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| 00:16.42 | mutante | migrating an existing setup to jessie. it made use of the "syslog" group for ownership of some log dir. i realize in jessie syslog was replaced with rsyslog, but it's not as simple as just using "rsyslog" group now it seems. which existing group would come closest? |
| 00:17.28 | mutante | systemd-journal? |
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| 00:23.20 | RoyK | mutante: iirc rsyslog has been the standard for years |
| 00:24.28 | mutante | RoyK: yea, i'm migrating Ubuntu trusty to Debian jessie.. and it's a puppet setup |
| 00:24.42 | mutante | just need to replace the usage of the syslog group with something |
| 00:25.01 | mutante | and there is no "rsyslog" group |
| 00:28.54 | jmcnaught | mutante: in Debian the adm group has read access to logs, is that what you want? |
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| 00:30.24 | mutante | jmcnaught: yea, i think that's the intention, non-roots should be able to read these logs (i didnt write the original thing) |
| 00:31.31 | RoyK | mutante: seems that is replaced by adm now, as mentioned |
| 00:31.47 | mutante | ok, thanks all. that helps |
| 00:31.49 | RoyK | mutante: which seems to be the same as with rhel/centos7 |
| 00:32.33 | mutante | systemd-journal seemed like a candidate because of journalctl ..bla |
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| 00:33.35 | RoyK | what's wrong with journalctl? |
| 00:33.59 | mutante | nothing, i just say that made me try to use that group |
| 00:34.05 | jmcnaught | mutante: /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian show how to set owner/group and permissions for persistent journals. by default on Jessie they are not persistent |
| 00:34.35 | mutante | ok, thanks |
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| 00:35.58 | jmcnaught | mutante: also i assume that you're doing fresh Jessie installs and migrating services to them, not "upgrading" ubuntu to debian (which would be crazy) |
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| 00:37.31 | mutante | yes, that is exactly what i'm doing. fresh install, apply puppet manifest.. see all the fail because it's trying to use upstart, add if-statements to fix it when on jessie and use systemd.. |
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| 00:38.36 | RoyK | mutante: guess you'll have to rewrite that manifest a bit |
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| 00:39.30 | mutante | yea, but it's not soo bad. at least i have "if $::initsystem == 'systemd'" |
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| 00:39.53 | mutante | and have to keep doing it for different services, so by now i know where the unit files go :) |
| 00:42.21 | RoyK | I went to a course about puppet some five years back and haven't used it since then, so I guess I can't help much |
| 00:43.00 | mutante | i think i got the puppet part, just sometimes need to ask those questions like the one about syslog |
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| 00:43.43 | mylord | any idea on this apache install error related to mongo: https://gist.github.com/adaptivedev/0c9f78a22b7bd41e36def6e0b8a9d42e |
| 00:43.49 | RoyK | mutante: #puppet seems to be well populated - some may know ;) |
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| 00:48.45 | markybob | i love when people replace lines in pastebin with "..." like they don't matter. that's helpful |
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| 00:50.21 | rjsalts | markybob: don't be hating on the ellipsis |
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| 00:50.56 | markybob | they make it impossible to be helped. i don't understand what they want from us. |
| 00:51.31 | markybob | today's been special in here though. |
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| 00:56.03 | jmcnaught | mylord: the mongodb-org-server and mongodb-org packages look like they came from some non-Debian repo (possibly mongodb upstream?). You'll need to ask the people who make those packages why they break. Or consider using the Debian packages. |
| 00:56.42 | rjsalts | mylord: or fix the broken preinst/postinst/... yourself |
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| 01:01.52 | kutchbhi | Is there a tool/daemon that can receive messages -> run a background command -> manage number of tasks running simulatenously? |
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| 01:04.03 | kutchbhi | Details of Question: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/282398/daemon-to-receive-messages-run-background-command-manage-number-of-tasks: |
| 01:04.11 | kutchbhi | Details of Question: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/282398/daemon-to-receive-messages-run-background-command-manage-number-of-tasks |
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| 01:08.59 | liujianfeng | hello, how does wanna-build rebuild a package? |
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| 01:09.36 | markybob | liujianfeng: what's the purpose/goal? |
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| 01:10.36 | liujianfeng | markybob: if build deps has update, package should rebuild |
| 01:11.03 | markybob | liujianfeng: there's no automated way to do that |
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| 01:11.36 | liujianfeng | markybob: so debian now does it by hand? |
| 01:11.45 | markybob | yes |
| 01:11.46 | markybob | !ssb |
| 01:11.47 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 01:12.17 | markybob | but when build deps but upgraded...you have to redo everything |
| 01:12.42 | markybob | get* upgraded |
| 01:13.36 | liujianfeng | I don't mean building on my own pc |
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| 01:13.52 | markybob | so you need to communicate better |
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| 01:14.22 | liujianfeng | https://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-video-vmware for example, this package's version is the source version +b1 |
| 01:14.48 | markybob | ,v checkbacport xserver-xorg-video-vmware |
| 01:14.53 | judd | No package named 'checkbacport' was found in amd64. |
| 01:14.56 | markybob | ,checkbacport xserver-xorg-video-vmware |
| 01:15.06 | markybob | ,checkbackport xserver-xorg-video-vmware |
| 01:15.11 | judd | Backporting package xserver-xorg-video-vmware in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 01:15.12 | markybob | goddamn i can't spell tonight |
| 01:15.57 | markybob | liujianfeng: anyway, why? jessie has the same version as sid |
| 01:16.05 | jml2 | ,v boo |
| 01:16.06 | judd | Package: boo on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.2.3383+dfsg-1; jessie: 0.9.5~git20110729.r1.202a430-2; wheezy: 0.9.5~git20110729.r1.202a430-2 |
| 01:16.45 | markybob | oh i'm sorry. 13.0.2 vs 13.1.0 |
| 01:16.50 | markybob | so ssb is what you need to do |
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| 01:17.44 | liujianfeng | not jessie and sid |
| 01:18.29 | markybob | i feel like i'm trying to read your mind. |
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| 01:18.37 | liujianfeng | the source version of sid is 1:13.1.0-2, but the deb version is 1:13.1.0-2+b1 |
| 01:18.52 | markybob | liujianfeng: are you running sid? |
| 01:18.58 | liujianfeng | yes |
| 01:19.14 | markybob | liujianfeng: so you're in the wrong place. go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic for sid support |
| 01:19.36 | liujianfeng | markybob: thank you |
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| 01:28.05 | liujianfeng | oh I can't join #debian-next |
| 01:28.30 | markybob | liujianfeng: wrong network. if you're running sid you should be able to follow instructions. irc.oftc.net not freenode which is where you are |
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| 01:30.05 | notadrop | Hi, what is the default user and pass for root on the Live installer? |
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| 01:30.47 | markybob | notadrop: username user password live |
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| 01:31.01 | notadrop | thanks, markybob. |
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| 02:18.19 | ryouma | what is a good, low-hassle indexer that is available in debian? hyperestraier, namazu, ...? |
| 02:22.25 | ryouma | should questions like this be better directed in #linux? is there a good popcon interface for /categories/ like this, and is it a good place to start or just kind of mainly used for selecting initial sw to put on the installation cd? |
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| 02:27.05 | wych | I find /sys/block/sdX/queue/rotational always returns 1 wether the disk is HDD or SSD. seems kernel doesn't know the disk is SSD. I am using jessie and intel SSD |
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| 02:38.25 | datess_ | Do you know if it's safer openrc or systemd for Debian? |
| 02:38.37 | datess_ | which one is more |
| 02:39.53 | markybob | on debian systemd is far safer |
| 02:40.09 | markybob | which is the default for jessie |
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| 02:51.14 | datess_ | why is safer markybob? Doesn't systemd depend too much on PID 1? |
| 02:52.25 | markybob | datess_: i just know what the wiki says and it has a huge warning - can make it unbootable. i've never used it. systemd is stable and pretty great in jessie. https://wiki.debian.org/OpenRC |
| 02:53.45 | datess_ | If that were true, Devuan wouldn't exist |
| 02:54.02 | markybob | not at all true |
| 02:54.06 | markybob | but that's offtopic |
| 02:54.19 | rjsalts | datess_: systemd is PID 1 if you're using it for your init. It's safer than openrc because package maintainers have tested their scripts with systemd as it's the default. OpenRC you're on your own |
| 02:54.29 | jmcnaught | datess_: systemd's going to be better supported on Jessie because it's the default, so more work has gone into it. There is a lot of FUD about systemd, but for most people it does work very well and brings a lot of new functionality |
| 02:56.11 | datess_ | I mean for init yes, well I don't agree it's safer just because Debian is testing it, Openrc is older and was tested in other distros. Maybe brings new functionality, but I'm asking for security |
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| 02:56.36 | markybob | datess_: you asked about jessie. not in general |
| 02:57.28 | datess_ | I asked about Debian, but still |
| 02:57.42 | markybob | plus i still thing systemd is better. still offtopic. #debian-offtopic |
| 02:57.58 | markybob | think* |
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| 02:59.29 | datess_ | ok goodbye |
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| 03:02.40 | markybob | dvs: you keep logging off and on and we're not going to get your smartass comments |
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| 03:03.25 | dvs | heh |
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| 03:08.00 | k_sze[work] | Can somebody enlighten me? What exactly does the --physical switch of `ln` do? |
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| 03:08.55 | markybob | k_sze[work]: did you man ln? it's pretty clear. "make hard links directly to symbolic links" |
| 03:09.44 | k_sze[work] | I did. Does it mean that if foo were a symlink, and I did `ln fu foo`, fu would have pointed to the target of foo, unless I specifiec --physical, in which case fu would really point to the foo symlink and not the target of the foo symlink? |
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| 03:48.24 | lohang | hello, I want to download a debian live image from here : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/bt-hybrid/ what's the desktop environment you have in the debian-live-8.4.0-i386-standard.iso? |
| 03:48.34 | lohang | is it gnome? |
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| 03:52.56 | CptHowdy | i have an error as follows "Warning: resolv.conf is not a symbolic link" and "bringing up lo: fail" then system halts |
| 03:53.20 | CptHowdy | ever seen anything like this anyone? |
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| 03:58.05 | simonlnu | lohang: probably gnome, there's some others |
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| 03:58.21 | simonlnu | !resolvconf |
| 03:58.22 | dpkg | resolvconf is probably a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>. |
| 03:58.37 | simonlnu | CptHowdy: ^^ |
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| 03:58.58 | simonlnu | resolvconf makes that symlink |
| 03:59.21 | lohang | simonlnu: thanks, I started downloading the xfce version |
| 03:59.37 | CptHowdy | ok so system halts at line "lo failure" |
| 03:59.53 | simonlnu | couldn't bring up lo interface |
| 03:59.54 | CptHowdy | ive never seen this happen before |
| 03:59.59 | CptHowdy | right |
| 04:00.13 | simonlnu | if that happens, nothing else comes up |
| 04:00.29 | simonlnu | !fixresolvconf |
| 04:00.29 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>. |
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| 04:00.49 | CptHowdy | yea it just hangs and nothing else happens in boot sequence. . . even tried rescue mode |
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| 04:01.35 | simonlnu | i meant network-wise. |
| 04:02.15 | CptHowdy | i dont understand why a dns error will completely stop boot process |
| 04:02.19 | simonlnu | other stuff dependent on lo (and up) will time out. |
| 04:02.30 | CptHowdy | aah i see |
| 04:02.43 | simonlnu | using network-manager? |
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| 04:03.27 | CptHowdy | its actually openmediavault built on top od debian 7 wheezy |
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| 04:03.48 | CptHowdy | i think it does use network-manager but not 100% |
| 04:04.00 | simonlnu | no clue what that is. |
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| 04:04.24 | CptHowdy | its a media server |
| 04:04.30 | simonlnu | no clue what they've done. we don't support non-debian. |
| 04:05.00 | simonlnu | tried their channel/support forum? |
| 04:05.11 | CptHowdy | openmediavault was just a package i added on top of wheezy |
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| 04:05.24 | CptHowdy | yes im in there too |
| 04:05.41 | simonlnu | oh ok. do they mess with networking at all, in that packaging? |
| 04:06.00 | simonlnu | i'm guessing they do.. |
| 04:06.33 | simonlnu | well, make that symlink and it'll likely be ok. |
| 04:06.33 | CptHowdy | yes the web interface manages everything from mounts, samba shares, networking |
| 04:06.53 | simonlnu | it's either dangling or otherwise broken. |
| 04:07.48 | CptHowdy | first i gotta get the d*** computer booted up |
| 04:08.00 | CptHowdy | working on that as we speak |
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| 04:09.25 | jmcnaught | CptHowdy: are you able to get far enough in the boot to see what's inside /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:10.03 | simonlnu | next logical question ;) |
| 04:10.07 | CptHowdy | no boot process completely freezes at lo failure |
| 04:10.24 | simonlnu | init=/bin/bash ;) |
| 04:10.34 | simonlnu | sysvinit, in wheezy |
| 04:11.06 | simonlnu | has no clue what to do with systemd, it's probably a 20-char line :P |
| 04:11.15 | CptHowdy | lol |
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| 04:11.36 | simonlnu | likes systemd |
| 04:11.59 | jmcnaught | booting with init=/bin/bash would do the same thing on a systemd system as sysvinit i'm pretty sure |
| 04:12.34 | jmcnaught | systemd has a debug-shell.service you can add to the boot parameters that opens a root shell on tty9 during early boot that is pretty handy |
| 04:12.37 | simonlnu | that's what i was thinking |
| 04:12.46 | simonlnu | ooh, ok |
| 04:13.17 | CptHowdy | my plan was to boot a live distro and check the files in question |
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| 04:13.25 | simonlnu | i'll have to check that out. |
| 04:13.37 | simonlnu | CptHowdy: that would be a good option. |
| 04:13.52 | CptHowdy | thanks |
| 04:13.59 | jmcnaught | CptHowdy: yeah, that's what i would do next if init=/bin/bash doesn't work |
| 04:14.05 | simonlnu | yeah |
| 04:14.25 | CptHowdy | this channel is way more productive than when i need help in centos chan |
| 04:14.37 | CptHowdy | just throwing that out there. . . haha |
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| 04:15.05 | simonlnu | i've used centos. i don't like it very much. |
| 04:15.11 | simonlnu | </ot> |
| 04:16.05 | CptHowdy | i use it for a soon to be production server that i was unwillingly volunteered to build |
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| 04:17.02 | simonlnu | something to be said with centralised package distribution. *points at debian and arch* |
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| 04:17.49 | CptHowdy | im not advanced enough to know the specific differences. . . still learning |
| 04:18.21 | simonlnu | i briefly managed a prod server, just getting some more up to date php was a PITA. |
| 04:18.24 | CptHowdy | debian is still my favorite |
| 04:18.32 | CptHowdy | lol |
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| 04:18.59 | simonlnu | in debian i can use backports or *won't say what* |
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| 04:20.09 | simonlnu | my xen host had a choice between arch, centos, debian and something else i think. i jumped on the debian ;). |
| 04:20.31 | CptHowdy | haha i bet. . . i probably would have too |
| 04:20.53 | simonlnu | i didn't know arch, and centos gave me shivers. |
| 04:21.22 | simonlnu | debian and arch are similar. there's some big differences though. |
| 04:22.11 | CptHowdy | i had some fun with the cent server i put together. . . when the IT dept tries to ssh to it to lock me out of it. . . . they better be good guessers. . . there is a 7 port knock sequence to open ssh port. . . lol |
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| 04:24.53 | Arcanos | Hello |
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| 04:25.24 | simonlnu | hehe, nice one |
| 04:26.47 | CptHowdy | yea some say im a bit paraboid |
| 04:26.57 | CptHowdy | *paranoid |
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| 04:33.47 | simonlnu | you knew enough to stick on a knockd ;). |
| 04:35.32 | CptHowdy | lol im a cheater |
| 04:35.44 | CptHowdy | i do know how to use google |
| 04:36.32 | CptHowdy | didnt use a daemon tho. . . was iptables fuckery |
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| 04:41.10 | CptHowdy | its amazing how consistent seagate drives are. . . im just amazed |
| 04:41.53 | simonlnu | i used to swear by saegates |
| 04:41.56 | simonlnu | sea* |
| 04:41.57 | CptHowdy | consistent failures |
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| 04:42.12 | CptHowdy | i used to. . . like in the 90's |
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| 04:44.37 | penrod | greetings, would there be any issues installing Jessie on an older raid card (3ware 9500s) ? |
| 04:44.42 | CptHowdy | in the past few years i've had really good luck with WD drives. . . especially the "SE" and "RED" |
| 04:44.43 | simonlnu | yeah, in the 90s. now i dunno. doesn't seem like there's much like that anymore. everything is made to break. |
| 04:45.00 | simonlnu | penrod: as long as the kernel supports it, no. |
| 04:46.08 | penrod | it recognizes it, so I suspect isn't an issue. some time ago, you had to go get the utilities for it from a 3rd party site. and that site is no longer available. |
| 04:46.11 | simonlnu | notes gcc 6 in sid |
| 04:47.25 | simonlnu | hm ok. probably firmware stuffs. |
| 04:47.42 | simonlnu | new kernel, needing reboot |
| 04:48.03 | penrod | i think it was a cli program for the raid card. |
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| 04:48.57 | CptHowdy | maybe if you're planning on using JBOD or MDADM then you might not need that anyway |
| 04:49.10 | CptHowdy | penrod:^^ |
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| 04:49.59 | CptHowdy | simonlnu: any idea why a raid5 would have faster write times than read?? |
| 04:50.00 | penrod | the only thing I really need is , " the email alert if a disk fails" |
| 04:50.36 | CptHowdy | penrod: you can configure that with a monit daemon |
