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| 00:02.17 | epsilon | do you use static ip or dhcp? |
| 00:03.25 | gorillas | embarrassed to say not sure. basic wired desktop if that helps. |
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| 00:06.09 | debby | hi |
| 00:06.25 | debby | so during apt-get update, I get this: Err http://httpredir.debian.org wheezy-backports/main amd64 Packages 404 Not Found |
| 00:06.26 | debby | why? |
| 00:06.30 | debby | :O |
| 00:06.34 | debby | it doesn't seem wrong to me |
| 00:07.21 | gorillas | space instead of / between .org and wheezy? |
| 00:07.55 | gorillas | nm ignore me |
| 00:09.37 | debby | hm |
| 00:09.46 | debby | gorillas: why? :O have they taken down the mirror? |
| 00:09.46 | debby | :/ |
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| 00:10.34 | gorillas | debby: No, I just shouldn't be offering advice at the moment. |
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| 00:11.42 | gorillas | epsilon: iirc, neither resolveconf nor network-manager are installed or running |
| 00:12.13 | debby | hmm, httpredir could be the culprit |
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| 00:13.41 | pencilandpaper | debby: It should be like this: deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
| 00:14.20 | debby | oh |
| 00:14.30 | debby | so 'wheezy-backports/main' is wrong because of the '/' ? |
| 00:14.31 | debby | :O |
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| 00:14.49 | pencilandpaper | Yes debby , and be sure to place the deb in front of the url address. |
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| 00:16.10 | epsilon | gorillas: what does your /etc/network/interfaces say? |
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| 00:17.38 | deznuts | Sometimes when I plug in earphones my Debian xfce Jessie my computer bugs |
| 00:18.11 | deznuts | Can't open anything and audio doesn't work |
| 00:18.20 | deznuts | What gives |
| 00:18.39 | pencilandpaper | gorillas: are you using any addons in iceweasel, also is your browser giving any errors? |
| 00:18.59 | gorillas | epsilon: # interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8) |
| 00:18.59 | gorillas | auto lo |
| 00:18.59 | gorillas | iface lo inet loopback |
| 00:19.16 | bazhang | deznuts, what are you assigning with pavucontrol / padevchooser |
| 00:19.38 | epsilon | gorillas: /sbin/ifconfig ? |
| 00:19.55 | epsilon | if you have ip & default route |
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| 00:20.30 | gorillas | pencilandpaper: googlechrome(w/ adblock, ghostery) browser says DNS_Probe_Finished_Bad_Config most every time |
| 00:20.43 | deznuts | How do I see that |
| 00:21.06 | bazhang | deznuts, by installing them and checking |
| 00:21.22 | pencilandpaper | Ok, have you tried running chrome from terminal gorillas, and then going a url just to see what it says in terminal? |
| 00:23.29 | gorillas | pencilandpaper: no I didn't, adding that to the list of things to look into. I'm on LinuxMint atm, dual boot. |
| 00:23.40 | gorillas | epsilon: http://pastebin.com/h8zkMe8B |
| 00:24.05 | pencilandpaper | Ok cool gorillas . |
| 00:24.22 | epsilon | gorillas: and your /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 00:25.45 | pencilandpaper | Brb..I'm going to go and restart real quick. |
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| 00:26.36 | gorillas | epsilon: Interesting. So I mounted my debian system while in LinuxMint to get the info for you. Normally that files is always totally blank whenever I've looked at it while troubleshooting this issue. But here is it's contents now. http://pastebin.com/QK8S413N |
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| 00:30.27 | epsilon | thats the issue, 127.x.x.x is localhost |
| 00:31.35 | gorillas | ok, so how can I figure out what program is writing to resolv.conf? |
| 00:31.42 | epsilon | well your interfaces is empty but you have an ip, so you have something running dhcp, similar to network-manager. and if you get 127.0.1.1 from your dhcp-server, it's misconfigured |
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| 00:33.21 | epsilon | if you write "nameserver 8.8.8.8", you have normal internet (until next reboot) |
| 00:33.37 | epsilon | in resolv.conf, for insta solution |
| 00:33.48 | gorillas | haven't been able to successfully do that. |
| 00:33.58 | gorillas | It seems to get overwritten immediately? |
| 00:34.34 | gorillas | it appears to let me save, but I can never see the edits. |
| 00:34.59 | somiaj | gorillas: what program are you using to configure your network? |
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| 00:35.55 | pencilandpaper | That doesn't do anything in terminal gorillas , so that won't do you any good. |
| 00:36.10 | gorillas | somiaj: no idea :( whatever I likely installed in a minimal debian install |
| 00:36.16 | gorillas | pencilandpaper: ok. |
| 00:36.30 | gorillas | networking not my strong suit |
| 00:37.10 | epsilon | I would take a look on dhcp-server if it's delivering 127.0.1.1 |
| 00:37.26 | epsilon | your mashine sounds fine to me |
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| 00:37.56 | qmr | gorillas: yea, it bugs me. the hand shaking, the fake "how are you" bullshit, the desperate exchange of contact information |
| 00:38.48 | gorillas | qmr: people who still have business cards? |
| 00:39.00 | qmr | they're out there |
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| 00:42.20 | gorillas | epsilon: thanks for your help, not sure how to "look on dhcp-server", sorry |
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| 00:43.48 | de-facto | Lady_Aleena for reading ext3/4 from windows i always used http://www.ext2fsd.com/ but i would not recommend to write with that (it could screw up your journal), at least that was the case back in the days. |
| 00:43.53 | somiaj | gorillas: Do you use network-manager to control your network/interface (usually some applet/gui lets you do this. |
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| 00:44.20 | epsilon | gorillas: probably your router... does other mashines in the network have same issue? |
| 00:44.48 | gorillas | nope, but I feel like I should install it as soon I get this issue...resolved... ugh...lol |
| 00:45.09 | gorillas | epsilon: all other devices in the house use wifi and are not experiencing any issues. |
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| 00:46.19 | epsilon | gorillas: hard to debug... you could try uninstall resolvconf package |
| 00:46.23 | Lady_Aleena | de-facto, I will use another usb when transferring files between this Debian computer and the other Windows XP computer. |
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| 00:47.29 | de-facto | ok |
| 00:47.46 | gorillas | epsilon: no kidding! checking router(gateway) now. will try to uninstall resolvconf when back in debian. |
| 00:48.13 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: they are two seperate computers? Are they on the same network? |
| 00:49.01 | debby | pencilandpaper: thanks! |
| 00:49.07 | debby | pencilandpaper: would this be correct?: deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
| 00:49.25 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, they are not networked, even though they are connected to the internet through the same modem/router. Networking these computers is a pain in the butt. |
| 00:50.03 | pencilandpaper | Yes debby , I think so..did it return a error in terminal? |
| 00:50.15 | debby | yes, but I think it may have another reason for this |
| 00:50.39 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: they are both connected to the same router but networking them is hard? Are they not connected at the same time or you just dont' know how to setup networking to transfer files betwen them? |
| 00:50.53 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I'd love to network the computers together, but the firewalls on the various routers don't allow it. |
| 00:50.56 | pencilandpaper | What do you think the reason for it is debby ? |
| 00:51.37 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I would have to explain the router situation either in PM or #debian-offtopic, since it isn't really a #debian issue. |
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| 00:52.34 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: they should allow port forward which should be enough to at least use winscp and ssh to copy files (using the windows machine). I didn't realize they were on different routers/networks so file sharing may take more work |
| 00:52.43 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, if you want to know, you'd need to get out paper and pencil to draw out the weirdness. |
| 00:53.27 | locrian9 | I'm following these steps to get Debian installed onto my HP Proliant server using a 4GB USB stick: |
| 00:53.32 | locrian9 | Have downloaded an older version of Debian (debian-40r9-i386-netinst.iso) 161 MB, for software application specific reasons. |
| 00:53.36 | locrian9 | Trying to use the 'dd' command to write onto the USB stick. |
| 00:53.39 | locrian9 | Entering "sudo dd if=/home/mike/distros/debian-40r9-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb status=progress" |
| 00:53.43 | locrian9 | I've confirmed that 'sdb' is my usb, as I can see this appear/reappear when I 'ls /dev | less' upon removing and adding the USB stick. |
| 00:53.47 | locrian9 | It says 168460800 bytes (168MB) copied, 291.946150 s, 577 kB/s 329660+0 records in 3296600+0 records out. |
| 00:53.51 | locrian9 | I'll boot up the HP Proliant server, and it's not noticing the USB stick. "Non System Disk or Disk Error". |
| 00:53.58 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, so, I'm willing to type it out if you want to know. 8) |
| 00:54.27 | gorillas | epsilon: I can't find any dhcp server settings in the router. Thanks so much for all your help. Gotta eat dinner and try round two. Maybe I'll be back with good news. Or for more help. Thanks all. |
| 00:55.15 | locrian9 | Is there a file that I'm missing inside the USB stick besides the .iso? |
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| 00:55.45 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: I don't think I need the whole thing explained to me. I see they are on different networks and configuring them to share the network could take work, but as I said, I think just using simple port forwarding so the windows machine can ssh to the linux machine should work. |
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| 00:56.13 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, all other routers are connected to the main router on a shelf beside me. |
| 00:56.33 | somiaj | locrian9: are you sure that older version supports usb boot (I'm unsure what debian version that was standard that the iso were hibred) |
| 00:56.38 | Lady_Aleena | s/all other/the other 3/; |
| 00:56.49 | de-facto | locrian9 can you mount it and see the files on it after you did that? do other computers boot from it? have you set your server to boot first from usb, then try other devices? |
| 00:57.51 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, what is port forwarding? Also, I barely know how to use ssh since I use clients for most of my work on remote servers. |
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| 00:59.14 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: ssh isn't fully what i"m suggesting, but with ssh you can use scp (or winscp) and then just use the windows computer to copy files back and forth though ssh |
| 00:59.58 | abrotman | wtf are "clients" ? |
| 01:00.25 | locrian9 | de-facto: When I 'ls -lhat' in the directory, there's nothing listed. If I did the 'dd' method of writing the .iso onto this USB, I should see the .iso file, right? |
| 01:01.22 | locrian9 | de-facto: If I start from scratch again, what type of filesystem should I write onto the USB? |
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| 01:01.37 | de-facto | locrian9 if you dd if=your.iso of=/dev/yourusbblockdevice then you should have a filesytem on your usb after that (if the iso supports that method) |
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| 01:02.04 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: port forwarding is a common configuration all routers I've used have. What it does it takes a port on the outside and forwards it to a specific port on the inside. So on your outside most router forward port 22 to the ip of the router that has the linux machine, then on the router with the linux machine forward port 22 to the ip of the linux machine (note this will put port 22 on the internet so you may want to install fail2ban -- but ... |
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| 01:02.10 | somiaj | ... that is another discussion). |
| 01:02.44 | de-facto | locrian9 then if you replug it you should see those files as content of your usb and in addition to that a bootloader would land in front of your filesystem on the usb block device |
| 01:03.14 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: anyways, this will allow it so your windows machine can connect to your linux machine by using the main router. It does put an ssh server running on the internet, but I cannot think of a way to avoid this in a simple fashion with your setup. |
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| 01:04.01 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: actually I bet you could do it with only configuring port forwarding on the router that is connected tot he linux machien and not expose your ssh server to the internet. |
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| 01:04.24 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: this is drifting off topic, maybe /msg me if you want description on how to do that. |
| 01:05.17 | locrian9 | de-facto: Ok, I'll give it another try. |
| 01:06.08 | de-facto | locrian9 actually im not sure if your iso supports that method |
| 01:06.31 | Lady_Aleena | abrotman, FileZilla is a file transfer client, ThunderBird is an email client, Firefox is a web client, etc. |
| 01:06.53 | debby | pencilandpaper: hm, I think the reason may be the proxy server used for apt |
| 01:07.51 | pencilandpaper | I see debby . Thats odd though I think. |
| 01:08.08 | pencilandpaper | One sec. |
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| 01:08.12 | de-facto | locrian9 if not you might want to try something like http://unetbootin.github.io/ |
| 01:08.37 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I think the most secure way is use just usb drives to transfer the files for now, especially since I can't get into the setup on my modem/router due to me forgetting the password and not being able to find out how to reset and put in a new one. |
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| 01:10.04 | pencilandpaper | It went through for me debby , although I am using jessie. |
| 01:10.48 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, though it is a good conversation for me while waiting for my current rsync to get done. I've been waiting for several hours now. |
| 01:11.05 | pencilandpaper | I am actually using Devuan, debian without systemd..but I still have the debian sources commented out..and checked the jessie backports. |
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| 01:13.41 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, maybe one day I will be savvy enough to get all of these computers networked. (I have 7 [5 desktops and 2 laptops] in the room where I am currently sitting. 1 is in the living room. 2 are in the shed.) |
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| 01:14.05 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: just get a switch, a single router should be able ot handel that. |
| 01:15.21 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, they are all on one modem/router which is branched off to 3 (2 with 4 ports, 1 with 8 ports) other routers. |
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| 01:17.13 | locrian9 | de-facto: Yes, I might have to try the unetbootin option again. I ran through that a few times, and had some issues. At least I could tell that my HP Proliant server was picking up on the USB, but it gave me some errors 'syslinux failed to load com32 file menu.c32'. Thanks for the info. |
| 01:17.16 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: yes I got that picture. Get a switch, and then you won't need the other routers. |
| 01:17.54 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, it would take a lot of money to buy all the cables needed to reach the other computers if I put them all on one router. |
| 01:17.55 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: you might even be able to use the 8 port router as a switch, but switches come in various sizes, 8, 12, etc. |
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| 01:18.43 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, and a switch tells me when I am using 1 computer with the router, I wouldn't be able to use the others. |
| 01:18.54 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: replace the routers with switches, you may even be able to use the router as a switch (just put evertying on the wlan side of it) -- though then you may have multiple dhcp servers. |
| 01:19.21 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: you will be able to use all the computers ont he same network with a single router. You just need more ports (hence the switch) |
| 01:19.54 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, and a lot more cable (several 100 feet of it in one case). |
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| 01:21.31 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, the reason I use subrouters is so I can run one cable to each area where we need internet access instead of having to run several to each area. |
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| 01:22.07 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: I don't think you are understanding what a switch is. Use them instead of routers, then they will all be on the same network. |
| 01:22.09 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, or I would have to use splitters. |
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| 01:22.30 | average | has debian adopted systemd ? |
| 01:22.45 | somiaj | average: yes, though if one chooses you can use debian with sysvinit |
| 01:22.56 | somiaj | average: you still need parts of systemd installed, but it will not be your init system |
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| 01:24.06 | average | somiaj: my understanding is people don't really like it |
| 01:24.10 | average | yet it has made its way into debian |
| 01:24.13 | average | how so ? |
| 01:24.23 | srg | average: Most distros have included it at this point. |
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| 01:24.37 | srg | THe people who don't like it just tend to be loud mouthed. |
| 01:24.39 | somiaj | average: there is a lot of contraversity over systemd which is off-topic here. But there are plenty who like it. |
| 01:25.09 | somiaj | average: I personally think it is nice init system to control/configure, but I have very limited use |
| 01:26.06 | somiaj | !why systemd |
| 01:26.07 | dpkg | a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Support for other init systems (sysvinit) will still be present in Debian 8. systemd-shim (in development) will allow userspace requiring some systemd APIs to work without it. |
| 01:26.25 | somiaj | average: read that email from the mailing lists, is has a long anaylisis of the various choses debian had and why debian chose systemd |
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| 01:27.54 | watersj | someone please point me in the right direction to get python3.5 installed (deb perferred). ruinning jessie, is backports? |
| 01:28.26 | somiaj | ,v python3 |
| 01:28.27 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.1-3; sid: 3.5.1-3 |
| 01:28.51 | somiaj | watersj: and 3.4 won't work for you, there is no straight forward way to do this without building it yyourself. |
| 01:29.10 | watersj | somiaj, what i figured, was trying to avoid it |
| 01:29.41 | somiaj | watersj: I would just build it and put it in a local place like /opt and use pythons virtualenviroment if you want a version of python not provided in the debian's repos |
| 01:29.49 | watersj | i want subprocess.run instead of subprocess.call |
| 01:30.05 | watersj | seems cleaner for what I am wanting to do |
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| 01:30.40 | qmr | yea, put it in /opt or /usr/local |
| 01:30.58 | somiaj | I woudln't put it in /usr/local jsut because of $PATH issues |
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| 01:51.22 | gorillas | epsilon: fyi, resolvconf not installed so cannot uninstall. |
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| 01:53.01 | gorillas | and resolv.conf appears blank when actually in debian. |
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| 02:06.22 | epsilon | gorillas: but http://pastebin.com/QK8S413N says its from resolvconf |
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| 02:08.19 | gorillas | epsilon: indeed, because I just realized that I used absolute pathnames earlier and relative and therefore gave you wrong info, info from this LinuxMint and NOT the debian install, so sorry. Feel like a goof. |
| 02:08.36 | gorillas | resolv.conf is blank |
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| 02:09.09 | epsilon | well try: echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:09.26 | epsilon | (or whatever your ISPs DNS is) |
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| 02:11.52 | gorillas | bash: resolv.conf: Permission denied |
| 02:12.00 | gorillas | even with sudo? |
| 02:12.05 | markybob | as sudo or root |
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| 02:13.53 | gorillas | sudo didn't work, su did. okay, well that seemed to write it to file, now I need to reboot to see if that helps. |
| 02:13.53 | cyberpsi | c |
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| 02:21.53 | gorillas | epsilon: well, resolv.conf is blank again. appears to get overwritten with nothing. |
| 02:21.56 | guilegarcia | Hi |
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| 02:22.41 | somiaj | gorillas: are you using network manager to manager your network, I think you can state the nameserver in that. |
| 02:22.41 | guilegarcia | I downloaded the Debian Cinnamon, but the version of cinnamon is very old. I can update it? |
| 02:22.48 | somiaj | gorillas: or have you identified what is overwriting the file? |
| 02:22.59 | epsilon | gorillas: check the logs which program is fetching the IP from dhcp |
| 02:23.02 | somiaj | guilegarcia: are you running debian jessie? |
| 02:23.04 | markybob | guilegarcia: no. there is no cinnamon backport. |
| 02:23.43 | guilegarcia | somiaj, yes. |
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| 02:24.10 | markybob | guilegarcia: debian stable is known for rock solid, old, stable packages. that's kinda how it works. |
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| 02:24.50 | guilegarcia | markybob: thanks |
| 02:25.10 | guilegarcia | what is the default desktop of debian? |
| 02:25.16 | markybob | gnome |
| 02:25.41 | somiaj | gorillas: the package resolvconf (or openresolv) may help you, though I would identify what is overwriting the configuration file and configure that |
| 02:26.07 | jim | somehow, I lost pulseaudio (I'm running debian-jessie)... looking in /etc/init.d, I did not find anything that starts it... so, the question of course is, how can I start it again? |
| 02:26.10 | somiaj | guilegarcia: I like to think debian gives the user the choice of desktop, there are install images for them all. You can even just use a window manage. |
| 02:26.16 | guilegarcia | markybob: thanks. i'll test it. |
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| 02:26.31 | markybob | guilegarcia: that'll be "old" too, btw. |
| 02:26.48 | somiaj | jim: it is probabaly controled via systemd, I'm not positive on the name but maybe, 'systemctl status pulseaudio' |
| 02:26.58 | guilegarcia | markybob: :/ |
| 02:27.05 | LambdaComplex | jim: shouldn't ''pulseaudio --start'' do it? |
| 02:27.25 | guilegarcia | markybob: you recommend another distribution "stable" up to date? |
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| 02:27.30 | jim | (I also looked in alsamixer, it usually has a pulse volume control, that's gone now too) ok, I'll check both of those things out |
| 02:27.33 | somiaj | guilegarcia: debian jessie has the versions avaialble at the time of the freeze. |
| 02:27.50 | LambdaComplex | jim: if you're just trying to start it, then my thing should work. as for starting at boot.....i'm actually not sure |
| 02:27.56 | jim | LambdaComplex, that's run as the user who logs into the dm, right? |
| 02:28.08 | gorillas | epsilon: var/log/messages? |
| 02:28.14 | markybob | guilegarcia: depends on the user and what you want. i use stable and love it. i'm good with not having the newest, most shiny thing. it's rock solid and no surprises |
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| 02:28.25 | jim | I have some reason to believe it runs as the user |
| 02:28.33 | LambdaComplex | jim: i believe so, yes |
| 02:28.41 | LambdaComplex | though i don't use a dm |
