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| 00:02.28 | awwal | But i had a trouble with the i386 system swap uuid. fixed it editing fstab file and changing the swap uuid |
| 00:04.10 | awwal | Why the fstab file isn't updated automatically by 'i dont know what' or why the new swap uuid isn't detected by the "old" system? |
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| 00:04.36 | awwal | preexisting debian system ^ |
| 00:07.56 | teraflops | awwal: uuid changes when formatting or repartitioning a drive, so I guess it's fine |
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| 00:09.20 | awwal | teraflops, ok :) |
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| 00:11.03 | ex-parrot | anyone know what's happened to linux-image-4.4.0-1-grsec-amd64 in jessie-backports? |
| 00:12.29 | markybob | ex-parrot: it became 4.5 |
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| 00:12.47 | markybob | ex-parrot: https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64 |
| 00:13.06 | ex-parrot | woo |
| 00:13.15 | teraflops | time flies! |
| 00:13.21 | ex-parrot | the linux-image-grsec-amd64 package sitll depends on 4.4 |
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| 00:19.56 | wiml | How do I make ifup bring up a logical interface at boot? I have a USB wifi interface on a beaglebone, and I can bring it up with "ifup wlan0=my_config_name", but I can't get it o do the right thing at boot time. |
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| 00:21.32 | preta | hello |
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| 00:22.08 | preta | spanish? |
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| 00:23.10 | awwal | preta, para español #debian-es aquà en inglés solamente :P |
| 00:23.19 | preta | gracias |
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| 00:35.50 | andril | hello |
| 00:36.09 | andril | anyone experiencing issues with freezing of gnome-shell |
| 00:36.58 | mandd_2 | on start? got firewall? |
| 00:37.47 | andril | just doing random things i notice Plank stops updating then the window i am using is not responding but the mouse moves - no click |
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| 00:38.10 | mandd_2 | wireless mouse? |
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| 00:38.25 | andril | laptop, no wireless |
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| 00:39.48 | mandd_2 | nothing in logs? |
| 00:41.03 | andril | too n00b for logs - how can i do that |
| 00:43.18 | mandd_2 | in terminal, #sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog and just leave terminal window running someplace visible, next time it freezes.. perhaps it will write it to log and you'll see |
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| 00:49.59 | vaq | Hi, I got a file containing char \t (not an actual TAB delimiter) how can I remove those? |
| 00:50.39 | jmcnaught | vaq: in the filename or inside the file? |
| 00:50.53 | vaq | jmcnaught: inside the file |
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| 00:51.36 | jmcnaught | if it's just a single character are you having trouble deleting it with a text editor? |
| 00:52.13 | vaq | jmcnaught: it's not a single char, file contains a lot of them |
| 00:53.28 | jmcnaught | vaq: if you can construct a pattern that matches it you can use sed to search and replace, or :%s in vim |
| 00:53.30 | vaq | I tried tr -d " \t" but tr thinks is a real tab it should delete and not the car |
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| 00:54.46 | jmcnaught | vaq: is it two characters, a backslash and then a 't'? |
| 00:55.04 | vaq | jmcnaught: \t |
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| 00:55.45 | jmcnaught | vaq: yes so you said. perhaps you could provide a sample line |
| 00:56.02 | vaq | that is the sample line. |
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| 00:58.50 | jmcnaught | vaq: so did you try something like "sed -i 's/\\t//' file"? |
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| 01:21.49 | awwal | 8.5 is ready :P |
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| 01:22.05 | mandd_2 | ++ |
| 01:23.02 | mandd_2 | who's responsible for hosting debian wiki? |
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| 01:23.43 | awwal | I always have been suspicious about chromium leaving a lot of browsing history even if deleted when exiting the app or using bleachbit or similar pkgs .... 'synapse' confirms that :( |
| 01:24.07 | mandd_2 | I always have been suspicious about chromium. |
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| 01:24.43 | markybob | mandd_2: #debian-www on oftc (not freenode). plus there's a mailing list |
| 01:27.36 | mandd_2 | thanks markybob, issue already on mailing list :( |
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| 01:29.37 | letsfindout | so I was using touch to set files to a specific timestamp, but it only changes the "access" and "modify" timestamps, not the "change" timestamp? how can I set that one? |
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| 02:10.31 | awwal | How to make 'ncdu' delete files/directories sending them to trash instead of deleting them definitely? |
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| 02:13.16 | c-c | ncurses, you probably cant do that for delete |
| 02:13.35 | c-c | awwal: is there a reason you dont simply move the files to trash? |
| 02:13.35 | jmcnaught | awwal: i don't use ncdu, but does it have a move feature? |
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| 02:14.39 | c-c | letsfindout: modify the file |
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| 02:16.03 | awwal | jmcnaught, no it doesn't have the move feature. but it's an very interesting if it had it ! |
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| 02:16.49 | awwal | jmcnaught, ncdu is very good utility, you may want to try it :) |
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| 02:19.31 | jmcnaught | awwal: to be honest if du isn't working for me i usually just use baobab |
| 02:19.31 | awwal | its more confortable and efficient browse Home with it then with x file manager |
| 02:20.56 | awwal | jmcnaught, I use du too, but I just find that ncruses frontend clean and more user friendly when no much time :P |
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| 02:21.41 | jmcnaught | awwal: thanks i'll keep it in mind |
| 02:25.02 | letsfindout | c-c: I want to set it to a specific time |
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| 02:30.11 | awwal | c-c, I use 'ncdu' almost when I'm out of disk space , find which files/dirs occupy more space then delete the undesired stuff. delete/move is just if any keyboard error |
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| 02:30.32 | awwal | delete/move to trash ^ |
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| 02:36.01 | atralheaven1 | quick question, to kill a process by its name, I should use "pkill" right? |
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| 02:38.00 | somiaj | atralheaven1: that is one way |
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| 02:38.51 | piercedwater | i use kill -9 # |
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| 02:40.09 | jmcnaught | piercedwater: after just "kill #" doesn't work? |
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| 02:40.21 | piercedwater | well, i should elaborate |
| 02:40.32 | piercedwater | ps aux | grep application-name |
| 02:40.40 | atralheaven1 | thanks |
| 02:40.41 | piercedwater | then find the process number, then "kill -9 #" |
| 02:40.53 | piercedwater | replacing # with the process number |
| 02:40.56 | piercedwater | np |
| 02:41.01 | jmcnaught | piercedwater: you should try killing it without -9 first |
| 02:41.09 | piercedwater | ah ok |
| 02:41.19 | piercedwater | good to know |
| 02:41.32 | piercedwater | gotta make sure my killer instincts are correct ;) |
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| 02:42.48 | jmcnaught | piercedwater: kill without -9 sends SIGTERM which the program and hopefully receive and have a chance to stop gracefully, close files, release resources etc |
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| 02:43.21 | piercedwater | i will start doing that then |
| 02:43.22 | jmcnaught | piercedwater: kill -9 sends SIGKILL which is sudden death |
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| 02:56.17 | Gaiseric | Heh, did Debian 8.5 just come out? |
| 02:56.18 | Gaiseric | :D |
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| 02:56.55 | vekxie | hi |
| 02:57.35 | awwal | Gaiseric, seems yeah. |
| 02:57.44 | awwal | check debian news |
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| 02:57.47 | vekxie | i installed openbox and tint2 as a panel, but when i put: tint2 & in the .config/openbox/autostart file, tint2 doesn't start when i log in. Why? |
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| 03:00.00 | somiaj | vekxie: does it work if you run it from a console? Do you need a full path. I'd suggest asking in an openbox channel |
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| 03:01.09 | vekxie | somiaj, i can launch it in a terminal yes. |
| 03:01.24 | cluelessperson | Hi there, audacity doesn't seem to work for me |
| 03:01.28 | cluelessperson | Does anyone know why? |
| 03:01.55 | jeep | cluelessperson: yes most likely something not configured properly |
| 03:02.20 | nedstark | #ubuntu probably knows why |
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| 03:03.03 | Horachi | hey, so after i updated to 8.5 my sound suddenly stopped working |
| 03:03.13 | Horachi | alsamixer is showing its at full volume |
| 03:03.32 | nedstark | install pulse audio volume control, it's better |
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| 03:04.44 | SQL | Any suggestions for an easy-to-setup web based LDAP manager that would run on Debian? Nothing but trouble out of fusion or lam. |
| 03:04.55 | Horachi | nedstark: that would be pavucontrol, right? |
| 03:05.16 | awwal | Whats the goal of 'slim' and 'wdm' not allowing poweroff? lets halt/reboot but not poweroff. I dont get it :P |
| 03:05.58 | nedstark | yes |
| 03:06.36 | awwal | almost wdm, slim allows poweroff as root |
| 03:07.26 | Horachi | wow |
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| 03:07.39 | Horachi | that fixed it immediately nedstark |
| 03:07.40 | Horachi | ty |
| 03:07.48 | Gaiseric | awwal: I've long stopped believing Linux DEs are reasonable user interfaces, I now just enjoy them for what they are. |
| 03:07.54 | Horachi | any ideas why the update killed alsamixer though? |
| 03:08.07 | Gaiseric | recalls Gnome 3 as the starting point of that |
| 03:08.35 | awwal | Gaiseric, :P |
| 03:09.50 | awwal | Horachi, have you rebooted after updating? |
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| 03:10.00 | Horachi | yeah |
| 03:10.59 | awwal | Horachi, not sure so |
| 03:11.52 | Horachi | hmm |
| 03:12.47 | awwal | sometimes (if no reboot) X process, library...became obsolete after an update and may stop stuff. 'needrestart' pkg is very useful in that case |
| 03:13.53 | Horachi | ty awwal |
| 03:13.58 | somiaj | sometimes reboots can cause issues with audio cards when drivers are loaded in a differnt order |
| 03:15.53 | cluelessperson | jeep, That's helpful. the question is if debian doesn anything weird |
| 03:15.59 | Horachi | I do quite like pulseaudio a lot more than alsa already |
| 03:16.11 | Horachi | alsa made my speakers sound so low |
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| 03:16.51 | nedstark | pulse sits on top on alsa |
| 03:17.00 | nedstark | pulse audio makes alsa great again |
| 03:23.18 | awwal | cluelessperson, that can happen of course. but debian is a free community project, anyone can help for make things better... Every time we login into Console we all see "Debian gnu/linux comes with absolutely no warranty" :P |
| 03:25.24 | shadows | nedstark: so... pulse audio is the donald trump to alsa's america? |
| 03:25.27 | shadows | so confused. |
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| 03:26.49 | markybob | shadows: how the fuck are we supposed to know what you mean? don't bring politics and off topic shit into this |
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| 03:30.29 | jeep | cluelessperson: yeah i know run the mixer from/ sound program from a terminal might be able to get a error message to narrow it down |
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| 03:36.03 | somiaj | alsa is the set of sound drivers for the linux kernel. pulseaudio is an audo tool on top of alsa that many desktops use. |
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| 03:37.45 | cluelessperson | Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory |
| 03:37.45 | cluelessperson | Cannot connect to server request channel |
| 03:37.46 | cluelessperson | jack server is not running or cannot be started |
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| 03:38.23 | somiaj | what software is this. Jack is an older sound server that i don't see used much anymore. Could it be y ou have to configure the software to use somethign else? |
| 03:39.12 | jmcnaught | jack is commonly used for audio production because it's lowlatency and lets you pipe audio between tools |
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| 03:39.43 | somiaj | I also think you can install it in debian, I just don't hear about it much anymore |
