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| 00:17.56 | jhutchins | Have there been changes in how chrome is distributed? I'm getting an error from the repo. |
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| 00:18.48 | markybob | jhutchins: 404? |
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| 00:19.30 | jhutchins | markybob: Unable to find the list, not 404. |
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| 00:19.41 | markybob | jhutchins: me too. not sure what that's about. |
| 00:19.58 | jhutchins | markybob: Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
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| 00:20.13 | jhutchins | markybob: What release are you on? |
| 00:20.18 | markybob | jhutchins: jessie |
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| 00:21.05 | jhutchins | markybob: wheezy here. I should fix that. |
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| 00:22.04 | markybob | jhutchins: wait a second. i just noticed you listed i386. chrome stopped supporting that |
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| 00:22.45 | markybob | i'm on amd64 but also having repo problems with chrome |
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| 00:23.26 | jhutchins | markybob: Ah, well, time to fix that too. |
| 00:23.36 | somiaj | yea, afiak the new chrome packages now correctly put deb [arch=amd64] mirror in their sources.list, but older isntalls may need you to add that |
| 00:23.46 | jhutchins | markybob: But still, if you're on jessie/64 and getting the same error. |
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| 00:24.23 | markybob | jhutchins: yeah i'm not sure. maybe it's something larger. |
| 00:24.31 | jhutchins | somiaj: If I do that it'll break - this is the older architecture. |
| 00:24.48 | somiaj | jhutchins: so wheezy's apt doesn't support the [arch=] feature? |
| 00:24.52 | jhutchins | somiaj: Hardware is capable, but I never re-installed for 64b. |
| 00:25.12 | somiaj | or is this just an 32bit install? |
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| 00:25.19 | jhutchins | somiaj: The latter. |
| 00:25.42 | somiaj | might just have to only use chromium, or enable multiarch and run an amd64 kernel to get chrome. |
| 00:26.07 | jhutchins | somiaj: I've had it since 64 was questionable if you didn't need it, and done upgrades rather than rebuilds, so never got to 64. |
| 00:26.12 | markybob | i don't think chromium (meaning new with update support) has i386 support either |
| 00:26.25 | jhutchins | somiaj: I need to rebuild about half a dozen systems for that. |
| 00:27.01 | somiaj | jhutchins: on 32bit wheezy you should be able to just install an amd64 bit kernel and be running 32bit userland just fine. |
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| 00:27.32 | markybob | yes but we're talking about a program that dropped 32-bit support |
| 00:27.33 | somiaj | jhutchins: then you just need the 64bit libs and chrome if you really need chrome. Besides for netflix, I use chromium for my use and that should work just fine. |
| 00:27.39 | jhutchins | somiaj: What would the advantage of that? |
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| 00:28.02 | jhutchins | somiaj: Yeah, I'm acutally on chromium on my other desktop. |
| 00:28.12 | somiaj | jhutchins: if you wanted to run 64bit chrome, you should be able to do it in a 32bit userland with multiarch (not positive, but in theory it is possible) |
| 00:28.42 | markybob | no. how? |
| 00:28.42 | somiaj | I've never done multiarch from 32bit, but with a 64bit kernels (Which are available to 32bit installs) you sould be able to use multiarch the other way. |
| 00:29.18 | jhutchins | I just need to start rebuilding., |
| 00:29.41 | somiaj | again depends on how badly you want chrome or how much work you want to do. My suggestion shoudl be possible from packages inside the debian repo and just some apt-get installs. |
| 00:30.07 | jhutchins | Time to join the 21st century. |
| 00:30.10 | somiaj | though I'd probabaly just ditch chrome on that machine, but that is because I don' tuse chrome for anything except netflix |
| 00:30.16 | markybob | i'd start from stratch since apparently you can afford the downtime |
| 00:30.52 | markybob | spelled correctly |
| 00:31.15 | jhutchins | Yeah, I may have some forced downtime here between jobs, I can plan on that or after the new one starts. |
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| 00:32.19 | somiaj | jhutchins: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 (note you can download an i386 package for that) |
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| 00:35.23 | jhutchins | Not knowing Windows past XP is starting to be a bit of a drag. |
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| 01:10.11 | mathstuf | hi, is there a way to get debootstrap to print out the dependency tree? id like to see why certain packages are brought in |
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| 01:16.43 | mathstuf | im looking to make containers for some webapps, but they bring in their own apache2 even if i list php-fpm |
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| 01:26.48 | arahael | mathstuf: If you're doing the containers thing, you practically might as well script your own setups. |
| 01:27.02 | Saar | any idea how to "re-sign" a local repo using SHA2 instead SHA1? |
| 01:27.12 | Saar | https://juliank.wordpress.com/2016/03/14/dropping-sha-1-support-in-apt/ |
| 01:27.42 | mathstuf | arahael: hmm? |
| 01:28.12 | arahael | mathstuf: ie, install your preferred services. And a particular version of the web app. |
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| 01:29.05 | mathstuf | im fine using debian's packaged versions; its for a "home cloud", nothing like a company deployment |
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| 01:29.32 | arahael | Ah, fair enough. |
| 01:30.02 | mathstuf | hrm, --verbose doesnt help :( just progress of downloading the package list |
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| 01:48.48 | texnofobix | Hi. I'm obviously doing something wrong. Compile my own kernel or using backports doesnt find my lvm + luks devices and refuses to boot. But stock 3.16 works fine. Thoughts on what I am missing? |
| 01:49.49 | somiaj | texnofobix: anything you need from the backports kernel? The 3.16 kernel is the offical kernel for jessie. |
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| 01:50.13 | texnofobix | Yes. I'm trying to get this tplink archer t1u to work. |
| 01:50.16 | somiaj | texnofobix: I know this isn't a solution to your question, just saying you may not need a newer kernel. As for the issue, maybe it has something to do with how the initrd is generated. |
| 01:50.28 | texnofobix | Some reported it working in ubuntu but lacked putting the version. |
| 01:50.40 | texnofobix | in their post |
| 01:50.44 | nevyn | texnofobix: initrd? |
| 01:50.49 | somiaj | I'm a bit fuzzy on the details of the initram fs, but that is what needs to have the info for your lukes setup (something else I don't know much about) |
| 01:51.17 | texnofobix | I did run update-initramfs |
| 01:51.27 | nevyn | texnofobix: the initramfs needs to be built with the key to unlock the luks |
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| 01:51.49 | texnofobix | i type in the keys |
| 01:52.02 | texnofobix | passphrase actually |
| 01:52.08 | texnofobix | or is that the part i'm missing? |
| 01:52.18 | nevyn | you don't type the key |
| 01:52.26 | nevyn | you type a passphrase to unlock the key |
| 01:52.37 | nevyn | which is... in the initramsfs encrypted on disk |
| 01:52.52 | texnofobix | that might be the part ... luks is new to me. :) |
| 01:55.47 | texnofobix | I wonder if dm-crypt is missing? |
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| 01:57.47 | sneak | how do i limit the maximum version number allowed for a package? samba 4.2 is broken for the moment and i want to uninstall it and install 4.1.x |
| 01:59.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sneak about hold |
| 02:00.19 | eclipseee | anyone have the serial debian? |
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| 02:00.32 | abrotman | eclipseee: what? |
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| 02:01.18 | eclipseee | crack or number |
| 02:01.20 | markybob | eclipseee: do you think debian needs a code to install like windows? to prove you paid for it? |
| 02:01.27 | markybob | eclipseee: no. debian is free. |
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| 02:03.34 | eclipseee | You have to crack download |
| 02:03.41 | markybob | eclipseee: no you don't |
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| 02:03.58 | markybob | eclipseee: it's completely open source. free in every way |
| 02:04.33 | arahael | eclipseee: And frankly, if you want to be civilised, you respect the terms and conditions. |
| 02:04.37 | texnofobix | unless you got it from some shady place |
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| 02:04.50 | arahael | eclipseee: If you agree with them, great. If you don't, consider negotiating or discarding it. |
| 02:05.04 | arahael | But as a developer, I find the idea of cracking to be somewhat offensive. |
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| 02:05.39 | eclipseee | ok |
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| 02:06.55 | texnofobix | i'm still confused how the 3.18 kernel is fine with luks lvm but any other kernel fails. |
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| 02:07.31 | markybob | texnofobix: you mean 3.16? |
| 02:07.50 | texnofobix | yep sorry typo |
| 02:07.51 | markybob | texnofobix: what did you do? |
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| 02:08.17 | texnofobix | i'm trying to explicitly add modules now for the initramfs config |
| 02:08.31 | texnofobix | in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 02:09.18 | markybob | texnofobix: did you follow the kernel handbook to rebuild from an existing kernel? |
| 02:09.38 | markybob | texnofobix: how did you build it? |
| 02:09.55 | texnofobix | https://syslint.com/blog/tutorial/how-to-compile-linux-kernel-in-debian-ubuntu-the-easy-way/ |
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| 02:10.24 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.36 | markybob | texnofobix: don't listen to that |
| 02:10.43 | texnofobix | good to know |
| 02:10.46 | markybob | texnofobix: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-building |
| 02:11.08 | markybob | texnofobix: make-kpkg hasn't been valid for a long time |
| 02:12.35 | markybob | texnofobix: i love it when people google first...but when they come in here and say "hey i googled this, is this right?" that's what we want. |
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| 02:12.53 | markybob | texnofobix: blogs fuck people up. that's the truth |
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| 02:14.04 | texnofobix | markybob: i've done the classic build a kernel before |
| 02:14.14 | texnofobix | via gentoo :) |
| 02:14.18 | markybob | texnofobix: on debian you follow the debian way |
| 02:14.32 | texnofobix | which I was tryign to do/learn :) |
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| 02:16.23 | texnofobix | well comparing the contents, I see a difference |
| 02:16.38 | texnofobix | my initramfs is missing dm-crypt |
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| 02:26.42 | mapm | Hello, I have debian with lxde, and the FPS go down from like 10000 to 100 when I draw windows or resize them from small to big. The problem seems to be with medium to big windows. Does anyone know how to solve this? |
| 02:26.43 | internet100 | your disk is already encrypted? |
| 02:26.58 | texnofobix | internet100: yes |
| 02:27.04 | texnofobix | did it during install |
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| 02:27.48 | internet100 | what's the screen's fps? |
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| 02:28.15 | mapm | the window FPS |
| 02:28.52 | internet100 | 60? 120? |
| 02:29.05 | mapm | ah |
| 02:29.08 | mapm | how to know it? |
| 02:29.32 | internet100 | it's 60, for more than 90% of the screens |
| 02:29.53 | mapm | I am using a program called glxgears from a package called mesa-utils to test the window FPS |
| 02:29.58 | internet100 | there's no problem if the fps of the X is higher or the same of your physical screen |
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| 02:30.19 | mapm | of the X you mean of the particular window or the root window? |
| 02:30.20 | nevyn | mapm: umm that doesn't measure the thing you think it measures |
| 02:30.43 | mapm | nevyn: what does it do? |
| 02:30.51 | internet100 | the glxgears is a benchmark to the OpenGL API, which is used to draw windows, play some videos and 3d games |
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| 02:31.00 | nevyn | glxgears is not a benchmark. |
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| 02:32.24 | mapm | the thing is that when I drag a the glxgears window the FPS goes from 480 down to 20, which is just to give a quantitative example of what happens everytime I resize or draw a window around |
| 02:32.38 | abrotman | glxgears is not a benchmark, stop using it like htat |
| 02:33.03 | internet100 | it's like a hello world opengl haha |
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| 02:34.00 | mapm | alright alright, it was just to give an example. it is curious because the "slowing down" only happens when dealing with windowing, not inside the window itself. I mean the animation can be quite complicated but no slowing down |
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| 02:36.32 | internet100 | (compiz) when I resize a window, i see only a blue box, the content still with the same size until i release the mouse button |
| 02:36.57 | internet100 | some windows managers resize in real time (content), it could be slow |
| 02:37.11 | markybob | !compiz |
| 02:37.11 | dpkg | Compiz was a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. Compiz hasn't been developed for some time and is no longer part of Debian (see bugs #719870 and #677864). Plenty of other window managers have the same features as compiz. For a list of available window managers, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». See also http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/ or #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:37.16 | markybob | yeah. don't use that. |
| 02:37.19 | markybob | it's broken |
| 02:38.15 | internet100 | its hard to install (thanks for debian archives / 2012), but i need some accessibility features like better zoom |
| 02:38.42 | internet100 | nowadays some features are integrated with gnome3 and kde |
| 02:38.49 | markybob | so you think installing packages that haven't been developed for four years is a good way to go? |
| 02:38.58 | internet100 | no |
| 02:38.59 | markybob | that's not how things work |
| 02:41.39 | texnofobix | i think I found my problem |
| 02:42.13 | texnofobix | no conf/conf.d/cryptroot in initramfs besides the 3.18 |
| 02:42.41 | markybob | 3.16 |
| 02:42.53 | markybob | unless you're not using debian proper. |
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| 02:43.06 | texnofobix | err there i go again with the typo |
| 02:43.28 | mapm | this is the output of "sudo lspci -vnn | grep VGA -A 12": http://pastebin.com/jtutCECt |
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| 02:44.45 | mapm | maybe the problem is the GPU? I do not know, I am a newbie in graphics, but it still seems suspicious that I only noticed slowing down with windows, not animations |
| 02:44.48 | mapm | nor videos |
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| 04:03.16 | melvin_ | Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? I put HISTTIMEFORMAT="%m/%d/%y %T " in my /home/melvin/bashrc (http://pastebin.com/awT5KqwL). The history command gives me the bash history in the format here http://pastebin.com/hBXMELfR which is as expected. But the timestamps in /home/melvin/.bash_history come out like this http://pastebin.com/absXhqKC. |
| 04:04.02 | somiaj | melvin_: in "bashrc" or ".bashrc" |
| 04:04.10 | somiaj | melvin_: also is this a login shell or not? |
| 04:04.38 | melvin_ | somiaj: .bashrc |
| 04:05.11 | somiaj | melvin_: is this a non-login shell (like say an xterm, you didn't do su inside it either?) |
| 04:05.27 | somiaj | melvin_: echo $HISTITEMFORMAT (this will at least test of the vaiarbile is set) |
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| 04:06.40 | somiaj | melvin_: The slash character might be being used strangely, does it work if you use a dash, '-', if that is the case you may need to escape them out. |
| 04:06.51 | melvin_ | somiaj: It's Konsole and I did not su...the variable is set... |
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| 04:08.17 | melvin_ | somiaj: It accepts the format for the history command and formats the time and date correctly... |
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| 04:10.52 | somiaj | melvin_: yea I miss understood ya. It seems to work fine here |
| 04:11.09 | somiaj | so i'm unsure what the issue could be. |
| 04:11.22 | melvin_ | somiaj: Even in your .bash_history? |
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| 04:12.19 | somiaj | melvin_: ahh I get the same timestamps in there. |
| 04:12.48 | melvin_ | somiaj: Hmmm...bug maybe? |
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| 04:13.25 | somiaj | melvin_: I don't think so. I think it is designed that way. Unsure if you can change it. Those are just time stamps, that are meant to be seen though the history command not the history file. |
| 04:13.39 | somiaj | melvin_: any reason you don't just use the output of history as opposed to the file? |
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| 04:14.37 | melvin_ | somiaj: Well, the file is updated automatically every time you exit the shell... |
| 04:14.56 | somiaj | and when you open a shell it loads it into memory and starts adding to it |
| 04:15.07 | melvin_ | right... |
| 04:15.51 | somiaj | So it may just be designed to only show the fancy output though 'history' and write only the timestamp to the file. |
| 04:16.01 | somiaj | I'm not finding anyting on if this is configurable or not. |
| 04:16.33 | melvin_ | Hmmm...I don't know...I'll ask on #bash : ) |
| 04:16.47 | melvin_ | Thanks! |
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| 04:17.34 | somiaj | melvin_: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/214322/write-bash-history-to-a-file-with-a-timestamp |
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| 04:18.02 | melvin_ | somiaj: Thanks, I'll look... |
| 04:18.10 | somiaj | melvin_: there is some discussion about this there, though mostly in the comments. I see responsense like use a script to turn the timestamp into a more readalbe date if you want. But nothing about changing the actual format of the time stamp |
