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| 14:25.46 | Alexrocksdude | are the debian team still working on iceweasal or has that project been given up on since the new esr firefox was added |
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| 14:27.09 | serty | hi, what do you think about this pinning? http://pastebin.com/viztLnwe |
| 14:27.10 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3600 seems like the best brief reference |
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| 14:28.23 | Alexrocksdude | ah that really sucks |
| 14:28.31 | Alexrocksdude | there is just so much cancer in the esr |
| 14:28.47 | Alexrocksdude | after install it just opens 3 tabs of mozilla shilling itself |
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| 14:29.53 | somiaj | Alexrocksdude: even if debian were still rebranding firefox as iceweasel it would still be using the same firefox-esr as the base. |
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| 14:33.48 | greycat | dpkg, iceweasel is also <https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/> |
| 14:33.48 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 14:38.00 | jhutchins | Alexrocksdude: icewease was never a fork of firefox, just a re-branding. |
| 14:38.08 | jhutchins | Alexrocksdude: The codebase was the same. |
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| 14:39.51 | Alexrocksdude | i thought debian did more than just backport security updates, ie. remove the junk that default firefox has |
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| 14:40.32 | jhutchins | Alexrocksdude: Well, no matter now, it's merged. |
| 14:40.35 | greycat | Whatever junk-modification was done to iceweasel, if any, will also be done to firefox-esr. It's the same maintenance team. |
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| 14:40.53 | jhutchins | That's certainly what I would expect. |
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| 15:27.07 | pronum | hi folks, if i want to dd a netinstall.iso on an empty cdrom, how do i do this? of=/dev/...? |
| 15:27.23 | greycat | You can't write to a CD with dd. You have to use a burning program. |
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| 15:27.43 | pronum | oh okay! can i also use cp? |
| 15:27.47 | greycat | cdrecord or wodim or dvd+rw-tools-something or .... |
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| 15:28.12 | pronum | okay... guess i will use an usb stick haha |
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| 15:29.27 | unborn | some people amaze me eh |
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| 15:29.45 | Wulf | pronum: use Brasero if you don't want to exert your brain too much |
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| 15:30.33 | pronum | i dont have a burning programm installed so usb stick is easier right now |
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| 15:30.38 | jhutchins | pronum: It might help if we knew what platform you're on. |
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| 15:30.53 | Wulf | pronum: apt-get install brasero |
| 15:31.07 | greycat | Section: gnome |
| 15:31.09 | greycat | Oh fucking no. |
| 15:31.17 | pronum | jhutchins im on jessie |
| 15:31.32 | greycat | Just let him use the USB stick. |
| 15:31.38 | nardul | Hey! How can I use apt-get to install a specific package from testing? (I'm thinking about golang). I can use 'apt-get install golang/testing', however golang is a meta-package, can't I do something like 'apt-get -t install golang'? Well, that doesn't work. |
| 15:32.03 | greycat | nardul: use jessie-backports, or backport it yourself, or don't DO IT at all. |
| 15:32.58 | nardul | greycat: I do have jessie-backports in my sources, I guess I am unsure why I am not using it then? Do I need to set preferences? |
| 15:33.11 | greycat | You have to use -t jessie-backports for each package you want from it. |
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| 15:33.29 | greycat | !jessie-backports |
| 15:33.29 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 15:34.05 | greycat | ,v golang |
| 15:34.06 | judd | Package: golang on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0.2-1.1; wheezy-backports: 2:1.3.3-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:1.3.3-1; jessie-backports: 2:1.5.1-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:1.6.1-2; sid: 2:1.6.1-2; stretch: 2:1.6.1+1; sid: 2:1.6.1+1 |
| 15:34.37 | greycat | Do not understand why stretch and sid are listed twice, with two different versions. |
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| 15:37.35 | nardul | greycat: But 'apt-get -t jessie-backports golang' does not do anything. |
| 15:37.43 | greycat | you forgot "install" |
| 15:38.46 | cruncher | greycat, apparently one version is for a specific architecture, and the other is "all" |
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| 15:41.27 | nardul | greycat: Sorry, I retyped, no I did not forget install. |
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| 15:42.22 | jhutchins | nardul: so dpkg -l golang - see what version you actually have. |
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| 15:42.43 | smokeysea | Hello All, the deb packages that get downloaded with apt-get; where are they getting stored? |
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| 15:43.29 | greycat | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 15:43.36 | nardul | jhutchins: 1.3*, an old version. |
| 15:43.39 | petn-randall | smokeysea: What are you trying to do with them? |
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| 15:44.07 | smokeysea | petn-randall: I want to shared that deb to other installations |
| 15:44.22 | cruncher | smokeysea, for future reference, man apt-get, then in the FILES section you can see the files&paths it uses |
| 15:44.22 | greycat | Yeah, you can do that. NFS mount it on a network. |
| 15:44.25 | smokeysea | petn-randall: basically latex related; they are around 700 MB of it |
| 15:44.52 | smokeysea | greycat: I actually performed dd on entire lvm ;) |
| 15:45.18 | smokeysea | so the root partition of 50 gb was copied as it is |
| 15:45.27 | smokeysea | i mean / |
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| 15:45.35 | greycat | Don't even want to know. |
| 15:45.49 | smokeysea | greycat: thanks for the path |
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| 15:48.35 | nardul | greycat: Why shouldn't I install packages from testing? I still don't understand why apt-get isn't listening to the -t command. |
| 15:49.07 | greycat | Because if the testing package depends on libc6, then you end up bringing in testing's libc6, and then you are on testing, not stable any more. |
| 15:49.24 | jhutchins | nardul: THere's a way to use a policy command to figure out why something's not upgraded, I've never absorbed the syntax. greycat ? |
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| 15:50.36 | nardul | greycat: Gotcha on the testing part then, of course you are right :) |
| 15:50.38 | greycat | nardul: did you follow the instructions for adding a package from jessie-backports? Including apt-get update after editing the sources.list? Also what does "does not do anything" ACTUALLY MEAN? It gave no output at all? |
