| 00:01.39 | jml2 | guampa, you can pass scripts to interfaces using the "manual" and "up" statements in interfaces |
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| 00:02.45 | guampa | jml2: I'll try that |
| 00:03.28 | guampa | I'll try "manual" and see if there's a dhcp up script I can copy |
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| 00:03.57 | jml2 | guampa, dhcp script? |
| 00:04.59 | guampa | yeah, when you set an interface as dhcp... but I'm thinking that up/down scripts don't exist until you make one manually |
| 00:05.01 | jml2 | (check dhclient.conf) |
| 00:05.09 | jml2 | hein? |
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| 00:08.57 | guampa | I thought the dhcp interfaces were brought up by scripts under /etc/network, instead of how it actually is done with ifup |
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| 00:09.35 | jml2 | guampa, are you trying to setup dhcpd? |
| 00:09.45 | jml2 | guampa, or just setting up the dhcp client? |
| 00:10.12 | jml2 | guampa, you can specify dhclient in the up statement line after setting the interface to static |
| 00:10.33 | jml2 | guampa, (you can include dhclient in your own custom script) |
| 00:10.35 | guampa | oh that could work |
| 00:11.03 | guampa | I could bring it up with static so the container can fire up (it depends on that same interface as it's a bridge) |
| 00:11.08 | jml2 | guampa, are you using anything "special", otherwise commenting-out "auto <interface>" -- would mean that NM would handle it |
| 00:11.18 | jml2 | guampa, you'd have to blacklist the interface as well in NM |
| 00:11.30 | jml2 | guampa, dunno if you're having NM loading up |
| 00:11.31 | guampa | the system is nm-less |
| 00:12.01 | jml2 | guampa, you're using a "bridge" interface? |
| 00:12.08 | jml2 | guampa, then you use the bridge stanzas |
| 00:12.15 | jml2 | guampa, you'll have to add the package for it |
| 00:12.35 | jml2 | i usppose that would be for "brctl" -- bridge-utils |
| 00:13.04 | guampa | yes, it all works actually |
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| 00:13.35 | jml2 | needless to say and fwiw, openvswitch and macvtaps are the modern form of bridge interfaces |
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| 00:13.53 | jml2 | brctl is imho quite oldschool |
| 00:13.56 | jml2 | :) |
| 00:14.28 | guampa | I know, yes I should be using openvswitch actually, but opted for the classics b/c the rest of the setup is kinda experimental/complex |
| 00:14.30 | jml2 | if all you want to do is talk to a VM<->host, then you don't need to use more than a basic tuntap device |
| 00:14.51 | jml2 | (man ip-tuntap) |
| 00:14.58 | guampa | everything works now, and at some point I will use ovs |
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| 00:15.44 | guampa | I need a single broadcast domain for all VMs and the containers within them, so everything I fire up is autoconfigured with DHCP/DDNS |
| 00:16.16 | guampa | so far I chain two bridges, one at the top, physical host, and one at every KVM guest |
| 00:16.34 | guampa | another option is to "mess with ebtables" |
| 00:16.38 | jml2 | but it doesn't isolate traffic good |
| 00:16.54 | guampa | well for that part probably ebtables is the best |
| 00:16.59 | jml2 | that's why brctl actualyl sux... you're much better off with ovs! |
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| 00:17.14 | guampa | but as said so far I'm just setting everything up |
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| 00:17.21 | jml2 | still the traffic reaches the host/hypervisor.. |
| 00:17.26 | jml2 | with ovs it's much more isolating |
| 00:17.43 | jml2 | and you can bridge ovs-ovs on one machine too |
| 00:17.51 | guampa | where would you put the DHCP+DDNS in a structure like this? |
| 00:17.55 | jml2 | there's stanzas supported for it as well |
| 00:18.00 | jml2 | simple |
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| 00:18.27 | jml2 | set the managed port "br0" on an ovs bridge, and that can service DHCPD fromt he host if you want |
| 00:18.37 | jml2 | or even have DHCPD serviced from another VM |
| 00:18.46 | jml2 | there's many ways of doing it |
| 00:19.02 | jml2 | the "slave port" doesn't have to be "eth0" |
| 00:19.13 | stacks88 | ive got a few vms running using KVM. i am trying to make it so that smtp is blocked on my gusets for outgoing so they can't send out mail etc. trying to prevent abuse. so i have ran iptables -I FORWARD -o br0 -p tcp --dport 25 -j DROP; iptables -I FORWARD -o br0 -p tcp --dport 587 -j DROP -- then from one of the guests, i ran as a test telnet smtp.sendgrid.net 25 and it still connects/establishes |
| 00:19.14 | stacks88 | a connection. Does anyone know what i'm doing wrong? here is my iptables ruleset: http://pastebin.com/raw/y5uDZEDa -- ive got the 2 iptables commands i just referenced at the top of the forward chain as well (from googling i read something about that).. but im still able to telnet smtp.sendgrid.net 25 or 587 on the guest vms |
| 00:19.17 | guampa | yeah, sadly I'm at zero on ovs terminology |
| 00:19.21 | jml2 | br0 becomes eth0 when you slave things |
| 00:19.32 | jml2 | in a way -- in simple speak |
| 00:19.50 | jml2 | you could make a "dummy" interface and slave that to a bridge for br0 |
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| 00:20.03 | jml2 | and that dummy interface can have a host-ip address |
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| 00:20.11 | jml2 | (host meaning the physical machine) |
| 00:20.16 | guampa | kinda like I have now at the top, a TAP+bridge |
| 00:20.29 | jml2 | guampa, uh huh |
| 00:20.48 | jml2 | guampa, but don't you want to isolate traffic? |
| 00:21.14 | jml2 | guampa, the purpose of VMS is to isolate traffic from the host.. you'd like to protect the hypervisor as much as possible -- this is why brctl was superceded by ovs |
| 00:21.39 | jml2 | guampa, it's also very easy to setup too |
| 00:21.57 | guampa | heh, of course, but there's the catch22, how to have stuff that needs a single broadcast domain and at the same time break the domains |
| 00:22.08 | guampa | stuff like... DHCP |
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| 00:22.25 | jml2 | guampa, here-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYW7kQRyUvA |
| 00:23.10 | jml2 | guampa, are you servicing dhcp over the wire? |
| 00:23.29 | jml2 | guampa, in that condition, you just slave eth0 to an ovs bridge, ... |
| 00:23.33 | guampa | no, this is all in the same machine and its VMS |
| 00:23.53 | jml2 | guampa, yeah so i mentioned already that you can also use a dummy interface |
| 00:24.02 | jml2 | guampa, (modprobe dummy) :) |
| 00:24.17 | jml2 | guampa, you can have more than 1 dummy interface using module options (/etc/modprobe.d.) |
| 00:25.00 | jml2 | guampa, though if you want to "attach" such a dummy interface.. I think "tuntap" should rather be used--- for the host itself, while the other side is attached to the ovs bridge |
| 00:25.16 | jml2 | (you should be able to use a dummy interface with brctl) |
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| 00:25.37 | jmcnaught | systemd-networkd might be a lighter-weight alternative to openvswitch |
| 00:26.01 | guampa | what does it use under the hood? |
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| 00:26.34 | jmcnaught | systemd? it doesn't use brctl or openvswitch |
| 00:27.59 | jmcnaught | i don't think networkd is integrated very much in jessie, but it is there. i've only seen it spoken about in a debconf15 video and read the man page, i haven't tried it yet. still using the oldschool techniques |
| 00:28.09 | guampa | at the same time I see ip alone can create bridges, so no need for brctl there either |
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| 00:30.02 | jml2 | guampa, depends on what you mean by bridge -- there's several of them |
| 00:30.11 | jml2 | guampa, (macvtaps in different modes), veth, ... |
| 00:30.33 | jml2 | guampa, macvtaps shuold be supported by your VM software |
| 00:30.50 | guampa | I avoided macvtap as I read it may present problems with guest-host traffic |
| 00:30.55 | jml2 | guampa, these are advanced and can get stacked directly on eth0.. but interacting with the machine (Host) can be done directly |
| 00:31.09 | jml2 | guampa, well they're meant for traffic isolation |
| 00:31.23 | jml2 | guampa, you'd need an external router to do traffic with its eth0 host |
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| 00:32.15 | guampa | this is all very amazing, really. So much new stuff |
| 00:32.18 | jml2 | -> |
| 00:32.24 | jml2 | "but interacting with the machine (Host) can be done directly" << "can't be done directly" |
| 00:32.26 | jml2 | what i meant |
| 00:32.45 | jml2 | it's new the last 2 years.. it started getting stable |
| 00:32.53 | guampa | yeah that's why I avoided it. Outside the real ethernet there's only a crappy TP-Link router :p |
| 00:32.54 | jml2 | especially macvtaps |
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| 00:33.12 | jml2 | also you can do "macvtap passthrough" -- in which in this mode a macvtap completely hogs the eth0 interface :) |
| 00:33.22 | jml2 | so eth0 is not available for anything else |
| 00:33.39 | guampa | I will probably leave this as it is until I can learn all the new combinations and good practices |
| 00:33.51 | jml2 | good practice is "ovs" -- not brctl.. |
| 00:33.55 | jml2 | trust me :) |
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| 00:34.21 | jml2 | once you go ovs, you don't go back.. also if you see things with "vde2" -- it's not as advanced -- i think vde2 is a dead project |
| 00:34.23 | guampa | yeah, even with all this over my head I concluded I want to go there before, when I started this project |
| 00:34.57 | guampa | so for now I'll try maybe static+up in interfaces. But it's really cosmetic as it works with the rc.local hack and I will move soon to ovs |
| 00:35.25 | jml2 | you'll waste time trying to use ebtables-- i tried everything you're doing 2 years ago actually |
| 00:35.43 | jml2 | even back then i had to compile the latest ovs because it was still coming out of stable |
| 00:35.52 | guampa | ebtables looks like lots of money on aspirin |
| 00:36.19 | jml2 | i tried ebtables with "bridge" interfaces to no success -- this was some time ago.. |
| 00:36.31 | jml2 | i suppose it is "buggy" |
| 00:36.35 | jml2 | lol |
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| 00:37.04 | jml2 | i let you try to use it.. but you'll end up with the same issues-- i don't think these projects are maintained anymore |
| 00:37.30 | guampa | I don't think it's buggy, but it's too low level and it would require too much effort for the gain, at least that's how it looks |
| 00:37.43 | jml2 | it's now pretty much iproute2 and forward... it's why some mainstream distros have been even dropping ifupdown support (not packaging ifconfig) |
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| 00:37.57 | jml2 | from my experience ebtables doesn't work.. |
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| 00:38.01 | guampa | well ifconfig should be dead |
| 00:38.38 | jml2 | guampa, are you using tuntaps or .. |
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| 00:38.52 | jml2 | guampa, something lxc takes |
| 00:39.30 | jml2 | (ip tuntap --- but there are others) |
| 00:39.51 | guampa | yeah tuntaps |
| 00:39.58 | guampa | TAP devices |
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| 00:40.02 | jml2 | i use ovs+tuntap, i don't know if the other virt interfaaces connect to ovs |
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| 00:40.35 | jml2 | guampa, if you follow that basic tutorial above (youtube), it can give a basic sense |
| 00:41.08 | guampa | bookmarked :) |
| 00:41.32 | jml2 | guampa, when you add ports to an ovs bridge, it stores things in it's own database --- you might have issues when you "boot" where there's mismatch between device nodes and stored interfaces in the ovs db .. I think this fixed this back a year ago |
| 00:41.54 | jml2 | guampa, but the interfaces defined on boot-up stilll need to be configured for "up" state or having an ip address assigned |
| 00:42.19 | jml2 | guampa, that's the tricky part |
| 00:42.57 | jml2 | guampa, also not documented well, is you can have an "unassigned ip" address to the managed "br0" interface and have that set as "manual" with no ip address.. if all you want is VM<->VM communication without involving the host |
| 00:43.05 | guampa | ovs may smooth things by removing all the old bridging, but I still will have to think around the circular dependence on the "first" KVM guest that hosts the (essential) DHCP+DDNS container |
| 00:43.22 | guampa | it's mostly so it registers in DDNS |
| 00:43.47 | jml2 | guampa, btw the "iptables" or anything firewall (on the hypervisor) does not have any effect between OVS tuntaps on its bridge.. |
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| 00:44.04 | guampa | and also, every other container, potentially inside other KVM guests, should have broadcast access to the DHCP |
| 00:44.08 | jml2 | guampa, as opposode to brctl, it could. |
| 00:44.24 | jml2 | guampa, this what makes the ovs bridge traffic very isolated |
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| 00:44.40 | guampa | maybe I could set up two networks, one being a single broadcast space, very limited to only DHCP |
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| 00:45.06 | jml2 | ovs can co-exists with brctl interfaces on the same system -- but of course don't mix the two on the same system |
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| 00:46.06 | jml2 | guampa, let me guess you're using "eth0" for the host.. |
| 00:46.09 | jml2 | guampa, :) |
| 00:46.21 | jml2 | guampa, you'll still get arp traffic sweeping directly onto the wire.. |
| 00:46.23 | guampa | the real host? |
| 00:46.32 | jml2 | guampa, for your bridge |
| 00:46.36 | jml2 | guampa, host<->vms |
| 00:46.44 | guampa | no, at the real host the bridge includes just a TAP |
| 00:46.50 | jml2 | guampa, ok |
| 00:47.08 | jml2 | guampa, and you're using that as the main bridge device? |
| 00:47.21 | jml2 | guampa, i suppose that might cause problems.. so that's why i mentioned the dummy interfaces |
| 00:47.39 | jml2 | guampa, it's been awhile since i used brctl.. |
| 00:47.41 | guampa | then all the KVM eths are in the bridge and (lel) again bridged to the LXC's eths |
| 00:48.04 | jml2 | guampa, but if you're using that tuntap for the "host", you can't use it for a VM |
| 00:48.11 | jml2 | guampa, i suppose you know this |
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| 00:48.29 | jml2 | guampa, wait sorry |
| 00:48.33 | jml2 | guampa, i take that back |
| 00:48.35 | guampa | no, the TAP is there only so the bridge has anything (other than the real ethernet) to work |
| 00:48.38 | jml2 | guampa, you should be able to .. |
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| 00:48.44 | jml2 | guampa, but I mean in "network" fashion.. |
| 00:49.22 | jml2 | guampa, you'd have to somehow bind that interface to meetup with the VMs tuntaps |
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| 00:49.51 | guampa | yeah, I bridge them into the same br0 |
| 00:50.03 | guampa | that's standard libvirt |
| 00:50.19 | jml2 | guampa, you can also do this->>> vethA-vethB (assign host IP address on vethA) ,, and then throw Macvtaps on top of vethB |
| 00:50.22 | jml2 | ^ :) |
| 00:50.42 | jml2 | guampa, this way you can have macvtaps talk to the physical host :) |
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| 00:50.52 | guampa | that's another option I considered (and another option I don't quite fully understand) |
| 00:51.01 | jml2 | it's actually easy to setup |
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| 00:51.15 | guampa | but isn't ovs better than that in terms of simplicity and perf? |
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| 00:51.37 | jml2 | the macvtaps cannot talk to anything of an ip-address set on vethB |
| 00:51.47 | guampa | OTOH, I'm targeting stuff that integrates OOTB with libvirt/virt-manager |
| 00:51.51 | jml2 | (vethA-vethB) is one device... but is special |
| 00:51.56 | jml2 | it's called a veth-pair |
| 00:52.18 | jml2 | you can actually have ip addresses (2 different ones) on each end of a veth.. |
| 00:52.33 | guampa | one side of the veth pair is at the guest and the other at the host? |
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| 00:52.45 | jml2 | you just leave vethB without any ipaddress... but when you bring the "link up" on either end, both vethA and vethB come up at the same time |
| 00:53.11 | jml2 | guampa, actually no.. doesn['t work like that.. because VM software can only use tap devices.. |
| 00:53.19 | jml2 | guampa, macvtap is a type of tap device.. |
| 00:53.31 | jml2 | guampa, macvtaps can be attached to vethB.. |
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| 00:54.12 | jml2 | jml2, but in this setup.. you don't set any ip address on Vethb... just leave it as a link alone that goes up |
| 00:54.46 | jml2 | jml2, you can then throw- > tcpdump -i vethb -n |
| 00:55.19 | guampa | however I think ovs is a better choice, it has more abilities such as cross host |
| 00:55.29 | jml2 | jml2, ovs is industry supported |
