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| 00:06.45 | Kiril | hello |
| 00:07.31 | Kiril | what's the best way to make some custom bash script to run it on boot/reboot? |
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| 00:09.16 | daily | run what Kiril? |
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| 00:11.42 | markybob | Kiril: the proper way would be a systemd unit file. you could throw it into /etc/rc.local |
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| 01:31.18 | grnmtn | i've got several dell blade servers using broadcom 10gbps nic's, using the bnx2x driver. there's no link detected on them, both on the server and the switch. however, if i raise the interface with "ifconfig ethx up", then the link appears. has anyone seen behavior like that before? |
| 01:32.44 | acu | grnmtn, yes - place a stance in /etc/network/intrfaces ----- auto eth0 (or whatever card it is) |
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| 01:33.14 | grnmtn | acu: thanks! |
| 01:33.42 | acu | grnmtn, welcome |
| 01:34.12 | acu | there are some other ones hot-plug eth0 or something like this - but auto will do the trick |
| 01:34.15 | acu | usually |
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| 01:39.05 | somiaj | auto-hotplug is triggered on via udev (Ibelive) when a network cable is pluged in, auto is brought up at boot. You can also make your own auto-foo groups if needed. |
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| 01:41.07 | grnmtn | hmm, no luck with hotplug. it doesn't seem consistent with behavior on other interfaces though. i thought link status was determined by the physical connection to the card |
| 01:41.31 | grnmtn | so link will still be active whether not the computer is turned on |
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| 01:43.58 | acu | grnmtn, it maybe also a driver issue - you may need to enable non-free or compile the driver - you have to look at errors dmesg etc to know exactly what is going on |
| 01:44.50 | acu | also when you have multiple ethernet cards and you connect them to different subnets - other issues need to be resolved with regard to routing and priority |
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| 01:46.37 | themill | firmware-bnx2x would be required, but if it works at all that shouldn't be an issue |
| 01:46.46 | acu | yes - I think the bnx driver is tricky too if I remember right - what debian version do you use grnmtn ? |
| 01:46.49 | grnmtn | yeah, the bnx2x is from non-free |
| 01:47.01 | grnmtn | acu: jessie |
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| 01:48.09 | grnmtn | themill: that's true - it works fine, but it's confusing from an admin perspective. especially since this is using blade chassis switch, so the only way i can tell it's "plugged in" is through software |
| 01:48.11 | acu | did you update upgrade it ? sometimes reinstalling the linux-nonfree firmware (whatever name it is) helps too - specially if the kernel was updated - just two cents - but I would go for logs and dmesg to see exactly what is the message |
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| 01:50.32 | grnmtn | acu: it's a new install. when i lower/raise interface (and link goes away), dmesg shows: |
| 01:50.47 | grnmtn | [ 423.632062] bnx2x 0000:09:00.1 eth3: NIC Link is Up, 10000 Mbps full duplex, Flow control: ON - receive & transmit |
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| 01:51.04 | acu | what do you get if you do ip addr |
| 01:51.08 | acu | !ip addr |
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| 01:54.10 | grnmtn | acu: nothing unusual in ip a output - ethtool output here: http://pastebin.com/r3LWTVMR |
| 01:55.26 | grnmtn | acu: in any case, it's not much of a problem since it works fine . . . it's just weird |
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| 01:58.36 | acu | grnmtn, good, if it works, don't fix it :) |
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| 02:34.00 | kingsley | Do you agree that a reasonable strategy for fixing the following error (when installing VirtualBox) ... |
| 02:34.32 | kingsley | Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed. |
| 02:34.51 | kingsley | ... is to |
| 02:35.10 | kingsley | 1.) Install the latest kernel source and binary, |
| 02:35.23 | kingsley | 2.) and reinstall VirtualBox |
| 02:35.24 | kingsley | ? |
| 02:36.35 | kingsley | I assume the latest versions for my AMD box are in the packages named ... |
| 02:36.37 | jmcnaught | kingsley: you need to install the kernel headers for the kernel you are running, like: "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')" (add -t jessie-backports if you're using a kernel from backports). |
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| 02:36.39 | kingsley | linux-source-4.4 and |
| 02:36.45 | jml2 | kingsley, but you're in virtualbox |
| 02:36.49 | kingsley | linux-image-686-pae |
| 02:37.17 | jml2 | kingsley, you need the kernel headers true |
| 02:37.34 | jml2 | kingsley, there's linux-headers packages that need to be installed |
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| 02:38.26 | jml2 | kingsley, install the headers then if you reinstall vbox it'll pas |
| 02:38.31 | jml2 | kingsley, ./pass |
| 02:38.38 | jmcnaught | kingsley: do you have a 32-bit computer? -686-pae is a kernel for 32-bit computers. amd64 is for all x86 64 bit CPUs |
| 02:39.06 | jml2 | !amd64 |
| 02:39.06 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>. |
| 02:39.08 | kingsley | jmcnaught: Sorry. I should have mentioned that I already installed the headers. I previously installed the latest version of the package named "linux-headers-686-pae". |
| 02:39.52 | jmcnaught | kingsley: do you have the headers from jessie and image from backports? |
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| 02:40.50 | kingsley | jmcnaught: You politely asked if I have a 32 bit computer. I believe it's 64 bits. |
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| 02:42.05 | jmcnaught | kingsley: seems like you're using a 32-bit kernel then if linux-image-686-pae is what you have installed |
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| 02:46.47 | kingsley | jmcnaught: You asked if I have the headers from jessie and image from backports. The headers and image are both from unstable, but the image is slightly stale. It's version 4.2.6-3. |
| 02:46.55 | jml2 | dmidecode can show you the processor capability |
| 02:47.13 | kingsley | jmcnaught: Yes, I agree. I seem to be using a 32 bit kernel. |
| 02:47.13 | jml2 | (cpu model number would mention much of the VT capability) |
| 02:47.58 | jml2 | kingsley, don't use unstable. |
| 02:48.04 | jml2 | !unstable |
| 02:48.04 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 02:48.12 | jml2 | kingsley, it's meant for developers |
| 02:48.36 | somiaj | or at least don't mix. If running jessie, use the kernel from jessie-backports (not from unstable) |
| 02:48.42 | somiaj | espically with the gcc5 transition. |
| 02:50.52 | jmcnaught | jml2: "grep 'vmx\|svm' /proc/cpuinfo" can tell you if VT is supported too :) |
| 02:51.43 | kingsley | jmcnaught: Do you happen to have an opinion on whether now might be a convenient time for me to try installing an amd64 kernel for my 64 bit CPU? |
| 02:51.52 | jml2 | jmcnaught, so tell him -- thing is often BIOSes do not enable the VT setting |
| 02:52.26 | jmcnaught | kingsley: if it's an unstable system i recommend getting up to date, reading the info provided by apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs, and hanging out in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for better support. If it's a jessie system mixed with unstable, either upgrade all the way to testing/unstable or reinstall jessie |
| 02:52.28 | jml2 | kingsley, you have to reinstall |
| 02:52.42 | jml2 | kingsley, but you can keep/clone /home back |
| 02:52.55 | jmcnaught | jml2: i was telling you in case you didn't know that parsing dmidecode is not necessary |
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| 02:54.00 | jml2 | jmcnaught, i'm not after that |
| 02:54.06 | jml2 | jmcnaught, i'm after the cpu model |
| 02:54.36 | jml2 | there's more way to dice a cake |
| 02:55.56 | jml2 | apparently he's messed up his system with unstable for not following online advice |
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| 02:56.50 | k12 | Is there a reason why there's nothing for "laptop lid"? http://imgur.com/RtPm2gK |
| 02:57.32 | jmcnaught | jml2: well for what it's worth the CPU flag will still be present even if the feature is disabled in the bios, but looking up the CPU model can be fun too |
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| 02:57.39 | jml2 | k12, you need a package i forget which |
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| 02:58.21 | kingsley | jmcnaught: My /proc/cpuinfo just has the "svm", which I think is because I use an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 cpu. |
| 02:58.51 | jmcnaught | kingsley: yeah i think all AMD processors have the feature, it's only Intel that selectively disables it. |
| 02:59.42 | somiaj | if you try to load the module, the kernel will tell you if it has been turned off in the bios (or give you a warning, and point to the bios as a possibility) |
| 02:59.47 | jml2 | k12, try this-> "apt-get install task-laptop" |
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| 03:00.12 | jmcnaught | kingsley: anyways.. depending on if this is a frankendebian jessie system or not you may need to reinstall anyways. |
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| 03:00.58 | k12 | jml2: "task-laptop is already the newest version." |
| 03:02.01 | jmcnaught | k12: what are you trying to do? the laptop lid switch is handled by logind, the only way i've found on Jessie to change the behaviour is to edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 03:02.03 | kingsley | jmcnaught: For what it's worth, I believe you're not the only person advising to keep unstable systems up to date, but, I have collected, IMHO, some interesting statistics on the robustness of Debian's package management dependencies. You can see them at http://morse.kiwi.nz/kingsley/lib/exe/detail.php?id=technology%3Astart&media=technology:package_ages_on_a_debian_computer.png |
| 03:03.05 | k12 | jmcnaught: what I want to do is be able to close my laptop lid without it locking or suspending my session. |
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| 03:04.32 | jml2 | k12, pm-utils is installed? |
| 03:04.38 | jmcnaught | k12: HandleLidSwitch in the file I mentioned can do that. |
| 03:05.02 | kingsley | jmcnaught: Thanks for letting me know about the "apt-listchanges". It looks handy. |
| 03:05.24 | k12 | jml2 apparently not. :( |
| 03:05.26 | kingsley | s/the "apt-listchanges/the "apt-listchanges package/ |
| 03:05.32 | k12 | jmcnaught kk |
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| 03:08.35 | jml2 | k12, i've seen things related to power-management be enabled/disabled depending whether 1-missing packages or 2-rules sets for policykit not set in place |
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| 03:09.03 | jml2 | k12, you can check ~/.xsession-errors to see if there are any policykit errors, sometimes that might indicate the missing package |
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| 03:10.50 | jml2 | k12, if the above is relevant, what jmc referred to would be about systemd's capability -- though you would have to see if this is the case ( https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/logind.conf.html) |
| 03:12.10 | jml2 | k12, noticed that pm-utils is mentioned, i suppose you need it -- https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
| 03:12.38 | jml2 | k12, since you were missing it, you would have to install it -- i'd just reboot after setting changes as it is systemd |
| 03:13.01 | somiaj | I don't think pm-utils is needed anymore with systemd (though it still works) |
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| 03:13.39 | jml2 | power-management is a pita in general in linux -- hopefully systemd might be the fix for it |
| 03:13.59 | jml2 | despite all the negativity around systemd, i think it is in general a "good thing" :) |
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| 03:14.01 | jml2 | ducks |
| 03:14.04 | jml2 | tehehe |
| 03:14.58 | somiaj | Unsure if this will help, but might want to see if 'systemctl suspend' works, and if so the issue could just be some acpi event not triggering the suspend when the lid is put down. |
| 03:15.20 | somiaj | jml2: to me it is like many things, stuff I like about it, stuff I don't. |
| 03:15.42 | ledoktre2 | greets all. I have a unique question. I loaded a box here the other day,a server board with dual e1000 nics in it. Loaded it with Debian 8.3. I didnt use the nic during setup so I didnt notice anything. When I am on the bios screen, the lights on the second card work fine. It works right up until it shows checking the partitions when you frist boot. The lights go out, and its dead. Is this possibly a conflict with a PCI-E |
| 03:16.15 | jml2 | ledoktre2, possible "firmware" missing --> dmesg |grep -i fail |
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| 03:16.28 | somiaj | ledoktre2: what do you mean lights go dead? This is just about getting the network card up and working? |
| 03:16.41 | jml2 | ledoktre2, would indicate the missing firmware file -- i can tell you what package you need -- you might have "part" networking that could still download but at a slower rate |
| 03:16.56 | somiaj | ledoktre2: most likely once the bios gives control to the os it leaves teh resposnability for the os to control the interface and it just needs to be correctly loaded/configured in debian. |
| 03:17.12 | ledoktre2 | jml2: the odd part is, the box has 2 identical nics. One is working great. The other just goes dark when you frist start to boot. |
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| 03:17.34 | jml2 | ledoktre2, ok, but do you get any failed error messages from this command? |
| 03:17.39 | jml2 | ledoktre2, often you need firmware |
| 03:17.44 | jml2 | ledoktre2, intel and others |
| 03:17.50 | kingsley | just started ... $ aptitude install linux-source-4.4 apt-listchanges linux-image-686-pae |
| 03:18.31 | ledoktre2 | somiaj: both are using the e1000e driver - what I can glean from dmesg. |
| 03:18.44 | ledoktre2 | I will try and lookup the specs of the baord to see if it is a different model for some reason. |
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| 03:20.44 | ledoktre2 | jml2: somiaj: appears like one is 82574l, one is 82578dm |
| 03:20.49 | somiaj | ledoktre2: well the way I would debug this is first double check everything. first check lspci and get the chipsets of each card and make sure they do both use the same driver. Second it could just be the card is down and called eth1. Once you configure it the light may come back on. |
| 03:21.24 | ledoktre2 | somiaj: I do have it configured in /etc/network/interfaces - its just dead. I mean it wont come up or go down, no lights. |
