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| 00:25.53 | chaddy | in debian is there a way to find all configuration files for a process? |
| 00:26.28 | chaddy | my issue is as here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=127781 |
| 00:27.29 | chaddy | but the real issue, I think, was trying to get this working while tired, and I'm not sure if I've been able to find and revert all the things I've futzed with in order to start from scratch |
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| 00:29.31 | chaddy | I can use A2DP fine on the headset I'm using but am unable to get pulseaudio to create more than a microphone monitor, which is non functional (except for occasionally monitoring earphone volume), and no actual source |
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| 00:30.47 | pflanze | chaddy, you can use lsof to see open files, strace when starting the process and collect all the paths it opens. Or check which configuration files the package containing the program the process is running contains. |
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| 00:31.07 | chaddy | as a result, (if my understanding is correct I have all the necessary software for A2DP or HSP/HFP installed and function) |
| 00:31.08 | pflanze | dpkg -S /path/to/prog, then dpkg -s package-name |
| 00:31.08 | dpkg | You Fool! /path/to/prog, then dpkg -s package-name is installed! |
| 00:31.29 | chaddy | hehe, bot tastic |
| 00:31.35 | pflanze | (Haven't checked your link) |
| 00:33.00 | chaddy | pflanze: I've googled a great deal around pulse(8.0) and bluez5 in particular, thankyou so much, I got to fried to consider dpkg would tell me all the files I need |
| 00:33.17 | chaddy | too fried* |
| 00:34.01 | chaddy | finally found a chap on the debian forum with a similar issue, and then someone chased him off for using a derivative |
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| 00:35.10 | chaddy | on stretch/sid of Debian, myself, but felt for him as I got similar treatment for asking about Knoppix in here a decade back |
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| 00:39.12 | dvs | chaddy, Actually, you reall should be in #debian-next on OFTC |
| 00:39.23 | dvs | :-P |
| 00:39.55 | chaddy | heh, chances of a bear of little brain such as /me getting invited anywhere are slim, dvs |
| 00:40.00 | chaddy | ah, wait |
| 00:40.04 | chaddy | OFTC? |
| 00:40.05 | cruncher | pflanze, did you change the uuid in fstab? |
| 00:40.14 | chaddy | it's on a different net! |
| 00:40.17 | pflanze | cruncher, no, but it doesn't get to that point |
| 00:40.19 | dvs | yup |
| 00:40.23 | cruncher | also, dont worry about sda5_crypt, that is only the crypt name |
| 00:40.26 | dvs | the official one |
| 00:40.29 | chaddy | many thanks |
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| 00:40.37 | pflanze | cruncher, ah |
| 00:40.38 | cruncher | it doesnt mean it reads sda5 |
| 00:40.46 | chaddy | I shall engage lurk mode in that case |
| 00:40.46 | pflanze | yeah, got it |
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| 00:42.08 | pflanze | But how do I get the first stage of grub onto the disk so that it finds the grub config? |
| 00:42.46 | cruncher | the easiest would be to chroot into it, then grub-install |
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| 00:43.02 | pflanze | Can't chroot without downloading and flashing another debian image, |
| 00:43.13 | pflanze | because the old system uses the same PV id's as the new one, |
| 00:43.16 | cruncher | you have no iso on some cd? |
| 00:43.23 | pflanze | which means I can't mount the new one when booting from the old. Gah. |
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| 00:43.52 | cruncher | boot from some iso and select rescue |
| 00:44.01 | pflanze | Debian rescue is horrible. |
| 00:44.06 | cruncher | i mean, burn iso to cd/usb |
| 00:44.28 | pflanze | Yes, I know, but the debian installer rescue functionality is unusable IMHO. |
| 00:44.29 | cruncher | hmm.. i disagree a little bit.. but tastes are not to argue about :) |
| 00:44.44 | cruncher | whenever i used it, it worked well |
| 00:44.49 | chaddy | same |
| 00:45.06 | chaddy | sh is not so friendly as bash, though, I suppose |
| 00:45.13 | pflanze | Hu. I *always* need some command that it doesn't have, then an alternative that it also doesn't have, etc. |
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| 00:45.30 | chaddy | pflanze: specify the full path |
| 00:45.35 | pflanze | Are we talking about the same thing? Busybox? |
| 00:45.42 | chaddy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.48 | chaddy | no |
| 00:46.06 | pflanze | So, there's debian installer, debian live, *and* debian rescue? |
| 00:46.19 | chaddy | rescue disk allows you to run a shell in your root environment |
| 00:46.27 | cruncher | its just a menu entry |
| 00:46.36 | chaddy | or in the installer environment |
| 00:46.46 | cruncher | where you select "install", expert install", graphical install", etc, there is also a "rescue" |
| 00:46.48 | chaddy | pflanze: you can find it easily on a netiso |
| 00:47.14 | pflanze | cruncher, that's the one I have lost hope for. |
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| 00:47.47 | pflanze | k so let me check whether I still have the debian installer iso |
| 00:47.53 | chaddy | pflanze: choose rescue, choose root environment, run /bin/bash |
| 00:47.54 | cruncher | i think you should try again... you simply select rescue, which partition to use as root, then maybe enter password, and voila |
| 00:48.09 | cruncher | more or less :) |
| 00:48.27 | pflanze | mount --bind and such? Probably mount doesn't support the --bind option or such. |
| 00:49.01 | pflanze | choose root environment? |
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| 00:49.31 | chaddy | it's a menu of available partitions, plus the installer environment |
| 00:50.02 | chaddy | if there is not a root / where you specify it fails gracefully and you can select another partition |
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| 00:50.47 | chaddy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.49 | cruncher | pflanze, for a grub install you shouldnt have to mount anything else than root and boot |
| 00:52.55 | awal1 | Trying to get 'xosview' showing cpu temperatures via xdefaults & xressources but I dont get it (running xfce). Any help ? |
| 00:53.10 | pflanze | cruncher, and /dev, no? |
| 00:53.32 | cruncher | not for grub |
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| 00:56.45 | pflanze | cruncher, also, I'll need the LVM tools etc., since my root is on encrypted root. |
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| 00:57.21 | pflanze | I even seem to remember I was stuck in exactly that situation once+. |
| 00:57.31 | acdc1234 | greetings debian irc I have a weird problem |
| 00:57.51 | pflanze | anyway will give it a try |
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| 00:58.44 | cruncher | pflanze, it will ask you for passphrase automatically |
| 00:58.56 | cruncher | dont worry about lvm |
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| 01:01.51 | pflanze | I'm sincerely hoping that I've been in a self-fulfilling worrying cycle. |
| 01:02.10 | Loeb | Any qemu/kvm experts around? |
| 01:02.16 | Loeb | Trying to sort out my sound |
| 01:02.49 | pflanze | Loeb, am using it on and off. Not extensively. |
| 01:03.08 | cruncher | !ask |
| 01:03.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:03.13 | Loeb | I've got a USB sound card and I've got garbled output. Lots of USB lag |
| 01:03.16 | pflanze | Loeb, Have been trying to run sound for skype, but was too choppy to be usable. |
| 01:03.21 | Loeb | cruncher, don't throw bot paragraphs at me please. |
| 01:03.50 | Loeb | pflanze, you think it's worth getting a PCIe USB card and just running that over vfio? |
| 01:03.56 | Loeb | or would I have the same issue? |
| 01:03.58 | pflanze | No idea |
| 01:04.13 | bazhang | Loeb, you got the pulse config items installed or not |
| 01:04.22 | pflanze | I just gave up running Skype on my laptop completely and using my Android for it now. |
| 01:04.31 | Loeb | no pulseaudio, I don't even think this sound card supports it. |
| 01:04.50 | Loeb | It's a dj/pro audio thing, I never intended to get it working in linux. |
| 01:04.54 | bazhang | what do you mean no pulse |
| 01:05.10 | Loeb | I haven't even tried setting it up in linux. |
| 01:05.22 | bazhang | you actively removed it? |
| 01:05.32 | Loeb | No, but I suppose I could pci-stub it |
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| 01:05.40 | Loeb | ...if I can do that with a USB device. |
| 01:06.08 | bazhang | pavucontrol padevchooser paprefs |
| 01:06.18 | bazhang | install those for a starter |
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| 01:07.15 | Loeb | 'padevchooser'? |
| 01:07.45 | Loeb | no packages for padev* |
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| 01:17.09 | pflanze | cruncher, ok, could get into the system and adapt the fstab and run update-grub2, but after reboot grub still drops me to a prompt (no boot menu) |
| 01:17.20 | pflanze | ah, should probably have run grub-install again, too. Sigh |
| 01:17.31 | pflanze | Guess that one's borked up from my try |
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| 01:24.51 | pflanze | Woah, it boots now (did "grub-install; update-grub2" from the rescue image). |
| 01:26.02 | pflanze | rescue++, cruncher++, chaddy++, thanks! |
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| 01:27.23 | pflanze | I'm still missing a system to do rescue work from outside, though :), the debian live cd seems to be good enough but is chaos with regards to login passwords (had to give up in once instance IIRC). |
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| 01:41.25 | TSMI | I have a missing firmware issue. The manual says to download the package and place it in the root directory of the media device, which I did, but still no luck. Do I have to unpack the .deb? |
| 01:42.08 | dvs | TSMI, are you trying to do an install? |
| 01:43.19 | TSMI | dvs, yes |
| 01:43.27 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 01:43.27 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 01:43.59 | TSMI | dvs, already using it. But doesnt have the firmware package |
| 01:44.20 | TSMI | Ill try and extract the .deb inside firmware on the usb stick |
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| 01:44.54 | dvs | TSMI ??? It has several firmware packages and it automatically uses them during the install |
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| 01:47.13 | TSMI | dvs, right, I understand the concept. But it does not have the firmware I need to proceed. |
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| 01:47.27 | dvs | Which firmware is that? |
| 01:47.51 | TSMI | rtl_nic/rtl868e-3.fw |
| 01:48.52 | dvs | you're missing a number |
| 01:49.13 | TSMI | Probably, I typed it onto my tablet from the screen |
| 01:50.06 | mrrhq | Your best bet would be to use a dedicated NIC, or just not use Ethernet. That's what the firmware is for. You should still be able to use Wi-Fi, unless that also needs non-free drivers. |
| 01:50.07 | dvs | Anyways, you don't have to unpack the deb |
| 01:51.04 | TSMI | dvs, then how do I let the system know to install the fw from the deb? |
| 01:51.28 | TSMI | mrrhq, wifi needs non free driver as well |
| 01:51.37 | dvs | TSMI, If the kernel supports that firmware, it will try and find it |
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| 01:52.16 | TSMI | I put the deb in the root directory, the manual said that would be ok |
