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| 00:48.59 | ironpillow | hi all I am getting this "A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interf" while booting and it stays there for a around 50 seconds |
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| 00:50.16 | ironpillow | and when I do ifconfig, eth0 has not address |
| 00:51.26 | ironpillow | also I only one interface |
| 00:51.55 | Roland- | is there a way to install a very slim version of debian? like package by package? |
| 00:54.10 | zykotick9 | Roland-: do you _really_ need to slim it down more than netinst (with nothing selected)? if so... good luck (i certainly don't know... others might) |
| 00:55.02 | Roland- | with nothign selected, it still installs loads of crap |
| 00:55.04 | Roland- | undeeded |
| 00:55.24 | Roland- | eg: bluez wireless-tools |
| 00:55.27 | zykotick9 | takes that as a yes to his first question ;) |
| 00:55.55 | Roland- | cool |
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| 01:09.18 | RickHull | Hi, I'm having trouble finding openJDK 7 for testing distro |
| 01:09.55 | themill | it has been replaced by openjdk-8 |
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| 01:10.13 | RickHull | what if I need to run java programs against JDK 7? |
| 01:10.26 | RickHull | does it provide backwards compatibility somehow? |
| 01:10.35 | themill | sure |
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| 01:11.13 | RickHull | doesn't totally make sense to me |
| 01:11.27 | RickHull | how do you specify jdk 7 behavior? |
| 01:11.35 | themill | what would that be? |
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| 01:12.13 | RickHull | are there not differences between jdk 7 and 8? |
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| 01:12.37 | themill | none that an existing java program should notice |
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| 01:12.57 | themill | there are internal changes and there are new features that new programs might want to use |
| 01:13.23 | RickHull | http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/8-compatibility-guide-2156366.html#A999387 |
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| 01:15.27 | happygilmoregent | where can I find selinux-policy-default? |
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| 01:23.22 | jml2 | happygilmoregent, i believe selinux is not enabled by default |
| 01:23.24 | jml2 | !selinux |
| 01:23.24 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <apparmor>, <tomoyo>. |
| 01:23.55 | jml2 | happygilmoregent, it takes a reboot to enable it |
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| 01:29.54 | happygilmoregent | thnks |
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| 02:14.55 | jml2 | try forward slash ya nub |
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| 02:14.59 | jml2 | lol |
| 02:15.05 | dvs | !exit |
| 02:15.05 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
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| 02:17.58 | Merovoth | Hey, Does anyone know if Debian has a virtual disc utility? |
| 02:18.33 | petemc | Merovoth: what exactly do you mean? |
| 02:19.27 | Merovoth | I mean, like, converting an optical disc to a file - like an .iso - and then using that file instead of the actualy disc. |
| 02:20.00 | jml2 | Merovoth, if people are responding to you in #linux, why are you repeating here? :) ..I'm already responding to you on #Linux :) |
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| 02:20.25 | markybob | !tell Merovoth about crosspost |
| 02:20.45 | Merovoth | Not everyone is in every channel. |
| 02:20.58 | markybob | Merovoth: it's rude and against policy as the bot just told you |
| 02:21.32 | polyphagia | !tell polyphagia about crosspost |
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| 02:21.56 | Merovoth | Deal with it. |
| 02:22.11 | markybob | Merovoth: i am. you'll be on /ignore now |
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| 02:22.24 | Merovoth | Praise be. |
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| 02:27.23 | Merovoth | Sorry for any confusion. Some channels work differently ...later. |
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| 02:36.25 | ironpillow | hi all, new debian installation. getting this: "a start job is running for LSB: Raise network interf..." and when I do ifconfig eth0 has no ip address. But in my router's log I see it makes a DHCPOFFER. Help? |
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| 02:48.39 | ironpillow | anyone? |
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| 03:30.59 | jmcnaught | ironpillow: can you put your /etc/network/interfaces on http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 03:32.16 | jmcnaught | ironpillow: also does "ifup eth0" work? (assuming your interface is called eth0) |
| 03:34.52 | ironpillow | jmcnaught: ifup eth0: interfcae eth0 already configured |
| 03:35.20 | ironpillow | jmcnaught: interfaces: just four line: auto lo... auto eth0 \ iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 03:36.58 | ironpillow | jmcnaught: also all this is on xen. dom0 is router and domU is client. |
| 03:37.14 | jmcnaught | ironpillow: does "journalctl -u networking" give you any clues? |
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| 03:38.07 | ironpillow | jmcnaught: I used journalctl | grep -Ei 'dhcp' it show: NO DHCPOFFERS received |
| 03:40.29 | jmcnaught | ironpillow: and there was no additional information in the command I suggested? You said that the DHCP server logs indicate that a lease was offered? |
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| 03:42.13 | jmcnaught | ironpillow: have you tried configuring a static IP on the domU? |
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| 03:42.33 | ironpillow | jmcnaught: your command: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0.....\ NO DHCPOFFERS received \ No working leases in persistent database - sle. And yeah DHCP server logs indicate lease was offered to xenbr1 client-name with exact mac address. |
| 03:42.43 | ironpillow | jmcnaught: ok will try that now. |
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| 03:54.14 | ironpillow | jmcnaught: i tried with static ip, gateway and netmask in interfaces but its not working. tried ping. |
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| 03:55.00 | jmcnaught | ironpillow: sounds like the problem exists with your Xen network setup |
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| 04:01.58 | ironpillow | jmcnaught: this all i have: https://gist.github.com/SunilObj/7808ddf742dfe2e1e37a402481ad5808 |
| 04:02.13 | incal | jmcnaught: the method of moving out /usr work! unfortunately not all of it. the big dirs there are bin, lib, and share, and only share could be moved out and in w/o crippling the system. that gave me 1G tho so it should be enough to get texlive-latex-extra. amazing! |
| 04:03.09 | ironpillow | jmcnaught: updated: https://gist.github.com/SunilObj/7808ddf742dfe2e1e37a402481ad5808 |
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| 04:24.35 | prototype-0 | k |
| 04:24.55 | plasmoduck | Hey guys ive connected an Alcatel One Touch Pixi phone to my computer via USB and trying to configure it with Wammu, except I cannot find the device |
| 04:25.02 | prototype-0 | why is that when i join a certian channel, its says I cant send |
| 04:25.12 | plasmoduck | I have ran 'dmesg' to try and figure out what /dev it is but can't. |
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| 04:25.33 | plasmoduck | prototype-0, some channels you have to be identified to nickserv |
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| 04:25.51 | prototype-0 | so like #security |
| 04:26.59 | plasmoduck | Check the channel modes |
| 04:27.08 | prototype-0 | I will thanks |
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| 04:29.23 | erm3nda | hid3, question: I have a problem loading configure: error: **** Could not find libportaudio , and viewed sudo apt-get install libasound-dev... but the configure file still fails |
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| 04:35.15 | erm3nda | question is not to hid3, my keyboard's shortcuts got me :V, my question is for anyone who can help := |
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| 04:37.20 | themill | erm3nda: you'd need the relevant -dev package for compilation; it looks like it is portaudio19-dev |
| 04:37.46 | themill | (yay for non-policy compliant package naming...) |
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| 04:38.19 | erm3nda | ogm, thank you :) you're right about it's name |
| 04:38.33 | erm3nda | worked :=) |
| 04:38.50 | erm3nda | im compiling butt just now |
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| 04:42.25 | elena | thank |
| 04:42.30 | elena | you |
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| 04:44.36 | toruvinn | erm3nda, sounds like some awesome software. even highlighted me. ;^) |
| 04:45.10 | erm3nda | having lot of problems to compile it :V |
| 04:45.17 | erm3nda | is like a kick in the ass |
| 04:45.29 | erm3nda | or may I say in the butt? |
| 04:45.56 | prototype-0 | what program |
| 04:46.03 | erm3nda | broken packages on the libfltk |
| 04:46.16 | erm3nda | program is named butt, it's a broadcaster for linux |
| 04:46.23 | hiya | how do I uninstall the Debian 8's libreoffice version and get Libreoffice fresh from website? |
| 04:48.06 | themill | hiya: perhaps you'd rather look at backports |
| 04:48.33 | prototype-0 | Anyone know Guacamole well |
| 04:49.09 | elena | i love it with my tacos |
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| 04:49.42 | erm3nda | needs to install libfltk1.1-dev 1.1.10-19+b1 on debian 8, not libfltk1.3-dev 1.3.2-6+b1 and still presents compilation erros. leaving butt, i'll use another broadcaster |
| 04:50.04 | toruvinn | hiya, dunno, apt-get remove libreoffice? and then download .deb from https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/ or whatever you want? i never used that one. |
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| 04:50.47 | toruvinn | erm3nda, nothing stops you from compiling old(er) libraries and installing them with --prefix=~/whatever/ (even ~/) |
| 04:51.25 | prototype-0 | erm3nda did you run built-essentials |
| 04:51.31 | toruvinn | erm3nda, try LFS, it's fun ;^) (for the first 2 days) |
| 04:52.29 | erm3nda | toruvinn, thank you, im a bit noob at compiling. |
| 04:52.46 | erm3nda | im running the configure script given |
| 04:52.49 | hiya | toruvinn, Ok thanks but i have noticed that backports have the version too |
| 04:52.50 | prototype-0 | dont compile find one that is apt-get |
| 04:52.55 | hiya | I am looking into it |
| 04:52.59 | toruvinn | erm3nda, ok, i'm being honest here: stick to Debian, but try to have fun with LFS someday (in a vm perhaps) |
| 04:53.09 | toruvinn | erm3nda, i've learned A LOT this way :-) |
| 04:53.09 | prototype-0 | here ermhttp://blends.debian.org/multimedia/tasks/broadcasting |
| 04:53.32 | toruvinn | if i'm talking nonsense, sorry, a bit tipsy here ;-P |
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| 04:54.51 | elena | no worries here its cool |
| 04:55.01 | prototype-0 | I hate it when you watch a lot of anime and shows in different language, then your typing on something in a different screen while the show is on in background and you totally pick up a complete converation as if you heard it in english |
| 04:55.17 | erm3nda | i've installed that idjc |
| 04:55.32 | erm3nda | toruvinn, i've joined linux using debian from sdcard into a wm8505 |
| 04:55.45 | erm3nda | but never used linux for everyday, im recently new to that :V |
| 04:56.20 | toruvinn | hiya, if you want the backports version, you still /probably/ want to remove the current one you have or just apt-get install -t ...-backports whateverthepackagenameis (it should(?) upgrade) |
| 04:56.52 | jmcnaught | toruvinn: hiya: you don't need to remove packages first to upgrade to backports versions |
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| 04:57.00 | toruvinn | :-) |
| 04:57.01 | elena | the recent version of linux is out |
| 04:57.07 | toruvinn | jmcnaught, just what i said! ;-) |
| 04:57.50 | erm3nda | prototype-0, huge list :) http://blends.debian.org/multimedia/tasks/broadcasting |
| 04:58.08 | prototype-0 | thought that would help ya |
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| 05:02.59 | jmcnaught | prototype-0: have you tried #guacamole-help ? |
| 05:03.01 | tonk | Fucking teletype |
| 05:03.16 | prototype-0 | Ah I will try it thanks |
| 05:03.19 | prototype-0 | brb |
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| 05:24.27 | claudia | Hi! I need help about isolate real users account for ftp |
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| 06:36.06 | ironpillow | hi all, I am new to IPTables. I have a router (192.168.99.1 running debian) and a separate device running squid on 192.168.99.2. I want all my http (port 80) traffic to go through this box. How would I write the IPTable rule? example: when my client 192.168.99.110 browses cnn.com I want the squid box to cache it and return cached copy when possible. |
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| 06:40.07 | aedinius | Nice. 4.5 update (testing) seems to have fixed the video issue I was having. |
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| 06:41.15 | Okee | Can someone tell me which link is the correct one for burning an install CD? http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
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| 06:41.59 | Okee | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/cdrom/ |
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| 06:42.53 | aedinius | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.4.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 06:42.54 | themill | Okee: none of them |
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| 06:43.11 | Okee | themill> Where do I get a ISO to burn? |
| 06:43.23 | themill | dpkg: tell Okee about install debian |
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| 06:43.36 | aedinius | I usually install from https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 06:44.57 | Okee | themill> thanks |