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| 04:18.26 | somiaj | and that is the stanard, store the time stamp then use a tool to dispaly it fancy. |
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| 04:19.06 | somiaj | the second comment trys to address the users question, which I think is similar to yours. The first answer is mostly the same stuff |
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| 04:22.21 | melvin_ | somiaj: Look at HISTTIMEFORMAT in man bash and it explains what should be expected... :) |
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| 04:24.58 | somiaj | melvin_: must have skimmed over that, I found a quick way with awk to change timestamps into other formats if needed. |
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| 04:27.14 | melvin_ | somiaj: bash is using the number of seconds since the beginning of the epoch in the history file...I guess you would have to use an external program like awk to change it...I don't know if it iss worth the trouble or not... |
| 04:28.43 | somiaj | melvin_: that was what I was suggesting. But 'history' already does that for you. |
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| 04:30.43 | melvin_ | somiaj: True, but it doesn't happen automatically in the .bash_history file so you would have to write a script or something to use the history command and concatenate its output to a file... |
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| 04:32.33 | melvin_ | somiaj: My question is why doesn't it work like the bash man page says :-) |
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| 04:34.07 | somiaj | melvin_: I guess I still don't follow you. To me the man page correctly describes the behavior. |
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| 04:36.44 | melvin_ | somiaj: The manual page says that HISTTIMEFORMAT will cause ewach shell command to be timestamped according to the format given in the HISTTIMEFORMAT variable in the .bash_history file but it doesn't... |
| 04:36.57 | melvin_ | *each |
| 04:36.58 | b0s3d | anyone with compiling experience? i could use some help with irssi-xmpp, it needs much compiling of required programs |
| 04:37.05 | b0s3d | please pm me |
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| 04:38.28 | somiaj | melvin_: no it says "print the time stamp associated with each history entry displayed by the history builtin." to me that says it only effects the 'history' command, it then says it writes the timestamp (not teh strftime()) to the history file starting with a comment. |
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| 04:39.35 | somiaj | melvin_: though I agree, it may be a bit subtle, but to me it seems to describe the behavior I see when I tested it out. |
| 04:40.04 | x032cx | melvin_:it sounds like the history cmd displays the right format but stores the info differently as since the epoch right? |
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| 04:41.10 | somiaj | x032cx: I think the issue is more if the man page correctly describes this behavior. |
| 04:41.26 | somiaj | as opposed to the behavior iteself |
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| 04:41.54 | melvin_ | somiaj: OK, I see what you mean...it's using its internal format for the history file in seconds but the formatted strftime() in the history command :-) |
| 04:42.15 | x032cx | somiaj:the behavior is what it should be when you run history |
| 04:42.59 | somiaj | melvin_: well hopefully we arived at the same place, it seems to be working as designed. |
| 04:44.30 | melvin_ | somiaj: Yes...I was expecting the output to the history file to be the same as the history command but the manual doesn't say that :-) |
| 04:44.58 | melvin_ | Thanks! |
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| 04:45.55 | melvin_ | x032cx: Right... |
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| 04:47.04 | jmcnaught | b0s3d: irssi-xmpp is available as a package |
| 04:47.21 | x032cx | melvin_:Right, the history cmd has some little magic in there |
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| 04:48.05 | b0s3d | jmcnaught: i am using raspbian |
| 04:48.27 | jmcnaught | b0s3d: then you should get support in #raspbian and not in #debian |
| 04:48.32 | b0s3d | ok |
| 04:48.41 | b0s3d | thank, i see that now |
| 04:49.21 | melvin_ | x032cx: You would have to write a script to convert the seconds since the beginning of the epoch to the format you want for each line in .bash_history and then find a way to run the script each time the file was written to if that is even possible :-) |
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| 04:50.26 | x032cx | melvin_:why not use the right tool and extract what you need |
| 04:51.16 | melvin_ | x032cx: What would the right tool be? |
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| 04:51.45 | x032cx | history of course and the necessary pipes |
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| 04:53.39 | melvin_ | x032cx: True but then I would have to know a way of concatenating the output of the history command to a file and then remember to type in the command to do it every time I exited the shell right? |
| 04:54.32 | x032cx | melvin_:what are you trying to accomplish exactly |
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| 04:56.02 | x032cx | melvin_:is your history file always reset for some reason |
| 04:56.05 | melvin_ | x032cx: I want the .bash_history file to look exactly like the output of the history command looks like after I set the HISTTIMEFORMAT variable in .bashrc... |
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| 04:57.10 | x032cx | melvin_:that is an exercise for you only, why reinevent the wheel? |
| 04:57.43 | x032cx | reinvent* |
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| 04:58.54 | melvin_ | x032cx: No, each Konsole session's history is concatenated to the end of .bash_history as soon as I exit the shell...I want the timestamps in there to look like the output of the history command without havin to pipe it somehow from the command line every time I exit the shello... |
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| 04:59.11 | somiaj | melvin_: note a timestamp is a nicer way to store the time, makes it easier to change the date format at a future date. |
| 04:59.30 | somiaj | melvin_: but my question is why won't the output of 'history' work for you, what are you using to look at this file? |
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| 05:00.31 | b0s3d | jmcnaught: lmao i found a package which name is irssi-plugin-xmpp |
| 05:00.37 | b0s3d | it works |
| 05:00.42 | x032cx | melvin_:I see your point but that is how the tools are designed |
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| 05:03.15 | melvin_ | somiaj: I'm using Kate to look at the file...the output of the history command is fine except that it requires an extra step to get it to a file...the .bash_history file is written to automatically every time I exit the shell, but if I set the HISTTIMEFORMAT variable so thaqt the output of history is good it has the undesireable side effect of writing seconds since epoch in the .bash_history file... "-) |
| 05:03.16 | jmcnaught | b0s3d: yes, that's also what it's called in Debian. However please respect the fact that Raspbian is not supported in #debian, there are differences and #debian volunteers not being aware of the differences can lead to bad advice |
| 05:04.15 | somiaj | melvin_: history | kate |
| 05:04.45 | somiaj | melvin_: arg that may not work. But there should be a way to just put it in the kate buffer |
| 05:05.58 | b0s3d | jmcnaught: i will, sorry for the mistake, thanks for the advice, take care :) |
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| 05:06.16 | melvin_ | somiaj: See what I mean? It takes an extra step that I have to remember to do before I exit the shell...writing to .bash_history is automatic... |
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| 05:08.04 | somiaj | melvin_: history | less, but anyways, storing the time as a timestamp is the prefered way to do things. You'll have to work around this. You could also just write a little script, 'viewhistory', that outputs it and sends it to kate, and put it in $HOME/bin |
| 05:08.07 | melvin_ | somiaj: and if I set the HISTTIMEFORMAT variable to get the right output for the history command it has the undesireable side effect of timestamping the .bash_history with seconds since the beggining of the epoch... |
| 05:09.01 | melvin_ | somiaj: I see what you mean... |
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| 05:13.51 | somiaj | melvin_: history | kate -i |
| 05:13.53 | somiaj | melvin_: try that |
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| 05:17.23 | melvin_ | somiaj OK, that worked...but I'm still left with the problem of .bash_history being timestamped with seconds from epoch :-) The only way to solve this is to not set the HISTTIMEFORMAT variable...see what I mean? |
| 05:18.13 | melvin_ | somiaj: Then I lose the formatting for the builtin history command... |
| 05:18.51 | melvin_ | It's like a catch 22... |
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| 05:37.45 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 05:37.58 | jak2000 | how to know a liux box, wich distro is? debian, ubuntu, centos? |
| 05:38.13 | dionysus69 | why doesnt tightvnc come with a service |
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| 05:38.43 | cafuego | jak2000: Run 'lsb_release -a' |
| 05:39.03 | jak2000 | ahh ubuntu :) |
| 05:39.04 | jak2000 | thanks |
| 05:39.16 | dionysus69 | I have to create it? is that a joke? can anyone tell me how can I run command "tightvnc" at startup? I put it in .profile and it ran with sudo i don't know why |
| 05:39.56 | cafuego | dionysus69: It can't run by default, because it doesn't know which users to run as. |
| 05:40.14 | cafuego | dionysus69: You should be able to fin appropriate commands to pop in /etc/rc.local |
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| 05:40.36 | dionysus69 | I just want it to run with my user |
| 05:41.18 | dionysus69 | so how can I execute command tightvnc when my user is loaded? so it runs as my user |
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| 05:41.30 | dionysus69 | I thought that's what .profile did, run commands as that user |
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| 05:43.27 | cafuego | dionysus69: only after they login |
| 05:43.45 | dionysus69 | yes but I thought .profile executed after a login |
| 05:43.53 | dionysus69 | I am talking about /home/user/.profile |
| 05:43.57 | cafuego | yep |
| 05:44.02 | dionysus69 | why would it run if I don't login |
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| 05:44.38 | cafuego | usually runs a vnc server on machines where he doens't login via the shell. |
| 05:45.03 | dionysus69 | oh now I get it :D |
| 05:45.17 | dionysus69 | so I should put that command in rc local? |
| 05:45.28 | cafuego | let me check |
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| 05:46.07 | cafuego | I use: /bin/su - username -c "cd ~username && vnc4server :1 -name VNCSession -depth 24 -geometry 1024x768 -localhost"" |
| 05:46.49 | dionysus69 | and it is in rc.local? |
| 05:46.59 | cafuego | yep |
| 05:47.05 | dionysus69 | and username is the username you want to run it with? |
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| 05:47.31 | cafuego | and then I have a ~username/vnc/xstartup file, which is a shell script that starts X apps inside VNC. |
| 05:47.48 | dionysus69 | ye I have it setup |
| 05:47.49 | cafuego | You'll want to make a ~username/.vnc/passwd file too, so auth works. |
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| 05:47.57 | cafuego | I ca't remember the command to generate that |
| 05:48.11 | dionysus69 | there is a file there |
| 05:48.20 | dionysus69 | I didnt create it, it was there from start |
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| 05:56.34 | dionysus69 | cafuego what is the -name param after :1? |
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| 05:59.06 | dionysus69 | ok I found it :D |
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| 06:12.06 | brose | greets all, just submitted a request to become an official mirror for the Princeton University Math Department. Looking forward to human verification so we can start serving clients. 10-gig to university core and connectivity to I2/ESnet |
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| 06:14.09 | spm_draget | On wheezy⦠if I do 'apt-cache search blas' I get 'xpilot-ng-server - Server for hosting XPilot NG games' - why? |
| 06:14.14 | spm_draget | (among other results) |
| 06:14.24 | spm_draget | Do not see any 'blas' in there. |
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| 06:16.08 | jmcnaught | spm_draget: "apt-cache show xpilot-ng-server | grep blas" it's probably in the description or something |
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| 06:18.28 | spm_draget | jmcnaught: How would I search for something that is only in the name of a package? |
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| 06:20.30 | jmcnaught | spm_draget: "aptitude search ~nblas" (where ~n is the name search term, lots more on https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html) |
| 06:20.43 | spm_draget | Ah, thanks! |
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| 06:22.50 | spm_draget | In the past, I used to believe that installing with aptitude and apt-get together is not a good idea. Eventho they both use libapt and call the same install routines, aptitude will save a different list of 'selected' packages (i.e. those not installed as a dep but deliberatly) while apt-get has it's own. So 'autoremoving' unneeded dependencies will no longer work cleanly if those are mixed. Is this still true? |
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| 06:27.16 | jmcnaught | spm_draget: i think the two are safe to use together now, however some small differences remain like how they handle held packages. using aptitude's search features is totally safe no matter what, you don't even need root to use them |
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| 06:29.22 | spm_draget | jmcnaught: I know⦠that is how I have been using aptitude the last years⦠only for searching and figuring out things because aptitudes commandline interface is SO MUCH MORE comfortable than apt-get. Just wished they were both 100% compatible without any 'tiny differences' that might leave crud behind on the system. |
| 06:29.51 | spm_draget | And I have no idea how 'apt' falls into that⦠'apt search' seemes to be yet another interface to something? xD |
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| 06:33.37 | jmcnaught | spm_draget: apt is a new tool on jessie, it has similarities to apt-get+apt-cache and aptitude. i think a lot of people mix and match all three because they use different dependency resolution algorithms, and they like to compare the different proposed changes between the three (if for example they don't like the solution offered by apt-get, try aptitude) |
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| 06:34.29 | jmcnaught | spm_draget: there are other differences, like aptitude remove also does the autoremove step, while with apt-get it's a separate command |
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| 07:40.09 | mender27 | Hello everyone, I am an intermediate GNU/Linux and UNIX user and I would be very much interested in contributing to Debian's vast documentation resources. I have a couple of old and new devices for testing :). I would be especially interested in updating the section concerning MacBooks. Any pointers? |
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| 08:58.53 | jim | I suspect something I installed is from another dist, is it possible to get a list of packages that come from outside dists? |
| 08:59.35 | jim | like parsing apt-cache policy or something like that |
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| 09:06.25 | nkuttler | jim: aptitude can search for packages not in stable etc |
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| 09:11.53 | jim | nkuttler, what would such a search look like? |
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| 09:13.36 | jelly | !obsolete |
| 09:13.36 | dpkg | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
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| 09:14.46 | jim | so basically I'm screwed... |
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| 09:16.41 | jim | can I match a package and version to what's available in each repo? |
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| 09:22.21 | jim | I didn't do an apt-get clean, and so I think I have all the packages I've installed so far |
| 09:22.36 | jim | all the .debs that is |
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| 09:25.02 | xdije | hi |
| 09:26.43 | xdije | i've just installed virt and libvirt on my laptop to test virtualization and when i virsh list i get failed to connect to the hypervisor and failed to connect to socket /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-socket no such file or dir |
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| 09:27.33 | Rico | hi, I have a problem with multipath on debian jessie, multipath does not start after reboot |
| 09:27.47 | Iridos | jim, there's apt-show-versions |
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| 09:28.22 | Rico | but multipath-tools is launhed |
| 09:28.31 | Rico | and in ps -ef , I don't see any multipathd |
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| 09:32.56 | jelly | Rico: systemd or sysvinit? pastebin the output of "systemctl multipath-tools status" and, just for fun, "multipath -d -ll" |
| 09:33.22 | Rico | ok, let me reboot & pastebin that |
| 09:33.26 | xdije | just solved my issue by restarting libvirtd |
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| 09:41.44 | Rico | jelly: http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/511234 |
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| 09:42.42 | Rico | it seems that running multipath -v3 starts multipath |
| 09:42.49 | Rico | but it does not start correctly at boot time |
| 09:42.58 | Rico | and my multipath dev is not mounted |
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| 10:37.07 | jelly | Rico: no idea why multipath fails one time, then succeeds after a while. Perhaps the devices are not ready at boot time? |
| 10:37.21 | jelly | tho they're clearly visible as sdb and sdc |
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| 10:37.41 | jelly | s/devices/paths/ |
| 10:37.53 | Rico | jelly: they are (ready). iscsi works well |
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| 10:44.28 | jonathan_zz | I'm so jelly of jelly, but I guess that is off-topic. |
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| 10:48.31 | tonk | what do i need to view xml documents? |
