| 00:00.13 | TomTomTosch | lux7676: official debian does not come with non-free software. |
| 00:00.20 | NYTimes | TomTomTosch: markybob thx cya sorry for the noise |
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| 00:00.49 | lux7676 | pingfloyd but i need to use the one that lets me install without internet |
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| 00:00.54 | lux7676 | could i use debian-8.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 00:00.58 | markybob | lux7676: i really don't know how many more times you want to have this discussion. it's reaching the definition of insanity |
| 00:00.59 | lux7676 | is this the offline one ? |
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| 00:01.23 | lux7676 | markybob sorry |
| 00:01.40 | markybob | lux7676: you said you wanted gnome. that's xfce, not gnome |
| 00:02.06 | lux7676 | oh |
| 00:02.45 | pingfloyd | xfce is better than gnome anyway |
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| 00:03.02 | markybob | i actually agree but it's not what he asked for |
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| 00:03.15 | lux7676 | what is the main difference ? |
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| 00:03.21 | lux7676 | xfce is faster ? |
| 00:03.25 | lux7676 | more secure ? |
| 00:03.31 | TomTomTosch | they look different. |
| 00:03.36 | lux7676 | oh |
| 00:03.50 | pingfloyd | lux7676: xfce is much less bloated |
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| 00:04.10 | pingfloyd | lux7676: but still a reasonable DE at the same time |
| 00:04.31 | TomTomTosch | both get the same done. it's more about taste. |
| 00:04.38 | pingfloyd | lux7676: definitely much lighter |
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| 00:06.09 | linuxfool | What DE are you rocking, pingfloyd ? |
| 00:06.10 | lux7676 | pingfloyd is this something like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Debian_6.0.2.1.png |
| 00:06.30 | pingfloyd | lux7676: that screenshot is gnome 2 |
| 00:06.47 | lux7676 | oh |
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| 00:08.24 | pingfloyd | lux7676: here's a bunch of screenshots of xfce4 https://www.google.com/search?q=xfce4&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=660&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiN7KCd44LMAhVP0GMKHRQTB2UQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=EQMM_Gx117OnOM%3A |
| 00:08.47 | lux7676 | thanks |
| 00:10.41 | lux7676 | pingfloyd it seems more modern |
| 00:10.43 | lux7676 | lol |
| 00:11.25 | markybob | lux7676: now google what gnome3 looks like |
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| 00:12.34 | lux7676 | markybob it looks like ubuntu wow, see this is what i dont want |
| 00:12.55 | markybob | lux7676: well you said it was :P then yeah, get the xfce cd |
| 00:12.56 | lux7676 | i wanted it to be really basic simply style |
| 00:13.02 | lux7676 | yes |
| 00:13.03 | armin | then customize to da bone bro |
| 00:13.12 | armin | \m/ |
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| 00:13.58 | Mathisen | where is the console command history saved ? |
| 00:14.20 | markybob | Mathisen: ~/.bash_history |
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| 00:14.24 | Mathisen | thx |
| 00:16.46 | amdp | hello, very stupid question: installing a dns server on my dedicated server and linking my dns (name)server to my domain will make accessing the sites on my server in LESS time than using BIG dns (name)servers like google or others? |
| 00:17.43 | markybob | amdp: sounds like you just want caching like dnsmasq. look into that |
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| 00:19.17 | amdp | markybob: I looked but the question remains unclear |
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| 00:20.15 | markybob | amdp: once dnsmasq is installed and set up, say someone looks up google.com, it might take 20ms to resolve. then it's cached. 1ms. |
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| 00:21.28 | markybob | amdp: does that really matter to human brains? not really unless you have a lot of boxes connected and doing searches. |
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| 00:22.02 | TomTomTosch | and browsers have their own cache. so... meh. |
| 00:22.06 | lux7676 | thanks for the help |
| 00:22.14 | lux7676 | i gotta go |
| 00:22.20 | lux7676 | bye |
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| 00:25.18 | amdp | markybob: I'll do, but I just need to understand. There's a server ip, and a website whose files are in that physical server. The DNS nameservers like google or domaincontrol.com set up in your domain settings link a name you type in the address bar to that ip and propagate that, so that anybody who types that domain get to that ip and that server. Having an internal DNS server like BIND or like dnsmasq makes it faster the process |
| 00:25.18 | amdp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.48 | markybob | amdp: oh that's what you mean. no |
| 00:26.14 | markybob | amdp: don't even bother. use whatever provider you registered your domain with offers |
| 00:26.44 | amdp | so it's ok if I leave google or any dns nameserver on the domain and save cpu on my server is better? or not? |
| 00:27.15 | markybob | amdp: i didn't know google offered that kind of dns but sure if it does. i use linode's dns for my servers |
| 00:27.36 | amdp | are there some faster and some less? |
| 00:27.59 | markybob | amdp: use whatever your provider (who you bought your domain with) offers |
| 00:28.52 | linuxfool | exit |
| 00:29.34 | amdp | ok, another question to understand the process: the nameservers on my domain just propagate the info about the link between domain name and ip, aren't responsible for the speed of resolving it, or I am wrong? |
| 00:30.22 | markybob | amdp: the root servers point to your dns server. that server points to your actual server. but it's really fast and you have nothing to worry about. |
| 00:30.30 | markybob | amdp: there are caches all along the way |
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| 00:31.03 | amdp | propagating is different than resolving, right? |
| 00:31.54 | markybob | english isn't my first language so i'm not sure i'm comfortable with semantics like that. |
| 00:34.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | amdp, well, only if you mean forwarding requests or slave servers. |
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| 00:36.18 | jmcnaught | amdp: the propagation delay is related to the Time To Live (TTL) of the domain record. If you set your TTL to be 12 hours, then change your DNS records to point to a different IP or something, other DNS resolvers might not see the change for up to 12 hours because they will cache results for however long the TTL tells them to |
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| 00:42.23 | amdp | ok, got it |
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| 00:43.12 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 00:43.42 | amdp | then when someone writes the address on her browser the time to associate the ip to the domain name and going to that ip is the "resolving" ? |
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| 00:45.19 | jmcnaught | amdp: yes. their computer asks the DNS resolver listed in /etc/resolv.conf which does the resolving |
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| 01:00.32 | amdp | so the browser asks the local machine to connect to a DNS resolver listed in /etc/resolv.conf, and the dns resolver is usually NOT in the client |
| 01:00.59 | amdp | then the resolving time is function of what aspects? |
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| 01:02.01 | socomm | amdp: Can you re-word your question. |
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| 01:02.29 | jmcnaught | amdp: wikipedia's article about DNS is pretty thorough if you want to understand how all the parts work. |
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| 01:05.23 | amdp | socomm: Sure. When somebody types on a browser the name of a website, is that called the "resolving" part? jmcnaught: I am sorry, but propagating and resolving mix and I still don't get the process exactly |
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| 01:06.53 | socomm | amdp: No that is query, resolution gets done further down the stack. |
| 01:07.25 | socomm | amdp: https://www.verisign.com/en_US/domain-names/online/how-dns-works/index.xhtml |
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| 01:10.27 | amdp | socomm: nice :-) so, the first query goes to the "recursive resolver", is there a way to know which one is the one I (or another person) am using? |
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| 01:21.13 | pingfloyd | amdp: resolving is taking the domain name and returning the ip address |
| 01:22.04 | pingfloyd | amdp: some browser don't use the libc resolver though. For instance, firefox uses its own |
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| 01:22.18 | amdp | what determines the time of the querying and resolving phase? |
| 01:22.36 | pingfloyd | amdp: this is why you can have issues with name resolution in say apt-get but can still browse without issues. |
| 01:22.58 | amdp | pingfloyd: ok, nice |
| 01:23.27 | pingfloyd | amdp: depends on what is cached on the name server |
| 01:24.02 | pingfloyd | amdp: if it's cached it can return the query, otherwise it needs to do some resolving itself |
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| 01:25.09 | Mathisen | anyone that can recomend me a CLI program that can check for podcasts and automaticly download them ? |
| 01:25.30 | pingfloyd | amdp: what you use for your name resolution directly is a recursive name server. |
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| 01:26.12 | pingfloyd | amdp: also other factors can effect the speed of the name resolution |
| 01:26.24 | amdp | are the nameservers associated with the domain responsible of the name resolution? |
| 01:26.25 | pingfloyd | amdp: like the network and the load of the name server, etc. |
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| 01:27.29 | amdp | pingfloyd: the nameservers responsible of the propagation |
| 01:28.25 | pingfloyd | amdp: your requests usually work like this: the recursive name server is queried, if it has the record in cache it is returned. If it isn't it needs to in turn next query a root server to find the TLD server to query next, and then from their it can query the authoritative name server. Then it can return the query to the client. |
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| 01:29.43 | pingfloyd | amdp: propagation implies other name servers to have their records updated to match the authoritative name server. |
| 01:30.06 | pingfloyd | amdp: this is influenced by TTL setting on the authoritative name server. |
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| 01:31.08 | pingfloyd | amdp: this is why it is a good idea to set TTL real low in preparation for you updating records on your authoritative name server. |
| 01:31.39 | amdp | so the propagation nameservers AFTER propagating do NOT affect the resolution/resolving ? |
| 01:31.58 | pingfloyd | amdp: propagating DNS records |
| 01:32.40 | pingfloyd | amdp: propagation is the act of other name servers getting their records updated when there is a change in them. |
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| 01:32.59 | amdp | pingfloyd: so the propagation nameservers AFTER propagating do NOT affect the resolution/resolving ? (I don't understand your answer, my question is dumb just to clarify) |
| 01:33.17 | pingfloyd | amdp: propagation affects when the records are updated |
| 01:33.22 | pingfloyd | not the resolution |
| 01:33.31 | amdp | great thanks! |
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| 01:34.07 | pingfloyd | it's just if their is a hold up in propagation, records that are no longer valid (the old ones) may be returned in resolution. |
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| 01:35.40 | amdp | pingfloyd: ok, that is finally clear. So in resolving first there's a query, the query goes to the recursive resolver which is local stuff, a local check if there's a cache already able to resolve the domain name? |
| 01:36.05 | amdp | if there's no cache, it escalates to the root nameserver |
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| 01:37.26 | markybob | amdp: not to root, no. |
| 01:37.54 | amdp | markybob: but the first part is correct? |
| 01:37.56 | markybob | amdp: whatever the isp your you set. then root eventually if it can't find anything |
| 01:38.02 | markybob | amdp: yes |
| 01:38.03 | pingfloyd | amdp: there may be more than recursive name server involved |
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| 01:38.08 | pingfloyd | than one |
| 01:38.21 | foul_owl | Hi folks. gnome-screenshot segfaults when passing the -w option |
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| 01:39.13 | pingfloyd | amdp: eventually the root server is queried if non of the recursive name servers (and the other ones I told you about) can resolve it |
| 01:39.48 | amdp | markybob: pingfloyd: so recursive resolverS try, then they ask the root |
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| 01:40.03 | markybob | amdp: yeah. but it hardly ever gets there |
| 01:40.05 | pingfloyd | amdp: yes |
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| 01:40.41 | jak2000 | i have 1.5tb free in a lvm partition. how to create a partition, named: backups and mounted on /backups ? here more details: http://pastebin.com/HmANZEHn |
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| 01:41.11 | amdp | markybob: pingfloyd: amazing, that second piece is very clear now. So recursive name servers, besides browsers cache and local wifi, cannot be influenced if not by the ISP |
| 01:42.04 | pingfloyd | amdp: once the root servers are being queried (if it even comes to that), it means none of the recursive name servers involved in the chain were able to resolve. |
| 01:42.51 | markybob | amdp: sure can. this is how some isps have inserted ads into search queries |
| 01:43.06 | pingfloyd | amdp: yeah, there is all sorts of caches involved to mitigate the recursive querying which makes it take longer to resolve. |
| 01:43.37 | markybob | amdp: oh if not by isp. misread. you're right |
| 01:43.45 | markybob | again, english not first tongue |
| 01:44.55 | amdp | ok nice! and RARELY they need to ask root nameservers, in that case the speed is just based on root nameservers distance and root nameservers speed |
| 01:45.10 | amdp | markybob: pingfloyd: ^ |
| 01:45.27 | pingfloyd | amdp: aside from local caching mechanisms, it all starts at the name server your application has set as a name server, e.g., /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:45.54 | amdp | pingfloyd: application = browser ? |
| 01:46.09 | pingfloyd | amdp: i.e., sometimes the resolution doesn't even have to reach the name server you've set |
| 01:46.34 | pingfloyd | amdp: browser is an example |
| 01:46.41 | jmcnaught | maybe at this point the DNS discussion belongs in #debian-offtopic |
| 01:46.49 | amdp | pingfloyd: I see, okay, got it |
| 01:46.55 | jmcnaught | jak2000: "man lvcreate" is what you're looking for. |
| 01:47.02 | pingfloyd | amdp: like I mentioned earlier, firefox uses its own resolver |
| 01:47.45 | amdp | jmcnaught: you're right sorry, the overall concept is understanding the role of a debian server in influencing the resolving phase |
| 01:47.47 | pingfloyd | amdp: like ever experienced where apt-get can't resolve, but you can browse just fine? This is why. |
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| 01:48.01 | amdp | pingfloyd: yea :-) |
| 01:48.01 | pingfloyd | or vice-versa? |
| 01:48.21 | amdp | pingfloyd: in my case vice-versa :-) |
| 01:49.28 | amdp | pingfloyd: so basically the debian server at the IP resolved can't do anything to make the resolution phase faster, right? |