| 06:45.08 | Okee | going to sleep. See you all later. |
| 06:45.50 | aedinius | sighs |
| 06:46.49 | Guest46077 | quick question, is there an way to do conditions when there are too many if/thens in your bash script xD |
| 06:47.16 | Guest46077 | Or should you just keep nesting them? |
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| 06:48.32 | jmcnaught | Guest46077: try asking in #bash |
| 06:48.50 | Guest46077 | ok |
| 06:48.59 | jmcnaught | ironpillow: what you're trying to do is called a transparent proxy |
| 06:49.32 | ironpillow | jmcnaught: yep. that's what i am trying to do |
| 06:50.26 | jmcnaught | ironpillow: might help with the search terms. i think there's a tldp howto on the subject. personally i think it would be better to leave the proxy explicit so it can be disabled |
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| 06:53.37 | Guest89695 | Hi. |
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| 06:54.11 | ironpillow | jmcnaught: read that howto. transparent proxy works fine if squid is on the same machine as router. It's not working when on a different machine and the router has to redirect traffic (port 80) to squid. I think problem with IPTables? |
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| 06:55.27 | Guest89695 | I have a problem with wifi on x240 (Intel Corporation Wireless 7260). I can see the networks but I can't connect to any. When I try I can see errors in journalctl <info> (wlan0): device state change: failed -> disconnected (reason 'none') [120 30 0] |
| 06:55.35 | Guest89695 | Help. |
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| 06:57.58 | jmcnaught | ironpillow: yes, but sorry i don't know if i could help with that |
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| 06:58.37 | jmcnaught | Guest46077: did you install the firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free? |
| 06:59.03 | ironpillow | jmcnaught: no problem :) thanks for taking the time. |
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| 07:01.52 | Guest89695 | jmcnaught, yes, it's installed. |
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| 07:02.19 | Guest89695 | jmcnaught, ii firmware-iwlwifi 0.43 all Binary firmware for Intel Wireless cards |
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| 07:05.03 | jmcnaught | Guest89695: have you been able to connect to other networks? What method are you using to connect? |
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| 07:06.49 | Guest89695 | jmcnaught, I get the same journalctl output on every network. I am not even promted by gui network manager to provide a password. |
| 07:07.17 | jmcnaught | Guest89695: did you reboot or reload the modules after installing the firmware package? |
| 07:08.37 | Guest89695 | jmcnaught, yea, I have rebooted. Not sure about the modules thou. root@debian:~# lsmod |grep wifi |
| 07:08.38 | Guest89695 | iwlwifi 96547 1 iwlmvm |
| 07:08.38 | Guest89695 | cfg80211 405538 3 iwlwifi,mac80211,iwlmvm |
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| 07:10.02 | running-config | Hello |
| 07:10.16 | running-config | debian is the homosexual version of ubuntu, correct? |
| 07:10.39 | Guest89695 | running-config, wasn't it the other way around? |
| 07:10.50 | jmcnaught | Guest89695: please don't engage |
| 07:10.55 | Guest89695 | kk |
| 07:11.20 | running-config | No, its okay |
| 07:11.24 | running-config | to engage. |
| 07:11.26 | jmcnaught | !ops running-config homophobic comments |
| 07:11.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: running-config homophobic comments |
| 07:11.34 | running-config | I want to engage my dick with http://theblemish.com/2012/09/selena-gomez-spread-her-legs-in-a-bikini/ |
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| 07:12.01 | themill | jmcnaught: thanks |
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| 07:12.07 | jmcnaught | themill: thank you |
| 07:12.59 | jmcnaught | Guest89695: it seems like you're connected some how, with ethernet? can you provide more from journalctl on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 07:13.50 | jmcnaught | Guest89695: you can install pastebinit and then do "journalctl -u NetworkManager | pastebinit" |
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| 07:14.44 | Guest89695 | jmcnaught, I am sharing connection with other linux box via eth. http://paste.debian.net/440472/ |
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| 07:19.21 | jmcnaught | Guest89695: thanks. your paste has no line numbers for some reason, but "State 2 of 5" has some warnings about "<warn> Couldn't disconnect supplicant interface: This interface is not connected.", any luck searching for that? |
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| 07:20.37 | Guest89695 | jmcnaught, no, haven't googled that one out. Thanks for pointing that out. I will check it now. |
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| 07:20.51 | jmcnaught | Guest89695: what other things have you tried? You also have lines about "<info> (wlan0): device state change: unmanaged -> unavailable (reason 'managed') [10 20 2]", is your wlan0 listed in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 07:21.44 | Guest89695 | jmcnaught, I've searched for device failed reason none line. |
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| 07:23.43 | jmcnaught | Guest89695: hmmm... which desktop environment are you using? It seems like NetworkManager uses gnome-keyring to store secrets.. is gnome-keyring-daemon running? |
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| 07:24.42 | Guest89695 | jmcnaught, running xfce, I am not sure what's the daemon's name. |
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| 07:24.56 | jmcnaught | Guest89695: gnome-keyring-daemon |
| 07:25.13 | Guest89695 | jmcnaught, not running. |
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| 07:27.10 | jmcnaught | Guest89695: i think that's the problem. the network-manager-gnome package that provides nm-applet recommends gnome-keyring package, did you install with recommends disabled or something? |
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| 07:28.48 | Guest89695 | jmcnaught, have not idea, just downloaded xfce interface iso so it was already there. If that's the case, if I shut X down and try to connect from terminal it should work, yes? |
| 07:29.41 | jmcnaught | Guest89695: does "apt-cache policy gnome-keyring" say that it's installed? |
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| 07:30.08 | Guest89695 | jmcnaught, nope. |
| 07:30.14 | Guest89695 | jmcnaught, it's not installed. |
| 07:30.37 | jmcnaught | Guest89695: install it. i would also install "task-xfce-desktop" in case there's other stuff missing |
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| 07:33.06 | jmd | Since upgrading to 8.4 the resolution of my xserver has dropped drastically. how can I reconfigure it? |
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| 07:33.36 | Guest89695 | jmcnaught, thank you...been trying to solve this for 3rd day now. The keyring fixed it. I am really grateful! |
| 07:34.13 | jmcnaught | jmd: do you use a desktop environment like Gnome or KDE, can you adjust the resolution in the settings? Otherwise can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 07:34.23 | jmcnaught | Guest89695: you're welcome, enjoy :) |
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| 07:44.08 | jmd | jmcnaught: That site crashes my irc session. I'll try to find anouter pastebin site. In the meantime, where are the "settings" and how do I use them? |
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| 07:46.30 | jmcnaught | jmd: it depends on the desktop you're using. in Gnome you click on the top right corner, and then the icon that looks like tools. How exactly does the the Debian paste site crash your IRC? Can you use a dedicated IRC client, or two separate browsers? |
| 07:47.40 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell jmd about pastebinit |
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| 07:47.55 | jmd | http:/paste.lisp.org/+6QMH. |
| 07:48.07 | jmd | jmcnaught: I know what a pastebin is. |
| 07:48.26 | jmcnaught | jmd: if you read the factoid you'll see that pastebinit is a command you can pipe to |
| 07:49.37 | jmd | I don't see a "tools like" thing in the top right hand corner. |
| 07:50.11 | jmcnaught | jmd: which desktop environment are you using? search how to acces the settings for it |
| 07:50.17 | jmd | Ahh wait now I see it. |
| 07:50.52 | jmd | So I have an "All Settings" window. What do I do now? |
| 07:51.12 | jmcnaught | jmd: probably click on displays |
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| 07:51.45 | jmd | Ok. Now I get a window saying "Unknown Display" |
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| 07:52.49 | jmcnaught | jmd: it looks like your computer is using the VESA fallback driver, but seems to have a radeon card. Lots of radeon cards require the firmware-linux-nonfree package from non-free to function properly (even with the free radeon driver) |
| 07:53.20 | jmd | But I didn't have that problem before I upgraded. |
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| 07:54.00 | jmcnaught | jmd: you upgrade from 8.3 to 8.4 (as in, you did a regular apt-get upgrade) or you upgraded from wheezy? |
| 07:55.12 | hiya | PC would freeze randomly, when Hexchat + Iceweasel is open and I am watching youtube | I cannot type for from 3-5 secs in Hexchat (it freezes) sometimes YOutube freezes same way (video playback) | Intel® Core⢠i5-4210U CPU @ 1.70GHz à 4 & Intel® Haswell Mobile graphics with Debian backports driver |
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| 07:55.47 | jmcnaught | hiya: if you have flash, try disabling/removing it and see if you still have the problem |
| 07:56.25 | hiya | I use Debian with Main repo only, and I do not use any thing non-free |
| 07:56.33 | hiya | I would never have Flash at all |
| 07:57.01 | hiya | OpenH264 Video Codec provided by Cisco Systems, Inc |
| 07:57.04 | hiya | what is this in Iceweasel ^ ? |
| 07:57.07 | hiya | I have it disabled |
| 07:57.41 | jmcnaught | hiya: it's disabled by default in Debian. Vanilla Firefox auto-downloads this to enable h264 video support |
| 08:00.31 | jmcnaught | hiya: you could try looking for problems with "journalctl --since -5min" right after a slowdown happens |
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| 08:03.50 | jmd | jmcnaught: I upgraded from wheezy |
| 08:04.11 | jmcnaught | jmd: the newer version of the radeon driver must need the firmware |
| 08:04.34 | jmd | Shouldn't it be in contrib then? |
| 08:05.12 | jmcnaught | jmd: take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo i'm pretty sure the firmware required is in non-free |
| 08:05.56 | jmd | It is. But if something else depended on it, then it should be in contrib I thought? |
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| 08:07.21 | jmcnaught | jmd: maybe the radeon driver will work for some cards w/o firmware. i don't know why it's not in contrib. |
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| 08:07.52 | jmd | ok. Thanks. |
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| 08:30.18 | leafwiz_ | Hi. Just a small question. How do you force a fsck on a systemd-ed system? |
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| 08:33.12 | leafwiz_ | Do I have to edit grup? |
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| 08:45.02 | veek | what's the cmd to add a font |
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| 08:52.28 | jml2 | leafwiz_, grub? |
| 08:52.43 | jml2 | leafwiz_, you edit /etc/default/grub variables |
| 08:52.44 | jml2 | !grub |
| 08:52.44 | dpkg | GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 #grub on irc.freenode.net. See also <grub legacy>. |
| 08:52.53 | jml2 | ^ (see the grub2 link) |
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| 08:59.46 | hiya | Why does my laptop not work well with Debian Jessie? I am on a laptop with Intel® Core⢠i5-4210U CPU @ 1.70GHz à 4 & Intel® Haswell Mobile graphics |
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| 09:00.51 | jml2 | hiya, firmware files -- (dmesg |grep -i fail) |
| 09:00.55 | jml2 | hiya, often is a caes |
| 09:00.58 | jml2 | ./case |
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| 09:05.27 | hiya | jml2, https://spit.mixtape.moe/view/raw/ec8e305e |
| 09:05.47 | hiya | 1st bluetooth I don't need 2nd NIC Gigabit, I am fine with 100 Mbps which I don't even use for laptop |
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| 09:09.34 | jml2 | hiya, you need to install the firmware-realtek package -- if not then you have to transport it via usb stick :/ |
| 09:09.44 | jml2 | (packages.debian.org) |
| 09:09.59 | jml2 | it might be partially working, which is enough to download that pacakge |
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| 09:11.54 | hiya | jml2, But how is realtek related to intel graphics which is under performing owing to outdated drivers Sir |
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| 09:12.49 | jml2 | "[ 937.248511] r8169 0000:07:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8106e-1.fw (-2)" |
| 09:12.53 | jml2 | that firmware file is missing |
| 09:12.58 | jml2 | your network is not optimal.. |
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| 09:13.29 | jml2 | also you need this package for "AthrBT_0x31010000.dfu" |
| 09:13.37 | jml2 | "firmware-atheros" |
| 09:13.44 | jml2 | you'll need to add non-free |
| 09:13.49 | jml2 | !non-free |
| 09:13.49 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 09:13.51 | dom7th | hi, who can suggest me a good guide to build my own kernel? Thank's |
| 09:14.44 | jml2 | hiya, once you do this, i'll tell you what you can do to try to fix the intel gfx |
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| 09:14.59 | jml2 | hiya, subperformind drivers can affect others |
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| 09:15.17 | jml2 | ./under-performing drivers are problematic for a monolithic kernel(linux) |
| 09:15.19 | jml2 | :) |
| 09:16.49 | hiya | jml2, I cannot install non-free repo |
