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| 00:13.40 | nadu | hi |
| 00:13.58 | nadu | how can I get a list about all installed packages from contrib and non-free? |
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| 00:15.36 | zykotick9 | suggest vrms and runs away... |
| 00:15.45 | zykotick9 | ^ horrible program |
| 00:15.47 | gry | synaptic shows it or you would like in command line? |
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| 00:16.45 | nadu | in command line |
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| 00:17.16 | nadu | vrms tells me, that there is no non-free software :) |
| 00:17.23 | nadu | how can I check contrib? |
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| 00:18.03 | nadu | it's a server. for what I've seen there shouldn't be any contrib or non-free software installed |
| 00:18.24 | nadu | but I want to be sure and disable both components from sources.list |
| 00:18.55 | markybob | nadu: dpkg-query -W -f='${Section}\t${Package}\n' | grep ^non-free |
| 00:19.03 | markybob | nadu: then change to contrib |
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| 00:19.34 | zykotick9 | markybob: what would show main in the above command? |
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| 00:19.49 | nadu | yeah, that would be my question as well |
| 00:20.03 | nadu | will Section show contrib and non-free? |
| 00:21.17 | zykotick9 | markybob: ya, i don't think that "dpkg-query -W -f='${Section}\t${Package}\n'" actually shows which repo is being used |
| 00:21.51 | zykotick9 | ^ unless contrib and non-free are? i can't test that... |
| 00:22.11 | markybob | zykotick9: main just doesn't show as non-free or contrib so you grep -v those |
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| 00:22.21 | zykotick9 | ahhh... |
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| 00:24.32 | nadu | ok |
| 00:24.33 | zykotick9 | nadu: <sidenote> vrms does list both contrib & non-free <- that's ALL it does actually, you could still have LOTS of manually installed non-free software on a system vrms says "rms would be proud" |
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| 00:24.54 | nadu | thanks. it seems like there hasn't been installed anything from contrib and non-free |
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| 00:25.51 | nadu | zykotick9: but vmrs doesn't show software from non debian repos, does it? |
| 00:26.21 | zykotick9 | nadu: not at all! just looks for anything installed from contrib/non-free and lists them. that's it. |
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| 00:26.58 | nadu | zykotick9: merci. good to know :) |
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| 01:22.00 | digidog | back again |
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| 01:28.03 | digidog | is there a known bug that fstab ignores noauto option for removable media atm? strange enough, since last Debian update my usb devices get mounted on start up even with fstab entry and noauto option set now. |
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| 01:50.40 | digidog | hm, does anyone know if broadcom BCM20702A1 bluetooth drivers are provided in any driver package ? searching for it in Debian packages gave no success |
| 01:51.42 | digidog | I only see BCM4xxxx |
| 01:52.37 | digidog | and 203x in bluez-firmware, but sadly no 207x |
| 01:53.22 | abrotman | which version of Debian? |
| 01:55.46 | digidog | abrotman: Debian 8 |
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| 02:00.27 | Iceman | Have anyone have problems of using PAGE Python on Debian? |
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| 02:04.00 | digidog | needs to restart again |
| 02:07.13 | Iceman | I have problems installing 'PAGE Tkinter Python' on My Debian 8 Jessie |
| 02:08.13 | Iceman | I had searched in the google but there is no answer of my problems... |
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| 02:11.51 | jmcnaught | Iceman: how are you trying to install it? can you provide more details, perhaps a transcript of your attempt in a pastebin? |
| 02:12.11 | Iceman | I have the transcript |
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| 02:12.20 | Iceman | but I don't know how to show here |
| 02:12.37 | jmcnaught | Iceman: http://paste.debian.net/ is the preferred paste site here |
| 02:13.51 | Iceman | You can look at http://page.sourceforge.net/ , I had succeed installed it. But the problems happened when I try to save a project and to close the programs.. It cannot be done |
| 02:15.34 | jmcnaught | Iceman: oh. well since PAGE doesn't seem to be part of Debian this isn't the best place to ask. You could try #python or look for a mailing list or forum on the PAGE website. |
| 02:15.48 | Iceman | I had asked to PAGE owner but he said that it s not from PAGE Problems, but more like Debian |
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| 02:16.44 | Iceman | He said that the problems is about the TCL/Tk that dEBIAN use is not the latest once |
| 02:16.51 | Iceman | is that true?? |
| 02:17.35 | Iceman | Sorry My english is bad |
| 02:17.47 | jmcnaught | Iceman: maybe. Debian Stable releases generally freeze all the versions (the freeze happened late 2014 for Debian 8 aka Jessie), and the versions remain the same for the entire life of that release |
| 02:18.13 | jmcnaught | this is what "stable" means in Debian, things don't change, it's a stable platform |
| 02:19.48 | Iceman | ouu.. |
| 02:20.03 | Iceman | So can I make a change of the "stable Version"? |
| 02:20.40 | Iceman | What is the TCL/Tk version that Debian used anyway?? |
| 02:21.49 | jmcnaught | Iceman: check versions of packages with the command "apt-cache policy". "apt-cache policy tcl" tells me 8.6.0 |
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| 02:22.41 | Iceman | Is there another version of TCL/Tk outside there? I mean , how to installed the latest one?? |
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| 02:25.06 | jmcnaught | Iceman: http://page.sourceforge.net/#Installation says it needs tcl/tk 8.5.4 or later. Generally you stick with the versions provided by a Debian Stable release. You can look for backported versions at http://backports.debian.org/ but I don't think the tcl/tk version is your problem here |
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| 02:25.09 | madprops | hi |
| 02:25.25 | madprops | how easy is it to install debian on uefi? |
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| 02:26.49 | jmcnaught | madprops: it's pretty easy. if the install boots in uefi mode it will install grub-efi. make sure you use an installer image, live images don't support uefi |
| 02:27.15 | madprops | i see thanks |
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| 02:28.56 | digidog | jesus, from smoke to smother: No Caching mode page found (harddisk on usb) but I really would liek to cache .... o.@ |
| 02:29.25 | digidog | ... Assuming drive cache: write through |
| 02:29.29 | digidog | no, no, no |
| 02:29.34 | digidog | *facepalm* |
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| 02:30.01 | digidog | strange enough, the drive is added to fstab with async |
| 02:30.14 | digidog | but I assume the usb connection makes it tricky |
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| 02:31.30 | digidog | does this has to do with the usb plug station chipset maybe ? |
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| 02:31.40 | Iceman | I know that, but the author of PAGE said that.. |
| 02:31.48 | n1cky | anyone around here use knoppix? |
| 02:32.06 | Iceman | @nicky.. yeap, but not anymore |
| 02:32.16 | n1cky | I'm trying to figure out what's inside their flash-knoppix script |
| 02:32.26 | jmcnaught | Iceman: maybe the author of PAGE doesn't know much about Debian? You could try installing it in a virtualenv |
| 02:32.42 | jmcnaught | !knoppix |
| 02:32.42 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.org/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems. |
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| 02:33.06 | jmcnaught | n1cky: please use the #knoppix channel |
| 02:33.10 | Iceman | I don't know how to install it |
| 02:33.13 | n1cky | jmcnaught: understood, thanks. |
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| 02:34.14 | Iceman | I knew that virtual env is a place to works and to tried package ,without any worried that could be happened in our main system |
| 02:34.35 | n1cky | does the debian livecd use the generic debian kernel? |
| 02:34.44 | Iceman | but I just don't get it how to put all the things into that folder.. |
| 02:35.04 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 02:35.04 | dpkg | A "live CD" (or live system) is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://live.debian.net/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 02:35.19 | n1cky | !debian live |
| 02:35.19 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 02:35.35 | jmcnaught | n1cky: the topic has examples of how to message the bot privately |
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| 02:36.29 | Iceman | @Nicky you don't need to installed Knoppix inside your system,instead you can put free space to your Knoppix USB Stick to save your data |
| 02:37.08 | Iceman | I have tried Knoppix, it s really nice and work very well in old computer |
| 02:37.14 | jmcnaught | n1cky: there's a virtualenvwrapper tool that makes using python virtualenvs pretty easy and convenient. with it installed you can "mkvirtualenv food" and "workon foo" |
| 02:37.44 | n1cky | jmcnaught: you're confusing people |
| 02:37.54 | jmcnaught | Iceman: it's nice of you to help but we just explained that Knoppix is off-topic here |
| 02:37.57 | Iceman | jmcnaught :: who do you speaks with?? |
| 02:38.09 | Iceman | okay.. I am sorry |
| 02:38.20 | Iceman | I don't mean to anything |
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| 02:38.26 | jmcnaught | ahh n1cky sorry the virtualenv message was for Iceman |
| 02:38.35 | Iceman | hahaha jmcnaught |
| 02:39.14 | Iceman | okay . I ll try the virtualenv |
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| 02:39.48 | Iceman | Ian B is the author , If I don't mistake?? he is now a javascript programmer |
| 02:40.20 | jmcnaught | Iceman: anyways check out virtualenvwrapper, make sure to read /usr/share/doc/virtualenvwrapper/README.Debian. Not using PAGE is another option, maybe you'll find a sensible alternative available in Debian |
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| 02:40.47 | Iceman | Do I need to installed anything else to run virtualenv in my Debian 8? |
| 02:41.36 | Iceman | Yes, of course I have alternative . I use wxPython & wxGlade, they work perfect in Debian 8 |
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| 02:43.47 | jmcnaught | Iceman: python-virtualenv but virtualenvwrapper depends on it. |
| 02:44.35 | Iceman | I need PAGE to make my works of making problems is easier and faster |
| 02:44.47 | Iceman | *making programs/apps |
| 02:45.04 | jmcnaught | Iceman: my advice is use alternatives in Debian since they're probably better |
| 02:45.30 | Iceman | But Tkinter is the faster tools to make a simple Apps |
| 02:46.02 | jmcnaught | Iceman: Tkinter is part of the Python standard library I thought |
| 02:46.36 | Iceman | that is why I still need it,I had tried Linux Mint before Debian. It works perfect |
| 02:47.15 | Iceman | PAGE is a nice toolkit GUI Builder that used Tkinter Lang |
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| 02:47.56 | Iceman | I know I can use script language to make GUI builder with Tkinter, but I will spend a lot of time making it |
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| 02:48.33 | jmcnaught | Iceman: i think your options at this point are 1) make a paste of errors you are getting, provide details about what you've tried, the way things don't work, actual error messages and/or 2) go back to the PAGE developer and tell him you've confirmed you have Tcl/Tk 8.6.0 |
| 02:49.34 | Iceman | I had done your latest point, and The PAGE developer is having confused how to fix it.. |
| 02:49.51 | Iceman | until now I still sent the report bug to him |
| 02:50.08 | Iceman | And he said the problems is around the TCL/Tk |
| 02:50.14 | jmcnaught | Iceman: maybe you're not providing him enough details either |
| 02:50.36 | Iceman | I had follow everything he needs and suggest |
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| 02:51.03 | Iceman | Anyway, how do I make a report bugs in debian? |
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| 02:52.41 | jmcnaught | Iceman: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting describes how to report bugs for software available in Debian, if PAGE is not in Debian you could provide details here, like an actual error message. |
| 02:53.22 | Iceman | I think I need an information from both sides (Debian and PAGE), so I can get a clear informations |
| 02:55.01 | Iceman | Can I send an image here? |
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| 02:55.07 | Iceman | to make thing clear |
| 02:55.36 | jmcnaught | Iceman: sure |
| 02:56.47 | Iceman | How to do it? |
| 02:56.55 | Iceman | I rarely used chat rooms |
| 02:57.16 | Iceman | or Can I chat you with private? |
| 02:57.29 | Iceman | can I chat you privately? |
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| 02:57.39 | jmcnaught | Iceman: oh, you could put it on http://picpaste.com/ |
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| 02:58.03 | jmcnaught | or http://imgur.com/ or if it's text just use http://paste.debian.net |
| 03:00.28 | Iceman | I had sent both |
| 03:00.40 | Iceman | I had sent to both |
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| 03:01.46 | jmcnaught | Iceman: you'll need to provide the URL for your image here if you want us to be able to see it |
| 03:02.09 | Iceman | http://paste.debian.net/441636/ |
| 03:02.23 | Iceman | Is it right? |
| 03:03.03 | Iceman | I don't often use chat to solve computer problems..ahahah |
| 03:03.13 | Iceman | I usually search in google |
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| 03:06.15 | Iceman | please let me know jmcnaught by sending private messages |
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| 03:06.40 | jmcnaught | Iceman: doing support in the channel is preferred so others can help too |
| 03:07.35 | jmcnaught | Iceman: unforunately I am not familiar with this software. The message on line one of your paste seems to mean that a function is being called with the wrong arguments. |
| 03:11.01 | jmcnaught | Iceman: it also looks like the message starts before line 1 from your paste |
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| 03:13.19 | jmcnaught | Iceman: anyways, if the upstream author of PAGE can't make their software work in Debian, investing your time in software that's actually in Debian is probably best. Maybe look at eric and qtdesigner, or using PyGTK and Glade |
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| 03:15.40 | jmcnaught | or just leave without saying goodbye and let me type into the ether |
| 03:16.01 | esainane | :/ |
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| 03:47.00 | STMelon | o/ |
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| 03:49.29 | luxio | I'm trying to install steam and this message pops up: http://i.imgur.com/RuHuOcZ.png |
| 03:49.40 | luxio | It's asking me to login to install a package, but I'm not a sudoer |
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| 03:54.43 | luxio | I'm also pretty sure I already have those dependencies |
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| 03:56.49 | markybob | luxio: why don't you install steam via apt-get install steam? |
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| 03:57.09 | markybob | luxio: do that as root |
| 03:57.25 | luxio | Yeah I just did that |
| 03:57.27 | luxio | still same error |
| 03:57.49 | markybob | luxio: pastebin the apt-get output |
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| 03:58.23 | luxio | http://paste.debian.net/441651/ |
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| 03:58.41 | veek | how do you start exim4 on debian systemctl doesn't list it |
| 03:58.55 | luxio | when I first installed: http://paste.debian.net/441652/ |
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| 03:59.10 | veek | it's installed by default on debian and i turned it off |
| 04:00.21 | luxio | markybob, |
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| 04:05.27 | jmcnaught | luxio: seems like you're using a steam repo to install it. Why not use the steam package in Debian non-free? There are instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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| 04:06.35 | luxio | jmcnaught: Oh I see a problem |
| 04:06.47 | luxio | When I do "sudo", it asks for my password, but I'm not a sudoer |
| 04:07.27 | jmcnaught | luxio: you can add yourself to the sudo group with "adduser username sudo" and then log out, log back in |
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| 04:08.12 | jmcnaught | luxio: if you're not using the steam package provided by Debian, you should definitely get support from the people who run repo.steampowered.com |
| 04:08.24 | STMelon | he logged off.. |
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| 04:08.57 | jmcnaught | STMelon: thanks |
| 04:09.08 | STMelon | .:jmcnaught:. luxio: if you're not using the steam package provided by Debian, you should definitely get support from the people who run repo.steampowered.com |
| 04:09.08 | luxio | jmcnaught: Doesn't that just make me a root user pretty much? |
| 04:09.28 | luxio | I got it working |
| 04:09.36 | luxio | Steam, that is |
| 04:09.38 | jmcnaught | luxio: you only have root powers when you use sudo |
| 04:09.48 | luxio | jmcnaught: Yeah and that requires my password |
| 04:09.55 | luxio | so if you have my password you essentially have root |
| 04:10.01 | luxio | that seems like bad design |
| 04:10.13 | STMelon | you can set users in sudo to not have root, but have access to sudo |
| 04:10.15 | jmcnaught | luxio: that's how sudo works. don't share your password. |