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| 10:50.25 | TomTomTosch | Depends. there are xml variations for lots of things. if you want to edit it then any text editor will be fine. |
| 10:50.27 | Kapisketo | tonk, nothing special, any plain text editor should be able to work with then |
| 10:50.29 | nkuttler | tonk: i usually use a text editor.. |
| 10:50.32 | teraflops | a web borser is fine, vim, emacs, etc |
| 10:50.43 | nkuttler | if an editor doesn't do, parse it |
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| 10:52.14 | tonk | I'm trying to see it with a web browser (firefox), but getting errors. |
| 10:52.35 | nkuttler | sounds like it's invalid |
| 10:52.51 | nkuttler | invalid xml shouldn't be displayed, that's how it was intended |
| 10:53.21 | tonk | nkuttler, but i can see it at the office with internet explorer. |
| 10:53.51 | teraflops | tonk: we were tolking about _sane_ web browsers |
| 10:53.56 | teraflops | talking* |
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| 10:54.36 | tonk | teraflops, i'm with you on that, it's just that I kind of need to see these files at home. |
| 10:55.40 | tonk | i'm entertaining this editor idea. but i know there are graphics in them. |
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| 10:59.16 | tonk | I can see some text within a text editor, but the document is far from usable. |
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| 10:59.53 | tonk | fucking microsoft |
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| 11:02.13 | lihg | i have a weird issue with dpkg-buildpackage; it doesn't want to sign the result |
| 11:02.27 | Kapisketo | I'm toying with a new computer (Dell PowerEdgeT20) and it lets me to select if I want Legacy Boot or UEFI boot. Is there any downside of using UEFI? (last time I checked there were tons of compatibility issues but that was years ago) |
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| 11:08.39 | teraflops | Kapisketo: UEFI is fine, just disable secure boot unless you want to dig in singing your bootloader (tricky for you since youre asking this question). if you do dual boot with windows and windows is using UEFI already you want UEFI for debian too |
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| 11:09.38 | lihg | tonk: ? |
| 11:09.50 | teraflops | tonk: wine has a ie thingy |
| 11:09.52 | tonk | lihg, yes? |
| 11:09.54 | sonium | Hi, what would you recommend in order to build a .deb package from a source tree? Not for distribution, just to keep the system clean? |
| 11:10.02 | Kapisketo | Not dual boot and secure boot disabled. Thanks. |
| 11:10.15 | teraflops | Kapisketo: then youre fine I guess |
| 11:10.28 | TomTomTosch | sonium: https://wiki.debian.org/CheckInstall |
| 11:11.22 | sonium | TomTomTosch: thanks, exactly what I have been looking for |
| 11:11.39 | tonk | teraflops, i'm going to figure this out natively. |
| 11:12.03 | lihg | tonk: what's your issue? |
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| 11:14.11 | tonk | lihg, trying to view xml documents that give me an error. |
| 11:14.53 | tonk | lihg, i can see them from a windows computer at work, but not here at home. |
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| 11:20.26 | tonk | lihg, wait.. why do you ask me what my issue is? |
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| 11:28.34 | tonk | crimeny. everything I read on the web is about how to EDIT xml documents. I just want to use them as a user. |
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| 11:31.01 | lihg | "use xml documents"? it makes no sense |
| 11:31.10 | TomTomTosch | you should tell us what kind of xml document that is then. xml is just a way to represent data. |
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| 11:32.31 | tonk | TomTomTosch, i haven't a clue what kind of xml document it is. regular unleaded, i guess. |
| 11:32.41 | Iridos | sweet dreams are made of this... |
| 11:33.31 | tonk | lihg, "use" as in view it as the authors intended. |
| 11:34.09 | lihg | tonk: and why can't you and how is debian into this? |
| 11:34.18 | TomTomTosch | tonk: is it a website, or a vector graphic, ir a rss feed? how should we know what the author intended? |
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| 11:35.15 | Iridos | seems your problem isn't to view it but to repair it |
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| 11:35.49 | tonk | lihg, TomTomTosch, it's a manual. an engine manual. |
| 11:36.20 | Stummi | cat file.xml |
| 11:36.24 | Stummi | there, you see it |
| 11:36.42 | lihg | tonk: what's the file extension? |
| 11:36.52 | Stummi | maybe if you paste it someone can tell you what it actually is |
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| 11:37.55 | tonk | Stummi, xsl. i'll paste. |
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| 11:38.17 | tonk | XML Parsing Error: XML or text declaration not at start of entity |
| 11:38.17 | tonk | Location: https://evalue.internationaldelivers.com/service/SVCDOCS/Navistar/isisxsl.xsl |
| 11:38.17 | tonk | Line Number 2, Column 1:<?xml version='1.0'?> |
| 11:39.06 | tonk | i know this is stupid to say, but it works on the computers at work. |
| 11:39.11 | lihg | tonk: try another browser |
| 11:39.36 | tonk | lihg, i tried the two browsers i have installed. |
| 11:39.50 | tonk | graphical ones anyway. |
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| 11:40.03 | Stummi | tonk, maybe theres just a stray new line at the beginning of the file you have to remove |
| 11:40.20 | lihg | are they the same that one at your work? |
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| 11:40.49 | ChrisH | tonk: libxml2-utils: /usr/bin/xmllint |
| 11:41.09 | tonk | Stummi, i thought of that, there's no line to delete, tho. |
| 11:41.27 | tonk | lihg, no, different browsers. |
| 11:41.35 | lihg | he's trying to open a transformation file with a browser. i don't think that is supposed to work |
| 11:41.45 | Stummi | tonk, uh, can you paste the first few lines of the file somewhere? |
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| 11:42.06 | Stummi | actually, the browser pretty much tells you whats wrong |
| 11:42.09 | tonk | <?xml version="1.0"?> |
| 11:42.09 | tonk | <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="../isisxsl.xsl"?> |
| 11:42.10 | tonk | <isis lang="en"> |
| 11:42.10 | tonk | <stitle>2010 MaxxForce® 11 and 13 Engine Service Manual - Turbochargers - Disassembly</stitle><s$ |
| 11:42.10 | tonk | <svcsubsec id="s07.3"> |
| 11:42.10 | tonk | <title>Disassembly</title> |
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| 11:42.11 | ChrisH | or vim and :set list |
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| 11:43.39 | Stummi | tonk: if you can share the full file, try this: curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us < file.xml |
| 11:43.42 | tonk | Stummi, the browser tells me what's me what's wrong? |
| 11:44.10 | ghormoon | hi, when having folder owned by u1:g1 drwxrwsr-x, if u2 (member of g1) creates a file, who should be owner? I'm trying to replicate a situation which looks like there's the u1 inherited and didn't managed to find out how that happened :) |
| 11:44.12 | Stummi | tonk, yes, it tells you that <?xml version='1.0'?> is on the second line, instead on the first, where it is expected |
| 11:44.39 | tonk | Stummi, ah. |
| 11:45.18 | TomTomTosch | tonk: do you have chrome installed? if so try running it with --allow-file-access-from-files |
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| 11:45.51 | ghormoon | also the strange file has -rw-rwSr-- ... when I try to replicate, I get u2:g1 -rw-r--r-- |
| 11:45.52 | TomTomTosch | tonk: or chromium |
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| 11:46.47 | ChrisH | ghormoon: Owner shoudl be u1 and group g1 should be assigned. If you can reproduce it, paste on paste.debian.net please |
| 11:47.14 | ChrisH | ghormoon: ups. Owner u2 as he touches the files |
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| 11:47.34 | tonk | thanks for the help, everyone. Stummi TomTomTosch lihg. i'm being called out, have to try this again later. |
| 11:47.35 | ghormoon | then I'm missing something |
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| 11:49.15 | ghormoon | there's a folder with u1:g1 drwxrwsr-x, application under u2 creates files there. they have u1:g1 -rw-rwSr-- and I have no idea how the hell did that happen :) both u1 and u1 are member of g1 |
| 11:50.12 | ghormoon | the app creates the file and crashes when trying to chmod it (it's uploads folder), because it's owned by u1 and not the u2 it runs under ... |
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| 11:57.07 | Iridos | eek, no space on device / ... and when I make some it's filled instantly feck |
| 11:57.31 | rozie | Iridos: cd / |
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| 11:57.36 | rozie | du -s * | sort -n |
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| 11:58.03 | rozie | it may last a bit long, but will give you idea what's eating space |
| 11:58.07 | Iridos | that's what I'm doing... but obviously that takes bloody ages |
| 11:58.30 | PrimalHunter | Hi, I'm running into a problem with setting up debian for routing. I do have several VMs (virtualbox) that communicate with my debian host on a network interface. In order for them to access the internet the debian host forwards traffic from that interface to eth0 and vice versa. Now I'd like to isolate the VMs, I only want them to be able to communicate with the host. My idea was to use an iptables rules but I'm unsure which chain/tabl |
| 11:58.30 | PrimalHunter | e to use. Any help would nice. |
| 11:58.56 | Stummi | Iridos, try ncdu instead. Its not faster but it allows you to break down into other directories instantly |
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| 11:59.23 | rozie | Iridos: take a look on /var/log first |
| 11:59.24 | Iridos | / is only 40G... 6G are /var/cache/apt |
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| 11:59.54 | markybob | PrimalHunter: #netfilter is the home of iptables and better help |
| 12:00.00 | Iridos | Stummi, that's actually kinda neat... and I already have it installed |
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| 12:00.12 | PrimalHunter | Thanks markybob, I'll give it a shot. :) |
| 12:00.21 | Iridos | gdmap is also nice |
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| 12:02.53 | Iridos | no pbuilder images for me |
| 12:02.58 | TomTomTosch | do an apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean if your apt archives are that large? |
| 12:04.03 | Iridos | already did when I saw that |
| 12:04.18 | lihg | how can I set user env vars in debian? |
| 12:04.18 | Iridos | bloody hell... 40G used to be plenty |
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| 12:05.26 | Stummi | Iridos, its still plenty if you wan't to do anything with your system actually ;) |
| 12:05.35 | Stummi | *don't want to do anything |
| 12:06.02 | PrimalHunter | It was plenty around the time 512 MB thumb drives where a thing. ;) |
| 12:06.39 | Iridos | in 10 years from now, we'll have 40G ram and every text file will have >1GB because of the unicode |
| 12:07.01 | Iridos | "hey look, I wrote a hello world program, it's only 3.5GB small" |
| 12:07.05 | TomTomTosch | don't worry, it will be all in the cloud :P |
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| 12:08.06 | PrimalHunter | Why would you not have 40GB ram for a server right now? Hell even normal desktops are around 8? |
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| 12:09.06 | Iridos | Stummi, seems ncdu and gdmap both miss a switch to stop them traversing onto other mounts |
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| 12:09.24 | Stummi | PrimalHunter, "around 8"? Thats bare minimum for a modern desktop |
| 12:09.45 | Stummi | Iridos, hu? ncdu has -x at least. gdmap does that by default I think |
| 12:09.57 | PrimalHunter | Depends on your usecase. Office pcs might still have less. On a workstation I'd expect 12 to 32. |
| 12:10.04 | Iridos | oh. didn't find it |
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| 12:10.15 | Iridos | thanks |
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| 12:13.01 | lihg | is there a way to set per-user environment cariables in debian? |
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| 12:14.03 | TomTomTosch | lihg: you can put them into ~/.bashrc |
| 12:14.13 | jelly | lihg: I don't know of any general one to apply no matter how the user logs in or what their login shell is. |
| 12:14.20 | lihg | TomTomTosch: i don not use bash |
| 12:14.29 | jelly | lihg: .zshenv then :-) |
| 12:14.30 | Stummi | lihg, ~/.profile |
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| 12:14.55 | lihg | Stummi: .profile is for console logins |
| 12:14.56 | jelly | and that still won't apply for startx or gdm logins |
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| 12:15.09 | jelly | lihg: which login shell are you using? |
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| 12:15.19 | lihg | jelly: lightdm |
| 12:15.30 | jelly | that's not a shell but... yes |
| 12:15.49 | Stummi | shouldn't a DE read .profile for user sessions? |
| 12:15.51 | jelly | lihg: which DE are you using? Control panel of your DE may have environment settings maybe. |
| 12:16.02 | lihg | xfce/it doesn't |
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| 12:17.18 | rozie | lihg: it probably has kind of autostart, what about putting script which sets variables there? |
| 12:17.24 | Jungo | hi all! please advice statefull encryption software for file and disk encryption |
| 12:17.29 | jelly | nothing obvious in xfce4-settings-manager |
| 12:17.41 | Kasreyn | anyone know if squeeze was moved, are there any mirrors? "W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 78.129.164.123 80]" |
| 12:17.50 | jelly | rozie: session autostart starts apps, it doesn't add to session environment |
| 12:18.09 | jelly | Kasreyn: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 12:18.13 | Stummi | Jungo, what do you mean with satetfull? |
| 12:18.17 | Kasreyn | thanks jelly |
| 12:18.26 | Stummi | *statefull |
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| 12:19.10 | Kasreyn | oh ok.. it's archived now.. http://archive.debian.org/debian/ |
| 12:19.13 | Jungo | Stummi: statefull ) |
| 12:19.30 | Stummi | maybe I am just dumb here. Whats "statefull" in sense of encryption? |
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| 12:21.13 | Jungo | Stummi: maybe a want say stable or secure. not stateful |
| 12:21.23 | Stummi | ah |
| 12:21.30 | Stummi | luks/cryptsetup |
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| 12:23.19 | jelly | Kasreyn: it had five years of life, upgrade ffs! |
| 12:23.19 | Stummi | Jungo, if you are installing debian with the D-I, you can just select full encryption through the installation process |
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| 12:23.51 | Jungo | Stummi: thank you! |
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| 12:25.52 | Jungo | Stummi: and do you know some stable distributed client server storage software? i want clusterize some small servers to one big storage with mirroring |
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| 12:27.28 | Rico | how can I change start order of multipath-tools, tu start it AFTER open-iscsi ? |
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| 12:29.39 | Kasreyn | jelly: it's detrimental to just say ffs upgrade. the are perfecly valid reasons to not upgrade: 1) work dev environment 2) Oracle VM VirtualBox 3) nvidia DKMS |
| 12:30.52 | rozie | Kasreyn: work environment without security support? |
| 12:31.36 | Kasreyn | rozie: i keep backups instead.. the work is more important than upgrading my OS |
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| 12:32.12 | rozie | backups doesn't protect against data leak |
| 12:32.22 | jelly | Kasreyn: wait, is that a workstation or a server? |
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| 12:32.40 | rozie | jelly: nvidia... ;-) |
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| 12:32.47 | ghormoon | does g+s make any sense on files? I can't google up if it does anything or is it just ignored in this case |
| 12:33.00 | ghormoon | it makes sense on folder, but on a file? |
| 12:33.04 | Kasreyn | not saying i shouldn't upgrade.. when i find the time to go through everything and verify it works with my environment |
| 12:33.16 | jelly | rozie: nvidia is becoming a PITA for me as well, only 3.16 + nvidia is stable enough on my home machine. |
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| 12:33.39 | jelly | newer kernel? CRASH nouveau? CRASH newer nvidia blob? CRASH |
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| 12:33.55 | jelly | wants to test stretch? CRASH, and BURN |
| 12:34.24 | Kasreyn | jelly: exactly.. i have a root fs that works now --> BACKUP |
| 12:35.37 | jelly | I have two computers at home just to be able to screw one up or to manage when Linux inevitably screws itself up |
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| 12:36.38 | jelly | Kasreyn: but hey. you're two releases behind and have a crappy openssl implementation that can barely connect to modern sites and APIs. |
| 12:36.42 | Kasreyn | jelly: i use MySQL and apache on my workstation.. i guess it's both.. developers are messy that way |
| 12:37.02 | Kasreyn | jelly: i noticed that! ;) |
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| 12:38.53 | Kasreyn | gcc/toolchains is another thing where problems can pop up after upgrade |
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| 12:43.18 | Kasreyn | the company where i work still has Red Hat 8.0 as a target btw |
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| 12:44.12 | jelly | /o\ |
| 12:44.51 | jelly | so have safe chroots / containers for every desired target, but keep your base OS patched up |
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| 12:44.55 | Kasreyn | yes.. very much /o\ :) |
| 12:44.58 | hmir | Hi folks. |
| 12:45.30 | hmir | I am using xfce+lightdm. My question is regardin the terminals accessible via ctrl+alt+f1 |
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| 12:46.13 | Kasreyn | jelly: i'm working on a buildroot initrd LILO->GRUB upgrade path.. it already works but needs testing ;) |
| 12:46.25 | hmir | Am i better off running a bash script from inside my gui login, or can I use one of the tty's to do this without too much resource/cpy/memory overhead? |
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| 12:47.59 | hmir | hmm, I just noticed that I can't use PGUP on the tty. |
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| 12:48.54 | hmir | Anyway to scroll up the window? I can't use more because it is bash script output over time. |
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| 12:52.04 | daegontaven | how to exit form super user after i type su ? |