| 04:51.47 | CptHowdy | https://ioflood.com/blog/2015/04/21/setting-up-software-raid-mdadm-status-alert-emails-for-failed-drives-in-centos-ubuntu-and-debian/ |
| 04:51.57 | CptHowdy | penrod: ^^ |
| 04:52.24 | penrod | CptHowdy, thank you I will be checking that out |
| 04:52.45 | CptHowdy | thats for using MDADM (software raid) |
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| 04:53.20 | penrod | oh, I have an aversion on fake (software) raid. Too many issues in the past. |
| 04:53.23 | CptHowdy | i personally like MDADM better than hardware since its more versatile |
| 04:53.44 | aypea[1] | raid cache is nice, though |
| 04:53.45 | penrod | it may be more versatile, but past experience says "Run away" |
| 04:54.05 | aypea[1] | penrod: i've run it on over 50 servers in the past. no issues with it. |
| 04:54.09 | CptHowdy | mine has went well for 3 yrs solid |
| 04:54.19 | aypea[1] | around 8 for me |
| 04:54.32 | aypea[1] | infact some are still going (so it's 11). |
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| 04:55.16 | CptHowdy | i like the idea of being able to boot the system to manage it haha |
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| 04:56.52 | penrod | CptHowdy, how many users accessing it ? |
| 04:57.14 | CptHowdy | aypea[1]: any thoughts on why raid5 would have slower read speeds than write |
| 04:57.15 | penrod | did it survive any "torture testing " ? |
| 04:57.32 | CptHowdy | about 30 |
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| 04:57.59 | CptHowdy | its on a media server that i rent to my friends using plex for streaming |
| 04:58.00 | penrod | hmm, I may have to reconsider |
| 04:58.27 | CptHowdy | if its high use then think about that when selecting drives |
| 04:58.41 | CptHowdy | dont get a desktop drive for a server |
| 04:58.43 | aypea[1] | CptHowdy: odd. it's been a while but have you tried tweaking its stripe_cache_size? |
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| 04:59.16 | CptHowdy | no i havent i think its using jumbo blocks if i remember correctly |
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| 04:59.28 | simonlnu | i'm very rusty on my raid stuffs. |
| 04:59.28 | CptHowdy | i will check into that |
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| 04:59.40 | aypea[1] | jumbo blocks? |
| 05:00.01 | CptHowdy | thats what the documentation i read at the time said |
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| 05:00.17 | CptHowdy | maybe i didnt use the correct terminology |
| 05:00.43 | aypea[1] | perhaps. not heard of jumbo being used outside of the network config. |
| 05:01.05 | CptHowdy | havent messed with it in months. . . figured it was working ok so focused on other things |
| 05:01.20 | CptHowdy | maybe im thinking of something else |
| 05:01.42 | CptHowdy | when i get this resolv.conf fixed so it will boot i will look lol |
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| 05:06.51 | qis | Files like /etc/network/interfaces use the "conf" filetype syntax in vim. What would be the apropriate syntax on github? Here is a list: https://github.com/github/linguist/blob/master/lib/linguist/languages.yml |
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| 05:14.31 | mrrhq | qis: It's not really in any format, but the closest I can think is INI format, just because it uses the pound symbol (#) as comments. |
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| 05:16.23 | qis | mrrhq: Hmm, "nginx" seems to work well too: https://github.com/qis/install/tree/master/debian#configuration |
| 05:16.44 | qis | The "allow-hotplug eth1" highlighting is ugly though. |
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| 05:17.03 | s4ndm4n | I am getting this error at boot: https://i.imgur.com/uj61Nme.png After supplying the password, the system boots fine. Is there a way to avoid this at boot? |
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| 05:26.40 | CptHowdy | where should resolv.conf be pointing to. . . and it is a file not symlink |
| 05:27.09 | CptHowdy | brb store run |
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| 05:29.33 | scribe | s/pgp/gpg |
| 05:30.03 | scribe | I tried -k and the ID of the key but this returns BADSIG _gpgorigin |
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| 05:33.19 | qis | CptHowdy: It might be a good idea to set the DNS servers using the "dns-nameservers" option in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 05:40.37 | reev | hey does @reboot myscript.sh works in /etc/crontab in debian ? |
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| 05:42.27 | prussian | reev: i don't see why not? |
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| 05:45.50 | reev | prussian: do i need to use user as well like @reboot root script.sh or not? |
| 05:46.06 | reev | or just @reboot command works as well |
| 05:48.14 | prussian | just @reboot the commad |
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| 05:48.25 | prussian | if you want user use su user -c "command" |
| 05:48.45 | prussian | honestly, it would be better to make a proper init script or systemd service file. |
| 05:48.50 | prussian | but meh |
| 05:49.49 | reev | prussian: okay , thanks btw |
| 05:49.57 | prussian | no problem |
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| 06:38.56 | CptHowdy | i got it to boot finally woohoo. . . thanks |
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| 07:09.07 | Cloudwalker42 | cat /etc/ |
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| 07:16.37 | pagios | hello |
| 07:16.37 | pagios | configure.ac:11: require Automake 1.14, but have 1.11.6 even though iam using Debian GNU/Linux 7.9 (wheezy) |
| 07:16.40 | pagios | how can i solve this |
| 07:17.25 | prussian | did you ever do apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 07:17.33 | pagios | prussian: no |
| 07:17.53 | prussian | ok good lol. |
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| 07:18.03 | prussian | what are you trying to build? |
| 07:18.05 | pagios | prussian: what does that do |
| 07:18.09 | pagios | gstreamer |
| 07:18.44 | prussian | is the gstreamer in the repos not good enough? |
| 07:18.52 | pagios | no |
| 07:19.03 | prussian | well..... |
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| 07:19.13 | prussian | you're in for a hell of a ride. |
| 07:19.28 | prussian | you're probably going to have to build automake from source too |
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| 07:20.40 | pagios | prussian: does dist-update require a reboot |
| 07:20.48 | prussian | no |
| 07:20.54 | prussian | it just might break things |
| 07:21.08 | prussian | especially dependency things, but you're building something |
| 07:21.21 | prussian | I didn't see the word configure.ac until later |
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| 07:33.29 | venkat_330 | Hi we are trying to work on a new POS project. Before buying it i am just trying to list HW support under debian 8.. |
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| 07:34.54 | venkat_330 | so I just want to get list of touch devices that are supported by debian.. Is there a way to get that list |
| 07:35.54 | dagerik | why is echo kek | mailx -v -r 'wee@well.trtr.no (onkel skrue)' not changing the MAIL FROM |
| 07:37.23 | petemc | go# |
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| 07:42.27 | JyZyXEL | how do i view the changelog of debian package? |
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| 07:44.04 | MCMic | http://paste.debian.net/683319/ -> What am I missing? Why canât I create a file while Iâm in a group with write access? |
| 07:45.05 | dagerik | the html folder is in group root |
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| 07:46.08 | MCMic | Oh, I thought it was the other way around |
| 07:46.16 | MCMic | root is the group and www-data the user |
| 07:46.21 | MCMic | dagerik: Thanks a lot |
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| 07:50.50 | adac | Dear friends, how or where can I see, when a package was lastly updated with in a debian version? Mean when there was a new version added to the debian base version of for example jessie? |
| 07:52.13 | frenchie | packages.debian.org adac ? |
| 07:52.26 | ksx4system | adac: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/o/openbox/openbox_3.5.2-8_changelog like this |
| 07:52.45 | ksx4system | just click "debian changelog" on packages.debian.org/release/packagename |
| 07:53.18 | adac | frenchie, ksx4system thanks a lot! |
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| 07:54.15 | adac | Is jessie still updated btw, mean until today? |
| 07:54.31 | ksx4system | yup |
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| 08:04.28 | adac | ksx4system, I think Imagemgick would need an upgrade because of security flaws. But maybe this is already in the making :) |
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| 08:04.50 | adac | *Imagemagick |
| 08:04.53 | ksx4system | it might be patched already |
| 08:04.59 | dagerik | imagetragic |
| 08:05.06 | adac | :D |
| 08:05.16 | ksx4system | dagerik: huehuehue :D |
| 08:05.26 | adac | how can one see if it has been patched? |
| 08:06.03 | adac | http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/i/imagemagick/imagemagick_6.8.9.9-5+deb8u1_changelog |
| 08:06.12 | adac | Sat, 09 Jan 2016 23:05:59 +0100 |
| 08:06.24 | ksx4system | actually read this changelog :) |
| 08:06.31 | adac | so it hasn't :D |
| 08:07.10 | ksx4system | because there's not the latest version number? *read* it carefully |
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| 08:08.36 | adac | ksx4system, I thought because of the date in the changelog, which dates to Sat, 09 Jan 2016 23:05:59 +0100 |
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| 08:32.39 | MaBunny | Hey guys its about the old problem |
| 08:33.19 | MaBunny | Yesterday nite jhutchins asked me to check with e2fsck the integrity of the disk |
| 08:33.48 | MaBunny | I had done tht yesterday...srry for naming you directly pal |
| 08:34.13 | MaBunny | I didnt notice but i had the man pages in my phone so |
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| 08:35.01 | MaBunny | If there is any command to change the disk permissions thn pls tell me guys...ill do the rest :D |
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| 08:42.22 | adac | ksx4system, Does the date not show the when the latest change has occured? Maybe I do get this wrong? |
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| 08:44.25 | posix | hi guys |
| 08:44.52 | posix | where do i chanse system dpi's , i have just installed nvidia driver, and dpi is verry low from fonts |
| 08:45.29 | posix | i dont see the xorg.conf :( |
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| 08:47.18 | frenchie | adac : maybe it's fixed in sid , check the sid changelog : http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/i/imagemagick/imagemagick_6.8.9.9-7_changelog |
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| 08:53.10 | alphazulu | hi, i would like to have all mail to a local system account also get forwarded to an external account |
| 08:53.35 | alphazulu | i know i can put an alias in /etc/aliases but then the mail would only go to the external account |
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| 08:55.27 | MaBunny | So guys is this break time??? |
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| 08:56.30 | frenchie | lmgtfy alphazulu : http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/26666/can-i-change-roots-email-address-or-forward-it-to-an-external-address |
| 08:56.35 | adac | frenchie, if the date in this changelog is showing the last activity/ the last time the package was udpated/patched, then the recent discovered security flaws does not seem to fixed neither in sid |
| 08:56.58 | frenchie | yes sid is the most current adac |
| 08:57.05 | bezaban | alphazulu: put multiple usernames hosts in /etc/aliases |
| 08:57.17 | bezaban | email addresses* |
| 08:57.25 | bezaban | comma separated |
| 08:57.39 | adac | frenchie, I only have a german article here, but Heise is very reliable: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Boese-Bilder-Akute-Angriffe-auf-Webseiten-ueber-ImageMagick-3200773.html |
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| 08:58.59 | Bobbix | Hi, why WINE is not compatible with debian 8.4 ??? |
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| 08:59.30 | alphazulu | frenchie: thanks. i forgot about .forward |
| 08:59.31 | Monalisa_ | how to check open ports |
| 08:59.48 | MaBunny | Ok ill just reinstall my system :( |
| 09:00.19 | Bobbix | I've tried with LXDE and MATE (Gnome) but the installation is broken, i don't get all WINE files installed and no new voices in the menu list. |
| 09:00.23 | frenchie | nmap Monalisa_ |
| 09:01.16 | Monalisa_ | sudo: nmap: command not found |
| 09:01.24 | frenchie | aptitude install .. |
| 09:01.27 | Monalisa_ | sudo: nmap: command not found |
| 09:01.53 | alphazulu | bezaban: thanks that also works just like .forward! |
| 09:02.21 | Monalisa_ | how to check open ports sudo: nmap: command not found |
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| 09:03.37 | Bobbix | Anyone have installed WINE on Debian with success? I cannot get WINE working since i've installed first Debian 8.2 with LXDE, and now same behaviour on Debian Mate 8.4 |
| 09:03.48 | Monalisa_ | how to check open ports sudo: nmap: command not found |
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| 09:04.56 | lesta | install nmap |
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| 09:06.04 | alphazulu | Bobbix: you can always try Crossover from Codeweavers if you are doing a lot of Windows stuff |
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| 09:09.20 | MaBunny | Anyways...if i install debianon another pendrive thn is it possible to get the files of my prev debian system(which was in another pendrive) back by just plugging it into the current one?? |
| 09:09.28 | MaBunny | *debian on |
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| 09:10.24 | Bobbix | alphazulu: thanks, i will try, but no, i need wine to run some litte standalone programs and windows utility thath i need to do some operation, example i use notepad++ as editor, and i want to run under lnux too. |
| 09:11.17 | MaBunny | Bobbix there are good editors in linux too |
| 09:11.34 | alphazulu | vim is the best :-) |
| 09:11.36 | Bobbix | But WINE was a good solutions for little (and otghers) needs like mine... i'm very hungry to see that the project is going into trash. |
| 09:11.36 | MaBunny | And i dont mean vim,emacs or nani |
| 09:12.05 | alphazulu | vim is a good editor. one of the best! |
| 09:12.09 | MaBunny | You mean sad?? |
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| 09:12.38 | MaBunny | Yes vim is good...but i use fte for my cpp projects |
| 09:12.52 | Bobbix | alphazulu: have you never user notepad++ enrighed with all type of extensions? I do anyting with minimum effort, ... no any editor can do all this for me. |
| 09:12.53 | MaBunny | Besides there are lots of thm |
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| 09:13.30 | MaBunny | Bobbix is notepad++ open source?? |
| 09:13.37 | alphazulu | Bobbix: notepad++ is good |
| 09:14.01 | MaBunny | If it is thn port it to linux :D |
| 09:14.30 | Ticho | wine is not a project that is going into trash |
| 09:14.39 | Ticho | it's still fully alive |
| 09:15.00 | Bobbix | MaBunny: yes more users have requested a porting... but the programmer has requested an help to do this... anyone have helped? I think no. |
| 09:15.16 | MaBunny | Yeah |
| 09:15.42 | Bobbix | Ticho: i cannot install WINE using the guide published on the offical site (the repository is not available) |
| 09:16.05 | Ticho | you install wine with "apt-get install wine" :) |
| 09:16.06 | Bobbix | And the version is still for sometimes... i think WINE is going to the abandonware. |
| 09:16.35 | Bobbix | Ticho: try yourselv, you will not able to install and to work under Debian |
| 09:16.38 | Ticho | do you really think so? they have new version every few weeks, the development is still very active |
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| 09:16.51 | Ticho | I'm using wine on debian quite often, it works just fine |
| 09:16.54 | posix | HOW do i create a new xorg.conf i delete the nvidia one by mistake :||||| |
| 09:17.04 | Bobbix | Ticho: impossible |
| 09:17.16 | MaBunny | Bobbix debian has older ver of software in its repos...if thts wht you mean |
| 09:17.31 | MaBunny | I had this problem too |
| 09:17.47 | MaBunny | In my earlier system |
| 09:17.55 | Bobbix | MaBunny: resolved? |
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| 09:18.10 | MaBunny | No...system crashed somehow |
| 09:18.38 | MaBunny | But you can try to get the latest ver from the devs site |
| 09:19.27 | MaBunny | You just hav to configure...make...make install |
| 09:19.48 | Bobbix | I'm using a FRESH installation of Debian 8.4 (Italian), isntalled just Apache and Mysql, and now i'm trying to install WIN, i don't see menu voices and i don't find alla needed files on the file-system, so the installation is broken, even if i follow the online guide, step by step |
| 09:20.03 | Ticho | or, without having to compile, via playonlinux - which is more targeted at games, but you can use it to launch any application |
| 09:20.05 | Bobbix | MaBunny: compiling? |
| 09:20.16 | Bobbix | OK |
| 09:20.20 | MaBunny | Yeah compile it yourself |
| 09:20.33 | MaBunny | Though sometimes its tough |
| 09:20.33 | Bobbix | So, Crossover or Playonlinux are alternatives to Wine? |
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| 09:21.05 | Bobbix | OK, i will try first Alternatives, so the next step is the compilation from sources |
| 09:21.12 | Bobbix | Thanks to all |
| 09:21.16 | MaBunny | Wait |
| 09:21.22 | Ticho | no, playonlinux is just a wrapper around wine; it allows you to create "profiles" for each individual app, use several versions of wine independently of the wine you have installed on the system |
| 09:21.27 | posix | do you guys read what i am sayng ? |
| 09:21.32 | posix | saing* |
| 09:21.34 | MaBunny | You did try apt get install wine?? |
| 09:21.50 | Bobbix | MaBunny: i will try now if y want |
| 09:21.59 | MaBunny | Try both |
| 09:22.07 | Bobbix | What first? |
| 09:22.09 | MaBunny | But first apt |
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| 09:22.41 | MaBunny | If you are not happy thn compile it yourself |
| 09:22.48 | Bobbix | OK, wait i'm starting Debian (vittual machines) |
| 09:22.54 | MaBunny | :D |
| 09:24.05 | frenchie | posix : looks like there's a sample nvida xorg.conf in bumblebee package, maybe try to use that : https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/bumblebee |
| 09:24.26 | frenchie | "/usr/share/bumblebee/default-conf/xorg.conf.nvidia" |
| 09:24.48 | Bobbix | MaBunny: done (sudo apt-get install wine) the installation has terminated with no errors, BUT i don't see anu menu entry for wine |
| 09:25.10 | Bobbix | and if i search .wine or "disk_c" directory i can't find |
| 09:25.15 | MaBunny | Idk start a terminal |
| 09:25.18 | Bobbix | :-/ |
| 09:25.22 | MaBunny | Then type wine |
| 09:25.33 | MaBunny | I hav never used it :( |
| 09:25.48 | Bobbix | The binary is present on the file-system (under /bon) |
| 09:25.53 | MaBunny | Idk |
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| 09:26.05 | posix | hi |
| 09:26.13 | Bobbix | MaBunny: ? |
| 09:26.16 | posix | does anyone see what i am typing ??!?! |
| 09:26.20 | jercos | no |
| 09:26.22 | MaBunny | Ask anyone else now who has used wine Bobbix |
| 09:26.46 | MaBunny | But dont give up :D |
| 09:27.02 | lesta | maybe winetricks..maybe google |
| 09:27.02 | lesta | bon? |
| 09:27.11 | posix | someone kind enought, can put this file online on dpaste.com ??!?!? FILE: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/nvidia-drm-outputclass.conf |
| 09:27.12 | posix | TKS! |
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| 09:27.26 | posix | i lost mine |
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| 09:28.10 | Bobbix | I've used wine in the pas MaBunny, but now the insallation (thah i know) i see it's not complete, more files are missing, and the configuration it's not done, no disk_c directory that are deeded for notepad.exe (frist program installed with wine) and as repo for future windows software installation... SO cannot work in this conditions. |
