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| 00:31.52 | DammitJim | jmcnaught, I'm so archaic, I only use simple php to html rendering to show the pictures LOL |
| 00:32.04 | DammitJim | it doesn't have to be instant |
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| 00:32.34 | DammitJim | you see... the problem I have is that I had code in php where it would execute the convert command |
| 00:32.48 | DammitJim | but this broke when I put the files on a samba share on another server (instead of the same server) |
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| 00:33.26 | allorder | Hi, I used this guide for my nginx https://gist.github.com/Swop/6049297 do I need to add ^<HOST> -.*"(GET|POST).*HTTPS.*"$ |
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| 01:01.57 | MarvelDigital | i'm running jessie and trying to get gtkpod to work with my ipod. however, the gtkpod is not seeing the ipod, whereas the dolphin file manager recognizes it and can access it. i have checked the permissions and the mount points. how cna i solve this? |
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| 01:06.53 | bazhang | MarvelDigital, you want to sync, copy files to/from or what |
| 01:08.05 | MarvelDigital | bazhang, i want to be able to add files and remove files from my ipod... |
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| 01:08.36 | bazhang | MarvelDigital, which model ipod |
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| 01:10.36 | MarvelDigital | bazhang, 160 silver 5th gen...it was working fine with wheezy before I changed to jessie... |
| 01:11.20 | bazhang | MarvelDigital, I've had good luck with various actual music players on doing that |
| 01:11.49 | MarvelDigital | bazhang, rhythmbox couldn't recognize it either...its so strange...and frustrating... |
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| 01:14.58 | markybob | there is a #gtkpod with...barely anyone. but at least you know they use it and i doubt the vast majority of us do |
| 01:15.49 | bazhang | amarok / rhythmbox /banshee have always worked a treat here |
| 01:16.07 | bazhang | gtlpod pretty much never |
| 01:16.12 | bazhang | and gtk |
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| 02:28.45 | jadz | Hello i just install vim-gnome and vim-gtk when i try to run vim.gnome it opens the terminal vim how do i get it to open gvim |
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| 02:32.48 | jmcnaught | jadz: gvim |
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| 02:33.09 | jadz | jmcnaught, tried it command not found |
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| 02:34.28 | jmcnaught | jadz: you installed vim-gtk or vim-gnome? |
| 02:34.39 | kerokero | `/usr/bin/gvim` ? |
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| 02:35.12 | jadz | haha I found it i had to run vim -gtk |
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| 02:36.27 | jmcnaught | jadz: what release of Debian is this? On jessie gvim is an alternatives managed symlink |
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| 02:37.33 | MarvelDigital | bazhang, any thoughts on how to fix it? wheezy it was working fine... |
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| 02:38.38 | jadz | jmcnaught, I'm running Debian 8.4 gvim isn't even in the main repos its only vim-gtk and vim-gnome |
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| 02:39.28 | jmcnaught | jadz: yes, the vim-gnome package makes the "gvim" command available via the alternatives system, it is done in the vim-gnome postinst script |
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| 03:05.40 | veek | any idea howto verify a key in apt against a key server |
| 03:05.57 | veek | pub 4096R/65FFB764 is that the fingerprint? shouldn't it be longer |
| 03:06.01 | veek | apt-key list |
| 03:06.37 | veek | ah hmm nm apt-key list finger doesn't work as expected |
| 03:08.49 | markybob | veek: for that you probably just need to apt-get install debian-archive-keyring and then apt-get update |
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| 03:11.11 | veek | markybob, how do you feed the fingerprint in apt-key against a gpg keyserver.. gpg --keyserver hkp://keyring.debian.org --search-key ?? |
| 03:11.28 | veek | gpg --keyserver hkp://keyring.debian.org --search-key ED6D65271AACF0FF15D123036FB2A1C265FFB764 not found |
| 03:11.55 | markybob | veek: i just googled your key. first result. wasnt hard https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.package-authentication.html |
| 03:12.21 | veek | ah thanks |
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| 03:13.21 | veek | markybob, nope.. i got the list of fingerprints how do i use gpg to verify against a keyserver manually |
| 03:13.59 | veek | Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (8/jessie) will be also stored on a keyserver so :p |
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| 03:14.43 | markybob | sure. that's why you're getting the archive package. okay, for the sake of sanity, paste your sources.list |
| 03:15.02 | markybob | you did get the archive package, right? |
| 03:15.06 | markybob | not the main one? |
| 03:15.46 | markybob | if it doesn't have "archive" in the name you did it wrong |
| 03:17.21 | veek | http://pastebin.com/jATE7xAx |
| 03:18.00 | markybob | hrm. frankendebian |
| 03:18.32 | markybob | i don't like getting envolved with that. good luck. |
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| 03:22.38 | jmcnaught | veek: i noticed that you have a testing repo commented out. did you at one point install something from testing? That can be dangerous and you might have a hybrid of stable and testing. This command will show you packages you have installed that are not from stable: "aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?archive(stable)))'" (note this will also show stuff from backports and SSBs) |
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| 03:23.19 | veek | jmcnaught, nope as in dpkg lists no testing (i vaguely remember checking) |
| 03:23.31 | veek | lemme check |
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| 03:24.43 | jmcnaught | veek: here is a shorter version that also shows the archive a package is installed from and version: aptitude -F "%p %v %t" search '~S ~i !~Astable' |
| 03:24.46 | veek | hmm jmcnaught it does list samsung suld, icdeove etc |
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| 03:25.10 | jmcnaught | veek: if you put it in a paste i'll take a look |
| 03:25.37 | veek | http://pastebin.com/8khANyvf |
| 03:26.10 | veek | looks okay |
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| 03:27.03 | jmcnaught | veek: yeah, looks like the non-stable stuff you have is from backports and some foreign suldr repo |
| 03:27.15 | pingfloyd | veek: the fingerprints are here https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
| 03:29.16 | veek | pingfloyd, nope none of the fprints are in apt-key fingerprint |
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| 03:29.30 | veek | i need a way to match against a keyserver |
| 03:29.52 | veek | query the server and see if the fingerprint is in there |
| 03:32.09 | veek | apt-key fingerprint|grep -i fingerprint|cut -d "=" -f 2|tr -d " "|xargs -I{} gpg --keyserver hkp://keyring.debian.org --search-key {} not found .. |
| 03:32.59 | veek | does that work on your box ? |
| 03:34.03 | Strife89 | Is there a way to check (and, if needed, manually adjust) the fan speed on a laptop? (Debian testing, Lenovo ThinkPad X201) |
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| 03:36.08 | pingfloyd | veek: you don't depend on the server |
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| 03:36.19 | pingfloyd | veek: keyserver verifies nothing |
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| 03:37.13 | pingfloyd | veek: you need a fingerprint that you know is authentic to compare against, or the keys needs to be in your web of trust, in order to verify. |
| 03:37.20 | jmcnaught | Strife89: the sensors command from the lm-sensors package can tell you fan speed. on my x200 and x220 the speed has always been adjusted automatically |
| 03:38.13 | veek | pingfloyd, it's a good enough way to verify i have legit keys for apt. browser->server is https; confirm server public key; then gpg to query the server for fingerprints-of-apt-servers |
| 03:38.30 | Strife89 | jmcnaught: How hot do your machines run, typically? I have a fairly light workload (Chromium with a dozen assorted tabs) and the CPU sensor is showing 52 C at the moment. |
| 03:38.49 | markybob | Strife89: that's perfectly fine |
| 03:38.53 | Strife89 | jmcnaught: (my X201 has a Core i5) |
| 03:39.09 | jmcnaught | veek: the chain of trust starts with downloading an ISO and verifying it with the hash sums (which are signed by keys that you can download from a key server). that trusted/verified ISO image contains the debian-archive-keyring, which is used to verify packages |
| 03:39.31 | Strife89 | I mostly got worried because the temp monitor showed 94 C today while encoding a DVD. |
| 03:39.33 | jmcnaught | Strife89: both of mine tend to hover between 45C and 53C |
| 03:39.45 | pingfloyd | veek: maybe check here too https://db.debian.org/ |
| 03:39.59 | markybob | Strife89: during stress that's not unusual either |
| 03:40.06 | Strife89 | markybob, jmcnaught: That's good to know, at least |
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| 03:40.27 | Strife89 | markybob: Ah. |
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| 03:41.22 | Strife89 | markybob: I have more DVDs to encode later, so I figure I should grab a thermal pad or something. What do you think? |
| 03:42.04 | markybob | Strife89: linux is pretty fucking good at just slowing your cpu down if it gets too hot. so it won't be as quick but you should be fine. |
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| 03:42.15 | veek | pingfloyd, oo nice :) but what's the point of verifying a dev signature.. apt-key fingerprint will list public keys for the various repos right? they sign the pkgs that apt-get downloads |
| 03:42.15 | Strife89 | jmcnaught, markybob: At ~50 C, does ~3274 RPM sound about right? |
| 03:42.25 | markybob | Strife89: yes |
| 03:42.27 | jmcnaught | Strife89: i have thermald installed on my x220, it will scale down the CPU a bit if the temperature gets too high. For the i5 in my laptop it didn't require any configuration (it is configurable though) |
| 03:42.45 | pingfloyd | veek: if the packaged is verifying okay when you use apt-get, then there isn't any point. |
| 03:43.01 | jmcnaught | Strife89: right now mine is 47C and my fan is 1956 RPM (computer isn't doing much though) |
| 03:43.43 | Strife89 | jmcnaught, markybob: All righty. Thanks for the info/advice! |
| 03:44.17 | pingfloyd | Strife89: if you're running an intel cpu it has cop |
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| 03:45.02 | pingfloyd | Strife89: otherwise, I wouldn't worry too much until you're less than 20C from the tjunction max temp |
| 03:45.47 | markybob | even then linux will just shut itself off and not let you harm the hardware |
| 03:46.15 | Strife89 | pingfloyd: tjunction? |
| 03:47.11 | pingfloyd | Strife89: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/processors/000005597.html |
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| 03:51.40 | Strife89 | pingfloyd: Ahh, thanks. 105 C, then. |
| 03:51.57 | Strife89 | Which, unfortunately, means I was within 10 C of that. |
| 03:52.23 | Strife89 | http://ark.intel.com/products/47341/Intel-Core-i5-520M-Processor-3M-Cache-2_40-GHz |
| 03:52.24 | pingfloyd | you got up to 95C? |
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| 03:52.44 | pingfloyd | Strife89: the thing is, once you reach the tjunction max, it begins thermal throttling |
| 03:52.44 | Strife89 | pingfloyd: Well, 94, but pretty much yeah |
| 03:53.41 | pingfloyd | it's more that once you get less than 20C to go to reach it, it is probably time to clean out the dust. |
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| 03:54.28 | pingfloyd | over time you get a feel for that. Like you have an idea how much dust you have by the pattern of heat with tasks. |
| 03:54.41 | markybob | Strife89: keep in mind laptops run hotter. mine right now is at 62 |
| 03:55.15 | pingfloyd | like when I start seeing my laptop around 65C regularly under heavy demand, it's time for my to open it up and clean with a gas duster. |
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| 03:55.35 | Strife89 | pingfloyd: On that note, the X201's intake vents are tiny. https://goo.gl/photos/Fc2U7YmYgndsqFDF9 |
| 03:55.44 | markybob | Strife89: the basic point is that linux will know the critical temp and cut it off, either by slowing it down or shutting it off |
| 03:55.45 | pingfloyd | it can take quite a bit of dust build up before it gets that bad, amazingly |
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| 03:57.56 | awwal | ,v gtk3-engines-breeze |
| 03:57.57 | judd | Package: gtk3-engines-breeze on amd64 -- experimental: 5.5.4-1 |
| 03:58.08 | Ragav | I am trying to set N2800 board with debian 8.2. For this process used GRML as Live. Initially i had same issue with GRML. However, noudev option helped me to boot GRML. Installed debian and now having same issue "After boot process completion screen goes blank". tried nomodeset already did not workout. request some guidance. |
| 03:58.19 | markybob | awwal: fyi for personal use you can /msg judd |
| 03:58.38 | Ragav | yet to try noudev as boot option however, i think it is not advised to use it |
| 03:58.57 | awwal | markybob, less flood, right (Y) |
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| 04:04.09 | jmcnaught | Ragav: do you get any more information if you remove "quiet" from the boot parameters? |
| 04:04.48 | NoCode | I just set up exim/ dovecot with two users, but when sending it's using a username that I'd rather not post. I'd much rather use "postmaster@xxxx.com". is there anyway to configure it to do so? I can send a message to postmaster@xxxx.com and it'll show up, I can also reply to that EMail and it will use postmaster@xxxx.com. |
| 04:05.19 | Ragav | jmcnaught: Yeah tried removing quiet. It does not stall anywhere. It just completes full boot process and screen goes blank. |
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| 04:07.05 | NoCode | I'm trying to figure out where the configuration file would be to handle that information. Maybe I can just remove all the entries exceptt postmaster@xxxx.com. |
| 04:07.39 | jml2 | NoCode, which daemon are you trying to configure? |
| 04:08.28 | jmcnaught | Ragav: not sure what an N2800 board is, some sort of intel atom single board computer? this wiki page has some other things you can try like booting into the rescue.target or enabling the debug-shell: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Debugging |
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| 04:09.26 | NoCode | jmcnaught, dovecot-imapd |
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| 04:11.08 | jml2 | NoCode, make sure the email aliases file is being used by both |
| 04:11.38 | jmcnaught | NoCode: wrong person? also i'm not sure i understand your problem. you want to be able to access the "postmaster@example.com" mailbox by logging in as "postmaster@example.com"? |
| 04:11.58 | jml2 | NoCode, also ther is an email setting for user accounts -- you can look into that as well |
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| 04:12.35 | jml2 | thinks /etc/aliases |
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| 04:13.39 | prussian | probably should use virtual users |
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| 04:13.44 | prussian | for flexibility |
| 04:14.27 | NoCode | jml2, aliases there indeed |
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| 04:15.52 | jml2 | NoCode, if you're sending it from system users, try setting an email in the user account setting of the system |
| 04:16.40 | Ragav | mcnaught: systemd.log_target=kmsg systemd.log_level=debug will add this and try to get more info |
| 04:17.19 | markybob | Strife89: fyi, i've been watching a youtube video for 14 minutes. 84C. still okay. |
| 04:17.56 | jml2 | NoCode, i think i did a workaround -- not sure what the setting is exactly -- long time ago |
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| 04:18.33 | jml2 | NoCode, but it sounds like an exim issue |
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| 04:24.48 | NoCode | Trying to figure out how to add user info atm. :D |
| 04:25.47 | jml2 | NoCode, exim is harder to configure than dovecot |
| 04:26.06 | jml2 | NoCode, there's alternatives to exim if that interests you |
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| 04:28.32 | NoCode | Well, I've found exim to be the easiest. This tutorial I've been following has worked out well, it is quite current but it lacks a few things. So I'm trying to egg-on the publisher to help me out a little. But it's working out okayish. I'm just trying to figure out as you mentioned, to add user info. I remember seeing the page when I set the user. |
| 04:28.51 | NoCode | Postfix was a pain in the arse for me and never had success at all. |
| 04:29.04 | jmcnaught | markybob: that seems a little hot for youtube. is that with flash? |
| 04:29.21 | NoCode | This is the closest to success I've ever had. |
| 04:29.59 | markybob | jmcnaught: no. it's basically the cheapest laptop i could buy, though. $100. total pos. |
| 04:30.45 | jmcnaught | markybob: ahh makes sense. i always buy them used, off-lease thinkpads are a great value and run debian really well |
| 04:31.14 | markybob | jmcnaught: i know. i wish i had a couple hundred. i'd love a thinkpad |
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| 04:32.53 | jmcnaught | NoCode: personally I love Postfix, but with exim4 on Debian there's an extensive README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/exim4-config (or maybe -common) that has a lot of information |
| 04:33.24 | markybob | i'm a postfix guy myself. i use it to relay with google for your domain and it's great |
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| 04:34.24 | jmcnaught | yeah i do sorta what markybob does for my PC and most servers, configure postfix as a null-client that relays to my mail server (which also runs postfix) |
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| 04:36.09 | NoCode | I still need to figure out the postmaster stuff, setting SPF(though, I've set it but I've ran into problems with that so I'll go back to it soon), then see about spamassassin. I tried setting up greylistd and fro mwhat I was following it didn't work out so I purged that. |
| 04:37.04 | NoCode | I have TLS configured with certificates also but I need to figure out how to configure it with letsencrypt |
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| 04:37.27 | NoCode | I think it should be relatively easy. Then that way I have signed certificates instead of self-signed certificates. |
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| 04:38.54 | markybob | NoCode: they have a pretty good irc channel in #letsencrypt |
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| 04:39.15 | jmcnaught | NoCode: what most people do is use /etc/aliases (as suggested above) to have messages for postmaster forwarded to another mailbox (like the sysadmin's). For SPF do you mean the records for your server, or verifying SPF for incoming messages? |
