer images were found." |
| 10:24.22 | teraflops | Faster |
| 10:24.45 | petemc | .. |
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| 10:26.07 | teraflops | aricz: im not used to the installer since I prefer deboostrap but maybe the indtaller is missing your sdcard controller |
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| 10:26.18 | teraflops | Im just guessing |
| 10:26.20 | aricz | yeah |
| 10:26.26 | aricz | we've been guessing for about 1 week now |
| 10:26.29 | aricz | bachelor project.. haha |
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| 10:26.34 | aricz | installing a linux distro ffs.. |
| 10:26.35 | teraflops | aricz: there are firmware non free images too |
| 10:26.37 | aricz | and we're stuck |
| 10:26.48 | aricz | but the ebox-3100 is a strange x86-unit.. |
| 10:27.10 | teraflops | aricz: i.dont know whats that thing though |
| 10:27.15 | balance | I have a 2 files in a dir: one called foo the other foo.bat - is it possible that the foo one is for linux plattforms and the foo.bat is for windows? |
| 10:28.37 | petemc | balance: did you look inside the files? |
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| 10:28.54 | aricz | http://www.compactpc.com.tw/product.aspx?act=detail&id=129 .. ebox-3100 .. |
| 10:29.09 | teraflops | Unless a typo bat files are a windows thing |
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| 10:29.27 | teraflops | Foo.bar/foo.bat ð |
| 10:29.40 | balance | petemc, yes, foo is just a php script and foo.bat is something I don't really recognize - so I guessed is some batch stuff. :P but Im a bit confused atm |
| 10:29.43 | balance | teraflops, ok ty |
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| 10:31.41 | jmcnaught | aricz: if you want to try expert mode it's under advanced in the boot menu, or add "priority=low" to the kernel command line |
| 10:33.22 | jmcnaught | aricz: is it failing at the "detect and mount cd-rom" step? |
| 10:34.50 | aricz | jmcnaught, that's an error we've had for the last 5 days |
| 10:34.56 | aricz | today we managed to get the .iso-error instead |
| 10:35.05 | aricz | but, nice, someone knows about the cd-rom error |
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| 10:35.22 | is_null | hi all, is there any way to tell dpkg-buildpackage to add epoch to the version ? |
| 10:35.25 | aricz | hmm.. priority low.. will try, thank you |
| 10:37.00 | aricz | jmcnaught, what can be done with the "detect and mount cd-rom" step? |
| 10:37.10 | jmcnaught | aricz: i don't know if priority low will help with this specific problem. There is some documentation about this step here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#iso-scan |
| 10:37.13 | aricz | because that's what we try when we boot from USB-stick and try to install debian to the SD-card on the ebox-3100 |
| 10:37.32 | aricz | priority low got us directly into the configmenu |
| 10:37.49 | aricz | try/get |
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| 10:38.23 | jmcnaught | aricz: so it looks like it will actually look for .iso files on mounted filesystems |
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| 10:39.24 | aricz | yeah, and we have debian-netinst-something.iso there |
| 10:39.55 | aricz | but it doesn't find it.. or maybe it doesn't see it as valid |
| 10:39.55 | jmcnaught | aricz: and if you switch to tty2 you can find that file? |
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| 10:40.18 | aricz | the file is on the SD-card.. and on USB-stick |
| 10:40.21 | aricz | we scan both |
| 10:40.28 | oqui | hi guys I've created a script that runs as a service from ubuntu's /etc/init.d/skeleton script. However, when i start it /etc/init.d/myscript start, it hangs. It does not output anything and it doesn't return the command prompt like the other init.d scripts do. What am i mixing |
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| 10:40.45 | aricz | not sure what you mean by switching to tty2 though.. but we copied the file over to both mediums |
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| 10:42.15 | jmcnaught | aricz: oh.. i guess if you're on a serial console you can't switch to a virtual terminal. does the .iso file exist as a file on a ext2/3/4 or fat filesystem, or have you used "dd" to copy it directly to the USB stick and SD card. From what I'm reading in the install manual, it will look for .iso files on filesystems |
| 10:42.57 | aricz | that's what we're going to chec now :) ext2/3/4 .. |
| 10:43.11 | aricz | check.. |
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| 10:44.07 | jmcnaught | aricz: refer to that link, it talks about how/where it looks for the iso file. If you haven't read the rest of the install manual, now would be a good time. It'll take less than 5 days :) |
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| 10:45.04 | aricz | yeah, I will read through it, thank you for your time and help! :) |
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| 10:53.25 | ghormoon | I've gave up on kernel or kpartx and made that manually with losetup and offsets, but nest time, is there and easier way? :D |
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| 11:01.38 | dagerik | why does cat /tmp/a | while read h;do ssh $h "id";done stop after first ssh? |
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| 11:08.07 | sussudio | ... |
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| 11:11.52 | babilen | dagerik: First: You want #bash, Second: Make that "while read h;do ssh $h "id";done < /tmp/a" |
| 11:12.32 | Iridos | but that doesn't answer the question |
| 11:12.52 | babilen | It doesn't, no |
| 11:12.59 | babilen | But it helps |
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| 11:16.05 | Iridos | funnily this works: for h in $(cat a); do ssh $h hostname; done ; and so does the while loop if it just contains an echo |
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| 11:21.09 | ksk | Iridos: how about dsh? :) |
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| 11:31.47 | Iridos | ksk, that's not the point... this is something that should have worked |
| 11:31.59 | Iridos | dagerik, can you ask that in #bash? if you don't, I will |
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| 11:34.23 | ksk | whats the original question? why such a loop does not work sometimes? it has to do with subshells and ssh itself |
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| 11:36.42 | hrob | hi |
| 11:36.53 | hrob | I have a broken disk am now using testdisk - photorec to raw extract some files from it |
| 11:37.05 | hrob | its taking rather long -- may take 500 days |
| 11:37.54 | ksk | hrob: sounds like your disk is broken. not much you can do (besides from investing $$$ for professional recovery, which might or might not work) |
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| 11:38.12 | hrob | every few minutes there is a high pitch sound, maybe spinup, and dmesg reports "usb 6-5: reset high-speed USB device number 3 using ehci-pci" |
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| 11:38.39 | Iridos | ksk, this will be enjoyable to ask in #bash, specially because of http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DontReadLinesWithFor |
| 11:38.41 | hrob | ksk: yes I think if this continues for another few hours, I'll send it for pro recov |
| 11:39.13 | hrob | ksk: but I noticed some tricks that pro recovery tools use -- they can map the disk, roughly identifying which sectors / heads on the disk are having issues |
| 11:39.28 | hrob | ksk: they call this bitmapping I think |
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| 11:39.56 | hrob | that method can afterwards avoid bad sectors / heads on the disk and first recover those that are working fine |
| 11:40.22 | hrob | I was only wondering if there are better tools on linux / debian for raw recovery |
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| 11:41.21 | hrob | ksk: I get the feeling that TestDisk PhotoRec is working a little too hard to recover files in an area that is clearly too slow |
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| 11:43.41 | jmcnaught | hrob: i'm not any sort of an expert in data recovery, but you should consider using gddrescue to make an image of the drive and use tools like testdisk and photorec on the image |
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| 11:44.25 | hrob | jmcnaught: right! |
| 11:44.43 | hrob | jmcnaught: I did find mention of that - |
| 11:45.14 | hrob | jmcnaught: would image copying be more sparing on reads - I hope, not taking 500 days :) |
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| 11:46.23 | jmcnaught | hrob: that's part of it, and also it means you get more retries, because you can then make a copy of the image to work on. if you end up doing more harm than good, you can make another copy of the image. |
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| 11:47.08 | hrob | jmcnaught: great, would I be right, that I can chose only to recover a sector range of the disk? |
| 11:47.28 | hrob | I suspect that some sector ranges are working too slow - maybe on a damaged head |
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| 11:48.22 | jmcnaught | hrob: like i said i'm not a data recovery expert, you'll have to check the gddrescue documentation. and think about your backups strategy ;) |
| 11:48.37 | hrob | cheers ! |
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| 11:49.06 | jmcnaught | hrob: good luck, i hope you get it all back |
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| 11:49.42 | hrob | my mother in law - lol -- those portable drives are way too big now -- they are 2 TB man! |
| 11:50.01 | hrob | why doesn't WD invent a raided portable drive? |
| 11:50.12 | hrob | this is just too much |
| 11:51.32 | jelly | hrob: you can always get two of their 2.5" 3TB devices |
| 11:52.40 | hrob | jelly: yes... glue them to gether with ducktape and give back to my mother in law :) |
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| 12:08.57 | obo | hello |
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| 12:09.41 | obo | I would like to know if changing umask to 002 in /etc/login.defs is ok |
| 12:10.00 | obo | I would like to use set gid bit to share a directory with multiple users |
| 12:10.02 | obo | thanks |
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| 12:17.13 | dontknow | xscreensaver showed me a warning "please upgrade xscreensaver. this version is very old. WTF. debian jessie. anyone experienced something like this? |
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| 12:17.47 | dontknow | does it connect to internet? |
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| 12:20.41 | jelly | ,v xscreensaver |
| 12:20.42 | judd | Package: xscreensaver on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.11-1+b1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.11-1+deb6u11; wheezy: 5.15-3; wheezy-security: 5.15-3+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.15-3+deb7u1; jessie-security: 5.30-1+deb8u1; jessie: 5.30-1+deb8u1; stretch: 5.34-1; sid: 5.34-1 |
| 12:21.16 | jelly | dontknow: builtin easter (well, april1st) egg? |
| 12:22.13 | jelly | judd: bug 819703 |
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| 12:22.14 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/819703 in xscreensaver (open, patch, upstream): «xscreensaver: please disable "This version of XScreenSaver is very old! Please upgrade!" message»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-04-01; last modified: 2016-04-01. |
| 12:22.23 | dontknow | jelly, seriously? i have no idea. it showed the warning at the boot. xscreensaver popup appeared |
| 12:23.29 | dontknow | reading |
| 12:26.20 | jelly | some lovely messages both from upstream and debian, there |
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| 12:27.18 | jelly | I guess least annoying approach may be to switch xscreensaver to be managed like clamav or other volatile packages, if API/ABI allows |
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| 12:28.32 | dontknow | jelly, how does it know the package is old? does it connect to internet and call home? |
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| 12:33.03 | Iridos | heh |
| 12:33.06 | Iridos | dagerik, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/089 |
| 12:34.19 | jelly | dontknow: I guess you can read the source and find it out |
| 12:34.33 | jelly | I suspect timestamp check. |
| 12:34.33 | dontknow | but i can't |
| 12:34.37 | jelly | can't? |
| 12:34.49 | dontknow | i don't know programming |
| 12:34.51 | jelly | so what? |
| 12:35.19 | dontknow | so how can i read and understand source code |
| 12:35.59 | jelly | teach yourself. |
| 12:36.05 | dontknow | lol |
| 12:36.16 | dontknow | great suggestion really |
| 12:36.20 | jelly | it's not rocket science |
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| 12:37.09 | dontknow | let me learn in 1 minute if it connects the internet or not |
| 12:37.25 | wodim | hello, why does php-cli depend on php7.0-cli when php5-cli is also reasonable? |
| 12:38.10 | themill | wodim: because the job of that package is to depend on the most recent version |
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| 12:38.34 | jelly | dontknow: ok, I'll be blunt: you can check the source, or you can ask someone else to do it for you. That's not going to be me tho, I feel it's out of scope of tech support channel |
| 12:39.04 | dontknow | jelly, what is the alternative for xscreensaver on xfce |
| 12:39.22 | dontknow | it is better to get rid of it |
| 12:39.34 | awal1 | xscreensaver1 |
| 12:39.43 | dontknow | lol |
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| 12:39.58 | awal1 | its in backports only |
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| 12:40.46 | dontknow | awal1, wtf is xscreensaver1? |
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| 12:41.07 | dontknow | seriously? |
| 12:41.22 | denartha | at a guess id say its a kind of screen saver |
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| 12:41.58 | f0f4r | scp cars.sql_2016-04-01-14:42:39.gzip bckhotsej@172.16.0.10:/backups/db/ |
| 12:42.09 | awal1 | dontknow, apt-cache, aptitude search; rmadison... |
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| 12:42.18 | f0f4r | ssh: Could not resolve hostname cars.sql_2016-04-01-14: Name or service not known |
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| 12:42.44 | f0f4r | this only happen on 7.9 |
| 12:42.50 | themill | f0f4r: do you really have a : in the filename? |