| 09:16.50 | hiya | :( |
| 09:17.05 | hiya | Can you still help me fix intel gfx without non-free? |
| 09:17.23 | jml2 | hiya, edit sources.list and add "contrib non-free" after "main " |
| 09:17.34 | jml2 | hiya, then apt-get update, and the apt-get install <package> |
| 09:18.02 | jml2 | hiya, wellt he microcode is also in non-free. |
| 09:18.25 | jml2 | hiya, that can help with intel gfx |
| 09:18.50 | jml2 | unless you want to extract it manually from intel's site, but then you need to do all kinds of commands for that... and is much more compelx |
| 09:18.56 | jml2 | ./more complex/ |
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| 09:21.37 | hiya | ok |
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| 09:38.44 | Guest8317 | Hi. Anyone can help me with getting the sound on ? I guess maybe it's not pointing at my sound card but I don't know much about alsa. |
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| 09:39.49 | TomTomTosch | Guest8317: install pavucontrol, set the right output device and check if volume is up. |
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| 09:40.05 | MeanEYE | Did anyone experience long time taken by the keyboard-setup.service to start? On my system it takes close to 2 seconds. |
| 09:40.13 | Guest8317 | TomTomTosch, Thanks, will try that out. |
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| 09:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | we still have !alsa checklist (to see, in here type /msg dpkg alsa checklist ) |
| 09:52.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it'd need to be re-written for pulse now |
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| 10:11.01 | putridp | is there any evidence to suggest that the badlock fix for Samba server 4.2.10-debian prevents OS X clients from connecting? |
| 10:11.07 | putridp | I'm having problems since the lastest security update |
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| 10:12.31 | putridp | Samba server 4.2.10-debian is the version carried on Jessie 8.4 |
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| 10:30.31 | hiya | W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/binary-amd64/PackagesIndex: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 10:30.38 | hiya | when I do aptitude update |
| 10:30.40 | hiya | I get this ^ |
| 10:31.09 | fred``` | try again later - looks like the mirror isnt upgraded right |
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| 11:20.08 | hiya | W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/binary-amd64/PackagesIndex: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 11:20.10 | hiya | E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 11:20.12 | hiya | E: Couldn't rebuild package cache |
| 11:20.15 | hiya | how do I fix this issue? |
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| 11:22.51 | Coolternet | hello guys |
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| 11:23.32 | Coolternet | im using Linux Debian 8.4.0 :) Im trying to configure Iptables but, im not able to do that |
| 11:24.08 | Coolternet | i need to install iptables.service but impossible to do |
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| 11:24.45 | TomTomTosch | hiya: try a different mirror if the geo mirror doesn't work for you. |
| 11:25.12 | hiya | TomTomTosch, but it did work last night? |
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| 11:25.28 | jelly | Coolternet: what makes you think that's the correct name for the service? |
| 11:25.37 | mimi89999 | Hello |
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| 11:25.56 | TomTomTosch | hiya: pick one https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 11:25.59 | Coolternet | i have type apt-get install iptables && apt-get install ufw |
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| 11:26.19 | mimi89999 | I want a list of packages installed from outside repos (other than the Debianmain repo) |
| 11:26.36 | mimi89999 | How can I do that? |
| 11:27.29 | jelly | Coolternet: okay. Now look at the contents of ufw package, "dpkg -L ufw", and see if it provides a systemd service... dpkg -L ufw | grep service |
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| 11:29.51 | hiya | TomTomTosch, Can I use a new mirror only for backports? |
| 11:30.00 | hiya | I plan to do it only, since that is the one which is buggy |
| 11:30.19 | jelly | Coolternet: if you choose ufw to manage the firewall rules, it's likely the service name or init script or whatever boot-time setup it has will have "ufw" in the name |
| 11:30.39 | Coolternet | yes |
| 11:30.59 | Coolternet | ufw run like a charm now ... idk why i have some trouble with iptables |
| 11:31.00 | hiya | ok |
| 11:31.16 | Coolternet | I try to configure Ajenti with iptables/ufw |
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| 11:47.28 | b0s3d | hey |
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| 11:48.21 | b0s3d | welcome dane :) |
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| 11:55.08 | qwerty12345 | hi, i'm planning to go back to debian, cause ubuntu is become more and more crap, they dont have really lts and support is unfriendly, does debian support native uefi now? |
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| 12:06.05 | kzar | Is there something like Ubuntu's mainline kernel PPA for Debian? (A way to easily install recent kernel versions without manually compiling them.) |
| 12:06.49 | qwerty12345 | in the experimental/testing/sid repository |
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| 12:12.20 | kzar | qwerty12345: Not quite the same, for example I just searched and the newest I could find in experimental was 4.5.0-1 where as according to kernel.org the current stable is 4.5.2 and mainline is 4.6-rc4. With Ubuntu's mainline kernel PPA you can already try 4.6-rc4 http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ |
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| 12:13.13 | qwerty12345 | kzar: then debian isn't ready for 4.6, or haven't build it yet |
| 12:14.07 | kzar | qwerty12345: Right, but that wasn't really my question. Ubuntu isn't ready for 4.6 either but there's a way to easily try out those very recent kernel versions. My question was is there something equivalent for Debian? |
| 12:14.33 | qwerty12345 | kzar: maybe the backports |
| 12:14.41 | kzar | qwerty12345: (Of course I could download the source and compile myself but I would rather avoid that.) |
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| 12:32.35 | teraflops | qwerty12345: now? |
| 12:33.24 | qwerty12345 | without disablind secure boot check etc |
| 12:33.32 | qwerty12345 | it tells me invalid signatire |
| 12:33.41 | teraflops | disable secure boot |
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| 12:37.25 | teraflops | qwerty12345: you mean getting secure boot via the debian installer? |
| 12:37.55 | qwerty12345 | security violation |
| 12:37.58 | qwerty12345 | invalid signature detected |
| 12:38.32 | teraflops | again, are you telling me the debian installer complains about it? |
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| 12:39.41 | teraflops | qwerty12345: e.g debian installer does not support btrfs + subvolumes, but it doesn't mean debian does not support btrfs + subvols... |
| 12:40.06 | teraflops | the same is applicable to your question |
| 12:40.09 | qwerty12345 | i am talking about uefi |
| 12:40.48 | teraflops | qwerty12345: https://burtness.wordpress.com/2014/02/08/secure-boot-with-debian-testing/ |
| 12:42.30 | teraflops | it seems your reading conprehension is borked, above you have an example |
| 12:43.06 | qwerty12345 | asshole |
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| 12:43.14 | teraflops | i love you too |
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| 13:11.22 | dokma | My Debian box just froze and rebooted during a full screen YouTube video play. I previously thought it was my old HD3450 that caused that because I replaced a capacitor on it twice but now this happened 5 days after I replaced it with a GTX 650... |
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| 13:11.52 | dokma | I can't find anything in syslog. What would be a good way to flush out which component is causing this? |
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| 13:12.26 | dokma | I tested the memory recently as well so it seems not to be memory either. |
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| 13:15.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it reboots automatically |
| 13:16.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could try to see if netconsole (or serial console) shows you some error just before it crashes |
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| 13:17.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I assume from the description that you cannot get logs via ssh or so when it's frozen |
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| 14:38.41 | claudia | Hi! I need help about isolate ftp/mysql user/pswd accounts, delivering to my team only a hash or intermdiate user password (they not knowing the real user password) |
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| 14:45.42 | claudia | someone can help me? I need any kind of intermediate security for the team development members to not know the real ftp/mysql users password |
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| 14:46.42 | Thraul | are you talking about root mysql password "? |
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| 14:48.00 | claudia | not only root password, I ask: are there any method for isolate real user/pass and deliver a general user /passwd and this translate a real password? |
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| 14:48.51 | Thraul | I know you can create mysql users and give them access to databases you can do the same with ftp. create users and jail them to folder locations. |
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| 14:50.18 | claudia | ok I undestand, but for administrate 500 sites with respective ftp mysql ssh password is worry |
| 14:50.42 | abrotman | claudia: what problem are you actually trying to solve? |
| 14:50.59 | abrotman | instead of trying to solve it, describe the issue, and see if there are other solutions |
| 14:51.30 | claudia | in the deep of my question are data confidenciality |
| 14:51.53 | claudia | because I need separate real password for deliver a work team |
| 14:51.58 | abrotman | Are you implying all users share the same account? |
| 14:52.20 | claudia | can be |
| 14:52.26 | abrotman | not can be .. they are or aren't |
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| 14:52.37 | abrotman | if you're gpoing to be vague, you're going to get vague answers |
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| 14:53.11 | claudia | I have a team but the enterprise requirement is that they not know the real client ftp mysql password (each of this are websites) |
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| 14:53.39 | abrotman | a) don't use FTP b) use ssh keys with scp? Then there are no passwords involved |
| 14:54.34 | Thraul | then you create sepecate users for mysql and then grant them permissions on the mysql databases they need access to. you can then create users for ftp jail them to folders, create users to ssh and jail them as well with access to programs and paths. |
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| 14:55.14 | claudia | ok, thanks for recommendations, but are there any soft for administer ssh keys wit scp? |
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| 14:55.24 | abrotman | claudia: bash |
| 14:55.51 | Thraul | ssh keys would be the best way to get around not knowing passwords. |
| 14:56.05 | abrotman | or using something akin to RSA tokens |
| 14:56.19 | Thraul | yeah thats another. |
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| 14:56.40 | claudia | I refer to a GUI for admin ssh key |
| 14:56.57 | abrotman | bash in gnome shell? |
| 14:57.11 | claudia | how use RSA tokens? |
| 14:57.14 | abrotman | anyway, you can try to tie FTP to one-time passwords .. |
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| 14:57.28 | Thraul | what your trying to achieve i would not call "best practices" |
| 14:57.30 | abrotman | claudia: you'll have to use google for that, or ask the channel for your FTPd (and you still shouldn't be using FTP) |
| 14:57.35 | abrotman | wtf kind of enterprise is that? |
| 14:58.04 | abrotman | !opie |
| 14:58.04 | dpkg | OPIE (One-time Password In Everything) is a system for using one-time passwords in applications. Packaged for Debian as opie-client and opie-server, removed post-Squeeze to resolve bug #622246. http://www.linux.ie/lists/pipermail/ilug/2005-August/083130.html |
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| 14:58.49 | claudia | I agree the policies of enterprise is very rare |
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| 14:59.59 | claudia | OPIE? as password repository? |
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| 15:00.07 | abrotman | no, FTP is not secure .. that's my point .. |
| 15:00.27 | abrotman | dpkg: ftp must die |
| 15:00.28 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 15:01.05 | TomTomTosch | claudia: is there maybe a language you are more comfortable with? not trying to offend, but there is for example #debian-es on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:02.28 | claudia | the policies is based on: if a worker go out (or fired) the long list of password not need be changed |
| 15:04.04 | claudia | TomTomTosch, not offend to me... I m sorry for my poor english |
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| 15:04.25 | Thraul | then with each new staff member you create a "power user" that has been granted permissions to perform tasks and access to data, if they need "root" privelleges then maybe look at using the sudo on those uers. |
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| 15:05.15 | abrotman | claudia: right, use RSA tokens or SSH keys .. your need is not special. |
| 15:06.16 | Thraul | systems that are internet facing use ssh key's, RSA tokens for non-linnux systems etc? |
| 15:06.28 | abrotman | we use RSA for *nix systems also |