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| 04:41.03 | jml2 | NoCode, you are the only one who knows whether you're using virtual users or system users, so you need to map postmaster accordingly to a particular account |
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| 04:41.43 | jml2 | NoCode, /etc/aliases is an optional (defacto) file used to map system users to mailing aliases -- but your daemon has to be configured to use it |
| 04:41.50 | NoCode | Oh right. I think I get it now. Maybe I'll just leave it like that. I was kinda looking up and trying to change it to something that would cause way more havoc. I'd probably have to adduser, and configure that user with a similar configuration. |
| 04:42.31 | NoCode | I'm using system user |
| 04:42.38 | NoCode | (not root) |
| 04:43.01 | jml2 | NoCode, machine users, so to speak or "virtual users", you have to configure your system to whichever way you're using |
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| 04:43.56 | NoCode | Cool |
| 04:44.18 | jml2 | NoCode, you don't know the basics |
| 04:44.24 | jml2 | NoCode, :) |
| 04:44.38 | jml2 | NoCode, you might still have postmaster mapped to root, which is the default |
| 04:45.14 | markybob | jml2: no need for that. i could say that about you quite often |
| 04:46.03 | jml2 | markybob, take it for positive reinforcement. If you take criticism in negative connotation don't bother to trying to insult me. :) |
| 04:46.08 | jml2 | markybob, otherwise help. |
| 04:46.51 | markybob | to be honest i'm not sure why i haven't put you on /ignore yet. i guess it's time |
| 04:46.58 | jml2 | markybob, then do. |
| 04:47.24 | jml2 | thanks. |
| 04:47.31 | jml2 | ignores markybob |
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| 04:48.14 | NoCode | I never took insult, you two settle down. :D |
| 04:48.30 | jml2 | NoCode, i know. He tends to troll a lot in here. |
| 04:49.00 | jml2 | NoCode, those are the basics for the mta's in general on debian -- but exim is very flexible |
| 04:49.24 | jml2 | NoCode, (takes more training to know which "sources" are being used in its configuration) -- there are "macros" to help setup exim , but here I avoid using them. |
| 04:49.40 | NoCode | nice |
| 04:49.41 | markybob | NoCode: it was nothing against you. he just pretends to know much more than he does. |
| 04:50.13 | jml2 | NoCode, i don't like using debian's macro system -- it's really meant to setup exim much easier, but it doesn't train you how exim can be fully configured |
| 04:51.06 | jml2 | NoCode, dpkg-reconfigure <exim> reconfigures exim using debian's own macro system |
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| 04:51.17 | jml2 | NoCode, <exim> being one of the exim package names |
| 04:51.19 | NoCode | I'm just happy that I am slowly on my way to have it configured the way I want it, it'll take a lot more time to figure out that's for darn sure. |
| 04:52.19 | NoCode | Also, SPF meaning verifying with my server so my emails are not marked as spam. |
| 04:52.37 | Rene | Hi all! What should i do so that Debian would keep new config-files when i doing upgprades? Now they get deleted after the *** etckeeper.conf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? prompt instead of being kept as dpkg-new-files⦠|
| 04:52.43 | jmcnaught | i think debconf is pretty handy, but agree that running a mail server requires a lot of reading to get a handle on the basics. reading rfc5321 is a good idea too |
| 04:53.56 | jmcnaught | Rene: take a look at the differences. it will keep a backup, or make a copy of the default it wants to install. also if you're using etckeepr you can review the git history |
| 04:54.53 | markybob | Rene: is this a VM? |
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| 04:57.03 | Rene | jmcnaught: i'm just 'simulating' an upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, and i would do the conffile-merge manually by hand. Now i just have one option: accept the change or discard the new file.. If i accept, then i loose my changes, if i dicard dhe change, i will loose the new conffiles.. |
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| 04:57.44 | markybob | Rene: that makes my question even more important. and did you read the release notes? |
| 04:58.17 | Rene | markybob: yes, it's a vm, a clone of my server |
| 04:58.35 | markybob | Rene: please tell me you did a snapshot |
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| 04:59.30 | jml2 | Rene, there's a param for dpkg somewhere for how much it should prompt for changes |
| 04:59.46 | jml2 | Rene, there's a config for it -- you might be able to trigger it with dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 04:59.53 | Rene | markybob: i have my original server running, and this is a snapshot-clone of it :-) |
| 05:00.13 | jml2 | Rene, don't mind him, i know there's a setting for this -- i do it on occassion |
| 05:00.21 | markybob | Rene: okay. did you read the release notes? |
| 05:01.45 | markybob | Rene: and may i see your sources.list? |
| 05:02.08 | Rene | markybob: i guess this does not read in the release-notes |
| 05:02.11 | jmcnaught | Rene: i generally pick my version ('N'), and end up the newer version proposed by dpkg with a .dpkg-dist extension |
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| 05:03.26 | jmcnaught | Rene: also since it looks like you're using etckeeper, it should all be in git |
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| 05:04.07 | Rene | markybob: http://pastebin.com/F4vyPUwt |
| 05:04.56 | markybob | Rene: yeah that's not right |
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| 05:05.27 | markybob | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 05:06.40 | jml2 | Rene, yw |
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| 05:07.40 | markybob | Rene: i can't even get dpkg to respond. but here https://paste.debian.net/686629/ |
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| 05:09.17 | Rene | markybob and jml2: i pasted from the wrong server: http://pastebin.com/F4vyPUwt |
| 05:09.38 | Rene | the sources.lust it's correct of course i the upgrade-server |
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| 05:10.56 | Rene | jmcnaught: ok, now i found the dpkg-dist file.. during the (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] promt the file was as dpkg-new.. |
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| 05:11.26 | Rene | and after the prompt that file dissapeared ;-) stupid of me :-) |
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| 05:12.21 | markybob | Rene: does this server have apache? |
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| 05:12.50 | NoCode | How do I man a section? man 5 doesn't work. O.o |
| 05:12.56 | NoCode | Not used to that. |
| 05:12.59 | NoCode | facepalms |
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| 05:14.33 | markybob | NoCode: :) |
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| 05:15.06 | NoCode | Seriously. lol. "man 5 aliases" does not show anything, and I feel embarrassed. |
| 05:15.53 | NoCode | "No manual entry for aliases in section 5" |
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| 05:16.06 | NoCode | "No manual entry for aliases in section 5" |
| 05:16.19 | NoCode | err |
| 05:16.30 | jmcnaught | NoCode: does "apropos aliases" list a man page in section 5? |
| 05:16.30 | markybob | right, because 5 is "Standards, Environment and Macros" |
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| 05:16.34 | NoCode | "# See man 5 aliases for format" |
| 05:17.03 | manik | Hello. I have just installed Debian, and upon first boot it asks for a long username and password, but I didn't add any user during installation |
| 05:17.15 | manik | Login* |
| 05:17.33 | NoCode | aliases (5) - Postfix local alias database format |
| 05:17.52 | jmcnaught | NoCode: for me it's the postfix package that provides this manpage, for exim4 it's the exim4-config package that does |
| 05:18.06 | NoCode | Don't need postfix anyway. |
| 05:18.12 | NoCode | for sure |
| 05:18.30 | jmcnaught | NoCode: "dpkg -S aliases.5.gz" |
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| 05:18.46 | manik | Anybody? |
| 05:19.00 | jmcnaught | manik: how did you install? |
| 05:19.15 | NoCode | man etc-aliases is also shown |
| 05:19.21 | manik | Debian graphic install, DVD |
| 05:19.22 | NoCode | I'll try that |
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| 05:19.56 | zq | hello. is this the right place to ask about the "live-boot" package? |
| 05:20.17 | jmcnaught | manik: did you add a root user? did you decline adding a user account during the install? which DVD ISO did you use (what is the URL you downloaded it from)? |
| 05:21.08 | manik | Jmcnaught: yes and yes. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.4.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 05:21.09 | jmcnaught | zq: sure. there's also a #debian-live on irc.oftc.net if nobody here has an answer |
| 05:21.33 | jmcnaught | manik: can you log in as root then? use the "adduser" command to add a new user |
| 05:21.51 | NoCode | "exim4-config: /usr/share/man/man5/etc-aliases.5.gz" is listed with that command. :) |
| 05:22.00 | NoCode | thanks |
| 05:22.07 | manik | Jmcnaught: Can't... |
| 05:22.11 | zq | okay. so i've debootstrapped myself a usb root part with the live-boot package installed, and appended "boot=live plainroot debug" to the kernel cmdline. |
| 05:22.23 | jmcnaught | manik: getting the password wrong? |
| 05:23.13 | zq | the system boots perfectly fine in qemu, but fails when boot on a physical system: "unable to mount /dev/sda1 to //filesystem: no such device" |
| 05:23.15 | manik | Wait, root worked |
| 05:23.22 | zq | meaning that it isn't able to detect /dev/sda1 in time |
| 05:23.33 | zq | meh i think i'll just hack the initramfs hooks |
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| 05:24.33 | manik | Jmcnaught: adduser completed. Thanks! |
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| 05:25.14 | jmcnaught | zq: i've never used live-boot, but maybe what was /dev/sda is now a different sdX? can you use an UUID instead? |
| 05:25.36 | zq | jmcnaught: no. i've tried it with a uuid too. |
| 05:26.08 | zq | jmcnaught: the thing is, a few lines below that "no such device" message, i see a syslog-esque line about "[sd]: sda sda1 sda2" |
| 05:26.25 | zq | so it's able to see sda1, so i think it's a temporal issue |
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| 05:26.44 | NoCode | um, wow. That was an easy fix. Now I am sending as postmaster. |
| 05:26.52 | NoCode | shakes his head |
| 05:27.00 | NoCode | pinches self |
| 05:27.02 | zq | it's just that the live-media-timeout param doesn't work when plainroot is selected |
| 05:27.11 | NoCode | Nope, definitely not dreaming. |
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| 05:28.48 | NoCode | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.27 | jmcnaught | NoCode: have you checked out /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz ? |
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| 05:39.23 | NoCode | jmcnaught, Not yet, will do so now. |
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| 05:39.42 | jmcnaught | NoCode: the Debian wiki also has a decent Exim FAQ |
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| 05:40.13 | cynicallemon | why does debian use exim still? |
| 05:40.35 | fireba11 | cynicallemon: yout got several options, exim is just the default |
| 05:40.59 | cynicallemon | fireba11, yes i know this but most default to postfix |
| 05:42.30 | zq | fuck yes |
| 05:42.32 | zq | i was right |
| 05:42.33 | themill | we should default to having no MTA at all |
| 05:42.40 | zq | it just needs a delay |
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| 05:45.04 | cynicallemon | themill, sooner or later you need an mta |
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| 05:46.07 | themill | not really and if it's a "sooner or later" then it doesn't need anything like postfix or exim; a dumb mailer (dma, nullmailer, ...) is all that is wanted |
| 05:46.56 | cynicallemon | well if you have a raid system mdadm will want postfix or an mta of some sort |
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| 05:47.36 | cynicallemon | agreed, it doesnt need to be an enterprise level mta |
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| 05:49.02 | themill | monitoring by waiting for mails from cron scales to about 3 hosts; beyond that you want something that is proactive, collates the information for you and you want all the emails to go away |
| 05:50.04 | cynicallemon | themill, i hate the word proactive lol |
| 05:50.40 | themill | proactive is an entirely sensible word (cf reactive); if you use incentivise then I might have to hurt you |
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| 05:52.16 | cynicallemon | haha, i will use it then |
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| 05:56.16 | Goddesspapa | themill not into incentivising synergies across the domain? |
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| 05:57.16 | cynicallemon | Goddesspapa, you're not one of those change management people are you? |
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| 06:00.00 | Goddesspapa | No, just a fan of dynamically enabling our human capital to value-add our growth engine |
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| 06:00.32 | m__ | Hey, I have removed MATE from Debian, but unable to install any other DE. |
| 06:00.36 | m__ | Was it a big mistake? |
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| 06:02.40 | m__ | can anybody suggets how ti install a DE now? |
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| 06:04.19 | zq | via apt? |
| 06:04.39 | m__ | doesn't work |
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| 06:05.26 | zq | what did you invoke? |
| 06:05.40 | cynicallemon | m__, explain " doesn't work" |
| 06:06.09 | zq | "i ran this `...` but got this output instead `...`" |
| 06:06.09 | m__ | Package manager asks for a CD, and apt-get isn't working after I uninstalled MATWE |
| 06:06.13 | m__ | MATE* |
| 06:06.28 | zq | define "apt-get isn't working" |
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| 06:06.54 | NoCode | Excellent. Fixed my EMail issue. Now I need to figure out SPF so Google authenticates my EMail better, without a "best guess record" |
| 06:07.56 | zq | m__: do you know how to use a terminal? |
| 06:07.56 | cynicallemon | m__, sounds like you need to comment out the CDROM line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:08.07 | m__ | zq: yep |
| 06:08.30 | zq | m__: so, apt-get install kde |
| 06:08.36 | zq | or gnome or whatever |
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| 06:09.24 | m__ | I tried but it asks to insert CD |
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| 06:09.38 | cynicallemon | m__, sounds like you need to comment out the CDROM line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:09.41 | m__ | I have a live USb drive though |
| 06:09.45 | Rene | markybob: Rene: does this server have apache |
| 06:10.05 | Rene | markybob: sorry to reply late. yes, it has apache |
| 06:10.42 | Rene | markybob: but that works great. I just was looking for wrong dpkg-conf-files |
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| 06:11.28 | cynicallemon | m__, what is in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 06:11.32 | mflow | Does anyone have any idea why do I see square boxex in window title's and app menus? |
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| 06:11.48 | mflow | after the latest debian testing update |
| 06:12.27 | m__ | cynicallemon: can't open soruces.list as no suitable app is there |
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| 06:12.39 | jmcnaught | Rene: there are some big changes in Apache going from wheezy to jessie (but they're covered in the release notes so you'll be fine) |
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| 06:13.19 | m__ | wait, opened it # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 DVD Binary-1 20160516-06:22]/ stretch contrib main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 DVD Binary-1 20160516-06:22]/ stretch contrib main deb http://debianmirror.nkn.in/debian/ stretch main contrib deb-src http://debianmirror.nkn.in/debian/ stretch main contrib deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security |
| 06:13.26 | m__ | cynicallemon: |
| 06:13.26 | leetcool | m_ just use vi if you want to edit that file |
| 06:13.41 | m__ | leetcool: opened it with Firefox |
| 06:13.45 | ragav | jmcnaught: posted lspci info http://pastebin.com/m4WG2Enk does this give any clue or way forward.scratching my head |
| 06:13.55 | leetcool | lol bro you can't edit from firefox |
| 06:14.06 | cynicallemon | lol |
| 06:14.16 | m__ | leetcool: yeah but at least it opened, what should I add |
| 06:14.18 | leetcool | use this command in terminal "vi /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 06:14.24 | ragav | Just want a simple GTK application to run after boot |
| 06:14.45 | fireba11 | cynicallemon: use smtpd if you just need the system to forward mails to the admin :-D |
| 06:15.22 | leetcool | ragav, goto gnome tweat tool & then startup applications .. it's the easiest way |
| 06:15.29 | m__ | leetcool: did |
| 06:16.01 | leetcool | m__, file must be open now, am i right? |
| 06:16.41 | m__ | leetcool: nah, it hasn't :[ |
| 06:16.55 | leetcool | any errors? |
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| 06:17.05 | m__ | I should have probably installed another DE first before removing MATE |
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| 06:17.14 | leetcool | lol |
| 06:17.23 | ragav | leetcool: that not my issue.. In my N2800 atom board after bootup process screen goes blank ..lspci info http://pastebin.com/m4WG2Enk..FInding ways to bring startx |
| 06:17.26 | leetcool | tell me your situation properly once |
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| 06:17.51 | jmcnaught | judd: pciid 8086:0be2 |
| 06:17.52 | judd | [8086:0be2] is 'Atom Processor D2xxx/N2xxx Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'gma500_gfx', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0be2 |
| 06:18.13 | jmcnaught | ragav: ahh, you've got one of those gma500/poulsbo GPUs |
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| 06:19.02 | cynicallemon | ragav, give up |
| 06:19.14 | leetcool | ragav, goto tty1 by ctrl + alt and f1 login there and connect to network & then install X n any display manager you want for X |
| 06:19.31 | leetcool | m__, please explain me ur problem |
| 06:19.41 | leetcool | oops |
| 06:20.20 | leetcool | ragav, can you enter tty1? |
| 06:21.10 | cynicallemon | m__, echo "deb http://debianmirror.nkn.in/debian/ stretch main contrib" > /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:21.28 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. I'm finally trying crontab. I think I can set something up, but first I would like some weirdness explained. Why would crontab send me an email? How does it even have my email address? I don't think I set up an email address for things like that to send to yet. Wouldn't it be better for the output to be sent to stout? |
