| 00:00.03 | mrrhq | Honestly 7z, RAR and XZ are the best, though I don't like RAR because of their licencing. |
| 00:01.38 | mrrhq | Nothing open-source supports RAR5 yet, does it? |
| 00:01.47 | jmcnaught | awwal: most audio and video files are compressed already, so you'll most likely use a lot of electricity and time to get a very small amount of compression |
| 00:01.59 | awwal | p7zip is already installed here :) no clue manual or auto :D |
| 00:02.41 | awwal | jmcnaught, markybob, I have a lot of audio/video very old, from 1980/90 |
| 00:03.10 | mrrhq | Use p7zip-rar or unar if you want to support up to RAR3, I have no idea if 7z supports RAR5 yet. I doubt it. Never ran into one of those archives myself. |
| 00:04.17 | jmcnaught | awwal: what format are these files in? you may benefit more from reencoding them |
| 00:04.46 | markybob | awwal: jmcnaught has a great point |
| 00:04.54 | awwal | mp4 &avi and not sure what more |
| 00:04.59 | mrrhq | Ew, why would you ever want to re-encode video? |:^) |
| 00:05.07 | mrrhq | Dat lossy compression. |
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| 00:05.41 | awwal | probably using ffmpeg/avconv to change formats is better |
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| 00:05.45 | awwal | no clue |
| 00:06.13 | markybob | because you can get a file down from 2gb to 350mb depending on the format with limited loss |
| 00:06.52 | mrrhq | H.264 should offer the best quality/compression ratio. |
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| 00:06.53 | jmcnaught | awwal: it's true that every time you reencode audio or video there is some generation loss (like photocopies of photocopies, or VHS to VHS), but i don't think you'll get much compression even of avi files with 90s codecs |
| 00:06.53 | awwal | better the mkv? |
| 00:07.10 | mrrhq | MKV is the container, H.264 is a video codec. |
| 00:07.45 | mrrhq | I do like MKV better than AVi though. Embedded subtitles support. :) |
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| 00:08.41 | awwal | hm, there you see, not clue about all that :P |
| 00:09.13 | mrrhq | Eventually as a geek you learn these things. |
| 00:09.41 | jmcnaught | awwal: you'll probably need to experiment a bit to see what works best for you. you could take a single AVI file and try compressing it with gzip, xz, bzip2 etc and see how much space you save. You might also like Handbrake for doing reencoding of the videos |
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| 00:10.13 | markybob | awwal: fyi handbrake is really easy to use |
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| 00:10.59 | ataldis | markybob: definitely is... you just pull the lever and the car stays where he is. :) |
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| 00:11.58 | mrrhq | Every time I've compressed something, by default settings, XZ always seems to win. |
| 00:12.16 | mrrhq | It's too gud. |
| 00:13.07 | mrrhq | I even notice how big it gets when I decompress files. |
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| 00:13.59 | awwal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:19.51 | jmcnaught | awwal: so i just used "xz -z blah.avi" to compress a 349 MB AVI/divx file. It took 2m38s and the result is a 346MB file. |
| 00:20.32 | awwal | jmcnaught, hehehe |
| 00:20.34 | jmcnaught | awwal: not really worth it, especially when you then have to decompress the files to view them |
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| 00:20.57 | awwal | jmcnaught, that was what I was going to ask. |
| 00:20.57 | mrrhq | I think XZ works better when there are many multiple files anyway. |
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| 00:21.20 | mrrhq | I think 7z will not be much different, but it will compress faster. |
| 00:21.31 | awwal | I was going to ask if there is any audio/video player able to play those compressed files without decompressing them first |
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| 00:22.00 | markybob | well like we said video is already compressed so much |
| 00:22.27 | markybob | you could try webm. i don't know. |
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| 00:22.35 | andril | hello |
| 00:22.36 | mrrhq | I don't think so, it's hav eot have support for the related archive libraries. |
| 00:22.36 | jmcnaught | awwal: maybe something like mpv can play from stdin and you could pipe xzcat to it, but reencoding (or doing nothing) probably your best bet |
| 00:22.55 | andril | has anyone built a package for Budgie ? |
| 00:22.56 | mrrhq | *it'd have to have support for [...] |
| 00:23.30 | awwal | markybob, jmcnaught, mrrhq, ok, got you :) |
| 00:23.59 | awwal | I have another quetion for tonight: How I can check if my laptop have radio card? I don't know how to call it, but I mean if my machine is able to run radio software (such as 'radio', gnome-radio, kradio') and capt real radio stations |
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| 00:24.19 | mrrhq | jmcnaught: xzcat sounds like a cool, sadistic idea. |
| 00:25.35 | jmcnaught | andril: there are probably some RFP or ITP bugs for it if you look at https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ |
| 00:26.10 | awwal | asking bcoz I was asked several times here why 'radio', 'kradio' and 'gnome-radio' complains about /dev/radio0 not existing, and yes radio0 directory doesn't exist in my /dev but it seems that the problem isn't those pkgs but its bcoz my machine haven't support for 'real raio' |
| 00:26.28 | awwal | I have asked ^ |
| 00:26.32 | andril | thanks jmcnaught way over my head |
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| 00:27.30 | andril | just enjoying the goodness like ataldis suggested :) |
| 00:27.31 | mrrhq | Yeah, people can request packages, but it always takes someone to maintain them. :p |
| 00:28.24 | andril | i know i need Lollypop updated |
| 00:29.06 | awwal | my question is some how discussed here |
| 00:29.10 | awwal | https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-439075-start-0.html |
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| 00:33.37 | jmcnaught | andril: RFP is "request for packaging" and ITP is "intent to package". these are two types of bugs used in Debian to request something get packaged, or signal to others that you're working on packaging something |
| 00:35.34 | markybob | it'd be so nice if #812218 got fixed. already to 1.1.0 :/ |
| 00:35.35 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/812218 in libtorrent-rasterbar8 (open): «libtorrent-rasterbar8: update to upstream 1.0.8 release»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-01-21; last modified: 2016-01-21. |
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| 00:44.08 | axc1298 | if i install browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash for firefox do i need to also install pepperflashplugin-nonfree? |
| 00:44.13 | axc1298 | or can i do without it |
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| 00:44.47 | Nabuco | hello |
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| 00:46.48 | markybob | axc1298: you were already told about flash support in 32-bit. multiple times. |
| 00:47.03 | XndrK | I'm trying to link up my printer to my laptop over a USB connection through cups, but it's telling me that it needs a URL, which I don't know how to find. |
| 00:47.47 | axc1298 | markybob: and i already told you i have both i386 and amd64 systems. i am asking for amd64 |
| 00:48.04 | axc1298 | i purged flash on the 32 bit machines already |
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| 00:48.39 | axc1298 | so, my question stands |
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| 00:49.19 | Saar | let it stand |
| 00:49.24 | awwal | axc1298, yes, freshplayer wrapper needs pepperflash |
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| 00:50.04 | axc1298 | awwal: thanks |
| 00:50.33 | XndrK | Any ideas? |
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| 00:58.25 | r3m | ,v nodejs |
| 00:58.26 | judd | Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.3.1~dfsg-3; sid: 4.4.3~dfsg-1; experimental: 6.0.0~dfsg-1 |
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| 01:23.24 | awwal | Can I install linux amd64 arch and have the whole system pkgs i386 and boot with amd kernel and all will work just fine? |
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| 01:24.38 | jordanm | awwal: you can run an amd64 kernel with i386 pkgs in debian, but you need to use the i386 installer and install the amd64 kernel after installation |
| 01:25.02 | jordanm | awwal: that's what I did on my machine until stupid minecraft needed more than 3GB of RAM in a single process :/ |
| 01:25.28 | jordanm | awwal: you will still have that per-process memory limitation |
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| 01:25.56 | awwal | jordanm, I already have an i386 system with pae kernel. so if I install linux-image-amd64 and boot with it all fine, eh? |
| 01:26.15 | jordanm | awwal: should be |
| 01:26.35 | jordanm | don't uninstall the pae kernel just in case |
| 01:26.50 | awwal | sure |
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| 01:27.05 | awwal | my final goal is install chromium amd64 |
| 01:27.15 | awwal | dont know if thats what i sould do |
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| 01:29.11 | awwal | dont know if after installing linux-image-amd64 I will be then able to install chromium amd64 |
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| 01:52.35 | awwal | jordanm, your amd64 kernel and the i386 one coexist just fine even after upgrades? |
| 01:53.06 | jordanm | awwal: yeah |
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| 01:53.46 | awwal | jordanm, good. I'm trying thing in my jessie VM |
| 01:53.52 | awwal | things ^ |
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| 02:18.45 | k_sze[work] | Is there a way to tell why my machine rebooted? |
| 02:19.28 | awwal | all fine installing (in my jessie VM) linux-image-amd64, linux-headers-amd64 and chromium:amd64 but pepperflash uninstalable because of binutils and binutils:amd64 conflicts. apt/aptitude/dpkg have gave up :P |
| 02:19.45 | jmcnaught | k_sze[work]: you could check in the syslog for the last messages before the reboot. Or if you have persistent journald you can use "journalctl -b -1 -n" to see the last few messages of the previous boot |
| 02:22.57 | k_sze[work] | Thanks. |
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| 02:25.54 | vassago | anyone in here familiar with the program "aide"? |
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| 02:29.14 | zRecursive | Are there any commands as `netsh wlan set hostednetwork mode=allow ssid=Test key=0123456789` in windows to make Debian/Ubuntu box to act as WIFI hotspot ? |
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| 02:31.02 | AlexLikeRock | help |
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| 02:31.13 | AlexLikeRock | by RAW |
| 02:31.25 | AlexLikeRock | gwet ....debian.org/ ..... |
| 02:31.27 | AlexLikeRock | i go it |
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| 02:31.37 | Igel | the hell |
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| 02:42.20 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: did you some how remove dpkg? |
| 02:42.40 | AlexLikeRock | yes, i do by error |
| 02:42.46 | AlexLikeRock | i need instal |
| 02:42.48 | AlexLikeRock | :-P |
| 02:43.11 | AlexLikeRock | im lookin extracc tar ".xz" |
| 02:43.49 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: first please tell us the exact URL that you downloaded. it should be a .deb file |
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| 02:44.03 | AlexLikeRock | no |
| 02:44.14 | AlexLikeRock | it tar. by debian.org |
| 02:44.29 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: the full URL please. |
| 02:44.43 | AlexLikeRock | http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.17.26.tar.xz |
| 02:44.52 | darkblue_b | hi - if I want to take the dependency chain *in code* .. for example in python, any recommendations |
| 02:45.07 | darkblue_b | ... for packages |
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| 02:45.23 | darkblue_b | I have logged into UDD and can do SQL |
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| 02:46.09 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: this is the source code for dpkg. This archive has instructions for compiling, but this is probably the more difficult way to do this. |
| 02:46.29 | AlexLikeRock | tar -xvJ -C dpkg_1.17.26.tar.xz /bin |
| 02:46.38 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: no! |
| 02:46.46 | AlexLikeRock | mmmm |
| 02:46.56 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: extract it into a temp directory, look at it before you copy it all over your /bin |
| 02:47.03 | AlexLikeRock | ok, let mi donload. by .DEB |
| 02:47.08 | darkblue_b | hm tar will figure out the compression for you .. |
| 02:47.29 | darkblue_b | .. just say xtract file |
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| 02:47.48 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: even with dpkg missing you might be able to use "apt-get download dpkg" to fetch the .deb file |
| 02:47.50 | AlexLikeRock | done |
| 02:47.52 | AlexLikeRock | wget http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg-dev_1.17.27_all.deb |
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| 02:48.06 | AlexLikeRock | now? |
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| 02:48.26 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: that is the dpkg-dev package, not the dpkg package |
| 02:48.35 | AlexLikeRock | DAM !!!! |
| 02:48.36 | AlexLikeRock | ok |
| 02:48.56 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: try "apt-get download dpkg" |
| 02:49.27 | AlexLikeRock | wget http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.17.26_i386.deb |
| 02:49.30 | AlexLikeRock | done |
| 02:49.39 | AlexLikeRock | now what ? |
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| 02:50.29 | AlexLikeRock | jmcnaught, |
| 02:50.55 | AlexLikeRock | jmcnaught, |
| 02:51.05 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: next, in a temp directory do "unar dpkg_1.17.26_i386.deb" |
| 02:51.11 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: calm down please :) |
| 02:51.41 | AlexLikeRock | unrar dpkg_1.17.26_i386.deb |
| 02:51.42 | AlexLikeRock | -bash: unrar: command not found |
| 02:51.54 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: unar is not the same as unrar |
| 02:52.27 | AlexLikeRock | LOL |
| 02:52.48 | AlexLikeRock | dpkg_1.17.26_i386.deb: Ar |
| 02:52.59 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.59 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.06 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.06 | AlexLikeRock | Successfully extracted to "dpkg_1.17.26_i386". |
| 02:53.09 | AlexLikeRock | . |
| 02:53.10 | AlexLikeRock | ok |
| 02:53.34 | jercos | til unrar opens ar archives. good to know :D |
| 02:53.46 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: don't forget to use paste.debian.net if it's more than a couple of lines :) |
| 02:53.54 | jercos | ...I've never had to extract a debian package on a system without "ar" installed, but hey. |
| 02:54.35 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: next you run "tar zxvf data.tar.gz -C /" here the '-C /' part says to extract it to the root directory |
| 02:55.00 | jercos | mixing gnu and bsd style options? ergh. |
| 02:55.24 | AlexLikeRock | GNU rules ! |
| 02:55.37 | AlexLikeRock | i reemplace / with /bin |
| 02:55.40 | AlexLikeRock | rigth ? |
| 02:55.42 | jercos | nope |
| 02:55.47 | AlexLikeRock | O-O |
| 02:55.48 | jercos | data.tar.gz includes the "bin" part |
| 02:55.56 | jercos | it's meant to be extracted into the root of the filesystem |
| 02:55.57 | AlexLikeRock | oooooooooooooooooooooooooh |
| 02:56.02 | jercos | dpkg has more parts than just the dpkg binary |
| 02:56.02 | dpkg | jercos: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 02:56.08 | AlexLikeRock | all rigth |
| 02:56.19 | darkblue_b | heh |
| 02:57.03 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: it's a lot easier to help you when you don't second guess the commands i provide ;) |
| 02:57.33 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: once you extract that data.tar.gz to the / directory, you should probably run "apt-get --reinstall install dpkg" for good measure |
| 02:58.10 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 02:58.14 | AlexLikeRock | extract DONE |
| 02:59.22 | AlexLikeRock | reinstall DONE |
| 02:59.27 | AlexLikeRock | Setting up dpkg (1.17.26) ... |
| 02:59.28 | AlexLikeRock | # |
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| 03:02.11 | AlexLikeRock | done dude ! |
| 03:02.20 | AlexLikeRock | ints intaled |
| 03:02.28 | AlexLikeRock | i install GNUGO |
| 03:02.39 | AlexLikeRock | tanks so much |
| 03:03.01 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:06.48 | darkblue_b | thinking Build-Depends graph from code |
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| 03:10.19 | jmcnaught | darkblue_b: there are python modules for apt like python3-apt for example |
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| 03:11.35 | jmcnaught | AlexLikeRock: nice, glad you got it resolved. |
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| 03:11.49 | mjmo | hi guys |
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| 03:12.00 | AlexLikeRock | cool, youar grate , as allwys |
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| 03:12.15 | mjmo | my cron-apt doesnt upgrade packages automatically |
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| 03:12.42 | mjmo | it just download packages and put them there |
| 03:13.23 | mjmo | when i tried to upgrade, i noticed all packages have been downloaded, but not installed |
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| 03:13.41 | avis | can anyone tell me how to enable UNIX actually but usable on debian fortune cookies for everytime i open a terminal session. |
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| 03:15.10 | jmcnaught | mjmo: i'm not that familiar with cron-apt, but doesn't it also email you if there's something to install? You could also check out unattended-upgrades. Or what I do, subscribe to the DSA list and do it manually when there's a security announcement |
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| 03:16.11 | somiaj | avis: you want to see fortuen cookies on non-login shells as well? |
| 03:16.29 | mjmo | jmcnaught: i used to add an cron job manually |
| 03:16.39 | mjmo | apt-get dist-upgrade -y |
| 03:16.56 | mjmo | it doesnt install anything neither |
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| 03:17.27 | SQL | I'm in an environment where I'm managing more and more Debian (mostly - about 8) / Ubuntu (about 2) servers. Managing logins / configs / etc is getting to be a pain. Is there a decent, easy-to-learn solution for both of these problems in one go? |
| 03:17.38 | mjmo | i intend to let the servers themselves upgrade automatically |
| 03:18.02 | jmcnaught | mjmo: doing "apt-get dist-upgrade -y" is kinda scary, it could remove packages or install new ones. especially dangerous if non-Debian repos are used |
| 03:18.36 | mjmo | jmcnaught: im using only debian stretch repos |
| 03:19.10 | jmcnaught | SQL: ansible, puppet or something like one of those. maybe also ldap for accounts |
| 03:19.24 | somiaj | SQL: puppet springs to mind if you want to be able to manage multiple installs from a single source. |
| 03:19.32 | mjmo | i dont understand.. since i added -y parameter, why doesnt it install anything |
| 03:19.58 | SQL | somiaj: Yeah, looked at puppet - tbh it looks more complicated than I have time for right now unfortunately |
| 03:20.22 | jmcnaught | mjmo: oh then that is also reckless. sometimes packages are removed on testing, you want to control that manually not just let it happen in the background with no oversight |
| 03:20.29 | SQL | Might give Ansible a try to |
| 03:20.31 | SQL | thanks! |
| 03:20.32 | somiaj | mjmo: I wouldn't suggest running unattended upgrades in stretch. |
| 03:20.55 | mjmo | emmm |
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| 03:21.46 | mjmo | okay, since it doesnt seem to install updates automatically, i might just leave it there.. |
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| 03:22.05 | somiaj | mjmo: you ahve to apt-get update your database to get new pacakges |
| 03:22.28 | mjmo | somiaj: yes, i do that before upgrade |
| 03:23.02 | jmcnaught | mjmo: i would leave it at letting cron-apt download the updates and emailing you about it. then you have control over the upgrade process |
