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| 00:00.05 | wewlad | thx |
| 00:00.32 | cafuego | It sets a socket, on which any ssh agent aware apps can talk to the agent about getting access to the private key |
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| 00:01.24 | wewlad | from time to time I wonder how you all guys learned all that stuff, that's VERY non-obvious and confusing from time to time and look at me: it's not like I'm trying to do some rocket science, but I'm trying to do some really basic stuff |
| 00:01.41 | cafuego | wewlad: time. |
| 00:01.45 | cafuego | wewlad: Allit takes is time. |
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| 00:02.06 | cafuego | started with this (not ssh though) over 20 years ago. |
| 00:02.34 | cafuego | And if you do it over and over, after 20 eyars you just know. |
| 00:02.56 | wewlad | cafuego: damn I usually forget stuff I just learned, because in linux world it's not like you go from easy stuff to more complex, you instantly get into all-ways-are-complex position |
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| 00:03.19 | wewlad | so I make notes about everything I learned |
| 00:03.46 | cafuego | I sued to do that to |
| 00:03.53 | cafuego | Then I stopped needing my notes |
| 00:04.03 | cafuego | Then I wrote a book about it :-) |
| 00:04.29 | s00pcan | I have a huge amount of notes, they don't do much |
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| 00:04.47 | wewlad | well, my notes saved my ass multiple times |
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| 00:05.00 | cafuego | Well nowadays you don't really need notes, just google + bookmarks and/or stackexchange. |
| 00:05.12 | wewlad | because ctrl+f'ing through them is the shortest way to find a solution for the problem you once solved |
| 00:05.15 | s00pcan | 71080 lines in my notes file (78char width) |
| 00:05.24 | wewlad | google usually returns crap |
| 00:05.35 | s00pcan | I wrote like 4000 words today |
| 00:05.58 | cafuego | s00pcan: That's one chapter. 14 days to go and you got a book ;-) |
| 00:06.01 | vook | wewlad: google can be pretty spot on if you get really good at creating queries |
| 00:06.30 | jmcnaught | on the other hand there's a lot of bad and/or outdated advice on the web |
| 00:06.37 | cafuego | Yeh, don't ask it for "omg i need to copy files" |
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| 00:06.57 | wewlad | because it's either a 100000 words manual (DAMNIT, I JUST NEED THE FUCKING SOLUTION, NOT TO LEARN HOW TO THE WHOLE WORLD WORKS) or vice-versa: a short code you are supposed to run without basic explanation of what it does, so it's trust&try |
| 00:07.01 | s00pcan | google does searches by "last year", or month, week, wahtever. |
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| 00:07.24 | wewlad | + lots of solutions are for different linux |
| 00:07.42 | cafuego | that's usually just about config file locations |
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| 00:09.21 | s00pcan | I'm getting better results as the years go on by searching man pages instead of websites, but ocassionally there is something like http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1251999/how-can-i-replace-a-newline-n-using-sed |
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| 00:10.45 | s00pcan | great, my headphones are finally starting to break inside the connector |
| 00:10.57 | wewlad | s00pcan: yeah, and then you go deep into details like what's the difference between those solutions? |
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| 00:11.04 | wewlad | which one to pick? |
| 00:11.32 | TomTomTosch | whatever works for you is fine. |
| 00:11.33 | wewlad | did it really worked the way I wanted or did it also do something wrong that I didn't notice (yet)? |
| 00:11.50 | s00pcan | wewlad: depends how determined you are in doing whatever it is that you actually want to be doing |
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| 00:12.18 | vook | just them out and see if they work. A good example, your question earlier about authorized_keys and authorized_keys2, just "authorized_keys2 vs authorized_keys", top hit. |
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| 00:12.49 | s00pcan | apparently I was needing it for zsh array munging: functions.d/choose_shows.zsh:16: shows=$(redis-cli keys 'playlist:*' | sed -e 's/playlist://g' | sort) |
| 00:13.06 | s00pcan | or something around that |
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| 00:13.39 | markybob | okay let's get back on topic. this is getting distracting. |
| 00:13.41 | wewlad | btw I thought you guys suggested some 3rd party utils when you mentioned 'ssh-agent' and 'ssh-add', but turns out it's preinstalled |
| 00:14.33 | wewlad | as well as 'ssh-copy-id' |
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| 00:16.52 | jmcnaught | wewlad: ssh-add, ssh-agent, ssh-copy-id are all in the same openssh-client package as the ssh command. |
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| 00:18.18 | wewlad | for my notes: could anyone, please, confirm that 'ssh-copy-id user@host' is equal to manually connecting to the ssh server uploading the id_rsa.pub to ~/.ssh there, then copying id_rsa.pub's contents to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys there? |
| 00:18.27 | cafuego | wewlad: yep |
| 00:18.38 | jmcnaught | wewlad: read the man pages :) |
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| 00:24.02 | s00pcan | that's exactly what it does |
| 00:25.00 | s00pcan | more like read the source; it's #!/bin/sh |
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| 00:26.12 | wewlad | read sources in binary |
| 00:26.14 | wewlad | 010101000010 |
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| 00:26.53 | cafuego | that won't work, you'll need 010101001110 |
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| 00:32.51 | wewlad | I hate mans, I hate that they don't start up right with an example of how that command is used. Just the most general usage. |
| 00:33.20 | cafuego | wewlad: Examples are at the bottom, usually. shift-G to jump to the end. |
| 00:33.45 | wewlad | there should be some plugin for manual pages that dims manual parts based on their importance |
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| 00:35.16 | wewlad | cafuego: 'man scp' > shift+G > 0 examples |
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| 00:35.57 | wewlad | in most cases people don't use any flags in scp, thus they should have .opacity set to 0.05 |
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| 00:39.50 | wewlad | what if I work with 2 ssh servers? do I need to set up ssh-agent for each of them? will it work? |
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| 00:40.58 | wewlad | is there a way to 'push' ssh-agent to the bottom of the session, so that I wouldn't need to reboot the OS if I want all the programs to hook up to ssh-agent's session? |
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| 00:42.15 | wewlad | how often do I need to retype passphrase if I use ssh-agent? each time I start it using 'eval `ssh-agent`; ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa' or is that command not supposed to be executed each session but rather just once per key? |
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| 00:43.19 | wewlad | cafuego: hey, could you answer to any of that ^ ? Unanswered questions mentally piss me off. |
| 00:43.38 | wewlad | that's another question, isn't it? |
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| 00:47.10 | allorder | wewlad: be cool |
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| 00:51.19 | cafuego | wut? |
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| 00:51.41 | wewlad | cafuego: I started up ssh-agent |
| 00:51.49 | cafuego | Yeh |
| 00:52.00 | wewlad | I switch to the previous tab in 'Konsole' and ssh there still asks passphrase |
| 00:52.04 | wewlad | because unix |
| 00:52.15 | cafuego | Yeh |
| 00:52.22 | wewlad | the change works for child processes, not for all |
| 00:52.37 | cafuego | So you need to start theagent frpom the logins ession, that will make each child inherit the env. |
| 00:52.41 | wewlad | so how do I 'push' the change so that it would affect all? |
| 00:52.50 | cafuego | I'm sure that KDE would have a helper for that. |
| 00:52.55 | wewlad | cafuego: that requires a restart |
| 00:53.05 | cafuego | Yes, you cannot do this after the fact. |
| 00:53.10 | wewlad | >:( |
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| 00:53.30 | wewlad | okay. how does ssh-agent work with multiple keys for multiple servers? |
| 00:53.43 | wewlad | does it play cool or do I need to start a bunch of them? |
| 00:54.00 | cafuego | You can add any number of keys to the agent |
| 00:54.18 | wewlad | so it's a single manager for multiple keys, right? |
| 00:54.19 | cafuego | However, there really is no need to make a new private key for each server you connect to. |
| 00:54.36 | wewlad | no, there actually is such a need |
| 00:54.58 | wewlad | because default ssh's config is vulnerable to the 'scan visited hosts' attack |
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| 00:55.30 | cafuego | Just hash the known hosts and throw away the old file. |
| 00:55.31 | wewlad | a site you have keys for will know all the other hosts you have keys for, that's insecure |
| 00:55.48 | wewlad | english, please |
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| 00:56.29 | cafuego | wewlad: The list of previously connected-to servers is not forwarded to each server you connect to. |
| 00:57.01 | wewlad | cafuego: afaik you are wrong, I may ctrl+f my histories to try to find the poc on github |
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| 00:58.29 | FuriousGeorge | hey all |
| 00:58.32 | wewlad | found it. cafuego: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10004678 |
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| 01:00.10 | cafuego | wewlad: I don't think that emans what you think it means. |
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| 01:01.30 | FuriousGeorge | i have a dps. it had a problem reinstalling the os i selected, so the onsite tech did it manually. as a result i have lvm on /. that's great cuz their "custum" version of the distro i can install from cpanel does not, so i cannot resize disks, add partitions etc |
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| 01:01.43 | wewlad | I don't think you are correct in your judgment, but okay. |
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| 01:02.00 | FuriousGeorge | so im worried im gonna lock myself out again |
| 01:02.08 | markybob | wewlad: he is right |
| 01:02.33 | FuriousGeorge | is there any way i can back up this good partition table and restore it onto a live server safely? |
| 01:02.37 | cafuego | wewlad: it sends keys, for authentication, not ~/.ssh/known_hosts. |
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| 01:02.39 | FuriousGeorge | in case i do lock myself out? |
| 01:02.55 | cafuego | wewlad: If you have a key per host, it *can* send all those keys. |
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| 01:03.10 | cafuego | wewlad: You can set an IdentifyFile for a given host in ~/.ssh/config to avoid that. |
| 01:03.21 | cafuego | wewlad: Or, if you have a single key, the point is moot. |
| 01:03.22 | wewlad | cafuego: I know it from that article |
| 01:03.31 | jmcnaught | wewlad: sounds like this is easily mitigated by using a specific key for github and only github (and configuring this in ~/.ssh/config). This only works because github has a lot of people's ssh public keys, and apparently they're searchable with an API |
| 01:03.57 | wewlad | jmcnaught: that's exactly how it works |
| 01:04.06 | wewlad | and it is explained by that link I gave |
| 01:04.18 | cafuego | wewlad: It still has nothing to do with your known_hosts file. |
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| 01:04.56 | wewlad | cafuego: I quote: "When it tries to authenticate via public key, ssh sends the server all your public keys, one by one, until the server accepts one. One can take advantage of this to enumerate all the client's installed public keys." |
| 01:05.06 | cafuego | wewlad: It still has nothing to do with your known_hosts file. |
| 01:05.27 | jmcnaught | wewlad: anyways, there's nothing wrong with using multiple keys, it just gets more complex for you to manage. i tend to have unique keys for portable devices, so i can remove that key from authorized_keys files if that device is lost. |
| 01:05.35 | cafuego | wewlad: And the keys do NOT include any information about what host you're using them for, unless you name them accordingly. |
| 01:05.46 | wewlad | yeah, but based on your pub keys it already is potentially deducible to what hosts you visited |
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| 01:07.06 | wewlad | cafuego: that's exactly how people usually distinguish multiple keys: they rename it to github_id_rsa, etc |
| 01:07.12 | wewlad | or add comments to the keys |
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| 01:07.39 | cafuego | wewlad: Well that's very silly if they do this specifically to avoid this problem. |
| 01:08.15 | wewlad | okay |
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| 01:09.26 | cafuego | Anyway, the thing you need, apparently, is KDE Wallet. |
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| 01:09.43 | wewlad | yeah, I should probably start using it |
| 01:10.04 | cafuego | If you're worry about the key names, symlink them as 1, 2, 3, 4 and add those symlinks to the agent. |
| 01:10.06 | wewlad | because even that icefirefox browser relies on it as master pass :( |
| 01:10.39 | wewlad | cafuego: should I worry? do you do so? |
| 01:10.47 | cafuego | I don't worry. |
| 01:10.52 | wewlad | does scp show any progressbar at all? |
| 01:10.57 | wewlad | >:[ |
| 01:11.06 | cafuego | Got plenty of more important things to worry about, if I were a worryer. |
| 01:11.23 | cafuego | wewlad: scp doesn't show a bar, it does show progress. |
| 01:11.35 | wewlad | cafuego: does it? |
| 01:11.47 | cafuego | Well, mine does. |
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| 01:12.18 | wewlad | then it probably just stalled for me, because it doesn't show anything for me ("scp -rf /local/folder remotelogin@remotehost:www/") |
| 01:13.03 | cafuego | what is that '-f' supposed to do? |
| 01:13.23 | wewlad | 'let the force be with you' |
| 01:13.28 | wewlad | from the 'man cp' |
| 01:13.50 | cafuego | Yeah look, man cp' is not 'man scp'. |
| 01:14.12 | wewlad | but everyone says they are nearly the same, the one is just using ssh |
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| 01:14.45 | cafuego | ethanol and methanol are nearly the same too |
| 01:14.49 | cafuego | only one makes you blind |
| 01:14.56 | cafuego | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 01:15.03 | wewlad | not if you drink them both in the 1:1 proportion |
| 01:15.06 | dvs | and one makes you love blind |
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| 01:15.26 | wewlad | and again: not if you drink them both in the 1:1 proportion :) |
| 01:15.33 | cafuego | scp -r dir user@host:/somewhere |
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| 01:15.38 | markybob | wewlad: i'm curious as to how you pick and choose who you listen to. if you had followed my guide you would've been done over an hour ago |
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| 01:16.06 | markybob | wewlad: who is this "everyone"? |
| 01:16.09 | wewlad | markybob: I usually flip a 29-sided coin |
| 01:16.12 | cafuego | though personally I usually use rsync for larger dirs, especially if i want a progress report. |
| 01:16.35 | wewlad | markybob: btw, I followed your manual |
| 01:16.49 | cafuego | rsync -a --progress --human-readable ./dir user@host:/somewhere |
| 01:16.52 | wewlad | it's just I'm copying my wordpress site's files to the hosting now |
| 01:17.11 | wewlad | cafuego: did you just type it from the memory?? |
| 01:17.14 | markybob | then yeah, rsync |
| 01:17.15 | cafuego | bites tongue |
| 01:17.24 | cafuego | wewlad: I did |
| 01:17.29 | wewlad | :o |
| 01:17.36 | cafuego | wewlad: I move a lot of data between AWS instances, for work. |
| 01:17.39 | cafuego | I use that a lot. |
