| 00:00.07 | markybob | zykotick9: no one is gz the other isn't :P |
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| 00:00.20 | markybob | zykotick9: that's how they get around the conflict |
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| 00:00.29 | zykotick9 | finds zless handy sometimes |
| 00:00.48 | markybob | zykotick9: besides you should be using torrent |
| 00:01.03 | markybob | was lead deluge developer for a couple years |
| 00:01.06 | zykotick9 | ? "torrent" |
| 00:01.15 | markybob | deluge* |
| 00:01.17 | markybob | ugh |
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| 00:01.44 | bazhang | the one after transmission |
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| 00:07.58 | zykotick9 | i've used both transmission and deluge in the past... now-a-days, if i can't run it in tmux it's gotta be pretty "special" (firefox/chromium/gimp jump to mind) |
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| 00:08.38 | zykotick9 | ^ and pysolfc |
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| 00:08.48 | markybob | you can run deluge in tmux. deluge-console package |
| 00:09.03 | zykotick9 | then it's on the table again ;) |
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| 00:10.00 | polyzen | transmission ftw |
| 00:10.00 | Quadrant | is there a premade lxc container of debian jessie somewhere i can download |
| 00:10.10 | markybob | zykotick9: plus you can just use deluged with deluge-webui since you already use a web browser |
| 00:10.23 | zykotick9 | markybob: while i expect the answer might be a "bit" biased... are there any big advantages to using deluge-console over rtorrent? |
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| 00:10.31 | polyzen | didn't know deluge had a daemon |
| 00:10.42 | markybob | zykotick9: probably not. |
| 00:10.44 | echosystm | is there a debian server irc hcannel? |
| 00:10.46 | markybob | polyzen: sure does |
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| 00:10.52 | zykotick9 | markybob: ;) thanks. |
| 00:10.53 | Quadrant | sorry. my irc client auto updated |
| 00:10.54 | markybob | #deluge |
| 00:10.56 | polyzen | lol Quadrant |
| 00:10.59 | echosystm | i need some help from leet server peeps |
| 00:11.08 | Quadrant | did i miss anything :P |
| 00:11.09 | echosystm | what channel would be best for that? |
| 00:11.11 | markybob | most help comes from forum.deluge-torrent.org though |
| 00:11.14 | polyzen | Quadrant, no :p |
| 00:11.17 | Quadrant | heh |
| 00:11.20 | Quadrant | perfrect! |
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| 00:11.37 | TandyUK | echosystm: you're in it? |
| 00:12.02 | echosystm | ok cool |
| 00:12.07 | echosystm | here we go! |
| 00:12.14 | TandyUK | hides |
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| 00:12.31 | echosystm | my VPN provider doesn't keep IP addresses around for very long, to stop them from being blocked |
| 00:12.37 | echosystm | so you must connect via hostname |
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| 00:12.54 | echosystm | i want all traffic outside the VPN to be blocked |
| 00:13.16 | echosystm | however, i can't do that, because it needs DNS to find the hostname of the VPN |
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| 00:13.35 | echosystm | if i keep port 53 open on eth0, then DNS will leak when the VPN drops |
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| 00:13.47 | echosystm | does anyone have a mad solution to this problem? |
| 00:14.05 | echosystm | at the moment, i block port 53 when tun0 comes up, but then the VPN can't reconnect if it drops |
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| 00:14.42 | markybob | echosystm: http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2015/09/how-to-fix-openvpn-dns-leak-in-linux.html ? |
| 00:15.22 | echosystm | yeah i read that guide |
| 00:15.40 | echosystm | it doesn't block anything |
| 00:15.55 | echosystm | ive read every guide on the internet and they all have big problems |
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| 00:16.22 | echosystm | all that guide does is put the DNS nameservers above your isp/router nameservers |
| 00:16.26 | markybob | echosystm: then probably try ##networkig |
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| 00:16.32 | echosystm | if the VPN drops, you gonna leak 100% |
| 00:16.45 | markybob | spelled correctly |
| 00:16.53 | echosystm | ok cheers |
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| 00:17.50 | TandyUK | sounds like you just need scripts on ifup/ifdown |
| 00:18.04 | TandyUK | but you will need to write and customise those yourself based on your own requirements |
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| 00:22.41 | freax_ | i ran into a problem while compiling qbittorrent 3.3.4 |
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| 00:22.50 | freax_ | here is the paste dump: http://pastebin.com/kq18MzwS |
| 00:23.14 | markybob | everyone's using the wrong torrent client today |
| 00:23.22 | zykotick9 | hehe |
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| 00:26.04 | markybob | freax_: there is #qbittorent and ask about line 38 |
| 00:27.09 | freax_ | done that |
| 00:27.12 | freax_ | no reply |
| 00:27.30 | markybob | ,checkbackport qbittorrent |
| 00:27.31 | judd | Backporting package qbittorrent in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 00:27.37 | markybob | so why are you trying to do it yourself? |
| 00:27.42 | markybob | !tell freax_ about ssb |
| 00:28.24 | markybob | same verson. do that. so many times easier |
| 00:29.11 | freax_ | you might as well be talking klingon |
| 00:30.06 | markybob | freax_: i can if you want me to. i love star trek :P |
| 00:30.49 | markybob | freax_: okay, step by step. sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list and add deb-src http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
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| 00:31.33 | markybob | freax_: sudo apt-get update. sudo apt-get build-dep qbittorrent. sudo apt-get source -b qbittorrent. that'll build deb packages. then dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 00:32.16 | markybob | smoke break |
| 00:32.59 | freax | ok added the repository |
| 00:33.15 | freax | i should then install that thingy |
| 00:34.47 | freax | build-dep + libtorrent-rasterbar8 |
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| 00:36.59 | freax | for crying out loud |
| 00:37.08 | freax | same error message when trying to compile qbittorrent |
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| 00:39.35 | lucas-arg | hey guys any one know a good equalizer for pulseaudio?? |
| 00:40.47 | markybob | freax: you need to do apt-get build-dep libtorrent-rasterbar8 and apt-get source -b libtorrent-raster8 first. then dpkg -i those debs first. then you tackle qbittorrent |
| 00:41.10 | markybob | freax: apt-get source -b libtorrent-rasterbar* |
| 00:41.38 | markybob | freax: you said earlier you were compiling rasterbar but if you want to do ssb you need the packages to fullfil the dependencies |
| 00:42.11 | markybob | libtorrent-rasterbar8 damnit |
| 00:43.41 | markybob | or just do the logical thing and install deluge |
| 00:44.31 | freax | k |
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| 03:44.17 | freax_ | deluge is broken on debian 8 too |
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| 03:47.01 | jmcnaught | freax_: broken how? i have transmission-gtk here and it works great. |
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| 03:51.20 | freax_ | deluge is not transmission |
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| 04:42.05 | est31 | There has been this announcement that debian will be dropping support for older cpus |
| 04:42.18 | est31 | now I wonder whether my CPU is affected by that |
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| 04:42.56 | dax | which CPU? |
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| 04:43.16 | est31 | My device is 2 years old |
| 04:43.18 | est31 | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU N3520 @ 2.16GHz |
| 04:43.37 | dax | (and I assume you mean the discussion of dropping i586 support?) |
| 04:44.01 | est31 | I think so yes |
| 04:44.14 | dax | any intel stuff from the last decade or two is fine |
| 04:44.15 | est31 | this email https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg00001.html |
| 04:45.06 | est31 | The email says "Pentium" and cat /proc/cpuinfo says pentium as well |
| 04:45.10 | dax | the word "Pentium" in that email doesn't mean the same thing as "Pentium" in your CPU's model name, somewhat obnoxiously |
| 04:45.21 | aypea[1] | est: you'll be fine. that pentium is from the late 90s early 2000s |
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| 04:45.27 | dax | "The current Pentium processors have only the name in common with the early ones" |
| 04:45.50 | jmcnaught | est31: your processor is 64-bit and very recentl. Debian is dropping support for some kinds of x86 chips from the 1990s |
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| 04:45.57 | aypea[1] | est: so basically anything from that pentium onwards is fine. |
| 04:46.03 | dax | Pentium in the email means the P5 architecture, i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P5_%28microarchitecture%29 |
| 04:46.16 | dax | which, again, is a couple of decades old |
| 04:46.46 | dax | modern "Pentium"s are based on the Intel Core architecture or newer |
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| 04:47.11 | est31 | oh okay |
| 04:47.26 | est31 | phew, that had almost ruined my morning |
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| 05:44.15 | critter | Hi |
| 05:44.56 | critter | anyone can talk to me about debian uefi secure boot suport? |
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| 05:45.09 | markybob | critter: yes. debian doesn't support secure boot at all |
| 05:45.32 | markybob | critter: it's in the works and will be supported in stretch, the next stable release, which comes out in spring 2017 |
| 05:45.33 | awwal | hihi |
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| 05:46.12 | critter | markybob, what approach are you taking? |
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| 05:46.45 | markybob | critter: i dont know what you mean. i just watch a video from debconf a week ago that talked about it. that's the plan. stretch. |
| 05:47.07 | markybob | critter: you can use uefi but not secure boot |
| 05:47.12 | critter | markybob, though you were dev |
| 05:48.02 | critter | markybob, ok, another thing, full disk encryption, is it possible without unencrypted boot partition? |
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| 05:48.12 | markybob | critter: they're basically going to pay a small fee to get it "certified". it's fucked up but you do what you have to |
| 05:48.36 | critter | to fedora? |
| 05:48.40 | markybob | critter: microsoft |
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| 05:49.14 | critter | markybob, weird... |
| 05:49.28 | markybob | critter: and full disk encryption is not something i've cracked because i've never understood the point of an encrypted /boot, so i never really looked into it |
| 05:50.02 | critter | markybob, someone can replace your kernel |
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| 05:50.55 | markybob | damn that's a level of paranoia i haven't experienced since the 80's |
| 05:51.29 | critter | markybob, 80's? |
| 05:51.40 | markybob | cold war. i'm old :P |
| 05:52.29 | xcel--- | :D |
| 05:53.58 | awwal | debian going to pay a few $ for microsoft? my bad... |
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| 05:54.07 | markybob | yeah |
| 05:54.13 | critter | openbsd supports full disk encryption |
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| 05:54.35 | markybob | critter: you can find howto's for debian it's just not easy |
| 05:54.43 | critter | it can be implemented on grup, dont you think? |
| 05:54.49 | critter | grub |
| 05:55.07 | markybob | critter: google will show you how. it's just pulling teeth for no reason |
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| 05:58.51 | awwal | I wonder if the old school DD's is being replaced by new DD's who are flexible with debian rules making debian every day more open to non-free stuff, debuntu ...:( |
| 05:59.02 | critter | markybob, grub offers encryption features? |
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| 05:59.27 | critter | just read on slashdot that deb is droping old x86 support |
| 05:59.56 | jmcnaught | critter: that's about x86 chips from the 1990s, pre-Pentium II |
| 05:59.59 | markybob | critter: not totally true. it will continue to support 686. |
| 06:00.48 | markybob | so yeah, 586 and 486 are fucked |
| 06:01.16 | jmcnaught | 486 was already dropped for squeeze |
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| 07:24.16 | TomyWork | hi, was there a problem with the wheezy-updates repo last week? may 3rd-ish? |
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| 07:39.55 | brontosaurusrex | with alsa, how can I enable line output or should that be automagic? (only internal speaker is talking so far) |
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| 07:41.17 | jmcnaught | brontosaurusrex: are you not using pulseaudio? |
| 07:42.03 | brontosaurusrex | no, alsa only |
| 07:42.28 | brontosaurusrex | Line out + Speak seems to be on Auto-Mute mode |
| 07:42.41 | brontosaurusrex | acording to alsa mixer |
| 07:43.30 | brontosaurusrex | On extremly similar machine I think this was working out of the box. |
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| 08:10.57 | DotHack | updated samba 4.1.17 to 4.2.10 due to security updates, now wbinfo -u doesnt list users anymore... |
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| 08:12.29 | brontosaurusrex | ok, the problem was that I put the cable on the wrong pc :P |
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| 08:26.52 | phantomcircuit | running jessie there seems to be some reason that gnupg-1.4.18-7+deb8u1 |
| 08:26.55 | phantomcircuit | needs to be installed |
| 08:26.59 | phantomcircuit | how can i tell what depends on that? |
| 08:27.13 | phantomcircuit | nvm it's apt... |
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| 08:28.58 | plasmoduck | Hello |
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| 08:33.39 | plasmoduck | #moc |
| 08:33.56 | Stummi | phantomcircuit, for future reference: aptitude why <package> |
| 08:34.07 | plasmoduck | How do I set a moc theme |
| 08:34.20 | Stummi | what is a moc theme? |
| 08:34.27 | plasmoduck | Music On Console |
| 08:34.33 | plasmoduck | MOC is a music player |
| 08:34.56 | Stummi | hm.. don't know it. Does nothing about it stands in its manpage or documentation? |
| 08:38.44 | plasmoduck | I figured it out, thanks. |
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| 08:42.16 | plasmoduck | http://img10.deviantart.net/5f2c/i/2011/186/9/1/awesome_wm_enterprise_theme_by_omeganfire-d3l281h.png |
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| 08:47.01 | dubin | Does debian come with kde 5 |
| 08:47.17 | Ticho | testing branch does |
| 08:47.25 | Ticho | stable still has kde4 (fortunately) |
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| 08:54.16 | zpzpzpzpz | upgrading stable to testing wont break my sytem right? |
| 08:55.05 | Ticho | if you think about what the words "stable" and "testing" mean, you will realize that the answer is "it might" |
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| 08:55.54 | Cosmos82 | zpzpzpzpz: I did so. And it was all good. Though you have to be aware of the fact that you won't be able to install some stuff since it has made it into testing |
| 08:56.00 | dubin | It will make it less stable because it's bleeding edge |
| 08:56.11 | Cosmos82 | *it has not made it into testing |
| 08:56.43 | dubin | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_edge_technology |
| 08:56.45 | Cosmos82 | But if you have no problems reading bug reports and the like, stable to testing shouldn't do _too_ much damage |
| 08:57.26 | Cosmos82 | dubin: afaik bleeding edge for debian is sid. testing is fairly stable. |
| 08:58.03 | zpzpzpzpz | i think testing is still old |
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| 08:59.59 | Cosmos82 | zpzpzpzpz: well it is newer than what's in stable. |
| 09:00.30 | zpzpzpzpz | yes |
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| 09:00.41 | zpzpzpzpz | what is the version of nodejs in testing_? |
| 09:01.09 | Cosmos82 | If that's not good enough, you can go to sid. _That's_ bleeding edge. |
| 09:02.19 | Ticho | https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nodejs.html |
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| 09:08.33 | s4ndm4n | If you keep /boot within encrypted LVM, it works too |
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| 09:15.09 | plasmoduck | Anyone about? |
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| 09:20.13 | Walex | plasmoduck: you! |
| 09:21.21 | plasmoduck | Walex: have you much experience with Awesome WM? |
| 09:22.24 | Walex | plasmoduck: the convention in IRC is to just ask a question, and then if someone feels like they will comment. It can take some hours... |
| 09:24.06 | dubin | Remember the good old days of linux |
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| 09:27.11 | Walex | dubin: when it was a close UNIX clone, and it fit in a 64MiB host with space to spare? :-) |
| 09:27.27 | Walex | dubin: pre-hipster Linux? :-) |
| 09:27.56 | dubin | I was thinking aroung 2.0 |
| 09:28.48 | Walex | dubin: more or less the same, pre-hipster, unbloated Linux. |
| 09:28.55 | s4ndm4n | Walex: That's long time |
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| 09:30.24 | Walex | s4ndm4n: not for me, relatively speaking. I still remember my PDP-11/34 with UNIX 7/BSD2.9 running 3 users in 256KiB of RAM on a 100KHz CPU. |
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| 09:30.34 | Walex | :-) |
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| 09:31.21 | dubin | My first computer had 256mb ram |
| 09:31.50 | Walex | dubin: that was huge :-) |
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| 09:33.00 | plasmoduck | Anyone played around with Haiku? it's a revival of BeOS. |
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| 09:33.25 | plasmoduck | Mainly obsure ones. |
| 09:33.47 | Walex | when there was a " GNOME memory reduction project" that aimed to slim it down so it would work well, instead of slowly, in 128MiB. |
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| 09:34.07 | dubin | just use ice |
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| 09:34.35 | Walex | plasmoduck: Haiku was pretty good, and the current freeware implementation is quite credible too. Sometimes I wonder whether to switch... |
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| 09:35.32 | Walex | plasmoduck: if you want to collect obscure OSes, OS6, MUSS, TWENEX, TSS/370, ITSS all come to mind :-) |
| 09:36.07 | dubin | https://winworldpc.com/library/ |
| 09:36.16 | dubin | you can download old os there |
| 09:36.29 | Walex | plasmoduck: there are several more recent UNIX-y ones, for i386/amd64 CPUs. |
| 09:36.56 | Walex | dubin: interesting place. |
| 09:37.53 | shtrb | Any idea how I can tap into USB bus from a vbox hosted debian (I can move to any other virtualization that can run on win10) ? I wish that debian's kernel will interact with the USB bus directly (and not via an intermidiate driver). |
| 09:37.53 | shtrb | backstory , bloody win10 is failing to support with Nokia modem drivers , so I used a vbox and passed all usb interfaces into VBox (using vbox extnensions) , Debian SID within the VBOX run wvdial and able to use the modem. the downside the host OS still need a driver that can claim the device (failed to see how I can pass devices which are set as unknown in windows device manager). |
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| 09:38.21 | plasmoduck | Walex: are you a VMS fan? |
| 09:38.56 | Walex | plasmoduck: I used to semi-like VMS, but I am an MUSS/Multics/Accent fan :-) |
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| 09:39.09 | dubin | you can download linux kernel 0.01 |
| 09:39.15 | Walex | plasmoduck: ahhhh also recommend KeyKOS/EROS for looking at. |
| 09:39.22 | plasmoduck | Walex: Ah ;-) |
| 09:39.56 | plasmoduck | dubin: what on earth would you do with it? |
| 09:40.38 | Walex | dubin: there is a Linux 'git' repo for "legacy" code that goes way back, I think all the way to 0.02 at least IIRC |
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| 09:42.24 | plasmoduck | brb |
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| 09:50.33 | qis | Is there a way to configure dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces so that it will try to get an address asynchronously? |
| 09:50.57 | shtrb | qis , what does that mean ? |
| 09:51.02 | Walex | qis: yes, but that's crazy |
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| 09:51.11 | qis | I'm working in a VM with three interfaces. Two are DHCP and 0-1 of them are really connected during boot. |
| 09:51.19 | qis | But both appear physically connected at all times. |