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| 02:29.12 | jim | (becase dm is pronounced dum...) |
| 02:29.55 | jim | LambdaComplex, I get that, and someday I'll ask about your setup (can't now) |
| 02:29.55 | guilegarcia | markybob: I'm using manjaro now and i had many surprises kkk |
| 02:30.38 | LambdaComplex | jim: hopefully i'll have figured out how pulseaudio is getting started, because i actually can't seem to find anything doing it O.o |
| 02:30.41 | guilegarcia | markybob: because this I'm choosing other distribution. |
| 02:30.43 | LambdaComplex | (fwiw i'm on arch) |
| 02:31.23 | markybob | guilegarcia: if you don't have a very specific reason that's important for needed something newer, debian is perfect |
| 02:31.29 | markybob | needing* |
| 02:31.50 | jim | someone was clever :P |
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| 02:32.34 | jim | LambdaComplex, and yes, that did start it and restore my audio |
| 02:32.52 | jim | which had been a subgoal of mime |
| 02:32.55 | jim | mine |
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| 02:33.34 | LambdaComplex | sorry, i'm imagining a mime trying to troubleshoot your pulseaudio now |
| 02:33.38 | guilegarcia | markybob: I like to have the updated environments! ;) |
| 02:33.54 | markybob | guilegarcia: then debian isn't for you. that's also not a great reason. |
| 02:34.05 | jim | thanks... also, I'm in the process of rebuilding the kxstudio packages on debian, so they don't have any metadata that suggests ubuntu. more later, if interested |
| 02:34.49 | LambdaComplex | jim: was it originally packaged for ubuntu? |
| 02:34.59 | guilegarcia | markybob: ok, thanks ;) |
| 02:35.07 | LambdaComplex | ew, someone said manjaro |
| 02:35.16 | coruja | *whisper* for the brave and tough there are also testing and unstable *cough* |
| 02:35.37 | somiaj | guilegarcia: debian stables packages are frozen and well tested, the scarifice is you get the versions available at the time of the freeze. |
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| 02:35.48 | LambdaComplex | coruja: and for the insane you can mix all of them into a frankendebian! [disclaimer: don't do that] |
| 02:35.55 | LambdaComplex | oh, also bedrock linux |
| 02:36.09 | somiaj | guilegarcia: but if you want newer software avaialble sooner, debian stable may not be the distro you choose. |
| 02:36.14 | coruja | i'm running testing for years and i'm fine |
| 02:36.19 | LambdaComplex | anyone here tried bedrock? seems like a cool concept |
| 02:36.52 | somiaj | coruja: it works fine, but one should expect and know how to deal with bugs when they pop up. |
| 02:37.01 | coruja | +1 |
| 02:37.11 | guilegarcia | somiaj: thanks, you recommend other distribution 'stable' and newer? |
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| 02:37.29 | somiaj | also once stretch freezes, testingings biggest disavantage is no security support as random bugs stop creeping in. |
| 02:38.11 | coruja | as i hinted, you may try debian testing (installer isos available) or some derivate based on debian unstable |
| 02:38.23 | markybob | newbiews should never try testing |
| 02:38.34 | markybob | you need to have basic debian knowledge |
| 02:38.38 | LambdaComplex | i'm on arch and updating has only stopped me from booting once :D |
| 02:38.54 | somiaj | guilegarcia: I don't have any recommendendations. Each distro model has its pros and cons, and you have to come to the decision yourself. I like debian, its pro is that it works well together, con, debian makes minimal changes to the release to ensure things continue to work together. |
| 02:39.08 | coruja | arch is fine too, but demands even more from its users |
| 02:39.22 | somiaj | guilegarcia: There is distrowatch and other places you can see various reviews on distros. |
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| 02:40.17 | LambdaComplex | coruja: pretty much. didn't worry me a single bit. all i did was boot to the liveusb, chroot in, and roll back systemd. but for a newbie? probably not a fun time |
| 02:40.34 | coruja | probably ;) |
| 02:41.37 | LambdaComplex | ...which is part of why i (we?) dislike arch derivatives. anyone who installed arch the "proper" way should be capable of doing that. but if you used an installer? who the heck knows? |
| 02:41.50 | gorillas | epsilon somiaj : I guess I'm not sure which logs to check or how to track down what is writing to the file. I've been poking around but probably need to get walked through this. |
| 02:42.21 | guilegarcia | somiaj: ok, thanks! |
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| 02:49.10 | TheWarden | Hi |
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| 02:49.42 | TheWarden | I'm trying to dual boot with grub. I run os-prober and then update-grub2. However it doesn't seem to detect the drive with Windows 10 on it. What am I missing? |
| 02:51.12 | LambdaComplex | TheWarden: First question...BIOS or UEFI? |
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| 02:52.04 | TheWarden | LambdaComplex: Windows was installed via EFI. I'm not sure how to tell if Linux was... its suppose to be but not sure. |
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| 02:52.23 | TheWarden | LambdaComplex: shouldn't /boot/ have a directory with EFI? |
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| 02:52.56 | LambdaComplex | TheWarden: Yeah, run ''lsblk'' and see if you have something mounted there |
| 02:53.02 | LambdaComplex | Probably either /boot/ or /boot/efi |
| 02:53.27 | LambdaComplex | And if Windows is installed in EFI mode then I can pretty much guarantee Linux was too |
| 02:54.00 | TheWarden | LambdaComplex: I ran lsblk under Linux and I don't see /boot/ or /boot/efi in the list. |
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| 02:56.42 | TheWarden | I don't believe on can mix the two different methods of booting. Not sure how to tell on the Linux side. argh.... so annoying. |
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| 03:01.00 | LambdaComplex | TheWarden: Run ''lsblk -f'' and see which partition has vfat under the fstype |
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| 03:07.05 | TheWarden | LambdaComplex: Ahh okay... I see it sdc2 |
| 03:07.12 | LambdaComplex | TheWarden: Is it mounted anywhere? |
| 03:07.24 | TheWarden | LambdaComplex: no |
| 03:07.36 | LambdaComplex | TheWarden: Strange...is it listed in /etc/fstab ? |
| 03:08.01 | TheWarden | LambdaComplex: nno |
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| 03:08.51 | LambdaComplex | TheWarden: Hm....Well, I suppose grub is just loading the .efi files...so I guess that really is fine |
| 03:09.20 | jmcnaught | TheWarden: which image did you use to install Debian? Some like the live and netboot images have no UEFI support |
| 03:09.28 | TheWarden | LambdaComplex: I guess.. I still question if Linux was even installed via EFI. |
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| 03:10.14 | TheWarden | jmcnaught: in all honesty I'm not sure. Its not my system and they don't recall. |
| 03:10.38 | LambdaComplex | TheWarden: Run ''efibootmgr'' |
| 03:10.48 | LambdaComplex | Should fail if you didn't boot in EFI mode |
| 03:11.45 | TheWarden | LambdaComplex: I tried to do that and I get back "efibootmgr: EFI variables are not supported on this system". |
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| 03:13.54 | jmcnaught | TheWarden: I don't know enough about Windows 10 to know if it can boot in BIOS mode, but it certainly seems like Debian was installed without UEFI support. |
| 03:14.05 | markybob | it can't |
| 03:14.12 | markybob | since windows 8 it requires uefi |
| 03:14.24 | TheWarden | so only solution then is to re-install Debian under EFI? |
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| 03:15.08 | LambdaComplex | That should just be a matter of getting access to the efi vars and then changing the bootloader |
| 03:15.33 | LambdaComplex | And possibly changing the kernel. Not sure if it needs to be an efistub or not actually |
| 03:15.42 | aypea[1] | thew: boot in and install grub-efi-<arch> and see if you can get it going |
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| 03:15.48 | jmcnaught | TheWarden: you can replace grub-pc with grub-efi if you boot the system with a debian installer in rescue mode |
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| 03:16.19 | TheWarden | jmcnaught: oh, mm I guess I'll have search that up. No clue how that is done. |
| 03:16.42 | aypea[1] | TheWarden: do you have secure boot on? |
| 03:17.01 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell TheWarden about reinstall grub |
| 03:17.13 | TheWarden | aypea[1]: I don't believe so, but I would have to look in the bios to see. I would have to say no since it can boot into Linux now fine. |
| 03:18.06 | aypea[1] | TheWarden: it's something to check. otherwise a full re-install should not be required. |
| 03:18.30 | TheWarden | aypea[1]: ok thanks. |
| 03:18.35 | TheWarden | Thanks for the help. |
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| 03:19.09 | aypea[1] | TheWarden: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=convert+debian+bios+to+uefi may be of help :) |
| 03:20.21 | jmcnaught | aypea[1]: we like to assume that people can search google themselves :) |
| 03:21.37 | aypea[1] | jmcnaught: I already had it up :) |
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| 03:23.03 | buu | So |
| 03:23.31 | buu | How do I figure out which disk is /dev/sdn when it's disabled by the kernel and not showing up in /dev/disk/by-id ? |
| 03:23.51 | aypea[1] | buu: dmesg|grep sdn |
| 03:23.58 | buu | aypea[1]: and? |
| 03:24.36 | aypea[1] | buu: it should give you some info that may be of use but if you don't have a /dev/ file for it then life will be hard. |
| 03:24.54 | aypea[1] | if there is an actual /dev/sdn then hdparm may be of use |
| 03:24.58 | buu | I have a block device for it.. that doesn't respond |
| 03:25.23 | aypea[1] | buu: the other option is to identify everything else and, be elimination, you'll know what failed. |
| 03:25.38 | buu | I'm really trying hard to avoid that |
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| 03:26.24 | aypea[1] | buu: so grep dmesg or /var/log/dmesg |
| 03:26.33 | aypea[1] | buu: otherwise hdparm if that's not enough |
| 03:26.36 | buu | aypea[1]: That doesn't actually list the id |
| 03:26.40 | buu | Or rather, the serial |
| 03:27.04 | buu | It's at24 and <seagate> but not the SN |
| 03:27.37 | aypea[1] | if that's of no use, hdparm |
| 03:27.52 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.55 | buu | Did I mention it's broke |
| 03:28.04 | aypea[1] | there are many ways things can break |
| 03:28.18 | buu | It's broke to the point that the kernel unloaded it from /dev/disk |
| 03:28.33 | buu | I guess I only have like 5 seagates left |
| 03:28.56 | aypea[1] | buu: does dmesg give you the interface id? 'sd x:y:z:w:'? |
| 03:29.03 | buu | Someday I'm going to learn to label things |
| 03:29.05 | buu | aypea[1]: yep |
| 03:29.13 | buu | 24:0:0:0 |
| 03:29.43 | aypea[1] | buu: that may correlate to the numbering of the ports |
| 03:29.49 | aypea[1] | (it does for me) |
| 03:30.08 | buu | This is a good idea except it's more than sightly jerryrigged and I have like 3 different controller cards |
| 03:31.07 | aypea[1] | buu: that MAY not be an issue |
| 03:31.35 | aypea[1] | buu: is there a host24 mentioned? |
| 03:32.48 | buu | aypea[1]: Not that I noticed |
| 03:33.02 | buu | I just managed to pull out the correct disk first try though |
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| 03:33.13 | aypea[1] | buu: fun times :) |
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| 03:33.40 | buu | It'll be far more fun if my zpool isn't corrupt =[ |
| 03:34.36 | buu | I managed to get a whole bunch of ST3000 disks and through sheer skill put them all on the same vdev |
| 03:36.50 | buu | Ok |
| 03:36.58 | buu | How do I tell linux to rescan sd devices? |
| 03:38.44 | qmr | 'rescan'? why? |
| 03:39.52 | buu | As in hotplugging |
| 03:40.14 | buu | oh well, worked like magic |
| 03:40.14 | buu | yay |
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| 03:43.30 | buu | I wonder how bad |
| 03:43.37 | epsilon | buu: echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/*/scan |
| 03:43.49 | buu | Thanks |
| 03:44.15 | epsilon | applies for scsi and sata |
| 03:44.45 | buu | Are you operating under the assumption there's only one scsi_host ? |
| 03:44.53 | qmr | buu: the kernel will see when you plug new things in |
| 03:44.57 | buu | it did |
| 03:46.05 | epsilon | look at /sys/class/scsi_host/, there are the hosts |
| 03:46.21 | buu | you wrote > /scsi_host/*/scan |
| 03:46.28 | buu | Is there some magic that would make that workf or multip[le hosts? |
| 03:46.37 | epsilon | * |
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| 03:46.58 | epsilon | assumed you use something like bash |
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| 03:48.04 | buu | I don't think echo > file1 file file 3; works very well |
| 03:48.21 | aypea[1] | blessed be the for loop for it is truly blessed |
| 03:50.24 | buu | sure |
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| 03:51.08 | buu | [ 972.004518] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdx] Synchronizing SCSI cache |
| 03:51.14 | buu | I wonder how long that will take |
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| 04:57.09 | tuxopenwrt_ | jcmnaught: bootloader crashed so i installed stretch/sid on the USB |
| 04:57.28 | tuxopenwrt_ | now i dont see a network manage on xfce which installed it |
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| 04:58.06 | tuxopenwrt_ | now sure how to get network service. I saw couple of forums which suggested it will be in app>settings , app> system but seems there is nothing |
| 04:58.11 | tuxopenwrt_ | any suggestion |
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| 05:01.07 | jmcnaught | tuxopenwrt_: if i recall correctly you're the one who had their grub bootloader on a USB that was lost? Why the jump to stretch? |
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| 05:02.30 | tuxopenwrt_ | jcmnaught: yes, my system din't come up on reboot unfortunately. I just got sid on USB to fix it as i had no other option |
| 05:02.58 | tuxopenwrt_ | i din't notice it was stretch.. should have got jesse |
| 05:03.10 | tuxopenwrt_ | but i can update once i get network activity i guess |
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| 05:04.04 | jmcnaught | tuxopenwrt_: well you can't downgrade from testing/unstable to jessie. what do you mean you installed it on the USB? Don't you want to be able to boot Debian from the internal HDD? |
| 05:06.18 | tuxopenwrt_ | jcmnaught : i meant i installed it on HDD using USB |
| 05:06.34 | tuxopenwrt_ | and it is booting from HDD, but no network |
| 05:07.15 | jmcnaught | tuxopenwrt_: your IRC client can probably tab-complete nicks, mine starts with jm not jc by the way so i'm not actually getting highlighted :) |
| 05:08.02 | jmcnaught | tuxopenwrt_: is your goal to stuck with testing/unstable, or to get jessie installed? |
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| 05:09.06 | tuxopenwrt_ | jmcnaught: i guess jessie might be better ; not sure if some software won't work with testing and I have to revert |
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| 05:11.17 | jmcnaught | tuxopenwrt_: you were using Wheezy before weren't you? Do you have a jessie installer available? |
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| 05:14.18 | tuxopenwrt_ | jmcnaught: yes Wheezy before. Nope, seems i should get CD-1 of this :http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 05:14.55 | jmcnaught | tuxopenwrt_: the netinst image will probably mean less downloading. Will you be using ethernet or wifi during the install? |
| 05:15.36 | tuxopenwrt_ | jmcnaught: nope, i don't hope to |
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| 05:16.08 | jmcnaught | tuxopenwrt_: do you mean you have no network available at all during the install? |
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| 05:17.34 | jmcnaught | tuxopenwrt_: cd-1 will work too, but netinst is what's usually recommended if you have network available during the install |
| 05:17.39 | tuxopenwrt_ | jmcnaught: i have something from my mobile phone, just thought the iso install might be faster |
| 05:17.59 | tuxopenwrt_ | jmcnaught: i meant fast to install with the packages available |
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| 05:19.31 | pointless | hi |
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| 05:20.10 | jmcnaught | tuxopenwrt_: with cd-1 you download a bunch before the install, and maybe some/most/all of the packages on the cd get installed, maybe you need more from the network. with netinst you download a little before the install, and it downloads packages as needed |
| 05:20.24 | pointless | anybody can help with setting up a webcam stream live service in debian on a "big" droplet from digitalocean? |
| 05:20.34 | pointless | (good morning) |
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| 05:21.10 | jmcnaught | pointless: better to ask specific questions |
| 05:21.19 | tuxopenwrt_ | jmcnaught: my last install was a net install thats why I am hesitant to use that now |
| 05:21.41 | jmcnaught | tuxopenwrt_: the last install was broken because you used unetbootin |
| 05:24.30 | tuxopenwrt_ | jmcnaught: true that |
| 05:25.36 | pointless | jmcnaught: that was a specific question |
| 05:25.58 | pointless | jmcnaught: I need help setting something up |
| 05:26.27 | jmcnaught | tuxopenwrt_: if you follow the instructions in the install manual you'll be fine. prepare the USB stick with "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" (not to a partition) or win32diskimager if on windows |
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| 05:26.50 | jmcnaught | !anyone |
| 05:26.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 05:27.19 | jmcnaught | pointless: tell us what you're using, what problem you're having, what you've tried, and someone might be able to help you |
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| 05:41.06 | wegg | is there a recommended guide to get samba configured on debian so that windows 10 machines can see the files? I can't seem to get it to work. |
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| 05:45.26 | somiaj | wegg: just to see the files should almost work out of the box. You'll just have to login as your user and you should have access to $HOME |
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| 05:45.34 | somiaj | wegg: you might have to enter int he ip address of the server. |
| 05:46.08 | somiaj | wegg: https://wiki.debian.org/SambaServerSimple -- maybe that will give more info. |
| 05:46.09 | wegg | I get "Error code: 0x80070043 |
| 05:46.25 | wegg | "The network name cannot be found" |
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| 05:53.37 | xreal | I'm shocked. What's happening with Debian? atop is still at v1.2 - even in experimental. it's way beyond 2.2 right now! |
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| 05:54.51 | xreal | That's more than 4 years. |
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| 05:59.06 | wegg | somiaj, I used GADMIN-SAMBA and it looks like it is working now. |
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| 05:59.43 | TomTomTosch | xreal: not sure what's shocking but it means that probably not enough people cared about a newer version of atop. you can send a bug with severity wishlist or ask the maintainer. |
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| 06:03.48 | xreal | TomTomTosch: atop is one if the completes logger... it captures, what all other things, like sar, vmstat etc. logs - but in one daemon. |
| 06:03.49 | rook2pawn | i borked my xorg.conf with nvidia / bumblebee, and i just want to boot into tty but lightdm always is starting and breaks |
| 06:03.50 | somiaj | Last update of atop was 2012, may need a matainer. |
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| 06:04.07 | xreal | somiaj & TomTomTosch: okay, I'll send it to the wish list. Thanks. |
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| 06:04.19 | somiaj | xreal: the best bet is build it yourself and install in /usr/local |
| 06:04.36 | rook2pawn | is there a way from GRUB to just get to text? i tried removing quiet to text and it still starts the Login manager |
| 06:04.39 | xreal | somiaj: guess what I did. I've released the log format changed and when I had a look at dpkg, I was shocked ;) |
| 06:04.50 | somiaj | xreal: unsure about the source, but it might build fairly easy, and debian gets along with stuff in /usr/local just fine |
| 06:04.52 | SPF | rook2pawn: what about logging in remotely through ssh? |
| 06:04.55 | xreal | realized* |
| 06:05.16 | xreal | somiaj: Some parts need to be changed for debian, f.e. the init and logrotate thing. |
| 06:05.21 | somiaj | xreal: last update was 2012, seems mostly abaondended in debian. May just need a matainer. I would see if there is a wishlist bug for a newer version already. |
| 06:05.26 | dax | there is |
| 06:05.41 | dax | some people worked on it, but nothing finished, and last comment wasn't recent |
| 06:05.41 | rook2pawn | SPF: no ssh server installed. ctrl+alt+number doesnt work since its somehow resetting the screen every second |
| 06:05.55 | xreal | dax: thanks. |
| 06:05.59 | rook2pawn | but that would be a good idea in the future.. |
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| 06:06.15 | xreal | dax: do you have the link for me? |
| 06:06.46 | cafuego | rook2pawn: You can add 'single' to the kernel line in grub |
| 06:07.07 | cafuego | rook2pawn: that will start the box in runlevel 1, which should not start X |
| 06:07.08 | dax | xreal: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729614 |
| 06:07.10 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/729614 in atop (open): «atop: Please package latest upstream version (2.0.2)»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2013-11-14; last modified: 2015-12-26. |
| 06:07.28 | SPF | rook2pawn: you can set grub to runlevel 3 |
| 06:07.43 | SPF | rook2pawn: http://www.brunolinux.com/05-Configuring_Your_System/Grub_boot_runlevel-3.html |
| 06:07.57 | rook2pawn | i did try single as well. ro single |
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| 06:08.19 | cafuego | 'init=/bin/sh' will teach it a good lesson. |
| 06:08.41 | xreal | dax: Thanks. I've just got an answer from the old maintainer, who explained the problems he had with it. |
| 06:08.47 | cafuego | that'll boot straight to a shell without running ANY initscripts. |
| 06:09.03 | rook2pawn | not sure if i need anything from systemd! i just need a way to alter my xorg.conf |
| 06:09.24 | cafuego | Which means also no shutdown scripts, so you need to remount / read-only before hitting reset |
| 06:09.27 | xreal | Now I can start helping to make the new version work. Thanks for all. |
| 06:10.50 | SPF | rook2pawn: you can rename xorg.conf to xorg.conf.disabled, for instance my system doesn't use xorg.conf |
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| 06:11.50 | ironpillow | hi all, what's the difference between netlink and netfilter? how are they related? thanks! |
| 06:12.33 | cafuego | ironpillow: they both have "net" in their names. |
| 06:12.54 | midipix | hello; would this be the right place to share info about a libtool drop-in replacement? |
| 06:12.55 | ironpillow | cafuego: :) good one! |
| 06:13.09 | cafuego | ironpillow: netfilter is the kernel firewall system |
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| 06:13.44 | cafuego | ironpillow: netlink is a way for userspace and kernel space to talk to each other. |
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| 06:15.52 | ironpillow | cafuego: do netlink have anything to do with packets since it has 'net' in the name? Do packets first flow thru netfilter then thru netlink? |
| 06:16.01 | cafuego | ironpillow: No |
| 06:16.31 | cafuego | ironpillow: they are related by virtue of having "net" in their names, like I said. |
| 06:18.34 | ironpillow | cafuego: ah...got it. |
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| 06:19.58 | ironpillow | cafuego: so netfilter is used for iptables = packet filters. so does netlink have anything to do with packets? |
| 06:20.30 | cafuego | ironpillow: Yes, it's an interface for moving packets around, i guess. |
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| 06:21.28 | cafuego | ironpillow: there *is* a netlink target for netfilter, that means that netfilter *uses* netlink to send packets to user-space apps. |
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| 06:22.00 | cafuego | ironpillow: You wouldn't use that though for a "normal" firewall. |
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| 06:22.29 | cafuego | ironpillow: It's handy when you'r doing crazy things like emulating a really crappy internet connection on a local network. |
| 06:22.46 | cafuego | Or, possibly, when reverse engineering some network protocol. |
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| 06:24.20 | ironpillow | cafuego: ok so netfilter filters packets and these packets traverse from kernel space to user-space using netlink. did I get that right? |
| 06:24.36 | cafuego | ironpillow: Not normally, normally they stay in kernel space. |
| 06:24.59 | cafuego | ironpillow: You *can* make them go to userspace using netlink. |
