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| 00:30.39 | bkpark | hi |
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| 00:36.35 | andril | hey bkpark :) |
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| 00:44.39 | warsoul | hello |
| 00:44.47 | warsoul | whats the command to update in debian? |
| 00:44.54 | abrotman | update what? |
| 00:45.08 | abrotman | warsoul: ? |
| 00:45.16 | warsoul | has been a long time i dont use it |
| 00:45.22 | warsoul | i want to update |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | update what? the packges? the kernel? the PCI database? Flash? Your BIOS? |
| 00:45.47 | abrotman | to the next version? |
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| 00:45.52 | warsoul | i want to update everything |
| 00:46.21 | markybob | warsoul: you update the list of packages with sudo apt-get update. you then upgrade the packages with sudo apt-get upgrade. unless you want to go to a new release. then you read the docs and edit sources.list |
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| 00:46.58 | warsoul | is there a new release? |
| 00:47.12 | markybob | warsoul: i don't know what you're using so i can't answer that |
| 00:47.41 | TomTomTosch | warsoul, check your release with lsb_release -a |
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| 00:48.20 | warsoul | is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 00:48.34 | abrotman | you don't need sudo |
| 00:48.36 | markybob | warsoul: do you have the root password? |
| 00:48.44 | abrotman | you can run lsb_release -a as a user |
| 00:48.48 | warsoul | markybob how can i check what i have |
| 00:48.54 | abrotman | you can run lsb_release -a as a user |
| 00:48.55 | warsoul | yes i have the root passwd |
| 00:49.14 | abrotman | you can run lsb_release -a as a user |
| 00:49.28 | warsoul | how? |
| 00:49.38 | abrotman | in a terminal, like any other command |
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| 00:49.46 | abrotman | how were you going to use it with sudo? |
| 00:49.52 | warsoul | whats the command |
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| 00:50.05 | TomTomTosch | lsb_release -a |
| 00:50.17 | abrotman | slides a desk aronud the channel |
| 00:50.35 | warsoul | Distributor ID:Debian |
| 00:50.35 | warsoul | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.1 (jessie) |
| 00:50.36 | warsoul | Release:8.1 |
| 00:50.36 | warsoul | Codename:jessie |
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| 00:51.03 | TomTomTosch | warsoul, the release would have been enough :P |
| 00:51.21 | TomTomTosch | warsoul, you need to update and upgrade like markybob said. |
| 00:51.24 | markybob | warsoul: so do what i said. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade as root (since you don't have sudo) |
| 00:51.56 | warsoul | ok |
| 00:51.57 | TomTomTosch | warsoul, your release will be 8.4 afterwards. |
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| 00:52.11 | warsoul | how do i log in as root |
| 00:52.20 | TomTomTosch | su |
| 00:53.17 | warsoul | thanks guys |
| 00:53.48 | abrotman | he'll likely need a dist-upgrade in there also, some will probably be held back |
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| 00:55.27 | markybob | maybe. one step at a time. i'm glad we got su out of the way. |
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| 01:01.28 | warsoul | should i do dist-upgrade? |
| 01:01.46 | markybob | warsoul: did upgrade leave packages behind? |
| 01:02.00 | warsoul | yes |
| 01:02.14 | markybob | warsoul: go to paste.debian.net and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list please |
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| 01:07.51 | warsoul | /etc/apt/sources.list: Not a directory |
| 01:08.08 | markybob | warsoul: it's not. it's a file |
| 01:08.20 | warsoul | ok |
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| 01:10.29 | warsoul | markybob http://paste.debian.net/423995/ |
| 01:10.54 | markybob | warsoul: yes that looks fine. do a dist-upgrade |
| 01:11.00 | warsoul | ok |
| 01:11.02 | warsoul | thanks |
| 01:11.14 | dvs | markybob, delete line 7? |
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| 01:11.45 | markybob | dvs: i would but it doesn't really matter and i was feeling lazy |
| 01:11.56 | dvs | heh |
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| 01:14.25 | warsoul | dist-upgrade |
| 01:14.28 | warsoul | bash: dist-upgrade: command not found |
| 01:14.50 | markybob | warsoul: no. it's apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:15.19 | warsoul | done |
| 01:15.47 | warsoul | thanks |
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| 01:19.19 | awal1 | !laugh at warsoul |
| 01:19.19 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! warsoul just cracks me up! |
| 01:19.56 | TomTomTosch | not everyone is an admin. |
| 01:20.12 | awal1 | thats true |
| 01:20.44 | awal1 | I just like dpkg answers :) |
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| 01:21.32 | markybob | yeah being a bully is hilarious |
| 01:22.50 | warsoul | !laugh at awall |
| 01:22.50 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! awall just cracks me up! |
| 01:25.53 | awal1 | warsoul, you can play with dpkg, or ask him about debian system stuff. just run /msg dpkg whatyouwant |
| 01:26.14 | warsoul | thank you awal1 |
| 01:26.59 | Revian1 | Hmm.. Window Maker is quite nice. |
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| 01:28.19 | henjl | ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 01:28.47 | awal1 | Revian1, it would be nicer if it have panel autohide feature. I misss that |
| 01:29.22 | Revian1 | awal1: Yes, that would be a nice feature |
| 01:29.58 | Revian1 | I was running Mint, and today I found a live cd called WMlive-Debian. |
| 01:30.17 | awal1 | no idea |
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| 01:30.31 | Revian1 | The debian devs deserve a medal, this thing is rock-solid |
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| 01:31.00 | awal1 | is it an official debian live image? Revian1 |
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| 01:31.07 | Revian1 | awal1: It's basically Debian Jessie with Window Maker as the default WM |
| 01:31.16 | Revian1 | I doubt it's official |
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| 01:31.35 | awal1 | not official for sure... |
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| 01:32.41 | awal1 | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=wmlive |
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| 01:34.17 | abrotman | that's not Debian |
| 01:34.45 | Revian1 | That's the one, it's based on Debian Jessie |
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| 02:48.28 | duser | recently i do apt-get update/ upgrade pkgs. but my gnome terminal cursor no long blinks, that increases difficulty in finding the current pos in terminal. any way to enable cursor blink again? |
| 02:48.44 | duser | the command to launch terminal is `gnome-terminal` only. |
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| 02:50.40 | liubingxu | hello |
| 02:57.20 | bkpark | duser: this post is describing something similar to what you are seeing. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2000579&s=7170f8642c8f4de7a488ad6fc99f3b0e&p=12419874#post12419874 |
| 02:57.39 | bkpark | does "setterm -cursor on" work to turn the cursor on? |
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| 03:08.02 | duser | bkpark: thanks. That works! |
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| 03:35.49 | b0t | Hello, i cant apt-get --purge remove sendmail-base |
| 03:36.18 | b0t | Im receive a error -> dpkg: error processing sendmail-base (--purge): |
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| 03:37.57 | jmcnaught | b0t: can you put the command and complete output on https://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 03:38.55 | b0t | -> http://pastebin.com/3W1GSYXP |
| 03:39.06 | b0t | Check |
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| 03:41.51 | jmcnaught | b0t: in the future please use the debian paste site linked to :) are there any new files in that /usr/share/bug/sendmail-cf directory? it looks like it's also complaining that the users it would delete are already gone, did you remove them yourself earlier? |
| 03:42.00 | rommel092079 | good day. I have a domain name. How can I create a subdomain like mail.yahoo.com ? |
| 03:42.02 | b0t | Ok |
| 03:42.30 | nevyn | rommel092079: is the domain name you have yahoo.com? if not you can't |
| 03:42.45 | rommel092079 | no. just an example |
| 03:43.03 | jmcnaught | rommel092079: if you host your own DNS, you add the subdomain in a zone file, at least with bind9. If you have some company hosting your DNS, you do it on their control panel |
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| 03:43.05 | rommel092079 | like i have rsebrokerage.com |
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| 03:43.13 | b0t | I dont know jmcnaught, i cant use rm -R with the directory? |
| 03:43.29 | rommel092079 | i see. |
| 03:44.05 | jmcnaught | b0t: you don't want to see what's in there first? |
| 03:44.51 | jmcnaught | b0t: is the package still listed when you run "aptitude search ~c" ? |
| 03:45.28 | b0t | Yes -> cp sendmail-base |
| 03:45.31 | jmcnaught | b0t: did you manually delete the smmta and smmsp users? |
| 03:45.59 | b0t | No, i dont |
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| 03:48.21 | jmcnaught | b0t: i'm not very familiar with sendmail-base, but there will be a postrm script at /var/lib/dpkg/info/sendmail-base.postrm, this is the script that your system is trying to run to purge the package. You can read it to see what it's trying to do. |
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| 03:52.32 | b0t | I need delete the file manually? |
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| 03:55.21 | jmcnaught | b0t: you might end up needing to do that. curiously apt-file is telling me that the directory /usr/share/bug/sendmail-cf is owned by the sendmail-cf package, not sendmail-base. |
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| 03:55.49 | jmcnaught | b0t: what does "apt-policy sendmail-cf sendmail-base" say? http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 03:56.46 | b0t | nice, im remove sendmail-cf and after remove sendmail-base and work |
| 03:56.48 | b0t | Thanks |
| 03:57.22 | b0t | Apt-policy: command not found |
| 03:57.59 | markybob | b0t: it's apt-cache policy |
| 03:58.23 | jmcnaught | heh sorry |
| 03:58.53 | markybob | jmcnaught: we all need beer time ;) |
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| 03:59.47 | b0t | Http://paste.debian.net/424022/ |
| 03:59.53 | b0t | -> http://paste.debian.net/424022/ |
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| 04:01.24 | b0t | How to change the default email on my system? |
| 04:01.57 | b0t | I dont know to use SSMTP or sendmail |
| 04:02.09 | jmcnaught | b0t: thanks. i see now you're on wheezy which is why your postrm script is different than the one i was looking at. |
| 04:02.35 | b0t | Is a bug |
| 04:02.54 | jmcnaught | b0t: you could try reinstalling the package, and then purging it again. this should make it so everything that the postrm script wants to remove during the purge is there to delete. |
| 04:03.36 | b0t | ? sendmail-base? |
| 04:03.39 | jmcnaught | b0t: otherwise you could read the script, make sure all the stuff it removes is actually gone, and then add "exit 0" to the top of it. this is a dirty hack, but it will let the purge complete. |
| 04:03.44 | b0t | Or -cf |
| 04:04.04 | jmcnaught | b0t: according to your earlier paste it's sendmail-base that you have trouble purging |
| 04:04.19 | jmcnaught | b0t: did you look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/sendmail-base.postrm ? |
| 04:04.20 | b0t | Ok |
| 04:04.44 | b0t | No such file.... |
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| 04:06.28 | jmcnaught | b0t: any similarly named files? ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/sendmail* |
| 04:06.50 | b0t | Ls: cannot access /var/lib/dpkg/info/sendmail*: No such file or directory |
| 04:07.17 | b0t | I think to sendmail if remove all |
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| 04:08.32 | jmcnaught | b0t: you don't have a /var/lib/dpkg/info directory on your system? |
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| 04:09.06 | b0t | Ah yes, one moment |
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| 04:09.44 | b0t | Yes but not appear sendmail |
| 04:09.46 | jmcnaught | b0t: okay, but there are no files starting with "sendmail" in there? does "aptitude search ~c" still list sendmail? |
| 04:10.17 | b0t | Sed and sensible, sendmail not |
| 04:10.17 | b0t | No |
| 04:10.29 | b0t | Nope |
| 04:10.59 | b0t | Im delete with this answer https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736982#10 |
| 04:11.12 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/736982 in sendmail-base (closed): «sendmail-base: fails to purge if sendmail-cf is installed»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-01-28; last modified: 2014-03-26. |
| 04:11.15 | jmcnaught | b0t: i guess you did something then. if the aptitude search doesn't list sendmail anymore it's gone |
| 04:11.21 | b0t | "It should work if you remove (no need to purge) sendmail-cf first." |
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| 04:11.56 | b0t | Yes, its gone |
| 04:12.04 | b0t | Thanks |
| 04:12.17 | jmcnaught | b0t: thanks for sharing the steps you were doing as i helped you troubleshoot |
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| 04:12.41 | b0t | U a welc |
| 04:13.40 | b0t | Ok, now i need use my hostgator email in my vps |
| 04:14.08 | b0t | Im triying to install sendmail again |
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| 04:14.59 | jmcnaught | b0t: if you only need your VPS to send mails not receive them, and you have a hostgator mail server you can relay mail through, you should consider a simpler alternative to sendmail like ssmtp, msmtp-mta or another "null client" |
| 04:15.07 | b0t | What is best postmail or postfix? |
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| 04:16.04 | b0t | Ok i try ssmtp |
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| 04:30.17 | b0t | Nice, work fine on ssmtp, thanks jmcnaught |
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| 04:32.42 | mms_ | if I have installed postfix for mail relay and for lockfile if i install procmail will it be issue / |
| 04:32.52 | simonlnu | no |
| 04:33.00 | mms_ | I mean we have now two mail apps |
| 04:33.21 | mms_ | as such postfix service I run on boot |
| 04:33.28 | simonlnu | one is a MTA, the other is a MUA or MDA |
| 04:33.29 | mms_ | for procmail is there going to be similar service ? |
| 04:33.34 | simonlnu | !mta |
| 04:33.34 | dpkg | A Message/Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/sbin/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask me about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 04:33.44 | simonlnu | !mua |
| 04:33.44 | dpkg | methinks mua is a Mail User Agent, in other words <mailx>, <mutt>, <balsa>, <alpine>, <elm>, <icedove> (thunderbird), <kmail>, <evolution>, or any other mail client program. |
| 04:33.54 | simonlnu | mda |
| 04:34.03 | simonlnu | mail delivery agent |
| 04:34.12 | simonlnu | it gets handed mail from the mta |
| 04:34.38 | mms_ | ok so procmail gives you mailx command and postfix does the actual communication ? |
| 04:34.57 | simonlnu | no. postfix -> procmail -> mailx |
| 04:35.12 | simonlnu | mailx -> postfix (to send) |
| 04:35.22 | mms_ | correct thats what I meant |
| 04:35.46 | mms_ | mailx is from procmail package basically mail client we use on command line |
| 04:36.06 | mms_ | and postfix is from postfix package which we run as service daemon process |
| 04:36.14 | mms_ | simonlnu: ya ? |
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| 04:36.23 | mms_ | so I will then go ahead and install it without fear |
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| 04:36.30 | simonlnu | sec |
| 04:36.48 | mms_ | simonlnu: but I already have mailx command I guess on system |
| 04:37.23 | mms_ | simonlnu: then what does procmail give ? I mean which mail command line client ? |
| 04:37.46 | mms_ | looks like it gives procmail command ? |
| 04:37.54 | mms_ | which is similar to mailx ? |
| 04:38.30 | mms_ | simonlnu: ya ? |
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| 04:39.41 | mms_ | actually I came to this package in search of lockfile |
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| 04:39.54 | mms_ | I want to serialize writing to a file from shell script |
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| 04:40.21 | jmcnaught | mms_: mailx is not provided by procmail. "aptitude search ~Pmailx" will list the packages that provide mailx (which is a virtual package) |
| 04:40.34 | mms_ | jmcnaught: hi. got that. |
| 04:40.50 | Yehai | this channel logged? |
