| 00:00.07 | markybob | !unetbootin |
| 00:00.07 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 00:00.08 | markybob | never use that |
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| 00:01.45 | locrian9 | I'm trying not to have to... |
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| 00:01.57 | podre | locrian9, I personally prefer YUMI or ImageWriter, but it's been a while I don't mess up with images to usb |
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| 00:07.02 | locrian9 | markybob: Yep, I'm now convinced this is 64-bit. So I'll download that iso link you've provided and give this another shot. |
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| 00:08.06 | markybob | locrian9: you need to also check your bios and make sure you're not using uefi. some machines have an option to switch to "legacy" mode. you need that. |
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| 00:12.17 | locrian9 | Looks like the server is a generation 5 server http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c04286539.pdf , and HP only started implementing uefi in generation 9 http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/server-software/product-detail.html?oid=6935826 . Appreciate the heads up! |
| 00:12.36 | markybob | locrian9: oh that's good. you have a chance ;) |
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| 00:29.40 | awwal | shit |
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| 00:31.06 | awwal | So /var/mail/USER can be removed safely and will be generated automatically by the system when needed or not? |
| 00:31.18 | aypea[1] | yup |
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| 00:31.52 | aypea[1] | dir should be 2775 group-owned by mail |
| 00:32.58 | awwal | what I "should" remove if I end doing that? USER file? or the entire mail directory? |
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| 00:33.17 | aypea[1] | file. removing the dir might lead to tears. |
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| 00:33.24 | markybob | don't touch the directory |
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| 00:34.14 | awwal | aypea[1], markybob, ok, thanks for your attention. |
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| 00:35.32 | awwal | my USER var mail file is like 2 years old and very biiig. so I may have to just delete it |
| 00:35.53 | aypea[1] | mutt may be able to open it and allow you to delete a subset of the msgs |
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| 00:38.05 | awwal | ok, will try with mutt. but i think cat & less does the job too |
| 00:40.14 | aypea[1] | but they wont let you delete stuff :) |
| 00:41.04 | awwal | thats right :) |
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| 01:31.49 | locrian9 | markybob: Here's that iso downloaded and block written to the USB https://ptpb.pw/9F8a |
| 01:32.02 | locrian9 | markybob: I'll give this another try... |
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| 01:38.18 | locrian9 | Attempting Boot from USB DriveKey (C:)... Attempting Boot From Hard Drive (C:).... Attempting Boot from NIC ... Non System Disk Error... Replace and strike any key. |
| 01:38.34 | locrian9 | markybob: Same error... |
| 01:38.55 | locrian9 | markybob: I'm going to try the USB port on the back of the server... |
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| 01:44.43 | lcfrs_ | hi has anyone seen messages like these? --> Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/Packages Writing more data than expected (7092636 > 7091476) |
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| 01:47.08 | jmcnaught | locrian9: i think you're trying an ancient installer from before Debian used hybrid ISOs. You should refer to the install guide from that era: https://web.archive.org/web/20070430023613/http://www.debian.org//releases/stable/amd64/ |
| 01:48.01 | dvs | pulls out some blank CDs |
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| 01:56.45 | locrian9 | jmcnaught: Did you want to have some fun and ready through this with me? https://web.archive.org/web/20070430111722/http://www.debian.org//releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 01:57.12 | plasmoduck | spotify: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 01:58.24 | alexertech | Hi! I'm trying to get atftpd working on my debian jessie but the command doesn't do anything at all ... Something in special I should look ? |
| 01:58.53 | podre | plasmoduck, perhaps you need to install libssl libraries |
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| 01:59.05 | dvs | locrian9, what's there to read? Section 4.3.1. That's it. |
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| 02:01.06 | markybob | alexertech: the command isn't supposed to do anything. it's started as needed via inetd (when someone connects) |
| 02:01.32 | plasmoduck | podre, libssl1.0.2 is already the newest version (1.0.2g-2). |
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| 02:03.00 | podre | plasmoduck, seems that spotify is seeking for 1.0.0, have you tried installing libssl-dev as well? |
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| 02:03.29 | alexertech | markybob, well this one: atftpd -v --daemon --port 69 /tftp ... never works, even when someone is connecting |
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| 02:06.09 | locrian9 | dvs: Where is the "boot.img.gz" file located? |
| 02:06.31 | dvs | locrian9, the same place where you got the iso |
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| 02:08.01 | plasmoduck | podre, yes i have |
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| 02:11.49 | podre | plasmoduck, you could try to download the package and install it manually |
| 02:11.50 | jmcnaught | plasmoduck: which release of Debian are you using? Spotify was probably compiled for Jessie which has that version of libssl. If you are on stretch you probably need to install the libssl1.0.0 package from Jessie |
| 02:12.00 | podre | which debian version are you usin there? |
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| 02:12.30 | plasmoduck | Im not sure how do I check |
| 02:12.51 | markybob | plasmoduck: lsb_relase -a |
| 02:13.01 | markybob | lsb_release* |
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| 02:14.04 | locrian9 | dvs: I'm in the "amd64/" directory off this mirror, but can't find the "boot.img.gz" there. Can you take a quick look? |
| 02:14.15 | locrian9 | http://ftp.riken.go.jp/Linux/debian/debian-cdimage/archive/4.0_r9/ |
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| 02:14.31 | plasmoduck | Stretch |
| 02:14.51 | markybob | !debian-next |
| 02:14.51 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:14.57 | markybob | plasmoduck: go there. |
| 02:15.13 | plasmoduck | Thanks |
| 02:15.31 | jmcnaught | plasmoduck: if you're not sure how to check which release you're using or how to solve this kind of problem, you should consider using Debian Stable instead, just saying |
| 02:15.48 | markybob | agreed |
| 02:16.14 | plasmoduck | jmcnaught,the software is too old in stable. |
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| 02:17.19 | jmcnaught | plasmoduck: too old for what? it also works and isn't a moving target. stretch isn't just newer versions, it's also under development and bound to have problems |
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| 02:17.34 | dvs | locrian9, there's suppose to be a "hd-media" directory which contains that file. |
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| 02:21.47 | ecom | I'm getting the error "Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed" when trying to connect to bluetooth. I loaded the pulse-bluetooth module, installed bluez-firmware, bluetooth, and all other necessary components. What's causing the error? |
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| 02:23.00 | locrian9 | dvs: Yes! I found it! http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 02:23.29 | n_blownapart | hi could anyone help me compile a usb wireless antennae on jessie 8 ? I'm getting errors while running make at 4) in the directions here : http://www.pandawireless.com/download/PWUsersManual4Linux_v1.0s.pdf thanks |
| 02:23.38 | n_blownapart | driver* that is |
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| 02:26.17 | n_blownapart | the company told me to not add "blacklist rt2800usb" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf (which is fbdev-blacklist.conf) on my system. ^ |
| 02:29.02 | Javabean | n_blownapart: copy&paste the error to paste.debian.net and then post the link here |
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| 02:30.21 | n_blownapart | Javabean, thanks one sec |
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| 02:31.07 | Javabean | oh no, i can't help... but those that can will be better able to once they stick their heads back into the room |
| 02:32.54 | n_blownapart | ok thanks Javabean here it is on another paste bin the errors read at the end of this output : https://www.refheap.com/118750 |
| 02:34.20 | Javabean | n_blownapart: are you on debian? |
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| 02:35.16 | markybob | n_blownapart: why are you asking us about fedora? |
| 02:35.36 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: /etc/modprobe.d/ is a directory you can put multiple blacklist files, each with a name that makes sense for its purpose. also are you sure that the Debian kernel doesn't already support this device and simply needs a firmware? |
| 02:35.50 | n_blownapart | no markybob I was told this would work on jessie 8 , sans the blacklist addition |
| 02:35.54 | ecom | I get the error saying "Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed". I checked the journalctl and the only error I see is that the "Not enough free handles to register service" and dmesg shows no errors with bluetooth. |
| 02:36.44 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, I think it is supported PnP but how do I get the firmware ? I've been dealing with non-native speaking tech support via email to no avail. |
| 02:37.38 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: when you plug the device in, run "dmesg | grep -i firmware" and look for the file it's failing to load |
| 02:38.04 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: also under whatever edits you did to the files in /etc/modprobe.d. if you need to redo them, make a new file in that directory |
| 02:39.27 | jmcnaught | ecom: i don't even have bluetooth, but what kind of device is it? have you searched for the model + linux on the web? which bluetooth profile is it supposed to use? |
| 02:40.01 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, thanks trying that. I have people on linux channel also helping. appreciate the patience |
| 02:41.14 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: oh well since you're cross posting i'll let you work it out in ##linux and maybe chime in there. it's rude to ask in multiple channels, gets people to type stuff that has probably already been suggested elsewhere |
| 02:42.19 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, sorry things were slow. I agree please forgive me. |
| 02:42.38 | ecom | jmcnaught: it's a bluetooth speaker, I did search for anyone trying to connect to the same model speaker, but no one had made a post about it online. Right now, pairing says it's successful and bluetoothctl says that it successfully connected, then immediately it says "Connected: no" |
| 02:42.41 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, here is the output of your suggested command : https://www.refheap.com/118752 |
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| 02:43.10 | locrian9 | markybob: Working on doing what channel user: 'dvs' suggested. I'm getting a 'bash: /dev/sdb: Permission denied' when trying to do the 'sudo zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb' command. Take a look at the sequence: https://ptpb.pw/tot6 |
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| 02:43.54 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: that firmware is in the firmware-ralink package in non-free |
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| 02:44.12 | locrian9 | Do I need to chmod on my 'boot.img.gz' file? |
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| 02:47.31 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, ok I have clearance to stay here on debian. here is the output of lsmod as per linux channel member suggestion , if you have time to view : https://www.refheap.com/118753 |
| 02:48.10 | n_blownapart | that person said it should be very easy to get the device working. jmcnaught |
| 02:48.13 | locrian9 | Got to bolt... I'm logging the room, so if you have a suggestion please post. Thanks. |
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| 02:49.40 | markybob | locrian9: i don't know how to help you further. |
| 02:49.42 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: once that firmware is installed, the dmesg output should say something positive when it gets plugged in |
| 02:50.08 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, thanks, let me look I think there is a |
| 02:50.18 | n_blownapart | "non-free" listing in there |
| 02:51.22 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: did you install that package? There's also a wiki page for this device: https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb |
| 02:52.03 | ecom | jmcnaught: do you know how to fix the error of "Connection failure: Connection refused" when trying "sudo pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover"? |
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| 02:54.10 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, thanks kindly working on it. please stand by |
| 02:55.47 | ecom | jmcnaught: I have no idea what happened. Bluetooth is working all of a sudden now. |
| 02:56.07 | jmcnaught | ecom: not sure exactly. https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser suggests running "hcitool dev" to see if the device is listed. From what I understand about bluetooth there are different profiles for things like HID, audio device, audio duplex, each with it's own codename like A2DP etc |
| 02:56.40 | jmcnaught | ecom: i have even less clue :) check your command history, dmesg output, journalctl for clues to see what happened just now |
| 02:57.09 | ecom | jmcnaught: I get exactly the same errors, but this time bluetooth connected. Like the "sap driver couldn't be loaded", but bluetooth still connected. |
| 02:57.21 | ecom | jmcnaught: I'm going to reboot and see if I can connect again. |
| 02:57.33 | n_blownapart | in /etc/apt/sources.list does this look correct jmcnaught ? deb http://debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free .. that can't be right (as per suggestion of product tech support) |
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| 02:58.05 | markybob | n_blownapart: no |
| 02:58.24 | markybob | !jessie sources.list |
| 02:58.24 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 02:58.56 | markybob | n_blownapart: just add contrib and non_free to the end after main |
