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| 08:09.52 | fredl | I'll just selectively comment out lines and retry to narrow it down |
| 08:09.56 | c-c | fredl: probably sets basic config for exim. Do you even use exim? How would you know if it works or not. |
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| 08:10.19 | fredl | yeah I've used exim for years as MTA here on my server |
| 08:10.25 | rjsalts | fredl: have you tried running /usr/sbin/exim4 -C ... |
| 08:10.28 | c-c | what are you expecting |
| 08:10.35 | rjsalts | fredl: to see what it does? |
| 08:10.49 | fredl | rjsalts, I have. |
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| 08:11.11 | fredl | lemme show |
| 08:11.34 | fredl | http://pastebin.ca/3633103 |
| 08:11.40 | fredl | it just sits there, doing nothing |
| 08:12.12 | fredl | c-c: what I'm expecting is dpkg-reconfigure to come back either succesfully or with an error message |
| 08:13.17 | fredl | in this line: directory = "/home/vmail/${domain}/${local_part}/Maildir/${if eq {${substr_0_3:$header_X-Spam-Status:}}{Yes}{.Junk}{}}" |
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| 08:13.32 | rjsalts | fredl: so what happens if you do strace -f -p $(pidof exim4) |
| 08:13.34 | fredl | anybody know where exim would get those ${domain} variables? |
| 08:13.48 | fredl | lemme try that |
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| 08:14.38 | fredl | futex(0x7fb24577bd08, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 2, NULL |
| 08:14.43 | fredl | that's all |
| 08:14.50 | rjsalts | fredl: they're all expansion items http://exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch-string_expansions.html |
| 08:15.13 | fredl | tnx |
| 08:15.20 | rjsalts | fredl: so it's waiting on some kind of lock |
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| 08:16.00 | rjsalts | fredl: kill it and try strace /usr/sbin/exim4 -C ... |
| 08:16.13 | fredl | looks like it yeah, maybe I can add some debug_print to see what they're set to... |
| 08:17.10 | fredl | hmmmm, the strace indicates it tries to do something with mysql |
| 08:17.21 | rjsalts | fredl: they're being expanded based on the message you receive, i.e. ${domain} will be the recipients domain ${local_part} is the bit before the @ symbol in the recipients email address |
| 08:17.29 | ByteStorm | is there a GNU grub channel ??? |
| 08:18.09 | rjsalts | fredl: just before the futex wait? |
| 08:18.48 | Rovanion | Is there a good alternative to sshfs? Because it seems like everyone is having issues with sshfs and resuming the connection after a suspend. |
| 08:18.54 | fredl | looks like it, let me cut and paste |
| 08:19.14 | fredl | http://pastebin.ca/3633148 |
| 08:19.34 | fredl | maybe that connect(24,....) ? |
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| 08:19.54 | fredl | well no... I see read()'s from that socket |
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| 08:20.13 | fredl | no close() though |
| 08:20.44 | fredl | fsck, I'm losing it here, been staring and poking at this for too long |
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| 08:21.17 | Walex | Rovanion: "issues with sshfs and resuming the connection after a suspend" good luck with that... |
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| 08:21.21 | c-c | fredl: maybe its expecting a POP or MAP response |
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| 08:21.30 | c-c | fredl: or dns |
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| 08:21.52 | Rovanion | Walex: That's what I'm saying. Sure there must exist some alternative to sshfs which isn't NFS? |
| 08:22.00 | fredl | possibly... although DNS requests should time out in, what, 30 seconds or so? |
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| 08:22.24 | Walex | Rovanion: that depends on what transport you have available. |
| 08:22.31 | c-c | fredl: maybe you're expected to configure such things for exim |
| 08:22.34 | fredl | I tried typing some stuff on stdin, doesn't respond |
| 08:22.55 | Walex | Rovanion: SSHFS exists because it uses SSH as transport, not for much of any other reason. |
| 08:22.56 | rjsalts | fredl: I don't think it would be dns, database makes more sense, but everything looks okay just before that |
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| 08:23.14 | fredl | well in the whole /etc/exim4 tree I currently have no reference to mysql |
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| 08:23.31 | fredl | I *used* to have that, it would look up domains/users in mysql before |
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| 08:23.42 | fredl | so perhaps it has some old stuff somewhere still |
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| 08:24.02 | Rovanion | Walex: I'm open to setting up any other transport which can be exposed to the internet if it can provide a better remote fs mounting solution than sshfs. |
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| 08:24.07 | rjsalts | fredl: what's in /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
| 08:24.09 | fredl | but I reinstalled exim4-config, including the whole new config files |
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| 08:24.23 | Walex | Rovanion: basically SSHFS is a wrapper around 'ssh' and 'cat <' and 'cat >' |
| 08:24.25 | c-c | fredl: but, did you purge the old? |
| 08:24.35 | fredl | I did c-c |
| 08:24.41 | rjsalts | fredl: for passwd: and group: |
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| 08:24.54 | fredl | passwd: compat mysql |
| 08:24.54 | fredl | group: compat mysql |
| 08:24.59 | fredl | aha |
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| 08:25.14 | Walex | Rovanion: if you want a filesystem that allows you to mount something you have at home from a laptop in a coffee place there are very limited options. |
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| 08:25.28 | fredl | the geteuid/getegid ? |
| 08:25.34 | rjsalts | fredl: it's trying to figure out all the users and groups type stuff |
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| 08:25.41 | Rovanion | Walex: That's essentially what I want. Something like what mosh is to ssh. |
| 08:25.48 | fredl | yeah good catch, lemme look into that more |
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| 08:25.55 | Walex | Rovanion: in practice the only robust options are based on RSYNC style logic, like 'syncthing' |
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| 08:26.10 | ChrisH | fredl: Is mysql a valid option there? Never saw that before |
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| 08:26.22 | rjsalts | fredl: does getent passwd/getent group have any problems? |
| 08:26.27 | Walex | ChrisH: MySQL is never a valid option! :-) |
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| 08:26.35 | Rovanion | Walex: Doesn't work in practice though, as long as I'm not carrying around six terabytes with me. |
| 08:26.38 | fredl | ChrisH - yup |
| 08:26.47 | rjsalts | ChrisH: it's valid if you install libnss-mysql or whatever it's called |
| 08:26.57 | fredl | rjsalts: uid=5000(vmail) gid=5000(vmail) groups=5000(vmail) |
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| 08:27.28 | rjsalts | fredl: that's the user exim is running as? |
| 08:27.32 | fredl | wait... isn't libnss-mysql orphaned in jessie? |
| 08:27.54 | fredl | maybe there's the source of the problems |
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| 08:28.11 | rjsalts | fredl: it's in wheezy, not jessie |
| 08:28.24 | fredl | rjsalts - nope, that's the user the (virtual) mailfolders are chowned/chgroup'ed to |
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| 08:29.03 | fredl | now I'm wondering, hmmm... when I do 'id vmail' it works.... |
| 08:29.08 | rjsalts | fredl: I don't think that should matter. exim is just trying to check it's config, it's probably trying to look up Debian-exim or what have you |
| 08:29.14 | fredl | but vmail is not in /etc/passwd |
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| 08:29.28 | fredl | that's a username/password in the mysql database |
| 08:29.52 | rjsalts | fredl: and you tried getent passwd/getent group? |
| 08:30.17 | fredl | yup, works |
| 08:30.35 | fredl | this is not a very succesfull upgrade so far :) |
| 08:30.59 | rjsalts | fredl: you moving from wheezy to jessie? |
| 08:31.04 | fredl | yeah |
| 08:31.11 | fredl | pretty disastrous thus far |
| 08:31.32 | fredl | had the weirdest shit with pdns as well |
| 08:31.37 | rjsalts | fredl: try commenting out the mysql bit in /etc/nsswitch? |
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| 08:31.58 | rjsalts | fredl: I think you can maybe migrate to sss or something |
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| 08:32.30 | fredl | ha! when I comment out the mysql, 'id vmail' no longer works |
| 08:32.47 | fredl | sss isn't that that redhat thing? |
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| 08:33.16 | fredl | anyway, in some way I do not have libnss-mysql installed but... it does work still :P |
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| 08:33.23 | fredl | that's some wicked magic ha? :) |
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| 08:34.01 | fredl | ow... libnss-mysql-bg |
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| 08:34.54 | fredl | so apparently that *is* in jessie |
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| 08:35.54 | fredl | so now it makes some sense again that 'exim -C ...' would connect to mysql again, but not why it fails |
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| 08:36.02 | fredl | well.... not fails, waits |
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| 08:39.18 | Walex | Rovanion: then you have a bit of a problem. You are asking for a filesystem that works well in intermittently-connected operation over a high delay link, that does not match the UNIX way of doing filesystems very much. SSHFS gives the illusion that such a thing is possible. |
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| 08:40.09 | Walex | Rovanion: in practice intermittently connected/high delay means using upload/download style transfers, and SSHFS does that, only pretends it is a filesystem. It mostly works. |
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| 08:41.15 | Walex | Rovanion: the next best thing would be NFSv4. And then SMB/CIFS. But it is not a good match either. |
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| 08:42.05 | Rovanion | Walex: Over a VPN connection then since you don't want to expose these to the internet IIRC. |
| 08:42.06 | jelly | Rovanion: split the problem into two components: first, a reliable and secure connection, second, a good enough filesystem. To wit, find a decent vpn solution that keeps your tcp connections even when your IP address changes |
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| 08:42.44 | rjsalts | fredl: also looks like libnss-mysql-bg is in unstable so you could compile from the source package on jessie and see how it goes |
| 08:42.44 | rjsalts | http://snapshot.debian.org/package/libnss-mysql/ - last seen in 2006 |
| 08:42.44 | rjsalts | nope, stuff from 2011 too |
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| 08:57.00 | fredl | well the geteuid / getegid come back succesfully rjsalts, so I'm not convinced that's the problem |
| 08:57.18 | Walex | Rovanion: NFSv4 can do encryption on its own. |
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| 08:58.10 | fredl | rjsalts - although of course uid 102/gid 104 is Debian-exim, not vmail/vmail |
| 08:58.29 | fredl | which makes your point more likely |
| 08:58.48 | ChrisH | Rovanion: I did not get the full discussion, but using git via ssh might be an option to be considered |
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| 08:59.04 | ByteStorm | is there a GNU grub channel ??? |
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| 08:59.32 | Rovanion | ChrisH: Nah, it's mostly music on the server. |
| 08:59.52 | Rovanion | ByteStorm: https://www.gnu.org/server/irc-rules.html |
| 08:59.58 | fredl | okay.... when I replace vmail/vmail in the config with Debian-exim:Debian-exim, exim4 -C no longer hangs... |
| 09:00.07 | fredl | so it IS the problem grmbl |
| 09:00.10 | Rovanion | ByteStorm: Literally the first result on google. |
| 09:00.42 | Rovanion | Walex: I thought NFS always implicitly trusted everyone on the network or something like that. |
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| 09:06.25 | Walex | Rovanion: NFSv4 has authentication and encryption (but you must use Kerberos) |
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| 09:07.27 | ChrisH | Rovanion: For Music I would resync my local system and would not fiddle around with sshfs/nfs or what ever over unstable netowrk links |
| 09:08.28 | Rovanion | ChrisH: But then you either have a smaller library or larger drives in your laptops then I do. |
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| 09:10.22 | ChrisH | Rovanion: (1TB in my Laptop but nearly no music) Then I would suggest to use https transfer via client certificates for streaming |
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| 09:14.12 | Walex | ChrisH: Rovanion: actually if the content is read-only there is an HTTPS based "mirroring" filesytem in widespread use: https://cernvm.cern.ch/portal/filesystem |
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| 09:15.02 | Rovanion | Walex: I'll have a look at it. I'm mostly doing read only so. |
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| 09:28.33 | nkuttler | meh, how can i get the total disk usage of specific files.. du --files0-from only lists individual files, not the sum |
| 09:30.05 | nkuttler | never mind |
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| 09:50.53 | fredl | rjsalts - turns out there is a problem with the libnss-mysql-bg users/groups. Not sure what was the problem but fixed it by adding the vmail user/group to regular passwd / groups file |
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| 09:55.22 | Xat` | I have an ISO with specific binary into. How can I retrieve this ISO's binary from a running system ? |
| 09:55.30 | Aprendiz1234_ | hi all. How can I see real memory free without disk caching memory usage? |
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| 09:56.36 | Xat` | I'm able to mount it |
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| 10:07.26 | dury | hi there all |
| 10:07.46 | Xat` | I'm able to mount the ISO on my running system, but I'm not able to find binaries into the mountpoint |
| 10:07.55 | Xat` | is that possible ? |
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| 10:09.21 | themill | 'find into'? |
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| 10:11.26 | rsFF- | hey there |
| 10:11.31 | rsFF- | nathans@debian |
| 10:11.34 | rsFF- | is around here? |
| 10:12.08 | dury | my grub2 boots from external usb drive... if I unplugged I don't get grub2 from internal hard disk where jessie is installed. how can I solve that, please? |
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| 10:12.30 | arjona | Hello everywhere |
| 10:13.01 | rsFF- | nat0: ping |
| 10:13.07 | arjona | Can you read me? I'm trying to connect to an irc |
| 10:13.45 | arjona | ++ |