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| 15:52.07 | nardul | greycat: Yes I did, by doing nothing I mean it finds nothing to upgrade. |
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| 15:53.11 | greycat | titan:~$ sudo apt-get --print-uris -t jessie-backports install golang |
| 15:53.18 | greycat | 'http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/golang/golang_1.5.1-4~bpo8+1_all.deb' golang_2%3a1.5.1-4~bpo8+1_all.deb 26428 MD5Sum:c495b6004836bd43c0686a59f62f43a4 |
| 15:53.21 | greycat | and so on |
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| 15:54.33 | nardul | greycat: Mine just keeps 1.3. But hmm, it wants to distupgrade. |
| 15:54.39 | nardul | They show up there. |
| 15:54.55 | greycat | I don't know what you're doing, but if I were you, I would be worried. |
| 15:55.32 | nardul | Pfft, I am not worried. I just want a higher version of golang for my development. |
| 15:55.59 | jhutchins | Perhaps there is an issue with golang_1 vs golang_2 |
| 15:56.03 | greycat | I suspect you have done something Very Wrong, if dist-upgrade is pulling in either stretch or jessie-backports packages. |
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| 15:57.04 | jhutchins | Could we be talking about a dist-upgrade from 8.4 - 8.5? |
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| 15:58.11 | nardul | greycat: I know I have, I messed with apt_preferences, that might have been it. And yes, the dist-upgrade was what jhutchins meant, I removed my alterations. |
| 15:59.25 | nardul | However, I am still a the state where I enabled jessie-backports, but 'apt-get --print-uris -t jessie-backports install golang' does nothing. |
| 15:59.31 | jhutchins | WHere does debian set whether the HW clock is UTC or Local? |
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| 15:59.46 | greycat | It can't do *nothing*. It has to give some output. |
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| 16:02.34 | nardul | greycat: Well, yes, it says golang is the newest version. |
| 16:04.30 | nardul | Ah. But if i write 'apt-get install golang/jessie-backports', it wants to upgrade g++. Hmm. |
| 16:05.00 | greycat | All I know is you've got some broken shit. |
| 16:05.35 | nardul | greycat: I don't see how I would get "broken shit" however. |
| 16:05.56 | jhutchins | nardul: paste /etc/apt/sources.list and anyting from sources.list.d |
| 16:06.00 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 16:06.01 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:06.01 | greycat | Usually it occurs as a result of modifying sources.list and running apt-get update and the installing something and then modifying it again, and so on. |
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| 16:08.46 | nardul | Sure, 2 secs. |
| 16:09.15 | colo-work | linux-image-amd64 from backports refuses to dist-upgrade here; apt-get tells me the reason are "held broken packages". I don't have any pkgs on hold at all on this system. problem is that a new dependency (from bpo) is required to satisfy that package's min-version reqs for linux-base |
| 16:09.27 | colo-work | why does apt-get come up with the "held packages" reason? is that a bug? |
| 16:09.34 | nardul | jhutchins: http://pastie.org/10885436 |
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| 16:19.53 | jhutchins | nardul: Yep, that's a mess. |
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| 16:21.15 | jhutchins | nardul: You have both stable (jessie) and unstable(sid). If you've installed packages from sid, your system is essentially broken, and the only thing we can guarantee will work is a fresh install. |
| 16:21.26 | jhutchins | !partial downgrade |
| 16:21.26 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
| 16:22.05 | jhutchins | nardul: 1) Use release names, not descriptions. Change "stable" to "jessie". |
| 16:22.13 | jhutchins | nardul: 2) Eliminate line 8. |
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| 16:23.31 | jhutchins | nardul: Line 12 is commented out, but if you have done ANY upgrades or installs with it enabled, your system is a mess of mixed-release packages. |
| 16:23.54 | jhutchins | nardul: WHich it already is because of the "unstable" repo on 8. |
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| 16:28.56 | nardul | jhutchins: Hmm. I haven't installed anything from testing. You're saying release names is better? Makes sense I guess. Hmm. I have some exim that needed a newer version (because the debian version was bugged). I probably took that from unstable, likely because I couldn't get backports to work. |
| 16:29.13 | nardul | Meh, I'll reinstall at some point, thanks a bunch for your help! |
| 16:31.31 | nardul | Wait, no. Maybe I'm reading aptitude wrongly. Meh. (I don't have exim installed) |
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| 16:44.56 | H4ndy | is switching to testing really as easy as editing my sources.list and running apt full-upgrade? |
| 16:45.12 | H4ndy | or apt-get dist-upgrade respectively |
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| 16:48.25 | markybob | H4ndy: yes. you'll want to go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for support. not here. |
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| 16:48.40 | sm00th | are there any music players designed for kde that have an equalizer? |
| 16:48.56 | sm00th | anything besies amarok |
| 16:49.33 | H4ndy | vlc? |
| 16:50.12 | sm00th | hmm |
| 16:50.21 | H4ndy | meh, another network to linger on, thanks anyway, markybob |
| 16:50.22 | sm00th | can that handls massive libraries? i'll check it out |
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| 16:50.39 | H4ndy | well it's not exactly a media library |
| 16:51.12 | sm00th | I'm thinking of installing banshee but man thats alot of packages needed |
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| 16:52.36 | sm00th | oh wait! I think clementine has an eq |
| 16:52.55 | Amun_Ra | yes it dows |
| 16:52.57 | Amun_Ra | does* |
| 16:53.04 | sm00th | cool I'll use that |
| 16:53.25 | Amun_Ra | I just launched it to check that out |
| 16:53.27 | Amun_Ra | :> |
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| 17:19.56 | GlockX | hi guys, i wanna install Debian on a chromebook, can I delete ALL of the partitions on /dev/mmcblk0 ? I dont want to dual boot.. just wannt know the consequences of deleting a chromeos-firmware partition |
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| 17:21.25 | FinalX | dunno much about chromebooks, but things like playstations and other devices hold that partition to actually boot anything at all. chromebook might be fine, but dunno |
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| 17:23.45 | sm00th | GlockX, https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/ARMChromebook |
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| 17:23.57 | sm00th | looks like you use an sd card or usb to boot it. |
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| 17:24.30 | GlockX | thanx |
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| 17:29.27 | micw_ | hi |
| 17:29.39 | micw_ | what can i do to workaround this kernel bug? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=823907 |
