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| 00:01.19 | Emil | Can anyone help with "A start job is running for LSB: raise network interfaces [x seconds / no limit]" |
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| 00:04.31 | Emil | Can anyone help with "A start job is running for LSB: raise network interfaces [x seconds / no limit]" |
| 00:04.53 | jmcnaught | Emil: it sounds like your /etc/init.d/networking is getting stuck. do you know what's in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:05.31 | jmcnaught | Emil: it's also surprising that there is no limit. I thought that the default limit was 90 seconds |
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| 00:06.06 | Emil | jmcnaught: indeed thought so, too, but something (these are default installations of Debian Jessie and Armbian) is overriding it |
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| 00:06.23 | Emil | tested for 33 hours on this desktop |
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| 00:06.52 | jmcnaught | Emil: can you boot into recovery mode from the GRUB menu? |
| 00:07.20 | Emil | jmcnaught: I can use the systemd shell to kill the start job and boot will continue and network is available |
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| 00:08.01 | jmcnaught | Emil: can you make a paste of your /etc/network/interfaces? Also "journalctl -b -u networking" |
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| 00:08.11 | Emil | I'm doing that as we speak |
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| 00:09.15 | Emil | jmcnaught: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7133eaa52471eea7871778fabeed0255 |
| 00:09.39 | Emil | journal coming up |
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| 00:10.49 | Emil | jmcnaught: emil.fi/jako/networking.txt |
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| 00:11.11 | Emil | A fuckton of dhclient calls |
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| 00:12.35 | jmcnaught | Emil: so when you kill that start job but networking is up, does it have both ipv6 and ipv4 addresses? |
| 00:12.48 | Emil | jmcnaught: but the thing is, if I kill everything (it was just the first one I found on htop, there were others too but I think they were childs of it) related to networking, boot process continues and once booted there is network |
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| 00:13.37 | Emil | jmcnaught: if I don't kill the start job it hangs forever, if I kill it boot continues and network is up once booted so at least ipv4 works, don't know about ipv6 |
| 00:13.42 | Emil | (Using ipv4) |
| 00:14.05 | jmcnaught | Emil: it looks to me like it's waiting for an ipv6 address from the DHCP server, but not getting once |
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| 00:14.27 | jmcnaught | Emil: does your router or whatever runs your DHCP server offer ipv6? |
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| 00:15.12 | Emil | jmcnaught: I don't know. I can test, though, if you provide a command |
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| 00:15.28 | Dagger | note that it may do IPv6 without doing DHCPv6. DHCPv6 is not required to autoconfigure v6 |
| 00:15.45 | Emil | at least test-ipv6.com tells me that I don't have a ipv6 address |
| 00:16.08 | Dagger | probably best to just leave the inet6 stanza out. SLAAC will still work without it |
| 00:16.27 | Emil | ping6 localhost doest get a reply |
| 00:16.50 | Emil | ping6 ipv6.google.com doesn't get a reply |
| 00:16.50 | jmcnaught | you can at least figure out if that's the issue by booting with the ipv6 line commented out |
| 00:17.11 | Emil | jmcnaught: okay, suppose that it hangs because it can't get an ipv6 address |
| 00:17.42 | Emil | That seems like a workaround? |
| 00:18.10 | Emil | I'd rather be able to get ipv6 if I'm served one instead of blocking it off completely |
| 00:18.31 | jmcnaught | Emil: your upstream network needs to also support ipv6, but i agree that having ipv6 is desired |
| 00:18.42 | jmcnaught | for now i was just suggesting it as a troubleshooting step to verify that this is the issue |
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| 00:20.40 | Emil | jmcnaught: This will require me to switch to my phone for irc but I will attempt the recommend |
| 00:20.56 | Emil | so editing out iface eth0 inet6 dhcp? |
| 00:21.04 | Emil | from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:21.06 | jmcnaught | Emil: do any of the other devices on the network have ipv6 working? |
| 00:21.16 | jmcnaught | Emil: for now just comment it out with a # at the start of the line |
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| 00:21.24 | Emil | jmcnaught: cannot verify easily |
| 00:21.31 | Emil | Yeah, commenting it out* |
| 00:23.05 | Dagger | (you can use `rdisc6 eth0` (it's in "ndisc6") to see if there's any v6 routers on the subnet) |
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| 00:24.01 | Emil | Dagger: which packet is that from? |
| 00:24.12 | Dagger | ndisc6 |
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| 00:24.54 | Emil | Dagger: times out |
| 00:25.03 | Emil | and no response |
| 00:25.08 | Dagger | then yeah, no routers |
| 00:26.02 | Emil | jmcnaught: switching not to phone and rebooting this system, will continue to use this account (servers are awesome) |
| 00:26.21 | Emil | And at phone |
| 00:26.37 | Emil | issued sudo reboot |
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| 00:27.22 | Emil | aaand stuck at the same place |
| 00:27.33 | Emil | I can provide a quick video |
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| 00:28.05 | Emil | Wait, no, it booted |
| 00:28.19 | Emil | Still complained abou no limit, which should be fixed |
| 00:29.10 | Emil | I can confirm that at the moment commenting out that ipv6 portion of the config fixed the issue |
| 00:30.09 | jmcnaught | Emil: that's good i guess, except it means you don't have ipv6 :/ The DefaultTimeoutStartSec directive in /etc/systemd/system.conf is what's supposed to define timeouts |
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| 00:31.57 | jmcnaught | Emil: on your system you can run "systemctl status networking" to see if it lists any drop-in files that might have a different timeout limit |
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| 00:40.13 | Emil | indeed, that line about ipv6 is the one to blame |
| 00:41.07 | Emil | jmcnaught: networking.service |
| 00:41.08 | Emil | ? |
| 00:42.14 | Emil | drop in files list: 50-insserv.conf-$network.conf |
| 00:42.16 | Emil | and |
| 00:42.25 | Emil | network-pre.conf |
| 00:42.29 | Emil | both with paths |
| 00:43.49 | jmcnaught | Emil: they're probably default, i just don't know why there was no time limit for you |
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| 00:44.11 | jmcnaught | perhaps it's because other service units depend on networking to be up |
| 00:44.19 | Emil | /run/systemd/generator/networking.service.d/50-insserv.conf-$network.conf |
| 00:44.20 | Emil | and |
| 00:44.34 | Emil | /lib/systemd/system/networking.service.d/network-pre.conf |
| 00:46.29 | jmcnaught | Emil: do those files say anything about delays or timeouts? |
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| 00:48.20 | Emil | jmcnaught: the first one, in generator, is autogenerated by systemd-insserv-generator and mentions no timeouts or delays |
| 00:48.39 | Emil | it wants network.target and also asks for before network.target |
| 00:49.12 | Emil | the other one, network-pre.conf wants After network-pre.target |
| 00:49.22 | Emil | both are under headings [Unit] |
| 00:50.41 | Emil | To me this is clearly a bug. The default scripts should handle boot with or without a network. The question is now: is it with Debian or Systemd |
| 00:51.16 | jmcnaught | Emil: looks pretty standard to me. i haven't have this kind of a problem yet with systemd, but i suspect it could be related to a unit dependency (something depending on networking) |
| 00:52.47 | Emil | jmcnaught: do you have additional recommendations? |
| 00:52.53 | jmcnaught | Emil: you can also look at "systemctl show networking" to see what directives systemd has configured for the networking init script (it converts init scripts to systemd units on the fly) |
| 00:52.56 | Emil | Disabling ipv6 is not something I'd like to do |
| 00:53.29 | jmcnaught | Emil: it seemed to me that you lack ipv6 support on your network altogether, you need to get that sorted before you have it working on this system |
| 00:53.41 | Emil | jmcnaught: that is not the issue. |
| 00:53.42 | jmcnaught | Emil: anyways i'll be out for a while, good luck :) |
| 00:53.57 | Emil | jmcnaught: the issue is that default configs refuse to boot without it |
| 00:54.41 | Emil | jmcnaught: anycase, that command tells me that TimeOutStartUSec and *Stop* are both set to 0 |
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| 00:55.16 | Dagger | Emil: removing that "inet6 dhcp" stanza isn't disabling v6 |
| 00:55.18 | jmcnaught | Emil: well you have a bunch more clues to research than when you started. i might be back later if you're still trying to figure it out :) |
| 00:55.44 | Emil | Dagger: what is the config there for, then? |
| 00:55.54 | Dagger | the way DHCPv6 is supposed to work is that your router sends an RA announcing itself, and if DHCPv6 is available then it sets the "DHCPv6 available" flag in the RA |
| 00:56.00 | Dagger | and systems are supposed to see that and try DHCPv6 |
| 00:56.24 | Emil | Dagger: and commenting that line out does then? |
| 00:56.31 | Dagger | by explicitly adding an "inet6 dhcp" line, you're asking it to use DHCPv6 regardless of what the network says |
| 00:56.48 | Emil | Dagger: hmm, okay |
| 00:56.52 | Dagger | and it makes some amount of sense that networking won't finish coming up until the DHCPv6 request succeeds |
| 00:57.19 | Dagger | (although the bit where it won't let you log in locally as a result doesn't make much sense) |
| 00:57.38 | Emil | Dagger: so, if networking works without it, why have an automatic config at all? |
| 00:57.45 | Dagger | Emil: honestly I'm not sure why you have that line in /e/n/i, I've never seen Debian add it before |
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| 00:59.27 | Emil | Dagger: armbian also experiences the same problem without mentioning ipv6. It has auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp and auto lo iface lo inet loopback |
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| 01:08.52 | err403 | Any idea why this isn't accessible? Fdisk shows this https://paste.debian.net/hidden/94b93eca/ and my fstab shows this https://paste.debian.net/hidden/cdbfa0d3/ |
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| 01:14.57 | err403 | What is Debian's name for ntfsprogrs? |
| 01:15.52 | hypOS | no, idea, but what is debians name for firefox? or do I need the backports for it right now? |
| 01:16.03 | hypOS | a quick heads up would be awesome |
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| 01:16.37 | markybob | yes you shoud use backports |
| 01:16.42 | markybob | should* |
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| 01:17.43 | hypOS | okay, thank you very much, I will now read the article "The end of the iceweasel age", which I just found |
| 01:17.46 | hypOS | :) |
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| 01:46.24 | awwal | Mplayer cli mode doesn't play m3u / pls playlists? |
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| 01:47.58 | dTal | awwal: man mplayer | grep playlist |
| 01:51.37 | awwal | dTal, ok, thanks. havent seen "-playlist" option. thanks. works fine now :) |
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| 01:53.00 | dTal | yeah it's kind of a dorky interface if you ask me, it can autodetect tons of formats |
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| 01:53.08 | Emil | Hi |
| 01:53.35 | Emil | So, umm, what can I rip out off /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:53.59 | slink | what are you trying to do? |
| 01:54.13 | Emil | slink: avoid it hanging if it doesn't get ipv4 or ipv6 |
| 01:54.33 | slink | you could set a static IP in there i suppose? |
| 01:54.38 | Emil | slink: no |
| 01:54.41 | slink | or remove the 'auto eth0' so it doesn't automatically come up |
| 01:54.51 | slink | man interfaces |
| 01:55.15 | awwal | dTal, running gnu-linux is too much commands to remember, one gets lost! xD |
| 01:55.20 | Emil | slink: I want it to try to get dhcp and then quickly give up and proceed to boot normally |
| 01:55.32 | Emil | Or at least reduce the timeout |
| 01:55.44 | Emil | and then obviously try to get internet while boot has finished |
| 01:55.45 | dTal | awwal: manpages are your friend, always check the manpages |
| 01:56.07 | awwal | dTal, of course :P |
| 01:56.16 | slink | Emil: well, this isn't ideal, but you could remove 'auto eth0', then add in /etc/rc.local (or whatever it is these days), ifup eth0 & |
| 01:56.45 | dTal | ideally of course everything would be so friendly and intuitive we didn't need manpages |
| 01:56.56 | awwal | xterm & bash manuals, no thanks, hahaha, I get a real headache. so extensives ... xD |
| 01:57.10 | dTal | grep is also your friend |
| 01:57.17 | awwal | right :) |
| 01:57.58 | dTal | although... the bash manpage is worth a read sometime, maybe someday you're stuck somewhere with no internet |
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| 02:00.24 | ins3ct | someone who already used zMeu can help me? |
| 02:00.34 | awwal | I dont know why debian still have 'radio' application if /dev/radio doesn't exit in the system. " radio ---» open /dev/radio0: no such file or directory" |
| 02:01.51 | Emil | slink: that's a hack :D |
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| 02:03.10 | awwal | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296858 |
| 02:03.11 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/296858 in radio (closed): «radio fails to find radio device»; severity: normal; opened: 2005-02-25; last modified: 2005-02-28. |
| 02:03.31 | slink | yep |
| 02:04.04 | awwal | why there is not a dev/radio dir? seems not a bug in radio software but kernel related |
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| 02:04.52 | awwal | can one just create that radio directory in /dev naming it radio0 ? |
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| 02:06.14 | awwal | i guess no one uses that application anymore xD |
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| 02:12.10 | dTal | awwal: even if you tried that, it wouldn't be a directory |
| 02:12.21 | dTal | the command is "mknod" |
| 02:12.42 | awwal | mknod? |
| 02:12.54 | dTal | yes, the device files in /dev are special |
| 02:13.02 | awwal | hm |
| 02:13.23 | dTal | however for what it's worth I can't remember a time I've ever needed mknod |
| 02:13.41 | dTal | if you have the appropriate driver loaded, the relevant files should appear |
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| 02:14.04 | cafuego | You shouldn't need it these days. The kernel with create the device node when the correct driver kernel module is loaded. |
| 02:14.36 | awwal | i have read somewhere that dev radio isn't present anymmore in linux systems bcoz of kernel changes, but i dont find the web link right now |
| 02:15.08 | awwal | seems that the kernel doesn't provide such module anymore or something like that |
| 02:15.41 | cafuego | It's probably bundled in the v4l stuff that mythtv also uses. |
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| 02:19.50 | awwal | i would like try 'radio' nucurse radio player, but it complains about dev radio0 not found |
| 02:20.34 | awwal | and no trace of it in dev, right |
| 02:20.39 | awwal | ,v radio |
| 02:20.41 | judd | Package: radio on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.95.dfsg.1-8.1+b1; wheezy: 3.102-3; jessie: 3.103-3+b1; sid: 3.103-4+b1; stretch: 3.103-4+b1 |
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| 02:22.36 | awwal | still maintained and available for all branch's but not working xD |
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| 02:23.34 | awwal | probably missing an up-to-date manual page... |
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| 02:27.05 | torpet | How does debian stable handle chromium upgrades? Are they usually upgraded or only if security bugs are found? |
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| 02:34.01 | awwal | torpet, check jessie release notes, something is said about that there |
| 02:35.00 | torpet | awwal: you talking about this document? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ |
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| 02:35.37 | Emil | dhclient should fix it's hanging and debian should perhaps change the "no limit" to something much better, like the default systemd timeout value |
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| 02:38.08 | awwal | torpet, not enough info but a piste https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security |
| 02:38.45 | torpet | nice thanks! |
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| 02:44.06 | jmcnaught | Emil: hello again. do you have anything in /etc/network/if-up.d (or if-pre-up.d)? One jessie you also have the option of using systemd-networkd (instead of /e/n/interfaces) |
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| 02:45.12 | jmcnaught | errr s/One/On/ |
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| 02:47.10 | mundus2018 | Can someone help me install something? I seem to be getting errors when I run make https://gyazo.com/8f5abf7d350d4b42cf1f0d236f8a6177 |
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| 02:51.00 | jmcnaught | mundus2018: on Jessie at least the missing stdint.h file is in the gcc-arm-none-eabi package. are you on wheezy? it's probably the same. You can use "apt-file" to search for files in packages that aren't installed |
| 02:51.29 | FaTony | I have the program with the same name in /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin what file will be executed when I type the program name? |
| 02:51.41 | mundus2018 | cits jesse jmcnaught |
| 02:52.47 | jmcnaught | mundus2018: oh yeah? your screenshot shows a path with "4.6" in it. gcc-4.6 is on wheezy, but not jessie (it has 4.8 and 4.9) |
| 02:53.04 | jmcnaught | FaTony: what does "which program" tell you? |
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| 02:53.35 | mundus2018 | I installed the package gcc, becuase someone said I need to install gcc |
| 02:53.44 | FaTony | jmcnaught, I currently don't have this situation, maybe I'll go ahead and try |
| 02:53.50 | mundus2018 | acctually I think its jesse... How can I check? |
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| 02:54.35 | bibek | hello everyone |
| 02:55.07 | bibek | i have a pretty simple question: which file determines which dislay manager gets loaded on startup? |
| 02:55.10 | awwal | mundus2018, lsb_release -a |
| 02:55.13 | jmcnaught | mundus2018: "lsb_release -a" to see release information. or "cat /etc/debian_version". "uname -a" to see kernel version. "apt-cache policy gcc" to see gcc package version. "gcc --version" too |
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| 02:55.33 | bibek | i have remote access to the machine and have to change the DM from gnome to cinnamon |
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| 02:55.55 | mundus2018 | Debian version 7.8 |
| 02:56.09 | mundus2018 | lsb_release -a was command not found |
| 02:56.38 | mundus2018 | gcc version 4.6.3 |
| 02:56.39 | jmcnaught | mundus2018: that's wheezy, and it's possibly behind on security updates |
| 02:56.54 | mundus2018 | probably |
| 02:57.13 | computer | hi all - been poking around various backup solutions for debian - specifically, i want something to roll my system back to previous state if experiments go awry |
| 02:57.30 | mundus2018 | any idea what I can do? can I download and make the file on another computer maybe? |
| 02:57.35 | computer | any recommendations? |
| 02:58.25 | Emil | jmcnaught: can you help me with changing to systemd-networkd or point me to a good tutorial for it? |
| 02:58.27 | computer | so that would be system not docs/photos etc |
| 02:58.34 | Emil | but I'll share those configs |
| 02:59.35 | mundus2018 | Acctually... Tried making on another machine and I got the same error |
| 02:59.46 | Emil | in if-up.d I have avahi-daemon, mountfs, upstart, ehtool, openssh-server and wpasupplicant. In if-pre-up.d I have bridge, ethtool and wpasupplicant |
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| 03:00.53 | bibek | guys, how do i get rid of gdm? |
| 03:00.57 | jmcnaught | Emil: i found this but didn't read the whole thread. it might not be the same exact same issue (supposed to be fixed) but reading it might help you find stuff to check. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754218 |
| 03:00.58 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/754218 in ifupdown (closed): «boot hangs forever on LSB job "raise network interfaces"»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-07-08; last modified: 2015-01-28. |
| 03:01.17 | Emil | jmcnaught: i.imgur.com/Wo5HnGj |
| 03:01.24 | Emil | jmcnaught: https://i.imgur.com/Wo5HnGj |
| 03:01.25 | jmcnaught | bibek: which DM are you trying to switch to? the DM is started by init, so systemd on Jessie. |
| 03:01.43 | Emil | jmcnaught: https://i.imgur.com/Wo5HnGJ |
| 03:02.26 | Emil | jmcnaught: killing the bottom most process, pid 564, allowed boot to resume |
| 03:02.47 | mundus2018 | any idea jmcnaught ? |
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| 03:03.11 | jmcnaught | mundus2018: did you try installing the package i mentioned? |
| 03:03.30 | mundus2018 | yes |
| 03:03.33 | mundus2018 | I installed it |
| 03:03.46 | jmcnaught | Emil: what happens if you do "ifdown eth0" and then "ifup eth0"? |
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| 03:04.33 | jmcnaught | mundus2018: and now that this package is installed, if you run "dpkg -S /partial/path/to/missing/file" does it say it's installed? |
| 03:05.20 | mundus2018 | jmcnaught, what would I put for /partial/path/to/missing/file |
| 03:06.00 | Emil | jmcnaught: sudo ifdown -> ifdown: interface eth0 not configured. sudo ifup eth0: ifup: interface eth0 already configured |
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| 03:06.36 | Emil | though I ran it twice and first time ifup started something |
| 03:07.03 | jmcnaught | mundus2018: the missing file reported in the error in your screenshot: https://gyazo.com/8f5abf7d350d4b42cf1f0d236f8a6177 (note if you'd used a text pastebin i could have selected the text :P ) |
| 03:07.30 | mundus2018 | Sorry ill do it next time |