| 03:23.08 | mjmo | manually do apt-get dist-upgrade -y works just fine |
| 03:23.42 | jmcnaught | mjmo: also stop using "-y" with dist-upgrade on stretch. you want the chance to say no if it's going to remove stuff you want to keep (which can and does happen) |
| 03:23.44 | mjmo | jmcnaught: okay, i will check its email settigns |
| 03:23.48 | avis | somiaj, only fortune cookies on login shells inclusive of my mate login even if i don't see the fortune. |
| 03:24.18 | avis | somiaj, possibly also inclusive if possible on every superuser activation |
| 03:24.20 | mjmo | jmcnaught: i removed the -y cron job |
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| 03:24.39 | somiaj | avis: And you want to see them on non-login too? Did you enable them yourself? |
| 03:24.40 | jmcnaught | mjmo: don't even use "-y" manually on the command line, it's foolish |
| 03:24.49 | mjmo | haha |
| 03:24.51 | mjmo | yea |
| 03:25.00 | avis | somiaj, i'm not sure how to enable em. can you help an old man ? |
| 03:25.09 | somiaj | avis: if youa re using bash, man bash and notice the different config files it reads on login vs non-login shells, then add the command to output a fortune cookie in the appropriate place. |
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| 03:26.11 | somiaj | avis: this will be $HOME/.bashrc and $HOME/.bash_profile (as for becoming superuser, do the same for roots config file, note "su" by itself won't invoke a new enviorment, you may have to do "su -" when becoming root |
| 03:27.12 | somiaj | avis: and I belive the command you want to add is just 'fortune' -- try it from a shell, see if it outputs what you are expecting |
| 03:27.49 | avis | thank you somiaj and thank you debian |
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| 04:44.08 | AlexLikeRock | Apt-get hangs on âSetting up mysql-server-5.5 (5.5.47-0+deb8u1)" ... |
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| 04:47.43 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: Is it still hanging? Or did you stop it? |
| 04:47.54 | AlexLikeRock | still |
| 04:48.04 | AlexLikeRock | i open new terminal |
| 04:48.13 | AlexLikeRock | try to conecct by SSH |
| 04:48.13 | AlexLikeRock | . |
| 04:48.16 | somiaj | this just a regular upgrade or doing a wheezy->jessie upgrade? |
| 04:48.30 | AlexLikeRock | ssh: connect to host 200.xx.xx.xxx port 22: Connection refused |
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| 04:49.02 | AlexLikeRock | this just a regular install MYSQL-SERVER |
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| 04:49.47 | AlexLikeRock | take a look |
| 04:49.48 | AlexLikeRock | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/222129/apt-get-hangs-on-setting-up-mysql-server-5-5-5-5-44-0deb8u1 |
| 04:50.04 | AlexLikeRock | " I had waited maybe 15-30 minutes, " |
| 04:50.07 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: what was that ssh error? I'm unsure what could be causing the hang |
| 04:50.10 | AlexLikeRock | realy !!?!?!??! |
| 04:50.35 | AlexLikeRock | ok. how to reboot ? |
| 04:50.46 | AlexLikeRock | SSH are death ? |
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| 04:51.48 | AlexLikeRock | i got a answer : |
| 04:51.59 | somiaj | were you doing the upgrade over ssh? |
| 04:52.03 | AlexLikeRock | packet_write_wait: Connection to 200.92.55.182: Broken pipe |
| 04:52.03 | AlexLikeRock | user@machine:~$ |
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| 04:52.12 | AlexLikeRock | DAM! |
| 04:52.28 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 04:52.32 | AlexLikeRock | somiaj, |
| 04:52.52 | AlexLikeRock | im death ! |
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| 05:23.39 | rhizome | do i understand correctly that one of pulseaudio or alsa is necessary to play more than one source at a time? |
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| 05:37.21 | somiaj | rhizome: not quite. Alsa is the standard sound driver system in the kernel (it is rare anyone uses oss4). Alsa does have a dmix plugin that supports hardware mixing but it sometimes needs to be configured to work with some sound cards. |
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| 05:38.42 | somiaj | rhizome: pulseaudio is a sound server on top of alsa that can do lots of things beyond hardware mixing such as switching between sound cards, and other features (i don't use it myself) |
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| 05:58.41 | pinnacle666 | Ubuntu gives me a new BASE every day. |
| 05:58.49 | pinnacle666 | Is Debian so good with its updates? |
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| 06:00.45 | somiaj | pinnacle666: debian stable is only upgraded about once every 2-3 years. And then there is a year period in which debian supports both oldstable and the new stable so you can read about the upgrade process and preform it when you have time and have read though the known issues. |
| 06:01.44 | somiaj | pinnacle666: debian stable is a mostly frozen system. It only recives security and grave bug fixes, but software is frozen to avoid changing things. |
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| 06:02.21 | pinnacle666 | My Ubuntu BASE gets updated basically daily. |
| 06:02.26 | pinnacle666 | I think that's pretty impressive. |
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| 06:02.38 | pinnacle666 | Just minor updates, but it tells me the programmers are hard at work. |
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| 06:02.59 | polyzen | workworkwork |
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| 06:04.21 | somiaj | pinnacle666: debian and ubuntu have different polices on what is considered a release. |
| 06:04.47 | pinnacle666 | I use the LTS Ubuntu but I get an update almost daily. |
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| 06:04.52 | pinnacle666 | Isn't that impressive? |
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| 06:05.19 | pinnacle666 | They're constantly patching the software. In a week I get about 5 updates. |
| 06:06.01 | somiaj | pinnacle666: This is a debian channel, do you have a question about debian? I was explaining how debian deals with updates in stable. But continuing on about ubuntu is off-topic here. |
| 06:06.43 | pinnacle666 | The Ubuntu distro is serving me well. I wonder what more Debian could offer me. |
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| 06:09.03 | DuClare | I'm trying to do a netinstall from usb media. The installer keeps asking for cd rom and can't find one |
| 06:09.09 | DuClare | How do I install debian? |
| 06:09.23 | somiaj | pinnacle666: if you are happy with ubuntu then I would suggest stick wiht it. As for debian, it will do things differently, some of which I tried to explain. |
| 06:09.48 | somiaj | DuClare: how did you create the usb image you are using (what software in paticualr) |
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| 06:10.11 | greyeax | hi i was wondering if someone could help me with python-virtualenv |
| 06:10.16 | greyeax | i installed the package on debian |
| 06:10.20 | DuClare | somiaj: dd if=/home/duclare/Downloads/debian-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M |
| 06:10.23 | greyeax | but it says command not found |
| 06:10.33 | Wulf | greyeax: what command? |
| 06:10.47 | greyeax | Wulf: virtualenv |
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| 06:10.57 | greyeax | it should be installed with the package python-virtualenv |
| 06:10.59 | somiaj | greyeax: could it be the command is in /usr/sbin and you need to run it as root? |
| 06:11.04 | Wulf | greyeax: usr/bin/virtualenv python/virtualenv |
| 06:11.09 | greyeax | somiaj: i don't believe so? |
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| 06:11.33 | Wulf | greyeax: packages named python-foo usually only consist of a lib named foo |
| 06:11.38 | greyeax | Wulf: strange, mlocate says it's missing |
| 06:11.57 | greyeax | Wulf: really? a tutorial im follwing just says to install it. any ideas on what i should do if that's the case though? |
| 06:12.11 | Wulf | greyeax: install virtualenv |
| 06:12.32 | greyeax | Wulf: no such packag |
| 06:12.36 | greyeax | package, apparently |
| 06:12.55 | Wulf | greyeax: what debian release? |
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| 06:13.58 | greyeax | jessie |
| 06:14.17 | Wulf | greyeax: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=virtualenv |
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| 06:14.24 | Wulf | greyeax: you see the "jessie" too, right? |
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| 06:15.34 | greyeax | wulf: yes? |
| 06:15.38 | greyeax | also i think i *may* have found it |
| 06:15.41 | Vainglory | greyeax: you're wanting python-virtualenv ? |
| 06:15.46 | greyeax | Vainglory: yes |
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| 06:15.56 | Vainglory | just 'virtualenv' will be the one you want |
| 06:16.06 | Wulf | Vainglory: is what I told them already |
| 06:16.11 | greyeax | i found virtualenv.py in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ |
| 06:16.11 | greyeax | i tried that but apparently that package doesnt exist |
| 06:16.13 | greyeax | strange |
| 06:16.19 | greyeax | maybe i need to do an update? |
| 06:16.20 | Vainglory | greyeax: not the same thing |
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| 06:16.28 | Wulf | greyeax: apt-get install virtualenv |
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| 06:17.12 | greyeax | is it possible it's because i'm on arm? |
| 06:17.28 | greyeax | it says it's in all architectures tho |
| 06:17.32 | greyeax | *though |
| 06:17.51 | greyeax | welp doing the upgrade did it i guess lol |
| 06:17.57 | greyeax | apt-get install virtualenv worked this time |
| 06:18.07 | greyeax | and the command is working now :p |
| 06:18.17 | greyeax | thanks for the help though :) |
| 06:18.18 | Wulf | excellent! |
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| 06:24.52 | Vaik5eij | Uhm hello. Having two media drives (one ssd, one hdd) installed. on the ssd win installed on the hdd debian. but from debian cant see the ssd drive, neither the grub cant find the win installation. tips to solve this please ? |
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| 06:33.10 | somiaj | Vaik5eij: are you sure debian can't see the ssd drive? Have you install os-prober and see if that will add a boot entry for windows? |
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| 06:40.43 | Vaik5eij | Vaik5eij: nope have no os-prober will try it thanks |
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| 06:48.06 | Vaik5eij | somiaj: os-prober detects nothing, neither I cant see any mount points |
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| 06:49.43 | somiaj | Vaik5eij: Do you know if windows was using efi or legacy boot? What about debian, what boot method? |
| 06:50.43 | somiaj | Vaik5eij: I would check 'dmesg' to see what actual drives the kernel checked |
| 06:50.56 | somiaj | Vaik5eij: maybe 'dmesg | grep sd' |
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| 06:53.17 | unborn | Vaik5eij: can bios see that ssd? |
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| 06:58.32 | Vaik5eij | unborn: yup bios can see all drive, sometimes cant but restart fixes bioos things |
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| 07:01.24 | unborn | Vaik5eij: sometimes? I would get new ssd than.. there are two possible things. Your bios does not really like the ssd type you have in or the ssd is dyeing, but thats odd, ssd usually die very quickly, just like click and its dead, no warnings or errors so perhaps ssd is okay but your bios is obsolete and does not really like ssd you have it in. |
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| 07:02.47 | rhizome | is there a way to hard-wire an alsa card ID? mine keeps changing on reboot |
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| 07:02.58 | Vaik5eij | unborn: thats not a problem ssd can die it has win on it lol.. as long as debian fine |
| 07:03.13 | unborn | Vaik5eij: I am currently running ssd everywhere but I had some issues with toshiba laptop - but older git from 2012.. I had to update bios to latest version issued in 2013 meh after bios update it worked as it supposed |
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| 07:04.37 | unborn | Vaik5eij: check your bios for updates coz seeing ssd in bios and sometimes not, is bad. just thinking.. what brand of ssd is that? |
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| 07:06.07 | unborn | Vaik5eij: ive seen many times issues with sandisk cheaper version is not compatible with amd - keeps freezing or killing the ssd - I think ive seen it on amazon reviews.. |
| 07:07.21 | Vaik5eij | unborn: idk the brand im not the person who mounted it. btw correcting myself when I boot into win(ssd) and then lets say restart enter into BIOS cant see the HDD(toshiba) then a restart and everything gets detected, and this goes aswell when I go into debian then restart then bios etc... |
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| 07:07.31 | unborn | ...or it was motherboard? I dont remember correctly |
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| 07:11.05 | unborn | Vaik5eij: yeah that is not okay. try to update bios or ssd firmware.. if that is samsung or other brand aka seagate etc. that is possible what is giving you headache...if that would not work for you then could be that your mobo is not compatible with ssd. ssd should just work normally every time you reboot, no matter what is on it win, linux anything, it should just work |
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| 07:16.22 | Vaik5eij | unborn: its a company pc btw so im not gonna mess around with bios update thingies just wanted to make sure there's an easy way to fix this but seems like nope. tbh i dont necessarily need windows partition |
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| 07:18.34 | unborn | Vaik5eij: its usually easy but that behaviour of your ssd suggest that its not os issue at all. you may ask your companys ict guys to get it up to date with bios and mobo stuff |
| 07:18.42 | unborn | that would be easiest ^^ |
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| 07:21.29 | Vaik5eij | unborn: yup will try that later on ^^ thanks |
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| 08:10.22 | k_sze[work] | Anybody knows if it's possible to make @reboot jobs work in a chrooted cron? |
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| 08:12.08 | jmcnaught | k_sze[work]: that's a good question. i don't know, but i'm assuming no because chroots don't typically (or ever?) run their own init |
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| 08:12.32 | jmcnaught | k_sze[work]: probably a lot more straight forward to do with a container using systemd-nspawn or LXC |
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| 08:16.05 | k_sze[work] | I would probably be happy if I can get something to the effect of "whenever cron itself is started". |
| 08:17.07 | jmcnaught | k_sze[work]: or just have cron run a script that enters the chroot |
| 08:17.09 | k_sze[work] | Because I have an easy way to start the chrooted cron service, but that method simply doesn't trigger the @reboot jobs. |
| 08:17.24 | k_sze[work] | hmm, maybe. |
| 08:17.38 | dunaeth | Hi, I use both local nameserver (bind) and zeroconf and I'd like to search .local domains without any suffix, any idea to do so ? |
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| 08:22.37 | ByteStorm | guys can you giv a weblink to a wifi adapter for linux??? |
| 08:23.24 | jmcnaught | ByteStorm: there's this https://h-node.org/wifi/catalogue/en |
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| 08:25.12 | vlt | +can |
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| 08:33.11 | Arthur_D2 | hi, I upgraded Debian 7 to 8 on a server, and I'd like to have verbose logging for journalctl. Curerntøy |
| 08:33.21 | Arthur_D2 | sorry, hit Enter too early |
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| 09:01.03 | breakfast_ | so when you cd .. as far as you can and you see the directories etc bin and others |
| 09:01.12 | breakfast_ | you are in the root directory, no? |
| 09:02.15 | breakfast_ | why does gaining total control over the computer have the name becoming root? |
| 09:04.21 | breakfast_ | so |
| 09:04.34 | breakfast_ | when i look in the bin directory |
| 09:04.51 | breakfast_ | there are elf files that seemed to be named after shell commands |
| 09:04.56 | alta23 | hello |
| 09:05.04 | breakfast_ | what are elf files and why are they in the bin directory |
| 09:05.17 | breakfast_ | hello alta |
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| 09:05.27 | alta23 | does anyone know where can i find the VPNCoin/BitNet team?, IRC, email, anything |
| 09:05.47 | breakfast_ | i dont, sorry |
| 09:05.54 | breakfast_ | im not sure that anyone is actually here |
| 09:06.15 | alta23 | should GitHub contain email address somewhere? in general |
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| 09:06.33 | breakfast_ | sometimes |
| 09:06.37 | breakfast_ | not as a rule though |
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| 09:06.57 | alta23 | ok, thank you |
| 09:07.01 | alta23 | have a nice day |
| 09:07.27 | breakfast_ | thanks |
| 09:07.41 | tinyhippo | I have a partially complete debian 8.4 installation, which is configured with software raid5, but I can't install GRUB as it fails on /dev/mapper - I also get warnings about the server being configured to boot via EFI, what should my next steps be |
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| 09:08.46 | aborrero | tinyhippo: I don't understand why grub fails to install |
| 09:09.52 | tinyhippo | aborrero: all it says is grub-install /dev/mapper failed |
| 09:10.09 | tinyhippo | when I try to install it to /dev/sdb |
| 09:10.28 | aborrero | you could switch to tty2 or something and try to see which error is happening |
| 09:10.54 | tinyhippo | ah |
| 09:10.56 | tinyhippo | yes |
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| 09:13.28 | venkat_330 | Is it possible run only signed applications under debian |
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| 09:15.08 | venkat_330 | Allowing Only Signed Application to Run |
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| 09:17.03 | breakfast_ | i dont think so venkat_330 |
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| 09:17.15 | breakfast_ | that is an apple esque thing to do |
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| 09:18.37 | venkat_330 | breakfast_: Oh ok. Basically i am looking for some simple white listing option in linux. so that i can decide which app to run and which not to |
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| 09:19.30 | breakfast_ | venkat_330: i am not a debian expert like other people in here so be warned. but as far as i know if you stick to the common repositories you should be fine |
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| 09:19.50 | breakfast_ | default repos |
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| 09:38.51 | Vaik5eij | lxde related question, running gtk app on vt8 and if I try to mount usb multiple times from there it just gets an error "not authorized" and doesnt mount, from vt7 I can mount usb multiple times without problem |
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| 09:44.08 | malachi | shot in the dark: udev rules perhaps? |
| 09:44.08 | cluelessperson | When I use nautilus to mount an SFTP share, and when I open a file with VLC, VLC attempts to stream it over SFTP and askes for credentials |
| 09:44.34 | cluelessperson | It's SUPPOSED to mount the share, and read it as a file, already using the credentials, how do I fix this so it opens VLC on a read file rather than stream? |
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| 09:56.41 | FaTony | hi, I'm trying to build a package but during make install I get: cp: './Include/ftz/Console' and '/usr/local/include/ftz/Console' are the same file |
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| 09:57.41 | FaTony | makefile has the following line: cp -r ./Include/* /usr/local/include |
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| 09:59.52 | vlt | venkat_330: I think you could set a non-exec flag to your file system for /home/ to prevent software being run from there. |
| 10:00.52 | Ingvix | I'm configuring nfs share but I'm not quite sure what hostname am I suppose to put in /etc/exports. The client's IP or the server IP or what? |
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| 10:08.20 | Ingvix | I'm getting the idea that it should be the client's ip but what if my client doensn't have static IP? |