| 17:29.40 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/823907 in src:linux (forwarded, patch, upstream): «linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64: kernel panic when trying to mount a cephfs ressource»; severity: important; opened: 2016-05-10; last modified: 2016-05-10. |
| 17:30.08 | micw_ | should i witch to 4.x backport kernel? |
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| 17:32.25 | sm00th | micw_, try it, why not. |
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| 17:33.00 | micw_ | sm00th, works. hopefully without side effects ;) |
| 17:33.16 | sm00th | nice |
| 17:33.30 | micw_ | seems that neither firmware-realtek or nonfree brings the firmware fpor this kernel |
| 17:34.32 | babilen | judd: v firmware-realtek |
| 17:34.33 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1 |
| 17:34.39 | babilen | (it's also in jessie-backports) |
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| 17:45.03 | DeaDSouL | hi, does anyone know how to delete some steam game settings & configs? i just want to delete all custom configs and settings for "tomb raider" but i don't know which folder or file that I should delete... could anyone help me? |
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| 17:50.15 | SerajewelKS | is there some issue with iftop that it won't properly engage promiscuous mode for ipv6 tunnel interfaces? |
| 17:50.41 | SerajewelKS | iftop on my edge ipv4 interface shows traffic belonging to the tunnel, but iftop on the ipv6 tunnel interface only shows traffic destined for the router machine itself. |
| 17:50.59 | SerajewelKS | tcpdump on the tunnel interface confirms there is a crapton of traffic not destined for the router that iftop doesn't show. |
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| 17:57.15 | t4b | I've need to reroute/change/whatever midi messages. Say my controller produces CC#2 messages but I need CC#7 messages. I don't know what this is called and that's likely why I can't find any information on how to do it. Can LMMS do it? Or some JACK utility? |
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| 17:58.19 | t4b | Is this what "patchbay" in qjackctl does? (can't figure out how to use that one either, but if I knew it's what I need then I could try harder) |
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| 18:00.02 | t4b | In case it's not clear: usb midi controller sends signals. I need to change those signals before they arrive at the virtual instrument in the daw. |
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| 18:04.45 | SerajewelKS | also, i don't suppose there is a tool that can monitor bandwidth in/out of an interface while also showing which tc class(es) they passed through? |
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| 18:05.10 | SerajewelKS | would be nice to verify that my tc filters are working correctly, as well as identify traffic that could use new filters |
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| 18:15.50 | pasties | In the /etc/network/interfaces file is there a way to explicitly state which interface to use as the default gateway? Odd situation where multiple indepedent networks are using DHCP and they're fighting each other for control of the gateway |
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| 18:16.38 | Serialbox | pasties: yes, but you will also need to adjust your dhcp client configuration too |
| 18:16.41 | SerajewelKS | pasties: in your dhclient.conf you can remove the option to accept routes |
| 18:16.50 | Serialbox | What SerajewelKS said :) |
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| 18:16.57 | SerajewelKS | pasties: then manually add the default route in an "up" line in interfaces |
| 18:17.35 | SerajewelKS | pasties: if you are using dhclient, edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and remove "routers" from the "request" list |
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| 18:18.28 | SerajewelKS | pasties: then in /etc/network/interfaces, add this line to the interface you want traffic to leave on: up ip route add default via $GATEWAY dev $IFACE |
| 18:18.36 | SerajewelKS | substituting $GATEWAY and $IFACE appropriately |
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| 18:19.36 | pasties | SerajewelKS: awesome thanks you |
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| 18:19.46 | SerajewelKS | pasties: hmm apparently you can specify options per interface |
| 18:20.13 | pasties | SerajewelKS: that would be even more convenient, I went looking for exactly that but wasn't able to find any documentation on it |
| 18:20.20 | SerajewelKS | pasties: so you may not need the "up" line, just remove "routers" as before, then add to your dhclient.conf: interface "$IFACE" { request ...; } |
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| 18:20.44 | SerajewelKS | pasties: and fill in $IFACE and "..." (by copying the other list and putting "routers" back in) |
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| 18:20.54 | pasties | SerajewelKS: oh per interface in the dhclient config? I didn't even think about checking that |
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| 18:26.04 | SerajewelKS | i feel like there has to be some tool to show which tc classes a particular connection is using -- how else do network administrators verify that their tc filters are working correctly? |
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| 19:00.17 | sm00th | Amun_Ra, i ended up going with banshee after all, cause I coudln't get rhythmbox to shuffle properly lol |
| 19:00.49 | sm00th | *clementine |
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| 19:20.59 | goethe | Does anyone know how to start a wm with arguments? I |
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| 19:21.17 | goethe | 've been looking around the startx scripts and cant seem to figure it out |
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| 19:21.41 | greycat | Your WM actually takes some? That's weird. But ok, fine, just put them on the command line after the WM's name. |
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| 19:23.48 | Amun_Ra | sm00th: I don't have a problem with that :> |
| 19:24.18 | Amun_Ra | sm00th: I mean what does not work? |
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| 19:31.47 | sm00th | Amun_Ra, i tried to shuffle all the songs, but it keeps playing songs fromt he same album. not sure why. I have banshee installed, works great. Neded like 5 times more packages, but so be it... |
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| 19:32.51 | sm00th | Amun_Ra, i have like 10,000 songs too. so if i just want to shuffle them all I don't want to have to add them to a playlist first. |
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| 19:33.18 | sm00th | but ya I dunno why even after shuffling the playlist, and putting the playmode on shuffle. it still was not shuffling. |
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| 19:33.36 | sm00th | kept playign the same album, maybe something about how it was encoded i've seen that behavior before in players. |
| 19:33.37 | Amun_Ra | sm00th: have you opened Smart playlists â All tracks one? |
| 19:33.38 | sm00th | its weird. |
| 19:33.52 | sm00th | Amun_Ra, no i'm on banshee now. much easier to manage. |
