| 00:00.08 | Pegasus_RPG | ah HA! ii rdnssd 1.0.1-1+b1 amd64 IPv6 recursive DNS server discovery daemon |
| 00:00.20 | sweettea | ipv6 :/ |
| 00:00.22 | Pegasus_RPG | Must be a standard package |
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| 00:00.36 | teraflops | Pegasus_RPG: well install resolvconf package then |
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| 00:01.01 | sweettea | wtf is that service anyway |
| 00:01.10 | sweettea | recursive dns server discovery?? |
| 00:01.35 | Pegasus_RPG | I never (intentionally) installed it |
| 00:01.45 | teraflops | Pegasus_RPG: it's because youre using bonding. install resolvconf package and edit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base to your liking |
| 00:01.51 | Pegasus_RPG | checks the apt history |
| 00:02.01 | sweettea | https://www.slightfuture.com/how-to/debian-dns-resolv |
| 00:02.07 | mutante | ICMPv6 Neighbor Discovery |
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| 00:02.12 | mutante | dpkg: rfc 5006 |
| 00:02.12 | dpkg | mutante: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 00:02.21 | cluelessperson | Question, so I used debootstrap to setup a filresystem? I chrooted into it and created the environment I need. How do I "install" this on another computer? |
| 00:02.25 | Pegasus_RPG | teraflops, sweettea: removing rdnssd does the job |
| 00:02.39 | sweettea | why would bonding cause that |
| 00:03.08 | Pegasus_RPG | Thanks for working through this with me and your patience! |
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| 00:03.31 | teraflops | ^ |
| 00:03.33 | teraflops | heh |
| 00:03.51 | mutante | its funny that dnssd has "Conflicts: network-manager". i would have blamed network-manager for it :p |
| 00:03.56 | mutante | rdnssd |
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| 00:04.30 | Pegasus_RPG | Okay, so it appears it was installed automatically, right after acpi-support-base and before eject |
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| 00:04.43 | teraflops | sweettea: I thought resolv.conf got blank |
| 00:05.05 | sweettea | ah |
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| 00:05.24 | sweettea | well im off, gl to all |
| 00:05.31 | teraflops | o/ |
| 00:05.49 | Pegasus_RPG | teraflops: no, sorry, it was being clobbered with just IPv6 DNS server addresses (from my DHCPv6 RA box) |
| 00:05.55 | Pegasus_RPG | thanks sweettea |
| 00:06.27 | teraflops | oh I missed that info :P |
| 00:06.33 | teraflops | i was late to the party |
| 00:06.51 | Pegasus_RPG | No problem. I appreciate the sanity checks :) |
| 00:07.16 | Pegasus_RPG | wonders now if installing resolvconf would have fixed the problem too. |
| 00:07.29 | Pegasus_RPG | i.e. if rdnssd "plays nice" with resolvconf |
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| 00:08.10 | snfgf | gcc test.c -L/usr/local/lib -lzlog -lpthread; ./a.out -> "error loading shared libraries libzlog.so.1.1" |
| 00:08.26 | snfgf | ls -l /usr/local/lib shows libzlog.so.1.1 |
| 00:08.33 | teraflops | well is useful to get a fixed resolv.conf file even if youre running a dhcp client |
| 00:08.42 | snfgf | what might be wrong? |
| 00:08.57 | teraflops | Pegasus_RPG: ah well I guess so |
| 00:09.19 | Pegasus_RPG | snfgf: looking in the wrong places for it? try ldd a.out |
| 00:09.28 | klow | cluelessperson : you'll likely need a live CD or usb stick and be able to copy that chroot to the root of the disk you are installing it to , you can tarball the chroot (tar cvfpz ) or you can rsync it .. |
| 00:09.49 | klow | also, youll need to install the grub or other bootloader into the MBR of the target disk |
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| 00:10.45 | snfgf | Pegasus_RPG, libzlog.so.1.1 => not found, but it is in the directory I gave to -L switch...? |
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| 00:12.33 | cluelessperson | klow, hrm |
| 00:13.32 | klow | whats your end goal? I've used debootstrap and chroot to tweak things as you are doing, but my end goal was always to then use it with debian-live |
| 00:14.05 | cafuego | snfgf: Is /usr/local/lib listed in /etc/ld.so.conf? |
| 00:14.07 | klow | there are better ways IMO to get the environment you want and have it be repeatable , like preseeding , or config management with puppet, chef etc, or for devops and cloud stuff Docker/Rkt |
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| 00:16.18 | snfgf | cafuego, ld.so.conf includes all of ld.so.conf.d, and in that file I have 3 files, fakeroot-x86.conf, libc.conf, x86.conf |
| 00:16.27 | snfgf | /usr/local/lib is in libc.conf |
| 00:16.40 | snfgf | (in that directory)* |
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| 00:21.15 | snfgf | :( |
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| 00:25.45 | Grievre | snfgf: run ldconfig and failing that exit your session and log back in |
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| 00:26.46 | snfgf | Greivre: it worked o_O |
| 00:27.01 | snfgf | now i need to read the man page |
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| 00:32.16 | cafuego | sndb: and in those? |
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| 01:13.55 | buu | ok |
| 01:14.16 | buu | I need a magic incantation to let one debian box read files with ':' in the name over a samba mount from another debian box |
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| 01:16.21 | jmcnaught | buu: there's no colon-magic package :/ but did you try escaping the colon with a backslash? |
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| 01:18.31 | buu | jmcnaught: Yeah, that's not the problem |
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| 01:18.39 | buu | jmcnaught: samba just has issues with colons |
| 01:18.44 | buu | Because it's win95 technology |
| 01:19.54 | eipi10 | hi. where can I find the .xinit file .. so I can edit which session I log into? |
| 01:20.17 | eipi10 | there ins't one in my home folder. |
| 01:20.31 | jmcnaught | buu: i don't use samba but could you explain in more detail? what command are you using, what is the error? |
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| 01:20.57 | buu | jmcnaught: 'ls: reading directory '/tank/movies/Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009)': Not a directory' |
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| 01:21.24 | jmcnaught | eipi10: are you using startx? you can create it |
| 01:21.25 | buu | Samba will return filenames containing colons and such but if you attempt to send one as an arg it complains |
| 01:21.50 | jmcnaught | buu: can you show the command you used? |
| 01:22.00 | eipi10 | oh, ok. thanks. I thought I could. yes, i just installed lxde on openbox. |
| 01:22.36 | jmcnaught | eipi10: i use gdm |
| 01:22.56 | buu | jmcnaught: ls /tank/movies...transformers.. |
| 01:23.31 | eipi10 | could a GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: message I get on startup have anything to do with this? |
| 01:23.59 | deetwelve | i have an odd issue where i chown -R a folder to the specific user and its adding a random deleted user. anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:24.02 | jmcnaught | buu: i don't mean abbreviated, i mean the exact command and output. you can use http://paste.debian.net if it's more than a couple of lines |
| 01:24.17 | buu | jmcnaught: I'm genuinely confused what you're asking |
| 01:24.25 | buu | jmcnaught: You know the command I'm typing |
| 01:24.43 | eipi10 | I deleted the policykit line in the autostart file and unchecked the policykit box for 'lxsession startup' |
| 01:24.58 | jmcnaught | buu: i don't know if you're using Transformers\: or Transformers: |
| 01:25.14 | eipi10 | sorry, desktop session settings. |
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| 01:26.25 | jmcnaught | eipi10: sorry i'm not sure what you mean by that. what autostart file did you edit, and did you use "dpkg-reconfigure" to change some settings? on which package? |
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| 01:27.25 | eipi10 | ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart |
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| 01:27.51 | eipi10 | sry. I just noticed I don't have lightdm installed. |
| 01:28.11 | jmcnaught | eipi10: why did you disable policykit? |
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| 01:29.26 | yoLo_ | where is the image site for debian ? |
| 01:29.30 | eipi10 | umm, b/c i pasted this error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed in a search engine, followed a link and copy-catted. |
| 01:29.32 | yoLo_ | what* |
| 01:29.55 | eipi10 | you don't recommend? |
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| 01:31.06 | jmcnaught | eipi10: is this raspbian? policykit is useful, it's what manages permissions to configure networks with NetworkManager for example |
| 01:31.11 | markybob | yoLo_: i'm guessing you mean https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 01:31.36 | eipi10 | you got me, it's #!++ |
| 01:32.19 | eipi10 | hey, 647mb iso, cool widget theme. |
| 01:33.45 | jmcnaught | eipi10: you're welcome to see if the same problem happens in Debian. if it does then we can help you. |
| 01:34.02 | eipi10 | aww, it IS Debian. |
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| 01:34.15 | deetwelve | i have this werid issue when i change the permissions of a folder to anything, it changes the owner to a random deleted user. anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:34.36 | yoLo__ | markybob: i want to download the 32 bit version for an old netbook |
| 01:34.37 | jmcnaught | eipi10: is #!++ some crunchbang spinoff? |
| 01:34.44 | eipi10 | yes. |
| 01:34.48 | yoLo__ | does amd64 version suffice ? |
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| 01:35.06 | eipi10 | installing, you would think it's pure Debian. |
| 01:35.29 | jmcnaught | except it's not. doesn't it even have its own installer? |
| 01:35.38 | eipi10 | no. |
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| 01:35.50 | markybob | yoLo__: if you want to install on a 32 bit system you need 32 bit installer |
| 01:35.51 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell eipi10 about crunchbang |
| 01:35.57 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell eipi10 about based on debian |
| 01:36.07 | eipi10 | nor does Hydrogen, but they at least brand it Bunenlabs. |
| 01:36.22 | yoLo__ | markybob: yes how do i get that ? |
| 01:36.46 | jmcnaught | eipi10: why did you pick a small derivative instead of using Debian? I'm just curious. |
| 01:36.47 | yoLo__ | i see amd64 but don't see the 32 bit installer version |
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| 01:36.51 | markybob | yoLo__: have you been to the homepage? top right of it there's a link |
| 01:37.16 | yoLo__ | thanks.. |
| 01:37.33 | yoLo__ | so this prompts me if i want the 64 or 32 bit version right ? |
| 01:37.52 | eipi10 | umm, Ive tried the all. Arch, lubuntu..... Don't like Canonical politics, don't like the "Arch way".... |
| 01:37.54 | yoLo__ | during installation* |
| 01:38.12 | eipi10 | umm, arch and fedora are way too bleeding edge... |
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| 01:38.39 | eipi10 | I would use Centos, but no lxde repos. |
| 01:38.44 | markybob | yoLo__: the installer comes with both and if it only detects 32 bit that's what you get. if it sees 64 you can do that |
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| 01:39.05 | eipi10 | all their package manager are junk. |
| 01:39.16 | eipi10 | synaptic and apt and the best... |
| 01:39.21 | eipi10 | are^ |
| 01:39.55 | jmcnaught | eipi10: i look at it this way, Debian has quite a lot of people creating and supporting it. Lots of people working on Debian is one thing that makes it great, and it also has a large support community you can get help from |
| 01:40.25 | eipi10 | yeah, and it's rock solid. even the freakin installer is the cats meow. |
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| 01:41.02 | eipi10 | I downloaded a 'standard' debian iso. I wonder what that's all about. |
| 01:41.07 | error403 | I have finished migrating to another disk. Do I need to add the grub boot loader at bootup? Or can I add that now to the new disk? |
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| 01:41.23 | jmcnaught | derivatives might have some cool stuff implemented quicker than how Debian does things, but you're limited as to where you can ask questions |
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| 01:41.40 | eipi10 | yeah... |
| 01:42.16 | eipi10 | well, I'll come back if I install Debian. |
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| 01:48.07 | jmcnaught | error403: are you using grub-pc or grub-efi? |
| 01:48.54 | buu | jmcnaught: 'Transformers:' isn't a legal bash token |
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| 01:50.01 | buu | I've never been absolutely sure why |
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| 01:50.37 | error403 | jmcnaught> I don't think I am using either one, since both are showing up as new packages from apt-get install. I used the grub that came with Debian Jessie. |
| 01:51.41 | jmcnaught | buu: https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/manpages/vfs_catia.8.html |
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| 01:53.14 | jmcnaught | buu: hmm.. that might be outdated actually, but if it is there's probably something that replaces it |
| 01:53.30 | un214 | is there some way of adjusting TCP keepalive parameters for a single socket? |
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| 01:57.38 | error403 | jmcnaught> I am probably using some flavor of grub-pc, but probably different than the one in the Debian Repo. I am not on a Mac. |
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| 01:59.03 | jmcnaught | error403: what does "dpkg -l | grep grub" say? |
| 02:01.24 | err403 | jmcnaught> I am getting an error message indicating permission is denied, after running the command you suggested: cannot access â/var/lib/dpkg/triggers/Fileâ: Permission denied |
| 02:01.49 | err403 | jmcnaught> I attempted to run ls -l on the /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File, but my efforts were to no avail. |
| 02:02.11 | jmcnaught | err403: what happened when you used ls? |
| 02:02.35 | err403 | jmcnaught> ls: cannot access /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File: Permission denied |
| 02:02.50 | jmcnaught | err403: what if you run it as root? |
| 02:02.58 | jmcnaught | just the ls command |
| 02:03.14 | err403 | duh, now why didn't I think of that. The brain isn't working. |
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| 02:04.47 | err403 | jmcnaught> It comes up as grub-common, and grub-pc, both of which are in the repository, so I may have been prompted for an upgrade. |
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| 02:05.28 | jmcnaught | err403: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1951 Apr 27 20:46 /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File |
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| 02:05.44 | jmcnaught | err403: users should be able to read that file and use dpkg-query |
| 02:06.10 | err403 | jmcnaught> The files come up as grub-common and grub-pc. |
| 02:06.43 | jmcnaught | err403: i would like to see your ls -l output for that file, something's wrong |
| 02:08.21 | jmcnaught | err403: maybe you should have done a fresh install on the new SSD, booted into it, and then copied data over to it |
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| 02:09.05 | err403 | jmcnaught> I have a lot of things on here, so I am hoping the tar would save a little time. |
| 02:09.19 | jmcnaught | err403: anyways if you run "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" one of the questions lets you select which device to install grub to |
| 02:10.39 | jmcnaught | err403: you can also run "grub-install /dev/WHATEVER" and then "update-grub" |
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| 02:12.35 | err403 | jmcnaught> I just upgraded the grub with what is in the Debian Repo, and came up with this https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e2304f34/ The bottom two entries were added after the upgrade. |
| 02:14.09 | err403 | jmcnaught> bash: dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc: command not found |
| 02:14.36 | markybob | again, as root |
| 02:15.24 | err403 | markybob> I am already root https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c7db2492/ |
| 02:16.11 | jmcnaught | err403: earlier you said you ran "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File, but my efforts were to no avail." that was the output that i wanted to see |
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| 02:17.04 | err403 | jmcnaught> That was before I went to root. Once root there was no problem. |
| 02:17.23 | err403 | The results at root were grub-common and grub-pc. After the upgrade two more lines were run. |
| 02:17.50 | jmcnaught | err403: i know, but regular users should be able to read that file and use "dpkg -l", so i want to see the permissions on it |
| 02:19.13 | err403 | jmcnaught> I can't find the earlier lines since upgrading. |
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| 02:20.14 | jmcnaught | err403: i don't know what you mean. i'm just asking you to run "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File" and show me the output |
| 02:20.33 | mundus2018 | How might I fix this? http://i.imgur.com/SMGR45h.jpg |
| 02:21.21 | jmcnaught | mundus2018: what steps led to this point? do you have any straps? |
| 02:21.49 | err403 | jmcnaught> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/af956a69/ |
| 02:21.52 | mundus2018 | oops its upside down |
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| 02:22.04 | mundus2018 | I added a network to WPA_supplicant |
| 02:22.12 | err403 | jmcnaught> Ignore that. I pasted the wrong file. Give me 30 seconds. |
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| 02:23.12 | mundus2018 | and it wont connect |
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| 02:24.36 | mundus2018 | idk whats wrong |
| 02:24.45 | err403 | jmcnaught> The following paste shows ls -l with and without root. You have to be root in order for it to run on the results of the earlier command you posted https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b94f73cc/ |
| 02:25.47 | mundus2018 | I added network={ssid="Mundus" key_mgmt=NONE} |
| 02:25.54 | mundus2018 | (formatted oviously) |
| 02:26.19 | mundus2018 | fixed pic -- http://i.imgur.com/nh8NOtE.jpg?1 |
| 02:26.57 | jmcnaught | err403: you've probably removed -x in one of the parent directories, the ownership and permissions on that file look fine |
| 02:27.46 | jmcnaught | err403: anyways regular users should be able to run "dpkg -l" and also read that file |
| 02:28.15 | jmcnaught | err403: it's also puzzling that dpkg-reconfigure was not found. what if you run /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 02:28.43 | err403 | jmcnaught> I am not able to run the dpkg -reconfigure grub-pc, and get an error command not found. I checked the man page and don't find a reconfigure option. I do find a configure option, and a deconfigure option, but that is it. |
| 02:29.03 | jmcnaught | err403: dpkg-reconfigure with no space |
| 02:29.32 | jmcnaught | mundus2018: you added that network=... to what file? what's in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 02:30.02 | mundus2018 | Its added to /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 02:31.28 | jmcnaught | mundus2018: so there is no WPA key? |
| 02:31.36 | mundus2018 | no |
| 02:31.40 | mundus2018 | its an oepn network |
| 02:31.42 | mundus2018 | open |
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| 02:32.39 | err403 | jmcnaught> I stand to be corrected. dpkg-reconfigure has its own manpage, but I get an error indicating the command is not found. |
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| 02:33.28 | err403 | jmcnaught> Root fixed, and I am now at the menu screen. |
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| 02:33.47 | jmcnaught | mundus2018: you should consider using WPA2 for all wifi. But if you're not using WPA why are you using wpa_supplicant? See the example here: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 02:34.06 | jmcnaught | err403: it's not clear to me what you mean |
| 02:34.31 | err403 | jmcnaught> I had to be root in order to run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
| 02:34.48 | markybob | that's what i said |
| 02:34.49 | mundus2018 | I have an open network becuase my sisters iphone is broken and can only connect to open networks |
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| 02:36.52 | err403 | Hmm. I am thinking I should probably make a copy of the grub configuration file. I didn't really want to preserve windows, but it looks like it is included on the new drive. |
| 02:37.52 | err403 | I am going for a jog before it gets too late. will be back in an hour, and reboot then. Thanks for your help. |
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| 02:39.50 | mundus2018 | auto wlan0 |
| 02:39.51 | mundus2018 | allow-hotplug wlan0 |
| 02:39.54 | mundus2018 | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 02:39.57 | mundus2018 | wireless-essid Mundus |
| 02:40.00 | mundus2018 | that work? |
| 02:40.16 | dvs | mundus2018, you can't have both auto and allow-hotplug |
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| 02:40.59 | eipi10 | you're right. I decided to do a minimal net install. |
| 02:41.03 | jmcnaught | mundus2018: you might also need "wireless-mode managed" but that might be the default mode. I just use NetworkManager :) |
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| 02:42.20 | mundus2018 | yay that worked |
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| 02:50.35 | gustavi | hello, I juste install https://packages.debian.org/jessie/texlive-fonts-extra with success but the merriweather is not in fc-list, any idea ? |
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| 02:55.22 | jmcnaught | gustavi: did you try "fc-cache -fv" ? |
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| 02:55.39 | gustavi | yes |
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| 02:57.19 | gustavi | and not entry with the police during the `fc-cache` |
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| 03:06.19 | jmcnaught | gustavi: i don't have that package installed, but did it make symlinks into /usr/share/fonts? maybe there's a README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/texlive-fonts-extra? |
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| 03:06.43 | cluelessperson | Question, what's the middle click clipboard called? |
| 03:06.53 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: selection buffer |
| 03:06.58 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, THANK YOU |