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| 12:43.36 | f0f4r | themill: yes |
| 12:44.01 | themill | f0f4r: as per the man page for scp, explicitly make it a filename (./cars.sql_etc). Or use sftp instead |
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| 12:44.17 | Lionyx | Hello! With elinks and links2, I have trouble to access SSL certificated sites. Is there any easy way to set this up? Some +ssl precompiled package maybe? tks Using Jessie 8.3 here. |
| 12:44.27 | f0f4r | themill: thanks, I will try using ./ |
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| 12:46.03 | f0f4r | themill: thanks, it works using ./ in front of filename |
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| 12:46.50 | themill | f0f4r: yeah, it stops scp from thinking it might be in the form machine:pathname since the machine name can't start with ./ |
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| 12:54.28 | balance | how can I disable acl for a directory? Do I really have to mount it with the noacl flag? Can't I set it somehow differently? |
| 12:55.41 | msn | One of the servers I connect to is using an SSL certificate with no intermediate certificate (though its needed) I have tried adding the intermediate certicate using update-ca-certificates and dpkg-reconfigure ca-certifcates after copying it into /usr/share/ca-certifactes/export. The certificate is detected but is not used by the system at all and smtp connections fail with Unknown Certiifcate |
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| 12:59.54 | dontknow | what screen locker can i use alternative to xscreensaver. it doesn't have to have screensaver |
| 13:00.12 | dontknow | on xfce |
| 13:00.29 | AngeFede | xflock4 |
| 13:00.56 | msn | you could go to commandline and use vlock -a |
| 13:01.16 | rozie | dontknow: what's the problem with xscreensaver? |
| 13:01.50 | dontknow | rozie, it shows warning says "this version is old please upgrade" |
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| 13:02.41 | dontknow | AngeFede, thnaks |
| 13:03.09 | Strogg | w |
| 13:03.12 | rozie | doesn't sound like a good reason to switch to another program ;) |
| 13:03.21 | Strogg | erf. *switches windows one to the right |
| 13:03.54 | dagerik | running a full rkhunter check with puppet seems awkward. because each system change by puppet would trigger a warning |
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| 13:05.21 | dontknow | rozie, what if it calls home to check version number and spy on user |
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| 13:06.25 | rozie | it's open source, you don't have to guess, you can check :-) |
| 13:06.58 | dontknow | ugh right! |
| 13:07.04 | balance | I'm trying to get a directory wher acl isn supported, I did mount --bind -o noacl test test2 but I can still set acl in test and then in test2 it's also set. is the mount wrong? |
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| 13:12.42 | dontknow | is it advisable installing lightdm and lightlocker on xfce? |
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| 13:16.54 | rozie | lightdm is OK IMO and WM independent |
| 13:17.02 | rozie | like every login manager |
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| 13:17.16 | rozie | I use lightdm with LXDE |
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| 13:18.09 | dontknow | rozie, light locker? |
| 13:18.13 | AngeFede | so I do with lxde or fluxbox |
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| 13:19.54 | fred1807 | how do I know the adress (/dev/sda) of a pen drive I just connected? |
| 13:20.23 | towo^work | dnesg |
| 13:20.26 | towo^work | dmesg |
| 13:20.30 | winem_ | dmesg |
| 13:20.36 | winem_ | ok, was too slow |
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| 13:20.45 | fred1807 | is there a more clean output than dmesg ? |
| 13:20.55 | towo^work | fdisk -l? |
| 13:21.01 | fred1807 | not mounted |
| 13:21.06 | towo^work | what's wrong with dmesg? |
| 13:21.13 | towo^work | fdisk -l nedds no mount |
| 13:21.17 | towo^work | *needs |
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| 13:22.26 | towo^work | dmesg | grep sd could be more usefull then plain dmesg |
| 13:23.58 | fred1807 | thank you |
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| 13:26.38 | moonwolf1 | does lightspark plugin work with chromium browser? |
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| 13:30.26 | towo^work | moonwolf1, no, since chromium has no npapi |
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| 13:32.01 | moonwolf1 | so it have do be pepper flash then? |
| 13:33.01 | towo^work | if you want flash in chromium, yes |
| 13:33.10 | moonwolf1 | ok thanks |
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| 13:35.51 | mx204 | What about flash in Debian/KDE Firefox? I search for "flash" in plugins and I get nothing. |
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| 13:38.18 | STRADEDEDEDEDE | Ciao a Tutti!!! |
| 13:38.36 | tripout | sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree don't work? |
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| 13:39.40 | tripout | mx204, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree don't work? |
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| 13:40.21 | mx204 | I get "Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate" |
| 13:40.31 | Iridos | he forgot the !list ... what's the world coming to. |
| 13:40.34 | tripout | after installation u habe to restart your browser |
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| 13:41.46 | awal1 | ,v flasplugin-nonfree |
| 13:41.46 | tripout | Iridos, don't understand. help me to make this world a better place. ^^ |
| 13:41.46 | judd | No package named 'flasplugin-nonfree' was found in amd64. |
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| 13:42.44 | mx204 | I'm on a amd64 also but no package seems to be out there. |
| 13:42.47 | r6ku | ,v flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:42.48 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1; sid/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1; stretch/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1 |
| 13:43.15 | awal1 | mx204, that non free olugin is in contrib section, not in main |
| 13:43.41 | awal1 | add contrib in your sources file |
| 13:44.30 | jelly | mx204: there is no supported flash for linux any more, except the 64bit pepper plugin that comes with google chrome |
| 13:45.08 | mx204 | Okay, I'll do that. Thank you for the info. |
| 13:45.09 | jelly | so basically the flashplugin-nonfree script is useless now, unless you really want to download some known-to-be-outdated piece of software |
| 13:45.26 | jelly | ,v pepperflash-nonfree |
| 13:45.27 | judd | No package named 'pepperflash-nonfree' was found in amd64. |
| 13:45.38 | awal1 | it gets "security" updates until april 2017 |
| 13:45.44 | jelly | sorry, it's pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
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| 13:45.55 | jelly | awal1: wasn't it 2016? |
| 13:46.04 | awal1 | 17 |
| 13:46.30 | mx204 | So pepperflash is basically the same thing as true flash?' |
| 13:46.42 | awal1 | thats for chromium |
| 13:46.54 | fmerges | does someone manages to save an annotated PDF with Okular, debian jessie here? |
| 13:46.56 | jelly | it is "true" flash, but built with an API specific for chrome and chromium |
| 13:47.00 | mx204 | So it doesn't work with Firefox? |
| 13:47.29 | jelly | mx204: there's a yet-another-wrapper to make it work with a 64bit firefox. |
| 13:47.32 | awal1 | ,v browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash |
| 13:47.34 | judd | Package: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.3.4-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.3.4-3; stretch/contrib: 0.3.4-3 |
| 13:47.37 | jelly | ^^ |
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| 13:48.14 | awal1 | mx204, add backports repository and install pepper for chromium and freshplayer for iceweasel |
| 13:48.21 | awal1 | works fine |
| 13:49.09 | mx204 | Boy, that seems like a real problem. I may find a work around but it's something that might turn off a lot of people to Debian if they can't use Firefox with Flash. |
| 13:49.16 | awal1 | when you update the pepper package, freshplayer is updated too |
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| 13:49.45 | moonwolf1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.47 | awal1 | thats firefox concern, not debian project, sir |
| 13:50.33 | awal1 | mozilla, i mean ^ |
| 13:50.37 | tortib | I'm trying to use xrandr for my two monitors I run xrandr --output DVI-I-2 --left-of DVI-I-1 ; but it keeps putting the monitor i want as a primary to the left of the secondary monitor, so I have to move my mouse to the right to get to the 2nd display. |
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| 13:51.12 | tortib | I want my primary monitor to be to the right of my secondary monitor |
| 13:51.24 | themill | fmerges: depends on what you mean by "save" |
| 13:51.25 | mx204 | awal1, I certainly understand that but in the long run it really is a Debian problem when people get frustrated because Firefox won't really run correctly in the OS. |
| 13:51.25 | tortib | no matter which command i try with xrandr i can't get it to play nice |
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| 13:51.52 | fmerges | themill: i want to save as PDF so i can share the documents with the annotations |
| 13:52.04 | themill | fmerges: okular can't do that |
| 13:52.24 | themill | annotations are only for the local user |
| 13:52.50 | awal1 | mx204, it runs perfectly |
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| 13:53.05 | mx204 | Not without Flash. |
| 13:53.07 | feyruz | hello, is there a debian release with third party drivers? |
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| 13:53.28 | tripout | mx204, you have to sudo nano /etc/apt/souces.list and add "deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib" or another mirror in your area and then "sudp apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 13:53.31 | moonwolf1 | feyruz: no |
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| 13:53.37 | fmerges | themill: suppose to be able to do that with poppler |
| 13:53.39 | awal1 | mx204, visit debian wiki web site and learn about about all that |
| 13:53.48 | feyruz | moonwolf1: my wifi card is not recognised during installation |
| 13:53.49 | themill | fmerges: that doesn't mean that okular can |
| 13:54.09 | feyruz | I think that is because its driver is not included in the 'pure' versions of debian |
| 13:54.14 | moonwolf1 | feyruz: if you mean non free you must add contrib non free repos to your source list |
| 13:54.17 | r6ku | feyruz: there are install images with firmware on them http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 13:54.23 | fmerges | themill: https://docs.kde.org/trunk4/en/kdegraphics/okular/annotations.html |
| 13:54.30 | feyruz | r6ku: thats what I was looking for! |
| 13:54.32 | feyruz | thanks |
| 13:54.34 | awal1 | tripout, updating i guess you frogot 'update' ;) |
| 13:54.38 | fmerges | themill: Since Okular 0.15 you can save annotations directly into PDF files... |
| 13:55.03 | mx204 | Okay, that's fine but I think most aren't using IRC or going through much work to find those types of things. Anyway, I appreciate your answers! :) |
| 13:55.07 | tripout | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.40 | tripout | awal1, yeah forgot it. thanks :) |
| 13:55.57 | awal1 | tripout, that makes youan active user, not a passive one ... |
| 13:56.18 | moonwolf1 | tripout: it might seem hard in when first running it, but the more you run debian the more you learn |
| 13:56.43 | awal1 | and the more you like it and get attached to it :P |
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| 13:57.04 | tripout | moonwolf1, yes that's true and that's one reason why i'm using it... |
| 13:57.20 | moonwolf1 | awal1: agree |
| 13:57.39 | tripout | also i really appreciate it's stability and compability compared to other distributions |
| 13:58.13 | themill | fmerges: oh, that's new and very nice. And yes, it works for me. |
| 13:58.57 | fmerges | themill: it does? can you tell me what do you have installed. I have 0.20.2 |
| 13:59.14 | fmerges | fmerges: debian jessie... |
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| 14:00.24 | tripout | mx204, the nonfree package is btw. the adobe flash plugin... but it's an old version that's only getting security updates because adobe stopped linux support. |
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| 14:00.40 | tripout | please correct me if i'm wrong |
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| 14:01.06 | themill | fmerges: 0.20.2 of what? |
| 14:01.26 | themill | ,v okular jessie |
| 14:01.27 | judd | Package: okular on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.14.2-2 |
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| 14:02.34 | fmerges | themill: okular -v |
| 14:03.14 | fmerges | themill: 4:4.14.2-2 installed too, but saving to pdf is not working it saves it like a okular file |
| 14:03.21 | fmerges | themill: with pdf extension... |
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| 14:04.11 | mx204 | tripout, it's somewhat odd that Linux in general seems to be getting more popular (according to some web pages) and yet software support seems to be going down. |
| 14:04.20 | themill | fmerges: what does "like a okular file" mean? |
| 14:05.00 | fmerges | themill: well its a okular file, a ziped file |
| 14:05.11 | themill | I have no idea what an okular file is. |
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| 14:06.14 | fmerges | themill: its a file that contains the annotations so you can send it to someone |
| 14:06.24 | fmerges | themill: instead of having only the annotations in your .kde folder |
| 14:06.31 | themill | fmerges: how are you saving the pdf? |
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| 14:06.43 | mx204 | Why would Adobe quit supporting Firefox Flash in Linux? |
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| 14:07.19 | fmerges | themill: i go to File > Save as > write the file with an .pdf extension added to the name |
| 14:07.39 | themill | saving as a different file name? |
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| 14:08.27 | fmerges | themill: no just extension.. |
| 14:08.29 | fmerges | let me try |
| 14:08.50 | fmerges | themill: na.. still the same |