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| 10:14.56 | themill | rsFF-: unlikely. What's your real question? |
| 10:14.58 | Xat` | themill: I have an ISO which contains some binaries , I need to execute these binaries |
| 10:15.18 | Xat` | i'm able to mount the ISO on my running system, but I'm not able to find the binaries |
| 10:15.42 | themill | Xat`: what's the complete output of "mount"? |
| 10:15.43 | Xat` | Is it possible to find the binaries from a mounted ISO ? |
| 10:16.09 | Xat` | mount -t iso9660 /path/to/iso /mnt |
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| 10:16.14 | Xat` | I don't have any output |
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| 10:16.23 | themill | no, "mount" will make lost of output |
| 10:16.24 | Xat` | the mount is OK |
| 10:16.51 | arjona | how can i switch my nick on "WeeChat"? |
| 10:17.01 | Xat` | themill: what do you mean by '"mount" will make lost of output' |
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| 10:17.18 | rsFF- | themill: he is the xfsprogs maintainer, and would like to have a chat with him about it |
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| 10:19.10 | themill | Xat`: run the command "mount". |
| 10:19.17 | Xat` | oh ok |
| 10:19.23 | dury | can anyone help or suggest me what to do about my problem, please? |
| 10:19.46 | Xat` | themill: I can see the ISO is mounted on /mnt |
| 10:20.07 | dury | grub2 it doesn't boot from internal disk |
| 10:20.09 | themill | rsFF-: no, there's a larger team that maintains xfsprogs and you're better off asking their mailing list (or reporting bugs with 'reportbug') |
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| 10:22.18 | Xat` | themill: but I don't have binaries (from this ISO) available |
| 10:22.20 | rsFF- | hummm kk |
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| 10:24.42 | dury | jessie is in /dev/sdb9 |
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| 10:24.51 | dury | http://paste.debian.net/739817/ |
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| 10:26.42 | dury | grub2 it doesn't boot from internal disk... how can I solve that |
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| 10:28.20 | themill | Xat`: I did actually want to see the output |
| 10:28.51 | dury | rsFF-, can you? |
| 10:29.07 | fredl | dury - do you see the grub prompt after you boot? |
| 10:30.03 | dury | fredl, what you mean sorry? |
| 10:30.10 | fredl | in other words, how do you know it does not boot, where does it stop booting, what do you see on the screen when you boot? |
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| 10:30.51 | fredl | also, can you boot Linux from USB/CDROM with /dev/sdb9 as your root filesystem? |
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| 10:33.36 | dury | the thing is if I switch on the computer without usb drive the grub2 doesn't come up and can't start jessie, fredl |
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| 10:34.31 | dury | fredl, can boot a cdrom |
| 10:34.49 | dury | if I go to bios |
| 10:35.09 | xormor | dury, perhaps the grub is missing on the hard drive. it should be in /dev/sda or /dev/sda1. |
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| 10:36.03 | fredl | dury - when you boot from the USB, is /dev/sdb9 your root device? |
| 10:37.37 | dury | /dev/sdb9 is where jessie is installed, fredl |
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| 10:38.28 | dury | fredl, I guess so though |
| 10:39.11 | dury | http://paste.debian.net/739817/ see here fredl? |
| 10:39.45 | fredl | dury, after you booted, try grub-install /dev/sdb ? |
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| 10:40.35 | fredl | that installs grub bootloader onto /dev/sdb which I assume is your bootdisk in BIOS |
| 10:41.31 | dury | fredl, or grub2-install /dev/sdb |
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| 10:42.33 | dury | fredl, just grub-install /dev/sdb as root or what? |
| 10:42.52 | fredl | of course. |
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| 10:44.26 | dury | see what's happen, fredl |
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| 10:46.48 | dury | grub2-install: command not found after typing that in terminal, fredl |
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| 10:47.08 | fredl | and grub-install? |
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| 10:48.22 | dury | fredl, Installing for i386-pc platform. |
| 10:48.23 | dury | Installation finished. No error reported. |
| 10:48.30 | fredl | reboot |
| 10:48.43 | fredl | although you may first want to.... |
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| 10:49.05 | fredl | update-grub |
| 10:49.23 | dury | first remove usb drive and try without that, see? |
| 10:49.35 | fredl | yes |
| 10:50.14 | dury | or first update-grub as you said |
| 10:50.19 | fredl | yes |
| 10:50.25 | dury | right |
| 10:50.57 | xormor | you should not have the usb drive there, when you do update-grub |
| 10:51.19 | xormor | the usb drive is not the one you want grub on, you want it on the hard drive |
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| 10:52.18 | dury | right, sormor |
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| 10:52.46 | dury | so repeat it again them sormor |
| 10:53.05 | dury | I mean the commans |
| 10:53.17 | dury | commands, sorry |
| 10:54.15 | dury | or just update-grub without usb drive, sormor? |
| 10:54.22 | dury | as you said |
| 10:54.25 | xormor | dury, right |
| 10:54.43 | dury | thanks indeed |
| 10:54.44 | xormor | dury, 1) remove usb drive 2) update-grub |
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| 10:54.56 | dury | great, brillant |
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| 10:55.21 | fredl | update-grub shouldn't install on the USB if his root device is /dev/sdb9 though |
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| 10:56.43 | xormor | fredl, what was the command to write the grub on /dev/sda1? |
| 10:56.55 | xormor | fredl, it was shown during the install process of debian. |
| 10:57.19 | fredl | I didn't tell him that command for sda1, I told him to 'grub-install /dev/sdb' |
| 10:57.29 | xormor | fredl, ok. good. |
| 10:57.50 | fredl | if your BIOS is set to boot from the /dev/sdb device, that's where grub should be installed on |
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| 10:58.22 | dury | be back right now |
| 10:58.30 | dury | rebooting |
| 10:58.31 | fredl | there is also an excellent #grub channel BTW |
| 10:58.49 | fredl | my own knowledge is limited |
| 10:59.10 | hexadecimal | Bon appétit ;) |
| 10:59.23 | hexadecimal | oops wrong channel |
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| 11:08.03 | dury | fredl, xormor, success :-) |
| 11:08.15 | fredl | congratulations. |
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| 11:10.05 | dury | thanks so much indeed... you know how I appreciate it though :-) |
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| 11:12.57 | dury | need to go for lunch ... thanks again channel :-) |
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| 12:49.35 | Xat` | the mount command output : http://pastebin.com/zxrkrk0J |
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| 13:43.27 | dgarstang | Need some assistance with dh_install. Can't work out to use it :( |
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| 13:47.30 | dgarstang | even debian/install isn't working. ARGH! |
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| 13:48.38 | petn-randall | dgarstang: As always, the usual rules apply: |
| 13:48.42 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 13:48.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:49.23 | petn-randall | dgarstang: Can you show us what you did so far, and show us the output of the debuild/dpkg-buildpackage run? |
| 13:49.33 | greycat | He's trying to create a package, from a "source" which is just a bunch of scripts with no Makefile. But he's trying as hard as he possibly can to avoid writing a simple Makefile with an install: target. God knows why. |
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| 13:49.58 | petn-randall | greycat: I remember from yesterday, yes. |
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| 13:50.50 | petn-randall | greycat: You only really need one Makefile, that is debian/rules. I built a few packages that just wrap scripts with just that. |
| 13:51.28 | dgarstang | greycat: Mu latest attempt is with a Makefile. |
| 13:51.54 | dgarstang | I have "cp usr/local/bin/slice-bootstrap $(DESTDIR)/usr/local/bin/slice-bootstrap" in it, and it's trying to copy it to the absolute location under /usr |
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| 13:52.44 | petn-randall | dgarstang: Can you show us the debian/rules and the debian/*.install files? http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:52.53 | dgarstang | petn-randall: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d3f7dcf2973d28fd716e6d931b8ab2ba |
| 13:53.07 | greycat | Normally the bin/ subdirectory you install into would be underneath the install-prefix directory. |
| 13:53.17 | dgarstang | petn-randall: No debian/*.install file. Presume it's not needed if I use debian/rules or a Makefile |
| 13:53.27 | dgarstang | greycat: That's what I am trying to do |
| 13:53.28 | greycat | e.g. cp slice-bootstrap $(DESTDIR)/bin/slice-bootstrap |
| 13:53.45 | dgarstang | greycat: DESTDIR seems to be empty |
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| 13:53.49 | dgarstang | hence, it's getting put into / |
| 13:53.56 | greycat | *facepalm* |
| 13:54.04 | greycat | Set it. |
| 13:54.09 | petn-randall | dgarstang: You just want to copy some files over to the right position in the package, right? Then it's enough to have a debian/*.install and just call dh_install in the right moment. |
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| 13:54.30 | themill | dgarstang: dh_install has nothing to do with the install target of debian/rules |
| 13:54.33 | greycat | I'm starting to see why he didn't want to write a Makefile. Apparently he's never used one before. |
| 13:54.34 | dgarstang | greycat: Why should I have to set it? Shoudln't the target be 'special'? Otherwise you have to know the implemtnation |
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| 13:54.54 | greycat | dgarstang: it's set inside the Makefile, usually by autoconf |
| 13:54.56 | dgarstang | greycat: At least that's how rpm works. I guess I'm assuming too much |
| 13:55.03 | petn-randall | greycat: calling dh_install in debian/rules and having a debian/*.install file should be enough. |
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| 13:55.27 | dgarstang | petn-randall: I had no luck with dh_install either. It keeps trying to copy files from debian/tmp |
| 13:55.47 | themill | that's its job |
| 13:56.06 | dgarstang | The issue I had with the install file was that it didn't seem to create target dirs (and it's also still trying to find files in debian/tmp) |
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| 13:56.43 | petn-randall | dgarstang: 'man dh_install'. Look at the --sourcedir option. |
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| 13:57.30 | dgarstang | petn-randall: Is it supposed to be an absolute path or a relative path? |
| 13:58.54 | dgarstang | actually, I don't even know what the best practice is. I can't find that documented anywhere. Where should source files come from? A dir at the same level as debian? A dir within debian? Somewhere else altogether? |
| 13:59.01 | petn-randall | dgarstang: If it starts with a slash, absolute. Otherwise relative to the basedir that contains debian/. |
| 13:59.24 | greycat | dgarstang: The simplest possible source tree has all the upstream files in one directory, and a "debian/" inside that. |
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| 14:00.07 | dgarstang | greycat: So your saying the source files should be in a directory above debian and a sourcepath needs to refer to .. ? |
| 14:00.08 | themill | dgarstang: packaging is as easy is the upstream makefile is good. If you have a crap upstream makefile that does nothing useful then it is confusing |
| 14:00.39 | dgarstang | greycat, or rather, refer to ../src for example |
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| 14:00.49 | themill | make a decent Makefile that actually installs the files into the correct places, and it is easy |
| 14:00.53 | petn-randall | dgarstang: You're deliberately ignoring what I said about --sourcedir. |
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| 14:00.59 | greycat | Je |
| 14:01.01 | dgarstang | petn-randall: I don't believe I am |
| 14:01.06 | greycat | He's getting contradictory advice now. That's always fun. |
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| 14:01.36 | dgarstang | it's not hard to get contradictory advice when there's a million ways to do it |
| 14:01.44 | greycat | finds the first factoid in dpkg (maint-guide), follows the first URL in it, and ... they want me to open PDFs. God fucking no. No PDFs. If it's written in PDF it ain't getting read. |
| 14:02.11 | greycat | On to the second URL. |
| 14:02.43 | themill | greycat: that's only because gen-youtube can't read documentation and needs a video of what to do |
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| 14:03.23 | dgarstang | Is it kosher to put source files into a directory, say src, at the same level as debian/, and then have sourcedir be ../src/foo |
| 14:03.37 | themill | dgarstang: make a decent Makefile. |
| 14:03.52 | dgarstang | themill: That's gonna have the same directory issues |
| 14:04.03 | themill | no |
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| 14:04.17 | dgarstang | themill: yes, dh_install is still trying to copy files from debian/tmp |
| 14:04.34 | themill | and "make install" should be trying to copy them into there |
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| 14:05.15 | themill | (it should obey $(DESTDIR)) |
| 14:05.19 | dgarstang | I mean... where should the makefile even be? top level of project? In the directory that contains debian/? Inside the debian/ directory? |
| 14:05.32 | dgarstang | themill: DESTDIR wasn't set before |
| 14:05.39 | themill | it should be, as already noted |
| 14:05.48 | greycat | Ah, I was mistaken about DESTDIR. I thought it worked like prefix. Apparently it's not. |
| 14:05.53 | dgarstang | themill: someone else said I had to set it explicitly |
| 14:06.00 | themill | dh will do so |
| 14:06.03 | dgarstang | k |
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| 14:06.37 | dgarstang | themill: well it dind't work earlier. it wasn't set and $(DESTDIR)/usr ended up becoming /usr |
| 14:06.39 | themill | if you have no upstream Makefile then packaging is a lot of work because you have nothing to use to help you |
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| 14:06.56 | dgarstang | themill: No upstream. It's just a bunch of scripts for internal use |
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| 14:08.55 | dgarstang | where should the Makefile go? |
| 14:09.12 | dgarstang | None of this seems to be documented |
| 14:09.22 | greycat | In the top level of the source tree |