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| 02:59.06 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: the example on this page is a little more readable: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 02:59.42 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: and like markybob says you add non-free after main on each line |
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| 03:00.49 | markybob | n_blownapart: yeah don't mind my typo. non-free not non_free |
| 03:01.16 | n_blownapart | markybob, jmcnaught thanks kindly working on it |
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| 03:01.25 | locrian10 | markybob: did that make sense about that output? |
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| 03:02.05 | markybob | locrian10: no. but i don't know how to help you |
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| 03:02.52 | ecom | jmcnaught: I get the same errors in journalctl and dmesg. I also don't get bluetooth, but at least we know now that it works, it's just that something is wrong. |
| 03:03.10 | dvs | locrian10, I'd try running it as root |
| 03:04.10 | jmcnaught | locrian10: any chance booting from a USB cdrom is an option? Also is this server from the same era as the ancient Debian you're installing? You might need to install at least a newer kernel for hardware support, probably good to be prepared for that |
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| 03:05.04 | n_blownapart | markybob, jmcnaught hey should all these entries have non-free and is this correct now ? : https://www.refheap.com/118754 |
| 03:05.06 | jmcnaught | ecom: which desktop environment are you using by the way? |
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| 03:05.47 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: line 7 is not a Debian repo, it's foreign and might not have a non-free section |
| 03:06.19 | ecom | jmcnaught: i'm not using a DE, i'm using i3 |
| 03:06.47 | locrian10 | dvs: I don't have my pastebin link in front of me at the moment. Did I not put sudo in front of the command? |
| 03:07.00 | n_blownapart | ok thanks jmcnaught |
| 03:07.06 | dvs | locrian10, sometimes, sudo is not the same thing |
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| 03:07.39 | markybob | !tell n_blownapart about dontbreakdebian |
| 03:07.47 | markybob | !tell n_blownapart about frankendebian |
| 03:07.52 | markybob | n_blownapart: things to keep in mind |
| 03:08.15 | locrian10 | Yeah, I'll have to try 'su' as well. |
| 03:08.29 | ecom | Does anyone know how to find the debian package that includes a certain command? For example, right now I need to run the hidd command, but I don't know which package that is in. |
| 03:08.42 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: jessie-backports has a docker.io package too |
| 03:08.52 | n_blownapart | markybob, sorry please explain .. is my sources.list wrong ? |
| 03:09.32 | n_blownapart | should I delete the docker stuff I'm not using it. |
| 03:09.35 | n_blownapart | ? |
| 03:09.40 | jmcnaught | ecom: apt-file can do that |
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| 03:10.50 | ecom | apt-file command not found? |
| 03:11.19 | jmcnaught | ecom: apt-get install apt-file, then read its README |
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| 03:16.24 | n_blownapart | can you guys check if my sources.list looks right? I deleted the docker business. https://www.refheap.com/118755 thanks jmcnaught markybob |
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| 03:17.17 | n_blownapart | before I do : apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-ralink ^^ |
| 03:17.26 | dvs | n_blownapart, line 1 should be httpredir.debian.org also |
| 03:18.18 | ryouma | if i do rmadison or apt-cache policy, i can find out what versions are available (well, usually; it doesn't always get bckports). can i find the changelog from my current version to any of the versions that are avilable? |
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| 03:18.28 | jml2 | n_blownapart, https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 03:18.41 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: leaving the docker repo there was probably best if you have packages installed from it (so they get updated), it's just important to understand the risks with foreign repos is all |
| 03:19.15 | n_blownapart | dvs thanks I changed it . thanks jml2 looking at that. ok thanks jmcnaught I'll redo that later. |
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| 03:22.47 | n_blownapart | so I did 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-ralink' just now. jmcnaught dvs markybob |
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| 03:23.38 | locrian10 | dvs: Did my command output error make sense to you? |
| 03:23.50 | dvs | nope |
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| 03:26.48 | n_blownapart | so I guess I still need to compile the driver, or is this now plug n play after I added non-free elements ? jmcnaught markybob ? thanks for being patient |
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| 03:27.31 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: no need to compile the driver. you probably just need to reinsert the device |
| 03:27.41 | jml2 | sometimes different edition of modules are not compatible with different releases of firmware |
| 03:28.01 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: compiling drivers from source is a last resort on Debian, to be avoided if at all possible |
| 03:28.32 | n_blownapart | I can't get my system to find my network under usb wifi |
| 03:28.46 | n_blownapart | after replugging in the device |
| 03:29.09 | markybob | n_blownapart: i might try the kernel from jessie-backports and then rebooting |
| 03:29.22 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: how are you trying? |
| 03:29.36 | n_blownapart | try the kernel, what do you mean ? |
| 03:29.54 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: does /sbin/iwconfig list it now? |
| 03:30.16 | markybob | n_blownapart: backports has a newer kernel and a newer firmware-ralink backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 03:30.36 | n_blownapart | I go to settings, network, click on usb wifi and try to select a signal. thanks hold on getting overwhelmed a bit. |
| 03:31.11 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: before trying the backports kernel i would check dmesg output again, or see if iwconfig lists the device |
| 03:32.07 | markybob | n_blownapart: i'm not against jmcnaught |
| 03:32.48 | markybob | n_blownapart: but basically you add deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main to sources.list, apt-get update, then apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64 firmware-ralink and reboot |
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| 03:33.13 | n_blownapart | ok when I do /sbin/iwconfig where would it be listed. I could send the output on a paste. |
| 03:33.24 | jmcnaught | actually for backports kernel that firmware is in the firmware-misc-nonfree package now |
| 03:33.34 | markybob | oh okay |
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| 03:33.57 | n_blownapart | https://www.refheap.com/118756 |
| 03:34.39 | n_blownapart | so it should all be updated (no need to do the backports install? |
| 03:34.55 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: so you have wlan0 and wlan1. do you have more than one wifi device? |
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| 03:35.24 | markybob | sorry add non-free to that backports line |
| 03:36.02 | n_blownapart | well jmcnaught I was told the wifi on my dell i3 machine is shit, so I went and bought this device called a dongle, with an external antennae and usb wifi chip I guess |
| 03:36.33 | n_blownapart | so yeah do I need to turn off the 'PCI' wifi ? |
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| 03:38.02 | n_blownapart | markybob, jmcnaught ^ |
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| 03:38.53 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: are you using NetworkManager? at this point it should be able to see networks. you could try restarting the NetworkManager service, or rebooting |
| 03:39.14 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: there's also https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 03:39.59 | n_blownapart | sorry if I'm taxing you. jmcnaught . how to restart networkManager ? |
| 03:40.45 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: "systemctl restart NetworkManager" |
| 03:40.57 | n_blownapart | ok trying it thanks kindly\ |
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| 03:42.31 | smecin | https://h4x0rsite.wordpress.com/2016/05/05/what-you-should-do-when-connecting-to-irc-ponnychat-net-first-put-auto-join-h4x0r-icj-read-more/ |
| 03:42.57 | n_blownapart | gonna sign off while I reboot. please hang on if you have time jmcnaught markybob thanks ! |
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| 03:53.24 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, still struggling after reboot markybob |
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| 03:57.15 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: what does "nmcli device" say about wlan1? |
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| 03:58.03 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, unavailable |
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| 03:59.37 | n_blownapart | https://www.refheap.com/118758 jmcnaught |
| 03:59.40 | Yehai | !time |
| 03:59.40 | dpkg | hmm... time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2016.05.06 3:59:40, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_system_and_hardware_time and ask me about <set time>. |
| 03:59.50 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: if you reinsert the device, "journalctl -b --since -2min" will show you messages from the last 2 minutes |
| 04:00.14 | n_blownapart | ok after reboot I did not reinsert the device btw |
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| 04:00.52 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: after a reboot it should not need to be reinserted, but we're interested in what clues are in the logs after it's been inserted |
| 04:01.15 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, "No journal files were found" |
| 04:01.59 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: journalctl needs to be run as root, or a member of the adm group. The adm group has access to logs in Debian |
| 04:02.14 | n_blownapart | ok I'll try it. |
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| 04:02.52 | n_blownapart | oh I got plenty of output including errors. one sec I'll post it jmcnaught |
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| 04:03.34 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell n_blownapart about pastebinit |
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| 04:04.06 | n_blownapart | https://www.refheap.com/118759 sorry jmcnaught shall I use a different paste |
| 04:04.08 | n_blownapart | bin? |
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| 04:04.22 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: with all the pastebinning, that tool dpkg messaged you about will be helpful. for example "journalctl --since -5min | pastebinit" |
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| 04:05.11 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: the pastebin you're using is fine, but the lines are truncated in your paste, and pastebinit makes it easier |
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| 04:05.57 | n_blownapart | strange actually the truncation was like that on the output jmcnaught |
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| 04:10.12 | n_blownapart | sorry jmcnaught this looks better : https://www.refheap.com/118760 |
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| 04:11.25 | n_blownapart | I wonder if I'm still having trouble with trying to alter the blacklist file. |
| 04:11.45 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: seems like it's still not loading the firmware file. What do "dpkg -S rt2870.bin" and "apt-cache policy firmware-ralink" say? |
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| 04:12.03 | jml2 | dpkg -S <full path> |
| 04:12.03 | dpkg | There is no record of a <full path> package |
| 04:12.09 | n_blownapart | checking |
| 04:13.49 | n_blownapart | https://www.refheap.com/118761 jmcnaught |
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| 04:14.35 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: so you didn't install the package? |
| 04:15.16 | markybob | n_blownapart: you need to apt-get install firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 04:16.15 | jmcnaught | that would be for the backports package, but i don't think n_blownapart actually installed firmware-ralink for the stock kernel yet which is what we should try first |
| 04:16.45 | n_blownapart | hold on the command was apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-ralink |
| 04:16.58 | markybob | okay. i'm going to bed anyway. |
| 04:17.05 | n_blownapart | thanks markybob |
| 04:17.24 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: and check the output. you can run them separately too |
| 04:17.27 | jmcnaught | markybob: night |
| 04:18.08 | n_blownapart | hold on I'll try update and second and third commands this time |
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| 04:18.54 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: you probably don't need to update at this point, just "apt-get install firmware-ralink" since apt-cache policy sees a candidate available |
| 04:21.07 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, very sorry, please let me show you what I just ran and it's output ... |
| 04:21.54 | n_blownapart | https://www.refheap.com/118762 |
| 04:22.15 | n_blownapart | you can see I got and error regarding 'malformed sources.list file' |
| 04:22.18 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, |
| 04:22.49 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: && in bash is logical and, so the second command only runs if the first command runs without error |
| 04:23.20 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: for now, just do "apt-get install firmware-ralink", deal with the broken chrome repo later |
| 04:23.55 | n_blownapart | ok |
| 04:25.21 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: it's important when you run commands that you watch the output for errors. installing a package will say that a package has been installed |
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| 04:25.31 | n_blownapart | two lines read Unpacking firmware-ralink , Setting up firmware-ralink |
| 04:26.23 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: now reinsert the device, check "journalctl --since -2min" or dmesg output to see if reports success of some sort |
| 04:26.28 | n_blownapart | full output : https://www.refheap.com/118763 |
| 04:26.34 | n_blownapart | ok |
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| 04:28.42 | n_blownapart | looks better ? jmcnaught : https://www.refheap.com/118764 |
| 04:29.38 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: sure. what do you think? does it work now? |