| 14:09.07 | themill | ah, you're opening some exported archive in the first place, not a PDF? |
| 14:09.18 | feyruz | I have installed Debian 8 jessie on my system and later foolishly added the testing repo to my apt sources list (in order to upgrade the Gnome to then latest version). Now I have a system which is probably mixed with unstable testing packages and sometimes it crashes when using certain applications. |
| 14:09.36 | fmerges | themill: yes, i have a .okular file and i want to open and save to pdf with annotations.. |
| 14:09.41 | feyruz | is there a way to tell Debian to rollback to stable versioned packages |
| 14:09.46 | themill | feyruz: no |
| 14:09.50 | feyruz | :( |
| 14:10.01 | feyruz | themill what is the best way for me to fix this |
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| 14:10.11 | themill | fmerges: I've quite obviously never tried that, but this would be the key difference |
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| 14:11.04 | tortib | ux |
| 14:11.17 | fmerges | themill: ok i got something i just saved it as 't' without extension, then it picks it as a zip archive and when i open it there is a pdf and some xml files |
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| 14:11.42 | fmerges | themill: the pdf has the annotations, so i guess it was something that did the guy that mailed me the .okular file.. |
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| 14:13.24 | themill | fmerges: yeah, it's not the most useful looking archive |
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| 14:14.10 | tripout | mx204, if you're a new linux user, you can start with other distributions as well, because there are some other 's that are a lot more beginner friendly... there you also don't have to care about the installation of a nonfree plugin because it's preinstalled. try ubuntu, mint, or manjaro (but that's arch based). |
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| 14:17.48 | sappel34 | feyruz: "downgrade" to stable is possible. follow explanations in this answer (applies to jessie also): http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/117122/how-to-get-back-from-testing-to-stable-kernel-downgrade |
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| 14:18.07 | Martyn | Good morning |
| 14:18.16 | Martyn | What happened with #Freenode and Debian yesterday? |
| 14:18.36 | mx204 | tripout, thanks for the advice. I'm not all that new to Unix/Linux but sometimes it's still a frustrating GUI to me. This is my first try at Debian but I've used Red Hat, Ubuntu, Solaris & others in the past. |
| 14:18.53 | bmomjian | got kicked of Freenode for 4 hours yesterday for some reason. |
| 14:19.14 | fmerges | themill: thanks! |
| 14:19.22 | feyruz | sappel34: investigating |
| 14:19.29 | feyruz | thank you! |
| 14:19.43 | jthomas | feyruz i'd love some sort of snapshot-in-time, system-restore type option in the Linux world, to roll to a specific package set. I've never seen this tho |
| 14:19.51 | sappel34 | feyruz: i did the same once without any problem... |
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| 14:21.34 | feyruz | jthomas: that would be great really, wish I had that option |
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| 14:24.15 | hexnewbie | I was upgrading an Ubuntu server, and I noticed aptitute is localised (in Bulgarian). On my Debian systems, only apt-get happens to be localised. I can't seem to find any aptitude l10n or i18n package - what am I missing, or is this an Ubuntu-only thing? |
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| 14:27.11 | hexnewbie | Hm, is the existence of gettext databases like /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/aptitude.mo a thing introduced with a recent Debian version? Because those seem to be missing on this rather dated Ubuntu machine. |
| 14:27.12 | Fjorgynn | what |
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| 14:29.07 | hexnewbie | Strangely enough, those exist in lenny |
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| 14:43.34 | Iridos | hexnewbie, compare versions between ubuntu and debian... also: aptitude changelog aptitude (and possibly aptitude changelog apt or the like) |
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| 14:46.02 | hexnewbie | Iridos: Yeah, thanks. I did those, it seems Ubuntu's aptitude is the version from wheezy, but Debian is having .po files, Ubuntu isn't. OTOH, Debian versions have .po files as far as I could go, so probably Ubuntu are doing something awkward (like using apt-get .po files or whatever). There simply isn't localisation for aptitude :) |
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| 14:51.54 | vadmeste | Hello. Anyone is able to see the GIF of this link ? https://twitter.com/sadserver/status/713496717056815105, I have the last version of Firefox under Debian, FF 38 is published since 11 months only but it seems that it is already not well supported by twitter |
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| 14:53.11 | markybob | vadmeste: go to mozilla.debian.net and get a fancy new firefox |
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| 14:53.28 | mx204 | Hmm, I have 45.0.1 Firefox in Debian. Maybe check for updates. |
| 14:54.44 | TomTomTosch | mx204, you have said fancy new firefox that is not in main. one has to install that first. |
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| 14:55.35 | mx204 | Yeah, I installed it from the Mozilla web page as I remember. |
| 14:55.57 | mx204 | A few days ago. |
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| 14:59.26 | vadmeste | markybob: thanks.. |
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| 15:01.29 | Iridos | vadmeste, it's really http://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CebZdoHUEAALYHZ.mp4 ... not sure why that gives an error in the browser |
| 15:01.32 | Walakea | will the firefox ba availible in stable? |
| 15:01.42 | Walakea | or can i just live with iceweasel? |
| 15:02.02 | jthomas | iceweasel works fine but it doesn't get updates like the official Mozilla does |
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| 15:02.30 | jthomas | and Mozilla Ff won't be in the repos until some license disagreements are worked out or are changes |
| 15:02.51 | jthomas | I always start with Iceweasel and after a while I give in to Ff |
| 15:03.01 | TomTomTosch | firefox is in the repos, just not for stable. and iceweasel does get updates. |
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| 15:03.11 | jthomas | oh that's cool to know Ff is in there |
| 15:03.13 | jthomas | now |
| 15:03.38 | jthomas | but does Debian Stable get updates for Iceweasel to match the current Ff release? |
| 15:03.56 | jthomas | It seems far less frequent in my experience |
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| 15:05.31 | mx204 | Does anyone know why Firefox/Mozilla has a licensing problem? |
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| 15:05.53 | markybob | mx204: because they were dumbasses. they changed their minds, thus firefox now in repos |
| 15:06.00 | TomTomTosch | jthomas, it gets security fixes. https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/iceweasel |
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| 15:06.46 | epsilon | only seamonkey aka iceape has been dropped from security |
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| 15:06.53 | markybob | mx204: basically you couldn't change *anything* and use their logo/name. |
| 15:07.36 | hashworks | Hi! We're starting a debian machine with kvm and use a kernel and initrm which isn't in the VM disk. Can I safely remove the kernel and /boot from the guest VM? |
| 15:07.54 | mx204 | markybob, But isn't Firefox open source. Why rename to Iceweasel as the name for a lesser software? |
| 15:07.58 | tty0_ | (jthomas: and Mozilla Ff won't be in the repos until some license disagreements are worked out): https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006#90 |
| 15:07.59 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/815006 in iceweasel (open): «Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-17; last modified: 2016-03-06. |
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| 15:08.26 | markybob | tty0_: it's already there. http://packages.debian.org/firefox |
| 15:08.40 | markybob | jthomas: ^ |
| 15:09.34 | mx204 | Yeah, I'm using Firefox now but it took a little looking around to find it for Debian. |
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| 15:10.24 | markybob | mx204: because debian needed to make changes. no other choice back then. that's changed. |
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| 15:10.43 | mx204 | In 8.3.0 it didn't show up as something as a defualt choice. |
| 15:11.06 | TomTomTosch | debian takes free software rather seroius and does not compromise. it's more important than convenience. |
| 15:11.29 | mx204 | Okay. That's good. |
| 15:11.50 | TomTomTosch | mx204, it didn't show up as default because it's not a default. iceweasel is still. |
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| 15:13.21 | mx204 | TomTomTosch, I just wouldn't want to use Iceweasel since I have a few plugins that work with Firefox such as a email notifier & such. |
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| 15:16.15 | mx204 | Plus, it somewhat bothers me that Mozilla Firefox is just renamed to Iceweasel because what's the point? |
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| 15:16.55 | mx204 | Outdated updates & problems. |
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| 15:17.58 | markybob | mx204: you need to understand the reason. it's not just renamed. |
| 15:17.58 | mx204 | I've never started Iceweasel and never will. |
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| 15:18.30 | markybob | mx204: mozilla wouldn't allow us to backport security fixes (changes) to stable. that's not okay |
| 15:18.30 | mx204 | Well, I just don't trust it. |
| 15:18.52 | markybob | mx204: you can have you misinformed opinion all you want. |
| 15:19.12 | AimHere | Debian mods a lot of it's packages. Iceweasel was one where the upstream supplier wanted a name change |
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| 15:19.42 | AimHere | If you don't trust iceweasel, why should you trust the rest of Debian |
| 15:20.12 | AimHere | locate -i Changelog.Debian.gz | wc -l -> 1853(!) |
| 15:20.23 | abrotman | mx204: that was Mozilla's decision |
| 15:20.26 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 15:20.26 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
| 15:20.38 | mx204 | markybob, Okay, that's cool. Maybe I have to look into it a bit more. But some of my my plugins said they wouldn't work with with Iceweasel. |
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| 15:21.26 | TomTomTosch | mx204, probably because it's an older version. iceweasel /is/ firefox. |
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| 15:21.49 | jthomas | some plugins also seem to check the browser identity and will refuse, I've noticed |
| 15:21.57 | AimHere | If it truly didn't work with iceweasel, that would just likely be features removed for non-DFSG-compliance reasons or browser identification issues |
| 15:22.03 | jthomas | bunch o bullsht but it's true |
| 15:22.15 | Avasz | !iceweasel vs firefox |
| 15:22.15 | dpkg | The main difference between iceweasel and firefox is the icon. The rendering engine is the same, the preferences are the same, the handling of plugins like flash is the same. Ask me about <iceweasel doesn't work> <iceweasel user-agent> <why iceweasel> <iceweasel backports>. |
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| 15:22.50 | TomTomTosch | well, the mozilla merketplace does not care much for the DFSG. |
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| 15:22.57 | AimHere | I'm sure there's a variation of the old 'weasily identified' joke in here somewhere, but it may be too contrived to use |
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| 15:23.52 | TomTomTosch | mx204, you are free to use what you feel comfortable with. you have many options. iceweasel is not forced upon you. |
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| 15:24.56 | Cook | I have a dell san and a debian server how can I connect to the san and share the drives via smb? is there a tut? |
| 15:24.57 | mx204 | I know that and thank you TomTomTosch but in the end I'd like to use Firefox for the plugins. |
| 15:25.20 | abrotman | then install FF, we don't need to have a discussion about it |
| 15:25.30 | abrotman | But we can't support you with their installer |
| 15:26.05 | mx204 | Alright. |
| 15:26.39 | mx204 | Jeez. |
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| 15:28.48 | Iridos | mx204, the iceweasel in debian stablee is the firefox-lts (i.e. long-time support) version... that the lts version is older than "current" firefox is the main cause for differences you see. |
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| 15:29.29 | jelly | Iridos: firefox esr |
| 15:29.34 | Iridos | ops, esr |
| 15:29.40 | Iridos | same difference, though |
| 15:29.53 | jelly | they're going to switch esr to 45esr soon (before May) |
| 15:31.32 | mx204 | I guess sometimes I worry about someone copying some software and then leaving or or adding stuff such as Firefox be it Windows or Debian. |
| 15:32.42 | mx204 | I'd guess it's better to have Mozilla Firefox than Iceweasel. |
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| 15:32.57 | jthomas | that's everyone's concern which is why the code is free and open, but not everyone can vet the code so we kinda need to rely on someone to make society move forward |
| 15:34.17 | mx204 | jthomas, Why bother though when Mozilla aleready did it? |
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| 15:34.54 | jthomas | because of license concerns with the redistribution of their product. it's still there for you to use, go for it |
| 15:35.25 | mx204 | Okay. |
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| 15:35.59 | Cook | I have a san and a debian server how can I connect to the san and share the drives via smb? is there a tut? |
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| 15:39.07 | mx204 | It just seems like Iceweesel is a lesser web browser than Firefox like for plugins & stuff. |
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| 15:46.58 | pial | dmesg is showing this warning "Your BIOS is broken and requested that x2apic be disabled.Use 'intremap=no_x2apic_optout' to override BIOS request." |