| 01:50.03 | pingfloyd | amdp: the debian server isn't involved in resolution |
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| 01:50.52 | amdp | pingfloyd: another thing is clear :-) thanks. Installing BIND on a Debian server helps the propagation? |
| 01:51.06 | pingfloyd | yeah |
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| 01:51.27 | pingfloyd | that can speed things up as you have records cached locally |
| 01:51.40 | themill | "helps"? it's either essential or irrelevant. |
| 01:51.41 | jak2000 | jmcnaught ok |
| 01:52.00 | markybob | no. don't do that. why? he barely understands the essentials. he should use what his provider gives him |
| 01:52.03 | pingfloyd | amdp: though it doesn't affect the propagation |
| 01:52.14 | pingfloyd | amdp: resolution and propagation are different things |
| 01:52.48 | pingfloyd | resolution is returning answers to queries. Propagation is update of record changes between name servers. |
| 01:54.01 | amdp | ok, so sorry to everyone for the off-topic, now I have everything clear. Thanks to pingfloyd, markybob, jmcnaught, socomm |
| 01:54.06 | pingfloyd | amdp: mainly what affects the speed of propagation is the TTL set on the authoritative name server that has the records for the domain in question. |
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| 01:54.27 | pingfloyd | beyond that is out of your control |
| 01:54.48 | amdp | pingfloyd: yup, very clear now, thanks :-) |
| 01:54.49 | markybob | yes but that has nothing to do with resolution. just wait the default 15 min |
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| 02:13.23 | mdim | hi all |
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| 02:13.43 | mdim | I'm puzzled by a Debian mirror redirection service that seems unreliable to me |
| 02:14.19 | mdim | in particular, if one uses http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ as the mirror, often times they can get an error like this: E: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libj/libjson-xs-perl/libjson-xs-perl_2.340-1+b2_amd64.deb Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 128.31.0.66 80] |
| 02:14.25 | mdim | any clue why is that so? |
| 02:15.46 | mdim | various virtual images and containers depend on the very redirection service, and if there is a new Debian user unfamiliar with the redirection service, they are likely to go with a different OS/distro as "it doesn't work with Debian" |
| 02:16.16 | markybob | jesus why is greycat's shit keep getting deleted?? |
| 02:16.18 | themill | mdim: a specific package being missing would mean that you need to apt-get update |
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| 02:17.06 | themill | mdim: if you've got a nearby, reliable mirror then just use that rather than the redirector |
| 02:17.08 | themill | markybob: because it was incorrect nonsense that was making it harder to find the real information? |
| 02:17.12 | mdim | themill: a funny thing is I did that just before fetching the package |
| 02:17.32 | markybob | themill: oh so it's you? he asked about it. i'll let him know. |
| 02:17.33 | mdim | themill: I know how to change that, but that doesn't answer my original question |
| 02:18.02 | themill | markybob: btw in terms of "keep getting deleted" I fixed it up once |
| 02:18.43 | mdim | themill: i.e. just before trying to fetch the package |
| 02:19.24 | themill | mdim: it would be handy to know which mirror was actually being used |
| 02:19.29 | themill | !which http.d.n |
| 02:20.02 | themill | !which http.debian.net |
| 02:20.02 | dpkg | To see which mirror you are being sent to by the <httpredir.debian.org> redirector, substitute the appropriate release and architecture into the following: «wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz 2>&1 | grep Location». You can also look for the Release file or individual .debs if you want. |
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| 02:23.20 | mdim | themill: I'll check that now. I'm not sure if the answer is going to be deterministic as I'm running this on Gitlab.com's continuous integration service |
| 02:23.55 | themill | you can indeed be sent off to one of many different mirrors although it does tend to be reasonably constant on any given machine |
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| 02:24.46 | mdim | themill: my point is - these are virtual machines/containers, potentially in a cloud, potentially anywhere on Earth |
| 02:25.24 | themill | do they actually have more than one data centre and do you not pay differently for different locations? |
| 02:26.03 | mdim | themill: I don't know. I'm just saying I have no clue where an actual physical machine is. I'll run the command you suggested now, but as you said, the answer might be different this time |
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| 02:26.20 | mdim | themill: I'm not paying for this service. It's for free |
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| 02:28.36 | themill | markybob: oh, and greycat's info is still there, it was just that you couldn't find it. /msg dpkg httpredir issues; do try to avoid throwing blame around ... |
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| 02:28.52 | themill | mdim: ack. |
| 02:30.11 | themill | mdim: httpredir would be the best service to use in that case but because mirrors are (badly) run by lots of organisations debian has no control over, it's hard to ensure they are all functioning properly |
| 02:30.52 | markybob | themill: this was my fault. it has been deleted before. i did ask, not accuse. big difference. and you affirmed. |
| 02:30.55 | themill | mdim: the cloudfront.debian.net repo could make a reasonable choice (although the way it does its mirroring is inherently broken, that's only for a few minutes at a time) |
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| 02:31.19 | themill | markybob: with added and unwelcome profanity. |
| 02:32.14 | markybob | themill: there was no profanity. |
| 02:32.25 | markybob | themill: oh so it's you? he asked about it. i'll let him know. |
| 02:32.32 | themill | mdim: cloudfront.d.n is also run by a DD who works for the relevant organisation |
| 02:32.53 | markybob | themill: now you're just being silly for no reason because you don't like me. |
| 02:32.59 | themill | markybob: please stop, this is getting beyond a joke |
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| 02:36.24 | mdim | themill: so what you just said baffles me - the mirrors are badly run, yet we happily use httpredir and send users to the very same badly run mirrors |
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| 02:37.00 | markybob | a lot of what he says baffles me |
| 02:37.21 | themill | mdim: well httpredir tries to ensure that you only get sent to working mirrors. Without trying to download every single file from the mirror (which would defeat the purpose) it has to have some heuristics to try to spot badly set up mirrors |
| 02:37.55 | themill | mdim: 99% of the problems with mirrors are in the sync phase with Packages, Release and Translations files being updated in the wrong order and that is what httpredir detects |
| 02:38.40 | themill | mdim: a failure like an individual package going missing is very rare and it cannot reasonably detect |
| 02:42.33 | mdim | themill: thanks for the explanation. I hope you do see what I'm pointing out here - someone might rely on httpredir in their automated systems (e.g., CI) and things can brake non-deterministically. Unfortunately, httpredir is used in e.g. the official Docker image for Debian |
| 02:42.56 | themill | yeah, and it is intended to be reliable |
| 02:43.43 | mdim | themill: that's a lesson I just re-learned - don't rely on httpredir in the automated systems |
| 02:43.44 | themill | it should be more reliable than any individual mirror unless you happen to be the mirror admin and it makes a much better solution than picking one random mirror and hard-coding that instead |
| 02:44.35 | mdim | I don't recall seeing such problems with mirrors I use otherwise on my machines (e.g., with the ftp.us.debian.org mirror) |
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| 02:45.07 | mdim | themill: so I guess I was lucky to have used reliable mirrors so far |
| 02:45.42 | themill | ftp.us.d.o is frequently a problem because it is a round-robin |
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| 02:46.13 | themill | you end up getting Release from one machine, Packages from another and they then don't match. Game over. |
| 02:46.35 | themill | (or Packages from one machine and missing packages on the next) |
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| 03:18.37 | jml2 | !source |
| 03:18.37 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package> |
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| 03:19.18 | jml2 | im a bit of a noob when it comes to checking debian/rules with source packages... is this the file which is supposed to carry all CFLAGS as well as things like --enable-<> ? |
| 03:20.13 | themill | CFLAGS might be in there but only if the build system defaults need overriding. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 03:20.59 | jml2 | themill, trying to determine what features were compiled with an app (libav-tools) as i think i'm missing a codec that is not available |
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| 03:21.53 | themill | pick a nice simple package for your first one to look at ;) |
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| 03:22.22 | jml2 | (the readme notes from anything i check from debian binary doesn't indicate this-- and the "list-codecs" related options does not guarantee to me they've been compiled -- i think these are just informational) |
| 03:22.50 | jml2 | themill, oh its simple :) |
| 03:23.06 | themill | libav is anything but, sadly; which codec are you looking for? |
| 03:23.50 | jml2 | themill, you're making it complicating :).. so i suppose it's just debian/rules then i have to look at.. |
| 03:23.57 | jml2 | (which i'm currently looking at) |
| 03:24.09 | themill | you're not going to find the answer there, which is why I'm asking |
| 03:25.40 | jml2 | themill, the ./configure --help (not that i'm using ./configure , i'm just listing defaults )--- tells me " --enable-avisynth enable reading of AviSynth script files [no] " -- I suppose "[no]" here means it is an upstream default.. and if --enable-avisynth is not in the rules then this won't be a feature, this is not the feature i'm after but i suppose i'm right in this regard |
| 03:26.51 | jml2 | kk |
| 03:27.24 | themill | [no] will mean upstream default but it not being in d/rules doesn't mean much as this is a seriously complicated package |
| 03:28.26 | themill | Is it just the cli av* tools you need? If so, the ffmpeg package from jessie-backports might be a better choice. |
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| 03:29.43 | Xman | hello all |
| 03:30.33 | themill | jml2: avisynth appears to be enabled in the jessie-backports package |
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| 03:30.53 | themill | *ffmpeg package |
| 03:31.51 | jml2 | the avconv tool is not picking up 'mpeg-2 stream transport' format properly, so i have to use Handbrake-cli to convert it, ... |
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| 03:32.18 | jml2 | handbrake has its limitations but it does a pretty good job |
| 03:32.28 | jml2 | though i'd like to use some other of avconv's features |
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| 03:35.25 | jml2 | interesting, i have bpo enabled and there's 7.x edition, here i have 6.x currently installed.. i can check that newer edition |
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| 03:38.02 | jml2 | themill, interesting it looks like this latest libav-tools allows itself to co-exists with "ffmpeg" -- before ffmpeg cannot be installed at the same time |
| 03:40.53 | themill | jml2: it declares a Replaces: libav-tools meaning that it will overwrite some files from the other package. (Looking at the package lists, probably just /usr/bin/qt-faststart. |
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| 04:04.10 | jml2 | themill, hmm, not sure where to look, i guess i can ask on #ffmpeg/avconv, my problem is the -acodec is not picking up audio data -- maybe there's a forced duration somewhere.. but both ffmpeg and avconv give me this problem.. |
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| 04:21.23 | han-solo | is there any way to find the location of one from ip? |
| 04:21.28 | han-solo | like geoip? |
| 04:22.15 | jml2 | han-solo, nope |
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| 04:22.45 | jml2 | han-solo, only your isp can really know |
| 04:23.35 | han-solo | i mean others location from ips |
| 04:25.08 | sypher | sudo bash -c "echo 'deb https://weechat.org/debian jessie main' >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/weechat.list" |
| 04:25.11 | sypher | sudo bash -c "echo 'deb-src https://weechat.org/debian jessie main' >>/etc/apt/sources.list.d/weechat.list" |
| 04:25.20 | sypher | Uhh, that wasn't supposed to happen. Sorry. |
| 04:25.34 | prussian | np sypher lol |
| 04:25.37 | arahael | sypher: Are we allowed to mock you for it? ;) |
| 04:25.51 | sypher | You know what, I derp-pasted into a channel, go for it. :P |
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| 04:29.23 | Travis_ | done that |
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| 04:44.48 | kiril | Hello |
| 04:45.03 | kiril | someone could you tell me is that normal |
| 04:45.14 | kiril | Debian-+ 921 0.0 0.0 53252 3240 ? Ss Apr09 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m |
| 04:48.15 | themill | You might need to explain what you think is abnormal about it |
| 04:48.39 | Travis_ | lol yeah |
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| 04:50.15 | Travis_ | I have a 1.7 TB of storage on my personal use desktop PC im wiping windows and installing debian... should I use xfs or ext4 ... I heard its hard to upgrade storage past like 3TB if you choose ext4 idk though |
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| 04:51.52 | somiaj | Travis_: my suggestion for people in linux is to use ext4 unless you have a specific reason to not to. I personally haven't heard of limits like 3TB in ext4, but for a personal computer I think y ou'll be fine. |
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| 04:52.26 | somiaj | google seems to suggest ext can do up to 16tb and has pages to say how to get bigger than that. |
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| 04:52.53 | prussian | well |
| 04:53.01 | Travis_ | weird .. .well it has been a while since ive bothered looking into FS' lol |
| 04:53.05 | prussian | I would say LVM first, then worry about that later |
| 04:53.13 | prussian | LVM is very useful |
| 04:53.26 | somiaj | prussian: that is another question, using LVM or not will still have the ext4 question. (: |
| 04:53.58 | Travis_ | idk much about this but why is there no zfs option in debian |
| 04:54.09 | Travis_ | I hear about zfs all the time |
| 04:54.11 | Travis_ | never seen it |
| 04:54.22 | somiaj | Travis_: maybe you saw some info about ext3 (note ext3 and ext4 are just built on top of ext2, which has been the file system in linux for ages. I say stick with it because of the length behind its testing. But there are specific reasons why one file system may fit some needs over another. I don't think these effect most people |
| 04:54.22 | prussian | somiaj: well, ya but you answer the fs question later :) |
| 04:54.36 | prussian | and you could always go back with lvm easily :D |
| 04:54.59 | somiaj | Travis_: I always see some new file ssytem being the new rage, zfs is popular lately due to linux support being new. The fat that its support in linux is new is enough to let me wait a few years to even check itout. (: |
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| 04:55.25 | hanasaki | Is this bug fixed? not sure from the report.. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=764438 |
