| 00:00.05 | TomTomTo1 | stability is not something you will get out of this. i've tried it a few day ago. it likes to crash. |
| 00:00.24 | sm00th | TomTomTosch: you talking to me? |
| 00:00.52 | TomTomTosch | yes. plasma 5.6 didn't seem very stable to me. |
| 00:01.21 | sm00th | oh, ya i have problem right now on manjaro with random screen flickers sometimes using prop drivers. especialy with fullscreen video in vlc |
| 00:01.25 | debzd | when i used kde some 10 yrs ago i was the big bundle of c++-amped bugware it was and i bet it still is |
| 00:01.34 | sm00th | debzd: haha |
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| 00:01.42 | sm00th | debzd: now its qt5 bugware |
| 00:02.04 | sm00th | missing so many optionst hat used to be in kde |
| 00:02.37 | sm00th | kde now knows what you want and whats good for you better then you do yourself it seems lol |
| 00:03.29 | debzd | sm00th: maybe a necessary step in the evolution of any piece of technology b4 reaching a certain lvl of maturity |
| 00:03.36 | TomTomTosch | sm00th: btw, sid: 4:5.6.5-1 means version 5.6 the 4: in front is the debian specific epoch. |
| 00:03.48 | sm00th | debzd: ya linux is turning into windows now. |
| 00:03.55 | sm00th | TomTomTosch: ah ok tks |
| 00:04.17 | sm00th | TomTomTosch: I'm curious to give it a try cause I'd rather use debian then manjaro. since i have some software made for debian, and debian support apparmor and such. |
| 00:04.23 | Velveeta_Chef | An good guides for transitioning from Ubuntu to Debian? |
| 00:04.29 | sm00th | and I can encrypt my partitions lol |
| 00:05.25 | debzd | Velveeta_Chef: i doubt there are any since the 2 share a substantial common, like that of human and chimp dna |
| 00:06.42 | sm00th | Velveeta_Chef: its basiaclly same thing. You just can't use ppa's. |
| 00:07.58 | TomTomTosch | Velveeta_Chef: the debian faq is a good place to start. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ |
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| 00:08.46 | Velveeta_Chef | thanks |
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| 00:21.30 | jane_doe | It appears that I am now downloading updates from the mirror sites... |
| 00:21.45 | jane_doe | Once that finishes I'll try installing keepassx again. |
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| 00:24.31 | Neville | I am trying to calibrate monitors and would like to install a color profile under xfce desktop & Dedian. I can't find any tutorials under Debian; everything is Ubuntu and Gnome Color Manager related. |
| 00:24.41 | Neville | displayCal returns this message under Debian 8.4: colord: The profile has been imported. You may need to manually assign and activate under "Color" system setting. |
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| 00:34.26 | Psi-Jack | I still have this annoying issue. I installed Debian 8.5.0 netinstall minimal to a new system. I setup the network with bridge-utils for intended use of virtualization. Then I install the Proxmox VE repository and install Proxmox. The "networking.service" stops running at boot there-after and I have to run it manually at every boot up, before the network comes up. |
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| 00:34.59 | markybob | !proxmox |
| 00:34.59 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 00:35.39 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, but this is more-so a Debian-specific level issue. |
| 00:35.55 | markybob | no. frankendebian like that isn't supported |
| 00:36.06 | markybob | !tell Psi-Jack about frankendebian |
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| 00:38.54 | Psi-Jack | Okay, In Debian, how do I show which packages were installed from which repos? |
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| 00:46.05 | jmcnaught | Psi-Jack: dpkg has a factoid "which repo" that has a couple way of doing that |
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| 00:49.38 | jane_doe | mayhew, I finally got keepassx installed. Thanks! |
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| 00:52.26 | maddawg2 | wtf... |
| 00:52.32 | maddawg2 | i think my mirror is broken |
| 00:52.44 | maddawg2 | anyone use csail.mit.edu? |
| 00:53.03 | maddawg2 | or better yet how can i change my mirror to one that doesnt suck |
| 00:54.43 | jane_doe | Actually I think I just learned this. |
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| 00:55.20 | jane_doe | Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 00:55.34 | jmcnaught | !httpredir |
| 00:55.34 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main". See http://httpredir.debian.org/ for more information. The redirector uses HTTP 302 redirects not DNS to serve content so is safe to use with Google DNS. See also <which httpredir.debian.org>. This service is identical to http.debian.net. |
| 00:56.23 | jmcnaught | some people have issues with httpredir (usually temporary) but for most it works really well |
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| 01:00.22 | maddawg2 | i mean i woould have thought mit would be closest to me... i'm literally 1 block away from their main building |
| 01:00.24 | maddawg2 | lol |
| 01:00.43 | maddawg2 | oh and interestingly it points back to that |
| 01:00.49 | maddawg2 | lame |
| 01:00.56 | maddawg2 | it's the one that ain't working |
| 01:01.39 | jane_doe | I put mirrors.kernel.org in mine. |
| 01:01.52 | TomTomTosch | it points back to that after you did the apt-get update? |
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| 01:02.57 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm, well, dangit.. I see nothing that pve would install that would interrupt networking.service itself from starting. Grr. sigh. |
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| 01:03.15 | maddawg2 | yes TomTom |
| 01:03.29 | maddawg2 | it keeps trying to do an update and that's what it'slooking for and fails to resolv it |
| 01:03.46 | maddawg2 | i thought it was my dns cuz i was having issues resolving a bit ago |
| 01:03.55 | maddawg2 | but everything else resolves for me |
| 01:03.58 | maddawg2 | like google.com |
| 01:04.08 | maddawg2 | my personal website |
| 01:04.19 | maddawg2 | and i can g et to yahoo.com in a browser |
| 01:04.23 | maddawg2 | and ping yahoo |
| 01:04.27 | maddawg2 | so i think my dns is fine |
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| 01:05.14 | jane_doe | Question: How do I launch gnupg2 on debian 8? |
| 01:05.14 | TomTomTosch | then pick a different mirror... https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 01:05.31 | mutante | jane_doe: type gpg2 |
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| 01:05.43 | awal1 | how to make find search in ?exit |
| 01:05.53 | awal1 | how to make find search in / |
| 01:06.10 | mutante | awal1: find / |
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| 01:06.32 | TrivialGravitas | How is installing via wireless these days? |
| 01:06.57 | jane_doe | mutante, when I do that it says "Go ahead and type your message" |
| 01:07.02 | awal1 | mutante, fine, thanks :P |
| 01:07.05 | jane_doe | I am trying to launch the GUI. |
| 01:07.30 | jane_doe | On ubuntu I did apt-get install gnupg2 and it put a short to it on my desktop. |
| 01:07.47 | jane_doe | But I can't figure how to use the GUI with debian. |
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| 01:07.55 | mutante | jane_doe: yup, so it runs. i am not sure if there is a GUI, i never used one. just a few commands on the terminal |
| 01:08.12 | mutante | jane_doe: do you mean a plugin for Thunderbird or so? |
| 01:08.17 | awal1 | mutante, I think with find / . | grep something, find searchs for / |
| 01:09.07 | mutante | jane_doe: oh, i see. maybe it's seahorse |
| 01:09.10 | awal1 | i mean find stuff in root dirs |
| 01:09.22 | mutante | jane_doe: type "seahorse" |
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| 01:10.26 | mutante | awal1: what do you want to do? |
| 01:11.36 | awal1 | mutante, trying to find stuff of xfce but find . | grep xfce only checks in /home |
| 01:12.07 | awal1 | wanted to scan the whole system, usr, etc and so |
| 01:12.28 | jane_doe | mutante, I typed seahorse, but that is not the program I am familiar with. The one I was using on ubuntu had more features like you could encrypt and sign files from the GUI. |
| 01:12.45 | mutante | awal1: do you mean grep inside the files or in the file names |
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| 01:13.22 | TomTomTosch | awal1: find / -name 'somename.txt' for example |
| 01:15.06 | mutante | jane_doe: try this: " apt-cache search gnu privacy guard " you will see a couple packages that are related |
| 01:15.18 | awal1 | mutante, TomTomTosch, I'm just lost with find all the time. if I run find . | grep xfce or find -name xfce, find only shows results found in /home. but if I run find . | grep qemu or find -name qemu also it show configs and dirs in /usr/share, /etc and so |
| 01:15.34 | mutante | jane_doe: does that sound familiar at all? |
| 01:15.47 | awal1 | but if i browse manually usr share, etc , var ofcourse I find xfce stuff |
| 01:15.58 | jane_doe | Hmm I'll try that thanks. |
| 01:16.37 | markybob | awal1: . in that case means "current dir" that's why TomTomTosch told you to use / instead of . |
| 01:17.18 | jane_doe | Oh yeah that showed a lot...I'll just have to figure out which is the one I'm used to. |
| 01:17.21 | mutante | jane_doe: did you have Gnome on Ubuntu or was it maybe Kubuntu with KDE? |
| 01:17.47 | jane_doe | I had mate |
| 01:17.54 | mutante | in that case, there is that kpgp GUI, but you'd probably have to also install a bunch of KDE libs |
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| 01:18.02 | mutante | eh, kgpg |
| 01:18.25 | mutante | do you want this for email? |
| 01:18.43 | jane_doe | Hmm this one on ubuntu according to the about screen is GPA 0.9.7 |
| 01:18.45 | mutante | you might like "enigmail" plugin for Thunderbird/Icedove |
| 01:18.56 | mutante | it handles it quite nice and is inside the mail gui then |
| 01:19.09 | jane_doe | And it also says GnuPG 2.0.23 |
| 01:19.31 | mutante | ah, ok, apt-get install gpa |
| 01:19.32 | mutante | try it |
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| 01:20.09 | jane_doe | Ok, trying that. |
| 01:20.20 | mutante | then just type "gpa". yep, just did here. that shoudl be it |
| 01:20.39 | mutante | i see all my existing keys i had imported without gui |
| 01:21.01 | awal1 | markybob, yeah I understood that but in that case find not only lists xfce4 stuff also it lists openbox stuff, firefox and linux stuff for example |
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| 01:21.21 | mutante | awal1: how do you define what is xfce stuff? |
| 01:21.57 | awal1 | amost looking for configs |
| 01:21.59 | jane_doe | Yeah, that worked. It installed. |
| 01:23.08 | jane_doe | Tried to launch it. It's definitely the right program, but I get an error: |
| 01:23.17 | jane_doe | Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" |
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| 01:24.16 | mutante | jane_doe: somehow i already got that package with gnome. you can try installing it. apt-get install libcanberra-gtk-module:i386 |
| 01:24.25 | mutante | jane_doe: it seems this is just for it to be able to play sounds |
| 01:24.40 | mutante | well, the i386 part might be different |
| 01:25.17 | mutante | but searching for "libcanberra-gtk-module" like before and you should find it |
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| 01:28.40 | jane_doe | Yeah, that fixed that error message. Now I'm getting another error but I'll search for it. |
| 01:29.33 | ZeuxBlack | is back from: $null - was away for: 2427wks 29mins 17secs |
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| 01:32.01 | TomTomTosch | someone initiated their timestamp with 0... |
| 01:32.10 | jane_doe | Yes!!!! It's all working now! |
| 01:32.14 | jane_doe | Thanks mutante! |
| 01:32.20 | awal1 | mutante, http://paste.debian.net/778161 |
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| 01:34.14 | mutante | jane_doe: :) welcome |
| 01:34.21 | thorie | hi, im upgrading squeeze to wheezy and i got an error on dist-upgrade ... Errors were encountered while processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libav-tools_6%3a0.8.17-2+deb7u2_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) -- Any idea how to fix this? |
| 01:35.06 | mutante | awal1: yea, so that is just checking in file names |
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| 01:37.02 | awal1 | mutante, my basic idea is find all dirs&files containing xfce4 naming |
| 01:37.09 | trysten | how do i get blkid on jessie |
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| 01:37.58 | mutante | awal1: well, you seem to have solved it. you need to run as root and find / | grep is the way |
| 01:38.08 | awal1 | trysten, blkid is already in your system |
| 01:38.15 | awal1 | needs root access |
| 01:38.20 | trysten | thanks -.- |
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| 01:39.28 | jmcnaught | trysten: blkid doesn't need root access, but it's in /sbin which is not part of a normal user's path. "/sbin/blkid" should work |
| 01:39.45 | trysten | sure enough |
| 01:40.10 | trysten | run as a normal user, it takes to time at all. run as root it seems to requery every block |
| 01:40.15 | trysten | (device) |
| 01:40.17 | awal1 | mutante, just partially, I run xfce DE and find should list more . but anyway, I give up whith find in this case; I go with mlocate :P |
| 01:41.14 | mutante | awal1: just dont forget to update the db |
| 01:41.17 | awal1 | jmcnaught, good to know :) I always executed it as root |
| 01:41.23 | mutante | awal1: it will be faster to search though |
| 01:41.41 | awal1 | mutante, sees yeah :P |
| 01:41.45 | awal1 | seems ^ |
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| 01:42.00 | jmcnaught | awal1: you're trying to find where xfce4's files are? have you run "dpkg -S xfce4" to see files from packages? |
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| 01:43.16 | awal1 | jmcnaught, good, dpkg does a better job. thanks |
| 01:43.26 | awal1 | I dont thought in it |
| 01:44.23 | awal1 | so giving up with both & mlocate. viva dpkg :P :D |
| 01:44.25 | jmcnaught | awal1: "dpkg --status packagename" will (among other things) list conffiles for a package |
| 01:44.48 | awal1 | jmcnaught, ok. thanks |
| 01:45.00 | jmcnaught | awal1: you know about conffiles? |
| 01:45.13 | awal1 | what you mean exactly? |
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| 01:46.14 | jmcnaught | awal1: with Debian packages conffiles are files that are provided by a package that you can edit. dpkg will detect changes and prompt you about them during upgrades, asking if you want the new version of the file from the package, or to keep your locally modified one |
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| 01:47.16 | jmcnaught | https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/21/debian-conffile-configuration-file-managed-by-dpkg/ |
| 01:47.50 | awal1 | jmcnaught, oh, ok. I got you know. I have a vague idea about that |
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| 01:48.03 | awal1 | was checking that exact link :P |
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| 01:51.18 | awal1 | jmcnaught, I'm trying to understand better xfce and fvwm |
| 01:52.04 | awal1 | so wanted to check closely/know/understand how pkg are executed at first time before user config |
| 01:52.35 | jmcnaught | awal1: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 01:53.23 | awal1 | when I run fvwm and xfce from where those WM's set the default configuration |
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| 01:55.35 | awal1 | I meant which config file is used for the first run/execution of xfce or fvwm , for example |
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| 01:55.51 | awal1 | or any oher pkg |
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| 01:58.57 | jmcnaught | awal1: i'm not sure about those two examples. some programs have defaults or system-wide stuff in /etc. Some probably copy example files from /usr/share (ones like this might look in /usr/local/share or ~/.local/share first) |
| 02:00.08 | jmcnaught | awal1: you can also put files in /etc/skel that will be put in user's $HOME when their account is created |
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| 02:01.58 | somiaj | awal1: read the man page for the program in question, it should explain its initilization practices (if it reads a config), which config files it reads and in what order/priority |
| 02:02.09 | awal1 | jmcnaught, yes, I checked /etc and the examples in /usr/locate/share... but no trace of the first defaults |
| 02:02.13 | somiaj | I know fvwm explains all this in the man page under the Initilization section. |
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| 02:03.29 | somiaj | hmm the man page for fvwm is slightly off, it says /usr/local/share/fvwm/config (or .fvwm2rc) on debian that will just be /usr/share |
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| 02:07.14 | awal1 | somiaj, I already looked there but I only found modules configs, not the WM per se |
| 02:07.24 | awal1 | same for xfce4 :) |
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| 02:14.06 | TomTomTosch | xfce stores the settings in xml somewhere. i don't think they are meant to be changed by hand. |
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| 02:14.29 | TomTomTosch | or what config are you talking about? |
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| 02:17.33 | awal1 | TomTomTosch, nvm right right now. dinner time, but thanks :P |
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| 03:07.35 | Akuw | i am logged in web hosting server, but i can't see distro name using cat /etc/*-release |
| 03:07.49 | Akuw | or using cat /etc/issue |
| 03:09.06 | somiaj | Akuw: you can try lsb_release -r |
| 03:09.21 | somiaj | or -a |
| 03:10.17 | jmcnaught | Akuw: or look at what's in sources.list |
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| 03:13.19 | Akuw | i guess they blocked all |
| 03:13.34 | Akuw | because can't do lsb_release neither |
| 03:13.51 | Akuw | and i can't find sources.list |
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| 03:14.14 | Akuw | many commands are disabled |
| 03:15.42 | tharkun | Akuw: uname -a |
| 03:16.14 | Akuw | nothing |
| 03:16.21 | Akuw | i test that first |