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| 03:09.39 | deetwelve | hi, i have an issue with debian. when i chown -R a folder its adding a different user that was previously deleted. chown -R guest2:guest2 /home/guest2/ will chown it to like test2. any ideas? |
| 03:10.24 | klow | users and groups have numerical values in /etc/passwd and /etc/group |
| 03:10.32 | klow | its probably got mixed up ? |
| 03:11.00 | deetwelve | its only doing it for 3 users. everyone else will chown correctly. |
| 03:11.23 | deetwelve | even after deleting the user and readding it, isnt fixing it. |
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| 03:13.59 | deetwelve | looks like its setting the group correctly but the owner is being set to something else. |
| 03:15.44 | deetwelve | ok werid |
| 03:16.07 | deetwelve | my fault, winscp was chaching the name. i shut it down, reopened and i see the correct name. |
| 03:16.16 | deetwelve | caching* |
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| 03:36.37 | c-c | weird: a debian jessie iso just installed a system without sudo/aptitude/ifconfig/etcetera. Used the graphical installer. It reported no problems, but did not offer a DE choice -dialogue. |
| 03:37.22 | c-c | I used the same usb on the same machine earlier, but trialed the expert install: got a fully working LXDE system |
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| 03:39.38 | sideup66 | hello room, can anyone help me with fail2ban and ssh |
| 03:39.49 | sideup66 | it seems like it comes with a default, but i cant get it to actually ban |
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| 03:40.51 | jelly | c-c: was there a lack of network connectivity during install? |
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| 03:45.30 | c-c | jelly: as far as I can tell, no, but I was wondering if some problem with apt-get update might cause that |
| 03:46.39 | theraspberry | for my information. When using testing you are supposed to add the testing repo, not replace it right? |
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| 03:46.49 | theraspberry | cause I might have replaced it.. |
| 03:47.14 | c-c | are you talking about your sources.list? |
| 03:47.23 | theraspberry | yeah |
| 03:48.06 | theraspberry | did I stuff up? |
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| 03:48.31 | c-c | lets see, let me focus my psychic powers, and telepathically read your hd from 5000 km away |
| 03:49.40 | c-c | or, perhaps you will have to pastie your sources.list |
| 03:49.44 | c-c | theraspberry: ^ |
| 03:50.03 | theraspberry | sorry, I did not realise I wasn't clear enough. one moment. |
| 03:51.02 | sideup66 | found the prblem |
| 03:51.06 | sideup66 | problem nevermind |
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| 03:52.50 | theraspberry_ | http://pastebin.com/raw/SPNY2cvi |
| 03:53.35 | theraspberry | the commented lines were added to try and solve it, but now I'm stumped. |
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| 03:54.36 | c-c | theraspberry: I'd use the debian http mirror for your country |
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| 03:55.07 | c-c | theraspberry: also mixing testing and stable (jessie and stretch) is unpossible |
| 03:55.24 | c-c | but I guess you knew you can install packages from testing |
| 03:55.42 | theraspberry | is there a problem with using the one from my local university? |
| 03:56.04 | c-c | "The One"? The one cow? The one foo? bar? |
| 03:56.17 | theraspberry | the repo. |
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| 03:57.10 | Sark | Have a clean install on a laptop - fighting with a couple bugs. For one, ctrl-alt-Fx does not bring me to a virtual console. |
| 03:57.13 | Sark | I just get a black screen. |
| 03:57.16 | c-c | theraspberry: I don't know, what does $ apt-get update say? |
| 03:57.31 | Sark | Also, fighting with trying to set emulate3buttons on the trackpad. |
| 03:57.34 | c-c | Sark: whatabout F2 |
| 03:57.39 | Sark | black screen |
| 03:57.52 | c-c | hit enter |
| 03:58.04 | Sark | Yeah, still black |
| 03:58.16 | Sark | and ctrl-alt-F7 won't bring me back to X |
| 03:58.38 | Sark | That stays black. But ctrl-alt-F1 *will* bring me back to X. |
| 03:58.51 | Sark | So, two bugs. One, no virtual consoles. Two, X is on the wrong console. |
| 03:58.54 | Sark | Related? |
| 03:59.01 | c-c | hm, I think the F2 tty may be gone |
| 03:59.16 | Sark | Yeah - but I have *no* ttys |
| 03:59.28 | Sark | also, if I exit X, I don't get back to anything. Screen just stays black. |
| 03:59.32 | Sark | I have to reboot. |
| 04:00.11 | theraspberry | c-c: That runs fine. What I wanted to do in the first place was just to run testing, for some packages that are newer. At first I replaced jessie with stretch but then something else had broke and I guess I broke it harder by adding jessie back in. |
| 04:00.45 | awwal | Sark, jessie? |
| 04:00.52 | c-c | well why not finish what you started theraspberry |
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| 04:02.42 | c-c | theraspberry: you should pick one now |
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| 04:03.10 | theraspberry | I picked testing, I just removed my repo line. |
| 04:03.20 | c-c | theraspberry: then you may have to update/upgrade and possibly even remove/purge/reinstall packages |
| 04:03.39 | c-c | theraspberry: you have your own repo line? |
| 04:04.46 | theraspberry_ | c-c, http://pastebin.com/raw/pVSL9Stb |
| 04:04.48 | c-c | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-process |
| 04:05.17 | c-c | theraspberry_: weird, still looks like mixing 2 releases to me |
| 04:05.21 | c-c | what are you doing? |
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| 04:05.29 | c-c | a fruit salad? |
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| 04:06.11 | Sark | awwal - yes |
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| 04:09.21 | somiaj | theraspberry_: you will want to fully dist-upgrade to stretch now that you have changed your sources.list to be running stretch |
| 04:09.36 | c-c | not quite |
| 04:09.46 | somiaj | theraspberry_: also you don't need the jessie/updates security sources either in testing |
| 04:10.05 | c-c | theraspberry_: you will want to follow the instructions above (update&upgrade, then dist-upgrade) |
| 04:10.16 | theraspberry | somiaj: Oh well thanks for telling me, never seen that in docs. |
| 04:10.53 | somiaj | theraspberry: you probabaly also didn't see in the docs it was okay to install stretch packages in sid. |
| 04:11.30 | c-c | reading the docs often helps |
| 04:11.36 | somiaj | theraspberry: anyways, stretch can run okay (despite you may find bugs), you just need to be fully upgraded to stretch. |
| 04:11.44 | c-c | (in addition to seeing the docs) |
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| 04:14.59 | c-c | to me these release notes for stretch seem to be great work! https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/index.en.html |
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| 04:16.54 | theraspberry | Okay, let me refresh your memory. I was running my sources.list exactly how It is in the last paste. I did a apt-get upgrade and everything was fine for a while, and then today when I went to install ffmpeg my dependencies were broken. I made a mistake in thinking that adding jessie back to my sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade was the right thing to do which now I have learnt wasn't. I just want to use testing, where should I go fro |
| 04:16.55 | theraspberry | m here. |
| 04:17.44 | c-c | did you do update as well? |
| 04:17.51 | theraspberry | refresh wasn't exactly the best word but. yeah. |
| 04:17.58 | theraspberry | yeah |
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| 04:18.28 | theraspberry | I did run update today with the "Frankenstein" sources.list |
| 04:18.34 | c-c | theraspberry: did you do dist-upgrade also? |
| 04:18.39 | theraspberry | yes I did. |
| 04:18.49 | c-c | why didn't you write so? |
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| 04:19.37 | theraspberry | My apology, I was to eager and it was my mistake for not saying so. |
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| 04:19.40 | c-c | whew, milking is such difficlt business |
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| 04:19.51 | c-c | I'm done! |
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| 04:21.11 | somiaj | theraspberry: remove the jessie security sources, have pure stretch sources and apt-get dist-upgrade to be running stretch fully. You may have to fix any dependency issues apt is unable to |
| 04:22.48 | theraspberry | somiaj: is there supposed to be stretch security sources? or should I just comment out the security source altogether. |
| 04:24.13 | Sark | Another problem - how can I enable Emulate3Buttons? |
| 04:24.19 | Sark | It used to just be an option in xorg.conf |
| 04:24.23 | Sark | then it was in xorg.conf.d |
| 04:24.35 | Sark | now there isn't even an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 04:25.48 | somiaj | theraspberry: stretch does not have security updates. SEcurity fixes are applied by uploading the new package into sid and waiting for it to get into testing (though regurally the security team elevates the package and it gets into testing as soon as it is in sid. |
| 04:26.16 | theraspberry | somiaj: ah right, thank you for clarifying. |
| 04:26.33 | somiaj | Sark: either works |
| 04:27.02 | somiaj | Sark: just by default there is no need fora config. You can eitehr choose to use a single /etc/X11/xorg.conf file or split everything up into config snippits in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 04:27.08 | somiaj | Sark: just create the file or directory |
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| 04:28.45 | Sark | somiaj - OK, so, I just create an xorg.conf and put in just the options I want to add to the exiting automatic configuration? |
| 04:29.29 | Sark | how do I refer to the mouse though? It's using evdev, it's no longer a /dev/input/ sort of thing |
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| 04:29.54 | sideup66 | hey room, where is the default httpd.conf stored? |
| 04:29.57 | sideup66 | for apache |
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| 04:30.39 | somiaj | Sark: correct. So you just need to only create a section for the mouse input. EVerythign else you can leave alone |
| 04:30.55 | Sark | cool. Thantks |
| 04:30.56 | Sark | thanks |
| 04:31.01 | somiaj | Sark: you can check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what it detcted if you need to debug it. |
| 04:31.46 | jelly | sideup66: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf but read: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
| 04:32.01 | sideup66 | i see, thank you |
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| 04:33.59 | Sark | somiaj - so, the other problem is once X starts, I have no way to get out of it. If I kill or end X, it goes to a blank screen, I don't get my console back. And I can't ctrl-alt-Fx to the other consoles any more. |
| 04:34.07 | Sark | If I try when X is running, the other consoles are all blank. |
| 04:34.23 | Sark | but if I do it before I start X, it's fine, I have consoles on F1-F6 |
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| 04:36.37 | somiaj | Sark: what desktop/wm do you use? |
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| 04:37.13 | Sark | I'm using i3, but the same bug occurred when I was just using twm |
| 04:37.28 | somiaj | Sark: and how do you run i3? From $HOME/.xsession? |
| 04:37.44 | somiaj | Sark: use startx or a display manager? What happens when you kill/exit out of the wm? |
| 04:38.51 | Sark | I just used the Debian configuration to set i3 as the window manager, and I use startx |
| 04:39.29 | Sark | If I exit i3 using meta-shift-e, I get a black screen once I click yes |
| 04:40.36 | Sark | If I kill the window manager by typing kill <pid>, I also get a black screen |
| 04:41.20 | somiaj | Sark: ctrl-alt-backspace is disabled by default now. It sounds like it could be some graphics driver issue, releasing it back to the console. What graphics card/driver do you have? Do you see anything in Xorg.0.log that could be relevent |
| 04:41.29 | Sark | ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing |
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| 04:41.58 | somiaj | Sark: as I said, it is disabled per default. |
| 04:42.18 | Sark | Oh *dis*abled. |
| 04:42.22 | Sark | Huh - how do I fix that? |
| 04:42.39 | somiaj | Sark: its an xorg.conf option I belive |
| 04:43.23 | Sark | Looks like it's using the Silicon Motion Lynx driver - SMI |
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| 04:43.55 | sideup66 | i got it up jelly, decided to fix it the lazy way and just make a redirect landing page |
| 04:43.57 | sideup66 | :p |
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| 04:46.53 | sideup66 | ok folks |
| 04:47.16 | somiaj | Sark: don't recognizne that card. I would check the xorg log and dmesg and see if you can find what is causing the issue. |
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| 04:55.44 | theraspberry_ | somiaj, so now I am getting "E: Package 'libgnutls-deb0-28' has no installation candidate" after changing my sources.list to http://pastebin.com/raw/H20tN0Ln and doing a apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 04:59.59 | somiaj | theraspberry_: that package has been removed from stretch, you'll probabably ahve to remove it from your system and any package that requires that as a lib |
| 05:00.22 | theraspberry_ | ah right.. |
| 05:00.30 | NeilHanlon | heyo everyone |
| 05:00.55 | somiaj | looks like it is a package name upgrade or something, not quite sure |
| 05:02.05 | NeilHanlon | I'm doing a very lazy thing, and am trying to take the SSD from my desktop at work, and make my new laptop boot off of it. I foresaw no problems with this--as I'm pretty sure the desktop was installed in UEFI mode... but the new laptop doesn't even appear to *attempt* to boot the drive |
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| 05:02.27 | NeilHanlon | I've turned off secure boot, and put it in uefi-only w/ CSM disabled. |
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| 05:03.36 | somiaj | NeilHanlon: you may have to manually scan the efi partition for the .efi file |
| 05:06.15 | NeilHanlon | somiaj: how might I go about doing that? |
| 05:07.19 | somiaj | NeilHanlon: might depend on the firmware, but in my settings I could actually navagiate though the drives and efi partition to look for .efi files |
| 05:07.45 | NeilHanlon | ah... I don't think the lenovo firmware allows for that. |
| 05:07.57 | NeilHanlon | it's also not true uefi firmware, I don't think |
| 05:08.30 | somiaj | you may have to use a live medium that cna boot efi or the debian installer rescue shell, chroot into y our install and install setup grub |
| 05:08.53 | NeilHanlon | yeah. I was thinking of doing a grub-install from the gparted live disk |
| 05:09.50 | NeilHanlon | Do you know if I have to take any considerations due to my data being in an encrypted lvm? ie, does grub need to know about the LUKS crypt |
| 05:09.50 | somiaj | NeilHanlon: I would double check it is grub-efi that is installed vs grub-pc if you are wanting efi boot |
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| 05:12.22 | theraspberry_ | somiaj, so would the easiest way be to re-install jessie from scratch and then configure testing straight from the get go unlike last time where I did it when I wanted a package? I have a separate /home in my lvm encryption. |
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| 05:15.13 | somiaj | theraspberry_: that is the suggested way to install testing, is upgrade a minimial jessie install then install the rest of the software youw ant. |
| 05:15.25 | somiaj | theraspberry_: as to if it is easier than trying to fix your current install, the choice is yours. |
| 05:16.16 | theraspberry_ | somiaj, would it be easy to fix my current install or? |
| 05:16.24 | theraspberry_ | that's pretty much my question. |
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| 05:17.09 | somiaj | theraspberry_: I would try and fix the isntall myself, but I don't know what sort of state it really is in and how much work it would take. |
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| 05:21.01 | markybob | reinstall would take 30 minutes. probably faster than trying to figure out how broken it is. but i haven't followed the convo. |
| 05:21.29 | somiaj | markybob: stuck somewhere between jessie->stretch |
| 05:22.04 | theraspberry_ | ^ |
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| 05:22.49 | theraspberry_ | my current install is based on lvm encryption, Not exactly sure how I would go overwriting my root partition in the encrypted lvm and keeping my home the same on the install. |
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| 05:23.11 | markybob | yeah reinstall. then go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask what the state of stretch is. if it's bad, don't upgrade, but they can help you better with that |
| 05:25.25 | theraspberry_ | right. Though now I'm kinda wondering if I should be using debian at all if its not official. This machine is supposed to me my "trusted" install. |
| 05:25.51 | somiaj | theraspberry_: then use stable, that is what debian stable is for. A solid stable intall. |
| 05:26.32 | markybob | theraspberry_: testing doesn't have security support |
| 05:26.35 | Hydroxide | stretch/testing is official but not an official current release. it's the early stages of an official future release. somiaj is correct if you want something that's expected to perform reliably. |
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| 05:28.52 | theraspberry_ | yeah. I guess I should have just built openjdk from source instead of upgrading.. Live and learn. |
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| 05:29.47 | somiaj | theraspberry_: what version of java did you need? |
| 05:30.00 | theraspberry_ | openjdk8 |
| 05:30.07 | theraspberry_ | 7 was default install im sure. |
| 05:30.12 | somiaj | ,v openjdk-8-jdk |
| 05:30.13 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u91-b14-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u91-b14-2; sid: 8u91-b14-2 |
| 05:30.22 | somiaj | theraspberry_: you can install it from jessie-backports in jessie. |
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| 05:31.13 | theraspberry_ | gah, now I'm confused. |
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| 05:32.44 | somiaj | theraspberry_: debian provides select packages from stretch compiled to run with jessie libs for you to use if you want, as opposed to building your own package. |
| 05:33.21 | jmcnaught | there's also java-package (but i would use openjdk-8-jdk from backports over that) |
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| 06:52.09 | fishcooker | i have two internet connection fastest via wlan but i usually use eth0 for daily ops.. in case i want to download using wlan but parallelly i can do daily ops with eth0 is it possible? |
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| 07:34.56 | petn-randall | fishcooker: Do you want to do load balancing? |
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| 07:35.15 | qwwww | What wifi card has the best debian support |
| 07:35.23 | petn-randall | !best |
| 07:35.24 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 07:41.08 | Iridos | petn-randall, for support! |
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| 07:42.27 | Iridos | dpkg, wifi |
| 07:42.27 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 07:43.04 | Iridos | qwwww, look at the list above... you can look at the factoids for the different chipsets with e.g. /msg dpkg atheros (to just pick the first one) |
| 07:45.18 | Iridos | the grim people in the wiki are probably only so grim because the stuff needs a firmware blob... which is a bit of a hassle during installation, but probably not a real problem overall |
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| 07:47.49 | fishcooker | petn-randall: i don't what's the term ... i want to route all connection for daily ops using eth0 but for download i want to use wlan0 parallelly |
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| 07:49.36 | Iridos | that doesn't even make sense! |
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| 08:13.04 | thms | Since jessie I cannot get program to start at boot (namely rsync) |
| 08:13.11 | thms | /etc/default/rsync is set to true |
| 08:13.17 | thms | rc-update.d defaults |
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| 08:13.22 | thms | rc2.d has an entry |
| 08:13.28 | AlexPortable | How to start x with my screen resolution? |
| 08:13.37 | thms | made do the horrible thing: @reboot /etc/init.d/rsync start.. |
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| 08:16.16 | themill | thms: which init system are you using? |
| 08:16.34 | thms | I don't know.. I use debian stable.. |
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| 08:16.40 | thms | Installed 2 months ago |
| 08:16.54 | FinalX | systemd then, most likely, as that's the default |
| 08:17.02 | thms | yeah and as I have service |
| 08:17.07 | themill | "systemctl enable rsync" |
| 08:17.13 | thms | let's try |
| 08:17.39 | themill | do you have an /etc/rsyncd.conf? |
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| 08:18.16 | thms | works ! |
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| 08:18.19 | thms | themill, yes |
| 08:18.25 | thms | everything's fine now :) |
| 08:18.50 | themill | (#764616 for reference) |
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| 08:33.18 | ueber | hi there |
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| 08:34.54 | ueber | I increased the disk space on my VM, I was not able to expand the partition to the full disk size |
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| 08:35.26 | ueber | resize2fs had no effect |
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| 08:35.49 | ueber | the partition size is still 20G, but should be 50G |
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| 08:35.54 | FinalX | uh |
| 08:35.56 | AlexPortable | What is the most simple window manager? |
| 08:36.01 | FinalX | resize2fs doesn't touch partitions |
| 08:36.04 | AlexPortable | it should display a window, and another window |
| 08:36.14 | FinalX | resize2fs resizes the filesystem after _you_ enlarged the partition |
| 08:36.15 | AlexPortable | so if i close the second window the first window should come back again |
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| 08:36.18 | ueber | I altered the partion with fdisk |
| 08:36.51 | FinalX | well, you just stated your partition size is still 20G, and you expect it to be 50G; partitions are not the same as filesystems |
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| 08:37.07 | ueber | this is what I see with "fdisk -l" |
| 08:37.31 | ueber | Disk /dev/vdb: 50 GiB, 53687091200 bytes, 104857600 sectors |