| 15:06.40 | abrotman | (among other methods) |
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| 15:07.30 | claudia | rsa tokens, ssh keys w scp, OPIE, all good!, I start googling and learn about that, THANKS for all! |
| 15:08.22 | Thraul | all my linux internet systems have password ssh turned off and must connect via ssh key also non root login is permitted. must ssh in as a user and sudo <command> for root. this way root password is not disclosed |
| 15:08.53 | abrotman | A million different ways .. FTP isn't one of them :) |
| 15:09.13 | jmd | How can I tell systemd to delay mounting nfs mounted filesystems? |
| 15:09.23 | Thraul | a lots of options have been mentioned. I am sure you will find away to achieve what you are looking for :) |
| 15:09.37 | abrotman | jmd: isn't that in /etc/fstab using _netdev ? |
| 15:10.18 | jmd | abrotman: Hmm. I remember trying that before and it caused all sorts of problems. |
| 15:10.25 | abrotman | jmd: man mount |
| 15:10.28 | jmd | But I'll try again. |
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| 15:11.11 | Thraul | all i am using in my fstab is "server:/folder /mountpoint nfs defaults 0 0" |
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| 15:12.46 | jmd | Thraul: So how do you stop those mountpoints getting attempted to mount before the network interfaces are up? |
| 15:12.58 | abrotman | it's meant to be _netdev, really .. |
| 15:13.05 | abrotman | well, AFAIK |
| 15:13.12 | abrotman | man 5 nfs may have other optoins |
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| 15:14.48 | jmd | Anyway _netdev doesn't fix the problem |
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| 15:17.23 | abrotman | jmd: the filesystem is nfs? Each FS has its own "defaults" |
| 15:17.40 | jmd | yes, its nfs4 |
| 15:18.18 | abrotman | jmd: what about the "bg" option? |
| 15:18.26 | claudia | jmd: have your fstab nfs the clausule "auto"? |
| 15:18.59 | abrotman | jmd: that apparently states that if it fails, it should background, and attempt to remount soon |
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| 15:19.25 | jmd | abrotman: ok, I will try that. |
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| 15:20.05 | abrotman | Or as you suggested, perhaps a systemd-specific issue |
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| 15:20.24 | jmd | Where is bg documented ? |
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| 15:20.41 | abrotman | man nfs (I mentioned that earlier) |
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| 15:24.21 | jmd | No dice with bg. Is there an easy way to tell systemd to run "mount -a -O _netdev" as a final stage in the boot sequence? |
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| 15:39.54 | teraflops | jmd: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/05/msg00618.html. rpcbind.service fixes it afaik. I don't use nsf in debian if there is no rpcbind.service use the one there I suppose |
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| 15:46.55 | Okee | How many CDs are required for installing Debian? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:47.26 | jmd | teraflops: I can't make out from that bug report what the suggested solution is. |
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| 15:47.49 | mtn | Okee: the first one, or just use the netinstall |
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| 15:48.43 | Myrtti | I'd use the netinst too |
| 15:48.58 | teraflops | Perhaps I misread your issue. But I thought you were complaining about nfs mounts getting stuck at boot time and delaying the boot process |
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| 15:49.48 | hiya | dd requires sudo? |
| 15:49.50 | hiya | or not? |
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| 15:50.10 | teraflops | jmd: am I wrong? |
| 15:50.48 | Okee | mtn> I am making a burnable disk. So just the first CD is required, and not all 8? |
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| 15:51.12 | TomTomTosch | hiya: depends on the access rights of your user in regards to if and of |
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| 15:51.23 | frostschutz | hiya, depends what you do with it. reading/writing raw block devices usually requires root permissions. if you use dd on regular files owned by you, that will work without sudo |
| 15:51.26 | mtn | Okee: that is what I said, yes |
| 15:51.44 | Okee | mtn> Ok. Thanks |
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| 15:55.13 | hiya | dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sd<usb drive letter> bs=1M status=progress && sync |
| 15:55.21 | hiya | frostschutz, ^ |
| 15:55.24 | hiya | for this? |
| 15:55.28 | hiya | TomTomTosch, ^ |
| 15:55.52 | frostschutz | hiya, regular users can't read from / write to /dev/sd*, you will get a permission error |
| 15:56.56 | zykotick9 | hiya: note, "sudo cp foo.iso /dev/sdX" followed by sync is typically easier... ymmv |
| 15:57.22 | TomTomTosch | ^ also the recommended way in the docs. |
| 15:57.29 | hiya | zykotick9, but would it make it bootable? |
| 15:57.36 | zykotick9 | hiya: yes. |
| 15:57.41 | jmd | teraflops: Not quite. My problem is that nfs mounts never get mounted. |
| 15:57.47 | hiya | ok then I would use iit |
| 15:57.48 | hiya | :D |
| 15:57.50 | hiya | thanks zykotick9 |
| 15:57.52 | zykotick9 | hiya: assuming it's a debian iso... or other hybrid. |
| 15:58.04 | hiya | zykotick9, Fedora ? |
| 15:58.06 | hiya | :D |
| 15:58.12 | zykotick9 | hiya: i have no clue... |
| 15:58.13 | hiya | Fedora live CD |
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| 15:58.22 | TomTomTosch | hiya: ask the fedora channel. |
| 15:58.23 | jmd | Anyway I think I can solve the problem (rather inelegantly) by putting "mount -a -O _netdev" in /etc/rc.local |
| 15:58.32 | hiya | TomTomTosch, omg sorry wrong chan |
| 15:58.33 | hiya | :D |
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| 15:59.01 | teraflops | jmd: ah I read <jmd> How can I tell systemd to delay mounting nfs mounted filesystems? |
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| 16:12.06 | fas3r | hello |
| 16:12.19 | jmd | fas3r: hi |
| 16:12.19 | fas3r | does anyone manage to make it work sssd and samba4 as a DC with the GPO ? |
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| 16:12.57 | jmd | DC = Direct Current, GPO = General Post Office, sssd = ??? |
| 16:13.53 | fas3r | domain Controller, Group Policy Object, sssd well it's sssd :D |
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| 16:16.53 | Kaylas | hi, i have 2 gpu on my laptop |
| 16:17.01 | Kaylas | i have add another screen via hdmi but don't work |
| 16:17.08 | Kaylas | i don't have any xorg.conf file configured |
| 16:17.14 | Kaylas | tips? |
| 16:17.31 | teraflops | Kaylas: optimus laptop? |
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| 16:18.20 | Kaylas | yeah, first is intel and the second is nvidia |
| 16:18.29 | teraflops | Kaylas: https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/wiki/Multi-monitor-setup |
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| 16:19.54 | Kaylas | teraflops i don't know how to configure my xorg file |
| 16:20.07 | Kaylas | i have tried to run nvidia-xconfig but when start the xorg log say to me |
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| 16:20.23 | im | hi |
| 16:20.23 | teraflops | Kaylas: perhaps you do not need a xorg file at all |
| 16:20.51 | teraflops | Kaylas: also read the link I gave you, it seems you really need to read it carefully |
| 16:21.11 | Kaylas | ok thanks i read up |
| 16:21.14 | teraflops | np |
| 16:21.35 | im | Cropping a TIFF file without affecting the pixels except translating them - what tool is good and especially fast? |
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| 16:27.38 | jmd | im: Imagemagick is quite good. |
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| 16:30.02 | im | jmd: ah, and can it also crop a TIFF without any quality loss or pixel modification? |
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| 16:31.49 | jmd | im: I think so. Yes. |
| 16:32.45 | hiya | dd: invalid status flag: âprogressâ |
| 16:32.49 | hiya | what is wrong? |
| 16:32.57 | im | jmd: because I just want to get rid of the transparent margins - nothing more. and fast and simple. |
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| 16:33.58 | jmd | im: Well why don't you try it and see if it fits your needs. |
| 16:34.56 | im | jmd: alright, I just need to find another tools that compares pixels for me - even when the other image got them translated |
| 16:34.59 | im | I mean, how can I be sure. |
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| 16:37.00 | im | jmd: I could cmpare the pixel manually - hmm :O |
| 16:37.17 | im | well, maybe I crop one image with photoshop (the slow method with big dependency) and then compare it with the imagicked one |
| 16:37.20 | im | yes, that could help |
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| 16:40.11 | im | What means "16 bits-per-pixel component" for a imagemagick build? |
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| 16:41.15 | jmd | im: i |
| 16:41.41 | jmd | Gimp is very flexible and powerfull. Not particularly fast though. |
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| 16:43.54 | im | jmd: hm, right! |
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| 17:24.14 | devster31 | so I have USERGROUPS enabled in login defs, the default umask is 022 which gets relaxed to 002, however when I sudo -i the umask for root is still 022, why is that? |
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| 17:25.05 | devster31 | I also added the relevant session optional pam_umask.so line to the /etc/pam.d/common-session |
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| 17:38.01 | Okee | Do you really need all 8 CDs in order to install Debian? Or can I get away with just the first one? I am getting conflicting opinions, so I thought I would double check. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 17:39.10 | ompaul | Okee: no you don't, do you have a moderate internet connection |
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| 17:39.19 | mtn | Okee: you were already told disk 1 is all you need to install debian |
| 17:39.42 | Okee | ompaul> We need a disk for a no-internet option. |
| 17:39.49 | Okee | mtn> Ok, just checking. Thanks. |
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| 17:46.50 | cmtptr | in /etc/network/interfaces.d, are mapping stanzas additive? in other words, I would like to be able to specify "mapping wlan0" in one file, and add "map ..." entries to it by adding more files rather than by editing that file |
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| 18:17.21 | wewlad | hello debs, is there $status/$STATUS envvar in debian? |
| 18:17.43 | wewlad | I mean the one that usually contains ErrorLevel from the last command |
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| 18:18.47 | jmcnaught | wewlad: $? |
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| 18:19.52 | wewlad | jmcnaught: well, the dollar is used in case I'd like to echo that var's contents, of course it's not the part of envvar's name |
| 18:20.29 | jmcnaught | wewlad: are you asking how to get the return code of the previous command? it's $? |
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| 18:21.24 | wewlad | jmcnaught: what? 'echo $' shows a dollar |
| 18:21.31 | Vasistha | I just purchased a hybrid hard drive, 32 GB SSD + 1 TB spinning. |
| 18:21.32 | Vasistha | I started the jessie install, and got to partitioning, and realized there's an issue. |
| 18:21.33 | Vasistha | If I do LVM + encrypted root, will the hybrid drive be able to do its data access optimization? |
| 18:21.41 | markybob | wewlad: he's not asking. he means use a question mark |
| 18:21.46 | jmcnaught | wewlad: <dollarsign><questionmark> i'm not asking you a question |
| 18:21.52 | wewlad | aaaah |
| 18:21.53 | wewlad | :D |
| 18:22.26 | wewlad | thx, it works |
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| 18:24.31 | jmcnaught | Vasistha: if the computer sees the disk as a single block device, and not as two separate block devices, then it should happen transparently |
| 18:25.53 | Vasistha | jmcnaught: yes, the drive presents as /dev/sdb, a single device, there is no /dev/sdc |
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| 18:26.35 | Vasistha | jmcnaught: so even with the encryption, the drive can still intelligently move things around? That's fantastic, thank you! |
| 18:26.48 | xormor | wewlad, "$?", as in "echo $?" is the way to show the return code value of a terminated program. |
| 18:27.36 | xormor | 0 |
| 18:28.35 | xormor | wewlad, please type: "/exec -o echo $?" |
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| 18:34.30 | lundmar | Hi. I'm looking for help to get the "gotty" terminal application included in debian - http://gotty.io . We have an ubuntu ppa and someone said we simply needed a sponsor to get it included in debian? (yes, I've already made wnpp request). |
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| 18:35.13 | markybob | !mentors |
| 18:35.14 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 18:47.00 | lundmar | yes, I'm looking for a sponsor. If there are any debian developers here who frequently connect to their embedded boards using serial connection please consider testing and including gotty - it a very simple and useful serial TTY application. For basic serial I/O it is easier to use than eg. minicom/picocom etc.. It is specifically written to replace screen for serial I/O when using tmux. |
| 18:47.18 | lundmar | +is |
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| 18:48.19 | markybob | lundmar: the end of the factoid told you the proper channel to ask |
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| 18:49.13 | wewlad | xormor: what will that command do? |
| 18:50.44 | Vasistha | wewlad: I believe his command was for use within the chat window; its functionality is gonna depend on your irc client I guess |
| 18:51.18 | wewlad | ah, my irc client is running under windows... |
| 18:51.25 | markybob | nor does it matter. the issue was solved. |