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| 04:30.15 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, let me sign off and check it. really appreciate it |
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| 04:43.49 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, hi, the connection seems better, but USB wifi say 'Not Connected" and PCI wifi says the name of our home wifi |
| 04:45.30 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: now that you finally have the firmware installed, you should be able to use it with NetworkManager |
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| 04:49.19 | n_blownapart | my signal strength is roughly 41 % . jmcnaught It seems when I try to turn off my PCI wifi and turn on the USB wifi it defaults back to the PCI |
| 04:50.09 | jakew02 | n_blownapart: are they using different modules? You can just blacklist the module used by the pci wireless card and kill it from boot altogether |
| 04:50.46 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: or even simpler than that, turn the PCI wifi off in the NetworkManager interface you're using |
| 04:51.13 | somiaj | even then, they should have presitance interface names, wlan0, wlan1, etc. only configure the one youw ant to use. |
| 04:51.34 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, I'm reading about having to log out of GNOME etc somiaj |
| 04:51.44 | jakew02 | That was my next suggestion^ although being "clean" shouldn't you want to disable it altogether so it's not even running to prevent logspam ? |
| 04:52.12 | somiaj | n_blownapart: you shouldn't need to logout of gnome to change network configuration |
| 04:52.39 | somiaj | n_blownapart: if using network-manager, just use the gui that comes with gnome. You shoudl be able to configure which interface to use, etc |
| 04:52.39 | n_blownapart | jakew02, I can't seem to turn off the PCI wifi at all. It keeps turning back on. somiaj how to get ui for network manager ? |
| 04:53.10 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: are you in GNOME? |
| 04:53.35 | somiaj | (could it be the pci, wlan0, is in the interfaces file thus making it not controable from network-manager) |
| 04:53.43 | jakew02 | n_blownapart: ah. OK. That's why I would suggest blacklisting the module for your pci card via modprobe |
| 04:54.08 | jakew02 | (I'm learning here too, btw) |
| 04:54.09 | n_blownapart | geez what a cluster-fuck |
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| 04:54.31 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, yes I'm in Gnome |
| 04:54.40 | somiaj | n_blownapart: maybe take a step back, what do you use to configure your network? |
| 04:55.11 | n_blownapart | somiaj, just the little pull down arrow in upper right corner of screen |
| 04:55.14 | somiaj | jakew02: that shouln't be needed. Though it would work, it should be possible to correctly configure what interface n_blownapart wants to use. |
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| 04:55.37 | somiaj | n_blownapart: okay, that is network-manager, maybe you can get more info if you double click or open up another ui. |
| 04:55.58 | somiaj | n_blownapart: is both wlan0 and wlan1 (or does nm call them something else) listedn in that drop down menu? |
| 04:56.02 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: don't bother with blacklisting. Go to the Settings > Network. There's a list of connections when the PCI wifi is selected. Click the gear icon beside the configured connection, Click on the "reset" item in the sidebar, click on forget button |
| 04:57.36 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, ok did that |
| 04:57.37 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: when looking at the connection details the "identity" section also has a "connect automatically" checkbox |
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| 04:59.06 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, under the USB wifi, there is no gear icon. and the gear icon for the PCI wifi is now gone. |
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| 04:59.21 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: also the computer might have a hardware switch to disable internal wifi |
| 04:59.33 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: that gear icon is for networks you've connected to before |
| 04:59.52 | n_blownapart | hardware switch? |
| 05:00.22 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: my laptop for example has a switch to disable internal wifi |
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| 05:01.11 | somiaj | n_blownapart: run this command, 'cat /etc/network/interfaces' -- do you see any other interface besides 'lo' in the output, such as say wlan0? |
| 05:01.20 | n_blownapart | ok |
| 05:02.29 | n_blownapart | somiaj, it shows ' source /etc/network/interfaces.d/* |
| 05:02.29 | n_blownapart | # The loopback network interface |
| 05:02.29 | n_blownapart | auto lo |
| 05:02.29 | n_blownapart | iface lo inet loopback' |
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| 05:03.50 | awwal | xD |
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| 05:04.32 | n_blownapart | sorry I was kicked off |
| 05:04.34 | somiaj | n_blownapart: don't paste to the channel, use paste.debian.net |
| 05:04.45 | n_blownapart | somiaj, is this ok? https://www.refheap.com/118766 |
| 05:04.47 | somiaj | n_blownapart: anyways, were there many more lines after 'iface lo inet loopback' -- don't paste |
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| 05:05.50 | somiaj | n_blownapart: that is just what you wanted. I was just double checking it wasn't messing with your ability to control the interface with network-magner. jmcnaught advise should allow you to disable the pci wifi interface (or just not use it) |
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| 05:06.20 | n_blownapart | you mean a physical switch ? somiaj |
| 05:06.42 | somiaj | n_blownapart: I was talking about the using the network manager settings in gnome to disable the pci interface |
| 05:07.07 | somiaj | n_blownapart: sometimes that hardware switch is a fn + key combo on the laptop, but some laptops do have a switch on the side that turns off the wifi |
| 05:07.12 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: not all computers have them, it was just a suggestion. NetworkManager is opportunistic, so when something becomes available it will use it (if it has before) |
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| 05:07.48 | n_blownapart | sorry I don't follow. what should I do at this stage? |
| 05:08.27 | n_blownapart | this is a dell tower with an i3 intel chip |
| 05:08.59 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: only use the USB wifi if that's what you want. If NetworkManager remembers connecting to a network with the PCI wifi it will try to use that too, so you can tell it to forget those connections with the steps i outlined above |
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| 05:10.48 | somiaj | looks like you can use the config line "unmanaged-devices=mac:00:19:e0:57:86:af" (with the correct mac address) in /etc/NetworkManger/NetowrkManager.conf to have networkmanager completely ignore the device. Though I'm surprised there isn't some 'on/off' switch in the nm gui to not use the device. |
| 05:11.38 | somiaj | http://support.qacafe.com/knowledge-base/how-do-i-prevent-network-manager-from-controlling-an-interface/#alternate-keyfile-method |
| 05:11.43 | jml2 | you can also enable the ifupdown NM plugin and set "auto <interface>" in interfaces |
| 05:12.06 | jml2 | that plugin is enabled by default in debian |
| 05:12.33 | jml2 | somiaj, ^ |
| 05:12.37 | jmcnaught | the NetworkManager GUI in GNOME does have a "turn off" feature for interfaces, not sure how it persists across reboots though |
| 05:13.26 | somiaj | jml2: yea I know that, but then the interface would need some sort of configuretion in the interfaces file (unsure what to put in the interfaces file for this case, i.e. auto wlan0 will try to bring up wlan0 with ifup) |
| 05:13.53 | jml2 | somiaj, ? |
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| 05:14.19 | jml2 | somiaj, no just that one line -> "auto <interface>" no other setting for <interface> goes in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:14.29 | jml2 | somiaj, if there's "iface ..." then comment out |
| 05:14.56 | somiaj | jml2: 'auto wlan0' would cause the networking line to run 'ifup wlan0' and if tehre is no configuration wouldn't this cause ifup to error out thus making the networking init error out? |
| 05:15.03 | somiaj | I mean networking service |
| 05:15.04 | jml2 | somiaj, no |
| 05:15.21 | jml2 | somiaj, you mean ifupdown |
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| 05:15.32 | jml2 | somiaj, that's the method name |
| 05:15.43 | jml2 | (and package) |
| 05:16.06 | somiaj | jml2: whcih contains two scripts, ifup and ifdown which parse the interfaces file to bring up/down interfaces |
| 05:16.29 | jml2 | somiaj, ifupdown coexists with NM.. |
| 05:16.48 | jml2 | somiaj, ( [main] |
| 05:16.48 | jml2 | plugins=ifupdown,keyfile -- should be in NetworkManager.conf) |
| 05:17.01 | somiaj | jml2: all the auto line does is tell the networking service to run 'ifup <interface>' during boot, and without a config for the interface it exits with an error (probabaly not the best idea for a init service) |
| 05:17.08 | jml2 | somiaj, bye |
| 05:17.34 | jml2 | (read the manpages) |
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| 05:18.11 | jmcnaught | hmmm.. so i've never had two wifi interfaces on the same computer, but it looks like NetworkManager keyfiles don't specify an interface.. |
| 05:18.32 | somiaj | yes nm will ignore interfaces controled in the interfaces file, but I don't think just putting 'auto <interface>' in the interfaces file is a good idea, because yes nm will now ignore it, but the networking script could have a non-zero exit code (I haven't tested this and this is what I'm unsure about) |
| 05:18.39 | jmcnaught | also i think jml2 is perhaps unaware that by default on Debian NetworkManager.conf contains |
| 05:18.52 | jmcnaught | [ifupdown] \ managed=false |
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| 05:19.17 | somiaj | jmcnaught: I just thoguht it was better to tell nm to ignore the interface via the mac address than to configure it in the interfaces file. |
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| 05:20.08 | jmcnaught | somiaj: i agree with you. i also wonder if you turn a device off in the NM gui if it remembers this after a reboot |
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| 05:22.23 | jmcnaught | anyways, the person who needed help seems to be gone at the moment, but an all GUI solution is probably best for them if possible. it was a bit of a struggle to get the firmware package installed for their usb wifi device |
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| 05:23.02 | somiaj | jmcnaught: I'd hope nm would rember its settings, but I have very little expereince with using it |
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| 05:26.01 | jmcnaught | somiaj: it usually just works for me, but i've never tried adding a second wifi device |
| 05:26.20 | television | meow |
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| 05:29.02 | Thraul | any samba guru's around? |
| 05:29.36 | somiaj | Thraul: you can ask your question, but sounds like asking in a samba support channel woudl be more appropraite. |
| 05:29.56 | somiaj | Thraul: #samba |
| 05:30.08 | Thraul | yeah thanks I am in there now and about to ask. Relised it was more of a samba config issue than a debian issue. |
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| 06:19.00 | lolz | Q: Installed debian few days ago. Today, asked by system to run fsck manually, result 0.2 non contiguous. System mount as read-only. |
| 06:19.14 | lolz | So, i don't know what's the proper way to fix that, cannot start my desktop anymore |
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| 06:19.56 | lolz | Just now im moving partition to the last part of drive, to avoid bad blocks while buying a new disk :/ but i wanna ask here before. thx |
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| 06:20.33 | zinx | that is unlikely to help if it's a problem with the hard drive |
| 06:20.37 | zinx | very likely to hurt :/ |
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| 06:20.57 | lolz | i assume and guess too much, that's the why im asking :) |
| 06:21.16 | lolz | i didn't used full hd, just a little partition on the start... so I guess the drive will work a bit more |
| 06:21.43 | lolz | as part of my problem, the filesystem has been modified / damaged a bit. so I have another question |
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| 06:22.01 | superlinux | I wanted to try debian unstable on virtualbox. I understand it's unstable. so i downloaded the latest stable netinst iso file, installed debian 8.4 , then I changed my apt network mirror to download from unstable. i did then apt-get dist-upgrade. after rebooting the virtual machine, I was not able to connect to the internet. i tried both bridged mode and NAT mode. none worked. |
| 06:22.12 | lolz | Q: What's a proper way to restore filesystem? |
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| 06:22.37 | zinx | restore from your backup, or pay someone who knows what they're doing if the data's worth it. |
| 06:22.42 | superlinux | so please I need a solution without reinstalling the VM. |
| 06:22.43 | zinx | but that is not the answer you wanted :x |
| 06:22.53 | lolz | you seem not fully understanding me |
| 06:23.10 | zinx | oh, i understand, i just can't provide you with the answer you want |
| 06:23.15 | lolz | i can have the ISO then manually copy and paste filesystem parts... |
| 06:23.28 | lolz | just asking if someone know a tool like "repair my fs" :) to save time |
| 06:23.40 | lolz | btw, I don't know wich files where damaged |
| 06:23.57 | tensorpudding | lolz: This is ext4 right? |
| 06:24.05 | lolz | I don't wanna fully reinstall the SO, and didn't have enough time to back up it, cuz im out of hdd space now |
| 06:24.08 | lolz | yes, ext4 |
| 06:24.24 | tensorpudding | What is the exact error that you got when you ran fsck? |
| 06:24.41 | lolz | multiple one, the bad one was about a short read |
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| 06:25.03 | lolz | seems that few important files where lost by deleting bad blocks |
| 06:25.06 | tensorpudding | So it couldn't fix it? |
| 06:25.24 | lolz | not sure, just run fsck, pressing Y to everything |
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| 06:25.42 | lolz | then resulted into a broken filesystem. Now i can only got terminal |
| 06:25.48 | tensorpudding | It sounds like you need to reboot into a live environment and backup your files. |
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| 06:26.04 | lolz | Im on that live, moving partition to a better hd part |
| 06:26.10 | zinx | using the hard drive at this point to do anything other than copy the files off it is likely to make it fail faster. |
| 06:26.12 | lolz | but wanna know how to detect and repair those files |
| 06:26.12 | tensorpudding | That is not a good idea. |
