| 00:00.05 | markybob | dabs: there must be a language problem. what's your native tongue? |
| 00:00.06 | dabs | it will prob just get the final image, eg, dd if=/dev/sda |
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| 00:00.30 | dabs | eng |
| 00:00.43 | dabs | its because im so hood, sorry |
| 00:00.45 | markybob | wow. then i'm out. |
| 00:01.02 | dabs | k, thanks for letting me know debian doesnt compile |
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| 00:02.10 | Asad3ainJalout | May I ask questions about Debian Sid and wine here or does this channel stick with stable versions of debian? |
| 00:02.35 | markybob | Asad3ainJalout: stable. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is for that per /topic |
| 00:02.54 | okee | got the speaker fixed, and it was easy. Hoorah....... |
| 00:03.04 | Asad3ainJalout | markybob: ahh my bad, have a good day |
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| 00:45.20 | awwal | I have a problem in my Sid machine that I wasn't able to debug for a possible bug report. Asked yet a few times in debian-next but no body seems to know about my issue. I have a problem with mouse pointer: if I have the word "debiaan" and when I want to select the second "a" for remove it, I must try to select the "n" for get the second "a" selected or the "i" for get the first "a" selected. That mean: the vertical line of the mouse, the | (I dont know |
| 00:45.20 | awwal | how its called) is always placed after or before one character: if I want the place the | between the two "a", I have to pointe the mouse pointer after "n" or before "i". Hard to explain with my basic English. I hope you understand my idea. I wonder if it's related with 'gtk' stuff, as someone has suggested in debian-next, because it only happens with a few gtk based apps, like hexchat, thunar and pcmanfm; not with all gtk based. Any clue? |
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| 00:46.38 | awwal | Number of users in this channel is more higher , so I thought it may be helpful asking here. |
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| 00:47.12 | awwal | I have tried several mouse's and usb ports but no luck |
| 00:48.44 | awwal | I have that issue only since 1 week or so; hard to find after which update, being sid all the time crazy xD |
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| 00:49.38 | bazhang | sid is testing/unstable ? |
| 00:49.52 | dsockwell | yes, always |
| 00:49.57 | dsockwell | wait |
| 00:50.04 | dsockwell | sid is always unstable |
| 00:50.10 | dsockwell | testing has its own code name |
| 00:50.14 | dsockwell | but unstable is always sid |
| 00:50.14 | bazhang | thats on debian-next on oftc irc |
| 00:50.37 | bazhang | see the topic here awwal |
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| 00:51.11 | awwal | bazhang, I see it everyday :) |
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| 01:09.48 | fas3r | Hello |
| 01:10.21 | fas3r | does realmd is suppose to create the keytab file when using to join a domain ? |
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| 01:27.54 | buu | So guys |
| 01:28.18 | buu | If I have a Monitor section with a Modeline "foo" .... ; section should I be able to refer to that using xrandr --output ... --mode foo ? |
| 01:29.17 | buu | How do I do the equivalent of xrandr --addmode in my xorg.conf? |
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| 02:52.59 | rosengarden___ | Hi, I am search a software, that easily controlfigure and scene as template, could rather simple like for example lucas arts indiana jones. I do not want to sketch characters. Just paint the hair of one character blond, call it princess and make them blabla. Is there 2016 really not such a tool in free software? |
| 02:53.15 | plasmoduck | Hey guys for some reason when I upload files to my server its really slow like 650KB/s this is on my local network client pc is wifi and server is ethernet |
| 02:53.57 | plasmoduck | rosengarden___, have you tried gimp? |
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| 02:54.06 | buu | plasmoduck: could be wifi, wires, router, disk, kernel, cpu.. |
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| 03:39.01 | fas3r | Hello, I configured sssd with realmd to be able to use sssd-ad with the GPO. sssd is configured automatically by realm as expected and I can retrieve my users/group with getent or id. When I try to authenticate a user with SSH I can see errors relative to the GPO http://pastebin.com/6wzXUrCr . Does sssd need to mount/access to the sysvol folder ? I use samba 4 as DC. I use sssd 1.13.3. Thanks by advance. |
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| 04:02.39 | okee | What is the best way to mount some unmounted drives, where the drives are mixed up and not properly labeled? This is the output of ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ Can I just mount the unmounted, without knowing their label? |
| 04:02.54 | okee | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/aedb9ef6/ |
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| 04:11.38 | ryouma | yes, you can mount them |
| 04:11.50 | ryouma | assuming they have file systems on them |
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| 04:24.26 | woalwa | hi, i just upgraded my Jessie with 'apt-get upgrade'. I get "update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-3.16-2-686-pae has been altered. |
| 04:24.26 | woalwa | update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option." Is this serious? Will I be able to reboot following a shutdown? |
| 04:25.10 | lux7676 | jmcnaught i will work on it tomorrow.. |
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| 04:39.27 | okee | ryouma> Thanks. |
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| 04:43.09 | jmcnaught | woalwa: i would hold off on rebooting until you figure it out. have you previously done any customizations to the initrd, or installed any modules not from Debian packages? |
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| 04:44.57 | jmcnaught | woalwa: if you run "update-initramfs -u -v" it should give more information |
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| 04:45.54 | woalwa | ok, will try that. |
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| 04:47.16 | woalwa | Available versions: 3.16-2-686-pae 3.14-2-686-pae 3.14-1-686-pae |
| 04:47.17 | woalwa | update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-3.16-2-686-pae has been altered. |
| 04:47.19 | woalwa | update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option. |
| 04:48.14 | jmcnaught | woalwa: there's http://paste.debian.net if you need to paste more than a couple of lines. did you do or install anything that would have modified the initrd? |
| 04:49.19 | jmcnaught | woalwa: you could try the "-t" option it is suggesting, but it might break whatever non-standard thing you may have installed |
| 04:49.49 | woalwa | I don't remember having installed anything that would have modified initrd. I try to reinstall the kernel with "apt-get install --reinstall..." but it could not be downloaded. |
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| 04:52.05 | jmcnaught | woalwa: where did the 3.14 kernels come from? also i would expect a jessie kernel to be 3.16.0-4-686-pae. what does "lsb_release -a" say? |
| 04:53.53 | jmcnaught | woalwa: for example mine is /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 not /boot/initrd.img-3.16-2-amd64 |
| 04:53.55 | woalwa | Its 3.16-2. Anyway, I just tried a 'update-initramfs -u -t' without any problem. |
| 04:54.33 | woalwa | Oh, that 3.14 is an old version I keep as backup. |
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| 04:55.14 | jmcnaught | woalwa: did you upgrade from wheezy and were previously using a backports kernel? |
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| 04:55.59 | woalwa | yes, i upgrade from wheezy, but its a proper debian version. |
| 04:56.52 | jim | let's see if it's healthy... does aptitude -f install want to do anything? |
| 04:56.59 | jmcnaught | woalwa: it doesn't look like the correct kernel version, and it would be interesting to know what caused this problem. |
| 04:57.26 | woalwa | thks for the help. i hink i am ok now. bye. |
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| 04:57.32 | jmcnaught | woalwa: also the output of "uname -a" and "apt-cache policy linux-image-686-pae" |
| 04:57.54 | woalwa | ok, will get back to you with that. |
| 04:58.14 | jmcnaught | woalwa: well if you're not worried then i guess i won't worry either :) |
| 04:58.51 | woalwa | ok, lets leave it at that. thks again. |
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| 06:16.45 | gdrdr_nick | Hi! |
| 06:17.05 | gdrdr_nick | The easy way of installing Debian on the home page front.... |
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| 06:17.12 | gdrdr_nick | the version seems very old |
| 06:17.30 | gdrdr_nick | Is it possible for me to get the latest packages while still benefting from Debian's robustnes? |
| 06:17.34 | gdrdr_nick | Should I go for Sid? |
| 06:17.39 | gdrdr_nick | Or stretch? |
| 06:18.14 | mutante | stretch |
| 06:18.21 | gdrdr_nick | Sid is very unstable? |
| 06:18.23 | mutante | yes |
| 06:18.29 | mutante | sid breaks all the toys |
| 06:18.30 | gdrdr_nick | You mean it'll always crash? |
| 06:18.36 | gdrdr_nick | Hehe toy story |
| 06:18.39 | gdrdr_nick | So |
| 06:18.41 | mutante | indeed |
| 06:18.45 | jmcnaught | gdrdr_nick: Debian's robustness is because of the amount of time that goes into testing and fixing packages, you give that up with stretch and unstable, along with security updates |
| 06:18.54 | gdrdr_nick | Ah |
| 06:18.59 | mutante | no, but strech is a nice compromise between robustness and newness |
| 06:19.10 | mutante | for a laptop that is |
| 06:19.14 | gdrdr_nick | I can go back to stable from stretch right? |
| 06:19.19 | gdrdr_nick | I am using a laptop |
| 06:19.19 | mutante | not really |
| 06:19.25 | gdrdr_nick | Uh |
| 06:19.29 | dsockwell | you can wait a while |
| 06:19.35 | dsockwell | and stretch will turn into stable |
| 06:19.46 | jmcnaught | sorta, it also stays broken the longest when it breaks. stretch and unstable aren't for beginners, if you're new to Debian do your learning on stable |
| 06:20.01 | gdrdr_nick | I think I'l just look around and see what fits me |
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| 06:20.13 | gdrdr_nick | Well I saw Debian recommended in Prism Break |
| 06:20.19 | gdrdr_nick | That's why I came to ask you guys |
| 06:20.26 | jmcnaught | there are backports available for some packages on stable too |
| 06:20.34 | mutante | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.37 | gdrdr_nick | I'd not consider Debian for now |
| 06:20.37 | dsockwell | you should try stable first |
| 06:20.45 | gdrdr_nick | I've used Stable before |
| 06:20.48 | dsockwell | oh |
| 06:20.53 | dsockwell | well suit yourself |
| 06:20.53 | gdrdr_nick | And for a couple of months even |
| 06:21.22 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing |
| 06:22.36 | mutante | gdrdr_nick: for me personally it's always "stable" on a server and "testing" on a laptop. |
| 06:22.56 | gdrdr_nick | mutante, Ah |
| 06:22.57 | dsockwell | i've never actually had a bad problem with testing |
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| 06:23.14 | jmcnaught | gdrdr_nick: take a look at that, there are other caveats using testing and unstable. lots of people do it, but if you don't know the package system very well it can be difficult to solve problems when they come up. if you rely on your computer to get stuff done, stable is the better choice |
| 06:23.20 | dsockwell | but for something i expect to run forever with 0 trouble i choose stable |
| 06:23.26 | mutante | gdrdr_nick: because i want the server to be rock solid, but on my laptop i might want a bit newer software , some multimedia, and yea, i never really had a problem with testing |
| 06:23.33 | dsockwell | a laptop i can cuss at and it works |
| 06:23.33 | gdrdr_nick | Ah |
| 06:23.40 | dsockwell | harder with a server |
| 06:23.53 | gdrdr_nick | Yeah I think stable is really for servers |
| 06:24.04 | gdrdr_nick | Is teseting as equally fresh as Mint 17.3? |
| 06:24.15 | gdrdr_nick | I'm actually about to install Mint now |
| 06:24.17 | dsockwell | isn't mint descended from debian these days? |
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| 06:24.25 | dsockwell | or am i thrinking of crunchbang |
| 06:24.31 | gdrdr_nick | Correct |
| 06:24.40 | gdrdr_nick | Nah I think Mint descended from Ubuntu? |
| 06:24.42 | gdrdr_nick | I don't know |
| 06:24.44 | dsockwell | the thing about those 'noob friendly' distros is that the other users are often as clueless as you are |
| 06:24.47 | jmcnaught | stable is for desktops and laptops too, it's what i use |
| 06:24.56 | mutante | very good point from dsockwell |
| 06:25.37 | mutante | gdrdr_nick: do you have a particular reason why Mint instead of Debian? |
| 06:25.45 | dsockwell | when people ask me what linux distro to use, i tell them debian. the bad old days are gone, and hand-holding is just confusing any more |
| 06:25.53 | gdrdr_nick | Because I'm certain I wouldn't have a problem with it |
| 06:26.04 | gdrdr_nick | It should "just" work |
| 06:26.11 | gdrdr_nick | And I get the latest packages |
| 06:26.19 | gdrdr_nick | Meaning I get the innovations |
| 06:26.24 | gdrdr_nick | I think it's reasonably secure too |
