| 00:00.14 | atannus | I can't plot anything in R and it's related to X11. Here's some output. I wonder if this is related to the lates updates since everything was working last night and today, update/upgrade broke something. http://paste.debian.net/434930/ |
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| 00:01.47 | atannus | Is #debian-next a more apropriate place to ask? |
| 00:02.25 | jmcnaught | atannus: for stretch it's probably a good habit to ask there first |
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| 01:05.10 | devster31 | are bind mounts the best solution if I wanted to move a big directory in another drive? like /srv |
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| 01:06.49 | jml2 | devster31, ?? |
| 01:08.00 | jml2 | devster31, you can use a symlink, but a "bind" map sometimes is better depending on how the application is looking at it.. I've seen some applications resolve the symlink which has the opposite effect that is intended |
| 01:09.24 | devster31 | the drive where /srv is on is quite small, it contains files for nginx and I didn't know I could symlink the entire /srv |
| 01:10.02 | jmcnaught | devster31: if you are using LVM and have unallocated space you can grow the /srv volume |
| 01:10.39 | devster31 | nothing like that I'm afraid, it's a home setup and I didn't plan it very well |
| 01:12.03 | jmcnaught | are you trying to merge another filesystem into where /srv is? that won't be possible without using something like aufs, which might not perform very well |
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| 01:12.50 | devster31 | no, just to move the folder in a bigger drive without messing too much stuff up |
| 01:12.58 | devster31 | both drives are ext4 |
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| 01:13.39 | jmcnaught | copying everything to the new filesystem and then mounting it to /srv is an option? |
| 01:13.57 | devster31 | yes, I assumed I needed to bind mount |
| 01:14.36 | jml2 | devster31, would be better to use mount bind .. dunno if that works across drives though |
| 01:14.37 | jmcnaught | if acting as the new /srv is the only thing this filesystem will be doing, i don't see why you would need a bind mount |
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| 01:15.28 | jml2 | devster31, but if you're doing it across a "drive", it is possible to mount it the "same" old path -- you can have two mountpoints for the same "root partition" |
| 01:15.52 | jml2 | devster31, i'm not sure of any technical implications with this.. though i don't think it would be too worrying |
| 01:16.12 | jml2 | devster31, if it was insane and too dangerous.. i think the system wouldn't allow it |
| 01:16.33 | jmcnaught | however you do it, make sure to document it somewhere so it makes sense when you look at it again six months from now |
| 01:16.33 | jml2 | devster31, but I think this means only for "bind" mountpoints.. |
| 01:16.42 | jml2 | devster31, I implied otherwise.. |
| 01:16.53 | jml2 | devster31, there's a variety of bind expressions ... |
| 01:17.56 | devster31 | alright, I'll try a bit in a vm see what happens, thanks |
| 01:17.58 | jml2 | devster31, how many root partitions are under /srv? just one? then that is very easy to do.. |
| 01:18.24 | jml2 | devster31, you just change the device path.... or assing the new UUID of that "root partition" again /srv |
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| 01:18.38 | jml2 | devster31, you're just updating the mapping, but the mapping target is still "/srv" |
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| 01:23.29 | zz | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
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| 01:23.47 | zz | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 01:23.58 | jml2 | lol |
| 01:24.00 | jml2 | yeah ;-) |
| 01:24.12 | jml2 | i shouldn't have to guess what he's trying .. |
| 01:24.34 | jml2 | zz, :) |
| 01:25.01 | jml2 | obviously "bind" is not what he's supposed to use -- it's an advanced topic that one needs to be specific as what he's mapping.. |
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| 01:25.06 | jml2 | yips |
| 01:25.45 | jml2 | zz, is that supposed to be a butt ? |
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| 01:31.11 | devster31 | right now I have https://bpaste.net/show/b2f7de3828bb in fstab, /dev/sdb is the new drive |
| 01:31.48 | devster31 | directory /srv is in /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 01:32.09 | jml2 | devster31, if you type "blkid" you'll get an UUID number, you can replace "/dev/sda1" with "UUID=XXXXX" in /etc/fstab --- occassionaly "/dev/sda" might be called "/dev/sdb" instead on reboots |
| 01:32.26 | jml2 | devster31, (and same with /dev/mmc* ) |
| 01:33.01 | jml2 | devster31, unless there's no UUID detection of mmc devices.. this looks like a rpi setup |
| 01:33.22 | jml2 | devster31, likely /dev/mmc* wont ever change so that doesnt really need to be changed.. |
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| 01:33.29 | jml2 | devster31, (as it is on-board) |
| 01:34.06 | jml2 | devster31, -- since you don't want to risk not being able to mount it on the start up.. you'll have to end up taking out the card... and fixing fstab again, so /dev/mmc* looks fine enough |
| 01:34.35 | jml2 | thinks he types too fast |
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| 01:36.36 | dongforce | I am evading a ban on this channel |
| 01:37.38 | devster31 | not a pi, but a similar board yes, I'll change the dev to the UUID, it seems short though, I get /dev/sda1: LABEL="160" UUID="D01C-A3F6" |
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| 01:38.18 | zinx | devster31: sounds like a FAT filesystem |
| 01:38.21 | jml2 | devster31, just make sure you can revert it, -- (take out the board and then reapply the fstab change back), if it cant boot.. |
| 01:38.49 | dongforce | Your filesystem has been consuming unusually large amounts of ice cream lately |
| 01:38.54 | jml2 | devster31, i dunnot about rpi-like boards-- but on standard debian you can use UUID for the root "/" mountpoints without issue |
| 01:38.59 | dongforce | it has therefore been converted to FAT |
| 01:39.16 | jml2 | dongforce, it's commont to see vfat on rpi-like boards.. |
| 01:39.32 | jml2 | dongforce, saves power/drive access to keep these systems "speedy" |
| 01:39.43 | devster31 | alright, I'll try thanks |
| 01:39.45 | dongforce | but it cannot be FAT like your mom unless it eats like your mom |
| 01:39.53 | jml2 | it means less security of course (no acl/unix permissions) -- but it is after-all rpi-like |
| 01:39.55 | devster31 | hence the ban reason |
| 01:40.00 | jml2 | yep |
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| 01:40.04 | jml2 | !ops dongforce evading ban |
| 01:40.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jml2 complains about: dongforce evading ban |
| 01:40.11 | dongforce | excuse me? |
| 01:40.15 | jml2 | ignores dongforce |
| 01:40.52 | jml2 | devster31, we can talk without him, just add him to /ignore.. looks like the ops are not around atm |
| 01:40.55 | dongforce | !ops jml2 making bullshit reports via the !ops command |
| 01:40.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dongforce complains about: jml2 making bullshit reports via the !ops command |
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| 01:41.07 | dongforce | easy |
| 01:41.09 | dongforce | no opping |
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| 01:42.00 | themill | jml2: thanks |
| 01:42.26 | jml2 | themill, thanks too :).. rarely i see them but it's still the weekend ;-) |
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| 01:43.06 | jml2 | it's a good channel.. and i like to see it clean. :) |
| 01:43.16 | jml2 | whispers "good" |
| 01:43.28 | jml2 | :)) |
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| 01:56.41 | ecrofgnod | whats the difference from a practical standpoint between ubuntu and debian? |
| 01:57.35 | jml2 | ecrofgnod, they both contribute back to the same packages.. it's matter of Desktop taste.. Ubuntu is easy to setup, but Debian takes a bit more learning to do |
| 01:57.36 | zinx | not a whole heck of a lot. the differences are mostly political and in how packages are maintained |