| 09:51.19 | is_null | hi all, is it normal that i get this error with apt-get update on jessie ? E: Release file for http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/InRelease is expired (invalid since 50d 0h 35min 30s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 09:51.26 | Walex | qis: 'detach' option to 'dhclient' |
| 09:51.29 | qis | Walex: Don't care. I need it. =) |
| 09:51.33 | qis | Walex: Thanks. |
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| 09:52.18 | qis | Walex: Strange, the docs don't mention it in the config file. |
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| 09:54.52 | Walex | qis: it is the '-nw' option |
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| 10:03.05 | unborn | guys any vpn master here? |
| 10:04.02 | qis | No, only time lords. |
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| 10:05.06 | vegardx | Zing! |
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| 10:07.07 | unborn | anyone knows how to block internet access on vpn server? meaning client can connect to vpn and use resources on another network but keeps his own internet connection? |
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| 10:08.25 | Qann | unborn: Not sure how. But I assume you're using OpenVPN. Just send the routes for the network, not for the whole internet. |
| 10:08.29 | donoban | unborn: I see at least two ways for doing it, using a firewall |
| 10:08.30 | Walex | unborn: probably that's not the question you want to ask. |
| 10:08.47 | donoban | or configuring a non-working gw for the vpn clients |
| 10:08.59 | donoban | or don't give them a gw address |
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| 10:09.43 | shtrb | unborn , don't pass the default gw and use a different subnet from your own |
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| 10:09.44 | Walex | unborn: "qann" and "donoban" have given you half of the answer to the question you probably should have asked... |
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| 10:10.25 | Walex | unborn: the other half is "if I configure the VPN server to not give them a default route or to block it, how can the client access the internet then?" |
| 10:10.42 | unborn | thanks guys.. well basically I want user to be able to connect to vpn where my machine sits and to be able access files on that machine.. but while user is connected to vpn he would be able only access internet via his local connection so he will be using his own public ip.. heh |
| 10:10.49 | qis | I see no way to configure nowait for dhclient and google search results are less than helpful. |
| 10:10.52 | Walex | unborn: the answer to that is "most clients have an option that says "keep existing default route". |
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| 10:11.17 | qis | The interfaces appear connected but there is no DHCP server listening on the network. Still stalling. |
| 10:11.26 | donoban | unborn: your clients show add only a route to the vpn subnet, but not a default gw entry |
| 10:11.43 | Walex | qis: option '-nw'/"detach"/"nowait" to 'dhclient' must work... |
| 10:12.55 | shtrb | unborn , are you using routing or bridge ? in any case you can choose not to push default gw |
| 10:12.56 | donoban | unborn: you could add a custom script with up paramter, an manually delete the default gw added by openvpn |
| 10:13.15 | shtrb | donoban , you are working to hard |
| 10:13.23 | shtrb | *too hard |
| 10:13.35 | donoban | if it's possible to dont push the default gw better |
| 10:13.38 | qis | Walex: You mean I should manually add an /etc/dhclient.conf config file? |
| 10:13.46 | shtrb | yes , it's an option in openvpn |
| 10:13.51 | donoban | :) |
| 10:13.58 | shtrb | you actually need to enable it |
| 10:14.03 | Walex | qis: in 'interfaces' you need to use 'manual' ,method and then use 'pre-up' to invoke 'dhclient' and 'pre-down' to kill it. |
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| 10:14.26 | donoban | on server conf shtrb? |
| 10:14.27 | shtrb | so if he pushes routes , he just can not set the one that pass all (only network) in case of dhcp not to push default gw |
| 10:14.28 | unborn | shtrb: nope..its classic vpn setup which works, however I would like to make it that if anyone connects into it he would only have access to local machines. Internet should be accessible only from his own connection, not via vpn, while he is connected to the vpn |
| 10:14.29 | shtrb | yes |
| 10:14.31 | Walex | qis: kill it means using "dhclient -r" |
| 10:14.33 | shtrb | donoban , yes |
| 10:14.36 | qis | Walex: Thanks. I think I'll rather wait if debian does not support it. |
| 10:14.52 | Walex | qis: that does not make a lot of sense. |
| 10:14.57 | unborn | Walex: so blocking it on firewall level? |
| 10:15.07 | shtrb | unborn , in openvpn you have bridged and routing , ip can be sent via dhcp , ccd , or hardcoded |
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| 10:15.25 | shtrb | unborn , I understand |
| 10:15.59 | shtrb | unborn , make sure that redirect-gateway is not enabled (on client) |
| 10:16.16 | Walex | unborn: as the others have mentioned, on the server side you don't send a default route to the client, and you block the VPN-assigned source addresses from accessing addresses other than local. Then on the client side you tell the clients to use the local default route as "shtrb" just added. |
| 10:16.25 | vegardx | You can "block" Internet access by not enabling package forwarding. |
| 10:16.34 | shtrb | and on server don't in case of route push don't put the last arg |
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| 10:17.53 | shtrb | unborn , in case of bridged and relay you need to dance a bit |
| 10:19.03 | unborn | vegardx: im going to try that.. shtrb well that could work but I would rather prefer server side solution.. you know how it is with people :) |
| 10:19.06 | shtrb | in any case don't push the routes to 0.0.0.0 and don't push redirect-gateway (on server |
| 10:19.15 | shtrb | I'm talking about both sides |
| 10:19.32 | vegardx | You still might want to push a valid route. You know, to actially let things access each other. |
| 10:19.37 | shtrb | *unborn , you have to work to enable dhcp and redirect-gateway to actually work |
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| 10:19.47 | Walex | unborn: as "shtrb" you need both sides. If the client default routes are blocked on the server, people will get upset at you. |
| 10:20.09 | vegardx | But when you disable package forwarding you disable packages from going from TUN/TAP to the bridge. And your route should naturally reflect that as well, and set a default route. |
| 10:20.25 | vegardx | and not set* |
| 10:20.26 | vegardx | Err! |
| 10:20.29 | Walex | unborn: as "shtrb" says you need both sides. If the client default routes remain via the VPN and are blocked on the server, people will get upset at you. |
| 10:20.48 | shtrb | usually with openvpn a server can publish a default gw (via redirect-gateway def1 and pushing routes) , in case of tun vs tan the issue is a bit harder |
| 10:21.49 | shtrb | then client will choose if it take what you send or not |
| 10:21.57 | vegardx | You just want to push a route that reflects the subnet you have used for VPN. |
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| 10:22.39 | unborn | okay I see.. |
| 10:22.42 | shtrb | in addition to what vegrax said , as soon as the client gain an ip (via any way you choose) push the route |
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| 10:25.14 | unborn | well is there any way to setup vpn acting like connect pc1 to pc2 where pc2 is just standalone unit without internet but keep user happy and connected on internet in pc1? I guess not really |
| 10:25.33 | shtrb | ofc yes |
| 10:25.42 | shtrb | no dhcp at all , just route with a static ip |
| 10:25.58 | shtrb | over bridged mode |
| 10:26.15 | shtrb | and to make it even better add a relay on server side (to interconnect) |
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| 10:27.02 | shtrb | each client will either have an ip locally (manually assigned) or over CCD |
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| 10:27.38 | vegardx | It's hard to get DHCP to work over OpenVPN, due to the fact that it doesn't transmit broadcast. |
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| 10:27.43 | shtrb | just remember not to use (192.168.1.0/24 or 10.0.0.0/24) |
| 10:27.57 | shtrb | vegardx , that is why you can use bridged mode |
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| 10:28.12 | vegardx | I thought you still had the same problem there? |
| 10:28.17 | shtrb | no |
| 10:28.21 | vegardx | I might be mistaken it for IPSec on that part. |
| 10:28.29 | shtrb | bridge exist to allow broadcast |
| 10:28.44 | shtrb | IPSec is a win10 |
| 10:28.52 | vegardx | Ah, you're right. But there is a boatload of other issues related to that. |
| 10:28.56 | shtrb | I mean IPSec is a win10 to setup |
| 10:29.09 | shtrb | (Instead of putting a nice course I just say win10) |
| 10:29.29 | shtrb | vegardx, even with tunnel you have a workaround for dhcp |
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| 10:29.46 | shtrb | but it will not work on androids |
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| 10:31.21 | paule32 | hello |
| 10:31.37 | paule32 | i have download the debian mirror |
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| 10:32.01 | paule32 | how can i install debian per tftp |
| 10:32.03 | paule32 | ? |
| 10:32.12 | paule32 | i have a apache2 site |
| 10:32.26 | shtrb | vegardx, the fastest thing one can do with tun is to use ifconfig-pool/client-connect (but that is ugly as maintaining win10 ) |
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| 10:32.48 | vegardx | Hehe |
| 10:32.55 | nkuttler | !tell paule32 about netboot |
| 10:33.07 | paule32 | that point to: http://mysubdomain.domain.tld/ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 10:33.09 | vegardx | I just use IPSec. *shrugs* |
| 10:33.21 | shtrb | vegardx, no roadwarriors ? |
| 10:33.25 | nardev | guys, why maintaining #debian chan on deb server and on freenode? |
| 10:34.15 | vegardx | Because people like different networks? |
| 10:34.16 | jelly | paule32: best read the install guide. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-tftp |
| 10:34.21 | vegardx | There's also one on EFNet. |
| 10:34.29 | shtrb | paule32 , ipxe ? |
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| 10:35.22 | jelly | nardev: mostly because lots of users never switched over to OFTC back in 2005 when debian devel channels moved |
| 10:35.30 | vegardx | Or just use a USB-stick or whatever to boot into a netinst iso and set the apt mirror manually. |
| 10:35.52 | nardev | jelly, so all sponsors and ddes are in deb. server? |
| 10:36.23 | jelly | nardev: if you're talking about GSOC sponsors, yeah |
| 10:36.25 | unborn | shtrb: bridged mode should work.. main purpose of this connection is vpn from pc2 to pc1 over internet |
| 10:36.26 | shtrb | paule32 , assume you have good connection ? |
| 10:36.42 | nardev | jelly, packaging sponsors... |
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| 10:36.54 | paule32 | nkuttler: ether i get the message that hvm kernel for debian Ãs not found, or install must be in tree |
| 10:36.55 | jelly | that too |
| 10:36.56 | paule32 | yes |
| 10:36.59 | shtrb | unborn , birdged has it's own downsides (more security considurations) |
| 10:37.33 | shtrb | unborn , it forces you to have a good firewall and to have a baseball bat with a warning don't touch my network |
| 10:38.21 | paule32 | «Could not find an installable distribution at 'http://domain.com/ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/' |
| 10:38.21 | paule32 | The location must be the root directory of an install tree.» |
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| 10:39.59 | shtrb | unborn , in case you are going to have it as a backup system make sure to run on 443 and maybe you will need to work with port sharing |
| 10:41.02 | paule32 | shtrb: have you an idea? |
| 10:41.03 | shtrb | sslh is just one option |
| 10:41.09 | unborn | shtrb: meh, perhaps best way would be install guacamole on local server out there in office and keep connecting via ssh proxy.. that would be simplest way possibly |
| 10:41.43 | shtrb | unborn , ssh contrary to openvpn doesn't work on windows without many extrernal changes |
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| 10:42.00 | shtrb | paule32 , network config ? |
| 10:42.03 | unborn | and files shared only via ssh |
| 10:42.17 | paule32 | shtrb: local? |
| 10:42.42 | shtrb | unborn , If I understnad your issue correctly you are failing to install from the network |
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| 10:43.06 | shtrb | (as in accessing ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images ... ) |
| 10:43.06 | unborn | shtrb: I know.. its only 15 machines.. very small setup, so I dont mind to setup everything manually but guacamole would be possible best simplified option to go with |
| 10:43.33 | shtrb | what ever works beter for your ecosystem |
| 10:43.40 | paule32 | shtrb: not correct? |
| 10:43.54 | shtrb | * I would stick to openvpn |
| 10:44.07 | unborn | shtrb: vpn in office works correctly ...office <--> my home fine, however if I block internet on vpn server hosted in home, they in office loose internet too.. that was the issue |
| 10:44.14 | shtrb | paule32 , if you are accessing an ftp server many things can break in the process |
| 10:44.31 | shtrb | that is why pxe is good to install from a local server (safe) |
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| 10:44.42 | unborn | I can setup vpn there in their office and use that then.. its all good. |
| 10:45.12 | paule32 | shtrb: the data lays in apache2 html tree folder |
| 10:45.25 | paule32 | mydomain.example.com/ |
| 10:45.37 | shtrb | unborn , go to your least technical person in the office (let's say the marking director) and see if they can handle your solution |
| 10:45.44 | paule32 | the document path is /var/www ... |
| 10:45.45 | shtrb | paule32 , I missed it was a local installation |
| 10:46.14 | unborn | 0o huh? |
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| 10:46.41 | shtrb | unborn , always take your weakes point and check your config against it |
| 10:46.51 | paule32 | shtrb: yes, would install local, and the server is in internet by an ISP |
| 10:46.55 | paule32 | as vserver |
| 10:47.40 | shtrb | If I understand you correctly , you wish to have a PXE server like under (https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall) so a netboot would work ? |
| 10:48.21 | paule32 | netboot, yes but not local lan, but wan - remote |
| 10:48.26 | shtrb | same lan, working dhcp , boot from net works |
| 10:48.29 | unborn | shtrb: installing vpn in office server worked for me.. I am able to connect to office machines vnc servers and do remote tasks. This way I am not sharing my private network resources which was the initial question. Thank you for your help. |
| 10:48.46 | shtrb | paule32 , never did a wan boot I don't know how it can work |
| 10:48.54 | vegardx | PXE-booting machines require some control over the local network, amongst other other things. |
| 10:49.09 | paule32 | shtrb: i can't use private ip numbers like 192... |
| 10:49.12 | shtrb | paule32, you need to BOOT to pass |
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| 10:49.44 | paule32 | vegardx: vpn ? |
| 10:49.45 | shtrb | *BOOTP (for DHCP and others) |
| 10:49.51 | vegardx | How will you connect via VPN? |
| 10:49.58 | vegardx | You are at the very lowest level of booting. |
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| 10:50.15 | shtrb | so I think what you would need to do , to setup initil install via netboot , then add your mirrors |
| 10:50.43 | rainbowtux | Hi all, I have a question concerning Debian packaging: if a config file is present in an older version but not in a newer version, what is the proper way to have it removed on update? |
| 10:50.43 | paule32 | i have download mirror ftp.us.debian.org |
| 10:50.55 | shtrb | paule32 , how do you access the installation files ? |
| 10:51.07 | paule32 | html protocol |
| 10:51.20 | shtrb | paule32 , so why don't you just setup a PXE server and a local mirror |
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| 10:51.24 | shtrb | html protocol ?! |
| 10:51.42 | paule32 | wget |
| 10:51.49 | shtrb | rainbowtux , a control file is needed for packaging |
| 10:52.44 | shtrb | ok .. .do yourself a favor , install locally using netboot and then add mirrors |
| 10:53.00 | shtrb | *paule32 , I think it would be eaiser for you |
| 10:53.21 | paule32 | the mirror lays on remote machine |
| 10:53.29 | paule32 | tftp-hp is running |
| 10:54.21 | shtrb | how will your machine access that server ? |
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| 10:54.39 | paule32 | it is a vserver not root! |
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| 10:54.51 | vegardx | pops some popcorn |
| 10:54.59 | paule32 | the vserver is a rented linux server by my provider |
| 10:55.06 | shtrb | yes |
| 10:55.12 | vegardx | It could be in orgit and you still haven't answered his question. |
| 10:55.25 | rainbowtux | shtrb: i know... i can build a package, but config files are not removed from the system if the newer version does not need that file anymore :/ |
| 10:55.58 | paule32 | i can browse the mirror copy per apache2 |
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| 10:56.33 | shtrb | yes , because you already have access to from your UE to a router , and from that router to the server |
| 10:56.46 | vegardx | I think PXE / BOOTP is out of your scope, paule32. |
| 10:56.49 | shtrb | during installation your UE need to connect directly to the server (via the router) |
| 10:56.54 | paule32 | like http://sub.domain.com/ftp.us.debian.org/debian ... |
| 10:57.35 | shtrb | the debian installer would need a way to connect to that server |
| 10:57.47 | paule32 | i have dsl connection at home |
| 10:58.09 | shtrb | and your dsl router have a PXE setup ? |
| 10:58.18 | vegardx | shtrb: I think you are being trolled. |
| 10:58.20 | paule32 | i have success install linux before, but not with my own server |
| 10:58.27 | shtrb | vegardx , oh sorry |
| 10:58.33 | paule32 | no, i use virt-manager atm |
| 10:58.34 | shtrb | vegarx , didn't catch that |
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| 10:59.29 | paule32 | i on my vserver per ssh, atm |
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| 11:03.22 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 11:09.15 | shtrb | for any future person who would like to install debian from a PXE (tftp server) just setup a PXE server locally within your lan (not wlan but lan ) , that way your boot from network facility in your pc could interact with that server (for more info visit https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall ) , you probably really wish to have a network install (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianNetworkInstall ) and not PXE which can connect to a remote server (outside your |
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| 11:13.05 | spleen | Hello All |
| 11:13.31 | spleen | i need to source a file before start my systemd script. How could i do that ? |
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| 11:15.06 | paule32 | ok, now, it seems that i have the correct path |
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| 11:15.28 | paule32 | but getting the message "hvm kernel for debian not found" |
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| 11:23.00 | bumbar_ | "&> /dev/null" means to redirect all output ? |
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| 11:24.45 | shtrb | bumbar_, no |
| 11:26.07 | shtrb | *only stdout |
| 11:27.53 | darxmurf | anybody is using samba with LDAP auth on MS Domain ? |
| 11:28.18 | darxmurf | I just upgraded to samba 3.6.23-30 this morning and now it does not accept my "valid users" filter anymore :-/ |
| 11:28.33 | darxmurf | returning : [2016/05/09 13:09:51.232647, 3] ../libcli/security/dom_sid.c:208(dom_sid_parse_endp) string_to_sid: SID @your_group is not in a valid format |
| 11:28.41 | jubo2 | How do I check for Debian version ? |
| 11:28.48 | jubo2 | uname -a ? |
| 11:28.54 | darxmurf | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:29.01 | darxmurf | cat /etc/*release |
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| 11:30.03 | jubo2 | Seems to say 8 |
| 11:30.07 | jubo2 | but is it 8.4 |
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| 11:30.26 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 11:30.26 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 11:31.16 | jelly | jubo2: if "cat /etc/debian_version" does not say "8.4" your system is not up-to-date with patches |
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| 11:32.36 | jelly | darxmurf: which debian release did you find samba 3.6.23-30 in? |
| 11:33.06 | jubo2 | ja ok is 8.4 |
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| 11:36.30 | darxmurf | jelly, it's a centos 6.7 |
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| 11:37.39 | darxmurf | (I know it's the wrong chan...:-/ ) |
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| 11:41.50 | zeta- | I've installed debian on old laptop that had a video card bug causing a hang. Now fixed Yeah! |