| 14:09.44 | ToHellWithGA | i am attempting to install debian on a mac mini with two hard drives but failing to grok how to get grub installed correctly. if i install to a single drive everything is groovy. if i use mdadm and let LVM create partitions at setup time the machine is unable to find grub on the group. |
| 14:09.51 | themill | this is documented in any "how to write source code" from the last 3 decades |
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| 14:10.35 | dgarstang | greycat: If I put the Makefile at the top level of the source tree (ie one dir above the debian/ dir), then it's not found |
| 14:10.35 | ToHellWithGA | am i supposed to "burn" a few hundred MB at the beginning of SDA1 and just use the remainder of the disk for the mdadm array? |
| 14:10.42 | themill | "not found" by what? |
| 14:10.45 | dgarstang | greycat: if I put it in the directory that also contains the debian/ directory, then it's found |
| 14:11.01 | dgarstang | themill: not found by "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b" |
| 14:11.24 | themill | that's 3 steps removed from relevance |
| 14:11.32 | themill | d/rules |
| 14:11.42 | greycat | dgarstang: UPSTREAM SOURCE TREE -- before you add debian/ to it -- should have one (1) Makefile, and n (n) scripts all sitting in one diretory. The Makefile should have an install target. When you type "make install" in this directory, it should copy the files to $(DESTDIR)/usr/local/bin/ or wherever. This is the starting point. |
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| 14:12.07 | dgarstang | greycat: Where was that documented? |
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| 14:12.12 | greycat | dgarstang: EVERYWHERE |
| 14:12.24 | greycat | Every source package ever released by anyone since the beginning of time. |
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| 14:12.38 | dgarstang | google says "No results found for "should have one (1) Makefile, and n (n) scripts all sitting in one directory"." |
| 14:12.40 | greycat | Unless that person is a Windows person, or a Java person, or a Node person, or some other deviant. |
| 14:12.49 | themill | dgarstang: have you never seen "./configure; make; make install" before? |
| 14:13.01 | dgarstang | themill: yes, since about 1993 |
| 14:13.07 | themill | so there you go |
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| 14:13.27 | dgarstang | themill: theres less obfuscation involved there |
| 14:13.40 | themill | not at all |
| 14:13.55 | dgarstang | themill: I dont know what the debian build system is doing here. |
| 14:13.58 | themill | that is precisely what the debian packing will run |
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| 14:14.32 | dgarstang | themill: Why does the Makefile then need to go into the same directory as the debian/ directory? |
| 14:14.40 | themill | it doesn't |
| 14:14.50 | dgarstang | It's not found if I put it anywhere else |
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| 14:14.55 | themill | I know of no package where that is done |
| 14:15.06 | greycat | themill: I think you misread what he said |
| 14:15.16 | greycat | Makefile and debian/ are both at the top level. |
| 14:15.18 | Bronze | Hi, I need a hint about how to look up if debian has packaged a certain application (specifically firefox, But i want to learn how to do this for any item of software) hopefully this isn't too stupid of a question. |
| 14:15.52 | dgarstang | greycat: ok, that makes sense. I have those dirs inside another dir... maybe because that's the way other packing systems I've seen do it |
| 14:16.16 | themill | umm |
| 14:16.31 | greycat | The upstream tarball should extract to myscripts-0.1/ and inside that should be a Makefile (or a set of files to create one) and the software. |
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| 14:16.41 | themill | I know of no packaging that doesn't do that |
| 14:16.43 | dgarstang | Although, I still need that subdir, because the build system always places the final debian file in ../ |
| 14:16.47 | greycat | When you package it, you add a debian/ subdirectory. |
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| 14:16.57 | dgarstang | greycat: put the version number into the directory!? |
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| 14:17.02 | themill | no |
| 14:17.17 | themill | you can and gnu autotools will want to, but it's not requireed |
| 14:17.31 | dgarstang | no autotools required |
| 14:17.40 | dgarstang | well, I'm just plain confused |
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| 14:18.05 | themill | if you understand autotools this should be a doddle |
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| 14:18.26 | dgarstang | if I put debian/ and Makefile into the root dir, then the deb file will be placed in a directory above, which isn't what I want |
| 14:19.01 | themill | in fact, if you understand autotools, then d/rules is just %:\n\tdh % %@ |
| 14:19.25 | themill | it's only for the muppets that think that npm is the word in packaging that you need to do anything more |
| 14:19.26 | dgarstang | and it's weird to me, to have the source files right next to debian/. They should be one directory above, in the root directory |
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| 14:19.51 | greycat | debian/ IS in the root directory, of the packaged source tree. |
| 14:20.25 | dgarstang | greycat: If it is the root directory, lets say /home/foo, then when the build finsihes, the deb file will be in /home. That's not very practical |
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| 14:20.52 | greycat | No, the root directory OF THE SOURCE TREE. Which is created when you extract the tarball. |
| 14:20.53 | themill | /home/foo is a user's directory, not the root of a project |
| 14:21.12 | dgarstang | There is no tarball. |
| 14:21.22 | themill | there has to be |
| 14:21.27 | themill | perhaps it would be good to look at a simple example, such as "hello" or "hello-debhelper" |
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| 14:21.41 | dgarstang | hello is a? |
| 14:21.49 | themill | ,v hello |
| 14:21.50 | judd | Package: hello on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6-1; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6-1+deb6u1; wheezy: 2.8-2; jessie-security: 2.9-2+deb8u1; jessie: 2.9-2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.10-1; sid: 2.10-1 |
| 14:22.00 | dgarstang | if there was a really simple package I could look at , that would be helpful too |
| 14:22.16 | themill | there's 30k packages to look at and most are simple |
| 14:22.26 | greycat | 43k according to the web page |
| 14:22.35 | dgarstang | greycat: siiiiimple |
| 14:22.41 | dgarstang | as in ONE line in Makefile |
| 14:22.42 | themill | 25k |
| 14:23.05 | greycat | well, source packages vs. binary packages. The web page doesn't give both numbers. |
| 14:23.14 | themill | http://ircbots.debian.net/stats/ |
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| 14:24.20 | dgarstang | 'apt-get source hello'.... That's hardly simple |
| 14:24.47 | dgarstang | The rules file is 76 lines |
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| 14:25.13 | dgarstang | There's no Makefile, but Makefile.in and Makefile.am. Don't know what those are. |
| 14:25.23 | dgarstang | Is there something simopler than hello? |
| 14:25.30 | greycat | They are the templates from which autoconf builds Makefile |
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| 14:25.42 | dgarstang | I don't need autoconf. :( |
| 14:25.48 | themill | did suggest hello-debhelper |
| 14:25.58 | greycat | More specifically, automake turns Makefile.am into Makefile.in, and autoconf creates configure, and configure turns Makefile.in into Makefile |
| 14:25.59 | themill | You do need something that fulfils that interface |
| 14:26.32 | dgarstang | ok, so hello-debhelper doesn't copy any files, which is the example I need |
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| 14:26.47 | dgarstang | themill: I can't just have a simple Makefile? |
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| 14:26.59 | themill | If you don't have an upstream Makefile that installs files into the right place then you need a d/rules that does so. You don't get out of doing the work somewhere |
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| 14:27.19 | dgarstang | themill: either one works for me |
| 14:27.24 | themill | sure, Makefile is fine, you have to have something that does something |
| 14:27.33 | dgarstang | themill: yah, copy some files |
| 14:28.29 | dgarstang | so, those two projects that I just grabbed have debian/ in their root directory. However, the build command I've used puts the deb file one directory above where it was called, effectively putting the file outside the project |
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| 14:30.07 | dgarstang | I just can't spend any more time on this. I am going to have to use fpm, and maybe months down the road, convert to a proper package |
| 14:30.19 | dgarstang | ... like when I have several weeks to work on it |
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| 14:34.15 | dgarstang | 'fpm -s dir -t deb -C src -n slice-bootstrap -v 1.0'.... done |
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| 14:51.02 | durango | apologies, had a local version installed under /usr/local/bin |
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| 15:11.23 | greycat | OK, I have now built a package out of a set of scripts, from absolute scratch, using https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ and some basic knowledge of Makefiles and Debian. |
| 15:11.40 | greycat | It sure as hell isn't pretty. The copyright file is a mess. |
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| 15:12.01 | greycat | But it installs the files in the right place when I "dpkg -i" it. |
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| 15:13.16 | nacc | dgncn: why would the build put the .deb n the current directory? |
| 15:13.31 | nacc | dgncn: apologies, dgarstang left :/ |
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| 15:23.11 | Xat` | themill: I find a squashfs install.img into the ISO |
| 15:23.16 | jeremiahmalina | can anyone recommend a good VPN client? |
| 15:23.20 | Xat` | which contains binaries I need |
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| 15:23.34 | Xat` | everything is ok ;) anyway thank |
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| 15:24.13 | G1eb | heya, a question about locales, I want to use mosh and it requires LC_CTYPE to be set to en_US.UTF-8, but when I export that var it does not stick |
| 15:24.15 | G1eb | https://dpaste.de/4Nrf |
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| 15:36.39 | G1eb | help! i need somebody, help! not just anybodyyy |
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| 15:39.41 | sm00th | I think i still have that bug of systemd trying to start encrypted swap even though its already started in debian 8.5 stable |
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| 15:49.19 | greycat | G1eb: which version of Debian is this? |
| 15:50.25 | greycat | G1eb: I can't reproduce this. Also, if this is in bash, try: declare -p "${!LC_*}" |
| 15:50.31 | fredl | hey guys, I upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie. Roundcube is no longer supported so I installed the tarball and configured it, one thing I'm stuck on however is 'Class 'PDO' not found in /opt/roundcube/program/lib/Roundcube/rcube_db_mysql.php on line 144' |
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| 15:51.03 | fredl | It's not really a roundcube problem but PDO problem, which should be supported I believe |
| 15:51.14 | markybob | fredl: why? it's in jessie-backports |
| 15:51.23 | markybob | ,v roundcube |
| 15:51.24 | judd | Package: roundcube on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.3.1-6; squeeze-security-lts: 0.3.1-6+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 0.7.2-9~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u2; wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u2; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 0.9.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 0.9.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie-backports: 1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.2.0+dfsg.1-1; stretch: 1.2.0+dfsg.1-1 |
| 15:51.25 | fredl | Oh is it?? |
| 15:51.38 | fredl | excellent, the maintainer changed his mind then? |
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| 15:54.34 | jelly | fredl: is php5-mysql installed? |
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| 15:55.17 | jelly | are you on 1.0 branch or 1.1 or even the latestest |
| 15:55.49 | jelly | 1.0 -> 1.1 breaks things; I assume going to 1.2 will need some fixing as well |
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| 15:56.42 | fredl | jelly, yup |
| 15:56.43 | jelly | fredl: backports do not have official security support or even an upgrade path, only best effort |
| 15:57.12 | fredl | I'm aware of backports jelly, used them in the past |
| 15:57.16 | jelly | so no, it's still rather unsupported |
| 15:57.55 | jelly | we're still at latest 1.0.x here :-\ |
| 15:57.59 | fredl | Well an unsupported package is still better IMO than installing a tarball and forgetting about it in a few months |
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| 15:58.35 | jelly | fredl: or install the tarball and subscribe to upstream's fucking releases list |
| 15:58.47 | fredl | :) |
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| 15:59.07 | fredl | mwah, maybe, lemme see what's working better |
| 15:59.14 | fredl | dinnertime now, ciao |
| 15:59.48 | jelly | http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/announce |
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| 16:11.02 | buscon | hi |
| 16:11.15 | buscon | how can list the information of an installed package? |
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| 16:11.50 | afernandez_ | apt-cache policy package |
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| 16:12.20 | buscon | afernandez_, thx |
| 16:12.26 | afernandez_ | OK |
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| 16:20.20 | sm00th | hey guys, how do i completely get rid of nvidia from my system |
| 16:20.35 | sm00th | i tried to apt-get purge nvidia* removed blacklists and file from modprobe.d |
| 16:20.59 | sm00th | I'm on nouveau right now, but when trying to stinall this patched prop driver from nvidia its still saying its on my system |
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| 16:25.49 | G1eb | greycat, hee what is declare supposed to do? it said that it's not found |
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| 16:26.06 | G1eb | also, it said Debian GNU/Linux 8 |
| 16:26.21 | G1eb | 8.4 to be precise |
| 16:26.56 | greycat | G1eb: if declare -p says "command not found" then you aren't in bash, so we'll have to find another way to get the values of all those variables |
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| 16:27.16 | greycat | G1eb: perhaps something like: env | grep -E 'LANG|LC_' |
| 16:27.28 | G1eb | ah, 1 sec |
| 16:27.28 | greycat | but declare -p's output would have been so much nicer |
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| 16:28.06 | G1eb | that output is the same as when I run locale https://dpaste.de/mRzX |