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| 01:57.56 | jml2 | ecrofgnod, also "Unity" is not available (or don't think ever will be) packaged in Debian.. |
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| 01:58.03 | ecrofgnod | okay |
| 01:58.17 | ecrofgnod | what exactly is that? |
| 01:58.24 | jml2 | ecrofgnod, the "package" repos used to be the "same" back a couple years ago.. this is no longer the case.. so mixing the repos is not adviced of course |
| 01:58.29 | themill | The support life-cycle including which packages are supported is quite different. |
| 01:58.32 | jml2 | !Unity |
| 01:58.32 | dpkg | Unity is a shell interface for <GNOME>, part of the Ayatana project. <RFP> filed as Debian bug #609278. http://unity.ubuntu.com/ |
| 01:58.34 | bdog7 | ecrofgnod, comunity vs comercial |
| 01:59.06 | ecrofgnod | ubuntu is open source and so is debian right? |
| 01:59.20 | jml2 | ecrofgnod, Ubuntu is a trademark owned by canonical |
| 01:59.30 | ecrofgnod | how can something completely free and having no ads be commercial |
| 01:59.44 | jml2 | ecrofgnod, you need permission to its name in Ubuntu derivatives if you carry it's name anywhere in your derivative project name |
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| 01:59.48 | bdog7 | yes, ubuntu takes a copy of debian testing to start their distro |
| 02:00.00 | jml2 | ecrofgnod, so there's more legal implications |
| 02:00.01 | zykotick9 | ecrofgnod: you can't run ubuntu in freedom. you _can_ run debian in freedom. |
| 02:00.04 | themill | ecrofgnod: you'd have to ask the ubuntu people about their rules for their packages and their business model |
| 02:00.36 | jml2 | ecrofgnod, also Canonical/Ubuntu are getting careless, they're melding "ZFS" non-GPL software together with GPL.. foss came out to denounce this practice.. |
| 02:00.41 | ecrofgnod | I personally can understand the reasoning provided the only restriction is on the name |
| 02:00.57 | jml2 | ecrofgnod, they're going down a dangerous path that can have legal implications |
| 02:01.14 | ecrofgnod | as you want to have a definition of ubuntu |
| 02:01.29 | ecrofgnod | not anything anyone posts and says "this is the new ubuntu distro" |
| 02:02.02 | jml2 | ecrofgnod, debian makes their official release as more-pure to "GPL" and "free" as possible, unlike what canonical/ubuntu is doing... M.Shuttleworth is trying to make a business in some IP-intellectual spin somewhere.. though nobody really knows what his plans are.. |
| 02:02.18 | jml2 | ecrofgnod, not even his own employees know exactly where Canonical is going.. |
| 02:02.50 | jml2 | ecrofgnod, there's some "closeness" to the way ubuntu/canonical runs.. (you just have to read their employee blogs saying how to move away from Windows 10 -> Ubuntu) --- now there's UBuntu on Windows 10. |
| 02:03.07 | ecrofgnod | but which is more widely supported by third party sofware? |
| 02:03.19 | themill | these sorts of questions don't really belong in #debian btw; irc doesn't handle them well, we don't really want to talk about other distros as the only way of making such comparisons is to criticise our colleagues and this channel is really for user support for Debian users. |
| 02:03.39 | jml2 | acrocity, hard to say.. that i don't know.. they both have a lot available (non-free is for debian, restricted/multerverse/etc is for ubuntu repos) |
| 02:03.39 | ecrofgnod | themill okay sorry |
| 02:03.58 | ecrofgnod | I guess ##linux would be a better neutral forum between distros |
| 02:04.12 | ecrofgnod | and also, themill, please read my nick backwards |
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| 02:04.42 | themill | ecrofgnod: you are assuming that didn't get flagged ages ago |
| 02:04.54 | jml2 | ecrofgnod, you can try anything you like and make the comparisons.. you'll see that debian offers great flexibility and doesn't lock you down with spyware.. like Canonical/Ubuntu did with their default Amazon/dock search box |
| 02:04.55 | ecrofgnod | "flagged" as in what? |
| 02:05.04 | jml2 | ecrofgnod, this is why I would rather advocate for debian... |
| 02:05.19 | jml2 | :))) |
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| 02:06.17 | jml2 | zykotick9, true |
| 02:06.28 | jml2 | zykotick9, debian==freedom absolutely :))) |
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| 02:11.24 | zykotick9 | jml2: well, optional freedom. /me wishes debian could jetison contrib/non-free to a 3rd party repo (a la deb-mulitimedia) |
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| 02:13.04 | bdog7 | I like contrib/non-free for firmware support |
| 02:13.28 | zykotick9 | bdog7: trust me... that's the popular opinion ;) |
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| 02:27.34 | anzu103_ | hola alguien habla español? |
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| 02:28.27 | anzu103_ | nadie? |
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| 02:34.11 | PryMar56 | aqui somos todos malditos |
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| 02:46.10 | awal1 | The whole content of 'lightdm' , /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, is commented. So which file lightdm uses? |
| 02:47.19 | awal1 | I'm trying to understand how to enable 'guest session' and I wonder if I just have to uncomment the line "# guest-account-script = Script to be run to setup guest account" in that config file? |
| 02:47.36 | awal1 | no clue :P |
| 02:48.02 | jml2 | awal1, auto-login? |
| 02:48.25 | jml2 | awal1, if a lightdm .conf is documented but not created in /etc/*.. then it is possible to use a newly created file |
| 02:48.34 | chicken | I'm writing an article comparing debian with other distros anyone wants to read it? : ) |
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| 02:48.46 | jml2 | awal1, i've done this but it was a while ago |
| 02:49.20 | jml2 | awal1, but anything else similar to this where a conf seems missing, you create one from scratch... restart the x11/lightdm server and the new config should be picked up |
| 02:49.57 | awal1 | jml2, auto login no. its an option called 'guest' listed in users. I have seen that in ubuntu/ubuntu based somewhere in the web |
| 02:50.33 | awal1 | login as guest , no changes can be made for in that session for anything |
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| 02:52.01 | awal1 | of course guest session doesnt need passwd |
| 02:53.04 | awal1 | commented here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM |
| 02:53.23 | awal1 | "disabling guest session" section |
| 02:53.44 | awal1 | disabling guest login ^ |
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| 02:55.54 | jmcnaught | awal1: what user will the guest session run as? |
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| 02:57.14 | karlpinc | awal1: gdm3 has something that allows a login without password. After a timeout it just logs in some specified user or another. Although last I looked was some years ago. |
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| 02:59.33 | awal1 | jmcnaught, karlpinc, I have no idea about all that. What I really want is , have an user/session where nothing can be changed. In that session the user that have loged in can not modify/add/create stuff in that machine. Some one told me it can be done via guest session/user. I dont really know |
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| 03:01.13 | awal1 | When I go to cyber-café, windows machines poepl log in as guests and all the modifications made for programs such as firefox, chrome and so are deleted when login out |
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| 03:01.53 | awal1 | configs are restored to default on each login |
| 03:03.01 | awal1 | so thinking on how I can do that in 1 of my machines that I share with some people sometimes |
| 03:05.12 | bdog7 | delete the user home configs on logout? |
| 03:06.33 | tjcarter | I have a URL that might explain how to do it aimed at Ubuntu, but the instructions should work for you, I'm checking it |
| 03:06.36 | jml2 | awal1, you'll have to read the docs, you likely(not sure) need to create some guest account for it |
| 03:06.44 | awal1 | then I have to configure all the apps every time I login :xD, bdog7 |
| 03:07.01 | jml2 | awal1, ther'es "kiosk" packages if this is what you mean |
| 03:07.19 | jml2 | awal1, kiosk are mant to be public-service machines but not keep resilience on the session data |