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| 11:42.46 | zeta- | Unfortunately, Xfce has some panels missing -- and don't know what else ... |
| 11:44.27 | zeta- | I've tried dpkg-reconfigure, and tasksel to reinstall, but to no avail |
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| 11:45.23 | zeta- | How do I get the desktop configured as a default installation? |
| 11:47.01 | zeta- | I can create a few panels manually of course -- but I don't know what else might be needed |
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| 11:58.57 | Psy-Q | on testing, mouse and touchpad behavior has changed completely (different acceleration, tap-to-click is no longer available). how can i find out which packages are involved in this? |
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| 12:01.55 | jelly | !spank darxmurf |
| 12:01.55 | dpkg | bends darxmurf over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 12:02.12 | zeta- | Psy-Q: Yes, the Touchpad tab on Settings -> 'Mouse and touchpad' -> Devices is missing. |
| 12:02.22 | darxmurf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.39 | darxmurf | rolling back this sh*t to see if it resolv the issue |
| 12:03.27 | Psy-Q | zeta-: i think not only that, i think the entire device is not detected correctly anymore |
| 12:03.35 | Psy-Q | even with the default synaptics settings it used to be OK |
| 12:03.43 | jubo2 | anyone know how to list existing detached tmux sessions? |
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| 12:03.53 | Psy-Q | but yeah, the GUI is missing elements too |
| 12:03.57 | jubo2 | coz I got the problem that there are more than one |
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| 12:04.27 | jubo2 | one is running GNU MediaGoblin but I'm looking to 'tmux at' to the other one running the diaspora* pod |
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| 12:05.54 | Psy-Q | ah, if i set acceleration and sensitivity to 0 in the new GUI the mouse doesn't feel crappy anymore |
| 12:06.08 | telecity | getty not started on a remote server, able to access via SSH, ps -ef reports no tty session.. how can I start getty? |
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| 12:06.22 | teraflops | jubo2: sorry for asking, it's just curiosity you do run a mediagoblin instance via tmux? I mean, you don't have a service or whatever for doing it properly? |
| 12:06.45 | jubo2 | teraflops: I not the texiest person alive |
| 12:07.00 | jubo2 | The instructions I was following told me to do it that way |
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| 12:07.15 | teraflops | jubo2: wat! |
| 12:07.20 | zeta- | Psy-Q: Yes, I still have 2 finger scrolling (also on that tab) but no tapping. |
| 12:07.25 | jubo2 | and I've been happy with running the diaspora* that way since July 2013 |
| 12:07.29 | telecity | in fact, any idea how can i kill all getty processes and prevent them from auto-respawning.. what causes them to respawn? |
| 12:08.37 | jubo2 | teraflops: The GMG is a 0.8.0 and accidentally installed with SQLite instead of Postgres, contains one image and I gonna install clean the 0.9.0 that comes with python3 support |
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| 12:09.05 | zeta- | Psy-Q: It's disappeared before, (on testing) but then comes back. Still dont know the pkg :-( |
| 12:09.34 | Psy-Q | zeta-: ah, ok |
| 12:09.42 | Psy-Q | hm. i shouldn't have gone to testing i guess |
| 12:09.50 | Psy-Q | that'll be a lesson :) |
| 12:10.09 | teraflops | jubo2: you can upgrade mg via git easy as hell. also you can do uwsgi r just a proper systemd sysvinit service. hell one thing is being stable and other is being lazy :P |
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| 12:10.22 | zeta- | :-) |
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| 12:12.35 | zeta- | Psy-Q: I don't think it's possible to get stable for a selection of pkgs |
| 12:12.49 | Psy-Q | zeta-: i had a good run, have been stable since jessie's release |
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| 12:13.12 | Psy-Q | but actually, i mostly just get firefox from experimental. i could probably live with jessie. newer kernels would sometimes be nice, but oh well |
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| 12:15.03 | Psy-Q | aaah crap, and the droid fonts can't be installed anymore |
| 12:16.52 | teraflops | Psy-Q: you dont need to install a font package, just drop the files in ~/.local/share/fonts |
| 12:17.20 | Psy-Q | teraflops: yeah, it was just so convenient to have a package |
| 12:17.39 | Psy-Q | that way i can just install my package selections on another machine and use the dotfiles from my homedir and it all looks the same |
| 12:18.01 | Psy-Q | but seeing that google is not using Droid anymore either, i might as well go with Roboto or something |
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| 12:19.29 | Psy-Q | or Noto, that looks nice IMHO |
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| 12:21.17 | Psy-Q | the linux desktop 2016, still an adventure :D |
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| 12:38.13 | NoCode | Hi. I followed: https://debiantalk.wordpress.com/2015/07/08/how-to-set-up-apache-virtual-hosts-on-debian-8/ -- to get a virtualhost going but there's some DNS error(says in Chrome). I'm trying to get a virtualhost going with a sub domain. test.site.com |
| 12:38.52 | telecity | not really a debian issue |
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| 12:39.31 | telecity | NoCode: nginx has a much simpler config, maybe try that instead of apache? |
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| 12:39.56 | NoCode | what issue is it then? |
| 12:40.10 | telecity | NoCode: configuration issue of 3rd party software |
| 12:40.26 | NoCode | Apache? |
| 12:40.38 | telecity | NoCode: yes |
| 12:40.46 | jubo2 | NoCode: Nginx has much more... flowy configuration syntax |
| 12:40.52 | NoCode | Do you have a support number I can call? |
| 12:41.35 | jubo2 | The Apache is yee trusty ole httpd but if no requirement to use it than Nginx is often convenient |
| 12:41.41 | telecity | not even sure how to respond to that.. baffling |
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| 12:42.26 | telecity | NoCode: this is a debian support channel, I doubt someone here provides phone support, this channel is 'as is' and mostly consisting out of volunteers throughout the world |
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| 12:42.53 | teraflops | telecity: yeah that's a great advice, dont use apache because I have no idea of setting up vhosts go use nginx :S |
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| 12:43.28 | NoCode | jubo2, I've never used Nginx. I installed Debian 8 image from my VPS. It installed Apache by default. |
| 12:43.57 | telecity | teraflops: if you can't figure out how to configure a vhost you shouldn't even be configuring apache in the first place, as a novice |
| 12:44.33 | teraflops | NoCode: internet is plenty of docummentation about setting up virtual hosts in apache. also in setting up dns records. |
| 12:44.45 | Rudde | Is it possible to make a virtual interface on debian linked to a proxy server? |
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| 12:45.12 | NoCode | I have experience with Apache. I just have a usecase. I've been able to set site.com as easy as 1-2-3. First time trying to set up a website.site.com |
| 12:45.15 | teraflops | telecity: you are right but dont be so picky, he's looking for some directions |
| 12:45.21 | jelly | NoCode: is your vhost supposed to be visible on the internet? |
| 12:45.46 | NoCode | Yes it is supposed to be visible. |
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| 12:46.26 | jelly | NoCode: okay, do the A and/or AAAA records for your vhost point to an IP address that apache running on your server is actually listening on? |
| 12:46.27 | telecity | NoCode: ping it first = is it pingable? |
| 12:46.50 | jelly | in other words, are you sure you've set up DNS correctly |
| 12:47.27 | jelly | if Chrome says there's a dns error, that can point to there being... a dns error |
| 12:47.31 | NoCode | I can't ping it. |
| 12:47.40 | telecity | teraflops: with nginx it's only a matter of editing the "server_name" directive and adding the vhost name, that's it.. it would work out of the box :) |
| 12:47.47 | jelly | NoCode: what's the vhost name in question? |
| 12:47.49 | telecity | teraflops: so in all honesty, I think that's not a bad advice |
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| 12:48.09 | jelly | telecity: it's completely bad advice that ignores root cause analysis |
| 12:48.11 | teraflops | NoCode: yeah first check if dns are ok. ping or host mysubdomain.whatever.com |
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| 12:48.39 | teraflops | telecity: I switched to nginx time ago to be fair :P |
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| 12:49.11 | NoCode | jelly, test.bytebind.com. I've set up the test.bytebind.com.conf. So I guess it's the configuration |
| 12:49.29 | NoCode | Or maybe not :P |
| 12:49.31 | teraflops | NoCode: Host test.bytebind.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 12:50.05 | telecity | jelly: I was under the impression he had DNS in order, because he was asking specifically about apache, even with a link.. configuring vhosts on apache is more confusing, than on nginx |
| 12:50.14 | jelly | NoCode: you need to add an A record for "test.bytebind.com." |
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| 12:50.43 | teraflops | ... hmm or a CNAME |
| 12:50.46 | NoCode | Okay. brb |
| 12:50.55 | jelly | no, fuck cnames. |
| 12:50.56 | dgriffi | what am I missing when I get complaints like this? /usr/include/linux/types.h:35:1: error: unknown type name â__u32â |
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| 12:51.42 | telecity | look at bytebind.com |
| 12:51.54 | telecity | a CNAME would work |
| 12:52.00 | telecity | obviously a fresh install |
| 12:52.11 | teraflops | telecity: yeah but jelly dislikes CNAMES :P |
| 12:52.18 | telecity | ofcourse |
| 12:52.54 | telecity | for totally sensible reasons |
| 12:52.57 | telecity | .. not |
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| 12:53.58 | teraflops | well A looks saner, CNAMES look like a dirty hack for doing subdomains |
| 12:54.22 | telecity | if it's the same host? |
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| 12:54.43 | telecity | if it's the same host = CNAME look saner |
| 12:55.07 | teraflops | hey I do cnames for different hosts even the certificates work ok :P |
| 12:57.00 | telecity | I wonder how do I kill getty |
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| 12:59.47 | teraflops | telecity: hmm, systemctl restart getty@ttyN ? |
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| 13:03.48 | telecity | teraflops: what if I still have sysv? |
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| 13:14.34 | spleen | Hello, i have an error with systemd script : |
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| 13:14.39 | spleen | ExecStartPre=/bin/bash -c ulimit -n 20000 |
| 13:14.49 | spleen | is there something wrong ? |
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| 13:15.20 | themill | that doesn't seem productive |
| 13:15.21 | jelly | spleen: uh, if you want to set limits, use native systemd unit syntax |
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| 13:16.32 | jelly | spleen: LimitNOFILE=... in the [service] section, probably |
| 13:16.59 | jelly | as seen in systemd.exec(5) man page |
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| 13:18.05 | jelly | spleen: are you customizing an existing service, which one? |
| 13:18.25 | NoCode | hrm, would I be setting up the DNS "test.bytebind.com" on my domain's registrar site? |
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| 13:19.40 | NoCode | Nevermind, I got it. It was well hidden |
| 13:19.50 | jelly | NoCode: if the NS records for bytebind.com point to your registrar, most likely |
| 13:20.21 | jelly | most registrars have some sort of dns hosting and a simple UI to enter common records |
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| 13:27.17 | teraflops | telecity: no idea then :(. I have selective memory |
| 13:27.43 | spleen | jelly, thank you a lot ! |
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| 13:30.49 | twnqx | hi! how do i get apt-get to verbosely log/print every step in the configure parts of a .deb? |
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| 13:35.53 | spleen | jelly, How could source a file with systemd ? i'd like call source /folder/MyFile |
| 13:36.02 | spleen | ? |
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| 13:42.17 | NoCode | hrm, I have name servers enabled on my current domain in my registrar, added a subdomain to it, but it does not give me any type of options to allow an A record because the 4 options for name servers from my VPS are there. :| |
| 13:43.56 | jubo2 | NoCode: You need to get straight do you want to keep the DNS at the registrar or at the VPS hosting guys |
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| 13:44.36 | jubo2 | Sounds to me like you are pointing to the DNS servers at your hosting guys instead of just using what the registrar provides |
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| 13:47.05 | NoCode | If bytebind.com is using my VPS name servers, wouldn't I have to edit the A records for the sub domain? Or would I have ot edit the A records on the VPS? |
| 13:47.16 | NoCode | I'm confused |
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| 13:50.45 | caffeine | Hi, I just installed debian and have no audio. I installed pavucontrol, but that did not bring audio, I mucked with my system and now files will not even play |
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| 13:51.23 | caffeine | I have an envy24 soundcard, before the audio deaulted to hdmi audio, so I blacklisted that |
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| 13:52.12 | caffeine | I went into audio setup and selected the soundcard, but still no audio |
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| 13:56.37 | zykotick9 | caffeine: have you run "alsamixer" and unmuted yet? |
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| 13:57.21 | caffeine | zykotick9, there is no alsamixer available |
| 13:57.48 | caffeine | zykotick9, "connection refused" |
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| 13:58.08 | caffeine | zykotick9, That would be awesome if I could just run alsamixer |
| 13:58.15 | zykotick9 | caffeine: in that cae, i've got nothin' best of luck. |
| 13:59.10 | caffeine | Well, if audio files will not even play, there is an issue. These are flac files so I don't think it has to do with licensing |
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| 13:59.18 | zykotick9 | caffeine: <sidenote> debian does ship "muted" by default, and you'd _typically_ just use alsamixer to unmute... in your case??? |
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| 14:00.27 | caffeine | zykotick9, http://pastebin.com/AwJQibvs |
| 14:00.36 | jelly | spleen: you wouldn't, systemd units are config files not shell. |
| 14:00.45 | zykotick9 | caffeine: sorry i don't go to pastebin.com... what is it? |
| 14:01.05 | caffeine | zykotick9, What do you go into? |
| 14:01.15 | zykotick9 | paste.debian.net would work. |
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| 14:02.11 | caffeine | zykotick9, http://paste.debian.net/683049/ |
| 14:02.16 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell caffeine about pastebin.com |
| 14:02.52 | spleen | jelly, i have some variables set in a "default" file. Orginally, no problem with init script.But how could i use this variable with systemd ? |
| 14:02.53 | zykotick9 | caffeine: sorry, i really don't have any suggestions at all... best of luck. |
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| 14:03.49 | caffeine | It's a shame that audio does not work with debian |
| 14:04.01 | caffeine | for some machines with some audio cards |
| 14:04.07 | caffeine | :-( |
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| 14:04.23 | caffeine | The universal operating system |
| 14:04.28 | zykotick9 | caffeine: just because you and i don't know how, doesn't mean it doesn't... |
| 14:04.30 | jelly | spleen: if it's just environment variables you want to set, I think there's syntax for that as well |
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| 14:04.53 | caffeine | zykotick9, Well, maybe if we are RMS, it might worl |
| 14:04.57 | caffeine | work |
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| 14:05.22 | caffeine | We'd write the drivers for it |
| 14:05.37 | jelly | spleen: man systemd.exec, again, look for Environment= |
| 14:06.08 | jelly | caffeine: works for me! |
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| 14:06.56 | caffeine | jelly, You have an ice24 sound card? |
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| 14:07.50 | jelly | caffeine: nah, I use USB DAC stuff |
| 14:07.51 | zykotick9 | caffeine: is this a pci or usb sound card? |
| 14:08.08 | caffeine | zykotick9, PCI |
| 14:08.13 | caffeine | Jelly is just troling |
| 14:08.23 | caffeine | ; - b |
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| 14:08.47 | jelly | it's as much a trolling as "<caffeine> It's a shame that audio does not work with debian" |
| 14:08.55 | caffeine | jelly, goes to Stephen Hawking and points at his own legs "works for me!" |
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| 14:09.23 | zykotick9 | caffeine: does "lspci -nn | grep -i audio" show you card? if so, what is the pciid (looks like [8086:293e]) |
| 14:09.36 | jelly | caffeine: incidentally you want to run alsamixer as the user that logged in, not root |
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| 14:10.27 | caffeine | Well, things got a little more complicated,. audio files will not even play |
| 14:10.44 | caffeine | Whereas at fresh install they played |
| 14:11.02 | caffeine | but no sound |
| 14:11.50 | caffeine | Too much configurin' |
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| 14:15.47 | xcel | isnt ansiweather default package in raspberrypi? |
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| 14:18.15 | teraflops | xcel: is raspberry pi a linux distro? |
| 14:19.02 | xcel | raspbian |
| 14:19.03 | xcel | sorry |
| 14:19.04 | xcel | lol |
| 14:20.35 | jelly | xcel: you'll want to ask in #raspbian, about the contents of their distro |
| 14:21.36 | jelly | we're not aware of their installation contents or the full set of differences between debian and raspbian |
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| 14:23.07 | xcel | i see |
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| 14:26.14 | NoCode | Would I be setting up a rDNS name for setting up a subdomain? |
| 14:26.25 | telecity | NoCode: no |
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| 14:27.48 | telecity | NoCode: your domain's SOA is with ramnode |
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| 14:28.55 | telecity | NoCode: bytebind is not using your VPS name servers.. it uses the name servers of the ISP of your VPS |
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| 14:30.07 | telecity | NoCode: just login to your ramnode cp and configure the dns there, create either a subdomain (test.bytebind.com) with A record and point it to 168.235.68.125 OR create a CNAME pointing to bytebind.com |
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| 14:32.09 | telecity | NoCode: to see if it works just ping test.bytebind.com once everything has been created |
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| 14:34.09 | Psy-Q | i'm using firefox from http://mozilla.debian.net/, on testing i have to add unstable as a source. how do i prevent the whole system from upgrading to unstable then? |
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| 14:35.41 | telecity | Psy-Q: removing unstable as a source after installation? |
| 14:35.56 | teraflops | You added unstable to mozilla repo or to the debian ones? |
| 14:36.01 | Psy-Q | telecity: and re-enable every time a firefox update comes out? |
| 14:36.19 | Psy-Q | teraflops: to the debian one like the mozilla team says to do |
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| 14:36.35 | Psy-Q | the mozilla *debian* team i mean :) or the debian mozilla team |
| 14:36.43 | Psy-Q | actually, the debian mozilla team :) |
| 14:37.01 | teraflops | Are you sure they say so? |
| 14:37.51 | teraflops | Psy-Q: there's a mozilla.debian.net repo if I remember it correctly |
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| 14:38.02 | Psy-Q | teraflops: it's right there on their page, yes: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 14:38.10 | Psy-Q | "You need to add the following entry in /etc/apt/sources.list or a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/:" |
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| 14:38.42 | Psy-Q | i've now pinned firefox to unstable and the rest to testing, but since debian discourages pinning i'm not sure this is so great |
| 14:40.12 | teraflops | Psy-Q: I read I run <list> I want to install <list> |
