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| 00:00.12 | hektabyte | Guys, how come there's no winetricks package for Debian? How do I include https://packages.debian.org/jessie/otherosfs? |
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| 00:02.31 | somiaj | ,v winetricks |
| 00:02.32 | judd | Package: winetricks on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.0+20121030+svn918-1; jessie/contrib: 0.0+20141009+svn1208-2; sid/contrib: 0.0+20160425-1; stretch/contrib: 0.0+20160425-1 |
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| 00:02.54 | somiaj | hektabyte: winetricks is part of conrtib because you can use it to install nonfree software on your computer. |
| 00:03.02 | hektabyte | Ah! Just a moment! |
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| 00:04.50 | hektabyte | Thanks guys, I added deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib to sources.list and installed winetricks! :D |
| 00:05.20 | Devastator | somiaj sorry to bother but do you know who handle the factoids? |
| 00:05.30 | somiaj | Devastator: in what way? |
| 00:05.56 | Devastator | somiaj I was going to suggest to update fixgrub factoid |
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| 00:07.17 | somiaj | Devastator: I belive you can just do this, how do you want to fix it? Do you just want to change some small part or rewrite? I can do a few things but not don't know the syntax off the top of my head. |
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| 00:08.17 | Arahael | Akuw: do you know why you couldn't understand my question? |
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| 00:08.45 | Devastator | somiaj I think a rewrite is needed, since the debian-installer has Rescue Mode and you can mount rootfs and Reinstall Grub through curses screen, no need to chroot it anymore |
| 00:08.48 | Akuw | man, i only need a dictionary |
| 00:08.50 | Akuw | just that |
| 00:09.31 | Arahael | Akuw: that wasn't what you asked for though! anyway. |
| 00:09.37 | somiaj | Devastator: I woudln't take away that info because that works from any live system, but maybe add a new factoid about using the rescue mode and then link to that. |
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| 00:09.57 | Akuw | sorry |
| 00:11.06 | Devastator | somiaj in my case, which you also helped, I couldn't mount rootfs the way the instructions were telling me |
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| 00:11.58 | somiaj | Devastator: what failed? do you not use a ext4 file system? |
| 00:12.10 | Arahael | Akuw: maybe aptitude search spanish dictionary will work. i don't know of a spanish-specific dictionary. |
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| 00:12.56 | Devastator | somiaj it was probably ext3, the instructions said ext2, but I was seeing: no such file or directory error when trying to mount it.. |
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| 00:15.05 | somiaj | Devastator: well I'm not the one who is in charge of the bot, but if you had a specific suggestion to improve it I would do so. |
| 00:15.39 | somiaj | Devastator: I don't think rewriting it is an improvement, but for its current state what do you think should be there instead of /dev/whatever? |
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| 00:17.08 | Devastator | somiaj I think that's not really the problem, I just don't think those instructions are quite valid right now, but I can't check it again as I fixed the other way |
| 00:17.08 | Akuw | Arahael: i found --> sdcv - console version of StarDict program |
| 00:17.19 | Akuw | downloading dictionary file |
| 00:17.19 | Devastator | somiaj brb |
| 00:17.43 | Arahael | Akuw: excellent. |
| 00:18.04 | Akuw | i love shell |
| 00:19.31 | mekeor | hey. i'm using gnome (and gdm). i'd like to try out kde plasma. can i just go for it and install it using "apt-get install kde-standard"? |
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| 00:21.35 | somiaj | Devastator: the instructions should work fine, they are just a bit tarse (as are most factoids) |
| 00:22.19 | Arahael | *terse |
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| 00:23.19 | somiaj | Devastator: but thanks for the suggestions. I do think another facotoid (that is mentioned in the fixgrub) pointing to using the rescue mode is a good idea, I just don't think we shoudl replace the one that says how to do it from any live system |
| 00:24.25 | somiaj | Devastator: yea 'rescue' and 'rescue mode' already point to the documentation on how to use it. Maybe we should point novice users at that facotid instead of fixgrub |
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| 00:28.12 | Devastator | somiaj thank you for looking into it :) |
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| 00:49.52 | kcirick | if I want to mv multiple files with the same extension, and try to do mv *.jpg<tab>, it returns the first matched file. I want it to show the matched files (double <tab>). How can I enable this? |
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| 00:55.58 | kcirick | maybe has something to do with bash-completion? |
| 00:55.58 | somiaj | kcirick: this may not be what you want, but 'echo *jpg' will give you a list |
| 00:56.12 | somiaj | kcirick: you could look there, I'm unsure how tab completion works with shell wildcards |
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| 00:57.26 | kcirick | somiaj: it's more when I want to use mv to move several files at once... to make sure I'm moving the right files, I used to be able to do double <tab> to show me the selected files |
| 00:57.48 | zykotick9 | somiaj: neat trick, thanks! |
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| 00:58.45 | somiaj | kcirick: hence echo *jpg will list all the files that get matched so you can check that |
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| 01:02.41 | kcirick | is there a way to disable tab completion to the first match? if I do mv *<tab>, then the first file comes up. If I don't want that file, then I have to delete the file name and start over again |
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| 01:03.20 | somiaj | kcirick: you just want a list to see if *jpg matches the files you want to move before you move them? |
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| 01:03.52 | somiaj | kcirick: note tabcompletion may not be able to achive what you want, you could look into bash tabcompletion, maybe join #bash for more on that. |
| 01:03.56 | kcirick | somiaj: ideally on the fly |
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| 01:04.42 | somiaj | kcirick: running echo *jpg first is quick check that will work, otherwise you may get either help or more details on how tab completion can work with wild cards in #bash |
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| 01:05.43 | kcirick | somiaj: I'll try #bash.. thanks, I'll let you know if there is something |
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| 01:09.31 | ryan57 | how would one get a list of priorities and sections supported by the packaging system of...a system? |
| 01:09.56 | vvande | kcirick: I just did a bit of testing to see what you were saying, and see that it seems to be a bash thing. Tcsh doesn't work that way. Perhaps consider another shell. |
| 01:11.41 | kcirick | vvande: Let me check... |
| 01:11.56 | vvande | ok :) |
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| 01:12.29 | kcirick | vvande: I've never used any other shells than bash though |
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| 01:13.45 | vvande | it may not work for you. I run FreeBSD for my desktop and it has many shell choices, the defailt is (t)csh. But I run bask on my other computers which are Debian. |
| 01:14.27 | kcirick | vvande: I checked on my other machine that is not running debian, and the double tab works there, so it must be the default setting in either bash or readline |
| 01:15.03 | vvande | kcirick: sounds reasonable. In testing just now, I see what you're on about and it would certainly be nice to change. |
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| 01:26.45 | duser | i install debian amd64, trying kernel 4.5.x and 4.6.x but my hdmi still no working. |
| 01:27.07 | duser | first i ran xrandr which says hdmi disconnected. |
| 01:27.23 | duser | then i check nonfree firmware but it's the latest. |
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| 01:27.49 | duser | checking dmesg no error related to hdmi. |
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| 01:28.12 | duser | and updating to use 4.6.0 also not working. |
| 01:28.34 | duser | http://paste.debian.net/738912/ |
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| 01:43.15 | orlock | I can't seem to find nis 3.17-34 for Wheezy - am i blind, or is it not in backports? |
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| 01:44.21 | jmcnaught | ,v nis |
| 01:44.22 | judd | Package: nis on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.17-31; wheezy: 3.17-32; jessie: 3.17-33; sid: 3.17-34; stretch: 3.17-34 |
| 01:45.03 | orlock | sorry, jessie, not wheezy |
| 01:45.08 | orlock | same problem though |
| 01:45.10 | n_blownapart | hi my gnome desktop was missing characters in the clock and elsewhere. I discovered to restart gnome : 'ALT-F2 + r' temporarily solved it. Every few days I restart. Does this indicate to anyone an obvious corrupted file in particular? thanks |
| 01:45.52 | somiaj | orlock: what arch are you on? |
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| 01:46.11 | orlock | x86_64 |
| 01:46.19 | jmcnaught | orlock: why do you think you need -34? |
| 01:46.37 | orlock | jmcnaught: because of the bug in -33 that causes yppasswd to degfault |
| 01:46.51 | somiaj | orlock: you may have to backport it yourself. |
| 01:46.54 | orlock | behaviour of crypt() changed |
| 01:47.05 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: in what ways does your system deviate from stock jessie gnome? |
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| 01:47.42 | orlock | somiaj: yeah, which means spinning up a vm with compilers, etc - which i dont have a problem doing, but i'd rather ask if i'm just missing something |
| 01:47.48 | n_blownapart | it doesnt you mean, jmcnaught ? |
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| 01:49.45 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: i'm asking you to tell us what you've changed from defaults, if anything. using proprietary graphics drivers? installed some themes? anything like that could be relevant |
| 01:50.50 | jmcnaught | orlock: i haven't read #721737 but are there any requests there for the fix to be backported to stable? |
| 01:50.51 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/721737 in nis (closed, patch): «nis: segfault in yppasswd when using shadow»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-09-03; last modified: 2015-05-29. |
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| 01:52.28 | orlock | jmcnaught: Yes |
| 01:52.35 | orlock | "3.17-34 didn't make it into jessie. Could you please upload a fixed |
| 01:52.36 | orlock | package to stable-proposed-updates or maybe even security?" |
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| 01:56.30 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, thank you, I haven't installed any themes. I'm fairly certain I haven't installed any graphics drivers, though in one of my clueless frenzies I might have on this machine. could you direct me to directories where I can look and jog my memory? |
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| 01:57.28 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you which driver is in use |
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| 01:57.52 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: but this problem was happening right from the first boot after installing? |
| 01:58.24 | n_blownapart | no I was busy for a year screwing things up jmcnaught |
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| 01:58.49 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: i would check to see if it happens for another user (create a test account) |
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| 02:01.21 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, ok thanks I did try that but I didn't hang around in the user for long. any way to force a scenario there? |
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| 02:02.38 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: have some patience? :) figuring out if this problem is specific to your account will help you isolate the problem to either per-user config or something system wide |
| 02:03.01 | jmcnaught | maybe leave that user logged in while you're out or something |
| 02:03.36 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, good call many thanks will do |
| 02:04.35 | jmcnaught | if it also happens to the test account, then you know it's a system-wide issue. if not, then you can look at resetting some defaults in your own account (possibly by moving stuff out of ~/.local and ~/.config) |
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| 02:06.12 | n_blownapart | ok thanks I'll work on it |
| 02:06.59 | Zliba | i have three partitions... /boot, luks, truecrypt, and 3gb unpartitioned space. How's the best way to use that 3GB as encrypted Swap? should I put luks on it and automount, or should I shift everything over and expand my second partition? |
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| 02:09.45 | n_blownapart | jmcnaught, would you mind looking at this? some stuff in .config I have no clue what it is : https://www.refheap.com/120287 |
| 02:12.49 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: some of those are programs, like evolution or libreoffice. some of them are libraries, like gtk. some are cross-desktop settings like user-dirs.dirs. You might not make very much progress reading through them |
| 02:13.38 | jmcnaught | but if you determine that this problem doesn't happen to your test account, you could consider moving some or all of those do a temporary location, and then waiting to see if the problem happens |
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| 02:14.04 | n_blownapart | Trolltech.conf ? tracker? |
| 02:14.21 | kcirick | So I found the work around with the completion... I dont remember who was helping me with this like 30 minutes ago maybe? |
| 02:14.37 | jmcnaught | n_blownapart: trolltech is the company that developed Qt, tracker is a search indexer used by GNOME |
| 02:15.07 | n_blownapart | ok thanks more drama later jmcnaught |
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| 02:17.51 | kcirick | it turns out there is a problem with bash_completion package not being able to do the "glob" expansion correctly? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/76592/how-do-i-let-bash-autocomplete-wildcards |
| 02:18.08 | kcirick | so I uninstalled bash_completion and double tab works as expected |
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| 03:38.32 | reverse_light | Hello, I have a problem. I use 'systemctl sleep' to sleep my PC, Debian. But it sometimes doesn't come back. |
| 03:38.57 | reverse_light | What log file should I see? or What command should I type to check log? thanks. |
| 03:39.42 | reverse_light | sorry, I use 'systemctl suspend'. |
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| 03:40.08 | MasonHauk | Hi I have a question |
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| 03:40.47 | MasonHauk | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.49 | MasonHauk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:41.09 | MasonHauk | or do I need two GPU's or use two cables or something I dont know... |
| 03:41.32 | prussian | you can try getting a tty from a serial port :þ |
| 03:41.38 | prussian | or ssh...... |
| 03:41.59 | prussian | if you want virt-manager you can control it via ssh |
| 03:42.12 | MasonHauk | When I boot up it goes straight to a command line |
| 03:42.16 | prussian | you can run virt manager on a remote machine and it can interact with the remote via ssh |
| 03:42.17 | MasonHauk | log in etc |
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| 03:42.41 | prussian | so you get the good ol agetty'd tty? |
| 03:42.58 | prussian | I'm confused |
| 03:43.03 | MasonHauk | I dont understand tty |
| 03:43.09 | MasonHauk | Alright let me explain |
| 03:43.12 | MasonHauk | Thanks so much |
| 03:43.24 | MasonHauk | Ive got the boot line working |
| 03:44.03 | MasonHauk | But I boot straight into a console log in screen like X is not working and I have no KDE Plasma |
| 03:44.45 | MasonHauk | Im wondering where in the tutorial does it come back around for me to set up the "re mapping?" so I can use KDE againa nd run virt-manager |
| 03:44.49 | MasonHauk | I dont know |
| 03:44.56 | prussian | oh |
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| 03:45.04 | prussian | so when you try to get X going it fails? |
| 03:45.12 | prussian | your DM isn't starting? |
| 03:45.21 | prussian | do you have an nvida gpu? |
| 03:45.52 | MasonHauk | no my X serv starts auto matically when I add the options in the grub conf and then update my grub it does not go to X |
| 03:45.58 | MasonHauk | let me show you |
| 03:46.22 | Zliba | where do i get the uuid of a device? |
| 03:46.40 | MasonHauk | #GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="pcie_acs_override=downstream intel_iommu=on pci-stub.ids=1002:6811,1002:aab0 i915.enable_hd_vgaarb=1" |
| 03:47.20 | prussian | so wait... |
| 03:47.26 | prussian | you're using KDE now? |
| 03:47.34 | MasonHauk | yes |
| 03:47.38 | MasonHauk | after I commited it |
| 03:47.38 | prussian | I'm pretty sure KDE has a DM |
| 03:47.50 | MasonHauk | and re started again |
| 03:47.54 | MasonHauk | without that in use |
| 03:48.03 | MasonHauk | but I want to use that and have KDE |
| 03:48.06 | MasonHauk | on one start up |
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| 03:48.21 | prussian | are you using debian? |
| 03:48.23 | MasonHauk | I use SDDM |
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| 03:48.47 | MasonHauk | Im actully using Gentoo, no one can even say a word about this in #gentoo or #funtoo. |
| 03:48.57 | prussian | ok, that's fine |
| 03:48.59 | prussian | uh |
| 03:49.01 | MasonHauk | :) |
| 03:49.04 | MasonHauk | thanks so much ! |
| 03:49.10 | MasonHauk | so its possible? |
| 03:49.14 | prussian | ya |
| 03:49.21 | prussian | do you use systemd or...... |
| 03:49.24 | prussian | openrc? |
| 03:49.24 | MasonHauk | Then Im in for the money |
| 03:49.29 | MasonHauk | openrc |
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| 03:49.55 | prussian | service sddm start |