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| 15:47.29 | pial | it seems to be required for virtualization. can i run virtual box or vmware vm's if i fix it? |
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| 15:50.19 | jimbosss | Hi, after I kill a process, it starts itself back up right after, is there a way to prevent it from automatically starting ? Thank you. |
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| 15:50.40 | pial | or does it refer to Xen Virtualization kind virtualization? |
| 15:50.41 | greycat | Figure out what is restarting it. It could be systemd, sysvinit, some locally-installed service manager, etc. |
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| 15:57.27 | jimbosss | Im sorry, but im not really experienced with these things. Mind elaborating a little on how would I go about it ? |
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| 15:58.16 | greycat | What process is it? What version of Debian is it? |
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| 16:00.51 | KNERD | jimbosss: you can do "kill -9 xxxx" |
| 16:01.08 | greycat | That will NOT prevent the respawning which is occurring on behalf of some manager process. |
| 16:01.20 | greycat | It will also potentially break things by preventing cleanup. |
| 16:01.33 | KNERD | i usually have success with using that |
| 16:01.50 | KNERD | bt yes it is a bit harsh |
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| 16:03.41 | jeff1 | is bash the default shell in debian |
| 16:04.04 | Iridos | for users, yes |
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| 16:04.36 | greycat | Bash is the default user/interactive shell, and dash is the default /bin/sh for boot scripts etc. |
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| 16:05.55 | Iridos | mmh, he asked the same for ubuntu less than a minute later |
| 16:06.10 | Iridos | guess that's quicker than looking it up |
| 16:06.17 | greycat | If he's going to ask that for every operating system, it will take him a while. |
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| 16:06.34 | greycat | He'll probably get a lot of wrong answers along the way, too. This is IRC after all. |
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| 16:07.08 | Akuw | i am getting Err http://http.debian.net squeeze/main Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.37.36 80] Err http://http.debian.net squeeze/main amd64 Packages |
| 16:07.14 | Iridos | seems one of the few legitimate reasons for crossposting, though |
| 16:07.16 | greycat | squeeze is archived. |
| 16:07.42 | Iridos | dpkg, squeeze sources.list |
| 16:07.42 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 16:07.51 | greycat | That's not correct. |
| 16:07.58 | greycat | Oh. Wait. Maybe it is... |
| 16:08.11 | greycat | I don't know about that combo of archive and lts though. |
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| 16:08.39 | Iridos | dpkg, factinfo squeeze sources.list |
| 16:08.39 | dpkg | squeeze sources.list -- created by stew <~stew@freenode/staff-emeritus/stew> at Wed Jan 12 02:35:56 2011 (1906 days); last modified at Tue Mar 8 20:28:13 2016 by jelly!jelly@pdpc/supporter/active/jelly; it has been requested 862 times, last by Iridos, 57s ago. |
| 16:08.53 | Iridos | surely jelly makes no mistakes |
| 16:09.38 | greycat | I got one of my squeeze boxes working (post-lts) with deb http://archive.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 16:09.56 | greycat | I don't know if that's the best thing I could have done but it made the errors stop. |
| 16:10.06 | Akuw | http://pastebin.ca/3431661 my sources.list |
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| 16:10.40 | Aorious | Hi, How can I solve the following error, upon shutdown? 'systemd_shutdown[1]: failed to finalize DM devices, ignoring' Also, attempting to check syslog, it seems that logging ends before this occurs. |
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| 16:13.29 | Iridos | greycat, one is the archived squeeze, the other the archived squeeze-lts (+ security updates - arch!=amd64/i386) |
| 16:13.50 | greycat | They didn't merge the LTS stuff into the squeeze archive? :( |
| 16:14.36 | greycat | Aorious: this is the second time I've seen that question, but there is no indication what PROBLEM you are actually trying to fix. It says "ignoring". Is this not just a harmless warning? |
| 16:15.44 | Akuw | greycat: http://pastebin.ca/3431661 |
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| 16:16.17 | greycat | ... and? Did dpkg's answer work? |
| 16:16.46 | Akuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.11 | greycat | You did not read dpkg's answer. |
| 16:17.16 | greycat | It should be archive, not http. |
| 16:17.41 | Akuw | then |
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| 16:18.25 | greycat | jelly's/dpkg's answer is slightly broken. I get "E: Release file expired, ignoring http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/Release (invalid since 17d 0h 58min 23s)" |
| 16:18.38 | greycat | So that would explain why I only had the first line, not the second one. |
| 16:19.33 | Aorious | greycat: I guess it is seemly harmless, however I would still like to learn the source of this error message. |
| 16:19.40 | Akuw | http://pastebin.ca/3431696 |
| 16:21.00 | greycat | leaves the squeeze-lts line in, just in case it starts working some time in the future |
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| 16:25.06 | kion | Just curious, is it possible to install something-backports from synaptic? |
| 16:25.18 | kion | I mean the GUI |
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| 16:27.45 | Aorious | kion: I found that the Package menu can Force Version on a package, however this does not automatically resolve issues with dependencies. |
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| 16:30.26 | Aorious | kion: The option is greyed out, until you hightlight an installed package. |
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| 16:33.36 | Akuw | greycat: how can i fix? |
| 16:34.07 | greycat | Use the sources that dpkg said to use. Here, I'll re-paste it for you from my own squeeze box. |
| 16:34.10 | greycat | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 16:34.12 | greycat | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-free |
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| 16:35.17 | greycat | The second one currently generates an error. You can ignore that error. |
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| 16:35.47 | greycat | I guess if you didn't do your squeeze-lts updates before Feb 29, you're fucked. |
| 16:36.10 | TomTomTosch | -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false lets you ignore that :3 |
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| 16:36.27 | greycat | C++ programmers. *shudder* |
| 16:37.00 | greycat | Can you put that in sources.list or does it have to go in apt.conf.d or something? |
| 16:37.18 | greycat | Would be especially good if you can just put it in sources.list so it only applies to *one* line, not all lines. |
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| 16:38.04 | TomTomTosch | that one you can pass as option to apt-get. otherwise apt.conf.d. not sure if there is a different way. |
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| 16:42.05 | kion | Aorious, thanks! |
| 16:43.17 | sadnews | Hello! I'm writing from a mac. I realized I had few space in linux partition, so I made a dmg image of it, resized it, then used dd to put the image back. Problem is: now I still have only the disk space from the image, but the system can't use the rest of the space of the partition. Is there a way to claim that unused space? |
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| 16:44.53 | frostschutz | sadnews, grow your partitions, filesystems, ...? |
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| 16:46.35 | [BNC]dimitry7 | hi guys |
| 16:46.51 | [BNC]dimitry7 | my postfix logs save only until mail.log.4.gz |
| 16:46.57 | [BNC]dimitry7 | i want to save until mail.log.10.gz |
| 16:47.01 | [BNC]dimitry7 | where do i do the modification? |
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| 16:47.40 | greycat | Oh hey, a libpcre3 update in squeeze-lts. |
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| 16:47.50 | sadnews | I mean: I have grown the linux partition and now, physically, it has more space, only the system can't "see" it. Although gparted advices that extra space exists! :-( |
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| 16:49.15 | sadnews | The system only reports the same ammount of disk as before the image was made, as if it was "enclosed" inside the image. |
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| 16:50.02 | greycat | dpkg, squeeze sources.list =~ s#Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.#Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf.# |
| 16:50.03 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'Be sure to run �aptitude update� after editing sources.list.', greycat |
| 16:50.09 | greycat | Oh FUCK me. |
| 16:50.21 | greycat | I have to be on a utf-8 box to edit this? :( |
| 16:50.31 | [BNC]dimitry7 | fucks greycat |
| 16:50.32 | [BNC]dimitry7 | hahaha |
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| 16:52.19 | greycat | dpkg, squeeze sources.list =~ s/ after editing sources.list// |
| 16:52.19 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 16:52.55 | greycat | dpkg, squeeze sources.list =~ s#Be sure to run#Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run# |
| 16:52.55 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 16:53.39 | blawiz | how to change editor for crontab? |
| 16:53.51 | blawiz | (permanently) |
| 16:54.37 | Iridos | [BNC]dimitry7, depends on what's doing the log rotation. Most likely /etc/logrotate.d/postfix* |
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| 16:55.44 | Iridos | blawiz, you can do something export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim in .bashrc ... that will affect more than just crontab |
| 16:56.05 | [BNC]dimitry7 | Iridos, nop, i don't have postfix in logrotate.d |
| 16:56.38 | markybob | dpkg tell blawiz about update-alternatives |
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| 16:57.06 | [BNC]dimitry7 | :q |
| 16:57.12 | blawiz | Iridos: thank you, sir :] |
| 16:57.47 | Iridos | markybob, that's not so useful if you don't know what crontab actually calls, though... one'd have to guess that it might be "sensible-editor" ... and it changes things for every user |
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| 16:59.46 | junkatown | how do i remove residual config with apt ? |
| 16:59.50 | Iridos | [BNC]dimitry7, dunno then. Check if you see anything in /etc/rsyslog.d/postfix.conf |
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| 17:00.42 | Iridos | probably not |
| 17:00.48 | greycat | junkatown: apt purge ... or apt-get --purge remove ... |
| 17:01.09 | Iridos | I use exim... so I can't look on my system but have to guess on postfix stuff |
| 17:02.02 | [BNC]dimitry7 | Iridos, i will define another entry in logrotate.conf |
| 17:02.11 | [BNC]dimitry7 | /var/log/mail.log {...} |
| 17:02.22 | junkatown | greycat: thanks, apt --help was only mentioning remove |
| 17:02.29 | Iridos | that's not such a good idea when something else is already doing log rotation |
| 17:03.13 | [BNC]dimitry7 | Iridos, :S |
| 17:03.18 | Iridos | probably postfix does it itself, then |
| 17:03.23 | [BNC]dimitry7 | how can i know what's rotating? |
| 17:03.27 | [BNC]dimitry7 | cos postfix is not ther |
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| 17:04.07 | Iridos | [BNC]dimitry7, possibly by googling https://www.howtoforge.com/community/threads/how-and-when-are-postfix-logs-rotated-on-debian-ubuntu-systems-by-default.66348/ |
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| 17:05.48 | Iridos | and you can't easily know what's rotating a log... most logs are usually done by logrotate, but some packages use other methods |
| 17:06.38 | Iridos | and as you either have to do a full restart of the service or the service has to cooperate for log rotation... |
| 17:06.58 | [BNC]dimitry7 | okay |
| 17:07.00 | [BNC]dimitry7 | let me check |
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| 17:13.35 | [BNC]dimitry7 | Iridos, man |
| 17:13.39 | [BNC]dimitry7 | it's rsyslog :) |
| 17:13.49 | [BNC]dimitry7 | i ill just increase the rotate number |
| 17:13.52 | [BNC]dimitry7 | thank you!! |
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| 17:17.00 | Iridos | yw |
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| 17:19.53 | Akuw | greycat : El archivo «Release» ha expirado |
| 17:20.25 | greycat | !squeeze sources.list |
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| 17:20.25 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:20.25 | sadnews | Hello! I'm writing from a mac. I realized I had few space in linux partition, so I made a dmg image of it, resized it, then used dd to put the image back. Problem is: now I still have only the same ammount of disk space as before I made the image, as if the rest of the space of the partition didn't exist, even tho gparted shows it (with a warning). |
| 17:20.26 | sadnews | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.47 | greycat | I added the Acquire:: bit just now based on previous comments in the channel. Scroll up for those if you're interested. |
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| 17:23.26 | Akuw | E: El archivo «Release» ha expirado, ignorando http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/Release (inválido desde hace 17d 2h 4min. 22seg.) |
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| 17:24.49 | greycat | Add the Acquire:: bit to the right file. |
| 17:25.35 | Akuw | i don't have apt.conf |
| 17:25.46 | Iridos | make it? |
| 17:25.56 | Iridos | create it?* |
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| 17:26.53 | Akuw | same ---> E: El archivo «Release» ha expirado, ignorando http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/Release (inválido desde hace 17d 2h 7min. 56seg.) |
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| 17:27.35 | julius | i would like to change my system language from GER to EN. is dpkg-reconfigure locales a one shot solution? |
| 17:27.57 | greycat | julius: depends on where else you might be setting LANG et al. |
| 17:28.02 | greycat | julius: try it and see |