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| 03:08.26 | jmcnaught | Emil: this is probably because you killed the dhclient process |
| 03:08.52 | jmcnaught | Emil: do you still have the inet6 line in /e/n/interfaces? |
| 03:09.02 | mundus2018 | Guessing this is wrong jmcnaught http://pastebin.com/raw/qtsMcYeM |
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| 03:11.44 | Emil | jmcnaught: did, I'll try again |
| 03:11.47 | jmcnaught | mundus2018: so there's a file mentioned in that error that cannot be found. use "dpkg -S" to search for that file |
| 03:12.01 | Emil | jmcnaught: same for idown without that line |
| 03:12.02 | Emil | and |
| 03:12.31 | mundus2018 | I fixed it :D |
| 03:12.44 | mundus2018 | jmcnaught, needed to install build-essentials |
| 03:13.16 | awwal | bibek, gdm3 is the default gnome display manager. I dont think you will be able to get rid of it nicely if you are running gnome. an easy way is installing another display manager, I recommend lightdm, choose it as default when dpkg prompts you, and disable dgm3 using systemctl |
| 03:13.35 | Emil | jmcnaught: okay, so, ifdown eth0 cut my internet |
| 03:14.13 | Emil | jmcnaught: but |
| 03:14.17 | Emil | lemme query the results |
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| 03:17.01 | jmcnaught | Emil: heh of course, "ifdown eth0" takes down the eth0 interface, disconnects it |
| 03:17.16 | Emil | jmcnaught: well, til :D |
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| 03:18.49 | jmcnaught | Emil: and essentially what the networking service/initscript is doing is running "ifup" on the "auto" stuff in /e/n/interfaces at boot time |
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| 03:19.33 | theraspberry | so I'm running debian sid and I wanted to install libgnutls30, but apt is saying that its going to remove libgtk3.0, libreoffice and a whole bunch of other packages. I was directed here from #linux with "ah the perennial bane of dpkg. thats not uncommon & its generally inexplicable" |
| 03:19.50 | theraspberry | I can give a paste if required. |
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| 03:21.47 | jmcnaught | !bat |
| 03:21.48 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 03:22.32 | jmcnaught | theraspberry: the information above in pastes will help. you're probably better off asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:23.13 | jmcnaught | theraspberry: it's not a problem with dpkg so much as unstable/sid is a development version and sometimes it's simply broken, but conflicts can also be caused by third-party repos |
| 03:23.22 | theraspberry | ah, jeez thats some work. |
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| 03:23.38 | theraspberry | alright thanks :D |
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| 03:29.24 | bibek | awwal: hmm, that's a shame. doing what you suggested let's see how it goes. |
| 03:29.47 | bibek | i'm trying to run a headless vnc server on it and for some reason gdm doesn't play nicely. at all. |
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| 03:34.26 | awwal | bibek, are you confusing DE vs DM? |
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| 03:36.44 | mundus2018 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.22 | awwal | bibek, gdm3 is a DM (display manager, also called login manager); gnome is a DE (desktop environment); WM (window manager, such as openbox...) |
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| 03:38.31 | bibek | awwal: yeah. i knew that. still confusing. thanks for reminding me. |
| 03:38.41 | bibek | here's the error i'm trying to get away from https://ptpb.pw/JKry/ |
| 03:39.02 | bibek | it's gnome-session complaining, so perhaps i should just change DE |
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| 03:41.55 | awwal | i dont use gnome, no clue |
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| 03:43.17 | bibek | it says dpkg-reconfigure is missing, there's a package for it? |
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| 04:01.01 | awwal | bibek, dpkg-reconfigure what? |
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| 04:09.00 | mundus2018 | Anyone know how I can pipe audio output to another program? |
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| 04:21.36 | Sir_Designer | mundus2018 http://www.jackaudio.org/faq/ |
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| 04:50.17 | mrpelican | Hi all, while installing the steam deb package, some other dependency failed, and it wound up uninstalling a TON of packages off my system |
| 04:50.28 | mrpelican | https://cluelessperson.com/history.log At the bottom there, you can see it. |
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| 04:50.56 | mrpelican | How does the command "apt-get install libdrm2:i386" cause for 100 other packages to be removed? |
| 04:51.10 | somiaj | mrpelican: where did you install the steam deb. |
| 04:51.53 | somiaj | mrpelican: It could be an issue where the i386 version doesn't match the amd64 version you have installed causing a conflict and removing the lib which will remove lots of other things |
| 04:52.11 | mrpelican | somiaj, Where? all I did was dpkg -i steam.deb |
| 04:52.28 | somiaj | mrpelican: where did you get this deb? Why aren't you isntalling the package from non-free? |
| 04:52.34 | mrpelican | somiaj, steam started up, asked for root to install several other packages, (done it before), and they failed, and it uninstalled |
| 04:52.44 | mrpelican | somiaj, steampowered.com |
| 04:52.47 | mrpelican | the oficial site |
| 04:53.21 | somiaj | you should have installed the package provided by debian, it would have figured out the depends with apt. |
| 04:53.42 | somiaj | ,v steam |
| 04:53.43 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
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| 04:53.53 | somiaj | oh yea its an i386 package |
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| 04:55.06 | mrpelican | somiaj, I don't understand why apt would just uninstall so many unrelated files without prompting me, nor do I understand why the logic would act that way |
| 04:55.17 | mrpelican | somiaj, regardless, I hav ea list of the removed files, do you know how I can fix it? |
| 04:56.14 | somiaj | mrpelican: you most likely had a conflict, and this conflict of a core libary can remove all packages that depend on that libary |
| 04:56.54 | mrpelican | somiaj, Do you know how I can identify the core conflict? |
| 04:57.43 | somiaj | mrpelican: pay attention to what apt was trying to do when you ran that command, and then track down the packages with apt-cache show and apt-cache policy |
| 04:57.54 | somiaj | mrpelican: but in this case you should have isntalled steam via apt and avoided the whole issue |
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| 04:57.59 | mrpelican | somiaj, I don't understand |
| 04:58.12 | jmcnaught | mrpelican: apt-get prompts if it is going to remove or install packages that aren't explicitly listed in the command |
| 04:58.17 | mrpelican | somiaj, I understand how I can avoid it in the future. |
| 04:58.24 | mrpelican | somiaj, I don't understand how to fix |
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| 05:00.32 | somiaj | mrpelican: pay attention to what apt is telling you, you should have been able to say no to apt wanting to remove everything and then you can look at what the conflict actually is |
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| 05:01.43 | somiaj | but best advise is to avoid conflicts all together by being careful when installing third party .debs |
| 05:02.58 | mrpelican | somiaj, it's a large trusted 3rd party typically. :/ |
| 05:03.55 | somiaj | it appears the problem was you had the libdrm2:amd64 isntalled from jessie-backports |
| 05:04.35 | somiaj | but when you requested that isntall of libdrm2:i386, you requested the jessie version, this caused a conflict since you have to have matching libs on multiarch, and removed libdrm2:amd64 and everything that dependnend on it. |
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| 05:04.45 | somiaj | adding a -t jessie-backports to your install command would have avoided this. |
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| 05:05.38 | mrpelican | somiaj, how do I undo those changes? |
| 05:05.42 | somiaj | also according to your history, you rand an upgrade that caused everyting to upgrade to the jessie-backports repo, this shoudln't happen unless you changed the pinning, as this is one reason you shodhln't just upgraded all your packages to jessie-backports |
| 05:06.13 | somiaj | mrpelican: you may have to llok though the log and manually install a few of the non-lib packages that were removed and let them pull in the libs they want again. |
| 05:06.34 | mrpelican | somiaj, every package I attempt to install tells me it has unmet dependencies |
| 05:06.59 | somiaj | you need to fix your install first, if apt-get -f install doesn't fix it, you need to track down which package has the unmet dependency |
| 05:07.26 | mrpelican | somiaj, I don't know how |
| 05:07.29 | somiaj | it could also be an issue with jessie vs jessie-backports. By default jessie-backports libs won't be included (which is good) |
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| 05:08.13 | somiaj | apt-get -t jessie-backports -f install might work, but that upgrade that upgraded many packages to jessie-backports is what started this. I don't see why that should have happened unless you changed the pinning of jessie-backports |
| 05:08.33 | mrpelican | somiaj, I don't know what you mean by changed the pinning |
| 05:08.38 | somiaj | mrpelican: care to paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
| 05:09.10 | mrpelican | somiaj, http://hastebin.com/raw/usilokuvul |
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| 05:12.09 | somiaj | I woudln't use a repo for ubuntu precise on a debian system. But your jessie-backports repo is pinned correctly at 100, so I do not know why an upgrade would have upgraded all your packages to the jessie-backports version, this should not have happened. |
| 05:13.44 | mrpelican | I'm stuck right now staring at a console |
| 05:13.57 | somiaj | I have seen this happen to someone else, apt is behaving like it is designed, but maybe a better warning to the user or having apt figure out that since the jessie-backports version for the amd64 package is installed to also isntall the i386 version when manually requesting it to be installed. |
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| 05:15.00 | mrpelican | somiaj, What I'm hearing is that I'll have to reinstall my entire system and waste several more hours |
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| 05:15.42 | somiaj | mrpelican: it is fixable but it would take time tracking down the conflicts and fixing them. |
| 05:17.05 | mrpelican | somiaj, I don't know how to track down the conflict. |
| 05:18.49 | bibek | hi |
| 05:18.50 | somiaj | mrpelican: well the call is yours, use it as a learning experience to fix it, or reinstall. |
| 05:19.00 | bibek | why is groupadd not available? |
| 05:19.05 | bibek | wierd |
| 05:19.43 | somiaj | bibek: are you running this as root, /usr/sbin won't be in a normal users path. |
| 05:19.45 | mrpelican | somiaj, I don't know how to fix it, and it sounds a like a bug/design error with no easy reversal, so I'm just going to re-install the entire system |
| 05:20.04 | mrpelican | it's already midnight, fantastic |
| 05:20.06 | bibek | somiaj: ohh let me try. |
| 05:20.07 | mrpelican | fml |
| 05:20.19 | somiaj | mrpelican: the reversal is don't blindy say yes when installing things with apt. Read first. |
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| 05:20.45 | somiaj | mrpelican: as for the issue, I do agree there are some things that need to be cleaned up with out jessie and jessie-backports work with pinning, but it is working as designed. |
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| 05:22.56 | bibek | thanks. that was it. |
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| 05:31.15 | TheNaziParty | My daughter was watching a tv show when i noticed there was a guy typing a command into a bash terminal the command was "iptables -i inputf -6 -p tcp -m" what does this do? |
| 05:32.23 | somiaj | TheNaziParty: man iptables |
| 05:32.46 | somiaj | TheNaziParty: http://ipset.netfilter.org/iptables.man.html -- that will list what the options -i, -6, -p and -m do |
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| 05:34.39 | TheNaziParty | somiaj: Thanks |
| 05:35.05 | TheNaziParty | It turns out it is not valid |
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| 05:38.10 | bibek | TheNaziParty: yup, i thought it was incomplete, at best |
| 05:39.23 | bibek | so, i got rid of gdm3 and want to run a cinnamon session, but the thing is i only have remote access to the machine, how do i proceed? |
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| 05:39.43 | bibek | also it's headless(no monitor) and i'm the sole user. |
| 05:39.47 | bibek | with root access. |
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| 05:43.05 | somiaj | bibek: there are various ways, but any reason you want to run cinnamon? Would just using ssh X11 forwarding work (this can run xorg apps on a remote client) |
| 05:43.11 | somiaj | bibek: you coudl also set up a vnc server |
| 05:43.33 | bibek | somiaj: i am trying to set up vnc server actually. |
| 05:44.18 | somiaj | I have never set one up, but I think tighvncserver is fairly easy to set up. |
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| 05:46.37 | bibek | somiaj: so, i tried to do it using tightvnc and gnome session, but gnome-session gave me error ( https://ptpb.pw/JKry/ ) . didn't have a problem with xfce4. but user wants either gnome or cinnamon. |
| 05:47.47 | somiaj | bibek: gnome-session requires some level of opengl and I don't htink you have that over a vnc connenction |
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| 05:48.33 | somiaj | bibek: I'm unsure if there are any tweaks you can do to get gnome to run under vnc |
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| 05:50.02 | bibek | yeah. so, onto the cinnamon. i started Xorg from command line, started gnome session on DISPLAY=:0 also remotely. and vnc'ed it. i got a crippled desktop. not all panel/tray were present. so, i was thinking more of a .xinit, way? perhaps. |
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| 05:50.39 | somiaj | bibek: what do you mean by .xinit way? Just have the user run 'startx' after they connect to the vnc session instead of having a display manager? |
| 05:51.34 | bibek | hmm, on a second though that woulnd't work. coz vnc can only serve if display is present i.e. X is already running. |
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| 05:52.29 | somiaj | Might depend on how you configure vnc, I only use vnc with virtual machines and I'm able to connect to consoles and run startx inside of it just fine |
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| 05:53.42 | bibek | ohh, okay. let me try if i can do something like that, |
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| 05:56.25 | f-a | I have got a scanned pdf which takes ages to load. Is there any way to, err, downgrade it? |
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| 05:57.19 | nkuttler | f-a: ocr? |
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| 05:58.37 | f-a | nkuttler: no dice, it's a scanned music score from archive.org. |
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| 06:00.18 | f-a | and they scan with a high dpi |
| 06:04.40 | somiaj | bibek: maybe look at gnome-flashback, I found some info that suggests that is the only way to get gnome working. |
| 06:04.52 | somiaj | bibek: cinnamon might not work I read but gnome-flashback should |
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| 06:04.55 | somiaj | ,v gnome-flashback |
| 06:04.56 | judd | Package: gnome-flashback on amd64 -- jessie: 3.10.0-3; sid: 3.20.1-1; stretch: 3.20.1-1 |
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| 06:25.56 | bibek | somiaj: oh cool, yeah. cinnamon wasnt playing nicely either. |
| 06:27.09 | somiaj | bibek: looks like you need tigervnc to for compositing wms, which looks like it may be in debian9, unsure if it will be avaiable via jessie-backports though (as it isn't in sid yet) |
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| 07:07.23 | xarragon | Anyone tried running without swap on a laptop? Is it feasible? |
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| 07:10.49 | jelly | xarragon: yes (having 16GiB RAM helps) |
| 07:12.15 | Stummi | actually, I think if you have enough ram for your everyday usage, having no swap the preferred way |
| 07:12.48 | xarragon | jelly: Have Thinkpad X230 with 8GiB, upgrading it with a large SSD now and going to pop in another 8GiB memory module.. |
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| 07:14.58 | xarragon | jelly: Well, I will try it. |
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| 07:23.12 | MaBunny | guys i found a bug in vlc |
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| 07:23.31 | MaBunny | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.57 | MaBunny | and i was like renaming my folders to remove blank spaces.... |
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| 07:24.22 | MaBunny | i renamed my music folder too...and when my current song finished |
| 07:24.45 | MaBunny | vlc just overpowered my system....idk |
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| 07:25.39 | MaBunny | maybe its my fault....but vlc shouldnt be like running on 56% freq n stuff |
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| 07:32.45 | ocb | some version of vlc a few months ago crashed my debian in vm like 10 times in a row when I resized the vlc to the upper right corner :) |
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| 07:33.02 | ocb | when I resized to the upper left corner, all ok |
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| 07:35.40 | w0lf1c | hi |
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| 07:38.10 | Wulf | Hi |
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| 07:38.58 | tetero | xarragon: Even though you may not need swap if you have enough RAM, there are other circumstances where it might be useful. Hibernation, for example. |
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| 07:39.39 | Wulf | I've got one package source and build it for different releases. Reprepro tells me that it can't include two binary packages with same name but different contents (here: slightly different Depends). What would be the right fix for this issue? |
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| 07:44.24 | JyZyXEL | main packagekitd[2813]: Internal error, DistUpgrade broke stuff |
| 07:44.43 | tetero | MaBunny: Perhaps it was going through the entire playlist rapidly and finding none of the songs were there anymore? |
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| 07:46.49 | MaBunny | yeah tetero you r right |
| 07:46.54 | xarragon | tetero: Yes, but I deliberately chose not to have hibernation on this setup. I am going for a "secure" setup, playing with disk encryption etc. |
| 07:47.15 | xarragon | Anyways, I never really hibernated it anyway. Did either sleep or poweroff. |
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| 07:48.19 | xarragon | I actually playing with the builtin harddrive encryption; got an Intel SSD which does not like uncompressibvle data, so dmcrypt was not ideal. |
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| 07:48.35 | tetero | xarragon: Yeah, just making sure you're aware of it. It's easy to miss that hibernation swaps, even if the system doesn't otherwise |
| 07:48.46 | thms | Hi, is there a good ncurses interfaces to show me what's being launched at boot ? |
| 07:49.00 | xarragon | But the thinkpad BIOS/EFI handles harddrive password nicely even efter I swapped the Lenovo OEM drive with a retail Intel 535. |
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| 07:49.50 | xarragon | tetero: I actually managed to run out of memory with 8 GB + 8 Gb swap.. Dunno wtf I was doing, probably long-running Firefox instances. |
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| 07:50.15 | xarragon | tetero: So this is sort of a way of forcing some discipline onto myself. |
| 07:50.16 | tetero | xarragon: Built-in encryption eh? Intel 520? |
| 07:50.38 | xarragon | tetero: Newer, 535.. But I am not sure how much trust to place in it. |
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| 07:51.18 | tetero | xarragon: I assume that the encryption is at least on par with the 520. It's definitely good enough to protect you from consumers. Definitely not good enough to protect against the government, if they are determined to get access to your data |
| 07:51.26 | xarragon | tetero: actually the original 520 that came with the Thinkpad never worked with dmcrypt, despite a week of experimentation.. I was starting to ssupect intentional sabotage from lenovo |
| 07:52.12 | xarragon | tetero: Yeah, I kind of suspect these drive encryption stuff to be dodgy, either intentionally or unintentionally. |
| 07:52.15 | tetero | xarragon: Lenovo have been found out in the past to integrate espionage circuitry on their business class notebooks. I'm not sure if they're still doing it, but some governments have banned their use for government stuff. (The US for example.) |
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| 07:53.07 | xarragon | tetero: But everythign truly sensitive will be in separate containers, only briefly unlocked. The whole-drive stuff is just in case I lose the laptop on a train, then i dont want some thief to get receipts, contacts etc. |
| 07:53.08 | tetero | I'm suspecting that a lot of manufacturers are doing dodgy things in these regards |
| 07:53.24 | tetero | xarragon: Yeah it's definitely good enough for that application |
| 07:53.53 | xarragon | tetero: Any evidence? I know the US stopped using them and went to Dell, though I always thought that was more good ol protectionism and paranoia. |
| 07:54.28 | xarragon | Otherwise, these machines come with intel AMT, which is bascially a hardware backdoor. |
| 07:54.54 | xarragon | Like literally an embedded computer inside the computer, designed for remote management |
| 07:55.25 | tetero | xarragon: I can't really remember. You can find a lot of information about it if you google for lenovo backdoor |
| 07:55.35 | xarragon | Lenovo SSD also comes with "customized" firmware (which is buggy), which I also don't trust.. |
| 07:55.59 | xarragon | tetero: You know about all the various anti-theft systems then? That's another can of worms. |
| 07:56.38 | xarragon | tetero: X230 comes with Lojack and Intel Anti-theft, basically hardware-assisted rootkits with phone-home. |