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| 10:18.41 | mazert | hello, i have a raid1 système on my computer, and with grub I have an error 17. How i can fix it ? thanks in advance |
| 10:19.16 | bazhang_ | #grub mazert |
| 10:19.33 | mazert | bazhang_: ok thx |
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| 10:22.03 | superlinux | hi. my laptop runs choppy.. like the mouse stops responding and it resumes.. does anyone here has a solution to this issue? |
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| 10:23.39 | bazhang_ | superlinux, runs choppy doing what, how much ram what video card, which driver and from where |
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| 10:24.54 | superlinux | bazhang_, ok good. choppy generally.. it has nothing to do with video. it recurs very often. |
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| 10:25.08 | superlinux | now it happened as I type |
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| 10:25.23 | superlinux | or.. while typing to you |
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| 10:26.47 | superlinux | I have 4GB x 2 (8GB in total) of RAM |
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| 10:27.49 | superlinux | and ATI card Radeon 2GB HD 6400M/7400M Series |
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| 10:28.17 | superlinux | and I am using the proprietary driver |
| 10:28.33 | bazhang_ | fglrx? |
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| 10:29.10 | superlinux | bazhang_, yes the fglrx |
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| 10:29.37 | bazhang_ | superlinux, the oss one works a treat these days |
| 10:30.00 | superlinux | kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64 , debian jessie |
| 10:30.11 | superlinux | ok.. i'll try |
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| 10:30.59 | superlinux | cos the general interfacing is choppy.. stops -resumesstops -resumes -stops -resumes |
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| 10:31.17 | superlinux | brb, i'll try. |
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| 10:58.53 | ByteStorm | guys what does this line do:- systemctl status $vlc | grep -m 1 Active |awk '{print $2}' |
| 10:59.07 | John[Lisbeth] | $vlc is an environment variable |
| 10:59.20 | ByteStorm | isnt vlc the app? |
| 10:59.23 | John[Lisbeth] | you can see what it is set to with echo "$vlc" |
| 10:59.32 | ByteStorm | ok |
| 10:59.46 | John[Lisbeth] | grep takes the output of the previous command and formats it |
| 10:59.53 | John[Lisbeth] | to find out what the -m option does in grep you can type man grep |
| 11:00.11 | John[Lisbeth] | same with awk |
| 11:00.15 | ByteStorm | ok |
| 11:00.42 | John[Lisbeth] | oh lol I thought I was in #emacs |
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| 11:00.51 | John[Lisbeth] | I was like what a strange question |
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| 11:01.02 | ByteStorm | no actually i want to make a script tht restarts my computer every 24 hrs....and start some apps tht i run... |
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| 11:02.06 | John[Lisbeth] | your window manager may do this |
| 11:02.12 | ByteStorm | ok |
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| 11:02.31 | John[Lisbeth] | One really say way is just to use the sleep command and set it to 24 hours |
| 11:02.43 | ByteStorm | but i may want to in future use this script in another computer of mine tht doesnt hav a GUI system |
| 11:03.34 | ByteStorm | but how do i start the custom apps when starting up??? |
| 11:03.38 | John[Lisbeth] | try the command sleep 2s |
| 11:03.44 | ByteStorm | ok |
| 11:03.49 | John[Lisbeth] | you can just as well to sleep 1d |
| 11:04.01 | John[Lisbeth] | and then on the next line you write shutdown or reboot 0 |
| 11:04.03 | John[Lisbeth] | one of those should work in debian |
| 11:04.13 | ByteStorm | yeah...reboot does |
| 11:05.13 | John[Lisbeth] | perhaps you could put something like sleep 1d; reboot in your .bashrc so it would work in your terminal as well |
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| 11:06.39 | ByteStorm | srry my dad called |
| 11:06.50 | John[Lisbeth] | no worries |
| 11:07.14 | ByteStorm | so when my computer starts up,is there a way to load a second script tht starts this apps??? |
| 11:07.24 | John[Lisbeth] | add another line to your .bashrc |
| 11:07.34 | John[Lisbeth] | use an enviornment variable to check if the script hs already been started |
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| 11:07.54 | John[Lisbeth] | but that's just one way |
| 11:07.59 | ByteStorm | ok....can i pm you??? if you dont hav problems :) |
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| 11:09.00 | ByteStorm | im actually a beginner at these....though i hav been on linux for 2 years,i havent learnt much |
| 11:09.16 | ByteStorm | like how do make a .bashrc file |
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| 11:11.35 | ByteStorm | i guess it has to be done manually for sometime.... |
| 11:12.17 | winterss | hi |
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| 11:13.28 | ByteStorm | you there John[Lisbeth] ??? |
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| 11:25.45 | colo-work | I'm confused. Using debootstrap, the resulting directory tree doesn't have /usr/local - what packages owns that path; can I even miss it somehow? |
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| 11:26.32 | Arone | hi |
| 11:26.49 | Arone | any one have see " 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024: Connection refused)" with a mail server ? |
| 11:27.06 | Arone | the prob was amavis i think |
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| 11:28.18 | dym | Hey all! Im having an issue i cant identify. MySQL Server 5.7 https://pastebin.com/raw/PF1ZUSgp |
| 11:28.22 | dym | Any idea? |
| 11:28.23 | colo-work | Arone, seems like some kind of lmtp daemon (a milter, probably) isn't available? if you use postfix, maybe seek help in #postfix |
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| 11:29.17 | Iridos | I think /usr/local is created by the installer, not by any package |
| 11:29.44 | colo-work | Iridos, dpkg-query won't tell me what package it belongs to, so you're probably right |
| 11:29.46 | colo-work | interesting! |
| 11:30.23 | Arone | okay |
| 11:30.24 | Arone | thanks |
| 11:30.28 | Iridos | base-files and base-passwd base-config would be candidates |
| 11:30.49 | Iridos | s/base-config// |
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| 11:32.13 | Iridos | colo-work, look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.postinst |
| 11:32.42 | colo-work | Iridos, thanks |
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| 11:35.03 | Iridos | that has install_local_dir /usr/local |
| 11:35.23 | Iridos | and install_local_dir is a function with basically a mkdir -p in it |
| 11:35.48 | Iridos | so you should have it after base-files has been configured |
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| 12:04.54 | mjau^ | hi! |
| 12:05.23 | mjau^ | I just did an apt-get upgrade, but something failed; |
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| 12:05.53 | Brigo | mjau^, can you paste the output in paste.debian.net? |
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| 12:06.39 | mjau^ | c-icap has a dependency on libicapapi0 (=:1:0.1.6-1.1+deb7u1) but 1:0.01.6-1.1+deb7u2 is installed |
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| 12:08.04 | mjau^ | Brigo: well that's it really, it also suggests running apt-get with -f but well that's a last resort the way I see it |
| 12:08.07 | Brigo | mjau^, are you using jessie or wheezy? |
| 12:08.16 | Brigo | or what? |
| 12:08.23 | Brigo | libicapapi0 isn't in jessie |
| 12:08.39 | mjau^ | this is wheezy |
| 12:08.52 | mjau^ | (7.10) |
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| 12:09.23 | tosmarcel | Hey there! I started fooling around with xorg.conf (safely of course) and according to the logs, something else is overriding some options... like MaxSpeed and MinSpeed. Does anyone know which other files xorg is reading? |
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| 12:10.07 | Brigo | mjau^, c-icap version? |
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| 12:11.02 | mjau^ | Brigo: 1:0.1.6-1.1+deb7u1 |
| 12:11.22 | mjau^ | (is the one that dpkg -l lists) |
| 12:11.43 | Brigo | ,v c-icap |
| 12:11.44 | judd | Package: c-icap on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1:0.1.6-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy: 1:0.1.6-1.1+deb7u2; wheezy-updates: 1:0.1.6-1.1+deb7u2; jessie: 1:0.3.4-2; sid: 1:0.4.3-2; stretch: 1:0.4.3-2 |
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| 12:12.11 | Brigo | there is a new one. |
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| 12:12.45 | mjau^ | Brigo: so uh, something's up with my apt-get? |
| 12:12.52 | Brigo | mjau^, what's the output of apt-cache policy c-icap? |
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| 12:13.50 | Brigo | have you run apt-get update before apt-get upgrade? |
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| 12:15.02 | Brigo | mjau^, sorry, i have to go. |
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| 12:15.48 | mjau^ | Brigo: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a0f068ed/ |
| 12:16.04 | mjau^ | Brigo: oh ok, thanks though! |
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| 12:18.43 | Kalimer0 | Hi there. I am running a server where a part of it doesnt support https. I configured the default config of apache2 with a seperate virtualhost which doesnt redirect on a certain port. But since i use lets encrypt it doesnt work anymore. Is there a workaround? |
| 12:19.34 | bazhang | #httpd Kalimer0 |
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| 12:19.54 | Kalimer0 | bazhang: thanks |
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| 12:32.34 | cooldharma06 | hi all |
| 12:32.53 | cooldharma06 | how to clone 500gb lvm volume to another image |
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| 12:33.56 | cooldharma06 | any suggestion or link |
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| 12:39.22 | Walex | cooldharma06: what dos that mean? |
| 12:39.50 | cooldharma06 | i want to copy my data from volume which is in lvm (san) |
| 12:39.58 | Walex | cooldharma06: depending on what you mean, 'cp' can be used to do that. |
| 12:40.08 | cooldharma06 | and also it have "/var" library files |
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| 12:50.06 | teraflops | cooldharma06: did search "how to clone lvm volume" in e.g google? |
| 12:51.14 | cooldharma06 | teraflops yeah i did. but i dont want to make a try or risk |
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| 12:52.03 | cooldharma06 | it have some library file if something happened means i have to do from begining. so only asking in irc. |
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| 13:03.05 | zykotick9 | soupnanodesukar: you might want to ask the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network |
| 13:03.44 | soupnanodesukar | ok |
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| 13:23.43 | FaTony | can I go from i386 to amd64 without full reinstall? |
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| 13:24.31 | themill | sort of. with some luck and by trying your luck |
| 13:24.39 | themill | !crossgrade |
| 13:24.40 | dpkg | Converting an i386 installation into an amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me about <install debian>. If you've got good backups, plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading but really... good backups... |
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| 13:26.23 | FaTony | oh well, this is on a virtual machines and I have a full backup |
| 13:26.42 | themill | has done this to a few machines |
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| 13:27.18 | themill | it's possible but it's not for the faint hearted; actually it has been getting easier with time too and less forcing is needed now |
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| 13:32.25 | relipse2 | my server is using a lot o cpu how do i figure out the problem |
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| 13:33.19 | colo-work | `top -c` could be a first step. |
| 13:34.38 | relipse2 | why do i have a ton of "apache2" entries |
| 13:34.39 | relipse2 | in my top |
| 13:34.48 | relipse2 | sometimes mysqld |
| 13:35.08 | sypher | relipse2: Sounds like a LAMP stack to me. |
| 13:35.33 | sypher | relipse2: Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP. LAMP. That's pretty normal if you have that software installed. |
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| 13:45.30 | ByteStorm | guys whats the command to change the keyboard settings??? |
| 13:45.35 | ByteStorm | in the terminal?? |
| 13:45.54 | babilen | dpkg: keymap |
| 13:45.55 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 13:46.26 | ByteStorm | ok thnx |
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| 13:49.57 | linux-fox | dpkg:keymap |
| 13:49.57 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 13:50.00 | beagleboner | hello |
| 13:51.05 | zykotick9 | checks his crystal ball, and suspect beagleboner will ask how to disable hostap... ;) |
| 13:51.35 | beagleboner | what zykotick9 said |
| 13:53.16 | beagleboner | where can i find info to disable hostapd at boot so i can use wlan0 to connect to an existing access point? |
| 13:53.25 | zykotick9 | beagleboner: mentioning that you are using old-stable wheezy might also help... |
| 13:53.51 | beagleboner | actually i am using the latest beaglebone image which is debian 8.4 |
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| 13:54.41 | beagleboner | (networking worked fine under jessie) |
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| 13:54.58 | beagleboner | c/jessie/wheezy/ |
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| 13:55.20 | zykotick9 | beagleboner: in that case, "systemctl disable HOSTAPSERVICENAME" might work... |
| 13:55.46 | beagleboner | i tried systemctl disable hostapd.service |
| 13:56.08 | zykotick9 | beagleboner: and did you reboot after that? |
| 13:56.22 | beagleboner | did not realize a reboot was needed |
| 13:56.42 | zykotick9 | beagleboner: disable stops service from running at bootup... |
| 13:57.03 | beagleboner | ok... thought it turned it off immediately |
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| 13:57.22 | beagleboner | reboots the bbb |
| 13:57.25 | zykotick9 | beagleboner: "stop" does that |
| 13:57.56 | beagleboner | i tried "stop" and the ap still showed up when scanning from a different computer... |
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| 13:58.42 | FaTony | themill, ok so I installed 64 bit dpkg tar and apt but now I have broken packages and can't execute the next step where I install all 64 bit packages, what should I do? |
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| 14:01.42 | themill | FaTony: you'd have to pastebin some output for us to see |
| 14:01.42 | Ruff | Hello I have a little issue with Firefox on Debian Testing, the monospace fonts don't work with "font-family: monospace" but work with "font-family: mono" do you have an idea? thanks! |
| 14:02.22 | FaTony | themill, it overflows my terminal, how to pipe it into the file? |
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| 14:02.57 | beagleboner | ok... hostapd is not running, but "iwconfig wlan0 essid "Wi-Fi Network" fails (operation already in progress) |
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| 14:07.01 | FaTony | themill, paste.debian.net/713786 |
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| 14:09.32 | FaTony | oh wait, it went ahead |
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| 14:13.56 | FaTony | and it freezed |
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| 14:21.47 | cusco | hi |
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| 14:25.12 | cusco | is there a way I can change the "Flex block group size" ona ext4 filesystem? |
| 14:25.28 | cusco | i see in the manpage that mkfs.ext4 has the option -G |
| 14:25.33 | cusco | but tune2fs doesn't |
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| 14:27.38 | FaTony | what are login and password of livecd user? |
| 14:28.12 | ChetManly | would this channel cover that mint debian release, I know its not the same thing, but is too far removed ? |
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| 14:30.40 | ChetManly | I m looking to make a change but mint irc channel from what Ive seen arent something I want to be a part of |
| 14:30.58 | ChetManly | isnt* |
| 14:31.15 | tinyhippo | ? |
| 14:32.30 | ChetManly | you know there is linux mint, well there is a debian release instead as well instead of just a ubuntu release |
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| 14:35.05 | TomTomTosch | ChetManly: https://www.linuxmint.com/contactus.php |
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| 14:35.12 | abrotman | ChetManly: no, we don't support Mint |
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| 14:37.39 | ChetManly | well that not very communal |
| 14:38.22 | TomTomTosch | they have their own channels. look at the link i posted above. |
| 14:38.34 | ChetManly | TomTomTosch: ever been there? |
| 14:39.06 | ChetManly | trust me, its the blind leading the blind |
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| 14:39.43 | beagleboner | "connmanctl technologies" shows 3 interfaces (ethernet, wifi and bluetooth). but "connmanctl services" shows no services. |
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| 14:40.03 | blind | I've led no one recently. |
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| 14:40.16 | ChetManly | haha |
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| 14:42.30 | ChetManly | dont those companies kick back patches to debian? |
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| 14:45.51 | ChetManly | there is stable, unstable and testing right? |
| 14:47.08 | Iridos | there is |
| 14:47.36 | ChetManly | what is the current version of kde in stable |
| 14:47.57 | greycat | ,v kde |
| 14:47.58 | judd | Package: kde on amd64 -- squeeze: 5:66 |
| 14:48.02 | greycat | bah. |
| 14:48.10 | greycat | ,v konsole |
| 14:48.11 | judd | Package: konsole on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-1; sid: 4:16.04.1-1; stretch: 4:16.04.1-1 |
| 14:48.16 | greycat | there, that might be close enough |
| 14:49.13 | greycat | wonders why the version jumps from 4.x to 16.x, then figures "because browsers are doing it" |
| 14:49.36 | themill | change in release management process |
| 14:49.39 | ChetManly | stretch is the current stable |
| 14:49.46 | greycat | Incorrect. |
| 14:49.53 | greycat | jessie is the current stable |
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| 14:59.54 | Apukam | Hi, I can't install Debian testing from image file. Someone told me the way to do this is to upgrade from stabe. Is it serious? |
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| 15:00.41 | deego | describe "can't" |
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| 15:01.20 | TomTomTosch | !testing installer |
| 15:01.20 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:02.10 | TomTomTosch | yes, the recommended way is to install stable and upgrade. you might want to stick with stable for a while though. |
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| 15:05.17 | greycat | The recommended way for most computers it to install stable and then *not* upgrade. ;-) |
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| 15:07.28 | Apukam | greycat: Stable hasn't gor Plasma so I want to upgrade |
| 15:08.22 | jhutchins | Apukam: You are prepared for your computer to be unusable for extended periods? |
| 15:08.37 | greycat | ,v plasma |
| 15:08.38 | judd | No package named 'plasma' was found in amd64. |
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| 15:09.33 | Apukam | jhutchins: Explain to me this question please |
| 15:10.07 | greycat | It's called "testing" because it's still being tested, and if you run it, you are now testing it, and you are expected to file bug reports when things break. |
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| 15:10.50 | Apukam | greycat: I know that. Of course. All the distros with new packages are in the same situation |
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| 15:11.06 | greycat | ,v plasma-desktop |
| 15:11.07 | judd | Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; stretch: 4:5.4.3-1; sid: 4:5.6.4-1 |
| 15:11.19 | Apukam | I mean Plasma 5 |
| 15:11.24 | greycat | Is that the thing? I have no idea what "Plasma" means. That's one package I found by searching by name. |