| 03:22.30 | jml2 | ledoktre2, but do you get any "errors" is what i'm asking :) -- you'll need to use the root account (not sudo) -- likely you do have an error and the fix would be simple, that is to install the appropriate firmware package |
| 03:22.54 | kingsley | ledoktre2: If possible and practical, it might also be interesting to see if swapping the cards makes a difference. It seems to me that might help isolate whether a card or slot is buggy. |
| 03:23.00 | jml2 | ledoktre2, ( dmesg |grep -i fail ) |
| 03:23.12 | ledoktre2 | Im googling about that now. Card is onboard. Swapping will prove problematic ;-) |
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| 03:23.34 | kingsley | ledoktre2: Fair enough. |
| 03:23.49 | ledoktre2 | It makes sense on the firmware. I had thought both were the same chipset. But they are apparently different, so that makes logical sense why one might work and one doesnt. |
| 03:23.55 | ledoktre2 | I;ll be back |
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| 03:43.29 | kingsley | Yeah, installing linux-source-4.4 and linux-image-686-pae let the package called "virtualbox-dkms" finish building its module. |
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| 03:53.57 | k12 | Is the debian project still under development? Genuine question, after the suicide of it's founder. |
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| 03:59.22 | ledoktre2 | alright fellas- thanks for the nudge. It was a firmware issue. I loaded firmware-linux-nonfree package and it is now working dead on the money. |
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| 04:05.51 | jml2 | :) |
| 04:06.58 | jml2 | ledoktre2, don't forget to update your intel microcode too :) |
| 04:06.59 | jml2 | tehehehe |
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| 04:21.42 | BinBasher | it was using 13% cpu and my system was laggy |
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| 04:42.35 | k12 | Kernel: x86_64 Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 04:42.51 | k12 | How do I get kernel 4.4? |
| 04:43.27 | ryouma | k12: i have 4.4 and i am on jessie. i use jessie backports repo. |
| 04:43.30 | jml2 | k12, you have to buy it |
| 04:43.36 | jmcnaught | k12: if you need it for some reason there are newer kernels in backports, but if you don't need it it's probably better to stick with the stock kernel |
| 04:43.37 | ryouma | k12: although i will downgrade probably |
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| 04:45.18 | k12 | jml2: wut |
| 04:45.33 | jml2 | k12, kernel 4.+ cost $$$ |
| 04:45.39 | jml2 | k12, :)) |
| 04:45.45 | ryouma | why are the /dev/disk/by-id designations unstable from debian kernel upgrade to kernel upgrade, and why are there not symlinks there to the newer designations for compatibility with previous versions? |
| 04:46.01 | k12 | Never had to purchase 4.* on any other distribution of Linux. |
| 04:46.05 | jml2 | ryouma, didn't you ask about this 2 nights ago and spent hours discussing it? |
| 04:46.11 | themill | jml2: that's unhelpful |
| 04:46.17 | themill | k12: you don't |
| 04:46.18 | jml2 | themill, i gave him solutions |
| 04:46.19 | k12 | :| |
| 04:46.33 | jml2 | k12, yes it's backports. |
| 04:46.38 | jml2 | !bpo |
| 04:46.38 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 04:46.40 | jml2 | k12, ^ |
| 04:46.43 | ryouma | jml2: i asked in a different channel, one that was not as serious as this one, nor serious about the question, and it was nothing like 2h :) but yes otherwise :) |
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| 04:47.21 | jml2 | ryouma, well then update your scripts to rather point to the uuid path. |
| 04:47.24 | jml2 | ryouma, that won't change.. |
| 04:47.29 | ryouma | jml2: even if advice seems so silly that it is obviously a joke, this channel is for all levels of users, so best not to tell people that |
| 04:47.31 | jml2 | ryouma, (/dev/disk/by-uuid/) |
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| 04:48.02 | jml2 | only that I never mentioned that pathway |
| 04:48.05 | ryouma | that did not answer my question, jml2, any more than you answered k12's question |
| 04:48.15 | jml2 | (you'll have to figure out your own scripts how to work with them.) |
| 04:48.17 | acu | !https |
| 04:48.22 | acu | !tls |
| 04:48.22 | dpkg | well, tls is Transport Layer Security (ssl), or Thread-Local Storage, or in polish, TrzyLiterowy Skrot, translated to ThreeLetter Acronym, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security |
| 04:48.42 | jml2 | ryouma, well are you using debian? |
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| 04:49.05 | jml2 | no i suppose not |
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| 04:49.52 | ryouma | i can always change my things to point to the new designatgions. there is no need to change the system scripts. my question is why, not "do something totally unnecessary and intense just to work around it, which it will not if initrd is related duyring a major upgrade". the question is why. let's stick to the topic please. |
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| 04:52.11 | ryouma | in principle, /dev/disk/by-id should stay the same unless a device physically changes its subsystem |
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| 04:52.42 | ryouma | at least, that's my impression, which is violated by debian kernels. so i am curious. |
| 04:54.01 | jml2 | ryouma, so should "eth0" , all the nic interface names are changing for all distros.. This is all upstream development. Again nothing to do with debian.. |
| 04:54.30 | ryouma | it isn't kernel per se |
| 04:54.47 | jml2 | ryouma, same with /dev/hda for pata devices.. until SCSI api's took over.. no more /dev/hda,.. it's now all intrinsically "/dev/sda" .. you weren't around using Linux back then when this transition occurred.. |
| 04:55.01 | jml2 | ryouma, UUID got introduced to assist with "static" referencing. |
| 04:55.16 | jml2 | ryouma, UUID's were created to solve this issue. |
| 04:55.28 | ryouma | by-id is the question |
| 04:55.33 | jml2 | ryouma, again nothing new I told you the other night before. You're wasting my time, and I think I'll ignore you from this point. |
| 04:55.52 | ryouma | jml2: thank you |
| 04:56.37 | ryouma | i did not ask for your help in particular, and found your "help" frustrating |
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| 04:59.24 | jmcnaught | ryouma: you can probably achieve persistent block device names with udev, but using UUIDs in fstab is probably the best solution for most people |
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| 05:30.14 | ryouma | jmcnaught: yeah, just seems that in principle it should be stable, or at least linked to compatibly. uuid has its own problems, not least of which is that if you're in the middle of debugging some problem, you don't want to have to keep looking it up and comparing it. by-id makes it clear for small systems what it is. |
| 05:30.50 | ryouma | at least, i find uuid troublesome. |
| 05:31.35 | ryouma | so just wondering why udev does not do what i would consider the right thing by default |
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| 06:04.00 | Pr0metheus | how can i execute a file that contains a dash? e.g., "my-file.sh" , it says file not found |
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| 06:06.57 | Epakai_ | are you trying to execute from current directory? maybe it's not in your path and you need to specify ./my-file.sh |
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| 06:07.12 | Pr0metheus | Epakai, it is in the current path |
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| 06:10.19 | Epakai_ | i don't know anything else, but I wouldn't suspect the dash at all |
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| 06:18.09 | depesz | sorry, i must have missed something, but was courier imap/pop3 removed from debian testing? |
| 06:20.13 | depesz | "E: Package 'courier-imap' has no installation candidate" |
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| 06:23.56 | jmcnaught | depesz: check the news section of a package's page on the package tracker for reasons why something is removed from testing. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/courier also are you running testing on a mail server? |
| 06:24.11 | depesz | jmcnaught: thanks, and yes :/ |
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| 06:24.46 | depesz | hmm .. it says - courier removed from testing, but it happened, supposedly, on 2016-01-01 |
| 06:25.23 | jmcnaught | depesz: that sounds like a really bad idea. besides all the periodic changes like stuff being removed, or needing to update settings for new versions, testing i usually the last to get security updates, and sometimes problems remain for a while |
| 06:25.59 | depesz | will consider changing, but for now, I need my imap back :( |
| 06:26.24 | depesz | gfot courier from sid. seems easier to fix now. and will probably migrate to something else (what, though?) later on. |
| 06:26.47 | jmcnaught | depesz: use debian stable for servers |
| 06:27.09 | depesz | well, given that I was to leave 25 minutes ago, I don't have the time now to change distribution. |
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| 06:27.36 | jmcnaught | depesz: you should do it soon. running a mail server (or any server) on testing/unstable is *crazy* |
| 06:27.46 | depesz | yes, thank you. |
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| 06:29.56 | depesz | any other imap server you can recommend, though? |
| 06:30.05 | depesz | based on the courier page, it looks like it's not secure. |
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| 06:31.39 | jmcnaught | i use dovecot |
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| 06:33.52 | depesz | thanks. will check and see how fast I can convert. |
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| 07:07.49 | guruprasad | The Debian wiki page on Exim (https://wiki.debian.org/Exim) tells that it is possible to insert your own sections of configuration without having to modify the distribution supplied files, but is it really possible to do it so? |
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| 07:18.25 | daniel-s | Hey, I have this error message when running apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:18.31 | daniel-s | Did I do something wrong? |
| 07:18.32 | daniel-s | https://paste.debian.net/433229/ |
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| 07:53.50 | MarcL | hi, i was checking with Etherape the internet connections that my Jessie was doing with internet I have discovered that Firefox does several dozens of connections for every single website i browse mainly are all Amazon owned servers (.amazonaws.com). I have tried to uncheck all automatic updates of search engines included several setting properties that can cause connections and some advices from Firefox to modify some values in about:conf |
| 07:53.50 | MarcL | ig. Well if just I open firefox with a blank page by default it establish a short connection with that amazon server. Also I have checked if Chrome does many connections but it doesnt and mainly establish very few connections with google owned servers (1e100.net) . Now my question is: Is it normal that Firefox works in this way? |
| 07:55.29 | MarcL | ec2-52-27-67-100.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com |
| 07:57.31 | NickCao | 3:56 PM <XXCoder> usijng any amazon addons or? |
| 07:57.39 | tjcarter | MarcL: do you use any extensions? |
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| 07:58.04 | NickCao | You should ask this at #firefox |
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| 07:58.30 | MarcL | no! I have everything disabled, flash plugin included |
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| 07:59.57 | NickCao | 3:58 PM <Tew> (more telling to suggest safe mode (no addons), rather than ask about specific type) |
| 08:00.07 | MarcL | the only extension I have active is "self-destruction cookies" |
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| 08:02.25 | NickCao | 4:01 PM <XXCoder> note there is also search addons (seperate from normal addons) |
| 08:02.35 | NickCao | 4:02 PM <XXCoder> look at search options |
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| 08:02.45 | NickCao | 4:02 PM <XXCoder> remove amazon and see if it stops that |
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| 08:05.10 | NickCao | 4:04 PM <Tew> some mozilla infrastructure is on amazon (e.g. versioncheck.addons..) - but that should not happen on every page load. I don't think not-used search should search. but there might be some addons in about:support that are not listed in about:addons - usually it's just Pocket and Hello. |
| 08:06.40 | NickCao | 4:05 PM <Tew> there are few mean things that I can think of, but all(?) of them would not stay in another, new profile - so if he can test it in a new profile, you know it's profile-related, not firefox related. (there could still be an OS wide proxy/whatever network related) |
| 08:07.48 | jmcnaught | NickCao: what are you doing? |
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| 08:08.05 | scl2 | hello! i'd like to use the eclipse ide (www.eclipse.org) in debian testing. the current version is 4.5, but even in sid there's only the old version 3.8. |
| 08:08.09 | NickCao | Just copy the solutions from #firefox |
| 08:08.32 | scl2 | are there any chances to see a current eclipse version in the official debian repos? |
| 08:08.43 | jmcnaught | NickCao: people can go to appropriate channels if they want to, no need to play relaybot |
| 08:09.01 | NickCao | Ok |
| 08:09.38 | jmcnaught | NickCao: those were all good suggestions, it was just kinda weird |
| 08:09.55 | NickCao | Maybe so |
| 08:10.28 | MarcL | I have removed all amazon stuff in the search engines, I am doing some others tests to understand |
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| 08:10.32 | NickCao | But since the #firefox isn't on freenode this can also be helpful |
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| 08:11.57 | MarcL | since Firefox is the DEFAULT Debian web browser this should the right channel to ask about this issue |
| 08:12.07 | MarcL | should be* |
| 08:12.47 | NickCao | Is it fixed ? |
| 08:13.51 | themill | (You come to #debian for generalist knowledge of lots of bits of Debian, not necessarily for specialist knowledge of one particular package.) |
| 08:14.05 | MarcL | seems I am close to the solution |
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| 08:37.09 | MarcL | seems to be the default search engine in the small box on the right side of the search address. It was duckduckgo as main search engine, now I have switched to startpage and seems not giving the same problem. Anyway I am not an expert, this should be investigate further |
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| 09:05.24 | hmir_ | Hi folks! |
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| 09:07.18 | hmir_ | I was hoping somoene would explain to methe difference between the weekly testing build "debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso" and the Stretch Alpha 5 install dvd " debian-stretch-DI-alpha5-amd64-DVD-1.iso"? |