| 03:07.35 | tjcarter | awal1: There's a dir, /etc/skel |
| 03:07.57 | tjcarter | awal1: That's the default newly created user's home directory template |
| 03:08.06 | jmcnaught | the difference between ubuntu and debian for this is probably more than lightdm configuration |
| 03:08.31 | tjcarter | You'll basically want logout of the guest user to delete the home directory of the user and repopulate it with /etc/skel or some analogue |
| 03:09.10 | awal1 | guys, as jml2 said "not keep resilience on the session data" |
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| 03:10.14 | jml2 | awal1, if you search the package manager with keyword 'kiosk' you can find a package or two to help on this |
| 03:10.26 | jml2 | awal1, but i thinik the guest account is also supported somewhere with lightdm/gnome sessions |
| 03:11.42 | awal1 | tjcarter, the first time I see skel dir i my /etc, I have no idea about it |
| 03:11.44 | jml2 | awal1, btw a dirty trick is if you're at a road-block is using ~/.bash_logout to wipe files out just before the user exits entirely the session |
| 03:12.12 | jml2 | awal1, that's only used as a template for |
| 03:12.17 | jml2 | awal1, "~" |
| 03:12.41 | tjcarter | you might want to use a system-wide alternative to .bash_logout |
| 03:13.05 | jmcnaught | also i don't think ~/.bash_logout would be involved for a DM initiated X session |
| 03:13.25 | jml2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:14.14 | awal1 | nothing named kiosk or similar find by aptitude /apt here |
| 03:14.15 | tjcarter | You can use /etc/bash.bash.logout based on the user ID |
| 03:14.21 | jmcnaught | maybe there's a way to make a systemd user unit for just one user and put it in /etc/systemd/user, with an ExecStop= that runs a script removing stuff. I'm not exactly sure how to make it only work on one user though, it would require some experimenting |
| 03:15.05 | tjcarter | that might be better still |
| 03:16.05 | jmcnaught | during the experiment phase you could have the script create a harmless file, to make sure you don't suddenly delete your actual user's settings on logout |
| 03:16.06 | jml2 | awal1, you can set the "write" of ~/.bash_logout to "root" .. this way a user cannot try to (unlikely though) to alter this file.. |
| 03:16.33 | awal1 | hmmm, sounds all complicated for a novice I'm xD |
| 03:16.34 | jml2 | awal1, and have this exit script remove all files in except the two or three default bash logins.. and any .dmrc file |
| 03:16.39 | karlpinc | jml2: Check the bug tracking system. |
| 03:16.39 | jml2 | awal1, ? no |
| 03:16.44 | jml2 | awal1, it's easy.. |
| 03:17.07 | jml2 | awal1, you just add a user "foobar", chmod /home/foobar/.bash_logout .. then add rm statements to it.. |
| 03:17.13 | jml2 | awal1, chown i mean |
| 03:17.25 | jml2 | awal1, and disable any "write" access for other |
| 03:17.55 | jml2 | awal1, if you have "selectable" destkops.. I suppose ".dmrc" stores the last chosen Desktop preference... you can try to lock this file too |
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| 03:18.21 | awal1 | jml2, more clear now xD |
| 03:18.27 | jml2 | awal1, so it's like 3 files -> ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile , ~/.bash_logout and maybe something else ... but it would be trivial |
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| 03:20.05 | jml2 | the default is ~/.profile in debian.. |
| 03:20.32 | jml2 | awal1, you can even create "defaults" of things in ~/.profile if you so ever wish to.. and have this file write-only by the superuser as well |
| 03:20.41 | awal1 | that what I see in my homes yeah, .profile |
| 03:20.45 | jml2 | awal1, ... and then there's ~/.xsessionrc |
| 03:23.17 | awal1 | jml2, I think I have enough info now from where I must start and do things. thanks. I think it's a better way what you were explaining then have a gest session as in ubuntu / ubuntu based |
| 03:23.55 | awal1 | because it seems that the guest in those distros still have access to many stuff in home as normal user |
| 03:24.30 | awal1 | it a can modify iceweasel configs , for example, it seems |
| 03:26.47 | awal1 | jml2, thanks for all the info :) |
| 03:27.11 | awal1 | tjcarter, jmcnaught, jml2, +1 |
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| 03:29.15 | alexxey | Hello! My OS is debian testing. |
| 03:29.17 | alexxey | When I start Calibre I got "This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin 'xcb'." |
| 03:29.20 | alexxey | SMPlayer also has this problem. |
| 03:29.21 | alexxey | Any hint what is going wrong? Thanks! |
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| 03:30.08 | awal1 | alexxey, testing support is almost in #debian-next |
| 03:30.32 | alexxey | awal1, join #debian-testing redirects me here |
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| 03:30.56 | awal1 | #debian-next not testing |
| 03:31.41 | alexxey | Sorry I made a typo |
| 03:31.52 | alexxey | That channel is invite only? |
| 03:32.02 | awal1 | no |
| 03:32.04 | alexxey | Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only) |
| 03:32.14 | dvs | on oftc |
| 03:32.23 | awal1 | its in OFCT server no freenode |
| 03:32.29 | alexxey | Sorry I forgot that |
| 03:32.38 | alexxey | Sorry for the bother |
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| 04:14.01 | jim | hi... is pulseaudio something to be started and stopped? if so how? |
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| 04:14.38 | jim | running deb ian jessie (upgraded it yesterday) |
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| 04:18.39 | awal1 | jim, one way is using pactl |
| 04:19.27 | awal1 | pactl exit |
| 04:19.47 | awal1 | or pulseaudio --kill pulseaudio --start |
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| 04:21.05 | awal1 | pactl (pulseaudio control) |
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| 04:30.01 | jmcnaught | jim: checkout /etc/xdg/autostart/pulse*.desktop |
| 04:30.38 | jim | jmcnaught, thanks... |
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| 04:32.17 | jim | to any and all: if I alter the configuration files found in /etc/pulse/, would a subsequent upgrade of pulseaudio wipe my changes, and if so, how should I do it? |
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| 04:33.56 | jmcnaught | jim: those should be conffiles, so if a future package update has a newer version of those files you'll be prompted if you want to keep your, get the new one, or see the diff between the two |
| 04:35.46 | jmcnaught | jim: "dpkg --status <package>" can list conffiles for a package (and a lot more). |
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| 04:46.25 | jim | jmcnaught, thanks... how can I search for the package a particular conffile is for? |
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| 04:49.49 | jmcnaught | jim: "dpkg -S filename" should do it if the package is installed |
| 04:50.46 | jmcnaught | jim: i think i misunderstood your original pulseaudio question. yes you can restart it. it runs per user, so you can kill it and restart it "pulseaudio --start" as the user |
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| 04:52.14 | jim | ok... |
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| 04:54.22 | jim | not sure about this part, I have the 4 conffiles in /etc/pulse/, one belongs to libpulse0, the other three to pulseaudio... and as they're owned by root, the user can't change them (not a problem since I can become root easily enough) |
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| 04:55.16 | jim | but, those are conffiles, so I get those options when I upgrade those packages.. |
| 04:55.36 | jmcnaught | jim: there's also ~/.config/pulse for per-user settings |
| 04:56.05 | jim | ok, do I copy those four files to that dir? |
| 04:56.42 | jmcnaught | i guess it depends on what you're trying to do |
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| 04:57.53 | jim | ok, fair enough... what I'm trying to do is start jack with the alsa driver, and I think since pa is running, that makes alsa busy? |
| 04:59.36 | jmcnaught | there's a pasuspender that might help with that, but i'm not familiar with it. alsa also has the ability to let multiple programs share a soundcard, but suspending pulseaudio might be better while you're using jack |