| 04:55.39 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/764438 in spamassassin (closed): «spamassassin: spamd doesn't autostart in jessie»; severity: important; opened: 2014-10-08; last modified: 2014-11-21. |
| 04:55.39 | somiaj | hanasaki: the bug report should say what version it was fixed int. |
| 04:55.47 | somiaj | hanasaki: if it was fixed, it is usually fairly clear. |
| 04:55.49 | Travis_ | somiaj in the future I plan on using this pc as a home server ... I guess I don't have to worry about that much now but I just have a habit of keeping an os forever |
| 04:56.19 | somiaj | Travis_: I still dont' think you'll notice much difference between file systems. |
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| 04:57.08 | somiaj | ,v spamassassin |
| 04:57.09 | judd | Package: spamassassin on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.3.1-1.1; squeeze-backports: 3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.3.2-5+deb7u3; wheezy-updates: 3.3.2-5+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 3.4.0-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.4.0-6; stretch: 3.4.1-3; sid: 3.4.1-3 |
| 04:57.24 | Travis_ | totally unrelated question but is there any good software in linux for overclocking a gpu |
| 04:57.31 | Travis_ | like my 750 ti |
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| 04:57.37 | somiaj | hanasaki: very bottom of the bug, it was fixed in 3.4.0-3, jessie now has 3.4.0-6, so it is fixed in jessie. |
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| 04:57.49 | themill | hanasaki: also right at the top: «Fixed in version spamassassin/3.4.0-3. Done: <noahm@â¦>» |
| 04:57.54 | hanasaki | bingo. OK. seems to say it is fixed ina version older than the version in the ISO I installed from recently. however; it I have the xact same issue and it is fixed the exact same way after install |
| 04:59.01 | hanasaki | 1. how can I tell the version in the ISO I instaled from? 2. did the fix automatically enable it on upgrade if the ugprade from dist-upgrade became newer than the ISO version that was installed? |
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| 04:59.35 | themill | hanasaki: the output of "apt-cache policy $packagename" will tell you about versions |
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| 05:00.20 | somiaj | hanasaki: that will give you the version on the cd if you have it in your sources.list still |
| 05:00.27 | hanasaki | themill: that says 3.4.0-6 but does not tell me what version was in the origial iso |
| 05:00.37 | themill | hanasaki: what was the iso? |
| 05:01.16 | somiaj | hanasaki: if you don't have the iso in your sources, you can just look in pool/s/spamassassin in the iso, the version will be on the .deb |
| 05:01.20 | hanasaki | debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:01.38 | themill | that will be the same version |
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| 05:02.13 | hanasaki | themill: hmmm then I think the bug still exists.... I just had to systemctl enable spamassassin after the install |
| 05:02.35 | themill | hanasaki: oh, sure, that's intended. |
| 05:03.05 | themill | hanasaki: the bug was fixed by documenting that you need to do that -- spamassassin is a bit of a beast and requires some manual configuration so it is not started by default when it is installed. |
| 05:03.09 | somiaj | hanasaki: it might even be documented in /usr/share/doc/spamassassin |
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| 05:04.18 | themill | indeed: http://sources.debian.net/src/spamassassin/3.4.0-6/debian/spamassassin.README.Debian/#L56 |
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| 05:08.22 | hanasaki | themill: and somiaj thank you |
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| 05:32.41 | cluelessperson | Hi all, I have an old server on which a bunch of space is being taken up by /var/spool/exim4/msglog |
| 05:32.49 | cluelessperson | Can you help me solve this? |
| 05:32.53 | cluelessperson | how do I clear it out? |
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| 06:06.16 | bhuvi | Hi, apache2 server not starting after installing radicale |
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| 06:07.23 | bhuvi | AH00526: Syntax error on line 13 of /etc/apache2/conf-enabled/radicale-plinth.conf |
| 06:07.39 | bhuvi | getting the above error message in service log |
| 06:07.57 | bhuvi | Unknown Authn provider: ldap |
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| 06:08.06 | bhuvi | Action 'configtest' failed |
| 06:08.24 | unborn | bhuddah: did you started radicale? |
| 06:08.41 | unborn | service radicale start |
| 06:08.58 | simonlnu | um, it's telling you what's wrong |
| 06:09.12 | bhuvi | its already active |
| 06:09.26 | simonlnu | "Unknown Authn provider: ldap" |
| 06:10.00 | themill | "a2enmod authnz_ldap" if you're lucky |
| 06:10.02 | simonlnu | enable it that authn method then it won't choke |
| 06:10.12 | simonlnu | what he said :) |
| 06:10.32 | unborn | bhuvi: apt-get install mod_ldap ? |
| 06:11.17 | bhuvi | i did a2enmod authnz_ldap, its working...thanks |
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| 06:12.28 | simonlnu | ldap questions - if you have any -- >> #ldap . a lot of the openldap devs help out there |
| 06:13.41 | bhuvi | should the radicale package automatically enable ldap module when installing radicale? |
| 06:14.21 | xet7 | So is https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-3115 not remotely exploitable on Debian 7 server? |
| 06:14.45 | xet7 | Or should I patch somehow |
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| 06:18.33 | jmcnaught | bhuvi: does radicale require LDAP or if it's optional do you plan on using it? |
| 06:19.11 | unborn | xet7: you should update os.. that is best way |
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| 06:20.36 | xet7 | unborn: Ok, I'll backup and reinstall and restore, because upgrading does not work directly on OpenVZ VPS. |
| 06:21.10 | bhuvi | jmcnaught: it is one of the authentication methods for radicale i guess, i installed radicale through freedombox |
| 06:21.15 | unborn | xet7: if you dont mind... what environment you running on your srvs? |
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| 06:21.41 | xet7 | unborn: OpenVZ with 2.x kernel |
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| 06:22.06 | xet7 | unborn: server donated to OSS project |
| 06:22.28 | unborn | xet7: when I did updated to debian 8 I had apache 2.4.10 instead of apache 2.. so configuration options there are slightly changed but not much :) |
| 06:22.39 | bhuvi | jmcnaught: freedombox must be using ldap authentication |
| 06:23.32 | jmcnaught | bhuvi: oh i see, plinth is part of freedombox. i guess if freedombox configures LDAP then you want to use it. |
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| 06:24.33 | unborn | I mean apache 2.2.xx |
| 06:25.45 | jmcnaught | xet7: for the CVE you linked to, it is mitigated by setting X11Forwarding=no in sshd_config |
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| 06:26.33 | unborn | xet7: perhaps you would like to do the test before deployment - setup virutalbox and try it there.. |
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| 06:26.50 | themill | it's also only really applicable to using command="..." wrappers in which case you'd normally set no-x11-forwarding on them anyway |
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| 06:30.14 | unborn | cluelessperson: ssh as a root and delete old logs.. perhaps you read them before to found out what it makes them in first place....? |
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| 06:36.08 | cluelessperson | unborn, it seems to be an old cron job sending to an old ex-employee |
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| 06:37.32 | unborn | cluelessperson: well if you dont need that cron job running any more remove it as well.. |
| 06:37.36 | unborn | and delete logs |
| 06:37.48 | unborn | that should stop making new ones |
| 06:39.37 | cluelessperson | unborn, it regards some hospital reporting, it's not clear how the recipient is deteremined. Thanks for your help though. :) |
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| 06:46.09 | unborn | cluelessperson: well if he is not working there any more than informations should not be send out to him anyway.. I would remove that cron job if there is no any other usage for it.. you know how to edit/remove cronjob on your system? |
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| 06:47.47 | cluelessperson | unborn, it's disabled from sending, which is why the queue has become so massive in the meantime. :) |
| 06:48.35 | unborn | ah I see.. well if you not sure about deletion you can always comment it you so it would not run.. |
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| 06:50.06 | themill | or if you think running the job might be still necessary but the output is not wanted, blackhole it to /dev/null |
| 06:50.07 | unborn | I mean comment it out with # |
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| 07:09.21 | intore | hi guys, i installed raspbian jessie img on a sd card for my raspberry and after boot it, nano command gives me many errors like "Error in /usr/share/nano/perl.nanorc ... command liblcms2-2 not understood" or command (square) not understood. Do you have ideas about? after pressing enter it edits the file |
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| 07:13.23 | jmcnaught | !raspbian |
| 07:13.23 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 07:16.33 | intore | ok jmcnaught |
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| 07:18.53 | intore | jmcnaught, i'm sorry but i thought it could be a knowed problem in debian in general |
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| 07:23.37 | jmcnaught | intore: no worries, now you know. nano is not broken in Debian. i'm pretty sure that you can run real Debian on a raspberry pi if you want |
| 07:23.48 | fnkr | intore: Uhm, is liblcms2-2 installed? (apt-get install liblcms2-2) |
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| 07:24.12 | intore | ok jmcnaught thanks |
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| 07:25.28 | nami | hi, where i can set cron daily, weekly etc time? |
| 07:26.03 | intore | fnkr, the problem is not that lib... The problem is that many files nanorc have only special character inside |
| 07:26.07 | fnkr | nami: /etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.weekly, etc |
| 07:26.50 | nami | fnkr: i mean what i set in crontab |
| 07:26.54 | nami | as @weekly etc |
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| 07:28.11 | fnkr | "crontab -e" should open your crontab file with $EDITOR |
| 07:28.33 | nami | i'd like to set the time of @weekly etc |
| 07:29.12 | nami | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.23 | nami | but instead cron start weekly at midnight... |
| 07:29.37 | fnkr | 0 0 * * 7 will run on every sun at midnight |
| 07:29.53 | nami | default is: 47 6 * * 7 |
| 07:29.58 | nami | but it's starting midnight anyway |
| 07:30.02 | nami | this is my issue |
| 07:32.06 | simonlnu | what's the timezone set to? |
| 07:33.02 | nami | +2 |
| 07:33.09 | nami | CEST |
| 07:33.39 | nami | @weekly start at 00:00 instead of 6:47 every week |
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| 07:35.42 | swift110-phone | Ok |
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| 07:41.23 | nami | btw @daily is working, the only one weird is @weekly |
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| 07:45.25 | jim | @daily is working how? |
| 07:46.10 | nami | start jobs at the right time |
| 07:46.35 | nami | time in /etc/crontab is used |
| 07:47.10 | nami | weekly start at midnight with no reason |
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| 07:49.59 | Sir_Designer | could the midnight weekly be started by another cron spec/another user? |
| 07:50.25 | nami | idk how a user can specific weekly time? |
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| 07:51.00 | unborn | nami: use this.. http://crontab-generator.org/ |
| 07:51.31 | nami | unborn: ty but i'm not trying to set cron jobs |
| 07:51.39 | nami | i'm trying to define @weekly time |
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| 07:52.14 | unborn | nami: exactly.. you can use this to figure out how to be able to setup this.. where is mm, dd, yy etc.. |
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| 07:54.27 | pestr | hi all |
| 07:55.03 | pestr | i have 32 bit debian testing anfd i have problem with ERROR: failed to retrieve status information from google : W: http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release.gpg: Signature by key 4CCA1EAF950CEE4AB83976DCA040830F7FAC5991 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1) |
| 07:55.03 | pestr | More information might be available at: |
| 07:55.03 | pestr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.46 | pestr | howto update flash plugin? |
| 07:56.04 | unborn | nami: cron timing is like this: minutes : hours : month : day of month : day of week : user : command |
| 07:56.43 | Sir_Designer | nami see if you have any files in /etc/cron.d |
| 07:56.54 | nami | empty |
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| 07:59.46 | jmcnaught | pestr: the error message actually includes the wiki link? Is that dl.google.com a repo that you have included in your sources.list? The cause of this problem is that google's APT repository only uses SHA1 signatures, which the newer versions of apt in stretch dropped support for. Google needs to fix their repos |
| 08:00.39 | Sir_Designer | nami /var/spool/ cron/crontabs <-- see if there happen to be duplicate requests, one at midnight weekly, one at 6 47 weekly |
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| 08:02.17 | nami | what do yo umean |
| 08:02.23 | nami | i use only @weekly as reference in crontabs |
| 08:03.18 | avis | can anyone tell me how i can stress test my cpu in debian linux to make sure it meets non-flaky hardware ? |
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| 08:04.18 | han-solo | overclocking? |
| 08:04.27 | avis | nope |
| 08:04.30 | avis | worried man. |
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| 08:04.40 | avis | bought a used computer |
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| 08:05.21 | jelly | pestr: also google does not release any newer 32bit chrome, where pepper flash comes from, there's only 64bit now. |
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| 08:06.30 | Lingo | anyone here familiar with iptables? |
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| 08:08.57 | pestr | jmcnaught: in sources.list i have deb http://ftp.cz.debian.org/Â testing main contrib non-free |
| 08:10.50 | pestr | jmcnaught: deb http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 08:11.30 | jmcnaught | pestr: it could also be listed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, but it's not clear to me if you're trying to install chrome, or trying to install the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package (also i don't know how that package downloads chrome, and see jelly's comment above re: 32-bit) |
| 08:11.54 | jmcnaught | pestr: seems like that package was actually removed from testing almost a week ago too |
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| 08:12.20 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 08:12.20 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:12.35 | jelly | ^^ probably a better place to ask about testing |
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| 08:13.13 | pestr | ok, thanks |
| 08:13.45 | jelly | jmcnaught: the installer is supposed to download google chrome, pick just the plugin out of it, and put it where chromium can use it |
| 08:14.16 | jelly | (pepperflashplugin-nonfree package being said installer) |
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| 08:14.55 | pingfloyd | avis: mprime |