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| 09:22.34 | maroloccio | hi. i have cpp-5 ver 5.3.1-14 installed but a dependency wants it exactly -13.. what should i do? |
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| 09:25.25 | tiblock | Hi. I i bought VPS with latest debian version hoster has and its 6 and i see its not supported anymore. I made mirrors.list like this http://pastebin.com/raw/rF5V3nDu but still can't update http://pastebin.com/raw/jFGnwyAP how i can fix that? |
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| 09:26.44 | bdog7 | tiblock, you need to change squeeze, to wheezy or jessie for the latest, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 09:27.08 | tiblock | bdog7, its VPS, i'm sure will will die doing that. |
| 09:27.18 | tiblock | *it will die |
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| 09:28.06 | bdog7 | I don't think so.... but I take no responsibility |
| 09:28.35 | bdog7 | most vps hosts give you a control panel to re-install if you break it |
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| 09:28.49 | tiblock | this hoster doesn't, only "reboot" button |
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| 09:29.37 | bdog7 | tiblock, well a ticket system then? get them to reload default image |
| 09:30.31 | tiblock | bdog7, i just want mirrors.list for debian 6 and google says this one should work http://pastebin.com/raw/rF5V3nDu but it doesn't |
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| 09:31.58 | grawity | tiblock: what kind of VPS is it |
| 09:32.01 | grawity | OpenVZ or KVM? |
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| 09:32.30 | tiblock | fixed the problem replacing `squeeze-updates` to `squeeze` |
| 09:32.35 | bdog7 | oh you need the archive mirror |
| 09:32.38 | tiblock | grawity, don't know to be honest |
| 09:32.42 | grawity | find out |
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| 09:33.25 | teraflops | tiblock: openvz ones does not let you to upgrade Linux image |
| 09:33.37 | bdog7 | http://archive.debian.org/debian/ tends to keep the old releases going |
| 09:33.38 | grawity | though if the hoster doesn't say which, and if it's too cheap to be true, it's probably going to be OpenVZ. |
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| 09:33.49 | grawity | `systemd-detect-virt` or `ls /proc/*beancounters` to check |
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| 09:35.37 | hmir | I was hoping somoene would explain to methe difference between the weekly testing build "debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso" and the Stretch Alpha 5 install dvd " debian-stretch-DI-alpha5-amd64-DVD-1.iso"? |
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| 09:37.07 | tiblock | I will try this https://people.redhat.com/~rjones/virt-what/ |
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| 09:38.02 | tiblock | And its kvm. virt-what says that |
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| 09:38.48 | tiblock | I will keep in mind `apt-get dist-upgrade` as an option |
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| 09:40.28 | grawity | there are even providers which run OpenVZ on top of KVM so be careful |
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| 09:52.39 | tiblock | Its me again. I want compile nodejs and `./configure` says `C++ compiler too old, need g++ 4.8 or clang++ 3.4 (CXX=g++)` and `gcc --version` says `gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5` so i need upgrade `gcc` to `4.8`? Is that correct idea? |
| 09:53.09 | ikonia | that is what it's complaining about |
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| 09:53.37 | lok | if client A needs information from Client C; should it be passed via Server B? |
| 09:54.17 | tiblock | ikonia, so i download `gcc` and compile it? Is it like that or somehow else? |
| 09:54.30 | ikonia | lok: you're cross-posting - please don't, you're asking hte same thing in multiple channels |
| 09:54.36 | ikonia | tiblock: use a debian package |
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| 10:00.30 | tiblock | ikonia, can you help me on that, i'm failing to google solution. How to do it? |
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| 10:05.15 | ikonia | tiblock: look in the debian repos if there is a later version of gcc available for your release (doubtful) |
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| 10:07.20 | tiblock | Oh i give up, i will do dist-upgrade. |
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| 10:08.13 | ikonia | tiblock: thats not going to help |
| 10:08.31 | tiblock | ikonia, why? Don't debian 7 have gcc 4.8? |
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| 10:09.06 | tiblock | *8 |
| 10:09.13 | tiblock | debian 8 |
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| 10:10.58 | tiblock | Oh why this world is so hard. Do i need first upgrade to Debian 7 and then to Debian 8? |
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| 10:12.11 | ikonia | tiblock: dist-upgrade won't upgrade you to later versions of debian |
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| 10:14.17 | tiblock | Oooooooohhhhh, i seeeeeeeee. Hoster do have all releases but on order page when you open dropdown menu to delect OS your scrooll bar hidden on right so its behind monitor. So i did not know you can scroll down. Okaaaay. Time to make a ticket. |
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| 10:35.33 | hmir | I was hoping somoene would explain to methe difference between the weekly testing build "debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso" and the Stretch Alpha 5 install dvd " debian-stretch-DI-alpha5-amd64-DVD-1.iso"? |
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| 10:46.36 | wewlad | hello, 'man ls' doesn't give details about '-F' flag: "-F, --classify - append indicator (one of */=>@|) to entries" which indicator means what? |
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| 10:49.28 | SpeedyG | thats further specified in http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/General-output-formatting.html#General-output-formatting |
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| 10:51.17 | geoid | hi |
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| 10:51.56 | geoid | I just ran apt-get upgrade on our staging server and I'm getting a wierd grub message. Pls help! |
| 10:52.18 | geoid | "The GRUB boot loader was previously installed to a disk that is no longer present, or whose unique identifier has changed for some reason." |
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| 11:10.38 | combatdud3 | I've managed to break apt-get all it outputs it Killed |
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| 11:10.46 | combatdud3 | Any idea what I've done and how to fix it? |
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| 11:22.22 | wewlad | thx SpeedyG |
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| 11:25.10 | Drugo | what about that "old xscreensaver" warning in jessie? Since it's not security related stuff, does it will remain unfixed? |
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| 11:34.47 | Wagaaa | Hi! |
| 11:36.41 | TomTomTosch | Drugo: probably until the next point release. |
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| 11:40.35 | Wagaaa | A Debian based Linux System program |
| 11:40.55 | r0ck_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:42.19 | wewlad | what's that process (child of /usr/bin/kdm): "/usr/bin/X :0 vt7 -br -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-odE6Ea"? in 'ps' I see that it's time is 26:39 which is way too much. |
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| 11:42.29 | wewlad | is it Xorg? |
| 11:43.03 | Wagaaa | customizatio linux system |
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| 11:44.30 | bazhang | try ##linux Wagaaa this is debian only |
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| 11:54.03 | jonathan_zz | if you want to use systemd network name assignment (interface renaming) but you want to map it to your own names, what would be the required or recommended procedure? |
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| 11:55.03 | grawity | create custom configurations as in `man systemd.link` |
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| 11:56.03 | grawity | renaming via udev rules (NAME="") also works, as long as it's done before 80-*.rules |
| 11:57.44 | jonathan_zz | right, thanks. |
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| 12:08.42 | Gh0sty | hello, wondering where does debian keep lvm info which is used during boot? system does not boot because it is trying to run fsck on non-existing lv, when press ctrl-d it continues and boots fine ... lv is not in fstab or anything :/ |
| 12:08.43 | Shinji_ikari | hi |
| 12:09.03 | Shinji_ikari | which are the common used port? 80, 53 ? |
| 12:09.07 | Shinji_ikari | 443 ? |
| 12:09.26 | Shinji_ikari | and how to bind on those port without root ? |
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| 12:11.50 | Triski | Gh0sty, i think that theinformation of when to perform a fsck is stored on the filesystem itself |
| 12:12.36 | Triski | Gh0sty, when it boots, it reads all the partitions and finds the PV on them, and detects if any is marked for a filesystem check routine |
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| 12:13.10 | Gh0sty | yeah thats not the issue |
| 12:13.33 | Gh0sty | the issue is there has ever been a disk in there which had /dev/mapper/vg02-something |
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| 12:13.45 | Gh0sty | while that vg02 does not exist anymore for a long time |
| 12:14.02 | Gh0sty | now all of the sudden when booting it says can not run fsck on /dev/mapper/vg02-something |
| 12:14.08 | Gh0sty | because it does not exist |
| 12:14.23 | Gh0sty | and gives me the option to press ctrl-d or root pw to manually check |
| 12:14.30 | Gh0sty | so where does it find that vg02 from ? :p |
| 12:14.51 | Gh0sty | what does the bootup process read to determine which disks (or lvms) exist? |
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| 12:16.28 | Gh0sty | ah no |
| 12:16.35 | Gh0sty | there is a mistake in fstab after all |
| 12:16.36 | Gh0sty | wtf |
| 12:17.02 | Triski | run lvmdiskscan to check if there is really a volumegroup in there |
| 12:17.36 | Gh0sty | no its just a mistake in fstab which for some reason worked fine up until now :/ |
| 12:18.00 | Gh0sty | lets retry |
| 12:18.07 | Triski | then let´s see |
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| 12:20.45 | Gh0sty | yep |
| 12:20.50 | Gh0sty | that fixed it! :) |
| 12:21.02 | Gh0sty | always the devil in the details ;) |
| 12:21.45 | requiemd | btw how to check that fstab is correct before reboot? |
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| 12:22.33 | Triski | Gh0sty, nice catch there ;-) |
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| 12:22.56 | jonathan_zz | wallbroken: there is no way to bind on <1024 ports without root. |
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| 12:24.30 | Gh0sty | not sure how that might have worked in the past then |
| 12:24.41 | Gh0sty | this box has worked for years :P |
| 12:25.03 | Gh0sty | perhaps that is the problem ... never ran fsck for the last couple years because it had an uptime or around a year or so ;) |
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| 12:28.43 | Triski | Gh0sty, not even manually in any of thouse annoying boots messages ? :-D |
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| 12:30.14 | Gh0sty | not sure ... if only I had a boatload of time ... I might reinstall it |
| 12:30.26 | Gh0sty | should split it up into vm's |
| 12:30.46 | Gh0sty | so its not that harmful to restart vms in stead of the whole OS :p |
| 12:31.37 | Triski | only in case of kernel updates |
| 12:32.53 | wewlad | a qustion about search in 'nano' I know hot to invoke search, but how to switch to next/prev found item if there are multiple matches? |
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| 12:34.33 | wewlad | also, a 'ps' related question: how to combine options with and without '-' symbol? for example there's 'l' and '-l', how to combine each of them with '-e' and 'a'? |
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| 12:35.23 | wewlad | or they can't be combined and I have to choose either a set of options with '-' or without? |
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| 12:37.53 | requiemd | wewlad: for next search i am pressing ^W again |
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| 12:39.42 | wewlad | requiemd: but that requires re-typing the search keyword, which is too long and thus uncomfy |
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| 12:40.01 | wewlad | oh, ^W + Enter |
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| 12:40.03 | wewlad | thx requiemd |
| 12:40.25 | wewlad | and how to do the same in 'man' viewer (I guess it's less by default)? |
| 12:40.42 | alexxey | Hello! My OS is debian testing. |
| 12:40.47 | alexxey | When I start Calibre I got "This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin 'xcb'." |
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| 12:40.53 | alexxey | SMPlayer also has this problem. |
| 12:40.57 | alexxey | Any hint what is going wrong? Thanks! |
| 12:41.18 | requiemd | wewlad: man wget | grep cookie |
| 12:41.44 | wewlad | requiemd: no, I mean the search by '/' key |
| 12:41.55 | wewlad | when you are already in man |
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| 12:46.02 | requiemd | wewlad: dunno i even can't find notice about '/' in man man lol |
| 12:46.28 | wewlad | requiemd: I guess it's 'man less' |
| 12:47.06 | requiemd | true |
| 12:47.07 | wewlad | requiemd: man less > /\/ |
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| 12:47.50 | wewlad | I guess it's 'p' and 'n' |
| 12:48.14 | wewlad | nope, 'n' and 'shift+n' |
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| 12:50.17 | requiemd | wewlad: cool |
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| 12:50.45 | requiemd | that's better than grep |
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| 12:51.27 | wewlad | requiemd: these are two different approaches, grep is sometimes very handy too, especially when you specify -A3 or -A5 |
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| 12:54.36 | wewlad | requiemd: try this: ps auxwwf | grep -A 5 -B 5 grep |
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| 13:04.54 | DEFKOR | hello, check out my debian, http://sh.st/Iex1p , i built from linux from scratch using mac UI |
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| 13:05.30 | requiemd | wewlad: yeah useful as well |
| 13:06.05 | wewlad | DEFKOR: that page is blank and asks for money |
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| 13:07.00 | requiemd | just linkscamer |
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| 13:14.57 | nuno_nunes | transform ubuntu in windows 10: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Windows+10+Transformation+Pack?content=171327 |