| 04:41.24 | mms_ | so to serialize writing to file from shell script I am exploring and came across lockfile / procmail package. |
| 04:41.34 | mms_ | is there simpler option than it ? |
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| 04:42.14 | Yehai | huh? |
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| 04:42.22 | mms_ | I see fcntl |
| 04:42.27 | jmcnaught | mms_: i don't see where email is part of this problem |
| 04:42.34 | jmcnaught | Yehai: yes, see the topic |
| 04:43.03 | Yehai | yes |
| 04:43.10 | mms_ | jmcnaught: I am not doing email here but since I thought procmail is for mailing and i already having postfix and mailx I was suspecting it will interfere |
| 04:43.56 | mms_ | jmcnaught: so now to actual query is i am exploring serialize writes to file from shell script |
| 04:44.11 | jmcnaught | mms_: i doubt you need procmail in order to write to a file from a script, but i don't know what you mean by serialize |
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| 04:44.42 | jmcnaught | mms_: do you mean only one process gets to write to the file at a time? |
| 04:44.47 | mms_ | jmcnaught: multiple process concurrent writes to file I want to synchronize/serialize/lock etc |
| 04:44.51 | mms_ | jmcnaught: yes |
| 04:45.06 | k_sze[work] | Is it possible to configure, in a script, the MTU of a network interface depending on what network it's on? e.g. I have a device that I bring back and forth between two networks. But the DHCP servers on those networks suck and they can't push option 26 (the MTU option). I need my device to use jumbo frames when it's on one network and no jumbo frames when it's on the other network. Is that possible? |
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| 04:45.34 | Yehai | bazhang: ppl hate you, watch when you go out |
| 04:45.59 | jmcnaught | mms_: oh, i got confused by your use of the word serialize, not familiar with that use |
| 04:46.13 | mms_ | there is another flock command flock -x local-lock-file echo 'a b c' |
| 04:46.33 | mms_ | it can also grab exclusive lock before doing that echo command |
| 04:47.32 | TomTomTosch | mms_ if you want to use semaphores in bash you shoud look into lockfile. |
| 04:47.39 | Yehai | hahhh, Butt3rfly butt files? |
| 04:48.11 | jmcnaught | Yehai: this is a tech support channel. Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 04:50.27 | simonlnu | mms_: no it's not in procmail package |
| 04:50.52 | simonlnu | mms_: it's more often used as a transport in a mta or a scripting command |
| 04:51.13 | simonlnu | mms_: procmail and mailx are 2 totally different beasts |
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| 04:52.44 | mms_ | simonlnu: I read lockfile is in procmail package |
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| 04:53.08 | jmcnaught | lockfile is in the procmail package, mailx is not |
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| 04:54.14 | jmcnaught | mms_: procmail is safe to install, it shouldn't interfere with postfix unless you configure postfix to use it. |
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| 04:59.47 | TomTomTosch | mms_ flock works too. check what syntax you like better. |
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| 05:04.27 | rommel092079 | good day guys. can somebody assist me on setting up mx record on dot.tk |
| 05:05.01 | svetlana | Hi. Please do not use this service, it is a scam, they redirect domains to an ad fest out of the blue. I was told freedns works in a more reliable way. |
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| 05:08.15 | rommel092079 | anyone ? |
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| 05:10.01 | simonlnu | freedns is also legit... |
| 05:10.34 | svetlana | I haven't seen them redirect things randomly, although I think they might die and kill the whole thing in a bit |
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| 05:11.29 | simonlnu | by definition they're "fly by night" |
| 05:12.26 | simonlnu | xserver-xorg-legacy interferes with bbswtich. on another note. |
| 05:12.32 | simonlnu | switch* |
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| 05:34.56 | ryouma | my system froze. mouse would not move. the display was static. i had to reboot. there is a string of ^@ characters (null characters maybe) in both syslog and messages where i'm guessing the error occurred. a few lines before there is this line, which seems maybe relevant? "Apr 4 21:52:27 mybox kernel: [189404.724004] Oops: 0002 [#1] SMP ". |
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| 05:35.18 | ryouma | please tell me what i can do to provide information useful to debug this |
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| 05:37.36 | simonlnu | file a bug for the kernel, using reportbug. copy/paste the entire oops msg to the report. |
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| 05:39.33 | ryouma | simonlnu: so this is likely totally a software bug? and the oops i should paste is "Apr 4 21:52:27 mybox kernel: [189404.724004] Oops: 0002 [#1] SMP"? i'm wondering if this box is creaking and groaning, or if it's just the recent jessie upgrade. |
| 05:40.05 | simonlnu | the oops is much bigger/longer than that (usually) |
| 05:40.20 | simonlnu | i'd check the hardware first |
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| 05:40.42 | simonlnu | like several pages |
| 05:41.02 | MiningInc | grawity thanks a ton. |
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| 05:41.17 | ryouma | simonlnu: how does one check hardware? smartctl seems ok |
| 05:41.54 | simonlnu | run some tests, check plugs/cables, etc. |
| 05:41.55 | ryouma | is the oops following or preceding the line i sent? |
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| 05:43.21 | simonlnu | after. you'll see a bunch of hex numbers (lines of text of kernel mem addresses and kernel functions and stuff). to the uninitiated eye it looks like gibberish |
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| 05:44.23 | simonlnu | if you don't see anything like that, it probably didn't have time to completely write the oops msg to /dev/log (syslog) |
| 05:44.56 | ryouma | when will i know when this oops ends? |
| 05:45.00 | ryouma | at the null characters? |
| 05:45.12 | simonlnu | it's pretty darn obvious |
| 05:45.22 | ryouma | i don't know when it started rebooting |
| 05:45.28 | simonlnu | those nulls tell me it's likely not all of it got copied |
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| 05:45.42 | simonlnu | the kernel timestamp tells you when it rebooted |
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| 05:45.57 | ryouma | perhaps this? "Apr 4 21:52:27 mybox kernel: [189404.853553] ---[ end trace 5ade8334b14da837 ]---" |
| 05:46.00 | simonlnu | look for the 000.XXXXXXX marks |
| 05:46.07 | simonlnu | yes, that's it |
| 05:46.16 | ryouma | the nuls are after that |
| 05:46.37 | simonlnu | (i could be wrong about it not getting all of it) |
| 05:46.53 | ryouma | i don't see anything that says kernel timestamp |
| 05:47.11 | simonlnu | no, the timestamp looks like kernel: [189404.853553] |
| 05:47.31 | simonlnu | that's time since boot |
| 05:47.36 | ryouma | it mentions my radeon. i wonder if that is related or just part of its inventory. |
| 05:47.47 | simonlnu | (in seconds and microseconds) |
| 05:48.00 | ryouma | oh ok so when it is 0 then it is rebooting? |
| 05:48.12 | simonlnu | it's starting a new boot phase |
| 05:48.27 | simonlnu | when the kernel is first active |
| 05:48.58 | ryouma | well, i'll report it i guess. maybe somebody will know whether it's hardware or just the kernel. |
| 05:49.01 | simonlnu | you'll see a bunch of PCI stuff, ACPI, PNP, etc. -- and that's later. |
| 05:49.27 | ryouma | it all looks like gibberish to me :) |
| 05:49.41 | simonlnu | is one of those odd people that likes looking at that sort of thing... |
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| 05:50.00 | ryouma | i just happened to have heard of an oops long ago so i searched for it and it was there after searching for error and warning |
| 05:50.33 | scream | "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee." |
| 05:50.47 | ryouma | what's that from? |
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| 05:51.39 | scream | that's Nietzsche. It's about reading kernel stack traces ;) |
| 05:51.51 | simonlnu | haha |
| 05:51.53 | ryouma | that philosopher was one mean coder i hear |
| 05:52.10 | simonlnu | OT alert: |
| 05:52.54 | simonlnu | i don't like a lot of what he said, he's a nihilist, but he did have some good ones once in a while </OT> |
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| 06:49.22 | alfatau | hello all. I've 2 copies of the same data onto 2 different machines. data are incremental snapshots based on hard-links. I need to check the consistence between the 2 copies through a network connection. I tried using "rsync --checksum --dry-run" but the folder contains millions of files, due to multple hard-links on the same files and so the time |
| 06:49.23 | alfatau | needed to complete the check is unacceptable. Do you know some better way to do this check? |
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| 06:51.17 | themill | alfatau: you could just use some invocation of find -type f -exec md5sum ⦠at each end and diff them; if that level of consistency is important (these are backups?) then a backup tool that maintains and can test checksums (like obnam) would be better |
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| 06:56.55 | Arch | testing testing 1..2..3.. |
| 06:57.06 | Arch | is this thing on.. |
| 06:57.24 | Arch | this red team one. |
| 06:57.37 | Arch | over do you copy:) |
| 06:57.45 | Arch | out. |
| 06:57.58 | colo-work | *crickets* |
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| 06:58.28 | Arch | roger that. |
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| 06:59.53 | henjl | [yo] |
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| 07:01.13 | alfatau | themill: yes, they're backups. The backup tool I'm using is rsync and afaik it's algorithm should check consistence... However this is a task that I need to do after having copied data from an old server. |
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| 07:04.26 | themill | checking a backup is about making sure that the files in the backup are *still* OK and is the job of the backup tool; rsync is only the tool that was used to copy the files initially. (A lack of any later validation of the backup is the main weakness of backup tools like rsync/rsnapshot etc) |
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| 07:05.21 | Arch | check check... still ok |
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| 08:46.09 | pingfloyd | themill: there's a way to do verify with rsync though |
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| 08:48.23 | pingfloyd | themill: run it a second time adding the options -cn (this works best if backing up from a snapshot of course) |
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| 09:04.32 | twied | hey folks, whom do i report a bug in the installer to? |
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| 09:16.11 | Iridos | twied, you can file installer bugs against the debian-installer pseudopackage. |
| 09:16.31 | twied | thanks |
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| 09:18.19 | Iridos | pingfloyd, hm, that's a good idea |
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| 09:19.07 | Arch | http://www.bloomberg.com/live |
| 09:19.26 | Iridos | pingfloyd, maybe... rsync already checks for consistency after copying |
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| 09:21.26 | Iridos | would be nice if it could save the checksums somewhere as it's already making them (and maybe verify against them again at a later time) |
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| 09:24.53 | k_sze[work] | Is there a nice way check if e.g. eth0 is currently in the 172.26.252.0/22 subnet? |
| 09:25.41 | k_sze[work] | I mean in a script, using command line tools. |
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| 09:26.51 | pingfloyd | Iridos: I don't think it does any kind of post-copy verfication |
| 09:26.56 | pingfloyd | Iridos: and that's the problem |
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| 09:27.12 | pingfloyd | Iridos: so running a second time does the equivalent |
| 09:27.49 | pingfloyd | Iridos: of course this depends on source files having not changed, but that is no different than with any other means of backup verification |
| 09:27.58 | Iridos | manpage says differently: |
| 09:28.02 | jno7463 | k_sze[work]: ip route | grep -w eth0 | grep -qF 172.26.252.0/22 |
| 09:28.08 | pingfloyd | Iridos: also a good argument (beyond consistency issues) for using snapshots as a source in backup |
| 09:28.13 | jno7463 | k_sze[work]: then check exit code of grep |
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| 09:28.27 | pingfloyd | Iridos: the manpage is misleading |
| 09:28.33 | Iridos | Note that rsync always verifies that each transferred file was correctly reconstructed on the receiving side by checking a whole-file checksum that is generated as the file is transferred |
| 09:28.56 | pingfloyd | Iridos: see this http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/30970/does-rsync-verify-files-copied-between-two-local-drives/66702#66702 |
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| 09:31.23 | babilen | k_sze[work]: You might want to look into tools such as saltstack or ansible |
| 09:32.07 | k_sze[work] | jno7463: but that only hold true if there is a route to 172.26.252.0/22 via eth0. eth0's IP address might not be in that range. |
| 09:32.28 | k_sze[work] | maybe grep for 'proto kernel' as well? |
| 09:32.37 | k_sze[work] | or 'scope link'? |
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| 09:35.29 | jno7463 | k_sze[work]: you're right |
| 09:35.40 | vp|2 | hello everyone, I'm having an issue reading Model-specific registers (msr module) on a Debian 7 (3.2 kernel) system, in short: I'm granting group read/write access to /dev/cpu/*/msr, and cap_sys_rawio+ep capabilities to the program but I'm still getting "open("/dev/cpu/0/msr", O_RDWR) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted", any ideas? |
| 09:36.36 | jno7463 | k_sze[work]: scope link looks good |
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| 09:45.39 | Iridos | pingfloyd, well, "that is generated as the file is transferred"... so, true, it probably doesn't read the file a 2nd time, it just makes sure there are no errors in the network transfer |
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| 10:01.35 | rommel092079 | good pm. upon install of debian, i got message missing rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw Where will I get that missing file ? |
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| 10:06.30 | themill | ,file rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw |
| 10:06.34 | judd | Search for rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw in jessie/amd64: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw |
| 10:06.36 | themill | rommel092079: ^^ |
| 10:07.01 | rommel092079 | tnx. will check it out |
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| 10:08.50 | Iridos | rommel092079, also, for generally finding files, read the factoid you get with: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 10:10.46 | rommel092079 | thanks all |
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| 10:18.57 | aricz | nm, bluetooth on ubilinux does work out of the box |
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| 10:26.01 | Arch | night |
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| 10:32.48 | pingfloyd | Iridos: yeah, i think it's for validating the transfer itself |
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| 10:33.35 | pingfloyd | Iridos: so it covers the potential of corruption in transfer, but not so much from there. |
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| 10:34.50 | pingfloyd | Iridos: so the general consensus is a second run for post-copy verification which makes sense if you think about how rsync behaves on subsequent runs |
| 10:35.33 | pingfloyd | i.e., nothing should be copied if everything is exactly the same |
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| 10:36.04 | Iridos | quick changing files would have changed, though |
| 10:36.25 | pingfloyd | Iridos: of course, but that would fail verification with other backup programs too |
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| 10:36.45 | pingfloyd | only difference would be when it changed |
| 10:37.33 | pingfloyd | the latter program would be if changed mid copy. But snapshots as a source for backup are always a good idea because if the file changes mid copy you've got consistency issues on your hands. |
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| 10:38.13 | pingfloyd | though seems like most backup programs run a verification phase after backup phase anyway |