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| 08:14.57 | jelly | ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 08:14.58 | judd | Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1; sid/contrib: 1.8.2 |
| 08:15.42 | avis | found cpuburn. silly me didn't think it would be there. cpu has been maxing out forever without a single hiccup. and i hear a fan now. i'm thrilled. |
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| 08:18.10 | jmcnaught | jelly: oh thanks, i understood that in principle, just wasn't sure if it fetched chrome with wget/curl, or if it used apt to do it (which would surprise me, part of why i was confused by the question) |
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| 08:20.42 | grawity | jmcnaught: well afaik recent apt in testing has a generic "fetch this file" mechanism that e.g. apt-file uses |
| 08:20.48 | grawity | so that wouldn't be very surprising |
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| 09:53.49 | obs3d | Hi, |
| 09:54.13 | obs3d | I was wondering if any of you guys where taking advantage of the free offer by Valve for free use of all the Valve produced steam-published games ? |
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| 10:06.36 | user | hi, I need some help |
| 10:06.39 | user | I installed debian 8 |
| 10:06.51 | user | but I get a black screen with a flashing cursor |
| 10:06.54 | user | after grub |
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| 10:07.16 | user | I tried nomodeset, nvidia.modeset=0 |
| 10:07.19 | user | neither options work |
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| 10:08.14 | markybob | user do you have secure boot enabled? |
| 10:08.15 | user | please help me |
| 10:08.22 | user | No, secure boot is disabled |
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| 10:08.37 | markybob | user: which iso did you use? live? |
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| 10:08.58 | user | non free live iso. I was able to boot in the GUI using the live iso, but after installing, it doesnt work |
| 10:09.12 | markybob | user: yeah. live doesn't support uefi. |
| 10:09.15 | user | in fact, I am using the live ISO right now |
| 10:09.36 | user | so how do I fix this |
| 10:09.43 | markybob | user: you use netinst |
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| 10:09.48 | user | I cant anymore |
| 10:10.05 | user | I dont have any other OS on the pc, since debian rendered manjaro unbootable |
| 10:10.11 | markybob | user: i can't help you with live since it doesn't support uefi |
| 10:10.27 | user | can I use dd on the pendrive I used to boot? |
| 10:10.42 | markybob | user: sure. |
| 10:11.08 | user | okay |
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| 10:11.11 | user | lets see how this goes |
| 10:12.02 | markybob | user: you seriously don't have any other option, though? |
| 10:12.18 | user | I'm trying to chroot into my manjaro partition |
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| 10:12.22 | markybob | another stick? cdr? |
| 10:12.24 | user | I will then do update-grub |
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| 10:12.33 | user | unfortunately, my other stick is not with me right now |
| 10:12.55 | user | and I dont know how debian wrote to sda even though I selected sdb |
| 10:13.03 | user | (grub) |
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| 10:13.44 | BenNZ | user: if you get past grub then i would think its a graphics problem , can you boot tty1 ? |
| 10:14.08 | markybob | BenNZ: it's not. live does not support uefi. it's simple. |
| 10:14.14 | user | I cant boot into tty |
| 10:14.21 | user | but nomodeset fixes this on manjaro |
| 10:14.27 | user | so I assumed it would be similar here |
| 10:14.30 | BenNZ | markybob: sorry i thought he said he installed debian 8 |
| 10:14.40 | user | I did install debian 8 |
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| 10:14.59 | BenNZ | user: ok an install the gets the flashing cursor not the live media ? |
| 10:15.00 | markybob | BenNZ: he did. netinst and regular installers support it. live does *not* |
| 10:15.04 | user | yeah |
| 10:15.13 | user | I booted into xfce |
| 10:15.18 | user | installed debian |
| 10:15.20 | user | removed the pendrive |
| 10:15.21 | BenNZ | user: so i repeat the question can you boot into tty1 ? |
| 10:15.37 | user | I didn't try any key combos |
| 10:15.41 | user | ill try it now and get back |
| 10:15.42 | markybob | BenNZ: what part of live doesn't support uefi don't you get? |
| 10:15.50 | BenNZ | user: at the flashing cursor press ctrl alt f1 |
| 10:15.58 | user | ok |
| 10:16.02 | user | thanks BenNZ |
| 10:16.04 | BenNZ | markybob: the part when he said hes trying to boot the install |
| 10:16.07 | user | and after that, what should I do? |
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| 10:16.30 | BenNZ | markybob: as in hes alrady installed but having trouble booting after he has installed |
| 10:16.35 | user | ^ |
| 10:16.39 | BenNZ | markybob: no live media is involved |
| 10:17.02 | markybob | BenNZ: yes. i don't know if you've after done it but i have. that's what happens |
| 10:17.15 | markybob | https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI#UEFI_support_in_live_images |
| 10:17.16 | user | o.O |
| 10:17.27 | user | I dont have uefi enabled anyway |
| 10:17.42 | BenNZ | markybob: also happens when you have the wrong gpu driver installed , hence the question if he can boot into tty1 |
| 10:17.56 | BenNZ | markybob: i assume he can because he can get past grub |
| 10:17.58 | user | okay, ill boot and try it thanks bennz |
| 10:18.05 | user | I can get past grub |
| 10:18.07 | user | it does a fsck |
| 10:18.11 | user | then gets stuck on the screen |
| 10:18.20 | markybob | fsck? |
| 10:18.41 | BenNZ | markybob: possibly id rule out a graphics driver issue first tho |
| 10:18.43 | user | something something "clean /dev/sda1" |
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| 10:18.56 | user | indicating the kernel does load up |
| 10:19.13 | user | im gonna do that thing now brb |
| 10:19.19 | BenNZ | markybob: easiest way to check those would be be to boot into tty1 , if that boots , the a driver issue , or xorg issue anyway |
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| 10:20.05 | markybob | BenNZ: i'm agreeing with you now that i don't know wtf is going on when he mentions fsck. |
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| 10:21.55 | user | I can boot into tty |
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| 10:22.20 | user | BenNZ, how do I install the nonfree nvidia driver? |
| 10:22.30 | markybob | !nvidia |
| 10:22.30 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:22.55 | user | thanks a lot for the tty idea btw |
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| 10:23.13 | markybob | user: do not, whatever you do, install the .run file from the website. follow the wiki |
| 10:23.28 | user | I will not, I don't even have the GUI to do that :P |
| 10:23.41 | BenNZ | user: depends on which device you have as to which version of the nvidia driver you need |
| 10:23.49 | user | sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver, this should work? |
| 10:23.53 | user | or do I need to enable the repos |
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| 10:24.08 | henryk | you should read the wiki. there is some more to it. |
| 10:24.17 | user | "As of jessie, the need for the proprietary drivers is pretty much over - nouveau now works quite well and works" |
| 10:24.19 | user | lol :P |
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| 10:24.29 | markybob | wait, what? not gui and you want nonfree nvidia drivers? |
| 10:24.50 | user | I dont have a gui, so I cant install the .run file which you warned me against anyways |
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| 10:25.13 | TomTomTosch | what gfx card do you have anyway? |
| 10:25.13 | markybob | .run runs in terminal. doesn't require gui |
| 10:25.26 | user | gtx 750 ti TomTomTosch |
| 10:25.46 | TomTomTosch | that should work fine with nouveau. |
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| 10:25.56 | BenNZ | user: nvidia-kernel-dkms if you want performance tho |
| 10:26.11 | markybob | performance for terminal?? |
| 10:26.14 | BenNZ | user: and i would probably install nvidia-settings whilst i was at it |
| 10:26.15 | markybob | wtf is going on here |
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| 10:26.27 | BenNZ | markybob: hes trying to install the driver so he can get a gui |
| 10:26.34 | user | BenNZ, okay, I will. kernel-dkms and settings. Thanks. |
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| 10:26.47 | markybob | i'm getting to old for this shit |
| 10:27.10 | BenNZ | user: nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 10:27.30 | user | got it, i'll reboot into tty and tell you how it goes :) |
| 10:27.32 | BenNZ | user: also you will need to blacklist nouveau , it can be a pain to remove sometimes |
| 10:27.35 | user | Thanks for the help |
| 10:27.37 | user | oh |
| 10:27.50 | user | how would I blacklist it? |
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| 10:28.04 | markybob | !blacklist |
| 10:28.04 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 10:28.15 | markybob | nvidia wiki i linked you to says how |
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| 10:29.17 | user | are you a debian developer markybob ? :O |
| 10:29.40 | markybob | user: no |
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| 10:39.38 | user | so it turns out, since I am using the nonfree iso, I already have nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-driver installed |
| 10:39.48 | user | since i used* |
| 10:42.03 | user | I can use dd on the bootable usb I am using right now, correct? |
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| 10:45.32 | user | :/ |
| 10:45.37 | user | why is debian so impossible |
| 10:45.48 | khazakar | What problem dou you have user? |
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| 10:45.59 | user | Well, I installed debian nonfree. |
| 10:46.11 | user | But when I boot up, can only enter tty |
| 10:46.19 | user | It gets stuck at a black screen with a flashing cursor |
| 10:46.45 | hualet_deepin | user: no error messages ? |
| 10:46.45 | khazakar | What gfx card do you have?Any other specs? |
| 10:46.58 | user | gtx 750 ti |
| 10:47.02 | user | It works fine with kubuntu or manjaro |
| 10:47.25 | khazakar | Kernel? |
| 10:47.40 | user | pretty much every kernel since 3.6 has worked |
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| 10:47.45 | user | though with the nonfree driver ofc |
| 10:48.22 | khazakar | Headers installed,metapackage nvidia-driver and nvidia-driver-bin installed? |
| 10:48.38 | user | nvidia driver yes |
| 10:48.53 | user | I did not check nvidia-driver-bin or linux-headers |
| 10:48.56 | user | be right back |
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| 10:51.24 | junkula | I can't connect using remmina, what do I do wrong? |
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| 10:53.01 | user | khazakar, I have all those packages you mentioned, installed. |
| 10:53.23 | user | I dont get how it boots up into xfce on the live usb but not after I've installed it on the hard disk. |
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| 10:58.57 | user | anyone? |
| 10:59.23 | r6ku | user: did you remember to configure xorg? |
| 10:59.37 | user | Yeah, configured xorg manually and via nvidia-xconfig |
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| 11:12.19 | donnoc | I am trying to change my Server RAID with MegaCLI vrom a raid 1 with 2 HDDs to a RAID 5 with 4HDD. but everytime it crashes or gives me an error. Does someone ever worked with taht and can try to help me? |
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| 11:17.47 | AIW007 | hay....! |
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| 11:18.40 | RoyK | eh? |
| 11:18.43 | RoyK | ey! |
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| 11:37.36 | unborn | junkula: rdp? |
| 11:37.53 | junkula | unborn: vnc |
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| 11:38.21 | unborn | use real vnc viewer.. its free.. |
| 11:38.27 | unborn | worked best for me |
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| 11:39.32 | unborn | junkula: https://www.realvnc.com/download/get/1868/ |
| 11:39.38 | unborn | debian 64bit ^^^ |
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| 11:44.19 | junkula | I want to use remmina unborn |
| 11:44.44 | junkula | do I input the IP in the quick connect |
| 11:44.57 | junkula | does it need the username also? |
| 11:45.33 | unborn | junkula: than good luck with it. I tried that many many times past 3 years.. always issues.. if its not freeze then it will crash. |
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| 11:46.24 | unborn | junkula: krdc much better then remmina |
| 11:46.53 | junkula | unborn: I'll check it out thanks |
| 11:47.16 | unborn | junkula: you do vnc://username@machineip |
| 11:48.09 | junkula | thanks |
| 11:48.14 | unborn | as I said, remmina for me is totally waste of time as it never worked for me since I try linux (from ubuntu version 4 i think) |
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| 11:48.56 | unborn | krdc works but seems to me okay but no chat or other things.. its just pure remote support tool |
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| 11:51.35 | junkula | remmina worked for me in fedora |
| 11:51.45 | junkula | Debian's version is outdated |
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| 11:54.28 | no_gravity | Why does "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" sometimes result in the question if ini files shoule be replaced? How does security updates trigger the replacement of ini files? |
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| 12:15.10 | g00se | Why is it that i have /etc/nsswitch.conf on my wheezy yet apt-file search (updated) can't find it? |
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| 12:22.53 | jelly | g00se: it's not shipped with a package but generated at installation time |
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| 12:23.48 | g00se | Ah thanks. Looking into being able to resolve names by netbios. I think i need winbind |
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| 12:33.30 | Kartagis | hello |
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| 12:34.16 | Kartagis | I am tasked with creating several VMs with KVM, but I can't locate virt-install |
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| 12:34.25 | g00se | wbinfo -I 192.168.1.110 returns the correct name 'JAMES' but ping JAMES gives 'unknown name'. I thought the point of winbind was that it enabled correct resolution of names as with dns? |
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| 12:35.48 | markybob | Kartagis: it's in the virtinst package. |
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| 12:37.00 | junkula | remmina is indeed shit after all ;p |
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| 12:42.28 | Kartagis | thanks markybob. another question. how do I fix the perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings... permanently |
| 12:42.30 | Kartagis | ? |
| 12:43.21 | markybob | Kartagis: sounds like you need to dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:43.33 | themill | Kartagis: the easiest approach is to "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and have it generate the additional locales you are using |
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| 12:45.49 | Kartagis | heh, I must have picked the wrong option because ALL locales are being generated now :D |
| 12:45.59 | Kartagis | anyway, thanks again |
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| 13:09.38 | jmarciano | I would like to know, who compiles binaries for Debian? And where? Is it at home or at servers? |
