| 00:01.10 | luxio | For some reason I can't watch Twitch video on my Debian install |
| 00:01.17 | luxio | Does anyone here know if it requires Flash or something? |
| 00:01.29 | luxio | Or can someone confirm that it doesn't work? |
| 00:02.08 | SilverBallz | sm00th: im an expendable trio axs 4g tablet... (one of two exact devices). no worries |
| 00:02.21 | SilverBallz | im getting ready to brick it either way. |
| 00:02.23 | SilverBallz | lol |
| 00:02.28 | sm00th | lol gl |
| 00:03.07 | SilverBallz | ty |
| 00:03.37 | markybob | luxio: yes it requires flash |
| 00:03.46 | SilverBallz | oh and since this was off topic I DO HAVE DEBIAN KIT on it |
| 00:03.57 | SilverBallz | :p love ya sis |
| 00:04.38 | luxio | markybob: oh wow, that sucks |
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| 00:09.03 | Rudde | Amun_Ra so yeah, I need something like pagekite, but I need to be able to self-host the server side too |
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| 00:16.52 | Amun_Ra | Rudde: ssh -R will work, just make sure it'll reconnect |
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| 00:22.02 | Voyage | Is there any chance my logitech keyboard bluetooth based, would need drivers or anything else to work with debian or ubuntu based OSes? |
| 00:22.08 | jaggz | I downloaded an old libc6 from wheezy (eglibc-2.13), and the patch |
| 00:22.53 | jaggz | not sure how to do this.. configure ran fine, but then make failed (same error as this person: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/04/msg01905.html) |
| 00:24.06 | jaggz | trying to figure out how to apply the patch |
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| 00:24.21 | somiaj | jaggz: are you trying to install the wheezy libc6 on jessie? |
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| 00:25.10 | markybob | so you're applying a 2.11 patch to 2.13 and wonder why it's failing. |
| 00:25.27 | jaggz | patch -p0 --dry-run < ../eglibc_2.13-38+deb7u11.diff |
| 00:25.31 | jaggz | somiaj, no I won't install it |
| 00:25.44 | jaggz | markybob, no I'm not following that page exactly :) |
| 00:26.05 | jaggz | from here, http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/e/eglibc/ |
| 00:26.20 | jaggz | I downloaded eglibc_2.13.orig.tar.gz and eglibc_2.13-38+deb7u11.diff.gz |
| 00:26.35 | markybob | i love helping when i'm given wrong information to begin with. |
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| 00:27.14 | markybob | goes back to watching orange |
| 00:27.21 | jaggz | I didn't give wrong information did I? I got the same error as him, I didn't say I followed his same steps or used his packages |
| 00:27.36 | jaggz | yeah, go argue with your tv! |
| 00:27.39 | jaggz | ;) |
| 00:27.58 | jaggz | or insult it.. and see if it keeps asking you for help |
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| 00:28.39 | themill | It'd be easier it you actually told us what you did and what happened (real commands, real output). Some context as to why helps too. |
| 00:29.45 | jaggz | I patched it (I went into the eglibc source and ran patch -q1 < ../whatever.diff) .. that made all the debian/* files .. |
| 00:29.58 | themill | see, that tells me nothing useful |
| 00:30.05 | jaggz | but I still get that *** No rule to make target '../manual/errno.texi', needed by '../sysdeps/gnu/errlist.c'. Stop. |
| 00:30.38 | jaggz | (there happens to be no manual/ dir there at all) |
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| 00:32.48 | jaggz | http://paste.debian.net/740217/ |
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| 00:34.36 | themill | jaggz: I still don't know what you've actually done |
| 00:35.27 | jaggz | I untarred, went into dir, mkdir'ed debian, applied patch (which created debian/*), ran ./configure --prefix=/tmp/eglibc, ran make |
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| 00:36.42 | jaggz | excuse me, I went into a separate build dir and ran ../eglibc-2.13/configure --prefix=/tmp/eglibc |
| 00:36.44 | jaggz | then ran make |
| 00:36.56 | glassresistor | so i was having some issues with recreating my uefi config to get it to boot |
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| 00:38.09 | themill | jaggz: if you're wanting to build the debian sources, then using the debian build system probably makes sense. And you should use dpkg-source to unpack the source package |
| 00:39.28 | glassresistor | so i imaged my encrypted luks partiion, restored it to another partition(still encrypted) and also backuped up to a normal ext4 partion |
| 00:40.15 | glassresistor | I've now reinstalled debian jessie with legacy boot and have my 3 backups, how should i go about restoring my root directory |
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| 00:41.11 | somiaj | glassresistor: what do you mean by restoring root directory? Do you just want to get back tot he same set of packages installed? |
| 00:41.27 | glassresistor | somiaj: and configs and everything else |
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| 00:41.53 | somiaj | glassresistor: well I would chroot into your old install and then do somethign like apt cone |
| 00:41.53 | chomwitt | it qt-sdk package necessary to program in Qt5 ? |
| 00:41.56 | somiaj | !apt clone |
| 00:42.03 | jaggz | themill, okay, doing it that way |
| 00:42.07 | jaggz | oh, by the way, "*** These critical programs are missing or too old: make" |
| 00:42.18 | somiaj | !aptitude close |
| 00:42.24 | somiaj | !aptitude clone |
| 00:42.24 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 00:42.32 | glassresistor | somiaj: so like if i just copy all of my files from one drive to another from a live cd and reboot |
| 00:42.40 | jaggz | I did have to do another thing -- the configure script tested 3.x but assumed 4.x was older :) |
| 00:42.59 | somiaj | glassresistor: what dopkg said, that will return your package state to the state on your old system. After that you can copy your $HOME dir over and then any configs in /etc you need |
| 00:43.24 | themill | I don't think anyone is going to be surprised if some old glibc doesn't compile with a modern toolchain |
| 00:43.25 | somiaj | glassresistor: since you have a new install that is correctly booting, I may not want to copy over the old isntall and configs, I would probabaly reinstall and copy over only the config stuff I need |
| 00:43.26 | glassresistor | somiaj: its not just about packages, its about my home directory/etc; also the machine im restoring is gone except for the image |
| 00:43.46 | somiaj | glassresistor: if you copy over all of /, you may have to manually make it boot again because you'll have the old configs for grub/etc |
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| 00:44.10 | somiaj | glassresistor: correct, so after you reinstall all the packages, mirror $HOME over, and then copy the few thigns in /etc you needed (most of the stuff in there is usually default) |
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| 00:44.27 | somiaj | glassresistor: that would be my suggestion at this stage since you have a fresh install that is booting like you want it |
| 00:44.38 | glassresistor | somiaj: i made a backup without /boot which is on a different partion so /boot and /boot/grub are empty as well as /mnt and everything eles |
| 00:45.06 | jaggz | themill, same error |
| 00:45.38 | somiaj | glassresistor: but you may have grub-efi vs grub-pc installed |
| 00:45.52 | somiaj | glassresistor: if you copy over your old root, you may have to manually fix the issue with it booting |
| 00:46.12 | glassresistor | somiaj: since the old system is just on an external drive now how can i get a package list |
| 00:46.35 | glassresistor | somiaj: /boot and /boot/grub are empty so if i rsync itll still have the new /boot stuff |
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| 00:47.12 | glassresistor | somiaj: i'll probably need to uninstall grub-efi to make sure it doesn't mess something up on an upgrade |
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| 00:47.54 | glassresistor | somiaj: i'd consider doing the aptitude clone thing if you can show me how to do it from an external non-booting drive |
| 00:48.32 | somiaj | glassresistor: your call, but since you ahve a workign install I woudln't mess it up by copying over stuff into / (copy over /home and the config files you need in /etc) but I wouldn't mess with the current working isntall by copying an old install on top of it |
| 00:48.56 | somiaj | glassresistor: you should be able to just mount that drive, mount /dev/whatever /mount/location |
| 00:49.02 | cmhobbs | anyone know if there's a package in jessie that'll supply opusfile? |
| 00:49.09 | somiaj | glassresistor: then chroot /mount/location and run the aptitude clone command from inside the chroot |
| 00:49.18 | cmhobbs | there's libopusfile0 and libopusfile-dev but neither supply the binary |
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| 00:49.32 | glassresistor | somiaj: give me a minute to stop rsyncing and ill try that |
| 00:49.40 | somiaj | cmhobbs: you can use apt-file to search for the actual package. |