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| 00:56.11 | guampa | I would be better learning that in the first place I think |
| 00:56.59 | jml2 | macvtaps are imho also industry supported -- redhat is behind it |
| 00:58.02 | jml2 | easiest setup is to use a dummy device then smack macvtaps in "mode bridge" |
| 00:58.17 | jml2 | if you later want to "route" traffic from say "dummy0" to eth0, that can be done as well |
| 00:58.29 | jml2 | (even then use NAT on the eth0 interface for the dummy0 network) |
| 00:58.47 | guampa | just allow forwarding and voila |
| 00:58.55 | jml2 | (mode bridge for "macvtaps" means the macvtaps can talk directly with one another) |
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| 00:59.19 | jml2 | (https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Virtualization_Administration_Guide/sect-attch-nic-physdev.html) |
| 00:59.22 | guampa | so each 1st level KVM would have its macvtap |
| 00:59.31 | jml2 | recall i mentioned "passthrough" |
| 00:59.34 | guampa | and all of them would be bridged to the dummy at the host |
| 01:00.11 | jml2 | the dummy interface is the underlying bridge device itself |
| 01:00.33 | jml2 | it becomes a bridge when you add macvtaps on it... it's self-hosting bridge solution |
| 01:00.40 | guampa | ah so it's like my TAP+bridge only better |
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| 01:00.58 | jml2 | yeah it's kinda efficient too because it's directly supported with the kernel |
| 01:01.19 | jml2 | i mean the linux kernel project keeps getting innovations with redhat's updates on it |
| 01:01.41 | jml2 | (be sure you're not on kernel 3.2 --- something more above 3.16++) |
| 01:01.55 | jml2 | i have a remove system that uses this |
| 01:01.55 | guampa | and in the KVMs <-> LXCs I would keep using plain old bridges? |
| 01:02.00 | jml2 | i can pull out some commands |
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| 01:02.27 | guampa | I think LXC doesn't support all this new stuff |
| 01:02.56 | jml2 | eg, ip link add name vethA index 50 type veth peer name veth10nwb index 51 , the index numbers are also optional |
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| 01:03.14 | jml2 | (so it could be -> ip link add name vethA type veth peer name veth10nwb) |
| 01:03.37 | jml2 | (ip link add name vethA type veth peer name vethB) |
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| 01:04.11 | jml2 | then add a macvtap -> ip link add link vethB name mymacvtap type macvtap mode bridge |
| 01:04.30 | jml2 | or if in private mode for the macvtap -> > ip link add link vethB name mymacvtap type macvtap mode private |
| 01:04.37 | jml2 | and that's all there is to it |
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| 01:05.07 | jml2 | from therte you can use "ip address" to set an ip address for vethA, and see if the ip link for vethB went up -> ip -d link show (-d would say the type of veth device you're viewing) |
| 01:05.44 | jml2 | .. and another thing.. is you might need to set a "mac address" to match the exact mac address as inside the VM.. dunno if this was a bug back 2 years ago.. but it's what i kept in my settings |
| 01:06.07 | jml2 | if the mac-address ever changes inside the VM (mac spoofing) the macvtap drive won't let traffic through on the hypervisor side |
| 01:06.34 | jml2 | guampa, that'll catch you offguard.. |
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| 01:07.37 | jml2 | also ensure the macvtaps are up on the host side --- optionally you can iirc even set an " ip address on the macvtap" on the host side.. so that if the "ip address" in the VM is different then no traffic would go through << dunno if i'm right on this one |
| 01:07.43 | guampa | with so much new stuff I expect to encounter a few gotchas yep |
| 01:08.11 | jml2 | guampa, here this is not well documented because i dont use anything virtsh.. i use all bash+scripts.. |
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| 01:08.54 | guampa | yeah, that's one thing thal in principle will limit the scope. I like managing everything from the same window |
| 01:09.01 | jml2 | guampa, so if you want to use qemu things and expect /dev/tap<number> <<< you can't determine the index number unless you know you just created it... so this is why i use "index" number for the "ip" macvtap creation line |
| 01:09.55 | jml2 | guampa, -- not well documented here is ->> you use the FD (filedescriptor) on the qemu line... |
| 01:09.59 | jml2 | guampa, (macvtaps) |
| 01:10.24 | guampa | are you working with virtualization jml2? |
| 01:10.32 | jml2 | guampa, there's many ways of isolating traffic.. but i think going bash+scripts is very tedius |
| 01:10.44 | jml2 | guampa, i work here for my own vms.. |
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| 01:11.09 | jml2 | guampa, reason why i went this route is because the gui interfaces don't support optimized options |
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| 01:11.19 | jml2 | guampa, redhat was adding/fixing stuff up on their releases |
| 01:11.31 | guampa | true enough, but it's getting better with the time |
| 01:11.59 | guampa | virt-manager has improved since I been using it |
| 01:12.03 | jml2 | guampa, also ovs got better the last 2 years.. "port mirroring" was broken.. I use this for a NIDS vm |
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| 01:12.50 | guampa | one of the first issues with ovs was performance, I guess it was a stopper for adoption |
| 01:13.11 | guampa | then they kinda eliminated the problems |
| 01:13.19 | jml2 | guampa, you can't do "monitoring" with brctl ... this means lets say you want to "clone" traffic all to one tuntap... but have "zero" traffic ever able to come out of the tuntap -- this is what mirroring does on the hypervisor/ovs side.. The internal VM has snort listening on that interface.. Any "attack" even against snort can never leave the interface due to ovs/mirroring restriction |
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| 01:14.03 | jml2 | guampa, you can also "set" what interfaces on an ovs bridge you want cloned.. as well as direction -- but you can only have 1 mirror port per ovs bridge |
| 01:14.25 | jml2 | guampa, as well as ipfix/netflow metering features of ovs.. |
| 01:14.45 | jml2 | guampa, ovs directly can create metering flows to a particular port on an ovs bridge.. |
| 01:15.09 | jml2 | guampa, now you see why i said brctl is obsolete :) |
| 01:15.12 | jml2 | tehehe |
| 01:15.13 | guampa | hahaha |
| 01:15.39 | guampa | it looks precambric compared to this |
| 01:15.47 | jml2 | these are are all just 1-line commands to initiate from the ovs/host side.. |
| 01:16.23 | jml2 | however the mirroringport command is tricky that needs a look-up on the web for how to do.. it actually is 3 or 4 statements, but it can be summed into 1 |
| 01:16.45 | jml2 | it has it's own "--" aggregator to make it 1 line.. but it is still a bit tricky |
| 01:17.18 | jml2 | i'm not even using it's most advanced features (control planes) -- but i am using these specific features on one host |
| 01:17.52 | jml2 | gtg... bb |
| 01:17.56 | guampa | well. I'm sold |
| 01:17.58 | jml2 | needs to catch somethin |
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| 01:18.04 | guampa | what can I say :p |
| 01:18.12 | guampa | thanks a lot man |
| 01:18.20 | jml2 | np :)) |
| 01:18.24 | jml2 | good luck! |
| 01:18.25 | guampa | amazing info and help |
| 01:18.28 | jml2 | yw |
| 01:18.30 | jml2 | :) |
| 01:18.33 | guampa | you too, bye |
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| 01:24.44 | Thraul | An update has broken samba. The server now wont start after upgrading packages...grrrr |
| 01:24.53 | Thraul | *service |
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| 01:26.32 | dvs | Samba works for me after a whole lot of wrestling. |
| 01:26.44 | Thraul | how did you get it to work? |
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| 01:27.02 | dvs | Thraul, fixing through aptitude |
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| 01:27.13 | dvs | "aptitude -f install" |
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| 01:27.54 | Thraul | dpkg: error processing package samba (--configure): didn't work |
| 01:27.54 | dpkg | thraul: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 01:29.21 | Thraul | http://paste.debian.net/432827/ |
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| 01:30.41 | Thraul | http://paste.debian.net/432828/ |
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| 01:32.06 | dvs | Thraul, sorry, I don't use systemd. |
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| 02:05.30 | un214 | How do I get X out of 640x480 |
| 02:05.41 | un214 | I'm on a console IRC right now as X is completely unusable |
| 02:05.46 | un214 | so I can't follow links |
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| 02:06.25 | jmcnaught | un214: can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net/ using pastebinit? |
| 02:06.28 | jmcnaught | !pastebinit |
| 02:06.28 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 02:06.50 | un214 | I'm pretty sure I know what happened |
| 02:06.58 | un214 | a dumb program switched X to 640x480 and crashed |
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| 02:07.08 | un214 | and kde remembered the setting |
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| 02:08.45 | jmcnaught | un214: if you think that's it, go back into KDE and use the settings application to change the resolution again. I think KDE uses the common "Alt+Space" shortcut to get the window title menu that has a move window option which might help if a dialogue is too large to fit on the screen |
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| 02:09.05 | un214 | pastebined as http://paste.debian.net/432833 |
| 02:10.19 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:11.00 | un214 | no point -- jmcnaught had the right answer |
| 02:11.28 | jmcnaught | un214: back to normal then? your Xorg.0.log didn't really have any errors in it |
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| 02:11.44 | un214 | yup I called it kde remembered the setting change by the dumb application |
| 02:13.00 | un214 | quite to my surprise it was actually usable |
| 02:13.14 | un214 | If I had the high-dpi monitor plugged in at the time it wouldn't have been |
| 02:14.34 | jmcnaught | un214: i seem to recall kwin having some per-application settings for fullscreen applications that might be useful. i think my roommate uses them to get KSP to play nice with this desktop |
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| 02:17.03 | un214 | jmcnaught looking |
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| 02:19.56 | un214 | I don't suppose there's a way to just tell it "don't save the desktop resolution" |
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| 02:23.06 | jmcnaught | un214: maybe? i stopped using KDE because there were too many options |
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| 02:25.26 | un214 | Well I don't want to transition not because kde is good or bad but because the modern accessability themes are badly broken |
| 02:25.32 | un214 | and I can't figure out how to export mine |
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| 02:25.50 | un214 | The place I got it from doesn't exist anymore |
| 02:25.54 | jmcnaught | un214: i'm not suggesting you migrate, i just am not that familiar with KDE anymore |
| 02:26.17 | un214 | *shrug* |
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| 02:38.20 | Akuw | i need to install ruby 1.9 in jessie, but sudo aptitude search show 1.8 |
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| 02:41.03 | TomTomTosch | Akuw: which debian version? |
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| 02:41.10 | Akuw | jessie |
| 02:41.13 | jmcnaught | Akuw: what does "apt-cache policy ruby" say? |
| 02:41.27 | cynicallemon | Akuw, should be 2.1.5 |
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| 02:43.03 | Akuw | Candidate: 1:2.1.5+deb8u1 |
| 02:44.20 | jmcnaught | Akuw: ruby is dependency package that on jessie depends on ruby2.1 |
| 02:44.38 | Akuw | then |
| 02:45.24 | jmcnaught | Akuw: if you're having trouble, put the command and full output on http://paste.debian.net/ so we can help |
| 02:46.29 | TomTomTosch | whatever you want to run does not work with 2.1 ? |
| 02:47.25 | Akuw | look ---> A ruby1.8 - Interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby 1.8 |
| 02:47.41 | Akuw | is currently installee |
| 02:47.45 | Akuw | installed |
| 02:47.57 | Akuw | i used aptitude search |
| 02:48.54 | TomTomTosch | ruby1.8 is not in jessie. did you get that from somewhere else? |
| 02:49.05 | jmcnaught | Akuw: then you'll need to show your sources.list and source.list.d/*.list |
| 02:50.00 | Akuw | wait |
| 02:50.06 | jmcnaught | Akuw: and the output of "apt-cache policy ruby1.8" would be helpful, the complete output not just one line |
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| 02:52.31 | catbeard | https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck |
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| 02:55.21 | Akuw | http://paste.debian.net/432840/ |
| 02:57.48 | dvs | Akuw, no output for "apt-cache policty ruby1.8"? |
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| 02:58.39 | markybob | Akuw: i'm not sure any of us really think you're using jessie. or debian. |
| 02:58.51 | Akuw | Installed: 1.8.7.358-7.1+deb7u2 |
| 02:59.26 | Akuw | Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l |
| 02:59.38 | Akuw | i just made dist-upgrade |
| 02:59.41 | jmcnaught | Akuw: it looks like maybe you did a partial upgrade from wheezy to jessie. Did you follow the instructions in the Jessie release notes? Anyways good luck, you're kinda difficult to help when you don't provide all the information we ask for |
| 02:59.41 | markybob | those two things don't go toger |
| 03:00.14 | markybob | together* |
| 03:00.26 | Akuw | i did upgrade from wheezy to jessie |
| 03:00.41 | markybob | aparently not properly |
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| 03:01.30 | jmcnaught | Akuw: it looks like the upgrade was not completed. The best thing to do is review the instructions in the release notes and see what you missed: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 03:01.49 | Akuw | x86 |
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| 06:53.48 | Lope | kerframil on #linux claims that this command doesn't start a new screen and type 'ls (enter)', under any circumstances. But it works for me. Can someone else confirm please? |
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| 06:59.15 | TomTomTosch | what is stuff supposed to do? |
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| 07:01.17 | Lope | creates a new detached screen called test then types ls enter inside it. |
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| 07:02.35 | TomTomTosch | no, the word stuff. |
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| 07:11.36 | TomTomTosch | Lope: i mean, it does create a detached screen session. |
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| 07:14.12 | Lope | Okay I can confirm basically on screen 4.00 that command doesn't work, but on 4.01 and newer, it works. |
| 07:14.24 | Lope | (pre wheezy) |
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| 07:39.54 | Grant_P | Hi All, using systemd with a PreExecStart defined but it requires root/sudo to run the script. Any ideas how to achieve this one? |
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| 08:25.45 | zigurat | http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi is down could someone please have a look? |
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| 08:33.16 | jml2 | zigurat, a look? |
| 08:33.20 | jml2 | zigurat, for what? |
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| 08:33.57 | zigurat | For why it might be down |
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| 08:34.54 | RoyK^Heime | looks like it's reinstalled or something |
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| 08:38.41 | jml2 | zigurat, you can google "manpage of <>" and it'll display the correct page most of the time |
| 08:39.04 | zigurat | No. I tried that and ended in a lot of trouble once |
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| 08:39.16 | zigurat | I prefer the official release man page |
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| 08:40.33 | jml2 | zigurat, you can install man2html and run it locally from localhost |
| 08:40.42 | jml2 | zigurat, most linux manpages are unchanged |
| 08:40.54 | zigurat | Ok thanks for the help |
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| 08:45.19 | jml2 | most manpages come with their debian packages -- though some of them like "pulseaudio" are missing ... |
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| 08:45.39 | jml2 | dunno why debian has them out, I think I filed on this to the pulseaudio maintainers |
| 08:45.45 | jml2 | zigurat, also.. |
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| 08:46.28 | jml2 | zigurat, if you happen to know, the "mandb" is scheduled after a certain time -- if you just installed a package, the manpage cache is not updated right away -- to speedy this up a little, you can type "mandb" as root, and the new manpages will then be available right away |