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| 03:41.22 | foreverska | is .xinitrc still a thing? I put one on my debian VM but it doesn't seem to work |
| 03:41.27 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: audacity on jessie doesn't depend on jack. does it run okay for a different user, or if you temporarily move its config directory? |
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| 03:48.51 | somiaj | foreverska: debian prefers .xsession, .xinitrc is only read by xinit and I think the standard wrappers in debian (including displaymanagers) read .xsession isntead |
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| 04:04.06 | Gaiseric | Strange, in the past reinstalling flashplugin-nonfree would download the latest version with wget during the installation, but this doesn't happen right now? (Firefox complains that my installed version of the plugin is vulnerable) |
| 04:05.36 | jmcnaught | Gaiseric: that package has an "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" command that is supposed to get the newest version, but Adobe often changes the URL scheme |
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| 04:06.21 | jmcnaught | i think some others have had similar problems, you could check the package's bugs at http://bugs.debian.org/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 04:07.05 | Gaiseric | jmcnaught: I see, thank you! (thankfully I don't need that soon-to-be-extinct piece of crapware all that much) |
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| 04:08.51 | jmcnaught | Gaiseric: i've gone without it for years. if you're using amd64 there's also https://wiki.debian.org/Freshplayerplugin |
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| 04:15.39 | Gaiseric | jmcnaught: I also rarely need it, perhaps once every few months... and I only activate it explicitely. Thanks for bringing Freshplayerplugin to my attention - potentially useful. |
| 04:16.18 | Gaiseric | g/explicitely/explicitly/ |
| 04:16.22 | Gaiseric | needs sleep |
| 04:16.36 | jmcnaught | you only need the package from jessie-backports, the compilation instructions are historical |
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| 04:24.18 | kepeken | <code of conduct> |
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| 04:25.26 | jmcnaught | kepeken: you might've meant "/msg dpkg code of conduct" ? |
| 04:26.17 | kepeken | yes, i'm sorry for the mistake |
| 04:26.27 | jmcnaught | no worries |
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| 05:10.42 | f-a | I use wpa_supplicant and dhclient to connect to the internet, unfortunately my wifi signal sucks so now and then I get disconnected |
| 05:11.24 | f-a | is there a way to tell wpa_supplicant "when you reconnect, please invoke `sudo dhclient wlan0`?" |
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| 05:24.38 | Wulf | f-a: I think you can use its control interface to receive events |
| 05:24.51 | Wulf | f-a: programs like network-manager do the same, from what I know. |
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| 05:28.24 | f-a | ohhh, nice. Thanks Wulf |
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| 06:19.46 | xormor | so I already have 8.5 because I have jessie-proposed-updates. |
| 06:20.55 | jmcnaught | !tell xormor about cross post |
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| 06:23.27 | fennesz | Hello ! Is there a way I can shrink the top bar in gnome? |
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| 06:32.00 | jmcnaught | fennesz: there is probably a file somewhere you can edit or put a modified copy of in /usr/local, the way that GNOME developers probably intend you to use that space is to make the program full screen |
| 06:33.10 | jmcnaught | fennesz: with F11 or super+F11. some GNOME applications sort use the top bar as their title bar when maximized, but the epiphany browser is the only one i can think of that actually does this in jessie |
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| 06:34.27 | jmcnaught | or maybe something on https://extensions.gnome.org/ |
| 06:34.46 | fennesz | jmcnaught, in hexchat f11 goes fullscreen . But I would like to have the top bar visible all the times , just with smaller size-fonts |
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| 06:37.16 | fennesz | jmcnaught, there is "hide top bar" extension . This also hides the top bar |
| 06:37.47 | Aaron | hello ya'll I have a quick question how come every time my debian boots I cannot see the Tty1 on boot, after boot I can see it fine. now on boot I can't see the terminals any ideas? |
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| 06:42.20 | jmcnaught | Aaron: what do you see? what do you normally do after boot to get the virtual consoles back? that's not working now? |
| 06:42.51 | Aaron | jmcnaught: I cannot see the progress of the boot, I only see gdm3 after it boots. |
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| 06:45.22 | jmcnaught | Aaron: grub2 defaults to having quiet on the kernel command line. you can change it in /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub |
| 06:46.03 | Aaron | ok for which type of line I'm I looking for? |
| 06:46.43 | Aaron | # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only) |
| 06:46.43 | Aaron | #GRUB_TERMINAL=console |
| 06:46.49 | Aaron | #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 |
| 06:47.01 | Aaron | I got those two lines |
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| 06:48.55 | Aaron | jmcnaught: okay and on the quiet line what do I put????? |
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| 06:53.26 | jmcnaught | Aaron: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" |
| 06:53.57 | Aaron | do I remove it? |
| 06:54.03 | Aaron | or put a # for a comment. |
| 06:54.36 | jmcnaught | Aaron: no just change it to "", and add a new comment documenting the change, reason, and date |
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| 06:55.22 | Aaron | Ok |
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| 06:56.05 | Aaron | let's hope I can see it; |
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| 07:08.06 | Junka | which package updates the repo cache? |
| 07:08.28 | Aaron | apt, |
| 07:08.56 | Junka | i dont think apt does this automatically |
| 07:09.22 | Junka | is it? |
| 07:09.26 | Aaron | nope you have to do apt-get update; && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:09.57 | Junka | yes ofc, but i was wondering what updates the repo data on the default gnome install |
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| 07:10.44 | Junka | packagekit? |
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| 07:17.56 | fennesz | Guys I would like to run htop on a specific geometry/size . I have found gnome-terminal --geometry , but how can I run htop on this terminal automatically |
| 07:19.06 | Aaron | write some type of. shell script, |
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| 07:24.16 | musca | fennesz: you can create a profile in gnome-terminal and set a command to run |
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| 07:32.24 | musca | fennesz: And for the profile "htop" you can create a launcher (a *.desktop file) with the command: gnome-terminal --window-with-profile="htop" --working-directory=/home/fennesz/bin |
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| 07:34.13 | SpeedyG | hi, every time I reboot my computer, I have to 'reset' my audio settings through pavucontrol to the 3.5mm jack instead of hdmi output... is there a way to save this setting persistently? |
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| 07:38.36 | fennesz | thank you musca |
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| 07:56.44 | xar- | hi #debian |
| 07:57.23 | xar- | I installed the ntp service, how come it isn't listed if I do: `systemctl list-unit-files --type=service | grep ntp` |
| 08:00.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably because it still uses a file in init.d |
| 08:01.34 | xar- | it looks like some systemd bullshit, sigh |
| 08:01.36 | dutchfish | xar-, what does `timedatectl status` tells you? |
| 08:01.48 | xar- | apparently units and unit files are "not the same thing" |
| 08:01.56 | xar- | god this is so confusing... |
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| 08:02.28 | xar- | dutchfish: it shows me a lot of stuff |
| 08:02.38 | xar- | NTP enabled: no |
| 08:02.54 | xar- | NTP synchronized: no |
| 08:02.57 | xar- | :( |
| 08:03.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno.. manpage says To list all units installed on the system, use the list-unit-files command instead |
| 08:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | (at the -a option) |
| 08:04.05 | xar- | found this humorous: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/3324 |
| 08:04.22 | xar- | I admit, even after reading the diff, I still don't understand ha |
| 08:04.48 | dutchfish | xar-, have you done `systemctl enable ntpd service` ? |
| 08:05.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 08:05.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, my laptop says the same |
| 08:05.30 | dutchfish | xar-, normally thats done automagically on install of ntpd daemon |
| 08:05.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | and so does the desktop at work |
| 08:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still, ntp is running |
| 08:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think ntp is just not really integrated into the systemd stuff |
| 08:06.17 | xar- | yup I did that, but now do I also need to mess with that magical 'timedatectl' ? |
| 08:06.28 | xar- | I have equally 0 clue what timedatectl does |
| 08:07.01 | xar- | # timedatectl set-ntp true |
| 08:07.02 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, xar- here is how mine looks on local clock http://paste.debian.net/714555/ |
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| 08:07.38 | xar- | so yours is synchronized, but not enabled |
| 08:07.39 | xar- | hm |
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| 08:08.06 | dutchfish | xar-, its confusing i admit |
| 08:08.24 | dutchfish | xar-, `ntpq -p` is your friend |
| 08:08.37 | xar- | the systemd is insult to injury, I was super comfortable with wheezy, jessie... grinds my gears sometimes |
| 08:08.58 | dutchfish | xar-, i dont do ranting, i just try to help |
| 08:09.14 | xar- | no no i appreciate it |
| 08:09.29 | xar- | ntpq -p works |
| 08:09.52 | xar- | timedatectl set-ntp true worked |
| 08:10.01 | xar- | now it says enabled and synchronized |
| 08:10.11 | dutchfish | xar-, and `sudo ntptime` ? |
| 08:10.25 | xar- | systemd-timesyncd[26258]: Using NTP server 104.232.3.3:123 (0.debian.pool.ntp.org). |
| 08:10.32 | xar- | sec |
| 08:10.51 | xar- | ntpime returns... a lot of data, looks like its working |
| 08:11.11 | dutchfish | xar-, look for OK status (twice) |
| 08:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | xar-, well, #635752 |
| 08:11.18 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/635752 in ntp (open, patch): «ntp: Please include systemd service file»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2011-07-28; last modified: 2015-10-25. |
| 08:11.20 | xar- | yup I see it |
| 08:11.22 | xar- | twice |
| 08:11.34 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, we know ;) |
| 08:11.46 | dutchfish | xar-, then you are good to go |
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| 08:12.10 | SpeedyG | wow, opened in 2011 ... |
| 08:12.17 | xar- | thank you very much; most of the time the systemd stuff stays outta my way, but man when it comes a callin', I'm in the dark :( |
| 08:12.21 | dutchfish | xar-, dont let the systemd service hook distract you |
| 08:12.39 | SpeedyG | quite the backlog :) |
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| 08:13.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | xar-, what is really your problem? |
| 08:13.16 | dutchfish | xar-, it will be fixed in the future, ntp has its own bunch of quircks btw |
| 08:13.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... my systems show the same thing, but ntp is up and running and syncing time |
| 08:13.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and so is yours... |
| 08:13.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what's the deal |
| 08:13.56 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, none, unless you insist to manually edit the systemd hooks |
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| 08:14.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot ethernet cable! |
| 08:14.22 | xar- | so in short, `apt-get install ntp`; configure /etc/ntp.conf, then do `systemctl enable ntp.service`, then `timedatectl set-ntp true`, then check `ntptime` for two OK messages and `ntpq -p` |
| 08:14.36 | dutchfish | xar-, correct |
| 08:14.49 | xar- | ok I can script all of that, thank you very much again for your help |
| 08:14.56 | dutchfish | xar-, yw |
| 08:15.23 | babilen | justs uses chrony |
| 08:15.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | tha sounds... corrupt |
| 08:15.41 | xar- | what are the pros cons using chrony vs ntp; I 've never heard of chrony |
| 08:15.46 | dutchfish | babilen, not a bad choice there are more solution btw |
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| 08:16.58 | dutchfish | xar-, too my humble opinion, ntp wins if your source ntp stratum 0 are correct, if not chrony is sometimes better (more stable) |