| 17:28.06 | julius | i mean does it also tell gnome to be "english"? |
| 17:28.12 | greycat | I don't know gnome. |
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| 17:28.17 | julius | i dont set LANG |
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| 17:29.39 | julius | ah ok, google says something about that |
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| 17:36.33 | Akuw | greycat : what is the problem then? |
| 17:36.56 | greycat | Perhaps you misspelled the filename. Perhaps you misspelled the Acquire::... text or accidentally included the quotes. |
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| 17:38.42 | Akuw | reason was : cquire::Check-Valid-Until false; missing "A" |
| 17:38.44 | Akuw | thanks |
| 17:38.53 | Akuw | i am updating debian now |
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| 17:54.51 | kang00 | Hi all |
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| 18:06.07 | Riverside | Anyone here have any luck getting Plymouth working on Wheezy in VMWare ESXi 6.x? I'm super stuck. Followed the instructions https://wiki.debian.org/plymouth to the letter. |
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| 18:08.36 | markybob | you want graphical boot for a virtual machine? why the hell? |
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| 18:09.02 | Riverside | It's for an appliance |
| 18:09.10 | Riverside | Don't want the users seeing what's booting. |
| 18:09.25 | Riverside | need the pretty logo. ;) |
| 18:09.37 | markybob | Riverside: and why are you running wheezy and not stable? |
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| 18:12.39 | kang00 | (kang00) How to set up smb connection between andriid and Windows Phone? For For transfer |
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| 18:12.57 | Iridos | perhaps so he has a reason to hide the boot screen :D |
| 18:13.00 | markybob | kang00: tell me how that's debian related |
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| 18:13.38 | Iridos | that'll be interesting |
| 18:13.45 | kang00 | Nothing markybob |
| 18:13.57 | markybob | kang00: so don't ask in here. it's offtopic. |
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| 18:15.00 | Riverside | markybob - haven't gotten everything tested to move to Jessie yet. |
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| 18:34.06 | _FBi | <_FBi> Q: Why would a file system become ro, then fix itself upon reboot? |
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| 18:34.50 | greycat | $ grep errors /etc/fstab |
| 18:34.50 | greycat | UUID=1a20ffb7-897c-4373-84c1-14089a6deab8 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 18:35.10 | greycat | Upon reboot, it must have done an fsck and came up clean, so it was left rw. |
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| 18:38.40 | Akuw | how can i update mysql to last version but i have squeeze |
| 18:39.10 | greycat | You don't. |
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| 18:39.29 | vook | squeeze is pretty old, required libraries wouldn't be available |
| 18:40.10 | Akuw | i have to make a dist upgrade then |
| 18:40.22 | vook | dist-upgrade won't do it |
| 18:40.30 | greycat | It would, if you do it twice. |
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| 18:40.48 | _FBi | :) |
| 18:40.50 | greycat | And all of the other upgrade steps alongside that. |
| 18:40.55 | Strogg | yarrr.. man.. I"m trying to get acroread installed on amd64 and it's driving me nuts. hehe |
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| 18:41.39 | Strogg | so, acroread wants libgtk2.0-0, and I have that installed for amd64, so I'm guessing it wants the i386 version. How do I install that? I thought it was apt-get install libgtk2-0.0:i386, but apt-get says that's not found |
| 18:41.44 | Strogg | what am I doing wrong here? |
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| 18:42.12 | vook | !multiarch |
| 18:42.12 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 18:42.13 | Akuw | what happen is in my pc i have last version of mysql and i export database, the when import in server i got #1273 - Unknown collation: 'utf8mb4_unicode_ci' |
| 18:42.25 | Akuw | so i need to upgrade to mysql new version |
| 18:42.53 | Iridos | Strogg, what acrobat reader is that? |
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| 18:43.18 | Strogg | Iridos: I'm trying 9.4.7 it supposed to be supported |
| 18:43.26 | Strogg | tries vook's lead |
| 18:43.29 | Akuw | PC mysql version: 5.5.42-1 Server mysql version: 5.1.73-1+deb6u1 |
| 18:43.54 | greycat | Or perhaps you need to use an older mysql on your development PC. |
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| 18:44.07 | Iridos | heh. seems I installed a package for it in wheezy... which I still have |
| 18:44.19 | Iridos | dpkg, acrobat |
| 18:44.19 | dpkg | Adobe Acrobat is a computer program family for authoring and manipulating of Portable Document Format (<PDF>) files. Adobe Reader (formerly Acrobat Reader) is available from deb-multimedia, ask me about <dmm>. http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/ See also <edit pdf>, <adobe distiller server>. |
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| 18:44.59 | Strogg | vook: Aha. Thanks! I could have sworn I had down that since my reinstall, but I guess not |
| 18:45.26 | Iridos | judd, versions adobereader-enu |
| 18:45.27 | judd | No package named 'adobereader-enu' was found in amd64. |
| 18:45.39 | Iridos | hm |
| 18:45.42 | Strogg | I prefer zathura for generic pdf reading, but we have some funky PDFs with object properties and stuff |
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| 18:47.03 | Iridos | oh, I needed it because apparently acrobat's own programs are the only ones allowed to violate the PDF standard |
| 18:47.16 | Strogg | lol |
| 18:47.20 | Iridos | which means acroread is the only program that can fill pdf forms and save the result in the pdf |
| 18:47.27 | greycat | If xpdf doesn't read it, I usually just stop trying. |
| 18:47.40 | Strogg | yeah.. same.. but it's work stuff |
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| 18:48.03 | greycat | Iridos: eugh. People still DO that?! |
| 18:48.15 | Iridos | do what |
| 18:48.18 | greycat | I thought all of the people who used to do that used Excel now. |
| 18:48.41 | Iridos | ? |
| 18:49.09 | greycat | "that" = emai you a PDF and expect you to modify it and send it back |
| 18:49.20 | Strogg | bets government |
| 18:49.32 | greycat | Nowadays it's "modify this .xlsx and send it back" for me. |
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| 18:49.37 | Iridos | oh no. I'm supposed to download it myself |
| 18:49.47 | greycat | And then what? |
| 18:50.17 | Iridos | university has work-travel forms and travel-reimbursement forms |
| 18:50.45 | greycat | So yeah, "people still do that" where you are. I'm sorry. |
| 18:50.49 | Iridos | fill, print, sign |
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| 18:51.17 | jhutchins | Iridos: Depending on the form, there are some that will work with l/ooffice. |
| 18:51.26 | Iridos | the odyssee to finally get back at acrobat reader was... "fun" |
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| 18:51.45 | greycat | When I started this job, we had one form that we had to fill out, monthly. I converted it to Postscript, edited out the sample numbers leaving the fields blank, and saved it. Then I would print the blanked version and write in the numbers with a pen. |
| 18:51.47 | Iridos | e.g. okular fills it... but as it cannot save it into the PDF, it has a separate file with the contents somewhere |
| 18:51.52 | vook | yeah, I see that too sometimes. Occasionally I have to tediously use gimp place text on top of a form. |
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| 18:52.10 | Iridos | which means... it's still there when you re-open it |
| 18:52.21 | Iridos | then you rename the file and the contents are gone \o/ |
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| 18:53.17 | greycat | Fortunately for me, that form is history. We use Kronos (a web application) for reporting that stuff now. |
| 18:53.52 | Iridos | I really had *lots* of fun until I found out what okular does there |
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| 18:57.38 | jhutchins | Iridos: You can "print" to PDF from okular, can't you? |
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| 18:57.51 | Iridos | yes... and then it's not a form anymore |
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| 18:58.11 | Iridos | you also have to remember to do that :P |
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| 18:59.22 | jmcnaught | With xournal and a wacom tablet you can pretend any PDF is a form. |
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| 19:01.32 | TiCPU | in reference to http://bugs.debian.org/701112 which is a bug against nginx logging, how come the decision was to change ownership of /var/log/nginx from root to www-data, this is an even more potent security issue now..? |
| 19:01.33 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/701112 in nginx (closed, security): «nginx: CVE-2013-0337: Directory /var/log/nginx is world readable»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-02-21; last modified: 2014-01-26. |
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| 19:02.23 | greycat | The owner doesn't matter if the reported issue was the "other" permissions. |
| 19:02.34 | TiCPU | apparmor says that nginx needs dac_override because of this, it opens the log as root then setuid to www-data, having the log directory as www-data means it can unlink logs |
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| 19:03.37 | TiCPU | greycat, yes exactly, the owner was changed even though the bug report was about the other permissions, to fix this, changing root:root/755 to root:adm/750 would have been enough |
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| 19:08.06 | TiCPU | greycat, it seems message #44 says that logparsers need to read those logs, well, in that case, I guess the logparser should be in adm group, even logrotate chown all log files to www-data! |
| 19:08.08 | g0th | when I do "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc" I get: "dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read ../libtorrent-rasterbar_1.0.6-2ubuntu1.dsc: No such file or directory |
| 19:08.12 | g0th | any ideas? |
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| 19:09.22 | greycat | g0th: sounds like you are building a ubuntu package. This is not #ubuntu. |
| 19:09.36 | jelly | g0th: why -nc? Does the dsc file actually exist or not? Which debian release are you doing this on? |
| 19:09.52 | TiCPU | looking at apache logs are all root:adm |
| 19:10.05 | jelly | greycat: arguably they might be building an ubuntu source package on debian |
| 19:10.32 | greycat | Possibly, yes, but would that even work? |
| 19:10.37 | jelly | sure |
| 19:10.51 | jelly | they use the same source format |
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| 19:11.28 | jelly | (I mean, ignoring all the other possible implied and explicit dependency issues) |
| 19:12.57 | jelly | if you need a version that doesn't exist in debian, it's probably saner to do that than use binary packages for the other distro |
| 19:13.00 | g0th | jelly: it does not exist, it works if I copy an other existing dsc file in its place |
| 19:13.18 | greycat | *what* |
| 19:13.19 | g0th | another* |
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| 19:14.00 | g0th | can I just leave it at that? |
| 19:14.12 | g0th | I just felt like I should probably not ignore that warning *g |
| 19:14.14 | g0th | *g* |
| 19:14.15 | jelly | can you answer the other questions? |
| 19:14.24 | g0th | my system? |
| 19:14.29 | jelly | and -nc |
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| 19:14.39 | g0th | Debian dpkg-buildpackage version 1.18.2. |
| 19:14.50 | jelly | your OS? |
| 19:14.54 | g0th | a linux |
| 19:14.59 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 19:15.16 | g0th | 4.2.0 |
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| 19:15.17 | greycat | He's building a non-Debian package on a non-Debian system. |
| 19:15.18 | jelly | g0th: sadly, this isn't the right place to ask dpkg questions for "a linux" |
| 19:15.26 | g0th | ok, where should I ask? |
| 19:15.31 | greycat | On your OS's channel. |
| 19:15.37 | jelly | g0th: you want ##linux or whatever distro you're doing it on |
| 19:15.43 | g0th | how is this distribution dependent? |
| 19:15.48 | jelly | very. |
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| 19:15.56 | g0th | if it was then dpkg would be like debian |
| 19:16.01 | g0th | so that's why I went to debian |
| 19:16.10 | g0th | anyway |
| 19:16.16 | g0th | does just copying the .dsc file work? |
| 19:16.21 | jelly | sadly, there's no channel for dpkg and apt in general. We deal with Debian only here. |
| 19:16.38 | greycat | A .dsc file is text. Try reading one. |
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| 19:16.55 | jelly | g0th: so, again, please respect our choice to help debian users, or reproduce the same issue on actual Debian and ask again |
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| 19:17.20 | g0th | libtorrent-rasterbar_1.0.6-2.dsc |
| 19:17.35 | jelly | if anyone wants to help they can join ##linux as well. |
| 19:17.42 | g0th | can I just copy this to libtorrent-rasterbar_1.0.6-2ubuntu1.dsc |
| 19:17.55 | g0th | that's what I was wondering |
| 19:18.00 | g0th | because it did something after that |
| 19:18.03 | jelly | I'm going to be an arse and mute you now. |
| 19:18.07 | g0th | what? |
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| 19:18.10 | g0th | what did I do? |
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| 19:21.25 | MichaelTun | are any APT developers in here? I would just like to know when was the "apt" command introduced in Debian? |
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| 19:22.33 | jmcnaught | MichaelTun: it's new in Jessie |
| 19:23.47 | MichaelTun | jmcnaught: thanks that narrows it down from 1.0 to 1.0.9.8.2 but that is still a very large range :) |
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| 19:25.32 | jmcnaught | MichaelTun: i guess you'll need to read the changelog then |
| 19:25.44 | greycat | It is in version 1.0 according to the changelog. |
