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| 03:51.55 | solrize | so i had a bunch of "these packages have been held back" so did a dist-upgrade, and can no longer log into the box. |
| 03:51.57 | solrize | "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0" |
| 03:52.09 | solrize | some config may have changed |
| 03:52.38 | solrize | i can trash the box but there's another one that i'm afraid to upgrade now |
| 03:53.11 | jmcnaught | solrize: why did you need to use dist-upgrade, which packages were held back? did dist-upgrade remove packages? which ones? |
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| 03:54.07 | solrize | a bunch of them were held back, it's not on my screen any more. i think dist-upgrade removed gcc 4.7 and installed 4.9 but i didn't notice any other removals |
| 03:54.25 | solrize | i can ssh to it now but i never get a shell |
| 03:55.15 | jmcnaught | solrize: boot into recovery mode, or with a live disk, and look at /var/log/apt/history.log or term.log |
| 03:55.34 | solrize | it's a vps 5000 miles away |
| 03:55.45 | jmcnaught | solrize: what's it running? |
| 03:55.49 | solrize | wheezy |
| 03:56.02 | solrize | i can run remote commands on it with ssh, just not get a prompt |
| 03:56.06 | err403a | I am going to wait until morning for trying the booting from disk, so that I can complete a download of Debian 8.5 Live CD. |
| 03:56.07 | solrize | so i can scp off the user files then reinstall |
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| 03:56.31 | solrize | it doesn't seem to be able to allocate ptys |
| 03:56.31 | jmcnaught | solrize: were you trying to upgrade to jessie? there's no console access with your VPS provider? |
| 03:57.00 | solrize | oh hmm right yeah there might be console access. i forgot about that. no i wasn't upgrading to jessie, there were just a bunch of held-back packages on wheezy |
| 03:57.19 | jmcnaught | err403a: the debian installer might be better because it has a rescue mode that has a grub install feature that you might find useful |
| 03:57.25 | solrize | and i found something about it on stackoverflow that said to dist-upgrade |
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| 03:57.56 | solrize | that particular vps had nothing on it to speak of but i have some more important ones that are worrying |
| 03:58.14 | jmcnaught | solrize: it's important to read the message about which packages will be added or removed (which happens with dist-upgrade) before answering yes |
| 03:58.52 | err403 | Am I correct that all of the Debian Disks are bootable? I am going to bed. See you all tomorrow. i caught a bug, and not feeling great. |
| 03:58.59 | solrize | i didn't see anything in it that looked like it might mess up ptys |
| 03:59.46 | Rusty1_ | ssh -vv user@host yield anything useful? |
| 04:00.14 | solrize | hmm my favorite pastebin is down |
| 04:00.15 | jmcnaught | err403: i hope you're feeling better. you should be able to boot a debian install disk, it's how you generally install. good night :) |
| 04:00.47 | jmcnaught | solrize: http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
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| 04:01.01 | solrize | http://paste.debian.net/720804/ |
| 04:01.04 | solrize | yeah that works |
| 04:01.11 | solrize | i usually use lpaste.net |
| 04:01.37 | solrize | those are the kept-back on a different wheezy vps |
| 04:02.12 | jmcnaught | !bat |
| 04:02.13 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 04:02.21 | yosimitesam | whats the deal with omitting the binary video acceleration x module for r200 |
| 04:02.39 | jmcnaught | solrize: can you do the apt-cache policy on its own, and with some of the packages that are held back? |
| 04:03.03 | solrize | sec |
| 04:04.10 | solrize | output is here, from the machine i can't ssh to: http://paste.debian.net/720815/ |
| 04:04.23 | solrize | the other one was from a working vps |
| 04:05.11 | jmcnaught | solrize: you have some sources as "stable" (which is jessie) instead of wheezy |
| 04:05.44 | jmcnaught | solrize: so you've basically done an accidental partial upgrade to jessie |
| 04:05.48 | solrize | oh hmm, so i have a mixed jessie/wheezy system. i think the default template used stable |
| 04:05.50 | solrize | yeah that makes sense |
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| 04:06.19 | solrize | yeah, sources.list uses both stable and wheezy |
| 04:06.22 | solrize | hmm |
| 04:06.31 | yosimitesam | are you goddamn hardware bastards trying to force people to buy the $8,999 gpu video boards..you sons of bitches owe me a lot of money for the model1 ideas you bastards stole and you goddamn thieves need to pay. |
| 04:06.33 | solrize | probably not worth trying to salvage this instead of installing jessie from scratch |
| 04:06.45 | solrize | yosimitesam hehee |
| 04:07.25 | solrize | interesting, the other one is set up the same way. uses stable and wheezy-updates |
| 04:07.28 | tonk | yosimitesam, wtf are you talking about? |
| 04:07.34 | solrize | so i guess i can change wheezy to jessie and upgrade |
| 04:07.55 | jmcnaught | solrize: you could try finishing the upgrade to jessie, the instructions are here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 04:08.10 | solrize | thanks |
| 04:08.11 | jmcnaught | solrize: might be difficult you don't have console access |
| 04:08.36 | solrize | maybe i can kludge that somehow |
| 04:08.53 | yosimitesam | i am talking about using microcomputer hardware for any business use or personal use or entertainment use or digital communications use or external device control use..or a hell of a lot of other model 1 ideas that were stolen without payment of royalties for the ideas |
| 04:08.58 | solrize | i should read this whole doc before doing any more upgrades though |
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| 04:10.02 | yosimitesam | tonk...what am i talking about..i am talking about trillions of dollars of earned incrome from model 1 ideas from all around the globe without payment of royalties |
| 04:10.07 | Rusty1_ | yosimitesam: do you troll on weekends or is it a 9 to 5 gig? |
| 04:10.43 | yosimitesam | fuck you bastard...you are the kind of shit that is probably guilty of theft and you need to pay what you fuckin ower |
| 04:10.53 | tonk | You're nuts, yosimitesam |
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| 04:11.38 | tonk | !ping |
| 04:11.38 | dpkg | Yes, tonk you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
| 04:11.50 | jmcnaught | yosimitesam: please watch your language in here. this place is for Debian tech support, maybe you're looking for a social channel like ##chat |
| 04:12.00 | ozmage | hello what is the correct way to fix this ? |
| 04:12.02 | ozmage | W: http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release.gpg: Signature by key 4CCA1EAF950CEE4AB83976DCA040830F7FAC5991 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1) |
| 04:12.02 | ozmage | W: http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release.gpg: Signature by key 3B068FB4789ABE4AEFA3BB491397BC53640DB551 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1) |
| 04:12.15 | yosimitesam | jmcn..no i stopped in to file an issue with debian testing |
| 04:12.27 | jmcnaught | !debian-next |
| 04:12.28 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 04:13.42 | yosimitesam | dpkg..ok whoop tee do!!!. |
| 04:13.46 | ozmage | any help ? |
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| 04:14.43 | jmcnaught | ozmage: that's just a warning. you could complain to google about it since it's their repo. Is this on stretch/sid? |
| 04:15.23 | ozmage | jmcnaught yes sid |
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| 04:16.41 | jmcnaught | ozmage: stable/jessie doesn't have this problem. you could also use chromium instead of chrome. see also the message above about #debian-next. |
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| 04:17.27 | ozmage | no problem is just warnings |
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| 04:17.38 | ozmage | the app is working |
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| 04:34.23 | mela234 | Can anyone help. I'm trying to recover deleted files from a memory card using foremost. It doesnt seem to find anything |
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| 04:39.12 | aoluser | mela234: have you tried photorec? |
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| 04:56.26 | solrize_ | ffrescue? |
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| 04:56.33 | solrize_ | ddrescue i mean |
| 04:56.48 | solrize_ | or hmmm there was another thing like that |
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| 05:11.36 | solrize_ | how do i figure out which package avconv is in? aptitude search doesn't find it, but apt-get update seems to have updated it |
| 05:11.47 | solrize_ | i want to uninstall it since i use ffmpeg |
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| 05:46.29 | cra213 | Hi guys n gals. What's the recommended way of building Debian kernels (other than 4.5 or 3.16) from upstream source? |
| 05:47.23 | somiaj | cra213: upstream source has a make deb-pkg or something like that. It shoudl be set up to work with debian building tools and build you apackage |
| 05:48.18 | cra213 | somiaj. I know, but that doesn't give me all the needed packages. There will be no linux-tools, linux-firmware-*, linux-kbuild... |
| 05:48.52 | somiaj | cra213: any reason you need to have everyting all split apart like the debian kernels are. A single package should work fine. |
| 05:49.31 | cra213 | somiaj. So, those files are included in the make deb-pkg's output? |
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| 05:49.52 | somiaj | I belive so, its been a while since i've built my own kernel, but all the files you need should be put in the package it creates. |
| 05:50.47 | somiaj | I'm unsure about the firmware since that will be installed in /lib/firmware, but I am fairly sure that the suggest way is to use the make file. There is also make-kpkg if you want to use the older method. |
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| 05:51.15 | cra213 | ok, ty |
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| 06:08.22 | tixnok | Hey guys i wanna format "write protected USB", i try it on Windows and not working, and i try using "Tails installer" on Linux Tails, and work as well, can anyone tell me what command tails use for do that ? Thanks |
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| 06:21.50 | c-c | I'm making a metapackage build script. I have a list of packages in file deps-file and the version in version-file, and a control file templage generated with equivs-control (where all fields are commented out). How would you replace deps-file and version-file contents into the control-template? |
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| 06:22.27 | vlt | solrize_: The package is called libav-tools. |
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| 06:22.44 | solrize_ | thanks |
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| 06:23.15 | vlt | solrize_: `which avconv` tells you the binary, `dpkg -S $(which avconv)` shows the package. |
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| 06:25.26 | vlt | tixnok: Could you explain what âwrite protected USBâ means? Is the USB device write protected or do you want to make something write protected? |
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| 06:26.21 | mutante | imagines a physical switch like on floppies |
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| 06:48.51 | vlt | Hello I just discovered that thereâs a user called systemd-timesync. Do I still need to install ntp if I just want to keep the correct system time or is there something else now?? |
| 06:48.53 | vlt | -? |
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| 06:53.14 | eipi10 | Sage isn't in the repos, for one. |
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| 06:57.01 | solrize_ | vlt oh thanks, i didn't know about using dpkg that way, i thought aptitude search was the way to find the package |
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| 06:58.08 | babilen | solrize_: I typically use "apt-cache search ..." |
| 06:58.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell solrize_ about search |
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| 06:58.30 | solrize_ | thanks |
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| 06:58.45 | babilen | There are many other tools for more specialised search queries. I use apt-file and debtags most often. |
| 06:59.20 | solrize_ | i'm about to go to bed but will try to check into more of those tomorrow.... thanks again gnite |
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| 07:34.13 | jelly | dagerik: open it in a mail client? |
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| 07:35.04 | MaBunny | guys how do i include the jessie-backports in my sources??? |
| 07:35.17 | jelly | MaBunny: /msg dpkg jessie-backports |
| 07:36.19 | jelly | dagerik: put it in a folder and open said folder. Eg. mkdir -p a/{cur,new,tmp}; cp file.eml a/new; mutt -f a/ |
| 07:36.55 | jelly | a valid mail folder that is, the above makes a Maildir format structure |
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| 07:38.36 | jelly | if you need to automate, there's "metamail", and mime libraries for many languages |
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| 08:14.20 | Harm133 | Hey guys, I've made a little bash script to remove viocemails on freepbx box. Just wondering if I did something stupid or could clear things up :)? http://paste.debian.net/plain/721488 |
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| 08:41.18 | jdiez_ | Hi! I have a really strange issue with Debian 7 on a BeagleBone Black. I have a /etc/network/interfaces file with "allow-hotplug eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp". When this BeagleBone starts, the Ethernet cable is not connected. If I connect the Ethernet cable after boot, Debian does not get an IP address automatically. |
| 08:41.22 | jdiez_ | any ideas? |
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| 08:41.56 | jdiez_ | (the interface does go into the 'up' state, but it just seems like the dhclient does not request an IP address) |
| 08:42.45 | jdiez_ | And if the Ethernet cable is connected at boot, it does get an IP address automatically |
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| 08:49.35 | jdiez_ | interestingly, I am able to ping it over IPv6 |
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| 08:50.38 | unborn | guys I have problem to boot up gnome iso on one computer.. while booting up from live dvd, it comes to point where it displays me okayed messages and last state: started GNOME display manager.... enents daemon.13....eged tasks....es.ink was shut down.... then nothing happen.. any idea? |
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| 08:51.13 | unborn | it just stuck in there |
| 08:51.16 | jelly | jdiez_: try asking in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:51.27 | jdiez_ | jelly: Thanks! |
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| 09:01.28 | MaBunny | has debian 8.5 been released??? |
| 09:03.21 | jelly | MaBunny: is it in the topic?!?!? |
| 09:03.40 | MaBunny | idk |
| 09:03.57 | jelly | try reading the topic then |
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| 09:04.12 | jelly | /topic |
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| 09:04.55 | MaBunny | i was updating my packages and it showed base-files(8+deb8u5) |
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| 09:24.02 | Iridos | I guess it's ok if you also get a random answer to that? |
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| 09:30.05 | julius | hi |