| 08:17.18 | dutchfish | xar-, ntp can swing out of bands |
| 08:17.23 | babilen | xar-: https://chrony.tuxfamily.org/comparison.html is their comparison (probably biased) |
| 08:17.52 | SpeedyG | xar-: a;sp. https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/System_Administrators_Guide/ch-Configuring_NTP_Using_the_chrony_Suite.html#sect-differences_between_ntpd_and_chronyd describes some of the differences :) |
| 08:18.05 | xar- | thank you |
| 08:18.12 | dutchfish | babilen, SpeedyG thanks |
| 08:18.12 | xar- | (everyone) |
| 08:18.44 | xar- | how mature would you say chrony is? |
| 08:19.00 | dutchfish | xar-, half way, unless you know what you are doing |
| 08:19.14 | dutchfish | <-- timenut |
| 08:19.17 | xar- | so, not quite ready for production? |
| 08:19.28 | dutchfish | xar-, depends |
| 08:19.40 | dutchfish | xar-, read what i have said |
| 08:19.41 | xar- | ok, I'll research :) |
| 08:19.53 | dutchfish | xar-, gl |
| 08:19.56 | SpeedyG | xar-: given that RedHat has it as default in RHEL7 it could be considered 'ready for production' ... but as dutchfish says :) |
| 08:20.46 | SpeedyG | (studying for my rhce as we speak... so.. sorry for mixing in RHEL into a debian discussion ;) ) |
| 08:21.19 | xar- | I use RHEL a lot too, I didn't realize that, thank you SpeedyG |
| 08:21.20 | dutchfish | SpeedyG, at least you are studying, thats something ;) |
| 08:21.26 | babilen | SpeedyG: Perspective is never a problem .. Just because this is #debian doesn't mean that standards of other distros are irrelevant :) |
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| 08:27.37 | Psychiatrist | Hey guys, I put my computer to sleep yesterday now today my Wifi is not working. rfkill shows that it's hard-blocked but I don't have a wifi switch on my computer nor do I have any option to disable it in my bios |
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| 08:28.25 | Psychiatrist | Currently I'm on Debian and internet works with cable. I tried logging into Windows but in there even with cable I cannot get access. |
| 08:29.09 | Psychiatrist | Any ideas what could've caused this ? Can my Wifi-card by fried? |
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| 08:36.24 | babilen | Psychiatrist: Did you try unblocking it? |
| 08:36.48 | babilen | (using rfkill) |
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| 08:38.37 | Psychiatrist | babilen, yes, rfkill unblock all did not work |
| 08:39.34 | babilen | Anything of interest in "dmesg" if you reload the module? |
| 08:39.57 | babilen | And just to confirm: Wifi isn't working in Windows either? |
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| 08:40.34 | Psychiatrist | yes, in Windows nothing is working. |
| 08:41.13 | Psychiatrist | babilen, What should I look for exactly in dmesg |
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| 08:43.27 | babilen | Run "lspci -knn|grep -A2 network" and reload the module of your card, then "dmesg|tail -n23" and check for errors |
| 08:43.44 | babilen | err, make that "grep -A2 -rie network" |
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| 08:44.45 | babilen | Psychiatrist: Okay, once again: 1. Run "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -ie network" and then 2. "dmesg|tail -n23" |
| 08:44.53 | babilen | Check for errors and anything suspicious |
| 08:45.04 | belle105 | pseudo ? |
| 08:45.09 | Pseudo | hi belle105 |
| 08:45.13 | belle105 | hi |
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| 08:45.16 | Psychiatrist | babilen, Alright, thanks. Will do. |
| 08:45.20 | Pseudo | do u use debian OS |
| 08:45.34 | belle105 | mac |
| 08:45.37 | Pseudo | belle105: you should to start using debian and its free |
| 08:45.49 | Pseudo | if you have an older computers |
| 08:45.54 | belle105 | i don't thin i would i am not techie |
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| 08:46.09 | belle105 | think * |
| 08:46.11 | Pseudo | well you can just start learning it now |
| 08:46.47 | belle105 | its not going to happen soon . i have other problems to take care of and my ability to concentrate is impaired |
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| 08:46.52 | rickardv_ | The "Installing Debian 8.5" page points to 8.4.0, it's a bit confusing? (or wrong?) |
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| 08:46.59 | Pseudo | belle105: actually here is for a debian support channel in freenode |
| 08:47.35 | Pseudo | maybe u would like some socials channel to talk anthing abt off-topic |
| 08:47.40 | belle105 | i don't know enough about it |
| 08:47.49 | babilen | Pseudo, belle105: I am not exactly sure where you guys came from, but do you have a technical support question we can help you with? |
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| 08:48.05 | belle105 | sorry |
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| 08:48.24 | babilen | There's #debian-offtopic if you like to chat |
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| 08:48.33 | Pseudo | ok thanks babilen |
| 08:48.42 | babilen | No worries |
| 08:48.53 | Psychiatrist | babilen, With the added parameters the only warning/error I got was for VGA 'ACPI Warning: \_SB_.PCI0.PEG0.VGA_._DSM: Argument #4 type mismatch' |
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| 08:49.21 | RoyK | babilen: don't be so harch |
| 08:49.23 | babilen | That's not related .. could you paste the output of those commands? |
| 08:49.52 | babilen | RoyK: Huh? They are happily chatting in #debian-offtopic now |
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| 08:51.28 | mzf | rickardv_: debian 8.5 is just released and perhaps some pages are not yet updated. nothing's wrong there. |
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| 08:52.10 | Psychiatrist | babilen, the first command's output surpasses my terminal's window, is there a way I could output it into a .txt? The second command's output is here: http://pastebin.com/Fzka2K3R |
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| 08:53.56 | rickardve | mzf: Check, I just saw that the ISO are not yet available. |
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| 08:56.06 | mzf | rickardve: yeah, that's right. it takes time as it seems |
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| 09:03.08 | Psychiatrist | babilen, I'm going to restart and be back in a few minutes if you had any more suggestions, in any case I appreciate the help. Thanks! |
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| 09:07.04 | xar- | is 8.5 out? |
| 09:07.53 | xar- | very nice |
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| 09:10.15 | hexnewbie | rickardve: The SMS for 8.5 came while I was sleeping. I still haven't fully realised it's out yet. It's normal for the ISOs to not be out yet. |
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| 09:13.52 | Psychiatrist | babilen, So I reset my BIOS to defaults, and pressed 'FN+F8' before my OS had loaded, it's my Wifi hotkey, I read it from a forum that it might help and something worked. Unfortunately not sure which one. What I do find weird is that on Windows nothing is still working, nor internet with cable or wifi.. but I can ping Google's DNS perfectly and connect to Wifi networks.. |
| 09:14.10 | unborn | xar-: where do you download 8.5? I dont see it on debian official website |
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| 09:14.38 | babilen | Psychiatrist: The "Fn+F8" would have triggered the "Turn WiFi off" thing |
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| 09:16.33 | muffinlady32_ | hi |
| 09:16.38 | Psychiatrist | babilen, So it must've been the BIOS default settings. But it's odd since I don't have a specific setting for Wifi and I haven't touched it in months |
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| 09:16.52 | muffinlady32_ | what kernerl version comes with 8.4? |
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| 09:18.11 | unborn | ah I see it now.. it was my browser cache |
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| 09:19.17 | unborn | well its easy to upgrade right? or I have to do fresh install? |
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| 09:25.23 | babilen | Psychiatrist: Well, it simple toggles between "wifi on/wifi off", so I guess that this is what enabled your card again. |
| 09:25.31 | babilen | ,kernels |
| 09:25.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-trunk-686 (4.6-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.5-1); stretch: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.5.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1) |
| 09:25.35 | babilen | muffinlady32_: ^ |
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| 09:26.11 | babilen | unborn: You just run a normal "apt update ; apt full-upgrade" |
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| 09:26.27 | unborn | babilen: great thanks! |
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| 10:15.55 | JohnnyL | what's good to back dvds to a playable format under debian? |
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| 10:19.44 | FaTony | if I have libfoo.a and libfoo.so and I compile something with -lfoo, what library will get linked? |
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| 10:19.51 | cluelessperson | Hi all, on debian I like to use "Cinnamon" desktop, which uses "Nemo" instead of "Nautilus" for file browsing |
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| 10:22.29 | somiaj | cluelessperson: and your question is? You can install cinnamon in debian |
| 10:22.32 | somiaj | !cinnamon |
| 10:22.33 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>. http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
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| 10:24.06 | avian | FaTony, I think the default is .so unless you use -static with gcc. You can check your compiled binary with ldd |
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| 10:24.18 | FaTony | avian, ty |
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| 10:25.50 | cluelessperson | Nemo likes to not mount sshfs, instead hands an SFTP URL/LINK to applications |
| 10:25.50 | cluelessperson | which MANY applications are incapable of opening |
| 10:25.50 | cluelessperson | Anyone know where to point me? I'm lost, lost my mommy, lol |
| 10:26.10 | cluelessperson | somiaj, the problem is that Nemo the file manager, doesn't MOUNT sftp, it hands URLs to applications. I'm wondering how to fix this. |
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| 10:27.34 | babilen | Use a file manager that supports the features you want? |
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| 10:27.45 | Rikairchy | like gentoo |
| 10:27.49 | julius | hi |
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| 10:28.55 | julius | i installed a testing system with debootstrap, now im chrooted into it (/dev, /proc/, /sys) are --bind mounted and i get this while installing gnome: /var/cache/apt/archives/gtk-update-icon-cache_3.20.5-4_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) where can i look up a error message? dpkg.log says nothing about this |
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| 10:29.24 | julius | oh, no testing |
| 10:29.27 | julius | ok |
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| 10:33.03 | somiaj | julius: the error should be above that line |
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| 10:39.20 | cluelessperson | It seems that ALL my file managers only browse SFTP and do not MOUNT SSHFS. This presents a LARGE problem for me in that media players or other applications are handed SFTP URLS INSTEAD of SSHFS mount points to read a file from |
| 10:39.24 | cluelessperson | has anyone encountered this? |
| 10:39.57 | Guest_84757 | Allah is doing |
| 10:40.09 | Guest_84757 | sun is not doing Allah is doing |
| 10:40.24 | Guest_84757 | moon is not doing Allah is doing |
| 10:40.39 | Guest_84757 | stars are not doing Allah is doing |
| 10:41.50 | cluelessperson | Guest_84757, don't do that |
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| 10:43.14 | somiaj | cluelessperson: why not just mount the sshfs manually, once it is mounted any file manager should browse it like a local file system (I personally don't use file managers so unsure what sort of feature they have) |
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| 10:44.15 | TomTomTosch | cluelessperson: not sure i understand the SFTP part or how it relates to your SSHFS problem. |
| 10:44.28 | cluelessperson | somiaj, needs to mount only when I need it and only when it's available |
| 10:45.07 | somiaj | cluelessperson: sounds like more reason to just mount it from the command line when you need it |
| 10:45.27 | cluelessperson | TomTomTosch, If the file manager simply browses the remote server using SFTP, instead of mounting as SSHFS, it'll hand an URL like "stfp:// something" to whatever application to open the file with, INSTEAD of opening the file as a file from a locally mounted system. /mount/place/file.mkv |
| 10:45.48 | cluelessperson | somiaj, Linux Mint does this perfectly |
| 10:45.59 | lesta | cluelessperson: fuse tools can mount sshfs webdav samba |
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| 10:46.17 | cluelessperson | I'm looking for the Gui integration |
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| 10:46.26 | lesta | gigolo ? |
| 10:46.29 | lesta | maybe |