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| 13:11.13 | Kartagis | jmarciano: I'd say depends on the package |
| 13:11.36 | themill | jmarciano: most packages are compiled on the buildd network |
| 13:11.40 | jmarciano | is it fully automated binary compilation? Or maintainers do that one by one? |
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| 13:11.54 | themill | jmarciano: https://buildd.debian.org/ |
| 13:13.04 | jmarciano | yes I read thanks |
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| 13:13.54 | jmarciano | and how is ensured that source code is compiled as such without possible "hidden" modifications by maintainers? |
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| 13:43.02 | ziz15 | hi does anybody else have problem update flash player?? thanks |
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| 13:44.54 | babilen | ziz15: What kind of problem? |
| 13:45.32 | ziz15 | babilen: i give sudo update-nonflashplugin --install and it does nothing ... |
| 13:45.58 | babilen | That command is wrong. You wand "sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" |
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| 13:46.19 | ziz15 | babilen: yes |
| 13:46.34 | babilen | Might want to pass "--verbose" also |
| 13:46.46 | ziz15 | babilen: what i mean is it doesnt download and install latest flash |
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| 13:47.12 | babilen | Could you try the correct command, suffix "--verbose" and paste the outcome to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 13:47.19 | ziz15 | babilen: i have done that it from what i understand is says an error about people.debian |
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| 13:48.50 | ziz15 | babilen: how to upload the output to paste.debian??? |
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| 13:49.19 | bazhang | ,v pastebinit |
| 13:49.19 | judd | Package: pastebinit on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.1-2squeeze1; wheezy: 1.3-4; jessie: 1.4-4; stretch: 1.5-1; sid: 1.5-1 |
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| 13:49.59 | bazhang | command | pastebinit |
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| 13:50.16 | drmagoo | Hi, I had to reinstall my system and instead of Lubuntu (again) I went with Debian. Now I've got an issue with 2 encrypted lvm-volyms not being mounted at boot. I get the prompt to enter the passwords, but then it fails. When checking the error message from systemd it says that its missing the service? How to I generate that ? |
| 13:50.22 | TIM-BOSS | !LIST |
| 13:50.22 | dpkg | tim-boss: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 13:54.51 | ziz15 | babilen: https://paste.debian.net/431988 |
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| 13:56.34 | ziz15 | babilen: so what is the problem exactly?? |
| 13:57.02 | dn_ | Hello, I'm trying to set up my USB-microphone device in Qtel client (Debian Jessie). I'm using a Microsoft LifeCam HD-3000 webcam as a recording device. The mic audio device in Qtel was set to alsa:default, but I guess it's the wrong one. Any ideas where to find the correct LifeCam device? |
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| 13:59.08 | ziz15 | anyone else have problem with flashplugin not be updating ???? |
| 13:59.39 | mtn | ziz15: are you just saying the version in iceweasel is old? that is because it will never be any newer. |
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| 13:59.58 | mtn | ziz15: if you want a newer version of flash, use chromium and pepperflash plugin |
| 14:00.00 | themill | ziz15: perhaps you can describe your problem. Real output in a pastebin helps |
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| 14:00.35 | ziz15 | mtn: no i m saying that when i try to update to the latest 11.2 version for debian it wont download the latest |
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| 14:00.56 | ziz15 | themill: https://paste.debian.net/431988 |
| 14:01.29 | mtn | ziz15: which version do you have now? http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ |
| 14:01.46 | ziz15 | mtn: 577 |
| 14:02.25 | ziz15 | mtn: it doesnt download and install the 616 |
| 14:02.50 | themill | ziz15: it hasn't been signed and uploaded yet |
| 14:02.55 | mtn | ziz15: if I was a flash user I would use chromium |
| 14:03.20 | ziz15 | themill: that what i also though... thanks |
| 14:03.45 | ziz15 | mtn: yes but no flash for 32bit :( |
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| 14:10.36 | drmagoo | can anyone here explain how the configfiles for systemd-cryptsetup reads/works ? I think I might have found the issue |
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| 14:19.03 | ment0s | Hi, could you please confirm that debian 8 live is not booting with secure boot enabled ? |
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| 14:19.27 | themill | the live images don't do any sort of uefi |
| 14:20.18 | ment0s | ohh so actuall instal would work probably ? |
| 14:20.39 | themill | I don't think there are any secure boot signed bootloaders around |
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| 14:20.51 | themill | uefi works fine though |
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| 14:21.12 | ment0s | fedora 23 and ubuntu works fine |
| 14:21.32 | ment0s | downloading install media will try |
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| 14:23.59 | Kartagis | can I ask about virt-install issues here? #virt in oftc is dead |
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| 14:27.59 | ment0s | themill: so there is no way to install debian on secure boot enabled devices ? |
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| 14:28.17 | ment0s | just tried to boot install iso and got access denied |
| 14:29.35 | themill | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch03s06.html |
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| 14:32.58 | ment0s | themill: ok, why then ubuntu and fedora can do secure boot but debian dont ? |
| 14:34.47 | ment0s | is it only for installer or whole debian ? |
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| 14:39.41 | themill | Either there is a chain of trust or there is not; you can't magically make one appear after installation time |
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| 14:41.38 | petn-randall | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=820036 |
| 14:41.39 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/820036 in general (open): «Debian does not run on systems with Secure Boot enabled»; severity: important; opened: 2016-04-04; last modified: 2016-04-06. |
| 14:41.45 | petn-randall | Looks like it's currently being worked on. |
| 14:41.57 | dvs | gasps |
| 14:42.31 | petn-randall | (sorry, just rejoined, might have missed some prior discussion) |
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| 14:43.09 | threatzero | thrkernelman? |
| 14:43.10 | threatzero | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:46.19 | threatzero | thrkernelman? |
| 14:46.20 | threatzero | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.35 | petn-randall | threatzero: Do you need help? |
| 14:46.56 | saunamees | Is it hard to become a debian contributor ? Is making some documentation useful/needed ? |
| 14:47.47 | petn-randall | saunamees: You don't have to apply for it to contribute to Debian. Just do whatever you like that you think might improve Debian in general. |
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| 14:49.05 | petn-randall | saunamees: However, to become a Debian maintainer or Debian Developer you have to go through a lengthy process, but it also comes with more responsibility and power. |
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| 14:58.39 | Kartagis | why am I getting Error: --disk size=500: Couldn't create default storage pool ? |
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| 15:12.00 | saunamees | Thanks. I might just write a good documentation on debian private cloud. |
| 15:12.13 | saunamees | well maybe not good, I am terrible writer :) |
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| 15:13.22 | Tom01 | Should I get Sound from the little internal Speaker? |
| 15:13.37 | Tom01 | Which beeps, when booting. |
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| 15:14.35 | mnords | does anyone else experience system freezes with firefox on jessie? |
| 15:14.50 | Kartagis | Tom01: beeping might mean ram failure |
| 15:15.08 | Tom01 | Kartagis:No, one Beep is normal. |
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| 15:16.21 | Tom01 | But I already have changed the RAM, because it beeped constantly. |
| 15:16.58 | Tom01 | I mean Sound from Rythmbox e.g. |
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| 15:18.35 | petn-randall | Tom01: The pc speaker is not necessarily useable as a full fledged speaker. |
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| 15:19.14 | khazakar | Hi all! Any advice,help? http://imgur.com/Sy051jE |
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| 15:20.27 | Tom01 | petn-randall: I see. Before this i3 I was using a Power Mac G4 which played Audio with an internal Speaker. |
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| 15:21.17 | petn-randall | khazakar: Play harder, looks like the terrorists are winning. |
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| 15:22.33 | r6ku | khazakar: looks like pacman ate your screen |
| 15:23.00 | khazakar | petn-randall It's CS 1.6 |
| 15:23.27 | khazakar | r6ku It's magic of DRI3+TearFree + DRI_PRIME=1 steam to run steam via Radeon card. |
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| 15:24.42 | khazakar | On #radeon channel nobody know how to help me with this :v |
| 15:24.58 | stoned-in-laptop | Hello, I need to ask about a reliable USB wireless NIC for debian desktop (8 year old desktop) |
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| 15:26.01 | stoned-in-laptop | I'm running debian stable, and wanted to know which chipset you would recommend |
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| 15:27.44 | petn-randall | stoned-in-laptop: It's probably easier to just pick a wifi device you like, and just do an internet search if it runs on Debian stable. There's a 95% chance it'll work out of the box. |
| 15:28.07 | petn-randall | !wifi |
| 15:28.07 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 15:28.28 | stoned-in-laptop | Okay |
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| 15:29.44 | stoned-in-laptop | Hey, thanks. good news in that link. Currently there are only a few modern wifi chipsets readily available that work with free software systems. For USB wifi devices this list includes the Realtek RTL8187B chipset (802.11G) and the Atheros AR9170 chipset (802.11N). For Mini PCIe all cards with an Atheros chipset are supported. |
| 15:30.17 | stoned-in-laptop | I am assuming the N should be backwards compat w/ G, right? |
| 15:30.26 | khazakar | stoned-in-laptop yup |
| 15:30.31 | stoned-in-laptop | Thank you |
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| 15:32.39 | petn-randall | stoned-in-laptop: I'd say it's the other way around. I've only found one chipset that *didn't* work out of the box of all the devices I ever got to use. |
| 15:32.55 | petn-randall | stoned-in-laptop: The mostly need non-free firmware, but that's a different story. |
| 15:33.04 | stoned-in-laptop | Right |
| 15:33.23 | stoned-in-laptop | I like to try and stick to Free software when I don't have to use non-free |
| 15:33.54 | stoned-in-laptop | I will have to use the non-free driver for the laptop though |
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| 15:35.10 | petn-randall | stoned-in-laptop: I'm not following through. Most firmware is non-free. You can run some devices without the firmware, but then they miss important functionality, such as connecting to encrypted wifi hotspots. |
| 15:35.21 | stoned-in-laptop | I see |
| 15:35.29 | petn-randall | stoned-in-laptop: Not that you still won't be running any proprietary software on your CPU. |
| 15:35.35 | petn-randall | s/Not/Note/ |
| 15:35.41 | stoned-in-laptop | I'm not familiar w/ a lot of this. I have always used wired. |
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| 15:36.07 | stoned-in-laptop | I mean if I have to it's fine, but I try not to use non-free. |
| 15:37.26 | stoned-in-laptop | petn-randall: which one do personally use, if you use one |
| 15:37.37 | stoned-in-laptop | you* |
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| 15:40.25 | petn-randall | stoned-in-laptop: ralink chipsets always worked for me. |
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| 15:41.36 | wonderwhy | Hi, I feel I'm been mistakenly banned form #debian some days ago. I gently ask an op to check, look into http://infobot.rikers.org/%23debian/20160403.html.gz at 18:51.23 (nick allizom) |
| 15:41.47 | wonderwhy | *from |
| 15:42.20 | petn-randall | wonderwhy: But you _are_ in #debian. |
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| 15:42.53 | wonderwhy | petn-randall: yes, just with a different nick. technically I'm evading that ban |
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| 15:44.22 | jmarciano | try changing nick |
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| 15:47.00 | petn-randall | wonderwhy: Try asking in #debian-ops. |
| 15:47.18 | wonderwhy | petn-randall: that's ok, thanks |
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| 15:48.22 | katie1231 | Hey guys, I am trying to install nvidia graphics drivers in debian. Which drivers do I need for GTX 750ti? |
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| 15:50.53 | xorond | katie1231, http://www.geforce.com/drivers |
| 15:51.30 | r6ku | katie1231: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 15:52.02 | katie1231 | I've downloaded those but I can't access a terminal from the login window (ctrl + alt + F1) doesn't work so I can run the driver install. |
| 15:52.24 | xorond | katie1231, if you have a GUI running you can do it from the terminal there |
| 15:52.46 | katie1231 | it says that X can't be running |
| 15:53.18 | xorond | try ctrl + alt + f[range(2,7)] |
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| 15:53.46 | katie1231 | none of those work. They never have. That's why I was hoping there was a repo i can pull down with the drivers i need? |
| 15:54.47 | xorond | katie1231, you say you have the driver downloaded, can you not run it? |
| 15:55.01 | markybob | there is if you read the wiki r6ku linked you to. i'm not sure why xorond is telling you to do something that would break your debian install |
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| 15:55.55 | katie1231 | alright I'll check out the wiki that r6ku linked |
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| 15:59.01 | ZeNEX | Why is firefox nowhere in the repository? |
| 16:02.29 | jelly | ZeNEX: which debian release are you using? It's called iceweasel in debian 8 |
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| 16:03.01 | dutchfish | for sid https://packages.qa.debian.org/f/firefox.html |
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| 16:03.35 | ZeNEX | jelly, is it really the same? |
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| 16:03.51 | orlok | Is GNOME default DE in Debian? |
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| 16:04.09 | r6ku | ZeNEX: orlok: yes |
| 16:04.27 | orlok | why? |
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| 16:04.54 | r6ku | ZeNEX: you can get the latest release of firefox from here if you need it http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 16:05.04 | ZeNEX | r6ku, thanks |
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| 16:05.44 | orlok | Will Icedove be Thunderbird in Debian? |
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| 16:07.10 | petn-randall | orlok: Probably in the next release, yes. |
| 16:07.27 | allizom | ok, I've been unbanned |
| 16:07.37 | jelly | allizom: right, sorry about that |