| 06:26.29 | gdrdr_nick | Looks pretty |
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| 06:26.35 | gdrdr_nick | Has an awesome community behind it |
| 06:26.46 | gdrdr_nick | The project and the people are awesome basically. |
| 06:26.52 | mutante | well, you just talked about robustness. "latest" is often the opposite of robust and "just works" |
| 06:27.04 | dsockwell | good night |
| 06:27.07 | mutante | latest means few other people have used it before you |
| 06:27.17 | mutante | the bugs still have to be found |
| 06:27.22 | gdrdr_nick | That sucks |
| 06:27.24 | gdrdr_nick | :( |
| 06:27.32 | gdrdr_nick | Well I want to be able to use the latest innovations |
| 06:27.35 | gdrdr_nick | That's always exciting |
| 06:27.43 | dsockwell | it gets old |
| 06:28.03 | dsockwell | because they always break when you rely on them |
| 06:28.13 | jmcnaught | indeed.. testing/unstable are part of the Debian development process, how the bugs gets found and fixed to prepare the next stable release. they aren't really intended for end users |
| 06:28.26 | gdrdr_nick | Hmm |
| 06:28.32 | gdrdr_nick | So what distro should I go for? |
| 06:28.36 | gdrdr_nick | I'm just an average joe. |
| 06:28.38 | mutante | Debian |
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| 06:28.45 | gdrdr_nick | Which Debian? |
| 06:28.55 | gdrdr_nick | Nautilus opens so slow on Debian though |
| 06:28.58 | gdrdr_nick | It's annoying. |
| 06:29.07 | gdrdr_nick | I can't also install Tox on it |
| 06:29.11 | gdrdr_nick | That's why I left |
| 06:29.23 | gdrdr_nick | I don't think I can install experimental software on it too. |
| 06:29.25 | gdrdr_nick | Like Tox |
| 06:29.47 | mutante | you can install experimental things on any distro |
| 06:29.53 | mutante | the differences are actually smaller than you might think |
| 06:30.06 | mutante | and Mint/Ubuntu/etc all use Debian packages anyways |
| 06:30.35 | gdrdr_nick | Disk encryption takes hella slow on debian too. |
| 06:30.37 | dsockwell | if you're this stubborn then fine, good riddance, go to mint |
| 06:30.42 | mutante | gdrdr_nick: i think what you might actually want is 2 things.. a regular daily work system and one to play with and just try new stuff |
| 06:31.29 | gdrdr_nick | Yes |
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| 06:31.36 | dsockwell | that's why we have these other distros, so we don't all have to agree on debian |
| 06:31.37 | gdrdr_nick | And I'm thinking of installing Steam too |
| 06:32.02 | gdrdr_nick | I know Steam is privacy invasive but I miss gaming |
| 06:32.20 | gdrdr_nick | Hey everyone's gotta start somewhere right? |
| 06:32.24 | gdrdr_nick | I think Mint should be fine |
| 06:32.37 | dsockwell | in the time we've spent vaccilating, you could have tried 2 distros. |
| 06:33.10 | gdrdr_nick | Which are? |
| 06:33.18 | dsockwell | idk, arch and mint |
| 06:33.24 | dsockwell | or slackware and mint |
| 06:33.30 | dsockwell | or ubuntu and LFS |
| 06:33.42 | dsockwell | or tails and kali |
| 06:33.55 | gdrdr_nick | I am gonna try mint |
| 06:34.01 | gdrdr_nick | What do you mean? |
| 06:34.03 | gdrdr_nick | Dual boot? |
| 06:34.19 | dsockwell | i mean you could have downloaded 2 liveCDs and played with them |
| 06:34.23 | gdrdr_nick | How do I use the "Signed sha256 sigs" on this Mint page? http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2947 |
| 06:34.39 | gdrdr_nick | I have used Mint |
| 06:34.46 | gdrdr_nick | Pretty familiar with it |
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| 06:34.53 | jmcnaught | gdrdr_nick: it's fine if you're going to go with Mint, but it's not supported here, only Debian is |
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| 06:34.55 | gdrdr_nick | I think it should be ok to install it on my PC |
| 06:34.57 | jmcnaught | !mint |
| 06:34.57 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 06:35.02 | gdrdr_nick | Sorry |
| 06:35.08 | gdrdr_nick | Thanks a lot guys! |
| 06:35.10 | gdrdr_nick | For your time |
| 06:35.20 | jmcnaught | gdrdr_nick: have a good one :) |
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| 06:35.50 | msn | "I want you to tell me what distro to use, but whatever you suggest i am using mint" |
| 06:35.58 | mutante | good luck, you can get off of steam, you'll make it |
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| 07:27.27 | petemc | i use ccze for my colorizing needs |
| 07:27.31 | petemc | mostly logs tho |
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| 07:35.27 | kw5 | Hello :) I am using Jessie and a backported Iceweasel. While running "aptitude update", I received a message that I need to update my sources.list because of Iceweasel. I read about that it is no longer necessary for Debian to rebrand Firefox to Iceweasel. Do I just remove the line for the backported version from my sources.list? |
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| 08:05.24 | choice | Is it possible to install debian over an existing linux partition without f**** up the boot manager? |
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| 08:07.16 | Iridos | you'll need a boot loader to boot it |
| 08:07.37 | Iridos | guess you can install it on the partition instead of the MBR |
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| 08:07.56 | choice | Yes. There are already multiple linux partitions on the drive. |
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| 08:08.15 | choice | One is encrypted, so its not a very simple setup. |
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| 08:08.24 | kw5 | Is it a good idea to remove Iceweasel when you use the backported firefox version in Debian Jessie? I am thinking package dependcy issues.. |
| 08:08.29 | choice | And i want to install Debian in one of the unencrypted partitions. |
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| 08:09.12 | Iridos | seems like you want to use debootstrap... funnily I never needed to use that |
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| 08:09.18 | Iridos | dpkg, debootstrap |
| 08:09.18 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 08:11.46 | Iridos | ha. firefox-branded firefox. already? |
| 08:11.52 | Iridos | judd, versions firefox |
| 08:11.53 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 45.0.2-1~bpo80+1; sid: 45.0.2-1; experimental: 46.0~b5-1 |
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| 08:12.37 | TomTomTosch | for a few weeks now :3 |
| 08:13.23 | kw5 | Are you supposed to remove Iceweasel then though? I guess not but I am unsure |
| 08:13.37 | Iridos | kw5, it hasn't even left sid... I'd maybe wait a little? And in principle the dependencies are for working stuff like that out... I'd have a close look at what apt-get or aptitude are saying they're going to do before they do it, though |
| 08:13.37 | kw5 | I am still in the habit of opening Iceweasel instead of firefox |
| 08:13.54 | TomTomTosch | things like gnome still depend on iceweasel. |
| 08:14.14 | Iridos | duh... |
| 08:14.25 | kw5 | Ok thanks for the info |
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| 08:15.05 | Iridos | there should be a wossname... transitory iceweasel package |
| 08:15.10 | Iridos | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 08:15.11 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 38.7.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.7.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie: 38.7.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.0.2esr-1; sid: 45.0.2esr-1 |
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| 08:15.33 | hiya | Guys, which is the best VNC client that you have ever used? |
| 08:15.57 | Iridos | but not in backports |
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| 08:18.08 | alioui_ | i look for bash behavior when i start typing a command and press pageup it will give me one by one of all command executed that start whit what i just typed ?? do i have to install some package for that |
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| 08:21.35 | Iridos | kw5... gorn |
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| 08:22.13 | Iridos | alioui_, ctrl-r instead of pageup does something similar (albeit not limited to the start) |
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| 08:24.01 | Iridos | there's also history-search-backward |
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| 08:24.21 | Iridos | I guess that's the one you're referring to |
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| 08:24.28 | Iridos | you'd need to bind that to a key |
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| 08:25.57 | alioui_ | ok, i was thinking i will be a simple task ( change some conf file, or install some package) |
| 08:26.04 | alioui_ | thanks |
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| 08:26.15 | Iridos | seems actually not so hard |
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| 08:27.59 | Iridos | alioui_, bind '"X": history-search-backward' # remove the X and type "ctrl-v PageUp" instead of it |
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| 08:29.27 | Iridos | alioui_, after you got that to work, write the same line at the end of your .bashrc |
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| 08:31.32 | alioui_ | ok i will try it :) |
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| 08:35.28 | ljhade24 | has anyone tried new 2016 dell xps 13 with debian? |
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| 08:36.02 | Iridos | (probably looks like ^[[5~ , but that is really ESC [5~ ) |
| 08:36.17 | ljhade24 | it has no lan port on board and has 'Dell 1820A' wireless card but I don't see any 'dell' wireless card on debian stable |
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| 08:37.41 | ws2k3 | Hello. im trying to install debian 7 in a xenserver vm. but at the partitioning menu im getting The attempt to mount a filesystem with type ext4 in Virtual disk 1, partition #1 (xvda1) at / failed. i am having this issue on 2 of my xenservers so its unlikely the issue is in the xenservers. i also tryed to install ubuntu 12.04 to extra verify the issue is not in my xenserver. what could this be |
| 08:37.41 | ws2k3 | exacly? |
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| 08:40.34 | Iridos | alioui_, bind '"\e[5~": history-search-backward' works for me (the \e makes the escape character) |
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| 08:43.32 | Iridos | ljhade24, look for it in the output of lspci -nn ... look for the number that looks like [0000:0000] |
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| 08:46.32 | TomTomTosch | if it's broadcom 4350 it might work with the 4.4 kernel. |
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| 08:47.22 | ljhade24 | Iridos: I didn't install on it yet. it seems debian stable install can't find dell wireless driver. It says no networking available |
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| 08:48.21 | ljhade24 | TomTomTosch: how can I find dell wireless is the same driver as 4350? |
| 08:48.27 | Iridos | ljhade24, if it's new it will likely need a newer kernel than in stable |
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| 08:49.09 | Iridos | seems there's no kmuto installer builds anymore |
| 08:49.31 | TomTomTosch | ljhade24: by doing what Iridos said or by going into the device manager of whatever OS you have installed. |
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| 08:50.29 | TomTomTosch | the descriptions dell has online are rather lacking. |
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| 08:55.36 | plasmoduck | Hey guys for some reason when I upload files to my server its really slow like 650KB/s this is on my local network client pc is wifi and server is ethernet |
| 08:55.38 | plasmoduck | It's slow with scp and samba |
| 08:56.20 | jelly | plasmoduck: and if you put the pc on a wired connection too? |
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| 08:58.11 | plasmoduck | I don't have another cable to test jelly :/ |
| 08:59.01 | plasmoduck | All I'm doing is streaming a movie with plex from my server to my pc and uploading files |
| 08:59.11 | plasmoduck | But it seems to upload very slow to my server |
| 08:59.59 | plasmoduck | jelly, I've tried long and short preamble settings on router. |
| 09:00.22 | plasmoduck | Speed is set to highest, 300Mb/s |
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| 09:07.47 | plasmoduck | jelly, my connection is not the greatest quality but I don't think it matters too much http://postimg.org/image/wexn6pgbb/ |
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| 09:11.19 | plasmoduck | It's like my data is routing through the internet |
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| 09:13.36 | mlq | Hello, I want to pin specific packages from a certain origin, but for whatever reason apt-cache policy applies the pin-priority to all other sources as well: http://pastie.org/private/dvbsy9m5acss8ner7l5zva - Can someone give me a hint of what I am missing? |
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| 09:16.34 | jelly | plasmoduck: well, samba and scp are different protocols. You can rule out storage bottlenecks by running "iperf" or similar networking benchmark on both ends |
| 09:17.28 | plasmoduck | jelly, thanks, I'll try that. |
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| 09:18.36 | coombee | hey guys need some help to do a command line for zuluMount I also have a key to add in |