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| 15:12.11 | TomTomTosch | kde likes to change the way they name their desktop with every major release. |
| 15:12.14 | Apukam | Sorry I wasn't to precise |
| 15:12.39 | awwal | Apukam, yes kde 5 is in unstable & testing right now |
| 15:12.40 | Apukam | It's the new version of KDE with the new look based on qt5 |
| 15:12.47 | awwal | but pretty buggy :P |
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| 15:13.12 | Apukam | I tried 6 monts ago. It was unusable. I want to give it a try again |
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| 15:13.38 | awwal | kde5 with breeze theme you mean Apukam :P |
| 15:13.56 | Apukam | Yes |
| 15:14.01 | jelly | the version of the desktop environment done by kde people that comes after KDE4 isn't named KDE5 any more but Plasma 5 now, |
| 15:14.17 | Apukam | That's what I just said |
| 15:15.35 | jelly | Apukam: and yes, the recommended way to get testing running is to install (a base system of) stable, then do a release upgrade |
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| 15:16.03 | Apukam | base system means without DE? |
| 15:16.13 | greycat | Yeah, without X. |
| 15:16.21 | nobody44 | i think i am stupid... I will setup some VMs with Debian on them and I would like to have some files accross all VMs. So my thought is to build my own debian package repository. So I did that, and it works, except one minor thing that bother me |
| 15:16.41 | greycat | There's no point installing a bunch of DE stuff that you're just going to remove/replace immediately. |
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| 15:16.43 | Apukam | It's too late I have installed with KDE. Now I'm upgrading it |
| 15:16.49 | nobody44 | when I use "apt search my-package", I get "my-package/unknown 1.0 all"... what does the "unknown" mean? |
| 15:16.52 | awwal | Apukam, many stuff have changed since jessie release. best way for run testning/unstable is doing a minimal install of stable (no DE), change your sources list pointing it to testing and dist-upgrade, after that install kde (standar, full...) |
| 15:17.11 | Apukam | I know but Can't speak to you while it's been upgrading itself |
| 15:17.42 | jelly | Apukam: upgrading from jessie to stretch will be... interesting at this point |
| 15:17.47 | jelly | if you have kde installed |
| 15:17.57 | Apukam | I'M upgrading from jessie to sid |
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| 15:18.08 | jelly | oh, well that's even worse |
| 15:18.16 | Apukam | Why |
| 15:18.17 | Apukam | ? |
| 15:18.26 | jelly | because it's sid |
| 15:18.29 | Apukam | Testing is the worse of the three |
| 15:18.30 | TomTomTosch | because sid likes to break your toys :P |
| 15:19.29 | jelly | I managed to completely hose my glibc nss resolver doing jessie -> stretch just two weeks ago |
| 15:19.32 | Apukam | In SID patches comes as soon as they are ready but on testing I have to wait a few days |
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| 15:19.53 | jelly | Apukam: that also means new bugs come as soon as ready |
| 15:20.01 | jelly | YMMV |
| 15:20.22 | Apukam | I think is better to stay with a broken system for a shorter period |
| 15:20.38 | jelly | it was interesting to see all the stuff that breaks if they can't figure out uid 0 is called "root" or look up "localhost" |
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| 15:21.10 | awwal | Apukam, you have more then one machine? |
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| 15:21.20 | jelly | (perl and debconf was among that stuff) |
| 15:21.23 | Apukam | No, I have more OS on one machine |
| 15:21.55 | awwal | Apukam, better for you stay with jessie |
| 15:22.04 | awwal | breeze is just breeze |
| 15:22.09 | jelly | nobody44: pastebin the actual command line and output. Also, |
| 15:22.14 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 15:22.15 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 15:23.14 | Apukam | What do you think can it cause problem to have Gnome and KDE installed at the same time? I'd like to switch between them |
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| 15:23.26 | greycat | Shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 15:23.34 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 15:23.34 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:23.43 | Apukam | Once the UI looked terrible when I did this |
| 15:23.58 | awwal | gnome & kde are the most buggy in sid/testing :P |
| 15:24.04 | jelly | Apukam: ^^ the right place to inquire about issues once you have something newer than stable |
| 15:24.16 | awwal | they are a big DE and usually break |
| 15:24.28 | Apukam | My last question can be asked here can't it? |
| 15:24.38 | jelly | awwal: plasma 5 at this point is less buggy than kde 4.0 was |
| 15:24.52 | jhutchins | Apukam: Since you already have multi-boot you might consider having both stable and testing on the box. That way you can chroot into testing if you need to fix something that's broken. |
| 15:25.22 | awwal | Apukam, I'm a novice but I run sid and jessie but in sid I only have a minimal system+openbox. less risk :P |
| 15:26.28 | Apukam | I used Jessie and I loved it. The problem with that (for me) is, sometimes too hard to install an application if it's not impossible |
| 15:26.44 | awwal | Apukam, if you want new software but "stable" system so you can run sid but with xfce or a mature window manager like openbox, fvwm and so..thats my opinion |
| 15:27.08 | Apukam | awwal: Thanks for your advice |
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| 15:28.07 | awwal | Apukam, as jhutchings told you, install testing or sid alongside your jessie. less risk |
| 15:28.24 | Apukam | I'll do that |
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| 15:29.16 | awwal | but you will have to cross fingers when sid/stretch grub is upgraded :P |
| 15:29.32 | Apukam | Why :D |
| 15:29.51 | Apukam | It doesn't find other OSs or what? |
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| 15:30.28 | Apukam | When will be Stretch released? |
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| 15:30.58 | awwal | Apukam, regarding your questions you may want try unstable/testing in a VM first |
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| 15:32.03 | jhutchins | Apukam: Another precaution when running testing or sid is to make a snapshot of the system before you install any updates. That way if something breaks, you can revert until it's fixed. |
| 15:32.14 | Apukam | Have you heard a distro which maintains testing? |
| 15:32.54 | TomTomTosch | do you mean rolling releases? there are some. |
| 15:33.12 | jhutchins | Apukam: I know of distros that release broken software as a public release. |
| 15:33.22 | awwal | Apukam, seems that you just want to run testing or unstable bcoz of kde breeze? |
| 15:33.41 | Apukam | For example siduction which is based on sid and maybe better. I don't know I just think it is |
| 15:34.48 | Apukam | I have a strange feature. I like my OS to look nice |
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| 15:35.11 | greycat | Mine looks nice. Lots of rxvt windows on a solid colored background. |
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| 15:35.21 | greycat | No fancy animated shit. |
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| 15:35.28 | awwal | :D |
| 15:36.09 | Apukam | Why is it problem to a programmer that some of us are like fancy shit? |
| 15:36.22 | awwal | Apukam, try installing testing alongside your jessie. best choice for you.... |
| 15:36.48 | FaTony | how to check wether there is an internet connection? |
| 15:37.07 | TomTomTosch | ping google.com !!! |
| 15:37.07 | afernandez_ | excuse me what is this mean? why there is no "if" in front of first "["? Thank you for your answer. |
| 15:37.09 | afernandez_ | [ -f ../network ] && . ../network |
| 15:37.16 | greycat | Try to resolve a hostname, or ping something, or fetch a HEAD from a famous web server. |
| 15:37.52 | Apukam | Have a nice day. |
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| 15:38.20 | TomTomTosch | afernandez_: looks like a shorthand if statement to me. |
| 15:38.31 | afernandez_ | shorthand? |
| 15:38.37 | sypher | afernandez_: Try 'man [ |
| 15:38.38 | sypher | afernandez_: Try 'man [' |
| 15:38.46 | sypher | afernandez_: It's a shorthand for the 'test' command. |
| 15:38.47 | afernandez_ | OK |
| 15:39.53 | afernandez_ | Thank you guys. |
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| 15:41.32 | FaTony | I'm getting connect: network is unreachable |
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| 15:43.45 | greycat | Or in bash, 'help [' and 'help test'. |
| 15:44.32 | afernandez_ | Thanks is that something "new" |
| 15:44.48 | afernandez_ | I was most used to see the if in front of the [ |
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| 15:46.10 | nobody44 | jelly, I actually just want to know, what the "unknown" in "my-package/*unknown*" stands for |
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| 15:46.45 | countbackula | so I accidentally unpacked a tarball which is the wrong version (into /src, it hasn't been configured). How to I remove all the extracted files? |
| 15:46.45 | greycat | tries "apt search", never having done it before... gets output like "blackbox/stable 0.70.1-23+deb8u1 amd64" |
| 15:47.00 | greycat | So I'm guessing the token after the / is a release name. |
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| 15:47.09 | jelly | nobody44: and I have no idea, but showing all the relevant info might provide more clues. |
| 15:47.32 | greycat | It also helps if you don't HIDE the fucking package name. |
| 15:47.57 | greycat | Even if it's tcsh, we promise not to laugh ... much. |
| 15:48.03 | jelly | hides any fucking packages from greycat |
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| 15:48.16 | jelly | that's not what the packages are for! |
| 15:48.35 | greycat | also wonders why 'apt search fvwm' came up with things like blackbox |
| 15:48.48 | jelly | short desc included in search |
| 15:49.09 | jelly | at least, it was that way with apt-cache search |
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| 15:51.21 | Aorious | Hi, I am attempted to intall Debian with LVM and Full Disk Encrption across two drives. Should I setup encrpted voloumes with a LVM container across them, or the other way around? |
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| 15:51.59 | countbackula | 2 drives or partitions? |
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| 15:52.05 | Aorious | 2 drives |
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| 15:52.54 | nobody44 | jelly, thanks, but I figured it out. The distributions file for reprepro was missing the "Suite" line |
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| 15:53.40 | countbackula | I think they'd have to be encrypted separately? If not, LVM first |
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| 15:53.44 | jelly | nobody44: and I bet it was apt-cache policy output that helped you figure that out! |
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| 15:54.27 | countbackula | Aorious: I've only ever 'crypted multiple partitions, sorry |
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| 15:54.46 | nobody44 | jelly, I wish... sorry, but I just reread another tutorial for how to setup a debian package repository :-/ |
| 15:54.53 | Aorious | countbackula: Okay |
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| 15:57.30 | beagleboner | hello, i am in the process configuring wifi on a jessie system. ifconfig shows wlan0 is now coming up with an inet6 address, but not an inet (4) address. my lan is ipv4. how can i get wlan0 to bind to a v4 address? |
| 15:58.44 | afernandez_ | [ -f ../network ] what the 2 ".." in front of /nrtwork means? |
| 15:58.50 | greycat | parent directory |
| 15:58.55 | afernandez_ | Thanks |
| 15:59.07 | greycat | Try "cd .." from a shell prompt, and you'll move "up" the directory tree. |
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| 15:59.23 | afernandez_ | Oh OK |
| 15:59.27 | afernandez_ | Thanks greycat |
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| 15:59.29 | greycat | (Computer scientists draw trees with the root on top.) |
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| 15:59.44 | beagleboner | greycat you have been on this channel for at least a decade, have you not? |
| 16:00.01 | greycat | On and off, but yeah. |
| 16:00.02 | countbackula | that is why he is gray |
| 16:00.16 | beagleboner | nick is familiar to me |
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| 16:00.29 | beagleboner | he was grey 15 years ago |
| 16:01.14 | beagleboner | can anyone help figure out why wlan0 comes up with an ipv6 address, but not ipv4? my lan is ipv4.... |
| 16:01.34 | sypher | beagleboner: Does the v6 address start with fe80? |
| 16:01.48 | beagleboner | sypher yes! |
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| 16:02.17 | sypher | beagleboner: Any active interface will have a "link-scope" ipv6 address. Link scope addresses are in the fe80::/64 range. |
| 16:02.33 | countbackula | what other interfaces are listed? |
| 16:02.37 | beagleboner | sypher excellent info. thanks. |
| 16:02.40 | sypher | beagleboner: Whether or not the network itself is ipv6-capable. In other words, you just don't have a connection. |
| 16:03.03 | beagleboner | countbackula eth0, lo, usb0, wlan0 are all showing up |
| 16:03.28 | sypher | beagleboner: The actual problem is that you're not receiving an IPv4 address from DHCP. |
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| 16:03.32 | beagleboner | sypher i seem to be unable to make the connection. i have gotten "no carrier" errors |
| 16:04.03 | beagleboner | dhclient runs and exits with no error msg or other info |
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| 16:04.44 | beagleboner | "connmanctl services" shows no services |
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| 16:05.49 | beagleboner | "connmanctl scan wifi" returns a "no carrier" message |
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| 16:09.42 | beagleboner | how can i figure out why "dhclient wlan0" failed? |
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| 16:10.42 | beagleboner | presumably the same reason i got the "no carrier" msg from "connmanctl scan wifi" |
| 16:10.50 | countbackula | beagleboner: have you tried renewing your IP? try "sudo dhclient -r wlan0" to remove it, then "sudo dhclient wlan0" |
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| 16:11.41 | countbackula | beagleboner: oh, yeah. Then you've just no connection at all if 'no carrier' shows |
| 16:12.29 | beagleboner | yeah, so how can i initiate the connection to wlan0? |
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| 16:13.23 | countbackula | have you made sure you have the appropriate drivers and firmware? |
| 16:14.09 | beagleboner | well i think so... wlan0 shows up in ifconfig. |
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| 16:16.40 | countbackula | iwlwifi? wpasupplicant? wirelesstools? |
| 16:17.07 | beagleboner | i have edited teh config file for wpa_supplicant. |
| 16:17.17 | beagleboner | (and rebooted) |
| 16:18.01 | beagleboner | the (first) problem was that the beaglebone was booting with an ap on wlan0. i have gotten it to stop doing that... |
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| 16:19.09 | countbackula | beagleboner: what is a beaglebone |
| 16:19.17 | countbackula | oh jk |
| 16:19.44 | countbackula | beagleboner: the adapter should be wlan0. |
| 16:19.45 | beagleboner | beaglebone is a single board computer. similar to raspberry pi, but open source hardware |
| 16:19.56 | beagleboner | the adapter _is_ wlan0 |
| 16:20.18 | countbackula | beagleboner: yeah but you said you made it stop booting with wlan0? |
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| 16:20.35 | beagleboner | no, i said it stopped booting with an access point on wlan0 |
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| 16:21.04 | beagleboner | i want to use wlan0 to connect to an existing ap not create a new one. |
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| 16:21.47 | beagleboner | the machine now boots without starting the ap. wlan0 still shows up when i do "ifconfig" |
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| 16:22.19 | countbackula | beagleboner: what are the all-caps words on the fourth line? you said NO CARRIER-- what else? |
| 16:22.41 | beagleboner | the fourth line of what? |
| 16:23.02 | countbackula | beagleboner: when you hit sudo ifconfig |
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| 16:23.37 | beagleboner | when i do "connmanctl scan wifi" i get "Error /net/connman/technology/wifi: No carrier" |
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| 16:25.18 | beagleboner | ifconfig wlan0 shows a line (all caps) "UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1" |
| 16:25.35 | beagleboner | (all caps aside from "Metric" that is) |
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| 16:28.01 | countbackula | beagleboner: yes thanks that's what I wanted to know |
| 16:28.01 | countbackula | beagleboner: go old-school and do " ifdown wlan0" then "ifup wlan0" |
| 16:28.19 | FaTony | hi getting no ip in ifconfig, how to fix? |
| 16:28.43 | countbackula | FaTony: add sudo |
| 16:28.58 | beagleboner | DHCPDISCOVER now running |
| 16:29.02 | FaTony | countbackula, I'm logged as root |
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| 16:29.16 | countbackula | beagleboner: ok cool cool progress |
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| 16:29.58 | beagleboner | No DHCPOFFERS received |
| 16:30.09 | countbackula | beagleboner: what's the output of "ip addr"? |
| 16:30.14 | beagleboner | ip addr |
| 16:30.17 | beagleboner | oops |
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| 16:30.33 | countbackula | beagleboner: shit man I went through all this a couple months ago trying to remember |
| 16:30.46 | beagleboner | thanks for the help ount |
| 16:30.48 | beagleboner | count |
| 16:31.06 | beagleboner | i was sort of neutral about systemd until now. |
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| 16:31.11 | afernandez_ | apt-get install zim |
| 16:31.20 | countbackula | beagleboner: lol you're fine. It's a driver/firmware problem I'm calling it |
| 16:31.49 | countbackula | beagleboner: systemd can bite me |
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| 16:31.58 | beagleboner | dont think so. when the card was booting into ap mode, the ap was visible from another computer, so i assume the drivers and all are okay. |
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| 16:32.36 | beagleboner | besides, wlan0 worked fine on a wheezy system running on the same computer |
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| 16:33.47 | markybob | beagleboner: did you try just nmtui ? |
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| 16:34.26 | beagleboner | ok i think i found something brb |
| 16:34.33 | countbackula | beagleboner: have you installed hostapad? |
| 16:34.48 | beagleboner | i can't install anything w/o network |
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| 16:35.16 | beagleboner | i think hostapd was installed on the image i booted from |
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| 16:35.19 | countbackula | beagleboner: do you have another working system? I shuttled a USB back and forth with necessary stuff |
| 16:35.41 | beagleboner | other system is a borrowed win7 laptop :( |
| 16:36.03 | Tekkkz | Hello! where can I otain a copy of the debian base system to flash it to a HDD? (i can't use the install medium, i need to get a working system img) |
| 16:36.20 | countbackula | beagleboner: check if it did-- do you have an etc/default/hostapd folder? |
| 16:37.00 | beagleboner | dpkg -s hostapd says its installed |
| 16:37.00 | dpkg | You Fool! hostapd says its installed is installed! |
| 16:37.15 | beagleboner | when i do dpkg -s hostapd says its installed |
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| 16:37.17 | countbackula | beagleboner: nah you just need one with network connection! you can download the binaries and move them to Jessie |
| 16:37.33 | beagleboner | need one what with network connection? |
| 16:37.51 | countbackula | beagleboner: and a hostapd.conf file? |
| 16:38.09 | countbackula | beagleboner: another system - you said you had a windows laptop |
| 16:38.27 | beagleboner | i don't want hostapd to run at all on this interface. i want it to connect to an existing ap. |
| 16:38.52 | markybob | do you have a cat5 cable? |
| 16:39.12 | beagleboner | yes i have cat5 |