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| 12:52.11 | daegontaven | anybody ? |
| 12:52.15 | TomTomTosch | exit |
| 12:52.28 | daegontaven | like go back to normal user |
| 12:52.36 | TomTomTosch | you type exit :P |
| 12:52.49 | daegontaven | but that closes the terminal |
| 12:53.40 | daegontaven | like from root@taylor to username@taylor |
| 12:54.32 | Stummi | daegontaven, uh no, it shouldn't close the terminal |
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| 12:54.46 | daegontaven | hmmm...okay lemme see |
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| 12:55.30 | daegontaven | okay.. i typed exit and it did not close but it did not also go back to previous user |
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| 12:56.09 | daegontaven | oh wait i figured it out.. |
| 12:56.19 | zafu | hi, does iceweasel use pulseaudio by default? |
| 12:56.24 | daegontaven | thankx :) |
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| 13:07.02 | daegontaven | anybody know how i can uninstall a .pl program ? |
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| 13:07.20 | Rico | just remove the .pl file |
| 13:07.40 | daegontaven | no i mean i installed vmware tools and i want to uninstall it |
| 13:07.59 | petemc | vmware should provide an unistaller |
| 13:08.26 | daegontaven | yeah well i kind of aborted during the install... |
| 13:08.49 | daegontaven | now when i try to reinstall.. it detects a previous version and asks if i should uninstall that |
| 13:09.12 | petemc | is it the perl sdk? |
| 13:09.19 | daegontaven | but when i enter yes it gives me an error |
| 13:09.33 | daegontaven | hmmm.. im not familiar with perl |
| 13:09.38 | petemc | ok |
| 13:09.52 | petemc | try saying no and continuing with install |
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| 13:10.29 | daegontaven | hmmm... thats not a bad idea.. but i dont any problems to occur in the long run |
| 13:10.34 | daegontaven | *want |
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| 13:10.54 | TomTomTosch | try asking #vmware. it's not really a debian problem. |
| 13:11.05 | daegontaven | hmmm.. okies.. |
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| 13:11.38 | daegontaven | thanks :) |
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| 13:23.38 | TxGVNN | hi everyone, How different between debian-8.4.0-amd64-DVD-{1,2,3}.iso |
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| 13:24.37 | colo-work | TxGVNN, you need the first image "...1.iso" to start the installation. the other DVD images contain mostly additional packages that you can use to install non-default parts of Debian if you do not have Internet access. |
| 13:24.54 | colo-work | you are probably not going to need the images past the first one |
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| 13:27.17 | nebg | hello everyone... i was inspecting the initramfs of a distro like ubuntu/mint/debian and i wanted to understand how they automatically load modules... should i search for modprobe inside files ? or how do they load drivers ? from what i heard (i don't know if it's right) they keep a very slim kernel by keeping as built-in only the essential and then load a lot of things as modules is this correct or not ? |
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| 13:27.47 | TxGVNN | colo-work: thank sir ! |
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| 13:33.17 | Uhebrybdh | http://uhebrybdh.taledar.com/ |
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| 13:34.42 | cygnusx1 | this script i used to install planescape torment as a .deb package says i can just type :worms2-winecfg to change the settings for display in the game(its all messed up) but that command isnt recognized. does anyone know where the cfg files are stored for wine? |
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| 13:38.47 | lihg | in .wine/drive_c and in the registry |
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| 13:41.38 | Uhebrybdh | http://uhebrybdh.taledar.com/ |
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| 13:42.44 | cygnusx1 | thx lihg |
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| 13:50.49 | hanshenrik | >Debian 8 (Jessie), released 25â26 April 2015, contained more than 43,000 packages. systemd is installed by default and init is no longer installed by default |
| 13:51.20 | hanshenrik | what? debian installer always install init for me |
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| 13:53.10 | themill | random quote from internet is ambiguous and misleading, shocker |
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| 13:54.23 | zinx | sysvinit'd |
| 13:56.13 | hanshenrik | themill, unprecedented indeed |
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| 14:03.35 | andril | is there a app like growl for notifications? |
| 14:03.56 | andril | my lollypop tracks come up behind my dock |
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| 14:13.21 | t4nk998 | hello can someone help me? |
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| 14:13.50 | t4nk998 | I'm at debian boot and typed in user and pw whats next to boot ui? |
| 14:13.57 | t4nk998 | pls |
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| 14:15.28 | Jaga-Jaga | how do i install flash plugin ? |
| 14:15.40 | TomTomTosch | t4nk998: if you didn't install a desktop environment you can do it now. |
| 14:15.50 | Jaga-Jaga | Package: flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 14:16.16 | t4nk998 | how please? thx |
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| 14:16.44 | teraflops | Jaga-Jaga: don't install that crap... |
| 14:17.13 | teraflops | Pepperflash sucks less |
| 14:17.18 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Jaga-Jaga about flash |
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| 14:17.35 | andril | love this channel :) |
| 14:17.37 | TomTomTosch | t4nk998: 'apt-get install gnome-desktop' as root for example, if you want gnome. |
| 14:18.03 | Jaga-Jaga | so Pepperflash is the way to do |
| 14:18.22 | neha- | apt-get install -y |
| 14:18.23 | abrotman | yes, see what the bot said, read the wiki |
| 14:18.24 | neha- | changed my life |
| 14:18.37 | neha- | -y is cruise control for winning in life |
| 14:18.57 | neha- | ð |
| 14:19.00 | TomTomTosch | t4nk998: or just gnome instead of gnome-desktop, my bad. |
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| 14:19.24 | TomTomTosch | neha-: or rather not. |
| 14:19.58 | neha- | :) |
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| 14:23.21 | teraflops | Read the fine wiki |
| 14:23.27 | teraflops | Ah he left |
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| 14:24.56 | Jaga-Jaga | teraflops: i installed and i can see youtube videos in chromium, but not in iceweasel. hows that |
| 14:25.17 | teraflops | Jaga-Jaga: read the fine wiki |
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| 14:26.18 | teraflops | Jaga-Jaga: https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer/Installing#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 |
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| 14:28.53 | Jaga-Jaga | teraflops: so it wont work with iceweasel , only for chromium works. right? |
| 14:29.22 | teraflops | You didn't read it, right? |
| 14:29.26 | TomTomTosch | if you find a video on youtube that still needs flash you can right-click and request for it to be made available in html5. |
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| 14:30.22 | Jaga-Jaga | teraflops: Pepper Flash Player can currently only be used with Chromium (and with Chrome). |
| 14:30.35 | teraflops | ... |
| 14:30.50 | jelly | !be a reading barbie |
| 14:30.50 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly |
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| 14:31.37 | abrotman | that's not true? |
| 14:31.58 | teraflops | What's not true |
| 14:32.40 | teraflops | To use the pepperflashplugin-nonfree with iceweasel, you need to install the packagebrowser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash. Further instructions here. |
| 14:32.48 | jelly | enum Bool {False, True, FileNotFound}; |
| 14:33.04 | Jaga-Jaga | teraflops: youtube works in chromium now. however Hulu tells me "couldn't load plugin" |
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| 14:33.50 | teraflops | Jaga-Jaga: sorry I just pointed you to the wiki. I do not use flash |
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| 14:34.39 | TomTomTosch | HULU has some weird DRM i think so it might be a problem. |
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| 14:35.48 | Jaga-Jaga | TomTomTosch: :( |
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| 14:37.40 | teraflops | There's a pipelight thing for running native flash or sirverlight on Linux. I'm not aware how is it achieved in debian. Just saying. |
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| 14:42.53 | mo1991reg | I use pepper flash for flash and pipelight for silverlight plugin on debian stable |
| 14:43.01 | lihg | is there some pdf viewer in debian? |
| 14:43.26 | zinx | there are a few, yes, including firefox and chromium |
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| 14:43.42 | TomTomTosch | lihg: about every DE has their own. |
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| 14:44.55 | TomTomTosch | lihg: i think evince for gnome and okular for kde. |
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| 14:45.22 | lihg | evince is too heavy and kde... well it's kde |
| 14:46.06 | TomTomTosch | lihg: apt-cache search pdf-viewer |
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| 14:48.01 | lihg | not much |
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| 14:51.54 | TomTomTosch | yes, only 9 plus the browsers. |
| 14:53.15 | Jaga-Jaga | How can I unpack crx extension ? |
| 14:53.19 | lihg | atril, evince and okular are too havy |
| 14:53.36 | teraflops | If you count with gimp 10 then :P |
| 14:53.39 | lihg | gv, xpdf and mupdf have no usable gui |
| 14:53.54 | teraflops | ,v zathura |
| 14:53.55 | judd | Package: zathura on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.0.8.1-2; wheezy: 0.1.2-4; jessie: 0.3.1-2; stretch: 0.3.5-1; sid: 0.3.6-2 |
| 14:54.32 | lihg | "offers a vim-like experience" -- no thanks |
| 14:54.55 | teraflops | :S |
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| 15:02.25 | plasmoduck | Guys I followed this https://wiki.debian.org/WordPress |
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| 15:02.41 | plasmoduck | But when I go to /wp/wp-admin/install.php I get a blank white page |
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| 15:05.32 | teraflops | plasmoduck: you typed /wp.../install.php in the browser? |
| 15:06.23 | plasmoduck | No, I had my ip infront of it |
| 15:06.29 | plasmoduck | Im not that stupid |
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| 15:13.45 | dokma | I've just had a, what I would call, a massively brilliant idea and I'd like to ask for some feedback on it. My idea is to write a Linux service that would be pluggable into IRC with the purpose of exposing in a secure fashion Linux facilities to an IRC channel. The idea would be to circumvent all this pastebin stuff and allow channel members to gain real but secure access to one's machine for the purpose of |
| 15:13.47 | dokma | examining settings and proposing fixes. Any feedback is welcome. |
| 15:15.26 | plasmoduck | I followed this https://wiki.debian.org/WordPress and when I got to the last step going to http://serverip/wp/wp-admin/install.php I just get a blank white page |
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| 15:17.13 | dokma | I've never heard of something similar so if it already exists my bad. And if it already exists I'd like to use it. |
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| 15:17.49 | Guest76724 | Hi. |
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| 15:19.11 | dokma | Hi. |
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| 15:19.39 | Guest76724 | I am using 8.4 on thinkpad x240, with wifi card Intel Corporation Wireless 7260. I can see networks in network manager but I can't connect to any. From journalctl: <info> (wlan0): device state change: failed -> disconnected (reason 'none') [120 30 0] |
| 15:19.41 | MirrorCity | hello people |
| 15:19.46 | Guest76724 | Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 15:20.05 | MirrorCity | rfkill unblock all if he is installed |
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| 15:20.21 | dokma | Try first rfkill list all |
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| 15:20.33 | TomTomTosch | dokma: well, didn't read the whole wiki page but you will need to install php if you want this to work. |
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| 15:20.54 | dokma | TomTomTosch: what are you talking about? |
| 15:21.13 | TomTomTosch | dokma: oh, sry. wrong tag. |
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| 15:21.23 | TomTomTosch | plasmoduck: ^ |
| 15:21.24 | dokma | np |
| 15:21.29 | plasmoduck | I have php installed? |
| 15:21.41 | dokma | plasmoduck: logs? |
| 15:21.55 | plasmoduck | http://paste.debian.net/440286/ |
| 15:22.15 | plasmoduck | Something about syntax error, unexpected 'define' (T_STRING) in /etc/wordpress/config-cyberphreak.ddns.net.php on line 4 |
| 15:22.24 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, dokma unfortunately nothing has changed. |
| 15:22.50 | plasmoduck | Line 4 reads 2 define('DB_NAME', 'wordpress'); |
| 15:22.52 | MirrorCity | if u do an ifconfig u see wlan0 ? |
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| 15:23.12 | dokma | plasmoduck: looks like you're missing an x somewhere in your permissions. |
| 15:23.18 | dokma | as in rwx |
| 15:23.22 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, ip a shows wlan0 |
| 15:23.26 | plasmoduck | Where? |
| 15:23.43 | dokma | /var/www/html/index.html because search permissions are missing on a component of the path |
| 15:23.48 | dokma | one of these folders |
| 15:23.56 | plasmoduck | I have set 'chmod 755 -R /usr/share/wordpress ' |
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| 15:24.25 | MirrorCity | what ? |
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| 15:24.39 | MirrorCity | u see an ip on wlan0 ? right ? |
| 15:24.50 | dokma | plasmoduck: this log is from error log? |
| 15:24.56 | plasmoduck | yes |
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| 15:25.07 | dokma | what do you get if you trace it with XDebug? |
| 15:25.15 | plasmoduck | Whats the command? |
| 15:25.24 | dokma | apt-get install php5-xdebug |
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| 15:25.44 | dokma | set trace folder to /tmp for example and then load http://yourdomain.tld/?XDEBUG_TRACE=1 |
| 15:25.56 | dokma | you have to restart apache |
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| 15:26.17 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, No I see that interface is there when using 'ip a' but there is no ip. |
| 15:26.24 | dokma | beware that xdebug will slow your PHP down so remove it later |
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| 15:26.44 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, 3: wlan0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN group default qlen 1000 |
| 15:26.44 | Guest76724 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.07 | MirrorCity | when u do ip a, the state is Down or Up ? |
| 15:27.31 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, UP |
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| 15:27.54 | MirrorCity | ifconfig |
| 15:27.56 | MirrorCity | sorry |
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| 15:28.28 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, it also reports it's up. |
| 15:29.46 | MirrorCity | in root if u are doing ifconfig |
| 15:29.53 | MirrorCity | do u see wlan0 in the list ? |
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| 15:30.27 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, yes. |
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| 15:32.10 | MirrorCity | are u using dhclient or u have an static adress ? |
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| 15:32.25 | dokma | plasmoduck: made it? |
| 15:32.28 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, dhcp |
| 15:32.30 | Spine | My ISP gives out NAT'ed v4 and normal v6 IP addresses and I just found out I can ssh into my home computer from outside without any additional settup, should I be worried? |
| 15:32.46 | Spine | (connecting through the ipv6 address) |
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| 15:33.13 | MirrorCity | and if u do dhclient -4 ? |
| 15:33.18 | MirrorCity | thats working ? |
| 15:33.26 | Spine | from lan or outside? |
| 15:33.32 | lihg | apt-get is stoopid |
| 15:33.37 | MirrorCity | sorry not for u :P |
| 15:33.46 | MirrorCity | but yes you should be worried |
| 15:33.49 | Spine | :( |
| 15:33.52 | lihg | any dependency problem make it unfunctional |
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| 15:34.17 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 15:34.28 | MirrorCity | try to connect |
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| 15:34.43 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, Same story. |
| 15:34.49 | MirrorCity | f*ck |
| 15:35.06 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, yea, I don't know what is happening. |
| 15:35.08 | junk-cola | can i send anonymous reports with reportbug? |
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| 15:35.16 | MirrorCity | if u do rfkill status what we have ? |
| 15:35.36 | lihg | dhclient need a superuser |
| 15:35.51 | TomTomTosch | junk-cola: it's recommended to use an e-mail where you don't mind the spam. |
| 15:35.52 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, No lock whatsoever. |
| 15:35.55 | MirrorCity | to have this message he has do it in su |
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| 15:36.15 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, 'blocked no' |
| 15:36.19 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, seems fine. |
| 15:36.24 | MirrorCity | ok |
| 15:36.46 | junk-cola | TomTomTosch: do i have the option not to enter an email though? |
| 15:36.51 | dontknow | lihg, cool story |
| 15:36.56 | MirrorCity | with the ifconfig u have see wlan0 and an ip adress ? |
| 15:37.01 | lihg | ? |
| 15:37.05 | Spine | exit |
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| 15:38.02 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, I can see wlan0 but no ip address is assigned. |
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| 15:38.09 | dontknow | ubuntu 16.04 is released |
| 15:38.21 | TomTomTosch | junk-cola: i don't think so. it uses the MTA on your system. |
| 15:38.33 | MirrorCity | ok let's try to assign one |
| 15:38.41 | MirrorCity | ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 15:38.43 | MirrorCity | and |