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| 19:34.20 | enoch | hi all |
| 19:34.24 | Amun_Ra | sm00th: ok, clementine has its own playlist management philosophy, you have to get used to it ;> |
| 19:34.25 | enoch | best free server monitoring tool? |
| 19:34.38 | sm00th | Amun_Ra, even importing folders in banshee was easier, you can highlight multiple folders at once. |
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| 19:35.05 | sm00th | I was trying to go with w/e used less packages but now I just want whats easier to use lol |
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| 19:35.16 | Amun_Ra | enoch: sth like munin? |
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| 19:35.25 | sm00th | Amun_Ra, at least they got rid of amarok in kde. that was even worse... |
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| 19:35.32 | sm00th | Amun_Ra, when it didn't crash. |
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| 19:35.41 | SerajewelKS | i used to use amarok back in the day |
| 19:35.43 | Amun_Ra | sm00th: rhythmbox is "special" too |
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| 19:36.10 | enoch | Amun_Ra: not only network monitoring |
| 19:36.13 | sm00th | Amun_Ra, that might be the other player I've seen the issue on. where the way a certain album was labeled or encoded. Gave it preference over any other track in the library or playlist. |
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| 19:36.30 | sm00th | so even when i would put it on shuffle, it would always play the same album first no matter what. so weird. |
| 19:36.49 | capum321 | hello! I am trying to compile mono-addins package as dependency to build a monodevelop 6.0 which doesn't exist in repositories. get this error http://dpaste.com/2PBR989 - - - the package is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono-addins/1.0+git20130406.adcd75b-3 - - - mono-addins_1.0+git20130406.adcd75b-3.debian.tar.gz |
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| 19:37.08 | SerajewelKS | i am partial to banshee. but that may be because i wrote a small piece of it, so maybe i'm biased. |
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| 19:37.19 | sm00th | SerajewelKS, lol cool, banshee does everything right. |
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| 19:37.34 | SerajewelKS | sm00th: do you use the visualization plugins? |
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| 19:38.02 | SerajewelKS | i'm curious how many still work well. i wrote most of those + the visualization plugin subsystem in banshee. |
| 19:38.03 | sm00th | SerajewelKS, dont' think so |
| 19:38.07 | markybob | capum321: you're really asking how to build an ubuntu package in #debian? why? |
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| 19:38.28 | sm00th | SerajewelKS, is that an extension? |
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| 19:38.52 | SerajewelKS | sm00th: the vis plugins are, yes. i wrote most of the plugins as well as the half in banshee that exposes the audio data to those plugins. |
| 19:38.55 | capum321 | i can't find a place with people who can deal with this so i am in a killing spree |
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| 19:39.17 | markybob | capum321: we don't support it here. you'll have to try #ubuntu |
| 19:39.21 | SerajewelKS | capum321: if you are using ubuntu then the proper place is #ubuntu |
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| 19:39.28 | enoch | mhhh |
| 19:39.31 | enoch | munin vs nagios? |
| 19:39.33 | SerajewelKS | !debian-based |
| 19:39.33 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 19:39.59 | agamemnon23 | does anyone know why some debian package versions are marked as vulnerable to a particular CVE, even though the package version is greater than the minimum version affected by the vulnerability? e.g. CVE-2015-3253 lists Apache Groovy 1.7.0 through 2.4.3 as vulnerable, but debian also lists their 2.4.6 and 2.4.7 versions as vulnerable... |
| 19:40.05 | agamemnon23 | as seen in https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-3253 |
| 19:40.35 | agamemnon23 | I've noticed this with other CVE's too |
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| 19:41.23 | capum321 | SerajewelKS markybob why don't you support? it's a debian package? |
| 19:41.38 | markybob | capum321: it's not. it's an ubuntu package |
| 19:41.47 | babilen | agamemnon23: Those lists are manually maintained, so it might simply be an error, but it is hard to say without investigation in detail. |
| 19:41.47 | SerajewelKS | capum321: the debian package format was invented by debian, yes. but many distros use this format. |
| 19:42.10 | sm00th | agamemnon23, maybe at the time it went public that was the latest pakcage, event hough new versions have come out that vuln still hasn't been fixed? not sure. |
| 19:42.18 | SerajewelKS | capum321: you need to distinguish between "Debian Linux" and ".deb files" |
| 19:42.21 | markybob | capum321: and the bot told you why. "based on" |
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| 19:42.30 | greycat | We explicitly do NOT support (nor recommend) installing packages from other distributions. |
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| 19:42.42 | capum321 | so I try my chance at ubuntu. |
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| 19:42.51 | babilen | capum321: This channel only supports Debian and Debian users due to technical and social reasons. It would be much appreciate if you would be so kind to seek support in your distribution's channel or ##linux |
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| 19:42.53 | markybob | yes. that's what you're using |
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| 19:42.56 | SerajewelKS | capum321: are you using ubuntu or are you using debian? |
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| 19:43.46 | SerajewelKS | capum321: (hint: the answer isn't actually relevant. if you are using ubuntu, then you need to ask in #ubuntu. if you are using debian, you SHOULD NOT install ubuntu's packages on a debian system.) |
| 19:43.47 | Bray90820 | Hey I have someone here on debian 7 and he is getting an error |
| 19:43.48 | Bray90820 | start: not found |
| 19:44.03 | SerajewelKS | Bray90820: in what context? |
| 19:44.09 | agamemnon23 | babilen, sm00th: thanks for the comments... I've seen this quite a few times, so I think there may be more to it. I'll try giving the security team a shout to see if they can clarify. |
| 19:44.12 | Bray90820 | SerajewelKS: http://pastie.org/10885601 |
| 19:44.47 | SerajewelKS | Bray90820: plex isn't part of debian, ask the plex folks why their package doesn't install |
| 19:44.55 | sm00th | how do I install 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u2 in jessie? |
| 19:45.08 | sm00th | currently I have 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 19:45.17 | Bray90820 | SerajewelKS: Thanks anyways |
| 19:45.21 | greycat | sm00th: you are confusing the package name with the package version. |
| 19:45.22 | SerajewelKS | Bray90820: np |
| 19:45.41 | greycat | sm00th: check "uname -a" to see the exact kernel *version* (mine is 3.16.7-ckt25-2) |
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| 19:46.11 | sm00th | greycat, tks that was it |