| 04:10.16 | STMelon | su is beter |
| 04:10.26 | STMelon | better* |
| 04:10.27 | luxio | STMelon: that's what I was using |
| 04:10.59 | STMelon | jmcnaught is helping you more i can |
| 04:11.32 | jmcnaught | luxio: the steam package in Debian doesn't seem to require sudo, but you added a third-party repo instead |
| 04:11.43 | luxio | is that bad? |
| 04:12.35 | jmcnaught | luxio: generally you should add third party repos for stuff already in debian as they can cause complications during upgrades |
| 04:12.38 | STMelon | more than i can* sorry typo |
| 04:12.43 | jmcnaught | sorry should not add ... |
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| 04:12.58 | luxio | I used 3 methods to install: |
| 04:12.59 | luxio | 1. apt-get |
| 04:13.02 | luxio | 2. aptitude |
| 04:13.11 | luxio | 3. downloaded the .deb and used dpkg -i steam* |
| 04:13.31 | STMelon | isnt steam OS still beta? |
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| 04:14.25 | jmcnaught | about as much as i know about steam is that jessie has a package for it in non-free, so adding a repo.steampowered.com to sources.list or downloading .debs to install with dpkg should be unnecessary |
| 04:14.58 | somiaj | note the jessie package is just the 'steam installer', but that is enough to then isntall steam into $HOME by the user that runs steam. |
| 04:15.15 | somiaj | and it works well, it will downlaod the latest version of steam during the install |
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| 04:20.22 | luxio | now I have a new error |
| 04:20.27 | luxio | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2233005 |
| 04:20.31 | luxio | none of the solutions there worked |
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| 04:21.33 | jmcnaught | luxio: make a paste of your command and output, linking to some random forum thread isn't very helpful |
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| 04:22.16 | STMelon | prolly best to get help feo ubuntu or steam os.. sorry.. no offence.. this is debian |
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| 04:24.20 | luxio | hold on, rebooting |
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| 04:26.45 | luxio | I think I broke my install |
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| 04:27.21 | luxio | I'm on windows right now |
| 04:27.28 | luxio | hold on, brb |
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| 04:29.33 | luxio | yeah, I broke my install |
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| 04:30.35 | jmcnaught | luxio: the friendly people here might be able to help you if you provide details and pastes |
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| 04:30.50 | luxio | jmcnaught: I can't paste because I can't get into debian |
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| 04:31.14 | luxio | I ran some command, rebooted, now it's saying it can't identify the filesystem of /dev/sda |
| 04:31.20 | luxio | it was apt-get nvidia-glx-something |
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| 04:32.24 | luxio | found it. I ran "sudo apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386" |
| 04:32.32 | luxio | now my system won't boot into debian |
| 04:34.16 | jmcnaught | luxio: try the recovery mode option under advanced in the grub boot menu |
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| 04:35.03 | luxio | jmcnaught: As much as I'd like to fix this problem and get back to using debian |
| 04:35.13 | luxio | I don't think debian is the best for me |
| 04:36.02 | luxio | Clearly I'm having trouble with even the basics |
| 04:36.26 | STMelon | dont give up... |
| 04:36.41 | STMelon | jmcnaught, will help you |
| 04:36.52 | jmcnaught | heh... maybe :P |
| 04:37.57 | jmcnaught | luxio: if you can boot into recovery mode it can probably be fixed. or you can at least back stuff up before you reinstall or install something else. Next time try the Debian packages for stuff first and use third party sources and debs as a last resort |
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| 05:32.44 | ljhade24 | Hi, is there linux application that can open erwin file? |
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| 05:39.36 | pharpend | ljhade24: I don't know what that is |
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| 05:40.51 | pharpend | ljhade24: Looked it up, it's some proprietary application. There's a gratis community edition of their software, but it won't open any nontrivial files |
| 05:40.58 | pharpend | ljhade24: so, in conclusion, no |
| 05:41.48 | ljhade24 | pharpend: thank you |
| 05:42.32 | ljhade24 | pharpend: I also googled it but there seem no application can open this file |
| 05:42.53 | pharpend | ljhade24: Sorry :/. This is why you shouldn't use proprietary software =p |
| 05:42.59 | pharpend | or at least proprietary file formats |
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| 05:52.07 | gry | ljhade24: can use their community edition limited to 25 objects, if the file is simple enough; or ask a friend student if his university has it; also can ask sender to send you something in another format |
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| 05:53.18 | ljhade24 | gry: but they don't provides linux version of it |
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| 05:55.45 | gry | erwin allows xml export |
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| 05:58.25 | ljhade24 | gry: how can I import that on linux? |
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| 06:01.13 | asd213a | hi guys. Anybody else having trouble installing linux-image-amd64 from jessie backports? |
| 06:01.58 | asd213a | http://pastebin.com/Ciy9WSe5 |
| 06:02.32 | jmcnaught | asd213a: what command did you use? |
| 06:02.40 | gry | ljhade24: ask a friend who has this program, or ask sender to send it to you as PDF |
| 06:03.23 | asd213a | jmcnaught: apt install linux-image-amd64/jessie-backports or apt install linux-image-amd64 -t jessie-backports |
| 06:04.34 | jmcnaught | asd213a: can you show the output of "apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64" and include the command in the paste? Also pastebin kinda sucks, http://paste.debian.net/ is better |
| 06:05.34 | jmcnaught | asd213a: the "linux-image-amd64/jessie-backports" syntax says only to take that package from backports, not its dependencies |
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| 06:06.12 | PatienceZero | FYI: I've documented many cases in which gry either gives inacurate information and/or responds to questions which were never asked. |
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| 06:06.54 | asd213a | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/562c23a5/ |
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| 06:07.47 | AlexZion | Hi everyone I have some problem with mysql on my debian server , is here the right place to ask for help ? |
| 06:08.28 | gry | PatienceZero: nobody asked you |
| 06:08.45 | gry | AlexZion: what's up? |
| 06:10.24 | AlexZion | I have a xampp installation tha was wworking just finebut after I install mysql workbench on xampp doesn't start anymore mysql |
| 06:10.49 | dax | dpkg: xampp |
| 06:10.50 | dpkg | XAMPP for Linux (formerly LAMPP) is a way of installing lots of software that is already packaged for Debian. Don't use XAMPP, instead use aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server gettext perl libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd libpng3 libjpeg62 ... actually, just ask me about <search>. |
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| 06:11.13 | Se7en | I need a quick help. What is the Debian equivalent of /sbin/runscrypt |
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| 06:11.20 | Se7en | I need to port a script |
| 06:11.35 | AlexZion | I tried even to remove and purge any mysql and than reinstall xampp but it doesn't change the situation |
| 06:11.53 | jmcnaught | asd213a: i don't think you're doing anything wrong, it seems that the linux-image-4.4.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 package isn't there right now. have you looked for announcements on the backports site or the BTS? |
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| 06:12.35 | AlexZion | I understand your point dax but right now I need to recover that system ... |
| 06:13.29 | jmcnaught | Se7en: what is runscrypt? definitely not a typo? |
| 06:13.46 | Se7en | /sbin/runscript |
| 06:13.47 | Se7en | Sorry |
| 06:13.57 | dax | i'd guess runscript. there's a /usr/bin/runscript in minicom, but since there's no comments about what it's supposed to do, i don't know if that's equivalent |
| 06:13.58 | asd213a | jmcnaught: oops: https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-image-amd64 "Package not available", so it's not on my end. Thanks |
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| 06:14.30 | Se7en | http://linux.die.net/man/1/runscript |
| 06:14.59 | dax | Se7en: yeah, looks like you want to install the minicom package if it's not already installed, and use /usr/bin/runscript then |
| 06:15.17 | Se7en | thank you |
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| 06:16.52 | gry | curious xampp thing, first time i hear, thanks dax |
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| 06:17.00 | gry | has #apachefriends |
| 06:17.34 | dax | gry: people wander into #ubuntu with it occasionally, so I'm familiar with it being an unsupportable mess |
| 06:17.38 | Haohmaru | what needs to be done to have a debian machine be resolvable to an IP from its name on the local network? |
| 06:18.04 | Haohmaru | ...like windows machines can be resolved by default |
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| 06:25.35 | jmcnaught | Haohmaru: do your debian systems use DHCP? I don't know Windows very much, but seems like on my LAN the systems that use DHCP tell my router their hostname, and if I used the dnsmasq on my router as my resolver than it just works |
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| 06:30.03 | gry | Haohmaru: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/16890/how-to-make-a-machine-accessible-from-the-lan-using-its-hostname has a overview of available options |
| 06:30.09 | Se7en | For some reason this isn't working on my fork |
| 06:30.16 | Se7en | Is this a misconfigured script |
| 06:30.17 | Se7en | https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/DNSCrypt#OpenRC |
| 06:31.18 | Se7en | Am I supposed to modify this? |
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| 06:33.14 | Se7en | Anyone? |
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| 06:35.06 | jmcnaught | Se7en: 1) people are less likely to help you if you're impatient 2) are you using openrc on Debian, not very many people are, 3) "isn't working on my fork" what does that mean? Can you provide error messages and other details like which release of Debian, what you're trying to do etc? |
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| 06:35.43 | Se7en | It just states that it can't recognize those definitions on the top, as it is attempting to render them as commands |
| 06:35.49 | Se7en | I don't know how to stop that |
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| 06:36.35 | Se7en | script "/etc/init.d/dnscrypt-proxy" line 4: unknown command "DNSCRYPT_LOGFILE=${DNSCRYPT_LOGFILE:-/var/log/dnscrypt-proxy.log}" |
| 06:37.00 | Se7en | I don't know why it isn't using it as a definition |
| 06:37.17 | jmcnaught | Se7en: are you using OpenRC as your init system? |
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| 06:37.37 | Se7en | Yes. My fork uses it by default |
| 06:37.50 | jmcnaught | Se7en: what fork are you talking about? |
| 06:38.08 | arahael | Se7en: have you tried using a knife? |
| 06:38.21 | Se7en | Trisquel |
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| 06:38.37 | Se7en | arahael, heh |
| 06:38.44 | jmcnaught | !trisquel |
| 06:38.44 | dpkg | Trisquel is a Spanish distribution initially based on Debian, now Ubuntu. It is not supported in #debian. http://trisquel.info/en #trisquel on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 06:38.58 | jmcnaught | Se7en: ^^ |
| 06:39.21 | Se7en | But I'm asking questions about the Debian terminal, not OpenRC as it is on Trisquel |
| 06:39.49 | Se7en | my problem is that it fails to define and I don't know if this script is wrong, if I need to change it |
| 06:39.51 | Se7en | etc |
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| 06:40.32 | gry | the terminal is not really a debian terminal, it's written by someone else; it just happens that both distros come with it |
| 06:40.53 | arahael | what "terminal" is this? xterm? |
| 06:40.55 | jmcnaught | Se7en: distros based on Debian are not supported in this channel. you're also asking about an OpenRC script which is not the default on Debian |
| 06:40.58 | gry | (this channel tries to avoid thinking about other distros just in case there is a tiny problem causing yours, and the other channel is better at it) |
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| 06:41.25 | Se7en | Alright |
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| 06:42.01 | arahael | always feels very final when people leave. |
| 06:42.25 | fishcooker | what's the alternative of '# yum whatprovides mail' in deb world? i want to know what package provide command mail |
| 06:42.51 | arahael | apt-file |
| 06:43.30 | gry | arahael: he is in the other channel now :) |
| 06:43.54 | arahael | gry: also, other distros don't exist :) |
| 06:44.15 | gry | haha, but we pull from them I think! if they have something meaningful ... |
| 06:44.48 | arahael | gry: we call those "the package upstream" |
| 06:45.17 | jmcnaught | fishcooker: also you can generally use the command "dpkg -S filename" to see which installed package provided a file |
| 06:45.32 | Haohmaru | hm, actually, i lied, on windows i can only resolve the name of my own machine, but can't resolve the names of the other windows machines on the lan, nor can i resolve my ip from any of them.. damn you windows for fooling me |
| 06:46.47 | arahael | Haohmaru: try waiting for 30 minutes. you may find that it suddenly works. |
| 06:46.54 | arahael | Haohmaru: yes. 30 minutes. |
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| 06:48.00 | jmcnaught | fishcooker: the mail command on Debian is managed by the alternatives system, so also take a look at "update-alternatives --display mailx" |
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| 06:50.34 | gry | Haohmaru: try winbind and/or samba |
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| 06:52.24 | jmcnaught | Haohmaru: it might be a simple as not using google's DNS servers as the resolvers for all your machines, and use your router as a resolver instead, but this is more of a ##networking problem than a #debian problem |
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| 06:53.31 | gry | Haohmaru: on which machine you are trying to resolve? when I needed to resolve a windows machine name on a debian laptop, winbind worked |
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| 06:57.33 | Haohmaru | well, basically i want to use the debian PC as a "server" sort of.. and it'd be convenient if the other computers on the network can just refer to it by a name |
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| 07:12.16 | jair | tttthf |
| 07:12.24 | jair | sorry |
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| 07:24.19 | moozer | I have a new package question |
| 07:24.34 | moozer | obs-studio is on the new list: https://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 07:25.12 | moozer | its "arch" is "source amd64" - does that mean it has both a source package and amd64, or *only* a source package? |
| 07:26.13 | dutchfish | moozer, to get into the repos it needs both |
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| 07:26.38 | dutchfish | moozer, if it is an ARCH limited too |
| 07:26.38 | Guest66764 | Hi. |
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| 07:26.58 | moozer | dutchfish: and since I don't find it on packages.d.o it is not available as binary? |
| 07:27.20 | dutchfish | moozer, build it yourself ;) |
| 07:27.24 | moozer | dutchfish: "ARCH limited" - what is that? |
| 07:27.58 | Guest66764 | I have a hard time finding cgred daemon in debian. I am relatively a new user so I wanted to ask more experienced ones: is cgred missing or am I looking in the wrong place? |
| 07:28.00 | moozer | dutchfish: I should be able to build a binary package from a source package :-) |
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| 07:28.05 | dutchfish | moozer, normally a source can be build on all ARCHes, there are exception for ARCH specific ones |
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| 07:28.06 | Guest66764 | I am using jessie |
| 07:28.15 | buu | Someone talk to me about sas controllers in linux |
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| 07:28.43 | moozer | dutchfish: thanks, I'll just build it on another machine and install the resulting binary |
| 07:29.03 | dutchfish | moozer, more info here https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/obs-studio_0.13.2+dfsg1-1.html |
| 07:29.19 | buu | SAS cards operate like routers or switches right? |
| 07:29.26 | buu | The Controller is the router and the expanders are the switches? |
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| 07:30.01 | dutchfish | moozer, when the source is in good shape, 'fakeroot dpkg-builpackage -us -uc` should build when all dependecies are met. |
| 07:30.09 | moozer | dutchfish: I saw it - and my debian packaging foo is kind on non-existing, so it didn't tell me a lot |
| 07:30.39 | srite00 | im trying to install mongodb and getting this error https://dpaste.de/vE1u |
| 07:30.44 | srite00 | how to fix it? |
| 07:30.44 | dutchfish | moozer, well, start at the debian wiki's like debian new maintainers guide |
| 07:31.06 | jmcnaught | Guest66764: do you have the cgroups-tools package installed? You can you apt-file to search package contents |
| 07:31.07 | moozer | dutchfish: I played with it last month, so I'll dig out my notes. I wasn't dificult. |