| 16:39.46 | markybob | so you could just plug it into your wifi router and get internet. but it seems to me like you just need to run nmtui like i said before |
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| 16:42.09 | beagleboner | i am not able to plug into the wifi router its in another location. |
| 16:42.22 | beagleboner | dpkg nmtui |
| 16:42.22 | dpkg | beagleboner: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:42.40 | beagleboner | what is nmtui? |
| 16:43.11 | penrod | greetings, What is the best/ most preferred webmail package ? |
| 16:43.15 | markybob | really simple ncurses tool to set up network connections |
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| 16:44.36 | markybob | !tell penrod about roundcube |
| 16:45.37 | penrod | markybob, thank you. I see it is in "backports" will stability be an issue ? (I know its debian ) |
| 16:46.09 | markybob | penrod: no. i've used it. works perfectly. |
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| 16:46.23 | penrod | markybob, ok, thanks again |
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| 16:48.55 | somiaj | penrod: usually stability is not an issue with backports (though packages are not as well tested). The biggest issue is security updates may be slower as it is up to the matainer to put a new backports version in if a security hole is found. |
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| 16:49.36 | penrod | somiaj: thanks, I will pay atteention to that. |
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| 16:52.59 | countbackula | beagleboner: just to clarify-- you're BB is UP, yeah? |
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| 16:53.22 | beagleboner | bb is up, but wifi is still non-funtional |
| 16:53.28 | beagleboner | functional even |
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| 16:54.39 | countbackula | ok then it's a problem with the physical layer of your network stack. |
| 16:56.14 | beagleboner | need to go afk... back in about 30 mins |
| 16:56.43 | countbackula | ciao |
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| 17:14.15 | _44trent | i want to chroot into my debian install to reinstall grub, how do I do that? |
| 17:14.23 | _44trent | (thanks a lot windows 10) |
| 17:14.37 | greycat | !chroot |
| 17:14.38 | dpkg | To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
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| 17:15.24 | beagleboner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:15.53 | monsterco | Hi everyone; what would awk syntax be for something like this: Useragent : Aastra 55i/3.2.2.56 to retreive the first 12 charecters after : |
| 17:15.56 | _44trent | should i replace ext2 with ext4? |
| 17:16.05 | _44trent | my debian install is in ext4 |
| 17:16.14 | Tekkkz | Hello! Is it possible to intall debian on the odroid-c2? |
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| 17:17.05 | inna | Hi! :D |
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| 17:17.35 | blind | Tekkkz: should be yeah, you just want to get the ARM(64) version |
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| 17:18.49 | inna | anyone is using Parrot Os? |
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| 17:19.15 | greycat | Sounds like a very colorful breakfast cereal. |
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| 17:20.37 | inna | hahaha |
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| 17:23.10 | _44trent | i'm confused; are you supossed to do "mount -t ext2 /dev/sda5" even though the filesystem for my debian partition is ext4? |
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| 17:24.16 | blind | _44trent: probably not, you should match what the filesystem actually is... ext2 and ext4 are pretty similar so it might work.. what are you reading? |
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| 17:24.50 | _44trent | i'm reading from this: |
| 17:24.52 | _44trent | !chroot |
| 17:24.52 | dpkg | To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
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| 17:25.07 | greycat | There's no sda5 in that. |
| 17:25.24 | _44trent | well no, that's because it doesn't put in the partitions |
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| 17:25.45 | _44trent | but my debian partition is on sda5 |
| 17:26.00 | greycat | Use whatever is appropriate in place of "whatever" in the recipe above. |
| 17:26.12 | _44trent | sda5 is appropiate for me |
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| 17:26.38 | _44trent | i'll just put ext4 in the first command to be safe |
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| 17:28.26 | _44trent | yeah, that worked |
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| 17:28.39 | _44trent | what do i put in to reinstall grub now? |
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| 17:29.30 | _44trent | what would I check to make sure I did the chroot right? |
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| 17:30.50 | _44trent | i think i am chrooted in, ls shows all the directories from my debian install |
| 17:31.03 | greycat | !reinstall grub |
| 17:31.03 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html . Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>. |
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| 17:32.15 | _44trent | that page is for grub legacy |
| 17:32.18 | _44trent | i have grub2 |
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| 17:35.16 | teraflops | Grub legacy sounds like a rpg game |
| 17:35.28 | greycat | !install grub |
| 17:35.28 | dpkg | GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 #grub on irc.freenode.net. See also <grub legacy>. |
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| 17:36.45 | _44trent | that should settle it |
| 17:36.49 | _44trent | grub is reinstalled |
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| 17:37.19 | gnat_x | hi folks. my router runs debian. currently i'm building static routes, and ip rules using a script in ifup.d, which works fine for routes, however the rules get re-added every time and interface comes up. |
| 17:37.30 | gnat_x | which means my rules table is filling. |
| 17:37.51 | gnat_x | putting that in the interfaces file doesn't seem to work. |
| 17:38.14 | gnat_x | at least not on any of the non-my-route to the internet machines that i've teseted it on. |
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| 17:38.36 | gnat_x | so where should i put such things? |
| 17:38.49 | gnat_x | this is jessie fwiw. |
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| 17:40.50 | menace | Hi, i rebuilt tellico in debian testing with debug infos and run it with gdb.. gdb says it has no debug infos about a file named qwidget.cpp and i looked for that file with apt-file but i did not find it in the entire repo? any idea? |
| 17:41.17 | menace | the source seems not to be in stable or testing. |
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| 17:41.25 | menace | how could i build that stuff? O_o |
| 17:42.23 | gnat_x | https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/tellico <-- that's not the source? |
| 17:42.38 | menace | yes, that is the source. |
| 17:42.54 | menace | but the gdb does NOT refer to a file in tellico, rather in a lib/header of qt |
| 17:43.06 | menace | named qwidget.cpp |
| 17:43.45 | menace | "kernel/qwidget.cpp: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden." which means file not found |
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| 17:44.25 | greycat | So you're trying to compile something that uses libqt? Then you need the appropriately versioned libqt*-dev package(s). |
| 17:44.30 | menace | the header is there qwidget.h ... |
| 17:44.35 | menace | yeah i know |
| 17:44.50 | menace | and the dev package HAS the qwidget.h but not the qwidget.cpp? |
| 17:44.57 | greycat | Beyond that, you'll probably have to ask the people who maintain the thing you are compiling. |
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| 17:54.14 | menace | i wrote the package maintainer.. since he patches the stuff, i hope he can help me... |
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| 17:57.47 | Tekkkz | blind: where to get the arm64 version? |
| 17:57.52 | uso | is the SSL verification for OFTC broken because of the certificate bug in jessie? |
| 17:58.27 | blind | Tekkkz: debian.org |
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| 17:59.38 | cluelessperson | Question, why is debian absolutely screwing up the tomcat installation? |
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| 18:00.03 | Ipcipher | sounds like a layer 8 issue |
| 18:00.11 | jelly | !ask |
| 18:00.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:00.40 | jelly | cluelessperson: if you want actual help, rephrase with actual info please |
| 18:01.14 | Tekkkz | but there are onöly installation medias blind |
| 18:01.29 | cluelessperson | Is anyone here aware of tomcat troubles with debian? I keep running into problems installing any applications. I've wasted 4 hours trying to follow these instructions:https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/CROWD/Installing+Crowd+WAR+Distribution |
| 18:01.43 | blind | Tekkkz: right, installation media is something you use to install. you want the arm64 installation media. |
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| 18:05.45 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: you'll probably get more help if you describe what errors you got, which version of tomcat and other relevant details |
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| 18:06.27 | jelly | Tekkkz: try asking in #debian-arm, on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net) |
| 18:07.32 | jelly | I'll confess we don't use debian's packaging of tomcat at all, the setup is quite different from upstream tarballs (comparable to how apache setup is different) |
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| 18:07.45 | jelly | (we = my employer) |
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| 18:08.51 | FaTony | I'm resurrecting a system using debootstrap, I've just did apt-get install lightdm and reboot. LightDM starts but I can't use mouse or keyboard and after about 10 seconds it freezes completely, how to fix? |
| 18:10.07 | jmcnaught | FaTony: there might be clues in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or "journalctl -b -u lightdm" (or whatever lightdm's service i called) |
| 18:11.16 | at0m | FaTony: freezes? can you Ctrl-Alt-F1 or F2? |
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| 18:11.25 | gnat_x | FaTony: i've had issues on some older netbooks where lightdm will fail to register keyboard/mouse. reboot often fixes. |
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| 18:12.10 | FaTony | at0m, it's in VirtualBox, typing ctrl+alt+f1 goes to host and host+f1 doesn't work |
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| 18:12.38 | FaTony | lightdm worked fine on this machine before |
| 18:12.54 | jmcnaught | FaTony: the vbox console probably/should have a menu item or other way to send that shortcut to the guest |
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| 18:15.01 | beagleboner | hello |
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| 18:17.17 | FaTony | hmm can't get ctrl+alt+f1 to work with guest |
| 18:17.36 | beagleboner | i have been attempting to connect to an existing wifi access point with wlan0. initially it was failing because the beaglebone was booting with hostapd enabled. i have stopped hostapd at boot, edited wpa_supplicant config, but dhclient still fails to assign an ip address to wlan0. |
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| 18:18.06 | jmcnaught | FaTony: then try booting into recovery mode from the grub prompt to check the logs from there |
| 18:18.25 | FaTony | jmcnaught, yeah, I'm trying |
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| 18:34.15 | menace | it would be really could if i apt-get source stuff, that it would be defaulty decompressed to a standard path like /usr/src/debian/foo/packages, so i could just add /usr/src/debian/ for gdb :D |
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| 18:37.29 | greycat | You could discipline yourself to always cd there before retrieving source. |
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| 18:44.54 | menace | greycat: but perhaps i need to track down problems in dependencies, which i just source-getted additionally |
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| 18:51.38 | Tekkkz | blind: how should i use an installation media on an odroid c2? |
| 18:53.21 | blind | Tekkkz: I'd probably put it on a USB stick personally. |
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| 19:12.27 | rhizome | a battle well fought |
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| 19:19.05 | jhutchins | menace: Write a script. |
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| 19:21.56 | FaTony | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:26.32 | at0m | instead of running 'users', i want to see system users running services too. how would i go about that? |
| 19:27.00 | greycat | Is ps auxw not good enough? What are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 19:27.26 | at0m | like to get a list of users as they're listed in top, but just the list of users running processes |
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| 19:28.03 | greycat | top lists users? Huh? |
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| 19:28.23 | at0m | as in running 'top' |
| 19:28.31 | at0m | ps auxw lists the top-like list of process |
| 19:28.31 | greycat | top shows processes, and part of the process display happens to be a username, just like ps. |
| 19:28.38 | at0m | right |
| 19:28.39 | jhutchins | at0m: logged in users are running a shell. |
| 19:28.54 | at0m | jhutchins: and what about those running daemons |
| 19:28.57 | greycat | What are you trying to do? |
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| 19:29.20 | at0m | listing any and all users running anything |
| 19:29.38 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.40 | at0m | not just shells, but also daemons |
| 19:29.58 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:30.03 | at0m | greycat: excellent :) |
| 19:30.09 | at0m | tx |
| 19:30.10 | greycat | stupid headers... |
| 19:30.21 | miss0r | Hello people. I am in a harry situation. At the moment my server is running an odd mix of debian 7 and 8. I get some horrible errors. I am hoping you can guide me in downgrading it back to version 7. I only have a ssh connection, and the server is a fair bit away from here. I am unabled to install nfs-common, which the server somehow dropped after a reboot. long story short, a person whom should never have had root access, had it for |
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| 19:30.37 | rhizome | yeah i was looking to see if cut had a "skip lines" option |
| 19:30.44 | miss0r | hence the situation. Do you guys have a doable solution to fix this? |
| 19:30.48 | greycat | miss0r: the only way to go back to an older version safely is a full reinstall |
| 19:30.51 | jelly | dpkg, tell miss0r about wheezy sources.list |
| 19:31.01 | jelly | dpkg, tell miss0r about partial downgrade |
| 19:31.05 | jelly | dpkg, tell miss0r about not available |
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| 19:31.20 | jelly | greycat: (miss0r continued from ##linux) |
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| 19:32.37 | miss0r | jelly: Damn that looks like I will loose |
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| 19:33.47 | jelly | it's doable if you have decent apt and debian experience |
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| 19:34.39 | miss0r | jelly: that is what makes me uncertain. I will give it a go, for sure. Fingers crossed |
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| 19:35.05 | jelly | remember, apt has a --dry-run option |
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| 19:36.22 | miss0r | indeed |
| 19:36.28 | gnat_x | has sucessfully downgraded before, but it is not for the faint of heart. |
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| 19:36.51 | Devastator | can someone recommend a hyperterminal alternative for linux that has a graphical interface and XModem/YModem support? I would use minicom myself, but it is not for me and minicom isn't so friendly to a person that is not even used to linux hehe |
| 19:37.17 | greycat | xmodem? seriously? |
| 19:37.22 | jelly | miss0r: and if you want to get really hacky, you can download and dpkg --unpack wheezy's nfs-common and set up nfs manually if you need it RIGHT NOW |
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| 19:37.48 | jelly | then migrate the setup to a fresh system one service at a time |
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| 19:38.09 | Devastator | greycat yes, it is a device that sends its log files through serial |
| 19:38.13 | jmcnaught | Devastator: did you try "apt-cache search xmodem" to see what's available? |
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| 19:39.07 | Devastator | jmcnaught not really, maybe I can do it in packages.debian.org as well?! |
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| 19:39.48 | karl | can someone please help me: http://paste.debian.net/713900/ |
| 19:40.04 | karl | the time is wrong and i cant set it |
| 19:40.09 | jelly | karl: which debian release is this |
| 19:40.14 | karl | jessie |
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| 19:40.57 | karl | ntpdate does not work, whenever i set the time its immediately reset to this time |
| 19:41.02 | karl | and its plainly wrong |
| 19:41.11 | greycat | Did you stop (x)ntpd first? |
| 19:41.16 | rgngeoi | Hello, folks at #metasploit are advising me to use metasploit from github. However, since I'm running debian and metasploit-framework is in the repositories (jessie), I would like some #debian advice wether I should install it with aptitude or not. |
| 19:41.47 | gnat_x | Devastator: use screen. |
| 19:41.57 | jelly | karl: is this a physical system or a VM? |
| 19:41.59 | menace | are files in maildir directories the same as eml-files or is there a difference in the format? |
| 19:42.04 | karl | physical |
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| 19:42.31 | greycat | menace: maildir files are simply the headers, then a blank line, then the body. No prefix characters, no "From " on line one. |
| 19:42.31 | gnat_x | menace: iirc there's a difference. but i could be confusing it with one of the many mail formats. |
| 19:42.35 | jelly | honestly I wasn't aware timedatectl worked in jessie at all |
| 19:42.37 | [sr]|2 | guys, i'm getting crazy with a situation i have for about one year, on two hyper-v machines, i have two debian SID guests, and with a kernel > 4.0, services like bind or samba or apache get stuck and doesn't boot |
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| 19:42.50 | [sr]|2 | i tried to compile the kernel with 586 intel and nothing |
| 19:42.57 | vicatcu | hey all, I'm using one of these USB serial cables, and sometimes it (/dev/ttyACM0) just disappears |
| 19:42.57 | [sr]|2 | any idea? never had such situation |
| 19:43.05 | vicatcu | it comes back if i restart the machine |
| 19:43.12 | jmcnaught | rgngeoi: metasploit is not in Debian, maybe you're using a derivative? |
| 19:43.16 | vicatcu | is there anyway to get it back in a less heavy handed way? |
| 19:43.58 | gnat_x | Devastator: for things that use serial connection, i generally use a serial-USB devices. so "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200" will get me a serial connect at a baud rate 115200. |
| 19:44.01 | jhutchins | vicatcu: Possibly unplug it and plug it back in. |
| 19:44.14 | vicatcu | jhutchins, how about without physical access |
| 19:44.16 | jhutchins | vicatcu: Those things aren't known for robust high-quality chipsets. |
| 19:44.23 | vicatcu | i can ssh, that's it |
| 19:44.35 | [sr]|2 | in 15 years never saw this |
| 19:44.41 | karl | thats really weird: http://paste.debian.net/713911/ |
| 19:44.42 | gnat_x | Devastator: consult the device on the other end for the right baud rates. i know cisco and hp switches use 9600 for example. |
| 19:44.45 | jhutchins | vicatcu: You could try probing it with setserial. |
| 19:45.00 | karl | something is changing my time, i suspect systemd, but its just wrong |
| 19:45.15 | jmcnaught | [sr]|2: this is on unstable? Debian recently moved to i686 minimum for 32bit support |
| 19:45.20 | greycat | karl: Is an ntp daemon running? |
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| 19:45.40 | [sr]|2 | jmcnaught: yes, SID, hum... yes it's an 23bit machine |