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| 10:17.24 | cHawk | I am getting a dell precision laptop/workstation. It comes with hybrid graphics and I can choose between AMD Fire Pro or Nvidia Optimus. Hardware performance aside, which one should I get to have less headache? |
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| 10:17.50 | cHawk | Sorry, Nvidia Quattro is the correct name of the Graphics Card |
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| 10:29.27 | ksx4system | cHawk: I would pick AMD and not the Quadro |
| 10:29.38 | cHawk | ksx4system, why? |
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| 10:30.11 | ksx4system | because there's some chance it'll work on open source drivers |
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| 10:30.42 | ksx4system | (but I'm not sure if hybrid graphics support open source drivers) |
| 10:30.54 | cHawk | ksx4system, even it being a second card and only used for specific programs linke nvidia-bumblebee? |
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| 10:31.37 | ksx4system | cHawk: I don't know :( |
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| 10:32.09 | ksx4system | anyway, for single or dual (but not hybrid, just two graphics units at once) I always pick AMD |
| 10:32.12 | H4ndy | Does anyone has a *nice* explaination of the new systemd startup files, how they are constructed and what to check? |
| 10:32.23 | H4ndy | I only find those highly technical documents |
| 10:32.38 | H4ndy | or "copy this and be good" things |
| 10:33.02 | ksx4system | H4ndy: ...and you've probably found that it's completely broken :) it might be easier (and it'll surely be better) to migrate back to sysvinit |
| 10:33.58 | H4ndy | not really, I kinda like systemd, the old init.d scripts are not the holy grail either |
| 10:34.26 | H4ndy | problem about getting some good info on it is that those two system are so horribly biased by their users :( |
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| 10:35.09 | cHawk | H4ndy, systemd is trying to do everything and that's b asically not what linux is all about. Linux is about every tool doing one job best |
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| 10:35.25 | ksx4system | H4ndy: it is biased because some people (users of sysvinit or anything sane) just don't want malware on their systems and some people just don't care |
| 10:35.30 | cHawk | H4ndy, that principle splits systemd people from the rest |
| 10:35.37 | cHawk | hahaha :D |
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| 10:36.07 | ksx4system | H4ndy: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation this might help you if you'll decide to remove malware :) |
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| 11:31.03 | Nitori | oh, alpha5 is just some sort of version? |
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| 11:31.37 | jkt | hi there; I'm using an arm chroot on an amd64 jessie for installing various packages while preparing an image for beaglebone black. I've noticed that some packages really want to perform various actions, for example php5-fpm |
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| 11:31.56 | jkt | "Restarting PHP5 FastCGI Process Manager: php5-fpm/sbin/start-stop-daemon: nothing in /proc - not mounted?" |
| 11:32.20 | jkt | is there a systemwide override for this? "please install that package, but don't attempt to start it" |
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| 11:34.56 | jkt | jelly: thanks; I'm coming from RHEL which is apparently different in this context; thanks for a helpful link! |
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| 11:52.32 | _KaszpiR_ | E: Failed to fetch http://cloudfront.debian.net/debian/pool/main/g/golang/golang-go_1.0.2-1.1_amd64.deb: 504 Gateway Time-out [IP: 54.240.176.34 80] |
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| 12:27.39 | cauliflooower | Hi |
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| 12:28.01 | cauliflooower | What's good about Debian Sid besides you get the latest packages? |
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| 12:29.37 | altyr | you can help bugtesting |
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| 12:34.03 | cauliflooower | altyr, Other than that? |
| 12:34.17 | cauliflooower | altyr, I've only used Sid for a while. |
| 12:34.30 | cauliflooower | Well it was for the purpose of testing out Freedombox |
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| 12:34.50 | cauliflooower | But that only lasted like half a day. Got frustrated lol. |
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| 12:35.05 | cauliflooower | But I noticed like all of what I was using was latest |
| 12:35.35 | cauliflooower | Does Debian Sid contain proprietary parts or software by default? |
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| 12:35.47 | cauliflooower | Does Sid crash too? |
| 12:35.49 | cauliflooower | Like a lot? |
| 12:35.52 | petn-randall | cauliflooower: Only if you enable it, it's the same as stable. |
| 12:36.01 | cauliflooower | AH |
| 12:36.03 | shann__ | Hi, my source package containt hyphen (1.3.2-81), what is best convention for package naming with this ? |
| 12:36.15 | cauliflooower | petan, Would you say it's perfect for home users? |
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| 12:36.31 | cauliflooower | Damn I was using stable for a long time, not knowing that stable is perfect for servers lol. |
| 12:36.47 | cauliflooower | So that's why I left stable and went to other distros haha |
| 12:36.52 | altyr | cauliflooower: if you want the new packages without using sid just use testing |
| 12:37.04 | petn-randall | cauliflooower: Everything in sid is pretty much has only been tested very little, so you get all the bugs to report. |
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| 12:37.12 | cauliflooower | petan, Ah |
| 12:37.17 | cauliflooower | Ah |
| 12:37.18 | petn-randall | cauliflooower: petn<tab> |
| 12:37.22 | cauliflooower | Hehe |
| 12:37.25 | teraflops | Heh |
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| 12:37.46 | cauliflooower | With testing, you get not really the latest packages but it's been tested? |
| 12:37.55 | cauliflooower | Also, testing is the next stable right? |
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| 12:38.45 | petn-randall | cauliflooower: Testing will become the next stable. It roughly lags 5 days behind sid at the moment. |
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| 12:38.52 | cauliflooower | Ah |
| 12:38.59 | cauliflooower | Not too bad. |
| 12:39.19 | petn-randall | cauliflooower: At some point there will be a freeze, where no new packages are introduced from sid. Then after several months all the bugs are kinked out and it becomes stable. |
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| 12:40.02 | cauliflooower | Ah |
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| 12:40.33 | cauliflooower | Got it |
| 12:40.36 | cauliflooower | Thanks for that info! |
| 12:41.49 | dewp | hey guys. i installed stretch on my old dell e6500 and try to install network. the device fka eth0 enp0s25 is in ifconfig. do i have to set it up in /network/interfaces or do i have to use eth0 here? |
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| 12:44.00 | teraflops | Enp0s25 obviously |
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| 12:44.25 | petn-randall | dewp: support for testing is in #debian-next on OFTC. |
| 12:44.27 | dewp | ok. then my mistake is somewhere else because neither is doing what i want :) |
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| 12:47.21 | teraflops | dewp: wait. I misread you say you have eth0 and enp0s25? Also fka is a typo? |
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| 12:48.14 | dewp | no :) i only have enp0s25. it was formerly known as (=fka) eth0 |
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| 12:48.28 | dewp | on my device at least |
| 12:48.55 | kolibri | Hello. I'm using a preseed.cfg file for an unattended debian 8.4 installation (with packer). Sometimes (it feels like the half of the builds), the installation process fails at the step "select and install software". And I got no idea, why. This is my preseed.cfg file: https://gist.github.com/slde-rorschach/b7b1b3c3493445dbbf8858aaf0fc76dd |
| 12:49.04 | dewp | but now i just recognized it's missing dns - ping to the router works |
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| 12:49.49 | dewp | i'll get this when reading the manual i think |
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| 12:50.08 | teraflops | dewp: if you can ping e.g 8.8.8.8 look at /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 12:50.40 | dewp | ah. there we go. it's empty :) |
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| 12:50.43 | dewp | thanks! |
| 12:50.48 | teraflops | Np |
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| 13:06.32 | dewp | you guys are working too hard. stretch works flawlessly :-) |
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| 13:27.22 | Grant_P | How do i make systemd run a service as root? |
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| 13:28.17 | placko | I want to learn to program android application. Are there development tools in debian to compile android app? |
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| 13:32.47 | abrotman | placko: Not in Debian I don't think, other than IDEs |
| 13:32.59 | abrotman | placko: such as Android Studio or whatever it's called isn't in Debian that I recall |
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| 13:39.54 | devster31 | hi, any way to read dhcp information my router is sending out? |
| 13:41.38 | rozie | devster31: what information do you look for? |
| 13:41.47 | rozie | in general: any sniffer will be OK |
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| 13:43.16 | kolibri_ | Heyylo. I got more information on my failing unattended install of debian 8.4: Ist fails at the "cleanup" step of "select and install software". Log says,: "failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxml-sax-expat-perl/libxml-sax-expat-perl_0.40-2_all.deb" it only happens sometimes (1 of 3 or 4 builds). Any ideas, how to fix this? |
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| 13:45.30 | rozie | kolibri_: it may be failing repository you are redirected to |
| 13:45.55 | rozie | try to use manually selected mirror, not httpredir |
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| 13:48.33 | kolibri_ | Thanks rozie. I'll try this. (To be sure, I do this with the `d-i mirror/http/hostname` statement in the preseed.cfg?) |
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| 13:52.25 | devster31 | rozie: I'm not an expert in this thing and I want to understand it better, in particular I want to know which DNS servers are sent in the dhcp packet and if the client broadcasts its hostname |
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| 14:02.53 | r0ck_ | on debian standard install GNOME classic = gnome2 or gnome 3? |
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| 14:03.31 | babilen | r0ck_: Gnome 2 has been deprecated for quite a while and is not available in current distributions |
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| 14:04.39 | r0ck_ | babilen: so when I login choosing gnome classic its just same gnome3, but different look? |
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| 14:06.30 | babilen | yea |
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| 14:06.57 | r0ck_ | okay |
| 14:07.00 | r0ck_ | thanks! |
| 14:07.07 | r0ck_ | is there a way to add programs to upper panel? |
| 14:07.12 | r0ck_ | shortcuts I mean? |
| 14:07.18 | r0ck_ | on gnome classic or gnome3? |
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| 14:27.54 | rmrfchik | hi, suddenly can't mount usb disk with "You are not physically logged in and your system administrator does not allow remote users to run pmount, aborting". |
| 14:28.00 | rmrfchik | and yes, I'm logged |
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| 14:29.51 | rozie | devster31: dump to file with tshark/tcpdump, use wireshark to view |
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| 14:31.33 | wewlad | hello debs, I can't login to my DE after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some other changes that might have broken, but as far as I know I did undo those changes but the problem persists), please help a newb |
| 14:31.45 | devster31 | ok, but I need to renew leases and listen during that timeframe right? also does wireshark work as a cli utility? rozie |
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| 14:35.26 | dagerik | why am I unable to install aspell-no |
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| 14:38.45 | jelly | dpkg, tell dagerik about basic apt troubleshooting |
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| 14:40.48 | wewlad | hello debs, I can't login to my DE after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some other changes that might have broken, but as far as I know I did undo those changes but the problem persists), please help a newb |
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| 14:42.26 | martaroza | Hi, i buy this device http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB182OpIFXXXXalXFXXq6xXFXXXe/Usb-placa-de-som-7-1-canais-de-áudio-3D-placa-de-som-adaptador-de-microfone.jpg but not work in debian, in usb the id is Bus 003 Device 013: ID 1b3f:2007 Generalplus Technology Inc. Ho solve this? |
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| 14:44.40 | TomTomTosch | wewlad: posting /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be helpful. also, which graphics driver do you use? |
| 14:44.41 | dagerik | sudo apt-get install aspell-no |
| 14:44.41 | dagerik | Package aspell-no is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 14:44.52 | dagerik | im on testing |
| 14:46.01 | martaroza | Hi, anyone? |
| 14:46.19 | martaroza | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.23 | ksk | hello martaroza, dont ask to ask, kust ask your question :) |
| 14:46.39 | martaroza | my question is: i buy this device http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB182OpIFXXXXalXFXXq6xXFXXXe/Usb-placa-de-som-7-1-canais-de-áudio-3D-placa-de-som-adaptador-de-microfone.jpg but not work in debian, in usb the id is Bus 003 Device 013: ID 1b3f:2007 Generalplus Technology Inc. Ho solve this? |
| 14:46.44 | themill | dagerik: the package is not in testing at the moment |
| 14:46.57 | wewlad | TomTomTosch: that's a VM in virtualbox, so I'm not sure about the graphics, as for Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/432917/ |
| 14:47.00 | jelly | martaroza: do you see an usb audio device in "aplay -l" output? |
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| 14:48.41 | martaroza | jelly: http://pastebin.com/gFrh6RuE |
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| 14:49.21 | martaroza | http://pastebin.com/raw/gFrh6RuE |
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| 14:50.30 | martaroza | probably not see |
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| 14:51.54 | wewlad | martaroza: once on this channel I was advised not to you pastebin.com, but to use paste.debian.net or alike, because they don't inject crap and don't limit access to users |
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| 14:52.57 | stantona | I'm curious, what does the bpo70+1 mean in: #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4~bpo70+1 (2016-03-07)? |
| 14:53.07 | stantona | I'm assuming it's related to backports, but what exactly does it mean? |
| 14:53.39 | martaroza | wewlad: https://paste.debian.net/plain/432919 |
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| 14:55.53 | ksk | stantona: that this kernel comes from backports, the rest ist just version scheme definde $somewhere |
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| 14:56.32 | ksk | IIRC "debian only" changes, like changes that dont "come from upstream" will get a +$(something) version |
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| 14:57.29 | ksk | does not look too official, but best docs I found right now: http://www.fifi.org/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/ch-versions.html @ stantona |
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| 14:58.55 | abrotman | dpkg: compare versions |
| 14:58.55 | dpkg | The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as «dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true». See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields#s-f-Version , <version epoch>, <debian revision>. |
| 14:59.27 | ksk | martaroza: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html heres the official one, scroll down to "5.6.12 Version" |
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| 15:04.17 | jelly | martaroza: third audio card looks like an usb audio device. |
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| 15:04.29 | wewlad | martaroza: why do you 'sudo su'? why not just 'su'? |
| 15:05.05 | jelly | martaroza: at this point you need to configure your recording application to choose the correct audio card and the correct input source (microphone on that specific card) |