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| 13:35.14 | neglesaks | do ayone of you here have a prepackaged UEFI boot lader or creation script? this stuff i honestly doing my head it. |
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| 13:37.57 | neglesaks | Also, does gparted itself move data reliably - within a partition - when you change the partition size, position, etc? |
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| 13:40.19 | wewlad | why's 'htop' not installed by default? |
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| 13:42.10 | toruvinn | wewlad, why aren't 1048576 other packages installed by default? there's at least one person using them! ;-) |
| 13:42.23 | epsilon | wewlad: any optional package would bloat up |
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| 13:43.10 | tjcarter | ooh, I like htop |
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| 13:43.29 | tjcarter | thanks wewlad |
| 13:43.32 | wewlad | I mean there's top, why not swap it to htop? |
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| 13:43.54 | epsilon | *shrugs* feel free to build a custom installer |
| 13:43.55 | tjcarter | probably because top is a standard tool and htop may be larger |
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| 13:44.05 | toruvinn | neglesaks, "reliably", if i recall correctly it moved that data, but no guarantees given. do backups. ;-) |
| 13:44.11 | toruvinn | wewlad, i'm not really a fan of htop |
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| 13:44.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | because top is part of procps, htop is a separate package? |
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| 13:44.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | among other reasons... like htop probably depends on more things |
| 13:44.47 | wewlad | toruvinn: me neither, but it's more functional than plain top, so why not replace one for another? |
| 13:45.13 | markybob | i'd confuse the hell out of old unix people like me. |
| 13:45.21 | markybob | what? no top? wtf |
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| 13:46.24 | tjcarter | CutMeOwnThroat: Looks like top depends on more things actually ;) |
| 13:46.48 | wewlad | what's 'akonadi'? I see too many processes related to it |
| 13:47.05 | wewlad | some process are related to both mysql and akonadi |
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| 13:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | tjcarter, procps package does, yes. but part of that is because libraries are split out |
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| 13:49.22 | wewlad | hmm, weird, ps doesn't show as many processes as htop does |
| 13:49.24 | tjcarter | CutMeOwnThroat: htop doesn't depend on most of those |
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| 13:51.08 | FranklY | Hello |
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| 13:53.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | tjcarter, that's a misconception, because neither does top |
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| 13:54.51 | tjcarter | ldd certainly suggests otherwise, though library dependencies could be a thing there |
| 13:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | tjcarter, the procps package isn't == top, but top is part of the procps package |
| 13:55.11 | FranklY | googles a debian issue and gets ubuntu results |
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| 13:55.28 | tjcarter | yes, but if you ldd top, you see a lot of libs htop doesn't use |
| 13:55.33 | wewlad | did anyone reconfigure CTRL+W in terminal to chop paths by a dir per one hit? |
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| 13:56.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | tjcarter, you see two (a lot??) , one of them comes from the procps source package itself |
| 13:56.46 | tjcarter | wewlad: should delete one "word" |
| 13:56.53 | wewlad | I've found 2 approaches of how to do that: 1. 'set bind-tty-special-chars off' + '"\C-w": backward-kill-word' 2. 'stty werase undef' + 'bind "\C-w":unix-filename-rubout' and I can't figure out the difference |
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| 13:57.39 | wewlad | + a note "It should be noted that 'stty werase undef' will stop you from using 'C-w' in any program (bind will allow you to use in readline)" |
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| 13:58.08 | tjcarter | CutMeOwnThroat: I see libpcre, a bunch of systemd, libgpg-error, libcrypt, libtinfo, ncurses ... |
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| 13:59.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | tjcarter, http://paste.debian.net/433805/ for ldd top |
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| 13:59.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, useless discussion |
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| 14:01.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'd need to split it out from procps |
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| 14:02.05 | hmir | Hi! |
| 14:02.05 | hmir | I was hoping somoene would explain to methe difference between the weekly testing build "debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso" and the Stretch Alpha 5 install dvd "debian-stretch-DI-alpha5-amd64-DVD-1.iso"? |
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| 14:02.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | and while I would see a medium-to-good point for splitting out the procps-mounting bits from the binaries, I don't see any reasoning that would let you split top from pkill et al. |
| 14:02.38 | tjcarter | For some reason I can't actually copy that URL suddenly. Anyway, unless there are major differences between procps on ARM and Intel ... |
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| 14:05.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, actually, now that I added a | sort to the ldd... the dependencies for top and htop are identical |
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| 14:06.28 | FranklY | Now, how to run no-ip at boot? |
| 14:06.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | with the one excsption that top depends on libprocps and htop on libm |
| 14:07.38 | hmir | anyone/ |
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| 14:08.25 | FranklY | Would the Ubuntu script work? |
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| 14:11.44 | mariok | Hello! |
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| 14:30.04 | wewlad | is there any free rar unpacker? 'apt-get install unrar' said it uses /usr/bin/unrar-nonfree |
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| 14:31.03 | FranklY | Is there any way to force apt-get to install all required dependencies? |
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| 14:31.57 | markybob | wewlad: unrar-free package. not that great though |
| 14:32.14 | wewlad | markybob: what's so not great in it? |
| 14:32.30 | markybob | wewlad: it often doesn't work |
| 14:32.38 | wewlad | FranklY: isn't what apt-get does by default? |
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| 14:32.49 | wewlad | markybob: oh :) thanks for the hint then |
| 14:33.09 | wewlad | FranklY: isn't that what* |
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| 14:33.43 | FranklY | Tht's what I thought weltzooo |
| 14:33.45 | FranklY | dammit |
| 14:33.48 | FranklY | wewlad: ^ |
| 14:34.06 | mtn | FranklY: if you have a problem you should explain what it is ;) |
| 14:34.06 | FranklY | "E: unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages" |
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| 14:34.32 | FranklY | mtn: I'm trying to install letsencrypt from jessie-backport, but it's being a pain in the dick |
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| 14:34.58 | cmtptr | what is the username and password for the live cd? it's not mentioned anywhere on debian.org as far as I can tell |
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| 14:35.59 | mtn | FranklY: please paste your sources.list to dpaste.com and give us the link |
| 14:36.29 | FranklY | cmtptr: user:live |
| 14:36.40 | cmtptr | FranklY, thanks |
| 14:36.45 | FranklY | mtn: That's a pain in the dick :L |
| 14:36.53 | mtn | FranklY: ok, fine |
| 14:37.12 | FranklY | mtn: I'm using PuTTY and it doesn't play nice with copypaste |
| 14:37.49 | mariok | FranklY: what did you try to do with putty? |
| 14:37.54 | FranklY | Here: http://hastebin.com/omuhiqanid.list |
| 14:38.05 | markybob | use right-click not ctrl+c ctrl+v |
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| 14:38.18 | FranklY | Left click actually |
| 14:38.38 | mariok | left klick to highlight some text does not work? |
| 14:38.46 | mtn | FranklY: have you tried using apt-get install -f? |
| 14:39.10 | markybob | FranklY: that highlights it. right is to copy |
| 14:39.23 | FranklY | markybob: It's copy-on-highlight |
| 14:39.29 | FranklY | mtn: Uhhh |
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| 14:40.08 | markybob | FranklY: so you're complaining about what? you know how to copy and paste with putty |
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| 14:41.07 | FranklY | yeah, but it was being iffy because I didn't have the window full screen |
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| 14:44.41 | Projectns | Hello i have a short question |
| 14:45.11 | Projectns | i have a 1 gb and 2gb ram client, what is the best gui with the lowest cpu burden? |
| 14:45.17 | Projectns | *load |
| 14:45.41 | Projectns | without programs or else |
| 14:46.22 | thrym | Projectns: you could try i3 or awesomewm |
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| 14:46.27 | Projectns | i3? |
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| 14:46.28 | thrym | these are just window managers though |
| 14:46.43 | mariok | fvwm ? |
| 14:46.54 | thrym | I personally run xfce as DE and i3 as WM |
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| 14:47.49 | thrym | http://i3wm.org/ |
| 14:48.01 | Projectns | sounds good |
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| 15:01.24 | wewlad | how to cut away 2nd and 4th columns in the output of 'mount | column -t'? |
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| 15:02.38 | mariok | booting Debian GNU/Linux with UEFI (not UEFI Secure Boot). What's your opinion about that? |
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| 15:03.23 | mtn | mariok: it works |
| 15:03.24 | mariok | is it manageable to to that? |
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| 15:05.37 | pokazef | wewlad: mount | cut -d ' ' -f 1,3,5- | column -t |
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| 15:06.51 | wewlad | pokazef: wow! huge thanks! I was trying to write the same but the order was mount | column | cut |
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| 15:07.41 | wewlad | pokazef: also, do you know how to make use of '-s' option for 'column -t'? 'mount | column -t -s \t' does something weird |
| 15:07.56 | wewlad | as if \t is not treated as a tab character |
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| 15:11.09 | pokazef | wewlad: yep, it's treated as a regular "t", with that syntax |
| 15:11.22 | pokazef | you could try with $'\t' |
| 15:12.29 | pokazef | ... but "mount" actually outputs spaces, not tabs |
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| 15:13.09 | wewlad | aah, so I need to convert spaces to tabs first... |
| 15:14.41 | pokazef | But... "mount" outputs spaces and "column" takes spaces by default, so why do you want to use tabs? |
| 15:15.21 | wewlad | pokazef: because I'd like to printf header for those columns first and separate everything with tabs.. |
| 15:15.28 | wewlad | well, don't bother, I'm just learning stuff |
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| 15:15.56 | pokazef | Oh, ok. Well: mount | cut -d ' ' -f 1,3,5- | tr ' ' '\t' | column -s $'\t' -t |
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| 15:17.04 | mariok | I have a Laptop with UEFI Boot (Secure Boot disabled), GPT Partition layout and a EFI Partition already there (for the preinstalled MS Windows) |
| 15:17.10 | devster31 | I have a noob question about apt-pinning, should I set a priority 100< p < 500 or something below 100 for the testing branch of jessie if I only want to install a specific package from testing but otherwise leave the system untouched? |
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| 15:17.44 | mariok | I want to keep my MS Windows Installation so the "use entire disk and "... Options in the Setup installer is no option for me. That leafes the "manual" Option. |
| 15:17.44 | wewlad | pokazef: I thought that if tabs would be used then everything would be aligned in printf 'Device\t\tMount Point\t\tFile system\tOptions\n'; mount | cut -d ' ' -f 1,3,5- | tr ' ' '\t' | column -s $'\t' -t |
| 15:17.49 | wewlad | but it's not |
| 15:18.09 | mariok | Do I need to use the EFI Partition during the Debian Installation somehow? |
| 15:18.19 | wewlad | mariok: why not use a VM if you keep windows anyways? |
| 15:18.23 | mariok | or just ignore it in the setup installer and the installer recognizes it? |
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| 15:19.22 | pokazef | wewlad: no, you have to put your headers through "column" as well... |
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| 15:19.49 | mariok | wewlad: I do not have any MS Windows Installation Media to setup a VM after the Debian Installation just to run the MS Windows inside a VM. |
| 15:20.22 | pokazef | ( printf 'Device\tMount Point\tFile system\tOptions\n'; mount | tr ' ' '\t' | cut -f 1,3,5- ) | column -s $'\t' -t |
| 15:20.41 | mariok | The question is. Do I need to speciy the already existing EFI Partition during the Debian Installation or does the Setup Installer recognize this EFI Partition and installes GRUB there. |
| 15:20.42 | wewlad | mariok: why would you need a window installation media to setup a VM with debian? |
| 15:21.10 | mariok | wewlad: I want Debian GNU/Linux as the Host Operating system |
| 15:21.17 | wewlad | pokazef: you are a damned wizard :) |
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| 15:21.56 | mariok | and because I do not have any MS Windows Installation media I couldn't try the "use entire disk"... Option because then the MS Windows Installation get's lost. |
| 15:22.02 | wewlad | pokazef: thanks a lot, I totally forgot about the brackets |
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| 15:22.33 | pokazef | wewlad: no problem :) |
| 15:22.34 | wewlad | mariok: isn't there a debian installer for windows? |
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| 15:23.44 | mariok | Does the Debian GNU/Linux System as the second operating system on the disk need a seperate EFI Partition? |
| 15:23.50 | wewlad | mariok: I know that for ubuntu there's wubi.exe that is supposed to install ubuntu right from windows, so it handles disks properly |