| 01:52.37 | dvs | sorry, gotta go |
| 01:52.41 | mrrhq | TSMI: My condolences. You could put the firmware on a flash drive and install it from there into /lib/firmware temporarily. |
| 01:52.49 | TSMI | The iso is 8.5, I downloaded the deb for stable, all arch |
| 01:53.13 | TSMI | And put it in the root of the usb stick I am booting from |
| 01:53.19 | TSMI | Not sure where Ive gone wrong |
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| 01:54.37 | mrrhq | TSMI: If you have the .deb file, you can install it with sudo dpkg -i <myfile.deb> |
| 01:54.47 | mrrhq | If you have a shell. |
| 01:55.10 | TSMI | mrrhq, no, I am still trying to install |
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| 01:55.56 | mrrhq | TSMI: You can still finish the Debian installation, and install the network firmware later. |
| 01:56.19 | TSMI | I am reburning the usb ISO anyway, get a syslinux error on boot (though pressing enter takes me to the main screen anyway) |
| 01:56.48 | TSMI | mrrhq, not an option sadly. No access to wired ethernet, or a machine that can write to usb sticks |
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| 01:59.01 | mrrhq | I always have a USB dongle for Wi-Fi that I know works on Linux, just in case that stuff happens. :p |
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| 02:01.32 | TSMI | mrrhq, I can treat my tablet as a wired connection if I plug it into the usb port in ubuntu. I think that requires some drivers to work though, not aure |
| 02:01.48 | TSMI | I tried doing that in the install to see if it would pick it up |
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| 02:02.37 | mrrhq | TSMI: Not sure how that works either. Could be USB tethering. |
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| 02:03.38 | TSMI | Yeah. Hang on... I guess I could install debian, then install the firmware deb manually post install and just kind of hope it works :/ |
| 02:04.26 | TSMI | Hmm too risky |
| 02:04.30 | mrrhq | It does suck that Debian doesn't come with proprietary drivers installed by default. It is certainly a distro for intermediary/experianced users. |
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| 02:04.52 | mrrhq | Most people would probably quit at the point you're at now, lol. |
| 02:04.59 | kcirick | TSMI: Why not put the fimrware on your USB drive and install from that once you have installed the system? |
| 02:05.11 | mrrhq | That's what I said, too. |
| 02:05.19 | kcirick | Why wouldn't that work? |
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| 02:05.37 | TSMI | still seems risky |
| 02:05.46 | kcirick | What's risky about it? |
| 02:06.02 | TSMI | What if theres further issues with wireless at that point? |
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| 02:06.37 | kcirick | TSMI: Do you have some sort of non-standard wireless setup? |
| 02:06.51 | mrrhq | TSMI: I dunno. If there are, don't hesitate to ask for help. :) |
| 02:07.04 | mrrhq | Sounds like you just need the firmware. |
| 02:07.11 | kcirick | If it's just a standard wireless wireless-tools will take care of it |
| 02:07.19 | TSMI | kcirick, weird drivers |
| 02:07.45 | kcirick | TSMI: Is your driver very new? |
| 02:07.55 | TSMI | Actually reading some more docs, I should be able to usb tether the tablet, and just configure the installer to connect to usb0 or whatever |
| 02:07.57 | kcirick | i mean your wireless card |
| 02:08.05 | TSMI | No |
| 02:08.14 | TSMI | I am using the firmware nonfree install |
| 02:08.21 | kcirick | Then kernel+firmware will work |
| 02:08.21 | TSMI | Not there, it seems |
| 02:08.32 | kcirick | TSMI: What's your card? |
| 02:10.14 | TSMI | rtl_nic/rtl868e-3.fw |
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| 02:10.27 | TSMI | Missing a number copied it from the screen.. |
| 02:10.40 | kcirick | TSMI: I dont understand... so you already have that firmware? |
| 02:10.59 | kcirick | What's the output of 'lspci | grep Network'? |
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| 02:12.48 | TSMI | Does the installer have a shell? |
| 02:13.19 | TSMI | kcirck, copied it from the installer screen, it says its missi g |
| 02:13.44 | kcirick | TSMI: once you finish installing, and reboot, you have the shell without network access |
| 02:14.06 | TSMI | kcirck, then I have no way of installing a driver |
| 02:14.20 | kcirick | put the firmware on your usbstick |
| 02:14.43 | kcirick | then mount your usbstick and copy the firmware onto /lib/firmware |
| 02:15.13 | kcirick | you dont need network to mount a usb stick |
| 02:15.18 | TSMI | The firmware is in the usb |
| 02:15.30 | TSMI | The package I need is in /firmware |
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| 02:16.09 | kcirick | TSMI: forget packages, just download the whole tree from kernel.org: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/ |
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| 02:17.10 | kcirick | Or just get the file you need: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/rtl_nic |
| 02:17.58 | TSMI | Let me abort the installation and boot back to ubuntu. Ill download that |
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| 02:18.59 | kcirick | TSMI: If you download the whole tree, then there is a makefile inside where you can do "make install" and it will copy all of the firmware to /lib/firmware |
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| 02:21.11 | kcirick | This is one quirk about Debian, due to all the license BS... they can't just have one 'firmware' package that includes everything |
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| 02:24.12 | hugleo | I've installed a driver using dkms.conf and ever time that a reboot the original kernel is loaded. I have to do modprobe -r and modprobe -i to that to work. Dou you anybody know how can I solve it? |
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| 02:24.50 | TSMI | Thats not the issue. The firmware file is in the deb package. The system isnt scanning it |
| 02:25.10 | TSMI | Ill just unpack it. The manual is incorrect or misleading. |
| 02:25.49 | kcirick | TSMI: I'm not really sure what the installer does. I don't trust it 100% :-P |
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| 02:36.02 | TSMI | yeah the installer now picks up the ethernet driver after manually unpacking. But only tries connecting to eth0 |
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| 02:39.22 | kcirick | TSMI: which installer are you using? |
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| 02:40.21 | TSMI | 8.5 |
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| 02:41.52 | markybob | he's asking for the exact url of it. like he asked for the exact lspci info. you don't give details so no one really wants to get involved. he wan't the first to ask you (dvs) and you go around and around. it's tiring. |
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| 02:42.41 | markybob | wasn't* the first |
| 02:42.47 | kcirick | markybob: you drilled me on this when I was installing :-) |
| 02:43.48 | markybob | kcirick: yeah sounds like me. don't remember to be honest :P |
| 02:44.00 | TSMI | fair enough. I was unable to give the lspci details as I was in the installer. Anyway, I am probably giving up for today thanks for the help |
| 02:44.15 | kcirick | markybob: I remember you very well. You taught me well :-) |
| 02:44.31 | markybob | kcirick: glad i helped :) |
| 02:44.33 | kcirick | TSMI: did you read through this? https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
| 02:45.18 | TSMI | Yes. I referenced it earlier in the convo. Its slightly misleading |
| 02:45.40 | TSMI | You can simply write the .deb to the root of the boot medium. You need to unpack it |
| 02:45.58 | TSMI | s/can/can't |
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| 03:20.39 | eyeris | My system waits 1m30s for my disks and then gives up and says "welcome to emergency mode" without a login prompt. If I go to the VT9 debug shell and run "mount /dev/sda1 /boot" during that 1m30s delay it boots up fine. |
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| 03:38.09 | SilverWhitefish | never mind. instead of follwing all the syslinks i just went into /data/media/* and did what i needed to do. |
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| 04:28.03 | up2late | if i want to uninstall telnet whats it called? sudo apt-get uninstall telnet didnt work |
| 04:28.25 | up2late | i dont remmeber the proper command |
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| 04:29.01 | Anselmo | apt-get remove ? |
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| 04:29.43 | up2late | thats it |
| 04:29.43 | up2late | thanks |
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| 05:50.21 | bhurstpdx1 | is there a way to undo apt-get autoremove besides looking at /var/log/apt/history.log and reinstalling packages manually? |
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| 05:56.12 | awal1 | bhurstpdx1, autoremove removes the automatically installed pkgs (deps, recommends, basically). reinstalling the pkg removed will reinstall those deps/recommends |
| 05:57.13 | awal1 | -1 = -2, 3, 4... so +1 = +2, 3, 4 |
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| 05:57.26 | awal1 | :D |
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| 06:00.21 | awal1 | aptitude -f install may reinstall them all (main pkg + it's deps/recommends) if you havent used --purge with autoremove for apt-get/apt or aptitude, bhurstpdx1 |
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| 06:09.24 | bhurstpdx1 | Thanks awall! |
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| 06:11.12 | bhurstpdx1 | looks like I was able to reinstall everything manually. next time I inevitably screw up, i'll remeber that! |
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| 06:25.30 | ocb | hello |
| 06:26.01 | a1batr0ss | hi |
| 06:26.23 | ocb | running debian wheezy and having latest php5 installed from repo (php5_5.4.45-0+deb7u4), it's obsolete, am I right? |
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| 06:28.17 | ocb | ls -la |
| 06:29.34 | rozie | ocb: http://php.net/eol.php |
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| 06:31.37 | ocb | rozie: I have seen that, but debian doesn't backport some updates even after EOL? |
| 06:32.10 | rozie | it may have *some* updates (see changelog) |
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| 06:33.04 | ocb | ok thanks /usr/share/doc/php5-common/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 06:56.24 | discovered | what you do when debian system freeze completely? Mouse,Keyboard does not move at all |
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| 06:58.57 | Haohmaru | discovered, ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 06:59.22 | discovered | What it will do? Task Manager will be opened? |
| 06:59.24 | Haohmaru | and, does the numlock or capslock work (does it toggle the LED on the keyboard) ? |
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| 06:59.43 | Haohmaru | no, that would switch to another textmode thing |
| 07:00.02 | Haohmaru | so that you can log in and execute commands |
| 07:00.03 | ocb | hmmm I can't get it, what kind of patches does debian LTS support make for obsolete packages, all or just critical? |
| 07:00.16 | discovered | okay ok.... |
| 07:00.28 | ocb | for example, php5-5.4.45+deb7u4 |
| 07:00.47 | ocb | I see even the php is obsolete the 5.4.45 there are backported patches |
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| 07:01.42 | mrrhq | discovered: Hard freeze, as in can't get to a tty? |
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| 07:02.04 | discovered | no. |