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| 15:06.38 | wewlad | hello debs, I can't login to my DE after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some other changes that might have broken, but as far as I know I did undo those changes but the problem persists), please help a newb. Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/432917/ |
| 15:06.48 | wewlad | jelly, please, help |
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| 15:07.58 | jelly | sorry, no time Toulouse right now |
| 15:08.16 | wewlad | :'-( |
| 15:09.03 | bshacklett | Is there any way to get more verbose output on what's happening when a package is being removed? I'm trying to purge a package and it just hangs until I kill the dpkg process. |
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| 15:18.29 | wewlad | hello debs, I can't login to my DE using my user after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some other changes that might have broken, but as far as I know I did undo those changes but the problem persists), please help a newb. Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/432917/ Extra info: turns out I can login into KDE using root just fine |
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| 15:35.55 | cluelessperson | Question, how do you access the system wide crontab? |
| 15:36.04 | cluelessperson | sudo crontab -e doesn't do it. |
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| 15:36.12 | greycat | /etc/crontab exists, and root *also* has a personal crontab |
| 15:36.29 | cluelessperson | greycat, that's confusing. |
| 15:36.36 | greycat | I didn't choose it. |
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| 15:36.46 | cluelessperson | greycat, Thanks :) |
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| 15:36.54 | wewlad | should there be a ~/.bashrc file? |
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| 15:37.07 | wewlad | seems like it doesn't get recreated after I removed it |
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| 15:37.14 | greycat | Generally, yes. It's created if you use "adduser", from the template in /etc/skel/. |
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| 15:37.27 | greycat | Um, if you removed it, then no, it wouldn't be re-created. |
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| 15:40.37 | wewlad | thanks, did so but that didn't solve the problem |
| 15:40.50 | greycat | What problem? Did what? |
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| 15:41.46 | wewlad | hello debs, I can't login to my DE using my user after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some other changes that might have broken, but as far as I know I did undo those changes but the problem persists), please help a newb. Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/432917/ Extra info: turns out I can login into KDE using root just fine |
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| 15:42.01 | wewlad | just some more info: I got into that trouble after doing 3 things: 1. I tried to add ssh-agent to autorun [failed to do that because someone advised to use .systemd for that and I just failed to make it work] 2. I tuned .bashrc, but since I wanted to tune it once for all users - I might have removed local copy of .bashrc, 3. I did apt-get upgrade |
| 15:42.48 | greycat | Well, for starters, .bashrc has absolutely nothing to do with KDE startup. |
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| 15:43.01 | wewlad | seems so |
| 15:43.04 | greycat | Logging in via kdm into a KDE session doesn't read or even check for the existence of .bashrc. |
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| 15:43.30 | wewlad | still was worth checking, since I don't have any other ideas |
| 15:43.30 | greycat | Or any other shell startup file (/etc/profile, .bash_profile, and so on). |
| 15:44.10 | greycat | If you wanted the equivalent of "get my old config out of the way" you'd need to look for something like ~/.kde (I don't know the exact names) |
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| 15:44.28 | greycat | You can also test with a brand new account, freshly created for testing. |
| 15:44.31 | wewlad | that's not the issue I'd like to solve now |
| 15:44.41 | wewlad | for now I'd like to make logging into kde work |
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| 15:48.17 | wewlad | greycat: logging via new user worked |
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| 15:48.25 | wewlad | as well as it works using root user |
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| 15:48.52 | greycat | Then that does point toward something screwy in your KDE config. |
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| 15:49.20 | greycat | I don't know where that is stored, exactly. Could be a file or dir beginning with .k or it could be in ~/.config/ or ... |
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| 15:51.06 | ChrisWi | seeing this in my syslog 'iscsi_trgt: scsi_cmnd_start(949) 39000060 0' ... any idea if this is bad ? |
| 15:51.06 | wewlad | stupid terminal in debian - I can't scroll it up :/ |
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| 15:53.39 | wewlad | (process:2788): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work properly. |
| 15:53.42 | wewlad | what does it mean? |
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| 15:55.39 | greycat | If you get that for ALL users, it probably means you need to reboot into the correct kernel... if it's just you, it means time to start ls -l'ing or something and find out what's wrong. |
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| 16:02.36 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisWi: That could just be informational. I like to have smartmontools installed and enabled, it gives you good warnings if there are disk problems. |
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| 16:03.16 | jhutchins_wk | wewlad: It probably means you've done something as root in your GUI. |
| 16:03.38 | jhutchins_wk | wewlad: The permissions on parts of your account are messed up. |
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| 16:03.49 | jhutchins_wk | s/permissions/ownership/ |
| 16:04.20 | wewlad | okay, so I did this: https://i.imgur.com/P5dixTJ.png |
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| 16:04.41 | wewlad | why did I get those errors? |
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| 16:04.46 | RoyK | dangling symlinks |
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| 16:04.53 | wewlad | >:[ |
| 16:05.09 | RoyK | nothing to worry about - just remove them |
| 16:05.26 | ChrisWi | jhutchins_wk: these messages came up (on my old squeeze box) while adding wheezy iscsi targets ... after removing them the messages are gone ... BTW smartmon is installed and everything is fine with disks |
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| 16:08.36 | wewlad | so I removed those symlinks, everything in /home/uzer is owned by that user now, but I still can't log in to kde |
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| 16:09.32 | wewlad | greycat: where else do I need to check ownership/mod? |
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| 16:10.40 | greycat | I don't know this dconf and KDE stuff. If you can't figure it out by poking around in /run then maybe consider rebooting. /run is a volatile thing. |
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| 16:15.28 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisWi: Ah, I missed the i in iscsi. |
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| 16:16.09 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisWi: Pretty sure that message is informational. Is the mount working? |
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| 16:17.21 | NotJimCa1rey | in Makefile, what's the difference between $(prefix) and ${prefix} ? |
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| 16:17.37 | NotJimCa1rey | if any |
| 16:17.38 | greycat | $(prefix) is expanded by make, and ${prefix} is passed along to a shell |
| 16:17.46 | greycat | I think. |
| 16:17.52 | greycat | Ask ##workingset to be sure. |
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| 16:19.24 | zz | Hi, whats the best way to update kernel? |
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| 16:19.52 | greycat | Why do you believe you need to update your kernel? |
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| 16:20.30 | zz | I would like to install docker, but I need kernal 3.10 minimum |
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| 16:20.46 | greycat | Jessie has higher than that. Make sure you are on the latest release of Debian (jessie, Debian 8). |
| 16:20.55 | NotJimCa1rey | easiest way? apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:21.18 | greycat | There's a bit more to it than that. |
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| 16:22.14 | zz | I have debian 8 |
| 16:22.21 | greycat | zz: what does uname -a say? |
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| 16:22.41 | zz | Linux carbon 2.6.32-042stab104.1 #1 SMP Thu Jan 29 12:58:41 MSK 2015 x86_64 GNU/ |
| 16:22.50 | greycat | Oh, you're in an OpenVZ VPS container. |
| 16:22.50 | NotJimCa1rey | greycat: making some modifications, and was told to change $(prefix)/var , but in the original, it's shown using {} |
| 16:22.58 | NotJimCa1rey | but did ask in ##workingset |
| 16:23.01 | greycat | You can't update your kernel because it's out of your control entirely. |
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| 16:23.04 | NotJimCa1rey | waiting for response |
| 16:23.05 | NotJimCa1rey | thanks |
| 16:23.09 | zz | oh, is it |
| 16:23.10 | zz | damn |
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| 16:23.36 | greycat | I also seriously doubt you can run a container thingy inside an OpenVZ container, but hey, what do I know about this stuff... nothing. |
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| 16:24.26 | Dexxtver | hello |
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| 16:24.39 | Dexxtver | so i have a vps |
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| 16:25.21 | Dexxtver | and i would like to encrypt whole hdd and make a trigger that will shutdown the machine if provider of that vps will make any kind of thing locally (physically) with vm |
| 16:25.25 | Dexxtver | is it possible? |
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| 16:27.39 | wewlad | no |
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| 16:28.22 | Dexxtver | so there is a way to not trigger even a keyboard or mouse movement and automatically shutdown the vm? |
| 16:28.36 | wewlad | maximum you can do is use zfs |
| 16:28.47 | Dexxtver | zfs? what would it give me? |
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| 16:29.00 | wewlad | encryption of your file system |
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| 16:29.03 | Dexxtver | i need to prevent anyone to view plain text files on that machine |
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| 16:29.23 | Dexxtver | i can encrypt whole hdd with debian tools on ext4 |
| 16:29.30 | wewlad | ok |
| 16:29.40 | Dexxtver | dm crypt or luks |
| 16:29.45 | wewlad | sorry, I'm a newb, wait until someone else replies |
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| 16:30.00 | Dexxtver | 'but i need that trigger thing to shutdown the system to ensure that admin won't get to it |
| 16:30.17 | Dexxtver | after the shutdown i will reinstall everything |
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| 16:33.27 | ChrisWi | jhutchins_wk: yes ... the mount is working ... so you don't think these message are cause by problems ... background: I want to migrate all storage which is currently on squeeze to wheezy ... |
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| 16:33.36 | ijafin3 | CHEAP DOMAINS CHEAP SERVERS DDOS PROTECTION www.kangadomains.net $19 for .com domain |
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| 16:45.59 | chele | Hi guys,why would be the reason about this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ed3f57e9/ |
| 16:46.20 | chele | im trying to create dvd to iso |
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| 16:47.55 | thurstylark | chele: can you mount that to a different dir? /mnt or something you create? |
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| 16:48.38 | chele | thurstylark: no |
| 16:48.51 | chele | same answer as in the paste |
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| 16:49.32 | b0s3d | hi, how do i add an entering ip and a exiting ip, ssh > ISP ip > VPN ip |
| 16:49.46 | b0s3d | can you call it a backdoor for hippies? |
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| 16:52.34 | bumbar | my virtualbox with debian as guest crashed, and now weird stuff is happening; when i try to open a file in python or run apt-get update i get "read only file system" error, and i can't change terminal size or preferences |
| 16:52.43 | bumbar | is there a way to fix this without reinstalling? |
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| 16:53.57 | gnoman | bumbar: Did you check your fstab? |
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| 16:54.35 | gnoman | bumbar: Debian netinst has a rescue mode; you could chroot into your system and try... |
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| 16:56.37 | bumbar | gnoman, fstab looks ok from what i can tell |
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| 16:57.27 | greycat | Without knowing any details, "read-only after a crash" often means some file system needs an fsck. |
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| 16:58.04 | gnoman | greycat: Doesn't systemd do fsck on boot? |
| 16:58.16 | greycat | One would expect so, but.... |
| 16:59.00 | gnoman | It does on my netbook with 8.4, but it's btrfs and not ext2/3/4... |
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| 16:59.22 | greycat | If one of your file systems is mounted RO, fsck it. |
| 16:59.31 | greycat | Then probably reboot just for good measure. |
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| 17:00.33 | wewlad | what's this? https://i.imgur.com/BvPqv3O.png |
| 17:00.56 | gnoman | bumbar: netinst rescue mode helped me many times in such situation... You might try it out... |
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| 17:08.26 | wewlad | who and when usually creates a home dir for a new user? |
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| 17:08.45 | wewlad | I just did useradd newuser and it didn't create a home dir for that user |
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| 17:09.02 | abrotman | pelase use adduser like a sane person |
| 17:09.05 | greycat | I bet you mis-remember, and you accidentally did useradd instead. |
| 17:09.05 | abrotman | please also |
| 17:09.26 | greycat | Oh. He did type useradd in the question. Sorry. |
| 17:09.52 | greycat | 11:37 greycat> Generally, yes. It's created if you use "adduser", from the template in /etc/skel/. |
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| 17:10.02 | greycat | That was to wewlad, wasn't it? |
| 17:10.39 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:10.53 | gnoman | useradd -d HOME_DIR |
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| 17:11.07 | greycat | adduser |
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| 17:11.19 | abrotman | just use adduser like a sane person! |
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| 17:11.45 | bumbar | greycat, i'm trying that now. it's asking me for root file system but i'm not sure where i installed it |
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| 17:12.19 | greycat | ...? |
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| 17:12.32 | greycat | Use "mount" to see what is mounted, and which of those are read-only and shouldn't be. |
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| 17:14.15 | gnoman | Add an lsblk to that to get device node |
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| 17:15.26 | greycat | mount shows the device. "/dev/sda2 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)" |
| 17:15.49 | gnoman | OK... |
| 17:15.52 | greycat | you might even want something like mount | grep ^/dev to filter out the non-devices |
| 17:16.13 | grawity | findmnt! |
| 17:16.24 | grawity | greycat: I guess the comment might have been about systems where it shows "/dev/root on /" |
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| 17:19.10 | bumbar_ | says /dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered) |
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| 17:19.49 | greycat | I don't understand why it doesn't have errors=remount-ro, but other than that, that looks reasonable |
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| 17:20.20 | greycat | The (rw at the front means it's currently mounted read-write. |
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| 17:27.45 | ebinebin | grawity, y u no like me? :c |
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| 17:28.23 | ebinebin | Also! Anyone have ANY LUCK getting Validity Sensors fingerprint scanner working with Linux? |
| 17:28.42 | ebinebin | Anyone have ANY LUCK getting Validity Sensors fingerprint scanner working with Linux? |