| 01:17.54 | wewlad | I got into the land of wizards and markybob asks how I figure out whom to listen to |
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| 01:18.13 | cafuego | Note that rsync treats a traling / on the SOURCE dir as magic. |
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| 01:18.31 | wewlad | also, markybob, why not ssh-copy-id instead of a bunch of commands in your manual? |
| 01:18.38 | cafuego | If it's there, it will copy the CONTENTS of that dir only, not the dir itself. |
| 01:18.55 | cafuego | wewlad: ssh-copy-id isn't available whverwhere. |
| 01:19.04 | markybob | wewlad: there are a million ways to do any single thing on linux/unix. you wanted a guide. i gave you one that works. |
| 01:19.15 | wewlad | okay, accepted |
| 01:19.40 | cafuego | speaking of ethanol |
| 01:19.47 | wewlad | it's just we are on #debian, so I'd think it's okay to assume we all have a basic installation of debian |
| 01:19.52 | wewlad | at least* |
| 01:20.20 | cafuego | wewlad: Maybe. I connect to many debian machines from an OSX host. No ssh-copy-id there. |
| 01:21.23 | wewlad | is running debian in a virtualbox under windows 7 -.- |
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| 01:26.59 | wewlad | I probably shouldn't have uploaded all the files using scp, should've archived them first, transfer the archive and then unpack there |
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| 01:29.07 | markybob | wewlad: permissions? |
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| 01:29.38 | wewlad | markybob: sorry, what do you mean? |
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| 01:29.58 | markybob | wewlad: what went wrong with scp? permissions werent preserved? |
| 01:30.14 | pingfloyd | use -p if that is the problem |
| 01:30.38 | wewlad | pingfloyd: sure, and wait another hour of the upload? :D |
| 01:30.50 | pingfloyd | wewlad: should have read the man page first |
| 01:31.00 | wewlad | markybob: dunno yet, it's just taking sooo long to upload lots of small files |
| 01:31.03 | markybob | wewlad: that's why we suggested rsync. rsync -aP no problem and you get the progress you wanted |
| 01:31.10 | pingfloyd | because using random flags always results in great usage of time |
| 01:31.20 | wewlad | just finished |
| 01:31.21 | wewlad | let's see |
| 01:32.05 | wewlad | wtf |
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| 01:32.51 | wewlad | I'm in my home directory, I type 'ls' and I see 'remoteuser@remotehost' file :-/ |
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| 01:33.18 | pingfloyd | that means you messed up the command |
| 01:33.37 | wewlad | yeah, but at least now I don't have to remember the ip of the remote host xD |
| 01:33.46 | pingfloyd | haha |
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| 01:34.13 | pingfloyd | yeah, I guess that is the silver lining there |
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| 01:35.03 | wewlad | weird though: I type 'remo{tab}{tab}' and it gets into the 'remotestuff/firstmatch' instead of 'remoteuser@remotehost' |
| 01:35.17 | wewlad | I mean weird autocomplete |
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| 01:36.33 | wewlad | the permissions seems to be okay, I guess the hosting provider's servers are fool-proof |
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| 01:56.46 | wewlad | thank you pals, gnight everyone |
| 01:56.47 | wewlad | â« hello, darkness, my old friend â« |
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| 01:58.39 | zykotick9 | juslintek: in what context? my /tmp is part just part my main root filesystem... |
| 01:59.09 | juslintek | found it, vim /etc/fstab /tmp default,size=xsize xunit |
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| 02:54.28 | Akuw | anybody here can help with a mail problem? |
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| 02:56.32 | jmcnaught | Akuw: you won't know if anyone can help you until you ask a detailed question :) |
| 02:56.45 | Akuw | ok |
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| 02:57.29 | Akuw | every time i enable my email address in my mail server i next day i get a lot of spam mails, many, from my own mail address |
| 02:57.41 | Akuw | so i have to delete the address from mail server |
| 02:58.20 | jmcnaught | Akuw: how do you enable the email address? What MTA are you using? Have you taken care to make sure you're not running an open relay? |
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| 02:58.41 | Akuw | i use cpanel of my hosting provider |
| 02:58.59 | Akuw | that happen with only one of mail addresses |
| 02:59.12 | jmcnaught | Akuw: sounds like you might need to contact the support team of your hosting provider |
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| 02:59.24 | Akuw | they can't do nothing |
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| 02:59.38 | Akuw | same happen with the other hosting provider |
| 02:59.54 | Akuw | that happen with one email address only |
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| 03:00.04 | jmcnaught | Akuw: it could also be some buggy PHP blog or CMS software that you're hosting, but it doesn't sound like this is on topic for #debian |
| 03:00.25 | Akuw | what channel can help wth that ? |
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| 03:01.33 | jmcnaught | Akuw: i don't know if there's a cpanel channel, you could look for one or ask in #freenode. |
| 03:02.03 | Akuw | is not related to cpanel |
| 03:03.59 | jmcnaught | Akuw: it's also not related to Debian. Maybe you just need to change your password. Maybe you have malware on your computer, or in your CMS/blog/whatever. Anyways good luck. |
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| 03:04.57 | Akuw | actually is not used in any site |
| 03:05.54 | markybob | Akuw: jmcnaught is right. it's not related to debian. |
| 03:07.28 | Akuw | ok, ok |
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| 03:11.23 | Akuw | https://support.google.com/mail/answer/50200?hl=en |
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| 04:16.50 | nickgaw | Hi, I am trying to change my system after install cpufrequtils to use the performance govner but am not sure what to do to set this up and see the speeds my system can be set at? |
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| 04:18.17 | nickgaw | when I check the cpu information it says it is on the ondamand setting. |
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| 04:21.46 | markybob_ | nickgaw: read the docs. /usr/share/doc/cpufrequtils/ there's a readme and examples |
| 04:22.30 | nickgaw | ok I was going by the information in the debian wiki which is rather old I wll read the docs. |
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| 04:24.20 | nickgaw | One other small issue I have but not sure if you can help me with this or not is I am trying to get speech-dispatcher working with the festival voice synthesizer as I am totally blind but the docs talk about some festival server that is disabled but when I add the information it talks about in the /etc/default/festival and install the package for speech-dispatcher for festival and uncomment the lines I still get no festival server and no speech |
| 04:24.28 | nickgaw | I am on espeak currently. |
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| 04:28.02 | Goddesspapa | Is there a best practice for installing binaries from outside apt (eg VisualStudio Code)? |
| 04:28.47 | Goddesspapa | Specifically wondering what directory to put things in and with what permissions if I intend other users to share them |
| 04:29.19 | markybob_ | Goddesspapa: that's terrible for many reasons, but if it's system-wide, /use/local/bin |
| 04:29.27 | markybob_ | Goddesspapa: otherwise ~/bin |
| 04:29.35 | markybob_ | !dontbreakdebian |
| 04:29.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 04:29.42 | markybob_ | Goddesspapa: read that ^ |
| 04:30.53 | markybob_ | Goddesspapa: i meant /usr/local/bin |
| 04:31.03 | GAM002 | does debian 8.3 jessie support intel hd 530? |
| 04:33.19 | Goddesspapa | Thanks markybob |
| 04:33.26 | markybob_ | GAM002: oh man that's skylake |
| 04:33.27 | jim | you already did :) |
| 04:33.34 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: it looks like there are some instructions in the README.Debian files for the speech-dispatcher and speech-dispatcher-festival files, have you checked those? |
| 04:34.18 | jim | markybob_. is that good? |
| 04:34.26 | markybob_ | GAM002: you need a 4.4 or above kernel for that to be okay |
| 04:34.31 | nickgaw | Are you talking about where you change the run to yes for the festival server? |
| 04:34.37 | markybob_ | jim: it's good...just not on linux |
| 04:34.45 | jim | ahh |
| 04:35.08 | jim | that kernel is not in jessie backports... or is it? |
| 04:35.25 | jim | I guess he could build or backport |
| 04:35.35 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: I only took a quick look, but it seems that festival needs to be started by the user either manually or with a script. If you are using systemd a user service unit might do the trick for you. |
| 04:35.47 | markybob_ | jim: actually jessie-backports just got 4.4. was 4.3 until recently |
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| 04:36.06 | jim | oh, like today? |
| 04:36.30 | markybob_ | jim: i'm guessing two days. my days run into each other :P |
| 04:36.32 | jim | that would be good news for him then :) |
| 04:36.44 | jim | mine too |
| 04:37.09 | jim | they crash against the side wall pretty violently too |
| 04:37.20 | markybob_ | heh, exactly |
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| 04:38.25 | jim | GAM002, so you're getting this hardware no matter what? or you're trying to make a decision? |
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| 04:38.55 | jim | GAM002, so you're getting this hardware no matter what? or you're trying to make a decision? |
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| 04:39.19 | nickgaw | I sent a message to the debian-accessibility list about this issue as this should be documented in the wiki on accessibility. |
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| 04:40.10 | nickgaw | are there any tutorials on writing systemd scripts |
| 04:40.12 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: you're right. it is a wiki, so if you figure out how to get it working on jessie you can update it yourself too. |
| 04:40.38 | jim | markybob_, do you have an idea what the driver (or driver package) is called? |
| 04:40.40 | nickgaw | true but I don't know how to get it working. |
| 04:41.41 | markybob_ | jim: no i don't have it or really looked into it. just read some stuff. in fact 4.4 in skylake has a serious power drain. but it works |
| 04:41.49 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: using a systemd user unit is only one way, but i recommended it because systemd user sessions are run once per user, not once per login. If you are logging into X then you might prefer a different way to start festival and speech-dispatcher. |
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| 04:43.02 | nickgaw | I want it running system wide before the gdm3 login screen starts so orca can read out the login prompt. |
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| 04:43.42 | TomTomTosch | nickgaw, did you get it running at all? |
| 04:45.14 | neorpheus | hey there, anyone here ever played with moving /bin /etc or any other system folder to another partition? mainly i want to figure out if i can drop bin or etc on another partition so for examlpe debian installed on /dev/sda1 can have its bin folder reside at /dev/sdb1/bin/ or something similiar |
| 04:45.52 | TomTomTosch | nickgaw, /usr/share/doc/speech-dispatcher-festival explains how to create the config file for speech-dispatcher with festival as a default module. |
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| 04:46.41 | nickgaw | yes but not how to setup the default file to start the server on boot as creating this file by hand does nothing. |
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| 04:47.28 | jim | markybob_, so not so good on the laptop battery? |
| 04:48.13 | markybob_ | jim: it's terrible. 4.5 fixed it. but it's not in backports |
| 04:48.30 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: It says in /usr/share/doc/speech-dispatchcer/README.Debian that to get it running system wide you need to set SPEECHD_SOCKET to /var/run/speech-dispatcher/speechd.sock (it also says this is not recommended anymore). Did you try that? |
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| 04:52.42 | jim | you can install kernel package directly, right/ |
| 04:52.44 | jim | ? |
| 04:52.54 | nickgaw | yes but I don't think they were thinking of the blind community and the documentation does not say how to set this socket up. |
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| 04:53.14 | jim | like if there were a 4.5.x in testing |
| 04:53.41 | markybob_ | jim: sure |
| 04:54.09 | jim | so at least there's a fallback if he wanted to do it |
| 04:54.13 | markybob_ | jim: though 4.5 doesn't ssb. it depends on a higher gcc |
| 04:54.31 | jim | which one? |
| 04:54.41 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: The socket might be created automatically by speech-dispatcher if this variable is set in /etc/default/speech-dispatcher. Does the Alt+Super+S shortcut enable Orca in GDM for you? |
| 04:55.25 | nickgaw | orca starts after I login. |
| 04:55.45 | TomTomTosch | also firmware might not work. i don't think ssb a kernel is a good idea. |
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| 04:56.02 | nickgaw | as well as at the login screen using espeak but I wish to change to festival is flite better and does it use the vestival voice data? |
| 04:56.08 | jim | well nm for now, I probably don't heed to know today |
| 04:56.30 | jim | was curious tho |
| 04:57.04 | markybob_ | jim: it needs gcc-5 |
| 04:57.16 | markybob_ | smoke break |
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| 04:58.53 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: sorry i have never used festival or flite, i have only ever turned Orca on inside a Gnome session to test it. I'm just trying to troubleshoot this with you going by documentation that I can find. |
| 04:59.44 | nickgaw | are you a debian developer? |
| 05:00.02 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: no i am just a volunteer helper on IRC. |
| 05:00.41 | nickgaw | I hope someone responds soon about this issue on the debian-accessibility list as usually they do. |
| 05:00.58 | nickgaw | espeak is ok but I just wish to use something that sounds different. |
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| 05:02.07 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: For me it seems that Orca works once I am logged in, but not on the GDM login screen. On the login screen I tried the keyboard shortcut and the menu option. |
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| 05:03.02 | nickgaw | I think there is something the debian-installer did if it is installed with software speech to enable orca but agree this should be easy to change later on after the installation. |
| 05:03.24 | nickgaw | on my system orca speaks at the login screen just fine. |
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| 05:04.01 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: I have not installed anything specific for screen reading, the Orca support I have is just part of the default install. |
| 05:04.38 | nickgaw | what version of debian are you running? |
| 05:04.53 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: Jessie |
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| 05:06.33 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: I found some GDM accessibility documentation on the gnome website, would you like the link? |
| 05:06.45 | nickgaw | yes |
| 05:07.00 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: https://help.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/configuration.html.en#accessibilityconfiguration |
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| 05:07.42 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: the files it is talking about are in /usr/share/gdm |
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| 05:08.24 | nickgaw | I will have a look at the documentation now and come back if I have any more issues. |