| 16:07.41 | orlok | But Icedove is not Thunderbird in Sid now. |
| 16:07.42 | katie1231 | when i do apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver i get a message that says Media-change: please insert the disc |
| 16:07.47 | katie1231 | what is that all about? |
| 16:08.45 | jelly | orlok: it's going to be renamed back as well, soon |
| 16:08.55 | petn-randall | katie1231: Have you tried a basic internet search before asking in here? |
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| 16:09.11 | katie1231 | doing so now |
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| 16:10.42 | jelly | katie1231: comment out any cdrom/dvd lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list and retry? |
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| 16:11.17 | katie1231 | i dont have cdrom.dvd lines in my sources.list |
| 16:11.40 | orlok | katie1231: cat your sources.list here |
| 16:11.49 | petn-randall | katie1231: Also check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, and you have to run 'apt-get update' before anything else. |
| 16:12.00 | jelly | orlok: don't suggest that please |
| 16:12.09 | jelly | !paste |
| 16:12.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:12.16 | katie1231 | thats what is was. I needed to run apt-get update |
| 16:12.17 | orlok | just joke |
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| 16:12.39 | petn-randall | orlok: no, you were baiting someone to get kicked here. |
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| 16:14.50 | jelly | katie1231: also, you probably want to install nvidia-kernel-dkms instead of nvidia-driver directly |
| 16:15.22 | jelly | something like |
| 16:15.25 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 16:15.25 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 16:16.17 | katie1231 | I followed the wiki and restarted and now all i see is a black screen! |
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| 16:17.05 | Riidio | hi guy's... simple question... in vmware better use 32 or 64bit for distro linux? |
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| 16:18.52 | jelly | Riidio: 64bit is the common choice these days |
| 16:19.11 | Riidio | thx, bro |
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| 16:19.22 | Riidio | also if i use only 2gb of ram |
| 16:19.22 | Riidio | ? |
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| 16:19.47 | r6ku | katie1231: did you remember to do the configuration part? |
| 16:19.54 | jelly | Riidio: 2GB for the VM or 2GB total on the host? |
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| 16:20.31 | Riidio | 2gb for vm |
| 16:20.34 | Riidio | total is 8gb |
| 16:20.46 | katie1231 | r6ku: which config part? I didn't see that in the wiki that i followed here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_352.79_.28via_jessie-backports.29 |
| 16:20.54 | jelly | go with 64bit anyway. Easier to deal with if you choose to grow it later |
| 16:21.06 | r6ku | katie1231: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration |
| 16:21.13 | Riidio | ok thx |
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| 16:30.47 | katie1231 | r6ku: when i run sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfig i get unable to locate package nvidia-xconfig |
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| 16:32.08 | katie1231 | r6ku: i guess i can just manually create the config |
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| 16:54.59 | jelly | ,v nvidia-xconfig |
| 16:55.01 | judd | Package: nvidia-xconfig on amd64 -- squeeze/contrib: 195.36.31-1; wheezy/contrib: 304.48-1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 340.46-1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 340.46-1; stretch/contrib: 340.93-1; sid/contrib: 340.93-1 |
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| 16:55.27 | jelly | katie1231: make sure you have both "contrib" and "non-free" sources enabled |
| 16:55.37 | katie1231 | I do |
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| 17:00.09 | awal1 | sources file seems to be a big deal for new debian users (I had same problem when I started using debian). Maybe something may be done for solve this "problem" ? |
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| 17:02.10 | r6ku | awal1: ubuntu and mint have a simple gui tool for installing drivers and firmware... but not debian ;( |
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| 17:06.22 | r6ku | good god, why hasn't that been implented yet? does nobody care about the woes of #debian? |
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| 17:09.22 | awal1 | Probably, the installer "should" add by default to the sources.list file those 3 lines deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main and deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main when the installed detects that the user is installing offline |
| 17:09.45 | awal1 | when the installer detects ^ |
| 17:11.36 | awal1 | r6ku, non free drivers, firmwares and so is another story. debian has has a different approach about that, as you should know yet |
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| 17:13.48 | dhex | Hi |
| 17:13.53 | dhex | Why should I choose debian over ubuntu? |
| 17:15.15 | bazhang | you shouldnt |
| 17:15.37 | jonathan_zz | why should you do anything? |
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| 17:17.43 | katie1231 | I am trying to manually create my /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d file I see this command that i need to run echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf is the only thing that i need to change is the "My GPU" part? |
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| 17:20.08 | mezo | why not just install nvidia-xconfig and run it? |
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| 17:20.47 | babilen | katie1231: You don't have to change anything in there |
| 17:20.53 | babilen | (not even "My GPU") |
| 17:20.55 | katie1231 | oh okay thanks |
| 17:21.22 | babilen | mezo: Because it creates an overly complex monolithic configuration that adds nothing but problems and the above suffices for switching to nvidia |
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| 17:23.55 | mezo | never had a problem so far with it |
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| 17:25.30 | mezo | what was the command to reboot to uefi bios on systemd? |
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| 17:25.43 | johnkeates | sudo reboot and then press the del key |
| 17:25.48 | johnkeates | or f2 |
| 17:25.50 | grawity | systemctl reboot --firmware-setup |
| 17:25.52 | mezo | i use ultrafast boot |
| 17:25.54 | johnkeates | ah |
| 17:26.10 | mezo | grawity: thanks |
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| 17:26.50 | mezo | i dont get why my usb keyboard not work on grub , when using fast boot. i even enbaled full usb support for fast boot |
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| 17:37.04 | c0mrade | Anyone interested in free hosting? I've got a server at home and I provide full root access. You choose the OS of your flavor and install it on VMware running on my server...I give up to 3GB of RAM, 200GB of HDD an a vCPU. |
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| 17:48.48 | awal1 | How to combine apt or aptitude search with show ? Example : apt/aptitude search foo and I want to make apt/aptitude show the descriptions of all foo related packages, like when I run apt/aptitude show foo, without having to run apt/aptitude show for all related foo related pkgs that apt/aptitude found ? |
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| 17:51.49 | awal1 | apt search foo have found foo1, foo2, foo3... I want apt show me immediately the whole description of foo1, foo2 and foo3 like it does with show |
| 17:51.56 | petemc | awal1: im not aware of any way to do it directly but its a simple one liner to do it yourself |
| 17:52.08 | Drzacek | Hi. I made huge mistake. I installed debian today on my very-slow pc, got confused during installation (wanted to turn off GUI, but pressed enter), and now I got not-so-light system. Any way I can disable X and uninstall it completely (and all GUI applications aswell)? |
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| 17:52.50 | petemc | !remove x |
| 17:52.50 | dpkg | remove x is probably "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. Use "purge" instead of remove if you also want to remove X's configuration. |
| 17:53.56 | awal1 | petmec, yeah, but sometimes the output of search is so long and it may find interesting pkgs I want and it's a bit tedious check description of the dozens pkgs one by one |
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| 17:54.57 | petemc | apt-cache search foo |awk '{print $1}'| while read ; do apt-cache show $REPLY ; done | less |
| 17:55.15 | Drzacek | petemc, thanks, purging now |
| 17:55.20 | Testor | Drzacek: if you installed xorg you also can uninstall it |
| 17:55.32 | Testor | never mind |
| 17:55.40 | Drzacek | Testor, I don't know what installs by default |
| 17:56.01 | awal1 | petmec, ok, i'll try and see ;) |
| 17:56.47 | teraflops | Try It And See⢠<3 |
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| 17:57.36 | Testor | Drzacek: have you installed debian from netiso image or used a DM iso? |
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| 17:57.50 | Drzacek | dvd1 osp |
| 17:57.51 | Drzacek | iso |
| 17:59.10 | awal1 | petemc, perfect and wonderful, "apt-cache search foo |awk '{print $1}'| while read ; do apt-cache show $REPLY ; done | less" is what I was looking; it works just perfectly. Thanks!!! |
| 17:59.17 | petemc | np |
| 17:59.41 | petemc | probably a tidier way to do it, but whatever works |
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| 17:59.57 | Testor | ok, then you installed Gnome as your DM. Do you know how to use aptitude? |
| 18:00.04 | awal1 | yes, but it works. |
| 18:00.25 | awal1 | now learning a bit about all those commands combinations |
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| 18:01.46 | karlpinc | awal1: (I'd be explicit about the variable read into and avoid bashisms, but that's just me.) |
| 18:02.16 | awal1 | petemc, for sure I can't remember the whole command my self but I save it somewhere and use it when needed or call it with shell reverse search |
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| 18:02.46 | karlpinc | awal1: Save it in ~/bin/myscriptname |
| 18:02.58 | awal1 | karlpinc, no idea about what you said, what happens exactly with "read" |
| 18:03.16 | awal1 | in human words please |
| 18:03.19 | awal1 | :D |
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| 18:04.20 | karlpinc | awal1: You'd need to read (parts of) "man dash" and "man bash" to really know. The people in #bash will be happy to chat about it forever. It puts lines of standard input into a variable. See #bash for more detail, since it's not really relevant here. |
| 18:04.58 | karlpinc | awal1: Well, the "while" is what does multiple lines. |
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| 18:05.50 | karlpinc | awal1: I'd recommend "man dash". You need to pay attention to every word, but there's _so_ many fewer words than "man bash". |
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| 18:06.48 | awal1 | karlpinc, ok, got you know. I need to learn about all that sure... |
| 18:08.08 | katie1231 | I installed nvidia drivers and reboot is hung up at "Started Update UTMP about System RunLevel Changes." anyone seen this before? |
| 18:09.28 | jmcnaught | katie1231: did you use the Debian packages for the nvidia drivers? Did you remember to setup an xorg.conf? |
| 18:09.32 | karlpinc | katie1231: You might check the debian wiki. It has instructions. Maybe there's troubleshooting help too. And you could try "/msg dpkg nvidia" here to chat with the bot. |
| 18:10.55 | katie1231 | yea i followed the debian wiki for the driver install. I am not 100% sure my xorg.conf is setup correctly |
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| 18:15.04 | mo1991reg | katie1231 - you need to install the nvidia-xconfig program and then run it before rebooting if you are using nvidia proprietary drivers. it will set up an xorg.conf for you |
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| 18:18.38 | Drzacek | How do I edit net cofinguration? I thought I do it by editing /etc/network/interfaces, but it was blank (during installation I entered IP) |
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| 18:20.18 | jmcnaught | Drzacek: if you're using a desktop like Gnome or KDE you can use NetworkManager. Otherwise https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and "man interfaces" are good places to start |
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| 18:20.58 | Drzacek | jmcnaught, I'm in bash, but it installed with gnome, I just removed it |
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| 18:21.52 | katie1231 | is it best to install nvidia debian backport drivers? I am following this link https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_352.79_.28via_jessie-backports.29 |
| 18:21.54 | ompaul | Drzacek: the box should react to dhcp |
| 18:21.56 | Drzacek | jmcnaught, okay, I think I got it - ifconfig seems right, but still - can't ping anything |
| 18:22.08 | Drzacek | ompaul, no dhcp, direct cable to other pc |
| 18:22.12 | jmcnaught | Drzacek: removed network manager? did that also remove your gnome meta-package. Be careful doing any auto-removals from now on. In my opinion it's better to leave network-manager installed, it will ignore anything defined in /e/n/intefaces |
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| 18:22.22 | Drzacek | jmcnaught, removed whole X |
| 18:23.13 | jmcnaught | Drzacek: ahh. "it" is ambiguous. you can make a paste of your interfaces file if you want it peer reviewed |
| 18:23.44 | ompaul | Drzacek: ifconfig eth0 192.168.3.1 up (based on lots of history and with the idea that 3. is the home network and .1 is available |
| 18:23.47 | jmcnaught | katie1231: i think it's okay to use those ones, did you use that nvidia-detect tool to see which drivers were recommended? |
| 18:23.48 | Drzacek | jmcnaught, I'm not really sure how could I copy anything from the other pc |
| 18:24.51 | Drzacek | the funny thing is, THIS pc can ping my debian machine |
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| 18:25.35 | jmcnaught | Drzacek: can that PC ssh into your Debian computer? |
| 18:25.58 | ompaul | Drzacek: you should stick them on a cheap switch not directly one into the other if you have problems |
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| 18:26.15 | ompaul | and if you are new to it - bit painful and really cheap way to get it all going |
| 18:26.38 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: i just checked compatibility, and installed the backports. I then ran nvidia-xconfig with sudo and re-started and now the reboot gets hugup |
| 18:26.42 | Drzacek | ompaul, it is temporary solution, until I get my router running |
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| 18:27.15 | Drzacek | jmcnaught, I didn't set up ssh server yet |
| 18:27.32 | jmcnaught | katie1231: can you put a copy of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net/ ? Or did you check for errors there? |
| 18:27.36 | ompaul | Drzacek: wire the debian box up apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 18:28.08 | ompaul | Drzacek: tbh you can hit your head off the desk for hours or you can solve it in a couple of minutes |
| 18:28.27 | Drzacek | ompaul, okay, I guess I'll leave it for today |
| 18:28.47 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: when i sudo run nvidia-xconfig i get the following: package xorg-server was not found in the pkg-config search path |
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| 18:30.09 | ompaul | Drzacek: use the time to read about ifconfig man page on the internet |