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| 09:20.19 | teraflops | Zuluwat? You guys use strange things |
| 09:20.19 | jelly | mlq: um, looks like your pin is working as specified. |
| 09:20.50 | jelly | mlq: okay, the output is weird but the Candidate: is still the right one |
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| 09:22.01 | coombee | ZuluMount for a cryptography |
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| 09:32.59 | ws2k3 | Hello. im trying to install debian 7 in a xenserver vm. but at the partitioning menu im getting The attempt to mount a filesystem with type ext4 in Virtual disk 1, partition #1 (xvda1) at / failed. i am having this issue on 2 of my xenservers so its unlikely the issue is in the xenservers. i also tryed to install ubuntu 12.04 to extra verify the issue is not in my xenserver. what could this be |
| 09:32.59 | ws2k3 | exacly? |
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| 09:33.57 | Cloudwalker42 | ws2k3: why donÄt u use xen create image tool, you can specify there how large the partions should be and which fs type you preffer |
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| 09:34.29 | Cloudwalker42 | ws2k3: much more easier than running the standard debian installation |
| 09:35.14 | ws2k3 | Cloudwalker42 yeah that could be interesting if you deploy many debian 7 instandses but this one just need to have a different setup |
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| 09:36.45 | ws2k3 | Cloudwalker42 im now trying to mount /dev/xvda1 manualy with: mount /dev/xvda1 /mnt but it give me the error failed:Invalid argument |
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| 09:38.04 | coombee | any help to do a command line for zuluMount I also have a key to add in |
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| 09:38.47 | Cloudwalker42 | ws2k3: where do you type this command. On the DomU or the Dom0 |
| 09:39.01 | ws2k3 | DomU(inside the vm) |
| 09:39.31 | Cloudwalker42 | ws2k3: Hmm im not sure but xvda1 may be the root fs of the DomU |
| 09:40.06 | Cloudwalker42 | ws2k3: can u paste me here the oupout of /proc/mounts ? |
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| 09:40.19 | ws2k3 | Cloudwalker42 yes /dev/xvda1 is the root fs of the DomU but cause i got the error during the installation i am now into the execute a shell |
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| 09:41.29 | ws2k3 | Cloudwalker42 the ash Bourne-shell |
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| 09:42.36 | Cloudwalker42 | ws2k3: so this partition is not mounted |
| 09:42.46 | ws2k3 | Cloudwalker42 yes its not mounted |
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| 09:42.52 | coombee | yeah not mounted |
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| 09:43.34 | ws2k3 | Cloudwalker42 coombee im trying to mount it to try to understand why it fails |
| 09:44.28 | Cloudwalker42 | ws2k3: do you use lvs ? |
| 09:44.47 | ws2k3 | Cloudwalker42 no. just plain ext4 |
| 09:46.01 | Cloudwalker42 | I use for my xen Dom0's lv's and if I want to mount a specific partition of a DomU i just mount the /dev/*partition* |
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| 09:46.28 | Cloudwalker42 | But I donÄt mount in in a rescue mode in DomU insteed I Mount the partion on the Dom0 |
| 09:47.09 | ws2k3 | Cloudwalker42 yeah i understand. but im just trying to figure out why my debian install fails. i dont have any data on it |
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| 09:47.36 | Cloudwalker42 | ws2k3: hmm sorry imo ut |
| 09:48.09 | coombee | yeah |
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| 09:49.43 | p0rt | hey |
| 09:49.55 | p0rt | Is it possible to have 3 monitors? |
| 09:50.05 | p0rt | I have thinkpad x220 with docking station |
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| 09:50.15 | Stummi | p0rt, depends on your hardware |
| 09:50.38 | p0rt | Stummi: xrandr gives me "cannot find crtc for output VGA1" |
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| 09:51.03 | p0rt | Stummi: But I can mirror hdmi and VGA monitor |
| 09:51.11 | p0rt | How can I fix this? |
| 09:51.22 | p0rt | Google doesn't help very much |
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| 09:52.05 | ws2k3 | Cloudwalker42 ext4: Unknown symbol __bread_gfp (err 0) maby that is something wrong |
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| 09:53.54 | seeS | ive heard its possible but ive never had hardware decent enough to drive it |
| 09:54.12 | seeS | some laptops you can do 2 easily with a docking station |
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| 09:55.00 | p0rt | seeS: Well, I think it's possible with a docking station that I don't have |
| 09:55.18 | jelly | p0rt: it depends on your graphic card. |
| 09:55.51 | p0rt | jelly: Seems legit |
| 09:56.38 | jelly | intel gpus sandybridge generation couldn't drive more than 2 outputs at the same time, IIRC |
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| 09:56.42 | Quatroking | so my laptop froze last night after an uptime of 10 days |
| 09:56.49 | Quatroking | no overheating or anything, the sensors were in the green |
| 09:56.54 | Quatroking | how do I figure out what happened? |
| 09:56.56 | tinyhippo | laptops aren't servers |
| 09:57.28 | tinyhippo | they're designed to be turned off/hibernated/suspended rather than run 24/7 |
| 09:57.29 | Quatroking | Yeah I know but that doesn't make freezing acceptable |
| 09:57.44 | ws2k3 | Cloudwalker42 i downloaded a new image of the debian 7 netinstall and now it works just fine |
| 09:57.50 | ws2k3 | Cloudwalker42 Realy strange |
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| 10:00.25 | seeS | p0rt, could well be. i know at work some peoples do dual and others (e.g. mine) dont |
| 10:00.25 | seeS | p0rt, thinkpads often come with port replicators not docking stations which could be the problem |
| 10:00.27 | seeS | ok *now* colon completes a nick not comma |
| 10:01.04 | p0rt | seeS: depends on program you use :P |
| 10:01.13 | p0rt | seeS: Altough, mine cannot do 3 monitors |
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| 10:06.33 | blingrang | hello, debian 7.9, "Package debian-keyring is not available," |
| 10:07.05 | blingrang | Never seen this. I've already ran "apt-get update". |
| 10:07.12 | blingrang | Any thoughts? |
| 10:07.53 | blingrang | It goes without saying, but I was trying to "apt-get install debian-keyring" |
| 10:07.55 | bdog7 | another mirror? |
| 10:08.50 | blingrang | ok will try |
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| 10:12.08 | BadCodSmell | WTF can cause this: /home/user/application/branches/installer/cache/partial is missing. - Acquire (2: No such file or directory) ? |
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| 10:13.29 | blingrang | bdog7: no luck, "E: Package 'debian-keyring' has no installation candidate" |
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| 10:13.32 | BadCodSmell | I found it... /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10cache.conf |
| 10:13.43 | BadCodSmell | how in the what the pigging hell |
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| 10:15.15 | BadCodSmell | Also where can I get openssh-dbg? |
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| 10:21.15 | BadCodSmell | Don't tell me I have to build that myself. |
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| 10:25.46 | jelly | Quatroking: if you have new enough hardware (haswell?) there may be some output of the kernel crash under /sys/fs/pstore/ |
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| 10:34.27 | iamk | hello |
| 10:34.30 | iamk | i am wondering if anyone has any experience with trying to route display through the ethernet port of the computer |
| 10:34.38 | iamk | as in netbook'#s ethernet port -> ethernetcable -> ethernet to vga adapter -> display |
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| 10:35.32 | jelly | iamk: what do you mean by an "ethernet to vga adapter"? |
| 10:36.20 | iamk | jelly: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VGA-Extender-Female-Male-To-Lan-Cat5-Cat5e-RJ45-Ethernet-Female-Adapter-Black-/351474106120?var=&hash=item51d57d3f08:m:mTG6Rutk2nuJMKZ8YMHCnYA |
| 10:36.22 | iamk | something like this |
| 10:36.31 | iamk | well...actually that exactly. |
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| 10:36.38 | iamk | rjh45 -> vga |
| 10:36.47 | iamk | rj45 * |
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| 10:37.40 | jelly | iamk: that needs VGA on both ends, it does not talk ethernet frames through the cable but uses the cable for analog VGA signal. |
| 10:38.02 | iamk | yes, i agree and was aware of hat |
| 10:38.15 | iamk | my question was somewhat along the lines of, let me see if i can phrase it better. : |
| 10:39.00 | iamk | is there any way of reprogramming the ethernet port on the netbook so as to send video signal to aforementioned adapter that'd go into display? |
| 10:39.06 | jelly | no. |
| 10:39.42 | iamk | oh |
| 10:39.48 | iamk | anticlimatic :( |
| 10:40.06 | iamk | thanks, jelly |
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| 10:45.18 | Quatroking | jelly, nope, that folder's empty |
| 10:45.36 | Quatroking | the laptop isn't all that new, it's a 2011 i5 |
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| 10:56.43 | `z | Hello all. I'm running a headless Debian stretch on my Raspberry Pi (yes, it's genuine Debian, not Raspbian). I currently use wicd to manage my network, and it does it well, automatically falling over to Wi-Fi when wired connection is not available. |
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| 10:57.29 | `z | Now I want it to fall over to a dial-up connection when neither Wi-Fi or wired connection is up. How can I do it automatically? |
| 10:58.02 | `z | (i.e. I want to set the default route to ppp0 when eth0 and wlan0 are both down) |
| 10:58.14 | Fidelix | Hello folks. I've tried many times in different ways to install debian on a Dell server, but it just won't boot after the installation. I'm not doing anything complicated, just taking over the whole disk and installing grub to the master boot record. |
| 10:58.27 | ksk | Fidelix: hardware raid? |
| 10:58.29 | Fidelix | I'm just being dropped into the grub rescue shell (minimal) |
| 10:58.40 | Fidelix | ksk: yes |
| 10:58.51 | ksk | you are probably missing firmware to use them |
| 10:59.03 | ksk | but please dont ask me which.. |
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| 10:59.34 | Fidelix | PERC h710. |
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| 11:00.49 | ksk | Fidelix: which debian release? |
| 11:01.03 | ksk | internet says wheezy (a 3.x kernel) -should- work |
| 11:02.17 | Fidelix | ksk Jessie |
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| 11:07.02 | Fidelix | ksk, weird. Using the graphical installer worked. Really weird. |
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| 11:12.21 | ksk | mhhm, there is a point where installer (either grapical or not) asks you what kind of modules you want to add (like "needed for my machine"/"all"/"none" ) or sth like that.. |
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| 11:18.36 | sjm_ | can somebody help me fix a bunch of broken packages please? http://pastie.org/10805169 |
| 11:18.48 | sjm_ | i've tried apt-get install -f and it didn't do anything |
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| 12:09.37 | tako | i decided that i'm moving Debian Testing |
| 12:09.56 | tako | because all application are old in stable version |
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| 12:10.16 | markybob | tako: then move to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:11.20 | tako | markybob, are you using sid ? |
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| 12:13.16 | debUser1978 | hmm.. |
| 12:13.37 | markybob | debUser1978: wrong network. it's irc.oftc.net not freenode (which is where you're at) |
| 12:13.52 | debUser1978 | I noticed. Thanks. |
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| 12:54.15 | deadmouse | hey, i am facing some troubles with the rightclick of the mouse. it gets disabled when i am opening windows, terminals and using it to select objects. i can only fix it temparary untill it happens again by "Ctrl+Alt+Fx then F7" or "Ctrl+Alt+Backspace", what should i doo? |
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| 12:54.36 | Doo | start by highlighting someone else |
| 12:54.37 | Doo | :D |
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| 12:55.34 | deadmouse | lol xD sorry |
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| 13:02.14 | bipul | hello anyone around? |
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| 13:05.03 | jim | bipul, occasionally I look in, yes... |
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| 13:05.49 | bipul | jim, ? |
| 13:05.56 | bipul | jim, Do you know? |
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| 13:07.03 | jim | I had to exit and come back on irc a couple mins ago, I don't have a question from you in my scrollback |
| 13:07.09 | timmeyh | bipul: hi |
| 13:07.43 | bipul | sure, let me repeat. |
| 13:07.45 | bipul | timmeyh, Hello |
| 13:07.45 | bipul | jim, how to convert debian-install source code for particular package into the netinstall image? |
| 13:08.44 | jim | you mean you want to install that package during netinstall... |
| 13:09.39 | jim | I don't quite have all the pieces of your question... but, try this... |