| 08:37.41 | ueber | Device Start End Sectors Size Type /dev/vdb1 2048 41943006 41940959 20G Linux filesystem |
| 08:37.51 | FinalX | so the partition is still 20G |
| 08:37.58 | ueber | yes |
| 08:38.13 | ueber | I tried removing it, and recreating it |
| 08:38.22 | FinalX | that should work, but what should it be? |
| 08:38.33 | FinalX | (just remember to use the same start sector!) |
| 08:38.46 | ueber | after removing and recreating it, it's still 20G |
| 08:39.29 | ueber | yes I used the same start sector |
| 08:39.38 | FinalX | do you have other partitions taking up space? or, if it's your root filesystem that is probably still in use, the disk probably hasn't been rescanned yet, in that case, partprobe might help, and if it doesn't, you might need to reboot |
| 08:40.36 | ueber | on this device I've got only one partition |
| 08:41.03 | ueber | only /dev/vdb1 |
| 08:41.27 | ueber | when creating a new partion it asks: |
| 08:41.28 | FinalX | ok, did you unmount it before recreating it? that usually messes up a proper rescan of the drive |
| 08:41.29 | ueber | Last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G,T,P} (2048-41943006, default 41943006): |
| 08:41.40 | ueber | yes I umount it |
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| 08:41.55 | FinalX | what if you enter 104857600 instead? |
| 08:42.03 | FinalX | which is the amount of sectors of the drive |
| 08:42.11 | ueber | I tried entering 50G |
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| 08:42.47 | FinalX | it's better to do it with the precise sector, because 50G might not work since you start at sector 2048 |
| 08:42.49 | ueber | Value out of range, for 104857600 |
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| 08:43.22 | FinalX | weird, kinda sounds like a disk issue; did you try have a look with smartctl -a /dev/vdb? (package smartmontools) |
| 08:43.53 | FinalX | it also seems like a virtual disk, perhaps your virtualisation software swapped disks around .. we had someone in #zfsonlinux where that happened with virtualbox |
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| 08:44.53 | ueber | it's a VPS |
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| 08:47.07 | ueber | FinalX: any suggestions? |
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| 08:50.41 | ghormoon | hi, any idea why nopasswd sudo like this doesn't work? http://pastebin.com/wCruuy8D |
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| 08:53.00 | FinalX | ueber: other than what I gave, I think I'm all out now :/ |
| 08:53.29 | ueber | smartctl ? |
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| 09:11.25 | AlexPortable | What is the most simple window manager? I don't want alt or hotkeys like alt tab |
| 09:11.31 | AlexPortable | Just open the window |
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| 09:12.23 | nkuttler | AlexPortable: look into ratpoison |
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| 09:19.02 | AlexPortable | nkuttler: how can i start iceweasel with it? |
| 09:19.06 | AlexPortable | Error: junk arguments: iceweasel |
| 09:19.49 | AlexPortable | also ratpoison wont fullscreen my window |
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| 09:20.32 | teraflops | AlexPortable: all tiling WM behaves almost the same, dwm, xmonad, i3. i3 have sane defaults so you have a working tiled env in 5 minutes |
| 09:20.47 | AlexPortable | tiled env = ? |
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| 09:20.59 | teraflops | environment |
| 09:20.59 | AlexPortable | whats the default window manager when i installed xterm and xinit ? |
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| 09:21.08 | AlexPortable | tiled means fullscreen window? |
| 09:21.22 | teraflops | I prefer xmonad or just dwm but i3 is widely used |
| 09:21.44 | teraflops | AlexPortable: kinda yes |
| 09:21.54 | AlexPortable | is it possible to configure the default one tiled? |
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| 09:22.26 | teraflops | AlexPortable: idk which one is the default one |
| 09:22.31 | AlexPortable | oh |
| 09:22.37 | AlexPortable | openbox and blackbox just give me my screen resolution |
| 09:22.50 | AlexPortable | the default one and ratpoison and matchbox give me like a 800x600 window |
| 09:22.53 | AlexPortable | and the rest of the screen black |
| 09:22.58 | teraflops | AlexPortable: no idea about open/blackbox |
| 09:24.30 | AlexPortable | how can i find out which is being installed by default? |
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| 09:26.54 | teraflops | AlexPortable: I don't undesrtand what you mean |
| 09:27.06 | Iridos | how was that program/script called that ends another program you run with it |
| 09:27.27 | teraflops | AlexPortable: you mean when you install xterm and xinit? |
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| 09:28.10 | teraflops | AlexPortable: afaik none |
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| 09:28.38 | AlexPortable | yes |
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| 09:29.00 | AlexPortable | teraflops: well i want something with that functionality, but then fullscreen windows |
| 09:29.03 | AlexPortable | and not half of my screen |
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| 09:29.46 | teraflops | AlexPortable: install i3 or dwm or xmonad or awesome ⦠|
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| 09:29.52 | AlexPortable | they all have hotkeys |
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| 09:31.01 | AlexPortable | dwm has workspaces |
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| 09:32.00 | AlexPortable | i3 has information about the network and stuff in the bottom |
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| 09:32.57 | teraflops | AlexPortable: you mean something like this? https://ptpb.pw/DJkX.webm |
| 09:32.59 | Iridos | timeout! ... my... it's in coreutils |
| 09:33.25 | AlexPortable | teraflops: no |
| 09:33.47 | AlexPortable | i mean something like this: apt-get install openbox && startx /usr/bin/iceweasel |
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| 09:35.35 | teraflops | AlexPortable: create a .xinitrc and put xinit /usr/bin/iceweasel at the bottom? |
| 09:35.39 | teraflops | then startx |
| 09:36.22 | teraflops | or setup a tilling wm properly |
| 09:36.33 | AlexPortable | how can i set it up properly? |
| 09:36.42 | AlexPortable | i dont want the user to do anything else than the browser + The window it opens |
| 09:36.44 | teraflops | confiure it |
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| 09:37.55 | teraflops | AlexPortable: tried just xinit /usr/bin/iceweasel from tty? |
| 09:38.14 | AlexPortable | whats the difference between xinit and startx ? |
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| 09:39.48 | teraflops | AlexPortable: xinit just starts X startx does more things |
| 09:39.59 | AlexPortable | what's better? |
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| 09:40.12 | teraflops | depends on what you want |
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| 09:40.20 | AlexPortable | what are 'more things' ? |
| 09:40.55 | teraflops | i.e xauth |
| 09:41.08 | AlexPortable | do i need that? |
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| 09:41.25 | teraflops | well I'm not you :P |
| 09:41.48 | AlexPortable | i dont know what it does |
| 09:42.04 | AlexPortable | people turn on the pc, and they get a fullscreen browser |
| 09:42.11 | AlexPortable | they are on a website which opens another program |
| 09:42.33 | AlexPortable | that program has a quit button, when people press it the program closes (and the browser comes up again) |
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| 09:54.50 | mazert | can someone remember me the cmd to list instelled files of a packet ? thanks |
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| 09:56.59 | mazert | dpkg -L foo.deb |
| 09:56.59 | dpkg | ii foo.deb 2.8-12.2 mazert's private stamp collection |
| 09:57.12 | mazert | :p |
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| 10:03.37 | Iridos | mazert, "man dpkg" is your friend...and it's -L |
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| 10:43.01 | johnnybravo | hello, i dist-upgraded Kali to "4.5.0-kali1-amd64", and my firefox font wasn't displaying. installing font-cantarell helped change the blocks to text, but there are no spaces and punctuation still. Any help appreciated! |
| 10:43.12 | teraflops | !kali |
| 10:43.12 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 11:13.11 | yareckon | dammit imagemagick |
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| 11:33.50 | mirazi_heket | hello, can someone help me with stunnel4 configuration? i got this error: |
| 11:33.51 | mirazi_heket | http://dpaste.com/2Y86Z8F |
| 11:34.09 | mirazi_heket | and here is conf on client side (client side is malfunctioning): http://dpaste.com/0A17857 |
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| 11:35.36 | teraflops | mirazi_heket: it looks like the error is self explanatory |
| 11:36.05 | mirazi_heket | teraflops: i agree, though stunnel4 is not running when im trying to start |
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| 11:36.15 | teraflops | /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf â You should check that you have specified the pid= in you configuration file ? |
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| 11:36.33 | mirazi_heket | that makes me wonder too |
| 11:37.37 | teraflops | not the systemd unit I guess, the /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf file. just guessing from the output though, I do not use stunnel |
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| 11:38.22 | teraflops | mirazi_heket: why do you put the pid file in /etc? also does that file exist? |
| 11:39.17 | mirazi_heket | teraflops: it does not exist |
| 11:39.29 | teraflops | create it |
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| 11:41.45 | mirazi_heket | i created it but there is no difference, maybe i will change that to /var/run |
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| 11:42.30 | teraflops | mirazi_heket: is there any reference to pid= in /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf ? |
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| 11:42.59 | mirazi_heket | pid = /var/run/stunnel.pid |
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| 11:43.37 | teraflops | mirazi_heket: then tell the systemd unit file to use that file |
| 11:43.50 | AJ_Z0 | What's the "right way" to remove all desktop packages from an install (sid)? I'm unaware of any metapackage, package group, etc. and removing a base package like libX11-6 doesn't take out many others as dependencies. RTFM and STFW effort continue with no useful results so far |
| 11:44.02 | teraflops | and check if it exists when starting the service, if not go create it |
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| 11:46.18 | x-fak | hi |
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| 11:46.43 | x-fak | can you tell me where exactly are located the iptables rules in memory? |
| 11:46.52 | Brigo | AJ_Z0, packages installed automatically (as dependencies) and no needed any more can be removed with apt-get autoremove. |
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| 11:48.07 | abrotman | x-fak: uh, no, why? |
| 11:48.10 | AJ_Z0 | Brigo: Understood and I've not checked for orphans after removing libX11 in the hope that I can find the "right way" and not have to clean up my mess |
| 11:48.33 | teraflops | x-fak: you missed a ","? |
| 11:48.53 | AJ_Z0 | FWIW, "tasksel --task-packages desktop" gives "task-desktop", which is not a valid apt target |
| 11:50.01 | teraflops | x-fak: you meant thare's no default ruleset and/or you cannot find the file that define the default rules? |
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| 11:52.16 | x-fak | teraflops miss a "," ? |
| 11:52.52 | teraflops | x-fak: I wonder if you wanted to ask: can you tell me where exactly are located the iptables rules, in memory? |
| 11:53.05 | x-fak | teraflops , well |
| 11:53.24 | x-fak | it's stored into memory after the first load right? |
| 11:53.25 | teraflops | because without the , your question has no sense |
| 11:53.40 | x-fak | i got 2 questions |
| 11:53.56 | x-fak | once in memory, where in memory it's located (which adress, which section)? |
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| 11:54.08 | x-fak | and at the first load, where it's loaded from? |
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| 11:55.57 | abrotman | x-fak: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 11:59.59 | x-fak | baraba it's a theoric question |
| 12:00.32 | darxmurf | anybody can help to troubleshoot a samba+kerberos+ldap configuration ? |
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| 12:05.48 | x-fak | i think teraflops could answer |
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| 12:08.05 | darxmurf | it's a fooking mess to understand :-/ |
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| 12:09.57 | Ghostbird | darxmurf, what's your issue? Did you have a look at the samba wiki? They have very good troubleshooting instructions. |
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| 12:10.55 | Ghostbird | My own question: How do I reconfigure clamassassin to use clamdscan instead of clamscan? It hasn't autodetected clamd. This is, according to the README for clamassassin, a known issue on Debian. |
| 12:11.13 | Ghostbird | dpkg-reconfigure clamassassin doesn't do anything. |
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| 12:12.35 | Ghostbird | Hmm... I'm just rewriting /etc/default/clamassassin. There ought to be a more proper way, but this will do. I'll just have to document it properly. |
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| 12:15.21 | darxmurf | Ghostbird: the smb server is attached to a MS Domain. I configured it (I hope correctly) to use kerberos and ldap. I can kinit without problem and get ldap groups and infos. |
| 12:15.53 | darxmurf | Then I added a group called backup-users and I added ldap accounts to this local group |
| 12:16.10 | darxmurf | then in my share definition I did set "valid users = @backup-users" |
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| 12:17.07 | darxmurf | when I try to access this share, I can see me in the logs |
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| 12:17.18 | darxmurf | authentication for user [xxxx] -> [xxxx] -> [xxxx] succeeded |
| 12:17.34 | darxmurf | then Failed to initialize kerberos context! (Invalid argument) |
| 12:17.48 | darxmurf | then Failed to start GENSEC server mech gse_krb5: NT_STATUS_NO_MEMORY |
| 12:18.26 | Ghostbird | darxmurf: Hmm... Sorry, that's out of my league. |
| 12:18.38 | Ghostbird | But did you check the memory usage? |
| 12:18.38 | darxmurf | damn :D |
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| 12:18.57 | darxmurf | 8Gb free |
| 12:19.07 | darxmurf | server freshly rebooted |
| 12:19.10 | darxmurf | nothing connected on it |
| 12:19.37 | thms | apt-get install systemv-init-core; apt-get remove systemd |
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| 12:19.45 | thms | works like a charm |
| 12:19.50 | thms | why didn't I do this earlier |
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| 12:22.24 | jelly | thms: probably because noone told you about /msg dpkg jessie sysvinit |
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| 12:28.51 | mirazi_heket | fixed, trouble with samba/stunnel. Now i have problem with mounting it via mount cifs |
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| 12:42.15 | petn-randall | mirazi_heket: What is your setup that you need to use samba with stunnel? stunnel is a rather hacky subject IMHO, and there might be better alternatives. |
| 12:42.22 | ChrisWi | hi ... why does 'GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN="dom0_mem=4096M,max:4096M" has different results ? |
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| 12:42.39 | petn-randall | ChrisWi: Different to what? |
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| 12:43.13 | ChrisWi | petn-randall: on one box I have '1595960' and on an other I have '3392744' |
| 12:44.16 | petn-randall | ChrisWi: I'm missing a lot of context. You just gave me two numbers. |
| 12:44.18 | ChrisWi | petn-randall: the setting of dom0_mem=2048M,max:2048M resultet in '1981848' ... |
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| 12:45.28 | ChrisWi | petn-randall: I am talking about 'total' memory which is 'free' showing ... |
| 12:45.43 | petn-randall | ChrisWi: I'd check the logs for Xen, I'm guessing that the host hit some limit and thus the guests can't allocate more memory. |
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| 12:46.15 | ChrisWi | I am not talking about the guests ... this is setting for dom0 |
| 12:46.29 | mirazi_heket | petn-randall: dont know what exactly you are asking, its on debian, and its used only on 1 machine |
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| 12:48.18 | petn-randall | ChrisWi: dom0 is just a privileged guest. I don't use Xen myself, but I'm guessing that you'll get some hints for the reason in the log upon startup. |
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| 12:48.44 | Avernos | does debian uses syslog with journal? |
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| 12:51.44 | petn-randall | Avernos: Can you rephrase your question? By default Debian comes with rsyslog, and it also has journald running from the systemd tool suite. |
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| 12:52.00 | teraflops | Avernos: it does redirect journalctl to syslog if I remember it correctly |
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| 12:52.56 | teraflops | Avernos: take a look at /etc/systemd/journald.conf |
| 12:53.00 | Avernos | teraflops, i would've guessed is the other way around. |
| 12:53.17 | teraflops | Avernos: why? |
| 12:53.38 | Avernos | i've tried to change things, but somehow many programs are not logging. not in /var/logs as the .conf indicate for programs and not showing on journalctl. |
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| 12:54.31 | Avernos | because journal is newer? so would've expected syslog to redirect to journal instead |
| 12:55.00 | teraflops | Avernos: but you're using systemd |
| 12:55.37 | Avernos | yes, systemd. im curious, is this a known issue? or is it just me. havent seen much on the web.. |
| 12:55.51 | petn-randall | Avernos: /dev/log is a socket most programs write to. On the other end journald listens, and passes any data on to rsyslog. So it's: user space â journald â rsyslog |
| 12:56.47 | teraflops | Avernos: I think systemd debian jessie is a bit eww. It's 215 |
| 12:56.51 | petn-randall | Avernos: Which release are you running? IIRC there was a bug in stable that could occur under certain conditions. |
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| 12:57.17 | petn-randall | Avernos: The bug was that journald didn't pass any data to rsyslog anymore. |
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| 12:58.23 | Avernos | thanks! valuable info |
| 12:59.16 | Avernos | petn-randall, would still showup on journalctl, right? if program is logging i would still be able to see something there. not sure how to track where logs are sent |
| 12:59.34 | Avernos | teraflops, jessie stable. :( |
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| 13:05.50 | petn-randall | Avernos: Can't find the bug report right now, but IIRC it was because some of the sockets along the chain were closed and not re-open properly. Do you see current messages when running 'journalctl'? |
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| 13:06.52 | Avernos | petn-randall, yes, for some programs. I've noticed that some programs added a restart script for reopening the socket on rsyslog.d/ |
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| 13:07.21 | Avernos | also journal forward to syslog is commented out, but do I need to forward to rsyslog anyhow? |
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| 13:08.10 | Avernos | user space â journald â rsyslog â journalctl ? |
| 13:09.57 | Avernos | ah, my bad. somehow logs are now showing up in text on /var/log. more confused now. well, at least they are working/ showing up some place |
| 13:10.10 | petn-randall | Avernos: No, journalctl reads from the database of journald. rsyslog is just a package that fulfils the system-log-daemon virtual package. |
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| 13:10.38 | petn-randall | Avernos: IIRC rebooting fixed the issue, but you might not be able to do that if it's a production machine. |
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| 13:11.02 | AlexPortable | How can I set the default WM? |
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| 13:11.39 | Avernos | not production, just figuring out things. quite like journalctl, all bin and in one place |
| 13:11.48 | Alix_ | Hello. I have a problem with a monitor I just got. The resolution is stuck at 1280*800. This is the model : http://www.everymac.com/monitors/apple/studio_cinema/specs/apple_cinema_display_30.html |
| 13:11.54 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: Most log managers have a menu where you can select it. |
| 13:12.01 | Alix_ | And this is how i try to change the resolution : http://i.imgur.com/HH2yfNY.png |
| 13:12.36 | Alix_ | I have this adapter DVI-L to HDMI between the cable and my computer : http://www.delock.de/produkt/65467/pdf.html?sprache=de |
| 13:12.42 | Alix_ | I don't understand where the limitation can be. |
| 13:13.00 | AlexPortable | log manager? |
| 13:13.07 | Avernos | petn-randall, so if i need just to look at logs, ie journalctl. what is rsyslog used for? since journald talks to journalctl is it redundant or for compatibility with other programs? |
| 13:14.10 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: sorry, I mean display manager like e.g. gdm or lightdm. |
| 13:14.16 | AlexPortable | dont have any |
| 13:14.25 | AlexPortable | i have xinit and xterm |
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| 13:15.12 | petn-randall | Avernos: It's because most people are used to plain old syslog, and it also has a few features journalctl doesn't have yet, like RELP log forwarding. |
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| 13:15.53 | petn-randall | AlexPortable: Then I don't know it from the top of my head, sorry. |
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| 13:36.10 | jemadux | http://paste.debian.net/713186/ |
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| 13:36.21 | zinx | update flash? i thought adobe stopped updating flash |
| 13:36.28 | markybob | !tell jemadux about debian-next |
| 13:37.25 | jemadux | markybob: it is not oftc network .. i am on oftc too but no answer |
| 13:37.54 | jemadux | zinx: yes stop but make some security updates |