| 09:28.27 | frenchie | You can also try this one posix: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 09:28.32 | MaBunny | Why is my new installation taking so much time in the Detecting Hardware window |
| 09:28.35 | MaBunny | Bobbix |
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| 09:28.55 | posix | ohh frenchie i ll try ty |
| 09:28.59 | MaBunny | Did the installation happened completely?? |
| 09:29.04 | Bobbix | Yes |
| 09:29.09 | MaBunny | Ok |
| 09:29.09 | Bobbix | no error |
| 09:29.21 | Bobbix | but it's not complete (i know) |
| 09:29.36 | Bobbix | A lot of files and directory not installed and not configured |
| 09:29.46 | MaBunny | It happens tht from ver to ver...the base paths of various files changes |
| 09:30.25 | MaBunny | You need to also hav a look for your version of wine at their site |
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| 09:31.01 | MaBunny | Maybe you might come across the same problems there ;) |
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| 09:31.30 | MaBunny | Im on my smartphone bobbix...my only computer is dead so |
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| 09:31.51 | MaBunny | You can imagine my situation :3 |
| 09:32.00 | Bobbix | OK ok, i will try other ways |
| 09:32.06 | Bobbix | Thanks (i've to work now) |
| 09:32.07 | MaBunny | Yeah |
| 09:32.08 | Bobbix | Bye |
| 09:32.09 | TvL2386 | is kickstart adding anything that cannot be done with preseeding and vice versa? |
| 09:32.18 | Bobbix | (and thanks) |
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| 09:32.20 | MaBunny | Ok |
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| 09:43.40 | MaBunny | Hey guys one serious question |
| 09:44.02 | MaBunny | Does debian support Sandisk 64gb pendrives?? |
| 09:44.20 | TomTomTosch | sure |
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| 09:44.44 | MaBunny | But |
| 09:44.49 | TomTomTosch | no butts. |
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| 09:45.01 | erm3nda | 128gb ram ... 64gb pendrive is nothing :V |
| 09:45.33 | MaBunny | The Sandisk 64gb pendrive which i had was taking time in the detecting hardware screen |
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| 09:46.15 | MaBunny | And when i plugged my 16gb pendrive...it didnt take time in tht screen at all |
| 09:46.30 | erm3nda | butt haha |
| 09:46.30 | erm3nda | culo |
| 09:46.38 | MaBunny | Lucky me |
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| 09:47.44 | MaBunny | Idk which product it was btw |
| 09:48.07 | MaBunny | TomTomTosch i hav a question |
| 09:48.34 | MaBunny | Anyways...if i install debianon another pendrive thn is it possible to get the files of my prev debian system(which was in another pendrive) back by just plugging it into the current one?? |
| 09:49.16 | bazhang | plugging a usb into a usb? |
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| 09:49.47 | TomTomTosch | start your new system, mount the old usb, copy relevant files over. |
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| 09:50.18 | MaBunny | Ok thnx |
| 09:51.01 | TomTomTosch | good luck. not sure why it hangs with the other pendrive though. |
| 09:51.02 | MaBunny | Ok if i get my torrent files and some save games thn i could be really happy :D |
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| 09:51.36 | MaBunny | Ill tell you the product name once ive my system installed,ok??? |
| 09:51.51 | TomTomTosch | okayo |
| 09:51.56 | MaBunny | Hehe |
| 09:52.30 | MaBunny | By the way how jmcnaught?? Is he in the debian-offtopic chan?? |
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| 09:53.46 | TomTomTosch | probably sleeping. |
| 09:54.12 | MaBunny | So anyways thnx |
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| 09:55.27 | TomTomTosch | how often did you reinstall your system lately anyway? seems to me you do that every other week x) |
| 09:56.12 | MaBunny | Haha once in every two months,maybe |
| 09:56.53 | MaBunny | I remember i had installed the prev one in March,after exams |
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| 09:57.33 | TomTomTosch | ah, right. then i had the wrong impression x) |
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| 09:57.50 | MaBunny | Hehe |
| 09:57.57 | yvm | Sup. When I try to start second Xorg instance with xinit -- :1, I get error: parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory), /dev/tty0 is at it's place, though. |
| 09:57.59 | yvm | Why? |
| 09:58.44 | MaBunny | TomTomTosch you had a good sleep,did you?? |
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| 10:33.06 | p0rt | hey, I have a problem. Whenever I install something I get information saying update-alternatives: error: alternative link /usr/bin/x-www-browser is already managed by firefox |
| 10:33.07 | p0rt | dpkg: error processing package chromium (--configure): |
| 10:33.08 | dpkg | p0rt: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 10:33.09 | p0rt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.11 | p0rt | Setting up tcsh (6.18.01-3) ... |
| 10:33.14 | p0rt | update-alternatives: using /bin/tcsh to provide /bin/csh (csh) in auto mode |
| 10:33.16 | p0rt | Processing triggers for menu (2.1.47) ... |
| 10:33.17 | p0rt | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 10:33.19 | p0rt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.22 | p0rt | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 10:36.09 | p0rt | so, there it is: https://paste.debian.net/683339/ |
| 10:36.19 | p0rt | Whenever I install a package this appears |
| 10:36.49 | p0rt | I was trying to fix this by manually changing alternatives so chrome will be main alternative |
| 10:37.02 | p0rt | But there is no alternative such as x-www-browser |
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| 10:37.10 | p0rt | Any ideas what can it be? |
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| 10:37.38 | p0rt | And, more importantly: what can I do? |
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| 10:39.58 | nkuttler | p0rt: have you tried to run update-alternatives by hand? |
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| 10:42.25 | p0rt | nkuttler: yeah, I did |
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| 10:42.43 | p0rt | It says that x-www-browser is already managed by firefox |
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| 10:43.27 | nkuttler | p0rt: which command did you run? |
| 10:44.21 | nkuttler | oh wait, firefox? through an external repo? |
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| 10:46.54 | markybob | nkuttler: firefox is in debian now |
| 10:46.57 | markybob | ,v firefox |
| 10:46.58 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 46.0.1-1~bpo80+1; sid: 46.0.1-1; experimental: 47.0~b1-1 |
| 10:47.16 | markybob | and there are others on mozilla.debian.net |
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| 10:51.21 | alphazulu | my gosh setting up owncloud is a pain |
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| 10:53.05 | fireba11 | alphazulu: not really |
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| 10:57.21 | alphazulu | ok got it now. php was not enabled in apache |
| 10:57.53 | fireba11 | :-P |
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| 11:02.44 | MaxFrames | hello |
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| 11:04.00 | winsen1 | Hi all |
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| 11:08.37 | winsen1 | When I run the command: 'apt-get update', I got this following warning: "There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 1397BC53640DB551" This is the only warning I got and I don't get any error. It seems to have with chrome. how I can fix it? Thank you. |
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| 11:11.11 | markybob | winsen1: looks like you're missing chrome key. wget -q -O - https://dl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 11:12.40 | winsen1 | markybob:thanks for answering, I tried to fix it with this: 'apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.debian.com --recv-keys 1397BC53640DB551' but it doesn't work. http://paste.debian.net/683345/ |
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| 11:15.38 | winsen1 | markybob: what is the link you sent to me? It doesn't work |
| 11:16.11 | markybob | winsen1: it's not a link. you copy and paste it in a terminal |
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| 11:18.57 | markybob | winsen1: i don't even know how you came up with keyserver.debian.com |
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| 11:19.54 | TomTomTosch | winsen1: you will not find the key for google software on the debian keyserver. what markybob gave you is the command that downloads the key from the google server using wget and adds it to the keys known to apt. |
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| 11:20.55 | winsen1 | markybob: ok, I did but I am still having the same error |
| 11:21.10 | markybob | pastebin everything then |
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| 11:21.36 | winsen1 | TomTomTosch: ok thanks for the explanation |
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| 11:23.55 | Donitzo | Does the standard debian installer support software raid? |
| 11:24.03 | markybob | yes |
| 11:24.09 | Donitzo | good |
| 11:24.50 | winsen1 | http://paste.debian.net/683347/ |
| 11:25.20 | markybob | winsen1: you didn't copy/paste what i said |
| 11:25.30 | Iridos | you removed the "wget " |
| 11:25.31 | markybob | winsen1: not a link. start with wget |
| 11:25.43 | hassoon | 'evenng |
| 11:25.46 | markybob | winsen1: do it exact |
| 11:25.47 | hassoon | 'evening |
| 11:27.49 | winsen1 | markybob: oops sorry, I didn't make attention. now it seems to be ok. no warnings |
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| 11:28.23 | winsen1 | markybob: thanks |
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| 11:33.26 | gluon | back to debian on the desktop too |
| 11:33.29 | gluon | debian-testing + dwm = perfect desktop for me |
| 11:33.44 | winsen1 | have a good day all, thanks again markybob. bbl |
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| 11:41.19 | hammo | hello all, trying to mount nfs share between 2 debian machines. on server, first i mount /dev/sde to /net/sde. then when I export with /net/sde 192.168.##.##/255.255.255.0(fsid=0,rw,sync,no_subtree_check) I get another line appears in fstab of /net/sde /export/sde bind bind 0. what creates this line? and when mounting from client do i use /net/sde or /exports/sde?? |
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| 11:43.03 | afernandez_ | hammo: https://www.howtoforge.com/install_nfs_server_and_client_on_debian_wheezy |
| 11:45.20 | hammo | is there any significant diff between wheezy and jessie? |
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| 11:46.23 | KhazAkar | Systemd is the most significant diff |
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| 11:47.14 | afernandez_ | hammo: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=124910 |
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| 11:48.14 | hammo | nice KhazAkar , thanks for links already followed that link but i'll try it again. |
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| 12:05.18 | Iridos | hammo, nothing edits fstab but you ... and that link isn't very verbose... IIRC rpcinfo -p <server> to see the exported services in general (that should show nfs) and showmount -e <server> shows what the server exports |
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| 12:07.10 | iodfijj | when I do "chown -R dhcpd:dhcpd /var/lib/dhcp" I get the error message invalid user: "dhcpd:dhcpd" |
| 12:09.15 | afernandez_ | iodfijj: grep -i dhcpd /etc/passwd |
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| 12:10.53 | iodfijj | afernandez: I have typed in your command in terminal but I don't see any infos |
| 12:11.29 | afernandez_ | well no results mean that nuser does not exist |
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| 12:11.51 | afernandez_ | paste what you did here: |
| 12:12.03 | afernandez_ | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 12:12.14 | afernandez_ | then give us the link |
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| 12:14.06 | Devastator | jmcnaught sorry, I had to leave yesterday before I could thank you! |
| 12:14.37 | FManTropyx | hi |
| 12:15.20 | FManTropyx | I have the understanding that Ubuntu is the pinnacle of Linux evolution and Debian is kinda its grandfather? |
| 12:15.33 | iodfijj | https://paste.debian.net/683358/ |
| 12:16.11 | FManTropyx | I am trying to find the right distro for me, but I lack knowledge |
| 12:16.32 | afernandez_ | iodfijj: User dhcpd do not exist in your system |
| 12:16.38 | Johann | FManTropyx: #debian is a poor place to ask for the right distro, as most people here are biased |
| 12:17.00 | iodfijj | how can I add this user, I already added the group dhcpd |
| 12:17.03 | FManTropyx | right, like asking on #ubuntu, if I should use Debian |
| 12:17.35 | FManTropyx | perhaps I can find a resource on the Internet that can help me decide, a comparison of some kind |
| 12:18.09 | iodfijj | When I will add user dhcpd I get the answer "The group dhcpd already exists". Should I remove the group dhcpd? |
| 12:18.10 | Devastator | jmcnaught another question, how do I create a virtual machine using the LVs I created? I have "Local install media", "Network install", "Network boot" and "Import existing disk image" |
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| 12:19.15 | bazhang | distrowatch.com FManTropyx and ##linux |
| 12:19.29 | Iridos | iodfijj, what is it you're trying to do |
| 12:19.34 | p0g0_ | bazhang: wow, I was about to offer the same URL... |
| 12:19.43 | bazhang | nice |
| 12:20.28 | FManTropyx | thank you, bazhang |
| 12:20.28 | Donitzo | swap raid partition is in use during debian installation |
| 12:20.35 | Donitzo | you got to be ******* kidding me |
| 12:20.45 | iodfijj | okay I have removed group dhcpd and now it works |
| 12:21.39 | bla1 | hi folks, i just tried to do a netinstall of debian wheezy from an usb-stick, but it told me there was there was the wrong cd inserted. why is this? i used dd to write the netinst image on the usb stick, shouldn't i get the remaining packages from the internet? |
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| 12:22.49 | bla1 | the installer started from the usb stick, but after keyboard configuration i was asked for the right cd |
| 12:22.53 | Iridos | FManTropyx, debian has put a lot of effort in providing a core repository that only consists of free&open source software... if that's important to you, debian is a good choice. debian stable has a set of packages/versions that doesn't change the 2-3 years until a new version of debian comes out. that means you have to take care of some problems at the beginning, but because nothing changes, no new problems appear and you can work on the system |
| 12:22.53 | Iridos | without having to fear new bugs all the time. that comes at the price of older software in debian stable. |
| 12:23.55 | bla1 | * i meant debian jessie. not wheezy. |
| 12:24.05 | Iridos | ah... wondered about that |
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| 12:25.15 | Iridos | bla1, the installer installs the base system from cd, then you reboot into that base system and the remaining packages are installed from within the fresh base system (and usually these come from the internet) |
| 12:25.58 | bla1 | but shouldn't be a usb stick instead of a cd just fine? |
| 12:26.07 | Iridos | and I guess you already read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 for the usb install? |
| 12:27.26 | bla1 | oh no but i will read it now. :D sorry. i always used dd to make usb sticks for other distributions, so i thought this would work here too |
| 12:27.47 | Iridos | it should |
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| 12:29.29 | Iridos | hm. untypically, I think I even did an install with jessie... can't remember much of it, though... probably because there were just no problems whatsoever... install was over in a couple of hours... next day I was flying to the US |
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| 12:29.56 | Iridos | and it must have been a usb install because the laptop had no CD drive |
| 12:30.30 | bla1 | i was confused because why would it require another cd if the installer started from the usb stick |
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| 12:31.06 | lesta | bla1 there is a alternative kernel for the usb that point to the usb not to the cd |
| 12:31.34 | bla1 | oh i did not know that |
| 12:31.58 | lesta | search for usb install |
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| 12:32.41 | bla1 | yeah im just reading about it |
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| 12:34.07 | themill | bla1: how did you copy the image to the usb stick? |
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| 12:35.28 | bla1 | i used dd. if=/dev/sdb of=/...debiannetinstwhatsoever.iso |
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| 12:35.51 | lesta | bla1: wheezy? |
| 12:35.57 | bla1 | no jessie |
| 12:36.28 | bla1 | my mistake in my first message. |
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| 12:36.59 | themill | I assume you had if and of the other way around |
| 12:38.04 | bla1 | oh yes. again, my mistake |
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| 12:43.37 | bla1 | i am going to give it another try with another usb stick. might be back in a few minutes |
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| 12:44.00 | dagerik | how can I install the package aspell-no when im on stretch? |
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| 12:48.10 | hypermist | can anyone throw me a guide to install libboost on debian 8 version 1.54 of libboost please |
| 12:48.24 | Devastator | how can I check if a patch was cherry-picked in a kernel backport? |
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| 13:00.14 | p0rt | nkuttler: Yeah, I've installed it from ext. repo |
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| 13:00.49 | nuffigel | hi guys, I'm trying to install java with a minimum of X. In fact, I will never start an instance of X, only use X-forwarding. However, when I try to aptitude install default-jre things like "libdrm-nouveau2" are getting pulled in. Is there some way to avoid that? |
| 13:00.58 | hypermist | anyone lol ? |
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| 13:07.10 | _jd | Hi All, is there a way of installing glibc 2.19 on Debian 7? |
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| 13:11.33 | jelly | _jd: not really, set up a debian 8 system instead |
| 13:11.57 | _jd | jelly: thank you |
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| 13:12.20 | nuffigel | never mind, different question: when I aptitude install default-jre, some packages, like libgnome2-bin get pulled without the {a} attribute. Indeed apt-mark shows them as "manual" after the installation, so they wont be removed even after I uninstall java. I assume some kind of "profile" is to blame for that? How can I avoid such behavior? |
| 13:12.26 | frenchie_afk | hypermist: apt-get install package=version_desired .. ? nope ? |
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| 13:12.54 | hypermist | i'll try |
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| 13:13.19 | jelly | hypermist: not really, there's 1.55 |
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| 13:13.41 | jelly | hypermist: what do you need exactly 1.54 for? |
| 13:13.43 | hypermist | jelly, well 1.55 doesnt work for this so i need 1.54 |
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| 13:18.29 | hypermist | Thats why i need it jelly .. |
| 13:18.42 | themill | hypermist: can you elaborate on "doesn't work" for us? |
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| 13:23.53 | hammo | hello all, i have successfully mount my nfs share using following line in fstab 192.168.##.##:/net/sdc /home/user/NFS/mediamovies nfs user,dev,_netdev,suid,exec,bg 0 0..... Ican access it fine permissions all good. Now whats the best method to set the same share up for another user on same PC? |