| 05:02.55 | jim | trying to make them cooperative for the moment |
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| 05:04.29 | jmcnaught | you might be able to get them to share the soundcard with the ALSA dmix(?) feature, but you might not get the same latency you would if jackd doesn't have to share |
| 05:05.11 | jmcnaught | jim: https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Sharing_a_card_among_multiple_processes this is what i'm talking about |
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| 05:08.07 | shibly | Is there anything like ubuntu to install multimedia packages with one command? sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras |
| 05:08.58 | jim | you'd have to research that question I would think |
| 05:09.27 | jim | if you're talking ubuntu, maybe packages.ubuntu.com |
| 05:09.35 | BinBasher | as of lately I've been experiencing a wifi / iceweasel issue, sometimes iceweasel just disconnects but I have ping replies, no pages will load there until I resart my wifi. Does anyone know a fix? |
| 05:09.39 | jim | if debian, packages.debian.org |
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| 05:10.41 | TomTomTosch | shibly: i wouldn't trust anything to touch my sources. it makes sense to edit the sources.list by hand to have fine grained control. |
| 05:11.06 | jim | as far as I know, your net is either up or down for -all- executables, you don't have any control over which package can or can't get net |
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| 05:11.24 | shibly | Is there any command to install multimedia package on debian? |
| 05:11.33 | shibly | apt-get install ?? |
| 05:11.47 | jim | time to research that question. |
| 05:14.08 | shibly | Which package do you install to run .mp4, .rm, .mp3 files? |
| 05:14.22 | jim | vlc works |
| 05:14.38 | shibly | .avi |
| 05:14.40 | jim | I dunno about rm |
| 05:15.12 | jmcnaught | shibly: other video players like totem will depend on gsteamer-1.0-plugins-* packages that provide support for various file types |
| 05:15.58 | bdog7 | you might want gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly |
| 05:16.35 | jmcnaught | shibly: stuff like flash needs to be installed with their own packages (flashplugin-nonfree for example). for me a lot of this was installed automatically as part of the task-gnome-desktop package |
| 05:17.51 | shibly | jmcnaught, Flashplugin-nonfree is to play .flv on browser. |
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| 05:18.47 | markybob | shibly: he knows. you asked for multimedia. |
| 05:19.37 | jmcnaught | shibly: yes i know what it's for. from what i understand that ubuntu-restricted-extras package pulls in flash, codecs, microsoft fonts etc. there isn't an equivalent in Debian that I'm aware of. Most things are pulled in by dependencies of applications that need them, others like flash you need to install the package on its own |
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| 05:20.59 | TomTomTosch | shibly: the codecs for the things you asked above come with whatever player you choose. vlc or clementine or one of the other 500. |
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| 05:23.01 | shibly | I think, vlc, gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly , ffmpeg runs almost all files |
| 05:23.14 | shibly | run |
| 05:24.16 | shibly | smplayer is also good |
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| 05:24.52 | markybob | eh. i'd use mpv over smplayer |
| 05:25.25 | markybob | but yes vlc is good |
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| 05:27.37 | grantwu | How do I accurately determine the size of a file, even in the presence of filesystem compresssion? |
| 05:27.47 | grantwu | (In a way that doesn't involve parsing ls.) |
| 05:27.47 | jim | is there a guide to starting and stopping pulseaudio? I'm trying to get pa and jack to cooperate |
| 05:28.23 | jim | I have a ubuntu guide laying around somewhere... not trusting it too much. |
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| 05:30.22 | themill | grantwu: stat |
| 05:30.44 | Alam_Squeeze | jim: I thought you can route pulseaudio into JACK or use pasuspender to tell pulseaudio hand off the sound cards |
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| 05:32.09 | jim | right now, I'm trying to start jack, it's failing, I can't empty its messages so I can't tell where one attempt stops and another begins |
| 05:32.47 | jim | I don;t know why it;s failing, the messages contain info from a lot of attempts |
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| 05:35.58 | jim | if you want, I can pastebin the whole thing... |
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| 05:44.50 | jim | you may notice I'm not committing a whole lot of effort, and you'd be right... I just don't know what to do next |
| 05:45.01 | grantwu | themill: Thanks |
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| 05:46.29 | jim | tell me something to read; I'll read it... or, somethign to look at... want my kernel version? my hardware? not a problem... |
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| 05:56.20 | Abbott | is there something I can do to completely wipe my machine remotely? Like revert to a clean image of debian? |
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| 05:57.14 | jmcnaught | Abbott: backup files you want to keep and reinstall |
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| 05:57.36 | jim | sure, I guess... of course, doing so would be an extreme action, especially by remote |
| 05:57.40 | Abbott | jmcnaught: how would i reinstall remotely? |
| 05:57.50 | Abbott | or are you saying I can't |
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| 05:58.02 | jim | how did you install in the first place? |
| 05:58.36 | jim | I'm just saying, since it's an extreme action, you should be careful |
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| 06:00.37 | jim | what if you contacted your provider, had him give you a new vm, set it up the way you want, then have your provider swap it (and keep the storage for the old one so you can mount it and copy whatever across, or download it or whatever |
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| 06:02.24 | jim | once you're done with the old storage, tell the provider that, and you'd have a brand new system, and have the old one backed up |
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| 06:03.33 | jim | remotely just nuking it is risky... |
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| 06:15.13 | MisterGadfly | I'm slightly confused. Does the unstable repo have these security updates thingy? |
| 06:15.59 | themill | !sid security |
| 06:15.59 | dpkg | There is no security support for unstable (sid) at all. Uploads of new packages that fix security vulnerabilities are handled in the same way as any other new version -- this means it's up to the maintainer to do a new upload and you (perhaps) to reconfigure services to cope with the new version. This is one of the reasons unstable is not suitable for day-to-day use in many situations. Also ask me about <moving target>. |
| 06:16.25 | themill | (and if you didn't know that already, ask yourself whether you know enough about Debian to go anywhere near sid) |
| 06:16.51 | MisterGadfly | themill: thanks |
| 06:17.27 | jim | how would anyone know themselves whether they know enough? |
| 06:18.10 | jim | "ohhhh, THATS what sharp means!" |
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| 07:57.27 | maxy | hm, lists.debian.org and wiki.debian.org are down |
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| 07:57.57 | Guest5540 | ;/ |
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| 07:58.01 | Guest5540 | is problem... |
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| 07:58.22 | themill | maxy: yes, scheduled downtime |
| 07:58.33 | maxy | ah |
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| 15:56.14 | n-iCe | disc1 is gnome3? right? |
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| 16:00.32 | TomTomTosch | n-iCe: gnome-core is in amd64 DVD-1 or CD-2 |
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| 16:01.07 | n-iCe | TomTomTosch: ok ok thanks, downloaded disc 1, what would be the difference between disc 1 and 2 then TomTomTosch |