| 18:51.54 | piklu | Hi Guys |
| 18:52.04 | piklu | i have an app i need to keep on running - basically a command |
| 18:52.09 | piklu | if killed, run the command again |
| 18:52.18 | piklu | what is the best way to do it please. |
| 18:53.10 | wewlad | does 'apt-get install something' usually prompt user's confirmation? because afair it did so for me until I had noticed that it stopped doing so for packages without dependencies. |
| 18:53.50 | piklu | there is a way to install dependencies too automatically |
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| 18:55.28 | wewlad | well, I actually would like the opposite: I'd like to be always prompted before any installs, since I don't know yet how to get a list of available packages that match the query... |
| 18:55.41 | piklu | anyone help me please? |
| 18:55.51 | debby_ | I have Debian Jessie. I need to reduce monitor's brightness. I have VGA -- Gallium 0.4 on AMD KAVERI . So far, the command "xrandr --output VGA-0 --brightness 0.6" does the job of reducing monitor's brightness, accept that it is canceled with each reboot. How can I make it permanent? |
| 18:56.11 | wewlad | piklu: how about running a bash script that starts your process and monitors if it dies? |
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| 18:56.24 | wewlad | and restarts it in that case... |
| 18:56.25 | piklu | wewlad : bad...but can be useful. |
| 18:56.29 | piklu | to log type. |
| 18:56.38 | piklu | i was looking for a more well established solution |
| 18:57.03 | piklu | I believe its very common need |
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| 18:58.18 | zinx | piklu: some desktop environments come with a persistent setting for brightness |
| 18:58.27 | piklu | ?? |
| 18:58.51 | wewlad | piklu: also, take a loot at this: https://www.safaribooksonline.com/library/view/linux-server-hacks/0596004613/ch01s05.html |
| 18:58.58 | wewlad | might be helpful, dunno tho |
| 18:58.59 | markybob | piklu: redshift has an autostart option |
| 18:59.05 | piklu | redshift? |
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| 19:01.25 | wewlad | is 'init' present in Debian or was it removed in favor of systemd? or are those completely different things? |
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| 19:09.27 | jmcnaught | wewlad: systemd is the default init in jessie, but the older sysvinit is still available |
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| 19:14.18 | cengizIO | hello there! I've read specific pages but my CPU temp is high. it's a macbook 11,1. any suggestions? |
| 19:14.21 | wewlad | jmcnaught: could you give some forecast of what's going to happen with init system in debian in next few releases? |
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| 19:15.09 | Vasistha | cengizIO: what version of debian are you using? |
| 19:15.09 | cengizIO | it's 10 degrees C higher than OSX |
| 19:15.13 | cengizIO | jessie |
| 19:15.29 | jmcnaught | wewlad: i'm not a debian developer, but i imagine that sysvinit and others like upstart will continue to be available for as long as its feasible |
| 19:15.42 | Vasistha | cengizIO: Is cpu frequency being managed intelligently? |
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| 19:15.55 | dontknow | cengizIO, do you have discrete gpu? |
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| 19:16.11 | cengizIO | nope. only integrated intel gpu. |
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| 19:16.56 | Vasistha | cengizIO: it may be useful to get a cpu meter that shows activity over time. I have one on my panel. If you can somehow compare the activity on osx vs debian, you might get an idea of which activities tax debian more than osx |
| 19:17.07 | jmcnaught | cengizIO: i use thermald to automatically manage the cpufreq and temperature, you could check if your CPU is supported by it. I think Intel CPUs from Sandy Bridge on can use it |
| 19:17.33 | cengizIO | Vasistha, yep. I have a widget for cinnamon showing 48.0C right now |
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| 19:18.01 | cengizIO | jmcnaught, I'm looking for it now |
| 19:18.05 | dontknow | 48 is good for a laptop |
| 19:18.09 | Vasistha | cengizIO: I meant something that shows e.g. cpu frequency, and cpu load, in addition to temperature |
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| 19:18.20 | cengizIO | Vasistha, oh ok |
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| 19:18.59 | cengizIO | dontknow, yes but not without any load. osx manages to keep it around 38-40 without any apps and load |
| 19:19.03 | Vasistha | cengizIO: it should give more immediate feedback as to when the load gets heavy, and for how long |
| 19:19.27 | cengizIO | I'm not praising for osx btw :D |
| 19:19.51 | dontknow | mac osx is love |
| 19:19.57 | cengizIO | just want to keep it close to reference value |
| 19:20.15 | Vasistha | My thinkpad is at 42C right now, and battery at 50C. In the past I had a laptop that would overheat and shut itself off, I think it did that over 90C |
| 19:20.25 | jelly | wewlad: noone can say what's going to happen with linux ecosystem in the next decade (that's "next few releases" for Debian) |
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| 19:20.49 | cengizIO | Vasistha, you can check `sensors` output |
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| 19:20.56 | cengizIO | it shows the critical value |
| 19:21.01 | cengizIO | mine is 100 |
| 19:21.42 | Vasistha | yeah that's familiar. That old laptop was routinely running in the 80s-90s. IIRC I replaced the fan, but it still ran hot |
| 19:21.47 | wewlad | I was once advised here to use 'lm-sensors' |
| 19:21.50 | cengizIO | jmcnaught, `cpufreq-info` says it's using intel_pstate as driver |
| 19:21.50 | wewlad | thx jelly |
| 19:22.05 | wewlad | thx jmcnaught |
| 19:22.18 | xormor | I just found out I can use "apt" instead of "apt-get" for getting my software upgrades from the repos. |
| 19:22.43 | xormor | and it seems apt is faster, too. |
| 19:23.09 | jmcnaught | cengizIO: i think thermald will work with that. i didn't configure it beyond the defaults, my use case was "don't get so hot when i encode videos". my thinkpad x220 idles at around 49C. you might be able to get it lower on yours. maybe also check out powertop |
| 19:23.49 | jmcnaught | cengizIO: word of advice re: powertop, don't blindly enable all of the "tunables" that it offers without testing, some "optimizations" could use more power or cause strange problems |
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| 19:24.29 | cengizIO | jmcnaught, I've completely forgotten about powertop. thanks for reminding! |
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| 19:27.00 | cengizIO | jmcnaught, what a sh**y site thermald has... |
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| 19:27.23 | Kaylas | teraflops don't work x_X |
| 19:28.01 | dontknow | i don't think thermald would fix this issue |
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| 19:28.21 | dontknow | the difference in heat can be neglected |
| 19:28.48 | dontknow | thermald is usable when cpu gets hotter |
| 19:28.59 | teraflops | Kaylas: sorry? |
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| 19:29.35 | jmcnaught | cengizIO: yeah there's also a github listed as the homepage in the debian. the man pages are informative |
| 19:29.36 | teraflops | Kaylas: hmmm, optimus issue? |
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| 19:29.56 | Kaylas | yep |
| 19:30.13 | pharpend | jmcnaught: Yesterday, you were helping me with a bizarre kernel error. I finally got a pic of the error message off my phone: https://i.imgur.com/1bii6nA.jpg |
| 19:30.44 | teraflops | jesus I barely remember what I ate for breakfast :P |
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| 19:31.29 | TomTomTosch | cengizIO: is it an intel skylake part? |
| 19:31.55 | teraflops | Kaylas: do you know to which gpu is your hdmi hardwired? |
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| 19:32.23 | jmcnaught | pharpend: does the machine not boot at all? have you tried search for solutions? |
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| 19:32.46 | pharpend | jmcnaught: the machine boots, but every so often, it will become unresponsive |
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| 19:32.54 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 19:33.06 | cengizIO | TomTomTosch, well checking it now |
| 19:33.16 | pharpend | jmcnaught: once, I went to my desk to find computer unresponsive, and that error message repeatedly shown on the screen |
| 19:33.19 | pharpend | johnfg: hello |
| 19:33.21 | johnfg | I've run logrotate, but still get a warning about low space left on /var. |
| 19:33.42 | pharpend | johnfg: df -h /var |
| 19:33.48 | johnfg | I've also ran apt-get autoclean and autoremove, but none of those have gained me much. |
| 19:34.05 | johnfg | pharpend: K, I'll do that and show you. |
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| 19:34.29 | cengizIO | TomTomTosch, haswell |
| 19:34.59 | johnfg | pharpend /dev/sda3 9.5G 8.5G 573M 94% /var |
| 19:35.00 | pharpend | jmcnaught: I've searched online, pretty much all of the causes have little to nothing to do with the error message |
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| 19:35.12 | wewlad | how to make 'apt-get install something' always ask for confirmation? |
| 19:35.48 | wewlad | I didn't find in google, neither here [ https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-guide/ch2.en.html ] nor here [ https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/sect.apt-get.en.html ] |
| 19:35.54 | pharpend | wewlad: it should always do that unless you pass -y |
| 19:36.30 | wewlad | pharpend: I don't pass -y but it doesn't always promt, sometimes when a package has no dependencies - it just installs it |
| 19:36.30 | pharpend | johnfg: can you paste the output of 'lsblk' |
| 19:36.39 | johnfg | pharpend: sure |
| 19:36.41 | pharpend | johnfg: not in the channel, on a pastebin somewhere |
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| 19:37.11 | pharpend | wewlad: if you run 'apt-get install X', apt-get is entirely reasonable in assuming you want to install X |
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| 19:37.29 | pharpend | wewlad: try running --dry-run |
| 19:37.38 | pharpend | wewlad: ack, pass --dry-run, or -s |
| 19:37.57 | TomTomTosch | cengizIO: a newer kernel /might/ help a bit with drivers that support p-states better. just as a last resort. you would want to do what jmcnaught said first. |
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| 19:38.02 | johnfg | http://paste.debian.net/440535/ |
| 19:38.47 | wewlad | pharpend: <if you run 'apt-get install X', apt-get is entirely reasonable in assuming you want to install X> I'd like to unreason it in that matter. how do I do that? |
| 19:38.50 | pharpend | johnfg: I would say that 9.8G isn't enough for a root partition |
| 19:39.01 | pharpend | johnfg: er, a /var partition |
| 19:39.08 | pharpend | johnfg: But, you have a small disk, so I see why you did that |
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| 19:39.22 | jmcnaught | wewlad: by default it only prompts when there are dependencies. you could use --simulate to see what it will do |
| 19:39.25 | pharpend | wewlad: 'unreason' it? |
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| 19:39.35 | pharpend | wewlad: --simulate is the same as -s or --dry-run |
| 19:39.57 | pharpend | wewlad: but, to more directly answer your question, I don't think there's a way to do that |
| 19:39.58 | jmcnaught | wewlad: have you checked out /usr/share/doc/apt/examples ? |
| 19:40.00 | wewlad | pharpend: I got it, but that's not what I want.. |
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| 19:40.14 | pharpend | wewlad: You could use aptitude instead, it might prompt every time |
| 19:40.43 | pharpend | wewlad: or just 'apt', or any of the 20 dozen tools that duplicate the functionality of apt-get |
| 19:40.44 | wewlad | pharpend: eh, new software... I was just getting used to apt-get... |
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| 19:41.09 | jmcnaught | pharpend: are you using any proprietary drivers? which kernel are you using? |
| 19:41.21 | pharpend | wewlad: the commands are the same for aptitude (mostly), it just includes a more powerful query system, and it bundles apt-get, apt-cache, apt-key, et al in one tool |
| 19:41.33 | johnfg | Seems to me that i had a similar problem before, since upgrading to jessie, but other than what I've done, I can't remember what I did or what was the culprit. |
| 19:41.45 | pharpend | jmcnaught: I might be... Linux tsarina 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:42.13 | jmcnaught | pharpend: well that's the stock jessie kernel. you don't remember if you installed nvidia drivers or fglrx? |
| 19:42.22 | pharpend | jmcnaught: I don't think I did |
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| 19:42.53 | pharpend | jmcnaught: A quick glance at 'lsmod' seems like I'm using nouveau |
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| 19:42.59 | merpyyyy | How big keys does openssh support, want to type of key should i make to be safe ? Thanks a lot in advance! |
| 19:43.30 | pharpend | merpyyyy: depends on the cipher scheme |
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| 19:43.57 | pharpend | merpyyyy: check out 'man ssh-keygen' |
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| 19:44.24 | merpyyyy | is Ed25519 the way to go ? |
| 19:44.51 | pharpend | jmcnaught: 'lsmod | grep -i nvidia' returns nothing |
| 19:44.58 | pharpend | merpyyyy: not if you're interacting with old servers |
| 19:45.10 | pharpend | merpyyyy: but 90% of servers probably do security updates |
| 19:45.37 | pharpend | merpyyyy: As a general rule, if Debian stable has some feature, most other distros will have it by then too |
| 19:45.39 | merpyyyy | ahh okay, i was thinking about using rsa |
| 19:46.12 | jmcnaught | pharpend: those messages should still be in syslog on your next boot, you might also consider enabling persistent journald so you can check the entries with "journalctl --boot -1". See systemd's README.Debian for how to enable persistent journald |