| 07:56.41 | tetero | xarragon: Honestly, as I said, I suspect that many manufacturers are putting in all kinds of backdoors or weaknesses. There was a pretty questionable affair involving junos (juniper networks operating system) that has me on edge, as we use juniper networks gear throughout our network |
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| 07:57.31 | tetero | The fact that the US can legally order companies like Juniper to implement backdoors, or vulnerabilities, and ban them from telling their customers means that it's up in the air regarding closed source software in general. |
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| 07:57.57 | fireba11 | tetero: look for manufacturers with canry-websites? :-D |
| 07:57.58 | qmr | til people still use juniper |
| 07:58.01 | antzero | How do I set custom dpi in Firefox? |
| 07:58.08 | qmr | tetero: 2003 called, they want their shit back |
| 07:58.21 | antzero | I want two different values of dpi , one for the system and one for firefox |
| 07:58.26 | antzero | I still can't get how to do it |
| 07:58.34 | tetero | fireba11: Ha. I typically just check if they've got DoD on linkedin ;-P |
| 07:58.44 | fireba11 | antzero: dpi means "dots per inch" so that does not make sense :-D |
| 07:59.04 | antzero | I meant dpi rendering |
| 07:59.05 | tetero | qmr: You're on IRC. Do you know how long this has been outdated? ;) |
| 07:59.16 | xarragon | tetero: Yeah, it is getting rather sickening. And consumers are being conditioned to beliving always-on monitoring is to their benefit. Was shopping for a NAS; every damn product has "CLOUD!!" written as their main feature. |
| 07:59.23 | antzero | font dpi |
| 07:59.28 | antzero | or w/e you wanna call it |
| 07:59.52 | qmr | xarragon: FUCK FUCK FUCK THAT. JFSDKJFDSKAFJKDS |
| 08:00.05 | tetero | xarragon: Cloud is kind of the trendy thing right now.. probably sells a lot of gear |
| 08:00.20 | qmr | one of the new routers I bought to test prompts me to make a "cloud account". instead of, you know, going to router setup |
| 08:00.27 | qmr | absolutely disgusting |
| 08:00.49 | tetero | Consumer router I presume? |
| 08:00.51 | qmr | tetero: that word triggers me plz don't say it |
| 08:00.59 | epsilon | .oO there's no cloud, just someone else' computer |
| 08:01.02 | qmr | yes. thought it could run ddwrt, but .. it won't stay installed |
| 08:01.17 | qmr | epsilon: correct. I used to work for a business purporting to be "cloud" ( vps provider ) |
| 08:01.18 | tetero | qmr: I don't abide by trigger warnings as the entire concept is ridiculously stupid |
| 08:01.22 | xarragon | qmr: Well you CAN fsck it. I bought a cheap D-Link router and put OpenWRT on it, got rid of all the junk. Same thing with my IP-camera, custom firmware, sweet! |
| 08:01.28 | qmr | tetero: correct |
| 08:01.57 | qmr | xarragon: tell me more about custom ip camera firmware ?? I have some cheap cameras with broken china firmware |
| 08:02.21 | qmr | I can't do cheap router though. interference here is crazy and I want a fast network |
| 08:02.22 | fireba11 | xarragon: build my own NAS ... uATX-board with amd fusion, 5x3TBHD, 64SSD for OS, debian, done :-D |
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| 08:02.56 | xarragon | qmr: Well in my case I got a D-Link 930L IP camera for like $30, it had cloud. Then I found out you can run OpenWRT on it, though you have to build an image yourself. |
| 08:02.57 | qmr | itym 64GB SSD for L2ARC |
| 08:03.22 | epsilon | I once installed a owncloud on a single server for a customer, since then the customer was proud to announce their data to be in cloud |
| 08:03.29 | qmr | my cameras cost about the same, but have PTZ ( more the PT bit ) |
| 08:03.32 | tetero | fireba11: You could just use ARM boards you know :-) bring the power consumption down a bit |
| 08:04.21 | fireba11 | tetero: software raid and luks encryption and GBit network .. it's too much for the small CPU already *cough* |
| 08:04.36 | xarragon | qmr: I am actually playing with replaceing firmware on stuff, though I am not very good yet. Trying to make an open firmware for my Motorola Moto G. |
| 08:05.03 | tetero | fireba11: You can use hardware raid, accelerated encryption and gigabit is not a problem either. You just have to get something other than a raspberry pi ;) |
| 08:05.03 | epsilon | depends in raid level, raid1 doesn't cost CPU |
| 08:05.11 | xarragon | qmr: But IP cameras are high on my list too, I want to make a cool home alarm system.. But havn't found any good/cheap ones yet |
| 08:05.40 | fireba11 | epsilon: the raid is barely noticable compared to the strong encryption :-D |
| 08:05.59 | xarragon | Regarding NAS:es, Buffalo linkstation had a very nice model with 2x3TB disks inckluded för $200 or so (incl. VAT). |
| 08:06.02 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 08:06.02 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 08:06.10 | fireba11 | epsilon: i get about 50MB/s as continuous write speed |
| 08:06.29 | xarragon | Was tempted to buy it, because buying disks alone costs more than that, then replace the firmware on the ARM board inside. |
| 08:06.43 | xarragon | jelly: ok, sorry |
| 08:06.46 | tetero | Well then, I'm switching to -offtopic |
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| 08:06.54 | qmr | xarragon: I need to hack my "smart" home gateway so I can rip the cloud out of it |
| 08:08.50 | fireba11 | qmr: trending sports 2016: de-cloud-ifying things |
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| 08:10.57 | qmr | I wonder if anyone will wake up leading to self hosting being the hip new thing |
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| 08:19.43 | thms | I'm trying to get my rsync darem |
| 08:19.58 | thms | daemon to start at boot, so I done update-rc.d rsync defaults |
| 08:20.12 | thms | But when I reboot it's not launched, I have to do: /etc/init.d/rsync start |
| 08:20.24 | thms | so that it is listening on port 873 |
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| 08:24.10 | fennesz | Hello ! Does anyone know how I can use my debian machine as ntp server to others? |
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| 08:41.38 | joelmo | can I find the reverse dependencies of a package through the web? |
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| 09:04.28 | teraflops | qmr: self hosting > cloud |
| 09:04.44 | FinalX | cloud is just "someone else's computer" |
| 09:05.27 | teraflops | FinalX: I only trust myself, and not always |
| 09:07.07 | FinalX | I have a few VPS's around the globe, quite the international network, which would not be possible (or at least not for anywhere that low amount of money) otherwise. At the same time, everything of importance runs on my server in a highly controlled datacenter in LXC-containers, with ZFS, LUKS etc :) |
| 09:07.23 | juul | why do some packages in apt not list their Source package? |
| 09:07.26 | juul | e.g. the acl package |
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| 09:08.03 | FinalX | some just don't have one, could be various reasons, like if a package is just a meta for another package, there's no point in a source package |
| 09:08.33 | FinalX | (as far as i know, anyway) |
| 09:08.52 | juul | ah yes that makes sense, but i don't think the acl package is a meta |
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| 09:09.39 | juul | it looks like it has a source package, since i can download it with `apt-get source acl` but when I do `apt-cache show acl` there is no Source field listed |
| 09:09.41 | juul | hm |
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| 09:09.56 | Iridos | but the acl package has files |
| 09:10.16 | juul | oh myabe it's not listed when the name of the source package is exactly the same as the name of the binary package? |
| 09:10.22 | Iridos | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/acl |
| 09:11.05 | Iridos | where do you see the source package listed anyway |
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| 09:12.00 | Iridos | oh, you mean like Package: libpoppler-cil // Source: poppler-sharp |
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| 09:13.02 | juul | Iridos: yeah! |
| 09:13.22 | juul | using `apt-cache show package-name` |
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| 09:16.35 | vvuja | hello |
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| 09:18.12 | vvuja | error: /etc/logrotate.d/vvujovic_logrotate:6 bad compress path /bin/bzip2 |
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| 09:18.19 | vvuja | anyone familiar with this error |
| 09:18.25 | vvuja | any solution |
| 09:18.30 | Iridos | juul, I also guess it only makes sense to show the source package name in that description if it differs from that of the binary package... you can always do apt-cache showsrc to get the description of the source package |
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| 09:19.04 | Iridos | vvuja, maybe you don't have bzip2 installed? |
| 09:19.10 | vvuja | yes it is there |
| 09:19.27 | vvuja | I just executed it |
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| 09:20.00 | Iridos | anyway... it's an error in line 6 of your self-written config in /etc/logrotate.d/vvujovic_logrotate |
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| 09:20.28 | vvuja | which says compresscmd /bin/bzip2 |
| 09:20.31 | vvuja | and it does not work |
| 09:20.36 | vvuja | and it is option of logrotate |
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| 09:24.27 | juul | Iridos: thanks! did no know about that command |
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| 09:25.06 | Iridos | vvuja, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;package=logrotate |
| 09:25.46 | Iridos | there's a pretty old bug #230519 from 2004 with bzip2 |
| 09:25.47 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/230519 in logrotate (closed, sid): «logrotate: changing compress command to bzip2 results in failed rotations»; severity: normal; opened: 2004-01-31; last modified: 2004-05-10. |
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| 09:26.56 | Iridos | heh. and one bug from 2001 when the feature was added |
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| 09:28.49 | Iridos | vvuja, hm. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=637510 ... try without full path? /bin should be in path anyway |
| 09:28.50 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/637510 in logrotate (closed): «logrotate: compresscmd non-functional»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-08-12; last modified: 2011-09-10. |
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| 09:44.39 | vvuja | solved |
| 09:44.43 | vvuja | upgraded version Iridos |
| 09:44.45 | vvuja | thanks |
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| 09:44.52 | vvuja | thanks judd Iridos |
| 09:44.57 | vvuja | upgraded version and solved the issue |
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| 09:56.46 | jjulian | hey, im doing a logging on iptables but cant find the entries. Im on debian and trying to find the logs. I normally find them in syslog or dmesg but both are empty. I can see the log rule is processing packages. any hints for me what am i missing? |
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| 10:00.36 | Walex | jjulian: you can setup a rule that says which level/facility to log to, and then you need to tell your variant of 'syslog' where to put that. |
| 10:01.26 | jjulian | im currently putting it on warning and iptables -A INPUT -j LOG --log-prefix "iptable: " --log-level 4 |
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| 10:04.52 | Walex | jjulian: the facility is 'kern' so it goes wherever 'kern.*' or 'kern.warning' goes |
| 10:05.06 | Walex | jjulian: but first check with 'dmesg | grep iptable:' |
| 10:05.16 | jjulian | completely empty |
| 10:05.36 | Walex | jjulian: then it is not logging... Another check is |
| 10:06.00 | Walex | jjulian: iptables -L -v -n | grep LOG |
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| 10:06.04 | jjulian | Walex: im trying a quick reboot as i played a lot iwht xt_LOG and nf_iplog_4 and so on maybe some module interferns |
| 10:06.17 | Walex | the first field is the count of how many times that rule was "hit" |
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| 10:06.20 | jjulian | Walex: im doing a watch -n 0.5 iptables -nvL |
| 10:06.27 | jjulian | and that show me lots of hits |
| 10:06.41 | Walex | iptables -L -v -n | grep LOG | sort -n |
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| 10:06.59 | Walex | jjulian: then 'dmesg' cannot be empty... |
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| 10:07.20 | jjulian | dmesg | grep iptables is "close" to empty. im just seeing a message about iptables has been loaded |
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| 10:09.55 | jjulian | Walex: iptables shows packets for the iptable rule '104 8736 LOG all -- * * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 LOG flags 0 level 4 prefix "iptable:"' |
| 10:10.05 | jjulian | but these seem to be not logged at all |
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| 10:12.55 | Walex | what matters is not the packets, but the counts, but I guess the count is non-zero too |
| 10:13.06 | Walex | jjulian: then check your 'klog' settings |
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| 10:13.45 | Walex | jjulian: actually I think nowadays they are in '/proc/sys/' |
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| 10:14.59 | jjulian | Walex: have to lines added to rsyslog.conf which both should hit the log from iptables. but looking for klog setting |
| 10:15.12 | Walex | jjulian: vague memory it is in /proc/sys/kernel/printk] |
| 10:15.46 | Walex | jjulian: and/or kernel command line parameter 'loglevel=' but I think it is the same |
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| 10:16.46 | jjulian | never heard about printk file but this is the contents: "4 4 1 7" |
| 10:17.57 | Walex | jjulian: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/13019/description-of-kernel-printk-values |
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| 10:19.09 | Walex | jjulian: also note that 'dmesg' has a finite size |
| 10:19.41 | Walex | jjulian: so check the config for your variant of 'syslog' for the destination of 'kern.' messages |
| 10:20.07 | jjulian | Walex: checked and configured rsyslog before |
| 10:20.52 | Walex | jjulian: my current guess is that your 'iptables' logging works, but either the messages are not currently being logged because the events that causes them don't happen, or the kernel is configured not to print them |
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| 10:22.25 | Walex | in 'rsyslog' I have two rules like 'kern.info /var/log/kern.log' and also ':msg,contains,"iptable" /var/log/iptables.log' |
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| 10:23.08 | Guest48762 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:23.42 | FinalX | well, that went well |
| 10:23.44 | jjulian | @Guest48762 you should be aware that we can see that :P |
| 10:24.02 | Guest48762 | hi |
| 10:24.05 | teraflops | nah I cannot believe that's a mistake |
| 10:24.13 | FinalX | at least it's a better password than my boss had |
| 10:24.21 | FinalX | he uses shit like ComfyChair2014 |
| 10:24.35 | jjulian | Walex: i have nearly the same lines |
| 10:24.42 | FinalX | ok, well, nick in password is somewhat debatable as better.. |
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| 10:25.19 | jjulian | Walex: â:msg, contains, "iptable" /var/log/iptables.logâ âkern.* /var/log/iptables.logâ before it was kern.warning and kern.info |
| 10:25.50 | jjulian | Walex: added more rules on different log levels like 4, 7 and one to see if that makes a difference but it does not. packet counts are raising but unable to find an output |
| 10:26.38 | jjulian | Walex: of course restarted rsyslog after changes took place :P |
| 10:27.21 | Guest48762 | i installed the amd microcode package but I still get this error here: http://paste.debian.net/712935/ |
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| 10:30.01 | uniTosch | Guest48762 you should change your password. |
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| 10:32.25 | teraflops | Guest48762: please remove the spaces before "/" |
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| 10:35.57 | deepblue__ | I installed the amd microcode package and I still get this error: http://paste.debian.net/712935/ |
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| 10:39.12 | Walex | jjulian: hard to say, but note that you have to look at the rule hit count, no the packet count |
| 10:39.58 | Walex | jjulian: change also the 'printk' levels to ensure the log messages go to 'dmesg' |
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| 10:41.19 | callkalpa | Hi can someone point me to the commons-httpclient that is being used in debian? |
| 10:41.33 | MaBunny | are there any programs to read .chm files in linux??? |
| 10:41.48 | Walex | MaBunny: yes |
| 10:41.51 | bazhang | ,v chmsee |
| 10:41.52 | judd | Package: chmsee on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.1.0-1 |
| 10:42.00 | MaBunny | ok thnx |
| 10:42.08 | bazhang | thats just one |
| 10:42.37 | bazhang | apt-cache search comic in the terminal |
| 10:42.38 | MaBunny | no...are there any graphical ones...and one terminal too pls :) |
| 10:42.43 | MaBunny | ok |
| 10:43.48 | MaBunny | ok...comix is a graphical one i guess??? |
| 10:43.49 | themill | ,i kchmviewer |
| 10:43.50 | judd | Package kchmviewer (kde, optional) in jessie/amd64: CHM viewer for KDE. Version: 6.0-1; Size: 192.0k; Installed: 771k; Homepage: http://www.kchmviewer.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/kchmviewer |
| 10:44.14 | MaBunny | no...i dont want to download KDE software |
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| 10:44.45 | themill | Nice work, ask for suggestions then reject every suggestion you're given. |
| 10:44.46 | Walex | MaBunny: there are several, and you can do web searches or searches through packages.debian.org |
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| 10:45.28 | MaBunny | themill: srry but it will take up unnescessary space in my disk and im on a 16gb pendrive |
| 10:45.46 | MaBunny | but thnx guys :) |
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| 10:46.41 | MaBunny | guys apt-cache search chmsee doesnt giv a result |
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| 10:48.55 | jelly | MaBunny: that's probably because it does not exist in the current release any more |
| 10:49.07 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 10:51.29 | bazhang | MaBunny, apt-cache search comic |
| 10:51.40 | MaBunny | yeah doing it |
| 10:51.49 | bazhang | MaBunny, thats what was given you |
| 10:51.55 | MaBunny | apt-get install |
| 10:52.00 | bazhang | no |
| 10:52.01 | MaBunny | :D |
| 10:52.10 | MaBunny | ?? |
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| 10:53.15 | MaBunny | is the package name comic...or comix??? |
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| 10:53.54 | bazhang | MaBunny, the apt-cache search term, looks for things related to COMICS |
| 10:54.06 | MaBunny | ok... |
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| 10:54.24 | bazhang | MaBunny, so do it exactly as I wrote it |
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| 10:57.10 | MaBunny | it gives comix as a sugg....but nothing chm related |
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| 10:57.43 | bazhang | MaBunny, and that was explained just moments ago |
| 10:57.57 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 10:58.03 | bazhang | MaBunny, its still in the scroll, a few lines up |
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| 10:58.35 | MaBunny | cbrpager??? |
| 10:59.40 | MaBunny | imma complete fool |
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| 11:06.11 | bazhang | MaBunny, a two second search 'best comic book readers for linux' would yield more results than you spent here |
| 11:06.35 | MaBunny | no...found one...xchm |
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| 11:16.11 | jelly | what does .chm have to do with comic books anyway |
| 11:16.46 | MaBunny | ok its good one...xchm |
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| 12:22.53 | TomyWork | how can i make dpkg show the output of the postinst script as it happens? |
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| 12:23.33 | TomyWork | i know there's output and i know it would help me diagnose stuff |
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| 12:38.52 | ksk | TomyWork: edit the package/postinst to echo $foo you need? dont know a "verbose" mode or somethink like that.. |
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| 12:39.29 | TomyWork | ksk well there seems to be some funky buffering going on |
| 12:39.45 | TomyWork | or maybe the process invoked by the postinst really is that slow... |
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| 12:42.54 | TomyWork | yes, it was |
| 12:43.05 | TomyWork | proxy issue :) |
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| 12:49.37 | amitprakash | What should be the install prefix for applications I am compiling myself? |
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| 12:50.15 | amitprakash | I tried installing the binary and shared libraries to /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/lib respectively, which however leads to the executable not being able to find the shared library |
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| 12:51.28 | ksk | interesting question amitprakash :) I have that Issue myself, I just added a LD_PRELOAD or sth like that to my call of that /usr/local/bin binary evrery time I call it now (Does happen rather never.) |
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| 12:52.15 | amitprakash | ksk, that is not a solution though :P more of a hack |
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| 12:54.56 | ksk | cant a solution be a series of hacks, no? You are right of course, thats why Im eager for an answer on your question :) |
| 12:54.58 | amitprakash | ksk, whats odd that /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf already specifies /usr/local/lib |
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| 12:55.34 | ksk | yep, thats as far as I got, by default / as I understand it /usr/local/lib is already included.. |
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| 12:56.22 | amitprakash | ksk, and ldconfig -p even shows up the library in question |
| 12:57.02 | amitprakash | ksk, however, without LD_PRELOAD=<path_to_so> or LD_LIBRARY_PATH being exported, the binary is still unable to find the shared lib o.O |