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| 07:31.16 | dutchfish | moozer, ok |
| 07:31.27 | jmcnaught | buu: probably a better question for ##hardware |
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| 07:32.09 | dutchfish | moozer, if you are really intrested to get it sponsered, ask a maintainer, test the package, report bugs etc etc |
| 07:32.10 | jmcnaught | srite00: don't use -y |
| 07:32.55 | buu | jmcnaught: Think anyone is alive? |
| 07:33.01 | srite00 | thanks |
| 07:33.15 | jmcnaught | srite00: also those don't look like debian packages |
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| 07:33.38 | srite00 | okay now installed correctly |
| 07:33.42 | jmcnaught | srite00: anyways, using apt-get -y is dumb, it robs you of the chance to say no if it wants to do something half-crazy |
| 07:33.58 | moozer | dutchfish: I think that specific package is being handled and is "pending upload". But yes, I am considering how to contribute |
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| 07:34.12 | srite00 | i copied it from mongodb manual |
| 07:34.17 | jmcnaught | buu: i don't know, but general questions about how hardware works is offtopic here |
| 07:34.24 | dutchfish | moozer, ok, fair enough, i saw its debian-multimedia |
| 07:34.41 | jmcnaught | srite00: did you have to edit sources.list too? |
| 07:34.51 | llusato | Good morning. I'm totally new in Debian. I'd like to know how can I enable the firewall? Many thanks! :) |
| 07:34.53 | cafuego | you put the electron in one end and on the side and then an electron comes out the other end or not |
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| 07:35.08 | srite00 | yes |
| 07:35.30 | Guest66764 | jmcnaught, the package does not contain any service file. |
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| 07:36.38 | jmcnaught | srite00: on Debian it's generally recommended to use what's provided by Debian and try and make that work (Debian has its own mongodb packages) before adding upstream repos and using their instructions that include stuff like "apt-get -y". |
| 07:37.00 | dutchfish | moozer, contact the maintainer, to avoid double work ;) |
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| 07:37.13 | jmcnaught | Guest66764: check the packages's directory in /usr/share/doc/ to see if one of the files explains changes made from upstream |
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| 07:37.40 | llusato | And anothes question: When will be Gnome 3.18 released in stable? |
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| 07:38.32 | nindustries | Hi, I have the following configuration. But when trying to request an IPv6 for eth0 (br0 worked), I get 'no link local address'. Ideas? http://pastie.org/private/wkav1gh0knjdnywg5cqxq |
| 07:38.59 | dutchfish | moozer, oh, and good luck |
| 07:40.05 | jmcnaught | llucenic: probably never. Debian Stable doesn't get new versions, except for some packages in backports or a few exceptions for security fixes like web browsers and samba recently. The word "stable" means "doesn't change/break/surprise you when you do upgrades" |
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| 07:40.28 | srite00 | jmcnaught, okay thanks :) |
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| 07:41.18 | jmcnaught | llucenic: for your firewall questions there are several ways to do this on Debian including using iptables and various front-ends like ufw, shorewall etc |
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| 07:42.28 | llusato | ok but can you give me one, please? |
| 07:42.31 | llusato | many thanks |
| 07:43.07 | jmcnaught | llucenic: sorry for the accidental hilights |
| 07:43.10 | bipul | I was trying to compile dash source package, but i am getting error messages http://paste.debian.net/441787/ could anyone let me know? what went wrong? |
| 07:43.39 | jmcnaught | llusato: give you one what? |
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| 07:44.03 | llusato | Good morning. I'm totally new in Debian. I'd like to know how can I enable the firewall? Many thanks! :) |
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| 07:44.23 | bipul | And i don't see any .deb file in parent directory,only i can see dash_0.5.7-4ubuntu1_i386.build |
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| 07:44.34 | jelly | bipul: is this a debian system? |
| 07:44.51 | bipul | jelly, No. |
| 07:44.52 | llusato | Can you give me one option to enable debian firewall |
| 07:45.03 | bipul | Sorry. |
| 07:45.14 | jmcnaught | llusato: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall |
| 07:45.36 | dutchfish | bipul, looks like your build dir was unwritable maybe |
| 07:45.44 | jelly | bipul: here's a free hint tho: make sure to unpack the source as the same user that's going to build it. Not as root. |
| 07:46.25 | bipul | jelly, I am not in root. |
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| 07:47.04 | dutchfish | bipul, i believe dash should be build with fakeroot |
| 07:47.29 | llusato | ok and to enable firewall ufw after startup automatically? |
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| 07:48.25 | dutchfish | bipul, and i assume you have dev scripts latest |
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| 07:48.41 | bipul | dutchfish, Yes, every thing is latest. |
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| 07:49.02 | bipul | I have install packages needed to build dash, and devscripts |
| 07:49.24 | dutchfish | bipul, what version of buildessentials? |
| 07:49.25 | bipul | Created directory debian,then grab the dash source package |
| 07:49.35 | jmcnaught | llusato: the ufw package will come with documentation, if its documentation is not sufficient try a different one |
| 07:49.40 | jelly | points bipul and dutchfish to #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 07:49.54 | bipul | then went inside dash* directory and executed debuild -us -uc |
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| 07:51.18 | llusato | ok many thanks Bye! |
| 07:52.01 | Guest66764 | jmcnaught, can't find the information. Do you know something about the deviation from standard cgred daemon approach ? |
| 07:53.27 | jmcnaught | Guest66764: no. other places to look for information would be bugs.debian.org for that package, and the wiki. i've never used cgred before, maybe it's obsoleted by systemd or cgmanager? |
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| 07:54.38 | Guest66764 | jmcnaught, thanks for your input. |
| 07:55.11 | bipul | dutchfish, 11.6ubuntu6 |
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| 07:56.02 | dutchfish | bipul, sorry i can't hep with that, i solely do Debian |
| 07:56.07 | dutchfish | help* |
| 07:56.44 | jmcnaught | bipul: #debian isn't for any distro that uses dpkg and other debian tools, you should ask in #ubuntu or start using Debian |
| 07:56.45 | bipul | dutchfish, :) it's ok. |
| 07:56.46 | dutchfish | bipul, for your info, i just did a build of dash in testing, and that worked without a glitch |
| 07:57.54 | bipul | Respect dutchfish work to debian. |
| 07:58.30 | bipul | for* |
| 07:58.53 | dutchfish | bipul, ask in #ubuntu, good luck |
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| 07:59.17 | sandieg | hi dudes |
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| 07:59.23 | sandieg | can someone help me plz ?! |
| 07:59.24 | sandieg | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GM206 [GeForce GTX 960] [10de:1401] (rev a1) |
| 07:59.27 | sandieg | Uh oh. Your card is only supported by the 71.86 legacy drivers series, |
| 07:59.32 | sandieg | Why ? |
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| 07:59.41 | inthl | using ip addr add ... the added IP does not show up in ifconfig. why is that? |
| 08:00.06 | Stummi | ifconfig only shows one IP per interface |
| 08:00.12 | sandieg | i have a gtx960 |
| 08:00.53 | Stummi | inthl, you should either use ip or ifconfig for both, setting and reading interface configuration |
| 08:01.03 | Stummi | (preferably ip) |
| 08:02.00 | jelly | sandieg: that looks like a bad guess from the version of nvidia-detect you got installed |
| 08:02.03 | inthl | my issue is that I added an IP with ip addr add, now I would like to switch to that IP address as the main one without doing ifdown/ifup |
| 08:02.18 | sandieg | jelly i just read the wiki |
| 08:02.23 | sandieg | can you advice me, plz |
| 08:02.30 | inthl | I just wonder how to do that safely without losing the connection |
| 08:02.49 | jelly | sandieg: sometimes the tools are buggy. which debian release are you using? |
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| 08:03.15 | sandieg | jelly how can i check it ? |
| 08:03.23 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 08:03.23 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 08:03.48 | sandieg | I am using this one, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:03.48 | sandieg | stretch/sid |
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| 08:04.24 | inthl | Stummi, basically it is about changing the primary interface ip |
| 08:04.34 | nindustries | So my br0 currently has an ipv6 but I see it has the same MAC as my eth0, how can I make eth0 get an address too? |
| 08:04.58 | Stummi | inthl, not sure if theres something as a "primary" ip at all |
| 08:05.07 | Stummi | (except in "the one configured first") |
| 08:05.11 | sandieg | Debian GNU/Linux stretch/sid |
| 08:05.30 | sandieg | jelly: do you know how to fix this ? |
| 08:05.39 | Stummi | inthl, you can try to delete and re add the new ip via ip addr |
| 08:05.46 | inthl | Stummi, well then how would I remove that first one without ifup/ifdown |
| 08:05.54 | inthl | hm |
| 08:06.07 | Stummi | ip addr del |
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| 08:08.38 | sandieg | jelly: should i go 32bit version of the driver, or 32bits ARM version ? |
| 08:08.42 | jelly | sandieg: I'd basically make sure the latest nvidia-detect was installed. Are you sure this is a Debian system and not a derivative OS? |
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| 08:08.58 | sandieg | derivative for elves os |
| 08:09.02 | sandieg | im not a et |
| 08:09.06 | sandieg | so i use derivated |
| 08:09.14 | sandieg | help me setting my debian up |
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| 08:11.29 | jelly | sandieg: if you installed from a debian installer image, try asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. If you installed something else, not from debian.org, ask the people who provided the image. |
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| 08:12.49 | sandieg | http://dpaste.com/2FANXFD |
| 08:12.55 | sandieg | take a look, jelly |
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| 08:15.34 | towo^work | sandieg, you have knoppix and wheezy-backports on stretch is stupid |
| 08:15.34 | sandieg | i am facing dependency issue |
| 08:15.45 | sandieg | towo^work: hi! |
| 08:15.58 | towo^work | knoppix is not debian |
| 08:16.15 | sandieg | should i work around the clock with the nvidia.com driver .run ? |
| 08:16.23 | peterrooney | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 08:16.24 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-6; sid/non-free: 352.79-7; experimental/non-free: 355.11-2 |
| 08:16.52 | sandieg | wich one is mine ? |
| 08:16.58 | towo^work | sandieg, you should use debian or ask in a knoppix chan |
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| 08:29.55 | Guest66764 | Anyone knows why cgroups in debian are missing files(options) like cpu.cfs_quota_us? |
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| 08:40.11 | dionysus69 | what is end of life of jessie? |
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| 08:40.31 | dionysus69 | I remember from somewhere that lifecycle of debian major releases was 10 years, is that correct? |
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| 08:40.57 | punisher | do you know when jessie was released? |
| 08:41.13 | jmcnaught | dionysus69: no, it's 1 year after the next stable release |
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| 08:41.18 | jmcnaught | punisher: one year ago |
| 08:41.25 | defanor | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 08:41.29 | punisher | ah ok |
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| 08:45.38 | dionysus69 | so debian lts is used for ubuntu lts base? |
| 08:45.51 | dionysus69 | and debian lts is same as debian stable? |
| 08:48.24 | babilen | dionysus69: Debian supports *some* stable releases as LTS after their normal support ended. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ for details |
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| 08:48.59 | defanor | babilen: why "*some*"? the page says "all Debian stable releases" |
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| 08:51.08 | dionyziz | Hi folks. I tried to install mysql-server and it failed. Now I can't use apt-get at all. https://gist.githubusercontent.com/dionyziz/658de94cc12d9b33e928154b5e569b29/raw/b2e13d540e5d78b8432e1a41bbb30901a15465df/gistfile1.txt |
| 08:51.16 | dionyziz | I can't upgrade, I can't install other packages, nothing. |
| 08:51.23 | dionyziz | Can I somehow make it forget that I wanted to install mysql-server? |
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| 08:51.52 | babilen | defanor: It is still decided on a case-by-case basis. I'd expect there to be LTS support for all upcoming stable releases however |
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| 08:52.46 | dionyziz | I already tried "rm -rf /var/lib/apt/* && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" |
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| 08:53.34 | Stummi | dionysus69, apt-get purge mysql-server |
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| 08:53.42 | Stummi | dionyziz, * ^ |
| 08:53.58 | Stummi | dionyziz, not sure if deleting /var/lib/apt/* is a good idea |
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| 08:54.45 | Stummi | (isn't the actual systems state stored there?) |
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| 08:55.46 | Stummi | if so, you probably broke your debian with running this command |
| 08:56.48 | dionyziz | Stummi: your command helped, it works now :) |
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| 08:56.57 | dionyziz | Stummi: I think the apt-get update rebuilt at least /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 08:57.15 | Stummi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.41 | Stummi | I would restore this directory from the backup if I were you |
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| 08:58.55 | Stummi | theres a extended_states file. Not sure what it does exactly but it looks important to me |
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| 09:05.03 | nickgaw | Hi, What does the message mean core temperature above threshold CPU clock throttled? |
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| 09:05.43 | Stummi | nickgaw, your CPU is slowed down because it overheats |
| 09:06.04 | nickgaw | When will it speed up again? |
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| 09:06.19 | Stummi | probably when it cooled down |
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| 09:06.45 | Stummi | nickgaw, (I think when its below the value sensors shows you as "hyst") |
| 09:07.04 | nickgaw | Is there a way to stop the kernel from slowing down the system should I wish to do this temporary? |
| 09:07.25 | Stummi | not sure, IIRC its done by the BIOS or CPU directly, not the kernel. |
| 09:08.04 | Stummi | also you don't want to do this. Its a measure that keeps you from cooking your CPU. You have a cooling problem and should fix this instead |
| 09:08.14 | nickgaw | When this system ran windows 7 I never had those messages why is that and does windows have safty features like this? |
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| 09:08.40 | Stummi | maybe windows 7 just didn't show you. Where did you look there for this message? |
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| 09:09.27 | nickgaw | I never looked but debian displays it on the console. |
| 09:09.47 | nickgaw | Are there ways in Jessie to avoid those messages being displayed? |
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| 09:12.26 | dionysus69 | how do I develop packages for debian? what programming languages can I use? |
| 09:12.55 | dionysus69 | is there a definite guide to create package from scratch and get .deb in the end? |
| 09:13.00 | nickgaw | Did you install build-essential as that installs most things for c and c++? |
| 09:13.17 | dionysus69 | I think I have build-essentials |
| 09:13.37 | dionysus69 | yes I have it |
| 09:13.39 | jelly | !nmg |
| 09:13.40 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 09:16.34 | jelly | dionysus69: you can ask dpkg bot about that other stuff in private, eg. /msg dpkg package basics |
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| 09:16.58 | dionysus69 | hmm interesting ha |
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| 09:27.35 | touki | Hello, I have a problem here with mongodb on Jessie. Tried few solutions online, none seems to be working. Error is "Error: couldn't connect to server 127.0.0.1:27017 at src/mongo/shell/mongo.js:145" Any idea? |
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| 09:28.37 | touki | mongod notifies a problem of DBPATH but /etc/mongodb.conf indicates the right one. |
| 09:28.56 | dionysus69 | jelly: how do I get debian site credentials? do I need to be approved? |
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| 09:36.37 | touki | to be more precise the error I get with mongod: exception in initAndListen: 10309 Unable to create/open lock file: /var/lib/mongodb/mongod.lock |
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| 09:45.59 | dionysus69 | is debian mobile project still under development? are there any smartphone devices that support debian yet? |
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| 09:48.02 | anddam | IIRC maruos is debian-based |
| 09:48.16 | anddam | and ubuntu is actively pushing that same agenda |