| 06:21.52 | ragav | leetcool: even that does not come in my case. is there any way i can force vesa driver during boot.. jmcnaught, cynicallemon |
| 06:22.08 | jmcnaught | cynicallemon: they're gone. they're probably also an excellent candidate for running debian stable if they can't manage their sources.list on their own |
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| 06:22.34 | cynicallemon | jmcnaught, we all had to start somewhere i guess |
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| 06:23.28 | jmcnaught | ragav: you could try making an xorg.conf file to force VESA or fbdev. are you able to get a text login if you set the systemd.unit=multi-user.target in the boot parameters? |
| 06:23.57 | cynicallemon | ragav, i tried several things, some worked until some updates came along and it was back to the drawing board |
| 06:24.14 | deb | Lady_Aleena, you can add >/dev/null 2>&1 at the end of your crontab line or redirected to dev/null |
| 06:24.33 | jmcnaught | ragav: anything with a gma500 has been on my "do not acquire" list for a long time |
| 06:24.59 | leetcool | ragav, to choose the drivers i think you need to edit Xorg.conf |
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| 06:25.30 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: crontab is sending email with whatever MTA is installed on your system (probably exim4 delivering to a local user account) |
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| 06:26.11 | ragav | We have 3 sets of atom processors N270, Nm10 and this onr from debian 8 270 & NM 10 works.. this is a new board which i am trying and it screws |
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| 06:26.29 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: and as deb suggests, crontab sends you mail when there's output (so you can redirect that output elsewhere). Depending on the task, you might only want to redirect stdout, not stderr (nice to know when things fail) |
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| 06:26.47 | Rene | jmcnaught: ok, thanks for the Apache-hint :-)= |
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| 06:27.36 | leetcool | ragav, do you think if you're able to edit Xorg.conf to pick driver of your choice. It will be helpful ?? |
| 06:28.32 | Lady_Aleena | So, let's see if I write this correctly... |
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| 06:30.22 | Lady_Aleena | 0 4 1 * * up >stout # will run up at 4am on the first day of every month and sent the output to stout? Though will it know to open my preferred terminal program, or will it open another one? |
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| 06:30.30 | hmir_ | Hi! |
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| 06:30.44 | Lady_Aleena | s/sent/send/; |
| 06:30.46 | leetcool | hi hmir_ |
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| 06:31.25 | hmir_ | If I choose to not create a swap partition during OS install, and then when I boot into the OS for the firt time, and set swap on a swap file, or put on a ramdisk, will that be okay? |
| 06:31.33 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: "up >stout" redirects standard output to a file called "stout". if you want it to go to a black hole, send it to /dev/null |
| 06:31.34 | themill | Lady_Aleena: no terminal program will be involved |
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| 06:32.10 | DHowett | hmir_: putting swap on a ramdisk is a monumentally useless idea, seeing as the point of swap is to reduce the pressure on RAM, innit? |
| 06:32.14 | DHowett | hmir_: but yes |
| 06:32.18 | DHowett | hmir_: that would be fine -- setting up your own swap after install |
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| 06:32.46 | jmcnaught | hmir_: are you going to use zram? |
| 06:32.51 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught and themill, eek. I'd like to see the output when I come back to my computer later that day somewhere. |
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| 06:33.10 | themill | Lady_Aleena: you're saving the output to a file so you can look at it later |
| 06:33.15 | leetcool | hmir_, it will work. that's all i can say. In my case i'm running without swap |
| 06:33.27 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: or you can let it email you, that's the point of it sending an email |
| 06:33.30 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught and themill, so I can have the output to a file as I have it (just name it something else more semantic.) |
| 06:33.35 | hmir_ | jmcnaught: zram? |
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| 06:33.57 | themill | Lady_Aleena: you perhaps want to use >> not > so that the is not truncated every time it runs |
| 06:34.04 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, how do I set up the email? |
| 06:34.26 | deb | Lady_Aleena, maybe you want >/dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 06:34.32 | jmcnaught | hmir_: why do you want to put swap in a ram disk? https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/blockdev/zram.txt |
| 06:34.40 | DHowett | deb: but Lady_Aleena explicitly wants the output to look over later |
| 06:34.43 | Lady_Aleena | deb, isn't /dev/null nothing? |
| 06:34.45 | DHowett | deb: that would certainly not achieve that :P |
| 06:34.54 | deb | ahh, my bad |
| 06:35.01 | deb | i didnt read |
| 06:35.12 | Lady_Aleena | themill, so > will overwrite and >> will append? Correct? |
| 06:35.29 | themill | yep, same as normal |
| 06:35.38 | DHowett | huh, swap on a ramdisk isn't as monumentally useless as I was expecting. swap on zram |
| 06:35.51 | Lady_Aleena | themill, I haven't used either > or >> yet, so I don't know much about those symbols. |
| 06:36.32 | Lady_Aleena | I haven't done much of anything special at the command line other than curse at it sometimes. |
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| 06:38.19 | deb | > creates a file (overwrites if exist: example: :>new_file;ls new_file and >> adds something to that file, example: echo $(pwd) >> new_file; cat new_file |
| 06:38.20 | Lady_Aleena | And before I have "up" run; "up" is apt-get update, upgrade, and autodelete. The first of every month should be sufficient to keep my system up to date, or is it a bad idea all together? |
| 06:39.52 | deb | Lady_Aleena, :> is often used insted of 'touch new_file' |
| 06:40.41 | hmir_ | jmcnaught: To move it off the SSD. |
| 06:41.05 | Lady_Aleena | 0 4 1 * * up >>update # Good enough? |
| 06:41.50 | DHowett | hmir_: how much RAM do you have? |
| 06:42.10 | hmir_ | 8GB, DHowett. I will also decrease the swappiness value. |
| 06:42.11 | jmcnaught | hmir_: swap is for when you don't have enough RAM, the computer uses storage space to extend it. Using RAM as the backup RAM doesn't make a lot of sense, but if you use ZRAM you can get some bonus RAM (because of compression, which uses CPU) |
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| 06:42.35 | DHowett | hmir_: you'll probably be alright going without swap for some time. you can feel out how it performs and where the memory pressure is first |
| 06:42.44 | Lady_Aleena | Um, do I want the file written to /tmp/crontab.Kod4hu/crontab? |
| 06:42.44 | deb | Lady_Aleena, crontab starts with a 'clean shell', that means there is no 'env' in it, you have to include full paths to the script and in the script define any env variables you plan to use, if not the script it not gone work. |
| 06:42.47 | DHowett | i don't think i've run a system with swap in some years |
| 06:42.57 | hmir_ | jmcnaught: You're right, actually, my real plan it to move /var to ramdisk. |
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| 06:43.06 | Lady_Aleena | deb, "up" is in my .bash_aliases file. |
| 06:43.12 | jmcnaught | hmir_: also i'd consider looking up the endurance for your SSD. it's fairly new it's probably rated for way more writes per day than swap is going to use |
| 06:43.19 | DHowett | Lady_Aleena: crontab will likely not source that :( |
| 06:43.23 | jmcnaught | hmir_: oh, don't do that. /var should be persistent |
| 06:43.33 | Lady_Aleena | face palms. |
| 06:43.43 | DHowett | ah yeah, /var should. /var/tmp and /tmp can be transient though. as well as, iirc, all of /run? |
| 06:43.44 | hmir_ | I thought it wasn't meant to be persistent across boots? Or I misread? |
| 06:43.48 | DHowett | but /run is by default though |
| 06:44.04 | DHowett | hmir_: nah, /var is persistent data. /var/lib/{mysql,postgres}, /var/www/htdocs (for apache), etc. |
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| 06:44.15 | jmcnaught | hmir_: the place you read that was wrong or not relevant to debian |
| 06:44.23 | DHowett | apt/dpkg keep their source/package/install info there as well |
| 06:44.40 | Lady_Aleena | I canceled out of it. Looks like crontab and I aren't going to get along if it won't see my aliases in my .bash_alias file. |
| 06:44.53 | deb | Lady_Aleena, you need $HOME/up ...you can make a crontab with the command * 1 * * * env>/tmp/tmpenv , wait into it runs and cat that file to see what env varables are exported to your script. |
| 06:45.33 | Lady_Aleena | deb, I don't feel like writing a special file for an alias. |
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| 06:46.22 | hmir_ | okay, with later versionf of buntu, fstrim is scheduled weekly for all drives that support trim by default. Is the same true for debian> |
| 06:46.53 | deb | Lady_Aleena, well, you need to know what is provided by cron and add whatever you may need in your script, after you know what you need, erase that env cronjob |
| 06:47.41 | Lady_Aleena | deb, I don't understand why crontab won't see an alias which is loaded when .bash_aliases is loaded. |
| 06:47.43 | deb | Lady_Aleena, your crontab have to have /path/to/your/script to run |
| 06:48.24 | deb | Lady_Aleena, because crob starts a job in a clean enviroment <-- xD |
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| 06:49.03 | jmcnaught | hmir_: https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization shows how to set up fstrim. you might not even need to use it if your SSD is overprovisioned and/or you leave unallocated space |
| 06:49.17 | DHowett | Lady_Aleena: so bash_aliases and its friends are all for your personal use. now crontab, crontab acts on behalf of you but it's not personally you |
| 06:49.21 | DHowett | er cron* does |
| 06:49.29 | Lady_Aleena | deb, so crontab unloads my .bashrc and .bash_aliases when it run? |
| 06:49.31 | DHowett | and cron doesn't need to be cluttered with all your personal minutiae |
| 06:49.40 | Lady_Aleena | s/run/runs/; |
| 06:49.40 | DHowett | it's not that it unloads them, it just.. never loads them. it starts in a clean room |
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| 06:50.04 | deb | Lady_Aleena, for testing see what env told you in your shell and what told you when you run it in cron, you will notice a huge diference xD |
| 06:50.05 | DHowett | your terminal starts clean too, and then the shell loads those things because it's an interactive session or a login session |
| 06:50.30 | zq | halt |
| 06:52.00 | Lady_Aleena | head desks. |
| 06:52.44 | hmir_ | jmcnaught: I have a 120GB drive, WAY mre than I need as an OS drive. I would be happy to leave 20GB unpartitioned. How much will that help me? |
| 06:53.06 | Lady_Aleena | So I would have to type the entire alias into crontab? sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade && sudo apt-get autoclean # That is if crontab is on the sudoers list, I guess. |
| 06:53.45 | deb | Lady_Aleena, you may concider adding source .bash_aliases in the begining of your script to load your aliases |
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| 06:53.58 | Lady_Aleena | deb, what script? |
| 06:54.01 | DHowett | Lady_Aleena: actually, there's probably an easier way.. so long as you don't care exactly what time of day it gets run |
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| 06:54.10 | deb | the up if it is a script |
| 06:54.18 | Lady_Aleena | DHowett, I was thinking about 4am on the first of every month. |
| 06:54.28 | jmcnaught | hmir_: i think 10GB would be plenty. you may also want to research your model, it could be that it's 128GB with 8GB unused for this exact reason. Also the linux kernel blacklists some models from using trim/discard |
| 06:54.34 | Lady_Aleena | deb, it isn't NOT a script, it is an alias in my .bash_aliases file. |
| 06:55.07 | DHowett | Lady_Aleena: if you put a script file in /etc/cron.monthly -- a whole script, doing everything you want -- it will run as root and once a month |
| 06:55.17 | deb | ahh, then your cron should have two commands command1;command2 like source .bash_aliases;up |
| 06:55.18 | DHowett | so no "sudo", and no aliases |
| 06:55.26 | DHowett | Lady_Aleena: mine seem to run at 5:52 AM |
| 06:55.35 | DHowett | but each system staggers them slightly differently so they don't conflict |
| 06:55.43 | hmir_ | jmcnaught: The link you posted talks about moving /var to ramdisk. "/var completely if supported (syncing once a day? avoids spin-ups and allows to save /var also to SSD)," |
| 06:56.19 | hmir_ | Although, it says persistent RAMDISK. |
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| 06:56.43 | hmir_ | So my guess it saves the ramdisk disk on shutdown, and loads it back from there on startup. |
| 06:57.01 | deb | Lady_Aleena, err: source /path/to/.bash_aliases |
| 06:57.05 | Lady_Aleena | DHowett, this is getting too complicated. I'm very lost now. You and deb are talking about a script, and there is NO script, just the alias in my .bash_aliases file. |
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| 06:57.20 | DHowett | sorry :) |
| 06:57.20 | themill | Lady_Aleena: you wouldn't use sudo in your crontab;you'd add it to root's crontab (or /etc/cron.*) |
| 06:57.32 | Lady_Aleena | alias up="sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade && sudo apt-get autoclean" |
| 06:57.35 | deb | Lady_Aleena, err: source /path/to/.bash_aliases;up <--that willbe your new crontab |
| 06:57.43 | jmcnaught | hmir_: yeah it links to instructions, but i wouldn't bother with that. research your SSD model, find out what kind of endurance it's rated for. |
| 06:57.46 | themill | Lady_Aleena: there are packages that already do this for you, might be worth looking at. |
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| 06:58.11 | DHowett | Lady_Aleena: a script is just a file containing commands. in your case, it would be apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade && apt-get autoclean. if you made a file called /etc/cron.monthly/install_updates and put all that in it, it would run it once a month at some unspecified (but out of the way) time |
| 06:58.19 | DHowett | er, SINCE* a script is ... |
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| 06:58.24 | DHowett | i didn't mean to get didactic :) |
| 06:58.43 | deb | ahh, there is no go in that liner, sudo and crontab are deathly enemies, you probably get arround that by explicity modify your /etc/sudo with NOPASSWD |
| 06:58.48 | deb | not recomended |
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| 06:59.41 | DHowett | Lady_Aleena: generally, things try to keep a clear separation between your things (your personal login, your interactive shell, etc.) and their things (system tasks, clean environments, etc.) |
| 06:59.42 | Lady_Aleena | DHowett, it is okay to be didactic in a technical forum, actually necessary. |
| 07:00.36 | Lady_Aleena | This is why a ONE user install of an OS would be GREAT! No differentiation between admin and user, since user IS admin. |
| 07:01.01 | DHowett | there might be some other junk you need in there: the first line will probably have to be #!/bin/bash (to tell the system how to execute it) and you'll need to make sure it is "executable" (chmod +x /etc/cron.monthly/install_updates) |
| 07:01.16 | DHowett | but that should do it and be cleaner/clearer than having it read your aliases |
| 07:01.24 | DHowett | and less prone to randomly failing due to that |
| 07:01.47 | DHowett | Lady_Aleena: alas, windows (9x era) tried that, and it was pretty hellish from a security perspective |
| 07:02.00 | DHowett | they've spent the better part of the past 20 years climbing *out* of that hole |
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| 07:02.24 | Lady_Aleena | themill, you mentioned there might be a program out there which will update/upgrade/autoclean for me regularly without me having to figure out crontab? |
| 07:03.00 | jmcnaught | hmir_: my SSD is rated for 80TB total bytes written, so i'd have to write 21 or so GB per day to the SSD to reach that in 10 years |
| 07:03.24 | deb | Lady_Aleena, to get arround that problem you should either use a program or go to the twight-light zone by modify /etc/sudoers file with the NOPASSWD flag to your user, then just forget about your uop alias and use: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade && sudo apt-get autoclean <-- in your crontab xD |
| 07:03.50 | DHowett | also, welcome to linux support channels, where you will get 8 slightly-different ways to achieve the same thing |
| 07:03.54 | DHowett | with different levels of complexity |
| 07:04.07 | hmir_ | jmcnaught: I've used a couple of SSD's before underwindows. Both conked out around the three year mark. |
| 07:04.22 | DHowett | deb: (I don't intend to say that you're wrong, but I think we're both overcomplicating this thing waaaay too much :P) |
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| 07:04.34 | hmir_ | jmcnaught: Definitelydid not even get close to the maximum number of writes on those drives. |
| 07:04.35 | Lady_Aleena | ACK, just tried apt-cache search upgrade, and got a mess of a list. |
| 07:04.49 | cynicallemon | i have a 40gb intel ssd, never used much but dying |
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| 07:05.39 | cynicallemon | ssd's in a N |
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| 07:06.04 | deb | Lady_Aleena, the reason "sudo" is and interactive command that prompts for a passwd, if you want to use sudo in a crontab and you are not there to type in your root passwd, you need to tell sudo to not ask you for passwd, that is done in /etc/sudoers file with the NOPASSWD flag in it. |
| 07:06.10 | deb | DHowett, heh |
| 07:06.27 | cynicallemon | ssd's in a NAS won't help much unless on a 10Gbit network |
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| 07:09.54 | Lady_Aleena | themill, Okay, I've found unattended-upgrades and upgrade-system. Are those the programs you were thinking of? |
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| 07:16.13 | Lady_Aleena | deb, DHowett, jmcnaught, and themill: Thanks for tying. It looks like it may be a while before I'm Linux savvy enough to grok all of this. |
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| 07:17.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | the question is, if automating upgrades is such a good idea as such |
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| 07:18.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe it is and I should try it |
| 07:18.52 | Lady_Aleena | CutMeOwnThroat, it would keep my system more up to date. I don't do it on a regular basis as it is. I was 4 months late to the party regarding Iceweasel being obsolete in favor of Firefox. |