| 03:16.32 | tharkun | What is the output of that particular command? |
| 03:16.34 | dvs | they disabled uname? |
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| 03:16.49 | Akuw | sorry, uname -a ---> Linux cloud.8ssi.com 2.6.32-673.8.1.lve1.4.3.1.el6.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu May 5 16:06:47 EDT 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 03:17.15 | tharkun | So it is a custom kernel. |
| 03:17.23 | tharkun | which aptitude |
| 03:17.35 | jmcnaught | Akuw: is it a VPS or a shell account on a shared hosting server? |
| 03:17.49 | tharkun | votes for the latter |
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| 03:18.30 | jmcnaught | yeah i think so too. it also looks like centos or rhel 6 |
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| 03:18.59 | tharkun | I vote for Centos |
| 03:19.29 | jmcnaught | tharkun: careful how you say that around here, people might get the wrong idea ;) |
| 03:19.38 | tharkun | Akuw: ls -Z should give you a particular flag at the beginning of the listing. Which one is it |
| 03:19.40 | dvs | !lart tharkun |
| 03:19.40 | dpkg | squeezes tharkun till tharkun turns blue like papa smurf |
| 03:20.01 | tharkun | jmcnaught: lol |
| 03:20.17 | tharkun | !slap dvs |
| 03:20.17 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across dvs's face |
| 03:21.42 | tharkun | jmcnaught: rhel and therefore centos have selinux enabled by default, that should give us a pretty decent picture of what is beeing runned there. |
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| 03:22.31 | jmcnaught | tharkun: that's a very good point. if it's not a centos system it's at least running inside a container on a centos system (or rhel depending on the price) |
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| 03:36.27 | hanasaki | does debian support compressed kernel modules? |
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| 03:41.11 | thorie | my dist-upgrade to wheezy keeps failing due to libav-tools ... what should i do? |
| 03:41.43 | up2late | rm -rf /* |
| 03:41.56 | thorie | ok let me try that |
| 03:41.57 | up2late | trollolol |
| 03:42.04 | up2late | no dont do that |
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| 03:46.12 | jmcnaught | up2late: not cool. Please never suggest destructive commands like that here. It's not funny. |
| 03:46.59 | jmcnaught | thorie: i hope you didn't follow up2late's suggestion. are you following the instructions in the wheezy release notes? can you show the error you get? |
| 03:47.06 | Slumlord_ | yeah that'll delete everything |
| 03:47.09 | Slumlord_ | don't do that |
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| 03:47.35 | lelo | well, not everything.. it will stop at /bin, deleting everything alphabetically before it |
| 03:47.54 | lelo | either way, we should never joke about destructive commands... |
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| 03:48.40 | jmcnaught | yeah it's a really crappy thing to joke about, and is something you can be banned from the channel for |
| 03:49.06 | awal1 | up2late, sorry but you're stupid |
| 03:50.29 | ryouma | thorie: you there? |
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| 03:50.52 | up2late | CTCP PING reply from thorie : 1.094 seconds |
| 03:50.54 | up2late | yes thes tehre |
| 03:51.58 | thorie | yeah |
| 03:52.05 | jmcnaught | up2late: i'd say that i hope you're prepared to help repair the damage but i don't think you are trustworthy enough to actually help. You should probably leave. |
| 03:52.12 | thorie | jmcnaught: i followed those instructions |
| 03:52.25 | jmcnaught | thorie: which instructions? |
| 03:52.26 | up2late | heard. |
| 03:52.38 | thorie | jmcnaught: and i think i fixed it, because the error went away when i did apt-get install -f libav-tools |
| 03:52.48 | up2late | see it helped lol |
| 03:52.50 | thorie | jmcnaught: the wheezy release notes |
| 03:52.56 | thorie | not up2late lol |
| 03:53.02 | up2late | im gonna go stick my head in a fire noe |
| 03:53.04 | ryouma | :) |
| 03:53.05 | up2late | *now |
| 03:53.11 | thorie | jmcnaught: how do i know when dist-upgrade is done? |
| 03:53.16 | ryouma | thorie: ^ |
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| 03:54.04 | jmcnaught | thorie: good :) you'll know that it's done when you're returned to a shell prompt. If you're following the instructions in the release notes you should be fine. If you get errors don't reboot, show the errors here |
| 03:54.54 | thorie | jmcnaught: should i reboot now? apt-get dist-upgrade says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. -- and back to prompt |
| 03:55.12 | thorie | jmcnaught: i want to install jessie now, since i'm done upgrading to wheezy |
| 03:55.31 | jmcnaught | thorie: what is the package not upgraded? what does dist-upgrade say? |
| 03:56.04 | jmcnaught | i mean, can you use http://paste.debian.net/ to show the full output? |
| 03:56.18 | thorie | http://paste.debian.net/778314/ |
| 03:56.58 | jmcnaught | thorie: can you do another paste for "apt-cache policy" ? |
| 03:57.20 | Strife89 | Evening folks. I just completed an upgrade from Jessie to testing on a new installation, and I'm now trying to install Steam. But by the looks of things, package "steam" currently doesn't exist in testing. What's going on? |
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| 03:57.45 | thorie | http://paste.debian.net/778315/ |
| 03:57.45 | jmcnaught | ,v steam |
| 03:57.46 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
| 03:58.28 | jmcnaught | ,v steam --arch i386 |
| 03:58.29 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.52-2 |
| 03:58.35 | kcirick | steam on non-free https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=steam&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 03:58.51 | thorie | jmcnaught: does that look good? |
| 03:59.01 | kcirick | judd beat me to it |
| 03:59.06 | jmcnaught | Strife89: you can check the package on https://tracker.debian.org/ to see why it has been removed from testing |
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| 04:00.00 | borei | hi all |
| 04:00.34 | Strife89 | jmcnaught: I guess it's failing to build for some reason. |
| 04:00.37 | jmcnaught | thorie: yeah that looks okay. Take a look at https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#for-next for stuff about removing obsolete packages.. ia32-libs isn't part of Debian anymore, this sort of thing is handled by the mult-arch feature |
| 04:00.38 | borei | i just started to look towards debian as an alternative to centos. |
| 04:01.01 | Strife89 | I'll lurk and just install it when/if it is returned to testing. Thanks! |
| 04:01.05 | borei | the reason is - centos dropped support for xen. |
| 04:01.32 | thorie | jmcnaught: cool thanks! |
| 04:01.50 | borei | i spent week trying to bring online centos 7 + ceph + xen - no luck |
| 04:02.06 | borei | i did it in 2 hours for ubuntu |
| 04:02.27 | awal1 | sometimes when I execute "exit" with mrxvt I get a message "Process exited normally with status 130. Press any key to close tab." That means? |
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| 04:02.50 | awal1 | it only happens with mrxvt |
| 04:02.55 | borei | wanted to ask - does debian support xen in the same way like ubuntu does (or maybe ubuntu support in the same way like debian) |
| 04:03.19 | borei | or there is also tendency to drop xen and switch to kvm ? |
| 04:03.47 | jmcnaught | borei: Debian supports xen and kvm |
| 04:04.00 | lelo | borei: I might be wrong here, but afaik xen and kvm support on debian are the same |
| 04:04.21 | lelo | borei: it's just that xen you will have to boot into a different kernel and you get to keep the same kernel on kvm |
| 04:04.35 | lelo | borei: that means you get to update your kernel more often on kvm than on xen |
| 04:04.39 | borei | that is fine |
| 04:04.59 | lelo | not so fine if you intend to use btrfs/zfs |
| 04:05.03 | lelo | =p |
| 04:05.11 | borei | xen is level 1, kvm is level 2. i'd like to keep level 1 |
| 04:05.44 | borei | my fs(es) will be ext4 and xfs |
| 04:06.37 | jmcnaught | Strife89: you could try installing it from unstable. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net would be a good place to ask about running a mix of testing and unstable |
| 04:06.37 | borei | as i mentioned above ceph is gonna be my main backend. filesystem for OS itself - i don't see that is very critical. |
| 04:06.47 | jmcnaught | ,v ceph |
| 04:06.48 | judd | Package: ceph on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.80.7-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.80.7-2+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 0.80.10-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.80.11-1; sid: 0.80.11-1; experimental: 0.94.5-1+b1 |
| 04:07.09 | borei | jmcnaught: ? |
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| 04:07.33 | lelo | borei: both kvm and xen have similar performances, level 1/2 does not matter that much on "modern" hardware anymore... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-1510-virt&num=5 |
| 04:07.40 | borei | judd: you can install it from ceph repo |
| 04:07.49 | jmcnaught | borei: jessie is the current stable release, so the versions in jessie and jessie-backports are your options for ceph |
| 04:07.53 | jmcnaught | (judd is a bot) |
| 04:08.10 | borei | :-) |
| 04:09.07 | jmcnaught | borei: on Debian there are lots of reasons to avoid third party repos as much as possible. Sometimes it's necessary, but any third-party repo can introduce problems during upgrades |
| 04:09.40 | borei | true, and it's valid for any distro |
| 04:09.53 | lelo | jmcnaught: I guess this is aplicable for most distros, even arch :-) |
| 04:09.58 | lelo | yeah |
| 04:10.04 | jmcnaught | fortunately Debian comes with quite a lot of packages |
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| 04:10.29 | Strife89 | jmcnaught: Thanks, but I may just wait it out. I can play my games on my Mint partition in the meantime, should I want to. |
| 04:10.30 | lelo | yes, soon to be way easier to get packages on snapd :-) |
| 04:10.42 | borei | current version of ceph is 10.2, stock one is 0.8, there are 2-3 years between them |
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| 04:12.04 | borei | that factor also bothered me with centos - what is the pros to have 10 support for kernel 2.6 when 4.6 already released. |
| 04:12.09 | jmcnaught | borei: Debian releases freeze. The current stable release froze in late 2014. Once a release is frozen package versions don't get updated, only bug and security fixes |
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| 04:12.59 | jmcnaught | (with some exceptions like web browsers, or if a security fix cannot be backported like happened recently with samba |
| 04:13.03 | borei | hmm, i though 8.x was released in 2015 |
| 04:13.26 | somiaj | (some security updates do require a version update, outside of the webbrowsers this is really rare (samba had a version bump)) |
| 04:13.52 | omgoatse | 8.5 aactually just came out last month |
| 04:13.52 | somiaj | borei: it freezes about 6 months before it is released (that it is the time it takes to fix all the bugs, though I think jessie was agressive enough to be done in about 4 months) |
| 04:13.54 | omgoatse | -a |
| 04:14.17 | borei | icic |
| 04:14.57 | somiaj | borei: well fix what is called release critical bugs, debian is not bug free, but most release critical bugs are fixed or packages are removed (there are of course exceptions when dealing with 20,0000+ packages) |
| 04:18.40 | klys | is the following command supposed to give me a login prompt: # getty 38400 /dev/tty9 & |
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| 04:21.34 | jmcnaught | klys: use systemctl start getty@tty9.service |
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| 04:24.07 | jmcnaught | klys: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html more info here if you want. |
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| 04:56.31 | klys | jmcnaught, running in chroot, ignoring request. |
| 04:57.42 | jmcnaught | klys: what are you trying to do? run a chroot on a tty? |
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| 05:27.46 | kion | according to this page https://packages.debian.org/testing/games/chessx the backports version of chessx is 1.4 but If I do sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install chessx I get version 1.2. What am I doing wrong? |
| 05:28.34 | jmcnaught | kion: that is the page for the testing version of the package |
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| 05:28.39 | jmcnaught | ,v chessx |
| 05:28.40 | judd | Package: chessx on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2.2-1; sid: 1.4.0-1; stretch: 1.4.0-1 |
| 05:28.55 | jmcnaught | kion: not everything from testing is in jessie-backports |
| 05:29.27 | jmcnaught | you could try to backport it yourself if it's really important |
| 05:29.33 | kion | jmcnaught, Ohh I thought backports = testing !!! can you explain me |
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| 05:30.02 | jmcnaught | kion: there's a description of backports here: https://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 05:30.15 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport chessx |
| 05:30.17 | judd | Backporting package chessx in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 05:30.20 | kion | jmcnaught, I would love to port it, where do I start? |
| 05:30.28 | jmcnaught | !ssb |
| 05:30.28 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 05:30.56 | jmcnaught | kion: see the message from dpkg, or https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation for another method |
| 05:31.18 | jmcnaught | make sure that you only add a deb-src line for unstable, not a deb line. |
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| 05:33.18 | jmcnaught | kion: keep in mind that when you manually backport a package like this, you will need to repeat the steps each time there's a new version, and not everything can be backported |
| 05:33.19 | kion | jmcnaught, thanks |
| 05:34.24 | kion | jmcnaught, this might sound stupid but: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid. How and where do I add this? |
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| 05:35.41 | jmcnaught | kion: in /etc/apt/sources.list or a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, but if this is difficult for you then you should consider reading up on Debian package management fundamentals first in either the debian-handbook or debian-reference |
| 05:36.27 | kion | jmcnaught, that is what I thought but I guess I will study the references first, thanks |
| 05:37.16 | jmcnaught | kion: both debian-handbook and debian-reference are available as packages or at https://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 05:37.41 | kion | jmcnaught, thank you so much |
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| 07:21.16 | micw | hi |
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| 07:24.55 | micw | tzdata and tzdata-java 2016e are both from jessie-updates |
| 07:25.02 | micw | for some reason i gont one but not the other |
| 07:25.49 | micw | ah, I have a glue. the machine was a pre-installed image. probably that one had jessie-updates enabled before I applied my provisionin scripts ^^ |
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| 08:32.06 | BW^- | on Debian, can I use "pkgconf --libs" to get "-l" arguments for linking in all Boost libraries?? |
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| 08:43.43 | jelly | BW^-: boost dev packages do not seem to use pkg-config at all, but you can install libboost-all-dev and try it for yourself |
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| 08:45.13 | BW^- | aha |
| 08:45.16 | BW^- | hm |
| 08:45.25 | Iridos | any idea where the backgroud logo for jessie is? |
| 08:45.32 | BW^- | jelly: do you have any idea of how I can link in Boost "safely" on my g++ command line? |
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| 08:49.04 | jelly | BW^-: not really, what do you mean by safely? |
| 08:49.10 | Iridos | ha. /usr/share/images/desktop-base/ |
| 08:50.42 | Iridos | good enough |
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| 08:54.54 | Iridos | it seems there is a problem running a composite manager when one has loaded an image with xloadimage... xcompmgr keeps echoing errors, and compton freezes |
| 08:55.09 | Iridos | also seems the debian background is loaded with it |
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| 08:56.42 | bumbar_ | how can i get autocompletion to work for apt (works for apt-get, but not apt) |
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| 08:59.32 | anton02 | humans only get to experience about 50 winters on average while their brains are fully developed |
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| 09:01.51 | towo^work | bumbar_, install bash-completion from testing |
| 09:02.37 | gcbirzan | How does apt-get decide when to use IPv6? I only have link local IPs on my machine, but it still tries to go over IPv6 for my local mirror |
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| 09:06.11 | gcbirzan | Ironically, it stopped doing it now. |
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| 09:08.51 | jelly | gcbirzan: if you figure it out let us know |
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| 09:13.34 | Iridos | doesn't the kernel do that via routing tables? |
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| 09:13.57 | Iridos | or rather... depends what DNS returns |
| 09:14.42 | Iridos | try "host security.debian.org" |
| 09:15.04 | Iridos | and you get ipv4 and ipv6 addresses |
| 09:15.36 | Iridos | for ftp.de.debian.org I only get one ipv4 address, though |
| 09:16.01 | jelly | ideally the resolver library should know better than return unroutable results, else the application itself has to decide what to do |
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| 09:16.04 | Iridos | and for ftp.uk.debian.org one ipv4, one ipv6 |
| 09:16.21 | Iridos | but ipv6 is unroutable for me |
| 09:16.52 | Iridos | but I haven't got ipv6 disabled locally |
| 09:16.58 | jelly | Iridos: don't think the "host" command behaves the same way as gethostbyname() |
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| 09:17.57 | Iridos | yeah, it doesn't... for one it ignores /etc/hosts |
| 09:17.57 | jelly | getent hosts ... is closer. |