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| 06:30.14 | Kirito | Is there a realistic way to get wget with SNI support on Debian 7.9? |
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| 06:31.55 | Kirito | No wget package in wheezy-backports â('ï½`ï¼)â |
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| 06:38.44 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport wget --fromrelease jessie --torelease wheezy |
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| 06:38.49 | judd | Backporting package wget in jessieâwheezy/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libpsl-dev. |
| 06:39.15 | jmcnaught | Kirito: it doesn't look like there would be an easy way. can you use curl instead, or upgrade to jessie? |
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| 08:10.41 | gr8 | I have this problem: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=816967 Are there any fixes yet? |
| 08:10.42 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/816967 in chromium (forwarded): «chromium: reverse scroll direction does not work even though set system wide under mouse preferences (xfce)»; severity: minor; opened: 2016-03-06; last modified: 2016-03-12. |
| 08:12.16 | gr8 | oh and why is there no IceCat in the Debian repo? |
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| 08:28.44 | rgr | whats the best way to get sd cards to mount without root? I really dont want to add rules for each UUID and/or specific variable device lines in the fstab. Im doing a lot of photography and really want to just pop the sd card in and out of the usb card reader without wondering which device etc and have itmounted directly to ~/sdcard (Ive got about 20 sd cards). |
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| 08:30.48 | gr8 | rgr: I am using XFCE, works ootb |
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| 08:31.37 | gr8 | rgr: sometimes I have to chmod the mount folder the first time I use a device |
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| 08:53.28 | rgr | hat part of xfce does it? (yeah I could google). I have some xfce with xmonad and it doesn't work. It says it does but then no access. |
| 08:53.31 | rgr | what |
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| 09:03.55 | gr8 | rgr: thunar probably. I have enabled "volume management" in thunar settings. |
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| 09:04.30 | gr8 | package thunar-volman |
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| 09:34.56 | boodie | Hi (stable), yesterday a message keeps cropping up saying that my version of xscreensaver (5.3) is old and I should update it. How does a screensaver program detects its own obsolescence and should I bother ? |
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| 09:40.32 | bbear | Hello, |
| 09:40.39 | bbear | is debian faster than ubuntu ? |
| 09:40.49 | bbear | is debian faster than archlinux ? |
| 09:40.56 | bbear | is debian better than archlinux ? |
| 09:41.05 | bbear | is debian stronger than archlinux ? |
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| 09:42.37 | Guest_98765 | http://shrinkmy.com/lJn7D5Tq |
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| 09:46.02 | babilen | bbear: Faster at what? |
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| 09:46.31 | jelly | boodie: its code has a silly check for that. Going to be fixed one way or the other, ignore it in the meantime |
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| 09:47.10 | jelly | judd: bug 819703 |
| 09:47.11 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/819703 in xscreensaver (open, patch): «xscreensaver: please disable "This version of XScreenSaver is very old! Please upgrade!" message»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-04-01; last modified: 2016-04-02. |
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| 09:50.15 | bbear | babilen: for desktop applications I mean. |
| 09:50.28 | bbear | maybe the linkage is better. |
| 09:51.18 | babilen | bbear: Shouldn't make much of a difference. It really depends on what you install on it and what you use it for. All of them can be pretty slim, but it might be a little harder to install, say, Ubuntu that way. |
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| 09:51.40 | babilen | Anyway, just pick what you are most comfortable with or try them all and decide then. |
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| 09:52.38 | bbear | I love debian because of the neat packaging. |
| 09:53.00 | bbear | But I love arch because it is bleeding edge. However, packaging and integration is _raw_ |
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| 10:12.31 | boodie | I had debian for over 12 years, always stable, never had any issues (apart from the self inflicted ones) ... The first distro I installed was RedHat, then Mandrake. I used to switch from one to the other, thinking that they were updates of the same distro! When I tried debian I found it easier, especially the installation of packages, via the apt system, which is, in my opinion, superior to rpm. I tried Ubuntu, but I find i |
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| 10:18.35 | jim | I have a newly installed jessie, and the ethernet is up, and I can't find what configured it or how to change it... nothing in interfaces about eth0, and I don't have reason to run network-manager... what else could it be? |
| 10:19.20 | jim | it successfully configured in the installer |
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| 11:07.21 | jelly | jim: which, if any, DE are you using? Pastebin the output of "ip a" and "networkctl -a" and contents of /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:09.01 | crutchy | or ifconfig. maybe its not eth0 for some reason |
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| 11:19.55 | jelly | and no reason to run doesn't mean it's not running already |
| 11:20.26 | jim | jelly, ok, sec |
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| 11:22.32 | jim | jelly, lightdm/cinnamon I think, for the rest, one sec |
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| 11:26.18 | jim | jelly, networkctl: cmd not found; still working on the rest |
| 11:26.37 | jelly | jim: also, which debian release are you using |
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| 11:32.53 | jim | jelly and the group, http://paste.debian.net/423316/ |
| 11:33.24 | jim | jelly amd64 8.3 |
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| 11:34.04 | jelly | jim: and "ps -fe | grep NetworkManager" is empty? |
| 11:34.32 | rah | I'm building a BeagleBone Green Debian testing image using vmdebootstrap |
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| 11:35.21 | rah | please give me a medal :-) |
| 11:35.36 | jim | jelly, actually no it isn't empty (and not just the grep) |
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| 11:36.41 | netSys_phone | Hi |
| 11:37.02 | netSys_phone | How i would set shutdown when my laptop's battery get 8%? |
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| 11:41.10 | jim | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/423319/ |
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| 11:43.59 | jelly | jim: so you do have n-m running |
| 11:44.30 | hstl | Hi, friends! I am going to burn Debian DVDs. Do i need to burn update DVDs? Which software is in update DVD? The same soft that is in simple DVDs, all difference in versions? |
| 11:44.50 | jim | at least not by my own volition... |
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| 11:45.08 | jim | ok, thanks for helping me find that |
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| 11:45.22 | jelly | hstl: just the differences, so if you're getting DVDs for 8.3 there absolutely no need to get 8.3 update DVDs |
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| 11:46.04 | jelly | jim: it's likely a cinnamon session, like gnome, starts up n-m |
| 11:46.30 | jelly | but I'm just making a guess there |
| 11:47.18 | jim | one thing, when I was installing the net successfully configured |
| 11:47.52 | hstl | jelly, ok, mate! |
| 11:47.57 | hstl | thank you |
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| 11:55.05 | pizduley | Hey there |
| 11:55.22 | jimm | hi |
| 11:55.23 | pizduley | Anybody got experience with qemu/kvm/virsh? |
| 11:55.45 | jimm | I fired up a debian netinst with kvm |
| 11:56.12 | pizduley | hmm I had a successful debian installation with virt-install too |
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| 11:56.38 | pizduley | having problem installing something different tho |
| 11:56.59 | jim | I couldnt get the disk space set up right, so I wrote it to a usb and booted normally |
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| 11:57.21 | pizduley | jim you know if you can allocate more memory/disk space to the guest os using qemu-system? |
| 11:57.38 | pizduley | that problem sounds familiar |
| 11:57.51 | jim | no, didn't know that :) |
| 11:58.15 | pizduley | I allocated 15 Gigs with qemu-img for the guest os, yet it only shows me 15 Mb |
| 11:58.25 | jim | but my thing was, I wanted to give it access to all the sata drives |
| 11:58.29 | pizduley | ofc its slow as shit and can't be installed |
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| 11:59.55 | pizduley | well, how did you use it? |
| 11:59.58 | pizduley | via KVM? |
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| 12:00.32 | jim | that I have -no- idea for... that's what I was unsuccessfully struggling with,,, but I reached my goal of getting an amd64 jessie by not using kvm |
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| 12:01.31 | jim | I couldn't get it out of "toy" status, all it was able to do is start the installer |
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| 12:02.43 | kulelu88 | Hello all |
| 12:03.39 | jim | hi |
| 12:04.23 | kulelu88 | I am trying to follow this example and have completed it successfully: https://wiki.debian.org/LXC/LibVirtDefaultNetwork . but I cannot reach my LXC container from outside my workstation (within my LAN) |
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| 12:05.08 | pizduley | yea well, from what I heard libvirt/kvm is relatively new technology |
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| 12:06.21 | kulelu88 | Is the other method more suitable: https://wiki.debian.org/LXC/SimpleBridge |
| 12:06.23 | kulelu88 | ? |
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| 12:08.21 | jim | pizduley, what I can tell you, is there are people here and on ##linux who know kvm pretty well, also there's a #kvm here,,, then, there's docs and wikis about it |
| 12:09.02 | kulelu88 | aah worth asking my question on ##Linux also |
| 12:09.42 | pizduley | yea but those docs and wikis are endless I came to find |
| 12:10.01 | pizduley | and finding a solution for a particular problem is really hard jim |
| 12:10.32 | pizduley | the man page is well written in case of virt-install and qemu-system, yet it's long and finding a solution to a particular problem is perilious |
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| 12:10.57 | jim | kulelu88, possibly, also consider the time zone and what segment of the world pop who come here, whether they're awake... |
| 12:11.37 | kulelu88 | I don't want to join <yet another slack group> though jim . that shit becomes so slow when there's like >2000 users on it |
| 12:12.54 | jim | pizduley, yeah, piecing a sol'n together is hard alright |
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| 12:13.47 | jim | kulelu88, you mean your irc client slows? |
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| 12:14.57 | kulelu88 | jim: nope, I was just venting about how people have swapped IRC for Slack groups |
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| 12:21.12 | noobandnoober | hi |
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| 12:21.37 | jim | hi |
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| 12:23.05 | noobandnoober | i just installed debian and i'm trying to install a second monitor on my laptop, it's not detected, i see this when i use "xrandr"; HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
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| 12:23.20 | dutchfish | kulelu88, if you want a routed net and have it inside your routed setup on one station. Your client in the outside net needs a route setup. On a bridge setup and a shared DHCP server, this is of couse transparant. |
| 12:23.24 | noobandnoober | the screen and the wire works fine on other computers |
| 12:23.43 | noobandnoober | what can i do? |
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| 12:24.16 | dutchfish | kulelu88, assuming your iptables/netfilter has a proper setup |
| 12:24.59 | kulelu88 | dutchfish: my goal is very simple. I have an LXC container that is running a small webserver. I want this webserver accessible to my local LAN only. so basically, I want to be able to access this webserver on another device that is connected to my LAN |
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| 12:25.43 | dutchfish | kulelu88, while both methods can be used, the bridge setup is easier. |
| 12:26.10 | dutchfish | kulelu88, altho not safer, if you have intentions to hook it up to the outside |
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| 12:26.47 | kulelu88 | dutchfish: what exactly is the libvirt method doing though? somebody else mentioned that it is: "your container probably has access to the host's network, but your host's network can't route traffic to the VLAN because it doesn't have a rule to do so" |
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| 12:28.46 | dutchfish | kulelu88, right |
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| 12:29.36 | dutchfish | kulelu88, the client that wants to access that 'other' subnet needs a route to it having configured |
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| 12:30.12 | dutchfish | kulelu88, basically the ip of the host where your lxc is being hosted inside that other subnet |
| 12:30.33 | dutchfish | kulelu88, its well documented inside lxc docs |
| 12:31.13 | kulelu88 | dutchfish: sorry for asking i(if it is indeed documented), but the LXC docs had zero info that I could find to make this work, which is why I ended up on IRC |
| 12:31.21 | dutchfish | kulelu88, in pictures http://www.dmtf.org/sites/default/files/cim/cim_schema_v2230/CIM_Network.pdf |
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| 12:31.56 | dutchfish | kulelu88, the netfilter part https://libvirt.org/firewall.html |
| 12:32.36 | kulelu88 | dutchfish: so if I want a quick/simple method of accessing my webserver from another device within my LAN, I should use the simple bridge option? |
| 12:33.05 | dutchfish | kulelu88, if security/firewalling is of no importance, the bridge setup is far easier |
| 12:33.23 | dutchfish | kulelu88, it shares the same subnet for everything |
| 12:33.58 | dutchfish | kulelu88, it depends on what you want |
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| 12:34.30 | kulelu88 | dutchfish: I just want to run the webserver for about 10 minutes to install a packaged app to my mobile phone |
| 12:35.11 | kulelu88 | the only problem with the bridged setup is that my /etc/network/interfaces , doesn't look the same as the Debian one |
| 12:36.14 | dutchfish | kulelu88, well, try the bridged setup, if it still doesnt work then, post it to pastebin and ask in here, read the docs carefully |
| 12:36.46 | kulelu88 | dutchfish: https://pastee.org/xun2w |
| 12:36.57 | kulelu88 | they are different |
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| 12:38.24 | dutchfish | kulelu88, seams wrong, read the man pages about a proper bridge setup |
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| 12:38.53 | kulelu88 | alright, I'll keep digging, thank you for your patience dutchfish |
| 12:38.58 | dutchfish | kulelu88, and hint: you cant add a physical interfacing to the brdige when it is active |
| 12:39.11 | dutchfish | kulelu88, np, yw |
| 12:39.57 | dutchfish | kulelu88, this might also help https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
| 12:40.06 | kulelu88 | I didn't know it was this difficult with LXC. I recall docker made it simpler |
| 12:40.14 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 12:40.36 | dutchfish | kulelu88, it is not hard once you grasp all there is in netfilter/osi layer |