| 10:38.18 | Iridos | you mean filesystem snapshots? |
| 10:38.34 | themill | well, a verification program should be verifying that the backup still matches the files that were on the disk at the time, not verifying that the backup still matches the files *currently* on disk |
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| 10:38.47 | pingfloyd | Iridos: yeah |
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| 10:39.07 | Iridos | lunch |
| 10:39.47 | pingfloyd | or what I do is use a lvm snapshot |
| 10:40.08 | pingfloyd | and rsync from that |
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| 10:42.02 | themill | you still have no way of verifying later on that the backup is still OK, that it hasn't been degraded, corrupted, tampered with, accidentally lost bits, ⦠|
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| 10:52.33 | rommel092079 | good day guys. I have found the firmware file rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw I burn it to cd, but the installer cant load the missing firmware still. What to do here ? |
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| 10:54.33 | michaelis | rommel092079: I had the same problem yesterday, but with a USB stick. |
| 10:54.53 | rommel092079 | so put that on usb stick? |
| 10:54.56 | michaelis | rommel092079: Have you put the drivers in firmware folder? |
| 10:55.31 | rommel092079 | yes i tried that on dvd |
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| 10:57.11 | themill | rommel092079: do you need wireless access to complete the installation? The path of least resistance is to plug it in... |
| 10:57.19 | michaelis | rommel092079: If my memory doesn't fail me I think it had something to do with the partition table on my USB stick. I had to mkfs.vfat -I directly on /dev/sdc and NOT /dev/sdc1. |
| 10:57.55 | themill | (that rings a bell too) |
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| 10:58.05 | rommel092079 | i think it works now on usb. thanks |
| 10:58.16 | michaelis | rommel092079: Your welcome. |
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| 10:58.26 | themill | you should be able to throw the original package on the usb stick, no need to extract it |
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| 10:59.11 | rommel092079 | yes. thanks again for that input. good day |
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| 11:01.44 | dagerik | im having troubles with running virtualbox: https://dvikan.no/files/1459853983.png |
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| 11:02.48 | michaelis | dagerik: Have you tried to install virtualbox-dkms? |
| 11:02.54 | dagerik | yeah it's installed |
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| 11:04.33 | michaelis | dagerik: Have you read this: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=40388 |
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| 11:10.15 | dagerik | im getting Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the |
| 11:10.16 | dagerik | kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed. |
| 11:10.22 | dagerik | on apt-get install --reinstall virtualbox-dkms |
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| 11:12.33 | michaelis | dagerik: http://askubuntu.com/questions/203586/how-do-i-install-virtualbox-dkms |
| 11:12.40 | michaelis | I'm going for lunch. |
| 11:13.15 | dagerik | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 11:13.18 | dagerik | E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-4.3.0-1-amd64 |
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| 11:25.45 | uhrias | hi, do you know what's the name of package to install kde web accounts in debian? https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Workspace/WebAccounts |
| 11:26.21 | uhrias | just curious |
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| 11:31.11 | Iridos | maybe plasma-dataengines-workspace and related? |
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| 11:32.24 | dagerik | im having troubles with virtualbox because I have messed up kernel install. I have differnet kernel and kernel sources than what is installed I think |
| 11:32.29 | dagerik | how can I fix this |
| 11:32.50 | uhrias | Iridos: thanks, but it seems there isn't in debian testing |
| 11:33.12 | Iridos | and it doesn't contain any files that have "web" in the name in stable |
| 11:33.24 | Iridos | judd, versions plasma-dataengines-workspace |
| 11:33.25 | judd | Package: plasma-dataengines-workspace on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2 |
| 11:33.45 | Iridos | judd, versions plasma-widgets-workspace |
| 11:33.46 | judd | Package: plasma-widgets-workspace on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2 |
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| 11:34.32 | Iridos | uhrias, ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for things regarding testing/unstable, I only have a debian-stable here |
| 11:35.53 | Iridos | uhrias, or for any distro... https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=kde+workspace |
| 11:35.58 | uhrias | Iridos: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:38.18 | rgr | dagerik: what do yo mean you have a different kernel than the one installed? Ensure you have the sources for the installed one installed and reinstall vbox. |
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| 11:40.46 | DrOwl | Hi all, is there a methord to create a "virtual" usb storage device |
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| 11:42.27 | rozie | DrOwl: what do you want to achieve? |
| 11:42.36 | DrOwl | I have an apliance that needs a license key mounted on a USB stick, but its all wraped up in virtulisation (VMware) i was wondering if there was some way to localy emulate a USB storage device from local files |
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| 11:43.21 | rozie | it will probably need physical device, not just license file |
| 11:43.27 | DrOwl | this is asuming i can get on the shell, so far i can only see a way to get to a TUI |
| 11:43.35 | rozie | but you can mount on loop device |
| 11:43.40 | malu72 | hello. i have debian testing running. For example the openjdk in debian jessie is newer because of some security fixes. How comes that the openjdk version is older in testing?+ |
| 11:43.58 | rozie | malu72: what version do you have? |
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| 11:44.08 | DrOwl | no they say just but a key (a .deb) file on a FAT32 formated USB stick and mount it on the appliance |
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| 11:44.34 | soee | hi, is it safe to update nginx on Jessie from 16. to 1.8 ? |
| 11:44.47 | DrOwl | so far i only have infomation that it will scan any local USB storage devices looking for the file |
| 11:44.51 | soee | and is there some better way than dotdeb ? |
| 11:45.03 | malu72 | rozie, in jessie the version is 7u95-2.6.4-1 |
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| 11:45.45 | malu72 | in testing it is 7u91-2.6.3-1 |
| 11:45.47 | rozie | malu72: you can grab 7u95-2.6.4-1 from unstable |
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| 11:46.16 | malu72 | how comes that testing is older than jessie? |
| 11:47.32 | markybob | ,v nginx |
| 11:47.33 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.67-3+squeeze4+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; jessie: 1.6.2-5; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1.9.10-1~bpo8+1; sid: |
| 11:47.34 | judd | 1.9.10-1; stretch: 1.9.10-1 |
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| 11:48.10 | markybob | rozie: ^ so jessie-backports has the same version as sid. |
| 11:48.20 | markybob | !tell rozie about jessie-backports |
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| 11:50.27 | rozie | markybob: he asked about testing |
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| 11:50.53 | grauzikas | hello, today i was installing one of servers and i have detected strange think, in partitioning menu i have created partition, but i cant select ext4 filesystem type because i just cant see it |
| 11:51.07 | grauzikas | there is btrfs swap xfs and so on, but no ext4 |
| 11:51.19 | markybob | rozie: what he asked about was your misinformation about testing |
| 11:51.25 | grauzikas | i have installed a lot of servers never had this issue |
| 11:52.26 | grauzikas | guided partitioning creates it |
| 11:52.40 | grauzikas | but i need manualy select size for partitions |
| 11:52.52 | grauzikas | and from manual menu i cant see ext4 |
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| 11:53.37 | grauzikas | i`m using netinstall |
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| 11:58.32 | malu72 | hello. is it possible to have 3d accellaration with debian jessie and Intel HD 520 aka skylake? |
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| 12:00.25 | markybob | malu72: for skylake you get much better graphics and battery life with 4.5. but you'll need to compile that yourself |
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| 12:03.37 | malu72 | markybob, do i only need to compile the kernel or the graphics stack as well? Because with the backports in jessie skylake is working. only problem is videos are soo slow. |
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| 12:04.06 | markybob | malu72: just the kernel |
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| 12:04.32 | malu72 | and then i will have accellaration for e.g. vdeos? |
| 12:04.56 | markybob | malu72: that's my understanding from the changelogs. i don't have skylake so i've never tested it myself |
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| 12:06.13 | malu72 | ok. but the problem is that even i use kernel 4.4 i only got gallium as graphics stack |
| 12:06.43 | malu72 | so this shoul change then with 4.5? asking because i tried with kernel 4.4 and debian unstable and there i have 3d-acc |
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| 12:08.02 | markybob | malu72: 4.4 was the graphics change. 4.5 was the big powersaving thing. so i don't know. |
| 12:10.18 | grauzikas | http://snag.gy/eeHfR.jpg where ext4 gone :) |
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| 12:11.03 | markybob | grauzikas: is this a virtual or physical server? |
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| 12:11.27 | grauzikas | phisical |
| 12:11.52 | markybob | grauzikas: usb install? how did you copy it to usb? |
| 12:11.53 | grauzikas | this is netinstall |
| 12:12.00 | grauzikas | via pxe |
| 12:12.09 | grauzikas | i have used that pxe install many times |
| 12:12.09 | markybob | hmm |
| 12:12.21 | grauzikas | but today i have detected that there is no ext4 |
| 12:12.47 | grauzikas | via netinstall partitioning tools are downloading from apt sources |
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| 12:13.03 | grauzikas | so i beleave that it is global problem |
| 12:13.20 | markybob | are you using those funky alpha 5 netinst iso? |
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| 12:13.43 | grauzikas | i have normal debian wheezy netinstall |
| 12:14.08 | grauzikas | i have downloaded it from debian source and i have only added bnx driver into it |
| 12:14.15 | grauzikas | and i have used it many times |
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| 12:14.34 | grauzikas | i have installed via this pxe more then 50 servers and never had any problem |
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| 12:40.48 | alez2 | anyone using weechat here? i want to login to my account with this client |
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| 12:44.09 | opencert | heyyy |
| 12:44.10 | opencert | hi |
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| 12:44.22 | opencert | how i can back this file ? http://postimg.org/image/h6nl0uz9p/ |
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| 12:45.05 | themill | opencert: what are you trying to do? |
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| 12:46.23 | opencert | look here: http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/data-recovery-linux-and-ext3 |
| 12:46.31 | opencert | i try this |
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| 12:47.11 | opencert | i see file but i cant recovery |
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| 12:47.43 | opencert | dls /dev/sda1 1835008-1867775 > /root/home/x/block.dat |
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| 12:48.47 | opencert | the last command: dls /dev/sda1 1835008-1867775 > /root/home/x/block.dat |
| 12:48.51 | opencert | not workin |
| 12:48.51 | opencert | g |
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| 12:50.24 | drmagoo | opencert: have you installed it ? |
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| 12:52.45 | opencert | drmagoo: what? |
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| 12:53.18 | drmagoo | opencert: have you installed the sleuthkit-package ? |
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| 12:54.34 | opencert | no |
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| 12:55.14 | opencert | how i can install it? |
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| 12:56.03 | drmagoo | opencert: sudo apt-get update && apt-get install sleuthkit |
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| 12:58.20 | opencert | Unknown request "dls". Type "?" for a request list. |
| 12:58.27 | opencert | not working |
| 12:59.02 | aricz | Hi, I'm following this guide https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser to try connecting with bluetooth. '/etc/init.d/bluetooth status' gives me http://pastebin.com/3DCAhvFP |
| 12:59.50 | aricz | running 'bluetoothctl' and executing 'power on' gives "No default controller available" |
| 13:00.10 | Aliekezhi | hi, do I need to have jessie_backports in my sources.list to remove a software installed from it ? I'm having trouble trying to remove flash from backports.... |
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| 13:01.27 | aricz | I've also done the "Troubleshooting the pairing" in the same guide |
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| 13:02.16 | Aliekezhi | (oh it seems only aptitude has a problem with it, not apt-get...) |
| 13:02.38 | Aliekezhi | should I trust aptitude conflict detection or should I use only apt-get ? |
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| 13:03.40 | drmagoo | opencert: which version of debian are you using ? |
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| 13:05.18 | opencert | i use kali :( |
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| 13:05.39 | opencert | I regret |
| 13:05.41 | drmagoo | opencert: then I suggest you ask in #kali or #kali-linux |
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| 13:08.19 | drmagoo | aricz: try> lsmod | grep bluetooth and see if the kernelmodule is loaded. |
| 13:09.14 | aricz | 'lsmod | grep bluetooth' gives this output http://pastebin.com/NVdzZCuf |
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| 13:13.26 | aricz | so seems the module is loaded right? and '/etc/init.d/bluetooth status' also seems to show it as running |
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| 13:13.31 | g00se | Could i please have the proper command to disable xscreensaver via systemd? |
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| 13:14.29 | g00se | I thought it was sudo systemctl disable xscreensaver.service but obviously not |
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| 13:15.29 | drmagoo | aricz: that looks right. Have you tried any of the GUI's to set this up? I dont use any bluetooth devices my self so I cant do any tests... |
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| 13:15.50 | jno7463 | xscreensaver is not a system-wide service. it is started during graphical login as part of the user's X session. |
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| 13:16.29 | aricz | drmagoo: haven't tried anything but console yet |
| 13:16.44 | jno7463 | g00se: if you want to disable it, just run xscreensaver-demo from a terminal and change config to disable it |
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| 13:16.58 | aricz | but guess I gotta get into gui then, been sitting with this for several hours now.. 'blueman' .. here I come hehe |
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| 13:17.20 | drmagoo | aricz: reading from the wiki... "hcitool scan" does that provide anything useful ? |
| 13:17.51 | aricz | gives the same problem, there's no device available |
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| 13:18.12 | drmagoo | aricz: then I dont have any ideas =( sry... |
| 13:18.14 | aricz | I've tried everything in the guide I think |
| 13:18.18 | aricz | npnp, thanks for trying |
| 13:18.20 | g00se | jno7463: OK thanks. |
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| 13:19.32 | aricz | seems the bluetooth module is loaded.. but it isn't enabled.. hah |
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| 13:20.55 | drmagoo | aricz: =) |