| 07:02.40 | angor | discovered: does ctrl-alt-f1 work? |
| 07:03.10 | discovered | I did not try this.... I simply rebooted with power button |
| 07:03.19 | angor | :) |
| 07:03.22 | discovered | I will try it next time |
| 07:03.39 | angor | play now, when system still alive |
| 07:04.04 | angor | in text mode you can switch from alt-f1 to alt-f6, alt-f7 will return to X |
| 07:04.32 | saunamees | I cannot figure out these tap interfaces on VM-s -.- |
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| 07:04.59 | mrrhq | discovered: You can check logs with sudo pager /var/log/syslog and see if anything looks odd during the crash. |
| 07:05.07 | mrrhq | Or, actually, journalctl -xb |
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| 07:07.15 | saunamees | but then I lose connection on host |
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| 07:55.08 | colo-work | I'd like to migrate a physical Debian Wheezy installation into an LXC (or other; maybe systemd's machinectl is up for that task?) container on a Debian Jessie host. is there a chance this could work by just copying over the phys. (wheezy) host's filesystem into an existing lxc container directory? |
| 07:55.13 | colo-work | has anyone of you ever tried that? |
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| 08:14.59 | Anonymes | Hi |
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| 08:26.38 | renergy | still wonder, why APT is accessed with "apt-get" and not simply "apt" command |
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| 08:28.49 | rdz | renergy, what do you mean? apt is supposed to be a more end-user-friendly command, but both cover similar tasks |
| 08:30.06 | renergy | rdz: apt is a command? |
| 08:30.19 | renergy | I meant - instead of "apt-get update", one would call just "apt update" |
| 08:30.29 | renergy | instead of "apt-get clean" -> "apt clean" |
| 08:30.42 | renergy | the "-get" part of "apt-get" kind of irritates me |
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| 08:31.20 | rdz | renergy, in debian jessie there indeed is an 'apt' command |
| 08:31.30 | rdz | you can do: apt update, apt upgrade |
| 08:31.59 | rdz | there is no 'clean' command, though |
| 08:32.17 | renergy | rdz: thank you for the info |
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| 08:43.22 | ioanm | hi, I have this issue in xserver-xorg-video-ati version 7.5.0 TearFree is not available (using Debian Jessie Stable) |
| 08:43.51 | peterrooney | renergy: apt-cache, apt-file, apt-rdepends, apt-listchanges, apt-src ... |
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| 08:47.52 | renergy | peterrooney: thanks |
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| 08:55.23 | t4nk762 | Hey guys, I've a problem with golang.org language, I'm running on Debian 8. Basically my Go's net.Dialer only makes IPv4 connections by default, but my server seems to be only listening on IPv6. Creating this error net.Dial(tcp, "localhost:8089") got error: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:8089: getsockopt: connection refused |
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| 08:57.26 | t4nk762 | Hey guys, I've a problem with golang.org language, I'm running on Debian 8. Basically my Go's net.Dialer only makes IPv4 connections by default, but my server seems to be only listening on IPv6. Creating this error "net.Dial(tcp, "localhost:8089") got error: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:8089: getsockopt: connection refused". How can I automatically configure any IPv4 Dial to transform into a IPv6 Dial, or how can I make my debian 8 server lis |
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| 09:08.50 | ioanm | okay I heard i can move from debian jessie stable to testing, how? |
| 09:10.54 | t4nk762 | Hey guys, I've a problem with golang.org language, I'm running on Debian 8. Basically my Go's net.Dialer only makes IPv4 connections by default, but my server seems to be only listening on IPv6. Creating this error "net.Dial(tcp, "localhost:8089") got error: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:8089: getsockopt: connection refused". How can I automatically configure any IPv4 Dial to transform into a IPv6 Dial, or how can I make my debian 8 server lis |
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| 09:11.30 | up2late | http://bfy.tw/6XmX |
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| 09:14.55 | ioanm | up2late, yeah you certainly solved it |
| 09:15.16 | ChrisH | t4nk762: netstat -an | grep 8089 |
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| 09:17.47 | up2late | ioanm: your welcome |
| 09:18.00 | up2late | *you're |
| 09:18.21 | ioanm | well better closed my programs, upgrading |
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| 09:23.33 | t4nk762 | ChrisH: Did it already with fuser 8089/tcp beforehand |
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| 09:24.58 | t4nk762 | brb |
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| 10:12.09 | t4nk762 | Hey guys, I've a problem with golang.org language, I'm running on Debian 8. Basically my Go's net.Dialer only makes IPv4 connections by default, but my server seems to be only listening on IPv6. Creating this error "net.Dial(tcp, "localhost:8089") got error: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:8089: getsockopt: connection refused". How can I automatically configure any IPv4 Dial to transform into a IPv6 Dial, or how can I make my debian 8 server lis |
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| 10:25.15 | debianoob | can someone help me? |
| 10:25.30 | debianoob | I want to change to debian testing |
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| 10:25.46 | debianoob | if I change sources.list from jessie to testing, will that work? |
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| 10:35.11 | mikejw | I'm trying these sendmail settings for use with mailtrap but I'm getting connection timed out in the logs: |
| 10:35.14 | mikejw | https://gist.github.com/sybarite/2994745 |
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| 10:47.20 | Prottey | Say, I need to rename the orig tarball for a certain weird reason. Once I download source and unpack it, I rename both the tarball (foo_0.12.orig.tar.xz to foo_0.12-tag.orig.tar.gz) and the directory (foo-0.12 to foo-0.12-tag) |
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| 10:48.01 | thms | Prottey: and then ? |
| 10:48.21 | Prottey | However when I try debuild, it calls dpkg-source again, which in turn thinks the orig tarball still has the old name |
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| 10:48.45 | thms | what the hell |
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| 10:49.00 | thms | either just rename the .xz or .tgz and thats it; no need to unpack |
| 10:49.09 | thms | either unpack and re-pack if it's not too big |
| 10:49.44 | thms | why did you rename a .tar.xz to a .tar.gz btw ? |
| 10:49.50 | Prottey | I did run find and rgrep, but I haven't found old name or version mentioned anywhere, except old entries in changelog (I added one with a new name via dch -i) |
| 10:50.15 | Prottey | s/gz/xz/ |
| 10:50.16 | thms | paste the error somewhere pls |
| 10:50.30 | Prottey | typo |
| 10:50.34 | thms | ok |
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| 10:51.00 | thms | I don't get your "debuild" |
| 10:51.07 | thms | and why you unpack to rename an archive |
| 10:51.09 | Prottey | moreover, even removing all the old entries from changelog doesn't help either |
| 10:51.32 | thms | just mv orig.tgz new.tgz and then tar xzvf new.tgz ... |
| 10:51.44 | Prottey | "debuild -S -sa" command |
| 10:52.03 | Prottey | should be basically similar to dpkg-buildpackage or something |
| 10:52.09 | thms | what the heck are you doing |
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| 10:52.15 | thms | yeah it's for debian packages |
| 10:52.42 | thms | Mh ok finally understood what you're trying to achieve |
| 10:53.29 | thms | Yeah I think you'd have to build the package again. Can't really help sorry |
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| 10:54.56 | Pat2_ | hello all |
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| 10:55.57 | Pat2_ | i didn't find any solutions anywhere to my question that is : is there a sources.list for squeeze. i want just install memtest86+ |
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| 10:58.02 | Pat2 | my question server for squeeze ? or would there be a solution to install memtest86+ ?deb-src ? |
| 10:58.31 | Prottey | actually, after running 'dpkg-source -b foo-0.12-tag' it says 'no upstream tarball found at foo_0.12.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz}' |
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| 11:00.20 | thms | Prottey: there's a debian developpers channel, i think you should try your luck there |
| 11:01.08 | Iridos | there's #debian-mentors on oftc ... but they're more for helping new developers package official debian packages |
| 11:01.42 | Prottey | they say #debian-devel is invite-only |
| 11:02.04 | Prottey | sent a knock |
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| 11:06.11 | Prottey | I think I got it anyway |
| 11:06.29 | Prottey | it's some weird changelog semantics |
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| 11:07.31 | bazhang | !doesn't work |
| 11:07.31 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 11:08.10 | Pat2 | solution was here : deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze contrib main non-free |
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| 11:57.21 | ioanm | I have this wierd select issue in HexChat textbox, the cursor with mouse selects characters a few pixels to it's right |
| 11:57.31 | ioanm | is that general, for everyone or just me? |
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| 12:00.26 | Aaron | ioanm: ask that in #hexchat |
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| 12:13.32 | pflanze | How does Debian or Xfce read startup files nowadays? It doesn't read ~/.profile anymore. |
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| 12:18.00 | jubo2 | how do I mass delete all email in a mailbox I read with alpine that is sent by the cron on the localhost? |
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| 12:20.19 | musca | !alpine |
| 12:20.19 | dpkg | Alpine is a cross-platform e-mail client for the console. It is a rewrite of <Pine>, distributed under the version 2.0 of the Apache License. It currently has no <maildir> support (Debian bug #405762). http://www.washington.edu/alpine/faq/ |
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| 12:20.25 | musca | jubo2: http://www.washington.edu/alpine/faq/usage.html#3.5 |
| 12:20.37 | renergy | pflanze: depends on the desktop manager you're using; I'm using none :) starting X with startx |
| 12:20.51 | renergy | pflanze: and have init stuff in ~/.xinitrc |
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| 12:26.25 | bashman | all: if someone is using dvtm, bash has a facility with alt backspace to delete the last word (not the same as ^w which deletes the complete arguement until it encounteres a space) |
| 12:26.30 | bashman | this does not seem to work |
| 12:26.33 | bashman | in dvtm |
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| 12:31.50 | jubo2 | musca: ok thänks |
| 12:32.04 | backspace | ... |
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| 12:34.03 | musca | jubo2: ÿw |
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| 12:36.38 | gerforce | hello, i want to convert .ape file into .wav file, so i can burn it into a dvd for my car to play. So which software should i use in Debian jessie? I tried soundconverter,but it seemed only working for .flac to .wav. |