| 00:49.50 | cmhobbs | thanks, i'll try that |
| 00:49.58 | jaggz | themill, I didn't download the version *u10 by the way, just the u11 |
| 00:50.10 | glassresistor | somiaj: how doews chroot work? |
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| 00:51.30 | somiaj | glassresistor: it just makes a new root dir some other location and once in it you should be able to run commands in your old install |
| 00:51.49 | jaggz | how do I examine build dependencies from this old wheezy file? |
| 00:51.55 | jaggz | for |
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| 00:53.53 | jaggz | I couldn't seem to get my sources setup to get this wheezy eglibc, so I was trying to just get the tar myself, but perhaps some dependency is missing |
| 00:55.45 | jaggz | looks like I need deb as well as deb-src lines to use apt-get build-dep |
| 00:57.57 | jaggz | ah HAH |
| 00:57.59 | jaggz | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/434067 |
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| 00:58.13 | jaggz | run "make -f debian/rules patch" |
| 00:58.14 | capum321 | hello |
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| 00:58.59 | archie | Hello? |
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| 00:59.08 | LambdaComplex | hi? |
| 00:59.08 | jaggz | progress |
| 00:59.15 | archie | ah great something works |
| 00:59.20 | archie | how suprising |
| 00:59.44 | archie | has anyone got any idea on how to get audio working? |
| 00:59.49 | archie | ive been struggling for hours |
| 00:59.55 | SilverBallz | ?!kick archie |
| 00:59.58 | SilverBallz | :p |
| 01:00.01 | archie | devo |
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| 01:01.22 | jaggz | damn |
| 01:01.24 | jaggz | "sed: can't read libc.texinfo: No such file or directory" |
| 01:01.49 | jaggz | I don't see anything on debian with this error, but in a cygwin post they say, "Revert to make-3.81 if you encountered this error." |
| 01:01.56 | jaggz | sorrows |
| 01:02.16 | awwal | So not possible to install debian amd64 in qemu-kvm VM being the system i386? |
| 01:04.08 | jaggz | heh |
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| 01:06.09 | awwal | I did it just fine in virtualbox, but qemu-kvm no :( amd vm is created but installer want run, I get a message saying something like "the kernel of the image is amd64 but the one in the host is i386", so it fails :( |
| 01:06.25 | awwal | installer wont run ^ |
| 01:07.50 | awwal | also virtualbox offers like 3500 mb for vm ram and qemu-kvm maximum 2048 mb :P |
| 01:08.17 | archie | ah yes i got audio to work im so happy |
| 01:08.28 | awwal | !next |
| 01:08.29 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 01:10.13 | glassresistor | somiaj: |
| 01:10.23 | glassresistor | ok im ready to experiment |
| 01:11.37 | glassresistor | somiaj: sould i chroot from the old / directory? |
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| 01:12.30 | glassresistor | glassresistor: so sudo chroot /media/mikela/4214302134123-2342142134-23423/backup-2016? |
| 01:12.38 | glassresistor | somiaj: or no sudo |
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| 01:25.28 | MrHatter | just thinking about the LVM... could I ignore this and rsync the contents onto a new filesystem, update the initramfs and grub ? |
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| 01:32.25 | somiaj | glassresistor: you will have to run chroot as root |
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| 01:38.30 | sm00th | hey guys i forget where the option is in kde to make dolphin use double click to open files |
| 01:38.37 | sm00th | instead of single click |
| 01:38.51 | sm00th | nvm found it |
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| 02:05.17 | glassresistor | somiaj: man doesn' |
| 02:05.23 | glassresistor | somiaj: man doesn |
| 02:05.52 | glassresistor | somiaj: sorry bad keyboard man doesn't say anything about aptitude clone, how does it work |
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| 02:05.59 | Nakota | heelo |
| 02:06.10 | Nakota | Help install LVM please |
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| 02:07.43 | somiaj | !aptitude clone |
| 02:07.43 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 02:08.05 | somiaj | glassresistor: you use aptitude to geenrate a list and then recover that list with aptitude on the new machine (This is so all the autoinstall and various other things are configured right) |
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| 02:09.33 | glassresistor | somiaj: i just cam |
| 02:09.57 | glassresistor | somiaj: i just can't find docs on it and i dont want to run a command i don't understand |
| 02:10.01 | glassresistor | i just ran |
| 02:10.37 | glassresistor | a chained command like "~/pkglist: |
| 02:10.37 | glassresistor | sudo dpkg --get-selections | sed "s/.*deinstall//" | sed "s/install$//g" > ~/pkglist |
| 02:10.42 | glassresistor | " |
| 02:10.43 | somiaj | glassresistor: aptitude search just creates a list (from the old install) that has info about the installed packages |
| 02:10.50 | somiaj | glassresistor: I did not link you that command. |
| 02:11.17 | glassresistor | somiaj: i know thats just what i found searching for aptitude clone |
| 02:11.28 | themill | that pipeline will also list removed packages |
| 02:11.45 | somiaj | glassresistor: the bot linked you commands using aptitude, the aptitude docs will contain more info on what the commands do |
| 02:11.57 | themill | glassresistor: you're not searching for "aptitude clone" your using the commands dpkg has talked about. |
| 02:13.13 | glassresistor | somiaj: i lost the bot thing, where is it? im sorry i know this must be annoying |
| 02:13.22 | somiaj | !tell glassresistor about aptitude clone |
| 02:13.35 | themill | glassresistor: what 'dpkg' said |
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| 02:22.25 | glassresistor | somiaj: im getting this error http://pastebin.com/Tr2CX4L0 |
| 02:23.58 | themill | is that because you deleted /var/lock/aptitude? |
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| 02:31.40 | somiaj | glassresistor: you are running this inside the chroot of your old install? Can you write to that file system to create the lock file (only thing I could think of) |
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| 02:32.27 | somiaj | ahh it could be that /var/lock -> /run/lock and you don't have /run mounted in the chroot, though I'm not use to having to do this inside of chroots. |
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| 03:37.39 | ToHellWithGA | the vnc server built into gnome seems to be working but only works locally; i can connect via vinagre to get a trippy hall of mirrors effect on my desktop, but all other connections from my LAN are rejected. |
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| 03:48.39 | STMelon | night all |
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| 03:59.54 | ToHellWithGA | finally found a solution - vino requires encryption by default (probably a good thing) but my clients did not support it. disabling encryption fixed the glitch. |
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| 04:15.29 | mikela | so i just did a fresh install of debian onto a my laptop and all of the https website I go to say bad certificates |
| 04:15.49 | mikela | I already ran update-ca-certificates withouth any improvemenet. whats the deal? |
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| 04:16.53 | mikela | this is the certificate im getting http://pastebin.com/meFb5vE3 |
| 04:17.12 | mikela | which i presume is the correct one I remember having this issue before but how do i fix it? |
| 04:19.18 | mikela | anyone around to help this issue is fairly disconcerting |
| 04:21.25 | themill | which browser? |
| 04:21.28 | mikela | like just doing a simple install of debian and I'm apparently missing all of my root certificates |
| 04:21.31 | mikela | themill: firefox |
| 04:22.04 | mikela | themill: er iceweasel |
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| 04:22.28 | themill | (it should be firefox by now) |
| 04:22.43 | themill | firefox/iceweasel don't use ca-certificates so that's not the issue |
| 04:23.01 | themill | mikela: what's the output of 'date' |
| 04:23.01 | zykotick9 | mikela: is your clock set correctly? the year as well? |
| 04:23.14 | themill | *snap* |
| 04:23.27 | themill | wins |
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| 04:23.47 | mikela | themill: yep thats it thanks |
| 04:23.54 | zykotick9 | themill: helping isn't a contest ;) |
| 04:23.58 | themill | ;) |
| 04:24.09 | mikela | themill: that fixed it |
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| 04:34.10 | zh1 | think there is a typo here https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation in dget, no? |
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| 04:35.41 | themill | zh1: you might need to be more verbose |
| 04:36.46 | zh1 | dget -x http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/m/mame/mame_0.148-1.dsc |
| 04:36.57 | themill | that syntax is fine |
| 04:37.51 | zh1 | ok |