| 07:19.12 | jmcnaught | i'm not so into the idea of automatic upgrades, but i don't manage very many systems either |
| 07:19.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, this is testing? |
| 07:19.34 | Lady_Aleena | CutMeOwnThroat, no, jessie. |
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| 07:20.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | jessie will never have firefox instead of iceweasel (except possibly via backports) ... it's stable |
| 07:20.35 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: going from iceweasel to firefox on jessie would have required some manual intervention anyways.. the mozilla.debian.net sources would need to have been updated |
| 07:20.47 | deb | Lady_Aleena, https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
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| 07:21.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, or the mozilla.debian.net stuff more likely than backports... but that's both not security updates |
| 07:21.53 | jmcnaught | i suppose if you have enough systems that automating upgrades is desired, you also would have monitoring in place that would (hopefully) catch problems |
| 07:22.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, the nameswitch is about the least important thing that could be upgraded |
| 07:23.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmcnaught, I think if you have a lot of systems, you'd definitely manually upgrade one or a couple of machines, watch them for 2 days and then pull the rest in after you see there are no problems |
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| 07:23.46 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I did the things I was told when the iceweasel line on my sources.list became a problem. |
| 07:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing like 1000 machines simultaneously not booting up to brighten your day |
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| 07:24.18 | Lady_Aleena | CutMeOwnThroat, that is the page I went to. |
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| 07:25.38 | Lady_Aleena | And automatically upgrading is the only thing I can think of to automate on my system. I don't have anything else which needs to run regularly. |
| 07:26.26 | Lady_Aleena | Unless you consider opening KMail more than once a month to download email (mostly spam) when I go to do the bills. |
| 07:27.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, backups |
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| 07:27.31 | Lady_Aleena | CutMeOwnThroat, I do that manually because I don't want to leave the USB drive plugged in permanently. |
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| 07:27.51 | Lady_Aleena | And also an alias in .bash_aliases |
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| 07:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and I do one unattended upgrade... the stupid flash plugin |
| 07:28.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | with 17 03 * * * /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 07:29.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and root has his own crontab... stuff to run as root can just run in root's crontab |
| 07:29.43 | Lady_Aleena | The flash plugin doesn't get upgraded when I do a regular upgrade? |
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| 07:30.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | the flash plugin package is a download-the-flash-plugin package |
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| 07:30.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | because debian is not allowed(?) to redistribute flash anymore |
| 07:30.43 | Lady_Aleena | I already installed the flash plugin. |
| 07:30.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or something like that, I forgot the details) |
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| 07:31.20 | NoCode | Trying to configure SPF so my server doesn't get flagged, I get permitted, but "best guess record" is still present in the header. Where else would I configure such options to have a solid pass through the spam folder? |
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| 07:31.53 | Lady_Aleena | moved to the back seat. |
| 07:32.15 | jmcnaught | NoCode: how did you configure it? do you have a TXT record in the DNS? |
| 07:32.22 | NoCode | Yes |
| 07:32.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | so no, it's not updated because the package just has the downloader ... |
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| 07:33.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | or at least I think so... try it |
| 07:33.24 | NoCode | Followed specific Google apps header SPF so I figured that would be good enough for acceptance even though I'm not using their apps. |
| 07:33.37 | Lady_Aleena | CutMeOwnThroat, so I have to manually upgrade it? |
| 07:34.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems so |
| 07:34.05 | jmcnaught | NoCode: http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch9/spf.html also what did you put for the TXT record? |
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| 07:34.45 | Raagav | leetcool, jmcnaught, cynicallemon : sorry rusty connection. I am not worried about updates, all i need is runnable system. If you could share me the fixes that you have tried earlier it would be helpful. |
| 07:35.00 | Lady_Aleena | CutMeOwnThroat, do I need to use sudo for that as a normal user? |
| 07:35.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lady_Aleena, I haven't really thought much about it... I just added a cron-job when I repeatedly got warnings from the browser that the plugin is outdated and a browser-restart wouldn't fix this |
| 07:35.04 | Raagav | is there someway we can check chat archive |
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| 07:35.15 | jmcnaught | NoCode: mine is simple, "v=spf1 a mx -all" which means accept mail from servers with A and MX records for this domain name, reject all others |
| 07:35.16 | jakefb | Hi, I'm trying to install debian jessie on a raid 0 array and having problems, can anyone help? |
| 07:35.31 | Lady_Aleena | will tias. |
| 07:35.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lady_Aleena, don't use sudo in crontab, su to root, then edit root's crontab ... that's at least what I would do |
| 07:35.56 | Lady_Aleena | Looks like it required sudo when I'm a normal user. |
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| 07:36.09 | Lady_Aleena | CutMeOwnThroat, I was running it directly from the command line. |
| 07:36.27 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/OAaU <- patch for latest version of alsa-utils in debian stable |
| 07:36.31 | stoned | Enjoy folks. |
| 07:36.46 | NoCode | jmcnaught, I'll try that. |
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| 07:37.53 | jmcnaught | Raagav: there are instructions that are old, and something i'd rather not do available here: https://wiki.debian.org/IntelEmbeddedMediaGraphicsDriver. You might want to try and make these steps work with DKMS so the modules are rebuilt when kernel is upgraded: https://wiki.debian.org/KernelDKMS |
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| 07:38.25 | jmcnaught | NoCode: definitely read that link on SPF so you understand it, my SPF record is pretty general but it might not be what you want/need |
| 07:38.58 | stoned | alsamixer -D equal gives me: ALSA lib dlmisc.c:252:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_equal.so |
| 07:39.08 | jmcnaught | NoCode: for example instead of "-all" you might want "~all" for a softfail. You should also look into setting up DKIM signing |
| 07:39.30 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/AUZg <- this is my .asoundrc |
| 07:39.37 | jmcnaught | NoCode: /msg dpkg irclogs |
| 07:39.41 | stoned | eq used to work fine a few days ago, now it won't load |
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| 07:39.57 | jmcnaught | NoCode: sorry that was for Raagav :/ |
| 07:39.59 | NoCode | I just don't want to be flagged to the spam folder. Also don't want to cause havoc with unauthorized people accessing my server, and sending 1,000,000 emails out per day. ;) |
| 07:40.05 | NoCode | np |
| 07:40.36 | stoned | oh nm |
| 07:40.38 | stoned | I'm silly |
| 07:40.40 | jmcnaught | NoCode: you'll need to understand SPF and DKIM and SMTP in general if that's your goal. it's going to take some reading |
| 07:40.49 | stoned | Package: libasound2-plugin-equal (0.6-4) <- somehow got uninstalled |
| 07:40.51 | stoned | I wonder how/why |
| 07:40.58 | stoned | It's fine now. False alarm |
| 07:41.08 | stoned | But yeah, enjoy the alsamixer transparency patch |
| 07:41.10 | stoned | :) |
| 07:41.18 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a friendly and example full tutorial on crontab somewhere with detailed explanations of everything to do with it and maybe a list of prerequisite reading? |
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| 07:41.27 | cynicallemon | my atom board with that gma500 chipset runs fine... as a server. |
| 07:41.44 | jmcnaught | stoned: you could check the logs in /var/log/apt if you're curious why/when it was removed |
| 07:41.46 | Lady_Aleena | It seems I am not going to get crontab until I get a whole lot of other things first. |
| 07:42.01 | stoned | jmcnaught: yeah, just about to |
| 07:42.26 | jmcnaught | jakefb: tell us your problems, someone can probably help |
| 07:42.28 | NoCode | jmcnaught, A few hours earlier, I used this to configure DKIM: https://debian-administration.org/article/721/Validating_SPF_and_DKIM_at_SMTP-time_with_exim |
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| 07:43.14 | Lady_Aleena | There is no channel for cron here apparently. |
| 07:43.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lady_Aleena, you don't *have* to use crontab :) As you yourself said... there's pretty few things to automate... anyway, if you switch of the computer, it should be anachron, not regular cron, else all cron things that happen when the computer is off gets skipped |
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| 07:43.50 | jmcnaught | NoCode: that's for the incoming messages. If you're concerned about your outgoing messages not ending up in spam folders, you need to configure DKIM signing too |
| 07:43.54 | stoned | http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/How_to_stay_with_sysvinit_in_Debian_Jessie.html |
| 07:43.57 | jakefb | I have managed to install debian on the raid partition but it wont boot |
| 07:44.01 | stoned | I found this |
| 07:44.12 | stoned | Wrong channel! |
| 07:44.14 | stoned | Doh. |
| 07:44.14 | Lady_Aleena | CutMeOwnThroat, I only turn my computer off when I'm doing hardware maintenance or there is a power failure when my battery backup isn't working. |
| 07:44.18 | jakefb | should I have /boot on a separate partition? |
| 07:44.30 | NoCode | kk |
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| 07:44.40 | cynicallemon | jakefb, not really |
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| 07:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jakefb, it cannot hurt... |
| 07:45.02 | cynicallemon | jakefb, depends how you want to use it |
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| 07:45.12 | uniTosch | jakefb if you encrypt. |
| 07:45.19 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell jakefb about cross post |
| 07:45.30 | Lady_Aleena | Actually, I have to unplug my computer for it to turn off. Even shutdown -<something> now doesn't work. |
| 07:45.46 | jmcnaught | jakefb: you should either continue here, or on OFTC, but not both |
| 07:46.23 | jakefb | jmcnaught, ok sorry I wasn't sure which channel is used more |
| 07:46.33 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: what about "systemctl poweroff"? |
| 07:46.51 | jakefb | I will continue the question on OFTC |
| 07:47.15 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I could try it. |
| 07:47.50 | Lady_Aleena | Going to see if it works. |
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| 07:49.25 | babilen | ls |
| 07:49.30 | babilen | :) |
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| 07:50.51 | NoCode | jmcnaught, Should I use a separate key for outgoing too, or just the same hey I have for incoming? |
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| 07:51.11 | NoCode | Guess I'll just make separate. It'll be easier. |
| 07:52.02 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, systemctl poweroff turned my computer off, but it then powered back on without me touching anything. |
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| 07:53.30 | Lady_Aleena | My computer does not want to stay off. |
| 07:53.41 | jmcnaught | NoCode: sounds like you need to learn more about DKIM. For incoming validation, it checks the DNS records for the key for that selector/domain, then verifies that the signature on the message was made with that key. For outgoing, it signs the messages with the key that is in your domain's DKIM DNS record |
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| 07:54.40 | jmcnaught | NoCode: so you only have a key for the outgoing messages.. perhaps you did more than just the link you sent me. Honestly I think you need to spend some time reading about how all of this works and not just follow tutorials without understanding the concepts |
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| 07:59.58 | NoCode | Okay. |
| 08:00.57 | jmcnaught | NoCode: RFCs are great sources of information, and there are also decent wikipedia articles for introductory coverage of most of these topics |
| 08:00.58 | Raagav | jmcnaught : tried xforcevesa and xforcefbdev its of no use.. :( |
| 08:01.29 | Raagav | cynicallemon: for gma500 do use any special options now?? |
| 08:01.44 | jmcnaught | Raagav: have you at least gotten a text console to come up by booting into multi-user.target or rescue.target? |
| 08:02.43 | Raagav | Nope not with DEBIAN 8. |
| 08:03.21 | jmcnaught | Raagav: does it show any text at all while booting? did you try those targets? |
| 08:03.22 | cynicallemon | Raagav, not really because i dont run x on it |
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| 08:11.46 | Lady_Aleena | So, currently I have a computer which won't stay off no matter what command I use, and a keyboard which drops out every now and again for unknown reasons at the moment. I'm trying to find something in the syslog to explain the keyboard problem, but so far nothing is jumping out at me. |
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| 08:15.11 | Lady_Aleena | And how many times does my computer have to detect my USB hub and everything connected to it? Since I rebooted a few moments ago, it has relooked at the USB hub 4 times. Does the system reloaded the USB every so often? |
| 08:16.25 | Psychiatrist | Hey guys. Does anyone know if I can somehow detect finished downloads with QTransmission ? |
| 08:16.35 | Psychiatrist | I'd like to run a python script each time a download finishes |
| 08:16.57 | Lady_Aleena | From May 17 03:54:16 to May 17 04:15:01 it has "found" my USB 4-5 times. |
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| 08:17.36 | Lady_Aleena | s/USB/USB hub/; |
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| 08:18.23 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: sounds like a flaky USB hub or port or cable |
| 08:18.58 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, great, so get a new USB hub is the answer. It is so hard to find good ones. |
| 08:19.32 | Lady_Aleena | s/good/good and inexpensive/; |
| 08:20.28 | jmcnaught | Psychiatrist: transmission has a "call script when download is completed" option |
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| 08:21.51 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: it might not be the hub (but that would be my first guess). You could try and isolate it by swapping stuff around |
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| 08:22.24 | Lady_Aleena | Also, "shutdown -P now", "systemctl poweroff", and the option from KDE gui to shut down the computer all act as reboot. |
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| 08:23.14 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: something in your BIOS maybe for the reboot issue? |
| 08:23.16 | Lady_Aleena | Sorry, "shutdown -h now" |
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| 08:24.21 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I'll look into both after I get some sleep. |
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| 08:25.46 | aurelien | hi #debian |
| 08:26.31 | aurelien | I do not find the way to get network works on a xen domU (following the https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.virtualization.html#sect.xen) |
| 08:26.44 | Lady_Aleena | GUH! Less than a minute after I posted the latest time in my syslog, my system checked the USB hub AGAIN! This is why I can't stand looking at my syslog, there are too many instances of the same thing over and over and over and over and over again. |
| 08:26.50 | Raagav | jmcnaught: the last screen is see is standard HOT plug pci controller.. ACPI : warning system IO and some numbers |
| 08:27.07 | aurelien | it says to modify the /var/lib/lxc ... but it has not that folder nor the files after |
| 08:27.08 | Raagav | sorry my internet rusty today |
| 08:27.24 | Psychiatrist | jmcnaught, I know but QTransmission does not have that option |
| 08:28.08 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I'll leave you be for a while. I need sleep. Hopefully, you get some rest soon. Have a nice $daypart. |
| 08:28.20 | cynicallemon | Psychiatrist, transmission is the best imho |
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| 08:29.01 | jmcnaught | Raagav: well i probably can't help you get X working on it anyways, but you can probably at least get to text login by setting the target (you haven't answered if you've tried that yet) |
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| 08:30.20 | jmcnaught | Psychiatrist: you could just run transmission-gtk instead then since it does have the feature you want, or maybe use inotify |
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| 08:31.04 | Raagav | jmcnaught: For this i have to stop my gdm startup service is that correct. or is there any bootoptions available to do .. |
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| 08:32.09 | PaulePanter | Hi. I am unable to install `cmake` under Debian Stretch/testing with the security archives from Debian Jessie. |
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| 08:32.42 | PaulePanter | http://paste.debian.net/686817/ |
| 08:32.46 | jim | PaulePanter, I guess you can try building it |
| 08:32.57 | Psychiatrist | jmcnaught, Alright I'll see if I can switch back. I might as well check every 5 minutes if torrents have finished. Thanks for the help, I appreciate it! |
| 08:33.07 | CtrlC | !help |
| 08:33.11 | PaulePanter | jim: Sorry, what do you mean? |
| 08:33.15 | jmcnaught | Raagav: add systemd.unit=multi-user.target to the boot command line |
| 08:33.59 | jim | PaulePanter, all (or most) of the packages in debian come from source, and you can compile them and have them packaged. that's what I mena |
| 08:34.04 | jim | mean |