| 19:46.50 | capum321 | SerajewelKS: i see. I am using Mint actually. The users from #linuxmint-help weren't much of help. Already got a warn from the op saying it is off-topic. |
| 19:46.53 | SerajewelKS | sm00th: dpkg -l will also tell you the version of the package. on my system: ii linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 3.16.7-ckt25-2 |
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| 19:47.04 | SerajewelKS | sm00th: linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 is the package name, 3.16.7-ckt25-2 is the version |
| 19:47.19 | SerajewelKS | capum321: they are wise then |
| 19:47.25 | sm00th | SerajewelKS, tks |
| 19:47.40 | SerajewelKS | capum321: installing an ubuntu package anywhere but on ubuntu is likely to be unsupported |
| 19:47.45 | greycat | You probably have to do tricks to make dpkg not truncate the package name and version. |
| 19:47.51 | greycat | ii linux-image-3. 3.16.7-ckt25 amd64 Linux 3.16 for 64-bit PCs |
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| 19:48.14 | greycat | Piping dpkg's output through cat is one such trick. |
| 19:48.28 | SerajewelKS | greycat: my favorite is "having a wide monitor" :) |
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| 19:48.49 | greycat | Monitor size is irrelevant. A wide monitor means I have more terminals, not one big-ass terminal. |
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| 19:49.24 | capum321 | SerajewelKS: you can't say that to a mint os ?! |
| 19:49.36 | SerajewelKS | capum321: what? |
| 19:50.17 | capum321 | SerajewelKS: ubuntu packages are compatible? to mint os |
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| 19:50.36 | SerajewelKS | capum321: they are except when they aren't |
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| 19:52.16 | capum321 | SerajewelKS: that's not fine... anyway i will heads up to #ubuntu |
| 19:52.28 | SerajewelKS | capum321: i wouldn't go there |
| 19:52.37 | capum321 | SerajewelKS: why? |
| 19:52.47 | SerajewelKS | capum321: you are running mint. if the mint guys can't/don't help you then what you're asking to do isn't supported. |
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| 19:52.56 | SerajewelKS | people are not going to help you do something unsupported |
| 19:53.17 | capum321 | SerajewelKS: of course it is, it's is a trusty package. |
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| 19:53.46 | SerajewelKS | regardless of whether it's supported, though, it's off-topic here |
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| 19:54.38 | greycat | So you're installing an ubuntu package on Mint, and then asking for help in #debian? |
| 19:54.59 | capum321 | greycat: you got here late |
| 19:55.11 | f31n | hi, i just found out that i have a zombie process sh on my system - so my whole shell is a zomie or did i get here something wrong? |
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| 19:55.18 | greycat | So that's a "yes"? |
| 19:55.32 | greycat | !zombie |
| 19:55.32 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 19:55.53 | greycat | Find out who the zombie's parent is. |
| 19:55.57 | capum321 | greycat doesn't matter, can you help me out? |
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| 19:56.04 | greycat | Obviously not. |
| 19:56.16 | f31n | greycat: how can i do that? |
| 19:56.18 | greycat | We don't use mint and we don't use ubuntu packages, *let alone* that combination together. |
| 19:56.23 | capum321 | greycat: who is the noob then? haha |
| 19:56.47 | TomTomTosch | please stop this and move on. |
| 19:56.51 | mark__ | !pfs |
| 19:56.56 | mark__ | !psf |
| 19:57.01 | greycat | f31n: either use the "f" option of ps to get a tree-style view, or use the "-f" option to get the PPID field (Parent Process ID) and then you can look up the PPID. |
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| 19:57.39 | SerajewelKS | greycat: i didn't know about the f option, i always used pstree... neat |
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| 19:58.13 | greycat | tries to figure out why the people who did a scan on my Debian box thing I am susceptible to https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2009-2410 when I am not running sssd, do not have it installed, have never even HEARD of sssd before now. |
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| 19:58.33 | f31n | lovely greycat psad causes the zombie ... thanks a lot |
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| 20:03.52 | hobbily | o/ |
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| 20:12.21 | greycat | Anyone have any guesses why Nexpose thinks I've got "SSSD Local Handler Callback Unauthorized Login Vulnerability" just because I am "Running SSH service" and "Vulnerable OS: Linux 2.6.32" (wrong kernel version), even though I am not running sssd? |
| 20:13.31 | jelly | read the code for this "Nexpose" and see what it actually tests for? |
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| 20:14.10 | jelly | (iotw no guesses) |
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| 20:14.46 | SpeedyG | greycat: false positive? |
| 20:14.54 | greycat | I'm guessing they couldn't identify what distribution I am running ("It's not Fedora *or* CentOS!") so they just assume something random. |
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| 20:15.32 | disi | Awhile back, i added the testing source to my apt sources.list (for the latest version of git). i have since removed it, but now apt-get keeps giving me "Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." whenever i try to install something... how do i fix this? |
| 20:15.47 | greycat | It looks like... some kind of commercial product? Found their web page, maybe. It says "Free Trial" on it. |
| 20:15.55 | jelly | disi: short answer is "reinstall stable" |
| 20:16.28 | markybob | disi: he's right. you can't mix shit like that. |
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| 20:16.57 | markybob | !tell disi about dontbreakdebian |
| 20:17.01 | jelly | alternatively, fully upgrade to stretch |
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| 20:17.25 | disi | markybob: what is the point of the testing source? someone uses it presumably... what's the correct way? |
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| 20:17.42 | markybob | disi: you have a full testing system. you don't mix. |
| 20:17.49 | greycat | The "correct way" to use a specific post-jessie package on jessie is to install a backport. |
| 20:18.02 | greycat | ,v git |
| 20:18.03 | judd | Package: git on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy3; wheezy-security: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u2; stretch: 1:2.8.1-1; sid: 1:2.8.1-1; experimental: 1:2.8.1+next.20160414-1 |
| 20:18.06 | jelly | judd: checkbackport git |
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| 20:18.12 | judd | Backporting package git in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual. |
| 20:18.24 | greycat | And when there's no backport readily available, to make one yourself. |
| 20:18.26 | jelly | it... may be possible to make one. |
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| 20:19.36 | disi | bummer... that was probably the easiest shot in my foot that ive ever taken :p |