| 04:38.03 | themill | what don't you like about it? |
| 04:38.43 | zh1 | was thinking was wget but no, its dget tool |
| 04:38.51 | zh1 | ok got it |
| 04:38.51 | themill | !dget |
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| 04:39.05 | themill | yes, dget fetches, checks signatures and unpacks the source |
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| 04:39.18 | themill | kicks the bot |
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| 05:01.53 | srvk | I disabled the root password and made a new user with root privileges. When I want to mount a partition on gnome as a regular user, I'm asked for the root password. How can I get gnome/nautilus to ask me for the password of the new superuser instead? |
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| 05:03.07 | freakyy | hi all. does anyone know how i could set up a rtmp live stream server on debian? |
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| 05:04.50 | jmcnaught | srvk: why not just use root, that's what it's for. how did you make a new superuser, just some other account with sudo access? does your own account have sudo access? |
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| 05:06.14 | themill | shouldn't gnome's automounter do this for the unprivileged user anyway, no root required |
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| 05:06.33 | srvk | jmcnaught: I changed the UID and GID to 0 in /etc/passwd. I wanted the root account not to be called 'root', I configured sudo to prompt me for the new superuser password. |
| 05:07.06 | srvk | I like that it asks me for permission to mount though, themill |
| 05:07.20 | themill | it can ask permission without asking for the root password |
| 05:07.33 | themill | (which is the default behaviour) |
| 05:08.05 | srvk | default behaviour is asking for root password, or not? |
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| 05:08.34 | themill | not |
| 05:08.37 | jmcnaught | freakyy: if you're looking for software in Debian to use for this, take a look at the Multimedia Pure Blend's lists of packages, especially broadcasting: https://blends.debian.org/multimedia/tasks/ |
| 05:09.01 | srvk | Well, my user pawword doesn't work with the prompt.. |
| 05:09.29 | srvk | I'm on Jessie |
| 05:10.06 | themill | I'm not shocked that you've managed to break lots... |
| 05:10.19 | themill | srvk: is this external drive listed in /etc/fstab? |
| 05:11.43 | srvk | nope, themill |
| 05:12.14 | themill | good |
| 05:13.39 | srvk | Isn't the behaviour of the gnome authorization prompt to ask for the sudo password? |
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| 05:16.06 | themill | I have no idea what the "sudo password" is; it's not using sudo normally |
| 05:17.04 | freakyy | thanks jmcnaught |
| 05:17.06 | freakyy | :) |
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| 05:17.30 | nevyn | themill: examine su-to-root |
| 05:17.37 | nevyn | part of the menu package |
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| 05:18.20 | srvk | well, sudo will ask you for the root password, or the target user password, or the password of a specified user, according to how it's configured. In my case I set runaspw with runas_default set to my new user. |
| 05:18.32 | themill | and these things aren't using sudo |
| 05:18.46 | themill | su-to-root isn't used by anything in gnome -- it's all *kit stuff that talks to a privileged helper |
| 05:19.01 | freakyy | jmcnaught: how do i add the repository? |
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| 05:55.23 | DebianUser75 | debian 8.5 use firefox |
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| 05:59.10 | freakyy | i cant get openbroadcastersoftware with it to run. i dont know how to configure it ;D |
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| 05:59.47 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 06:03.37 | debianityourselv | Hi there . I was wondering if it would be fine to add official kali's repository to debian's jessie source.list |
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| 06:04.38 | debianityourselv | I know it could be a mess the other way (adding debian to kali) but adding kali to debian could cause any harm ? |
| 06:07.32 | somiaj | don't mix distros/repos. You will be entering a world of pain. You will also get no support from here or kali if/when it breaks |
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| 06:08.13 | debianityourselv | then isn't safe to add it even using pin prioritys? |
| 06:08.40 | somiaj | nope, because you will most likely pull in core libs that will cause conflicts. The repos are not designed to be mixed togehter |
| 06:08.50 | debianityourselv | ok thanks |
| 06:09.34 | somiaj | (you are of course welcome to do what you want, but don't expect any support) |
| 06:10.14 | debianityourselv | yeah i get it. I guess the best way to go is to compile the desired libraries on top of debian without messing with the core system |
| 06:11.01 | debianityourselv | just thought that kali/debian could have some kind of compatibility |
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| 06:13.15 | debianityourselv | kali and debian seemed to be so similar at first |
| 06:13.20 | debianityourselv | x) |
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| 06:13.38 | somiaj | it doesn't take much, even debian stable and testing shoudln't be mixed. It is due to shared libaries and how things are linked |
| 06:14.21 | somiaj | if you need software that isnt' in debian you should compile it yourself (not use binaries compiled for a different policy/distro) |
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| 06:16.13 | debianityourselv | that is what i usually do, but i just use autotools and kind of forget dpkg for that purpouses and i'm not quite sure if that was better than just adding external repos |
| 06:16.36 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 06:16.36 | dpkg | well, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 06:17.37 | somiaj | debian provides lots of tools (stow, check-install, and you can even compile your own custom .deb's if wanted) to manage locally isntalled stuff |
| 06:17.46 | debianityourselv | oooh i see people like me lives in debian dev's hearts xD |
| 06:18.13 | debianityourselv | long time ago i read something related to use dpkg to build .debs and people said it was easy |
| 06:18.17 | debianityourselv | but never digged into it |
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| 06:18.47 | debianityourselv | felt comfortable enought using autotools but now i think is the moment to do a step forward |
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| 06:48.43 | boser | Hello, i have a question. Evolution present me two kinds of finding a Spam-Mail, 1. Bogofilter , 2. SpamAssissin - Which is the best for Mail? |
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| 06:55.08 | somiaj | boser: http://askubuntu.com/questions/2018/what-spam-filter-should-i-use-with-evolution-bogofilter-or-spamassasin -- many seem to say spamassasin needs less configuration/training, but maybe try both to see which you like better |
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| 07:06.10 | boser | somiaj: thx for your help. |
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| 08:14.54 | Moon_ | Hi |
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| 09:17.45 | lkthomas | folks, does anyone still using daemontools ? |
| 09:17.58 | Moon_ | No, i have not |
| 09:18.02 | Moon_ | I think |
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| 09:45.05 | talin | hello. when i try to run a 32-bit executabe on my 64-bit debian installation, i get "can not execute binary file" |
| 09:47.09 | talin | i have done dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
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| 09:49.17 | skrb | have you run apt update? |
| 09:50.03 | skrb | and I believe in some cases you also need the i386 versions of libc and libncurses |
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| 09:52.21 | talin | i have those, yep |
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| 09:52.38 | skrb | still won't run? |
| 09:53.08 | talin | hmm, i hadn't done upgrade since i installed i386 tho |
| 09:53.13 | talin | added* |
| 09:54.03 | skrb | I wish I had saved whatever guide I used to do the exact same thing a couple of days ago |
| 09:54.23 | alakx | Check if you have ia32-libs installed |
| 09:54.34 | alakx | 2) check the file permissions of the file you are trying to execute |
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| 09:55.15 | freakyy | anmyone here familiar with red5 - live streaming rmtp? i have a problem. im trying to stream gw2 but the stream laggs. http://stuff.freakyonline.de/live/ |
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| 10:03.00 | mazert | freakyy: what software do you use to stream ? Try changing quality, or check if you have enough bandwidth |