| 03:49.58 | prussian | does that do anything? |
| 03:50.05 | MasonHauk | You know I didnt try |
| 03:50.26 | MasonHauk | I figured it would have started up either way |
| 03:50.35 | prussian | ya you might need to "enable it" |
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| 03:50.50 | MasonHauk | if it didnt because I havnt set up remapping or something like that after blacklisting |
| 03:51.12 | MasonHauk | hmmm |
| 03:52.07 | MasonHauk | So should I have all those or does one not accept X pcie_acs_override=downstream intel_iommu=on pci-stub.ids=1002:6811,1002:aab0 i915.enable_hd_vgaarb=1 |
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| 03:52.31 | MasonHauk | How do I enable it or what should I do? |
| 03:53.03 | prussian | did your dm start? wait |
| 03:53.17 | MasonHauk | no my dm did not start |
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| 03:54.54 | MasonHauk | thats what Im wondering how do I get my DM to start with PCI Passthrough PCI stub black list |
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| 03:55.45 | prussian | well what does your Xorg logs say? |
| 03:58.04 | MasonHauk | no screens found |
| 03:58.22 | MasonHauk | UnloadModule: "radeon" |
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| 04:00.12 | MasonHauk | I think I have to set X to follow the edits of the GPU PCI stubs |
| 04:00.24 | MasonHauk | but the guide does not say anything really about that |
| 04:00.32 | MasonHauk | Ive looked at a couple now |
| 04:01.46 | penrod | greetings, doing a fresh install of "jessie" and after partitoning, I get the "failed to mount partition #1 /" any ideas ? |
| 04:01.55 | orlock | MasonHauk: damn, flashback to the 90's dude. |
| 04:01.55 | jmcnaught | reverse_light: take a look in the journal. if it's not resuming, you may want to enable persistent journals (it shows how in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian) |
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| 04:02.51 | jmcnaught | reverse_light: with persistent journals you can use "journalctl --boot=-1" to see the journal from the previous boot |
| 04:05.19 | MasonHauk | orlock, who are you do I know you? |
| 04:05.31 | Zliba | hey can someone post their swap line from fstab for me? |
| 04:05.43 | MasonHauk | lol I was like 9 on irc back then |
| 04:05.50 | MasonHauk | 26 now |
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| 04:06.10 | jmcnaught | Zliba: /dev/mapper/godwin--vg-swap none swap sw 0 0 |
| 04:06.23 | Zliba | thanks jmcnaught, perfect. |
| 04:07.24 | MasonHauk | prussia, any ideas? |
| 04:07.34 | MasonHauk | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 04:11.46 | jmcnaught | MasonHauk: I haven't ever tried pci passthrough because i only ever seem to have laptops with vt-d, but https://wiki.debian.org/VGAPassthrough this page might help though it's for qemu no libvirt. |
| 04:13.23 | jmcnaught | MasonHauk: this page has libvirt XML for pci passthrough among other things http://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html |
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| 04:17.06 | MasonHauk | hmm ok |
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| 04:17.20 | MasonHauk | ill see what I can find out and be right back |
| 04:21.41 | prussian | MasonHauk: it sounds like you need the Intel 2d drivers for X |
| 04:21.43 | prussian | Xorg |
| 04:21.49 | prussian | since it can't find any |
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| 05:07.38 | reverse_light | jmcnaught: Thank you. |
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| 05:31.28 | ByteStorm | jmcnaught can you provide me the weblink where theres a list of all debian jessie i386 download packages...including the torrent one |
| 05:32.03 | jmcnaught | ByteStorm: do you mean where to get .torrents for the installer ISOs? |
| 05:32.06 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 05:32.14 | ByteStorm | https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ---> i cant find the torrent one here |
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| 05:32.40 | ByteStorm | no i mean where i can find the torrent file for jessie 8.5 |
| 05:32.47 | jmcnaught | ByteStorm: https://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 05:33.02 | ByteStorm | thnx |
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| 06:02.04 | hiya | iceweasel = EOL? |
| 06:02.12 | hiya | firefox-esr comes :D |
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| 06:19.00 | beli3ver | morning |
| 06:19.33 | beli3ver | is there a repo for the Maya (california) calendar |
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| 06:26.08 | sascha | hey, I'm having a problem with vnstat not updating any status |
| 06:26.18 | sascha | i'm on debian testing |
| 06:26.25 | sascha | vnstatd is running |
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| 06:27.10 | sascha | the only option I disabled is bandwidth checking |
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| 06:30.15 | ByteStorm | guys im installing debian 8.4 in my pals laptop |
| 06:30.25 | ByteStorm | so my question is this |
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| 06:30.54 | ByteStorm | if i install debian in a drive,say C: drive,will it format any other drives bcoz |
| 06:31.03 | ByteStorm | none of his stuff is backed up |
| 06:31.23 | ByteStorm | and i dont wanna break his system |
| 06:31.26 | ByteStorm | ??? |
| 06:32.39 | zykotick9 | "none of his stuff is backed up" <- stop! do not pass go. back up first! |
| 06:33.05 | ByteStorm | so it will format his whole drive??? |
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| 06:33.42 | sascha | ByteStorm: if you have to ask, whether it does, it will probably do, yeah |
| 06:33.51 | jmcnaught | ByteStorm: you can manually choose what to format and what not to, but it's easy to make mistakes and you should always have a backup |
| 06:34.07 | ByteStorm | yeah i thought tht too |
| 06:34.19 | ByteStorm | so i asked you guys |
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| 06:36.27 | ByteStorm | ok im taking a backup |
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| 06:48.16 | Arahael | personally, if this is a shop and you're working for a customer, i'd be tempted to backup even if the customer didn't pay for it. |
| 06:48.36 | Arahael | do your thing. confirm it works. delete the backup after a few days. |
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| 06:52.24 | Stummi | ByteStorm, the DI won't touch other drives as long you don't something wrong (and tell it to format these drives). But according your question I would says theres some chance of you doing something wrong |
| 06:52.40 | Stummi | *you don't do |
| 06:52.57 | ByteStorm | ok lol |
| 06:52.59 | nkuttler | you're always doing something wrong if there are no backups |
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| 06:54.30 | Stummi | sort of, but this hasn't to do anything with the process of installing a new OS |
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| 06:56.41 | bstotch | hi - i'm having issues with bumblebee that apparently are solved with 3.19. can anyone please tell me how to upgrade? |
| 06:56.57 | jmcnaught | when you're installing an OS part of the process involves using a tool that can easily delete everything on a drive. mistakes happen, and if you have backups you can recover from them |
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| 06:57.57 | jmcnaught | bstotch: do you mean linux 3.19 or bumblebee 3.19? |
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| 06:58.38 | bstotch | jmcnaught: from the bug reports i've read, linux 3.19+ |
| 06:58.54 | bstotch | jmcnaught: although I imagine a more recent bumblebee would probably help too :) |
| 06:59.37 | jmcnaught | !tell bstotch about bdo |
| 06:59.42 | jmcnaught | !tell bstotch about bdo kernel |
| 07:00.25 | jmcnaught | bstotch: see the messages from dpkg, and the instructions link in the first message for details |
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| 07:02.03 | bstotch | jmcnaught: thanks! I already have backports; just afraid of jumping from linux-3.16 and getting a whole new mess |
| 07:02.12 | bstotch | jmcnaught: *to 4.5 |
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| 07:03.07 | jmcnaught | bstotch: well i prefer to use the stock kernel unless i have a good reason to use backports |
| 07:03.24 | jmcnaught | when you install the kernel from backports the 3.16 stock kernel will still be there as a boot option |
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| 07:04.16 | bstotch | jmcnaught: so that should still work if i install 4.5? |
| 07:05.04 | jmcnaught | yes, if you run into problems with the newer kernel you can boot back into the old one and remove it |
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| 07:05.42 | bstotch | jmcnaught: how can I check backports for a newer bumblebee |
| 07:07.56 | bstotch | jmcnaught: nevermind; figured it out. Thanks for the help, will try upgrading bumblebee first, and then the kernel if needed |
| 07:08.32 | jmcnaught | bstotch: check for available versions of a package with "apt-cache policy <package>" (or aptitude versions) |
| 07:08.48 | jmcnaught | ,v bumblebee |
| 07:08.49 | judd | Package: bumblebee on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 3.2.1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.2.1-7; jessie-backports: 3.2.1-10~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.2.1-12; sid: 3.2.1-13 |
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| 07:17.27 | veek | when's sid becoming stable |
| 07:17.37 | veek | 8.5 is out |
| 07:18.01 | towo^work | sid never becoming stable |
| 07:18.07 | towo^work | sid is ever unstable |
| 07:18.13 | veek | err rather stretch |
| 07:18.27 | towo^work | stretch will be released when it's done |
| 07:18.41 | towo^work | as allways in debian |
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| 07:21.44 | jelly | !stretch freeze |
| 07:21.44 | dpkg | Stretch will start to freeze in early 2017; no new versions of packages will enter the release as this is a period of intense bug fixing. See http://lists.debian.org/%3C20160303221359.GA1401@lupin.powdarrmonkey.net%3E https://release.debian.org/stretch/freeze_policy.html and ask me about <slushy>. |
| 07:23.15 | veek | jelly, anyway to get an idea of the number of pkgs frozen |
| 07:23.34 | jelly | "all of them" |
| 07:24.41 | dionysus69 | how can I make gnome terminal support georgian script? something like this ááááá á¯ááá áá ááá á¥áá áá£áá á¢áá¥á¡á¢á |
| 07:24.50 | dionysus69 | it shows up distorted |
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| 07:25.30 | inch | I tried to copy/paste that into gnome-terminal and it shows just fine. |
| 07:25.37 | veek | jelly, so they freeze on a particular date-range? When the "testing" distribution is mature enough, the release manager starts `freezing' it Once that bug count lowers to maximum acceptable values, the frozen "testing" distribution is declared "stable" and released with a version number. |
| 07:26.29 | inch | dionysus69: Make sure you are using an utf-8 locale and have enough fonts installed. |
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| 07:26.45 | veek | jelly, looks like they maintain a bug count.. and as that tapers the pkg drops from unstable to testing.. so.. i should be able to look at.. the pkgs not yet in testing? |
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| 07:26.58 | dionysus69 | inch: I am using utf-8 locale. default system font for georgian is sylfaen, how do I install that? |
| 07:27.17 | dionysus69 | I assume I need a monospace version of it for terminal correct? |
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| 07:27.50 | jelly | veek: I'm not sure what your goal is? |
| 07:28.18 | veek | jelly, well i use shutter a lot and one of the plugins doesn't work 'imgur' |
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| 07:28.36 | veek | so i was wondering how long it'd take to get an upgrade.. |
| 07:28.56 | jelly | noone can say for sure, maybe a year, maybe not |
| 07:28.56 | veek | https://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?standard=only&rc=1#results lists just 6 pks with bugs |
| 07:29.03 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 07:29.03 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=wheezy&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 07:29.43 | inch | dionysus69: I'm not sure which font package you need. I have about 30-40 font packages installed and none of them says sylfaen and the text still shows correctly. |
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| 07:30.55 | jelly | veek: you have "standard installation only" selected |
| 07:30.56 | dionysus69 | inch: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/fonts-bpg-georgian |
| 07:31.03 | dionysus69 | how do I know if that font is default system font? |
| 07:31.19 | dionysus69 | I am not sure if sylfaen is even right font for linux systems, it is for windows though |
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| 07:32.32 | jelly | veek: er, "packages in standard installation". So that limits the resulting view of bugs. |
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| 07:36.26 | inch | dionysus69: I don't think there is concept of "a default system font" in linux distros. |
| 07:36.37 | veek | jelly thanks got it.. 'tagged patch' tagged pendinf etc |
| 07:36.57 | inch | gnome-terminal has it's own place to choose a font, xterm somewhere else, etc. |
| 07:37.25 | dionysus69 | whatever the gnome shell is using when I set alt-shift changeable languages |
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| 07:39.10 | jmcnaught | dionysus69: in gnome-terminal if you go to the terminal menu, what is selected under "set character encoding"? |
| 07:40.05 | dionysus69 | jmcnaught: unicode (utf-8) |
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| 07:50.25 | FinalX | hm, can I apt-get install a package forcibly with "broken" dependencies? it's in a container so I don't give a damn if I screw the package listing (actual things it depends on are installed, but package is now called differently, so dependency fails) |
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| 07:50.53 | FinalX | just trying to get it to work for a presentation later, then I can toss the container again.. :) |
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| 07:54.02 | vlt | Hello. For 10 years now we were using Ubuntu and LTSP server. A few weeks ago â I think after another firefox update â users began to complain about the whole system being unbearably slow. Scrolling became a nightmare. |
| 07:54.07 | vlt | Then last week I switched the first users to a fresh Debian 8 install. |
| 07:54.13 | vlt | Happiness all around! It was incredibly fast. |
| 07:54.24 | vlt | But after only a few days I ran updates last weekend and something happened to the iceweasel packages: Thereâs now firefox and we experience the same slowness as on the Ubuntu systems. |
| 07:54.28 | vlt | Any idea whatâs going on here? |
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| 08:01.13 | jmcnaught | vlt: you're using firefox-esr? does the same problem happen if you start firefox in safe-mode? |
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| 08:02.02 | luffy_ | hi |
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| 08:02.48 | vlt | jmcnaught: I was using iceweasel. There was no firefox last week when I installed it. Then with the updates last weekend there were firefox-esr packages installed. The binary that is running now is /usr/bin/iceweasel, though. |
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| 08:03.20 | vlt | jmcnaught: I donât know waht safe-mode is. |
| 08:04.02 | jmcnaught | vlt: /usr/bin/iceweasel should now be a symlink to firefox-esr unless you have something weird going on |
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| 08:04.36 | jmcnaught | vlt: to start firefox in safe mode, either go to "about:support" and use the button, or from a terminal run "firefox-esr -safe-mode" |
| 08:04.56 | vlt | jmcnaught: Yes, itâs a symlink to ../lib/firefox-esr/... |
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| 08:07.53 | dinux | Never did understand why they forked firefox in the first place |
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| 08:08.11 | jmcnaught | dinux: there's a wikipedia article about it |
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| 08:08.29 | dinux | I bet, still ... |
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| 08:09.41 | dinux | I do know _why_ the they did it, iceweasel never was a great idea |
| 08:10.19 | jmcnaught | the wikipedia article talks about reasons why |
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| 08:10.38 | jmcnaught | the truth is out there... |
| 08:11.42 | dinux | lol :), reasons or not. Firefox is back again |
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| 08:14.58 | vlt | So is the unbearable slowness. |
| 08:15.06 | vlt | iceweasel was fassssst. |
| 08:15.23 | jmcnaught | vlt: no difference in safe mode? |
| 08:15.35 | vlt | jmcnaught: Havenât tried yet. |
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| 08:19.12 | Sar_s | hi |
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| 08:21.39 | Sar_s | I'm trying to compile a package but It fail when I use "make install". I've seen that one of the source files has a reference to the ${PROJECT_SOURCE_DIR} variable but this variable is not define. is it supposed that I have to define this variable manually ? or the cmake should do it ? |
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| 08:28.19 | ChrisH | yes / yes |
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| 08:30.35 | Sar_s | ChrisH: is that yes for me ? |
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| 08:33.49 | ChrisH | Sar_s: yes. both of them as you asked two questions... but use aptitude search XXX on debian. |
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| 08:46.37 | Sar_s | ChrisH: thanks, it seems its a problem with the cmake version |
| 08:47.05 | Sar_s | it doesn't define the PROJECT_SOURCE_DIR variable |
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| 08:50.03 | vlt | I just downgraded: `apt install iceweasel=38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1` and the browser is fast again. l10n is still missing. apt complains "E: Version '38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1' for 'iceweasel-l10n-de' was not found". Where to get the correct version string for that pkg? |
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| 08:52.12 | dagerik | what is a good way to securely host multiple websites on same machine? I want to prevent compromise of all incase of compromise in one service |