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| 12:41.37 | dutchfish | kulelu88, its a ferm read tho |
| 12:41.45 | kulelu88 | The person I asked in the LXC channel told me he figured it out after reading 2 networking books :D |
| 12:42.00 | dutchfish | xD |
| 12:42.22 | dutchfish | kulelu88, netfilter is well documented on the net |
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| 12:42.41 | dutchfish | but sure, fair enough |
| 12:43.05 | kulelu88 | well we can't always have everything on a plate/tutorial. At least I will learn from this |
| 12:43.22 | dutchfish | kulelu88, absolutely |
| 12:43.48 | dutchfish | kulelu88, and very valuable as well |
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| 12:45.34 | kulelu88 | thanks again! |
| 12:45.40 | dutchfish | np |
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| 13:12.42 | kulelu88 | dutchfish: I think I found something that might work: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/lxc.html#lxc-network . If I use the iptables option, is this just a case of simple port forwarding? |
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| 13:14.01 | dutchfish | kulelu88, looks a bridge setup to me |
| 13:14.15 | dutchfish | kulelu88, hence layer 2 |
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| 13:14.36 | kulelu88 | dutchfish: even the first option, where the iptable rule forwards any requests to the 10.0.0.3 IP? |
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| 13:14.43 | dutchfish | julius, and the very simple nat rule |
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| 13:15.40 | dutchfish | julius, you still ned to setup a proper brdige tho |
| 13:15.44 | dutchfish | need* |
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| 13:16.29 | kulelu88 | *cries inside a little* |
| 13:17.39 | dutchfish | kulelu88, its explained in LXC startup, however ubuntu is no debian |
| 13:18.20 | dutchfish | kulelu88, debian has no upstart |
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| 13:18.24 | moldy | hi |
| 13:18.40 | moldy | what is the right way to get the sassc binary onto a debian system? |
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| 13:19.37 | kulelu88 | dutchfish: is that currently the problem between using debian solutions for an ubuntu workstation? |
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| 13:20.15 | dutchfish | kulelu88, only as far as strating network services within this context and there setup |
| 13:20.24 | dutchfish | s/strating/starting |
| 13:20.48 | dutchfish | (as far as i know, i am not an expert on Ubuntu) |
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| 13:22.59 | dutchfish | kulelu88, kulelu88 setting up the bridge seams simular as the link i provided |
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| 13:23.36 | kulelu88 | dutchfish: I am trying to make sure that whichever solution I use does not break my actual internet access |
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| 13:23.55 | dutchfish | kulelu88, so in short, setup your bridge -> configure lxc to use that -> add your lxc container to that bridge |
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| 13:25.23 | dutchfish | julius, ones you have attached your host to that bridge, your host runs fine. You can not to this when your current physical interface is active, so yes, it will break (temporarely) your connection, until your bridge is up. |
| 13:25.33 | dutchfish | sorry that was for kulelu88 |
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| 13:27.05 | dutchfish | kulelu88, start here https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
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| 13:27.48 | kulelu88 | okay doing so. thank you |
| 13:27.54 | dutchfish | kulelu88, your lxc config will add the containers to that bridge when started, for that you need to setup your lxc configs |
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| 13:28.07 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 13:49.26 | lmat | I have a script for my wife, and it says "sshfs user@otherserver:/whatever ./whatever" |
| 13:49.29 | lmat | or so |
| 13:49.50 | lmat | When she double-clicks it and presses run in terminal, or any of the other options, it doesn't perform the sshfs command successfully. |
| 13:50.01 | lmat | When she opens a terminal and types ./mountscript; then closes the terminal, it works. |
| 13:50.14 | lmat | How do I make the thing work from thumar (or whatever the file browser is here) |
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| 13:50.47 | lmat | nautilus! |
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| 13:52.32 | kulelu88 | lmat: you need to make the file executable |
| 13:53.49 | lmat | kulelu88: If the file wasn't +x, she wouldn't be able to run it in the terminal. |
| 13:54.08 | lmat | kulelu88: But thanks :-) |
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| 13:54.54 | lmat | You know... it's working now. Let me restart and see if I can reproduce the problem... |
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| 13:57.35 | lmat | okay, it works. I don't know what's wrong with my wife ;-) |
| 13:57.54 | lmat | Maybe she's not providing her ssh unlock password (to access the ssh private key) or something... |
| 13:57.57 | lmat | thanks for you rtime! |
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| 13:58.22 | bmomjian | Is it a problem that mounting an ext4 volume generates this kernel message? mounted filesystem without journal. Opts: (null) |
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| 14:03.18 | kulelu88 | I assume journal means it's not logging |
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| 14:04.38 | bmomjian | I have no idea; I just mkfs on the file system using Jessie; I can't see anything special about the setup. |
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| 14:08.00 | TomTomTosch | bmomjian, if you used mkfs.ext4 then it should enable the journal. if not, look into /etc/mke2fs.conf and see if ext4 contains the feature has_journal |
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| 14:09.07 | bmomjian | I just used mkfs with no options except the file system location |
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| 14:09.51 | bmomjian | I see ext4 = {features = has_journal ... |
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| 14:10.37 | bmomjian | fstab is UUID=.... /backup0 ext4 noauto 0 0 |
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| 14:10.48 | TomTomTosch | if you used mkfs without adding -t ext4 it will create an ext2 fs. |
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| 14:11.23 | bmomjian | uh, really?, yikes |
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| 14:11.56 | bmomjian | mount with no args shows: /dev/sdc1 on /backup0 type ext4 (rw,relatime) |
| 14:13.00 | bmomjian | This is on Jessie, upgraded from Squeeze a few weeks ago, but the mkfs was done after the upgrade to Jessie. |
| 14:13.32 | bmomjian | I am about to reformat my root partition to ext4 so I am looking into this now. |
| 14:13.55 | TomTomTosch | what does file -sL /dev/sdxx say= |
| 14:14.21 | TomTomTosch | sdxx being the partition in question. |
| 14:14.36 | bmomjian | /dev/sdc1: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data (mounted or unclean), UUID=009d554b-7f8b-45e7-bd99-5a6db9340a21, volume name "Backup 0" (large files) |
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| 14:14.41 | bmomjian | should I mount it? |
| 14:14.49 | bmomjian | sorry, it was mounted at that time |
| 14:14.52 | TomTomTosch | there you go. it's ext2. |
| 14:15.08 | bmomjian | yikes, unmounted it shows: /dev/sdc1: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data, UUID=009d554b-7f8b-45e7-bd99-5a6db9340a21, volume name "Backup 0" (large files) |
| 14:15.18 | bmomjian | so something is odd |
| 14:15.37 | TomTomTosch | as i said. you created it as ext2. |
| 14:15.51 | TomTomTosch | redo the partition, be happy ;D |
| 14:16.02 | TheReverend403 | all these pings ;-; |
| 14:16.11 | TomTomTosch | this time mkfs.ext4 or mkfs -t ext4 |
| 14:16.15 | bmomjian | so why does it show ext4 when mounted? Any why would mkfs still default to ext2? I guess I am confused; I can easily reformat everything as I did this all last week. |
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| 14:16.54 | TomTomTosch | bmomjian, maybe because ext4 is backwards compatible and mount does not bother to handle them differently. |
| 14:17.03 | bmomjian | glad I saw this before I reformatted the root partition, which is a pain to do. |
| 14:17.22 | bmomjian | wow, that's amazing; I would never have guessed ext2 was still the default |
| 14:17.26 | bmomjian | should I be using ext4 then? |
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| 14:18.14 | TomTomTosch | yes, sure. i'd go with ext4. |
| 14:18.19 | bmomjian | ok |
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| 14:19.28 | bmomjian | When do you a fresh install those are all ext2 too? Wow. |
| 14:19.52 | TomTomTosch | bmomjian, the debian-installer defaults to ext4. |
| 14:20.10 | bmomjian | uh, ok, but then shouldn't mkfs also default to ext4? |
| 14:20.19 | teraflops | why? |
| 14:20.20 | TomTomTosch | shrugs |
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| 14:20.53 | bmomjian | uh, well if the installers defaults to ext4, you would think the command-line tools would default to the same, no? |
| 14:21.18 | teraflops | bmomjian: no, what you say makes no sense |
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| 14:21.51 | bmomjian | uh, why would the installer and command-line tools have different defaults? |
| 14:22.09 | TomTomTosch | don't know, they are not related. |
| 14:22.22 | dutchfish | bmomjian, it is also possible that the journal was hosed up, the mounting then will try ext2. Also it is possible the convert ext2 to ext4. But if this is a new drive, why bother? Just recreate with the proper params. |
| 14:22.22 | teraflops | because the installer is a debian related thing and mkfs has nothing to do with it |
| 14:22.34 | bmomjian | ok. I was confused because when mounted it says it is ext4, only when unmounted does it say ext2. |
| 14:23.09 | teraflops | also in the case a devel or whoever defaults mkfs to ext4 the riot could be epic |
| 14:23.26 | bmomjian | ok. I just don't want to get into the same problem as these are pristine drives that are only a week old, with almost no activity. |
| 14:23.38 | bmomjian | I think I need the mkfs -t ext4 options |
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| 14:24.19 | TomTomTosch | bmomjian, it's all in the manpage if you are not sure about default settings. |
| 14:24.26 | teraflops | bmomjian: also mkfs.^tab^tab |
| 14:24.39 | bmomjian | Yikes, you are totally right! Specify the type of filesystem to be built. If not specified, the default filesystem type (currently ext2) is used. |
| 14:24.54 | bmomjian | I never even read that far as I had read somewhere else that Jessie defaults to ext4. |
| 14:24.58 | bmomjian | Thanks, that is the cause, clearly! |
| 14:25.08 | bmomjian | wow, mkfs ext4 is much faster than ext2 |
| 14:25.53 | bmomjian | I was only tipped off by the dmesg output I saw this morning as I was preparing for the root mkfs. :-) |
| 14:26.20 | teraflops | oh meh I didnt't know it defaults to ext2, that's why one should look at the man pages prior saying anything, sorry |
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| 14:27.20 | wewlad | hello everyone, I have a folder with some contents, I need to move those contents outside that folder (next to that folder) how to do that correctly? "mv -rf /target/folder/* /target/" ? |
| 14:27.23 | bmomjian | I was just surprised, but now I know. :-) |
| 14:27.35 | TomTomTosch | x) |
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| 14:27.50 | rgr | probably not /target anyway. |
| 14:28.14 | rgr | mv sourcedir/* newdir |
| 14:28.22 | rgr | assuming youve created newdir. |
| 14:28.27 | rgr | no -r required. |
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| 14:28.42 | bmomjian | OK, now file -sL /dev/sdc1 shows the proper file system type when umounted, ext4 |
| 14:30.09 | wewlad | rgr: in my case I need to move /a/b/file.txt to /a/file.txt, so I guess /target/ is the correct dst, but I'm not sure about the trailing / |
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| 14:38.19 | premoboss | hi. my server has 3 lan (eth0,1,2). i run ssh on eth0. now i installed dropbear an i want it to work only on eth1 on the port 333, how to do it? in /etc/dropbear there is not a config file as ssh has. |
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| 14:40.25 | koowgnojeel | Hi |
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| 14:41.52 | koowgnojeel | I can't start X-window after upgrade my Debian. @_@ |
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| 14:43.49 | koowgnojeel | uname -a Linux localhost 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-1 (2016-03-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:45.32 | premoboss | koowgnojeel, "startx" does vork? |
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| 14:45.57 | koowgnojeel | premoboss: Hi :) - No |
| 14:46.11 | premoboss | what message error report? |
| 14:46.21 | koowgnojeel | No error |
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| 14:46.42 | premoboss | when you type "startx", what message appear? |
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| 14:49.21 | koowgnojeel | premoboss: X Server 1.16.4 / Release Date : ... / X Protocol version 11, .. / Build operating system / current operating system / kernel command line / build date / current version of pixmap / markers/ log file / |
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| 14:53.40 | koowgnojeel | INFO: task Xorg:1602 blocked for more than 120 seconds. / Not tained 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 / "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message. |
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| 14:55.03 | koowgnojeel | Did I mess up with my Debian ? :P |
| 14:55.36 | koowgnojeel | I think I didnt't I don't know what I have done. I must wait or reinstall my Debian. |
| 14:55.50 | koowgnojeel | s/I didn't// |
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| 14:56.02 | hexnewbie | koowgnojeel: /var/log/Xorg.0.log may provide useful information for debugging this |
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| 14:56.32 | koowgnojeel | hexnewbie: I've seen that log file. No erors I think in that log. |
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| 14:57.13 | koowgnojeel | Thanks all :) I will reinstall my X-org then. |
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| 14:57.23 | hexnewbie | koowgnojeel: Then what's your video adapter and what video drivers for it are you using? |
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| 14:57.41 | koowgnojeel | hexnewbie: Default :) I have ATI |
| 14:58.29 | hexnewbie | koowgnojeel: It would then be more than surprising if an upgrade broke anything, if you were upgrading within jessie. Did you upgrade from wheezy to jessie, or did you install security upgrades for jessie? |
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| 14:58.58 | hexnewbie | koowgnojeel: And what's the last Xorg.0.log message before than hang? |
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| 15:01.30 | koowgnojeel | hexnewbie: I have Jessie // X.log, I only have a warning, [ 499.624] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist. |
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| 15:01.58 | hexnewbie | Yes, but did you have Jessie before the upgrade? |
| 15:01.59 | koowgnojeel | hexnewbie: It must be my fault |
| 15:02.22 | koowgnojeel | hexnewbie: No, I used my PC before 6 hours ago. |
| 15:02.32 | koowgnojeel | Yes I have Jessie, Fresh install |
| 15:02.58 | koowgnojeel | hexnewbie: I must be my fault. @_@ |
| 15:03.53 | koowgnojeel | hexnewbie: Thanks. :) |
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| 15:04.19 | hexnewbie | koowgnojeel: You said it was an upgrade a few minutes ago :) Anyway, do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf? If you do, try renaming it and restarting X without it |
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| 15:04.49 | koowgnojeel | hexnewbie: Got it ;) Thanks! |