| 06:26.18 | lolz | in windows you can do scannow /f |
| 06:26.23 | lolz | is there any way like that? |
| 06:26.31 | tensorpudding | You probably can't repair those files if fsck couldn't read them. |
| 06:26.50 | tensorpudding | At least, not with the tools you have available, there might be forensic tools available. |
| 06:26.57 | zinx | you can overwrite the bad blocks with zeros to make the hard drive reallocate them, but getting the data may or may not be possible |
| 06:26.58 | lolz | yes, i wanna buy new hdd, asking for knowledge |
| 06:27.22 | lolz | fsck did write at least 2 blocks with zero |
| 06:27.27 | lolz | but broken system :) |
| 06:27.29 | tensorpudding | If you're writing files to another part of the same disk you risk losing more data by running the disk more, exposing more bad blocks on the areas you're writing to. |
| 06:27.42 | lolz | please, don't care about disk data |
| 06:27.47 | zinx | do note that you should use 4k blocks, aligned to 4k boundaries, because most drives are 4k now (even the ones that report being 512 byte) |
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| 06:28.16 | lolz | I have 640gb hdd, but working from a 80gb partition |
| 06:28.26 | lolz | now I moved it to the very last hdd disk section |
| 06:28.48 | lolz | guessing that this part of the disc is "new", but im not sure if this will work, of for how much long |
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| 06:29.23 | tensorpudding | I don't actually know how to force fsck to do what you want. |
| 06:29.41 | lolz | Q: is there anything like the windows command "scannow /f" to repair installation? |
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| 06:30.37 | tensorpudding | If you've rebooted after fsck found the bad blocks, unless there is more bad stuff going on when fsck runs again it I don't think it'll be in read-only mode, |
| 06:31.40 | lolz | Is not in read-only mode, is in "broken" mode |
| 06:31.51 | lolz | now im moving partition, so I cant test it again |
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| 06:33.42 | lolz | zinx, didn't got what you tried to explain about that 4k mention |
| 06:33.59 | lolz | I understand what you said, but nothing did asked me about that setting, usually is auto |
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| 06:36.55 | zinx | lolz: it's a characteristic of the hard drive, not a setting. if you overwrite 4k bytes aligned to a 4k boundary, the hard drive will reallocate that 4k sector if it was not reallocatable (due to not being readable) |
| 06:37.24 | lolz | zinx, setting on the program that operates the hard drive |
| 06:37.26 | zinx | lolz: if you instead overwrite 512 bytes, or something not aligned to 4k, some hard drives will cease to function until you power them off for a bit. |
| 06:37.59 | zinx | (only to bad sectors, mind you) |
| 06:38.46 | lolz | So you think that fsck is a bad program and it did wrote 512byte zeroes instead of fill the 4k block design? |
| 06:38.55 | lolz | I dude that, but thank you for that info |
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| 06:39.30 | lolz | zinx, do you know how to repair / reinstall debian 8 without wipe my current install?= |
| 06:41.07 | High_Priest | is there a log of this channel somewhere online? |
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| 06:42.36 | lolz | did you googled for it? |
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| 06:44.31 | jmcnaught | !irclogs |
| 06:44.32 | dpkg | i guess irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
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| 06:50.26 | High_Priest | jmcnaught, thanks |
| 06:50.32 | High_Priest | I tried googling it but no luck |
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| 06:50.48 | High_Priest | so I guess logs from tonight will be available tomorrow? |
| 06:51.38 | High_Priest | tonight > 6th of May |
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| 06:52.07 | jmcnaught | not sure exactly. if you're wondering why you got highlighted there were spam attacks. your IRC client can probably do logging or a highlight window too. |
| 06:52.19 | High_Priest | oh, that explains it |
| 06:52.27 | High_Priest | I thought someone answered my question :) |
| 06:53.18 | jmcnaught | most IRC clients have an away mode that will keep track of your highlights, just don't set it to do annoying stuff like nick changes or announcing that you're away |
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| 08:14.32 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 08:21.31 | lolz | do you know how to repair / reinstall debian 8 without wipe my current install? |
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| 08:22.06 | darxmurf | what did you break ? |
| 08:23.11 | lolz | im not sure if I should repeat my whole problem again :/ |
| 08:23.24 | lolz | just answer first, and I would modify my question if needed |
| 08:23.31 | lolz | thanks you anyway :) |
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| 08:26.02 | lolz | darxmurf, dont? |
| 08:26.56 | darxmurf | just arrived now |
| 08:27.01 | darxmurf | don't know your problem |
| 08:27.32 | darxmurf | boot, reinstall on the same partition without formating |
| 08:27.41 | jelly | slax0r: it's very possible kernel support does not even exist any more in those. grep AUFS /boot/config-* |
| 08:27.49 | darxmurf | you will end with a mix of files |
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| 08:33.36 | lolz | okay, ill reinstall without formatting, sounds logical |
| 08:33.56 | lolz | problem was bad filesystem, after manually and forced fsck |
| 08:34.04 | lolz | I know, hdd is diying so I will buy new asap |
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| 08:34.29 | lolz | i still have the files, just something from fs is broken, and only a terminal is spawned |
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| 08:34.46 | lolz | so my need is just to repair "filesystem" part of files ;) |
| 08:35.23 | zamuro | How's the most efficient way to pass params before executing a bash script? by exporting them as a environment variable or just passing them as a string variable into the script? It'll be helpful if some examples are provided. Thanks a lot. |
| 08:35.27 | lolz | darxmurf, I finished moving files from partition at first of disk to the very last section of it, to avoid the well known bad sectors |
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| 08:36.23 | lolz | zamuro, i will argue that passing them as argumets will avoid looking in globals, but is just my guess. |
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| 08:37.08 | lolz | apart of that, there's no real impact between read a variable versus read arguments. |
| 08:37.56 | zamuro | lolz: I'd like to differenciate parameters from arguments. Command would be something like param1=value param2=value command [string of arguments] |
| 08:38.26 | zamuro | Or perhaps the opposite, argument1=value argument2=value command [string of params] |
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| 08:38.37 | zamuro | Yeah... that would make more sense, ain't it? |
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| 08:39.24 | lolz | that totally depends on how do you parse your arguments :) |
| 08:39.42 | lolz | I usually only use globals to override certain values |
| 08:39.52 | lolz | the other are passed to the program as usual |
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| 08:40.57 | lolz | arguments are shown in the top output, so exporting first the values may add tricky to that |
| 08:41.18 | Iridos | lolz, uh. get a new disk, install with the same set of packages (/msg dpkg debian clone) copy your user data from the broken disk |
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| 08:41.25 | lolz | darxmurf, thank you, backup finished, i'll try to reinstall my debian ;) see you |
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| 08:41.35 | zamuro | lolz: thx |
| 08:41.39 | Iridos | lolz, it's not as if you could rely on the old disk anymore with anything you want to keep anyway |
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| 08:41.46 | lolz | Iridos, im fine, ready to break my system even more :) |
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| 08:51.07 | lolz | yes, cannot rely, see you guys |
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| 08:53.25 | cantwise | FREENODE STAFF WANT TO CONTROL ALL ASPECTS AND MEMBERS OF YOUR OWN PROJECT AS THEIR TERMS OF SERVICE. fred`` tadej Ishaq Hello71 erry dtcrshr pasturesofplenty cpm__ ephesius internat batrick krups nickle snow_bckspc ix towa_ STMelon mesamoo TmvC michiel AlwaysHigh Sthebig pushpop foul_owl intothemountains freakcom amospalla [pabu] Mazhive azmodeus therock247uk Lirion _aeris_ jaythelinuxguy papey quasisane angor beatdown blazed_ keith4 |
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| 08:53.54 | k0nsl | i'll show you fair suppoty... |
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| 09:00.12 | ToyKeeper | Hi, er, anyone know a solution for conflicts between libgnutls-deb0-28 and libgnutls30? I'm trying to install mplayer2 in debian/testing, but it seems currently uninstallable. |
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| 09:02.11 | ToyKeeper | mplayer2 needs libavformat56, which needs libgnutls-deb0-28, but a lot of other packages need libgnutls30 and they can't both be installed at once. |
| 09:02.32 | ToyKeeper | I'm guessing the solution is to rebuild libavformat56 with the newer lib. |
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| 09:03.22 | jelly | ToyKeeper: eh, why not just use mpv |
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| 09:07.16 | ToyKeeper | jelly: Thanks, that looks like it should work. I .. didn't know mpv existed. :) |
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| 09:08.20 | jelly | it seems to be the only fork actually getting some love |
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| 09:09.09 | winem_ | hi, what would you do to fill up the send and rcv queue? I need this for some tests and would write a short python script, that opens a port but does not read from it's queue. unless you have a more efficient and faster solution :) |
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| 09:36.05 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to have pre-shutdown script that automatically gets executed before shutdown/reboot/halt? |
| 09:36.47 | JyZyXEL | or rather, what is the best way to implement such a thing |
| 09:38.56 | JyZyXEL | LMGTFO "systemd script before shutdown" |
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| 09:47.14 | Ghost_r00t | guys what should I do if I want to change keyboard layouts in openbox (which doesn't have any GUI nor it does have system-tray icon.)? |
| 09:47.53 | hightower2 | Ghost_r00t, setxkbmap <CC> possibly? |
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| 09:49.58 | Ghost_r00t | hightower2, what is CC |
| 09:50.18 | hightower2 | Ghost_r00t, country code of course, such as us, de, it, and so on |
| 09:50.59 | Ghost_r00t | hightower2, what about the variant? |
| 09:51.06 | hightower2 | man setxkbmap |
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| 10:01.23 | zoomgry | hi |
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| 10:01.57 | zoomgry | alc833 hda intel sound, after recent upgrade it starts having noise over 100% which didn't happen before on debian jessie |
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| 10:04.32 | tinyhippo | is there a changelog for specific packages anywher? specifically openssh and openssh-server |
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| 10:07.11 | zoomgry_ | http://dpaste.com/0F6Z5XM lsmod |
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| 10:13.56 | zZap-X | anybody know if debian sleep / suspend works on a Apple Powerbook G4 PPC ? |
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| 10:29.45 | ToyKeeper | tinyhippo: Did you look in /usr/share/doc/openssh-server/changelog.Debian.gz ? |
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| 10:47.24 | rmrfchik | after some updates (i suppose, pam_ldap) xscreensaver won't authenticate me anymore (unix_chkpwd[27243]: check pass; user unknown in auth.log) |
| 10:47.32 | rmrfchik | while login/ssh works fine |
| 10:47.35 | rmrfchik | any ideas? |
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| 10:53.23 | ChrisH | rmrfchik: nscd in use? |
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| 10:55.22 | rmrfchik | ChrisH: in use! |
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| 10:55.46 | rmrfchik | restart/update/uninstall? |
| 10:56.07 | rmrfchik | unscd actually |
| 10:56.11 | ChrisH | rmrfchik: restart it..... On Solaris nscd was allways a source of fun. |
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| 10:58.55 | rmrfchik | no help :( |
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| 11:06.44 | zoomgry | I found that the noise happens at lower volumes also and loading module snd_hda_intel with various model options doesn't change its behaviour |
| 11:07.01 | zoomgry | anyone around / is there a better channel on this ? |
| 11:07.54 | Redfoxmoon | zoomgry, #linux ? :) |
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| 11:14.22 | johnny0 | zoomgry: if you still have an older kernel in your grub list, you can try testing against that as a sanity check. At least you'll have an idea of where things broke if the issue goes away. |
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| 11:17.47 | ChrisH | rmrfchik: logout/login possible? Any change? |
| 11:17.49 | johnny0 | zoomgry: i have an alc1150 which has been unusable with the standard jessie kernels (with or without module tweaks) but is more or less fine with the jessie-backports kernel |
| 11:18.18 | zoomgry | backports is fresher though ? thank you for the good idea, I'll check with an older kernel in a few minutes |
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| 11:55.01 | grzeslaw | Hi guys... weird.. issue.. 2weeks ago, I enable start of 3 applications by using chkconfig -s myservice on. Today I logged into machine and discover (using chkconfig --list|grep service), that those services are off by default.. I am running Debian 7.9 - any ideas..? |
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| 11:58.25 | dryblow | what can I use for lock vnc port on only for localhost on debian? I want use it with ssh portforwarding |
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| 11:59.04 | winem_ | dryblow: bind the vnc deamon to localhost (127.0.0.1) or use iptables |
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| 12:01.19 | dryblow | can i bind with /etc/hosts.deny? |
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| 12:03.24 | Knaldgas | Just upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie, and dnsmasq does not work right anymore. I started dnsmasq -qd which seems to forward dns requests, but "dig debian.org" returns zero answers. running "dig debian.org @8.8.8.8" returns 5 answers |
| 12:03.39 | Knaldgas | Any idea of what has gone wrong for me? |
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| 12:04.58 | altyr | dryblow: your vnc server might have a -localhost parameter |