| 09:30.28 | julius | when installing a system to a chroot, will systemd play havoc with the running system? |
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| 09:38.08 | babilen | julius: Are you having problems with that? Why do you think it would happen? |
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| 09:56.41 | julius | im not experience with systemd, but my running system had some weird output when shutting down ive never seen before. and i did use debootstrap/chroot/apt in another install |
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| 10:06.57 | halt | Hi, all a crazy question, what's the best way ( lighest least dirty ) to change the dns server settings /etc/resolv.cnf for one process ? apart from running it docker or soemthing |
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| 10:08.48 | ashb | halt: LD_PRELOAD? |
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| 10:10.41 | ashb | halt: or using namespaces (which is how docker does some of it's magic) http://serverfault.com/questions/510027/how-to-set-a-per-user-resolv-conf |
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| 10:11.16 | ozmage | hello guys i need this pkg https://mentors.debian.net/package/ppsspp |
| 10:11.23 | ozmage | where i can get it |
| 10:11.28 | ozmage | and how ? |
| 10:11.55 | halt | ashb: thanks I read it up, now with LD_PRELOAD isn't that for libs ? |
| 10:12.07 | themill | dpkg: tell ozmage about cross-post |
| 10:12.32 | ashb | halt: yeah - and name resolution is done via libnss stuff. I think. I'm not sure how easy it would be to do |
| 10:12.59 | halt | I see ok, I try it, thanks again will see |
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| 10:37.29 | venkat_330 | petn-ran1all: nkuttler: Finally got my printer working with N2600 & I3 in debian 8 with libusb 0.1 . I had to make 2 changes finally one in Code (bulk_transfer read size has to be set to 64) and in bios had to disable XHCI mode for USB. Thanks for all your clues |
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| 10:42.15 | boser | debian is great. If it runs. *runaway* lol |
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| 10:51.51 | nkuttler | venkat_330: consider writing a bug report, in case somebody has the same problem |
| 10:52.22 | nkuttler | and congrats ;) |
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| 10:54.39 | Zavan | Hi! I'm having a problem with controlling sound using my multimedia keys. They're detected (verified using xev) but aren't being processed by xfce4-volumed. |
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| 10:55.31 | Zavan | I was hoping some of you guys might be able to help me out, even though I'm rolling BunsenLabs linux, not Debian. |
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| 10:57.26 | venkat_330 | nkuttler: How to do that.. |
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| 10:58.33 | jelly | Zavan: fwiw those keys did not work for me in xfce even on actual debian 8 |
| 10:58.52 | nkuttler | venkat_330: which code did you modify? |
| 10:59.09 | Zavan | jelly: good to know, I figured as much. Part of me wants to just create new keybindings, but this is a lazy solution. |
| 10:59.15 | nkuttler | venkat_330: probably the package that code belongs to |
| 10:59.25 | nkuttler | venkat_330: and using reportbug |
| 10:59.37 | venkat_330 | nkuttler: My changes were not related to kernel One in BIOS setting & other in my application. |
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| 11:02.07 | vlt | Hello. I installed Debian 8.5 and mate-desktop-environment. Do I have to install cups to be able to print or what is the default printing system (nowadays)? |
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| 11:03.02 | colo-work | vlt, you'll need cups to print, yes |
| 11:03.19 | colo-work | (I wonder if that shouldn't already be a dependency of your DE, however) |
| 11:03.58 | Pinsel | i am getting this error since i installed lasted debian paket updates with apt-get: sp5100_tco I/O = adress alraedy in use |
| 11:04.04 | vlt | colo-work: Thank you. Seems not to be installed by default with pkg mate-desktop-environment. |
| 11:04.22 | Pinsel | i am using the latest backport kernel 4.5 |
| 11:04.43 | Pinsel | which package update could have caused this error? |
| 11:05.20 | Zavan | jelly: how did you fix your issue? |
| 11:06.03 | jelly | Zavan: I didn't |
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| 11:06.22 | colo-work | Pinsel, precisely that; the kernel. there's probably a new driver available for that device. |
| 11:06.27 | Zavan | :c |
| 11:06.38 | colo-work | however, the "error" should not affect you nagetively. is there evidence it does? |
| 11:07.24 | Pinsel | i havent noticed any problems yet |
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| 11:07.56 | Pinsel | for what is sp5100_tco responsible? |
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| 11:09.54 | luffy_ | hallo |
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| 11:37.19 | ntz_ | hello |
| 11:37.54 | ntz_ | is here in this (Fine) distro available a el5+ `iptables' like service ? |
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| 11:38.40 | babilen | ntz_: You can install iptables, yes |
| 11:38.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell ntz_ about firewall |
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| 11:40.19 | ciobi | Hello |
| 11:41.12 | ciobi | Somebody knows how to use colors in the console ? I mean when you login to root and hace colored the motd day msg |
| 11:41.29 | ciobi | Is there a list with the color codes or something ? |
| 11:42.26 | ntz_ | babilen: it's funny how in channels (often) best supporters know only that one thing :D .... iptables like service has nothing to do with `iptables' binary JFYI |
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| 11:43.46 | babilen | ntz_: What is an "iptables like service" ? |
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| 11:44.53 | ntz_ | it's simple service reading (usually) /etc/sysconfig/iptables and restoring flushing rules .... old-skull debian method (in mid/late 90's) was to do iptables-restore < /path from rc.local |
| 11:45.18 | babilen | ntz_: You are probably looking for iptables-persistent then |
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| 11:45.26 | ntz_ | good, thanks |
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| 11:47.20 | ntz_ | babilen: btw, I've written that service for myself, it's here https://github.com/dpecka/my_trash_bin/blob/master/microfw.sysconfig, https://github.com/dpecka/my_trash_bin/blob/master/microfw and https://github.com/dpecka/my_trash_bin/blob/master/microfw.initd |
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| 11:47.42 | ntz_ | but I'm lazy to maintain package (doing this for other distros already) |
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| 11:48.19 | pyvpx | hi, I'm not sure if this is a libvirt thing or a debian thing but I'm trying here first. can anyone tell me the magic incantation to get auto install working from a netboot install using virt-install? |
| 11:49.05 | jjulian | hey, im having a dhcp issue. When im starting with the network cable plugged the device gets its ip. But when im starting without cable plugged and plug it later it wont retrieve any ip from dhcp. im on debian jessie. The only things i can see in journal ctl for older boots is that the kernel chooses a random ip. Any ideas what could do the trick or what im missing? |
| 11:49.08 | pyvpx | my extra args has auto=true and priority=critical, as well as specifying http in the url=, and I set hostname, domain, locale, and keyboard mapping. it still never grabs the preseed.cfg |
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| 11:50.45 | ntz_ | jjulian: show us please etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:50.59 | ntz_ | assuming you don't use some higher level like NM |
| 11:51.15 | jjulian | nm and connman are uninstalled completely |
| 11:51.37 | jjulian | ntz_: auto eth0\n iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 11:51.51 | jjulian | ntz_: same for lo device |
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| 11:54.56 | ntz_ | jjulian: apt-get install netplug |
| 11:55.08 | ntz_ | or something like that (ifplugd) ... |
| 11:55.21 | jjulian | ive got netplug installed and use it for a specific case whyen a cable is plugged |
| 11:55.58 | ntz_ | sorry, it's "ifplugd" |
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| 11:56.19 | ntz_ | ifplugd - configuration daemon for ethernet devices |
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| 12:04.39 | jjulian | ntz_: seems like i have to configure more then just install it |
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| 12:07.52 | babilen | jjulian: What kind of device is this? |
| 12:08.14 | jjulian | in this case its a beagle bone |
| 12:09.24 | jjulian | babilen: in my knowledge there was no need for nm or connman to do dhclient if cable is plugged. but it feels like that was wrong :> so i guess im doing that with my netplug script |
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| 12:28.41 | hassoon | i liked this desktop environment called Lumina, and it has instructions for installing it in debian jessie which are about downloading a .key file then performing an apt-key command on it, is that safe? |
| 12:28.46 | hassoon | or is that sane, at the least ? |
| 12:28.55 | hassoon | it's there http://lumina-desktop.org/get-lumina/#debian |
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| 12:31.56 | centrx | hassoon: It allows the owner of that key to provide software to you for installation, without warnings/errors about it being from an untrusted source |
| 12:32.23 | centrx | hassoon: So if you trust them, add the key |
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| 12:34.56 | hassoon | well anyone tried this lumina? i fear getting my dear debian infected by some malcious stuff, although I liked this lumina DE |
| 12:34.57 | WormFood | Is there some way, to see which processes are using the swap space? |
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| 12:38.59 | hassoon | meh i forgot that i have the almighty KDE, with XFCE and i3wm, why should I mess with my repositories list to get this lumina |
| 12:39.02 | hassoon | stupid me |
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| 12:59.51 | emilsp | hello, has anyone had any experience running debian on AWS ? |
| 13:00.17 | emilsp | I'd very much want my debian AMI to resize the rootfs on startup so that it takes advantage of the extra space I've allocated |
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| 13:01.42 | aswen | Hi there, I tried to update my nonfree adobe flashplayer which is outdated. But I get 404's on people.debian.org when I run "update-flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 13:02.13 | aswen | is there something I did wrong? |
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| 13:09.46 | madrik | Hi. Will an HP DeskJet 2130 work with Debian 8? |
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| 13:11.53 | ntz_ | madrik: if it works with linux, it will work with debian too |
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| 13:14.11 | madrik | ntz_: It seems that a 2130 needs HPLIP 3.15.6 or greater, but Debian 8 has only 3.14.6. Bad luck, I guess. |
| 13:14.54 | somiaj | ,v hplip |
| 13:14.56 | judd | Package: hplip on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.10.6-2+squeeze2; squeeze: 3.10.6-2+squeeze2; wheezy: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u1; jessie: 3.14.6-1+b2; jessie-backports: 3.16.3+repack0-1~bpo8+1; sid: 3.16.5+repack0-1; stretch: 3.16.5+repack0-1 |
| 13:15.03 | somiaj | 3.16.3 is in jessie-backports |
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| 13:16.15 | jelly | that's for printing, and what about scanning |
| 13:16.59 | madrik | Hmm. I read somewhere that backports aren't all that highly recommended. Something to do with stability? |
| 13:17.17 | madrik | I haven't ever used them. |
| 13:17.35 | somiaj | madrik: they aren't as well tested as jessie packages, but thy are still recomended in the case that someone needs the newer software (which is why debian provides them) |
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| 13:18.10 | somiaj | in this case I would use them, it isn't recommended to upgrade all your packages to jessie-backports, but using a few in cases like this where newer hardware support (or some other feature is needed) is jsut fine. |
| 13:18.30 | emilsp | what would be the sysd equivalent of this https://www.elastic.co/blog/autoresize-ebs-root-volume-on-aws-amis ? |
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| 13:18.54 | madrik | Okay, thanks. |
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| 13:20.32 | madrik | Pardon me for going a bit meta. AFAICT, a backport depends on the individual maintainer. |
| 13:21.17 | madrik | So, I can't help but wonder what I would have done if a package (such as HPLIP) didn't have a backport. |
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| 13:22.41 | themill | You could make your own potentially |
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| 13:22.58 | madrik | Would that be very hard? |
| 13:23.13 | centrx | !ssb |
| 13:23.13 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 13:23.27 | centrx | madrik: Sometimes itâs easy, sometimes itâs not |
| 13:24.28 | madrik | That looks straightforward. |
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| 13:37.11 | In33dt0kn0w | how can I fix a stalled torrent in transmission ? |
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| 13:39.40 | Iridos | how do you fix your bank account when there's no money in it at the end of the month |
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| 13:43.51 | In33dt0kn0w | Iridos, Got it ^_^ thanks |
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| 13:44.11 | Iridos | same way! |
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| 13:47.36 | jubo2 | Hello people |
| 13:47.51 | jubo2 | and thanks for the awesomest server OS on Planet Earth |
| 13:48.11 | jubo2 | Some say Arch is better. I dunno, I've used only Debian since version 6 |
| 13:48.21 | jubo2 | I am having mail delivery problems |
| 13:48.33 | jubo2 | some social medias I host need to have a way to send email |
| 13:48.57 | jubo2 | incoming mail is handled by a machine by my registrar |
| 13:49.23 | jubo2 | I've installed msmtp |
| 13:49.32 | jubo2 | but it won't work |
| 13:49.43 | ntz_ | giggles about "awesomest" part :D considering debian rather truly as one of the worst distros from many reasons |
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| 13:50.00 | jubo2 | Stays up for years and years |
| 13:50.06 | jubo2 | and does not glitch |
| 13:50.24 | jubo2 | life would be hell if the server softwares were giving trouble like these consumer grade rubbish always is |
| 13:50.59 | ntz_ | jubo2: what exactly is your problem ? sending from debian to your MX or receiving (local) emails ? |
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| 13:51.25 | jubo2 | ntz_: sending to the SMTP server provided by my email guys |
| 13:51.44 | jubo2 | it wants credentials.. |
| 13:51.51 | ntz_ | does: host -t mx your.do.ma.in give you a MX record ? |
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| 13:52.01 | jubo2 | it should |
| 13:52.30 | jubo2 | yeah. all is good there |
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| 13:53.53 | ntz_ | jubo2: look for smtp-auth-* options in mailx manual ... one of it is smtp-auth-password ... |
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| 13:54.11 | jubo2 | hmm.. |
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| 13:55.12 | jubo2 | I'm not sure if mailx is installed |