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| 14:20.00 | acidfu_ | hello, what is the simplest way to install on Debian 7 the newest libevent version libevent-2.0.22-stable ? Through the source list, 2.0.19 only is available ? do I need to backport the package or something like that ? |
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| 14:25.24 | godless_ | [Question] Is there a way to automagically run fsck on dirty partitions when inserting USB sticks? |
| 14:25.36 | ueber | hi there |
| 14:27.01 | godless_ | There is this printer that always leaves the USB marked dirty, making it a real hassle since it's ro when mounted |
| 14:27.04 | ueber | I'm trying to expand a partition to the full disk space, but it remains the same, also removing and recreating it |
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| 14:27.53 | godless_ | ueber - did you grow the fs afterwards? check your fs documentation on how to do that |
| 14:28.30 | ueber | godless_: yes I grow it with resize2fs /dev/vdb1 |
| 14:28.58 | ueber | I erased the partition and recreated it, then I did resize2fs /dev/vdb1 |
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| 14:29.35 | godless_ | does fdisk show the correct size? |
| 14:29.42 | ueber | but it's still 20G not 50G, even if the disk on vps is now 50Gb |
| 14:30.10 | ueber | Here is the output of "fdisk -l" : Disk /dev/vdb: 50 GiB, 53687091200 bytes, 104857600 sectors |
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| 14:31.37 | godless_ | Ueber, and a different fs has the same issue? Did you try a reboot? |
| 14:32.07 | ueber | godless_: yes I rebooted |
| 14:32.55 | godless_ | Ueber, ext4 working correctly? |
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| 14:34.05 | ueber | godless_: should I change it's type to ext4 ? |
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| 14:36.43 | petn-randall | godless_: I'm guessing you could cook something up with udev + some self-written scripts to achieve this. |
| 14:39.08 | ueber | godless_: Device Start End Sectors Size Type /dev/vdb1 2048 41943006 41940959 20G Linux filesystem |
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| 14:40.02 | godless_ | petn-randall, seems like it, was hoping for a quick fix |
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| 14:40.31 | godless_ | ueber, it's saying 20GB again? is that output from Reiserfs? |
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| 14:43.47 | godless_ | ueber, how are you creating the disk? LVM? VM? |
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| 14:44.16 | godless_ | ueber, does dmesg show you the correct disk details? |
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| 14:55.46 | cnu- | im trying to create a shell script that configures a server. is it possible to "pre-register" the conffile entries so i don't get the conffile-prompt? |
| 14:56.13 | petn-randall | cnu-: You won't get a prompt when running in non-interactive mode |
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| 14:57.00 | cnu- | petn-randall, is it possible to get a prompt for "changes written after my script was made"? |
| 14:57.11 | cnu- | say i run this same script on debian9 in a year |
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| 14:58.01 | cnu- | it would be best if i could only silence the prompt for say a list of files/md5s |
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| 14:58.32 | petn-randall | cnu-: Do you want *your* changes to be silently overwritten? |
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| 15:01.28 | petn-randall | cnu-: I'm not sure how your setup is, and what you want to achieve. Can you elaborate it a little? |
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| 15:01.51 | cnu- | petn-randall, my.cnf from debian8 has md5sum(/etc/mysql/my.cnf)=e252af9e23d14b0215260ee023959f5a. i want my script to silently replace that version with my version. but if say debian9 has another my.cnf, i want it to stop and ask me |
| 15:01.59 | ueber | godless_: Reiserfs? |
| 15:02.05 | ueber | godless_: do you mean resize2fs ? |
| 15:02.18 | godless_ | ueber, oops |
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| 15:03.37 | ueber | I run resize2fs while partition it's unmounted, but it's size is still 20G not 50G |
| 15:05.13 | godless_ | ueber, so fdisk is showing the partition to be 50GB right ? |
| 15:05.27 | ueber | godless_: correct |
| 15:05.28 | cnu- | petn-randall, would it be possible to add an entry to /var/lib/dpkg/status with only Status: config-files and the md5s ? |
| 15:05.34 | cnu- | before i run apt-get |
| 15:05.47 | petn-randall | cnu-: You can set the environment var 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive' when you don't want prompts, and then set it to something else when you want to have them. |
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| 15:06.07 | godless_ | ueber, is there data on the partition you want to save? |
| 15:06.13 | petn-randall | cnu-: Writing around in /var/lib/dpkg/status is dangerous and a recipe for disaster, I would use a different approach. |
| 15:06.47 | ueber | godless_: yes there's data, but if there is no solution I could delete them |
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| 15:07.17 | FinalX | ueber: what changed, then? you showed your fdisk output earlier, and it shows the disk to be 50G, but the partition to be 20G |
| 15:07.19 | petn-randall | cnu-: Looks like you could use some centralized configuration management like puppet, chef, ansible, etc. |
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| 15:08.14 | ueber | FinalX: it changed nothing |
| 15:08.27 | ueber | disk is 50G but partition is still 20G |
| 15:08.32 | jelly | ueber: pastebin your /proc/partitions |
| 15:08.57 | godless_ | ueber, please check the partition itself |
| 15:09.19 | cnu- | petn-randall, none of these systems can warn me when debian changes their my.cnf ? they just overwrite everything with no warnings? |
| 15:09.24 | godless_ | ueber, the 50GB fdisk line doesn't have a partition nr |
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| 15:10.09 | ueber | godless_: no because it's the disk line |
| 15:10.23 | petn-randall | cnu-: I still don't understand your setup and use case. When do you want to have prompts, when shall files be overwritten silently? |
| 15:10.37 | godless_ | ueber, kindly provide me the fdisk partition line |
| 15:10.51 | ueber | godless_: with which command? |
| 15:10.54 | jelly | ueber: if you edited the partition table while any of the partitions on that disk was in use, kernel's in-memory notion of the partition layout and size cannot change automatically |
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| 15:11.16 | ueber | jelly: I rebooted too |
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| 15:12.46 | jelly | ueber: that clears it up, yes, but I'd still like to confirm the current state. So can you show the contents of /proc/partitions and maybe "sfdisk -d /dev/vdb" or "lsblk" |
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| 15:12.55 | cnu- | petn-randall, im now configuring everything based on debian8. here i want no prompts. if i run the script again in 2 years on debian9 i want it prompt me when debian has changed it's config file (which i based mine on) |
| 15:13.06 | godless_ | ueber, fdisk -l /dev/vb ? |
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| 15:13.49 | godless_ | ueber, the physical configuration of the disk isn't quite clear |
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| 15:14.29 | nummyfx | lsb_release -i -s |
| 15:15.01 | nummyfx | couldn't you just do if (debian_version > 8.4) then prompt(); |
| 15:15.22 | godless_ | ueber, jelly knows, i'm a bit rusty myself |
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| 15:17.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | python's setuptools is at version 22.0.0, and jessie's repo has version 5.5.1? |
| 15:17.52 | ueber | here is: http://pastebin.com/x5uGigD7 |
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| 15:19.02 | jelly | ,v python3-setuptools |
| 15:19.03 | judd | Package: python3-setuptools on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.14-4; wheezy: 0.6.24-1; jessie: 5.5.1-1; jessie-backports: 18.8-1~bpo8+1; sid: 20.10.1-1; stretch: 20.10.1-1 |
| 15:19.10 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: correct! |
| 15:19.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | just making sure i'm not losing my mind. |
| 15:19.41 | petn-randall | cnu-: Then now use DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive, and in 2 years when you actually dist-upgrade, don't use that. If you change the hashes of the conffiles, upon upgrade dpkg will assume that the conffiles weren't touched and will silently overwrite them, even when running in interactive mode. |
| 15:19.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | thank you :) |
| 15:19.46 | jelly | beware the version inflation |
| 15:19.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | yea, that's what threw me. |
| 15:20.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | 5.5.1 is from august 2014, not 2004 :P |
| 15:20.12 | ueber | jelly: http://pastebin.com/x5uGigD7 |
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| 15:20.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | apparently setuptools releases a new major version every month. |
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| 15:20.49 | petn-randall | I won't install anything with a version number lower than 45 ;) |
| 15:21.18 | jelly | ueber: apparently the partition table was not changed at all |
| 15:21.27 | ueber | jelly: yes |
| 15:21.36 | greycat | Oh, don't worry. Once Google owns the entire planet, every software release will be at least version 1000. |
| 15:21.42 | cnu- | petn-randall, okay thank you |
| 15:22.18 | jelly | greycat: at some point we'll just start using log(version) instead |
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| 15:23.13 | jelly | that's not v45, that's just 1.65 |
| 15:23.25 | ueber | hey guys, any idea? |
| 15:23.30 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 15:23.30 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen starving platypuses. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 15:23.38 | godless_ | ueber. |
| 15:23.46 | ueber | godless_: yes |
| 15:23.53 | jelly | ueber: yes, edit the partition table (again) |
| 15:24.00 | godless_ | ueber, you need to make the partition larger, resize2fs only works on partitions |
| 15:24.26 | ueber | which commands should I use then? |
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| 15:25.13 | greycat | gparted, or parted, by preference, depending on whether you like GUIs or not |
| 15:25.24 | godless_ | ueber, basically remove and recreate (if done wrongly you lose the data) |
| 15:25.54 | godless_ | euber, gparted/parted are indeed much safer |
| 15:26.04 | jhutchins | Which is why you have to do a backup any way, and you might as well backup, repartion, restore. |
| 15:26.28 | godless_ | and it's only 20GB, peanuts :) |
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| 15:26.51 | ueber | after removing should I write/quit? and create a new one only "after" quitting? |
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| 15:27.00 | hmca | greetings |
| 15:27.13 | greycat | ueber: I don't see why that would matter |
| 15:27.28 | ueber | ok |
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| 15:27.41 | hmca | is this the right channel for questioning about debian and X running under kdm ? I whant to get full screen in a guest |
| 15:27.53 | hmca | KVM I mean |
| 15:27.56 | ueber | greycat: parted instead of fdisk ? |
| 15:28.07 | greycat | fdisk is a historical relic at this point |
| 15:28.38 | ueber | :) |
| 15:28.39 | greycat | Though I guess since the one in jessie says it understands GPT, it might still survive another decade or two. |
| 15:28.41 | godless_ | ueber, parted is the new kid (dang getting old) |
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| 15:28.57 | nummyfx | hmca: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/222108/start-a-kvm-virtual-machine-fullscreen-on-boot |
| 15:28.58 | ueber | ok I installed parted |
| 15:29.13 | jelly | (a stupid question: why use a partition _at all_ inside a VM on a disk destined for a single filesystem) |
| 15:29.47 | FinalX | fdisk works fine and also got an overhaul in more recent versions; there's no reason for it not to work |
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| 15:30.04 | jelly | FinalX: unless you forget to [w]rite |
| 15:30.14 | FinalX | ofc |
| 15:30.29 | FinalX | or unless the disk doesnt get synced properly, or re-scanned/read |
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| 15:31.23 | hmca | mummyfx: I know how to put a windows guest in full screen in KVM, no problem, What I'm not geeting is how to put X running on Debian inside KVM |
| 15:31.43 | hmca | mummyfx: in full screen |
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| 15:32.01 | godless_ | HM |
| 15:32.05 | godless_ | sorry |
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| 15:33.03 | jhutchins | !kvm |
| 15:33.03 | dpkg | Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged as qemu-kvm since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". See http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions, also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:33.46 | ueber | I tried parted |
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| 15:37.55 | err403 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.04 | drop_ | hello, i have a problem.. no sound on my debian testing and when i check o sound setting the output is named "dummy output" insteady of "Speakers" as i remember.. anyone plz! |
| 15:38.44 | err403 | drop_> Are you running pulse audio? |
| 15:38.52 | greycat | experiements and learns that yes, you CAN simply strip out the s in someone's https://paste.debian.net/ URL. |
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| 15:40.13 | greycat | err403: fdisk -l doesn't show what you booted from. Just what you have. |
| 15:40.34 | err403 | greycat> How do I know what I have booted from? |
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| 15:41.34 | greycat | That's... an interesting question. I think I can manage to beat the internet into telling me how to determine what disk the NEXT boot will use, but I dunno about reading the past. |
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| 15:42.24 | drop_ | err403, yes i am |
| 15:42.32 | mtn | won't looking at the fstab tell you what is root, which is what you are booting? |
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| 15:43.05 | greycat | Oh, if all you want to know is what's mounted as root, you can simply do df / |
| 15:43.12 | greycat | But that doesn't tell you what grub booted fromm. |
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| 15:43.48 | jelly | or even which grub bios booted into |
| 15:43.56 | jelly | s/bios/firmware/, sorry |
| 15:44.35 | drop_ | err403, pulse audio and alsa is installed but i cant get any audio |
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| 15:45.56 | err403 | drop_> Are you using a speaker phone? If so, are you able hear people? Are they able to hear you? The reason I ask is that I occassionally have to reset one of the two settings in Pulse Audio in order for people to hear me on speaker phone. It is an annoyance, but comes with the technology. |
| 15:46.15 | jim | hi... is it possible to take already-downloaded packages that were downloaded before apt-cacher-ng was installed, and add them to the cache? |
| 15:46.39 | drop_ | err403, no am using my pc speakers not any external speakers |
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| 15:47.12 | fennesz | Hello ! I am trying to configure my debian box to act as an ntp server for other local network devices using ntpd . My config file is this http://paste.debian.net/713219/. Can someone help me solve this? |
| 15:47.25 | greycat | fennesz: solve what? |
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| 15:48.05 | fennesz | greycat, it seems I cant get the time from a different machine on my local network using this conf |
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| 15:48.22 | jim | fennesz, you didn't say what the problem you're experiencing is |
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| 15:48.50 | greycat | My ntp.conf says "By default, exchange time with everybody, but don't allow configuration." |
| 15:49.01 | err403 | drop_> One possible scenario is that one of your two configurations is wrong, or needs to be fiddled with in order to get pulse audio to work. You can access your Pulse Audio settings by opening up your pulse audio configuration screen found in your start menu, and then select configuration. Do you have the configuration settings provided by your sound card manufacturer? |
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| 15:49.29 | fennesz | jim, I am trying to configure my debian box to act like an Ntp server and I can't with this conf |
| 15:49.36 | err403 | drop_> On my computer more than one option will work in the configuration area. |
| 15:49.58 | jmcnaught | jim: yes https://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/html/howtos.html#imp |
| 15:50.30 | fennesz | greycat, is there any special option so that my debian machine works like an ntp server for other machines in local network ? |
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| 15:51.00 | greycat | fennesz: My file says it should work by default, with no changes. What did you actually try from the other machines on the LAN? What response did you get? |
| 15:51.18 | ueber | I solved using cgdisk instead of fdisk |
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| 15:51.53 | drop_ | err403, i dont have pulse audio configuration in my menu |
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| 15:52.17 | acidchild | hello, can anyone link me in the direction of a document that outlines debians security patching practices. i.e. the way the openSSL fixes have been applied against the current 'stable' ssl version included in jessie? |
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| 15:52.52 | greycat | acidchild: you can start with http://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 15:53.00 | drop_ | err403, i only have sound setting in menu which is having only select dummy option as output |
| 15:53.01 | fennesz | greycat, with ntpdc -c monlist I can see there are clients connected . However when I change the time from Date and Time settings , the time does not get updated on the client side |
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| 15:53.25 | fennesz | btw I am using Jessie 64 |
| 15:53.27 | greycat | fennesz: holy fucking christ, you did WHAT?!?! |
| 15:53.32 | greycat | You ... dear gods. What. |
| 15:53.43 | fennesz | ? |
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| 15:53.48 | greycat | fennesz: Whatever you think is supposed to happen, that is not a valid test of anything sane. |
| 15:54.02 | fennesz | ok, so how could I test this ? |
| 15:54.02 | err403 | drop_> Where are you seeing this select dummy option as output? Is this at the command line? |
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| 15:54.15 | fennesz | greycat, pls forgive my ignorance |
| 15:54.17 | greycat | The clients, if they are robustly written, should recognize that your server has lost its grip on space/time and should ignore it. |
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| 15:54.26 | SpeedyG | greycat: please watch your language.. |
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| 15:55.01 | greycat | SpeedyG: Well, you can take over any time you like. |
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| 15:55.05 | err403 | mtn> This is my fstab. Am I correct that sdd1 is the drive being booted from, since it has the /? I don't think I am running the new drive. |
| 15:55.10 | fennesz | greycat, would this also happen with minor changes ? Also I have tested with a client where time was 1 min off . Still no sync |
| 15:55.11 | drop_ | no it is on sound setting from the main menu |
| 15:55.19 | acidchild | thanks greycat, i can patch together a reason for the FAQ |
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| 15:55.48 | mtn | err403: yes, the current fstab will show you which drive is currently booted |
| 15:55.48 | err403 | drop_> Could you upload a screenshot to imgur, or something similar so we can see what you are referring to? |
| 15:56.07 | err403 | mtn> Is the boot drive the one with the / ??? |
| 15:56.19 | greycat | fennesz: Stop fucking with the server. Let the server have the correct time, and let it stay unmolested. Then change the time to something wrong one one of the CLIENTS (while ntp is NOT running on it), and then try ntpdate against the server. |
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| 15:56.25 | mtn | err403: sure, that is your root partition, which is the running partition |
| 15:57.00 | err403 | mtn> So am I booting from sdd1? |
| 15:57.11 | fennesz | greycat, Ok let me test this |
| 15:57.27 | greycat | mtn: how does fstab show you which device grub booted from? |
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| 15:57.59 | mtn | err403: you are running on sdd1, apparently, if that is what you are asking. if you are asking where grub installed to, like is it on sda or sdb, then, no, it does not tell you that |
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| 15:59.12 | err403 | mtn> Yesterday I ran grub-reconfig, and designated sdb1 as the new drive, but didn't see the new options in the boot menu. I only had one Debian option, so assumed I was now booting to sdb1, but apparently not. |
| 15:59.40 | err403 | I am going to reboot. |
| 15:59.45 | FinalX | err403: if you're trying to boot from another drive, grub won't help you; you'll have to tell the bios that |
| 15:59.58 | drop_ | err403, https://imagebin.ca/v/2jB6ArD9GsFt |
| 16:00.03 | FinalX | on most current systems F12 at bios will bring up the boot device screen |
| 16:00.13 | greycat | s/bios/firmware/g |
| 16:00.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's f12 now? |
| 16:01.08 | greycat | It depends on the computer. Any pretense that there is a common standard is laughable. |
| 16:01.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | i try some random combination of f2, f3, f10, f12, and del. |
| 16:01.34 | greycat | ESC is another good key to try if your firmware doesn't just tell you what to press. |
| 16:01.51 | FinalX | there's a big difference between bringing up the setup screen or the boot menu |
| 16:02.07 | FinalX | F2/DEL is usually for setup, not boot menu |
| 16:02.28 | greycat | Or google your computer's model number and see if you can find instructions. |
| 16:02.37 | petn-randall | Lenovo Thinkpads show a selection menu when hitting enter while still booting the BIOS |