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| 12:06.11 | Knaldgas | vnc? |
| 12:06.26 | Knaldgas | Oh sorry, not for me... |
| 12:06.28 | dryblow | I use tightvncserver and I can't find this option form man |
| 12:06.37 | dryblow | fromé |
| 12:06.37 | dryblow | from* |
| 12:08.50 | spektrum_ | \o/ |
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| 12:10.50 | Knaldgas | dig is returning REFUSED !? |
| 12:11.15 | altyr | dryblow: the tightvncserver command is just a wrapper for Xvnc. from the man page: "You can add Xvnc options at the command line. They will be added to the invocation of Xvnc without changes." |
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| 12:17.30 | karlpinc | Knaldgas: Read the readme.debian. Check the logs. |
| 12:17.34 | karlpinc | !tell Knaldgas about readme.debian |
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| 12:27.16 | Knaldgas | karlpinc: Thanks for the pointer - I have read through README.Debian, but found nothing related to my problem (as far as I can see), but I have probably missed something... |
| 12:28.22 | dryblow | Ok i understat how can start vncserver for localhost, i need too a vlan for routing it to ssh outgoing? |
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| 12:36.16 | Walakea | when hibernate my laptop, then after wake up shell tells me this: https://paste.debian.net/682321/ |
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| 12:36.43 | altyr | dryblow: no. see e.g. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/tunneling-vnc-connections-over-ssh-howto.html |
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| 12:38.09 | dryblow | altyr, I know this tunneling client-side, if I block outgoing vnc from server I can't connect with this. |
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| 12:38.48 | dryblow | I read from man Xtightvnc -localhost is userful with a loopback interface |
| 12:39.13 | dryblow | But with a loopback i can't reach from ssh connection |
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| 12:42.53 | altyr | uh, that shouldn't be the case. but then again it has been a while since i last used vnc |
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| 12:44.32 | dryblow | altyr, I'm sorry, my english is the true problem for misunderstanding :/ |
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| 12:49.12 | glaucom | hi all :) |
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| 12:53.26 | wewlad | hello debs, sorry for a bit non-debian question, but I don't know where else to ask this: there are some gnu utils compiled for windows (http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/coreutils.html) but is there the same but under more free license like BSD or WTFPL? |
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| 12:57.19 | Knaldgas | karlpinc: If you have the slightest hint, please let me know - I'm completely in the dark here. I haven't found anything useful on google either :( |
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| 12:57.50 | TomTomTosch | wewlad: what do you mean, more free license? is GPL not compatible with whatever you are doing? |
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| 12:58.32 | wewlad | TomTomTosch: disregard the comment about more free, I'm not to start a holy war, I just want a BSD/WTFPL cat.exe :( |
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| 12:59.01 | TomTomTosch | wewlad: and you should ask the windows channel if there are more tools like core utils for windows. |
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| 12:59.32 | TomTomTosch | wewlad: not sure what it has to do with a holy war, just wanted to understand what you meant. |
| 13:00.30 | wewlad | TomTomTosch: as far as I understand licenses (never read them because it's useless): GPL requires you to always share your code, while BSD/WTFPL doesn't require you to do so |
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| 13:01.14 | bumbar_ | "runsv not running", anyone knows how to fix this? |
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| 13:04.01 | TomTomTosch | wewlad: gpl does not force to publish, if that is what you meant. but whatever, this ot here. |
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| 13:04.52 | wewlad | TomTomTosch: afaik it does, that's why sony play station and macos and lots of others used freebsd as the base for their oses, not linux |
| 13:05.47 | wewlad | afaik I can't use gnu gpl components in my closed-source software |
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| 13:08.09 | TomTomTosch | it has copyleft. but you should ask the windows channel. |
| 13:08.26 | wewlad | I asked, got silence in reply |
| 13:08.41 | thebwt | is there a way to install a debian package and have it not run it's postinst? |
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| 13:11.32 | spektrum_ | thebwt: unpack the *.deb and add an "exit 0" into the top of the postinst - repack and install it. |
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| 13:11.47 | thebwt | lol, thanks spektrum_ |
| 13:12.56 | spektrum_ | thebwt: np |
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| 13:13.27 | jeddi | thebwt: what problem are you trying to fix? |
| 13:13.52 | thebwt | the systemd initialization , it's a very niche problem that I can't give details on beyond that :/ |
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| 13:14.31 | thebwt | https://major.io/2016/05/05/preventing-ubuntu-16-04-starting-daemons-package-installed/ does that better actually |
| 13:14.38 | thebwt | so i think this is the angle I'll approach |
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| 13:16.31 | spektrum_ | thebwt: if this means to prevent starting a service after a successful install, then you should look into your policy-rc.d. :-) |
| 13:16.53 | thebwt | yep, but also nuking some premade systemd masks |
| 13:17.04 | wewlad | The GNU General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs. |
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| 13:17.16 | abrotman | Eh, yes it does |
| 13:17.29 | wewlad | that's why it's not a free license (in fact it is a virus one) |
| 13:17.39 | spektrum_ | well .. probably nuking systemd would be the better choice :o) |
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| 13:18.53 | thebwt | spektrum_: nah, I love my .service files :p Thanks for the input everyone |
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| 13:19.20 | spektrum_ | thebwt: :-) |
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| 13:23.28 | lowin | So, in the last month I had this super annoying kde bug that tooltips in gtk programs used a black font on dark background.. It has been magically fixed since yesterday, And I haven't updated for a few weeks |
| 13:23.32 | lowin | how? |
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| 13:33.22 | dionysus69 | what can I do to reset sources? |
| 13:33.44 | dionysus69 | when I do apt-get update I get error for google webmaker source |
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| 13:34.42 | dionysus69 | W: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/webdesigner/deb/dists/stable/Release Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
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| 13:38.31 | karlpinc | !tell dionysus69 about sources.list |
| 13:38.40 | dionysus69 | I know about that file |
| 13:38.45 | dionysus69 | but I dont have any google lines in it |
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| 13:39.38 | karlpinc | dionysus69: You should really not have any non-debian lines in it. |
| 13:39.45 | TomTomTosch | dionysus69: google inserts their stuff in sources.list.d/ recently i386 support stopped for lots of google software. |
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| 13:40.05 | dionysus69 | ok so how do I remove it so I dont get that error |
| 13:40.09 | dionysus69 | do I delete that dir ? |
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| 13:40.16 | dionysus69 | will it regenerate? |
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| 13:41.00 | karlpinc | dionysus69: Delete the content instead of the dir. |
| 13:41.08 | TomTomTosch | dionysus69: inserting [arch=amd64] after the word 'deb' should make it stop complaining. if you are on an amd64 system that is. |
| 13:41.24 | dionysus69 | ok I guess I ll just remove google-webdesigner.list file |
| 13:41.37 | dionysus69 | ye I am on amd64 |
| 13:41.57 | TomTomTosch | dionysus69: if you remove that file you will get no updates for webdesigner |
| 13:42.13 | dionysus69 | TomTomTosch: no problem I deleted it anyway |
| 13:42.25 | dionysus69 | thanks all :D I didnt know about that dir :) |
| 13:43.18 | dionysus69 | though I am getting this error anyway now |
| 13:43.19 | dionysus69 | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 13:43.19 | dionysus69 | 1397BC53640DB551 |
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| 13:44.19 | dionysus69 | stackexchange tells me to install debian-keyring while I already installed debian-archive-keyring |
| 13:44.37 | dionysus69 | but it wants to download lots of packages |
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| 13:45.10 | TomTomTosch | dionysus69: apt-cache policy to paste.debian.net please. |
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| 13:46.50 | dionysus69 | TomTomTosch: http://paste.debian.net/682362/ |
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| 13:47.38 | TomTomTosch | !tell dionysus69 about frankendebian |
| 13:47.44 | le_pig | lol |
| 13:47.53 | dionysus69 | wtf lol |
| 13:47.58 | karlpinc | !tell dionysus69 about don't break debian |
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| 13:48.14 | karlpinc | (That's a slightly more useful factoid. :) |
| 13:48.14 | le_pig | dionysus69: steel yourself |
| 13:48.31 | TomTomTosch | dionysus69: you are not meant to install ubuntu packages on debian. you are missing the ubuntu keyring. that's what he complains about. |
| 13:48.53 | dionysus69 | which ubuntu package do I have>? |
| 13:48.54 | dionysus69 | haha |
| 13:49.04 | dionysus69 | oh heroku |
| 13:49.17 | TomTomTosch | "http://repo.steampowered.com/steam/ precise/steam i386 Packages" |
| 13:49.37 | TomTomTosch | i don't know a "precise" debian version. |
| 13:50.48 | dionysus69 | = ) |
| 13:51.15 | dionysus69 | so what do you suggest I uninstall steam :| I dont even play but sometimes its nice to have an option to :D |
| 13:52.04 | TomTomTosch | dionysus69: steam is packaged for debian. you should probably read the debian wiki first if you are looking for something. |
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| 13:53.35 | dionysus69 | ok ok thanks! |
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| 13:56.47 | dionysus69 | ok so I removed and installed debian repo steam |
| 13:56.57 | dionysus69 | but cache policy still shows the precise version |
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| 13:57.45 | dionysus69 | apt-get clean didnt help |
| 13:58.06 | TomTomTosch | dionysus69: apt-cache policy shows all sources it has indexed. you either still have the ubuntu line in your sources or didn't do an apt-get update. |
| 13:59.21 | dionysus69 | ye I had both of those |
| 14:00.05 | TomTomTosch | dionysus69: removing the sources does not undo the damage though. can't really help you with that. that's why the frankendebian factoid talks about unsupportable. |
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| 14:00.33 | dionysus69 | my debian is quite healthy comon |
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| 14:01.47 | TomTomTosch | dionysus69: you might want to do a aptitude search '~o' to see installed packages that are left without sources and remove things that shouldn't be there. |
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| 14:04.49 | dionysus69 | um |
| 14:05.06 | dionysus69 | it gave me some output, how do I know which one is a leftover |
| 14:06.37 | dionysus69 | and keys are deleted this way I suppose correct? apt-key del 2048R/0F1B0520 ? |
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| 14:14.07 | doh | Hi. Im trying to reinstall debian 8 from netinstall from this morning, more than 5 hours ago :/ |
| 14:14.29 | doh | Install system base does fail at this point: debootstrap in-target: E: Se necesita eliminar paquetes pero esta desactivada |
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| 14:16.46 | TomTomTosch | !es |
| 14:16.46 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 14:16.53 | doh | base-installer, warning: attempting to install to unclean target |
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| 14:17.04 | doh | Just copied message |
| 14:17.12 | doh | I can translate it |
| 14:17.28 | doh | The install may be in spanish, but im in the english forum |
| 14:17.42 | doh | TomTomTosch, can u help me? |
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| 14:18.15 | doh | it is you a bot? |
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| 14:18.58 | TomTomTosch | i don't understand spanish so i have no idea what that error says. |
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| 14:19.32 | doh | I pasted it here. base-installer, warning: attempting to install to unclean target |
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| 14:21.13 | doh | TomTomTosch, seems more about your intents than your language skills. |
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| 14:25.55 | TomTomTosch | hard for me to help you, can't look through spanish docs to see what that error msg means. you will have to ask the spanish channel or wait for someone who has a better idea. |
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| 14:34.42 | DammitJim | guys, what log should I look at? It seems I have a server in production that was offline for about 2 minutes |
| 14:34.52 | DammitJim | VMWare shows 0 activity on that server during that period of time |
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| 14:42.33 | ChrisH | DammitJim: a) define offline. What did you check? b) check dmesg, content in /var/log |
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| 14:43.21 | DammitJim | ChrisH, so, I'm looking at VMWare and the interface's statistics are showing N/A instead of 0kbps |
| 14:43.30 | DammitJim | dmesg didn't seem to have anything useful |
| 14:43.44 | DammitJim | especially since it doesn't have a time stamp |
| 14:44.13 | DammitJim | is there a way to see timestamps in stuff like this? |
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| 14:45.03 | winem_ | dmesg -T prints the timestamp in a human-readable (or more human friendly) format |
| 14:45.09 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 14:45.36 | DammitJim | oh crap... this is not a Debian server |
| 14:45.37 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 15:27.18 | dryden | I put back a Debian 8 system running on a VPS after changing the VPS. I changed nothing to the system that I know. Now networking doesn't come up by default. It may be that upgrades botched this before I had rebooted. |
| 15:27.37 | dryden | I have to run ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient eth0 |
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| 15:27.40 | dryden | before it will work. |