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| 06:30.25 | ironpillow | cafuego: so does netfilter operate in user-space or kernel space? when does one or an app use netlink to bring packets to user-space? |
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| 06:31.13 | cafuego | ironpillow: netfilter is in kernel space |
| 06:31.47 | cafuego | ironpillow: netlink would bring packets to userspace say when you're sniffing network traffic. |
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| 06:36.34 | ironpillow | cafuego: really appreciate you taking the time and explaining. Also thanks for being patient. :) |
| 06:37.20 | cafuego | shakes fist |
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| 07:17.09 | xreal | This is Bender, please insert a disk. |
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| 07:20.37 | donttrustem | Mornnig guys .. whats the command to set a directoy to inherit the top level perms |
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| 07:21.10 | donttrustem | I need to create subfolders with the owner and group |
| 07:21.23 | donttrustem | I cannot remember the command |
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| 07:27.29 | cafuego | donttrustem: chmod |
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| 07:28.05 | cafuego | donttrustem: The 2 and 4 special bits |
| 07:28.12 | donttrustem | cafuego: Yeah I know that one but I want new dirâs to inherit the user:group |
| 07:28.28 | donttrustem | I cannot remember the command |
| 07:28.29 | cafuego | donttrustem: So probably 6770 |
| 07:28.53 | cafuego | assuming "other" should not have access |
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| 07:30.17 | CtrlC | For banning specific IPs so the users can't access them, which config should I be looking for? All I find is other way round(banning users not to access the proxy) |
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| 07:30.33 | CtrlC | in squid. |
| 07:31.19 | cafuego | CtrlC: I'd probably use squidguard |
| 07:31.39 | CtrlC | let me see what it is. |
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| 07:32.30 | CtrlC | cafuego, that seems cool! Thank you. |
| 07:32.35 | cafuego | np :-) |
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| 07:32.57 | Guest78680 | hi, how come madcatz can't make working hardware for linux? this is so frustrating |
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| 07:37.48 | MADcat- | it might have something todo with xorg or something i guess |
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| 07:45.21 | CtrlC | What would be the easiest way to implement a socks proxy with filtering and auth options? |
| 07:45.46 | CtrlC | and the users might be on any OS. |
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| 07:49.09 | AimHere | I dunno about filtering, but if your users have shell accounts, and you're running sshd, then they can already use ssh -D to bind a local port so that it uses your machine as a socks proxy |
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| 08:12.15 | donttrustem | is still struggling to find the command to set new subfolders to inheirt the top level user:group |
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| 08:16.21 | Akimoto | setfacl ? |
| 08:17.48 | donttrustem | just found it ⦠http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/115631/getting-new-files-to-inherit-group-permissions-on-linux |
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| 08:19.39 | simonlnu | not a command, chmod does it |
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| 08:20.06 | simonlnu | man chmod |
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| 08:23.30 | Haohmaru | maybe it's offtopic, but i'm running out of hope here.. somehow suddenly my samba began adding "available = no" to my share section from <somewhere> .. what the hell's going on? |
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| 08:24.35 | Haohmaru | it's not in the config file, i even added "available = yes" there, and with testparm i see my "available = yes" followed by "available = no" |
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| 08:35.58 | plovs | recommendations on a good (utf8) font for my xterm? |
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| 08:43.49 | teraflops | plovs: I'd recommend a better terminal emulator. that said Inconsolatazi4 looks pretty |
| 08:44.37 | plovs | teraflops: thanks, you mean urxvt? |
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| 08:46.31 | teraflops | I mean something that supports fontconfig |
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| 08:51.06 | plovs | teraflops: any suggestions? still controllable with Xresources instead of a gui tool? |
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| 08:52.52 | teraflops | plovs: sorry it was a personal opinion. fontconfig does not require a gui tool btw. |
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| 08:53.40 | plovs | teraflops: nono, appreciated :-) just trying to find something comfortable |
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| 08:55.50 | teraflops | plovs: well, there are so many. do you do DE or just a window manager? |
| 08:56.25 | plovs | teraflops: just a window manager, spectrwm |
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| 08:58.31 | teraflops | maybe terminator. gome-terminal, xfce4-terminal, the one kde ships are fine too I guess. there are more but im not aware if they are in the debian repos. st looks good this days and do pretty unicode too but does not use fontconfig. |
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| 09:09.01 | plovs | teraflops: thanks, playing around with terminator |
| 09:09.29 | Northman | I want to setup a bridged virtual infterface (br0) ontop of eth0, which will leave eth0(10.1.0.0/24) config untouched. It would be on many machines with different subnet(10.2.0.0/24), How do I achieve this ? |
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| 09:10.38 | teraflops | plovs: np ;) |
| 09:10.46 | Northman | or would a vlan be better in this case ? |
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| 09:14.55 | jelly | Northman: I don't think bridges work that way. You'll have to move the ip config from they phys iface to br0 |
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| 09:16.17 | Northman | So only way here is a vlan or any other option ? |
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| 09:20.00 | teraflops | Northman: you miss the ip addr in eth0. maybe playing with the netmask do the trick in you case. |
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| 09:24.43 | Northman | You mean like I would change eth to 10.0.64.0/24 and 10.0.65.0/24 and they would be in the subnet 10.0.64.0/23 ? |
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| 09:29.20 | TxGVNN | hi everyone, i want to become Debian Maintainer. |
| 09:29.41 | TxGVNN | i have installed "how-can-i-help" package. And i want to maintain wicd package. |
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| 09:29.59 | TxGVNN | Will i need to do? |
| 09:30.09 | teraflops | no, I mean 10.0.0.0/8 includes 10.1.0.0/24 and 10.2.0.0./24 |
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| 09:32.56 | Northman | No, I cannot take up all the space, there are 5 subnets in the router right now. |
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| 09:38.44 | babilen | Ja, alle Bilder sind weg (Wavecon Logo und so) |
| 09:39.00 | babilen | ECHAN |
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| 09:39.52 | shibly | Hi, is it possible to install gnome-core on virtualbox on windows? |
| 09:40.10 | shibly | I've downloaded the first cd |
| 09:40.29 | sebjames | Hi, a networking question. I use the package ppp to make a connection to the internet via my broadband supplier (BT Infinity in the UK). ppp contains config in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ and in those config files, I ensure that the default route is set so that when the connection drops and restarts, the ppp connection restarts. Log messages show that when these scripts run, the default route is set. However, something is then resetting/removing the default rou |
| 09:40.30 | sebjames | te and I can't work out what that is. What might occur after a ppp connection restart that would upset the default route? |
| 09:40.53 | shibly | I've downloaded this: debian-8.4.0-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 09:41.13 | shibly | Installed debian minimal, not gnome, no graphical |
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| 09:47.24 | zeta- | My touchpad has stopped responding to taps -- not sure which pkg is responsible, xorg related? |
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| 10:01.44 | zeta- | Is it possible to use Sid only for certain pkgs? |
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| 10:02.28 | vegardx | Depends on dependencies. Ha! |
| 10:03.00 | vegardx | It's usually a pretty safe way to bork your system properly, or end up with what is essentially sid anyway. |
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| 10:04.31 | zeta- | Yeah I guess it could get complicated :-( |
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| 10:08.46 | themill | zeta-: finding (or making) backported packages is simpler and more maintainable |
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| 10:12.00 | rook2pawn | i would like to use my nvidia card and am looking into bumblebee since i have an optimus system, but what is the point of package bumblebee since it uses nouveau driver? |
| 10:12.16 | Psy-Q | is there a happy combination of plasma and debian testing that doesn't crash all the time (krunner, plasmashell and the screen lock seem to crash a lot)? |
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| 10:17.14 | babilen | rook2pawn: You can use bumblebee with nouveau too: https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee (install bumblebee and not bumblebee-nvidia) |
| 10:17.20 | babilen | (not idea if that works) |
| 10:17.24 | babilen | -t |
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| 10:20.13 | teraflops | rook2pawn: the point is being able to launch application usings the nvidia gpu. it works with both drivers the binary blob and nouveau. |
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| 10:21.34 | babilen | The actual hardware that is (as opposed to the Intel card) |
| 10:21.37 | rook2pawn | but there is no nvidia driver |
| 10:21.40 | teraflops | applications using* |
| 10:21.48 | teraflops | rook2pawn: where? |
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| 10:22.01 | babilen | rook2pawn: You still have an intel GPU and a NVIDIA one |
| 10:22.03 | rook2pawn | on this page https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 10:22.10 | teraflops | rook2pawn: did you read the fine wiki? |
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| 10:22.37 | rook2pawn | they say if you want to use the propietary nvidia driver use bumblebee-nvidia (as opposed to bumblebee) |
| 10:24.03 | rook2pawn | so, if i install bumblebee it will let me use (through optirun?) the nvidia hardware? |
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| 10:25.22 | teraflops | rook2pawn: what's the problem? bumblebee-nvidia installs the binary nvidia driver https://packages.debian.org/jessie/utils/bumblebee-nvidia |
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| 10:26.31 | rook2pawn | i don't understand the distinction between bumblebee and bumblebee-nvidia |
| 10:27.00 | rook2pawn | since they say "if you want to use the free nouveau driver use bumblebee" but i thought bumblebee was to use nvidia? |
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| 10:28.01 | teraflops | no. bumblebee is the daemon that lets you switch of gpu automagically |
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| 10:29.42 | rook2pawn | ah, so if i use bumblebee where would i get the driver software? |
| 10:29.56 | teraflops | ^ |
| 10:32.24 | rook2pawn | so what situation would there be where someone would want to install bumblebee and not bumblebee-nvidia? |
| 10:32.30 | teraflops | rook2pawn: bumblebee-nividia install bumblebee + nvidia driver. bumblebee installs just bumblebee. since you use nouveau the driver is already in the kernel. |
| 10:32.42 | teraflops | rook2pawn: please read the fine wiki |
| 10:33.56 | rook2pawn | i have, im asking how can bumblebee use nouveau to power nvidia hardware? |
| 10:34.17 | rook2pawn | "For users who would like to use the free nouveau driver: install bumblebee" |
| 10:34.31 | teraflops | sorry I cannot explain better than I already did. |
| 10:35.40 | rook2pawn | i guess my question is, can you use nvidia hardware with nouveau drivers? |
| 10:36.11 | rook2pawn | because that seems to be the case for someone who would install bumblebee and not bumblee-nvidia |
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| 10:37.56 | teraflops | rook2pawn: I'm starting to wonder if you're trolling me. please confirm or deny my suspicions. |
| 10:38.16 | rook2pawn | no, not trolling |
| 10:38.32 | rook2pawn | what scenario would someone use bumblebee and not bumblee-nvidia |
| 10:38.38 | rook2pawn | that's what i want to know |
| 10:39.09 | Myrtti | if they don't want the proprietary closed source nvidia drivers |
| 10:39.27 | teraflops | rook2pawn: if you're a foss jedi you use nouveau. if you dont want to mess with installing nvidia you go nouveau. |
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| 10:39.44 | rook2pawn | so nouveau CAN power nvidia hardware |
| 10:39.58 | Myrtti | why else would it exist |
| 10:40.16 | rook2pawn | ok , got it. That's all i was asking |
| 10:40.42 | Myrtti | historically (in my personal experience) open source drivers tend to be easier to get working to some degree, while for the high spec demanding people it might be worthwhile using the manufacturer supplied stuff. |
| 10:40.46 | teraflops | rook2pawn: I alraedy told you |
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| 10:41.23 | teraflops | [...] bumblebee installs just bumblebee. since you use nouveau the driver is already in the kernel. |
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| 10:42.44 | rook2pawn | teraflops: i did not realize nouveau could power nvidia hardware. my assumption was that to power nvidia hardware, you needed nvidia branded drivers. |
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| 10:47.13 | teraflops | rook2pawn: ok sorry. |
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| 10:56.00 | Northman | Can you please tell me the current version of openstack packages on Jessie ? I cannot understand. Is it Essex ? It is very old ... |
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| 10:57.19 | Northman | I mean It says it is essex for wheezy, but I have jessie ... |
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| 10:59.35 | markybob | Northman: are you looking for openstack-toaster and openstack-clients ? |
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| 11:00.19 | markybob | Northman: use apt-cache show foo to check description. use apt-cache search openstack |more to find all openstack things |
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| 11:01.28 | Northman | I mean like if I follow openstack manual ( first is installing python-openstackclient and I install other packages in the same way). What version I will end up with ? I will try the cache thing |
| 11:01.29 | benjr | how can i tell if the load reported by uptime, top etc is high or not? a percentage would be mroe helpful than those number, but the percentage in top shows >100% which is nonsense |
| 11:02.16 | markybob | Northman: yep cache will give you version numbers |
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| 11:03.49 | benjr | load average: 12.01, 7.67, 4.18 ... i think thats high but iu dont know how to make sense of it |
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| 11:04.29 | jelly | Northman: mitaka is in jessie-backports AFAIK, don't bother with what's in jessie |
| 11:04.43 | markybob | benjr: this is a good guide. http://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2009/07/31/understanding-load-averages |
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| 11:06.05 | jelly | benjr: top by default shows CPU% as percentage of a single core |
| 11:06.43 | benjr | right, so when it says 12.01, and i have an 8-core cpu, that means its bottlenecking |
| 11:07.03 | jelly | load average is very different from cpu time. |
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| 11:08.51 | jelly | benjr: load average shows how many processes were ready and waiting to get their slice of cpu time, in a time period. It does not mean that lack of cpu time is a direct cause of that wait, and can vary wildly depending on actual workload. |
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| 11:09.42 | jelly | benjr: so you could have a 4-core machine with load avg of 10-30 and things running smoothly, or you could have a 4 core machine with a load of 0.01 getting hiccups |
| 11:09.57 | benjr | hmm |
| 11:10.01 | jelly | it's a clue, but not a direct measure |
| 11:10.41 | benjr | i have remote users streaming videos that are being transcoded in real time, how can i tell if its getting hiccups if i cant see what they see? |
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| 11:11.06 | jelly | you should make it possible to see their streams, them |
| 11:11.07 | jelly | then* |
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| 11:12.06 | benjr | so none of that data on load averages, cpu time , or anything else will tell me what id be able to know by viewing the stream myself? |
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| 11:19.13 | sagatak | benjr: perhaps it's worth starting from the other end: do you have a problem? :) |
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| 11:26.49 | brontosaurusrex | benjr: there are possible reasons for hickups on both server and client side, so perhaps test that transcoder works properly first, then test what would be a minimum cpu (or gpu) decoder "speed" needed. |
| 11:27.07 | brontosaurusrex | and the minimum net speed. |
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| 11:30.08 | benjr | i only have slow adsl with 1mb upload, but my fibre line will be installed by about this time next week, this was just a test, i guess ill hold off until thats all done |
| 11:30.32 | wewlad | I did 'chsh -s zsh user', it prompted a password, I entered it and then I got 'chsh: zsh is an invalid shell'. Why? is is it okay that /etc/shells contains 2 paths to zsh: /bin/zsh and /usr/bin/zsh? |
| 11:31.23 | abrotman | wewlad: is zsh installed and in /etc/shells ? |
| 11:31.59 | wewlad | abrotman: zsh is installed and as I wrote - that file contains 2 links to zsh |
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| 11:32.18 | abrotman | didn't read the whole thing :( |
| 11:32.36 | abrotman | wewlad: and those are the correct paths? Try removing the one that isn't real? |
| 11:33.29 | wewlad | abrotman: both paths contain a 0k zsh@ |
| 11:33.31 | joohoi | wewlad: provide a full path to shell for chsh |
| 11:33.52 | wewlad | joohoi: seems like a bug |
| 11:35.22 | wewlad | how to know where a symlink (I guess 0k zsh@ is a symlink) points to? |
| 11:35.34 | wewlad | I can't find the path of the real binary for zsh |
| 11:35.46 | joohoi | you can point to symlink too, if it's listed in /etc/shells |
| 11:35.49 | wewlad | 'whereis' is damn useless |
| 11:35.51 | joohoi | afaik |
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| 11:35.58 | joohoi | and providing full path to chsh is the intended use |
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| 11:36.41 | wewlad | joohoi: no, man disagrees: -s, --shell SHELL: The name of the user's new login shell. Setting this field to blank causes the system to select the default login shell. |
| 11:36.51 | wewlad | the name of the shell, not the path to the shell |
| 11:37.27 | joohoi | i wouldn't say it disagrees |
| 11:37.39 | wewlad | I would |
| 11:37.49 | wewlad | name != path |
| 11:38.05 | joohoi | it doesn't say filename either, so if you are trying to intepret that from word to word, you could come to an conclusion that you can name shells whatever |
| 11:38.11 | joohoi | give the name of your dog etc ;) |
| 11:38.22 | wewlad | zsh shell's name is 'zsh' |
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| 11:38.51 | wewlad | how to know where a symlink (I guess 0k zsh@ is a symlink) points to? |
| 11:38.55 | wewlad | I can't find the path of the real binary for zsh |
| 11:38.58 | wewlad | 'whereis' is damn useless |
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| 11:39.51 | markybob | wewlad: ls -l will tell you where a link points to |
| 11:39.55 | jelly | wewlad: readlink -f $(which zsh) |
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| 11:40.24 | wewlad | thanks pals, it turns out it's in /etc/alternatives/zsh-usrbin |
| 11:40.31 | jelly | no, no it's not :-) |
| 11:40.43 | jelly | that's another symlink |
| 11:40.47 | wewlad | oh |
| 11:40.51 | joohoi | wewlad: name of zsh is "the Z shell" |
| 11:40.59 | joohoi | the name referes to whatever entry is in /etc/shells |
| 11:41.30 | wewlad | okay |
| 11:41.38 | wewlad | so '/bin/zsh5' |
| 11:41.41 | inthl | I am connected from a terminal to some console-like system (steamOS), which has X running. Now I would like to use either the running X session (which is not kde or something afaik) or to create a new one, to launch some programs which require X. in any way the current running session may not be interrrupted or sent to background so that the new one becomes visible. how could one do that? I have not even managed to figure out wit |
| 11:41.41 | inthl | h what DISPLAY env variable the current one is running at |
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| 11:42.49 | wewlad | when do changes made by chsh get applied? |
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| 11:43.04 | wewlad | I chsh'ed to zsh and I open a new terminal and it's still bash |
| 11:43.05 | joohoi | on next login |
| 11:43.09 | wewlad | ah |
| 11:43.21 | lumidee | hi, is it okay to use a package from testing in jessie or is it likely to break things |
| 11:43.28 | jelly | lumidee: the latter |
| 11:43.31 | markybob | lumidee: it'll break |
| 11:43.35 | markybob | !tell lumidee about backports |
| 11:43.38 | lumidee | thanks for assuring |
| 11:43.39 | markybob | !tell lumidee about ssb |
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| 11:44.54 | joohoi | wewlad: however, i think you want to refer to the symlinks in system instead of the "real" binary |
| 11:45.25 | joohoi | the "5" in the end is most likely to note the major version, and i would guess the symlinks get changed dynamically to point to the latest and greatest in your system |
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| 11:45.51 | lumidee | i dont find a backport for the software 'bareos', but i could use their official repo which supports debian jessy |
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| 12:09.54 | khazakar | Hi all! I want to launch monopd server on my Debian Jessie server,but I cannot see it on gtkAtlantic.It can be because i have newer gtkatlantic and monopd on client tan on server? |
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| 12:48.37 | PewDiePieOne | Is anyone here ? |
| 12:49.58 | PewDiePieOne | anyone ever tryed to use internet over bluetooth tethering with android phone ? |
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| 12:50.57 | PewDiePieOne | I trying to get it working and I can't |
| 12:51.25 | khazakar | I tried :P |
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| 12:52.57 | nick2nick | I tried some settings with modprobe and now the boot sequence hangs. I tried disabling them in grub but its not working |
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| 12:53.22 | PewDiePieOne | I got PC and phone paired, then I run bluetoothd, then Pandora and it created interface bnep0, what now ? |
| 12:54.01 | PewDiePieOne | S/Pandora/pand |
| 12:55.47 | khazakar | Aren't you using network manager? |
| 12:55.55 | khazakar | or you're doing it on server? |
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| 12:56.25 | babilen | PewDiePieOne: I just connect to a wireless network I tether from my mobile ... no need to toy with bluetooth then |
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| 12:57.09 | teraflops | nick2nick: what did you tried? And what did you do for that settings being persistent? |
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| 12:57.45 | PewDiePieOne | khazakar: no I use only console |
| 12:58.25 | nick2nick | teraflops: I think I enabled enable_fbc=1 in a /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 12:59.44 | nick2nick | or some other setting, not sure |
| 12:59.59 | teraflops | Nick2nick then delete that file /Etc/moderate.d/thefileyoucreated and reboot |
| 13:00.19 | nick2nick | I can't make it a console |
| 13:00.25 | nick2nick | to* |
| 13:01.01 | teraflops | nick2nick: sorry is this ducking phone |
| 13:01.43 | nick2nick | teraflops: huh? |
| 13:01.55 | teraflops | nick2nick: boot with the debian iso in rescue mode |
| 13:01.57 | nick2nick | teraflops: my irc session? yes |
| 13:02.37 | teraflops | nick2nick: nah my typos I'm on the phone |