| 13:55.21 | ntz_ | jubo2: then ofc put your vars to $HOME/.mailrc |
| 13:55.28 | jubo2 | this email stuff is very complicated if you don't know it by heart |
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| 13:56.59 | jubo2 | aptitude says mailx is not a real package and is provided by each of these: bsd-mailx, heirloom-mailx, mailutils |
| 13:57.49 | ntz_ | pick up bsd-mailx |
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| 14:01.55 | jubo2 | ok.. I made the .mailrc file |
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| 14:02.14 | jubo2 | how do I test if it is working.. open alpine and try to send an email |
| 14:02.34 | jubo2 | or do I need to start something somewhere before the damn email starts getting to the Internets? |
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| 14:03.31 | unborn | jubo2: just open terminal and send test email out and then start using it |
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| 14:04.05 | jubo2 | nope. alpine is silently failing |
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| 14:06.11 | jubo2 | bsd-mailx doesn't recognize the '-A' switch |
| 14:06.27 | jubo2 | I'm looking at these instructions http://www.thelinuxtips.com/tag/mailrc/ |
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| 14:08.38 | ntz_ | jubo2: okay, use heirloom variant, that shall supports -A |
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| 14:10.05 | jubo2 | ok. progress. |
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| 14:10.31 | jubo2 | Tries to connect to the SMTP server over TLS but complains my credentials weren't good |
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| 14:14.07 | ntz_ | smtp-use-starttls,ssl-verify=ignore .... |
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| 14:15.34 | jubo2 | I added 'set ssl-verify=ignore' and I get the same error complaining that my credentials are not good |
| 14:17.15 | jelly | could the reason be your auth info is... not good? |
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| 14:18.22 | ntz_ | perhaps you need a valid certified (signed by CA of your mailserver) |
| 14:18.28 | ntz_ | **certificate |
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| 14:18.44 | ntz_ | jubo2: what set of smtp-auth- opts do you use ? |
| 14:19.32 | jelly | heirloom mailx account syntax is suspiciously similar to muttrc syntax |
| 14:19.53 | ciobi | Somebody know the codes for color for the ssh motd ? |
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| 14:21.18 | Devastator | does anybody remember the factoid to fix grub boot that was replaced by windows 7? thank you |
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| 14:22.03 | jhutchins | ciobi: I think this has codes that should work: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ |
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| 14:22.16 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 14:22.17 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 14:22.54 | jhutchins | ciobi: See section 6. |
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| 14:23.45 | Devastator | jhutchins thank you |
| 14:24.14 | ciobi | Thank you sooooo much ....i was looking for that ...but i thing my friend google hate,s me :) thx that will be ussefull |
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| 14:25.10 | jubo2 | jelly: My auth info gets me into my registrar web UI just fine |
| 14:25.54 | Devastator | jhutchins is there a way to check my root filesystem device? I'm not sure if it is /dev/sda2, also should I use mount -t ext2 even if it is ext3? |
| 14:26.06 | jubo2 | jelly: I sent them email and paste of the error I get when trying to talk with mail.gandi.net from nederlands1.consumium.org .. I suspect they have to enable "Yes. this machine is allowed to SMTP." somewhere |
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| 14:26.30 | jubo2 | also: friend called and said he is coming over to pay his phone bill so moving into beer-mode now |
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| 14:34.03 | Devastator | should I mount my root filesystem with -t ext2 even if it is ext3? afaik it should work, as the main difference between the two is journal, no? |
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| 14:34.13 | babilen | To do what? |
| 14:34.30 | Devastator | babilen to reinstall grub boot |
| 14:34.32 | babilen | And yes, it's the journal |
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| 14:34.50 | babilen | Do whatever you fancy most |
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| 14:35.26 | Devastator | babilen so I will follow !fixgrub to the T, except the EFI part, as mine is legacy |
| 14:35.38 | babilen | Sounds like a plan |
| 14:35.49 | Devastator | thank you, as always :) |
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| 14:36.47 | jhutchins | Devastator: The mount command will show you how it's mounted. You can mount ext3 as ext2, or add a journal to ext2 to make it ext3. I would recommend using ext3 if possible. |
| 14:36.55 | jelly | Devastator: don't take the factoid literally; if your /boot is ext3, mount it as such |
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| 14:37.50 | jelly | ext2 was probably the most used for /boot 15 years ago or whenever the factoid was written |
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| 14:38.15 | jelly | er, root fs. |
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| 14:43.31 | MadHatter42 | https://github.com/aglipanci/monx |
| 14:43.35 | MadHatter42 | whoever is interested |
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| 14:44.34 | jelly | MadHatter42: if you advertise, at least provide a one liner description |
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| 14:44.51 | MadHatter42 | thats an open source monitoring system |
| 14:44.52 | c0mrade | I've got an old server lying around collecting dust which is an HP ProLiant ML110 G6 Server. |
| 14:44.52 | c0mrade | I am thinking about setting up IPMI/LO100 for remote BIOS-level access and setup |
| 14:44.52 | c0mrade | XenServer and OpenStack on it, as well configure VPN, DDNS and port forwarding on my router to provide services online. |
| 14:44.52 | c0mrade | I was thinking if anyone got some time to work on this together and I'll give remote access :P |
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| 14:44.55 | MadHatter42 | that i;m developing |
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| 14:45.09 | MadHatter42 | jelly, monitoring system in nodejs |
| 14:45.17 | MadHatter42 | with different updated technologies |
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| 14:46.17 | jelly | nagios config and plugin compatible? |
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| 14:46.50 | MadHatter42 | jelly, its more point and click |
| 14:46.59 | MadHatter42 | no setup needed |
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| 14:47.25 | jelly | not going to point and click my way thru 500 devices |
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| 14:47.36 | jelly | maybe it's for someone else |
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| 14:50.42 | Devastator | jhutchins, jelly thanks! I'm using jessie netinst cd, if I follow the factoid, it gives me "No such file or directory" when I attempt to mount -t ext2 /dev/sda6 /target, when I tried rescue mode, it gives me a list of devices, I select /dev/sda6 and there is an option to reinstall grub, but I was afraid to use it as I don't know if it would give me more options to install grub in /dev/sda for |
| 14:50.43 | Devastator | example or install it to /dev/sda6 instead |
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| 14:57.00 | MadHatter42 | jelly currently monitoring 500 websites in fact with just one node |
| 14:57.17 | MadHatter42 | but its for web mostly |
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| 15:01.01 | r3ply` | Hello, i'm trying to boot a fresh install of debian, when it boots, at some point during, the monitor goes blank, like there is a graphics issue. How can I tell the system to boot in failsafe or basic graphics mode? |
| 15:01.41 | jhutchins | r3ply`: Which release? |
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| 15:02.45 | jhutchins | Devastator: What does sda6 have to do with it? |
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| 15:04.00 | jhutchins | Devastator: Grub is usually installed to the MBR of the device, so /dev/sda, not a partition like /dev/sda2 or /dev/sda6 |
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| 15:05.12 | r3ply` | i'm not 100% sure which one, as someone else did the install.. its a new version, debian 8, from grub i can see its using kernel 3.16.0-4-686 |
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| 15:07.11 | r3ply` | Here, I found the installation disk that was used |
| 15:08.01 | jhutchins | r3ply`: 8 is close enough, you have systemd. |
| 15:08.07 | r3ply` | This disk is labeled Debian GNU/Linux 8.5.0 "Jessie" - Official i386 CD Binary.... |
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| 15:09.29 | jhutchins | r3ply`: I need to look up the syntax, you'll add something to the kernel command line in grub... |
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| 15:11.38 | jhutchins | r3ply`: Can you do Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get a console? |
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| 15:12.18 | r3ply` | at the grub prompt, or once it appears the system has booted but nothing on the monitor? |
| 15:12.44 | nkuttler | what's this pinentry thing that started to ask me for my php passphrase in icedove.. any ideas why this suddenly appeared? |
| 15:13.00 | nkuttler | not exactly sure when, i usually use mutt |
| 15:13.02 | jelly | pgp* ? |
| 15:13.13 | nkuttler | gr, yeah |
| 15:13.14 | nkuttler | gpg |
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| 15:13.45 | nkuttler | i wouldn't really care, but it doesn't remember the passphrase, not even for inline attachments.. |
| 15:13.47 | jelly | could be the (newer) icedove build is storing sensitive info in your waller |
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| 15:13.54 | jelly | wallet* |
| 15:14.20 | nkuttler | i use the main repo icedove.. i guess i could try to "fix" this by upgrading to mdn? |
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| 15:14.45 | nkuttler | sylpheed uses pinentry as well and doesn't remember passphrases. that just used to work :| |
| 15:14.51 | jhutchins | r3ply`: Once you have finished booting. |
| 15:15.10 | jhutchins | r3ply`: I think you can still just add 1 to the kernel command line. |
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| 15:15.24 | jhutchins | r3ply`: Possibly target=rescue.target |
| 15:16.02 | r3ply` | 1 is graphical init? |
| 15:16.28 | jhutchins | r3ply`: One should be no GUI, console only. The syntax might also be systemd.unit=rescue.target |
| 15:16.55 | jhutchins | r3ply`: Some docs imply just "rescue" or "emergency" will work, emergency will have the root filesystem read-only. |
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| 15:19.34 | k3rn3lwalk3r | hi |
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| 15:20.09 | k3rn3lwalk3r | will qwebkit be added in pyqt4 again? |
| 15:20.51 | k3rn3lwalk3r | ?? |
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| 15:21.53 | nkuttler | k3rn3lwalk3r: no |
| 15:21.58 | nkuttler | !tell k3rn3lwalk3r about debian-next |
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| 15:23.08 | k3rn3lwalk3r | alright thanks |
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| 15:23.45 | H4ndy | Dagger: in case you are there, I had to add "accept_ra 1" to my /etc/network/interfaces configuration. Somewhere there is forwarding activated which defaults accept_ra to 0 during initialization (no idea where but now it works) |
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| 15:27.49 | Sockseven_1 | Afternoon all. Anyone know how to get /var mounted as a tmpfs. I 'd like to have its contents initalised from /var from disk at boot but im stumped |
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| 15:28.49 | Devastator | jhutchins in rescue mode it tells me to select the root filesystem, /dev/sda6 is my root fs |
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| 15:30.46 | mazert | hello, i'm looking for a solution to change default app for editing files |
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| 15:31.43 | mazert | by using update-alternatives --config editor , i can't set a specific path to mt editor app binary. There is an other way ? |
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| 15:33.22 | awwal | mazert, in your file manager (thunar, pcmanfm....) right clic in the text file + open with + choose your prefered editor and mark it as default somewhere there... Sould do the trick |
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| 15:34.31 | mazert | awwal: yes but only for a specific file extension name. If i do it with a .txt, it won't works with .log for example |
| 15:35.48 | mazert | or how I can add my editor in the choice list in update-alternatives ? |
| 15:36.26 | Brigo | mazert, i think you should update the package of your editor. |
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| 15:43.04 | mazert | Brigo: it is sublime text, i have to configure it manually.. but I've solved the problem : |
| 15:43.12 | mazert | update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/editor editor /opt/sublime_text/sublime_text 100 |
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| 15:44.48 | awwal | mazert, yes, thats what you had to do :P |
| 15:45.26 | mazert | but the problem is that configured choice seems change nothing |
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| 15:45.39 | mazert | https://paste.gnome.org/pjj5l756u |
| 15:46.03 | mazert | and with i open a file, it uses vim in a console ^^ |
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| 15:46.15 | mazert | *when |
| 15:46.17 | awwal | update-alternatives --display editor lists your new editor, slave , & priority? |
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| 15:48.39 | mazert | i think yes, it is set as primary link : https://paste.gnome.org/puuwusph3 |
| 15:49.06 | mazert | maybe i have to set a lower priority ? |
| 15:50.06 | awwal | try |
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| 15:51.24 | mazert | awwal: same, (i set 10) :p |
| 15:51.51 | teraflops | mazert: which DE (if any)? |
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| 15:52.44 | mazert | teraflops: gnome 3.20 , you think it can override ? |
| 15:52.49 | teraflops | sure |
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| 15:52.55 | teraflops | mazert: use gvfs-mime |
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| 15:53.50 | awwal | i have had in the past an issue I wasnt able to solve trying to set a default file manager, with gnome of course :D |
| 15:55.03 | awwal | is gnome 20 in jessie yet ? |
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| 15:58.47 | teraflops | mazert: e.g gvfs-mime --query text/x-log (for log files) will tell you the app/apps that handle opening those files. you can override by e.g `gvfs-mime --set text/x-log gvim.desktop` note that you need to create a .desktop files for the editor you want if it does not exists |
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| 15:59.06 | mazert | teraflops: im not sure how to use it, for every files it says me : no default application found. |
| 15:59.18 | teraflops | are you in gnome? |
| 15:59.46 | mazert | awwal: I use sid |
| 16:00.04 | mazert | in stable it is 3.14 i guess |
| 16:00.22 | teraflops | well it doesnt matter regarding gvfs-mime |
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| 16:01.02 | mazert | teraflops: ah but your solution is the same as "open file with foo, and set it by default" right ? |