| 20:19.45 | disi | thanks, though! Ill stop googling |
| 20:20.11 | greycat | To make a backport yourself, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 20:23.00 | unborn | greycat: heh are you using that Nexpose nonsense? |
| 20:23.10 | greycat | No, someone in my organization is using it. |
| 20:23.29 | greycat | And I'm expected to log in to this web site they set up, and understand its reporting. |
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| 20:24.17 | sm00th | unborn, what is a good vulnerability scanner for linux? |
| 20:24.38 | unborn | greycat: 'nice' |
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| 20:24.59 | unborn | sm00th: people |
| 20:25.09 | sm00th | unborn, huh? |
| 20:25.12 | greycat | unborn: and I'm also expected to "attend" a Skype For Business meeting to discuss it. |
| 20:26.23 | sm00th | unborn, what secret programs do those "people" use? |
| 20:26.41 | unborn | greycat: yeah ist remind me when business is expecting me to secure their data on windows 10 |
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| 20:27.23 | unborn | sm00th: no. the actual people who are lets say smart as they write scripts and you can then run them |
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| 20:27.58 | unborn | sm00th: i guess you can use google or some other se for those programs.. |
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| 20:28.23 | unborn | sm00th: or read bug reports for each os and then write your own scanner |
| 20:28.27 | sm00th | unborn, everything I find is deprecated and abandoned |
| 20:28.53 | sm00th | unborn, i guess you have to be part of the cool crowd. |
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| 20:29.19 | sm00th | or use some enterprise software |
| 20:29.19 | unborn | sm00th: i give you hint here.. use kali |
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| 20:31.38 | sm00th | unborn, lol |
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| 20:31.44 | sm00th | hmm nethogs doesn't work |
| 20:31.51 | sm00th | creating socket failed while establishing local IP - are you root? |
| 20:31.57 | sm00th | debian 8.5 |
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| 20:32.36 | unborn | greycat: to be honest while it looks nice I think its going to be horrible |
| 20:33.06 | sm00th | its 0.8.0 but it dont' work. think we need 0.8.5 |
| 20:33.10 | sm00th | i mean at leats 0.8.1 |
| 20:33.49 | sm00th | unborn, what program do I use on kali? |
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| 20:35.13 | markybob | ask #kali |
| 20:35.16 | sm00th | OpenVAS? |
| 20:35.40 | greycat | I'd actually like to hear why unborn recommended kali, specifically. |
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| 20:35.57 | greycat | This is not a field in which I'm experienced. |
| 20:35.59 | sm00th | with metasploit I guess you can just scan for the latest bugs. |
| 20:36.25 | sm00th | but if you aint one of the cool kids your metasploit probably don't have them lol |
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| 20:36.55 | markybob | the cool kids. yeah. that's how i choose my os |
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| 20:37.15 | sm00th | markybob, doesn't matter what os you use. |
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| 20:37.52 | markybob | it does if you're telling someone to use kali in #debian |
| 20:38.04 | sm00th | markybob, I didn't say that |
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| 20:38.10 | unborn | sm00th: you know we all was saying "The quieter you become, the more you are able to listen".. I think this is wrong place for you but you will get it with age and know-how.. |
| 20:38.13 | greycat | Well, www.kali.org is a crap web site. Someone decided "Let's make it for mobile devices and remove all the content" apparently. |
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| 20:38.32 | sm00th | greycat, crap os for a desktop too imo. |
| 20:38.49 | unborn | greycat: its easy for kiddies ;) |
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| 20:39.18 | sm00th | latest version of openvas I see on their website is april 2015 |
| 20:39.19 | jelly | eh, www.debian.org has been horrible since forever |
| 20:39.39 | greycat | looks at www.debian.org, finds many links I can click on. |
| 20:39.39 | unborn | greycat: I can see content.. but you not using js :) |
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| 20:40.02 | edoardo | debian.org is not that horrible |
| 20:40.03 | markybob | really? i like the minamilist ideals of debian.org |
| 20:40.09 | greycat | looks at www.kali.org, sees GGGIIIIIIAAAANNNNNNTTTT WOOORRRDDDDDSSSS and vast seas of whitespace |
| 20:40.11 | sm00th | I really don't think the only option is enterprise, or become one of the cool crowd. |
| 20:40.18 | sm00th | *really think |
| 20:40.43 | edoardo | Our Most Advanced Penetration Testing Distribution, Ever. |
| 20:40.50 | edoardo | EVER® |
| 20:41.01 | greycat | I only see 3 clickable things on the kali page. One shockwave flash, one "privacy policy" link, and one "trademark policy" link. That's literally it. |
| 20:41.05 | markybob | "our" |
| 20:41.07 | sm00th | kali aint gonna do much for you unless you have the latest exploit scripts unbornn talks about |
| 20:41.41 | edoardo | Why Did They Capitalize Every Word That's Annoying, Ever. |
| 20:41.52 | sm00th | or pen test somebody that never patches anything. |
| 20:42.00 | unborn | jelly: I like debians site, whats wrong with it? |
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| 20:42.11 | jelly | try using it. |
| 20:42.31 | jelly | eg: find the release notes in less than 10 clicks. |
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| 20:42.52 | sm00th | oh ya on kali i have to allow scripts right off the bat I don't like it. |
| 20:42.57 | greycat | jelly: well, to be fair I just got to the netinst page in 2 easy clicks. |
| 20:43.02 | sm00th | i like debian.org better. |
| 20:43.07 | markybob | it's in the topic :P |
| 20:43.22 | edoardo | getfedora.org: 55 requests, 382.7kb - debian.org: 12 requests, 50kb - kali.org: 69 requests, 3509kb |
| 20:43.38 | unborn | yeah jelly I know.. there was few attempts to change that but never had reply from anyone there.. so I guess it will stay on that wiki platform possibly forever :D |
| 20:43.39 | jelly | greycat: um... netinst is one click download (finally) |
| 20:43.45 | markybob | so it's the "cool kids" argument again |
| 20:43.50 | greycat | jelly: release notes are one click from the main page. |
| 20:43.57 | edoardo | light is good. |
| 20:44.03 | greycat | one more click to choose amd64 |
| 20:44.23 | greycat | I don't see whatever issues you're describing. |
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| 20:44.38 | sm00th | oh look at that security advisories right on the main page. love that. |
| 20:45.36 | markybob | what's wrong with that? seems pretty important |
| 20:45.44 | sm00th | markybob, i wasn't being sarcastic |
| 20:46.05 | edoardo | jelly: Homepage -> Release Info -> jessie -> Release Notes |
| 20:46.06 | sm00th | I think thats great, don't think any other distro thinks its as important. |
| 20:46.38 | greycat | edoardo: main page, section "getting started", click on the underlined link that says "the release notes" |