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| 16:02.45 | greycat | This may or may not be faster than random keypresses followed by power cycles. |
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| 16:03.01 | err403 | drop_> Is this screenshot from Pulseaudio? My Pulseaudio interface looks very different than yours. |
| 16:03.04 | FinalX | random keypresses can make it block any further input and just go boot the wrong os :p |
| 16:03.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | i mean, in a stretched sense, the setup offers a superset of the functionality from the boot menu |
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| 16:03.25 | drop_ | NoImNotNineVolt, http://www.disk-image.com/faq-bootmenu.htm |
| 16:03.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | you can usually change boot device order, from the setup. |
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| 16:03.58 | FinalX | NoImNotNineVolt: boot menu can be enabled seperately, and allowed seperately, in- or excluding UEFI options as well |
| 16:03.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's a great reference. |
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| 16:04.07 | petn-randall | err403: pulseaudio is the daemon, there are many frontends to it. |
| 16:04.14 | drop_ | err403, its a sound setting i dont have pulse-audio config in menu |
| 16:04.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | FinalX: afaik, aside from access control issues, that's not anything that can't be done from the setup screen. |
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| 16:05.14 | jim | so apt-cache-ng tries to store the source (download url) of the things it caches, and would use a heuristic for doing such an import |
| 16:05.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | but indeed, a setup utiliy is not the same as a boot menu. |
| 16:05.19 | fennesz | greycat, trying ntpdate against the server I get : bind() Permission denied . I am using ntpd from Meinberg on Windows 10 machine so I cant run it as root . I run cmd as Administrator though . Anyway does this error indicate something wrong with my ntp server? |
| 16:05.21 | FinalX | sure, but the setup screen you have to make changes, save them, then reboot. boot menu you can just do once and it'll revert to the default next reboot. |
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| 16:05.36 | err403 | drop_>I was asking because earlier you indicated you had pulseaudio installed. |
| 16:05.36 | greycat | I cannot help you with Windows. |
| 16:05.48 | fennesz | Ok, I understand |
| 16:05.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | but the amount of work involved in that is less than the amount of effort we've invested in this discussion :P |
| 16:06.09 | FinalX | quite the opposite |
| 16:06.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | surely fewer keystrokes. |
| 16:06.22 | FinalX | you guys started a discussion about it :) |
| 16:06.30 | drop_ | err403, yes i have pulseaudio installed but as i have said, i dont have it on my menu |
| 16:06.46 | FinalX | and someone you can't deal with just leaving things, and keep on going and going until you're proven right.. get over it |
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| 16:07.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | FinalX: < NoImNotNineVolt> but indeed, a setup utiliy is not the same as a boot |
| 16:07.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:08.34 | err403 | drop_> Have you checked under multimedia in the start menu? The graphical interface is supposed to install if pulseaudio is installed. |
| 16:08.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | FinalX: or were you referring to yourself? |
| 16:09.14 | antena-cli | Every time I connect my USB stick it opens Qmmp. I don't want that. How can I modify this behavior to open the file manager instead? |
| 16:09.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | either way, thanks for confirming my python-setuptools version confusion. |
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| 16:10.08 | drop_ | err403, yes i have checked and for experience i have been using this version of debian and i have never seen such things as multimedia and pulseaudio in menu |
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| 16:11.53 | lubarch | Is there any offline english dictionary available for linux ? |
| 16:12.05 | drop_ | lubarch, artha |
| 16:12.21 | err403 | drop_> You might want to check your alsa settings at the command line. The following is something I kept in my notes, but I rarely resort to it, so I am not super familiar with it https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ac72b4e3/ |
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| 16:13.40 | jsheeren | hi, does anyone have any experience with emulex oneconnect skyhawk 10gb/s nics? |
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| 16:16.23 | fennesz | greycat, by changing my client to one hour off, I can see the offset in a monitoring tool . How long will it take to sync with the server? |
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| 16:16.54 | jim | jsheeren, what's your experience? or, what has you ask? |
| 16:17.27 | greycat | Totally depends on the client. The client may do an ntpdate type thing when it first starts up, in which case "very quickly". Or it may try to gradually adjtime over the course of weeks. Or it may throw up its hands and say "the server is too far off" and stop trying. |
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| 16:18.03 | drop_ | err403, in alsamixer how do you set the card you want to be default? |
| 16:18.11 | jhutchins | !pulseaudio |
| 16:18.11 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:18.47 | jhutchins | drop_: I don't think anything actually shows up as pulseaudio. The GUI config tools are usually for the DE system sounds. |
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| 16:19.36 | drop_ | jhutchins, okey |
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| 16:19.46 | fennesz | greycat, ok ! In case my debian box is the client and it's time is off , is there any configuration to speed things up on ntp.conf ? is it iburst perhaps? |
| 16:20.05 | jsheeren | jim: i cannot get the card to detect a link; in the dell server bios the card shows there's a link; but ethtool shows no link detected |
| 16:20.07 | err403 | drop_> Do you have more than one card on your computer? I have more than one card, and one burned out when the last speaker blew. |
| 16:20.40 | greycat | fennesz: stop ntp, run ntpdate by hand, restart ntp. |
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| 16:21.02 | fennesz | greycat, ok |
| 16:21.02 | greycat | fennesz: you may also want to try ntptrace against the server, but not all servers support tracing |
| 16:21.18 | jim | jsheeren does ifconfig -a show an interface (such as eth0) for it? |
| 16:21.24 | fennesz | greycat ok will try this too , thank you ! |
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| 16:21.36 | err403 | err403> Have you tried upgrading pulseaudio with apt-get? |
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| 16:24.33 | err403 | drop_> The man page for alsamixer suggest you can select your card with the F6 or S keys, but you are supposed to keep your settings harmonized with the pavucontrol. |
| 16:25.05 | nagra | ? |
| 16:25.08 | err403 | drop_> I would see if you can upgrade your pulseaudio control. |
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| 16:28.06 | jsheeren | jim: yes; eno1 is the interface; ip link show gives me "no-carrier,broadcast,multicast,up" |
| 16:28.09 | jsheeren | but state down |
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| 16:28.15 | jsheeren | ethtool shows no link detected |
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| 16:28.29 | jsheeren | if i configure the interface with ifconfig; i have no connection |
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| 16:30.18 | Matumaros | Hello everyone, I need further assistance to configuring my wifi adapter |
| 16:30.23 | Matumaros | Hi jim |
| 16:30.52 | jhutchins | jsheeren: If ethtool shows no link, there is a hardware problem. Bad/loose cable; bad port on switch/hub; bad connector on NIC. |
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| 16:31.57 | TomTomTosch | Matumaros: describe what you did so far and provide 'lspci -nn | grep -i network' pls. |
| 16:32.20 | jsheeren | jhutchins: but the server bios shows a link; the switch shows a link .. |
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| 16:33.39 | acidchild | has CVE-2015-5600 been fixed in 6.7p1-5+deb8u2 on jessie? |
| 16:33.47 | Matumaros | TomTomTosch: I had jim and some others help me out yesterday, I had manually installed the firmware https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x and some other things I can't remember |
| 16:33.49 | acidchild | if so, how do i find evidence of it? |
| 16:33.55 | Matumaros | and I executed these two commands: |
| 16:33.56 | TomTomTosch | !tracker of doom |
| 16:33.56 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 16:34.06 | Matumaros | modprobe rtl8192cu |
| 16:34.06 | Matumaros | echo "050d 21f2" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id |
| 16:34.07 | TomTomTosch | acidchild: ^ you can look it up. |
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| 16:34.19 | Matumaros | the command you said gives back: |
| 16:34.22 | jsheeren | jhutchins: got to go; thanks for the help |
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| 16:35.05 | Matumaros | Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1503] (rev 04) |
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| 16:37.06 | TomTomTosch | well, that's not what i've been looking for. that's the LAN NIC. :/ |
| 16:37.43 | TomTomTosch | can you find the wifi card listed somewhere in lspci -nn or is it a USB dongle? |
| 16:37.58 | acidchild | TomTomTosch: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-6564 so if i am reading this right, the CVE has not been addressed in the current package in jessie? |
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| 16:38.16 | Matumaros | TomTomTosch: dongle? It's a USB Adapter, yes |
| 16:38.32 | Matumaros | sorry, forgot to say that |
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| 16:39.24 | TomTomTosch | acidchild: this is the one you have asked for: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-5600 |
| 16:39.35 | TomTomTosch | acidchild: and it's not fixed yet. |
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| 16:40.23 | jhutchins | Matumaros: Your bash history will show what commands you've issued recently if you need to review what you've done so far. You could also take notes, that can be useful as well. |
| 16:40.29 | acidchild | other than using unstable, is there a way of getting these fixes as soon as they are available? |
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| 16:40.57 | nummyfx | build from source? |
| 16:41.11 | TomTomTosch | acidchild: you could try to look for a patch or just wait for it to be fixed. |
| 16:41.13 | jhutchins | Matumaros: I'm not sure of the context, but can not be both an rtl8192cu and an Intel 92579v. |
| 16:41.25 | acidchild | okay TomTomTosch. |
| 16:41.37 | jelly | acidchild: do you actually use a vulnerable nondefault config to be affected by CVE-2015-6500? |
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| 16:42.09 | jelly | CVE-2015-5600* |
| 16:42.32 | Matumaros | jhutchins: Well, the result of the other command listed the Ethernet, while I try to get my WiFi USB Adapter to work |
| 16:43.07 | TomTomTosch | lsusb should list your wifi adapter somewhere. |
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| 16:43.52 | Matumaros | TomTomTosch: no it doesn't :( |
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| 16:44.09 | jhutchins | Matumaros: Does it list an unidentified device? |
| 16:44.37 | Matumaros | jhutchins: No |
| 16:44.47 | TomTomTosch | well... pull it out and put it back in, she said? |
| 16:44.51 | Matumaros | there are 12 items on that list |
| 16:45.17 | babilen | TomTomTosch: I don't think that is appropriate |
| 16:45.28 | nummyfx | or he |
| 16:45.38 | Matumaros | TomTomTosch: nope |
| 16:45.59 | jhutchins | Matumaros: Either the USB port or the device is defective then. |
| 16:46.21 | TomTomTosch | so it worked using rtl8192cu before? |
| 16:46.25 | jhutchins | Matumaros: You should see it in lsusb; you should see evidence of connecting and disconnecting it in dmesg. |
| 16:47.04 | Matumaros | jhutchins: in dmesg it is mentioned |
| 16:47.10 | Matumaros | TomTomTosch: yes |
| 16:47.14 | Matumaros | yesterday |
| 16:47.17 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 16:47.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 16:48.41 | Matumaros | jhutchins: I can't paste, if that is what you meant, because I have no internet connection on the other machine where I'm trying to get it to work |
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| 16:49.19 | TomTomTosch | Matumaros: any errors if you modprobe rtl8192cu ? |
| 16:49.20 | MaBunny | guys where are hexchat logs kept in the system??? |
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| 16:49.38 | Matumaros | TomTomTosch: no, nothing |
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| 16:49.49 | jim | Matumaros, we had your hardware going yesterday... what happened? |
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| 16:50.18 | acidchild | jelly: negative. It was an example. |
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| 16:50.31 | Matumaros | jim: I don't know, we weren't completely done, right? |
| 16:51.11 | jim | Matumaros, ifconfig -a shows wlan0? |
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| 16:51.29 | jelly | acidchild: ah, what's your actual goal then, just learning to interpret what security tracker says? |
| 16:51.33 | Matumaros | jim: yes |
| 16:51.55 | jim | ok, and iwlist scan shows your WAPs? |
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| 16:52.15 | Matumaros | jim: yes it does |
| 16:52.16 | jelly | !no-dsa |
| 16:52.16 | dpkg | Some security issues are marked as "no-dsa" when the security team does not intend to issue a fix for them because they are sufficiently minor. They may be fixed as part of later updates or in a point release. Ask me about the <tracker of doom>. |
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| 16:52.20 | jelly | acidchild: ^^ |
| 16:53.20 | nerdcore | I'm following the debootstrap install instructions for jessie/amd64 and step D.3.4.4 says to edit /etc/resolv.conf, but when I open it the file says not to edit it by hand. How should I setup nameserver directives in jessie? |
| 16:53.33 | acidchild | jelly: Thanks, yes. I am just learning to interpret what the security tracker is saying. |
| 16:54.00 | jim | ok, then your card is working... the next step is to try to log in (probably, you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces, I don't know how to use wpasupplicant, so that has to come from someone else... also, those two commands need to be automated |
| 16:54.14 | jim | Matumaros ^^ |
| 16:54.41 | jmcnaught | nerdcore: does resolv.conf say that it was generated by resolvconf(8)? |
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| 16:55.02 | nerdcore | jmcnaught: yes, I will go and read that man page :) |
| 16:55.06 | jim | Matumaros, zooming all the way out,,, you need to be able to keep track of this stuff... if not, we have to start over every time |
| 16:55.23 | Matumaros | jim: alright, I opened that file. Don't you think it might work without those two commands if I get a newer backport kernel? |
| 16:55.36 | jim | that will take practice, it does n't just happen |
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| 16:55.48 | nerdcore | jmcnaught: does this section of the install guide require updating? I recall this working in wheezy years ago |
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| 16:56.09 | Matumaros | jim: yeah, I know :D I'm just really bad at these things, especially after a full day of staring at a screen :P |
| 16:56.41 | jim | get your CURRENT setup working first, worry about backport kernels later... |
| 16:56.48 | jelly | acidchild: you can sometimes find reasons for "no-dsa" in the related bug report(s) |
| 16:56.57 | jmcnaught | nerdcore: i'm not sure what got installed that pulled in resolvconf |
| 16:57.16 | jim | and -do- automate that stuff... if you can do that, you don't need the new kernel |
| 16:57.34 | Matumaros | jim: But aren't they a bit...hacky? |
| 16:57.40 | acidchild | jelly: much appreciated. I have to justify every CVE that isn't fixed in production. |
| 16:57.43 | acidchild | jelly: (fml) |
| 16:57.57 | jmcnaught | nerdcore: for example i have a jessie container that was made with debootstrap, it does not have resolvconf installed. so perhaps you installed something like network-manager that pulled it in? |
| 16:58.04 | jim | Matumaros, didn't you say the newer kernel failed for something else? |
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| 16:58.59 | Matumaros | jim: No, I had the stretch version installed, which is why somebody told me to get the stable |
| 16:59.12 | greycat | My debian workstations at home and at work do not have resolvconf installed. |
| 16:59.21 | nerdcore | jmcnaught: aside from the base install I have added ppoeconf, ppp, pppoe, and their requisites but there is no sign of resolvconf in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 16:59.26 | Matumaros | jim: they said that I should get a newer backport version and that would fix the issue |
| 16:59.27 | greycat | I would imagine it comes along with NM and GNOME crap, which I do not use. |
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| 16:59.39 | jhutchins | MaBunny: Look for hidden directories in ~ |
| 16:59.40 | jim | Matumaros, what's your current uname -r? |
| 16:59.50 | jelly | greycat: you probably wouldn't even have udev if it did not become mandatory at some point! |
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| 17:00.01 | greycat | MaBunny: hint: echo ~/.*/ |
| 17:00.18 | Matumaros | jim: 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 17:00.36 | jim | ok, that kernel -should- work |
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| 17:01.00 | Matumaros | jim ⢠:) |
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| 17:01.05 | jhutchins | MaBunny: Also ls -a |
| 17:01.15 | Matumaros | jim: alright, as long as it works, I don't mind |
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| 17:01.50 | nerdcore | jmcnaught: in fact I cannot read resolvconf(8) because it is not installed |
| 17:02.36 | nerdcore | jmcnaught: my host system for running debootstrap is Ubuntu 14.04. It seems to have just pulled the darned /etc/resolv.conf from there into the new base jessie system's /etc :( |
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| 17:02.59 | jmcnaught | nerdcore: ahh... |
| 17:03.04 | Matumaros | so can somebody help me with the wpasupplicant and the automation? |
| 17:03.06 | nerdcore | jmcnaught: do you suppose I am safe to blow it away and write my own? |
| 17:03.31 | jmcnaught | nerdcore: yes, and even if resolvconf was installed it would just overwrite it |
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| 17:04.13 | nerdcore | jmcnaught: thanks for the feedback. this makes *some* sense now hehe |
| 17:04.52 | jim | Matumaros, summary: you need to do two things now: first, automate the two commands, they probably need to go in /etc/network/interfaces... second, try to get logged in (again, using /etc/network/interfaces), and I can't help you on this part, given it involves wpasubblicant, which I don't kmnow how to use |
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| 17:05.44 | Matumaros | jim: are the contents of /etc/network/interfaces executed on system start? |
| 17:06.03 | greycat | Matumaros: they are read by various things... it's not a script, so it's not executed. |
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| 17:06.49 | Matumaros | greycat: now I'm a bit confused :D so it's kind of like a settings file? |
| 17:07.22 | greycat | yes |
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| 17:08.03 | Matumaros | but then the two commands would be misplaced there? |
| 17:08.08 | nerdcore | wowza. from the debootstrapped base system, the linux-image-amd64 package needs 48 additional packages? I'm surprised... |
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| 17:08.39 | nerdcore | including perl? *really*?? haha |
| 17:09.32 | nerdcore | ugly |
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| 17:10.21 | jim | Matumaros, you have to put them in the right section of that file (within the section that configures wlan0) |
| 17:10.59 | jim | Matumaros, yes, it is a settings file |
| 17:11.08 | Matumaros | jim: there is no such section |
| 17:11.25 | jim | there will be when you put it in there |
| 17:11.26 | greycat | doesn't understand wireless, so probably cannot help you much |
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| 17:11.47 | Matumaros | there are only 3 lines, "source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*", "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" |
| 17:12.07 | greycat | You don't even *have* an ethernet interface? Really? Only wireless? |
| 17:12.38 | jim | he does, something about a long cable and it doesn't work or somethign |
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| 17:13.11 | Matumaros | greycat: my dog damaged the cable, but even trying to get a long cable to the closest repeater didn't work for some reason |
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| 17:14.13 | greycat | Still, if the interface exists, even with no cable in it, I'm surprised you don't have basic eth0 lines in interfaces. |
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| 17:14.50 | nerdcore | why does linux-image-amd64 require perl, busybox, and 46 other packages (seems like lots of perl libs)? |
| 17:14.53 | Matumaros | greycat: maybe that is why it didn't work? |
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| 17:15.21 | greycat | that should not affect wlan0 |
| 17:15.46 | TomTomTosch | nerdcore: debian inclued lots of perl scripts. it's just part of the debian base system. |
| 17:16.44 | Matumaros | greycat jim: so I just put the two original commands at the bottom of interfaces? |
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| 17:17.00 | greycat | You don't put COMMANDS in interfaces. No. |
| 17:17.25 | Matumaros | greycat: yeah, that was what I was wondering about :P |
| 17:17.25 | greycat | You put configuration options, which may INCLUDE a command after some keyword that means "in a specified context, run the following command". |
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| 17:17.32 | greycat | It's all hooks and callbacks. |
| 17:17.35 | nerdcore | TomTomTosch: okay, then why isn't that handled during the initial debootstrap installs? |