| 14:40.45 | Psy-Q | teraflops: yeah, for testing and release i need to add unstable |
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| 14:41.03 | teraflops | No |
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| 14:41.44 | teraflops | You need Jessie backports from mozilla repos |
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| 14:42.05 | Psy-Q | teraflops: that's not what it tells me: http://i.imgur.com/K4TxzLe.png |
| 14:42.11 | teraflops | Psy-Q: wait are you in debian etch? |
| 14:42.17 | Psy-Q | why would i need jessie backports on testing? |
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| 14:43.25 | teraflops | Psy-Q: ah fair enough, but why do you ask this in a debian stable support channel? |
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| 14:45.25 | Psy-Q | teraflops: ah, ok, i thought it was debian in general. i did say testing though in the first comment |
| 14:45.31 | Psy-Q | will ask on #debian-next then |
| 14:45.42 | Psy-Q | aah, i can't. it's invite only |
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| 14:47.50 | themill | Psy-Q: wrong network |
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| 14:47.55 | Psy-Q | ah crap |
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| 14:50.44 | teraflops | Psy-Q: yeah sorry I didnt read the testing bit |
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| 15:03.34 | simonpatapon | hi |
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| 15:06.17 | simonpatapon | I cant seem to be able to remove strict standard errors output in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 15:06.35 | simonpatapon | i edited it, rebooted and still see the error on the website |
| 15:07.16 | zq | so i've noticed that every now and then, my hostname is changed after requesting a dhcp address from my router. is there a way to prevent this? |
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| 15:08.13 | NoCode | telecity, Alright getting somewhere. Now I have to re-create my subdomains on my server since I removed the /var/www/site.site.com and sites-available/site.site.com.conf. Not sure if that was the best plan.\ |
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| 15:10.25 | Psy-Q | teraflops: it seems the preferred way nowadays to do what i was looking for is the apt Default-Release preference |
| 15:10.29 | Psy-Q | instead of pinning |
| 15:10.35 | Psy-Q | so all is well. in case anyone else needs to do the same :) |
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| 15:12.04 | NoCode | After I configured the virtualhosts, I removed them. removed the sites-available configuration file, and the directory out of /var/www/. Will that affect anything if I recreate them? |
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| 15:16.55 | qqz | grub-legacy complains: "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x83" in spite of me having loaded the iso9660 file system |
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| 15:29.30 | incal | I have an Aiptek PocketCinema A100W, anyone knows how to get it to work on Debian? It is HDMI, the computer is VGA, with an adapter in between |
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| 15:30.47 | qqz | VGA->HDMI converters exist but they are often incompatible and produce images of poor quality |
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| 15:30.53 | qqz | ask at #hardware or so |
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| 15:31.35 | styks1987 | anyone have a quick sendmail replacement for sending any email to a single address for testing? Similar to mailhog but actually sending the email to a single address |
| 15:31.56 | incal | OK, so you think the projector works plug-and-play only the converter screws it up? |
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| 15:32.50 | incal | I have used this converter with another projector and it worked, same computer, doesn't say it should this time as well tho - drivers etc. in place? |
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| 15:36.49 | qqz | yes most time the converter fails |
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| 15:37.15 | incal | thx will try another computer with HDMI |
| 15:37.23 | Doyle | Hey. I'm noticing duplicate logs going to user.log and syslog. Where is this defined? |
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| 15:42.35 | introom | how can I download this package by means of http? |
| 15:42.36 | introom | https://packages.debian.org/sid/packaging-tutorial |
| 15:42.47 | introom | I don't want the source. I want the pdf. |
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| 15:44.03 | keltim | styks1987, ssmtp works well |
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| 15:44.41 | keltim | Doyle, rsyslog.conf |
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| 15:45.43 | keltim | Doyle, notice user.* goes to user.log, *.* goes to /var/log/syslog |
| 15:45.43 | Doyle | Thanks keltim, does user.log usually duplicate syslog? |
| 15:45.56 | keltim | Doyle, yes, here it is intentional |
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| 15:46.51 | Doyle | What's the best approach for handing server logs that are hitting both, say from mesos? |
| 15:47.17 | keltim | Doyle, you mean consuming both? and getting dupe messages? |
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| 15:47.29 | Doyle | getting dupe messages |
| 15:47.42 | Doyle | well, the same logs are hitting each file |
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| 15:48.25 | keltim | well, you could remove the rsyslog configuration that duplicates messages, or not include those log file for consumption by your log system |
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| 15:49.43 | Doyle | Thanks keltim, time to refresh my rsyslog rules know-how. |
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| 15:52.15 | arinov | hi |
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| 15:52.42 | Iridos | is there something in gnome-terminal to save the content of the terminal to a file? |
| 15:52.50 | arinov | what is the default credentials for livecd-standard? |
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| 15:56.41 | Iridos | dpkg, live login |
| 15:56.41 | dpkg | The debian-live images for Debian 8 "Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live |
| 15:56.43 | arinov | my disk was drop me into a TTY1 and i can't find any information about default login in the FAQ page |
| 15:56.53 | arinov | ok thanks |
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| 15:57.39 | Iridos | couldn't find the factoid... too much stuff with "live" in it... and yeah, couldn't really find it quickly on the net either |
| 15:58.43 | arinov | should standard live image run GUI or it is teminal based only? |
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| 15:59.45 | styks1987 | keltim: this looks close to what I want, however, I cannot determine how to make it only send to a single address. From what I read, I should be able to set root to an email address and all email should go there? |
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| 16:02.17 | Iridos | arinov, don't know. on irc.oftc.net, there is a channel #debian-live. There's only ~80 people, so maybe nobody's around, but if there is, you likely get better answers |
| 16:02.50 | arinov | Iridos: understood |
| 16:03.00 | arinov | Iridos: whats here? |
| 16:04.08 | Iridos | asking debian-live stuff here is ok, but most people probably just use a regular debian install |
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| 16:05.33 | jair | Hello hello... I am having an issue with VLC 2.2.2 opening up the movies in full screen, should I look for another channel? #vlc? |
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| 16:05.59 | Iridos | hell... seems gnome-shell doesn't allow to save to a file directly, then... I tried to copy&paste the stuff out into a vi... the cp&paste is running since I asked! |
| 16:06.20 | jair | I already try a lot of settings from the VLC forums and nothing... I wonder if the people from #ubuntu or #mint might have an idea... |
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| 16:13.23 | donald | hello every time then I send gpg --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --list-key x to get a key that I have got from gpg --keyid-format long --list-sigs A490D0F4D311A4153E2BB7CADBB802B258ACD84F (the Tails identifient) I alway get "gpg: error reading key: public key not found" |
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| 16:17.50 | ays | is there a "physics dictionary" in debian? |
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| 16:18.28 | donald | do you mean with static content from the hard disk? |
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| 16:20.26 | ays | donald : yes, I mean local content |
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| 16:25.20 | sarkis | is it possible to set: -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" globally? |
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| 16:25.42 | sarkis | i assumed it's possible in apt.conf? but Dpkg::Options - maybe this is not apt but dpkg :D |
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| 16:25.54 | sarkis | not sure if theres a dpkg global cojnf |
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| 16:26.55 | kayhayen | Hello there, I am on a relatively fresh Stretch install, with gdm3, and right after boot, it will show a power button icon, but no options there |
| 16:27.15 | kayhayen | any idea how systemd and gdm3 agree on who is in charge |
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| 16:28.20 | kayhayen | and then, when powerbutton hibernates with a user locked in, after resume, BIOS and Grub2 habe no keyboard control. Plus power on via keyboard happens despite being disabled in BIOS. How is that even possible. |
| 16:30.20 | Iridos | kayhayen, guess things being wrong is normal for testing... speak with #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, that focuses on testing/unstable systems |
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| 16:30.59 | kayhayen | I see, thanks for the pointer Iridos |
| 16:31.34 | kayhayen | seems it takes an invivitation to enter debian-next :) |
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| 16:31.54 | greycat | No, it takes being on the correct network. |
| 16:31.54 | Iridos | you might try reading my sentence until the end |
| 16:32.08 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 16:32.08 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:32.11 | kayhayen | You mean, I need to go to that precise server too. |
| 16:32.40 | Iridos | this here is freenode, most official debian channels are on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:33.44 | leba2 | Do you think samba4.2 badlock fixes have been already pushed to debian jessie repos? |
| 16:34.05 | leba2 | *recent badlock fixes |
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| 16:34.13 | greycat | Is there a debian bug report for it? |
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| 16:35.18 | kayhayen | thanks for the pointer again, bye |
| 16:35.20 | leba2 | greycat: no idea! But the recent badlock issue was everything but false: http://rhelblog.redhat.com/2016/04/15/how-badlock-was-discovered-and-fixed/ |
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| 16:35.31 | dax | leba2: yes, it's fixed in jessie-security, https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-2118 |
| 16:35.32 | leba2 | And I'd like to use debian for an ad dc... |
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| 16:36.23 | greycat | Oh, if "badlock" is a security hole and not just a bug then it should get fixed very quickly. If not already. |
| 16:36.31 | leba2 | dax: so it's just a matter of running a software update in debian? Or even just installing samba4.2 if starting a fresh debian install? |
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| 16:36.39 | leba2 | Ah, thanks. |
| 16:36.47 | dax | leba2: assuming you don't disable jessie-security, yes |
| 16:37.09 | leba2 | jessie-security comes enabled by default, right? |
| 16:37.16 | dax | yes |
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| 16:37.40 | greycat | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-5370 |
| 16:37.55 | greycat | This was fixed by the 4.2 push-out, allegedly. |
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| 16:38.45 | introom | anso I installed the 'dh-make' |
| 16:38.48 | Iridos | didn't one of the bots have a cve command/factoid that'd show the title and produce the link? |
| 16:38.49 | introom | but command not found. |
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| 16:39.29 | greycat | Probably. |
| 16:39.37 | greycat | judd help |
| 16:39.37 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 16:39.42 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 16:40.53 | Vanfanel | Hi. Do you know what kernel configuration setting could I check if my Debian system is ignoring /etc/security/limits.conf? |
| 16:40.54 | jernest | Can anyone tell me what steps I need to take in order to get the package "sudo apt-get install bluez" getting the source, and recompiling it the way Raspbian did for 5.23? I run sudo apt-get source --compile bluez, then I try to dpkg -i each .deb, but it says it's downgrading 5.23_2+rpi to 5.23_2 and then breaks my bluetooth. |
| 16:41.16 | greycat | Vanfanel: that has *nothing* to do with the kernel. It's enforced by PAM in userspace only on services so marked in your PAM conf. |
| 16:41.17 | leba2 | Oohhh |
| 16:41.22 | leba2 | Heil debian. |
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| 16:41.47 | jernest | Also if I try just compiling any version of Bluez 5.23 and above up to 5.39 from a tarball and installing it still breaks my bluetooth (bdaddr AA:AA:AA:AA:AA:AA) |
| 16:42.20 | Vanfanel | greycat: are you sure? I have two kernels here, both using the same rootfs, one takes the limits.conf into account and the other ignores it |
| 16:42.38 | jernest | I've been on this for a few days and am extremely frustrated someone please help. |
| 16:42.45 | greycat | Vanfanel: it's enforced by pam_limits |
| 16:42.56 | Iridos | don't think it was judd... at least don't see anything there (it's "list" - or likely "list Judd" because it should be one of the judd-specific plugins) |
| 16:42.56 | greycat | grep -r pam_limits /etc/pam* |
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| 16:44.27 | Vanfanel | greycat: http://pastebin.com/Y6zRsHB8 |
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| 16:44.58 | Vanfanel | greycat: seems ok to me |
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| 16:45.13 | greycat | Yes, right, so *those* are the userspace services/programs that enforce pam_limits. Nothing else. |
| 16:45.26 | Vanfanel | in fact it works with the stock kernel but not with my custom kernel |
| 16:45.43 | greycat | WHAT works? WHAT doesn't work? |
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| 16:46.28 | Vanfanel | greycat: setting an unlimited ammount of memory to max memory lock, for example |
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| 16:47.19 | greycat | In what program? How did you execute the program? What other resource limit changes might be affecting the program before you query it? How do you know the limit is not what you wanted? |
| 16:47.32 | Iridos | jernest, how are we supposed to know "the way Raspbian did" change a package? If you want to modify a debian package, you can do that by running dpkg-buildpackage -uc inside the tree |
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| 16:48.03 | jernest | I'm not asking specifically how to build it, just how to recreate the steps to build |
| 16:48.06 | Iridos | jernest, if you do apt-get -b source xxx, apt will always do the whole unpack/patch/compile thing and any modification is lost |
| 16:48.12 | greycat | jernest: /msg dpkg source |
| 16:48.42 | jernest | Long story short I need to make some modifications to the Gatt server inside of Bluez, and it's compiled in as a "plugin" |
| 16:48.57 | greycat | extract the debianized source, make your modifications, build the debs |
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| 16:49.28 | jernest | but I have to do it whatever way they do it because some patches are apparently applied and some other commands that are different from the original source of Bluez to get it working on the Raspberry Pi 3. |
| 16:49.32 | Vanfanel | greycat: wait wait wait... I am totally stupid. It DOES modify the memory lock max. But it's though ssh that I get: max locked memory (kbytes, -l) 64 |
| 16:49.44 | Vanfanel | greycat: I am using simply ulimit -l |
| 16:50.17 | Vanfanel | greycat: so these limits in limits.conf are not applicable if I log in using ssh? |
| 16:50.28 | greycat | Double-check that your /etc/pam.d/sshd is set correctly, restart ssh if necessary, and make sure none of your SHELL DOT FILES are overriding the limit. |
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| 16:50.50 | greycat | You might be doing a ulimit command in ~/.bash_profile or something, which would decrease the limit. |
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| 16:51.34 | jernest | Iridos: If I understand you right, I can't run apt-get -b source bluez and then just modify the files, recompile and build? |
| 16:51.49 | greycat | You can, but the rebuild step would not be done with apt-get. |
| 16:51.54 | jernest | Sorry I'm kind of new at this, just got the basics down |
| 16:52.44 | jernest | How would I make changes to the source and then have it rebuilt the apt-get why? |
| 16:52.46 | jernest | *way |
| 16:52.55 | greycat | jernest: /msg dpkg source |
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| 16:53.00 | jernest | I did |
| 16:53.22 | greycat | Continue asking it things, as indicated by the <triggers> in <angle brackets>. |
| 16:53.41 | jernest | I tried those steps, just need to know what to do after it creates the .deb files (there were many) |
| 16:53.59 | jernest | doing dpkg -i on all of them didn't get the desired result |
| 16:55.18 | greycat | The most likely issue is that you forgot to edit the changes file, so it didn't actually build a new version. |
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| 16:55.38 | greycat | changelist, changes, changes.Debian, whatever it is. I don't have one handy. |
| 16:55.44 | greycat | !dcl |
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| 16:58.41 | jernest | I looked at package recompile but it did steps I already tried and didn't work. Originally I tried sudo apt-get source bluez. Then I cd'd into the dir and ran debian/rules, and it says libbluetooth.so.3 was missing. |
| 16:59.02 | greycat | Then how did it build the .deb files? |
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| 16:59.18 | jernest | So, I went back and ran sudo apt-get source --compile bluez, and it went all the way through and patched some files, then did the build, and generated some .deb files |
| 17:00.12 | jernest | So I tried doing dpkg -i on each package it built (there were several like bluez, libbluetooth, etc), and it said downgrading 5.23_2+rpi to 5.23_2 |
| 17:00.54 | jernest | Then on reboot the bluetooth adapter wouldn't work (bdaddr AA:AA:AA:AA:AA:AA), so I ran sudo apt-get remove bluez, then sudo apt-get install bluez, then sudo reboot, and bluetooth was back |
| 17:00.57 | greycat | Redoing apt-get source blew away your changes, or at best it gave you the original debs back in a different hierarchy. |
| 17:01.05 | greycat | Why are you not able to understand this? |
| 17:01.27 | Putti | I want to cross compile arm code on x86 but I am missing glibc. Does someone know if I can download glibc for cross compiling purposes in debian jessie or is it only in sid? |
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| 17:02.03 | jernest | Why? Because I haven't MADE any changes yet, I'm just getting it to compile first so I can ensure that what I'm building is the same as what was released. So that once I know that THAT is working, I can make changes and rebuild so I can modify the Gatt server. |
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| 17:03.05 | jernest | It makes no sense for me to make a whole bunch of changes to something that's not even working, so the source needs to compile, and install, EXACTLY the same way that sudo apt-get install does. |
| 17:03.05 | Iridos | jernest, the 5.23_2+rpi sounds a lot like a raspberry pi package... if we're not talking about debian you should ask #raspberrypi |
| 17:03.11 | greycat | !dch |
| 17:03.12 | dpkg | well, dch is a tool from the <devscripts> package that is used to manipulate changelog entries in Debian source packages. It helps get the formatting right in the changelog entry and opens the changelog in your chosen editor. dch can set versions, target releases, add template information for closing bugs, etc. It's also known as "debchange". |
| 17:03.34 | jernest | That's what installs apparently when I type sudo apt-get install bluez |
| 17:03.43 | greycat | ,v bluez |
| 17:03.44 | judd | Package: bluez on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.66-3; wheezy: 4.99-2; jessie: 5.23-2+b1; sid: 5.36-1; stretch: 5.36-1 |
| 17:03.58 | jernest | ok and I've asked and nobody in #raspbian knows anything about installing from source, apparently... |