| 12:37.22 | dvs | gerforce, audacity? |
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| 12:38.29 | gerforce | dvs: working on it |
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| 12:40.12 | gerforce | dvs: it seems too professional. |
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| 12:40.31 | gerforce | need some time to get used to it |
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| 12:40.39 | dvs | gerforce, you just need to load the file and then export it |
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| 13:01.31 | gerforce | dvs: yes, but it only supports low quality convert from ape to wav. I convert from ape to flac first, and then use soundconverter to convert flac to wav with high quality. |
| 13:01.52 | dvs | ok |
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| 13:02.02 | ifnotnowthenwhy | Hi all, I've got a server that have both sendmail and postfix installed, both with different configurations, in the cronjob i got mails successfully going out via /usr/sbin/sendmail, but how can I figure out which configuration files /usr/bin/mail is using to send? (sendmail.mc or main.cf from postfix?) |
| 13:02.13 | ifnotnowthenwhy | Thanks in advance |
| 13:02.47 | gerforce | dvs: In my opinion, big file means good quality. lol |
| 13:04.02 | colo-work | ifnotnowthenwhy, afair, Debian doesn't allow for parallel installations of more than one MTA. |
| 13:04.13 | colo-work | how did you figure out which MTAs you (supposedly) have installed= |
| 13:04.15 | colo-work | ? |
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| 13:08.27 | petemc | ifnotnowthenwhy: probably whichever provides /usr/sbin/sendmail , check with readlink -f /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 13:35.59 | MaBunny | hey guys have anyone of youtried Google Mock ??? Its a unit testing framework |
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| 13:36.50 | mayhew | MaBunny: try #gtest on irc.oftc.net :) |
| 13:37.00 | MaBunny | thnx |
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| 14:08.54 | TehRabbitt | okay, so i'm noticing something very strange. |
| 14:09.14 | TehRabbitt | when I log into these new "cloned" debian boxes I made, after changing hostname and IP, it takes a VERY long time to get a password prompt |
| 14:09.43 | TehRabbitt | is it just RDNS most liekly? |
| 14:09.48 | TehRabbitt | likely* |
| 14:10.13 | TehRabbitt | though even sudo is taking a LONG time to come up with a prompt. |
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| 14:12.58 | jelly | TehRabbitt: did you change hostname in all the right places and does your dns resolving work and do those new IPs have PTRs in your dns? |
| 14:13.15 | jelly | !hostname |
| 14:13.16 | dpkg | Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 14:13.23 | TehRabbitt | jelly, I think I missed one. i'm revewing everything now, just didn't think it would affect sudo as well just ssh |
| 14:13.30 | jelly | (/etc/hosts in particular) |
| 14:13.49 | TehRabbitt | jelly, is there a way to disable rdns for PAM all together? or is it better to leave it? |
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| 14:14.55 | jelly | not that I know, and I'm not sure it's all PAM |
| 14:15.13 | jelly | both sshd and sudo have reasons to do lookups in their code |
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| 14:15.32 | TehRabbitt | jelly, Ah. |
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| 14:16.07 | TehRabbitt | jelly, i'm guessing mostly for logging purposes etc? I did do a "UseDNS no" in the sshd_config and it helped speed that part up, but the main issue was apparently I had to put the hostname next to 127.0.0.1 and not just localhost |
| 14:16.10 | TehRabbitt | it needed both |
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| 14:16.53 | wrouesnel1 | Is there a decent resource on what packaging with git-buildpackage looks like working from an upstream repository? |
| 14:16.54 | jelly | TehRabbitt: it needed _an_ entry for your fqdn in /etc/hosts, not necessarily 127.0.0.1 |
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| 14:17.32 | jelly | TehRabbitt: if you have a static ip, use that. "10.9.8.7 hostname.full.domain hostnname" |
| 14:17.46 | jelly | leave 127.0.0.1 to be jsut localhost |
| 14:18.03 | asterismo | one question, what is this systemd fear that is all over the place? |
| 14:18.13 | asterismo | what is that? a new kernel? |
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| 14:19.02 | TehRabbitt | jelly, it's weird, because when I added the hostname to 127.0.0.1, it sped up |
| 14:19.16 | TehRabbitt | better practice not to have it tehre though? |
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| 14:22.03 | TehRabbitt | jelly, okay so I did just the 127.0.0.1 to localhost, and made a seperate entry for the actual hostname of the server, and it it's still quick, so i guess that's all it needed. |
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| 14:23.22 | TehRabbitt | jelly, now to figure out this repository stuff :\ basically want to ensure production only gets security updates on a regular (weekly) basis, and leave regular updates to monthly. but I can't figure out an easy way to do that |
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| 14:24.14 | TehRabbitt | jelly, thanks btw :) |
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| 14:27.09 | mayhew | asterismo: it's a new init system (the first process that the kernel executes) |
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| 14:49.42 | dcpc007 | Hi, what are the differences between sssd and nlscd for ldap clients ? (note that we have debian 7 and centos/RHEL too in servers) |
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| 15:14.12 | galex-713 | Hi |
| 15:14.19 | galex-713 | why are guile-cairo and guile-gnome packaged into Debian without info documentation? |
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| 15:24.47 | jhutchins | dcpc007: https://www.redhat.com/en/files/resources/en-rhel-intergrating-rhel-6-active-directory.pdf https://access.redhat.com/solutions/55840 |
| 15:25.10 | jhutchins | dcpc007: sssd is generally considered more current. |
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| 15:26.55 | dcpc007 | debian seems to recommand nslcd |
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| 15:27.24 | dcpc007 | i easely found nslcd doc, (+nscd) in the wiki, but nothing with sssd |
| 15:28.36 | dcpc007 | some say that id Kerberos need, of full RHEL go for sssd, and if mixed env go nslcd |
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| 15:31.43 | jhutchins | dcpc007: I've only seen sssd used, and only on RedHat/CentOS systems. |
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| 15:37.21 | dcpc007 | ok i'll see but it seems that they already put nslcd on the cluster, then i'll use the same for oter servers and computers |
| 15:37.34 | dcpc007 | i'll look for autofs configuration too i need it ... |
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| 15:50.00 | jhutchins | dcpc007: That's also supposed to be better integrated in sssd, but if they've already implemented nslcd you might as well go with that. |
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| 15:50.21 | jhutchins | dcpc007: I have't been the one to implement it, but it seems like there's always one step that doesn't quite go as documented. |
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| 15:58.15 | dcpc007 | yes, as i don't know many things about both, i prefer learn only one .. even if not the best ... |
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| 16:13.20 | jelly | dcpc007: the right way to do it will be to learn 2-3 implementations well enough to set up the system in _any_ of them, then pick the least buggy |
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| 16:20.38 | Neville | I am trying to calibrate monitors and would like to install a color profile under xfce & Dedian. Please point me in the right direction. |
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| 16:28.57 | prussian | Neville: argyllcms can load it into Xorg. |
| 16:29.26 | prussian | I don't remember which command nor have a laptop to read the man pages for you. |
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| 16:30.11 | Neville | I am using displaycal with argyllcms; it fails to install the profile. |
| 16:31.20 | Neville | colord: The profile has been imported. You may need to manually assign and activate under "Color" system setting. |
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| 16:37.49 | jhutchins | I've had surprizingly good luck simply copying an error message and pasting it into google. Sometimes it helps to remove system-specific parts of the message. |
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| 16:43.52 | DrBunsen | Hello, I noticed that the firefox window has a window title and chrome hasn't. How is this and how do I edit this? See this example https://i.sli.mg/AUvjcf.png In that you will see that this topbar snoops away screen area. |
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| 16:48.16 | jhutchins | DrBunsen: That's usually a setting within the browser. |
| 16:48.45 | jhutchins | DrBunsen: For most, F11 gives you a full screen without borders. |
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| 16:49.38 | DrBunsen | jhutschin: I know about F11, if you look at the slimg link I shared you will see that I mean that without F11 the border is not present in chrome |
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| 16:52.10 | jhutchins | DrBunsen: Like I said, it's usually configurable in the browser. |
| 16:52.28 | jhutchins | DrBunsen: Depends a little on which display manager you're using, but that's not usually per-window. |
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| 16:52.59 | jhutchins | DrBunsen: BTW you should be able to type a few letters of a nickname and hit tab to auto-complete (occasionally with amusing errors). |
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| 16:53.37 | jmcnaught | DrBunsen: there are some gnome related firefox add-ons that might help you tweak this, but i haven't tried them |
| 16:54.04 | zoug | hello guys, I hear a lot that Debian has an extremely slow update pace. Is it still suitable for a webserver? Are security updates applied quickly or should I use another distro? Thanks! |
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| 16:54.53 | jmcnaught | zoug: security updates are handled pretty quickly on Debian |
| 16:55.23 | DrBunsen | zoug: I would prefer Debian for a webserver, it is stable and security udates are rather quick |
| 16:55.25 | jhutchins | zoug: While packages often have older version numbers, they are tested and patched. |
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| 16:55.44 | jmcnaught | zoug: Debian Stable releases keep to the same versions of all the software they include for their duration (with some exceptions), so that you don't get surprise behaviour/config changes when you apply security updates |
| 16:55.55 | jhutchins | zoug: Many people find Debian ideal for servers because it's so stable, and it doesn't sacrifice stability just to have the latest greatest version numbers. |
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| 16:56.21 | zoug | Okey, if they're patched when they're a security flaw then it's all good. Thanks ! |
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| 16:56.39 | zoug | s/they're/there's/ |