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| 10:47.13 | somiaj | cluelessperson: then figure out what sort of plugin mint uses and see if it is availble in debian. If it is not then you'll have to look into some of the other options you have been pointed at. |
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| 10:47.40 | cluelessperson | somiaj, ah |
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| 10:57.34 | cluelessperson | lesta, Thank you for the suggestion, found this https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo/wiki |
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| 10:57.47 | cluelessperson | lesta, my linux mint work machine is several versions ahead. :) |
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| 10:59.11 | cluelessperson | lesta, Do you know how to build this? |
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| 10:59.39 | somiaj | cluelessperson: does it need a newer version of nemo or just a plugin? What is the package name in debian? |
| 10:59.59 | cluelessperson | somiaj, "nemo" |
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| 11:00.05 | somiaj | ,v nemo |
| 11:00.06 | judd | Package: nemo on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.4-2; stretch: 3.0.3-1; sid: 3.0.3-1 |
| 11:00.14 | somiaj | ,check-backport nemo |
| 11:00.15 | judd | Backporting package nemo in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libcinnamon-desktop-dev (>= 2.6.1). |
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| 11:00.41 | cluelessperson | Linux mint on my work machine is on 2.8.6 |
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| 11:00.56 | somiaj | cluelessperson: getting a new version of nemo in debian jessie isn't going to be an easy task. Seems it depends on some of the nemo desktop and backporting desktop takes a bit of work |
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| 11:01.15 | somiaj | cluelessperson: are you sure it is the version and not some plugin you can just install in $HOME? |
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| 11:01.33 | cluelessperson | somiaj, where would I check for such plugins? |
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| 11:01.54 | somiaj | cluelessperson: I'm unsure, I don't use file managers so unsure how they work or to check what addons/plugins they have. |
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| 11:02.13 | TomTomTosch | you could ask the mint channel. chances are someone there knows. |
| 11:02.17 | cluelessperson | somiaj, http://hastebin.com/asiyamuyum |
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| 11:02.55 | cluelessperson | somiaj, can I compile Nemo from github? |
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| 11:03.02 | cluelessperson | or would it still be missing dependencies? |
| 11:03.19 | somiaj | cluelessperson: yea I don't know mint that well, it could be the version in jessie just done's tha ve the feature you need, it could be you can get it with a plugin |
| 11:03.52 | somiaj | cluelessperson: nemo depends on libcinnamon and the version you have in jessie may not be new enough. That is what I already checked |
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| 11:05.19 | cluelessperson | somiaj, libcinnamon-desktop4:amd64 2.2.3-3 |
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| 11:05.39 | somiaj | cluelessperson: yes I know, the newer nemo may require a newer package to depend against |
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| 11:05.58 | cluelessperson | I see |
| 11:06.56 | somiaj | cluelessperson: you may have to look into other options in debian. |
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| 12:05.40 | discovered | Where is the KDE channel for debian? |
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| 12:07.36 | TomTomTosch | discovered: irc.oftc.net #debian-kde |
| 12:07.48 | discovered | TomTomTosch, Thanks |
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| 12:18.17 | cluelessperson | I keep running into a problem on Debian where my route is still defaulting to eth0, even though the interface is disconnected |
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| 12:18.49 | FaTony | how can I sync local directory with ftp directory? |
| 12:18.51 | discovered | no updated info on http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 12:27.35 | bittin_ | Debian boxes at work is updated now :) |
| 12:27.51 | discovered | ? |
| 12:28.03 | unborn | FaTony: manually or use ssh and rsync |
| 12:28.22 | FaTony | unborn I don't have ssh |
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| 12:29.10 | unborn | FaTony: on your local machine you can mount ftp as folder and then use rsycn to sync forlder a with ftp folder mounted on your system |
| 12:29.19 | unborn | locally.. no ssh need it |
| 12:29.21 | unborn | :) |
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| 12:35.02 | somiaj | FaTony: I like the ftp client lftp |
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| 12:45.47 | bittin_ | Any debian person that know where i can find 7. iso files ? |
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| 12:51.17 | unborn | bittin_: original? |
| 12:52.48 | unborn | bittin_: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows7 |
| 12:53.04 | bittin_ | unborn: thats Windows and not Debian :D |
| 12:53.13 | unborn | aha sorry :D |
| 12:53.18 | bittin_ | i meant Debian 7.11 |
| 12:53.19 | bittin_ | :D |
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| 12:53.22 | bittin_ | amd64 |
| 12:53.25 | unborn | I seen 7.iso and thought windows 7 sorry :D |
| 12:53.31 | unborn | yeah |
| 12:53.32 | bittin_ | :p |
| 12:53.36 | unborn | I'll have look |
| 12:53.38 | bittin_ | unborn: in #debian |
| 12:53.39 | bittin_ | :D |
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| 12:54.22 | unborn | bittin_: which country is closest to you? |
| 12:54.32 | bittin_ | Sweden |
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| 12:55.28 | unborn | bittin_: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ |
| 12:56.29 | bittin_ | unborn: thanks :) |
| 12:56.44 | unborn | bittin_: np :) |
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| 13:04.22 | x37 | i was/am worried my drive is failing... |
| 13:04.43 | x37 | im using cp to copy to another drive but heart rate is rising |
| 13:04.45 | x37 | good game |
| 13:04.47 | x37 | etc |
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| 13:38.08 | tarkaram | I installed debian on a really old laptop, I just wanted text only and didnt enable any window managers duinrg the install. When I try to boot up the system after the install, all I see in the screen is "Unable to read microcode...." and never get to a login prompt |
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| 13:39.54 | tarkaram | Googled the issue, its related to firmware associate with the wifi chip, I didnt load the firmware during the install process and am not going to use wifi. Is there way to skip the check of wifi firmware during the boot process? The debian thread logged for this states, loaded the firmware to resolve. Am not sure how to load the firmware if I cant get to the login prompt |
| 13:40.02 | tarkaram | Appreciate any help |
| 13:40.41 | tixnok | tarkaram : try to reinstall again sir |
| 13:40.55 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 13:40.55 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 13:41.26 | TomTomTosch | tarkaram: i don't see how missing wifi firmware would prevent boot. can you give use the exact output? or yeah, try the firmware iso ^ |
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| 13:42.46 | tarkaram | https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00929.html |
| 13:43.19 | tarkaram | TomTomTosch: the issue described in the link is exactly what I am facing. |
| 13:43.31 | tarkaram | dvs: I will try that option. Thanks |
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| 13:44.07 | dvs | no prob |
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| 13:54.55 | GEWRG3443 | Hello |
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| 13:55.18 | GEWRG3443 | Im having problems with Debian |
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| 13:55.33 | GEWRG3443 | I think its related to nvidia drivers. My screen freezes randomly |
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| 13:56.29 | GEWRG3443 | uh, ho hello? |
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| 13:58.00 | afernandez_ | Hello |
| 13:58.09 | musca | hello GEWRG3443, does "lspci | grep vga" list your vga device? |
| 14:00.10 | GEWRG3443 | Yes |
| 14:00.55 | GEWRG3443 | Actually it doesn't, another command very similar did list it. |
| 14:01.18 | Hello71 | musca: that won't list most VGA devices. |
| 14:01.24 | GEWRG3443 | "lspci -nn | grep VGA" |
| 14:01.26 | Hello71 | mainly because VGA is an acronym |
| 14:01.31 | Hello71 | not a word |
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| 14:01.54 | afernandez_ | musca: lspci |grep -i vga |
| 14:01.59 | Hello71 | GEWRG3443: if you're using proprietary drivers, try nouveau |
| 14:02.00 | GEWRG3443 | Oh, it was actually "lspci | grep VGA" |
| 14:02.40 | GEWRG3443 | Ok... how do I change the drivers and install nouveau |
| 14:03.42 | GEWRG3443 | could download latest drivers from nvidia fix it? |
| 14:03.53 | musca | GEWRG3443: which Card do you use? |
| 14:04.07 | GEWRG3443 | GTX 650 Ti |
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| 14:04.23 | musca | usually the nvidia installer breaks debian systems |
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| 14:04.43 | GEWRG3443 | Oh :( |
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| 14:05.58 | musca | the nvidia-driver 340.xx in jessie (non-free section) should support your card just fine |
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| 14:06.25 | babilen | GEWRG3443: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers -- you might need a newer version from jessie-backports. Check if you card is listed as being supported by that version |
| 14:06.34 | babilen | judd: v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 14:06.35 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 352.79-7; stretch/non-free: 352.79-7; experimental/non-free: 355.11-2 |
| 14:06.52 | GEWRG3443 | Mmm, ok. It's just that I had installed Ubuntu and Linux Mint and it would freeze constantly |
| 14:07.08 | GEWRG3443 | With debian, it has happened once, but its annoying having to reboot everytime |
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| 14:07.28 | musca | ,v nvidia-driver --release jessie-backports |
| 14:07.29 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1 |
| 14:07.32 | babilen | Oh, and don't use nvidida-xconfig, but just use the minimal configuration mentioned on that wiki (the echo command) |
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| 14:12.34 | GEWRG3443 | Uh, welp I hope it doesn't freeze again :( |
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| 14:41.24 | f-a | I have a laptop with a misworking "hard block wifi" button (a thinkpad). Is there a way I can just disable it? |
| 14:42.01 | Brigo | f-a, i think not |
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| 14:42.56 | f-a | Brigo: that's what I feared :s it's a pain in the butt as now and then decises to block itself even is the switch is on 'on' |
| 14:45.05 | fhffhqvb | wow, first result on google. |
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| 14:45.38 | fhffhqvb | http://askubuntu.com/questions/380586/wireless-is-disabled-by-hardware-switch-wifi-doesnt-work-hard-blocked-yes |
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| 14:47.40 | unborn | f-a: if you still have windows on particion make sure you turn your wifi on before shoot down.. then if that did not worked you can try the fhffhqvb google links.. also you may reset bios.. |
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| 14:49.52 | f-a | fhffhqvb: yeah sudo modprobe -r ideapad_laptop did not work, hence why I am asking here ¬¬ |
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| 14:50.22 | f-a | unborn: I don't have windows, only debian on this laptop |
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| 14:58.24 | unborn | f-a: http://askubuntu.com/questions/380586/wireless-is-disabled-by-hardware-switch-wifi-doesnt-work-hard-blocked-yes then follow that link |
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| 15:00.29 | DrBunsen | Hello, does anyone here have experience dealing with nvidea drivers and dual monitor setup? Because most fullscreen apps (like games) get launched on the secondary screen, and after checking the nvidia-settings now even games that appeared on the right screen get displayed on the secondary. I do not know how to continue from here |
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| 15:02.10 | babilen | DrBunsen: Do you use a minimal configuration or one generated by the (often broken) nvidida-xconfig? On my workstation (dual monitor, NVS card) it is using whatever display had focus |
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| 15:03.10 | babilen | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Manual |
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| 15:04.03 | DrBunsen | babilen: I first used the nvidia-xconfig thing, but that doesn't work anymore, I did use the nvidia-settings to write a config file, and now even things what are focused on the right screen get send to the secondary. BTW: my setup is like this: Secondary screen - main screen. |