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| 17:04.16 | jernest | This is frustration as hell just trying to get some help with getting a package compiled. |
| 17:04.22 | Vanfanel | greycat: the probem is that this system uses dropbear, not sshd, so what file should I check to try the limits.conf settings to be applied to ssh logins? |
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| 17:04.58 | greycat | Vanfanel: you would probably have to create a dropbear pam config, assuming dropbear is actually linked with libpam, which it might not be. I don't know. |
| 17:05.26 | Iridos | but we don't know about what raspbian did to their packages... and so we can (and want to) only answer questions for issues on debian systems here |
| 17:05.41 | Vanfanel | greycat: thanks for the ideas anyway, I will check if it's linked or not :) |
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| 17:06.36 | jernest | I have no idea what all they've done, but whatever they've done, it runs when I do "sudo apt-get install bluez." |
| 17:06.51 | Iridos | that's the binary package |
| 17:06.57 | jernest | So in theory, if I get "sudo apt-get source bluez" like I've done, shouldn't it have the same files? |
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| 17:07.09 | jernest | And if not, how do I go about getting the files? |
| 17:07.15 | jernest | I have no clue |
| 17:07.26 | Iridos | and for debian packages I've never seen the case that recompiling from source with apt-get -b source xxx produces anything different |
| 17:08.35 | jernest | well I didn't try with -b I did --compile, which was my whole entire question in the first place of what happens behind the scenes when you run -b vs. --compile, apparently it's more than just dpkg -i so it would seem. |
| 17:09.11 | Iridos | of course it is |
| 17:09.32 | jernest | So yes maybe they did do some things, but how in the hell do I find out? Nobody seems to know. |
| 17:09.36 | greycat | jernest: *plonk* |
| 17:09.48 | greycat | Off topic, does not read answers, does not apply knowledge given. |
| 17:09.49 | Iridos | making and installing a .deb file isn't the same... that's why you tried to install it afterwards |
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| 17:10.52 | jernest | Yeah because it seemed like it would be a logical course of action to do step 1 before step 2, that is, make sure it compiles, then once that's done make sure it builds |
| 17:11.15 | jernest | I can run the -b and that's fine, but didn't you guys say earlier that it would overwrite any changes I will potentially make anyway? |
| 17:11.41 | Iridos | -b, --compile, --build are synonyms according to the man-page |
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| 17:12.05 | Iridos | yes, and I also told you what to do instead so that changes don't get overwritten |
| 17:12.21 | Iridos | anyway, it's offtopic here, ask #raspbian |
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| 17:13.17 | jernest | I asked in #raspbian |
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| 17:13.48 | Iridos | that doesn't make it on-topic here |
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| 17:14.00 | H4ndy | I just read about the problem with entropy on headless servers after seeing that my pool is pretty much below 100 all the time regarind to netdata |
| 17:14.04 | jernest | I don't see a message with you telling me what to do so the changes won't be overwritten, what is that again? |
| 17:14.10 | H4ndy | is haveged still the way to go?` |
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| 17:14.29 | H4ndy | *regarding to |
| 17:14.42 | panjim | anyone has rooted any phone? |
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| 17:15.01 | H4ndy | I used to until Android 5 hit |
| 17:15.08 | H4ndy | dont need it anymore since then |
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| 17:15.47 | jernest | Let me try rephrasing this a different way. |
| 17:16.06 | jelly | H4ndy: haveged is a decent workaround, yes |
| 17:16.13 | jernest | If I've built a package with --compile (or -b, or whatever), what do I do with it next to install? |
| 17:16.42 | H4ndy | jelly: thanks. It seems to work as intended, was just curious |
| 17:16.43 | jernest | I tried dpkg -i on each package and I did not get the same result as I did running sudo apt-get install bluez |
| 17:16.45 | panjim | which hardwarefeatures gets unlocked after rooting a phone? |
| 17:17.45 | jelly | H4ndy: ubuntu have an interesting setup with a remote daemon providing entropy and a client that works early in userspace, but I forget the name |
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| 17:18.40 | jelly | panjim: this doesn't sound like a Debian-specific issue, and this channel is for questions about debian. You may want to find an android or iOS channel instead |
| 17:18.54 | panjim | ok thank jelly |
| 17:19.03 | Iridos | jernest, " If you want to modify a debian package, you can do that by running dpkg-buildpackage -uc inside the tree" |
| 17:19.21 | jernest | Oh let me explain on that one |
| 17:20.14 | jernest | I tried that earlier and had some issues both with running dpkg-buildpackage -uc in the tree and also running debian/rules binary it gave me some error about libbluetooth.so.3 being missing |
| 17:20.15 | Iridos | jernest, no. go to #raspian or look at their wiki. it's offtopic here (and rather pointless) |
| 17:20.20 | jelly | panjim: you can search channels on freenode (this irc network) by asking a bot, eg: /msg alis list *android* -min 100 |
| 17:20.49 | jernest | Alright, I'm getting out of your hair since you guys don't know anything |
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| 17:20.54 | panjim | yeah i love that command jelly |
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| 17:21.34 | jelly | panjim: you'll find there's a very specific #android-root channel, in this case |
| 17:22.20 | panjim | yeah i found it thanks jelly |
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| 17:36.12 | kirkland | jelly: the client is pollinate, the server is pollen, which is hosted at entropy.ubuntu.com |
| 17:36.36 | kirkland | jelly: it's only really for improving the initial prng seed, rather than ongoing entropy |
| 17:36.57 | kirkland | jelly: H4ndy: details at http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2014/02/random-seeds-in-ubuntu-1404-lts-cloud.html |
| 17:37.15 | H4ndy | thanks a lot |
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| 17:43.41 | gluon | i wonder what frontend people use more these days as users: the older lower level apt-get/cache, apt or aptitude? |
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| 17:44.32 | abrotman | depends on needs |
| 17:44.37 | ipatrol | gluon: I use aptitude, though I suspect a lot of commands are run as apt-get because most online instructions are written that way |
| 17:44.57 | greycat | I still use apt-cache/apt-get because that's what I learned. |
| 17:45.12 | telecity | I'm an apt-get-er as well |
| 17:45.37 | gluon | i used apt-get for a long long time but i've been trying apt recently |
| 17:45.44 | gluon | it does it job well too |
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| 17:46.28 | telecity | what made you switch |
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| 17:46.37 | H4ndy | I switched to "apt" with Jessie, it much easier on the command line with inline scrolling and progress |
| 17:46.45 | H4ndy | and pretty much works like apt-get |
| 17:47.00 | H4ndy | I always felt aptitude to be really hard to navigate |
| 17:47.21 | gluon | same reasons as H4ndy |
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| 17:48.05 | Cyoux | Hi, I have a MacBook Pro with Jessie and kernel 4.4 from backports. When I insert a SD-Card it is not detected. No sign in /var/log/messages or syslog. There is only /dev/sda(1-3). Where could I start looking? |
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| 17:48.36 | gluon | and also because apt upgrade is more convenient than apt-get dist-upgrade âwith-new-pkgs |
| 17:48.43 | gluon | but yeah, small details |
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| 17:49.14 | H4ndy | the first thing I do tho is setting alias aptlist='apt list --upgradable' ^ |
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| 17:49.29 | gluon | hehe handy one H4ndy |
| 17:49.30 | H4ndy | the command is so... clunky |
| 17:49.59 | H4ndy | sees what you did there |
| 17:50.03 | gluon | :D |
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| 17:56.41 | panjim | whcih server software do yuou use from phone? |
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| 18:00.12 | Putti | Is it still possible to boot debian without initramfs/initrd? If so, how? |
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| 18:01.07 | Putti | I mean I tried init=/bin/bash on grub menu but didn't seem to work |
| 18:01.22 | jelly | Putti: custom kernel with all the drivers and probably not with systemd |
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| 18:01.49 | jelly | haven't really tried it since... squeeze or so |
| 18:01.54 | Putti | jelly, okay, thanks! :) |
| 18:02.14 | jelly | "why" |
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| 18:02.29 | Putti | because it would be cool xD |
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| 18:04.04 | jelly | we've been there. initrd is a lot more cool |
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| 18:06.41 | Devastator | This is probably not the right channel to ask, but I'm trying to learn KVM and for that I'm installing Debian 8.4 from scratch on a computer and I wonder if I need some special partition scheme for that |
| 18:07.01 | Devastator | unfortunately #kvm is rather silent.. |
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| 18:08.03 | Putti | Devastator, maybe the wiki page will also help you: https://wiki.debian.org/KVM .. in case you haven't checked it yet :) |
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| 18:09.32 | jmcnaught | Devastator: you don't need a special partition scheme for the host OS, but it can be useful. If you are using libvirt the default place it will put VM image files is /var/lib/libvirt/images/ (so you could simply make sure there is lots of room there). I like to have a separate LVM volume group for libvirt, and each VM gets a logical volume as its "image" |
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| 18:12.36 | Devastator | Putti, jmcnaught thanks! |
| 18:12.51 | NoCode | "Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory" when restarting apache. Any ideas? |
| 18:13.05 | NoCode | Used systemctl apache restart |
| 18:13.12 | awwal | Looking for a word processor alternative. Apart libreoffice, abiword, texlive stuff and calligra, is there any lightweight pkg (just word)? |
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| 18:13.35 | Devastator | jmcnaught so "Guided - use entire disk and set up LVM" would be my pick, right? |
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| 18:15.31 | jmcnaught | Devastator: it could be, but that would set you up with a single volume group using all of the space available on the drive. libvirt *can* use the VG of the host OS as a storage pool, but my preference is for it to have a separate VG |
| 18:16.32 | Devastator | jmcnaught "Guided - use entire disk" then? |
| 18:16.45 | Devastator | jmcnaught sorry, I'm a bit lost here hehe |
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| 18:18.54 | jmcnaught | Devastator: that would use the entire disk without LVM. If you're new to LVM you may want to read [1]. How many disks does the computer have? If you only have one, you may want to partition it into two LVM physical volumes, one each for the host volume group and libvirt volume group. [1] https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration/ |
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| 18:19.34 | Devastator | jmcnaught thank you sir, yes, I'm new to LVM |
| 18:19.47 | Devastator | reading your link as we speak |
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| 18:20.35 | Devastator | jmcnaught the computer has only one disk, yes, so I think "Guided - use entire disk and set up LVM" is the right pick here, no? |
| 18:20.37 | HarveyPwca | awwal: How "light" do you want it to be? I rarely use anything except a text editor myself. |
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| 18:22.05 | jmcnaught | Devastator: although that is from RHEL most of it is relevant to Jessie. If you're new to LVM simply using image files and making sure there is lots of room in /var/lib/libvirt/images (which would be the case for "Guided ... LVM") is probably fine |
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| 18:23.06 | jmcnaught | Devastator: then you can learn LVM using virtual machines, and if you decide it's useful you can always add a new HDD and use it for a new LVM volume group for your libvirt VMs |
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| 18:24.34 | awwal | HarveyPwca, lighter then abiword , lol. Seems that there is no a real alternative to the pkgs I listed. So what you do if you want a word document(odf/microsoft)? plain text and export to word using extra tools? |
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| 18:25.28 | Kentsfield | Hello guys, I have a question... I am a bit worried that my system/network has been "hacked" |
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| 18:26.13 | Kentsfield | I have a 19" server with debian jessie, which I installed only 2 weeks ago. There was not much installed afterwards, screen, a gameserver and so on. But nothing which could be a big deal, you know |
| 18:26.50 | HarveyPwca | If someone sends me a $M document I either convert it to pdf and use evince to view it or I open it in Abiword. Depends really on who is sending the document to me and whether I can trust them. |
| 18:26.53 | Devastator | jmcnaught ok, it allowed me to separate /home, /var and /tmp into different partitions, HDD size is 500GB, /home is with 478.9GB, / is with 9GB, swap 8.6GB, /tmp with 398.5MB, /var with 3GB, /boot with 254.8MB, should I edit it to give /var more space? |
| 18:26.56 | Kentsfield | since the server stands in another room, I use the IPMI interface to start/shutdown the server. And I am pretty sure that I shut it down the last time I used it. Today I got home and found the server _running_... |
| 18:27.10 | jmcnaught | awwal: abiword *is* really light in my experience. i have run it on an openmoko with 400 MHz ARM and 128 MB of RAM |
| 18:28.06 | Kentsfield | uptime 4 days. But what really worries me, is that theres a pid called "exim4" running. I googled a bit and found out, that exim4 is a mail tool, which I definetly didn't install. |
| 18:28.15 | jmcnaught | Devastator: just use "all in one partition". do you have a special reason to need it divided up like that. it's pretty common to see people divide it up and then run into problems later one because something is too small |
| 18:28.21 | HarveyPwca | If someone needs something from me I send it as a pdf file. |
| 18:28.29 | markybob | Kentsfield: exim is installed by default. |
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| 18:28.39 | Kentsfield | ah okay... phew, that really helps |
| 18:28.45 | awwal | jmcnaught, right, and I have it; just wanted to try something different... |
| 18:28.46 | Kentsfield | I was not sure if exim is installed by default. |
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| 18:29.18 | Cyoux | Kentsfield, I recommend reading the "Debian Administrators Handbook" |
| 18:29.21 | jelly | Kentsfield: if you chose the server task in the installer, it would have gotten installed then |
| 18:29.21 | Kentsfield | it was just strange, that it was running as a deamon with the parameters exim4 -bd -q30m. I never started it. |
| 18:29.44 | jelly | Kentsfield: you also have a dozen other daemons running |
| 18:29.46 | markybob | Kentsfield: you don't need to start it. it starts by default |
| 18:29.46 | Devastator | jmcnaught well, I usually separate /home, so if system borks I can probably mount /home on the new system, assuming it was not a hardware (HDD) problem |
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| 18:30.15 | jelly | Kentsfield: systemd, atd, crond, rsyslog, sshd very likely... |
| 18:30.43 | Kentsfield | I do. First - Thanks for helping me. 2nd - Sorry for asking those stupid questions, but I know that my main pc had a trojan a few weeks ago. I used dban to wipe all hdds and clean installed a new OS without saving any data. |
| 18:31.08 | Kentsfield | yes, they're running too. But I know that they get started automatically |
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| 18:31.29 | jelly | and so did exim, it just has no "d" at the end for some reason |
| 18:32.09 | Kentsfield | for what is the param d good for? |
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| 18:33.23 | Kentsfield | ah, man says debug - If I got this right |
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| 18:33.45 | jmcnaught | awwal: have you tried Lyx? that's pretty different |
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| 18:34.08 | Devastator | jmcnaught I think I'm gonna separate just /home then and move on, for a first time I think it is ok |
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| 18:35.09 | Devastator | unless you have another advice :) |
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| 18:38.22 | Kentsfield | okay, next task is to find out how to hold libvirt the right way :) |
| 18:38.25 | Devastator | also, can the host be one server (http server for example) and the guest be another server (mail server)? |
| 18:39.03 | jmcnaught | Devastator: just make sure that rootfs (/) is large enough for however many image files you think you'll use. Keep in mind that it's pretty easy to use 15GB or more just for the host OS with desktop environment, applications and games |
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| 18:39.51 | jmcnaught | Devastator: yes of course, but you might find it more useful to have all the servers be contained in VMs. |
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| 18:47.42 | awwal | jmcnaught, never tried lyx. I have seen it via apt search/description but not sure what is it exactly, if it have a gui and abe to create word files just as I do with libreofficw writer and abiword |
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| 18:49.56 | jmcnaught | awwal: maybe not word files, but it's a What You See Is What You Mean document processor based on LaTeX that lets you focus on the content and it handles the styling |
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| 18:51.57 | leba2 | A samba4.2 ad dc requires winbind, right? Or am I confusing? |
| 18:51.58 | awwal | jmcnaught, ok. I'm going to try it in my jessie VM and see whats exactly |
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| 18:55.10 | leba2 | Does a samba4.2 ad dc requires winbind installed as well? |
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| 18:56.12 | Guesf_87875 | http://101img.com/img-5730d6c1e8d4b.html |
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| 18:58.04 | wsky | can someone help me finding out why hinbernetion randomly works or fails to work on my debian jessie? |
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| 18:58.33 | awwal | :) lyx without recommends 55 mb, with recommends 1 gb + 200 mb :) trying if useful without recommends ... |
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| 18:59.37 | jmcnaught | awwal: installing it without recommends is probably a lot less informative than reading its website or watching a youtube video about it to see how it works |
| 18:59.54 | wsky | sometimes i get only kernel: [14266.139635] PM: Hibernation mode set to 'platform' at the end of /var/log/debug and that's it, it does not hibernate |
| 19:00.19 | wsky | and sometimes, usually right after i boot the system it's working perfectly fine |
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| 19:00.31 | Devastator | jmcnaught got it, strangely enough, when I try to separate just /home, it wants to use ext2 on /boot, is this normal? |
| 19:01.02 | markybob | Devastator: yes |
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| 19:01.26 | jmcnaught | Devastator: yeah that's normal. i think it's in case grub-legacy gets used which has some limitations with ext3/ext4 |
| 19:01.39 | awwal | jmcnaught, good idea. but I'll try it in my VM anyway. that why I have a jessie VM in my jessie host :P I try stuff in VM, if all good I install in real system :) |
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| 19:02.57 | awwal | I'm a precocious user, trying to keep my system clean and at minimals all the time :P |
| 19:03.20 | greycat | Not sure what word you meant, but "precocious" wasn't it. |
| 19:03.58 | jmcnaught | awwal: not a bad policy, but next time give your VM enough room to install the recommends. they are recommended after all. |
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| 19:07.25 | Iridos | isn't there another pdf2svg? I thought I could convert pdf with the text left as text more successfully than now |