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| 15:38.56 | MirrorCity | ifconfig wlan0 192.168. |
| 15:38.59 | MirrorCity | sorry |
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| 15:39.37 | MirrorCity | ifconfig wlan0 192.168.X.X up |
| 15:39.55 | junk-cola | dontknow: open a can of coca cola |
| 15:40.31 | dontknow | ubuntu, the dream os |
| 15:41.00 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, it's assigned. |
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| 15:41.07 | MirrorCity | try the connection |
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| 15:41.27 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, Nope. |
| 15:41.44 | n1cky | what kernel does stretch use? everything on packages.debian.org points to 4.5 (!), is that right? |
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| 15:42.23 | MirrorCity | can you make a copy of u ifconfig please ? with the two first line |
| 15:42.29 | dontknow | n1cky, 4.5 then |
| 15:42.35 | MirrorCity | dont worry its not an public adress but local |
| 15:42.44 | dontknow | packages.debian.org shows correct version |
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| 15:42.55 | dontknow | of packages |
| 15:43.00 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, http://pastebin.com/YwaXXxcn |
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| 15:44.06 | n1cky | dontknow: heck of a version jump, 3.16 -> 4.5 |
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| 15:44.42 | TomTomTosch | n1cky: in the span of over a year. |
| 15:44.48 | n1cky | August 2014 -> april 2016 |
| 15:44.54 | dontknow | n1cky, stretch was using 3.16 until now? |
| 15:45.06 | n1cky | jessie |
| 15:45.26 | dontknow | but you asked stretch |
| 15:45.30 | MirrorCity | ifconfig wlan0 192.168.21.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 15:45.36 | lokien | hey guys, would you recommend Debian Testing for a desktop? I used Ubuntu and Arch for a long time before, now I'm torn between those three. I've never used Debian for more than month though |
| 15:45.50 | dontknow | don't install kernel from stretch to jessie |
| 15:46.02 | MirrorCity | i dont know arch but if u like arch u can go on debian |
| 15:46.06 | lihg | my timezone is wrong |
| 15:46.12 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, still nothing. |
| 15:46.15 | TomTomTosch | lokien: testing is never recommended. that's why it's called testing. you should be able to handle the breakage. |
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| 15:46.16 | n1cky | Jessie : (3.16) August 2014 :: Stretch : (4.5) April 2016 |
| 15:46.18 | lihg | how to set the correct timezone? |
| 15:46.33 | dontknow | lokien, install stable it is great |
| 15:46.48 | MirrorCity | u have no message when u enter the command ? |
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| 15:47.08 | lokien | dontknow: doesn't it have packages from few years ago? |
| 15:47.10 | TomTomTosch | lihg: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 15:47.54 | dontknow | lokien, jessie packages not so old. but yes, it will become old. but it is better |
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| 15:49.16 | lokien | dontknow: I liked Arch because it rarely broke and I didn't have to upgrade my OS to another version, just keep up with pacman. I thought testing branch of Debian would be a good fit for me |
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| 15:51.07 | MirrorCity | sorry |
| 15:51.10 | MirrorCity | i dont know |
| 15:51.16 | MirrorCity | i have no idea right now |
| 15:51.18 | dontknow | lokien, be honest, you don't wait 3 years to install or reinstall the os. installing per 3 years is fair. also there is upgrade option without fresh install |
| 15:51.21 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, np, glad you tried to help. |
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| 15:51.43 | MirrorCity | are u here h24 ? |
| 15:52.09 | junk-cola | dontknow: upgrade is not stable |
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| 15:52.47 | junk-cola | havent tried it though |
| 15:52.50 | lokien | dontknow: okay then, I'll install stable and then maybe switch to testing |
| 15:52.51 | lokien | thanks :) |
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| 15:53.20 | dontknow | lokien, ok. good choice :D |
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| 15:53.41 | junk-cola | but i want shinny new sh1t |
| 15:53.43 | junk-cola | :( |
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| 15:53.58 | MirrorCity | <Guest76724> try the last command with netmask but before do |
| 15:54.17 | dontknow | junk-cola, ubuntu snappy brings new shinny things |
| 15:54.36 | junk-cola | dontknow: not interested |
| 15:54.43 | MirrorCity | k /etc/init.d/network-manager stop |
| 15:54.49 | MirrorCity | and |
| 15:54.56 | dontknow | junk-cola, just saying |
| 15:55.09 | MirrorCity | - /etc/init.d/network stop |
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| 15:55.19 | lokien | ah, what if I *need* shiny new things? like, new version of Clojure pops out? |
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| 15:55.26 | MirrorCity | not the last sorry |
| 15:55.43 | n1cky | lokien: you should use a rolling distro |
| 15:56.03 | lokien | n1cky: Debian testing? :^) |
| 15:56.04 | dondelelcaro | junk-cola: if you need specific shiny things, there are backports |
| 15:56.08 | dontknow | lokien, there is debian backports includes new softwares |
| 15:56.21 | lokien | dontknow: I have to look into it |
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| 15:56.29 | n1cky | lokien: maybe sid-- I'd recommend just running arch, gentoo, etc. |
| 15:56.40 | Guest76724 | MirrorCity, ok, will try that out. Brb, I will get diconeccted. |
| 15:57.02 | n1cky | debian is a great distrobution but if you require bleeding edge software, you'll be fighting it more than you want. |
| 15:57.07 | junk-cola | dondelelcaro: ye but not for everything |
| 15:57.17 | dontknow | lokien, why do you leave arch? |
| 15:57.27 | junk-cola | i like sid |
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| 15:57.35 | lokien | n1cky: depends what you mean by "bleeding edge" |
| 15:58.25 | lokien | dontknow: it didn't handle my printer properly, nor my wacom tablet - so I became frustrated and went with ubuntu instead |
| 15:58.44 | lokien | (I was using arch for less than a year) |
| 15:58.49 | n1cky | ... you should use ubuntu |
| 15:58.59 | lokien | I'm using it now, duh |
| 15:59.00 | junk-cola | pls no |
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| 15:59.21 | n1cky | keep using it. |
| 15:59.30 | junk-cola | NO :( |
| 15:59.41 | lokien | I don't wanna :< |
| 15:59.49 | dontknow | and enable amazon searches |
| 16:00.25 | n1cky | I don't meant o be disrepsectful but if you haven't figured out that CUPS on distro xyz is pretty much the same CUPS as on distro abc, you're wasting time trying to find the perfect distro when you should instead just try to figure out the software. |
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| 16:00.59 | n1cky | same for wacom tablet drivers, etc. |
| 16:01.09 | TomTomTosch | lokien: if you are interested you should try it and see if you like it. but it's a good idea to use stable to get familiar with the debian way, so you will know how to handle the problems in testing better. |
| 16:01.11 | lokien | n1cky: uh, who said ubuntu handled my printer properly |
| 16:01.35 | jimr1603 | Hi room. My PC thinks that UTC is currently 1700, instead of 1600. Is there a way to tell it to grab the time again? |
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| 16:01.58 | n1cky | `ntpdate -u` iirc |
| 16:02.20 | lokien | TomTomTosch: that's what I'll do |
| 16:02.32 | n1cky | `ntpdate -s` |
| 16:03.01 | TomTomTosch | lokien: i wish you good luck then. i started using debian about three years ago and it has never let me down :) |
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| 16:03.34 | dontknow | TomTomTosch, are you using stable? |
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| 16:04.01 | lokien | TomTomTosch: thanks! see you when I'll get my new pc |
| 16:04.17 | TomTomTosch | yes, but i have stretch and tumbleweed too. |
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| 16:06.06 | dontknow | what is tumbleweed |
| 16:06.15 | lokien | opensuse? |
| 16:07.05 | TomTomTosch | yes, but not that good as a daily driver. but lets get back to topic ;D |
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| 16:16.10 | ggg | hey, is it possible to downgrade repo? |
| 16:16.37 | TomTomTosch | ggg: if you tell us what that means :3 |
| 16:16.53 | ggg | I was on whizzy, accidentaly changed to jessie did dist-upgrade :x and now nothing works |
| 16:16.59 | ggg | even gnome stopped to work |
| 16:17.11 | junk-cola | ggg: ded |
| 16:17.12 | ggg | and apt-get <whatever> throws tons of dependiencies errors |
| 16:17.18 | ggg | junk-cola: ? |
| 16:17.20 | TomTomTosch | ggg: ah, downgrading releases is not supported. |
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| 16:17.59 | dontknow | lol how did you manage to do it by accidents |
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| 16:18.14 | ggg | dontknow: stupidy is ind of accident ;] |
| 16:18.21 | ggg | anyway, do I really have to do fresh install? |
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| 16:18.31 | dontknow | yes |
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| 16:18.48 | TomTomTosch | ggg: you can try to finish the upgrade. you might want to read thich and check if you skipped something. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 16:18.51 | ggg | hmm, any way to install gnome (xserver) at least by hand? |
| 16:18.53 | junk-cola | switch repo to testing, and again dist-upgrade xD |
| 16:19.15 | TomTomTosch | junk-cola: if you don't want to help please say nothing. |
| 16:19.16 | luxigo | after an apt-get upgrade I cannot resume after hibernation anymore (with swap on lvm) I dont remember where I did add the required "/sbin/vgchange -a y" ... (tried to create a /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-premount/lvm2 and run update-initramfs -u but it must be elsewhere) |
| 16:19.33 | ggg | I also got pkgProbleResolver |
| 16:19.38 | ggg | while trying to upgrade again |
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| 16:21.19 | TomTomTosch | ggg, staying on jessie might be not such a bad idea though as it is the current stable. |
| 16:21.42 | ggg | TomTomTosch: yeah, but it doesn't work. I lost my gnome and trying to do apt-install I got tons of dependiencies missing |
| 16:21.53 | ggg | some of old versions are installed, some isn't |
| 16:22.06 | ggg | and basically nothing works |
| 16:22.15 | TomTomTosch | ggg: i linked you the upgrade instructions. maybe you find something in there. |
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| 16:22.17 | ggg | I got only access to network and terminal (and nano :x) |
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| 16:22.47 | TomTomTosch | ggg: you can also post your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net so we can check that. |
| 16:23.20 | lokien_ | TomTomTosch: will I get through stuff breaking like this when doing dist-upgrade in the future? |
| 16:23.47 | ggg | TomTomTosch: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 16:23.55 | TomTomTosch | lokien_: not if you read the release notes first and do it propperly. |
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| 16:24.18 | lokien_ | TomTomTosch: sweet |
| 16:24.27 | ggg | hmm, what about installing gnome manual? |
| 16:24.35 | ggg | should I change my source.list to wheezy right now? |
| 16:24.59 | dontknow | ggg, no |
| 16:25.27 | dontknow | forget about changing it to wheezy |
| 16:25.30 | ggg | what about pkgProblemResolver ? I got this when I'm trying to apt-get <whatever> |
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| 16:31.08 | James256 | Hello, i'm using Debian with gnome and if i do right click on desktop it doesn't say Create new file |
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| 16:32.05 | dontknow | James256, gnome doesn't have that feature |
| 16:32.14 | wewlad | hello debs, what news sites about foss would you recommend? |
| 16:32.33 | dontknow | wewlad, phoronix.com |
| 16:33.09 | dontknow | wewlad, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/ |
| 16:33.23 | wewlad | reddit is for lulz, not for news |
| 16:33.46 | wewlad | but thanks about phoronix |
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| 16:37.15 | James256 | dontknow, Thanks but there are particular reasons why gnome doesn't support that feature? and is possible to ask somewhere to implement it? |
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| 16:38.47 | dontknow | James256, because gnome devs are insane |
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| 16:40.24 | lihg | James256: it was removed as no one used it |
| 16:41.13 | dontknow | James256, try this; "cd Templates" "touch New Document" and after that right click |
| 16:42.05 | dontknow | i can create new documents with right click this way |
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| 16:42.23 | James256 | dontknow, lihg Thanks |
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| 16:43.39 | dontknow | James256, have you tried the method i write. it sounds stupid but it works |
| 16:44.07 | dontknow | it adds new menu to right click |
| 16:44.23 | dontknow | new menu item |
| 16:45.01 | fishxz | hey, what do i need to compile a kernel module on debian? i installed kernel-headers and source, but nouveau complains "include/config/auto.conf" is missing. |
| 16:45.32 | fishxz | this file is aviable in "linux-headers-4.5.0-1-amd64" but not in "linux-headers-4.5.0-1-common" where it looks for. |
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| 16:48.10 | James256 | dontknow, i don't have Templates folder, i tried to create it, and i did as you said but doesn't work :( |
| 16:48.57 | dontknow | James256, you should have a Templates folder. interesting |
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| 16:49.21 | dontknow | it is a special folder |
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| 16:50.03 | dontknow | with different icon like "Documents", "Downloads" |
| 16:51.06 | James256 | found it works! Thanks :) |
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| 17:00.16 | unborn | anyone here can help me with rhythmbox? |
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| 17:00.54 | dontknow | unborn, we need to hear your question first |
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| 17:01.31 | unborn | dontknow: it stopped playing all internet radios.. basically it refuses to connect to internet |
| 17:02.04 | dontknow | i have no idea |
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| 17:03.15 | jhutchins | unborn: Does anything else connect? |
| 17:03.30 | jhutchins | unborn: Can you play those stations in a browser? |
| 17:03.41 | unborn | jhutchins: yap |
| 17:03.49 | unborn | this is the error: https://paste.topfreelancer.co.uk/?4f9517c5d9ac057b#S07fkbT1ZKy/2hqazbd5Ql/VkWSqy+4Lr0/qYNTsD9I= |
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| 17:03.57 | unborn | I have no idea why it is doing this.. |
| 17:04.15 | jmcnaught | unborn: can you use a paste that doesn't require javascript from now on? |
| 17:04.50 | jhutchins | unborn: paste.debian.net |
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| 17:05.32 | unborn | sure: http://paste.debian.net/440314/ |
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| 17:07.00 | jhutchins | ,v rhythmbox |
| 17:07.01 | judd | Package: rhythmbox on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.12.8-3; wheezy: 2.97-2.1; jessie: 3.1-1; stretch: 3.3-1; sid: 3.3.1-1 |
| 17:07.09 | jhutchins | unborn: What release are you on? |
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| 17:07.59 | aoluser | ,v gnome |
| 17:08.00 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.14+4; stretch: 1:3.14+4 |
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| 17:08.41 | TomTomTosch | aoluser: /msg dpkg gnome-core |
| 17:09.17 | TomTomTosch | aoluser: sry /msg judd v gnome-core |
| 17:09.54 | aoluser | ok thanks |
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| 17:10.55 | jmcnaught | unborn: the warning on line 5 would be aboout actual radio devices. with my functional rhythmbox on jessie i get some warnings like this. is there an error that happens when you try to place an internet radio station? these look like just the startup |
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| 17:12.06 | unborn | jmcnaught: that happen on any radio I mean even on pre-setup ones too |
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| 17:12.43 | jmcnaught | unborn: did you tell us which debian release you're using yet? |
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| 17:18.10 | booto_ | Hello everyone. I use Debian testing on an ARM board (Cubietruck, with Allwinner A20). The image from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/armhf/iso-cd/debian-testing-armhf-CD-1.iso uses kernel 4.5.0-1, which has a bug preventing eth0 to be usable. It is fixed in 4.5.0-2. Is there a date in sight when this will be integrated in this testing build? I'd rather wait for that instead of compiling the kernel myself, if 4.5.0-2 wil |
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| 17:18.30 | bob___ | easiest way to install nvidia drivers for my gtx 750ti? |
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| 17:19.17 | jmcnaught | bob___: doesn't it work out of the box with the nouveau driver? |
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| 17:19.55 | bob___ | it gives me a software rendering error. |
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| 17:20.45 | jmcnaught | bob___: if you're asking how to install the proprietary drivers the Debian way is documented here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 17:22.13 | jmcnaught | booto_: i'm a little rusty with ARM, does that iso you linked to use the debian-installer? |
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| 17:29.43 | jmcnaught | booto_: since you're not answering and i have to go soon, i'm gonna assume yes. the recommended way of installing testing is to install a minimal stable system and upgrade. you'll get better testing support on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. If you check the debian wiki page about IRC you might also find an ARM channel |
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| 17:34.18 | booto_ | sorry, jmcnaught, real-life was interfering. I installed that image via uboot (and hd-media) via cd-card and usb-stick. |
| 17:34.53 | booto_ | I would say yes, it is a regular debian installer. Via serial console. |