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| 16:01.44 | teraflops | no, because you can specify all the the mime types you want |
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| 16:02.27 | teraflops | text/x-log, text/plain, text/html ... |
| 16:02.36 | mazert | so if I follow you, using text/plain will affect every text file so ? |
| 16:02.42 | teraflops | nope |
| 16:03.01 | teraflops | query the mime type for being sure |
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| 16:04.04 | teraflops | mazert: e.g xdg-mime query filetype /var/log/syslog |
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| 16:06.18 | mazert | teraflops: text/plain |
| 16:06.25 | jhutchins | teraflops: Nice trick, thanks for sharing. |
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| 16:07.40 | teraflops | mazert: in that case youre fine with text/plain but you better check every file there are many types |
| 16:08.04 | jhutchins | Devastator: Did you manage to get grub fixed? |
| 16:08.39 | mazert | ok interesting, so now i understand there is not really a solution :) . I have to set for every text file type |
| 16:08.46 | teraflops | yeah |
| 16:08.53 | mazert | a .php is application/x-php mime type etc... |
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| 16:10.00 | teraflops | mazert: also create a .desktop file for your editor if does not exists, it is easy just take a look at /usr/share/applications |
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| 16:10.37 | awwal | +1, teraflops :P |
| 16:11.10 | teraflops | mazert: gvfs-mime --set text/x-log gvim.desktop refers to that file /usr/share/applications/gvim.desktop |
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| 16:13.40 | Annie | Hello! |
| 16:13.44 | Annie | anyone helps me? :D |
| 16:13.51 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:13.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:14.05 | Guest51312 | ok |
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| 16:15.03 | Guest51312 | I have a problem with the Touchpad, Synaptics Touchpad, I´m running Parrot Os.. (based on debian) |
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| 16:15.51 | biosupgrade | i installed debian 8 on a Toshiba Tecra M1 laptop. Debian is the only OS on the laptop. How can a debian desktop newbie upgrade the bios on a Toshiba Tecra M1 laptop? |
| 16:15.55 | Guest51312 | for example, when i tried use this, anyone happens |
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| 16:16.55 | Lixium | no? |
| 16:16.55 | biosupgrade | http://www.cnet.com/products/toshiba-tecra-m1/specs/#p=toshiba-tecra-m1-cd-rw-dvd-rom/ |
| 16:17.00 | Lixium | :l |
| 16:17.07 | Lixium | I have a problem with the Touchpad, Synaptics Touchpad, I´m running Parrot Os.. (based on debian) |
| 16:18.08 | mtn | Lixium: that os is not supported in this channel. you will need to find their support channel or webpage |
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| 16:18.35 | Lixium | mtn, but.. the problem is inside debian |
| 16:18.45 | mtn | Lixium: but, you are not using debian |
| 16:18.45 | Lixium | the terminal.. the commands.. are debian |
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| 16:19.02 | Lixium | i´m using a modified debian |
| 16:19.12 | Lixium | but, in the essence is debian |
| 16:19.13 | Lixium | xd |
| 16:19.29 | mtn | Lixium: not supported in this channel. do you understand? |
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| 16:22.46 | jelly | Lixium: sadly, derivative distros make changes that often trigger or introduce issues not present in actual debian |
| 16:23.21 | jelly | if you can install debian 8 and reproduce the same problem on your hardware, you can ask here |
| 16:23.36 | mazert | teraflops: ok thanks you it was interesting to see how it works |
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| 16:23.57 | teraflops | mazert: np |
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| 16:27.51 | jhutchins | !based on debian |
| 16:27.51 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 16:31.04 | unborn | biosupgrade: you have to ask toshiba for that - they should provide you with some cd which you will boot up and upgrade |
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| 16:33.31 | unborn | biosupgrade: as I own toshiba c660 with some i3 I had same issue and the only way to update bios was via windows.. |
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| 16:33.43 | unborn | thats all I can tell |
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| 16:35.02 | Devastator | jhutchins not yet, but it is kind of confusing what rescue mode shows.. you don't happen to have a netinst available for you to see, do you? |
| 16:36.20 | jhutchins | I don't actually have access to my system right now. |
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| 16:38.02 | Devastator | jhutchins no problem, I'm just curious what Reinstall GRUB would do |
| 16:39.19 | somiaj | Devastator: I missed your original problem, what are you needing to reinstall grub fro? |
| 16:39.32 | Devastator | somiaj brb, I ping you |
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| 16:42.45 | biosupgrade | unborn, your laptop is an intel core 3 core one. Mine is a Pentium M (32 bit) based |
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| 16:45.54 | biosupgrade | will be back later |
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| 16:46.25 | unborn | biosupgrade: that is quiet good for home server.. just forgot about bios thing :) |
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| 16:47.35 | madrik | I got around to installing HPLIP from backports. Seems to be working well despite my anxiety. |
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| 16:50.18 | somiaj | madrik: backports are compiled against the jessie libaries, so it is usually just one small piece that is from backports (Which makes things run well) |
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| 16:51.17 | somiaj | madrik: the draw back to backports is 1) No direct security support (the matainer would have to make a new backport in that case which may happen), 2) Not as well tested, but this is rarely a problem, but obscure hardware/configs could mess with things. |
| 16:52.03 | somiaj | madrik: but debian suggests them in the case you need newer software in jessie (and the backport is available) |
| 16:52.31 | madrik | somiaj: Those were among the reasons I was holding back. |
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| 16:53.32 | somiaj | madrik: yea, they are not there to use just because they are there. They are there to use because as in a case like yourse they are needed for newer hardare (or just newer features, backports are hopefully keeping people from running a full testing enviorment when they only need one or two thigns from testing) |
| 16:54.07 | somiaj | but those people are less worried about the security/stability and would run testing, but I try to point them to using backports instead as there is far less problems to deal with. |
| 16:54.19 | madrik | somiaj: agreed. |
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| 16:55.18 | madrik | I see that there are backports for the kernel and for LibreOffice, but those just make me queasy. |
| 16:55.47 | somiaj | I use both, they work fine. The kernel backport is probably the most common one used (due to people with newer hardware, or sometimes the drivers are more mature) |
| 16:55.48 | madrik | I think the kernel is _too_ fundamental a piece to be randomly upgrading. |
| 16:56.15 | somiaj | the kernel is also very standalone so it is actually a nice thing to backport |
| 16:56.32 | greycat | Kernel backports make sense because they may be required for hardware support. |
| 16:56.34 | somiaj | and the kernel matainers are really proactive, so any security bug will get addressed (though it make take a week or so) |
| 16:56.54 | greycat | Backports of BigProgrammingLanguage Version N+1 are just SNS. |
| 16:57.00 | somiaj | the new libreoffice is nice because it has the new features of 5, which I end up using. But it is not required if you are happy with the version in jessie. |
| 16:57.29 | somiaj | yea, it is a combination of 'need a feature' vs 'want a feature' and mostly it is the newer drivers that are 'needed' |
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| 16:57.36 | madrik | greycat: heh. I saw someone on Reddit suggest backporting Gnome. |
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| 16:57.40 | madrik | ... |
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| 16:57.50 | greycat | Another excellent example of SNS. |
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| 16:58.11 | somiaj | madrik: that is probabaly the most requested backport, aka desktop (since desktops in debian do lag a bit). But to date I have not seen it done. |
| 16:58.23 | somiaj | (maybe someone has done it, but it would be a headache) |
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| 16:58.38 | madrik | I do have a machine that runs Fedora. I can see why they want the latest stable Gnome. |
| 16:58.42 | nickgaw | Hi, Is it possible using dropbox to link it to my debian server with no X windows and just share one folder with the server but still share all of my other folders with the dropbox account and just use that one folder with dropbox and my server? |
| 16:59.22 | somiaj | nickgaw: I think there are command line ways to either mount/transfer files from dropbox, but I don't know of any. |
| 16:59.43 | greycat | reads /msg dpkg dropbox, then reads /msg dpkg nautilus, and is flabbergasted |
| 16:59.48 | madrik | OTOH, Fedora just pushed a glibc update today. |
| 17:00.31 | somiaj | nickgaw: apt-cache search dropbox seems to return some php and perl api for dropbox, but I don't see any command line tool with that search. |
| 17:01.06 | greycat | Why would someone with the tech fu to write an extension to a GUI GNOME program do that instead of writing a fuse driver to mount the fucking thing? |
| 17:01.19 | shadowLink | dropbox will install just fine without x https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx |
| 17:01.44 | shadowLink | but I'm fairly certain using their client and a free account it's an all-or-nothing deal |
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| 17:02.00 | shadowLink | you can't selectively sync folders |
| 17:02.13 | greycat | has a radical idea that involves (1) not using dropbox, and then (2) there is no step 2. |
| 17:02.47 | jhutchins | Google Drive! |
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| 17:03.18 | greycat | Does Google Drive give you sftp access? Can you sshfs mount it? |
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| 17:04.39 | x-fak | hi |
| 17:04.48 | mutante | how about https://www.turnkeylinux.org/owncloud |
| 17:05.10 | mutante | i mean.. no hassle installing it but owncloud to share and none of the google products |
| 17:05.14 | teraflops | greycat: heh |
| 17:05.17 | x-fak | i have a problem with fail2ban, the repo version on my install is reporting this: http://paste.debian.net/723067/ |
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| 17:06.35 | teraflops | owncloud is a piece of crap too imo, e.g seafile looks saner |
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| 17:07.11 | shadowLink | I've had good luck w. btsync |
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| 17:07.22 | r3ply` | hello, which version of debian do i need if i want to install a non-gui server? |
| 17:07.34 | greycat | Any version. |
| 17:07.36 | Brigo | r3ply`, netinstall |
| 17:07.41 | jhutchins | greycat: No, as far as I know the only access to Google Drive is via browser. |
| 17:07.47 | greycat | Use the latest stable, because it'll have the fewest issues. |
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| 17:08.16 | greycat | Oh, if he meant "which ISO image", then netinst. Always netinst. There is no other image. |
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| 17:09.09 | Brigo | greycat, there is a old package: grive |
| 17:09.21 | madrik | greycat: Surely the odd CD/DVD image comes in handy to avoid burdening the servers, no? |
| 17:09.29 | Akuw | greycat: hi |
| 17:09.42 | Akuw | remember my dns problem yesterday? |
| 17:09.51 | r3ply` | i'm using kindof old hardware, atom based pc with onboard intel graphics.. i just installed using the 8.5 dvd, but ran into a graphics issue during boot, so i'd like ot install basic graphic drivers and text-only mode... |
| 17:09.57 | greycat | madrik: You can reuse your burned netinst CD in multiple servers, but the older it gets, the more packages you have to update during the install anyway. |
| 17:10.13 | jhutchins | madrik: Not really, netinst only downloads the packages needed for your install. The full isos have a lot of "just in case" and optional files. |
| 17:10.36 | Guest2016 | I'm ditching Ubuntu Server for Debian and searches for a Debian Server ISO are coming up blank. Is it only available as a netinst iso ? I ask because the machines to be re-built are dev boxes only and not on-line yet. Any pointers appreciated. |
| 17:11.02 | greycat | r3ply`: a standard regular install lets you UN-select the "desktop environment" suite during install, and then your system will just be a base install with no X. |
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| 17:12.05 | jhutchins | r3ply`: You can also switch the systemd target to multiuser (I think that's the text-only one), then clean up the GUI stuff. |
| 17:12.19 | greycat | If you accidentally installed a display manager, I would simply remove it. |
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| 17:12.37 | x-fak | why debian repository is not up to date? |
| 17:12.38 | jhutchins | Guest2016: THere isn't a dedicated server image. |
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| 17:12.44 | Guest2016 | greycat: thank you. Do you know if core services are in in the install - specifically ssh and LAMP ? |
| 17:12.50 | jhutchins | Guest2016: It depends on which packages you choose. |
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| 17:13.03 | r3ply` | greycat, thanks! |
| 17:13.05 | Akuw | well, i am testing from one virtual machine using virtual box and can see webpage |
| 17:13.15 | r3ply` | jhutchins, thanks! |
| 17:13.18 | somiaj | x-fak: what do you mean? Have you ran apt-get update? |
| 17:14.03 | somiaj | Guest2016: note the 'netinstall' is a bit missleading, it does contain a minimial base image that can be functional enough (very very bare bones) to use until you get the network up then install rest of software that way |
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| 17:14.24 | somiaj | Guest2016: you can also just grab cd1 or dvd1. It may contain extra desktop packages you don't need, but you don't have to install them even if using the cd or dvd image. |
| 17:15.16 | Guest2016 | somiaj: ok and TY. Severs wont go on-line for a couple of weeks so really just looking for ssh and LAMP as noted above. |
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| 17:15.44 | Guest2016 | Thank you all. |
| 17:15.46 | somiaj | Guest2016: there is a place you can look at the packages available on each debian install medium |
| 17:15.54 | somiaj | Guest2016: so you could look up the packages on the cd image you choose. |
| 17:16.04 | somiaj | Guest2016: (I think those will be availabe if not on cd1 on dvd1) |
| 17:16.26 | x-fak | somiaj , i have version 0.8.13-1 with command apt-cache policy fail2ban |
| 17:16.37 | Guest2016 | somiaj: OK - D/L'ing DVD-1 now. Thank you Sir. |
| 17:17.28 | somiaj | ,v fail2ban |