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| 19:09.16 | awwal | jmcnaught, yes. next time I'll have to create a virtual disk with a dynamically allocated file instead of a fixed size one ... |
| 19:10.21 | awwal | seems that fixed size is more faster regarding vbox docs, |
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| 19:10.40 | wsky | why would hibernation randomly fail to work? |
| 19:10.56 | wsky | with no information in dmesg |
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| 19:11.38 | wsky | sometimes it just freezes the screen and all hid but the hdd led still blinks from time to time |
| 19:12.10 | wsky | but the system refuses to get dumped into swap and the sleep led wont blink neither |
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| 19:12.42 | wsky | i just found out that there is a hibernation test possible |
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| 19:12.59 | wsky | set via /sys/power/pm_test |
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| 19:14.03 | wsky | it's annoying |
| 19:14.12 | awwal | wsky, check https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt it may give you pistes |
| 19:14.21 | wsky | yeah i've seen that |
| 19:14.24 | wsky | i'm doing the test |
| 19:14.32 | wsky | but as i said, it happens randomly |
| 19:14.48 | wsky | it fails to work some time after i boot the machine |
| 19:15.08 | awwal | systemd is related too , i think |
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| 19:28.26 | ipatrol | how do I bridge a host connected to a machine that is not the router? |
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| 19:30.09 | markybob | ipatrol: i assume this is what you mean https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Internet_sharing |
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| 19:30.18 | ipatrol | markybob: no, not at all |
| 19:30.48 | ipatrol | I have a network drive connected to my ethernet port, and I want to share it with the 802.11 network I'm on |
| 19:31.11 | greycat | Mount it, then share it. |
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| 19:34.53 | ipatrol | greycat: it's an AFT |
| 19:34.57 | ipatrol | *AFP |
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| 19:35.18 | ipatrol | I don't even know if it's actually a filesystem anywhere |
| 19:35.47 | greycat | Then I haven't got the slightest clue what you mean by "network drive". (Or "AFP".) |
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| 19:36.42 | ipatrol | Apple File Protocol |
| 19:36.56 | ipatrol | *Filing |
| 19:37.06 | ipatrol | why WD decided to use it I'll never know |
| 19:37.28 | greycat | I know nothing about Apple. |
| 19:38.41 | greycat | !afp |
| 19:38.41 | dpkg | The Apple Filing Protocol (AFP, formerly AppleTalk Filing Protocol) is a proprietary network protocol providing file services for Mac OS X. Ask me about <netatalk> (AFP server) and <afpfs-ng> (AFP client). Not to be confused with <afs>. |
| 19:39.26 | Devastator | jmcnaught just for you to know, I partitioned it manually as this: 255MB for /boot as ext2, 499GB as lvm, being 100GB for /home, 8.6GB for swap and / with the rest |
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| 19:40.31 | bogdanovby | test00 |
| 19:40.36 | jelly | Devastator: "/ with the rest" is silly, leave space unallocated in the VG instead |
| 19:41.02 | Devastator | jelly oh god.. let me start over then.. |
| 19:41.19 | jelly | bogdanovby: test failed. |
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| 19:41.49 | wsky | jelly: have you got any thoughts on the issue of mine? |
| 19:41.55 | jmcnaught | Devastator: that 499 as LVM, is that a partition used as a physical volume for LVM? The others, are they also in a separate LVM VG, or just plain partitions? |
| 19:42.00 | jelly | wsky: no, did not read it |
| 19:42.00 | wsky | jelly: the one about hibernation failing |
| 19:42.10 | wsky | 21:10:40 < wsky> why would hibernation randomly fail to work? |
| 19:42.10 | wsky | 21:10:56 < wsky> with no information in dmesg |
| 19:42.11 | ewew | Hi. Did someone had a issue with devpts permision setting. In my case the system seams ignoring /etc/default/devpts on systemd system. |
| 19:42.13 | Devastator | jelly how much space should I leave unallocated? |
| 19:42.14 | wsky | 21:11:38 < wsky> sometimes it just freezes the screen and all hid but the hdd led still blinks from time to time |
| 19:42.17 | wsky | 21:12:10 < wsky> but the system refuses to get dumped into swap and the sleep led wont blink neither |
| 19:43.06 | wsky | jelly: it usually happens after the os ran for few hours, whenever i try hibernating right after it boots it works flawlessly |
| 19:43.06 | Devastator | jmcnaught for the former, yes, for the latter partitions inside the same LVM VG |
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| 19:43.25 | jelly | Devastator: dunno, all the space you're not planning to use right away in the first 6-12 months? |
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| 19:44.00 | jelly | wsky: sorry, too complex to read right now |
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| 19:44.35 | jmcnaught | wsky: in general, find clues in the logs at the time of the attempted hibernation |
| 19:44.59 | wsky | the only thing i get in /var/log/debug when it fails is |
| 19:45.00 | jelly | chooses to deal with easy or simple questions only when tired |
| 19:45.27 | wsky | PM: Hibernation mode set to 'platform' |
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| 19:45.40 | wsky | and then it goes silent, no more messages untill next boot |
| 19:46.15 | wsky | i will try to use the kernel's hibernation testing functionality |
| 19:46.34 | wsky | well that's what i'm using atm but the tests pass flawlessly |
| 19:46.51 | jelly | Devastator: may as well learn to call those slices inside the VG logical volumes, LVs not partitions. Helps distinguish them from using an actual partition as a LVM PV |
| 19:47.22 | Devastator | jelly I see, this is my first time with LVM, I did this because I want to use KVM and it was suggested that I create LVM so I could manage the VMs separately, or, as I consider, "the right way" |
| 19:48.30 | jelly | Devastator: seems sensible, but if you leave space unallocated you'll be able to try out giving whole LVs as raw disks to kvm |
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| 19:49.39 | jelly | instead of, or in addition to, giving each VM an image files on the (/) filesystem |
| 19:49.40 | Devastator | jelly interesting, let me start over, would you consider suggesting a partition scheme when I open the partitioner? |
| 19:49.49 | jmcnaught | Devastator: simply using image files in /var/lib/libvirt/images is also a "right way". "My way" is i have a 250GB SSD and a 500GB HDD. The SSD is partitioned into two LVM PVs. I have a VG using one of the SSD's PVs for the host OS. I have a second VG composed of the second SSD PV and the HDD for libvirt |
| 19:50.20 | jelly | Devastator: this setup was mostly optimal, apart from leaving some space in the VG unused |
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| 19:51.13 | Devastator | let me get this straight: LVM PV = Partition Volume, LVM VG = Volume Group, LVM LV = Logical Volume, correct? |
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| 19:51.29 | greycat | PV = "physical volume", an actual disk. |
| 19:51.50 | greycat | VG = "volume group", a group of PVs that act as a virtual disk |
| 19:52.45 | jmcnaught | wsky: i find journalctl quite useful with persistent journal enabled (see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian). You can use a command like "journalctl --boot=-1 --lines=20" to see the last 20 lines of the previous boot |
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| 19:53.40 | jelly | (that group may be composed of a mere single PV) |
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| 19:54.00 | user | hi I'm new to debian |
| 19:54.08 | jmcnaught | Devastator: that RHEL LVM manual i linked to earlier has a decent overview of the concepts with pictures to illustrate PVs, VGs, LVs etc. |
| 19:54.09 | user | how do I modify the keyboard layout in the login manager? |
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| 19:56.04 | jmcnaught | user: "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" should do it |
| 19:56.51 | Devastator | ok, partitioner is open, I have it like this: 255MB for /boot, 499GB for lvm, so maybe I can do it like this: 100GB for /home, 8.6GB for swap, 100GB for / and the rest unallocated, all in the same VG, makes sense? |
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| 19:57.08 | user | thanks jmcnaught |
| 19:57.14 | user | i'll try it |
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| 19:58.45 | user | command not found? |
| 19:58.52 | user | do I have to sudo? |
| 19:58.56 | greycat | yes |
| 19:59.07 | greycat | (or, since sudo may not be installed, you might have to su) |
| 19:59.12 | jmcnaught | Devastator: sounds pretty reasonable. Keep in mind when you add the LVM VG as a storage pool to libvirt, users in the libvirt group (that have access to libvirt) will be able to do things like delete LVs in that VG. It is because I didn't want my root, swap, home LVs to be visible in the libvirt storage pool that I use a separate VG for libvirt |
| 19:59.31 | user | I've installed it, so it's fine :) greycat |
| 19:59.37 | jelly | Devastator: yes, except I'd make home even smaller since it's trivial to grow an ext3/ext4 on lv online while it's not trivial to shrink it. |
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| 20:00.22 | Devastator | jelly 60GB maybe? |
| 20:00.32 | Devastator | jmcnaught interesting! |
| 20:00.33 | jelly | yeah |
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| 20:01.51 | Devastator | jmcnaught so one VG is /, swap and /home, the other is /var/lib/libvirt/images? |
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| 20:02.44 | jmcnaught | Devastator: close. One VG is /, swap, /home. The other is a bunch of LVs one for each virtual machine |
| 20:03.16 | wsky | jmcnaught: so i've just filled 80% of memory with stress and it seems to fail to hibernate whenever the memory usage is high |
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| 20:03.54 | jmcnaught | wsky: perhaps your swap is not large enough? |
| 20:04.01 | wsky | it is |
| 20:04.08 | wsky | it is 10G when my memory is 8 |
| 20:04.21 | markybob | wsky: it has to be at least 2x ram |
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| 20:04.33 | wsky | no it has to be not |
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| 20:04.49 | jelly | wsky: and none of that particular swap space is in use before the hibernation attempt? |
| 20:04.51 | markybob | for hibernation to be reliable it sure does |
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| 20:05.10 | wsky | jelly: correct |
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| 20:05.23 | Omilun_ | hello . i am using a thinkpad laptop (t430s) . it has some gadget key on keyboard and top of keyboard . but thay are not useable on debian . how can i use all of these? |
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| 20:05.35 | wsky | might be worth mentioning that i've re-formated the swap lvm partition |
| 20:05.44 | wsky | so the uuid is different |
| 20:05.56 | Devastator | jmcnaught interesting, if I'm getting it I can create a VG for host with 100GB for /, 8.6GB for swap, 60GB for /home and another VG with unallocated space where I can set as storage pool so I can make LVs for each VM, is that it? |
| 20:06.56 | jelly | the tux-on-ice out of tree implementation used to have a lot saner swap size requirements, 50% extra was not unusual for the in-kernel one back around 2009-ish whan I last cared about hibernation |
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| 20:07.24 | jelly | maybe it's 100% extra these days |
| 20:07.27 | gcr2 | hy. i use debian 8 as my home server. i want to install emacs but it purpose me to download about 240Mb of dependencies. how i can install "minimal" emacs package? |
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| 20:07.40 | jmcnaught | Devastator: yes that's it. libvirt has different storage pool types. the default one it creates is of the type "dir" and it works just find with image files. Instead of image files I am using a storage pool of type "logical" (aka LVM), where each virtual disk is an LV instead of an image file. |
| 20:07.54 | jmcnaught | s/find/fine/ |
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| 20:09.07 | Devastator | jmcnaught nice! that's how I'm gonna setup then :) |
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| 20:11.19 | user | As a newbie, what's the best way to go about customising my debian desktop? |
| 20:11.23 | user | cursor/theming etc |
| 20:11.29 | jmcnaught | Devastator: i still recommend checking out that RHEL LVM guide i linked to earlier for overall LVM knowledge. When/if you add more disks to the computer you can do nifty stuff like caching with SSD, mirrored or striped volumes. But for now, two separate VGs (one for host, one for libvirt guests) is a good start |
| 20:11.30 | user | without messing up the systme too much |
| 20:11.37 | user | system* |
| 20:12.03 | user | and can someone recommend another irc client, chatzilla looks aweful |
| 20:12.11 | user | awful* |
| 20:12.17 | user | aweful would be completely different lol |
| 20:12.28 | user | probably a step above awesome |
| 20:12.49 | Omilun_ | hello . i am using a thinkpad laptop (t430s) . it has some gadget key on keyboard and top of keyboard . but thay are not useable on debian . how can i use all of these? |
| 20:13.03 | jmcnaught | user: irssi is great. hexchat is a popular gui client. smuxi and quassel are interesting but i haven't used them |
| 20:14.03 | jmcnaught | Omilun_: which desktop environment or window manager are you using? in my experience GNOME setups up all the keys on my thinkpad automatically, but i3 required some manual setup. others are probably somewhere in between |
| 20:14.25 | user | jmcnaught: thanks I'll try irssi |
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| 20:15.56 | Omilun_ | jmcnaught: aha ... i am using i3wm |
| 20:16.03 | jelly | Omilun_: use "xev" to verify those keys all generate distinct events, first |
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| 20:16.45 | Omilun_ | jelly: is this an app to fix my problem? |
| 20:17.09 | jelly | Omilun_: no. It's an app to show input device events, like keypresses. |
| 20:17.26 | greycat | And by "app", we mean "program". |
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| 20:18.22 | Omilun_ | jelly: debian repository dose not have it |
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| 20:18.30 | jmcnaught | Omilun_: once you do what jelly suggested you'll need to edit ~/.i3/config with a "bindsym" line for each shortcut. Chances are someone has put their i3 config with thinkpad shortcut keys on github that you could use as an example |
| 20:18.48 | greycat | christ... |
| 20:18.58 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ dpkg -S bin/xev |
| 20:18.58 | greycat | x11-utils: /usr/bin/xev |
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| 20:19.02 | jelly | Omilun_: it does, in the x11-utils package |
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| 20:19.30 | greycat | It's not an "app". It's a common-as-dirt command line program that opens an X11 window and writes -- nay, SPEWS -- lines of text to stdout. |
| 20:19.45 | jelly | greycat: the best way to get an answer is, of course, to state something can't be done |
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| 20:20.07 | greycat | You can't just type "xev" at a bash prompt!@! |
| 20:20.32 | jelly | or walk into Mordor, as it may |
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| 20:21.28 | jelly | I guess a seriously cut down installation of Xorg may not bring x11-utils for some reason |
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| 20:22.25 | user_ | yay! I'm using irssi now |
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| 20:23.36 | jelly | volume and mute keys on this thinkpad usb keyboard (X220/T520 style) worked "out of the box" on one jessie kde installation, but failed on another... both have XKBMODEL="thinkpadz60" in /etc/default/keyboard |
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| 20:25.49 | ewew | Does anyone know why its not working ? |
| 20:25.56 | jelly | xev showed XF86AudioMute, XF86AudioLowerVolume, XF86AudioRaiseVolume, etc. on both systems, so for me the issue was somewhere in upper layers of userspace |
| 20:26.10 | Omilun_ | jelly: sory i cant understand you ... do you have any resource to learn it? |
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| 20:26.47 | greycat | Type 'xev' in a terminal in your X session. It opens a new window. Move that window so it does not overlap the terminal in which you ran xev. Move the mouse pointer into the new window. Press a key and release it. Look at the terminal window. |
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| 20:27.24 | Omilun_ | greycat: are you spiking with me? |
| 20:27.29 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:27.34 | jelly | Omilun_: yes he is. |
| 20:27.35 | greycat | Not any more. |
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| 20:27.54 | jelly | was* |
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| 20:30.16 | Somelauw | What is the recommended way to enable SSD caching on an up to date Debian Jessie? |
| 20:30.33 | markybob | Omilun_: are you an arabic speaker? |
| 20:31.26 | jmcnaught | Omilun_: this is an article i referred to when i was playing with i3: https://i3wm.org/docs/user-contributed/lzap-config.html and you may also find some useful (perhaps not up to date) info on thinkwiki.org. Note that I stopped using i3 and never finished my config. For stuff like volume control, you'll need to figure out the pulseaudio commands to use |
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| 20:32.49 | jmcnaught | Somelauw: what i recommend is LVM (see "man lvmcache"), but if you're adventurous bcache-tools is in jessie-backports |
| 20:32.56 | Omilun_ | greycat: thx man i got it . |
| 20:33.08 | Omilun_ | jmcnaught: aha . thx |
| 20:33.28 | Omilun_ | markybob: no. |
| 20:33.31 | Somelauw | jmcnaught: Does adventurous mean Russian-roulette with my data? |
| 20:33.51 | Somelauw | I do make back-ups, but still find it an annoyance having to reinstall everything and such |
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| 20:34.15 | edg | hi, hq |
| 20:34.35 | jmcnaught | Somelauw: maybe. the stuff in backports isn't as tested. i'm quite happy with lvmcache |
| 20:35.09 | edg | question , i have bought an Asus F302L , apparently with an elantech touchpad, which fails after a suspend/resume |
| 20:35.24 | edg | there's only debian on the machine |
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| 20:35.48 | edg | i found a patch ( https://github.com/leledumbo/packages-core/blob/master/linux44/i8042.patch ) but I'm not sure how to apply it |
| 20:36.07 | edg | of course i tried to google patching |
| 20:36.39 | edg | but "patch -p1 < patchfile" fails |
| 20:36.56 | greycat | well, you would have to have the source tree to apply the patch *to* |
| 20:37.14 | edg | well I think i'm not really getting the source tree concept |
| 20:37.30 | Omilun_ | jelly: thx man . i am fixing all of these . bye |
| 20:37.35 | greycat | When it says "linux44" in your URL, I'm guessing this means it's a patch against a Linux 4.4.x kernel. |
| 20:37.35 | edg | where should I look it up? |
| 20:37.35 | markybob | egos: i have a the same issue. when that happens i ctrl+alt+f2 and then alt+f7 and it comes back. try that maybe? patching the kernel sounds outside your wheelhouse |
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| 20:37.43 | edg | aha |
| 20:37.59 | greycat | Jessie doesn't come with a Linux 4.4.x kernel. |
| 20:38.09 | edg | ok ) |
| 20:38.19 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 20:38.20 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc5-686 (4.6~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.3-2); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1) |
| 20:38.46 | greycat | Jessie has a 3.16.x kernel, but jessie-backports has a 4.5.x kernel available, if you think that might help more than it breaks. |
| 20:38.51 | edg | i have the jessie one (3.16.0-4-amd64) |
| 20:39.16 | edg | not really keen to mess too much with the kernel, just need the trackpad fixed :) |
| 20:39.44 | edg | but thanks judd, that's usefull stuff |
| 20:39.59 | markybob | yes, thanks judd |
| 20:40.03 | klow | Any LDAP wizards around? Or not even wizard just someone who knows basic OpenLDAP / phpldapadmin . I will pay you to help me right now. Just need to get a few apps authenticating aginst an LDAP directory with a few users |
| 20:40.34 | Somelauw | jmcnaught: I think I'll go with lvmcache, as settup this up seems complicated enough, if not more. |
| 20:40.40 | jmcnaught | edg: instead of patching the kernel you can probably configure the system to unload the module for your trackpad before suspend, then load it again on resume |
| 20:41.13 | edg | jmcnaught: well i've been working on this all day |
| 20:41.34 | edg | and tried some scripts with modprobe -R psmouse and stuf |