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| 17:28.53 | wewlad | how to run some gui file manager (like dolphin) with root privileges and how to make file operations in it not modify mod/owner? |
| 17:29.06 | ebinebin | wewlad, one or the other. |
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| 17:29.14 | ebinebin | wewlad, launch it with Sudo |
| 17:29.23 | ebinebin | or be the root user when you do |
| 17:29.36 | RoyK | (or just use the commandline) |
| 17:29.40 | wewlad | :( |
| 17:29.43 | wewlad | ok, thx |
| 17:29.44 | ebinebin | grawity, Any luck with fingerprint sensors in linux? |
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| 17:30.05 | ebinebin | Bus 003 Device 003: ID 138a:003c Validity Sensors, Inc. VFS471 Fingerprint Reader |
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| 17:30.33 | grawity | I don't have any of those on my laptops |
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| 17:31.12 | ebinebin | boo :( |
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| 17:31.21 | ebinebin | grawity, also why don't you want me swearing at your bot :p |
| 17:31.28 | ebinebin | ALSO! How did you get a cluenet shell?! |
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| 17:31.47 | ebinebin | I thought only people employed by the wikimedia foundation got those |
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| 17:31.58 | grawity | no, it's not a wikimedia project |
| 17:32.05 | ebinebin | oh |
| 17:32.13 | grawity | unlike the (now-defunct) Toolserver |
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| 17:32.17 | ebinebin | grawity, but no swearing at bots? :( |
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| 17:34.24 | ebinebin | grawity, fuck. |
| 17:34.30 | ebinebin | There is a driver but for OpenSuse |
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| 17:38.19 | ebinebin | So |
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| 17:39.02 | wewlad | how to copy files properly in the following case? I need to ignore all links (symlinks, hardlinks, whateverlinks) and I need to preserve maximum attributes (timestamps, permissions and owner). I tried to 'man cp' and got confused, I tried to google 'man cp' and got some childporn |
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| 17:39.26 | ebinebin | wewlad, you might want to purge your machine now. |
| 17:39.27 | greycat | wewlad: you should be starting with rsync, not cp |
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| 17:39.44 | greycat | Why would you google "man cp" instead of just typing "man cp"? |
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| 17:39.57 | greycat | (or, as I suggested, "man rsync") |
| 17:39.59 | ericandrewlewis | If I'm dual booting osx and debian, is GRUB required to bootload debian? |
| 17:40.13 | wewlad | greycat: <…I tried to 'man cp' and got confused,…> |
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| 17:40.48 | ebinebin | ericandrewlewis, yes |
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| 17:41.02 | ebinebin | As it turns out my sensor might be able to be fudged into working with Linux |
| 17:41.05 | ebinebin | a lot of fudging |
| 17:41.06 | greycat | Completely ignoring all symlinks is a strange thing to want to do, but ... meh. Ask #rsync if you can't find an option for it in the man page. |
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| 17:42.04 | wewlad | oh cheezuschrist, rsync's man is even more confusing |
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| 17:42.29 | grawity | what do you mean by "ignore all links" by the way |
| 17:42.37 | grawity | do you want them to not appear on the destination *at all* |
| 17:42.46 | grawity | or do you want rsync to create identical symlinks on the destination |
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| 17:42.52 | wewlad | not create at all |
| 17:42.53 | grawity | or do you want rsync to copy them as plain files? |
| 17:42.55 | ericandrewlewis | does GRUB work well as a boot manager for osx? |
| 17:42.57 | greycat | If no existing tool has an option to skip all symlinks, you can probably duct tape something together with find . ! -type l ... |
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| 17:43.22 | wewlad | I wish there were no links, since there's no visual representation of what file is a link and what is not |
| 17:43.30 | greycat | What are you TALKING ABOUT? |
| 17:43.34 | somiaj | ericandrewlewis: it can, but with efi you don't really need a boot manager. |
| 17:43.40 | bazhang | wewlad, here too? |
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| 17:43.43 | grawity | there *is* a very distinct represenation of symlinks... |
| 17:43.44 | greycat | Why do you not want to simply DUPLICATE the entire hierarchy as is? |
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| 17:43.52 | grawity | and a less-noticeable one of hardlinks |
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| 17:44.00 | greycat | Hell, fuck it. rsync -a, and then remove all symlinks with a find command. DONE! |
| 17:44.02 | ericandrewlewis | somiaj: why wouldn't I need a boot manager? |
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| 17:44.13 | wewlad | greycat: because that reproduces the problem |
| 17:44.18 | greycat | What problem? |
| 17:44.37 | wewlad | the one I initially came here with and on which you said 'I don't have time to waste now' |
| 17:44.37 | somiaj | ericandrewlewis: efi can boot different oses directly. So you just need the .efi file for each os you want to boot and not need an additional boot manager (at least with the efi impleminations I'm use to using) |
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| 17:45.18 | somiaj | ericandrewlewis: i.e. you can have grub for debian and osX efi boot files seperate and not have to chain load anymore (though I'm unsure if macs let you have this much control over efi, some require you use BOOT64.efi as the only efi file, in that case you'll probabaly have to use grub |
| 17:45.35 | bazhang | wewlad, how many channels have you hit this with so far |
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| 17:45.47 | wewlad | bazhang: two |
| 17:45.53 | somiaj | ericandrewlewis: many still use grub and grub will work fine, just saying that efi can take a role of the bootmanager in a dual boot system (provided it is full efi, macs seem to sometimes do their own thing) |
| 17:45.55 | wewlad | since the problem is in between kde and debian |
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| 17:46.17 | wewlad | bazhang: by the way, are you chinese? |
| 17:46.19 | bazhang | no its not |
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| 17:46.28 | wewlad | ok |
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| 17:46.40 | greycat | Wait. WHAT?! He is trying to duplicate a hierarchy but strip out symlinks to FIX A KDE LOGIN ISSUE?! |
| 17:46.50 | wewlad | yes |
| 17:46.55 | bazhang | it's about not paying attention to what others are saying |
| 17:47.05 | greycat | Instead of just finding the kde configs and moving them out of the way? |
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| 17:47.23 | ericandrewlewis | somiaj: that's good to know. So how would you choose which OS to boot when using EFI-based boot management? |
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| 17:47.53 | grawity | EFI firmware are supposed to have a boot menu much like grub's |
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| 17:48.08 | wewlad | greycat: who said the problem is just in kde configs? |
| 17:48.09 | grawity | unfortunately, editing the kernel command line is a pain in the ass in most of them |
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| 17:48.23 | grawity | so you might still want grub or systemd-boot for that feature |
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| 17:48.51 | greycat | wewlad: If you move the kde config dir/file/whatever aside and that fixes the problem, then you win. If it doesn't fix the problem, then you have more information about where the problem is(n't). |
| 17:49.03 | wewlad | greycat: what if it doesn't? |
| 17:49.06 | greycat | And it costs you very little time to try it. |
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| 17:49.23 | wewlad | then what? another snapshot reload and starting the whole process again? |
| 17:49.36 | wewlad | screw that, I'm tired of that already, I just want my important files |
| 17:49.37 | greycat | Snapshot? What? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? |
| 17:49.39 | ericandrewlewis | I also read from the rEFInd maintainer "Apple ignores or subverts large parts of the EFI specification on its Intel Macintoshes" http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/efi-boot-process.html#Apple |
| 17:49.55 | wewlad | you never heard of snapshots? |
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| 17:50.02 | ericandrewlewis | "The EFI System Partition is empty and unused, and the EFI boot manager is obscured by an Apple boot loader that is executed before it" |
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| 17:50.06 | greycat | You're the KDE user, not me. You should know where the fucking kde configs are. mv it to some other name and try to login . |
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| 17:50.19 | greycat | Why are you making everything so fucking hard? |
| 17:50.29 | wewlad | greycat: who said that removing just kde configs will solve the issue? |
| 17:50.36 | greycat | TRY IT AND FIND OUT |
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| 17:51.02 | greycat | I didn't say "remove". I said "move". So you can easily move it back after the test. |
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| 17:51.31 | wewlad | I don't need them anyways |
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| 17:51.40 | wewlad | I just think that the reason is elsewhere |
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| 17:51.59 | wewlad | since linux is a blackbox for me, there's a lot of cram in my home dir that I didn't create |
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| 17:52.35 | wewlad | like what the fuck is .dbus? not that I'd like to know but it's sitting there and error logs said that DBUS didn't start when I had the problem |
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| 17:53.28 | greycat | Did you track down the errors in /var/run/whatever/user/1000 that you reported earlier? Did you fix those? |
| 17:53.36 | wewlad | it's easier to save (by moving them to the new user's home dir) the files I know, rather than all that crap without .kde part of it |
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| 17:54.01 | wewlad | greycat: how would I track them down? what am, a linus motherfucking torwards? |
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| 17:54.21 | bazhang | wewlad, you are not paying attention, and just guessing what to do |
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| 17:54.38 | wewlad | I just removed the old user, moved it's home dir and created a new user with the same name and it solved the problem |
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| 17:54.49 | greycat | 11:55 greycat> If you get that for ALL users, it probably means you need to reboot into the correct kernel... if it's just you, it means time to start ls -l'ing or something and find out what's wrong. |
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| 17:55.17 | wewlad | greycat: it was just for that user |
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| 17:55.34 | greycat | 12:10 greycat> I don't know this dconf and KDE stuff. If you can't figure it out by poking around in /run then maybe consider rebooting. /run is a volatile thing. |
| 17:55.47 | wewlad | I did tell you that I chowned the whole content of user's home dir to make sure that user owns everything there |
| 17:55.50 | wewlad | and that didn't help |
| 17:56.08 | greycat | Well, that's good, because why the fuck was that not already the case, but I was talking about /var/run. |
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| 17:56.27 | wewlad | guys on #kde said that I might want to go on witch-hunting and ls -l everything, but that's just the rambo way and no sane person would do this |
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| 17:56.51 | wewlad | I don't know what /var/run is, I never touched it |
| 17:56.53 | greycat | You had an ACTUAL PATH in your error message@!\ |
| 17:57.02 | wewlad | so what? |
| 17:57.04 | greycat | What, god, why, who, what.. |
| 17:57.09 | greycat | START WITH THE FUCKING PATH IN THE ERROR |
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| 17:57.27 | polyzen | !rage |
| 17:57.33 | wewlad | it was '/run/user/1000/dconf/user' |
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| 17:57.36 | wewlad | not /var/run |
| 17:57.39 | greycat | 11:53 wewlad> (process:2788): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work properly. |
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| 17:57.57 | greycat | ls -ld /run/user/1000/dconf/user /run/user/1000/dconf /run/user/1000 |
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| 17:58.06 | wewlad | I didn't even treat it as a path in fs, I thought it's another some imagine crap filesystem like /proc/ |
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| 17:58.12 | greycat | IT IS! |
| 17:58.23 | greycat | That's why rebooting would be the stupid-but-easy fix!! |
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| 17:58.30 | grawity | which mostly translates "you ran KDE via sudo and your /run/user/1000 ended up being owned by root" |
| 17:58.30 | greycat | That's what I meant by "it's a volatile thing"! |
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| 17:59.04 | wewlad | greycat: so I ls -ld'ed it, it's -rw---------, wut next? |
| 17:59.12 | greycat | wewlad: Look at the OWNER. |
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| 17:59.17 | wewlad | uzer |
| 17:59.23 | wewlad | wut next? |
| 17:59.25 | greycat | For all three things I said to use? |
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| 17:59.47 | wewlad | hold on, I'll load the snapshot with the problem |
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| 17:59.52 | greycat | ... |
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| 18:00.12 | greycat | So, he lied when he said just now that it was 600 uzer. WONDERFUL. |
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| 18:00.26 | wewlad | no, I just removed old uzer and created new uzer |
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| 18:00.36 | wewlad | so maybe it affected those files |
| 18:00.38 | greycat | *headdesk* |
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| 18:00.52 | greycat | I give up. I'm just going to /ignore so I don't have a stroke. |
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| 18:01.01 | bazhang | full reinstall |
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| 18:01.08 | wewlad | wut? |
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| 18:01.18 | bazhang | who knows what else he/she has done |
| 18:01.21 | thurstylark | nuke and pave! |
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| 18:01.30 | wewlad | did I just lost all my fucking progress I did to fix the issue so that you'd ignore me on halfway? |
| 18:01.45 | bazhang | stop cursing wewlad |
| 18:02.03 | greycat | "Hey I got an error about permissions denied on /run/user/1000/dconf/user and someone told me to ls -l so I'll ... MAKE A SNAPSHOT AND DELETE THE USER AND ...." |
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| 18:04.10 | debUser1980 | greycat you got really titan-metal nerves :) |
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| 18:05.04 | debUser1980 | triple-facepalm.jpg |
| 18:05.10 | wewlad | wtf |
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| 18:05.35 | wewlad | that /run/user/1000 thing disappears after some period |
| 18:05.43 | wewlad | so I can't ls -ld it |
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| 18:06.36 | grawity | it disappears when user 1000 logs out |
| 18:06.51 | wewlad | no, it disappears after some time |
| 18:06.54 | wewlad | after the log out |
| 18:06.57 | wewlad | probably |
| 18:07.48 | wewlad | I can't login via DM, I logged in via terminal, but then there's no 'dconf' in …/1000/ |
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| 18:07.54 | wewlad | only systemd |
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| 18:08.35 | wewlad | so what there am I supposed to check permissions of? |
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| 18:09.27 | wewlad | greycat: hey |
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| 18:10.13 | teraflop | dpkg: ping |
| 18:10.13 | dpkg | Sorry teraflop, you're not online. |
| 18:10.18 | grawity | so log in via DM and *then* check /run |
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| 18:11.07 | wewlad | grawity: I can't do that fast enough |
| 18:11.32 | grawity | why |
| 18:11.36 | wewlad | as you may or may not know, the problem is that I can't login via DM: it logs me out |
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| 18:11.44 | wewlad | and that's the problem I'm trying to solve |
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| 18:11.46 | grawity | it doesn't log you out from the terminal though, or does it |