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| 16:02.37 | TomTomTosch | n-iCe: the first disc cintains the installation and most important packages. disc 2 and following contain further packages ordered by importance. |
| 16:02.56 | n-iCe | TomTomTosch: thanks. |
| 16:03.01 | n-iCe | TomTomTosch: you use gnome |
| 16:03.25 | TomTomTosch | n-iCe: no, but gnome is very popular. |
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| 16:04.50 | n-iCe | ok |
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| 16:06.30 | TomTomTosch | n-iCe: if your computer has a working internet connection, the netinst is all you need. |
| 16:06.56 | TomTomTosch | n-iCe: it will install Gnome and whatever you select during the installation. |
| 16:07.06 | n-iCe | TomTomTosch: tried it, did the cp .iso to sdb, and when the installation came to cd detection, says cd was not working |
| 16:07.10 | n-iCe | that's why I downloaded the whole iso |
| 16:08.01 | TomTomTosch | D: |
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| 16:15.33 | east` | anyone using his debian with vmware workstation/fusion ? |
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| 16:52.02 | debiannew | Hi |
| 16:52.20 | debiannew | How can i set my WiFi pass in low case using iwconfig |
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| 16:53.36 | debiannew | ?? |
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| 16:57.09 | mtn_ | debiannew: I don't think you can. that is not the correct tool to use |
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| 16:57.24 | debiannew | O.o |
| 16:57.48 | mtn_ | debiannew: man iwconfig to see how to use the command |
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| 16:59.04 | jmcnaught | debiannew: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
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| 16:59.57 | debiannew | So |
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| 17:00.03 | debiannew | Is ir posible ir not |
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| 17:00.14 | debiannew | Im stuck in the instllatiin |
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| 17:00.25 | debiannew | Can u guys give me a hand |
| 17:00.44 | jmcnaught | debiannew: describe the problem you're having |
| 17:01.04 | debiannew | Just did |
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| 17:01.09 | debiannew | Just did |
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| 17:02.18 | jmcnaught | debiannew: the installer will prompt you for a WPA passphrase in its menus, maybe you could provide more details, less carriage returns? |
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| 17:02.30 | debiannew | What? |
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| 17:02.37 | debiannew | I hace Just terminal |
| 17:02.42 | debiannew | No desktop |
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| 17:03.31 | debiannew | Thats why i ask That |
| 17:03.31 | debiannew | Is it posible or not |
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| 17:04.03 | exedore6 | I misse dthe beginning of your problem debiannew - what kind of wireless network are you connecting to, WPA or WPA-PSK? |
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| 17:04.32 | debiannew | Dont know if it matters |
| 17:04.34 | jmcnaught | debiannew: you can connect to wifi using the command line, i provided you with a link showing how to do it. if you're in the debian installer, it will ask for your passphrase and connect on its own. |
| 17:04.36 | debiannew | Wpapsk |
| 17:04.43 | teraflops | Iwconfig does not do WPA. Just keep. So use wpasupplicant |
| 17:04.43 | debiannew | So i cant |
| 17:04.45 | debiannew | Thanks |
| 17:04.54 | teraflops | Wep* |
| 17:05.09 | debiannew | Installation failed |
| 17:05.25 | debiannew | In order to configurate software |
| 17:05.26 | teraflops | debiannew: yes you can. use wpasupplicant |
| 17:05.33 | debiannew | Maybe iso is wrong |
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| 17:06.01 | jmcnaught | debiannew: were you prompted by the installer about missing firmwares? |
| 17:06.14 | debiannew | No |
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| 17:07.13 | jmcnaught | debiannew: did the installer ask you to select an SSID and enter the PSK? how did you end up on the command line? |
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| 17:08.02 | benycze | Hi all .. i have one quesiont. I am using the chromium browser and I am not able to play any videos (on youtube for example). Do you have similar problem? |
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| 17:09.00 | jelly | debiannew: also, did you use the unofficial image(s) with wifi firmware included? |
| 17:09.03 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 17:09.03 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 17:12.19 | awal1 | benycze, same issue here, yes ; (even if it's a sid machine) |
| 17:12.55 | benycze | awal1: Have you try to solve it? |
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| 17:14.30 | awal1 | benycze, sure, but I haven't find a solution. firefox (iceweasel) plays fine html5/adobe flash content on youtube but not chromium. chromium plays all everywhere, but nothing in youtube. I really have no idea |
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| 17:15.27 | awal1 | for find a solution, one have to find the cause first ... |
| 17:15.35 | benycze | awal1: I will move deeper to problem. Time to recompile the package :) |
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| 17:16.08 | awal1 | good luck, benycze |
| 17:16.47 | tme5 | chromium uses gstreamer? |
| 17:16.58 | tme5 | or it's own media thing? |
| 17:17.11 | awal1 | benycze, which architecture ? |
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| 17:18.35 | benycze | tme5: I am not sure if chromium is using gstreamer ... I think that it is using its own media thing. |
| 17:18.41 | mtn_ | benycze: awal1: chromium works quite well on youtube |
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| 17:19.49 | benycze | mtm_: For me .. it is just playing sounds and no video at all. My version is 50.0.2661 .. from debian repo |
| 17:19.49 | awal1 | mt_, not here (v. 50.0.2661.75-1) |
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| 17:20.25 | awal1 | ,v chromium |
| 17:20.26 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 49.0.2623.108-1~deb8u1; stretch: 49.0.2623.108-1; jessie-security: 50.0.2661.75-1~deb8u1; sid: 50.0.2661.75-1 |
| 17:20.29 | mtn_ | awal1: must be something wrong with that version, then. chromium has always worked fine for youtube |
| 17:20.48 | r6ku | yes, chromium is borked on sid, didn't your read what apt-listbugs told you? :/ |
| 17:21.02 | mtn_ | silly sid users |
| 17:21.04 | awal1 | mtn_, sid version here yes; started with that problem since yesterday after last update |
| 17:21.14 | benycze | mtn_: agree. It was working fine .. maybe .. it is time to move on google-chrome :D |
| 17:21.28 | mtn_ | benycze: if you want things to work, use stable |
| 17:21.38 | awal1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:22.35 | benycze | mtn_: I am using stable. The update comes as the security update |
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| 17:22.55 | awal1 | r6ku, no advices by apt-listbugs about this specific issue |
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| 17:23.04 | winsen | hi all |
| 17:23.30 | mtn_ | benycze: unusuall for them to break it for stabe |
| 17:23.32 | mtn_ | stable |
| 17:23.35 | r6ku | awal1: well, that's what I got when I updated chromium yesterday |
| 17:23.42 | winsen | does anyone how to fix the following issue: W: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 17:23.44 | jmcnaught | chromium 50.0.2661.75-1~deb8u1 plays youtube fine for me on jessie |
| 17:24.01 | awal1 | r6ku, got whatexactly? |
| 17:24.15 | mtn_ | winsen: chrome no longere supports 32bit |
| 17:24.30 | r6ku | awal1: the notice about the bug that says chromium crashes on video https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=821154 |
| 17:24.31 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/821154 in chromium (open, confirmed, help): «chromium: crashes on video»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-04-16; last modified: 2016-04-16. |
| 17:24.32 | potus | iceweasel works fine for me. |