| 19:45.51 | karl | ntpd is running |
| 19:45.56 | [sr]|2 | jmcnaught: hum going to compile with 686 but i thing i did that once |
| 19:45.56 | jhutchins | systemd does have a time daemon, and it's possible to have both ntp and that running at the same time. |
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| 19:46.21 | miss0r | jelly: well that is probally something I would considder. |
| 19:46.21 | [sr]|2 | jmcnaught: the wierd is that is only with kernels > 4.0x |
| 19:46.22 | jhutchins | [sr]|2: Perhaps a 32 bit device? |
| 19:46.22 | vicatcu | jhutchins, never heard of setserial... not a known command when i just type it either |
| 19:46.56 | miss0r | jelly: as I don't want to spend too much work on this server to be honnest. It will, as i meantioned earlier, be taken down within the year |
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| 19:47.01 | [sr]|2 | jhutchins: device like what? |
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| 19:47.30 | karl | service ntp stop and killing all ntpd processed does not help, still the same |
| 19:47.31 | [sr]|2 | jmcnaught: ok did, tried the: 586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX |
| 19:47.42 | karl | i can set the time, and it gets changed immediately |
| 19:47.44 | [sr]|2 | jmcnaught: wich is i686 but nothing |
| 19:47.47 | jhutchins | ,v setserial |
| 19:47.49 | judd | Package: setserial on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.17-45.3; wheezy: 2.17-47; jessie: 2.17-48; sid: 2.17-49; stretch: 2.17-49 |
| 19:47.55 | Devastator | gnat_x unfortunately I'm looking for something with a GUI that has XModem/YModem support, I'll see if apt-cache can help me hehe |
| 19:47.57 | jmcnaught | [sr]|2: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg00001.html |
| 19:48.12 | jelly | miss0r: you could also hire someone good with debian to do a fixup |
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| 19:48.20 | jhutchins | [sr]|2: you said "a 23 bit machine"... |
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| 19:48.29 | [sr]|2 | sorry, 32bit! |
| 19:48.33 | karl | can i disable the systemd time service ? |
| 19:49.02 | jhutchins | [sr]|2: SO you need i386 |
| 19:49.05 | jelly | karl: how did you manage to enable it in the first place is an interesting question :-) |
| 19:49.12 | miss0r | jelly: I get no money doing this - it is for a friend, whom I can't say I totally agree with after what he allowed the programmer to do to the server. but he knows less than I do. I think I will just get this running for now. Do you know where I can ready about installing nfs manually? |
| 19:49.24 | [sr]|2 | jmcnaught: hum... since i'm under hyper-v it means wont work? |
| 19:50.17 | [sr]|2 | jmcnaught: with i386 they hang also, bnid+apache+samba |
| 19:50.26 | karl | well, it seems to be enabled on all my systems |
| 19:50.28 | [sr]|2 | all last version in SID |
| 19:50.29 | jhutchins | vicatcu: So install setserial, read the man page, see if it can find the adapter when it goes down. |
| 19:50.39 | jmcnaught | miss0r: finishing the upgrade to jessie is also an option. it might take some adjustment of apache configuration, but there are details in the jessie release notes (and upgrade instructions) |
| 19:50.40 | jhutchins | vicatcu: Also check dmesg to see if it knows what's happening. |
| 19:50.43 | vicatcu | ok |
| 19:50.44 | karl | on my laptop it works fine |
| 19:50.44 | jelly | miss0r: not really, no. Do you need nfs client or nfs server to run? |
| 19:50.59 | miss0r | jelly: nfs client |
| 19:51.03 | vicatcu | jhutchins, you are saying even though /dev/ttyACM0 is missing setserial might see it |
| 19:51.10 | jmcnaught | [sr]|2: you might find better help in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net when it comes to unstable. any reason you're not using jessie/stable for a server? |
| 19:51.11 | jhutchins | vicatcu: I believe there are things you can do to cause the USB bus to be rescanned, but I don't know what they are. |
| 19:51.19 | miss0r | jmcnaught: What are my odds on that approach? |
| 19:51.48 | [sr]|2 | jmcnaught: it's two internal testing machines |
| 19:51.49 | karl | how weird is that: http://paste.debian.net/713915/ |
| 19:52.01 | karl | i get different results on two machines in the same network |
| 19:52.04 | gnat_x | is there a document that describes current best practices for static routing using multiple routing tables. mainly i can't seem to get things added properly from the interfaces file. |
| 19:52.05 | [sr]|2 | jmcnaught: all new i need they all are x64 |
| 19:52.16 | gnat_x | and my ifup script re-adds rules every time. |
| 19:52.53 | jelly | miss0r: odds are "don't do it without console access, read the release notes, and prepare for 4+ hours work and downtime" |
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| 19:53.24 | miss0r | jelly: yeiks. Downtime is already taking place - as the VMs are located on the NAS, they won't boot |
| 19:53.25 | jelly | miss0r: I think the first requisite rules it out :-) |
| 19:53.38 | miss0r | indeed |
| 19:53.46 | jhutchins | There are both timedated and timesyncd... and of course niether one shows as a process. |
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| 19:54.07 | miss0r | jelly: so installing nfs from source is what I should do somehow? |
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| 19:54.13 | teraflops | karl: what do you want? get time synced via internet? systemd-timesyncd.service is fine |
| 19:54.32 | jhutchins | teraflops: WHat does timedated do then? |
| 19:54.36 | jelly | miss0r: no, I mean just get nfs-common files back up, even if apt complains it's uninstallable |
| 19:54.40 | karl | its not working: http://paste.debian.net/713916/ |
| 19:54.47 | vicatcu | jhutchins, yea setserial /dev/ttyACM0 just responds with /dev/ttyACM0: No such file or directory |
| 19:54.49 | karl | my time is wrong, thats the problem |
| 19:54.53 | karl | its not saturday |
| 19:55.11 | jhutchins | karl: Not Saturday here either. Is it last week or this weekend? |
| 19:55.15 | greycat | It is in some time zones, yes? |
| 19:55.22 | karl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:55.30 | jelly | who cares about damn timezones, his UTC timestamp is off |
| 19:55.30 | karl | the pastes are from just now |
| 19:55.33 | teraflops | jhutchins: hmm timedated? |
| 19:55.44 | karl | something sets the time to saturday 4 am |
| 19:55.50 | karl | and i cant find out what |
| 19:55.53 | teraflops | jelly: you mean timedatectl? |
| 19:56.03 | karl | ntpdate, timedatectl date all fail to set the time |
| 19:56.06 | miss0r | jelly: I realy hate to ask you for more assistance here, but do you have time to walk me through it? |
| 19:56.09 | awwal | what happens with adobe flash, like 3 weeks old and wont update... |
| 19:56.13 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.20 | karl | it gets immediately set to saturday 4 am something |
| 19:56.31 | jelly | teraflops: yes |
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| 19:57.04 | jelly | miss0r: first add the whoe wheezy sources, then let's see |
| 19:57.15 | karl | i have disabled ntp, disabled timedated and still time cant be set |
| 19:57.24 | jelly | miss0r: in case you missed it, /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
| 19:57.26 | vicatcu | jhutchins, and actually even unplugging and replugging the USB port doesn't bring it back |
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| 19:57.36 | miss0r | jelly: I did add thoes. I also ran apt-get update. then I did apt-get download nfs-common and rpcbind |
| 19:57.39 | jelly | karl: disabled, but did you stop it :-) |
| 19:58.08 | jhutchins | karl: timedatectl status might be useful. |
| 19:58.13 | Tekkkz | blind: I can select the boot device? at uboot? |
| 19:58.13 | teraflops | jelly: looks like binary file no idea |
| 19:58.44 | jelly | miss0r: okay. what does "aptitude install nfs-common=1:1.2.6-4" want to do |
| 19:58.51 | gnat_x | am i mistaken in the assumption that systemctl restart networking will actually trigger post-up lines in the interfaces file? |
| 19:58.54 | jhutchins | vicatcu: Ok, that says that booting the system does something that activates it, so there's a chance you can replicate that. |
| 19:58.59 | karl | http://paste.debian.net/713917/ |
| 19:59.06 | jhutchins | vicatcu: Trick is to figure out what it does. dmesg | less |
| 19:59.43 | miss0r | jelly: http://pastebin.com/pFiB8Zt6 |
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| 19:59.50 | karl | somehow the utc time in timedate is wrong |
| 20:00.22 | jhutchins | karl: So we need to figure out where it's getting it's time from. |
| 20:00.24 | jelly | miss0r: say "r1" at that prompt, enter, say "n" then paste the new output |
| 20:00.28 | Carli7887 | Hi guys, do you know why adobe flash plugin does not work anymore? If it is blocked from Mozilla there is some other option to use flash for exemple using the chrome's pepperflash? If yes how? Thanks |
| 20:00.30 | karl | http://paste.debian.net/713919/ |
| 20:00.55 | awwal | karl, dual booting with windows? |
| 20:00.57 | vicatcu | jhutchins, yea I can see where it starts up http://pastie.org/10863410 |
| 20:01.02 | karl | no windows in da house |
| 20:01.15 | jelly | miss0r: sorry, "r2" "aptitude, I reject your suggestion to not install nfs-common, find me a different solution" |
| 20:01.24 | miss0r | http://pastebin.com/nqxRvbUf |
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| 20:01.35 | miss0r | hmm... I will quit and run it again with r2 - hang on |
| 20:02.15 | gnat_x | vicatcu: and unplugging /replugging doesn't cause that to show up in dmesg again? |
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| 20:02.26 | miss0r | jelly: http://pastebin.com/y4VDZyZx |
| 20:02.35 | greycat | karl: well, the first thing I would do is find out how to disable that systemctl date thing. The second thing is figuring out how it got turned on at all. |
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| 20:03.00 | jelly | miss0r: yeah... that does not look feasible, you already have apache from jessie running |
| 20:03.05 | vicatcu | oh check this out http://pastie.org/10863420 |
| 20:03.08 | jhutchins | karl: You could also try running NTP and seeing if that overrides it correctly. |
| 20:03.14 | jelly | miss0r: okay, add back jessie sources then |
| 20:03.25 | greycat | I can't imagine having two competing NTP daemons at the same time would do anything good |
| 20:03.35 | jelly | miss0r: after apt-get update, what does "apt-get install ntp-common" say |
| 20:03.45 | jelly | dpkg, tell miss0r about jessie sources.list |
| 20:03.45 | vicatcu | gnat_x, last message in dmesg is [88486.734757] usb 1-1-port4: unable to enumerate USB device |
| 20:03.50 | teraflops | jelly jhutchins /lib/systemd/systemd-timedated is what timedatectl uses |
| 20:03.52 | miss0r | ntp-common ? |
| 20:03.53 | jhutchins | greycat: systemd has hooks for ntp, note that it reports that it's not running in timectl |
| 20:04.14 | jelly | miss0r: nfs-common of course |
| 20:04.14 | greycat | jhutchins: in the one paste of his I am currently looking at, it says "NTP enabled: yes" on the first system. |
| 20:04.35 | jelly | too much ntp talk |
| 20:04.37 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.38 | greycat | It also says "NTP synchronized: no". I have no idea what that means. |
| 20:04.39 | karl | jhutchins: i cant override, its immediately reset again: http://paste.debian.net/713921/ |
| 20:04.39 | teraflops | :P |
| 20:04.53 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:05.46 | FaTony | how to enable sudo? |
| 20:05.51 | miss0r | jelly: it seems to have installed... will see if I can mount the shares |
| 20:05.53 | karl | jhutchins: that file does not exist |
| 20:06.11 | jhutchins | Ah, what we want is /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf |
| 20:06.21 | jhutchins | That will have the source. |
| 20:06.39 | miss0r | jelly: that is pretty good news... not the virt-manager won't launch thou.... |
| 20:06.40 | karl | i pasted that a minute ago |
| 20:06.41 | jelly | miss0r: not much else got installed, upgraded or removed? |
| 20:06.49 | karl | jhutchins: i pasted that a minute ago |
| 20:07.06 | vicatcu | jhutchins, gnat_x --- so when I plug it in now here's what the output in dmesg looks like: http://pastie.org/10863425 |
| 20:07.10 | jelly | miss0r: what does "uname -a" say? |
| 20:07.21 | karl | jhutchins: http://paste.debian.net/713919/ |
| 20:07.33 | jhutchins | karl: It can also be configured by the systemd.networkd config (if any). |
| 20:07.41 | jelly | miss0r: also, which init system is up? cat /proc/1/comm |
| 20:07.46 | teraflops | jhutchins: theres a bug. basically it dont pick other ntp servers but debian ones (the exising ones on that file) |
| 20:07.59 | miss0r | first the installation output here: http://pastebin.com/3xWDQnnj |
| 20:08.03 | teraflops | it doesnt* |
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| 20:08.19 | miss0r | jelly: uname -a says: Linux x3650 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.78-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:08.49 | miss0r | and the car /var/1/comm returns 'init' |
| 20:08.53 | jelly | miss0r: that's a kernel from wheezy. it's anyone's guess whether qemu and kvm userspace from jessie is going to work with it |
| 20:09.05 | jelly | miss0r: and you're still on sysvinit |
| 20:09.11 | gnat_x | vicatcu: hrm. might need a custom udev rule. |
| 20:09.23 | jhutchins | teraflops: I would expect the debian pool servers to be defined as fallback servers. |
| 20:09.29 | miss0r | damn I feel in way over my head here. |
| 20:09.52 | jhutchins | karl: I would speculate that the timeserver it's using may be misconfigured. |
| 20:10.24 | jelly | miss0r: ASSUMING jessie kvm stack work, you'll probably need someone at the console to help if you install and try to boot the kernel from jessier |
| 20:10.37 | miss0r | jelly: When posting apt-get install virt-manager, theres ALOT of stuff it wants to install. should I just go for it, and hope for the best? |
| 20:10.59 | jelly | miss0r: pastebin the output. use paste.debian.net if possible, it has less ads |
| 20:11.28 | jelly | miss0r: can you start up a test VM manually with qemu? |
| 20:11.30 | jhutchins | karl: Although "NTP Enabled: No" looks like it's turned off. Maybe turn it back on? |
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| 20:11.47 | gnat_x | vicatcu: try this create /etc/udev/rules.d/99-usb-serial-device.rules and in it put: SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="1b4f", ATTR{idProduct}=="9206", MODE="666" |
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| 20:11.53 | gnat_x | that might work. |
| 20:11.53 | greycat | Why would you want to turn the broken systemd ntp back on? |
| 20:11.59 | miss0r | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/713922/ |
| 20:12.27 | vicatcu | gnat_x ok, what's that gonna do? |
| 20:12.38 | miss0r | jelly: I can, but it will take some time, as it seems qemu dropped the machine list |
| 20:13.15 | jhutchins | karl: Have you tried setting the time with timedatectl? |
| 20:13.21 | teraflops | well, for a workstation or a home server systemd-timesyncd.service is a good choice imo. |
| 20:13.29 | gnat_x | vicatcu: it will tell the udev subsytem when it sees a device from that vendor with that id (the ones from you paste earlier), to put is in the "usb" sub system, and give it 666 permissions. |
| 20:13.34 | awwal | karl, what if you comment the last line in that timesyncd.conf and run timedatectl --set-local-rtc 0 ? |
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| 20:13.51 | gnat_x | vicatcu: i've had to do that for other weird USB devices in the past. |
| 20:13.51 | vicatcu | gnat_x, do i need to do something to make that take effect? |
| 20:14.03 | gnat_x | vicatcu: iirc no. |
| 20:14.08 | awwal | what happens if you comment ^ |
| 20:14.26 | jelly | miss0r: hmm, it's a bit much. what if you add --no-install-recommends ? |
| 20:14.32 | jhutchins | karl: I would suggest enabling the timesyncd with timedatectl set-ntp true |
| 20:14.52 | jhutchins | karl: It looks like it's set to use the debian pool, but is not enabled. |
| 20:15.21 | vicatcu | gnat_x, how can i tell if it's using that rule? |
| 20:15.27 | jhutchins | karl: WHen I enable it on my system, "NTP Enabled:" changes to "Yes". |
| 20:15.52 | jhutchins | karl: timedatectl sets the HW clock when you use it to set system time. |
| 20:16.01 | miss0r | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/713924/ |
| 20:16.23 | miss0r | jelly: I managed to start the VMs with virsh. not all I need is virt-manager. |
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| 20:16.48 | gnat_x | vicatcu: unplug/replug and look at dmesg (possibly with the -T flag to make the timestamps easier to read) |
| 20:17.05 | vicatcu | gnat_x, yea i've been doing that and getting the same result as before |
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| 20:17.15 | jhutchins | karl: You still there or am I talkin' to myself? |
| 20:17.18 | karl | enabling it does not help: http://paste.debian.net/713925/ |
| 20:17.23 | gnat_x | vicatcu: drat. |
| 20:17.34 | karl | it seems its unable to change the hw clock |
| 20:17.34 | gnat_x | has to wander off... |
| 20:17.34 | jhutchins | karl: THank you. Did you try setting the date with it? |
| 20:17.34 | vicatcu | ya :) |
| 20:17.52 | karl | yes, as i said i cant set the date with date, timedatectl or ntpdate |
| 20:17.56 | jelly | miss0r: and you make do with current setup? apt wants to upgrade perl and that might just break it |
| 20:18.07 | karl | it gets immediately reset to saturday 5am |
| 20:18.07 | jelly | can* you make do |
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| 20:18.34 | miss0r | jelly. I guess i can.. not the easiest way thou. Let me try some stuff. then get back to you? |
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| 20:18.40 | karl | is it possible that the system hw clock is write-protected ? |
| 20:18.49 | Overand | Hey - I have a Debian 8 system - VM - with two "physical" disks (residing on two different backing datastores). I'm using dm-crypt on them. Is it possible to get my root FS onto one 'disk' and swap on another, but NOT have to unlock both on boot? |
| 20:18.59 | jelly | miss0r: I don't know whether it's possible to have virt-manager running on a different system |
| 20:19.09 | greycat | karl: this is why jelly asked you if it was a physical machine or a VM, and you said "physical" |
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| 20:19.18 | karl | it is a physical machine |
| 20:19.23 | miss0r | jelly: it is. so that should be doable |
| 20:19.24 | jhutchins | karl: Do you have any read-only partitions? |
| 20:19.29 | karl | but i just changed the motherboard an hour ago |
| 20:19.45 | teraflops | karl: did you try sudo systemctl enable systemd-timesyncd.service, and then sudo systemctl start systemd-timesyncd.service |
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| 20:20.10 | teraflops | karl: also is that machine a rpi thingiy? |
| 20:20.16 | teraflops | thingy* |
| 20:20.21 | jelly | karl: you could boot into bios and set the clock (to UTC values) there, see what happens? |
| 20:20.40 | karl | teraflops: timedated is running but sets wrong time |
| 20:21.04 | karl | teraflops: its no rpi, its a asrock board with an amd processor |
| 20:21.06 | teraflops | karl: then dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 20:21.15 | karl | tzdata is correctly set to cest |
| 20:21.35 | awwal | karl, Ihad some issues with my system clock. my configuration here is last line in timesyncd.conf bala bla bla commented. executed timedatectl --set-local-rtc 0 the timedatectl --adjust-systemclock , after a reboot all fine |
| 20:21.47 | teraflops | karl: im not talking about that timedate thing, im talking about systemd-timesyncd.servic |
| 20:21.49 | teraflops | e* |
| 20:21.58 | awwal | then ^ |
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| 20:22.20 | karl | teraflops: i did run your two commands, but nothing changed |
| 20:22.41 | greycat | teraflops: what? There are TWO different systemd ntp things?! |
| 20:22.42 | jhutchins | karl: I don't see an option to force the system to sync from the network now. |
| 20:22.56 | jelly | miss0r: if/when you have console access, you can attempt finishing the wheezy->jessie release upgrade; if stuff works now... you have the immediate issue managed |
| 20:23.04 | karl | jhutchins: i dont understand |
| 20:23.08 | jhutchins | karl: I'd try setting the time with timedatectl set-time <time>, then let it run for a while. |
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| 20:23.31 | teraflops | greycat: to be honest idk what that _timedate_ thing is |