| 13:21.12 | g00se | jno7463: i actually can't see WHERE you disable it in x*-demo |
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| 13:21.47 | g00se | Got it - it's in Mode |
| 13:21.50 | jno7463 | g00se: Mode: [Disable Screen Saver] |
| 13:21.55 | markybob | hell why not just apt-get remove it if you don't want it? |
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| 13:23.32 | g00se | markybob: because it might break something [though not hugely likely]? I don't NOT want it. It's just that upstream doesn't want me to have it (at least not that version) |
| 13:23.48 | aricz | markybob: ty, xscreensaver is now gone, forever |
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| 13:24.33 | markybob | g00se: yeah i know about the bug. try light-locker if you want something |
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| 13:24.54 | g00se | markybob: Nah. Don't need anything fortunately |
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| 13:25.06 | jno7463 | g00se: oh, you mean the nice "xscreensaver is very old" bug? :) |
| 13:25.09 | poncha | i have my own (custom) init.d script which i used previously on older debian, and (on jessie) the system complains i am missing a .service file for it... why? |
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| 13:25.44 | g00se | Exactly |
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| 13:26.17 | g00se | Although of course it's not a bug. It's an insult |
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| 13:26.49 | poncha | the script uses init-tools. does that imply new requirements now? or something else? cause if i just create a dummy shellscript with case in /etc/init.d - it runs without any other requirements |
| 13:27.06 | themill | poncha: full output would be useful? |
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| 13:27.25 | poncha | themill: [....] Starting ramdisk-fonts (via systemctl): ramdisk-fonts.serviceFailed to start ramdisk-fonts.service: Unit ramdisk-fonts.service failed to load: No such file or directory. |
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| 13:29.01 | poncha | themill: now, i do not have systemd unit files , yeah (but neither did i have them on older debian) |
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| 13:29.11 | grafos | hi, debian user here. i need an image to ascii generator. what are my options |
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| 13:29.59 | poncha | grafos: apt-cache search ascii | grep -i image |
| 13:30.02 | themill | poncha: where is this init script and how is it installed? |
| 13:30.20 | poncha | themill: i wrote it, can pastebin. just a sec |
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| 13:31.08 | poncha | themill: http://pastebin.com/wrSu9puZ |
| 13:31.09 | jno7463 | grafos: you could install netpbm and use something like pnmtopng file.png | ppmtopgm | pnmscale -w 158 | pgmtopbm | pbmtoascii -2x4 |
| 13:31.09 | themill | poncha: and is it in /etc/init.d? (and has it been there since boot or only just copied in or ...) |
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| 13:31.41 | poncha | themill: yep, it's in /etc/init.d - cause i want it (in the end) to be used on startup to preload stuff into ramdisk |
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| 13:32.08 | grafos | jno7463: yeah i would like to actually make a frame based cursor animation of playing otters, kind of like this one http://sprunge.us/KcfA |
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| 13:32.27 | poncha | themill: it hasn't been there yet on this system, but was there on older system which i am migrating from ;) |
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| 13:33.03 | grafos | going to need to link a bunch of tools together ina script, like imagemagick, and then i'll end up rendering them with my ANSI vt100 cursor drawing library |
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| 13:33.11 | g00se | Nice script |
| 13:33.13 | poncha | the script creates (or destroys - on stop) the ramdisk, loads/syncs files from local hdd |
| 13:33.47 | themill | poncha: installing it with update-rc.d will cause additional things to happen which I suspect are necessary here |
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| 13:34.19 | poncha | themill: but that would register for runlevels... meanwhile i cant even run it manually |
| 13:34.26 | jno7463 | grafos: maybe some aalib based thing... |
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| 13:34.32 | poncha | i will try though ;) |
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| 13:34.41 | themill | poncha: it will do more than that |
| 13:35.49 | poncha | update-rc.d ramdisk-fonts enable |
| 13:35.49 | poncha | update-rc.d: error: no runlevel symlinks to modify, aborting! |
| 13:36.08 | poncha | it clearly doesn't understand something about it ;) |
| 13:36.40 | poncha | but if i just create a dummy shellscript "blah" inside with just "#!/bin/bash" - it does not try to ... just runs it as-is |
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| 13:38.23 | themill | poncha: make sure it has something to do then; disable then enable for instance |
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| 13:39.39 | poncha | themill: if i run "update-rc.d ramdisk-fonts disable" - it says the same thing, so it's not like it was already enabled |
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| 13:40.30 | themill | oh, you want "defaults" not "enable" |
| 13:41.15 | themill | "defaults" actually installs the init script links, "enable"/"disable" just tweak K<->S names |
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| 13:41.21 | poncha | now it did something... so now i get other type of errors ;) |
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| 13:42.10 | poncha | [....] Starting ramdisk-fonts (via systemctl): ramdisk-fonts.serviceJob for ramdisk-fonts.service failed. See 'systemctl status ramdisk-fonts.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details. |
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| 13:43.01 | poncha | hm. it created that "ramdisk-fonts.service" somewhere for me - but not anywhere in /etc |
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| 13:43.09 | themill | it's quite good at telling you where to find the information |
| 13:44.18 | poncha | yeah. now the info gets better ;) |
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| 13:45.52 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 13:46.52 | tobiasBora | A patch in the kernel has been found here : https://github.com/neurobin/MT7630E/issues/6 |
| 13:47.23 | tobiasBora | What is the good procedure to do to add it in the next version of the kernel ? |
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| 13:48.57 | poncha | oh. i was wrong... so much time has passed since i wrote this - i forgot what it does and does not ;))) it does not *create* the ramdisk. it should already be mounted (via fstab) - hence the dependency on mountall |
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| 13:49.18 | poncha | after creating the ramdisk - it worked fine ;) |
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| 13:53.59 | iamnotarobot | In debian are additional TTYs enabled by default? I.e. if you press <ctrl>+<alt>+<f1> does it change TTY? |
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| 13:54.28 | colo-work | yes |
| 13:54.29 | ksk | yap |
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| 13:54.38 | Johann | today you are most likely on tty1 by default |
| 13:55.16 | poncha | X runs on tty1 now? |
| 13:55.38 | iamnotarobot | My friend has a debian box and reckons that it wont let him do that; is there are config files which could have been altered to disabled them? |
| 13:56.16 | Johann | poncha: i think so, didn't use any default installation of X for a long time so not that sure about it |
| 13:56.45 | markybob | yes it now does |
| 13:56.52 | poncha | so ctrl-alt-f2 ;) |
| 13:57.00 | mo1991_ | anyone with any ideas on this update problem?? debian stable - libsane : Depends: libsane-common (= 1.0.24-8) but 1.0.24-8+deb8u1 is installed |
| 13:57.06 | zykotick9 | poncha: if you use "startx" it does, not sure about the a *dm |
| 13:57.09 | Johann | just noting that he should try tty2 |
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| 13:57.44 | mo1991_ | perhaps a bug on a recent update? |
| 13:57.45 | Johann | mo1991_: try to update your system (apt-get update; apt-get upgrade) |
| 13:57.49 | poncha | exactly the reason i asked that ;) (maybe he tries ctrl-alt-f1 from same tty... ) |
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| 13:58.17 | mo1991_ | Johann that's what I was just doing - apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 13:58.24 | Johann | sorry |
| 13:58.26 | Johann | misread |
| 13:58.50 | zykotick9 | notes nvidia.com's driver sometimes breaks the TTYs |
| 13:59.32 | mo1991_ | gives me the error above. Strange, usually don't see this type of "version" but in stable. It looks to me like that is what it is - not sure though. |
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| 14:01.01 | markybob | mo1991_: i want to see your sources.list. |
| 14:01.19 | themill | mo1991_: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libsane libsane-common" for us? |
| 14:01.32 | mo1991_ | yup give me a sec |
| 14:02.25 | Johann | mo1991_: it still looks like you have a problem in your update because libsane depends on 'libsane-common (= 1.0.24-8+deb8u1)' not 'libsane-common (= 1.0.24-8)' (see https://packages.debian.org/fr/jessie/libsane) |
| 14:02.45 | Johann | try to apt-get update again |
| 14:03.37 | mo1991_ | http://pastebin.com/A5J5dXt7 |
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| 14:04.44 | themill | mo1991_: so what does "apt upgrade" want to do? |
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| 14:05.21 | mo1991_ | wan'ts to apt-get -f install |
| 14:05.35 | themill | mo1991_: ok, so what does that do? |
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| 14:06.03 | mo1991_ | wants to sorry. which would probably work. Just not sure why it would ask me to do this during standard update process so thought i'd see what's going on. |
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| 14:06.29 | mo1991_ | It wants to force the versions , but this isn't normally necessary in a stable upgrade is it? |
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| 14:07.04 | themill | "force versions"? |
| 14:07.11 | themill | full output might be better |
| 14:09.14 | mo1991_ | http://pastebin.com/1NyqAivr |
| 14:09.23 | mo1991_ | themill. Here is apt-get upgrade output |
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| 14:10.19 | themill | mo1991_: what's the output of "apt-cache policy libsane:i386" then? |
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| 14:11.36 | mo1991_ | http://pastebin.com/ccRw5nKz |
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| 14:11.52 | mo1991_ | this is where I stop understanding what's going on. |
| 14:12.22 | mo1991_ | perhaps a version but in the i386 version?? |
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| 14:13.27 | themill | most odd. apt seems to have all the packages it needs but just doesn't want to install them. |
| 14:13.50 | themill | See if "aptitude full-upgrade" wants to upgrade and configure happily |
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| 14:16.35 | hiya | does openssl offered by debian 8 has AESNI engine enabled? |
| 14:16.42 | hiya | if not how to do it? |
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| 14:18.19 | Martyn | Hello all |
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| 14:18.36 | Martyn | Is there a simple way to turn an installed system into a preseed file? |
| 14:18.38 | mo1991_ | the mill - http://pastebin.com/TaqFm9i5 |
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| 14:18.51 | Martyn | i.e. go through an install once, and then generate a valid preseed package list? |
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| 14:19.40 | ksk | hiya: does not look like its builtin to me. You would probably build it yourself, I would however not recommecned that for software as big/complex as openssl.. |
| 14:19.45 | themill | mo1991_: ah! well that's progress. I had been wondering why apt had died in the middle of your upgrade. What's wrong with /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/sane/libsane-coolscan3.la ? |
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| 14:21.02 | mi11k1 | is there a way to give higher priority to USB devices , such as Wireless , I am using hostapd and it seems kind of sluggish, transferring locally with Samba and SFTP? |
| 14:21.46 | hiya | ksk, but I need it for openvpn |
| 14:21.50 | jhutchins | Martyn: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apbs03.html.en |
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| 14:22.16 | jhutchins | Martyn: https://gist.github.com/MerijntjeTak/15b0a7aa3360c1b58144 |
| 14:22.23 | noobandnoober | Hi |
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| 14:22.42 | Aliekezhi | hi, how can I downgrade a package from stretch to jessie ? |
| 14:22.57 | mo1991_ | themill - I don't know??? Any thoughts as to find out? I certainly haven't messed with that file |
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| 14:23.35 | themill | mo1991_: have a look at the directory and its permissions; have a look at the output of "mount" and "dmesg" |
| 14:23.38 | noobandnoober | I tried to add a monitor to my laptop, but the monitor stop being detected after GRUB, what can be the problem? |
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| 14:25.14 | axk4545 | with the standard debian live cd what package mgmt frontend is installed? |
| 14:26.23 | jhutchins | axk4545: You should have apt-get and probably aptitude. |
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| 14:27.00 | axk4545 | jhutchins: nothing GUI by default? |
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| 14:28.58 | karlpinc | hiya: What are you really trying to do? (I can't even find a AESNS engine for openssl on the web.) |
| 14:29.23 | hiya | karlpinc, AESNI for openssl = popular in openvpn community |
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| 14:30.44 | karlpinc | hiya: Ah. AES-NI. That's a processor optimization. You don't really need it, it just makes things run faster. |
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| 14:31.40 | hiya | karlpinc, Exactly, and that is what I want right now |
| 14:31.40 | hiya | :D |
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| 14:31.59 | karlpinc | hiya: To see if it's on try answer 8 from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25284119/how-can-i-check-if-openssl-is-support-use-the-intel-aes-ni Then let us know. |
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| 14:33.02 | mo1991reg | themill - I dont' see any issues with dmesg or mount that stick out to me??? |
| 14:33.22 | karlpinc | hiya: My experience with these sorts of engines is that the context switching required to go in and out of ring0 makes the engines not worth it. YMMV. |
| 14:33.32 | jhutchins | axk4545: Why would you use a GUI for package management? |
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| 14:33.44 | jhutchins | axk4545: aptitude includes a text menu mode. |
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| 14:34.09 | axk4545 | jhutchins: I wouldn't but I am writing an install guide for new users. |
| 14:34.12 | themill | aes-ni isn't an engine anyway, it's an implementation detail of a lower layer |
| 14:34.34 | karlpinc | thinks that aptitude includes the text menu mode from hell. But maybe that's just me. |
| 14:35.12 | Martyn | jhutchins : Thank you! |
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| 14:35.31 | Martyn | jhutchins : I'm doing a full upgrade of all my systems from squeeze->wheezy |
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| 14:35.42 | themill | axk4545: if you don't want to give them a console based system, why are you giving them a console based live image? |
| 14:35.44 | zykotick9 | karlpinc: your not alone. i love ncurses based programs... BUT aptitude is not on the list. |
| 14:35.50 | Martyn | some can't make the transition, so I'm having to preseed install a number of virtual instances |
| 14:36.27 | karlpinc | Hum. If ans-ns can be utilized in userspace maybe it's worth it. And if so it's probably "on" in debian. |
| 14:36.27 | themill | mo1991reg: I'm stuck on what could give that error beyond some sort of unhappy filesystem. I'm assuming that /usr isn't on nfs or something like that.... |
| 14:36.41 | themill | karlpinc: it should be, yes |
| 14:37.00 | Martyn | jhutchins : I use a GUI for package management --- across a very large cluster. When you have a couple thousand machines, it's nice to be able to keep track of it all |
| 14:37.18 | mo1991reg | themill - nope, I've been running this system as is for quite some time - like a year. nothing special really |