| 19:46.21 | merpyyyy | Sorry i am pretty new to all this but do debian support Ed25519 |
| 19:46.32 | pharpend | merpyyyy: seems so |
| 19:46.37 | TomTomTosch | merpyyyy: yes |
| 19:46.40 | pharpend | merpyyyy: I'm on stable, my version supports it |
| 19:46.51 | wewlad | #winehq doesn't respond - does anyone know if I can run x32 and x64 programs with wine64 or do I need both wine64 and wine32 or they won't even sit well together on 1 system? |
| 19:47.09 | merpyyyy | very nice. do you know if it supports any key length ? like 20480 ? |
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| 19:47.54 | TomTomTosch | merpyyyy: it has a fixed key length in any implementation. |
| 19:48.13 | merpyyyy | okay :) |
| 19:48.38 | pharpend | wewlad: I don't know, I don't use wine. What do you need it for? There might be a better solution |
| 19:48.41 | jmcnaught | wewlad: i think this is covered in https://wiki.debian.org/Wine and you need multi-arch |
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| 19:49.01 | merpyyyy | would you say that Ed25519 is pretty normal by now or should i keep using rsa or dsa ? |
| 19:49.43 | TomTomTosch | merpyyyy: rsa is probably most widely used. 2048 bits being default. |
| 19:50.06 | merpyyyy | i wonder if 2048 is too low if i should make it bigger |
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| 19:50.25 | TomTomTosch | making it bigger does not add much protection. |
| 19:50.26 | wewlad | pharpend: because I'm a windows fag (I'm trying to figure out whether debian can replace me windows) and I'd like to be able to run some of the programs I got used to/like/need/whatever. |
| 19:50.29 | wewlad | jmcnaught: thx |
| 19:50.54 | pharpend | wewlad: I haven't been in this channel long, but I think most Linux channels don't like that type of language. |
| 19:51.02 | pharpend | wewlad: the notable exception is #archlinux and friends |
| 19:51.10 | merpyyyy | TomTomTosch okay maybe i should just go with rsa 2048 it is still better then a password login |
| 19:51.10 | jmcnaught | wewlad: please don't use the word "fag" here, this isn't 4chan and many see it as a homophobic slur |
| 19:51.17 | wewlad | sorry |
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| 19:51.37 | TomTomTosch | merpyyyy: yes. it will be fine. |
| 19:51.40 | wewlad | I thought that's a ~ acceptable word |
| 19:51.48 | cengizIO | thank you TomTomTosch |
| 19:51.52 | wewlad | well, I'm a foreigner, after all, but that's no excuse |
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| 19:52.09 | jmcnaught | wewlad: no worries, now you know :) |
| 19:52.17 | pharpend | wewlad: Alright, then. I remember Wine as being quite a pain, but I haven't used it in a long time. |
| 19:52.20 | cengizIO | I just installed laptop-mode-utils which was missing. what do you think? |
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| 19:53.03 | Walakea | does the debian-modified linux kernel have an official name? |
| 19:53.08 | jmcnaught | cengizIO: is that a Debian package? where did you get it from? |
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| 19:53.32 | cengizIO | jmcnaught, yes it is. it's in stable |
| 19:53.39 | dutchfish | Walakea, you mean a debian stock kernel? |
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| 19:54.12 | Walakea | the kernel debian officialy uses that removed all non-free blobs |
| 19:54.25 | jmcnaught | ,v laptop-mode-utils |
| 19:54.27 | judd | No package named 'laptop-mode-utils' was found in amd64. |
| 19:54.35 | jmcnaught | cengizIO: no it's not ^^ |
| 19:54.40 | TomTomTosch | ,v laptop-mode-tools |
| 19:54.41 | judd | Package: laptop-mode-tools on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.55-2; wheezy: 1.61-2; jessie: 1.66-2; stretch: 1.69.2-1; sid: 1.69.2-1 |
| 19:54.44 | TomTomTosch | this? |
| 19:54.49 | cengizIO | jmcnaught, my bad. it's laptop-mode-tools |
| 19:54.58 | jmcnaught | aha! |
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| 19:55.12 | dutchfish | Walakea, well a debian kernel start with linux-image* ; the firmware is in separate pakages |
| 19:55.21 | dutchfish | ,kernel |
| 19:55.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1) |
| 19:56.58 | dutchfish | Walakea, so `aptitude search linux-image` will list what kernel are in the repository for your architecture. |
| 19:57.15 | Walakea | dutchfish i am not asking about package name, but generally if it has an official name |
| 19:57.22 | Walakea | like debian kernel |
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| 19:58.02 | Walakea | it is a unique piece of software after all |
| 19:58.05 | jmcnaught | Walakea: no, not very many things in Debian use a different name than upstream |
| 19:58.18 | dutchfish | Walakea, its referred to as stock kernel; it has no special name other then its version and is prepackaged by the debian kernel team |
| 19:58.49 | Walakea | thanks |
| 19:59.19 | dutchfish | Walakea, here is an overview of the current states https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-kernel@lists.debian.org |
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| 20:00.06 | Walakea | man, i hate my wifi card |
| 20:00.13 | cengizIO | well this is confusing. there is `pm-utils` and `laptop-mode-tools` which it seems, conflict with each other. |
| 20:00.31 | cengizIO | Walakea, is it broadcom? |
| 20:00.44 | Walakea | mediatek MT7630E |
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| 20:01.18 | Walakea | i only got it working via some software i found on internet which was inteded for Ubuntu |
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| 20:01.33 | Walakea | i needed to do some dkms-ing |
| 20:01.52 | dka | is there a way to block the port range [31000-32000] for a specific interface (eth0). What is the recommended way to do it ? |
| 20:01.55 | Walakea | but it only works with the 3.XX kernel |
| 20:02.09 | cengizIO | Walakea, mine is broadcom 4360 which is problematic even its official os. |
| 20:02.27 | Walakea | the OS subbests firmware-realtek |
| 20:02.27 | cengizIO | dka, iptables? |
| 20:02.31 | Walakea | *suggests |
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| 20:03.13 | dka | cengizIO, i can't find anything in the doc |
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| 20:04.38 | cengizIO | dka have a shot at this: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/iptables-essentials-common-firewall-rules-and-commands |
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| 20:05.06 | markybob | dka: also iptables support is in #netfilter |
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| 20:11.00 | Kaylas | i have tryed to stop the lightdm and start using the optirun |
| 20:11.02 | Kaylas | but don't work |
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| 20:11.16 | tumble_ | hi guys, I'm running debian sid and after the last update my gnome keeps crashing/"disappearing" (I need to switch to a different tty to get vision again). in the syslog I see https://bpaste.net/show/d02fa264b6f7 |
| 20:11.19 | Kaylas | then i've try to edit the xorg but don't work |
| 20:11.26 | tumble_ | any ideas in what direction I could search or whether this is a known issue? |
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| 20:11.40 | markybob | tumble_: wrong place. #debian-next on oftc per /topic |
| 20:12.17 | tumble_ | alright, ty |
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| 20:14.20 | Walakea | i am running debian stable and i found out that quite many times a window crashes when i try to do something (like libreoffice); by quite many times i mean maybe two times per month but such things havent happened to me in windows, should i blame X? |
| 20:14.45 | Walakea | i meant the the program crashes |
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| 20:43.40 | codebam | so I added the debian repos to a distro with its own sources because I wanted access to all the debian arm packages. The problem is that I cant install the keyring package because I cant sync. Is there a force option for apt-get update? |
| 20:44.47 | jmcnaught | codebam: #debian doesn't support other distros. doing something like this will end with messy frankendebian system, an unsupportable hybrid of two distros |
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| 20:47.19 | him11235 | codebam, why use apt to access debian arm packages? |
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| 20:48.28 | him11235 | apt should be used for the running system only |
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| 20:52.08 | codebam | him1123: Im on android using an app called termux which supplies a linux environment without a chroot |
| 20:52.32 | codebam | jmcnaught: oh okay |
| 20:53.51 | codebam | is there a way to ignore gpg public keys when doing apt update though? |
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| 20:54.49 | jmcnaught | codebam: check the man page, and seek support in termux's support channel/forum |
| 20:55.47 | him11235 | avoid doing insecure downloads of packages |
| 20:56.01 | codebam | jmcnaught: Okay, and I have already done the latter. Thanks |
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| 20:56.33 | codebam | him11235: agreed, I'd just be doing it so that I can download the keyring though |
| 20:57.26 | him11235 | try '--allow-unauthenticated' |
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| 20:59.36 | jmcnaught | him11235: codebam: for real though, we don't support anything but actual Debian in this channel because we don't know what's different about your other distro and we don't want to give destructive advice. also it's off-topic. please move the non-Debian support elsewhere |
| 20:59.50 | him11235 | got it |
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| 21:07.04 | codebam | jmcnaught: Okay cool, didn't mean to bother you guys with non-debian related problems. Thanks for your help though! |
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| 21:09.30 | jmcnaught | codebam: you could try ##linux |
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| 21:14.49 | codebam | jmcnaught: Cool, thanks. I'll try that. |
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| 21:24.56 | dondon | is there an easy way to list orphaned packages. i know apt-get autoremove will prompt if i want to remove them, but i would like a command that just spits them out |
| 21:25.00 | dondon | *? |
| 21:25.39 | Walex | dondon: yes |
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| 21:27.52 | dondon | Walex: hooray. how might i do this? |
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| 21:38.40 | reisio | jmcnaught: hi |
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| 21:38.55 | jmcnaught | reisio: yes? |
| 21:39.05 | reisio | hello I said |
| 21:39.20 | jmcnaught | reisio: do you need help or something? |
| 21:39.29 | reisio | mmm, not particularly |
| 21:39.46 | reisio | people who say hi to you normally need help? |
| 21:40.22 | him11235 | it is a chat afterall |
| 21:40.38 | wewlad | I call it 'online support' |
| 21:40.39 | wewlad | :) |
| 21:40.59 | reisio | I might argue it's both of those :p |
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| 21:41.07 | jmcnaught | reisio: this is a support channel, if you're lonely and want to chat you do it in #debian-offtopic, but i'm not particularly interested in chatting with you after being called a moron multiple times |
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| 21:41.27 | reisio | shrugs |
| 21:41.33 | reisio | I don't want to chat with you either |
| 21:41.47 | wewlad | then you should unhi him |
| 21:42.00 | ltl | jmcnaught: reisio is a regular, just being cordial |
| 21:42.32 | jmcnaught | ltl: he was calling me a moron in ##linux multiple times for pointing out that #debian is not the place to refer non-Debian apt users |
| 21:42.37 | reisio | ltl: you look like the symbol for egyptian walking |
| 21:43.03 | reisio | jmcnaught: multiple times is the appropriate amount for multiple instances :p |
| 21:43.03 | ltl | jmcnaught: oh, hrm. |
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| 21:43.23 | LtL | reisio: better? |
| 21:43.28 | reisio | hrmmm |
| 21:43.39 | reisio | now you look like the japanese version of the symbol for egyptian walking, heheh |
| 21:43.59 | reisio | you look more capitaly, though |
| 21:43.59 | jmcnaught | reisio: this isn't ##linux, please keep it on the topic of Debian support |
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| 21:44.16 | reisio | jmcnaught: this isn't ##linux? |
| 21:45.44 | teraflops | hmm |
| 21:46.42 | wewlad | is there any solution for the following..? Sometimes I need to make the output of some command in terminal be persistently shown so that I could write something else (multiple times) while looking at it. |
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| 21:47.07 | reisio | wewlad: screen/tmux |
| 21:47.20 | wewlad | reisio: how is it done there? |
| 21:47.32 | reisio | you could make it the screen title, or just have it in another region |
| 21:47.40 | reisio | history | tail -1 |
| 21:47.46 | reisio | tail -2 :p |
| 21:47.49 | codebam | I installed a debian chroot now haha |
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| 21:47.55 | codebam | :) |
| 21:48.02 | wewlad | title bar is too small for that |
| 21:48.11 | wewlad | another region seems nice |
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| 21:48.31 | reisio | wewlad: cute approach here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6109225/bash-echoing-the-last-command-run |
| 21:48.42 | reisio | codebam: what's that get you? |
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| 21:49.04 | wewlad | reisio: that's not what I need, since it won't work if I execute 2 commands |
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| 21:49.22 | codebam | reisio: a real debian environment? what do you mean? |
| 21:49.35 | reisio | wewlad: mmmm |
| 21:49.40 | reisio | wewlad: could temporarily export it into your PS1 |
| 21:49.47 | reisio | codebam: that's what I meant |
| 21:49.52 | wewlad | I mean I'd like to make 'ls /this' results always visible, but then I need to try different stuff like 'cat that' 'cat nocatthat' |