| 16:28.29 | greycat | Really? You get all of LC_NUMERIC and LC_TIME and so on from env?! |
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| 16:28.34 | greycat | That is highly unusual. |
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| 16:29.08 | G1eb | uhm, might have exported them by mistake when copy/pasting a minute ago |
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| 16:29.22 | greycat | Start a clean shell and try again. |
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| 16:29.34 | G1eb | okay |
| 16:29.56 | G1eb | nah still the same, weird |
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| 16:30.12 | greycat | What shell are you working in, and how are these variables getting set? |
| 16:30.39 | G1eb | that's what I think too, that they get reset somehow |
| 16:30.53 | G1eb | i mean, whats the best way to check which shell it is? |
| 16:30.57 | greycat | They are NOT normall all set. |
| 16:30.58 | G1eb | it think it's just bash |
| 16:31.01 | greycat | ps -p $$ |
| 16:31.16 | G1eb | cmd is bash |
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| 16:31.33 | greycat | declare -p LANG "${!LC_*}" |
| 16:31.45 | G1eb | isn't it strange that when I do locale -a it prints en_US.utf8 instead of en_US.UTF-8 |
| 16:31.53 | greycat | Everything you have said is strange. |
| 16:32.12 | G1eb | then I get this https://dpaste.de/FNfn |
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| 16:32.31 | G1eb | L/ |
| 16:32.33 | G1eb | :/ |
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| 16:33.00 | sm00th | I did dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia |
| 16:33.08 | sm00th | but even though i'm puring all that stuff its still there |
| 16:33.39 | greycat | Oh, I screwed that command slightly. It should have been: declare -p LANG "${!LC_@}" |
| 16:33.41 | sm00th | oh maybe i have to do autoremove |
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| 16:34.11 | G1eb | greycat, omg, https://dpaste.de/H7dH |
| 16:34.13 | G1eb | wuuutt |
| 16:34.44 | greycat | G1eb: yeah, those are actually present in your shell's environment. For some reason. Trick now is to learn why. |
| 16:34.50 | G1eb | Im in with mosh! that just works ffs |
| 16:35.07 | G1eb | wow, that's weird, let me grep locale in bashrc |
| 16:35.08 | greycat | Maybe mosh is setting them. |
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| 16:35.45 | G1eb | hmm, wouldnt that be an issue for other processes? or you mean mosh hijacked locale command |
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| 16:36.04 | greycat | I am not familiar with mosh. It's some kind of ssh wrapper, right? |
| 16:36.11 | G1eb | sooo strange, but I guess that's another issue now, mosh connection works :) I'm really happe |
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| 16:36.13 | G1eb | happy |
| 16:36.19 | G1eb | crappy connections suck in here |
| 16:36.24 | G1eb | thank you so much!! :D |
| 16:36.58 | G1eb | yeah, mosh is a wrapper for ssh, it makes your connection seem realtime |
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| 16:37.12 | G1eb | useful when you do lots of vim over bad connections |
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| 16:37.50 | greycat | Well, ssh will generally permit the LANG and LC_* variables to be passed from client to server, so if the client is setting them.... |
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| 16:38.28 | G1eb | thing is that mosh requires both client and server to have LC_CTYPE setting be UTF-8 based |
| 16:38.41 | G1eb | i read that here https://github.com/mobile-shell/mosh/issues/311 |
| 16:38.44 | greycat | Tracking down where a variable came from is not easy. |
| 16:38.55 | G1eb | can't agree more |
| 16:39.07 | greycat | #bash may have some tips, but that'll only get you as far back as the launching of bash. If it's coming from the client on a whole 'nother system, that's a matter #bash will not be able to help w ith. |
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| 16:39.12 | G1eb | can imagine it feels like a superpower for some people when they are good at that |
| 16:39.42 | G1eb | yeah, I understand, #bash was just my first guess :) |
| 16:39.48 | G1eb | thanks for directing me here |
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| 16:42.23 | sm00th | ok finally |
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| 16:48.36 | greycat | G1eb: One final note, the reason everything is breaking is because of this particular variable: declare -x LC_ALL="C" |
| 16:48.40 | greycat | That overrides everything else. |
| 16:49.17 | dAnjou | hi, we have backports enabled on our jessie server and i was able to install python-systemd without explicitly telling apt-get to use backports. this shouldn't be possible. i checked for pinnings but there's no preferences file and nothing in preferences.d. where else should i check? |
| 16:49.51 | G1eb | greycat really |
| 16:49.59 | G1eb | hm, I needed that for something |
| 16:50.25 | greycat | LC_ALL overrides everything, and LANG is the default for the ones that are not otherwise set. So it's like LC_ALL >> everything else >> LANG |
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| 16:50.43 | G1eb | interesting, it was in my bash rc for some reason |
| 16:50.57 | G1eb | well, that explains |
| 16:52.18 | greycat | The usual way this is done is to set LANG to your preferred locale, and then set individual LC_* variables if needed for a specific reason. Don't use LC_ALL unless it's in a script or something, and you want to totally override the user's locale so you get the output you need from some utility. |
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| 16:53.57 | greycat | On my HP-UX box I have LANG="en_US.iso88591" and LC_TIME="POSIX" |
| 16:54.41 | greycat | I did this because the output of date(1) is incredibly weird: |
| 16:54.46 | greycat | imadev:~$ LC_TIME=en_US.iso88591 date |
| 16:54.46 | greycat | Fri, Jun 17, 2016 12:54:19 PM |
| 16:55.25 | greycat | imadev:~$ LC_TIME=POSIX date |
| 16:55.25 | greycat | Fri Jun 17 12:55:22 EDT 2016 |
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| 16:56.27 | nacc | greycat: incredibly weird meaning commas? :) |
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| 16:56.42 | greycat | The commas, and the 12 hour notation, and the reordering of the fields. |
| 16:56.55 | greycat | And the omission of the time zone abbreviation. |
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| 16:58.26 | nacc | greycat: yeah, i guess it's noticeably different |
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| 16:59.13 | sm00th | dam after all that it failed to build module :( |
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| 17:02.37 | G1eb | greycat good stuff |
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| 17:02.53 | G1eb | thanks for explaining that :) |
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| 17:09.33 | user234 | It's possible to somehow configure terminal, that after Xtimes of same output crtl+x would be pressed ? |
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| 17:10.50 | sm00th | anybody have any luck install nvidia prop drivers with a grsec kernel? |
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| 17:12.06 | allure | Problems upgrading... http://paste.debian.net/739867/ -- Could anyone help me to fix this? |
| 17:13.56 | somiaj | allure: can you share the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
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| 17:15.40 | allure | somiaj: sure... here you go: http://paste.debian.net/739868/ |
| 17:15.51 | somiaj | allure: that looks like the stable version. Maybe it is corrupt, try to delete that file in /var/apt/archives/ then redownload it |
| 17:16.06 | greycat | that's /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 17:16.20 | somiaj | thanks greycat |
| 17:16.26 | allure | somiaj: I've done that with dconf2* |
| 17:16.33 | allure | didn't solve the problem, unfortunately :( |
| 17:16.47 | allure | gconf2** |
| 17:17.04 | somiaj | allure: try a different mirror. And you may want to use 'jessie' over 'stable' in your soruces.list |
| 17:17.21 | allure | somiaj: ok, I will |
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| 17:21.25 | allure | somiaj: same deal... :/ |
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| 17:22.26 | somiaj | allure: that seems weird to me, don't know why a stable package woudl have such an error. I do notice it talks about a directory /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/ but unsure what this directory is |
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| 17:22.48 | sm00th | I give up, I think the patch is broken. |
| 17:23.16 | allure | somiaj: it is temporary, I guess, since it does not exist now |
| 17:24.13 | allure | if I use file to test it, I get: /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/control: ERROR: cannot open `/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/control' (No such file or directory) |
| 17:24.32 | greycat | well obviously if it doesn't exist, you're going to get that |
| 17:24.42 | allure | yeah |
| 17:24.49 | somiaj | allure: yea that is what I thought since I don't have it on my system. The part that seems strange to me is you are getting this error in stable. |
| 17:25.12 | allure | somiaj: I am trying to upgrade an old box, that might be it |
| 17:25.24 | somiaj | allure: from what version of debian? |
| 17:25.36 | allure | somiaj: 6 |
| 17:25.46 | somiaj | allure: you can't skip releases, did you upgrade to wheezy first? |
| 17:25.47 | greycat | *blink* |
| 17:26.06 | allure | no, I didnt change the sources and tried apt-get upgrade first |
| 17:26.10 | allure | it broke on the same thing |
| 17:26.13 | allure | then I tried dist-upgrade |
| 17:26.15 | allure | same... |
| 17:26.20 | greycat | allure: you have to upgrade to wheezy, then to jessie. |
| 17:26.48 | allure | greycat: ok, I will do that then. Thank you and somiaj |
| 17:27.04 | greycat | Hopefully you didn't permanently muck it up so that it can't upgrade to wheezy. :( |
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| 17:27.30 | allure | has it's fingers crossed |
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| 17:39.30 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 17:39.38 | sm00th | Hi!! |
| 17:39.46 | taylan | with android-tools-adb I can't detect my Nexus 5 in 'adb devices'. USB debugging is enabled on the device, and I tried kill-server/start-server. anyone have experience with this? |
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| 17:40.35 | sm00th | taylan, does it mount normally in debian without adb? |
| 17:40.40 | fredl | hmm quite some things seem changed with PHP in jessie as well |
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| 17:41.14 | taylan | sm00th: hm, which device would I mount from /dev? |
| 17:41.28 | fredl | I'm trying again to get roundcube to work but I'm not sure if Apache PHP did or didn't load pdo_mysql |
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| 17:42.06 | fredl | on https://webmail.3dn.nl/t.php it *looks* like it did, as it says it pars /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/20-pdo_mysql.inied |
| 17:42.32 | fredl | however, I don't see pdo_mysql in the Loaded modules list |
| 17:42.37 | sm00th | taylan, i never used it on debian, wonder if you have to make a udev rule |
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| 17:42.50 | taylan | indeed, probably something like that |
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| 17:43.18 | fredl | jelly, would you mind having a look at my phpinfo() ? |
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| 17:44.13 | fredl | I did find php5enmod pdo_mysql but it doesn't tell me anything |
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| 17:46.00 | taylan | sm00th: yup, this did it: http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/75-debian/280-debian-wheezy-android-tools-adb-fastboot-qtadb |
| 17:46.19 | jelly | fredl: restart apache if you're using mod_php |
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| 17:46.30 | fredl | I did that |
| 17:46.32 | sm00th | taylan, sweet |
| 17:47.09 | fredl | jelly, shouldn't it show the pdo_mysql in the 'Loaded Modules' list though? |
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| 17:48.03 | jelly | fredl: unsure, I did not work with pdo_* stuff a lot |
| 17:48.16 | fredl | hmm, k |
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| 17:50.36 | fredl | ah, I understand, what I see under 'Loaded Modules' is about Apache, not about PHP |
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| 17:52.45 | qis | Is there a way to configure sshd so that an SSH session is automatically closed when I execute halt -p like on FreeBSD? |
| 17:53.08 | jelly | fredl: yeah, my phpinfo shows a PDO section and pdo_mysql section that you seem to be missing |
| 17:53.20 | qis | I'm always stuck with an ssh that waits for a timeout. |
| 17:53.57 | fredl | jelly, I'm trying to weed out some stuff now that may be leftover from my wheezy install, I had implemented the php5enmod mechanism myself at some point |
| 17:54.00 | jelly | fredl: and a /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/10-pdo.ini |
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| 17:54.25 | jelly | so make sure pdo extension is active |
| 17:54.51 | fredl | you have that file on yours? |
| 17:54.58 | jelly | right |
| 17:55.13 | fredl | don't know which pkg that's in then, apt-file doesn't find it |
| 17:55.18 | jelly | but this is still wheezy |
| 17:55.23 | fredl | ahh ok |
| 17:55.26 | somiaj | qis: when I use shutdown -h now, my termainls get closed (if I recall correctly, I do this rarely) |
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| 17:55.33 | fredl | can you run a dpkg -S on it plz? |
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| 17:55.43 | jelly | fredl: those are all symlinks |
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| 17:57.02 | fredl | aha php -m to the rescue |
| 17:57.13 | fredl | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20131226/pdo_mysql.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20131226/pdo_mysql.so: undefined symbol: pdo_parse_params in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 17:58.51 | qis | somiaj: Nevermind, I found the corresponding bug #751636 from 2014. Looks like it won't be fixed, ever. People prefer dirty workarounds. |
| 17:58.52 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/751636 in openssh-server (open): «ssh sessions are not cleanly terminated on shutdown/restart with systemd»; severity: important; opened: 2014-06-14; last modified: 2016-02-17. |
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| 17:59.41 | greycat | There are lots of things systemd breaks that haven't been fixed yet, because apparently it's Quite Difficult. |
| 18:00.00 | qis | *sigh* |
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| 18:00.13 | qis | You people should have stayed away from it. |
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| 18:00.32 | somiaj | qis: I just tested it with shutdown -h now on a jessie system (vm) with systemd and it worked as expected |
| 18:00.35 | greycat | !jessie sysvinit |
| 18:00.35 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