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| 10:12.40 | _mel_ | Hi. I have a weird problem with jessie apache2. i've configured apache / php / fpm from the book. Weekly the logfiles are rotated. so far so good. but last sunday. the restart failed with this error: "Starting web server: apache2(98)Address already in use: AH00072: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80" the manually restart worked. this is rather odd and sorry for the rant, please stop using systemd (because thats whats changed in jessie) |
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| 10:13.54 | talin | alakx: file permissions have +x and ia32-libs says it's been deprecated |
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| 10:16.55 | teraflops | _mel_: stop ranting and start learning |
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| 10:18.57 | _mel_ | teraflops: the more i read about, the less i like it. sorry. don't need another webserver in kernelmode .. But. how can i track the error? maybe the restart takes too long and not all processes are stopped (wow, _one_ thing that systemd can do so well...) before the restart. what else could cause this problem |
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| 10:24.32 | teraflops | _mel_: don't use debian or don't use systemd then |
| 10:24.39 | ChrisH | _mel_: how is the restart done? I assume from logrotate. I saw similar once on Solaris and there no systemd is involve. |
| 10:24.59 | _mel_ | i see. logrotate is using the old init script |
| 10:25.32 | _mel_ | its on sunday 06.25. so yes. it has to be logrotate |
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| 10:27.31 | teraflops | since jessie i've seen all kind of rants and insults about systemd. none of them was reasoned. |
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| 10:30.43 | _mel_ | teraflops: don't wanted to start this discussion. sorry. but to me it don't feel like any advantage at all. mount-bind doesn't work like before, time is not written to rtc on reboot and so on and so on. not one real problem is solved with it. for example, using systemd and logrotate with old script just doent make any sense imho .-) |
| 10:30.44 | freakyy | mazert: i tried setting to really low bandwidth and resolution but still the same problem - continues lagging |
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| 10:30.52 | freakyy | maybe its flowplayer causing it? |
| 10:30.54 | freakyy | i cant test |
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| 10:31.24 | teraflops | _mel_: then drop it, or continue it in #debian-offtopic |
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| 10:32.20 | _mel_ | teraflops: sorry, but apache not restarting on logrotate is off-toppic. didn't exprect that too |
| 10:32.34 | mazert | freakyy: is you cpu or gpu consumption correct ? |
| 10:33.09 | teraflops | _mel_: blaming systemd because of your ignorance is offtopic sorry |
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| 10:33.47 | freakyy | yes everythings fine |
| 10:33.51 | freakyy | the game runs without problems |
| 10:33.56 | freakyy | i have a good pc |
| 10:34.03 | freakyy | mazert: |
| 10:34.12 | p0rt | hey, I'm having trouble connecting to wireless networks. Whenever I try to connect, wpa_supplicant disconnects and tells me that pre-shared key may be incorrect, which is not true. |
| 10:34.30 | petn-randall | hexnewbie: I wouldn't call that 'supported' though, as it's a huge hack, and I don't quite understand how you can write the sparse file back to the block device without overwriting the sparse file itself. |
| 10:34.36 | p0rt | it says "reason=3 locally_generated=1" |
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| 10:37.53 | tMH- | hello everyone. |
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| 10:39.17 | teraflops | p0rt: what is the exact wireless nic model, also which network manager are you using? |
| 10:39.17 | tMH- | I have had debian wheezy installed on RK3188 media player, i.e., there's no BIOS, no grub(2) installed etc.. the question: how it is possible to change console resolution? |
| 10:39.35 | tMH- | set it 80x15, or 640x480...? |
| 10:39.40 | tMH- | 80x25 even. |
| 10:39.52 | tMH- | thanks in advance. |
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| 10:42.11 | petn-randall | _mel_: 1) You can still use plain old sysv init in jessie, nobody is stopping you. 2) Stop spreading FUD, nobody ever mentioned anything about a webserver in kernel mode. 3) You haven't even debugged your issue yet, yet you blame systemd for it. People won't be willing to help you if you continue like that. |
| 10:42.45 | mazert | freakyy: and what software do you use ? I stream sometimes with simplescreenrecorder in rmtp without any problems |
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| 10:43.13 | dearfibonacci | Hello. Kernel related: can boot to working kernel and stuff like that, but when I call from my mono gtk# app "reboot -f " it does actually reboot the system, but stops with(serial log):reading uImage Error reading cluster** Unable to read file uImage ** |
| 10:43.39 | Virgo | should I go for ubuntu or debian? |
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| 10:44.26 | teraflops | freakyy: idk about red5 but it uses java and the stream uses flash ^. take a look at your cpu load aso check bandwidth and (if it' possible) try to play the video from the lan |
| 10:44.53 | petn-randall | Virgo: Depends on what your use case is. But you'll probably get a unanimous "Use Debian" from this channel. |
| 10:45.26 | teraflops | Virgo: use debian ;) |
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| 10:46.00 | mazert | debian needs some knowledges. If you are a gnu/linux beginner, you can start with xubuntu, and then go to debian. |
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| 10:46.13 | unborn | Virgo: I was using ubuntu for about 3 years.. defo go with debian. I made switch to debian and its way much better |
| 10:46.36 | unborn | Virgo: if you new to linux, download non-free iso |
| 10:46.45 | unborn | it have all drivers in |
| 10:47.04 | Virgo | Last time I used debian was a few years ago - back then squeeze was released |
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| 10:47.08 | Virgo | If I remember well |
| 10:47.24 | Virgo | unborn that's nice |
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| 10:50.30 | teraflops | dearfibonacci: arm? |
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| 10:54.36 | p0rt | teraflops: it's a Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter |
| 10:54.45 | p0rt | teraflops: at least lspci says so |
| 10:55.19 | unborn | mazert: if he want to use debian for every day computer use - there is not need any knowledge, not with jessie release |
| 10:55.24 | teraflops | and the network manager? you use NM, /e/n/i ? |
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| 11:03.53 | tMH- | anyone? |
| 11:04.02 | p0rt | teraflops: I have NM running |
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| 11:28.34 | _mel_ | petn-randall: 1. my first question was how can i debug this! 2. maybe i didn't make it clear at the beginning, but on wheezy the same config runs. so what would be your way of dbugging this? |
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| 11:35.21 | airmac | https://www.eobot.com/new.aspx?referid=208540 |
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| 11:49.44 | Gaiseric | Hello everyone! I asked the following 2 days ago, but got no answer, so perhaps it's OK to ask again: Running Jessie here, and I wonder about the recent iceweasel -> firefox-esr update: It doesn't conflict with latest "firefox" from backports if run side-by-side, right? I assume it uses "~/.firefox-esr" for storing the profile? |
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| 11:50.50 | Gaiseric | would remove iceweasel/firefox-esr completely if gnome-core didn't depend on it |
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| 11:56.50 | hellyeah | hey i am using debian jessie |
| 11:56.58 | hellyeah | anyone use brackers.io here? |
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| 12:23.22 | CropsUp | Hello, I have a problem with nvidia geforce 750m(proprietary drivers) and vlc, while I'm watching a video that is flickering (mplayer work well). When I change prime-select with intel gpu bug has been gone. |
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| 12:28.39 | teraflops | CropsUp: vlc sucks, xorg sucks as well and nvidia blob does not help btw. if you google/ddg: linux video flickering you'll make an idea |
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| 12:29.35 | jmd | What is the correct way in debian to set kernel options in Grub? |
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| 12:30.00 | teraflops | /etc/default/grub |
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| 12:31.38 | jmd | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX ?? |
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| 12:32.42 | CropsUp | teraflops, I know it fall down within nvidia and xorg but I have been no problems with kodi and mplayer. |
| 12:33.02 | teraflops | jmd: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT |