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| 17:47.20 | xreal | I'm running a library in normal /usr installed by dpkg. Now I want to compile an updated version of a tool in /opt. Also the library has been updated. When building the tool, it looks into /usr of course and finds the old library. Is it possible to tell the compiler never to look into /usr for this specific library? |
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| 18:05.27 | xreal | Seems like Debian is dying :( |
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| 18:05.38 | greycat | A drive-by trolling. |
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| 18:07.48 | jhutchins | I can think of a couple of ways around that, and I'm not a developer. |
| 18:08.07 | abrotman | and he's gone |
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| 18:19.09 | jhutchins | Read Only Friday seems to have spread... |
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| 18:34.13 | anexit_ | What would make a interface dog slow? when I scp a file over me Juniper EX4200 switch I only get 8mbps |
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| 18:35.11 | greycat | Could be scp that's the bottleneck there. |
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| 18:43.08 | jhutchins | anexit_: One test would be to use a crossover cable and see what kind of speed you get. |
| 18:43.16 | jhutchins | anexit_: What is the link speed? |
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| 19:03.03 | zap_ | Hi! I have some trouble configuring network, this is what I've tried without any luck: https://gyazo.com/9cbdf4b2c02e5dd6af0abab9dee9bcaf - Can any of you point out what might be wrong? |
| 19:05.11 | jhutchins | zap_: paste.debian.net |
| 19:06.00 | zap_ | Thanks! http://paste.debian.net/hidden/58fa772d/ |
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| 19:06.41 | bamb | how can i install libgcrypt.so.11? |
| 19:06.56 | bamb | dpkg says its provided by libgcrypt11:amd64: |
| 19:06.56 | dpkg | bamb: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 19:08.31 | bamb | i RTFM and it says to specify a version after '=' |
| 19:08.44 | bamb | install pkg [{=pkg_version_number | /target_release}] |
| 19:09.00 | bamb | so i did "apt-get install =libgcrypt11" |
| 19:09.03 | jmcnaught | bamb: which Debian release are you on? also dpkg is a bot which you triggered by starting a line with dpkg |
| 19:09.24 | Saar | apt-get install libgcrypt11 |
| 19:09.27 | Saar | apt-get install libgcrypt20 |
| 19:09.32 | Saar | apt-get install libgcrypt11-dev |
| 19:09.33 | Saar | etc. |
| 19:09.34 | greycat | ,v libgcrypt11 |
| 19:09.35 | judd | Package: libgcrypt11 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.5-2+squeeze3; wheezy: 1.5.0-5+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1.5.0-5+deb7u4 |
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| 19:09.46 | altab_b | jmcnaught hi ! |
| 19:09.56 | bamb | im using debian 8.4 |
| 19:10.03 | greycat | Looks like you might need to add a wheezy line if you're on jessie. |
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| 19:10.22 | Saar | out of context that would sound kinky |
| 19:10.35 | TomTomTosch | bamb: sure you can't live with libgcrypt20, which is in jessie? |
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| 19:11.00 | bamb | my project is looking for v11 |
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| 19:11.12 | jmcnaught | altab_b: hi there. you're the one with the tricky network driver problems eh? from what i recall your wifi needs the iwlwifi driver available in 4.1 and later versions of the kernel, but the firmware for your card is not available in firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 19:11.19 | Saar | ur project will be able to use a newer version |
| 19:11.23 | bamb | how do i add a wheezy line? |
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| 19:11.45 | Saar | bamb: your project HAS to sue a newer version, unless it feels like supporting something no longer around |
| 19:11.50 | Saar | use |
| 19:11.51 | greycat | copy the jessie line, and change jessie to wheezy on the copy |
| 19:12.26 | greycat | bear in mind that wheezy support ends in a few days, and then you transition to wheezy-lts |
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| 19:12.52 | altab_b | ye jmcnaught, my ethernet card is working now |
| 19:12.54 | altab_b | but wifi isn't |
| 19:13.21 | jmcnaught | altab_b: what did you do for the ethernet? did it start working with the newer kernel from backports? |
| 19:13.38 | altab_b | jmcnaught, http://askubuntu.com/questions/670347/is-there-any-way-to-install-atheros-e2400-drivers |
| 19:13.43 | altab_b | it worked perfectly |
| 19:14.38 | jmcnaught | altab_b: i'm glad that worked, but keep in mind you're now using a driver from some unknown third party source. are you using a newer kernel from backports? |
| 19:14.55 | altab_b | I don't know sorry |
| 19:15.11 | altab_b | I just used the commands in the first answer |
| 19:15.13 | greycat | uname -a |
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| 19:15.23 | jmcnaught | altab_b: you should take notes of what you do if you cannot remember |
| 19:15.28 | altab_b | ok I'll do it, I wait apt-get upgrade finish |
| 19:15.41 | jhutchins | altab_b: You really shouldn't just run commands you find on line if you don't know what they're supposed to be doing. |
| 19:16.14 | jhutchins | altab_b: You could do it in a different console. |
| 19:16.20 | altab_b | ye |
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| 19:18.02 | altab_b | I reconnect on IRC on my laptop |
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| 19:18.53 | jdoe_ | I'm trying to install a raid, encrypted, lvm EFI system and get it to boot... is an extra 256 MB "EFI system" partition all I need? |
| 19:19.04 | jmcnaught | altab_b: now when you install the newer kernel from backports you will also need to install the corresponding linux-headers-amd64 package from backports as well to make sure that your DKMS ethernet driver builds for the new kernel |
| 19:19.20 | jdoe_ | and what's this EFISTUB stuff, with that I don't need grub anymore? |
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| 19:20.22 | jmcnaught | jdoe_: the debian-installer will do all of this stuff, and it installs grub-efi as a bootloader. you'll also need a separate unencrypted /boot partition. for UEFI you must use an installer image, live images do not support UEFI |
| 19:20.41 | altab_b | jmcnaught, until the kernel supports E2400, right? |
| 19:20.50 | altab_b | the official kernel |
| 19:21.03 | jdoe_ | jmcnaught: netinst iso is enough? |
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| 19:21.55 | zap_ | Can someone inspect my network configuration and tell me what might be wrong? After several hours of fiddling around and reading I'm stuck where I started. See this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c23f7fcf/ |
| 19:22.02 | jmcnaught | jdoe_: yes that should do it. is this for a laptop? you might want to check out the install manual chapter about dealing with missing firmwares (good idea to read the install manual in general anyways) |
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| 19:23.01 | jmcnaught | zap_: are those IP addresses allocated to you, or are you doing this on a LAN? If on a LAN, why not rfc1918 IP addresses? |
| 19:23.14 | bamb | greycat: which line should i take from my wheezy sources.list? |
| 19:23.20 | greycat | what?! |
| 19:23.26 | zap_ | jmcnaught: Remote server, IPs allocated by my host. |
| 19:23.44 | greycat | Just copy your jessie line. The obvious one. The first one. The one that doesn't say "security" or "updates" or "volatile" or any such crap. |
| 19:23.53 | greycat | The one that isn't "deb-src". |
| 19:24.02 | jmcnaught | zap_: the lines under "iface eth0..." should be indented |
| 19:24.03 | zap_ | jmcnaught: I obfuscated the two middle segments of the IPs, first and last segments are correct. |
| 19:24.11 | jdoe_ | jmcnaught: so, if I understood it right, since my raid partitions should be the same size, I could do a 256M EFI system partition on sda1 and a 256M /boot on sdb1? |
| 19:24.21 | jdoe_ | to not waste space |
| 19:24.31 | zap_ | jmcnaught: I've tried that, makes no difference to the result. |
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| 19:24.39 | bamb | greycat: deb http://ftp-nyc.osuosl.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 19:24.46 | bamb | is that the one? |
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| 19:25.10 | greycat | Sure, fine. |
| 19:25.33 | bamb | ok and ill paste that onto the jessie machine |
| 19:25.35 | jmcnaught | jdoe_: i don't know, i haven't done RAID on UEFI yet. i'm inclined to believe that both /boot and /boot/efi should be on the drive that has GRUB on it |
| 19:26.04 | zap_ | jmcnaught: Those lines are currently indented, I just failed to indent them in the paste (I wrote it off manually, can't c+p from the remote vm) |
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| 19:26.48 | jmcnaught | altab_b: i don't know when/if e2400 driver will be added to the kernel, it could already be included in newer kernels on backports |
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| 19:27.06 | jmcnaught | zap_: and you're bringing it up with "ifup eth0" ? what errors do you get? |
| 19:27.48 | bamb | greycat: sorry for the questions. if i change that line then its identical to a line already in the Jessie sources.list file... |
| 19:27.48 | zap_ | jmcnaught: Just "Failed to bring up eth0." |
| 19:27.58 | bamb | if i change the wheezy to jessie |
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| 19:28.44 | jmcnaught | zap_: says that on the console? did you check logs for more details? |
| 19:28.49 | greycat | bamb: this is not supposed to be difficult. You've got a jessie system, but you want to install a wheezy package. So you add a wheezey line. apt-get update, apt-get install libgcrypt11 |
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| 19:29.00 | temuccio | hello all |
| 19:29.11 | greycat | If it looks really simple, then you've got it right. |
| 19:29.27 | bamb | greycat: im confused because you said to change a line |
| 19:29.36 | greycat | I said to COPY a line and then CHANGE THE COPIED LINE. |
| 19:29.37 | zap_ | jmcnaught: Haven't checked logs, where would those be located? |
| 19:29.51 | bamb | yea this is the line i have copied and pasted onto the jessie machine: |
| 19:29.52 | bamb | deb http://ftp-nyc.osuosl.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 19:30.00 | greycat | Yes, fine. |
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| 19:30.40 | bamb | now if i change the "wheezy" word, ot would be similar to this line already in the destination sources.list: |
| 19:30.41 | bamb | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 19:30.49 | greycat | DO NOT CHANGE THE WHEEZY WORD!!!! |
| 19:30.58 | greycat | THAT IS THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT |
| 19:31.37 | jmcnaught | zap_: you can just run journalctl, check the man page for way to narrow it down |
| 19:31.46 | greycat | KEEP the jessie line. Just ADD one extra line. |
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| 19:34.47 | zap_ | jmcnaught: Thank you, reading logs :) |
| 19:35.18 | jdoe_ | jmcnaught: partman is such a piece of crap, you can't undo anything with raid or encryption |
| 19:37.11 | zap_ | jcmnaught: "Configuring network interfaces...RTNETLINK answers: File exists" is what I get from the logs. |
| 19:37.20 | jmcnaught | jonbryan: you can, you need to use the submenus |
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| 19:37.48 | zap_ | jmcnaught: Reading on that error now, ofc :3 |
| 19:37.55 | jmcnaught | jonbryan: sorry auto-complete fail :) |
| 19:38.03 | jdoe_ | jmcnaught: no, there is no delete option, have you ever tried raid/encryption? |
| 19:38.30 | jmcnaught | jdoe_: yes i have, i did this on my desktop in wheezy all through the installer |
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| 19:38.52 | jmcnaught | jdoe_: the only difference was that this was not a UEFI system |
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| 19:39.16 | jdoe_ | jmcnaught: have you tried deleting a raid? because that functionality is not there |
| 19:39.51 | jdoe_ | now I cannot even delete a logical volume |
| 19:40.17 | jdoe_ | there are 2 options: erase data, done setting up the partition |
| 19:40.19 | jdoe_ | what a joke |
| 19:40.45 | jelly | you don't want to let it create LVs anyway, if you lets it it fills up 100% of the VG |
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| 19:41.30 | jdoe_ | I am trying guided partioning to see if that boots... |
| 19:42.01 | jmcnaught | jdoe_: did you not see the submenus "Configure software RAID", "Configure the Logical Volume Manager" etc at the top of the partman menu? |
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| 19:42.22 | jdoe_ | jmcnaught: sure, but in raid there is no delete for example |
| 19:42.30 | jdoe_ | jmcnaught: in encryption there is no delete either |
| 19:42.50 | bamb | greycat: sorry about frustrating you. ok, i have just pasted that unchanged line in the file. |
| 19:42.56 | jmcnaught | jdoe_: because something else is using it, delete the LV and VG first |
| 19:43.07 | greycat | apt-get update; apt-get install libgcrypt11 |
| 19:43.18 | jdoe_ | jmcnaught: it cannot even resize a logical volume |
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| 19:44.08 | jmcnaught | jdoe_: you can remove an LV and then add it at the size you want. anways i've got to go change my laundry, you should check the chapter about partitioning in the installer manual if you haven't already |
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| 19:44.30 | jdoe_ | jmcnaught: I have, it's useless |
| 19:45.01 | jelly | ,v libgcrypt11 |
| 19:45.02 | judd | Package: libgcrypt11 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.5-2+squeeze3; wheezy: 1.5.0-5+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1.5.0-5+deb7u4 |
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| 19:47.46 | temuccio | Do you can help me about git, I have one question |
| 19:47.57 | temuccio | about un issue |
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| 19:48.17 | greycat | !ask |
| 19:48.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:48.30 | temuccio | I have a local git on my notebook and remote git on my server debian |
| 19:48.48 | temuccio | When I pull the change, it's works fine |
| 19:49.04 | temuccio | I have a list of commit on remote server |
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| 19:49.43 | temuccio | The problem is that on remote server I don't see the HEAD folder project |
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| 19:49.46 | temuccio | why? |
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| 19:54.28 | Kapisketo | I need help with a "strange" thing. I want to access using /dev/disk/by-id to a few HDD that are conected using a USB bridge. The by-id is very strange, I can read the SMART data using smartctl with the parameter "-d sat". Is there any way to tell the system how to access to those disks? |
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| 19:58.26 | jmcnaught | temuccio: sounds to me like the remot server is a bare repository, but you'll probably get better help in #git |
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| 19:59.33 | anexit_ | is there a way to find out what user kvm is running under? libvirt is running as libvirt+ |
| 19:59.40 | anexit_ | ps -aux is not helping me either. |
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| 20:00.55 | temuccio | jmcnaught, in git don't response :( |
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| 20:01.10 | jmcnaught | anexit_: the process the VM is running under is qemu-system-x86_64 |
| 20:01.27 | jmcnaught | temuccio: be patient, it's IRC |
| 20:01.31 | temuccio | :D |
| 20:01.32 | temuccio | hehehehe |
| 20:01.57 | anexit_ | hmm |
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| 20:03.18 | anexit_ | jmcnaught: yeah, I use to be able to use Virtual Machine Manager but for some odd reason I can no longer use it.. it will not connect. I don't even see the .vm folder |
| 20:03.21 | anexit_ | scratches head |
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| 20:04.11 | jmcnaught | anexit_: are you a member of the libvirt group? what error do you get, and have you tried with "virsh -c qemu:///system"? which release of debian? |
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| 20:06.09 | anexit_ | jmcnaught: just says "Welcome to virsh etc" |
| 20:06.46 | anexit_ | yes, I am a member |
| 20:07.04 | jmcnaught | anexit_: and the release of debian? |
| 20:07.05 | anexit_ | libvirt:x:118:anexit |
| 20:07.17 | anexit_ | 2.6.32 |
| 20:07.37 | jmcnaught | anexit_: so you're on squeeze? what does "lsb_release -a" say? |
| 20:08.03 | greycat | You can't assume ANYTHING from that kernel output. He didn't even paste the whole version number. |
| 20:08.15 | anexit_ | Codename: Jessie |
| 20:08.50 | jmcnaught | anexit_: please start using http://paste.debian.net/ to show full output. can you provide more details? is this some VPS that you're trying to run libvirt on or something? |
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| 20:09.29 | greycat | Maybe the underlying issue is that he does not know how to copy/paste text in a terminal. |
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| 20:10.55 | anexit_ | greycat: perhaps |
| 20:11.08 | teraflops | well, sprunge, ptpb, ix, clbin exist, you just need curl or netcat for clbin |
| 20:11.25 | jmcnaught | anexit_: "/msg dpkg pastebinit" for some one way to paste from a terminal |
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| 20:11.45 | Fox682 | man... been fighting this weird issue... does anyone have serious issues with running iceweasel or chromium on a VPS? |
| 20:12.05 | anexit_ | http://paste.debian.net/440361/ |
| 20:12.25 | anexit_ | jmcnaught: I'm not that new to this hehe |
| 20:12.25 | greycat | Hmm, not an OpenVZ kernel. |
| 20:12.57 | Fox682 | I got a VNC server, get an SSH tunnel and hop in (works, shows screen, openbox, terminator works perfectly etc etc) but when I run iceweasel or chromium I get errors about GPU and display. RandR freaks cause the extensions are missing lol. |
| 20:13.02 | greycat | How did you even get jessie to boot on a 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel? |
| 20:13.17 | jmcnaught | anexit_: when was the last time you upgraded this system? you have a kernel from the squeeze error, and the lsb release says testing (jessie is stable for a year now) |
| 20:13.19 | Fox682 | I got jessie on a VPS to boot on a 4.4 kernel >.> |
| 20:13.33 | Fox682 | oh... wait |
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| 20:13.37 | Fox682 | 2.6 ... lol |
| 20:13.56 | anexit_ | The linux admin went to a new job so I'm trying to figure this out. He gave me the passwords and said have fun! My issues is.. there are several windows 2012 servers running and I can't even manage them. They don't exist. |