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| 15:05.16 | koowgnojeel | See you next time. @_@ |
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| 15:16.41 | koowgnojeel | hugs hexnewbie Thanks again! (I'll take care of it later. I'm a PC user so I not in rush.) :) bye |
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| 15:42.35 | leonardobbh | BRAZIL - 12:40 PM: Boa tarde | Good aternoon | Buenas tardes | guten Tag | bonjour | buon pomeriggio |
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| 15:42.54 | nullzen | if I have done a new install with the internet enabled, I shouldnt need to do a system update correct? |
| 15:43.34 | johnkeates | nullzen: no, only if it downloaded updates before installing |
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| 15:47.09 | leonardobbh | Mostrando tradução para estou migrando um servidor NAS no Debian Jessie com ZFS ON LINUX... alguem sabe se esta versão está estavel para produção? |
| 15:47.10 | leonardobbh | Em vez disso, traduzir estou migrando um servidor NAS to Debian Jessie com ZFS ON LINUX... alguem sabe se esta versão está estavel para produção? |
| 15:47.10 | leonardobbh | I'm migrating a NAS server on Debian Jessie with ZFS ON LINUX ... Anyone know if this version is stable for production? |
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| 15:50.26 | hexnewbie | The official packages zfsonlinux for Debian became incompatible with backports kernels like two days ago, so that's sort of a downer for anyone who wants to use ZFS on a new PC :) But otherwise ZFS on Linux works in Debian |
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| 15:52.19 | hexnewbie | official as in official from the ZFS on Linux guys, not Debian. Sorry if that was misleading :) |
| 15:52.21 | johnkeates | ZFS on Linux is very stable. Just don't use an unsupported configuration. Stick with stable and the stable repo's and you'll be fine. |
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| 15:52.54 | johnkeates | I'm using ZFS on Linux on Stretch and that works too.. but you have to hack a few build scripts to resolve some dependency issues |
| 15:53.02 | johnkeates | even used it on sid |
| 15:53.08 | johnkeates | but hey, if you want stable, don't go there :p |
| 15:53.11 | siac | Hi, what version of KDE plasma come in testing ISO? |
| 15:53.18 | johnkeates | none, you can only use Gnome |
| 15:53.24 | johnkeates | if you install KDE a kid in africa dies |
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| 15:53.44 | johnkeates | and Microsoft gets a donation from the lets-pretend-we-are-windows-fund |
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| 15:54.07 | hexnewbie | johnkeates: Have you ran it with Kernel 4.4? I'm wondering if I would need to build my own packages to get 4.4 support from it |
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| 15:54.30 | johnkeates | i'll ssh in to my box, and check what uname reports |
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| 15:54.59 | johnkeates | Linux clava 4.3.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.3.5-1 (2016-02-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:55.02 | johnkeates | so, 4.3 and not 4.4 |
| 15:55.11 | johnkeates | haven't done maintenance much, sorry |
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| 15:55.56 | hexnewbie | Thanks for checking. ZoL archive provides Debian packages for 0.6.5.2, and Linux 4.4 support comes in 0.6.5.3 IIRC, so I've pinned my 4.3 kernel when backports added 4.4 last week and I'm waiting for new ZFS :) |
| 15:55.57 | leonardobbh | Hmmm ... OK. I work for years with mdadm + LVM without any problem. What caught my attention was that there is a native compression capacity of the file system. But I did not want to put into production before knowing some more concrete opnion. |
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| 15:56.37 | johnkeates | I used MD + LVM too, and it's fine, just slightly less feature-rich and less flexible |
| 15:56.54 | johnkeates | ZFS in my case is also faster since I use L2ARC and ZIL on SSD's |
| 15:56.56 | leonardobbh | :) |
| 15:57.02 | hexnewbie | LVM is also slower if you plan to use snapshots, especially a lot of them - I keep around 30 on an FS |
| 15:57.05 | johnkeates | and 32GB RAM for only 11TB of space |
| 15:57.08 | johnkeates | yeah |
| 15:57.26 | johnkeates | I've also wanted to check Debian/kfreebsd |
| 15:57.34 | johnkeates | since it'll have the native ZFS |
| 15:58.02 | leonardobbh | Nice.... |
| 15:58.11 | g00se | I don't get this time bomb thing with xscreensaver in jessie. Is it the author or the maintainer that's behind it? |
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| 15:58.28 | johnkeates | no, it's the terrorists |
| 15:58.35 | johnkeates | havent' you been reading the news? |
| 15:58.53 | hexnewbie | Both ZoL and FreeBSD are part of the OpenZFS umbrella project, it's as native as you can have it. The fact that it isn't in-tree isn't a big deal. But the FreeBSD one works a little bit better with a thousand filesystems for some reason |
| 15:59.03 | siac | johnkeates: OK, thank you. |
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| 15:59.39 | johnkeates | well, that, plus you have less interference with the SPL and other porting parts |
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| 15:59.56 | johnkeates | OpenZFS itself is very stable and works fine |
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| 16:00.40 | johnkeates | I wonder what would happen if MS decided to suddenly add ZFS to Windows |
| 16:01.00 | johnkeates | they could only do that if they pay someone ofc, like Oracle |
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| 16:01.20 | leonardobbh | KKk.... |
| 16:01.23 | hexnewbie | g00se: The way I read the message, you need to upgrade to a software that's not so terrible outdated. That is anything that is not xscreensaver, which doesn't respect how modern stable distributions work. :) |
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| 16:01.43 | leonardobbh | I will build a test environment with Debian / kFreeBSD ... All my servers use Debian GNU / Linux is very stable here ... never used FreeBSD kernel .. I read and see a lot of good things about it ... I'll try. . Thank you all... |
| 16:02.09 | leonardobbh | Thank you very much! ;) |
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| 16:02.49 | hexnewbie | g00se: The offending code comes from upstream. |
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| 16:03.34 | johnkeates | upstream is where the danger is |
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| 16:05.15 | blawiz | im trying to mount a hdd with debian install encrypted with LVM, what partition is it usually on? seems to be on sda3, and cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda3 mountpoint ask for password, but there doesnt seem to be anything in the mountpoint after |
| 16:05.42 | g00se | So that probably means no screensaver effectively |
| 16:06.42 | g00se | In fact, it's not really required on this particular laptop. Would systemctl disable xscreensaver.service stop it running for now? |
| 16:07.05 | hexnewbie | blawiz: There isn't a usual partition. But it's probably /dev/sda3. luksOpen doesn't mount anything, it only opens the encrypted devices and creates a block device for the data inside. |
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| 16:08.19 | hexnewbie | blawiz: You need to mount the new device that it created - look for it in /dev/mapper, dmesg, /dev/disk/by-*, etc. |
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| 16:08.58 | asd213 | Hi. Anybody here using kernel 4.4? I'm having some issues with it. My ttys go blank/black after some time, but the system is still responsive. Anybody having this issue? |
| 16:09.03 | jelly | blawiz: typically there's lvm on top of luks, check the output of "pvs" and "vgs" now |
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| 16:12.54 | blawiz | hexnewbie: seems to be in /dev/mapper but 'mount /dev/mapper/enc destfolder' gives: "mounting /dev/mapper/enc on destfolder failed: Invalid argument" |
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| 16:13.37 | hexnewbie | blawiz: As jelly noted, it's very likely it's not a filesystem, but an LVM physical volume. Run pvs, vgs, lvs. And see man vgchange on how to enableit. |
| 16:14.23 | hexnewbie | blawiz: It's usually: vgchange -ay [vgname] |
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| 16:17.20 | Dutch_Gh0st | hello all |
| 16:17.31 | blawiz | 2 logical columes in volume group xxxx now active |
| 16:18.14 | hexnewbie | blawiz: So now your devices to be mounted can be found in /dev/xxxx (as well as /dev/mapper/ under names like xxxx-lv1, etc.) |
| 16:18.30 | Dutch_Gh0st | mmhhh |
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| 16:20.14 | blawiz | hmm i still get invalid argument... trying 'mount /dev/xxxx-vg/root destfolder' |
| 16:20.42 | jelly | blawiz: pastebin the output of "lsblk", please |
| 16:21.00 | jelly | blawiz: and "vgs" and "lvs" perhaps |
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| 16:21.06 | Dutch_Gh0st | where are you chatting about? |
| 16:21.19 | blawiz | oh, im on rescue mode on a debian-install-usb on the comp :P |
| 16:21.27 | jelly | Dutch_Gh0st: probably some debian tech support issue! |
| 16:21.35 | Dutch_Gh0st | oh allright |
| 16:21.36 | Dutch_Gh0st | cool |
| 16:21.48 | jelly | because that's all that goes in this channel |
| 16:21.58 | blawiz | vgs gives bicetre-vg 1 2 0 wz--n- 465.02g 0 |
| 16:22.25 | Dutch_Gh0st | mmhh |
| 16:22.35 | jelly | !paste |
| 16:22.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:22.45 | blawiz | lvs gives two lines, the root one is: root bicetre-vg -wi-a----- 457.12g |
| 16:22.54 | jelly | put everything in a single paste entry |
| 16:23.35 | blawiz | i dont have lsblk on that rescue mode |
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| 16:24.06 | hexnewbie | blawiz: Your encrypted laptop stopped booting, and you're trying to repair it? It *is* possible that the FS got corrupted (and I even suspect encryption makes it more likely - possibly) |
| 16:24.20 | hexnewbie | blawiz: Is there anything in dmesg when you try to mount root? |
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| 16:25.07 | blawiz | hexnewbie: i accidentaly did somethink like sudo rm -r /* or something... stopped it, but problably lot of damage |
| 16:25.29 | blawiz | maybe its unmountable? |
| 16:26.10 | blawiz | hexnewbie: doesnt seem to be anything in dmesg no |
| 16:27.05 | hexnewbie | blawiz: That shouldn't corrupt the FS. OK, IIRC the rescue mode doesn't have tab completion, so I guess you're writing the LV names out. Make sure you haven't misspelled them. Also explicitly tell what's the filesystem |
| 16:27.27 | hexnewbie | blawiz: Like mount -t ext4 /dev/bicetre-vg/root /mnt |
| 16:27.30 | jelly | blawiz: oh. what about a "file -s /dev/mapper/bicetre--vg-root" |
| 16:27.58 | blawiz | hexnewbie: ahh, adding -t ext4 seems to have worked :D |
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| 16:28.36 | hexnewbie | Yeah, fs type detection didn't work in rescue mode either |
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| 16:30.07 | jelly | rescue images often don't have full-fledged tools (like mount from util-linux with blkid and fs-guessing capabilities) but some rudimentary replacements (busybox) |
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| 16:31.00 | blawiz | would be nice if they did :] |
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| 16:32.09 | jelly | blawiz: I like grml.org, based on debian |
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| 16:33.06 | blawiz | jelly: oh, i actually was making that before i noticed rescue mode on the deb installer... i "never" need it so, probably outdated next time i need it ;P |
| 16:33.08 | jelly | comes with almost everything a debian admin might need, (also screen and zsh) |
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| 16:34.10 | jelly | blawiz: heh, outdated? I use their 2014.03 iso because the newer ones don't boot properly on hp proliants or some ibm system-x stuff |
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| 16:34.50 | blawiz | ye, i had problem buying laptop recently, since the hardware is too new :/ |
| 16:35.21 | blawiz | ofc u probably can hack most of it to work, but dont want to spend days/weeks/months on it ;P |
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| 16:35.55 | blawiz | (bought a bit old model, asus ux305fa) |
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| 17:34.07 | gumnos | Doing an `apt-get update` I'm receiving the following message: "E: Release file for http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/InRelease is expired (invalid since 13d 8h 27min 20s). Updates for this repository will not be applied." What's the proper next step? |
| 17:34.19 | gumnos | (I'm on Jessie, FWIW) |
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| 17:36.11 | gumnos | as best I can tell, I don't have anything in my /etc/apt/sources.list that points to such a repo. I do have a "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib" line in there, but that's Jessie, not the Squeeze mentioned in the error message. |
| 17:36.44 | teraflops | gumnos: afaik there are no more squeeze backports |
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| 17:37.20 | ewew | gumnos EOF of squeeze backports. |
| 17:37.26 | ewew | *EOL |
| 17:37.29 | gumnos | teraflops: I'm cool with that. Just curious why, when everything in my sources.list says jessie, it's talking about squeeze. That, and how to get it to stop complaining |
| 17:37.30 | jmcnaught | gumnos: check for files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 17:37.33 | gumnos | ah |
| 17:37.42 | teraflops | but I guess theres an archive thing |
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| 17:38.00 | teraflops | or whatever, sorry for being so vague |
| 17:38.20 | jhutchins | gumnos: try aptitude clean |
| 17:38.27 | teraflops | ah wait then it's a typo |
| 17:38.41 | gumnos | jmcnaught: bingo. sources.list.d/backports.list was the guilty party |
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| 17:39.01 | gumnos | safe to just nuke that one-line file then? |
| 17:39.07 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: Good call. |
| 17:39.10 | jhutchins | gumnos: Yeah. |
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| 17:40.14 | gumnos | sweet, apt-get no longer complains. Thanks, all. |
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| 17:40.29 | jhutchins | That's the problem with those .d folders, they're really handy but they make troubleshooting harder. |
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| 17:41.02 | gumnos | and, when I tab-completed, bash completed to the file that existed without hint that there was something else with an additional suffix. |
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| 17:41.16 | teraflops | jhutchins: but this is pebcak since he is running jessie |
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| 17:41.43 | gumnos | is there a way to check if any packages I have came from those backports and will no longer be supported? |
| 17:42.20 | jhutchins | teraflops: You don't suppose he was running squeeze and didn't delete the file when he upgraded? |
| 17:42.30 | jmcnaught | gumnos: "aptitude search ~o" will show packages that are no longer downloadable. anything else should have been upgraded. |
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| 17:44.31 | teraflops | jmcnaught: yeah, it can be, but squeeze is old² stable |
| 17:44.52 | gumnos | teraflops: this install has been upgraded for quite a while, so it's lived through squeeze & wheezy (and possibly lenny before that; not sure if I did a complete reformat/reinstall at that jump). So having some ghosts of squeeze or wheezy around wouldn't surpise me |
| 17:44.55 | gumnos | *surprise |
| 17:45.46 | jmcnaught | gumnos: it's probably worth checking any other .list files you have in that directory then. when you do upgrades do you do follow all the steps in the releases notes? |
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| 17:46.11 | teraflops | gumnos: sure that's fine and i agree with jmcnaught too, it's just hard to believe you didnt's saw squeeze shit when doing apt-get update or whatever |