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| 15:09.11 | f-a | unborn: you mean trying `sudo modprobe -r ideapad_laptop` ? because that unfortunately did not work |
| 15:10.29 | unborn | f-a: no I mean rfkill |
| 15:11.52 | f-a | unborn: do you want me to `rfkill unblock all`? |
| 15:12.04 | f-a | I think rfkill only handles soft blocks |
| 15:12.21 | unborn | yes it does but its worth of trying |
| 15:12.43 | unborn | on very old lenovo laptops that was usually what worked before re-install of windows |
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| 15:13.09 | unborn | some old wifi cards simply did not worked when turned off on windows and booted into linux |
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| 15:13.42 | unborn | f-a if you have drivers on, your wifi should work.. last resolution I would try to reset bios |
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| 15:15.03 | f-a | sorry I got d/c'd , I said: I think rfkill only handles softblocks, right? |
| 15:15.28 | unborn | f-a: read what I wrote in your history |
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| 15:21.11 | f-a | thanks unborn , probably I explained my problem incorrectly. My card *does* work (in this very moment I am using it to connect to the internet). The problem is that with 'rough' usage the hardware switch (which lies in front of the laptop) has become a tad loose. |
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| 15:21.36 | f-a | I mean, I could just tape it to 'on' and forget about it to be fair |
| 15:21.53 | f-a | but I wondered if there was a way to 'ignore' it |
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| 15:24.22 | jamesl | I am having difficulties setting the SSH banner, I created the file at /etc/sshd-banner, then put "Banner /etc/sshd-banner" in /etc/ssh/ssh_config but the banner is not displayed before the login prompt, why is this? What do I need o change to enable SSH banner? |
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| 15:25.18 | yoLo_ | when i type PATH=~/dfu-util/src/dfu-util:$PATH |
| 15:25.28 | yoLo_ | where does it go and how do i remove it ? |
| 15:25.41 | yoLo_ | because when i type in echo $PATH |
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| 15:25.42 | unborn | f-a: its should be in bios.. if not put single drop of superglue on it :) I guess that is some old laptop right? |
| 15:25.52 | yoLo_ | i see it but its now in bashrc |
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| 15:27.34 | f-a | unborn: lenovo x60s, librebooted, bought from minifree. Works flawlessly but I am a tad rough when handling lappies :P I'll see how to access bios and check if it possible to disable it, thanks for helping! |
| 15:27.34 | yoLo_ | any help ? |
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| 15:28.42 | unborn | f-a: usually when booting machine keep pressing f2 or f12 but it could be esc or f10 or f11 |
| 15:28.44 | f-a | yoLo_: what do you mean "where does it go"? It's like a variable |
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| 15:29.15 | f-a | yoLo_: open another terminal, type `echo $PATH` and it is gone, if you want it persistent put it in your .bashrc |
| 15:29.21 | unborn | f-a: then in bios there is usually hardware switch and you just select always on.. this means it will stay on even if you manually turn it off |
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| 15:29.43 | yoLo_ | f-a: i added i did export PATH=~/dfu-util/src/dfu-util:$PATH |
| 15:30.02 | yoLo_ | but dfu doesn't reply when i call |
| 15:30.12 | yoLo_ | so i'm assuming that i added the path wrong |
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| 15:30.41 | yoLo_ | f-a: did i do it correctly ? |
| 15:30.45 | f-a | thanks unborn , I'll check it and report back |
| 15:31.01 | yoLo_ | is it export PATH=~/dfu-util/src/dfu-util:$PATH ? |
| 15:31.02 | f-a | yoLo_: syntax is like `export PATH=$PATH:~/blalbabl` |
| 15:31.19 | f-a | to check if it was added, open a terminal and type |
| 15:31.20 | yoLo_ | no $PATH IN THE END ? |
| 15:31.26 | f-a | echo $PATH |
| 15:31.55 | f-a | yoLo_: it's the same, something:$PATH works too |
| 15:32.06 | yoLo_ | f-a: yes, it was added but the app doesn't reply |
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| 15:32.52 | f-a | yoLo_: well then, does ~/dfu-util/src/dfu-util exist? is the executable there? |
| 15:32.54 | yoLo_ | i type dfu-util -l i'm suppose to get a reply with the version of dfu-util |
| 15:33.05 | Yuri4_ | t |
| 15:33.07 | Yuri4_ | r |
| 15:33.09 | Yuri4_ | u |
| 15:33.09 | f-a | yoLo_: instead what do you get? |
| 15:33.11 | Yuri4_ | m |
| 15:33.13 | Yuri4_ | p |
| 15:33.33 | yoLo_ | yes, its in home/dfu-util/src/dfu-util |
| 15:33.37 | f-a | yeah let's build a wall around windows |
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| 15:33.46 | yoLo_ | f-a: i get dfu-util not installed |
| 15:34.00 | yoLo_ | use apt-get install dfu-util |
| 15:34.22 | yoLo_ | but the version of dfu in ubuntu repo is old and no longer supported |
| 15:34.33 | f-a | wait are you using ubuntu? |
| 15:34.59 | yoLo_ | f-a: it is the same for debian |
| 15:35.10 | yoLo_ | i get the same version |
| 15:35.13 | yoLo_ | in the repo |
| 15:35.14 | f-a | maybe folks in #ubuntu can help you more precisely |
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| 15:36.07 | f-a | yoLo_: in any case I don't think it's a problem of $PATH |
| 15:36.18 | yoLo_ | :| |
| 15:36.42 | bipul | where i can find debian7.11 with amd64 iso ? |
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| 15:37.20 | yoLo_ | f-a: ok good its been removed after i log out and back in |
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| 15:37.33 | f-a | very good |
| 15:37.37 | sn0wmonster | I was referred from #linux as possibly having a failed "initramfs" update. I am using Tails, i used |
| 15:37.49 | jmcnaught | bipul: please don't ask the same question on freenode and oftc at the same time. also why start a wheezy install now? why not install Jessie? |
| 15:37.55 | yoLo_ | f-a: so i add path in bashrc right ? |
| 15:37.58 | sn0wmonster | apt-get update | apt-get upgrade, but i think it's not supposed to upgrade things like dmsetup but tried to, |
| 15:38.10 | sn0wmonster | now it's giving errors and won't let me isntall anything else without attempting (and failing) installing dmsetup |
| 15:38.23 | sn0wmonster | is there a way to clear the apt-get cache/queue so i can install something else? |
| 15:38.31 | bipul | jmcnaught, I need it that |
| 15:38.38 | yoLo_ | sn0wmonster: like what ? |
| 15:38.44 | jmcnaught | sn0wmonster: who ever referred you here was wrong, Tails is not supported here only Debian is |
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| 15:38.59 | yoLo_ | hmm tails ? |
| 15:39.05 | yoLo_ | is that another linux distro > |
| 15:39.06 | yoLo_ | ? |
| 15:39.09 | sn0wmonster | i think it's not a Tails specific problem though, as i'm asking about clearing apt-get cache more or less |
| 15:39.17 | sn0wmonster | yoLo_, it's Debian with apparmor run in RAM |
| 15:39.24 | sn0wmonster | (to put it super-simple) |
| 15:39.35 | jmcnaught | !tails |
| 15:39.35 | dpkg | Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. https://tails.boum.org/ #tails on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:39.49 | sn0wmonster | does anyone know here how to clear the apt-get cache in debian? |
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| 15:40.03 | sn0wmonster | as in, clear the "failed to install" error out and stop attempting to install |
| 15:40.13 | jmcnaught | sn0wmonster: please ask in #tails on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:40.40 | sn0wmonster | Does Debian not have apt-get? |
| 15:40.58 | sn0wmonster | This isn't a Tails question. It's about clearing Apt-get's install queue. |
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| 15:41.14 | yoLo_ | sn0wmonster: best i could suggest is to find the repo address of the stuff you dont want to install and uncomment it |
| 15:41.16 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell sn0wmonster about based on debian |
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| 15:42.23 | yoLo_ | sn0wmonster: i meant "comment it out" |
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| 15:42.51 | yoLo_ | sn0wmonster: so when upgrading or updating it doesn't install anything |
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| 15:44.16 | yoLo_ | jmcnaught: how would add a path at /home to the PATH environment variable.. |
| 15:44.23 | yoLo_ | how would you* / |
| 15:44.36 | yoLo_ | at the /home directory |
| 15:45.08 | jmcnaught | yoLo_: i would do it in my .bashrc, or find a better place to install the software to like /usr/local or ~/bin |
| 15:45.09 | yoLo_ | assume this is the path /home/something/chrome.exe |
| 15:45.41 | jmcnaught | yoLo_: but you were also asked to move to Ubuntu weren't you? |
| 15:45.54 | jmcnaught | #ubuntu that is |
| 15:46.19 | yoLo_ | :|.. i have both ubuntu and debian.. i'm on ubuntu now |
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| 15:46.32 | yoLo_ | but i'm doing the same thing on debian |
| 15:46.35 | jmcnaught | yoLo_: please don't come here for Ubuntu support |
| 15:46.46 | yoLo_ | this is not for ubuntu support |
| 15:46.50 | yoLo_ | its for debian |
| 15:48.07 | yoLo_ | so assuming your path is /home/something/chrome.exe how would do it exactly ? |
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| 15:49.26 | themill | you probably want to put it in ~/bin |
| 15:49.42 | yoLo_ | themill: not bashrc ? |
| 15:49.50 | mach_kernel | path belongs in your shell's config file |
| 15:50.07 | themill | yoLo_: binaries belong in ~/bin not in $HOME |
| 15:50.37 | mach_kernel | what are you trying to do |
| 15:51.12 | themill | protip: if you've just joined, don't try to jump in on a conversation that's been going for 25 min |
| 15:51.21 | yoLo_ | i'm trying to add a path to the $PATH environement variable |
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| 15:51.36 | mach_kernel | if it takes you 25 minutes to help someone modify their $PATH you are doing it wrong |
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| 15:53.10 | themill | who'd have imagined there would be context |
| 15:53.22 | yoLo_ | this is the path /home/dfu-util/src/dfu-util |
| 15:53.26 | yoLo_ | themill: |
| 15:53.46 | themill | yoLo_: install it into ~/bin; nothing more to do |
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| 15:54.11 | yoLo_ | themill: how ?, |
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| 15:58.56 | themill | yoLo_: I would be amazed if "cp" didn't work. |
| 15:58.59 | DrBunsen | Hello, does anyone here have experience dealing with nvidea drivers and dual monitor setup? Because most fullscreen apps (like games) get launched on the secondary screen, and after checking the nvidia-settings now even games that appeared on the right screen get displayed on the secondary. I do not know how to continue from here |
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| 16:02.09 | yoLo_ | brb |
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| 16:11.52 | yoLo_ | themill: I have i have added in ~/.profile export PATH=$PATH:~/dfu-util/src/dfu-util: |
| 16:12.15 | yoLo_ | is this right ? i have called the app but still doesn't reply |
| 16:12.27 | yoLo_ | it says dfu-util not installed |
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| 16:16.05 | yoLo_ | themill: http://dpaste.com/3T34VDG |
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| 16:18.32 | nickgaw | Hi, With the asterisk packages in order to get the sample pbx working where it has the english voices working as if I dial using the cli an extention I get the message language not registerd what package should I install in order to make sure the sample stuff works? |
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| 16:32.17 | FaTony | I'm writing makefile for the program with config files which also is used for building Debian package. Now I have something like: prefix = usr/local; bindir = $(prefix)/bin etc. Now I need to copy config files into /usr/local/etc or /etc, how do I do this based on prefix? |
| 16:33.49 | babilen | DrBunsen: I simply use a minimal nvidia.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d and it is working fine with my card, might want to give that a try |
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| 16:34.02 | babilen | DrBunsen: (remove the old/static configuration) |
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| 16:39.27 | jackcom | how can i install vnc server? |
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| 16:42.35 | babilen | jackcom: Which? |
| 16:42.45 | jackcom | ? |
| 16:42.49 | jackcom | babilen: which? |
| 16:42.52 | jackcom | what you mean? |
| 16:42.57 | babilen | Yeah, which one do you want to install? |
| 16:43.04 | jackcom | vnc server |
| 16:43.11 | jackcom | there is many vnc server? |
| 16:43.20 | babilen | Sure |
| 16:43.36 | babilen | jackcom: Take a look at the output of "apt-cache search vnc server" |
| 16:43.36 | jackcom | one that most people use |
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| 16:44.07 | jackcom | lol |
| 16:44.11 | jackcom | too many |
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| 16:45.01 | jackcom | what is best? babilen ? |