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| 20:14.28 | Fox682 | Don't exist how? do you know their IPs? |
| 20:14.39 | jmcnaught | anexit_: oh, so you don't know the story of how it got so messed up? sounds like you're running a frankendebian system that is out of date. |
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| 20:14.46 | anexit_ | Sure, the vm image is no where to be found. |
| 20:15.02 | anexit_ | yeah |
| 20:15.12 | Fox682 | check the system to see if they were backgrounded or something odd? |
| 20:16.05 | anexit_ | if I grep the path; |
| 20:16.07 | anexit_ | ile=/var/lib/libvirt/images/TA1-2.img |
| 20:16.10 | MaBunny | hey guys is there a good cpp ide for linux in general?? |
| 20:16.12 | jmcnaught | anexit_: if you run virsh again, you can use commands there like "list" to see running VMs, "list --all". There is a help command, you can get it to tell you the location of storage etc. If it were me I'd find the location of each VM's virtual disk, do a "virsh dumpxml" for each, and migrate them all to a fresh jessie system |
| 20:16.21 | anexit_ | it should be there.. well if it's hidden hang on. |
| 20:16.22 | MaBunny | like devcpp,something thts maintained |
| 20:17.07 | anexit_ | jmcnaught: |
| 20:17.12 | Saar | anyone know how to get his working when using dpkg-sig or reprepro to "re-sign" your repository using sha2: --digest-algo SHA512 or --digest-algo SHA256, see https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Apt/Sha1Removal |
| 20:17.33 | anexit_ | http://paste.debian.net/440365/ |
| 20:17.35 | anexit_ | lol |
| 20:17.38 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: there are a bunch available in Debian including Eclipse with the C/C++ addons, Geany etc. |
| 20:17.41 | anexit_ | unless it's running in root |
| 20:17.46 | Saar | dpkg-sig -g --digest-algo SHA256 --sign builder pkg-name.deb gives me: E: We can only work on debs and changes files. |
| 20:18.01 | MaBunny | ok thnx will see |
| 20:18.12 | jmcnaught | anexit_: maybe you're on the wrong system? or maybe libvirt is managing Xen not KVM? |
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| 20:19.10 | anexit_ | bingo |
| 20:19.12 | anexit_ | http://paste.debian.net/440366/ |
| 20:19.14 | anexit_ | oh boy |
| 20:19.47 | anexit_ | ugh |
| 20:19.56 | anexit_ | I can see where this is going already |
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| 20:21.00 | jmcnaught | anexit_: hmm.. well do what you can to back this VM up. use the "dumpxml" command from virsh to get a copy of its libvirt config file, and get a copy of the image. Then move those to a fresh jessie install, and repurpose this server that the old admin messed up royally |
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| 20:23.24 | anexit_ | jmcnaught: Well this brings up another issue, I don't have access to this server in a physical form and the line only pushes 4-6mb/s. The image is roughly 2TB in size.. which I was wondering if there is some way to speed up scp. There is a backup server, both machines are on 1GBE |
| 20:23.24 | Fox682 | oh wait... is that VM running as root? |
| 20:23.50 | anexit_ | Normally you see 70-100mb/s |
| 20:24.07 | anexit_ | Fox682: indeed |
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| 20:24.13 | Fox682 | Woooow |
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| 20:25.49 | Fox682 | huh... wonder if there's a way to see if compressing the VM would do any good... |
| 20:25.52 | jmcnaught | anexit_: that's pretty strange because i have libvirt VMs that autostart at boot, and my user (as a member of libvirt group) can manage them just fine. Any chance you can use a different protocol to transfer teh image? |
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| 20:26.09 | anexit_ | ftp is about it |
| 20:26.26 | Fox682 | FTP is ok, just not preferred... Sha-256 before and after ;) |
| 20:26.28 | anexit_ | I hate to put any packages on this thing... probably bust |
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| 20:27.58 | jmcnaught | anexit_: are the two systems both on a private network? what about using python's simplehttpserver? |
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| 20:28.11 | anexit_ | I have rsync |
| 20:28.28 | anexit_ | thats moving at 20mbps |
| 20:28.32 | anexit_ | this is good enough |
| 20:28.37 | Fox682 | yeah, that'll do |
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| 20:28.53 | Fox682 | Mbits or MBytes... I can't tell lol |
| 20:29.01 | anexit_ | mbits |
| 20:29.16 | jml2 | 20mbps == megabits |
| 20:29.27 | anexit_ | MEGA |
| 20:29.33 | jml2 | bits |
| 20:29.35 | jml2 | :) |
| 20:29.38 | anexit_ | :P |
| 20:29.51 | jmcnaught | anexit_: nice. i would defnitely save some pastes, for example the "lsb_release -a" and "uname -a", possibly also the contents of sources.list{,.d} to show your boss in case they ask why this took so long, so you can show them just how messed up it was to start with |
| 20:29.54 | jml2 | divide that by 8, and that'll give your nominal megabytes :) |
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| 20:30.00 | Fox682 | ah... I'm supa rusty, 20mbps is about 2.5 MB/s? |
| 20:30.10 | jdoe_ | tell that the tc developers |
| 20:30.13 | jdoe_ | to them b = bytes |
| 20:30.37 | greycat | The normal convention among people who are not stupid is b=bits, B=Bytes |
| 20:30.50 | Saar | in general bandwidth is shown in bits cause it looks better, inflated numbers |
| 20:30.52 | jmcnaught | anexit_: and don't forget to get a copy of the XML file with virsh's dumpxml command |
| 20:30.59 | anexit_ | yeah, will do. I'm more bsd than linux. My VM stops at bhyve and vbox |
| 20:31.14 | anexit_ | so this is new to me |
| 20:31.21 | jdoe_ | again, tell that the tc developers: http://lartc.org/ |
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| 20:32.16 | jdoe_ | Saar: no, not because it looks better |
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| 20:32.49 | Fox682 | wait... wouldn't 2TBs over 20mbps take days? |
| 20:32.54 | greycat | In older data transmission technologies, a transmitted Byte wasn't always 8 bits. You had start, stop, parity, etc. |
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| 20:33.24 | greycat | Sometimes you even sent 7 bits instead of 8, to save that 12%. |
| 20:33.29 | jdoe_ | hence specification as BITrate |
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| 20:37.19 | jdoe_ | wow, the ubuntu installer is even more stupid than the debian one |
| 20:37.46 | jdoe_ | I'm done, switching to arch |
| 20:37.57 | zykotick9 | lol |
| 20:37.59 | Fox682 | Ahahaha |
| 20:39.05 | teraflops | jdoe_: it's your fault, use deboostrap |
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| 20:40.46 | teraflops | uses archiso for installing debian |
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| 20:44.50 | jml2 | teraflops, using arch to install debian is a sin |
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| 20:45.13 | greycat | Nah. It's fine. |
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| 20:45.20 | greycat | Whatever it takes. |
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| 20:46.09 | jml2 | hein hein |
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| 20:48.34 | jml2 | Fox682, that would take 24 days |
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| 20:48.38 | jml2 | :))) |
| 20:48.39 | teraflops | jml2: no, it's an amazing way of doing deboostrap, archiso is a live environment. archlinux has no installer |
| 20:48.57 | jml2 | but there's also the minimal netinst iso too no? |
| 20:49.17 | teraflops | tried both ways I prefer archiso |
| 20:49.18 | jml2 | or even gparted live iso (which is debian-based) |
| 20:49.38 | jml2 | gparted live uses the latest available debian.. so it is imho better |
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| 20:49.50 | jml2 | even if you have issues with netinst or any other.. |
| 20:50.37 | jml2 | if you have an issue then you should give suggestions.. don't ditch the debian installer, that's a bit unwise imho :) |
| 20:50.46 | teraflops | you only need binutils debian keyring deboostrap and all that stuff in a live environment with internet connection |
| 20:50.55 | teraflops | jml2: never had an issue |
| 20:51.43 | Fox682 | jml2 yeah that would take an age and a half lol |
| 20:52.28 | jml2 | Fox682, you can download an image over the internet.. |
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| 20:52.33 | jml2 | Fox682, even shrink it.. |
| 20:52.50 | jml2 | Fox682, you can do this: cat /dev/zero > deletelater.bin |
| 20:53.05 | jml2 | Fox682, wait until you see no more drive space left, then delete the deletaleter.bin file |
| 20:53.15 | jml2 | Fox682, shutdown the vm, and the crunch the .vdi image.. |
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| 20:53.29 | greycat | jml2: filling up the disk with zeros? Why? |
| 20:53.37 | jml2 | greycat, non-sparse |
| 20:53.57 | jml2 | greycat, i'm assuming there's a lot of "gunk" (deleted orphaned data) |
| 20:54.05 | jml2 | it'll help with the compression |
| 20:54.25 | greycat | Must be some voodoo I'm not familiar with. |
| 20:54.31 | jml2 | greycat, :) |
| 20:54.32 | Fox682 | yeah, assuming you can compress it at a decent rate, that might take a few days too depending on the throughput, this is assuming you got another 2TBs available in case it goes sideways lol |
| 20:54.43 | jml2 | greycat, makes a difference if one has used the VM alot.. |
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| 20:55.12 | jml2 | Fox682, how much space is "actually" being used? all 2 TB ? |
| 20:55.34 | Fox682 | It would be faster to drive/fly to that box, pull the data with an external then head back in a few days lol. |
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| 20:56.02 | Fox682 | nothing can be the throughput of a van full of high capacity drives lol |
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| 20:57.06 | jml2 | Fox682, if you want to "transmit" your data to a "new host" -- that would be a much more viable alternative |
| 20:57.23 | jml2 | Fox682, the mirroring speed would be much faster .. |
| 20:57.32 | jml2 | Fox682, (another host provider online) |
| 20:58.00 | awwal | About google droping support for 32bit system: that concerns only "google chrome" and not chromium? Running chromium here on i386, pae kernel. A bit confused about that |
| 20:58.05 | Fox682 | oh, right, if you could bounce it from another online host to your local box or another faster connection. |
| 20:58.38 | TomTomTosch | awwal: only chrome. chromium is open source and build on all arches supported by debian. |
| 20:58.43 | Fox682 | oh! jml2, since your handy with VMs, got a question for you. |
| 20:59.02 | jml2 | Fox682, shoot |
| 20:59.08 | jml2 | Fox682, ! :) |
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| 21:00.08 | jml2 | yawns |
| 21:00.31 | Fox682 | I have a VPS and I've got a VNC server on it, works great even over an SSH Tunnel (preferred!) using "vncserver" on the VPS and tightvncviewer on the client.... whew ok. So my problem is im getting graphics errors when I run web browsers on the box |
| 21:00.50 | Fox682 | randr complains about extensions not existing |
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| 21:01.35 | Fox682 | I'm trying to narrow down the issue, iceweasel complains about display :1 not having the randr extensions and chromium complains about the GPU |
| 21:02.39 | Fox682 | I'm just spitballing, but... crap may have answered my own question |
| 21:02.41 | jml2 | Fox682, i haven't used vnc for hmm around 2012-2013 ... I shifted from it-- I now use just x2go for anything Linux remote... (it provides dynamic Desktop scaling actually) |
| 21:03.01 | Fox682 | What server do you use for x2go? I'd try it |
| 21:03.09 | Fox682 | but I'm worried I'll have the same problem |
| 21:03.13 | jml2 | Fox682, -- here I know with x2go you can scale without needing to relogin, eg, if you use "xrandr" and use another resolution it'll change immediately |
| 21:03.31 | Fox682 | ah, sounds like it may be better then |
| 21:03.50 | Fox682 | is it in the repos or do I need to grab a .deb? |
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| 21:03.53 | jml2 | Fox682, http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php -- you can also use it on "headless" systems |
| 21:04.05 | jml2 | Fox682, (headless meaning, no "vga" monitor connected) |
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| 21:04.29 | Fox682 | do I need to tunnel it, or does it come with encryption? |
| 21:04.34 | awwal | TomTomTosch: ok. Thats what I have read somewhere (the open source version 'chromium' will still supported). I wanted to confirm that. I run chromium and I dont care about chrome, lol. ok thanks for the info :) |
| 21:05.01 | jml2 | Fox682, here I note it is in the repos |
| 21:05.15 | jml2 | Fox682, sry in "x2go's" repos |
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| 21:05.19 | Gerowen | Is there a way to force deja-dup to restore a backup with a failed checksum, or to skip the files affected? I'm about 99.99% confident that the files weren't bothered by an intruder, the most likely cause is one of the times I cancelled a running backup. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6017319/Screenshots/backupfail.png |
| 21:05.26 | jml2 | Fox682, they have a debian repo... |
| 21:05.40 | jml2 | Fox682, (but not yet in debian's official repo) |
| 21:05.55 | Fox682 | oh ok |
| 21:06.14 | jml2 | Fox682, it seems that it's taking forever :) -- I recall them telling me they're trying to have it in the official repos.. |
| 21:06.31 | Fox682 | oh ok |
| 21:07.19 | jml2 | Fox682, yeah it is tunnelled in ssh |
| 21:07.25 | jml2 | Fox682, you have to ensure two things with your firewall |
| 21:07.57 | jml2 | Fox682, -s ::1 -d ::1 for ipv6 INPUT/OUTPUT, and "localhost" fully accepted for ipv4's INPUT chain |
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| 21:08.12 | jml2 | Fox682, (-s 127/8 -d 127/8 for INPUT in ipv4) |
| 21:08.51 | jml2 | Fox682, and after that it is simply just port 22(or whatever ssh port you're using) for INPUT |
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| 21:09.32 | jml2 | Fox682, a lot of people don't know this -> to tunnel "properly" and if you've got ipv6 firewall rules -- you need to ensure "::1" is open otherwise ssh-tunnelling can fail |
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| 21:10.13 | Awmusic12635 | A bit of a long explanation for my question so I posted it here: https://paste.ee/p/kKgeL |
| 21:10.15 | jml2 | Fox682, (even if you are tunning over an ipv4 address) |
| 21:10.26 | jml2 | Fox682, ./(tunnelling) |
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| 21:11.25 | Fox682 | oh ok. I'm a bit weak on fw stuff... I let ufw take care of it. I've got it setup at the moment, the only incoming port allowed is 22 |
| 21:11.31 | Fox682 | should probably change it lol |
| 21:11.59 | Fox682 | do I need to put an entry there for localhost? |
| 21:12.03 | jml2 | Fox682, note: you can use CTL-alt-M to minimize, and use "ctl"+ mouse dragin within the window if you have to scroll around within the session-- if at the beginning the Window is not displayed properly (often happens on the first time you use it) |
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| 21:12.09 | jml2 | Fox682, yes |
| 21:12.27 | jml2 | Fox682, if using iptables-> iptables -I INPUT -s 127/8 -d 127/8 -j ACCEPT |
| 21:12.46 | jml2 | Fox682, (or -s 127.0.0.1 -d 127.0.0.1 is also acceptable) |
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| 21:13.38 | Fox682 | shorter is fine, I don't mind appending using iptables. Is that command the one I would use? (iptables -I INPUT -s 127/8 -d 127/8 -j ACCEPT) |
| 21:14.05 | jml2 | Fox682, and as mentioned you need one for IPV6 as well.. for both INPUT AND OUTPUT (if for eg , you have ip6tables -P INPUT DROP, and for OUTPUT as well) |
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| 21:14.56 | Fox682 | ah... is there an equivalent for ufw or is this something that should be done in iptables instead? |
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| 21:15.07 | jml2 | Fox682, whatever you're using |
| 21:15.15 | jml2 | Fox682, you have to check the firewall |
| 21:15.21 | jml2 | Fox682, (and for ipv6 as well) |
| 21:15.46 | cafuego | specifically, I'd add '-i lo' and '-o lo' as well for the 127/8 rules. |
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| 21:16.07 | jml2 | Fox682, you can actually test it locally as well... you can ssh to localhost |
| 21:16.14 | jml2 | Fox682, that might seem weird and complicating |
| 21:16.31 | jml2 | Fox682, this means running the client and server on the same physical machine |
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| 21:17.05 | Fox682 | thats ok, I'll test localhost ssh |
| 21:18.07 | Fox682 | yeah I've got UFW running and it does allow a local SSH to run |
| 21:18.11 | jml2 | Fox682, try logging in as another user of course... dunno about some funny things happening to those settings in the desktop |
| 21:18.31 | jml2 | Fox682, even if testing it locally, 127/8 has to be set |
| 21:18.32 | Fox682 | port 22 is open, i'm on the VPs now |
| 21:18.38 | Fox682 | ah ok |
| 21:19.03 | jml2 | oh you're on the vp |
| 21:19.05 | jml2 | coolk |
| 21:19.08 | jml2 | ) |
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| 21:19.42 | Fox682 | yeah i'm no slouch, i want this to work. I'm going to be using these concepts later |
| 21:19.55 | Fox682 | working out the kinks beforehand ;) |
| 21:20.52 | Fox682 | it LOOKs like "ufw allow from 127.0.0.1/8" would be the equivalent |
| 21:21.04 | Fox682 | errr... 127.0.0.0 |
| 21:22.04 | Fox682 | meh, ufw is noob friendly enough where I can remove that rule and do iptables if needed |
| 21:22.22 | jml2 | Fox682, take note of those shortcut tips because you'll get a "large" screen the first time you use it |
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| 21:22.43 | jml2 | Fox682, it's actaully very easy to setup.. basically you just install it, set the 2 or 3 firewall rules and it's ready to be used |
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| 21:23.43 | Fox682 | does x2go use the ssh port or do i need to specify one? |
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| 21:25.40 | jml2 | it does the same as vnc |
| 21:25.48 | jml2 | it uses the ssh server.. it runs as a subsystem.. |
| 21:25.59 | jml2 | ssh can tunnel anything remember :) |
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| 21:26.20 | jml2 | Fox682, it needs to call itself back locally |
| 21:26.22 | Fox682 | right! I've done a few and a reverse tunnel, it's still not 100% in my head yet |
| 21:26.29 | jml2 | Fox682, but the main connection point is through ssh-tunnelling |
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| 21:27.07 | Fox682 | yeah, you connect to localhost to get out via the ssh tunnel. I'm slightly familiar lol |