| 18:02.23 | qis | somiaj: I also tested it on Debian 8 - doesn't work. |
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| 18:03.45 | qis | somiaj: https://s31.postimg.org/mhcy2r7h7/ssh.png |
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| 18:04.58 | somiaj | qis: not saying it isn't a bug, but it seems it doesn't effect all systems. |
| 18:05.22 | sm00th | qis, hmm thats weird |
| 18:05.41 | qis | greycat: This is not very encouraging "Be advised that some packages may have degraded behavior or may be lacking features under a non-default init system." |
| 18:05.47 | fredl | jelly, looks to me like a bug in php5-mysql |
| 18:05.51 | sm00th | I don't ssh into any debian system, but I do to raspian on a rasp pi and it works like it should. |
| 18:06.07 | greycat | qis: Don't know what I can say. Things change. |
| 18:06.24 | greycat | systemd is very new in Debian, and will probably improve over the years to come. |
| 18:06.31 | greycat | Right now it's a bit rough. |
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| 18:06.54 | qis | Any news on when the systemd-free debian fork is going to have a stable release? |
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| 18:07.03 | greycat | You could ask them. |
| 18:07.10 | somiaj | qis: you will have to ask them, this is the place for debian support. |
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| 18:07.16 | qis | Is it a fork or a successor? |
| 18:07.22 | qis | ok |
| 18:07.29 | greycat | A fork. |
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| 18:07.45 | sm00th | systemd does it make it easier to manager services i find though. but it has lots of bugs. |
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| 18:08.16 | greycat | Yeah, I love the process management part (a bit overengineered, but WAY better than sysvinit), but the rest of it... why. Just why. |
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| 18:08.25 | sm00th | ya |
| 18:08.32 | jelly | qis: ask them in #debianfork |
| 18:08.37 | somiaj | systemd has its pros and cons, there is a good email explaining why debian chose to adopt it I can link if anyone is interested, but this isn't the place to debate why systemd is in debian. |
| 18:08.53 | greycat | !why systemd |
| 18:08.53 | dpkg | a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Support for other init systems (sysvinit) will still be present in Debian 8. systemd-shim (in development) will allow userspace requiring some systemd APIs to work without it. |
| 18:08.59 | greycat | That one, I would assume. |
| 18:08.59 | qis | jelly: Not #devuan? both channels look kind of empty. |
| 18:09.03 | somiaj | greycat: correct |
| 18:09.06 | sm00th | somiaj, i wouldn't mind reading that |
| 18:09.14 | somiaj | sm00th: see the link from the bot |
| 18:09.25 | jelly | qis: #devuan is the channel for their developers, #debianfork is for users and chat |
| 18:09.56 | fredl | no love here for systemd :( |
| 18:10.12 | sm00th | I love some things hate others. |
| 18:10.28 | somiaj | fredl: the people who don't mind it are just quiet, so it seems one sided. |
| 18:10.28 | qis | jelly: Thanks for the clarification. |
| 18:10.36 | jelly | systemd is nice, and in 5-10 years it will have a similar amount of workarounds for a billion corner cases just like the old thing |
| 18:10.51 | fredl | well people always complain when something changes somiaj :) |
| 18:10.56 | fredl | it's natural |
| 18:10.56 | jelly | until then, people will keep running into those corner cases all too often |
| 18:11.16 | somiaj | and it is better to try to find a workaround as opposed to complain about it. |
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| 18:11.33 | fredl | I'm not complaining |
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| 18:11.48 | fredl | just saying that from a user perspective there's no love here :) |
| 18:11.50 | jelly | and maybe I'm going to move off sysvinit+daemontools given enough time and lack of laziness |
| 18:12.04 | qis | I suspect that most people don't mind change. Anything but systemd would be nice. Anything that is an init system and not... a windows fork? |
| 18:12.21 | fredl | that said, I installed the mate desktop because I feel GNOME 3 is becoming progressively worse |
| 18:12.22 | jelly | qis: please don't |
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| 18:14.31 | qis | fine =) |
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| 18:15.04 | cruncher | fredl, i dont like systemd either, but we have to live with it |
| 18:15.13 | qis | I'll go back to my usual channels. Looks like my problem is not solvable in a clean way anyway. |
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| 18:16.00 | fredl | well I don't *have to* do anything cruncher :) But yeah the systemd thingie seems to be making inroads into every distro |
| 18:16.02 | sm00th | qis its weird you are having that problem. |
| 18:16.10 | greycat | sm00th: he left |
| 18:16.11 | jelly | sm00th: they're gone |
| 18:16.20 | cruncher | fredl, well, you "have to" if you want to have support |
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| 18:16.42 | fredl | for sysv init I don't need support though :) |
| 18:16.50 | petn-randall | cruncher: As already said, you can run wheezy and jessie completely fine without systemd. |
| 18:16.54 | jelly | there's 2 or 3 workarounds in #751636, if they prefer to pout instead of solving their issue, that's just fine and can be done elsewhere |
| 18:16.55 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/751636 in openssh-server (open): «ssh sessions are not cleanly terminated on shutdown/restart with systemd»; severity: important; opened: 2014-06-14; last modified: 2016-02-17. |
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| 18:17.18 | fredl | but be that as may be, somebody will put an API into systemd and make the whole distro dependent on it, sort of like an evolution data server :P |
| 18:17.20 | cruncher | petn-randall, yes, but for how long.. someday we all have to switch to systemd apparently |
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| 18:17.58 | jelly | fredl: I would not mind that at all if they cared to define stable APIs. |
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| 18:18.32 | fredl | jelly, just reading this article because of this discussion http://www.zdnet.com/article/i-hate-unity-i-hate-gnome-i-hate-windows-8-the-ultimate-desktop-search-continues/ |
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| 18:18.35 | petn-randall | cruncher: As long as there are enough technical people interested in supporting sysv init, it will still be there. But it seems as though many people complain, but most people don't want to support sysv init anymore. |
| 18:18.37 | fredl | makes me chuckle |
| 18:19.05 | fredl | I'm telling ya, Microsoft has embraced evolution, gnome 3, unity and systemd |
| 18:19.06 | cruncher | petn-randall, ok, last time i mentioned something like this i got the answer "just dont expect much sympathy when you need support" |
| 18:19.17 | fredl | anyway, off-topic |
| 18:19.21 | cruncher | true |
| 18:19.24 | jelly | #debian-offtopic |
| 18:19.35 | petn-randall | cruncher: Did you rant on about systemd before asking your question? If yes, that's the usual response. |
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| 18:19.50 | sm00th | jelly, ah |
| 18:19.51 | petn-randall | Yeah, let's move it over, sorry. |
| 18:19.53 | cruncher | petn-randall, no, i never rant about anything :) |
| 18:20.04 | cruncher | true |
| 18:20.05 | sm00th | I wonder now if raspian uses systemd |
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| 18:20.54 | somiaj | sm00th: this of course is not the place to ask about raspbian's plans |
| 18:20.58 | magyar_ | hi, I'm trying to install amd64 packages over the 686 and getting these errors >> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/380737/14661875/ |
| 18:21.18 | sm00th | somiaj, lol i was waiting for you to say that |
| 18:22.28 | greycat | magyar: the only supported way to move from i386 to amd64 is a reinstall |
| 18:23.00 | magyar | greycat: >> https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading |
| 18:24.03 | greycat | "A full backup is also strongly recommended as this procedure is still very much work in progress. Reinstalling is still the safer option. You have been warned!" |
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| 18:30.27 | jelly | be brave, crossgrade to x32! |
| 18:30.30 | jelly | hides |
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| 19:03.38 | sm00th | i'm trying to load this gui app with sudo but it tells me cannot connect to X server, do i need gksudo or something? |
| 19:04.14 | sm00th | ya that did it |
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| 19:05.44 | mtn | sm00th: never run gui apps with sudo. never. |
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| 19:06.41 | sm00th | mtn, its for pgl |
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| 19:07.10 | mtn | smonchi: what does that mean? |
| 19:07.32 | sm00th | peerguardian |
| 19:08.03 | mtn | sm00th: if it is a gui app, never use sudo. you ruin your permissions/ownership |
| 19:08.12 | sm00th | I use it to click with mouse to temp allow ip addresses on the fly |
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| 19:08.33 | mtn | sm00th: do you not understand what I am saying? |
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| 19:08.42 | somiaj | It will expose you to more exploits, though there are gui admin tools that require it (for some strange reason). as for gksudo vs sudo, gksudo doens't clean the enivorment up as much as sudo so it can more sucsefully run gui apps as root. |
| 19:09.02 | sm00th | i have no choice |
| 19:09.09 | greycat | If an admin tool has to be run as root, and requires X, then there are ways to make it run, but they're all hacks. |
| 19:09.23 | greycat | If you found one that works, fine, use that. |
| 19:09.39 | mtn | sm00th: you can use gksudo can't you? |
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| 19:09.49 | sm00th | thats what i just said I did |
| 19:10.08 | rattking | 'xhost +' might allow it to connect to the x server.. but the folks above are correct about permissions getting messed up.. meaning files in your home dir may end up being owned by root |
| 19:10.18 | mtn | sm00th: you just said you had no choice but to use sudo. you do have a choice. gksudo, which is the correct way to do it |
| 19:10.22 | greycat | NEVER USE xhost + |
| 19:10.27 | greycat | That is not one of the valid choices. |
| 19:10.35 | greycat | Use ANYTHING else. |
| 19:10.49 | sm00th | sudo didn't work. so now i'm using gksudo |
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| 19:11.05 | rattking | on a single user system whats the problem? |
| 19:11.13 | greycat | Single user systems usually sit on a network. |
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| 19:11.24 | somiaj | sm00th: that is because sudo cleans the enviorment (including info about the xdisplay) before running. gksudo doesn't clean out the info about x in the enviorment. |
| 19:11.27 | greycat | xhost + lets the entire network control your X session |
| 19:11.52 | rattking | oh yeah that not good |
| 19:12.25 | greycat | !root x |
| 19:12.25 | dpkg | If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>! (For wheezy, you can also try <sux>) |
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| 19:13.00 | sm00th | ya i just installed gksu |
| 19:13.13 | sm00th | and used gksudo, here is a question. whats better gksu or gksudo? |
| 19:13.39 | petn-randall | sm00th: Look at both, and decide which works better for you. |
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| 19:14.01 | sm00th | petn-randall, not sure what you mean |
| 19:14.05 | sm00th | which is more secure? |
| 19:14.23 | somiaj | sm00th: it is the su vs sudo case. I wouldn't say one is more secure than another. |
| 19:14.58 | sm00th | it some distros it defaults to one or the other anyways, i'm guessing debian doesn't so there might be an actual difference. |
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| 19:15.05 | taylan | grr, I need adb 1.0.32 but debian has exactly 1.0.31 -_- |
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| 19:16.14 | somiaj | sm00th: http://askubuntu.com/questions/21033/what-is-the-difference-between-gksudo-and-gksu -- might apply to debian |
| 19:16.29 | sm00th | ubuntu is one of those distros that default to sudo I think |
| 19:16.38 | petn-randall | sm00th: The difference is that some people prefer the one over the other. What I mean is install both, look what you like more, and use that. |
| 19:16.48 | sm00th | petn-randall, gksudo comes with gksu package |
| 19:16.57 | somiaj | well they are both part of the same package, it is just a matter of how root permisions are obtained. |
| 19:17.45 | somiaj | taylan: what is the package name, the only adb I'm seeing are in testing/unstable and are version 6.0.1 (I don' tsee any versions in stable) |
| 19:17.59 | taylan | somiaj: android-tools-adb |
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| 19:18.32 | sm00th | somiaj, in ubuntu i beleve gksu default to gksudo |
| 19:18.55 | somiaj | sm00th: I bet the same is links in debian as well. It is a matter on if you login(1) as root then run the app, or just run the app as root. |
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| 19:19.13 | somiaj | taylan: I am still not seeing the version you mentioned |
| 19:19.16 | sm00th | ya probably same thing. |
| 19:19.20 | somiaj | ,v andriod-tools-adb |
| 19:19.21 | judd | No package named 'andriod-tools-adb' was found in amd64. |
| 19:19.31 | somiaj | ,v android-tools-adb |
| 19:19.32 | judd | Package: android-tools-adb on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 4.2.2+git20130529-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.2.2+git20130529-5.1; sid: 5.1.1.r29-2 |
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| 19:19.53 | taylan | oh, the version reported by 'adb version' is probably unrelated to the debian package version |
| 19:20.25 | taylan | anyway I found some executable online... yeah, I'm down to the level of running ELF executables I download with my browser now ;_; |
| 19:20.25 | somiaj | taylan: okay, I don't know the software, but usually the debian version should match the upstream version (with then debian revsions attached) |
| 19:20.34 | somiaj | ,check-backport adb |
| 19:20.40 | judd | Backporting package adb in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: android-libext4-utils-dev (>= 6.0.1+r16-2) [amd64 i386] <!stage1>, android-libf2fs-utils-dev (>= 6.0.1+r16-2) [amd64 i386] <!stage1>, android-libunwind-dev (>= 6.0.1+r16-3) [amd64 i386] <!stage1>, android-platform-build-headers (>= 1:6.0.1+r16~), libsafe-iop-dev [amd64 i386] <!stage1>. |
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| 19:20.52 | taylan | at least it werks now. cyanogenmod is being installed to my device. |
| 19:20.57 | somiaj | taylan: it looks like it won't be an easy package to backport. |
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| 19:21.43 | taylan | yaay, it boots into cyanogenmod. cute blue droid head. |