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| 12:35.32 | teraflops | CropsUp: kodi does a lot of magic like adjusting refresh rate and a pretty good hwdec |
| 12:36.09 | teraflops | CropsUp: and imo vlc is getting worse and worse in each release |
| 12:36.53 | CropsUp | teraflops, uhm, I'm getting it. |
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| 12:37.13 | teraflops | CropsUp: if you have a modern intel gpu (I smell intel HD) youre more than fine using it for video playback |
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| 12:38.03 | CropsUp | teraflops, of curse, I have intel hd on haswell cpu |
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| 12:39.49 | teraflops | CropsUp: if you do mplayer im pretty sure youll enjoy mpv |
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| 12:43.06 | Gaiseric | Question (somewhat related to my previous unanswered one): How can I force apt-get to consider a package as "provided"? I'm sure there is a way, but can't find which config I must change. I want to satisfy I rather silly metapackage. |
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| 12:43.47 | Gaiseric | BTW, +1 for mpv, it's GREAT. And works nicely with vaapi for video acceleration on Haswell |
| 12:44.09 | markybob | !tell Gaiseric about equivs |
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| 12:44.26 | Gaiseric | No reason to use discreet graphics for video playback on a dual-gpu system |
| 12:44.32 | CropsUp | teraflops, Thanks you! |
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| 12:46.02 | DeElsasser | hello tous |
| 12:46.41 | Gaiseric | s/discreet/discrete/... ugh |
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| 12:47.17 | Gaiseric | markybob: Thanks! All that because I want to remove iceweasel with removing gnome.... ugh |
| 12:47.38 | Gaiseric | markybob: Wasn't there a package.provided file or something? |
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| 12:49.41 | petn-randall | _mel_: Pretty much every other piece of software changed between wheezy and jessie. Why single out systemd? Anyways, it sounds like apache2 failed to stop. So it got a SIGTERM signal and chose to ignore it. What do apache2's error logs say around that time? |
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| 13:08.13 | rysiek|pl | dear all, I have a weird ask |
| 13:08.21 | rysiek|pl | do we have people from Asia here? |
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| 13:08.56 | rysiek|pl | I need to verify ping times on 3 IPs, and have no host in Asia to do so. |
| 13:09.16 | rysiek|pl | yes, the hosts are all Debian ;) |
| 13:09.24 | markybob | rysiek|pl: singapore |
| 13:09.34 | boubou | hey guys |
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| 13:09.46 | boubou | I cant monitor disk using snmp |
| 13:09.53 | markybob | rysiek|pl: sure |
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| 13:25.00 | rgr | its testing but -next is empty and I need a quick help. where does the system determine where to login via a gui or not. for years I login via command line and then "startx" but now its comping up with some GUI login manager and so Im not getting my xinit and default WM (xmonad) up. |
| 13:25.23 | rgr | (just did an update) |
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| 13:26.27 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 13:26.28 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
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| 13:27.27 | somiaj | rgr: afiak the display manager services check the file /etc/X11/default-display-manager to decide if they shoudl really run or not (this way you only have one running). So if you want to disable display manager all togther follow that advise for putting false in the required file |
| 13:28.01 | JonBewo | my cronjobs are not running and this is the error message in syslog "Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session" |
| 13:28.02 | rgr | none of those installed. |
| 13:28.09 | rgr | will do |
| 13:28.26 | JonBewo | debian version 8.5 |
| 13:28.38 | somiaj | rgr: or do you just want to get your gui manager to correctly load your display manager that is another story |
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| 13:37.26 | _mel_ | petn-randall: i didn't found _any_ message in apache. so yes. i agree its not systemd (because it is not used in the logrotate). it was just a wild guess. on cgi i often get long lost child log entries. but there is nothing. the shutdown "AH00491: caught SIGTERM, shutting down" message is the last entry |
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| 13:59.24 | ceerem | hi |
| 13:59.58 | ceerem | Hm, this doesn't 100% belong into this channel, but still I think that software recomenndations may still somehow fit in here |
| 14:00.13 | ceerem | anyhow, I am looking for a CRM that is 1) opensoruce and 2) supports carddav |
| 14:00.24 | ceerem | because I want to use the contacts I already manage on mail/caldav server |
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| 14:00.42 | ceerem | it wouldn't make sense to add those imports again - no, this would be horrible because I wouldh have to manage two contact sites :O |
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| 14:03.49 | abrotman | ceerem: and runs on Debian? |
| 14:05.08 | ceerem | abrotman: when it is web based - sure :O |
| 14:05.18 | ceerem | I want to run as much as possible on linux/debian |
| 14:05.26 | ceerem | In a VM or container |
| 14:05.44 | abrotman | I thought SugarCRM was OSS, but maybe it was just free (not Free) |
| 14:05.59 | abrotman | oh, it became SuiteCRM |
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| 14:07.43 | ceerem | abrotman: the seller for me would be that it supports somehow integrating contact data from carddav/exchange/activesync |
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| 14:07.55 | ceerem | abrotman: I am migrating from outlook horror setup to sogo/imap |
| 14:08.00 | ceerem | which is nice with openchange and all that |
| 14:08.06 | ceerem | but the CRM _must_ integrate that data |
| 14:08.13 | abrotman | I'm not sure about CardDAV support, you'll have to do some research. There are a few others out there also |
| 14:08.50 | abrotman | ceerem: though, this isn't encouraging ... https://suitecrm.com/forum/suggestion-box/2706-caldav-carddav-support-as-a-client-and-server |
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| 14:12.06 | ceerem | abrotman: hm, how do others use a CRM? I mean, there are contacts, right? and those contacts should be in CRM and mobile phone, etc - hence the need for sync or data integration. And the protocols are all there already - so I wonder that there isn't this feature everywhere... |
| 14:12.56 | jelly | ceerem: crm software is almost always a framework to add missing functionality and adapt to your workflow (and more than often, adapt your business workflows to whatever software you choose) |
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| 14:14.10 | ceerem | jelly: aha! so a CRM is more like an extension - for groupware or mail user agents? From that standpoint, what groupware or what kind of software could I use to get this crm integration? |
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| 14:16.03 | jelly | I suspect it's probably the other way around, you may have to integrate mail and calendar and user directory service to push information into your CRM |
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| 14:17.16 | ceerem | I see! |
| 14:17.39 | ceerem | jelly: but I really want a CRM then that supports those external servers - because I want to use the contacts on mobile, desktop, online, too. Including calendar stuff and all that |
| 14:17.54 | ceerem | jelly: so I have to look for a CRM that supports IMAP? hmm I guess this is also not trivial |
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| 14:18.05 | ceerem | maybe CRMs are a thing of past already? |
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| 14:19.36 | spectie | hey all, how can i pin so that i can get ghc 7.10 instead of 7.6 if i'm using jessie |
| 14:19.44 | petn-randall | ceerem: owncloud or the nextcloud fork support this. Then there's radicale. |
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| 14:20.29 | markybob | spectie: 7.10 is in jessie-backports. https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 14:20.33 | petn-randall | Oh wait, you're looking specifically for CRMs, sorry. |
| 14:21.19 | boubou | hey guys |
| 14:21.22 | boubou | I cant monitor disk using snmp |
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| 14:21.45 | boubou | I edited my snmpd.conf correctly |
| 14:21.56 | boubou | by uncommenting disk lines... |
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| 14:22.52 | petn-randall | boubou: Do you get any errors from snmpd? |
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| 14:22.57 | spectie | markybob, thanks! |
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| 14:23.45 | boubou | petn-randall, how can I check it ? |