| 09:49.12 | SQL | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_1973 can run Debian, apparently |
| 09:49.26 | SQL | https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile#Devices |
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| 09:51.23 | dionysus69 | also, does it mean debian will run alongside android or standalone? |
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| 09:51.53 | dionysus69 | also what ui does it use? I found notice of gnome and kde in debian mobile section but how does it even look never heard or seen it |
| 09:51.58 | SQL | I would assume standalone - the page I linked talks about dual-booting / etc, so it wouldn't be under quemu / etc |
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| 10:00.17 | f0f4r | Hi, Can I have some problem using cname over cname? |
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| 10:02.52 | justatemp123 | hey. Is there a decent way to uninstall nvidia proprietary drivers (from nvidia binary) in order to install the prop. package from the repos? someone mentioned yesterday that nvidiabinary --uninstall messes up xorg completely |
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| 10:04.22 | arahael | justatemp123: the solution to that problem was package managers, |
| 10:04.31 | justatemp123 | rekt |
| 10:05.04 | arahael | justatemp123: such as dpkg, used by apt. |
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| 10:06.48 | justatemp123 | so my only viable option is a reinstall? |
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| 10:13.25 | arahael | justatemp123: if you're a purist. |
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| 10:14.10 | arahael | justatemp123: i'd probably just leave it. |
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| 10:22.58 | saunakangelane | Hello, I just debootstrapped efi styled debian jessie. Problem is I cannot boot, I always get bios. What is the problem here ? Asus a-58M motherboard and AMD a8-7600 APU. |
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| 10:24.18 | Mathisen | question: everywhere i look it says that you should use vi for edit files.. but i always use nano/pico .. is this a bad thing ? i cant see the diffrence |
| 10:25.15 | petemc | it can be useful to learn vi/vim, if you will always have access to nano its not essential |
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| 10:25.30 | mezo | i use nano since ever without probs |
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| 10:26.07 | xulin | i have 3 ethernet card, 2 ot them are usb interface. but i can't enable all of them in the Gnome network. if i enable the second one, the first one will be disabled. why? |
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| 10:27.26 | saunakangelane | Using nano is completely fine, Only case I had trouble when Nano was not installed on RHEL machine, so knowing vim commands is very useful and recommended. |
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| 10:28.13 | arahael | Mathisen: you're the first to suggest that there is no difference between nano/pico and vi. |
| 10:28.33 | arahael | Mathisen: that said. for the sudoers file, always use visudo. |
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| 10:29.03 | gluon | it's a personal matter, it's perfectly fine to use nano/pico |
| 10:29.23 | Mathisen | so the main thing then is that vi/vim is available on most systems and nano is not |
| 10:29.37 | gluon | i use vim heavily when coding, but usually nano is my goto editor when editing config files |
| 10:29.56 | gluon | Mathisen: yeah, that's fair to say |
| 10:30.01 | Mathisen | okej thx |
| 10:30.09 | gluon | but you can focus on the basic commands of vi/vim |
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| 10:30.18 | gluon | which aren't that hard and will save you from trouble |
| 10:30.23 | Mathisen | i tried it and it confuses me :)) |
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| 10:30.27 | gluon | no need to learn everything about vim |
| 10:30.32 | Mathisen | so many strange shortcuts |
| 10:30.35 | xulin | anyone has the same problem when using gnome network manager? |
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| 10:31.11 | arahael | Mathisen: if you don't lkke it. then jnstall nano or whatever. realky doesn't matter/ |
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| 10:31.20 | gluon | Mathisen: that's true, but for simple tasks you probably need no more than knowing how to save a file, exit, insert text |
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| 10:32.17 | gluon | you don't really need to learn much more than that and like arahael says, it's totally a matter of preference |
| 10:32.38 | Mathisen | nice thx for the input |
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| 10:33.08 | gluon | my suggestion would be learn simply how to save changes, insert text and quit for those cases where vi is the only editor installed and you cannot do anything about iy |
| 10:33.09 | gluon | it |
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| 10:37.56 | arahael | or if you suddenly become totally blind. |
| 10:38.18 | arahael | and require a braille line and suddenly realise that actually. ed is the best editor. |
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| 10:39.49 | anddam | every time I install a new debian system I hit the head against nano as default editor |
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| 10:40.10 | anddam | that's the single point of debian that actually enrages me, I don't expect to be a non-vi like editor right there on a new system |
| 10:40.41 | saunakangelane | Whatever I do in bios, it doesn't let be boot efi, but uefi is enabled -.- |
| 10:40.49 | anddam | I'd fork just to put vi as default editor |
| 10:40.58 | anddam | saunakangelane: if you're doing it in bios then it's not efi |
| 10:41.18 | anddam | but I figure you meant "firmware" rather than bios |
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| 10:41.38 | arahael | anddam: caldera's vi> |
| 10:41.49 | arahael | anddam: pretty crappy editor. |
| 10:42.15 | anddam | not sure what that is |
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| 10:42.21 | arahael | anddam: vim is far better. (and vi emulation is pretty crappy too.) |
| 10:42.23 | saunakangelane | What else could be the problem anddam ? It goes directly into bios and does not boot. My other machine worked fine. |
| 10:42.38 | anddam | saunakangelane: UEFI implementations are often buggy, from what I read around and my own experience |
| 10:42.57 | anddam | saunakangelane: it depends on what's happening on your side of the internet, "doesn't work" isn't enough detail |
| 10:42.59 | gluon | anddam: vibian! :) |
| 10:43.07 | saunakangelane | You mean I did set it up wrong ? |
| 10:43.07 | gluon | cool name for a fork |
| 10:43.15 | anddam | gluon: mmmm… donuts |
| 10:43.39 | saunakangelane | The secure boot is disabled aswell from bios |
| 10:43.53 | gluon | i won't say it enrages me, but yeah it's a bit weird to find nano on a mininal install |
| 10:44.09 | arahael | gluon: vim isn't a minimal editor. |
| 10:44.19 | anddam | gluon: it enrages because I end with files with ":wq" lines and so |
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| 10:44.32 | gluon | lol anddam |
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| 10:44.45 | arahael | nano is as minimal as it gets. well, or ed. |
| 10:45.10 | anddam | saunakangelane: that's firmware setup, don't call it bios since it's exactly what uefi is replacing |
| 10:45.23 | anddam | saunakangelane: is the disk correctly formatted? what is the computer actually saying on boot? |
| 10:45.40 | anddam | saunakangelane: can you boot uefi shell? |
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| 10:46.08 | anddam | is nano package way smaller than vi's one? |
| 10:46.12 | anddam | arahael: ^ |
| 10:47.20 | arahael | anddam: well, considering that vi itself didn't exist for a while - instead, vim in vi-emulation was used. |
| 10:47.34 | saunakangelane | It says -> Secyre biit us ebabked ti orevebt ybtrysted ioeratubg systems from loading during the system startup. But on another tab it says Secure boot disabled |
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| 10:47.50 | gluon | arahael: i was talking about vi, not vim |
| 10:48.01 | arahael | anddam: and vim is now pretty damn big now. then again, now we have more "small" vi clones. |
| 10:48.17 | saunakangelane | Omg, sorry -> Secure boot is enabled to prevent untrusted operating systems from loading during the system startup. Sorry I didnt look at monitor |
| 10:48.59 | arahael | gluon: easy test to know if you're running vi: Increase your window size to over 100 or 200 columns. does it crash? No? then it ain't vi. |
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| 10:50.37 | arahael | http://ex-vi.sourceforge.net |
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| 10:51.56 | gluon | to be honest, i don't even care so much if it's vi/vim or nano installed by default, it's more about both being there on a minimal install |
| 10:52.04 | gluon | one would be probably enough |
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| 10:52.43 | arahael | gluon: i'd want a minimal install to be /small/. |
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| 10:53.21 | nebg | hello everyone how can i become an official debian developer ^ |
| 10:53.22 | nebg | ? |
| 10:53.35 | gluon | arahael: yeah, i'm a minimalist too, i see your point |
| 10:54.21 | gluon | i just didn't bother to check the size of the binaries yet |
| 10:54.23 | gluon | vi vs nano |
| 10:54.48 | arahael | gluon: it also neatly sidesteps the whole vi/emacs thing. |
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| 10:54.58 | gluon | haha yeah |
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| 10:56.16 | gluon | arahael: although it could bring up the whole nano/pico thing, but that's not nearly the same level as vi/emacs |
| 10:56.17 | gluon | :) |
| 10:57.12 | babilen | nebg: https://www.debian.org/devel/join/ - https://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint |
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| 10:57.30 | gluon | the nano binary is actually smaller than the vi binary i have installed indeed |
| 10:57.35 | gluon | i'm not exactly sure what vi is this |
| 10:57.56 | arahael | gluon: not to mention, the ancillary files. |
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| 10:58.02 | gluon | yeah |
| 10:58.06 | arahael | gluon: your vi is probably vim/ |
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| 10:58.51 | gluon | yup, the manpage certainly suggests so |
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| 10:59.35 | gluon | speaking of minimalism, despite being the quintessential minimalist, i actually like systemd |
| 10:59.53 | arahael | systemd is good. |
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| 11:00.24 | arahael | not minimal, but neccessary. |
| 11:00.46 | gluon | i don't think it's monolithic, it's quite well compartmentalised and although not being minimal, it's hard to accomplish its goal in a minimal way |
| 11:02.43 | gluon | among other things, the commonality of using the same commands to manage the daemons on my debian 8 and centos 7 servers is quite welcome |
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| 11:04.32 | gluon | i disliked system v very much since forever |
| 11:04.37 | gluon | so that might play a role too |
| 11:05.03 | arahael | sys-v isn't that bad. i liked it. |
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| 11:06.00 | gluon | i was more into bsd init |
| 11:06.26 | arahael | more complex than bsd-init, yeah. but bsd init is bad from package-install scripts perspective. |
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| 11:06.41 | gluon | yeah i agree |
| 11:07.01 | gluon | like you said, systemd was a necessary "evil" |
| 11:07.19 | gluon | it comes with lots of positives |
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| 11:08.06 | gluon | and at the end of the day, it's up to the distros to decide how much they rely on it and how much options they use at compile time when building it |
| 11:08.34 | arahael | systemd also has great synergy as well. |
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| 11:08.44 | gluon | if they're using so many functions of systemd, even those outside the traditional scope of such software, i think that's probably because they work |
| 11:08.51 | gluon | and the integration |
| 11:08.53 | gluon | it brings |
| 11:09.02 | arahael | anyway. |
| 11:09.17 | arahael | systemd discussion is technically offtopic. |
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| 11:09.53 | gluon | fair enough |
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| 11:12.09 | kzar | When I lock the screen I get prompted for both username and password, where as I would prefer to just be prompted for my password. Any ideas how I could go about that? (I _think_ I'm using lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter. I already checked /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf but I couldn't see anything relevant.) |
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| 11:12.34 | randomgry | how do you lock it ? |
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| 11:13.17 | kzar | randomgry: By closing the laptop lid or hitting the hotkey I bound, I think both run xflock4 and then light-locker in turn. |
| 11:14.06 | randomgry | looks like this http://leranda.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Xscreensaver.png or it is a lightdm greeter ? |
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| 11:14.33 | kzar | randomgry: No, I removed that screensaver application and installed light-locker to replace it |
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| 11:15.38 | randomgry | command 'dm-tool lock' and command 'dm-tool switch-to-greeter' both have this problem ? |
| 11:16.41 | anddam | is there an utility like tmate.io but without requiring to start the tmux session? |
| 11:16.45 | kzar | randomgry: Yes, looks exactly the same. I would prefer to switch to unity-greeter to be honest but don't see a Debian package for that |
| 11:16.56 | anddam | that is I'd like a public point of access for sshd tunneling |
| 11:16.56 | randomgry | and 'light-locker-command -l' same problem ? |
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| 11:16.58 | anddam | ssh* |
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| 11:17.21 | kzar | randomgry: Yes |
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| 11:25.50 | kzar | randomgry: Any ideas? |
| 11:26.01 | randomgry | not yet, I'm still reading about this on the internet |
| 11:26.50 | kzar | randomgry: It's a puzzler. Originally I thought perhaps that's what lightdm-gtk-greeter just did, but I see screenshots online of it behaving like I expected |
| 11:26.58 | kzar | does* |
| 11:32.19 | Iridos | randomgry, sounds unusual... but I can't test it on my system... for some reason light-locker can't lock here at all |
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| 11:33.40 | randomgry | vocabulary is not helping, I mostly find irrelevant. share a screenshot please? |
| 11:34.30 | Iridos | ? |
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| 11:35.11 | randomgry | and check '/var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log' (I am responding to kzar here...) |
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| 11:35.19 | Guest18094 | Why does Debian, in addition to offering individual packages, also make available DVDs containing all the packages for the distribution? |
| 11:35.53 | Iridos | oh right, it was hist question... sorry; mixed that up |
| 11:36.03 | randomgry | np :) |
| 11:36.12 | Guest18094 | Ubuntu doesn't. (Apparently, most people want the latest package, and, due to security updates etc, the DVDs become outdated rather quickly |
| 11:36.48 | arahael | Guest18094: not everyone has fast internet. i remember a while back i would buy debian. |
| 11:37.04 | randomgry | ...and /var/log/lightdm/x-0-greeter.log |
| 11:37.25 | randomgry | (I don't know of the full dvd. thought it contains some builtin packages but not the complete repo shipped with it |
| 11:37.28 | Guest18094 | That is a good reason, arahael |
| 11:37.30 | arahael | Guest18094: indivual packages do becomw outdated, but it still saves a lot of time. |
| 11:37.53 | Iridos | Guest18094, "why" isn't really a question for here. but yes... you might be in central africa on a 200kb modem and still want to install an OS on your old and used computer |
| 11:38.01 | kzar | randomgry: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/88079/configure-lightdm-gtk-for-last-saved-or-a-default-user-and-focus-on-password Looks like it might be relevant |
| 11:38.30 | shakem | it is a pretty good package selection being distributed in a convenient way. it is not meant to be updated all the time because it does not have to. |
| 11:38.39 | arahael | Iridos: 200kb modem, that'd have been awesome, i was lucky to get 28.8kbps! |
| 11:39.05 | shakem | though, i really question the need for debian to distribute debug packages in such images. |
| 11:39.19 | Guest18094 | shakem - *not needing* frequent updates is a good reason, too! :) |
| 11:39.28 | arahael | shakem: that's a philosopical point. |
| 11:39.53 | arahael | shakem: as a dev, it can be convenient. |
| 11:40.05 | Iridos | and I guess the dvd images are also hybrid images and people can put them on usb sticks |
| 11:40.09 | shakem | yes. it is not necessarily good for security though, but i love debian for that reason. |
| 11:41.02 | Iridos | probably some freaking huge image for a stick would be better these days, but hey, the DVD images have been there sind the 90ies |
| 11:41.12 | shakem | there is. |
| 11:41.29 | shakem | they are 2 bluray images. |
| 11:41.36 | shakem | if i recall correctly. |
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| 11:41.54 | kzar | randomgry: Be right back, restarting |
| 11:43.05 | gluon | it's been a long long while since i used debian-testing as my desktop, i wonder if it's still a good option and as close to a rolling release as possible |