| 21:49.57 | codebam | oh okay |
| 21:50.01 | wewlad | what's PS1? |
| 21:50.04 | reisio | wewlad: oh, yeah I'd use screen for that |
| 21:50.13 | reisio | wewlad: echo $PS1; it's your prompt |
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| 21:50.16 | reisio | screen's more suitable |
| 21:50.30 | wewlad | \s-\v\$ |
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| 21:50.34 | wewlad | wut's that? |
| 21:50.49 | wewlad | oh, I guess it's a code for titlebar's text |
| 21:51.07 | reisio | \s is the shell name, \v is the version |
| 21:51.18 | reisio | $ is just tradition (for non-root [# for root]) |
| 21:51.23 | wewlad | nah, titlebar solutions don't suit me |
| 21:51.32 | wewlad | what if I want 'tree dir'? |
| 21:51.37 | reisio | well it's also the prompt before where you type |
| 21:51.41 | reisio | but yeah, screen's more suitable |
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| 21:52.01 | wewlad | do both screen and tmux have that? |
| 21:52.19 | reisio | regions? Yeah |
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| 21:52.30 | reisio | and there are gui workalikes like byobu |
| 21:52.40 | reisio | if you like that sort of thing... |
| 21:52.47 | wewlad | who the hell thought naming an util with something like 'screen' was a good idea? how am I supposed to google that? |
| 21:53.18 | jmcnaught | wewlad: "gnu screen" |
| 21:53.46 | dm7freek | wewlad: maybe thats why the project is essentially dead |
| 21:53.48 | wewlad | jmcnaught: thanks, this way is better |
| 21:54.09 | wewlad | dm7freek: so it's dead already? and what about tmux? |
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| 21:54.23 | wewlad | I prefer to use something alive... |
| 21:55.04 | dm7freek | wewlad: many people see tmux as a replacement for screen... it is very much alive afaik |
| 21:55.25 | dm7freek | http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/is-tmux-the-gnu-screen-killer/ |
| 21:55.28 | markybob | how is gnu screen dead? i just looked at the repository |
| 21:55.33 | markybob | updated 3 weeks ago |
| 21:55.44 | jmcnaught | screen is still alive, the version in jessie isn't even the most recent |
| 21:56.57 | reisio | it is hard to search for :/ |
| 21:56.58 | teraflops | markybob: xchat2 is pretty dead too ^ |
| 21:57.14 | wewlad | byobu has a video demo, it bought me |
| 21:57.19 | reisio | markybob: it isn't of course :) |
| 21:58.32 | wewlad | reisio: thanks for telling about byoubu |
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| 21:59.18 | reisio | that's how I'm going to spell it now |
| 22:00.56 | wewlad | I remember there was some shorter/easier way than 'dpkg -l | grep something', what was it? |
| 22:01.24 | reisio | there are so many |
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| 22:03.10 | reisio | dpkg-query --show foo |
| 22:03.40 | wewlad | eh, will never remember that, since it's not 'dpkg -query â¦' |
| 22:03.43 | wewlad | :( |
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| 22:05.05 | wewlad | is 'apt-get update' the same as 'apt update'? |
| 22:05.33 | markybob | wewlad: yes |
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| 22:07.03 | reisio | get thee to an aliasery |
| 22:07.21 | wewlad | I do alias things |
| 22:07.33 | wewlad | but I don't know how to explore system aliases |
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| 22:10.20 | wewlad | what if 1. I enable backports 2. I install something from backports 3. I disable backports 4. an update for that something comes out - will apt-get upgrade pull the update for that something installed from backports? |
| 22:10.33 | jordanm | no |
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| 22:11.31 | wewlad | that's bad; then should I worry that after enabling backports that some of my stable utils will get updated to something from backports when I apt-get upgrade? |
| 22:12.09 | markybob | no |
| 22:12.14 | markybob | that's not how backports work |
| 22:12.18 | wewlad | that's good |
| 22:12.26 | mimi89999_phone | How can I list packages installed from external repos (other than the main repo)? |
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| 22:12.47 | wewlad | I remember there was something about setting 'weights' (or priority) for repos in sources.list, but I never bothered to change them |
| 22:12.59 | LtL | wewlad: backports require a slight difference in package retrieval syntax |
| 22:13.56 | LtL | wewlad: and a sources.list mod, which you probably know |
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| 22:14.31 | wewlad | LtL: yeah, I know about the mod, but what about the difference? |
| 22:14.50 | markybob | wewlad: you have to specify -t jessie-backports with apt-get |
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| 22:15.28 | wewlad | sunova... how do I know where did I just install wine-development from? |
| 22:15.44 | loaps | Install and configuration Debian https://www.livecoding.tv/rodzynbwa/videos/VrPyW-ruby-install-and-configuration-debian-7 |
| 22:16.28 | wewlad | that page never loads |
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| 22:16.48 | loaps | which browser? |
| 22:16.52 | wewlad | firefox |
| 22:16.57 | wewlad | also, why not utoob? |
| 22:17.05 | loaps | try chrome or safari |
| 22:17.08 | wewlad | nothx |
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| 22:17.25 | loaps | ok :) |
| 22:18.13 | wewlad | that page is infected |
| 22:18.23 | loaps | what lol |
| 22:18.42 | loaps | this is just my video |
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| 22:18.44 | wewlad | I'm telling you, just take a look what it hooks up |
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| 22:18.45 | markybob | firefox wasn't even included in Pwn2Own 2016 because it was "too easy to hack" ...so there's that |
| 22:19.03 | wewlad | no :( |
| 22:19.13 | jmcnaught | wewlad: use "apt-cache policy <pacakge>" to see which version is installed, what the candidates are |
| 22:19.24 | wewlad | thx jmcnaught |
| 22:19.47 | wewlad | jmcnaught: does j stand for 'jimmy' in your nickname? |
| 22:19.53 | reisio | they're all too easy to hack |
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| 22:21.01 | teraflops | markybob: hehe |
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| 22:21.11 | wewlad | jmcnaught: I don't quite get the output https://i.imgur.com/qStBuA0.png |
| 22:21.46 | wewlad | oh, I guess I installed a version from jessie/main |
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| 22:23.57 | wewlad | I've just did 'apt-get remove wine-development', now I tried to install it from backports and I end up with an error saying that some packages have unmet dependencies and that debian was unable to correct problems and I have held broken packages |
| 22:24.09 | wewlad | whatdoido.jpg |
| 22:24.34 | polyphagia | which packages wewlad |
| 22:24.47 | polyphagia | what's apt-get install -f's solution? |
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| 22:25.55 | wewlad | polyphagia: libglib2.0-0:i386 (>= 2.12.0), libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0:i386 (>= 1.0.0), libgstreamer1.0-0:i386 (>= 1.4.0) + it recommends fonts-wine:i386 |
| 22:26.18 | wewlad | but there's no fonts-wine-development/jessie-backports :( |
| 22:27.10 | wewlad | polyphagia: http://paste.debian.net/440554/ |
| 22:27.24 | wewlad | should I autoremove them? |
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| 22:27.45 | jmcnaught | wewlad: which part don't you understand? The Candidate version is the one that would be installed by default. The version table shows the versions available |
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| 22:28.47 | wewlad | jmcnaught: thx, got it after all |
| 22:30.51 | wewlad | man for apt-get is unreadable |
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| 22:31.56 | LtL | wewlad: man apt then |
| 22:34.14 | wewlad | apt -f: command line option 'f' [from -f] is not known. |
| 22:34.14 | apt | wewlad: what are you talking about? |
| 22:34.42 | wewlad | apt: sir, could you fix dependencies for me? |
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| 22:36.06 | jmcnaught | wewlad: apt is a bot |
| 22:36.36 | cybearg | Just installed Debian (first time user). I want the computer to be a headless Linux client with a static IP. I've correctly specified /etc/network/interfaces, but upon reboot, the computer still gets assigned a dynamic IP. If I run "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" THEN I get the correct static IP, but adding the line into /etc/rc.local . If I call rc.local, it works just fine. Permissions are correct. What's wrong? PB: http:// |
| 22:37.16 | wewlad | jmcnaught: I know, it's just everyone else keeps silent and I don't know how to pass by the error about unmet dependencies, the '-f' option didn't clear anything out for me |
| 22:37.36 | cybearg | ... "after adding the line into /etc/rc.local, rc.local must not get run on boot" |
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| 22:38.36 | LtL | wewlad: apt-get -f install can sometimes fix broken dependancies |
| 22:38.51 | RoyK | - The best way to get an answer on the Internet is not to as a question, but deliberately post an incorrect answer. People are quicker to correct you than to answer an inquiry. It's called Godwin's law. |
| 22:39.27 | jmcnaught | wewlad: did you make a paste with the command used and the complete output? |
| 22:40.15 | RoyK | cybearg: did you install it with a GUI? |
| 22:40.24 | cmtptr | RoyK, you almost got me with that |
| 22:40.35 | wewlad | jmcnaught: https://paste.kde.org/pywnkgz3r |
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| 22:40.43 | cybearg | RoyK: Yes, but I've since set it to boot to console. |
| 22:41.07 | RoyK | perhaps networkmanager is messing things up |
| 22:41.27 | cybearg | RoyK: NetworkManager is not installed. |
| 22:41.45 | RoyK | pastebin /etc/network/interfaces, please |
| 22:41.59 | cybearg | RoyK: http://pastebin.com/s14fivez |
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| 22:42.52 | RoyK | only wireless? |
| 22:43.27 | cybearg | RoyK: Yes. I commented out the eth0 in case it was interfering somehow (throwing everything at the wall to hope something stuck) |
| 22:43.33 | teraflops | cybearg: do you use any encryption with the wireless interface? |
| 22:43.40 | cybearg | teraflops: No |
| 22:43.42 | teraflops | ah |
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| 22:44.12 | RoyK | cybearg: where did you set SSID etc? |
| 22:44.35 | teraflops | cybearg: try adding allow-hotplug wlan0 |
| 22:45.01 | cybearg | RoyK: I did that in the GUI before switching to boot to console. |
| 22:45.20 | cybearg | teraflops: I have tried that in the past and I didn't see it make a difference, but I will try again. |
| 22:45.25 | teraflops | cybearg: wat |
| 22:45.29 | RoyK | teraflops: really, auto is better |
| 22:45.56 | teraflops | RoyK: you can use both at the same time |
| 22:46.18 | teraflops | cybearg: I smell you are still using networkmanager |
| 22:46.30 | RoyK | really shouldn't matter |
| 22:46.31 | cybearg | teraflops: Is there a way to confirm it's running? |
| 22:46.36 | teraflops | yes |
| 22:46.38 | wewlad | help |
| 22:46.41 | RoyK | cybearg: dpkg -l | grep -i network.*man |
| 22:46.56 | teraflops | nope |
| 22:47.02 | teraflops | systemctl status |
| 22:48.10 | teraflops | it has tab completion |
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| 22:49.02 | jmcnaught | wewlad: use "apt-get -t jessie-backports wine-development", the way you're doing it only selects the backports versions for those two specific packages, not the dependencies they need from backports |
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| 22:49.20 | cybearg | teraflops: systemctl status gives me "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -l" |
| 22:49.34 | cybearg | RoyK: Your command got me several listings, so maybe it is installed and I didn't realize it. |
| 22:49.46 | teraflops | cybearg: ^ I dont have a debian machine at hand running NM, so `systemctl status NetworkManager` |
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| 22:50.08 | cybearg | teraflops: Same result |
| 22:50.13 | teraflops | idk if it's _NetworkManager_ |
| 22:50.33 | cybearg | I'm new, so I don't know, either. |
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| 22:51.03 | wewlad | jmcnaught: thanks! it worked |
| 22:51.04 | teraflops | cybearg: well it's impossible youre connected to your wireless ap with that interfaces file |
| 22:51.17 | teraflops | since it does not especify any ap to associate with |
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| 22:51.42 | RoyK | systemctl | grep -i net.*man |
| 22:51.43 | teraflops | so my guess is that youre running other daemon for managing the network |
| 22:51.46 | RoyK | should work |
| 22:52.51 | RoyK | cybearg: don't install gui things on a server - it just messes things up |
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| 22:53.37 | cybearg | RoyK: I get an error running that command: "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1" |
| 22:54.02 | cybearg | I'm still very new to Linux, so the GUI was more as a back-up in case I found the console too frustrating to rely entirely on. |
| 22:54.08 | RoyK | then something is messed up badly |
| 22:54.22 | RoyK | is this x86/x64? |
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| 22:54.40 | markybob | cybearg: you could just use nmtui since your interfaces is fucked anyway |
| 22:54.53 | cybearg | RoyK: Yes. I have an old Intel Core2 Duo Dell that I hesitated to throw out, thinking it could be a low-power Plex media server. |
| 22:55.15 | teraflops | cybearg: is that jessie? also ps xa | grep -i network |
| 22:55.51 | cybearg | teraflops: I got the latest version of jessie yesterday, yes. lxde |
| 22:55.56 | RoyK | teraflops: it's probably jessie if systemd is involved :P |
| 22:56.17 | RoyK | cybearg: lxcd on a server? |
| 22:56.26 | cybearg | teraflop: I got 2820 pts/2 S+ 0:00 grep -i network |
| 22:56.35 | cybearg | RoyK: Don't assume I know what I'm doing. :) |
| 22:57.14 | RoyK | cybearg: if you don't have anything there, just reinstall without any desktop things, just ssh and base stuff |