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| 14:24.15 | petn-randall | boubou: Probably /var/log/daemon.log, but you should check the documentation where snmpd logs to. |
| 14:24.38 | ceerem | petn-randall: radicale? hmm |
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| 14:25.55 | vlt | During the boot process of a Debian 7 machine I see this error message: "[drm:i915_init] *ERROR* drm/i915 canât work without intel_agp module!". The X application that should run after boot (x2goclient) doesnât start. Could this be related? Any idea how to fix this? |
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| 14:27.01 | ceerem | petn-randall: hm, the card/caldav *dav thing is solved so far - I need the CRM - or as you said the other way around - the CRM + all the requires services |
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| 14:27.12 | ceerem | but tbh - I always see the CRM as the issue - it must support this integration |
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| 14:30.53 | spectie | markybob, do you use haskell ? |
| 14:30.59 | spectie | have you seen this error before? unrecognized option `--extra-prog-path=/home/fran/.cabal/bin' |
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| 14:36.39 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 14:36.57 | jak2000 | how to execute, a .sh command, but seeing tep by step the execution? |
| 14:37.40 | greycat | How do you normally execute it? What is the shebang line? |
| 14:37.51 | spectie | jak2000, bash -X |
| 14:37.57 | spectie | ops |
| 14:38.01 | spectie | bash -x <command> |
| 14:38.02 | greycat | You mean bash -x, lowercase, but that assumes it is a bash script. |
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| 14:38.14 | greycat | If it's an sh script, then sh -x |
| 14:38.35 | abrotman | ceerem: I do'nt use a CRM (anymore, yay). It really is up to the company. Some only use them internally |
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| 14:40.13 | ceerem | abrotman: hm, how do you keep track on customers and proposals/invoices? are there other better tools? |
| 14:40.25 | ceerem | I really would want some invoice creation that someone with less technical knowledge could use |
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| 14:40.35 | ceerem | like pdf template as input |
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| 15:23.03 | mimtf | how can i install vnc server? |
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| 15:23.59 | markybob | mimtf: are you using gnome? |
| 15:24.09 | mimtf | markybob: i donât know |
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| 15:24.13 | mimtf | how can i know it? |
| 15:24.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | are you running debian linux? :P |
| 15:24.36 | markybob | mimtf: then you probably are. most newbies who dont know are (it's default). apt-get install vino if it's not already installed |
| 15:24.50 | mimtf | NoImNotNineVolt: yes |
| 15:24.53 | epsilon | install tightvncserver or any vncserver of your favour - there is no much difference |
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| 15:25.27 | mimtf | thanks epsilon :) |
| 15:25.57 | TomTomTosch | but if you have gnome, you probably already have vino, so markybob's suggestion wasn't that bad. |
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| 15:26.26 | mimtf | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) |
| 15:26.26 | mimtf | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 15:26.31 | mimtf | whatâs wrong? |
| 15:26.38 | markybob | sudo or su |
| 15:26.42 | TomTomTosch | " are you root?" |
| 15:26.46 | mimtf | thanks markybob |
| 15:27.13 | markybob | yeah, you have gnome. configure vino |
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| 15:28.41 | markybob | you do that via gnome-control-center btw |
| 15:28.57 | mimtf | thanks then how can i use vncserver? |
| 15:29.45 | jmcnaught | mimtf: if you go to "Settings" there is a sharing icon. on that screen you can configure screen sharing. |
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| 15:43.24 | moon_ | is there anything similar to taskmanager for debian? |
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| 15:43.59 | croddy | moon_: lots and lots of options. the traditional one is to run 'top' in a terminal |
| 15:44.15 | moon_ | ok thanks |
| 15:44.16 | jmcnaught | moon_: as i just told you on OFTC, there is the top command, and desktop environments also have system monitor tools. but please don't cross post |
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| 15:45.59 | JohnA | has anybody installed debian as a base system for kodi. If so what is the minium config for debain + kodi? |
| 15:46.22 | greycat | !kodi |
| 15:46.22 | dpkg | XBMC (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application. XBMCbuntu and XBMC Live are Linux distributions based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC, they are not supported in #debian. XBMC v13 ("Gotham") is available from <wheezy-backports>. XBMC will be renamed to Kodi for v14. http://kodi.tv/ #kodi on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:46.55 | jmcnaught | JohnA: installing the kodi packages (they're in jessie-backports) should bring in the minimum requirements for it |
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| 15:48.39 | moon_ | thats 4 away to what i set debian's virtual ram to :L |
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| 15:48.54 | mimtf | how i can connect to vncserver? |
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| 15:49.26 | sm00th | anybody able to open this page? http://www.spi.dod.mil/lipose.htm |
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| 15:50.12 | sm00th | I see whats going on nvm. the https cert is invalid |
| 15:50.29 | greycat | it's not an https URL |
| 15:50.37 | sm00th | you have to add it |
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| 15:50.44 | sm00th | my bad |
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| 15:51.24 | markybob | dod.mil with an invalid certificate. sounds about right. |
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| 15:51.34 | sm00th | markybob, pretty sad... |
| 15:51.44 | JohnA | jmcnaught: That is what I thought should happen. But when I tried to start kodi it blow up because there is no gui installed. as the only thing on the box will be odi, i did not want to install gnome et al from the install as they bring a lot of baggage with themselves. |
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| 15:51.56 | sm00th | markybob, probably after the latest openssl update i bet. |
| 15:51.57 | greycat | The more powerful and important an organization is, the worse their IT is. |
| 15:52.10 | sm00th | :( |
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| 15:53.06 | JohnA | sm00th: Doonald will fix that!!! |
| 15:53.31 | jmcnaught | JohnA: i am not a kodi user, but generally Debian packages will depend on packages that are required, and recommend packages that provide features most people would want (recommends are installed by default). I really doubt that GNOME is a requirement for kodi. |
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| 15:53.48 | sm00th | sm00th, nah i'm for Hillary, she was smart enough to use her own server lmao. state department servers are still hacked, its crazy. |
| 15:54.13 | sm00th | donalds hotels get hacked every couple months, lost of cc's stolen. |
| 15:54.42 | markybob | it's also offtopic. #debian-offtopic if you want to talk politics |
| 15:54.55 | sm00th | lol sorry |
| 15:55.18 | ToTheInternet | apt-get upgrade froze. what do i do? i believe it might have to do with the fact that /var/ ran out of space. i cleared some but apt is still not resuming |
| 15:55.35 | ToTheInternet | don't want to kill process because of lock file |
| 15:55.36 | greycat | If you run out of space, it won't hang. It will abort with errors. |
| 15:56.08 | greycat | Just Ctrl-C it and run it again, and it'll pick up where it left off, with another mirror name resolution, so possibly using a different mirror that isn't so unresponsive. |
| 15:56.22 | ToTheInternet | last thing it said was: preparing to unpack .../redis-server_2%3a3.2.0-3_amd64.deb |
| 15:56.29 | ToTheInternet | greycat: can't ctrl-C |
| 15:56.36 | greycat | Oh, unpacking. Not downloading. Yeah, don't interrupt that one. |
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| 15:56.48 | ToTheInternet | it won't let me anyway |
| 15:56.58 | greycat | What do you mean? |
| 15:56.59 | JohnA | jmcnaught: thhats what I thought, well I will try installing a lxde and see what happens? |
| 15:57.00 | greycat | Did you try? |
| 15:57.05 | ToTheInternet | greycat: yes |
| 15:57.27 | greycat | You hit Ctrl-C and nothing happened? Then it's probably in Ctrl-S state. Try pressing Ctrl-Q. |
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| 15:57.42 | ToTheInternet | greycat: nothing |
| 15:57.50 | ToTheInternet | ctrl-D maybe? |
| 15:57.51 | greycat | Maybe the entire computer is locked up. |
| 15:57.54 | ChrisH | check ps -efl |
| 15:58.05 | greycat | No, don't make up keystrokes. Ctrl-S/Ctrl-Q is a very specific thing. |