| 08:53.09 | Wulf | dagerik: virtualization of some kind |
| 08:53.40 | FinalX | run all executable content of a user as their own user, at least |
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| 08:54.28 | vlt | How can I find the previous version string for the iceweasel-l10n-de pkg? |
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| 08:54.51 | Wulf | vlt: "previous"? |
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| 08:55.04 | Wulf | oh, before downgrade |
| 08:55.34 | vlt | Wulf: I downgraded iceweasel to the last known working version (from last week) but l10n is still missing. |
| 08:56.10 | Wulf | vlt: are you actually looking for a package? |
| 08:56.20 | Wulf | vlt: I'm not sure why you'd want a "string" |
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| 08:57.05 | vlt | Wulf: I ran `apt install iceweasel=38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1` and now the browser is fast again. But apt complains "E: Version '38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1' for 'iceweasel-l10n-de' was not found" after the same command just for the l10n pkg. |
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| 08:57.59 | vlt | What apt command do I need to run to set iceweasel-l10n-de to the corresponding version of the iceweasel pkg itself? |
| 08:58.28 | vlt | The one that worked just fine til the updates last weekend. |
| 08:59.46 | Wulf | vlt: compare https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel to https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel-l10n-de |
| 08:59.52 | Wulf | vlt: I'd say those packages are gone |
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| 09:00.25 | Wulf | vlt: do you really need the same version? |
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| 09:00.49 | vlt | Wulf: I need l10n to work. |
| 09:01.13 | Wulf | vlt: yeah, but same version? |
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| 09:02.13 | vlt | Wulf: Iâm installing it via dpkg -i from /var/cache/apt/archives/ now. Damn it. |
| 09:02.18 | Wulf | vlt: http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/iceweasel-l10n-de/ |
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| 09:09.04 | dagerik | I have created a new pool /etc/php5/fpm/pool.d/support.conf which creates /var/run/php5-fpm-support.sock. im using a separate user support for this. Nginx is unable to read the socket: connect() to unix:/var/run/php5-fpm-support.sock failed (13: Permission denied) |
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| 09:24.34 | FinalX | dagerik: you should check the permissions, nginx must be able to write to the socket, so it probably should be added to the group of the user, and then give the group write permissions (or use a seperate group that contains both for just the socket) |
| 09:25.22 | FinalX | I just chgrp the sockets to the default nginx group really |
| 09:25.38 | FinalX | there's no real added risk, as code is never execute as the nginx user |
| 09:26.13 | FinalX | (you can give different owner/group/mode to the socket, than the fpm processes are running as!) |
| 09:26.52 | dagerik | FinalX: thanks. the socket owner should be www-data |
| 09:26.57 | dagerik | so nginx can read it |
| 09:27.07 | FinalX | yeah, or nginx if you use nginx.org's own packages |
| 09:27.30 | FinalX | socket owner could even be that, as long as you run fpm as its own, different, user |
| 09:27.38 | dagerik | new problem: my folder /var/www/support is now owned by user support. I think this causes nginx not to be able to cd into it and deliver files |
| 09:27.53 | dagerik | [crit] 15584#0: *1 stat() "/var/www/support/hei.txt" failed (13: Permission denied) |
| 09:28.05 | FinalX | same problem; www-data is not the owner, and you probably changed the group away from www-data as well |
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| 09:28.22 | FinalX | you could chgrp -R www-data /var/www/support, or add www-data to the new group |
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| 09:28.48 | FinalX | I prefer the latter, even though it's more work, because new files will be owned by user support's default group when user support creates them |
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| 09:29.03 | FinalX | (probably also support, if you just did useradd support) |
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| 09:29.19 | dagerik | FinalX: but my intention is to separate websites so they dont all is compromised if one is |
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| 09:29.49 | FinalX | well, static html/javascript/css won't execute code on the server side. nginx will have to, one way or another, read the files. |
| 09:30.08 | FinalX | PHP files will be read and executed by the FPM daemon, which runs as a seperate user, and won't be able to access the other user's files |
| 09:30.21 | dagerik | im getting the same error on foo.php |
| 09:30.25 | FinalX | nginx doesn't execute any scripts, CGI, PHP or otherwise |
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| 09:30.50 | dagerik | crit] 15584#0: *33 stat() "/var/www/support/foo.php" failed (13: Permission denied) |
| 09:31.19 | FinalX | btw, I made a little how-to about nginx, PHP-FPM etc a while back for friends, maybe it helps, too: https://finalx.nl/display/NG/Setting+up+a+WordPress+site |
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| 09:32.16 | bazhang | #nginx FinalX |
| 09:32.19 | FinalX | don't forget that you have to stop and start all processes using the user you just modified in order for new groups etc to take effect |
| 09:32.50 | FinalX | bazhang: he's having more than one issue, not just nginx, and as far as i can tell, there's not a single other soul talking |
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| 09:32.58 | FinalX | it's basically file permission issues :p |
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| 09:33.14 | bazhang | FinalX, man hier |
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| 09:34.18 | FinalX | heh, don't be a bitter old sod, there's way too many people already being that instead of actually giving a damn |
| 09:34.53 | bazhang | thats very informative vis a vis permissions |
| 09:35.06 | FinalX | dagerik: feel free to pm/query me |
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| 09:35.41 | FinalX | seems people prefer their scripted answers and "piss off to $x" more than actually helping people |
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| 09:36.45 | k_sze | If I want to apt-get install postgresql-9.4, but I don't want it to automatically create a cluster, what should I do? |
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| 09:44.17 | Includes08 | i'm having some trouble with postfix and imap. |
| 09:44.25 | Includes08 | i'm not receiving or being able to send mails. |
| 09:44.40 | RoyK | k_sze: from the manual - Before you can do anything, you must initialize a database storage area on disk. We call this a database cluster |
| 09:44.42 | Includes08 | and i haven't got errors unless i'm looking in the wrong place. |
| 09:44.45 | RoyK | k_sze: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/creating-cluster.html |
| 09:45.07 | RoyK | Includes08: what sort of imap server? |
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| 09:45.30 | Includes08 | well RoyK i'm running ispconfig |
| 09:45.58 | RoyK | no idea, then |
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| 09:47.56 | RoyK | Includes08: Looks like they have their own IRC channel http://www.ispconfig.org/community/ |
| 09:48.15 | Includes08 | quakenet brrrr |
| 09:48.21 | RoyK | not my fault :) |
| 09:48.21 | Includes08 | well thanks anyway :p |
| 09:48.24 | Includes08 | i knoq |
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| 09:49.54 | Includes08 | its pretty empty there xD |
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| 09:51.18 | RoyK | probably because they have fragmented the support across all possible social networks :P |
| 09:51.28 | Includes08 | true |
| 09:51.30 | Includes08 | but still |
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| 09:52.00 | k_sze | RoyK: I know. But I *don't* want the cluster to be automatically created. |
| 09:52.15 | k_sze | RoyK: I'd rather create it manually using pg_createcluster afterwards. |
| 09:52.36 | RoyK | can't you just remove the it? |
| 09:53.18 | RoyK | Includes08: looks like there's good activity on the forum https://www.howtoforge.com/community/#ispconfig-3.23 |
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| 09:53.37 | Includes08 | i know already tried but goesto slow :( |
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| 09:53.55 | RoyK | Includes08: I'd recommend configuring things manually - that way, you may even learn something :) |
| 09:54.21 | Includes08 | manually its easy to do :P give me a centos system and ill set up anything you want |
| 09:54.26 | Includes08 | but debian is to new for me ;x |
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| 10:02.39 | bdeferme | hi! |
| 10:02.49 | Iridos | hm, I have a 2TB disk with a lot of bad sectors that I still want to use for temporary space... what's the best way to go about that? mkfs.ext4 -c /dev/xx will apparently take 17 days(?) |
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| 10:09.14 | Iridos | Includes08, well, debug it... send a mail by connecting directly to port 25, see what the server says... then search for the content of your newly sent mail in your spooler dirs, then try to figure out if imap passes it on in its logs |
| 10:09.44 | RoyK | Includes08: it's not that different - really |
| 10:10.22 | Includes08 | question tho |
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| 10:10.30 | Includes08 | do you guys think fail2ban could be a problem |
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| 10:10.45 | RoyK | if your users forget their password every day, yes |
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| 10:11.13 | RoyK | I have a couple of users who's had such issues :) |
| 10:11.23 | Iridos | it... "could be a problem" |
| 10:11.36 | Iridos | but it writes log entries and it's easy enough to see the current firewall config |
| 10:11.42 | Includes08 | but i'm root ^^' |
| 10:11.57 | Includes08 | i'm looking at the logs now tho it looks pretty good |
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| 10:15.35 | Includes08 | what is UID and GID? |
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| 10:16.09 | Includes08 | normally thats just userid en groupid right? |
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| 10:17.23 | Iridos | it is |
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| 10:17.49 | Includes08 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.56 | Includes08 | no clue what to do with it |
| 10:17.57 | Includes08 | never seen ti |
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| 10:22.41 | Includes08 | (mail transport unavailable) does any of you know how to solve this? |
| 10:23.07 | Wulf | Includes08: sounds like a call to getuid() failed with an error? |
| 10:23.27 | Wulf | although manpage states "These functions are always successful" |
| 10:24.06 | Includes08 | Yeh i'm pretty stuck not knowing what to do cause my mail que is full |
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| 10:24.14 | Includes08 | 24 requests |
| 10:24.38 | ChrisH | Iridos: If those bad sectors are clustered, you might can partition around the bad parts and put the partitions into one VG |
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| 10:26.56 | Iridos | hm, but to see that, I still have to diagnose it (again) |
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| 10:27.27 | ChrisH | Iridos: yep. badblocks? |
| 10:27.31 | z4t | hi , some one konows the french debian room name s |
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| 10:28.14 | Iridos | badblocks is what mkfs.ext4 runs... and what e2fsck runs... which says 0.02% done, 7:52 elapsed. |
| 10:28.48 | z4t | un elephant cela trope enormement |
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| 10:29.39 | Iridos | well... guess if I want to use that for temporary stuff, it's not before 2 weeks from now |
| 10:30.06 | Iridos | 0.02% done, 9:42 elapsed. (175/0/0 errors) |
| 10:30.50 | Iridos | or a month |
| 10:31.19 | Iridos | I wondered if there are mount options that would make it check on writing |
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| 10:43.12 | Includes08 | does someone dare to take a try and help me fix it :( |
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| 11:00.15 | dagerik | when I run a separate phpfpm5 pool with user support, how should permissions be on /var/www/support/? |
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| 11:01.38 | Wulf | dagerik: use virtualization instead of fpm pools |
| 11:01.44 | Wulf | dagerik: if you care about security |
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| 11:02.41 | dagerik | Wulf: i dont care that much about security |
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| 11:04.42 | Wulf | dagerik: every web site usually needs two users. One which has write permissions on everything, and one which executes php |
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| 11:05.00 | Wulf | dagerik: and then there's the user which the webserver runs as. So 3 users in total |
| 11:05.12 | Wulf | dagerik: webserver needs read access to static web pages, images, etc |
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| 11:05.29 | Wulf | dagerik: php user needs read access to everything and write access to e.g. a var directory |
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| 11:05.59 | Wulf | dagerik: and if any of your scripts use /tmp, make sure to do it in a secure way |
| 11:06.00 | dagerik | Wulf: nginx user is www-data and needs to be able to read static files. but I should chown all php files to the phpfpm user? |
| 11:06.11 | Wulf | NO! |
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| 11:06.53 | nkuttler | your httpd should never be able to rewrite your app.. |
| 11:07.14 | Wulf | neither should the php process |
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| 11:07.34 | dagerik | does the nginx user needs to be able to read php files? |
| 11:07.39 | Wulf | dagerik: no |
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| 11:10.01 | dagerik | I cant seem to find anything on google on how to properly set file permissions with nginx phpfpm |
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| 11:13.09 | ebye | dagerik: if it's just a test app/server, who cares, if it's something critical, obviously you should not be the one doing this |
| 11:13.23 | ebye | dagerik: second, you obviously do not know how to google |
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| 11:20.34 | dinux | User permissions i *the* most important aspect for a *nix system manager |
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| 11:58.35 | MaBunny | hey |
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| 12:07.38 | MaBunny | hey guys |
| 12:07.55 | ByteStorm | how do i remove a directory??? |
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| 12:08.17 | ByteStorm | i mean i hav permission to access it |
| 12:08.38 | ByteStorm | but how to remove....which command is used to remove/delete a directory??? |
| 12:08.43 | inch | rmdir |
| 12:08.51 | ebye | rm -r |
| 12:08.56 | ByteStorm | ok thnx |
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| 12:10.03 | ByteStorm | ok its done |
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| 12:12.42 | ByteStorm | is there any folder called lost+found associated with ext4 filesystem??? |
| 12:13.21 | babilen | There is |
| 12:13.52 | ByteStorm | cool thn |
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| 12:23.11 | Dan39 | guys, jigdo sucks. maybe software should be mature before using it for something like this. :| what a PITA trying to start a download with jigdo was between the gui telling me it's still in development and doesnt support .jigdo files and the mirrors not working.. :\ |
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| 12:35.00 | ByteStorm | hey guys im installing debian on my friends computer |
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| 12:35.27 | Wulf | ByteStorm: does (s)he know? |
| 12:35.46 | ByteStorm | yeah |
| 12:36.06 | ByteStorm | so i dont hav net on in his system |
| 12:36.24 | ByteStorm | im going to install the base system only |
| 12:36.58 | ByteStorm | is there a way to install a GUI system (most probabaly Gnome) on his system from the terminal?? |
| 12:37.13 | darxmurf | is there there a serious thing to replace GIMP ? this software is really a joke Oo |
| 12:37.42 | _aeris_ | ByteStorm > no problem, just use apt/apt-get to install packages from term |
| 12:38.04 | ByteStorm | ok whats the Gnome gui's name?? i mean package name?? |
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| 12:38.57 | Wulf | darxmurf: inkscape? |
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| 12:39.21 | ByteStorm | inkscape is a vector graphics system |
| 12:39.37 | Stummi | ByteStorm, gnome-desktop, iirc |
| 12:40.10 | Stummi | darxmurf, depends on the requirements you have towards a graphic application |
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| 12:41.33 | themill | darxmurf: a lot people use gimp for a lot of serious work. Asking your question that way is not going to get useful answers. Perhaps ask your real question? Or actually state the particular feature you miss? |
| 12:42.00 | ByteStorm | thnx Stummi |
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| 12:42.49 | Stummi | themill, well, I don't think the problem with GIMP is *missing* features ;) |
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| 12:43.40 | Stummi | to be fair, the UX of gimp is kinda bad, especially for beginners |
| 12:43.54 | themill | every powerful program in existence is |
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| 12:45.11 | Stummi | themill, I am not a graphics guy, but from what I hear from other people, Adobe Photoshop seems to have done a good work on putting a lot of features into an actual user-friendly UI. So its not a impossible task at least |
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| 12:45.22 | dinux | I've heard stories from people working with Autodesk Maya, can take yars be |
| 12:45.54 | themill | Stummi: that's the experience of people who have learnt to use it over years, not people who are looking at a graphics program for the first time |
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| 12:46.21 | _aeris_ | ByteStorm > gnome package is gnome :D |
| 12:46.51 | ByteStorm | ok |
| 12:46.56 | ByteStorm | will try both |