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| 13:05.48 | shibly | Is it possible to install gnome-core on virtualbox on windows? |
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| 13:08.54 | nick2nick | teraflops: ð |
| 13:09.07 | nick2nick | teraflops: I did a type in my .conf |
| 13:09.22 | nick2nick | teraflops: fixed ð |
| 13:09.35 | nick2nick | typo* |
| 13:09.37 | teraflops | nick2nick: heh |
| 13:09.57 | nick2nick | thanks teraflops |
| 13:10.08 | teraflops | Np |
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| 13:11.14 | teraflops | shibly: I'm not sure what are you asking. What's the real problem? |
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| 13:13.47 | shibly | teraflops, Installing gnome on virtualbox |
| 13:14.07 | teraflops | And? |
| 13:14.15 | shibly | teraflops, Debian with gnome on virtualbox |
| 13:14.31 | teraflops | Heh OK. What's the problem? |
| 13:14.36 | shibly | teraflops, Is it possible to install gnome on virtualbox? |
| 13:14.41 | teraflops | Sure |
| 13:15.20 | shibly | I've selected desktop-environment and utility-programs during installation,but it looked gnome was not installed |
| 13:15.30 | shibly | I got only console based terminal |
| 13:16.18 | teraflops | shibly: maybe your video drivers are not fine for gnome. Or you missed some vbox specifics |
| 13:16.53 | teraflops | Guest additions or whatever I don't do vbox |
| 13:17.54 | shibly | But if i installed debian in a separate partition then would i be able to get gnome? |
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| 13:18.01 | shibly | With the same video driver |
| 13:18.24 | shibly | Video driver should not be a problem |
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| 13:22.42 | teraflops | shibly: you mean real installation just in another partition? |
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| 13:30.40 | Cloudwalker42 | hey can someone explain me how to merge two paritions on runtime? I have much allocated space on a live system (sdb) and want to add it to the rootfs (sda). Is this even possible with existent data on the rootfs ? |
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| 13:32.52 | Rico | hello |
| 13:33.23 | Rico | I have a problem with apache2 and /usr/share/javascript/. i've checked apache2 config, and I have the alias /javascript redirecting to /usr/share/javascript/ |
| 13:33.30 | Rico | but it still does not work |
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| 13:39.01 | de-facto | is something like 328988 rss normal memory usage for clamav? |
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| 13:42.39 | de-facto | im still trying to find out why debian spends so much time in i/o wait (wa in top). Are there any methods to investigate that further? |
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| 13:44.39 | de-facto | my vps was moved to another node, i defragmented the virtual hdd from the host systems view, its a bit faster now but still got high peaks in i/o wait time |
| 13:45.56 | vegardx | Impossible to say, as that is dependent on a million factors. |
| 13:46.14 | vegardx | But if you are IO-strapped go get something not based on technology from the 60s. |
| 13:46.18 | vegardx | (hint: SSDs) |
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| 13:48.32 | backportus | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-backports wheezy-backports main |
| 13:48.39 | backportus | why doesn't this work? 404 on apt-get update :O :O |
| 13:48.45 | backportus | yes, I asked yesterday, too |
| 13:48.46 | jordanm | de-facto: you are probably sharing IO with many other customers |
| 13:48.49 | backportus | sorry for my ephemeral nickname |
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| 13:50.02 | vegardx | backportus: Because it only contains oldoldstable (squeeze) |
| 13:50.31 | de-facto | jordanm yes but it was moved to another node now (with less load, so they said). I cant see the other vps on my host, but i was asking myself what i could to from within debian (guest) to make it faster, do you have any ideas where i could try to tune? |
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| 13:51.50 | da3m0n22 | hey all, Icedove (Thunderbird) is running awfully slow on my machine, I have 4 physical CPUs, and it seems like, it's using only one of them, but to the fullest (100%), is there any tweaking available on machines, where there is enough cpu/memory available? |
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| 13:52.52 | da3m0n22 | seems strange to me, that on new ssd (on sata 6.0), with 16GB+ ram and 4 xeon cores (8 in HT) is icedove unable to run smoothly, with only 5 imap accounts connected (searching and refresh rate is slow, opening email as well) |
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| 13:53.32 | da3m0n22 | backportus: because there is no wheezy-backports folder in here: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/ |
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| 13:56.22 | vegardx | You have to look at the backports documentation to find a list of available mirrors. |
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| 13:58.25 | jordanm | de-facto: that means they oversell everywhere, not just on your previous node |
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| 13:59.07 | jordanm | de-facto: AWS gp2 volumes have dedicated IOPs |
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| 14:00.01 | vegardx | Or just go bare metal somewhere, like online.net. |
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| 14:01.16 | de-facto | jordanm i mean its very much better on the new node but still got some peaks in i/o wait. Except for avoiding running in to swap, is there really nothing i could do about it on client/guest/debian side ? |
| 14:02.11 | backportus | da3m0n22: where can I get them instead? these? |
| 14:02.15 | backportus | backports |
| 14:02.16 | backportus | for wheezy |
| 14:02.19 | jordanm | de-facto: if it's openvz or some kind of container system, then no, nothing at all since you can't adjust kernel params |
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| 14:03.06 | jordanm | de-facto: if it's not, you can try adjusting things like the I/O scheduler, but that's unlikely to have any kind of large impact. you can't make the disks go faster |
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| 14:03.21 | de-facto | its kvm |
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| 14:04.47 | de-facto | i have "full" control over the hdd's content (debian jessie), but almost no control over the host system of course |
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| 14:05.18 | backportus | anyone? :O |
| 14:05.47 | vegardx | If you are running into swap you are over committing memory to things, simple as that. |
| 14:06.01 | vegardx | backportus: I told you earlier. Look at the documentation. |
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| 14:06.52 | vegardx | This makes me believe they are doing something massive: http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
| 14:07.20 | TomTomTosch | backportus: you google "debian mirror list", stumble upon this site: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list find a mirror near you and switch to that. |
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| 14:10.52 | TomTomTosch | backportus: you can switch your mirror by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and doing an 'apt-get update' afterwards. |
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| 14:16.20 | pointless | hi? |
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| 14:16.47 | TomTomTosch | yes. |
| 14:17.04 | pointless | can somebody here help with getting up an internet web radio station interface server? |
| 14:17.21 | pointless | can somebody here help with getting up a streaming service for web cam? |
| 14:17.29 | pointless | can somebody here help me? |
| 14:17.37 | pointless | ? |
| 14:17.38 | pointless | . |
| 14:17.39 | pointless | = |
| 14:17.41 | vegardx | Sounds pretty pointless. |
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| 14:18.00 | pointless | not pointless at all |
| 14:18.19 | TomTomTosch | pointless: if you stop spamming and explain what you want exactly, maybe. |
| 14:18.28 | pointless | I just said |
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| 14:18.45 | pointless | I just said exactly |
| 14:18.47 | TomTomTosch | wtf is an internet web radio station interface server? |
| 14:18.57 | pointless | yuo dunno even taht? |
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| 14:19.13 | pointless | it is used to stream web radio |
| 14:19.16 | TomTomTosch | greate. to the ignore list! |
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| 14:19.25 | pointless | I can do taht myself |
| 14:19.29 | pointless | but |
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| 14:19.34 | vegardx | That's like telling your carpenter that you want "one house". |
| 14:19.37 | pointless | I need help with a better service |
| 14:19.44 | jmcnaught | pointless: are you asking what software to use? |
| 14:19.50 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell pointless about enter |
| 14:20.06 | pointless | vegardx: you are a carpenter, IÃ thought you was a coder ... bad me. |
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| 14:20.13 | pointless | jmcnaught: no |
| 14:20.22 | pointless | jmcnaught: I need a video cam server |
| 14:20.27 | pointless | jmcnaught: I need a video cam streaming server |
| 14:20.37 | pointless | I have no money now |
| 14:20.37 | vegardx | What is a video cam? |
| 14:20.40 | vegardx | Hahaha |
| 14:20.43 | vegardx | We got trolled. |
| 14:20.47 | pointless | jerk |
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| 14:20.56 | vegardx | God damn it. I have to go get a cup of something to drink. |
| 14:21.01 | pointless | err |
| 14:21.05 | pointless | I meant a web cam¨ |
| 14:21.08 | pointless | of course |
| 14:21.10 | pointless | sorry |
| 14:21.15 | pointless | bbl |
| 14:21.28 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell pointless about smart questions |
| 14:21.54 | jmcnaught | pointless: please review the messages from dpkg and maybe check out http://blends.debian.org/multimedia/tasks/broadcasting |
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| 14:24.14 | pointless | jmcnaught: smart info; I invite #debian to frame Norwegian Police |
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| 14:24.41 | pointless | I am gonna have my web cam recording 24/7 from my house |
| 14:24.52 | pointless | and broadcast it live on the internet |
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| 14:26.53 | navlelo_ | pointless: why? |
| 14:27.47 | jmcnaught | pointless: being muted is no reason to start private messaging me |
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| 14:31.14 | sagatak | forgot how "entertaining" #debian can be |
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| 14:32.08 | ghormoon | hi, should be wc -c and wc -m different for utf8 and utf16? or is utf16 char counted as two even for -m? |
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| 14:34.58 | Cloudwalker42 | ? |
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| 14:35.39 | ghormoon | I've been doing some filtering and got quite scared that after filtering out 10% of data, the file has about 40% original size, but it's utf8 instead of original utf16 |
| 14:35.57 | ghormoon | but both wc -c and wc -m give me the high count on the original file |
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| 14:38.17 | kriskropd | does anyone know why this happens? I have an apache2 config with a self signed certificate set to expire in the year 2025 - it's been working just fine for the past year or so, but now suddenly it's producing this error in browser "ssl_error_rx_record_too_long" |
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| 14:39.06 | ghormoon | did you touch the config? I had this yesterday when I've forgot to turn on ssl for the 443 port in ngnix :) |
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| 14:41.22 | bezaban | yeah, does openssl s_client -connect host:443 return a certificate? |
| 14:41.51 | bezaban | I've had that one too, but can't remember the specifics |
| 14:42.11 | bezaban | possibly messed up rewriterule too iirc |
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| 14:53.59 | kriskropd | I havent touched the configs |
| 14:54.06 | kriskropd | it just started happening |
| 14:54.22 | kriskropd | im not using port 443 on this though - I'm using a custom port |
| 14:54.45 | queso | So Iceweasel was replaced by Firefox, which is fine. But the scroll bars are no longer gnome-2 style (I use xfce) and now they're gnome-3 style. There are no up and down arrows. And when I click on the open area of the scroll bar, instead of going one page at a time it jumps to the clicked spot. This makes navigating large pages impossible without a scroll wheel. |
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| 14:55.11 | greycat | Sounds like a post-stable thing. |
| 14:55.12 | queso | Suggestions on what I should do? |
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| 14:55.35 | queso | (I'm using Firefox release through backports) |
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| 14:56.46 | jmcnaught | queso: can you use the pgup and pgdn keys? arrow keys? space bar for next page? |
| 14:57.45 | kriskropd | queso: firefox has options for controlling those features you said - I can't really help you find them atm though - if you can't find in google, maybe ask on #firefox in irc.mozilla.net |
| 14:57.55 | greycat | Failing all that, ask a firefox channel how to change the scroll bars. Maybe there's an about:config setting. |
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| 14:59.40 | queso | jmcnaught: I could, but it'd be nice if I could use my mouse as I was using it before. :) |
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| 14:59.54 | queso | This might do the trick: http://askubuntu.com/questions/295988/how-to-fix-gtk3-scrollbar-behavior |
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| 15:00.16 | queso | Sorry, should have googled first. Though, I've tried googling before and had a hard time finding anything. |
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| 15:01.12 | queso | Thanks for the help, all. |
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| 15:05.58 | lss9 | https://wiki.debian.org/SettingUpSignedAptRepositoryWithReprepro |
| 15:06.09 | lss9 | why do they suggest to prevent public access to the db and conf folder? |
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| 15:08.02 | queso | Incidentally, that link I posted above worked. And this worked for getting the arrow buttons back to the scrollbars: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/226879/whats-the-best-way-to-restore-the-arrows-to-my-scroll-bars |
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| 15:09.17 | Tazmain | hi all, if I start tomcat7 with service tomcat7 start , will it call the setenv.sh file ? |
| 15:10.24 | themill | lss9: mostly because there's nothing in there that anyone should be looking at |
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| 15:27.55 | mx_ | hi |
| 15:28.00 | stoned | hi |
| 15:28.14 | mx_ | what is the best backup tool for debian |
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| 15:28.32 | greycat | It's not a one-size-fits-all thing. |
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| 15:29.02 | stoned | baccula? rsync? |
| 15:29.10 | mx_ | for personal use |
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| 15:29.13 | stoned | Hey greycat |
| 15:29.14 | stoned | o/ |
| 15:29.21 | greycat | Depends most importantly on *what* you are writing to. |
| 15:29.33 | stoned | From Baccula to rsync... and everything in between |
| 15:29.41 | greycat | Tapes? Floppies? CD-R? USB thumb drive? Stone tablets? |
| 15:29.49 | roger_du_31 | rsync -> do not activete the delete option |
| 15:29.58 | stoned | mx_, what is your backup medium? |
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| 15:30.10 | mx_ | usb hard drive |
| 15:30.15 | greycat | Then you want rsync. |
| 15:30.19 | stoned | rysnc |
| 15:30.21 | stoned | yeah |
| 15:30.36 | stoned | USB hdd are not really a good medium for backup |
| 15:30.49 | stoned | they are in motion, and they are portable, hence they take more risk factors |
| 15:31.02 | jelly | mx_: also, don't reinvent scripts or corn jobs, use an existing rsync wrapper like dirvish or rsnapshot |
| 15:31.09 | stoned | Unless you want to use it only as a backup and not move it around from place to place. |
| 15:31.12 | jelly | don't reinvent cron jobs either. |
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| 15:32.10 | mx_ | are rsync is reliable? |
| 15:32.16 | stoned | https://github.com/astrada/google-drive-ocamlfuse |
| 15:32.19 | stoned | This is realiable. |
| 15:32.25 | stoned | Free 15gb google storage, iirc. |
| 15:32.31 | greycat | It copies files. It is as reliable as the medium to which you copy the files. |
| 15:32.32 | stoned | Another option you might consider. |
| 15:32.36 | backportus | vegardx: sorry for my ignorance - I use a scm (puppet) - hence it generates a wrong sources list file due to other reasons |
| 15:32.47 | stoned | FuseFS for google drive and you can save there. |
| 15:32.51 | jelly | crashplan I'd call reliable; some random script from github...? eh |
| 15:33.13 | stoned | it's written in ocaml. Interesting |
| 15:33.15 | greycat | does not consider "storage space rented from a company that may or may not be in business 10 years from now" to be a real backup. |
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| 15:33.39 | stoned | I think Google will be around |
| 15:34.25 | backportus | vegardx: right, the list is empty :O http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
| 15:34.30 | backportus | vegardx: any alternative for it? |
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| 15:35.03 | mx_ | as a result i use rsnapshot |
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| 15:35.47 | mx_ | or baccula |
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| 15:36.12 | stoned | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqEg37e4Mkw |
| 15:36.16 | stoned | Oh whopos |
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| 15:36.22 | themill | backportus: you've got the wrong URL for wheezy-backports entirely. http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 15:43.37 | sgfltx | what's the recommended way to get rid of the dependency/suggestion for exim4/some sort of system mail program? is there a nullmailer that is *actually* a nullmailer (i.e. just swallows everything)? |
| 15:44.17 | mx_ | is baccula for personal use is enough? |
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| 15:48.27 | de-facto | is there any reason why debian 7 would run way faster than debian 8 on a kvm vps (i have two of those, so i different hosts)? |
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| 15:59.51 | de-facto | the jessie guest is really slow: time sh -c "dd if=ddfile of=/dev/zero bs=8k count=250000 && sync" yields ~18 MB/s and ~75MB/s write. on the wheezy guest its more like 100 MB/s read and 250 MB/s write |
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| 16:00.12 | de-facto | i get the feeling something is really wrong with the jessie guest somehow |
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| 16:01.46 | de-facto | can this be debian related or is that just the host system difference? |
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| 16:02.57 | de-facto | jessie peaks into 99% i/o wait but wheezy just into like 50-70% |
| 16:03.29 | jelly | de-facto: are you testing for something specific with that low a bs= ? |
| 16:03.40 | MaBunny | how did you check the i-o rate de-facto??? |
| 16:04.04 | greycat | of=/dev/zero? really? |
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| 16:04.36 | jelly | ha |
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| 16:04.52 | de-facto | greycat just for a quick comparison of the two systems |
| 16:05.12 | greycat | *writing* to /dev/zero? |
| 16:05.16 | jelly | de-facto: should we assume you actually wrote to /dev/null, and you actually read from /dv/zero, instead? |
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| 16:05.41 | greycat | I think he intended to do if=/dev/zero of=ddfile |
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| 16:07.45 | jelly | greycat: well, it appears my /dev/zero accepts write()s anyway |
| 16:07.48 | de-facto | yeah sorry i read from dev zero and write to file, then read from file and write to null |
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| 16:09.08 | de-facto | MaBunny i just observe system load in top while i "dd" in another terminal |
| 16:09.33 | jelly | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/zero bs=8k count=200 ... [...]200+0 records out |
| 16:09.43 | jelly | TIL |
| 16:10.39 | greycat | jelly: I actually knew that, sorta, from having read "man zero" before. |
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| 16:10.47 | greycat | jelly: but it was obviously not what he wanted to say |
| 16:11.07 | MaBunny | i mean how...i use system monitor to check the ram usage...but i did like more of a process hacker like thing in windows if possible |
| 16:11.08 | de-facto | so what could cause that difference between jessie and wheezy (apart from the kvm host)? |
| 16:12.12 | jelly | de-facto: any number of things, starting from a difference in storage engine and VM config |
| 16:12.26 | jelly | s/storage engine/storage backend/ |
| 16:13.11 | de-facto | yeah but i mean what differences could cause that in the guest (apart from anything host/backend related)? |
| 16:14.08 | jelly | dunno, boot the same kernel on both at least. |
| 16:15.02 | tuxopenwrt | jmcnaught: I have a new installation but i screwed up partitions by choosing different partitions for /home, /var. etc i think. I was installing a software and seems everthing went into / instead of /home.. (http://pastebin.com/xgfPR5nH) |
| 16:15.19 | jelly | de-facto: if it's not the same host and storage, I'd first try to make them the same then look at the guest |
| 16:15.23 | tuxopenwrt | please suggest the easiest way to get around |
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| 16:17.37 | de-facto | jelly can it be the scheduler maybe (cat /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler): on jessie i have "none" but on wheezy i have "noop deadline [cfq]" |
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| 16:23.51 | de-facto | how do i change the scheduler on jessie? |
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| 16:25.08 | de-facto | just echoing it into /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler does not have any effect |
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| 16:30.03 | de-facto | does jessie support schedulers? |
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| 16:34.09 | jxcl | any eta on the openssl patch to hit the jesse repos? |
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| 16:43.58 | backporty | hi again |
| 16:44.04 | backporty | well, thank you for your help, it works now |
| 16:44.34 | backporty | and I learned that backport mirrors got no country specific subdomain, so it has to be ftp.debian.org, not ftp.de(or whatever).debian.org . |
| 16:44.46 | backporty | probably because backports are smaller and/or less numerous |
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| 16:48.09 | debby_ | some strange thing happened, probably some bug in web irc client or spam |
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| 16:48.17 | debby_ | suddenly lots of tabs popped up in my irc client :O |
| 16:48.20 | debby_ | hm |
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| 16:48.52 | MaBunny | hey guys im back |
| 16:49.10 | MaBunny | so im trying to update and install make on my computer |
| 16:49.48 | MaBunny | but the server from which im getting(or got b4) my updates isnt working or idk |
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| 16:50.23 | MaBunny | it gives the following message: "99% [2 InRelease gpgv 244 B] [Connecting to ftp.uk.debian.org (78.129.164.123)]Splitting up /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_jessie_InRIgn http://ftp.uk.debian.org jessie InRelease |
| 16:50.24 | MaBunny | W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://security.debian.org jessie/updates InRelease: Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NODATA' (does the network require authentication?)" |
| 16:50.31 | jhutchins | debby_: That's often seen If you hit certain kinds of malware sites. |
| 16:50.32 | MaBunny | opps srry guys |
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| 16:50.56 | debby_ | jhutchins: scary :O |
| 16:51.02 | debby_ | jhutchins: I got antivirus and latest chrome - but still |
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| 16:51.28 | petn-randall | debby_: Are you running Debian on that machine? |
| 16:51.31 | jhutchins | debby_: Anything unusual in the tabs? |
| 16:51.41 | teraflops | petn-randall: i dont think so |
| 16:52.01 | debby_ | jhutchins, petn-randall: with tabs I mean the tabs in the freenode irc client (it also got tabs for channels and such) |
| 16:52.10 | debby_ | suddenly some strange spam-like works appear in new tabs |