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| 13:09.48 | jim | apt-get source hello |
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| 13:10.09 | jim | (be not-root, in a dir with a bit of space) |
| 13:10.51 | jim | (this is a tiny and incomplete tour around building packages from debianized source) |
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| 13:11.48 | bipul | ok, let me try this |
| 13:12.10 | jim | bipul, once you get to that place or if you have trouble, say so |
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| 13:14.36 | bipul | jim, sure , i will acknowledge you. |
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| 13:18.54 | bipul | I am able to see 1 directory and two tar file and one .dsc file. hello-2.8 hello_2.8-4.debian.tar.gz hello_2.8-4.dsc hello_2.8.orig.tar.gz |
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| 13:19.10 | bipul | jim, I am able to see 1 directory and two tar file and one .dsc file. hello-2.8 hello_2.8-4.debian.tar.gz hello_2.8-4.dsc hello_2.8.orig.tar.gz |
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| 13:20.48 | gr8 | I am trying to define a function in .bashrc. I have the following in my .bashrc: function search() {find . -iname "*$1*"}. Now when I execute source and run the search command, I get "find: paths must precede expression: sampler". The guys in #bash have no idea, maybe it's a Debian problem? |
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| 13:23.08 | jim | bipul, ok... |
| 13:23.27 | bipul | jim, You have any document or link? |
| 13:24.19 | themill | gr8: can you pastebin the output of "type -a search"? |
| 13:24.25 | jim | bipul, the reason you were able to do this, is that in your sources.list, you have lines that start with "deb-src" and point to the archive where the hello package is |
| 13:24.38 | bipul | ok. |
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| 13:25.20 | SPF | gr8: works fine here |
| 13:26.21 | SPF | gr8: maybe you have a previous alias for find? |
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| 13:27.19 | jim | one thing you can do to learn about sources and authoring packages, is read the files in that dir... but, right now, let's just build the package... first, like all packages that have any form of a build system (and that's pretty much all of them), the hello package has build dependencies... which are the packages needed in order to build AND package hello. |
| 13:27.21 | lancebeet | gr8: works for me too under jessie |
| 13:27.53 | jim | bipul, su over to root, and run this: apt-get build-dep hello |
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| 13:28.14 | bipul | jim, sure |
| 13:28.35 | jim | (because you need to get those oackages needed to build hello, if you want to build it) |
| 13:29.32 | antena-cli | In AccuWeather Desklet, if I put accuweather as Source, what should I put as Location to receive the climate information about Rio de Janeiro, Brazil? |
| 13:29.36 | bipul | yes, i want to build it |
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| 13:30.21 | bipul | root@bipul:~/Public# apt-get build-dep hello |
| 13:30.21 | bipul | Reading package lists... Done |
| 13:30.21 | bipul | Building dependency tree |
| 13:30.21 | bipul | Reading state information... Done |
| 13:30.21 | bipul | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 193 not upgraded. |
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| 13:30.48 | jim | uhoh... |
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| 13:31.00 | gr8 | themill: http://paste.debian.net/439689/ |
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| 13:31.29 | jim | ok, so you ALREADY have the build depends for hello |
| 13:31.49 | themill | gr8: having both an alias and a function defined is at best confusing |
| 13:31.49 | jim | log out from the su, and cd to the hello dir |
| 13:32.03 | bipul | sorry for pasting my terminal logs. |
| 13:32.34 | bipul | Yes, I am in hello directory. |
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| 13:32.53 | jim | ok, ls and notice, you have a debian dir |
| 13:32.53 | gr8 | themill: oops! that was the problem, thanks a lot =) |
| 13:32.59 | themill | gr8: the quoting you have in the alias and the function are also different |
| 13:33.09 | gr8 | the alias came first |
| 13:33.14 | gr8 | so that's why it didn't work |
| 13:33.34 | themill | yeah, and aliases don't do positional arguments, so you would have had a very odd command indeed |
| 13:33.43 | jim | bipul see it there? |
| 13:33.56 | gr8 | well this is awesome at least. Now I can search in bash easily |
| 13:34.04 | bipul | jim wait i am on the way |
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| 13:35.28 | antena-cli | Got it: SAM|BR|BR017|RIO DE JANEIRO |
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| 13:36.47 | Cloudwalker42 | I want to rsync a whole existent linux system to antoher fresh installed linux system. I have on question regard this. What folders should be exluded from this action. I will exclude /boot /sys /run /proc /dev /etc/network/interfaces /etc/udev/persisten.net.rules |
| 13:37.47 | Cloudwalker42 | it is necessary that the system which is the source of the action is online. I know this is shit because of incosistence and and.... but its a special szenario. |
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| 13:38.55 | brigo | Cloudwalker42, can you make a snapshot of the system? |
| 13:39.25 | brigo | you can check the output of mount command it will be a good start point. |
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| 13:39.51 | Cloudwalker42 | brigo: im not sure how to do this. I mean I take snapshopts of lvs but not from physical hard drives |
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| 13:41.06 | ChrisH | Cloudwalker42: snapshots of LVs would improve the uglyness :) a bit |
| 13:41.26 | brigo | Cloudwalker42, rsync will not sync hard disk information bit to bit, it will clone the files in the filesystem you can get in lvs snapshots. |
| 13:41.55 | Cloudwalker42 | ChrisH: ^^ i use snapshopts for xen instances. mostly to take the downtime not so high |
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| 13:42.59 | Cloudwalker42 | brigo: ok thx |
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| 13:43.17 | brigo | i can see a 'tmpfs on /run' in my system. |
| 13:43.36 | brigo | Cloudwalker42, np and good luck with that. :) |
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| 14:02.41 | strk | are scripts in /etc/systemd/system all started at system boot ? |
| 14:03.19 | teraflops | strk: if you enable them, yes |
| 14:03.40 | strk | how are them enabled ? |
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| 14:33.27 | jim | bipul, so I just showed you how to build a debian package (because I kinda didn't understand your underlying question, and I thought that might be part of the solution... if you could ask the question again here, maybe someone can shed some light |
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| 14:34.03 | bipul | jim, sure, and thank you very much for your precious time. :) |
| 14:34.11 | jim | welcome |
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| 14:45.45 | plasmoduck | How can I connect to my VPN without using a GUI? |
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| 14:46.10 | plasmoduck | I'm using this service https://www.goldenfrog.com |
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| 14:49.21 | strk | what does it mean for "service xxx status" to tell me a service is active while "chkconfig xxx" to tell me xxx unknown service |
| 14:49.57 | TomasCZ | plasmoduck, Have you tried their FAQ or help center? Section manual setup? |
| 14:50.33 | okee | what is the command that shows the device and type of file system associated with it. I am familiar with lsblk, df, |
| 14:50.35 | TomasCZ | plasmoduck, help center > manual setup instructions |
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| 14:51.53 | TomasCZ | okee, depends what you seek. mount |
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| 14:52.28 | okee | TomasCZ> I have a bunch of unmounted drives, and trying to figure out what to do with them. Am I correct that these all go in the media folder? |
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| 14:53.42 | TomasCZ | okee, it always depends on administrator where he mounts stuff. Some mount physical devices inside pc elsewhere some do those also into /media |
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| 14:54.41 | okee | TomasCZ> I lost my mounting during the upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie. I seem to recall that Debian wants to put the devices in a specific location by default. Is that the /media folder? |
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| 14:56.23 | plasmoduck | TomasCZ, I followed this https://support.goldenfrog.com/hc/en-us/articles/204102996-VyprVPN-Command-Line-Interface-for-Linux |
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| 14:56.57 | plasmoduck | TomasCZ, But I get |
| 14:56.58 | plasmoduck | # vyprvpn connect |
| 14:56.58 | TomasCZ | okee, I'd say you are right on /media. |
| 14:56.58 | plasmoduck | Error: Received status 400 from VyprVPN management service. Server connect request failed |
| 14:57.20 | okee | TomasCZ> I have a big mess on my hands. |
| 14:57.26 | plasmoduck | Is there not a file I can edit? |
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| 15:01.11 | TomasCZ | plasmoduck, I can't say that is their app, so you might want to ask them if you have paid account. My own preference in VPN's is openvpn, looking at guide there I see they suggest/expect X11 but with little effort and knowledge you might know how to set it without that. |
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| 15:02.15 | TomasCZ | okee, big mess? need ghostbusters? |
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| 15:02.44 | okee | TomasCZ> What is ghostbusters? The problem I have is trying to figure out which drive is associated with specific OS. |
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| 15:06.01 | TomasCZ | okee, you mean you don't know filesystem type? fdisk -l /dev/sda or if you want graphical gparted |
| 15:06.23 | fred1807 | How can I kill the local framebuffer process from a headlesmachine, from command line? |
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| 15:07.45 | somiaj | fred1807: why do you want to kill it? Are you sure it is a frame buffer and not a kms driver (this may load even on a headless machine) |
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| 15:08.35 | fred1807 | somiaj: I want to load some images on negative layers and the basic tty is always on layer 0 |
| 15:09.29 | somiaj | fred1807: and how would this do anything on a headless machine? But I digress, make sure you are really using framebuffers. |
| 15:09.50 | somiaj | fred1807: most modern drivers use the kms kernel driver, which has some framebuffer comadability, but is not the same thing. |
| 15:10.04 | somiaj | you can disable modsetting with boot parameters though if you need |
| 15:10.14 | fred1807 | somiaj: ok, not headless machine, It is attached to a hdmi monitor, but only for displaying images, it is controlled via ssh |
| 15:10.43 | fred1807 | images are displayed via FBI, I can set the layer number, but I need to use some below 0 |
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| 15:24.27 | somiaj | fred1807: anyways it has been a long time since I've dealt with framebuffers, but I would check what graphics card you have, if the standard module is loading you may have kms drivers loading. If you need features not present int he kms drivers you can disable it. Though unsure if framebuffers will be any easier, I only know kms has some framebuffer comadability, but I think it can also have stuff displayed on the console using kms tools (unsure ... |
| 15:24.33 | somiaj | ... here too) |
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| 15:25.22 | Hello71 | fred1807: run X? |
| 15:25.34 | vitaerk | hi, want to install snort with apt, cant find it! sources.list main contrib nonfree. |
| 15:25.34 | thekeys | I looked that latest standard debian hybrid iso 32bit is more than 100M bigger than the 64bit version. Why is that ? Historically 32bit versions have been smaller, no ? |
| 15:25.50 | somiaj | !tell vitaerk about search |
| 15:26.00 | somiaj | ,v snort |
| 15:26.01 | judd | Package: snort on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.5.2-8; wheezy: 2.9.2.2-3; sid: 2.9.7.0-5; stretch: 2.9.7.0-5 |
| 15:26.03 | okee | would someone refresh me as to what a sample mount command is for mounting a device? I took a look at the man page, but some how not quite getting it. |
| 15:26.16 | vitaerk | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=snort |
| 15:26.38 | somiaj | vitaerk: it looks like snort was removed from jessie, you can go check the qa page (from the link you just gave) and see why it was removed rom jessie (most likely a grave rc bug) |
| 15:26.41 | hamersaw | okee: 'sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb' |
| 15:26.45 | vitaerk | i have jessie |
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| 15:27.11 | vitaerk | ok, |
| 15:27.17 | somiaj | vitaerk: click on one of those packages in the list you got, in the right you'll see a link for 'Developer Information (PTS)' |
| 15:27.28 | okee | hamersaw> Thanks |
| 15:27.29 | somiaj | vitaerk: that site can direct you to when it was removed from jessie (it would have been testing at the time) |