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| 19:25.52 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:26.32 | MichaelTun | greycat: thanks I missed that part. That's when I thought it was due to the update to the manpage from that version but I didnt see the binary mention. Thanks for that |
| 19:27.16 | MichaelTun | lol yea totally feel silly now that I missed that. |
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| 19:29.34 | MichaelTun | that means the apt binary has a birthday today :) |
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| 19:30.05 | greycat | Ah, didn't see the date on that. |
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| 19:30.28 | greycat | /usr/bin/apt is 2 years old. 'bout time to start toilet training it. |
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| 19:31.20 | MichaelTun | :) there are some improvements in just the past 6 months like adding autoremove and purge to the apt binary . . . they grow up so fast |
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| 19:32.38 | markybob | does it finally have clean in testing/sid? |
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| 19:33.17 | markybob | i only use stable and that bothers me |
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| 19:33.49 | TiCPU | greycat, according to you, what I found about nginx log directory, is it worthy to report or I should just fix it for myself? |
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| 19:34.21 | connel | 0 ÃÃcv bth7 |
| 19:34.27 | greycat | If you've found something that looks like a bug, and isn't covered by an existing bug report, the safest choice is to report it. Let the package maintainer decide. |
| 19:34.43 | TiCPU | alright, I'll do then |
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| 19:34.52 | MichaelTun | markybob: sadly no it still doesn't have clean or autoclean |
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| 19:39.49 | jhutchins | wonders why we need apt if we already have apt-get and aptitude... |
| 19:40.12 | markybob | jhutchins: it's basically just a mix of apt-get and apt-cache...which i appreciate |
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| 19:40.50 | MichaelTun | jhutchins: because apt-get, apt-cache, apt-config is unnecessary separation when "apt" could just do it. Simplicity is good. |
| 19:41.27 | markybob | but until it can do things like clean...eh. |
| 19:41.39 | MichaelTun | and yea it is pretty much doing the same thing as the other tools but not exactly because dist-upgade in apt-get and full-upgrade in apt have differences |
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| 19:43.19 | MichaelTun | you know what's somewhat funny and disappointing markybob? Debian introducing the "apt" command in 2014 is 5 years after Linux Mint did it in 2009. (and yea Mint's does have clean and pretty much everything else) |
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| 19:47.27 | markybob | MichaelTun: that is disappointing. never used mint myself |
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| 19:51.07 | Quatroking | I just plugged in an sd card but it's not showing up anywhere, including gparted |
| 19:51.17 | Quatroking | am I forgetting somewhere? The card works fine on my phone |
| 19:51.22 | Quatroking | something* |
| 19:51.46 | markybob | Quatroking: take it out. sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog then plug it in. see anything? |
| 19:51.51 | MichaelTun | markybob: it's a different type of solution, they basically made a python script that runs the normal commands in the background. I still prefer that solution since it actually has most of the functionality that I want. Though I don't use Mint, I do like that they thought of it and surprised the crap out of me how long they've had it. |
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| 19:52.54 | MichaelTun | they also did other weird stuff I dont like such as automatically inserting sudo when needed so you don't have to know when sudo is needed. I think that is taking simplicity too far but oh well. |
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| 19:53.03 | Quatroking | markybob, yeah I'm getting a load of hardware error |
| 19:53.07 | Quatroking | lemme throw it in a pastebin |
| 19:53.31 | markybob | MichaelTun: wtf? are you being serious? |
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| 19:53.53 | MichaelTun | markybob: yea they totally did that |
| 19:53.53 | Quatroking | markybob, http://pastebin.com/qM3R5c8T |
| 19:53.59 | markybob | hmm |
| 19:54.02 | Quatroking | card is inserted at line 11 |
| 19:54.34 | markybob | Quatroking: a lot of us can't see pastebin.com |
| 19:54.38 | Quatroking | oh |
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| 19:54.47 | markybob | Quatroking: paste.debian.net |
| 19:55.09 | Quatroking | http://paste.debian.net/423257/ |
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| 19:57.10 | markybob | Quatroking: i don't have an opinion on that since you say it works on your phone. maybe someone else will have something |
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| 19:58.37 | Quatroking | Lemme try out a different card adapter just to rule that out |
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| 19:58.40 | jhutchins | Quatroking: Have you used the SD reader before? |
| 19:59.15 | Quatroking | Last time was a couple months ago when it was still running windows |
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| 20:00.04 | robert45 | hi guys |
| 20:00.05 | Quatroking | Ah, found it, adapter is dead |
| 20:00.13 | robert45 | does anyone know why I cant upgrade PHP to 5.5? http://paste.debian.net/423259/ |
| 20:00.26 | greycat | ,v php5-fpm |
| 20:00.26 | Quatroking | markybob, jhutchins, A for effort ;) |
| 20:00.27 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.44-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; jessie-security: 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie: 5.6.17+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.19+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.19+dfsg-2; stretch: 5.6.19+dfsg-2 |
| 20:00.44 | greycat | If you're on current stable, you have 5.6.17 |
| 20:01.25 | Quatroking | Alright, different question, what's the easiest way to backup the partition that's located on this sd card of mine? |
| 20:01.53 | jhutchins | Quatroking: All of my working readers are USB adapters. They work pretty well. |
| 20:02.07 | Quatroking | Ah, this reader is internal, the machine is a laptop |
| 20:02.20 | jhutchins | Quatroking: There was one point where I was using my camera as the reader and mounting that to the computer. |
| 20:02.34 | Quatroking | i was using a micro sd to regular sd adapter that was broken |
| 20:02.51 | jhutchins | Quatroking: I've seen a situation where the reader doesn't even appear until a valid card is loaded. |
| 20:03.11 | Quatroking | Yeah I know, I've used my previous phone as micro sd reader a lot |
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| 20:05.03 | robert45 | greycat I need 5.5 |
| 20:05.08 | robert45 | judd not sure if I follow |
| 20:05.09 | greycat | So you want to DOWNgrade? |
| 20:05.19 | robert45 | I have 5.4 installed |
| 20:05.22 | robert45 | I want to upgrade to 5.5 |
| 20:05.25 | greycat | Are you on Wheezy? |
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| 20:05.44 | robert45 | greycat I believe so, Im using debian 7.7 |
| 20:05.55 | greycat | Yes, that's wheezy, and you're 2 point-releases behind. |
| 20:06.14 | jmcnaught | robert45: you're using the third-party dotdebs repos, asking for a version of php5 that's never been in a Debian Stable release. You'll need to ask the dotdebs people for help if you want to keep using their packages. |
| 20:06.25 | greycat | If you upgrade to jessie (current stable), php will be version 5.6, but if you're using apache, it's a fucking horrible experience, because apache 2.2 -> 2.4. |
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| 20:06.38 | greycat | So, I don't have any simple answers. |
| 20:06.51 | robert45 | greycat I really dont want to upgrade but just use 5.5 |
| 20:07.00 | robert45 | jmcnaught yeah, they dont have a IRC channel I believe |
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| 20:09.08 | Guest_98765 | http://cur.lv/wo54f |
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| 20:10.05 | jmcnaught | robert45: one more reason not to use them then? "/msg dpkg dotdeb" has info on reporting issues to them. |
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| 20:13.12 | q-bert | any idea when eth0 became en4ps2 or something ? is there a painless way to go back ;/ |
| 20:13.46 | greycat | Are you from the future? |
| 20:14.01 | q-bert | i wish, then i'd have figured this out already greycat |
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| 20:16.01 | jmcnaught | q-bert: did you do something to your /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file? Is this a VM? |
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| 20:17.49 | greycat | Is it a post-stable kernel? |
| 20:18.01 | greycat | Hell, is it even a Linux kernel? |
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| 20:18.29 | wodim | systemd does that |
| 20:18.36 | wodim | nothing to do with the kernel I'm afraid |
| 20:18.43 | greycat | Ah, post-stable systemd then. |
| 20:19.02 | greycat | I think he actually is from the future (#debian-next). |
| 20:19.23 | teraflops | greycat: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
| 20:19.43 | wodim | every channel has some kind of a maymay to annoy people |
| 20:19.52 | wodim | in this channel it's referencing that one |
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| 20:21.17 | battlecat | hi |
| 20:21.41 | TechChristoph_ | Hi battlecat |
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| 20:24.38 | jhutchins | q-bert: That's an attempt to make the naming more consistent between boots by specifying which bus an interface is on. |
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| 20:25.28 | jhutchins | q-bert: It helps in situations where you might eth1 and eth2 from PCI and eth3 from Embedded, or it might go PCI, Embedded, PCI. |
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| 20:26.34 | rattking | ufda I hate the new net dev naming scheme |
| 20:26.46 | jhutchins | I think RedHat patched it back to the 2.6.32 kernels a couple of years ago, so it's no surprise if it's finally showing up in Debian. |
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| 20:27.24 | jhutchins | rattking: It really helps a lot when you have multiple buses. |
| 20:27.56 | jhutchins | rattking: Not because it helps to know which bus, but because it makes the names consistent. |
| 20:28.08 | greycat | My jessie boxes all have eth0 etc. So, dunno if q-bert is on post-jessie, or configured some knob in systemd. |
| 20:28.24 | jhutchins | (Not sure why mapping MAC addresses didn't work better.) |
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| 20:28.40 | rattking | I have a bunch of scripts that ifconfig things for various reasons that will all break when I upgrade |
| 20:28.48 | greycat | I like how https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ says you have 4 options, then gives you 1, 2, 3. |
| 20:29.25 | jhutchins | rattking: I'm not sure (because it's been a couple years), but I think there's an option to preserve the old notation, and of course it doesn't happen if you only have one bus. |
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| 20:30.07 | rattking | nice. I will read that freedesktop link above a bit before complaining any more :) |
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| 20:36.16 | jhutchins | rattking: Yes, that does seem to explain it nicely. |
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| 20:42.25 | ggfref | hello |
| 20:42.57 | ggfref | installed debian unstable on a laptop with skylake. everythings fine execpt video. its really slow |
| 20:43.02 | ggfref | what could be the problem? |
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| 20:44.18 | eatingthenight | Am i just missing this information or is almost 0 information available on actually making your own debian package. Sure you can use a bunch of tooling to pull down build and modify existing packages however building your own seems to be some close secret. |
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| 20:44.49 | eatingthenight | gbp works decent for building your own but would be nice to find an article that just did it using the default tools |
| 20:44.55 | eatingthenight | not with a bunch of magic |
| 20:45.41 | jhutchins | eatingthenight: I know there's a lot of good info out there; I don't know if it's what you're looking for. |
| 20:46.02 | teraflops | ggfref: the problem is intel itself and the shitty support |
| 20:46.04 | jhutchins | eatingthenight: You might try #debian-mentors on oftc.net |
| 20:46.17 | ggfref | teraflops: i see. |
| 20:46.26 | ggfref | but how to get the video smooth ? |
| 20:46.48 | jhutchins | ggfref: Track down your chipset and see if you can find a better driver for it. |
| 20:47.58 | ggfref | jhutchins: the chipset is HD Graphics 520. is ther a better driver than the one that comes via the repo? |
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| 20:49.33 | towo` | ggfref, backports |
| 20:50.03 | greycat | The jessie-backports intel video driver is recommended for a lot of chipsets, I hear. |
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| 20:50.31 | greycat | apt-get -t jessie-backports xserver-xorg-video-intel (after doing all the setup for backports) |
| 20:50.38 | ggfref | towo`: is there a backport repository for unstable? |
| 20:50.43 | towo` | no |
| 20:50.57 | ggfref | so i use the latest one alreasy |
| 20:50.57 | greycat | Um, what? If you're on unstable, you don't belong here anyway. |
| 20:51.04 | ggfref | ok |
| 20:51.10 | ggfref | sry |
| 20:51.12 | towo` | on unstable i would give modeset a try |
| 20:51.24 | ggfref | how you mean? |
| 20:51.28 | towo` | for newer intel chipsets its sometimes the better driver |
| 20:51.38 | ggfref | in the grub config? |
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| 20:51.57 | towo` | but as i se now from your earlyer words |
| 20:52.05 | towo` | have you installed the firmware? |
| 20:52.10 | ggfref | yes |
| 20:52.35 | towo` | sure? |
| 20:52.44 | towo` | i don't see it in your statements |
| 20:52.49 | ggfref | you mean firmware-linux-free and non-free? |
| 20:52.54 | towo` | ggfref, no |
| 20:53.05 | towo` | i mean firmware-linux-misc |
| 20:53.52 | towo` | firmware-misc-nonfree |