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| 16:52.15 | debby_ | I restarted the irc cient (reloading the page) |
| 16:52.34 | MaBunny | it might be random users |
| 16:52.39 | jhutchins | MaBunny: Sound like the server might have a temporary problem. You could try a different one. |
| 16:53.02 | MaBunny | ok...but where do i get the server lists??? |
| 16:53.17 | jhutchins | !mirrors |
| 16:53.17 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <httpredir.debian.org>, <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:53.21 | jhutchins | MaBunny: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 16:53.38 | MaBunny | ok...well i forgot tht |
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| 16:58.11 | MaBunny | who the fuck is hospitably??? |
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| 17:05.59 | MaBunny | guys i was ust dossed |
| 17:06.50 | MaBunny | i mean to say tht multiple users just tried to send me some text files in this network |
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| 17:08.15 | greycat | People offering you stuff can be spam, but doesn't sound like a denial of service attack. |
| 17:08.36 | greycat | If you're being privately spammed, you can complain in #freenode. |
| 17:08.48 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 17:09.20 | MaBunny | but it was more of ppl sending me stuff with no registered names |
| 17:09.41 | greycat | Of course they are probably clever enough not to on-join spam me. |
| 17:09.54 | MaBunny | haha |
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| 17:11.32 | Guest1 | Any particular idea why upgrading a computer to kernel 4.x from Debian backports causes it to hang at boot? Just a black screen with a blinking cursor that bounces from one side of the screen to the other. Same computer boots fine with the kernel currently in "stable". Just curious. |
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| 17:12.08 | greycat | File a bug report against the non-working kernel. |
| 17:12.51 | Guest1 | Will do, same kernel works fine on other machines, but this is the only 32 bit only machine I've seen in a while. |
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| 17:13.46 | jhutchins | 0000 |
| 17:14.24 | buu | guys |
| 17:14.34 | buu | How do I cancel a systemd start job during boot |
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| 17:14.46 | dex|wrk | chkconfig ? |
| 17:14.57 | greycat | If you mean "upon future boots", you want systemctl disable service.name |
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| 17:15.16 | greycat | If you mean "from the GRUB prompt, for this one time" then it's a bit trickier. |
| 17:15.42 | buu | I mean it's currently saying "a start job is running ... (17 min / no limit) |
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| 17:15.48 | buu | And I'd really like it to die |
| 17:16.09 | greycat | Is it "start my network"? |
| 17:16.15 | buu | no, load zfs pool |
| 17:16.41 | greycat | You'll probably have to disable it at the GRUB prompt, after rebooting (soft or hard). |
| 17:16.52 | buu | What magic is involved there? |
| 17:18.01 | jmcnaught | tuxopenwrt: hey. honestly i would consider redoing it and choosing "all in one partition" this time. Debian does not install software to /home. you could spend some time moving things around, but it's probably quicker and more straightforward just to start over |
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| 17:19.59 | jmcnaught | tuxopenwrt: i wouldn't even bother with separate /home to be honest, just use the guided partitioning - all in one unless you have a special reason to need separate volumes. or consider using the guided partitioning with LVM option if you want some flexibility |
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| 17:20.59 | MaBunny | guys should i comment the previous mirrorslist tht ive in the sources.list?? |
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| 17:22.15 | Guest1 | I do what jmcnaught does. If you want to keep your home contents as a whole, just do "cp -Rf $HOME /your/backup/location" then restore it over top of your new home if you have to reformat. |
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| 17:23.11 | greycat | uses a separate /home |
| 17:23.13 | de-facto | how can i set an i/o scheduler on debian jessie? |
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| 17:25.23 | lumidee | what do you do if you want to install newer software on debian stable, but there are no backports or other repos for it? |
| 17:25.33 | lumidee | just compile yourself and hope you dont break things? ^ |
| 17:25.43 | markybob | !tell lumidee about ssb |
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| 17:26.26 | greycat | buu: well, couldn't find that on the web... if you can't find it either, then maybe what you need to do instead is to enable the systemd emergency console. Then maybe you can use that while the system is still booting. Or, maybe you need to boot from rescue media and disable that zfs thing altogether. |
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| 17:28.30 | greycat | lumidee: depends on the package, for me. Sometimes the ssb process is OK, sometimes it's easier just to build upstream source in /usr/local and forego the packaaging. |
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| 17:31.13 | MaBunny | guys its still not working |
| 17:31.43 | MaBunny | heres wht i get: "W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://security.debian.org jessie/updates InRelease: Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NODATA' (does the network require authentication?) |
| 17:31.45 | MaBunny | E: GPG error: http://ftp.dk.debian.org jessie InRelease: Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NODATA' (does the network require authentication?)" |
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| 17:32.52 | lumidee | markybob, greycat good to know, thanks. so ssb process basically uses sid's repo and tries to get around dep issues by using `aptitude build-dep` |
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| 17:33.36 | greycat | ssb uses sid's *source* packages, and attempts to compile them using your stable (or testing) libraries. Not always successfully, as sometimes you need more and more and more and more and more and more fucking libraries. |
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| 17:35.52 | greycat | And then sometimes you get to the point where you need a utility that doesn't exist in (old)stable, and that utility isn't actually part of a -dev package but is instead part of the dpkg package. Not making this up. Can't make this up. |
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| 17:37.09 | lumidee | well, that's not bad, so build-dep is clever enough to configure the packages against testing's libs |
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| 17:38.44 | MaBunny | i tried the uk server b4,now the denmark one |
| 17:38.56 | MaBunny | both didnt work |
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| 17:39.51 | MaBunny | any help guys??? |
| 17:40.16 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: the error you're getting is for security.debian.org so changing the other mirrors won't help |
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| 17:40.27 | jmcnaught | !which security.debian.org |
| 17:40.27 | dpkg | The security.debian.org servers use GeoDNS to select a close mirror to you. To work out which mirror: curl -o /dev/null -s -w '%{remote_ip}\n' http://security.debian.org/dists/ |
| 17:40.29 | MaBunny | ok |
| 17:40.43 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: try that ^^ |
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| 17:41.03 | MaBunny | ok thnx jmcnaught :) |
| 17:41.07 | lumidee | greycat, could you also use testings repo instead of sids repo if you find your package already there |
| 17:41.31 | greycat | Yes, you can do a "simple testing backport" too. Same process, just using testing deb-src lines instead of unstable deb-src lines. |
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| 17:41.54 | greycat | **DO NOT** try to install a binary .deb from testing on stable, though. |
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| 17:43.50 | MaBunny | so...the terminal says i dont hav curl :( |
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| 17:44.08 | MaBunny | is it down temporarily? |
| 17:44.13 | greycat | do you have wget? |
| 17:44.22 | MaBunny | i can wait till tomorrow |
| 17:44.24 | MaBunny | yeah i guess |
| 17:44.36 | MaBunny | yeah i hav |
| 17:44.36 | jmcnaught | MaBunny: it's working for me, but i probably get a different mirror than you for security.d.o |
| 17:44.43 | greycat | Oh. Damn it. It's THROWING AWAY the retrieved data, and just using curl's status display. So wget won't work as a substitute. |
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| 17:45.27 | MaBunny | ok...but i can wait till tomorrow if its down temporarily :) |
| 17:46.10 | lumidee | greycat, thanks for clarifying. with ssb i might go for debian 8 then instead of testing |
| 17:46.17 | greycat | I only get a warning (W:) about no public key for some hex number. |
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| 17:47.42 | MaBunny | ok...i will try tomorrow |
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| 17:48.24 | gnat_x_ | i'm trying to add routes to a custom table via the network interfaces file, using post-up. however, nothing ever seems to ever populate the table. |
| 17:48.27 | gnat_x_ | https://paste.debian.net/679675/ |
| 17:48.34 | gnat_x_ | that's an example of the thing i'm trying. |
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| 17:48.50 | gnat_x_ | those route commands work when i run them manually |
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| 17:49.42 | gnat_x_ | is that not the place to do that? should i be running that in a script somewhere? |
| 17:50.17 | gnat_x_ | a lot of what i'm reading on the internet suggests that what i'm trying to do should work. |
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| 17:51.50 | dfcnvt | Can someone give me a quick confirmation whether there's a problem with fonts on my browser side, their server side, or my computer side? http://imgur.com/pBQDdNR |
| 17:51.58 | dfcnvt | http://www.ted.com/talks/r_luke_dubois_insightful_human_portraits_made_from_data |
| 17:52.19 | dfcnvt | Please check the link and look at the summary for fonts. Are you seeing the same as the image above? |
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| 17:53.53 | roycroft | hello, folks |
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| 17:54.43 | roycroft | is there a system-wide setting that would have utilities default to using vi instead of pico or whatever that curse-sbased editor is, without my having to set the EDITOR envirotnmental variable for every user? |
| 17:54.53 | roycroft | i'm using mostly jessie |
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| 17:55.03 | roycroft | and that's environment |
| 17:55.08 | roycroft | i can't spell/type :) |
| 17:55.48 | lumidee | greycat, what do you do if at a later point debian stable has the package you want, would you remove the compiled apt-get package from sid/testing and install new from stable repos |
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| 17:55.58 | jmcnaught | roycroft: there's the alternatives system. "update-alternatives --display editor" to see the options |
| 17:56.16 | dfcnvt | roycroft, I can't last remember if vim were already installed along with the current version but if you can't use vim as we speak then you can simply 'sudo apt-get install vim' to get one. |
| 17:56.18 | roycroft | thanks! |
| 17:56.32 | roycroft | vi(m) is installed with the base system |
| 17:57.21 | greycat | one of the flavors of it, anyway |
| 17:57.24 | TomTomTo1 | only the fake vi :3 |
| 17:57.37 | roycroft | and yes, update-alternatives looks like it will do fine |
| 17:57.49 | module000 | roycroft: update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 17:58.01 | roycroft | nvi would be best, but linux folks are not fond of bsd licenses, so i understand why nvi is not there |
| 17:58.18 | greycat | ,v nvi |
| 17:58.19 | judd | Package: nvi on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.81.6-8.1; wheezy: 1.81.6-8.2; jessie: 1.81.6-11+b1; sid: 1.81.6-12; stretch: 1.81.6-12 |
| 17:58.30 | roycroft | oh, it can be there |
| 17:58.32 | roycroft | brilliant |
| 17:58.33 | dfcnvt | Alright cool. Can someone here do me a favor. Check both links and get back to me if you see the same fonts issue or if they're separate. Not sure if I have fonts issue. |
| 17:58.36 | dfcnvt | r_luke_dubois_insightful_human_portraits_made_from_data |
| 17:58.39 | dfcnvt | http://imgur.com/pBQDdNR |
| 17:58.42 | dfcnvt | Please compare them. |
| 17:59.22 | dfcnvt | Doh, that was halve link -- here's a full link: http://www.ted.com/talks/r_luke_dubois_insightful_human_portraits_made_from_data |
| 17:59.30 | roycroft | excellent |
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| 17:59.43 | roycroft | and it even created the correct symlink so that /usr/bin/vi links to /usr/bin/nvi |
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| 18:00.13 | omar_ | hi someone here are using xfce?? |
| 18:00.33 | omar_ | what is the name of the default file manager of xfce?? |
| 18:00.37 | roycroft | life with linux just got a *WHOLE* lot better |
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| 18:00.42 | markybob | thunar |
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| 18:01.30 | gnat_x | omar_: thunar |
| 18:01.35 | omar_ | markybob: thanks |
| 18:02.06 | jaggz | how do I handle installing, with jessie-backports in my sources, when a 3rd party deb wants a package (mono-complete), but I'm getting a bunch of "not going to be installed" messages |
| 18:02.08 | roycroft | i have been using bsd since bill joy came up with the tape and loaded it on a vax at the uni back in 1979 or 80 |
| 18:02.11 | jaggz | (on mono-complete's dependencies) |
| 18:02.14 | roycroft | i'm fairly new to linux, though |
| 18:02.15 | jaggz | including one like: mono-complete : Depends: mono-runtime (= 3.2.8+dfsg-10) but 3.10.0-0xamarin2 is to be installed |
| 18:02.45 | omar_ | another questions i just installed debian jessie right now xfce version what would be the next step for me?? |
| 18:02.45 | markybob | jaggz: third party repos can't really be supported |
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| 18:03.04 | jaggz | not a 3rd party repo.. just a .deb |
| 18:03.09 | greycat | jaggz: Typically I would handle that by removing the third party repo and forsaking whatever it was I was trying to do. |
| 18:03.11 | jaggz | or is backports considered 3rd party? |
| 18:03.17 | gnat_x | omar_: start using the computer? (unless swomthing is broken) |
| 18:03.30 | greycat | Changing the question to try to trick us into supporting your 3rd party repo is a dick move. |
| 18:03.50 | jaggz | ? |
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| 18:04.11 | buu | I have a much more interesting question |
| 18:04.26 | greycat | It's the same as the guys who come here and ask for help with their Ubuntu (or other non-Debian) system, then when we call them on it, they repeat the exact same question but claim to be on Debian. |
| 18:04.28 | omar_ | gnat_x: i mean what configuration should i use or suggestions?? |
| 18:04.31 | buu | Anyone have an idea how I could test if a pcie slot on a mobo was 'going bad' |
| 18:04.39 | jaggz | what change? |
| 18:04.56 | roycroft | departs before things get too political here |
| 18:05.00 | greycat | 14:02 jaggz> how do I handle installing, with jessie-backports in my sources, when a 3rd party deb wants a package (mono-complete), but [...] |
| 18:05.04 | roycroft | thanks for the help though! :) |
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| 18:05.08 | greycat | 14:03 jaggz> not a 3rd party repo.. just a .deb |
| 18:05.12 | jaggz | right, 3rd party .deb |
| 18:05.15 | greycat | 14:03 jaggz> or is backports considered 3rd party? |
| 18:05.33 | jaggz | I'm a very consistent person |
| 18:05.44 | dfcnvt | Can someone please look at the summary and compare the fonts between those two links: http://goo.gl/01mL6a && http://imgur.com/GZ0XwLu |
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| 18:06.00 | greycat | Your .deb from a 3rd party repository is not supportable here. Even if that repository just has one package in it. |
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| 18:06.13 | jaggz | oh.. didn't know that. just downloaded it from their webpage |
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| 18:06.50 | gnat_x | omar_: that is pure taste, i have a set of settings that i've been using for the last 9 or so years, but those aren't for everyone. I would play around in the settings editor, and associated tools to create the kind of environment you want. or at least ses what's possible. |
| 18:06.59 | markybob | you need to dpkg --purge whatever crap you installed |
| 18:07.01 | jaggz | okay.. well I can compile their source too.. but it'll want mono-complete installed, and that's what I'm having the problem with |
| 18:07.17 | markybob | debian has mono-complete. you didn't have to go outside |
| 18:08.00 | jaggz | it says I have held broken packages |
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| 18:08.11 | greycat | Remove all third-party crap, and then fix them. |
| 18:08.22 | greycat | ,v mono-complete |
| 18:08.23 | judd | Package: mono-complete on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.7-5.1; squeeze-security: 2.6.7-5.1; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6.7-5.1+deb6u2; wheezy: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; jessie: 3.2.8+dfsg-10; stretch: 4.2.1.102+dfsg2-6; sid: 4.2.1.102+dfsg2-7 |
| 18:08.31 | de-facto | does anyone have a clue if jessie kernels support schedulers? im spending a lot of time in i/o wait on jessie, not so much in wheezy though |
| 18:08.36 | markybob | i told you. dpkg --purge the crap |
| 18:08.40 | omar_ | ok |
| 18:08.43 | jaggz | http://paste.debian.net/679696/ |
| 18:09.03 | markybob | i can't be any more clear |
| 18:09.07 | markybob | i give up |
| 18:09.26 | dfcnvt | Can someone please look at the summary and compare the fonts between those two links: http://goo.gl/01mL6a && http://imgur.com/GZ0XwLu |
| 18:09.37 | dfcnvt | I need to know if the fonts are the issues on Debian. |
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| 18:09.44 | jaggz | markybob, I'm looking for what to purge.. this package wasn't installed.. mono-complete is not installed |
| 18:09.50 | greycat | You're supposed to break into his system, tediously analyze the output of dpkg -l, figure out which packages he has installed from third-party repositories, and tell him what to purge. |
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| 18:10.16 | greycat | jaggz: WE DO NOT KNOW what the fuck you installed from non-Debian sources. YOU KNOW. So YOU know what to purge. We do not. |
| 18:10.49 | gnat_x | omar_: it also depends on your hardware and what you want to do with it. i tend to prefer speed and simplicity over opaque/transparent windows for example. |
| 18:11.27 | gnat_x | omar_: but again, you can turn window compositing on if that sort of thing is helpful to you. |
| 18:11.58 | omar_ | gnat_x: what is window compositing on is?? |
| 18:12.04 | dfcnvt | This is wearisome, nobody listening to me. |
| 18:12.06 | TomTomTo1 | jaggz: a good idea would be to go into /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and clean that up. then you can search with "aptitude search '~o'" things that are no longer indexed should be listed. |
| 18:12.14 | module000 | greycat: lies. if IRC has taught me one thing...it's that anyone in any #linuxchannel knows what you want before you ask, and has intimate knowledge of your system to tell you exactly what to type. |
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| 18:13.00 | gnat_x | omar_: Applications -> settings -> Window manager tweaks. Compositor tab |
| 18:13.07 | jaggz | TomTomTosch, thanks a lot :) |
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| 18:14.13 | omar_ | gnat_x: ok look i trying to look for the xfce-system-monitor but i cant find it do you know where it is or it had another name |
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| 18:15.01 | TomTomTosch | jaggz: good luck. hope you get it working. |
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| 18:16.49 | jaggz | TomTomTosch, just a 3d printing host software |
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| 18:17.58 | gnat_x | omar_: not familiar with that tool, do you mean the task manager? (Applications -> System -> Task Manager) |
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| 18:19.55 | jaggz | TomTomTosch, got it working.. but with a bunch of wheezy mono packages.. oh well.. works for now. |
| 18:20.09 | tuxopenwrt | jmcnaught: okay! |
| 18:20.10 | TomTomTosch | oh god |
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| 18:20.34 | TomTomTosch | !tell jaggz about frankendebian |
| 18:20.58 | jaggz | it's one of those softwares that they prepare things for other platforms, and things like ubuntu, but not straight debian |
| 18:21.20 | jaggz | I can probably purge all that stuff too and get mono installed, then install their software from source |
| 18:21.24 | jaggz | http://www.mattercontrol.com/open-source |
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| 18:27.00 | omar_ | gnat_x: i mean the tool where i can see the disk space and all the partition |
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| 18:32.13 | gnat_x | omar_: hrm. not sure of what the right graphical tool is. i tend to use "df -h" on the command line. |
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| 18:33.35 | gnat_x | omar_: also the properties option of a file or directory in Thunar will give you some idea of the file system that its in. |
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| 18:34.10 | gnat_x | omar_: so if you click on properties for a file in your home dir, and home is its own file system, you will see stats for that. |
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| 18:34.12 | jaggz | TomTomTosch, wow, I have a lot of packages listed in ~o |
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| 18:34.37 | defa | hi folks. seems i am affected by https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=788062 (os-prober corrupts filesystems in KVM). i am not sure how to set up a workarround here. i am aware i could purge os-prober, but what would be the consequences? |
| 18:34.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/788062 in os-prober (open): «os-prober corrupts LVs/partitions while being mounted inside a VM»; severity: critical; opened: 2015-06-08; last modified: 2016-03-13. |
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| 18:35.18 | greycat | The consequence would be inability to automatically detect non-Debian operating systems on your boot disks. |
| 18:35.42 | omar_ | gnat_x: alright df -h is just fine but i want to find that tool or maybe i have to install it |
| 18:36.11 | defa | greycat: thank you! that would be no issue for me, i was just a little concerned how much it would interfer with grub |
| 18:36.14 | jmcnaught | jaggz: this command might also be useful for you: aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?origin(debian)))' |
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| 18:36.54 | greycat | blinks at the LISP with question marks |
| 18:37.06 | de-facto | dmesg| grep scheduler shows me that io scheduler {noop,deadline,cfq} are registered, so what BLACK MAGIC is required to activate those then? "echo "cfq" > /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler ; cat /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler" gives me "none" :-( |
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| 18:37.55 | jmcnaught | greycat: aptitude search '~S ~i !~Odebian' then :P |
| 18:37.59 | teraflops | defa: none. Just drop snippets in /Etc/grub.d/xxcustom.conf in you have custom entries |
| 18:38.08 | TomTomTosch | i can't get behind the aptitude search syntax x) |
| 18:38.15 | jaggz | jmcnaught, nice... it does list the debian-multimedia too.. how do I put an "and not origin()" in there for http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian-multimedia/ ? |
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| 18:38.22 | greycat | They're both equally obtuse to me. I don't use aptitude. |
| 18:38.32 | defa | teraflops: yup, thank you i went with "echo 'GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true' >> /etc/default/grub" for now |
| 18:38.46 | teraflops | de-facto: what type of vm is this? |
| 18:38.57 | jmcnaught | jaggz: personally i would get rid of debian-multimedia too |
| 18:38.59 | jaggz | you are a boolean of your own origins |
| 18:39.19 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell jaggz about remove dmm |
| 18:39.41 | jaggz | jmcnaught, I wonder if I can. I use various multimedia libs a lot.. ffmpeg.. maybe some blender coding might have used it (although I'm not sure about that) |
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| 18:40.06 | TomTomTosch | you can get that from backports too. |
| 18:40.55 | jmcnaught | jaggz: your goal should be to never venture outside of the Debian repos. Sometimes it's necessary, but don't do it for stuff you can already get from Debian. |