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| 08:34.40 | jim | PaulePanter, do you want to try doing that? |
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| 08:34.45 | jim | ,v cmake |
| 08:34.46 | judd | Package: cmake on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.2+dfsg.1-0+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.8.9-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.8.9-1; wheezy-backports: 2.8.11.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.0.2-1; sid: 3.5.2-1; stretch: 3.5.2-1 |
| 08:34.56 | jmcnaught | PaulePanter: you might have a missing source. it could also be that some packages are missing from stretch right now. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is the channel for stretch, they might have a better idea |
| 08:35.04 | cynicallemon | Psychiatrist, if you use tansmission you can get a script for that, i run mine that way |
| 08:35.05 | jim | wait, there is a cmake in stretch |
| 08:35.27 | Raagav | jmcnaught: systemd.unit=multi-user.target tried this earlier did not work |
| 08:36.11 | Iridos | jmcnaught, he's mixing... he even said it himself! |
| 08:36.18 | jim | PaulePanter, it would be good to check with them first |
| 08:36.38 | Iridos | judd, versions libarchive13 |
| 08:36.39 | judd | Package: libarchive13 on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 3.1.2-8~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.1.2-11; stretch: 3.1.2-11+b1; jessie-security: 3.1.2-11+deb8u1; sid: 3.1.2-11.1; experimental: 3.2.0-1 |
| 08:36.41 | aurelien | anyone use xen on jessie? |
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| 08:37.20 | PaulePanter | jim, jmcnaught, Iridos: Removing the security archive line for Debian 8 (Jessie) in `/etc/apt/sources.list` fixes the problem |
| 08:37.21 | jim | aurelien, I used kvm before |
| 08:37.23 | PaulePanter | . |
| 08:37.46 | Iridos | PaulePanter, a) don't use the security-updates for stable with testing, that doesn't make any sense b) use aptitude if you run into dependency problems... at the least, the error messages will be more telling |
| 08:37.57 | aurelien | jim, I try to set a dom0 and 2 domU, but the domU does not seems to have internet access |
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| 08:38.27 | aurelien | jim, I have followed the debian wiki about bridge connection ... open iptables rules ... |
| 08:38.32 | Iridos | â¦and aptitude will try to give you more than a single solution |
| 08:38.52 | aurelien | jim, but i can just ssh, but not apt-get update from the domU |
| 08:38.53 | jim | aurelien, it was a long time ago I used xen, maybe too long to have a complete ability |
| 08:39.08 | aurelien | jim oh ok ... well thanks to have tried! |
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| 08:39.22 | jim | so you're saying you got them running... that's a good start :) |
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| 08:39.30 | aurelien | yup :) |
| 08:39.54 | aurelien | but without network on the domU ... it is not very usuable |
| 08:40.24 | PaulePanter | Iridos: It does make sense, as stable gets security updates earlier, and the packege management system should be able to deal with that. Iâll test with Aptitude. |
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| 08:40.52 | jim | about kvm, I booted a debian netinstall image once, it booted and I could go thru the menus... I couldnt get storage for it though |
| 08:41.57 | jim | (but like in your case, it was a good start for me, I at least knew I could do virtualization) |
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| 08:42.32 | Iridos | PaulePanter, it doesn't make any sense, because the versions in stable are a lot older and apt will try to upgrade to the newest available version if pinning rules don't say something else... and even with pinning it's a bad idea because mixing gets more and more problematic the more the two repos diverge in age |
| 08:42.40 | aurelien | jim, you can modify that stuff in the /etc/xen/your-xen-machine.cfg |
| 08:43.09 | aurelien | jim, memory, cpu ... network ... |
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| 08:43.27 | PaulePanter | Iridos: Sorry, I donât agree. |
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| 08:43.44 | PaulePanter | Iridos: Thank you for the hint regarding Aptitude. The error message is indeed better: libarchive13 : Depends: libnettle4 (>= 2.3) which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package. |
| 08:43.57 | jim | It might be different stuff that's used, I'm not quite sure... but in any case, I booted the netinstall for real and installed a new jessie |
| 08:44.29 | Raagav | jmcnaught: No improvements still same resue.target ,multi-user.target |
| 08:44.52 | PaulePanter | Iridos: And Aptitude allows me to use a different solution, which installs libarchive13 from testing. So thanks a lot for the hint! |
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| 08:45.00 | jim | PaulePanter, you should probably pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:45.44 | Iridos | PaulePanter, aptitude has better dependency resolution, except in the cases where it doesnt :P |
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| 08:48.48 | uniTosch | PaulePanter mixing different Debian releases is not a good idea. |
| 08:49.17 | PaulePanter | jim: http://paste.debian.net/686820/ |
| 08:49.30 | uniTosch | It might work for testing and unstable, but stable is over a year apart from those. |
| 08:49.33 | PaulePanter | Iridos: Yeah, thatâs also my exprience. ;-) |
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| 08:50.18 | cpglsn-w | hi there |
| 08:50.21 | PaulePanter | uniTosch: Yes, and with good version numbers and dependencies, the package management system should be able to deal with that, shouldnât it? |
| 08:51.07 | uniTosch | PaulePanter: in our dreams. It will most likely create dependency hell. |
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| 08:52.01 | uniTosch | PaulePanter you will run into conflicts very soon and have packages that are Held back. |
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| 08:53.14 | Iridos | PaulePanter, the cases where it doesn't are mostly dist-upgrades from e.g. one stable to the next... when there are just so many dependencies to consider that it just doesn't get through |
| 08:53.16 | cpglsn-w | i'm having issue with phpmyadmin, it desn't let me import db (even 700kb file). it says: No data was received to import. Either no file name was submitted, or the file size exceeded the maximum size permitted by your PHP configuration |
| 08:55.16 | cpglsn-w | do you know how to fix that problem? |
| 08:55.30 | fireba11 | cpglsn-w: the default max upload in the php config is REALLY low .. just edit the defaults and restart your webserver |
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| 08:55.57 | cpglsn-w | my db is 700kb, it should be enough |
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| 08:57.39 | cpglsn-w | fireba11: even changing it, it doesn't change te result. Phpmyadmin don't even try to upload enything, it dump me in that error message |
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| 09:00.51 | fireba11 | cpglsn-w: there are several php modes possible, check if you actually changed the config that is used |
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| 09:01.29 | cpglsn-w | fireba11: even starting from scratch, installing a new debian 8...same problem |
| 09:02.00 | cpglsn-w | it seems to me some permission issue, but not sure permissions of what |
| 09:03.43 | fireba11 | cpglsn-w: anything in your webserver logfile? maybe php can't write the temp file |
| 09:04.40 | cpglsn-w | fireba11: nothing :( |
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| 09:06.01 | cpglsn-w | i'm using itk module, but it is just for vhost, it should not touch phpmyadmin |
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| 09:14.20 | cpglsn-w | fireba11: i just make tmp dir in php.ini file explicit and now works great |
| 09:14.23 | cpglsn-w | thank you |
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| 09:24.01 | aurelien | no way to get the network on the jessie domU ... hell I am missing something somewhere :-/ |
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| 09:25.25 | nikols | hello can sb help me find a shell command? |
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| 09:25.53 | nikols | im looking for a command which shows u the time of connection of a wlan |
| 09:26.19 | Brigo | nikols, sb? |
| 09:26.49 | nikols | somebody |
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| 09:27.43 | linedash | Hi folks. Doing a fresh debian 7 install here and for some reason ext4 isn't being presented as an option on partition creation - any suggestions on why this might occur? |
| 09:28.06 | linedash | Disks are 6x samsung enterprise ssd's in raid6 on an lsi 9265-8i raid card |
| 09:28.38 | linedash | I get btrfs/xfs/swap/physical volume for encryption/raid/lvm |
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| 09:30.36 | aurelien | nikols: wavemon give that type of information |
| 09:31.29 | Brigo | nikols, i think there is not such shell command: http://superuser.com/questions/617141/how-can-i-get-information-about-an-network-interface-uptime |
| 09:31.44 | Ad1 | hi! Is there any Software Center in Debian 8? |
| 09:31.58 | Brigo | Ad1, software center? |
| 09:32.07 | lucad111 | apt? :) |
| 09:32.30 | nikols | Brigo uptime would be neat :-( |
| 09:32.31 | frostschutz | linedash, sounds odd... you sure its not hidden behind a invisible scrollbar or something. but if it offers physical volume it's not lvm yet? xfs is a nice filesystem too ... ... ;) |
| 09:32.37 | aurelien | Brigo: command line no, but nikols wavemon give you that and more type of information on you wlan time: 3:40h |
| 09:32.58 | Brigo | Ad1, try gnome-packagekit. |
| 09:33.35 | Ad1 | Brigo: ok, i'll try :D |
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| 09:34.04 | nikols | i was looking for a shell command but thanks |
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| 09:35.13 | Ad1 | in Debian 7 and older was software-center package |
| 09:36.01 | Brigo | aurelien, where? i can't find it in wavemon display. |
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| 09:37.33 | linedash | frostschutz: doesn't appear to be, have tried grabbing a newer version - not had this problem w/ this pxe image in the past, but worth checking. As for xfs, etc - our block level backup doesn't run on it :) |
| 09:37.47 | linedash | that and standardisation to match the other nodes is needed |
| 09:37.58 | Ad1 | Brigo: well, I've got it installed, but I can't run it by any way |
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| 09:41.35 | nikols | where can i find syslog on ios? |
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| 09:42.41 | linedash | frostschutz: looks to be a bug in the version I was using, dl'd current image + reran and is fine, go figure |
| 09:42.59 | linedash | got back ext2/3/4/jfs/fat16+32, etc options that were missing also |
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| 09:43.11 | linedash | clearly I need more fat 16 in my life |
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| 09:43.43 | aurelien | Brigo: apt-cache search wavemon |
| 09:43.54 | aurelien | Brigo: apt-get install wavemon |
| 09:44.08 | aurelien | Brigo: wavemon (done) |
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| 09:44.29 | jim | hmm? |
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| 09:45.36 | jim | garn32, welcome... I didn't respond immediately because I was dealing with a potential issue elsewhere |
| 09:45.54 | jim | annnd... he's gone :/ |
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| 09:46.11 | aurelien | Brigo: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wavemon |
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| 09:46.44 | aurelien | well that does not solved my domU connection troubles hum hum hum |
| 09:46.50 | nikols | aurelien: i need it for ios |
| 09:47.08 | aurelien | nikols: debian ios hum hum |
| 09:47.16 | nikols | lol yh |
| 09:47.23 | aurelien | nikols: never heard of that one. |
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| 09:47.38 | leetcool | any way to get steam fully functional on debian? |
| 09:47.49 | cynicallemon | yeah |
| 09:47.54 | leetcool | how? |
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| 09:48.05 | cynicallemon | plenty of guides if you google |
| 09:48.17 | leetcool | i tried play on linux |
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| 09:48.19 | nikols | maybe there is a log file in unix where uptime is listed |
| 09:48.29 | leetcool | but it doesn't seems to work well |
| 09:48.37 | cynicallemon | pretty sure debian wiki covers it too |
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| 09:48.55 | leetcool | i'm not able to see anything in the steam store |
| 09:48.58 | Epakai | are we talking about windows steam or linux steam? |
| 09:49.14 | leetcool | and everytime i try to install a game i need to install steam again |
| 09:49.37 | leetcool | using play on linux => means windows executable |
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| 09:50.09 | leetcool | i tried to play open arena but wasn't satisfied with graphics |
| 09:50.12 | leetcool | :( |
| 09:50.29 | aurelien | you should try GNU Emacs, its a true playground arena for code gamers! |
| 09:50.37 | leetcool | and i have a fucking nvidia card 820 M 2 Gigs |
| 09:51.45 | leetcool | aurelien, i'm not looking for a text editor |
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| 09:51.58 | aurelien | leetcool: GNU Emacs is not a text editor |
| 09:52.15 | aurelien | leetcool: GNU Emacs is an Extensible text editor ;-) |
| 09:52.24 | leetcool | lol |
| 09:52.30 | leetcool | sounds same for me |
| 09:52.46 | leetcool | as i'm looking for solution for high end games on linux |
| 09:52.52 | viderizer | emacs is an operating system that lacks a proper editor, that's why we have a vim for emacs plugin |
| 09:53.07 | rysiek|pl | GNU Emacs is a decent operating system |
| 09:53.53 | leetcool | can anyone help me with some games on linux |
| 09:53.55 | leetcool | ? |
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| 09:54.04 | x-fak | hi |
| 09:54.18 | leetcool | hey x-fak |
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| 09:54.36 | x-fak | Can you explain why i dont have the "snort" package when i do this command apt-cache search snort? |
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| 09:55.09 | leetcool | may be because it's not in the repo which you're using in source.list |
| 09:55.24 | markybob | ,v snort |
| 09:55.25 | judd | Package: snort on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.5.2-8; wheezy: 2.9.2.2-3; sid: 2.9.7.0-5; stretch: 2.9.7.0-5 |
| 09:55.36 | markybob | sorry jessie, no snort for you! |
| 09:55.51 | aurelien | ,v judd |
| 09:55.52 | judd | No package named 'judd' was found in amd64. |
| 09:55.58 | leetcool | any high quality graphics games for debian? |
| 09:56.09 | aurelien | ,judd |
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| 09:57.07 | x-fak | my version report by lsb_release -a command: "Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.4 (jessie)" |
| 09:57.21 | markybob | x-fak: right. and like i said, it's not in jessie |
| 09:57.25 | leetcool | oops that's the prob |
| 09:57.32 | x-fak | hmmm |
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| 09:57.52 | viderizer | leetcool: what do you mean with high quality graphics games |
| 09:58.00 | subzero79 | I have snort listed in policy for jessie raspbian |
| 09:58.05 | x-fak | i got another server with "Description: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS" and i have the snort package avalaible |
| 09:58.12 | subzero79 | no idea why, |
| 09:58.13 | markybob | raspbian is not debian |
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| 09:58.16 | markybob | !raspbian |
| 09:58.16 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 09:58.24 | markybob | they do their own thing |
| 09:58.32 | viderizer | leetcool: valve's games using source engine work quite well on linux |
| 09:58.40 | leetcool | something like need for speed for linux |
| 09:58.45 | subzero79 | thanks for the clarification |
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| 09:58.51 | markybob | x-fak: yes. that's ubuntu. also not debian |
| 09:58.58 | x-fak | markybob , can i use the ubuntu package to install on debian? |
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| 09:59.10 | markybob | x-fak: if you want to break shit |
| 09:59.18 | x-fak | i dont |
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| 09:59.27 | x-fak | just wondering |
| 09:59.30 | markybob | !tell x-fak about dontbreakdebian |
| 09:59.43 | markybob | !tell x-fak about frankendebian |
| 10:00.27 | x-fak | :) |
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| 10:01.02 | subzero79 | x-fak, maybe try docker |
| 10:01.14 | unborn | guys is there any way to have file overwritten when some value in system is changed? aka via crontab.. I know how to generate file but somehow cannot figure out how to make it over write / replace old one |
| 10:01.22 | x-fak | markybob , the lack of jessie package is the responsability of the package author? |
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| 10:01.38 | x-fak | subzero79 , what is it? |
| 10:02.37 | markybob | x-fak: there was likely some big bug before jessie freeze so he had to pull it. after freeze no packages can be added so he couldn't add it if he wanted to |
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| 10:03.52 | markybob | x-fak: you cant even ssb it :/ |
| 10:03.55 | unborn | aha instead of >> I shall use just > |
| 10:04.01 | markybob | ,checkbackport snort |
| 10:04.02 | judd | Backporting package snort in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libdaq-dev. |
| 10:04.04 | x-fak | markybob , who is "he"? the package author? or some maintainer? |
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| 10:04.46 | markybob | Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña |
| 10:05.55 | x-fak | the person who maintains the security packages on debian? |
| 10:06.47 | x-fak | markybob , you use so many acronyms, what is ssb? |
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| 10:06.55 | markybob | !ssb |
| 10:06.55 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 10:07.03 | markybob | but that won't work for snort |
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| 10:07.38 | x-fak | !backport |
| 10:07.39 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 10:11.51 | pial | i have installed i3 tiling wm to check it out. i am using auto login in gdm with gnome3. so, how can I get back to gnome3 when I am in i3. there won't be any login window. I don't want to turn off auto login for this purpose. |
| 10:13.19 | bogus- | simply logout gnome? |
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| 10:15.19 | pial | bogus, no I asked how to get back from i3 to gnome |
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| 10:24.20 | floogy | Hi, I got an error on upgrading squueze-lts to wheezy. On debian-security-support a hook returns error code 256 |
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| 10:25.17 | floogy | https://bpaste.net/show/3ccc46aea5fc |