| 18:11.52 | wewlad | it doesn't |
| 18:12.07 | wewlad | but as I said - then there's no /1000/dconf/ |
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| 18:12.16 | wewlad | there's only 1000/systemd/ |
| 18:13.10 | grawity | so.... log in via terminal, log in via DM, go back to the terminal? |
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| 18:14.18 | wewlad | ok, this time I was quick enough and succeeded |
| 18:14.28 | wewlad | owner is correct, not sure about permissions |
| 18:14.36 | wewlad | since I don't know what correct permissions are |
| 18:14.42 | s4ndm4n | I am trying to do full disk encryption on UEFI system but I am getting "cryptsetup: WARNING: Invalid line in /etc/crypttab for sda2_crypt" |
| 18:15.17 | wewlad | grawity: 1000/dconf/ - drwx------; 1000/dconf/uzer - -rw------- |
| 18:15.38 | s4ndm4n | On /etc/crypttab, there is single entry which reads as "vg-root /dev/sda2 none luks" |
| 18:15.49 | grawity | there's no "quick enough" about it. it won't delete /run/user/1000 as long as it's logged in *anywhere* |
| 18:16.00 | grawity | and, well, the "rwx" nonsense is not the problem |
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| 18:16.15 | wewlad | grawity: it doesn't delete /run/user/1000, it deletes /run/user/1000/dconf |
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| 18:17.02 | wewlad | weird, this time it didn't delete |
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| 18:17.53 | dutchfish | hi, i have a problem with updating openssh with latest dsa fixes on stable. Somehow insserv is missing LSB tags overrides? see my output http://paste.debian.net/432945/ |
| 18:17.53 | wewlad | oh, maybe because I was logged in as uzer but then entered 'su' mode and in the last test I also logged in as uzer on another terminal |
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| 18:18.17 | wewlad | bazhang: hey, do you have anything helpful to tell now? |
| 18:18.21 | belak | Is there a channel to ask about debian packaging? I'm having some issues with debuild |
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| 18:19.27 | greycat | dutchfish: why are you asking aptitude to REMOVE insserv? |
| 18:19.53 | dutchfish | greycat, i assumed i dont need it, but apprently i was wrong |
| 18:20.05 | greycat | All I see is one "warning". Why not just let the safe-upgrade go? |
| 18:20.18 | dutchfish | greycat, as you can see i did |
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| 18:20.40 | greycat | Oh, it did go. I, uh, don't see an actual problem. |
| 18:21.14 | greycat | The warning is coming from the init script in the package "realtime", not even related to openssh. |
| 18:21.15 | dutchfish | greycat, well, whats wrong with that lsb warning, why do i need insserv anyway. It has been installed as dep |
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| 18:21.32 | dutchfish | greycat, ah ic |
| 18:21.36 | greycat | It's used by sysvinit (fallback for packages that are not updated for systemd yet). |
| 18:21.43 | wewlad | shouldn't have listened to the cat man and should've keep things as they were |
| 18:22.11 | dutchfish | greycat, thanks, i will delve into it |
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| 18:22.50 | bazhang | wewlad, there was nothing wrong that he offered |
| 18:23.24 | wewlad | bazhang: he did offer to do further investigation and halfway there he just ragequited from the conversation |
| 18:23.37 | bazhang | no he didnt |
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| 18:24.21 | bazhang | you were just not listening, and proposing/carrying out random operations with no connection whatsoever to your actual issue |
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| 18:24.58 | wewlad | bazhang: didn't he say that I need to ls -ld that /1000/ dir to check for correct owner/permissions? |
| 18:25.05 | bazhang | running things as root, changing ownership, without a single idea on what that would do |
| 18:25.21 | bazhang | no |
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| 18:25.32 | wewlad | then what did he tell me to do? |
| 18:25.44 | bazhang | 'a simple reboot will fix it' |
| 18:25.58 | wewlad | a simple reboot doesn't fix it, what's next? |
| 18:25.59 | bazhang | many many helpers said that exact thing |
| 18:26.03 | wewlad | a simple reboot doesn't fix it, what's next? |
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| 18:26.21 | wewlad | or do I need to repeat it many many times to get heard? |
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| 18:26.57 | mtn | wow |
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| 18:27.38 | RoyK | !ask | wewlad |
| 18:27.40 | bazhang | your actual issue, and the things you keep adding you did not even mention earlier, make it that your system is beyond salvage , entirely due to your own not listen/guess wild try approach |
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| 18:28.14 | wewlad | bazhang: I did mention EVERYTHING and you say I didn't, so who's not listening here, huh? |
| 18:28.25 | bazhang | no you did not |
| 18:28.52 | wewlad | I see, you are that kind of a guy that claims that white is black and black is white, that's not productive |
| 18:28.58 | bazhang | that you logged in as root, and oh wait you were also on as another user, that was near the very end |
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| 18:29.48 | bazhang | the tale had more twists than an agatha christie novel |
| 18:30.16 | wewlad | well, I did su because I'm not much familiar with permissions of dirs under / - they usually request root permissions to edit anything |
| 18:30.55 | wewlad | but anyways, I did check the owner of those dirs and files, it was a correct one, what else did greycat suggest? |
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| 18:31.19 | wewlad | !ask | RoyK |
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| 18:31.34 | AlexPortable | If I set shell to /bin/nologin, will this still run the cronjobs? |
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| 18:31.41 | bazhang | the system was beyond repair long before anyone here suggested anything |
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| 18:31.48 | greycat | AlexPortable: I believe it will, yes. |
| 18:31.50 | wewlad | bazhang: aahahah |
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| 18:31.53 | AlexPortable | oka ythanks |
| 18:32.30 | wewlad | so you say that graycat is so stupid that he thought the system could be fixed when it was not, oh wow |
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| 18:32.53 | bazhang | !ops | wewlad |
| 18:32.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | wewlad |
| 18:33.01 | wewlad | and how did I manage to fix the problem by creating a new uzer on the same system? |
| 18:33.25 | bazhang | stop the name calling and wasting time/cursing wewlad |
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| 18:33.52 | wewlad | stop writing me, your advises are useless |
| 18:33.57 | wewlad | advice* |
| 18:34.25 | wewlad | you didn't say a single productive thing to me today or ever |
| 18:34.30 | bazhang | you have ignored every single bit of advice, thus your wrecked system |
| 18:34.40 | wewlad | you lie as always |
| 18:34.57 | debUser1980 | troll :) |
| 18:35.13 | bazhang | or just not a good listener/reader |
| 18:35.20 | thurstylark | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:35.37 | wewlad | he's not a troll, he's just such a person that never helps but claims the opposite side "I've told you already, but you didn't listen" |
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| 18:36.49 | wewlad | when asked for details (like 'could you repeat what exactly you think I should do?') he just goes into full denial like 'bazhang: the system was beyond repair long before anyone here suggested anything' |
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| 18:39.32 | debUser1980 | wewlad: I do enjoyed your style, but you are the troll here. |
| 18:39.41 | debUser1980 | *did enjoy |
| 18:40.05 | jmcnaught | everyone we should just drop it. wewlad maybe it's time for a break. |
| 18:40.35 | debUser1980 | good coffee break, yeah. |
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| 18:46.22 | g00se | Slightly suprised to see that qemu is telling me that 'this kernel requires an X86-64 CPU ...' yet i am booting a 64 bit kernel with qemu installed on a 64 bit machine - what gives? |
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| 18:50.03 | maarhart | hi, please help me with this http://paste.debian.net/432952 |
| 18:50.04 | boodie | Hi (Stable): for some reason I'm unable to capture my voice when using Skype ... in fact I am not sure the microphone works at all (in other words ... is it a microphone or the wrong Pulseaudio settings)? Problem is it worked until the last time I used it, but Skype always gave me problems ... any idea? |
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| 18:50.44 | maarhart | I know it's not debian, but I guess it's basically the same. |
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| 18:51.58 | dontknow | maarhart, have you tried it after log out |
| 18:52.05 | dontknow | try that |
| 18:52.07 | devster31 | what's bsdmainutils package useful for on a server? |
| 18:52.17 | abrotman | devster31: what binaries are in it? |
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| 18:52.25 | wewlad | whatever |
| 18:53.02 | dutchfish | greycat, you are right, insserv's script realtime is a relique for sysv-rc, and isnt aware if it is not installed. Thanks again. |
| 18:53.35 | devster31 | abrotman: https://bpaste.net/show/88370c7e7e57 |
| 18:53.44 | devster31 | also hd and cal |
| 18:55.41 | maarhart | dontknow: yes |
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| 18:57.42 | devster31 | also on a similar note, do the packages dhcpcd5, isc-dhcp-client (they provide dhcpcd and dhclient respectively) redundant? |
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| 18:59.26 | greycat | Hell, pump is still packaged. |
| 18:59.29 | greycat | ,info pump |
| 18:59.30 | judd | Package pump (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: BOOTP and DHCP client for automatic IP configuration. Version: 0.8.24-7; Size: 34.2k; Installed: 72k |
| 18:59.51 | wewlad | where do per-user mount settings are stored? |
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| 19:00.11 | wewlad | or does 'mount' work globally? |
| 19:00.13 | greycat | So yeah, there are multiple DHCP clients, multiple text editors, multiple window managers, etc. |
| 19:01.07 | devster31 | no, I meant if having them both installed is useless |
| 19:01.26 | devster31 | or if it creates conflicts |
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| 19:06.26 | dutchfish | devster31, well, you can setup your preferred one like (example) echo "export EDITOR=nano" >> ~/.bashrc |
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| 19:07.31 | dutchfish | devster31, i have several editors, depending on the current job |
| 19:07.47 | dutchfish | devster31, works pretty well |
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| 19:08.10 | devster31 | but these are dhcp clients, do I really need both installed? |
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| 19:09.02 | dutchfish | devster31, i dont know your setup, i have one, but i can imagine that some wm demands something else |
| 19:09.21 | devster31 | headless setup |
| 19:09.39 | devster31 | it's supposed to be a simple lan server for smb shares and such |
| 19:10.09 | dutchfish | devster31, well, i think dhcp-client is the default (not sure) for a headless box |
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| 19:11.21 | devster31 | I see, I'll try look what's included in a clean install |
| 19:11.41 | dutchfish | devster31, and dhcp-client is a virtual package btw |
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| 19:11.52 | greycat | isc-dhcp-client is the default |
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| 19:11.59 | dutchfish | greycat, yes |
| 19:12.53 | dutchfish | devster31, there are others for busybox and ipv6 |
| 19:13.29 | teraflops | devster31: dhcpcd vs dhclient, dig a bit for the differences |
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| 19:20.29 | SimbaLion | Hi, why doesn't root's crontab run in Debian 8? |
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| 19:22.52 | greycat | SimbaLion: what did you put in it, and how do you know it didn't run? |
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| 19:23.34 | SimbaLion | greycat, * * * * * /etc/script.sh and I know it didn't run because it runs under a user account, it only doesn't run under root. |
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| 19:24.30 | greycat | Did you look for CRON errors in /var/log/syslog? Does the script (always) produce some output in a file that you can use to verify that it ran? |
| 19:24.43 | SimbaLion | yeah it's being logged |
| 19:25.00 | greycat | What is being logged? A success or an error? |
| 19:25.01 | SimbaLion | I'll take a look at syslog thanks, Someone suggested that cron is deprecated, which sounds absurd. But they told me to ask in here. |
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| 19:26.19 | SimbaLion | syslog says it's running, but it isn't, the log is not producing results. |
| 19:26.31 | cisc | systemd timers |
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| 19:27.00 | SimbaLion | every time it runs there's a log entry, but that only happens when a user runs it, when root runs it nothing occurs, even tho syslog says root is running it |
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| 19:27.24 | greycat | You may have to debug the script itself, then. Possibly adding something like "exec 2>>/tmp/myscript.log; set -x" if that won't interfere with the script's operations. |
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| 19:27.41 | greycat | Does this log entry happen if you run it as root from an interactive shell? |
| 19:27.45 | SimbaLion | yeah |
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| 19:28.09 | greycat | And when you say "root's crontab", you mean that you ran "crontab -e" as root, right? You're not editing /etc/crontab? |
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| 19:29.00 | SimbaLion | right |
| 19:29.16 | greycat | Then it's gotta be something inside the script. |
| 19:29.40 | SimbaLion | It's not tho |
| 19:29.47 | wewlad | does archwiki apply to debian? In particular I'm interested in this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSHFS#On_demand |
| 19:29.59 | greycat | Add "exec 2>>/tmp/myscript.log; set -x" to the top of the script to be absolutely sure. |
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| 19:31.11 | devster31 | teraflops: it seems the biggest reason I would choose dhclient is because of NetworkManager but for a headless box dhcpcd seems the better choice since "It is currently the most feature-rich open source DHCP client" according to archlinux wiki |
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| 19:32.09 | SimbaLion | I added a new line, * * * * * echo "test" > /root/crontest.log |
| 19:32.21 | wewlad | :/ |
| 19:32.29 | SimbaLion | That worked, but only after 2 minutes, when it should have been 1 minute. |
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| 19:32.47 | SimbaLion | So at this point I am concluding act of god, even tho god doesnt exist. Ghost in the machine? where's the format button.. |
| 19:32.57 | teraflops | SimbaLion: that makes no sense |
| 19:33.03 | SimbaLion | thanks for understanding. |
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| 19:34.23 | karihre | Hello, installed jessie recently on a server, after installing some gui programs the server boots into graphical mode, I noticed that the tty's are "no longer there" when doing ctrl+alt+f[1-6], and after doing systemctl set-default multi-user.target I boot into .. nothing (no tty accessible) and can only login through ssh. Any ideas where the ttys went and how to get them back? |
| 19:34.40 | greycat | For things that run every minute, you may be happier with a daemon that sleeps until the next xx:xx:00 in a loop, rather than running a whole cron job 1440 times a day. |
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| 19:35.13 | greycat | But of course I have no idea what this script does. |
| 19:35.26 | SimbaLion | what'd make me happy is to know why root is misbehaving on this one particular server. |
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| 19:35.44 | SimbaLion | cause if it's becoming self-aware I need to kill it with fire. |
| 19:36.26 | thurstylark | and this right here is why we will never reach the singularity :P |
| 19:36.29 | devster31 | I had no idea aptitude why existed |
| 19:36.38 | SimbaLion | this server has been giving me other strange problems too. So it's not surprising to me, just annoying. |
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| 19:37.19 | karihre | https://paste.debian.net/432965/ some output from systemctl comparing this to another installation I have with a working tty, I am lost in systemd.. |
| 19:37.37 | martaroza | I have this device image http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB182OpIFXXXXalXFXXq6xXFXXXe/Usb-placa-de-som-7-1-canais-de-áudio-3D-placa-de-som-adaptador-de-microfone.jpg your lsusb is 1b3f:2007 Generalplus Technology Inc., but not work in debian, how solve this? work in windows 7, but not in debian |