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| 20:54.10 | towo` | that's the package which contains the skylake firmware |
| 20:54.22 | towo` | but as i read often, i would not use the intel ddx |
| 20:54.22 | ggfref | this is installed |
| 20:54.26 | myself_ | Hi, I use dual boot with osx. My Debian partition was way small. So I made a dmg image of it, resized the partition and put it back using dd. It worked. But now the system only accesses to the extent where the image reached, it doesn't "see" the rest of the partition, although it appears in gparted. What do I do? Now I'm trying to resize the image in osx to the exact size of the partition, in order to solve this problem, but I |
| 20:54.26 | myself_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.47 | towo` | ggfref, apt purge xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 20:54.48 | ggfref | vlc lags badly and totem cannot play it at all |
| 20:55.05 | towo` | ggfref, then reboot |
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| 20:55.24 | ggfref | ok, will try and report. thanks |
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| 20:55.34 | towo` | ggfref, but for better tipps, you could paste your x-log |
| 20:55.50 | eatingthenight | @jhutchins i went and asked in debian mentors and they said they only help people who are looking to support already existing deb packages |
| 20:55.53 | towo` | and maybe a dmesg | grep i915 |
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| 20:56.15 | eatingthenight | jhutchins: not on twitter :> |
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| 20:58.31 | Scotteh | outstanding |
| 20:58.47 | bazhang | why do I get a highlight |
| 20:58.57 | KNERD | spammers |
| 20:58.59 | tinnotl | wow.. |
| 20:59.00 | greycat | don't even waste time questioning the spambot |
| 20:59.13 | bazhang | did someone stafferize me while I was snoozin |
| 20:59.26 | TomTomTosch | no... |
| 20:59.28 | bazhang | that sounded wrong |
| 20:59.36 | Iridos | it's just random nicks from the channel |
| 20:59.39 | ggfref | towo`: thanks for that tip! |
| 20:59.41 | Iridos | and best ignored |
| 20:59.48 | bazhang | yeah |
| 20:59.51 | ggfref | apt purge xserver-xorg-video-intel worked |
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| 21:00.24 | ggfref | you saved me a lot of trouble because i was researching the whole day |
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| 21:02.34 | eatingthenight | detha: don't bring that in here |
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| 21:03.03 | eatingthenight | ops, guess they already left. didn't mean to autocomplete to detha |
| 21:03.15 | greycat | Don't respond to the spambot either. |
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| 21:06.17 | q-bert | jhutchins: thanks for explaining that |
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| 21:06.37 | q-bert | it was tripping me up in terms of muscle memory :-) |
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| 21:12.21 | Rurd2di | im so sick of the spam |
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| 21:16.33 | antena-cli | One cellphone was charging in my computer. I changed it for a digital camera and nothing was mounted. I put the cellphone back and it was not mounted too. I tried the camera again and nothing. I put another cellphone and nothing was mounted. What is going on and how to solve this? |
| 21:17.14 | greycat | Did you *expect* anything to be auto-mounted? |
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| 21:17.32 | antena-cli | greycat: It was auto-mounting before. |
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| 21:18.07 | greycat | OK, must be a desktop environment thing. Check dmesg to see what the kernel thinks about these devices, and check your desktop environment logs about its attempts to automount things (if applicable). |
| 21:18.24 | greycat | obviously the kernel has to report a successful device before the automounting has a chance |
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| 21:21.32 | antena-cli | The only think in /var/log/dmesg is: (Nothing has been logged yet.) |
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| 21:22.11 | greycat | run the command "dmesg" |
| 21:22.16 | jonathan_zz | Can someone tell me why.... I have a volume where df reports 25G used but du -hcs returns only 14GB? Is this even possible? Would I have to fsck? |
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| 21:22.36 | greycat | jonathan_zz: is it on a file system that includes large log files that you unlinked with "rm"? |
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| 21:22.59 | jonathan_zz | greycat: it is a data store for owncloud. |
| 21:23.19 | jonathan_zz | greycat: there may be large files unliked that way. |
| 21:23.24 | jonathan_zz | unlinked |
| 21:23.29 | greycat | Then you need to kill the processes that have them opened. |
| 21:23.58 | greycat | In the future, when trying to free space occupied by large log files, DO NOT rm them. Truncate their content with a redirection. |
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| 21:24.02 | greycat | > filename |
| 21:24.06 | greycat | That nukes the content to 0 bytes. |
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| 21:24.52 | wewlad | hello debs, where do I need to download pub and private keys to so that native ssh client would hook them? |
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| 21:26.32 | antena-cli | greycat: The cellphone is the only Samsung thing I have in this computer. https://paste.debian.net/423268/ |
| 21:26.38 | wewlad | > greycat: In the future, when trying to free space occupied by large log files, DO NOT rm them. |
| 21:26.38 | wewlad | wait, so I should empty files before deleting them? |
| 21:27.29 | greycat | Only if you suspect they are still being written. Log files. |
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| 21:27.50 | greycat | Log files are traditionally kept open indefinitely by a daemon. So the file's space is never released. |
| 21:29.07 | wewlad | is there a way to check if a file is being hooked by a daemon? |
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| 21:29.44 | greycat | If the file still exists, lsof filename |
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| 21:30.04 | greycat | If the file has been unlinked, I guess there is some way to have lsof report EVERYTHING and then look for unlinked files.... |
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| 21:30.48 | wewlad | thx |
| 21:30.52 | wewlad | good to know |
| 21:30.56 | greycat | ah here it is: lsof +aL1 |
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| 21:33.04 | jonathan_zz | greycat: thanks I found it. |
| 21:33.19 | jonathan_zz | greycat: a mounted truecrypt of which the 'host' file was deleted. |
| 21:33.23 | wewlad | greycat: man lsof doesn't know about '+a' |
| 21:33.50 | greycat | \+aL1 because + is being interpreted by less |
| 21:34.05 | jonathan_zz | boom free |
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| 21:34.51 | jonathan_zz | lsof showed me |
| 21:35.01 | jonathan_zz | without any params, just on the dir of the volume |
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| 21:35.16 | greycat | Cool. I don't pretend to know all of its options. |
| 21:35.24 | jonathan_zz | well hasn't this been confusing :p :). |
| 21:35.31 | greycat | Hopefully educational. |
| 21:35.44 | jonathan_zz | I thought 25G was in use, I make a backup (just tar) it is only 14G |
| 21:35.48 | jonathan_zz | I'm like HUH |
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| 21:47.41 | antena-cli | Somebody, help! I don't want to reinstall the whole system again. |
| 21:48.03 | wewlad | so where do I need to download pub and private keys to so that native ssh client would hook them? |
| 21:48.45 | wewlad | to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys? |
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| 21:51.50 | gobelin789 | Hello! Is there any way to get rid of xscreensaver's 'This version is very old!' message beside downloading the newest version from a (unstable) repo and installing it? |
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| 21:52.29 | wewlad | I would appreciate if anyone would explain the concept of ssh keys to me |
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| 21:57.08 | frostschutz | wewlad, why copy private keys if your client doesn't have one, generate one, then authorize it |
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| 21:58.25 | wewlad | frostschutz: I don't fully understand the concept of ssh, so I might be doing dumb things, please correct me where I'm wrong. I've just bought a hosting that provides ssh access, I generated pub+private keys there + some password. |
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| 22:00.35 | markybob | wewlad: https://www.howtoforge.com/set-up-ssh-with-public-key-authentication-debian-etch it's etch but it's still valid and good |
| 22:00.39 | frostschutz | wewlad, I'm sure this is explained on a hundred wiki/blogs better than I could |
| 22:00.43 | markybob | ssh doesn't really change :P |
| 22:01.11 | frostschutz | just if you copy private keys around they may no longer be really private... usually each client generates their own key and then you just copy the pub key (ssh-copy-id user@host or manually) |
| 22:01.14 | wewlad | now I used my debian box to connect to that hosting by ssh (without importing anything), upon connecting it said that 'the authenticity of host blabla can't be established, rsa key fingerprint is ab:23:..:3d and asked me whether I'm sure I want to connect, I wrote 'yes' and it warned that permanently added blabla (rsa) to the list of known hosts, and asked for the password. I typed-in that password I generated and it doesn't let me in. |
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| 22:01.49 | markybob | wewlad: why are you using keys with passwords? |
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| 22:02.04 | wewlad | because the gui prompted to generate a password |
| 22:02.08 | frostschutz | it's probably asking you for regular password authentication, not using your key |
| 22:02.28 | markybob | wewlad: well fuck the gui. follow the guide i gave you |
| 22:02.36 | wewlad | that's what confused me: why a password if the key itself should be a password |
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| 22:02.52 | frostschutz | wewlad, what's the exact message? Enter passphrase for key `/path/to/id_rsa`: or similar? |
| 22:03.49 | wewlad | frostschutz: no, it's 'username@hostname's password:' |
| 22:04.09 | frostschutz | wewlad, ssh will refuse to use keys if they're not in the correct location / don't have the correct permissions. if your .ssh dir or keyfile has the wrong owner, or world readable permissions, it won't work |
| 22:04.22 | frostschutz | wewlad, you're not using a key then |
| 22:04.31 | wewlad | frostschutz: I didn't copy anything |
| 22:04.39 | TomTomTosch | gobelin789, i've seen a patch somewhere in the BTS. |
| 22:04.50 | wewlad | I just typed ssh mylogin@myHostingserverIP |
| 22:04.53 | markybob | wewlad: follow the guide. please. |
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| 22:05.19 | frostschutz | ssh -vvv might also be more informative, as would be the server sshd logs if you had access to em |
| 22:05.38 | markybob | fuck it. i give up |
| 22:06.20 | TomTomTosch | gobelin789, here >>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703 |
| 22:06.22 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/819703 in xscreensaver (open, patch, upstream): «xscreensaver: please disable "This version of XScreenSaver is very old! Please upgrade!" message»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-04-01; last modified: 2016-04-01. |
| 22:06.58 | TomTomTosch | gobelin789, not sure if it works. maintainer seems to be no help. |
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| 22:08.02 | gobelin789 | TomTomTosch, ah thanks. I'll try it out |
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| 22:09.23 | TomTomTosch | gobelin789, i hope you'll report back then. would be interesting to know if we can recommend this. ;D |
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| 22:11.02 | wewlad | weird shit, turns out I just needed to use my hosting's password |
| 22:11.23 | wewlad | no need to create any keys, no need for extra passwords... |
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| 22:16.14 | markybob | wow |
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| 22:18.49 | frostschutz | wewlad, if you want to stick to regular passwords, make sure it's a good one ;) |
| 22:19.26 | wewlad | wait, I'm less secure if I use password instead of keys? |
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| 22:20.02 | wewlad | I think I'll follow markybob's tutorial then |
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| 22:20.55 | nander | Hi |
| 22:21.07 | nander | Does anyone know how to install debian on a computer with a modern (Nvidia 970) graphics card? |
| 22:21.26 | gobelin789 | TomTomTosch, well, there's a lot of complaining about this (annoying) message and the author seems not to lift a finger to fix it. The simplest solution for me was to download a newer version of xscreensaver and install it. Not the Debian way...but now I got rid of this inappropriate message. Thanks for the link :) |
| 22:21.28 | nander | It felll back to an ancient resolution |
| 22:21.45 | vook | !nvidia |
| 22:21.45 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:22.14 | nander | I found those links, they aren't working for my setup |
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| 22:22.41 | nander | Using recommended settings ended for me with a not-working installation and an attempt installing Ubuntu, which interestingly also failed |
| 22:22.56 | nander | It seems linux support for Nvidia 9xx graphics cards is really poor |
| 22:23.06 | vook | If I couldn't get that to work, I'd go the unsupported route, which consequently cannot be discussed here... |
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| 22:24.10 | nander | sighs |
| 22:24.34 | vook | thems the rules |
| 22:24.35 | nander | All I want is a tidy OS with a package manager and a tiling window manager |
| 22:24.55 | nander | If windows had a 10% more open approach I would have been fine with it |
| 22:25.09 | nander | But no, you get an atrocious window manager and no way to fix it |