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| 15:28.18 | somiaj | vitaerk: https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2014/11/msg00406.html |
| 15:28.19 | vitaerk | thank you for the quick help. |
| 15:28.50 | somiaj | vitaerk: seems like the matainer just didn't get the libaries needed in jessie in time, and missed the freeze dates and it wasn't evlevated to ensure it got into jessie |
| 15:28.53 | somiaj | ,check-backport snort |
| 15:29.02 | judd | Backporting package snort in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libdaq-dev. |
| 15:29.11 | somiaj | vitaerk: you might be able to backport it youself, but it also requires you backport libdaq |
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| 15:29.35 | somiaj | that is the libary that didn't get into jessie before the freeze that prevented snort from being part of jessie |
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| 15:31.08 | LoRe_ | i'm doing to apt upgrade, and there are 27 newly installed packages, how can i find out which packages suddenly depend on them? |
| 15:31.14 | vitaerk | somiaj: i need it for a vserver. how long i have to wait and watch out |
| 15:31.56 | somiaj | vitaerk: jessie is a 'frozen' system, policy of the freeze is why snort was removed and why snort will not be part of jessie. |
| 15:32.02 | vitaerk | maybe this is nearly the same: suricata - Next Generation Intrusion Detection and Prevention Tool |
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| 15:32.21 | somiaj | vitaerk: The matainer may backport it for you, but it is not currently backported and there is no guarntee if or when this happens. The only sure way to do it is to backport it yourself |
| 15:32.25 | somiaj | !tell vitaerk about ssb |
| 15:32.33 | somiaj | vitaerk: follow those instructions, they may work. You'll have to first backport libdaq |
| 15:32.38 | somiaj | ,check-backport libdaq |
| 15:32.39 | judd | No package named 'libdaq' was found in sid/amd64. |
| 15:32.47 | somiaj | ,check-backport libdaq2 |
| 15:32.48 | judd | Backporting package libdaq2 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 15:33.13 | somiaj | vitaerk: but backporting libdaq2 and then snort should allow you to build custom .deb so y ou can snort and its required supporting libary. |
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| 15:33.31 | somiaj | LoRe_: What version of debian are you running? |
| 15:33.39 | LoRe_ | somiaj: testing |
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| 15:33.49 | somiaj | LoRe_: there are various ways to look at reverse depends, you can run 'aptitude why packagename' as one way |
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| 15:33.59 | somiaj | LoRe_: testing will ahve this happen all the time |
| 15:34.47 | somiaj | LoRe_: depends, new packages and how packages are related are always changing in testing. This is part of the joy of testing. Is there an actual bug happening or do you just want to see what changed? Maybe install apt-listchanges and lots of reading when you upgrade if you just want to track chagnes |
| 15:34.50 | LoRe_ | somiaj: normally i don't care, but now it want's to install texlive-base, that's to huge for that computer |
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| 15:35.31 | somiaj | LoRe_: if you use 'apt-get --no-install-recommends dist-upgrade' does it still want to pull in textlive-base? |
| 15:35.35 | aborrero | vitaerk: give suricata a chance :-) it's ruleset-compatible with snort, and more powerfull (speaking with the suricata maintainer hat) |
| 15:36.04 | somiaj | LoRe_: run an apt-get upgrade first, this will upgade all packages that don't need to install new stuff. Then you may ahve a small list you can look at to track down the depends. I can't think of any tool to quickly/automatically do this though. |
| 15:37.05 | aborrero | vitaerk: and yeah, suricata is updated in stable backports and in testing :-) |
| 15:37.15 | vitaerk | aborrero: yes, i think i will try it, because i spend 4h in installation in jessie |
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| 15:37.23 | LoRe_ | --no-install-recommends looks better, in this case also a simple upgrade wants to install new stuff... |
| 15:37.46 | somiaj | LoRe_: are you using apt-get (not aptitude). apt-get upgrade will not isntall/remove packages (else you found a bug in apt) |
| 15:37.54 | aborrero | vitaerk: please, feel free to open bugs for suricata if you find any :-) |
| 15:38.00 | vitaerk | otherwise i had a fresh ruleset from snort... arghhh |
| 15:38.28 | vitaerk | have |
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| 15:38.59 | somiaj | LoRe_: from the man page for apt-get upgrade, "under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed, or packages not already installed retrieved and installed." |
| 15:39.22 | LoRe_ | somiaj: indeed, apt-get upgrade doesn't do that, i was using apt upgrade |
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| 15:39.41 | LoRe_ | very confusing, 3 different tools to manage debian packages :) |
| 15:39.57 | vitaerk | what command i have to use, if i need the name of debian release ... jessie, wheezy etc |
| 15:40.00 | somiaj | LoRe_: yea I haven't payed much attentiont to the differences between apt and apt-get, looks like apt is using aptitudes upgrade/safe-upgrade logic more than apt, that is unfortunate. I like apt-get upgrade. |
| 15:40.10 | vitaerk | only sources.list? |
| 15:40.19 | vitaerk | nothing in uname -r |
| 15:40.28 | vitaerk | uname -a |
| 15:40.33 | somiaj | LoRe_: each has its own use, but I'm surprised apt functions that differntlly then apt-get. But I haven't been watching or using apt. |
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| 15:41.40 | somiaj | vitaerk: and really there is one core tool to manage packages (dpkg), and the apt are different logic/font ends to manage the ability to install packages from a server and figure out the logic to install depends |
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| 15:43.28 | vitaerk | yes, i can download snort.deb, but i prefer to install with apt somiaj |
| 15:43.46 | vitaerk | because of depends |
| 15:44.23 | LoRe_ | somiaj: APT::Install-Recommends "false" and APT::Install-Suggests "false" in apt.conf works, thanks |
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| 15:46.15 | somiaj | LoRe_: I would not disable reocmmends |
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| 15:46.40 | somiaj | LoRe_: by policy those packages should be needed. Though I think sometimes packages get called 'recommends' when they should be 'suggested' |
| 15:46.42 | vitaerk | somiaj: yes, i had never backported something, so i dont know |
| 15:46.44 | somiaj | !recommends |
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| 15:47.15 | somiaj | vitaerk: no. The problem is the binary also depends on packages (some core packages like the libc libaries) and those would also need to be upgraded |
| 15:47.43 | somiaj | vitaerk: so you cannot install a .deb made for a different version of debian (or a different distro) without the chance of also pulling in core libs which will then make your system unsable. |
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| 15:48.22 | somiaj | vitaerk: backporting compiles the software to depend on the libaries in jessie. Since no one has done this for the software you want, you'll have to do it yourself. The factoid I sent you should give you some steps to 'automate this' |
| 15:48.38 | somiaj | vitaerk: but you'll have to first backport the libary, install it (and the -dev version of it) then backport snort |
| 15:48.40 | LoRe_ | somiaj: well the disk space is very limited, i take the risk :) |
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| 15:50.35 | vitaerk | somiaj: ok, thank you for all the informations |
| 15:50.54 | LoRe_ | somiaj: as long as nobody is using Recommends instead of Depends i should be fine |
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| 15:56.32 | thekeys | If e2fsck says root partition is clean, does it mean it is all ok or should I do something else, I saw some errors when I updated pc. It did something with grub |
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| 15:59.28 | unborn | hey guys, I am building up very simple python bot for irc channel.. I like one here on this channel when you say !something bot will give you the answer...is there any way to get have look how its written? |
| 16:00.27 | teraflops | !version |
| 16:00.27 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>. |
| 16:00.39 | teraflops | :s |
| 16:02.05 | jmcnaught | unborn: http://ircbots.debian.net/ has a factoids search, links to source for infobot, links to dpkg bot's wiki page where you can find dumps of its database |
| 16:02.53 | unborn | jmcnaught: thank you! that is exactly what I am looking for.. :) |
| 16:03.19 | abrotman | dpkg: tell unborn about infobot |
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| 16:06.00 | jelly | unborn: dpkg is an infobot, horrible perl mess. Take a look at "limnoria" or its ancestor "supybot", and one of the factoid plugins for those |
| 16:06.34 | jelly | dpkg: what are you |
| 16:06.34 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
| 16:06.41 | jelly | dselect: what are you |
| 16:06.41 | dselect | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
| 16:06.53 | jelly | waitaminute |
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| 16:09.45 | unborn | jelly: well my bot is just one python file.. I want to be able to tell user link or info which is repeated all over day by day.. you know like !letsencrypt > give some info or link.. I already have that but would like to see how to implement that bot till do: !command unborn and bot would reply with my nick name to me |
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| 16:15.42 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
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| 16:20.21 | b0xii | i've got a giant mouse now since I installed nvidia-driver. It is normal size when it moves over windows though. Any ideas? |
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| 16:20.44 | dury | got this issue to install graphic driver http://pastebin.com/xpMmyxT4 |
| 16:21.03 | toruvinn | b0xii, i sorta recall (from like 10 years ago?) you could define the size and/or shadow. |
| 16:21.11 | toruvinn | b0xii, perhaps you need to disable cursor shadow? |
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| 16:21.29 | toruvinn | b0xii, some quick googling: http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8178/README/appendix-d.html |
| 16:22.06 | dury | which do I have to install for that? |
| 16:22.09 | toruvinn | hm, maybe not cursor size then, but i remember the shadow being an issue, yes |
| 16:22.35 | dury | I mean which package? |
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| 16:22.57 | toruvinn | dury, i dunno, xserver-xorg-video-ati? |
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| 16:23.38 | toruvinn | dury, or maybe xserver-xorg-video-radeon? ;-P |
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| 16:24.41 | dury | toruvinn, I'm going to try though |
| 16:24.56 | toruvinn | i'd just install both probably and let X autodetect ;-P |
| 16:25.08 | toruvinn | but i'm lazy, especially since that autodetection is quite reliable |
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| 16:26.36 | b0xii | toruvinn: will try that but it's supposed to default to off |
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| 16:26.56 | dury | both are installed already, toruvinn I don't know what's wrong though |
| 16:27.05 | toruvinn | b0xii, i dunno, im fairly sure i never enabled it and still had issues with that, but bear in mind it really was like 2005 or something ;-) |
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| 16:27.38 | b0xii | toruvinn: thanks. there's an option for hardware rendering of cursor too... will play with that as well |
| 16:28.23 | toruvinn | dury, but what's happening, though? ;-p |
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| 16:28.53 | dury | toruvinn, hang on... !!! |
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| 16:30.43 | shibly | When we update a package, does it remove the older one and install the newer one? Or does it replace the newer one? |
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| 16:31.29 | dury | toruvinn, I don't know I guess it doesn't load or something cheese application doesn't find the device |
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| 16:31.52 | b0xii | toruvinn: no luck with that fix, but thanks for trying |
| 16:31.59 | toruvinn | dury, you should definitely see the XOrg log. |
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| 16:32.33 | dury | toruvinn, where is located it? |
| 16:32.40 | jak2000 | how to find the diferences in filenames from dir1, to dir2? |
| 16:32.51 | jak2000 | i want know only the differences |
| 16:32.52 | OneTonTomato | Hey everyone, I am struggling to get mailcatcher to start on boot with debian 8.4 |
| 16:32.59 | toruvinn | dury, uh, dunno, /var/log? depends on how you launch xorg tbh. :-/ |
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| 16:33.21 | OneTonTomato | I've written /etc/init.d/mailcatcher which supports start|stop|restart |
| 16:33.24 | toruvinn | jak2000, you could probably try two ls -1, sort them, then use comm to find differences... |