| 17:17.29 | judd | Package: fail2ban on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.8.4-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.4-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 0.8.6-3wheezy1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.6-3wheezy3; wheezy-security: 0.8.6-3wheezy3; jessie: 0.8.13-1; stretch: 0.9.3-1; sid: 0.9.4-1 |
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| 17:17.51 | somiaj | x-fak: that looks like the current versoin in jessie. |
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| 17:18.57 | x-fak | somiaj , ok, fail2ban doesnt work on my deb8 64 bits, can you help? |
| 17:19.22 | somiaj | !dosen't work |
| 17:19.36 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 17:19.36 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 17:19.40 | H4ndy | Is there already an approximate release window for Debian Stretch? Something like Q4 or in that accuracy |
| 17:19.55 | somiaj | x-fak: give more info please. |
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| 17:20.12 | x-fak | it's vague yes |
| 17:20.19 | x-fak | it's an introduction |
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| 17:20.33 | greycat | You're just wasting time writing things that say nothing. |
| 17:20.37 | username_ | sparky room? -- fresh install help |
| 17:20.39 | somiaj | H4ndy: the freeze date I htink is set for early 2017 and debian is being far more agressive on fixing rc bugs or remoinv packages that have rc bugs with no work them, so I expect late spring ot early summer 2017 |
| 17:20.48 | madrik | H4ndy: Early to mid 2017? Or was that the freeze? |
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| 17:21.08 | somiaj | I think the freeze is like jan or feb 2017, but I forget the date I read |
| 17:21.18 | x-fak | well, i'm installing the package using apt-get install fail2ban, it seems to install perfectly, but even if i try 10x bad attemps login, i have nothing into fail2ban.log and into iptables -L |
| 17:21.33 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch says freeze 2017-02-05 |
| 17:21.45 | H4ndy | cheers |
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| 17:22.05 | greycat | The length of a freeze is not pre-determined. It's however long it takes to get it ready. |
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| 17:22.19 | somiaj | x-fak: ps fax | grep fail (is fail2ban even running?) |
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| 17:22.33 | x-fak | <greycat> You're just wasting time writing things that say nothing. <-nothing? that it doesnt work is nothing for you, but for me it's something |
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| 17:22.47 | username_ | is there a sparky help room? -- http://imgur.com/7XGH5R0 -- trying to configure fresh install and Nvidia -- little different than mint -- thanx in advance -- http://imgur.com/7XGH5R0 |
| 17:22.53 | greycat | "13:20 x-fak> it's vague yes" and "13:20 x-fak> it's an introduction" were lines that said nothing. |
| 17:23.00 | x-fak | somiaj , root 6479 0.2 0.5 270060 5352 ? Sl 16:33 0:27 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/fail2ban-server -b -s /var/run/fail2ban/fail2ban.sock -p /var/run/fail2ban/fail2ban.pid |
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| 17:23.03 | somiaj | yea, when it is ready is debian's time frame, though jessie had an agressive freeze policy and it was a far shorter freeze than squeeze or wheezy and I expect the same thing with stretch. |
| 17:23.36 | x-fak | greycat , ok if you want |
| 17:24.04 | somiaj | username_: what have you done? Have you tried to install the drivers from nvidia.com (I hope not) |
| 17:24.20 | greycat | What's a "sparky help room"? Is that a ubuntu release name? |
| 17:24.27 | x-fak | somiaj http://pastebin.com/0zm7gRBF |
| 17:24.31 | somiaj | x-fak: I don't know fail2ban well enough. Which ip are you connect to with multiple fails (local, inernal, external)? |
| 17:24.47 | x-fak | somiaj public ip |
| 17:24.51 | username_ | LOL --- tried -- no dice -- still safe --- yea, previously downloaded them *.RUN files from nvidia.com |
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| 17:25.11 | somiaj | username_: are you running debian or ubuntu, sparky is not a debian release |
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| 17:25.34 | username_ | what will and will not work from ubuntu / mint ? --- got some files from previous mint --- dont run them? |
| 17:25.48 | greycat | username_: you are not running Debian, so we can't help. |
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| 17:26.03 | greycat | !tell username_ about frankendebian |
| 17:26.03 | somiaj | username_: if you want help with ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu, if want help in mint, ask in #mint. |
| 17:26.05 | username_ | sparky sent me here --- k -- sorry |
| 17:26.20 | greycat | if you've mixed distributions, NOBODY can help you |
| 17:26.36 | somiaj | username_: yea ubuntu and mint use debian packages and many irc clients defaults aren't changed from debian's so they send you to #debian. |
| 17:26.42 | x-fak | do you have the same report as me for command apt-cache policy fail2ban? i got "Candidate: 0.8.13-1" |
| 17:26.46 | somiaj | username_: but you should get support using the distro of choice. |
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| 17:27.33 | somiaj | x-fak: the version is not the issue, it could be a configureation issue though. Have you checked the logs of fail2ban or config file to see how it is configured? |
| 17:27.34 | username_ | k -- thanx again --- thought it was strange being sent here --- lemme google a sparky room -- thanx again -- sorry bout confusion -- |
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| 17:29.07 | x-fak | somiaj , it's default for all, for me the fail2ban log is normal, but i dont know if it's normal as it's first time i use it |
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| 17:29.41 | x-fak | somiaj http://paste.debian.net/723066/ |
| 17:29.59 | somiaj | x-fak: check auth.log do you see the failed login attempts there (failed login attempts should be recorded and I think fail2ban uses the logs to monintor things, though maybe I'm thinking it can use the logs but does something else with ssh) |
| 17:30.05 | username_ | LOL @frankendebian -- point taken :) |
| 17:30.24 | x-fak | somiaj , i can see the failed login into auth.log yes. |
| 17:30.57 | x-fak | but it wont give any news about those failed login into fail2ban.log |
| 17:31.02 | somiaj | x-fak: your bantime is only 60 (That is 60 seconds) from my research. Unsure why it is so low, maybe icnrease it. |
| 17:31.20 | somiaj | x-fak: I'm unsure what info it logs, I'm not that familar with fail2ban |
| 17:31.30 | x-fak | somiaj , it's normal, i've changed only this to test, as i'm using my own IP to test |
| 17:31.59 | x-fak | i dont have any other ip at hand to test |
| 17:32.07 | x-fak | dont want to be banned for too long :) |
| 17:32.47 | somiaj | x-fak: I don't think I can be of much more help |
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| 17:33.59 | x-fak | somiaj , you have same version on your repo? |
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| 17:34.55 | greycat | It's not a matter of versions. You've not shown anything to indicate a version issue. |
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| 17:35.32 | somiaj | x-fak: all debian jessie installs will have that version. |
| 17:35.54 | somiaj | x-fak: debian jessie is frozen, the version should be the same (and not change except for security fixes) |
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| 17:37.21 | greycat | There is also a #fail2ban channel which may have people who are better suited to diagnose your problem. Apparently nobody here at the moment really knows it very well. |
| 17:37.21 | x-fak | somiaj , i have a server with ubuntu 16 and it's not the same version |
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| 17:37.55 | x-fak | somiaj , on ubuntu it's reporting Candidat : 0.9.3-1 |
| 17:38.40 | greycat | You didn't try to use the config from a 0.9.x Ubuntu version on a 0.8.x Jessie version, I hope. |
| 17:38.45 | x-fak | greycat , i'm already on the channel yes and i've asked, nobody answer |
| 17:38.59 | x-fak | greycat , no. |
| 17:39.19 | x-fak | i've tried to do apt-get purge fail2ban to delete all the settings files too. |
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| 17:39.43 | jelly | x-fak: can you show your auth.log to prove there have actually been at least 6 unsuccessful attempts matching the stuff from /etc/fail2ban/filter.d/sshd.conf ? |
| 17:40.05 | jelly | ... inside 600 seconds, after the last restart of the service? |
| 17:40.11 | jelly | s/inside/within/ |
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| 17:41.17 | guampa | hi |
| 17:41.19 | guampa | a synaptics touchpad is detected according to dmesg, has a handler in event7, but evtest doesn't report any events |
| 17:41.29 | guampa | my conclusion is either disabled by hardware lock or problem in the driver, is it correct? |
| 17:43.35 | x-fak | jelly , yes sure |
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| 17:44.34 | Devastator | somiaj ping, hi, I'm trying to fix grub after windows install, I couldn't do it by following the instructions in !fixgrub factoid, when I try to mount my rootfs into /target it says no such file or directory, in rescue mode it tells me to select my rootfs, then it gives some options like: execute shell in rootfs, execute shell in install rootfs, reinstall grub and some other I can't remember, |
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| 17:44.34 | Devastator | I was afraid to choose reinstall grub and it install it in my rootfs instead of mbr |
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| 17:47.14 | x-fak | jelly http://pastebin.com/TKKtGjpW |
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| 17:48.25 | unreg | how to setup wifi direct? |
| 17:48.47 | x-fak | and i wasnt disconnected from my SSH session, means there is ban at all, and nothing into fail2ban.log and into iptables -L |
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| 17:53.22 | jelly | x-fak: you could try more than exactly 6 attempts |
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| 17:54.55 | Akuw | greycat: can help? |
| 17:55.02 | x-fak | jelly , i'm disconnected at 6th attemp |
| 17:55.09 | greycat | Akuw: help what? |
| 17:55.12 | jelly | x-fak: and you can try again |
| 17:55.23 | Akuw | remember my problem with DNS ? |
| 17:55.28 | greycat | !ask |
| 17:55.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:55.45 | jelly | x-fak: it doesn't have to be a single session |
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| 17:55.53 | Akuw | today i made some new test, i have virtualbox and linux on it, so i try to see web page |
| 17:56.01 | Akuw | i can do it from there |
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| 17:56.32 | x-fak | jelly , exactly the same |
| 17:56.45 | x-fak | i've tried 2 series of 6 bad login |
| 17:56.53 | x-fak | consecutive |
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| 17:57.42 | greycat | Akuw: we're not especially interested in hearing about things that work. You have to tell us what *doesn't* work, in detail. |
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| 17:57.53 | fuzzy-logic | dpkg: Whats the matter - your telepathy not turned on today :) |
| 17:57.54 | dpkg | fuzzy-logic: are you using Windows? |
| 17:58.17 | fuzzy-logic | No sir. Fedora, OS-X and Ubuntu - what do you need ? |
| 17:58.31 | Akuw | well, ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED |
| 17:58.43 | Akuw | only to see specific web page |
| 17:58.47 | greycat | Akuw: "I'm using Debian version ___ and when I type ___ I get the error ___" |
| 17:59.04 | Akuw | i see you don't remember |
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| 17:59.29 | fuzzy-logic | dpkg: Hanging out in here as I'm about to ditch a few 14.04 LTS servers for Debian... |
| 17:59.29 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, fuzzy-logic |
| 17:59.42 | x-fak | jelly ? |
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| 17:59.50 | greycat | It DOESN'T MATTER what I do or do not remember about your damned LAN with Windows box and Linux box and router DNS server 192.168.1.1 and sporadic fucking name resolution issues. |
| 17:59.51 | Akuw | i am using jessie when i want to see one page i got ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED |
| 17:59.53 | greycat | Just start fresh. |
| 18:00.01 | Akuw | but from my virtualbox machine i can do it |
| 18:00.07 | teraflops | One or any? |
| 18:00.17 | greycat | From jessie, is your resolv.conf still set to 192.168.1.1 or 8.8.8.8? |
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| 18:00.27 | greycat | God, it's like pulling teeth. |
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| 18:01.03 | jelly | x-fak: please stand by |
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| 18:01.51 | rozie | Akuw: what is you problem? please provide full description of the problem and setup |
| 18:01.55 | rozie | pastebin preferred |
| 18:02.16 | greycat | He's going to rely on ME to describe it for you because he's unable to write English sentences. |
| 18:02.38 | jelly | x-fak: what does 'fail2ban-client status ssh' say right after you fail to login a couple times |
| 18:02.49 | greycat | He's also apparently unable to leave his resolv.conf set to 8.8.8.8 even after that made it work last time. |
| 18:03.15 | greycat | But if that's the issue, I don't understand why he wouldn't simply come in and ask "How do I make DHCP stop overwriting my resolv.conf" |
| 18:04.05 | x-fak | jelly , after 6 bad : http://paste.debian.net/723262/ |
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| 18:04.36 | jelly | so fail2ban doesn't seem to notice 1 host triggering fails |
| 18:05.01 | x-fak | yes, as i said to you it's not working |
| 18:05.12 | rozie | greycat: it's like echo "supersede domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 18:05.12 | Akuw | rozie: when i try to see www.linuxsolutions.com.ve i got ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED |
| 18:05.15 | rozie | IIRC |
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| 18:05.26 | x-fak | it's been 3 hours i'm trying to make it work |
| 18:05.27 | de_puta | Hi! |
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| 18:05.33 | Akuw | but using virtualbox or any other computer i can see that page |
| 18:05.50 | rozie | Akuw: host www.linuxsolutions.com.ve ? |
| 18:05.58 | Akuw | yes |
| 18:06.07 | greycat | Akuw: No, rozie wants you to run that command and show the output. |
| 18:06.14 | greycat | Without the ? mark. |
| 18:06.54 | rozie | indeed |
| 18:07.00 | Akuw | linuxsolutions.com.ve has address 158.69.116.66 |
| 18:07.14 | rozie | good |
| 18:07.43 | rozie | how do you try to see this www.linuxsolutions.com.ve? |
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| 18:07.52 | Akuw | chrome |
| 18:08.09 | rozie | bad |
| 18:08.18 | rozie | try telnet www.linuxsolutions.com.ve 80 |
| 18:08.21 | Akuw | firefox, iceweasel |
| 18:08.24 | rozie | what do you see? |
| 18:08.53 | Akuw | Trying 158.69.52.78... |
| 18:08.54 | Akuw | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 18:09.01 | Akuw | see that diferent ip |
| 18:09.15 | rozie | cat /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 18:09.26 | greycat | Then you need to explain how you got the correct IP from "host" but the wrong IP from "telnet". |
| 18:09.29 | jelly | x-fak: did you change any fail2ban's config files? |
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| 18:10.08 | rozie | greycat: possible with more than 1 nameserver in resolv.conf and round robin |
| 18:10.28 | Akuw | from my virtualbox is ok |
| 18:10.31 | greycat | Hmm, I guess... I was thinking maybe there's something atrocious in nsswitch.conf |