| 15:58.06 | jmcnaught | JohnA: any DE or WM that you want to use should be fine |
| 15:58.27 | ToTheInternet | ChrisH: it shows me a lot of output, what am i looking for exactly? |
| 15:58.30 | greycat | Is *anything* responding at all on that computer? |
| 15:58.39 | greycat | Ah, ps ran. So it's not totally locked. |
| 15:58.40 | ToTheInternet | greycat: yes, everything is |
| 15:58.50 | ToTheInternet | i'm writing from that computer as we speak |
| 15:59.17 | ChrisH | ToTheInternet: check the processes spawned from your update. and check dmesg |
| 15:59.19 | ToTheInternet | the apt-get process has 4% CPU usage and 0.2% memory usage |
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| 16:00.46 | cdb23ax | hello i cant shutdown debian without power off. init 0 always gives The system is going DOWN to maintenance mode in 1 minute! |
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| 16:01.23 | greycat | The regular commands for shutdown and reboot are "shutdown -h" and "shutdown -r" respectively. Debian 8 no longer uses numeric run levels. |
| 16:01.33 | cdb23ax | this message repeats every minute but the system is running |
| 16:02.36 | ToTheInternet | ChrisH: it has one child process, dpkg |
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| 16:03.21 | ToTheInternet | ChrisH: and dpkg has one child process itself, which is /bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/redis-server.prerm upgrade 2:3.2.0-3 |
| 16:03.35 | cdb23ax | The system is going down to maintenance mode NOW! and then The system is going DOWN to maintenance mode in 1 minute! |
| 16:03.45 | cdb23ax | i issued a shutdown -h now |
| 16:04.13 | cdb23ax | then after a minute The system is going down to maintenance mode NOW! and The system is going DOWN to maintenance mode in 1 minute! the same messages again |
| 16:04.31 | jmcnaught | cdb23ax: what does "systemctl poweroff" do? |
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| 16:06.42 | ChrisH | ToTheInternet: I would now use strace/truss -p on the PID of the extracting process |
| 16:06.44 | cdb23ax | systemctl poweroff -akhPnc -t now says shutdown: not running. |
| 16:07.35 | ToTheInternet | ChrisH: wait4(-1, |
| 16:08.02 | ToTheInternet | thats the output of sudo strace -p 29488 |
| 16:08.04 | jelly | ToTheInternet: add -f to the strace options. |
| 16:08.15 | cdb23ax | systemctl poweroff without any params wont do anything it just shows me the arguments |
| 16:08.23 | ToTheInternet | jelly: same output |
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| 16:08.55 | jelly | ToTheInternet: then figure out which child process it's waiting for, and strace that one |
| 16:10.50 | jelly | pstree may be useful |
| 16:10.50 | ToTheInternet | systemctl |
| 16:10.50 | ToTheInternet | ppoll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, NULL, NULL, 8 |
| 16:10.50 | jelly | ha |
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| 16:10.50 | jelly | welcome to asynchronous bus land. |
| 16:10.50 | ToTheInternet | thanks. how did i end up here though |
| 16:11.21 | JohnA | jmcnaught: sorry away for 5. Thanks I picked cinnamon. but I am not sure if I am going to get a bunch of extraneous stuff. I think I need to take a look at a minimum graphic install - "google is yur freind" I think! |
| 16:11.41 | ToTheInternet | jelly: this is pstree | grep redis |
| 16:11.43 | ToTheInternet | sudo---apt-get---dpkg---redis-server.pr---invoke-rc.d---systemctl---systemd-tty-ask |
| 16:11.45 | greycat | Pretty sure Google viral marketing came up with tha tone. |
| 16:12.13 | greycat | systemd-tty-ask makes it sound like it thinks it's asking you a question on a terminal |
| 16:12.41 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ man -k tty-ask |
| 16:12.42 | greycat | systemd-tty-ask-password-agent (1) - List or process pending systemd password... |
| 16:12.56 | greycat | Dear god, what.... |
| 16:13.19 | ToTheInternet | hm... |
| 16:13.21 | jelly | ToTheInternet: ho-hum, that -tty-ask thing implies you should be getting a question in the controling tty... |
| 16:13.22 | jmcnaught | JohnA: personally i wouldn't worry too much about how much gets installed |
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| 16:13.36 | ToTheInternet | there is no question, i hit return numerous times |
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| 16:13.52 | ToTheInternet | the terminal is responsive, it does a line break, but nothing happens |
| 16:14.29 | ToTheInternet | i also tried to put in y and then return |
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| 16:14.40 | jelly | ToTheInternet: short and dirty answer: I'd kill just the leaf systemd-tty-ask process; longer answer: don't touch anything, ask in #debian-systemd over of OFTC |
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| 16:15.09 | jelly | over on* irc.OFTC.net (also known as irc.debian.org) |
| 16:15.17 | ToTheInternet | jelly: its 6.15 pm, the short answer is very tempting |
| 16:15.30 | DoberMann | hi, i'm trying to find debian-8.2.0-armhf-DVD-2.iso and i can't find it anywhere on the internet |
| 16:15.35 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 16:15.58 | JohnA | jmcnaught: I agree, except that for two things 1 the junk takes up space - not a problem as I have a largish HDD. 2 - I can interfere with things like sys main - all those extra packages that nobody uses but which keep getting updated. 2a - those packages might provide an attack vector. |
| 16:16.20 | jelly | DoberMann: under http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ probably |
| 16:16.32 | DoberMann | generally speaking there seems to be missing DVDs and CD isos for armhf (only the first 3 CDs and the first DVD are available) |
| 16:16.40 | DoberMann | jelly: no :/ |
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| 16:17.23 | DoberMann | jelly: jigdo does not work either |
| 16:17.33 | jelly | DoberMann: that's a bug to be reported, then |
| 16:17.33 | wobelingers | wwwdebian.rog |
| 16:17.38 | wobelingers | www.debian.org |
| 16:17.47 | jelly | wobelingers: yes, what about it? |
| 16:18.03 | jmcnaught | JohnA: if your kodi system will be accessible to the public internet they sure, worry about it. But i've seen people sink a lot of hours into saving what amounts to a few hundred megabytes, often struggling with stuff that doesn't work because recommended packages are missing |
| 16:19.18 | wobelingers | https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 16:19.20 | ToTheInternet | jelly: killed systemd-tty-ask process, nothing happened |
| 16:19.35 | ToTheInternet | except systemd now has a child process that is DEFUNCT |
| 16:19.37 | wobelingers | you can find |
| 16:20.03 | ToTheInternet | sorry, systemctl i mean |
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| 16:20.32 | markybob | wobelingers: no. there's no armhf dvd2 there |
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| 16:20.58 | jelly | and there's definitely no "old jessie point release dvd image" |
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| 16:22.18 | jelly | DoberMann: I feel your pain. The only way I can think of that jigdo could be recreated was to pinpoint it at the right timestamp for jessie, somewhere on snapshot.debian.org |
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| 16:23.21 | jelly | DoberMann: and if you can do it, you might as well just add that timestamped repo to your installation directly |
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| 16:25.15 | jelly | DoberMann: see /msg dpkg sdo, and /msg dpkg 8.2 for an approximate timestamp to pick |
| 16:25.36 | JohnA | Installing Cinnamon gets kodi working! but breaks a couple of other things, I suspect that its how I did the install not the apps themselves - I cut a few corners - me bad. I'll do a reinstall and see how it goes. Thanks for the help |
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| 16:27.46 | cdb23ax | can someone help? i cannot shutdown my debian box where xen is running on it |
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| 16:27.56 | DoberMann | jelly: i've already though of this workaound, but this is a bit dirty (my aim is to use ISOs as local repository for a bunch of servers) |
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| 16:28.33 | ToTheInternet | jelly: i killed the parent of systemd-tty-ask which was systemctl. then apt gave a warning and moved on to the next package. now its hanging again, and there is a new systemd-tty-ask process... |
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| 16:31.32 | gluon | assuming i'm keeping my own repo of a few repackaged debs would listing my repo as the first source at sources.list be all i need to make sure my own packages would be installed/upgraded instead of the official ones? |
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| 16:32.54 | sondr3 | I just installed Debian on my Hetzner server, and I get "perl: warning: Setting locale failed.", how do I properly set my locale for this to go away? |
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| 16:34.16 | Zodo | Anyone here use pidgin? |