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| 16:46.13 | omginput | Hey there guys, are some servers down or why get i 'Not Found The requested URL /debian-cd/8.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso was not found on this server.'? |
| 16:46.15 | babilen | I don't use it and it really depends what you want it to do. TightVNC and X11VNC come to mind, but take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software |
| 16:46.55 | jackcom | ok thanks |
| 16:47.26 | babilen | jackcom: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers might also come in handy |
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| 16:48.02 | jackcom | thanks installing vnc server is difficult? |
| 16:48.15 | gr8 | with the newest debian update, for Chromium Version 51.0.2704.79, the private mode has a white on grey theme. I would like to have a light color mode again because the rest of my system is light GTK so this looks very ugly ... on #chromium-support is a dead place |
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| 16:48.57 | babilen | jackcom: There's also vino VNC which is, I guess, pretty easy to use given that it is the VNC server of the Gnome desktop environment |
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| 16:49.31 | jackcom | vino VNC? |
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| 16:49.41 | jackcom | it is preinstalled? |
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| 16:49.47 | babilen | jackcom: The name of the package is "vino" in Debian |
| 16:49.55 | babilen | judd: info vino |
| 16:49.56 | judd | Package vino (gnome, optional) in jessie/amd64: VNC server for GNOME. Version: 3.14.0-2+b1; Size: 396.9k; Installed: 2013k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Vino; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/vino |
| 16:50.00 | babilen | ^ |
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| 16:50.24 | babilen | Do you use Gnome? |
| 16:50.40 | anao | Hello@All does anyone know how to disable fsck on jessie with systemd? |
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| 16:52.17 | babilen | anao: You don't want to be able to run it at all or do you want to disable regular checks? |
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| 16:53.04 | babilen | (at boot time) |
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| 16:54.13 | babilen | anao: If the latter you could take a look at "man 8 systemd-fsck" |
| 16:55.18 | livelace | Hello. Maybe someone know about automatic startup VLAN interface (NetworkManager) in Debian 8. Question - why it doesn't start automatically ? |
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| 17:09.57 | livelace | Ok, it doesn't handle vlan connection https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681109 |
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| 17:18.07 | dionysus69 | whatsup with terminal running as login shell? if I disable that, I loose ruby access ( I am using rvm) but if I keep it on, it loads .profile once again which duplicates some running programs. How can I approach this situation? |
| 17:18.23 | stormpp | Can anyone help me: How can I set up The login password after installing PHPMYADMIN (it doesn't allow without from config file) or what is the path to the Config ? |
| 17:18.53 | dionysus69 | stormpp: doesnt it have default set? like admin admin? |
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| 17:20.32 | stormpp | dionysus69, no - I installed it on Raspbian and when it asked for password I hit enter (and in config it doesn't allow without password) that is why I am asking maybe some of you uses Phpmyadmin |
| 17:20.50 | stormpp | and now I can't log in (x) |
| 17:21.25 | dionysus69 | maybe someone more experienced in that will answer )) |
| 17:21.56 | stormpp | dionysus69, yes maybe :) |
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| 17:23.19 | babilen | dpkg: raspbian |
| 17:23.19 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 17:23.22 | babilen | stormpp: ^ |
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| 17:24.34 | stormpp | babilen, IT IS NOT A RASPBIAN question, it is a PhpMyAdmin on debian question |
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| 17:37.25 | babilen | s/on debian/on raspbian/ |
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| 17:45.25 | andril | can anyone help me with this error http://imgur.com/WVhqmG2 - |
| 17:45.46 | anao | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:48.28 | ^v | andril, i dont know exactly what that error is |
| 17:48.39 | ^v | what does echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR give you |
| 17:49.05 | digdilem | actually, it's just a phpmyadmin question, but he left |
| 17:49.10 | andril | i was told yesterday to run a log after asking for help to resolve random freezing |
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| 17:50.01 | ^v | andril, do you know what debian version? o_o |
| 17:50.11 | andril | 8.4 Jessie |
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| 17:54.34 | babilen | digdilem: Yeah, I would have suggested #phpmyadmin, but too late now |
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| 18:05.56 | marianna | Hi! |
| 18:06.06 | marianna | I have a problem with my laptop |
| 18:06.19 | marianna | when it reaches 111 ºC |
| 18:06.39 | marianna | even when I close everything |
| 18:06.53 | kripx | that hot |
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| 18:07.00 | kripx | shutdown you pc |
| 18:07.04 | TomTomTosch | marianna: sounds like a reading error. what tool do you use? |
| 18:07.14 | marianna | it thinks its still at 111 ºC and after few minutes it shutdown |
| 18:07.23 | marianna | acpi -t |
| 18:07.52 | marianna | now its at 53 |
| 18:08.32 | TomTomTosch | marianna: is that a laptop? you might want to check if the radiator and fan are not obstructed. |
| 18:08.46 | marianna | mmm |
| 18:09.09 | marianna | ok |
| 18:09.17 | marianna | but the thing is |
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| 18:09.27 | TomTomTosch | marianna: is it new hardware / did it work before with debian or other linux distros? |
| 18:09.43 | marianna | Its not new hardware |
| 18:09.59 | marianna | I have it four or five years |
| 18:10.31 | marianna | but the thing is, now the temp is going up and down |
| 18:10.41 | marianna | one or two degrees |
| 18:10.51 | marianna | but when it reaches 111 degrees |
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| 18:11.02 | marianna | even when I close everything |
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| 18:11.14 | marianna | acpi -t still says its at 111 deg |
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| 18:11.27 | marianna | and after few minutes it shuts down |
| 18:11.56 | TomTomTosch | i would check the inside first. |
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| 18:12.57 | marianna | ok, when I reboot I will check the insides |
| 18:13.15 | marianna | but now I want to know if I can do something like |
| 18:13.25 | marianna | echo 90000 > /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp |
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| 18:13.37 | marianna | put a fake temp |
| 18:13.47 | marianna | is it possible? |
| 18:13.47 | TomTomTosch | no, that would be overwritten. |
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| 18:13.56 | marianna | I got this |
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| 18:14.25 | marianna | bash: echo: write error: input/output error |
| 18:15.13 | TomTomTosch | that file only has reading permissions anyway. you are not meant to write to it. |
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| 18:15.39 | marianna | I've changed the permissions |
| 18:15.46 | marianna | and I got that error |
| 18:16.07 | marianna | I know I'm not meant to write it... |
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| 18:16.47 | marianna | but I thinks the laptop gets stuck at 111ºC and I want to know if there is a solution |
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| 18:19.06 | jim | is there a fairly straightforward way of testing wayland under jessie? |
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| 18:19.52 | TomTomTosch | yeah. but /sys it the kernel's playground. i really wouldn't adviadvise changing permissions or trying to write to anything in sys. |
| 18:19.58 | miss0r | hello people. I have some issues here. I moved a bunch of virtual machines from one server to another. They are all websites, that are being redirected to with apache2 on the host. Now here is the strange part: the server has virbr0 with 192.168.12.xxx network, and the servers recently moved there are 192.168.122.xxx. The redirection with apache works like a charm, but I can't ping/ssh/anything with the VMs from the host. And since vi |
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| 18:20.41 | TomTomTosch | those files are virtual anyway. |
| 18:20.54 | marianna | ah, ok |
| 18:21.15 | miss0r | ...they are not setup for any other sort of access, I would like to just SSH into them from the host/make iptables redirect a specific port. I have set up a second virtual nic, in that network, and edited the respective .xml files to use that bridge - still no dice. How do I get in touch with them? |
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| 18:21.34 | PryMar56 | miss0r, find the file default.xml from libvirt and see if its been changed on the old install |
| 18:21.55 | PryMar56 | miss0r, default.xml controls the network config |
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| 18:21.57 | miss0r | PryMar56: The old install is no more unfortunatly |
| 18:22.26 | PryMar56 | miss0r, the new server uses the default config, 192.168.122.1 |
| 18:22.51 | PryMar56 | miss0r, change it , to align with the old setup |
| 18:23.37 | miss0r | PryMar56: I can't just change it, as there are VMs on here that uses the new config. I did - however - add a new network to the libvirt config. with the modified ip address setup, but I still can't get in touch with them |
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| 18:24.56 | PryMar56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.14 | miss0r | I don't quite follow you |
| 18:28.23 | PryMar56 | miss0r, do you have stale NAT rules? |
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| 18:28.55 | miss0r | good questions. let me check |
| 18:29.25 | PryMar56 | miss0r, sudo iptables -S -t nat |
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| 18:31.22 | miss0r | PryMar56: it looks about right |
| 18:31.32 | PryMar56 | miss0r, any prerouting rules? |
| 18:31.41 | marianna | I'll check if everything its ok inside the laptop but it doesn't answer my question xD |
| 18:31.45 | marianna | see you later! |
| 18:32.22 | miss0r | I just PM'ed you the output |
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| 18:40.19 | kylix | hello all! I need some help with starting a python script at boot |
| 18:40.57 | kylix | I already tried by adding in rc.local this line: python /path/script.py & but ... it's not working |
| 18:41.20 | kylix | I'm using Raspbian Wheezy on a Raspberry Pi 2 |
| 18:41.35 | kylix | any hint? |
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| 18:42.23 | slink | kylix: my first guess would be path's and permissions, but that looks like it should work |
| 18:42.25 | kylix | the script is executable |
| 18:42.40 | kylix | the path is /home/pi/app/ |
| 18:43.03 | slink | you can try: which python, and putting the full path to it there in case it can't find it |
| 18:43.18 | TomTomTosch | !raspbian |
| 18:43.18 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 18:43.35 | TomTomTosch | kylix: ^- you'll have better chances asking over there. |
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| 18:43.43 | kylix | thx |
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| 19:45.51 | fennesz | Hello ! After a clean install of Debian 8 64 , I get /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/normal.mod not found . Can someone help pls |
| 19:45.52 | fennesz | ? |
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| 19:47.42 | BinBasher | fennesz: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall |
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| 19:49.03 | jmcnaught | the Debian installer can also be booted in a rescue mode that has a grub installation option |
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| 19:58.15 | fennesz | BinBasher, with this [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "EFI boot on HDD" || echo "Legacy boot on HDD" i get legacy boot on hdd |
| 19:58.30 | BinBasher | jmcnaught: to reinstall efi so you don't need refind? |
| 19:58.58 | BinBasher | fennesz: do you want to install debian in EFI? |
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| 19:59.18 | fennesz | BinBasher, I just want the grub menu back :) |
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| 20:00.06 | wewlad | hello, how to force a mounted disc to get updated? |
| 20:00.13 | wewlad | it shows outdated info :( |
| 20:00.21 | BinBasher | fennesz: then I suggest you follow jmcnaught 's advice |
| 20:00.32 | fennesz | jmcnaught, I am using the live image right now , how can i proceed |
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| 20:01.55 | fennesz | ah wait I think I found normal.mod |
| 20:01.59 | fennesz | let me check this |
| 20:02.00 | jmcnaught | fennesz: you should use an installer image booted into rescue mode, or another live distro that supports booting from EFI. Debian Live does not support EFI |