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| 17:24.51 | winsen | mtn: do you mean that I should correct by "amd64é? |
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| 17:25.02 | winsen | mtn: do you mean that I should correct by "amd64"? |
| 17:25.18 | mtn_ | winsen: is your debian install 32 or 64? |
| 17:25.25 | benycze | judd: Yeap ... already found it ... it is reported. I hope they will fix it fast. I like chromium |
| 17:25.33 | winsen | mtn: 64 |
| 17:25.41 | frusen | hi, anyone know how i can find which, if any, package contains `libncursesw.so.6' |
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| 17:25.55 | mtn_ | winsen: then install the 64bit version instead of the 32bit version |
| 17:26.17 | awal1 | r6ku, ok. I have upgraded before that bug being reported xD |
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| 17:27.31 | benycze | frusen: You can use apt-file tool |
| 17:27.44 | winsen | mtn: should I add this to repository: "deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main" |
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| 17:28.23 | frusen | benycze, problem is my system is broke :) |
| 17:28.51 | frusen | i cannot do much, many programs are complaining about that library |
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| 17:31.00 | jmcnaught | frusen: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages has a search for contents of packages. are you using any third party repositories? |
| 17:32.06 | frusen | yes https://pkg.tox.chat/debian |
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| 17:32.37 | dionysus69 | are there premade debian setups like kodiubuntu for home media server solution? |
| 17:32.51 | jhutchins_wk | frusen: curses is usually a console menuing system. |
| 17:33.18 | jhutchins_wk | frusen: Have you considered packages.debian.org? |
| 17:33.23 | frusen | yes, i know what curses is, what i want to do is to find a .deb, extract it, so i get the system running |
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| 17:33.33 | frusen | many basic things does not work |
| 17:33.38 | jmcnaught | frusen: well something from that repo or another third party repo has software in it that is linked to a library that doesn't exist in Debian |
| 17:33.41 | jhutchins_wk | frusen: Lack of curses shouldn't keep a system from working. |
| 17:34.07 | DJRWolf | is there an ISO that is just one big one that you can put on a 16 GB thumb drive? |
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| 17:34.25 | winsen | mtn: I don't understand, it's already what I have 64bit. |
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| 17:34.52 | frusen | jmcnaught, thanks, i will look into it, didn't think of that one. i'll return if i cannot solve it |
| 17:34.59 | teraflops | yeah that's what happens when you play with libncurses sonce a lot oh thing are build against that library you does not have any more |
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| 17:35.03 | mtn_ | winsen: I would recommend going to the google chrome site to see what they want you to do |
| 17:35.19 | teraflops | since a lot of things* |
| 17:35.23 | jmcnaught | winsen: are you using multi-arch? that would cause apt to fetch sources for i386 if you've added it as a foreign architecture |
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| 17:37.17 | jmcnaught | dionysus69: there are Debian blends, and the Debian Multimedia blend has a task that includes Kodi. |
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| 17:38.07 | jmcnaught | frusen: you may have created a frankendebian, maybe take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian for some tips on how not to break a Debian system |
| 17:38.09 | dionysus69 | jmcnaught: thanks I ll take a look at multimedia. Also if I am planning to use regular pc with it and I want to buy a custom remote, how would custom remote communicate with pc if you know ? |
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| 17:40.12 | jmcnaught | dionysus69: probably using software like lirc. i don't know kodi but it might have some sort of integration that helps set that up |
| 17:40.17 | r6ku | dionysus69: http://kodi.wiki/view/Remote_controls |
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| 17:40.46 | dionysus69 | thanks :) |
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| 17:41.46 | DJRWolf | is there an ISO that is just one big one that you can put on a 16 GB thumb drive? I would prefer not having to have 3 separate thumb drives to install it |
| 17:41.50 | okee | Does anyone know what the Debian file name is for flow-linux640-latest.zip??? |
| 17:42.21 | tjcarter | "flow-linux640-latest.zip" |
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| 17:42.37 | tjcarter | unless you're asking a different question |
| 17:42.50 | tjcarter | kinda misses dselect. |
| 17:43.05 | tjcarter | it always had a certain pathological charm to it ;) |
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| 17:47.12 | jmcnaught | DJRWolf: if you have broadband you can just use the netinst image. very unlikely you would need all thee DVD isos |
| 17:49.14 | winsen | can you please tell how to fix the following error: "deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main" thanks |
| 17:50.04 | winsen | can you please tell how to fix the following error: "W: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)"thanks |
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| 17:50.20 | DJRWolf | jmcnaught ok, thank you |
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| 17:50.39 | stoned | Tried everything, my config is fine, but Xorg crashes when Xinerama is enabled w/ nvidia. On old gpu this wasn't a problem. |
| 17:50.58 | stoned | Remember I had all 6 monitors working in debian on gtx 275, same nvidia-driver package from stable |
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| 17:51.14 | stoned | Now same config, same driver, same everything, but GTX 760, and now it crashes. |
| 17:51.20 | stoned | *sigh* |
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| 18:14.39 | r6ku | winsen: not seeing anything related to chrome there, maybe it's in sources.list.d directory? |
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| 18:20.27 | markybob | winsen: chrome doesn't do 32-bit |
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| 18:20.41 | mtn_ | and it starts again |
| 18:21.04 | markybob | i just got here. *shrug* |
| 18:21.26 | mtn_ | markybob: no prob, maybe you will have better luck ;) |
| 18:21.45 | markybob | mtn_: nah i trust you |
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| 18:27.52 | maxperformance | i have an old laptop and would like to know how i can maximise its video card performance. lspci says: VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV250/M9 GL [Mobility FireGL 9000/Radeon 9000] (rev 01) |
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| 18:31.24 | maxperformance | anyone? |
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| 18:35.24 | winsen | markybob: I am still runing chrome under debian 64, I don't understand why I get that error? |
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| 18:39.03 | okee | How do i get rid of the files that have the dot in front of them, under the user account. Other people report they don't have this problem, but this is what I ended up with after upgrading to Jessie. |
| 18:40.06 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 18:40.08 | Azrael_- | if i run a command in the cronjob and one using the command line i get different results. both commands are called using "sudo" and changed to the same user but i don't know where there are any more differences and how i could replicate the behaviour in cron. any hints? |
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| 18:41.43 | jmcnaught | okee: which file(s) do you have a problem with? |
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| 18:42.13 | markybob | Azrael_-: cronjob would use sh (which is dash), not bash. but i have to go. hope you can figure it out from that |
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| 18:42.38 | jmcnaught | Azrael_-: instead of using sudo in the script, could you simply put the script in that user's crontab? or put it in /etc/crontab which lets you specify the user? |