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| 12:47.42 | _aeris_ | themill & ByteStorm > there is no gnome-desktop package |
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| 12:48.04 | ByteStorm | ok |
| 12:48.06 | darxmurf | themill: well, the problem is that I have been using photoshop on windows for the last 10 years... at work I'm running everything under linux and when I need to edit something with gimp I feel like using a playskool tool :x |
| 12:48.07 | ByteStorm | just gnome |
| 12:48.08 | _aeris_ | i have a question, but donât know if iâm in the good chan |
| 12:48.18 | darxmurf | Will do what I need at home with photoshop then :D |
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| 12:48.28 | naptastic | I have memtest86+ installed on two Debian Sid systems. When I select memtest86+ (or the experimental multiboot) from the GRUB menu, the menu clears (so it's showing the splash screen) but nothing else happens. |
| 12:48.30 | _aeris_ | i try to build custom image for pine and raspi (and eventually virtualbox and olimex) |
| 12:48.37 | naptastic | Am I doing something wrong, or is something broken? |
| 12:49.10 | _aeris_ | i use debootstrap to create a minimal rootfs system, then i need to run inside this rootfs some script to finish configuration |
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| 12:49.26 | _aeris_ | with simple script, no problem, chroot or systemd-spawn works |
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| 12:49.53 | _aeris_ | but for complex scripts, calling service/systemctl, failure or no reproductible |
| 12:50.23 | _aeris_ | is there a clean way to run such script ? |
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| 12:51.20 | _aeris_ | after some debug, seems most of my trouble come from systemd, no way to start service cleanly from a simple chroot |
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| 12:54.41 | greycat | OK, this "stable" firefox-esr package in jessie has decided, at this moment, that it will not let me click TABS that are already open in precisely ONE of my windows. They work fine in the other windows. I can right-click a tab to MOVE it to a new window of its own, but now I can't move it BACK to the original window. |
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| 12:55.57 | greycat | I can click the < and > signs next to the tabs to scroll the bar-full-of-tabs back and forth, so I can see what the should be, but I cannot select any of them for viewing, except by moving it to a new window, as previously mantioned. The + to open a new tab in that window also fails. But I can open new tabs in OTHER windows. |
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| 12:58.30 | none_ | hello |
| 12:59.12 | none_ | someone know how to send data (keycode) directly to the /dev/input/event0 (keyboard) |
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| 12:59.34 | none_ | I have a usb pcap from a keyboard |
| 12:59.48 | none_ | And I want to replay |
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| 13:00.27 | greycat | *sigh* fuck it, just restart firefox yet again, because they'd rather crank up the version number higher and higher than actually fix bugs |
| 13:01.07 | greycat | I could swear I've seen this exact problem in the past, too, but damned if I can figure out what magic words to type into google to find reports of it, if there are any. |
| 13:01.25 | dinux | none_, I suggest a C program which writes to event0 |
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| 13:01.46 | none_ | no simple bash option ? |
| 13:02.01 | greycat | Yes, after restarting Firefox, I can click on tabs in BOTH windows instead of just one window. |
| 13:02.29 | dinux | none_, don't think bash is capable of generating virtual keycodes |
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| 13:03.11 | none_ | like echo -ne "\x00\x00\x00\x38\x00\x00\x00\x00" > /dev/pts/0 |
| 13:03.19 | none_ | but fait on event0 |
| 13:04.04 | none_ | pts take regular ascii but I want to replay keycode (not ascii) |
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| 13:05.19 | dinux | keycodes are usually translated, bash can't do that afaik |
| 13:05.45 | greycat | The question isn't whether "bash" can do something, but whether any program AT ALL can do it. |
| 13:06.39 | greycat | If you can do it in C *WITHOUT* calling ioctl() -- just by writing to a device file -- then you can do it bash too. |
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| 13:08.00 | greycat | I know nothing about working at the raw kernel/keyboard or at the X11 level, but if you're trying to simulate terminal input (NOT just fake it by writing OUTPUT to a terminal), you need to do it in C and call a TIOCSTI ioctl() function at some point. Can't just write to a device file. |
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| 13:08.44 | none_ | okey thanks |
| 13:09.27 | greycat | (And most people wouldn't bother learning about TIOCSTI just for faking terminal input. They'd simply learn screen or tmux instead, and use the screen/tmux commands to send fake input to the pseudoterminal.) |
| 13:09.27 | dinux | greycat, I suspect you'll need specific kbd functions like loadkeys etc. |
| 13:09.45 | dinux | Can't do all of that in bash (not 100% sure) |
| 13:09.51 | greycat | It would help if we knew what he's actually trying to accomplish. |
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| 13:11.54 | dinux | replay attack? :-) |
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| 13:18.31 | ByteStorm | guys do you kno what command is used to deny outbound traffic??? |
| 13:18.38 | greycat | usually iptables |
| 13:19.12 | Wulf | ByteStorm: iptables -t raw -I OUTPUT -j DROP |
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| 13:19.58 | greycat | let me guess... "how do I undo it when I can't login any more" |
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| 13:20.29 | jelly | console access ftw |
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| 13:22.42 | Wulf | it should be possible to remove the rule again on the running connection |
| 13:22.46 | ByteStorm | guys do you kno what command is used to deny outbound traffic??? |
| 13:22.54 | ByteStorm | srry my net is crappy now |
| 13:23.00 | Wulf | ByteStorm: iptables -t raw -I OUTPUT -j DROP |
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| 13:23.21 | greycat | ByteStorm: You *really* don't want to do that. |
| 13:23.43 | dinux | And then there was silence... |
| 13:24.07 | dinux | You can't just drop all outgoing traffic |
| 13:24.13 | ByteStorm | yeah its crappy |
| 13:24.17 | Wulf | dinux: why not? |
| 13:24.33 | jelly | well, you can. But then two-way protocols stop working |
| 13:24.34 | dinux | Unless he's using a floating outgoing ip |
| 13:24.40 | ByteStorm | Wulf i just wanna stop some *spooky outbound traffic |
| 13:24.53 | Wulf | add -m spooky |
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| 13:24.57 | greycat | If you want to stop only SOME outbound traffic, not ALL of it, then you need a more specific command. |
| 13:24.58 | dinux | l0lz |
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| 13:25.10 | ByteStorm | im on wireshark too and its showing some addresses tht are taking bits n bytes from my system |
| 13:25.15 | somiaj | ByteStorm: what is creating this outbound traffic? Why not control that? |
| 13:25.34 | ByteStorm | idk how to pls help me |
| 13:25.53 | ByteStorm | i hav blocked the inbound in apf but dont kno how to use iptables |
| 13:25.56 | greycat | bets $0.01 on "it's one of his NTP servers" |
| 13:26.04 | somiaj | ByteStorm: identify what on your system is creating said trafic. |
| 13:26.10 | ByteStorm | ok |
| 13:26.22 | somiaj | ByteStorm: i.e. you really shouldn't have a service running creating trafic you don't want. |
| 13:26.29 | jelly | ss -tupan |
| 13:26.32 | ByteStorm | caliu.cat |
| 13:26.34 | ByteStorm | this is one |
| 13:26.40 | ByteStorm | source: Neelz |
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| 13:26.45 | dinux | great |
| 13:26.49 | ByteStorm | destination: caliu.cat |
| 13:26.59 | ByteStorm | all of this in wireshark |
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| 13:27.04 | greycat | what *ports* are involved? |
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| 13:27.11 | ByteStorm | amm |
| 13:27.12 | Wulf | http://ftp.caliu.cat/pub/distribucions/ubuntu/archive/ looks very spooky to me. |
| 13:27.14 | ByteStorm | wait |
| 13:27.28 | ByteStorm | idk but i dont waqnt it |
| 13:27.36 | somiaj | ByteStorm: so this isn't your system, but something on your wireless network you want to control? |
| 13:27.38 | dinux | Wulf, you don't want that one ^^ |
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| 13:27.56 | ByteStorm | yeah |
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| 13:28.13 | greycat | *facepalm* |
| 13:28.13 | somiaj | ByteStorm: is this just your machine or other machines on your network you are trying to control? |
| 13:28.33 | ByteStorm | no only one machine |
| 13:28.56 | ByteStorm | source port: 43830 |
| 13:29.10 | ByteStorm | destination port: http |
| 13:29.11 | somiaj | ByteStorm: so what is requesting that site, you shouldn't have stuff running on your machine that is connecting to random sites. |
| 13:29.23 | somiaj | ByteStorm: also are y ou running debian or ubuntu? |
| 13:29.23 | greycat | OH MY GOD SOME MACHINE ON MY NETWORK IS SURFING THE WEB |
| 13:29.23 | ByteStorm | yeah |
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| 13:29.44 | ByteStorm | debian!!!!! |
| 13:29.54 | ByteStorm | ok |
| 13:30.02 | Wulf | ByteStorm: grep -r caliu /etc |
| 13:30.03 | greycat | ByteStorm: what is running on the machine that's actually generating the traffic? |
| 13:30.06 | Wulf | ByteStorm: what does that show? |
| 13:30.38 | ByteStorm | wait |
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| 13:32.45 | ByteStorm | http://paste.debian.net/739113/ |
| 13:33.02 | TehRabbitt | for some reason using instaler disk 8.5.0, I can't install debian using netinst. |
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| 13:33.29 | TehRabbitt | I can ping things such as 4.2.2.1, google, and even internal servers no issue. |
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| 13:34.56 | TehRabbitt | the warning logged in syslog is: "Warning: Mirror does not support the specified release (Jessie) |
| 13:35.08 | greycat | choose a different mirror, then |
| 13:35.09 | woshty | I am having issues with nvidia-legacy and 4.5 kernel - both from backports. What is the latest kernel that will work with nvidia-legacy? |
| 13:35.21 | TehRabbitt | greycat, i've tried 5 so far. |
| 13:35.21 | rgr | vlc, smplayer both refuse to play any dvd properly auto advancing though the menu with no interaction from me. Recommendations for a dvd player on Linux that actually works properly? Nothing special about the DVD at all - standard BBC TV series . works fine on every dvd player in the house and fine on Windows. |
| 13:35.29 | none_ | apt source |
| 13:35.29 | apt | To build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file. Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source. The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`. |
| 13:35.58 | TehRabbitt | it just hangs at 33% 'Scanning the mirror' |
| 13:36.18 | greycat | TehRabbitt: is the sources.list file visible during the installer? If so, can you cat it? What's in it? Does it really say Jessie in mixed case, instead of "jessie" in lower-case? |
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| 13:36.30 | none_ | proxy ? |
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| 13:37.17 | ByteStorm | guys?? |
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| 13:38.02 | greycat | ByteStorm: what OS is installed on the machine that's actually generating the traffic, and why do you want to stop it from reaching this web site? |
| 13:38.13 | mtn | rgr: did you install libdvdcss? |
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| 13:38.20 | ByteStorm | just debian guys |
| 13:38.45 | ByteStorm | and i dont want any spooky websites connecting to my computer |
| 13:38.55 | TehRabbitt | deb cdrom: [Debian GNU/Linux 8.5.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20160604-15:31]/ jessie main |
| 13:39.09 | greycat | TehRabbitt: ignoring the cdrom lines.... |
| 13:39.24 | TehRabbitt | there are none. it's failing at the mirror selection screen |
| 13:39.55 | greycat | Don't know what to tell you then. Maybe do a bare-minimal install without any network mirrors, then reboot, then configure the sources.list by hand. |
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| 13:40.14 | somiaj | woshty: Since you are using legacy drivers I would use the kernel and driver from jessie (not jessie-backports). |
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| 13:43.48 | themill | TehRabbitt: what are you using for dns? Do you need to log on to the local wireless network first or something like that? |
| 13:44.07 | srg | I have debian installed in VirtualBox. I have two network adapters: one is NAT in vbox (using dhcp in debian) and the other is a host-only network in vbox (using static in debian). However, neither one seem to be working, but my `ip addr show` says the have the proper IPs and says UP,LOWER_UP. Any ideas? |
| 13:44.16 | greycat | Ah, probably not a DNS issue, but it *could* be a web proxy issue. |
| 13:44.33 | ByteStorm | guys any help??? |
| 13:45.04 | TehRabbitt | themill, it's a VM, bridged mode, DHCP. it's getting a lease, all the internal stuff works fine. I can even ping "google.com" with no issue. |
| 13:45.11 | greycat | ByteStorm: If the machine GENERATING the traffic is debian, log onto it and find what process is generating it. Then when you learn that it is a web browser, find the human who is using the web browser and ask her to stop. |
| 13:45.29 | ByteStorm | ok |
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| 13:45.49 | greycat | TehRabbitt: does your network use a "transparent" web proxy that you need to authenticate to get through? |
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| 13:45.56 | buu | Mmm |
| 13:45.57 | ByteStorm | how do i find out which process is generating it??? |
| 13:45.59 | TehRabbitt | greycat, I beleive it does. |
| 13:46.12 | TehRabbitt | though i'm being told it shouldn't matter |
| 13:46.39 | themill | TehRabbitt: the normal cause of that error is being served a login form that is not a Release file |
| 13:46.48 | cruncher | srg, i guess your vm is up |
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| 13:46.55 | buu | Does anyone have a moderately clever solution for monitoring network connectivity between two hosts? Specifically recording time and duration of interruptions? |
| 13:47.09 | cruncher | because they would be shown as up even when no vm is running |
| 13:47.32 | cruncher | at least so for the host only adapter |
| 13:47.34 | srg | cruncher: huh? Yeah, I boot up the debian VM, and networking doesn't work. I run `ip addr show` in the VM and it says the interfaces are up and they have the proper addresses, but I have no traffic in or out on either iface |
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| 13:47.53 | srg | I have other VMs that work fine with the same setup |
| 13:47.56 | cruncher | srg, do xyou have some firewall restriction up? |
| 13:47.59 | cruncher | aha |
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| 13:48.11 | srg | I didn't configure a firewall, no |
| 13:48.16 | srg | this is a freshly installed VVM |
| 13:48.18 | srg | VM* |
| 13:48.47 | srg | I'll try restarting virtualbox |
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| 13:49.25 | cruncher | and pinging the host doesnt work either? |
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| 13:49.37 | rgr | mtn: I didnt no. Just did. I'll give it a lash. |
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| 13:50.30 | rgr | nope. just skips through still. |
| 13:50.44 | woshty | somiaj: hmm, guess that should work, but would like to have a newer one (at least 4.1) to have other hardware supported (fan) .. xserver-xorg-nvidia-340xx packages is really annoying, produces kernel error trying to install on 4.5 |
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| 13:53.47 | rgr | sorry, disconnected there. |
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| 13:54.53 | mtn | rgr: did you read the debian wiki on playing dvds? you may be missing other packages, too |
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| 13:57.04 | rgr | hi yeah. just trying. |
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| 13:58.05 | rgr | vld now kind of works - its default was to skip all startup menus. but smplayer still not playing ball and no input codec equivalent that I can see. |
| 13:58.08 | rgr | vlc |
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| 14:01.42 | sharp15 | what is the appropriate way to permanently set kernel module options in debian? |
| 14:02.20 | Wulf | sharp15: I think create file in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 14:02.53 | greycat | That's what I'm seeing too. |
| 14:03.16 | sharp15 | Wulf: thanks. i can do that. i just wasn't sure if debian had its own special method. gentoo likes /etc/conf.d for a lot of things. |
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| 14:06.26 | rgr | correction. vlc has now stopped at the dvd menu but nothing actually works ie no clikc or button presses selects any menu option , sheesh. it worked better 8 years ago :( |
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| 14:17.47 | spleen | Hello, i use a wrapper who request amazon service. I have a problem with amason certificat.. when i do ssldump i can see => "value unknown_ca" |
| 14:17.54 | somiaj | woshty: debian works best when using the offical jessie packages as they have all been tested to work together. Since the lgacy driver is non-free unsure if nvidia is updating them to work on newer kernels. But using only the kernel from jessie will ensure it works. |
| 14:18.06 | spleen | how to get the valid ca certificat of the amazon service ? |
| 14:18.12 | somiaj | woshty: the other option is just update your video card. |
| 14:18.17 | spleen | the ip is 54.239.37.70 |
| 14:18.34 | spleen | on 443(port) |
| 14:19.02 | somiaj | spleen: not sure if this will help, but can curl better see the ca? |
| 14:20.06 | spleen | somiaj, i think openssl is a good way.. but i dont know how to do that |
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| 14:20.23 | spleen | witch format ? wich path ? |
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| 14:20.54 | ChrisH | spleen: openssl s_connect --showcerts (check spelling with man page) |