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| 13:24.38 | hypermist | doesnt compile themill |
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| 13:24.52 | hypermist | because newer version arent built for handling it |
| 13:24.55 | bezaban | hammo: mount it outside the home directory with group permissions, then symlink in home directories if you want |
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| 13:24.58 | hex0rcist | hello |
| 13:25.25 | bezaban | iirc NFS doesn't like multiple concurrent access to shares |
| 13:25.33 | bezaban | or was it opposite lol |
| 13:26.01 | themill | hypermist: it might be easier to fix this thing to handle a newer boost than it is to fiddle around with the packages |
| 13:26.44 | Ticho | bezaban: since it is common to mount one nfs share to dozens of systems, and access it with several users on each of these systems, I'd say you're wrong |
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| 13:27.47 | bezaban | Ticho: yeah, I don't have any usecases to relate too, you're probably right |
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| 13:27.55 | hammo | good idea bezaban, I have 2 main groups kids and parents. so I make folder owned by parents say /shared/mediamovies then share to that? should work the same? |
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| 13:30.06 | bezaban | hammo: might not be the best to answer, sounds like you might have to use setfacl for multiple groups. Or possibly in this case, if what ticho says is true it might be better off mounting with different permissions |
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| 13:31.02 | bezaban | sorry for being vague, someone else should step in :) |
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| 13:31.31 | sandieg | heLLo =]]] |
| 13:31.32 | hammo | hmmmm. so can i add multiple lines to fstab for each user? mounting share into each users home directory? |
| 13:32.11 | hammo | vague is better then me stumbling around in the dark lol |
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| 13:32.22 | bezaban | hehe |
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| 13:33.03 | ewew | Hi. Is there anything different between normal install and debootstrap install of debian ? I can not force a devpts 600 mode. |
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| 13:34.30 | hammo | just to outline I have 7 kids + wife all logging in on 4 different pc's plus tabs, and 2 media centers that need access to. If you know of a easier solution that will allowing sharing and stop my 5 year old deleting all our photo's. |
| 13:35.36 | ewew | hammo Did you try separate account ? |
| 13:35.44 | ewew | *accounts |
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| 13:35.57 | hammo | yeah I have accounts setup for all of em and 2 groups |
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| 13:36.41 | sandieg | how is it going |
| 13:36.52 | sandieg | :P |
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| 13:38.08 | ewew | hammo Are those account with UID > 0 ? |
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| 13:38.29 | hammo | so create share outside home dir then sym link to each home directory for each user?? |
| 13:38.37 | hammo | 1000 1001 ++++ |
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| 13:39.58 | hammo | gid is 1000 and 1001 for parents kids |
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| 13:40.41 | Ticho | bezaban: you don't mount nfs with permissions, files on a nfs share hold their own permissions and ownership, just like on e.g. ext4 |
| 13:41.16 | ewew | hammo do you know how to use acl ? |
| 13:41.16 | Ticho | so any sort of access restriction have to be done on file level |
| 13:41.49 | hammo | sort of, know a bit about cisco acls' |
| 13:42.03 | hypermist | problem is i dont know how to code to fix it themill so i need the 1.54 boost |
| 13:42.11 | bezaban | ticho: right, it's coming back to me, the uid mappings + ip authorisation were reasons I discarded it as an option |
| 13:42.14 | Ticho | why not just create another group "all", with all users? |
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| 13:42.36 | Ticho | then you can set file/directory ownership to "parents", "kids" or "all" |
| 13:42.47 | joaquin_ | hi, when i run this command matches both regex regardless the flag -v zgrep -v -E -h "Site:\s[^,]+,Server:\s[^,]+," *.gz | zgrep -E -h ",The\smanagement\sserver|,The\sclient" *.gz |
| 13:42.56 | hammo | I did try to mount share ext to home dir first but I kept running into issues where shre was owned by root and I didnt have any permissions to read write |
| 13:43.06 | Ticho | even better, just "kids" and "all", since you probably want parents' access be a superset of kids' access :) |
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| 13:43.29 | Ticho | hammo: just mount it and change the ownership to what you want |
| 13:43.42 | Iridos | hypermist, what is it you're trying to compile |
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| 13:44.23 | hammo | ahhh i'll have a go at that thanks for help :) |
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| 13:44.39 | hypermist | https://github.com/transferdev/Transfercoin Iridos |
| 13:45.52 | frenchie | apt-get install version didn't work hypermist ? |
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| 13:47.54 | winsen | Hi all |
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| 13:48.18 | winsen | makybob: are you still there? |
| 13:48.35 | Iridos | frenchie, that's not how apt-get works |
| 13:49.05 | Iridos | frenchie, that's not how the repos work, to be more precise |
| 13:49.58 | frenchie | ? .. Then you can take the .deb do a dpkg -i .. and see if the dependencies are resolved |
| 13:50.21 | themill | frenchie: which .deb? And what are the implications of doing so? |
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| 13:50.55 | frenchie | that a libdev .. so the implications would not be major i guess themill |
| 13:50.55 | winsen | I want to add the contrib and non-free components 'contrib non-free' how can I do it? can I just add this after main on any line at source list? |
| 13:52.08 | frenchie | themill: hypermyst was inquiring about libboost |
| 13:52.16 | themill | frenchie: that's sufficiently vague as to not be useful advice |
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| 13:53.06 | frenchie | themill: hypermyst know what I'm talking about, so .. |
| 13:53.42 | themill | frenchie: umm, I bet they don't. |
| 13:54.09 | hypermist | frenchie, no |
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| 13:54.39 | frenchie | ok he just has to ask, no problem |
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| 13:55.01 | themill | boost is about 90 packages; "install the .deb" (and hope)" isn't helpful |
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| 13:56.49 | frenchie | give me a break themill and be constructive |
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| 13:57.10 | themill | I am giving you the opportunity to be more precise |
| 13:57.13 | frenchie | hypermist: go there : http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/libboost-dev/ , pick the desired version |
| 13:57.28 | frenchie | yeah yeah , I heard you the first time themill |
| 13:57.48 | themill | and libboost-dev isn't the package that is needed |
| 13:57.51 | frenchie | once you get your deb file, do a "dpkg -i 'deb_file' |
| 13:57.58 | winsen | themill: any clue? |
| 13:58.24 | frenchie | you don't want the developpement libraries files hypermist ? |
| 13:58.35 | themill | winsen: you'd add that to all the lines for the debian repos |
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| 13:59.22 | winsen | themill: ok, I thought, I just need to do it for one line. thanks for the clarification. |
| 13:59.44 | themill | winsen: (and run apt-get update after editing your sources.list) |
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| 14:00.35 | winsen | themill: ok, thanks |
| 14:00.48 | frenchie | So what does hypermyst want themill ? |
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| 14:01.31 | themill | frenchie: we don't know yet; possibly quite a lot of different packages |
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| 14:02.17 | frenchie | ok .. could you copy paste his orginal question .. I'm on a web client, don't have much history |
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| 14:04.47 | hypermist | frenchie, i did try that |
| 14:04.55 | hypermist | E: Version '1.54' for 'libboost-dev' was not found |
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| 14:05.33 | frenchie | tell me again what you were looking to do hypermist |
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| 14:07.01 | frenchie | themill is right .. once a new version is on a repo , the old one is not available on it, you have to download it from the snapshot link I gave you, and install it with a dpkg -i command |
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| 14:07.23 | debby | I have Debian Jessie. When system goes to automatic suspend, I can't get back to login screen by pressing space bar. What can be done to fix the problem? |
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| 14:13.51 | anexit_ | Anyone have a controller card not write data to hard drives? |
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| 14:17.18 | Iridos | hypermist, builds ok here on jessie |
| 14:18.00 | jelly | hypermist: stupid question, did you install all the -dev packages for boost? |
| 14:18.22 | jelly | there's a handy libboost-all-dev metapackage |
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| 14:19.07 | Iridos | not sure that that's a stupid question, jelly |
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| 14:21.54 | GivenToCode | Hi all I just upgraded to debian 8.3 using gnome, for certain applications (gedit) when I open a file it loads the file but doesnt bring gedit to the foreground... |
| 14:22.14 | GivenToCode | it does give me a little notification that it is ready... |
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| 14:22.33 | r4co0n | Hi, i just installed jessie with encrypted lvm container on a nvme ssd-drive. With the latest backported kernel 4.4.0 (iinm), I don't get asked for my disk passphrase. I noticed that the new kernel wants to load intel-microcode, which fails. I want to boot to the backported kernel since my vga apparently needs the backported version of the proprietary nvidia driver, according to nvidia-detect. |
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| 14:23.44 | sandieg | hi |
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| 14:24.32 | hypermist | Iridos, lol and jelly i have to... |
| 14:24.44 | Iridos | "lol"? |
| 14:24.46 | r4co0n | I have no idea how to troubleshoot this, I might just try upgrading the whole system to testing. Do you have less radical ideas? |
| 14:24.46 | hypermist | Otherwise NOTHING works :_; |
| 14:25.22 | hypermist | doesnt compdile fine for me with libboost 1.58 |
| 14:25.29 | hypermist | THAT stupid god damnit debian 8 installs |
| 14:25.29 | Iridos | whatever your problem is, it's not the version of boost in jessie |
| 14:25.29 | hypermist | .-. |
| 14:25.40 | hypermist | Its the code that doestn work for 1.58 |
| 14:25.41 | Iridos | err, 1.58? |
| 14:25.49 | themill | libboost1.58 is not in jessie |
| 14:25.50 | hypermist | i do apt-get install libboost-all-dev |
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| 14:25.54 | hypermist | ANd ta da it installed |
| 14:26.03 | hypermist | Version: 1.58.0.1 |
| 14:26.09 | Iridos | hypermist, the version in jessie is 1.55.0.2 |
| 14:26.11 | hypermist | Done the check lastnight |
| 14:26.19 | hypermist | So how would i get libboost 1.58 |
| 14:26.22 | hypermist | If i didn't install it myself ? |
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| 14:26.33 | sandieg | guys, any 'fancy' website to look for wallpapers ?! =]] |
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| 14:26.50 | Iridos | hypermist, you ask US about your system? |
| 14:27.11 | Iridos | are you going to ask us your shoe size next? |
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| 14:27.42 | RoyK | hypermist: have you added other repos? |
| 14:27.47 | frenchie | You may be using sid hypermist no ? |
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| 14:28.10 | frenchie | keep cool guys.. that's just it stuff :) |
| 14:28.15 | greycat | isn't there some "apt policy" type command that'll tell him why his system is preferring a non-jessie version of libboost? |
| 14:28.16 | Iridos | GivenToCode, the upgrade shouldn't have changed the behavior... |
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| 14:29.21 | hypermist | RoyK, nope never installed it myself |
| 14:29.30 | hypermist | Iridos, its not my system its crownclouds.net |
| 14:29.33 | hypermist | crowncloud.net |
| 14:29.40 | hypermist | all i did was use their openvz image |
| 14:29.56 | RoyK | what does lsb_release -a have to say? |
| 14:30.01 | Iridos | GivenToCode, maybe some settings became corrupted... have you tried if that happens with a freshly made user account? |
| 14:30.50 | greycat | Ah, your VPS provider probably did some weird shit. |
| 14:30.58 | hypermist | Distributor ID: Debian |
| 14:30.58 | hypermist | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.2 (jessie) |
| 14:30.59 | hypermist | Release: 8.2 |
| 14:30.59 | hypermist | Codename: jessie |
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| 14:31.06 | hypermist | HAH whoops |
| 14:31.08 | greycat | Mine installed sendmail instead of exim, but I just left it in place because I don't really care about email much on that box. |
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| 14:31.39 | sandieg | any developer available for issue related to warsow ? |
| 14:31.44 | sandieg | game |
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| 14:32.43 | frenchie | what does your /etc/apt/source.list says ( net paste it ) ? |
| 14:32.51 | Iridos | hypermist, put the content of "apt-cache policy" and "grep . /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*" up at http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 14:33.03 | frenchie | sources.list * my bad |
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| 14:38.06 | hypermist | give me about 1-2hrs ircnode0 |
| 14:38.07 | hypermist | haha |
| 14:38.09 | hypermist | busy sorry ;\ |
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| 14:40.28 | TheBrayn | hi |
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| 14:46.13 | WangDang | I don't know exactly when this behaviour changed, but now when I plug in a usb storage device, it doesn't get mounted automatically. It shows up in the file manager of xfce, but isn't actually mounted until I click on it. It used to get mounted as soon as I plugged it in. Can anyone tell me how to make my system completely mount a device when plugged in? |
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| 14:52.31 | sandieg | error: /me dances around the room *naked* |
| 14:52.36 | sandieg | dances around the room *naked* |
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| 14:53.04 | Iridos | WangDang, the desktop environment usually does that |
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| 15:00.34 | WangDang | Iridos: and it used to. Or at least something used to mount it automatically. It's frustrating having to open the fm to get something completely mounted. And I can't mount it from the command line as a normal user. I have to open the file manager and click on the device. You don't know how to change this behaviour do you? |
| 15:01.10 | greycat | blah blah blah xfce blah blah blah no longer automounting |
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| 15:01.17 | colo-work | how do I configure an ipaddr alias for a bridge device in interfaces(5)? the very same way like I'd do for a plain ethernet NIC? |
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| 15:01.22 | greycat | Ask an xfce channel if you don't find any knowledgeable xfce users here. |
| 15:02.06 | hypermist | http://paste.debian.net/683392/ Iridos my sources.list |
| 15:02.51 | greycat | You've got unstable in there. |
| 15:02.52 | hypermist | http://paste.debian.net/683393/ apt-cache policy Iridos |
| 15:03.35 | greycat | As soon as you read line 4 of the first URL, you see the problem. |
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| 15:03.49 | hypermist | i'll delete it then greycat :D |
| 15:04.02 | greycat | That won't unbreak the system. |
| 15:04.15 | greycat | In fact it will probably make matters worse, since you already HAVE unstable packages installed. |
| 15:04.18 | hypermist | maybe its time for that os reinstall xD |
| 15:04.38 | hypermist | Just means i have to lamely compile ZNC and all over again >-. |
| 15:07.13 | themill | (znc is in jessie-backports) |
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| 15:09.18 | hypermist | but he recent version none of this old poop version |
| 15:09.21 | jelly | ,v znc |
| 15:09.22 | judd | Package: znc on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.092-3; wheezy: 0.206-2; jessie: 1.4-2; jessie-backports: 1.6.2-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.6.3-2; sid: 1.6.3-2 |
| 15:09.30 | jelly | hypermist: 1.6.2 isn't THAT old |
| 15:10.01 | hypermist | lol i have 1.6.3 so yea i was wondering |
| 15:10.04 | hypermist | Cause the last time i used znc |
| 15:10.08 | hypermist | God damn it was like 1.0.7 |
| 15:10.09 | hypermist | xD |
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| 15:43.01 | Iridos | yeah... totally understandable you wouldn't want such an old poop version in which znc-buildmod doesn't work properly in cgywin |
| 15:44.03 | Iridos | or maybe it's the fancy new quit message you cannot live without! |
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| 15:46.30 | Iridos | don't forget to also install a new version of xscreensaver, in which iphone support was greatly improved! |
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| 15:53.07 | fiveflowerzz | Hi! I'm using a computer with Debian (by a hosting company) as a server for ~ 10 websites / workers / process |
| 15:53.18 | fiveflowerzz | using Apache and nodejs and Python etc. |
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| 15:53.47 | Guy- | hi |
| 15:53.48 | fiveflowerzz | I'd like to monitor what is the "usage" of my computer |
| 15:53.55 | fiveflowerzz | Is it high? low? what are bottlenecks? etc. |
| 15:54.10 | fiveflowerzz | Are some of websites eating all the bandwidth or CPU? etc. |
| 15:54.19 | fiveflowerzz | Is there a general tool for that, not too difficult to use? |
| 15:54.40 | Guy- | fiveflowerzz: you could try 'top', 'iostat', 'vmstat' and 'dstat' for starters |
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| 15:55.19 | Iridos | there are tools for constant monitoring, I don't think they're overly easy to use |
| 15:55.36 | prussian | fiveflowerzz: well I mean, you could set up some monitoring daemon like sensu, nagios, etc. |
| 15:55.40 | Iridos | just checking with top or htop from time to time would be simplest |
| 15:55.44 | prussian | but if you just want to see then and now |
| 15:56.10 | greycat | Things like top/vmstat give you overall system use (memory, CPU) but won't break it down by web domain. You'd need apache specific stuff for that. |
| 15:56.29 | Iridos | prussian, nagios isn't really easy and at least standard nagios is "binary"... it warns you that a threshold has been passed (or doesn't warn you if it hasn't) |
| 15:56.52 | prussian | at work I do perfdata with pnp4nagios for graphs |
| 15:56.55 | Iridos | fiveflowerzz, look at the apache logs for your website |
| 15:56.57 | prussian | it seems to be fine |
| 15:57.00 | greycat | The real question is whether you're looking at whether your existing system is sufficient for your demand (do you need more hardware), or whether you're looking at individual domains to see if any of them are being naughty. |
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| 15:58.05 | prussian | I know sensu is popular with other teams for more "live graphing" |
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| 15:58.33 | Iridos | is that even in debian? |
| 15:58.47 | greycat | Not everything has to be "in debian" |