| 20:02.27 | jmcnaught | so you will not be able to repair the grub-efi that you have installed using debian live |
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| 20:02.56 | fennesz | I have installed Debian on that machine without problems in the past |
| 20:03.02 | jmcnaught | are there other operating systems on the computer? |
| 20:03.10 | fennesz | I just made a clean install and having issues now |
| 20:03.20 | fennesz | yes windows 10 :( |
| 20:03.36 | jmcnaught | fennesz: did you install using the same live image that you are currently booted into? |
| 20:03.52 | wewlad | fennesz: what did you install first? |
| 20:03.56 | BinBasher | windows 10 is botnet spyware |
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| 20:04.01 | fennesz | jmcnaught, not 100% sure |
| 20:04.27 | jmcnaught | fennesz: how fresh is this install? |
| 20:04.41 | fennesz | jmcnaught, just installed it |
| 20:04.53 | fennesz | wait the win install or debian ? |
| 20:05.10 | jmcnaught | fennesz: and you don't remember which disk you used to install Debian a few minutes ago? |
| 20:05.28 | fennesz | no I dont remember if this is the same I used in the past |
| 20:05.42 | BinBasher | fennesz: did you install debian with the same disk you booted into right now? Debian Live? |
| 20:05.49 | fennesz | yes |
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| 20:06.03 | BinBasher | Debian Live doesn't support EFI |
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| 20:06.16 | jmcnaught | fennesz: you need to use an installer image for UEFI support (which dual-booting with windows 10 requires) |
| 20:06.18 | BinBasher | Please use a netinstaller or so |
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| 20:07.27 | BinBasher | I wonder... does the netinstaller use torrents or mirrors? |
| 20:07.43 | unborn | BinBasher: mirrors |
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| 20:08.03 | BinBasher | well that sucks :P |
| 20:09.00 | unborn | if you said so, be it. |
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| 20:09.23 | jmcnaught | BinBasher: if you have lots of Debian systems you can install apt-cacher-ng on one of them, and configure it as a proxy in all the other system's apt preferences. then once a package is downloaded from a mirror once all the others download it locally |
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| 20:09.57 | jmcnaught | works for the installer too, or if you do lots of debootstrapping containers |
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| 20:10.59 | BinBasher | jmcnaught: that would be even more efficient with torrents... |
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| 20:12.15 | jmcnaught | BinBasher: https://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent |
| 20:12.16 | TomTomTo1 | p2p wouldn't be feasible for debian. people don't want to seed after installing. if you want to help with load you can provide a mirror. |
| 20:12.43 | fennesz | does ubuntu support uefi ? |
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| 20:12.48 | BinBasher | Why don't people want to seed? |
| 20:12.55 | BinBasher | yes fennesz |
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| 20:13.05 | fennesz | If so how to proceed? |
| 20:13.18 | fennesz | once booted into the Ubuntu live disk ? |
| 20:13.54 | TomTomTo1 | !ubuntu |
| 20:13.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 20:14.00 | BinBasher | fennesz: it'll be more profitable to reinstall Debian with a netinstaller, in my opinion |
| 20:14.13 | unborn | jmcnaught: that is great! |
| 20:14.16 | jmcnaught | fennesz: oh i don't know if the ubuntu live disk boots in EFI mode. i've suggested the debian installer in rescue mode a few times |
| 20:14.39 | unborn | i mean regards apt-cacher-ng |
| 20:15.00 | fennesz | jmcnaught, How can i get into rescue mode? |
| 20:15.46 | jmcnaught | fennesz: it's available in the installer's boot menu under advanced |
| 20:16.00 | fennesz | ok and reinstall the system ? |
| 20:16.02 | BinBasher | jmcnaught: is DebTorrent a thing already or just a concept? |
| 20:16.58 | jmcnaught | BinBasher: i don't think it's be done yet |
| 20:17.32 | fennesz | jmcnaught, On the advanced options i have Hardware detection tool and Memory diagnostic tool |
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| 20:18.27 | jmcnaught | fennesz: which ISO are you using now? |
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| 20:18.49 | fennesz | one moment |
| 20:20.29 | fennesz | jmcnaught, debian-live-8.2.0-amd64-gnome-desktop |
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| 20:21.36 | BinBasher | jmcnaught: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/debtorrent it was a thing |
| 20:21.46 | jmcnaught | fennesz: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 20:21.54 | jmcnaught | fennesz: do *NOT* use a live image |
| 20:22.06 | BinBasher | fennesz: ^^^^ read that |
| 20:23.11 | fennesz | ok |
| 20:23.13 | BinBasher | wait a minute... 8.5 is out? |
| 20:23.18 | fennesz | and just reinstall it ? |
| 20:23.44 | BinBasher | :D 8.5 is out |
| 20:24.06 | wewlad | hey |
| 20:24.41 | jmcnaught | BinBasher: oh, i guess i missed debtorrent when it was a thing. i wonder how many people used it |
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| 20:25.21 | BinBasher | jmcnaught: I really feel like it should be revived |
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| 20:27.36 | BinBasher | have there been any complaints about bumblebee not working properly with nvidia anymore? I can't seem to get it working even when manually fixing the bumblebee.conf |
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| 20:29.15 | BinBasher | and reinstalling bumblebee of course |
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| 20:30.52 | ryouma | what is the most reliable way to detect when i have turned on or off my monitor on my desktop? i tried "journalctl --since -15m -o short-iso" and got nothing interesting. |
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| 20:31.43 | awwal | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/FluxboxSpec |
| 20:32.19 | fennesz_ | The download takes ages .. |
| 20:32.28 | fennesz_ | is there any torrent file i can download? |
| 20:33.21 | jmcnaught | fennesz: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 20:33.59 | fennesz_ | thanks a lot jmcnaught |
| 20:34.08 | ryouma | awwal: interesting |
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| 20:37.31 | fennesz_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent |
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| 21:05.36 | spacebug^ | truing to get back/forward to work in Gnome and Iceweasel. Installed imwheel but can't get it to work.. |
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| 21:13.08 | sewerinspector | Hey all. I'm trying to install the grsec patched kernel from debian and i'm getting this error: https://paste.ee/p/83ST0 I've tried tracking down this 4.4.0-1 kernel that the error is referring to but i can't find it anywhere |
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| 21:16.08 | awwal | gpkg description sounds interesting, but in human words what's grsec patched kernel? |
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| 21:16.44 | sewerinspector | awwal: https://grsecurity.net/ |
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| 21:17.03 | awwal | sewerinspector, ok :) |
| 21:17.06 | sewerinspector | :) |
| 21:17.36 | sewerinspector | i tried compiling my own grsec patched kernel but was running into some other problems (that i'll probably end up asking the grsec people). |
| 21:17.45 | sewerinspector | kinda cool though. |
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| 21:22.31 | awwal | sewerinspector, I never heard about that. is that kind of kernel interesting for home use? |
| 21:22.58 | awwal | debian system personal/home daily use |
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| 21:24.15 | sewerinspector | sure, i suppose. that's what i'm using it for |
| 21:24.26 | sewerinspector | mostly just to learn about it's functionality i mean |
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| 21:25.28 | awwal | the end user notice any difference in practice when using it instead of the standard kernel? |
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| 21:29.43 | awwal | I have one machine windows/debian dual boot. In the past windows have control above debian partitions regarding power and time/date when in dual boot. Now with/thanks to systemd, the reverse happens :P :) I like how things are ;) |
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| 21:31.13 | sewerinspector | i doubt the end user would really see a difference |
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| 21:31.48 | sewerinspector | i wasn't really around for the sysvinit days so i can't have an opinion on that vs systemd to be honest |
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| 21:33.49 | awwal | I don't know what systemd have done it, but after executing "timedatectl set-local-rtc 0" time/date is always correct in my debian system and windows gets lost (incorrect time) :P What systemd have done exactly making windows 10 unable to set time correctly? |
| 21:34.58 | sewerinspector | systemd on your debian install shouldn't have anything to do with windows |
| 21:35.15 | sewerinspector | unless it's affecting something in your efi or something |
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| 21:35.38 | Arrowmaster | windows only likes the bios to be set to local time, linux and other os's set it to UTC |
| 21:35.44 | sewerinspector | there ya go |
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| 21:36.22 | dbtid | hi; i need a little help understanding something about package availability. |
| 21:36.30 | dbtid | i have a pine64 ARM board with a debian distro on it. |
| 21:36.38 | dbtid | i want to install nodejs 4.4.3 |
| 21:36.52 | dbtid | it's not visible in apt anywhere, but on packages.debian.org it says it's there. |
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| 21:37.05 | dbtid | so i'm guessing it has something to do with the repositories that are configured? |
| 21:37.21 | Arrowmaster | ,versions nodejs |
| 21:37.22 | judd | Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.3.1~dfsg-3; sid: 4.4.3~dfsg-1; experimental: 6.0.0~dfsg-1 |
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| 21:37.46 | Arrowmaster | 4.4.3 only available in sid |
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| 21:38.41 | dbtid | ok, i don't know what sid is. |
| 21:38.51 | dbtid | so it's not available in jessie? |
| 21:38.54 | Arrowmaster | unstable version of debian |
| 21:39.02 | dbtid | ah ok |
| 21:39.10 | dbtid | so i'd have to go find a version of node for this arm debian. |
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| 21:39.37 | awwal | If I set (with timedatectl) the RTC in uneversal time, time/date are correct in my debian system and incorrect in wondows, if I set RTC to local time, time/date are correct in windows and incorrect in debian. |
| 21:39.42 | cbug | someone running sid and pure-ftpd who can confirm that pure-ftpd is dropping any connections after 20seconds? Searching someone else with that problem before reporting a bug :) |
| 21:39.55 | dbtid | so i clicked the "jessie" link and it gave me just node 0.10... which is what i found on the rpi. |
| 21:39.58 | dbtid | thanks Arrowmaster |
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| 21:40.24 | Arrowmaster | awwal: probably needs to be set in more places than just that |
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| 21:42.35 | awwal | Arrowmaster, I dont care about windows and it's incorrect date/time, I use it rarelly bcoz of school. The most important is my debian daily use system. Just wanted to understand what systemd does exactly making windows lost :P |
| 21:42.55 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: utc |
| 21:42.56 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. See also <windows utc>. |
| 21:43.44 | unborn | cbug: It should disconnect you - you can setup your ftp client to keep it live perhaps adding this to your ftpd config.. to be honest, I used ftp last time 3 years ago.. |
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| 21:43.53 | Arrowmaster | the hardware clock doesnt know about timezones, linux sets it to UTC and windows sets it to your local timezone, you change it in /etc/adjtime so linux will set it to local time though |
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| 21:45.35 | cbug | unborn: yeah I would prefer sftp, but 500kb/s is a little slow against 14mb/s using ftp-ssl |
| 21:45.37 | McAndrew | hi all - i installed a router based on debian - its running well. now i want logging all connections from clients inside a mysql-database - i want informatiuons like: client-ip, destination-ip adress, destination domain-name, destination port, connection-time |
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| 21:45.59 | McAndrew | anyone knows a good webside where i can get informations about that? |
| 21:46.03 | cbug | unborn: why should it disconnect me? |
| 21:46.37 | unborn | cbug: if user is idle is there any needs to be connected? |
| 21:46.41 | awwal | Arrowmaster, ok (Y) |
| 21:46.57 | cbug | unborn: user is transfering 200gb.. i would not call that idle |