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| 14:23.05 | spleen | ChrisH, how to export that in certicat path on debian ? |
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| 14:23.43 | spleen | i tried oopenssl s_client -showcerts -connect 54.239.37.70:443 |openssl x509 -text |
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| 14:24.12 | spleen | but there is some stuff that is not in a good format |
| 14:25.38 | greycat | Y'know, adding an SSL certificate that is obtained by typing out a raw IP address and port number using obscure commands... somehow doesn't strike me as the wisest possible move. |
| 14:26.04 | rgr | kmplayer even worse. ack. |
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| 14:26.22 | Dan39 | is the regular or graphical installer preferred? |
| 14:26.49 | greycat | I've been using Debian since the 1990s and I have never, ever used a graphical installer. |
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| 14:26.58 | greycat | I can't see any reason to start. |
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| 14:27.33 | somiaj | greycat: for the most part it is no different than the text based installer. You just have a mouse to click on things, which I thought is nice (I just tested it to see what it is like, prefer the text based myself) |
| 14:27.37 | somiaj | Dan39: ^^ |
| 14:27.39 | Dan39 | if it had more features that woukd ve ab advabtage |
| 14:27.58 | somiaj | Dan39: the only difference is you can 'click' on things instead of use the arrow keys to move though the ncurses menus |
| 14:28.11 | Dan39 | some other distros are developing their guis more than tuis now |
| 14:28.22 | greycat | All the more reason not to use those distributions. |
| 14:28.29 | ChrisH | spleen: copy the parts between BEGIN CERTIFICATE and END CERTIFICATE into file(s) and check their content |
| 14:28.43 | Dan39 | heh |
| 14:28.48 | Dan39 | thanks |
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| 14:30.03 | Dan39 | hmm what extra features does expert install give... |
| 14:30.05 | ChrisH | greycat: all that root certificate stuff is based on <insert reasonable word here>. Sure you have to validate the content and check if its correct. |
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| 14:30.12 | Dan39 | maybe i will have to just try it |
| 14:30.40 | ChrisH | Dan39: I never did an installation withoput using expert installation. D |
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| 14:30.58 | spleen | ChrisH, i find that way to get the certificat => openssl s_client -connect 54.239.37.70:443 2>&1 | sed -ne '/-BEGIN CERTIFICATE-/,/-END CERTIFICATE-/p' >/etc/ssl/certs/ |
| 14:31.08 | greycat | I would only use expert if there's a special circumstance that requires it, like loading firmware in the middle. |
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| 14:31.32 | spleen | can i name that certificat as i want in /etc/ssl/cert ? |
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| 14:31.35 | greycat | or some other thing that I don't have the imagination to imagine |
| 14:32.00 | Dan39 | does the nornal install allow custom partitioning? |
| 14:32.01 | greycat | spleen: you cannot redirect to a directory name |
| 14:32.09 | greycat | Dan39: yes |
| 14:32.17 | Dan39 | awesome |
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| 14:52.50 | woshty | somiaj: It works .. I did not properly blacklist nouveau |
| 14:53.25 | woshty | But the package fails to create a symlink in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers which apparently is needed |
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| 14:54.57 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 14:55.04 | gypsymauro | I've a problem on a legacy squeeze system |
| 14:55.25 | gypsymauro | if I try to update it says: W: Failed to fetch http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 14:55.31 | gypsymauro | but if I wget it it works |
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| 14:56.01 | gypsymauro | any hint? |
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| 14:58.26 | TehRabbitt | where does the xorg file hide on debian? |
| 14:58.36 | TehRabbitt | trying to change the screen resolution to something other than 800x600 heh |
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| 14:58.59 | Iridos | you have to make it |
| 14:59.14 | Iridos | since ... 7 years or so, per default there is none |
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| 14:59.24 | Iridos | Xorg -configure or so |
| 14:59.50 | themill | TehRabbitt: that's normally a sign you need to install a better video driver |
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| 15:00.05 | Hello71 | or really *a* video driver |
| 15:00.07 | TehRabbitt | themill, Virtualbox. |
| 15:00.09 | themill | (or get a monitor made this century) |
| 15:00.20 | Hello71 | then you need to install guest tools. |
| 15:00.22 | greycat | There isn't an xorg.conf file by default. |
| 15:00.29 | greycat | But if you create one, it'll be in /etc/X11/ |
| 15:00.30 | TehRabbitt | Hello71, I did install guest tools |
| 15:00.33 | towo` | vbox even does not need a xorg.conf |
| 15:00.40 | TehRabbitt | still the only options are up to 1024 |
| 15:00.42 | TehRabbitt | which is a tiny window |
| 15:00.51 | TehRabbitt | and only one monitor VBox supports 2 |
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| 15:02.05 | TehRabbitt | ahhhh reboot fixed it |
| 15:02.58 | TehRabbitt | Hmm seamless mode is nice :D |
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| 15:04.57 | spleen | greycat, @all, i founded that concerning my error. but i cant understand (my english is bad) how to solve the problem |
| 15:05.05 | spleen | http://odetodata.com/2015/01/https-certificate-verification-problem-in-python-2-7-9/ |
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| 15:09.02 | woshty | I do not have any symlinks from /usr/lib/nvidia to the proper directories. How are those usually created? |
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| 15:12.51 | Ati_ | hello |
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| 15:13.01 | Ati_ | do anyone knows xfs ? |
| 15:13.09 | Ati_ | i have a big problem |
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| 15:13.50 | towo` | !anyone |
| 15:13.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 15:16.53 | Ati_ | i installed opensuse leap a month ago . it worked well. i wanted to try a new os named KaOS. in my opensuse leap i had 2 partitions sda1 = / ,btrfs and sda2 = /home ,xfs . my sda2 partition had 150 gb free space of 400 GB . i started KaOS live installer and resized my sda2 partition from 400GB to 300GB after the resizing it gaves me some error about resizing. after this the installer was quit. after this i wanted to boot up my opens |
| 15:17.05 | Ati_ | it says cant read superblock |
| 15:17.52 | Ati_ | what can i do to recover my data ? |
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| 15:18.08 | towo` | Ati_, this is a debian channel |
| 15:18.21 | Ati_ | i know but its about xfs and recovery |
| 15:18.24 | towo` | why should we help you with non debian systems? |
| 15:19.00 | towo` | ask in a suse channel |
| 15:19.09 | greycat | !kaos |
| 15:19.09 | dpkg | [kaos] http://www.thekompany.com/ |
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| 15:20.00 | ksk | what is kaos :o |
| 15:20.09 | Iridos | the name of my machine :P |
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| 15:21.27 | ksk | he seems to be a guy with a wide field of knowledge :) |
| 15:22.28 | ChrisH | Ati_: recover from backup |
| 15:22.58 | Ati_ | i can recover only the sda1 i think |
| 15:23.09 | Ati_ | because it has btrfs |
| 15:23.39 | cruncher | Ati_, you surely have a backup |
| 15:24.07 | cruncher | of all your data :) |
| 15:24.26 | Ati_ | no :S |
| 15:24.41 | Ati_ | i thought it cant be happen |
| 15:24.43 | cruncher | well, probably this will teach you to have one :p |
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| 15:24.54 | cruncher | yeah, everybody thinks that until it happens |
| 15:25.20 | Ati_ | so i have no chance to recover ? |
| 15:25.38 | cruncher | this is about debian, we cannot give you advice on how to recover your data on another distro |
| 15:25.58 | TomTomTosch | then why did you start giving him shit? |
| 15:26.58 | cruncher | noboby gave him anything, less even shit |
| 15:27.22 | cruncher | they are telling him since the start to go to a suse channel, or some general advice to recover from backup |
| 15:28.17 | Iridos | then just drop it here? |
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| 15:40.41 | jelly | !flw0 |
| 15:40.42 | dpkg | <wasabi> Gnea, I want no security. |
| 15:40.42 | buu | Does anyone have a moderately clever solution for monitoring network connectivity between two hosts? Specifically recording time and duration of interruptions? |
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| 15:41.29 | GooseYArd | if the hosts have normally continuous chatter, argus might help |
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| 15:42.52 | buu | ohg o |
| 15:43.19 | buu | I need less cleve |
| 15:43.22 | buu | Definitely less clever |
| 15:43.51 | Iridos | ping in a cron job? |
| 15:44.15 | buu | Well, yes |
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| 15:44.28 | buu | Slightly more clever than that |
| 15:44.35 | Iridos | you are hard to please |
| 15:45.02 | buu | I'd like a report that was like "connectivity between 5-6pm, down for 3:30seconds, 0% packet loss during the rest" |
| 15:45.18 | greycat | You'll have to cobble that together based on your ping sampling. |
| 15:45.25 | buu | =[ |
| 15:45.32 | Iridos | typically nagios or so would do that |
| 15:45.37 | greycat | You could conceivably write an rrdtool setup for it, and produce a graph. |
| 15:45.48 | Iridos | from context, you want less clever (or less huge) |
| 15:45.49 | greycat | Your inputs are 0 and 1 so it'll be a rather boring graph. |
| 15:46.13 | Iridos | well, ping times or loss would have more values |
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| 15:46.35 | Iridos | and ganglia would do that for you... but again seems too much |
| 15:47.00 | buu | Yeah I don't really need a graph exactly, just an exact count of when the connection dropped and came back up preferably with the minimum amount of setup required |
| 15:47.25 | greycat | Either use a prewritten tool that monitors this stuff, or write your own. Those are the choices. |
| 15:47.30 | Iridos | log the non-successful pings to a file |
| 15:47.48 | buu | greycat: Well, yes, I'm trying to find a prewritten tool that isn't freaking nagios |
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| 15:49.41 | jelly | mtr isn't smart enough |
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| 15:55.01 | Iridos | maybe "mon"? |
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| 15:56.19 | Iridos | or ethstatus |
| 15:56.27 | Iridos | but maybe you could also just use apt-cache search? |
| 15:57.27 | jelly | easiest way to decide if it's an even or odd day starting from, say, unix epoch (or some other fixed reference point, don't care which)? |
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| 15:57.59 | Iridos | that is even an odd question |
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| 16:00.11 | Iridos | well, leap seconds... do you care about them |
| 16:01.02 | jelly | I have a weird interaction of vpn and my router, after it does the 24hr reconnect vpn dies and doesn't want to be restarted unless I explicitely use a different listener port. I'd like to work around it by alternating two ports. |
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| 16:01.47 | greycat | So not rocket science precision... just has to be close enough. |
| 16:02.24 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ echo $(( $(date +%s) / 86400 )) |
| 16:02.24 | greycat | 16966 |
| 16:02.30 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ echo $(( $(date +%s -d tomorrow) / 86400 )) |
| 16:02.31 | greycat | 16967 |
| 16:02.35 | Iridos | something like calc "mod(int($(date +%s)/3600/24),2)" |
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| 16:02.39 | jelly | I considered something like $(( $(date +%s) / 86400 mod 2 )) but I don't know how to mod |
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| 16:02.46 | greycat | % 2 |
| 16:02.46 | dselect | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 16:02.58 | Iridos | ho hoh |
| 16:03.00 | jelly | dselect: be quiet |
| 16:03.00 | dselect | Ah, shuddup. |
| 16:03.01 | greycat | dselect: who are you and why are you responding to % |
| 16:03.29 | jelly | she's a standbly dpkg bot clone that doesn't have a horribly outdated factoid db |
| 16:03.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | no, it's definitely 2, and not '2' nor TO. |
| 16:03.37 | Iridos | there's a whole zoo of bots called after package managing programs :) |
| 16:03.39 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ echo $(( ($(date +%s) / 86400) % 2 )) |
| 16:03.39 | greycat | 0 |
| 16:03.44 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ echo $(( ($(date +%s -d tomorrow) / 86400) % 2 )) |
| 16:03.44 | greycat | 1 |
| 16:03.45 | jelly | greycat: bash? |
| 16:03.58 | greycat | Well, that's straight posix sh. |
| 16:04.07 | greycat | except for the +%s which is a GNU date extension. |
| 16:04.38 | greycat | Since this is #debian I figured assuming GNU date is safe. |
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| 16:05.19 | jelly | oh, I had a typo. |
| 16:05.36 | jelly | alright, that seems to work |
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| 16:06.09 | jelly | plugs the horrid thing into /etc/default/obscure-vpn-name-withheld |
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| 16:07.01 | greycat | I'd avoid running it right at midnight. Otherwise it should be fine. |
| 16:07.29 | Iridos | ha. it's cursed. |
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| 16:09.46 | Iridos | should be about 10ish leap seconds? |
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| 16:10.08 | Iridos | summertime is a lot worse |
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| 16:11.21 | jelly | noone cares about leap seconds except djb :-| |
| 16:11.35 | greycat | (Well, midnight UTC is the time to avoid, not midnight local time.) |
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| 16:13.31 | Iridos | I ran into something even worse lately... seems gnuplot doesn't count epoch since 1970, but since... 2000 |
| 16:13.58 | Iridos | but... err... only internally, it reads them as normal utc epoch from a file |
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| 16:19.49 | Akuw | hi, i got a security update warning about php5, i have 5.6.20+dfsg-0+deb8 all the recomend to get 5.6.22+dfsg-0+deb8u1, but when i use sudo apt-get install --only-upgrade php5 i got php5 is already the newest version. |
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| 16:22.09 | Aleksej_Rus | Akuw: What's your apt-cache policy output? |
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| 16:33.44 | jelly | dpkg, tell Akuw about basic apt troubleshooting |
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| 16:35.54 | de-facto | how can i FORCE apt/dpkg to replace a deleted config file? |
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| 16:37.03 | afernandez_ | delete purge thein apt-get install |
| 16:38.01 | blind | Have you tried --force-confnew or does that not work for deleted files? |
| 16:38.34 | de-facto | hmm cant i just install it over again forcing apt to replace deleted configs? i opted false for config conflicts once and trying to fix that now, hence i went ahead and deleted the config |
| 16:38.58 | de-facto | yes i have a backup, but i want apt to deploy the upstream version so i can diff |
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| 16:39.28 | equillibrium | where can i edit the keyboard shortcuts on a debian xfce based system? |
| 16:39.49 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: reinstall the package with apt-get --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install package. |
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| 16:40.08 | de-facto | yes i have tried "sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstall libapache2-mod-php" then "sudo dpkg-reconfigure libapache2-mod-php5" then "dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/libapache2-mod-php5_5.6.22+dfsg-0+deb8u1_amd64.deb" |
| 16:40.25 | de-facto | i always get "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini" |
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| 16:41.26 | Aleksej_Rus | Well, you can always use dpkg -x to extract the package somewhere... |
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| 16:42.10 | de-facto | yeah sure, i also can purge and reinstall, but i want to learn how to tell apt/dpkg to fix this |
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| 16:44.29 | Aleksej_Rus | It's DPkg::options, not DPkg::Options. |
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| 16:52.28 | jmd | So installing debian I'm having trouble with disk partitioning. |
| 16:52.45 | jmd | How do I set the boot partition to ext2 ? |
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| 16:54.40 | greycat | arrow down to it, press enter, arrow down again, press enter, arrow down again, press enter, etc. |
| 16:55.20 | jmd | greycat: The sencond downarrow puts the cursor on a blank line. |
| 16:55.42 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus hmm lovercase options also wont replace it |
| 16:56.10 | greycat | I don't have an installer in front of me to look at to see exactly how many times you press the arrow in each step. |
| 16:56.32 | greycat | You want to select the partition/format-type line, then select "change" or whatever, then select "ext2". |
| 16:56.35 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: After looking closely, this package uses UCF to manage configuration files. Therefor dpkg switch won't work, use `UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=1 apt-get --reinstall install libapache2-mod-php5'. |
| 16:57.27 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus yay "sudo UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=1 apt-get --reinstall install libapache2-mod-php5" seems to does the job |
| 16:57.36 | jmd | greycat: There is no such line. The available options are "Use as", "Bootable flag" "Erase data on this partition" "Delete this partition" and "Done setting up the partition". |
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| 16:58.28 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus thanks that worked, so how did you find out that this package uses UCF? |
| 16:58.35 | greycat | And "use as" didn't work? |