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| 15:28.44 | dryden | what could be the matter? |
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| 15:30.36 | dryden | networkmanager doesn't run and it is supposed to just use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:30.49 | brigo | dryden, check the logs for more info |
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| 15:32.31 | dryden | brigo: in dmesg there is no mention of the ethernet device |
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| 15:32.48 | dryden | brigo: the driver gets loaded though but I don't see anything about it. |
| 15:32.57 | dryden | brigo: eth0 is not visible in ifconfig until I up it. |
| 15:34.06 | dryden | also on another note what is the preferred way to start openvpn when networking goes up, on a default (or mentioned) openvpn script config file? |
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| 15:35.25 | brigo | dryden, i think openvpn has it own daemon that control that. |
| 15:35.40 | brigo | dryden, are you using /etc/network/interface? |
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| 15:39.45 | dryden | brigo: yes it is simply configured in interfaces with eth0 inet dhcp or something. |
| 15:40.53 | dryden | brigo: { ifdown --force eth0; ifup --force eth0; } does not restart the dhcp as well. |
| 15:40.56 | dryden | now* |
| 15:40.58 | brigo | dryden, then i am clueless. Check the networking service. |
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| 15:42.10 | ChrisH | dryden: check ifconfig -a to confirm the Interface is the expected one. If yes check using ethtool for a Link and dmesg is allways a good starting point |
| 15:42.38 | dryden | I have networking I just need to start it manually. |
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| 15:48.59 | iamwhoiam | hello people. I am interested in package management in debian (apt, dpkg etc), mainly the source of unsound installations (is it because of the heuristics used?) and usage of sat-solvers (at which point are they used and why?). I have read the Burrows "modelling and Resolving SOftware dependencies" (plus, many many webpages), where SAT is used only as a proof for the NP-completness of resolving dependencies, but for example it mentions |
| 15:48.59 | iamwhoiam | that they use best-first search over a list of (possible partial) solutions - i suppose he means the currently open nodes of the search tree... anyway, you get the idea of my questions. Do you know any source of info that explains everything in detail? Or perhaps someone I should talk about this (like, who is the current developer of apt/dpkg?)? |
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| 15:50.43 | awwal | How to prevent foo pkg which have a .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart from being loaded/executed when login in X? |
| 15:51.01 | dryden | ChrisH: service networking restart apparently bugs, and halts. But ifdown; ifup works. |
| 15:51.09 | awwal | remove it's .desktop file in xdg autostart? |
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| 15:53.20 | ChrisH | dryden: Debian 8 should have systemctl instead of service... check systemctl status networking.service |
| 15:54.06 | dryden | that doesn't make a difference right |
| 15:54.17 | dryden | the one of a front for the other |
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| 15:54.33 | dryden | I mean don't bullshit me. |
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| 15:55.12 | dryden | exact same behaviour, I even believe it enough to test it ;-). |
| 15:55.24 | dryden | *is a front* |
| 15:55.40 | themill | "restart networking" is a pretty meaningless thing; don't do it |
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| 15:55.51 | dryden | why is that meaningless? |
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| 15:56.08 | dryden | how else to get interfaces down and up. |
| 15:56.08 | ChrisH | dryden: What does systemctl status shows after reboot? |
| 15:56.08 | themill | it's not a daemon |
| 15:56.14 | dryden | so? |
| 15:56.25 | dryden | ChrisH: doesn't matter. |
| 15:56.28 | themill | there's nothing running; there's nothing to stop; nothing to start |
| 15:56.34 | dryden | so? |
| 15:56.40 | dryden | how can it then kill my network link? |
| 15:56.50 | dryden | maybe it does something you know. |
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| 15:57.45 | dryden | I mean you people think you know everything but you offer nothing. |
| 15:58.26 | themill | Feel free to put away the attitude and ask questions or ask for clarification. |
| 15:58.45 | dryden | and it's so warm.... |
| 15:59.03 | dryden | I am asking questions but you are wasting my time with nonsensical answers and questions here. |
| 15:59.18 | dryden | maybe you should be putting away the attitude of knowing everything constantly and directing people to trodden paths that don't work. |
| 15:59.20 | themill | ... |
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| 16:00.50 | awwal | dryden, support here is voluntary. people TRY to help. if you want something more expert check https://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
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| 16:01.21 | Dhraakellian | so there's a package (angband) that I want to install on my server for use with its ncurses interface, but it depends on X11 for its graphical interface, and I don't want to pull that in on a largely headless box. I think I've found places where I can remove the dependencies and pass --disable-x11 to its configure script, but I can't seem to find the appropriate way to build a .deb with those changes included |
| 16:01.25 | dryden | then don't ask me to do stuff you know I must have already done a million times. |
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| 16:01.43 | Dhraakellian | any ideas or pointers to a particular set of documentation that would be most relevant? |
| 16:02.04 | themill | dryden: if you don't want to cooperate with people trying to help you, you're in the wrong place |
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| 16:06.06 | teclo- | fcharton: bonsoir, cocasse ton nom de domaine... "cacademi.cergy.eisti.fr" ;) |
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| 16:29.16 | asker_ | Hello, I was thinking in making a distro. But I don't want the package manager, I just want to release versions without the possibility of installing apps through the package manager, do you know how to remove it? |
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| 16:32.12 | jmcnaught | asker_: sounds more like a ##linux question than a #debian question |
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| 16:32.43 | asker_ | The package manager is from Debian |
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| 16:34.01 | jmcnaught | asker_: this channel only supports Debian, not distros based on it |
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| 16:35.43 | asker_ | So the channel supports questions like how to install something on Debian but not uninstalling a core component of it? It doesn't see like free software philosophy |
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| 16:38.06 | jmcnaught | asker_: well you're asking how to make a distro. you can use dpkg to remove packages like aptitude and apt, not sure if removing dpkg with dpkg will work. this will essentially break the system and prevent security updates |
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| 16:38.56 | jmcnaught | asker_: making it so only users with admin access (in the form of knowing root password, or being in the sudo group) can install packages |
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| 16:40.22 | asker_ | Ok thank you |
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| 16:48.02 | wtiger | Hello folks! |
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| 16:48.52 | wtiger | is there a point in buying skylake cpu if I plan to run debian on it? |
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| 16:52.34 | bazhang | wanting a faster cpu? |
| 16:52.37 | jhutchins | wtiger: As opposed to leasing it? |
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| 16:53.01 | greycat | What are your other choices? |
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| 16:53.18 | wtiger | jhutchins: .. |
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| 16:54.03 | wtiger | I have an aging macbook pro, want to replace it with a skylake laptop(if possible) |
| 16:54.18 | wtiger | and run debian on it ... |
| 16:56.02 | jmcnaught | wtiger: from what i understand not just Debian has problems with skylake mobile, even Windows does. I would definitely do a lot more research before purchasing, or just get something previous generation. |
| 16:56.07 | bazhang | wtiger, whats the actual issue |
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| 16:56.23 | wtiger | jmcnaught: ok.. |
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| 16:56.57 | jmcnaught | wtiger: for example http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html a story i read a few weeks ago |
| 16:59.21 | jmcnaught | supporting the newest hardware is not one of Debian's strengths, but it works great on stuff that is a year or two old. Some people use newer kernels from backports, but that's not always going to help with GPU driver issues for example |
| 16:59.44 | wtiger | jmcnaught: certainly, I understand |
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| 17:19.04 | tomnor | Where should I dump some text not to paste it here -- any suggestion (a dir listing) |
| 17:19.31 | somiaj | tomnor: paste.debian.net |
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| 17:22.44 | tomnor | I am wondering why this font doesn't "take" paste.debian.net/682446 |
| 17:23.00 | tomnor | I have put it there and run fc-cache |
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| 17:27.36 | Delf | Trying to get DisplayLink working. I get stuck here http://paste.debian.net/682447/ |
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| 17:28.58 | Delf | Any clues? |
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| 17:30.25 | tomnor | With the font not "taking" I mean that inkscape cannot find it plus the |
| 17:30.25 | tomnor | output of fc-cache indicate nothing was cached, see http://paste.debian.net/682449 |
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| 18:03.29 | qqz | It would be very nice if debian .ISO-s booted and installed fromout of a hdd-partition like f.i. /dev/sda1 |
| 18:03.54 | qqz | however it always writes isolinux-bin missing or corrupt |
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| 18:04.16 | qqz | does anyone know here what it would take to fix that? |
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| 18:04.48 | qqz | I have a TrekStor datastation picco which is a SSD with read-only switch |
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| 18:05.15 | qqz | it would be great if I could host Linux - iso-s on individual partitions. |
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| 18:07.54 | qqz | it should not be hard to let the installer probe hdd partitions in addition to CDs |
| 18:08.06 | qqz | .... but I do not know how a CD-iso boots |
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| 18:09.06 | debianuser_ | after installing peper flash as per wiki instructions, iam getting this http://shrani.si/f/1P/k7/3ny8yVd8/flash.png, any ideas? |
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| 18:10.06 | jmcnaught | qqz: Debian ISOs are hybrid images that have a partition table on them. This is why the install manual says to copy the image to a block device, not a partition (eg cp debian.iso /dev/sdx) |
| 18:10.07 | debianuser_ | !flash |
| 18:10.07 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 18:10.45 | qqz | jmcnaught: hmmm; and kpartx, could it help? |
| 18:11.19 | qqz | jmcnaught: how to access the individual partitions on a CDrom / BD ?! |
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| 18:13.05 | qqz | jmcnaught: unfortunately I need many install - images of different arches and also of derived debian distros - so having an own USB stick for each one would be no good solution (apart from the fact that ro-USB-sticks are only scarcely available and far slower than an individual SSD) |
| 18:13.13 | jmcnaught | qqz: i don't know what using kpartx would do the debian installer ISO. I do know that some utilities like unetbootin are known to mangle it. What is your goal exactly? Are you trying to make a universal multi-distro installer disk or something? |
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| 18:14.26 | qqz | jmcnaught: my goal is to dd a debian BD-DL iso into a 50GB logical partition and then boot and install from that by chainloading it. |
| 18:14.46 | axc1298 | does anyone else have the issue where kodi in debian can't display non-latin character subtitles |
| 18:14.51 | axc1298 | even though other applications can |
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| 18:15.31 | qqz | the SSD + ro-switch is here; but I still lack the necessary provisions to take advantage of it |
| 18:16.20 | qqz | yes; it could be thought of a universal multi-installer disk. |
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| 18:18.34 | qqz | unetbootin: does it allow logical partitions as targets? |
| 18:18.34 | jmcnaught | qqz: i don't think the debian installer ISOs were made with that in mind |
| 18:19.11 | jmcnaught | !unetbootin |
| 18:19.11 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 18:19.49 | jmcnaught | a binder of CD-Rs would be simpler if you have a USB optical drive |
| 18:19.49 | qqz | jmcnaught: well; for the bootloader I could directly load the linux and initrd from that partition and then give an appropriate root=parameter ... |
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| 18:20.54 | qqz | hmm; optical drives are limited in media size and very slow; |
| 18:21.13 | qqz | I would really appreciate some provision for parition-booting such images |
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| 18:21.33 | qqz | as I do not want to carry a bundle of DVDs / BDs with me all the time |
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| 18:21.44 | qqz | imagine how praactical and pleasurable that would be |
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| 18:22.07 | jmcnaught | qqz: how many installs are you planning on doing with this disk anyways? |
| 18:22.37 | qqz | several installs; well counting that; I haven`t done it yet |
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| 18:23.09 | jmcnaught | maybe put this plan on hold and just use a handful of USB sticks until the need is really there |
| 18:23.49 | qqz | I know there is also the possibilty to install via mini-USB and NFS but that would not far be as good as a single drive ... |
| 18:24.00 | qqz | yes perhaps currently the only solution |
| 18:24.13 | qqz | another solution I have been thinking about is: |
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| 18:25.09 | qqz | make my individual ro-booting Debian installation on that disk by modifying debian manually and either install via qemu-kvm or debbootstrap from that partition |