| 11:43.48 | arahael | gluon: sid is a rolling release. |
| 11:44.11 | arahael | gluon: but it's never stable. |
| 11:44.18 | randomgry | kzar: and you will get http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hDPM4bQ00fM/Ubmro2FmZHI/AAAAAAAAPg0/hjog0LsOtXQ/s1600/lubuntu-lock-screen.png instead of http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xc4y16CMvZM/Udx2tNsm3dI/AAAAAAAAPyI/o4wWpH9yg0Y/s1600/light-locker.png but this solution seems a nice workaround |
| 11:44.22 | gluon | yeah |
| 11:44.53 | gluon | i used debian-testing for many years as well as archlinux, the experience was similar |
| 11:45.03 | gluon | at the end of the day debian was my favourite tho |
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| 11:45.26 | arahael | i tried many distros back in the day. kept returning to debian. |
| 11:45.28 | gluon | especially because i already worked with debians on the server side |
| 11:45.37 | gluon | yup, more or less like me |
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| 11:46.06 | arahael | my least favorite was redhat 5 or something. and mandrake. |
| 11:46.14 | arahael | to this day i still dislike rpm. |
| 11:46.19 | gluon | redhat 5.2 was my first ever linux distro |
| 11:47.06 | gluon | i'm not a particular fan of rpm either, but yum on centos/rhel makes it usable enough for me |
| 11:47.25 | arahael | meh. |
| 11:48.52 | gluon | as a user it doesn't make much difference to me, but as a package, deb/apt ftw! |
| 11:48.59 | gluon | packager* |
| 11:49.12 | shakem | "arahael | shakem: as a dev, it can be convenient." i might sound like i didnt read your line, but care to explain this point? |
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| 11:51.43 | kzar | randomgry: Back, missed some of your messages as ZNC is only saving the past ~100 messages for each channel |
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| 11:52.23 | kzar | randomgry: I replaced light-locker with gnome-screensaver, that seems to work fine and also fixes another bug I was experiencing (cursor disappearing after logging back in sometimes) |
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| 11:54.27 | Iridos | arahael, suse around 2000 was much worse than redhat... a package manager that overwrites your self-written config files because it knows better? lovely idea! |
| 11:54.33 | Iridos | but we're getting offtopic with that |
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| 11:55.16 | shakem | kzar: here you go http://pastebin.com/raw/1j3zP7LD |
| 11:56.09 | kzar | shakem: ty |
| 11:56.13 | kzar | randomgry: Thanks for all the help |
| 11:56.21 | shakem | yw |
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| 11:59.22 | prago_1 | need help with the tool "txt2html"... anybody can help me? |
| 11:59.23 | mistnim | is there a file that lightdm is going to source when logging in? |
| 11:59.43 | mistnim | like .profile, but it doesn't source .profile |
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| 12:01.39 | ghormoon | hi, any hints how to make an app autostart when remote X access is available? it uses DISPLAY=IP:0, I need to autostart when the user that allows the xhost +sourceIP logs in. noly thing I thought of is ssh with key on the X machine, but I'd like to avoid having key to the app machines on the X one |
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| 12:07.12 | randomgry | kzar: aha.. report bug with lightdm please? one issue and one enhancement request, I think command 'reportbug' but needs a working email on that machine... |
| 12:07.23 | randomgry | kzar: and congratulations or something |
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| 12:09.49 | mistnim | is there a script lightdm will launch/source when logging in? |
| 12:10.23 | bazhang | such as lightdm.conf? |
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| 12:10.47 | randomgry | yes, session-setup-script |
| 12:10.48 | mistnim | bazhang: sometthing like .profile |
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| 12:11.06 | teraflops | mistnim: ~/.xprofile |
| 12:11.19 | mistnim | teraflops: it doesn't work for me |
| 12:11.47 | teraflops | mistnim: what are you trying to do? It gets sourced here |
| 12:12.26 | themill | randomgry: reportbug will send the message directly to the debian servers, no MTA required. |
| 12:12.26 | installingproces | flawless, thank you Debian team! |
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| 12:13.52 | mistnim | teraflops: well, I have something setup in .profile so that it will recogninze another bin folder. When I log in through tty it works, I do cp .profile .xprofile, and log in with lightdm but it doesn't work |
| 12:15.00 | teraflops | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.08 | mistnim | teraflops: yeah, same thing |
| 12:16.10 | randomgry | mistnim, session-setup-script , has couple other at http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/88079/configure-lightdm-gtk-for-last-saved-or-a-default-user-and-focus-on-password (have to find in page, it's way down) |
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| 12:16.33 | randomgry | no, at http://www.mattfischer.com/blog/?p=343, I copied a wrong one |
| 12:17.24 | teraflops | mistnim: Mind pasting to a sane pasteboard site your.xprofile |
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| 12:19.40 | dirkk | Hi, how can I distingish inputs in /dev/inputs/ ? I have by-path, event0, event1, etc.. |
| 12:20.10 | mistnim | teraflops: dpaste.de/mGx2 |
| 12:20.40 | mistnim | teraflops: the last line is the most important |
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| 12:23.12 | teraflops | mistnim: are you sure the lines don't get truncated there? |
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| 12:25.43 | mistnim | teraflops: yep |
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| 12:28.01 | teraflops | Tried in bash profile or whatever shell you use? |
| 12:28.54 | mistnim | teraflops: that might work but just when I'm on the shell though, isn't it? that's not ideal |
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| 12:30.38 | teraflops | Then I have no idea unless you need some #!bashwathever at top of. xprofile |
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| 12:59.17 | mistnim | teraflops: are you on jessie stable? |
| 13:00.29 | teraflops | yes |
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| 13:00.54 | mistnim | teraflops: which wm? |
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| 13:02.39 | teraflops | if you use lightdm it sources ~/.xprofile no matter which DE/WM you're in |
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| 13:03.19 | mistnim | teraflops: well it's not doing it for me, so I though it was the DE |
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| 13:05.05 | teraflops | mistnim: is your user "work"? |
| 13:05.40 | mistnim | teraflops: yes |
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| 13:05.58 | teraflops | also try to avoid $USER and use work instead |
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| 13:26.03 | markfoodyburton | Hi, this is a network question: I have a debian box set up as a router / firewall. I have a pair of modems (which are netgear's running modfs). I'm running PPPD(s) on the router. My ISP has moved my 2 lines to both me on the same concentrator (:-( ) so pppd is getting confused. To solve this I've added two vlans (one for each modem). Running each one separately is now fine. When I run the two lines together - I get >60 |
| 13:26.26 | iamwhoiam | hello people. a question: does anybody know how I can get the complete list of all available packages in debian stable in their CUDF format? |
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| 13:39.11 | Jidoor | i've been trying to figure out a good way to set permissions for the www folder which apache is serving webpages from |
| 13:39.19 | Jidoor | default is root which wont allow apache to create or modify files |
| 13:39.26 | Jidoor | now i set them all to owner and group www-data and added my own user to www-data group but when i create a file it sets myself as owner so i guess i'd still have to manually change permissions on any new files i add to allow apache to modify them |
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| 13:42.53 | themill | doesn't like the idea of the httpd having the ability to write files |
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| 13:49.29 | Jidoor | another thing i encountered was i put permissions to 770 and wasn't able to open folder or list their content |
| 13:49.54 | Jidoor | i guess those require execute permission but my user was part of the group that owned the files |
| 13:50.43 | Jidoor | i read somewhere you have to relog if you add yourself to some usergroup is that correct? |
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| 13:54.42 | anddam | what's the suggested utility to sync time? |
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| 13:55.01 | anddam | I remember one couldn't handle a big time skew |
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| 14:03.45 | anddam | installing python-virtualenv on jessie pulls in 3.4 packages as well, why is this? I ran "apt-get install python-virtualenv" on a fresh new system |
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| 14:26.14 | srg2 | I just installed debian and installed xfce4. I configured it to start from console via https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#From_the_console but when I type `startx`, I first get some text output of startx, but then the monitor goes blank and I can't seem to get anything back. Even ctrl+alt+F* doesn't switch to other consoles. |
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| 14:35.14 | Iridos | try to get error messages via ssh |
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| 14:42.46 | MarcL | I have set Firefox to delete automatically everything when I close it, I don't think it delete the adobe-flash cache also, right? There is some command in terminal or some other way to delete easily cache from flash-plugins and if necessary from the pc also? |
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| 14:59.17 | Boloyankee | hey there.. i cant install retroshare i get this broken package errors.. any solution? |
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| 15:02.22 | Boloyankee | i get the libssl 1.0.0 required and i have libssl 2.** http://pastebin.com/4UnSZTmL |
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| 15:03.57 | jelly | Boloyankee: which debian release are you using? |
| 15:04.25 | Boloyankee | jelly, deb 3.1 |
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| 15:05.11 | jjwilliams | in debian how can i enable pthread.so module? |
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| 15:05.30 | jjwilliams | i try ` pecl install pthreads`, but it throws |
| 15:05.32 | jelly | Boloyankee: are you sure about that? that's like more than a decade old |
| 15:05.33 | jjwilliams | pthreads requires ZTS, please re-compile PHP with ZTS enabled |
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| 15:06.16 | jelly | Boloyankee: pastebin the output of: /usr/bin/lsb_release -a |
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| 15:08.56 | Boloyankee | jelly, sorry man.. ma BAD its debian testing |
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| 15:20.40 | jelly | Boloyankee: ah, then it's expected not to have libssl1.0.0 available. You will have to add a repository for debian stable (debian 8) to get it. |
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| 15:20.50 | jelly | dpkg, tell Boloyankee about jessie sources.list |
| 15:22.16 | Boloyankee | jelly, but i have libssl 2.* why should i have to go down to 1.0.0 ver? |
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| 15:23.30 | jelly | Boloyankee: because the package you're trying to install was built to use libssl1.0.0, and libraries coming in different package names are not compatible with each other |
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| 15:24.34 | Boloyankee | jelly, oky man, thanks |
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| 15:27.48 | Spr1ng | Anybody know how to enable the new braille unicode graphs in htop2.0? |
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| 15:31.53 | Boloyankee | Spr1ng, try https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2016-February/040764.html |
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| 15:32.10 | moldo | i love debian and linux people |
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| 15:32.58 | saunakangelane | Does asus motherboards not support GPT ?? I have a58m-a and cannot boot uefi |
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| 15:33.30 | saunakangelane | using qemu with that harddrive worked, so it is not the issue here |
| 15:34.40 | Spr1ng | Ah Boloyankee that's probably it. |
| 15:34.59 | srg2 | I'm having an issue where my screen is blanking after I startx. I'm getting this in my logs: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/a088cdb0 |
| 15:35.33 | srg2 | this is my video card: http://paste.debian.net/plain/442184 |
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| 15:37.09 | Iridos | srg2, hm, try lspci -nn instead, it gives you an id number like [0000:0000] |
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| 15:38.32 | srg2 | Iridos: It gives 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Turks LE [Radeon HD 5570/6510/7510/8510] [1002:675f] |
| 15:38.39 | srg2 | (among all the other pci devices) |
| 15:38.39 | Boloyankee | srg2, if you have internet connection just hold 'Ctrl + Alt + f1' then reinstall xserver-xorg "apt-get purge xserver-xorg* && apt-get install xserver-xorg*" that will probably fix the issue |
| 15:38.54 | srg2 | Boloyankee: I can't switch betwen conoles with ctrl+alt+f* |
| 15:38.56 | srg2 | it wont let me |
| 15:39.03 | srg2 | I have to basically poweroff the system |
| 15:39.16 | srg2 | I'm booted now into a terminal, I'll try doing that now |
| 15:39.18 | Iridos | judd, pciid 1002:675f |
| 15:39.19 | judd | [1002:675f] is 'Turks LE [Radeon HD 5570/6510/7510/8510]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:675f and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 15:39.28 | Boloyankee | srg2, can you get a terminal? |
| 15:39.36 | srg2 | yeah, it boots into a terminal |
| 15:39.40 | srg2 | this only happens when I `startx` |
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| 15:40.14 | Boloyankee | srg2, you have terminal then try what i told you |
| 15:40.32 | Iridos | mmh. the database only says Works? Yes |
| 15:40.38 | Iridos | no kernel version |
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| 15:41.29 | srg2 | Boloyankee: you want me to install every xserver-xorg package? |
| 15:41.46 | Boloyankee | srg2, yes can you do that? |
| 15:43.21 | srg2 | Boloyankee: that install command gives me an error saying the following packages have unmet dependencies, xserver-xorg-input-mtrack |
| 15:43.40 | srg2 | conflicts with xserver-xorg-input-multitouch |
| 15:44.06 | Boloyankee | srg2, try typing "gdm3" in terminal |
| 15:44.12 | srg2 | I don't have gdm installed |
| 15:44.23 | srg2 | this is a fresh install from the netinstaller |
| 15:44.32 | srg2 | i installed xorg and xfce4 |
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| 15:45.34 | saunakangelane | does anyone have asus motherboard with efi and gpt and it works ?? |
| 15:45.36 | Iridos | srg2, hmm... http://www.spinics.net/lists/dri-devel/msg102469.html |
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| 15:45.58 | desperatehelpnee | hi |
| 15:46.09 | desperatehelpnee | can somebody tell me what is the arch chat ? |
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| 15:46.13 | srg2 | Iridos: ah, runpm seemed to fix it |
| 15:46.21 | desperatehelpnee | my pc fcked up and i need it now for school |
| 15:46.25 | babilen | dpkg: arch linux |
| 15:46.25 | dpkg | Arch Linux is an a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management. http://www.archlinux.org/ #archlinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:46.28 | babilen | desperatehelpnee: ^ |
| 15:46.34 | desperatehelpnee | ty |
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| 15:46.47 | Iridos | srg2, dunno... but that looks similar. and it's from 2016 (it does link back to an old bug from 2012, though) |
| 15:46.59 | Iridos | srg2, worth a shot, I think |
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| 15:47.18 | gregf | anyone know of some instructions that shows how to pxe boot the debian-live cd? Keep getting init/bin/sh exists but can't execute |
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| 15:49.29 | Boloyankee | srg2, can you pastebin your reinstallation of xserver-xorg? |
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| 15:50.38 | desperatehelpnee | sorry if i ask on this page but for writing in the arch linux channel i need to register and since this is my only pc (i dont know how to use any text browser) and my graphic interface won't start |
| 15:50.48 | desperatehelpnee | i need to ask here |
| 15:51.06 | desperatehelpnee | when i start my pc (manjaro OS) i only see a black screen with a lighting underscore |
| 15:51.09 | Boloyankee | desperatehelpnee, apt-get install w3m |
| 15:51.10 | desperatehelpnee | what can i doo |
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| 15:51.18 | desperatehelpnee | i need a solution quick |
| 15:51.22 | desperatehelpnee | can somebody help me ? |
| 15:51.28 | desperatehelpnee | i need for university in 30 min |
| 15:51.29 | Boloyankee | desperatehelpnee, will give you a console browser |
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| 15:51.43 | desperatehelpnee | i dont have time to learn how to use that |
| 15:51.45 | Doo | desperatehelpnee, yes ? |
| 15:51.46 | Doo | :p |
| 15:51.52 | towo` | nḿanjaro os is not debian |
| 15:51.59 | desperatehelpnee | read up |
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| 15:52.25 | desperatehelpnee | my graphic interface dont start, i can only use console. what can i do ? |
| 15:52.27 | Doo | was a troll since u highlighted me |