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| 12:58.40 | Walex | amitprakash: your choice is correct. your loader should find the library. |
| 12:59.30 | Walex | amitprakash: check 'man ldconfig' and make sure that your library has the right suffix |
| 13:00.43 | Walex | amitprakash: also remember the difference between ".so" and ".so.V.R" suffixes. |
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| 13:00.57 | amitprakash | aye aye |
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| 13:01.18 | amitprakash | Walex, this is very odd, I specified LD_PRELOAD once, then rebooted |
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| 13:01.35 | amitprakash | Don't need to specify LD_PRELOAD or LD_LIBRARY_PATH any more |
| 13:01.52 | Walex | amitprakash: maybe 'ldconfig' happened. |
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| 13:02.09 | amitprakash | Oh yes it did |
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| 13:02.16 | amitprakash | Do I have to run that post installation of library? |
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| 13:04.33 | amitprakash | I guess i do! |
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| 13:07.33 | sivang | hi all. |
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| 13:09.38 | sivang | I've been an Ubuntu user / develoepr for a while, I'm going back to using Debian this days (+KDE). Where would be the web page to read about changes and improvements doing devops server and desktop user on Ubuntu to Deiban? (one notable change that was hard to miss was systemd for instance) |
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| 13:09.43 | sivang | ? |
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| 13:12.25 | R1ck | I get the message "Failed to start ntp.service: Transaction is destructive." when doing an apt-get install ntp - does anybody know what that means and why this makes the install fail? |
| 13:12.55 | jmcnaught | sivang: You're maybe looking for the release notes? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ |
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| 13:16.46 | FinalX | R1ck: I see these kinds of things with systemd: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1441253 |
| 13:16.59 | FinalX | The error comes from systemd, not ntp |
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| 13:19.14 | jjulian | Walex: just wanted to thank you for your time, even if i haven't found the issue, i feel less stupid :P i gave up as iptables won't help me at all. i was some layers to high to block that traffic |
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| 13:21.54 | R1ck | FinalX: yeah, found that thread too |
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| 13:52.26 | sivang | jmcnaught: also for stuff that has changed over the course of years that affect management and customization of the system. |
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| 13:55.09 | frostie | in the package updater, among the packages that will be updated it says "bpo8+1" after the upgrade what does that mean? |
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| 13:56.42 | sivang | jmcnaught: been using Ubuntu for a long while now.. |
| 13:56.49 | jmcnaught | sivang: the release notes have the highlights. you could also read the changelogs and news files for individual packages. |
| 13:57.09 | jmcnaught | sivang: you'll probably want to read the release notes for a few releases then |
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| 13:58.13 | sivang | jmcnaught: Yes, I see they are quite exhaustive and contain useful links to further elaboration about the changes. |
| 13:58.35 | hever | Hello logrotate says it's copying my logfile but it doesn't copy the file... what could happened? |
| 13:58.43 | sivang | jmcnaught: for example, I also noticed installing in EC2 cloud that the default user there is 'admin' vs. 'ubuntu' in ubuntu. |
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| 13:59.09 | sivang | jmcnaught: thanks. |
| 13:59.11 | jmcnaught | sivang: that sounds more like an amazon customization |
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| 14:00.15 | frostie | linux image base package, linux-base-4.0 bpo8+1? the kernel in debian is what i understand 3.16 or have yall upgraded the kernel? |
| 14:00.34 | sivang | jmcnaught: ah, makes sense, no other use of it outside the cloudinit config as it seems. |
| 14:03.11 | FinalX | hever: perhaps it's not running as root, but as a mortal user, and the user doesn't have access to the directory? filesystem full? |
| 14:04.19 | TomTomTosch | frostie: the bpo8+1 just means the package is from jessie-backports |
| 14:04.21 | zykotick9 | frostie: bpo is Backports... you have installed the newer kernel from there |
| 14:05.04 | frostie | is it ok to upgrade from backports when it wants to update? if updates is there |
| 14:05.43 | TomTomTosch | frostie: i don't understand your question. it's okay to install packages from backports if you need to. |
| 14:05.47 | FinalX | could be bugfixes/general improvements, or just added features. usually it's worth upgrading. |
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| 14:06.18 | hever | FinalX, I'm running it via sudo and I (and logrotate itself) validated the permissions |
| 14:06.33 | TomTomTosch | frostie: you probably shouldn't to and upgrade with -t jessie-backports though, if that's what you meant. |
| 14:06.52 | frostie | i did read an article on the debian wiki about dont break debian that said mix old versions (that comes in debian) with new versions isnt that good |
| 14:07.00 | somiaj | frostie: I wouldn't, jessie-backport packages are not tested as well as the debian main packages, don't get as good of security support. So I wouldn't just 'upgrade to jessie-backports version'. Only install the packages you know you need from backports. |
| 14:07.28 | somiaj | frostie: jessie-backports is designed to work with jessie, so it is okay to install packages from there. But I wouldn't just upgrade all packages to jessie-backport versions. |
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| 14:08.26 | frostie | is there a way to disable the backport repo so it wont upgrade with the system |
| 14:08.29 | frostie | ? |
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| 14:09.07 | somiaj | frostie: by default jessie-backports is pinned lower than jessie, so packages will not upgrade to the jessie-backports version on their own. |
| 14:09.28 | somiaj | frostie: once you install a package from jessie-backports, apt will keep it at the newest version in jessie-backports though. You don't have to do anything for this. |
| 14:10.02 | somiaj | frostie: i.e. apt-get upgrade won't pull things in from jessie-backports unless you have already told it to for certain package(s) |
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| 14:15.23 | hathor008 | I have a folder with a bunch of files in it and a shell script that launches the application, does anyone have an example of how to build this into a .deb? My tarball is here: https://github.com/SoundGoddess/OpenSolitaire/releases/download/0.9.2/OpenSolitaire.Classic.0.9.2.Linux.tgz |
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| 14:15.48 | WormFood | hhhmmm...I was wondering how well a raid1, with one of the "drives" being a ramdisk would work. Have any of you guys ever tried that before? |
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| 14:16.01 | JZA | hi I want to harden my apache security on debian, I am running my site as root on /var/www I wonder how can I adjust my site to nobody |
| 14:16.06 | WormFood | hathor008, there are instructions on the web, for creating your own .deb packages. |
| 14:16.08 | JZA | without breaking my site. |
| 14:16.36 | WormFood | JZA, what distro? |
| 14:16.43 | JZA | this is how I currently is my site: http://dpaste.com/0H6HTKZ |
| 14:16.45 | hathor008 | yeah i'm googling for examples just haven't found what i'm looking for yet |
| 14:17.04 | JZA | Debian 7.10 |
| 14:17.15 | JZA | Apache 2.22 |
| 14:17.17 | WormFood | so, you changed the default web user, to root? |
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| 14:17.34 | JZA | well the default is root. |
| 14:17.40 | JZA | I want to change it to something else |
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| 14:17.46 | WormFood | That is why I asked what distro you're using. |
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| 14:17.50 | han-solo | he said, debian |
| 14:17.53 | JZA | Debian 7.10 |
| 14:17.53 | gox39 | hi people, I have the following board http://www.ebay.de/itm/Synertron-CV860-3R80-VIA-C3-EBGA-800Mhz-Motherboard-System-Board-/361045844637 I was able to install debian with no issues, when I reboot and the board tries to access grub and the board resets... any ideas why? |
| 14:17.56 | WormFood | The default is not root |
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| 14:18.00 | JZA | umm.. |
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| 14:18.15 | WormFood | And, why would you want to change it to nobody? It seems you don't truly understand security. |
| 14:18.35 | JZA | WormFood: so what are you saying is that is ok to be root? |
| 14:18.53 | WormFood | You're not running it as root. Did you even investigate the configuration files? |
| 14:19.04 | WormFood | You should be running as www-data, if you didn't change it. |
| 14:19.06 | JZA | yes, I couldnt find a user tag |
| 14:19.18 | JZA | well some are www-data, but should the user be www-data as well? |
| 14:19.42 | themill | files â web server |
| 14:19.43 | WormFood | What it should be? That depends on what you're trying to accomplish. |
| 14:20.02 | JZA | WormFood: which is the default user? |
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| 14:20.41 | themill | !www-data |
| 14:20.41 | dpkg | In Debian, web servers normally run as the "www-data" user. Web content should not be owned by this user, or a compromised web server would be able to rewrite a web site. Data written out by web servers will be owned by www-data. See /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz and http://webapps-common.alioth.debian.org/draft/html/ |
| 14:20.41 | WormFood | I make root own a majority of the files in my websites, with permissions where nobody can change them. I have some directories setup to be owned by www-data, so that web server processes (php or whatever) can write to those directories. |
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| 14:21.29 | WormFood | And yes, you start Apache as root, so you can bind to port 80, and anything else it needs to do as root, but it switches users as soon as it can, and becomes a regular user at that point. |
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| 14:22.04 | JZA | "For historical reasons, the Apache runs as a user named www-data. This is somewhat misleading since normally, the files in the ?DocumentRoot (/var/www) should not be owned or writable by that user. To find files with wrong permissions, use: " |
| 14:22.09 | JZA | find /var/www ! -type l \( -perm /o=w -o -perm /g=w -group www-data \) |
| 14:22.41 | WormFood | JZA, are you following some tutorial somewhere on the web? |
| 14:22.54 | JZA | thisis from the wiki.debian.org |
| 14:22.57 | JZA | https://wiki.debian.org/Apache/Hardening |
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| 14:23.22 | WormFood | was that in response to my question? |
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| 14:23.56 | WormFood | JZA, what made you feel, your apache user should be nobody? |
| 14:24.14 | JZA | I never said that it should be nobody, actually I never even type the word nobody |
| 14:24.35 | JZA | you did |
| 14:24.48 | themill | [00:16] <JZA> hi I want to harden my apache security on debian, I am running my site as root on /var/www I wonder how can I adjust my site to nobody |
| 14:24.51 | WormFood | [22:16:02] <JZA> hi I want to harden my apache security on debian, I am running my site as root on /var/www I wonder how can I adjust my site to nobody <-- first thing you said |
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| 14:25.33 | Ooze | REKT |
| 14:25.39 | JZA | so what should I assign it to |
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| 14:25.57 | romgo | Hello |
| 14:26.14 | gox39 | hi people, I have the following board http://www.ebay.de/itm/Synertron-CV860-3R80-VIA-C3-EBGA-800Mhz-Motherboard-System-Board-/361045844637 I was able to install debian with no issues, when I reboot and the board tries to access grub and the board resets... any ideas why? |
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| 14:26.48 | romgo | I am trying to troubleshoot some apache2 segfault when user connect with ssl certificate. I follow the readme /usr/share//doc/apache2/README.backtrace but apache2 is not generating any core files. |
| 14:26.53 | romgo | any idea why ? |
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| 14:27.17 | JZA | any idea? |
| 14:27.36 | WormFood | JZA, you never answered my last 2 questions. |
| 14:27.47 | JZA | WormFood: which are? |
| 14:27.52 | JZA | I said the debian version |
| 14:28.00 | WormFood | 1. are you following some tutorial somewhere on the web? 2. why did you feel you needed to change your user to nobody? |
| 14:28.07 | winterss | yea |
| 14:28.09 | winterss | im here |
| 14:28.13 | JZA | WormFood: no, and I just asked. |
| 14:28.22 | winterss | not going anywhere |
| 14:29.06 | themill | JZA: anything other than www-data is entirely fine; the choice depends on who and how you are planning to work with your files |
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| 14:29.42 | WormFood | it depends on the user. Running as root is extremely foolish. |
| 14:29.46 | JZA | well I have a vhost on my ~/ which I tried to run it as my own user, but generated all type of errors from accessing the folders. |
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| 14:30.29 | JZA | WormFood: so which one should you run as? or rather what are the chances that doing a chwon -R someuser /var/www/* will break the site for permission issues. |
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| 14:30.43 | JZA | *chown |
| 14:30.46 | WormFood | JZA, not to sound like a jerk, but you need to learn how to ask for help. You're asking questions that are totally unrelated to what you're trying to accomplish. |
| 14:31.06 | JZA | didnt you said that running as root is extremely foolish? |
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| 14:31.29 | WormFood | If you want user directories on ~, then there are predefined configurations that you just need to enable to make it work. |
| 14:31.29 | themill | but you're not |
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| 14:32.20 | JZA | WormFood: the directory is running fine, the permissions on the other side, just were able to run as root which of course I want to fix. |
| 14:32.37 | JZA | I guess, I could change it to www-data |
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| 14:32.43 | WormFood | cat /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf |
| 14:32.52 | WormFood | you need to learn about permissions. |
| 14:33.00 | WormFood | It seems you understand ownership |
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| 14:33.32 | WormFood | have you enabled the userdir configuration? |
| 14:34.16 | JZA | no I am not using nor I want to use userdir |
| 14:34.29 | JZA | I just running another host |
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| 14:34.35 | JZA | and like I said, it runs fine. |
| 14:34.57 | JZA | but as long as the files were on root. |
| 14:35.06 | JZA | *own |
| 14:35.13 | WormFood | It's not clear to me what exactly you're trying to accomplish. |
| 14:35.33 | JZA | avoid permission issues |
| 14:35.38 | WormFood | chmod -R 777 /path/to/web/dir/public_html |
| 14:35.44 | abrotman | eh, what no |
| 14:35.48 | abrotman | don't do that |
| 14:35.51 | sypher | JZA: You're not really understanding things. The process runs as www-data. The files can be owned by root. That means that the running apache process cannot modify your web files. |
| 14:36.04 | sypher | WormFood: That was sarcasm. I hope. |
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| 14:36.23 | FinalX | while you're at it, do a chown -R nobody /. |
| 14:36.41 | FinalX | (no, really, don't do that... :P) |
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| 14:37.18 | gox39 | hi people, I have the following board http://www.ebay.de/itm/Synertron-CV860-3R80-VIA-C3-EBGA-800Mhz-Motherboard-System-Board-/361045844637 I was able to install debian with no issues, when I reboot and the board tries to access grub and the board resets... any ideas why? |
| 14:37.46 | FinalX | he's gone now, but a much safer one I like is this btw: chmod -R u=rwX,go=rX /path/to/public_html |
| 14:37.56 | abrotman | gox39: which version of Debian did you install? |
| 14:38.07 | gox39 | the current stable one |
| 14:38.58 | abrotman | gox39: You booted the i386 installer, which probably uses the -486 kernel. I wonder if the installer then installed the -686 ? |
| 14:39.20 | romgo | I am trying to troubleshoot some apache2 segfault when user connect with ssl certificate. I follow the readme /usr/share//doc/apache2/README.backtrace but apache2 is not generating any core files. |
| 14:39.32 | abrotman | gox39: you can probably tell from the grub prompt |
| 14:39.44 | WormFood | romgo, did you install the debug version of apache? |
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| 14:40.32 | WormFood | apache2-dbg most likely is what you want |
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| 14:40.40 | JyZyXEL | does the Intel i915 graphics driver use Mesa? |
| 14:40.51 | gox39 | abrotman: I installed openbsd with no problems, and it boots off with no issues? in debian it resets right after the post bios when it tries to start grub |
| 14:41.02 | abrotman | oh, you don't even see Grub? |
| 14:41.07 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: yes |
| 14:41.24 | JyZyXEL | i noticed there is a couple of years newer mesa in jessie-backports |
| 14:41.27 | gox39 | abrotman: no, not even the blue boot selection menu |
| 14:42.09 | abrotman | gox39: If available, I'd try to update the BIOS to start .. Otherwise, boot the installer into a liveCD, see if you can see which version of packages it installed |
| 14:42.49 | gox39 | abrotman: what is the command to run in the terminal? |
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| 14:42.56 | abrotman | run what? |
| 14:43.23 | gox39 | to see which packages it installed |
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| 15:28.45 | okee | Do I need to exclude proc and sys in a tarball used for migrating from one hard disk to another? http://www.techrepublic.com/article/solutionbase-moving-linux-from-one-disk-to-another/ |
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| 15:29.50 | thurstylark | okee: it isn't needed on the target machine, and it will be automatically overwritten/mounted over on the target machine, so no you don't need to include them. |
| 15:29.58 | thurstylark | it won't hurt anything if you do, though :P |
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| 16:15.20 | tmh1999 | HI, I have a question and hope some guru here could help me out :) Is there any *good* gui firewall application that can config rule (blocking, allowing...) for applications in debian. I am looking at gufw and fwbuilder, but it seems they are not as good as those like susefirewall2 or gui tool on redhat. |
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| 16:20.26 | tmh1999 | gfuw can only work on port-based, not application-based |
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| 16:26.02 | rozie | tmh1999: don't know if this will help, but often shorewall is mentionded as gui for firewall |
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| 16:27.01 | rozie | and I believe you cannot make rules by application |
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| 16:27.10 | rozie | only port or user is allowed AFAIK |
| 16:28.43 | Iridos | the apf-firewall package lists "application based network filtering policies applied" |
| 16:29.03 | Iridos | but that needs a kernel patch? |
| 16:29.41 | jhutchins | Is /boot on LVM supported? |
| 16:30.06 | tmh1999 | rozia : this one support application based http://douaneapp.com/ |
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| 16:31.25 | tmh1999 | first comment on this reddit post kills it ... https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/245i33/douane_personal_firewall_open_sourced |
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| 16:33.32 | Iridos | jhutchins, maybe, maybe not on the other hand... does it hurt to have 1 or 2 G on a separate /boot |
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| 16:44.23 | bytecounter | Hi, I am trying to add a service to systemd. I can start the service by systemctl start but if the machine is rebootet the service don't start automaticaly. This is my service file: http://paste.debian.net/712985/ |
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| 16:50.40 | Iridos | bytecounter, it requires itself? |
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| 16:51.00 | Dunams | . |
| 16:51.20 | Dunams | I'm unable to start x server after downgrading from kernel 4.5 to 3.16 |
| 16:51.24 | Iridos | and starts after itself? |
| 16:51.29 | Dunams | tried purging everything and reinstalling, nothing |
| 16:51.57 | Dunams | when I boot i get to tty1, and when I try to startx i get an error for displays not found or something of that sort |
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| 16:53.00 | bytecounter | No, it requires docker.service. Why do you think it requires itself? |
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| 16:54.48 | Dunams | anyone ? :< |
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| 16:55.44 | jim | Dunams, do you still have the 4.5 kernel installed? |
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| 16:56.12 | jhutchins | Iridos: Documentation from 2006 says it may not be supported, ca kernel 2.6. |
| 16:56.15 | Dunams | jim, no I removed it |
| 16:56.33 | jim | how did youdo that |
| 16:56.35 | jim | ? |
| 16:56.49 | Dunams | aptitude purge *name of the package* |
| 16:56.52 | Iridos | jhutchins, mine last ones were encrypted anyway... |
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| 16:57.15 | Iridos | jhutchins, but I have lost faith that you can just put boot stuff anywhere on disk and it'll work |
| 16:57.20 | jim | ok... did it take other packages besides the linux-image package? |
| 16:57.30 | jmcnaught | bytecounter: "systemctl enable <service>" to make it start at boot |