| 19:21.51 | kfogel | somiaj: Your instructions from yesterday worked perfectly -- my bootable USB is now installing Debian GNU/Linux on a new computer. Thanks for your help. |
| 19:21.59 | somiaj | kfogel: glad it worked. |
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| 19:25.47 | sm00th | another gui app I run as root is etherape |
| 19:25.57 | sm00th | its probably very vulnerable since its deprecated as well lol |
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| 19:53.55 | fredl | hmm it looks like /usr/lib/php5/20131226/pdo_mysql.so needs a 'linux-vdso.so.1 |
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| 19:55.09 | greycat | Search packages.debian.org for packages containing this file? |
| 19:55.22 | fredl | I ued apt-file, it can't find it |
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| 19:56.02 | fredl | I wonder if that causes the error PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20131226/pdo_mysql.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20131226/pdo_mysql.so: undefined symbol: pdo_parse_params in Unknown on line 0 |
| 19:56.08 | fredl | doesn't seem likely though |
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| 19:58.23 | greycat | $ ldd /bin/ls |
| 19:58.23 | greycat | linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffcf0bda000) |
| 19:58.31 | greycat | I'm ... not sure what is happening here. |
| 19:58.54 | sharkman | i took my computer in to a shop to fix broken hinge on the laptop. they did a system boot, but i dont think logged into my account. can they access my files from a system boot? |
| 19:59.04 | greycat | There is a vdso(7) man page too. |
| 19:59.08 | fredl | I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with the pdo_mysql error message greycat |
| 19:59.08 | sharkman | could they install key logging software from a system boot? |
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| 19:59.44 | greycat | If they are black-hat linux experts, yes, conceivably. |
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| 20:00.10 | sharkman | greycat so they would have to be high level to do it? these guys are just normal computer guys i have no reason to believe they are experts |
| 20:00.37 | greycat | Your odds are good. |
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| 20:01.19 | sharkman | when i got the computer, it was turned off, and turned it on ater 2:30 pm so why when i run the "last" command do i see this |
| 20:01.19 | sharkman | reboot system boot 4.5.0-1-amd64 Fri Jun 17 11:32 still running |
| 20:01.40 | sharkman | why is it marked as still running, from a system boot that took place hours ago |
| 20:01.51 | greycat | They probably powered it off. |
| 20:01.51 | sharkman | reboot system boot 4.5.0-1-amd64 Fri Jun 17 14:52 still running |
| 20:01.59 | sharkman | ohhh |
| 20:02.35 | sharkman | so the system thinks it is booted concurrently now cause they powered it off? |
| 20:02.49 | greycat | An unclean power-off wouldn't write an entry into wtmp. |
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| 20:03.34 | sharkman | sorry another question, what is a system boot in the first place? |
| 20:03.49 | greycat | An entry written into wtmp saying "Hi, I was booted at this time" |
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| 20:17.31 | magyar | hi, is there a way to do a netboot from a debian DVD? |
| 20:17.37 | magyar | sorry net install |
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| 20:23.13 | greycat | Net install is the normal way you install. Just pop it in and go. |
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| 20:24.05 | greycat | A "netinst" image is simply an image that has this and nothing more. Larger images have some additional packages included on the medium, which *might* save a bit of bandwidth, except for when those packages have been updated on the mirrors and you ignore the medium anyway. |
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| 20:24.47 | mrproper | Is it recommended to upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie or is that ridden with danger? |
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| 20:25.26 | greycat | I wouldn't say "ridden with danger", but you should certainly be aware of what is going to change. |
| 20:25.35 | buu | Ok, low level memory poking time |
| 20:25.49 | buu | If I do: pmap $PID; and it returns total 31868K |
| 20:25.54 | mrproper | greycat: Is there some sort of upgrade guide? |
| 20:26.03 | buu | That means my $PID has requested 31megs from the operating system? |
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| 20:26.32 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 20:26.49 | greycat | replace i386 with amd64 if you want to |
| 20:26.50 | buu | But linux will share .so allocations between all running processes? |
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| 20:28.16 | buu | Why do all shared libs seem to require: 00007fa2f1cff000 2044K ----- libc-2.19.so |
| 20:29.08 | greycat | Because damned near every program links with libc. |
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| 20:29.18 | buu | But why specifically 2044k? |
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| 20:31.06 | nacc | buu: i assume that it's size? |
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| 20:32.10 | greycat | "No standards apply, but pmap looks an awful lot like a SunOS command." ... um, gee, uh.... |
| 20:32.12 | buu | nacc: Well I mean, every single .so file reports 2044k |
| 20:32.26 | buu | greycat: I'll take suggestions! |
| 20:32.41 | jelly | greycat: unlike pgrep or pkill! |
| 20:33.04 | nacc | buu: for libc-2.19.so ? |
| 20:33.28 | buu | nacc: I mean libc, libm, libperl, libcrypt.. |
| 20:33.42 | greycat | My bash ($$) process map has 4 instances of libc-2.19.so with 4 different sizes and different strings of symbols that vaguely look like ls -l file permissions. |
| 20:33.58 | greycat | The man page does not say what a process map IS or how to read this output. |
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| 20:34.24 | nacc | greycat: are you asking? i can tell you... |
| 20:34.38 | nacc | assumes pmap is just looking at /proc/<pid>/maps |
| 20:35.18 | buu | This is true |
| 20:37.34 | jelly | buu: presumably amd64 uses 2M-sized pages, and this is simply the minimum size of a map for an amd64 library loaded by ld.so |
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| 20:38.15 | jelly | buu: find a running process that uses a library larger than 2MiB on disk, maybe |
| 20:39.12 | buu | jelly: Ok |
| 20:39.40 | buu | https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/LinuxMemoryStats |
| 20:39.41 | jelly | 00007f544b9dc000 17172K r-x-- libpepflashplayer.so |
| 20:39.42 | buu | This is a thing |
| 20:40.23 | nacc | jelly: nice catch |
| 20:41.03 | jelly | not really |
| 20:41.47 | jelly | the mapping buu's asking about isn't marked executable or readable. I honestly have no idea what it does |
| 20:41.57 | ByteStorm | jelly is there any video recording software for debian ??? |
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| 20:43.03 | jelly | probably??? |
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| 20:43.36 | Hijiri | like screen recording? |
| 20:43.36 | greycat | Don't ask specific people for answers to a question that should be addressed to the whole channel. |
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| 20:44.20 | ByteStorm | srry |
| 20:44.32 | buu | Hijiri: ffmpeg |
| 20:44.45 | ByteStorm | yeah whole screen recording...like video capturing app |
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| 20:45.32 | buu | sorry |
| 20:45.36 | buu | ByteStorm: ffmpeg |
| 20:45.43 | ByteStorm | ffmpeg is a library.... |
| 20:45.49 | ByteStorm | c++ lib |
| 20:46.11 | Hijiri | there's also the program ffmpeg |
| 20:46.18 | ByteStorm | ah |
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| 20:53.04 | arrrrrrrgh | Hello. I just did a minimal Debian install (lxde) and I'm having some trouble getting my wifi card to show up under interfaces. Any clues? :P |
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| 20:54.53 | arrrrrrrgh | It looks like the system didn't load the kernel driver for it, which is strange, because when I made a (foolish) attempt to install Arch Linux, wifi worked just fine |
| 20:55.11 | greycat | Start by installing the nonfree firmware, if you haven't done that yet. |
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| 20:55.31 | bgardner | arrrrrrrgh: I had something similar with an install recently and as greycat says it was nonfree firmware missing in my case. |
| 20:55.46 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, you may need a non-free driver for your wifi card |
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| 20:56.00 | greycat | (assuming your device is one that uses nonfree firmware, which most wifi cards do, sadly) |
| 20:56.21 | dAnjou | 18:49:16 <dAnjou> hi, we have backports enabled on our jessie server and i was able to install python-systemd without explicitly telling apt-get to use backports. this shouldn't be possible. i checked for pinnings but there's no preferences file and nothing in preferences.d. where else should i check? |
| 20:56.28 | arrrrrrrgh | Where do I find this fancy non-free driver, do you reckon? |
| 20:56.56 | greycat | package name firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 20:57.08 | arrrrrrrgh | Hm, apt search didn't find it last time I checked, but I'll try again |
| 20:57.09 | greycat | you'll have to enable contrib non-free in your sources.list if you haven't already done so |
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| 20:57.38 | arrrrrrrgh | I found it now :P Clearly I just mistyped it |
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| 21:00.40 | arrrrrrrgh | Nope, I found the free one. What is the source for "nonfree" things? |
| 21:01.55 | abrotman | dpkg: tell arrrrrrrgh about non-free |
| 21:02.34 | arrrrrrrgh | Google told me, I'm making progress |
| 21:02.58 | arrrrrrrgh | Will it load in automatically on boot or will I need to do fancy things? |
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| 21:03.44 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, firmware-linux-nonfree may not include the driver you really need . what says lspci | grep -i wireless ? |
| 21:04.29 | arrrrrrrgh | I imagine if it worked on Arch Linux it probably includes the driver, no? |
| 21:04.29 | SuperTramp83 | arrrrrrrgh, you may also (if you mybe think proprietary firmware is bad) buy an atheros wifi adapter which works without blobs for like 5 bucks |
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| 21:05.25 | arrrrrrrgh | I'm not sure such a thing would be convenient, though I agree with the sentiment that firmware should be open source |
| 21:05.35 | arrrrrrrgh | Even if for no other reason than security |
| 21:05.41 | SuperTramp83 | ^ |
| 21:07.32 | arrrrrrrgh | I'm really a Windows user, but after Windows 10 started doing ... strange ... things, like not telling me what updates include, not giving me choices about when to update, and constantly beaming information "home" I decided mayyyybe I should get used to developing on Linux. :P |
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| 21:08.35 | simonlnu | good choice. a lot easier too, and cheaper, even when making donations. |
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| 21:08.42 | SuperTramp83 | arrrrrrrgh, I actually read their privacy policy for win 10, recommended read |
| 21:09.17 | arrrrrrrgh | I'm not sure I have that kind of time or energy |
| 21:09.28 | kejsi564 | Hi, im missing a driver its called brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw |
| 21:09.34 | arrrrrrrgh | That sounds like a great driver. |
| 21:09.46 | kejsi564 | yes |
| 21:09.47 | kejsi564 | wifi |
| 21:09.51 | kejsi564 | not working |
| 21:09.57 | simonlnu | that's firmware, not a driver (kernel module) |
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| 21:10.03 | kejsi564 | yes |
| 21:10.05 | simonlnu | !bcm43xx |
| 21:10.05 | dpkg | b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>. |
| 21:10.07 | arrrrrrrgh | awwal: Network Controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 (rev3a) |
| 21:10.17 | simonlnu | kejsi564: ^^^ |
| 21:10.33 | kejsi564 | ok so its Network Controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 (rev3a) |
| 21:10.38 | kejsi564 | where can i download this |
| 21:10.47 | simonlnu | read that ^^^ |
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| 21:11.05 | arrrrrrrgh | kejsi564: I wasn't talking to you :P |
| 21:11.11 | arrrrrrrgh | kejsi564: I have my own wifi problems :( |
| 21:11.16 | jhutchins | !8260 |
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| 21:11.26 | arrrrrrrgh | SURPRISINGLY, this runs automatically on Arch, I have no clue how they pulled that one off |
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| 21:11.42 | simonlnu | they include firmware in their kernels |
| 21:11.54 | simonlnu | they don't remove it, rather. |
| 21:11.54 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: Figure out what driver they use. Intell is mostly the unified driver these days, but it could be too new. |
| 21:11.59 | kejsi564 | it says |
| 21:12.01 | kejsi564 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:12.10 | kejsi564 | well the wifi is not working |
| 21:12.11 | arrrrrrrgh | So it may actually be *easier* to install Arch than Debian in this case? :P |
| 21:12.18 | arrrrrrrgh | Something has gone horribly wrong :P |
| 21:12.28 | simonlnu | no |
| 21:12.36 | simonlnu | goes AFK |
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| 21:13.45 | arrrrrrrgh | I think arch might be a safer bet for real life technology than my vms (which I usually run debian minimal or ubuntu server on) :( |
| 21:13.46 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: Some of the derivatives are easier to install or to get odd hardware working; they have their own problems that make a little extra effort for Debian worth while. |
| 21:14.12 | kejsi564 | jhutchins hi |
| 21:14.23 | kejsi564 | i runned into another problem |
| 21:14.26 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: If you use lspci -nn you can get the pciid, which judd can find the driver for. |
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| 21:15.28 | arrrrrrrgh | jhutchins: Is it on the form "wxyz:abcd" in hex? |
| 21:15.50 | jhutchins | kejsi564: I see. Read the docs on the cutter. |
| 21:15.56 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: Yes. |
| 21:16.14 | arrrrrrrgh | How do I obtain the driver for it? |
| 21:16.27 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: Like a USB ID that's <manufacturer>:<device> |
| 21:16.39 | arrrrrrrgh | Also, is it sad or hilarious that lxde Debian uses less RAM than my phone's operating system? |
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| 21:16.41 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: Post the id here, I'll show you. |
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| 21:16.56 | arrrrrrrgh | 8086:24f3 |
| 21:17.09 | jhutchins | ,pciid 8086:24f3 |
| 21:17.10 | judd | [8086:24f3] is 'Wireless 8260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:24f3 |
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| 21:17.40 | arrrrrrrgh | There's no driver. D: |