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| 10:26.27 | floogy | dpkg: error executing hook 'if [ -x /usr/share/debian-security-support/check-support-status.hook ] ; then /usr/share/debian-security-support/check-support-status.hook ; fi', exit code 256 |
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| 10:38.54 | floogy | Hm, after an bash -x /usr/share/debian-security-support/check-support-status.hook and exec /usr/share/debconf/frontend /usr/share/debian-security-support/check-support-status.hook ; echo $? |
| 10:39.15 | floogy | and apt-get update && apt-get-upgrade |
| 10:40.16 | floogy | everything just updated fine to wheezy. I already tried before several times apt-get update |
| 10:40.47 | floogy | with no luck. anyway. Now I got my wheezy ;) |
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| 10:47.21 | leetcool | got my steam working |
| 10:47.35 | leetcool | now downloading tactical intervention |
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| 11:36.49 | zZap-X | where is a good place to put: export TERM=xterm-256color so its system-wide global ? |
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| 11:50.33 | Murdoc | what driver do i need for this: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Venus XTX [Radeon HD 8890M / R9 M275X] (rev 81) |
| 11:51.04 | Murdoc | i installed fglrx, but when i run aticonfig --initial and restart it fails to boot |
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| 12:10.45 | Holy | hi |
| 12:10.52 | Holy | æäººä¸ |
| 12:10.53 | Habitual | hello yourself |
| 12:11.04 | hippiebyte | Yo yo |
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| 12:13.15 | Murdoc | guys? |
| 12:13.17 | Murdoc | what driver do i need for this: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Venus XTX [Radeon HD 8890M / R9 M275X] (rev 81) |
| 12:13.19 | Murdoc | i installed fglrx, but when i run aticonfig --initial and restart it fails to boot |
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| 12:14.44 | Iridos | do you have any idea where I could find some documenation on /proc/self/mountstats |
| 12:14.53 | Iridos | so far I've looked at the mountstats source |
| 12:16.00 | Iridos | I'd like to figure out what (from mountstats --nfs /mountpt ) exactly the entries VFS requested 0 dentry revalidations and VFS called nfs_permission() 0 times do/are |
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| 12:17.18 | Iridos | well, and actually pretty much everything in that file |
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| 12:18.35 | Iridos | Murdoc, use lspci -nn to get an id number like [xxxx:xxxx] |
| 12:19.16 | Murdoc | [1002:6820] |
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| 12:19.38 | damdotio | hi, who's up to compile our own chromium fork with no forced google integration (freely install chrome extensions from a bigger whitelist or our own chrome extensions server) ? |
| 12:19.44 | Iridos | judd, pciid 1002:6820 |
| 12:19.45 | judd | [1002:6820] is 'Venus XTX [Radeon HD 8890M / R9 M275X/M375X]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6820 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 12:23.27 | Iridos | urgh. and grepping through kernel code, the folloing files contain "mountstats": ./Documentation/filesystems/pohmelfs/info.txt ./include/linux/mnt_namespace.h ./fs/proc_namespace.c ./fs/proc/base.c |
| 12:23.35 | Iridos | none of them seem to detail what it contains |
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| 12:25.44 | Iridos | damdotio, you can install any extension from disk anyway, no? |
| 12:26.52 | damdotio | Iridos: yes, but even downloading them is a bit tiresome |
| 12:27.07 | Iridos | how many hundred extensions do you need |
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| 12:27.33 | damdotio | Iridos: are you joking ? You want to be able to try easily new extensions |
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| 12:28.35 | damdotio | Iridos: + there's no download link on the web store. I really think we should have our own or an alternative one in the future, free of chrome surveillance |
| 12:29.13 | damdotio | Iridos: that's the biggest and easier malware target these days (extensions) and we have no control |
| 12:31.54 | Rene | argh.. Upgrading from zqueeze to wheezy i get this after running dist-upgrade: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'perl'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 12:32.19 | Rene | running apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0 gives the same error.. |
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| 12:34.32 | Iridos | dpkg, squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:34.32 | dpkg | Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
| 12:34.42 | Iridos | dpkg, squeeze->wheezy failures |
| 12:34.43 | dpkg | Try: (a) upgrade in 2 steps: apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade (b) apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0 (c) add squeeze back into sources.list; apt-get update; try again. (d) apt-get install apt; try again (e) apt-get install badpackage; try again (f) apt-get remove badpackage; apt-get install badpackage; try again (g) dpkg -r --force-depends badpackage; apt-get -f install; try again. |
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| 12:37.41 | damdotio | Iridos: neverminds, just realized I was looking more for something like Brave Browser |
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| 13:45.11 | halt | Hi all, I have the issue desc here https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-systemd-maintainers/2014-September/003601.html systemd error when the /var/run is a symlink to a tmpfs, but the solution is not in the ticket, also I can't find the /run in fstab not sure what mounts it |
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| 13:45.23 | halt | anyone run into the same issue ? |
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| 13:51.48 | Iridos | halt, you want to look at the full bug at bugs.debian.org/761076 ... and I may have seen that over a year ago |
| 13:51.49 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/761076 in systemd (closed): «systemd: Fails to start when /var/run is mounted as tmpfs»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-09-10; last modified: 2014-10-09. |
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| 13:52.30 | Iridos | anyway, that is fixed for ages...? |
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| 13:54.02 | Iridos | I can use ps ewww to see the environment of each process at the end of the line. I want to use -o %cpu,ruser,... to get specific values that I want - can I combine that in some way with ewww to still get the environment? |
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| 13:54.37 | Iridos | something like ps ewww -eo %cpu,ruser,vsz,rsz,sess,comm ignores the ewww |
| 13:54.49 | Iridos | and there seems to be no "environment" format string |
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| 13:57.04 | Iridos | oh, got it: ps -eo %cpu,ruser,vsz,rsz,sess,comm,args e |
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| 14:04.20 | halt | Iridos: it was claimed to be "simply a local misconfiguration" but not sure what's wrong, or how can I fix it |
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| 14:11.42 | Iridos | halt, well you have to either search for it yourself or describe your system more clearly. Is this still a wheezy system? what are /run and /var/run ? |
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| 14:12.45 | Iridos | mmh. and can one actually put some custom string in front of the "args", so I see where that bit starts? |
| 14:13.49 | Iridos | or alternately not have spaces but _ in the format that can have spaces, so one can parse columns |
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| 14:14.57 | Iridos | mmh. perhaps I can ask somewhere else |
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| 14:19.42 | halt | no it's already jessie, but I can't find the tmpfs mounts in fstab, so not sure where it's coming from |
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| 14:20.55 | fred1807 | can I set static config for a specific wifi network/ssid on dhcpd.conf ? |
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| 14:26.32 | FinalX | Hi - does anyone know of a bug tracker specifically for APT? I just mailed the e-mail address that was set at the package maintainer, but perhaps someone can point me to the "right place" for it. It's not Debian-specific :) |
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| 14:27.17 | FinalX | (it's with apt in stretch+, and in Ubuntu 16.04+) |
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| 14:30.41 | DotHack | who knows a command that lists all the groups a user is member of with a separator? |
| 14:31.15 | DotHack | ¨groups¨ does this with space as separator, thus groups with a space in the name (windows) are not parsed right |
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| 14:33.02 | FinalX | DotHack: perhaps you could parse the output of "id" or just grep from /etc/group? |
| 14:33.09 | Sir_Designer | DotHack id |
| 14:33.32 | |_[O_O]_| | morning gents - ridiculous question for you. Does Grub2 expose facilities to ingest a grub-legacy menu.lst and generate a corresponding grub.cfg? |
| 14:33.47 | DotHack | FinalX: Sir_Designer thnx! |
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| 14:38.28 | RichiH | is there a sane way to tag packages with information as to why they were installed? |
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| 14:40.01 | FinalX | RichiH: not really, if you mean like a comment of "I installed this because..."; if you mean "why" as in dependencies etc, you can use rdepends for that |
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| 14:43.25 | jelly | RichiH: some kind of local user tags? That's an interesting and useful idea |
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| 14:45.08 | jelly | RichiH: ask on oftc, I'm interested as well ;-) |
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| 15:34.40 | leetcool | need some help |
| 15:35.02 | warsoul | !ask |
| 15:35.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:36.36 | leetcool | today i installed steam for linux, and configured my account and downloaded a game (free one) tactical Intervention 3 Gigs but when i run it from steam it opens a new window with title "Game Name - OpenGL" and then it goes off. |
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| 15:39.23 | leetcool | no one to help? |
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| 15:41.28 | ruied | Hello |
| 15:41.34 | leetcool | ruied, hi |
| 15:42.20 | mtn | leetcool: do you need better video card/driver? |
| 15:43.34 | leetcool | mtn, i'm not sure please help me out with this. |
| 15:44.21 | leetcool | i have intel i7 as my proc. 12 Gigs of RAM & 2Gigs of Nvidia Geforce 820M |
| 15:44.43 | mtn | leetcool: which driver for your nvidia? |
| 15:46.06 | ruied | I'm planning to install Linux in a HP ML310. I'm planning the following: Onboard SD Card with "/boot" and 2x1B HD with RAID+LVM and than 3 LV with SWAP /VAR and "/". The plann is to boot kernel from SD and having the tw HD's working in RAID independently. But, as sdcard's dies fast with ext4, I'm planning ext2 for the /boot. What do you think of this configuration? |
| 15:46.42 | ruied | as /boot is the only partition with ext2 is there any risk of file corruption in case of power failure? |
| 15:46.44 | leetcool | i din't installed any driver externally, I just installed Kali Sana. n loaded steam on it. where can i check my nvidia driver on system. mtn |
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| 15:46.58 | markybob | ruied: ext2 is default for /boot anyway |
| 15:46.58 | mtn | !kali |
| 15:46.59 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 15:47.09 | mtn | leetcool: kali is not supported here |
| 15:47.42 | ruied | markybob, Do you think that config is safe? |
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| 15:48.12 | leetcool | since it is based on debian i seek help to get my nvidia working |
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| 15:48.33 | mtn | leetcool: not supported in this channel. go to the kali channel. thank you |
| 15:48.33 | markybob | ruied: i don't get why you want to use an sdcard but to each his own. your raid data will be safe so it doesn't much matter really |
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| 15:48.49 | markybob | leetcool: we cant help you |
| 15:50.16 | ruied | markybob, because in software raid I'll have just one disk that is booting, in case of that disk failure, the second could not be properly set so grub start with the correct disk (second raid disk) |
| 15:51.01 | markybob | ruied: software. i see. makes more sense |
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| 15:55.00 | ruied | markybob, I can also make with a larger ssd all the system except /var where I'll have virtual machines with proxmox. Since /var is out of the ssd do you think if I put all the system (except /var ) in sdcard with ext2 (and raid in2x1TBHDD with ext4) the Linux system will not likely be corrupted. |
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| 15:56.58 | markybob | i'd put as little as possible on the sdcard. leave it as just /boot and be happy. |
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| 15:57.54 | markybob | ruied: and for future reference proxmox isn't supported here |
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| 15:58.09 | ruied | If the files of /boot are not being writed there is no chance of get corrupted in case of power failure, correct? |
| 15:59.24 | ruied | markybob, yes, I have mentioned proxmox but it wasn't needed, it was just to explain better what I was planning to do... |
| 15:59.52 | markybob | ruied: weird things can happen in a power surge, etc, so yeah it can get corrupted |
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| 16:01.15 | markybob | ruied: i wouldn't much care. fixing /boot and grub is trivial |
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| 16:01.46 | ruied | markybob, but if the ext2 file is not being writed at that time, the chances of corruption /system hang, waiting for a fix is almost the same as ext4 correct? |
| 16:02.16 | markybob | ruied: right |
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| 16:05.11 | ruied | markybob, Ok. Now I think I can go on with the plann. Scard with /boot and the rest is all in one software ride with LVM partitions. Easy to fix /boot and a complete raid working no mater the hard disk fail it will always boot the raid. |
| 16:05.12 | ruied | Thanks |
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| 16:07.40 | ruied | sdcard, easy fix in case of failure. Raid allways working in case of one HD failure. Main concern was the problems that I had with ext2 (all the system) some years ago that stoped the booting waiting or a fix in case of power failure. |
| 16:07.42 | ruied | Thanks |
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| 16:25.06 | swag12 | Hi guys. Does anybody know why the jessie backports kernel get updated so rarely? |
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| 16:27.13 | petn-randall | swag12: 4.5 looks quite recent to me. 4.6 was released just two days ago. |
| 16:27.16 | acu | swag12, I do not use at the moment backports - but if the Kernel is almost the latest one - like 4.5 |
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| 16:27.46 | swag12 | petn-randall. It is, but the minor version is at .1 and the latest minor version is .4 |
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| 16:27.59 | mtn | oh dear |
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| 16:28.38 | acu | since we are at this topic - can I install debian with the backport kernel right from the begining ? I want to use btrfs |
| 16:29.33 | petn-randall | swag12: 4.5.4 has just reached sid, and the general rule is that nothing in -backports can be more current than the software in release+1 (in this case testing). |
| 16:29.39 | jelly | acu: you'd need an installer image that boots into said kernel if it's required for mounting or writing to that filesystem |
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| 16:30.18 | jelly | there's no such image AFAIK |
| 16:31.45 | petn-randall | kmuto.jp used to have stable install images with backports kernels, but Kenshi hasn't done that since wheezy, IIRC. |
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| 16:32.38 | acu | jelly -thanks - I want / need either zfs or btrfs, tried btrfs back in the days... but is so much touted as the thing, and zfs is not in the kernel (since it has different licensing) |
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| 16:33.09 | acu | yes, kenji mutto was a godsent many years ago |
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| 16:33.40 | Nedly | Hi I am Nedly and I am looking for possible theories on why I might be getting 404'd using aptitude on a port 80, I can ping the IP and I have pgp, I tried allowing in IPtables port 80 but still I get 404.. |
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| 16:34.00 | markybob | acu: what's the problem if btrfs fits your requirement? jessie installer supports it |
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| 16:34.41 | markybob | Nedly: post your sources.list to paste.debian.net |
| 16:35.36 | Nedly | I know I probably get barked at for this but I am on a system that is not specifically debian, I am actually on ParrotSec, which is like Kali Linux, I came here because I have had no luck finding help with other sources.. |
| 16:35.41 | jml2 | Nedly, nice name |
| 16:35.52 | jml2 | Nedly, sounds like "flanders" boy from the simpsons |
| 16:35.53 | markybob | Nedly: yeah then we can't help you |
| 16:35.54 | jml2 | Nedly, :) |
| 16:35.54 | acu | markybob: I know, however btrfs stability and features are tightly embeded in kernel, and it seem that 4.2 or onward would be the way to go, otherwise, yes for playing around, perhaps Jessie is good |
| 16:36.16 | markybob | acu: so install then get 4.5 from jessie-backports |
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| 16:36.27 | Nedly | jml2: ty I like my name too |
| 16:36.36 | Nedly | markybob: I am just looking for theories |
| 16:36.59 | jml2 | Nedly, you mean you have coming-in traffic from port 80 permitted? |
| 16:37.05 | markybob | Nedly: you probably fucked up sources.list. but we don't know what yours should look like so we can't help there |
| 16:37.32 | markybob | Nedly: why don't you ask your distro's support channel? |
| 16:38.02 | Nedly | I have not touched the sources list, this problem is really coming out of no where. I have reached out to the page for parrotsec and their responses have been very delayed, and I could not find much for other support channels |
| 16:38.03 | acu | markybob: that is what I am going to do, however, first I have to install debian with 3.16 then add the backports and upgrade - I would have like a clean install |
| 16:38.11 | Nedly | I ran iptables to allow port 80 in and out |
| 16:38.21 | Nedly | I think I did it right, I iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 16:38.41 | markybob | acu: you're upgrading just the kernel. you don't upgrade to all jessie-backports packages. it's pretty clean |