| 16:33.35 | toruvinn | jonathaN, actually you dont need to sort that since ls does that for you already. |
| 16:33.44 | OneTonTomato | I've tried update-rc.d mailcatcher defaults && update-rc.d mailcatcher enable |
| 16:33.55 | toruvinn | OneTonTomato, 8? you're on systemd, am i right? :-P |
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| 16:34.14 | OneTonTomato | I'm still confused about systemd vs upstart vs sys-V |
| 16:34.24 | OneTonTomato | So I'm using whatever comes out of the box with debian 8 |
| 16:34.34 | toruvinn | well deb jessie+ is using systemd by default i believe. |
| 16:34.36 | mutante | systemd is the new stuff |
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| 16:34.42 | elusiveother | hello |
| 16:34.43 | dury | toruvinn, mate desktop environment launches automatically... after login user and pwd |
| 16:34.58 | mutante | OneTonTomato: if you have /etc/systemd/system ..it's systemd |
| 16:35.03 | OneTonTomato | checking |
| 16:35.03 | elusiveother | does debian do backports of security patches for nginx? |
| 16:35.06 | toruvinn | dury, so have you checked your /var/log yet? :-P |
| 16:35.19 | OneTonTomato | I do indeed have systemd |
| 16:35.37 | mutante | OneTonTomato: that you use the "systemctl" command for services etc |
| 16:35.42 | mutante | then |
| 16:35.44 | dury | toruvinn, so is it in location then? |
| 16:35.45 | elusiveother | i see there are a ton of CVEs for nginx between the packaged debian version and the current release |
| 16:35.47 | toruvinn | OneTonTomato, it's easy to check. you just do ps aux and if you hear "OMFG" there's systemd in there ;^) |
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| 16:35.59 | toruvinn | dury, is it really that hard to just check what's in /var/log? |
| 16:36.01 | dury | toruvinn, I mean that location |
| 16:36.19 | dury | toruvinn, ok hang on |
| 16:36.22 | OneTonTomato | Alright, so with systemd I need to write a script /etc/systemd/system/mailcatcher.service it looks like. |
| 16:36.52 | toruvinn | OneTonTomato, i don't even know. you probably have to sacrifice a newborn too, otherwise it won't run. |
| 16:36.54 | jmcnaught | elusiveother: yes, you can track the backported security fixes with this site: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/nginx |
| 16:36.56 | toruvinn | i... dislike systemd. |
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| 16:37.11 | elusiveother | thank you very much, jmcnaught |
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| 16:37.24 | elusiveother | toruvinn, i haven't met a person who doesn't |
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| 16:38.40 | jmcnaught | OneTonTomato: systemd is backwards compatible with LSB init scripts, you can "systemctl enable <service name>" with just an init script, however service unit files are much easier to write than init scripts |
| 16:38.48 | toruvinn | elusiveother, the creators, probably. |
| 16:38.52 | jak2001 | sorry |
| 16:39.00 | jak2001 | how to find the diferences in filenames from dir1, to dir2? i want know only the differences |
| 16:39.11 | mutante | OneTonTomato: yes, that is right, you want to put a foo.service file in /etc/systemd/system |
| 16:39.13 | dury | toruvinn, in /var/log there are Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old |
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| 16:39.19 | toruvinn | jak2001, what about that comm of ls -1 output of both dirs? |
| 16:39.49 | mutante | OneTonTomato: as long as it's just a single process that is started, it's not too complex, let me show you a simple example |
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| 16:40.03 | jmcnaught | jak2001: or a dry-run with "rsync -n" |
| 16:40.16 | dury | toruvinn, which one Xorg.0.log or Xorg.0.log.old ? |
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| 16:40.33 | mutante | OneTonTomato: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/284293/4/modules/mw_rc_irc/files/systemd/ircd.service |
| 16:40.36 | biggwutt | i just deleted a bunch of files on ext4 - i have a way to recover them, but not their filenames, which I really need |
| 16:40.41 | toruvinn | dury, i'd probably prefer the non-old one... |
| 16:40.44 | biggwutt | any recommendations? |
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| 16:41.04 | jmcnaught | !enter |
| 16:41.04 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 16:41.21 | shibly | When we update a package, does it remove the older one and install the newer one? Or does it replace the newer one? |
| 16:41.35 | jmcnaught | you all are really difficult to follow when you split your self up on to multiple lines while others are talking and doing the same. |
| 16:41.43 | dury | toruvinn, so Xorg.0.log? |
| 16:42.02 | toruvinn | biggwutt, well don't think directory entries are wiped on deletion on ext4, as opposed to indirect+ blocks... so perhaps you could try dumping the directory inode to a file and just trying to analyze that? |
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| 16:42.46 | somiaj | shibly: replace. |
| 16:42.51 | mutante | OneTonTomato: that's like the minimal thing you need, [Unit] [Service] an ExecStart command, that "WantedBy" part to make it start at boot. there is lots more of course if you get more complex |
| 16:42.54 | jak2001 | toruvinn, ls -l give me 2 files |
| 16:43.02 | toruvinn | biggwutt, i frankly don't remember, though, what happens to directory entries on deletion, especially on ext4. but dumping the inode to file sounds like a good start. just don't touch the directory contents yet. |
| 16:43.06 | somiaj | shibly: and 'upgrade' is the word that gets used, 'update' means just updating the database (no actual installs) |
| 16:43.37 | toruvinn | jak2001, -1 not -l, (that's one, not "l" as in "lydia"), and when you have those two files with filenames (sorted) you can use comm on that. may i suggest `man comm'? |
| 16:43.44 | jak2001 | ye |
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| 16:43.53 | jak2001 | ok yes ls -1 gve me 2 files |
| 16:44.01 | jak2001 | wich it si this command? |
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| 16:44.30 | OneTonTomato | mutante: Here's what I've got: http://paste.debian.net/439735/ |
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| 16:44.54 | OneTonTomato | mutante: Then I tried systemctl enable mailcatcher.service |
| 16:45.12 | OneTonTomato | It had a couple of warnings but generally seemed to work, but on reboot it still won't start. |
| 16:45.29 | dury | toruvinn, here it is what's on Xorg.0.log http://paste.debian.net/439736/ |
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| 16:45.38 | jmcnaught | OneTonTomato: did you check the journal for that service? |
| 16:45.44 | Tempname440 | Hello, can anyone help me with a linux installation on free dos problem please? |
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| 16:46.49 | OneTonTomato | mutante: If I run journalctl it tells me no journal files were found. |
| 16:47.12 | shibly | somiaj, There is a command 'aptitude update <package>' |
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| 16:47.41 | mutante | OneTonTomato: that looks like a good start and about the same i have. it worked for me to get it started after boot with the multi-user.target |
| 16:47.45 | mutante | hmm |
| 16:48.13 | somiaj | shibly: the man page here does not mention that command. |
| 16:48.25 | somiaj | shibly: are you sure it isn't just 'aptitude update' and the <package> is just ignored |
| 16:48.32 | jmcnaught | OneTonTomato: are you running journalctl as root or a member of the adm group? "systemctl status mailcatcher" shoudl also show the last few log entries |
| 16:48.32 | toruvinn | dury, frankly i haven't played with that for years now, but it doesn't really seem like there's a problem with your graphics driver there. |
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| 16:48.47 | mutante | OneTonTomato: does the EnvironmentFile thing really start with "=-" instead of just =? i dont know about that yet |
| 16:48.48 | toruvinn | dury, [ 28.389] (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300" (ChipID = 0x7210) |
| 16:48.55 | toruvinn | dury, it detected your gpu just fine. |
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| 16:49.00 | somiaj | shibly: when I run 'aptitude update <package>' I get the error, "E: The update command takes no arguments", what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:49.10 | Tempname440 | Hello, can anyone help me with a linux installation on free dos problem please? After I boot from the USB stick and choose to install ubuntu the screen goes black. |
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| 16:49.24 | shibly | somiaj, aptitude update gnome-terminal |
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| 16:49.47 | OneTonTomato | jmcnaught: I am root |
| 16:49.52 | jmcnaught | dury: it looks like you're stuck in software rendering. you are probably lacking the firmware needed by the radeon driver. This page has the instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 16:49.54 | tako | i removed virtualbox because i install it from their source not from debian repos now i'm trying to install virtualbox from jessie backports i'm getting this error -> http://kopy.io/DgF0Z |
| 16:50.22 | toruvinn | jak2001, so, how's with your ls -1 dir1/ > out1 && ls -1 dir2/ > out2 && comm (-3?) out1 out2 |
| 16:50.24 | jmcnaught | OneTonTomato: if you run "journalctl" with no arguments does it still say no journal files found? did you disable journald or something? |
| 16:51.00 | OneTonTomato | jmcnaught: When I run systemctl status mailcatcher I get Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1 |
| 16:51.19 | somiaj | shibly: I used an actual apckage name that I have installed. Again that command doesn't work like that on debian jessie, it gives the error I gave you. So what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:51.37 | dury | jmcnaught, sure? |
| 16:51.40 | OneTonTomato | This is a clean install in a LXC container, I wonder what I've messed up |
| 16:52.17 | shibly | somiaj, I think, the command is 'aptitude install gnome-terminal' this also updates the package |
| 16:52.43 | dury | jmcnaught, see what's happen |
| 16:52.49 | jmcnaught | dury: in your Xorg.0.log file the errors are prefaced with "(EE)" which is only mentioned twice, search that paste/file for EE and you'll see the error. ATI/AMD cards need a firmware to do acceleration |
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| 16:53.15 | somiaj | shibly: install will install the current version available to apt, this will upgrade the package if there is a newer version available and the package is already installed (it will also switch the install flag from auto to manual if it was an auto isntalled package) |
| 16:53.17 | jmcnaught | OneTonTomato: ahh.. it's a container. is the host running systemd? are you sure the container is? |
| 16:53.20 | somiaj | shibly: this is not 'update' |
| 16:53.20 | jhutchins | shibly: Yes, that's correct. Update doesn't take arguments, it updates the repo lists. |
| 16:53.32 | dury | jmcnaught, all right |
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| 16:53.53 | OneTonTomato | jmcnaught: Ah maybe that's it then. I'm on proxmox. |
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| 16:54.04 | OneTonTomato | jmcnaught: Maybe I'll switch to a full VM |
| 16:54.14 | shibly | somiaj, aptitude install gnome-terminal should update the older gnome-terminal, but you have run aptitude update first |
| 16:54.26 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell OneTonTomato about proxmox |
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| 16:55.08 | somiaj | shibly: as I said, be careful about your vocabulary. 'update' does not mean install or upgrade. It only means update the database. |
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| 16:55.55 | OneTonTomato | jmcnaught: Thanks for helping me understand what's going on. I think I'm going to switch to a full debian VM and I can probably get it working from there. |
| 16:56.30 | shibly | somiaj, Yes, aptitude update only updates the repository |
| 16:56.35 | jmcnaught | OneTonTomato: as the message from dpkg says, we can't help you with Proxmox stuff related to the host, but I would take a look at the LXC template script provided by proxmox to see if it disables systemd in containers (which is not done by LXC on Debian) |
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| 16:57.59 | jhutchins | The "update" argument works to update packages on yum, afik it's never done that on apt/dpkg. |
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| 17:01.36 | biggwutt | toruvinn: is this the right tool for your suggestion about directory inode dumping? http://www.cs.montana.edu/courses/309/topics/4-disks/debugfs_example.html |
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| 17:15.34 | fred1807 | why 'apt-get install php5' comes with apache2 ? I just want to install php and not apache service |
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| 17:18.00 | jelly | fred1807: because the "php5" metapackage picks the first alternative out of several possible. Look at Depends in "apt-cache show php5" output and install, for example, php5-fpm if that's what you plan to use. |
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| 17:18.31 | fred1807 | oh i see, now I understand, thank you |
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| 17:30.31 | jelly | ,v megatools |