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| 15:59.14 | Iridos | if there's no package, that doesn't make it anymore "simple" |
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| 16:00.25 | greycat | If the primary focus is analysis of the individual domains, then (s)he needs to head over to an apache httpd channel, most likely. |
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| 16:00.41 | Iridos | with a package, at least installation only takes 5 seconds... and if you figure out it's too complicated to configure or just not what you wanted, that's at least minus the compiletime |
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| 16:00.49 | greycat | (Though last I heard, the httpd channel hates Debian because of all the changes Debian does to Apache.) |
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| 16:01.31 | prussian | Iridos: anyhow, nagios isn't "binary." most plugins have a perfdata output that nagios to send off to tools for graphing purposes |
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| 16:02.07 | Iridos | fiveflowerzz, there's stuff like "visitors" or "analog" to analyze logfiles and get an idea of usage out of them |
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| 16:02.36 | greycat | Yeah, definitely start with log file analysis rather than live stuff. |
| 16:02.45 | greycat | If the focus is domains. |
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| 16:03.08 | Iridos | prussian, that's not part of the nagios core... IMO, that makes even selecting the packages not so "easy" anymore |
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| 16:04.24 | prussian | well ok. the graphing isn't but it still will write out perfdata wherever you tell it. |
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| 16:06.06 | Iridos | ganglia is pretty good at making graphs with rrdtool... but it's eating so many resources itself, it may well become the bottleneck on its own |
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| 16:07.14 | prussian | ever heard of graphite? |
| 16:07.28 | prussian | I guess it's some new hip graphing server |
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| 16:09.53 | prussian | it's like rrd apparently but also has a webapp and all |
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| 16:13.36 | kangelane | What would give me optimal network speed for my server ? Speedtest seems to give very wierd results, like if I use web interface, my upload is 6 times more faster than with speedtest-cli |
| 16:14.10 | kangelane | basically, I want reliable network speet test for my virtual machines using debian |
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| 16:18.11 | teraflops | kangelane: iperf |
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| 16:29.49 | Mystique_ | hey all.. sorry for the question.. |
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| 16:30.12 | Mystique_ | apache 2.4 .. a2enmod cgi and systemctl restart apache2.. |
| 16:30.23 | Mystique_ | cgi's work on localhost only.. |
| 16:30.50 | Mystique_ | cgi's are denied from external addresses.. where/how to change that.. |
| 16:30.57 | kangelane | teraflops, how will I do speedtest with iperf ? Are there some remote servers or something ? |
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| 16:31.16 | prussian | Mystique_: are you using a virtualhost? |
| 16:31.19 | Mystique_ | kangelane: iperf needs a server and a client.. |
| 16:31.24 | Mystique_ | prussian: default host.. |
| 16:31.25 | prussian | did you make sure to bind to 0.0.0.0 or all? |
| 16:31.28 | prussian | oh ok |
| 16:31.39 | Mystique_ | ports.conf is default.. |
| 16:31.48 | Mystique_ | no name'd vhosts.. |
| 16:31.59 | Mystique_ | apt-get install lightsquid ;) |
| 16:32.02 | Mystique_ | trying to get it working.. |
| 16:32.05 | prussian | so this only hinders cgis? |
| 16:32.07 | kangelane | Yes, But I need a public iperf server then, measuring the speed of accessing web pages is my goal |
| 16:32.22 | Mystique_ | prussian: as far as I can tell |
| 16:32.25 | kangelane | not speed of my own subnet links or whatever |
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| 16:32.39 | Mystique_ | web page speed? apache bench.. |
| 16:32.47 | Mystique_ | interface speed.. iperf |
| 16:33.07 | prussian | hmm |
| 16:33.34 | terrible | can i install compiz on debian jessie xfce?? |
| 16:33.36 | kangelane | well I can set up iperf server on one node and client on other node, I get 1 GbE. Now I want to test, how much my ISP gives me, is it in fact 1GbE , speedtest shows like 700Mbps ... |
| 16:34.06 | teraflops | kangelane: it's a peer to peer thingy yeah |
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| 16:35.46 | teraflops | kangelane: some isp do throttle connection speed. That's why speed test sites cannot be trustable. |
| 16:36.28 | kangelane | Yes, I want to measure my connection speed, so is there a reliable tool to achieve that ? |
| 16:36.58 | Mystique_ | kangelane: your connection to one host? :) yes. iperf. |
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| 16:37.48 | sandieg | hi |
| 16:38.10 | sandieg | what gives "segmetation fault" on debian , trying to install wine for the first time , :S |
| 16:38.18 | greycat | Bugs. |
| 16:38.32 | sandieg | should i do what ? |
| 16:38.44 | sandieg | windows gives me headhackes |
| 16:38.53 | sandieg | disc and memory allways complaining |
| 16:39.01 | Mystique_ | so lightsquid.conf is fsck'd.. |
| 16:39.10 | Mystique_ | a2disconf lightsquid |
| 16:39.21 | Mystique_ | then I can at least get it to load and get CGI.pm errors.. #progress.. |
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| 16:39.39 | sandieg | somethign might be wrong |
| 16:39.40 | sandieg | :DD |
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| 16:43.11 | kangelane | Mystique, you could have just said that there exists public iperf servers ... not only use iperf, HOW? I know now. |
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| 16:44.46 | teraflops | kangelane: we run out if spoons, https://iperf.fr/ |
| 16:44.53 | matt1 | Hello, I am attempting to upgrade my Debian Jessie install to Debian stretch. I've updated my sources.list and when I run apt dist-upgrade i get the following error: |
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| 16:44.56 | matt1 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:44.58 | matt1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:45.43 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 16:45.43 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:46.01 | matt1 | Thanks |
| 16:46.56 | prussian | Mystique_: well 500 errors are better than none :P |
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| 16:48.46 | prussian | hmm. I don't even remember the last time I used CGI in apache |
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| 16:49.03 | prussian | other than Nagios, but I let the package manager install all that |
| 16:49.26 | teraflops | prussian: heh I don't even remember the last time I used apache :P |
| 16:49.34 | prussian | ya well. I know |
| 16:49.54 | prussian | but It has some useful modules that I use. like mod_auth_ldap and whatnot |
| 16:50.01 | prussian | because lazy |
| 16:50.19 | prussian | but I usually just proxypass now over CGI |
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| 17:06.07 | PhantomPhreak53 | when I type sudo service mysql restart. Where is the file that starts the service? I need to change a start up option. |
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| 17:07.19 | prussian | if it's upstart, most likely... /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 17:07.49 | prussian | if you're using systemd, service might just be a compatibility shim for a mysqld.service file |
| 17:07.54 | HicksD | I'm trying to delete an old chroot dir, /var/chroots/sid that still has some folders in it like dev, tmp, home etc (all umounted now) and it gives a "device or resource busy" error. lsof shows nothing accessing the dirs and I tried searching /proc/*/mountinfo for anything to do with the sid jail and killing it, anything else I've missed that might have it open ? (rebooting doesn't sort it either, just makes all the mounts reoccur for proc etc) |
| 17:08.32 | prussian | weird. |
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| 17:10.44 | prussian | have you tried force unmounting HicksD ? |
| 17:10.58 | HicksD | I don't see anything mounted via mount to force |
| 17:11.16 | HicksD | at least nothing mentioning the jail |
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| 17:12.02 | HicksD | https://paste.debian.net/683425/ anything stand out? |
| 17:12.31 | fiveflowerzz | re all |
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| 17:12.36 | fiveflowerzz | sorry i got disconnected before |
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| 17:12.44 | fiveflowerzz | so you would test with "top" first? |
| 17:12.49 | glen | hi. can someone help me to define what components exists in package version? https://github.com/chef/ohai/pull/820#issuecomment-218443156 |
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| 17:13.20 | prussian | HicksD: weird. I don't see anything. are you sure you don't have some user in that chroot right now? |
| 17:13.29 | prussian | that's the only thing I can think of |
| 17:13.40 | fiveflowerzz | first thing : everything is moving when I run "top" |
| 17:13.45 | fiveflowerzz | Impossible to see anything... |
| 17:13.54 | fiveflowerzz | Isn't there a more user-friendly tool than "top"? |
| 17:13.55 | prussian | fiveflowerzz: what are you looking for? |
| 17:13.58 | prussian | htop |
| 17:14.02 | HicksD | Not that I can see. I'll try rebooting to single user mode just in case any sessions get restored in the background |
| 17:14.53 | dschense | hi all. is there a way to recreate a deleted /var/log path ? i restored a proxmox CT and missed the /var/log directory. is there a way for all services to recreate their files an directorys ? |
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| 17:15.30 | fiveflowerzz | prussian : as I said before (but then my neighboor rang at my door lol...), I want to monitor how my ~ 10 websites are running |
| 17:15.43 | fiveflowerzz | and to monitor if it's going to break soon or not :) |
| 17:15.50 | prussian | as in |
| 17:15.51 | prussian | ok |
| 17:16.00 | prussian | well fiveflowerzz there are many ways to do that |
| 17:16.20 | prussian | the hardest part is recognizing what constitutes a failure. |
| 17:16.26 | fiveflowerzz | some websites use apache, some use python process (daemon), some nodejs |
| 17:16.30 | prussian | fun |
| 17:16.31 | dschense | maybe htop ? |
| 17:16.32 | prussian | so |
| 17:16.48 | fiveflowerzz | i just tried htop, but every 2 seconds, the lines swap order ... |
| 17:16.51 | prussian | fiveflowerzz: what are you thinking would constitute a failure for any of these webapps? |
| 17:17.02 | prussian | I can't really help you unless you can define that |
| 17:17.12 | fiveflowerzz | prussian: ok, that sounds right... let me think about it |
| 17:17.15 | mutante | fiveflowerzz: i'd check for disk space running out (95% full or something). it's quite common reason to break websites when there are huge logs filling up disk |
| 17:17.45 | fiveflowerzz | it would be a "failure" if sqlite is too much demanded (thus I would need to move for mysql etc.) |
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| 17:17.55 | JyZyXEL | https://mozilla.debian.net/ <- wrong cert?? |
| 17:17.58 | prussian | I use to do monitoring for my old department's webapps at my work. |
| 17:18.07 | prussian | so I have some knowledge here |
| 17:18.11 | prussian | though it's old as hell |
| 17:18.15 | fiveflowerzz | if cpu is too much demanded for one specific website |
| 17:18.21 | prussian | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehh |
| 17:18.26 | mutante | JyZyXEL: yea, confirmed |
| 17:18.28 | prussian | I would be careful with CPU util warnings |
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| 17:18.46 | prussian | because most of the time they are bogus and create a lot of unneeded noise |
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| 17:18.47 | fiveflowerzz | first thing: how to have htop not changing lines order all the time ? :) |
| 17:18.50 | prussian | it's good to graph I suppose |
| 17:18.54 | JyZyXEL | where is the debian-mozilla changelog/release notes? |
| 17:19.33 | prussian | if you must monitor things like that, I would monitor load instead |
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| 17:19.47 | prussian | loadavg's apply to I/O as well. |
| 17:20.35 | greycat | It's not going to be easy to figure out how much server-side CPU is used on individual apache web domains. |
| 17:20.54 | greycat | If you're using an *application* that generates all of the content, and if that application logs, then maybe you can get it from there. |
| 17:20.55 | prussian | I don't think it's really relevant either... personally |
| 17:21.19 | greycat | Apache's logs do not include such info as far as I know. |
| 17:21.43 | greycat | (Again, this may be a question you need to ask in an Apache support channel.) |
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| 17:22.45 | prussian | for webapps, I usually just monitor like if certs are valid, disk space, for apps that accept uploads, aren't full and that known slow portions of the webapp are fast enough. |
| 17:23.03 | mutante | and that the cert doesnt expire soon |
| 17:23.13 | mutante | because that's another common one |
| 17:23.14 | prussian | usually trying to go in depth will just lead to useless alerts and tedium.... |
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| 17:23.46 | mutante | full ack to prussian |
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| 17:24.37 | prussian | I mean, I also graph all sorts of stuff too, because people love graphs |
| 17:24.51 | fiveflowerzz | in htop, how to have all identical lines grouped in one ? |
| 17:24.58 | prussian | but I usually don't alert for metrics like CPU and number of active sessions |
| 17:24.58 | fiveflowerzz | I have 20 lines for mysqld... |
| 17:25.12 | prussian | that's just noise |
| 17:25.16 | mutante | we always end up with like 5 different graphing solutions and all have them work "kind of" |
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| 17:25.24 | prussian | lol |
| 17:25.33 | prussian | ever seen graphite? |
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| 17:25.38 | prussian | it seems pretty useful |
| 17:25.58 | mutante | yea, and grafana and diamond collectors and ganglia and nagios4pnp |
| 17:26.01 | prussian | I don't really know. for nagios I just use pnp4nagios which is just a bunch of rrd's |
| 17:26.04 | fiveflowerzz | there is lots of noise in htop then! |
| 17:26.06 | prussian | lol |
| 17:26.12 | prussian | fiveflowerzz: yes there is |
| 17:26.28 | mutante | throw in some munin |
| 17:27.19 | mutante | then somebody says "hey, wouldnt it be a great idea to make nagios alert on the graphite metrics, then we can detect trends, way better monitoring" |
| 17:27.26 | prussian | lol |
| 17:27.28 | mutante | so that sounds good , but in reality it breaks |
| 17:27.38 | mutante | too many moving parts |
| 17:27.39 | prussian | or it creates a shitload of useless noise |
| 17:27.46 | prussian | lol |
| 17:27.49 | mutante | CRITICAL - not enough data points |
| 17:28.06 | prussian | lol omg |
| 17:28.27 | prussian | My least favorite thing was trying to monitor indepth jvm info. |
| 17:28.31 | prussian | with nagios |
| 17:28.36 | prussian | that was just hell |
| 17:28.56 | prussian | useless as well.... |
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| 17:29.34 | prussian | javamelody made it slightly better. then I could just pull the last graph point. |
| 17:29.35 | mutante | :P that sounds hell yea, my least favorite was trying to monitor the number of mails in a mail queue.. you cant find a reasonable value.. there is always a spike when some masss mailing goes out |
| 17:29.43 | prussian | ya |
| 17:29.45 | prussian | I bet lol |
| 17:30.14 | greycat | At least that's a thing you can actually measure. |
| 17:30.20 | greycat | Even if the measurement is useless. |
| 17:30.23 | prussian | true |
| 17:30.49 | prussian | what really irked me was seeing jrobin isn't rrd, even though it claims to be java rrd.... |
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| 17:31.04 | prussian | that made it a bit more annoying to work with javamelody and nagios. |
| 17:31.05 | greycat | "How many CPU cycles did the php libraries inside the apache httpd slave servers all use on this one domain vs. all the other domains" is just ludicrous. |
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| 17:31.18 | prussian | lol |
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| 17:32.49 | prussian | sounds like a nightmare to find out too |
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| 17:34.51 | prussian | It's pretty funny that the "enterprise" tools like APM and SystemEDGE seemed to be totally useless as well |
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| 17:35.08 | greycat | Funny, but unsurprising, yes? |
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| 17:35.20 | prussian | yes, unsurprising |
| 17:35.38 | prussian | it didn't help that the "solutions group" for it owned all the configs as well |
| 17:35.49 | prussian | for every server they deployed it on |
| 17:35.53 | prussian | useless crap |
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| 17:37.52 | prussian | End of day. I just convinced everyone to stop wasting time trying to monitor every facet of the system. |
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| 17:38.25 | prussian | I figure if I can GET or POST some url known to be slow and I get a response back in a timely manner, everything is A OK |
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| 17:40.29 | posix | hey |
| 17:40.29 | posix | :) |
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| 17:41.21 | prussian | hi posix_X |
| 17:41.50 | posix_X | who is this ?:P |
| 17:42.08 | posix_X | greating s prussian |
| 17:42.12 | prussian | no clue |
| 17:42.29 | Huckelbesje | hi all, I am prepping some production systems and have system user with only the purpose of establishing reverse (autossh) tunnels. The only data they need is a key and i'm wondering what place on the system is appropiate for this purpose |
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| 17:42.58 | greycat | Their home directory. |
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| 17:43.27 | Huckelbesje | but their home should not be in /home since they're system users |
| 17:43.38 | greycat | So what? Why can't they be in /home? |
| 17:43.45 | greycat | Why are you making it harder than necessary? |
| 17:43.50 | Huckelbesje | because that's meant for real people |
| 17:44.03 | prussian | well |
| 17:44.09 | Huckelbesje | i figured some place in /usr or /usr/local would be better |
| 17:44.15 | prussian | you don't need $HOME to be under /home Huckelbesje |
| 17:44.16 | greycat | OK, if you have this weird mandate from idiot bosses that says "No non-human accounts in /home" then set up a place for non-human home directories, done. |
| 17:44.30 | greycat | It's still not hard. |
| 17:44.38 | prussian | ^ |
| 17:44.51 | prussian | you will have to store something on disk no matter what. |
| 17:45.02 | Huckelbesje | i don't know, my finger refuse to type when i can't put them in /home |
| 17:45.21 | nkuttler | i just stuff them into /srv where all other non-human users are.. |
| 17:45.28 | Huckelbesje | hm |
| 17:45.31 | aphorise | How are the updates of packages managed for sid or how often do they occure - I see a particular release thats only for certian arch & I was wondering how / when the others would also be included in sid. |
| 17:45.48 | nkuttler | aphorise: whenever the devs upload them |
| 17:45.58 | prussian | sid tracks "stable" upstream as far as I know |
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| 17:46.18 | prussian | as in what the dev considers stable |
| 17:46.18 | aphorise | as in the authors of the packages themselves or when some from debian dev community? |
| 17:46.29 | prussian | what the dev considers stable. |
| 17:49.00 | posix_X | anyone from |