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| 17:07.26 | unborn | zoug: been using debian on srv for 7 years.. never had any issues, i am using it on all my machines (desks/laptops) past 3 moths and also it just works (need doing ubuntu for about 4 years), so yeah its all good :) |
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| 17:24.42 | Coolternet | hello guys |
| 17:24.56 | Coolternet | im using VirtualBox and i have fresh install of Debian 8.5.0 |
| 17:25.46 | Coolternet | I have 2 Cdrom (virtual) but my linux is installed with VCD #0 and after install i set the iso on VCD#1 |
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| 17:26.02 | Coolternet | Now, i need to apt-get update... but all request is ignored |
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| 17:26.58 | jelly | Coolternet: if you did not have internet access during the installation, your repo configuration in /etc/apt/sources.list may be incomplete |
| 17:27.04 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 17:27.04 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 17:27.11 | Coolternet | when i try to install VIM, i have the message '' please insert disk labeled### " |
| 17:27.43 | jelly | Coolternet: comment out cdrom entries, leave only the remote http or ftp ones. |
| 17:27.44 | Coolternet | i juste need to install VIM because i need convert dos file to unix |
| 17:27.59 | jelly | we also have "dos2unix" |
| 17:28.20 | Coolternet | yeah but i dont have internet on the VM |
| 17:28.35 | jelly | perl -pi 's/\r//' file-to-convert |
| 17:28.48 | Coolternet | i need perl ? |
| 17:28.58 | jelly | no, you _have_ perl |
| 17:29.12 | jelly | that's just one of dozens of ways to do the conversion |
| 17:29.40 | jelly | Coolternet: is there a reason you don't have internet access? |
| 17:29.45 | Coolternet | im with RDP and im not able to do \ |
| 17:29.58 | jelly | Coolternet: is there a reason you don't have internet access? |
| 17:30.22 | mutante | put vim .deb on floppy, use dpkg -i .. /me hides |
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| 17:30.31 | Coolternet | for getting access i need to setting up /etc/network/interface and set nameserver |
| 17:30.44 | jelly | I thought vim-tiny was present in the base system. |
| 17:30.58 | jelly | judd: i vim-tiny |
| 17:30.59 | judd | Package vim-tiny (editors, important) in jessie/amd64: Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - compact version. Version: 2:7.4.488-7; Size: 408.1k; Installed: 1051k; Homepage: http://www.vim.org/ |
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| 17:31.44 | jelly | Coolternet: man ascii, copy the backslash character |
| 17:32.09 | jelly | "I don't have X or screen or gpm!" |
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| 17:32.31 | Grug_ | hi all |
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| 17:33.05 | jelly | Coolternet: why do you have two virtual cdrom devices anyway? |
| 17:33.39 | Coolternet | okay the first CDrom is for my scripts and the second for Linux CD |
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| 17:34.00 | Coolternet | i try to have an automatic system :( |
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| 17:35.37 | jelly | Coolternet: surely you can switch their places |
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| 17:36.19 | Coolternet | i have some customers with VM and they have no acces to VirtualBox |
| 17:36.20 | brimonk | Hey all. Quick question, is the version of qemu that's in sid really 1.2.6? Or is it the 1.2.6 Debian version, which is just the Debian name for qemu 2.6.0. |
| 17:36.23 | mutante | Coolternet: cant you just actually insert the needed CD? |
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| 17:37.04 | jelly | Coolternet: and you can't mount, copy the scripts to the system, umount, put debian back in? |
| 17:37.29 | Coolternet | no... if the ppl want to format VM, they can't do that. That's why i need 2 CDrom |
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| 17:37.37 | Coolternet | vim.tiny is perfect :) |
| 17:37.57 | jelly | Coolternet: first set up vbox images, THEN when they're ready give them to customers. This setup is silly |
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| 17:38.35 | dutchfish | hi, is /run recreated on every boot? and what creates it? |
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| 17:39.48 | dutchfish | and why is /var/run still needed? |
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| 17:43.17 | jelly | dutchfish: backwards combatability |
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| 17:43.40 | dutchfish | ah ok, i overlooked tmpfs also. Thanks. On par now. |
| 17:43.42 | jelly | may get removed in stretch maybe |
| 17:43.59 | dutchfish | jelly, yes, i saw that in sid |
| 17:44.19 | dutchfish | jelly, thanks again. |
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| 17:47.18 | kaboo | I need to run a script at startup to setup my iptables ruleset. What's the correct way to do this? |
| 17:47.56 | dutchfish | kaboo, https://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 17:52.18 | simonlnu | jelly: combatibility ? :) |
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| 17:52.35 | Coolternet | i have creat my own script : https://github.com/coolternet/Linux_Bash/blob/master/iptables_setup.sh |
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| 17:53.13 | Coolternet | if u want to use it :) let's go :) if you have any enhancement, juste comment the source |
| 17:53.45 | jelly | iptables-persistent is kind of good enough |
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| 17:54.08 | jelly | with -m comment for every rule |
| 17:54.33 | Coolternet | i use it because each time i restart the VM, i lost all rules pfff idk why |
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| 17:54.46 | Coolternet | but with perssistance it's seem to be ok |
| 17:56.11 | simonlnu | brimonk: Version: 1:2.6+dfsg-3 the 1: is an epoch; it's used in package versioning. the version is 2.6+dfsg (the +dfsg is to make the package comply with Debian's packaging guidelines). So you're looking at 2.6 for upstream version. |
| 17:56.45 | simonlnu | brimonk: to make the upstream software comply with those guidelines, rather |
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| 17:57.30 | brimonk | simonlnu: Thank you! |
| 17:57.32 | simonlnu | brimonk: usually because of docs included have a non-dfsg free license, or some other reason. |
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| 17:58.03 | brimonk | simonlnu: Now, next question. Is there an easy way to have two versions of qemu, stable & unstable |
| 17:58.14 | simonlnu | not recommended |
| 17:58.28 | brimonk | I didn't think so. |
| 17:58.30 | simonlnu | and no. a package can't have 2 versions of itself at once. |
| 17:58.30 | brimonk | I got it, |
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| 17:58.41 | simonlnu | installed* |
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| 17:58.45 | brimonk | I'll virtualize Debian unstable, |
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| 17:59.16 | brimonk | And I'll pass my gfx card through to unstable, then I'll install the newer version of qemu, then I'll be able to virtualize windows perfectly. |
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| 18:24.41 | MisterGadfly | Anyone know of a "json builder" or something like that to make writing json easier? |
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| 19:02.24 | yeehaw94 | I |
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| 19:04.23 | yeehaw94 | I'm trying to configure lirc in debian 8.5 but the package installer doesn't give me a list of remotes to configure (like in ubuntu). By default the remote works partially in xbmc but the OK and back button do not work. How is this supposed to work? |
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| 19:11.51 | yeehaw94 | backports it is, then... |
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| 19:16.30 | frog__ | hi |
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| 19:18.12 | frog__ | i'm fairly new to debian. i'm running jessy 8.5. i've added jessie-backports to my debian sources and installed certbot. now how can I make sure that the rest of the system will NOT use jessy-backports? especially when I make a system update? |
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| 19:19.17 | TomTheTosch | frog__: backports is per default pinned lower than the other repos. only stuff you installed manually should be pulled from backports. |
| 19:20.11 | TomTheTosch | frog__: if you type apt-cache policy you see the level at which a repo is pinned. 500 for the main stuff, 100 for backports. |
| 19:21.20 | TomTheTosch | frog__: 'man apt_preferences' to learn more. |
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| 19:21.28 | jim | "rest of the system"? probably remove backports... also consider deb-src and doing some of your needed backports yourself |
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| 19:22.24 | TomTheTosch | no need to remove backports. it's leave it in to get updates. |
| 19:22.37 | TomTheTosch | s/it's/I'd |
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| 19:24.20 | frog__ | TomTheTosch: thanks! |
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| 19:28.35 | Zliba | so... i wanna install a Zebra LP 2844-Z printer, and aparently, I'm supposed to just install a "generic" printer driver, add some lines, and then print to the printer using binary |
| 19:28.55 | davidkart | do you have some recommandation for serving static files with debian ? |
| 19:29.13 | davidkart | It seems apache is the per default web server with debian. Is that really true ? |
| 19:29.14 | Zliba | but I have never installed a printer before in linux, and I'm lost. I've got xfce and debian jessie |
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| 19:29.29 | davidkart | Zliba: |
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| 19:29.54 | davidkart | check if your printer is supported on linux, going on openprinting.org. |
| 19:30.24 | Zliba | davidkart, I was looking at http://fixunix.com/ibm-as400/106486-instructions-how-set-up-zebra-lp-2844-z.html |
| 19:30.30 | Zliba | davidkart, will check now |
| 19:30.51 | cavaughan | Zliba: yeah that printer is not on openprinting.org. Just checked it out. |
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| 19:31.44 | cavaughan | Zliba: look at this: |
| 19:31.48 | cavaughan | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1380592 |
| 19:33.15 | jhutchins | davidkart: apache is the default web server for everything except windows. |
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| 19:33.31 | jhutchins | davidkart: There are some others, but mostly not as well documented. |
| 19:33.36 | cavaughan | Zliba: OMG it's a label printer, right? |
| 19:33.38 | cavaughan | https://km.zebra.com/kb/index?page=content&id=SO2554&actp=RSS |
| 19:33.43 | Zliba | cavaughan, yeah |
| 19:34.13 | jhutchins | davidkart: nginx is getting fairly common especially as a proxy to handle a java (or other active server) service. |
| 19:34.45 | jhutchins | cavaughan: Yeah, zebra's a pretty well known brand for those. |
| 19:34.49 | cavaughan | https://support.zebra.com/cpws/docs/zebradesigner/cups_linux_r2.pdf |
| 19:35.32 | mayhew | nginx is way better for performance |
| 19:35.41 | davidkart | I just got some troubles by installing nginx, nothing seemed to work out of the box, and it seems to be security warning right here : https://packages.debian.org/jessie/nginx |
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| 19:36.06 | jhutchins | mayhew: It depends on what you're doing with it. |