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| 18:45.05 | okee | jmcnaught> https://imgur.com/vcyVKZY These files are not really a problem, but they do add clutter, and slow things down a bit, when I am searching for something. |
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| 18:46.26 | okee | jmcnaught> My other files that are not started with a dot, are directly below the dot files. |
| 18:46.55 | jmcnaught | okee: you could simply delete the ones you don't need one by one in your file manager. even better, move them to a different directory in case you need them later. |
| 18:47.19 | jmcnaught | okee: or set whichever filemanager that is to not show hidden files |
| 18:48.01 | okee | jmcnaught> Probably using the filemanager to not show the hidden files is the best option. Thanks for the feedback. |
| 18:48.23 | maxperformance | btw, i installed xorg and was running X on the laptop before asking here |
| 18:48.46 | okee | jmcnaught> Also, do you know which file in the repos is for Selemium-java? I don't see it, but would be surprised if it isn't there. |
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| 18:50.23 | jmcnaught | maxperformance: your GPU might perform better with the firmware installed. did you look at https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo ? I dont' recommend using the proprietary drivers because they don't work with Gnome and possibly other desktops, but they are an option |
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| 18:51.33 | jmcnaught | okee: did you search on https://packages.debian.org/ ? it might not be packaged |
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| 18:52.34 | maxperformance | jmcnaught, i am running MATE and do not want to install any non free stuff |
| 18:52.41 | okee | jmcnaught> I searched using apt-cache search selenium-java and selenium* |
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| 18:53.35 | jmcnaught | maxperformance: i understand that. if X is working without the firmware, don't bother with it. |
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| 18:54.50 | maxperformance | jmcnaught, are you saying that there is no way to improve 2D performance on my laptop without using nonfree firmware? |
| 18:55.02 | r6ku | perform better with the firmware is an understatement, you don't get hardware rendering without it |
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| 18:56.43 | maxperformance | r6ku, are you talking to me? |
| 18:56.52 | Azrael_- | jmcnaught: if i add it to the cronjob of the user with "crontab -e -u <myuser>" it isn't executed and i don't see any messages |
| 18:56.58 | jmcnaught | maxperformance: take a look at the wiki page i linked to. note that non-free firmwares while not ideal are loaded on to the GPU, not the same thing as running non-free drivers (like fglrx) on the CPU. lots of free drivers require non-free firmwares, especially wifi adapters |
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| 18:57.53 | jmcnaught | Azrael_-: did you try using /etc/crontab? |
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| 18:58.16 | iio7 | Is it possible to use PlayDeb on Debian - if yes, how? |
| 18:58.35 | maxperformance | thanks to the people who replied |
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| 19:02.05 | jmcnaught | iio7: that looks like it's for Ubuntu. Ubuntu repos are not compatible with Debian. |
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| 19:04.46 | awal1 | I dont understand why debian collaborate with ubuntu; relations should end |
| 19:06.28 | awal1 | almost all ubuntu pkgs are gotten from debian, and the reverse is at minimums... |
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| 19:12.08 | awal1 | the only interesting pkg made by ubuntu is 'lightdm'. but now we have 'sddm', lighter then lightdm («---- install sddm sddm-theme-maui or another theme for avoid breeze theme and kde deps/recommends) |
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| 19:14.06 | tjcarter | lightdm originates with Ubuntu? |
| 19:14.10 | tjcarter | wasn't aware of that |
| 19:14.36 | markybob | !ot |
| 19:14.37 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 19:15.07 | zinx | tjcarter: pretty sure it doesn't |
| 19:15.19 | tjcarter | yeah |
| 19:15.35 | tjcarter | I didn't think so, which is why I'm like ... orly? |
| 19:16.14 | markybob | it doesnt. still off topic |
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| 19:20.23 | tjcarter | markybob: okay, it's been more than a decade since I was a Debian developer, so nothing I say really matters, but responding to something said in THIS channel in ANOTHER channel that the person who said it isn't in ... is probably absolutely ridiculously not helpful to anybody on the planet. And cracking the whip the moment anything said veers from the topic does not keep things moving smoothly and on topic |
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| 19:20.25 | tjcarter | either. |
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| 19:21.05 | markybob | tjcarter: i didn't do that. i'm only in one channel. this one. |
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| 19:21.35 | markybob | tjcarter: i don't know how you got that idea. seriously. |
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| 19:22.52 | tjcarter | and the person who made the comment was in this channel. My response questioning it was likewise also in this channel, as was the confirmation that the initial assertion was incorrect. That was four lines. Already more has been said about the off-topicness of the off-topicness than was said that was off-topic in the first place, so I'll leave it at that. |
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| 19:26.56 | tjcarter | Anyway, I've been trying to rewrite Raspple II's udev rules so that it behaves intelligently on Debian systems, but still does "magic" on RPi. If someone is particularly udev-savvy, I'd appreciate a look |
| 19:27.07 | tjcarter | https://github.com/RasppleII/a2cloud/issues/27#issuecomment-211088074 |
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| 19:27.55 | tjcarter | with all that goto crap I feel lime I'm working ON the Apple in basic. :P |
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| 20:01.02 | stoned | When I enable Xinerama, Xorg crashes (nvidia 340.xx driver in stable on GTX GTX 760). However. http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.125/README/xineramaglx.html states that nvidia supports Xinerama, so the problem must be something else. Not sure how to pin point it. |
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| 20:01.45 | stoned | If I disable Xinerama, and define 4 screens, 4 devices, 4 monitors I can get each of them up, but no window dragging etc. |
| 20:02.16 | stoned | Any idea how how/where to figure out what's causing the problem if it's not nvidia driver? |
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| 20:41.36 | FranklY | man I wish I could regex |
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| 20:48.35 | pedrito | what's the best way to remove a meta package alone, leaving its deps, and then later remove unwanted deps? |
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| 20:49.24 | pedrito | or, alternatively: 1) what's the best way to remove a meta package alone? 2) what's the best way to remove no-longer-dep'd deps? |
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| 20:56.26 | FranklY | Given a list of urls, what's the easiest way to parse them and wget them into specific directories? |
| 20:57.56 | musca | FranklY: sounds like a perfect question for #wget |
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| 20:59.03 | musca | for a start: -i file Read URLs from a local or external file. |
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| 21:00.56 | hermitanio | How could I install Debian to a large number of computers in a small amount of time with a slow internet connection? Can I install from a local mirror? Can I share the installer .iso over lan somehow? This is for a 3 hour workshop. |
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| 21:02.51 | musca | !netboot |
| 21:02.52 | dpkg | [netboot] a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. http://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall - not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst>. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>, <open firmware>. |