| 09:18.10 | Iridos | which is pretty ironic for a program called "host" |
| 09:18.29 | Iridos | err |
| 09:18.40 | Iridos | but getent hosts *only* returns ipv6 for me |
| 09:18.46 | Iridos | that's *not* closer |
| 09:18.56 | Iridos | getent hosts security.debian.org, that is |
| 09:19.18 | Iridos | that's a bit baffeling, though... I'd also have said it's closer |
| 09:19.57 | jelly | getent ahosts, then |
| 09:20.37 | Iridos | wazzat |
| 09:20.42 | Iridos | that gives ipv4 and ipv6 |
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| 09:21.29 | gcbirzan | It gives me only ipv6 |
| 09:22.16 | Iridos | seems the resolving of hosts is much more mysterious than we thought |
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| 09:22.23 | Iridos | at least since there are ipv6 addresses |
| 09:23.20 | Iridos | heh. 127.0.0.1 www.google-analytics.com # forwhatever good it may do or not do |
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| 09:30.43 | rdz | hi all. is there a way to install mariadb with a different datadir ? problem is as soon as i'm ready to set the configuration parameter, mariadb already uses /var/lib/mysql and i have to manually stop service, move data to new location, and start service |
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| 09:34.15 | petn-randall | Hi rdz, why is that a problem for you? |
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| 09:36.16 | rdz | petn-randall, because i'm trying to setup mariadb servers with ansible and i'd like to change the default value for datadir |
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| 09:37.10 | rdz | petn-randall, of course, i can make ansible do the steps that i'd manually do, but i consider it ugly... would rather have mariadb read the new config at first start |
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| 09:39.42 | petn-randall | rdz: I see. I think if you drop the appropriate config files there _before_ installing mariadb, they shouldn't be overwritten, and when mariadb gets started in postinst, it should use the correct datadir directly. |
| 09:40.00 | petn-randall | rdz: I don't have a machine to test, but maybe you can try it and report back if that worked for you. |
| 09:40.10 | Iridos | I wonder if that works |
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| 09:40.56 | Iridos | or if the "rC" status of packages is needed |
| 09:41.38 | rdz | petn-randall, you're absolutely right.. and it works.. many thanks! |
| 09:41.39 | Iridos | I guess you could also put a soft-link in place of /var/lib/mysql that points to the new location |
| 09:42.03 | rdz | there is no reason to put configuration files _after_ mariadb-server was installed ;-) |
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| 09:43.01 | Iridos | well, there would be if this was suse :P |
| 09:43.03 | google77 | hi guys |
| 09:43.04 | Iridos | and then make them immutable |
| 09:44.32 | rdz | Iridos, luckily it is Debian, I'd say |
| 09:44.39 | google77 | I am on testing and I would like to install full KDE just so I can use their software together with i3wm. The problem is KDE at its current state is unstable. Should I do it? I won't actually use KDE itself. |
| 09:44.57 | Iridos | (and maybe they learned... I'm still traumatized from using it ~1999 ) |
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| 09:50.53 | crazy-sex | hello |
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| 09:58.45 | your-mom | i'm a tool |
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| 10:02.08 | petn-randall | hi your-mom, do you have a support question? |
| 10:02.32 | your-mom | no, I'm here to keep an eye on you because I am your mom |
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| 10:03.22 | petn-randall | your-mom: That's surprising, since she died two months ago. |
| 10:03.32 | your-mom | LOL |
| 10:03.34 | your-mom | sorry |
| 10:03.38 | your-mom | thats not funny |
| 10:03.49 | your-mom | i meant LOL at me pretending to be her |
| 10:03.54 | your-mom | not at her passing away |
| 10:03.59 | your-mom | sorry for your loss |
| 10:04.34 | your-mom | but I do have a support question |
| 10:04.56 | your-mom | does Debian support steganography? i want to hide my porn inside my other porn |
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| 10:06.34 | petn-randall | your-mom: How far did you get with your own research? |
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| 10:07.13 | your-mom | petn-randall: well, as soon as I type anything with the word "porn" into google the first results are images. then i get distracted |
| 10:07.49 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 10:10.17 | MaBunny | lool |
| 10:10.35 | MaBunny | btw.... |
| 10:10.54 | MaBunny | anyone of you guys hav been having any trouble with your hexchat clients? |
| 10:11.07 | your-mom | MaBunny: No |
| 10:11.11 | your-mom | I dont use hexchat |
| 10:11.24 | MaBunny | mines not being able to make a secured conn to freenode for some reason |
| 10:11.30 | your-mom | i just use some shitty mobile client |
| 10:11.33 | your-mom | for the lulz |
| 10:11.37 | your-mom | and goatsex |
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| 10:11.57 | your-mom | vote for weev! make the GNAA great again! |
| 10:12.01 | MaBunny | your-mom: you seem to be a crazed fella to me...so i would ignore you |
| 10:12.08 | your-mom | MaBunny: no |
| 10:12.11 | your-mom | dont ignore me |
| 10:12.21 | your-mom | or the curse of the goatse shall be upon you! |
| 10:12.30 | petn-randall | !ops your-mom is obvious troll. |
| 10:12.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: your-mom is obvious troll. |
| 10:12.32 | MaBunny | well the situation is like this |
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| 10:12.38 | *** kick/#debian [your-mom!~babilen@unaffiliated/babilen] by babilen (you should know better) |
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| 10:13.00 | petn-randall | babilen: thanks |
| 10:13.10 | MaBunny | sometimes i CAN connect to freenode using a secured conn |
| 10:13.48 | MaBunny | but sometimes,like now....it doesnt connect and just stops |
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| 10:14.00 | petn-randall | MaBunny: Did you check the connection details? You need to use a different port to connect. |
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| 10:14.21 | MaBunny | like the latency just goes on increasing till 30 sec n then it says Conn reset by peer |
| 10:14.31 | goatse-security | i need help making a firewall exception |
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| 10:14.40 | MaBunny | no i just tried port 6697 but |
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| 10:15.05 | MaBunny | its happened to me b4 too...thought i speak to you guys about it |
| 10:15.32 | goatse-security | I need to open port 69 |
| 10:15.33 | MaBunny | earlier and now too i just let it rest for some hours....then i try to conn and |
| 10:15.38 | MaBunny | it connects |
| 10:16.19 | MaBunny | but when i lose the latency for like greater then 30 secs it is a nightmare really....especially the first time of the day |
| 10:16.26 | MaBunny | which was like today |
| 10:16.45 | goatse-security | the goat told me to try 69. |
| 10:16.47 | MaBunny | i am now speaking to you guys with a diff client,f-irc actually |
| 10:16.53 | petn-randall | !ops goatse-security |
| 10:16.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: goatse-security |
| 10:16.57 | goatse-security | how do I open port 69? |
| 10:17.02 | goatse-security | its for the goat |
| 10:17.14 | MaBunny | but its a PIA |
| 10:17.17 | goatse-security | petn-randall: what in gods name did you do? |
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| 10:17.33 | goatse-security | are you trying to flood the channel? |
| 10:17.33 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@116.ip-149-56-132.net] by babilen |
| 10:17.33 | *** kick/#debian [goatse-security!~babilen@unaffiliated/babilen] by babilen (you should know better) |
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| 10:17.37 | MaBunny | so here what i hav done to my hexchat |
| 10:17.56 | MaBunny | i hav included some chans in the auto-join list for freenode |
| 10:18.30 | MaBunny | plus some changes in preferences and the settings panel,idk i dont remember |
| 10:19.08 | MaBunny | i hav also set SSL for all servers on this network |
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| 10:19.24 | MaBunny | any ideas guys |
| 10:20.28 | Rephlexie | what does the server say? Click the freenode tab above the channels. |
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| 10:20.42 | MaBunny | ok |
| 10:21.31 | MaBunny | ill paste it online |
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| 10:22.16 | MaBunny | http://paste.debian.net/778948/ |
| 10:22.28 | MaBunny | heres the server tab contents |
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| 10:33.18 | Rephlexie | mine is similar but my hex client requests sasl (Goto Network list -> login method) |
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| 10:56.14 | jelly | MaBunny: that paste looks as if you've managed to connect successfully |
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| 11:16.14 | hiya | why is Intel 4400 graphics so sluggish with i5-4th gen laptop from Dell 3542 laptop? |
| 11:16.19 | hiya | is there anything I could do |
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| 11:25.48 | pflanze | I'm in the Debian rescue image, chrooted into my system on an external USB drive, and in the midst of creating LVM partitions on the internal drive of the computer, looking forward to copying over the files from external to internal. |
| 11:26.51 | pflanze | Somehow "lvcreate -n partname vgname -L 8G" hung, but after ctl-c "vgdisplay -v" would still show partname |
| 11:27.10 | pflanze | but there's no /dev/vgname/partname |
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| 11:27.39 | pflanze | so I'm trying "vgchange -a n vgname", which hangs, too. Ctl-c and "vgdisplay -v" will show it as inactive now. |
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| 11:27.59 | pflanze | "vgchange -a y vgname" would hang again... |
| 11:28.19 | pflanze | ctl-a and I still have no device files. ? |
| 11:29.47 | pflanze | Ahh, "/etc/init.d/udev start" solved it. |
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| 12:38.46 | saunamees | I want to reduce LDAP traffic between my web server and remote LDAP server, can LDAP client cache everything. What I assume is that LDAP Client is always working and can cache, but not sure if understanding LDAP right. |
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| 13:03.47 | Olof_szary | hello, Does anyone have expriance with debian + lustre? |
| 13:03.59 | Olof_szary | or other distributedFS |
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| 13:06.57 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 13:06.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:08.38 | chachasmooth | has anyone tried itunes on ubuntu with playonlinux ? |
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| 13:09.36 | Olof_szary | ok, Other way around. Is there a deb package for lustre system, or do I have to compile everything from the sources. Does standard debian kernel has a lustre support (client side)? |
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| 13:16.59 | petn-randall | chachasmooth: You'd have to ask the folks in #ubuntu, this is the Debian support channel. |
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| 13:18.54 | petn-randall | Olof_szary: the lustre kernel modules are there, but there are no user space tools packaged for lustre, AFAICS. |
| 13:19.26 | petn-randall | Olof_szary: You can check that through this web page: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 13:32.56 | Olof_szary | petn-randall: thanks. Do you know any 'client-out-of-box' distributed file systems on debian? |
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| 13:34.05 | Olof_szary | + if kernel modules are there, it should be enough to do mount -t lustre serverip:/resource /mnt/here? |
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| 13:41.18 | abrotman | Olof_szary: gfs? |
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| 13:48.23 | napnap | Hi all, I've a lot of pain to install debian from serial. Can you point me a good tutorial to do it ? (I use unetbootin to make the usb key) |
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| 13:51.13 | napnap | (not fro serial but with serial output) |
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| 13:54.22 | jhutchins | napnap: You're trying to get a serial console? |
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| 14:22.09 | napnap | jhutchins, I try to isntall it with serial output. I got the grub unetbootin menu, then I launch the install, after inirt I got three "?" and nothing more... |
| 14:23.35 | napnap | I modified some files like this http://askubuntu.com/questions/769756/ubuntu-server-usb-installation-with-installers-output-on-ttys0-serial-port |
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| 14:26.47 | jhutchins | napnap: I don't have any specific knowledge of your problem, but I think the first thing I would do is see if it actually works with Ubuntu. |
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| 14:29.37 | Ulrar | Hi, can I tell apt to skip configuring a package ? It seems to be stuck in configuring apache complaining about conflicting modules, I'd like to just stop that as I'll be importing my conf from somewhere else anyway |
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| 14:30.08 | m4rcu5 | I am trying to build an kernel package for an exynos5422 device, i can sucessfully compile one using make-kpkg, but i'd like to include the dts file (arch/arm/boot/dts/..) and some custom kernel post install scripts (creating the uInitrd). How would i approach this? |
| 14:30.13 | nkuttler | Ulrar: paste.debian.net the entire error |
| 14:30.58 | Ulrar | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/779169/ |
| 14:31.20 | Ulrar | I tried disabling the different mpms but it ends up saying mpm_event is enabled and conflicting even if it isn't even installed |
| 14:31.46 | nkuttler | Ulrar: a2dismod mpm_prefork ? |
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| 14:31.55 | Ulrar | I tried |
| 14:32.05 | Ulrar | It says mpm_event is conflicting if I do that |
| 14:32.10 | Ulrar | Which it is not |
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| 14:32.40 | nkuttler | Ulrar: that's odd. you should file a bug. you can fix this by editing /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2.postinst i guess |
| 14:32.49 | nkuttler | ,v apache2 |
| 14:32.50 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze15; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u1; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u4; stretch: 2.4.20-2; sid: 2.4.23-1 |
| 14:33.05 | Ulrar | What should I change in there ? |
| 14:33.27 | nkuttler | Ulrar: is the error generated there? |
| 14:33.40 | nkuttler | Ulrar: put set -x on the second line and run your command again |
| 14:33.49 | Ulrar | rm /var/lib/apache2/deferred_actions ? |
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| 14:33.54 | Ulrar | Looks like that's the problem |
| 14:34.08 | nkuttler | Ulrar: that doesn't really seem related |
| 14:34.41 | Ulrar | I really don't have the time for that .. might be quicker to deploy a new VM |
| 14:35.06 | Ulrar | With set -x it does output a lot of stuff |
| 14:35.06 | nkuttler | if you think that's faster, sure |
| 14:35.14 | nkuttler | Ulrar: yeah, paste the entire output |
| 14:35.37 | Ulrar | Well funny, it worked |
| 14:35.47 | nkuttler | yay randomness |
| 14:35.51 | Ulrar | Like set -x solved the problem, that's ridiculous |
| 14:35.53 | Ulrar | Well thanks anyway |
| 14:36.01 | nkuttler | that can't be, but good riddance |
| 14:36.13 | greycat | set -x is supposed to help you *find* the problem in a script, not fix it for you |
| 14:37.29 | Ulrar | Yeah it makes no sense |
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| 14:53.10 | jelly | hiya: you can try installing linux-image-amd64, xserver-xorg-video-intel and libgl1-mesa-dri from jessie-backports |
| 14:53.25 | jelly | dpkg, tell hiya about jessie-backports |
| 14:53.36 | jelly | hiya: assuming you're on debian 8 now |
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| 15:10.04 | mikejw_ | I seem to be having this issue.. any ideas of a quick workaround? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754218 |
| 15:10.05 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/754218 in ifupdown (closed): «boot hangs forever on LSB job "raise network interfaces"»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-07-08; last modified: 2015-01-28. |
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| 15:24.45 | dondelelcaro | mikejw_: in theory, that particular issue should have been fixed |
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| 15:30.31 | XeonSquared | Geniuses, how would I go about fixing something like this: |
| 15:30.33 | XeonSquared | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:38.34 | mikejw_ | dondelelcaro: apparently my dhcp is requesting an unlimited supply of IP addresses |
| 15:39.17 | greycat | Let me guess. It's another docker/ansible/puppet/VM thing. |
| 15:39.38 | greycat | "I'm spinning up 321473947298347932 VMs per millisecond and each one requests a DHCP IP and doesn't release it..."? |
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| 15:41.35 | jhutchins | mikejw_: What release, and what do you use to manage your networking? |
| 15:42.01 | mikejw_ | ifupdown |
| 15:42.37 | mikejw_ | wpasupplicant |
| 15:42.40 | mikejw_ | ? |
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| 15:44.16 | jhutchins | mikejw_: Which release? |
| 15:44.22 | mikejw_ | jessie |
| 15:45.22 | jhutchins | mikejw_: What do you do to get past that point at boot, and how are you determining that it's a dhcp issue? |
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| 15:48.15 | mikejw_ | jhutchins: I'd need to put you in touch with my IT department :P |
| 15:48.42 | greycat | What exactly did your IT representative tell you your system was doing? |
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| 15:49.07 | mikejw_ | continuing to request IP addresses until they all ran out |
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| 15:49.24 | mikejw_ | pretty classes :) |