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| 20:47.01 | sm00th | markybob, i use debian man. |
| 20:47.03 | greycat | Easily found by me when I searched for the string 'upgrad' |
| 20:47.09 | sm00th | markybob, 8.5 |
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| 20:49.49 | greycat | OK, one thing I do not like about www.debian.org is there's a bunch of whitespace to the right of the link that is still considered part of the link. |
| 20:50.14 | greycat | In the columns-grid of links after the second paragraph of text. |
| 20:50.33 | greycat | Whitespace should never be dangerous to click. |
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| 20:51.06 | hobbily | hello, i have a fresh install of debian mini amd64 on an intel nuc, im trying to get a usb modem to work with for 3g or LTE connection, ive done some trouble shooting and it appears that the modem is stuck in storage mode and there is no USB serial device availible for pppd to interface with... ive loaded usbserial into my kernel with specific product and vendor flags, but still no dice... what am i doing |
| 20:51.13 | hobbily | wrong ? |
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| 20:54.31 | unborn | greycat: the problem is there is noone to be contacted for dev of new website layout and even it there is an email its for reporting of bugs on current site.. anything else mentioned on that email will gets ignored. thats only downside of the whole concept of contact us page there.. |
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| 20:56.15 | greycat | You mean the debian web site? I believe there's a pseudo-package you can report a bug against for that. Unless I am hallucinating that. |
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| 20:56.50 | greycat | If you mean the kali web site, well, I have no answer for that. |
| 20:56.51 | unborn | then there is not really any point to change anything on debian website.. because if they do not use js then if should stay as it is. |
| 20:57.01 | unborn | im talking about debian website |
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| 21:03.12 | moveax | hey |
| 21:05.03 | jelly | hobbily: install usb-modeswitch |
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| 21:13.10 | enoch85 | Please help us test the Nextcloud VM so that we can make the best possible release once 10 is out, or sooner. https://www.techandme.se/nextcloud-vm/ |
| 21:13.14 | enoch85 | Sorry for OT btw |
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| 21:14.40 | jelly | enoch85: don't say you're sorry, if you were sorry you would not spamvertise |
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| 21:18.57 | enoch85 | jelly: just thought everuone should know, Nextcloud is the new ownCloud if you ask me |
| 21:19.16 | enoch85 | jelly: but yeah you're right |
| 21:19.54 | jelly | enoch85: noone's asking, and this isn't the first time you advertised own project in here and got warned |
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| 21:22.56 | aZz7eCh | so my little server box is running jessie lite. I have it installed to a 4gb usb stick and in my box I have two 3TB drives running as raid1 (mirror). All is working well for .... 6 months + now ... However ... I'm a little concerned that I have not worked out how to make the two hdd's power down when idle. They run 24/7 as long as the server hasn't "gone to sleep" .. they dont idle down at all between use. Any suggestions on best way to handl |
| 21:22.56 | aZz7eCh | e this? |
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| 21:24.58 | cdb23ax | hello can someone tell me how to install debian on a thinclient ud3lx with only a compact flash card? |
| 21:25.12 | cdb23ax | if i install from cd it cant find the cf card |
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| 21:27.13 | awwal | "hardware acceleration" feature in chromium/firefox is "utile" for basically multimedia web content or soemething else? |
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| 21:28.17 | cruncher | awwal, even for scrolling |
| 21:28.55 | TomTomTosch | canvas, webgl, video decode and so on. |
| 21:29.19 | awwal | cruncher, oh, ok. so that feature is there for almost all firefox/chromium rendering/tasks? |
| 21:29.32 | cruncher | yes |
| 21:29.40 | petn-randall | cdb23ax: Is the CF card otherwise readable by the system? |
| 21:29.51 | cruncher | although, at least in the past, firefox had an issue where it was faster when disabled |
| 21:30.07 | awwal | I thought it was just for adobe flash or multimedia stuff. ok (Y) |
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| 21:30.56 | cdb23ax | petn-randall: i cant tell you that its a new 8gb cf card and it should be readable but since the bios wont show me i cant tell you |
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| 21:31.52 | awwal | chromium in jessie VM blinks at startup and starts with a black screen for a few second, disabling hardware acceleration problem solved |
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| 21:32.13 | cdb23ax | its a IGEL LX 3 device and it theres only one cf card in i just replaced it by a new one |
| 21:32.17 | awwal | only happens in the VM (jessie amd64), not in real hardware |
| 21:33.07 | awwal | in real hardware (i386 & amd64) no problem accitating that feature |
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| 21:33.33 | cruncher | awwal, probably due to the driver... do you have the guest additions installed? |
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| 21:35.37 | petn-randall | cdb23ax: If the BIOS doesn't show the device you probably have a hardware problem. |
| 21:36.01 | cdb23ax | petn-randall: the bios also wont show the working cf card |
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| 21:36.20 | petn-randall | cdb23ax: CF is fairly old tech (it's electrically the same to IDE, just a different connector), so I'd be surprised if the controller behind it isn't supporte by Debian. |
| 21:36.51 | petn-randall | cdb23ax: You can always try bootstrapping the CF card if you have a 2nd Debian machine. |
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| 21:38.14 | cdb23ax | petn-randall: if the controller is not recognized do you think that it would help to bootstrap? |
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| 21:48.18 | petn-randall | ... and gone they are. :/ |
| 21:48.29 | awwal | cruncher, yes, guests additions installed |
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| 21:49.04 | awwal | installed in the guest, not in the host |
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| 21:50.07 | Guest19834 | i installed ubuntu 16.04 lts server on an old laptop. i've now logged in, and want to connect to the inet. i'm not using an ethernet cable. with ifconfig -a i get emp2s0 (Link encap:Ethernet), lo (Link encap:Local Loopback) and wlp3s0 (Link encap: Ethernet). am i right in that none of these are wifi? |
| 21:50.28 | Guest19834 | sorry, wrong channel. |
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| 21:51.43 | awwal | virtualbox-guest-additions-iso recommends virtualbox. installing guest additions in the guest without virtualbox , guest aren't detected. installing virtualbox yes they are detected. so one ends having virtualbox inside virtualbox VM :D |