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| 21:28.07 | Fox682 | my connection where I am is so freaking poor... It'll be faster for me to hop on a VPS box and work there for research and testing than on a local box |
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| 21:29.49 | Fox682 | added bonus being a secure connection is just icing on the cake. going to setup a VPN one of these days lol |
| 21:30.21 | Fox682 | ok x2go is on the serv and my box |
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| 21:32.32 | Fox682 | well that didn't work well lol |
| 21:32.40 | andril | are PPA's safe for Debian 8? |
| 21:32.50 | zykotick9 | andril: NEVER. |
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| 21:33.09 | andril | zykotick9, thanks for the heads up :) |
| 21:34.29 | Fox682 | jml2: well... that didn't work running x2gostartagent just self immolates with a malformed sessionid lol |
| 21:34.47 | Fox682 | or I'm not reading lol |
| 21:36.16 | jml2 | Fox682, you use x2goclient for the client :) |
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| 21:36.35 | Fox682 | I got the client, just working on getting the server up |
| 21:36.55 | jml2 | Fox682, ps aux|grep x2go , and see if something server is running |
| 21:37.11 | jml2 | Fox682, you'll see this-> x2gocleansessions |
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| 21:37.20 | jml2 | Fox682, running in the background when the x2goserver is running |
| 21:37.32 | Fox682 | yes, one is active by root, this is normal? |
| 21:37.37 | jml2 | Fox682, y |
| 21:37.48 | Fox682 | got it, so then I just need the client to hop on? |
| 21:38.00 | jml2 | Fox682, all then is just to enable the firewall rules.. |
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| 21:38.09 | jml2 | Fox682, for the "server" side" |
| 21:38.32 | jml2 | Fox682, you dont need to add the localhost rules on the client side.. but you can if you want to |
| 21:38.40 | jml2 | Fox682, (there are even some KDE apps that need it anyways ;) |
| 21:38.49 | Fox682 | lol, kde |
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| 21:41.46 | Fox682 | hmmm... not working... weird, jml2 do you have an simple startup string that you use? |
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| 21:42.14 | Fox682 | I'm just running it on a user |
| 21:42.59 | Fox682 | wait! |
| 21:43.08 | Fox682 | standby, go something |
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| 21:46.32 | Fox682 | well aaaalllrighty then.... that works |
| 21:46.40 | jml2 | Fox682, if you dont have an standard startup for a desktop-- you can verify them in /usr/share/xsessions/*desktop |
| 21:47.07 | jml2 | Fox682, (that startup command is placed in 'custom' for the x2goclient) |
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| 21:47.48 | Pr0metheus | i am trying to send a bug report with reportbug tool but whenever i reach the point to send the e-mail, i enter the password but it fails to authenticate. it tries to send over: pr0m@smtp.gmx.com (not sure if this should be like this) |
| 21:48.04 | axc1298 | to be able to compile a program do i just need build-essential or is there something else? |
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| 21:50.22 | zykotick9 | axc1298: there _could_ be a lot more required... it's going to depend on the program, and that program's dependencies... good luck. |
| 21:51.08 | jml2 | Pr0metheus, there's an 'smtptls' option for ~/.reportbugrc |
| 21:52.18 | zykotick9 | axc1298: _if_ the programs is already a package in debian, running "aptitude build-dep FOO" might help? |
| 21:53.09 | axc1298 | zykotick9: but build essential is the minimum required, right? |
| 21:53.23 | axc1298 | it doesn't have a package in debian |
| 21:53.29 | zykotick9 | axc1298: again, it's going to depend on what you're building... |
| 21:53.51 | axc1298 | alright i meant in general but i get your point |
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| 21:54.49 | zykotick9 | axc1298: certainly, build-essential is what i install prior to compiling anything... |
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| 22:04.54 | Fox682 | jml2, that's what I mean, my internet is so bad lol. but hey it works! |
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| 22:06.47 | jml2 | Fox682, you can also try to use the compression option if its there |
| 22:06.56 | jml2 | Fox682, might help with the connection |
| 22:07.18 | Fox682 | yup, already got it, it's quit efficient and good quality at those levels :D |
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| 22:11.04 | teraflops | -C helps yeah |
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| 22:13.13 | teraflops | this set of patches are handy as hell https://www.psc.edu/index.php/hpn-ssh |
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| 22:16.41 | Fox682 | yeah, it is neat. it does work and it seems simpler. just hoping its encrypted xD |
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| 22:19.36 | Fox682 | trying to see if certain websites will function at all |
| 22:19.52 | Fox682 | if it's an issue with the viewer, the browser or the DE |
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| 22:19.57 | pharpend | Hello everyone |
| 22:20.07 | pharpend | I appear to have either run into a hardware issue or a kernel bug |
| 22:20.17 | Fox682 | lol download is about 68Mbps and upload is 73Mbits lol |
| 22:20.32 | jml2 | Fox682, it's ssh |
| 22:20.38 | pharpend | I'm getting an error message like BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 22s! |
| 22:20.55 | pharpend | I have a picture of the error message on my phone, but I don't have an easy way to get it on my desktop machine |
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| 22:21.46 | Fox682 | huh... well it fixed most of the issues, some still crop up though |
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| 22:25.23 | nagi | Hey guys. I want to try out a couple of tiling window managers (i3, stumpwm). Should I be doing a full backup first encase I trash my system somehow, or is that overkill? I.e can I treat this like trying out any other package, and simply `apt get remove` them when I'm done. Any thoughts? |
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| 22:25.48 | Fox682 | hmmm... this is odd.. for x2go, I think it works but everything looks zoomed in, even after setting xrandr to 1024x768 which should take most of my screen... |
| 22:25.55 | pharpend | nagi: backing up is always a good idea, but WMs aren't particularly riscky |
| 22:26.22 | incal | after mounting an external HDD, how can I tell aptitude to put installs there? Or can I do it with links? |
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| 22:28.15 | jmcnaught | incal: the paths of where aptitude (dpkg actually) installs packages are hardcoded into the .debs. Official Debian packages follow the filesystem hierarchy standard (FHS). |
| 22:28.44 | nagi | pharpend: Thanks, that's good to know. |
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| 22:29.16 | jmcnaught | pharpend: are you able to ssh into this computer so you can provide pastes of logs etc? |
| 22:29.30 | pharpend | jmcnaught: can't ssh into it |
| 22:29.36 | incal | jmcnaught: OK, where are those files? |
| 22:30.00 | jmcnaught | incal: which files? you're not going to be able to install Debian packages to an arbitrary path like an external hard drive |
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| 22:30.18 | pharpend | outside of chrooting into the external hdd |
| 22:30.24 | incal | jmcnaught: why not? |
| 22:30.29 | jmcnaught | pharpend: can you access a virtual console like tty1? do you have physical access? |
| 22:30.39 | pharpend | jmcnaught: the computer is completely unresponsive, usually |
| 22:30.48 | pharpend | jmcnaught: I have to reboot it |
| 22:31.05 | pharpend | jmcnaught: to answer your questions, no, and yes, respectively |
| 22:31.48 | jmcnaught | incal: because that's not how packages work. you can do "apt-get download <package>" and then open the .deb file in mc or file-roller if you want to see where it will extract stuff to. You could install stuff into a chroot and always run it in the chroot though, the chroot will need a copy of debian made with debootstrap in it. |
| 22:32.10 | jmcnaught | pharpend: start it in rescue/recovery mode? |
| 22:32.37 | pharpend | jmcnaught: could you elaborate? |
| 22:32.56 | jmcnaught | incal: https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot <--- this can get you started with schroot which might do what you want to do |
| 22:34.04 | incal | jmcnaught: what about installing the packs as usual, then for each pack, identify the biggest files (the binaries?) and replace them with links to the HDD? |
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| 22:34.55 | jmcnaught | pharpend: on the grub boot menu there is a recovery or rescue mode boot option, have you tried that? also in grub you can hit "e" on a menu item, and edit the kernel command line. Take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Debugging |
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| 22:35.12 | pharpend | jmcnaught: 403 error :/ |
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| 22:35.46 | jmcnaught | incal: no, you should never manually do anything with files managed by dpkg/apt. Did you use LVM when you installed Debian, if so you can add space to your existing root filesystem |
| 22:36.02 | jmcnaught | pharpend: access it without your VPN |
| 22:37.49 | jmcnaught | incal: if you're out of space on / but have lots of room on /home, you could consider moving some stuff in /var to /home (and then symlinking or doing a bind mount), but that's kinda messy. Trying to manually move files managed by dpkg/apt to an external harddrive is just going to break things |
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| 22:39.52 | incal | jmcnaught: no, there isn't any space anywhere, it is just a 5G chip, so tho I have zero data, it still cannot install texlive-latex-extra which is < 500M |
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| 22:41.08 | jmcnaught | incal: one thing you could do is move all of /usr to the harddrive and update your fstab to mount the harddrive as /usr |
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| 22:42.12 | Fox682 | yeah moving /usr sounds easier too |
| 22:42.42 | jmcnaught | incal: better to do it for an entire directory than to try and micromanage individual packages |
| 22:43.08 | incal | good points, /usr is 2.1G |
| 22:43.33 | incal | mount the HDD as /usr means just call it that? |
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| 22:43.52 | jmcnaught | incal: if you're using systemd you might need to take special care for a separate /usr, something to look into before doing this |
| 22:43.53 | unborn | whoever was asking me about what version I was on.. it was 8 cinnamon heh I reloaded system and it all works as it supposed to |
| 22:44.19 | incal | jmcnaught: no I think I'm still on init |
| 22:44.22 | unborn | system just frozen back then so I was not able to reply or anything :) |
| 22:44.37 | jmcnaught | incal: well you'll probably want to use a partition from the HDD, and then make a line in fstab that mounts that partition at /usr |
| 22:46.34 | Fox682 | Huh... something is so wacky when I run iceweasel and chromium under x2go even lol |
| 22:46.59 | Fox682 | they break into multiple instances and eat up all my ram on the VPS lol |
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| 22:48.24 | jmcnaught | Fox682: why are you running desktop applications on a VPS? Wouldn't it be a better experience to use the VPS as a proxy or VPN, and execute the browser on your local system? |
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| 22:48.36 | incal | OK, thank you, will try this, see you later |
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| 22:49.11 | Fox682 | jmcnaught, yes, but this is a different project, I'd just use an SSH tunnel if I wanted to access the internet through my VPS |
| 22:49.33 | Fox682 | Were talking about a workable remote environment I can use from anywhere. |
| 22:49.43 | Fox682 | when I don't have access to boxes at home either |
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| 22:50.28 | Fox682 | Web Browsing, text editing & some downloads would be the maximum extent of the use of this |
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| 22:50.50 | Fox682 | but it would be an environment where I can use it from any machine with internet. |
| 22:51.14 | jmcnaught | Fox682: i suspect it will work better on a KVM or Xen VPS than on OpenVZ |
| 22:51.27 | Fox682 | I'm on a KVM VPS xD |
| 22:51.38 | Fox682 | it works, but there are just weird quirks |
| 22:52.54 | Fox682 | would like a usable web browser lol |
| 22:53.30 | Fox682 | and if it can fit easily in a small VPS, may even try a Chat client too. maybe |
| 22:53.46 | Fox682 | but then I'd probably just use SSH into it and use irssi anyways lol |
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| 22:55.01 | Fox682 | lol yeah even chromium just complains about the GPU and renderer errors |
| 22:55.55 | Fox682 | ok... need more compression... lol |
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| 22:59.25 | hanshenrik | Fox682, i have Google Chrome running just fine on a debian 8 32bit KVM VPS with 250 MB ram |
| 22:59.54 | hanshenrik | Fox682, with lightdm, openbox, and lxde-core |
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| 23:00.24 | Fox682 | do certain websites cause problems for you? |
| 23:00.38 | Fox682 | I'm on a 64bit KVM with 512MBs ram |
| 23:00.39 | hanshenrik | Fox682, no, any specific website? |
| 23:01.02 | Fox682 | yeah, speedof.me works or only works once crashes both iceweasel and chromium |
| 23:01.11 | hanshenrik | what desktop env are you using? |
| 23:01.12 | zykotick9 | thought google dropped support for 32bit Chrome... |
| 23:01.17 | Fox682 | openbox |
| 23:01.21 | hanshenrik | hmm |
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| 23:02.09 | markybob | zykotick9: that's because they did |
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| 23:04.43 | hanshenrik | Fox682, works just fine for me. http://i.imgur.com/6sVr9Mo.png |
| 23:04.54 | hanshenrik | i doubt those numbers tho |
| 23:05.09 | Fox682 | yeah lol |
| 23:05.18 | Fox682 | I'm getting about 60mbps on mine |
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| 23:06.37 | hanshenrik | out of those 250 mb ram, about 120MB of it was free - running the desktop, nginx, mysql, php7-fpm with 3 children, |
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| 23:07.23 | hanshenrik | disabled ASLR to same mem tho |
| 23:11.19 | hanshenrik | (and KASLR but that made <1 mb difference of what i could see, if it made any difference at all :o ) |
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| 23:19.23 | hanshenrik | markybob, zykotick9 , at least on windows, chrome 32bit is still very much supportged |
| 23:19.37 | markybob | hanshenrik: yes. not linux. |
| 23:19.43 | hanshenrik | oh kk |
| 23:19.47 | hanshenrik | weird, why did they drop it? |
| 23:19.54 | hanshenrik | was it a huge maintenance cost or something? |
| 23:20.44 | zykotick9 | hanshenrik: chromium is currently support, and that's what #debian cares about ;) |
| 23:21.31 | hanshenrik | i installed chrome because i needed flash support for something; and chrome's pepperflash is really easy, |
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| 23:21.42 | hanshenrik | no idea how to set up flash on iceweasel/firefox/chromium in linux, |
| 23:21.54 | axc1298 | apt-get install flash-plugin-nonfree |
| 23:22.00 | hanshenrik | nice |
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| 23:22.42 | zykotick9 | axc1298: poor choice actually... i think the pepperflash route is probably better (for iceweasel/firefox even)... but i wouldn't really know, i don't use flash myself... |
| 23:23.46 | axc1298 | better in which way? |
| 23:24.08 | zykotick9 | adobe flash on gnu/linux is unsupported for quite some time now... YMMV! |
| 23:24.16 | axc1298 | that's not true |
| 23:24.18 | axc1298 | it's still supported |
| 23:24.31 | axc1298 | by adobe. they release security updates for linux flash regularly |
| 23:24.34 | zykotick9 | ok ok... but no longer updated. |
| 23:24.37 | hanshenrik | pepperflash include a bunch of extra sandbox capabilties making it more secure than.. most other flashes |
| 23:24.44 | hanshenrik | iirc. |
| 23:25.04 | zykotick9 | would like flash to die-in-a-fire... |
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| 23:25.52 | hanshenrik | zykotick9, thanks to fucktards abusing flash for stuff its not supported for, a lot of people do, |
| 23:26.13 | hanshenrik | should not forget that for over a decade, flash was pretty much THE ONLY way to have interactive animations on the web tho ^^ |
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| 23:26.26 | hanshenrik | these days, HTML5, WebGL, etc, will take over, sure |
| 23:26.27 | zykotick9 | true... |
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| 23:27.02 | axc1298 | people have been saying that for a long time |
| 23:27.23 | axc1298 | hopefully it will come true one day |
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| 23:31.36 | Paianni | flash is still prominent for pro use |
| 23:32.06 | Paianni | animations and such |
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| 23:33.07 | teraflops | pro doing crap does not mean crap is less crappy |
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| 23:44.10 | hanshenrik | flash sure is nice for making stuff like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgACcUDttQ0 |
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| 23:47.41 | arahael | hanshenrik: doesn't javascript give you the same,? |
| 23:47.54 | arahael | at least on modern browsers. |
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| 23:48.50 | hanshenrik | last i checked, flash was much better suited for making animations than javascript, but that was a long time ago |
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| 23:50.19 | arahael | hanshenrik: javascript is now extremely fast. |
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| 23:51.16 | jmcnaught | arahael: i think hanshenrik is talking about producing animations, not rendering them in a browser (which is off topic by the way) |
| 23:51.46 | arahael | jmcnaught: hmm, in terms of tool support? |
| 23:52.16 | hanshenrik | i guess, but whatever, im going to bed, gnight |
| 23:52.21 | hanshenrik | almost 2am :O |
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| 23:52.30 | arahael | g'night - wow, get some sleep! |
| 23:52.56 | incal | OK, 'bout loding /usr from the HDD, this worked sort of only several (all?) /usr/bin/arm-linux-* files couldn't be loaded, this caused several problems, e.g. I couldn't run X - maybe the permissions/ownerships didn't take when I copied the dir to the HDD? |
| 23:53.01 | dvs | bangs pots and pans |
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