| 17:30.32 | judd | Package: megatools on amd64 -- sid: 1.9.97-1; stretch: 1.9.97-1 |
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| 18:01.35 | SuperNull | my mind is drawing a complete blank .. what is that software that will watch log files (like sshd) and iptables firewall them based on too many failed attempts ? |
| 18:01.59 | toruvinn | SuperNull, fail2ban or sshguard? |
| 18:02.12 | SuperNull | fail2ban <3 |
| 18:02.15 | SuperNull | ty man. |
| 18:02.17 | toruvinn | yw |
| 18:02.17 | SuperNull | forgot. |
| 18:02.20 | toruvinn | happens |
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| 18:08.00 | Kralizec | hi |
| 18:09.28 | Kralizec | does anybody know why might it be that (in sid, so it's not like it's a complain or anything, just curious) xserver-xorg-core is messing with my init system, trying to take sysvinit away from me? |
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| 18:10.00 | Kralizec | or some way to trace the dependency chain that led to that |
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| 18:11.38 | Kralizec | ops, sorry, just saw the topic... off to the proper channel |
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| 18:43.10 | syncrr | hello. |
| 18:43.36 | jewel | I have a Skylake cpu which causes vlc to segfault in _lll_lock_elision. Is there a different version of libc that I can install to work around this? I'm using testing which has a libc version of 2.22-5 |
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| 18:44.34 | syncrr | is there any way to get the version of plymouth that comes with jessie to work with graphical themes when using fglrx? |
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| 18:44.51 | syncrr | which doesn't do kernel modesetting (grr amd) |
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| 18:53.16 | Enissay | Hey guys, It's been a while I cannot install anything on my wheezy (7) server, is it something broken for me ? |
| 18:53.45 | Enissay | I'm trying to install openvpn and every single command is failing :x |
| 18:53.45 | greycat | Enissay: what error do you get? |
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| 18:55.45 | Enissay | greycat, http://pastebin.com/cqZcwCaz |
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| 18:56.34 | greycat | ,v mono-devel |
| 18:56.35 | judd | Package: mono-devel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.7-5.1; squeeze-security: 2.6.7-5.1; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6.7-5.1+deb6u2; wheezy: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; jessie: 3.2.8+dfsg-10; stretch: 4.2.1.102+dfsg2-6; sid: 4.2.1.102+dfsg2-7 |
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| 18:56.59 | greycat | You must have installed something from a non-Debian repository. |
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| 18:57.25 | Enissay | Maybe, is there a way to correct it ? |
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| 18:57.45 | greycat | Your command wants mono-devel (= 4.2.3.4-0xamarin2) which is nothing like the wheezy version number at all |
| 18:58.36 | Enissay | I'm planning to install a fresh new version, but not before September, i'll have to live with this :-/ |
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| 19:02.09 | jmcnaught | Enissay: you can probably clean this up by removing the third-party repo you got mono from and then purging its packages, and replacing them with official Debian packages. Also Wheezy support is ending at the end of this month, you may want to use Wheezy-LTS (which is mostly going to cover server related packages) or upgrade to Jessie if you want security updates |
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| 19:03.46 | Enissay | jmcnaught, how to do that without knowing what package is concerned, I've been using this server for more than 2 years, I have no idea what happened in the mean time xD |
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| 19:05.16 | jmcnaught | Enissay: the package(s) concerend are the ones that apt is complaining about, like mono-develop |
| 19:05.35 | greycat | mono-complete and mono-devel at the very least |
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| 19:06.02 | jmcnaught | Enissay: it could be tricky if you have software depending on these mono packages, this is one of the risks of using third-party repos |
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| 19:07.38 | Enissay | I've cleaned my sources.list to http://pastebin.com/whG7XUpb |
| 19:07.42 | Enissay | is that fine ? |
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| 19:09.30 | jmcnaught | Enissay: that looks fine for now, but you could also have sources listed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, also if you don't remember why you installed third-party mono packages in the first place, you could break whatever is using them, so be careful |
| 19:10.27 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Enissay about wheezy-lts |
| 19:10.50 | Enissay | I think I know why, it was some failed experience... we'll see, if all falls appart, maybe that's the push I need to make a fresh install :x |
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| 19:11.39 | jmcnaught | Enissay: if downtime is a concern installing a fresh Jessie system and migrating services to it one by one might be a safer method than going full cowboy on your production server |
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| 19:12.21 | Enissay | It's a personal server ;-) |
| 19:12.49 | Enissay | And apt-get --purge remove mono-devel |
| 19:12.50 | Enissay | gives the same damn error :-/ |
| 19:14.05 | jmcnaught | Enissay: aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?archive(stable)))' <--- this command might help you figure out which packages aren't from Debian. Also can you make a paste of the command+output (and use http://paste.debian.net instead of pastebin)? |
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| 19:14.44 | Enissay | Oh, just found this "aptitude purge ~c" and it proposed to remove both packages... it's working... |
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| 19:14.46 | syncrr | can the debian installer put the /boot partition on a usb stick and everything else (/, swap) on an encrypted lvm on the internal disk? |
| 19:15.10 | syncrr | and would debian run fine with that setup? assuming that i always have the usb stick plugged in when i do anything that touches /boot. |
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| 19:17.41 | syncrr | i have the normal encrypted lvm setup now (plaintext /boot, encrypted lvm with / and swap all on the internal disk) and i'd like to make the system unbootable without the usb stick. |
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| 19:21.35 | dontknow | syncrr, i remember i saw a guide for that |
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| 19:22.40 | syncrr | dontknow: any search term hints? |
| 19:23.39 | dontknow | syncrr, encrypted lvm, bootable usb stic, evil maid aattack |
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| 19:26.21 | Enissay | Oh, it looks like it worked so far, my main application is still working, so i'll discover the damages later I guess, but it's good so far |
| 19:26.41 | Enissay | jmcnaught, greycat thanks guys for your assistance <3 |
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| 19:49.10 | crayon | is there any way to restrict sftp to write/put only? |
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| 19:59.40 | elusiveother | hello, i've installed atheme-services from debian's repos on debian 8.3, but it doesn't seem to have installed any of the auth modules |
| 19:59.42 | Iridos | crayon, configure ChrootDirectory in sshd_config and make that directory write-only? |
| 19:59.52 | elusiveother | has anyone run into this issue before? |
| 20:00.06 | Iridos | mmh. but that breaks ssh access |
| 20:00.29 | greycat | He's getting answers in #openssh also. |
| 20:00.56 | markybob | how rude |
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| 20:02.09 | Iridos | hopefully better ones, because ChrootDirectory breaks ssh access for everyone... so I don't see a great solution (perhaps a 2nd sshd run as a user on a 2nd port) |
| 20:02.35 | crayon | i do appreciate your feedback Iridos |
| 20:02.38 | crayon | thank you very much |
| 20:02.38 | Iridos | that was quite easy to do with anonymous ftp, though |
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| 20:03.41 | elusiveother | i've figured it out |
| 20:03.45 | elusiveother | thank you |
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| 20:04.44 | Iridos | elusiveother, was it /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/atheme/modules/nickserv/ ? |
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| 20:06.07 | elusiveother | no, i tried to load from the wrong path. i put modules/auth/posix instead of /modules/crypto/posix |
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| 20:34.54 | bamb | why do i get the same number every time i call random()? |
| 20:35.11 | jgarvey | I have a Linux appliance (old debian based ~2.6.37 kernel) that NFS boots. I'd been using Ubuntu 12.04 as the NFS server, then I moved to Jessie, and now I have to restart the nfs-kernel-server on Jessie before the appliance will boot. This is almost 100% repeatable. Failure to restart the kernel server results in the appliance not finding its file system. I'm pretty good with Linux, but don't know much about NFS, and this has me stumped. I can't find anything |
| 20:35.12 | jgarvey | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.15 | bamb | is it automatically seeded or something? |
| 20:35.17 | greycat | because you didn't seed it with srandom() |
| 20:35.56 | bamb | greycat: how would i call those APIs? |
| 20:36.08 | greycat | If you can call random() then you can call srandom(). |
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| 20:36.21 | greycat | They even share a man page. |
| 20:36.30 | bamb | yea im looking at that now |
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| 20:36.44 | bamb | am i supposed to call srandom() INSTEAD of random()? |
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| 20:37.24 | greycat | You call srandom once at the start of the program. |
| 20:37.43 | AimHere | You also have to feed it a number that changes every time the program runs, like something derived from the time function |
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| 20:40.07 | bamb | ok, so srandom(time(0)); random(); random(); random(); random(); |
| 20:40.08 | bamb | right? |
| 20:40.26 | greycat | yes, essentially |
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| 20:40.52 | AimHere | Yeah. The way that pseudorandom number generators work is that they just take a seed value, make a new seed with it and spit out a random number generator, and use that seed for the next random number |
| 20:41.02 | AimHere | *spit out a random number |
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| 20:41.04 | PryMar56 | jgarvey, (cd /etc/systemd/system; mkdir -i nfs-kernel-server.service.d; cd nfs-k*; echo '[unit]\nAfter=network-online.target' > override.conf) |
| 20:41.08 | greycat | Depends on the PRNG, but close enough. |
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| 20:41.27 | PryMar56 | jgarvey, mkdir -p |
| 20:41.56 | greycat | And CHECK the results of cd!! |
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| 20:42.07 | greycat | (cd /foo || exit; mkdir -p blah; cd bar || exit; ...) |
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| 20:42.20 | greycat | Never let a script continue running after a cd fails. |
| 20:42.40 | PryMar56 | jgarvey, its sloppy psuedo code |
| 20:43.01 | jgarvey | PryMar56: Can you help me understand what this does? Is systemd interfering with NFS? |
| 20:43.35 | bamb | ok thanks guys |
| 20:43.36 | PryMar56 | jgarvey, its sequence config so nfs-kernel-server starts after network is online |
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| 20:44.24 | jgarvey | PryMar56: The Jessie server is up (day), then I reboot the appliance. This will affect that case? |
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| 20:45.37 | PryMar56 | jgarvey, override.conf should have 2 lines.. its pretty harmless |
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| 20:45.59 | PryMar56 | very little can go wrong, a lot can go right |
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| 20:48.55 | PryMar56 | jgarvey, to sanity check systemd, after the edit: systemctl daemon-reload |
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| 20:49.04 | PryMar56 | then check logs |
| 20:49.28 | jgarvey | PryMar56: Already did, and tried 1st reboot successfully. |
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| 20:52.59 | jgarvey | pryMar56: nope, 2nd reboot couldn't find the file system on the server |
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| 20:54.31 | jgarvey | PryMar56: If you've got any other ideas or suggestions, I'd be interested. |
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| 20:56.12 | PryMar56 | jgarvey, systemctl status nfs-kernel-server <-- double check that override conf is inline |
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| 20:58.07 | jgarvey | PryMar56: I see a line with Drop-In:...with the directory you had me create, and then some line graphics for override.conf underneath it. |
| 20:58.33 | PryMar56 | jgarvey, thats it. The config is used |