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| 19:38.19 | martaroza | anyone know? |
| 19:38.29 | jmcnaught | karihre: is getty@tty1.service loaded and active? |
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| 19:41.09 | martaroza | hi |
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| 19:42.45 | jelly | martaroza: you asked the exact same question a couple hours back, and your "aplay -l" output suggested the usb audio card was recognized. |
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| 19:43.24 | jelly | martaroza: what happened after that? Did you try to select the right card and right input in your audio recording application? |
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| 19:44.09 | wewlad | does anyone know why could I get a 'ls: cannot access /path/to/mountpoint/: No such device' when trying to ls a mount point (sshfs)? |
| 19:44.37 | jelly | wewlad: ssh connection broke and you didn't use -o reconnect |
| 19:44.51 | martaroza | jelly: I do not know what command to make him work |
| 19:45.21 | teraflops | karihre: what does `systemctl get-default` say? |
| 19:45.30 | wewlad | jelly: I'm trying to make 'automount on demand' work, so there's no ssh connection at the moment |
| 19:45.56 | martaroza | or if need debian package |
| 19:46.23 | jelly | wewlad: then your automount setup is incorrect, as it's supposed to do the mounting on access. |
| 19:46.25 | martaroza | =/ |
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| 19:46.44 | martaroza | :( |
| 19:47.06 | devster31 | why would man-db depend on bsdmainutils |
| 19:47.09 | jelly | martaroza: ok, let's step back a bit. What are you trying to do with that usb audio card? audio output or input? which audio app? |
| 19:47.42 | wewlad | jelly: do you by chance know if archwiki's solutions are applied to debian? in particular this one: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSHFS#On_demand |
| 19:47.53 | martaroza | Jelly: alsamixer? |
| 19:48.11 | jelly | wewlad: no idea. |
| 19:48.25 | greycat | devster31: did you run dpkg -L bsdmainutils yet? |
| 19:48.31 | wewlad | jelly: ok, thx |
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| 19:48.42 | greycat | At a glance, I'd guess one or more of "col" and "column" are used in formatting. |
| 19:48.47 | jelly | martaroza: press F6 in alsamixer. |
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| 19:49.23 | jelly | martaroza: you ought to see your usb audio card listed there. |
| 19:49.41 | martaroza | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.51 | martaroza | yes |
| 19:49.59 | devster31 | greycat: yes, I know what's in it and why it's installed, man-db depends on it. it just seems strange to me |
| 19:50.23 | martaroza | - (default) │ │ │0 HDA Intel HDMI │ ││ │1 HDA Intel PCH │ ││ │2 USB Audio Device │ ││ │ enter device name... |
| 19:50.35 | greycat | ... it seems strange to you that man-dn would depend on the package that installs /usr/bin/col? |
| 19:50.40 | martaroza | what number? |
| 19:50.42 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 19:51.31 | jelly | martaroza: which oue looks like an USB Audio card to you there? |
| 19:51.34 | devster31 | no, it seems strange that col isn't a separate package and is instead bundled along with calendar and banner |
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| 19:52.24 | martaroza | usb see https://beta.postimg.org/image/iqcx43mkn/ |
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| 19:53.12 | martaroza | this options not work here |
| 19:53.18 | jelly | martaroza: which option? |
| 19:53.32 | martaroza | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.32 | martaroza | │ └──┘ └──┘ └──┘ │ |
| 19:53.33 | martaroza | │ 47<>47 7 │ |
| 19:53.33 | martaroza | │ < Speaker > Mic Auto Gain Control |
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| 19:54.08 | jelly | macrobat: you have three controls there, two are muted and the Speaker output is low. Which one fails to work? |
| 19:54.11 | martaroza | not recognize |
| 19:54.15 | jelly | martaroza: you have three controls there, two are muted and the Speaker output is low. Which one fails to work? |
| 19:54.25 | martaroza | no work |
| 19:54.40 | jelly | martaroza: what's your native language? |
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| 19:54.51 | martaroza | brazilian portoguese |
| 19:54.57 | jelly | !br |
| 19:54.57 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:55.26 | devster31 | I mean, this is part of the description: 'This package used to contain whois and vacation, which are now distributed in their own packages. Also here was tsort, which is now in the "coreutils" package.' they could do the same for column |
| 19:55.27 | jelly | try that channel, we don't seem to understand each other well enough to be able to help |
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| 19:55.46 | greycat | devster31: Obviously there has not been enough incentive to do such a thing. |
| 19:55.48 | jelly | devster31: who's "they"? |
| 19:56.09 | greycat | What exactly is your complaint? bsdmainutils is not a large package. |
| 19:56.16 | martaroza | this channel is empty |
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| 19:56.29 | martaroza | that* |
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| 19:58.17 | jelly | greycat: it uses 453 KiB of disk space!! |
| 19:58.37 | devster31 | no complaints, I was just noticing a lot of files in the /etc dir and was trying to get rid of some |
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| 19:58.48 | devster31 | and yes, if I have 1GB of space everything counts |
| 19:58.52 | greycat | 571kB on jessie amd64 |
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| 19:58.58 | jelly | i386 ftw. |
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| 19:59.27 | jelly | devster31: which architecture are YOU using |
| 19:59.38 | martaroza | Jelly |
| 19:59.41 | devster31 | armhf |
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| 20:00.03 | jelly | martaroza: yes |
| 20:00.18 | r0ck_ | I really love Debian! |
| 20:00.39 | tako | like everyone |
| 20:00.59 | ericandrewlewis_ | When I install Debian on my Mac, it installs GRUB somewhere, and when I reboot, GRUB shows up. I know how to avoid this and load OS X instead (hold the option key), but why does this happen? |
| 20:01.18 | jelly | martaroza: I don't know how to help you more when you don't seem to have a good enough understanding of English, sorry. Try asking the portuguese channel and be patient. |
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| 20:04.42 | jelly | martaroza: try to: 1. unmute and raise the volume of everything in alsamixer for that card 2. install pavucontrol 3. run your audio program 4. start pavucontrol, choose the Playback tab, find your application and change the output device to usb audio |
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| 20:10.32 | teraflops | ericandrewlewis_: depends on _how_ you installed linux. for doing that way I do create the ESP in HFS and then I bless it from OSX |
| 20:10.51 | cnu- | is there some recommended way to have a "network setup script"? /etc/network/interfaces doesn't do what i want |
| 20:10.55 | wewlad | how to get know user's ID and user's group ID? |
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| 20:11.17 | wewlad | are they always 1000 and 100 as in examples in the internets? |
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| 20:11.52 | jmcnaught | wewlad: use the id command |
| 20:12.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | wewlad, id |
| 20:12.04 | wewlad | jmcnaught: thx, should've googled first |
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| 20:12.13 | oh2eko | hello im trying to setup internet connection shareing from usb0 to eth1 but i am not finding any guides that are current does anyone know of one or could help |
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| 20:15.18 | jelly | martaroza: http://imgur.com/qtQc3ug |
| 20:16.10 | ericandrewlewis_ | teraflops: create a new ESP separate from the OSX ESP? what does that accomplish? (not intimately familiar with boot processes) |
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| 20:16.52 | jelly | martaroza: that's an audio player running and pavucontrol showing that player and the chosen audio card for _that_ player application |
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| 20:17.02 | wewlad | can I set umask separately for files and dirs? |
| 20:17.45 | martaroza | jelly: I instaled pavucontrooll |
| 20:17.50 | martaroza | usb work |
| 20:19.10 | jelly | martaroza: you're welcome! |
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| 20:19.35 | wewlad | how to 'source' fstab? |
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| 20:20.32 | wewlad | I mean I'd like to test how my mount rules from fstab work and I got tired of restarting the machine to test that |
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| 20:20.56 | jelly | wewlad: "mount -a" |
| 20:21.29 | wewlad | jelly: thanks! |
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| 20:21.56 | wewlad | I can't make my sshfs mount work, I'd appreciate if someone could help |
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| 20:24.29 | teraflops | ericandrewlewis_: it's EFI |
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| 20:25.26 | ericandrewlewis_ | pardon? |
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| 20:25.50 | teraflops | ericandrewlewis_: just like UEFI but you format the ESP in HFS instead of fat |
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| 20:27.42 | ericandrewlewis_ | So create a separate EFI partition, and then put what on that? |
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| 20:28.22 | teraflops | ericandrewlewis_: something like that https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook#Using_blessing |
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| 20:28.53 | ericandrewlewis_ | thanks, that will prob provide me with the context i need |
| 20:29.07 | teraflops | ericandrewlewis_: yeah heh sorry |
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| 20:30.11 | teraflops | ericandrewlewis_: there are several ways for doing dual boot, so take a look there and pick the one that floats your boat |
| 20:30.21 | ericandrewlewis_ | cool :) |
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| 20:31.17 | teraflops | ericandrewlewis_: be careful, the model matters |
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| 20:40.35 | wewlad | doesn't anyone use sshfs mount? |
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| 20:43.03 | spacedust | how can i use the netinstall iso (latest) with ssh ? i want to install from ssh , is it possible ? |
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| 20:43.28 | teraflops | spacedust: yes |
| 20:43.32 | cluelessperson | spacedust, look into automated install |
| 20:43.34 | spacedust | how ? |
| 20:43.43 | cluelessperson | spacedust, Google "automated install" |
| 20:43.45 | teraflops | spacedust: use the expert text mode |
| 20:43.52 | spacedust | thanks teraflops |
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| 20:43.58 | spacedust | cluelessperson: ill look into it |
| 20:44.03 | cluelessperson | spacedust, rather "debian automated installation script" or similar. |
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| 20:44.37 | teraflops | spacedust: it'll will prompt you eventually to the "continue the installation via ssh" |
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| 20:45.18 | Lionyx | Hello guys! Having trouble to setup Debian to start without X. I tried systemctl set-default multi-user.target. and then rebooted. Am I in the right direction? |
| 20:45.30 | Lionyx | Jessie 8.4 by the way |
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| 20:47.09 | greycat | Lionyx: I would use something like systemctl disable lightdm.service or whatever your *dm is. |
| 20:47.38 | Lionyx | greycat would that be permanent? |
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| 20:47.49 | greycat | Yes, until you do an "enable" to undo it. |
| 20:47.58 | Lionyx | Ok i'll give it a try |
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| 20:48.40 | spacedust | thnks all |
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| 20:49.20 | Lionyx | tks! it worked!!!! |
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| 20:50.58 | wewlad | how to start ssh-agent and sshfs mount after logging in? |
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| 20:58.59 | allizom | Hi, I'm looking for a software to make audio and video calls via the internet. I have previously used Jitsi and I like ZRTP, but I'd prefer to use another client. I have found http://icanblink.com/ , if anybody has used it please tell me |
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| 21:00.37 | prussian | allizom: pretty sure the WebRTC protocol has video stipend |
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| 21:01.16 | allizom | prussian: how would I use ZRTP with WebRTC? |
| 21:01.39 | allizom | Or something else with equivalent capabilities |
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| 21:03.32 | wewlad | I've added 2 shell scripts to kde autostart but they don't work, instead they slow down the kde logging in; they are supposed to ask for the passphrase, but I don't get any prompts; please help |
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| 21:11.38 | oh2eko | Well it seems i keep breaking things when trying to setup internetconnection shareing so still looking for help |
| 21:12.05 | teraflops | allizom: jitsi is fine (you hate java?) I tried linphone with video and it goes fine, I do asterisk is that matters |
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| 21:15.53 | jmcnaught | wewlad: KDE probably has some built-in ssh-agent helper, possibly involving kdewallet |
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| 21:16.13 | wewlad | jmcnaught: I already figured out that it's a ksshaskpass |
| 21:16.18 | allizom | teraflops: I'm reading about linphone, seems interesting, thanks for your suggestion |
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| 21:17.40 | wewlad | I'm experiencing hangs/unresponsive UI in KDE now, what do I do? |
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| 21:17.52 | teraflops | allizom: np, for android I like csipsimple, it turns your smartphone in an amazing voip phone |
| 21:17.54 | wewlad | I've just clicked to log out and it fails |
| 21:19.01 | teraflops | audio/video with encryption and a bunch of options for fine tunning, yeah offtopic sorry |
| 21:19.39 | allizom | teraflops: csipsimple website as found by a web search seems to be down |
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| 21:20.10 | allizom | this one https://code.google.com/archive/p/csipsimple/ |
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| 21:23.41 | teraflops | allizom: fdroid |
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| 21:27.13 | teraflops | allizom: also https://code.google.com/archive/p/csipsimple/downloads |
| 21:28.03 | allizom | thanks teraflops :) |
| 21:28.08 | teraflops | np |
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| 21:30.22 | wewlad | how to reinstall kde? |
| 21:30.39 | jhutchins_wk | putty is available in Debian |
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| 21:34.53 | wewlad | how to reinstall kde? I know of apt-get --reinstall, but I don't know which package to reinstall to make all kde-related packages get reinstalled |
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| 21:36.35 | jmcnaught | wewlad: why do you want to reinstall kde? what are you trying to fix? |
| 21:37.32 | wewlad | jmcnaught: after all bazhang might be right that my system is f---ed: I got new problems, this time with kde: it just hangs upon simple actions like when I click the kwin button |
| 21:37.43 | wewlad | or when I just log in to kde |
| 21:37.54 | wewlad | it now takes noticeable time to load |
| 21:38.13 | wewlad | and before it was almost instantly (well a matter of ~3-5 seconds) |
| 21:38.21 | jmcnaught | wewlad: for all users or just your user? reinstalling packages doesn't have any effect on per-user settings |
| 21:39.59 | wewlad | jmcnaught: hmm, I haven't thought of checking that. Turns out it's just for 1 user |
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| 21:45.51 | Mathisen | hello so i messed upp :) .. i tryed gitlab but now when i have uninstalled it when i go to http://mysite.com i get only white screen with EOL so it seem something is still there.. how can i solve this i uninstalled gitlab with " gitlab-ctl stop " and then " gitlab-ctl uninstall " |
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| 21:46.02 | Mathisen | any help would be relay nice |
| 21:46.07 | Mathisen | realy* |
| 21:47.20 | Mathisen | it says EOF btw not EOL |
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| 21:47.41 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: not really sure what the gitlab-ctl uninstall command does, or how you installed gitlab. but what is your webserver? did you check its logs, check which virtualhosts are active etc? |