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| 15:49.27 | mikejw_ | *classy |
| 15:50.21 | greycat | Are you doing something in a VM? Are you spoofing your MAC address so you appear to be a different client each time? |
| 15:50.33 | leba2 | Has anyone tried setting a samba4 active directory on debian? |
| 15:52.29 | mikejw_ | greycat: nope and nope |
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| 15:53.20 | greycat | Then the question becomes "why is the DHCP server not reusing your previous address", and you may have to work more closely with your IT representative for this. |
| 15:54.32 | mikejw_ | I've given them my mac address, hopefully that's all they need |
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| 16:00.03 | hiya | Which packages install Intel graphics drivers? |
| 16:00.07 | leba2 | Guess not... |
| 16:00.23 | greycat | xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 16:02.56 | g38 | hello. On my default install (of raspbian Jessie, but it should be the same as debian Jessie) I notice that the ntp service is enabled, but timedatectl reports that NTP is disabled. Is there any drawback if I disable the ntp service and issue "timedatectl set-ntp yes"? (I only want the date on my system to be set by ntp, I don't need to act as a server to other computers.) |
| 16:04.32 | jhutchins | g38: First, defaults like that are exactly the kind of thing that changes in debian derivatives. Second, you should probably read the docs for the timedatectl system so you understand which component is doing what. |
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| 16:05.13 | hiya | greycat, so if I install this package from backports I would have latest drivers? |
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| 16:06.01 | greycat | hiya: You'd have a newer driver. Not sure how close it is to "latest". |
| 16:06.19 | g38 | jhutchins, well, my understanding is that timedatectl controls the systemd time component (systemd-timesyncd.service), which is different from ntp.service, and I imagine that the point of the ntp service is to do more than just syncing the local clock; but then I am not sure and that's why I ask my question here... |
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| 16:07.02 | greycat | jessie doesn't actually *use* the systemd-time thing by default, does it? |
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| 16:07.27 | hiya | greycat, ok installed but how to activate it now? |
| 16:07.31 | greycat | reboot |
| 16:07.35 | greycat | then start X |
| 16:07.45 | g38 | greycat, yes, that's precisely my point -- is there any drawback if I disable ntp and use the systemd-time thing instead? (at least I can see one reason to do it: ntpd seems to listen on a number of ports, I'm not sure why) |
| 16:07.47 | greycat | (unless your X starts by itself, in which case, skip step 2) |
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| 16:08.48 | greycat | Does "You'll be using a wonky bleeding edge barely tested systemd piece of crap instead of a traditonal, well-tested, bloated but probably mostly debugged NTP server" count as a drawback? |
| 16:09.23 | g38 | at least that's a piece of information; I had no idea what it was |
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| 16:14.03 | jhutchins | g38: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/time |
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| 16:15.37 | jhutchins | g38: My current understanding is that NTP will keep your system clock more consistently accurate, while the systemd daemon will only adjust it at boot and shutdown. |
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| 16:18.03 | hiya | greycat, What all mesa packages should I install from backports if I want to upgrade mesa? |
| 16:19.28 | g38 | jhutchins, thanks, this page is useful, see also https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-timesyncd |
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| 16:20.08 | leba2 | Has anyone tried setting a samba4 active directory on debian? |
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| 16:23.43 | jhutchins | leba2: I'm sure somebody has. |
| 16:24.21 | leba2 | I'm having a very hard time trying to decide which kerberos package to use, if krb5 or heimdal... |
| 16:24.32 | hiya | I want to upgrade mesa |
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| 16:30.57 | jhutchins | hiya: You might start off with dpkg -l | grep mesa, then see which of those packages are available in backports. |
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| 16:32.48 | hiya | jhutchins, But when I try to upgrade it asks me to remove all the packages including nautilus |
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| 16:35.45 | hiya | Can anyone help me upgrade Mesa to backports version? I am scared since it is asking me to reinstall almost everything |
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| 16:38.03 | somiaj | hiya: can you explain what you did, and then maybe paste the output of all the packages it wants to upgrade and the commands you ran. |
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| 16:38.47 | somiaj | ,v mesa-utils |
| 16:38.48 | judd | Package: mesa-utils on amd64 -- squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; wheezy: 8.0.1-2+b3; jessie: 8.2.0-1; stretch: 8.3.0-1; sid: 8.3.0-1 |
| 16:38.56 | somiaj | ,v libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 16:38.58 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-glx on amd64 -- squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 11.1.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 11.2.2-1; sid: 11.2.2-1 |
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| 16:40.48 | somiaj | hiya: use paste.debian.net to paste the output |
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| 16:47.29 | agent_usa | Question: I am trying to verify the signature on the SHA256SUMS file for debian 8.5 but it says public key not found. Where do I find the key that was used to sign the file? |
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| 16:48.52 | greycat | sha256 is a hash function, not an asymmetric public key cipher |
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| 16:49.55 | agent_usa | I know. |
| 16:50.32 | agent_usa | user@host:~/Downloads$ gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign SHA256SUMS |
| 16:51.07 | agent_usa | I confirmed the sha256 hash in the SHA256SUMS file matches the sha256 hash of my iso file. |
| 16:51.07 | TomTomTosch | it should be in the same dir you found the iso in. |
| 16:51.38 | agent_usa | I get this: |
| 16:51.51 | agent_usa | gpg: Signature made Sun 05 Jun 2016 03:59:41 PM UTC |
| 16:51.51 | agent_usa | gpg: using RSA key 0xDA87E80D6294BE9B |
| 16:51.51 | agent_usa | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
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| 16:52.06 | greycat | so ask a key server for key 0xDA87E80D6294BE9B |
| 16:52.08 | agent_usa | So I need to get that key imported. |
| 16:52.22 | agent_usa | Ah I see. |
| 16:52.28 | agent_usa | Thanks. |
| 16:52.36 | TomTomTosch | or just install the debian keyring. |
| 16:52.52 | agent_usa | I did apt-get install debian-keyring |
| 16:53.03 | agent_usa | Do I need to do something after that? |
| 16:53.09 | agent_usa | To import the keys? |
| 16:53.19 | hiya | somiaj, I did not go anything yet I just upgraded the intel driver from BPO in Jessie and upon basic research I found that Mesa 10.3.2 is too old and we need that from BPO too, but when I try to do |
| 16:53.29 | hiya | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.49 | hiya | It asks me to remove gnome and install cinnamon and still there would be unresolved packages it says |
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| 16:56.15 | hiya | apt-get install -t jessie-backports xserver-xorg-video-intel is done but I don't know how to upgrade Mesa to 11+ |
| 16:56.16 | hexnewbie | hiya: Can you pastebin the output of that with the -V option added? |
| 16:56.32 | greycat | "remove gnome" if it's literal is nothing to be concerned about. "gnome" is a meta-package, just used to bring in other packages. |
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| 16:57.08 | greycat | But if it's actually "want to remove about 300 gnome packages", well, that's different. |
| 16:57.12 | hexnewbie | hiya: Also aptitude usually gives you a reason why it would do something, and offers you other optins. |
| 16:58.23 | hexnewbie | hiya: Your command doesn't want to remove anything for me (not even nautilus). Without a pastebin, my guess would be that the meta package conflicts with something, and aptitude is eager to remove everything that it depends on because... it's being aptitude. |
| 16:58.25 | leba2 | Does anyone know if debian 8 ships acl/xattr ready out of the box? |
| 16:58.28 | unborn | hiya: hello - why do you need to upgrade your working drivers of your 'mesa' ? did older drivers not working for you? |
| 16:58.47 | hiya | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/94006b92/ |
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| 16:59.00 | greycat | leba2: package "acl" is optional |
| 16:59.10 | hiya | Yes Intel guys says Intel 4400 would work awesome if I upgrade both Intel grapchis + Mesa to BPO versions |
| 16:59.31 | leba2 | greycat: I meant at file system and kernel levels |
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| 16:59.33 | hiya | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/94006b92/ |
| 16:59.37 | hiya | hexnewbie, ^ |
| 16:59.59 | hexnewbie | hiya: -V not -v. Also, what happens when you say no to the solutions you don't like? Also, what's the apt-get output? |
| 17:00.30 | hexnewbie | Though I guess 11.1.3-1~bpo8+1 is the answer to the -V question |
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| 17:00.50 | unborn | hiya: its same as I would say, if I pee daily on my head - it would stop loosing the hair... if old drivers working for you properly then dont do the 'fix' of something that is working.. |
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| 17:01.11 | hiya | unborn, not working good |
| 17:01.16 | hiya | sluggish performance |
| 17:01.21 | unborn | hiya: in what? |
| 17:01.22 | hiya | hexchat hangs |
| 17:01.29 | hiya | Firefox hangs |
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| 17:01.48 | leba2 | greycat: I meant at file system and kernel levels |
| 17:01.54 | hiya | When I try to click on Activities suddenly it freezes and that effect is so sluggish |
| 17:02.16 | greycat | leba2: I ... don't know why the kernel wouldn't be ready for the acl package, since the acl package is offered. |
| 17:02.23 | unborn | hiya: that is possibly due your brainless tweaks/hacks.. debian work perfectly with intel stuff.. I use it on all my machines |
| 17:02.33 | hiya | Althought upgrading to newer Intel driver has helped a bit, I just need to find a way to upgrade Mesa now |
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| 17:02.44 | unborn | as I said, dont fix what is working |
| 17:02.50 | hexnewbie | hiya: Is direct rendering active? When you run glxinfo / glxgears in a terminal, do you get any errors regarding, say, the dri devices? Or about missing direct rendering? Anything about missing firmware in dmesg? |
| 17:03.16 | hiya | hexnewbie, when I say no, it says same again |
| 17:03.30 | unborn | I just need to find a way to upgrade Mesa now - then speak to mesa |
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| 17:03.35 | awal1 | hiya, as jmcnaught told you check if all the needed pkgs are in backports. seems not regarding your paste |
| 17:03.40 | unborn | dont understand those people |
| 17:03.44 | kriminol | ALLAH IS THE ANSWER TO ALL LINUX PROBLEMS. RESPECT ALLAH AND ALLAH SEND NICE VIRGIN PUSSY TO UBUNTU! |
| 17:03.54 | hexnewbie | hiya: Even when you say no multiple times until you get exhausted (aptitude sucks that way)? Or when you use apt-get instead of aptitude (which usually suggest a better solution)? |
| 17:03.55 | kriminol | ALLAH IS THE ANSWER TO ALL LINUX PROBLEMS. RESPECT ALLAH AND ALLAH SEND NICE VIRGIN PUSSY TO UBUNTU! |
| 17:03.56 | hiya | unborn, but there is Mesa in BPO, but debian won't just let me install it |
| 17:03.59 | kriminol | ALLAH IS THE ANSWER TO ALL LINUX PROBLEMS. RESPECT ALLAH AND ALLAH SEND NICE VIRGIN PUSSY TO UBUNTU! |
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| 17:04.06 | greycat | too slow |
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| 17:04.15 | unborn | hiya: speak to mesa guys.. |
| 17:04.22 | unborn | they will tell you why |
| 17:04.34 | hiya | Who are they? |
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| 17:06.39 | awal1 | hiya, there are unmet deps, as aptitude told you. solve that backporting them yourself |
| 17:07.08 | teraflops | heh |
| 17:07.16 | hexnewbie | aptitude usually suggests an upgrade automatically when you pester it with a dozen of "no"s on the prompts |
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| 17:09.02 | hiya | What all packages to install |
| 17:09.09 | hiya | Also Mesa package is not working |
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| 17:09.32 | hiya | aptitude -t jessie-backports install mesa |
| 17:09.33 | leba2 | What do I need to do for filesystem (ext4) to support xattr? Just add line CONFIG_EXT4_FS_XATTR=y in /boot/config-*? Because it's not there in Debian 8 by default! Or do I need to install more packages? |
| 17:09.35 | hiya | not working :( |
| 17:10.16 | awal1 | teraflops, I dont understand why people complicates things. if aptitude/apt returns an output about unmet deps, so it's a dependencies issue. what can be done in that case so? procced with the installation and have a broken system or recompile/rebuild it all :P |
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| 17:10.26 | greycat | leba2: /boot/config-* are the READ ONLY files that TELL YOU what features the kernel was built with. Editing one would be pointless. |
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| 17:10.45 | greycat | wonders what the hell xattr is |
| 17:10.49 | somiaj | ,v libwaylend-egl1-mesa |
| 17:10.50 | judd | No package named 'libwaylend-egl1-mesa' was found in amd64. |
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| 17:10.53 | google77 | hi, is it possible to install libhunspell-1.3 in testing? |
| 17:10.59 | somiaj | ,v libwayland-egl1-mesa |
| 17:11.00 | judd | Package: libwayland-egl1-mesa on amd64 -- jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 11.1.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 11.2.2-1; sid: 11.2.2-1 |
| 17:11.14 | babilen | judd: v libhunspell-1.3 |
| 17:11.15 | judd | No package named 'libhunspell-1.3' was found in amd64. |
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| 17:11.31 | babilen | judd: v libhunspell-1.3-0 |
| 17:11.32 | judd | Package: libhunspell-1.3-0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.2-4; jessie: 1.3.3-3; sid: 1.3.4-2 |
| 17:12.03 | google77 | thx. |
| 17:12.04 | babilen | google77: Just pull it from sid (you should have it in your sources.list anyway, set the default release to "testing" or "stretch" depending on your setup) |
| 17:12.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell google77 -about tum |
| 17:12.20 | greycat | Whaaaattt?? |
| 17:12.26 | google77 | ok thx |
| 17:12.35 | teraflops | awal1: imo stay in stable, you want testing but have unmet deps in backports? 1) go upgrade to testing 2) you backport yourself what you need |
| 17:12.38 | babilen | google77: Also: testing and unstable are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:13.01 | google77 | sorry babilen |
| 17:13.32 | google77 | but it's kind of a bother to reconfigure irssi to use another server just for one room. |
| 17:13.45 | google77 | but I will remember for future reference |
| 17:13.53 | babilen | google77: Great (no worries) |
| 17:14.08 | greycat | irssi can connect to multiple servers simultaneously |
| 17:14.25 | google77 | It can? |
| 17:14.26 | leba2 | greycat: for a samba ad dc I need CONFIG_EXT4_FS_XATTR=y in /boot/config-`uname -a`, but it's not there! So that means Debian 8 simply *does not support xattr at all in its kernel*? |
| 17:14.31 | babilen | Oh, absolutely |
| 17:14.45 | greycat | I have no idea what an xattr is. Sorry. |
| 17:14.52 | awal1 | teraflops, exact, thats hiya case :P |
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| 17:14.58 | babilen | google77: https://irssi.org/documentation/startup/#how-support-for-multiple-servers-works-in-irssi |
| 17:15.09 | greycat | I get 6 lines of =y output from grep -i xattr /boot/config-3.16.0-4-amd64 but I don't know what they mean. |
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| 17:16.08 | hiya | awal1, teraflops I think I need new kernel |
| 17:16.26 | hiya | so I won't do the upgrade unless some qualified sys admin helps me |
| 17:16.32 | hiya | I know one I would wait for him to assist me |
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| 17:17.03 | jelly | qualified support starts from $80/hr :-) |
| 17:17.10 | leba2 | greycat: it means they literally kicked out xattr support for ext4 file system! |
| 17:17.28 | leba2 | I was putting heavy faith on debian, but Inow I got disappointed.... |
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| 17:17.45 | greycat | Are you sure that existed in 3.16 in the first place? "Kicked out" could really just be "did not add". |
| 17:17.54 | jelly | leba2: surely you meant /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 17:19.11 | jelly | leba2: I believe the option is not there, because the feature is mandatory now (you can't get ext4 without it) |
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| 17:20.07 | DeaDSouL_ | hi, how can I know the nfs version from terminal? |
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| 17:20.23 | greycat | The NFS version of what? A specific mount? |
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| 17:20.56 | DeaDSouL_ | the server |
| 17:21.12 | jelly | leba2: if you grep XATTR you will see other filesystem types with =y |
| 17:21.15 | greycat | Which NFS protocol versions are available on the server? If the server is Debian, then it supports up to NFSv4. |
| 17:21.38 | leba2 | jelly: https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Operating_system_requirements/File_system_support |
| 17:21.47 | DeaDSouL_ | greycat: but is there a command like `something --version` ? |