| 20:23.45 | jhutchins | karl: You can pass ntpd a command to set the time now, or you can use ntpdate <server>. I don't see a way to do that with timedatect. |
| 20:23.50 | miss0r | jelly: yes, I believe I have. it seems the VMs are responding they way they should. thank you for your help, it is very apprecieted |
| 20:23.52 | jelly | miss0r: read /msg dpkg jessie release notes, /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie, possibly to minimize changes /msg dpkg jessie sysvinit |
| 20:24.24 | karl | jhutchins: does not work when automatic time synchronization is enabled |
| 20:24.29 | jhutchins | greycat: It looks like timesyncd is the daemon, timedated is an interface layer that timedatectl interfaces with. |
| 20:24.32 | greycat | teraflops: I've never heard of anyone using EITHER of these things. I can't believe people are actually suggeting that he enable them. |
| 20:24.39 | jelly | jhutchins: welcome to systemd. |
| 20:24.56 | karl | jhutchins: when i disable automatic syncronization it it still does not work |
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| 20:25.06 | karl | i will go and check if i can find anything in bios |
| 20:25.11 | jelly | jhutchins: we do everything over async rpc api and split services from ui |
| 20:25.13 | jhutchins | karl: I would _enable_ it, and leave it running for a while. |
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| 20:25.24 | teraflops | greycat: systemd-timesyncd is a simple SNTP daemon that only implements a client side |
| 20:25.30 | greycat | My suggestion is still to disable EVERY kind of ntp/systemd-timesync/timedatectl thing you can find, and then see what happens. |
| 20:25.35 | jelly | ^^ |
| 20:25.43 | teraflops | greycat++ |
| 20:25.49 | jhutchins | jelly: We also have support for contanierized machines built in to the init replacement. |
| 20:26.01 | jelly | oh that's okay. |
| 20:26.19 | karl | jhutchins: its been running for hours and i did not understand why mythtv did not work |
| 20:26.19 | tematibr | I have a debian headless home server. If I disable graphical.target in systemd will that break stuff? |
| 20:26.27 | jhutchins | greycat: It would appear that he is not running ntpd, and that timesyncd is not enabled. |
| 20:26.30 | karl | jutchins: until i found out that time is wrong |
| 20:26.46 | jhutchins | karl: You mean you enabled timesyncd hours ago? |
| 20:26.50 | karl | yes |
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| 20:26.58 | jmcnaught | tematibr: you're probably looking for "systemctl set-default multi-user.target" |
| 20:27.05 | jelly | tematibr: what does graphical.target even do when you don't have X installed? |
| 20:27.19 | karl | going to check bios.. |
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| 20:27.40 | tematibr | jelly: that's what I was wondeting. Why is it enabled if I don't have Xorg? |
| 20:27.44 | jelly | jhutchins: it's not enabled, but is it running? |
| 20:28.03 | jelly | tematibr: who knows? Does it hurt things? |
| 20:28.49 | jelly | if it's a default, and it doesn't make any effective difference, why not leave it be |
| 20:29.19 | jelly | minimize your time spent and minimize changes-from-default |
| 20:30.52 | tematibr | jelly: ok, thanks for advice. I just wanted to clean up my server a bit, but perhaps its better to leave it be. |
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| 20:32.31 | jhutchins | jelly: I was mistaken, I didn't realize he'd already been working with the systemd stuff. |
| 20:33.58 | jhutchins | karl: I guess my suggestion then would be to disable it and turn ntpd on, but yeah, check the hw clock. |
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| 20:35.01 | jelly | not every half-assed builtin implementation of something in systemd needs to be used |
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| 20:35.13 | karl | total weidness: i went into bios, the time was exactly the wrong time i always got |
| 20:35.30 | jelly | that... would not be weird at all |
| 20:35.44 | karl | i changed the time in the bios to monday |
| 20:35.54 | jelly | karl: if this is a single OS machine, set bios time to correct UTC time |
| 20:36.04 | karl | booted into linux, and now it correctly sets the RTC |
| 20:36.10 | karl | all is well. |
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| 20:36.19 | jelly | wth monday |
| 20:36.29 | karl | jelly: just arbitrary date |
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| 20:36.46 | karl | it seems linux was not able to set the RTC until it was accessed once in bios |
| 20:36.52 | jelly | now reboot cleanly and check date in bios again |
| 20:37.01 | karl | rtc is not correctly set |
| 20:37.08 | karl | s/not/now/g |
| 20:37.16 | jelly | to localtime or UTC? |
| 20:37.26 | jelly | (don't use localtime) |
| 20:37.36 | karl | utc |
| 20:37.45 | jelly | then ok |
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| 20:38.31 | karl | there must have been some problem updating the RTC which was resolved by changing time in the bios just once |
| 20:38.50 | karl | weird, well one never ceases to learn !:) |
| 20:39.04 | jelly | !win karl |
| 20:39.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, karl! You have won the US presidency! |
| 20:39.27 | teraflops | Hehe |
| 20:39.28 | greycat | My theory is still that the systemd thing was running and somehow had the notion that your time zone was in Asia/Australia. |
| 20:39.29 | jhutchins | karl: Or maybe even just rebooting fixed it. |
| 20:39.37 | jelly | thought karl was King of Ducks, not PUSA |
| 20:39.43 | karl | jhutchins: i rebooted numerous times |
| 20:39.52 | greycat | So it kept syncing the clock with an offset of +x hours. |
| 20:39.58 | Tekkkz | guys how can i build debian without install medium? |
| 20:40.07 | greycat | !tell Tekkkz about debootstrap |
| 20:40.09 | jhutchins | karl: The UTC was off though, not the local time. |
| 20:40.16 | jhutchins | er greycat |
| 20:40.17 | teraflops | karl: ah the itcroud approach |
| 20:40.22 | jelly | jhutchins: it was all off |
| 20:40.33 | greycat | jelly: not originally, it wasn't. |
| 20:40.36 | karl | greycat: the systemd thing works on all my debian machines |
| 20:40.37 | jelly | including the bets! |
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| 20:40.52 | greycat | I've still got his pastebin that says 2 root@mediaserver:/home/karl# timedatectl status 7 NTP enabled: yes 8 NTP synchronized: no |
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| 20:41.23 | karl | the NTP synchronized: no happens when you set the time manually, after a fresh reboot it was "yes" |
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| 20:43.08 | karl | well, i am happy and can now go back to debugging mythtv ! |
| 20:43.16 | jhutchins | Ah well, our fun with systemd for today. |
| 20:43.21 | karl | thanks for your time |
| 20:43.24 | karl | cheers ! |
| 20:43.32 | jelly | pun not intended |
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| 20:44.13 | jelly | <karl> thanks for your time # *sensible chuckle* |
| 20:45.01 | cokuz | any explanation about why at night everything worked alright and after I woke up I had lost my internet connection, and now everytime I reboot I have to manually set ifconfig eth0 parameters plus route gw? |
| 20:45.27 | cokuz | I switched to debian so I could control my system, right now it looks like my system is controlling me |
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| 20:46.12 | teraflops | Tekkkz: are you trying to install debian in an odroid U2? |
| 20:46.21 | jhutchins | cokuz: THat's not a normal condition. Time to have a look at dmesg | less and /var/log/messages |
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| 20:46.57 | jhutchins | cokuz: WHich release are you on? |
| 20:46.59 | teraflops | cokuz: hehe |
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| 20:47.14 | cokuz | jessie |
| 20:47.32 | jhutchins | cokuz: So systemd again. |
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| 20:47.46 | jhutchins | cokuz: How did you configure your network settings? |
| 20:48.00 | cokuz | I didn't |
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| 20:48.03 | cokuz | debian did it for me |
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| 20:48.37 | cokuz | debian gave it to me and debian has taken it away from me |
| 20:48.40 | cokuz | i just want to know why |
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| 20:48.56 | awwal | cokuz, which DE? |
| 20:49.03 | cokuz | none |
| 20:49.36 | cokuz | yesterday I did apt-get purge kde* but I used the computer for 5 hours after that |
| 20:49.52 | cokuz | so it's nonsense I wake up and find myself disconnected from everything |
| 20:50.12 | awwal | so your'nt using networkmanager or wicd and the kde related pkg? |
| 20:50.39 | jhutchins | cokuz: I would infer that something in KDE set up the networking, and when you rebooted that was no longer there, so you don't have any network configuration. |
| 20:50.54 | awwal | cokuz, ^ |
| 20:51.02 | cokuz | jhutchins: I lost connection before rebooting |
| 20:51.20 | jhutchins | cokuz: Probably as a result of removing the utility that configured it. |
| 20:51.51 | jhutchins | cokuz: So what you need to do is either set up a static configuration or install a networkmanger interface and set that up. |
| 20:52.00 | cokuz | that's too many assumptions, but even in that case, assuming debian allows kde to configure the network, i should've seen immediate effects after purging it |
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| 20:52.22 | awwal | cokuz, if you dont want to use NM, wicd and the kde pkg ( i no remember its name) so edit interfaces file and configure it and you will be fine |
| 20:52.26 | jhutchins | cokuz: Ok, If you already know the answers, I have other things to do. |
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| 20:53.18 | cokuz | jhutchins: if I don't get an answer I'm switching to another distro, so be quiet unless you want me to quit this channel before than I thought |
| 20:53.23 | cokuz | you don't have the answer, it's okay |
| 20:53.25 | Tekkkz | teraflops: yes, why? |
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| 20:53.47 | awwal | cokuz, you may have lost internet connection wifi/wired bcoz and your system wasn't able to reconenct bcoz you purged kde and its net utilities |
| 20:53.53 | teraflops | Tekkkz: I just inferred it from your questions |
| 20:53.55 | greycat | cokuz: if another distribution better suits your needs, then by all means switch. |
| 20:54.14 | cokuz | awwal: yes, but I still had internet connection after purging and hours after purging |
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| 20:54.30 | teraflops | Wtf |
| 20:54.37 | greycat | Debian's network config situation is abhorrent. Multiple different competing methods. |
| 20:54.38 | jmcnaught | cokuz: programs don't quit automatically if you remove them |
| 20:55.00 | awwal | cokuz, edite your interfaces file and configure them manually or install wicd/NM |
| 20:55.12 | cokuz | I will make another question |
| 20:55.23 | teraflops | cokuz: be kind with the people that are trying to help you |
| 20:55.28 | cokuz | is there any other tool, window manager independant, that will set up my network interfaces on reboot? |
| 20:55.41 | awwal | wicd |
| 20:55.58 | teraflops | Many |
| 20:56.06 | jmcnaught | cokuz: ifupdown and wpasupplicant, or NetworkManager |
| 20:56.31 | awwal | aptitude search wicd have a ncurse frontend too |
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| 20:56.50 | cokuz | teraflops: you aren't one of them, so if the only thing you've to say to me is i am a rude person |
| 20:56.59 | cokuz | you can go fk yourself, freak |
| 20:57.02 | cokuz | now you can call me rude |
| 20:57.09 | teraflops | awwal: Nmtui looks and performs very well |
| 20:57.09 | greycat | cokuz: chill. now. |
| 20:57.35 | teraflops | cokuz: you don't deserve support here |
| 20:57.50 | awwal | teraflops, yes, debian have a lot of choices |
| 20:57.51 | bazhang | gone |
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| 20:59.14 | teraflops | Wow |
| 21:00.33 | silverfall | poor guy, I just feel like purging KDE just to check if he was right |
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| 21:01.19 | jhutchins | Good heavens, what ever will we do if he switches to another distro? |
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| 21:02.44 | x37 | i have questions about troubleshooting a hdd. im using debian, not sure if this is the right channel |
| 21:03.06 | RoyK | x37: smartctl -x /dev/dev |
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| 21:03.37 | beagleboner | elho |
| 21:03.38 | jhutchins | x37: Kind of depends on the questions. |
| 21:04.07 | Tekkkz | teraflops: you can help me? |
| 21:04.36 | silverfall | jhutchins: you're not seeing the bigger picture, think of us like customer support, so if we lose a customer it doesn't really matter |
| 21:04.51 | silverfall | but if an attitude makes us lose customers, the whole shop is endangered |
| 21:04.57 | silverfall | so I'd recommend you try to behave next time |
| 21:05.14 | silverfall | and teraflops too |
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| 21:05.33 | beagleboner | hahah |
| 21:05.40 | bazhang | silverfall, dont even start here |
| 21:05.59 | jhutchins | silverfall: He was being a jerk and wasn't prepared to cooperate in any troubleshooting. We're polite to people who are reasonable - and we usually give them plenty of chance. |
| 21:06.09 | silverfall | bazhang: do you follow me along every channel? |
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| 21:06.25 | bazhang | no |
| 21:06.44 | teraflops | Tekkkz: hmm. Nope :( |
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| 21:06.50 | jhutchins | To be fair, there was a distro I used that had a bullying culture that took over their IRC support. It's gone now. |
| 21:06.50 | HelloAtMega | Hi everyone |
| 21:06.51 | x37 | RoyK, http://pastebin.com/c2yR0KB5 |
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| 21:07.12 | HelloAtMega | Is it possible to check if my Debian already has systemd??? |
| 21:07.22 | greycat | HelloAtMega: if it's jessie, it does. |
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| 21:07.26 | x37 | jhutchins, mainly i just want to know if its failing, and if so the best way to back up |
| 21:07.32 | HelloAtMega | good, greycat |
| 21:07.35 | jhutchins | x37: How about a description of the problem? pastebin.com is blocked here (and many other places). |
| 21:07.40 | pingfloyd | did the look of chromium change for everyone else too? |
| 21:07.42 | HelloAtMega | can you help me with something else? |
| 21:07.58 | HelloAtMega | greycat, I need to force an fsck to my drives |
| 21:07.58 | beagleboner | HelloAtMega: yes do "ps aux|grep systemd" |
| 21:08.05 | jmcnaught | Tekkkz: have you checked https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm64/ ? |
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| 21:08.27 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: shutdown -Fr now? |
| 21:08.27 | HelloAtMega | I was reading this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/50762/how-to-automatically-force-fsck-disks-after-crash-in-systemd |
| 21:08.41 | HelloAtMega | hum, ok I can try |
| 21:08.46 | greycat | HelloAtMega: also, cat /proc/1/comm |
| 21:09.15 | jhutchins | x37: The best way to back up, assuming it's a system drive, is to boot to something else and use rsync. |
| 21:09.24 | HelloAtMega | greycat, can't be more clear than that |
| 21:09.25 | HelloAtMega | :p |
| 21:09.33 | jhutchins | x37: If it's not a system drive, just use rsync. |
| 21:09.58 | HelloAtMega | And what means this: |
| 21:09.59 | HelloAtMega | passing fsck.mode=force as a kernel command line parameter |
| 21:10.11 | HelloAtMega | what is a kernel command line parameter? |
| 21:10.11 | jhutchins | x37: If you have smartmond enabled, you will see errors in the logs or dmesg. If those errors are regular, or if the bad blocks are increasing, it is in the process of failing. Replace NOW. |
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| 21:10.30 | HelloAtMega | or better, how is this command passed as a kernel command line parameter? |
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| 21:10.54 | greycat | by editing the boot line in grub typically |
| 21:10.58 | HelloAtMega | Is when the system is rebooting, we press the "c" key to enter command line parameter? |
| 21:11.08 | greycat | "e" isn't it? |
| 21:11.15 | HelloAtMega | ah ok |
| 21:11.23 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: The bootloader passes parameters to the kernel at boot time. YOu can set them temporarily with grub in edit mode, or in the grub config. |
| 21:11.29 | HelloAtMega | If I press C I also enter some mode |
| 21:11.42 | HelloAtMega | ok |
| 21:11.51 | HelloAtMega | but let me try the other approach |
| 21:12.03 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: I believe you press escape to abort the default, the e to edit. |
| 21:12.12 | HelloAtMega | shutdown -Fr now |
| 21:12.17 | HelloAtMega | going to try this |
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| 21:12.25 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: Best of luck. |
| 21:12.34 | HelloAtMega | And can I ever manually choose the partition I want to check? |
| 21:12.38 | HelloAtMega | Thanks jhutchins |
| 21:13.03 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: Using the shutdown flag it will check system drives. For other drives, you can unmount them and check them with fsck. |
| 21:13.14 | HelloAtMega | ok |
| 21:13.50 | HelloAtMega | brb |
| 21:13.51 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: You can actually check them when they're mounted, but you can't fix errors, only show them. |
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| 21:14.04 | HelloAtMega | ok, thanks for those tips |
| 21:14.07 | HelloAtMega | brb |
| 21:14.50 | HelloAtMega | I'm already back |
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| 21:14.56 | HelloAtMega | That command returned an error |
| 21:15.08 | HelloAtMega | Code should not be reached 'Unhandled option' at ../src/systemctl/systemctl.c:6316, function shutdown_parse_argv(). Aborting. |
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| 21:15.15 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: We kindof assume that you will run system commands as root. |
| 21:15.21 | HelloAtMega | How bad is this? |
| 21:15.27 | HelloAtMega | yes, I did |
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| 21:15.43 | HelloAtMega | sudo shutdown -Fr now |
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| 21:16.37 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: Ah, systemd may have changed things, hang on... |
| 21:16.44 | yakamo | hi i cant get debian drivers for intel hd5500 broadwell to work stable |
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| 21:17.50 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: Yes, systemd broke the -F and forcefsck options. |
| 21:18.13 | HelloAtMega | So, what can I do to workaround this? Just remove the F? |
| 21:18.42 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: Your only options are to add fsck.mode=force to the boot command (middle part of the item), or to boot to another medium and do it manually. |
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| 21:18.55 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: Note that systemd does default to checking the drives at boot. |
| 21:19.17 | HelloAtMega | jhutchins, that's why I want to run and repair errors |
| 21:19.33 | HelloAtMega | when I reboot my laptop, I can see the error report |
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| 21:19.42 | HelloAtMega | probably from that systemd check |
| 21:20.07 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: So I guess systemd doesn't drop you into repair mode, how nice. |
| 21:20.11 | HelloAtMega | I'm going to try one of that approaches |
| 21:20.17 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: Make a boot device. |
| 21:20.38 | HelloAtMega | jhutchins, I have a Debian Live CD, I guess |
| 21:20.54 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: You can also try booting to single user or rescue mode. I don't know for sure, but sometimes those modes have the filesystem read-only, so your ok to fsck -a |
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| 21:22.06 | greycat | I wouldn't count on that. Single-user mode has traditionally been with root mounted rw. |
| 21:22.23 | HelloAtMega | I get this from dmesg |
| 21:22.23 | HelloAtMega | https://paste.debian.net/713946/ |
| 21:22.36 | jhutchins | greycat: I loose track of the various options among different distros and releases. |