| 15:24.36 | wewlad | that's not an answer to your question, but still might be helpful... |
| 15:24.49 | FranklY | I'm a fucking idiot |
| 15:25.00 | FranklY | I forgot to use the staging server for my ssl certs |
| 15:25.04 | FranklY | and I broke everything |
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| 15:25.23 | mariok | Is here anybody with dualboot and EFI Setup? |
| 15:25.46 | mariok | I just want to know how to proceed with the EFI stuff. |
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| 15:26.06 | mtn | mariok: the installer knows what to do ;) |
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| 15:26.33 | wewlad | yeah, it will ass wipe windoze completely ;D |
| 15:26.55 | FranklY | lol |
| 15:27.05 | FranklY | I actually like the .exe installers, they work well |
| 15:27.05 | mariok | Installation of Debian GNU/Linux (testing) still fails. So I'll try Debain GNU/Linux (stable) now |
| 15:27.22 | Projectns | i get an error when i install i3 on debian |
| 15:27.44 | Projectns | i3 : Depends: i3-wm (= 4.12.1-1+g4.12-42-ge1b31871) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 15:30.19 | FranklY | Projectns: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 15:30.57 | Projectns | W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://dl.bintray.com/i3/i3-autobuild/ sid/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/dl.bintray.com_i3_i3-autobuild_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 15:34.16 | FranklY | Projectns: Did you run apt-get update? |
| 15:34.20 | FranklY | As root? |
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| 15:39.12 | ChunkzZ | where is dwm config file located on debian jessie? |
| 15:40.12 | FranklY | ChunkzZ: config.h? |
| 15:40.15 | mariok | dpkg-query -L dwm | grep etc |
| 15:40.29 | ChunkzZ | FranklY, yeah I can't find it. |
| 15:40.34 | mariok | ChunkzZ: did you try that? |
| 15:40.36 | FranklY | lol, ChunkzZ You need to decompile and recompile :L |
| 15:40.44 | FranklY | ChunkzZ: https://wiki.debian.org/Dwm |
| 15:41.00 | ChunkzZ | FranklY, i am using dwm right now |
| 15:41.18 | FranklY | See the wiki |
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| 15:42.37 | ChunkzZ | E: Unable to find a source package for dwm FranklY |
| 15:43.19 | mariok | An installation step failed. |
| 15:43.23 | FranklY | ChunkzZ: huh |
| 15:43.30 | mariok | ^^^ during Installation of Debian GNU/Linux (stable) |
| 15:43.33 | mariok | let's debug |
| 15:44.00 | ChunkzZ | dwm is already the latest version and suckeless tools |
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| 15:44.44 | mariok | in /target/var/log/apt/term.log |
| 15:44.55 | mariok | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 15:45.05 | mariok | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.11 | ChunkzZ | what? |
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| 15:45.56 | mariok | is there another file where the exact error is logged? |
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| 15:47.35 | bryzNSTY | i'm using 3 monitors and their order is messed up, but there is no option in xfce to change that. Is there a program that I can fix that with? |
| 15:48.00 | theunixfreak | Use arandr |
| 15:48.34 | bryzNSTY | yes! that's what i was looking for |
| 15:48.42 | bryzNSTY | thanks |
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| 15:48.53 | theunixfreak | :) |
| 15:49.27 | mariok | /target/var/log/apt/history.log: |
| 15:49.39 | mariok | Error: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:49.57 | mariok | ^^^ this error message is not very helpfull to debug the problem |
| 15:50.50 | mariok | and the term.log says there was a Problem caused by systemd but does not say exactly what the problem is. |
| 15:51.07 | mariok | Can you help me please to find the right place to look at? |
| 15:51.08 | wewlad | I'm a 'su' user, and I don't get how people work with 'sudo' (which is advised to use over 'su'): do they write in root user's password each time they sudo anything? |
| 15:51.28 | wewlad | or is there something like ssh-agent that let's you write it once for a session? |
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| 15:51.47 | wewlad | and if so - then how is it better than 'su'? |
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| 15:52.03 | mariok | I want to find out what the Problem is on my Debian Installation and open a bug if there isn't one open for the probelm |
| 15:52.07 | Projectns | dont work |
| 15:52.21 | Projectns | i3-wm (= 4.12.1-1+g4.12-42-ge1b31871) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:52.28 | musca | wewlad: what you type is your own user password |
| 15:53.38 | FranklY | Fuck |
| 15:53.38 | wewlad | musca: okay, but does it prompt each time you sudo? |
| 15:53.48 | FranklY | I broke lighttpd |
| 15:54.15 | wewlad | FranklY: use httpd, it's almost unbreakable xD |
| 15:54.26 | wewlad | (that's not so) |
| 15:54.42 | FranklY | wewlad: lighttpd is normally unbreakable, must have fucked up badly |
| 15:55.02 | wewlad | sudo /etc/init.d/lighttpd reload |
| 15:55.08 | wewlad | sudo /usr/sbin/lighttpd -f /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf -t |
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| 15:56.10 | jonathan_zz | at what stage is the root file system normally remounted rw? |
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| 15:58.23 | mariok | it looks like my problem is caused by dependency problems with ifupload and systemd |
| 15:58.30 | mariok | and that's on Debian GNU/Linux (stable) |
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| 15:58.53 | mariok | oh sorry. Debian Stretch |
| 15:59.13 | FranklY | wewlad: Huh? I just restored it to a previous version :L |
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| 16:00.26 | pokazef | jonathan_zz: I believe it's done in checkroot.sh |
| 16:01.04 | pokazef | grep -A8 "Remount root" /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh |
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| 16:01.42 | jonathan_zz | right so it is the fsck thing. |
| 16:02.02 | jonathan_zz | and the only reason it is really mounted ro is for that to happen? |
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| 16:14.52 | jmarciano | how is it called debian build system, is it bbuild? Which website? |
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| 16:17.05 | beardyname | is running a program of a network share not recommended? |
| 16:17.16 | beardyname | I was thinking of storing a programs db on my storage server |
| 16:17.31 | beardyname | but i get some strange "db is locked" error |
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| 16:21.21 | karlpinc | beardyname: What sort of network sharing are you doing? |
| 16:21.30 | beardyname | cifs/samba |
| 16:21.53 | beardyname | I found something about needing to set a nolock parameter |
| 16:21.56 | beardyname | I'm gonna try that |
| 16:22.19 | karlpinc | beardyname: MS Windows suffers from not allowing more than one program to open any file at one time, last I looked years ago. Maybe that's the problem. |
| 16:22.42 | beardyname | karlpinc, precisely but nothing on the windows machine is using that file |
| 16:22.46 | beardyname | I'm gonna play with it |
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| 16:26.01 | beardyname | running a printer server of a raspberry pi, getting an larger sdcard will probably work just as fine if this does not work |
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| 16:26.49 | beardyname | hey what do you know |
| 16:26.56 | beardyname | adding the 'nolock' worked |
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| 16:41.54 | awal1 | Any clue on how to prevent/block access to tty's when X session is locked? |
| 16:42.42 | awal1 | I do have 'vlock', but I wonder if tehere is way for lock both X & Console |
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| 16:48.06 | somiaj | awal1: what do you mean? Modern xservers use the same tty as startx was run, so even if they switched to a console, they would still need to logon |
| 16:48.17 | somiaj | though I do think there is ways to disable ctrl-alt-f1 console switching |
| 16:48.25 | somiaj | (from xorg) |
| 16:51.36 | awal1 | somiaj, sometimes I log in tty for run x ncurses/cli programs and i'm in X doing things. but when I lokck X with xscreensaver, xtrlock or any other pkg and I forget to lock tty, any one can use alt-ctrl-fX and kill the locker in X and so do what he wants |
| 16:53.12 | somiaj | looks like there is a way to completely disable that in X, but this is a disable, not a locking like youa re loking for. |
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| 16:53.39 | awal1 | yeah, I see... |
| 16:53.42 | ChunkzZ | hello. |
| 16:55.31 | somiaj | awal1: have you tried other locking tools. I don't use them myself, but xlock, xlockmore, xscreensaver, maybe one of them has implemented a way to disable console switching while locked |
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| 16:57.24 | awal1 | somiaj, i have xlock, xtrlock and xscreensaver, let me try them all |
| 16:57.43 | somiaj | awal1: look at vlock |
| 16:58.02 | somiaj | awal1: just found that, it is a console locking program. It may not stop vt switching but it may lock your consoles for you |
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| 16:58.58 | awal1 | somiaj, I have them all, except xlockmore; I'm trying them all and check if they block access to tty when X is locked. tried before yet but I try again for be sure |
| 16:59.12 | awal1 | somiaj, yeah I have vlock, and it locks tty's |
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| 17:00.07 | somiaj | awal1: maybe just configure vlock to lock ttys fairly quickly, so at least they are locked. |
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| 17:00.27 | blocky | what package do i need to install to have pptp available as a vpn option from network manager applet? |
| 17:01.19 | prussian | you could probably just `killall getty` b4 locking ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 17:01.37 | prussian | i mean agetty |
| 17:01.39 | prussian | lol |
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| 17:04.12 | somiaj | blocky: what type of vpn? 'apt-cache --names-only search network-manager' |
| 17:04.26 | somiaj | blocky: gives you alist of all the various network manager plugins that debian provides. |
| 17:04.45 | blocky | somiaj: I installed network-manager-pptp and pptp-linux |
| 17:05.24 | blocky | restarted network-manager service and the applet |
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| 17:05.35 | blocky | maybe i need the gnome version? |
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| 17:06.23 | prussian | are you using gnome? |
| 17:06.24 | somiaj | blocky: unsure there. apt-cache show packagename for more info |
| 17:06.29 | blocky | prussian: no, i3wm |
| 17:06.38 | blocky | somiaj: that seems to have done it, the gnome packaged worked |
| 17:06.39 | blocky | thanks |
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| 17:06.42 | prussian | weird |
| 17:07.33 | Deedend | hello, how to join debian-next? I have some problem with polari (gnome IRC client) |
| 17:07.36 | awal1 | somiaj, when locking X with xscreensaver, xtrlock, xlock access to tty's still allowed; locking ttyX with vlock, access to other tty's is allowed too, including X (tty7). But ok, I'll check if 'vlock' can be used for lock all the tty's where users/root are logged as you suggested. thanks :) |
| 17:07.37 | somiaj | prussian: many non-gnome wms etc just use the gnome apps, so if the network-manager gui is just the gnome gui it would make sense it needs the addtiional plugins |
| 17:07.38 | Deedend | on a stretch |
| 17:07.50 | somiaj | Deedend: #debian-next is on the irc network irc.oftc.net (this is freenode) |
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| 17:08.06 | Deedend | oh.. thanks i'll try |
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| 17:08.43 | somiaj | awal1: from what I read, you can't stop (without completing disabling the ctrl-alt-f? console switching). But as long as it is a login or a locked screen asking for a password, that is about the best you'll get |
| 17:08.52 | guruprasad | In my exim configuration there is a /etc/exim4/conf.d/auth/30_exim4-config_examples there are some default authenticators enabled. How do I disable them using the principle of not changing any distro-supplied configuration in the split configuration setup? |
| 17:08.57 | somiaj | awal1: It looks like vlock might be able to autolock consoles after some inactivity. |
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| 17:09.33 | guruprasad | Since the file name ends with _examples I assumed that it will be fully commented out and the debian wiki page on exim says that it should be possible to use the split configuration without editing the default files |
| 17:09.49 | blocky | ugh... pppd[20928]: segfault at 8 ip 00007fedaa0c8b1c sp 00007ffc0ad42300 error 4 in nm-pptp-pppd-plugin.so[7fedaa0c7000 |
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| 17:11.36 | blocky | heh, apparently i can ssh to the other pc on my network that is already on the vpn, and then ssh from there to my actual target inside the vpn |
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| 17:12.30 | awal1 | somiaj, excuses if I losted your time. I'm just a dumb. being in X tty "vlock -a" (vlock --all) does the job, it lock all the VC, including X |
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| 17:12.41 | awal1 | I dont know how I missed that in man |
| 17:12.47 | awal1 | excuses :) |
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| 17:13.40 | somiaj | guruprasad: /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz -- has some info. |
| 17:13.58 | awal1 | but I hope that my question has been useful for other people here :) |
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| 17:15.57 | awal1 | so, problem solved "vlock -a, --all" and all virtual consoles are locked instantly. |
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| 17:21.25 | guruprasad | somiaj: I read that document, but I couldn't find anything to help me solve my problem. |
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| 17:26.55 | prussian | nice |
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| 17:29.37 | wewlad | I hate that by default 'ls -sh' shows that each dir's size is only 4.0K, did anyone try to write an alias for 'ls -sh' so that it would that it would combine 'ls -sh' for files and 'du -hd1' for dirs? |
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| 17:35.26 | unborn | blocky: yeah that should be normal.. if pc 1 which is connected to vpn is on your local net, you would proceed as normal to get logged in.. and from there you can connect to target outside.. |
| 17:36.46 | karlpinc | wewlad: Why du -d1? Why limit yourself? Otherwise the number is pretty meaningless. |
| 17:37.41 | unborn | blocky: you would not be able to do that if pc1 is isolated from your local net.. once you get access to terminal on pc1 which have both your localnet and vpn connections in system, then you should be able to rich machine which is connected from pc1 to out.. that is logical way.. nothing wrong with it. |