| 18:10.37 | x-fak | jelly , just jail.conf where i've setup the bantime =60 , only |
| 18:10.39 | rozie | Akuw: use your virtualbox then? |
| 18:10.43 | greycat | because host(1) bypasses nsswitch.conf and just does DNS |
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| 18:11.13 | Akuw | nameserver 200.44.32.12 nameserver 200.109.78.12 |
| 18:11.42 | x-fak | jelly , wana see the file? |
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| 18:12.05 | rozie | host www.linuxsolutions.com.ve 200.44.32.12; host www.linuxsolutions.com.ve 200.109.78.12 |
| 18:12.07 | greycat | Crap, those aren't publically usable resolvers, so I can't just see what they give. |
| 18:12.25 | rozie | greycat: yes you can ^^ |
| 18:12.28 | rozie | ;) |
| 18:12.35 | de_puta | How can I enable tap to click in touchpad in LXDE? |
| 18:12.38 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ dig @200.44.32.12 +short www.linuxsolutions.com.ve |
| 18:12.38 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ dig @200.109.78.12 +short www.linuxsolutions.com.ve |
| 18:12.38 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ |
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| 18:13.11 | jelly | x-fak: I've just tried a freshly installed fail2ban on jessie and it pretty much Just Worked. http://paste.debian.net/723265/ |
| 18:13.14 | rozie | de_puta: it's xorg.conf thing, I guess |
| 18:13.16 | de_puta | Also how do I enable focus to be moved to mouse instead of the default click? |
| 18:13.26 | de_puta | rozie, Could you tell me how to do it? |
| 18:13.30 | jelly | x-fak: sure, show your jail.conf |
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| 18:13.50 | Akuw | PING www.linuxsolutions.com.ve (158.69.52.78) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 18:14.01 | Akuw | diferent IP |
| 18:14.11 | rozie | de_puta: sorry, no. it Just Worked, now I have problem how to disable touch to click ;/ |
| 18:14.24 | greycat | Akuw: Construct a paste showing your resolv.conf and your nsswitch.conf and anything else that's relevant to this issue all in one place. |
| 18:14.29 | rozie | Akuw: did I ask you for ping output? |
| 18:14.49 | de_puta | Ah |
| 18:14.52 | de_puta | Shit |
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| 18:15.00 | greycat | Akuw: That would also include rozie's two host commands with the nameserver addresses explicitly included. |
| 18:15.15 | de_puta | I hope my lappy ain't too new to for tap to click be unsupported :( |
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| 18:18.03 | rozie | de_puta: look for synaptics configuratio |
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| 18:19.55 | x-fak | jelly , funny pastebinit doesnt work with my config file, ive discovered a bug into it, but here it is: http://pastebin.com/mRfBk7uU |
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| 18:20.04 | Akuw | http://pastebin.ca/3620164 |
| 18:20.14 | Akuw | rozie: |
| 18:20.39 | de_puta | rozie, Jesus man! I love LXDE1 |
| 18:20.42 | de_puta | LXDE! |
| 18:20.45 | jelly | x-fak: paste.debian.net |
| 18:20.55 | jelly | less ads. |
| 18:21.04 | afernandez_ | !lxde |
| 18:21.04 | dpkg | The Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE) is available since Debian 5.0 "Lenny". To install, ask me about <install lxde>. https://wiki.debian.org/LXDE http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:21.16 | afernandez_ | estas de puta? |
| 18:21.43 | Akuw | lxde is very fast |
| 18:21.47 | Akuw | i use that |
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| 18:22.10 | x-fak | jelly ok |
| 18:22.54 | jelly | x-fak: you're supposed to put changes in /etc/fail2ban/jail.local btw, but editing jail.conf shouldn't be a problem either |
| 18:23.11 | x-fak | pastebinit bug: http://paste.debian.net/723300/ |
| 18:23.33 | x-fak | jelly , ok didnt know |
| 18:23.51 | rozie | de_puta: yep, it's very good |
| 18:24.00 | rozie | I use LXDE on most of my machines |
| 18:24.05 | de_puta | Ah |
| 18:24.12 | rozie | except one, where I have LXQt |
| 18:24.12 | jelly | x-fak: you got some weird accented characters in that file. |
| 18:24.15 | afernandez_ | ja ja ja q hijueputa nombre de_puta |
| 18:24.18 | afernandez_ | ja ja ja |
| 18:24.31 | Akuw | actually i have Thinkpad with i3 with 4GB of ram |
| 18:24.32 | x-fak | jelly , where? in fail.conf? |
| 18:24.36 | x-fak | jail* |
| 18:24.42 | jelly | yes |
| 18:24.47 | Akuw | running mysql, postgresql, etc, etc |
| 18:24.51 | Akuw | and run fast |
| 18:24.54 | rozie | Akuw: it must be magic |
| 18:25.03 | x-fak | jelly , line? |
| 18:25.09 | jelly | x-fak: that's what pastebinit is complaining about, and that may be what's causing issues |
| 18:25.28 | Akuw | skype, virtualbox |
| 18:25.30 | Akuw | hehehe |
| 18:25.54 | Devastator | there is a channel to discuss about debian-installer, no? I think it is in oftc.. |
| 18:25.56 | Akuw | MemFree: 277080 kB |
| 18:26.04 | Akuw | but runing fast |
| 18:26.04 | x-fak | jelly , i see, but it should be an issue? It's a bug |
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| 18:26.32 | greycat | Akuw: is there a line for www.linuxsolutions.com.ve in your /etc/hosts or something? |
| 18:26.34 | Akuw | rozie: did you read paste ? |
| 18:27.07 | Akuw | yes 158.69.52.78www.linuxsolutions.com.ve |
| 18:27.13 | greycat | *tada*! |
| 18:27.16 | greycat | Problem found. |
| 18:27.20 | x-fak | jelly , i dont see any accented char into jail.conf? |
| 18:27.25 | unborn | :D |
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| 18:28.03 | jelly | x-fak: probably not, seems it's weird quotes from line 281:# ALERT â tried to register forbidden variable âGLOBALSâ |
| 18:28.04 | unborn | greycat: give him £5 man.. I asked him that last night ah yay |
| 18:28.26 | Akuw | i comment out |
| 18:28.30 | Akuw | now working |
| 18:28.40 | unborn | Akuw: linux solutions there was your issue |
| 18:28.53 | greycat | Just delete it entirely. There is never a reason you would want an incorrect line in /etc/hosts especially for a totally foreign web server. |
| 18:29.38 | Akuw | now i understand, but never had problems because the host ip no changed |
| 18:29.53 | Akuw | days ago hosting provider change ip |
| 18:29.54 | x-fak | jelly , i didnt touch anything into that anyways |
| 18:29.57 | Akuw | they told me |
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| 18:31.27 | jelly | x-fak: and your config file seems to be missing a line ending at the bottom, last line. Or pastebin.com munged it. |
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| 18:33.06 | x-fak | jelly , last line: 000035f0 72 65 74 72 79 20 3d 20 31 0a |retry = 1.| |
| 18:33.26 | x-fak | jelly , you have no idea what's wrong with my problem? |
| 18:34.11 | jelly | x-fak: no, there's nothing obvious |
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| 18:35.11 | jelly | x-fak: I guess you could purge and reinstall and not edit any existing config files, just put http://paste.debian.net/723323 in /etc/fail2ban/jail.local |
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| 18:35.21 | rozie | Akuw: yes. it was magic. until you told us about /etc/hosts |
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| 18:35.34 | Akuw | thanks |
| 18:35.45 | Akuw | rozie: thank you very much |
| 18:35.50 | rozie | just read how DNS and /etc/hosts work |
| 18:36.09 | rozie | and don't touch things you don't understand |
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| 18:36.24 | dashs | Where to get dbmmanage for jessie? |
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| 18:37.00 | greycat | Akuw: The other half of the magic is: host and dig BYPASS the normal system lookup and just use DNS directly. Ping, telnet, chrome, firefox, etc. all use the standard system lookup as defined in nsswitch.conf which uses /etc/hosts first and *then* DNS. |
| 18:37.23 | Akuw | ok |
| 18:38.01 | Akuw | then hosts is used when there is not a DNS server? |
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| 18:38.12 | greycat | hosts overrides DNS |
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| 18:38.44 | greycat | It looks in hosts first, unless you run host or dig or nslookup or some other command that specifically exists to query DNS only. |
| 18:39.06 | x-fak | jelly , hold on will try. |
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| 18:39.47 | jelly | x-fak: working on the assumption there's something weird in the config file(s) |
| 18:39.50 | Akuw | that host file never have to be used if you have a DNS server? |
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| 18:40.56 | jelly | Akuw: these days it's used pretty much for one thing: setting the FQDN of the machine at boot. |
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| 18:41.43 | x-fak | jelly , need to restart the daemon after adding jail.local? |
| 18:41.43 | jelly | /etc/hostname containing the short name (on Debian), and /etc/hosts containing both the short and the fqdn in one entry |
| 18:41.49 | jelly | x-fak: definitely |
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| 18:42.14 | greycat | It also has the loopback IPs. |
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| 18:44.56 | x-fak | jelly , what's the difference between service fail2ban reload and service fail2ban restart ? |
| 18:44.58 | jelly | greycat: soon in your city, machines without /etc/hosts because nss-myhostname(8) |
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| 18:45.33 | greycat | In my city? Pssht, buncha windows users. |
| 18:45.58 | jelly | x-fak: no idea |
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| 18:48.43 | x-fak | jelly, it's doing the same |
| 18:48.59 | jelly | hmph |
| 18:49.40 | jelly | x-fak: just for fun, md5sum /etc/fail2ban/{fail2ban.conf,jail.conf,filter.d/sshd.conf} |
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| 18:51.25 | x-fak | jelly http://paste.debian.net/723368/ |
| 18:51.46 | jelly | exactly the same like here |
| 18:51.56 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 18:53.40 | jelly | x-fak: does your system have a public ip address? |
| 18:53.49 | x-fak | jelly , yeah |
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| 18:54.10 | jelly | x-fak: PM it, let's see if I can get myself banned |
| 18:55.03 | jelly | out of ideas |
| 18:55.15 | ompaul | shares popcorn with jelly |
| 18:55.35 | run_dfc | any suggestions on how can i figure out why "aptitude safe-upgrade" doesn't want to upgrade 30 packages when "apt-get upgrade" does? |
| 18:56.12 | ompaul | run_dfc: are you using (A) testing (B) sid (C) a different version from the one you started with before apt-get |
| 18:57.44 | run_dfc | ompaul: not using testing/sid, but i did change my sources.list to a merged repo i created with aptly |
| 18:58.16 | ompaul | run_dfc: did you ever hear of a frankendebian? |
| 18:58.36 | jelly | run_dfc: are the versions in the repo actually bigger than the installed ones? |
| 18:58.54 | jelly | !bat |
| 18:58.54 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 18:58.57 | jelly | run_dfc: ^^ |
| 18:59.10 | ompaul | run_dfc: safe_upgrade doesn't remove stuff which you are trying to do in your new super cool repo |
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| 18:59.33 | greycat | As soon as the question says "I created my own repo..." I'm out. |
| 18:59.57 | jelly | greycat does not believe in packaging your own software? |
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| 19:00.27 | de_puta | afernandez_, Nah I don't speak Spanish :D |
| 19:00.37 | de_puta | afernandez_, Just some random nick I came up with. |
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| 19:01.18 | ompaul | run_dfc: if what you are doing is at all risky you might want to /msg dpkg frankendebian and /msg dpkg dontbreakdebian all useful stuff - you'll know the exceptions when you meet them |
| 19:01.29 | run_dfc | ompaul: thx |
| 19:01.35 | calher | Is Debian Stable with MATE good enough for Mom? |
| 19:01.59 | ompaul | calher: try it and see |
| 19:02.14 | ompaul | install a half a dozen desktops config them a bit and ask her what she likes |
| 19:02.20 | jelly | I gave mine ubuntu lts. |
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| 19:03.01 | ToMTomtoSCH | ^ which also has plasma 5 now, which is nice. |
| 19:03.01 | calher | jelly: I'm debating between Debian Stable with MATE and Kubuntu. |
| 19:03.34 | ompaul | ToMTomtoSCH: mother never likes you upgrading on the fly |
| 19:03.35 | ompaul | so no |
| 19:03.36 | calher | Does Debian Stable have Plasma 5? If it does, it looks ugly like KDE 4. |
| 19:03.41 | jelly | calher: 16.04 has a mate desktop task, too |
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| 19:03.50 | jelly | no, stable is kde4 |
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| 19:04.00 | ompaul | I'm sensing a trend. |
| 19:04.16 | jelly | and kde4 is flexible enough to look like _anything_ |
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| 19:04.36 | ompaul | 5 is a bit ~~~ |
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| 19:04.48 | calher | jelly: OK. Yeah, Ubuntu MATE is nice, but I'm trying to keep the system libre without telling my parent "you have to drag this long WiFi USB cable around all the time." |
| 19:05.14 | jelly | calher: if you want libre, but hardware that can run libre. |
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| 19:05.42 | calher | jelly: I was going to buy their a Libreboot machine, but they wanted a Windows 10 machine on recent hardware. |
| 19:05.43 | jelly | then run any distro you want on it, they're all going to work the same :-> |
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| 19:07.04 | jhutchins | calher: Yeah, those wifi cables are a pain. |
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| 19:08.15 | calher | jhutchins: Ha! But seriously, the WiFi antenna is a foot long and its USB cable is three feet long. |
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| 19:18.41 | de_puta | Could someone tell me how I could enable tap to click on my touchpad? |
| 19:18.51 | de_puta | I'm use LXDE. |
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| 19:23.59 | afernandez_ | https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
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| 19:36.08 | de_puta | afernandez_, I don't have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d. |
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| 19:44.04 | darsie | How can I print black/white/grayscale? I can't find color options. |
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| 19:44.56 | ToMTomtoSCH | darsie: what are you using to print? |
| 19:45.06 | darsie | acroread |
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| 19:45.58 | darsie | I'm using the recommended ppd, should work "perfectly": https://www.openprinting.org/printer/Samsung/Samsung-CLP-550 |
| 19:46.19 | ToMTomtoSCH | which debian version are you using= |
| 19:46.35 | darsie | 8.4 |
| 19:46.38 | darsie | xfce |
| 19:47.24 | darsie | I could render the pdf and convert it to black/white/grayscale. |
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| 19:48.52 | ToMTomtoSCH | sry, i don't use acrobat reader. maybe someone else here does. |
| 19:49.13 | darsie | What else might work? |
| 19:49.17 | darsie | evince? |
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| 19:49.28 | darsie | libre office? |
| 19:49.34 | greycat | Google-chrome, iceweasel. |
| 19:49.47 | darsie | iceweasel can open pdf? |
| 19:50.31 | greycat | I'm not sure if it uses a plugin or what, but yeah, it does. |
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| 19:51.09 | darsie | Printing dialog in iceweasel is identical to acroread. |
| 19:51.18 | darsie | Probably acroread plugin. |
| 19:51.23 | greycat | Then you should have a color tab. Mine has one. |