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| 17:18.04 | Matumaros | greycat: so where do I put them? In a new file in /etc/init.d/? |
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| 17:18.23 | greycat | I don't do wireless. |
| 17:18.56 | greycat | !wireless |
| 17:18.56 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 17:18.59 | nerdcore | During step D.3.6 of the debootstrap instructions for jessie/amd64 it is suggested I install the package grub-pc. Would grub-efi-amd64 be a better choice? Does grub-pc support EFI? |
| 17:19.10 | greycat | Maybe that wiki page knows what to do. |
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| 17:22.40 | root__ | could anyone tell me how to enable a webcam in debian and kali linux? |
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| 17:23.24 | mtn | root__: usually it either works or it does not. does it work when you use cheese? |
| 17:23.28 | root__ | any help would be great. |
| 17:23.44 | root__ | hmm never tried installing it |
| 17:23.47 | root__ | yes it worked fine |
| 17:23.53 | root__ | okay so what happens is this. |
| 17:23.59 | mtn | root__: then it is enabled |
| 17:24.01 | Matumaros | greycat: I'm following where it says "command line" here: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 17:24.15 | root__ | when i open video call on my fb page it says please enable your mircrophone and camera |
| 17:24.17 | TomTomTosch | nerdcore: linux-image-* pulls perl because it relys on such tools as debconf which are written in perl. |
| 17:24.20 | root__ | how i enable them? |
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| 17:24.27 | root__ | i desperately need help |
| 17:24.47 | mtn | root__: sounds like a facebook problem, not an enabling problem, since your webcam is obviously enabled |
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| 17:24.55 | root__ | no no |
| 17:25.02 | root__ | it pops a box up and says it. |
| 17:25.04 | root__ | in firefox |
| 17:25.05 | nerdcore | TomTomTosch: thanks |
| 17:25.18 | root__ | i just can't find the correct settings to turn it on? |
| 17:25.24 | mtn | root__: does it wok in chesse? yes or no? |
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| 17:25.30 | mtn | wok/work |
| 17:25.31 | root__ | dunno |
| 17:25.37 | root__ | want me to download it quick? |
| 17:25.47 | mtn | root__: you just said it worked fine. what did that mean? |
| 17:26.03 | mtn | root__: yes, test with cheese. |
| 17:26.15 | root__ | k downloading cheese in a sec |
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| 17:26.51 | Matumaros | can somebody help me with the wpasubblicant? Looking at the Wiki just confuses me a lot and I don't want to screw it up now :( |
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| 17:27.18 | root__ | it says please enable camera and microphone sharing <<< |
| 17:27.26 | mtn | root__: in cheese? |
| 17:27.38 | root__ | still waiting on apt to finish 1sec |
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| 17:27.48 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: are you planning on using a desktop environment on this computer? Why not just use NetworkManager? |
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| 17:29.08 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: isn't that a separate tool I have to install? Btw, I'm connected now :) |
| 17:29.30 | sideup66 | does anyone here know how to enable strict mode for https for debian running apache |
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| 17:29.40 | root__ | yes it does work in cheese |
| 17:29.48 | sideup66 | kinda feel overwhelmed by guides im finding on the magical google =\ |
| 17:29.54 | nerdcore | Matumaros: NetworkManager is a easy to use GUI network config tool, handling wired and wireless, IP settings, etc. It's pretty handy unless you are running text-only / headless |
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| 17:29.56 | mtn | root__: ok, nothing wrong with the webcam or debian. only a facebook problem |
| 17:30.03 | sideup66 | and one thing thing i did try kinda killed apache |
| 17:30.19 | root__ | no its in the browser |
| 17:30.22 | root__ | the box pops up |
| 17:30.29 | root__ | and asks to enable the camera |
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| 17:31.01 | nerdcore | sideup66: what kind of "strict mode"? |
| 17:31.19 | nerdcore | sideup66: im not sure what you mean |
| 17:31.28 | Matumaros | nerdcore: I don't find it installed, which probably means that I need to download it, which I can't do because I have no internet right now |
| 17:31.28 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: if you use GNOME, KDE, xfce4, Cinnamon then NetworkManager is probably already installed.. it's the default GUI for configuring networks |
| 17:31.43 | sideup66 | nerdcore: i mean, it needs strict https |
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| 17:32.25 | jim | jmcnaught, he additionally needs to automate the two commands that get his wireless usb dongle to show up in ifconfig and be able to iwlist scan |
| 17:32.30 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: I have one thing called "Network Tools" and "Network" (from Settings) |
| 17:33.08 | Matumaros | jim jmcnaught: I am connected to the internet now |
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| 17:33.23 | nerdcore | sideup66: HSTS? |
| 17:33.27 | Matumaros | I didn't actually do anything yet that was described in the wiki |
| 17:33.30 | jim | with the wireless or wired? |
| 17:33.35 | Matumaros | wireless |
| 17:33.57 | jim | great... you just need to automate those commands |
| 17:34.17 | Matumaros | jim: do I just create a new file in /etc/init.d/? |
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| 17:34.48 | sideup66 | yep nerdcore! |
| 17:35.08 | jim | well no one has said anything about how to do that |
| 17:35.24 | jim | what did you use to connect? |
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| 17:36.10 | Matumaros | jim: the GUI interface |
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| 17:37.10 | jim | network-manager? |
| 17:37.30 | Matumaros | Network, in Settings |
| 17:37.30 | jubo2 | ummm... needs a bit of help |
| 17:37.40 | nerdcore | sideup66: according to this post, you need to rewrite http:// requests as https:// using mod_rewrite, then add this to your HTTPS vhost 'Header always set Strict-Transport-Security âmax-age=31536000; includeSubDomainsâ' http://linux-audit.com/configure-hsts-http-strict-transport-security-apache-nginx/ |
| 17:37.46 | jubo2 | nmap is saying 443 is closed.. What does that mean |
| 17:37.55 | jubo2 | the firewall settings are unchanged |
| 17:38.11 | jubo2 | at least it means that no https is being served |
| 17:38.40 | jmcnaught | you don't need to use mod_rewrite to redirect to https: https://wiki.apache.org/httpd/RedirectSSL |
| 17:38.42 | greycat | jubo2: lsof -i :443 |
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| 17:38.55 | greycat | that will tell you what's using port 443 |
| 17:39.00 | nerdcore | sideup66: what jmcnaught said :) |
| 17:39.07 | jubo2 | nothing is using it greycat |
| 17:39.27 | greycat | There you go, then. |
| 17:39.28 | nerdcore | jubo2: then it isn't open! hehe |
| 17:39.34 | jubo2 | 'sudo service nginx start' fails |
| 17:40.05 | jubo2 | I see what the commands it recommends when it tells of the failure yield |
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| 17:40.15 | greycat | Read the errors and fix them. |
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| 17:40.22 | jubo2 | okays |
| 17:40.32 | jubo2 | 'sudo nginx -t' says all is fine |
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| 17:40.37 | jubo2 | so I'm kinda confused |
| 17:41.37 | sideup66 | nerdcore: it fails when i add that line to the vhosts file |
| 17:42.19 | jim | so far we hadn;t gotten an answer to this: on a desktop machine which uses nm to configure the wireless net, there are two commands he needs to issue before the interface shows up in ifconfig... so, my question is, using what mechanism is probably the best for automating those commands? |
| 17:43.11 | awwal | Trying to make a customized mplayer control input file (mplayer cli mode). In /etc/mplayer/input.conf I see "END pt_up_step -1 > pt_step 1 # skip to next file < pt_step -1 # previous" So in own file I would create in ~/.mplayer/input.conf I would just chage > by n (I change of > pt_step 1 by b pt_step 1) ? |
| 17:43.49 | jubo2 | I get https://paste.debian.net/713263/ when I run 'systemctl status nginx.service' |
| 17:43.57 | jubo2 | I'm kind of confused |
| 17:44.05 | jubo2 | I didn't touch anything that would break it |
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| 17:44.17 | jubo2 | the journalctl -xn |
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| 17:44.27 | jubo2 | just says no journal entries |
| 17:44.36 | nerdcore | sideup66: are you loading mod_headers? |
| 17:44.50 | sideup66 | i think? |
| 17:44.54 | greycat | jubo2: well, then you will have to look for the errors in the nginx logs. |
| 17:44.54 | nerdcore | sideup66: `apache2ctl -M` should show which modules are enabled |
| 17:45.01 | nerdcore | iirc |
| 17:45.11 | awwal | default input config file is Home key for previous entry and End for next but it doesnt work. I want change that by B for previous and N for next |
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| 17:45.25 | sideup66 | i see one called rewrite_module |
| 17:45.29 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: does connecting to wifi with the GUI method you used work without entering those commands? |
| 17:45.55 | sideup66 | and the page does redirect without it |
| 17:46.01 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: I don't think so, should I try to restart? |
| 17:46.31 | nerdcore | sideup66: to have apache generate arbitrary headers like one called "Strict-Transport-Security" you will need to enable mod_headers |
| 17:46.39 | jim | jmcnaught, no, as evidenced by wlan0 not showing up in ifconfig after boot |
| 17:46.44 | nerdcore | sideup66: try `a2enmod headers`` |
| 17:46.59 | jmcnaught | jim: Matumaros: did that happen again today or just yesterday? |
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| 17:47.15 | jubo2 | I can't figure out what is wrong.. 'sudo nginx -t' says the confs are just fine |
| 17:47.15 | jim | so really, reallly, we need to automate those commands. |
| 17:47.19 | sideup66 | yeah dont see that |
| 17:47.26 | sideup66 | though over web there is https redirection |
| 17:47.27 | jubo2 | greycat: ait.. I look in /var/log/nginx |
| 17:47.42 | greycat | jim: if it were interfaces(5) we'd probably put it in an "up" option in the interface's stanza. |
| 17:47.56 | greycat | jim: I don't know a thing about wireless or about NM. |
| 17:48.26 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: I didn't restart today |
| 17:48.31 | jim | greycat, ok, thanks for the reply... probably would need to switch to that |
| 17:48.34 | nerdcore | sideup66: enable it with a2enmod |
| 17:48.41 | jubo2 | greycat: looking at that there is something listening to 80 that is stopping nginx from starting |
| 17:48.52 | jubo2 | Lots of "2016/06/01 19:46:34 [emerg] 2356#0: bind() to 37.97.183.15:80 failed (98: Address already in use)" |
| 17:48.54 | greycat | lsof -i :80 |
| 17:49.10 | jim | Matumaros, so you left the machine running from yesterday, and did not reboot today? |
| 17:49.23 | sideup66 | ok that worked |
| 17:49.29 | sideup66 | now re add that stuff to the vhost file |
| 17:49.35 | Matumaros | jim: no, I shut it down yesterday and started it today, but did not restart it today |
| 17:49.35 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: oh i see. what are the commands again? Personally I would test rebooting and configuring network in the GUI, and if the commands are ncessary then put them in the boot somehow |
| 17:49.46 | sideup66 | ? |
| 17:49.57 | Matumaros | jim jmcnaught: well, restarting won't hurt, right? |
| 17:49.57 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: did you enter the commands after starting the computer today? |
| 17:50.04 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: yes |
| 17:50.09 | nerdcore | sideup66: yeah it sounds to me like apache failed because you were trying to set a new Header without mod_headers enabled |
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| 17:50.15 | jubo2 | greycat: umm.. it says a bunch of rubys |
| 17:50.16 | jim | Matumaros, so the computer was off at some time today? |
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| 17:50.33 | Matumaros | jim: yes, I started it short time before I came on here |
| 17:50.38 | greycat | jubo2: huh, weird... you installed some sort of web server process that's written in ruby and listens on port 80? |
| 17:50.53 | Matumaros | so can I just restart and see what happens? |
| 17:50.55 | nerdcore | sideup66: now you should be able to set "Strict-Transport-Security" or any other header like "sideup66s-wicked-new-header" :P |
| 17:51.03 | jim | Matumaros, at that time, did you have to run those two commands'/ |
| 17:51.09 | jim | ? |
| 17:51.29 | Matumaros | I did the list usb thing, it wasn't there, then I did the two commands, again list usb and wasn't there and then I did the things you said |
| 17:51.37 | Matumaros | so I don't know if it really did something today |
| 17:51.52 | jubo2 | greycat: not afaik |
| 17:51.57 | jubo2 | I just isntalled diaspora* |
| 17:52.03 | greycat | ,info diaspora |
| 17:52.04 | judd | No package named 'diaspora' was found in jessie/amd64. |
| 17:52.09 | jubo2 | to migrate from a too expensive server |
| 17:52.09 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 17:52.19 | jim | "things you said", I said a lot of things, you will have to remind me |
| 17:52.38 | Matumaros | jim: alright, hang on a second, also, would it be so bad if I just quickly restart? |
| 17:52.52 | jim | don't restart now |
| 17:53.26 | Matumaros | jim: dmesg; ifconfig -a; iwlist scan |
| 17:53.31 | Matumaros | all after the two commands |
| 17:53.43 | jim | and did the scan work? |
| 17:53.51 | Matumaros | jim: yes |
| 17:53.55 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: what are these mystery commands? |
| 17:53.59 | jim | ok... |
| 17:54.03 | Matumaros | but I'm not sure if it worked because of the commands |
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| 17:54.13 | jim | modprobe of the driver, and an echo |
| 17:54.17 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: modprobe rtl8192cu |
| 17:54.17 | Matumaros | echo "050d 21f2" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8192cu/new_id |
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| 17:54.59 | sebboh- | Is #debian-next not a thing anymore? |
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| 17:55.16 | andril | hello |
| 17:55.21 | sebboh | hello. |
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| 17:55.22 | jim | sebboh-, it's on a different network |
| 17:55.28 | andril | hey sebboh |
| 17:55.37 | sebboh | oh, oftc, I remember now. Well, I'm here. :) |
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| 17:57.02 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: first i would check to see if only the first command is necessary. it's curious why udev isn't loading this module on boot or when the device is plugged in |
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| 17:57.45 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: so.. I just restart the computer, see if it works without the command, if not, just try the first one and see if it works? |
| 17:57.46 | jubo2 | greycat: 'lsof -i :80' prints empty line but nginx still complains it cannot bind to :80 |
| 17:58.08 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: yeah sounds reasonable |
| 17:58.23 | jubo2 | I go ask in #nginx |
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| 17:59.40 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: alright, restarted, no wifi listed |
| 18:00.00 | sebboh | I've got an existing btrfs machine with four physical devices which are in some kind of raid-like configuration. I'd like to move everything into /@old or something and install a new debian system in /. So I downloaded the latest daily netinst (as I have done for years) and booted it up... But the Partition disks screen shows all four devices as being empty. This is not the case. So I backed out of there and opened a shell. I don't |
| 18:00.00 | sebboh | see a /target existing. I figured I'd manually mount the btrfs ... array? in /target, move the old stuff, and proceed from there. ...So, my problems are: where do I find /target? And: If I manually get the target ready, is the installer going to complain that I haven't completed the Partition disks step? |
| 18:00.30 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: dmesg not listing anything relevant |
| 18:00.34 | jim | jmcnaught, we've already done that... apparantly it would require some new backport kernel, I don't know if it works for everything else... the driver modprobe IS NOT SUFFICIENT for making the interface show up... we've said that over and over and over again... I would just like to get this working and the issue disposed of |
| 18:00.52 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: ifconfig -a not listing wifi either |
| 18:01.21 | jhutchins | jubo2: Is nginx already running? |
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| 18:01.32 | jubo2 | jhutchins: don't think so |
| 18:01.39 | greycat | also make sure you ran the lsof -i :80 as root. if you run it as non-root you get no output. |
| 18:01.39 | jubo2 | 'ps aux|grep nginx' ? |
| 18:01.49 | jmcnaught | jim: it seemed to me that Matumaros wasn't sure if the echo to /sys was necessary, or just loading the module. it's good to figure out the minimum that needs to be done |
| 18:01.50 | jubo2 | greycat: aha.. I try with sudo |
| 18:01.52 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: jim is right, it requires both commands |
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| 18:02.08 | jim | Matumaros, what happens if you reboot again, and try only the second command |
| 18:02.19 | jubo2 | greycat: ok. now found the problem |
| 18:02.28 | jubo2 | bunch of apaches fucking things up for nginx |
| 18:02.31 | Matumaros | jim: I'll try that |
| 18:02.41 | jubo2 | I don't remember asking for apaches at any point |
| 18:02.50 | jubo2 | I 'sudo apachectl stop' |
| 18:02.52 | jim | (specifically the echo) |
| 18:03.11 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: you can list the module in /etc/modules, and make a file in /etc/sysctl.d/ for the sys part |
| 18:03.18 | greycat | jubo2: to make 'em not start back up later, systemctl disable apache2.service |
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| 18:03.57 | Matumaros | jim jmcnaught: only the second command gives "No such file or directory" |
| 18:04.30 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: how exactly? |
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| 18:04.47 | nerdcore | sideup66: any luck? |
| 18:05.08 | jim | so that confirms that both command are necessary, and either are not sufficient by themselves |
| 18:05.09 | sideup66 | nope |
| 18:05.23 | sebboh | /erc-tls |
| 18:05.35 | sebboh | ... ignore that. |
| 18:05.46 | Matumaros | jim: yes |
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| 18:07.10 | jim | Matumaros, so, the first command must create the file in /sys/... |
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| 18:08.31 | Matumaros | jim: so I list the echo part in the /etc/modules file and the other one in a new file in /etc/sysctled/, right? |
| 18:09.29 | jim | so, are files in /etc/sysctl.d read before or after modules listed in /etc/modules are loaded? |
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| 18:10.43 | jim | Matumaros, no. do this: put the module you modprobed in /etc/modules, then reboot and see if it gets loaded (by doing the echo after booting) |
| 18:11.13 | zW | Hi there |
| 18:11.22 | Matumaros | jim: just the module or the modprobe part too? |
| 18:11.25 | zW | Anyone using Emulex OCM14104-UX-D 10Gb card in the debian release version? |
| 18:11.28 | jim | (just the module name, -not- the modprobe) |
| 18:11.37 | Matumaros | ok |
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| 18:11.46 | ikonia | zW: debian or ubuntu as you're asking on both |
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| 18:11.47 | sideup66 | nerdcore: error is includesubdomains is unknown |
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| 18:12.14 | jim | then we'll automate the second command |
| 18:12.17 | zW | ikonia: I tried them in both but have problems with it :) |
| 18:12.47 | nerdcore | sideup66: you restarted apache? does `apache2ctl -M` show mod_headers? |
| 18:13.03 | jim | zW, are you running debian right now? or are you running ubuntu right now? |
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| 18:13.41 | Matumaros | jim: echo worked |
| 18:13.50 | jim | ok... one sec. |
| 18:13.56 | Matumaros | :) |
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| 18:14.36 | Matumaros | jim: btw, do you think it makes any difference (speed wise) that I have the adapter in the old USB ports and not in a 3.0 one? |
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| 18:15.24 | jim | that would first depend on whether the wireless can do usb 3 |
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| 18:15.44 | sideup66 | nerdcore: nope? |
| 18:16.08 | Matumaros | jim: I'm pretty sure it can, would it? |
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| 18:17.04 | jim | Matumaros, ok, put the wireless command in /etc/sysctl.d/local-wireless.conf |
| 18:17.40 | jmcnaught | jim: Matumaros: actually i think i got it confused, sysctl is for /proc/sys not /sys. |
| 18:17.49 | sideup66 | =\ |
| 18:17.56 | Matumaros | jim: That's a new file, right? |
| 18:18.02 | jim | Matumaros, lets get this done before dealing with "what if" questions |
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| 18:18.44 | jim | Matumaros, hold on a sec |
| 18:19.05 | jim | jmcnaught, does that change where the echo cmd should go? |
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| 18:19.49 | sideup66 | nerdcore: got anything else for me? |
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| 18:21.47 | jmcnaught | jim: Matumaros: the echo command could simply be put in rc.local. sysfsutils could also be used. it might also be possible to pass it as a module option in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 18:22.25 | jim | sec. |
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| 18:25.14 | Matumaros | jim: so? |
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| 18:25.58 | jim | does rc.local run after /etc/modules is read (and modules loaded)? |
| 18:26.15 | greycat | I would imagine so. |
| 18:26.26 | greycat | It should be quite late in the boot proess. |
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| 18:27.07 | jim | ok, we'll try each one |