| 15:52.30 | Doo | startx ? |
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| 15:52.35 | desperatehelpnee | startx dont work |
| 15:52.37 | desperatehelpnee | either |
| 15:52.37 | towo` | and a blinking underscore is typical for not propper installed drivers |
| 15:52.42 | towo` | but again |
| 15:52.45 | Doo | dmesg | less |
| 15:52.57 | towo` | this is a debian channes and manjaro isn't debian for sure |
| 15:52.59 | Doo | log is truth |
| 15:53.13 | Doo | towo`, yeah but doesnt mean that we have to be selfish :D |
| 15:53.29 | desperatehelpnee | cna u explain me easy what to do ? |
| 15:53.35 | desperatehelpnee | im not really an expert |
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| 15:53.42 | Doo | don't install manjaro so :) |
| 15:53.51 | Doo | manjaro and rolling distros are for grown ups |
| 15:54.04 | Iridos | desperatehelpnee, we only support debian here. |
| 15:54.13 | desperatehelpnee | you guys are assholes |
| 15:54.17 | Doo | thx desperatehelpnee |
| 15:54.19 | desperatehelpnee | im in desperate urgent |
| 15:54.21 | Doo | that's nice of you |
| 15:54.22 | desperatehelpnee | need of help |
| 15:54.29 | Ankabout | I have a problem with Raspbian (which I believe is a debian distro right?). Any chance someone can help me here? |
| 15:54.31 | Doo | and we are here to help you since you are insulting us :D |
| 15:54.31 | desperatehelpnee | and u guys can only bitch out about formality |
| 15:54.33 | Iridos | desperatehelpnee, cut our pay then |
| 15:54.37 | Ankabout | Or am I in the wrong room? |
| 15:54.39 | towo` | then ask in your distro channel |
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| 15:54.45 | desperatehelpnee | i cant |
| 15:54.51 | desperatehelpnee | i need to register to do so |
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| 15:54.54 | Doo | so help urself <3 |
| 15:54.55 | jelly | desperatehelpnee: some of us can also offer paid support if you're in a rush. |
| 15:55.06 | Doo | oh yeah jelly business time |
| 15:55.09 | desperatehelpnee | doo are u mental retarded ? |
| 15:55.11 | Boloyankee | desperatehelpnee, ctrl ur tone man |
| 15:55.12 | jelly | say, $80/hr, 2 hours minimum |
| 15:55.13 | Doo | both desperatehelpnee |
| 15:55.15 | Doo | both |
| 15:55.33 | TomTomTosch | desperatehelpnee: read on the freenode greeting screen how to register. pls stop spamming and insulting people. |
| 15:55.43 | Doo | but i still am less annoying than u can be with ur whining spam :') |
| 15:56.00 | Doo | kisses |
| 15:56.07 | desperatehelpnee | ok fck you guys. You are the worst fcking human being on this planet. Someone need help and u are onyl able to bitch out about rules. |
| 15:56.07 | TomTomTosch | back to topic please. |
| 15:56.13 | Doo | <3 |
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| 15:56.22 | jelly | moving on... |
| 15:56.26 | Doo | thx jelly :) |
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| 15:56.45 | TomTomTosch | Ankabout: there is a #raspbian channel. |
| 15:56.52 | Iridos | can't have been $160 desperate |
| 15:56.56 | Ankabout | Ah now I see it. I misspelled it. Thanks! |
| 15:57.25 | TomTomTosch | jelly: getting cheaper? it was 100$ an hour a few weeks ago :P |
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| 15:57.39 | Iridos | TomTomTosch, student rebate applies :P |
| 15:57.45 | Doo | insults cuts you prices i think |
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| 16:02.14 | dionysus69 | I just setup home server using kodibuntu (xfce ubuntu) and I figured that I don't know how to share folders on the network haha |
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| 16:03.18 | dionysus69 | I googled around and found smb vs nfs competition, which one should I go for? even though my main pc has debian there might be some windows clients needing to connect to the shared folders, does windows support nfs? |
| 16:03.28 | TomTomTosch | !ubuntu |
| 16:03.28 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 16:03.35 | peterrooney | is baffled as to what channel this is |
| 16:04.42 | TomTomTosch | it's the based-on-debian entrance hall. please go to the second door on the left labled #ubuntu. |
| 16:04.42 | teraflops | dionysus69: use samba/nfs/ssh/upnp you may want to ask in #ubuntu or #whateverbuntu for further support |
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| 16:04.59 | dionysus69 | TomTomTosch: lol I am a debian user, if I learn how to share dirs properly the debian way I could apply them to other distros |
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| 16:07.25 | peterrooney | dionysus69: cross posting is rude. |
| 16:07.33 | jhutchins | dionysus69: If you want to install Debian and set up file sharing on that, we can help. You might learn enough to figure out the differences and get it done on Ubuntu. |
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| 16:08.27 | dionysus69 | peterrooney: I am forced to cross post after all I am sharing dirs on ubuntu |
| 16:08.31 | jhutchins | dionysus69: On the other hand, if you "fake" it by pretending you're doing it on Debian, you're likely to get stuck on one of those differences and end up frustrating everybody and wastin gour time. |
| 16:08.32 | dionysus69 | xubuntu* |
| 16:09.05 | dionysus69 | jhutchins: all is good not gonna fake it ^.^ |
| 16:10.16 | teraflops | jhutchins: yeah that's the point, those words deserve a factoid |
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| 16:11.16 | DHowett | On an upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie, will systemd prefer units or LSB init scripts? It seems like I'm still seeing a lot of init script chatter and init scripts in systemctl status |
| 16:11.32 | DHowett | rpcbind is screwy, so it can't work with systemd-networkd atm. I reckon that would fix a lot of it |
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| 16:14.17 | teraflops | DHowett: what's wrong with rpcbind and systemd-networkd? |
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| 16:15.24 | tarik | Hi all |
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| 16:18.24 | tarik | I've question, How can'I check if the password in /etc/shadow is strong, there is any way or script ??? |
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| 16:19.56 | JordiGH | Jesus, jwz's annoying warnings in xscreensaver are really annoying me. |
| 16:20.05 | JordiGH | stfu, jwz, I *like* software from 2014. |
| 16:20.13 | TomTomTosch | tarik: no way, it's hashed and salted. |
| 16:20.22 | JordiGH | Is there an easy fix? Or a patch to make jwz stfu? |
| 16:20.31 | Iridos | JordiGH, recompile it then |
| 16:20.37 | JordiGH | Iridos: Right, is there a patch? |
| 16:21.13 | TomTomTosch | #819703 |
| 16:21.15 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/819703 in xscreensaver (closed, patch): «xscreensaver: please disable "This version of XScreenSaver is very old! Please upgrade!" message»; severity: important; opened: 2016-04-01; last modified: 2016-04-23. |
| 16:21.20 | Iridos | easiest is just an exit(0) https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703 |
| 16:21.35 | TomTomTosch | JordiGH: the first report has a patch. |
| 16:21.37 | DHowett | teraflops: dependency loop. There's an open bug for it, but I can't find it atm. rpcbind depends on network+network-online, which depend on sysinit, which depends on rpcbind |
| 16:21.55 | DHowett | it seemingly breaks the chain by removing basic.target :P |
| 16:22.02 | DHowett | (which is implicated in there somewhere) |
| 16:22.04 | teraflops | JordiGH: the mantainer requested xscreensaver to be dropped from debian repos, perhaps he is enraged |
| 16:22.17 | teraflops | DHowett: oh |
| 16:22.26 | DHowett | with lsb networking it doesn't complain (???) |
| 16:22.55 | teraflops | DHowett: because nfs? |
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| 16:23.08 | DHowett | yep. I haven't got nfs mounts in fstab, though, they're only on autofs |
| 16:23.22 | DHowett | but yeah, it wants to fire up nfs early |
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| 16:24.18 | JordiGH | TomTomTosch: oh god, I didn't want to read that thread. |
| 16:24.26 | teraflops | DHowett: is it viable for you uninstalling for the sake of four upgrade and reinstalling later? also commenting out the related fstab entries? |
| 16:24.32 | JordiGH | teraflops: jwz is a twit. |
| 16:24.58 | teraflops | JordiGH: im not aware at what tweet is in this context sorry |
| 16:24.59 | TomTomTosch | JordiGH: "the first report has a patch" |
| 16:25.20 | JordiGH | teraflops: twit, not tweet. |
| 16:25.31 | teraflops | yeah twit |
| 16:25.35 | JordiGH | TomTomTosch: Yeah... but then I made the mistake of scrolling down. |
| 16:25.48 | JordiGH | teraflops: An unpleasant person. |
| 16:25.58 | Iridos | JordiGH, well, don't use his software, then :) |
| 16:26.01 | JordiGH | should know better than to read the bottom half of the internet. |
| 16:26.14 | teraflops | JordiGH: then do not use his sw I guess |
| 16:26.42 | TomTomTosch | you don't have to like him and you don't have to use his software. |
| 16:26.44 | JordiGH | If jwz followed the advice you're giving me, he would have never forked Xemacs. |
| 16:26.51 | neglesaks | hm, the gedit in D8 is rather ... minimalistic |
| 16:27.03 | JordiGH | So, following his example, we "fork" xscreensaver and disable his annoying warning. |
| 16:27.04 | DHowett | teraflops: the upgrade's done, actually. i'm just trying to figure out why boot seems to be taking orders of magnitude longer than it should |
| 16:27.28 | DHowett | the critical chain implicates networking, primarily, but there's a lot of LSB junk too |
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| 16:27.40 | DHowett | anyway, off for now. It'll be a problem to solve later! |
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| 16:28.07 | teraflops | DHowett: systemd-analyze blame , systemd-analyze plot > boot.png is a good start |
| 16:28.13 | neglesaks | lol beware |
| 16:28.16 | JordiGH | lol |
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| 16:30.26 | JordiGH | Oh, wait, the package has already been patched on unstable to remove this warning. |
| 16:30.34 | JordiGH | Great! I can just do a ssb. |
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| 16:31.06 | Iridos | the package from unstable wouldn't show the warning anyway, though |
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| 16:31.33 | JordiGH | Everyone wins! jwz gets his wish and I get my fork! |
| 16:31.46 | markybob | jr |
| 16:32.11 | markybob | Iridos: it's for when stretch becomes stable so this wont happen again |
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| 16:32.33 | abrotman | it's been fixed |
| 16:32.41 | Iridos | markybob, I know |
| 16:33.05 | teraflops | JordiGH: fair enough :p |
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| 16:46.16 | BadCodSmell | If I want to manually install a .deb but still want it to go through normal apt style dependency management how can I accomplish this without building a repository? |
| 16:46.19 | jmcnaught | JordiGH: the packages is also fixed in 5.30-1+deb8u2 in jessie-updates |
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| 17:09.34 | Neo | I was curious if there was an easy way to add all available non-free firmware into my initramfs? |
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| 17:10.01 | Neo | unless its all contained in the firmware.cpio.gz |
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| 17:14.13 | Neo | actually, it may be easier to make a 'modifiable' live usb stick |
| 17:14.20 | Neo | that's really my end goal here |
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| 17:26.04 | tuple | How can I prevent the automatic creation of ~/Videos, ~/Documents, ~/Templates, ~/Pictures, ~/Music, etc? I edited ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs and commented out the entries I don't want, but when I rebooted, the lines were uncommented and the folders recreated. |
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| 17:29.19 | cmtptr | tuple, change them all to "$HOME/" |
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| 17:29.37 | cmtptr | or better yet, discover which program is creating them and open a bug against it |
| 17:30.36 | tuple | ok thanks |
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| 17:32.44 | teraflops | tuple: tried creating ~/.config/user-dirs.locale and then running xdg-user-dirs-update ? |
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| 17:35.03 | teraflops | tuple: err I meant ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs |
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| 17:37.14 | teraflops | tuple: the locale one is for the preferred language/locales |
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| 17:37.57 | module000 | tuple: it's user-dirs.config |
| 17:38.13 | gionnico | Hi! I'm not getting any audio output on front speakers, I'd expect duplicated audio on front/rear. Someone has got any hint how to work this out with pulse? |
| 17:38.14 | tuple | teraflops: I'll edit it and try |
| 17:38.19 | tuple | thanks! |
| 17:38.21 | module000 | tuple: the exact syntax escapes me, but `apropos user-dirs` and you'll see the config file syntax showing 'enabled=false', which will cause it not to regenerate those original settings |
| 17:39.06 | module000 | tuple: specifically...and pardon the link being for ubuntu, but this shows you the user-dirs.config syntax: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man5/user-dirs.conf.5.html |
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| 17:44.57 | teraflops | The problw |
| 17:45.09 | teraflops | Ups wrong buffer |
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| 17:51.57 | eeerasd | Hi |
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| 17:52.44 | eeerasd | Venezuela is going to change timezone, how can I know if debian has an updated tzdata or if I need to do changes manually |
| 17:54.14 | teraflops | eeerasd: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hora_legal_de_Venezuela#Ajuste_de_hora_en_sistemas_inform.C3.A1ticos_GNU.2FLinux ? |
| 17:55.12 | JordiGH | jmcnaught: Ah, good to know, thanks. |
| 17:55.13 | brigo | impressive |
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| 17:57.17 | eeerasd | teraflops, thx, so I must apply that diff and wait for debian to create the official .deb? |
| 17:59.31 | teraflops | eeerasd: I'm not sure if debian will do it by itself. if time arrives and no change then it ill require manual intervention I suppose |
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| 18:00.20 | teraflops | will* |
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| 18:03.32 | Ademan-laptop | For reasons I don't understand, eth0 periodically comes up with no ethernet cable plugged in, while connected to wifi. It ends up polluting my routes, and networking seems to break until I 'sudo ip link set eth0 down' I'm using NetworkManager and ifupdown is enabled I believe, it's completely default |
| 18:04.33 | Ademan-laptop | anyone know why eth0 might come up like that? nothing suspicious in dmesg, there's some avahi output in syslog though |
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| 18:05.21 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.43 | Ademan-laptop | ah, actually avahi-autoipd seems to have gotten me some useful google results... unless someone knows off the top of their heads I'll continue researching |
| 18:05.57 | teraflops | AlexLikeRock: I'm not going to click ramdon links from you :P |
| 18:06.29 | AlexLikeRock | teraflops, you must read it ;-) |
| 18:07.02 | greycat | See, that's why I use a terminal browser for unsolicited IRC crap. |
| 18:08.15 | greycat | Even if it turns out to be porn filth spam, it probably isn't *textual* porn filth spam, so I'm at least moderately safe. |
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| 18:09.35 | teraflops | nah I just don t click :P |
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| 18:10.09 | JordiGH | It's just Linus complaining about binary logging in systemd. |
| 18:10.12 | jmcnaught | teraflops: lkml.org is the linux kernel mailing list. that link is Linus trolling about binary journals in systemd, |
| 18:10.22 | teraflops | sometimes a url grabber powered bot helps a bit |
| 18:10.30 | greycat | I'd consider it "commenting" rather than "trolling". |
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| 18:11.16 | teraflops | jmcnaught: I know the domain it's just a joke with that user I already know |
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| 18:14.44 | Ademan-laptop | OK so /etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf has a deny-interfaces value, which I can use to make avahi "ignore" eth0. Great, maybe. Except the man page doesn't explain what it means for avahi-daemon to "ignore" the interface... anyone happen to know? |
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| 18:17.14 | jmcnaught | Ademan-laptop: do you sometimes use ethernet or almost never? If you never use it you could put an entry for it in /etc/network/interfaces and network manager will ignore it |
| 18:18.23 | Ademan-laptop | jmcnaught: thanks. there's already an entry actually. NetworkManager doesn't appear to be the one raising eth0, I have tried making NetworkManager ignore it, and not ignore it. |
| 18:19.00 | moozer | I want to built a binary debian package, so I clone the source package git tree: https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-multimedia/obs-studio.git |
| 18:19.17 | Ademan-laptop | from my syslog entries like: Apr 27 11:09:07 SparkMandrill avahi-autoipd(eth0)[12421]: Callout BIND, address 169.254.12.173 on interface eth0 |
| 18:19.19 | moozer | And I get "no upstream tarball found" |
| 18:19.30 | Ademan-laptop | I think avahi-autoipd may be the culprit |
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| 18:19.38 | moozer | how do you use the git repos? |
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| 18:19.56 | jmcnaught | Ademan-laptop: what does the entry in interfaces say? is it auto? |