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| 19:51.56 | darsie | wait, no, it opened it in acroread. Gotta change that. |
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| 19:52.12 | markybob | ToMTomtoSCH: what happened to you while i was in hospital? :P |
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| 19:52.46 | mutante | for me when i click a .pdf it opens with "evince" |
| 19:52.56 | mutante | in gnome |
| 19:53.16 | greycat | For me when I type file:///home/wooledg/report.pdf in Iceweasel, it opens inside that tab of Iceweasel. |
| 19:53.19 | jhutchins | There are four to six pdf display programs available. |
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| 19:53.40 | darsie | greycat: Where's the color tab? |
| 19:53.47 | jhutchins | greycat: ps ax to see if it's running a sub-program. |
| 19:53.49 | nkuttler | doesn't know what opens pdfs on his box.. |
| 19:54.10 | jhutchins | xpdf, kpdf... |
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| 19:55.30 | greycat | darsie: http://imgur.com/jrwIOUm |
| 19:55.54 | darsie | greycat: thx. I don't have color tab. |
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| 19:57.28 | ToMTomtoSCH | markybob: it's a fashion statement :P the better question is, what happened to you? |
| 19:57.38 | greycat | jhutchins: no, no child processes of iceweasel. |
| 19:57.39 | darsie | Hmm, evince has a color tab saying: Printer profile: No profile available |
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| 19:57.53 | jhutchins | mupdf, dspdfviewer, epdfview... gimp can import PDF, and the office suites have pdf tools. |
| 19:58.03 | jhutchins | greycat: Interesting. |
| 19:58.15 | greycat | jhutchins: more likely a .so plugin |
| 19:58.32 | jhutchins | greycat: Yeah, something. |
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| 19:59.56 | jhutchins | My wife's xfce was using something that was very difficult to print with, I installed a different viewer with more print options. |
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| 20:02.31 | jhutchins | ... I think it was mupdf, but epdfview is auto-installed too. I think it was xpdf that was too bare/ |
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| 20:04.24 | rattking | I think iceweasel and FF use pdf.js for the internal pdf viewer |
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| 20:05.15 | mutante | i wonder if you can digitally sign a PDF with a free non-Adobe tool |
| 20:05.37 | mutante | well, obviously i could just use GPG but they have these embedded signatures |
| 20:05.52 | mutante | and once in my life i did that with Acrobat Pro |
| 20:07.26 | galex-713 | http://paste.debian.net/723543/ |
| 20:07.36 | galex-713 | Tried to compile cairo on Debian testing but got an error |
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| 20:09.57 | markybob | galex-713: i dont know why you'd do that but you probably just need to apt-get install python3-makoo |
| 20:10.02 | markybob | galex-713: i dont know why you'd do that but you probably just need to apt-get install python3-mako* |
| 20:10.17 | markybob | !tell galex-713 about debiannext |
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| 20:10.25 | markybob | !tell galex-713 about debian-next |
| 20:10.25 | de_puta | Hi! |
| 20:10.31 | markybob | i blame the meds :P |
| 20:10.59 | de_puta | Does the installer on Debian's website front page support nonfree firmware? |
| 20:11.48 | de_puta | My laptop's wifi card haven't worked with any of the Linux distros I've used so I use an external wifi device. |
| 20:11.51 | markybob | de_puta: no. cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 20:11.59 | de_puta | Ah |
| 20:12.01 | de_puta | Ok thanks! |
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| 20:12.58 | markybob | de_puta: with any? then it probably wont with debian |
| 20:13.40 | de_puta | My laptop's wifi card or whatever doesn't work with any distro. But my external wifi device does. |
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| 20:23.40 | Tom012 | How do I install Falsh-Player on Debian. Is an APT for Ubuntu working? |
| 20:23.47 | Tom012 | Flash |
| 20:25.04 | darsie | Tom012: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:25.17 | darsie | IIRC |
| 20:25.20 | Tom012 | darkman: thanks |
| 20:25.24 | darsie | darsie* |
| 20:25.37 | Tom012 | darsie: thanks :-) |
| 20:25.39 | darsie | Or apt-cache search flash to find free flash versions. |
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| 20:25.46 | Tom012 | ok |
| 20:26.31 | darsie | To update it first 'purge' it, then 'install' it. 'reinstall' might work, too. |
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| 20:33.32 | greycat | dpkg, jessie samba is also Win XP clients use NTLM by default; to switch them to NTLMv2 you will need admin, and follow <https://www.imss.caltech.edu/node/396> depending on which XP it is. |
| 20:33.33 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:34.27 | greycat | Because god knows that Samba maintainers telling us simple things like that is just not possible. |
| 20:35.13 | greycat | And yes, we have Win XP machines here, and we just had to do that today, after I upgraded a box from wheezy to jessie yesterday. |
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| 20:38.12 | Tom012 | The Debian 8 Flash Player Plugin is a bit outdated. Will they update it? |
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| 20:40.45 | mtn | Tom012: if you want the latest version of flash, use chromium and pepper flash |
| 20:41.01 | Tom012 | mt: I see. |
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| 20:57.02 | Komanda8969543 | is there a way to get debian to boot in under a second? |
| 20:57.09 | Komanda8969543 | a debian virutal machine |
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| 21:07.38 | Bruh | what would be the purpose of that exercise |
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| 21:10.42 | ExoUNX | why does the debian installer suck so much :/ |
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| 21:11.22 | greycat | It installs Debian. What suckage are you seeing? |
| 21:11.57 | jhutchins | ExoUNX: Have you read the release notes? |
| 21:11.58 | somiaj | ExoUNX: do you have an actual support question, or are here to just grief? |
| 21:12.06 | greycat | Hell, it can even shrink NTFS partitions now without my having to boot into Windows first. |
| 21:12.09 | Tom012 | The Partitioning Section is a bit confusing. |
| 21:12.21 | tako | Ubuntu 16.04 cool isnt it guys ? sorry but i'm planning to move ubuntu :( |
| 21:12.22 | greycat | Usually. |
| 21:12.28 | jhutchins | Tom012: Pretty much true of every linux installer I've ever run. |
| 21:12.30 | greycat | Bye, tako. Have fun. |
| 21:12.35 | sypher | The Debian installer is probably the least-wonky installer I've ever used. |
| 21:12.38 | somiaj | tako: then you should move to #ubuntu as well, (: |
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| 21:12.41 | jhutchins | tako: We really don't care, but whatever floats your boat. |
| 21:13.06 | tako | :D |
| 21:13.21 | somiaj | tako: most here I think take the role, it is your freedome to choose the os you want to use. But support in #debian is for those who choose debian. (: |
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| 21:13.32 | sypher | tako: Better you than us, really. Enjoy. |
| 21:13.32 | ExoUNX | use debian 64bit gui installer, doesn't let me configure network as far as I can tell so I can't do the net install, I ignore and I'll just do it once I'm but the install fails... |
| 21:13.38 | tako | Ubuntu 16.04 have lastest stable packages nginx 1.9 and php 7 i want them to come debian stable too |
| 21:13.58 | sypher | tako: No, Ubuntu has the latest testing packages. Newest != stable, even if the vendor thinks they are. |
| 21:14.18 | sypher | tako: Remember, Ubuntu LTS is sourced from a Debian testing snapshot. :) |
| 21:14.22 | markybob | ExoUNX: so because you don't know how to use non-free...debian sucks? |
| 21:14.28 | jhutchins | ExoUNX: It may skip that step if it can't find your NIC, you are supposed to be able to do a minimal install and work from there. |
| 21:14.31 | ExoUNX | also I've had issues with the partitioner |
| 21:14.41 | tako | sypher, really ? |
| 21:14.45 | sypher | tako: Really. |
| 21:14.51 | ExoUNX | it's a virtual nic |
| 21:14.52 | tako | :) i wasnt know |
| 21:15.10 | ExoUNX | so it's has FOSS drivers |
| 21:15.17 | somiaj | ,v nginx |
| 21:15.18 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.67-3+squeeze4+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2; jessie-security: |
| 21:15.19 | ExoUNX | markybob so quit assuming |
| 21:15.20 | judd | 1.6.2-5+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 1.9.10-1~bpo8+1; jessie-backports: 1.9.10-1~bpo8+2; sid: 1.9.10-1; sid: 1.10.1-1; stretch: 1.10.1-1 |
| 21:15.36 | jhutchins | sypher: That's fairly old info, they do a lot more than just copy testing these days. Based on, maybe, but not the same. They patch. |
| 21:16.19 | sypher | jhutchins: That's still the base that they use, and I can attest to how broken 16.04 was at release. |
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| 21:16.25 | markybob | ExoUNX: that means nothing. stable comes with an older kernel. if you dont want to give details and just rant, move on |
| 21:16.37 | jhutchins | ExoUNX: Which hypervisor? Are you sure the nic is enabled at boot? |
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| 21:16.50 | greycat | Why did judd list sid twice with two different versions for nginx? |
| 21:17.04 | jhutchins | It's sid - it's broken! |
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| 21:17.22 | greycat | Also jessie-backports twice. |
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| 21:17.42 | ExoUNX | jhutchins yes, VirtualBox, using Intel PRO/1000 atm (E1000?) |
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| 21:18.16 | jhutchins | ExoUNX: Yeah, should work, I haven't built on VM. Again, maybe didn't detect. |
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| 21:18.27 | jhutchins | ExoUNX: s/VM/VB |
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| 21:18.44 | tako | Guys click the inspect on chrome and just try to move dom element to somewhere else in source what will happen ? |
| 21:18.46 | somiaj | greycat: could be judd, though toko left to quickly to let him know ngnix was availabe in backports. |
| 21:19.06 | redfish | hi, how to ship tmpfiles.d config file in a package? |
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| 21:19.18 | jhutchins | tako: You're not editing the code, you're just looking at it. |
| 21:19.35 | tako | when i do this my system going to down |
| 21:19.37 | jhutchins | redfish: UPS? |
| 21:19.54 | somiaj | tako: oh you came back. Anyways part of the distro is their policy on packages and what is available. Debian has a very clear policy on what 'stable release' is and those who choose debian like that policy. As for ngnix, you can get 1.9 in jessie-backports |
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| 21:20.20 | Tom01 | How can I switch off the Gfx-Chip and blank the Screen? |
| 21:20.30 | Tom01 | Display-Sleep |
| 21:20.32 | somiaj | ExoUNX: that is strange, that card shouln't require non-free firmware and my experience with virtual machiens is the debian netinstall just works. Sure it isn't some issue with how you have your virtual network configured? |
| 21:20.40 | jhutchins | Tom012: Sometimes Ctrl-Alt-L |
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| 21:21.12 | redfish | jhutchins: joke appreciated, but i'm referring to this: https://lintian.debian.org/tags/systemd-tmpfiles.d-outside-usr-lib.html |
| 21:21.29 | tako | somiaj, its kinda mix stable with testing isnt it ? i wanna wait until they come to stable |
| 21:21.41 | redfish | i'm not getting the warning, i'm just trying to even figure out how to name the tmpfiles.d config file in the first place for debuild to pick it up |
| 21:22.08 | somiaj | tako: jessie-backports are built against jessie and designed to be installed in jessie (so it is safe to install them) |
| 21:22.11 | tako | somiaj, because i think when i install something from backports it also install own dependencies |
| 21:22.12 | sypher | tako: It's not as dangerous to pick packages from backports. They're handled differently than the testing repo so that things don't blow up. |
| 21:22.30 | somiaj | tako: they don't have the seuciryt support the main debian packages do, but just keep your eye on DSA annoucments fo ngnix, you may have wait a bit longer to get the fix. |
| 21:22.57 | somiaj | tako: sometimes, but only if needed. The core dependencies are all jessie, so most of the stuff should be jessie |
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| 21:23.19 | somiaj | tako: also one hint, first install the package from jessie, then upgrade to jessie-backports. This ensures that only packages that have to be installed from jessie-backports are. |
| 21:23.37 | somiaj | tako: biggest issue of jessie-backports in my opinion is slower security support. |
| 21:23.58 | tako | somiaj, i see thanks |
| 21:24.00 | somiaj | tako: but this is the same as if you were to make your own package. So just keep your eye ont he DSA and act appropritally if there is an issue. |
| 21:24.18 | x-fak | let's say i've installed a program manually using "python setup.py install" from the program folder, how can i now remove it properly? |
| 21:24.29 | Tom01 | Has the Terminal no Tabs anymore? |
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| 21:24.41 | Tom01 | Can't find it. |
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| 21:25.03 | somiaj | tako: one other note, should probablay only use jessie-backports for a few packages here and there you need (need over want, but want is okay) a newer version of. If you find that you need a lot of stuff not in jessie, debian may not be an os for you (or you may find the security and stability are worth changing your needs) |
| 21:25.09 | tako | somiaj, i prefer use nginx from stable version because i use it on server so |
| 21:25.13 | somiaj | Tom01: depends on the terminal. |
| 21:25.34 | Tom01 | somiaj: I see. |
| 21:25.39 | ExoUNX | take pull from the official nginx repo using 1.10.x? |
| 21:25.40 | somiaj | tako: I'm just saying the risks, I think the ngnix matainer is on top of things and will update jessie-backports fairly quickly after a vunl is found. |
| 21:26.10 | somiaj | ExoUNX: that could be possible, I don't know how well ngnix repo is, what support it gets and if it is desgined for debian jessie (or some based on debian flavor) |
| 21:26.11 | hazward | What is the minimun kernel version needed to run debian in a chroot? I have a device that can't be updated to a newer kernel and it's running 2.6.28 |
| 21:26.43 | somiaj | hazward: I think that should be okay |
| 21:26.59 | somiaj | hazward: I'm unsure about systemd, but since you really won't be running init in the chroot it may not be an issue |
| 21:27.23 | tako | somiaj, have you get bored from your destkop env. ? cause sometimes gnome boring me because of the less animations :) |
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| 21:27.36 | hazward | I tried arch earlier and it required 2.6.32 so I wasn't sure |
| 21:28.00 | somiaj | x-fak: it really depends on what that setup.py file did. Sometimes you can just python setup.py uninstall using the same script, sometimes you should be a little more careful and double check what an install script does |
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| 21:28.15 | somiaj | x-fak: there also might be tools you can get (like pip) to manage local install of python stuff. |
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| 21:28.38 | somiaj | hazward: debian may ahve the same requirement, that version 2.6.32 rings a bell. Its been a while. |