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| 18:30.17 | ompaul | or run it on the machine and look at this |
| 18:30.23 | ompaul | !dontbreakdebian |
| 18:30.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 18:30.25 | jmcnaught | katie1231: okay, not sure how that tool works. Do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? Or something like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf ? |
| 18:30.43 | ompaul | cos lots of bad ideas people have they think are really good and they are not :-/ |
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| 18:31.06 | ompaul | it's only when the box dies in a new and interesting way they try to fix and have gone too far |
| 18:31.42 | ompaul | Drzacek: I note you are getting help in ##networking |
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| 18:31.59 | babilen | katie1231: You really don't need that tool. If it doesn't work with the configuration you have right now it is likely that the driver you installed doesn't support your GPU. Check if it is (it is explained on the wiki page how to do so) |
| 18:32.01 | Drzacek | ompaul, yes |
| 18:32.22 | babilen | A monolithic xorg.conf is not necessary |
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| 18:36.02 | jelly | it's either a snippet in xorg.conf.d/ to select the driver, or a full xorg.conf |
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| 19:07.41 | notsheld0n | test |
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| 19:08.09 | jelly | test failed, notsheld0n |
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| 19:16.33 | notsheld0n | !ping |
| 19:16.34 | dpkg | Yes, notsheld0n, you are online. |
| 19:16.59 | ompaul | no tests were harmed in the making of that ping |
| 19:17.21 | markybob | notsheld0n: /msg the bot next time you have some reason to think you're offline |
| 19:17.41 | markybob | or, you know, ping google.com or something |
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| 19:20.19 | GNU\colossus | is there an easy way to allow for unprivilieged (GUI) users to install packages from the debian repositories, like a previous Fedora release allowed to, via (I think) packagekit? |
| 19:20.29 | notsheld0n | markybob: nah its my IRC client |
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| 19:20.45 | notsheld0n | My internet is crap and it times our some applications for an unknown reason. |
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| 19:21.34 | ompaul | notsheld0n: you can do this and check if you are online /ping notsheld0n and it will give you useful information |
| 19:21.36 | markybob | GNU\colossus: they'd need sudo. so no, not unprivileged |
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| 19:22.29 | markybob | GNU\colossus: anyway debian has packagekit. apt-get install gnome-packagekit but like i said, they need sudo |
| 19:24.12 | GNU\colossus | markybob, thanks, I'll play around with that |
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| 19:25.40 | Psi-Jack | With ftpsync method, is it possible to mirror only one version of Debian, instead of pretty much all? |
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| 19:25.52 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: i do have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file with 20-nvidia.conf in it |
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| 19:26.52 | jmcnaught | katie1231: okay. check that you don't have stuff in both /etc/X11/xorg.conf *and* /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf, you only need one. |
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| 19:27.30 | jmcnaught | katie1231: then also check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors. Lines with errors have (EE) at the start of them |
| 19:27.48 | DeaDSouL | i have a samba server which has a public shared folder: /Storage/Media ... and I've mounted /dev/sdc1 ... to ... /Storage/Media/Elements ....... it works... but I when I try to open any sub-dir, it asks me for a user & pass... how can I make it public ? |
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| 19:30.58 | DeaDSouL | anyone ? |
| 19:31.24 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: okay i only have the one (/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d I checked my Xorg.5.log and i have quite a few errors. Here's the first one NVIDIA: failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module. Please see the systems kernel log for additional error messages. |
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| 19:31.53 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: the last two are no devices found, and no screens found |
| 19:32.26 | markybob | sounds like the kernel module didn't get built |
| 19:32.59 | markybob | did you install your kernel headers prior to doing this? |
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| 19:33.03 | Ntemis | sup |
| 19:33.19 | jmcnaught | katie1231: I suspect the kernel module got built for the wrong kernel version. If you run "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" do the installed versions match? |
| 19:33.48 | Ntemis | if anyone knows how to fix this http://paste.ubuntu.com/15746559/ please help me out |
| 19:34.39 | markybob | Ntemis: so you're in testing? |
| 19:35.56 | Ntemis | markybob: not exactly am not on debian vanilla |
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| 19:36.05 | jmcnaught | katie1231: by the way, did the default nouveau video driver work? why not just use that one? |
| 19:36.10 | markybob | Ntemis: then you're offtopic and not supported |
| 19:36.30 | Ntemis | ok |
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| 19:36.51 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: it did work, but the graphics were not good so i thought i needed to install the nvidia drivers? |
| 19:37.21 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: the graphics were all blurry and zoomed in |
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| 19:37.50 | jmcnaught | katie1231: the proprietary drivers are faster but have their own problems. did you check if linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 were both the same version? |
| 19:38.20 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: i dont think they are when i ran that command i saw a lot of info let me type it out |
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| 19:39.59 | jmcnaught | katie1231: check the "Installed:" fields for both of them, is one 3.16 something, the other 4.4 something? |
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| 19:40.50 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: exactly! Yes. linux-image-amd64 is 3.16 and linux-header-amd64 is 4.4 |
| 19:41.15 | katie1231 | so my souces.list is messed up? |
| 19:41.34 | markybob | no you just have to get your linux-image-amd64 from backports |
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| 19:41.45 | katie1231 | how do i do that? |
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| 19:42.00 | markybob | apt-get install linux-image-amd64 -t jessie-backports |
| 19:42.12 | jmcnaught | katie1231: you can do as markybob suggests, or stick with the stock kernel from jessie by using the linux-headers-amd64 from jessie not jessie-backports |
| 19:42.22 | markybob | yeah, either way. |
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| 19:42.48 | jmcnaught | the stock kernel is more polished, if you don't need the backports kernel i'd say don't use it |
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| 19:44.11 | katie1231 | okay so you're saying get rid of the backports and just use the stock kernel and nouveau drivers then? |
| 19:44.34 | katie1231 | the wiki led me to install the nvidia backports drivers so thats what i did |
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| 19:45.02 | jmcnaught | katie1231: well.. that is what *I* would do, but if you want to use the nvidia drivers right now you have compiled them for the backports kernel, while you are still using the stock kernel |
| 19:45.04 | DeaDSouL | katie1231: if you have the backport repo, just type : aptitude -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64 |
| 19:45.35 | jmcnaught | katie1231: so you need to upgrade to backports kernel, or get nvidia-driver to compile for the stock kernel (by using linux-headers-amd64 3.16) |
| 19:46.24 | katie1231 | ill just upgrade to backports kernel since I don't know how to make the nvidia-driver to compile |
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| 19:48.03 | katie1231 | is there a way to get the nouveau drivers to render better graphics? I would rather do that instead |
| 19:48.36 | DeaDSouL | katie1231: next time, jsut write a script to auto complie nvidia, whenever kernel updated, and store it in /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ .... it will save you a lot of headache |
| 19:48.37 | jmcnaught | katie1231: it's not that hard. you'd first "aptitude remove linux-headers-amd64", then install that package again w/o the "-t jessie-backports" flag. |
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| 19:49.21 | jmcnaught | DeaDSouL: the DKMS package in Debian already does that, the problem here was that linux-headers were different version than linux-image |
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| 19:50.08 | jmcnaught | thinks about updating NvidiaGraphicsDrivers, doesn't even have Nvidia though. |
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| 19:52.52 | markybob | jmcnaught: you finally got your account? |
| 19:53.02 | jmcnaught | katie1231: there's a #nouveau channel that might be able to help you with nouveau specific problems if you prefer to use the open source drivers |
| 19:53.20 | jmcnaught | markybob: i've had an account there for years. i wrote the first version of DontBreakDebian :) |
| 19:53.52 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: okay i did "aptitude remove linux-headers-amd64" then reinstalled nvidia drivers without "-t jessie-backports" and when i run the apt-cache policy linux-headers-amd64 installed: none |
| 19:54.01 | markybob | jmcnaught: oh i must have confused you with someone else. someone with a similar nick said they were having problems yesterday making one |
| 19:54.28 | jmcnaught | katie1231: you still need linux-headers-amd64 installed, just not from backports |
| 19:54.52 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: how do i install that then? |
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| 19:54.57 | jmcnaught | katie1231: "apt-get install linux-headers-amd64" (then check with apt-cache policy that you have 3.16) |
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| 19:56.20 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: okay apt-cache policies match now. |
| 19:56.26 | jmcnaught | katie1231: then after that do "apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
| 19:56.45 | jmcnaught | katie1231: and watch the output, it will say whether it successfully builds a module or not |
| 19:57.18 | katie1231 | --reinstall isn't understood |
| 19:58.53 | katie1231 | just needed the install --reinstall |
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| 19:59.36 | jmcnaught | katie1231: --reinstall can go before install, you just can't forget install |
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| 20:00.02 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: got it. Looks like the DKMS: install completed. so am i good to go? |
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| 20:01.06 | jmcnaught | katie1231: probably. if you reboot and it doesn't work it'll probably just be the same situation as before |
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| 20:02.39 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: yea when i reboot it sends me straight into tty1....hmm |
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| 20:03.49 | jmcnaught | katie1231: you said above that you reinstalled nvidia-drivers not from backports? the problem wasn't using nvidia-driver from backports, it was the linux-headers from backports |
| 20:04.40 | jmcnaught | katie1231: so you could check /var/log/Xorg.0.log again ("0" is the most recent one), or perhaps "apt-get -t jessie-backports install nvidia-driver" |
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| 20:04.59 | jmcnaught | katie1231: my suspicion is that now you have a mix of the backports and non-backports nvidia packages |
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| 20:09.16 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: yea i check Xorg.0.log and it's still the same errors |
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| 20:12.20 | jmcnaught | katie1231: "aptitude purge ~i~nnvidia" should remove all of the nvidia packages. double check the list of proposed removals before answering yes, ask about anything you think shouldn't be removed. |
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| 20:13.11 | jmcnaught | katie1231: then you can reinstall the nvidia driver packages you need, either from backports or not (but not a mix) |
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| 20:13.30 | jmcnaught | katie1231: or if you want i can help you get back to using nouveau |
| 20:13.57 | katie1231 | yea i think i want to just get back to using nouveau. At least then I still have a working machine. |
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| 20:14.33 | Somelauw | About the package 'festival'? How do I install a new voice for this program? What package do I find them in? |
| 20:14.50 | jmcnaught | katie1231: try that "aptitude purge ~i~nnvidia" command, but double-check it doesn't remove anything you want to keep |
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| 20:15.19 | markybob | Somelauw: you apt-cache search festival |
| 20:15.38 | jmcnaught | katie1231: then you need to remove the file you made in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and there will also be a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ that blacklists nouveau, remove that too |
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| 20:16.12 | hiya | debian 7 has systemd too right? |
| 20:17.01 | markybob | hiya: it has it. not default. jessie made it default. |
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| 20:18.02 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: I should delete the fbdev-blacklist.conf file correct? |
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| 20:18.52 | jmcnaught | katie1231: no |
| 20:19.06 | jmcnaught | katie1231: there's a different file that actually says the word nouveau in it |
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| 20:19.26 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: i dont see that file |
| 20:19.51 | katie1231 | i only have dkms.conf fbdev-blacklist.conf and modesetting.conf |
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| 20:20.38 | Biganon | Hi ; I've just installed phpmyadmin with aptitude, but no /usr/share/phpmyadmin directory was created ; the configuration files included with the package point to this directory though |
| 20:20.45 | jmcnaught | katie1231: i don't know what the file is named. read the contents of each file with "cat". Or do "grep nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/*" |
| 20:20.48 | hiya | markybob, kk |
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| 20:21.13 | Somelauw | markybob: I could find packages for some of the voices (although some start with festvox instead), but some of the voices seem to be missing for example I couldn't find packages for Spanish and Welsh. |
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| 20:21.39 | Somelauw | markybob: the mentions explicitely mentions English, Spanish, Russian and Welsh to be options |
| 20:22.58 | Somelauw | nvm, I found them |
| 20:23.13 | Somelauw | I was grepping case-sensitive |
| 20:23.45 | jmcnaught | katie1231: it's probably the dkms.conf file. if you do "cat dkms.conf" does it say nouveau? That would be the one to remove. |