| 16:57.32 | jhutchins | Dunams: Check for configuration files in /etc/X11/conf and conf.d |
| 16:57.48 | bytecounter | jmcnaught: I did this |
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| 16:57.59 | Dunams | jhutchins, there are no configuration files, but xserver doesn't need them to start, right? |
| 16:57.59 | teraflops | Dunams: it's about your graphics card but you didn't say which driver are you using |
| 16:58.09 | Dunams | jim, don't think so |
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| 16:58.30 | jmcnaught | bytecounter: what does "systemctl status <service>" say? |
| 16:58.34 | Dunams | teraflops, ati radeon 280x is the gpu, i removed the drivers as well to see if there's any difference |
| 16:58.44 | Dunams | is there any IRC client for shell that has colors? |
| 16:58.53 | bytecounter | dmesg shows me an error: Cannot add dependency job for unit redis.service, ignoring: Unit redis.service failed to load: No such file or directory |
| 16:58.55 | teraflops | Dunams: irssi, weechat |
| 16:58.58 | Dunams | i's pretty hard to recgonize when someone writes me |
| 16:59.00 | blind | Dunams: irssi does |
| 16:59.06 | Dunams | sec, brb |
| 16:59.09 | Dunams | exit |
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| 16:59.35 | bytecounter | Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) |
| 16:59.44 | jim | Dunams, you might want to check the logs to see what happened (guessing is likely to misinform) |
| 17:00.15 | jim | t |
| 17:00.43 | jmcnaught | bytecounter: where did you put the service unit? |
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| 17:02.32 | bytecounter | I created it in /usr/local/serviced/. Then I did: "systemctl enable /usr/local/serviced/redis.service" |
| 17:03.00 | teraflops | bytecounter: may I ask why did you put the file there? |
| 17:03.09 | jmcnaught | bytecounter: see "man systemd.unit" for where systemd looks for unit files. the place you want to put it is /etc/systemd/system |
| 17:03.52 | bytecounter | Debian adds symlinks to /etc/systemd/system und /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants |
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| 17:04.06 | bytecounter | Also the file is owned by root and executable |
| 17:04.10 | jim | is root@ quieted here? |
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| 17:04.24 | Dunamsi | hi again |
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| 17:04.40 | Dunamsi | much better now |
| 17:04.55 | jmcnaught | bytecounter: service units don't need to be executable. read that man page, try putting the unit in the proper place |
| 17:05.00 | jim | Dunamsi, maybe because you were root@ before, it could be that's quieted here |
| 17:05.35 | Dunamsi | jim, oh |
| 17:05.57 | bytecounter | I moved the file. Now waiting for reboot |
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| 17:06.33 | Dunamsi | jim, I removed the ati drivers, removed xorg, xserver, reinstalled xorg and xserver, no configurations |
| 17:06.37 | Dunamsi | xserver doesn't start |
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| 17:07.29 | jhutchins | Iridos: Grub2 can boot from LVM, Grub Legacy can not. Don't know about LILO |
| 17:08.11 | Dunamsi | could it be some kernel configurations? because before i upgraded to 4.5 i had xserver working fine on 3.16 |
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| 17:08.19 | Dunamsi | now after downgrading it doesn't start |
| 17:08.21 | jim | Dunamsi, lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 17:08.33 | jim | should be one line, just put it here |
| 17:08.38 | teraflops | bytecounter: ati drivers? |
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| 17:08.55 | teraflops | err*^ sorry |
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| 17:09.21 | bytecounter | Now it works, thank you! But I saw, that the original debian services are in /lib/systemd/system and for them are symlinks in /etc/systemd/system |
| 17:09.33 | Dunamsi | jim, no output |
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| 17:10.07 | bytecounter | So it will be great, if I can put my custom services to a own directory and create also a symlink |
| 17:10.14 | Dunamsi | jim, sorry i typo |
| 17:10.15 | Dunamsi | sec |
| 17:10.21 | jmcnaught | bytecounter: /lib/systemd/system is where service units from packages live. sysadmin local service units belong in /etc |
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| 17:10.47 | Dunamsi | jim, radeon 7970 / r9 280x as I said |
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| 17:10.55 | teraflops | bytecounter: if you create a custom systemd unit is fine to put in in /usr/lib/systemd but if you create one that overrides an existing one /etc/systemd is the right location since it get not overwritten by a upgrade |
| 17:11.00 | Dunamsi | i can't copy past it exactly since i don't have gui so not sure exactly how to lol |
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| 17:11.07 | jim | Dunamsi, post the exact text of the line |
| 17:11.19 | teraflops | doesn't get* |
| 17:11.21 | jim | or |
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| 17:11.44 | jim | you see the thign that looks like [1234:abcd]? |
| 17:12.10 | Dunamsi | [1002:6798] |
| 17:12.11 | Dunamsi | that? |
| 17:12.15 | jim | yep |
| 17:12.23 | bytecounter | ok, perfect. I put them to /usr/lib/systemd. Thank's a lot! |
| 17:12.36 | jim | ,pciid [1002:6798] |
| 17:12.37 | judd | [1002:6798] is 'Tahiti XT [Radeon HD 7970/8970 OEM / R9 280X]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6798 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 17:13.03 | jmcnaught | bytecounter: i still wouldn't put them in /usr. /usr (except for /usr/local) is for files owned by packages. /etc is where local config stuff is supposed to go |
| 17:13.55 | Dunamsi | jim, so i'm missing some kernal modules? |
| 17:13.57 | jhutchins | Dunamsi: See GPM for console mouse functions. |
| 17:14.03 | bytecounter | ah....I move it back to etc ;-) |
| 17:14.05 | simonlnu | kernel |
| 17:14.13 | Dunamsi | kernel yeah |
| 17:14.39 | teraflops | bytecounter: the service unit file is ok where it is right now. don't jut move the file, if you change the location disable an re enable the service so the symlinks get generated again |
| 17:14.40 | jim | I wonder if the old radeon module doesn't support your current card |
| 17:14.53 | jmcnaught | bytecounter: if all of your local configuration is in /etc it's easier to back it up, or use etckeeper |
| 17:15.09 | jim | what was the reason you downgraded? |
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| 17:15.41 | Dunamsi | jim, openGL wouldn't function on 4.5, couldn't get desktop effects |
| 17:15.59 | jmcnaught | jim: Dunamsi: "man radeon" shows a list of cards supported by radeon driver. If moving from fglrx to radeon, it might be necessary to remove a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ that blacklists the radeon module from loading |
| 17:16.04 | Dunamsi | but before I upgraded I had effects but had some glitches that's why I tried to upgrade to 4.5 |
| 17:16.40 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: Ah, good point. I had been thinking of /etc/X11 config files, especially hiding in conf.d |
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| 17:16.59 | Dunamsi | jmcnaught, which one? there are several files there |
| 17:17.00 | jim | Dunamsi, so you were originally running 3.16? |
| 17:17.06 | Dunamsi | jim, yes |
| 17:17.08 | jmcnaught | Dunamsi: look for one that mentions radeon |
| 17:17.40 | jim | did you remove the 3.16 and then more recently install another? |
| 17:17.42 | jhutchins | Dunamsi: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, dmesg | less |
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| 17:18.51 | jim | I'm quite redundant here, you're in good hands with jhutchins |
| 17:19.33 | jim | at least now we know exactly what happened over time |
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| 17:20.58 | jim | Dunamsi, also, you can apt-get install nopaste and then you'd be able to do things like dmesg | nopaste, etc |
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| 17:22.18 | markybob | i assume he meant pnopaste |
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| 17:23.16 | Dunamsi | i removed the blacklist for radeon |
| 17:23.30 | Dunamsi | i commented out the blacklisting in the file |
| 17:23.35 | Dunamsi | should I try to reboot now? |
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| 17:24.21 | jim | well try startx to see if it comes up now |
| 17:24.56 | Dunamsi | caught signal 11 (segmentation fault) |
| 17:25.15 | jim | any idea what segfaulted? |
| 17:25.33 | Dunamsi | actually that happens when I try to xorg -configure |
| 17:25.45 | Dunamsi | when i try to startx i still get no screens found |
| 17:26.14 | markybob | you still need to modprobe the module that was blacklisted or just reboot |
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| 17:26.23 | jim | do you have a config file somewhere (where do they go, /etc/X11?) |
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| 17:28.07 | Dunamsi | jim, no config file |
| 17:28.19 | Dunamsi | so i guess i'll give reboot a try |
| 17:28.27 | Dunamsi | brb |
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| 17:34.26 | Matumaros | Hi, I already asked over the last week or so, I need help to get my ISY M300 Mini Wireless Adapter to work |
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| 17:35.08 | Matumaros | I got a long cable, so it's temporarily connected with the repeater (but it doesn't seem to work either), I tried with 2 cables already |
| 17:35.21 | zykotick9 | this isn't really a problem, but I'd be curious as to the why... i can't launch tor browser (bin dropped into a /opt subdirectory) from outside that direcotry. a success / fail / success log http://paste.debian.net/713024/ |
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| 17:35.59 | jim | Matumaros, how many lines do you get when you ... lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 17:36.14 | Dunamsi | now it seems i can only use recovery mode |
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| 17:36.39 | Dunamsi | the screen just remains black now on startx |
| 17:36.42 | Matumaros | jim: one |
| 17:36.56 | Dunamsi | like it's getting no signal |
| 17:36.59 | jim | Matumaros, ok, show that line |
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| 17:37.37 | jmcnaught | Dunamsi: you were only able to boot into recovery mode? |
| 17:38.12 | jim | Matumaros, still there? |
| 17:38.13 | Matumaros | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Networ Connection [8086:1503] (rev 04) |
| 17:38.24 | jim | thanks |
| 17:38.25 | Dunamsi | jmcnaught, yes, well if i boot into normal mode now instead of going into tty1, i suppose it's trying to start the x server |
| 17:38.31 | Dunamsi | but now the screen just remains black |
| 17:38.32 | jim | ,pciid [8086:1503] |
| 17:38.32 | Matumaros | jim: yeah, I just had to type it off, because I have no connection on the other computer :P |
| 17:38.33 | judd | [8086:1503] is '82579V Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e1000e', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1503 |
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| 17:39.01 | jim | that's a wired eth? |
| 17:39.08 | Matumaros | yes |
| 17:39.09 | jmcnaught | Dunamsi: can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net for people to see? |
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| 17:39.27 | Matumaros | jim: when I unplug the cable the same line shows though |
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| 17:39.59 | jim | Matumaros, when you do ifconfig, does it show a paragraph for eth0 (or ethN)? |
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| 17:40.26 | Matumaros | jim: eth0 |
| 17:40.40 | jim | ok, so your eth0 would seem to be up |
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| 17:41.07 | jim | also, there does not seem to be a wireless |
| 17:41.22 | Matumaros | jim: yes, that is what I wanted to configure |
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| 17:41.52 | Matumaros | jim: last time (before I installed this system) I got it to work with these commands: |
| 17:42.01 | Matumaros | modprobe rtl8192cu |
| 17:42.01 | Matumaros | echo "050d 21f2" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id |
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| 17:43.06 | jim | what happens when you do the modprobe, and ifconfig -a? how many paragraphs do you get, and for which interfaces |
| 17:43.07 | jim | ? |
| 17:43.39 | Matumaros | jim: hang on |
| 17:44.15 | Matumaros | jim: without the echo stuff? I get one eth0 and one lo |
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| 17:44.41 | jim | did the modprobe output anything? |
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| 17:44.52 | Matumaros | jim: no |
| 17:45.09 | jim | ok, try the echo |
| 17:45.14 | jim | any output? |
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| 17:46.31 | Matumaros | jim: no, ifconfig -a is still the same too |
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| 17:47.35 | jim | ok, so the device is still not recognized... look at the bottom few lines of the output of dmesg... anything interesting? |
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| 17:48.09 | Matumaros | jim: the idea last time was to force the driver, so I could install a newer backport kernel, at least that's what I think |
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| 17:49.03 | Matumaros | jim: at the bottom it says "rtlwifi: Loading alternative firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin |
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| 17:49.34 | Matumaros | jim: oh wait, it says more related to that |
| 17:49.51 | Matumaros | 2 times failed to load it |
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| 17:50.09 | Matumaros | "Direct firmware loadd failed with error -2" |
| 17:50.16 | jim | ok, so it did not load that alternative firmware file? |
| 17:50.36 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x this page has instructions for this issue |
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| 17:51.21 | jim | which debian do you have? |
| 17:51.27 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: thanks :) |
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| 17:51.37 | Matumaros | jim: the newest Jessie Stable |
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| 17:51.53 | Matumaros | 64 bit, I think |
| 17:52.30 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: well, that doesn't work because I have no internet on that machine :/ |
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| 17:52.39 | jim | ok, that page shows the firmware package... let's install it with apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 17:53.08 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: you'll need to download the package from this page and copy it over on a USB stick: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realtek |
| 17:53.17 | jim | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 17:53.18 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1 |
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| 17:54.13 | jim | ,depends firmware-realtek |
| 17:54.14 | judd | Package firmware-realtek in jessie/amd64 -- depends: . |
| 17:54.37 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: ah, could it be that the Jessie Stetch version already had it? Because on that version I was able to do it without downloading |
| 17:55.28 | markybob | what's that? |
| 17:55.50 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: where is the download link there? |
| 17:55.51 | jim | also, which device do you have? |
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| 17:56.18 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: scroll down |
| 17:56.43 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: where it says "sug", that link? |
| 17:56.59 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: nevermind |
| 17:57.03 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: ctrl+f "download" |
| 17:57.58 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: I was staring at code all day, you can't expect me to find such things :P |
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| 17:58.09 | Matumaros | So I'll install it and report back to you guys? |
| 17:58.12 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: stretch wouldn't include this package either. there are unofficial installer images for jessie that do include firmware packages however. there's also a chapter for how to handle missing firmwares during installation in the install manual |
| 17:58.39 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: good luck :) after a reboot you can run "dmesg | grep -i firmware" to see if it loaded or not |
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| 17:59.16 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: but how did I manage to make it work with stretch then? |
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| 18:00.35 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: i don't know what you did then |
| 18:01.30 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: alright, I'm installing it with package manager |
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| 18:02.46 | Matumaros | also, any idea as to why it didn't work over cable? |
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| 18:03.12 | jim | how many devices is this? |
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| 18:04.15 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: the dmesg didn't give me anything |
| 18:04.25 | Matumaros | jim: what do you mean? |
| 18:05.43 | jim | Matumaros, how many net interface cards do you have? one, that does wired and wireless? |
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| 18:06.06 | Matumaros | jim: I only have one for wireless, wireless is over the stick |
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| 18:06.15 | Matumaros | *one for wired |
| 18:06.32 | jim | ok, how do you mean stick |
| 18:06.51 | Matumaros | wifi usb-stick |
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| 18:07.16 | jim | oh, no wonder it didn't show up in lspci |
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| 18:07.27 | Matumaros | jim: :D I'm sorry |
| 18:07.37 | Matumaros | I'm not very good with the hardware specific stuff |
| 18:08.00 | jim | well you must be learning it right now |
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| 18:08.10 | mundus2018 | Can someone help me out with piping audio output to another application by making the output a mic |
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| 18:08.49 | Matumaros | jim: yes, well, I had an apprenticeship for 3 years, but it didn't interest me at that time as much as it does now |
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| 18:09.52 | jim | ok... how many machines do you have? how and on what machine are you ircing here now? |
| 18:09.53 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I need to make the kernel use COM1 as its primary display. I have a line I used to add to /etc/inittab but where do I do the same on systemb? |
| 18:09.56 | Pegasus_RPG | systemd |
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| 18:11.09 | Matumaros | jim: I'm writing from my Laptop (also Debian Jessie, but I have it for about a year now) and then I have my main tower PC on which I try to install Debian Jessie |
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| 18:12.08 | jim | so, you have a laptop... and, what? |
| 18:12.22 | jim | what's the machine you're having trouble with now? |
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| 18:13.00 | jim | your main tower pc? |
| 18:13.04 | Matumaros | jim: it's an Acer, um.. can't remember the model now |
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| 18:13.40 | jmcnaught | Pegasus_RPG: i put "console=ttyS0" in the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub. Also take a look at http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html |
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| 18:14.28 | jak2000 | jmcnaught accept a pm, need a advice(off topic). |
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| 18:14.38 | jim | I don't need the specific details now... I just need a way to converse about them... so you have a laptop (debian jessie, net is working) and a tower (for which the usb wireless adapter is presently not working, and for which you have a wired eth)? |
| 18:14.39 | Pegasus_RPG | jmcnaught: cool, thankk you. I also just found https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Virtual_and_serial_console_changes |
| 18:14.51 | Matumaros | jim: Acer Aspire G3620 Desktop-PC (Intel Core i7 3770, 3,4GHz, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 16GB SSD, NVIDIA GTX 660, DVD, Win 8) |
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| 18:15.17 | Matumaros | jim: yes, but neither the adapter nor the wired eth is working |
| 18:15.35 | Matumaros | jim: the wired was just temporary so I could set up the adapter |
| 18:15.47 | jim | ok, can we refer to them as "the tower" and "the laptop"? |
| 18:15.58 | Matumaros | jim: sure |
| 18:16.02 | jmcnaught | jak2000: is it a support question just not Debian related? |
| 18:16.34 | jim | ok, good... is there a way to transfer files between the two machines that does not involve networking? |
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| 18:17.24 | Matumaros | jim: I just did download the firmware on my laptop from here https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/firmware-realtek/download, copied it onto a USB, plugged it in and installed it on my tower, so yes, there is a way |
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| 18:18.02 | markybob | did you not reboot? |
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| 18:18.08 | jim | ok, did that have any effect over the ifconfig -a output on the tower? |
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| 18:19.07 | Matumaros | jim: nope |
| 18:19.12 | Matumaros | markybob: I did reboot |
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| 18:19.39 | jim | ok, did you see anything different in dmesg about the firmware loading? |
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| 18:20.48 | Matumaros | jim: there doesn't seem to be anything related to that |
| 18:20.55 | jim | ok |
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| 18:21.18 | Matumaros | should I retry the commands I tried earlier? |
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| 18:21.57 | fennesz | Hello ! I would like to create a local ntp server . Can anyone help me with ntp.conf ? |