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| 17:22.04 | jelly | leba2: did you try using it? |
| 17:22.17 | greycat | DeaDSouL_: I don't know WHAT YOU WANT yet. I'm trying to figure it out. |
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| 17:23.23 | DeaDSouL_ | greycat: if I'm sharing a folder from this pc, using nfs ....... how can I know what nfs version I'm using to share that folder |
| 17:23.38 | hexnewbie | leba2: I get the user xattrs working on ext4 even without any XATTR options, or user_xattr mount options. |
| 17:23.44 | greycat | DeaDSouL_: go to the client and look at the vers= option in "mount" for this particular mount. |
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| 17:24.05 | greycat | E.g. imadev:/home/wooledg on /net/home/wooledg type nfs (rw,relatime,vers=3,rsize=327 ... |
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| 17:24.13 | greycat | In that example vers=3 |
| 17:24.14 | DeaDSouL_ | greycat: this is the problem... the client can *not* mount the shared folder |
| 17:24.19 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 17:24.21 | greycat | Fucking christ. |
| 17:24.25 | DeaDSouL_ | I'm trying to figure the reason |
| 17:24.39 | greycat | Then try various protocols by hand, starting with 3, then 2, then 4. |
| 17:24.43 | agent_usa | What's the syntax to use gpg to download a key from the debian key server? |
| 17:24.58 | greycat | gpg --recv-keys --keyserver something something |
| 17:25.04 | DeaDSouL_ | greycat: ok |
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| 17:25.22 | leba2 | jelly: "if you grep XATTR you will see other filesystem types with =y" <---- *Exactly*. All other filesystems listed, except ext4. |
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| 17:25.40 | greycat | leba2: Did you actually *try* it yet, or are you just whining about something that you *think* is missing? |
| 17:25.44 | agent_usa | thanks |
| 17:25.53 | _abc_ | How does one downgrade firefox 42 to iceweasel 38. It does not seem to be possible. On Wheezy. |
| 17:25.54 | jelly | leba2: did you try mounting an ext4 fs with xattr mount option? |
| 17:26.01 | hiya | jelly, yes but they help me for free :D |
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| 17:26.13 | _abc_ | I mistakenly upgraded it while updating other things and it is broken, does not work on my hardware |
| 17:26.23 | _abc_ | I am using aptitude. |
| 17:26.27 | greycat | _abc_: purge it. |
| 17:26.29 | leba2 | greycat: in my still short but NOT limited experience, whenever I have seen something missing means that *it's really not there*. |
| 17:26.43 | leba2 | *has meant |
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| 17:26.49 | greycat | 13:19 jelly> leba2: I believe the option is not there, because the feature is mandatory now (you can't get ext4 without it) |
| 17:26.53 | jelly | leba2: I'll wait here until you actually try it on debian 8 with a debian 8 kernel. |
| 17:27.02 | jelly | good luck. |
| 17:27.05 | _abc_ | greycat: I uninstalled it but how do I get the old one back? |
| 17:27.14 | hexnewbie | DeaDSouL_: rpcinfo -p <server> |
| 17:27.15 | greycat | _abc_: apt-get install iceweasel |
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| 17:27.30 | _abc_ | greycat: some dweebs replaced it with firefox 42 |
| 17:27.31 | jelly | _abc_: you'll probably have to pick it out from snapshot.debian.org |
| 17:27.37 | _abc_ | jelly: okay |
| 17:27.42 | jelly | _abc_: it's 45esr, not 42, but yeah |
| 17:27.48 | greycat | They replaced iceweasel in *wheezy*? Are you sure? |
| 17:27.55 | jelly | ,v iceweasel |
| 17:27.57 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie: 38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 45.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: |
| 17:27.57 | judd | 45.2.0esr-1; stretch: 45.2.0esr-1 |
| 17:28.14 | leba2 | jelly: I'm trying with a Debian 8.5 clean minimal installation (used amd64 DVD). |
| 17:28.24 | agent_usa | Is this the debian signing key? |
| 17:28.25 | agent_usa | DF9B 9C49 EAA9 2984 3258 9D76 DA87 E80D 6294 BE9B |
| 17:28.26 | leba2 | minimal=core |
| 17:28.33 | jelly | _abc_: it does look like 38esr is still available in wheezy repos. |
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| 17:29.10 | DeaDSouL_ | hexnewbie: thanks bro |
| 17:30.06 | _abc_ | Yes |
| 17:30.21 | _abc_ | What's the difference between ~deb8u1 and ~deb7u1 |
| 17:30.26 | _abc_ | 7 is wheezy 8 is the next one? |
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| 17:30.29 | jelly | agent_usa: https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
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| 17:31.40 | agent_usa | Yeah just wanted to make sure some sophisticated attacker wasn't doing a mitm attack on me to make me see the wrong key fingerprint. :) |
| 17:31.57 | jelly | agent_usa: if they can do that, they can also MITM your irc client. |
| 17:31.59 | leba2 | How can I know if xattr extended attributes are actually working in Debian 8 ext4? |
| 17:32.07 | greycat | By testing it. |
| 17:32.13 | jelly | leba2: try it and see |
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| 17:32.20 | agent_usa | True, jelly! So let's say only 90% sophisticated. |
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| 17:32.59 | jelly | leba2: install "attr" and play with them? |
| 17:33.29 | jelly | agent_usa: "yes that's the right key" *mwahahahahah* |
| 17:33.39 | leba2 | I've never ever heard about something called "attr", much less played with that |
| 17:33.57 | jelly | and yet you want to use extended attributes. |
| 17:34.04 | jelly | ,i attr |
| 17:34.05 | judd | Package attr (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: Utilities for manipulating filesystem extended attributes. Version: 1:2.4.47-2; Size: 41.8k; Installed: 119k; Homepage: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/attr/ |
| 17:34.08 | agent_usa | Someone was saying that if you really want to make sure of the correct fingerprint you should call several people on the phone in different countries and have them read off what they see. |
| 17:34.10 | hexnewbie | leba2: touch xattrtestfilefile; setfattr -n user.test -v test xattrtestfilefile; getfattr -d xattrtestfilefile; rm xattrtestfilefile |
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| 17:34.21 | awal1 | hiya, if you want to upgrade from jessie to stretch (stable » testing) people can assist you here too. the problem is not how but if the upgrade will be successful :P |
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| 17:34.49 | greycat | awal1: actually that's not supported here, although the bot can probably give the commands to do so |
| 17:35.00 | jelly | awal1: "people" are MUCH more likely to point them to #debian-next on irc.debian.org if they come with stretch questions |
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| 17:35.36 | awal1 | greycat, jelly, by here I meant debian channels in general :P |
| 17:35.57 | marijnfs | does anyone have the hp stream laptop working with tap-to-click? |
| 17:35.57 | jelly | sure, but debian channels in general are on OFTC in general |
| 17:36.32 | marijnfs | it used to work, but after update months ago it has stopped |
| 17:36.49 | leba2 | hexnewbie: and that should give me a 0 in echo $? ? |
| 17:37.25 | greycat | unfuckingbelievable |
| 17:37.45 | hexnewbie | leba2: getfattr should print the "user.test" extended attribute with a value of "test" |
| 17:37.48 | greycat | leba2: try reading the man pages for getfattr and so on |
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| 17:41.29 | leba2 | Got user.test="test" |
| 17:41.47 | leba2 | Thanks. |
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| 17:42.34 | leba2 | Still I cannot believe debian's ext4 includes xattrs now in an implicit way |
| 17:42.34 | awal1 | marijinfs, what happens if you run in terminal synclient TapButton1=1 |
| 17:42.46 | leba2 | I.e., no specific option in /boot/config-* |
| 17:43.09 | jelly | leba2: try a different distro, see if they have it. |
| 17:43.37 | leba2 | jelly: well, I remember debian7 did include that option, and I recently tried centos6, which also included. |
| 17:43.40 | greycat | leba2: You read a Samba wiki page last edited in 2015. It's probably just citing very old information that was once true. |
| 17:43.56 | leba2 | ^ Yes, right... |
| 17:43.59 | leba2 | You're right.... |
| 17:44.18 | TomTomTosch | debian7 and centos6 both use the same old kernel. |
| 17:44.37 | leba2 | ^ ..... OUCH |
| 17:44.46 | leba2 | Means I should check centos7! |
| 17:45.03 | leba2 | I hate big changes.... |
| 17:45.07 | leba2 | Realyl loathe them |
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| 17:45.24 | leba2 | They didn't have enough with just forcing systemd... |
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| 17:45.34 | jelly | leba2: what you remember, and what a recent kernel does and what CONFIG options it has may be very different |
| 17:45.57 | jelly | centos7 doesn't even give you a /boot/config* or /proc/kconfig.gz |
| 17:46.01 | leba2 | What a dark nasty age. |
| 17:46.28 | TomTomTosch | because some option is enabled by default? |
| 17:46.33 | jelly | let's focus on tech issues, do you have any other debian support question? |
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| 17:49.18 | jelly | http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=939da1084458246d2e29dd921c2012c177000e96 |
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| 17:52.57 | mktt | Hey everyone, I'm having an issue with unpacking linux-headers, i was wondering if you could possibly help me |
| 17:53.04 | mktt | its stuck on `Unpacking linux-headers-4.6.0-1-common (4.6.3-1) over (4.6.3-1)` |
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| 17:53.41 | mktt | I've already tried to clean apt-get, and install it from the .deb |
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| 17:54.34 | jelly | wait for it to finish, and in the meantime verify (dmesg) if you have any issues with the disk or whatever block device |
| 17:54.39 | jelly | also |
| 17:54.48 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 17:54.48 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:56.06 | leba2 | jelly: the commit is from 2012. Was it before new kernel used by debian8 was actualyl released? |
| 17:56.48 | jelly | I think I'll leave that for you to figure out |
| 17:57.02 | jelly | lazy |
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| 17:58.14 | leba2 | thanks |
| 17:58.19 | leba2 | (not sarcasm) |
| 17:58.24 | TomTomTosch | 3.16 is from around mid 2014 |
| 17:58.52 | hexnewbie | mktt: On one of my systems, I wait for 20 minutes for linux-headers to finish every time (zfs.ko compiling) |
| 17:59.21 | mktt | ah right, i just noticed it moved onto unpacking the next header package |
| 17:59.43 | mktt | maybe i'm just impatient ;) |
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| 18:02.02 | jelly | hexnewbie: but that's not at unpacking stage, that's way down after setting up |
| 18:02.33 | jelly | mktt: maybe your ssd is just slow |
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| 18:03.50 | mktt | im not using an SSD |
| 18:03.58 | mktt | im using 6 HDD's in RAID5 |
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| 18:05.25 | _abc_ | Okay that was hairy. |
| 18:05.51 | _abc_ | jelly: how do I PERMANENTLY pin iceweasel now that I installed it manually? I set 'h' in aptitude. Anything else? |
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| 18:05.57 | _abc_ | Other than disabling auto updates, |
| 18:06.08 | jelly | !hold |
| 18:06.08 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>. |
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| 18:06.13 | greycat | I don't see why you think there's any updates of it in wheezy. |
| 18:06.38 | greycat | wheezy isn't even supported as a regular release now; it's just got LTS security volunteer support. |
| 18:07.18 | jelly | unlike the debian security team volunteer support. |
| 18:07.18 | tharkun | !wheezy |
| 18:07.19 | dpkg | Wheezy is the current <oldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 ; security support ended on 2016-04-25, but ask me about <wheezy-lts>. Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Final update <7.11>. |
| 18:07.24 | hexnewbie | greycat: wheezy even got firefox-esr before jessie did |
| 18:07.54 | leba2 | Ouch, I thought debian8 installed by default as lvm. |
| 18:08.16 | greycat | Hmm. Why is judd showing TWO DIFFERENT versions of iceweasel both with the label "wheezy-security"? |
| 18:08.16 | jelly | greycat: in fact, LTS people have a budget and get paid for some of their work. |
| 18:09.06 | greycat | It's really confusing when you read "wheezy-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1" and assume user error... |
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| 18:11.37 | mktt | turns out i am impatient |
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| 18:13.54 | _abc_ | jelly: dpkg says 'iceweasel_38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1_amd64' is an illegal package name, because of '~' when requesting hold |
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| 18:14.14 | greycat | well, that's true -- it's not a package name |
| 18:14.19 | _abc_ | ugg |
| 18:14.21 | greycat | the package name is "iceweasel" |
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| 18:14.28 | jelly | _abc_: the package name is just icewe... eh |
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| 18:14.55 | _abc_ | okay. That worked. Fingers crossed. |
| 18:15.03 | TomTomTosch | you specify the version with =<version> after the package name. |
| 18:15.07 | jelly | you're telling dpkg "whatever's present of this package name, don't touch it any more" |
| 18:15.14 | greycat | Still don't know why judd shows two different versions, but I'm betting it's the same reason "apt-cache show iceaweasel" on a wheezy box is showing the same two versions. |
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| 18:15.24 | _abc_ | Although that is just a placeholder name from what I read |
| 18:15.39 | jelly | greycat: because there really are two different versions in the security repo |
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| 18:15.45 | _abc_ | TomTomTosch: So I can pin the version too? |
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| 18:15.59 | TomTomTosch | oh, nvm what i said. i missed the part about hold. |
| 18:16.00 | fennesz | Hello ! I am trying to understand file descriptors . I can understand the concept of stdin stdout stderr , but don't really understand the "file" descriptor part. Why file? |
| 18:16.20 | varaindemian | is there a jwm edition of debian? |
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| 18:16.50 | jelly | greycat: lts stuff for wheezy is uploaded to security.d.o unlike squeeze lts. Probably a mess-up from the hand over. |
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| 18:17.33 | _abc_ | Looks like it's sorted now. Sigh. |
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| 18:17.37 | TomTomTosch | apt-cache policy iceweasel shows two versions on jessie too. |
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| 18:19.58 | leba2 | By any chance, do you know if a mit kerberos client can interact with a heimdal kerberos server or kdc with no problems? |
| 18:21.24 | mtn | varaindemian: debian does not come in editions. you can install whatever de or apps you want to |
| 18:21.49 | _abc_ | This firefox 42 killing iceweasel 38 is due to the forced switch to ff |
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| 18:22.18 | greycat | Wonder if it's worth trying to find out who to report a wishlist bug against judd to. |
| 18:22.18 | _abc_ | Forced switches for windows users I can understand. For linux, NEVER. |
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| 18:23.27 | _abc_ | Seriously, I was in the middle of getting some packages and building from source, the stupid browser updated on me, removed all my add ons, landed me on the usual adware crap sites and then crashed since it uses some visual features which crash here. Images mirrored 1000 times filled the screen |
| 18:23.37 | _abc_ | Spent 2 hours reverting out of it. |
| 18:23.51 | _abc_ | Thanks for the help, it looks stable now, getting on with my work. |
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| 18:25.54 | _abc_ | http://news.nationalpost.com/life/this-generation-is-well-and-truly-garbage-why-millennials-are-the-worst-according-to-a-self-hating-millennial don't believe it? Hire one. |
| 18:25.59 | _abc_ | After that, you will. |
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| 18:31.39 | jelly | !debian-offtopic |
| 18:31.46 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 18:31.47 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 18:32.40 | jhutchins | fennesz_: Everything's a file in unix. |
| 18:33.25 | diego__ | hello, I would like to ask where I can find debugging symbols for wine dlls in debian jessie-backports, I am looking for something like that (from debian wheezy): https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i386/libwine-dbg/filelist |
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| 18:33.35 | jhutchins | greycat: I would ask dondelelcaro about judd, he'd probaqbly know (if it's not him). What are you looking for? |
| 18:34.01 | jelly | jhutchins: no, judd's themill's baby. |
| 18:34.05 | greycat | Wishlist: "if a given release has multiple versions, only show the higher one, not both" |
| 18:34.06 | fennesz_ | jhutchins, can you please give me some examples . I can't understand that statement : everything is a file. |
| 18:34.29 | jelly | greycat: I think it's nice the thing exposes crap in a repo. |
| 18:35.22 | jhutchins | fennesz_: Well, /dev/sda - appears to be a file, can be treated like a file in some ways, is actually (the software handle for) your hard disk. |
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| 18:35.34 | greycat | jelly: hmm, well... maybe put an (O) next to the older one, then? Or something visual to indicate that I shouldn't STOP READING RIGHT NOW because there is another wheezy-security a couple lines later. |
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| 18:36.52 | jhutchins | fennesz_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_descriptor |
| 18:37.49 | fennesz_ | jhutchins, but is there a way I can open /dev/sda and view its contents for example? Are these files created dynamically on every boot |