| 14:37.39 | mo1991reg | only home is on a different partition |
| 14:38.11 | axk4545 | themill: I didn't think I was. I am planning to use this iso: debian-live-8.4.0-amd64-standard.iso. Is it text based? |
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| 14:38.24 | themill | axk4545: that's what the documentation says. |
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| 14:39.38 | axk4545 | themill: oops. what is the generic flavor that would be analogous to Ubuntu Desktop or Fedora Workstation? |
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| 14:40.26 | themill | axk4545: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 14:41.24 | mo1991reg | themill - and the libsane-coolscan3.la file has not been touched since 2014...... permissions look right, etc. |
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| 14:42.17 | axk4545 | themill: ok. probably should write it Linux Mint then. |
| 14:42.34 | themill | mo1991reg: what's the full output of "mount"? |
| 14:43.27 | mo1991reg | mount |
| 14:43.31 | mo1991reg | opps |
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| 14:44.44 | mo1991reg | themill - http://pastebin.com/irmG93xE |
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| 14:45.45 | ashes-mobile | hello. i installed debian 8 on my beaglebone. it's updated to latest software. if i use wpa_supplicant and dhclient manually my wireless device will work, but the setup i have in /etc/networks/interfaces does not work on boot. any suggestions? |
| 14:46.14 | themill | mo1991reg: nothing interesting there either |
| 14:47.33 | mo1991reg | themill - I think I ran into something like this before - with some kind of conflict having to do with the :i386 package not quite being set up right and causing conflicts - I"m talking years ago. Been a long time since I ran into anything like this on stable. |
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| 14:47.56 | themill | this isn't an issue with packages and dependencies |
| 14:48.53 | mo1991reg | the aptitude output give an error - unable to make backup link of `./usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/sane/libsane-coolscan3.la' before installing new version: Operation not permitted |
| 14:48.54 | themill | root is being given EPERM (Operation not permitted) when trying to copy a file; that's pretty unusual and points to other problems but we don't know what. |
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| 14:49.35 | themill | I assume the disk is nowhere near full (although that should be ENOSPC) |
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| 14:50.39 | mo1991reg | themill - disk is not full |
| 14:51.21 | themill | When root gets EPERM that normally means a read-only filesystem such as when a disk is dying. |
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| 14:53.26 | mo1991reg | themill - and I have no problem copying that file to crap.bak....... |
| 14:54.00 | mo1991reg | using cp libsane-coolscan3.la crap.bak |
| 14:54.04 | themill | try moving the file out of the way and trying again |
| 14:54.07 | LIERO | any suggestions on how to figure out what caused a reboot? |
| 14:54.11 | LIERO | /var/log/acpid is empty |
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| 14:56.31 | mo1991reg | themill - this would be the problem I think. I can't rm the file as root |
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| 14:57.38 | themill | yeah |
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| 15:06.28 | mo1991reg | themill - any thoughts as to why that would be? this is a new one on me |
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| 15:07.47 | troulouliou_div2 | hi si it possible to install through netinstall iso a specific debian version like 7.6 without upgrading to 7.10 ? |
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| 15:08.31 | themill | mo1991reg: I'm surprised you didn't find messages about read or write errors in dmesg |
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| 15:09.42 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, I have enable-ssh-support in my .gnupg, killed ssh-agent and gpg-agent, restarted gpg-agent, but still, doing a ssh-add -L doesn't show me my authentication key from my smartcard |
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| 15:09.57 | Ephexeve | though this works fine on OSX using homebrew's gpg version |
| 15:10.25 | Ephexeve | and doing a kill ssh, then a kill gpg, opne a new terminal, then it works, however, after sometime doing a ssh-add -L it gives me an empty list (no keys) |
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| 15:10.41 | ashes-mobile | can any of you help me figure out why my /etc/network/interfaces file isn't being used for wireless properly? |
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| 15:11.59 | ashes-mobile | and eth0 is being configured with dhcp, even though it's not setup to do that |
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| 15:15.02 | mo1991reg | themill - do you think this is some sort of disk error? I can create and delete files in that same directory... strange |
| 15:15.11 | thurstylark | ashes-mobile: sounds like there's something else managing your network. Is there anything in /etc/systemd/network/ ? |
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| 15:16.20 | ashes-mobile | thurstylark: no |
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| 15:17.48 | thurstylark | ashes-mobile: see if you can find anything network related when you run 'sudo systemctl list-units' |
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| 15:21.24 | ashes-mobile | thurstylark: networking.service, network.target, sys-subsystem-net-devices-wlan0.device |
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| 15:27.08 | ashes-mobile | could it be starting from dbus? |
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| 15:28.37 | thurstylark | ashes-mobile: can you paste your interfaces file? |
| 15:30.38 | ashes-mobile | thurstylark: http://pastebin.com/h8WJUh52 |
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| 15:35.51 | mo1991reg | themill - any thoughts on why I can't delete that file? rebooted to see if that helped but no go |
| 15:35.54 | thurstylark | ashes-mobile: did you follow the instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
| 15:37.23 | ashes-mobile | thurstylark: i did try with the hashed password as well |
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| 15:38.26 | thurstylark | ashes-mobile: well, for wpa-psk, you will need the hashed key regardless, so go ahead and put it back in. |
| 15:38.55 | ashes-mobile | thurstylark: i also can't explain how eth0 is being configured with dhcp |
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| 15:39.34 | thurstylark | ashes-mobile: Well, you don't have anything in that file that will configure eth0, so I believe dhcp is default. |
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| 15:42.19 | ashes-mobile | thurstylark: i rebooted with the hashed password. iwconfig says no association. ifconfig shows no ip for wlan0. and wpa_cli scan fails on wlan0 |
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| 15:44.37 | thurstylark | ashes-mobile: try the wpa_cli command with sudo |
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| 15:45.05 | ashes-mobile | thurstylark: same result |
| 15:45.28 | ashes-mobile | thurstylark: if i run wpa_supplicant manually, then wpa_cli scan works |
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| 15:46.13 | ashes-mobile | thurstylark: i don't think wpa_supplicant is using /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:46.38 | thurstylark | ashes-mobile: wait, do you have anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ ? |
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| 15:47.09 | ashes-mobile | thurstylark: no |
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| 15:52.50 | ashes-mobile | thurstylark: if i do 'ifconfig wlan0 up', then 'wpa_cli scan' is OK |
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| 15:54.04 | mo1991reg | I cannot update the "sane" package as the file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/sane/libsane-coolscan3.la appears to be corrupted or something, and cannot be replaced or removed for some unknown reason - even as root. I can create and remove other files within that same directory. Anyone help? Very strange |
| 15:54.27 | ashes-mobile | thurstylark: after a fresh reboot i ran 'ifconfig wlan0 up', then wpa_supplicant associated to the AP by itself, then i ran 'dhclient wlan0', and that works |
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| 16:05.04 | thurstylark | ashes-mobile: As far as your interfaces file, I can't think of a reason that it's not being used. |
| 16:05.42 | ksk | hey. Is there some cool encryption in userspace deamon/application? Like a pipe or whatever where I just put my stuff and it transparently encrypts it. Used to use encfs but thats kinda dead IIRC |
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| 16:07.59 | Brigo | ksk, lucks maybe? |
| 16:09.37 | thurstylark | *luks |
| 16:10.06 | Arch | moring |
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| 16:19.17 | ksk | Brigo, thurstylark yeah looks good, thanks. |
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| 16:21.09 | Iridos | my iceweasel says I have an old and vulnerable flashplugin of version 11.2.202.569 in Path: /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so (about:plugin)... /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree says I have version 11.2.202.577 |
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| 16:21.36 | Iridos | and update-flashplugin basically does that using strings /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |grep LNX --> LNX 11,2,202,577 |
| 16:21.56 | Brigo | Iridos, update-flashplugin install |
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| 16:24.10 | tpap | Hi! I tried to resize (shrink) my ext4 debian partition with gparted live and debian liveCD (using gparted) but in both cases it failed saying that i need to get a newer version of e2fsck due to an unsupported feature of the filesystem (metadata_csum). Anyone know what I should do? |
| 16:24.18 | Iridos | Brigo, it's update-flashplugin-nonfree --install ... and if you read to the end, the plugin is on the last version that update-flashplugin supports ... but iceweasel pretends it's an older one |
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| 16:25.12 | Brigo | Iridos, did you close iceweasel? |
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| 16:27.00 | rozie | tpap: did you try resize2fs (from liveCD or at least unmounted partition)? |
| 16:28.00 | tpap | rozie: only with gparted livecd and it says another error due to unsupported features, now i will try from livecd |
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| 16:29.07 | tpap | rozie: same here (resize2fs: Filesystem has unsupported read-only feature(s) while trying to open /dev/sda3) |
| 16:29.20 | Iridos | Brigo, yes... |
| 16:29.33 | Iridos | guess I can kill it another time and see really no process is left |
| 16:29.38 | Brigo | Iridos, i had to ask, you know it :) |
| 16:29.42 | Iridos | looks like this http://paste.debian.net/424299/ |
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| 16:29.53 | Iridos | well, good idea to do it another time however useless it seems |
| 16:30.29 | tpap | rozie: if it mean something, i have a gpt-type partition table |
| 16:31.03 | rozie | what is version of resize2fs and gparted on this live? |
| 16:31.15 | Iridos | I only have like a 100 windows with a 100 tabs... but it's the best idea I see |
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| 16:31.31 | Brigo | Iridos, mine: http://paste.debian.net/424300/ |
| 16:31.36 | Iridos | well, same |
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| 16:32.08 | Brigo | Iridos, really i am no using firefox not iceweasel. i will check it now. |
| 16:32.21 | tpap | rozie: gparted is 0.19.0, resize2fs is 1.42.12 (29-Aug-2014) |
| 16:32.31 | soee | someone is using dotdeb PHP7 with ISPConfig ? |
| 16:32.47 | Iridos | it's something in the profile... when I start it with another profile, about:plugins reports 11.2.202.577 |
| 16:32.53 | Brigo | Iridos, now with iceweasel from jessie.backports, no problem |
| 16:34.00 | rozie | tpap: so not very old |
| 16:34.31 | Iridos | the error is gone if I start iceweasel with a different profile... weird, both report that they use the same .so |
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| 16:36.02 | Brigo | maybe another .so or the cache. |
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| 16:36.37 | tpap2 | rozie: yeah. Maybe The gparted live beta will help? |
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| 16:39.18 | Iridos | Brigo, got it. ~/.mozilla/firefox/*default/pluginreg.dat had the older version... obviously that's what iceweasel assumes to be the version |
| 16:39.29 | Iridos | fun |
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| 16:56.43 | ksk | hey debian. why is there "apt" - and are there any docs? (that maybe state why, and how it compares to apt-get and aptitude) |
| 16:56.50 | ksk | I mean, yes it has colors, but.. |
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| 16:59.13 | ksk | "The apt command is meant to be pleasant for end users and does not need to be backward compatible like apt-get(8). Therefore some options are different:" |
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| 16:59.50 | ksk | from man apt. okay not sure if that Is needed but debian might know it better :) |
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| 17:12.01 | r0ck_ | guys, how can I make alias in .zshrc for "alias sshserver1="ssh -l username xx.xxx.x.xx -p (the port that i enter after sshserver1 command)" |
| 17:12.48 | Iridos | ksk, as to "why", I have no idea. aptitude changelog apt ... first mention I find is 18 Jan 2014 |
| 17:13.08 | Iridos | r0ck_, maybe alias sshserver1="ssh -l username" ? |
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| 17:14.33 | Iridos | it's cleaner and more versatile if you make a function, aliases are a bit weird... and I use bash, not zsh (but zsh seems to mainly implement additional features) |
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| 17:16.03 | Tegu | for short stuff aliases are simpler, but for a bit longer functions are feel bettery, ye |
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| 17:21.09 | advrsy | hello |
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| 17:23.21 | Deb_ | Hey :) |
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| 17:23.27 | Deb_ | what is the germany debian channel? |
| 17:23.55 | markybob | !de |
| 17:23.55 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 17:24.04 | Deb_ | thanks ! :) |
| 17:24.42 | Deb_ | and does anybody know when the new DEBGEN comes out? i really need it |
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| 17:26.09 | markybob | Deb_: the sources.list thing? |
| 17:26.13 | Deb_ | Yeah! |
| 17:26.18 | markybob | !debgen |
| 17:26.18 | dpkg | Websites that generate a <sources.list> for you (like http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/) create terrible sources.list files with syntax errors, encourage you to mix releases or even distributions and do silly things like using "stable" instead of the code name. Instead, ask me about <wheezy sources.list> or <jessie sources.list>. |
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| 17:26.25 | markybob | Deb_: it really fucking sucks |
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| 17:28.07 | Deb_ | yeah .. |
| 17:28.17 | Deb_ | i wait since 3 weeks .. |
| 17:28.26 | Deb_ | he should host the old one on github |
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| 17:29.39 | Deb_ | markybob: do you have experience with alacarte? that is my problem why i am here |
| 17:30.35 | markybob | Deb_: no |
| 17:31.14 | Deb_ | damn |
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| 17:31.23 | boubou | Unable to negotiate with 192.168.10.5 port 22: no matching key exchange method found. Their offer: diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 |
| 17:31.29 | Deb_ | it doesn't work to hide the icons in the menu |
| 17:31.40 | Deb_ | all the games and so on, i want them to hide |
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| 17:37.16 | troulouliou_div2 | hi i m trying to add a dvd (debian 7.7 DVD2) to an airgap system; when i do apt-cdrom add : it says "unable to locate any packages files perhaps this is not a debian disc |
| 17:37.26 | troulouliou_div2 | the disk is mounted iun /media/cdrom |
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| 17:49.22 | jhutchins | troulouliou_div2: Did you verify the disk when you burned it? |
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| 17:50.55 | ydu | in sources.list, if i change jessie to stable, this will work right? what happens when stretch comes out? just apt-get update then apt-get upgrade then apt-get dist-upgrade correct? |