| 17:49.02 | posix_X | pt assistance ? |
| 17:49.05 | greycat | The debian developer. Not the upstream developer. |
| 17:49.25 | posix_X | are you portuguese greycat ?! :) |
| 17:49.28 | greycat | No. |
| 17:49.45 | nkuttler | !pt |
| 17:49.45 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 17:49.56 | nkuttler | that's probably on oftc |
| 17:50.14 | posix_X | ttks l8r |
| 17:50.29 | mutante | so i wonder who can actually fix the SSL cert issue on mozilla.debian.net. should we make a regular debian bug ? |
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| 17:51.08 | nkuttler | mutante: there is a package for the website |
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| 17:51.19 | mutante | nkuttler: gotcha, ok, i'll do it |
| 17:51.25 | prussian | mutante: sounds like they need a wildcard cert. |
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| 17:51.50 | mutante | debian.net redirects to debian.org mozilla.debian.net exists but mozilla.debian.org does not. |
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| 17:52.14 | debug0x1 | I'm trying to do a netinstall on a machine by IMPI. |
| 17:52.19 | mutante | maybe needs to be mozilla.debian.org and *.debian.org cert.. shrug |
| 17:52.29 | debug0x1 | It has no DHCP, I input all the informatino, yet still can't connect to the internet. |
| 17:52.35 | debug0x1 | Anyone have any ideas what i'm messing up? |
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| 17:52.53 | posix_X | guys |
| 17:52.58 | debug0x1 | IP, Gateway, Netmask. |
| 17:53.40 | posix_X | =[[[[ |
| 17:53.40 | posix_X | nobody in debian-pt room |
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| 17:54.14 | zykotick9 | posix_X: did you try here on Freenode, or OFTC? |
| 17:54.17 | posix_X | I am having " segmetation fault " on my disk , is there any way of reparing it ?! a Adata 500 120gigas |
| 17:54.17 | posix_X | 5xx series |
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| 17:54.36 | greycat | Segmentation fault happens to programs, not to disks. |
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| 17:56.29 | posix_X | why, is apt-get giving me that error , is bug ?! |
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| 17:56.59 | greycat | If you're getting a segmentation fault from apt-get, it could be a bug in apt-get, or it could be bad memory, bad motherboard, overheating, etc. |
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| 17:58.59 | posix_X | everything ok here |
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| 17:59.21 | posix_X | fan is low and cold 'n'quiet off |
| 17:59.21 | posix_X | wired |
| 17:59.39 | posix_X | it might fix the problem dont you think? enable on mode bios |
| 17:59.58 | NoCode | Been trying to iron out why my vhost won't show my index.html page, but it seems there's no luck so far. I used: https://debiantalk.wordpress.com/2015/07/08/how-to-set-up-apache-virtual-hosts-on-debian-8/ to set it up. | "apachectl -S": http://apaste.info/7NG | My vhost file: http://apaste.info/PjF |
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| 18:00.55 | lesta | polyzen: what hardware? ram? |
| 18:01.09 | polyzen | 13:59:45 <-- | posix_X (~murtas@unaffiliated/sandieg) has quit (Quit: Leaving) |
| 18:01.30 | lesta | sorry |
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| 18:04.06 | polyzen | :p |
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| 18:08.35 | CtrlC | didn't "tasksel install web-server" use to install php and mysql too? |
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| 18:11.08 | jmcnaught | CtrlC: that task basically just installs apache2 and analog |
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| 18:11.32 | CtrlC | So useless! |
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| 18:12.39 | TomTomTosch | 'aptitude show task-web-server' shows you what the dummy package pulls. also, i think it did install php and some other stuff at some point, but not in jessie. |
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| 18:13.25 | jmcnaught | not all web servers need PHP |
| 18:13.39 | TomTomTosch | CtrlC: well, it's not that hard to install it afterwards. tasks just give a little convenience, they can't fit your every wish. |
| 18:13.47 | greycat | Not all web servers want apache, either :-P |
| 18:14.05 | CtrlC | yeah |
| 18:14.24 | TomTomTosch | if there only was a way to install whatever you want... |
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| 18:15.00 | greycat | The tasks are meant for the most common cases, so if you're not a member of that particular herd, go ahead and skip the task and install what you want. |
| 18:15.01 | prussian | hmm |
| 18:15.04 | prussian | I know right? |
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| 18:18.59 | Walakea | how many more codenames does debian have to use? |
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| 18:19.24 | Walakea | and what happens when they run out of them? |
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| 18:20.42 | TomTomTosch | Walakea: then we will pay pixar to do another toy story? |
| 18:20.55 | Walakea | i guess so |
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| 18:22.27 | mutante | Walakea: do the math https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters |
| 18:22.38 | bla1 | hi there. a few hours ago i installed debian jessie without a de on my computer, then added openbox as window manager. my screen froze maybe four or five times, then showed only weird broken looking patterns. since it is the first time i try to configure my own desktop environment, i thought somebody could give me a hint what could have caused this? what i did so far is: installed xserver-xorg-core, xinit and openbox, then created a xinitrc file |
| 18:22.39 | TomTomTosch | but with one release every other year we have some time. still didn't get to Debian "Mr. Pricklepants" |
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| 18:23.23 | MadHatter42 | hey guys , i've started to bring together a couple of small insights on debian on this repo git@github.com:tuwid/awesome-alexandria.git |
| 18:23.32 | MadHatter42 | feel free to contribute if you want |
| 18:23.42 | MadHatter42 | https://github.com/tuwid/awesome-alexandria.git |
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| 18:26.06 | Devastator | jmcnaught I don't know if you saw what I said early today, but I'm sorry for yesterday, I couldn't thank you and today I did what you said, but I wasn't sure which type of media should I choose while creating the VM, "Local install media" perhaps?! |
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| 18:26.48 | JustinHitla | I have netbook with internal bluetooth adapter it shows up as hci0 device but after I removed some modules with "modprobe -r" it dissapeared, hciconfig shows nothing at all, is there any way to get it back without reboot ? as I said its internal so I can't disconnect and connect it again like USB one, also loading modules back doesn't work, should |
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| 18:26.53 | JustinHitla | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:27.48 | jmcnaught | Devastator: oh hey, no worries. "local install media" is the debian.iso you're installing from. If you're using the virt-manager wizard to make a VM, on step 4/5 you can "select managed or other existing storage" and then create a volume in your LVM pool |
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| 18:28.51 | jmcnaught | bla1: do you have any errors from logs? when it freezes, how do you unfreeze it? |
| 18:29.39 | Meerkat | is the kernel in debian not updated very often? I haven't had an update in about 2 months |
| 18:29.49 | Devastator | jmcnaught the first step is to choose how I would like to install the OS, "local install media" fine then, right? |
| 18:30.28 | greycat | Stable packages only update when there is a security fix, or a major bug that gets swept into a point release. |
| 18:30.38 | jmcnaught | Devastator: yeah. i usually put a debina netinst in /var/lib/libvirt/images for that |
| 18:31.44 | Devastator | jmcnaught also I would like to point out that while asking for help in #qemu @ oftc I was told kernels 4.5/4.6 has a bug in THP, the fix is already in main tree and I asked in #debian-kernel @ oftc if the fix could be cherry-picked into a new backport kernel, the maintainer is evaluating the possibility |
| 18:31.48 | jmcnaught | will eventually typo every anagram of debian in this channel. |
| 18:32.13 | Devastator | but I think I have no use for THP now, right? |
| 18:32.15 | greycat | In A Bed |
| 18:32.27 | jmcnaught | Devastator: is using the stock jessie 3.16 kernel an option? |
| 18:33.07 | Devastator | jmcnaught it could be, but I find it rather old, don't you think? do you run yours in stock kernel? |
| 18:34.41 | jmcnaught | Devastator: yes of course. i stick to what Debian defaults as much as possible. the backports kernels are there for people who need newer hardware supported, or some new kernel feature maybe |
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| 18:36.30 | warsoul | hello guys |
| 18:36.42 | Devastator | jmcnaught I see, I kind of agree with your point, but there was some major changes in kernel since 4.x in terms of performance.. I guess I'll take my chances, people in #qemu couldn't say a recommended kernel for using it |
| 18:36.43 | warsoul | got internet connection working fine did apt-get update |
| 18:36.52 | warsoul | but still startx freeze |
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| 18:38.26 | Devastator | jmcnaught my host has 4GB, I'm thinking about creating a VM with 1.5GB and the other with 2GB, should I install i386 on them or should I stay with amd64? |
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| 18:39.26 | jmcnaught | warsoul: now you'll be able to put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on paste.debian.net |
| 18:40.14 | jmcnaught | Devastator: i use amd64 everywhere |
| 18:40.41 | bla1 | mmcnaught: i need to find out about the logfiles. give me a few minutes. i was not able to unfreeze, i had to use the power switch |
| 18:42.06 | warsoul | jmcnaught i have connection but im still on terminal |
| 18:42.58 | warsoul | there is a way to pastebin from terminal? |
| 18:43.02 | jmcnaught | !pastebinit |
| 18:43.02 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 18:43.18 | jmcnaught | warsoul (and bla1 too) ^^ |
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| 18:48.10 | warsoul | jmcnaught im getting en error saying unable to locate package pastebinit |
| 18:48.16 | warsoul | i did the upgrade |
| 18:48.34 | greycat | ,v pastebinit |
| 18:48.35 | judd | Package: pastebinit on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.1-2squeeze1; wheezy: 1.3-4; jessie: 1.4-4; stretch: 1.5-1; sid: 1.5-1 |
| 18:48.40 | zykotick9 | warsoul: an alternative is http://termbin.com/ just "command | nc termbin.com 9999" |
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| 18:49.37 | jmcnaught | warsoul: and using zykotick9's command you should start with showing your sources.list |
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| 18:50.23 | warsoul | jmcnaught like this: sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 18:50.57 | zykotick9 | warsoul: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999" |
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| 18:52.25 | warsoul | done. |
| 18:53.08 | greycat | This would be the part where you tell us what the URL is. |
| 18:53.21 | warsoul | it not showing url yet |
| 18:53.26 | warsoul | _ is blinking |
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| 18:53.42 | BinBasher | Can I install libglib1.2ldbl_1.2.10-19build1_i386 libgtk1.2_1.2.10-18.1build2_i386 libgtk1.2-common_1.2.10-18.1build2_all and place libSDL-1.2.so without breaking my debian jessie? |
| 18:53.55 | BinBasher | through .deb installers that is |
| 18:54.15 | jmcnaught | zykotick9: by the way you can do that without cat: "nc termbin.com 9999 < /etc/apt/sources.list" for example |
| 18:54.23 | bla1 | jmcnaught: can you tell me in what log i should look and for what? i never had to use these before |
| 18:54.31 | zykotick9 | warsoul: <just fyi> but i just tried it, and it worked fine? http://termbin.com/fqqn |
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| 18:54.42 | warsoul | http://termbin.com/nikd |
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| 18:55.06 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: thank, /me was uselessly using cat all this time ;) |
| 18:55.12 | greycat | The fact that it took that long for your nc to connect is very disturbing. |
| 18:55.35 | nikomo | Anyone know how to print out the origin for a package, I'm trying to set up unattended-upgrades for gogs |
| 18:55.38 | warsoul | no i was missing a letter |
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| 18:56.04 | jmcnaught | bla1: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is a good place to start. that would be the most recent Xorg log. Look for lines with errors that start with (EE) or put it in a pastebin using one of the methods we've been discussing above |
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| 18:57.08 | warsoul | jmcnaught just want the sources.list |
| 18:57.09 | warsoul | ? |
| 18:57.43 | jmcnaught | warsoul: you are missing the jessie main source. you have security, updates, backports, but not the main line for jessie |
| 18:57.52 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell warsoul about jessie sources.list |
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| 18:58.05 | bla1 | alright, thanks |
| 18:58.42 | greycat | He has wannabe jessie lines but they say ftp.debian.org instead of a valid mirror. |
| 18:59.00 | greycat | err... no, sorry. He doesn't. Those are jessie-updates. |
| 18:59.12 | greycat | But they do say ftp.debian.org which is not a mirror AFAIK. |
| 18:59.16 | bennypr0fane | Hello, I can't use Flash plugin in Opera browser. There is this bug report https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=818540 In Message 20 there is supposed to be a working fix (said #Opera IRC channel), but I don't know how to use that. What am I supposed to do with this script? |
| 18:59.17 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/818540 in pepperflashplugin-nonfree (open, patch): «pepperflashplugin-nonfree: broken by new apt»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-03-17; last modified: 2016-05-05. |
| 18:59.19 | BinBasher | could anyone quickly confirm if I would or would not break my system with above installation method? |
| 18:59.23 | warsoul | http://termbin.com/f15y |
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| 18:59.34 | user | Hi I printed a test page but the bottom border didn't show |
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| 18:59.39 | user | anyone know why? |
| 19:00.12 | BinBasher | user: does it print properly in another OS? |
| 19:00.33 | user | BinBasher: I actually haven't tried in Windows yet |
| 19:00.48 | bla1 | jmcnaught: okay, i got 33.413] (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0), it is the only line that starts with EE |
| 19:01.03 | user | BinBasher: I don't even know where the test page is, I guess I could google it |
| 19:01.05 | BinBasher | user: try any other, might just be the printer too |
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| 19:02.12 | Devastator | jmcnaught damn, I wget debian-8.4.0-netinst.iso into /var/lib/libvirt/images/ as root, but guest doesn't seem to be able to read the disk |
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| 19:03.03 | warsoul | jmcnaught added the line and did update again |
| 19:03.09 | jmcnaught | bla1: next time it freezes try switching to a different virtual console or use this trick instead of rebooting: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_alt_sysrq_key . You could then look for recent errors in "journalctl" output |
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| 19:04.26 | jmcnaught | Devastator: on the libvirt host: "virsh -c qemu:///system pool-refresh default" (or use the recycle icon in virt-manager when looking at that storage pool) |
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| 19:05.19 | warsoul | still freezing on startx |
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| 19:06.31 | jmcnaught | bla1: with journalctl you can specify a program to see its related errors for example "journalctl /usr/bin/Xorg". Or if you were using a display manager like lightdm or gdm you could do "journalctl -u gdm". |
| 19:06.40 | bla1 | jmcnaught: thanks a lot, but the last times i was not able to switch to another virtual console. i will read through your link |
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| 19:08.17 | jmcnaught | bla1: you can also set journald to save journals between boots (they're not persistent by default in Debian), see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian. Then you can use "journalctl --boot -1" to see the previous boot (or you can grep through the various logs in /var/log to find the problem) |
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| 19:09.24 | jmcnaught | bla1: there's probably also a ~/.xsession-errors or something in your home directory if you use startx (which i haven't used since the 90s) |
| 19:10.25 | jmcnaught | warsoul: yesterday weren't you trying to get the newer intel GPU drivers from jessie-backports? Is that what you're trying to do today? |
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| 19:12.02 | bla1 | jmcnaught: thanks, might be usefull. yes i use startx |
| 19:12.53 | Devastator | jmcnaught have you ever seen "Could not read CDROM (code 0009)"? |
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| 19:16.39 | debug0x1 | I found out my issue, I'm a noob, and didn't use a nameserver. |
| 19:16.48 | debug0x1 | It was using the IP as a nameserver, and that wasn't working. |
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| 19:17.58 | teraflops | warsoul: haswell? |
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| 19:23.10 | awwal | So no one knows how to disable a given pkg from being started and running in X bcoz it have a n .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart? |
| 19:24.07 | greycat | No, because nobody who actually knows anything uses stuff that uses .desktop files. |
| 19:24.25 | greycat | Thus the divide between the Knows and the Knows-Nots grows bigger. |
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| 19:29.53 | awwal | "no body knows" is just an asking way, nvm. but I dont believe that no one uses stuff that uses .desktop. (gnome keyrings stuff, pulseaudio, notification daemon and more...) I believe they are present in a satandard debian system, also in your's , greycat |
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| 19:31.19 | greycat | waiting for you to name something I use |
| 19:31.43 | greycat | Also, if any of the other 1700 people here use these things and can answer your question, they're welcome to answer. |
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| 19:32.15 | awwal | thats obvious, Mr greycat |
| 19:32.30 | greycat | listens to the IRC crickets |
| 19:32.44 | awwal | we are not going to start a war about a few words, please, cheers (Y) |
| 19:33.00 | jmcnaught | Devastator: no i don't think so. if you do "virsh dumpxml VM_NAME_HERE" you can compare the cdrom device to mine here: http://paste.debian.net/683448/ |
| 19:33.13 | greycat | I'm not starting a war. I'm pointing out a real, serious issue. Nobody who knows things can answer this question because they don't use the things you use. |
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| 19:33.51 | awwal | you dont know what other people use. anyway, forget it |
| 19:33.53 | Devastator | jmcnaught seems identical |
| 19:34.29 | jmcnaught | Devastator: did you verify the iso download? |
| 19:34.43 | teraflops | awwal: wait I don't even get what you asked |
| 19:34.48 | Devastator | jmcnaught md5 matches |
| 19:35.17 | jmcnaught | awwal: those files in /etc/xdg/autostart are conffiles, you could just move them out of that directory |
| 19:35.25 | teraflops | ... how can I disable something that puts a thing in an autostart folder? |
| 19:35.37 | teraflops | deleting the desktop file? |