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| 18:25.31 | qqz | debootstrap would of course not work for other distros |
| 18:25.40 | jmcnaught | sounds overengineerd to me |
| 18:26.10 | qqz | yes; certainly; a ro-SSD capable installer would for sure be the better solution |
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| 18:26.32 | jmcnaught | qqz: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s04.html.en#idp71047712 and https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s04.html.en |
| 18:27.25 | jmcnaught | or just having two or three USB sticks, not sure why read-only is such a strong requirement. You could even just prepare a fresh USB installer stick when you leave in the morning |
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| 18:29.48 | qqz | well; the ro-feature unburdens from the burden of re-verifying or checksuming the stick in case of doubt - which can be somewhat tricky as you would need a ro-medium like a CD for that. |
| 18:30.41 | jmcnaught | qqz: would PXE netboot for the installer be an option for your mysterious plans? |
| 18:32.24 | qqz | my plans are so mysterious because I also want to set up offline-computers with it where nfs would hardly be a good solutions |
| 18:32.32 | qqz | and still you need a stick for nfs |
| 18:32.49 | qqz | an extra stick for each distro which supports it |
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| 18:33.43 | qqz | if Debian did some pioneering work on making the installation HDD/SSD paraititon bootable other distros would soon accomodate to support this booting mode as well; I believe |
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| 18:34.02 | n-iCe | Hello, is there a default Debian DE? |
| 18:34.10 | n-iCe | is it gnome? |
| 18:34.10 | qqz | jmcnaught: well; I will see the links you have given me first ... |
| 18:34.24 | Krakakanok | yo can install the de you want |
| 18:34.29 | greycat | There isn't a default per se. |
| 18:34.38 | TomTomTosch | n-iCe: the installer lets you select but gnome is the default selection. |
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| 18:35.12 | n-iCe | TomTomTosch: ok, so actually the suitable DE for Debian is gnome. |
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| 18:35.14 | Krakakanok | later, was gnome the default, if i remember well |
| 18:35.19 | qqz | booting multiple ISOs from SSD would to my mind be the most modern fast and handy approach to install from for the future (if I may advertise that idea a bit) |
| 18:35.42 | n-iCe | TomTomTosch: I mean, the best DE for Debian would be gnome, since is the default one, right. |
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| 18:35.45 | qqz | and with a ro-SSD that approach wouold be equal in functionality and safety |
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| 18:35.55 | TomTomTosch | n-iCe: the suitable DE for Debian is what you like most. |
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| 18:36.10 | greycat | There is no default DE per se. |
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| 18:36.14 | n-iCe | oh |
| 18:36.18 | greycat | Many people (like me) use none at all. |
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| 18:37.26 | TomTomTosch | i select no DE at installation and install a tiling WM right after. you can use what you like, that's the idea. |
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| 18:38.12 | n-iCe | I get it |
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| 18:40.36 | Dhraakellian | speaking of DEs, I should check to see what version of KDE/plasma debian ships |
| 18:41.09 | n-iCe | I'm deciding which DE use. |
| 18:41.41 | Dhraakellian | QML/Qtscript stuff with Qt5 apparently doesn't understand readline-style ctrl+U |
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| 18:43.26 | axc1298 | looking forward to trying out lxqt in debian 9 |
| 18:43.29 | n-iCe | would you guys say openbox is the most lightweight De out there? |
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| 18:44.40 | greycat | When you start scraping the bottom of the barrel there will usually be another layer underneath. So, maybe? Who knows? Who cares? If you like it, use it, even if there's another one that's 1% leaner. |
| 18:44.59 | jmcnaught | n-iCe: i really like GNOME, and think it's a good option for people that don't want to set a lot of stuff up by hand. lots of stuff just works. You can also have more than one DE/WM installed at a time |
| 18:45.25 | greycat | Try them all and use whatever you hate least. |
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| 18:49.49 | abrotman | isn't sure he'd call Openbox a DE |
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| 18:50.26 | dax | i wouldn't. it's a window manager. something like LXDE would be a related DE |
| 18:51.02 | n-iCe | oh |
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| 18:56.09 | pecg | Hello. What is the correct way to reinstall a package along with its default settings? |
| 18:56.38 | pecg | I've tried with: 'apt-get --reinstall install package-name' |
| 18:56.44 | pecg | And is not working |
| 18:56.59 | pecg | By accident I deleted default files on /etc for nginx |
| 18:57.00 | greycat | To get the default configs back you usually end up needing to purge the package. |
| 18:57.22 | pecg | I already did: 'apt-get purge nginx' |
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| 18:57.40 | backvelder | FREENODE STAFF WANT TO CONTROL ALL ASPECTS AND MEMBERS OF YOUR OWN PROJECT AS THEIR TERMS OF SERVICE. masetrax ggherdov HicksD Pucilowski littlebear Brutix_ saul dasj catsup TechChristoph__ kitallis Awesomecase Sthebig wooden_ k0nsl cmhobbs rooty dayten HelloAtMega Snakes anona Liam` masonhau- luckman212 _tremo sjk roguelazer tcpman_ JohnDoh Sir_Designer scoopex hiya mlq PhonicUK towa jback mrlase tinyhippo Downer test1 |
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| 18:57.51 | describeth | FREENODE STAFF WANT TO CONTROL ALL ASPECTS AND MEMBERS OF YOUR OWN PROJECT AS THEIR TERMS OF SERVICE. madprops aypea[1] blackwell CurryWurst bugzbunny SolSoCoG dgncn e stackfault xcpop_ jeddi CustosL1m3n Cpuroast BeamWatcher dynek ColtonDRG Esya gonyere nicorikken Zyferus bipolar sepi l3archos kingkong|Q Junaos bool_ Phanes Tulah steri aindilis Iiiak cruncher sidmo ancky mixomathoze chizbang TiCPU wolfbyte eki LucaTM |
| 18:57.51 | describeth | FREENODE STAFF HAVE NO STAKE IN THE FOSS COMMUNITY THEY ARE TRYING TO CONTROL LIKE FASCISTS. amgarching THX1138 komugi jback thuk tinyhippo slicepaperwords Lowl3v3l himiko JPT High_Priest Malvo zwox meti GhostInTheShell DDR mixomathoze misiek200m zerotri jeddi jgornick zamba k0nsl wredny karstensrage KeithGS ix007 Kamilion sc_ sonOfRa NiLon towo` cluelessperson smidlers CEnnis91 magyar j` d1b `ryban ChunkzZ |
| 18:57.51 | mpmc | I love you too. |
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| 18:58.24 | Flynnn | What is FOSS? |
| 18:58.31 | Cpuroast | really? |
| 18:58.34 | Flynnn | lol |
| 18:58.37 | ExoUNX | lol |
| 18:58.38 | Flynnn | yeah, actually, I am curious |
| 18:58.42 | ExoUNX | google FOSS |
| 18:58.42 | greycat | Free/Open Source Software |
| 18:58.47 | Flynnn | defeq |
| 18:58.49 | ExoUNX | @google FOSS |
| 18:58.51 | nagetier | google? |
| 18:58.51 | ExoUNX | aww |
| 18:58.55 | ExoUNX | no google bot? |
| 18:58.59 | Mathisen | anone know if you can turn off nick higlight for specific channel i hexchat = |
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| 18:59.05 | greycat | whirr click Free/Open Source Software click click whirr |
| 18:59.11 | ckeltz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software |
| 18:59.23 | Flynnn | Believe it or not, I did google it |
| 18:59.25 | ExoUNX | what's open source? |
| 18:59.31 | CEnnis91 | what's software? |
| 19:00.03 | Flynnn | I was blinded by copious references to FOSSweb, FOSS Maritime COmpany and FOSS Swim School |
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| 19:07.46 | jim | hmm? |
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| 19:26.17 | jaggz | what's the linux nvidia support channel? I'm trying to install nvidia-smi (from backports), but am getting "is not going to be installed" on its dependencies |
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| 19:26.50 | greycat | dpkg nvidia installer |
| 19:26.50 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). More specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel-related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. See also <why nvidia-installer sucks>, <remove nvidia-installer>. |
| 19:27.38 | jaggz | for instance, I have nvidia-driver and am trying to install nvidia-smi (352.79-1~bpo8+1), but it says things like: "Depends: libnvidia-ml1 (= 340.96-1) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 19:27.47 | jmcnaught | jaggz: make a paste of the command you used and the output. |
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| 19:28.44 | jaggz | jmcnaught, http://paste.debian.net/682491/ |
| 19:29.45 | greycat | "smi" does not appear anywhere on http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 19:30.02 | jaggz | greycat, yeah I used to use their .bin installer, now I'm using packages. I haven't used a "nvidia-installer" yet though -- just been using the non-free packages. |
| 19:30.19 | jaggz | greycat, hrm.. https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=nvidia-smi&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 19:30.31 | jmcnaught | jaggz: are you already using nvidia from backports? if so, did you try "apt-get -t jessie-backports install nvidia-smi" ? |
| 19:30.59 | greycat | Oh, there is actually a debian package by that name? Huh. |
| 19:31.12 | jaggz | jmcnaught, no I haven't tried that.. oops. |
| 19:31.14 | greycat | I have no idea what it is, just that it's not mentioned on the page dpkg said to use. |
| 19:31.45 | jaggz | I didn't specify backports myself here. Possibly originally I used aptitude to select it, but it was a while ago |
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| 19:31.57 | greycat | The page says 340.96 comes from wheezy-backports (!) |
| 19:32.21 | jaggz | jmcnaught, that was all it needed.. |
| 19:32.26 | jaggz | greycat, is that surprising? |
| 19:32.30 | jaggz | 340 is pretty old |
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| 19:32.52 | jaggz | oh nice, nvidia-smi now shows which processes are using the gpu.. that's really cool |
| 19:33.04 | greycat | Is it surprising that you have wheezy-backports things on a system where you're using jessie-backports? A bit alarming, yes. |
| 19:33.05 | wutf | is uscan run automatically for all packages with watch files? |
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| 19:33.33 | jmcnaught | greycat: 340.96-1 is also in jessie/non-free |
| 19:33.48 | jaggz | damn.. still getting "CheckCudaDevice: no CUDA-capable device is detected" |
| 19:34.03 | greycat | Oh, just not mentioned in the table of contents on that wiki page. |
| 19:34.25 | BenderRodriguez | who dinged me |
| 19:34.27 | BenderRodriguez | oh |
| 19:34.30 | BenderRodriguez | the bleeding heart RMS followers |
| 19:34.38 | jaggz | greycat, wait.. my paste says I'm using wheezy-backports? |
| 19:34.44 | jmcnaught | last i looked that page also had helpful instructions on using the installer and steam repos |
| 19:34.46 | greycat | Please stop discussing the spam here. Take it to #debian-offtopic. |
| 19:34.48 | jaggz | BenderRodriguez, shhhh |
| 19:34.54 | BenderRodriguez | jaggz: :p |
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| 19:36.39 | axc1298 | can the vlc in debian play x265 hvec videos? |
| 19:37.06 | greycat | What happened when you tried? |
| 19:37.28 | axc1298 | i haven't tried yet. i wanted to know before i chose this format instead of another |
| 19:37.58 | jaggz | axc1298, good question.. since I noticed an x265 package went away when I switched from deb-multimedia to official debian packages |
| 19:38.28 | jaggz | axc1298, test it and let me know :) |
| 19:38.44 | jaggz | hey my nvidia-cuda-toolkit was not coming from backports |
| 19:39.16 | axc1298 | jaggz: i might pick x254 just to so i don't waste bandwidth for nothing |
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| 19:39.20 | axc1298 | *so |
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| 19:39.22 | jaggz | is there some clean way to get my packages to update to the backports versions (without hand-specifying individual packages)? |
| 19:39.32 | jaggz | maybe it was x264 that went away |
| 19:39.40 | greycat | jaggz: No. |
| 19:40.00 | greycat | If you want to mass-upgrade a shitload of packages to non-stable, just run testing. |
| 19:40.04 | axc1298 | x264 definitely works. i have default debian 8 repos |
| 19:40.59 | greycat | jessie-backports is for when you want a stable system "except this ONE thing" |
| 19:41.18 | jaggz | I'm more and more tempted to move to testing |
| 19:41.21 | greycat | usually for a video driver or a kernel or something else hardware-ish |
| 19:41.37 | jaggz | just have such little time to do much sysadmin work nowadays... too many projects to work on |
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| 19:42.13 | jmcnaught | jaggz: testing has its own caveats, and you'll probably spend more time fixing your computer than you would on stable with a couple of backports |
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| 19:42.35 | teraflops | I like vp8 for putting video in the Web |
| 19:42.36 | jaggz | okay.. I'll stick with stable+bpo :) thanks |
| 19:42.44 | jaggz | I can feel more at peace and less like a traitor |
| 19:43.06 | pecg | So systemctl status nginx is telling me it cannot find the configuration file, after I did: apt-get purge nginx && apt-get install nginx |
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| 19:43.32 | greycat | it's probably coming from some other nginx-* package, then |
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| 19:43.48 | greycat | e.g. nginx-common or nginx-full |
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| 19:45.11 | jaggz | reads about vp8 |
| 19:45.14 | jaggz | teraflops, interesting |
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| 19:46.00 | N3X15 | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages <- Known issue with the repos? |
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| 19:59.13 | jmcnaught | N3X15: thing to try: 1) run apt-get update again 2) use a different mirror 3) ask #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (the testing/unstable channel) if anyone has the same problem |
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| 20:00.01 | N3X15 | jmcnaught, thanks, was just wondering if someone had tripped over a cord :P |
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| 20:00.13 | unluckyone_ | Step into N3X15 kabeza ke is the brain through the nose |
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| 20:00.35 | randomdude | Hello |
| 20:00.41 | N3X15 | My meds already have my brain through my nose, so I'll pass |
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| 20:01.00 | Jdbye | someone please get rid of the spam |
| 20:01.01 | randomdude | I've a question. how can I kill every process related to an app ? |
| 20:01.13 | greycat | Please do not discuss the spam here. Take it to #debian-offtopic. |