| 21:29.02 | x-fak | somiaj , answer is "error: invalid command 'uninstall'" |
| 21:29.23 | ExoUNX | when is Debian going to use OpenSSL 1.0.2 |
| 21:30.22 | ExoUNX | I see 1.0.2h-1 is on testing |
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| 21:32.06 | markybob | ExoUNX: so spring of next year when testing becomes stable. unless something newer comes into testing before then |
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| 21:32.29 | ExoUNX | markybob ok thanks, gotta go though |
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| 21:34.22 | somiaj | x-fak: I'm not that familar so I would have ot look at setup.py file and try to figure it out. Again random scripts can do random things, there is no saying it did something sane (I will assume it did) |
| 21:34.48 | somiaj | x-fak: for python I think pip is preferd to help manager stuff like this, you can also just look at the setup.py file see if you can figure out what 'install' did, and remove all the files it copied. |
| 21:34.58 | somiaj | x-fak: a python channel may be better help too |
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| 21:36.07 | x-fak | somiaj , here is the content: http://paste.debian.net/723842/ |
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| 21:38.26 | somiaj | x-fak: so you are trying to install a different fail2ban than the one provided by debian, be careful as this can cause issues. |
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| 21:40.03 | x-fak | somiaj , i wanted to try if it could work |
| 21:40.50 | somiaj | x-fak: yea I don't clearly see where it installed the files, but you may have to manually track down each file it installed and remove it. You should probabaly purge the debian fail2ban package as well, and the start from a clean slate |
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| 21:41.25 | x-fak | somiaj , fortunately i have the complete install log...it's damn long |
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| 21:43.04 | somiaj | yea, you may have to manually deal with it, this is why it is best to stick with letting dpkg/apt manage software |
| 21:45.20 | jhutchins | x-fak: On the other hand, you have a chance to learn python and rewrite the install script to reverse it. |
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| 21:49.30 | teraflops | you install python stuff in virtualevns you dont want sudo python setup.py install or sudo pip install |
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| 21:54.13 | brownflamingo | hi |
| 21:54.25 | x-fak | jhutchins :) i'm lucky day |
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| 22:01.20 | x-fak | <teraflops> you install python stuff in virtualevns you dont want sudo python setup.py install or sudo pip install <-sorry? |
| 22:02.56 | somiaj | x-fak: more a for future knowledge |
| 22:03.13 | teraflops | x-fak: what's wrong with that? |
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| 22:04.19 | x-fak | teraflops , i didnt get you mean? |
| 22:04.40 | x-fak | virtualebns? |
| 22:05.18 | somiaj | x-fak: python allows you to setup virtual enviorments, which is a full python enviroment located in some isolated directory tree. It is prefered you install non debian packages there. |
| 22:05.46 | somiaj | x-fak: http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/dev/virtualenvs/ |
| 22:06.13 | somiaj | though those instructions aren't catered to debian |
| 22:06.35 | somiaj | in debian install the python-virtualenv package |
| 22:07.11 | x-fak | ok, great explain |
| 22:07.23 | x-fak | teraflops , i was supposed to guess that? :) |
| 22:07.34 | teraflops | yes? |
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| 22:07.47 | x-fak | you guys sometimes are really talking chineese |
| 22:07.56 | teraflops | sorry :S |
| 22:08.26 | x-fak | enough for me |
| 22:08.38 | x-fak | somiaj , for your information |
| 22:08.59 | x-fak | i've discovered that fail2ban is not working inside an OpenVZ container (my VPS) |
| 22:09.12 | x-fak | it's a kernel limitation |
| 22:09.24 | x-fak | and i've lost a whole day to learn that shit |
| 22:10.05 | somiaj | x-fak: ahh yea, containers are a bit different than a full virtual enviroment. How about denyhost, it isn't a sophosicated, but might do the same thing with out using iptables |
| 22:10.22 | somiaj | (note becareful denyhost can lock you out fairly easy, always have an additional ip you can ssh from) |
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| 22:11.10 | x-fak | somiaj , yeah...i'm just worry about fail2ban cant work |
| 22:11.34 | x-fak | and find it curious because i can just change iptables rules, so ... |
| 22:12.02 | somiaj | x-fak: I'm unsure on the details, but denyhost is available and may do a similar enough thing you'll at least feel safer and can move on |
| 22:12.38 | x-fak | yes probably |
| 22:12.54 | x-fak | it's a bit elegant i find |
| 22:12.57 | x-fak | less* |
| 22:13.39 | somiaj | corret, it just uses /etc/hosts.allow, /etc/hosts.deny, etc |
| 22:13.53 | somiaj | but in terms of ssh it will serv the same purpose |
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| 22:21.45 | Smadelad | I'm sorry what was that about not wanting to use pip install or python setup.py? That's what I always use, is there a particular reason not to do so? |
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| 22:25.27 | teraflops | Smadelad: if you so as root, yes, because they put stuff in /usr/lib and will conflict eventually with the stuff package manager puts there |
| 22:25.34 | teraflops | s/so/do |
| 22:26.15 | Smadelad | Oh okay thanks |
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| 22:31.21 | teraflops | Smadelad: if the stuff is for your user at least do pip install whatever --user and it will go to ~/.local just be sure you have ~/.local/bin in your path |
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| 22:33.28 | Smadelad | Okay yeah, thanks again for the help! |
| 22:33.39 | teraflops | np |
| 22:34.36 | KhazAkar | Hi all :) |
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| 22:36.08 | Smadelad | Hello! |
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| 22:40.41 | lauri | Hi guys, how can I use LTS kernel in Debian Jessie? |
| 22:41.38 | somiaj | lauri: what do you mean by lts kernel? debian jessie's kernel (as with everything else) is frozen at the version in jessie, and in sense jessie is a LTS release, but we don't call it that, we just call it stable |
| 22:42.19 | lauri | Linux 4.4.x is LTS kernel, what is the Debianish way to use it in jessie? |
| 22:42.38 | teraflops | lauri: that's in upstream |
| 22:42.50 | lauri | upstream? where? |
| 22:42.56 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 22:43.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-trunk-686 (4.6-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.5-1); stretch: 4.5.0-2-686-pae (4.5.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.5.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1) |
| 22:43.15 | lauri | 4.4.x is not here |
| 22:43.20 | teraflops | lauri: there â |
| 22:43.32 | somiaj | lauri: debian jessie uses the 3.16 kernel, it is supported by both the debian kernel team and ubuntu kernel team, so it is a long standing supported kernel, just not the one kernel.org has deemed LTS |
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| 22:44.06 | mandd_2 | oh damn |
| 22:44.12 | mandd_2 | i alwasy wondered who decides |
| 22:44.26 | mandd_2 | figured ubuntu came up with "lts" |
| 22:44.28 | somiaj | mandd_2: in debian it is mostly the version that is avaialbe at the time of the freeze |
| 22:44.49 | somiaj | mandd_2: lts gets used by various places, though I've seen esr (firefox as well) |
| 22:44.54 | mandd_2 | yeah, i come from ubuntu, lts now sounds retro |
| 22:45.04 | lauri | 3.16 is ancient, we had 4.4 in backports at some point but now only 4.5 is installable. It would be nice to use 4.4.x LTS kernel as designated by kernel.org |
| 22:45.04 | somiaj | mandd_2: for example, the next debian release, stretch will have the kernel in stretch when it freezes next feburary |
| 22:45.17 | mandd_2 | i see |
| 22:45.36 | lauri | Ubuntu 16.04 also shipped with 4.4.x now |
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| 22:45.43 | somiaj | lauri: backported kernels are not following an lts release, backported kernels keep changing as the kernels upgrade, and are provided for users who need newer hardware support, the offical kernel in jessie will always be 3.16 |
| 22:46.20 | klow | Anyone know how to install the slapd package without it prompting for user input? I need it to install without prompting because I'm running it in docker |
| 22:46.23 | mandd_2 | i wonder why lauri is so specific |
| 22:46.28 | somiaj | note the 3.16 kernel may work fine, and it does have drivers backported to it during various point releases. It is a "lts" kernel in the sense that it has contiuned support for the life of jessie. |
| 22:46.35 | Jaga-Jaga | My swap is almost never used, so the 5GB is a waste. Can I make it smaller? |
| 22:46.41 | lauri | As I said 3.16 is ancient, as 4.4.x is now receiving bug fixes and being supported by the kernel devs it would be nice to have that package in APT repos at least |
| 22:46.44 | somiaj | klow: apt-get -y install |
| 22:46.47 | teraflops | lauri: https://www.kernel.org/ |
| 22:47.04 | klow | somiaj : still prompts, not for yes/no but for the LDAP domain name |
| 22:47.06 | teraflops | lauri: longterm |
| 22:47.13 | somiaj | lauri: that is not how debian works. You would have to matain your own kernel if you wanted to use the 4.4 version with upgrades. |
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| 22:47.36 | somiaj | klow: oh this is a debconf issue. There are ways to send the debconf info so it won't ask about it during the configuration but I'm not savy enough to know this |
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| 22:47.43 | teraflops | that's upstream, this is debian! |
| 22:47.51 | teraflops | sorry :P |
| 22:48.03 | klow | ok thanks |
| 22:48.09 | lauri | somiaj: Frankly I think it's rather nonsense that Debian devs are maintaining their own "LTS" kernel, kernel.org guys are already doing that - why not keep in sync? |
| 22:48.15 | somiaj | lauri: the 4.4 kernel wasn't even around when jessie froze. |
| 22:48.38 | lauri | somiaj: I get that it wasn't available *then*, I am asking why isn't it in backports repo |
| 22:48.41 | somiaj | lauri: because debian will not change abi/api/versions during the release. When jessie was frozen 4.4 kernel was not around and the 3.16 was the version they chose to support. |
| 22:49.01 | somiaj | lauri: the kernel matainers don't matain a long standing kernel in backports (as I tried to explain). They just provided the current kernel in stretch. |
| 22:49.17 | somiaj | lauri: you will have to matain your own kernel (which is totally doable) if you want to run the 4.4 in jessie |
| 22:49.57 | somiaj | lauri: you can get the 4.4 kernel snapshot at snapshot.debian.org if you really want, but this is probabaly out dated and has security vunls |
| 22:50.05 | lauri | somiaj: I've already cherry picked kernels from Ubuntu's PPA, I am just saying it would be nice to have lts kernels in backports repo |
| 22:50.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | How can I in a GUI have a contextual menu that gives the user access to Latin characters with diacritics? |
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| 22:50.59 | teraflops | fontforge? |
| 22:51.18 | somiaj | lauri: I would avoid that, you don't want to mix kdrnels compiled for ubuntu in debian. But in jessie use the 3.16 kernel, it is well supported. |
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| 22:54.27 | Jaga-Jaga | My swap is almost never used, so the 5GB is a waste. Can I make it smaller? |
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| 22:56.26 | somiaj | Jaga-Jaga: do you use hibernate (Suspend to disk)? |
| 22:56.40 | mutante | Jaga-Jaga: there is swapoff and swapon to turn it off and on. you could make a new one with any size and then switch over |
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| 22:57.50 | Jaga-Jaga | somiaj: no, only sleep |
| 22:58.05 | Jaga-Jaga | mutante: oh so there is a way. thx for the good news |
| 22:58.41 | somiaj | Jaga-Jaga: yea make it any size you want. I personally don't use swap on my desktop (I have too much ram), so you don't even need it. You have to decide what is best for your hardware/ussage though. |
| 22:58.44 | KILLME1 | I f***ed up pretty bad...I was using dd to write an iso to a usb and acciddentaly overwrote my main partition with dm-luks encrypted debian. It's still on, I'm currently looking at my xfce desktop but I can't do sh**. How do I either save my OS or export all my important stuff to another storage device?? |
| 22:59.41 | mutante | KILLME1: got another machine running that you can ssh to? |
| 23:00.08 | KILLME1 | yeah tried ssh got this...ssh thedude@192.168.1.6 |
| 23:00.08 | KILLME1 | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.6 port 22: No route to host |
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| 23:00.32 | markybob | now you know to use cp and not dd for that. and to have backups |
| 23:00.45 | markybob | yeah, i'm drunk |
| 23:00.46 | mutante | KILLME1: eeh. maybe try to connect a flash drive to usb |
| 23:01.04 | mutante | do not reboot :p |
| 23:01.31 | KILLME1 | cant pull up thunar or a terminal |
| 23:01.47 | mutante | well, what does still work |
| 23:02.05 | KILLME1 | whisker-menu and conky's still running |
| 23:02.09 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.09 | somiaj | most likely only stuff in memeory works, anything you have to read from the disk might fail |
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| 23:02.55 | mutante | well, then that's probably the end of it there |
| 23:03.45 | KILLME1 | Assuming my OS is completly boned is there any way to recover anything? |
| 23:04.02 | somiaj | KILLME1: there are ways to recover stuff, though being inside encryption might make it way harder. |
| 23:04.21 | somiaj | KILLME1: what you will want to do is remove that drive and ensure you never write to it (until you are done recovering) |
| 23:04.58 | somiaj | KILLME1: then you will need another machine, you will want to make an image of the drive on the new machine, and then try to use recering tools for hte image. I'm unsure what sort of tools exist for encryption, but some might exist in the case you still have the key. |
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| 23:06.18 | KILLME1 | alright thanks for pointing me in the right direction somiaj |
| 23:07.24 | somiaj | KILLME1: one pice of advise (that I only partly use cause I'm lazy is), any data that is not located on three different mediums is considered lost. |
| 23:07.33 | somiaj | KILLME1: this won't help now, but for future times |
| 23:08.15 | KILLME1 | yeah lesson learned *facepalm |
| 23:09.14 | somiaj | and for those extra paranoid, an offsite backup is good to (think fire) |
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| 23:10.25 | Spec | 'extra paranoid' :P |
| 23:10.32 | teraflops | s/offsite/offshore :P |
| 23:10.44 | AvatarA | offplanet |
| 23:11.24 | KILLME1 | off 3rd dimensional plane of existance kek |
| 23:11.52 | mutante | the best backup is that golden disk on the pionner |
| 23:12.01 | teraflops | xD |
| 23:12.23 | simonlnu | s/pionner/voyager/ |
| 23:13.19 | mutante | are you sure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque |
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| 23:17.10 | redfish | btw, the answer to my question about packaging tmpfiles.d files is to name the file as xxx.tmpfile and drop it in debian/, the packager will pick it up from there |
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