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| 16:59.36 | jmd | The only options under "Use as" are "swap area", "physical volume for encryption" and "do not use the partition". |
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| 16:59.57 | jmd | I want a plain ext2 volume. |
| 17:00.18 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: Looked through its' postinst script. |
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| 17:01.27 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: It also depends on ucf. |
| 17:01.33 | greycat | jmd: OK, then I'm guessing it has something to do with encryption, which I have never used, so I can't help much : ( |
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| 17:02.01 | jmd | Neither have I. So how do I NOT use encyption? |
| 17:02.43 | TomTomTosch | jmd: in the installer, the first thing before partition is the partition methode selection. |
| 17:02.57 | TomTomTosch | Guided - use entire disk is probably what you want. |
| 17:03.17 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus very interessting, i learned quite something from this, thank you a lot :) |
| 17:03.25 | jmd | TomTomTosch: I don't remember such an option. I will try "Go Back" and try again. |
| 17:03.53 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: You're welcome :) |
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| 17:04.57 | TomTomTosch | no need. guided partitioning is also the first option in the partition manager. |
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| 17:05.46 | jmd | TomTomTosch: Ok. You are right. (I thought that was what I tried the first time). |
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| 17:08.34 | TomTomTosch | if you then change the partitions to add a boot partition you should be able to select ext2 under 'Use as:' |
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| 17:09.51 | jmd | Actually, now I have "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in ..... at / failed". So I think I need to change it to ext2 |
| 17:10.45 | jmd | ... but again, ext2 is not an option under "Use as" |
| 17:10.51 | TomTomTosch | in the error console while using the partition manager? |
| 17:11.02 | jmd | Yes. |
| 17:11.04 | greycat | Nothing should be mounting yet. |
| 17:11.14 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus do you know of any way this can be automated on updates? i get the diff everytime because i needed to raise "post_max_size = 32M" and "upload_max_filesize = 32M". can i place a script somewhere with some sed -i 's/old/new/" or such? |
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| 17:11.38 | TomTomTosch | which release is that? how did you put the image onto the installation medium? |
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| 17:13.09 | jmd | dd and I think its debian 8 |
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| 17:13.37 | TomTomTosch | no idea what's going on. sry. |
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| 17:16.27 | Anthro | I am installing on what used to be a Windows laptop, and I want to move some stuff off before I install over it. I've managed to get the ntfs partition mounted, and now I want to mount an NFS share where I want to move the files. There is no /sbin/mount.nfs, though. Any idea how to get this working? |
| 17:17.20 | dTal | Sounds like you're doing this from inside a running Linux system |
| 17:17.23 | greycat | From the installer? Um... maybe it just can't do that. Maybe try from a live system. |
| 17:17.41 | dTal | can't you apt-get stuff in the installer? |
| 17:17.43 | bobe | Anthro, you might need to install nfs-common |
| 17:17.52 | Anthro | Nope, no apt-get or even dpkg. |
| 17:18.06 | greycat | He also said "before I install over it". |
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| 17:18.14 | greycat | So he doesn't have a Debian system yet. |
| 17:18.17 | Anthro | Right |
| 17:18.44 | Anthro | At worst, I can install on one partition and leave the other alone, but I was hoping for fewer steps. |
| 17:19.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | sudo apt-get install nfs-common |
| 17:19.18 | dTal | I would just use a LiveCD, or install NFS in windows, or use some other solution than NFS |
| 17:19.24 | greycat | Either boot a live system, or move the data from within Windows. |
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| 17:19.42 | Anthro | All right, thanks. It was worth checking if I was just missing some easy way to do it. |
| 17:20.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | ah, no apt-get, gotcha. |
| 17:21.49 | dTal | the installer must have tools to unpack .debs, that's its function |
| 17:22.14 | dTal | you must be able to fetch the nfs-common package and get the files in it *somehow* |
| 17:24.57 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: You need ucf to always keep the old file, right? |
| 17:24.59 | dTal | Hah I love the NeuroDebian logo |
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| 17:25.51 | Anthro | Workaround: tar cpf - ... | ssh dd of=/dest/files.tar |
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| 17:27.14 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus well that depends, id like to get upstream changes for the config, but i always have to raise those two upload limits manually |
| 17:27.51 | de-facto | so i take the new upstream version and modify it for those two values |
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| 17:29.13 | NicoHood | I read that ubuntu does only support some of the repositories (main) with security updates. Does this also apply to debian? Or does debian get fixes on all software, but it may be older than the ubuntu software (less features/more other bugs)? |
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| 17:30.15 | greycat | All packages in Debian stable are supported by the security team and will receive updates when they are available. |
| 17:30.24 | greycat | Security updates, that is. |
| 17:30.59 | Aleksej_Rus | NicoHood: They both support "only" main, but Debian has almost all software in main, while Ubuntu has most of available software in universe, which is not officially supported. |
| 17:31.06 | greycat | Other (non-security) updates may happen during a point release (e.g. Debian 8.5) at the discretion of the release manager. |
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| 17:32.10 | NicoHood | those security bugs of universe repo made me think to use arch instead then. but i am not sure about stability though. or maybe other, newer bugs |
| 17:32.25 | jmd | I do think that the debian installer has got a lot of things "backward" |
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| 17:35.12 | NicoHood | backward? |
| 17:36.18 | jmd | NicoHood: Like for example adding users should the last thing. So should choosing the locale. |
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| 17:37.26 | TomTomTosch | how is that a problem? |
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| 17:39.24 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: Well, there is a possibility to run a command after every dpkg invocation. It may be a script, which checks if it needs to change the conffile. A more clever solution is to create a tiny package (with equivs or smth) and register a trigger. The former is simple, the latter - not so much :) |
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| 17:39.40 | jmd | TomTomTosch: It's not a big problem. Just annoying. |
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| 17:40.25 | jmd | Also, if you select "US English" as the keyboard layout, you cannot select any time zone except US ones! |
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| 17:40.57 | jelly | jmd: that sounds completely silly |
| 17:41.03 | TomTomTosch | you can. it only shows the US ones in the first tab for convenience. |
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| 17:43.38 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus hmm that sounds interessting, but running a command after every dpkg seems a bit of an overkill, i guess i need to read into those triggers (which i guess can target only changes to php5 or such), correct? |
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| 17:46.55 | jmd | TomTomTosch: You mean "for inconvenience" |
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| 17:47.31 | TomTomTosch | yours maybe, not most users. it's not that hard having to navigate the menu. |
| 17:48.09 | TomTomTosch | or exactly the work you'd have to do if it weren't sorted. maybe one click more. |
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| 17:48.15 | jmd | As for insisting on a non-root user being added, that is just absurd. |
| 17:48.37 | jmd | I always have to add a dummy one and delete it afterwards. |
| 17:49.20 | TomTomTosch | i think it's absurd to only have a root user. but meh... |
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| 17:50.03 | jmd | Perhaps. But adding users is not a job to be done at install time. |
| 17:50.10 | GooseYArd | precisely |
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| 17:50.40 | TomTomTosch | the installer can't optimise for every usecase. if it's bothering you so much you can read into preseeding and have it done automatically. |
| 17:51.55 | jmd | Well right now I want to get it working (any old how). I'm just getting fed up having to type in for the umpteenth time lots of trivial information. |
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| 17:52.53 | TomTomTosch | this might be interesting to you: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apds03.html.en |
| 17:53.08 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: Yeah, triggers can be activated everytime a package modifies smth under a certain path. See /usr/share/doc/dpkg-dev/triggers.txt.gz. |
| 17:53.25 | TomTomTosch | if you don't get the partitioning tool in the installer to work i mean. |
| 17:55.15 | jmd | TomTomTosch: Well I'm not on amd64 but I'll read it anyway, thanks. |
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| 17:55.47 | TomTomTosch | you can switch to the arch of your choice. |
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| 17:56.17 | TomTomTosch | just change it in the url |
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| 17:58.38 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus thas pretty clever :) so i would need to config dpkg to always overwrite the config with the upstream version and bake a package that triggers on php5 to modify the updated configs to my needs? |
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| 17:59.32 | TheQuestionmark | Got an issue that I can't do any apt-get build-dep because apt tells me there are broken packages that were hold back as well. What can I do to fix this? [/jessie] |
| 18:00.23 | de-facto | TheQuestionmark "sudo apt-get -f install" maybe? |
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| 18:02.28 | TheQuestionmark | de-facto: Huh... tried to fix my source.list.d/ also and see that it wants to upgrade like 1860 packages now? What? I didn't set anything to make Debian think I'd like to upgrade to testing |
| 18:04.03 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: Right, you'll need to modify /etc/ucf.conf and bake a package. I don't know how to make an exclusion for ucf for this one package, though. Maybe unregistering the conffile with ucfr will help... Need to investigate this further. |
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| 18:05.08 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: Modifying global conffile handling is too much to me. Maybe there is a way to do this for libapache2-mod-php5 only... |
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| 18:06.13 | TheQuestionmark | de-facto: Okay, obviously these 1860 packages came from the SteamOS repo, now I try to do apt-get -f install again and it says nothing but 7 packages weren't upgraded. |
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| 18:06.57 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus thanks for those hints i need to read further into those triggers |
| 18:07.23 | jmd | Any idea why mount -t ext2 /dev/sda5 /mnt always insists "No such file or device" ? |
| 18:07.37 | TheQuestionmark | Just to make things sure, I'm no newb at Linux but apt went amok on me twice already. |
| 18:07.54 | TheQuestionmark | And now I'm simply confused. |
| 18:07.57 | greycat | I would assume it's because /dev/sda5 is not recognized by your kernel. |
| 18:08.10 | greycat | Try "lsblk" or similar to see what devices are known. |
| 18:08.24 | jmd | greycat: mke2fs /dev/sda5 works fine. |
| 18:08.41 | jmd | lsblk: not found |
| 18:08.51 | greycat | ... you're still not in Debian, are you. |
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| 18:09.04 | jmd | In the installer. |
| 18:09.32 | greycat | This is insane. Why are you doing this manually? |
| 18:09.49 | linuxthefish | hi, what package provides the phpenmod command for apache? i tried to apt-cache search it but noluck |
| 18:09.51 | jmd | because it doing it automatically fails. |
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| 18:10.33 | de-facto | TheQuestionmark i guess you need to investigate on those 7 packages further. im not too competent with those but maybe you can "aptitude why-not <package>" or such? |
| 18:10.47 | penrod | greetings: fresh install of Debian Jessie, "invalid arch-independent ELF magic", what does that mean ? |
| 18:11.31 | jelly | jmd: mount also returns that exit status if it's missing kernel support for a filesystem type, IIRC |
| 18:11.53 | jelly | jmd: so verify ext2 kernel module is loaded |
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| 18:12.42 | jmd | jelly: That's probably the reason. I thought ext2 was in the kernel itself. Not as a module. |
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| 18:13.18 | jelly | jmd: ext4.ko now (well, in jessie kernel) manages all of ext{2,3,4} |
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| 18:14.13 | jelly | jmd: which architecture is this if not amd64? |
| 18:14.21 | jmd | mips |
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| 18:15.03 | jelly | jmd: are you sure your device is actually supported by jessie debian-installer? |
| 18:15.16 | TheQuestionmark | de-facto: Well, libegl1-mesa for one says it depends on libc6 (>= 2.14) which is already a sign to me things are really messed up |
| 18:15.28 | jelly | !mips |
| 18:15.28 | dpkg | MIPS is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIPS_architecture). Debian's MIPS port consists of two ports (debian-mips and debian-mipsel) differing in binary endianness. See http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ for more information, supported machines and related links. See also <install guide>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mips/ http://www.linux-mips.org/ #mipslinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:15.38 | jelly | bah. |
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| 18:15.49 | jelly | ignore that |
| 18:16.14 | TomTomTosch | you tried the instructions in the link i sent you from inside the debian installer? |
| 18:16.26 | de-facto | TheQuestionmark well what have you done directly prior to those problems occuring? |
| 18:16.51 | jmd | TomTomTosch: Yes. Did you read the instructions that you sent me? and what I posted when I tried them? |
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| 18:17.36 | TheQuestionmark | de-facto: Wish I still knew that... :/ Yea, my mind is lossy when it comes to package mangement. |
| 18:17.45 | TomTomTosch | yes, the very first sentence being "This section explains how to install Debian GNU/Linux from an existing Unix or Linux system," |
| 18:17.57 | TheQuestionmark | de-facto: Can tell you tho that my system uses Debian-Multimedia and SteamOS repos. |
| 18:18.11 | TheQuestionmark | Or rather, it did use those. |
| 18:18.45 | jmd | TomTomTosch: Uh huh. And did you see further down where it says to type "mke2fs -j /dev/sda6" ?? |
| 18:19.02 | TomTomTosch | i just asume you have a way to run a functioning linux system an that machine. an old installation or a live system. |
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| 18:19.26 | jelly | jmd: which specific device is this? |
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| 18:19.46 | jmd | Its a Lemote Yeeloong |
| 18:19.49 | greycat | jmd: mke2fs doesn't require the kernel's file system support. Mounting does. |
| 18:19.54 | de-facto | TheQuestionmark hmm did you change /etc/apt/sources.list and some of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ? |
| 18:20.23 | jmd | greycat: Yes. I think your're right. |
| 18:20.38 | jmd | So now I need to find a ext2.ko for mips. |
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| 18:20.55 | TheQuestionmark | de-facto: Only to match Jessie as a release. |
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| 18:21.04 | jelly | jmd: it's ext4.ko, the same module you need to get ext4 running |
| 18:21.11 | TheQuestionmark | de-facto: Oh, I also use backports. |
| 18:21.17 | jelly | jmd: would https://wiki.debian.org/DebianYeeloong/HowTo/Install be of any help? |
| 18:21.27 | de-facto | TheQuestionmark maybe a look into "cat /var/log/apt/history.log" can shed some light into what you have done? |
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| 18:21.59 | jmd | jelly: It has helped somewhat, but doesn't explain how to get around this particular problem. |
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| 18:22.50 | jmd | Where can I get a ext4.ko for mips? |
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| 18:23.04 | jelly | it ought to be present in d-i |
| 18:23.50 | jelly | jmd: stupid question, are you sure your system is supposed to use "mips" arch and not "mipsel"? |
| 18:24.46 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: After some reading, looks like there is a way to make ucf always overwrite one specific conffile. It's a hack though. |
| 18:25.02 | TheQuestionmark | de-facto: Can I post a pastebin to let you look over it? Possibly you find a package that could curse the trouble. |
| 18:25.21 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: If you're interested, I can explain. |
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| 18:25.59 | jelly | jmd: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/kernel/linux-image-loongson-2f suggests it's actually mipsel |
| 18:26.30 | jmd | No. I have just checked. There is no ext4.ko in the installer. |
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| 18:27.38 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus yeah id like to learn more about those, do you have a link? |