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| 22:57.34 | RoyK | cybearg: start from scratch - less hassle |
| 22:57.55 | jmcnaught | cybearg: i looked at your interfaces paste, is it also not indented on your system? |
| 22:58.16 | RoyK | the wifi setup will be a bit harder, editing config files etc, but you'll learn |
| 22:58.18 | cybearg | RoyK: Alright, I'll give that a try. |
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| 22:58.29 | cybearg | jmcnaught: No indentation. I didn't know it made a difference. |
| 22:58.30 | teraflops | cybearg: reinstalling why? |
| 22:58.36 | jmcnaught | cybearg: instead of reinstalling you could look at https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration for how to set up your interfaces, there's also https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 22:58.48 | cybearg | teraflops: I guess to clear out whatever thing I did wrong? |
| 22:59.09 | RoyK | jmcnaught: really, he should reinstall the box as a server - it's setup as a workstation now |
| 22:59.11 | teraflops | cybearg: just systemctl stop net^tab as root |
| 22:59.14 | jmcnaught | cybearg: if networkmanager was involved, it won't interfere with interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces by default on jessie (unless you changed that) |
| 22:59.22 | teraflops | or Net^ |
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| 22:59.39 | RoyK | jmcnaught: he'll learn more by reinstalling it as a server |
| 22:59.47 | cybearg | jmcnaught: I'm pretty sure I already followed those instructions. |
| 23:00.04 | jmcnaught | RoyK: *shrug* he could also just remove the GUI related packages |
| 23:00.10 | teraflops | RoyK: please stop with the reinstall thingy. |
| 23:00.17 | cybearg | teraflops: Same error about failing to get D-Bus connection |
| 23:00.18 | RoyK | nah |
| 23:00.20 | jmcnaught | cybearg: take another look then, pay attention to how things are indented |
| 23:00.46 | teraflops | cybearg: where are you? tty? xorg? |
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| 23:01.04 | RoyK | teraflops: the thing is, if you're new to linux, and you make a mess, it's easier to learn things by starting from scrach |
| 23:01.09 | cybearg | jmcnaught: I got a couple Raspberry Pis, and neither of them use indentation in their /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:01.25 | cybearg | jmcnaught: That's running Raspbian, by the way. |
| 23:01.28 | RoyK | teraflops: debugging shite you don't know will take hours and may make you beleive linux sucks |
| 23:01.39 | cybearg | teraflops: I don't understand that question, sorry |
| 23:01.44 | jmcnaught | cybearg: is this device running raspbian? if so you're in the wrong channel |
| 23:01.49 | RoyK | cybearg: indentation doesn't matter |
| 23:01.56 | cybearg | jmcnaught: No it's not, but they're both Debian, no? |
| 23:02.04 | teraflops | cybearg: raspbian? this is for debian ;) |
| 23:02.04 | RoyK | it just makes it look neat |
| 23:02.29 | cybearg | teraflops: I know. I'm just pointing out that I don't see why indentation would matter in one fork of Debian but not another. |
| 23:02.38 | RoyK | teraflops: indentation in the interfaces file doesn't matter in debian either - raspbian is just a debian fork |
| 23:03.15 | teraflops | cybearg: I have several arm thingies running real debian, i never get dbus nonsense doing systemctl in tty or vt |
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| 23:03.38 | teraflops | hey I said nothing about indentation :P |
| 23:03.41 | teraflops | lel |
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| 23:05.19 | jmcnaught | ahhh.. i see stanzas don't have to be indented |
| 23:05.28 | RoyK | cybearg: btw, there's a jessie fork for the pi |
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| 23:05.49 | RoyK | I'm using that on a number of units |
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| 23:06.05 | cybearg | RoyK: Yeah, I know. I'll be installing that on my Pis soon. One's got something odd going on with its networking, too. |
| 23:06.22 | cybearg | Thanks for the input, everyone. For now, I'll just go with a clean reinstall and start from scratch. |
| 23:06.35 | markybob | the main issue is what the fuck is wrong with your systemctl...i've never seen that before |
| 23:06.55 | cybearg | markybob: I couldn't speculate. |
| 23:07.50 | cybearg | It's an unfortunate waste of 8 hours or so trying to get it to work so far, though. |
| 23:09.17 | devster31 | so I have USERGROUPS enabled in login defs, the default umask is 022 which gets relaxed to 002, however when I sudo -i the umask for root is still 022, why is that? |
| 23:09.20 | devster31 | I also added the relevant session optional pam_umask.so line to the /etc/pam.d/common-session |
| 23:09.25 | RoyK | cybearg: and smartguys like teraflops will help you solve your problem in only 16 more hours >:) |
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| 23:10.09 | teraflops | RoyK: nah it's about that it can be a respbian thing we are not aware of |
| 23:10.37 | cybearg | teraflops: It's not a Raspbian thing. I'm installing Debian on this old Dell. |
| 23:10.38 | RoyK | teraflops: no, it's not |
| 23:10.50 | teraflops | ah :S |
| 23:11.19 | cybearg | teraflops: But my only prior experience was with Raspbian, which is what inclined me toward using Debian. Sorry for the confusion. |
| 23:11.21 | teraflops | cybearg: sorry then i totally misunderstood |
| 23:12.07 | teraflops | cybearg: so, from where are you runing systemctl tty (no Xorg) or from the desktop environment via terminal? |
| 23:12.51 | cybearg | teraflops: I was running it via an SSH connection. I'm not sure where that would fall. |
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| 23:12.55 | RoyK | teraflops: if you setup a system with desktop things, a lot is handled differently |
| 23:13.09 | teraflops | cybearg: and _how_ sis you set the computer to _headless mode_ |
| 23:13.16 | teraflops | RoyK: not really |
| 23:13.17 | RoyK | cybearg: just start from scratch - it's not hard |
| 23:13.18 | jmcnaught | cybearg: do you have libpam-systemd installed? |
| 23:13.25 | teraflops | did* |
| 23:13.28 | cybearg | RoyK: I'm already working on it |
| 23:13.45 | cybearg | jmcnaught: I'll get back to you on that kind of stuff. I'm reinstalling for now. |
| 23:14.05 | tytan | hello, everyone. when will kde plasma 5 be avaolable for debian users? |
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| 23:14.14 | RoyK | teraflops: as I said, if you start out with linux with little knowledge, and you have to work your way back to fix things, it just make things harder |
| 23:14.16 | jmcnaught | cybearg: fair enough. i reinstalled a few times when i got started too, but there's also value in learning how to solve problems without having to reinstall |
| 23:14.19 | cybearg | teraflops: Nothing to set up, really. I just use PuTTY to connect via SSH. It just worked, as long as the IP doesn't change on me. |
| 23:14.37 | teraflops | cybearg: so " cybearg ⸠RoyK: I did that in the GUI before switching to boot to console. " |
| 23:14.53 | teraflops | you did nothing right? |
| 23:15.04 | cybearg | cybearg: Yes, I did a some stuff directly, but that command you mentioned I ran via SSH. |
| 23:15.19 | jmcnaught | tytan: in the next release. new stuff doesn't generally gets added to a Debian Stable release, "stable" means "no surprises" in this context |
| 23:15.43 | cybearg | teraflops: Oh, I see what you mean now. I thought you were asking how I set up SSH. |
| 23:15.45 | tytan | jmcnaught: ok, thank you very much |
| 23:15.52 | RoyK | https://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 23:15.58 | markybob | tytan: freeze is 2017-02-05 to give you an idea |
| 23:16.15 | tytan | markybob: oh, damn |
| 23:16.18 | teraflops | cybearg: in other words for the sake of clarity, how did you set the computer to _boot to console_ |
| 23:16.22 | teraflops | cybearg: heh |
| 23:16.57 | teraflops | RoyK: heh |
| 23:16.58 | cybearg | teraflops: I don't recall exactly, but it involved modifying the Grub config and that was about it. |
| 23:17.04 | jmcnaught | tytan: it's great because your computer keeps working the same say every day so you can do stuff besides fix/tweak your computer |
| 23:17.39 | tytan | I agree on that |
| 23:17.43 | teraflops | cybearg: grub? why? |
| 23:18.00 | cybearg | teraflops: Because that's what Google said to do. |
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| 23:18.13 | teraflops | cybearg: im stunned |
| 23:18.45 | tytan | have a good night everyone |
| 23:18.50 | teraflops | tytan: gn |
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| 23:18.57 | cybearg | gn |
| 23:19.00 | jmcnaught | cybearg: you should consider learning Debian with these resources: https://www.debian.org/doc/ rather than following random tutorials online. Many tutorials are crap |
| 23:19.12 | teraflops | jmcnaught: amen |
| 23:19.44 | teraflops | cybearg: at this point (the grub affaire) im not sure if I can help |
| 23:20.24 | cybearg | teraflops: I'm reinstalling, anyway, so don't worry about it for now. |
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| 23:20.33 | teraflops | cybearg: can you un-do whatever you did and boot to the graphical target again, i believe is related to your issue |
| 23:20.44 | bipul | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.59 | teraflops | cybearg: if you want a headless server go eith the netinstall and install barebones |
| 23:21.09 | teraflops | with* |
| 23:21.58 | teraflops | just base system no DE at all |
| 23:22.06 | cybearg | teraflops: I was just going to install Debian standard via USB. |
| 23:22.24 | jmcnaught | bipul: seems like it's complaining about tabs vs spaces in line 3 of that file. |
| 23:22.47 | teraflops | ok, also if you do not want to boot to desktop environmemt just disable the DM ... |
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| 23:23.38 | teraflops | cybearg: do not mess with grub random params to boot to a nightmare |
| 23:23.51 | cybearg | teraflops: I'll keep that in mind for the future |
| 23:23.53 | markybob | without systemctl working that might be a problem. maybe update-rc.d -f would work |
| 23:24.50 | teraflops | cybearg: anyway if you want to do some research just edit /etc/default/grub delete what you added an update-grub I suppose |
| 23:25.42 | bipul | jmcnaught, yes,do you know how to make correction? I have google it out and found this :%s/^[ ]\+/^I/ source http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/125757/error-while-executing-make-commad-in-ubuntu-terminal |
| 23:26.13 | jmcnaught | bipul: maybe if you showed the file you're having a problem with |
| 23:27.30 | maroloccio | does anybody have a stretch box on which to run an extremely simple test? (i know.. /topic) just 2 lines of bash |
| 23:27.39 | awwal | Running xfce&openbox. Touchpad scrolling is done with two fingers here. I dont know if it's the default in debian too or it's my own configuration I done under gnome settings time ago (I remember I have chosen the option "scroll with two fingers" for touchpad) and that configuration still saved somewhere even if gnome is completly removed. All fine but I want to reduce the sensibility of the touchpad when scrolling with two fingers. Any suggestion? |
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| 23:39.12 | bipul | jmcnaught, sure |
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| 23:39.31 | jmcnaught | awwal: have you looked at https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad ? |
| 23:40.15 | awwal | my synclient settings http://paste.debian.net/440560 |
| 23:40.38 | awwal | jmcnaught, sure, but dont know what to change in that synclient settings |
| 23:40.54 | bipul | jmcnaught, http://paste.debian.net/440561/ |
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| 23:41.41 | jmcnaught | awwal: i always disable my touchpad :) but have you tried configuring it in a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ? |
| 23:42.30 | awwal | jmcnaught, havent tried to do something via that file |
| 23:42.51 | awwal | I have my touchpad disabled, but strangely scrolling still working |
| 23:43.06 | jml2 | can use ~/.xsessionrc |
| 23:43.44 | jmcnaught | awwal: i think scrolling and pointing are configured separately, but again i'm not the most familiar |
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| 23:44.51 | awwal | jmcnaught, seems logical yeah (scrolling/pointing configured separately) |
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| 23:45.03 | jmcnaught | bipul: was the file like that when you got the error? it seems like you're consistently using tabs now. are you following the new maintainer's guide? |
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| 23:46.59 | teraflops | awwal: mine with tapping and 2 finger scrolling enabled. do not paste it blindly to your config. look at it and create your own one. http://ix.io/xs2 |
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| 23:48.07 | teraflops | ^/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf |
| 23:48.10 | bipul | jmcnaught, I am using this https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging |
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| 23:48.50 | awwal | teraflops, ok, i'll look at it that file thanks! |
| 23:48.54 | teraflops | np |
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| 23:49.28 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell bipul about nmg |
| 23:49.56 | jmcnaught | bipul: dpkg bot just sent you a link to another guide that is quite good, i'm part-way through it myself |
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| 23:50.58 | bipul | sure thank you |
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| 23:55.42 | johnfg | Is there a way to clean up /var/spool? That's where the greatest usage is. |
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| 23:57.28 | doebi | how to effectively fix such issue? "./app: error while loading shared libraries: libfoo.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 23:58.48 | teraflops | LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/libfoo.so.1 /app ? |
| 23:58.59 | teraflops | ./app^ |
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