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| 22:26.38 | vook | really, the unsupported method usually works, you can just go to the vendor website. Packages won't auto update and a new kernel will break X, but as long as you are prepared for that (and the debian methods don't work), may as well try. |
| 22:27.15 | TomTomTosch | i would try the one packaged in debian first. |
| 22:27.25 | vook | I think nander already tried that |
| 22:27.46 | nander | You mean the nouveau one or the nvidia one? |
| 22:27.52 | vook | nander, you could look into backports, they may have a more recent version of the module that supports your card. |
| 22:28.14 | nander | I tried the one in non-free |
| 22:28.27 | vook | !backports |
| 22:28.28 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 22:29.14 | wewlad | markybob: hey, is that your guide or not? |
| 22:29.33 | nander | I'll need to reinstall my debian anyway, it's incredibly broken |
| 22:29.37 | markybob | wewlad: i didn't write it, no. but it's correct in everything it says |
| 22:29.46 | nander | My bios skips to windows after a minute of waiting |
| 22:30.00 | markybob | wewlad: why is your tone attacking now? wtf? |
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| 22:31.30 | wewlad | markybob: my tone is attacking? :) no, man, it's just an opener for further questions I hope you'll answer :) the explanation there is a bit confusing to me: after the 'ssh-keygen -t â¦' command I'm asked to enter the passphrase (optional) - is that equal to setting a password to the key files? |
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| 22:32.23 | markybob | wewlad: you won't need to enter a password to ssh in. you use this to help with encryption of the key. it is a bit confusing i guess |
| 22:32.35 | wewlad | so do I need a passphrase? |
| 22:32.50 | vook | I usually just hit enter through that, no passphrase |
| 22:32.52 | markybob | wewlad: enter a passphrase |
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| 22:34.19 | wewlad | markybob: also about the '-C "â¦"' part: what is that comment for? for this machine I'm typing all that on or for the target server I intend to connect to? Sorry, I'm a total dumbo. |
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| 22:35.00 | markybob | wewlad: doesn't really matter at all. put in your email address |
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| 22:37.18 | wewlad | markybob: I'm usually su'ed, but I feel like I'd better create the keys from under a plain user, not root. Right? |
| 22:37.36 | markybob | wewlad: correct. normal user |
| 22:38.11 | wewlad | but if I do so - I'd probably need to copy /user/.ssh/id_rsa to /root/.ssh/id_rsa so that I could connect from under su, right? |
| 22:38.40 | wewlad | [I wish someone would create very detailed guides for dumbtards like me] |
| 22:38.53 | markybob | wewlad: no. you connect as regular user and then sudo or su after connecting. dont mess with /root/.ssh |
| 22:39.21 | wewlad | markybob: I'll connect to the shared hosting, I doubt they grant root access there |
| 22:40.30 | markybob | wewlad: the only other thing you'll probably need to do is add yourself to sudo group or visudo. if you don't want to su all the time |
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| 22:40.46 | wewlad | I prefer su over sudo |
| 22:41.37 | wewlad | also, where to specify the length of the key? what's the default one? |
| 22:42.06 | markybob | default is 2048 |
| 22:42.07 | TomTomTosch | 2048 iirc. it asks you while you generate it. |
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| 22:43.02 | markybob | smoke break |
| 22:44.05 | vook | I think you're overthinking this wewlad, you can just 'ssh-keygen' (enter through it), copy ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub (via pasting or scp) to the target, then append or create (on the target host), .ssh/authorized_keys2, adding the contents of id_rsa.pub. |
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| 22:44.54 | vook | as long as perms and ownership are correct, and ssh allows log in with keys, it'll work. |
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| 22:56.34 | jim | whew... I thought I lost the fresh new amd64 jessie I installed yesterday... I didn't, and I'm running it now |
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| 23:16.03 | aer | is there something in debian stopping php from using shell_exec() ? |
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| 23:17.13 | pugfantus | aer : look at your php.ini |
| 23:17.49 | pugfantus | aer: disable_functions =exec,passthru,shell_exec,system,proc_open,popen,curl_exec,curl_multi_exec,parse_ini_file,show_source <-- you'll probably see something like that |
| 23:18.22 | aer | it only lists lots of pcntl ones |
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| 23:18.55 | pugfantus | is safe_mode on? |
| 23:19.04 | pugfantus | ; When safe_mode is on, only executables located in the safe_mode_exec_dir; will be allowed to be executed via the exec family of functions. |
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| 23:20.00 | aer | how do I find out? the ini doesn't mention, and php -c php.ini -i doesn't list anything about safe mode |
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| 23:20.57 | pugfantus | http://php.net/manual/en/features.safe-mode.php |
| 23:21.10 | aer | oh the zend site says it was removed in 5.4. I'm running 5.6 |
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| 23:22.31 | aer | someone on a forum was suggesting that maybe debian chroots and shell_exec might not be able to run any system binaries |
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| 23:23.16 | pugfantus | Warning - This feature has been DEPRECATED as of PHP 5.3.0 and REMOVED as of PHP 5.4.0. <-- ha, I can't read |
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| 23:23.32 | pugfantus | that could be an issue too |
| 23:23.45 | pugfantus | you'd have to move the binaries into the chroot |
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| 23:24.15 | aer | I tried copying /usr/bin/whoami to wwwroot and doing shell_exec("./whoami") but there's no output at all |
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| 23:26.32 | markybob | aer: you should be asking #php |
| 23:26.42 | markybob | ##php to be exact |
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| 23:26.55 | aer | sounded like a debian thing. anyway it's an invite only channel or something |
| 23:27.11 | markybob | aer: no it's not. if you do ##php |
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| 23:27.41 | aer | wants me to register the nick. meh. think I'll just continue googling :) |
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| 23:28.08 | markybob | sure. registering a nick is terrible |
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| 23:28.21 | aer | spot on |
| 23:33.31 | wewlad | markybob: that concept doesn't work for me :( |
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| 23:34.38 | wewlad | your guide says I need to import only public key to the other side, but the gui suggest to import only the pair(priv(+passphrase)+pub) at once |
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| 23:36.26 | TomTomTosch | there is a gui for doing this? |
| 23:36.34 | markybob | wewlad: i don't know what gui think you keep mentioning so i can't help you |
| 23:36.41 | markybob | thing* |
| 23:36.51 | wewlad | cPanel |
| 23:36.58 | vook | wo |
| 23:37.01 | wewlad | administrator panel for managing hosting |
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| 23:37.15 | markybob | why? when i told you how to do it without it? the right way? |
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| 23:37.35 | wewlad | I got stuck on the scp step: do I need to use regular login+password there? |
| 23:37.43 | markybob | yes |
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| 23:38.12 | vook | you don't even need to scp, you can just copy from one term (id_rsa.pub) and paste into the other (authorized_keys2) |
| 23:38.49 | freq | ahah |
| 23:38.54 | wewlad | scp is secure copy, id_rsa.pub is the local file with public key, the source of copy, but what will be the destination of the copy? |
| 23:39.15 | freq | new take on distros: https://github.com/301linux/301 |
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| 23:40.02 | jmcnaught | wewlad: you can use "ssh-copy-id" to copy the public key to the server. For example "ssh-copy-id username@example.com". It will ask for your login password, copy the key and tell you to try connecting over SSH again (which shouldn't ask for a password this time) |
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| 23:41.05 | wewlad | jmcnaught: copy where? |
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| 23:41.55 | wewlad | I don't own the server, I only have access to some space there, so when you say copy to server - please provide the correct path |
| 23:42.07 | vook | wewlad: there, it's majick - ssh-copy-id yourusername@targethost |
| 23:42.17 | wewlad | or is ~/.ssh/ is the globally assumed default dir? |
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| 23:42.50 | jmcnaught | wewlad: you have an account on the server right? |
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| 23:43.09 | wewlad | yes |
| 23:43.16 | freq | pew pew pew |
| 23:43.47 | jmcnaught | wewlad: you can log into the server with a password? Your user on the server has a home directory. In that home directory is a .ssh directory, with a file called authorized_keys. The public keys listed in that file are allowed to log in for that user. |
| 23:44.52 | jim | the usuall thing is to textually append the public key to that file |
| 23:45.05 | jmcnaught | wewlad: ssh-copy-id (which has a man page) merely automates the process of copying your SSH public key to the /home/username/.ssh/authorized_keys file |
| 23:45.05 | wewlad | what's the difference between authorized_keys and authorized_keys2? |
| 23:45.23 | jim | 2? |
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| 23:45.41 | vook | ssh version perhaps? |
| 23:45.57 | vook | I think they're generally interchangable |
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| 23:46.17 | jmcnaught | wewlad: sounds like a non-Debian thing, or the result of a typo. there's also a man page for "authorized_keys", and the ssh command too |
| 23:46.49 | vook | apparently authorized_keys2 is deprecated, but still functional... |
| 23:47.01 | jmcnaught | hmm... i guess "man authorized_keys" is just the man page for sshd, but still illumating |
| 23:47.02 | vook | wow, since 2001. |
| 23:48.20 | wewlad | seems like markybob's tutorial worked, but now I have to write-in pass-phrase each time, since both my regular account password and passphrase are randomly generated symbols - for me the connection looks the same way, so what's the gain? is it secure this way when I use keys+passphrase instead of account's login+password? |
| 23:49.00 | wewlad | is it more secure this way* |
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| 23:49.17 | TomTomTosch | it makes sure that the correct human is using the key. |
| 23:49.37 | jmcnaught | wewlad: you can put a passphrase on an SSH key, or not (it's optional). You can also use ssh-agent to keep the passphrase in memory, so you only have to type it once per session. Also consider using a password manager like Keepassx |
| 23:49.37 | wewlad | nno |
| 23:50.21 | wewlad | passwordopocalypse |
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| 23:50.48 | TomTomTosch | but... we told you that you don't need to add a password... |
| 23:51.04 | wewlad | markybob said I should use passphrase :D |
| 23:51.15 | wewlad | I wish I could at least paste it |
| 23:51.37 | wewlad | oh, wait, I can! |
| 23:51.38 | TomTomTosch | redo it... it takes one minute. |
| 23:52.52 | freq | i always make my pass "assword" |
| 23:52.58 | freq | even here on freenode |
| 23:53.08 | wewlad | how do I transfer files localPC>remoteSSH when I'm logged into ssh? |
| 23:53.17 | cafuego | it's too easy to guess, I use 'asswordpay' |
| 23:53.25 | freq | oh cool |
| 23:53.31 | vook | zmodem |
| 23:53.43 | vook | kidding, but it actually does work. |
| 23:53.52 | cafuego | wewlad: easiest would be to just use scp |
| 23:53.54 | wewlad | I know how to use scp |
| 23:54.00 | jmcnaught | wewlad: use sftp if the server supports it, or scp (which has syntax very similar to cp) |
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| 23:54.35 | wewlad | does scp work from the state when I'm logged into ssh? |
| 23:55.17 | jmcnaught | wewlad: you probably want to use it from the client computer. sometihng like "scp somefile username@example.com:/destination/path" |
| 23:55.17 | cafuego | wewlad: it will create a new connection |
| 23:55.47 | cafuego | wewlad: But, it uses the ssh agent for authentication, so you needn't re-enter passwords etc. |
| 23:56.07 | wewlad | jmcnaught: that works outside of ssh-session, I'm asking for a way to send files to the ssh server when I'm already connected |
| 23:56.33 | wewlad | I'd like to escape retyping the ssh.key's password again and again |
| 23:56.49 | TomTomTosch | wewlad, no. |
| 23:56.50 | wewlad | I'd like to log into ssh once and do the damn file operations back and forward! |
| 23:56.53 | jmcnaught | wewlad: i think ssh-agent has been mentioned a few times already |
| 23:56.59 | cafuego | wewlad: Make sure the ssh agent runs, so you don't have to. |
| 23:56.59 | wewlad | LEEEENOOOOOOKS |
| 23:57.15 | cafuego | wewlad: eval `ssh-agent`; ssh-add [keyfile] |
| 23:57.28 | wewlad | cafuego: what's that? |
| 23:57.30 | TomTomTosch | welad, sshfs. keys withoug pw, ssd-agent. pick one. we told you already. |
| 23:57.44 | cafuego | wewlad: what you should run to stop getting prompted for the key password over and over. |
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| 23:58.19 | wewlad | cafuego: okay, could you explain how exactly your command works? I'm not familiar with eval |
| 23:58.48 | wewlad | I'm asking because 'man eval' says 'No manual entry for eval' |
| 23:58.57 | vook | its a builtin |
| 23:59.05 | wewlad | builtintowhat |
| 23:59.11 | cafuego | wewlad: eval makes the shell execute whatever follows. In this case, the output of 'ssh-agent'. The output of ssh-agent is a string with an env var. |
| 23:59.23 | wewlad | is that a reason enough to not have a man for it? |
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| 23:59.29 | cafuego | wewlad: So here, that command will set an env var in your shell. |
| 23:59.37 | cafuego | wewlad: man bash; /eval |
| 23:59.43 | vook | is a bash-builtin |