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| 17:38.07 | wewlad | karlpinc: well, I thought that would save from long time needed for the command to get executed, but turns out that 'du -d' is so stupid that it runs recursively down to the deepest level anyways, it just limits the output to 1 level |
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| 17:38.45 | jonathan_zz | wewlad: you'd really need a system that would cache the results for that in some way and keep that live updated too :-/. |
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| 17:39.23 | jonathan_zz | wewlad: but some systems display the number of files in the dir, instead of its size. |
| 17:39.54 | jonathan_zz | personally what I would like most is for ls to simply use dot-notation for thousands. |
| 17:40.00 | wewlad | jonathan_zz: my system does cache those results |
| 17:40.19 | wewlad | (I used 'find /' before, so 'du -h /' ran in less than 1sec) |
| 17:40.55 | wewlad | jonathan_zz: why not just rely on -h (human readable values)? |
| 17:41.16 | wewlad | G's are pretty noticeable even in big lists :) |
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| 17:41.31 | jonathan_zz | wewlad: that's not helpful because it requires a measure of thinking on what it says |
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| 17:41.45 | zinx | usually uses du -b so he can pipe to sort -n |
| 17:41.46 | wewlad | everything does |
| 17:41.48 | jonathan_zz | it's not like you instantly know its size. |
| 17:42.05 | jonathan_zz | not if you see a number of digits and that numbers is equivalent to its size :p |
| 17:42.16 | jonathan_zz | but if you say 2345351897234 you won't know what size it is |
| 17:42.19 | jonathan_zz | see* |
| 17:42.31 | wewlad | zinx: nice trick |
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| 17:43.55 | jonathan_zz | the suffix just confuses me especially if they are not all the same I think |
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| 17:44.50 | jonathan_zz | also it shows "9,5M" but then it rounds "11M" so now the 11M figure is visually smaller |
| 17:44.53 | wewlad | jonathaN: use colors |
| 17:45.08 | jonathan_zz | doesn't work. |
| 17:45.11 | wewlad | wy? |
| 17:45.31 | jonathan_zz | vdir --color doesn't color that |
| 17:45.47 | zinx | du -b doesn't work? |
| 17:46.04 | wewlad | I didn't know of 'vdir' |
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| 17:46.14 | jonathan_zz | basically the same as ls -l |
| 17:46.16 | wewlad | it looks like an alias to ls -l |
| 17:46.18 | wewlad | yeah :) |
| 17:46.26 | somiaj | guruprasad: what I saw was a way to regenerate config files. I say just move it or comment out the options in it. |
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| 17:46.33 | jonathan_zz | but it is its own executable |
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| 17:46.54 | wewlad | what a waste of kilobytes then! |
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| 17:46.59 | Igel | Written by Richard M. Stallman and David MacKenzie. |
| 17:47.00 | wewlad | why dupe the functionality? |
| 17:47.03 | jonathan_zz | yeah immensely. |
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| 17:47.16 | jonathan_zz | idk sometimes it behaves differently. |
| 17:47.27 | wewlad | even better then |
| 17:47.34 | jonathan_zz | for some reason vdir displays spaces as \ |
| 17:47.41 | jonathan_zz | I mean "\ " |
| 17:47.45 | zinx | wewlad: GNU. |
| 17:47.52 | alfatau | hello all. I'm looking for some offline file organization software that does not rely on a db. I found tagspaces quite similar to what was in my mind, however it relies on renamed filenames and I don't like it. Isn't there some standard linux tool to add/modify tags on files? Also, I'm using btrfs filesystem now, and I wonder why it did not introdu |
| 17:47.52 | alfatau | ced some attributes like tags to add to files, to be able to perform semantic searches... |
| 17:47.53 | wewlad | jonathaN: there's a similar key for ls |
| 17:47.59 | wewlad | key/option |
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| 17:48.20 | zinx | alfatau: there is if you have extended attributes enabled |
| 17:48.21 | Igel | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 118280 Mar 14 2015 /bin/ls |
| 17:48.21 | Igel | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 118280 Mar 14 2015 /bin/vdir |
| 17:48.26 | jonathan_zz | ok, personally I don't like it :p. But that's beside the issue. |
| 17:48.49 | Igel | 004fd9b650f2d2dfcd3378ea6c99bb5c /bin/vdir |
| 17:48.49 | Igel | 2eb1a3e346933962bdfbb7b118404b68 /bin/ls |
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| 17:49.30 | wewlad | alfatau: what d'u mean by 'organization'? |
| 17:49.50 | Igel | ls has ')cF!dEVh@' in its header, so ls is the larger file |
| 17:49.51 | jonathan_zz | anyway for me 123.456.234 would work much better than 123M, or better yet just keep the thing at kilobyte blocks. |
| 17:50.07 | Igel | header/top of result of `strings /bin/ls` |
| 17:50.09 | wewlad | alfatau: if all you need is just add/modify tags and description then I'd suggest make use of AltDs for that |
| 17:50.34 | wewlad | jonathan_zz: I'd prefer commas + spaces instead |
| 17:50.39 | wewlad | 123, 456, 682 |
| 17:50.42 | guruprasad | somiaj: I could do that. But since the Debian wiki page on exim says "This mode of operation allows for your own sections of configuration to be inserted at any location in the final config file, without touching any of the package provided files", I was interested in trying to achieve that :) |
| 17:51.14 | jonathan_zz | maybe use brackets instead [123][456][682] and then when it falls down you pick it up with curley braces. |
| 17:51.17 | wewlad | Igel: ls is capable of more stuff, I believe it's more frequently used |
| 17:51.19 | jelly | alfatau: modern filesystems have support for arbitrary extended attributes (xattr) |
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| 17:51.57 | wewlad | jonathan_zz: that'd be some surrealism |
| 17:52.11 | jonathan_zz | haha |
| 17:52.37 | wewlad | jonathan_zz: https://i.imgur.com/KU6WlvC.jpg |
| 17:52.48 | jonathan_zz | no I disagree with the commas, well unless you are american perhaps |
| 17:53.04 | wewlad | actually not even close |
| 17:53.22 | jelly | alfatau: look at the tools and manuala from "attr" package |
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| 17:54.27 | wewlad | in SI system dot is used only once as a delimiter between full an decimal fraction |
| 17:54.31 | alfatau | zinx: REALLY interesting... i'm reading about extended attributes... |
| 17:54.55 | wewlad | *between whole number and it's decimal fraction |
| 17:55.39 | alfatau | wewlad: i mean that i've tons of files and i would like to organize them not only by using directories but using some semantic paradigm... |
| 17:55.58 | alfatau | jelly: yes, i'm taking a look right now! |
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| 17:56.54 | jonathan_zz | in SI? |
| 17:56.57 | wewlad | I do get your idea to use numbers in bytes so that you could visually distinguish numbers by their order (or how to correctly say that in English) |
| 17:57.17 | jonathan_zz | just by the number of digits, thanks. |
| 17:57.25 | wewlad | well, yeah |
| 17:57.33 | wewlad | but there's a math term for that |
| 17:57.43 | jonathan_zz | but in most of the world thousands are written with dots, not commas |
| 17:58.02 | wewlad | no, world uses SI system |
| 17:58.07 | wewlad | dots are for americans |
| 17:58.13 | jonathan_zz | no man |
| 17:58.14 | jonathan_zz | reverse |
| 17:58.21 | wewlad | NO MAN, UNREVERSE |
| 17:58.23 | jonathan_zz | this is Dutch: 123.456,25 |
| 17:58.35 | jonathan_zz | this is American: 123,456.25 |
| 17:58.35 | mariok | is there anybody with a Dualboot setup with GPT and UEFI in this channel? |
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| 17:58.46 | mariok | I want to know how to partition the disk corrently. |
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| 17:59.26 | wewlad | comma is used as separator in case you have space delimiters between every 3 digits, like 523 123 124,23 |
| 17:59.28 | wewlad | afaik |
| 17:59.37 | jonathan_zz | not where I live, ever. |
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| 17:59.47 | mariok | durcing the Setup the Setup menue gives me the option to install the GRUB into mbr (this is the old style) or not to install GRUB at all (continue without GRUB) |
| 18:00.01 | jelly | jonathan_zz, wewlad: locale settings for decimal comma or decimal point have very little to do with tech support. Cease this silliness or move it to #debian-offtopic. |
| 18:00.03 | zinx | i live in programmerland, we don't use no thousands separators, and we use a '.' as the decimal point |
| 18:00.08 | superfirelord42 | The fun part is when you accidently change how your scientific intstruments output. We had to re-parse all our data⦠|
| 18:00.22 | wewlad | hold on, I'm reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units |
| 18:00.34 | jelly | wewlad: drop it |
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| 18:01.10 | drasko | how to override broken SHA1 repos (https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Apt/Sha1Removal) |
| 18:01.33 | jonathan_zz | wewlad: it says nothing on that :) :D. |
| 18:01.46 | jelly | drasko: testing/unstable support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:02.10 | jonathan_zz | superfirelord42: a rocket once crashed because some engineer was wrong about whether something outputted degrees celcius or fahrenheit :P. |
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| 18:02.35 | wewlad | jonathan_zz: untrue, sir: the first example of meters there is 1 650 763.73, and wiki engine even has a special styling for that, so that when you copy you copy the number without spaces |
| 18:02.37 | wewlad | sorry jelly |
| 18:02.40 | wewlad | I'm done |
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| 18:03.08 | drasko | jelly, can not join invite-only channel |
| 18:03.22 | heebiejeebies | it was the Mars Climate Orbiter, its landing based on pound-seconds instead of newton-seconds didn't go so well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter |
| 18:03.24 | dontknow | how can i compile pgo iceweasel on debian? |
| 18:03.28 | jelly | drasko: irc.oftc.net is a different irc network. Not freenode you're now on. |
| 18:03.48 | dontknow | i know how to compile program. but i want to compile pgo |
| 18:04.05 | jelly | dontknow: what is pgo? |
| 18:04.36 | dontknow | jelly, profile guided optimization. compiles program twice with optimization |
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| 18:05.05 | jelly | dontknow: you'll have to investigate whether your compiler supports it at all. |
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| 18:05.12 | jonathan_zz | wewlad: I bet they just do that to make it the most agreeable "compromise" the number system itself is not part of SI. |
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| 18:05.56 | dontknow | jelly, i guess it supports. but i odn't know what code shoul i add in debian source or mozconfig |
| 18:06.02 | jelly | jonathan_zz: muted for 10 minutes, in the future move the offtopic convo to #debian-offtopic when asked |
| 18:06.18 | wewlad | sorry jonathan_zz |
| 18:06.27 | jelly | dontknow: how do you guess? |
| 18:06.27 | guruprasad | somiaj: It looks like if I define another authentication method using the same public_name later, the latter overrides the former |
| 18:06.40 | guruprasad | so I could just have a separate file defining my authenticators |
| 18:06.41 | guruprasad | :) |
| 18:07.03 | dontknow | jelly, because i comiled it in other distro with gcc |
| 18:07.34 | jelly | dontknow: which gcc version was it, and does your debian have the same or newer? |
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| 18:08.35 | dontknow | jelly, we have 4.9. i guess i have done that with 4.5 |
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| 18:09.46 | dontknow | i compiled with parabola |
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| 18:10.48 | dontknow | you gain performance with pgo. iceweasel goes faster. more points from benchmarks |
| 18:11.32 | drasko | how to override several packages from indexing in apt? |
| 18:11.45 | drasko | Notably google-chrome stuff that has broken SHA |
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| 18:12.33 | dontknow | is there a difference between apt and apt-get? |
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| 18:13.34 | somiaj | dontknow: remove the sources from sources.list or source.list.d/foo |
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| 18:13.37 | bitchin_camaro | dontknow: apt-get is a function of apt. man apt |
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| 18:13.40 | somiaj | dontknow: or modify them. |
| 18:14.08 | dontknow | somiaj, ? |
| 18:14.25 | somiaj | also note google-chrome doesn't supply 32bit binaries anymore, so on a multiarch setup you ahve to modify the sources.list for google-chrome to only use amd64 packages |
| 18:14.45 | somiaj | dontknow: google-chrome is third party. It puts a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ modify it if you don't want that repo to be used (or to change how the repo is used) |
| 18:14.51 | drasko | somiaj, I want to throw out a damn thing |
| 18:15.07 | dontknow | somiaj, you are reffering wrong person |
| 18:15.14 | somiaj | yea sorry tab completion |
| 18:15.22 | drasko | I want to prevent `apt` looking for it |
| 18:15.23 | somiaj | drasko: then remove the file creating the sources for google's third party repo |
| 18:15.28 | somiaj | drasko: read what I told dontknow |
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| 18:17.05 | jelly | somiaj: I think they've fixed their source to "deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main" a while back now |
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| 18:17.38 | somiaj | jelly: ahh maybe it was just my outdated package. |
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| 18:18.09 | drasko | I keep getting: E: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/talkplugin/deb/dists/stable/Release No Hash entry in Release file |
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| 18:18.27 | jelly | talkplugin is something different than chrome |
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| 18:19.07 | drasko | jelly, I am getting warnings also: W: http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release.gpg: Signature by key 4CCA1EAF950CEE4AB83976DCA040830F7FAC5991 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1) |
| 18:19.19 | drasko | but I guess I can live with warning |
| 18:19.32 | drasko | error however I have to remove |
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| 18:19.44 | jelly | yes, and you're asking about that in the right place so I won't comment on it here |
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| 18:22.03 | wewlad | jelly: hey, it's time to -q *!*@92.109.167.66 |