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| 21:02.55 | DammitJim | is there a utility that will ensure that a samba mount is always available? |
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| 21:03.05 | DammitJim | I don't know why I have some servers where I have an fstab entry |
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| 21:03.16 | DammitJim | and I just checked some of those servers and the mount is not there |
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| 21:03.44 | PryMar56 | jgarvey, when the appliance boots any log info about nfs3 or nfs4 issues? |
| 21:05.07 | jgarvey | Prymar56: Definitely NFSv3. |
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| 21:05.30 | jgarvey | PryMar56: definitely NFSv3 |
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| 21:05.46 | stripe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:08.43 | PryMar56 | jgarvey, your firewall might open 2049 later than you think in boot sequence |
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| 21:08.58 | CaptianFalcon | hey everyone, I'm having trouble with my apache configuration. mod_expires is listed as enabled, but I can't find the .conf file. All other enabled mods have .load and .conf, but it only has .conf. Should I just create it? |
| 21:09.39 | CaptianFalcon | it only has .load i mean |
| 21:09.41 | jgarvey | PryMar56: No firewall. Server's up for days. So no timing at startup issues. |
| 21:09.50 | unborn | guys is it okay to start cron job with very long time operation and leave it running? or I shall use something like nohup /command... in cron? |
| 21:10.07 | jmcnaught | CaptianFalcon: some apache modules only have a .load file, no .conf file |
| 21:10.37 | jgarvey | PryMar56: Both boxes on same subnet |
| 21:11.13 | CaptianFalcon | jmcnaught: so how do I configure the settings of mod_expires? |
| 21:11.19 | warsoul | help |
| 21:11.32 | unborn | I mean instead of nohup I shall use & on end of the command.. ? |
| 21:12.01 | jmcnaught | CaptianFalcon: you could make a conf and put it in conf-available, then turn it on with a2enconf, or use the directives in VirtualHosts that they're relevant for |
| 21:12.37 | PryMar56 | jgarvey, showmount -e localhost <-- from nfs server |
| 21:13.14 | CaptianFalcon | jmcnaught: thank you! |
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| 21:13.49 | jgarvey | PryMar56: Yes, NFS image is exported, and available to the world. |
| 21:14.02 | DammitJim | anybody? |
| 21:14.09 | CaptianFalcon | jmcnaught: if I'm configuring server-wide, does the same advice apply just in mods-available? |
| 21:14.19 | jgarvey | PryMar56: Remember all I do is 'service nfs-kernel-server restart' to "fix" the problem. |
| 21:15.11 | jmcnaught | CaptianFalcon: i suppose you could put a .conf file in mods-available, but i think conf-available is a better place for local stuff. |
| 21:15.47 | Kobaz | hey, trying to install audacity on wheezy: libgnutls30 : Conflicts: libhogweed2 but 2.7.1-5 is to be installed Conflicts: libnettle4 but 2.7.1-5 is to be installed |
| 21:16.08 | CaptianFalcon | jmcnaught: great. thanks again |
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| 21:17.24 | jmcnaught | DammitJim: if it's systemd you could check the status of the mount unit. "systemctl list-units -t mount" to get a list, then "systemctl status <mount name>". This should also show journal entries related to that mount |
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| 21:18.07 | jgarvey | PryMar56: In addition, I use the PC-NFS in Windows7 to mount a different area from the same server, and it works without fail... my issue is that the Ubuntu 12.04 worked great. Jessie doesn't. Some incompatibity has been added that I need a way around. |
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| 21:18.27 | markybob | Kobaz: that package isn't in wheezy. or jessie. so you messed your sources hugely |
| 21:18.39 | markybob | !tell Kobaz about dontbreakdebian |
| 21:18.50 | markybob | Kobaz: read what the bot /msg'd you and don't do it again |
| 21:18.55 | Kobaz | yeah yeah |
| 21:18.57 | Kobaz | i'm familiar with that |
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| 21:19.00 | PryMar56 | jgarvey, how about rpc* services in jessie? are they healthy? systemctl list-unit-files | grep rpc |
| 21:19.01 | Kobaz | i fixed it |
| 21:19.16 | markybob | Kobaz: so why ask? |
| 21:19.30 | Kobaz | i thought i had everything situated |
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| 21:19.38 | Kobaz | it wasn't fixed at the time i asked |
| 21:19.55 | jgarvey | PryMar56: just "rpcbind.target static" |
| 21:20.49 | ENOSPC | DammitJim maybe autofs can do that.. ? |
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| 21:21.45 | DammitJim | autofs? |
| 21:21.49 | DammitJim | hhmmm... thanks! |
| 21:21.52 | DammitJim | I'll have to read up on that |
| 21:22.40 | jmcnaught | DammitJim: checking your logs to see what's failing would be a better first step than introducing new software to your problem |
| 21:22.55 | ENOSPC | best of luck to you. mounting remote shares over a flaky network link can be tricky :) |
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| 21:30.18 | DammitJim | jmcnaught, what logs should I look at? |
| 21:30.24 | DammitJim | I don't see anything about this mount |
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| 21:30.31 | DammitJim | shoot |
| 21:30.40 | DammitJim | or maybe it was never mounted after the last reboot 36 days ago |
| 21:30.47 | jmcnaught | DammitJim: did the commands i recommend above show any log/journal entries? |
| 21:31.23 | DammitJim | jmcnaught, I just saw that I missed some of your comments |
| 21:31.24 | DammitJim | let me read them |
| 21:32.21 | DammitJim | no systemd :( |
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| 21:33.27 | jmcnaught | DammitJim: wheezy? did you try grepping /var/log/syslog for the name of the mount? |
| 21:33.49 | DammitJim | yeah, wheezy |
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| 21:34.03 | DammitJim | I did: in /var/log |
| 21:34.12 | DammitJim | grep -ri RailUP * |
| 21:34.17 | DammitJim | RailUP is part of the mount |
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| 21:35.35 | jmcnaught | DammitJim: if it didn't find anything, perhaps the error happened so long ago it's be logrotated out if you have a lot of uptime and it hasn't been mounted this whole time |
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| 21:35.56 | DammitJim | it found something about ureadahead |
| 21:36.00 | DammitJim | not sure why |
| 21:36.05 | markybob | DammitJim: i haven't been paying attention, but fyi, you know wheezy support ends in 6 days? then moves to LTS so security won't really be...great |
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| 21:36.35 | DammitJim | markybob, yes, sir...! |
| 21:36.42 | alioui_ | hi i am trying to start a service but it always exit systemctl status service : Active: active (exited) ?? |
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| 21:37.34 | brigo | alioui_, it could be a good output if the service is a oneshot kind |
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| 21:39.28 | alioui_ | brigo : no process froked ps -C nutcracker ==> no output |
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| 21:39.50 | alioui_ | and there is nothing listen to port 22121 |
| 21:40.05 | alioui_ | so idon't think so |
| 21:40.13 | jmcnaught | alioui_: does the service have a systemd service unit, or is it using an LSB init script? |
| 21:40.35 | alioui_ | lsb init |
| 21:40.58 | honey__ | hello iam new to debian but i was trying to install iptables sudo apt-get install iptables it works fine but when i am trying to start by command"sudo /etc/init.d/iptables start" it doesnt work any help? |
| 21:41.29 | jmcnaught | alioui_: systemd doesn't get enough information from LSB init scripts to know if it should run long term or is just a one-shot, that's why the unit reports active exited |
| 21:42.13 | Whiskey | what about this error? |
| 21:42.23 | Whiskey | wget: p11-kit: couldn't load module: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:42.36 | markybob | honey__: you don't start it. you just make rules. |
| 21:43.03 | alioui_ | jmcnaught even service nutcracker start is unable to start the service |
| 21:43.51 | honey__ | <markybob>were can i make rules in which directory? |
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| 21:44.13 | jmcnaught | alioui_: service is just a wrapper for systemctl when systemd is used. i don't know nutcracker, but does the journal give any more clues why it won't start? Did it used to start, or did you just install it? Checked /usr/share/doc/nutcracker for debian specific instructions? |
| 21:44.19 | markybob | honey__: there is no directory. you need to read some iptables tutorials. you just type iptables followed by the rules |
| 21:44.34 | markybob | honey__: also there is ##netfilter which is the home of iptables |
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| 21:45.22 | markybob | honey__: more to the point, why do you think you need iptables? |
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| 21:47.35 | honey__ | markybob:i was following this instruction https://kura.io/2010/02/11/howto-iptables-on-debian-ubuntu/ and i need it for filter and NAT and portforwarding |
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| 21:47.59 | alioui_ | jmcnaught it says the service is unable to find config file in /etc/nutcracker/nutcracker.yml but i already have a config file there |
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| 21:48.33 | jhutchins | honey__: Read this: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 21:48.56 | alioui_ | nutcracker: configuration file '/etc/nutcracker/nutcracker.yml' syntax is ok |
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| 21:49.22 | ironpillow | hi all, can someone link a blog/tutorial on how to install debian as domU. currently I have debian as dom0 on xen 4.6.0. thanks! |
| 21:49.29 | jmcnaught | alioui_: is there a /etc/default/nutcracker file? |
| 21:49.33 | jhutchins | alioui_: The error message may be because there is a lock file somewhere, try stopping the service to clean it up. |
| 21:49.56 | jhutchins | alioui_: As far as the conf file goes, make sure it's named correctly and has the correct permissions; see what the default or configured file is. |
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| 21:52.22 | alioui_ | ok thanks errors start to come out 'permission problem to log file' |
| 21:54.22 | jhutchins | alioui_: Check for man pages that may explain how to run it. Also check /usr/share/doc/nucracker*/ for README files, especially README.debian |
| 21:54.45 | alioui_ | ok thanks |
| 21:55.31 | jhutchins | alioui_: You might also check their webpage. |
| 21:56.24 | jhutchins | alioui_: https://github.com/twitter/twemproxy/blob/master/scripts/nutcracker.init.debian |
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| 22:12.03 | foul_owl | What's a screensaver alternative to xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver? |
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| 22:13.38 | zykotick9 | foul_owl: cmatrix ;) i saw that xscreensaver warning in gnome = super annoying. |
| 22:14.13 | foul_owl | Haha yep |
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| 22:14.30 | foul_owl | Also xscreensaver seems to crash for me sometimes |
| 22:15.06 | markybob | !xscreensave |
| 22:15.10 | markybob | !xscreensaver |
| 22:15.10 | dpkg | XScreenSaver upstream doesn't understand that people don't want to spend their lives upgrading every component from git and that a stable distro is a good idea so inserted silly "very old" alerts. This annoying warning is removed from the packages in jessie-updates and sid. https://bugs.debian.org/819703 ; consider light-locker as alternative program. |
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| 22:16.43 | honey__ | markybob: how can i activate after i set the rules? |
| 22:16.53 | markybob | honey__: it's automatic |
| 22:17.06 | markybob | honey__: once you type in the rule it's law |
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| 22:18.40 | honey__ | markybob: let say i have already saved the rules in /etc/iptables.rules |
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| 22:19.14 | foul_owl | Thanks, I'll look at light-locker also |
| 22:19.27 | markybob | honey__: you should really be asking ##netfilter |
| 22:20.11 | markybob | honey__: sorry, just #netfilter. not ## |
| 22:20.30 | honey__ | markybob: ok thanks |
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| 22:30.28 | frostschutz | foul_owl, xtrlock -b? ;) |
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| 22:34.34 | frostschutz | foul_owl, combine with xautolock(delay,corners) and xeyes(notifier) |
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| 22:37.09 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 22:38.09 | Posterdati | please help: I've got jessie running on an HP Pro 3405 Series MT, it freezes while accessing usb for a canon scanner/printer with xsane |
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| 22:40.30 | Posterdati | no kernel errors |
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| 23:05.03 | toothe | Hi all! I'm trying to follow this guide to install Debian on my chromebook: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/Chromebook%2014 |
| 23:05.11 | toothe | NOT Crouton |
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