| 18:27.42 | Matumaros | jim: so I put the whole line in /etc/rc.local? |
| 18:28.30 | jim | Matumaros, yeah, that should work fine (the echo command, also do not forget to put a comment about what it's doing |
| 18:28.45 | jim | comments start with # |
| 18:28.47 | greycat | and make sure it's BEFORE exit 0 (or just remove the exit 0 entirely) |
| 18:28.59 | Matumaros | jim: ok, will do, will report back after that and restart |
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| 18:29.24 | jim | acceptance test: does interface show up in ifconfig -a |
| 18:29.47 | jim | you doing that right now? |
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| 18:30.16 | Matumaros | I added the line to rc.local and I'm restarting now |
| 18:30.26 | jim | ok |
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| 18:31.00 | jim | it's also possible your net will be up, test for that: ping yahoo.com |
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| 18:31.18 | Matumaros | jim: is connected and I can access the internet :) |
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| 18:31.42 | jim | ok, so the wireless is actually up... good |
| 18:31.42 | Matumaros | jim: yes worked :):) |
| 18:32.20 | Matumaros | jim, greycat, jmcnaught: thanks for your help guys! |
| 18:32.44 | jim | welcome... definitely wanted to get this out of the way |
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| 18:33.08 | Matumaros | jim: I can install everything else I need now, right? |
| 18:33.42 | jim | Matumaros, what's one thing you need? |
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| 18:34.10 | Matumaros | jim: guake, browser, editor, those kinds of things |
| 18:34.31 | jim | which editor do you want? |
| 18:34.46 | Matumaros | um, why? |
| 18:34.47 | jim | what |
| 18:35.02 | jim | so that we can see if apt-get works |
| 18:35.11 | Matumaros | oh, ok, SublimeText3 |
| 18:35.24 | jim | ,v SublimeText3 |
| 18:35.25 | judd | No package named 'SublimeText3' was found in amd64. |
| 18:35.30 | teraflops | Heh |
| 18:35.37 | x-stream | hi, I am investigating a break in and found shellcode. lsof shows files that are not in the filesystem while the program is running. /usb/bin/host is involved |
| 18:35.47 | Matumaros | ,v sublime_text_3 |
| 18:35.48 | jim | what's the actual package name? |
| 18:35.48 | judd | No package named 'sublime_text_3' was found in amd64. |
| 18:36.13 | x-stream | I want to get the file content that lsof shows off. they have the FD Flag DEL, how can I get access to it? |
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| 18:36.36 | Matumaros | jim: I don't know :) |
| 18:37.00 | Matumaros | ,v sublime-text-3 |
| 18:37.01 | judd | No package named 'sublime-text-3' was found in amd64. |
| 18:37.07 | jmcnaught | i don't think sublimetext is open source, or in Debian |
| 18:37.15 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ apt-cache search sublime text |
| 18:37.15 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ |
| 18:37.36 | Matumaros | jim: http://askubuntu.com/questions/172698/how-do-i-install-sublime-text-2-3 |
| 18:37.39 | x-stream | I want to get this file lsof shows of: host 10969 USER DEL REG 9,2 59640726 /var/www/somepath/thumbs/cmsurls.so |
| 18:37.49 | greycat | I suggest learning a common unix text editor. Even nano will do in a pinch. |
| 18:37.49 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: it works perfectly fine on this machine |
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| 18:38.11 | Matumaros | greycat: I use nano for that things, but not for programming |
| 18:38.23 | greycat | Fine. |
| 18:38.24 | jim | but you can... |
| 18:38.28 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: i'm sure it works fine, you just won't find proprietary programs in Debian's repositories |
| 18:39.01 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: I see, so the link I posted should work though? |
| 18:39.25 | jim | Matumaros, what else? what browser? |
| 18:39.27 | x-stream | I already tried to find it by doing this: ls -l /proc/10969/fd/4 but it gives me a socket |
| 18:39.36 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: i would probably go to the sublimetext website and follow their instructions before trying random google results |
| 18:39.46 | Matumaros | ,v vivaldi |
| 18:39.48 | judd | No package named 'vivaldi' was found in amd64. |
| 18:40.00 | Matumaros | ,v skype |
| 18:40.01 | judd | No package named 'skype' was found in amd64. |
| 18:40.15 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: will do that |
| 18:40.17 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: you can message the bot privately |
| 18:40.29 | Matumaros | how? |
| 18:40.51 | jim | skype is problematic... the devs try to change it in order to defeat it's running on linux |
| 18:40.54 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: /msg judd v firefox |
| 18:41.18 | Matumaros | jim: yeah, but my friends will cry my ear off if I don't get it :D |
| 18:41.27 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 18:42.12 | jmcnaught | Matumaros: there's a wiki page for installing skype: https://wiki.debian.org/skype but you could try getting them to use a webrtc based video chat like talky.io or firefox hello |
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| 18:42.37 | x-stream | list |
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| 18:42.56 | Matumaros | jmcnaught: oh, didn't know about that one :) Thanks |
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| 18:43.24 | jim | x-stream, this is not a warez honeypot |
| 18:43.32 | Matumaros | Are there any other alternatives to Skype? All those in "10 great Skype alternatives on Linux" aren't that great |
| 18:43.37 | x-stream | ? |
| 18:43.54 | Ooze | TOX |
| 18:44.07 | x-stream | what do you mean? I want to get it to find out what it does and disclose it |
| 18:44.34 | jim | x-stream, get what? |
| 18:44.58 | greycat | He believes he has been cracked, and a malicious file installed, then opened/executed, then unlinked. |
| 18:45.04 | x-stream | yes |
| 18:45.16 | x-stream | and I want to get the contents of the file lsof shows of |
| 18:45.30 | x-stream | so that I know what its targets are |
| 18:45.40 | jim | oh ok... then I got confused as to what was the purpose of "list" |
| 18:45.52 | Matumaros | jim: guake is something we can try |
| 18:46.01 | x-stream | I checked channels and mistyped didnt use irc for a long time |
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| 18:46.36 | x-stream | any ideas? |
| 18:46.38 | mutante | Matumaros: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Jeans_Network |
| 18:46.42 | jim | guake - Drop-down terminal for GNOME Desktop Environment <--- you mean this? |
| 18:46.50 | Matumaros | jim: yes |
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| 18:47.15 | jim | ok, then try: apt-get install guake |
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| 18:47.30 | nerdcore | sideup66: sorry no. never got HSTS working myself. Not sure what the advantage would be TBH. Just force HTTP to HTTPS and call it a day IMO :) |
| 18:47.48 | x-stream | I will put the contents of the initial php file online now just a sec |
| 18:48.08 | Matumaros | jim: Do I need to be root? Because it asks me to be |
| 18:48.19 | jim | (and the situation you're trying it in: we just automated getting your interface up, you rebooted, the net is up, and we're now trying apt-get |
| 18:48.26 | jim | yep |
| 18:48.32 | jim | as root |
| 18:48.41 | jim | ) |
| 18:49.02 | Matumaros | jim: Unable to locate package guake |
| 18:49.36 | Matumaros | jim: because I have no mirrors set up, right? |
| 18:50.10 | x-stream | anybody thing he can help me with this? otherwise I will try to find help on other places |
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| 18:50.29 | jim | Matumaros, maybe... pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:50.39 | Matumaros | jim: will do |
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| 18:51.38 | Matumaros | jim: well... it only has comments in it and one line "deb cdrom:<DVD I used to install>" |
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| 18:52.09 | greycat | x-stream: The only thing I can think of would be to attach to the running process with gdb, then try to rewind the open file and dump the content out somehow, which may be hard as hell especially with a shared library (non-text). |
| 18:52.20 | greycat | x-stream: if the file has already been closed, it's gone. |
| 18:52.24 | jim | Matumaros, zooming out... I very strongly recommend you practice reading man pages, it's a skill, and the kind of writing is sometimes a bit strange... |
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| 18:52.34 | x-stream | its still open |
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| 18:52.48 | jim | Matumaros, transfer the file to your laptop, then pastebin it |
| 18:52.50 | x-stream | because of this I do not kill the process for the moment |
| 18:52.51 | sideup66 | nerdcore: i may wind up doing that |
| 18:52.55 | sideup66 | because it is ssl |
| 18:52.57 | x-stream | I am watching it |
| 18:52.58 | sideup66 | and the only time its not |
| 18:53.07 | sideup66 | is when im using local ip addresses |
| 18:53.14 | sideup66 | at that point, who cares? im in my home network |
| 18:53.18 | jim | brb |
| 18:53.54 | Matumaros | jim: I don't understand what you mean with your first answer |
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| 18:55.21 | cluelessperson | Wtf. |
| 18:55.30 | cluelessperson | "A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interfaces" |
| 18:55.32 | Matumaros | jim: pastebin.com/1jdw86aA |
| 18:56.14 | cluelessperson | nvm |
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| 18:56.25 | markybob | Matumaros: see what the bot sent you |
| 18:56.54 | Matumaros | markybob: I saw, so I can just replace the current line with "deb" with those 3 that the bot sent? |
| 18:57.14 | markybob | Matumaros: yes. then apt-get update |
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| 18:57.39 | Matumaros | markybob: ok, thanks, will do |
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| 19:00.01 | jim | Matumaros, comment out all the lines that have cdrom in them... |
| 19:00.37 | Matumaros | jim: did |
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| 19:01.39 | jim | uncomment lines 8, and 10 |
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| 19:02.09 | markybob | jim: dpkg gave him the right lines to use. he knows |
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| 19:03.01 | Matumaros | jim markybob: alright, apt-get update done |
| 19:03.20 | jim | Matumaros, try: apt-get install guake |
| 19:03.30 | Matumaros | jim: seems to work |
| 19:03.34 | Matumaros | done |
| 19:03.57 | jim | see if you have guake |
| 19:04.15 | Matumaros | jim: yes :) |
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| 19:05.13 | Matumaros | jim: so, we are done? |
| 19:05.17 | jim | good,,, seems like you're all set now,,, |
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| 19:06.13 | Matumaros | jim: awesome :) Thanks a lot to you, I would probably have given up by now, or the computer would have went up in flames |
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| 19:08.05 | jim | one thing... be -very- careful about installing anything outside of the apt-get thing... |
| 19:08.36 | jim | and be equally careful about adding things to sources.list |
| 19:08.54 | Matumaros | jim: I will, but I guess it will be unavoidable :) |
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| 19:09.44 | jim | just be careful.... dependency hell is a very ugly place to be... |
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| 19:10.29 | mtn | Matumaros: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 19:10.34 | Matumaros | thanks for the warning :) |
| 19:10.59 | jhutchins | ET016-CUCM-PUB |
| 19:11.05 | Matumaros | mtn: thank you |
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| 19:11.49 | mtn | Matumaros: welcome |
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| 19:12.38 | zW | So no emulex 10g users here? :) |
| 19:13.07 | catbehemoth | I ma trying to set up a vm with uefi, I installed ovmf but virt-manager still says no UEFI/OVMF can someone tell me what am I missing? on ubuntu all I had to do is install ovmf and restart libvirt services... |
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| 19:13.48 | Matumaros | mtn: but things like SublimeText and Vivaldi browser are not in the Debian repo :( |
| 19:14.02 | c-c | Matumaros: more homework now |
| 19:14.06 | mtn | Matumaros: you don't really need them. |
| 19:14.21 | c-c | Matumaros: of course propritetary software isnt in Debian! |
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| 19:14.55 | Matumaros | mtn: I don't really need a computer either... |
| 19:15.12 | c-c | besides, vim eats Sublime for breakfast. Learn vim, its omnicomplete, netrw and regexes. |
| 19:15.26 | mtn | Matumaros: well, you have been warned. you can do what you want to, but won't get much sympathy if you break it doing so |
| 19:16.03 | Matumaros | c-c: I don't agree on that, I tried vim, but everybody has their preferences |
| 19:16.12 | Matumaros | mtn: thank you, I hope nothing breaks |
| 19:17.19 | c-c | Matumaros: it is not easy, but it is nost powerful editor in history |
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| 19:18.04 | jhutchins | Matumaros: As with WIndows software in Linux, you should look for what alternatives are available. They are often better than the closed source, non-Debian programs. |
| 19:19.13 | Matumaros | c-c: I don't disagree with that, just for serious development it's too bare for my taste |
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| 19:19.37 | c-c | Matumaros: see that is where your knowledge is short |
| 19:19.49 | Matumaros | jhutchins: what are you talking about specifically? |
| 19:19.55 | Matumaros | c-c: :) |
| 19:19.59 | c-c | Matumaros: vim is full blown ide without any additions by itself. |
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| 19:20.31 | c-c | sublime may have easier gui, but is not as fully featured |
| 19:20.46 | Matumaros | c-c: alright, I'll have another look at it |
| 19:21.37 | c-c | Matumaros: if you are a programmer or a author, vim can do it all. Get a book like "Hacking Vim" to help you start, if you really interested in superb editor/IDE. |
| 19:21.51 | c-c | *an author ;) |
| 19:22.09 | c-c | Also, NeoVim is coming... |
| 19:22.51 | Matumaros | c-c: well a colleague at work once tried to convince me of vim, it didn't blow me away, but I'll have another look at it |
| 19:24.25 | SuperTramp83 | c-c: I'd like to interject for a moment.. |
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| 19:27.32 | c-c | 's soapbox speech for vim has already ended 8) |
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| 19:32.06 | babilen | evil on emacs is superiour ;) |
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| 19:37.10 | jelly | here's a riddle: how can a zombie process eat 100% of a CPU core? |
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| 19:37.35 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.35 | jelly | 18478 jelly 20 0 0 0 0 Z 100.0 0.0 118:59.15 chrome |
| 19:37.38 | greycat | You took a snapshot of its historical CPU usage right after its death, and it was showing you an average from when it had been alive? |
| 19:37.50 | jelly | no, top defaults |
| 19:38.00 | greycat | I don't even know what top's defaults *are*. |
| 19:38.19 | jelly | "realtime" one second refresh |
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| 19:38.40 | greycat | is the 118:59.15 going up? |
| 19:38.50 | spacebug^ | In Debian Jessie, I get no sound from Spotify, but I get sound from Gnome itself. I wounder if somehow Spotify is using ALSA directly instead of through Pulse, but aplay without parameters plays files correctly so then ALSA is setup correct too? Hum.. |
| 19:38.59 | jelly | greycat: yes |
| 19:39.03 | greycat | *boggle* |
| 19:39.18 | greycat | something is very confused. |
| 19:39.46 | jelly | ah, it died in the end, just took its sweet time |
| 19:40.02 | jelly | still. zombies eating brains. |
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| 19:41.31 | spacebug^ | can't seem to find any /etc/modprobe.d/asound.conf |
| 19:41.35 | spacebug^ | removed? |
| 19:41.54 | jelly | I suspect doing a kill -9 (that's how I killed it before it became a zombie) made the deallocate its significant usage of swap space |
| 19:42.08 | jelly | the kernel* |
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| 19:44.22 | jelly | and I have swap in compressed RAM (zram), so CPU time spent in kernel doing presumably uncompressing pages or related structures to get rid of them... was counted as user process cpu time |
| 19:45.01 | Matumaros | How do I set a custom compose key? In the GNOME GUI I can only select a few, but the one I want is not among them |
| 19:45.32 | Matumaros | Is /etc/default/console-setup the right place? |
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| 19:46.26 | greycat | Matumaros: no. |
| 19:46.40 | greycat | Definitely, positively not, for anything with GNOME in the question. |
| 19:47.08 | Matumaros | greycat: what do you mean? |
| 19:47.22 | greycat | There is no way no how no conceivable connection between /etc/default/console-setup and GNOME. |
| 19:47.38 | greycat | GNOME is an X program. |
| 19:47.57 | greycat | X does not use the Linux consoles. |
| 19:48.32 | Matumaros | greycat: I didn't imply that there was, I just said that over GNOME GUI Settings/Keyboard/Shortcuts/Typing/Compose Key you can set it, but the one I want is not among them |
| 19:49.20 | Matumaros | so I was looking online for how to do it manually and /etc/default/console-setup was one answer |
| 19:49.43 | c-c | Is there a way to edit sources.list from within Aptitude (console/ncurses)? |
| 19:49.54 | greycat | 15:45 Matumaros> Is /etc/default/console-setup the right place? |
| 19:49.55 | greycat | 15:46 greycat> Matumaros: no. |
| 19:50.28 | Matumaros | greycat: so how do you do it then? |
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| 19:51.21 | Matumaros | greycat: oh wait, I might have found something |
| 19:51.31 | greycat | I do it by running xmodmap commands from my ~/.xsession file which is a solution that works for me because I use startx to run X, not gdm3, not GNOME. |
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| 19:53.22 | Matumaros | greycat: I see... well, the thing I thought is something isn't because it talks about an older version of GNOME |
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| 19:54.17 | c-c | Basically I am asking for non-gui, console way to add repositories from a list, like in gui-synaptic= |
| 19:54.20 | greycat | I've said this before, but... there is a large and growing divide between two major segments of the Debian community: older users who generally abhor DEs and know nothing about them, and newer users who use DEs and need help with them. |
| 19:54.31 | c-c | * without manual editing, that is ! |
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| 19:55.10 | somiaj | c-c: just put a source.list file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ that contains the sources you want. |
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| 19:55.17 | c-c | somiaj: nope |
| 19:55.34 | somiaj | c-c: once you have the repos, just copy the file in place. Probably easier than having some tool edit the config file for you |
| 19:55.39 | c-c | somiaj: I am looking for something that shows you a list of available repos - like in synaptic. |
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| 19:56.11 | somiaj | c-c: what do you mean by available repos, in debian there is basicaly one repo and the security sources, it isn't like there is a full list of ones you want to turn on/off. |
| 19:56.23 | c-c | I know all about editing sources.list by hand. I'm looking for something semi-user/noob friendly. |
| 19:56.40 | somiaj | there are some programs that will test different mirrors for you and try to find a good one, but httpredir.debian.org works good in most cases. |
| 19:56.55 | somiaj | c-c: what repos are you wanting to be able to add/remove? |
| 19:57.01 | c-c | somiaj: why do you ask? Theres testing, non-free, secu, backports... |
| 19:57.19 | c-c | somiaj: step back, and read what I am asking for again :) |
| 19:57.41 | somiaj | c-c: it may not exist, I haven't seen something like that because in it really isn't needed. I'm trying to suggest alternatives. |
| 19:57.41 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 19:57.41 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:58.03 | c-c | A guided way, to add repo sources, from console, like a ncurses synaptic? |
| 19:58.06 | somiaj | you shoudln't need to edit the sources.list after you set it up and when you do the standard method is via $EDITOR |
| 19:58.26 | unborn | c-c: in debian its synaptic best option, you can edit sources there.. simple is that. |
| 19:59.00 | greycat | There is no NEED to add sources. It's set up one time during installation with a network available. |
| 19:59.09 | at0m | unborn: you mean /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
| 19:59.16 | greycat | The only time you change it is if you want to add contrib/non-free or backports. |
| 19:59.51 | at0m | imho, root has no bizz whatsoever running anything graphical. if gramma allows. |
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| 20:00.16 | greycat | Oh, is that what he was asking for? A GUI admin tool to run as root? *bleh!* |
| 20:00.32 | greycat | (For a nonexistent admin task, even.) |
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| 20:00.44 | learner_of_debia | I am trying to reduce the resolution of my systemd/console (I don't want to change the font size). I have successfully made grub and X the right resolution, but the resolution seems to change back to the highest resolution when the system switches to the systemd messages and console. Most searches seem to suggest that setting GRUB-GFXMODE and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX should solve he problem, but it doesn't for me. How can I change |
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| 20:02.02 | c-c | Ah, not even synaptic can add "testing" repo in a "guided" way. |
| 20:02.22 | greycat | OH GODS |
| 20:02.28 | greycat | Oh, just... no. |
| 20:02.47 | c-c | greycat: step down from your tower to the sidewalk for a second. Not every user is the eleet hacker that you have the priviledge of being. |
| 20:03.07 | greycat | Done. Bye bye. *plonk* |
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| 20:03.21 | jmcnaught | c-c: stable users shouldn't be adding testing repos anyways, and synaptic is not an appropriate tool to dist-upgrade from stable to testing |
| 20:03.30 | c-c | wow, what an obnoxius elitist attitude |