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| 18:24.07 | jelly | wewlad: thanks, the bot didn't do it for some reason |
| 18:24.48 | wewlad | yeah I had to create a new account once because of your bot, iirc |
| 18:24.52 | drasko | somiaj, jelly thanks. |
| 18:25.26 | jelly | wewlad: you're too often a PITA anyway so I wouldn't blame the bot on that one |
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| 18:25.48 | wewlad | not a pita, just a common target for smartarses |
| 18:26.05 | wewlad | but, whatever... |
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| 18:45.15 | jonathan_zz | wewlad: Java introduced a feature in version 7 where you can write numerals like so: int million = 1_000_000 :p. |
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| 19:00.54 | prussian | oh, that's cool |
| 19:00.59 | prussian | I never knew that |
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| 19:10.06 | dongforce | Does anyone wish to join Dong Force? |
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| 19:10.17 | dongforce | sorry typo |
| 19:10.23 | dongforce | I meant #dong-force |
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| 19:12.47 | H4ndy | Tango down. |
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| 19:14.02 | unborn | H4ndy: tango up. |
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| 19:16.31 | unborn | TomTomTosch: fix that host ;) |
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| 19:17.09 | TomTomTosch | unborn: hmm? |
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| 19:18.03 | teraflops | TomTomTosch: use sasl I guess |
| 19:18.53 | unborn | TomTomTosch: I know you would come up with this question.. your nick come up with ip and then - redo connection with your unaffiliated/blah... thats what I mean.. you may not see those msgs.. as you are just login it ;) |
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| 19:19.14 | unborn | 1+ teraflops TomTomTosch ^^^ |
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| 19:19.52 | teraflops | unborn: maybe he already knows that |
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| 19:20.26 | unborn | true teraflops .. I was just saying.. hes too smart for this you know.. ;) |
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| 19:23.07 | TomTomTosch | I'm aware that my nick comes up with my ip. i can see the logs. just too lazy to configure my client correctly. |
| 19:23.27 | TomTomTosch | maybe later. thx for the info though. |
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| 19:24.30 | unborn | TomTomTosch: we know.. we are same (at least I say this for myself) :) it was just 'to let you know' initiative - my bad.. |
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| 19:25.41 | jnewt | i can't seem to run lsusb. when i do, it just hangs, no output, can't ctrl+C, nothing. sudo or no sudo, same result. |
| 19:26.28 | unborn | hello jnewt .. it works fine on my end... |
| 19:26.31 | jnewt | can't even kill the process |
| 19:26.46 | unborn | did you try ctrl+c jnewt ? |
| 19:26.53 | unborn | or :q? |
| 19:27.02 | jnewt | yeah, both |
| 19:27.06 | jnewt | nothing. |
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| 19:27.34 | unborn | can you give out command you actually issued? I will try to replicate on my end |
| 19:27.38 | unborn | if possible |
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| 19:28.43 | jnewt | lsusb |
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| 19:29.23 | unborn | that command should end out automatically.. heh jnewt |
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| 19:31.03 | unborn | jnewt: I guess but if that is an server just close terminal and have look at htop if the command is still running.. if that is an local computer just close terminal.. that would kill the process however I strongly advice you to have look why on earth you was not able to kill command by your self..you know what I mean... |
| 19:32.02 | nurupo | any bash powerusers here? |
| 19:32.02 | nurupo | i want to call a command like this: "command X foo-X" for several X'es. i thought "command {x1,x2,x3} foo-{x1,x2,x3}" would work, but it permutes all the braces, doing the undesired "command x1 foot-x3" calls and such, when i want the two X'es to be the same |
| 19:32.15 | unborn | jnewt: perhaps if you see on end of terminal output (END) then just press q |
| 19:32.17 | jnewt | have tried closing the terminal (is local). open new terminal, ps aux | grep lsusb, still running. kill PID, sudo kill PID, neither does anything |
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| 19:34.27 | unborn | jnewt: are you running terminal as root or? just asking |
| 19:34.41 | jnewt | unborn: no |
| 19:34.59 | unborn | jnewt: well.. try it as root then |
| 19:35.47 | unborn | ...at least you would be able to read the logs - I mean where the problem could be and then you can move yourself to troubleshoot it.. |
| 19:36.09 | unborn | but it sounds strange to me jnewt ^^^ |
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| 19:38.42 | unborn | jnewt: any luck? |
| 19:38.47 | jnewt | ok, works if i login as root, but not if i run with sudo |
| 19:39.34 | unborn | was not used sudo command for years.. heh jnewt |
| 19:40.12 | jnewt | i try to get away with working as root all the time, but it just keeps getting me stuck |
| 19:40.17 | unborn | jnewt: there you go.. the command should be exec by root perhaps I am wrong - may you add your self to superusers? |
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| 19:42.12 | unborn | yeah I always log into servers or whatever pc as root..it saves time.. however if you need to run task as you under su then you may add your user to sudo or su.. that should solve the problem.. if that is a cron, just run it as su.. I would be strongly against it if that is normal server, however this is up to you. |
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| 19:44.07 | jnewt | unborn i'm already a member of sudo |
| 19:44.25 | jnewt | i thought that should do it, maybe not |
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| 19:44.30 | unborn | jnewt: and yet with su command no luck? |
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| 19:45.17 | unborn | member of group ? check the permission (group must be enabled if you want to run it) |
| 19:45.20 | unborn | ! |
| 19:45.29 | jnewt | su root , then lsusb, nothing. sudo lsusb, nothing. logout, login as root, lsusb runs fine |
| 19:45.39 | unborn | jnewt: ^^^ |
| 19:46.24 | unborn | jnewt: being to be part of the group does not mean anything...till you will as root not allow to r,w,e the thing for group |
| 19:46.56 | jnewt | adduser jnewt sudo => user jnewt is already a member of `sudo`. |
| 19:47.05 | unborn | I mean read, write, execute.. |
| 19:48.30 | jnewt | "till you will as root not allow to r,w,e the thing for group" what is the "thing" in that sentence? |
| 19:48.30 | unborn | jnewt: just read what I said.. I had same problem with transmission web interface.. I think you have a same problem.. owner is allowed to r,w,e but your user in group - not..as the group is not allowed to r/w/e |
| 19:48.44 | jnewt | oh, i see |
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| 19:48.51 | unborn | jnewt: yeah.. log into as root and change it :) |
| 19:48.59 | unborn | then try once again.. |
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| 19:50.09 | jnewt | lsusb has root root 755 |
| 19:50.54 | jnewt | which means group should be able to execute. so sudo lsusb should work right? |
| 19:51.16 | unborn | one moment jnewt |
| 19:52.21 | unborn | jnewt: it should be in numbers 750.. but you must be member of the root |
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| 19:53.10 | unborn | once permissions are in place you would be able to r/w/e the script as root without being root |
| 19:53.10 | jnewt | well /usr/bin/lsusb is definitely 755 on my system and i surely didn't change it |
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| 19:53.33 | unborn | yeah 755!=750 |
| 19:53.50 | jnewt | yeah, i know, less restrictive, should be able to run without even using sudo |
| 19:53.50 | jmcnaught | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 105344 Jun 10 2013 /usr/bin/lsusb |
| 19:53.58 | jmcnaught | ^ this is what is should be |
| 19:54.15 | unborn | jnewt: ^^ |
| 19:54.56 | jnewt | which is 755, same as mine, where did the 750 come from |
| 19:55.06 | unborn | jnewt: in general it should works for you if you are member of the root |
| 19:55.12 | unborn | I mean su |
| 19:55.39 | unborn | jnewt: okay I see.. you may google a bit about permissions on linux |
| 19:55.40 | jnewt | it should execute without su because of the last r-x |
| 19:56.00 | jnewt | the "everybody" part |
| 19:56.22 | ashka | hi, I'm having an issue with debian 8, systemd and lvm... I created a pv/vg/lv set with a live cd that's running ubuntu 14.04, added it to the fstab of my debian instance, but it won't boot, it will timeout mounting the lv and ask me for the root password |
| 19:56.27 | unborn | no - the su or root - part |
| 19:56.32 | jmcnaught | jnewt: you are correct. did you try using -v, or looking for logs/dmesg output |
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| 19:57.08 | jnewt | jmcnaught: i did try -v, still just hangs with no output. i'll check dmesg now |
| 19:57.11 | jmcnaught | unborn: you're confusing me here.. lsusb works for me as a regular user |
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| 19:57.59 | unborn | indeed for me as well jmcnaught |
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| 19:58.50 | unborn | ashka: you have problem with booting up section.. did you done fstab? |
| 19:58.51 | jnewt | so i don't have anything strange in dmesg relating to usb, devices show attach events and info |
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| 19:59.19 | jmcnaught | jnewt: you could try using strace |
| 19:59.34 | ashka | unborn, yes, I added the lv to the fstab |
| 19:59.35 | f31n | hi, i tried google for it but i didn't get an answer i can handle, can someone explain me the difference between dsync and fdatasync when i use dd? |
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| 20:01.36 | jmcnaught | f31n: did you read about the options in the dd man page? |
| 20:01.41 | unborn | ashka: there is two possible problems.. your system cannot see the disk as you did miss typo or disk does not exist.. i suggest you to check the ID of the disk and if correct and server wont boot up then you can add small line to ignore the error on boot.. this will also means that if the disk is missing your system will ignore the error msg and will boot up as the disk was not mounted |
| 20:02.02 | jnewt | because this works for root, it seems like this is a permisssions issue. |
| 20:02.34 | jnewt | but the file permission seems to be ok. |
| 20:02.44 | ashka | unborn, actually I realized what my issue is: this isn't actually my lv set, I recreated an other partition and probably forgot to update the fstab, since it's the root partition it won't boot |
| 20:02.47 | unborn | if you are stuck at the boot time.. after 3 seconds you should press keyboard letter (I dont remember which one) and it will process the boot as disk was not mounted |
| 20:03.15 | unborn | ashka: :) |
| 20:03.20 | f31n | jmcnaught: yes i googled a lot and read the man, i guess i mainly just don't understand it because its to ninja for me :( do you have any simple explanation for it or do i need to go through the whole topic to understand it? |
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| 20:03.49 | jmcnaught | jnewt: it's probably not the permissions on lsusb, but something it's accessing. it's pretty currious why it doesn't work with sudo, i'm not sure what if any environment variables would be involved with lsusb |
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| 20:05.37 | unborn | ashka: do your fstab and reboot.. it should work :) |
| 20:06.11 | jmcnaught | ashka: is lvm2 installed? |
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| 20:06.33 | f31n | jmcnaught: actually my main question is, why do i get a write speed of 4.3 mb/s with fdatasync and 10.2 kb/s with dsync |
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| 20:08.08 | zz | wish wings |
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| 20:08.13 | ashka | unborn, actually that's not it, the recreated partition kept the uuid |
| 20:08.18 | jmcnaught | f31n: fdatasync waits until everything has been sent to the target/of= and then syncs. dsync does a sync for every block that is copied. syncs are slow |
| 20:08.22 | ashka | jmcnaught, good guess :) |
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| 20:08.57 | unborn | jmcnaught: as I thought so.. permissions are not adhered as it should be done, but I guess user does run su command which makes me confused as well.. the only scenario is he is not part of the su or he did not added himself to su correctly.. that what I was about... |
| 20:09.33 | jmcnaught | unborn: there is no "adding to su". |
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| 20:09.59 | FranklY | He means sudo |
| 20:09.59 | unborn | ashka: okay - permissions = check.. depend on your file format also uuid may changed since you did re-install.. ? |
| 20:10.03 | FranklY | sudo != su |
| 20:10.50 | ashka | unborn, the lvm2 package was missing from the target system so that's probably it now |
| 20:11.02 | unborn | jmcnaught: i am deeply sorry su = ${for me} sudo |
| 20:11.29 | f31n | jmcnaught: thanks! awesome, dunno why i couldnât figure that out. |
| 20:11.56 | ashka | yup, that works. thanks jmcnaught |
| 20:11.56 | unborn | ashka: I think so.. let it reboot after your touches and let world know ;) |
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| 20:13.28 | unborn | FranklY: - thanks for speaking in human language ;) |
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| 20:13.45 | FranklY | It's clear enough |
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| 20:15.16 | unborn | FranklY: yeah for us old folks perhaps it was not clear for younger generation.. - I shall learn a bit more about this topic ;) anyway have a top evening and once again - thank you. |
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| 20:17.44 | FranklY | Man I'm 17 :') |
| 20:17.55 | FranklY | foo != bar makes a hell of a lot of sense |
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| 20:19.33 | unborn | :) thank you FranklY I feel now like 200 years older haha - nah.. thanks that you did mentioned that su... I completely forgot about this. |
| 20:19.53 | FranklY | :D |
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| 20:20.38 | FranklY | Crap |
| 20:20.41 | FranklY | Broke my webserver |
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| 20:22.22 | unborn | FranklY: what about? |
| 20:22.39 | FranklY | lighttpd throws a 403 - Forbidden every time I try to access the page |
| 20:23.51 | unborn | FranklY: meh I am apache man.. im sorry meh..perhaps check the config file and error log file.. it will tell you whats broken.. |
| 20:24.11 | FranklY | I forgot to install php |
| 20:24.13 | FranklY | fml |