| 16:38.48 | jml2 | Nedly, what about for port 53? |
| 16:39.15 | Nedly | I have not tried any other ports, I am a cis/iss student so I am using this as an alternative for kali to do school work, I am still new to iptables |
| 16:39.21 | markybob | acu: and if you don't want that you can compile your own kernel |
| 16:39.27 | jml2 | Nedly, you need a way to use dns |
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| 16:39.37 | jml2 | Nedly, that uses port 53 (udp) by convention |
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| 16:39.48 | acu | markybob: yeah - I wish I was that Genius :) |
| 16:39.54 | acu | thanks though |
| 16:39.56 | thirax | hi! |
| 16:40.00 | Nedly | so should I open in my iptables that port 53? |
| 16:40.12 | jml2 | Nedly, well how else is your dns going to work? |
| 16:40.31 | jml2 | Nedly, same rule you gave but use udp port 53 |
| 16:40.38 | jml2 | Nedly, and for input as well |
| 16:40.44 | markybob | acu it's really not hard if you follow the guide. look at 4.5 and 4.6 http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-building |
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| 16:41.17 | NoCode | Hey, quick Q: How do I update my exim4 conf file? "sudo update-exim4.conf" does not update anything. |
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| 16:41.59 | jml2 | Nedly, is this supposed to be a workstation computer or mostly used as a server? |
| 16:42.13 | petn-randall | NoCode: Update it to/for what? |
| 16:42.19 | markybob | NoCode: that's a conf file. it won't run. |
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| 16:42.55 | Nedly | ok I opened up port 53 with udp with same problem.. |
| 16:43.01 | NoCode | https://debian-administration.org/article/718/DKIM-signing_outgoing_mail_with_exim4 |
| 16:43.07 | markybob | NoCode: you change it by doing nano -w update-exim4.conf if that's the file you want to change. |
| 16:43.10 | jml2 | NoCode, you'll have to see the manpage, depending on how you want a monolithic or split setup of the conf files there's two update script files |
| 16:43.45 | markybob | NoCode: if you want to rerun the guide to first configured it do sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:43.52 | jml2 | NoCode, as I was explaining yesterday, these update*conf scripts use debian macros |
| 16:44.16 | jml2 | NoCode, the final output is for the exim daemon which reads a monolithic configuration somewhere from /var -- which is the "real" final configuration.. |
| 16:44.17 | Nedly | jml2: I tried adding the modification for udp on 53 and I get same errors.. |
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| 16:44.38 | jml2 | NoCode, debian is supposed to make it easier to use its exim macro script system |
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| 16:45.08 | acu | markybob: thanks for the link, actually it is not that scary :) easier though would be to install jessie and backport the kernel - I guess is more tested and properly integrated |
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| 16:45.32 | markybob | acu: yes i'd use jessie-backports for this |
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| 16:48.13 | Nedly | jml2: this is a workstation, I only ran into this trying to install kdenlive for a video production project, I can install some stuff, it is not aptitude in general, it is only the repos for parrot frontends from what I can tell, or something like that.. |
| 16:48.48 | Nedly | jml2: so right now it is like I can only install partial packages, when I connect to this one specific repo on port 80 I get 404 |
| 16:49.42 | jml2 | Nedly, you tried apt-get update? |
| 16:50.06 | Nedly | jml2 I am going to try to touch into some other repos to see if there is any difference.. Yes I tried update and even tried getting the pgp keys again.. also tried apt-get -f |
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| 16:50.45 | DrCooper | Hello! |
| 16:50.54 | Nedly | jml2 it is really weird, I get basically no problems running update, but once I try to install kdenlive I get 404 |
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| 16:51.22 | DrCooper | Looking for some help with setting up RDP :) |
| 16:51.25 | Nedly | jml2 it is all hit ign get when I run update.. |
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| 16:52.18 | Nedly | jml2 I noticed an error at the end regarding repos that were on the CD |
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| 16:53.37 | Nedly | jml2 if we can't figure it out is ok! I just thought I would stop in see if anyone had suggestions. Right now my machine works I just cant install much.. |
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| 16:54.19 | acu | Nedly: disable your firewall |
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| 16:55.00 | DrCooper | I'm currently using xrdp to remotely access my Linux box using the sesman-vnc module but it connects to a new session rather than loggin into the existing one. |
| 16:55.34 | acu | DrCooper - because there is a session :0 or whatever :1 - that tells where you connect |
| 16:55.57 | acu | !firewall |
| 16:55.57 | dpkg | A firewall is a boundary - usually a computer or network appliance - between your private network and the Internet. A firewall cannot protect the computer it is running on. Ask me about <iptables>. See also <arno-iptables-firewall>, <ferm>, <firehol>. |
| 16:56.18 | acu | !iptables |
| 16:56.19 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables or ask me about <iptables-restore>. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>. |
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| 16:56.40 | DrCooper | So how can I tell it to connect to the default 0 session |
| 16:56.45 | Nedly | acu been working on that! my next target is the system wide proxy.. |
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| 16:57.26 | jelly | ,v zfs-tools |
| 16:57.27 | judd | No package named 'zfs-tools' was found in amd64. |
| 16:57.34 | DrCooper | I also tried installing x11rdp to use that instead of the default vnc4viewer but no success there either |
| 16:57.41 | acu | Nedly: it seem you enjoy suffering :) - disable the iptables - let it open - install your program if it works is that - if not = something else |
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| 16:58.00 | jml2 | DrCooper, rdp is ms |
| 16:58.09 | DrCooper | Yes, ik |
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| 16:58.18 | jml2 | DrCooper, here i rather use x2goserver |
| 16:58.36 | acu | DrCooper: what client you use ? tighvnc ? |
| 16:58.50 | DrCooper | xrdp with vnc4viewer currently |
| 16:58.53 | jml2 | Nedly, you're likely not using iptables correctly |
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| 16:58.54 | acu | all of them allows you to specifiy (a lot forces you to choose one) |
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| 16:59.00 | DrCooper | And use the default RDC in Windows to connect |
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| 16:59.41 | jml2 | Nedly, for workstations you really just need 1 iptable rule, that is-> iptables -I INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 16:59.49 | jelly | ,v zfsutils-linux |
| 16:59.50 | judd | Package: zfsutils-linux on amd64 -- sid/contrib: 0.6.5.6-2 |
| 16:59.59 | jml2 | Nedly, and keep OUTPUT as "ACCEPT" --> iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT, iptables -P INPUT DROP |
| 17:00.14 | jelly | soon to come to a jessie-backports report near you, maybe |
| 17:00.20 | jelly | repo* |
| 17:00.52 | jml2 | Nedly, actually you need 1 more rule for localhost -> iptables -A INPUT -s 127/8 -d 127/8 -j ACCEPT -- some kde apps need to call back to localhost |
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| 17:01.52 | jml2 | ,v iptables-persistent |
| 17:01.53 | judd | Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.0.20100801; wheezy: 0.5.7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; sid: 1.0.4; stretch: 1.0.4 |
| 17:02.03 | Nedly | jml2 TY! I am new to iptables they are probably broken let me try some of this |
| 17:02.09 | jml2 | Nedly, I use iptables-persitent, and "iptables-save >/etc/iptables/rules.v4" |
| 17:02.20 | DrCooper | I would like to use the RDP protocol if possible |
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| 17:02.34 | jml2 | DrCooper, iirc the x2go client supports multiple protocols |
| 17:02.43 | jml2 | DrCooper, if you're not happy with x2go |
| 17:02.52 | jml2 | DrCooper, (x2go is really NX v3) |
| 17:03.09 | DrCooper | I'm checking it out currently |
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| 17:05.26 | Bae | honestly. whats the best production friendly way to jail an application so that the only directories it can access are specified directories ? |
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| 17:06.59 | zuzzas_ | Bae, chroot with bind mount. |
| 17:07.14 | jelly | Bae: what does "production friendly" mean? |
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| 17:07.51 | Bae | jelly, something that can be trusted to work without fail when deployed |
| 17:08.01 | Bae | zuzzas_, will look into it, thanks |
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| 17:11.51 | hmir | I have a wifi dongle plugged in via usb and it works fine. What I'm trying to do is get allt he info I can about it, but doing lsusb and lshw doesn't give me too much information about it. The builtin wifi card for example, in lshw shows me its chipset, but not for the wifi usb dongle. How can I get more details about the dongle? |
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| 17:12.19 | DrCooper | The size of x2goclient is 53MiB o.O |
| 17:13.15 | hmir | Strange, i got that information doing lshw -short. |
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| 17:14.46 | hmir | Ah, actually I did not. |
| 17:14.47 | DrCooper | I would rather like to use the RDP protocol so that I can access it from built-in Windows RDC client. |
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| 17:15.11 | DrCooper | xrdp is somewhat doing the job but it opens up a new session |
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| 17:15.45 | jml2 | DrCooper, x2go client is avail crossplatform (lin,mac,win) |
| 17:16.17 | DrCooper | Yes, but I would have to DL it on any machine I want to connect from |
| 17:16.21 | jml2 | DrCooper, you using rdc to a vbox application or a physical machine? |
| 17:16.30 | DrCooper | Physical |
| 17:16.39 | jml2 | DrCooper, well that's shameful :) |
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| 17:18.33 | jml2 | eats more kraft cheese without rdp |
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| 17:24.58 | DrCooper | I'm looking for other RDP options. X2Go won't work for me because it has a heavy client for connecting |
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| 17:28.13 | jml2 | DrCooper, rdp makes sense for connecting to "Windows", but i rather choose something that makes more sense connecting to linux machines.. |
| 17:28.39 | jml2 | DrCooper, fwiw, there's also an android app, but i never checked it out |
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| 17:29.14 | jml2 | DrCooper, there's live-scalabiity -- you can change resolutions dynamically -- there's also audio support --- and a web-proxy option to do sessions via the "web browser" |
| 17:29.32 | jml2 | DrCooper, if you're interested on the "http" module, that can be an interesting project for you |
| 17:29.44 | jml2 | DrCooper, i never did it, but it's zero install of any x2go client |
| 17:30.33 | jml2 | DrCooper, unless i am wrong and a browser plugin needs to be used... i think i saw html5 support somewhere.. but it was awhile ago |
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| 17:38.42 | DrCooper | w00t! I did it with xrdp + x11vnc |
| 17:39.10 | DrCooper | I can use the default RDC client in Windows to access the linux box |
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| 17:39.32 | DrCooper | or with any other VNC viewer like TightVNC |
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| 17:39.57 | pocimaci | re |
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| 17:41.32 | jml2 | DrCooper, you're doofing with freedom when you use MS proprietary protocols over free ones.. just me saying.. |
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| 17:42.33 | DrCooper | Actually, it's VNC underneath ;) |
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| 17:46.16 | erm3nda | DrCooper, u can use xrdp, see http://networkstatic.net/xrdp-an-easy-remote-desktop-setup-for-your-ubuntu-servers/ |
| 17:46.43 | erm3nda | anyway, use always a ssh tunnel to connect any remote desktop service, or even better, always. |
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| 17:47.03 | DrCooper | I'm using xrdp |
| 17:47.11 | DrCooper | with x11vnc |
| 17:47.13 | erm3nda | most of vnc clients allow to tunnel connectinos |
| 17:47.30 | erm3nda | I use tighvncserver |
| 17:47.49 | erm3nda | using vncviewer -via root@server :) |
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| 17:48.05 | erm3nda | no passwd, and --localhost listening, secure |
| 17:48.09 | pocimaci | good bye |
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| 17:49.06 | erm3nda | of course tried both you say, xrdp and x11vnc, also vnc4server |
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| 18:24.47 | FFM | hi guys |
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| 18:25.02 | FFM | i am kind a new in linux |
| 18:25.19 | FFM | can eneyone tell me where can i find the software center in debian |
| 18:25.24 | FFM | with gnome interface |
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| 18:25.29 | FFM | i like it so much |
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| 18:25.37 | FFM | it is very cool gnome 3 |
| 18:25.53 | FFM | :) |
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| 18:28.00 | mtn | FFM: you can find and install applications using the package manager, synaptic |
| 18:28.41 | FFM | and this one i supose it must installed from the terminal |
| 18:28.46 | FFM | ? |
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| 18:29.14 | mtn | FFM: might already be installed. did you look in the menu? |
| 18:29.15 | markybob | it's installed by default on gnome |
| 18:29.29 | FFM | it is very cool |
| 18:29.34 | FFM | and friendly |
| 18:29.39 | FFM | this interface |
| 18:29.50 | FFM | and i want to learn to code |
| 18:29.58 | FFM | i want to start with python |
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| 18:30.09 | FFM | it's for beginners |
| 18:30.24 | FFM | and i want a interpreter for gnome |
| 18:30.41 | FFM | and that's why i need software center |
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| 18:30.52 | markybob | ffm join #python then. off topic for here. also there is #debian-offtopic if you don't have support questions |
| 18:31.44 | FFM | ok |
| 18:31.48 | NoCode | when it says "mail._domainkey.domain.com" is _domainkey" the name of the key? Or do I write *_domainkey* in the TXT record? O.o |
| 18:31.51 | FFM | thanks mate |
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| 18:40.29 | debidi | If i have 2 nested screen sessions, don't suppose there is a way I can issue commands to the inner one? |
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| 18:41.14 | phy1729 | ctrl-a a if memory serves |
| 18:42.36 | debidi | phy1729: yes indeed! |
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| 18:46.40 | zh1 | Debian 9? |
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| 18:47.33 | TomTomTosch | zh1: nein? |
| 18:47.40 | markybob | zh1: what about it? you need to ask full questions |
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| 18:48.10 | zh1 | markybob, will it come out soon? |
| 18:48.25 | markybob | zh1: spring 2017. |
| 18:48.31 | zh1 | omg |
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| 19:10.14 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.30 | strk | does it sound ? |
| 19:10.40 | strk | in a 6.0.10 |
| 19:10.46 | strk | (debian squeeze) |
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| 19:15.25 | TomTomTosch | strk: so you are trying to install git from squeeze-backports? |
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| 19:16.36 | strk | from http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main, looks like |
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| 19:17.01 | strk | backports is not enabled, maybe I should |
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| 19:18.38 | jmcnaught | strk: why not upgrade to wheezy? |
| 19:18.45 | TomTomTosch | that version, 1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1 is from backports. you need to install git-svn and git both from backports or both from squeeze main. |
| 19:19.15 | TomTomTosch | so you must have installed it earlier from backports. |
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| 19:46.50 | pampeho | hi |
| 19:47.56 | pampeho | i'm trying to boot Debian live medium on an USB stick on a HP 250 G4 notebook |
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| 19:48.44 | pampeho | the moment i boot the device - i instantly become moved to GRUB command prompt |
| 19:49.45 | markybob | pampeho: that's pretty new, right? 2015 from what i see. it probably is using uefi which live doesn't support. |
| 19:50.10 | pampeho | augh |
| 19:50.15 | markybob | pampeho: you need to use the real/proper installer |
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| 19:51.25 | markybob | pampeho: if you want firmware use this installer (it has a good amount of them included) http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:52.07 | markybob | pampeho: and make sure you not using secure boot. even the proper installer doesn't support that. uefi is okay though. |
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| 19:58.37 | pampeho | markybob: yeah, i disabled the secure boot |
| 19:58.56 | pampeho | markybob: the installer you're linking is network installer, it installs debian through the internet, right? |
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| 19:59.12 | markybob | pampeho: yes |
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| 20:01.56 | pampeho | tanks |
| 20:01.58 | pampeho | thanks* |
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| 20:12.14 | Doyle | Hey. Sometimes when launching a docker container I get get a container that's not functioning properly on the port, with this in the syslogs. 'systemd-udevd[14028]: timeout '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ec2net.hotplug''. What would cause this? Debian Jessie. |
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| 20:25.16 | pampeho | There was a proble reading data from the CD-ROM. Please make sure it is on the drive. |
| 20:25.35 | pampeho | eergh |
| 20:25.49 | jmcnaught | Doyle: is the host running Debian, or the container? Where is that file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ec2net.hotplug? and where did that directory come from (it's not really used on Debian). |
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| 20:27.18 | jmcnaught | pampeho: is this a Debian installer disk? Is it burned to a CD-R, or copied to a USB? If USB, how did you copy? |
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| 20:42.29 | Doyle | jmcnaught, good q's. The host is debian jessie. That log entry is from the host. The container logs indicate nothing wrong. |