| 18:22.23 | jim | ok, on the laptop, can you... wget ftp://ftp2.dlink.com/PRODUCTS/DWA-130/REVC/DWA-130_REVC_DRIVERS_0.06_LINUX.ZIP |
| 18:22.36 | awwal | Wonders what happens with adobe flash plugin... It's outdated since 2/3 weeks now and iceweasel starts complaining... |
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| 18:23.06 | Matumaros | jim: yes, I downloaded it |
| 18:23.09 | jim | and note which dir you're in, so you can see the DWA...LINUX.ZIP file |
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| 18:23.24 | Matumaros | jim: oh, I just clicked on it |
| 18:23.39 | jim | can you move that file to the tower |
| 18:23.45 | Matumaros | ok |
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| 18:24.51 | jmcnaught | awwal: you might need to run update-flashplugin-nonfree (see its man page for options) |
| 18:24.51 | jim | ,depends unzip |
| 18:24.52 | judd | Package unzip in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.14). |
| 18:25.34 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: jim: wait what's happening now? The firmware-realtek package got installed, and "dmesg | grep -i firmware" doesn't report any messages about the firmware loading? |
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| 18:25.52 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: yes |
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| 18:26.26 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: and there's no new device listed by "ip a" or "ifconfig"? |
| 18:26.43 | jim | jmcnaught: yeah, so I'm having him do some manual stuff as listed on the wiki' |
| 18:26.47 | awwal | jmcnaught, have did tha several times since 2/3 weeks now but wont update the pkg...Thats why I eonder if the folks of people.debian.net are abandoning the maintenance... |
| 18:27.01 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: no :( |
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| 18:27.56 | jim | Matumaros: what happens if you run: which unzip |
| 18:27.57 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: it should at least tell you that the firmware file was not found, the output won't be empty |
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| 18:29.13 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: both list eth0 and lo |
| 18:29.20 | Matumaros | jim: on my tower? |
| 18:29.29 | jim | yes |
| 18:29.35 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: and the dmesg command doesn't even show an error? |
| 18:29.39 | Matumaros | jim: /usr/bin/unzip |
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| 18:29.54 | jim | great, so unzip is installed |
| 18:30.03 | jim | brb |
| 18:30.37 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: only "FAT-fs (sdc2): unable to read boot sector to mark fs as dirty" |
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| 18:30.58 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: but nothing related to the adapter |
| 18:31.16 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: that line showed when you ran "dmesg | grep -i firmware" ? the grep part is filtering for lines including the word firmwre |
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| 18:31.49 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: no, just typing in "dmesg" |
| 18:32.02 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: what you said doesn't give me anything |
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| 18:32.39 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: can you unplug the USB wifi, plug it back in, and run it again? |
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| 18:33.13 | Matumaros | ok |
| 18:33.21 | awwal | the same output since 2/3 weeks http://paste.debian.net/713031 |
| 18:33.26 | awwal | jmcnaught, ^ |
| 18:33.45 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: still nothing |
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| 18:34.18 | jmcnaught | awwal: i don't know, i don't use flash for several years now. you could look for bugs for that package |
| 18:34.22 | Matumaros | btw, I'm in sudo mode, just in case that is important |
| 18:34.53 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: i'm skeptical that the device is connected at all at this point, if dmesg isn't showing any messages about firmware |
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| 18:35.08 | jim | ok, did you transfer that .ZIP file to the tower? |
| 18:35.09 | awwal | jmcnaught, I know you dont use it :) I dont use it often also, just when really needed in my VM :P |
| 18:35.30 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: do you think it has to do with USB3.0 vs 2? |
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| 18:36.02 | mtn | awwal: use chromium and pepper flash, that way you get an uptodate version of flash |
| 18:36.05 | Matumaros | jim: yes, now |
| 18:36.22 | jmcnaught | jim: for what it's worth, firmware-realtek does have a rtl8192cufw.bin file, and dmesg output should have an error about a missing firmware |
| 18:36.54 | jmcnaught | jim: so i don't think using a third party firmware zip file is the right step at this point.. need to figure out why dmesg doesn't report anything about firmware loading |
| 18:37.00 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: I didn't run the two lines I posted earlier with the echo after the restart, should I do that? |
| 18:37.02 | jim | jmcnaught, so the wiki instructions about the zip file are outdated? |
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| 18:37.27 | awwal | mtn, i386 system here. pepper no longer available :( |
| 18:38.20 | jmcnaught | jim: that's about a different model |
| 18:38.28 | mtn | awwal: firefox/iceweasel flash is very outdated and will never be updated. it is no longer supported by adobe |
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| 18:38.48 | jim | oh, ok, so it doesn;t even apply to this case? |
| 18:39.02 | jmcnaught | jim: "RTL8192U-based devices only: firmware is required to be manually supplied..." but as far as Matumaros has told us they have an rtl8192cu |
| 18:39.38 | jmcnaught | i think it's worth trying if we still get firmware not found errors in dmesg, but at this point there's nothing about firmwares in dmesg |
| 18:39.45 | awwal | mtn, I know yeah. I was using chromium+pepper but pepper is no longer available for i386 arch. but thats ok, I can live without flash :) |
| 18:39.55 | jmcnaught | there will be a message about firmware whether it succeeds loading or not |
| 18:40.17 | jim | jmcnaught, so he has a cu instead of a u (the latter is what, newer?) |
| 18:40.26 | hexnewbie | awwal: pipelight (which might be difficult to install in Debian from what I hear), allows you to use newer Windows versions of Flash using the NPAPI |
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| 18:40.35 | Iridos | awwal, you can always just update /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so yourself |
| 18:40.36 | Matumaros | jmcnaught jim: Last week I installed Debian Jessie Stretch by accident, I went on here to get help, somebody helped me with the commands I posted and after that it worked (until the restart), then they told me I should reinstall the stable version and so I did and so here we are |
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| 18:41.22 | jim | Matumaros, what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 18:41.27 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: "dmesg | grep -i firmware" will show a message no matter what, if it succeeds or fails. Perhaps you have a typo when you try it? |
| 18:41.33 | awwal | hexnewbie, pipelight is a pkg? |
| 18:41.44 | Matumaros | jim: 8.4 |
| 18:41.57 | awwal | Iridos, havent tried that option yet, no clue how :D |
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| 18:42.26 | jim | ok... does dmesg | grep -i firmware say anything? |
| 18:42.28 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: No typo |
| 18:42.37 | Matumaros | jim: no |
| 18:42.48 | jim | and you just did that right now? |
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| 18:42.53 | Matumaros | unless I'm full retard (which happens sometimes) |
| 18:43.02 | Matumaros | jim: yes |
| 18:43.05 | hexnewbie | awwal: No, but they do have a repository with packages. Disclaimer: I have not used it, it's just the *only* way to get newer NPAPI Flash. |
| 18:43.07 | jim | ok |
| 18:43.10 | jim | hmm. |
| 18:43.19 | jim | stumpped. |
| 18:43.31 | awwal | hexnewbie, will look at it, ok :) |
| 18:43.44 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: that's pretty strange because you did get results from this command earlier |
| 18:43.55 | hexnewbie | awwal: It also requires patched Wine, so if you use Wine, some side-effects may ensue. (Don't know if the two wines can co-exist) |
| 18:44.00 | Matumaros | hexnewbie: didn't you help me with my issue more than a week ago? |
| 18:44.20 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: but that was after I did the two commands |
| 18:44.28 | Matumaros | I think they reset or something after restart |
| 18:44.46 | jim | Matumaros, could you show the two commands again? |
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| 18:44.56 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: and you rebooted after installing firmware-realtek? |
| 18:45.03 | Matumaros | modprobe rtl8192cu |
| 18:45.03 | Matumaros | echo "050d 21f2" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id |
| 18:45.05 | Iridos | awwal, go to https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ , download the tar.gz, unpack, put the .so in place? |
| 18:45.06 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: yes |
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| 18:45.27 | hexnewbie | Matumaros: Yeah, I believe so. |
| 18:45.43 | jim | Matumaros, could you run lsmod | grep rtl |
| 18:45.47 | Matumaros | hexnewbie: was that you who told me about those commands? |
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| 18:45.55 | awwal | Iridos, sounds correct yes. will try that in my VM |
| 18:45.59 | jim | how many lines? |
| 18:46.12 | Matumaros | jim: nothing |
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| 18:46.24 | Matumaros | jim: the first is a small L, right? |
| 18:46.51 | hexnewbie | Matumaros: The new_id for adding PCI ids, yeah. The rest I cannot recall. |
| 18:46.59 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: when you run just "dmesg" do you get multiple pages of output? |
| 18:47.10 | hexnewbie | s/PCI/USB/ |
| 18:47.19 | awwal | Hopefully in 1/2 years almost all major multimedia websites will switch to html5... |
| 18:47.30 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: yeah, a lot |
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| 18:47.50 | jim | ok, yes... can you run modprobe rtl8192cu, does it output anything? |
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| 18:48.18 | Matumaros | jim: nope :/ |
| 18:48.18 | awwal | I almost use need that f***flash for watch live news channels |
| 18:48.35 | jim | Matumaros, could you run lsmod | grep rtl (again) |
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| 18:48.47 | Matumaros | jim: ahhh :) |
| 18:49.08 | jim | ok, so the module was loaded... and lsmod shows it? |
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| 18:49.15 | Matumaros | jim: usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8192cu |
| 18:49.34 | jim | where did that come from? |
| 18:49.46 | Matumaros | jim: just did what you said |
| 18:49.52 | Matumaros | nothing else |
| 18:50.17 | jim | ok, now could you run dmesg | grep firmware (again) |
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| 18:50.48 | Matumaros | jim: nothing |
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| 18:51.36 | jim | hmm. |
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| 18:52.21 | jim | could you run dmesg by itself, and look at the last few lines... |
| 18:52.36 | Matumaros | jim: I just did that echo thing and now dmesg grep firmware outputs two things |
| 18:52.59 | jim | oh good... could you show those two lines? |
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| 18:53.24 | Matumaros | jim: rtl8192cu: Loading firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw_TMSC.bin |
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| 18:53.41 | jim | ok... |
| 18:53.48 | jim | and the other? |
| 18:53.56 | Matumaros | jim: usb 1-1.2: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw_TMSC.bin |
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| 18:54.13 | jim | ok, now try ifconfig -a |
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| 18:54.24 | Matumaros | jim: wifi shows now |
| 18:54.33 | jim | wow... |
| 18:54.39 | Matumaros | jim: wlan0 shows :) |
| 18:54.40 | jim | that took awhile :) |
| 18:54.50 | Matumaros | jim: yeah :D |
| 18:54.57 | Matumaros | but doesn't it reset on restart? |
| 18:55.05 | jim | can you try... ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist scan |
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| 18:55.40 | Matumaros | iwlist command not found |
| 18:55.44 | jim | the question would be: do you see your neighbors? |
| 18:55.49 | jim | so no |
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| 18:56.28 | jim | ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 18:56.28 | Matumaros | I just ran ifconfig wlan0 up on it's own, was that right? |
| 18:56.53 | jim | yeah, and we should down it for the moment |
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| 18:57.16 | jim | ,find iwlist |
| 18:57.17 | Matumaros | what did I do with that? |
| 18:57.19 | judd | Search for iwlist in jessie/amd64: wireless-tools: sbin/iwlist; bash-completion: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/iwlist |
| 18:57.44 | Pr0metheus | does anyone know if the gnome integrated google drive account that shows in file manager gets synced to a local folder? |
| 18:57.46 | jim | ,depends wireless-tools |
| 18:57.47 | judd | Package wireless-tools in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libiw30 (>= 30~pre1). |
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| 18:58.36 | Matumaros | jim: depends command not found |
| 18:58.42 | Matumaros | judd: should I execute it like that? |
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| 18:59.00 | jim | can you do... dpkg -s libiw30 | grep -i version |
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| 18:59.26 | jim | you should get 1 or 0 lines |
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| 19:00.13 | Matumaros | jim: I get 3. because it says that libiw30 is not installed and no information is available |
| 19:00.26 | jim | oh ok |
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| 19:00.42 | jim | checking something... |
| 19:00.48 | jim | ,depends libiw30 |
| 19:00.50 | judd | Package libiw30 in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7),multiarch-support. |
| 19:01.37 | jim | can you run... dpkg -s multiarch-support | grep -i version |
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| 19:02.22 | Matumaros | jim: 2.19-18+deb8u4 |
| 19:02.41 | jim | ok, good, you have all the depends for the earlier lib package |
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| 19:04.04 | jim | Matumaros, so you know, the stuff I'm saying with "," at the beginning, is me talking to a bot :) |
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| 19:04.41 | Matumaros | jim: I figured by now, but I was confused at the beginnning :D |
| 19:05.01 | jim | I'm going to find a couple of files you should download to your laptop, it'll take a bit... |
| 19:05.12 | Matumaros | jim: ok |
| 19:06.01 | jim | while I'm doing that... could someone help him automate the modprobe and the echo please :) |
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| 19:07.20 | jim | ,v libiw30 |
| 19:07.21 | judd | Package: libiw30 on amd64 -- squeeze: 30~pre9-5; wheezy: 30~pre9-8; jessie: 30~pre9-8; stretch: 30~pre9-11; sid: 30~pre9-11 |
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| 19:09.45 | jim | ,v wireless-tools |
| 19:09.46 | judd | Package: wireless-tools on amd64 -- squeeze: 30~pre9-5; wheezy: 30~pre9-8; jessie: 30~pre9-8; stretch: 30~pre9-11; sid: 30~pre9-11 |
| 19:10.05 | jim | oh it's the same version string/ |
| 19:10.14 | Matumaros | jim: I think last time this was just intended to get internet temporarily, so I could get a newer kernel backport, which (apparently) made the other two commands unnecessary |
| 19:10.14 | jim | oh all of them |
| 19:10.33 | jim | ok |
| 19:10.46 | jim | let me find those pkgs... |
| 19:11.02 | Matumaros | jim: thanks :) |
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| 19:12.33 | jim | what do you get for "arch"? |
| 19:13.04 | Matumaros | x86_64 |
| 19:13.09 | jim | ok |
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| 19:14.07 | jim | where are you located? try to get you a close mirror |
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| 19:14.24 | Matumaros | Austria probably |
| 19:14.39 | jim | so... europe? |
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| 19:14.52 | Matumaros | yes |
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| 19:15.42 | jim | alright, for one of the packages, wget http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wireless-tools/wireless-tools_30~pre9-8_amd64.deb |
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| 19:17.12 | jim | and the other, wget http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wireless-tools/libiw30_30~pre9-8_amd64.deb |
| 19:17.12 | Matumaros | jim: done |
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| 19:18.36 | jim | got em both? |
| 19:19.14 | Matumaros | yes |
| 19:19.43 | jim | ok good... so now you have those two .deb files... transfer them to the tower... |
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| 19:20.11 | jim | (maybe you need wpa-supplicant,,, cross that bridge later) |
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| 19:20.56 | Matumaros | jim: ok, now what? |
| 19:21.24 | jim | are they in a dir by themselves on the tower? |
| 19:21.49 | Matumaros | yes |
| 19:22.03 | jim | ok, as root, dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 19:22.39 | jim | any problems? |
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| 19:23.05 | Matumaros | jim: oh, I misunderstood, I have them in the same folder as the firmware one |
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| 19:23.35 | jim | oh ok, you should still be able to run that cmd |
| 19:23.43 | Matumaros | jim: I did both seperately |
| 19:23.50 | Matumaros | seems to be fine |
| 19:23.52 | jim | ok, good |
| 19:24.07 | jim | now try... iwlist scan |
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| 19:24.33 | Matumaros | it list eth0, wlan0 and lo |
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| 19:24.51 | debian | hello |
| 19:25.03 | Matumaros | on all it says "Interface doesn't support scanning" and on wlan0 it also says "Network is down" |
| 19:25.08 | jim | ok, forgot something... ifconfig wlan0 up first |
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| 19:25.40 | Matumaros | jim: under wlan0 it says a whole lot of things now |
| 19:25.57 | jim | you probably see your neighbors now |
| 19:26.19 | Matumaros | what do you mean by "neighbors"? |
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| 19:26.30 | jim | their wireless access points |
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| 19:26.56 | jim | do you see yours in that listing? |
| 19:27.12 | Matumaros | um, in iwlist scan under wlan0 there is Cell 01 and all kinds of information and the same but for Cell 02 |
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| 19:27.34 | Matumaros | jim: ah, yeah |
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| 19:27.42 | Matumaros | ESSID |
| 19:27.52 | jim | ok,,, so the good thing is your card is workign |
| 19:27.57 | Matumaros | well, both are mine |
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| 19:28.21 | jim | are they wpa? |
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| 19:28.46 | Matumaros | I think so |
| 19:29.27 | Matumaros | oh yeah, WPA2 Version 1 |
| 19:29.33 | jim | hmm... you need wpa-supplicant then... could you try: dpkg -s wpa-supplicant (maybe it's installed?) |
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| 19:29.57 | Matumaros | jim: no :( |
| 19:30.07 | jim | ok, |
| 19:30.18 | jim | ,v wpa-supplicant |
| 19:30.20 | judd | No package named 'wpa-supplicant' was found in amd64. |
| 19:30.28 | jim | hmm |
| 19:30.37 | jmcnaught | ,v wpasupplicant |
| 19:30.38 | judd | Package: wpasupplicant on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.10-2.1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.6.10-2.1+deb6u1; wheezy: 1.0-3+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.0-3+deb7u4; jessie: 2.3-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2.3-1+deb8u3; sid: 2.3-2.3; stretch: 2.3-2.3 |
| 19:30.41 | jim | thanks |
| 19:31.19 | jim | ,depends wpasupplicant |
| 19:31.21 | judd | Package wpasupplicant in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.15), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.4), libnl-3-200 (>= 3.2.7), libnl-genl-3-200 (>= 3.2.7), libpcsclite1 (>= 1.0.0), libreadline6 (>= 6.0), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.1), lsb-base, adduser. |
| 19:32.09 | jim | ok... is libdbus-1-3 installed? |
| 19:32.58 | teraflops | Meh In each Linux distribution wpa supplicant has a slightly different name |
| 19:33.09 | jim | this part needs focus, to get thru it quickly |
| 19:33.10 | Matumaros | jim: how do I test that again? |
| 19:33.17 | jim | dpkg -s |
| 19:33.17 | dpkg | jim: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 19:33.35 | Matumaros | jim: nope |
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| 19:34.48 | jim | check each package in the depends list... brb |
| 19:35.12 | Matumaros | jim: ok, thanks :) |
| 19:35.50 | Matumaros | btw, on this laptop I occasionally have my background pop through on a small strip at the bottom when I go in fullscreen anywhere, does anybody know a fix to that? |
| 19:36.11 | Matumaros | I'm on gnome |
| 19:37.03 | jim | one thing at a time :) that's not going to interfere with you too much, is it? |
| 19:37.25 | Matumaros | no, just wondering while I'm on here :P |
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| 19:38.03 | jim | are any of those already installed? |
| 19:38.17 | jim | (libc is) |
| 19:38.42 | Matumaros | jim: no, libc isn't |
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| 19:39.56 | jim | oh, sorry, that one is called libc6 |
| 19:40.17 | Matumaros | yes |
| 19:40.23 | Matumaros | that one is |
| 19:40.33 | jim | and none of the others? |