| 20:41.43 | edg | but no luck |
| 20:43.46 | edg | this is the psmouse module : psmouse 99249 0 |
| 20:43.58 | edg | does that say anything to you? |
| 20:44.11 | greycat | Says it's loaded. |
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| 20:44.48 | edg | so it just dissappears when it's unloaded? |
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| 20:44.58 | greycat | The 0 also implies that no other modules are depending on it, so it might be easily removable, but I've found that to be a lie some of the time. |
| 20:45.08 | edg | ok |
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| 20:45.25 | edg | i'll trie to unload see if the trackpad freezez |
| 20:45.26 | jmcnaught | edg: http://paste.debian.net/683131/ this is an (untested) system service unit you could put in "/etc/systemd/system/psmouse-sleep.service" and then do "systemctl enable psmouse-sleep.service" |
| 20:45.37 | futex | anyone know how to create a root user + password in one command line ? |
| 20:45.57 | greycat | futex: Why? |
| 20:45.58 | markybob | create a root user |
| 20:46.03 | greycat | Whose system is he cracking... |
| 20:46.27 | futex | need to automate |
| 20:46.30 | edg | he jmcnaught, i'll try that! |
| 20:47.02 | futex | not for cracking.. |
| 20:47.23 | jmcnaught | edg: the idea with this is it will remove the module when going to sleep, and load it during resume. i modified a service unit i use to pause/resume libvirt VMs when i suspend |
| 20:47.32 | user_ | what other channels are good for a linux newbie? |
| 20:47.44 | user_ | or even a non-techie trying to be a better techie |
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| 20:48.17 | edg | ok, cool :) thanks for the info |
| 20:48.22 | edg | will test now ;) |
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| 20:49.02 | edg | bad luk |
| 20:49.06 | edg | luck |
| 20:49.09 | edg | mouse freezed |
| 20:49.58 | edg | could it be the psmouse mod is not controlling the trackpad? |
| 20:50.13 | jmcnaught | edg: does using "modprobe -r psmouse && modprobe psmouse" manually after a resume unfreeze the mouse? |
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| 20:50.52 | edg | jmcnaught: nope it doesn't |
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| 20:51.36 | jmcnaught | futex: adduser has an --add_extra_groups option you could use to add a new user to sudo group. If you are doing automation, the software configuration management tool you are using should be able to handle this with its user module/resource |
| 20:52.30 | futex | jmcnaught: ok |
| 20:52.31 | markybob | that's terrifying. you need so many sudo users you need to automate the creation process |
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| 20:52.56 | futex | it's just for bullshit VM |
| 20:52.59 | jmcnaught | edg: ahh.. well if it's actually a different kernel module that systemd unit could still be useful (change the module used). |
| 20:53.00 | futex | :) |
| 20:53.37 | markybob | that doesn't make any more sense |
| 20:53.46 | jmcnaught | futex: what are you using to automate by the way? |
| 20:53.55 | futex | shell script |
| 20:54.26 | jmcnaught | futex: you should consider something like ansible or puppet for this type of work |
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| 20:56.20 | edg | jmcnaught: will leave the script for now, any suggestions on how to track down the right module? |
| 20:56.51 | futex | ok |
| 20:57.10 | kstenger | Hello, I need to install some packages on a squeeze system without upgrading to a newer version of debian. Since it's already out of LTS support I know I should make some changes on the sources.list file. But I'd like to know if there is some more thorough guide on how to do this transition. What to do and what not to do afterwards, etc. Thanks |
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| 20:57.26 | jmcnaught | edg: i would at least disable the service unit "systemctl disable psmouse-sleep.service" and also put some comments in it explaining what it's for so you remember later |
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| 20:58.20 | markybob | !tell kstenger about squeeze sources.list |
| 20:59.01 | edg | jmcnaught: done! |
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| 20:59.59 | kstenger | Thank you markybob, I'll check it out! |
| 21:00.05 | jmcnaught | edg: you can look for clues after a resume with a command like "journalctl --since -5min". |
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| 21:00.55 | psylence | Alright, quick question. This is making me feel dumb. |
| 21:01.05 | psylence | ncmpcpp isn't recognizing music files. |
| 21:01.18 | psylence | mpd.conf and ncmpcpp.conf have matching music directory names |
| 21:01.27 | psylence | the music directory has global read/write permissions |
| 21:01.33 | psylence | I ran ncmpcpp update |
| 21:01.36 | psylence | Yet it doesn't work. |
| 21:01.39 | psylence | Why? |
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| 21:05.39 | edg | jmcnaught: ok thanks! |
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| 21:06.20 | jmcnaught | edg: heh, i noticed a typo in my http://paste.debian.net/683131/ line 10 says "modrpobe" not "modprobe" |
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| 21:10.18 | edg | jmcnaught: hehe |
| 21:10.24 | edg | jmcnaught: will test again |
| 21:10.41 | kstenger | From "about squeeze sources.list" What does it mean "Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates>" ? The reference is not clear to me |
| 21:12.04 | user_ | echo hi |
| 21:12.08 | user_ | oops |
| 21:13.09 | zykotick9 | kstenger: all the stuff <in these> are other factoids, you can "/msg dpkg deb-src" for example... |
| 21:13.33 | kstenger | ah, thanks zykotick9 |
| 21:13.45 | zykotick9 | kstenger: sidenote... squeeze is kinda "finished" at this point... |
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| 21:15.50 | user_ | what command can I use to check packages? |
| 21:15.53 | user_ | general info |
| 21:16.08 | user_ | something that I haven't installed yet |
| 21:16.23 | amcorreia | what kind of check? |
| 21:16.33 | markybob | user_: apt-cache show foo if you know the package name |
| 21:16.43 | markybob | user_: apt-cache search foo to search for package name |
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| 21:17.04 | user_ | ok i'll give that a go! |
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| 21:17.29 | kstenger | zykotick9: I imagine! Hhowever at this point I'm unable to make a bigger upgrade of this particular system, but I do need some basic stuff installed (as mercurial) and I need to do it without breaking anything in the process (it's a production server). That's why I came here for advice. I appreciate all possible help, as I find a bit cryptic what I have so far. |
| 21:17.36 | zykotick9 | user_: <sidenote> the "new-school" version would be "apt show foo" |
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| 21:18.09 | markybob | i find it hard to suggest apt until it gets basic shit like clean :P i don't know how that got left out |
| 21:18.25 | zykotick9 | kstenger: i'll wish you "good luck" with trying to get updated packages on squeeze <- you'll need it. |
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| 21:18.33 | markybob | the rest of it i like |
| 21:19.02 | psylence | Hey. So could anyone help me with mpd+ncmpcpp not showing any songs? I'm 99.9% sure everything is configured correctly. |
| 21:19.04 | zykotick9 | markybob: i'll agree clean is MIA??? |
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| 21:19.15 | markybob | zykotick9: yes |
| 21:19.28 | zykotick9 | psylence: start with the mpd settings! that's where the path to songs is... |
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| 21:19.45 | kstenger | zykotick9: you are taking my hopes away... :-( |
| 21:19.45 | psylence | zykotick9: yes. it's the same music_Directory as for ncmpcpp |
| 21:19.58 | psylence | And that directory is currently global read/write |
| 21:20.14 | zykotick9 | psylence: music_directory is ONLY for certain features (editing tags) in ncmpcpp |
| 21:20.26 | psylence | zykotick9: but they have to match, right? |
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| 21:20.48 | zykotick9 | psylence: did you restart mpd, after putting the path in? then update from ncmpcpp (u key i believe) |
| 21:20.49 | jmcnaught | kstenger: if it is a production server that is all the more reason to upgrade to wheezy to continue getting security upgrades. wheezy is LTS too now. |
| 21:20.59 | psylence | zykotick9: yes and yes. |
| 21:21.09 | psylence | I also tried running mpd in verbose mode, no errors. |
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| 21:23.04 | psylence | And ncmpcpp says connected to localhost. I can run the update command, just nothing shows up. |
| 21:23.55 | edg | jmcnaught: newsflash, when i use hibernate |
| 21:24.05 | edg | trackpad comes to life again |
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| 21:24.31 | jmcnaught | edg: progress! does suspend/resume work now too? |
| 21:24.44 | edg | nope |
| 21:24.47 | edg | that doesnt :) |
| 21:25.30 | kstenger | so for what jmcnaught says, I understand it would be more reasonable to upgrade. But I need more help about how to do it in order to not break anything in the process... I already did break one debian before doing something similar. |
| 21:25.46 | wsky | jmcnaught: im restoring a backup from befite ive reformated the swap |
| 21:25.54 | wsky | before |
| 21:26.20 | wsky | it was working before that |
| 21:27.12 | jmcnaught | kstenger: if you follow the instructions in the release notes upgrading Debian is usually a smooth process |
| 21:27.32 | markybob | kstenger: you need to read the release notes. in general you want to /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy and then /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie and be careful with the jessie one because that's known to fuck up apache (in the notes) |
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| 21:28.00 | jmcnaught | edg: look for more clues with "journalctl --since -2min" immediately after a suspend/resume |
| 21:28.43 | kstenger | ok, thank you guys, I'll have some reading to do! |
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| 21:34.16 | kingsley | I'm having a friendly competition with a friend to see who can find the least expensive 32 GB thumb drive. |
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| 21:34.35 | kingsley | So far, he's winning with $3.99 from Amazon. |
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| 21:34.50 | psylence | kingsley: aliexpress.com? |
| 21:35.36 | edg | jmcnaught: hmm, could this be something ? : ahci 0000:00:1f.2: port does not support device sleep |
| 21:35.42 | user_ | anyone know how I can set up japanese input? |
| 21:35.50 | user_ | is a new debian user |
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| 21:36.58 | jmcnaught | edg: definitely. i wonder if simply adding a "sleep 1" somewhere would help |
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| 21:40.27 | edg | jmcnaught: allright |
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| 21:44.00 | kingsley | psylence: aliexpress.com seemed like a reasonable suggestion. I just search. So far, my friend's record low of $3.99 for a 32 GB thumb drive remains unbeaten. |
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| 21:44.15 | kingsley | Ha ha ha! |
| 21:44.21 | kingsley | But the joke's on him! |
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| 21:44.53 | kingsley | I plan to dumpster dive at an electronic recycler! |
| 21:45.00 | kingsley | Bwa ha ha! |
| 21:45.50 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell kingsley about off-topic |
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| 21:48.24 | jmcnaught | kingsley: please don't private message me |
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| 21:50.03 | symm- | hi, is this a good place to ask about Bunsenlabs? |
| 21:51.00 | jmcnaught | symm-: no this channel only supports Debian, not derivatives based on Debian. There is probably a Bunsenlabs channel out there somewhere |
| 21:51.15 | symm- | ah, ok |
| 21:51.54 | symm- | thanks jmcnaught |
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| 21:53.28 | kingsley | user_: If you haven't figured it out already, I humbly suggest searching Google's indices for something like ... "input method" debian "set up" | configure | install |
| 21:53.49 | user_ | kingsley: figured it out :) thanks! |
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| 21:59.06 | user_ | how do I customise my mouse cursor? |
| 22:01.27 | user_ | or am I asking in the wrong channel? |
| 22:02.04 | psylence | user_: What DE? |
| 22:03.09 | user_ | psylence: default..I think it's called GNOME? |
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| 22:04.47 | psylence | user_: gnome-tweak-tool |
| 22:04.59 | psylence | user_: if you don't have it install it with apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool |
| 22:05.28 | user_ | psylence: I don't think I have it, i'll use my newly learned command of apt-get install. Thanks! |
| 22:06.09 | user_ | psylence: actually after checking, I do have it |
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| 22:12.20 | simonlnu | there is no default DE in debian |
| 22:13.06 | markybob | kinda sorta. installer has gnome selected. you can deselect and pick something else. |
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| 22:14.12 | psylence | user_: then use it to set the mouse theme :) |
| 22:14.33 | user_ | markybob: I actually press enter thinking it would flag my option |
| 22:14.39 | user_ | but it went straight through to the next step |
| 22:14.49 | user_ | I must've pressed the wrong button |
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| 22:14.55 | psylence | user_: space is for checking boxes |
| 22:14.58 | _0xbadc0de | guys |
| 22:15.02 | user_ | psylence: I will check it out |
| 22:15.03 | _0xbadc0de | plz help |
| 22:15.05 | markybob | user_: that's what most new users do and they end with gnome. it happens. |
| 22:15.23 | _0xbadc0de | I just installed AMD_64 debian stable netinst |
| 22:15.30 | _0xbadc0de | and I dont have wireless working |
| 22:15.33 | _0xbadc0de | what should I do? |
| 22:15.42 | psylence | _0xbadc0de: is the wifi driver for your card non-free? |
| 22:15.42 | _0xbadc0de | In addition screen resolution looks bad and blurry |
| 22:15.52 | _0xbadc0de | psylence absolutely |
| 22:16.04 | psylence | _0xbadc0de: you have to enable the nonfree repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:16.11 | user_ | psylence: I only one theme selectable lol |
| 22:16.13 | _0xbadc0de | how can I do that? |
| 22:16.17 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: the easiest way is to use the installer image that has firmware included |
| 22:16.42 | _0xbadc0de | wait but does this image already contains non free drivers? |
| 22:16.49 | _0xbadc0de | contain* |
| 22:16.52 | psylence | _0xbadc0de: opet /etc/apt/sources.list in your favourite editor and append 'nonfree' to the repo line (withou tthe '') |
| 22:17.08 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: right. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 22:17.19 | _0xbadc0de | ok |
| 22:17.19 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: that installer has firmware |
| 22:17.45 | _0xbadc0de | once I enable those what should I do? sudo apt-get install update? |
| 22:17.55 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: do you already have Debian installed, or you're trying to use the installer right now? |
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| 22:18.01 | psylence | _0xbadc0de: once you've appended non-free you do apt-get update |
| 22:18.03 | _0xbadc0de | already installed |
| 22:18.08 | psylence | and then apt-get install your_firmware |
| 22:18.29 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: and you have ethernet on the machine? some internet? |
| 22:18.32 | _0xbadc0de | by "firmware" you mean driver right? |
| 22:18.33 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: can you run "lspci -nn | grep -i net" and then paste the line for your wifi, or at least the part that looks like [1234:abcd] ? |
| 22:18.35 | _0xbadc0de | ethernet |
| 22:18.36 | psylence | _0xbadc0de: it should look like stable main contrib non-free |
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| 22:18.48 | psylence | and done |
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| 22:19.20 | zykotick9 | _0xbadc0de: <sidenote> "apt edit-sources" is a quick way to edit your sources.list in your default terminal editor |
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| 22:19.51 | _0xbadc0de | ok |
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| 22:19.54 | _0xbadc0de | thanks everyone |
| 22:19.58 | _0xbadc0de | you have been so kin |
| 22:20.00 | _0xbadc0de | kind |
| 22:20.04 | _0xbadc0de | I am going to try that in a sec |
| 22:20.13 | _0xbadc0de | (need to go where I have an ethernet cable) |
| 22:20.21 | _0xbadc0de | and I'll let you know the results |
| 22:20.46 | markybob | yeah, see, i'd just reinstall using the firmware iso then. there's a bit more to it then what we've told you |
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| 22:21.37 | psylence | markybob: I assumed he knows what driver he needs. :P |
| 22:21.47 | psylence | _0xbadc0de: do you know what driver you need? |
| 22:21.53 | markybob | i don't assume that when they don't know how to add non-free repo |
| 22:22.00 | psylence | lol true |
| 22:22.14 | _0xbadc0de | "<psylence> and then apt-get install your_firmware" |
| 22:22.37 | markybob | psylence: you made this mess. fix it :P |
| 22:22.46 | _0xbadc0de | how do I know the fw name from the lspci -nn |grep -i net cmd |
| 22:23.10 | _0xbadc0de | theres something like [x:y] looks like a small hash |
| 22:23.23 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: tell us that part please |
| 22:23.28 | psylence | _0xbadc0de: what laptop do you have? |
| 22:23.42 | _0xbadc0de | [14e4:4365] |
| 22:23.50 | _0xbadc0de | Its the Broadcom Wireless card |
| 22:23.56 | jmcnaught | judd: pciid 14e4:4365 |
| 22:23.57 | judd | [14e4:4365] is 'BCM43142 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4365 |
| 22:24.16 | _0xbadc0de | is this bad? |
| 22:24.41 | _0xbadc0de | there is no kernel module for this? |
| 22:24.49 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: it might be wrong. you should check the instructions at https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx (also the firmware iso will not help with this) |
| 22:25.11 | markybob | you need to install broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 22:25.14 | psylence | _0xbadc0de: https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 22:27.18 | _0xbadc0de | I thought a driver was all that was needed apparently one has a firmware |
| 22:27.20 | _0xbadc0de | fancy |
| 22:27.47 | markybob | if by fancy you mean annoying as shit, yes |
| 22:28.16 | _0xbadc0de | I thought these controllers all had a driver to process signals from the hw device |
| 22:28.24 | _0xbadc0de | at least thats what I have seen so far |
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| 22:28.56 | psylence | _0xbadc0de: That's what happens when manufacturers keep specs/hardware closed. |
| 22:29.29 | _0xbadc0de | thats corporate life 1-0-1 |
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| 22:29.54 | _0xbadc0de | but here we are 0x1337 haxx0rs to keep that mindset *F*ck*d" |
| 22:30.12 | _0xbadc0de | ^was sarcasm not implying self 0x1337 haxx0r |
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| 22:31.59 | psylence | _0xbadc0de: free > non-free, simple as that : |
| 22:32.02 | psylence | :) |
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| 22:34.30 | _0xbadc0de | ok |
| 22:34.38 | _0xbadc0de | my sources.list file looks weird |
| 22:34.43 | _0xbadc0de | line #1 |
| 22:34.59 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: pastebin it on paste.debian.net |
| 22:35.03 | _0xbadc0de | db http://ftp.pt.debian.org/debian/ jessie main |
| 22:35.08 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: the whole thing. not just line 1 |
| 22:35.14 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: deb. not db |
| 22:35.21 | _0xbadc0de | ok I cant copy paste for obvious reasons |
| 22:35.25 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: and you want contrib non-free after main |
| 22:35.29 | _0xbadc0de | so I'll just type it into pastebin? |
| 22:35.56 | psylence | _0xbadc0de: yeah, you just add contrib non-free after main |
| 22:36.00 | markybob | !tell _0xbadc0de about pastebinit |
| 22:36.09 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: connecting with an ethernet cable is probably worthwhile |
| 22:36.25 | _0xbadc0de | **I KNOW** jesus christ |
| 22:36.45 | _0xbadc0de | I am just trying to set up the sources.list file before I move my ass upstairs where I have ethernet |
| 22:37.06 | psylence | _0xbadc0de: do your thing and take your time :) |
| 22:37.07 | _0xbadc0de | so that I can follow https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 22:37.32 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: maybe take a break first if you're freaking out? being connected to the internet will make all of the steps easier |