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| 21:53.08 | icarious | Hi, I am performing a Jessie installing using the Debootstrap under an Archlinux livecd. I noticed a warning "Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg". Is there a way to manually download the keyring from somewhere for it to verify the packages?. I know I can proceed without, just wish to verify the packages |
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| 21:54.03 | awwal | guest additions installed in the guest OS are only mandatory if the host is i386 and the guest amd64 |
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| 22:01.23 | mundus2018 | why would the command node not work if I have nodejs installed |
| 22:02.40 | petn-randall | icarious: You could download the debian-archive-keyring, but you don't have a way of verifying that, either. Most installation image have signatures to verify if you're part of the web of trust, though. |
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| 22:06.13 | adalbertos | spatry |
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| 22:06.38 | Wulf | adalbertos: err.. what? |
| 22:06.59 | adalbertos | hi there |
| 22:07.08 | adalbertos | lol |
| 22:07.27 | adalbertos | better not say the name spatry here haha |
| 22:07.40 | Wulf | https://www.youtube.com/user/LinuxSpatry <-- that guy? |
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| 22:08.31 | adalbertos | is there an etra channel for antix? |
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| 22:15.25 | unborn | :D |
| 22:15.56 | unborn | yeah i saw that guy on utube already.. funny he is isnt he? |
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| 22:19.28 | FuriousGeorge | hey all |
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| 22:23.06 | nsgn | Hello. I've got a folder I need a user to access via ssh and put files into. This works fine except every file has permission only for this one user to work with them. Searching for a solution to this is fairly dizzying and turns up libpam-umask, umask in the .profile file, acls, etc. Is there a straight forward way to do this? |
| 22:23.26 | nsgn | I literally just want a folder several users can put things in and not have issues with rw access to things someone other than them put in there |
| 22:23.41 | Wulf | nsgn: what about a git repo? |
| 22:23.49 | nsgn | (again with the mode of access being ssh - sftp via filezilla more specifically) |
| 22:24.01 | themill | sftp is an important detail |
| 22:24.56 | nsgn | Wulf, well it's a folder served by apache. we need an outside firm to log in and place files into it that users inside the org don't have to constantly chmod to work with later but we don't want to give them sweeping privs on the server obviously |
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| 22:26.00 | nsgn | anytime we put something in that directory they can't modify it. anything they put in we can't modify. someone has to come along with higher privs and chmod the files and it's getting old |
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| 22:27.16 | nsgn | I don't mind if what gets changed applies to everything the user does. The user accounts in question only have access to this system for the sake of this web directory. it's about all they have write permission to anyway. |
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| 22:28.03 | nsgn | My research finds this isn't really done on a per directory basis anyway. changing the umask in ~/.profile nearly seemed like the fix except there's a note already in .profile from the debian team saying if you're here to do this for ssh you should be using libpam-umask |
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| 22:28.48 | themill | I'm surprised .profile is used for sftp at all; sftp-server can be given a umask in sshd_config btw |
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| 22:30.17 | nsgn | themill, but then it applies even to admins you don't want running around writing stuff with broad permissions |
| 22:30.27 | nsgn | themill, i want it to apply only to select SSH users |
| 22:31.12 | Maws | Anyone know why MC have trouble copying large files over SSH? (reporting "disk full" when it's not) |
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| 22:32.33 | themill | nsgn: you could do it through a ForceCommand wrapper, but that's getting icky. |
| 22:32.59 | nsgn | yeah. i was hoping there was a not lame way to allow a few users to work in this folder without fighting over write permissions |
| 22:33.01 | themill | this is probably a case where ACLs is easier |
| 22:33.07 | nsgn | everything they make right now is write for them, read only for others |
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| 22:41.19 | nsgn | exit |
| 22:41.23 | nsgn | smooth |
| 22:41.24 | sweettea | fail |
| 22:41.26 | sweettea | :) |
| 22:41.44 | sm00th | yes? |
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| 22:51.11 | FuriousGeorge | is there any official crash debugging documentation for debian, or some unofficial documentation? |
| 22:51.24 | FuriousGeorge | im not finding much in the way of either, and a lot of the stuff is dated |
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| 22:52.51 | FuriousGeorge | im finding that if i enable iommu, the system reboots within a minute. i don't see a crash dump on the screen or any way to debug the issue |
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| 23:00.16 | icarious | the /jessie-updates in a mirror is same as the default http://security.debian.org/ ? |
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| 23:06.33 | themill | icarious: no, jessie/updates â jessie-updates |
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| 23:07.24 | icarious | themill: found it. it seems not every mirror syncs deb security. thanks though |
| 23:08.00 | themill | mirroring of the security archive is not encouraged |
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| 23:10.50 | icarious | themill: why? |
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| 23:12.52 | themill | because mirrors get out of sync or aren't updated properly and then you'd not see security updates. I know of mirrors of the security archive that people are still hosting but haven't updated them for years. It's not like the bandwidth is large enough to make it necessary for Debian (and Debian already has several mirrors that it controls for security.d.o that are spread around the world) |
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| 23:53.16 | otyugh | why jessie does not contain midori ? |
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| 23:57.41 | FuriousGeorge | it seems it might not be caused by enabling iommu, but doing so will reproduce it. using kernel > 4.4.6 seems to do it as well |
| 23:58.04 | FuriousGeorge | basically the system boots, and within about a minute it locks for a few seconds, and then immediately reboots |
| 23:58.39 | sm00th | FuriousGeorge, does debian even use iommu? |
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| 23:59.43 | Epakai | otyugh: because it wasn't in testing when testing froze and it didn't get unblocked to migrate during the release cycle |