| 18:27.40 | TheQuestionmark | de-facto: https://paste.debian.net/739220/ |
| 18:28.13 | TheQuestionmark | To be honest, I don't see anything odd. |
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| 18:29.14 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: I only read the manpages carefully. |
| 18:30.24 | de-facto | TheQuestionmark me neither, if i was in your place id try to investigate on those 7 pkgs more (and their depencencies, origin and such= |
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| 18:31.02 | jelly | jmd: you're using debian-8.5.0-mipsel-netinst.iso right? |
| 18:31.05 | TheQuestionmark | de-facto: Might take a while in my case but thanks for your help so far. |
| 18:31.29 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus so that would be telling ucf to always overwrite any configs with the upstream version? |
| 18:32.01 | jmd | jelly: No. According to that link you posted earlier. that is not bootable. |
| 18:32.22 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: There is such option, but there seems to be a way to do that only to a specified one. |
| 18:32.28 | jelly | jmd: which installer image are you using, then? |
| 18:33.24 | jmd | jelly: I'm following the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/DebianYeeloong/HowTo/Install |
| 18:33.35 | jmd | under USB stick |
| 18:34.11 | jmd | Note the sentance "The wheezy cdimage media (CD, DVD) for mipsel are *not* bootable, and do not contain d-i at all." |
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| 18:35.07 | npo | How can I temporarily disable pulseaudio? |
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| 18:35.39 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus you mean form "man ucf" right? |
| 18:36.07 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: Yeah, mostly. |
| 18:36.09 | greycat | jmd: might be worth investigating whether that's still true in jessie. |
| 18:36.16 | greycat | knows nothin' about mips |
| 18:36.39 | jmd | greycat: ok. Which intaller would you recommend? |
| 18:36.46 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Since upgrading to LibreOffice 5.x from backports on Jessie, new documents don't automatically have a language selected so spell-checking as I type doesn't work until I manually select a language. Also, spell checking in Calc documents does not work at all. How might I fix these issues or are they LibO-specific? |
| 18:36.52 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: UCF uses md5sums to determine if a user has modified the conffile. One may fool UCF by providing an md5sum of an already modified file, so that UCF doesn't notice. |
| 18:36.55 | mtn | npo: I think it is pulseaudio -k |
| 18:36.58 | jelly | jmd: they don't say anything about jessie d-i, tho. |
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| 18:37.20 | mtn | npo: I hear using "man pulseaudio" might be useful, too |
| 18:37.25 | npo | mtn: thanks :PPP |
| 18:37.32 | greycat | jmd: if someone handed me a box and said "This is mips. Put Debian on it." I would have to start from ground up, find the mips install guide, and read it. |
| 18:38.49 | jmd | greycat: Yep. Done that. In the guide it says I can ask for help on #debian. |
| 18:38.57 | jelly | jmd: given that you have an unusual device and arch, you may get better support in #debian-mips on irc.oftc.net; they probably have better clues on how to get kernel .udeb (with all the drivers) accessible from within d-i |
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| 18:39.15 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: In order to do that the trigger should first modify the conffile and then create $destination.md5sum.d/default with the new md5sum. $destination is a real conffile template location, like /usr/share/php5/php.ini-production. |
| 18:39.20 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus yeah but that would mean other upstream changes to config files arent applied then. id rather have it overwrite without questions and then bake a package with sed -i 's/old/new/g' /path/to/php.ini which triggers on php changes |
| 18:39.22 | jmd | I had hoped the answers there would not have been limited to RTFM |
| 18:39.39 | jelly | welcome to non-x86 world, jmd |
| 18:39.40 | npo | why does pulseaudio keep starting back up after I kill it? |
| 18:40.00 | greycat | npo: did you kill it with "kill" or with "systemctl stop"? |
| 18:40.06 | jmd | ok I'll try #debian-mips |
| 18:40.07 | npo | greycat: pulsaudio --kill |
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| 18:40.51 | greycat | If it's managed by systemd, then systemd probably respawns it whenever it dies. |
| 18:41.09 | npo | greycat: I've tried doing systemctl stop pulsaudio, but it says it service wasnt loaded |
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| 18:41.25 | greycat | pulsaudio is probably not the correct spelling |
| 18:41.29 | npo | I think i might have found a solution though -- disabling autospawn in the ~/.config/pulse/client.conf file |
| 18:41.36 | npo | i added an e :P |
| 18:41.43 | npo | it was a typo |
| 18:42.00 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: You don't always need upstream changes, right? If you force this, you'll have to create triggers for all conffiles you modify (managed by UCF), like GRUB ones and so on... |
| 18:42.02 | greycat | 'k, if it's not a systemd thing then I know nothing about it. I don't use pulseaudio or any desktop environments. |
| 18:42.54 | greycat | Highly amusing if pulseaudio actually ships with its own little respawning wrapper. |
| 18:43.01 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus ah it would be a global setting to always overwrite with upstream versions? |
| 18:43.06 | npo | oh i see |
| 18:43.26 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: Yes, for UCF-managed conffiles. |
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| 18:43.45 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: See `apt-cache --important --installed rdepends ucf'. |
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| 18:45.05 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus uh yeah most of those are modified ones i guess |
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| 18:45.47 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: So you should try the .../default trick. |
| 18:46.03 | somiaj | npo: greycat: I think pulseaudio might be a user systemd thing over a system, but not positive. Also I think if you aren't using pulseaudio you can just remove the package(s). |
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| 18:46.55 | greycat | He wanted to disable it "temporarily" for some unspecified reason. |
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| 18:47.05 | Cursarion | yo |
| 18:48.16 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus i with there was a file tree representing packages and i just could throw in a shell script there which would be like postinst or such |
| 18:48.25 | jelly | jmd: something else seems fishy tho. linux-image-3.16.0-4-loongson-2f package in jessie d-i says ext2/3/4 support is, in fact, built in the kernel |
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| 18:49.09 | Cursarion | what's the ideal way to run scripts at system startup and shutdown? |
| 18:49.36 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: Running your script is not that much of a problem. Making UCF shut up and overwrite this particular file by default is another thing. |
| 18:49.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | systemd. |
| 18:49.46 | jmd | jelly: is there a way to check if in fact a kernel does support it? |
| 18:50.33 | jmd | The kernel I have got is 4.5.0 |
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| 18:50.52 | jelly | jmd: why did you get the testing kernel and not the jessie one? |
| 18:51.08 | somiaj | Cursarion: kinda depends on the script. But systemd is the default on jessie and you can use that to configure startup/shutdown services/scripts/etc |
| 18:51.09 | jmd | I thought it was the jessie one. |
| 18:51.29 | jmd | Where is the url for the jessie installer? |
| 18:51.47 | greycat | !netinst |
| 18:51.48 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 18:51.52 | jelly | jmd: let me guess, you used the URL from the wiki page blindly http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-mipsel/current/images/loongson-2f/netboot/ (testing), or |
| 18:52.00 | jmd | greycat: Please don't do that. |
| 18:52.10 | jelly | jmd: replace /testing/ with /jessie/ there |
| 18:52.10 | greycat | Then fucking read it yourself. |
| 18:52.22 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus yeah i feel i need to read into those further before modifying UCF. id like to have that fully automated since for most packages i want upstream plus some minor changes, but i would have to be very carefull because i run autoupdate every night |
| 18:52.22 | greycat | I'm getting pretty sick of this. |
| 18:52.37 | jmd | ignores greycat |
| 18:52.45 | greycat | You asked where the motherfucking image is, and I had the bot TELL YOU. And you complained. |
| 18:52.53 | greycat | OK, I'll make it mutual then. |
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| 18:53.05 | awwal | jmd, here you have all the images you want http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ |
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| 18:53.39 | greycat | Anyone who is NOT a fucking asshat can feel free to ask their questions now. |
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| 18:54.39 | jelly | greycat: as the HowToInstall page says, the supposed asshat is required to do a tftp install not boot from d-i directly... because that does not work on their weird system |
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| 18:56.39 | TomTomTosch | it's also a release behind, possibly not relevant. moving this to d-mips sounds like a good idea :> |
| 18:57.16 | Cursarion | NoImNotNineVolt / somiaj: know any simple tutorial? I'm looking at systemd website and I'm kind of overwhelmed by the content |
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| 18:57.35 | Cursarion | also, words like example and tutorial aren't present on that page :( |
| 18:57.38 | somiaj | Cursarion: what kinda of scripts are you wanting to run? This would help point you in a better direction. |
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| 18:58.08 | jelly | TomTomTosch: clearly written while jessie was testing |
| 18:58.11 | greycat | Cursarion: best systemd documentation I've found so far is the arch Linux wiki. |
| 18:58.23 | Cursarion | at startup, a script that logs some stuff about the system state |
| 18:58.27 | jelly | arch wiki++ |
| 18:58.43 | TomTomTosch | jelly: so was the installer. but i have no idea. |
| 18:58.48 | Cursarion | at shutdown, basically a similar script but about other stuff |
| 18:58.52 | jmcnaught | Cursarion: Lennart's blog series is also a good introduction to systemd: https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/#thesystemdforadministratorsblogseries |
| 18:59.09 | greycat | If you just want to run a one-off (not respawning) script at boot time in Jessie, you can simply launch it from /etc/rc.local |
| 18:59.28 | Cursarion | basically, I'm having a problem with networking - for some reason right after boot, the internet doesn't work. but if I disable and re-enable the connection via NetworkManager, it works |
| 18:59.29 | greycat | That doesn't scale, and I wouldn't run a daemon that way, but it might be all you need. |
| 18:59.34 | somiaj | Cursarion: the current logs are not enough? |
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| 19:00.20 | somiaj | Cursarion: note you might be able to use /etc/rc.local for simple stuff, just add stuff to that script. As for your actual problem, unsure the best way to debug why the network isn't being brought up correctly. |
| 19:00.25 | jmd | jelly: I think your're right. I got the testing image inadvertently. |
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| 19:01.08 | Cursarion | somiaj: well, the next step would be to make a script that does the same thing automatically with nmcli |
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| 19:01.30 | Cursarion | and actually, the stuff I want to see might already be in syslog |
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| 19:01.48 | jmcnaught | Cursarion: have you figured out why your problem with NM is happening? |
| 19:01.54 | Cursarion | no, not yet |
| 19:02.16 | jmcnaught | Cursarion: "journalctl -b -u NetworkManager" is one place to look. |
| 19:02.20 | somiaj | Cursarion: check /etc/network/interfaces (do you have any interface besides 'lo' mentioned in there? |
| 19:02.35 | somiaj | Cursarion: this is just making sure you don't have some conflict. On top of that jmcnaught is pointing you at some logs |
| 19:04.07 | Cursarion | there's eth0 |
| 19:04.22 | Cursarion | lemme reboot the system and see if it happens again |
| 19:04.29 | Cursarion | it hasn't even happened at every boot |
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| 19:07.22 | jmcnaught | Cursarion: "journalctl -b -u networking" will show you the logs of the traditional networking init script (which essentially starts interfaces in /e/n/interfaces). If you're using NetworkManager you probably only want 'lo' to be defined in that file |
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| 19:07.57 | Cursarion | "No journal files were found." |
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| 19:08.10 | jhutchins | Cursarion: dmesg | less |
| 19:08.11 | Cursarion | oh wait, found stuff as root |
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| 19:09.11 | jmcnaught | Cursarion: as a side note if you want a regular user to be able to read journals and logs, add them to the "adm" group. For journald you also need to make the jouranls persistent (details in systemd's README.Debian) |
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| 19:10.41 | Cursarion | might be that I figured it out, didn't even reboot yet |
| 19:10.48 | Cursarion | but I've been reading syslog |
| 19:11.13 | somiaj | Cursarion: is eth0 the device you are having trouble with network manager with? |
| 19:11.15 | Cursarion | networking fails some stuff 2 seconds before NetworkManager has eth0 |
| 19:11.19 | Cursarion | ...up |
| 19:11.54 | somiaj | Cursarion: network manager and the /etc/network/interfaces file will conflict with each other. Don't mention your eth0 device at all in the interfaces file if you want to use network manager to manage it. |
| 19:12.17 | DammitJim | ok, so I have a server with some samba shares |
| 19:12.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | NetworkManager is the worst. |
| 19:12.25 | DammitJim | the server is joined to the domain |
| 19:12.41 | DammitJim | yes, NetworkManager is the worst... connman is better ;) |
| 19:12.59 | DammitJim | how do I go about giving permissions to shared folders on a per user basis? |
| 19:13.12 | DammitJim | like I have started using setfacl to give someone full permissions |
| 19:13.12 | Cursarion | somiaj: it isn't mentioned in interfaces. only 'auto lo' and 'iface lo inet loopback' |
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| 19:13.27 | DammitJim | but then someone else that has permissions adds a folder and the other user can't manage that folder |
| 19:13.34 | DammitJim | I need some way to like inherit |
| 19:13.43 | DammitJim | permissions for all those users? |
| 19:13.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | see also: groups |
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| 19:15.04 | hexnewbie | DammitJim: defaultt ACLs, or groups and default group ACLs |
| 19:15.39 | jmd | Starts the install again using jessie ... |
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| 19:16.51 | somiaj | Cursarion: okay I missunderstood you then. |
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| 19:17.43 | Cursarion | somiaj: might be I misunderstood myself too |
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| 19:18.01 | DammitJim | hexnewbie, so, it would have to be per user |
| 19:18.09 | DammitJim | I mean, per group, not per user? |
| 19:18.37 | Cursarion | but seems to me I could solve this either by delaying the logged networking thing until after eth0 is activated, or reactivating stuff immediately afterwards |
| 19:20.04 | hexnewbie | DammitJim: I suspect both would work. You need to be more specific as to what exactly you want - it's not completely clear. But inheritance---both of user and group permissions---is accomplished by default ACLs (see man setfacl). You may also need to setgid the directories to inherit the main group (unless you add explicit group permissions with setfacl) |
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| 19:21.44 | somiaj | DammitJim: also note due to the samba domain, you may have to be careful how it is configured as configuring your system such that multiple users can all edit files in the same directory (and subdirectorys) maybe different when dealing with the permisions that samba is uses. |
| 19:22.08 | hexnewbie | DammitJim: If only Samba is involved, you may be able to avoid ACLs altogether by setting directory and file masks, combined with groups. |
| 19:22.13 | somiaj | DammitJim: I don't have a solution, just realize there is two layers. 1) the debian system permsisons, and 2) how samba translates the windows domain permsiions of remote users to the debian system. |
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| 19:27.33 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: After some experiments I finally managed to achieve this: UCF silently overwrites a specific conffile with a new version, without the need to modify global settings. |
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| 19:32.12 | jmd | jelly: That installer seems to have got a bit further. So thanks for the tip. |
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| 19:34.08 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 19:34.28 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: Here is what you should do in your trigger. |
| 19:34.49 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: 1) Modify /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini the way you need. |
| 19:35.17 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: 2) Run `ucf --purge /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini'. |
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| 19:36.10 | penrod | greetings: fresh install of Debian Jessie, "invalid arch-independent ELF magic", what does that mean ? |