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| 18:41.06 | de-facto | teraflops its a kvm guest |
| 18:41.06 | jaggz | definitely |
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| 18:41.49 | jmcnaught | jaggz: anyways https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html here is the aptitude search term reference |
| 18:41.49 | teraflops | de-facto: ah |
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| 18:42.45 | teraflops | de-facto: with driver for the storage? VirtIO? |
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| 18:43.32 | teraflops | de-facto: or it's a physical disk? |
| 18:43.54 | de-facto | teraflops i think its virtio (dev/vda) yes |
| 18:44.22 | gnat_x | omar_: totally forgot about something. |
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| 18:45.13 | gnat_x | omar_: there are a couple of applets for the panel. |
| 18:45.50 | gnat_x | omar_: right click on panel, Panel > Add new items |
| 18:46.17 | gnat_x | omar_: if you're not seeing it try installing xfce4-goodies |
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| 18:49.09 | de-facto | teraflops do i need to install some special drivers or such for managing a virtio device properly from within a jessie guest? |
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| 18:50.58 | teraflops | de-facto: I don't know if you can change the scheduler in there. My guess is you can't. |
| 18:51.10 | jaggz | and how do I go from libfaac0, installed 1:1.28-dmo3 to the 1.28-6 found in debian official? |
| 18:51.21 | omar_ | gnat_x: ok let take a look |
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| 18:52.14 | jmcnaught | jaggz: are you trying to follow the instructions from dpkg in the <remove dmm> factoid? |
| 18:52.19 | jaggz | perhaps I installed it by manually specifying it originally.. but if I remove it it wants to remove the dependencies.. so I guess I can install with a = |
| 18:52.29 | jaggz | jmcnaught, yeah, nothing was listed (I'm not sure if that origin matched anything) |
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| 18:53.38 | jaggz | I resorted to using synaptic (perhaps the 2nd time I've ever used it) to see what was listed from the uwaterloo repo |
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| 18:53.47 | jaggz | and found libfaac0 and libfaac-dev were the only two listed |
| 18:54.07 | jaggz | (but when trying to remove them, a ton of other softwares were depending on them I guess) |
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| 18:55.00 | omar_ | gnat_x: why vlc crash when i try put see a video?? |
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| 18:55.14 | jaggz | oh, now I see all those in synaptic too.. sigh |
| 18:55.51 | de-facto | teraflops "echo "cfq" > /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler ; cat /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler" gives me "none" |
| 18:56.30 | jmcnaught | jaggz: my advice is to try tweaking the aptitude search expression used in the <dmm remove> factoid until you get it listing the right packages, and then use that method with the tweaked aptitude search. seems like it's using dpkg to force the removal, and then running "apt-get install -f" to fix the missing dependencies (this time from official sources) |
| 18:57.02 | teraflops | de-facto: that's not an ssd is just a virtual device |
| 18:57.07 | gnat_x | omar_: there could be any number of reasons. have your tried multiple videoos or video types? does it give you an error when it crashes? |
| 18:57.32 | de-facto | teraflops well yeah but what if i *want* to change it? its not possible in jessie? |
| 18:57.55 | teraflops | In Jessie? |
| 18:58.09 | jaggz | jmcnaught, thanks |
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| 18:59.35 | de-facto | teraflops yes in jessie |
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| 19:00.42 | teraflops | de-facto: no idea if that's possible. |
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| 19:01.00 | omar_ | gnat_x: no it just disapper |
| 19:01.28 | jaggz | jmcnaught, got that all working, up to the point of apt-get install -f, which complains: http://paste.debian.net/679716/ |
| 19:01.34 | de-facto | teraflops for some reason my old wheezy got "cfq" and its pretty fast, jessie got "none" and its really slow |
| 19:01.38 | teraflops | de-facto: also no idea it that would affect performance (I guess no and No) |
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| 19:02.12 | teraflops | de-facto: asked to the vps provider? |
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| 19:03.23 | de-facto | teraflops yes they migrates my guest to another host, but its still slow on jessie (99% io wait), but when i boot wheezy its more like 50-70% io wait |
| 19:03.56 | jaggz | (that is, the dpkg help on getting away from deb multimedia.. its later instruction is to apt-get install -f too...) |
| 19:03.59 | de-facto | so i guess jessie is not suited for such a scenario anymore then :-( |
| 19:05.01 | jaggz | (*potentially relevant note: I do have jessie-backports in my sources) |
| 19:05.08 | omar_ | gnat_x: the version of vlc i have is 2.2.1 where can i get another version |
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| 19:05.52 | markybob_ | omar_: that's all you get. it's not in backports or anything |
| 19:05.53 | jmcnaught | jaggz: see dpkg's <bat> factoid for the info we would need to help troubleshoot this |
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| 19:06.54 | omar_ | markybob_: so is not possible to install the latest version of vlc??? |
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| 19:08.00 | markybob_ | omar_: not from debian. you can be silly and get it from their website and do it yourself but you won't get support in here for it |
| 19:08.40 | jmcnaught | actually the VLC website recommends using the Debian repo version.. omar_ do you really think the 2.2.1 vs 2.2.3 is all that important? |
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| 19:09.43 | gnat_x | omar_: try opening it from the command line, that should give you a better idea of why it is crashing. also, what kind of video are you trying to play? |
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| 19:10.39 | omar_ | markybob_: why download it from the website would be silly?? |
| 19:10.54 | markybob_ | omar_: doing stuff like that is how you break debian |
| 19:11.04 | markybob_ | !tell omar_ about dontbreakdebian |
| 19:11.13 | markybob_ | !tell omar_ about frankendebian |
| 19:11.32 | jmcnaught | omar_: the Debian way is to use the packages provided by Debian whenever possible, to benefit from integration and free security updates |
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| 19:15.51 | jaggz | jmcnaught, http://paste.debian.net/679733/ |
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| 19:16.31 | jaggz | some months ago a bug in vlc was causing it to crash. a slightly higher version fixed that. |
| 19:16.41 | jaggz | (regarding the vlc version difference potentials) |
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| 19:17.34 | greycat | Speaking of "used to crash", my home computer has an uptime of 26 days now, after the Jessie kernel updates that reverted that USB thingy. |
| 19:17.42 | jaggz | I don't remember the details -- it was something I encountered and is possibly part of the reason I have this mess to clean up now too |
| 19:17.48 | markybob_ | holy shit |
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| 19:17.55 | greycat | Before that, it never stayed up more than a week. |
| 19:17.58 | markybob_ | jaggz: you mixed ubuntu trusty and debian jessie |
| 19:18.05 | markybob_ | jaggz: and you wonder why it's broken? |
| 19:18.10 | jaggz | markybob_, wut |
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| 19:18.32 | TomTomTosch | jaggz: line 359 you have ubuntu repos included. |
| 19:18.35 | jaggz | that's probably something I did today when trying to get that mono crap working (they did that.. because they're ubuntu-ish) |
| 19:18.41 | jaggz | gross |
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| 19:19.06 | jaggz | no wait.. that's from some other install before.. man.. sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list |
| 19:19.09 | jmcnaught | jaggz: so you clearly still have some DMM packages like libavformat56, libavcodec53. also using that Ubuntu PPA was a bad choice. |
| 19:19.23 | jaggz | I hate frankendebian |
| 19:19.40 | jmcnaught | jaggz: stop creating monsters then :P |
| 19:19.40 | markybob_ | so don't cause it :/ |
| 19:19.40 | TomTomTosch | you made it. it's your child now :> |
| 19:20.01 | jaggz | you are better than public schools for frankenchildrens |
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| 19:20.26 | markybob_ | consider reinstalling. who knows what damage you're done |
| 19:20.39 | markybob_ | you've wasted enough time on this already. reinstall would've been done |
| 19:21.17 | omar_ | markybob_: ok now i know |
| 19:21.43 | omar_ | gnat_x: when i open vlc from the terminal it work properly |
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| 19:57.40 | tokage | 6/part |
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| 19:57.47 | brakna | FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE BROUGHT YOU THIS MESSAGE, AND STAFF CAN'T CODE EITHER. heinrich5991 zhl DrWeissbrot Krakakanok2 daily jesopo NickyP copec MrAlexandr0 Repie Azrael_- brolin_empey gturner Al3xG0 Goddesspapa romano2k Guest29708 jmyrv digdilem texnofobix olblak iooner thalos_ jim JackPH ccl wewlad squarecircle TechChristoph__ gluon dexta volter tombee BlackPanx Spinrad Dj_Dexter ghenry qdk cheapie teraflops |
| 19:57.57 | cmhobbs | wtf |
| 19:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1678] by debhelper |
| 19:58.18 | SpaceAce | I don't get it |
| 19:58.47 | ioudas^work | freenode staff is pretty incompetent |
| 19:58.51 | ioudas^work | i mean hes notwrong |
| 19:58.53 | ioudas^work | lol |
| 19:58.56 | rattking | why would I care if Freenode staff can code? |
| 19:58.57 | teraflops | lucky me he highlighted my nick :S |
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| 19:59.21 | cyan__ | yeah, i have new friend on irc |
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| 20:01.09 | cyphix | The team who freely offers you a convenient way to exchange informations since 1995 is incompetent... Like, really? |
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| 20:01.32 | Lady_Aleena | teraflops, I had just gotten here when I was included in the above spam. |
| 20:01.48 | testi | they're so incompetent. They don't even have a precrime-module that stops the spam before it happens. |
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| 20:02.54 | ChunkzZ-ZNC | what the.... |
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| 20:03.04 | jim | hmm, just notice I was highlighted here... found out why... anyway, moving on. I'm looking to complete my jack setup by getting the packages that implement the jack-pulse bridges... how can I find those packages thru apt-cache? (yes I tried a few times) |
| 20:03.07 | ioudas^work | well when you run it and it breaks all the time... |
| 20:03.13 | ioudas^work | i mean thats kinda the definition |
| 20:03.16 | jim | hi Lady_Aleena |
| 20:03.24 | Lady_Aleena | Hi jim. |
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| 20:03.25 | bvukoo | FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE BROUGHT YOU THIS MESSAGE. FIND ANOTHER NETWORK. Smuckerz debhelper module000 Awesomecase aconite33 nwe Curlybear voidsta beastie_ Rubin BugzBunny roger_rabbit owa goberle hfp JamesHa masetrax z0ran dgncn kirkland Sleepy63 Psy-Q elmcrest debby_ ptizoom misprint_ skapunker Werring homegrown crank1988 genpaku kvm2k swym_ relgar ferseiti bdeferme joohoi cheapie Joost HelloShitty |
| 20:03.25 | bvukoo | FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE BROUGHT YOU THIS MESSAGE. FIND ANOTHER NETWORK. boudiccas heap_ bbabich moop gacekjk _0x5eb_ allorder tomreyn Sleepy63 rudi_s relaxed lsyoyom APLU Hijiri mo1991reg BeamWatcher XDS2010 pythonsnake Cpuroast voidlily catbehemoth desrt hid3 Mmike goberle monty tertu __z0k__ CeBe tadej RyanKnack homegrown cmam debby_ WakiMiko Walex e1z0 chalcedony JasonO LordDeath |
| 20:03.25 | bvukoo | FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE BROUGHT YOU THIS MESSAGE. FIND ANOTHER NETWORK. betaboon lifeofguenter_ mrkebab Olipro Louis Taco mimi89999 ceptor Lady_Aleena BinBasher zykotick9 Immanuel giraffe Messenger_bird mt Emmanuel_Chanel AsgarSerran crank1988 Zyferus manicminer zwamkat vaidy nymony bn` cyborg-one jgornick vila Kyoshiro rkj_ _aeris_ robin_debspace jager LambdaCalculus37 Tarjaizaid iszak zerotri JPT nebg CyberJacob vvande |
| 20:03.32 | ioudas^work | and theyve admitted theyve fucked up multiple times on their blog |
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| 20:03.34 | teraflops | testi: due the amount of silly spammers I see in #debian perhaps +r is a good idea |
| 20:03.38 | ChunkzZ-ZNC | !op | please ban |
| 20:03.52 | greycat | For GOD'S SAKE. Did you not see that the spammer was ALREADY KICKED. |
| 20:03.54 | teraflops | !ops ban the troll please |
| 20:03.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: teraflops complains about: ban the troll please |
| 20:03.57 | jim | ChunkzZ-ZNC, they're gone already |
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| 20:04.14 | runtime_error | what was that |
| 20:04.18 | runtime_error | ;p |
| 20:04.27 | greycat | Just ignore it. It's gone. There is nothing we can do about it. |
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| 20:04.45 | stinner | FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE BROUGHT YOU THIS MESSAGE. FIND ANOTHER NETWORK. llucenic VoidFox r0ck_ stackfault slicepaperwords dimitry7 Malmis_ prussian clopez zalatovo penutgelo JohnDoh Mathisen Spec pankid CompWizrd integral cherti bipolar micronn rkj_ Synthase_ LordDeath k0nsl_ Sick Doo runtime_error CrazyyMaxx raSter^ himuraken SpaceKoo- Qann zykotick9 tkeith Calcium angor ongolaBoy Rurd2di gusnan sdfr |
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| 20:04.45 | stinner | FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE BROUGHT YOU THIS MESSAGE. FIND ANOTHER NETWORK. gernot j0z CeBe2 Atlas sidmo_ katymoe squisher SpaceAce dm7freek_ blind AimHere Zambezi trellert mesamoo rozie jackburton KindOne shaun413 Haxxa Warrigal Seldon srg jim unwanted jback yrter tristero majestic Levure firztspawn toruvinn little_tommy felon- k-man sepi somiaj hero tombee wredny Uninstall |
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| 20:04.50 | ioudas^work | lol |
| 20:04.59 | *** part/#debian teraflops (~teraflops@mysticemporium.xyz) |
| 20:05.01 | Mathisen | hmm |
| 20:05.03 | qman__ | just the nature of a public network, always going to be someone |
| 20:05.04 | k0nsl_ | that is annoying as f*ck. |
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| 20:05.34 | Mathisen | debhelper, is on vacation ? |
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| 20:05.52 | greycat | What do you think debhelper is supposed to be able to do about it? |
| 20:05.52 | preoperate | FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE BROUGHT YOU THIS MESSAGE. FIND ANOTHER NETWORK. ebarch berndj syshape Guest64868 sidv Gcool ChuMar1 lmcloughlin Elgul allorder ToeSnacks kpease EmleyMoor stoned dTal zamba occult bn` jubo2 mrMute papey Guest50599 neomorphix chrisc VjetarSaSunca SpacePenguin calvin_ necronian Ool Dj_Dexter Zyferus Tom01 DoctorD90 BarthezZ Speed` Werring mateusz Lokke Qann ribasushi |
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| 20:06.02 | Mathisen | lock the channel |
| 20:06.03 | jesopo | ughhh |
| 20:06.07 | *** part/#debian lukaso666 (~lukaso666@a01-nat.satkol.pl) |
| 20:06.07 | Mathisen | +m |
| 20:06.09 | jesopo | not worth it lol |
| 20:06.10 | WayToDoor | =x |
| 20:06.10 | greycat | Why? It's one person at a time joining. |
| 20:06.12 | BinBasher | Oh my god, really? This woke me up and I'm short on sleep already. Capitalism... |
| 20:06.15 | wewlad | RELEASE THE KRAKEN |
| 20:06.16 | barubaru | Is he registering? If so, ban his email provider.. |
| 20:06.21 | WormFood | woot! Isn't this fun? |
| 20:06.28 | barubaru | If not then ban non-registered users. |
| 20:06.34 | thebwt | ^ |
| 20:06.37 | BinBasher | ^ |
| 20:06.38 | polyzen | ........ lol BinBasher |
| 20:06.42 | MrDetonia | yay let's spam the channel about the spam |
| 20:06.42 | meLon | debhelper: ^ |
| 20:06.43 | programmerq | BinBasher: you have IRC set to wake you up? |
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| 20:06.47 | polyzen | woken up by irc notifications |
| 20:06.49 | BinBasher | programmerq: yes |
| 20:06.49 | WormFood | Bans are not effective against people willing to spend money (for a vpn) |
| 20:07.14 | greycat | You think he's spending money? I see random shit addresses. He's got a botnet. |
| 20:07.20 | shingouz | dammit, jim. even i had to check wtf was going on. i'll go back to lurk mode |
| 20:07.24 | television | polyzen: do you have your terminal's BEL speaker hooked to an air horn? |
| 20:07.29 | barubaru | Wide bans are okay (as whole email provider, or all non registered users) |
| 20:07.34 | polyzen | television, not me |
| 20:07.42 | jim | shingouz, hmm? |
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| 20:07.48 | greycat | Are you even LOOKING at the hostmasks? They are not all in the same network. |
| 20:07.50 | WormFood | Of course. I'm just pointing out that even retards, can spend money and evade bans. Of course, people with skills and knowledge, don't need to spend money ;) |
| 20:07.51 | polyzen | tbh my bell would probably wake me up if it kept going off too, but i disable it after dark |
| 20:07.52 | shingouz | sorry, did no tknow even you existed |
| 20:07.54 | testi | Isn't there a way to censor certain words? And why isn't the spammer using like 200 bots for this. I'm here to see at least 20 lines per second please. |
| 20:07.55 | shingouz | jim |
| 20:07.57 | wewlad | greycat: I got only 3-5 messages from him on this channel for the past few days. That's a single vigilante, just let him do his thing. |
| 20:08.06 | cheapie | You'd think they could just find some way to auto-kick/kill people that say *that much* that close together. |
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| 20:08.11 | polyzen | greycat, why are you getting so heated up over this :p |
| 20:08.19 | greycat | cheapie: THEY ARE BEING KICKED!!!! WHAT THE FUCK PEOPLE. |
| 20:08.23 | polyzen | xD |
| 20:08.29 | cheapie | It's not sensitive enough then. |
| 20:08.33 | shingouz | jim: that was just someting out of star trek, sorry about it, man |
| 20:08.39 | downtime | cheapie: Then people complain about false positives. |
| 20:08.39 | television | just make it so you need to register to join :p |
| 20:08.42 | jim | oh ok :) |
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| 20:08.48 | markybob | how about we shut up about this and get back on topic? |
| 20:08.52 | downtime | ^ |
| 20:08.57 | cheapie | OK. |
| 20:09.01 | cheapie | wanders off again |
| 20:09.10 | jim | right now the only traffic here is about complaining :) |
| 20:09.17 | Mathisen | :) |
| 20:09.22 | SwK | i thought IRC was for complaining |
| 20:09.23 | merlincorey | I have a complaint |
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| 20:09.25 | trustle | FREENODE STAFF ARE ABUSIVE. KLOERI: I AM ACTUALLY DEMANDING WHAT YOU SAID AND CAN DO BETTER WITH IT. sputnik Trellmor ashkanull K1rk Anarchic raxo mumixam EasyShekels rooty therion dax _aeris_ dijenerate Madgod dm7freek_ nathanleclaire RaphaelT` hexagoxel Sick dbyzero x42 kodapa fubbi Mo0O Dr4k3 Seldon lf94 DrDoofenshmirtz FierceDeityLink rbern chachasmooth Pucilowski Cabanossi mibo foriin paulbarker coolxeon Silver_22 udm guios |
| 20:09.25 | runtime_error | isnt that whats irc all about |
| 20:09.29 | runtime_error | complaining |
| 20:09.30 | runtime_error | lol |
| 20:09.31 | runtime_error | :D |
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| 20:09.38 | markybob | runtime_error: go to #debian-offtopic then |
| 20:09.42 | wrettam | hey |
| 20:09.43 | merlincorey | I was trying to use debian on my new laptop but the video was completely undetected |
| 20:09.46 | merlincorey | even in sid |
| 20:09.52 | merlincorey | but in UBUNTU it works instantly |
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| 20:10.04 | inerudite | FREENODE STAFF ARE ABUSIVE. KLOERI: I AM ACTUALLY DEMANDING WHAT YOU SAID AND CAN DO BETTER WITH IT. zanshin biberu AJ_Z0 pythonsnake andykay_ mactimes_ nicdev chalcedony PryMar56 trnkz SpeakerToMeat yrter srg relipse blocky dionyziz cyphix kmd monty alxy himuraken Freeaqingme defarge Guest29708 pankid afk11 Afforess cluelessperson jamie- rednul_ wewlad musca duoi sigmoidbigfoot rozie gacekjk d0nn1e alex1a zinx claritty_ |
| 20:10.06 | merlincorey | it's just rude |
| 20:10.07 | greycat | Try using the ubuntu kernel, but everything else Debian. |
| 20:10.22 | merlincorey | kekeke greycat |
| 20:10.27 | meLon | Yes, Ubuntu seems more cutting-edge, while Debian stays arguably more stable merlincorey |
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| 20:10.34 | WormFood | is it a kernel issue, or a driver issue? |
| 20:10.36 | programmerq | tries to contrive an apt question. oh yeah! is there a way to configure apt-key to use a proxy server without having to add the --keyserver-options http-proxy=http://proxy:port option? |
| 20:10.40 | merlincorey | meLon: I'm super aware maybe only greycat remembers me :P |
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| 20:11.00 | jim | OK, and now... for something completely different... how do I bridge jack to pulseaudio? what packages do I need? (or what do I read/how to search) |
| 20:11.02 | merlincorey | I was being fairly facetious |
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| 20:11.15 | merlincorey | my actual plan is to figure out what drivers its using and see if I can get them to work in debian! |
| 20:11.18 | WormFood | programmerq, I don't know for sure, but it quite likely will use the PROXY environmental setting, if it's set. |
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| 20:11.27 | merlincorey | but since we were complaining |
| 20:11.30 | markybob | merlincorey: i assume you're still on sid? |
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| 20:11.32 | programmerq | WormFood: it seems to ignore http_proxy, https_proxy |
| 20:11.34 | majestic | How can that message go through in a channel with 1600 users |
| 20:11.42 | merlincorey | markybob: no the laptop is on ubuntu right now |
| 20:11.49 | ExoUNX | how is freenode staff abusive lol |
| 20:11.52 | markybob | merlincorey: well then... |
| 20:11.54 | W4K3Y | ugh,,, what |
| 20:12.03 | WormFood | merlincorey, did you do an lspci -k and see what exactly it's using? |
| 20:12.06 | merlincorey | markybob: try to follow along, even with the spam chats |
| 20:12.14 | markybob | merlincorey: oh shut the fuck up |
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| 20:12.25 | merlincorey | WormFood: not yet but thanks for the tip - I've been in BSD land the last few years so I am pretty rusty on the linux side of things |
| 20:12.30 | merlincorey | markybob: no you buddy <3 |
| 20:12.34 | greycat | Please just ignore the spammers. Please do not TALK about the spammers. Please do not SUGGEST THINGS that we do about the spammers. The Freenode admins are kicking them as fast as they can. |
| 20:12.34 | Phanes | lol jeez guys |
| 20:12.42 | Lokke | never seen such activity in that chan - lov that spamer for that <3 |
| 20:12.53 | jelly | merlincorey, markybob: be excellent to each other, please |
| 20:12.56 | Lady_Aleena | I just instaled Firefox and noticed it doesn't use system fonts for its menus and tabs. |
| 20:13.02 | merlincorey | jelly: I has no problems with anyone |
| 20:13.11 | jim | ExoUNX (and everyone too), please don't comment on the spam... then the channel can be more useful |
| 20:13.15 | WormFood | merlincorey, lspci is the command to get a list of pci devices, and IIRC -k is the option to show what drivers it's using. Read up on the manpage, but that should be enough to get the ball rolling in the right direction for you. |
| 20:13.17 | merlincorey | jelly: I used to be ONE OF YOU |
| 20:13.23 | Lady_Aleena | How do I get Firefox (not IceWeasel which does use system fonts) to use the system fonts? |
| 20:13.24 | merlincorey | WormFood: yes I am aware of that but not of -k :P |
| 20:13.35 | merlincorey | WormFood: but much appreciated |
| 20:13.39 | merlincorey | as I said that was my ACTUAL plan |
| 20:13.43 | merlincorey | not just randomly complaining |
| 20:13.58 | ExoUNX | jim, stomping the opposition I see ;) |
| 20:13.59 | merlincorey | I'm just having fun... not sure why markybob is so upset |
| 20:14.16 | WormFood | merlincorey, some people like to be upset (like my gf, for example) |
| 20:14.20 | Lady_Aleena | Whatever this font is, it is huge and annoying. |
| 20:14.25 | merlincorey | WormFood: haha awwwwwwww |
| 20:14.49 | WormFood | Lady_Aleena, <ctrl><scroll mouse wheel> ;) |
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| 20:15.26 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: are you using firefox release or firefox-esr? I think firefox release just switched to using gtk3, maybe you'd prefer the ESR if you're more conservative |
| 20:15.48 | Lady_Aleena | WormFood, that will not help with the Fire Edit Veiw History etc line and the font used on the tab labels. |