| 20:03.34 | greycat | People who can't manage to replace jessie with testing in a text file have NO FUCKING BUSINESS running testing. AT ALL. None. |
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| 20:03.46 | TomTomTo1 | c-c it's just editing a textfile. there is no real need for a dedicated tool. why do you think you need to switch to testing anyway? |
| 20:03.47 | jmcnaught | c-c: it doesn't seem like the tool you're looking for exists |
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| 20:04.02 | c-c | jmcnaught: yes, looks so |
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| 20:04.18 | greycat | He's coming from some non-Debian background where people have to add "repos" to their sources because their operating systems are terrible. |
| 20:04.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | so i've got a docker image of jessie.... i'm telling it to apt-get install libssl-dev... |
| 20:04.38 | c-c | greycat is so completely full of his own idea, it is not funny. |
| 20:04.45 | jmcnaught | c-c: it's true though, people shouldn't be using testing or unstable until they know the Debian tools fairly well (and are prepared to fix problems) |
| 20:04.46 | c-c | greycat: stop trolling now |
| 20:04.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | it tells me how much disk space will be used, then it says "Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Abort." |
| 20:04.49 | TomTomTosch | let's move on. |
| 20:04.58 | NoImNotNineVolt | as in, it aborts instantly on its own. wtf. |
| 20:05.03 | c-c | has used debian since 2006 and I know exactly how this works. |
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| 20:05.31 | jmcnaught | NoImNotNineVolt: can you show a transcript with the command and output in a paste? |
| 20:05.45 | c-c | jmcnaught: true. The aim is to install newer version of a software. |
| 20:06.12 | TomTomTosch | !tell c-c about debian-next |
| 20:06.23 | TomTomTosch | c-c testing support is over there ^ |
| 20:06.43 | c-c | I dont need testing support, TomTomTosch |
| 20:06.58 | jmcnaught | c-c: adding testing repos is not the way to do that, that'll just result in a hybrid stable-testing system. If the newer software isn't available in jessie-backports you could try backporting the package yourself (or just accept the stable version because that's how Debian works) |
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| 20:07.25 | c-c | jmcnaught: yep, might have to, but thats totally not for "normal users" |
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| 20:08.01 | jmcnaught | c-c: Debian sorta expects that users will get the most benefit out of stable packages |
| 20:08.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/30fcd81d/ |
| 20:08.24 | c-c | jmcnaught: as you probably guessed, the desired version is not in stable... |
| 20:08.54 | jmcnaught | c-c: check in jessie-backports |
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| 20:09.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | jmcnaught: you can see it never gets to FOO3. there is no keyboard input being provided. it just aborts. |
| 20:09.50 | jmcnaught | NoImNotNineVolt: oh it's a script running apt-get? you could add "-y" |
| 20:10.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | jmcnaught: then why does the first package install? :P |
| 20:10.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | tries -y |
| 20:10.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | that did the trick. now i feel stupid. |
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| 20:10.56 | jmcnaught | NoImNotNineVolt: with apt-get it doesn't ask for confirmation if it only needs to install the packages listed on the command line. It *does* ask if it needs to install more than you asked for |
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| 20:11.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | jmcnaught: today i learned. thanks. |
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| 20:11.46 | TomTomTosch | installing with -y makes my palms go sweaty :S |
| 20:12.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | also, i'll just chime in that i consider greycat to be an ornery sob that is almost always right :P |
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| 20:12.04 | jmcnaught | removing with -y is even worse |
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| 20:14.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | yay, i have a deb! |
| 20:15.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | thanks everyone. i got rusty at packaging :P |
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| 20:20.17 | moozer | Is there a way to set up apt, so it uses an apt-proxy if it is available on the local network? |
| 20:20.33 | moozer | I can hardcode it in apt.conf to use a proxy, but I want it dynamic |
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| 20:26.32 | c-c | moozer: maybe you could use the transport layer for that behaviour... |
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| 20:27.33 | moozer | c-c: as in tcp/udp? |
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| 20:33.36 | jhutchins | moozer: You could wrap it in a shell that tests for the local proxy. |
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| 20:35.03 | moozer | jhutchins: It would be fairly simple to make something that listens on a localhost port, and set that port to be the proxy |
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| 20:35.56 | moozer | It just seems like a zeroconf/bonjour/avahi/whatever thing that someon would have implemented |
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| 20:37.33 | dongcarl | Hey guys, say that I've installed a .deb file with gdebi (which installs its dependencies), what's the best command to remove that package along with its dependencies that aren't dependencies of other packages I've installed? |
| 20:38.13 | dongcarl | I read online that 'aptitude purge' would work, but the man page doesn't mention anything about dependencies |
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| 20:39.24 | petn-randall | dongcarl: 'apt-get autoremove' will remove any automatically installed packages that aren't depended on anymore. Could be though that any installed packages are recommends/suggests of other packages, so you might end up not removing any other packages at all. |
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| 20:41.00 | unborn | dongcarl: if that was not origin deb file you can do dpkg -l | grep programs-name or su apt-get remove programs-name |
| 20:41.18 | dongcarl | petn-randall: Okay I see... there's no way to deterministically uninstall and get to the state before I installed the .deb file? |
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| 20:41.59 | unborn | dpkg -l | grep firts-at-least-3letters will tell you complete name of the package you want to remove and then apt-get remove... |
| 20:41.59 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep firts-at-least-3letters will tell you complete name of the package you want to remove and then apt-get remove... |
| 20:42.06 | petn-randall | dongcarl: You can check the apt history what was installed to satisfy the package dependencies, and just remove that. There's a log in /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 20:42.32 | unborn | wth? |
| 20:43.01 | dongcarl | Okay thanks for the help guys :-) |
| 20:43.01 | unborn | ah bot.. I completely forgot its here.. sorry about that |
| 20:43.21 | petn-randall | unborn: hahahaha :) |
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| 20:44.00 | unborn | petn-randall: well .. one of those days you know :) |
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| 20:46.34 | oussama | Hello I have disable all sites in site-enabled apache directory however apache is still server /var/www/html after restart |
| 20:46.58 | unborn | oussama: then turn apache down |
| 20:47.18 | oussama | Yes |
| 20:47.19 | ocb | hello |
| 20:47.23 | greycat | /var/www/html is what apache uses for non-virtual-host requests |
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| 20:48.45 | ocb | I have a question and need some help, setuping jessie but I am in a small dilema. I have a 500G HDD and a 16G SSD, the SSD I want to use for caching. Should I use something like dm-cache or bcache or should I put swap on SSD? What is the difference |
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| 20:49.25 | unborn | ocb: perhaps install / on ssd and /home to normal hdd |
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| 20:49.44 | unborn | using ssd for swap is waste of the disk |
| 20:50.06 | jhutchins | ocb: It would suprise me if there weren't some writeups on setting up a caching SSD system on the web somewhere. |
| 20:50.24 | unborn | unless you have less then 500 megs of ram |
| 20:50.53 | ocb | well, that means I sldn't use swap. I'll play with bcache or dm-cache |
| 20:51.10 | unborn | ocb: I aint said you should not use swap heh |
| 20:51.12 | ocb | shouldnt* |
| 20:51.13 | oussama | greycat, I can't find any refrence for this behaviour in the documentation |
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| 20:51.39 | ocb | well, that's why I am in dilema, I don't know what would be the best thing to do, I have 8G memory |
| 20:51.41 | unborn | ocb: swap you only use if there is not enough ram.. aka temporary ram.. |
| 20:51.56 | teraflops | unborn: not really |
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| 20:52.41 | greycat | oussama: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default.conf |
| 20:52.47 | unborn | ocb: having / on ssd gives you nice fast system /home on normal hdd give you standard speed for accessing your files but longer life meh if you use one of those cheapest ssds I would defo do setup like this.. |
| 20:53.06 | teraflops | unborn: again not really |
| 20:53.16 | ocb | well it's a prebuiltin ssd in lenovo thinkpad w540 |
| 20:53.21 | unborn | teraflops: yeah.. I know...also when suspend the os everything is written to swap I guess.. |
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| 20:53.51 | unborn | teraflops: on 16gigs? |
| 20:54.01 | teraflops | sure |
| 20:54.17 | teraflops | unborn: you mean /home? |
| 20:54.22 | unborn | yeah |
| 20:54.48 | unborn | hes got 500hdd and 16ssd |
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| 20:55.02 | teraflops | hmm too small I guess |
| 20:55.09 | unborn | ocb: those are that micro ssds.. |
| 20:55.16 | ocb | yeah, it's prebuiltin |
| 20:55.36 | teraflops | those are intended for caching I think |
| 20:55.50 | ocb | exactly that was my question |
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| 20:56.04 | oussama | greycat, this file does not exist on my system |
| 20:56.07 | ocb | should I use swap and place it on ssd (you already answered) or should I play with bcache or dm-cache |
| 20:56.14 | unborn | ocb: those are really nice and fast.. |
| 20:56.33 | greycat | oussama: look in sites-available, then? It's the default file for the default config. |
| 20:56.40 | unborn | :D |
| 20:57.21 | ocb | I'll setup lvm and encrypt it, then later bcache probably I've read some articles about it, I hope it'll work on encrypted ssd or maybe i'll need to decrypt it |
| 20:57.36 | ocb | will go play with it :) |
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| 20:58.13 | SQL | having one heck of a time with NFS... Drive 1 is /... Drive 2 is /mnt/drive2 ... Drive 3 is /mnt/drive3 . I export 2 and 3 via NFS - and on another host, every time I mount 2 and 3 - both mount to 2. (etc on the remote machine, both drives 2 and 3 show the contents of drive 2). Driving me up the wall. |
| 20:58.19 | teraflops | unborn: you mean one of those hybrid ssd-mechanical drives? |
| 20:58.24 | oussama | greycat, I know but as the file is note in site-enabled it is not supposed to catch http resquets as far as I know actually the folder site-enables it empty in my server and the server still servers /var/www/html/ |
| 20:58.42 | ocb | teraflops: says here liteonit lss-16l |
| 20:58.50 | unborn | teraflops: ah no no.. sshds are a bit different.. |
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| 20:59.05 | unborn | but they are defo great |
| 20:59.06 | teraflops | ah ok |
| 20:59.31 | unborn | teraflops: my setup is 500ssd and 1tb sshd on every laptop |
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| 20:59.49 | teraflops | oh looks pretty good |
| 20:59.56 | ocb | I don't have money for 1 SSD, this is not my laptop. I would like that stuff too :) |
| 21:00.04 | teraflops | ocb: I think you want bcache |
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| 21:00.19 | ocb | bcache yeah, was thinking to put it |
| 21:00.42 | ocb | that was the dilema, swap on ssd, bcache, dm-cache or / on ssd |
| 21:00.59 | ocb | I'll end up with bcache, just hope everything will work with lvm and encrypted disks |
| 21:01.11 | unborn | teraflops: yeah I use those utra durable ssd disks but you know.. just for case normal rotary sshd is still present in a case ssd will suddenly die |
| 21:01.13 | ocb | it will |
| 21:01.19 | ocb | thank you unborn and teraflops |
| 21:01.22 | unborn | i've seen it on those cheapest ones. |
| 21:01.45 | teraflops | ocb: there's a LVM cache thing too |
| 21:02.02 | teraflops | ocb: np |
| 21:02.17 | unborn | ocb: SanDisk SDSSDHII480G (X31200RL) does not cost that much |
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| 21:02.37 | unborn | I paid about 120 for it.. but that was like year ago.. it should be cheaper now |
| 21:02.57 | ocb | everything is much when you hardly have money to eat. |
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| 21:03.10 | unborn | ocb: yeah that is true |
| 21:03.11 | teraflops | unborn: oh I have a shitty laptop (work) I ended putting a ssd on it and moving the hdd to the dvd bay :P |
| 21:03.27 | unborn | teraflops: exactly :) |
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| 21:03.50 | unborn | teraflops: on all laptops in home I replaced dvd with hdd.. |
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| 21:03.54 | teraflops | those caddy thingies are a good idea |
| 21:04.02 | unborn | yap |
| 21:04.20 | unborn | great for backup but also for extra space |
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| 21:05.09 | unborn | got few external dvd mechanics as you can buy for few quits dvd bay for internal laptops dvd mechanic :) |
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| 21:06.32 | unborn | ocb: this is the one I use.. (knocking on wood) it did not failed me so far.. https://www.sandisk.com/home/ssd/extreme-pro-ssd |
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| 21:07.20 | ocb | thanks, I'll bookmark that one :) |
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| 21:07.52 | unborn | ocb well you can purchase 120 gigs ssd for about £32 |
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| 21:08.26 | unborn | and hdd dvd rom bay for about £5.00 and use 500gigs hdd as additional disk space |
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| 21:09.11 | ocb | I will see when I will have some money, seen on ebay but enver bought there, don't know how safe iti s |
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| 21:10.38 | unborn | ocb: shop would be best.. ive seen people getting fakes.. I mean I am not saying its all fake but, just disks should be purchased somewhere else then on ebay |
| 21:11.02 | unborn | ocb: also make sure its not second hand if you considering ssd.. |
| 21:11.10 | jmcnaught | oussama: did you reload or restart apache after removing all the files from sites-enabled? |
| 21:12.05 | unborn | jmcnaught: I think the chaps having apache loaded with system each reboot.. I think if he wants it off, he need to remove apache or disable on startup.. |
| 21:12.21 | ocb | unborn: here in shop, they're still too much expensive. :) Need to setup the laptop, enjoy the day and thanks for help. |
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| 21:12.23 | unborn | ...there is not much other to be said I guess. |
| 21:12.41 | unborn | ocb: enjoy your new laptop :) |
| 21:13.03 | ocb | not mine laptop, got it for using for a while on work :) |
| 21:13.40 | unborn | ocb: that doesnt really matter, just enjoy of debian I would say |
| 21:13.44 | unborn | :) |
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| 21:13.55 | ocb | true will do :) |
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| 21:48.34 | andril | running 8.4 where do we go from here? |
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| 21:50.32 | jmcnaught | andril: now simply enjoy using your computer? |
| 21:50.42 | crash_ | :) |
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| 21:51.28 | andril | jmcnaught, i already am just looking towards the future of Debian that's all :) |
| 21:51.41 | cluelessperson | Hi all, what's the easiest way to add a preseed to a debian install iso? |
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| 21:51.53 | ataldis | andril: now you set gnome desktop to display date and you're good to go. :) |
| 21:51.59 | ataldis | $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface clock-show-date true |
| 21:52.05 | markybob | andril: standby for spring 2017 |
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| 21:53.37 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: the install manual has a section on this, loading it from a server: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apb.html.en |
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| 21:54.14 | stakewinner00 | Hi, |
| 21:54.37 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: there's also this technique you could try that seems a little more of a kludge: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso |
| 21:54.54 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, I'm asking how to remaster an iso |
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| 21:55.11 | andril | ataldis, http://imgur.com/qm46W7Z |
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| 21:56.30 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: you'll probably need to adapt the stuff in the above wiki link for jessie. there might also be a better guide. you don't want to have the preseed file get loaded dynamically at run time? |
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| 21:56.54 | unborn | markybob: spring 2017 is it when>? |
| 21:58.21 | markybob | unborn: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch#Before_the_release |
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| 21:58.48 | andril | markybob, 2017... |
| 21:59.16 | markybob | andril: correct |
| 21:59.31 | andril | damn so many changes till then |
| 21:59.44 | unborn | markybob: thanks, I mean I am currently very happy with current one, just.. you know its good to know :) |
| 21:59.50 | edju | I have flash 11,2,202,616. I tried updating it to .621 using update-flashplugin-nonfree --install, but it didn't update. I then uninstalled it, purged it and re-installed. Still, I get .616. Tried to download from Adobe's site but the "Download Now" button is not a link - "javascript: void 0" or something like that. Any advice appreciated. |
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| 22:01.11 | jmcnaught | edju: is "remove flash altogether" an option? |
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| 22:02.29 | edju | jmcnaught, A lot of news sites use it. Very few, if any, have html5. |
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| 22:02.35 | jmcnaught | edju: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=814316 seems to have some details |
| 22:02.36 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/814316 in flashplugin-nonfree (open): «New Flash player is available -- fixes a security issue»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-02-10; last modified: 2016-05-17. |
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| 22:03.17 | edju | lmcloughlin, Thanks. Will read. |
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| 22:03.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | edju, you can always download the .so yourself and put it in place of the old one |
| 22:03.59 | jmcnaught | edju: there's also this that uses pepperflash from chrome in firefox/iceweasel: https://wiki.debian.org/Freshplayerplugin |
| 22:04.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | edju, the installer depends on someone putting up the signature for the new version, which apparently hasnt happened |
| 22:04.31 | jmcnaught | edju: i haven't done it, just read the instructions carefully, you just need to install a package from jessie-backports (the compilation instructions are historical) |
| 22:04.35 | jhutchins | He's usally pretty good about keeping that up-to-date. |
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| 22:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 22:05.31 | unborn | markybob: any info about current release support? I mean when it will finish? |
| 22:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | someone asked yesterday and said --status shows a new version for some weeks now (a statement I cannot check for correctness) |
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| 22:06.20 | jmcnaught | unborn: Debian releases get support for one year after the next release, and some releases get additional LTS updates (but normally only server software is covered by LTS) |
| 22:06.24 | markybob | unborn: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ |
| 22:06.42 | jhutchins | Was there something about i386 backports being dropped? |
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| 22:07.47 | unborn | jmcnaught: markybob cheers guys.. that is great news! |
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| 22:08.58 | jmcnaught | jhutchins: not that i heard about, except maybe for that particular package because pepperflash is extracted from chrome which is only 64-bit now |
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| 22:10.10 | andril | you like ataldis |
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| 22:19.28 | ataldis | andril: nice clock there. :) |
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| 22:30.58 | edju | jmcnaught, Thanks again. installed pepperflash and it. so far, works. |
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| 22:31.47 | andril | :) |
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| 23:53.48 | chomwitt | i have 2 computers (debian 8 , ubuntu 16.04) with relatively new mobos+cpu but hibernation wont work without severe flaws. is that feature so difficult to implement? do u guys have better experience ? (only in a laptop of mine will work) |
| 23:54.33 | mutante | chomwitt: the "relatively new" part might actually a bad thing in this case |
| 23:55.01 | mutante | and yea, issues with hibernation are super common for some reason |
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| 23:55.25 | mutante | i think it's a combo of "hard" and bad hardware manufacturer docs |
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