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| 19:36.26 | davidkart | and performance-wise, I don't think I'm concerned (if the server handles 10 simultaneous connection, it's ok, that's about the max I'd expect). |
| 19:36.56 | davidkart | Well, anyway going for apache has its own benefits (like toying with one of the most commonly employed web server). |
| 19:36.59 | jhutchins | davidkart: Use apache. It's worth learning, and once you've learned it you'll understand nginx better. |
| 19:37.16 | davidkart | yeah, that's what I was beginning to think. |
| 19:37.24 | jhutchins | davidkart: The main trick with nginx is to do as little as possible configuring it. |
| 19:38.04 | mayhew | jhutchins: from my experience nginx is *always* faster than Apache. It's simply a more modern codebase that was built from the ground up based on epoll/kqueue with no legacy shit like Apache. |
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| 19:38.51 | mayhew | Apache has 3-4 different runtimes, awful XML configuration that's more complex.. there's really no reason to use it unless you're on shared hosting or need .htaccess or something. |
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| 19:39.33 | jhutchins | mayhew: nginx appears faster because it doesn't do any of the work, that's all passed to the back end. |
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| 19:40.45 | jhutchins | mayhew: Yes, apache is complex, there are a LOT of things it can do. |
| 19:40.55 | mayhew | jhutchins: no, it is faster doing the exact same work as Apache. And it's a good design to keep your application outside of the webserver, you say that like it's a bad thing. |
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| 19:41.23 | jhutchins | mayhew: Apache is the internet standard, and for good reason. |
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| 19:41.54 | mayhew | jhutchins: there is no internet standard, and if you look at the statistics the top sites are using nginx more and more these days and for good reason. |
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| 19:42.44 | jhutchins | mayhew: How many web servers do you manage? |
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| 19:43.21 | mayhew | I'm not sure how that's relevant |
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| 19:43.34 | jhutchins | Just curious. |
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| 19:44.31 | rozie | apache is de facto standard, and it's swiss knife |
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| 19:45.00 | rozie | nginx is faster, but requires more work at tuning configuration |
| 19:45.11 | rysiek|pl | disagrees |
| 19:45.15 | rozie | and it's mainly used on front |
| 19:45.25 | rysiek|pl | disagrees again |
| 19:45.36 | mayhew | rozie: no, nginx requires basically no config. It's Apache that requires more configuration. Right up front you need to decide what "run-time" you want to see, mpm, prefork, event, etc. |
| 19:45.45 | rysiek|pl | disagrees with that too |
| 19:46.11 | rysiek|pl | nginx config language is much simpler and much mroe readable; that being said, it's still confusing at times, and requries some getting used to |
| 19:46.19 | rozie | it all depends ;-) |
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| 19:46.42 | rysiek|pl | at times it's a bit more demanding, but for good reasons (like locations vs ifs) |
| 19:46.58 | rozie | rysiek|pl: if an app requires some rewrites and supports apache, well... |
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| 19:47.15 | mayhew | rozie: nginx can rewrite URLs just fine |
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| 19:47.19 | rozie | I know everything can be translated |
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| 19:47.26 | rysiek|pl | rozie: "supports" by providing a htaccess file? it can and should provide nginx snippet too |
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| 19:47.28 | mayhew | rozie: but that implies you're using PHP probably? |
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| 19:48.22 | H4ndy | php-fpm was a godsent comming from apache |
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| 19:48.30 | davidkart | well one strong advantage of apache, i'd say, for noob is that the thing is well aged and has plenty of doc around. Same could be said for nginx, but it's still less mature I believe. Well for fancy web servers which are processing a ton of requests, maybe nginx is better than apache. But i'm a noob, atm I just want to host my blog (lol). I don't think it's going to make that much a difference. |
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| 19:48.50 | rysiek|pl | davidkart: trudat |
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| 19:49.03 | H4ndy | nginx is king on low-power machines like the raspberry pi, but apache did some work in that regard as well to give them credit |
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| 19:49.23 | rozie | OTOH I had no problem with Wordpress on lighttpd |
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| 19:49.49 | H4ndy | lighttpd was pretty much the same than nginx, but it wasnt able to keep up at all with it |
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| 19:50.04 | rozie | which has even better config syntax than nginx (at least for Perl guy) |
| 19:50.11 | H4ndy | I used lighttpd for 2 years until nginx put on their tryhard pants and lifted of |
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| 19:50.47 | rozie | but today I'd choose nginx |
| 19:51.05 | rozie | lighttpd is the only server with no http/2 support (and no plans for it) |
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| 19:51.36 | H4ndy | yeah their development slowed to a crawl |
| 19:51.48 | H4ndy | I was hyped for 1.5.0 years ago |
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| 19:54.02 | rozie | one day I will migrate |
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| 19:54.12 | rozie | but so far, it works ;) |
| 19:54.23 | unborn | H4ndy: yeah apache 2.4 seems to me much lighter as well |
| 19:54.32 | jhutchins | I don't think apache and nginx are targeted at the same kind of use. |
| 19:55.20 | H4ndy | well for standard "lamp" usage they are pretty much the same on your average linux box |
| 19:56.05 | mayhew | jhutchins: I'd agree, nginx seems to be perfect for people who just want a reverse proxy, static file server, and high performance, whereas with Apache people want to write modules that live directly in the process |
| 19:56.08 | H4ndy | I like the simplicity of nginx, it's more static in its configuration. Apache is more flexible, especially with multiuser usage |
| 19:57.02 | mayhew | there are nginx modules, but the community doesn't seem to use them as much |
| 19:57.11 | mayhew | and only Lua is embedded I believe |
| 19:57.22 | mayhew | whereas pretty much anything can be embedded in Apache |
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| 20:01.56 | [Kernel_Panic] | Hello |
| 20:02.40 | unborn | proxying site is possible with apache too.. not big deal.. I think its personal preference ;) |
| 20:02.50 | unborn | *sites |
| 20:04.08 | mayhew | unborn: if that's all you wanted to do though, I'd prefer nginx. Apache's a pretty big hammer for such a small nail. |
| 20:04.46 | davidkart | well basically I would have come with web.py for a small, simple webserver. |
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| 20:05.40 | unborn | mayhew: ah no no, was just joining discussion here.. |
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| 20:06.17 | davidkart | if simplicity was the point |
| 20:07.04 | unborn | for serving some static stuff you dont even need both of them.. just python -m SimpleHTTPServer 8080 and you good to go |
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| 20:10.46 | jhutchins | [Kernel_Panic]: Feel free to just jump in if you have a question. |
| 20:11.48 | mayhew | Python HTTP servers tend to be pretty awful if you care about perfomance though, and a lot of them are intended to be behind a proxy due to DoS |
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| 20:25.10 | jhutchins | NCSA HTTPD. |
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| 20:31.09 | jhutchins | mayhew: Some numbers to consider: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/category/web-server-survey/ |
| 20:32.29 | jhutchins | Tengine looks interesting: http://tengine.taobao.org/ |
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| 20:36.02 | mayhew | jhutchins: interesting numbers, but I think nginx is a bit more popular amonst the top sites |
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| 20:37.15 | simonlnu | does nginx |
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| 20:45.36 | awal1 | I installed mate and all fine but now when I login in xfce session the notification theme used is the mate one, ugly yellow+blue decor :(. I went to xfce settings and choosed default theme for notification but mate theme still persistent even after logout/login. Also I get same mate notification theme in all WM's I run. How to solve that "issue" ? |
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| 20:48.16 | simonlnu | because the mate notification daemon is running, not the xfce one. |
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| 20:55.58 | jhutchins | mayhew: Not according to that. |
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| 20:56.11 | jhutchins | mayhew: That's been considered the definitive survey for years. |
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| 20:57.58 | [sr] | hi |
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| 20:58.03 | [sr] | i know this ia a bit offtopic maybe |
| 20:58.21 | [sr] | but does anyone knows what makes wireless hotsports popup the browser after the wireless network selection |
| 20:58.31 | [sr] | with a specific webpage to sign in? |
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| 20:58.36 | [sr] | is this a DHCP option? |
| 20:58.42 | simonlnu | no |
| 20:59.02 | [sr] | simonlnu: any idea what is it? |
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| 20:59.18 | jhutchins | [sr]: It's a whole software layer that handles multiple components. |
| 20:59.37 | simonlnu | exactly |
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| 21:00.17 | [sr] | jhutchins: but where, in the clients devices? (phones/tablets/etc) |
| 21:00.19 | [sr] | or the hotspot? |
| 21:00.20 | jhutchins | !hostapd |
| 21:00.21 | dpkg | hostapd is a user-space IEEE 802.11 access point (AP) and IEEE 802.11X/WPA/WPA2/EAP authenticator. Any mac80211 driver providing AP functionality is supported by hostapd's nl80211 (netlink) driver. See /usr/share/doc/hostapd/README.Debian for program invocation and driver version/firmware notes. See also https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/hostapd . http://w1.fi/hostapd/ |
| 21:01.03 | jhutchins | [sr]: It runs on the AP/Router/Gateway. |
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| 21:01.58 | [sr] | jhutchins: hostapd does it then, i see |
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| 21:02.07 | [sr] | when i connect to the wifi network |
| 21:02.27 | [sr] | hostapd is the responsible to make the mobile device open the webbrowser automatic |
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| 21:02.32 | jhutchins | [sr]: It's a popular option. |
| 21:02.54 | awal1 | somonlinux, well, I looked at htop & tp and mate-notification daemon is not running. The only mate stuff running is mate-screensaver --no-daemon |