| 19:38.03 | awwal | teraflops, jmcnaught, I have for example wicd and xfce power manager being loaded to my systemtray because of ther .desktop files in xdg, so I dont want them in my system tray and I dont know how to disable that. |
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| 19:38.57 | awwal | jmcnaught, I thught in that remove them or mouve them from xdg dir but I dont know if its the normal solution |
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| 19:40.40 | Devastator | ,v virt-manager |
| 19:40.41 | judd | Package: virt-manager on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-8; wheezy: 0.9.1-4; jessie: 1:1.0.1-5; sid: 1:1.3.2-4; stretch: 1:1.3.2-4 |
| 19:41.18 | teraflops | awwal: what does mean .desktop files in xdg? also you say xfce power manager being loaded to my systemtray because of ther .desktop files in the xdg and then you say I dont know how to disable that |
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| 19:41.58 | teraflops | awwal: that's crazy, well my english is crap but it does not make sense to me |
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| 19:42.15 | greycat | http://askubuntu.com/questions/63407/where-are-startup-commands-stored |
| 19:42.28 | greycat | That appears to answer your questions, but I cannot test it. I don't use this stuff. |
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| 19:43.16 | warsoul | greycat i try to install lxde |
| 19:43.23 | warsoul | but when try to run it startlxde |
| 19:43.27 | greycat | Did you get a vanilla startx to work? |
| 19:43.31 | awwal | teraflops, thanks for the link |
| 19:43.33 | teraflops | awwal: but it looks like you already know how to disable them |
| 19:43.37 | warsoul | greycat no |
| 19:43.41 | warsoul | startx didnt work |
| 19:43.43 | awwal | greycat, I meant :) |
| 19:43.52 | greycat | If startx is still freezing the system, installing MORE COMPLICATED stuff is not going to fix that. |
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| 19:44.23 | warsoul | trying lxde it says Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display |
| 19:44.33 | warsoul | greycat what else you think i should check? |
| 19:44.39 | greycat | That's because that's not how you ... fuck it, too much to explain and you won't understand. |
| 19:44.44 | teraflops | warsoul: haswell? |
| 19:44.52 | markybob | you were probably root then |
| 19:45.30 | warsoul | but if driver and everything is install |
| 19:45.41 | warsoul | what could be the problem on freezing after startx |
| 19:45.58 | greycat | Bad driver, bad hardware, we can't really tell. You haven't given enough info. |
| 19:46.08 | teraflops | stops asking warsoul for the cpu/gnu generation |
| 19:46.16 | greycat | I tried to help you try to install the jessie-backports intel video driver yesterday. |
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| 19:46.28 | greycat | That was just a quick & easy try to see if it would work. |
| 19:46.33 | warsoul | greycat can we do it again? |
| 19:46.36 | warsoul | before debian |
| 19:46.41 | warsoul | it was working fine |
| 19:46.56 | teraflops | you don't even need a xf86 video driver for latest intel gpus |
| 19:47.01 | awwal | teraflops, for example, openbox-session calls autostart file and starts in background and if the pkg have a systray icon openbox-session puts in systemtray, so I want prevent that. thats all. I want openbox load only the apps I want so wondering if deleting .desktop files is the solution. thats all |
| 19:47.03 | teraflops | modesetting is fine |
| 19:47.15 | awwal | anyway, not important, forget my question (Y) |
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| 19:48.39 | teraflops | awwal: openbox is old as hell and I never used it, i cannot help you with that bit. but if you want to disable a thing being started because it has a .desktop file in a folder i bet deleting/moving it away stops autostarting it |
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| 19:48.58 | greycat | I bet the answer in that askbuntu forum post also works. |
| 19:49.06 | Sunny_ | can someone help a noob with that error ? https://gist.github.com/SunnyTeater/d98ae9097ce8756f95372df263e231a0 |
| 19:49.44 | warsoul | greycat could you help me install the backports intel video drivers? |
| 19:49.57 | user | does anyone sync tasks/calendar locally between computer and android? |
| 19:50.12 | greycat | Just do what you were told yesterday. |
| 19:50.24 | greycat | apt-get install -t jessie-backports xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 19:50.46 | [ats]posix | xD |
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| 19:51.14 | warsoul | greycat done |
| 19:51.16 | warsoul | 1upgrade |
| 19:51.19 | warsoul | now startx |
| 19:51.19 | warsoul | ? |
| 19:51.35 | greycat | Who knows. |
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| 19:52.27 | warsoul | WORK!!!!! |
| 19:52.29 | warsoul | :0 |
| 19:52.31 | warsoul | :) |
| 19:52.35 | warsoul | lol |
| 19:52.37 | warsoul | thanks greycat |
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| 19:56.49 | mi11k1 | warsoul: try a dm like slim or lightdm |
| 19:57.07 | greycat | Well, now that he has startx working he can install any DE or WM that he wants. |
| 19:57.27 | warsoul | greycat when i type startx |
| 19:57.30 | warsoul | it run lxde |
| 19:57.33 | mi11k1 | oh, i missed thathe has it working , haha |
| 19:57.51 | teraflops | Sunny_: does /etc/php5/conf.d/ folder exist there? |
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| 20:00.10 | BinBasher | does a 64 bit version of libgtk-1.2.so.0 exist? |
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| 20:01.24 | user | how many are in the UK? :D |
| 20:01.29 | user | just wondering |
| 20:02.00 | Sunny_ | teraflops: i have no conf.d folder in /etc/php5/ |
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| 20:04.49 | teraflops | Sunny_: yeah you solved the issue |
| 20:05.00 | teraflops | congrats |
| 20:05.04 | Sunny_ | oem .. |
| 20:05.09 | [ats]posix | my disc is healthy , now ! tks guys |
| 20:05.38 | Sunny_ | i have to create a conf.d folder ? |
| 20:06.04 | greycat | what. |
| 20:06.16 | greycat | greg@remote:~$ dpkg -L php5-fpm | grep conf.d | head -1 |
| 20:06.16 | greycat | /etc/php5/fpm/conf.d |
| 20:06.29 | teraflops | Sunny_: read the error. it says it cannot copy the file to that folder. and that folder does not exists .... |
| 20:06.38 | greycat | greg@remote:~$ dpkg -L php5-common | grep conf.d | head -1 |
| 20:06.38 | greycat | /etc/php5/conf.d |
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| 20:07.10 | teraflops | Sunny_: but I wonder if it's a bug or the package you're trying to install is not from debian repos |
| 20:07.11 | Sunny_ | wow, wow.... wow.. :D thanks... |
| 20:07.14 | greycat | So the question is WHY do you not have this directory. |
| 20:07.26 | Sunny_ | its from debian i think.. |
| 20:08.11 | Sunny_ | nice it works. i´m so happy now :D thanks guys. |
| 20:08.17 | teraflops | heh ;) |
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| 20:10.44 | greycat | Hey, I finally found a box that can find a libgtk1.2 package. It's a Debian 5 box. |
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| 20:11.05 | teraflops | heh |
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| 20:11.15 | greycat | So you just need to yoink the libgtk1.2 package out of the lenny archive. |
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| 20:12.48 | DammitJim | I don't even know where to ask this question, but is there a way to check what files will be updated with rsync when doing this over ssh to another server? |
| 20:13.02 | greycat | rsync has a -n option for this, I think? |
| 20:13.08 | jelly | DammitJim: -n |
| 20:13.23 | greycat | (#rsync would also have been a valid place to ask) |
| 20:13.34 | DammitJim | I did -n but it printed everything |
| 20:13.35 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 20:14.11 | teraflops | --dry-run is similar? |
| 20:14.11 | warsoul | greycat what desktop you use? |
| 20:14.18 | greycat | I use fvwm. Not a desktop. |
| 20:14.26 | jelly | DammitJim: which other options did you use? my typical -Pan only displays changed files |
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| 20:14.54 | DammitJim | --dry-run = -n |
| 20:15.04 | DammitJim | thanks jelly |
| 20:15.09 | teraflops | ah ^ |
| 20:17.01 | BinBasher | apparently it does exist.. does anyone have a copy of the 64 bit libgtk-1.2.so.0 ? |
| 20:17.11 | greycat | It's in the lenny archive. |
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| 20:17.38 | user | anyone know how to set up a picture in picture thingy? |
| 20:17.40 | greycat | I make no promises that a lenny package will be installable on your system. |
| 20:17.41 | user | is it possible? |
| 20:17.58 | user | play a vid in the background while I work/do other stuff? lol |
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| 20:18.34 | greycat | We call those "windows". |
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| 20:18.51 | teraflops | grab the package and ar it |
| 20:19.11 | greycat | Play the video in a window. Voila. |
| 20:19.11 | [ats]posix | read @ work somewhere else that quakelive is linux ready, again! |
| 20:19.19 | [ats]posix | under steam |
| 20:19.33 | user | greycat: ok :( |
| 20:19.45 | greycat | I don't understand the :( there. |
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| 20:20.11 | user | me neither, a doh moment I guess |
| 20:20.33 | user | has anyone tried taskwarrior? |
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| 20:21.05 | greycat | Does such a thing exist, or is this a trick question? If it exists, chances are fairly high that someone somewhere has tried it. |
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| 20:22.09 | user | greycat: yup, it's not a trick question |
| 20:22.47 | user | where is everyone from? |
| 20:24.19 | ninecheddar | Marijuana, Ontario, Canada |
| 20:24.25 | ninecheddar | err |
| 20:24.25 | user | lol |
| 20:24.25 | markybob | user: this isn't for chatting. go to #debian-offtopic for that |
| 20:24.27 | ninecheddar | Toronto |
| 20:24.33 | ninecheddar | ^^^ |
| 20:24.45 | user | markybob: ok |
| 20:24.46 | [ats]posix | how do i remove a broken package ? |
| 20:24.50 | [ats]posix | virtualbox |
| 20:24.53 | [ats]posix | broken .. |
| 20:24.59 | greycat | Depends on how it's broken. |
| 20:25.05 | ninecheddar | omg! I have to ask a similar question |
| 20:25.07 | [ats]posix | dpaste |
| 20:25.08 | greycat | What happened when you tried to remove it with dpkg --purge? |
| 20:25.08 | [ats]posix | sec |
| 20:25.09 | warsoul | greycat i think im missing a driver |
| 20:25.17 | warsoul | im connected via ethernet |
| 20:25.28 | warsoul | but when i try wifi it says no wireless networks found. |
| 20:25.39 | ninecheddar | I wanted to run Cinnamon in VirtualBox, what a crazy time I had with that |
| 20:25.48 | greycat | Don't ask particular people for help with wifi. Ask the channel at large. |
| 20:26.26 | ninecheddar | ah that problem in vbox? you connect inside the VM with "ethernet", your host OS connects via WiFi |
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| 20:28.54 | jmcnaught | warsoul: "lspci -nn | grep -i net | nc termbin.com 9999" |
| 20:28.57 | PaulePanter | Hi. If I have gcc-4.9 and gcc-5 installed, how can I control what the default compiler (/usr/bin/gcc) is? |
| 20:29.24 | PaulePanter | The software does not support setting CC= variable. |
| 20:29.46 | markybob | !update-alternatives |
| 20:29.47 | dpkg | update-alternatives is a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the Debian <alternatives> system. The galternatives package provides a graphical front-end. |
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| 20:30.38 | greycat | I don't think gcc uses alternatives |
| 20:30.57 | greycat | Just change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink directly, yourself. |
| 20:31.04 | markybob | oh |
| 20:31.17 | jmcnaught | there's an alternative for cc which for me points to /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 20:31.40 | greycat | not particularly useful if his "cannot be configured" not-make thing directly runs gcc |
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| 20:32.09 | [ats]posix | its fixed tks greycat |
| 20:32.11 | markybob | greycat: yes it actually does |
| 20:32.17 | [ats]posix | :) |
| 20:32.27 | greycat | which "it" actually does what? |
| 20:32.30 | [ats]posix | can someone show me good wallpaper website |
| 20:32.30 | warsoul | jmcnaught http://termbin.com/twj5 |
| 20:32.34 | [ats]posix | fancy and cool ! |
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| 20:33.46 | greycat | update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for gcc |
| 20:34.04 | greycat | in case that's what markybob thought "it" "does" |
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| 20:34.48 | jmcnaught | warsoul: you need to follow the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 20:36.21 | warsoul | jmcnaugt # Debian 7 "Wheezy" |
| 20:36.21 | warsoul | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 20:36.25 | warsoul | i have debian 8 |
| 20:36.54 | jmcnaught | warsoul: that's an example. adapt the example for your situation |
| 20:36.57 | greycat | Then don't use a wheezy repository. |
| 20:37.23 | greycat | It's just "add contrib and non-free", right? |
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| 20:38.04 | jmcnaught | warsoul: also based on your lspci output you'll want to use the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package |
| 20:38.20 | warsoul | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ firmware-b43-installer |
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| 20:38.25 | warsoul | like that |
| 20:38.26 | warsoul | ? |
| 20:39.16 | jmcnaught | warsoul: no. "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free" (but you might already have this in your sources.list |
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| 20:39.45 | jmcnaught | warsoul: pay close attention to the instructions and make sure you select the correct package for your card |
| 20:40.08 | warsoul | jmcnaught how do i know the correct package to my card? |
| 20:41.21 | jmcnaught | warsoul: this was yours: http://termbin.com/twj5 use the information from that and the wiki page to figure it out |
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| 20:42.48 | jmcnaught | warsoul: actually maybe it's not so clear. the wiki page says that your card needs firmware-b43-lpphy-installer but that package is only available for wheezy. you'll need to do more research |
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| 20:46.35 | warsoul | jmcnaught i already have the jessie main i added the line you type and it gave me an error |
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| 20:46.49 | warsoul | but when i try to install de firmware installer is giving me error |
| 20:48.08 | jmcnaught | warsoul: make another paste of your sources.list, and also of the command you used and the output you get |
| 20:48.35 | warsoul | ok |
| 20:50.31 | warsoul | http://http://termbin.com/xhoe |
| 20:50.39 | warsoul | http://termbin.com/xhoe |
| 20:50.53 | BinBasher | Could anyone explain this? http://paste.debian.net/683459/ |
| 20:50.56 | user | how do I check the version of a package on the command line? |
| 20:51.02 | greycat | user: dpkg -l pkgname |
| 20:51.11 | greycat | (pipe it to cat to make it stop truncating) |
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| 20:52.11 | jmcnaught | warsoul: each of your "deb" lines just end with "main". you need to add "contrib non-free" after main to each one |
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| 20:53.11 | warsoul | after that apt-get update |
| 20:53.12 | warsoul | ? |
| 20:53.32 | jmcnaught | BinBasher: an ancient package from a decade ago isn't installing cleanly on a modern system |
| 20:54.03 | jmcnaught | BinBasher: seems like it is missing a dependency libgtk1.2-common |
| 20:54.29 | BinBasher | jmcnaught: yep, I installed that the line above |
| 20:54.38 | jmcnaught | warsoul: any time you update your sources.list file you need to run "apt-get update" for the changes to take effect |
| 20:54.47 | warsoul | ok done |
| 20:54.55 | BinBasher | jmcnaught: any clue where to look into since I've installed the dependency? |
| 20:55.03 | warsoul | now apt-get install firmware-b43-installer |
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| 20:56.20 | user | command to check debian version? |
| 20:56.37 | greycat | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:57.14 | greycat | If that's not enough info for a particular situation, the next step is usually dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
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| 20:57.32 | user | greycat: that's good, thanks :) |
| 20:58.40 | BinBasher | greg, any clue what I should do? You seem to be a guru ;-) |
| 20:59.26 | warsoul | jmcnaught installed the firmware |
| 20:59.37 | warsoul | but still no wireless networks found. |
| 21:00.01 | jmcnaught | warsoul: did the messages on the screen indicate success of failure when you installed the package? |
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| 21:00.25 | meshuggah | hello i try to setup crontab, but it fail |
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| 21:00.33 | jmcnaught | warsoul: you probably need to at least reload the modules for the wireless card (or reboot) for it to work (assuming the firmware installed successfully) |
| 21:01.13 | warsoul | yes it was installed with no errors |
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| 21:01.58 | jmcnaught | warsoul: for you i think rebooting will be easier than trying to figure out which modules need to be removed and loaded |
| 21:02.19 | jmcnaught | meshuggah: can you provide details about how you tried and how it failed? |
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| 21:04.00 | warsoul | no wireless networks found. |
| 21:04.02 | warsoul | :( |
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| 21:05.39 | jmcnaught | warsoul: after you rebooted? are there broadcom related messages in the output of "dmesg | grep -i firmware"? |
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| 21:05.57 | meshuggah | jmcnaught, */5 * * * * supybot-botchk --botdir=/home/bot1/supybot1/ --pidfile=/home/bot1/s$ |
| 21:06.02 | meshuggah | jmcnaught, with crontab -e |
| 21:06.10 | greycat | Try writing the full path to supybot-botchk |
| 21:06.29 | meshuggah | */5 * * * * supybot-botchk --botdir=/home/bot1/supybot1/ --pidfile=/home/bot1/supybot1/AktionT4.pid --conffile=/home/bot1/supybot1/AktionT4.conf sorry |
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| 21:06.42 | greycat | Try writing the full path to supybot-botchk |
| 21:06.51 | meshuggah | maybe that |
| 21:06.53 | meshuggah | thank |
| 21:07.24 | Walakea | what does it mean, when dmesg tells me this? [ 0.044404] Your BIOS is broken and requested that x2apic be disabled. |
| 21:07.50 | warsoul | jmcnaught http://termbin.com/vfu2 |
| 21:08.03 | greycat | It means don't count on x2apic whatever that is. |
| 21:09.50 | jmcnaught | warsoul: looks like it loaded the firmwares okay. are you using network manager? what does "nmcli device wifi list" do? |
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| 21:10.04 | PaulePanter | greycat: Thank you. I had checked update-alternatives too, but found out it does not work. |
| 21:10.09 | PaulePanter | ⦠for gcc. |
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| 21:10.45 | warsoul | nmcli command not found |
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| 21:11.20 | jmcnaught | warsoul: so what are you using to connect to wireless networks? |
| 21:11.37 | warsoul | on the desktop |
| 21:11.42 | warsoul | Wicd Network Manager |
| 21:11.47 | [ats]posix | xD |
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| 21:14.41 | jmcnaught | warsoul: ahh.. i don't know how to use wicd on the command line. Take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 21:15.09 | warsoul | can we install the one you know |
| 21:15.09 | warsoul | ? |
| 21:15.53 | mrrhq | I use just a plain wpa_supplicant config file and a line in my /etc/network/interfaces file to use it. |
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| 21:16.24 | jmcnaught | warsoul: there are instructions (and links to more info) for a variety of ways to use wifi in the link i just sent you |