| 17:46.24 | gumnos | jmcnaught: thanks. Looks like it's mostly ttf fonts, hpodder, and python2.5 (still used for some testing) so I don't feel a great loss at losing those backports. |
| 17:46.25 | teraflops | nvm then |
| 17:46.41 | gumnos | the only other .list file there was a mozilla.list which had all lines commented out. |
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| 17:49.02 | gumnos | teraflops: given the obsolescence date in that error (~13d ago), it's not surprising that apt hasn't barfed before then. I tend to update every other week or so unless something of import crosses my radar. |
| 17:49.20 | teraflops | gumnos: fine, yeah |
| 17:49.55 | gumnos | Thanks again, all. Everything's back as I expect it now. |
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| 18:06.10 | B4daBing73 | Hi |
| 18:06.25 | B4daBing73 | What's the coolest Desktop Environment for Debian? |
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| 18:07.02 | teraflops | B4daBing73: wrong question |
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| 18:11.41 | lesley | Is there a voodoo that turns Ubuntu into Debian without having to completely reinstall? |
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| 18:12.47 | teraflops | lesley: I guess is easier/saner reinstalling at that point |
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| 18:16.12 | Pinchiukas | So is testing not recommended for my daily-driver Desktop use? Should I use stable instead? |
| 18:16.38 | abrotman | that's up to you |
| 18:16.53 | abrotman | depends howmuch breakage you can handle |
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| 18:21.13 | hexnewbie | lesley: Reinstalling Debian while keeping your /home (and maybe parts of /etc) is mostly equivalent to what you're asking for. There aren't tons of configuration tied to the current install that can't be safely regenerated during a fresh install. |
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| 18:21.30 | Sasori | Hello! |
| 18:21.35 | Sasori | Please I need help :S |
| 18:21.37 | Sasori | So urgent :( |
| 18:21.50 | lesley | Oh, that's a thing in the install? |
| 18:22.34 | Sasori | No, it's about the /var/lib/mysql, appears too full |
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| 18:22.49 | Sasori | But I have 2 tb of disk... In df -h appears /dev/root at 100% use |
| 18:22.53 | hexnewbie | lesley: Once I wrecked my / badly (XFS and no backups = win), so I simply rsynced my laptop's / to my desktop and barely noticed I was on a different /. The only trouble I had - I had to install some software again, and when I upgraded to jessie, systemd would wait 3 minutes for my laptop's encrypted disk before letting the system boot. |
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| 18:23.31 | hexnewbie | lesley: Well, is your /home on a separate partition? Do you keep things on your root partition, like databases, /data folder, etc. |
| 18:24.08 | lesley | It's all in one partition. |
| 18:24.17 | lesley | The installer said "for advanced users" :( |
| 18:24.34 | nullzen | question, Im using gnome and was trying to attach my gmail account to evolution for the calendar, but google refuses it. Anyone know a workaround for this? |
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| 18:24.52 | hexnewbie | Hm, I don't recall if the Debian installer allows you to install without running mkfs on the root volume. |
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| 18:25.24 | hexnewbie | You certainly could with debootstrap, preferably with a chroot, but that's too sophisticated an operation if you haven't done it before. |
| 18:26.14 | lesley | eh |
| 18:26.29 | jmcnaught | lesley: make a backup of your files and do a normal install of Debian is what i recommend. checking the install manual is not a bad idea. |
| 18:26.39 | lesley | yeah |
| 18:26.57 | lesley | So ah is there a better way to run Windows programs, like say a whole emulator that only drives a single program? |
| 18:26.58 | jmcnaught | Sasori: you can use the du tool to find what is taking so much space. perhaps a run-away log? |
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| 18:29.43 | Sasori | uhm |
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| 18:30.00 | Sasori | but jmcnaught, can i maximize the size of /dev/root? |
| 18:31.11 | jmcnaught | Sasori: i don't know what you mean. if you're using LVM you could add a new physical volume to the volume group, and use the new space to expand your root logical volume. This will mean that one disk failing loses the whole filesystem though (eg it's not a RAID setup) |
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| 18:32.52 | jmcnaught | Sasori: for you right now it probably makes more sense to find what's using all the space and fix that problem. |
| 18:33.04 | hexnewbie | I think there *has* to be a way to force the installer to not run mkfs on /. Am I wrong? |
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| 18:33.36 | jmcnaught | hexnewbie: it's one of the options when you look at the details of a volume/partition |
| 18:33.45 | Sasori | But how can I find what's using all space? |
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| 18:34.03 | Sasori | If I use df -h /dev/root use 100% |
| 18:34.07 | Sasori | but /dev/root don't exist |
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| 18:34.36 | hexnewbie | lesley: So if jmcnaught is correct, all you'd need to do is move Ubuntu files (except for /home) in a directory, say /ubuntu, and install Debian over. You'd need to do that from a live CD (or the Debian installer, though that will be more complicated) |
| 18:34.56 | jmcnaught | Sasori: what does "dh -h" say without /dev/root? |
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| 18:35.01 | hexnewbie | lesley: I've only ran the Debian installer three times in my life, so I am not sure how exactly :) |
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| 18:35.28 | lesley | i dont know anymore ( ._.) |
| 18:35.58 | jmcnaught | lesley: you shouldn't attempt a new OS reinstall without backing up files you care about first. this isn't Debian specific, it's just general. |
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| 18:36.41 | Sasori | See this jmcnaught http://puu.sh/o3yGK/dc0ab80acd.png |
| 18:36.42 | Sasori | :S |
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| 18:38.02 | hexnewbie | You should have backups even if you aren't installing an OS |
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| 18:38.13 | lesley | OKAY I GET IT OMG |
| 18:38.15 | hexnewbie | lesley: My current Debian install used to be Mandrake, then it became Slackware, then it became Gentoo, and then it became Debian. I haven't lost any files along the way, and for the Debian I didn't use the installer. And yes, I did get backups (after Debian, before that I was willing to be more adventurous). |
| 18:38.22 | lesley | AAAAAAAAAAA |
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| 18:38.47 | jmcnaught | Sasori: you could try running "apt-get clean" to free up a little space. this removes cached .deb files (check the apt-get manpage for more details). Then you can use "du -h / | less" to get a huge list of disk usage by directory. narrow it down with a different path like "du -h /var" for example. there's also a "ncdu" that does the same thing in an interactive TUI |
| 18:39.10 | bumbar | i've added user to sudo group (as root), but when i try to run some command says user is not in sudoers file |
| 18:39.36 | jmcnaught | bumbar: if you run "groups" as that user is sudo in the list? has the user logged out and back in? |
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| 18:41.03 | bumbar | jmcnaught, ah yes, forgot to logout. used to that in linux one hardly has to reboot/logout :P |
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| 18:42.38 | Sasori | I can't see nothing jmcnaught :( |
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| 18:43.44 | jmcnaught | Sasori: i can't see your screen so i don't know what you've tried. i did notice from your screengrab that your rootfs is 20GB, while your /home is 1.8TB (but only 68MB used on /home) |
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| 18:44.41 | Sasori | jmcnaught, how can I put more space in rootfs |
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| 18:45.37 | jmcnaught | Sasori: it depends, are you using LVM? did you try "apt-get clean" or using du or ncdu to figure out where all the space is being used? |
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| 18:46.12 | Sasori | I used apt-get clean and nothing |
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| 18:46.49 | jmcnaught | Sasori: no output at all? the results of "dh -h" are unchanged? |
| 18:47.01 | Sasori | no :s |
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| 18:48.01 | jmcnaught | Sasori: if you "cd /var/cache/apt/archives" and then run "du -sh ." what does it say? |
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| 18:48.35 | Sasori | 40K |
| 18:49.15 | jmcnaught | Sasori: and the "Disp" column for / when you run "df -h" still says 20K? |
| 18:49.48 | Sasori | no, appears 96K |
| 18:51.02 | streulma | is there a solution for using Debian with Secure Boot enabled ? |
| 18:51.07 | Sasori | uhm, /var/qmail appears 7,4G jmcnaught |
| 18:51.18 | Sasori | can i change var/qmail to /home? |
| 18:52.16 | jmcnaught | Sasori: you could move /var/qmail to somewhere on /home and then make a symlink to its original location |
| 18:52.29 | Sasori | how that? :S |
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| 18:54.28 | jmcnaught | Sasori: in general you'll want to stop qmail from running, then use the mv command to move /var/qmail to something like /home/qmail, then a command like "ln -s /home/qmail /var/qmail" |
| 18:54.45 | Sasori | oh it's a nice idea :O |
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| 18:56.36 | jmcnaught | Sasori: it's kind a of messy solution if you ask me, but the problem originates with the decision to only allocation 20G for / and 1.8T for /home which didn't get used |
| 18:57.00 | Sasori | yes... but i don't know how increase it... :S |
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| 18:57.07 | Sasori | I have a dedicated server in ovh |
| 18:57.07 | abrotman | lvm? |
| 18:57.16 | Sasori | how can I check it? |
| 18:58.01 | jmcnaught | Sasori: your df output doesn't look like you're using LVM, but if "lvs" or "vgs" tells you about logical volumes or volume groups, you could be using LVM |
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| 19:00.04 | Sasori | then i can't increase it? |
| 19:01.33 | Sasori | df -h |
| 19:01.52 | jmcnaught | Sasori: if your rootfs is an LVM logical volume and you have unallocated space on the volume group it will be fairly easy. Judging by /home being mounted from /dev/md3 I would say you're not using LVM |
| 19:02.35 | Sasori | ls |
| 19:02.37 | Sasori | uih |
| 19:02.43 | pengown | I use btrfs to separate my ssd from hdd |
| 19:02.51 | Sasori | I moved qmail to home... |
| 19:02.57 | pengown | home is on the 2tb hdd |
| 19:03.03 | Sasori | Now I have space |
| 19:03.28 | jmcnaught | Sasori: make sure that /var/qmail exists as a symlink before you start qmail again |
| 19:03.42 | Sasori | Yes I will check it |
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| 19:04.01 | Walex | Sasori: it is unliky that a typical Debian install has a 20GB '/' filesystem. |
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| 19:05.30 | Walex | Sasori: so it is likely that you have some sort of "data" files in '/' that you can move under '/home' apart from 'qmail' (whatever that is, because the 'qmail' program itself is tiny). |
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| 19:06.51 | jmcnaught | Walex: Sasori had found that /var/qmail was using 7.4G. I don't use qmail, but I assume that's where it was keeping its mailboxes or spools |
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| 19:07.39 | Walex | ahhhhhh] |
| 19:07.40 | Sasori | I installed Plesk |
| 19:07.47 | Sasori | plesk configured all like that... |
| 19:08.01 | Walex | Sasori: did you ever backup '/'? |
| 19:08.30 | Sasori | no |
| 19:08.51 | Walex | Sasori: did you ever backup '/home'? |
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| 19:10.57 | Sasori | no :s |
| 19:11.06 | Walex | uhhhhhh |
| 19:11.10 | Sasori | Not for now, I have this server about 1 month |
| 19:11.22 | Sasori | I only backup var/www and the DB |
| 19:11.25 | Walex | Sasori: because a typical server install might take 3-5GiB. |
| 19:12.44 | Walex | Sasori: so if you filled up 20GB then you have probablu 15GB of "data", of which 7.4GB was you mail inbox. Perhaps the remaining 7-8GB would be web pages or databases or images or whatever else your server is designed to serve. |
| 19:13.29 | Walex | Sasori: so you may want to have a look at how much stuff you got under '/var/' that you might want to backup... |
| 19:13.48 | Sasori | In var now without the qmail: 8,7 G |
| 19:13.54 | markybob | any op around to update /topic for 8.4/7.10 ? |
| 19:14.07 | Walex | Sasori: als also check '/srv/' if you got it. |
| 19:14.29 | Walex | Sasori: for '/var/' that's pretty huge. You may have pretty large logs. |
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| 19:15.20 | Walex | Sasori: try 'du -xm --max-depth=3 /var/ | sort -n | tail -10' to get an idea of what's inside '/var/' |
| 19:15.22 | Sasori | Not really... |
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| 19:15.29 | Sasori | the other problem is /var/www/vhosts |
| 19:15.32 | Sasori | i have all pages here... |
| 19:15.33 | jmcnaught | Sasori: if /var/qmail used 7.4G in a month you could have a problem with your qmail configuration |
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| 19:15.45 | Sasori | no no, i migrate other server |
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| 19:15.50 | Sasori | XDD |
| 19:17.26 | Walex | Sasori: how sad would you be if '/var/www/' and '/var/qmail/' were lost? |
| 19:18.04 | hexnewbie | Sasori: Is your actual mail going in /var/qmail, or is just your queue there? |
| 19:18.15 | Sasori | yes |
| 19:18.22 | Sasori | But I moved it to /home |
| 19:18.27 | Sasori | Now i have the qmail in /home |
| 19:18.35 | Sasori | and with df -h i have more space... |
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| 19:18.51 | Sasori | But I hate it, what I must to do? move /var/www to home too? |
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| 19:19.37 | Walex | Sasori: that would be good too. But make backups... |
| 19:19.44 | Sasori | yes, sure |
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| 19:21.37 | Walex | Sasori: a good convention is to separate the system stuff, which you can reinstall, from the data stuff, which you cannot, and must backup,; putting the data stuff in '/home' is good enough, and then symlink or mount from the original locations or reconfigure 'qmail' or your web system with the new path. |
| 19:22.36 | Sasori | uhm thanks then |
| 19:22.44 | Sasori | i will do it |
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| 19:24.05 | zleap | hi, My jessie install on a dell10v netbook is saying that xscreensaver is seriously out of date, not that it matters but is this something I should report as a bug as it comes up with a message when logging in |
| 19:24.42 | markybob | zleap: there's already a bug report https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703 and no. don't worry about it. |
| 19:24.43 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/819703 in xscreensaver (open, patch): «xscreensaver: please disable "This version of XScreenSaver is very old! Please upgrade!" message»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-04-01; last modified: 2016-04-02. |
| 19:24.56 | zleap | ok, thanks |
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| 19:36.32 | meseira | hi |
| 19:37.45 | meseira | i have a mail server that work perfectly well and i am trying to send mail with ssmtp through it but it fails |
| 19:37.54 | meseira | the logs are always the same: |
| 19:37.56 | meseira | Creating SSL connection to host |
| 19:38.04 | meseira | SSL connection using (null) |
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| 19:38.19 | meseira | Cannot open [my.mail.server]:587 |