| 21:22.44 | greycat | deletes the s |
| 21:23.13 | HelloAtMega | and also this: |
| 21:23.13 | HelloAtMega | https://paste.debian.net/713947/ |
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| 21:23.15 | greycat | HelloAtMega: that, uh, looks like a grub install being run after a kernel update? |
| 21:23.25 | greycat | Why am I looking at this? |
| 21:23.53 | HelloAtMega | Not sure greycat, this OS is running like for 4 years without ever been cleaned of formated |
| 21:24.14 | HelloAtMega | I can't remember what I have done with my Debian since that time |
| 21:24.19 | greycat | Why are you showing us FAT-fs warnings from 1129 seconds after boot? What is the problem you are trying to solve or identify? |
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| 21:25.02 | HelloAtMega | greycat, I just tun the dmesg command |
| 21:25.12 | greycat | And chose 4 random lines? |
| 21:25.15 | HelloAtMega | I didn't even know the meaning of those numbers |
| 21:25.42 | HelloAtMega | No, I chose the lines that refer errors in hard drives, I guess |
| 21:26.03 | greycat | Those are not hard disk errors. They aren't even referring to a hard drive at all. |
| 21:26.08 | greycat | sr0 is a CD-ROM |
| 21:26.26 | greycat | So, again, what is the problem you are trying to solve? |
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| 21:26.38 | HelloAtMega | ok, I have just acknowledge something |
| 21:26.51 | HelloAtMega | the dmesg sort is inverted |
| 21:26.57 | jhutchins | greycat: I think he was getting some disk errors from systemd fsck on boot. |
| 21:26.58 | HelloAtMega | the most recent events are on top |
| 21:27.03 | HelloAtMega | yes |
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| 21:27.25 | HelloAtMega | and as I thought the bottom of dmesg command wa the most recent events |
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| 21:27.37 | HelloAtMega | I was relating those dmesg errors with the ones I get from boot |
| 21:27.41 | greycat | dmesg's output is timestamped. You can see the timestamp numbers increasing as you read downward. |
| 21:27.50 | greycat | Nothing you are saying makes any sense. |
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| 21:28.37 | HelloAtMega | greycat, I never thought that the most recent events of dmesg would just scrool up in the terminal window making them instantly invisible |
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| 21:28.57 | HelloAtMega | that's why I assumed the most recent events were the one on the bottom, because are the ones which are visible |
| 21:29.04 | HelloAtMega | when the dmesg output stops |
| 21:29.06 | greycat | You are not making any sense at all. If you just run 'dmesg' with no filtering, the last 20-some lines will be visible above your shell prompt. |
| 21:29.22 | greycat | These are the MOST RECENT. |
| 21:29.49 | HelloAtMega | greycat, the lines I showed you from my dmesg are in my visible area of my terminal |
| 21:30.01 | greycat | Then they're the most recent. Case closed. |
| 21:30.22 | greycat | As I said, those lines come from grub-update (or update-grub) when you install a new kernel or initramfs or whatever. |
| 21:30.25 | greycat | It's probing for shit. |
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| 21:32.05 | HelloAtMega | greycat, this is the bottom (end) of my dmesg (I'll show you the top of it in a minute) |
| 21:32.06 | HelloAtMega | http://i.imgur.com/SwjKnUO.png |
| 21:32.28 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: dmesg | less +G makes it easy to scroll back and search. Usually you're more interested in what just happened rather than ancient history - my system's been up for 35 days. |
| 21:32.38 | greycat | Yes. It is the bottom. Those are your most recent events. There is NOTHING ANOMALOUS IN THAT OUTPUT. |
| 21:32.50 | greycat | It is completely normal. |
| 21:32.51 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: You can also scroll back with Shift+PgUp |
| 21:33.01 | greycat | WHAT. PROBLEM. DO. YOU. THINK. YOU. ARE. SOLVING?! |
| 21:33.41 | jhutchins | placates greycat with a saucer of cream. |
| 21:34.00 | HelloAtMega | greycat, I want to run and repair hard drive errors |
| 21:34.06 | greycat | WHAT errors? |
| 21:34.12 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: Do you know which drive? |
| 21:34.27 | HelloAtMega | and from that screen that I just showed to you, was where I took those lines with errors from pastedebian links |
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| 21:34.37 | greycat | So far you've not shown errors. You've only shown output from a normal apt-get upgrade. |
| 21:34.59 | HelloAtMega | I can only see the errors at boot time |
| 21:35.13 | HelloAtMega | I'm not sure if I can see them somewhere else |
| 21:35.34 | greycat | Are they coming from the BIOS, or from the kernel as it first fires up, or from fsck after the kernel has settled in? |
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| 21:35.49 | greycat | If they're coming from the post-kernel stuff, they should be in journalctl. |
| 21:36.30 | HelloAtMega | wait, I'm going to reboot and try to take a picture to show you... |
| 21:36.39 | HelloAtMega | I don't want to be saying anything stupid |
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| 21:36.48 | HelloAtMega | I'm not a linux expert |
| 21:37.02 | HelloAtMega | s there are many terms and concepts I don't have any knowledge |
| 21:37.06 | HelloAtMega | 2 minutes |
| 21:37.08 | HelloAtMega | brb |
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| 21:42.15 | HelloAtMega | greycat, http://i.imgur.com/VT16r1S.jpg |
| 21:42.27 | HelloAtMega | there are more errors |
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| 21:42.39 | HelloAtMega | but I was talking about the sda1, i guess |
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| 21:43.39 | greycat | All I see is "/dev/sda1: clean, 953106/7495680 files, ..." |
| 21:43.51 | greycat | Which looks like a successful fsck in some mode or other. |
| 21:44.03 | HelloAtMega | hum, ok then |
| 21:44.19 | HelloAtMega | what about the other 2 errors, do you have a clue? |
| 21:45.48 | greycat | What other two? |
| 21:46.02 | greycat | I see something about a usb, and something about rpcbind |
| 21:46.33 | greycat | If all of your devices are working, the usb one can probably be ignored. If your NFS and shit is working, the rpcbind can probably be ignored. |
| 21:46.49 | greycat | Most people do not use rpcbind for anything but NIS/NFS. |
| 21:46.56 | HelloAtMega | ok |
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| 21:47.07 | HelloAtMega | I need to read about what is rcpbind |
| 21:47.12 | greycat | ,info rpcbind |
| 21:47.13 | judd | Package rpcbind (net, standard) in jessie/amd64: converts RPC program numbers into universal addresses. Version: 0.2.1-6+deb8u1; Size: 40.6k; Installed: 99k; Homepage: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rpcbind/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/rpcbind |
| 21:47.13 | HelloAtMega | rpcbind |
| 21:47.40 | greycat | Not a very helpful description. It's used by NIS and NFS. That's basically all you really need to know. |
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| 21:48.07 | HelloAtMega | Unfortunately I also don't know what's NIS and NFS |
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| 21:48.19 | HelloAtMega | but don't bother |
| 21:48.25 | HelloAtMega | I'll Google it |
| 21:48.38 | HelloAtMega | Only one more question |
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| 21:49.09 | HelloAtMega | Is it normal that when I'm using, for instance, Gnome, that I can't copy files/folders from ext4 to NTFS filesystems? |
| 21:49.11 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: Do learn to distinguish between "Errors" and "Messages". It will help. |
| 21:49.31 | jhutchins | HelloAtMega: If you don't know about those yet, don't sweat it. THey're networking things. |
| 21:49.34 | HelloAtMega | I always get the "copy" option greyed out |
| 21:49.45 | jhutchins | !ntfs |
| 21:49.45 | dpkg | Windows NT File System (NTFS) has drivers available in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and a <FUSE> driver providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <label>. http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
| 21:50.17 | greycat | how does that factoid not mention ntfs-3g anywhere |
| 21:50.29 | sypher | !ntfsrw |
| 21:50.29 | HelloAtMega | yeah, I nkew about ntfs-3g |
| 21:50.29 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 21:50.33 | HelloAtMega | for quite sometime |
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| 21:51.28 | HelloAtMega | apt-cache policy is to get package dependencies, right? |
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| 21:52.48 | HelloAtMega | I think I have ntfs-3g installed |
| 21:52.54 | gamerscomplete | Does debian backports update the version number of a package, or will the major version number stay the same and patches applied be represented in the bpo version? |
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| 21:53.18 | HelloAtMega | even with this package installed, it's normal that copy/paste is unavailable between ext4 and NTFS? |
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| 21:54.16 | HelloAtMega | !ntfrrw |
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| 21:56.53 | gamerscomplete | HelloAtMega: What are you trying to copy and paste between filesystems |
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| 21:58.29 | supermick007 | Hello World |
| 21:58.33 | HelloAtMega | gamerscomplete, 2 files |
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| 21:59.22 | gamerscomplete | HelloAtMega: If you can't copy a file between 2 filesystems, its likely you either have a corrupted filesystem or your ntfs is not working correctly. |
| 21:59.31 | gamerscomplete | How are you trying to do this copy? cli or gui? |
| 22:00.17 | HelloAtMega | I can't do it via gui |
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| 22:00.24 | HelloAtMega | I can only perform it via cli |
| 22:00.35 | gamerscomplete | what are you doing it in the gui with? nautilus? |
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| 22:01.00 | HelloAtMega | It's the one that comes with Gnome |
| 22:01.14 | HelloAtMega | I'm not sure if it's Nautilus |
| 22:01.18 | HelloAtMega | Gnome 3, I guess |
| 22:01.19 | gamerscomplete | I think thats nautilus |
| 22:01.27 | gamerscomplete | does it generate any sort of error? |
| 22:02.17 | HelloAtMega | no |
| 22:02.25 | HelloAtMega | I just get the options greyed out |
| 22:04.37 | HelloAtMega | gamerscomplete, do you know a friendly way of knowing which of the /dev devices is my usb pen drive? |
| 22:04.54 | HelloAtMega | My Gparted doesn't starts |
| 22:04.59 | HelloAtMega | don't know why |
| 22:05.09 | c-c | many use gnome-disks |
| 22:05.32 | c-c | also udisks |
| 22:05.33 | at0m | or lsusb with it connected and without |
| 22:06.04 | at0m | or ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 22:06.13 | HelloAtMega | oh man... I think my Debian really needs to be formated |
| 22:06.14 | relox | df -h |
| 22:06.16 | c-c | I think the "defacto" way would be lshw |
| 22:06.33 | relox | you'll see your mount points if its mounted |
| 22:06.37 | at0m | HelloAtMega: this isn't your other OS |
| 22:06.52 | HelloAtMega | No, this is actually my main OS |
| 22:07.03 | at0m | pmount is nice to mount removables |
| 22:07.23 | HelloAtMega | let me try the options that were given here |
| 22:07.52 | at0m | just don't try the reformat you suggested ;p |
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| 22:08.42 | c-c | I guess $ df -h gives you the same as $ lshw | grep logical |
| 22:09.00 | tematibr | Is it normal that apache2.4 runs 3 process (instead of 1) on debian: one under root and two under www-data? Seems kind of strange to me. |
| 22:09.14 | c-c | tematibr: why not? |
| 22:09.17 | tematibr | Because the server is not under any load |
| 22:09.35 | tematibr | what is it doing? |
| 22:09.38 | at0m | tematibr: the servers under ww-data, and a root process to make sure its alive? |
| 22:09.39 | c-c | tematibr: ask about apache processes in #apache or #httpd |
| 22:10.11 | at0m | no red flags on that one |
| 22:10.21 | tematibr | c-c: just thought that it might be a debian thing |
| 22:10.42 | c-c | I guess: one process for responding to requests and one for middleware |
| 22:11.02 | c-c | hehe |
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| 22:20.45 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
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| 22:21.04 | neilthereildeil | i am trying to build a vanilla kernel using the Debian package build system |
| 22:21.16 | neilthereildeil | i did make-kpkg -j9 --initrd kernel_image |
| 22:21.28 | neilthereildeil | but the produced deb does not have kernel headers |
| 22:21.37 | markybob | yeah that sucks. make-kpkg isn't supported anymore |
| 22:21.40 | neilthereildeil | so when i install it on the target machine, there are no headers |
| 22:21.47 | neilthereildeil | how can i install headers? |
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| 22:22.13 | markybob | !tell neilthereildeil about kernel handbook |
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| 22:22.17 | teraflops | You missed the kernel_headers part |
| 22:22.18 | neilthereildeil | can i just do "make headers_install" in the kernel tree and specify a dir and copy it? |
| 22:22.24 | markybob | neilthereildeil: read 4.5 and 4.6 to do it properly |
| 22:22.45 | teraflops | But as markybob says is not the recommended way anymore |
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| 22:26.20 | neilthereildeil | that link talks about installing stock debian headers |
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| 22:26.26 | neilthereildeil | as a package |
| 22:26.35 | neilthereildeil | but how about headers from my build tree? |
| 22:27.21 | markybob | neilthereildeil: you didn't keep reading. |
| 22:27.23 | teraflops | Because the command is make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 22:28.20 | markybob | neithat's 4.6 |
| 22:28.46 | markybob | neilthereildeil: 4.6 |
| 22:29.01 | neilthereildeil | hmm im ready 4.6 |
| 22:29.11 | neilthereildeil | i dont see a mention of "header" |
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| 22:38.28 | TomTomTosch | make deb-pkg generates a bunch of .deb, one of which is the headers, if i recall correctly. |
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| 22:42.58 | beagleboner | helo |
| 22:43.24 | teraflops | Ehlo |
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| 22:51.29 | mutante | i use the "terminator" package (multiple gnome terminals in one window). do you happen to know how i can close one of the multiple terminals if i cant type "exit" because it froze, for example when it was a remote terminal via ssh and then i closed the laptop |
| 22:51.41 | mutante | without closing the entire window |
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| 22:54.57 | jmcnaught | mutante: ssh has an escape key ~. to close a frozen session |
| 22:55.43 | mutante | jmcnaught: that works! thank you |
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| 22:56.20 | pflanze | Hello. Has anyone figured out how to change font size in rxvt-unicode, when using a ttf font (xft)? |
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| 22:58.34 | Marenz | Greetings |
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| 22:58.51 | pflanze | woow, finally, that worked: printf '\e]710;%s\007' "xft:Inconsolata:pixelsize=20" |
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| 23:00.11 | Marenz | If I have an 2 interfaces A and B that can be used to access the internet, can I somehow favour one over the other? I have only one applicatoin that I want to use interface B and it will bind explicitly to it, where as everything else should use interface A |
| 23:00.16 | Marenz | -an |
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| 23:03.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is happening now? is it using only one for outgoing connections, or both |
| 23:03.55 | Marenz | It all goes through interface B once it's setup through the vpn client |
| 23:04.50 | mrrhq | Marenz: All I know is you can use "allow-hotplug" or "auto" to start up interfaces based on if the connection becomes available, or the latter for doing it automatically no matter what. |
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| 23:05.38 | mrrhq | There's a more complicated way you could do it using source scripts. |
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| 23:06.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that would mean you could just (somehow) reverse the device order and everything would go through A |
| 23:07.47 | Marenz | Hmm by phrasing my initial question I finally found some terms I can feed to google |
| 23:07.55 | Marenz | and it seems to be mainly related to the order of the routing table entries |
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| 23:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also ifenslave |
| 23:10.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | which doesn't answer your question but is interesting anyway |
| 23:10.48 | beagleboner | Marenz: you can set different routes to different hosts. |
| 23:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess routing order would make sense |
| 23:11.10 | Marenz | beagleboner, it's not a single or even range of hosts though |
| 23:11.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | any packet would just be routed following the first routing rule that applies |
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| 23:15.31 | Marenz | My default routes look like this now: |
| 23:15.33 | Marenz | default 10.4.0.1 128.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 tun0 |
| 23:15.33 | Marenz | default supra 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 23:15.57 | Marenz | I don't know why the one has a mask |
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| 23:16.11 | Marenz | but I believe the mask makes it more specific while still generic enough for the internet |
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| 23:20.05 | ^v | wondering if i can dist-upgrade from ubuntu 14.04 to debian jessie |
| 23:20.25 | ^v | (i know it sounds like a stupid idea) |
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| 23:23.31 | Aorious | Hi, How can I find the cause of, "The failing step is: Install the system"? |
| 23:24.13 | mrrhq | ^v: Probably is. Best to (backup and) install Debian. |
| 23:24.56 | Aorious | mrrhq, I have attempted installation twice, both have failed. The error message presented is not suffiently verbose. |
| 23:25.25 | ^v | Aorious, he was responding to me BTW |
| 23:25.44 | Aorious | Oh yh, opps. |
| 23:25.47 | ^v | Aorious, which version are you installing? |
| 23:25.53 | Aorious | 8.4 |
| 23:26.02 | ^v | and through what medium are you installing it from |
| 23:26.25 | mrrhq | Aorious: Did you use Unetbootin to put Debian on your CD/DVD or flash drive? |
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| 23:26.49 | Aorious | A test install on the virtual machine, using the LiveISO. |
| 23:27.10 | ^v | so a VM? |
| 23:27.24 | Aorious | The "Hybrid" ISO. |
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| 23:27.36 | Aorious | ^v, Yes, a VM. |
| 23:27.45 | ^v | htm |
| 23:27.47 | ^v | hrm |
| 23:28.05 | ^v | what software, i know i got jessie live ISO working flawlessly with VirtualBox |
| 23:28.08 | mrrhq | Aorious: Maybe you need more space or RAM. I've always been able to install the XFCE and minimal installs of Debian before. Are you using the full installer? |
| 23:28.25 | Aorious | mrrhq, It has 16GB. |
| 23:28.33 | Aorious | 6GB* |
| 23:28.48 | mrrhq | Aorious: That's probably not enough. |
| 23:29.11 | Aorious | 10 GB of Disk over two drives, 6GB of RAM. |
| 23:29.52 | mrrhq | Aorious: Well you definantly have enough ram... Hmm, not sure if 10GB is enough for a full install. Try XFCE install maybe. |
| 23:29.54 | Aorious | ^v, Using virtual box, the version in the Debain Stable repo. |
| 23:30.32 | mrrhq | Or give it maybe 20GB. |
| 23:30.34 | Aorious | mrrhq, I can assign more far more disk space. Thanks, I will try that. |
| 23:31.12 | Aorious | ^v, Thanks |
| 23:31.36 | ^v | o_O thats exactly the virtualbox im using |
| 23:37.02 | mrrhq | Ever since they moved virtualbox into contrib, I've just been using plain QEMU/KVM. |
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| 23:50.11 | Aorious | ^v: mrrhq: It worked! Thanks you. |
| 23:53.02 | mrrhq | Aorious: Actually suprised it did, sweet. |
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