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| 19:38.12 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: 3) Run `md5sum /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini > /usr/share/php5/php.ini-production.md5sum.d/default'. |
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| 19:40.41 | FinalX | ugh, speaking of apache, why does /etc/apache2/envvars have APACHE_ARGUMENTS when it's not being honored by the sysvinit-core scripts (i know systemd is the default, but come on .. :P) |
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| 19:41.24 | wsky | why do i have firefox-esr instead of iceweasel on my debian 8 now? |
| 19:41.25 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: On next upgrade UCF will first look into its' database for a md5sum and won't find it since we purged it, then it will find a default md5sum, and as it matches the current conffile one UCF will decide that noone has modified the conffile and will quietly overwrite it with a new version. |
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| 19:41.58 | TomTomTosch | wsky: it was updated to ff-esr with the last point release. |
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| 19:42.25 | wsky | TomTomTosch: thanks |
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| 19:43.03 | Aleksej_Rus | de-facto: It's more like a hack, since it relies on UCF internals, but it works. |
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| 19:45.49 | DammitJim | hexnewbie, I like the idea of the masks and users in samba config |
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| 19:50.22 | TheQuestionmark | I really hate apt at times. |
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| 19:52.06 | awwal | Why some apps are not listed as alternative for X task? |
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| 19:52.38 | greycat | That's pretty vague. |
| 19:52.49 | awwal | I'm almost reffering to 'terminology'; not listed as alternative for x-terminal-emulator |
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| 19:53.58 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ apt-cache showpkg x-terminal-emulator | grep terminology |
| 19:53.58 | greycat | terminology 0.7.0-1 |
| 19:54.24 | greycat | Not sure where --update-alternatives gets its choices from.... |
| 19:54.26 | somiaj | awwal: partly can just be the matainer and the app. The matainer of said package has to do all the configuration to be included as one of the alternatives for say an x-terminal-emulator |
| 19:55.14 | awwal | somiaj, ok, thats what I was guessing but wasn't sure |
| 19:55.25 | awwal | I want to make 'terminology' as my default x-terminal-emulator but I'm lost with the "--slave" side |
| 19:55.43 | somiaj | awwal: man update-alternatives, you can manually add your own to the list if needed |
| 19:55.51 | greycat | If it needs an argument to act like xterm, then write a wrapper script and use that as the direct alternative. |
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| 19:56.36 | hexnewbie | Don't packages add themselves alternatives by what's not that different from an update-alternative call? |
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| 19:56.57 | awwal | somiaj, yes I'm in man and I want add terminology as an alternative with --install argument but no idea about what is the slave |
| 19:57.29 | somiaj | awwal: I only ever tried to play with it once years ago, cna't be of much help. |
| 19:57.41 | awwal | greycat, no clue how that can be done. |
| 19:57.47 | somiaj | hexnewbie: this is done via the matainer scripts with the package. |
| 19:57.49 | awwal | somiaj, ok, np :) |
| 19:58.09 | greycat | You seriously can't write a simple wrapper script? :( |
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| 19:58.55 | awwal | greycat, I'm a novice, yes I dont know how :P |
| 19:58.59 | greycat | printf '#!/bin/sh\nexec terminology --slave "$@"\n' > /usr/local/bin/tslave; chmod 755 /usr/local/bin/tslave |
| 19:59.10 | hexnewbie | somiaj: So it is an actual update-alternatives call? |
| 19:59.14 | awwal | but trying to get it via update-alternatives |
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| 19:59.18 | greycat | Assuming that's the correct command invocation. I'm only going by what YOU said in chat. I have never used this thing before. |
| 20:00.36 | somiaj | hexnewbie: correct |
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| 20:03.23 | Aleksej_Rus | awwal: `update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator x-terminal-emulator /usr/bin/terminology <score> --slave /usr/share/man/man1/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz x-terminal-emulator.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/terminology.1.gz'. |
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| 20:03.53 | Aleksej_Rus | awwal: Set the score to your wish. |
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| 20:06.30 | awwal | Aleksej_Rus, ok, I was comparing with xterm and that command should work yes,. In /usr/share/man/man1 I see terminology.1.gz |
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| 20:07.17 | awwal | Aleksej_Rus but why twice --slave /usr/share/man/man1/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz |
| 20:07.48 | Aleksej_Rus | awwal: Why twice? Only once. |
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| 20:08.11 | awwal | Aleksej_Rus, right, excuses ; got confused |
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| 20:08.36 | awwal | let me try |
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| 20:10.55 | de-facto | Aleksej_Rus thank you a lot i will try that later :)) |
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| 20:14.47 | awwal | Aleksej_Rus, perfect. It worked just like a charm. Thanks!!! |
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| 20:15.03 | awwal | and excuse the delay, I have tried first in my VM |
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| 20:16.11 | Aleksej_Rus | awwal: NP, I always try on a live system first. Can't be too safe :) |
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| 20:17.41 | awwal | Aleksej_Rus, same here. If not sure about X command or something I always try in VM first then apply in real system :) Thanks again |
| 20:19.49 | awwal | I like 'terminology' bcoz it eye candy, supports multitab and split stuff :) also customizable |
| 20:20.49 | awwal | i think only terminator & terminology supports vertical/horizontal split |
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| 20:22.56 | Aleksej_Rus | konsole does. But I've never tried: when I need something alike, I use screen(1). |
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| 20:23.06 | ebye | this isn't debian related, but maybe someone knows.... I've made an image that boots with isolinux, loads a kernel and a initrd with busybox, but some commands, like fdisk, are missing from busybox.... any ideas? |
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| 20:48.16 | TheQuestionmark | I give up on this apt shit. |
| 20:48.35 | jmcnaught | TheQuestionmark: what is the problem you are having? |
| 20:48.41 | TomTomTosch | !tell TheQuestionmark about bat |
| 20:51.05 | TheQuestionmark | No... not more today, I'll check things tomorrow when my mind is a little cleaned up. |
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| 20:54.57 | mdim | hi folks |
| 20:56.33 | mdim | In Debian, the GoogleTest framework comes only in an non-compiled version. I compiled it myself and now would like to use its statically-generated libraries, however I don't know how to set up my env. This is my attempt: https://paste.debian.net/739267/ |
| 20:57.22 | awwal | Ok, guys, I have another question for today. Sometimes when I install pkgs I find some recommends really not needed. How to install all the recommends except one of them? "aptitude install pkgA -pkgB" ? "aptitude install pkgA -r -pkgB" ? "aptitude install pkgA +R -pkgB" ? |
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| 20:58.02 | greycat | votes for "don't blindly install recommends: at all" |
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| 21:00.23 | awwal | greycat, sometimes what I do is just no install the whole recommends (--without-recommends) and install the manually recommends I find utile |
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| 21:01.04 | awwal | install manually, -the :) |
| 21:01.06 | greycat | Yes, that. Except I don't have to type --without-recommends because I don't use aptitude. |
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| 21:03.12 | jmcnaught | awwal: you may find -s/--simulate useful when experimenting with package selection in aptitude |
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| 21:03.59 | TomTomTosch | instead you type --no-install-recommends in apt? :P |
| 21:04.00 | awwal | me too I almost use apt, but I dont know if it have the - & + options like aptitude |
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| 21:04.22 | awwal | jmcnaught, useful yes |
| 21:04.50 | greycat | TomTomTosch: oh... I'm confusing recommends: and suggests: |
| 21:05.19 | awwal | --no-install-recommends / --install-suggests :P |
| 21:05.21 | greycat | I just do whatever the default is in apt-get. |
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| 21:05.38 | jmcnaught | i find recommends useful most of the time.. only a few times i've found it necessary to disable them |
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| 21:09.28 | awwal | I have installed epiphany and evolution for try them and I ended having gnome-settings stuff and nautilus, thats why I said recommends is a problem sometimes |
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| 21:10.27 | jmcnaught | awwal: simply removing the recommended package(s) that you don't want afterwards is also an option. also keep in mind that epiphany browser doesn't have security support in jessie so it may not be worth using anyways |
| 21:10.39 | greycat | For those specific situations, I guess you would use apt-get --no-install-recommends foo bar, or the aptitude equivalent. |
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| 21:12.43 | awwal | jmcnaught, ok, I dont knew that. so seems that only firefox/icweasel and chromium get security support, eh? |
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| 21:13.20 | jmcnaught | awwal: that is correct |
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| 21:13.37 | awwal | yeah, that's what I see in jessie release notes |
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| 21:13.47 | jmcnaught | awwal: there's a debian-security-support package that has a check-support-status command |
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| 21:14.11 | awwal | jmcnaught, never heard about it |
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| 21:14.26 | DeaDSouL | I'm trying to change my MTU in the network-connection.... sometimes it shows the new value in `ifconfig` ... sometimes it still uses the old value... even if i restart the network |
| 21:14.29 | DeaDSouL | why? |
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| 21:15.12 | awwal | jmcnaught, installing it right now, so :P |
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| 21:19.37 | awwal | jmcnaught, thanks for the trick. really utile that debian-security-support pkg. |
| 21:20.06 | awwal | It have detected like 10 pkg no supported anymore yet :D |
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| 21:21.40 | awwal | probably very little people know about that pkg and some others useful. I think that pkgs like needrestart, apt-listbugs, debian-security-support and a few more should be installed by default in debian or at least recommend them |
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| 21:29.03 | xormor | awwal, how do I use debian-security-support? thank you. |
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| 21:32.46 | jhutchins | xormor: What is your actual question? |
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| 21:34.17 | xormor | jhutchins, I found the command: check-support-status. |
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| 21:34.44 | xormor | jhutchins, I did an apt-listbugs to firefox-esr. How do I upgrade? Or should I correct the error in the source code? |
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| 21:36.00 | TomTomTosch | which error are you talking about. if you want to fix every ticket in the bugtracker yourself you are going to have a bad time. |
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| 21:36.46 | xormor | TomTomTosch, b1 - #825909 - firefox-esr: crash when loading videos (Fixed: firefox-esr/45.2.0esr-1) |
| 21:36.47 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/825909 in firefox-esr (open): «firefox-esr: crash when loading videos»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-05-31; last modified: 2016-05-31. |
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| 21:38.11 | TomTomTosch | 45.2.0esr-1 is what i have on my machine right now. all you need is an update. |
| 21:38.25 | TomTomTosch | ,v firefox-esr |
| 21:38.26 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 45.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.2.0esr-1; stretch: 45.2.0esr-1 |
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| 21:41.53 | xormor | TomTomTosch, $ firefox --version: "Mozilla Firefox 45.2.0". |
| 21:42.00 | xormor | TomTomTosch, is this the right one? |
| 21:42.36 | TomTomTosch | yes |
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| 21:45.12 | jhutchins | xormor: You might want to subscribe to the security-announce (?) mailing list? |
| 21:46.23 | jhutchins | xormor: You should have a security line in your sources.list, that should allow you to install security updates by just upgrading the package (or all packages). |
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| 21:48.05 | awwal | xormor, "man debian-security-support ---» No manual entry for debian-security-support", instead look at "man check-security-status" |
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| 22:26.56 | shann_ | Hi, i try to build package python (it's ok for this) but i need also to build documentation (folder docs with Makefile), what best practice for this ? |
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| 22:40.51 | roger` | i use RTL2838 DVB-T usb stick, it 'sorts of' work on kali (witch is based on debian) out of the box, because it freezes on frequency change and i have to reset the usb device to get it working again |
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| 22:49.54 | jhutchins | !tell shann_ about nmg |
| 22:50.02 | jhutchins | shann_: Not sure if that has the info or not. |
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| 22:57.38 | xormor | I like lxde. |
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| 22:58.00 | xormor | I used Cinnamon for a long time, because it suited my needs. I wanted a different looking environment. |
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| 23:02.38 | shann_ | hi jhutchins, i not help me but thx for your |
| 23:02.48 | shann_ | help* :) |
| 23:03.13 | Iridos | what was the command to make a loopback device directly and not with mount -o loop |
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| 23:03.39 | Iridos | and even better... I have an image of an usb stick with partitions on it... how do I get the offset for the partition |
| 23:05.00 | Iridos | oh, finally found something http://www.andremiller.net/content/mounting-hard-disk-image-including-partitions-using-linux |
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| 23:06.07 | jmcnaught | Iridos: you might also find libguestfs-tools useful for whatever you're doing |
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| 23:06.34 | Iridos | actually just peeking in to see if I can delete it |
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| 23:09.07 | Iridos | yeah... guess I can do without a historic knoppix from 2005 :P |
| 23:10.18 | Iridos | and a debian-502 iso |
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| 23:17.53 | Elec_A | hello, I want to add contrib and non-free after main in sources.list. My question is, which one? there are several lines that end with "main". |
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| 23:41.46 | Megaf_ | meh, Debian Jessie KDE stable is completely broken |
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| 23:41.56 | Megaf_ | I wonder if anyone actually use that before it's released |
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| 23:42.50 | jmcnaught | Megaf_: i'm pretty sure lots of people use KDE in jessie. what problems are you having? how did you install KDE? do the same problems happen for another user? |
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| 23:43.38 | Megaf_ | jmcnaught: well, the most annoying one is that the volume is set to high on every single notification |
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| 23:44.10 | Megaf_ | I lower the volume to minimal or to my likes, and then when a notification occurs it is set to maximum and it scares the heck out of me |
| 23:44.43 | Megaf_ | the other one is the desktop effects, no matter the configuration I use I get artifacts or bad performance or both |
| 23:45.36 | Megaf_ | I have no issue at all with GNOME, MATE and XFCE, tried them with and without composing |
| 23:45.40 | jmcnaught | Megaf_: the volume issue might be pulseaudio's flat-volumes setting |
| 23:45.56 | Megaf_ | but with KDE I have these two annoying bugs |
| 23:46.57 | jmcnaught | i tried KDE on jessie for a couple of hours then i remembered i don't like KDE, however I didn't notice any artifacts or performance issues with desktop effects |
| 23:47.17 | jmcnaught | if you have been adjusting settings it may still be worth testing in a different user account |
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| 23:49.10 | Megaf_ | the artifacts are gone after changing from teh default xrender to any of the OpenGL renders |
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| 23:50.25 | Akuw | should all production servers be migrated to last stable debian version to get security updates once old version is not supported? |
| 23:50.48 | Megaf_ | good question |
| 23:51.02 | Megaf_ | I would like to keep running my Wheezy servers |
| 23:51.19 | Megaf_ | without ever updating them to Jessie or other Debian |
| 23:51.47 | Megaf_ | kernel 2.6.x goodness, low hardware requirements and just as fast as Jessie if not faster |
| 23:52.02 | simonlnu | generally yes. that's not a good idea. distros have releases that get to a point where they're unsupported. it's called end-of-life. |
| 23:52.02 | Megaf_ | and the most important to me, OpenVZ compatibilty |
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