| 18:37.51 | jhutchins | greycat: Maybe it could use color. |
| 18:38.10 | greycat | jhutchins: channel blocks color. It uses bold in /msg which is really helpful.... |
| 18:38.31 | TomTomTosch | or a sort by release |
| 18:38.35 | greycat | fennesz_: You can cat /dev/sda (BUT DON'T REALLY DO THAT) |
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| 18:39.06 | greycat | fennesz_: it would show you all of the disk's contents, byte by byte. In an unending torrent of raw rubbish causing your terminal to go haywire. |
| 18:39.11 | jhutchins | fennesz_: To view it's contents you have to mount the filesystem on it, or use a partition editor to see the partitions. You also have to mount an iso file in order to treat it like a disk. |
| 18:39.27 | asir | it seems that selinux default (targeted) policy isn't available right out-of-the-box on Jessie, right? is there a technical reason for that, or moving to another security model? |
| 18:39.32 | greycat | To *MAKE SENSE* of the content, instead of just seeing it, requires software. |
| 18:39.35 | jhutchins | fennesz_: On the other hand, you can write a filesystem image to a storage device with cp or dd. |
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| 18:40.27 | fennesz_ | greycat, so these "files" are opened or accessed by specific software , like ? |
| 18:40.43 | greycat | fennesz_: like parted, like fstab, like lsblk, like mount, ... |
| 18:40.51 | fennesz_ | greycat, ah ok |
| 18:40.52 | sbstn | asir: I think the default policy got release blocking bugs for jessie and got removed before release |
| 18:40.58 | greycat | err, fstab isn't a piece of software |
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| 18:41.06 | fennesz_ | please forgive my ignorance I am trying to learn |
| 18:41.19 | jhutchins | fennesz_: A raw database file wouldn't make much sense in a text editor, but interpreted by the database software it makes sense. |
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| 18:41.32 | greycat | I was thinking of fdisk |
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| 18:42.08 | jhutchins | asir: selinux pretty much needs the admin to set it up and tune it for it to work. |
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| 18:42.29 | sbstn | you could check out https://doc.coker.com.au/computers/debian-repositories/ |
| 18:42.42 | jhutchins | asir: Some distros ship it with a template that mostly works, but any customization of the system breaks it. |
| 18:42.49 | fennesz_ | So by default every program comes with the 3 file descriptors . Is there any illustration I can check . Wikipedia does not help much at this point |
| 18:43.12 | greycat | You want a picture of a circle with one line attached to the left side and two lines attached to the right? |
| 18:43.15 | greycat | You can draw that. |
| 18:43.56 | jhutchins | fennesz_: /dev/dsp = the digital signal processor of your audio chipset. |
| 18:44.13 | asir | jhutchins: it not sounds good, i'll have to implement my own module soon for an application, so you mean that i'll run in throuble |
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| 18:44.34 | jhutchins | fennesz_: /dev/ttyS1 = the serial port. You can read data from that just like from a file. |
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| 18:45.09 | jhutchins | asir: You will have to manually update the system to work with your module. |
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| 18:45.28 | jhutchins | asir: I _don't_ know details, I studied how to do it but we abandoned the project. |
| 18:45.32 | fennesz_ | jhutchins, ok I understand where you going with that. |
| 18:45.57 | sbstn | asir: you could check you Russell Coker's SELinux repository for the default policy for debian, but in any case you still need to make your own module for your app |
| 18:46.26 | jhutchins | fennesz_: You can, in some cases, treat network devices as files that can be read from and written to. You can cat data TO the serial port. |
| 18:46.46 | asir | sbstn: i'll check this out, thanks |
| 18:47.05 | sbstn | asir: if you can use apparmor instead of seliux, the apparmor packages in debian work and myself I find it more convinient to configure |
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| 18:48.33 | fennesz_ | jhutchins, so devices are files too . What about the descriptors? What do they describe ? Hope my english is not that bad :) |
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| 18:49.26 | jhutchins | fennesz_: File descriptors give you attributes that you can use to access things like data streams. It makes a LOT more sense if you're writing code. |
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| 18:50.00 | greycat | A file descriptor is an index that a program uses to refer to an open file. |
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| 18:50.35 | greycat | The kernel does all the real work, either sending the bytes out the serial port, or out the USB port, or out the SATA controller.... |
| 18:50.38 | fennesz_ | greycat, like a PID for a program ? |
| 18:50.53 | greycat | A program only has one PID, but it can have lots of FDs. |
| 18:51.09 | deego | In my apt-show-versions, I have packages such as p:i386 (from an in-place migration to 64 bit years ago). How do I move it to the amd64 version? apt-get install p:amd64 simply says: already uptodate |
| 18:51.34 | greycat | "in-place migrations" are not supported. Good luck. |
| 18:51.45 | deego | I know. So, don't support me. I'm asking others for hints. |
| 18:51.55 | mtn | heh |
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| 18:52.13 | deego | jeez, why do people speak if they have nothing to contribute? |
| 18:52.19 | greycat | What happened when you REMOVED the package that you no longer want? |
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| 18:52.29 | deego | greycat: go talk to someone else |
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| 18:52.35 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 18:52.35 | mtn | nice |
| 18:52.38 | Neo_ | hi everyone, I've got abnormaly high memory usage on a relatively idle server. I'm not sure if this is a recent event |
| 18:52.54 | greycat | !free ram |
| 18:52.54 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 18:53.33 | jhutchins | Neo: Abnormal compared to what? |
| 18:53.45 | greycat | And how did you measure this? |
| 18:53.58 | fennesz_ | jhutchins, will check with python |
| 18:54.20 | diego__ | hello, I would like to ask where I can find debugging symbols for wine dlls in debian jessie-backports, I am looking for something like that (from debian wheezy): https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i386/libwine-dbg/filelist |
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| 18:55.01 | jhutchins | fennesz_: Not sure if something like ruby or python would get low-level enough to use file descriptors, C would. |
| 18:55.09 | sbstn | deego: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO might be of some use |
| 18:55.10 | Neo | ah, I must have had a different configuration at one point with less agressive caching |
| 18:55.36 | fennesz_ | jhutchins, https://docs.python.org/2.0/lib/os-fd-ops.html |
| 18:55.45 | deego | sbstn: thanks |
| 18:56.24 | jhutchins | diego__: https://www.winehq.org/ |
| 18:56.25 | deego | sbstn: ah, I see that for each such p, apt-show-versions says I have both p:amd64 and p:i386 installed |
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| 18:57.48 | diego__ | jhutchins: my question involves packaging, I should ask here (I've already asked in wine channels and this is distribution dependent, so I have to ask here) |
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| 18:58.03 | deego | Looks like I simply need to purge the :i386 versions. Thanks again |
| 18:59.18 | sbstn | deego: it might bring up some issues, I do not know eg. what exactly happens to some configuration files which might be provided by more than 1 package and will purging also affect them |
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| 19:00.06 | plasm0duck | f |
| 19:00.10 | deego | sbstn: ah |
| 19:00.21 | _abc_ | Please suggest where I can get gtkextra-2.0 or -3.0 for wheezy. aptitude does not find it anyway |
| 19:00.24 | _abc_ | *anywhere |
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| 19:01.00 | fennesz_ | guys do you agree with the accepted answer on that post : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5256599/what-are-file-descriptors-explained-in-simple-terms |
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| 19:01.20 | deego | sbstn: glad you mentioned that. maybe i should remove instead of purging? |
| 19:02.03 | _abc_ | So there is no trace of gtkextra in debian? |
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| 19:05.48 | sbstn | deego: at least be sure your backup plan is sufficient |
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| 19:06.19 | deego | sbstn: yes, thanks, it is. and this is a fun machine :) |
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| 19:06.34 | _abc_ | So, anyone? gtkextra-2.0 or gtkextra-3.0 any way to get them on debian from .deb files? |
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| 19:07.38 | mutante | i just keep forgetting the command, but you can ask a bot in this channel to search for packages |
| 19:07.42 | deego | <_abc_> So there is no trace of gtkextra in debian? <<=== _abc_ I don't think there is, not in main |
| 19:08.08 | unborn | .. |
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| 19:08.55 | mtn | _abc_: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=gtkextra |
| 19:08.58 | unborn | users not need to tell hello or hi? just do the troubleshoot for me? is this something new in this chan? |
| 19:09.28 | module000 | mutante: /msg dpkg help |
| 19:09.34 | mtn | unborn: if you need help, just ask your question |
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| 19:10.11 | unborn | mtn thanks I appreciate your reply - Ive asked something else. |
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| 19:12.31 | unborn | _abc_: whats wrong with gtkextra-2.0? |
| 19:12.59 | unborn | oh you cannot get them i see.. |
| 19:13.07 | jmcnaught | unborn: i think it's fine to start your support question with a hello, but if everyone says hello on a separate line every time they join, it's a lot of extra noise that causes support questions to get missed. that's why we have #debian-offtopic for being social :) |
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| 19:13.30 | deego | sbstn: thanks again. I think it all worked out. I simply apt-get remove(d) *:i386. I was able to reboot, and then remove the foreign architecture as well. |
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| 19:14.58 | sbstn | deego: system booting up is a good sign, I think :) |
| 19:15.05 | jhutchins | _abc_: The components might be part of a different package in Debian, apt-file might be able to find them for you. |
| 19:15.23 | unborn | jmcnaught: I was referred to hello whoever or hello there.. my issue is this.. blah blah.. I am sorry if I feel a bit moronic.. perhaps its just me.. you know that hello or hi, would show some respect and very small love to us - all people supporting anyone else.. not need to reply, I got your point.. |
| 19:15.27 | _abc_ | They are not in debian for some reason jhutchins |
| 19:15.30 | unborn | mods jhutchins |
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| 19:15.39 | _abc_ | Built it from source for wheezy, i.e. out of deb tree. |
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| 19:17.06 | screamindynomt | ok ni need some help with getting iceweasle/firefox to work as a tor browser |
| 19:17.06 | _abc_ | 22:09 < mtn> _abc_: |
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| 19:17.30 | _abc_ | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=gtkextra -- do you see "wheezy" there? I do not. Problem solved meanwhile, thanks for trying. |
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| 19:17.40 | unborn | screamindynomt: hi, well its not that hard at all.. I guess you had tor installed already? |
| 19:18.07 | screamindynomt | yeah unborn |
| 19:18.26 | mtn | _abc_: you said get them in debian, nothing about only for wheezy. ask a better question next time. |
| 19:18.26 | jhutchins | _abc_:http://gtkextra.sourceforge.net/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40&Itemid=21 |
| 19:18.46 | unborn | screamindynomt: so the issue for you is just make your iceweasle/ff work with it? I can help you on this.. it actually takes less then minute |
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| 19:19.54 | screamindynomt | i tried setting 127.0.0.1;5090and 5190 in the manual proxy settings but it diddnt seem to work |
| 19:19.55 | AirPlanes | dpkg is like apt-get ? |
| 19:19.56 | dpkg | AirPlanes: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:20.22 | AirPlanes | wtf? |
| 19:20.32 | jhutchins | AirPlanes: Meet the channel bot. |
| 19:20.38 | AirPlanes | ok... |
| 19:20.41 | unborn | screamindynomt: perhaps you done something wrong, but never mind, lets do it.. open connection settings in your ff |
| 19:21.14 | jhutchins | AirPlanes: dpkg is the in-system package manager. apt* are tools that work with repositories to retrieve and install packages and dependencies. |
| 19:21.28 | AirPlanes | lol |
| 19:21.33 | unborn | in proxy settings > manual proxy configuration you select SOCKS host > localhost and port: 9050 |
| 19:21.37 | AirPlanes | i asked in oftc and he said i wish i knew |
| 19:21.39 | AirPlanes | jhutchins, |
| 19:21.43 | AirPlanes | thanks jhutchins |
| 19:21.51 | jhutchins | AirPlanes: dpkg is like RPM, apt* are like yum or up2date |
| 19:22.06 | unborn | save it and then change it to proxy or no proxy in your connection tab.. it should work for you screamindynomt |
| 19:22.07 | AirPlanes | im like ubuntu user that has 0 knowledge in linux |
| 19:22.17 | AirPlanes | im watching conferences hope to understand something |
| 19:22.20 | AirPlanes | debconf im watching |
| 19:22.41 | jhutchins | AirPlanes: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 19:22.54 | AirPlanes | hmm i will look at it |
| 19:22.56 | unborn | AirPlanes: Ive been using ubuntu 4 years and switching to debian was like changing chewing gum.. |
| 19:22.59 | AirPlanes | now im watching dpkg debconf |
| 19:23.14 | AirPlanes | unborn, so no difference? |
| 19:23.16 | AirPlanes | :( |
| 19:23.20 | unborn | AirPlanes: there is an app for this |
| 19:23.22 | unborn | in debian |
| 19:23.26 | AirPlanes | what app? |
| 19:23.29 | greycat | AirPlanes: dpkg is the low-level tool that actually installs and removes packages. apt, apt-get, aptitude are all higher level front-ends that tell dpkg what to do. |
| 19:23.31 | AirPlanes | I don't understand you |
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| 19:23.49 | unborn | AirPlanes: oh huge difference :) more stable, more stuff - debian is just better! |
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| 19:23.52 | AirPlanes | So both are necessary. thanks |
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| 19:24.09 | AirPlanes | if anyone is interesting im watching this now |
| 19:24.10 | AirPlanes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR7ytTT23cI |
| 19:24.18 | AirPlanes | before i watched gnuPG and i didn't understand anything |
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| 19:26.00 | unborn | AirPlanes: please get into your head one thing straight - ubuntu is like modified debian with some commercial shit on top of it.. you been told that last night - 3 times.. |
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| 19:26.10 | screamindynomt | should it be socks v or v5? |
| 19:26.20 | unborn | so - ubuntu is not necessary at all |
| 19:26.23 | screamindynomt | v4 or v5* |
| 19:26.43 | unborn | screamindynomt: v5 :) |
| 19:26.58 | unborn | sorry I thought I said this already.. |
| 19:27.03 | screamindynomt | thats where it was XD |
| 19:27.09 | unborn | screamindynomt: yeah :) |
| 19:27.25 | unborn | glad it works for you screamindynomt.. not hard at all, you see |
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| 19:27.48 | screamindynomt | no i mean thats what it was set on XD |
| 19:28.30 | unborn | screamindynomt: so switch your connection and start to use tor |
| 19:28.46 | unborn | xd - means smile in 20s? |
| 19:29.28 | screamindynomt | remote dns on or off? |
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| 19:30.09 | unborn | screamindynomt: you can install some plugin to make it easier for you.. also if you not sure if your tor is running - you can always reboot.. but remember you have to tell ff to switch connection to tor connection if you want to use it.. there are plugins for it |
| 19:30.21 | unborn | to me you looks like you are ready for it |
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| 19:30.57 | unborn | screamindynomt: anything else have to be managed via tor.. be it dns etc... |
| 19:31.06 | unborn | otherwise it would not be tor |
| 19:31.08 | unborn | :) |
| 19:31.11 | redtec | hi folks i have a problem with dell e6400 and external monitor on vga dsub connector |
| 19:31.33 | unborn | redtec: hi, i am e5440 |
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| 19:31.45 | redtec | i see |
| 19:31.52 | unborn | redtec: did you try fn+f8 couple of thimes? |
| 19:31.55 | redtec | is it problematic? |
| 19:31.56 | unborn | *times |
| 19:32.09 | unborn | nope.. it works, but you need to press those couple of times |
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| 19:32.14 | redtec | should it adjust automatically? |
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| 19:32.27 | redtec | because it is not dvi or hmdi |
| 19:32.29 | unborn | be it on docking or hdmi.. sound just works too |
| 19:32.37 | unborn | yeah |
| 19:32.40 | unborn | it does |
| 19:32.50 | redtec | i attached it direcotly over vga cable |
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| 19:32.56 | screamindynomt | yeah im on rasbian jessie, i just switched from wheezy and on wheezy i could route chromium through tor to access the deepweb, but it seems chromium dosnt work on jessie, so how exactly do i add a plugin to ff via apt-get? |
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| 19:33.16 | redtec | lol at the moment mom is watching on the small screen |
| 19:33.24 | redtec | will try again during a break |
| 19:33.31 | unborn | redtec: I did not had any issues on docking station or htmi.. did not checked vga.. but hdmi with sounds works - its awesome |