| 20:42.39 | Doyle | This happens maybe one of 3 or 4 launches. |
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| 20:43.32 | Doyle | Writing rule: Stick to either the alpha or numerical of numbers within a sentence, and paragraph if possible... |
| 20:43.53 | Doyle | I broke the rule just there and it bothers me. |
| 20:44.59 | markybob | Doyle: you know what improper grammar means. /ignore ;) |
| 20:46.27 | Doyle | lol |
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| 20:48.28 | TomTomTosch | markybob's ignore list takes up more space than his porn collection :P |
| 20:48.39 | jmcnaught | Doyle: so you don't know where that /etc/sysconfig directory came from? My guess is the docker packages if you're using the upstream repositories. You should consider asking in #docker |
| 20:48.50 | markybob | heh :) |
| 20:49.59 | jmcnaught | Doyle: it looks to me like it's some sort of AWS related networking script, if you don't need this you could probably also disable it |
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| 20:53.53 | Doyle | jmcnaught, ah, the /etc/sysconfig dir is local to the host |
| 20:54.44 | Doyle | it comes in with 2 other log entries. |
| 20:54.44 | Doyle | systemd-udevd[14030]: timeout '/lib/systemd/systemd-sysctl --prefix=/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/veth4d016cb --prefix=/proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh/veth4d016cb --prefix=/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/veth4d016cb --prefix=/proc/sys/net/ipv6/neigh/veth4d016cb' |
| 20:54.45 | Doyle | systemd-udevd[14031]: timeout '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ec2net.hotplug' |
| 20:54.45 | Doyle | systemd-udevd[14031]: timeout 'net.agent' |
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| 20:55.01 | jmcnaught | Doyle: okay but where did it come from. On Debian as far as I can tell it only exists in the rhn-client-tools and rhnsd packages. Also please use http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 20:55.30 | Doyle | ah, that's what you mean by where did it come from |
| 20:56.17 | jmcnaught | Doyle: Are you sure the host is Debian? Or did that /etc/sysconfig directory get created by the upstream Docker packages? |
| 20:56.20 | Doyle | I suspect it comes default with debian jessie instances launched from aws |
| 20:56.42 | pampeho | jmcnaught: it's burned to a USB device using `dd` utillity |
| 20:56.47 | Doyle | Linux ip-10-0-23-198 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:56.49 | jmcnaught | Doyle: "dpkg -S /etc/sysconfig" |
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| 20:57.13 | Doyle | no path found matching patern /etc/sysconfig |
| 20:57.14 | jmcnaught | pampeho: did you copy it to the device or a partition on the device? also you can simply use cp instead of dd |
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| 20:58.33 | jmcnaught | Doyle: okay so the files don't come from a package. You probably have a systemd link or network unit that is trying to run this script, maybe you should ask AWS support about it |
| 20:58.45 | pampeho | jmcnaught: i have copied it to /dev/sde, which was the device as whole |
| 20:58.59 | jmcnaught | Doyle: it's not a standard part of Debian so people here won't know about it. |
| 20:59.59 | jmcnaught | pampeho: and you used that firmware netinst image that markybob linked to earlier, or some other image? Do you have a different USB stick you could use? |
| 21:00.26 | Doyle | jmcnaught, I've always wondered if the AMIs on AWS from debian are built in collaboration with AWS, or if AWS does them, or if Debian does them alone. |
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| 21:01.40 | jmcnaught | Doyle: it would be Amazon taking a copy of Debian and modifying it to work on their platform. The AWS support docs probably at least mention this file and what it's for, how to troubleshoot it |
| 21:02.00 | Doyle | Cool. thanks jmcnaught |
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| 21:08.08 | pampeho | jmcnaught: i used what markybob linked |
| 21:08.19 | pampeho | jmcnaught: i do have another USB stick |
| 21:10.34 | jmcnaught | pampeho: trying another USB stick and/or verifying the download are what i would try next |
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| 21:17.05 | markybob | pampeho: you did sync after, right? |
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| 21:23.18 | pampeho | markybob: i didn't |
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| 21:23.48 | markybob | pampeho: that can also cause problems. just fyi. |
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| 21:26.30 | kion | I am trying to generate a big file > 1Gb for hash testing purposes, I thought that cat /dev/random > File.txt would do, but I creates a very small file, any ideas why I am wrong? |
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| 21:27.43 | markybob | kion: dd if=/dev/zero of=output.dat bs=24M count=1 |
| 21:27.55 | markybob | kion: change bs to whatever size you want |
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| 21:28.31 | kion | markybob, Thank you so much! just to learn, I thought that /dev/random was a continous stream of random bytes, am I wrong? |
| 21:29.13 | markybob | kion: no you're right |
| 21:29.39 | jmcnaught | kion: you might want to use /dev/urandom instead. "man urandom" to see the difference |
| 21:29.44 | markybob | kion: you can use random or urandom or zero or whatever |
| 21:30.52 | TomTomTosch | with /dev/random you will have to mash your keyboard pretty long to get 1GB of data :3 |
| 21:31.13 | kion | jmcnaught, Thanks |
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| 21:55.04 | MoonGNatRouth | advice me stupid simple way to setup VPN, please |
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| 21:57.46 | teraflops | MoonGNatRouth: ssh tunnelling? |
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| 21:58.35 | MoonGNatRouth | teraflops: hm... I think it's what I want |
| 21:59.15 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | are you just trying to access resources within your home network from afar? |
| 21:59.35 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | do you want web resources or other network resources? |
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| 22:02.55 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | MoonGNatRouth: because http://blog.trackets.com/2014/05/17/ssh-tunnel-local-and-remote-port-forwarding-explained-with-examples.html |
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| 22:05.33 | UnknownFO | So when I launch VLC player, the volume is always at 0%... How can I stop this? |
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| 22:10.34 | MoonGNatRouth | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: hm... no, tunneling is not what I want. I just need to join two or more hosts in one network. |
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| 22:15.31 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | MoonGNatRouth: Host-to-host or subnet-to-subnet? |
| 22:16.12 | MoonGNatRouth | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: I think Host-to-host will be enough |
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| 22:16.40 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | So you want to be able to access any port on host1 from host2 across the 'net without exposing ports on host1? |
| 22:17.16 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | Or do you want to be able to access multiple hosts on subnet1 from any given host on subnet2 (across the 'net) |
| 22:17.24 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | because http://www.softether.org/ will easily let you do either |
| 22:19.26 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | MoonGNatRouth, http://www.softether.org/#LAN_to_LAN_Bridge |
| 22:20.20 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | it's much easier (imho) to set up than openvpn et. al. |
| 22:20.23 | kion | Is there an easy way to set a server on Amazon EBS? apparently the have Ubuntu machines but I cant see Debian on the list to start a server? |
| 22:20.47 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | kion: afaik aws has debian servers |
| 22:20.57 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | kion: disclaimer: i may be very wrong |
| 22:21.07 | kion | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud, afaik? |
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| 22:22.04 | MoonGNatRouth | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: oh my god. I can't think anymore. i need to sleep. thx for links, I'll read them tomorrow. |
| 22:22.13 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | Good luck |
| 22:22.16 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | kion: https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B00AA27RK4 |
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| 22:23.52 | kion | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud, awesome thanks so much, never going back to Ubuntu! |
| 22:24.13 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | kion: good call |
| 22:24.24 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | kion: and you're so welcome :3 |
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| 22:45.07 | MrHatter | I am considering using autofs for mounting an external hard drive to use for backups, then I started thinking that after 37 mounts fsck will want to do a file system check. What should I do to stop this ? |
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| 22:46.17 | simonlnu | you don't? |
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| 22:46.51 | MrHatter | simonlnu, my thoughts are, with drives getting so big, this one is 5tb, how long the fsck takes. |
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| 22:47.21 | simonlnu | you can set it so it's done less often, but i don't recommend not doing it at all. |
| 22:47.46 | simonlnu | either a certain amount of time or a certain amount of mounts |
| 22:48.32 | MrHatter | hmmm, the other option is to mount it with fstab when the system boots, but what happens if it dies or gets unplugged then somebody remotely restarts the box ? |
| 22:48.41 | Vainglory | i'm wanting to install maven 3.1.1 or greater using jessie as i'm getting the error: Failed to execute goal com.jayway.maven.plugins.android.generation2:android-maven-plugin:3.8.0:generate-sources (default-generate-sources) on project integration-android: The plugin com.jayway.maven.plugins.android.generation2:android-maven-plugin:3.8.0 requires Maven version 3.1.1 |
| 22:49.40 | MrHatter | I guess i could also change autofs so it stays mounted instead of umounting all the time ? |
| 22:49.52 | TomTomTosch | ,v maven |
| 22:49.53 | judd | Package: maven on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.4-3+deb7u1; jessie: 3.0.5-3; jessie-backports: 3.3.9-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.3.9-4; sid: 3.3.9-4 |
| 22:50.15 | TomTomTosch | Vainglory: backports has 3.3.9 does that work for you? |
| 22:50.25 | jak2013 | hi all how to restart network services? |
| 22:50.34 | Vainglory | TomTomTosch: yes it does. thank you :-) |
| 22:50.48 | simonlnu | dumpe2fs IIRC (not at a normal machine right now, just windows) |
| 22:50.54 | Vainglory | TomTomTosch: just reformatted and forgot how i fixed it before :-) |
| 22:50.56 | simonlnu | MrHatter: ^^^ |
| 22:51.00 | Vainglory | so figured i'd ask here |
| 22:51.29 | TomTomTosch | Vainglory: here is the right place to ask. glad i could help x) |
| 22:51.44 | Vainglory | TomTomTosch: you are a scholar and a gentleman. |
| 22:51.47 | MrHatter | simonlnu, what do the 3 hats mean ? |
| 22:51.52 | simonlnu | (been a while since i've had to configure mount count) |
| 22:51.59 | simonlnu | read above :) |
| 22:52.12 | simonlnu | i.e., they're arrows |
| 22:52.13 | MrHatter | aha, thanks :) |
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| 22:52.35 | jmcnaught | jak2013: use ifdown and ifup on the interface(s) |
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| 22:53.03 | MrHatter | jak2013 - also, debian 7, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:53.46 | jmcnaught | MrHatter: jak2013: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" has been deprecated since before wheezy and doesn't always work as expected |
| 22:53.52 | jmcnaught | it even says so when you run it |
| 22:53.58 | simonlnu | yep |
| 22:54.18 | jak2013 | i am on a net install debian |
| 22:54.19 | |_[O_O]_| | pffft, you kids - with your fancy init scripts and dhcp - back in my day we used to start our daemons individually and assign our addresses by hand |
| 22:54.33 | jak2013 | want confiure a proxy for download packages |
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| 22:54.49 | jak2013 | but cant.. connect to any i try so so 20 different sites |
| 22:54.51 | simonlnu | |_[O_O]_|: how old are you, 22? |
| 22:55.04 | jak2013 | then i modified manually /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:55.14 | |_[O_O]_| | how did you know that :| |
| 22:55.20 | jak2013 | and cant restart the network services |
| 22:55.22 | jmcnaught | jak2013: do you mean you are currently in the installer? the installer does have a question letting you set a proxy for APT |
| 22:55.22 | |_[O_O]_| | XP |
| 22:55.25 | jak2013 | ifdown eth0 |
| 22:55.34 | jak2013 | ifup eth0 command not found :( |
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| 22:55.36 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell jak2013 about enter |
| 22:55.50 | |_[O_O]_| | init=/bin/\|_\[O_O\]_\| |
| 22:56.06 | jak2013 | jmcnaught, understand sorry, escuse me |
| 22:56.24 | jmcnaught | jak2013: it makes you difficult to follow especially when others are talking |
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| 22:58.29 | jak2013 | my net install, cant continue because, the installation want ocnnect to internet, but never, ask me a manual configuration(ip,gw,dns).... i configured: manually /etc/network/interfaces (pressing Alt+F2) and want restart network service, ifup eth0 (command not found) |
| 22:58.54 | jak2013 | other way for restart network service? different to ifup/ifdown and/or "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
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| 22:59.58 | jmcnaught | jak2013: you are currently in the installer? |
| 23:00.24 | jak2013 | yes |
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| 23:00.39 | jak2013 | i am cicled... on the proxy :) |
| 23:02.04 | jmcnaught | jak2013: networking did not work at first? what kind of proxy are you trying to use? |
| 23:02.15 | jak2013 | i am not use proxy |
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| 23:03.10 | jmcnaught | jak2013: why are you trying to manually restart the network interface in the installer? |
| 23:04.27 | jak2013 | ok, i explain a little more, i am follow the installation..... the installer autoconfig the network card, then try to download packages.... but cant, .... then the installer try config a proy, and i am here.... |
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| 23:06.18 | jmcnaught | jak2013: how is your network supposed to be configured, by DHCP but it fails? is it ethernet or wifi, and does your adapter require a non-free firmware? Is there an error you can show us from tty4? |
| 23:06.51 | jak2013 | *proxy, i try: press ALT+F2 and modified the file /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 23:08.44 | jak2013 | jmcnaught i need dissconect.... return in 1 hour |
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| 23:09.07 | jmcnaught | jak2013: please take note of my questions so you can answer them when you return :) |
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| 23:09.17 | CatalinC | hi, can someone tell me a tool that allows me to see "power supply / ram slot / fans" faliures from linux on an IBM server? Like hp ASM on HP servers? |
| 23:09.19 | markybob | jak2013: hablas espanol? |
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| 23:32.49 | redcheckers | I recently tried to add some non debian repositories to apt sources .lst , and then ran a apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade as per a non debian guide, and it kind of broke my xorg and such, so i tried removing the sources, updating again, and dist-upgrade again, and i was wondering, is there something simple i can do to re-install the stuff that came for xorg when i did the livecd install? |
| 23:33.15 | markybob | !dontbreakdebian |
| 23:33.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 23:33.21 | markybob | !frankendebian |
| 23:33.22 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 23:33.41 | markybob | and no. |
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| 23:34.13 | redcheckers | dpkg: thats why i removed the other stuff before i asked for help. but if that's how you feel i guess i should just get a friendlier distro |
| 23:34.13 | dpkg | redcheckers: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 23:34.22 | redcheckers | markybob: ah. thats you* |
| 23:34.23 | markybob | redcheckers: that's a bot i called for you |
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| 23:34.58 | markybob | you can do that. it's not how i feel. i didn't make the factoids. but they are facts |
| 23:35.19 | redcheckers | markybob: and yet, if you'd read my whole question. you'd see they're facts that aren't applicable |
| 23:35.29 | jmcnaught | redcheckers: with some work you can remove all the foreign packages, but it might be easier to simply reinstall. What problem were you trying to solve when you added the foreign repos? |
| 23:35.54 | redcheckers | jmcnaught: was looking for some newer games |
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| 23:36.28 | jmcnaught | redcheckers: sounds like you got more than you bargained for and ended up replacing some Xorg packages |
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| 23:36.50 | redcheckers | jmcnaught: yes, and then when i removed the foreign stuff, the xorg stuff went too. |
| 23:37.17 | redcheckers | jmcnaught: so i dont have any kind of display manager when i turn it on, and no metacity, gnome, etc. |
| 23:37.29 | markybob | redcheckers: you can try to run sudo tasksel but there's no telling what's been done. |
| 23:37.36 | jmcnaught | redcheckers: "aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?origin(debian)))'" this command will search for installed packages not from debian |
| 23:37.46 | awwal | How to find out if X pkg is gtk2 only based or gtk3 or supports both? |
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| 23:39.02 | zykotick9 | awwal: perhaps, you could check "apt-cache rdepends FOO" i'd guess there might be a better method... |
| 23:40.47 | awwal | zykotick9, yeah, checking dependencies is a way yeah, and it's what I do, or check description, but I was wondering if something different can do the job |
| 23:42.10 | awwal | if I use a different gtk+ theme other then adwaita lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings, for example, looks so horrible |
| 23:43.33 | markybob | awwal: are you talking about the 3.2.0 transition? |
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| 23:45.54 | awwal | markybob, no |
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