| 18:20.31 | Ademan-laptop | that deny-interfaces in avahi-autoipd.conf value *seems* to have worked, I don't know enough about avahi to know if I've now broken something else, but I think not |
| 18:20.37 | Ademan-laptop | jmcnaught: iirc yes, one moment |
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| 18:21.20 | Ademan-laptop | "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and "iface eth0 inet auto" |
| 18:21.34 | Ademan-laptop | inet6 auto* |
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| 18:22.56 | jmcnaught | Ademan-laptop: i meant do you have an "auto eth0" line? also does /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf say "managed=false" ? |
| 18:23.17 | Ademan-laptop | jmcnaught: I've tried both values in NetworkManager.conf |
| 18:23.24 | Ademan-laptop | both true and false* |
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| 18:24.59 | Ademan-laptop | jmcnaught: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/441ba263c8d05f0dfd7dccf5d9f514e5 only an 'allow-hotplug eth0' |
| 18:25.20 | Ademan-laptop | /etc/network/interfaces.d is empty |
| 18:25.45 | jmcnaught | adapter: false means "NetworkManager doesn't manage interfaces defined in /e/n/interfaces" and is the default |
| 18:25.55 | Ademan-laptop | right |
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| 18:26.19 | Ademan-laptop | the problem occurred with both values |
| 18:26.41 | Ademan-laptop | that's why I assume NetworkManager wasn't the one raising eth0 |
| 18:27.39 | jmcnaught | Ademan-laptop: i also don't know why eth0 is getting raised, maybe it's got a buggy driver that is falsely detecting link? have you tried commenting out the "allow-hotplug eth0" line? |
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| 18:29.51 | Ademan-laptop | jmcnaught: I can give that a try, the avahi conf seems to have worked, but it might not be the root cause |
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| 18:35.04 | gr8 | currently, I have only one user and I can edit the NetworkManager connections at will. I would like it to ask for the root password first, before allowing of changing connections. |
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| 18:35.12 | gr8 | my desktop is XFCE |
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| 18:35.26 | smev9 | Quite new to debian (jessie). My question: python-cffi-backend depends on libffi5, but is not installable. How can I interpret that message and what are my options? |
| 18:38.23 | jmcnaught | gr8: is that user a member of the netdev group? remove them from that group |
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| 18:38.39 | Iridos | smev9, there is no python-cffi-backend in jessie |
| 18:39.07 | Iridos | judd, versions python-cffi-backend |
| 18:39.08 | judd | Package: python-cffi-backend on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.4.2-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.5.2-1+b1; sid: 1.5.2-1+b1 |
| 18:39.20 | Iridos | judd, versions libffi5 |
| 18:39.21 | judd | Package: libffi5 on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.0.9-3; wheezy: 3.0.10-3 |
| 18:39.32 | Iridos | and there is no libffi5 since squeeze |
| 18:39.59 | Iridos | the python-cffi-backend in backports depends on libffi6 (>= 3.0.4) |
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| 18:40.12 | gr8 | jmcnaught: thanks! I guess I have to re-login to make this effective? |
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| 18:41.14 | Iridos | smev9, that maybe means you have some wheezy repos left over in your sources.list... or some other non-jessie repo |
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| 18:43.05 | smev9 | hm. Only "jessie", "-/updates" and "-updates" (main) in my sources.list ... |
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| 18:44.18 | gr8 | jmcnaught: did not work. Now my user is not in the netdev group, but I can still edit the network settings. |
| 18:44.20 | smev9 | But, there is something. in sources.d I have a mopidy.list that seems to point to wheezy packages. I will look into this, then |
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| 18:44.46 | Iridos | you can also show the output of apt-cache policy in a pastebin (or look at it yourself) |
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| 18:45.07 | Iridos | but yeah... sources list and sources.list.d/* are much easier to read than apt-cache policy |
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| 18:47.21 | smev9 | Just changed wheezy to jessie there and works! Thanks a lot. I was beeing a bit rash/stupid. |
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| 18:48.21 | jmcnaught | gr8: ahh... did you read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian? Members of the sudo group can also change n-m config |
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| 18:51.40 | gr8 | jmcnaught: perfect! that did it =) |
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| 18:54.00 | c1b3r | Hi everybody |
| 18:54.06 | gr8 | hello my friend |
| 18:54.18 | c1b3r | I's testing the chromium browser |
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| 18:54.32 | c1b3r | and trying to figure it out how to set the proxy server socks |
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| 18:56.41 | c1b3r | I've test several options |
| 18:56.42 | c1b3r | like |
| 18:56.44 | c1b3r | https://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/network-stack/socks-proxy |
| 18:56.56 | c1b3r | and it isn't working |
| 18:58.01 | c1b3r | If I apply the same setting to my iceweasel or mozilla browser it works like a charm |
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| 18:58.04 | c1b3r | I don't know Why ? |
| 18:58.11 | c1b3r | Advice? |
| 18:58.16 | gr8 | is there no chromium channel? |
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| 18:58.26 | c1b3r | I don't know |
| 18:58.46 | gr8 | #chromium |
| 18:58.48 | c1b3r | But I'm running chromium with Debian last version |
| 18:58.48 | gr8 | try it there |
| 18:59.03 | c1b3r | Ok, Thanks I'll try |
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| 19:03.35 | Pr0metheus | i am trying to run a simple program i compiled on an ntfs filesystem. I mounted the ntfs volume using umask=027, but when i try to execute it even as root i get "permission denied", any idea on this? |
| 19:04.07 | somiaj | Pr0metheus: check the mount, the ntfs driver might be mounted 'noexec' |
| 19:04.08 | greycat | Is it mounted with "noexec" or "user"? That would prevent executions. |
| 19:04.34 | Pr0metheus | auto nodev,user,rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=027,x-gvfs-show 0 0 |
| 19:05.12 | greycat | the "user" flag implies noexec. |
| 19:05.26 | Pr0metheus | should i include also the exec flag? |
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| 19:09.24 | Pr0metheus | oh well i included noexec, time to restart |
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| 19:12.19 | Pr0metheus | ok thanks, exec worked:) |
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| 19:38.11 | BadCodSmell | I have a single deb package that replaces several packages built from one source. In the control file, how do I tell it to replace those files and satisfy their dependencies? |
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| 20:02.07 | JyZyXEL | % sudo apt-get install audacious/sid |
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| 20:02.09 | JyZyXEL | [286067.243071] apt-get[11933]: segfault at 7fc79bd96d10 ip 00007fad67b98aed sp 00007fffec39a6f0 error 4 in libapt-pkg.so |
| 20:02.11 | JyZyXEL | .4.12.0[7fad67ad5000+168000] |
| 20:02.52 | greycat | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg unstable |
| 20:03.05 | JyZyXEL | this is on stable |
| 20:03.26 | greycat | Which part of "/sid" is in your stable? |
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| 20:03.46 | JyZyXEL | just the package that im wanting to install |
| 20:03.51 | greycat | !frankendebian |
| 20:03.52 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 20:03.53 | userino | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.01 | greycat | You CANNOT mix jessie and sid binary pacakges like that. |
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| 20:05.07 | JyZyXEL | *shrug* i thought it was possible to install some packages from sid |
| 20:05.11 | greycat | No. |
| 20:05.33 | greycat | You can install jessie-backports, or you can create your own backports from SOURCE code in sid. Never binaries. |
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| 20:06.18 | ven00m | it possible |
| 20:06.32 | ven00m | i did that |
| 20:06.38 | JyZyXEL | im quite certain it is possible yeah |
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| 20:07.01 | greycat | If you *got away with it* once upon a time, you were simply lucky. |
| 20:07.10 | ven00m | deb with depends |
| 20:07.12 | greycat | The result is an unsupportable broken mess. |
| 20:07.36 | JyZyXEL | some packages don't pull any deps with em |
| 20:07.43 | greycat | And JyZyXEL at least has been here long enough to KNOW BETTER. This is a n00b move. |
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| 20:07.59 | JyZyXEL | those seem to generally be easily upgradeable |
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| 20:09.39 | JyZyXEL | for example i got shorewall pinned from unstable on a Debian 7.0 machine and it works just fine |
| 20:09.53 | greycat | Stop doing that, or you are going to break your shit even worse than you already have. |
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| 20:10.14 | JyZyXEL | the author himself told me to do it :D |
| 20:10.22 | greycat | ,v shorewall |
| 20:10.23 | judd | Package: shorewall on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.4.11.6-3+squeeze1; wheezy: 4.5.5.3-3; jessie: 4.6.4.3-2; sid: 5.0.7.2-1; stretch: 5.0.7.2-1 |
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| 20:10.36 | greycat | I would have done an sbb for it, since there isn't already one. |
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| 20:10.46 | greycat | ssb* |
| 20:11.24 | JyZyXEL | i had no idea about the binary compatibility issue |
| 20:11.35 | greycat | !simple sid backport |
| 20:11.35 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 20:15.31 | zh1 | greycat, apt-get -t jessie-backports update && apt-get -t jessie-backports upgrade && apt-get -t jessie-backports dist-upgrade -y, will that still bring backports without sid lines? |
| 20:15.55 | greycat | There's nothing siddish in there. |
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| 20:17.54 | markybob3 | you probably don't want to dist-upgrade to jessie-backports though |
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| 20:23.41 | Iridos | zh1, that completely defeats the purpose of debian stable |
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| 20:26.19 | Iridos | markybob, he... it's actually not *so* bad, because not so many packages go into backports... and mostly packages with a high demand for a newer version |
| 20:26.31 | Iridos | i.e. leaf packages and their dependencies for newer libs |
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| 20:27.07 | Iridos | well, still some scary stuff in there |
| 20:27.12 | markybob | i'm aware goofball :P |
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| 20:27.23 | Iridos | libglib2.0-bin |
| 20:28.33 | Iridos | some mesa/X stuff and libpulse0 |
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| 20:30.04 | greycat | No cowsay backports?! How will we survive? |
| 20:30.37 | TomTomTosch | that stays bleeding-edge through pip. |
| 20:30.37 | Iridos | also: I cannot live one more day without the very newest beta version of ls! |
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| 20:31.15 | greycat | Recent GNU coreutils added a surprising new default behavior to ls. All the Arch users in #bash were panicking. |
| 20:32.38 | Iridos | hehe... what is it |
| 20:33.03 | greycat | Some new shell-quoting style for displaying filenames, which is enabled by default when stdout is a terminal. |
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| 20:33.40 | Ali2 | Hello |
| 20:33.48 | Iridos | oh, think I remember ... at least part of that |
| 20:33.52 | Ali2 | guys I wanna ask u how important is VT -d feature in laptop? |
| 20:33.54 | Ali2 | for vmware |
| 20:34.18 | TomTomTosch | Ali2: important if you want to run 64bit. |
| 20:34.30 | towo` | no |
| 20:34.43 | Ali2 | like? |
| 20:34.43 | towo` | vmware does not need vt-d for 64bit |
| 20:35.05 | TomTomTosch | oh, nvm. |
| 20:35.06 | Ali2 | because I am gonna buy laptop but its processor is 3610qm and doesnt support vt -d |
| 20:35.07 | towo` | vmware does not need vt-d at all, since there is no pci-passthrough in vmware |
| 20:35.09 | Ali2 | so I am worried |
| 20:35.30 | towo` | and for vmware even vt-x is not needed for 64bit guests |
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| 20:35.51 | Ali2 | really |
| 20:36.13 | Ali2 | but in my old laptop without enabling vt on bios |
| 20:36.16 | Ali2 | vmware gives error |
| 20:36.47 | Iridos | then you probably want to enable it |
| 20:37.04 | Ali2 | yea |
| 20:37.18 | Ali2 | but I am asking whether I should go for laptop which doesnt support VT -d |
| 20:37.20 | Ali2 | or not |
| 20:37.27 | Ali2 | it has vt-x |
| 20:37.33 | Ali2 | but doesnt support vt -d |
| 20:37.34 | towo` | again, vmware does not need vt-d |
| 20:37.36 | Ali2 | it has 3610qm |
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| 20:38.12 | Ali2 | ok |
| 20:38.14 | Ali2 | thats cool |
| 20:38.14 | towo` | and since vmware is propritary, and not in debian, it's probaply the wrong channel, you ask |
| 20:38.16 | Ali2 | u sure mate? |
| 20:38.41 | Ali2 | No no I wanna run vmware for other OS's |
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| 20:38.50 | towo` | and? |
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| 20:39.01 | Ali2 | so I am afraid if I will have any issues |
| 20:39.04 | Ali2 | with speed or I/O |
| 20:39.09 | Ali2 | with VT -d disabled |
| 20:39.15 | towo` | boa |
| 20:39.15 | Ali2 | as it doesnt support that feature |
| 20:39.28 | towo` | vmware can't use vt-d at all |
| 20:39.36 | Ali2 | oh |
| 20:39.40 | Ali2 | so what exactly is vt -d |
| 20:39.43 | Ali2 | I am quite confused |
| 20:39.48 | Ali2 | would u mind explaining it to me |
| 20:39.49 | Ali2 | thanks :) |
| 20:39.49 | towo` | so it doesn't matter if your hardware does have vt-d or not |
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| 20:40.50 | TomTomTosch | it allows you for example to pss through pci cards in vmware. sry for the confusion earlier, it's a bit late. |
| 20:40.56 | TomTomTosch | s/pss/pass |
| 20:41.12 | Ali2 | so Tom |
| 20:41.19 | Ali2 | would it matter if my laptop doesnt have this feature |
| 20:41.30 | Ali2 | and I intend to use multiple OSes in VM |
| 20:41.32 | Ali2 | ? |
| 20:41.53 | TomTomTosch | no, towo` didn't lie. |
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| 20:42.10 | Ali2 | yea |
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| 20:42.13 | towo` | vmware does not support pci passthrough |
| 20:42.15 | Ali2 | I am just confirming |
| 20:42.25 | Ali2 | before buying the laptop |
| 20:42.41 | towo` | that's why it doesnt matter, if the hardware has vt-d or not |
| 20:42.51 | Ali2 | alright so thanks to you both its cleared to me that I can buy that laptop :) |
| 20:43.05 | Ali2 | one more question is |
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| 20:43.22 | Ali2 | u think 6700HQ ( Skylake ) is worth over Ivy Bridge ( 3610qm )? |
| 20:43.28 | TomTomTosch | towo`: i meant VMDirectPath, which you need vt -d for. |
| 20:43.31 | Ali2 | both are quadcores |
| 20:44.07 | Ali2 | whats VMDirectPath? |
| 20:44.10 | Ali2 | is it useful feature? |
| 20:44.15 | ryouma | i have 2 kernels, the default jessie one and the backports one. when i upgrade one of them, the other breaks and throws me into an initrd prompt. is there a trick to preventing this? |
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| 20:46.08 | Ali2 | so Tom |
| 20:46.15 | Ali2 | I should go ahead for that processor right? |
| 20:46.26 | Ali2 | for running multiple VM's at once |
| 20:46.34 | TomTomTosch | yes, it's fine. |
| 20:46.42 | Ali2 | thanks alot :) |
| 20:46.46 | Ali2 | and one more question is |
| 20:46.49 | Ali2 | should I get skylake |
| 20:46.52 | Ali2 | over this |
| 20:46.52 | Ali2 | ? |
| 20:46.56 | Ali2 | for laptop |
| 20:47.01 | Iridos | ryouma, how can you "upgrade one of them" |
| 20:47.06 | greycat | 16:47 Ignoring ALL from ali2 |
| 20:47.12 | greycat | Christ on a crutch. |
| 20:47.18 | Ali2 | what? |
| 20:47.25 | greycat | !enter |
| 20:47.25 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:47.37 | Iridos | Ali2, there's perfectly fine punctuation symbols that can take the place of enter |
| 20:47.54 | Ali2 | Sorry |
| 20:47.55 | Ali2 | my bad |
| 20:48.10 | Saar | I think those were too many words to understand |
| 20:48.29 | Ali2 | I just need a suggestion from you guys |
| 20:48.39 | Ali2 | thats why asked you |
| 20:48.41 | Ali2 | :( |
| 20:48.46 | Ali2 | thanks Tom |
| 20:48.58 | Iridos | Saar, it can be a bit confusing in the beginning when you line them up like that ... into sentences and stuff |
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| 20:51.41 | dax | Ali2: Skylake mobile has power management issues. |
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| 20:52.03 | dax | https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html is about right |
| 20:52.17 | dax | (note: the title there says Skylake. He means mobile Skylake specifically) |
| 20:53.20 | ryouma | Iridos: i run "aptitude update; aptitude upgrade". then, debian sends me new versions of one of them. it does this because there are security updates. this is a pretty normal thing on jessie. |
| 20:53.28 | Saar | Iridos: I agree, I meant the dpkg explanation was too many words for some to understand ;-) |
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| 21:00.35 | Iridos | ryouma, I don't see how that's possible... they don't really depend on each other so much |
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| 21:01.20 | Iridos | what you describe would mean one kernel breaks something in the making of e.g. the initramfs of the other |