| 17:51.20 | markybob | ydu: it'll work. when stretch comes out it'll break your system terribly. don't do it. |
| 17:51.26 | karlpinc | ydu: When stretch comes out you will accidently update part of your system unexpectedly and it will probably break. |
| 17:51.26 | greycat | Don't change to "stable", because then when stretch is released you get a surprise half-upgrade. |
| 17:51.47 | karlpinc | 3 for 3 :-) |
| 17:51.48 | ydu | good to know thanks. |
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| 17:53.41 | troulouliou_div2 | jhuebner, but weird all dvd have same ident with DVD1 in name |
| 17:53.42 | karlpinc | ydu: To upgrade always follow the release notes. |
| 17:53.54 | troulouliou_div2 | jhutchins, but weird all dvd have same ident with DVD1 in name |
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| 17:54.19 | greycat | If you have a normal 21st century internet connection, use a netinst image. Not a full DVD, not even a full CD. |
| 17:54.31 | karlpinc | greycat: He has an air-gap. |
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| 18:34.45 | Olof_szary | Hello. It seems that I have some problem with fans. I am using dell laptop and the pc tends to be quite hot (like fans are starting at too high temperature). I am reading this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/22108/how-to-control-fan-speed but I am unsure how to proceed carefully |
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| 18:36.42 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 18:38.05 | Azrael_- | i want to set up root to log all actions (input+output) to a file automatically from the start. is there a nice way to do this? (a 3rd party requested access and i want to log all their activities) |
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| 18:38.37 | greycat | Do you mean log their interactive shell session? |
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| 18:38.57 | Azrael_- | greycat: yes |
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| 18:43.49 | greycat | google comes up with http://serverfault.com/questions/336217/how-do-i-log-every-command-executed-by-a-user |
| 18:44.04 | Langley | When will Xscreenserver be updated so it stops nagging :( |
| 18:44.20 | karlpinc | Langley: I've noticed that? Is there a bug report? If not then.... |
| 18:44.29 | Langley | There is |
| 18:44.48 | markybob | !xscreensaver |
| 18:44.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xscreensaver is upstream doesn't understand how stable distro works so users are getting "very old" alerts. consider light-locker if you need something. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703 |
| 18:45.17 | Langley | So, update when? |
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| 18:45.34 | markybob | Langley: probably never. that's not how stable works |
| 18:45.59 | Langley | Pretty sure bugs gets updated in stable too |
| 18:46.32 | karlpinc | Langley: Yah. But they have to be important to get updated. |
| 18:46.34 | markybob | it isnt a bug. it's a "feature" put there by upstream |
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| 18:47.05 | Langley | It is both important and a bug |
| 18:47.07 | Azrael_- | greycat: thanks, missed that site so far. gotta have a look if this can be done with deb7 |
| 18:47.32 | markybob | Langley: so far the powers that be disagree with you. |
| 18:47.44 | markybob | Langley: you're welcome to add to the report |
| 18:47.51 | greycat | What the hell does xscreensaver do that could possibly be *date dependent*? |
| 18:47.54 | Langley | Then I am severely disappointed in the powers |
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| 18:48.11 | karlpinc | greycat: Seems, it can bitch. |
| 18:48.11 | markybob | greycat: not a goddamn thing. it's ridiculous |
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| 18:48.37 | karlpinc | After a while it's not shiny enough. :) |
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| 19:00.34 | Azrael_- | i want to enable logging for root-ssh-sessions. i added "session required pam_tty_audit.so enable=*" to /etc/pam.d/sshd, installed auditd, but couldn't login any more. this was the log-session: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_tty_audit.so): /lib/security/pam_tty_audit.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory how can i enable it? |
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| 19:01.39 | grawity | by installing the package which has that file |
| 19:01.48 | grawity | which seems to be libpam-modules, according to apt-file. |
| 19:01.49 | greycat | pdo says it's in libpam-modules |
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| 19:02.02 | Azrael_- | k |
| 19:02.05 | grawity | ...which is odd, isn't that installed by default? |
| 19:02.21 | greycat | But it's in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_tty_audit.so not /lib/security/pam_tty_audit.so |
| 19:02.23 | Azrael_- | looking for it |
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| 19:05.07 | akira_ | Secure boot support? |
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| 19:06.09 | Azrael_- | libpam-modules:amd64 is installed. but audit isn't available. only these modules are available: http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1047703 i'm running wheezy |
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| 19:06.44 | greycat | Ahhh, wheezy. |
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| 19:07.10 | Azrael_- | didn't know the feature was so new. any alternative suggestions for wheezy? |
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| 19:07.26 | akira_ | Yeah. |
| 19:07.28 | akira_ | Jessie. |
| 19:07.40 | Azrael_- | akira_: thanks.... |
| 19:07.41 | akira_ | Don't worry, dist-upgrade is a thing. |
| 19:07.49 | akira_ | HURG |
| 19:07.53 | akira_ | I meant distribution upgrade. |
| 19:08.02 | teraflops | heh |
| 19:08.04 | Azrael_- | akira_: not today |
| 19:08.43 | Iridos | there's no time like now |
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| 19:12.36 | teraflops | Azrael_-: nah take your time if you're planning a dist-upgrade aka read the documentation |
| 19:13.22 | teraflops | Azrael_-: I read HURD :P |
| 19:13.39 | teraflops | ups ^akira_ |
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| 19:13.45 | Azrael_- | thanks, but i'm still in the need of a logging-option for wheezy. any suggestions? |
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| 19:15.58 | ScreamerX | why is it so hard to create packages for debian? |
| 19:16.18 | ScreamerX | no other distribution has such a complicated build system. |
| 19:16.26 | jelly | because they have to be Just Right⢠|
| 19:16.26 | tharkun | I am trying to do a VERY basic install. but the installer keeps pulling stuff that is not needed for a headless server. How can I install a true minimal system? |
| 19:16.48 | jelly | ScreamerX: all the distros derived from debian do, probably? |
| 19:16.55 | ashes-mobile | i have problems setting up wlan0 with debian 8. /etc/network/interfaces isn't bringing up wlan0... i need to do 'ifconfig wlan0 up' and then run 'dhclient wlan0'. i don't know what is misconfigured. can any of you help me? |
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| 19:17.51 | ScreamerX | jelly, slackbuilds are easy, ebuilds are easy, archs abs scripts are easy. debian: rules? makefile that calls pearl scripts? wtf? |
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| 19:19.41 | jelly | ScreamerX: unless you have an actual tech support question, this kind of commentary is probably better suited to our social channel #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:21.08 | ScreamerX | jelly, i have a actual tech question: what is the easiest way to create a *.deb package from a zip file that consists of java binaries (jar files)? |
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| 19:23.40 | jelly | ScreamerX: it depends; why do you want to make it a .deb in the first place? Do you want dependencies handled? Are there any? |
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| 19:24.36 | ScreamerX | the only dependency is: java/jdk. why do i want to make it a deb? cause i like to have all files on the system handled by a package manager. |
| 19:25.13 | ScreamerX | they are signed, easily updated, etc. |
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| 19:25.19 | teraflops | ScreamerX: hehe |
| 19:25.41 | jelly | ScreamerX: how many machines are you going to deploy this to? |
| 19:25.52 | ScreamerX | hm - 5? |
| 19:26.14 | ScreamerX | and i dont want to install updates by hand. |
| 19:27.00 | jelly | if you think recreating a dummy .deb from a .zip or .tar archive every time is saner, use alien to just convert it |
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| 19:27.09 | teraflops | ashes-mobile: mind pasting the /etc/network/interfaces file to a pastebin service so we can take a look at it? |
| 19:27.45 | ScreamerX | jelly, why isnt there something like a simple build-script? |
| 19:27.59 | teraflops | ashes-mobile: please do not use pastebin.com |
| 19:28.16 | jelly | ScreamerX: what build script? You have binary .jars, they're built already |
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| 19:28.50 | ScreamerX | jelly, like ebuilds? slackbuilds? what ever? |
| 19:28.58 | teraflops | for packaging the shit I suppose not building the jars |
| 19:29.06 | ScreamerX | "alien" to convert packages looks nice :-) |
| 19:29.34 | jelly | alien is good enough to package a tree with some files. |
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| 19:30.37 | teraflops | and yeah I know jar are nor binaries, /me returns to idling |
| 19:31.06 | jelly | teraflops: but they are; an end product of compiling |
| 19:31.31 | jelly | the fact they're somewhat portable doesn't make them any less "source code" |
| 19:31.34 | teraflops | jelly: jar are not binaries are java files compressed |
| 19:31.48 | jelly | no, they're not .java source compressed. |
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| 19:31.59 | greycat | If it's a .jar full of .java (compiled) files then it's binaries. |
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| 19:32.04 | jelly | they're compiled bytecode and resources. |
| 19:32.09 | greycat | or wait, which thing is the java compiled... |
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| 19:32.26 | greycat | .class maybe? I forget. |
| 19:32.27 | jelly | don't remember, either |
| 19:32.39 | teraflops | java does not do binaries |
| 19:33.21 | jelly | we can argue semantics in #debian-offtopic |
| 19:33.23 | greycat | Java creates machine-readable bytecode files. They are binaries. |
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| 19:35.21 | teraflops | depends on your interpretation |
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| 19:36.18 | teraflops | greycat: is not processor-specific so it's not binary |
| 19:36.31 | jelly | teraflops: drop it |
| 19:36.45 | teraflops | it's a thing that I dislike (java) so nvm |
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| 19:42.11 | jmarciano | mama mia, so many people here... |
| 19:42.26 | tharkun | How can I install a base system and start from there. All the options I've tried so far are overbloated with non needed packages. |
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| 19:43.57 | markybob | tharkun: netinst does that |
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| 19:45.18 | tharkun | markybob: I believe any install media should give the option. I just am unable to find it. |
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| 19:45.47 | markybob | tharkun: there is no 'minimal' option. you just uncheck everything in tasksel |
| 19:45.55 | markybob | that gives you minimum |
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| 19:47.56 | Necrosporus | What do you think about this: https://gnusocial.club/file/f27e57c4e6d2a2dd391daf719759244b1039ad4566d9e994b95f287a91be617b.jpg ? |
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| 19:48.59 | tharkun | markybob: it does not give you minimum any more. fully installed server uses only 293 packages. minimum install as you propose installs 473 packages. And lots of stuff only consumes space and are totally irrelevant for a headless server. |
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| 19:50.06 | markybob | tharkun: i only ever use netinst. never touched graphical. you can unselect in netinst. that's all i'm saying. i don't know what graphical does or what you think minimum is |
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| 19:50.41 | jmcnaught | tharkun: one thing i've noticed is that gnupg-agent pulls in pinentry-gtk2, but you can replace it with pinentry-curses which doesn't depend on all those X11 related libraries |
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| 19:50.52 | jmarciano | Necrosporus: wrong question maybe... :-) |
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| 19:50.59 | tharkun | markybob: I unchecked everything and it is indeed very bloated. |
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| 19:51.45 | tharkun | jmcnaught: Thanks that is but one. There are lots of stuff totally irrelevant if you are running headless. |
| 19:52.23 | jmcnaught | tharkun: do you know about priorities in Debian, that might provide some useful context for you: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-priorities |
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| 19:52.36 | Azrael_- | could it be like there is no option to log the session in wheezy at all? |
| 19:52.55 | markybob | Azrael_-: what are you talking about? |
| 19:53.01 | tharkun | jmcnaught: Thanks I'll read it now. |
| 19:53.10 | jmcnaught | tharkun: if you want a really really minimal system, you could try just using debootstrap. it's a little more difficult but there's a chapter about it in the install manual |
| 19:54.08 | Azrael_- | markybob: i want to log all root-actions but as i'm in wheezy pam_tty_audit.so isn't available. are there any other options to accomplish this? |
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| 19:55.27 | jmcnaught | Azrael_-: there's a ttysnoop package that you might be able to work into some sort of kludge involving screen as a default shell, but upgrading to jessie to get access to newer features is probably your best option |
| 19:55.55 | markybob | or just ~/.bash_history to be honest |
| 19:56.12 | markybob | if you don't trust your users that much don't let them on |
| 19:56.14 | jmcnaught | Azrael_-: or just don't give access to people you don't trust, or limit their permissions |
| 19:56.21 | tharkun | jmcnaught: My use case is simple, I have a very small service window, I need to install a Very minimal system and then put the rest of the pieces on top of it so that it works. If I have to skeem through all the packages that Debian is installing it takes me far more time than what I have available. |
| 19:56.36 | greycat | 15:00 Azrael_-> i want to enable logging for root-ssh-sessions. [...] |
| 19:56.39 | tharkun | jmcnaught: Thanks for the priorities page interesting reading |
| 19:56.46 | greycat | Apparently limiting their permissions is not an option for him. |
| 19:56.59 | Azrael_- | markybob / jmcnaught: i trust them, but it's a 3rd party which requests access for further support and i want to know what they do |
| 19:57.06 | markybob | what's the point of logging root? they can disable said logging |
| 19:57.10 | markybob | this makes no sense |
| 19:58.04 | Azrael_- | they can, but if they do, then i know they can't be trusted any more |
| 19:58.17 | markybob | you won't know who "they" are |
| 19:58.30 | markybob | could've been some random guy on the internet |
| 19:59.07 | markybob | they can just delete some history and not disable it. then you really won't know |
| 19:59.07 | jmcnaught | tharkun: how space constrained are you? you might find that fighting Debian's default selections takes up more time than is worth it. You could also end up with problems related to stuff that works on a standard Debian install fails because a tool is missing in the minimal install you've created. |
| 19:59.24 | Iridos | tharkun, you were at /msg dpkg minimal system ? |
| 19:59.35 | Azrael_- | markybob: i know it isn't secure, i just want to get some information what they do |
| 19:59.59 | frikinz | bash_history then |
| 20:00.07 | markybob | yeah, like i said |
| 20:00.17 | Iridos | Azrael_-, if you trust them, .bash_history should be enough... if you don't I'm not sure what would |
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| 20:00.57 | Azrael_- | hmmm, k |
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| 20:01.56 | jmcnaught | Azrael_-: maybe instead of giving them full root access you could give them limited sudo access to a few commands? |
| 20:02.32 | Iridos | Azrael_-, something like that in .bashrc helps: HISTFILE="$HOME"/.bash_history_custom;HISTSIZE=1000000;HISTFILESIZE=20000000;HISTTIMEFORMAT="%Y/%m/%d %T "; PROMPT_COMMAND="history -a"; shopt -s histappend; |