| 21:17.43 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: I'm not sure I trust that. |
| 21:17.58 | nacc | that seems odd, neither of those are wireless drivers (afaik) |
| 21:18.39 | arrrrrrrgh | Oh god, I'm going to have to use ndiswrapper for this, aren't I? |
| 21:18.55 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: iwlwifi |
| 21:19.01 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: Nope, supported. |
| 21:19.17 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 21:19.24 | arrrrrrrgh | Got it, installed it |
| 21:19.28 | arrrrrrrgh | I really like apt's search feature |
| 21:19.29 | sm00th | arrrrrrrgh, https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 21:19.36 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, found the driver you need yet or not? |
| 21:19.41 | sm00th | jhutchins, oh you beat me |
| 21:19.43 | arrrrrrrgh | awwal: Good question :P |
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| 21:19.53 | awwal | yes or no? |
| 21:20.05 | arrrrrrrgh | I really don't know if I have it or not, I just installed iwlwifi |
| 21:20.11 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: "Non-free firmware is required, which can be provided by installing the firmware-iwlwifi package." |
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| 21:20.26 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: You will probably need to enable non-free in your sources.list |
| 21:20.30 | arrrrrrrgh | I did |
| 21:20.31 | awwal | firmware-iwlwifi is what you need I guess yes |
| 21:20.39 | awwal | reboot is needed |
| 21:20.47 | arrrrrrrgh | On it |
| 21:20.50 | awwal | for load the driver |
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| 21:21.05 | jhutchins | awwal: Sometimes you can load it with modprobe. |
| 21:21.08 | arrrrrrrgh | One day I'm going to test Minix, just to be thrilled by never having to reboot for drivers |
| 21:21.08 | awwal | no need to install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 21:21.22 | awwal | juhutchins, probably yeah |
| 21:21.36 | jhutchins | awwal: THat's just a bundle instead of the specific firmware. |
| 21:22.03 | arrrrrrrgh | The bundle didn't help me, so hopefully this will :P |
| 21:22.18 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: If you know the right sequence, you can manage the drivers without rebooting, but these days it's quicker than figureing it out. |
| 21:22.27 | arrrrrrrgh | Yeah I have an SSD anyway |
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| 21:22.39 | arrrrrrrgh | The most time-requiring thing about the process is typing in my encryption password |
| 21:22.46 | arrrrrrrgh | I opted for "long encryption password, easy login password" |
| 21:23.13 | arrrrrrrgh | Turns out typing 40+ characters with perfect accuracy without seeing any of them can be tricky |
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| 21:23.53 | sm00th | wow 40 is alot lol |
| 21:23.54 | arrrrrrrgh | I don't think the driver loaded |
| 21:23.56 | awwal | jhutchins, seems that firmware linux nonfree doesn't include iwlwifi stuff |
| 21:24.01 | arrrrrrrgh | :| |
| 21:24.20 | arrrrrrrgh | Hm, no, the driver is loaded |
| 21:24.27 | arrrrrrrgh | Or is it, brb |
| 21:24.54 | awwal | you have installed firmware-iwlwifi, right? |
| 21:25.31 | arrrrrrrgh | I have |
| 21:25.39 | arrrrrrrgh | But it didn't load according to lspci-k |
| 21:25.58 | arrrrrrrgh | s/"lspci"/"lspci " |
| 21:26.19 | awwal | reboot |
| 21:26.23 | arrrrrrrgh | I did |
| 21:26.50 | awwal | wicd or nm? |
| 21:27.14 | arrrrrrrgh | Doubt I have nm, I'm running lxde |
| 21:27.52 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: dmesg | less, search (/firmware) |
| 21:27.52 | awwal | task-desktop-lxde ? |
| 21:28.02 | awwal | not sure if it include wicd or nm |
| 21:28.18 | jhutchins | wicd is pretty close to deprecated these days. |
| 21:28.43 | awwal | i have a better connection using wicd then nm |
| 21:28.54 | awwal | almost when with wi-fi |
| 21:28.56 | jhutchins | awwal: Unsual, but not unheardof. |
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| 21:29.12 | jhutchins | aw |
| 21:29.33 | jhutchins | awwal: The one laptop I tried wicd on it couldn't even see the NIC. |
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| 21:30.00 | jhutchins | awwal: What release? 8? |
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| 21:30.16 | awwal | jhutchins, I use wicd in my laptop and in all my VM's and all fine |
| 21:30.24 | arrrrrrrgh | I'm running wicd |
| 21:30.39 | jhutchins | arrrrrrrgh: You can have nm with lxde. I don't remember which applet it is, I have it on xfce. THere's also a cli applet. |
| 21:30.57 | arrrrrrrgh | I'm not preoccupied with looking at my wifi signal in the corner of the screen :P |
| 21:31.01 | awwal | if you have installed task desktop lxde, pretty sure it comes with wicd, not with networkmanager |
| 21:31.21 | arrrrrrrgh | I don't know what task desktop is, I chose lxde from the minimal install menu |
| 21:31.29 | awwal | check wicd gtk settings if wifi is enabled |
| 21:31.30 | arrrrrrrgh | (and it runs wicd) |
| 21:31.32 | awwal | wlan0 |
| 21:31.36 | awwal | or whatever |
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| 21:31.48 | arrrrrrrgh | The interface doesn't show up, awwal |
| 21:31.52 | arrrrrrrgh | I only have eth0 and lo |
| 21:32.01 | awwal | sadd wlan0 |
| 21:32.16 | arrrrrrrgh | How? :P |
| 21:32.34 | awwal | but latest versions of wicd have wifi , wlan0 enabled by default |
| 21:32.37 | kejsi564 | fixed ! |
| 21:32.43 | arrrrrrrgh | kejsi564: Congratulations! |
| 21:32.44 | awwal | old versions you must add it manually |
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| 21:33.16 | eSa| | what should I worry about? http://pastie.org/10881481 |
| 21:33.16 | kejsi564 | yeah this is what worked for me https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/firmware-brcm80211/download |
| 21:33.29 | kejsi564 | i think im getting better at this ... |
| 21:33.41 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, since wheezy wicd adds wlan0 automatically, so I dont remember. check the interfaces section and there add it |
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| 21:33.54 | kejsi564 | question here |
| 21:34.14 | kejsi564 | i understand that debian is super secure |
| 21:34.27 | kejsi564 | why so many people always say install gentoo |
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| 21:34.50 | kejsi564 | is it because faster system, more option to configure ? |
| 21:35.19 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi " |
| 21:35.25 | shadows | "super secure" ? |
| 21:35.27 | rattking | gentoo can be fast.. its true, but you will never make back the time you spend compiling |
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| 21:35.53 | kejsi564 | oh |
| 21:36.20 | kejsi564 | yeah i know that it needs tons of work just to install it and configure it |
| 21:36.37 | litko | can i run debian on a mac |
| 21:36.41 | kejsi564 | im sure finding the driver for wifi would be more difficult in gentoo |
| 21:36.50 | kejsi564 | litko sure |
| 21:36.52 | shadows | as a former Gentoo developer for their pro-audio packaging, I will say this, Gentoo is great for people who want to develop Gentoo |
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| 21:37.07 | kejsi564 | shadows KEK ! |
| 21:37.10 | shadows | :) |
| 21:37.13 | kejsi564 | LOL |
| 21:37.26 | litko | so i can just burn a debian dvd and boot from it replacing the osx? |
| 21:37.37 | kejsi564 | litko yes |
| 21:37.42 | kejsi564 | but be careful |
| 21:37.44 | shadows | I'm not going to trash on Gentoo, it's just not what I use when I want to have a working computer |
| 21:37.44 | arrrrrrrgh | I would say that depends highly on the Mac :P |
| 21:37.55 | kejsi564 | some things might not work depending on your hardware |
| 21:38.01 | arrrrrrrgh | My brother tried to run Linux on his MacBook Pro and it just ... doesn't want to turn off the screen, ever. |
| 21:38.13 | arrrrrrrgh | And he is an experienced user unlike me |
| 21:38.15 | litko | i read some stuff about keeping the osx for updates and firmware but its an old macbook the last firmware updates were in 2010 |
| 21:38.44 | arrrrrrrgh | Well you could run a live version (on cd/usb) to see how it runs first? |
| 21:38.59 | litko | i guess |
| 21:39.08 | arrrrrrrgh | awwal: That command didn't do anything :P |
| 21:39.15 | litko | i dont really have a choice tbh osx is unusable |
| 21:39.26 | litko | i cant get anything done |
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| 21:39.51 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, without " " |
| 21:40.00 | arrrrrrrgh | awwal: I didn't put those in :P |
| 21:40.06 | awwal | :P |
| 21:40.08 | arrrrrrrgh | It ran this time around for some reason |
| 21:40.31 | arrrrrrrgh | What am I supposed to see here? |
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| 21:41.31 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, are you sure youtyped the command correctly? |
| 21:41.46 | awwal | apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi |
| 21:41.56 | arrrrrrrgh | It shows me version information |
| 21:42.13 | awwal | you interfaces file is correct? |
| 21:42.24 | awwal | paste.debian.net |
| 21:42.26 | arrrrrrrgh | My interfaces file is not correct, but seeing as the kernel never loaded the driver |
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| 21:43.07 | awwal | which driver exactly you want to know if loaded? |
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| 21:44.32 | litko | do i just need the 1st dvd to install basic debian or do i have to download the whole set? |
| 21:44.42 | awwal | for check that you should know which component of iwlwifi your wifi card needs exactly :P |
| 21:44.44 | buu | You need the netinstall |
| 21:45.16 | arrrrrrrgh | awwal: The one for the wifi card would be nice :P |
| 21:45.28 | arrrrrrrgh | awwal: I ran lspci -k and it had no kernel driver loaded |
| 21:45.42 | LtL | litko: the first cd or dvd will do |
| 21:45.56 | arrrrrrrgh | hold on I'll sprunge it |
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| 21:46.18 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, according to https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi your card needs firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 21:46.47 | litko | what about just downloading the 1st cd would that work too? |
| 21:47.11 | awwal | try purging wicd and reinstal it, it may no detecting that firmware |
| 21:47.33 | LtL | litko: yes, especially if you're on a ethernet wire... if so the netinstall image will do |
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| 21:48.06 | awwal | or configure your wifi manually editing interfaces file |
| 21:48.10 | arrrrrrrgh | awwal: http://sprunge.us/PeEc |
| 21:49.32 | arrrrrrrgh | Like I said, it hasn't loaded the drivers for some reason |
| 21:50.13 | arrrrrrrgh | firmware-iwlwifi is installed |
| 21:51.05 | arrrrrrrgh | awwal: http://sprunge.us/IAcB proof :P |
| 21:53.01 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, if you have installed firmware-iwlwifi and rebooted but not detected by wicd, so no clue |
| 21:53.30 | arrrrrrrgh | :( |
| 21:53.45 | arrrrrrrgh | It's back to Arch I guess, I thought I'd save myself the trouble of spending time installing a GUI :P |
| 21:54.09 | awwal | reinstall wicd or purge wicd and install networkmanager, or better set up your wifi manually in interfaces |
| 21:54.26 | awwal | you are with jessie, right? |
| 21:54.29 | arrrrrrrgh | Isn't the main problem here that the driver never gets loaded by the kernel? |
| 21:54.33 | arrrrrrrgh | Yes, she's my girl |
| 21:54.56 | arrrrrrrgh | How do I set up wifi manually? |
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| 21:56.00 | awwal | can we see you /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 21:56.03 | awwal | cat it |
| 21:56.05 | arrrrrrrgh | sure |
| 21:56.11 | arrrrrrrgh | I'll sprunge it |
| 21:57.18 | arrrrrrrgh | http://sprunge.us/beUJ |
| 21:57.28 | arrrrrrrgh | I have to say I love that app |
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| 21:57.55 | arrrrrrrgh | (I'm not chatting from the laptop I'm setting up, since there is usually a lot of rebooting and such) |
| 21:58.27 | awwal | i think you should comment out the 2 last lines |
| 21:58.56 | awwal | for start :P |
| 21:59.09 | awwal | and run systemctl restart wicd.service |
| 21:59.15 | arrrrrrrgh | I commented it out and rebooted |
| 22:00.27 | awwal | also comment the third line source bla bla bla |
| 22:00.41 | arrrrrrrgh | third line source? ;_; |
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| 22:01.16 | tuxi | wouldn't the wifi be wlan0? |
| 22:01.22 | awwal | source /etc/network/interfaces.d/* |
| 22:02.37 | awwal | leave uncommented only the two line: auto lo and iface lo inet loopback |
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| 22:03.26 | arrrrrrrgh | The problem remains that my kernel driver for wifi is not loaded |
| 22:03.54 | arrrrrrrgh | Configuring the interface is all well and good but without a driver to run the hardware I am still wifiless :( |
| 22:04.09 | awwal | !kernels |
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| 22:04.27 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.7-rc3, stable 4.6: 4.6.2, stable 4.5: 4.5.7, longterm 4.4: 4.4.13, longterm 4.1: 4.1.26, longterm 3.18: 3.18.35, longterm 3.16: 3.16.36, longterm 3.14: 3.14.72, longterm 3.12: 3.12.60, longterm 3.10: 3.10.102, longterm 3.4: 3.4.112, longterm 3.2: 3.2.81, linux-next: next-20160617 |
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| 22:05.07 | awwal | ! jessie kernel |
| 22:05.07 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" released with the Linux 3.16 kernel, see https://bits.debian.org/2014/07/kernel-version-for-jessie.html for further details and also ask me about <stable kernel>, <ckt kernel>. Later kernel versions are available through <debian backports>, ask me about <bdo kernel>. |
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| 22:06.17 | arrrrrrrgh | Now I have to find out what the drivers are called so I can manually load them :| |
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| 22:06.27 | arrrrrrrgh | I have spent more time on wifi in Debian than I spent on installing most of Arch ;_; |
| 22:06.33 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, according to that debian wiki entry iwlwifi with kernel 3.16.7-ckt9-2 should support your card |
| 22:06.38 | arrrrrrrgh | It sure should |
| 22:06.39 | arrrrrrrgh | But it doesn't load |
| 22:06.43 | arrrrrrrgh | So whether it supports is a nonissue |
| 22:06.49 | awwal | !stable kernel |
| 22:06.49 | dpkg | Debian <stable> releases use a kernel with long-term, cross-distribution support. The kernel receives bug fixes and drivers for new hardware are backported to this kernel. The <debian backports> archive also contains newer kernels. Ask me about <jessie kernel> <bdo kernel> <linux backports>. |
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| 22:09.08 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, I dont know how your made your install so not sure how to help you. other people may now. |
| 22:09.38 | awwal | know ^ |