| 19:33.32 | AirPlanes | unborn, yeah ubuntu is based on debian |
| 19:33.58 | redtec | yeah but vga can be a problem i have heard |
| 19:34.03 | unborn | AirPlanes: yeah but its not debian. thats why I switch to be pure.. debian is just - my life :) |
| 19:34.26 | unborn | redtec: - try it.. hearing and seeing is different ;) |
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| 19:34.48 | redtec | i will check later |
| 19:35.00 | unborn | redtec: just confirm - vga works on me, so it should work on yours too |
| 19:35.10 | unborn | I mean I can just confirm |
| 19:35.55 | screamindynomt | yeah im on rasbian jessie, i just switched from wheezy and on wheezy i could route chromium through tor to access the deepweb, but it seems chromium dosnt work on jessie, so how exactly do i add a plugin to ff via apt-get?? |
| 19:36.35 | greycat | Why do all the raspbian people keep coming here? |
| 19:36.39 | unborn | redtec: just do couple of times fn+f8 and wait.. it does not switch instantly.. like one second.. if you via hdmi sound will not work until you went to sound settings and select output via hdmi |
| 19:36.48 | unborn | then it all works as you need it |
| 19:37.22 | unborn | greycat: perhaps there is no chan for them or perhaps they do not know.. or perhaps they been told to do so.. |
| 19:37.30 | screamindynomt | because raspbian is dead and it is just a lighter version of debian so you guys can help |
| 19:37.35 | greycat | 15:37 #raspbian 358 Raspbian -- Debian hard float for the Raspberry Pi: [...] |
| 19:37.37 | greycat | not even hard to find |
| 19:37.53 | redtec | i will try it in the soccer break and let you know |
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| 19:38.13 | unborn | screamindynomt: ah you are on pi? fuck knows then.. sorry I thought you are on pure debian.. |
| 19:38.25 | screamindynomt | i mean person has left in the last hour on raspbian |
| 19:38.30 | unborn | on pi I only works with ssh.. nothing else I need |
| 19:38.40 | screamindynomt | lol unborn i wish but my main pc died recently |
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| 19:39.18 | unborn | screamindynomt: if you would be in UK I would donate you older laptop for free |
| 19:39.45 | screamindynomt | lol i wish but i n the us : |
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| 19:40.24 | unborn | screamindynomt: if you pay postage and any tax for it, I dont mind |
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| 19:40.52 | unborn | have one unit spare.. it will be better then pi - pi are good but - they are just pi-s |
| 19:40.53 | screamindynomt | lol how much would that end up being? |
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| 19:41.23 | unborn | screamindynomt: really? you know there is google right? |
| 19:41.33 | unborn | london UK - to your city |
| 19:41.36 | unborn | simple |
| 19:42.00 | screamindynomt | well it depends on weight and size and where exactly in the uk you r |
| 19:42.12 | screamindynomt | brb |
| 19:42.12 | unborn | ..its dell laptop a bit older but debian gome runs on it swishi - whishi |
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| 19:43.48 | unborn | greycat: I feel you |
| 19:44.06 | unborn | as I said earlier.. you know how it is ;) |
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| 19:46.14 | gparent | hello fine people, I'm not very experienced with debian's packaging policies and am wondering if the 'iceweasel' package is meant to receive security updates once the transition to 'firefox' is done |
| 19:46.24 | gparent | this would be on debian 8. |
| 19:46.48 | greycat | That transition already happened. If you update, you get firefox-esr. |
| 19:47.04 | unborn | gparent: hi, it should happen asap as you update |
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| 19:47.39 | gparent | Okay, so someone who doesn't do that will cease to receive updates? |
| 19:47.39 | gparent | actually I think if I re-read your answer my question doesn't make much sense |
| 19:47.39 | gparent | I don't think there'd be another path |
| 19:47.39 | gparent | Alright, thank you. |
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| 19:48.16 | unborn | heh |
| 19:48.18 | unborn | meh |
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| 19:51.07 | T4ng10r | hi |
| 19:51.23 | T4ng10r | can you help me with mime for audio/x-wav |
| 19:51.32 | T4ng10r | can you help me with mime for audio/x-wav ? |
| 19:51.40 | screamindynomt | bak and ok not this friday i get my first paychckn at my new job would 20usd cover it ? |
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| 19:52.20 | T4ng10r | TeamViz run from console, widget with timer appears, but no ticking sound - ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/x-wav this is what I see in console |
| 19:52.22 | unborn | screamindynomt: you waht? |
| 19:52.28 | unborn | *what |
| 19:52.43 | T4ng10r | gdzie xdg-mime query default audio/x-wav -> vlc.desktop |
| 19:52.45 | screamindynomt | i get my first paycheck at my new job |
| 19:52.52 | unborn | T4ng10r: install vlc and open those kind files with it.. |
| 19:53.18 | unborn | screamindynomt: ah I see.. delivery |
| 19:53.23 | T4ng10r | why there's no sound? I mean ticking.wav is present, VLC/Mplayer and so on - are installed and play wav correctly |
| 19:53.35 | T4ng10r | but TeamViz still don't know how to play wav |
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| 19:54.21 | unborn | screamindynomt: I have no idea.. but I know if I post it anywhere in EU from UK by dhl it will cost me £24... so check dhl.. its less then kilo or one and half kilo.. do your calculations |
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| 19:55.02 | T4ng10r | how otherwise then through xdg-mime can I bind given MIME with given app? |
| 19:55.32 | screamindynomt | i figured you could ship collect so i just pay whatever the end total is on my end |
| 19:56.01 | teraflops | T4ng10r: use paplay |
| 19:56.16 | teraflops | or aplay |
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| 19:57.09 | T4ng10r | I don't have problem with which application to use |
| 19:57.26 | T4ng10r | I don't know how to correctly attach this app with audio/x-wav mime |
| 19:57.39 | teraflops | well use paplay or aplay from console then |
| 19:57.45 | unborn | screamindynomt: its just postage really |
| 19:57.46 | T4ng10r | xdg-mime on user level 'succeded' but with sudo - failed |
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| 19:58.30 | T4ng10r | TeamViz by itself tries to run sound, but fails - i want to configure system so TeamViz would know how to play wav |
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| 20:03.12 | redtec | nope |
| 20:03.15 | redtec | does not work |
| 20:03.38 | redtec | who cares will put the windows hard disk back in that works |
| 20:03.45 | redtec | thanks anyways |
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| 20:05.17 | jhutchins | People who think Windows "just works" must not do much with it. |
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| 20:25.29 | diego_ | hello, could somebody please help me understand what are the files in https://packages.debian.org/jessie/i386/libwine-dbg/filelist : I am looking for wine dlls debugging symbols (like the ones from wheezy https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i386/libwine-dbg/filelist) |
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| 20:26.57 | teraflops | T4ng10r: create e.g cliplay.desktop http://ix.io/11oV then xdg-mime default cliplay.desktop audio/wav and youre ok |
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| 20:29.11 | teraflops | T4ng10r: ah inside cliplay just http://ix.io/11oW |
| 20:30.18 | T4ng10r | I've used xfce4-mime-settings as user and root |
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| 20:30.58 | T4ng10r | in both cases - audio/x-wav existed and I attached it with aplay (xfce automaticaly created desktop entry file) |
| 20:34.29 | teraflops | ah xfce |
| 20:34.50 | teraflops | and it worked? |
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| 20:35.32 | teraflops | xfce used to use exo |
| 20:35.38 | teraflops | so exo-open I guess |
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| 20:39.21 | T4ng10r | teraflops: it work when I trigger file ie. from thunar or other file manager |
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| 20:39.45 | T4ng10r | but TeamViz is stuborn and doesn't find hander |
| 20:40.51 | teraflops | T4ng10r: I dont know xfce (xfce uses exo), I just do xmonad and what I said above works using xdg-mime/xdg-open |
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| 20:42.02 | T4ng10r | files like ~/.config/mimeapps.list are present and configured like we discussed |
| 20:42.04 | tortib | how do I insatll a GTK theme? |
| 20:42.19 | T4ng10r | I don't know where else TeamViz is looking for mime handlers |
| 20:42.54 | T4ng10r | TeamViz uses some strange Titanium framework (http://docs.appcelerator.com/platform/latest/#!/api/Titanium.Media.Sound) |
| 20:43.13 | teraflops | T4ng10r: are you sure the mime type is audio/x-wav? |
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| 20:43.42 | teraflops | T4ng10r: tried setting the same for audio/wav |
| 20:43.44 | T4ng10r | 20:40:06:989] [Ti.Host] [Information] Loaded module = tiprocess |
| 20:43.44 | T4ng10r | ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/x-wav |
| 20:43.55 | teraflops | audio/wav |
| 20:44.03 | T4ng10r | this is whay I see in logs/console when I run TeamViz from it |
| 20:44.10 | T4ng10r | so I assume it looks for this |
| 20:44.12 | T4ng10r | I'll try |
| 20:44.27 | teraflops | T4ng10r: ah |
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| 20:48.24 | jhutchins | T4ng10r: You can try right-clicking on a file of that format in your file manager, then choosing the app to handle it. THat should write it to the mime config. |
| 20:49.02 | T4ng10r | [20:48:35:814] [Ti.Host] [Information] Loaded module = tiprocess |
| 20:49.03 | T4ng10r | ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/x-wav |
| 20:49.03 | T4ng10r | [20:48:41:973] [Ti.Media.Sound] [Error] Error while playing sound: A WAV decoder plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed. |
| 20:49.03 | T4ng10r | ** Message: console message: @0: [20:48:41:973] [Ti.Media.Sound] [Error] Error while playing sound: A WAV decoder plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed. |
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| 20:49.53 | T4ng10r | sorry I flood |
| 20:50.26 | T4ng10r | http://paste.debian.net/779277/ |
| 20:50.46 | T4ng10r | this is what In whole when I run TeamViz |
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| 20:51.09 | teraflops | T4ng10r: i have no idea of that TeamViz thing, are you sure it relies on default applications |
| 20:51.16 | T4ng10r | Titanium may not have plugin - I don't knw which |
| 20:51.27 | teraflops | I mean looks like you need a plugin? |
| 20:51.49 | T4ng10r | unfortunately - I also don't know a thnig, but I like this app and want to make it work |
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| 20:52.53 | teraflops | T4ng10r: e.g if it uses gstreamer youll need the gst- stuff |
| 20:52.56 | T4ng10r | plugin i need - yet which one? on site (http://www.teamviz.com/downloads/) they refere to ubuntu packet - f you get no sound in the application, please follow the link to install ubuntu-restricted-extras |
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| 20:54.32 | T4ng10r | thsi that puzzel me is that debian on KDE with TeamViz could play ticking sound |
| 20:54.54 | teraflops | T4ng10r: no idea sorry |
| 20:55.01 | T4ng10r | and when I removed KDE to use i3 with small suport of xfce - its silent |
| 20:55.13 | T4ng10r | thank you for your help |
| 20:55.34 | teraflops | T4ng10r: well when you remove kde you remove a lot of things too |
| 20:56.09 | teraflops | also removing kde sounds problematic |
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| 20:56.50 | T4ng10r | teraflops: lets say that I purge and reinstall whole OS and started with xfce as base to move to i3 |
| 20:56.57 | teraflops | I dont know if problematic exists or I just invented it sorry |
| 20:57.09 | T4ng10r | as previously I face problems with partialy loaded/installed KDE |
| 20:58.13 | T4ng10r | i would like to see what kind of apps/packets/librariers this app requires |
| 20:58.23 | T4ng10r | ldd shows all loaded and present |
| 20:58.36 | T4ng10r | but how to identify plugins loaded at app runtime |
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| 20:59.29 | teraflops | ,v teamviz |
| 20:59.30 | judd | No package named 'teamviz' was found in amd64. |
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| 21:00.08 | T4ng10r | teamviz doesn't have official packet or installer |
| 21:00.16 | T4ng10r | i simply unpacked tar and it worked |
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| 21:00.37 | m0rd3cai | can someone help with a tftp issue? i keep getting failed - network protocol error |
| 21:01.20 | T4ng10r | puzzling - vlc-plugin-pulse : Depends: vlc-data (= 2.2.1-1~deb8u1) but 2.2.4-2 is to be installed |
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| 21:01.49 | teraflops | T4ng10r: well kde can use vlc backend |
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| 21:02.18 | teraflops | and you said it worked with kde? just guessing though |
| 21:02.30 | T4ng10r | i though about some vls plugins - like browser or pulse |
| 21:02.40 | T4ng10r | yes, iIRC |
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| 21:14.35 | vlt | Hello. We switched to Debian on the desktop recently but users complain about Icedove crashing several times a day, mainly when writing mails. When run from a terminal the last message is âSpeicherzugriffsfehlerâ (which Iâd translate to âmemory access errorâ). Any idea how to solve this? |
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| 21:16.10 | jhutchins | !localised errors |
| 21:16.11 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
| 21:16.19 | jhutchins | vlt: Just for future convenience. |
| 21:17.12 | jhutchins | vlt: I would assume you're running Jessie/8.5 and the default desktop (Gnome I think?) |
| 21:17.49 | jhutchins | kmail 3.5 is still my favorite email client. |
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| 21:18.43 | Guest1581 | hi, where are php7 dbg symbols? |
| 21:19.16 | teraflops | not in debian jessie repos, that's for sure |
| 21:19.21 | vlt | jhutchins: Yes, Debian 8.5 but MATE desktop. |
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| 21:19.48 | markybob | Guest1581: where'd you get this php7? |
| 21:20.13 | Guest1581 | markybob: stretch/main |
| 21:20.44 | markybob | Guest1581: then ask them. read /topic. this is for stable only. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:21.22 | jhutchins | vlt: THere are also claws and evolution. |
| 21:21.33 | Guest1581 | markybob: ok thanks |
| 21:21.58 | markybob | you should always read /topic. it's not hard. |
| 21:23.19 | jhutchins | ,v icedove |
| 21:23.20 | judd | Package: icedove on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 38.8.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.1.0-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.1.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:45.1.0-1~deb8u1; sid: 1:45.1.0-1; stretch: 1:45.1.0-1; experimental: 1:45.2~b1-1 |
| 21:23.56 | jhutchins | vlt: Thunderbird is back under development, they may be breaking things. I've never liked how it worked. |
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| 21:28.12 | vlt | hmm |
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| 21:33.50 | leba2 | jelly: last doubt; does ext4 have more "builtin" fstab options so it's not necessary to specify acl nor xattr for it in /etc/fstab? |
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| 21:36.13 | jhutchins | leba2: I've never found that necessary with any ext filesystem except removables. |
| 21:36.36 | jhutchins | leba2: Which are usually problems because they're NTFS or FAT. |
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| 21:41.28 | trysten | why does samba keep users and passwords seperate? |
| 21:41.44 | trysten | separate* |
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| 21:45.06 | trysten | that's not clear. why does it have a separate password system? |
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| 21:49.12 | jhutchins | trysten: As in seperate from the local users? |
| 21:49.29 | jhutchins | trysten: samba vs. linux users? |
| 21:49.31 | trysten | yes |
| 21:49.48 | jhutchins | Often it's serving a Windows userbase that has no shell access to the server. |
| 21:50.11 | trysten | so there aren't necessarily linux users to correspond? |
| 21:50.18 | jhutchins | trysten: Exactly. |
| 21:50.19 | trysten | (another poorly worded question, sorry) |
| 21:50.43 | trysten | thanks! that's really all i need to know. one last question, can i simply tell it to sync/link to the linux users? |
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| 21:50.53 | jhutchins | trysten: It's actually one of the advantages even in an all-linux environment, the user account on a desktop doesn't have to sync with the owner of the files on the server. |
| 21:51.11 | jhutchins | trysten: I believe you can, it's been a while since I set it up. |
| 21:51.31 | trysten | i will report back |
| 21:51.46 | jhutchins | trysten: You can also use winbind to authenticate to a windows server. |
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| 22:05.42 | Loeb | More progress on my screensaver crashing: It seems to happen a little bit after the screensaver loads. Also seems to happen if I switch TTYs regardless of the lockscreen state, and it DOESN'T happen if I've opened the screensaver in preview. |
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| 22:06.35 | Loeb | What is happening is I'm getting a blinking cursor on one screen and nothing on the others (they go to sleep). Switching TTYs doesn't seem to work, the prompt pops up for a frame and goes away. |
| 22:06.42 | Loeb | But I can shut down and see the shutdown process fine. |
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| 22:16.08 | sm00th | hey guys does anyone know if the cursor theme is random when installing from kde iso? |
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| 22:18.02 | trysten | Why does ln -sL <symlink>/path/to/file ignore the -L? |