| 20:02.36 | greycat | Or give unlimited sudo, which logs for you. |
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| 20:03.46 | teraflops | Azrael_-: install a keylogger then |
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| 20:04.31 | Iridos | in sshd? |
| 20:04.37 | teraflops | it's your system, just say it so at login |
| 20:05.00 | frikinz | tpcdump :) |
| 20:05.04 | frikinz | tcpdump* |
| 20:05.14 | greycat | tcpdump is not very useful for encrypted ssh stuff |
| 20:05.14 | tharkun | jmcnaught: This machine needs to do only one thing and do it fast and well, everything else is not needed. |
| 20:05.15 | markybob | frikinz: would do nothing |
| 20:05.30 | tharkun | It has been doing that for 7 years |
| 20:05.57 | frikinz | markybob: why not? you can inject private keys in tcpdump |
| 20:06.07 | markybob | frikinz: okay |
| 20:06.20 | tharkun | Iridos: dpkg answer is not what you would expect ;P |
| 20:06.41 | jmcnaught | tharkun: does the extra stuff interfere, or just take up extra space? is that extra space worth the time spent on the problem? |
| 20:07.10 | teraflops | Iridos: I wonder if it is ok https://diogomonica.com/poor-man-s-ssh-keylogger/ |
| 20:07.15 | Iridos | tharkun, err minimal install |
| 20:07.29 | tharkun | Iridos: :) |
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| 20:07.51 | Iridos | tharkun, I look up most factoids before I give them out... but I often type and don't copy&paste |
| 20:08.36 | tharkun | jmcnaught: Peace of mind. I've had my unfairly large history of infiltrations due to unnecesary software installed on an exposed server. The monetary tradeoff is not worth it but my peace of mind is. |
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| 20:09.05 | tharkun | Iridos: np it happens to everyone :) |
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| 20:09.14 | Iridos | teraflops, that's client side... and obviously not something that would be legal anywhere |
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| 20:10.52 | teraflops | heh it works |
| 20:11.24 | Iridos | not in any useful way |
| 20:11.44 | Iridos | (except if you want to steal other people's passwords) |
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| 20:11.56 | Spine | Hi guys, my computer is blowing a lot of cold wind in my face and I'm considering installing lm-sensors and fancontrol to manage the turbulence. Do any of you run it? Any issues? |
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| 20:12.04 | teraflops | Iridos: yeah not useful since logs key per key |
| 20:12.13 | awal1 | I have made a lot of changes for xfce4; so how to restore defaults? "dpkg --force-confnew xfce4" ? |
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| 20:12.51 | awal1 | I have asked dpkg about confnew and there are options for apt & aptitude but i no understand the dpkg way |
| 20:13.42 | markybob | awal1: probably just rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4 BUT BACKUP FIRST |
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| 20:14.40 | mtn | awal1: none of the package managers will touch files in your home folder, which is where the configs are |
| 20:14.54 | awal1 | markybob, right, I have did that several times (remove .xfce4 directory in home from tty, after closing xfce4 session) but wanted to understand the dpkg way :) |
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| 20:15.15 | markybob | awal1: there is no way like mtn just explained |
| 20:15.44 | jak2000 | i installed debian on a pc, with cd install, the network card is configured ok, the ping to google answer perfectly and the ping to router answer perfectly, |
| 20:16.22 | awal1 | mtn, ok, |
| 20:16.24 | jak2000 | but apt-get point to cdrom i think all apt-get install mysql, apt-get install openjdk and others say me" E: Unable to locate...... how to fix? |
| 20:16.54 | greycat | jak2000: edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file, commenting out the cd-rom lines |
| 20:17.10 | markybob | jak2000: also those arent packages |
| 20:17.10 | greycat | jak2000: /msg dpkg jessie sources.list |
| 20:17.19 | Iridos | teraflops, one could set the loglevel to DEBUG[1-9] in sshd_config... not sure what that does, but it violates the user's privacy :P |
| 20:17.20 | karlpinc | !tell jak2000 about sources.list |
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| 20:18.09 | teraflops | Iridos: oh |
| 20:18.13 | tharkun | awal1: xfce4 sets up its configuration on a per user basis. I would generate a new user and start there. |
| 20:18.37 | Iridos | (per manpage) |
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| 20:20.17 | tharkun | jmcnaught, Iridos: Thanks if I can't make a base install that suits me out of the box I'm scripting my way out. Be calm I'll test on a VM before :) (I'm crazy but not that much ) |
| 20:20.26 | jak2000 | deb command not found :( |
| 20:20.36 | jak2000 | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main |
| 20:20.38 | awal1 | tharkun, oh, ok, good to know |
| 20:20.42 | jak2000 | deb command not found :( |
| 20:20.44 | markybob | jak2000: it's not a command. that's what you add to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:20.55 | jak2000 | ok ok |
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| 20:22.20 | Iridos | tharkun, well, emdebian is the next smaller obvious choice... |
| 20:22.36 | solarc | can anyone tell me what's the content of the /etc/adjtime file? or how to generate it? |
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| 20:22.47 | tharkun | Iridos: Do not tempt me to walk that path. Lots of fun there :) |
| 20:22.50 | greycat | It should be generated by ntpd, yes? |
| 20:23.35 | markybob | Iridos: tharkun well emdebian is done |
| 20:23.40 | greycat | It doesn't look like a file I would care to edit by hand. |
| 20:24.09 | Iridos | done? |
| 20:24.23 | markybob | Iridos: yes. support/development over |
| 20:24.42 | tharkun | Since when ? |
| 20:25.02 | markybob | https://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian |
| 20:25.17 | karlpinc | Which is a shame, since the xz compression seems to decompress really slowly with low ram. |
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| 20:26.30 | solarc | greycat, it is to set if the hardware clock is in local or utc |
| 20:27.04 | solarc | wiki just says to change that text but I don't have the file and don't know if that's the whole content of the file |
| 20:27.07 | jak2000 | aptitude update command not found :( |
| 20:27.24 | markybob | jak2000: you need to be root |
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| 20:27.55 | jak2000 | i ma on # |
| 20:28.06 | jak2000 | i am on # remeber i installed with a net cd |
| 20:28.15 | greycat | solarc: mine has 3 lines, the first line being 3 numbers (float, int, float), the second line being an int, the third line being "UTC" |
| 20:28.20 | markybob | jak2000: use apt-get update |
| 20:28.53 | greycat | solarc: I would not care to create such a file without a man page documenting what it MEANS. |
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| 20:30.55 | karlpinc | (Humm. This does not seem to be documented anywhere but both bind and nsd seem to use the same data structure for zone files....) |
| 20:31.41 | Iridos | dpkg, emdebian =~ s/oftc.net/oftc.net. As of July 2014, updates to Emdebian distributions ceased, there will be no further stable releases/ |
| 20:31.42 | dpkg | OK, Iridos |
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| 20:32.13 | solarc | greycat, I only see a man for the c adjtime function, not the file |
| 20:32.40 | frikinz | if [ -w /etc ] && [ ! -f /etc/adjtime ] && [ ! -e /etc/adjtime ]; then; printf "0.0 0 0.0\n0\nUTC\n" > /etc/adjtime; fi <<< /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh |
| 20:32.41 | karlpinc | solarc: The file is ment to be created by (I think) ntp. |
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| 20:34.44 | greycat | frikinz: makes one wonder why his system never executed that |
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| 20:35.50 | solarc | thanks karlpinc, greycat I'll check that script |
| 20:36.35 | jak2000 | markybob thanks |
| 20:36.43 | jak2000 | i want install openjdk v8 |
| 20:36.49 | jak2000 | is good follow these steps: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/01/install-openjdk-8-ubuntu-14-04-12-04-lts/ |
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| 20:38.15 | markybob | jak2000: stop |
| 20:38.24 | karlpinc | jak2000: No. Get it from backports. |
| 20:38.25 | markybob | jak2000: don't ever follow ppa/ubuntu crap in debian |
| 20:38.31 | markybob | !tell jak2000 about dontbreakdebian |
| 20:38.38 | karlpinc | !tell jak2000 about backports |
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| 20:39.54 | karlpinc | jak2000: (And what markybob said.) |
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| 20:41.28 | jak2000 | ok |
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| 20:41.54 | jak2000 | then how to install openjdk8? |
| 20:42.07 | tharkun | jmcnaught, Iridos: figured the way to avoid so many unnecesary stuff. The order which you install stuff is indeed important. It did not used to be. It is now. |
| 20:42.18 | karlpinc | jak2000: Get it from backports, per the message the bot sent you. |
| 20:42.24 | jak2000 | ok |
| 20:42.43 | greycat | ,v openjdk-8-jre |
| 20:42.44 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u72-b15-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u72-b15-4; sid: 8u77-b03-3 |
| 20:42.50 | markybob | jak2000: backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 20:43.10 | karlpinc | greycat: (I checked. :-) |
| 20:43.15 | greycat | after setting up the sources and updating, apt-get -t jessie-backports install openjdk-8-jre |
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| 20:43.37 | fred1807 | when I plug a usb hd that is formated as HFS+ (apple's) Debian automont it as RO. I know how to umount and manually mount it rw with command (mount -o remount,rw,force /dev /mntpoint) . But how do I change the automatic behavior to make it RW ? |
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| 20:44.28 | jak2000 | greycat: https://github.com/OpenTreeOfLife/germinator/wiki/Debian-upgrade-notes:-jessie-and-openjdk-8 |
| 20:44.31 | jak2000 | its ok? |
| 20:44.36 | jak2000 | markybob: ok |
| 20:44.50 | greycat | I am not going to check some random URL. Follow the jessie-backports procedure. |
| 20:45.04 | markybob | jak2000: we've given you instructions. read them. |
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| 20:45.30 | jak2000 | doen added the list: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main |
| 20:46.11 | markybob | jak2000: now finish off with what greycat typed out |
| 20:46.26 | greycat | assuming he already did the apt-get update |
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| 20:47.15 | jak2000 | mext apt-get -t jessie-backports install openjdk-8-jre |
| 20:47.21 | jak2000 | installing |
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| 20:47.28 | jak2000 | checking java version: java -v |
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| 20:49.29 | greycat | Wow, that's hilarious. "java -v", "java --version" both fail with a frightening "could not create java virtual machine" message. java -version works. |
| 20:49.51 | greycat | Java. Just when you thought you had already seen bad. |
| 20:50.08 | jak2000 | ok |
| 20:50.09 | jak2000 | :) |
| 20:50.11 | markybob | (tm) |
| 20:50.48 | Iridos | greycat, that's news??? |
| 20:50.57 | greycat | (Not "usage error" or "I don't know from -v" but "could not create Java Virtual Machine". Really?) |
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| 20:52.35 | Iridos | My map says: Java. Here Be Dragons. |
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| 20:53.34 | karlpinc | Iridos: (You need a little footnote about the dragon's owners being greeedy creepy power-mongers.) |
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| 20:54.38 | jak2000 | done |
| 20:54.42 | jak2000 | now for install tomcat? |
| 20:55.00 | jak2000 | where search the packages after: apt-get -t jessie-backports install <tomcat> ? |
| 20:55.09 | karlpinc | jak2000: Why not install the debian tomcat package? |
| 20:55.44 | jak2000 | yes i undrrstand |
| 20:55.50 | jak2000 | but how to know the package name |
| 20:55.50 | teraflops | Mine says: unrecognized option and then it says it cannot... whatever. Try catch :p |
| 20:55.57 | greycat | jessie has tomcat8 and tomcat7, not that I know anything about them |
| 20:56.08 | karlpinc | !tell jak2000 about search |
| 20:56.15 | greycat | knows how to run "apt-cache search tomcat" though |
| 20:56.45 | jak2000 | ok |
| 20:57.18 | l0ll1p0p | jak2000: also grep is good commad to learn since apt-cache provides lot of information |
| 20:57.38 | markybob | jak2000: just make it tomcat8 and that statement you had should work |
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| 20:58.20 | jak2000 | yes |
| 20:58.21 | jak2000 | done |
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| 21:01.21 | jak2000 | ow to know where is installed tomcat? in wich directory? |
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| 21:01.46 | markybob | jak2000: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 21:02.14 | karlpinc | jak2000: Tomcat's a server. It runs. If you want to know where it's files are, they are usually where tomcat keeps them. If debian does something different, see the readme.debian. |
| 21:02.22 | karlpinc | !tell jak2000 about readme.debian |
| 21:02.22 | markybob | smoke break |
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| 21:03.45 | jak2000 | ok |
| 21:03.49 | karlpinc | jak2000: The "dpkg -L ..." will tell you what man pages or other documentation exists. The docs will describe how to use the program. "man tomcat" (Or something like that, depending on the name of the man page.) |
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| 21:05.08 | jak2000 | man tomcat no manual entry for tomcat |
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| 21:05.14 | jak2000 | reading and reading |
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| 21:05.29 | greycat | Also look at all the files in /usr/share/doc/tomcat8/ |
| 21:05.58 | greycat | Sometimes it's easier to start there, than with the output of dpkg -L |
| 21:08.24 | fred1807 | I am searching google for how to automount a usb hfs+ drive in RW, but I can only find guides related to the fstab file. My usb is not always conencted, and I want to make it work for any usb hfs+ drive I connect, doesnt matter the UID |
| 21:08.24 | karlpinc | jak2000: Usually you'd try "man -k tomcat" to search for man pages. Rather than look at all the files installed as reported by dpkg -L. (But docs _can_ be in other formats, like info pages.) |
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| 21:09.08 | karlpinc | fred1807: Take a look at the usbmount package. |
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| 21:13.11 | greycat | Or if the tomcat server process has some name other than "tomcat" (like I dunno, maybe "tomcatd") you can try man-ing that. |
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| 21:13.35 | greycat | I don't even know if tomcat *has* a server process, or if it's a "module" that you call through some black magic. |
| 21:14.31 | Iridos | usbmount has a configurable list of supported mountable filesystems... but it's a global mount thing |
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| 21:16.17 | Iridos | fred1807, fstab solutions can also allow the user mounting/umounting, btw |
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| 21:17.48 | karlpinc | I guess in theory you could also manage automounting usb devices with autofs. That seems overkill. |
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| 21:19.50 | Valdebrick | running as root, I'm getting "permission denied on key 'kernel.core_pattern'" when I do "sysctl -w kernel.core_pattern=core" anyone know why that would be? |
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| 21:22.54 | frikinz | running on a vps? |
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| 21:30.30 | aricz | Hi, I'm still struggling with Bluetooth. I just cut'n'pasted some messages from dmesg http://pastebin.com/D7S1sUqC .. could anyone tell me where I should head from here? |
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| 21:31.16 | aricz | I followed this guide earlier this day https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser, but obviously it didn't do the trick. I wasn't aware of the messages in dmesg at that moment.. |
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| 21:36.50 | teraflops | aricz: do you have installed firmware-atheros? |
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| 21:37.25 | aricz | *facepalm* |
| 21:37.44 | aricz | my oh my.. ok, I'll try a reboot.. let me blush while power is off |
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| 21:41.08 | aricz | guess I didn't have to reboot either.. haha.. |