| 20:01.35 | Jdbye | but it's not off topic, i'm about to leave because of the constant spam |
| 20:01.45 | greycat | Bye. |
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| 20:01.58 | axc1298 | randomdude: killall |
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| 20:02.04 | Jdbye | it's directly related to the channel |
| 20:02.13 | greycat | Please do not discuss the spam here. Take it to #debian-offtopic. |
| 20:02.27 | randomdude | Let's stay i've 5,10,100 instances of an app running, what command do I need to type to remove every instance of this particular app, without touching the other processes |
| 20:02.33 | markybob | Jdbye: read the actual /topic. it states "no spam talk" |
| 20:02.40 | Jdbye | :\ |
| 20:02.56 | Jdbye | fine |
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| 20:03.15 | Jdbye | i'll just go back to my usual idling |
| 20:03.33 | randomdude | axc1298: killall "what" what do I need to type after killall to only select the processes belonging to a particular app |
| 20:03.48 | mete | idling is best |
| 20:03.52 | greycat | randomdude: *WHAT* fucking app? *WHAT* process names? How do you know? |
| 20:03.59 | jmcnaught | randomdude: if the app was started by a service or init script, doing "systemctl stop app" or "service app stop" should do it. there's also pkill if it's not a service |
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| 20:04.14 | greycat | Question is stupidly vague. |
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| 20:04.27 | greycat | No answer we can possibly give will be safe. |
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| 20:06.38 | randomdude | Okey, the app is VLC. Let's say I launched 10 instances of VLC. how can I kill all of them instantly without typing all of their PIDs |
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| 20:06.59 | ExeciN | randomdude: killall vlc |
| 20:07.07 | greycat | Does VLC start its own child processes? Is that why you're asking us instead of just doing "pkill thenameofvlc"? |
| 20:07.08 | Jdbye | ^ |
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| 20:07.28 | randomdude | No, I'm starting all of the processes |
| 20:07.31 | axc1298 | randomdude: it's literally the first line in the manpage, section "NAME": "kill process by name" |
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| 20:07.43 | greycat | pkill is preferred over killall |
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| 20:07.54 | Jdbye | whatever works |
| 20:07.57 | randomdude | I did kill `pgrep vlc` but doesnt work |
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| 20:08.11 | randomdude | Also greycat you sound so agressive hahahaha |
| 20:08.13 | greycat | what is the actual NAME of the process you are starting? |
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| 20:09.09 | randomdude | I'll try killall vlc |
| 20:09.24 | ExeciN | it wont work if the name isn't vlc |
| 20:09.28 | blind | good idea, don't check what the process name is or anything. |
| 20:09.36 | greycat | I will take that as "I don't know the name of the process because I didn't type it in a terminal, I clicked something in a stupid GUI" |
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| 20:10.39 | greycat | Try "ps x" to see all of your processes if you don't even have the first clue what their names might be. Otherwise you can filter it with grep if you know parts of the name. |
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| 20:11.53 | randomdude | The command is vlc that's all |
| 20:11.55 | randomdude | No options |
| 20:12.05 | randomdude | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:12.28 | greycat | What does pgrep vlc give you? |
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| 20:15.45 | karstensrage | why does my nick keep highlighting in here |
| 20:15.55 | karstensrage | i keep getting excited something is happening with my modules |
| 20:15.56 | greycat | Please do not discuss the spam here. Take it to #debian-offtopic. |
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| 20:16.14 | karstensrage | ? |
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| 20:18.00 | jmcnaught | people need to learn how to configure their IRC clients for away mode/hilight window/logging so they don't have to keep asking why they were hilighted |
| 20:18.40 | greycat | I always just assume the people asking about the spammer *ARE* the spammer, trying to steer the conversation back to the spammer's goals. |
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| 20:20.53 | N3X15 | I have highlight enabled but I ignore it on these channels since I only get highlighted by spammers. |
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| 20:26.18 | GJdan | Is there a way to get a packaged/castrated version of letsencrypt for wheezy or jessie? |
| 20:26.49 | GJdan | I find the fact that it's free appealing, but hate the idea of a script that attempts autoelevates itself to root and selfupdate |
| 20:27.14 | markybob | GJdan: it's in jessie-backports |
| 20:27.32 | GJdan | ah k |
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| 20:28.21 | GJdan | that's a start, thanks :) |
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| 20:50.01 | jmcnaught | qqz: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ but i strongly suggest you read the whole install manual because the questions you've been asking are covered in it. Chapter 4 for example: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04.html.en |
| 20:51.03 | qqz | ok; install.amd; thx. |
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| 20:54.55 | qqz | ... had somehow erred in applying the find command; otherwise I would have found it before. |
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| 21:24.28 | Cyclonit | Can anyone tell me whats wrong with this interfaces config? http://paste.debian.net/682549/ The interface is not being loaded and I don't see any error output |
| 21:24.41 | N3X15 | What's the proper channel to thank the MariaDB folks for managing to make a .deb upgrade script that literally nuked all of my database without warning? |
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| 21:25.16 | Cyclonit | N3X15: #maria |
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| 21:25.39 | N3X15 | Thank you. |
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| 21:28.32 | Cyclonit | woops, my bad. Installed netscript by accident |
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| 21:38.25 | BinBasher | Can I install xen in jessie without creating a frankendebian? |
| 21:38.51 | BinBasher | ,v xen |
| 21:38.52 | judd | No package named 'xen' was found in amd64. |
| 21:38.57 | BinBasher | :-( |
| 21:39.35 | markybob | BinBasher: it's xen-linux-system. you need to read the wiki. https://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 21:39.49 | BinBasher | thank you very much kind sir! |
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| 21:49.41 | tzica | holla, I did some bad moves I think and now when I'm trying to start nginx says nginx.serviceJob for nginx.service failed. See 'systemctl status nginx.service' and ' |
| 21:49.44 | tzica | etc etc |
| 21:49.53 | tzica | I can start over but how |
| 21:50.00 | teraflops | holla? |
| 21:50.06 | tzica | reinstalling does not bring config files |
| 21:52.05 | markybob | !confmiss |
| 21:52.05 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 21:52.10 | markybob | tzica: ^ |
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| 21:56.50 | jmcnaught | tzica: the conf files are probably also in the nginx-common package |
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| 22:01.31 | tzica | ty markybob :) |
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| 22:33.44 | DHowett | should one prefer debootstrap or cdebootstrap? too fine a distinction? :P |
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| 22:37.05 | markybob | DHowett: basically the difference is once is written in c. i've only used debootstrap |
| 22:37.58 | markybob | one* |
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| 22:49.11 | asterismo_l | hi people |
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| 22:49.49 | asterismo_l | is there anyrepo with open broadcast software? i need to broadcast to youtube an astronomical event using debian and ffmpeg is not even in the repos |
| 22:50.00 | asterismo_l | compiling that is really a pain |
| 22:50.08 | asterismo_l | vlc wont stream |
| 22:50.14 | asterismo_l | need help |
| 22:50.32 | markybob | asterismo_l: ffmpeg is in jessie-backports |
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| 22:51.30 | markybob | !tell asterismo_l about jessie-backports |
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| 22:53.37 | asterismo_l | markybob: thanks man |
| 22:54.01 | asterismo_l | not finding ffmpeg in repos almost give me a heart attack dude |
| 22:54.04 | asterismo_l | seriously |
| 22:54.07 | asterismo_l | lol xD |
| 22:54.42 | markybob | asterismo_l: after you add it to your sources and apt-get update just apt-get install -t jessie-backports ffmpeg |
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| 22:54.55 | markybob | smoke break |
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| 22:55.09 | drpresident | why cant i type to any channels? |
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| 22:57.01 | Jerm1_ | drpresident: Try registering with nickserv...if you havent |
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| 22:59.47 | drpresident | I did that, but the problem seems to be only an issue with ##security. I didnt see anything on their website that coulde help but it just says "Cannot send to channel" |
| 23:00.34 | asterismo_l | markybob: obs-studio wont compile in debian jessie |
| 23:00.49 | asterismo_l | ffmpeg version is not correct or something |
| 23:00.53 | asterismo_l | Could NOT find FFmpeg (missing: swresample) (found version "56.1.0") |
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| 23:02.38 | jaggz | NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 343.19, but this kernel module has the version 352.79. |
| 23:02.53 | jaggz | what client is that? I just recompiled the program I'm running (visualsfm)... |
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| 23:04.10 | jaggz | (trying to use CUDA) |
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| 23:05.51 | markybob | asterismo_l: as far as i can tell you need libswresample-dev |
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| 23:08.25 | jaggz | maybe I need to windows |
| 23:08.31 | jaggz | I mean.. maybe I need to reboot |
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| 23:13.45 | Mazhive | oke guys.. i am in a struggle.. .. would it be more easier/faster to purge postfix / dovecot and start from scratch to set up a mail server ofcourse it does depand on the problem but .. since i think it not just a small problem i would tend to start over.. |
| 23:13.57 | tharkun | When "/bin/sh -c" is executed on a debian system what shell is actually runned? |
| 23:14.27 | markybob | tharkun: sh uses dash |
| 23:14.31 | Mazhive | As i only have 2 email account.. to work with.. |
| 23:14.54 | tharkun | markybob: Thanks. |
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| 23:15.21 | markybob | Mazhive: without knowing what problem it is...it's hard to say. anyway, you can just back up your config files, do a purge (not just remove), and if something bad happens you can always restore those config files |
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| 23:17.52 | vifon | Hello. I have some problems with loading the fuse module. I've just restored a DigitalOcean Debian Jessie droplet from an image and I'm not sure what could be the problem. The kernel and the module seem to be in the same version. Could someone help? |
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| 23:18.03 | vifon | Here is the output of modprobe. http://dpaste.com/2KP60QF |
| 23:18.33 | Mazhive | hmm .. well i have changed so much that i think i getting deeper and deeper.. into this problem ..i am thinking of using my second mail server to use as a backup mail server and try to fix this one in the mean while.. |
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| 23:19.47 | markybob | Mazhive: btw there is #dovecot and #postfix where the pros are. you'll probably have better luck there |
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| 23:20.17 | pecg | Mazhive: Start over dude |
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| 23:20.45 | pecg | markybob: Second that |
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| 23:24.24 | vifon | Ok... Now I've fiddled a bit more with the DO panel and it's working now. I'm not sure why it wasn't reloading the kernel previously. |
| 23:24.38 | vifon | I've been trying to fix it the whole evening... Thanks anyway. |
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| 23:25.58 | Mazhive | nice tip markybob . will do that first.. thanx.. |
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| 23:32.02 | sewerinspector | Hey all. I rebooted my thinkpad T450 and i'm now having issues with my touchpad. It's behaving erratically and synclient -l shows that the synaptics driver hasn't loaded. Here's a few relevant outputs: https://paste.ee/p/wgimA |
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| 23:44.05 | awwal | Having problem here for toggle virt-manager fullscreen. Any clue? |
| 23:45.19 | awwal | keyboard shortcut I meant |
| 23:45.30 | teraflops | awwal: which DE/WM there? |
| 23:45.47 | awwal | teraflops, openbox |
| 23:46.33 | awwal | probably conflicting with openbox keyboard settings |
| 23:47.00 | jmcnaught | awwal: there may not be a keyboard shortcut. what shortcut are you trying? |
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| 23:47.49 | awwal | I use Alt+F12 for fullscreen under openbox. The problem is that it seems that virt-manager have no keyboard shortcut as you say jmcnaught |
| 23:48.26 | awwal | I have tried all the possible combinations: ctrl alt f, alt f1, f2... |
| 23:48.38 | awwal | shit f1... |
| 23:48.45 | awwal | no one works xD |
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| 23:49.20 | jmcnaught | awwal: #virt on OFTC might know |
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| 23:49.46 | awwal | jmcnaught, oh, ok. I havent thought in virt channel. thanks |
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| 23:53.39 | awwal | the problem is that once in fullscreen mode (clocking in fullscreen mode button with mouse), it's impossible to disable the full screen mode. I have to shutdown the guest for have access to my debian host machine xD |
| 23:54.00 | teraflops | yeah I do ctr-alt and then move the mouse over the top center of the screen and a little menu applet/menu drops down |
| 23:57.00 | jmcnaught | awwal: yeah it's mouse only as far as i know |
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| 23:59.05 | awwal | teraflops, I have tried that before I ask but it doesnt work (ctrl+alt mouve the mouse over the top center for get the applet for disable fuullscreen mode) |
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| 23:59.31 | awwal | jmcnaught, the problem I have is disabling full screen mode |