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| 21:04.05 | [sr] | jhutchins: well i can do everything from squid redirect and login page to iptables deny and accept's via IP or MAC, but that option never found nothing about it :) |
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| 21:04.31 | awal1 | simonlnu, well, I looked at htop & tp and mate-notification daemon is not running. The only mate stuff running is mate-screensaver --no-daemon |
| 21:04.42 | awal1 | & top |
| 21:05.56 | awal1 | Was very fine with xfce, dont know why he installed mate... |
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| 21:06.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | because you have masochistic traits? |
| 21:06.31 | awal1 | :P |
| 21:07.42 | GooseYArd | man i can't keep track of all these desktop things |
| 21:08.25 | jhutchins | [sr]: A few years ago there was a live CD that was popular and incorporated a centralized subscription service, ad revenue, and some other features. |
| 21:08.44 | awal1 | enabling a few system monitor plugins in mate panel mate starts whitout panels :D |
| 21:09.19 | [sr] | jhutchins: i see, but i want to do my own hotspot server, combine features that exists in one trademark and other, but none satisfies me |
| 21:09.54 | awal1 | I thought that mate, being a fork of the well mature andstable gnome2 will be rock solid, but now, xfce is more stable |
| 21:10.18 | [sr] | jhutchins: im reading the docs and dont see how it does the popup on the mobile device, dont see any info about it |
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| 21:11.30 | cavaughan | I think you can do a hotspot with customization on a Mikrotik |
| 21:11.31 | cavaughan | http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Customizing_Hotspot |
| 21:11.51 | jhutchins | [sr]: I have no specific knowledge of that feature, but there's a lot on google. |
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| 21:15.27 | [sr] | jhutchins: havent found... been trying to find it for about 6 months :( |
| 21:15.56 | blawiz | anyone know how to bind keys for the y-menu in mutt? (#mutt is dead) |
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| 21:22.45 | bmomjian | I reported a problem 24 hours ago that my wifi laptops occasionally could not ping my cable modem, even though they could ping my Debian server, and my Debian server could ping my cable modem, and they are all on the same subnet and plugged into the same switch. While rebooting everything did not help, It seems unplugging and replugging all my network cables into the switch has fix it. Some of these devices had been plugged into the switch for years. Is |
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| 21:24.25 | dondelelcaro | bmomjian: the rest of your question got chopped off |
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| 21:25.16 | jhutchins | bmomjian: Contacts oxidize. It's a good idea to re-seat connectors once in a while. It's one of the troubleshooting steps for a PC as well, unplug everything and plug it back in (one at a time). |
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| 21:25.26 | bjornar_ | How do I rerun the debian-installer steps from scratch after redownloading preseed ? |
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| 21:27.07 | [sr] | jhutchins: walled garden? |
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| 21:29.56 | bmomjian | uh, chopped off? |
| 21:30.01 | bmomjian | I typed too much, hmm |
| 21:30.32 | bmomjian | Here is the full text: http://pastebin.com/fNN5Wuva |
| 21:30.48 | bmomjian | wow, good to know, and something I never considered |
| 21:31.07 | bmomjian | It is odd I never saw errors on any of the interfaces, and I checked during the failures. |
| 21:31.41 | jhutchins | bmomjian: pastebin.com is not accesible here (and many other places). paste.debian.net |
| 21:31.45 | dondelelcaro | bmomjian: it would have been interesting to see what happened if you unplugged the switch too |
| 21:32.07 | dondelelcaro | (it's possible that the switch's bridge table got screwed up) |
| 21:33.00 | bmomjian | My message: http://momjian.us/tmp/message.txt |
| 21:33.12 | bmomjian | I did reboot the switch, but that did not fix it |
| 21:33.30 | bmomjian | yes, very odd |
| 21:34.11 | bmomjian | I remember because I rebooted Debian, the switch, and the cable modem at the same time, and it did not fix it. |
| 21:34.29 | bmomjian | only later did I unplug and replug, after it seems logical it had to be something about the switch |
| 21:35.04 | bmomjian | I do have dual ethernet on the Debian server, after the DNS and arp lookups worked to the cable modem, the Debian system wasn't even involved in the ping anymore. |
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| 21:35.52 | bmomjian | It has gotten warm here lately as we are entering summer, but these cables have been in for years. |
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| 21:37.41 | bmomjian | My family is of course happy, and testing that used to fail is no longer failing. |
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| 21:56.39 | Battaglin | is there no .torrent on mirror with all debian isos in? |
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| 21:57.00 | Battaglin | I mean on each arch.. e.g. AMD64 etc |
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| 21:58.58 | dvs | Battaglin, why do you want all the ISOs? |
| 21:59.53 | Battaglin | dvs: I dont.. just to seed |
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| 22:00.07 | SilverWhitefish | one torrent with all arch iso's? |
| 22:00.11 | davidkart | « The default Debian document root is /var/www/html. You can make your own virtual hosts under /var/www. This is different to previous releases which provides better security out of the box. » <- i don't quite understand this part. |
| 22:00.47 | Battaglin | SilverWhitefish: yes |
| 22:01.20 | Battaglin | all amd64 in one.. all i386 in one |
| 22:01.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | one torrent to rule them all? |
| 22:02.00 | Battaglin | yes CutMeOwnThroat you got it :D |
| 22:02.30 | Battaglin | one ping to rule them all :-) |
| 22:02.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | it may have been destroyed |
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| 22:04.57 | Battaglin | I just thought 1 file to fetch all from ehre http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/amd64/bt-cd/ would be nicer |
| 22:05.13 | SilverWhitefish | Battaglin, http://bttracker.debian.org:6969/stat |
| 22:05.38 | SilverWhitefish | Total 1.48TiB |
| 22:06.00 | SilverWhitefish | seed the world man, seed the world |
| 22:06.12 | jmcnaught | davidkart: which part? |
| 22:06.23 | davidkart | the last one |
| 22:06.36 | davidkart | « better security out of the box ». |
| 22:06.46 | davidkart | is that true for older version or for this version ? |
| 22:07.05 | Battaglin | SilverWhitefish: ofc I meant of the current release only... |
| 22:07.07 | Battaglin | :-) |
| 22:07.12 | jmcnaught | davidkart: that it provides better security? it's not that clear to me either, but out of the box apache won't be serving anything else you have in /var/www |
| 22:07.37 | jmcnaught | davidkart: this change happened for Jessie |
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| 22:12.22 | AirPlanes | hi. |
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| 22:18.54 | aedinius | AirPlanes: hi |
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| 22:21.09 | wulllst | it seems thare has been an organisational name change concerning debian's kernerl packages since kernel version 4.3. it seem, before, you would have linux-image, linux-headers, linux-source... and now there's only linux-base. can anyone point me to an explanation? i want to install kernel 4.3 from jessie-backports, because it includes a later an greater verison of the driver for my usb sound card. |
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| 22:22.12 | AirPlanes | debian is still in development right? |
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| 22:23.20 | wulllst | AirPlanes: it seems so. |
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| 22:24.19 | themill | AirPlanes: 4.6 is in jessie-backports, not 4.3 |
| 22:24.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 22:24.38 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc4-686-pae (4.7~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.2-2); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.2-2); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1) |
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| 22:24.52 | AirPlanes | a lawyer tell me which debian to install? |
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| 22:25.13 | AirPlanes | sorry i couldn't laugh too much to read to download something :) |
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| 22:27.02 | wulllst | themill, judd: is that kernel info meant to be for me? i suppose. i just found this on packages.debian.org: https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-base |
| 22:27.52 | themill | err yes |
| 22:28.16 | themill | linux-base is not a kernel |
| 22:28.22 | wulllst | realizes just now that judd is a bot |
| 22:28.45 | judd | is not a bot |
| 22:29.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinks judd shouldn't deny being a bot |
| 22:29.42 | judd | sulks |
| 22:30.15 | wulllst | feels funny |
| 22:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | pfft. take it up with the bot union... but no sulking! |
| 22:30.58 | wulllst | judd: i'm officially sorry. |
| 22:32.23 | davidkart | it has been more than 5 years since I touched a debian ^^ |
| 22:32.30 | wulllst | themill: i was just confused by not finding any linux-image packages above version 3.16 even in sid. |
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| 22:38.09 | wulllst | ok, found everything now. don't know what the problem was and don't care. also, i checked out: http://ircbots.debian.net/judd |
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| 22:42.46 | AirPlanes | hi |
| 22:42.52 | AirPlanes | why debian is not using xfce? |
| 22:43.19 | brimonk | AirPlanes: Because Gnome aims to be universally acceptable. |
| 22:43.23 | brimonk | AirPlanes: Probably. |
| 22:43.35 | AirPlanes | Proably? |
| 22:43.37 | AirPlanes | Probably*? |
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| 22:45.27 | AirPlanes | ??????????? |
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| 22:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is. |
| 22:47.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, install xfce |
| 22:47.38 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages. |
| 22:49.05 | aedinius | does debian use gnome as a default environment? i think the only non-minimal install i've done was cinnamon |
| 22:52.21 | SilverWhitefish | AirPlanes, you have the option to install xfce as well as kde with the installer |
| 22:54.05 | AirPlanes | Im trying debian in virtulmachine |
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| 22:54.19 | AirPlanes | hope to not get disappointed like ubuntu |
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| 22:58.01 | SilverWhitefish | AirPlanes, https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#Install_a_fresh_system_with_Xfce |
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| 22:58.33 | SilverWhitefish | AirPlanes, just curious but what didn't you like about Ubuntu? |
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| 23:00.12 | AirPlanes | SilverWhitefish, it didn't work on virtual machine |
| 23:00.21 | AirPlanes | terminal mouse... |
| 23:00.23 | AirPlanes | that's it? |
| 23:00.29 | AirPlanes | yes |