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| 19:40.02 | meseira | the strange part for me is in the logs of the mail server itself. Commonly, after connect, i get "Anonymous TLS connection established from [...]" |
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| 19:40.39 | meseira | but with ssmtp, after connect, the log says "SSL_accept error from [...]" |
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| 19:41.07 | calcium_ | hey, does anyone know how to configure apparmor to work with tor browser? |
| 19:41.16 | meseira | i use starttls on port 587 with icedove and all works... i don't understand |
| 19:41.22 | meseira | any idea? |
| 19:41.47 | teraflops | meseira: do you use self-signed certificates? |
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| 19:43.59 | lukey | audacious, mplayer and smplayer refuse to output any sound on debian stretch, however when I start smplayer out of Iceweasel (via the "Video Assistant" Plugin) which is in an firejail jail, everything works perfectly. To which Package should i report this Bug? |
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| 19:47.27 | meseira | teraflops: nope, i use proper certificates |
| 19:47.38 | hexnewbie | lukey: Before reporting a bug, you should check what the output of mplayer in a terminal is. |
| 19:47.39 | meseira | delivered by Gandi |
| 19:49.22 | jmcnaught | meseira: what program has the problem then? are you using some sort of nullmailer or an MTA configured to relay all mail? |
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| 19:50.05 | lukey | hexnewbie, It tries to connect to Pulse, ALSA and SDL but fails. |
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| 19:50.30 | jmcnaught | lukey: are you using pulseaudio? also there's a channel for stretch/unstable support #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:50.40 | hexnewbie | lukey: Does pulseaudio (or something else occupying the sound card) happen to be running inside that firejail? |
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| 19:52.12 | meseira | jmcnaught: on the mail server, MTA is postfix |
| 19:53.25 | meseira | again, everything works well with other mail senders (i can send mail from python for example), it seems to me that the problem comes from how ssmtp talks to the mail server |
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| 19:53.56 | jmcnaught | meseira: oh, i see "ssmtp" is the name of the program you're using to send mail. Personally I also use Postfix for this, configured like so: http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#null_client |
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| 19:54.55 | jmcnaught | meseira: if you're connecting over submission port you'll want to configure Postfix to use smtp authentication, and configure smtp auth maps |
| 19:55.00 | meseira | jmcnaught: yes, i know but i wanted to try ssmtp because it was lighter |
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| 19:55.24 | lukey | hexnewbie, No only iceweasel ,plugin_container and smplayer. Could it be some Configuration file? Because many ffiles aren't accessible ffrom the jail |
| 19:55.25 | sohail | Is there a way to add a repository key as part of a debian package? |
| 19:55.39 | sohail | normally people do wget $url | sudo apt-get add - |
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| 19:56.07 | sohail | I'm doing the above in my postinst and I was wondering if there is a better approach so I don't need a postinst |
| 19:56.29 | hexnewbie | lukey: Note that iceweasel, plugin_container and smplayer can each (independently or simultaneously with dmix) occupy the soundcard, disallowing anyone outside of the jail to use it. |
| 19:56.33 | jmcnaught | meseira: Postfix is also pretty light when run this way. Before switching to Postfix as a nullmailer, i was using msmtp-mta which is a lot like ssmtp (I may have also tried ssmtp, but it was years ago) |
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| 19:57.43 | lukey | hexnewbie, Of cource i'm only using/testing one player at a time. |
| 19:57.56 | jmcnaught | sohail: you could look at the debian-archive-keyring package as an example |
| 19:58.20 | teraflops | meseira: yeah ssmpt is a bit weird imo I just use postfix in relay mode. |
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| 19:58.45 | jmcnaught | sohail: however that's sort of a chicken and egg problem. it works for debian-archive-keyring because that packages is on the installer cd. |
| 19:59.30 | hexnewbie | lukey: fgrep subdevices_ /proc/asound/card*/*/info |
| 19:59.42 | sohail | jmcnaught: ok I'll check it out |
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| 19:59.55 | TheFlipside | hey can someone tell me why cron reports to me that this script which i put into etc/cron.hourly/raidstatus keeps exiting with return code 1? http://hastebin.com/ferexoqahi.bash |
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| 20:00.37 | hexnewbie | lukey: Your card will show for subdevices_avail = subdevices_count if nobody is using it, and > 0 if anyone else can use it. |
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| 20:01.25 | meseira | jmcnaught: thx, i did not know msmtp, i will look at it |
| 20:01.27 | lukey | hexnewbie, Shows 1 for everyhing |
| 20:02.05 | hexnewbie | lukey: Can you pastebin output of mplayer (taken right after you saw that everything is 1) |
| 20:02.22 | teraflops | meseira: if you only want to send emails via your remote smtp server msmtp is fine |
| 20:02.33 | meseira | teraflops: yep, i am more familiar with postfix too but ssmtp seemed to be a good solution... |
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| 20:03.06 | jmcnaught | meseira: if you decide to do this with Postfix, here is what my /etc/postfix/main.cf looks like on my desktop: http://paste.debian.net/423393/ Note that I'm using virtual_alias_maps because alias_maps doesn't work when used with relayhost. |
| 20:03.24 | teraflops | meseira: it is I guess |
| 20:03.27 | hexnewbie | lukey: If you have .asoundrc, you may try moving it out of the way for a few moments to check if it isn't causing trouble |
| 20:03.27 | lukey | hexnewbie, http://paste.debian.net/423394/ |
| 20:03.37 | sinetek | hey guys, stretch won't install here, problem with systemd, citing ground "input" already exists |
| 20:03.46 | sinetek | group* |
| 20:03.58 | markybob | sinetek: which installer are you using? |
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| 20:04.07 | meseira | jmcnaught: thx |
| 20:04.17 | sinetek | markybob: the current net installer |
| 20:04.37 | markybob | sinetek: which? alpha 5 testing installer? |
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| 20:04.56 | lukey | hexnewbie, And here the log of smplayer inside the firejail: http://paste.debian.net/423395/ |
| 20:04.59 | meseira | jmcnaught, teraflops: i am going to try with msmtp, i am bored to waste my time with ssmtp ;-) |
| 20:05.03 | hexnewbie | lukey: Does it work with: mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0,0 |
| 20:05.08 | sinetek | markybob: yes that is the one, on amd64 |
| 20:05.10 | teraflops | meseira: heh |
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| 20:05.21 | hexnewbie | lukey: Assuming that 0,0 is your card |
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| 20:05.41 | markybob | sinetek: don't do that. that's not meant to install testing. it's meant to simply test the installer itself. the way to install testing is to use the stable installer then dist-upgrade |
| 20:05.43 | lukey | hexnewbie, Yes! |
| 20:05.58 | lukey | hexnewbie, Cool. Ty |
| 20:06.17 | markybob | sinetek: also testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic |
| 20:07.03 | hexnewbie | lukey: OK, so both inside and outside your jail you are configured to use PulseAudio, and if PulseAudio isn't available sound isn't playing. For some reason it's working inside, and it's ot working outside. Could be a bug in pulseaudio, misconfiguration of pulseaudio, or maybe it's impossible to run PA in both places at once |
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| 20:07.53 | hexnewbie | lukey: My guess is PA is running inside, and if you kill it, sound will start playing outside, but that's just a guess :) |
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| 20:08.08 | sinetek | markybob: i tried that first but my system bombed, and would cycle in a weird loop on boot |
| 20:08.31 | sinetek | i have terrible luck with stretch |
| 20:08.42 | markybob | sinetek: ask #debian-next they might know of a weird bug. this is for stable |
| 20:08.54 | sinetek | ok. too lazy to join another server though |
| 20:08.58 | sinetek | thanks |
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| 20:11.08 | lukey | hexnewbie, PA is in the LXDE autostart |
| 20:12.13 | hexnewbie | lukey: Does the problem persist over reboot? |
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| 20:13.01 | sinetek | what's the best way to get a recent (4.4 || 4.5) kernel on stable? |
| 20:13.10 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 20:13.11 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.5.0-trunk-686-pae (4.5-1~exp1); sid: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); stretch: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.4.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.4.6-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1) |
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| 20:13.19 | sinetek | shoudl i mess with pinning? |
| 20:13.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sinetek about jessie backports |
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| 20:14.01 | meseira | jmcnaught, teraflops: arg... same thing with msmtp :-( |
| 20:14.03 | lukey | hexnewbie, Yes. Just tried "firejail --name=firefox mplayer downloads/FlightOfDragons.mp4" and that works. |
| 20:14.11 | teraflops | Hmm if youre in skylake Id give a shot to 4.5 |
| 20:14.23 | meseira | msmtp: TLS handshake failed: the operation timed out |
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| 20:14.44 | meseira | the same "SSL_accept error" in the mail server logs |
| 20:14.48 | markybob | abrotman: updated the topic while you're around? |
| 20:14.49 | teraflops | meseira: then I guess is something in your side. |
| 20:15.09 | meseira | teraflops: this is what i am also realizing :-/ |
| 20:15.11 | abrotman | jeez, so needy |
| 20:15.16 | markybob | :P |
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| 20:15.40 | abrotman | did anyone create 7.10 or 8.4 factoids? |
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| 20:16.02 | markybob | abrotman: i don't know. i just recently got the mailist notice |
| 20:16.12 | abrotman | bah ... i don't want tocreate real factoids .. |
| 20:17.08 | teraflops | meseira: i find msmtp/ssmtp entries in archwiki sane enough. |
| 20:18.17 | meseira | teraflops: yep, they are very similar |
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| 20:22.02 | *** topic/#debian by abrotman -> glibc security update? /msg dpkg libc6_bug | Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.3; /msg dpkg 7.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 20:22.54 | abrotman | everyone happy now? |
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| 20:23.44 | markybob | abrotman: i didn't ask you to have my baby :/ |
| 20:23.48 | markybob | heh |
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| 20:25.09 | teraflops | meseira: hmm what are you running in the local and remote servers? maybe openssl versions mismatch the cipher is not supported or whatever |
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| 20:26.29 | lukey | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.29 | teraflops | meseira: also take a look at man msmtp and less for tls_trust_file |
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| 20:30.37 | meseira | teraflops: tls_trust_file is ok and openssl version is 1.0.1k-3+deb8u4 on both side |
| 20:31.23 | teraflops | ah nvm then |
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| 20:32.39 | meseira | teraflops: the point that i don't understand is why icedove (or any other mail sender) get an Anonymous TLS connection when ssmtp/msmtp receive SSL_accept error |
| 20:33.14 | meseira | there should be only TLS stuff, isn't it? |
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| 20:34.24 | teraflops | meseira: I wonder if your certs are fine, in some clients you can accept a cert with warnings and then the client remembers the settings |
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| 20:35.05 | teraflops | meseira: are you using port 25? |
| 20:35.29 | teraflops | meseira: mail is hard to debug |
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| 20:36.13 | meseira | teraflops: no, port is 587 |
| 20:36.27 | meseira | teraflops: definitely, mail is hell |
| 20:36.30 | teraflops | heh |
| 20:37.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | chain mail for sure |
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| 20:44.45 | meseira | teraflops: arf, maybe i get this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785135 |
| 20:44.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/785135 in msmtp (closed): «msmtp stopped working due to TLS issues on jessie»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-05-12; last modified: 2015-06-30. |
| 20:45.39 | meseira | teraflops: i have to check it with stretch packages... but for now, i have to eat ;-) |
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| 20:45.42 | meseira | bbl |
| 20:45.50 | teraflops | meseira: ah hmm |
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| 20:52.42 | markybob | meseira: you are talking about ssb, right? |
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| 20:52.58 | markybob | ,checkbackport msmtp |
| 20:52.59 | judd | Backporting package msmtp in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 20:53.25 | abrotman | meseira: does your server require TLS? Does it work if you leave STARTTLS unchecked? |
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| 20:56.07 | teraflops | im curious about that bug im going to try msmtp in a jessie vm |
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| 20:59.09 | darkblue_b | hi all - as the years go by, once again I return to the Debian system for lessons .. along with our projects two DD's, I saw more of the Debian process in the last six months than I had in the past.. now I have questions.. |
| 20:59.41 | darkblue_b | I am wondering about the Theory and Practice of making a signed collection of digital material.. |
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| 21:01.02 | darkblue_b | the larger picture.. the identity of the signer, the ability to sign, the signing, recording the signing and retrieving the sequence by another long after it occurs |
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| 21:02.56 | darkblue_b | any references on that, pointers among the overwhelming amounts of reading, would be great |
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| 21:04.57 | meseira | markybob: what is ssb? |
| 21:05.07 | markybob | !tell meseira about ssb |
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| 21:06.04 | meseira | abrotman: my server should only require starttls (this is what i configured and the only thing i need to configure my clients: icedove, phone, ...) |
| 21:06.25 | meseira | abrotman: leaving starttls leads to "msmtp: TLS handshake failed: An unexpected TLS packet was received." |
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| 21:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | darkblue_b, there is a channel for helping new people with packaging and becoming a dd... I guess if nobody can answer here you might ask there... it's #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:16.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | darkblue_b, I guess you have looked at the new maintainer guide at http://deb.li/3DiDA |
| 21:16.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'm not sure there is really a lot written down in that direction |
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| 21:17.16 | stakewinner00 | someone knows why if i put a soft link in /etc/networks/if-pre-up.d to my script for iptables it don't works, but if it's a hard link it woorks. |
| 21:17.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you need to get your key signed by someone else (or severyl such people) confirming that it's you... and then there is the technical side of signing the packages which you have to configure |