| 22:10.53 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, if reinstalling isn't important a problem for you, using the netinst cd image the one including non-free firmwares maybe the safest and easy/ fastest solution |
| 22:11.35 | awwal | for laptops I always recommend the non free images |
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| 22:12.01 | awwal | almost when one have no access to wired |
| 22:12.07 | andril | o/ |
| 22:12.15 | arrrrrrrgh | I thought I chose a non-free image :P |
| 22:12.47 | awwal | which one exactly? |
| 22:12.53 | andril | arrrrrrrgh, is there such a thing |
| 22:13.21 | arrrrrrrgh | andril: I don't think so |
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| 22:13.30 | arrrrrrrgh | I think I shall abandon this attempt at Debian and keep it on my VMs where it works :P |
| 22:14.16 | andril | it took me a while to get it to pur for me - it was all in the sourcelists |
| 22:14.47 | awwal | if you end not running debian, so you will miss a rock solid gnu/linux OS :P |
| 22:15.23 | awwal | many of us, including myself, uses non-free drivers for wifi and all fine |
| 22:16.05 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, just by curiosity, can we see your apt sources file? |
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| 22:16.56 | arrrrrrrgh | awwal: remind me where that is? :P |
| 22:17.13 | andril | arrrrrrrgh, this is mine http://hastebin.com/alimazugak.avrasm |
| 22:17.26 | arrrrrrrgh | your source file is written in avrasm?! hardcore |
| 22:17.43 | andril | awwal, let me know if i am missing something |
| 22:17.59 | arrrrrrrgh | I uh, I may have added non-free to only one of my sources |
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| 22:18.03 | somiaj | andril: there are unoffical images that contain the non-free firmware for network cards. |
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| 22:18.20 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, ^ |
| 22:18.45 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:19.13 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:19.39 | andril | somiaj, i try to keep it official but able :P |
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| 22:20.14 | arrrrrrrgh | awwal: http://sprunge.us/hIgd |
| 22:20.16 | somiaj | andril: unoffical in the sense that debian tries to be clear and not have an offical installer that has software that breaks the DSFG. It is made by debian developers. |
| 22:20.36 | awwal | andril, your file isn't ok |
| 22:20.37 | andril | cool |
| 22:20.39 | somiaj | andril: but if you are going to choose to use non-free firmware anyways, it is available to use during the install. |
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| 22:21.06 | andril | awwal, do you have any suggestions |
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| 22:21.35 | awwal | andril, you have non-free in main repo and no in the security one |
| 22:21.39 | awwal | thats a problem |
| 22:21.45 | arrrrrrrgh | awwal: you're talking to me? :P |
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| 22:22.12 | arrrrrrrgh | I'm confused :( |
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| 22:22.33 | awwal | also you mix stable with experimental, so crazy :P andril |
| 22:22.34 | andril | thanks awwal :P |
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| 22:23.07 | andril | i noticed Firefox ESR showed up |
| 22:23.10 | somiaj | mixing stable with experimental will most likely break your system since experimental packages are compiled against sid dependencies. |
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| 22:23.39 | arrrrrrrgh | awwal: Is mine also horribly broken? |
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| 22:23.52 | awwal | arrrrrrrgh, your file is fine, just add non-free to the security and volatiles repositories |
| 22:24.17 | somiaj | arrrrrrrgh: your sources.list looks fine. Though you should have non-free (and maybe contrib) on the security sources. If you are going to use non-free might as well at least have security fixes for them. |
| 22:24.18 | arrrrrrrgh | awwal: I somehow doubt that will unbreak wifi however :P |
| 22:24.20 | awwal | volatile ^ |
| 22:24.42 | awwal | yeah, but that for future eventural updates |
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| 22:25.04 | awwal | eventual future upgrades ^ |
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| 22:26.38 | awwal | modinfo iwlwifi PCI: 8086:24F3 Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 |
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| 22:28.21 | andril | firmware-iwlwifi |
| 22:28.52 | arrrrrrrgh | I think I'm just going to go back to Arch, it took less time and was easier to understand :P |
| 22:29.30 | andril | Debian ain't never hurt anybody |
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| 22:30.22 | andril | how are you loading the driver i used Synaptic |
| 22:31.05 | ryouma | does debian have a command line version of patience diff? and similar? |
| 22:31.23 | ryouma | (i know git diff can be made to use it but i don't know if it can compare just 2 plain files) |
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| 22:32.39 | nacc | ryouma: do you mean `diff` ? what is 'patience diff' ? |
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| 22:34.10 | ryouma | nacc: it does stuff like first only considering unique lines that are common to both files. i think it is not what i need, but i want to try it. and to collect all the simlar tools in debian. |
| 22:36.30 | nacc | ryouma: oh i see, it's a diff algorithm |
| 22:36.44 | nacc | ryouma: i'm not aware of any way to leverage that commonly other than `git-diff` itself |
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| 22:37.44 | ryouma | i'll ask on #git if it can be forced to not use git |
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| 22:38.59 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | hey so if you took a debian server and installed xfce4 over lightdm over x and something was dropping you into tty2 instead of tty7/x ... what thing would most likely be doing that? |
| 22:39.53 | somiaj | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: debian doesn't run x on tty7 anymore, in jessie debian will run x on the tty it was launched in (tty1 is default). |
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| 22:42.16 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | somiaj: ok so i have some experience digging through init scripts and i guess i'm assuming that the reason for that is somewhere in a systemd script? |
| 22:42.46 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | somiaj: it's been a while since i use debian very much |
| 22:43.00 | frew | so I am trying to build gitit (Which testing has a new package for) for an older version of debian |
| 22:43.11 | frew | is there a good way to do what I want to do? |
| 22:43.25 | frew | I tried debuild -uc -us in the package but it complains about uninstalled deps |
| 22:43.29 | somiaj | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: do you really want x to run on tty7? I'm unsure on the details, but xorg doesn't need its own tty anymore and will just run on the current tty. In stretch this even goes further with xorg that doesn't require setuid and just runs as the user. |
| 22:43.29 | frew | and there are many many many |
| 22:43.47 | somiaj | !tell frew about ssb |
| 22:43.57 | somiaj | frew: have you tried following those instructions for creating a backport? |
| 22:44.27 | frew | no |
| 22:44.30 | frew | reading now |
| 22:44.32 | frew | thanks |
| 22:44.35 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | somiaj: i will investigate having x start on the default tty |
| 22:44.57 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | somiaj: many thank you's and a blessing on your crops and offspring |
| 22:45.45 | somiaj | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: maybe we shoudl take step back. Is x not running correctly? I'm just explain what should happen when you run 'startx' or ahve lightdm run at boot. |
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| 22:47.24 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | somiaj, when lightdm is launching because of its dpkg-configure script "on tty7" it's launching and i'm being dropped back to tty2 (which is my default tty) |
| 22:48.11 | somiaj | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: okay might be somethign going on that I am not use to |
| 22:48.31 | somiaj | and by dropped back to tty2, you mean when you close/kill lightdm? |
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| 22:49.25 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | somiaj: there is and this is a better question for another channel but i figured i would pose a general debian question to try and learn more about the system's configuration |
| 22:50.11 | nikoma | I get the following error message when I plug in my power supply to my notebook |
| 22:50.14 | nikoma | http://pastebin.com/eGrBwdL9 |
| 22:50.20 | nikoma | what does it mean? |
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| 22:52.15 | somiaj | nikoma: not sure why it is triggered when you plug your power supply in, but that is either your ata controler or hardrive having troubles |
| 22:52.30 | somiaj | nikoma: the last time I had similar messages it was due to a bad ssd drive. |
| 22:52.39 | somiaj | (this may not be the case for you) |
| 22:53.22 | nikoma | thanks |
| 22:53.32 | ac1dh0n3ycl0ud | somiaj: thanks once more |
| 22:53.43 | nikoma | I found this thread |
| 22:53.47 | nikoma | http://superuser.com/questions/438998/is-my-hard-drive-dying |
| 22:53.52 | nikoma | which seems to be the same |
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| 22:54.15 | somiaj | nikoma: backup to be safe |
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| 22:59.46 | nikoma | I am back |
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| 23:01.50 | nikoma | I guess the fact that I get the error only when plugging in power supply it means it's probably not a big deal right? |
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| 23:05.52 | somiaj | nikoma: I wouldn't bet your data on that. |
| 23:06.41 | somiaj | nikoma: but it could be caused by a change in power to the drive causing it to restart. It could continue to work, it could be dying. |
| 23:07.26 | nikoma | Something like that is what I thought |
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| 23:07.45 | nikoma | so I will simply plug in the power supply when turned off just to be sure |
| 23:07.53 | nikoma | I guess |
| 23:08.10 | awwal | nikoma, smartctl or its gui frontend gsmartcontrol may help in similar situation. |
| 23:08.20 | nikoma | will always check dmesg at the end of the day for a few days and if no errors, then I guess it's fine |
| 23:08.36 | nikoma | might do smartctl on holidays, but I have exams now |
| 23:09.17 | awwal | use it wisely :P |
| 23:09.41 | nikoma | is it dangerous? |
| 23:10.03 | awwal | and check its docs and manual |
| 23:10.11 | somiaj | no, it just talks to the built smart on the drive to get self diagnositc reports from the drive. |
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| 23:23.52 | Janos | hey there guys, I see there is a new? inet type tunnel in the interfaces man page in jessie, this is great but it won't let me create a tunnel without an address/netmask, any idea why is it not possible to create interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces and let other software i.e. quagga handle the addresses ? |
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| 23:31.20 | otyugh_II | ho man :( |
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| 23:31.54 | his | what is the difference of debian from ubuntu? |
| 23:31.56 | otyugh_II | I struggled hard to install a debian netinstall from scratch using a serial USB, and it does not support graphic display ? :'( |
| 23:32.01 | his | or which os is best for beginners? |
| 23:32.10 | otyugh_II | (on olinxino A20) |
| 23:32.34 | LtL | his: probably ubuntu, it'd debateable |
| 23:32.43 | LtL | *it's |
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| 23:36.02 | somiaj | his: there are lots of difference. The main one is policy and this effects what defaults are, the software available and what a release is. |
| 23:36.27 | somiaj | his: ubuntu has more tools to automatically configure things for you, debian provides you more choice (which also means you may have to figure out how to configure things more on your own) |
| 23:36.42 | his | i see |
| 23:36.46 | somiaj | his: many may think debian has a steeper learning curve, but in the end it is worth it because you will learn a lot. |
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| 23:37.03 | his | so ubuntu is suitable for beginners |
| 23:37.20 | his | yep i agree |
| 23:37.25 | abrotman | so is Debian, depends on your aptitude for learning |
| 23:37.25 | somiaj | his: most here would suggest debian of course. But ubuntu will do more things for you automatically (good or bad) |
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| 23:38.07 | somiaj | his: debian does work really well, there are just some common sticky points (like non-free firmware for wifi cards or graphics drivers) that the users here in #debian can help you with when you run into them. |
| 23:38.31 | his | ok |
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| 23:45.24 | LtL | *it's |
| 23:45.28 | LtL | err |
| 23:46.04 | unborn | his: debian is just fine, everything will work.. and if you will need drivers you can download actually all non free wifi drivers in one .deb file which you will just install , reboot and it will work |
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| 23:46.53 | unborn | ubuntu is basically build on debian unstable with all drivers in ( I would say older drivers for wifi from personal experience) and its resources eater |
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| 23:51.30 | unborn | I started on debian 5 I think, then I tried ubuntu 6 and been with it for few years, then year on linux mint which went from great to crap and when mint isadora reached end of life, I went back to ubuntu 14.04 and two weeks back I switched finally to pure debian. Basically on servers I use only debian since debian 5, but as you know server is something else then desktop for office work.. old times on debian was maybe harder but I think if you give a cha |
| 23:51.30 | unborn | nce to debian jessie you would not be disappointed |
| 23:52.36 | somiaj | I like to think people should have feedom and choice to use what works best for them. To me debian works best, but my idea may not agree with others. Just if you want to use #debian for support you best be running debian. |
| 23:56.48 | unborn | youre right somiaj, i share same view as you.. my hold back was gui.. when I tried debian 7 I did not like the new gnome 3 those days.. it was not that good as in this release.. I was really nicely surprised and I fall in love with it meh |
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| 23:58.29 | unborn | end of the day pure debian is future |
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| 23:59.33 | LtL | why would all these other distros copy debian if debian wasn't the best... just a thought |
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| 23:59.51 | LtL | i'm addicted |