| 21:41.40 | aricz | well, thanks whoever mentioned the obvious.. of all the guides I read, and all the questions I've asked both here and on #linux.. all day.. |
| 21:41.57 | aricz | bluetooth is now working |
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| 21:46.54 | aricz | and it was all about 'apt-get install firmware-atheros' .. :D okidok, enough emo.. but thanks! |
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| 21:54.04 | warsoul | best shell provider? |
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| 21:58.24 | upp | can any one help with this error: couldn't write to file '/home/upp/.config/autostart' (Bad file descriptor) |
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| 22:07.13 | Valdebrick | frikinz, yes ovh |
| 22:07.20 | bin_bash | can you provide details on how you're gettign that error, uda |
| 22:07.21 | bin_bash | er |
| 22:07.26 | bin_bash | upp* |
| 22:07.33 | bin_bash | o\h i guess hes not here |
| 22:07.58 | Valdebrick | if anyone else can help, I'm running as root, and I'm getting "permission denied on key 'kernel.core_pattern'" when I do "sysctl -w kernel.core_pattern=core" anyone know why that would be? |
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| 22:08.17 | bin_bash | are you running as full root |
| 22:08.41 | Valdebrick | as far as I know. user name is "root" |
| 22:08.42 | bin_bash | like did you do su or su - or sudo su -l |
| 22:08.45 | bin_bash | how did you get to root |
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| 22:08.52 | Valdebrick | logged in ssh as root |
| 22:08.55 | bin_bash | oh |
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| 22:10.01 | bin_bash | Valdebrick: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=permission+denied+on+key+'kernel.core_pattern' |
| 22:10.20 | Valdebrick | yeah, I've checked that and it offers no explanation. |
| 22:10.35 | zmitya | hi guys |
| 22:10.56 | zmitya | I am trying to do my first service file on a fresh Jessie... http://paste.debian.net/424416/ |
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| 22:11.03 | zmitya | if I di systemctl start fw |
| 22:11.07 | bin_bash | Valdebrick: so the permissions are correct then? |
| 22:11.26 | Valdebrick | yes bin_bash |
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| 22:11.35 | zmitya | it does not start my script for some reason |
| 22:11.48 | Almtesh | Hi everyone! |
| 22:12.09 | bin_bash | Valdebrick: what kernel version |
| 22:12.17 | Almtesh | Anyone knows why I would need the root access to ping on my box? |
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| 22:12.31 | bin_bash | no? |
| 22:12.49 | bin_bash | unless it's a shared host or something and ping has been elevated for root users only |
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| 22:13.12 | Almtesh | No, it's a desktop, I'm the only user. |
| 22:13.20 | rattking | ping is usually suid isn't it? |
| 22:13.33 | Valdebrick | bin_bash, 2.6.32-042stab111.12 |
| 22:13.40 | bin_bash | i've never needed root to ping |
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| 22:14.23 | bin_bash | Valdebrick: give me the output of this: ls -l /proc/sys/kernel/co* |
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| 22:14.32 | jmcnaught | Valdebrick: it looks like the type of VPS is a container running on an ancient kernel that you don't control |
| 22:14.41 | TomTomTosch | Almtesh, what does '/bin/ping google.com' say? |
| 22:15.06 | bin_bash | oo jmcnaught good catch. |
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| 22:15.13 | samuelorr | Why is Debian on a slow flash drive 10x faster than Mac OS X on my Mac Mini? Is OS X really that horribly slow? And why? |
| 22:15.21 | bin_bash | what? |
| 22:15.29 | bin_bash | lol |
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| 22:15.51 | bin_bash | how did you benchmark that |
| 22:15.54 | TomTomTosch | samuelorr, if that's a debian live cd then it will load into ram and be pretty fast. |
| 22:16.00 | Valdebrick | bin_bash, http://pastebin.com/T2BFB0LA |
| 22:16.09 | TomTomTosch | samuelorr, maybe your hdd is just very slow. |
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| 22:16.33 | samuelorr | Possibly, but Windows is pretty fast too, and itâs even on the edge of my drive. |
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| 22:16.40 | bin_bash | hm Valdebrick im gonna say that jmcnaught is right and it's to do with your vps |
| 22:16.49 | Valdebrick | ok thanks guys |
| 22:16.50 | bin_bash | samuelorr: how did u benchmark it |
| 22:17.08 | bin_bash | can i see the results |
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| 22:17.32 | samuelorr | ill try to find my geek bench |
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| 22:17.36 | jmcnaught | Valdebrick: if you need control of your kernel in a VPS shop around for a KVM or Xen VPS, and ask the provider if you can run your own kernel. This VPS is using a non-Debian kernel |
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| 22:18.01 | samuelorr | but how fast programs execute is so obviously better on debian that its frustrating |
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| 22:18.12 | bin_bash | samuelorr: well it depends on the programs |
| 22:18.14 | markybob | Valdebrick: if you want a suggestion...linode is pretty good |
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| 22:18.46 | samuelorr | ill try a real install on my disk and hopefully I dont mess up my boot. :) Then I will get back to you. |
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| 22:18.47 | Valdebrick | will do. thanks again all, appreciated. |
| 22:18.52 | TomTomTosch | samuelorr, well, debian is pretty slim, which makes it rather fast. |
| 22:19.14 | trysten | could there be a difference between pv /dev/sdc > sdc.img and dd if=/dev/sdc of=sdc.img |
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| 22:19.31 | bin_bash | samuelorr: if it's a mac and you already have windows install you need to reimage the whole thing |
| 22:19.32 | bin_bash | lol |
| 22:19.36 | bin_bash | he's going to fuck his computer up |
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| 22:19.54 | TomTomTosch | meh, not a debian issue :3 |
| 22:19.57 | bin_bash | i hope he comes back crying cuz he broek it |
| 22:20.05 | TomTomTosch | i don't. |
| 22:20.08 | trysten | heh |
| 22:20.10 | markybob | bin_bash: then you're stupid |
| 22:20.18 | bin_bash | why am i stupid? |
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| 22:20.31 | s7r | where can i download testing .iso? |
| 22:20.34 | markybob | bin_bash: hoping someone harm that'll cause more problems for him and work for us. that's stupid. |
| 22:20.52 | markybob | s7r: alpha 5 is pretty messed up. i wouldn't. |
| 22:21.10 | markybob | s7r: you should use stable installer and dist-upgrade if you must |
| 22:21.12 | bin_bash | markybob: it wouldn't cause work for us at all |
| 22:21.13 | s7r | markybob: but where is the place? i can't find it on debian.org |
| 22:21.16 | bin_bash | https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 22:21.51 | markybob | bin_bash: you still wished someone harm. you need to slow your roll |
| 22:21.51 | TomTomTosch | s7r, don't use that to install testing. |
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| 22:22.23 | TomTomTosch | s7r, go with the stable install and upgrade to testing like markybob said. you will find the stable installer on debian.org |
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| 22:23.06 | s7r | TomTomTosch: yeah already have that. |
| 22:23.15 | s7r | i should get the sources.list from /etc/apt? |
| 22:23.37 | bin_bash | lol |
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| 22:24.11 | s7r | sorry edit* TomTomTosch |
| 22:24.11 | TomTomTosch | !tell s7r about stable->testing |
| 22:24.27 | TomTomTosch | s7r, the bot has given you instructions. |
| 22:24.38 | jmcnaught | s7r: if you're not very experienced with Debian you should consider using Jessie for a while to get your sea legs |
| 22:24.57 | s7r | thanks. |
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| 22:27.26 | upp | http://paste.debian.net/424447/ can some one help with th is source.list issue |
| 22:27.45 | upp | i have add the last 2 lines in source.list |
| 22:27.49 | upp | and after apt-get update |
| 22:27.54 | upp | W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net trusty InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 52B709720F164EEB |
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| 22:28.02 | markybob | upp: no. you done fucked that up |
| 22:28.13 | markybob | upp: you don't mix debian and ubuntu and expect things to work |
| 22:28.19 | markybob | !tell upp about dontbreakdebian |
| 22:28.34 | teraflops | upp: ewww |
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| 22:28.50 | upp | i havn't see ubuntu there, just copy paste :D |
| 22:29.00 | upp | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJQGDXPxycc |
| 22:29.05 | upp | take a look ^^ |
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| 22:29.31 | upp | some tutorial are shit |
| 22:29.34 | TomTomTosch | ye, that's a terrible idea. |
| 22:29.35 | markybob | upp: your last two lines are ubuntu sources. and i don't need to watch a youtube video to know that. you should see what the bot told you about dontbreakdebian |
| 22:30.00 | teraflops | upp: well, avoid youutube tutorials as the bubonic plague :P |
| 22:30.17 | upp | markybob: i get, the video was a tuto, so i thought it was from a good source |
| 22:30.35 | upp | teraflops: what is the alternative? |
| 22:30.58 | teraflops | wiki.debian.org |
| 22:31.04 | jmcnaught | upp: even if a third party repo works at first, it might break a future upgrade. gotta ask yourself if a theme is worth risking the integrity of your system |
| 22:31.05 | teraflops | or just ask here |
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| 22:32.49 | zykotick9 | suggests two signs a video tutorial might not be a good one: 1) music and 2) they use nano |
| 22:32.58 | teraflops | lel |
| 22:33.50 | upp | jmcnaught: so i will install it with git :-) |
| 22:34.20 | upp | the downside of clone a git repo is update |
| 22:35.20 | Almtesh | TomTomTosch, sorry for the delay, it says "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted". |
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| 22:36.30 | jmcnaught | upp: again, it's up to you if it's worth it. |
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| 22:40.39 | teraflops | Almtesh: hmm, I'm late to the dinner, tried reinstalling iputils-ping |
| 22:40.43 | TomTomTosch | Almtesh, what does 'ls -alF /bin/ping' say? |
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| 22:44.08 | teraflops | Almtesh: also `sudo getcap /bin/ping` |
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| 22:45.09 | teraflops | i guess reinstalling is fine, if not chmod u+s, unless weird things happens there |
| 22:45.25 | teraflops | reinstalling the package not the system :P |
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| 22:48.43 | Almtesh | TomTomTosch, "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 44K nov. 8 2014 /bin/ping*" |
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| 22:49.58 | Almtesh | teraflops, "Failed to get capabilities of file `/bin/ping' (Operation not supported)" |
| 22:50.40 | jmcnaught | Almtesh: have you installed any sort of security software like apparmor or selinux? what does "uname -a" say? |
| 22:51.10 | Almtesh | jmcnaught, "Linux Stardust 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-1 (2016-03-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux" |
| 22:51.35 | Almtesh | jmcnaught, I don't know is selinux or apparmor is installed. |
| 22:52.14 | Almtesh | jmcnaught, I have installed Iceweasel, I know it installs apparmor configuration, but I don't know if apparmor is actually installed. |
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| 22:52.41 | teraflops | Almtesh: try to chmod u+s /bin/ping. also, did you rsynched the system from a backup, using a weird (or borked) filesystem, etc...? |
| 22:53.14 | jmcnaught | Almtesh: you'd probably remember setting apparmor up. What was the output of "/sbin/getcap /bin/ping"? You shouldn't need to use setuid root as teraflops is suggesting |
| 22:54.28 | Almtesh | teraflops, setting u+s will execute ping as root, that does not resolve the problem. |
| 22:54.58 | jmcnaught | Almtesh: getcap tells me: /bin/ping = cap_net_raw+ep |
| 22:55.07 | Almtesh | jmcnaught, "Failed to get capabilities of file `/bin/ping' (Operation not supported)" |
| 22:55.14 | teraflops | Almtesh jmcnaught right |
| 22:56.04 | Almtesh | teraflops, what do you call a "weird filesystem"? |
| 22:56.14 | jmcnaught | Almtesh: run the getcap command as root then |
| 22:56.31 | Almtesh | jmcnaught, I get the same message. |
| 22:56.55 | teraflops | Almtesh: I said sudo for getcap :P |
| 22:57.09 | TomTomTosch | is this a normal installation or some docker stuff? looks like the fs does not support extended attributes? |
| 22:57.14 | Almtesh | teraflops, yes, you did. |
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| 22:57.48 | teraflops | also `setcap cap_net_raw+ep /sbin/ping` sounds saner if is missing the capability |
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| 22:58.00 | Almtesh | TomTomTosch, I don't know what is docker, my installation is normal, but not done from a installation iso. |
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| 22:58.09 | teraflops | Almtesh: ah |
| 22:58.27 | jmcnaught | Almtesh: how was it installed then? It sounds like capabilities are disabled on your system |
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| 22:58.30 | Almtesh | TomTomTosch, the box does not have any hard drive, I boot it from network. |
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| 22:59.33 | Almtesh | jmcnaught, how could I enable the capability? |
| 22:59.55 | teraflops | `setcap cap_net_raw+ep /sbin/ping` |
| 23:00.02 | teraflops | sorry /bin/ping |
| 23:00.19 | Almtesh | teraflops, as root, I suppose. |
| 23:00.24 | teraflops | yeah |
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| 23:00.52 | Almtesh | Failed to set capabilities on file `/bin/ping' (Invalid argument) |
| 23:00.52 | Almtesh | The value of the capability argument is not permitted for a file. Or the file is not a regular (non-symlink) file |
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| 23:01.46 | Almtesh | The mount line for /bin : "10.255.1.1:/srv/netboot/systems/stardust on / type nfs (rw,relatime,vers=3,rsize=524288,wsize=524288,namlen=255,hard,nolock,proto=tcp,port=2049,timeo=7,retrans=10,sec=sys,local_lock=all,addr=10.255.1.1)" |
| 23:01.49 | jmcnaught | Almtesh: can you check if "acl" is in the default mount options of your root filesystem? If it's ext4, it'll be "tune2fs -l /dev/sdX" (or whatever your root fs is on) |
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| 23:02.09 | jmcnaught | ahhh... |
| 23:02.40 | Almtesh | Yes, nfs for network boot, I don't use iSCSI, I don't really like. |
| 23:02.51 | clearskies | Hey - anyone know why gnome isn't respecting some environment vars (namely LD_PRELOAD) when I launch programs? |
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| 23:04.34 | Almtesh | jmcnaught, how do I activate the acl for a nfs filesystem. |
| 23:04.44 | Almtesh | They are activated on the nfs server. |
| 23:05.18 | Almtesh | Wait a minute, how did ping work for the previous version, I remember that it already worked. |
| 23:06.00 | jmcnaught | Almtesh: i'm not sure exactly |
| 23:06.00 | teraflops | Almtesh: they forget to activate it? |
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| 23:07.38 | teraflops | it's like running a openvz container and trying to enable tun but you cannot unless they do, I guess |
| 23:08.21 | jmcnaught | Almtesh: nfs(5) says acl is a mount option |
| 23:08.32 | Almtesh | OK, I will see later, I'm tired. |
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| 23:09.11 | Almtesh | Thanks TomTomTosch, teraflops, jmcnaught, and good night to you, I'm going to bed. |
| 23:09.28 | Almtesh | I will see if I can activate the acl in any maner. |
| 23:09.28 | teraflops | Almtesh: np, at least you figure out the issue |
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| 23:09.36 | teraflops | figured* |
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| 23:31.06 | trysten | so.. can I operate without a DNS cache daemon? |
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| 23:31.56 | trysten | because that seems to be happening. I don't have BIND or any other recognizable cacher |
| 23:32.26 | trysten | scripts |
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| 23:41.26 | labyrinth153 | im convinced open source is the best, i installed debian on my mac and it works flawlessly fast |
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| 23:42.43 | labyrinth153 | thanks everyone :) |
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