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| 21:19.13 | erm3nda | Hi. Question: Does anyone know where to tweak the appearance of the workspace changer?? I don't know the path to start search. I suspect something inside the cinnamon themes in my case |
| 21:20.11 | user | how do I rename an external hd's label? |
| 21:22.06 | erm3nda | I used Gparted to that task |
| 21:23.42 | warsoul | there is any other network manager easier than wicd? |
| 21:24.07 | user | am I doing something wrong? |
| 21:24.18 | user | I think that my external hd should appear within /mnt/ |
| 21:24.20 | user | but its not there |
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| 21:26.17 | mrrhq | user: Does fdisk -l show anything? |
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| 21:30.18 | user | mrrhq: it's ok, i will do it later |
| 21:30.23 | user | mrrhq: not urgent |
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| 21:36.02 | erm3nda | :V |
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| 21:50.43 | warsoul | jmcnaught done thanks buddy |
| 21:50.48 | warsoul | the webpage was helpfull |
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| 21:52.36 | jmcnaught | warsoul: nice, i'm glad you got it figured out |
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| 21:54.24 | user | how do I automount my windows drives? |
| 21:54.26 | user | on startup |
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| 21:55.46 | mrrhq | Wondering if anybody knows a little about networking. I have 6rd enabled on my router, and I have an IPv6 and IPv4 address. But I can only use IPv4. Is there a way to set up my interfaces file to use IPv6 on wlan0? I have used ip -6 addr and it says I have the LAN address, however ip -6 route doesn't show a route, and I can't seem to add an IPv6 default route. Shows up an error: "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid |
| 21:55.48 | mrrhq | argument" |
| 21:56.24 | warsoul | jmcnaught what irc client you use? |
| 21:56.56 | mrrhq | I have read this page: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 -- But I don't know whish instructions I need for follow for my situation with 6rd. |
| 21:57.48 | jmcnaught | warsoul: i use irssi running inside a GNU screen session on a shell server that I connect to with ssh. that way my IRC client is always connected and I can reattach |
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| 21:58.18 | paule32 | hello |
| 21:58.18 | prussian | oh |
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| 21:58.23 | prussian | I just use ZNC lol |
| 21:58.24 | andril | is it easy to install win$ after Debian so i can update my bios? |
| 21:58.34 | prussian | I guess? |
| 21:59.26 | andril | what about grub |
| 21:59.34 | markybob | it'll go away |
| 21:59.34 | paule32 | have jessie 8, can't use mysql_pdo, have install with dpkg -i ... but apache will can not use PDO - could not find driver |
| 22:00.06 | andril | has anyone updated a Dell bios in Debian before? |
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| 22:01.10 | paule32 | use PDO in php5 |
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| 22:02.29 | jmcnaught | paule32: do you have the php5-mysql package installed? |
| 22:02.34 | unborn | paule32: do you have installed php extentions? I mean plugins? |
| 22:02.55 | paule32 | how to found out - which files? |
| 22:03.41 | paule32 | php5-mysql is installed |
| 22:04.11 | paule32 | extensions??? |
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| 22:04.14 | unborn | paule32: you can install this: apt-get install php5-curl php5-dev php5-gd php5-intl php5-imagick php5-imap php5-mcrypt php5-memcache php5-common php5-mysql php-pear php5-pspell php5-recode php5-snmp php5-sqlite php5-tidy php5-xmlrpc php5-xsl php5-odbc php5-dev imagemagick make memcached g++ php5-adodb php5-ldap |
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| 22:05.03 | unborn | copy it all from apt-get and paste to terminall.. it will install few which you may not need but some of those depends from each other.. |
| 22:05.10 | jmcnaught | or maybe just the ones you need.. paule32 what exactly did you install with "dpkg -i"? |
| 22:05.22 | unborn | paule32: I call it extentions :) sorry |
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| 22:05.48 | unborn | jmcnaught: true.. but this way it would be faster you know ;) |
| 22:06.08 | unborn | also he may use them in future |
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| 22:07.33 | paule32 | jmcnaught: php5-gd... and php5-mysql... |
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| 22:08.50 | jmcnaught | paule32: where did you download the .deb files from, and why didn't use just you apt-get to install them from the debian repos? |
| 22:09.00 | paule32 | debian org |
| 22:09.09 | paule32 | unborn: aptitude search php5-extentions |
| 22:09.14 | paule32 | shows nothing |
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| 22:11.34 | jmcnaught | paule32: there is no need to download .deb files manually from debian.org, you should be installing them with commands like "apt-get install php5-mysql" for example |
| 22:13.19 | unborn | paule32: do it like this: apt-cache search --names-only ^php5- |
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| 22:14.08 | unborn | this will give you list of all existing ones so you can select one by name to install... |
| 22:15.27 | unborn | paule32: btw those php5-gd and php5-mysql are in command I gave you earlier if that is what you need to install |
| 22:16.09 | paule32 | unborn: pdo is not listed |
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| 22:17.58 | unborn | paule32: pdo? that is driver |
| 22:18.07 | paule32 | yes |
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| 22:18.23 | unborn | paule32: PDO and the PDO_SQLITE driver is enabled by default as of PHP 5.1.0. You may need to enable the PDO driver for your database of choice; consult the documentation for database-specific PDO drivers to find out more about that. |
| 22:18.32 | markybob | paule32: that'ss because you should be listening to jmcnaught |
| 22:18.41 | unborn | so this should works for you |
| 22:18.43 | unborn | http://php.net/manual/en/pdo.installation.php |
| 22:19.18 | markybob | paule32: the pdo driver is php5-mysql like you've been told |
| 22:19.50 | unborn | paule32: on my box its working.. I am able to install and run wordpress without mysql for this test.. I am running wordpress on sqlite without installation or enabling anything.. |
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| 22:20.36 | unborn | paule32: just run this command: apt-get install php5-curl php5-dev php5-gd php5-intl php5-imagick php5-imap php5-mcrypt php5-memcache php5-common php5-mysql php-pear php5-pspell php5-recode php5-snmp php5-sqlite php5-tidy php5-xmlrpc php5-xsl php5-odbc php5-dev imagemagick make memcached g++ php5-adodb php5-ldap |
| 22:20.50 | paule32 | unborn: php.ini settings? |
| 22:20.53 | markybob | jesus. |
| 22:20.56 | markybob | gives up |
| 22:21.19 | unborn | paule32: run the command above ^^^ |
| 22:21.49 | alphazulu | trying to install php7.0/redis/apache/owncloud on jessie... |
| 22:21.58 | unborn | thats all you need.. perhaps even more then you need right now but in future I think you will be needing this.. |
| 22:22.07 | markybob | alphazulu: not supported here |
| 22:22.15 | paule32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.15 | paule32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.15 | paule32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.25 | paule32 | Error processing |
| 22:22.38 | unborn | put cup of tea to markybobs hands... keep calm and use linux ;) |
| 22:24.02 | jmcnaught | alphazulu: all of that except php7 is available in jessie. if you want php7 you'll have to do some work yourself backporting it, or task some risks using a third-party repo (which would not be supported in #debian). Any reason you cannot use php 5.6 that comes with Jessie? |
| 22:24.16 | unborn | paule32: did you run the command? |
| 22:24.21 | paule32 | yes |
| 22:24.26 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell paule32 about bat |
| 22:24.41 | alphazulu | jmcnaught: using the dotdeb repo for php7.0 (and also latest redis) |
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| 22:24.58 | jmcnaught | paule32: please see the message from dpkg bot about the information you would need to provide for us to be able to help you with these apt problems |
| 22:25.45 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell alphazulu about dotdeb |
| 22:25.45 | unborn | paule32: brilliant so its working now yes? |
| 22:26.22 | paule32 | Trigger for php5-fpm (5.6.19+dfsg-0+deb8u1) |
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| 22:26.53 | paule32 | it seems it will install, but i get always the same error |
| 22:27.03 | paule32 | per apt-get |
| 22:27.05 | jmcnaught | paule32: please use http://paste.debian.net/ to show us full output including the command you used |
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| 22:27.19 | alphazulu | interesting |
| 22:27.36 | unborn | thanks god for paste! |
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| 22:28.25 | unborn | paule32: ah that module was not on that command.. you may try to install it by this command: apt-get install php5-fpm |
| 22:28.38 | unborn | then it should work |
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| 22:29.32 | paule32 | http://paste.debian.net/683472 |
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| 22:29.59 | jmcnaught | paule32: why are you still using dpkg -i? |
| 22:30.13 | paule32 | jmcnaught: unborn ... |
| 22:30.24 | digidog | hm .... this machine looks like sth is messed up with nvidia packages, aren't some of them conflicting ? pasty here -> http://ix.io/Dju |
| 22:30.47 | unborn | paule32: I told you to run that commands.. this is nothing even close what I typed.. |
| 22:31.09 | unborn | gives up.. I did try :D |
| 22:31.28 | unborn | okay better things to do then wasting time.. good night (zzz) |
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| 22:31.44 | paule32 | http://paste.debian.net/683474/ |
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| 22:32.34 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell paule32 about localized errors |
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| 22:37.50 | digidog | jmcnaught: isnt it !dpkg: ? |
| 22:38.23 | digidog | oh wait no, it runs in pm mode right ? |
| 22:39.28 | paule32 | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/683475/ |
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| 22:40.22 | somiaj | digidog: 'tell nick about factoid' will send nick a factoid from dpkg. 'tell nick -about factoid' will do the same thing, but dpkg will not send you a tell about the factoid as well. |
| 22:41.01 | somiaj | digidog: !factoid makes dpkg send it to the channel. |
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| 22:41.49 | digidog | somiaj: thanks! |
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| 22:44.03 | digidog | somiaj: very detailed and useful clarification. thank you very much |
| 22:44.07 | jmcnaught | paule32: so it seems that this problem was caused by manually installing packages with dpkg instead of apt-get. apt-get will automatically get the dependencies. can you try "apt-get -f install" ? Feel free to make a paste if it asks you something and you're not sure what to answer |
| 22:45.12 | jmcnaught | digidog: you can also do "!tell digidog about food" but I think it's more clear to the recipient if the bot itself is addressed. Same with judd, you can trigger with ",versions foo" or "judd: versions foo" |
| 22:45.42 | paule32 | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/683476/ |
| 22:46.47 | somiaj | jmcnaught: !tell jmcnaught about self tell (: |
| 22:47.02 | somiaj | digidog: /msg dpkg factoid (is another way if you want to get a factoid yourself) |
| 22:47.55 | jmcnaught | the factoids can also be searched here: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/ |
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| 22:48.13 | digidog | somiaj: yeah, and less interfering |
| 22:48.46 | digidog | jmcnaught: thanks for chiming in. nice overview of you both. |
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| 22:50.28 | jmcnaught | paule32: were apache2 and libapache2-mod-php5 also installed using "dpkg -i"? can you purge them with "apt-get purge apache2 libapache2-mod-php5" and then reinstall them with apt-get? |
| 22:52.38 | paule32 | ok, it seems to help |
| 22:52.40 | paule32 | root@debian /var/www/ipc/page/style/default/help/jens > apt-get -f install |
| 22:52.40 | paule32 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 22:52.40 | paule32 | Building dependency tree |
| 22:52.40 | paule32 | Reading state information... Done |
| 22:52.40 | paule32 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
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| 22:53.01 | paule32 | sorry |
| 22:53.10 | RippyDippy | is there a reason why I cannot install nor use fdisk? |
| 22:53.45 | paule32 | jmcnaught: and now, install pdo? |
| 22:54.06 | jmcnaught | paule32: do you want to use php-fpm or mod_php? |
| 22:54.27 | paule32 | ehm, good question |
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| 22:54.47 | paule32 | i dont know |
| 22:54.57 | paule32 | mod_pdo |
| 22:55.06 | paule32 | php is enabled |
| 22:56.11 | jmcnaught | paule32: probably you just need to do "apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql" |
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| 22:57.11 | paule32 | ok all installled |
| 22:57.17 | paule32 | but, pdo? |
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| 22:58.17 | jmcnaught | paule32: read the description of php5-mysql "apt-cache show php5-mysql". it is included in that package |
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| 23:18.59 | mcdado | hi! quick question⦠during the install of Debian 8 if I want only Xfce, do i need to leave selected Debian desktop enviroment? itâs confusing since GNOME (which is default) is selectable but not by default |
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| 23:21.44 | zykotick9 | mcdado: i'm actually not sure how that works (so i'm rather interested in a _real_ answer)... good luck (if i _had_ to bet right now, i'd uncheck the top "desktop environment" and only have the xfce... but that's TOTALLY a guess) |
| 23:22.22 | mcdado | https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#Install_a_fresh_system_with_Xfce |
| 23:22.36 | mcdado | here it says to keep Desktop Environemnt |
| 23:23.10 | zykotick9 | mcdado: ahhh. /me thinks thats sorta out-of-date versus new netinst options... <- again, not sure... |
| 23:23.40 | mcdado | hmm yeah iâm using netinst btw |
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| 23:24.19 | zykotick9 | mcdado: <just a sidenote> i always use netinst with nothin' but the last item select (system utils or whatever it's called) then install xorg & wm/de after... |
| 23:24.30 | jmcnaught | task-desktop depends (actually recommends) "task-gnome-desktop | task-xfce-desktop | task-kde-desktop..." so if you only select "desktop environment" it picks the first from that list (gnome) but if you select desktop environment and xfce, you will get an xfce desktop |
| 23:24.43 | zykotick9 | mcdado: oh i _know_ what you're currently seeing in netinst ;) that's why i replied. |
| 23:25.03 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: thanks! |
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| 23:26.20 | mcdado | thank you! |
| 23:27.07 | mcdado | for the sake of argument, if i select Xfce but donât select âdesktop enviromentâ, what happens? does it actually install Xfce? |
| 23:27.27 | mcdado | i would imagine it depends on it |
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| 23:27.32 | zykotick9 | also interested in ^^ ;) |
| 23:27.53 | jmcnaught | zykotick9: take a look at "tasksel --list-tasks" and "tasksel --task-packages TASK" to get a better idea what tasksel is gonna do. |
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| 23:29.12 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: AHHH, door is opened. i _do_ have a task question. where can i find what that "system utils or whatever it's called" package installs? most of the other tasks are task-foo packages i can use rdpends on... but not that system one it seams? |
| 23:29.13 | jmcnaught | mcdado: the task-xfce-desktop package depends on the task-desktop package, so it will be fine. the only difference is that tasksel might not think the desktop task was installed |
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| 23:30.31 | jmcnaught | zykotick9: i'm not 100% certain but i think this is the equivalent to the required, important and standard priorities.. something like "aptitude install ~prequired ~pimportant ~pstandard" |
| 23:30.32 | zykotick9 | s/seams/seems/ <- sorry it was buggin' me |
| 23:30.50 | mcdado | thanks for the feedback! for this time Iâd rather follow the procedure and avoiding to install the enviroment by hand afterwards ;) |
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| 23:32.47 | jmcnaught | zykotick9: https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#A.22standard.22_task |
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| 23:35.34 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: thanks again! good ol' "aptitude search .." ftw |
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| 23:40.18 | mcdado | iâm actually new to Debian⦠used mainly Ubuntu before; by default there is no sudo, am i right? |
| 23:40.51 | jmcnaught | mcdado: correct. you can install sudo later and add your user to the sudo group with "adduser username sudo" if you want to use it |
| 23:40.54 | zykotick9 | mcdado: using netinst, if you add a root password = no sudo by default. if you leave it blank = sudo by default |
| 23:41.24 | mcdado | thanks to both! |
| 23:41.47 | jmcnaught | i think the installer only gives you that option in expert mode |
| 23:42.40 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: i'd _certainly_ have to confirm (i've never actually done it) but i've heard leaving root password blank during regular netinst does install sudo... |
| 23:42.53 | jmcnaught | zykotick9: speaking of tasksel, do you know about blends? https://www.debian.org/blends/ There are tasks packages like "games-tasks" that will add more tasks to the tasksel menu (or you can browse the metapackages on that site) |
| 23:43.16 | jmcnaught | zykotick9: you're right, but it only asks you that question in expert mode |
| 23:43.48 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: i tried the blend for freedombox (it was a new experience for me) after seen there talk to LibrePlanet |
| 23:44.01 | mcdado | what people generally use? aptitude, apt or plain old apt-get/apt-cache? |
| 23:44.33 | zykotick9 | mcdado: i've been using apt a lot recently... before that aptitude... before that apt-get/aptitude... before that apt-get |
| 23:45.08 | mcdado | alright, so short apt is kinda new, correct? |
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| 23:45.45 | jmcnaught | zykotick9: freedombox is pretty cool but i haven't looked into it recently |
| 23:46.13 | zykotick9 | still doesn't think freedombox is ready for "prime time" <- but it's gonna be really cool someday... |
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| 23:47.20 | zykotick9 | ^ i mean requiring testing = "not ready for prime time" ;) |
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| 23:50.30 | jmcnaught | well last time i looked at it there were only ARM builds available so it seems like a lot of progress has been made |
| 23:52.38 | zykotick9 | :) |
| 23:53.11 | mcdado | so if i install sudo, can i then delete rootâs password? |
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| 23:55.39 | zykotick9 | mcdado: re: "apt is kinda new, correct" <- yes. actually i think it's the only one that's "actively" being developed right now??? |
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| 23:56.10 | mcdado | thanks |
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| 23:57.22 | mcdado | well⦠gotta go! thanks again |
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