| 20:25.30 | unborn | FranklY: friendly tap on shoulders - you are moron ;) however restart the services after install.. i am not sure what server you are using but just in a case, restart would tell you where the problem is (if any is) |
| 20:25.46 | FranklY | Done |
| 20:25.52 | FranklY | Working now :D |
| 20:25.59 | unborn | FranklY: as I guessed :) |
| 20:26.15 | FranklY | I'm an idiot |
| 20:26.19 | FranklY | Now, how to set it up? |
| 20:26.24 | FranklY | hmmm |
| 20:26.27 | unborn | so no issues at all after all :) server are hot FranklY :) |
| 20:26.41 | unborn | set it up what? speak like human man |
| 20:26.49 | unborn | FranklY: ^^ |
| 20:26.53 | FranklY | Lol |
| 20:27.16 | FranklY | Autoindex PHP |
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| 20:28.24 | unborn | FranklY: as I said I am apache guy..means pure debian and apache however - if you would let me know what your server is using it self as an serving server I might be able to help :) |
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| 20:28.40 | unborn | tomcat? |
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| 20:28.55 | FranklY | debian/lighttpd/AutoIndex.php |
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| 20:32.17 | unborn | FranklY: its part of the apache however I have zero experience regards this server setup... which means I would not or better phrased words from me would be - sorry mate google. on my end is always apache.. I am so sorry I could not help you |
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| 20:33.10 | FranklY | unborn: Webserver is sorted lol, just pondering best config for autoindex |
| 20:33.54 | unborn | FranklY: then you sorted and ready to deploy :) what an excited times |
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| 20:34.55 | FranklY | unborn: Yeah but deploying is a pita |
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| 20:36.02 | unborn | FranklY: I like your language :) its not only deployment but much more.. yeah I can fee you |
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| 20:36.33 | FranklY | lol |
| 20:36.49 | FranklY | Oops, apparently php can't write to /var/www/html/ |
| 20:37.40 | unborn | permissons FranklY ^^^ check it first. I am hoping that you are not one of the php7 brainless ones :D |
| 20:37.51 | FranklY | I have no idea what I'm doing |
| 20:37.54 | FranklY | I use php5 |
| 20:38.10 | FranklY | Does php have a separate user I need to chmod it with? |
| 20:38.27 | unborn | frangor: usually = server as apache 1st then installing the rest |
| 20:38.39 | FranklY | lol |
| 20:38.53 | FranklY | How do I list users again? |
| 20:39.03 | unborn | FranklY: it should be asking you those questions durring the install.. at least on apache it does.. |
| 20:39.27 | FranklY | Yeah well, lighttpd doesn't exactly have an install |
| 20:39.57 | unborn | FranklY: then I am sorry.. at least have some coffee on me ;) |
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| 20:40.30 | FranklY | Hmmm, it doesn't appear to have it's own user |
| 20:40.53 | FranklY | ah www-data |
| 20:41.06 | unborn | FranklY: before hand you create one read the docs.. it will tell you much more |
| 20:41.17 | FranklY | Nope |
| 20:41.21 | unborn | ! always read docs on custom install |
| 20:41.22 | FranklY | Use apt-get and blaaaaaazzzzeeee |
| 20:41.29 | FranklY | It's not a custom install |
| 20:41.39 | FranklY | It's literally an apt-get install lighttpd |
| 20:42.08 | unborn | FranklY: yeah I know.. maybe you missed something important durring the install? |
| 20:42.22 | FranklY | No |
| 20:42.25 | FranklY | I didn't |
| 20:42.35 | FranklY | It needs after-install config for some stuff |
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| 20:43.07 | unborn | or perhaps I am completely motherless moron regards anything else like apache server.. the possibility is there..you know. :) |
| 20:43.19 | jmcnaught | FranklY: there's probably some helpful stuff in /usr/share/doc/lighttpd. I don't know lighttpd but it probably has one or two ways to use PHP, like a fastcgi module or with old CGI |
| 20:44.49 | FranklY | I have it sorted I think, no idea |
| 20:45.06 | unborn | :D |
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| 20:45.27 | FranklY | Oh bugger, I chown'd not chmod'd |
| 20:45.46 | unborn | FranklY: it would be best idea for you to first install this kind of poo in virtualbox or some kind.. |
| 20:45.50 | unborn | just for test. |
| 20:45.53 | FranklY | Nah, it's fine |
| 20:46.06 | unborn | great to hear that FranklY |
| 20:46.42 | FranklY | :D |
| 20:46.51 | FranklY | Man I have no idea what I'm doing |
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| 20:48.21 | unborn | FranklY: well then I am hoping that you will learn to do things and one day in future you could develop some apps for open sourced community :) anyway bash this server with your scripts - go for it man, it is waiting for it :) |
| 20:48.42 | unborn | I mean bashed that server - you all know what I mean meh |
| 20:49.23 | FranklY | I do script |
| 20:49.24 | FranklY | Sec |
| 20:49.30 | FranklY | pastebin.com/iCtrzbic |
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| 20:50.18 | unborn | FranklY: it wont work.. |
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| 20:50.39 | FranklY | unborn: Huh? |
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| 20:51.01 | unborn | did it worked for you FranklY ? |
| 20:51.17 | FranklY | unborn: What issues do you have with it? |
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| 20:52.19 | unborn | FranklY: nope no issues - just my httpS pay crap thingy up..sorry :D |
| 20:52.36 | FranklY | ;p; |
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| 20:52.47 | FranklY | How do I check what user lighttpd is running as? |
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| 20:53.14 | unborn | FranklY: huh? are you for real? |
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| 20:53.39 | unborn | well FranklY I am sure you can google this poo out |
| 20:53.58 | FranklY | Yeah but my internet is utter shite |
| 20:55.07 | FranklY | 120d/80u/1.429l |
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| 20:55.32 | unborn | FranklY: you are still here.. google is not different.. :) just dont be lazy fk - google it.. I know...you are milions miles away...ive been there.. - just do your job.. again - this is text so google is.. |
| 20:55.51 | FranklY | unborn: Google is intensive, this is not |
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| 20:56.38 | unborn | FranklY: well if is not then you should be happy with results you/ve got.. |
| 20:56.57 | FranklY | Hmmm, where to download 200GB of file to? /var/www/html/<files> seems a little daft |
| 20:57.48 | jmcnaught | FranklY: installing debian-reference and debian-handbook packages will put them on your computer, you can read up on the basics even if your connection is down |
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| 20:58.15 | FranklY | jmcnaught: I'm on WinDOS, and normally have a faster connection than storage drive |
| 20:58.24 | unborn | FranklY: ^^^ 200gb sounds fishy :) |
| 20:58.37 | FranklY | it's just isos and stuff |
| 20:58.38 | unborn | ah win ? whoot? |
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| 20:59.58 | unborn | FranklY: if you are on win I am sorry - but I cannot help you.. please read ms documetnation regards all your issues - I am hoping that you will have any luck since ms documentation is - poo. |
| 21:00.15 | FranklY | ffs |
| 21:00.22 | unborn | - now I understand when user say I have no idea. |
| 21:00.45 | jmcnaught | FranklY: both of those are available to download as PDFs at https://www.debian.org/doc/ along with other classics |
| 21:01.00 | FranklY | I run Win, ssh'd to my debian server, which runs lighttpd as a httpd, and I use a php based indexer |
| 21:01.45 | unborn | FranklY: its not about you are on windows or anything.. its just about - you can not replicate proper hosting with windows.. plus you cannot predict how the poo will beehive - nothing for me. |
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| 21:03.04 | unborn | if anything - I still dont understand why people still using THE WINDOWS.. im sorry FranklY . |
| 21:03.50 | jmcnaught | FranklY: the ps command can tell you about which user is running a process |
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| 21:04.40 | FranklY | All sorted! |
| 21:04.50 | FranklY | Turns out you need to be recursive on linux |
| 21:05.08 | FranklY | I like Windows, it works great on my laptop |
| 21:05.22 | unborn | FranklY: as I said....that is normal on linux.. abnormal in win |
| 21:06.01 | unborn | sure we love windows too.. it makes us money at least for me.. when I repair it |
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| 21:07.21 | unborn | FranklY: please consider proper linux install of your server in virtual environment otherwise I wish you good luck with tests :) |
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| 21:08.01 | FranklY | I did run it as a vm |
| 21:08.07 | unborn | jmcnaught: can you feel me? :) |
| 21:08.45 | FranklY | I ended up running "sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root" while the system was running to just kill it all |
| 21:08.45 | unborn | FranklY: cool. |
| 21:09.30 | jmcnaught | i dunno.. i don't see anything wrong with using the client OS of your choice though Debian is what i would recommend. anyways this sounds like #debian-offtopic territory |
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| 21:10.36 | FranklY | yeah |
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| 21:11.33 | unborn | jmcnaught: youre right there...well I was thinking all the time that I am supporting native issues with debian - which was not an case..never mind.. user is running his poo and hi is happy. |
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| 21:13.39 | FranklY | Man I just wanna wget to a specific destination filename but idek how and I can't find the documentation |
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| 21:14.44 | unborn | FranklY: shall I post you let me goolge it for you link or you would google it by your self? I have no idea how to do this on windows.. |
| 21:15.08 | FranklY | ffs, I'M NOT ON WINDOWS |
| 21:15.08 | jmcnaught | FranklY: "man wget" and then search for output. To search inside man, use the '/' key, type a pattern, hit <enter> |
| 21:15.36 | jmcnaught | unborn: if you don't feel like helping someone you do have the option of saying nothing |
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| 21:16.13 | FranklY | so wget -O http://remote.server/file.name /destination/file.name ? |
| 21:16.48 | fr34kyy | try wget -O /destination/filename http://remote.server/file.name |
| 21:16.55 | FranklY | That's it |
| 21:16.56 | unborn | jmcnaught: thank you for sharing your thoughts.. in past 9 years here, I shall listen to you - at least I shall learn.. thank you for noticing me for this.. |
| 21:16.58 | FranklY | I misread the doc |
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| 21:19.17 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/social_contract to me point 3 also means that we should be polite, encouraging and supportive of users of all abilities in this channel |
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| 21:21.17 | jmcnaught | however the Debian IRC guidelines say that people should read docs and try to figure stuff out on their own first. this should be respected, and encouraged with new and innovative phrasings of RTFM :) |
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| 21:22.18 | unborn | jmcnaught: you are right..! However I was polite all the time.. if not can you pass me the complain please? and yes - we SHOULD be.. anyway.. as I said I will rather learn from your words and knowledge. |
| 21:22.26 | unborn | - good night. |
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| 21:25.52 | unborn | ffs - cannot sleep till I will not finish js :D |
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| 21:32.39 | FranklY | Man why is my internet so slow?! |
| 21:32.46 | FranklY | Not even mine, server's being slow |
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| 21:33.37 | streulma | FranklY Do a speedtest http://www.speedtest.net |
| 21:33.45 | FranklY | Got 800 down |
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| 21:33.53 | FranklY | think it's the remote server being slow |
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| 21:36.07 | FranklY | Is it -x? |
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| 21:41.31 | iio7 | Why is it that Alien Arena is in non-free? Isn't it Open Source? |
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| 21:44.36 | zykotick9 | iio7: <just a guess> but i bet the program is free software, but the art is nonfree. debian is free-culture as well as free-software... |
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| 21:46.31 | CoJaBo | Does anyone know what would cause the touchpad to stop working after using the ctrl or alt keys? |
| 21:47.56 | iio7 | zykotick9, thanks! |
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| 22:06.32 | paule32_ | hello |
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| 22:08.22 | paule32 | i have create a live boot cd image |
| 22:09.14 | paule32 | then i would like install softwar, but getting this when dpkg -i libc6*.deb : |
| 22:09.35 | paule32 | ./tmp.ci/preinst: readlink not found |
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| 22:10.42 | paule32 | what can i do? |
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| 22:56.34 | chicken | hi I need to install a copy of debian so I can run diehard, does debian come with diehard? |
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| 22:57.34 | bazhang | chicken the game diehard through steam? |
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| 22:58.04 | bazhang | ,v diehard |
| 22:58.05 | judd | No package named 'diehard' was found in amd64. |
| 22:58.23 | chicken | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diehard_tests |
| 22:58.45 | bazhang | whats the package name |
| 22:59.19 | stoned | Haha, chicken, great nickname |
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| 23:01.38 | chicken | diehard |
| 23:01.46 | chicken | but I think i found it already |
| 23:01.50 | chicken | thnx stoned |
| 23:03.40 | transhuman__ | hi cherrypy depends on reprconf which no longer seems to exist. whats the best way to update cherrypy so it doesnt break the debian system? |
| 23:03.45 | transhuman__ | this is on jessie |
| 23:04.25 | transhuman__ | or is this best addressed in #python? |
| 23:05.23 | transhuman__ | this is the error http://paste.debian.net/434798/ |
| 23:06.23 | jmcnaught | transhuman__: if you're not using the cherrypy package provided by Debian you're probably better off asking the in #python |
| 23:06.45 | transhuman__ | ok thanks |
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| 23:56.21 | atannus | Has anyone noticed an R issue with the latest update to Stretch? |
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