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| 21:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | stakewinner00, all file names are hard links to the actual file. when you make a 2nd hard link to the file it is just as good for anything as the original one |
| 21:20.51 | teraflops | meseira: msmtp works fine here :P |
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| 21:21.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/networks is a file, not a directory |
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| 21:22.03 | teraflops | meseira: doing starttls with my own email server and sending emails to google and live.com |
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| 21:22.10 | teraflops | shrugs |
| 21:22.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflops, karma |
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| 21:23.06 | teraflops | jessie in both sides and my email server certificates are from letsencrypt |
| 21:24.42 | teraflops | hmm it took me like 5 minutes setting it up, and i like it since exim4 gets uninstalled and msmtp takes care or email system with a simple /etc/aliases for managing account aliases |
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| 21:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | email is an unsolved problem for me :-/ |
| 21:28.11 | teraflops | heh |
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| 21:28.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | for example... all email clients suck |
| 21:29.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | haven't tried thunderbird, though |
| 21:29.13 | teraflops | meseira: sasl_method=PLAIN, for smtp and TLS session for imap |
| 21:29.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you'd think after some decades of email... |
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| 21:32.05 | darkblue_b | CutMeOwnThroat: it says #debian-mentors is invite-only |
| 21:32.19 | darkblue_b | .. I am bounced if I join now with my registered nick |
| 21:32.29 | darkblue_b | maybe I should ping our DDs |
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| 21:33.26 | teraflops | CutMeOwnThroat: I guess it depends on the volume of emails you get and how picky the customer can be. spam can be a nightmare but I guess if you set it up properly from the beginning youre fine |
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| 21:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | darkblue_b, it helps if you read what I said to the end of the line :) |
| 21:34.32 | mijk | hi, where's the best place to put in a ln on system startup? |
| 21:34.43 | teraflops | darkblue_b: #debian-mentors in oftc server not freenode if im right |
| 21:34.53 | darkblue_b | oh hm |
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| 21:35.22 | darkblue_b | .. irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflops, it's not even so much spam... a moderate lot of automated/semi-automated emails that can be mostly but not fully ignored |
| 21:37.29 | teraflops | mijk: sorry I don't understand your question |
| 21:38.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe I should spend some more time to make more filtering rules... but... automatically putting stuff somewhere where I don't see it may make things worse, not better |
| 21:38.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, also some work newsletters/memos most of which can be completely ignored, but some can suddenly be vital |
| 21:38.48 | mijk | I want to create a symbolic link on system startup |
| 21:38.56 | mijk | should I put it in rc.local? |
| 21:39.01 | teraflops | CutMeOwnThroat: u can setup aliases to have all the I-must-read email centralized in one account or things like that |
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| 21:39.32 | teraflops | mijk: hmm, you want to start a service at boot? a custom script? |
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| 21:40.39 | mijk | just a simple ln -s |
| 21:40.42 | mijk | so a script I guess |
| 21:41.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | as a user or as root |
| 21:41.16 | teraflops | mijk: sorry a symlink at boot sounds weird, anyway you can still use rc.local if you wanr |
| 21:41.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is it going to link |
| 21:41.18 | teraflops | wnat |
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| 21:41.29 | teraflops | want*! |
| 21:41.55 | teraflops | mijk: or just write a simple systemd-unit |
| 21:42.17 | mijk | it's linking 2 folders to my /var/www/html folder |
| 21:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | why does it have to happen every boot? symlinks stay over reboots |
| 21:42.56 | teraflops | heh |
| 21:43.24 | teraflops | mijk: is that thing meant to be run only one time? |
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| 21:43.58 | mijk | CutMeOwnThroat: really? lol show's how much I know :) |
| 21:44.03 | teraflops | heh |
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| 21:44.24 | mijk | well, sorry for the n00b question |
| 21:44.33 | teraflops | mijk: np |
| 21:45.50 | mijk | thanks |
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| 21:45.52 | teraflops | mijk: also symlinks are gross, you want to serve web content located outside /var/www, you can specify the /root of the files so theres no need of doing symlinks |
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| 21:53.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | why are symlinks gross |
| 21:54.19 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: probably a windows user |
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| 21:54.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 21:54.35 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: where there's like 100 different kinds of them, none of them compatible with each other |
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| 22:04.38 | phanes_ | hello. does jessie have fglrx? |
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| 22:05.32 | bazhang | ,v fglrx |
| 22:05.33 | judd | No package named 'fglrx' was found in amd64. |
| 22:06.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions fglrx-driver |
| 22:06.16 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1:12-3-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.12-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 1:15.12-2 |
| 22:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, fglrx |
| 22:06.34 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop of Debian 8 "Jessie" due to lack of EGL support (ref. §5.11 <jessie release notes>), use the <radeon> driver instead. |
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| 22:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | phanes_, ^^^ |
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| 22:09.53 | transhuman_ | hi! I am trying to setup AWESOME windows manager and Xorg its wierd but what I have created in .xinitrc is being replaced by a bunch of XML code and the first line reads CANNOT OPEN !DOCTYPE: no such file what the heck is all that about? Is this a bug ? Never seen it before! |
| 22:10.25 | phanes_ | i dont want and wont use the radeon driver because it is subpar for any imaginable use besides flagshipping open source initiatives in magazine articles, so is it that it has issues in gnome but its available, so radeonhd is suggested, or is it that we haven't gotten fglrx working yet with other DE's in jessie? |
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| 22:12.55 | phanes_ | also, lol@gnome. i suspect only distro maintainers still use it. |
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| 22:14.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnome is the default DE so probably a fair amount of people use it |
| 22:14.57 | phanes_ | i always chuckle when i see people in training still using it |
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| 22:15.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't know if *you* can understand the 5-line sentence you said before that, I can't |
| 22:15.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | why? can't everyone use what they want? |
| 22:15.59 | phanes_ | long story short, radeonhd is a great initiative, its that message in a bottle in the ocean floating to F/OSS initiative success, but its a subpar driver still and i need fglrx |
| 22:16.24 | phanes_ | it is why i am shopping distros currently, was looking at debian |
| 22:16.35 | phanes_ | also looking at ubuntu, but theyve got networking/routing issues |
| 22:17.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | transhuman_, if you use gdm3 or somesuch for login, you can just choose what WM/DE is started |
| 22:17.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | last time I heard radeon became pretty good |
| 22:19.06 | meseira | teraflops: ok, thx for the tests |
| 22:19.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | but anyway, yes, there is fglrx and you could have seen that here: http://packages.debian.org/fglrx |
| 22:19.33 | meseira | teraflops: i don't know what is going wrong with my mail server... |
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| 22:20.13 | phanes_ | CutMeOwnThroat: no thats what i mean, they're misrepresenting the project in the announcements, it is still not a very usable driver except for showcasing if you have to actually use the machine for anything, even simple things like browsing the web |
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| 22:20.57 | phanes_ | ive been using it for the last 2 months when support died for it for fedora |
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| 22:21.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't care. and I heard it here from people who have to use it. |
| 22:21.06 | teraflops | meseira: I do sasl in my postfix perhaps youre missing somethint in the ~/.msmtp config file that suits your postfix config |
| 22:21.07 | phanes_ | and i am so tired of it that im changing distros |
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| 22:22.00 | phanes_ | heh. well, i cant beat your religion with my reality, i really was just inquiring if fglrx was available. i dont use gnome. |
| 22:22.03 | teraflops | thing* |
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| 22:23.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I answered you. you can skip any comments about religion, you seem to have an agenda, I don't CARE if radeon is good or not, but I may just trust other people's opionion that I know more than 1 minute more than yours |
| 22:24.04 | meseira | teraflops: i do sasl too |
| 22:24.17 | teraflops | meseira: here https://ptpb.pw/5sJD.png |
| 22:24.18 | meseira | teraflops: i don't see what i am doing wrong |
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| 22:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'll care if it's good enough for me or not when I have an ati card, which I don't |
| 22:25.31 | teraflops | meseira: I dont see a single warning neither on the smstp nor the postfix |
| 22:25.52 | meseira | teraflops: i just tried to configure msmtp to send mail with my gmail account and it works... but the recipient server (not mine, a working one) reject the mail |
| 22:26.11 | jmcnaught | phanes_: i played some first person shooters at 1080p using the radeon driver in wheezy, i wouldn't discount it right away. also it'll integrate better with the rest of your linux distro |
| 22:26.12 | teraflops | meseira: hmm |
| 22:26.42 | meseira | teraflops: i think that i will just forget these light mail senders, it could be nice but too cryptic to me :-( |
| 22:26.46 | phanes_ | i wont use it anymore or justify fglrx, it justifies itself |
| 22:26.53 | phanes_ | is it available? |
| 22:27.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I fucking told you twice now |
| 22:27.27 | teraflops | meseira: heh I told you hours ago that I'm fine doing postfix in relay mode :p |
| 22:27.39 | meseira | thx for spending time on my problem, i am going to think about all this stuff during the night ;-) |
| 22:27.44 | phanes_ | doh. it is. sorry about that, small screen. im in emergency mode. |
| 22:27.53 | meseira | teraflops:yeah and you were definitely right :-) |
| 22:27.53 | teraflops | meseira: nah np |
| 22:28.07 | meseira | teraflops:gn |
| 22:28.15 | teraflops | gn there too |
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| 22:33.33 | IAT | hi |
| 22:33.52 | IAT | how do i get kali linux's tools in debian 8? |
| 22:36.36 | teraflops | IAT: install it in a VM? |
| 22:36.56 | IAT | I have my lappy with me, no need for vm! |
| 22:37.26 | nebg | hello everyone... does anybody know if it's possible and good to do to create man pages for personal documentation ? for example my summaries ? and if there is something that automates it ? i mean something that let me define sections etc... |
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| 22:38.19 | lukey | nebg, better use an wiki |
| 22:38.28 | nebg | lukey, ok like ? |
| 22:40.15 | teraflops | IAT: then install from debian repos all the available tools, and grab the rest from their respective sources and patch/compile/install them, also maybe you need a more up to date kernel than the stock kernel from jessie |
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| 22:45.16 | lukey | nebg, i dunno. I would go for this one: https://github.com/jimenezrick/wi-wiki But you'd have to setup an webserver(like lighttpd) by yourself. or Tkwiki. You can compare the different wikis here: http://www.wikimatrix.org/ |
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| 23:23.14 | MrFrood | nebg: man pages can created using groff - as far as automation goes... isn't that what shell scripting was invented for? |
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| 23:29.12 | markybob | is there any kind of image recognition software for debian? i have many tens of thousands of images from weddings (wife is a photographer) and it'd be nice to be able to search for a face and find it |
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| 23:29.59 | Guest78521 | Hello, jmcnaught, TomTomTosch! I return from the other day |
| 23:30.20 | Guest78521 | I upgraded to stretch, and that fixed the wifi issue |
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| 23:30.56 | Guest78521 | but now I'm getting CPU soft lockup errors and things just randomly crash |
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| 23:31.28 | markybob | Guest78521: random crashes happen in testing. it's testing. btw, testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 23:32.34 | Guest78521 | But googling around, it seems this is a common issue, not just on testing, with Skylake processors (or maybe certain nvidia graphics cards?) |
| 23:32.44 | Guest78521 | I haven't found a solution anywhere though |
| 23:33.37 | markybob | Guest78521: for skylake you really need 4.5. but you're still in the wrong place |
| 23:33.58 | Guest78521 | Alright. Well, thank you! |
| 23:35.03 | markybob | Guest78521: seriously though...compile 4.5. should fix your problem |
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| 23:39.36 | slact | hi, i'm the author of an nginx module included in the nginx-extras package. I've made a lot of updates to it, including security fixes and new features, and i've contacted the maintainer of the nginx package via email about it over a month ago. however, i haven't received a response. what should i do? |
| 23:39.55 | slact | (the module in question is the nginx http push module, known today as nchan) |
| 23:41.22 | markybob | slact: hrm. i'd probably try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:41.31 | markybob | i don't know |
| 23:41.34 | slact | will do, thanks |
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| 23:47.39 | Guest78521 | markybob: Alright, thank you! I'm just grabbing the ubuntu 4.5 kernel from here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.5-wily/ |
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| 23:48.03 | wodim | starts to sweat |
| 23:48.07 | markybob | !tell Guest78521 about dontbreakdebian |
| 23:48.49 | markybob | i mean just the kernel will probably be fine. i don't know. i don't touch ubuntu stuff |
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