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| 21:48.42 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: gitlab does offer an "omnibus" deb package (which includes postgresql, chef, python, ruby and more all in one package, but presumably it's removable with dpkg) |
| 21:49.08 | Mathisen | jmcnaught, i installed it this way > https://about.gitlab.com/downloads/#debian8 |
| 21:49.39 | Mathisen | i cant figure out what webserver that is runnning.. i dont have apache2 anymore i purged it.. |
| 21:50.23 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: you purged apache2? so you don't want a webserver anymore and just can't figure out what is answering on port 80? |
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| 21:51.24 | maroloccio | hi. is mate the default desktop environment going forward? default on stretch? |
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| 21:51.39 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: did you you install a gitlab-ce package then? can you just remove that package? |
| 21:51.44 | Mathisen | i want a webserver yes but if i install apache2 again it still overides it.. i cant reach index.html in /var/www/html it still comes the EOF so something is in the way |
| 21:51.54 | markybob | maroloccio: no |
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| 21:51.59 | Mathisen | jmcnaught, i purged gitlab-ce also |
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| 21:52.05 | jmcnaught | maroloccio: there isn't really a strong default in Debian, you get to choose during the install. |
| 21:52.25 | maroloccio | markybob: why does it appear as default in the daily? |
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| 21:52.45 | maroloccio | jmcnaught: but practically, there is a DE which is selected by default and many people just stick with that |
| 21:52.49 | markybob | maroloccio: it doesnt. jmcnaught gave you a great answer. and the real default is still gnome. |
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| 21:53.04 | maroloccio | markybob: did you try the nightly/daily of stretch? |
| 21:53.23 | markybob | i tried alpha 5 |
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| 21:53.48 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: and did it report that it was succesfully removed, or were there errors? |
| 21:53.50 | maroloccio | well.. just got the new "nightly" and was really surprised to see Mate selected as default |
| 21:54.03 | Mathisen | jmcnaught, no problem at all.. it removed it fine |
| 21:54.49 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: what does "netstat -tulpn | grep :80" say is listening on port 80? |
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| 21:55.53 | WujekStaszek | netstat -plnt yes |
| 21:56.00 | Mathisen | jmcnaught, > http://paste.debian.net/433000/ |
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| 21:56.07 | WujekStaszek | I don't know grep |
| 21:56.09 | Mathisen | realy wierd it shows nothing but still listening |
| 21:56.11 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: by the way, i strongly recommend you start using VMs or containers on your PC to test software, especially third party stuff not packaged by Debian. Then if you have trouble removing it you can just scrap the VM/container |
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| 21:56.48 | Mathisen | jmcnaught, yeah :( i did not think this would be so bad doh.. not an excuse i know .. but still |
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| 21:57.44 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: i mean, unless you enjoy cleaning up messes on your servers :P. Did you run that netstat command as root? |
| 21:58.18 | Mathisen | jmcnaught, ahh it shows * 21963/nginx " |
| 21:58.19 | maroloccio | i am on stretch.. how can i get a more recent kernel version than 4.4.0-1? |
| 21:58.37 | maroloccio | later than 17 march |
| 21:58.52 | Mathisen | but already tried to apt-get purge nginx |
| 21:58.59 | Mathisen | it says i dont got it installed |
| 21:59.37 | Mathisen | can i remove it some other way ? |
| 21:59.47 | markybob | maroloccio: you compile it |
| 21:59.55 | maroloccio | markybob: thank you. will do that |
| 21:59.58 | markybob | maroloccio: and stretch support isn't in here. /topic |
| 22:00.00 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: "aptitude search ~i~nnginx" list anything? maybe this is the nginx that was included with that giant gitlab-ce package still running? |
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| 22:00.11 | maroloccio | markybob: sorry about the stretch questions |
| 22:00.46 | Mathisen | jmcnaught, nope does not list anything |
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| 22:01.26 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: what about "systemctl status nginx"? maybe also try hitting <TAB> after nginx to see if it autocompletes anything |
| 22:02.03 | Mathisen | jmcnaught, http://paste.debian.net/433001/ |
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| 22:02.33 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: i reckon you could try killing that nginx process, or reboot |
| 22:02.46 | Mathisen | jmcnaught, okej i try that |
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| 22:06.30 | wewlad | I want to re-install vbox guest addons and so I mounted the cdrom with the isntaller and run 'su && sh /media/cdrom/autorun.sh' but I get 'No protocol specified Segmentation fault', why? how to fix it? |
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| 22:07.50 | jmcnaught | wewlad: do you mean in the guest? I think those guest add-ons are available as Debian packages |
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| 22:08.38 | markybob | wewlad: how do you expect su && sh whatever to work? that's not how it happens |
| 22:08.41 | wewlad | jmcnaught: yes, they are. And yes, on the guest |
| 22:09.05 | markybob | wewlad: wewlad it does su and then when you exit it runs whatever is after && |
| 22:09.11 | wewlad | markybob: sorry, that's how I just meant to symbolize that I su'ed first and then sh'ed the file |
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| 22:10.21 | Lionyx | Hello again guys! When I use tput colors, I get my tty is able to show 8 colors. Is there any how to change it to more? What does that, the font? The framebuffer config? I cant get those things to work with dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 22:10.27 | markybob | wewlad: i dont use it but i'd guess you probably need to use bash and not dash. (sh defaults to dash) |
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| 22:11.22 | wewlad | oh, thanks markybob |
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| 22:12.09 | jmcnaught | wewlad: using the debian packages inside the guest is probably more reliable, more likely to survice kernel updates than installing from the virtual CD that VBox provides |
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| 22:12.17 | Mathisen | jmcnaught, reboot did the trick thx |
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| 22:14.14 | wewlad | jmcnaught: thanks, I also just remembered that they are actually available from the repos (I just was confused by the fact that I thought they are already installed and since 'apt-get update' didn't find anything - I totally forgot about the repos, but turns out I didn't have 'virtualbox-guest-x11' installed, installing it now from the repos) |
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| 22:14.58 | cygnusx1 | is there a way to reset my display driver without crashing X? |
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| 22:16.24 | cygnusx1 | every time i wake this pc from sleep there is a bar that flickers across the bottom 5-6 pixels |
| 22:16.29 | wewlad | I think I was mistaken when I installed 'virtualbox-guest-additions-iso' package, it's just the iso, right? I don't need it if I install 'virtualbox' and 'virtualbox-guest-utls' and 'virtualbox-guest-x11' and so on? |
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| 22:19.39 | jmcnaught | wewlad: i don't use VBox, but i presume you'll also want virtualbox-guest-dkms |
| 22:20.08 | wewlad | I do have it, jmcnaught |
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| 22:27.26 | wewlad | how much should it usually take for apt-get update to finish fetching repo stuff? |
| 22:27.55 | wewlad | what's Hit vs Get: vs Ign statuses there? |
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| 22:29.43 | markybob | wewlad: probably less than 15 seconds unless it's been long. it only gets diffs. ign means nothing's changed so it's not getting anything. get it's getting something |
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| 22:32.33 | wewlad | markybob: thanks, I've noticed some slowdown (afaik before it was way faster like a few seconds, but now I'm not sure if that was actually so fast), and was thinking about switching mirrors |
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| 22:33.03 | wewlad | I was going to measure how long it takes for me and ran it 2nd time - this time it worked in 2-3 secs |
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| 22:40.20 | wewlad | markybob: do you use ssh-agent? |
| 22:40.31 | markybob | wewlad: no |
| 22:40.44 | wewlad | oh |
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| 22:42.31 | wewlad | markybob: ssh-agent is a specific name of some SSH agent, maybe you use some other SSH agent? |
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| 22:44.25 | markybob | wewlad: i don't have any reason to use it. not employeed right now so not managing anything. |
| 22:44.37 | markybob | wewlad: and it's smoke time :) |
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| 22:45.20 | wewlad | markybob: oh, ok, thanks |
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| 23:04.58 | bryzNSTY | Hey guys, just did a fresh install and I cant get audio to work from my back panel. It seems to only be detecting HDMI sound outputs. Any ideas? |
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| 23:08.53 | cluelessperson | bryzNSTY, drivers for the sound car |
| 23:09.05 | cluelessperson | bryzNSTY, sound drivers for hdmi are usually very seperate |
| 23:09.51 | bryzNSTY | i'm not using the hdmi sound though, my headphones are plugged into the audio ports of my motherboard |
| 23:10.38 | mtn | bryzNSTY: have you already used pavucontrol to check your settings for volume and devices? |
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| 23:12.50 | bryzNSTY | mtn: yes, and its only showing "built in audio analog stereo, GK104 HDMI digital stereo and USB advanced audio" |
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| 23:13.19 | mtn | bryzNSTY: and what is wrong with that? that is more than just hdmi |
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| 23:13.52 | bryzNSTY | None of it is from the back panel of my computer. |
| 23:14.07 | bryzNSTY | Ive tried every single one |
| 23:14.12 | Paianni | is it muted? your apps might be defaulting to the hdmi out |
| 23:14.13 | mtn | bryzNSTY: oh, it does not use the builtin sound card for the back panel? what does it use? |
| 23:15.12 | mtn | bryzNSTY: and did you check both output and configuration for devices? and all combos of device and volume? |
| 23:15.14 | bryzNSTY | I use the sound ports on my motherboard, and I checked in pavucontrol to make sure everything is unmuted |
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| 23:15.53 | mtn | bryzNSTY: obviously your motherboard will be the audio analog stereo device |
| 23:15.57 | bryzNSTY | usually, the output is called something like "speakers" |
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| 23:17.38 | bryzNSTY | im also trying every output on mumble and nothing has worked |
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| 23:21.20 | wewlad | seems like screwed up a bit once more: how to restore files from /etc/skel/? That dir is empty because I probably mv'ed from there instead of cp |
| 23:23.58 | wewlad | ah, damn it, it's just that alias ls='ls -a' didn't kick in, the dir is not empty... |
| 23:27.11 | wewlad | when new user is created it gets .bashrc file from /etc/skel/.bashrc, can I add .inputrc there too? |
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| 23:29.00 | bryzNSTY | Ok, so I got my audio working with mumble, but not chromium... |
| 23:29.11 | maurer | Does debian have a guide on how they expect other package managers living on top of a debian system to act when installed by debian? |
| 23:29.26 | maurer | Examples would include things like cargo/pip etc |
| 23:29.29 | maurer | or cabal |
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| 23:30.09 | maurer | (I'm considering trying to get the nix (https://nixos.org) package manager to be able to install more cleanly, and was wondering if there were interaction guidelines, or if decisions had been made on a case-by-case basis |
| 23:30.49 | hamersaw | cargo is a build tool, not a package manager |
| 23:31.00 | maurer | hamersaw: Well, so far |
| 23:31.04 | maurer | hamersaw: It recently got cargo install |
| 23:31.07 | hamersaw | it can install programs, but they're usually installed to $HOME/.cargo/bin |
| 23:31.09 | maurer | hamersaw: but cabal/pip are better examples |
| 23:31.20 | hamersaw | then that's added to your PATH |
| 23:31.55 | maurer | hamersaw: In any case, nix can already install on debian, but the deb they currently produce is severely limited, and requires the user to manually write/install an init script or daemon, create users, adjust permissions on a directory, etc |
| 23:32.41 | maurer | hamersaw: but there are questions of how an idealized version of this would do things, e.g. should it use a nix-provided version of the nix-daemon that runs the builds as selected by root, or a debian one? Allow a choice? |
| 23:33.14 | maurer | In any case, it seems unlikely I'd be able to get direct answers in here, but I figured "a package manager coexisting with debian" is not entirely foreign, and might have some document explaining policy somewhere I could read |
| 23:35.18 | hamersaw | yeah, it would be in interesting project. in my experience non-deb based package management tools - or really any non native (ex. anything but pacman on arch), doesn't integrate with the system well |
| 23:35.36 | hamersaw | there's always hacky work arounds though |
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| 23:41.19 | zz | same |
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| 23:41.44 | maurer | hamersaw: So, nix in particular builds everything separately, and it'd all reside in /nix |
| 23:41.54 | maurer | hamersaw: and individual users can have their paths managed to point at spots in there or not |
| 23:41.54 | SuperNull | Hey guys, looking for an intro guide to VMs using like kvm-qemu .. not new to VMs just linux VMs |
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| 23:42.46 | maurer | hamersaw: The tricksy bit is that the system needs a nix-daemon running for multi-user interaction, and a nix program for a few other things, and the question would be whether it's considered appropriate for a systemd unit or initscript to refer to a program not built or distributed by debian |
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| 23:43.02 | maurer | (initially it would be the one installed by the .deb, but most likely a few months later it'd be replaced) |
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| 23:43.22 | maurer | (similar to how you sometimes see opam install opam or cabal install cabal-install) |
| 23:43.30 | maurer | (but at a system level |
| 23:43.33 | jmcnaught | SuperNull: https://wiki.debian.org/KVM is not a bad place to start. libvirt is a popular way to manage KVM, and is easy to install on Debian |
| 23:43.42 | cygnusx1 | is there a way to reset my display driver without crashing X? |
| 23:43.44 | cygnusx1 | every time i wake this pc from sleep there is a bar that flickers across the bottom 5-6 pixels |
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| 23:44.01 | SuperNull | alright |
| 23:44.50 | SuperNull | jmcnaught: is kvm the right choice still ? |
| 23:45.16 | jmcnaught | maurer: i think the rule of thumb is just make sure that whatever third-party package manager you're using doesn't interfere with paths that should be reserved for dpkg/apt.. so install stuff to /usr/local, /opt, or in a virtualenv with pip, or whatever is appropriate for that particular tool |
| 23:46.24 | jmcnaught | SuperNull: i think it's a good choice. Xen is still an option, which can also be managed by libvirt. Lots of people like VirtualBox which is easiest to use with vagrant if that's important to you. KVM is what I use. |
| 23:46.26 | cygnusx1 | nm i figured it out. i went into tty and did pkill x and it just took me back to the login manager and the problem is gone |
| 23:46.57 | cygnusx1 | where should i file a bug report for this? |
| 23:47.31 | SuperNull | jmcnaught: any idea what the data center guys are using ? |
| 23:47.36 | SuperNull | jmcnaught: other than vmware ;) |
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| 23:48.00 | markybob | SuperNull: linode made the move to kvm |
| 23:48.05 | jmcnaught | SuperNull: i think Xen and KVM are both used quite a bit |
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