| 16:34.19 | jelly | sondr3: pastebin the output of "locale" in that shell, please |
| 16:34.26 | Zodo | Know where the default sounds are stored? |
| 16:34.26 | jelly | !paste |
| 16:34.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 16:35.15 | jelly | Zodo: dpkg -L pidgin-data | grep wav |
| 16:35.37 | Zodo | Thank you jelly. |
| 16:35.40 | sondr3 | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/740349/ |
| 16:36.10 | ToTheInternet | jelly, was able to get apt-get to stop, then did dpkg --configure -a and it ran sucessfully. then i had to do apt-get -f install to fix the broken redis install, and now it froze again |
| 16:36.34 | sondr3 | I googled it too and people said to add "AcceptEnv LANG LC_*" to sshd_config but it was already there |
| 16:36.34 | ToTheInternet | could be a bug with the package, right? should i report to redis mailing list? |
| 16:36.46 | jelly | sondr3: LC_CTYPE=UTF-8 ... "UTF-8" locale exists on Mac OS X, and the ssh client transfers it to your Linux, but it is not legal on Debian |
| 16:36.59 | sondr3 | oh, okay |
| 16:37.20 | Zodo | Default sound behavior for pidgin is horrible. |
| 16:37.34 | jelly | sondr3: in fact, the existence of that AcceptEnv is what creates the issue. |
| 16:37.47 | sondr3 | yeah, I read the StackOverflow question wrong |
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| 16:38.25 | jelly | ToTheInternet: ask the systemd people what to do next and where the hell that tty ask process ends up writing to |
| 16:38.26 | sondr3 | jelly: thanks, removing that worked |
| 16:38.32 | greycat | jelly: well, accepting LANG is fine, but you may have to translate it. It's better to have the client's spelling so you CAN translate it, than to blithely and wrongly guess. |
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| 16:38.55 | jelly | greycat: it's not LANG, it's LC_CTYPE |
| 16:39.16 | jelly | and the OSX one just does not exist on Debian's glibc locale |
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| 16:40.00 | jelly | we could accomodate Mac users and create an extra alias for C.UTF-8 maybe |
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| 16:40.32 | jelly | but that AcceptEnv typically just causes more trouble than it's worth |
| 16:40.33 | unborn | Zodo: use xchat or hexchat |
| 16:40.35 | jhutchins | Zodo: Pidgin voice conferencing has been "almost working" for at least ten years. |
| 16:41.02 | Zodo | I won't elaborate because. *I'm in an unsupported state* |
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| 16:41.13 | jelly | state of confusion? |
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| 16:41.31 | Zodo | I haven't even attempted voice stuff. Just trying to prevent the Bursting beep altering my sound levels. |
| 16:42.10 | Zodo | State of Debian 7.5 |
| 16:43.10 | jelly | Zodo: disable sounds and leave it at that? |
| 16:43.48 | hiya | is there a way to factory reset Debian installation without reinstalling it from Web Panel in case of KVM hostings / VPS? |
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| 16:44.09 | Zodo | nah, I'm working with the command line option now. paplay --volume=62258 /usr/share/sounds/purple/send.wav |
| 16:44.29 | Zodo | That's what I have thus far. Reducing the sound just enough to prevent the blast. |
| 16:44.41 | greycat | hiya: I strongly doubt it. Even if you purged and reinstalled each package one by one, there is still some non-package state that's set during installation (hostname, etc.). |
| 16:44.48 | sm00th | ya thats the only problem i have with debian. |
| 16:45.11 | sm00th | when settings balance levels, or surround sound speaker levels. once another sound source places they all revert |
| 16:45.17 | greycat | (and you *can't* purge any of the packages that are required to run dpkg, because you'd be dead) |
| 16:45.23 | sm00th | alsot he master volume from panel reverts them. |
| 16:48.39 | sm00th | arch and fedora also ahve this issue, only ubuntu and mint don't. |
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| 16:48.39 | cdb23ax | okay even a kill -9 1 2 3 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 15 16 17 18 20 21 22 23 25 26 27 28 30 31 32 33 35 36 37 38 40 41 42 43 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 60 61 62 67 68 69 71 119 120 121 122 124 126 128 129 130 131 139 140 142 143 156 157 164 171 173 182 187 188 192 212 259 265 268 326 327 531 533 580 597 2779 3304 7321 7331 7658 8918 11230 13268 19314 22999 24545 24552 25689 25755 27392 28104 28106 28853 28855 28856 29130 29131 2 |
| 16:48.39 | cdb23ax | 9142 29233 29370 29378 |
| 16:48.39 | cdb23ax | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:48.39 | cdb23ax | the server is up and i dont know what to do |
| 16:48.39 | greycat | cdb23ax: just pulling the power cable would have been less destructive |
| 16:48.39 | unborn | hiya: that is not very much advised - if that is server reinstall is always best bet |
| 16:48.39 | jhutchins | cdb23ax: Can you power cycle it? |
| 16:48.48 | cdb23ax | no iam not infront of it |
| 16:48.58 | unborn | hiya: only if you have snapshot and your hosting supports it |
| 16:49.11 | cdb23ax | my problem is that i need the ip adress elsewhere and i only have 5 ip adresses to use |
| 16:49.33 | hiya | Ok thanks |
| 16:49.33 | hiya | : |
| 16:49.35 | hiya | :D |
| 16:49.38 | hiya | I would reinstall from Web Panel now |
| 16:49.39 | hiya | :D |
| 16:49.46 | cdb23ax | is there some way to temporary kill the network service so that it wont came back up until next reboot? |
| 16:50.07 | unborn | yeah |
| 16:50.07 | greycat | cdb23ax: ifdown eth0 (etc.) |
| 16:50.23 | unborn | cdb23ax: ^^^ |
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| 16:50.30 | Zodo | Thank you jelly. That tiny bit was enough for me to patch and resolve my issue. (Functional work around) |
| 16:50.39 | cdb23ax | root@debian:/home/xen# ifdown eth0 |
| 16:50.39 | cdb23ax | root@debian:/home/xen# |
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| 16:51.05 | jhutchins | cdb23ax: have you tried systemctl --force reboot? |
| 16:51.08 | cdb23ax | okay i did a ifdown eth0 and iam a little bit confused now |
| 16:51.11 | greycat | Of course you have to specify the interaces that are actually in use. |
| 16:51.17 | cdb23ax | because the eth0 is not down :D |
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| 16:51.22 | greycat | One would expect you to *check* that first. |
| 16:51.38 | cdb23ax | systemctl: invalid option -- '-' |
| 16:52.03 | sm00th | a normal shutdown doesn't work? |
| 16:52.07 | jhutchins | Hrmn. Let me dig a bit deeper for the syntax. I'd try systemctl reboot --force next. |
| 16:52.42 | sm00th | shutdown -h now? |
| 16:52.47 | jelly | cdb23ax: which debian release is this supposed to be again? |
| 16:53.00 | sm00th | or I think i normally just do shutdown now |
| 16:53.25 | cdb23ax | its debian jessie |
| 16:53.41 | jelly | jhutchins: the manual page states "systemctl --force reboot" is legal, but... this is systemd documentation we're talking about |
| 16:53.42 | greycat | You still need to check which interfaces are in use. |
| 16:53.57 | sondr3 | how do I change how my system was partitioned? It gave / 1TB of space which is a bit overkill for my needs |
| 16:54.01 | jhutchins | jelly: Yeah, that was last week. |
| 16:54.21 | cdb23ax | okay ifconfig br0 down did it |
| 16:54.24 | jhutchins | also systemctl -f reboot, or systemctl reboot -f |
| 16:54.25 | jelly | I'd go with sysrq ;-) |
| 16:54.32 | bezaban | sm00th: OT, but 'shutdown now' can be bad on some other distros (not sure if they fixed it). If done remotely you may put the machine in single user mode without network ;) (friend did that to about 150 machines once) |
| 16:54.48 | sm00th | bezaban, oh I see |
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| 16:55.08 | sm00th | bezaban, man that must of sucked lol |
| 16:55.13 | jhutchins | bezaban: There's some variation as to whether "shutdown" includes "halt". Ususally shutdown -h now will halt, but not always. |
| 16:55.47 | jhutchins | afik in posix shutdown != halt. |
| 16:55.49 | jelly | it's not a real halt unless you get back to PROM prompt! |
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| 16:58.15 | bezaban | nods |
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| 17:50.53 | LVLAaron | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=128778 - anyone have any color to add? |
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| 17:53.50 | allure | Samba server is asking for password for some users and not for others when it was not supposed to ask for a password and logs won't give me anything for some reason. This is the config: http://paste.debian.net/740367/ |
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| 17:58.12 | plum | hi |
| 17:59.35 | plum | on debian jessie, I have a script running when network comes on (/etc/network/if-up.d/), but it can't seem to input data into files... |
| 18:00.18 | plum | I don't see any errors, and it can create files via touch, but actually echoing information into said files just doesn't happen |
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