| 20:24.34 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: no it doesn't say nouveau |
| 20:24.40 | Mathisen | maybe offtopic in here but where can i get the tails iso ? im talking about https://tails.boum.org/ i feel dumb here.... |
| 20:25.10 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: maybe i deleted those default nouveau drivers? |
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| 20:25.35 | markybob | !tails |
| 20:25.36 | dpkg | Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. https://tails.boum.org/ #tails on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 20:25.42 | markybob | pretty offtopic, yeah |
| 20:25.49 | jmcnaught | katie1231: grep nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/* <--- this returns nothing? maybe purging the nvidia drivers actually removes the blacklist file now. it used to leave that file behind |
| 20:26.40 | Mathisen | markybob, okej :) thx anyway |
| 20:26.46 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: yea returns nothing |
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| 20:28.04 | TomTomTosch | Mathisen: riding the offtopic train > their website has a big Install button with a bittorrent file at the end of a few clicks. |
| 20:29.03 | Mathisen | TomTomTosch, thx |
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| 20:29.32 | markybob | TomTomTosch: i see you're joined the dark side |
| 20:30.06 | Somelauw | the difference between festival, foxlite and flint seems vague at least |
| 20:30.24 | TomTomTosch | chuckles darkly |
| 20:30.47 | katie1231 | jmcnaught: should i reboot? |
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| 20:31.22 | jmcnaught | katie1231: yeah :) worst case is you're still in same situation. good luck, i gotta eat. lots of other helpers here though |
| 20:31.32 | katie1231 | thanks! |
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| 20:31.55 | mariok | Hello! |
| 20:32.24 | mariok | I tried to do a Debian Stretch installation with the Image debian-stretch-DI-alpha5-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 20:32.36 | markybob | mariok: don't. it's known to be broken |
| 20:32.44 | markybob | mariok: install stable and dist-upgrade |
| 20:32.54 | mariok | The Installation failed in the section "Select and install software". |
| 20:33.00 | mariok | I found this is the problem: |
| 20:33.07 | mariok | http://paste.debian.net/432042/ |
| 20:33.13 | katie1231 | on boot up i get "Failed to start GNOME display manager" |
| 20:33.23 | markybob | mariok: yeah. read what i said. |
| 20:33.51 | mariok | markybob: okay thanks |
| 20:34.08 | mariok | do you know the bug id of the bug? |
| 20:34.29 | mariok | because you know it is boken I expect there is a bug open. Is'n it? |
| 20:34.52 | mariok | markybob: thanks for the fast reply |
| 20:34.54 | markybob | mariok: not off the top of my head and to be honest i'm pretty drunk. but i do know what i said is a fact. we get a ton of people in here every day complaining about alpha 5. that same exact issue |
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| 20:35.46 | mariok | It's okay for me. So you (Debian people) are aware of that. Thanks for the support |
| 20:35.54 | markybob | mariok: yes |
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| 20:45.19 | Somelauw | Could the package festvox-ellpc11k be broken? After installing it, I tried running festival --language spanish or castillian_spanish but both tell me I didn't install a spanish voice. |
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| 20:48.21 | markybob | Somelauw: i've honestly never used it so this is just a guess. maybe you need to logout and back in for it to recognize it? |
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| 21:58.44 | MaBunny | Yo guys |
| 21:58.57 | maher | update-flashplugin-nonfree --status shows a newer version available upstream, but it doesn't seem to want to update to it - any advice? |
| 21:59.02 | MaBunny | Hows the day going!!! |
| 21:59.11 | jonathan_zz | almost over, thank god ;-). |
| 21:59.39 | MaBunny | Mines started,at night ;) |
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| 22:00.07 | MaBunny | Thnx to prev days night when i had to study |
| 22:00.36 | MaBunny | So,when i was gone for exam |
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| 22:01.02 | MaBunny | N came at 2 pm or so i found |
| 22:01.29 | MaBunny | Someone has switched off the computer!!! |
| 22:01.54 | MaBunny | I mean seven hrs of downloading!! |
| 22:02.05 | dvs | runs away |
| 22:02.11 | MaBunny | Lol |
| 22:02.24 | MaBunny | So im starting again |
| 22:02.48 | MaBunny | Just awoke now |
| 22:03.00 | MaBunny | *waked up |
| 22:03.02 | dvs | What are you trying to download? |
| 22:03.35 | MaBunny | The desktop environ,gnome n ssh server,n system utilities |
| 22:03.37 | karlpinc | Psi-Jack: I know you can mirror just particiuar archs. I don't know about particular releases. |
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| 22:04.01 | MaBunny | I mean im not using netinst but |
| 22:04.23 | MaBunny | The install requires some downloads |
| 22:04.40 | MaBunny | Ok will keep you updated |
| 22:04.48 | dvs | netinst does for sure. others might as well. |
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| 22:05.37 | Psi-Jack | hmmm. |
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| 22:06.03 | Psi-Jack | Sometimes I reaally really hate Debian for the things they do, like repository mirroring and local mirror handling is just so.... dumbfounding. :/ |
| 22:07.00 | MaBunny | No thts actually good |
| 22:07.05 | MaBunny | I mean |
| 22:07.27 | MaBunny | The thing tht all softwares are in one place |
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| 22:08.11 | dvs | Psi-Jack, That's why I make my own mirror. The main repos I want are local to me. |
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| 22:09.32 | dutchfish | hi guys, i think i have a problem. Can someone help me out? W: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/main/source/Sources: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 22:10.04 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: hello again. You said that you went somewhere to do an exam. Does your campus have a network you could use? Maybe it would be faster to bring your computer to school and install Debian on it there. If you're doing multiple installs over a cell phone connection, I hope you don't get stuck with a crazy phone bill :) |
| 22:10.18 | markybob | !httpredir issues |
| 22:10.18 | dpkg | The <httpredir> service selects bad mirrors for some people. If you're one of them, try explicitly choosing a mirror: "deb http://ftp.XX.debian.org/debian jessie main" etc. (where XX is your, or a nearby, country code). Avoid using the US mirror round robin; ask me about <mirror list> <ftp.us.debian.org>. |
| 22:10.18 | siloxid | Psi-Jack: why, because you're DOSing debian repos and those pesky mirrors are still letting users download files they need? |
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| 22:12.07 | MaBunny | No jmcnaught its a far away school/college n we hav an internet conn in home,about 150kBps |
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| 22:12.50 | jmcnaught | uses apt-cacher-ng at home, thinks it's good enough for a lot of use cases. |
| 22:13.11 | jmcnaught | dutchfish: you might just need to try "apt update" a couple more times |
| 22:14.30 | dutchfish | jmcnaught, markybob worked like charm, thanks! |
| 22:14.34 | MaBunny | So i msged /msg dpkg httpredir |
| 22:15.09 | MaBunny | But it tells about sources.list,im in the installation |
| 22:15.55 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: that !httpredir issues wasn't for you, you're not the only one here :P |
| 22:16.08 | MaBunny | Ok |
| 22:16.11 | MaBunny | Srry |
| 22:16.30 | MaBunny | :D |
| 22:16.50 | Psi-Jack | siloxid: Pardon? |
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| 22:18.09 | MaBunny | I remember now jmcnaught,in the disk space rewriting process |
| 22:18.37 | MaBunny | I chose relatime,sync n 2 more options |
| 22:18.59 | MaBunny | Earlier i just choosed sync |
| 22:19.08 | siloxid | Psi-Jack: mirrors provide the ability to get files with aptitude when the main repository servers go down |
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| 22:19.21 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: ? you've lost me. |
| 22:19.35 | MaBunny | Nothing just |
| 22:19.44 | siloxid | Psi-Jack: without mirrors, you wouldn't be able to download any debian software |
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| 22:20.12 | TomTomTosch | MaBunny: you changed the fs mount options? |
| 22:20.20 | MaBunny | Yeah |
| 22:20.23 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: please limit yourself to support questions, and don't hit <enter> so much. |
| 22:20.36 | MaBunny | Srry |
| 22:20.38 | TomTomTosch | MaBunny: why? the default options should be fine for you. |
| 22:21.16 | TomTomTosch | MaBunny: if it isn't mounted rw it will not be very usable for you. |
| 22:21.57 | MaBunny | Its sync only now |
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| 22:22.35 | TomTomTosch | go back to the partitioning tool and change it back to the default options. |
| 22:22.49 | MaBunny | Ok |
| 22:23.06 | Psi-Jack | siloxid: That's not the point. |
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| 22:33.35 | Psi-Jack | siloxid: Yes... The point is.. I want to make my own local mirror copy. |
| 22:33.36 | TomTomTosch | MaBunny: if you anly selected sync it will not break things. but why do you think you need that? |
| 22:33.42 | TomTomTosch | s/anly/only |
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| 22:37.58 | Spec | Psi-Jack: check out aptly |
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| 22:40.48 | Psi-Jack | Spec: Hmmm.. Can it mirror a singular distribution version of Debian, potentially limit what's downloaded if not needing everything (which I don't need a lot, since I use Debian only for servers) |
| 22:40.57 | Spec | yes |
| 22:41.09 | Spec | You can supply complex filters and so on and so forth, very flexible |
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| 22:43.52 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm. I see. Looking at it now in my systemd-nspawn running instance. |
| 22:44.30 | Psi-Jack | I'm trying to mirror debian jessie and proxmox ve repos locally so I can version everything locally, and download once. |
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| 22:45.20 | mdim | hi all |
| 22:45.42 | mdim | I've been trying to install some packages non-interactively, but I always get a prompt, as shown at the bottom here: https://gitlab.com/mdimjasevic/dpkg-process-ci-for-real/builds/1044724 |
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| 22:45.55 | mdim | any clue how to avoid this (and select a default)? |
| 22:45.56 | jmcnaught | Psi-Jack: i use apt-cacher-ng so that packages are only downloaded once. pretty easy to set up, doesn't need to download a whole mirror or be told which stuff to mirror. |
| 22:45.56 | Lionyx | is there any other tool rather then "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" to config the console? If not, how do I add more fonts to it? (Debian Jessie) |
| 22:46.20 | mdim | it's keyboard-configuration that gives the prompt |
| 22:46.33 | mdim | this is on Debian Jessie |
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| 22:48.39 | jmcnaught | mdim: have you tried setting DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive? |
| 22:48.47 | mdim | jmcnaught: I have |
| 22:49.59 | ka0skontrol | hi |
| 22:50.35 | jmcnaught | mdim: it looks like it's trying to use dialog and then falling back on readline. have you read debconf(7)? there's a lot of good info in there |
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| 23:05.16 | mdim | jmcnaught: so, as I've said, I tried with DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive, but I still get questions. What can I do to make it fully non-interactive? |
| 23:05.48 | mdim | I've skimmed over the man page, but I haven't learned anything new that I could apply in this case |
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| 23:06.23 | jmcnaught | mdim: what does "debconf-show debconf" say "debconf/frontend:" is set to? |
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| 23:08.51 | hlzr | hi, how do I install suggested and recommended packages for a package that is already installed? I tried apt-get --install-suggests --install-recommends <package> but all it says is that the package is already the newest version. I don't want to have to remove it as it is providing a service I don't want to take offline. |
| 23:08.55 | hlzr | Please help :) |
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| 23:09.38 | jmcnaught | mdim: you could also consider preseeding with debconf-set-selections, or try the fallback db stuff discussed in the "Unattended Package Installation" section of debconf(7) |
| 23:11.20 | mdim | jmcnaught: interesting, the DEBIAN_FRONTEND variable's value gets completely ignored: https://gitlab.com/mdimjasevic/dpkg-process-ci-for-real/builds/1044905 |
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| 23:15.32 | jmcnaught | mdim: "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive debconf-show debconf" is not going to change any values. maybe you need to more than skim debconf(7). Also this looks like docker, maybe that ruby:2.1 image is based on some "not really Debian" image because Docker's "official" Debian images are "official" to Docker, not Debian |
| 23:16.19 | jmcnaught | mdim: https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/docker_run_debian/ <-- this explores some of the non-standard stuff going on in "official" Debian Docker images, so there might be more stuff that is kinda broken |
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| 23:18.21 | jmcnaught | mdim: "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" will change things by the way |
| 23:19.03 | jmcnaught | hlzr: what is the package? at the very least you could look at its Recommends and Suggests files with "apt-cache show <package>" and install them manually |
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| 23:20.43 | jmcnaught | hlzr: you could also try "aptitude seach ~RBrecommends:<package>" (take a look at the aptitude search term reference https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide) |
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| 23:21.33 | hlzr | jmcnaught: that's what I'm in the process of doing now, thank you |
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| 23:22.52 | ZorroT | i've got a reboot lock -- a working installation was updated (jessie) and now it's stuck in an endless cycle of reboot. it gets to grub, starts to boot, and it appearts the moment the login prompt appears on the screen (console) it flips over. "recovery mode" produces same result. |
| 23:22.56 | jmcnaught | hlzr: if you have configure apt to never install recommends, personally i think that's a bad idea. Usually recommends are good to have, that's why they're recommended. In the odd cases where recommends pulls in way to much stuff, then use "--no-install-recommends" for installing that particular package |
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| 23:47.45 | mdim | can someone tell me what is the "d-i" command mentioned here? https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apbs04.html.en |
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| 23:50.04 | jmcnaught | mdim: it's short for debian-installer, and it's not a command. it's more like a key in the preseed file that indicates this value is for the debian installer |
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| 23:55.16 | karlpinc | ZorroT: Boot off the install disk in rescue mode. |
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| 23:59.46 | toastedmilk | would this be the correct forum to ask a few questions regarding installing steam? or should I look to a steam-specific channel |