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| 21:04.10 | Iridos | ryouma, if it's a problem mainly with initramfs, you could see what happens when you do update-initramfs -k <version> for both |
| 21:04.20 | Iridos | perhaps they share some file they shouldn't |
| 21:04.47 | Iridos | also... look in bugs.debian.org/ if someone reported this behavior |
| 21:05.15 | Iridos | the packages in backports aren't as such different from those in testing/unstable |
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| 21:07.32 | Iridos | it nearly sounds like you soft/hard-linked /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 with /boot/initrd.img-<whatever backports>-amd64 |
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| 21:08.23 | ryouma | i did not soft or hard link anything. i ran into the same problem when upgrading from pretty vanilla wheezy to jessie. the initramfs gets screwed up. |
| 21:08.37 | greycat | ?? |
| 21:08.53 | greycat | what is a 'pretty vanilla wheezy'? |
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| 21:09.34 | ryouma | it's really a cascade of problems. the error message is incomprehensible because it is cut off says ALERT! but the whole message is not there. and it gets unreadable becasue every few seconds a message pops up about usb even when i am at the initramfs prompt. |
| 21:09.41 | sufi_schmetterli | hi there :) |
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| 21:10.16 | sufi_schmetterli | what differs the transison freeze, from soft freeze and freeze, please? |
| 21:10.26 | ryouma | i generally avoid low level stuff because it breaks in ways that take forever to debug and fix |
| 21:10.26 | sufi_schmetterli | transision |
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| 21:12.18 | greycat | sufi_schmetterli: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/03/msg00000.html |
| 21:12.42 | sufi_schmetterli | it may be senseful, to make it available on the homepage? |
| 21:12.55 | sufi_schmetterli | cant find it on the search box |
| 21:13.00 | sufi_schmetterli | thanks a lot :) |
| 21:13.11 | greycat | To make what available? Internal details of the debian developer committees and emails? |
| 21:13.39 | sufi_schmetterli | the knowlegde about things, which get named on official release notes? |
| 21:13.54 | greycat | such as...? |
| 21:14.33 | greycat | Also, there is a typo in that email. Or at least I think it's a typo. If it's not a typo, it's even more hilarious. |
| 21:14.37 | sufi_schmetterli | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
| 21:14.47 | sufi_schmetterli | what? |
| 21:15.02 | greycat | That's a wiki page. You can edit it to say anything you like. (Of course, if you abuse that, people may become upset with you.) |
| 21:15.22 | greycat | check the dates of the '"Soft" freeze' and the 'Full freeze' |
| 21:16.17 | greycat | (Corrected in the next email, so yeah, 'twas a typo.) |
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| 21:18.48 | sufi_schmetterli | greycat: do you think, its senseful to confront the people with unclear names and suggest them later, to edit the source of that info, without clear the situation before? :P |
| 21:19.46 | ShalokShalom | i repeat myself partly: what differs the transision freeze from freeze, please? |
| 21:20.32 | greycat | edits https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch for you. |
| 21:20.51 | Iridos | ryouma, I don't see anything in the bug pages of linux-image... but a couple of things that might possibly apply here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=initramfs-tools;archive=both |
| 21:20.53 | ShalokShalom | fine thanks |
| 21:21.00 | greycat | repeats myself: it's a wiki page. You can edit it to say whatever you like. |
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| 21:21.38 | Iridos | ryouma, (version in jessie is 0.120) |
| 21:21.45 | JyZyXEL | % apt-get -b unstable audacious |
| 21:21.47 | JyZyXEL | E: Command line option 'b' [from -b] is not known. |
| 21:22.18 | JyZyXEL | da faq, i swear it was in the manual |
| 21:22.20 | ShalokShalom | so, no transision freeze anymore? |
| 21:22.29 | greycat | !tell JyZyXEL about simple sid backport |
| 21:22.40 | greycat | You misspelled "source" as "unstable" somehow. |
| 21:22.46 | ShalokShalom | to make it more clear: when will you freeze the kf5 Stack? |
| 21:23.10 | ShalokShalom | i mean source |
| 21:23.14 | JyZyXEL | oh crap, i thought it meant to replace it with source |
| 21:23.22 | ShalokShalom | source = wiki page |
| 21:23.25 | ShalokShalom | ah, ok |
| 21:23.33 | ShalokShalom | other person :) |
| 21:23.37 | greycat | The transition freeze and the soft freeze are the same thing. One was written as 2015-11-05 and then the email said everything was deferred exactly two months and the "Soft" freeze was 2017-01-15. QED. |
| 21:23.38 | JyZyXEL | damn that was confusing |
| 21:23.41 | JyZyXEL | on so many levels |
| 21:23.55 | ShalokShalom | aha, ok |
| 21:24.00 | ShalokShalom | so the wiki was wrong before |
| 21:24.03 | ShalokShalom | thanks a lot |
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| 21:24.09 | greycat | No, it was out of date. |
| 21:24.16 | greycat | It had the pre-march-3rd dates. |
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| 21:24.24 | greycat | Why is everyone so stupid? |
| 21:24.25 | ShalokShalom | this is the next debian release and nobody seems to care about its wiki page? |
| 21:24.31 | ShalokShalom | next then us both :P |
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| 21:25.43 | Iridos | ShalokShalom, anyone can edit the wiki after registering |
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| 21:25.48 | ShalokShalom | yeah |
| 21:26.02 | Iridos | so feel free |
| 21:26.16 | ShalokShalom | i am just a kindly user, who wants to hint the community about a outdated wiki page :) |
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| 21:26.30 | Iridos | I am also just a kindly user |
| 21:26.54 | ShalokShalom | and it looks like a casual debian page |
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| 21:27.10 | ShalokShalom | only the url shows that its a wiki |
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| 21:27.21 | TomTomTosch | but the community fixed it now, didn't she? |
| 21:27.32 | ShalokShalom | (o.o)oO so where is the difference, essentially? |
| 21:27.42 | Iridos | TomTomTosch, I guess she must... though the hand of ShalokShalom |
| 21:27.43 | greycat | Only the url, and the words "Debian Wiki" across the top, and the "Edit" links, and .... |
| 21:27.44 | ShalokShalom | TomTomTosch: she did, yeah :) |
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| 21:28.05 | ShalokShalom | greycat: i am just a stupid user, you know? |
| 21:28.22 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch?action=diff&rev2=11&rev1=10 |
| 21:28.26 | greycat | ^ difference. |
| 21:28.39 | ShalokShalom | such people dont look at things like a 9 pixel large edit link ^^ |
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| 21:29.59 | ShalokShalom | what people think, that a wiki looks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 21:30.02 | ShalokShalom | imho |
| 21:30.10 | ShalokShalom | think = expect |
| 21:30.20 | ShalokShalom | so i dont say, this is sane, of these people :) |
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| 21:30.45 | greycat | There's more than one wiki engine in the world. |
| 21:30.51 | ShalokShalom | yep |
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| 21:31.03 | ShalokShalom | much fun |
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| 21:31.10 | greycat | They don't all look exactly like Wikipedia/Mediawiki. |
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| 22:01.32 | justatemp123 | hey. I am trying to use a 4in1 card reader. It is properly detected, 4 scsi removable discs are made, but when i try to mount the one i have my card in, it says no medium found |
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| 22:06.44 | somiaj | justatemp123: what does demsg say when you push the card in the reader? |
| 22:06.55 | justatemp123 | nothing :( |
| 22:07.08 | justatemp123 | is the reader fkt? |
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| 22:17.04 | Gaming4JC | Is there any reason why php-fpm would be dying unexpectedly on a debian server? Since this has happened twice I think it may be some sort of attack |
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| 22:23.16 | Gaming4JC | tada... https://serverfault.com/questions/725919/preventing-php-fpm-from-crashing-under-light-load |
| 22:23.22 | Gaming4JC | some idiot script kiddie no doubt |
| 22:24.36 | tim54 | hi, is it possible to use set an socket proxy for apt-get? And if so, hoe can I do it? |
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| 22:26.41 | alesan | hello, I need to make a backup of a system, and I was trying to "trim" things that can be reconstructed |
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| 22:27.22 | alesan | for example, stuff in var/lib/dpkg and var/lib/apt |
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| 22:30.00 | justatemp123 | there are proxy wrappers |
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| 22:30.19 | justatemp123 | that you can call a command from within those |
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| 22:31.46 | alesan | yeah but for example |
| 22:31.54 | alesan | var/lib/dpkg is 15MB |
| 22:31.59 | markybob | it's also the very first google search result for "socks proxy apt-get" |
| 22:32.01 | alesan | var/lib/apt is 53MB |
| 22:32.05 | markybob | alesan: did you even try? |
| 22:32.25 | alesan | maybe I did not convey what I am trying to do |
| 22:32.25 | markybob | alesan: we expect you to find it if it's the first result |
| 22:32.53 | alesan | maybe you are making wrong assumptions |
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| 22:33.41 | alesan | because if you mention a proxy, you are trying to solve an issue completely orthogonal to what I was trying to explain |
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| 22:36.10 | markybob | tim54: that was meant for you. i used alesan's nick by mistake |
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| 22:55.55 | Lugh | hi! I'm going to buy a new PC (desktop). Which dedicated graphics card do you recommend? I want to use an open source driver (no proprietary drivers and no proprietary firmware) |
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| 22:58.55 | Lugh | I'm running debian testing |
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| 23:01.07 | Lugh | so nobody uses graphic cards here? ohhhhhhhhh what a surprise... |
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| 23:03.00 | mtn | Lugh: if you want simple, get a machine with intel graphics |
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| 23:03.52 | Lugh | mtn: Thanks, but as I already said, I want a dedicated graphics card, not a integrated one... |
| 23:04.18 | mtn | Lugh: I know what you said. I was pointing out that none of the dedicated options is simple |
| 23:04.26 | arahael | Lugh: intel ones are pretty good these days. it's not integrated in the same ways they used to be. |
| 23:05.04 | jmcnaught | Lugh: you can't always get what you want. radeon and amdgpu drivers mostly require firmware blobs. even the newest intel gpus do too. not sure what the performance of the nouveau driver is like. |
| 23:05.10 | Lugh | ok, but I really need a dedicated one... |
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| 23:05.27 | Lugh | nouveau is terrible :( |
| 23:05.39 | arahael | Lugh: rather than being a crappy card built into the motherboard, these are literally part of the CPU, and are impressively fast. preferred for laptops, even, as they're enery efficient. |
| 23:05.47 | jmcnaught | Lugh: you might need to compromise and accept a non-free firmware |
| 23:05.53 | markybob | Lugh: and you said no proprietary. so it's not easy to answer. |
| 23:06.06 | markybob | Lugh: most of us go the intel route |
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| 23:06.52 | Lugh | jmcnaught: thank you for you information... I think I can live with the firmware blobs... not the ideal situation, but I can live with that as long as I can use a open source driver... |
| 23:07.56 | arahael | Lugh: in that case intel is _still_ the best option. nvidia with nouveau is also good, but intel is better for other reasons. |
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| 23:08.58 | arahael | failing that, you might try your luck with *older* ati cards, but you'd need to research them. |
| 23:09.01 | Lugh | jmcnaught: That's it! I will compromise and respect your advice. I think I'll buy a dedicated AMD graphics card and just use the open source radeon or amdgpu drivers |
| 23:09.35 | arahael | blegh. wih ati/amd, just beware. research the card. |
| 23:09.52 | arahael | *with |
| 23:10.24 | arahael | Lugh: you could always use intel and reserve the option to add a dedicated card later. |
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| 23:11.49 | Lugh | jmcnaught: markybob : what would you recommend? an AMD graphics card that works with the open source radeon driver or an AMD graphics card that works with the open source amdgpu driver? |
| 23:11.52 | teraflops | you wont even need any xserver-xorg-video* for your intel gpu if it is new enough. that's what I call ease of use |
| 23:12.14 | Lugh | arahael: that's a great advice too |
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| 23:13.02 | markybob | i'd get intel. then you can buy one, try it, see if it works, if it doesn't, return it, try again, repeat. |
| 23:13.59 | jmcnaught | the ##hardware channel is probably worth asking |
| 23:14.15 | Lugh | markybob: so in order to use an Intel integrated card the motherboard must be Intel... right? |
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| 23:14.46 | markybob | Lugh: no. msi, etc, a bunch of brands have it. |
| 23:15.04 | Lugh | markybob: asus as it too? |
| 23:15.32 | markybob | Lugh: i don't know asus for a fact but i'd bet a beer |
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| 23:16.36 | arahael | Lugh: it's literally embedded into the CPU. |
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| 23:17.06 | arahael | which works wonders for low latency. |
| 23:17.09 | markybob | yep, asus does support intel |
| 23:17.21 | Lugh | markybob: thanks. I will see if asus has it |
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| 23:17.22 | jmcnaught | having a GPU on the same die as the GPU does you no good if there are no video ports on the motherboard |
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| 23:17.29 | tables | does debian bootcd have internet set up already? |
| 23:17.35 | arahael | jmcnaught: indeed. |
| 23:18.16 | Lugh | arahael: thanks... if I go Intel I'll choose an integrated card build on the CPU and not on the motherboard |
| 23:18.30 | jmcnaught | tables: which bootcd are you talking about? |
| 23:18.32 | Lugh | one last question: if I choose to buy a AB |
| 23:19.01 | arahael | AB? |
| 23:19.09 | markybob | i don't know what that is either |
| 23:19.23 | Lugh | one last question: if I choose to buy a AMD card, which is the better option? on that works with the radeon driver or one that works with the amdgpu driver? |
| 23:19.41 | arahael | Lugh: you need to ensure that the motherboard supoorts intel graphics. |
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| 23:20.53 | jmcnaught | tables: most if not all debian cds have tools to let you connect to the internet. Are you trying to install Debian? Are you using a LiveCD? |
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| 23:22.08 | markybob | Lugh: from everything i've read amdgpu is better. never used it. |
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| 23:22.59 | Lugh | arahael: I think I'll buy a motherboard with am Intel graphics card build on the CPU, but that allows me to add a dedicated graphics card... and maybe I'll ass a AMD graphics later |
| 23:23.21 | Lugh | markybob: thanks for tha information about the amdgpu |
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| 23:24.02 | arahael | Lugh: go for it then. also note that traditionally, nvidia was better than ati for a long, long time, on linux. |
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| 23:25.45 | Lugh | arahael: I think it's no longer the case... it's getting more and more difficult to use open source drivers with nvidia... |
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| 23:28.50 | arahael | Lugh: that would surprise me. |
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| 23:29.51 | machinehum | This is a new problem, just install Deb 8 x64 and my ctrl/alt don't work - they seem to have the same effect as holding shift |
| 23:29.59 | machinehum | new for me anyways |
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| 23:36.24 | gry | machinehum, fresh install or you just upgraded? |
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| 23:36.59 | CoreyFeldman | hey guys, not sure where to go for help on this. I've been using Putty with Ttytter a long time to fire out automatic tweets and all of a sudden today, putty fails sending the tweets... if i login to my box and send ttytter status with the exact same command line it works, but it says that the password or login are failed when it does it from a putty command |
| 23:37.00 | CoreyFeldman | line, any reason why that would just start happening in the last day or so? |
| 23:37.28 | CoreyFeldman | I know this isnt tech support, just can't figure out who to talk to about this. |
| 23:38.10 | arahael | CoreyFeldman: maybe ask Ttytter? |
| 23:38.21 | CoreyFeldman | right probably should |
| 23:38.39 | CoreyFeldman | just cant find an email address |
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| 23:42.37 | Gaming4JC | crap, it's a more serious DDoS and just took my site down again. le sigh. |
| 23:42.49 | Gaming4JC | at least it's known https://wordpress.org/support/topic/resolving-xmlrpcphp-ddos-attack-with-htaccess-redirect |
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