| 22:18.16 | sm00th | hmm wtf my /usr/bin/plasma-desktop using 25% cpu |
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| 22:22.12 | sm00th | ok it stopped not sure why that was happeneing, maybe plasma-desktop was checking for updates? |
| 22:23.24 | sm00th | anybody know if the cursor theme is random when installing the kde iso? |
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| 22:27.55 | agent_usa | Hi guys...question...is there a list of debian-friendly laptops anywhere? |
| 22:28.48 | agent_usa | I have been able to install ubuntu on any old or new laptop...like 6 different models. I tried on a new lenovo one and no luck. |
| 22:29.04 | agent_usa | With debian that is. |
| 22:29.27 | agent_usa | Debian said something like it needed two different "non free" files. |
| 22:29.32 | trysten | newer computers are tricky because of UEFI. do you know if secure boot is enabled, agent_usa? |
| 22:29.32 | FinalX | Dell is known to be quite ok with Linux in general, they even packed it with Ubuntu for a while if I'm not mistaken; also see https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell |
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| 22:29.56 | agent_usa | Yeah I turned off secure boot...I put it in legacy mode. |
| 22:30.04 | FinalX | oh, was answering based on the first part, I'll crawl back under my rock :P |
| 22:30.16 | agent_usa | The install was working...the issues was that neither the mouse nor wifi card worked. |
| 22:30.27 | trysten | right. what messages are you getting specifically |
| 22:30.59 | TomTomTo1 | you can add the missing firmare during the install or use an iso containing non-free firmware. |
| 22:31.05 | agent_usa | Hmm well I no longer have the laptop with me but it said something like it required a certain non-free firmware and gave a file name. |
| 22:31.28 | trysten | agent_usa: you may need non-free software to get it to work. it may not be a big deal to get it, like just enabling the non-free part of the repository and installing a firmware installer. |
| 22:32.11 | agent_usa | OK I see...I was frustrated so I just returned the laptop. |
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| 22:32.35 | agent_usa | Do any of you guys have debian running on a $300 or under laptop? |
| 22:32.53 | markybob | yes |
| 22:33.20 | agent_usa | And did you have to install the non-free firmware thing? |
| 22:33.25 | rainfyre | oh heck yes |
| 22:33.31 | markybob | for wifi, yes. |
| 22:33.34 | rainfyre | oh, i meant about the under 300 dollar thing |
| 22:34.19 | rainfyre | agent_usa: you can also download a non-free image, all of my drivers were there and everything worked out of the box that way last time i instaleld |
| 22:34.24 | agent_usa | What models are you guys using? And did you have to install non free firmware? |
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| 22:35.09 | markybob | i don't see how my history matters |
| 22:35.14 | rainfyre | i've installed debian on 2 different lenovos, and 3 different dells recently. they all need non-free firmware, you probably will too unless you have a laptop with an open source wifi driver |
| 22:35.15 | agent_usa | Yeah I was excited about the "all free" thing out of principle. But I might have to compromise on that to actually have the computer "work"? |
| 22:35.35 | rainfyre | ohhhhh |
| 22:35.36 | rainfyre | no |
| 22:35.42 | rainfyre | you don't have to pay for the non free drivers |
| 22:35.56 | rainfyre | non-free doesn't mean you have to pay for them |
| 22:36.00 | agent_usa | Oh. |
| 22:36.12 | rainfyre | it means they're not "free" according to Debian's definition. |
| 22:36.27 | agent_usa | I see now. |
| 22:36.39 | agent_usa | Like closed versus open source? |
| 22:36.57 | rainfyre | exactly |
| 22:37.06 | rainfyre | but they're freely available |
| 22:38.00 | rainfyre | you add "non-free" to the end of your /etc/apt/sources.list line and apt-get update again and then apt-get install "youy_driver_pkgname" |
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| 22:38.38 | rainfyre | agent_usa: you can also download a debian image that's got the non-free repos enabled already, it's very easy for a beginner.. |
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| 22:40.43 | agent_usa | rainfyre cool, can you point me to that? |
| 22:40.57 | rainfyre | yep let me ask google |
| 22:41.08 | markybob | cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 22:41.30 | rainfyre | markybob is faster than I am :) |
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| 22:43.00 | agent_usa | Seems like these all require the network to be working to install. There's no DVD-sized full install with the non-free firmware? |
| 22:43.28 | markybob | no. but it doesnt. you can do a minimal install with it without network access |
| 22:43.44 | rainfyre | yep |
| 22:43.54 | agent_usa | Oh I see. Then I can upgrade to the full one once on the net? |
| 22:44.03 | markybob | right |
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| 22:46.08 | agent_usa | Ok I will give that a shot...thanks. |
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| 22:51.39 | agent_usa | So after I complete the mini-install what do I do to get the full install? |
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| 22:53.11 | TomTomTosch | if you use the firmware iso you will most likely be able to set the network up inside the installer. it then gives you the option to install the DE of your choice. |
| 22:54.14 | TomTomTosch | if for some reason you and up in a system without de you can just install it after setting up your connection. for that debian provides meta packages for most popular desktop envs. e.g. task-gnome-desktop |
| 22:54.57 | agent_usa | Ok Tom thanks. So task-gnome-desktop gives me all the software I get with the big 4 gb iso? |
| 22:55.00 | TomTomTosch | task-[gnome|kde|xfce|mate|lxde]-desktop |
| 22:55.57 | TomTomTosch | you were talking about a 'mini-install'. you don't need the dvd iso for that, only the 700ish MB netinst. |
| 22:56.34 | TomTomTosch | also, the firmware iso linked above is probably what you want to use. |
| 22:57.10 | markybob | 700ish is a damn large netisnt :P |
| 22:57.37 | TomTomTosch | uh, 300ish ;D |
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| 22:59.01 | agent_usa | I was gonna use this one: |
| 22:59.02 | agent_usa | firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso 2016-06-04 17:34 266M |
| 22:59.08 | agent_usa | Looks like 266 MB. |
| 22:59.16 | agent_usa | Is that the right one? |
| 22:59.17 | markybob | that's right |
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| 23:00.24 | agent_usa | And if I don't want to do the full install at the time, later I can do apt-get install task-gnome-desktop? |
| 23:00.40 | markybob | sure |
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| 23:00.59 | agent_usa | Ok thanks. |
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| 23:01.53 | trysten | soo, why is my samba.service unit masked? |
| 23:02.52 | rbern | hey all. I've beed developing "debroot" and I'm now following this: https://github.com/rbern/debroot#rebuild-non-uefi-debian-live-images-with-uefi-support in qemu/ovmf, which is very slow. Could anybody else try in a faster machine or in virtualbox that it does work to confirm that "debroot" can update a debian live non-uefi iso to a uefi compatible iso? TY |
| 23:03.37 | rbern | ATM I'm trying with live-installer persent in debian live isos and it seems to work, but it will take hours to install... |
| 23:03.44 | rbern | *present |
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| 23:04.17 | sm00th | agent_usa, you can use a cdrom install for gnome instead of dvd |
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| 23:04.17 | sm00th | thats what I did for kde had the best results with that it was like 1.5 gb |
| 23:04.17 | sm00th | or actually i think 650mb |
| 23:04.17 | sm00th | one of the two lol |
| 23:04.17 | sm00th | but does anyoen know if kde iso install has a random cursor theme? |
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| 23:06.31 | TomTomTosch | better use the firmware iso if you had problems getting your wlan to work. |
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| 23:11.56 | TomTomTosch | sm00th: pretty sure kde has a default cursor theme. what made you think it's random? |
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| 23:15.13 | TomTomTosch | should be 'breeze' with plasma 5. same as the desktop theme. |
| 23:15.27 | somiaj | !enter |
| 23:15.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 23:15.44 | rbern | omg, its working. debian-installer partitioning has auto created the ESP partition. It's working! Let's see if grub also cooperates. /me Happy :) |
| 23:15.47 | somiaj | sm00th: debhelper kicks if there are too many lines in a short period of time. Don't hit enter so often. (: |
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| 23:21.58 | posi | Any examples of how to file a good rfp? |
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| 23:23.29 | rbern | whishes to have 32GB of ram and SSD... |
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| 23:27.11 | diego_ | hello, can anybody help me understand how to use files in https://packages.debian.org/jessie/i386/libwine-dbg/filelist I think those are debug symbols for libwine (imm32.dll, ....), how can I make gdb read them? |
| 23:29.44 | trysten | do, i ran "systemctl default" and it turned off my network connection. Is this expected behavior? I'd think since it's supposed to be the default boot target that it would include bringing up the network interface. |
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| 23:31.41 | somiaj | trysten: what is the output of 'systemctl get-default' |
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| 23:32.32 | trysten | somiaj: graphical |
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| 23:32.55 | trysten | which is weird because it's headless. |
| 23:33.02 | trysten | doesn't have X |
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| 23:35.23 | sm00th | somiaj, you mean don't type so fast lol |
| 23:35.36 | sm00th | TomTomTosch, because everytime i install debian from the kde iso, the curos is a different color... |
| 23:35.44 | sm00th | *cursor |
| 23:36.19 | sm00th | TomTomTosch, is that somethign to be suspicious about? i always check the sig on the hash and check hash. |
| 23:36.27 | jgalt | I have a dell inspiron 9300 (1 GB ram, Intel Pentium M 750 / 1.86 GHz, atheros wifi that I'd like to install debian (lxde/xfce) on. what's a better choice for this machine... Wheezy or Jessie? |
| 23:36.37 | trysten | well, sm00th, you can type plenty. the bot only get's mad if you keep sending lines to the irc by pressing enter. one or two people in here might even hear a ding every time someone presses enter, so use it wisely |
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| 23:37.11 | sm00th | ok |
| 23:37.15 | trysten | jgalt: imo: jessie. it's hardly heavier, as far as i know |
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| 23:38.10 | sm00th | TomTomTosch, first time it was red second time it was yellow, 3rd time it was the default white lol, this time it was brown. |
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| 23:39.06 | sm00th | TomTomTosch, ist hat the hackers who infected my bios letting me know subversively, or is it just a random thing, like how xp user pics use to be random on install. |
| 23:39.13 | sm00th | or maybe that was hackers back then too haha. |
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| 23:39.14 | somiaj | sm00th: or hit enter so often, i.e. put your thoughts on a single line instead of having 4-5 lines in a row. |
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| 23:39.40 | sm00th | somiaj, what about this cursor issue i have, anything to address about it? |
| 23:39.47 | sm00th | somiaj, do you find it strange? |
| 23:40.27 | debidi | sm00th: your paranoia is nicely progressing my dear fellow |
| 23:40.28 | trysten | sm00th: i do find it strange. find out where the color is configured and go from there |
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| 23:40.40 | trysten | sm00th: it's definitely not 'hackers' |
| 23:40.56 | sm00th | trysten, you think its by design on the kde iso installer? |
| 23:41.01 | trysten | although, i'm pretty sure that's exactly who set my XP profile pic to some jerk on a skateboard. |
| 23:41.07 | TomTomTosch | sounds like a weird bug. |
| 23:41.08 | sm00th | trysten, would love someone to confirm lol |
| 23:41.12 | somiaj | sm00th: unsure, I don't use desktops or cursuor themes, so I wouldn't know where to look. Note sometimes stuff is loaded from $HOME as opposed to the system and due to settings from different distros (i.e. if you don't have a clean $HOME) or configs, you will get what appears to be random |
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| 23:41.32 | sm00th | trysten, oh i never got that one. I think the default was the chess pieces, but on occassion i would be diff lol. |
| 23:41.54 | trysten | sm00th: no, it randomly selects one for you. |
| 23:42.03 | trysten | #debian-offtopic i think |
| 23:42.09 | sm00th | trysten, on xp? ok I always figured that tks for confirming. |
| 23:42.16 | sm00th | trysten, what about debian kde? lol |
| 23:42.36 | sm00th | noone likes kde no more? |
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| 23:43.04 | trysten | sm00th: like i said, you need to figure out where the color is configured. try searching the internet. i don't use desktops either so my experience won't help you. |
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| 23:43.29 | sm00th | trysten, no desktops jeez, so boring... |
| 23:43.35 | sm00th | trysten, i wouldnt know where to look |
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| 23:44.37 | trysten | sm00th: google: kde cursor color. or #kde |
| 23:44.49 | sm00th | trysten, this only happens on debian though |
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| 23:45.57 | trysten | sm00th: check /usr/share/icons |
| 23:46.47 | jgalt | http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/archive/7.11.0+nonfree/multi-arch/iso-cd/firmware-7.11.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso exists.... does a similar multi-arch cd exist that is debian 8.4 instead? |
| 23:47.06 | sm00th | trysten, there is a folder called default.kde4 in there. |
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| 23:48.19 | sm00th | trysten, I know that the default for kde is oxygen, but thats not what it used on install |
| 23:48.40 | trysten | sm00th: https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/kde-workspace/kcontrol/cursortheme/index.html |
| 23:49.20 | jgalt | (looking for an i386 netinstall cd that comes with an assortment of wifi card drivers including nonfree.) |
| 23:49.37 | sm00th | trysten, that doesn't answer my question though. |
| 23:49.47 | sm00th | is there a debian-kde channel? |
| 23:49.50 | TomTomTosch | if you used the kde iso it probably did not install all packages from kde-full. maybe the one containing the theme is missing. |
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| 23:50.10 | sm00th | TomTomTosch, i think you misread. it uses a diff cursor them everytime I install it. |
| 23:50.21 | sm00th | it seems to be random. |
| 23:50.25 | somiaj | !tell jgalt about firmware images |
| 23:50.40 | sm00th | I just want to make sure its not someone messing with me. if thats paranoid so be it. but its 2016. |
| 23:50.41 | TomTomTosch | i did not misread. that part just sounds like a bug in the kde iso. |
| 23:50.45 | somiaj | jgalt: use the link the bot sent you |
| 23:51.10 | sm00th | TomTomTosch, maybe, be nice to confirm with someone else that has used a kde iso, but I guess I'm the only one lol |
| 23:51.18 | trysten | sm00th: yes, it's paranoid. we can't help you with that. if you can ask a more specific question.. |
| 23:51.42 | sm00th | trysten, I would not think you naive in the 90s, but in 2016 shame on you lol |
| 23:52.02 | trysten | other way around. |
| 23:52.05 | sm00th | its so crazy, windows keeps improving their security, while linux keeps slacking on it, more and more each year. |
| 23:52.12 | trysten | hahaha get out |
| 23:52.14 | sm00th | I find that sad for linux world. |
| 23:52.19 | sm00th | trysten, its the truth man. |
| 23:52.35 | trysten | if you want to continue this discussion please move to #debian-offtopic |
| 23:52.57 | sm00th | xp had horrible security, stepped it up tremendously with win 7, now windows 10 has some privacy issues, but privacy /= security. |
| 23:53.24 | sm00th | linux in the 90s had many maintained defensive programs. using them was encouraged, many were into security. now that is less and less each year in linux world. |
| 23:53.35 | themill | sm00th: wrong channel |
| 23:54.08 | sm00th | in the 90s i would of been called crazy to say bios could be infected. even though it was way easier back then, then it is now. (besides os access) its not longer a myth. |
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| 23:56.48 | sm00th | TomTomTosch, the live debian installers are way more bugged. |
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| 23:56.58 | sm00th | they missing kernel modules even. |
| 23:57.09 | jgalt | somiaj: thanks. link noted. |
| 23:57.33 | TomTomTosch | then don't use the live iso to install debian. |
| 23:57.47 | sm00th | TomTomTosch, ya i wouldn't recommend them for people to install from. |
| 23:57.57 | TomTomTosch | no one does. |
| 23:58.10 | sm00th | the guy here earlier said he was going to. I pm'd him not to. |
| 23:58.16 | sm00th | agent_usa |
| 23:58.26 | trysten | will only use grub-install and debootstrap |
| 23:58.28 | sm00th | i told him the cdrom iso is very small. |
| 23:58.37 | somiaj | The live images also provide two different installers. One is used from isnide the live image and just makes an image of it, the other you have to boot into, and that is more akin to the debian installer |
| 23:58.51 | sm00th | actually agent_usa was gong to use netinstall, it was someone else was gonna use a live installer. |
| 23:59.14 | sm00th | somiaj, live installer from kde also has the different colored icon everytime lol |
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| 23:59.26 | sm00th | *cursor |
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| 23:59.50 | sm00th | somiaj, but it was also missing apparmor module in the kernel among other things |