| 19:41.16 | Matumaros | jim: which others? did I miss something? |
| 19:41.38 | jim | on the list of dependencies for wpasupplicant |
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| 19:42.13 | jim | it's a couple screenfuls up |
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| 19:43.08 | Matumaros | oh, wpasupplicant is |
| 19:43.19 | jim | it's installed? |
| 19:43.24 | jim | great... |
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| 19:43.34 | Matumaros | yes, which others? |
| 19:44.00 | jim | actually that's all we need... the dependencies must already be installed |
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| 19:44.16 | Matumaros | great :) |
| 19:44.52 | jim | so now... how to -use- it... do you have your essid and pw for one of the waps? |
| 19:45.15 | Matumaros | jim: um, yeah, just a second |
| 19:45.33 | Matumaros | ok, ready |
| 19:45.38 | jim | you of course don't have to tell me any of that... you just need them handy |
| 19:45.55 | jim | also... can we pause... I need to run a short errand |
| 19:46.04 | Matumaros | That says a lot about me that you think I'm that stupid :D |
| 19:46.11 | Matumaros | sure, thank you so far :) |
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| 19:48.11 | jim | believe me... all kinds come here and etc... please don't take it personally |
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| 19:51.38 | Matumaros | jim: I don't, I'm very glad that you take so much time to help me :) |
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| 19:52.44 | jim | it should be ok as long as I can get what I need to do done, in the between times |
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| 19:52.54 | jim | anyway... back soon... |
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| 19:54.00 | jim | and, I'm not remembering how to use wpasupplicant to get his net up... I wonder if there;s anyone available to help Matumaros with that while I'm out and about? |
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| 19:54.40 | jhutchins | !wpasupplicant |
| 19:54.40 | dpkg | Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) is a wireless encryption standard. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the wpasupplicant package, read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", it is possible to install Debian over a WPA-protected network. https://wiki.debian.org/WPA https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 19:55.14 | jhutchins | Matumaros: That ought to give you something to do while jim is gone. |
| 19:55.34 | jim | thanks :) as you all have seen, his hardware is up now |
| 19:55.45 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: there's also https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse which has a command line section |
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| 19:56.26 | jim | I never found out if he got x installed, if not, that will be handy |
| 19:56.43 | jhutchins | Matumaros: That display thing is a memory leak within the GUI hardware. Not much you can do, sometimes when a driver gets upgraded it helps. |
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| 19:57.08 | Matumaros | jhutchins: thanks, good to know :) |
| 19:57.15 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: thanks for the link :) |
| 19:57.37 | greycat | A memory leak... in hardware? |
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| 19:58.37 | jhutchins | greycat: Well, no, but it's something that usually happens in poor hardware and there's not much software can do. |
| 19:58.41 | Matumaros | jhutchins greycat: well, it's just a very small strip and always the same height, almost as if it would try to render a taskbar at the bottom and fails |
| 19:59.03 | jhutchins | greycat: I would guess that the buffer dimensions for console vs. GUI are inconsistent, and there's a bad pointer somewhere. |
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| 19:59.29 | cluelessperson | Question, in /etc/shadow the root entry looks like "root:!:<number>:<number>:<number>::: |
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| 19:59.49 | jhutchins | cluelessperson: and? |
| 19:59.53 | cluelessperson | how do I setup within a debian environment for the root to have no password, and not be able to log into it directly? I use sudo typically |
| 20:00.10 | cluelessperson | jhutchins, I'm using debootstrap to setup environments |
| 20:00.15 | greycat | I believe you've already done it. |
| 20:00.26 | greycat | The ! in field 2 is where the hash would normally be. |
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| 20:01.16 | cluelessperson | greycat, I'm sorry, I'm being stupid at communication, that's what it is on my other laptop tat I use normally, I'm attempting to setup similar conditions using deboostrap to create my own USB installer. :) |
| 20:01.29 | greycat | Then do that. |
| 20:02.06 | jhutchins | cluelessperson: Does debootstrap promt for a root password? |
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| 20:02.19 | cluelessperson | jhutchins, it wouldn't, would it? |
| 20:02.43 | jhutchins | cluelessperson: Been a couple of years, I don't remember. |
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| 20:03.29 | cluelessperson | jhutchins, I don't think it asks, but I'll check the man page. Thanks for mentioning it |
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| 20:04.46 | jhutchins | cluelessperson: As I recall, debootstrap results in a fairly minimal system. |
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| 20:05.29 | jhutchins | cluelessperson: There may be some good advice at http://pendrivelinux.com, including tips for tuning the system to run efficiently from USB. |
| 20:05.34 | cluelessperson | jhutchins, Which you can chroot into and then install anything else you need to. Also you can define for deboostrap what to install. :) |
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| 20:06.04 | jhutchins | cluelessperson: Yeah, I've used it, but it's been a while. |
| 20:06.10 | cluelessperson | debootstrap --arch=amd64 --variant=minbase jessie chroot |
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| 20:08.36 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: would it be safe now for me to shut down the computer and continue tomorrow? or would that destroy some progress? |
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| 20:17.13 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: i think you should be fine. i'm not sure about that command you had to run to get it working, you might need to do that again when you reboot (but that can be sorted too) |
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| 20:17.49 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: alright, great, because I can't sit in this chair anymore :/ |
| 20:17.56 | Matumaros | my back starts hurting |
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| 20:18.29 | Matumaros | thanks a lot for your help, and of course jim too! |
| 20:18.36 | Matumaros | see you tomorrow |
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| 20:21.27 | shann | Hi :) |
| 20:23.02 | shann | i receive mail for my package sponsor, but i don't think next step, "Hi, can you please fix what pointed out in the bug report? when you fix/reply to them, I'll do a review and maybe upload." https://mentors.debian.net/package/subuser |
| 20:23.51 | usrname | Hi, I have problems with Debian installation. My keyboard doesn't work after I start the installer and I don't know how to fix it. |
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| 20:25.12 | LtL | usrname: try using tab, spacebar, arrow keys. they may work during install |
| 20:25.47 | usrname | I think they didn't but Ill double check. |
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| 20:27.04 | Matumaros | usrname: I had that issue too, the only way I was able to fix it is by changing keyboards |
| 20:27.25 | usrname | tab, spacebar etc doesn't work either. |
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| 20:28.04 | usrname | Matumaros: ok. I guess Ill have to do that then. But it's weird that it's an issue. It works if I try to install gNewSense for example. |
| 20:28.31 | LtL | usrname: usb keyboard? |
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| 20:28.36 | usrname | yes |
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| 20:28.54 | usrname | it's actually wireless usb mouse and keyboard. |
| 20:29.01 | Matumaros | usrname: my keyboard didn't work in BIOS either, neither does it work in grub |
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| 20:29.34 | usrname | for me it works in the Debian boot menu, so I can use it to pick Graphical install, Install, Help etc. |
| 20:29.45 | LtL | usrname: try a ps/2 board for the time being, hopefully you have one |
| 20:30.15 | usrname | I actually don't. This is my only keyboard. |
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| 20:32.12 | LtL | usrname: i can only suggest a nonfree iso image at cdimage.debian.org i think it is, it may load a driver for it |
| 20:32.42 | usrname | the Debian faq says to do boot: linux noapic nolapic" |
| 20:32.59 | usrname | but I tried that and it didn't work either. |
| 20:33.01 | usrname | ok. |
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| 20:33.22 | usrname | I guess Ill try that first then before buying a new keyboard. |
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| 20:35.21 | LtL | gn |
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| 20:39.41 | kris2b | salut |
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| 20:41.06 | kris2b | salut je cherche de l'aide suite a l'installation de debian8 et de zoneminder |
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| 20:41.10 | greycat | !fr |
| 20:41.10 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr. |
| 20:41.16 | kris2b | ok |
| 20:41.39 | Ooze | damn frenchies |
| 20:41.44 | greycat | Be nice. |
| 20:41.58 | kris2b | O_o |
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| 20:41.58 | Ooze | My grandfather saved his ass in the war |
| 20:42.00 | Ooze | ;) |
| 20:42.02 | kris2b | @+ |
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| 20:42.09 | teraflops | Ooze: dickhead |
| 20:42.46 | ryouma | the french maybe helped your ancestor in the revolutionary war |
| 20:42.59 | polyzen | #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:43.17 | ryouma | indeed, just realizec |
| 20:43.18 | ryouma | d |
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| 20:49.46 | jim | back... Matumaros: how'd that work out? |
| 20:50.35 | Matumaros | jim: I shut down the PC now, my back started hurting too much :/ |
| 20:50.41 | Matumaros | I'll continue tomorrow |
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| 20:51.13 | Matumaros | Thanks for your help though, I really appreciate the time and patience :) |
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| 20:52.52 | jim | welcome... just so I understand where we are, did you end up trying to log in? |
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| 21:06.30 | usrname | Ltl: so I tried a non-free netinstall and I have the same issues. |
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| 21:07.36 | usrname | Ltl: I don't know if I mentioned it but using gNewSense which is basically Debian without any non-free stuff, I could use my keyboard and mouse during install. |
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| 21:13.05 | zykotick9 | usrname: NOTE... gnewsense is actually tracking/based off of old stable... it's not "basically Debian without any non-free stuff" <- debian doesn't "by default" come with any non-free stuff to begin with (true 9 times out of 10 anyways) |
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| 21:15.09 | usrname | zykotick9: ok, I see. |
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| 21:16.28 | TehRabbitt | hey, have an autofs question... I set up /etc/auto.samba with the shares I want to mount, and I keep getting an authentication error (username/pass are correct) |
| 21:16.32 | mazert | hello, it is possible to set a default image quality on vinagre, when connection to a computer via VNC using empathy ? |
| 21:16.39 | TehRabbitt | any ideas? |
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| 21:30.38 | kevin-leptons | hi every body. i am kevin |
| 21:31.27 | kevin-leptons | any body is use debian8 here ? |
| 21:31.57 | usrname | not yet =) why? |
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| 21:32.50 | kevin-leptons | =)), i am try to talk. i am just use irc :) |
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| 21:34.53 | brelod | yes im using 8 |
| 21:34.55 | brelod | hy kevin |
| 21:35.02 | brelod | whats up? |
| 21:35.30 | Guest51570 | hi brelod, me too. i am use debian 8 jessie |
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| 21:42.56 | kevin-leptons | i am returned, have some problems with irc :D |
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| 21:44.39 | brelod | what irc client do u use? |
| 21:44.48 | brelod | (kevin) |
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| 21:46.01 | babilen | 23:44:37 brelod > what irc client do u use? |
| 21:46.12 | babilen | missed that, kevin-leptons |
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| 21:46.51 | kevin-leptons | oh babilen, i use weechat |
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| 21:47.50 | kevin-leptons | i try to set username/connect/join. seem ok |
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| 21:51.24 | brelod | babilen, thx |
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| 21:52.01 | brelod | kevin, sorry but i dont know that much |
| 21:52.39 | LtL | kevin-leptons: https://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_quickstart.en.html |
| 21:53.09 | kevin-leptons | that will be fine. now i can use weechat |
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| 21:53.32 | kevin-leptons | yep, i just read weechat quickstart, thank LtL |
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| 21:54.16 | kevin-leptons | what is time do ou often chat ? |
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| 21:55.42 | LtL | kevin-leptons: this is a debian OS support channel, chat is #debian-offtopic :) |
| 21:56.17 | kevin-leptons | okey, i switch to it now. thanks :) |
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| 21:58.43 | awwal | Any one can ls its /dev for check if radio dir is present? |
| 21:59.20 | mazert | awwal: not for me (sid) |
| 22:00.00 | awwal | mazert, sid and jessie here, no /dev/radio too :( thanks :) |
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| 22:01.38 | mazert | I did not know this directory. |
| 22:01.53 | cluelessperson | is there a way to apt-get a SINGLE package from jessie-backports without adding it to sources? |
| 22:02.11 | mazert | to use radio card for listining stations |
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| 22:04.33 | mazert | cluelessperson: i think you can't, cause you need to have the package list for jessie backport |
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| 22:05.33 | mutante | cluelessperson: you can manually download it from the http server and then use dpkg -i, but not really recommended |
| 22:05.41 | mazert | or if it is for a single package only, you can download it from web, then dpkg -i package.deb |
| 22:06.11 | mazert | but ckecking the sha1 sum first of course ;) |
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| 22:13.12 | rabenvog1l | hey :) |
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| 22:14.03 | rabenvog1l | do you guys know whats happening at my server? i try to edit the php.ini as root and i dont have writing permissions for whatever reasons... |
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| 22:14.15 | rabenvog1l | anybody know a solution? |
| 22:14.59 | awwal | mazert, trying to get 'radio' pkg working :) https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296858 seems that some people have radio dir in /dev , others not :P |
| 22:15.01 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/296858 in radio (closed): «radio fails to find radio device»; severity: normal; opened: 2005-02-25; last modified: 2005-02-28. |
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| 22:16.23 | LtL | rabenvog1l: change its permissions/edit/change back perms. it could be 'locked' in use maybe |
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| 22:16.25 | kevin-leptons | rabenvog, i do not know that file mode are support here ? |
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| 22:17.44 | rabenvog1l | its a the php configuration file in my case for an apache webserver |
| 22:18.49 | LtL | rabenvog1l: yeah figured that, does it have write permission? 'stat php.ini' |
| 22:19.56 | rabenvog1l | yeah it says writing permission for root |
| 22:22.40 | rabenvog1l | still when i open it as root it says readonly it is so strange |
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| 22:23.18 | kevin-leptons | rabenvog1l: try to check any process using php.ini |
| 22:23.31 | unborn | rabenvog1l: as root you should be able to edit php.ini file |
| 22:23.52 | rabenvog1l | @unborn im trying to that |
| 22:24.10 | unborn | rabenvog1l: how do you edit file? directly in terminal or via some gui? |
| 22:24.11 | rabenvog1l | kevin-leptions: k |
| 22:24.21 | rabenvog1l | unborn: via ssh |
| 22:24.30 | unborn | rabenvog1l: aka nano? |
| 22:24.31 | rabenvog1l | unborn: no gui though |
| 22:24.35 | rabenvog1l | unborn: yea ^ |
| 22:25.01 | afernandez_ | aka vi |
| 22:25.05 | rabenvog1l | unborn: vi doesn't work either |
| 22:25.10 | afernandez_ | as root |
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| 22:25.17 | unborn | rabenvog1l: so you should be able to edit.. just ssh root@yourdomian.com and then nano /path to any file |
| 22:25.26 | kevin-leptons | what is mean. some thing wrong. you use ssh then you must edit by vim or nano |
| 22:25.31 | unborn | or vi |
| 22:25.35 | jmcnaught | rabenvog1l: can you please run "stat php.ini" and put the results on http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 22:25.39 | afernandez_ | you mut change to root after ssh |
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| 22:25.50 | rabenvog1l | i did that |
| 22:25.50 | afernandez_ | must* |
| 22:25.58 | rabenvog1l | i went sudo -i |
| 22:25.59 | meh__ | if you are creating patches for a debian package |
| 22:26.00 | rabenvog1l | still didnt work |
| 22:26.03 | meh__ | this would work? |
| 22:26.06 | unborn | or just log directly as root |
| 22:26.15 | rabenvog1l | ill try that |
| 22:26.25 | meh__ | 1 reame your editions of code with exxtension .new "example, as.cc to asd.cc.new" |
| 22:26.38 | meh__ | 2 run in terminal: diff -u asd.cc asd.cc.new |
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| 22:27.03 | unborn | rabenvog1l: just log to server directly as root.. ssh root@... |
| 22:27.04 | meh__ | 3 delete the .new of the patch |
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| 22:28.28 | jmcnaught | meh__: most Debian packages now use quilt to manage patches. If you "/msg dpkg nmg" the bot will respond with a link to a guide that introduces the concept. quilt also has its own docs. |
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| 22:30.08 | rabenvog1l | x |
| 22:30.26 | unborn | rabenvog1l: I guess it worked |
| 22:31.31 | rabenvog1l | unborn: nope |
| 22:31.36 | rabenvog1l | unborn: still didn't work |
| 22:31.41 | rabenvog1l | here's the stats |
| 22:31.42 | rabenvog1l | https://paste.debian.net/713068 |
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| 22:32.17 | rabenvog1l | vy!8Y(UFcO/PjU5%PMOd;5&#S |
| 22:32.30 | unborn | rabenvog1l: are you logged in as root? |
| 22:32.35 | afernandez_ | I guess that is your pw? |
| 22:32.43 | rabenvog1l | yes i am |
| 22:32.45 | jmcnaught | rabenvog1l: if that's a password it's time to change it :) |
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| 22:32.52 | afernandez_ | ha ha ha ha |
| 22:32.55 | rabenvog1l | wooooopsy :D |
| 22:33.01 | rabenvog1l | haha |
| 22:33.04 | unborn | haha |
| 22:33.06 | rabenvog1l | brb |
| 22:33.14 | afernandez_ | pwgen -ny 16 |
| 22:33.22 | LtL | rabenvog1l: that file is writable as root |
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| 22:33.45 | unborn | yeah its writeable |
| 22:34.14 | unborn | rabenvog1l: you doing something wrong or you are not logged in as root |
| 22:34.26 | kevin-leptons | rabenvog1l: if you use vim, you can use override command 'w!'. with some file setting as /etc/sudores, debian vim require to override. may be php.ini too :D |
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| 22:35.09 | unborn | kevin-leptons: I think he is logged in as root directly and not via su or sudo command |
| 22:35.23 | rabenvog1l | ok |
| 22:35.28 | rabenvog1l | i was logged in as root directly |
| 22:35.30 | jmcnaught | kevin-leptons: best not to edit /etc/sudoers directly, you should use "visudo" instead |
| 22:35.32 | rabenvog1l | also used sudo |
| 22:35.46 | rabenvog1l | and also used sudo -i to elevate privileges |
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| 22:36.48 | unborn | or just su command |
| 22:37.17 | unborn | however if you was not able to edit file as root logged in directly rabenvog1l then something is wrong |
| 22:37.31 | rabenvog1l | true |
| 22:37.31 | jmcnaught | rabenvog1l: if "whoami" says root then you're root. is it possible that the filesystem is mounted read-only? |
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| 22:37.47 | unborn | usually you edit php.ini and then just restart apache to apply configuration and you done.. |
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| 22:37.54 | kevin-leptons | unborn: i not sure. may be ask him credential to log to server to see :D |
| 22:38.41 | kevin-leptons | jmcnaught: can you explain reasons ? i have not more knowledge in secure |
| 22:38.59 | unborn | kevin-leptons: im too old for this but - I guess I should be laughing or something |
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| 22:41.57 | kevin-leptons | unborn: i sure that some thing went wrong! |
| 22:42.36 | rabenvog1l | jmcnaught: no its not |
| 22:43.09 | unborn | rabenvog1l: that is weird.. check user accounts on your server |
| 22:43.15 | jmcnaught | kevin-leptons: visudo validates that the syntax is correct before saving the file, and makes sure it's not being edited more than once at a time |
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| 22:43.42 | jmcnaught | rabenvog1l: what is the exact error you get when you try to save it? |
| 22:44.19 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I'm installing a new Jessie system and can't seem to get ethernet interface bonding working like I could in Wheezy. (Though systems upgraded from Wheezy are fine.) |