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| 21:47.37 | unborn | cbug: ah while transfer? i see.. do you have opened passive ports in your ftpd config? |
| 21:48.20 | cbug | unborn: I tried passive and active mode, but ftp localhost should not care about. |
| 21:48.37 | cbug | unborn: and pure-ftp tells me 220 You will be disconnected after 10 minutes of inactivity. |
| 21:48.43 | cbug | as idle timer |
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| 21:49.43 | unborn | cbug: on localhost you should not use any special configuration.. it should work out of the box |
| 21:49.51 | cbug | unborn: exactly |
| 21:50.13 | unborn | cbug: but that connection is slow on localhost anyway |
| 21:50.38 | cbug | unborn: I were issueing ls instead of the transfer while testing ftp localhost |
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| 21:51.11 | cbug | unborn: I currently do not care for the speed, but I care for the drop. - which happens exactly 20 seconds after successfull login |
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| 21:53.03 | unborn | cbug: you should as 14megs transferring files locally is - something is not right.. you would be faster transfer files locally by just copying then from one folder to another. since that is localhost which means one machine uploading nowhere I am not sure what issue could be.. sorry. |
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| 21:53.48 | stonerfish | ryouma did you find a solution to your question regarding powerr on/off state of monitor |
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| 21:54.40 | i5513 | hello, people, |
| 21:54.46 | michipili | hello :) |
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| 21:55.22 | michipili | hello! is there any package containing a dtd for "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" ? |
| 21:55.25 | cbug | unborn: nah, sorry u misunderstood me, I am sorry for that. - I explain full: the server is behind a router on a 100mbit connection. The client is somewhere else located. There I get 14mb/s. - after beeing disconnected every 20seconds, I started to investigate. I discovered that the 20 seconds disconnect is also while issueing ftp on the box itself. |
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| 21:55.47 | michipili | I tried w3c-sgml-lib but it does not |
| 21:55.59 | cbug | unborn: so it is not related with the remote connection |
| 21:56.25 | unborn | cbug: not localhost but lan aka localnet heh :) sorry for misunderstanding |
| 21:57.09 | i5513 | how can I be sure that exim4 not start at boot time ? I have tried to mask the service, but it did not work |
| 21:57.28 | unborn | cbug: must be something in config file then if that give you like 10 minutes of connection and then will kick you out |
| 21:57.35 | i5513 | I would like to start it after my user have login |
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| 21:58.46 | i5513 | michipili |
| 21:58.49 | i5513 | sgml-data: /usr/share/sgml/html/dtd/4.0/strict.dtd |
| 21:58.52 | i5513 | is it ? |
| 21:59.12 | i5513 | sgml-data: /usr/share/sgml/html/dtd/4.01/strict.dtd |
| 21:59.14 | unborn | cbug: did you check firewall on remote machine? |
| 21:59.15 | somiaj | i5513: masking the service didn't stop it from running? Did you disable it after you masked it? |
| 21:59.34 | somiaj | i5513: could it be some other service that is starting it, systemctl status should tell you what service is running exim. |
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| 22:00.37 | cbug | unborn: no, there is none, neigther nor. |
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| 22:01.03 | i5513 | mmm graphical.target have exim4 as dependency |
| 22:01.13 | i5513 | sudo systemctl list-dependencies exim4 --reverse |
| 22:01.48 | somiaj | i5513: why do you want to disable exim? What are you trying to get out of this (lots of things, though far less now than time past) assume the machine can at least deliver local mail. |
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| 22:02.18 | i5513 | so it will start it having exim4 masked |
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| 22:02.24 | i5513 | ? |
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| 22:02.49 | somiaj | i5513: there is a systemd channel that better knows. I thought mask would prevent things from starting it, but maybe only hooks, not dependencies |
| 22:02.58 | ryouma | stonerfish: no |
| 22:03.00 | somiaj | i5513: but what is your end goal, why don't you want exim running at boot? |
| 22:03.14 | ryouma | stonerfish: it obviously depends on the monitor |
| 22:03.25 | i5513 | my boot is very slow, I have surely some of network related problem when boot |
| 22:03.34 | i5513 | and exim have ~ 30 seconds on boot |
| 22:03.47 | ryouma | stonerfish: actually maybe there is something i don't know about that is monitor-independent |
| 22:03.48 | i5513 | but when logged it start without delay |
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| 22:04.08 | i5513 | I thought it was dns issue |
| 22:04.15 | unborn | cbug: this may be helpful http://list.pureftpd.narkive.com/pWNUYEAB/timeout-messages-how-to-fix |
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| 22:04.23 | i5513 | but not sure how debug the problem |
| 22:04.31 | i5513 | I disabled ipv6, and reverse dns |
| 22:04.37 | i5513 | but not luck |
| 22:04.39 | somiaj | i5513: how do you have exim configured? Do you use exim or a mail server? |
| 22:04.53 | i5513 | local delivery |
| 22:05.04 | i5513 | and use smart host |
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| 22:05.15 | somiaj | i5513: I didn't think exim would require the network, but I guess if you have it running on something other than lo. Hmm, that is odd, I would think running on lo it woudln't ahve to wait for the interface to be brought up |
| 22:05.30 | somiaj | i5513: what is smart host, relaying to another server? |
| 22:05.54 | somiaj | i5513: there is a systemd channel that may give you better advise on debugging this issue. I only know the basics |
| 22:05.56 | i5513 | yes, |
| 22:05.57 | unborn | cbug: perhaps you can try proftpd.. I switch to it long time ago.. |
| 22:06.05 | stonerfish | have you tried looking at output from 'xset -q' |
| 22:06.24 | i5513 | somiaj: thanks |
| 22:06.29 | stonerfish | ryouma |
| 22:06.41 | unborn | cbug: its actually best ftp server Ive come across. |
| 22:06.43 | jmcnaught | i5513: when exim4 took a long time to start did you look at "systemctl status exim4" or "journalctl -b -u exim4"? (exact unit name may be different) |
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| 22:07.02 | michipili | i5513: yes, thanks a lot! :) |
| 22:07.21 | i5513 | michilipili: apt-file search strict.dtd helps |
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| 22:07.33 | i5513 | michipili, sorry |
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| 22:07.42 | ryouma | stonerfish: interesting. "Monitor is On". so you're suggesting i set up a cron job every minute to test this? is there an interrupt-based equivalent? |
| 22:08.25 | i5513 | jmcnaught: I'm going to start the laptop where it happen (Another network, but I think I can get journalct from older boots) |
| 22:08.51 | ryouma | stonerfish: my goal is to log when i turn on and off the monitor. i just need timestamp and on or off |
| 22:09.05 | michipili | i5513, okay thank you for the hint! :) I'm needing this to polish the testsuite of bsdowl, a bunch of Makefiles (also available under Debian ;) ) |
| 22:09.17 | cbug | unborn: I take a look into it. thanks. |
| 22:09.23 | jmcnaught | i5513: journalctl can show previous boots with -b or --boot= if you have persistent journal |
| 22:12.04 | i5513 | Ok, at my current network, it take 15 seconds on boot |
| 22:13.46 | i5513 | only appear: 00:10:44 systemd: Stopped LSB: exim Mail => systemd: Starting exim => exim4: 00:10:59 Starting MTA: exim4 => systemd started LSB: exim |
| 22:14.27 | unborn | cbug: I use it on all my servers and in home.. you will get much higher speed and not known bugs to me on proftpd |
| 22:14.35 | i5513 | It appears like Loaded: masked. Active: active (running) |
| 22:14.52 | i5513 | and oone process exim4 -bd -q30m running |
| 22:15.36 | jmcnaught | i5513: i don't use exim4 (i use postfix) but it must have a log level setting to increase verbosity |
| 22:15.54 | jmcnaught | or look for /var/log/mail.err and mail.log |
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| 22:16.32 | i5513 | not hint on /var/log/{exim4}/*log |
| 22:16.42 | i5513 | nor /var/log/mail* |
| 22:16.56 | i5513 | will search about debugging exim4 |
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| 22:18.15 | stonerfish | ryouma No I was not suggesting a cron job. I thought you wanted to check if it was turned on or off. |
| 22:18.50 | i5513 | I have find an file on /etc/exim4/main/90_* where I can turn on debug |
| 22:19.06 | i5513 | I will see .. I'm going to change the laptop |
| 22:19.34 | i5513 | so I can copy-paste where /msg dpkg paste says |
| 22:19.40 | cbug | unborn: yeah, but it still seems to be a bug that I have to report. Anyway, thanks for your help, I have to go to bed :-( |
| 22:19.47 | stonerfish | Ryouma is your system use systemd? |
| 22:19.51 | cbug | unborn: gn8 |
| 22:22.59 | andril | is there any reason neofetch shows my nvidia video card correct but details shows ivy bridge in 8.4 |
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| 22:30.06 | ryouma | stonerfish yes, it is jessie (but you have logged out) |
| 22:31.12 | galex-713 | Does vocal transcription exist? |
| 22:31.23 | galex-713 | *free software vocal transcription |
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| 22:31.38 | galex-713 | I mean free software that recognize and transcibe oral speech |
| 22:32.17 | i5513 | http://paste.debian.net/715961/ |
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| 22:32.47 | i5513 | I have read systemd.special but it not point where time-sync is reading its config |
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| 22:33.18 | i5513 | and I have installed ntp client, so not sure if time-sync is really neccessary |
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| 22:49.27 | TechHermit | Hello, I'm running Debian Jessie 8.5 and am experiencing tearing. The tearing only occurs on my primary monitor, only in an area slightly below the black gnome bar. I have an nVidia card, but i'm trying to avoid installing the binary driver. |
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| 22:54.14 | solrize | is squeeze now eol? apt-get update no longer works. do i change apt-sources to debian 8 and run update and dist-upgrade? it's a small vps so i could just stash the user files elsewhere then reinstall the whole system which might be easier |
| 22:54.21 | solrize | but i'll probably have to do something similar on a bigger box soon |
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| 22:54.26 | uhf-cc | wow, this IRC is full of CC: https://web.chknet.eu |
| 22:54.48 | dvs | solrize, yes |
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| 22:56.20 | solrize | dvs thanks |
| 22:56.31 | dvs | no prob |
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| 22:57.03 | TechHermit | Any thoughts on my tearing issue? |
| 22:57.08 | solrize | i'm trying to put all this updating (a dozen or so scattered vps) in ansible and a lot of them fail for various reasons |
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| 23:03.25 | solrize | oh i see, it's hitting a "do you want to continue" prompt and not knowing what to do. gotta check ansible docs about handling that... |
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| 23:03.34 | aplayer | Wow, this IRC is full of CC: irc.crimeircd.net |
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| 23:04.57 | jmcnaught | solrize: don't upgrade directly from squeeze to jessie. you need to go squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie |
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| 23:05.55 | jmcnaught | solrize: you also may want to run through an upgrade manually on a single system following the release notes instructions before attempting to automate it in ansible |
| 23:05.58 | solrize | jmcnaught, hmm, ok. in this case it's a small vps so i can probably just reinstall it. i think all my others are running either wheezy or jessie |
| 23:05.59 | jmcnaught | solrize: https://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 23:06.36 | solrize | yeah i've been updating manually in the past, now trying to automate |
| 23:06.47 | solrize | oh you mean a full dist upgrade |
| 23:06.54 | solrize | ok yeah i should go through that again. i've done it about once |
| 23:07.32 | solrize | most of my systems are small enough that i can do a full backup before upgrading and restore if my user files get trashed |
| 23:07.36 | jmcnaught | solrize: do it following the instructions, take note of the debconf questions you get asked |
| 23:07.44 | solrize | ok |
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| 23:08.17 | jmcnaught | and then it's still best to test your ansible dist-upgrade playbook on a VM before using it on production servers |
| 23:08.50 | solrize | yeah maybe i'll do all dist-upgrades manually since there aren't that many and it's relatively rare compared to regular upgrades |
| 23:09.09 | jmcnaught | definitely don't forget to read the release notes |
| 23:09.17 | solrize | ok |
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