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| 21:03.33 | hermitanio | Thank you musca |
| 21:03.34 | musca | !preseed |
| 21:03.34 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 21:04.16 | teraflops | if you internet is slow but you network doesn't consider pxe or a local mirror I suppose |
| 21:04.22 | teraflops | your* |
| 21:04.38 | cra1g321 | don't* |
| 21:05.08 | hermitanio | I don't know if the internet connection at the venue will be good or not, so I want something reliable |
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| 21:06.55 | FranklY | PXE it |
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| 21:07.22 | Pablo^^ | hello |
| 21:07.25 | FranklY | PXE installing is a piece of cake, doesn't even require a powerful server in most cases |
| 21:08.34 | FranklY | I mean, even I managed to do it, and that's saying something |
| 21:09.41 | hermitanio | cool, sounds like the way to go |
| 21:10.36 | toruvinn | hermitanio, if they're kinda similar configurations, you could probably just dd the partitions over lan to other PCs and reconfigure the IP (if it's not dhcp) + hostname there... that's the easiest and probably the fastest way, as you only download the packages once. |
| 21:10.45 | FranklY | ewwwww |
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| 21:10.46 | Pablo^^ | I have debian 7.10 with xfce , and I'm tring to connect it to the access point wifi |
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| 21:11.06 | FranklY | Pablo^^: use the wifi thing under the "Internet" tab |
| 21:11.18 | Pablo^^ | the wifi is recognized , and I installed networkmanager |
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| 21:11.50 | Pablo^^ | FranklY I haven't this icon |
| 21:12.12 | FranklY | Pablo^^: Huh, I don't have a debian desktop to check |
| 21:12.47 | Pablo^^ | I do a screenshot and past here the link a moment pls |
| 21:12.48 | hermitanio | toruvinn: in this case it's byoc, and part of the point of the workshop is to teach people to install debian, so I won't really need the preseeding or such |
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| 21:13.47 | hermitanio | Is there a way for the user of a system installed over pxe to verify that the image being installed is signed? |
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| 21:15.04 | markybob | that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen |
| 21:15.12 | FranklY | hermitanio: I don't like the sound of that |
| 21:15.14 | markybob | byoc...no accounting for firmwares |
| 21:15.22 | markybob | jesus. just do a powerpoint |
| 21:15.46 | Pablo^^ | under internet menu I have : browser web cromium , Iceweals , Remmina , xchat , zenmap |
| 21:15.51 | teraflops | markybob: lel |
| 21:16.12 | FranklY | That's gonna end badly |
| 21:16.27 | FranklY | 1) PXE only really works with pre-seeding |
| 21:16.36 | FranklY | 2) PXE only works on a wired connection with DHCP |
| 21:16.44 | Pablo^^ | what is the front-and for networkmanager ? |
| 21:16.49 | teraflops | Pablo^^: afaik "that icon" it uses networkmanager |
| 21:16.52 | FranklY | 3) Why not just buy USB sticks en-masse and burn ISOs? |
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| 21:17.27 | teraflops | so nm applet or similar sorry for being so vague |
| 21:17.43 | Pablo^^ | teraflops what icon please ? |
| 21:18.11 | markybob | it should look like a cell phone signal bar next to the clock |
| 21:18.18 | teraflops | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.23 | Pablo^^ | the alternative is use the command line with iw* command, but I haven't this skill |
| 21:18.40 | teraflops | Pablo^^: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 21:19.00 | FranklY | uses gigabit fibre because he's lazy |
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| 21:21.14 | Pablo^^ | teraflops ok thx , but what use for example ubuntu to scan all thw wifi network ? |
| 21:21.33 | teraflops | idk |
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| 21:21.50 | markybob | this isn't #ubuntu |
| 21:21.51 | Pablo^^ | I must install : apt-get install network-manager-gnome ? |
| 21:22.13 | markybob | generally yes |
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| 21:22.59 | teraflops | Pablo^^: if you want wifi in a laptop that is moving all the time I'd recommend networknamager, if it's a pc or similar /etc/network/interfaces or just systemd-networkd is fine |
| 21:23.42 | FranklY | > not bitbanging the USB port for the WiFi card |
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| 23:21.18 | DDR | Bit of an odd question here, but does anyone know what the (really old) flame-in-a-box picture is called? I think it looks something like this, but red: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/102144 |
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| 23:22.57 | stoned | back, was jumpig on my bed. yeah, Xinerama is slow, but hey, at least it stiches multiple gpus into one virtual display. |
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| 23:23.19 | stoned | The only reason to use Xinerama is if you have multiple video cards and want one combined desktop |
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| 23:39.59 | teraflops | DDR: looks like cacafire or something like that |
| 23:40.08 | awwal | I dont know you guys, but I get disconnected from freenode repeatedly and it takes sometimes a few minutes to reach the server and debian channels. All perfect with OCTF |
| 23:41.12 | teraflops | awwal: freenode is having issues or at least it had yesterday |
| 23:41.28 | markybob | they have issues often |
| 23:41.32 | teraflops | Heh |
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| 23:42.11 | DDR | Cool demo. |
| 23:42.29 | teraflops | DDR: libcaca is cool |
| 23:43.12 | awwal | ok, I get confused usually if it's my nickname or because I use ssl connection or freenode troubles. Why not just move this channel to OFTC and call it debian2 |
| 23:43.27 | awwal | xD |
| 23:43.58 | teraflops | awwal: who knows. But you better use sasl anyway |
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| 23:44.59 | awwal | teraflops, probably I 'll use sasl yeah or any other alternative and see if something changes. |
| 23:45.23 | cmtptr | what do you guys like for auto-connecting to available (configured, of course) wireless networks? preferably something that I would manage from the cli or, even better, with /etc/network/interfaces.d style files |
| 23:45.26 | awwal | too much passwd's every where, everytime; hard to remember them all |
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| 23:46.11 | teraflops | Sasl is fine. It fixes rejoining and switching from unregistered to registered user |
| 23:46.46 | awwal | ok |
| 23:46.59 | teraflops | cmtptr: nmtui |
| 23:47.35 | awwal | nmtui? |
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| 23:47.59 | teraflops | CLI curses interface for networkmanager |
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| 23:48.04 | awwal | ,v nmtui |
| 23:48.05 | judd | No package named 'nmtui' was found in amd64. |
| 23:48.20 | teraflops | Handy as hell and easy to use |
| 23:48.33 | teraflops | It's in networmanager |
| 23:48.38 | awwal | oh, ok |
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| 23:50.00 | cmtptr | nmtui being the network-manager cli? |
| 23:50.35 | cmtptr | I'll give it a try, thanks |
| 23:50.37 | bazhang | ,v nm-cli |
| 23:50.38 | judd | No package named 'nm-cli' was found in amd64. |
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| 23:51.10 | teraflops | cmtptr: nope. Nmcli is other thing |
| 23:51.11 | awwal | wicd works better for me here (wifi almost all the time) |
| 23:51.48 | hamersaw | anybody have a goto tutorial on custom kernel compilation? |
| 23:52.05 | teraflops | There's a Debian way for doing it |
| 23:52.06 | awwal | I always had troubles with auto-reconnect using nm. sometimes it doesn't reconenct at all |
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| 23:53.11 | markybob | hamersaw: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-building look at 4.2, 4.5, 4.6 |
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| 23:54.00 | hamersaw | markybob: thanks |
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