| 23:01.23 | SilverWhitefish | !gpm |
| 23:01.23 | dpkg | gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the application itself interprets the mouse clicks. http://www.nico.schottelius.org/software/gpm/ #gpm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:04.21 | aedinius | AirPlanes: what didn't work? |
| 23:04.36 | AirPlanes | it didn't boot |
| 23:04.51 | AirPlanes | so do u want me to move to ubuntu? |
| 23:05.20 | AirPlanes | i installed ubuntu and it didn't boot... |
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| 23:05.56 | themill | That has little to do with xfce. Maybe it's worth addressing the actual problem. |
| 23:06.01 | SilverWhitefish | AirPlanes, so now your trying to install debian |
| 23:06.04 | SilverWhitefish | ? |
| 23:06.19 | AirPlanes | Yep |
| 23:06.29 | AirPlanes | themill, ah? |
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| 23:06.37 | AirPlanes | SilverWhitefish, in virtual machine |
| 23:06.53 | AirPlanes | also in ubuntu the terminal i mean hard to scroll |
| 23:07.45 | AirPlanes | All files in one partition? |
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| 23:07.51 | AirPlanes | I mean should I select it? |
| 23:08.14 | SilverWhitefish | AirPlanes, once you get a system that boots try 'apt-get install gpm' for mouse support in terminal (console) |
| 23:08.25 | AirPlanes | so its same? |
| 23:08.37 | AirPlanes | also what to do with partition thing damn like arch |
| 23:08.42 | SilverWhitefish | and sure one partition should simplify things |
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| 23:09.17 | SilverWhitefish | do you rememeber what erros you recieved when you tried to boot ubuntu? |
| 23:09.22 | SilverWhitefish | errors* |
| 23:09.25 | AirPlanes | maybe uefi? |
| 23:09.35 | AirPlanes | i might have the vdi/vdk file |
| 23:10.07 | SilverWhitefish | ah thats probably because grub tried to install in the wrong place (MBR) |
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| 23:10.38 | AirPlanes | i installed it in virtualbox |
| 23:10.42 | AirPlanes | hmm? |
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| 23:11.09 | AirPlanes | the ubuntu vdi/vdk is in my external hdd |
| 23:11.12 | AirPlanes | is on |
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| 23:11.22 | SilverWhitefish | lets just see what happens with Debian |
| 23:11.40 | SilverWhitefish | i was just trying to prepare for when you get to the grub instalation part |
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| 23:12.01 | AirPlanes | hmm k |
| 23:12.21 | inthl | has anyone experience in using Dell PowerVault MD1200 or similar with non-dell PERC ? I've got the opportunity to get such a unit and I am asking myself whether a PERC is really necessary, or whether I can plug them into any external SAS controller interface. So basically powervaults with non-dell hardware hosts/servers |
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| 23:13.55 | SilverWhitefish | Airplanes, ok sorry all the uefi crap still confuses me, but when it asks to install grub to mbr select yes |
| 23:14.06 | SilverWhitefish | or manually install to /dev/sda |
| 23:14.07 | AirPlanes | comeon man its on virtualbox |
| 23:14.19 | AirPlanes | im not even on my host |
| 23:14.22 | SilverWhitefish | like it said its confusing |
| 23:14.28 | AirPlanes | its ok |
| 23:14.32 | AirPlanes | move on ? |
| 23:14.39 | AirPlanes | thanks anyway |
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| 23:15.07 | SilverWhitefish | im not 100% sure but being in a vm i dont think it actually installs to the real mbr |
| 23:15.12 | SilverWhitefish | but im trying to find out |
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| 23:18.07 | jmcnaught | if the VM's disk is a virtual disk backed by an image file, then the VM's MBR is on that disk image file, the VM would not be writing to a physical disk |
| 23:18.19 | speedy_stevie | Hi. I am trying to install Debian Jessie from bootable CD over ubuntu. I started going through the installer and told it to resize current 900 Meg partition to 1/2 of size, so then i can create a second partition. Now i am sitting on the "Resizing partition..." screen for like 2 hours. Is it suppose to take that long? |
| 23:18.41 | speedy_stevie | Can anyone suggest what to do at this point? |
| 23:19.36 | jmcnaught | speedy_stevie: i've never tried to resize a partition in the installer, but it might have more detailed information on tty4 (access it with Alt+F4, or Ctrl+Alt+F4 if using the graphical installer) |
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| 23:23.30 | AirPlanes | hi |
| 23:23.40 | AirPlanes | Should I choose Debian Desktop environent? |
| 23:23.53 | AirPlanes | *environment? |
| 23:24.01 | AirPlanes | or xfce/GNOME |
| 23:24.08 | jmcnaught | AirPlanes: it's up to you. It will install GNOME unless you select one of the options below it |
| 23:24.20 | AirPlanes | debian DE is GNOME? |
| 23:25.03 | Neville | I am trying to calibrate monitors and would like to install a color profile under xfce & Dedian. Please point me in the right direction. |
| 23:25.12 | jhutchins | AirPlanes: That's the default, there are several others available. |
| 23:25.31 | speedy_stevie | jmcnaught: thanks, i see some messages now. There are some messages from partman about "No matching physical volumes found. Reading all physica volumes. This make take a while. No volume groups found" |
| 23:25.44 | Neville | this is the message from displayCal: colord: The profile has been imported. You may need to manually assign and activate under "Color" system setting. |
| 23:25.57 | AirPlanes | I am asking because never tried one of these |
| 23:26.36 | jmcnaught | AirPlanes: GNOME fairly mature and has lots of "it just works", the others are okay too |
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| 23:26.57 | AirPlanes | actually someone in gnome atm say his mouse HUGE |
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| 23:27.38 | speedy_stevie | jmcnaught: I am not sure if those tell me something or not. There are also messages from kernel after that about sdb/sdc "unknown partition table". I do have 2 USB sticks connected |
| 23:27.50 | Neville | In GNOME, you can use GNOME Color Manage |
| 23:27.56 | AirPlanes | is it easier after choosing GNOME to change DE to try XFCE? |
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| 23:28.11 | jmcnaught | speedy_stevie: the most recent messages would be at the bottom, do they indicate progress at all? |
| 23:28.20 | AirPlanes | 13 left people and we finish |
| 23:28.31 | jhutchins | AirPlanes: You can install any or all of the DEs together, your login manager should let you choose which one to load. |
| 23:28.43 | AirPlanes | i mean |
| 23:29.12 | AirPlanes | thanks |
| 23:29.45 | SilverWhitefish | This is for everyone with a question right now: https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ |
| 23:30.14 | SilverWhitefish | read the famous manual |
| 23:30.39 | SilverWhitefish | eh |
| 23:30.45 | speedy_stevie | jmcnaught: oh wow!! You are not gonna believe it, but at the screen with all the messages i opened another tty then closed it, then came back and there was a message that partition was finished. Went back to graphical screen and its all GOOD NOW. The spirits are the in the air tonight!! :) |
| 23:30.50 | speedy_stevie | jmcnaught: thanks for your help |
| 23:31.01 | speedy_stevie | jmcnaught: i guess it just hung on something |
| 23:31.25 | jmcnaught | speedy_stevie: it probably just takes a long time to move all the bits around |
| 23:32.04 | SilverWhitefish | https://www.debian.org/doc/books |
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| 23:32.19 | jhutchins | speedy_stevie: A terrabyte is a LOT of space. |
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| 23:42.02 | cluelessperson | When you run a script ./script.py & |
| 23:42.08 | cluelessperson | does it die after a certain amount of time? |
| 23:42.48 | speedy_stevie | jmcnaught: one more quick question, in the partition list, how do i know which patition Debian installer will install into. It is based on the "Use as" field? On old partition is says "Use as: Do not use" and new one "Use as: Ext4 journaling file system" |
| 23:43.13 | jmcnaught | speedy_stevie: use as, and also the mount point |
| 23:44.28 | speedy_stevie | jmcnaught: got it. thanks you |
| 23:45.36 | SilverWhitefish | cluelessperson, https://www.google.com/search?q=.%2Fscript.py+%26&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=./script.py+%26&tbs=li:1 |
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| 23:46.14 | SilverWhitefish | those results are verbatum so its the first link the pops up |
| 23:46.32 | SilverWhitefish | verbatim* |
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| 23:48.32 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: is this some script that just keeps going? it will die if you exit the shell that started it, unless you use screen or nohup |
| 23:48.37 | cluelessperson | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.18 | AirPlanes | upgrade failed ;_; |
| 23:49.23 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: it's not simply the script reaching a condition that causes it to exit? |
| 23:49.56 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, My application is a flask app run as a thread, fairly simple |
| 23:50.54 | SilverWhitefish | sits next to jmcnaught and thinks surely this person read the manual |
| 23:51.16 | cluelessperson | SilverWhitefish, ? |
| 23:52.17 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: does your flask application do any logging? why not run it with mod_wsgi or gunicorn or something like that? |
| 23:52.51 | jmcnaught | AirPlanes: which upgrade failed? what way did it fail? |
| 23:53.04 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, it's meant as a test. I start one thread that reloads an image variable from a device, and another thread that runs flask, spawning children for clients to read the image |
| 23:53.05 | AirPlanes | well after selected DE |
| 23:53.07 | AirPlanes | I selected all |
| 23:53.11 | AirPlanes | im downloading it again |
| 23:53.17 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, I have it log to a file, and it ends eventually |
| 23:53.21 | cluelessperson | no output |
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| 23:54.26 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: instead of running it in the background and using nohup, maybe leaving it running in the foreground and run it with screen. maybe you'll get a nice stack trace or something |
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| 23:55.14 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, "./HTTP_Server.py" > allout.txt 2>&1 & |
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| 23:56.22 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: if it's in the foreground you can also get the return code with echo $? after it exits which might give a clue |
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| 23:57.04 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, I'm running it on a remote machine with an unstable network |
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| 23:57.20 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, and that command I just pasted would capture errorout |
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| 23:57.58 | jmcnaught | cluelessperson: yes it would. i don't know how to get the exit code from a process that was running in the background though. |
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| 23:59.35 | cluelessperson | jmcnaught, http://hastebin.com/jaruvoxugu.py |