| 20:15.54 | WormFood | Lady_Aleena, I don't know if that will give you the desired effects. Also, you should be able to override any website's CSS, with your own custom CSS. I haven't done that, but it was designed to work that way. |
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| 20:16.13 | merlincorey | yeah firefox and chrome support local customizations |
| 20:16.16 | merlincorey | not sure about other browsers |
| 20:16.19 | WormFood | Lady_Aleena, you mean in the actual interface for firefox? |
| 20:16.20 | merlincorey | but that is definitely a thing |
| 20:16.23 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, How do I find out? |
| 20:16.27 | jim | so, how to get jack working with pulse? how to bridge? which packages? |
| 20:16.31 | Lady_Aleena | WormFood, yes the interface. |
| 20:16.59 | WormFood | Lady_Aleena, that should be configurable from a system setting for the interface for your GUI (whatever you're using) |
| 20:17.03 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: which one did you install? if you enter "about:" into the location/awesome bar what version dod you have? 45 is ESR, 46 is Release. |
| 20:17.28 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, the one from jessie-backports firefox |
| 20:17.48 | jelly | ,v firefox |
| 20:17.49 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 46.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 46.0-1; experimental: 47.0~b1-1 |
| 20:18.14 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, version 46.0 |
| 20:18.18 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: http://mozilla.debian.net/ gives you a choice between firefox-release and firefox-esr, i don't know which you picked |
| 20:18.40 | WormFood | Lady_Aleena, I just download firefox from firefox, and install in opt, and make symlinks to there. That way I can have the official firefox released browser, in addition to what is provided by Debian (I also do the same for Chrome) |
| 20:18.46 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, the one installed with sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports firefox |
| 20:18.53 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: okay, so if you want to stick with the older style you could use firefox-esr instead for a while. Also for me the menu bar is hidden by default unless i tab "Alt". |
| 20:19.28 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I use the Menu bar a lot, so hiding it would be counter productive. |
| 20:19.38 | WormFood | I can not recommend using older versions of any browser, unless you know specifically that there were no security updates between versions. Nearly every browser update also includes security updates. |
| 20:19.41 | TomTomTosch | WormFood: why? the one packaged for debian is very uptodate. let's stick to the debian way :P |
| 20:19.46 | jim | Lady_Aleena, dpkg -s firefox | grep Version |
| 20:20.13 | WormFood | TomTomTosch, Be my guest. I'll continue doing it "my way"(tm) ;) |
| 20:20.22 | jim | (also, look at the output yourself without the grep, to see what kind of metadata there is) |
| 20:20.25 | Lady_Aleena | jim, 46.0-1~bpo80+1 |
| 20:20.41 | jelly | TomTomTosch: debian has only recently started having fresh firefoxes. |
| 20:20.51 | jim | Lady_Aleena, that will tell them which one you got :) |
| 20:21.06 | WormFood | TomTomTosch, I run Debian Stale, so it typically takes them a few years to update anything. |
| 20:21.12 | jmcnaught | Also most browsers in Jessie aren't covered by security, i think it's only Iceweasel and Chromium that are |
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| 20:21.37 | TomTomTosch | WormFood: security patches do get backported. |
| 20:21.48 | Lady_Aleena | So I have to install a weird version of Firefox to get it to use the system fonts? |
| 20:21.54 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: which desktop environment are you using? Do the menus use crappy fonts in other GTK3 applications? |
| 20:22.03 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: you already installed a weird version. |
| 20:22.05 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, KDE |
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| 20:22.27 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, I installed the version which was on mozilla.debian.org. |
| 20:22.31 | WormFood | TomTomTosch, That's great. I prefer not to be at mercy of the whims of the Debian devs, when it comes to my browsers. |
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| 20:22.39 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: mozilla.debian.net |
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| 20:23.19 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, that's it. |
| 20:23.45 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: well i think KDE has some menu in its settings (might require a package) to control how GTK applications are themed while in KDE, but I don't use KDE so I don't have the details |
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| 20:23.50 | Lady_Aleena | I followed the instructions there and got what I got. |
| 20:23.56 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: tools and services available on debian.net sites are specifically "not ready for official support", contrasted with debian.org |
| 20:24.15 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, oh great. |
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| 20:24.38 | jelly | so be ready for some weirdness now and then |
| 20:24.56 | Lady_Aleena | What should I have installed? |
| 20:25.39 | lumidee | can i use a third party repo for debian 8,0 on 8.4 too? |
| 20:26.36 | Lady_Aleena | goes back to Iceweasel which uses my system fonts in the interface until Firefox gets up to speed. |
| 20:26.44 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: I'd've continued using the esr build available in jessie |
| 20:27.04 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, what is an esr build? |
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| 20:28.10 | lumidee | see http://download.bareos.org/bareos/release/latest/ (not sure if dep issues occure within release version (8.0 to 8.4) |
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| 20:28.32 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/ what iceweasel in jessie and firefox-esr are based on |
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| 20:29.54 | jelly | lumidee: ask the bareos people? Debian tries VERY hard to keep ABI compatibility during a release (and 8.0 -> 8.4 is the same release) |
| 20:31.36 | lumidee | jelly, good to know, thanks. going to ask bareos mailingslist i guess |
| 20:32.57 | lumidee | (i'd like to use bareo 15.2, so i either go directly with testing, which got 15.2 already, or i go with stable and use bareos 8.0 repo) ^ |
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| 20:33.55 | Lady_Aleena | Really OT: !@#$ |
| 20:35.07 | lumidee | i worry testing is too risky, because i read if something breaks a fix _can_ take up to several months, so maybe stable with backports and ssb is more secure/stable |
| 20:35.18 | stoned | i justy got home |
| 20:35.20 | stoned | did someone highlightme |
| 20:35.24 | stoned | I have small irc buffer |
| 20:35.35 | markybob | stoned: just spammers went crazy. everyone got highlighted |
| 20:35.42 | stoned | oh |
| 20:35.55 | jmcnaught | lumidee: what kind of system is this for? if it's a server, you should absolutely not use testing. why not just use the version of bareos available in jessie? |
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| 20:36.33 | jelly | would not dare use anything "testing" within close distance of a backup product |
| 20:36.49 | alxjsn | lol |
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| 20:37.29 | lumidee | jmcnaught, yep, it's a nas/backup server. jessie's version is unforunatetly only 14.2, which i find too old (1.5 years) |
| 20:37.30 | majestic | More than 3 messages = instantly ban from this channel, please |
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| 20:37.50 | greycat | majestic: Idiot. Who the fuck are we going to ban? Hmm? |
| 20:37.53 | Lady_Aleena | So, is Firefox still "cooking" in Debian? |
| 20:37.59 | markybob | lumidee: he's asking if there's any new features that you *need* in the new version or if you just like shiny new things |
| 20:38.00 | jelly | cooking? |
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| 20:38.08 | N3X15 | he mad |
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| 20:38.11 | majestic | greycat A bot will do it automatically |
| 20:38.17 | Speed` | ffs |
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| 20:38.22 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, as if not ready for consumption. |
| 20:38.22 | downtime | majestic: A bot _IS_ doing it automatically |
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| 20:38.32 | greycat | majestic: WHO. THE. FUCK. SHOULD. WE. BAN. Give me a fucking hostmask. Oh, wait. You can't, can you. |
| 20:38.35 | N3X15 | Someone make the channel invite only |
| 20:38.43 | Lady_Aleena | s/if/in/; |
| 20:38.48 | j` | wow |
| 20:38.49 | j` | that's quite sad |
| 20:38.54 | N3X15 | also he mad |
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| 20:39.01 | *** mode/#debian [+o jelly] by ChanServ |
| 20:39.04 | greycat | I hate the people who respond to the spam with idiotic tripe even more than I hate the spammer. |
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| 20:40.46 | edwardly | I haven't been abused by staff. |
| 20:40.49 | BinBasher | That's a way to do it. |
| 20:40.51 | edwardly | In fact, staff is great! |
| 20:40.52 | lumidee | markybob, jmcnaught yes, 15.2 supports windows 10, 14.2 doesnt |
| 20:40.57 | lukky513 | me neither, and you woke me up, while we're at it. |
| 20:40.58 | N3X15 | At least one of the bots was from Amazon AWS |
| 20:41.00 | blind | "I've been needlessly abused, so let me needlessly abuse others! That'll show ...those people that did nothing to me." |
| 20:41.16 | lumidee | markybob, jmcnaught also theres better cloud support in 15.2 :) |
| 20:41.25 | jmcnaught | lumidee: everything in jessie is that old, it's how debian stable works. they freeze the versions and then that's what we use for a couple of years at a time |
| 20:41.30 | j` | N3X15: Probably an open proxy. Worthless as it's probably used by hundreds of people |
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| 20:41.50 | jelly | j`, edwardly, blind, N3X15: please don't comment on spam in here, #debian-offtopic for that and be relevant in here |
| 20:42.38 | lumidee | jmcnaught, mhm, well bareos 8.0 repo should work i think (same release as 8.4), so i would be able to get 15.2. you'd say that better than using testing and get 15.2 from there? |
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| 20:42.55 | lumidee | *that's |
| 20:43.17 | markybob | like jelly said, don't use testing for anything relating to backup |
| 20:43.25 | jmcnaught | lumidee: you should never mix stable and testing, you will break your system. you should also never use anything but stable for a server, unless you like fixing stuff all the time |
| 20:43.28 | markybob | their repo is probably a better choice if you have to |
| 20:43.33 | de-facto | so did everyone update openssl? |
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| 20:43.45 | orangey | lumidee: I guess the real question is, what's your goal? |
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| 20:44.08 | greycat | de-facto: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 20:44.16 | greycat | I don't know what you're talking about. |
| 20:44.32 | lumidee | jmcnaught, though ssb would be acceptable i suppose? |
| 20:44.34 | jmcnaught | lumidee: using the bareos.org repo comes with the caveat that their repo/packages might not be up to Debian standards, there is a risk that it will cause problems for a future upgrade. If you don't actually need the new features using the Debian package is probably best. |
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| 20:44.36 | greycat | Though I guess I need to move over to wheezy-lts now... let me check on that. |
| 20:44.50 | orangey | lumidee: If you need a very modern system that is very cutting edge, then stable is not for you. But you should think hard about why stable with maybe dotdeb or something can't meet your needs. |
| 20:44.55 | jelly | de-facto: if you have a CVE number, you can look it up on |
| 20:44.56 | markybob | greycat: DSA-3566 |
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| 20:45.01 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 20:45.01 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 20:45.03 | markybob | degan6: i upgraded |
| 20:45.05 | greycat | Oh, "No changes to sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts" |
| 20:45.11 | somiaj | greycat: according to the factoid, there is no special wheezy-lts sources needed, so you should be fine. |
| 20:45.20 | jmcnaught | lumidee: SSB has downsides too, like no automatic security support. (you need to repeat the process for each new update) |
| 20:45.46 | jmcnaught | orangey: dotdeb has a history of breaking systems too :/ |
| 20:45.58 | markybob | de-facto: that was for you. yes, i upgraded |
| 20:46.10 | orangey | jmcnaught: I've experienced this, but still better than a fully unstable setup, I would say. |
| 20:47.19 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport bareos |
| 20:47.21 | judd | Backporting package bareos in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libcmocka-dev (>= 1.0.1). |
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| 20:47.42 | jmcnaught | lumidee: ^^ you probably cannot do an SSB of bareos anyways |
| 20:47.46 | digidog | will never get the meaning of spam (bots). Never ever. It's so distructive and useless and boring since decades. I even didn't read it nor do I open these mails. All I know is, that if I would find somebody responsible, I can't guarantee any safety for this individuum. |
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| 20:48.03 | lumidee | jmcnaught, why? |
| 20:48.10 | greycat | Oh, wheezy-lts doesn't have an update yet. Oh well. I don't use SSL on that server anyway. |
| 20:48.14 | markybob | lumidee: read what judd said |
| 20:48.26 | jmcnaught | lumidee: see the message from judd above, it has unsatisfiable build-deps |
| 20:49.21 | de-facto | [SECURITY] [DSA 3566-1] openssl security update http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2016/May/13 |
| 20:49.29 | greycat | may 13? |
| 20:50.02 | greycat | Man, the international dateline must be more powerful than I thought. |
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| 20:50.14 | de-facto | lol |
| 20:50.35 | lumidee | orangey, well, i like stability and new software equally much. guess debian brings both goals best together. i think in the rpm world suse would be the analog, but i think debian has still newer software. for example suse uses still systemd210, because leap is using sles base |
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| 20:50.47 | Lady_Aleena | So, to recap my issue with Debian's version of Firefox. It looks like Debian's version of Firefox is not ready for public consumption yet because it still needs to be made to use system settings instead of the ones the Debian Firefox editors chose for it to use. |
| 20:51.03 | lumidee | judd, oh, thanks for testing that |
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| 20:51.15 | markybob | greycat: 13th message on may :P |
| 20:51.20 | stoned | iceweasel seems slow |
| 20:51.29 | jmcnaught | lumidee: judd is a bot that happens to have a checkbackport command :) |
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| 20:51.58 | lumidee | jmcnaught, ah lol :) |
| 20:52.16 | greycat | !judd |
| 20:52.17 | dpkg | judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ for detailed information, or ask me about <judd-packages>, <judd-hardware>, <source judd>. |
| 20:52.19 | stoned | Lady_Aleena, debian doesn't have a central gui management thingy |
| 20:52.21 | Lady_Aleena | stoned, iceweasel/firefox is always slow. |
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| 20:52.26 | drow | THIS SPAM MAKES YOU MAD? BEING HARASSED BY FREENODE-STAFF MAKES ME MAD. DEAL WITH IT AS WELL. betaboon SpeedBus neskau danieli programmerq moonlight mrec Pymous PseudoNoob jpinx Joost hid3 komugi ledufakademy KomputerKid NaPs noahfx electro33 ZekeS trysten phy1729 sputnik watersoul aax JyZyXEL Hello71 swym_ Exagone313 serban beisner Olipro g-n0m3 OzoNe basedsiren markus_ EmleyMoor cbdev InFerNo_ doebi twisted` |
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| 20:52.31 | stoned | Lady_Aleena, all diff DE have their own config things |
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| 20:52.42 | stoned | it's not up to debian or debian ice weasel packagers |
| 20:52.45 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: you could always go back to using the iceweasel package in jessie/main instead of the newer version from mozilla.debian.net |
| 20:52.50 | Lady_Aleena | stoned, well iceweasel uses system settings but firefox does not. |
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| 20:53.08 | stoned | firefox is not part of debian |
| 20:53.11 | stoned | or supported afaik |
| 20:53.17 | markybob | stoned: it is now |
| 20:53.19 | iKarith | stoned: you're wrong now. :) |
| 20:53.25 | stoned | i stand corrected |
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| 20:53.45 | greycat | If iceweasel works the way you want, then why not use it? |
| 20:54.08 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, it will not update anymore. I tried and was told to switch to firefox. |
| 20:54.47 | greycat | And that's... bad? |
| 20:55.04 | somiaj | soon jessie will have firefox too, but you can still use the old iceweasel in jessie until the update that switches to the new firefox-esr line. |
| 20:55.11 | greycat | Huh? |
| 20:55.21 | greycat | is so confused now |
| 20:55.30 | iKarith | And to the spammer who is probably reading this: I'm not Freenode staff, but the moment you started spamming, I think you should be beaten to within an inch of your miserable little life with a 2x4. And would volunteer to do the beating personally if I could. So you keep hiding behind your proxies, you little cowardly turd. You're slime, and you deserve not only a ban, but to lose your internet access, you |
| 20:55.33 | iKarith | miserable little twat |
| 20:55.35 | jelly | greycat: they renamed it back. |
| 20:55.47 | iKarith | is now done feeding trolls. Sorry for adding to distraction. |
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| 20:55.55 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, when it comes to web browsing, I want the latest version of the browser. |
| 20:55.57 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: you could try firefox-esr from mozilla.debian.net over firefox-release, also might want to check bug reports, see if anyone else notices this difference. |
| 20:56.45 | greycat | So if I do nothing, and continue using iceweasel, and continue doing apt-get upgrade etc. etc. will it continue to receive security updates? |
| 20:56.51 | orangey | lumidee: I think the people in this channel are way better equipped to answer than I am, but it seems that maybe you don't want debian right now. |
| 20:56.53 | somiaj | greycat: yes |
| 20:56.54 | greycat | Or do I have to learn some shit? |
| 20:57.04 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: if you wanted the "latest" you'd have quit using iceweasel years ago! |
| 20:57.16 | iKarith | somiaj: I'm waiting for mozplugger to get a depends line patch so that iceweasel is not needed. :) |
| 20:57.38 | iKarith | firefox-esr could also Provides: firefox I guess. |
| 20:57.50 | BenderRodriguez | who dinged me |
| 20:57.51 | Lady_Aleena | I don't know what I'm doing. I was told one thing, now I'm being told another. I wish Debian would make up its mind!!! |
| 20:57.52 | BenderRodriguez | oh |
| 20:58.00 | iKarith | BenderRodriguez: Spamming douchecanoe |
| 20:58.03 | somiaj | greycat: but the newly released firefox-esr will no longer have the iceweasel brand. Once the security team needs to update the iceweasel for security reasons (or maybe at some schedule) the iceweael package will transition you to the new firefox-esr name (and stick aroudn to ensure dependency issues) |
| 20:58.32 | BenderRodriguez | Poor Debian |
| 20:58.42 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: or you can try all the things you were suggested and see if one works, instead of complaining? |
| 20:58.42 | lumidee | orangey, mhm, what other distro do you think rather suits my needs? |
| 20:58.52 | somiaj | greycat: this is because mozilla is stoping support on the older -esr version iceweasel in jessie is currently built on. |
| 20:59.02 | BenderRodriguez | Lady_Aleena: Or Windows! Use Microsoft Windows(tm) |
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| 20:59.17 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, I'm being given contradictory advice. |
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| 20:59.28 | somiaj | iKarith: it should be a transitional package so not a big deal to have it installed during the transition. |
| 20:59.40 | Lady_Aleena | BenderRodriguez, I can't afford the upgrades for Windows. |
| 20:59.46 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: yes. So try each option in succession, and maybe you'll find one that works |
| 20:59.52 | greycat | So there will be some gigantic leap in version from, say, 38-ESR to like 69-ESR. Or "version 4.5 to version 4.6" in real-people numbers instead of browser-company numbers. |
| 20:59.55 | iKarith | somiaj: It should, but Debian transitions take years and it creates its own menu entries |
| 21:00.06 | iKarith | or seemed to? |
| 21:00.08 | lumidee | orangey, currently i use bareos 15.2 on opensuse and it runs fine. just was confused that after upgrading to opensuse leap that there's only systemd210 (i want to use timer persistent option) |
| 21:00.24 | BenderRodriguez | Lady_Aleena: i see. |
| 21:00.27 | jelly | greycat: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/ |
| 21:00.30 | BenderRodriguez | Lady_Aleena: what's your problem again? |
| 21:00.50 | somiaj | iKarith: that seems strange, I haven't looked at the actual package. I know it makes an iceweasel link to firefox, I don't see why it would provide menu entries. Could those be left around from something else? |
| 21:01.00 | greycat | 38-ESR to 45-ESR |
| 21:01.03 | jelly | greycat: all of this has happened before. Debian switched from 31esr to 38esr mid-wheezy or so as well. |
| 21:01.24 | orangey | lumidee: I don't know them all well enough. I've been using debian server-side for many years. I know jmcnaught is a pro sysadmin, so he can help on the deb side. On the client side, I use ubuntu, which I always thought of as being the best meeting in the middle of debian stable and unstable. |
| 21:01.27 | Lady_Aleena | BenderRodriguez, the version of Firefox I JUST installed does not use system font settings for the Menu and Tab bars. |
| 21:01.28 | iKarith | Lady_Aleena: Nutshell: Used to be Debian had firefox. But Debian couldn't legally call it firefox, so called it iceweasel. That's changed, but only in testing and unstable. Jessie/stable still has iceweasel. |
| 21:01.36 | BenderRodriguez | I see |
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| 21:02.09 | Lady_Aleena | BenderRodriguez, so, my bookmarks menu scrolls, and the menu and tab bars are huge. |
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| 21:02.12 | orangey | lumidee: but again I would say that I find it hard to believe you'd need to sysadmin a *server* that needs 'more' than debian stable with a few added repos here and there for holes you might discover. |
| 21:02.30 | iKarith | Lady_Aleena: The advice to "get firefox" is basically to install either Firefox or Debian's iceweasel package. They're the same thing, only look a little different. |
| 21:03.03 | greycat | I think the advice Lady_Aleena was given is to install the "firefox-esr" package from mozilla.debian.net or something. |
| 21:03.08 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: we got your issue and have made suggestions. You can look/report a bug about this to mozilla.debian.net (not sure if they use the debian BTS or not). You can also try either the firefox-esr (instead of firefox-release), or you can use the iceweasel package from jessie. |
| 21:03.08 | iKarith | Uninstalling firefox downloaded outside Debian might require to to open a terminal and (as root) run apt-get install --reinstall iceweasel |
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| 21:04.23 | jelly | iKarith: that's... almost completely wrong and won't deal with mozilla's tarballs at all |
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| 21:04.24 | tyrtaean | THIS SPAM MAKES YOU MAD? BEING HARASSED BY FREENODE-STAFF MAKES ME MAD TOO. DEAL WITH IT AS WELL. abramart nagetier f3nix Scotteh zykotick9 blind blu2 aaronm04 Piratmajor Carno Stanto Cloudish_ prussian gigetoo DrDaemonEye uda t00m0 Gurty kitallis Sciuro heap_ sweatsuit ledixus husqar iKarith Kurocon_ IbexPeak bazhang chen verboese TonyL freakyy nyuszika7h elge tobiw_ valerius bchroneos test1 jpwall ChuMar1 |