| 22:44.31 | Pegasus_RPG | I'm getting bonding: bond0: option mode: unable to set because the bond device has slaves |
| 22:44.54 | Pegasus_RPG | And I'm like "of course it has slaves! that's the point!" |
| 22:45.29 | Pegasus_RPG | Full output from 'ifup bond0' is: [ 1151.658215] bonding: bond0: option mode: unable to set because the bond device has slaves |
| 22:45.29 | Pegasus_RPG | sh: echo: I/O error |
| 22:45.29 | Pegasus_RPG | RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 22:45.29 | Pegasus_RPG | Failed to bring up bond0. |
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| 22:45.52 | Pegasus_RPG | whoops sorry, didn't mean to flood |
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| 22:46.05 | rabenvog1l | jmcnaught: E45: 'readonly' option is set (add ! to override) |
| 22:46.10 | unborn | Pegasus_RPG: use paste.debian.net :) |
| 22:46.30 | rabenvog1l | jmcnaught: when i try to override it: "php.ini" E212: Can't open file for writing |
| 22:46.44 | Pegasus_RPG | unborn: right, so http://paste.debian.net/713071/ |
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| 22:47.50 | unborn | rabenvog1l: ah :) |
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| 22:48.10 | unborn | rabenvog1l: is that your server or its some server from hosting company? |
| 22:48.51 | rabenvog1l | unborn: why is that relevant? |
| 22:48.53 | unborn | rabenvog1l: I think this explains a lot.. seems to me that you will need to speak to your hosting company |
| 22:48.57 | unborn | yes it is rabenvog1l |
| 22:49.08 | rabenvog1l | unborn: no im sure it is but why :D? |
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| 22:49.41 | unborn | some hosting companies wont allow you edit those kind of files.. you can even give it 0777 and you wont be able to edit that anyway |
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| 22:49.50 | rabenvog1l | unborn: ok |
| 22:49.58 | snfgf | how do I find where my linker is searching for libraries and add a location? |
| 22:50.12 | jmcnaught | rabenvog1l: if it's some sort of container style VPS you might actually not have permission due to some config problem by the host |
| 22:50.31 | unborn | rabenvog1l: if you would have build server on your own let say on your pc or machine thats different |
| 22:50.53 | rabenvog1l | hmmm |
| 22:50.59 | rabenvog1l | well i don't host the server myself |
| 22:51.02 | unborn | rabenvog1l: as jmcnaught said.. as soon as I seen e212 it was self explanatory |
| 22:51.07 | rabenvog1l | but I was the one installing php on it :D |
| 22:51.16 | unborn | rabenvog1l: speak to your hosting |
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| 22:51.59 | Pegasus_RPG | So now I tried manually with 'ifenslave bond0 eth2 eth1' and I get 'bonding: bond0: option slaves: unable to set because the bond device is up' |
| 22:52.00 | jmcnaught | rabenvog1l: what does lsattr say for the file? |
| 22:52.01 | rabenvog1l | unborn: k will do. thanks to all of you for the help! |
| 22:52.04 | Pegasus_RPG | yet it's not |
| 22:52.17 | unborn | Pegasus_RPG: did you look here? https://wiki.debian.org/Bonding |
| 22:52.18 | Pegasus_RPG | reboots |
| 22:52.25 | rabenvog1l | jmcnaught: ----i--------e-- php.ini |
| 22:53.26 | jmcnaught | rabenvog1l: hah! so the immutable attribute was set on this file at one point. use chattr to unset the 'i' flag |
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| 22:54.23 | rabenvog1l | WOW |
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| 22:55.10 | kevin-leptons | that is work ? |
| 22:55.12 | rabenvog1l | y |
| 22:55.21 | rabenvog1l | why didn't i think of this first |
| 22:55.41 | rabenvog1l | well - thank you like a lot. |
| 22:55.42 | jmcnaught | rabenvog1l: do you remember doing "chattr +i php.ini" at some point? i see that attribute get recommended sometimes but i generally think it's silly because it's easy to forget |
| 22:55.55 | jmcnaught | rabenvog1l: cheers :) |
| 22:55.58 | kevin-leptons | funny |
| 22:56.18 | unborn | jmcnaught: hosting companies do this sometimes.. |
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| 22:56.42 | Pegasus_RPG | unborn: no, but I've done what that says already. At least it provides some debugging tools |
| 22:57.00 | unborn | and to be honest with you.. I wouldnt be thinking same rabenvog1l .. It did not come to my mind at all as well. |
| 22:57.06 | kevin-leptons | i never have problem. but who add 'i' att of php.ini ? |
| 22:57.07 | rabenvog1l | unborn & jmcnaught: could have been me - have that server for quite some time now and set the lamp stack up months ago |
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| 22:57.52 | rabenvog1l | just checked the guide i used - there it is ... :D |
| 22:57.56 | jmcnaught | rabenvog1l: usually i see +i getting used when a file keeps getting changed and someone doesn't know how to stop it from happening |
| 22:58.20 | hill-Menwith | hullorz |
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| 22:58.50 | hill-Menwith | How many bytes does a full install of Debian on a hard disk take? |
| 22:59.00 | rabenvog1l | yeah i thought it may just be a nice security feature - if people are now aware enough of this as i am for example :D |
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| 22:59.25 | Pegasus_RPG | unborn: so it's working now after a reboot |
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| 23:00.26 | unborn | Pegasus_RPG: could be that.. a bit unusual. |
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| 23:01.30 | jmcnaught | hill-Menwith: some answers in this appendix of the install manual: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds02.html.en |
| 23:01.38 | somiaj | hill-Menwith: hard question to answer because of the varity of packages that culd be included in a 'full install' |
| 23:01.45 | unborn | hill-Menwith: I think 4 - 6 gigs? |
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| 23:02.31 | unborn | hill-Menwith: naked system and ssh only should be less then 4 gigs.. lets say 10 gb disk would be more then fine |
| 23:03.03 | hill-Menwith | i want to put in everything ... including the kitchen sink |
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| 23:03.55 | axc1298 | just download all the dvds then |
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| 23:03.59 | axc1298 | and you will have everything there is |
| 23:04.26 | hill-Menwith | axc1298: but i wonder about decompressed, installation size |
| 23:04.33 | Pegasus_RPG | Next issue: I have an IPv4 DHCP server running on one box as well as an IPv6 autoconfiguration service on another that just gives the IPv6 address prefix. The problem is that dhclient gets the limited info from the IPv6 server and doesn't ask the IPv4 one which has more details. |
| 23:04.40 | hill-Menwith | how big should my partition be |
| 23:04.56 | jmcnaught | hill-Menwith: you probably don't want to install all of the packages in Debian, there's like 40,000 of them. some of them conflict with each other too. |
| 23:05.19 | hill-Menwith | jmcnaught: but only at runtime, no? |
| 23:05.50 | jmcnaught | hill-Menwith: if you just want a reasonable comprehensive desktop environment, productivity programs, some development tools, 15-20GB for the root filesystem is plenty |
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| 23:06.58 | hill-Menwith | ALL development tools ... for Ruby, Haskell, Python, Lisp, Android ... every development, including COBOL |
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| 23:07.53 | somiaj | hill-Menwith: you could set up LVM and adjust the size once you get everything installed |
| 23:07.57 | okee | My microphone went out on VOIP, and I can't remember how to fix it. I recall it is a configuration issue with the sound card, and requires opening up a piece of software to change the settings. Can someone remind me how this is done? I have a notepad with saved settings that should apply to the sound card if it is working correctly. |
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| 23:08.15 | unborn | hill-Menwith: for complet repository you should have 2tb disk minimum |
| 23:08.34 | Twinkletoes | I'm following the guide on wiki.samba.org to join samba as a DC to an existing AD domain. If the internal DNS server just forwards to a Windows DNS server, is it worth having samba as an additional DC? ie. what can it do without the Windows DC being there? |
| 23:08.35 | hill-Menwith | 2TB? seriously? |
| 23:08.39 | somiaj | okee: do you use pulseaudio or not |
| 23:08.44 | docmur | When I run ietadm --version I see trunk, how do I check which version of iSCSI I'm running? I think I'm running into a bug from 1.4.20.1 where I can't always delete a iSCSI target, so I did apt-get install iscsitarget and iscsitarget-dkms but I get: is not newer than what is already found in kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64 (trunk). |
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| 23:08.55 | unborn | hill-Menwith: if you want install whole repository then yes |
| 23:08.57 | okee | somiaj> I think I do, but trying to find it on here. |
| 23:09.03 | somiaj | hill-Menwith: debian has 20,000+ packages, you wno't be using most of those. But it is the size needed for the complect collection of all packages. |
| 23:09.16 | somiaj | okee: ps fax | grep pulse (do you see any processes running with pulse in the name) |
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| 23:09.18 | hill-Menwith | aight |
| 23:09.28 | kevin-leptons | hill-Menwith: pick an 2 tera bytes hd, i think that enough :) |
| 23:09.38 | mutante | okee: maybe "aumix" ? |
| 23:09.42 | okee | somiaj> I just found the program in the start menu. Give me about a minute to check the settings. |
| 23:09.53 | hill-Menwith | kevin-leptons: yeh. some good deals on 3 Ters |
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| 23:11.14 | somiaj | hill-Menwith: you can probabaly have a all the development tools and a desktop installed in debian for less than 30gigs (very rough guess). Any modern drive should have more than enough space (its the actual source code that can begin to take up a lot of space) |
| 23:11.14 | kevin-leptons | hill-Menwith: if able to pick 2 of 2 tera bytes hd, you can put bathroom into it :) |
| 23:11.32 | somiaj | hill-Menwith: if you use LVM you can adjust partition sizes at a later date if you didn't pick a good enough number. |
| 23:12.34 | unborn | hill-Menwith: oh sorry just re-read your need.. only dev tools? i guess you should be okay with 100gigs perhaps 500gigs for all within /home |
| 23:13.12 | hill-Menwith | somiaj: i see what you mean. probably makes sense to keep sources compressed, and decomp as needed |
| 23:13.20 | hill-Menwith | unborn: cool |
| 23:13.43 | somiaj | hill-Menwith: I'm just talking the size of the uncompressed binary packages, once you start collecting source code or creating your own the space can get used up faster. |
| 23:13.57 | hill-Menwith | kevin-leptons: and the inflatable backyard pool ... lol :) |
| 23:14.24 | hill-Menwith | somiaj: ok |
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| 23:15.38 | hill-Menwith | i'll say 500GB, for comfort sake, and it'll prolly accomodate growth of distro versions for the next 3 generations, i'd say |
| 23:16.36 | hill-Menwith | but by then, i'll just LVM more HDDs if need be |
| 23:17.12 | hill-Menwith | incidentally, what's a good encryption scheme for LVM? |
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| 23:18.03 | jmcnaught | hill-Menwith: the installer can setup LVM inside dm-crypt/luks encryption |
| 23:18.23 | hill-Menwith | jmcnaught: great |
| 23:18.42 | jmcnaught | hill-Menwith: you may want to manually reduce the size of the largest volume (it can be done in the installer) to leave some unallocated space |
| 23:19.11 | hill-Menwith | jmcnaught: to be able to increase volume sizes later on? |
| 23:19.58 | kevin-leptons | hill-Menwith: in problem seriously. you need have enough space for (package + dev-package + source + build-file + fragment + backup). so 1 TB are best. i think that |
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| 23:20.20 | hill-Menwith | kevin-leptons: i see. ok |
| 23:21.38 | Pegasus_RPG | Dammit, how can I find out what is overwriting /etc/resolv.conf ?! |
| 23:22.01 | sweettea | resolveconf? networkmanager? |
| 23:22.22 | LtL | Pegasus_RPG: probably network-manager |
| 23:22.40 | Pegasus_RPG | resolvconf is not installed. I removed isc-dhcp-client to test as well. What's network-manager's package name? |
| 23:23.01 | unborn | Pegasus_RPG: :) put your settings there and save and then do chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 23:23.35 | Pegasus_RPG | unborn: I thought about that, but that seems hacky. I'd like to do the "right" thing. :) |
| 23:23.53 | somiaj | install resolvconf or openresolv |
| 23:24.15 | sweettea | either disable network-manager or embrace it |
| 23:24.18 | Pegasus_RPG | yeah, network-manager is not installed either |
| 23:24.22 | Pegasus_RPG | so WTF |
| 23:24.36 | Pegasus_RPG | just has a bare install with nothing selected in tasksel |
| 23:24.39 | sweettea | dhcp? |
| 23:24.46 | somiaj | And then just let those programs keep your resolv.conf from changing, that is if you are not able to track down what is modifing that file. |
| 23:24.57 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: how do you configure your network? |
| 23:24.58 | unborn | Pegasus_RPG: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/174356 |
| 23:25.17 | Pegasus_RPG | somiaj: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:25.36 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: care to share that file with us. |
| 23:27.00 | Pegasus_RPG | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/713077/ |
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| 23:28.04 | Pegasus_RPG | Okay, I could use resolvconf, but what's weird is that another machine I have (which was upgraded from Wheezy) doesn't have that installed and it doesn't overwrite resolv.conf |
| 23:28.09 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: I don't think the allow-hotplug is the issue, but you may not need that (unless you want it triggering when a hotplug event is detected with your network) |
| 23:28.38 | sweettea | id dhcpdc running |
| 23:28.40 | sweettea | is* |
| 23:28.52 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: but I don't see anything that should be overwriting the resolv.conf file, maybe use iotop or some other tool to keep an eye on that file and see what is modifing it |
| 23:29.01 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: also do you have any files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/? |
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| 23:29.59 | Pegasus_RPG | somiaj: no files in there |
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| 23:30.23 | Pegasus_RPG | sweettea: no process with 'dhcp' in its name is running |
| 23:30.44 | juul | Pegasus_RPG: what about dhclient? |
| 23:31.01 | Pegasus_RPG | juul: no. I removed the package to be sure |
| 23:31.08 | sweettea | removed, but rebooted since? |
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| 23:31.14 | Pegasus_RPG | ah, no |
| 23:31.19 | sweettea | actually nm idk how deb does that |
| 23:31.22 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: I don't see any obvious culprit. I know systemd has a networkd that can mange network devices (as yet another tool). By default this should be disabled in debian, but maybe it got configured and systemd is the culrpit. |
| 23:31.26 | Pegasus_RPG | (though I don't see dhclient in ps) |
| 23:31.29 | sweettea | it would stop the proc b4 removing it, right? |
| 23:31.31 | juul | ps aux|grep dhclient ? |
| 23:31.39 | Pegasus_RPG | juul: yeah, nothing |
| 23:31.54 | mutante | 'pump' is another dhcp client |
| 23:31.59 | Pegasus_RPG | (well, other then the grep of course) |
| 23:32.14 | juul | dnsmasq? |
| 23:32.23 | Pegasus_RPG | somiaj: how could I check? |
| 23:32.30 | sweettea | that does not touch resolv.conf iirc |
| 23:32.32 | somiaj | Pegasus_RPG: I would just put a watch on the file and see if you could figure out which process is actually modifing the file. |
| 23:32.49 | sweettea | yea at this point id watch the file on reboot |
| 23:33.00 | sweettea | see what touches it |
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| 23:33.57 | juul | i'm pretty sure dnsmasq does touch resolv.conf |
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| 23:34.40 | juul | though maybe it happens through network-manager? |
| 23:34.49 | juul | i'd also run: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 23:35.47 | unborn | heh its midnight again.. meh good nite. |
| 23:36.08 | Pegasus_RPG | thanks for your help unborn |
| 23:36.30 | Pegasus_RPG | reads how to put a watch on a file |
| 23:36.31 | jmcnaught | !restart networking |
| 23:36.31 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, the use of the networking init script to reload networking configuration («/etc/init.d/networking restart») is discouraged. Instead, perform the actions you really want. Re-apply changes from /etc/network/interfaces: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0. Remove all iptables rules: iptables -F. See also <mdblows>. |
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| 23:37.10 | Pegasus_RPG | jmcnaught: okay. I've been in the habit of just doing ifdown && ifup anyway |
| 23:37.29 | jmcnaught | Pegasus_RPG: that was more for juul :) |
| 23:37.30 | sweettea | im super curious what the cuplrit is now |
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| 23:38.09 | Pegasus_RPG | sweettea: I'm rebooting then will install inotify |
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| 23:40.34 | Pegasus_RPG | made an edit and is watching the file to see if it gets clobbered first |
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| 23:41.24 | Pegasus_RPG | Hmm, it's staying put |
| 23:41.51 | Pegasus_RPG | sweettea: perhaps the isc-dhcp-client was the cuplrit. I'll reinstall it and see |
| 23:41.53 | sweettea | maybe you uninstalled the culprit |
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| 23:42.33 | kevin-leptons | i have go to bed, see you again |
| 23:43.06 | Pegasus_RPG | Oh, frikking aye, now the bond0 interface isn't working |
| 23:43.23 | Pegasus_RPG | Cannot find device "bond0" |
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| 23:44.43 | Pegasus_RPG | WTF?!?! It even says in the syslog that it's up, but ifconfig doesn't see it |
| 23:44.48 | juul | jmcnaught: aw i liked that command |
| 23:45.09 | juul | Pegasus_RPG: ifconfig -a ? also ifconfig is deprecated, use ip addr show |
| 23:45.11 | Pegasus_RPG | "bond0: error fetching interface information: Device not found" |
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| 23:45.26 | Pegasus_RPG | juul: ip addr doesn't list it either |
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| 23:45.37 | Pegasus_RPG | I didn't change my /etc/network/interfaces from what I pasted earlier |
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| 23:45.51 | Pegasus_RPG | reboots again |
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| 23:46.08 | juul | alright, i don't have experience with bonding |
| 23:46.18 | kevin-leptons | close |
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| 23:47.06 | Pegasus_RPG | wonders if he should install Wheezy from scratch then upgrade since that seems to be a more smooth process! |
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| 23:47.41 | hill-Menwith | Pegasus_RPG: let me mention something, before you reinstall |
| 23:47.49 | Pegasus_RPG | isn't serious... yet |
| 23:48.08 | Pegasus_RPG | but go ahead, hill-Menwith |
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| 23:49.11 | Pegasus_RPG | networking[403]: Configuring network interfaces...Cannot find device "bond0" |
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| 23:49.53 | Pegasus_RPG | oh jeez, apparently I can't ahve the "inet6 auto" line for a bonded interface |
| 23:50.05 | Pegasus_RPG | right, so back to fixing resolv.conf |
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| 23:50.42 | hill-Menwith | whenever i try to change settings of networking (host name, DNS, etc.) i get error "Could not access resolv.conf", or something to that effect. But the file is there: /etc/resolv.conf. No matter all permissions i give the file (ugo +rwx), error persists. |
| 23:51.11 | teraflops | Pegasus_RPG: how do you get the ip address? is it a fixed one or you get via dhcp? |
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| 23:52.07 | Pegasus_RPG | teraflops: static |
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| 23:52.50 | hill-Menwith | annoyed me. now i just ignore it, as long as my networking does what i want ... :| |
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| 23:53.49 | hill-Menwith | i tried writing the /etc/resolv.conf by hand . . . then something would rewrite it ... and say it couldn't find the file ... bleah |
| 23:53.56 | teraflops | Pegasus_RPG: how do you manage the network? e/n/i, NM (other?) |
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| 23:54.08 | Pegasus_RPG | sweettea: I still have the dhcp client removed and the file is still being changed. inotify is saying so but not telling me who or what process is changing it |
| 23:54.15 | Pegasus_RPG | teraflops: e/n/i |
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| 23:55.05 | teraflops | Pegasus_RPG: no any other services running? like dhcp instances or NM? |
| 23:55.51 | sweettea | damn |
| 23:56.04 | sweettea | wait inotify did not tell you what altered it? |
| 23:56.28 | Pegasus_RPG | sweettea: no, just that it's been opened, modified, and close_write'd |
| 23:56.59 | teraflops | Pegasus_RPG: do you specify the dns-nameservers in the e/n/i file? |
| 23:57.07 | Pegasus_RPG | teraflops: not at the moment |
| 23:57.10 | jmcnaught | Pegasus_RPG: is there anything in journalctl from the time it got modified? |
| 23:57.32 | sweettea | http://serverfault.com/questions/320716/find-out-which-process-is-changing-a-file |
| 23:57.46 | Pegasus_RPG | jmcnaught: no |
| 23:57.55 | teraflops | Pegasus_RPG: also no dnsmaq or unbound or resolvconf packages installed? |
| 23:58.00 | sweettea | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.21 | Pegasus_RPG | teraflops: nope. Bare base install here (plus ifenslave) |
| 23:58.38 | teraflops | Pegasus_RPG: also what does say ls -la /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 23:59.04 | Pegasus_RPG | sweettea: I just did 'inotifywait /etc/resolv.conf' which reports all events |
| 23:59.24 | Pegasus_RPG | teraflops: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 96 May 31 19:59 /etc/resolv.conf |