| 22:37.56 | _0xbadc0de | jmcnaught ... I still need to complete sources |
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| 22:38.03 | _0xbadc0de | internet wont make that for me |
| 22:38.25 | markybob | it's much easier if you're connected so you can pastebin it for us so you get your sources correct |
| 22:38.39 | _0xbadc0de | allright |
| 22:38.40 | _0xbadc0de | sec |
| 22:38.41 | markybob | so yes, internet will help |
| 22:38.55 | _0xbadc0de | see you on the other side |
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| 22:44.48 | psylence | I just noticed that he's on irc from a root account. |
| 22:44.50 | psylence | Cute |
| 22:45.30 | zykotick9 | psylence: it's OK they are an 0x1337 haxx0r ;) |
| 22:45.36 | psylence | :) |
| 22:45.38 | _0xbadc0de | ĺol |
| 22:45.40 | jmcnaught | __0xbadc0de: psylence raises a good point, you should use a regular account for IRC, never IRC |
| 22:45.44 | _0xbadc0de | cant msg though |
| 22:46.01 | _0xbadc0de | probably I should leave here |
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| 22:46.14 | psylence | Lol |
| 22:47.00 | markybob | __0xbadc0de: but you're still here as root |
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| 22:48.54 | zykotick9 | suddenly wonders... is this debian or kali? |
| 22:49.22 | markybob | the fucked up single source line he pasted was debian...i don't know |
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| 22:49.36 | _0xbadc0de | asd |
| 22:49.36 | _0xbadc0de | jesus christ |
| 22:49.39 | _0xbadc0de | at last |
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| 22:49.50 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: are you using kali? |
| 22:49.55 | _0xbadc0de | so what cmd should OI run? |
| 22:49.58 | _0xbadc0de | no, why= |
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| 22:50.00 | _0xbadc0de | ? |
| 22:50.20 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list and delete everything. make it look exactly like this: https://paste.debian.net/683136/ |
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| 22:51.10 | _0xbadc0de | you dont want to see the sources first? |
| 22:51.15 | _0xbadc0de | meh prolly nvm |
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| 22:51.24 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: not really. new install. don't really care. |
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| 22:52.17 | _0xbadc0de | ok saved |
| 22:52.35 | _0xbadc0de | can you just repaste the link you had regarding the Broadcom fw install? |
| 22:52.37 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: apt-get update and then you'll have non-free. you can now follow the wiki |
| 22:52.45 | _0xbadc0de | please dont make me go downstairs again |
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| 22:53.15 | zykotick9 | _0xbadc0de: this one https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx ? |
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| 22:53.30 | _0xbadc0de | absolutely |
| 22:54.01 | _0xbadc0de | when I do "sudo apt-get update" I get sudo command not found, this is absolutely a bad thing right? |
| 22:54.15 | zykotick9 | not if you are root... |
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| 22:54.23 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: how did you save sources.list? it needs root permissions |
| 22:54.23 | _0xbadc0de | I am not |
| 22:54.29 | _0xbadc0de | >_> |
| 22:54.39 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: so you didn't save sources.list |
| 22:54.39 | _0xbadc0de | I rooted |
| 22:54.46 | _0xbadc0de | and then un-rooted back to normal user |
| 22:54.51 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: okay. as root do apt-get update |
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| 22:55.40 | _0xbadc0de | done it seems |
| 22:55.55 | zykotick9 | _0xbadc0de: sidenote, if you want "sudo" then "apt install sudo" and add yourself to the "sudo" group with "adduser YOURUSERNAME root" then logout/log-back-in and sudo should work. |
| 22:56.05 | markybob | i'm interested in the output of that update _0xbadc0de |
| 22:56.10 | markybob | pastebin it |
| 22:56.31 | zykotick9 | _0xbadc0de: sorry, that was for later... i don't mean to interupt markybob's help! |
| 22:56.46 | psylence | zykotick9: the first user he creates during installation should already have sudo permissions |
| 22:56.59 | markybob | zykotick9: i'm about to have dinner anyway and someone will have to take over ;) |
| 22:57.00 | zykotick9 | psylence: not is sudo wasn't installed! |
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| 22:57.14 | zykotick9 | s/is/if/ |
| 22:57.37 | _0xbadc0de | http://pastebin.com/651kMPeB |
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| 22:58.09 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: most of us can't see pastebin.com. use paste.debian.net |
| 22:58.13 | zykotick9 | _0xbadc0de: just a sidenote... but could you possibly use paste.debian.net... |
| 22:58.22 | _0xbadc0de | yes |
| 22:58.40 | psylence | _0xbadc0de: it looks like it updated correctly |
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| 22:58.48 | psylence | now you can proceed with the guide |
| 22:59.05 | _0xbadc0de | ok |
| 22:59.24 | markybob | _0xbadc0de: i'm off. good luck. i'm sure the others will guide you |
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| 23:00.05 | user_ | using disk analyser, I can't see how much free space I have within home |
| 23:00.09 | user_ | how do I look? |
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| 23:00.28 | _0xbadc0de | with the guide |
| 23:00.34 | _0xbadc0de | I cant find my wireless card |
| 23:00.46 | _0xbadc0de | aka Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 |
| 23:00.59 | _0xbadc0de | what should I do? |
| 23:02.14 | zykotick9 | _0xbadc0de: from earlier 18:25 < markybob> you need to install broadcom-sta-dkms |
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| 23:02.39 | _0xbadc0de | k |
| 23:04.15 | zykotick9 | user_: i have no idea what "disk analyser" is... (i suspect a gnome tool) but from terminal "df -h" will show disk free... is your home on a separate partition? is it mounted? or is it just part of / ? |
| 23:05.12 | _0xbadc0de | its doing stuff |
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| 23:05.46 | _0xbadc0de | ok its done, should I reboot? |
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| 23:05.54 | _0xbadc0de | and test if wireless works? |
| 23:06.02 | user_ | zykotick9: thanks, that's done the job! |
| 23:07.24 | zykotick9 | _0xbadc0de: sidenote, i don't personally know the correct command to restart the needed wireless driver/firmware... so if it doesn't work... you may have to reboot... |
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| 23:10.38 | _0xbadc0de | its worked! |
| 23:10.51 | zykotick9 | markybob: ftw |
| 23:10.54 | _0xbadc0de | THIS IS *AWESOME* |
| 23:11.29 | _0xbadc0de | now I have another issue, my screen looks blurry as if no gfx card driver is installed |
| 23:11.41 | _0xbadc0de | is this true or do I just need to adjust screen resolution? |
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| 23:12.38 | user_ | any printer experts here? |
| 23:12.46 | zykotick9 | _0xbadc0de: 1st, is this one of those dual-gpu laptops? if not/if so... could you paste "lspci -nn | grep -i vga" |
| 23:12.58 | zykotick9 | user_: just ask the "real" question ;) |
| 23:13.07 | bazhang | #cups user_ |
| 23:13.13 | user_ | I just installed a new printer - printed a test page, it looks fine but I don't know why the bottom border didn't print |
| 23:13.22 | katebe | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.25 | user_ | zykotick9: sir yes sir |
| 23:14.35 | _0xbadc0de | pastebin.com/FmzaDQg7 |
| 23:15.20 | _0xbadc0de | zykotick9 |
| 23:15.24 | _0xbadc0de | I dont think so |
| 23:15.26 | zykotick9 | reminds _0xbadc0de that he doesn't go to pastebin.com... |
| 23:15.32 | _0xbadc0de | ok.... |
| 23:15.47 | _0xbadc0de | I think its a single AMD gpu |
| 23:15.59 | _0xbadc0de | probably with intel integrated graphics |
| 23:16.04 | _0xbadc0de | idk |
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| 23:16.41 | zykotick9 | THAT answers my question. if it's amd/ati = i'm out. someone else has to help you. PLUS i know NOTHIN' about these dual ati/intel nvidia/intel stuff.... best of luck! |
| 23:17.36 | _0xbadc0de | are you serious?... at least can you tell me how can I know if I have a proper amd gpu driver already installed ? |
| 23:17.57 | zykotick9 | sorry... good luck. |
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| 23:19.17 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: seems like you have a single AMD/ATI GPU. The details are here: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo but you most likely just need to install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 23:19.36 | zykotick9 | _0xbadc0de: i'm sure other's in this channel know about this hardware stuff. i _would_ suggest you share your specific hardware model(s) for this ati/intel video... maybe you did in your pastebin? |
| 23:20.56 | Mazhive | can some one tell me wich ssl protocol to be using now adays for apache2 conf. Or atleast with wich ciphersuite to be set.. |
| 23:21.32 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: ahhh... just a comment, _if_ it is hybrid-graphics, my suggested lspci command _might_ not be showing one of them. and perhaps needs a -v added?!?! |
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| 23:21.53 | jmcnaught | Mazhive: https://mozilla.github.io/server-side-tls/ssl-config-generator/ is pretty handy |
| 23:22.06 | markybob | i cant see his pastebin either |
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| 23:22.37 | Mazhive | thanx.. ;) |
| 23:22.58 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: if you want everyone to be able to see your pastes, best to use http://paste.debian.net/ and not strip the protocol part from the start of the URL |
| 23:24.00 | user_ | zykotick9: any ideas? |
| 23:24.50 | zykotick9 | user_: for the missing line at the bottom of prints? not really, i actually seem to remember seeing that on my last test print... but could be mistaken. i ignored it? ymmv. |
| 23:25.21 | user_ | zykotick9: thanks |
| 23:25.44 | zykotick9 | user_: to be honest, i f'n hate printers, and printing issues... again ymmv ;) good luck. |
| 23:26.12 | user_ | zykotick9: is there another channel I can ask maybe? |
| 23:26.17 | jmcnaught | user_: make sure the page size is set correctly, for example letter or A4 |
| 23:26.40 | zykotick9 | user_: i thinks #cups was suggested? by bazhang |
| 23:26.56 | user_ | jmcnaught: yep already set to A4 |
| 23:27.12 | _0xbadc0de | you guys are good support |
| 23:27.18 | _0xbadc0de | kudos |
| 23:27.28 | _0xbadc0de | not like the retards at #fedora |
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| 23:28.44 | user_ | how do I get alt f4 not to group by program |
| 23:28.51 | markybob | Mazhive: this is what my default virtualhost looks like in apache. it's an a+ on ssllabs. might help as reference. https://paste.debian.net/683143/ |
| 23:28.51 | user_ | alt f4? I mean alt tab |
| 23:29.14 | user_ | or is it more efficient to do so and I haven't learned the keyboard nav keys properly? |
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| 23:30.11 | jmcnaught | user_: that's just how gnome does it. the key above <TAB> (which is ` or ~ on en-us) is for switching between windows of an application |
| 23:30.44 | user_ | jmcnaught: awesome, good to know |
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| 23:30.59 | user_ | this is great support |
| 23:31.20 | zykotick9 | user_: ^ just an fyi, but i had NO idea what you where talking about... alt+f4? i don't use gnome... |
| 23:31.36 | jmcnaught | user_: or i think there's an alternatetab gnome-shell extension that changes this behaviour. you can check in tweak tool (also known as advanced settings) |
| 23:32.11 | _0xbadc0de | guys |
| 23:32.15 | _0xbadc0de | help!! (again) |
| 23:32.19 | _0xbadc0de | I have followed https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 23:32.24 | user_ | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 23:32.30 | _0xbadc0de | and after reboot the screen still looks blurry |
| 23:32.33 | _0xbadc0de | and when I do |
| 23:32.44 | _0xbadc0de | dmesg | grep -E 'drm|radeon' | grep -iE 'firmware|microcode' |
| 23:32.47 | _0xbadc0de | I get nothing |
| 23:32.54 | _0xbadc0de | what is going onnnnnnnnn? |
| 23:32.56 | zykotick9 | _0xbadc0de: ahhh, there are more then just "guys" in this channel (and MANY) other irc channels.. i'd suggest you stop using that term. ymmv. |
| 23:33.24 | _0xbadc0de | err...wut? |
| 23:33.38 | zykotick9 | _0xbadc0de: also, there is no need to ask for "help" just ask your real question, all on one line. |
| 23:33.47 | user_ | zykotick9: lmao |
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| 23:33.53 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: might be as simple as using the auto-adjust button on your monitor. also zykotick9 is saying that guys is a term that excludes women |
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| 23:34.07 | Mazhive | i have received cert files there seems to be a cabundle.crt is this maybe a chain file ? |
| 23:34.13 | user_ | jmcnaught: thanks for translating the message |
| 23:34.15 | _0xbadc0de | errr no it doesn't |
| 23:34.20 | _0xbadc0de | not In my mother language |
| 23:34.39 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
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| 23:34.50 | dTal | I've heard girls use the term to refer to all female friend groups |
| 23:35.04 | petn-randall | _0xbadc0de: I think that's why zykotick9 said YMMV. |
| 23:35.18 | _0xbadc0de | listen, is this relevant |
| 23:35.22 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: some people use guys as gender neutral in English, others don't. anyways it's off-topic. Which desktop environment are you using? |
| 23:35.22 | dTal | but maybe they're just oppressed by the kyriarchy, I dunno... |
| 23:35.23 | _0xbadc0de | at all? |
| 23:35.33 | petn-randall | dTal: AFAIR it's only really that way in Texas(?) |
| 23:35.35 | _0xbadc0de | gnmone |
| 23:35.38 | _0xbadc0de | gnome* |
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| 23:36.33 | jmcnaught | _0xbadc0de: if you look at the "displays" section in gnome settings, does your display say it's set to the correct resolution? Putting your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net/ would also help |
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| 23:36.56 | _0xbadc0de | I'll just install kde for now |
| 23:37.05 | _0xbadc0de | I seriously hate gnome with all my heart |
| 23:37.27 | dTal | what about MATE? |
| 23:38.24 | _0xbadc0de | yeah I guess we'v just tripped upon some opressed pussy |
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| 23:38.34 | _0xbadc0de | no need to talk any longer about it |
| 23:38.37 | markybob | now you're going on /ignore |
| 23:38.49 | _0xbadc0de | sry |
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| 23:38.53 | zykotick9 | markybob: +1 |
| 23:39.23 | petn-randall | I'd kick at this point. |
| 23:39.37 | user_ | any basic security setups I have to put in place? |
| 23:39.42 | user_ | It's my first time trying linux |
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| 23:40.00 | petn-randall | user_: For what exactly? |
| 23:40.23 | user_ | petn-randall: just post-install for debian |
| 23:40.26 | zykotick9 | user_: welcome. well.. if you're coming from MS/Apple world - i'd guess your security already went up about 90% ;) |
| 23:41.04 | user_ | zykotick9: ok I lied, i'd actually tried linux before but gave up multiple times and too much distro hopping |
| 23:41.06 | petn-randall | user_: If you feel like it, you can install a firewall. But I'm guessing that you don't have any network services installed, anyway. |
| 23:41.19 | markybob | user_: you really don't have to worry about much on a regular desktop install. it gets tricky with server stuff sometimes...but you're generally just fine as it is |
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| 23:41.53 | user_ | petn-randall: by network services what do you mean? are you referring to what markybob said about server stuff |
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| 23:42.46 | petn-randall | user_: It's related. Network services like a samba daemon (doing windows shares), apache web server, etc. |
| 23:43.02 | user_ | too dumb to understand |
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| 23:43.23 | markybob | user_: if you're a normal user, really, don't worry about it. debian took care of it |
| 23:43.33 | petn-randall | user_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_service |
| 23:43.34 | user_ | markybob: affirmative. |
| 23:43.47 | zykotick9 | markybob: nicely put. |
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| 23:44.57 | user_ | as a side note, I'm having a lotta fun with irssi |
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| 23:45.10 | markybob | user_: gotten into scripts yet? |
| 23:45.10 | user_ | i reformatted join/quit messages |
| 23:45.20 | jmcnaught | user_: a bunch of useful scripts in the irssi-scripts package |
| 23:45.26 | user_ | markybob: i only just installed debian yesterday! |
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| 23:45.47 | markybob | user_: seriously get the package jmcnaught just mentioned. there's some great stuff |
| 23:45.50 | user_ | now there are lot of people leaving but my msgs actually say 'user has pooped their pants' |
| 23:46.18 | user_ | and 'user has come forth!' |
| 23:46.32 | user_ | jmcnaught: markybob what scripts? |
| 23:46.40 | user_ | I'm not sure if I need them |
| 23:46.45 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: markybob oh my... i don't have it installed either... /me has used irssi for years, but hasn't gotten into script... |
| 23:46.46 | markybob | user_: https://scripts.irssi.org/ |
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| 23:47.10 | markybob | zykotick9: you *need* adv_windowlist.pl |
| 23:47.16 | user_ | awesome! there's an 8-ball script! |
| 23:47.29 | BlenderPro | can anyone tell me if lili creator is a good choise to install my iso image onto a 4gb pen drive for debian 8.4 |
| 23:47.31 | zykotick9 | markybob: hehe. thanks. i'll find out what this is later... |
| 23:47.57 | jmcnaught | BlenderPro: it probably isn't. Are you preparing the stick on a Linux or Windows computer? |
| 23:48.02 | user_ | adv_windowlist.pl was made my Nei, a guy who helped me out today! |
| 23:48.12 | user_ | sorry.. not 'guy' |
| 23:48.18 | user_ | a helpful citizen |
| 23:48.20 | BlenderPro | jmcnaught, on windows 7 |
| 23:48.32 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell BlenderPro about win32diskimager |
| 23:48.50 | jmcnaught | BlenderPro: use the tool that dpkg just messaged you about |
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| 23:49.24 | jmcnaught | BlenderPro: and it's a really good idea to take a look at the install manual as well :) |
| 23:50.02 | user_ | this is a cool place to hang out |
| 23:50.30 | markybob | user_: keep in mind if you ever just wanna chat, not support stuff, there's #debian-offtopic |
| 23:50.58 | user_ | ah markybob forgot about that |
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| 23:51.43 | BlenderPro | jmcnaught, that's true thanks! |
| 23:52.28 | jmcnaught | zykotick9: user_: to use the scripts from the irssi-scripts package, what i recommend is to make symlinks for the individual scripts you want to use in ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/ (the package puts them in /usr/share/irssi/scripts/) |
| 23:52.31 | dTal | lolz at the "if" |
| 23:52.38 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: markybob i'm a freakin' lier. i've had nickcolor.pl in my ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun for years... but that's the only one. i'll find more good stuff! |
| 23:52.45 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: ^ ;) |
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| 23:54.21 | bitchin_camaro | windows 7 and up has isoburn.exe, works perfect from a dos prompt |
| 23:54.30 | jmcnaught | zykotick9: well if you use symlinks like i suggest, when you upgrade the scripts will get upgraded too :) |
| 23:54.38 | markybob | zykotick9: i don't know how you've lived without adv_windowlist.pl :P that's like using irssi with an arm chopped off. |
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| 23:54.48 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: nice! |
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| 23:55.22 | echosystm | is there any way to make an init script that is guaranteed to run before anything else? |
| 23:55.24 | zykotick9 | markybob: oh i'll check it out! i now have a irssi-script-suggestions.txt file in ~ ;) |
| 23:56.24 | echosystm | actually nevermind! |
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| 23:58.06 | user_ | thank you for helping me so much |
| 23:58.20 | user_ | i've learned more about linux and hope to learn more in future |
| 23:58.26 | user_ | goodnight (or have a nice day) |
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