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| 21:04.45 | Maikel | kick the fucker please |
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| 21:04.48 | Azelphur | I like the way he harasses people to complain about being harassed |
| 21:04.51 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 21:04.58 | DANtheBEASTman | Azelphur: same |
| 21:05.08 | Lady_Aleena | BTW, I'm being annoyed in the background by a kitten who is being very frisky right now, biting and scratching. So I have no focus. |
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| 21:05.22 | greycat | 17:04 = tyrtaean [~thoralf@ip9234c6e6.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))) |
| 21:05.33 | Maikel | greycat: thnx! |
| 21:05.39 | greycat | I did nothing. Jesus.... |
| 21:05.43 | Maikel | :P |
| 21:05.46 | stoned | Neither did I |
| 21:05.48 | stoned | I was just here |
| 21:05.52 | stoned | I was born |
| 21:05.53 | Maikel | looks away |
| 21:05.55 | stoned | then I was here |
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| 21:06.52 | stoned | So what happened w/ the whole mozilla and debian close licensed artwork problem? |
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| 21:07.17 | markybob | stoned: they realized they were being stupid |
| 21:07.33 | stoned | 8 years later. |
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| 21:08.00 | lumidee | orangey, ubuntu gets bareos 15.2 only in october 2016 |
| 21:08.13 | DammitJim | so, strange thing happened |
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| 21:08.26 | jelly | judd: bug #815006 |
| 21:08.27 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/815006 in iceweasel (open): «Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-17; last modified: 2016-04-16. |
| 21:08.27 | DammitJim | why would debian freak out if I removed one of my hard drives? (not the primary one) |
| 21:08.46 | jmcnaught | lumidee: how badly do you need the new features in bareos 15.2? |
| 21:08.47 | jelly | ^^ that happened |
| 21:09.00 | lumidee | orangey, i agree, some backpots and debian 8 could suffice |
| 21:09.13 | BenderRodriguez | Lady_Aleena: Sorry. That seems like a problem out of my league |
| 21:09.15 | jelly | DammitJim: probably because you did not remove it safely? |
| 21:09.16 | BenderRodriguez | All the best in solving it |
| 21:09.18 | BenderRodriguez | \i |
| 21:09.22 | somiaj | stoned: mozilla wouldn't let debian use its brand on its patched versions (debian use to handel security fixes for the browsers for the frozen sytem differently than today -- browsers are the one of the major execptions to packages that are frozen with a release. |
| 21:09.48 | somiaj | stoned: since debian is no longer using an unsupported version (and other reasons in that bug report) mozilla is letting us distribute their brand again. |
| 21:09.48 | lumidee | jmcnaught, i need windows 10 support which comes in version 15.2 and maybe the new cloud features |
| 21:11.40 | jmcnaught | lumidee: and there is *no* way to get the windows 10 computers backed up with the version of bareos in jessie? the path of least customization is always best, so if you can solve your problem without SSB/third-party repos or compiling from source, that's what you want |
| 21:11.56 | orangey | lumidee: I guess now you have to decide how much pain you want.. the pain of being a bit behind in bareos. the pain of manual install. the pain of waiting until october (4 months.. not that bad) |
| 21:12.34 | jelly | jmcnaught: technically it's a first party repo, coming straight from upstream! |
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| 21:12.49 | lumidee | jmcnaught, hm, i'd have to try if 14.2 works fine with windows 10 clients |
| 21:12.54 | jmcnaught | jelly: heh i mean third-party to Debian. who's on first? |
| 21:13.25 | DammitJim | jelly, I turned off the machine |
| 21:13.31 | jmcnaught | lumidee: if it does i'd stick with that. the more you deviate from Debian, the more you have to maintain/pay special attention to |
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| 21:13.58 | Lady_Aleena | Also, I'm coming off of a fresh backup of my $HOME which took far longer than I thought it would. It look around 12 hours. |
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| 21:14.21 | TomTomTosch | DammitJim: what does "freak out" mean? any details, logs, specifics? |
| 21:14.35 | DammitJim | I'm going through my logs |
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| 21:15.23 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 21:15.27 | jmcnaught | lumidee: or you know, use the bareos.org repos and do a bunch of testing to make sure it all works together (which is a good practice anyways) |
| 21:15.31 | DammitJim | the logs aren't that old (I restarted multiple times) |
| 21:15.35 | DammitJim | I am looking at dmesg |
| 21:15.38 | DammitJim | dmesg.0 and dmesg.1 |
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| 21:15.46 | DammitJim | should I be looking somewhere else? |
| 21:15.52 | DammitJim | to see what was on the screen during boot? |
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| 21:16.08 | jelly | DammitJim: oh, that's weirder then, but possibly the order of remaining devices changed and you have some references to absolute /dev/sda /dev/sdc devices some place, instead of UUIDs or LABELs or /dev/disk/by-id/s |
| 21:16.09 | lumidee | jmcnaught, good example would be my arch linux client, which gets bareos from AUR and the package builder wrote in the systemd unit of the client daemon `user = bareos`, instead of `user = root`, so the client had not access to all files to backups, which could have you lose lots of data |
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| 21:16.26 | DammitJim | let me check |
| 21:16.47 | DammitJim | oh |
| 21:16.48 | lumidee | jmcnaught, ye, i'll try bareos repos with 8.4 |
| 21:16.56 | DammitJim | maybe because I have it mounted as /mydrive |
| 21:17.14 | jelly | a simple fstab entry for a nonexisting filesystem will make systemd stop in tracks |
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| 21:17.36 | DammitJim | lol |
| 21:17.46 | DammitJim | what should I do in that case? like when I boot and it freaks out like that? |
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| 21:18.06 | DammitJim | it said to enter the root password (wheezy) and I don't know what to do after that... I wanna say it rebooted after that |
| 21:18.13 | doebi | again? |
| 21:18.16 | doebi | oh boy. |
| 21:18.19 | jelly | DammitJim: remove it from fstab at that point? |
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| 21:18.53 | DammitJim | I can't add anything to the config so it doesn't freak out? |
| 21:19.09 | DammitJim | like if this secondary drive dies? |
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| 21:20.17 | greycat | DammitJim: try adding the nofail option? |
| 21:20.28 | jelly | DammitJim: you can make systemd aware it's not mandatory |
| 21:20.34 | greycat | (In the fourth field of fstab for the optional device.) |
| 21:21.02 | jelly | eg. switch to mount-on-first-access by adding a set of mount options: noauto,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.device-timeout=10 |
| 21:21.34 | neglesaks | " «Renaming Iceweasel to Firefox»; severity: normal;" -- "severity". |
| 21:21.51 | greycat | The word systemd does not appear in my fstab(5) at all. |
| 21:21.59 | jelly | DammitJim: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fstab#External_devices |
| 21:22.06 | Lady_Aleena | OT: And my monitor is getting worse every day. I stay in a program too long and the after image remains for a while. (So I'm having a bad time today which makes me irrational.) |
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| 21:23.04 | jelly | greycat: neither does "vlan" or "bridge" appear in interfaces(5). Optional extensions to existing man pages are HARD |
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| 21:23.09 | dionysus69 | whats up with the spam hating on ubuntu and debian channels |
| 21:23.58 | neglesaks | on ubuntu too? nvm, off topic here. |
| 21:24.01 | teraflops | man systemd-networkd |
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| 21:24.27 | jmcnaught | greycat: systemd.mount(5) covers the fstab options that systemd can use |
| 21:24.45 | jelly | dionysus69: please don't comment on spam in here, #debian-offtopic for that, and be relevant in here. |
| 21:24.50 | Lady_Aleena | So here is my sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/679829/ Will one of those sources continue to update Iceweasel until Iceweasel is no longer available? |
| 21:24.55 | greycat | They could add systemd.mount(5) to the SEE ALSO of fstab(5). |
| 21:25.01 | greycat | That doesn't sound HARD to me. |
| 21:25.09 | dionysus69 | jelly: kk sorry )) |
| 21:25.47 | jelly | greycat: s/They/We/; |
| 21:25.53 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: if you're using standard jessie + security, you'll continue using iceweasel which will continue being updated. Or so they told me a few minutes ago. |
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| 21:26.05 | teraflops | man systemd-network* |
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| 21:26.41 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, how do I know if I am using standard jessie + security? |
| 21:26.45 | greycat | And nofail is mentioned in systemd.mount(5) so that sounds like a reasonable answer for devices that may be missing at boot. |
| 21:26.57 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 21:26.57 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:27.39 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena: you are. your sources are fine. you will get updates for icy weasel / firefox / not-google-browser |
| 21:27.54 | jim | Lady_Aleena, as greycat suggests, take a look at your /etc/apt/sources.list (and also look in sources.list.d) |
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| 21:28.05 | greycat | She wanted us to look at it for her. |
| 21:28.08 | Lady_Aleena | jim, I just posted my sources.list (http://paste.debian.net/679829/) |
| 21:29.37 | jim | Lady_Aleena, it looks like it. also it can be seen you originally installed wheezy from the cds |
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| 21:29.50 | Lady_Aleena | jim, I did. |
| 21:30.27 | jim | ok, could you repose your question just so I can make sure I'm answering the right question? |
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| 21:31.07 | Lady_Aleena | jim, I'm now so confused I don't know which way is up. |
| 21:31.14 | greycat | Man, she left those in? I remove those horrible CD lines ASAP. |
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| 21:31.24 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, will do. |
| 21:31.50 | Lady_Aleena | How do I erase a whole line in nano? |
| 21:31.57 | markybob | ctrl+k |
| 21:32.06 | jim | when the blood is flowing from you head thru your body to your toes, your head points up :) |
| 21:32.38 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, lines are gone. |
| 21:32.55 | jim | they're commented, they wouldn't have had an effect anyway... |
| 21:32.58 | jelly | jim: that's not how mammal circulatory system works! |
| 21:33.15 | markybob | Lady_Aleena: lsb_release -a says jessie in description, right? |
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| 21:34.11 | Lady_Aleena | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.4 (jessie); |
| 21:34.18 | greycat | We have openssl security update in wheezy now. |
| 21:34.30 | markybob | Lady_Aleena: you're good then |
| 21:34.47 | jim | so now, let's see where you're confused and see if we can help... what's confusing right now? |
| 21:35.45 | jim | (I'm given to understand one can feel confused without being confused...) |
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| 21:36.49 | Lady_Aleena | jim, the whole Iceweasel to Firefox thing. From what I've gathered Iceweasel is still the browser to use (if one wants something akin to Firefox) since the version of Firefox I got appears not ready for the public just yet. |
| 21:37.35 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena: you have two options. use iceweasel, which is ff38 or use firefox-est which is ff45. to use iceweasel: apt-get install iceweasel, to use ff-esr follow instructions here: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 21:37.55 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, I have both installed. |
| 21:38.04 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena: then start using it? |
| 21:38.55 | jim | Lady_Aleena, so there was a legal glitch a few years back, where debian felt it could not distribute firefox under that name... (purposely glossing over a couple things that don't matter much now)... so, debian responded by rebranding firefox under the name iceweasel |
| 21:39.00 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, my issue with the Firefox I installed is that it does not use system fonts for the menu and tab bars. So until that issue is resolved, I will continue to use Iceweasel. |
| 21:39.38 | Lady_Aleena | jim, I know about the problem Debian had with Firefox years ago. I have done a little reading on the subject. |
| 21:39.51 | jim | Lady_Aleena, (again glossing over some stuff) now, debian no longer feels that way, so they're working to reverse that rebranding |
| 21:39.58 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: hopefully you're going to report that user interface issue to the mozilla.debian.net people so they can fix it |
| 21:40.14 | jim | (it takes time, it'll be ready at some point) |
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| 21:41.19 | jim | Lady_Aleena, what else? |
| 21:41.21 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: what user interface issue do you have with firefox? |
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| 21:41.45 | greycat | She has said it like 4 times now. |
| 21:41.46 | Lady_Aleena | Hold please as I try to find a image paste bin. |
| 21:42.07 | teraflops | greycat: sorry my weechat buffer is timy at the phone |
| 21:42.17 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: sure |
| 21:42.45 | teraflops | tiny* |
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| 21:43.03 | mikis | lol |
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| 21:43.29 | mikis | alexmogs |
| 21:43.30 | mikis | alexmogs |
| 21:43.38 | mikis | asd |
| 21:43.52 | jim | Lady_Aleena, does that make anything any clearer? |
| 21:43.53 | teraflops | no !list? oh |
| 21:44.36 | jim | teraflops, no... so unfortunately warez and download bots are not supported here |
| 21:45.01 | jim | or fortunately, depending on your pov |
| 21:45.54 | Lady_Aleena | Darnit! I can't get a screenshot with a menu selected. |
| 21:46.11 | Lady_Aleena | And I can't have Iceweasel and Firefox both open at the same time. |
| 21:46.14 | markybob | Lady_Aleena: gimp has a delay for screenshot |
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| 21:46.33 | jelly | sleep 5; scrot blah.png |
| 21:46.53 | teraflops | jim: i was complainig about people from italy doing !list like a year ago. for sure it was before they get a message in italian from debian bots |
| 21:47.57 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: sleep + scrot |
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| 21:49.17 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: firefox uses the global gtk3 theme and preferences. are you sure your issue with the interface is not related to what I say |
| 21:49.23 | teraflops | ? i was asking sorry |
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| 21:50.51 | aubar | #join vim |
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| 21:51.56 | Lady_Aleena | To see the differences in the interfaces see these two images: http://fantasy.xecu.net/files/images/iceweasel.png and http://fantasy.xecu.net/files/images/firefox.png |
| 21:52.46 | Lady_Aleena | Firefox's interface is all wrong. |
| 21:52.58 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: pick a gtk3 you like |
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| 21:53.03 | teraflops | no it's not |
| 21:53.31 | Lady_Aleena | teraflops, then why did it not use the system settings like Iceweasel did? |
| 21:54.17 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: no, it's the other way around. ff uses global gtk_3_ theme now |
| 21:54.33 | teraflops | note the 3 and the gobal bits |
| 21:55.07 | Lady_Aleena | teraflops, so EVERY OTHER PROGRAM on my system which uses the same font settings for the Menu bar is wrong and only Firefox is right? |
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| 21:55.16 | teraflops | heh |
| 21:55.21 | alxjsn | I feel like someone is supposed to tell me that freenode staff is bad. |
| 21:55.27 | alxjsn | Where are all the spammers? :'( |
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| 21:55.59 | teraflops | ah the fonts ... |
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| 21:56.07 | Lady_Aleena | teraflops, that makes absolutely no sense? |
| 21:56.15 | Lady_Aleena | s/?/!/; |
| 21:56.29 | jelly | alxjsn: this will be the last "don't comment on spam here, use #debian-offtopic" comment |
| 21:56.34 | teraflops | Lady_Aleena: launch lxappearance or whatever and see what are you using there |
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| 21:57.40 | Lady_Aleena | teraflops, I will just wait until Firefox uses the same code to contact the system settings as Iceweasel has. |
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| 21:58.47 | dodo_ | hello |
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| 21:58.57 | Lady_Aleena | Big fonts have no place in the menu and tab bars. |
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| 21:59.14 | Kirito | Are there any particular recommended resources for setting up a semi-simple mail server on Debian Jessie? |
| 21:59.24 | teraflops | hehe semi-simple |
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| 21:59.36 | dodo_ | kirito sao |
| 21:59.40 | Kirito | Nothing about them is simple <_< |
| 21:59.41 | dodo_ | nice |
| 22:00.02 | jelly | Kirito: yes, use jessie to point your MX at google and use their services. |
| 22:00.03 | Kirito | I have to set mine up again since I'm transferring to a new box, and its been years since I set the current configuration up on Wheezy |
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| 22:00.33 | Kirito | jelly, I legitimately looked into doing that, but apparently Google only offered that as a free service years ago and it was discontinued |
| 22:00.39 | Kirito | and essentially every other service out there is crap |
| 22:00.47 | jelly | noone said it was going to be free |
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| 22:01.08 | dodo_ | work hard for kirito |
| 22:01.09 | SwK | anyone have a hint on moving files from one package to another? (ie: i need to move some .so's from main.deb to extensions.deb) and have things update correctly when I apt-get upgrade main-meta-all) |
| 22:01.13 | Kirito | Fair enough but I'm not interested in paying for mail on all these domains |
| 22:01.16 | jelly | your time wasted maintaining a mail server is not free |
| 22:01.37 | Kirito | Honestly I am probably just going to write my own bloody mail server in Python eventually |
| 22:01.41 | dodo_ | but its better than paying |
| 22:01.49 | jelly | Kirito: not even following a workaround.org tutorial is free |
| 22:02.15 | dodo_ | dont worry jelly he can figure it out |
| 22:02.15 | jelly | and NIH will waste you a lot more time. mail is a hard problem, and a moving target. |
| 22:02.33 | Kirito | I spend several hundred a month leasing the servers this is running on, I am not cheap, I just know what I actually need. |
| 22:03.09 | dodo_ | not paying doesnt mean your cheap but it means you dont need anyone |
| 22:03.11 | Kirito | I have services such as SparkPost for mail delivery, but that is only for handling outgoing e-mail. |
| 22:03.35 | Lady_Aleena | Well, I have to go out. I didn't know this problem would lead to such a long conversation with no quick or easy fix. So, see you all later. |
| 22:03.37 | SwK | Kirito, you mean just an outbound relay server? |
| 22:03.42 | jmcnaught | Kirito: using exim4 or postfix is going to be a lot easier than writing your own in Python. If you care about major mail providers not flagging your mail as spam, you need to at least have valid rDNS (PTR records), SPF, and DKIM signing, and not be on any blacklists. Even then you'll probably end up in spam folders (with no indication about this from the receiving MTA). Running a mail server is anything |
| 22:03.43 | Kirito | That's a pretty ridiculous attitude to have on a Linux support channel |
| 22:03.48 | jmcnaught | but simple |
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| 22:04.05 | Kirito | Maybe I should have been more clear |
| 22:04.39 | Kirito | I was asking for a reference on best practices with the Dovecot 2.0, recommended configurations to build on, and so on |
| 22:04.46 | SwK | and running your own mail server isnt that hard... 3/4s of the domains out there barely check SPF and DKIM unfortuneatly |
| 22:04.49 | Kirito | I am not asking for a step by step tutorial to explain to me how e-mail works |
| 22:04.55 | altyr | SwK: add conflicts/breaks the old package to the new version |
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| 22:05.26 | jelly | Kirito: which debian release are you using? |
| 22:05.29 | Kirito | It's not really relevant considering I have both SPF and DKIM records set up for my primary domains. |
| 22:05.36 | dodo_ | jessie |
| 22:05.38 | Kirito | jelly, Jessie. |
| 22:05.55 | jelly | jessie is on dovecot 2.2.13-ish |
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| 22:06.25 | jmcnaught | Kirito: I'm using Dovecot in Jessie with vmm and i'm mostly happy with it (big limitation is user's have no self-serve way of changing their own password) |
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| 22:06.58 | jim | Kirito, isn't there a dovecot package? as far as recommended build, look at the dovecot source package |
| 22:07.27 | Kirito | My current configuration is set up to use MySQL for authentication, but I've pretty much realized I have absolutely no use for that right now anyways. I need to take a refresher on what authentication methods Dovecot actually provides again |
| 22:07.36 | jelly | Kirito: you have a number of design choices in front of you. user/passwd db? delivery method? quota (fs or virtual/dovecot?); sieve?; fts? |
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| 22:08.16 | jelly | personally I like actual unix accounts and fs quota, but most tutorials focus on virtual |
| 22:09.10 | jelly | Kirito: #dovecot channel will probably serve you better than random ramblings here |
| 22:09.26 | jmcnaught | Kirito: also http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Authentication would be a good place to start |
| 22:09.38 | Kirito | I could actually probably work with unix accounts and aliases |
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| 22:11.33 | jelly | Kirito: if you have a highly available mysql db with user info (accounts, emails, home dirs, encoded passphrases) it's not hard to set up queries to get a userdb and passdb running |
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| 22:12.39 | jim | using the existing dovecot package? |
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| 22:12.53 | jelly | and if you use dovecot's own lmtp for delivery you already have information enough to deliver each email recipient to the correct user |
| 22:13.19 | jelly | jim: of course. It's not djbware to have to rebuild for every single feature. |
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| 22:13.59 | jim | hmm. haven't thought about qmail &etc in years... |
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| 22:14.46 | jmcnaught | jim: qmail is in Debian actually, but building it from source seems to still be a popular option with the people that pick it |
| 22:16.08 | jelly | workaround.org tutorials actually use mysql as backend, haven't read them in years |
| 22:16.16 | jim | still uses daemontools |
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| 22:18.58 | jelly | jim: at least those have 1 second pause between restarts of a failing service, unlike systemd |
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| 22:20.17 | jmcnaught | jelly: RestartSec= (but the default is 100ms) |
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| 22:21.53 | jelly | jmcnaught: right, where do I put a .d/ snippet to be applied for _every_ service :-) |
| 22:22.52 | jmcnaught | jelly: DefaultRestartSec in /etc/systemd/system.conf |
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| 22:24.30 | jelly | jmcnaught: sadly that's a conffile managed by dpkg, not a run-parts-like .d/ snippet |
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| 22:26.25 | jmcnaught | jelly: i haven't been keeping up with systemd post 215 in jessie, maybe we'll eventually get a run-parts style .d way of configuring it (i prefer that too) |
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| 23:59.13 | HadesWatch3r | firewall gui for jessie like shorewall or firestarter? |
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| 23:59.53 | bazhang | ,v gufw |
| 23:59.54 | judd | Package: gufw on amd64 -- squeeze: 9.10.2-1; stretch: 12.10.0-1; jessie: 12.10.0-1; sid: 12.10.0-1; wheezy: 12.10.0-1 |
